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Horticulture/Caterpillars

Description
this is one insect that has a few different styles and is most certainly up to par in it’s fashion and very unique looks! If one does not have any history on this little fellow it would be a hard time to figure out what and where this fellow originated from.

Control

A caterpillar is the larval form of a lepidopteran (a member of the insect order comprising |butterflies and moths).

Anatomy
Caterpillars have long segmented bodies. They have six true legs on three thoracic segments, and up to four pairs of prolegs on the middle segments of the abdomen, and often a single pair of prolegs on the last abdominal segment. There are ten abdominal segments. Sawfly larvae (Hymenoptera) superficially resemble caterpillars, but can be distinguished because they have prolegs on every abdominal segment, whereas the true caterpillar does not. Another difference is that lepidopteran caterpillars have crochets or hooks on the prolegs. Thus, true caterpillars always have a few abdominal segments lacking prolegs, in some cases several, or even all segments may lack them. The geometrids, also known as inchworms or loopers, are so named because of the way they locomote, appearing to measure the earth (the word geometrid means earth-measurer in Greek); the primary reason for this unusual locomotion is the elimination of nearly all the prolegs.

Both caterpillars and sawfly larvae have soft bodies that can grow rapidly between molts, like a balloon. Only the head capsule is hardened. In caterpillars, the mandibles are tough and sharp for chewing leaves; in most adult Lepidoptera mandibles are highly reduced or soft. Behind the mandibles are the spinnerets, for manipulating silk. Another distinctive characteristic of the caterpillar is the upside down Y on the front of the head (Scoble, 1995).

Like all insects, caterpillars do not breathe through their mouths. Air enters their bodies through a series of small tubules along the sides of their thorax and abdomen. These tubules are called spiracles, and inside the body they connect together into a network of airtubes.

Caterpillars do not have very good eyesight. Rather than having fully-developed eyes they have a series of six tiny eyelets or 'stemmata' on each side of the lower portion of their head. They can probably form well focused, but poorly resolved images (Scoble, 1995). They move their heads from side to side probably as a means of aiding the resolution of objects, particularly plants. They rely on their short antennae to help them locate food. The larvae of sawflies differ from true caterpillars in this respect, as well, as they have prominent ocelli on the head capsule.

Some caterpillars are able to detect vibrations, usually at a highly specific frequency. Caterpillars of the common hook-tip moth, Drepana arcuata (Drepanoidea) produce sounds to defend their silk nests from members of their own species (Yack et al., 2001) by scraping against the leaf in a 'ritualized acoustic duel.' They detect the vibration of the leaf, not air-borne sounds. Similarly, cherry leaf rollers Caloptilia serotinella defend their rolls (Fletcher et al., 2006). Tent caterpillars can also detect vibrations at the frequency of wing beats of one of their natural enemies (Fitzgerald, 1995).

Defence
Many species of birds and animals consider caterpillars as protein rich food, and caterpillars have evolved various defences. Some caterpillars have large false eyes towards the rear of their abdomen. This is an attempt to convince predators that their back is actually their front, giving them an opportunity to escape to the 'rear' when attacked. Others have a body colouration that closely resembles their food plant, or common objects in the environment, such as bird droppings. Many feed in leaf mines, ties, or rolls. Others will use startle or intimidation, with the sudden presentation of eye spots or snake mimicry.

Some caterpillars will regurgitate acidic digestive juices at attacking enemies. Others use the skunk-like defence of producing bad smells from extrudible glands: osmeteria. More aggressive self-defence measures are taken by hairy caterpillars. These caterpillars have spiny bristles or long fine hair-like setae with detachable tips that will irritate by lodging in the skin or mucous membranes (Scoble, 1995). However, some birds, like cuckoos, will swallow even the hairiest of caterpillars. The most aggressive defenses are those of the many caterpillars that have bristles associated with venom glands, called urticating hairs, and one of these is among the most potent defensive chemicals in any animals; e.g., the defensive chemical produced by the South American silk moth genus Lonomia is an anticoagulant of such potency that it can kill a human, causing them to hemorrhage to death (see Lonomiasis; Malaque et al. 2006) This chemical is being investigated for potential medical applications (i.e., to prevent blood clotting). Most urticating hairs range in effect from mild irritation to dermatitis.

Some caterpillars eat the leaves of plants that are toxic to other animals. They are unaffected by the poison themselves, but it builds up in their system, making them highly toxic to anything that eats one of them. These toxic species, such as the Cinnabar moth (Tyria jacobaeae) caterpillars, are brightly striped or coloured in black, red and yellow—the danger colours (see aposematism).

The aim of all these aggressive defense measures is to assure that any predator that eats (or tries to eat) one of them will avoid future attempts.

Some caterpillars obtain protection by associating themselves with ants. The Lycaenid butterflies are particularly well known for this. They communicate with their ant protectors by means of vibrations as well as chemical means (Travassos and Pierce, 2000).

Behaviour

Caterpillars have rightfully been called eating machines. They eat leaves voraciously, shed their skins generally four or five times, and eventually pupate into an adult form. Caterpillars have the fastest growth rate of any animal in the world. For instance, a tobacco hornworm will increase its own weight ten thousand times in less than twenty days. One of their adaptations that enables them to eat this much is a mechanism in a specialized midgut which transports ions at a very high rate to the lumen (midgut cavity), to keep the potassium level higher in the midgut cavity than in the blood. This mechanism is not found in any vertebrates.

Caterpillars are predominantly herbivores: 99% of species feed on plants (Pierce, 1995). A few feed on detritus including the clothes moth. Of those that are predatory, most feed on eggs of other insects, aphids, scale insects, or ant larvae. Some are cannibals, and others prey on caterpillars of other species (e.g. Hawai'ian Eupithecia ). A few are parasitic on cicadas or leaf hoppers (Pierce, 1995). Some Hawai'ian caterpillars use techniques similar to spiders to hunt their prey of snails (Rubinoff and Haines, 2005).

External features of a caterpillar
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 * Head
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 * Segment
 * Thoracic legs
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title: Horticulture/Caterpillars


text:
User talk:SBJohnny/Archive 3

For older conversations see:
 * Before October, 2006), see User talk:SBJohnny/Archive 1.
 * October 1, 2006 through November 27, 2006 User talk:SBJohnny/Archive 2

Its OK
I under stand the mistake, i forgive you. and thanks for acting so quickly --Moveaway00 02:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

?new user?
User:Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Willy Phone! - nothing happened so far but? And I guess where should this be reported? -- Herby talk thyme 15:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * WK handled it -- Herby talk thyme 15:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring you
Just wanted to let you know that i'm not ignoring you, i've just been busy for the past few days. I talked to Darklama, and apparently he's been running that deletion bot that you talked about. If you would like me to take a look at it, yuo could send me a copy as well (or just tell me where to download it). See you around. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Biodiesel
Thanks for the information. Do you know if it was all copyvio. It seemed fairly original when I last saw it. I just wondered if there might be a non copyvio version somewhere in the history.

P.S. I do not doubt that the version that was deleted was copyvio. Not sure if that was clear from what I wrote above. It is easy to come off hostile when you do not have body language and tone of voice. Dolive35 14:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki query
You being the expert on transwiki'ing! I think this one got lost - Freedom of Information Act 2000 marked in July this year. Should it have happened, should I look out for this kind of stuff, and do what with it? Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 18:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * - does this make it a copyvio wherever it is? If so I'll mark it asap -- Herby  talk thyme 19:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It will be tomorrow but I'll mark it -- Herby talk thyme 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Contra Dancing
Hey Johnny,

Thanks for your help with the categorization of Contra Dance Tips and Techniques. I'm still figuring out how the wiki works. I find it confusing, but I imagine I'll figure it out eventually.

As for the article Ten Stupid Things Beginners Do to Mess Up Their Contradance Experience, I'll grant that it is a more sophisticated book than mine, complete with multiple chapters, but I believe mine is the stronger article. My article conveys essentially the same information as the other; yet it does so much more succinctly, employing a direct approach rather than the abstruse contrarian approach of instructing by telling people what not to do. If I knew how to do it, I would move my article to the fore and relegate the other to a secondary position.

But frankly, it's not that important to me. I appreciate your help and will let you know if I have further questions.

Regards,

Peter B

Block
I was only reverting the change which he'd done after your revert. Answr on the transwiki query above would be good and you'll probably have mail later :-) -- Herby talk thyme 11:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As much a case of "should it have been listed somewhere" so it was not missed? I'll look at Wsource later.  Regards -- Herby  talk thyme 11:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK looked at the cat now - guess it is another backwater that needs looking after -- Herby talk thyme 11:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, if you are going to change policy on "welcoming" folk with no edits you could let those off IRC know so they don't put their foot in it - equally DL and I both edited the template to emphasize the need for edits yesterday! -- Herby talk thyme 13:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome
OK not policy but advised practice maybe - Template_messages/User_talk_namespace and Template:Welcome tho DL & I both edited that yesterday. I reckon plenty of people register a name and never seem to use it - maybe why the advice is there? I've placed a fair few but waited until something other than their own page is edited (& they haven't vandalised anything!). -- Herby talk thyme 13:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You want to tell anyone or just edit the page (mind you I put a note about it on mirtone's talk page yesterday )? -- Herby talk thyme 13:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you doing some "real work"  - you have mails! -- Herby talk thyme 15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Checks & vandals
Rather tied up today but will do what I can. Did you get the earlier mail? I'll keep my eyes on the spam one and let you know -- Herby talk thyme 15:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope - the checkuser one (in between the two you replied to I guess!). I guess you'll force me into IRC in the end.  Agree with comments on possible user tho!  Would make a useful group - couple more I have an eye on - I'll let you know -- Herby  talk thyme 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks : Future
I want to thank you for proposing this for vfd and the care with which you debated deletion. In my opinion there is some good content on the wiki from which it comes, but it is no way suitable for Wikibooks. Thanks for the time and care you (all) put in to debating the issue. --JC (from future.wikia). 18:05, 30 November 2006 (GMT) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.100.44.184 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 30 Nov 2006  (UTC)
 * Interesting...-- Herby talk thyme 19:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Got to be worth following up tho -- Herby talk thyme 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Primary Contributors
What exactly, should I be doing to contact primary contributors and say? So I can be doing this bit of the process properly. Is leaving a message on the talk page of the book good enough? Do I leave a message on their talk page? How many contributors shoud I be trying to contact? I'm guessing frequency of edits and the last time a contributor made an edit has something to do with figuring out who the primary contributors are, however I'm not sure if thats it or if there's more to it or not. Don't want to end up trying to contact the wrong people. --dark lama  17:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Action please & gimmee the tools -- Herby talk thyme 18:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Stuff/things etc
I contributed to the help one of yours but it really is a project wide initiative - I'm sure you will see and hopefully think it has something going for it.

Sysopbot - I really am not against it but when even Derbeth asks what is going on I know you are firing from the hip . You have no idea how alike we are! Speaking of such folk feel free to nudge a 'crat to close my RfA, others have closed quicker with less votes??

Seems to have been waay less IP activity thro the night (mine). Hope all is well -- Herby talk thyme 10:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Time you showed up - morning! -- Herby talk thyme 13:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Got mail - Willy bit noted (& based on recent timings I'll look forward to the next encounter!). For contacting editors (and a "vehicle" for doing it!) check my suggestion on the help page bit (referred to above).  I've been reading up on the checkuser bit - on this wiki I'm not sure I understand quite why it is such a big deal?  No rush but hear from you about it sometime somehow - best -- Herby  talk thyme 15:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Herby asked me to come say hi to you  --The staff at Wikibooks 15:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Checkuser - feel free (of course you may find a similarity with me & the user above!, nothing else I am aware of - one IP is fixed the other dynamic if I switch the router off). That said some feedback on the "idea" of communicating would be good.  Regards -- Herby  talk thyme 18:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * PS - Checking RfA - well worth doing -- Herby talk thyme 18:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

IRC/IM
Read above first but do you just use IRC or IM as well? On IM you'd hear from me (tho another address!) -- Herby talk thyme 15:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hum
Ok I didn't sleep and its the end of a long day. I'm puzzled. You suggested we need to communicate with ordinary editors, I agree, I'm working on a list. However I don't feel we want to communicate individually but as a team so I set up the "staff" one. If no one likes it and Swift doesn't for goodness sake do a permanent block on it - it is not operating as a puppet - the password is available to anyone who wants it.

Checkuser & a previous incarnation - assuming that is what you are on about - WHAT are you on about. Both situations I was part of were not particularly pleasant and involved sockpuppets - is there any suggestion that I was part of that? I do need an answer - RfA is off -- Herby talk thyme 19:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * more - no idea about what the strange thing was - had enough - block the staff - RFA withdrawn - pissed off -- Herby talk thyme 19:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * We drink tea! OK I was tired - you wanted checkuser, no problem but admin seemed inappropriate until that was answered.  Add to that folks whinging (well thats how it looked) about the account I created to help communicate (after all I had effectively already worked on what you put in your email communicationwise).  Go figure I think is the expression!  Password will be in the mail BTW.  Playing with new toys and going to work up my acting skills -- Herby  talk thyme 11:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Help.
Could you delete this page. Alphabet/A

 * Done. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 04:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hope you are better and
Like it says + I got an query on my page -. Looks to me as tho they should be deleted as Halo has gone? Worth an eye on that one! -- Herby talk thyme 13:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * PS [Meta:WikiProject on open proxies/Tor] - block on default settings and indef? -- Herby talk thyme 13:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok - what comes up using the meta wiki link has anon unchecked (I did one again). Hear about the Halo one in due course & I'll check with DL on the one above -- Herby  talk thyme 13:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You're still not well - we are talking about the game guide pages Halo and more importantly their subs. My bad explanation too I guess -- Herby  talk thyme 13:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Cos I've not done a protection I'll do it but there are loads of sub pages - no rush at all (did I say that!) but I'm guessing they should have been deleted. I'll be nice - you're ill! -- Herby  talk thyme 13:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No idea why I'm keeping this one going! Good work on the handbook update.  Needs to deal with unblocks too!  Get to it if I can - minor emergency keeping me offline (other half is on!) -- Herby  talk thyme 20:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki talk
If you will notice, I moved the page first from Transwiki_talk: to Talk:Transwiki: so that I could revert the two distinct moves and thus move the talk page back into the Talk: namespace. Don't worry, I won't be reverting any more Transwiki talk pages. Cheers, Iamunknown 21:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Let me clarify. Originally (in June, I think) you moved Talk:MIPS Assembly to Talk:Transwiki:MIPS Assembly. Then in November, someone at meta moved it into the new Transwiki_talk: namespace. The talk page is not going to be transwikied, however. I thought it was more approppriate to have it in the Talk: namespace. So first I reverted the Talk:Transwiki:->Transwiki_talk: move, then I reverted the Talk:->Talk:Transwiki: move. Now the page is back in the Talk: namespace. Cheers, Iamunknown 21:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Just go here or here. --Iamunknown 21:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Morning
Hope you are improving - you missed one in that series Satellite Radio. Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 11:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry thought you were after stuff by the "spammer" (only going to show that folks here really do not understand the term). You probably found it anyway but User:Herbythyme/Over EL pages contains some of the choicest cuts of spam I've found so far (one day when I'm having a bad day ....)! -- Herby  talk thyme 11:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And WTF are people editing Collaboration of the Month/January 2006 voting? Rollback and protect or what? -- Herby  talk thyme 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For sure but several have done it, should it have been archived or what? Of course it does save the time if we just recycle I guess  -- Herby  talk thyme 11:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Speaking of transwiki'ing I spotted this Cookbook:Irish stew. Don't know what the procedure is? -- Herby  talk thyme 11:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK I see what has happened, even if I haven't got a clue how! When I see another I'll get you to talk me thro it - regards -- Herby  talk thyme 12:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Gee thanks! Ok I'll try it sometime -- Herby  talk thyme 12:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You have an interesting idea of "fun", remind me not to accept party invites! Are you ever on IM rather than IRC? -- Herby  talk thyme 13:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Know what you mean - but as far as I can I don't allow them around either. One of the things that brought me to WP was that I was after IM software that was not MS/AOL etc - don't they do Trillian (or similar) for macs - ok not trillian but Comparison of instant messaging clients (Adium looks ok)?
 * reset

I guess I am still a deletionist (& DON'T start me on spam) but a real reason I dropped out of the original account (now effectively pointing here) was that I seemed to be spending all my time deleting links (that kept coming back - I love the idea of blocking with far less warnings, that is so right) and not contributing positively - my aim here is to be able to offer something to the community and as I am not much of an editor I'll try for some "community"!! -- Herby talk thyme 14:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep your eye on me (mail too) - gone offline for now -- Herby talk thyme 16:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan club
Good to be recognized, thanks - tho I would have liked to block him personally! -- Herby talk thyme 18:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And the community quietly sleeps - I was playing with AWB at the time so didn't get there as fast as you -- Herby talk thyme 18:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Back briefly but just then a rather good homity pie came out of the oven and No was not an option - take it you've asked for checkuser -- Herby talk thyme 19:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No need to ask, I already checkuser'd, and blocked the source IP address for a day. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 19:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW thanks -- Herby talk thyme 19:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, my block included all IPs used by the user, so that wasn't necessary :). -- SB_Johnny | talk 21:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That assumes the attacks are all being done by the same user, and that the wiki software is able to correctly identify all the IP addresses used in the attack. When I blocked the IP address, the software didn't give me the message that "this IP was already blocked", which it normally does in such a situation. I take that to mean that the IP wasnt blocked yet. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

And the next one!
If you have a mo - check out if I cleared up properly after the earlier one - wasn't awake nor had much time. I semi protected quite a bit too which may deserve review. BTW replied to mail - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 13:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I thought you were bright - check Vandalism in prog (another mumfun one) and look at logs around that time, not sure I cleared it all and no one was around - will need checkusrering and the ip blocking for a while at least I guess. Hope to have a bit more time later - cheers -- Herby  talk thyme 13:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK - we need to work on understanding one another . While I was still not awake a user vandal did the mumfun stuff.  I blocked him half awake and reverted all stuff user admin rollback, I deleted pages and redirects left and undid moves (tho it took a couple of attempts).  However I've been an admin for less than a week remember so I guess I felt a review might be ok.  More importantly I semi protected a few templates that seem to be targeted and felt a second opinion might be good.  There you go, hope work is good - catch you later maybe - sun is shining so garden calls! -- Herby  talk thyme 14:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

dude be my friend
Wikiwarrior 14:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Reminder
Panic, you confuse me. You seem to swing radically back and forth between being a great asset to the project, and being a serious hinderance to the continued growth and improvement of the C++ book. You are now engaged in a conflict with two editors, and you need to step off.

So I repeat my earlier warning: if you engage in edit stalking, unjustified reverts, and insisting upon editorial control, you will be blocked from editing. If you don't feel you can bite your tongue (or keyboard, as it were), I strongly recommend that you simply lay back from the book, take note of the changes, and try to see where your co-authors are trying to go with it. You will not recieve any further warnings. -- SB_Johnny | talk 16:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

What now ?!?! An hindrance you must be jocking, I'm in conflict with no one I do have a different vision for the work from Darklama but we are not in conflict and have been working around it and for the other editor I just asked him to fix or complete his edit even if you don't understand the content you can read the simple cut I made from the page that is evident what resulted from his edit, and so I asked him to fix it... Left is Left if it says Left is Right the logic is flawed even you can understand this... As I said please, refrain from interfering unless anyone asks you to or you seen any violation, I know how to behave myself and I did not offend, revert or made any violation on standard policies... --Panic 17:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks & time
Now who was it that said to me "it's different her, things don't move as fast blah blah". Sub 24 hours for an answer - you're getting like me. Morning none the less (& just remember I'm at work so shouldn't be doing this! )

However I had just typed this out - Looks like not - in theory it picks up "special pages" but working on doing some cat'ing for Jim I kept getting 404s. I got around it in his case (& learn't a bit) but even if I could I don't see anything that would allow me to "look" for complete books. You could try Iamunknown who is also running it to good effect at pres. BTW do look at/edit the link in the mail I sent you. Hope the weekend is good for you, cleaning another mumfun one today, getting predictable but only took 6 mins to spot this time!

I know there was something else but I've lost it for now

All the best -- Herby talk thyme 09:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity stuff
IP going round removing the moved to wikiversity signs on some pages Department of Buddhist Studies as eg. I reverted one then followed the link on another and they don't seem to be there??

Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 13:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * no problem - I'll keep an eye -- Herby talk thyme 13:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * paranoia User:Mhumpage? -- Herby talk thyme 14:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Panic2k4 blocking
I noticed that you had blocked for two hours. As you hardly decided on doing so lightly, I wanted to mention that from what I know I think you acted correctly. Thanks for keeping an eye on this and your actions in working towards a productive community. --Swift 00:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Panic2k4 has been blocked
I have blocked you for 2 hours. Next time will be longer. You have successfully chased a fellow editor off, and whether this was intentional or not, you need to rethink your approach. -- SB_Johnny | talk 21:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with your assertion of the problem but will not discuss the problem further. I could have been more diplomatic on exposing the problems that those point edits caused or just edited the parts that made no sense, but as I thought it was a work in progress I chose to ask the user to do it for himself within a time frame so not the corrupt the content, the user did not bail because of that discussion, he said he had no time to respond to my VP on other editorial interpretation (Type Casting vs Type Conversion) on his discussion page, I even tried to help him understand how to use templates and participate on the book discussion. He was a valued asset to the book, he made some very good points that I will keep implementing, I've even asked apologies to him if my first post was in any way offensive. --Panic 02:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Katrina...
Ok. Thanks. Icelandic Hurricane 02:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job!
Social and Cultural Foundations of American Education/Chapter 7/What impacts does this have on practice? 2 is a great module. Thanks for contributing to this module and Wikibooks. Tannersf 18:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Mail
u have it -- Herby talk thyme 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

WB:OR
I did a lot of work on that page yesterday, I hope I didnt make too many mistakes! --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

C++
I don't think I can find enough time and patience to work on the C++ wikibook, whether or not Panic is blocked. I see there still aren't good policy pages on things like w:WP:OWN so it looks like there'll be similar issues for a long time (either with newcomers or with old-timers who might not accept new policy pages like w:WP:OWN. I'll try to check back sometime and see if I can contribute somehow.

The one issue I'd like to get sorted out ASAP is whether any text copied from other C++ books (whether GFDL'd or not) or Wikipedia without attribution has been fully removed (or otherwise fully attributed -- in case of GFDL). If someone is patient enough, one could look into my (not so huge) edit history to find some talk about this issue.

 * The stuff about copyvio from some book was moved out of Talk:Programming:C plus plus in this edit: . After that I don't know where it went. The archive went through a series of moves to and after that no reference to that copyvio seems to be found anywhere. -- Paddu 06:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Panic's way of working seems slightly different from what I'm used to in en.wikipedia -- he leans towards w:WP:OWN and feels if 2 contributors disagree the best thing is to fork. Hence about a year back I was contemplating writing some text on my user subpages and asking people to check if anything could be merged in (kind of giving in to his ideas), but couldn't get any further on that. There were a few more irritants like his archiving my suggestions on talk page without giving enough time for people to react (given the low traffic on wikibooks -- 2 years ago, that is). -- Paddu 06:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * See also the striking off of my comment currently at Talk:C++ Programming/Examples/Hello_world. -- Paddu 06:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the invitations, though! -- Paddu 06:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yours I guess!
How to Grow Daylilies? regards -- Herby talk thyme 08:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bot Requests
I picked a few of those links at random, and every one of them is already properly categorized. I could simply append the | tag if you want me to, but I'm not going to recategorize all those pages. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok this one is annoying me now!
User:Jmoinian - could you take a look at the contributions (!) and the talk page. I have twice asked the user to follow styles guidelines etc and twice they have done their own sweet thing. Really don't see why we have to sweep up after folks ignore the advice they are given - views?? Me - I'd speedy the lot! Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 16:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Morning & Mail -- Herby talk thyme 11:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries - getting to know what you are like . Formatted what there is and placed a bold "I will speedy anything else" message on his talk page.  Leaves us room to get nicer/nastier! -- Herby  talk thyme 14:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And back to you (mail that is!) - thanks -- Herby talk thyme 16:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Server-side programming language
I noticed your question on Darklama's talk page, and thought I'd give you my own $0.02. I would recommend learning PHP. It is a very powerful, and not-too-difficult server-side language (so no user-end stuff) that has been used to develop the MediaWiki software, many forums (InvisionBoard, for instance), and other programs. I have found it to be the easiest to install, at least on Windows. I think everything is easier to install on Macs..:\ I personally have used it, and enjoyed it. Anyways, sorry for interjecting in your convo. :\ --Iamunknown 21:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * PHP isn't terrible. Python's cleaner, if you like hygienic.  C++ isn't very friendly as a first language, to be honest.  C is worse still.  (And I like both, for expert users.)  Perl... a great tool, but tends to be messy -- but it does have a great community.  Java isn't a bad language, particularly in its latest incarnations with generics, auto-boxing, a nice for construct and assertion support.  If I had to pick one on little information, I'd say Java or Python as a way to get into programming; both can do plenty of web things, but they're much more than tools for web development.  PHP tends not to be used much outside of the web dev world. -- James Dennett 09:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I would second Python. I have personal experience with it, and have enjoyed it on all accounts. I used it for its arbitrary integer precision, as I was coding number theory at the time, and it was very intuitive. Granted, there was syntax to be learned, but not as much as in C++ or Java. And it is a scripted language, so you do not have to compile it to run your programs — but you may if you want, though I imagine that would be a stricter learning curve. The original BitTorrent client was created entirely with Python. And lots of Google's server-side software was created with it. It is very versatile. --Iamunknown 09:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Its all about preference, I don't believe a person should be cuddled when first learning a language. I think a language which lets you screw up has a better chance of teaching good habits that will stick with a person when using other languages. Languages like Python, PHP or Perl, may be quick to learn and be useful in web development, but result in not completely understand why it works or doesn't work, without some insight into whats hidden behind the curtain. I consider C or C++ a good starting place and has the advantage of being able to do anything Python, PHP and Perl can and more, since after all the interpreters for these languages are written in C. C++ makes for a nice middle ground in that you can have some of the safety that languages like Python provide, without being completely forced on a person.

Asking for people's opinion on programming languages is like religion, your asking for a war of opinions. --dark lama  19:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thursday part 2
Part 1 is in the mail!

 * 1) Phones.  Calling your cell would put back retirement a bit from here!  Landline to landline is probably cheap, will look into it?  Does that mean no to skype or similar which would be free?

 * 1) Folks.  I had noticed those two and will look more at them but I guess I basically agree for now.

Doing stuff here so probably won't be on line much till am tomorrow my time.

All the best -- Herby talk thyme 10:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

answer
on foot im not a porn vandal im just new —The preceding unsigned comment was added by wikiwarrior (talk • contribs).

 * His contribution history seems to suggest a trustworthy person (no evidence, besides the RFA of any malintent). However, I ran a checkuser on him, and his IP address was responsible for the addition of "YOU SUCK" to one page, and "i am a jew" to another page, several days before the user account was created (about 6 days, i think). Because the vandalism was before the creation of the user account, I would say this user has plausible deniability, but still should probably not be an admin. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 15:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Reference
Q: Why is the reference to 7579 on WB:RFI "silly"? --Iamunknown 20:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Q: Why is that single reference so egregious as to merit removal? Policies and tools don't have to be referenced, but they don't have to remain unreferenced. --Iamunknown 21:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I would probably of removed it myself. That bugzilla report was what made RFI possible. What purpose is served by mentioning it? What was your motivation for adding it? --dark [[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]] lama 22:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * My motivation for adding it? :D I feel like I'm being judged. Might you be thinking my actions were in bad faith? Oh well. I added it because I (foolishly/vainly/etc.-ly) hoped that it might pique users interest and get them more active in the community/bugzilla/etc. I only just discovered last week that quite a lot of activity goes on at bugzilla, and I've been on Wikimedia projects for more than a year now. I thought including a reference (I also intended to reference mailing list archives in on a couple of modules) might expedite the process for those users, so they don't have go through the drudgery I've gone through to try to catch up with everything. I think that answers both your questions; they're the same, the latter is just the first one with a mistrustful overtone. --Iamunknown 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry that it sounded like I was judging you or that my questions sounded mistrusting, that wasn't my intention. I was curious what brought it on, in case it would help any with the discussion. Perhaps your interested in pages like Mailing lists and IRC channels. I think it would be nice if such pages could be merged and include reference to bugzillia as well. Not sure if that would require discussion or not. --dark [[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]] lama 22:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * "...so egregious as to merit removal?" -- I removed it because it was cluttering the page... nothing to do with you. If we started referencing every policy page and noticeboard, they would become useless :). -- SB_Johnny | talk 22:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * egregious: extraordinary in some bad way; glaring; flagrant...that has nothing to do with me, and I'm not taking it personally. I disagree, however, that it was cluttering the page, and it seemed (to me) to add a significant piece of historical context through which the module could be understood. Specifically, if you think that a reference, which is for the date only, is useless, "silly" clutter to be removed, why not remove the date as well. It provides nothing but historical context, and is rather useless for the average contributor, and is clutters the prose. --Iamunknown 01:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Morning
You have a mail about checkuser which needs your attention. Hope all is ok -- Herby talk thyme 08:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And back - was the preamble ok & is it a "joint" one or just me!, will be around on & off today -- Herby talk thyme 11:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Which user name for yours - think it thro! -- Herby talk thyme 13:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Just use this one... the other is not a sysop account. Still trying to get them merged, so it shouldn't matter.-- SB_Johnny | talk 13:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, accept please - good luck! -- Herby talk thyme 13:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Pop in the lounge and checkout a problem I've had please - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 19:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

doubtless someone else will be along - just wasn't sure what to do - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 20:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

hiya, just wondering about the imports
Hi SBJohnny, I missed you on IRC where you mentioned: "it's a bit eerie importing your stuff by the way". Just wondering what you meant by that. I can see that it's quite a bit of work to import articles as big as some of those I've requested, but then I guess the subject I'm trying to cover in this book is huge. I'm currently focussing on the chapter on Holocaust victims, so won't request articles to be imported for a while. Cheers, WietsE 20:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks back!
Nice - actually have one very like that that the sig is modeled on. When it flowers next year I'll upload pics - not culinary but great in the rockery. And BTW I was actually weeding (my garden) when you sent it.

Other point - the guy whose contribs were bugging me earlier just placed another "offering" - policy on the hoof but is User_talk:Jmoinian ok in your view. I reckon a couple more like that and then maybe block? Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 17:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Gee - so helpful . Sadly you appear to have noticed what I'm doing too!  Starter for 10 - reflecting the work back seems ok, I'll do that a couple of times at least (none of the WP haste here).  Then an explained block I guess.  I do agree - vandalism is not always the obvious (oops next I'll mention an El policy).
 * If you haven't - get your checkuser status request in - best -- Herby talk thyme 18:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The idea - yours - was that we all should have checkuser run on us going for RFA type stuff - Derbeth "did" me and commented in the space provided. -- Herby  talk thyme 08:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok - quite a bit taken out - you are obviously having a lie in!!! Derbeth sorted most and I hoovered up some bits left (circular redirects are "interesting" to sort).  Read the checkuser bit above tho. All the best -- Herby  talk thyme 13:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

A view?
User:Bobabobabo - look at the wp page - going off line for a while now & posted to WK too -- Herby talk thyme 17:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok - I'll take a chance - blocked for a week pending review - cheers -- Herby talk thyme 18:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Kind of in hand but your view would interest me -- Herby talk thyme 19:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Proxies etc
I'll start as soon as I have some time (I take it it is NOT anon IP only block and it is indef?). As to the user I've placed a message on the blocking admin's page on WP but looking at the history I think unblocking (except to block for longer) would be a little unwise. I appreciate Wk's "clean sheet" approach but for this one I have some real doubts - in your view indef? I've asked Derbeth too.

Hope all is good with you -- Herby talk thyme 12:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Think I'll probably re-block on indef then (still takes time to get used to co-operative anarchy!). BTW can we get someone to put something on the bulletin board about the checkuser voting (iffy for us to do it - there is advertising and there is ...) - someone might watch it after the mailshot.  Thanks & regards -- Herby  talk thyme 13:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Why does it always happened to me
User:VFDBot just VfD'd a page in the gardening book and another one (which was junk)!!?? Blocked for a couple of hours, know anything? -- Herby talk thyme 14:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done let me know what it's all about in the end -- Herby talk thyme 14:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW - maybe advertising does work <g> (course you need to read RC to see it!) -- Herby talk thyme 15:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

 * FFS User talk:66.226.79.49????? -- Herby talk thyme 15:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No idea - I couldn't find a perm block template & BTW it wasn't blocked (but it is now!!) -- Herby talk thyme 15:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You gonna do the rest?
Or are you just being idle (hehe). DL noticed my error before. I'll happily do it but it won't be tonight -- Herby talk thyme 19:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Question about starting a book...
You probably don't remember me, I was one of the people who voted on your English Wikipedia RfA that failed. Anyway, I'm sort of on a Wikibreak due to some ... personal stuff, but you know how wikibreaks go. Everything always seems calmer here, so I actually fired up an account and I had a question.

Back in college, I and several graduate students and a professor were working on a series of notes for abnormal psychology -- basically, it was a primer textbook for abnormal sexual psychologies, and the clinical definitions of such. I still have most of the reference materials and chapter outlines, and I've tinkered with it since then due to my own personal interests. However, I'm not sure that it's the sort of thing that's appropiate for Wikibooks, so I wanted to ask you (since you're an admin, you should know). The quick oneline description of the book would be a primer text, stepping through explainations of the types of aberrant sexual psychologies, their common features, their broad catagories, and how they are expressed, and the relating impact on modern culture (the last part is what I've been working on.) Is this totally inappropiate? --Elaragirl 22:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

My nomination for adminship
Johnny, thank you very much for taking the time to discuss Whiteknight's nomination of me for adminship. I am afraid, as you pointed out, that I am not well versed in Wikibooks or Wikimedia policy. Thank you for pointing that out. I had not considered it. I appreciate your time and thoughtful comments. Cheers, Iamunknown 01:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Namechange, adminship,etc
I've been looking at the situation, and I think i can straighten out your name situation if you are willing to try. I think we can do the following: Once all this happens, your contributions under your current username, as well as your administrator status should be maintained. I would have to ask the stewards for help if you wanted to try and merge your two accounts instead of just having them switch places. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Rename the user account User:SB Johnny to a temporary account name (like User:Temp1).
 * 2) Rename User:SBJohnny to User:SB Johnny.
 * 3) Rename User:Temp1 to User:SBJohnny (so it stays identifiable as you).

 * I'm just worried that once SUL happens, I won't be able to rename you on a local basis. I think all renames will be global. It won't benefit you at all if that's the case. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 15:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Another dumb question...
I can't edit Template:New or any of the bookshelves aside from miscellaneous. How do I add a book I'm working on? Do I have to wait until I add more information to it? (Help files say edit the pages, but they only give me View Source links). --Elaragirl 00:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you.I'm in IRC now. :) Even more questions. --Elaragirl 00:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

GFDL copyvios
I have two questions. If you have any questions regarding my convoluted questions, please ask here. I will watch this page. Thanks, Iamunknown 01:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) By what measure is the Wikipedia article, List of Trinidadian English terms, a copyvio?
 * Because the first edit is apparently a copy-paste version of the article as it stood before being deleted. It was apparently part of an undeletion discussion that wasn't handled properly. Check out the dates on the wikibooks version and the wikipedia version and you'll see what I mean.
 * 1) Could you take a look at Psychiatry and Psychiatric Disorders? You moved Psychiatry to Psychiatric Disorders on 2006-09-02 02:33 where it stayed until 2006-09-30 23:02 when Djs2 ( talk | email | contribs ) pasted it back into Psychiatry. By my compare tool (included with WordPerfect), the second revision — the copy-and-paste revision — at Psychiatry (2006-09-30 23:02) is an exact copy to the antepenultimate revision (the penultimate and the ultimate revision are an attempt to redirect to Psychiatry and a redirect thereto, respectively) at Psychiatric Disorders save for an additional header. Wow...I sure know how to make things complicated. Basically, I wonder if you could look at the two articles to make sure I'm correct, and then, if I am, merge all the revisions except the first one at Psychiatry into Pyschiatric Disorders.
 * Actually, that page looks like a bad wikipedia dump, it's really hard to say. I'll peek into it though.
 * np. Next time 86 on the wiktionary links though please... makes it hard to read while I'm typing my response :). -- SB_Johnny | talk 02:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's a bad wikipedia dump from Clinical_depression. Any time you see masses of redlinks like that, it's probably taken from wikipedia. -- SB_Johnny | talk 02:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh my, I didn't even notice those redlinks *stupid me* that should have been obvious. Nice catch. --Iamunknown 02:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Arrr, this catch is yours, matie! :). -- SB_Johnny | talk 02:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Another one: Textbook of Psychopharmacology, pasted from (at least) Antidepressant, Benzodiazepine, Antipsychotic, Anxiolytic. And another: Textbook of Psychiatry for Medical Students, at least in part from Clinical depression. All by user 137.158.128.105. I'll post a note at his talk page. Do what you will with those modules. --Iamunknown 02:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Cold this side of the pond
And last day off before the break too.

Got the mail (& just when I was thinking you were a friend). Looks like I'll be lonely over the festive season - no one to pull a "virtual" cracker with!

You can't honestly be asking me to spam people can you - more seriously I was thinking it was going pretty well so far. An email from WK on the subject heavily mention "long time". I think there are a couple more votes in the pipeline for each of us and there are folk who are around who haven't voted yet - I think I only count 6 admin votes each so far. I have approached one or two folk individually and will do more when inspired. I also think it probably should lead in the next Gazette for mid Jan ish. If we aren't there just after that I could be persuaded to consider (grrr) spam.

BTW (& completely unrelated ;-)) not sure if you noticed User:Celestianpower's work on Spanish (user namespace at pres). Looks really good but there is a current Spanish page (details on my talk page if you want them) - I suggested approaching WK but as he is enjoying the break you may want to contact the user (I'm guessing you know the user)?

Az's thing obviously works quite well (he was playing in his sandbox earlier!). It will be good to have him on board. Bound to catch you again before the break -- Herby talk thyme 13:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Mail on way -- Herby talk thyme 13:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Bot
Fun really - running on auto at pres as Matt didn't quite give me the full info! Nice site stuff - understand. Better see what its doing <g> -- Herby talk thyme 17:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Tomorrow
Probably won't be on much as it will be a busy day for me. All good wishes for Christmas and here's to a New Year that brings health and happiness and some opportunities to continue developing our communication skills <g>. Take care -- Herby talk thyme 18:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia
I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry, but have you seen this mess? --Elaragirl 17:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Bug 8001 fixed... you can edit this page now
this page = Panic's talk page

The request for allowing blocked users to edit their own talk pages has finally been fulfilled, so if you'd like to discuss things, you can now edit this page (only this page). -- SB_Johnny | talk 16:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't check if you are monitoring my talk talk page so I moved it here and you can reply here as I'm watching this page... (or delete it you don't want to reply)

Not only the user talkpage should be write enabled to blocked users, the lobby and the voting pages should have a flag that should enable users that were blocked (but are not vandals) to participate on other discussions. --Panic 19:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Transwikiing
Hello, I wondered if you could help me? I want to transwiki a page from wikipedia Rational_choice_theory to add to Introduction to Game Theory. From reading the help on wikimedia I think I need to be an administrator to do this automatically? Is that correct? If so, do I request an admin to do it for me, or do a cut and paste job. The later seems wrong as I would lose the history. Thanks for your help. --AdRiley 12:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! --AdRiley 15:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Canvassing
I would prefer you not to include me for now. Thanks -- Herby talk thyme 14:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Hum - I know I'm impatient BUT
 * past checkuser ones that have succeeded (ex WK) have taken months - never mind the failed ones.
 * We've got to 2 0 1 votes each in 2 weeks, if we were lagging behind maybe I would worry (or withdraw) but we ain't.
 * It will go out with emphasis on the next Gazette which I feel should be out mid/late Jan.
 * I've just looked at a wp RfA involving canvassing - a not bad editor probably won't make admin cos he canvassed - folks here won't vote against but I'd prefer them to be happy with us (both!).

 * If it gets down to needing just one more - yep I'll go ask someone (& yes I've asked a couple but because they were interested anyway).

 * Obviously you are welcome to do what you wish but I would prefer not to be included - thanks -- Herby talk thyme 15:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Help!
How do you remove the links from print versions to images when you remove the link from the original source but it still shows that the image is linked there? There are alot of images ready to be deleted if this problem is solved. Tannersf 03:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

WMOG etc
While I was trawling thro I noticed there were a few pages (I think) that did not have the WMOG category on them? Do you want me to add them on the next run (I picked them up from your contributions - good job it is a fast broadband - then filtered them).

Very best wishes for 2007 and hope it brings you and your family good things (& maybe even checkuser status <g>) - regards -- Herby talk thyme 17:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * What's with the Category:WMOG project??? Should it be on all?? -- Herby talk thyme 16:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

 * THEN ANSWER MESSAGES ON YOUR TALK PAGE ffs! - will revert them -- Herby talk thyme 16:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Reverted -- Herby talk thyme 16:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW - how come it took you "hours" - don't you know anyone with a bot! -- Herby talk thyme 16:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

 * OK but - yes there are un cat'd pages and some of the cat'd pages are not alpha. Hand out instructions and it will be done - I have rv'd all that I did and will go and find someone else to play with! -- Herby  talk thyme 16:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Explained situation to partner - she laughed and said at least you know me better now!
 * reset

So... I guess I will leave it for now rather than mess up your year any more (today) but it really is very easy to deal with cats via awb if I know what I'm doing (& it was not running "auto" and I got a "popup" saying there was a message as a point of interest - won't let you work without going to it). I'll go and try and work out how you are organising it - you have a think about how I can help.

On the one below I will look out the notes but I really would like to see a "peer review" for quality thing - we may follow policy but that does not ensure quality (IMO) quite often. I guess there are some pages not cat'd and not on bookshelves that I am pleased aren't there cos they are bad! -- Herby talk thyme 17:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hum - communication
Wish I'd talked to you/you'd talk to me - RFC - was working towards a "review of book" type idea myself looking to improving the standard of offerings. I'll go think -- Herby talk thyme 16:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Dispute res was not the issue (for me, tho I understand that one) it was a "quality drive" one as far as I was concerned (last posting on Rob's page was a hint of where I might be going) - I'll go look for notes - BTW read the new one above to!!! -- Herby talk thyme 16:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Put a bit in RFC - if it isn't too off the mark will get a bit more in tomorrow -- Herby talk thyme 17:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK I'll do my own -- Herby talk thyme 17:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You removed everything I had put in - not helpful at all - for two pins I would revert your work however I look for agreement not conflict - I will work on my own project thanks -- Herby talk thyme 17:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll get mail tomorrow and answers to other stuff here or on the appropriate page(s) -- Herby talk thyme 19:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * reset

Hello
The format is Wikipedia, but it doesn't exist anywhere on it, as time progresses I'm going to fix up broken links--and other tweaks. BookManOne 20:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:206.235.249.50

Welcome to Wikibooks. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our collection. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. -- Herby talk thyme 15:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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User:SBJohnny/Sandbox4

=Naming New Pages=

(quick and simple version)

To start a new page on wikibooks, you can do one of three things.
 * First, you can add a link to the page from another wikibooks page, and when you follow that link (which will be red, and hence referred to by wikipeople as a "redlink"), and simply start editing. (See below first though!)
 * Second, you can just add the page name after the "/wiki/" which comes before any wikibooks page name, click "edit this page", and start writing. (See below first though!)

On most other wikimedia projects, you might also do it by searching for a page, and if it doesn't exist, click "edit this page". However, that doesn't work well on wikibooks, unless you're starting a brand new book.

Wikibooks differs from other wikimedia projects in that it relies heavily on subpages. A subpage on wikibooks is either a chapter or page within a book. It's important to keep this in mind when making new pages here.

Here's an example:

Say you're writing a book on Widgets. The main page of the book will just be "Widgets", which is linked to using Widgets, with the URL http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Widgets.

The main page would usually just have some introductory material and a table of contents (though sometimes it might be a book cover), and you want to add a page on manufacturing widgets. There are two ways not to do this:
 * 1) Don't start a page (or make a link to a page) called Manufacturing . This will link to a book called "Manufacturing", which might be a whole book on manufacturing, or just a redlink. You can't just use "Manufacturing" as the linked page, since someone else might come along later and try to do the same thing in a book about Gizmos, and Gizmo manufacturing might not be the same thing as Widget manufacturing.
 * 2) Don't start a page (or make a link to a page) called Manufacturing Widgets . While this doesn't cause as many problems as the first case, it does go against the naming policy.

So instead, make the new page as a subpage. If you want to create a page using a redlink, it's quite easy to do (though it can get complicated in books with sub-subpages... if you need help with that, it's best to ask on the Staff Lounge for help from more experienced users).
 * 1) To link to a subpage from the main page, use /SUBPAGENAME/, or, in our example, either /Manufacturing/ or /Manufacturing Widgets/.
 * 2) To link to a subpage from another subpage, use ../SUBPAGENAME/, or, in our example, either ../Manufacturing/ or ../Manufacturing Widgets/.
 * 3) To create a subpage using the URL method, Just add /Subpagename to the end of the book's main page URL ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Widgets /Manufacturing).

title: User:SBJohnny/Sandbox4


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Robotics/Computer Control/Control Architectures/Sense-Plan-Act

As obvious from the term, this architecture works through a cycle of Sense, Plan and Act processes. This kind of approach is useful if the sensing process is slow and the environment is quite static. For example, on a low speed processor, image processing may require lots of time to process each frame. Hence, it might not be feasible to process every frame and react to the gathered information in real-time. If we use this technique, the information will be processed at a very low frequency, providing more time for other real-time processes to run while still doing the work of planning and acting towards the goal.
 * By sensing, it means getting the required information from the available sensors and converting it to some usable form.
 * Planning refers to the use of available information from sensing phase to determine the control parameters and sequences required for various components in order to make the robot proceed towards final goal.
 * Finally, act phase is simply the implementation of the processes and sequences underlined by the planning phase.


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Robotics/Computer Control/Control Architectures/Reactive Systems

These are the simplest and one of the earliest form of control systems for robotics. Some Toys are a common example of these systems. They have a very fast response to the sensed information. However, the drawback of reactive systems is that they have to be very simple. The reactions should be simple and quick enough for the system to work in real-time. These systems have negligible amount of intelligence, but a simple and well-defined behavior. This forms the basis of a Behavior controlled architecture or the Subsumption Architecture ( Subsumption architecture ). However, it's mentioned separately from the Subsumption Architecture as it can be used independently in its simplest form to make robots with low intelligence, but high real-time requirements.


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Robotics/Computer Control/Control Architectures/Hybrid Systems

Hybrid Systems, as evident from name, are a combination of different architectures. For example, a hybrid system may make use of a Subsumption Architecture ( Subsumption architecture ) for certain dynamic requirements and a Sense-Plan-Act cycle for some other requirements in a static environment.


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User talk:Dgill222

Hello and welcome to Wikibooks!

Here are some tips to help you get started:
 * You can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~.
 * Remember to conduct any editing experiments in the sandbox.
 * If you're a Wikipedian, see Wikibooks for Wikipedians for a primer on how things work here (it's a little different).
 * If you want to base your work here on materials from Wikipedia, please use WB:RFI to bring the material over in compliance with the GFDL.
 * If you're an instructor and plan on using wikibooks for a class project, see Guidelines for class projects
 * Please say hello at the Staff Lounge with any questions or ideas.
 * Eventually, you might want to read the Manual of Style and Policies and Guidelines.
 * Please take a look at Naming policy before starting a new book.
 * Remember to maintain a Neutral point of view.
 * Explore, be bold in editing pages, and have fun!

You will find more resources in Community Portal. If you want to ask a question, visit the Study help desk, the Staff lounge, IRC channel or ask me personally on my talk page.

Good luck! -- Herby talk thyme 19:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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The Computer Revolution/Communication/Information age

The information age became more aware as the development of computers progressed. People initially questioned the idea of computers but soon realized that computers would pave the future of society and the economy. As people became aware of the practical use of computers a few individuals took much needed risks and began to explore the confines generalized of what a computer could and could not do. As computers were exploited new horizons emerged; innovations began to flourish. Ideas of mass storage and world wide communication were soon turned into reality.

As time progressed forward and knowledge of computers was solidified. Simple basic operations were surpassed with an every lying quest for more. The World Wide Web was created and the basic momentum of computers exploded exponentially as millions of people shared idea’s generating new foundations and relationships for every aspect of society as a whole. Not only had the computer become a revolution, it had laid out the very basic blue prints for a revolution of an entire world.


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Cookbook:Dirty Rice

| Cajun cuisine

Dirty rice is a traditional Cajun dish made from white rice cooked with small pieces of chicken liver or giblets, which give it a dark ("dirty") color.

Ingredients

 * 2 tablespoons chicken fat
 * 1 teaspoon black pepper
 * ½ lb (225 g) chicken gizzards (optional)
 * 2 teaspoons paprika
 * ¼ lb (110 g) pork, ground
 * 1 teaspoon dry mustard
 * 1 bay leaf
 * 1 teaspoon cumin
 * 1 yellow onion
 * ½ teaspoon thyme
 * 1½ stalks celery
 * ½ teaspoon oregano
 * ½ ea. green bell pepper
 * 2 tablespoons butter
 * 1 garlic clove
 * 2 cups pork stock
 * 1 teaspoon Tabasco sauce
 * ½ lb (225 g) chicken livers (optional)
 * 1 teaspoon salt
 * 1 cup cooked rice

Procedure

 * 1) Mince onion, bell pepper, celery and garlic.
 * 2) Grind livers and gizzards.
 * 3) Place fat, gizzards, pork and bay leaves in large heavy skillet over high heat; cook until meat is thoroughly browned, about 6 minutes, stirring occasionally.
 * 4) Stir in the onion, celery, bell pepper, garlic, Tabasco, salt, pepper, paprika, mustard, cumin, thyme, and oregano; stir thoroughly, scraping pan bottom well.
 * 5) Add the butter and stir until melted.
 * 6) Reduce heat to medium and cook about 8 minutes, stirring constantly and scraping pan bottom well.
 * 7) Add the stock or water and stir until any mixture sticking to the pan bottom comes loose; cook about 8 minutes over high heat, stirring once.
 * 8) Stir in the chicken livers and cook about 2 minutes.
 * 9) Add the rice and stir thoroughly; cover pan and turn heat to very low; cook about 5 minutes.
 * 10) Remove from heat and leave covered until rice is tender, about 10 minutes.
 * 11) Remove bay leaves and serve immediately.

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Wikijunior:Europe

Introduction - European Union - Geography of Europe  - People of Europe  - Language of Europe  - Fact File  - Wikijunior Europe PDF  - Quiz  - Further Reading

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Wikijunior:Europe/United Kingdom

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (commonly called the UK) is a country located in the north west of Europe. The United Kingdom shares a border with the Republic of Ireland and is connected by the Channel Tunnel to France. The capital city is  London. Other large cities in the United Kingdom are Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow.

The United Kingdom is split into four smaller countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

The UK was a member of the European Union from 1973, but left it in January 2020. It uses the pound as its currency.

The United Kingdom's History
The United Kingdom was created on 1 May 1707 with the union of the kingdoms of England and Scotland. Wales was part of the Kingdom of England. Although legally separate countries, they had been ruled by a common monarch since 1603. In 1800, Ireland became part of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom was the source of the Industrial Revolution which greatly increased the country's power and lead to the development of the British Empire which, at its largest, controlled nearly a quarter of the world. In 1922, the southern counties of Ireland formed the Republic of Ireland, leaving just the northern counties as part of the United Kingdom.

For many centuries the UK had an empire which was the largest the world had ever seen. This means that it controlled other countries. At some point over the past 400 years the following countries were all part of the British Empire: The USA, Canada, South Africa, Kenya, Malta, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Australia, Hong Kong and New Zealand as well as many other places. Independence was achieved for most British colonies by the 1970s. Nowadays there remain a few islands in the Pacific and Caribbean which are still British colonies.

Between the late 1960s and 1997 Northern Ireland suffered a violent conflict called The Troubles in which over 3000 people were killed in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and elsewhere in the UK. Violence between Catholics and Protestants resulted in bomb attacks, demonstrations and shootings between civilians, paramilitary groups, the Police and the British Army. Things are much more peaceful nowadays but violence does still occur occasionally.

The United Kingdom's Geography
The United Kingdom is located on two islands (Britain and Ireland) to the north-west of Europe off the shores of northern France. Only the northern sixth of Ireland is part of the UK - the remainder is the Republic of Ireland.

Large parts of England are low lying but there are upland regions (like the Lake and Peak District's) in the North, as well as mountains in Scotland and Wales. The highest mountain in the UK is Ben Nevis at 1343 metres. The north of England and Scotland also feature many lakes (termed lochs in Scotland)

Northern Ireland is in the north east of Ireland primarily centred on the UK's largest lake, Lough Neagh.

The longest river in the United Kingdom is the River Severn, which starts in North Wales, emerging into a large estuary between England and Wales.

Off the coast of the United Kingdom are a number of islands- the biggest islands are the Hebrides and Shetlands off the coast of Scotland, Anglesey off the coast of Wales and the Isle of Wight off the south coast of England. There are many cities in the United Kingdom. Each country of the United Kingdom has a capital city- London in England, Edinburgh in Scotland, Cardiff in Wales and Belfast in Northern Ireland. Most people in the UK live in towns and cities; the biggest city in the UK is London, which is home to 8 Million people. Other cities in the UK include Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Bristol in England; Cardiff and Swansea in Wales; Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness and Aberdeen in Scotland; and Belfast and Londonderry in Northern Ireland.

The Isle of Man (located between Britain and Ireland) and the Channel Islands (between England and France) are not part of the United Kingdom but are possessions of the British Crown and self-governing.

The United Kingdom's People
The United Kingdom is a country of 4 nations : England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Just about 67 million people live in the UK and more than 50 million of those live in England. English is the most spoken language but many people speak Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Cornish, Urdu and Polish (the second most spoken language) as well as many other languages.

Whilst the majority of the UK population are Christians, there are also followers of other faiths in many large cites. The UK includes Europe's second largest Jewish and Muslim populations and also large numbers of Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists. A sizable minority of the UK population are not religious.

Many Christians in England, Scotland and Wales are Protestant, although there are also many Catholic churches, especially in Northern Ireland, Liverpool and London.

In Northern Ireland around half the population are Catholic and half are Protestant.

The United Kingdom's Sights
The UK is a popular tourist destination with over 30 million foreign tourists per year. The majority of tourists visit London, Cambridge and Oxford but other cities popular with tourists include Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester, Bath and Liverpool.

Famous landmarks in the UK include Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace, Durham Cathedral, Edinburgh's Royal Mile, Ironbridge Gorge, The National Library of Wales in Cardiff. There are 28 UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the UK including Stonehenge, Blenheim Palace (a stately home and birthplace of Winston Churchill), Canterbury Cathedral and the Frontiers of the Roman Empire, on the border between England and Scotland.

The Royal Family attracts many people to the UK every year because of the large palaces and ancient customs connected with the monarchy. Many sports popular throughout the world - football, rugby, cricket and others - were created in the UK and major sporting events attract visitors from other countries. Theatre, musicals and the fact that most major museums are free-of-charge make the UK popular with cultural tourists.

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Wikijunior:Europe/Ukraine

Ukraine is the second-largest European country and the 44th largest country in the world. It's located in Eastern Europe and shares borders with Russia, Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and Belarus. The name Ukraine means in our land in Ukrainian. The capital city is Kyiv. Other big cities are Lviv, Kharkiv and Odesa. Ukraine is not part of the European Union. The currency of Ukraine is the hryvnia.

Ukraine's History
Although people have lived in Ukraine since 32,000 BCE, the country Ukraine is a fairly recent country. In the centuries before the 20th century, Ukraine was controlled by the Polish, Prussians and other groups of people. Like the majority of nations in Eastern Europe, Ukraine used to be part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) (between 1921 and 1991), or Soviet Union. Before that, Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire.

As many as 10 million people died in a famine in Ukraine and other parts of the USSR in the 1930s and over 1 million were killed during World War 2. In 1986 Ukraine (and Belarus) suffered the world's worst nuclear accident when a reactor at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Station exploded. Since the disaster, over 4,000 people have developed cancer because of the radiation from the explosion.

Ukraine became an independent country in 1991. In 2004, after protests against corrupt elections there was a revolution, known as the Orange Revolution which brought in a democratically elected government. In 2012 Ukraine and Poland hosted the Euro 2012 football competition. Large protests against the government took place from November 2013 which resulted in another revolution in February 2014. This caused Russia to invade Crimea in the south of Ukraine and local people to vote (in what might have been an unfair vote) to leave Ukraine and join Russia. Russia now treats Crimea as part of Russia but the vast majority of countries continue to recognize it as part of Ukraine. Since the 2014 revolution parts of eastern Ukraine have been involved in a violent war against the government in Kyiv with more than 10,000 people killed. Parts of eastern Ukraine and the Crimean peninsula are no longer under the control of the Ukrainian government.

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Since that time, Ukraine has been fighting a war with Russia, with many people killed and almost 4 million people have escaped to neighbouring countries.

Ukraine's Geography
Ukraine is the second-largest country in the European continent, after Russia, spanning a total area of 603,700 km2 (233,100 sq mi).

Most of Ukraine has 4 very distinct seasons with warm summers and cold winters. Rainfall occurs more often in the summer months. Ukraine has a very wide variety of animals that live throughout the country.

Most of the country is flat but there are mountains in the west. The highest mountain in Ukraine is Hora Hoverla at 2016 metres.

Ukraine's People
The population of Ukraine is around 42.4 million (excluding Crimea). Ukrainians make up 73 percent of the population and Russians make up 22 percent of the population. The official language of the country is Ukrainian. Russian is also used within the country, especially in cities and the east.

Most of the people in Ukraine are literate. Education is required for the ages 6 to 14. Most people in Ukraine are Christians - mainly Ukrainian Orthodox. There are small numbers of other Christians, Muslims and Jews living in the country.

Ukraine's Sights
Because of historical cities, a coastline on the Black Sea and its close location to Russia, Poland and Germany, Ukraine is a popular holiday destination. 20 million tourists visit Ukraine every year. It is the 8th most visited country in Europe and has become more popular in recent years because EU citizens, Canadians, Americans (USA), Japanese and South Korean tourists no longer require visas to enter the country.

The capital city of Kyiv is popular for its churches, landscapes and Soviet architecture. Lviv, in the west, is popular because of its architecture, its Polish and Jewish history and its nightlife. Odesa, on the Black Sea coast, is also popular because of its diverse culture and location.

There are 5 UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Ukraine. These include Saint-Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv and the historic centre of Lviv.

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Wikijunior:Europe/Austria

Austria is a country in Central Europe. It shares borders with Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Italy and Slovenia. The main language of Austria is German. The capital city is Vienna. Other big cities are Salzburg and Linz. Austria has been part of the European Union since 1995 and uses the Euro as its currency.

Austria's History
During history Austria has been part of Celtic, Roman, Bavarians, Slavs and Avar countries or empires. Between 1278 CE and 1914 Austria was ruled by the Habsburgs, the Austrian Royal family. The 19th century Austrian-Hungarian Empire was very powerful and covered all of today's Austria and Hungary as well as parts or all of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, Croatia, Italy and other countries. The huge number of ethnic groups in the empire created problems and in 1914 Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by a Bosnia-Serb in Sarajevo, the capital of present-day Bosnia (then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire) kicking off World War I.

After World War I the empire split up. Austria's size was reduced to more-or-less today's size and the country was forbidden to unite with Germany. Economic and political problems continued during the 1920s and 1930s and in 1938 Austria became part of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. World War II crippled Austria resulting in 260,000 military deaths, 65,000 Austrian Jews killed in the Holocaust and 140,000 other Jews fled the country. Austria was officially neutral in the years after the end of the war. Since that time Austria has became a very peaceful and economically successful country and joined the European Union in 1995.

Austria's Geography
The population of Austria is 8,205,533. The total area of Austria is 32,382 sq mi (83,870 km2).

About 3/4 of Austria is covered with mountains and because of this the climate varies greatly from one place to another. Some of Europe's highest mountains, part of the Alps, are located in Austria. The highest mountain in Austria is Großglockner at 3,797 metres. In Eastern Austria the climate is average with cold winters and warm summers. The Western part of Austria's climate changes depending on the conditions of the Atlantic Ocean. Austria is one of the countries in Europe that have the most forest land. 42 percent of the land is covered with forests. Because of this Austria has a wide variety of trees but the wildlife in Austria is scarce. Chamois, deer, and marmot are still present but the bears which used to have a large population are almost gone. Hunting is regulated to protect the remaining animals they have in the country.

Austria's People
The official Language of Austria is German. Other popular languages are Slovene, Croatian, and Hungarian. Most of the population's religion is Roman Catholic. Before World War II Austria had a very large Jewish population.

In Austria you are required to go to school from the ages of 6-15. After that you have a few choices for secondary school. You can choose to go to a school that prepares you to go to a technical college for specialized training in certain areas or you can go to a general high school and receive an education which allows you to continue on to a University.

Sights of the Country
Austria is one of the world's top tourist destinations. Austria is a great winter sports area, and has many summer music festivals and lake resorts. One of the largest tourist attractions of Austria are the Alps. Most of the tourism that comes to Austria comes from Germany. 9% of Austria's money comes from tourism and it's the 9th biggest country for tourism in the world. The cities of Vienna and Salzburg are popular with cultural visitors.

There are 9 UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Austria including one which is shared with other countries. These world important sites include the historical centres of Vienna, Salzburg, Graz and Schloss Eggenberg and Lake Neusiedl in the south-east of the country.

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