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 * Store original import directory in project so that it can be exported (by default) again to a subdirectory of the original import directory instead than the last export directory, as is the current default option (Lorenzo Martinelli - edited by Alessandra Muzzi)
 * Being able to prune unwanted languages from list of languages available (Lorenzo Martinelli)
 * Ability to set a default directory for exporting projects, selectable among: 1) The directory where the project resides; 2) The directory source files were imported from; 3) A user-specified directory. (Alessandra Muzzi)
 * Project templates that allow users to specify, once and for all, settings such as Client, Subject, Memory Database(s), Terminology Database(s), any custom settings, and possibly lexicon (saved in the template and updated each time that template is used for a project). (Alessandra Muzzi)
 * Templates for all procedures currently managed by wizards, that allow expert users to bypass the multiple wizard steps/screens by selecting the appropriate template. (Alessandra Muzzi)

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CAT-Tools/DéjàVu X/Pretranslation

 * When using the option, "Insert source text for failed portions", add option to highlight any text in the target that was not matched and has been transferred without translation. Highlighting could use font, text color, background color, italic, underlining, etc. (Steven Marzuola)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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 * The ability to set a minimum number of words for a sentence to be sent to the MDB (as in DV3). (This would eliminate the need for laborious SQL maintenance) (Marinus Strang - edited by Rob Laumen)
 * Option to use only entries from settable client and subject (levels) for assembly, pretranslation and autosearch actions. (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Support for similar kind of hierarchichal match preference behavior for client subdivisions as for subjects. (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Compound subjects, like in newer Dewey systems. (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Ability to go via language top domains, e. g. "en" for all varieties of English when working with databases (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Editable grid view for selected language pairs in the databases, same as when working with translations. (Gudmund Areskoug)

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 * Option to use only entries from settable client and subject (levels) for assembly, pretranslation and autosearch actions. (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Compound term handling, allowing for terms of the form "source1a ... source1b" > "target1a ... target1b" to be sent to TDB and assembled. (Gudmund Areskoug)
 * Not oblige us to have only one main lemma when adding terminology, so that, for example, an English, Spanish, French glossary imported into DVX will work for translating in all directions. (Timothy Barton)
 * Two column view, like in DV3, only with the option to select language domains for the columns, to see e. g. all EN, EN-US or EN-GB in source and all DE, DE-DE or DE-CH in target. (Gudmund Areskoug)

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 * Undo (Ctrl+Z) working in the Alignment Wizard. (Alessandra Muzzi)
 * Alignment: Able to align more than two languages at a time. (Johan Kok)
 * Alignment window: Find and replace function. (Johan Kok)
 * Alignment window: A button to "Close and return later". Also to remember the position. (Johan Kok)
 * An option to display the AutoSearch window when aligning files so that you can see which terms are already in the DVTDB and to avoid sending/creating duplicate DVTDB entries. (??)

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 * Results in Scan Results window ordered by relevance, i.e., exact matches shown before fuzzy matches, and then matches from same client/subject shown before those with different client/subject. (Alessandra Muzzi)
 * Option to perform memory database scans and retrieve only entries with same client/subject as the current project (preferably an option selectable on-the-fly or a shortcut different from Ctrl+S, not a permanent option in Tools > Options). (Alessandra Muzzi & Walter Weyne, a must IMHO)
 * Option to edit and delete found segments, just like in AutoSearch (Walter Weyne)
 * Option to scan in other languages in DVX WG (Walter Weyne)

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 * Add a "View row context" to the filter on selection views, to see e. g. a popup with the e. g. two or three closest rows or so in each direction for the selected row. (Gudmund Areskoug)

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 * Possibility to export the DVX client and subject lists, for example to MS Excel. (Rob Laumen)
 * a list of project data to be maintained automatically: ClientID, ProjectID; on Word count also Gross counts of segments, words, characters and codes to be added. Purpose: reference to find things in the TDB/MDB; build statistics for rates conversion. List maintenance: export to Excel and clear. (dutCHem)
 * option to import a list of abbreviations as segmentation exceptions, rather than having to enter them one by one (Walter Weyne)
 * option to use segmentation rules and exceptions for all locales of the same mother language (Walter Weyne)

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CAT-Tools/DéjàVu X/Translation

 * Toggle Case feature (SHIFT+F3) to work just as in MS Word. (Rob Laumen) Also to capitalize first letter of all words in a sentence.
 * When codes are removed with CTRL+Spacebar, the codes are not replaced by spaces. (??)
 * Translation window: In the translation window have the ability to print a line (segment). Even a selection of lines. Useful to pass to somebody to check or for later reference. (Johan Kok)

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CAT-Tools/DéjàVu X/Import Filters

 * Add filter for Transit XV files (Interleaf/Quicksilver format first, please). (Hans List)
 * Strip away trailing spaces. (Dave Turner)
 * Strip away all automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting. (Dave Turner)
 * Strip away any smart tags, language recognition tags or anything else generating trash codes. (Dave Turner)
 * No codes at the start and end of segments. (Dave Turner)

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ERP Internals/Glossary/401K

A US individual retirement plan that allows an employee to set aside tax-deferred amounts from each pay period.

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Something of value that the enterprise owns. Cash and Inventory are assets. See also Liability and Equity.

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The difference between the enterprise's assets and liabilities, the value of the enterprise. See also Asset and Liability.

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A debt owed by the enterprise. Accounts Payable is a liability. See also Asset and Equity.

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Image uploads
Hi. I noticed that you uploaded Image:Teacher yr.gif as {{PD}} on the premise that "This cartoon was taken from a free education site. No restrictions apply." Please note that, as per Image use policy, a source (in this case, a link to the website where the image was found) is necessary to verify copyright status. Also note that unless someone explicitly releases an original work into the public domain, terms such as "No restrictions apply" or "No rights reserved" indicate that the author of the work has retained copyright but allows the image to be used for any purpose, which I think is technically different than releasing a work into the public domain. --Iamunknown 01:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you, it has been removed

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Come introduce yourself at the new users page. If you have any questions, you can ask there or contact me personally. Tom_the_grate 02:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Paleontology/Vertebrate Fossils

Nearly all vertebrate fossils are represented by the bones of the deceased specimen. These can be in the form of partial or complete skeletal remains, but for many species individual bones are all that has been found. This partial evidence of a species may lead to disputes as to its classification and many are classed as /Nomen dubium/, indicaring that their relationship with other species is not known. Sometimes direct impressions such as skin, feathers or scales are left behind, usually because the sediment is fine and the fossil hasn't undergone any major changes such as compression. Other times trace fossils are left, in the form of coprolite (feces), footprints, burrows and the like.

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Cookbook:Tofu in Spiced Coconut Sauce

| Tofu

Ingredients

 * 6–8 whole cardamom pods
 * 2 tsp whole coriander seeds
 * ½ tsp whole cumin seeds
 * 1 bay leaf

 * 4 tbsp oil
 * 1–2 garlic cloves, minced
 * 1–2 large onion, chopped coarsely
 * 1 extra-firm or firm tofu block, cut into ¾-inch cubes
 * ½ cup currants
 * ½ cup sour cream
 * ½ cup 2% plain yogurt
 * 1 tbsp butter (optional)
 * ½ cup coconut milk (optional)
 * ¼ cup (or more) slivered almonds, lightly toasted
 * ⅛ cup toasted coconut threads or flakes (optional)

Procedure

 * 1) Crack open the cardamom pods. Reserve the seeds; discard the shells.
 * 2) Heat oil to quite hot but not smoking in a pan. Add spices and bay leaf. Cook until seeds crack (1–2 minutes).
 * 3) Reduce heat to medium. Add onion and garlic, then cook until tender and translucent.
 * 4) Reserve onion, garlic, spices to a side dish.
 * 5) Season tofu with salt and pepper. Fry, adding oil if needed. When tofu is heated through, sauté until lightly brown (5–8 minutes).
 * 6) Add reserved onion/spice mixture.
 * 7) Add currants and sauté for 3–5 minutes. At this point, the tofu may be cooled and chilled for re-heating the following day.
 * 8) Add sour cream, yogurt, coconut milk, and butter. Simmer until sauce has cooked down a little.
 * 9) Add toasted almonds and toasted coconut.
 * 10) Serve hot with Saffron Sweet Rice.

Notes, tips, and variations

 * When reheated, this dish tastes as well as, or better than, when freshly cooked!

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Cookbook:Sweet Rice II

Ingredients

 * 1½ cups uncooked rice
 * 1 tsp salt
 * 1 large scoop (⅛ tsp) saffron
 * ½ cup sugar (or artificial sweetener)
 * ½ cup raisins (or currants)
 * ¼–½ cup slivered almonds, toasted if desired

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 * 1) Wash rice, and transfer to a pot.
 * 2) Add enough water to cover rice with water equal to the depth of the rice.
 * 3) Add salt, saffron, sugar, and raisins.
 * 4) Cook over high heat until water disappears and steam is rising from holes in the surface of the rice.
 * 5) Reduce heat to warm. Add almonds.
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Temple of Heaven
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User talk:Xixtas/Archive

Leave me a comment.

OK - I will!

Clever!
If you put something on your talk page, no RC patroller can see you haven't been "welcomed". So I really hope you don't mind someone who has been around here far less time that you saying "Welcome". However the real reason for this was to say what a great lot of work you've done on Wikijunior - I get to see it on RC. Each time I look at pages there I think more Wikibookians could benefit from looking at how good pages should be. A pet of mine is getting alpha cat'ing right so I have done some work on Wikijunior pages in that respect and intend to do more when I get time - if I can help let me know. The proposed logo looks very good too - I've comment on the page about that. Regards -- Herby talk thyme 13:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Cat's on Wikijunior
Hi - just run thro a few more pages. It really is quite good for the boring search and replace type stuff so let me know if I can help at all. Equally if I do make mistakes please point them out - that way I learn - thanks and regards -- Herby talk thyme 19:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
I just wanted to say thanks for your support. It did mean quite a bit to me to have one or two people other than admins support me. If I can be of any assistance to you I will be happy to try and help (& I assure you I will do all I can to preserve the quality of the Wikijunior pages!). Regards -- Herby talk thyme 18:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Unstructured Wikijunior stubs
Further to my comment on the Medicine4kids page, I'd like to mention that you don't need to link to all Wikijunior pages from Wikijunior and Co. making them virtually invisible except when browsing. You could then clearly tag and categorize the Wikijunior stubs that don't have the right structure, or scope, or whatever.

Finally, I'd just like to make clear that I'm not rooting strongly for the page up for deletion. I have, however, recently seen users (unknowingly, I'm sure) disregarding policy. I've tried to put some effort into the policies and guidelines and think we need to start obeying these soon. I would be delighted to help you out setting something up for Wikijunior and make sure it fits well with current policy. --Swift 06:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please
I'd prefer it if you were to stick around some. -- Herby talk thyme 16:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * PS if you want to email me anytime you are welcome - regards -- Herby talk thyme 07:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

VfD
I saw your comment on the Medicine4kids VfD discussion. I'm sorry that you feel so dejected by it, you are a valuable member in many of the VfD discussions, and it would be bad for the project to lose you in that.

For what it is worth, I agree that this page should be deleted, and I have cast my vote accordingly. User:Swift's objections not withstanding, the general community seems to agree that this page needs to be deleted.

I hope you feel better about this, I know sometimes we all just need to take a break and blow off some steam. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 17:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment below copied from Votes for deletion --Swift 20:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

"Comment I'll not be spending any of my time working on this book. I do not currently have the energy or enthusiasm to write and shepherd any kind of Wikijunior policy. I will stay out of VfD's in the future. --xixtas 15:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)"

 * Dear Xixtas, I perfectly understand that you have limited time and energy to spend on volunteer based projects such as Wikibooks. The comment above does show a little bit of frustration (also sensed by Whiteknight). I hope don't take discussions personally and don't tire too much from constructive critisism. The VfD is, in my opinion, a place to unearth all arguments and deceide based on community consensus within the project policies and guidelines.
 * If you choose that your time would be better spent than on VfDs, I wish you all the best, but would hate to thing that the atmosphere there was what put you off. Regards, --Swift 20:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your concern. I just want to use my time where I can be most productive and do the most good for Wikijunior. It seems that that is probably in the realm of developing actual books rather than in backend discussions about policies that I really don't understand the nuances of. --xixtas 17:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Believe me - getting folk to dance on the head of a pin is not my idea of fun either. However loosing someone of your quality and experience would sadden me (yes you are on my watchlist!!).  Hope to keep seeing you around and to be able to help - regards -- Herby  talk thyme 17:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Good to hear you are sticking around and directing your efforts to the work you enjoy the most — certainly a good method to not wear yourself out. I hope you will keep at least an eye on the policy work that takes place. A special consideration with respect to Wikibooks is certainly an idea to keep in mind, but might not be something that will come up among the WB:PAG discussion regulars. Your experience and knowledge of the nuances of the Wikijunior project would be invaluable. If you ever see anything in policy that you think should be mended, I would greatly appreciate it if you would consider making a mention of it on the policy talk page (or mine, if you'd prefer) for later reference.
 * I got the impression from your VfD comment and your user page edit that you felt the community less than pleasing, and as I mentioned in my previous comment I'd hate that to be the case. Now, I may very well have completely misunderstood things (and I apologise if I have) but just in case, I'd like to urge you to feel free to take such issues to those you feel are misbehaving and give them a gentle nudge. Most people (including me) would be grateful for constructive critisism and happy to discuss how to improve the community interaction. --Swift 02:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: VfD
I want to note that I am not trying to suggest that any content be deleted that is being worked on and has a realistic chance of getting somewhere in terms of eventually becoming a book. All I was trying to point out was that books that are eternal stubs of one paragraph (roughly) and don't seem to show continued support in the future might be eventual candidates for deletion.

Still, the length of time that inactivity should be demonstrated on mere stubs ought to be very considerable, as six months or even a couple of years ought to go by first instead before content is deleted for this reason. Certainly not a matter of mere weeks.

This is not a commentary on the value of such a Wikibook project, as I think it is an entirely reasonable project that is worth spending time on, and something that the Wikibooks community ought to support in general. I do think that writing a "kids book" on medicine is something that can have practical value and is a subject that ought to be taught to children. --Rob Horning 19:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

me too
Is always welcome - sincerely thanks. 25 votes could take a bit of getting to - one of those rather strange rules. Regards -- Herby talk thyme 13:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks Newsletter, Volume 1
(Wikibooks gazette home | Discuss | Bulletin board | Subscription list)

This is a short newsletter that is being distributed to all active wikibookians. You are getting this message because you are recognized as an established contributor to the project. This newsletter will be distributed on a regular basis to help share news, information, and tips. It comes from a bot account, User:The Staff. User:The Staff is currently operated by a team of wikibooks admins, the complete list of which is available on the user page of the bot. If you would like to not receive this newletter anymore, please remove your name from the list at Active wikibookians.

The work you do at Wikibooks is greatly appreciated. However there are plenty of other opportunities for you to get involved and help us to create a thriving Wikibooks community. We are sure that there are things we can do to help you and your understanding of Wikibooks and similarly there are certainly things you could do to help Wikibooks become a better place.

We would like to ask all wikibookians to add the Bulletin Board to your watchlists. The Bulletin Board is a fast and easy way for wikibookians to communicate important news and events to the entire community. If you have important news to share with the community, you can feel free to add your own entry to that page.

If you have general questions or comments about Wikibooks, you are welcome to post a message on The Staff Lounge, a free discussion area. Your input would also be welcomed in the Votes for Deletion and Requests for Adminship discussion pages. These pages are all active discussion areas that help to shape the Wikibooks community as a whole.

Sometimes it is easy to forget that the Wikibooks community is much larger and more diverse then the people who work in a single book, or on a single bookshelf. Hopefully, together we can all make Wikibooks a better place, and a more valuable educational resource.

The Staff 04:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Your user page
Take a look! All the best -- Herby talk thyme 13:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

dmoz etc
Thanks - very interesting info. Looking forward to the new contributions - I confess I hadn't particular spotted a drop in editing just that I think your considerable work goes unrecognised. I was a user of dmoz long before I found wikipedia. Under a previous name on wp I was a bit of a spam fighter. A favourite approach was "lets remove the current links and put in a relevant dmoz one" - the more they objected the more you knew they were spammers! There are a couple of pages here I am itching to deal with but I'm trying to be less grumpy . Should you ever get the urge I would be very happy to nominate you as an admin BTW, Wikijunior could use a regular admin (I know Rob is around as well) - I could bore you with the pros and cons but you know where I am. Regards -- Herby talk thyme 12:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Some wiki articles are dire. My favourite bad one here Blender 3D/Tutorial Links List.  I have no idea what use this is, I'm sure many of the links are likely to be dead and where would you start - I'll do it one day.
 * "privileges" (tho I would see them as mere tools - no idea what the fuss is about, some should be with competent editors anyway, anything is reversible). Deletion is the obvious one if only unwanted redirects and stuff.  I guess the odd newbie test as well maybe. If you get the urge ...!!
 * BTW Dylan works well for me too (Neil Young??) best -- Herby talk thyme 13:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wishes!
Good ones for you and those you care about for 2007 - regards -- Herby talk thyme 17:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Naming stuff
Hi - Wikijunior What can you use maths for? - cos you are the expert!! Should this one be called "Wikijunior:What can you use maths for?" etc? I saw a new page the other day and queried it (got no response) and just noticed the whole book is so named. Thanks and regards -- Herby talk thyme 13:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ho hum - I really cannot explain this - fried brain - one of those days. I'd love a valid excuse - I haven't got one.  Thanks for the patient reply and I think a quasi WJ namespace makes sense.  Best wishes -- Herby  talk thyme 10:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration
One thing I want to mention privately to you is that I don't think you necessarily have to be an administrator in order to get involved with arbitration "cases". Frankly at this point, I think Panic is fighting an uphill battle and he knows it. This is not to say that SB Johnny necessarily was correct to have blocked Panic, even though he thinks he was completely in the best position to make that assumption. Unfortunately, I think it turned him into a belligerant party instead of being a mediator.

One thing I can use is some help doing a little legwork. This is apparently an issue that has gone over several months and has driven away a few people who may have made a bit of a positive difference to Wikibooks. While Johnny was inclined to do a user block, he didn't feel that he needed to revert the changes afterward done by Panic. That seems a bit curious to me and is something that I'm trying to get some background information about this whole mess.

If you can find some edits or very heated words that seem to be very much out of order in the C++ Programming Wikibooks, it would be appreciated. Things like the page move logs don't seem to give me enough information to base any significant decisions that Panic is really causing any substantial problems.

If/when we decide to create an arbitration committee, I don't believe your status as an administrator should have any bearing on wheither you are able to be a part of that committee or not. --Rob Horning 00:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Bot time
No problem at all. It will be tomorrow as I "keep" the bot at home - work might suffer otherwise (!) and equally (being of a suspicious nature) the less places I have software installed that I don't want the better (it uses .NET). Let me know if there is any other WJ cleanup/category work you want done - I'll probably run it for typos generally). Regards -- Herby  talk thyme
 * Did some cleaning but in the absence of instruction/prepared category didn't place categories on Bugs pages. If you wet one up and let me know I'll do it in one hit with pleasure - thanks and regards -- Herby  talk thyme 16:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikibooks talk:Arbitration/Panic2k4 vs. SBJohnny
Edits here - all valid & worthwhile comments in my opinion, thanks -- Herby talk thyme 18:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Animal Alphabet
I would like to applaud you for producing brilliant illustrations used in Animal Alphabet. Though I have one inquiry. Animal Alphabet was initially intended to be read by parents to their toddlers and Wikijunior states it makes books for the ages 8 - 11. I would like a consensus on where Animal Alphabet should be kept, either on Wikijunior (If the age range is changed) or Wikitoddler. Regards --Herraotic 22:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The fact that it hasn't moved from Wikijunior to Wikitoddler could be considered approriate consensus. User:Iamunknown 22:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Isn’t it correct that books with a similar intention be merged? In this case, two projects with different objectives are producing a similar book. This is why I’m proposing to Xixtas that one book be merged into another where it would be suitably kept. --Herraotic 22:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Some think that books containing similar content should automatically be merged. Others don't. I subscribe to the latter view. And that doesn't mean that I think that two similar books should never be merged, but I don't think that it should be assumed that because they have similar content they should be merged. (BTW Xixtas, sorry for starting a convo on your talk page that does not yet even involve you. I noticed the topic on recent changes and wanted to pop in. I know that some people get peeved when this sort of convo happens, and I don't intend to annoy you.) User:Iamunknown 22:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I have no problem with conversation here, but thank you for being so considerate. --xixtas 01:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I've kind of started to feel (after reading everything that I could about wikijunior here and on meta and in mailing list discussions etc.) that wikijunior doesn't even really exist as a project separate from wikibooks. It's really whatever _we_ (meaning the larger wikibooks community) want to make it at this point because no-one outside of wikibooks seems to give a hoot about it. Whatever it was originally supposed to be seems to have fallen by the wayside. I think if we want to put up books for toddlers or older kids and there are people here who want to write them, we can do that in wikijunior. There's no reason to put together a whole new namespace or pseudo-namespace for them.

 * I didn't know what wikitoddler was or that there was another animal alphabet book proposed when I started working on this one (more than a month ago) or when I started putting it up a week ago. I still don't know what wikitoddler is really. I guess I would have expected such a project to be at least mentioned on the talk page at wikijunior. All that said, I'm amenable to whatever the community wants to do with it. I'm not sure that merging the two books is a great idea, but I will let others decide as I'm too close to the situation. I built the book for my niece as a birthday gift and now I'm donating it to wikibooks.

 * BTW, where was the wikitoddler namespace discussed? I must have missed it. --xixtas 01:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I weren't aware of Wikijunior's current state and apologise for not contacting you as I irresponsibly only discussed Wikitoddler on IRC. Wikitoddler essentially originated from my presumption that Wikijunior's age scope could not be expanded and my unease with discussing the issue at Wikimedia Meta. As I see you to be a prominent editor at Wikijunior, I would like to discuss if the target age could be broadened. --Herraotic 18:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I have commented twice at the Animal Alphabet discussion. --Herraotic 21:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Bot run
OK - did one today -hopefully got it right. Do you want the "Category:Wikijunior The Natural World" on other pages as well as Bugs - let me know. -- Herby talk thyme 15:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Given my earlier dealings with you I thought I might have had a response to some queries I have placed on your page about bot use on Wikijunior. I do hope that I have not annoyed or offended you in any way - it is not in my nature to be at odds with others and I prefer people to be open with me. -- Herby  talk thyme 12:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Help requests
It exists - WB:AN But read everything thro properly now! Yes the request for help page (well signposted for folk) is a good idea including bot requests - I'll talk to Whiteknight about it, AFAIK we are the only legit active bots. Thanks for the thought -- Herby talk thyme 12:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Community
I'd love to hear your complaints about community decisions here over at my talk page. Unfortunately any objections you had to what the arbitration proceedings were becoming came a bit too late and I wish you voiced them before action was taken. As User:Darklama stated, admins are certainly not the entire community here, we just happen to be quite active and thus play large roles in decisions. That's not how it has to be though! I simply want to keep your faith in the administrative staff here, especially since you are not a sysop yet are a definite member of the Wikibooks community. So far you are the first user (besides the obviously involved parties) to express disapproval of the arbitration ending. I too had no part in it until the end and would like to hear a little about what others think of the process. Of course the action will not be undone but it's great to learn from this and avoid the need for such strong action in the future. Thanks. -within focus 00:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I certainly agree that the ending delivered was the inevitable. A quick response to your points:

 * 1) I personally had nothing to do with IRC and gathered all evidence over several weeks of the process beginning, continuing, and stagnating. I've used IRC twice in my entire time here, the second time being just yesterday after I made a decision and thought people might want to chat about it. Numerous user postings around the site evolved this opinion apart from two e-mails I received on the subject. All discussion to show the damage is available around the site and by how I rendered my decision. I could clearly see the discontent and sadness here.
 * 2) Uncivil behavior continued from the last block (and before of course) and throughout the attempt at arbitration. Panic rarely if ever acknowledged anything he did could even be slightly inappropriate and tried to soapbox himself around policy. He continued to attack basic facts and was essentially impossible to work with.
 * 3) Perhaps you see some of the actions of the "other side" as going unnoticed, but again I think it goes back to civility where Panic would not have stopped what he was doing without being forced through a block. Johnny tried to contain the situation to the best of his ability and it's amazing he's even continuing to edit here after all the abuse he's taken over trying to defend a book from Panic's page moves, reverts, and comments to new users.
 * 4) This was much, much more than a block appeal. This process was a full analysis of all previous actions and meant to be a final solution. Some users suggested that Panic be blocked infinitely due to his constant disrespect. I was somewhat brief with the write-up of my decision since I believed the reasons were quite well known from reading the past history of the arbitration process. Numerous rule-breaking instances occurred for several months previous to this action. I apologize if you were not as informed as I felt the community was with the previous arbitration steps. All the documentation for these blocks and the many offenses Panic committed are in the "plaintiff" remarks.
 * 5) Again, many of us did discuss this publicly and wanted an end. The arbitration process was not agreed to by the community in the first place and I saw the community eroding before me with the stagnated arbitration. I chose to act in order to hopefully keep several users from leaving here, even if it meant that one user needed to have some time off to reassess his attitude. The six-month block is meant to be a time of healing, both for the C++ book and for the users affected. This time period will also let users reflect on their past actions and better themselves for the future. Whiteknight also laid out some terms he wants all to abide by, including keeping conflict out of the C++ book and keeping Johnny and Panic separated for the rest of their work here at Wikibooks.

 * Not so short now that I've typed it, but I feel I've answered the issues appropriately enough. After this I plan on going back to business as usual here, welcoming back or trying to coerce back some of the users that have left here because of this and repair the damages all these arguments have created. -within focus 04:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Post-arbitration-decision "coaching"
Considering all the troubles that have come out of the final decision about Panic, I've decided to get involved again to see if there's a way of re-integrating him into the community. My approach will be to engage in calm dialog with him, as a "coach". You can see the beginning of this here. My intent is to get to a point where he makes it clear that he (1) understands the problem, (2) will try to avoid the problem in the future, (3) will make a commitment to not getting into trouble again, and (4) will understand that we will prevent him from causing further problems. I've made a more formal proposal of this on Matt's talk page, since he is de facto the current arbitrator, and therefore the person in charge.

I must ask you to stay out of this for now (especially during the first step), unless you feel that I'm being horribly unfair. Panic needs to focus on this first point, and having more than one person to talk to will (in my opinion) just spur him into playing us off one another. He needs to look at his own behavior in an objective way, and I'm going to do my best to help him in that task.

I should point out now that while step 4 might seem harsh and threatening, it's meant to be the opposite. If further blocks are performed, I'd like these to be "time outs", rather than punitive measures... little breaks where he is given time to rethink and explain. I know this guy a bit now, and I know he likes to see how far he can push any envelope. The point is to allow no games. I strongly suggest that his block be considered indefinite until he agrees to get along, and that he should not be threatened with an infinite block unless he really games this system.

This might be a wasted effort, but it's worth a shot. I'm asking for your support. -- SB_Johnny | talk 22:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Attacked
Could you please tell me where I mentioned that I was attacked? Perhaps a better word could have been used, but this was an addressable situation and then as soon as I performed an action people came out of nowhere. -within focus 13:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I certainly am being attacked about supposedly being an inappropriate admin on the matter. Your dissatisfaction with the process is different from objections to the block, but if they mix together to you, then yes I feel that respect for me has been lowered and my reputation tarnished due to others' comments even when I felt there was plenty of time to discuss this issue before my actions. -within focus 14:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your "defense"
You have been an island of sanity in the whole discussion about Panic and what should be done.

In many ways I wish I had maintained a little more composure, but I also felt (perhaps improperly) threatend and personally attacked. I certainly was not happy with the final result of the arbitration, and felt that a more reasoned decision could have been made by somebody who didn't seem to have as much of an axe to grind.

What is awsome here is that we seem to have a fairly good diversity of administrators on Wikibooks, where the actions of one or even a group of them can be undone if somebody goes too far, as was done here. To me, this is an incredible milestone, and something that perhaps in another context would really be a cause for celebration. The Wiki concept really does work! I need to put more faith in that larger Wikibooks community than I have so far.

Wikibooks indeed has matured and turned into a very healthy project. There will be ups and downs over the next several months and years, and this whole episode will eventually (probably later than sooner) be forgotten and be left as a historical footnote. There are some exciting things that are happening here on Wikibooks, and I want to be a part of them. I also want to get back to what I came here for: To write some really cool textbooks that can transfer some of the knowledge I have and be useful to many other people. --Rob Horning 23:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

A Sea Change
archived from User Talk:Panic2k4 I have some questions for you. "Full fathom five thy father lies: Of his bones are coral made: Those are pearls that were his eyes: Nothing of him that doth fade But doth suffer a sea-change Into something rich and strange." -- William Shakespeare A man drowned in violent tempest has become beautiful in death. I wonder whether the sea has changed you.

"We cannot become what we need to be by remaining what we are." -- Max Dupree I believe it is necessary to find change within ourselves to accomplish great things.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -- Attributed to Albert Einstein'' Past results in this situation have not been very good. I think that everyone wants different results in the future. Only you have the power to change the outcome here. Argument and disagreement are only healthy in moderate doses. Continuous argument damages all of our goals.

"Identity would seem to be the garment with which one covers the nakedness of the self, in which case, it is best that the garment be loose, a little like the robes of the desert, through which one's nakedness can always be felt, and, sometimes, discerned. This trust in one's nakedness is all that gives one the power to change one's robes." -- James Arthur Baldwin One can be true to oneself and still change. In fact, it is the presence of a strong self that makes the change possible.

So... My question for you is, how has the sea changed you? What will you do to move the situation forward? What garments will you wear? How will you begin to achieve different results than you have in the past? -- xixtas talk 04:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Lol, very cool, You will have to give me some time to get you a proper response on a similar level of excellency. :) --Panic 04:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Forget not yet the tried intent
 * Of such a truth as I have meant
 * My great travail so gladly spent
 * Forget not yet.

 * Forget not yet when first began
 * The weary life ye knew, since whan
 * The suit, the service, none tell can,
 * Forget not yet.

 * Forget not yet the great assays,
 * The cruel wrongs, the scornful ways,
 * The painful patience in denays
 * Forget not yet.

 * Forget not yet, forget not this,
 * How long ago hath been, and is,
 * The mind that never means amiss;
 * Forget not yet.

 * Forget not yet thine own approved,
 * The which so long hath thee so loved,
 * Whose steadfast faith yet never moved,
 * Forget not this. - Forget Not Yet a poem by Thomas Wyatt

 * Washed in the blood of the brave and the blooming,
 * Snatched from the altars of insolent foes,
 * Burning with star-fires, but never consuming,
 * Flash its broad ribbons of lily and rose.

 * Vainly the prophets of Baal would rend it,
 * Vainly his worshippers pray for its fall;
 * Thousands have died for it, millions defend it,
 * Emblem of justice and mercy to all;

 * Justice that reddens the sky with her terrors,
 * Mercy that comes with her white-handed train,
 * Soothing all passions, redeeming all errors,
 * Sheathing the sabre and breaking the chain.

 * Borne on the deluge of all usurpations,
 * Drifted our Ark o'er the desolate seas,
 * Bearing the rainbow of hope to the nations,
 * Torn from the storm-cloud and flung to the breeze!

 * God bless the Flag and its loyal defenders,
 * While its broad folds o'er the battle-field wave,
 * Till the dim star-wreath rekindle its splendors,
 * Washed from its stains in the blood of the brave! - God Save the Flag a poem by Oliver Wendell Holmes

 * after that I have to put in a national say here, I'll give a direct translation also.
 * "Mais depressa se apanha um mentiroso que um coucho."
 * Quickly do we catch a liar that a lame man.
 * (the idea is of speed and the injury is on the a leg couldn't remember a more direct translation..)
 * A non-direct translation is humm, "The truth will always came out..."

 * (Hope you like this... a rush improv. to trump you :) )
 * Justice, Reason and Fairness have no bounds, they need no Hero, time is the enemy, entropy the foe, martyrdom, a failed attempt to push things while you are alive, then death fallows, time passes, entropy sets and your are forgotten. .) --Panic 05:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * "battles are lost in the same spirit in which they are won." - Walt Whitman

 * "To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." - G. K. Chesterton

 * Wikis by their very structure and nature have concentrated power into the hands of the majority, and few people want to spend their time fighting about abstractions. It is tiresome.

 * I am concerned here because with each day that passes, with each demonstration that you lack the desire to modify your behavior, with each declaration of your desire to fight and defend your position, Wikibookians seem to become become more comfortable with a Panic-less Wikibooks. I think that you have not considered the end-game here.

 * "The defensive power of a pinned piece is only imaginary." - Aron Nimzowitsch

 * -- xixtas talk 14:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Some battles are won because of the spirit in which they are fought. But any battle even if fought by the right reasons is only a failing of diplomacy and common sense. All battles/wars are ultimately avoidable.

 * To exercise your rights, to fight for what is right is an obligation, if no protest is stated in every instance "errors" are committed you will of be part of the destruction of freedom and an accomplice in the abuse.

 * Wikibooks shouldn't have the power concentrated on the hands of a majority, even if the core of the decision process can be seen as a dictatorship the "dictator" gave the population a very powerful way to reach decisions, only deviation from what was given us lets power groups form and have abusive relations regarding others. (see the above essay)

 * Xistas, I don't see any behavior that I need to change, I could have been more passive but that wouldn't solve anything, I see several actions as against and abusive of the set of policies that should rule us all (not some, or at times). The rest is on the arbitration logs. --Panic 17:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Alright. Let me know how that works out for you. -- xixtas talk 00:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Main page
I have started a discussion about this at Staff_lounge where it suggests Nearly_complete as a main page. RobinH 13:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Be civil
I will be working on the policy also, I have checked all your posts about the policy and looked to what links there, I do agree with some of your views did you already produced something that I could take a look at ? There seems to be an active dispute involving that policy, I will also look into it. txs for any input on that. --NoJonny 18:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

As a side remark, and in tandem with your early posts, did you take notice on the date the policy was adopted, it should be reflected on the policy text is there any accepted way on stating that info? txs again. --NoJonny 18:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Noahw
Alternate account of yours? -within focus 06:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please be very careful, thank you -- Herby talk thyme 08:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Response to proposal to lift Panic's block
I am concerned about two things in particular as far as lifting the block:
 * 1) Panic's stance on editorial control of the C++ book. The contributions and changes made by other contributors in that book during Panic's block must be respected. There should be no reversion of what has been done and the status quo should be recognized as "the way things are now" not "the way things were before Panic was blocked." If Panic would like to change the way the book is now, there must be a broader consensus to change it. Ideally, revisions should build on the work done before, not tear it down. Panic must recognize that all contributors should have a voice in the book and that the differentiation he makes between authors and non-authors is not recognized by Wikibooks or Wikimedia. I am concerned that Panic's first action after being unblocked would be to return the C++ book to the way it was before the second block. That would not be fair to the other contributors or good for Wikibooks.
 * 2) Panic's lack of recognition of his own uncivil behavior. Soapboxing, being disruptive to make a point, imposing deadlines, failure to assume good faith, biting newbies, wikilawyering, taunting, using sockpuppets to evade a ban, trolling, not abiding by the terms of a remediation, aggressively refactoring talk pages, and misrepresenting others' statements are all uncivil behaviors. I believe, based on the communications I have read that Panic has engaged in each of these behaviors. Further, even though other Wikibookians (including myself) have also engaged in *some of* these same uncivil behaviors, Panic engages in these uncivil behaviors far more than any other Wikibookian. The fact that he still refuses to recognize any of his own behavior as uncivil is very troubling to me.
 * -- xixtas talk 16:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * To Xistas, Xistas it should be clear to you that I don't want and never did want sole control of the book, refactoring etc (please refer to it as allegations made by SB Jhonny and Darklama) or prove it as a fact, continue to repeat false accusations as if they were facts is damaging to me...
 * More rules, policy or even basic reason has gone out of the door long and the high point was the way the arbitration ended, that is not how things should be done, we shouldn't use votes by majority just to avoid similar actions, every other action I took was not and is not against policy or even good sense, you may consider it civil disobedience but in no way anyone was directly targeted by my actions, I'm not the reason we are in this situation, I was forced into it, consider it reactions, I took great care this time to be the most correct I could be. --Panic 17:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I do not believe you have been uncivil because Darklama and SBJohnny (and many others) allege it. I believe it is so because I have observed it. Removing my post just now so that people can only read your reply but not what I wrote (without going to more trouble) was uncivil. Though there is no rule against it and you are within your rights to do so on your talk page, it was still uncivil. Should you be blocked for it? of course not. But it's one more grain of sand in the weight of your growing body of incivility. I will moved copy my original comment and the responses to my talk  page so that those who wish to read it may do so without sifting through the hall of mirrors that is the history of this page. BTW, the nick has two exes and one ess. xiXtas. -- xixtas  talk 17:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I then agree with you all parties are to blame on the BECIVIL part at one point or another if you take it to such a high level, I think that is why the policy is not so well defined, it does indeed facilitate its abuse, interpretations may vary like the one you stated, I would agree if that was my intention (to prevent others reading your post), but I could also allege that it was bad faith of you to expect that from me :), I then say that I have god faith in you :) that it was not what you were implying but you see the mess we can get into if we take those as policies to extremes (it is my opinion that they should be made guidelines and exact and extreme situations of personal attack should be covered by specific policy, that would be much clearer (I stated so on those policies talk pages). (Sorry for mangling your user name) --Panic 18:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Why is it that you refuse to consider that those who believe that you are wrong have all arrived at that conclusion independently based on a first-person review of the history and the facts at hand. Permit me my own little analogy. Ground beef goes on sale at the store for half price. The store sells twice as much ground beef as they did the week before. Does this mean there is a conspiracy to buy ground beef? No. It means that each consumer independently evaluated the facts at hand and made a judgment. Some bought more ground beef, others bought ground beef when they wouldn't have before, still others prefer to avoid ground beef entirely. Some would have bought the ground beef if it had appeared fresher. The sum total of these independent judgments was that the store sold a lot more ground beef. That doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to buy ground beef. -- xixtas talk 18:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok lets address the problems one by one you make the accusation provide the fact and we examine the policy that covers it, we can begin from the start, but then to be fair we will also address the other actions against me and I provide the facts and we will also examine the policy that covers it, are you game ? (we can even start by Darklamas actions and my interaction with him, since I will have to address those points later this will also be useful) --Panic 18:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Right now I need to get back on billable time or I'm not going to be able to pay my mortgage. ;-) I'll think about your proposal in the meantime. I have a pretty busy weekend coming up with a camping trip Friday, Saturday and Sunday and a recital to attend Sunday night. This may not be the best time for me to start such an exercise. The question I have for you is what is to be gained? Will you look at what I say with an open mind and... if I demonstrate that your actions have been against the spirit of wiki, counter-productive, and uncivil will you accept that you should try to alter your behavior and agree to do so going forward? -- xixtas talk 18:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * :) Ok I understand. It would indeed be an exercise on how we see things and if it's really a problem with interpretation, I have been with a open mind since the start, I acknowledged several errors I committed and am open to acknowledge more and make any change to my behavior that would enable it to be so... But the analysis shouldn't be target only on my actions and you will act on policy and to the extend or your abilities to address all issues, those are the only requirements I make, if you agree and when you have the time please post the timeframe were you want to start (from the end or the beginning, I'll be hard pressed to defend my actions in reverse order but if taken into context I think there will be no problem) --Panic 18:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

WB:RFA
I have nominated you for adminship, you may feel free to either accept or decline the nomination as you see fit. You are both helpful and trustworthy without question, and I hope that you do accept it. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 00:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me, but...
If this last post [here] was directed to any remark I made you are incorrect, I have never stated it as such. I'm having an hard time correcting what were not my own words, perception is everything today, [I'm clear enough] and I have even gone to the the trouble of making it clearer. User talk:Panic2k4/Decision making and Community consensus on Wikibooks, if you were not addressing me it would be great if you could correct the statement or made it obvious to whom you were addressing just to avoid perpetuating the idea. Txs. --Panic 01:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sysop
Due to your full support on WB:RFA, you are now a sysop. -within focus 13:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Congrats, xixtas! If you need help figuring out how the tools work, pop in on IRC! -- SB_Johnny | talk 14:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks guys! -- xixtas talk 16:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Wikibooks talk:Arbitration/Panic2k4 vs. SBJohnny/Arbitrator Actions

I want to say that I disagree with the way this was done. As an outside observer with no dog in the fight, the process seems unfair to me. --xixtas 06:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I too was an outside observer that had nothing to do with the process, technically even less than yourself, someone who left multiple comments at the process' talk page discussing procedure and what I consider to have some investment in that process. I've left a comment at your talk page to discuss this in a limited fashion and I hope you will respond. I further hope that with some additional review of the many pages on the site discussing this matter, you will see the harm being done to the community with this arbitration and the need to end it before we lost many dedicated and productive users. -within focus 00:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the original Arbitrator is missing and to your (and probably other users) view that the arbitration is taking to long the only acceptable response is to void the arbitration completely and restore the previous block with my request to unblock pending decission.

I don't share your rational about my response to the accusations made, and you fail to validate or address the question on the table and further empower SBJohnny first decision that was in all regards abusive.

Since you consider that in stating my objections and comments addressing the same accusation as requested by the existing procedure I was offensive (I don't see how), you place yourself in a position that clearly opposes the right of any user to contest actions he feels as wrong, any other blocking action will further demonstrate the irresponsibility of the use of the blocking power here on Wikibooks, since no policy does support it's use in the way you intend on using it.

Such action, in it self will be detrimental to the sense of community you are pretending to defend. As a show of respect for the same community a poll that would reflect the community wishes would have been a better decision. --Panic 23:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You were given an unprecidented amount of freedom and time to refute the decision and seek redress. Rob created an entire arbitration process solely for your benefit, against even the general will of the community. This same arbitration hearing was allowed to continue for much longer then it should have. I would say, therefore, that you have been given plenty of opportunity here.
 * There might not be a current policy dictating when and how an admin may block a non-vandal user, but the absence of policy does not mean we are not capable of such blocks. Admins are allowed to use their own judgement in using admin tools, especially in situations where there is no policy. Finally, you have repeatedly violated the Be civil policy, and that policy does say that users who violate the policy may be blocked.
 * There will be no poll, and no discussion, and no review. This whole mess has gone on long enough. Months ago we adminstrators were asked to solve problems that you have caused, and to reprimand your bad behavior. The only error that we are guilty of is not producing a quick, decisive, unified response to the initial requests. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 00:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't see that Rob created anything to my benefit, if he had I would not have participated, the arbitration was created to address the lack of wikibooks to support a user contesting any action he doesn't agree with, Rob was not acting on my benefit he was addressing the lack of solution to a uncommon problem that was created by what I saw as abusive behavior of an administrator.

 * As for the time the arbitration took or how it unfolded I had no control, I accepted the terms and I remind you that I was the only one that can be seen as having something to lose, that was the scope of the arbitration. I and SBJohnny were the ones involved the community role on the proceedings up to this time consisted more on voluntary comments on how an arbitration should be established, no harm was done to the community and it attempted to provide a demonstration on how to address future problems.

 * Admins are allowed to use their own judgment but decisions on those judgments may lack community support or even violate active policies (as I say they did), Admins are only users with special rights entrusted to them by the community, under no active policy or broad interpretation can the granting of such right imply that actions can't be contested or even fall under abuse or error or that the judgment of an Admin is superior to that of a common user.

 * I didn't in any way violate the Be civil as I think I proved and other SBJohnny missed to provide evidence of such violations, more, the use of Be civil as a gag order to users shouldn't be allowed and in itself violates the spirit of the policy. User should be able to disagree and discuss and even work toward changes and improvements to the community.

 * Months ago we adminstrators were asked to solve problems that you have caused, and to reprimand your bad behavior.

 * This statement is incorrect, I didn't cause any problems or engaged in bad behavior. The problems you are referring to were started by Darklama move of pages and deletion of content from a book, I asked the user and tried to come to an agreement with him and even tried to get some comment from administrators but this weren't the objects of the arbitration.

 * As for the community error I could agree more, if policy was fallowed on the contested edits, the moves would have been reverted and the content restored as for active policies, this would have diffused and averted the situation I face now. I strongly object to statement that further try to establish we are here due to any limitation or lack of will I have to try to solve the problems in an amicable way and state the situation as problems I caused, the only problems I may have caused is forcing the community to address some abusive actions that were performed on my account, this is a right I have and will pursue to the ultimate consequences as I see myself as the one that was wrongly target on a disciplinary action.

 * As for the review, I have already started action on meta as per the setting Rob established when creating the arbitration, since some events and actions are being performed that further violate active community policies and my rights and also subvert the intentions of the Arbitration and the subject and the terms I agreed on participating in it.

 * I'm not engaging in any action that will harm the community, my intention is only to be treated within the rules I agreed on in participating on the project, to avoid being made an escape goat to the community lack of will to address such problem and I think the results even if I find myself excluded from participating will be useful to the future of Wikibooks.

 * I can understand that part of the community see my actions on contesting the block as problematic or causing bad will, but it should be clear that I have nothing to gain and only to lose and that I'm only acting in the best interests of the community, I have nothing to hide and all my actions if checked are within the guidelines of the project, if someone did behave badly it wasn't me, I have already stated the actions I regret but in themselves were not violations of any active policy. --Panic 02:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I could have guessed you would have gone to meta with your appeal, and I am sure that when the folks at meta do not agree with you either, you will turn to yet a higher authority. This does not surprise me.
 * The biggest issue between us is a disagreement, or different interpretations of the policies that we have. This is how it has been since I first got involved in this issue, and I am not surprised that you are trying to make it an issue still. It is my opinion, along with User:Withinfocus, User:SBJohnny, User:Darklama, and other users that I will choose not to name here, that you did violate the Be civil policy, on a number of occasions. There is anecdotal evidence that your pattern of behavior has been happening for as long as you have been a member here. I can understand, considering that english is not your first language, that perhaps there is a translation error with the word "civil", and I would be inclined to grant you leniency on that account, if that were the case. In all your time here, how many people have stopped editing the C++ book (or all the different C++ books) because of your behavior? How many people have left wikibooks all together because of your behavior? I can name at least 1 person who did leave, 1 who was about to leave, and 1 who is currently preparing to leave because of unhappiness at your actions. I am certain there are others as well that we have not identified.
 * Beyond the Be civil policy, there are no mentions in policy of admins blocking users for bad behavior, and I will admit that the Be Civil policy is a recent policy that was not in effect during some of your actions. However, admins are allowed to use judgement in such cases, and it was the decision of multiple admins that you should have been blocked. Before blocking you, SBJohnny discussed the issue with myself and multiple other wikibookians first, and we waited a long time before acting. Such forethought and planning is not common among the corrupt or abusers of power. No person likes to be disciplined, but that does not mean that you were abused, mistreated, or discriminated against.
 * This whole situation, from your actions in the C++ book, through the arbitration have caused this community substantial harm. You claim to want to improve the community, and I don't doubt your motives, but unfortunately the reality is very different from what you claim.
 * I will continue to monitor your user talk page so that this discussion can continue after you have been blocked. When and if you choose to return to wikibooks, I hope that we can put all this behind us. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 03:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * reset

I only requested meta intervention because of the last days posts, it was not my intention of bringing outsiders to intervene on a solution that should have been achieved here, it is with sorrow that I did fallow that path, I'm sorry Rob couldn't complete his task...

Can you please point me out were and when I did violate the Be civil, that would be useful and I can then agree or have a more productive discussion on my and your interpretation of the policy and if it should apply to the problem.

Of course I will push the subject as I'm the one on the line here, not submitting to a wrong deed gives more value to 1)my intention to still participate on the project 2)be willing to admit any errors and correct them 3)refute any wrong doing so far, if I stopped pushing the issue it would be admitting that any of my actions were wrong or that I did not have any intention of being constructive, I don't like to but I'm obliged to continue.

There is anecdotal evidence that your pattern of behavior has been happening for as long as you have been a member here.

I don't fallow you here, can you point to such evidence ?

To be civil is to respect others as you wish to be respected, to be civil is to respond to other with the same courtesy that others address you. To be civil is to be polite, that it not to be rude. That is the bases of the policy. That is what I fallow and always did even if no policy makes it an obligation, here and everywhere.

In all your time here, how many people have stopped editing the C++ book

I can't respond to that nor can you respond to the reverse, how many people did I bring to wikibooks and to that project?, but please point me the one you say left Wikibooks because of my actions, even Paddu didn't live at the time because of me as I have pointed out and that was the only other user I had any other "problem" with. I don't know any other user that was contributing to the book that was intending on quiting because of me, if you are referring to James, please talk to the user, I took no action and did not have any "problem" with him and if the user took offense, I did at the proper time ask him apologies for any confusion the "off topic" intervention of Darklama and my reply at the time caused to him.

I feel abused in the way the blocks were performed, the time frame and actions that the blocks permitted to occur or validated, all were not done by policy and in the proper form the community validates such performance and use of that power, in that way they were indeed abusive, a simple point is that a block should not be used to replace or stop a discussion even if that was not the case as no discussion was in motion with SBJohnny at the time, this simple point demonstrates in it self a lack of respect for the Be civil or the guidelines to expect and work on the hope of the other party to have good intentions.

I give the same level of regard to the users having or not the administrative flag, to me they are users like the any other, they should, even more then others, respect and use restrain on the application of their decisions just because more is expected from them, they are expected to have a higher regard for the community that entrusted them with the power to perform actions that can cause great harm to others.

If you can provide me of any wrong doing or clear break of policy I will concede that some level of disciplinary action should be performed, but not the ones SBJohnny invoked on his blocks. --Panic 04:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * User:Paddu has said on more then one occasion that he stopped editing the C++ book because of your behavior. He also cited you as a reason why he would not return to this project in the future. User:James Dennett and User:Darklama were both treated badly by you on a number of occasions, and the administrative staff (myself included) received a number of complaints about you in these instances. Numerous posts and events have already been pointed out to you in the original mediation (between you and User:Darklama), in the subsequent warnings from myself and from User:SBJohnny, and in the dispositions in the final arbitration.
 * Whether you believe it or understand it is not an issue here: You can and will be disciplined even if you don't understand the problem. We've made every effort to help you see the error, and we've made effort to try and fix problems. Unfortunately, all these efforts have not had the desired result, and the community opinion is that you are not civil and not nice.
 * I will point out some of the issues that have gotten you here. All of these behaviors are considered "uncivil":
 * Imposing deadlines on other contributors to make changes.
 * Removing posts from talk pages made by other users.
 * Threatening to revert posts by other users.
 * Reverting posts by other users made in good faith, especially mass reverts (such as "I will revert all your recent changes").
 * Preventing contributors from being listed as an "author" to a book or page.
 * Being unfriendly and impatient with new users ("Don't bite the newbies").
 * Wikibooks is a collaborative effort, and you have demonstrated on multiple occasions that you are not willing to collaborate with other editors. That problem alone is enough to warrant your discontinued membership here. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 13:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * PS: I have also sent a message to meta:User:Redux explaining the situation, and asking him not to continue this fight any further. The continued escalation of this discussion, and other disciplinary discussions in the past, when good-faith efforts have been made to solve disputes, should not be encouraged or tolerated. Discipline of misbehaving users can not open to infinite appeal. Such infinite appeals and continuations appears to me as an abuse of the system. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 14:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Again I'm sorry but you are incorrect, user User:Paddu was not contributing to the book from the first day I started, he was active on the book's talk page and as can be checked on the pages logs and users contributions, the only contributions he made to the work were on the first days some spell corrections and later on only reverts and content moves (and mostly on the talk pages) this is part of the logs, I didn't saw anywhere the user Paddu state he left because of me, he did stop his presence on Wikibook altogether but some time after the "fork", that solution was created by me to enable all to be productive, at least I and others have...

 * It seems you haven't read my "counter argumentation", User:James Dennett was a third party that Darklama got involved by engaging me on a books talk page, the user is inexperienced and was unaware of the "bigger picture", in no way my exchange of words with this user violates Be Civil or active policies.

 * As for User:Darklama I agree that in some of the last posts I could have be more polite but I'm human also, and my efforts not to get aggravated did fail a moment or other, I had been "dialogging" with the user for several moths, he DID violate standard policies and guidelines.

 * You are "forcing" some interpretations that aren't correct and are already addressed on my response to the accusation, there was no IMPOSITION OF TIME LIMITS, user James edits in question are a few scattered words, the user in question did not object to later correction I made to the page. All points 1-6 are without merit some I have addressed on the arbitration some are new but I will respond to them in a similar way.
 * (Reduction to the absurd) You User:Whiteknight have been (the value is the same).
 * Imposing deadlines on other contributors to make changes.
 * Removing posts from talk pages made by other users.
 * Threatening to revert posts by other users.
 * Reverting posts by other users made in good faith, especially mass reverts (such as "I will revert all your recent changes").
 * Preventing contributors from being listed as an "author" to a book or page.
 * Being unfriendly and impatient with new users ("Don't bite the newbies").

 * Those accusations against me are without bases. I don't understand YOU doing this but it further pushes misinformation, you had the chance to intervene on the arbitration proceeding and you did, I will not repeat myself ad infinitum all the points were addressed in my response you had the chance to validate and contest those points.

 * But again those are not the topics of the arbitration, the point is, was the last block rightful and properly executed ? It clearly was not. --Panic 16:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * And I will not repeat myself ad infinitem either. You may not think that your actions were uncivil, but they were, and they did draw criticisms. Users did complain about you, and the admins did find evidence of your abuse during the mediation, and later during the arbitration. Large numbers of conversations were not held here on wikibooks, but were instead conducted over email, IRC, and were located on other wikis. I am sorry if you cannot find the logs, but that does not mean these conversations did not happen.
 * Your imposition of deadlines on other users, and your threatening to revert edits of other users were displayed in the arbitration. SBJohnny and other users linked to edits of yours where you exhibit these behaviors. I will not repost those links here. User:Darklama and User:James Dennett both testified in the arbitration that you were uncivil to them both when they were new users. Explanations or apologies that happened later don't really change the fact that you had been uncivil in the past. Explanations of your behavior should have happened long before the mediation and the arbitration. After the arbitration started, it was really too late to fix the mistakes. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * reset

Again I don't agree with you, the proper forum to state any complain is Wikibooks, this is were I can have a chance of defending myself from any accusation. I saw no complain on my talk page or in the staff l. the recognized method of placing such complains.

Again I state that 1)I have no power to 2)never did, impose any deadline as is part of the arbitration record, as for User:James Dennett I did explain and apologized to him before the arbitration as soon as I realized the user had misunderstood what I said to him (it's on the arbitration logs also), but as I stated it, it was a request not an obligation to comply, the user did try to perform the requested action later but I had already corrected the subject of the request, no conflict with the user was or is intended on my part, I was never uncivil with the user and even if a reversion on the spot could have avoided the users misunderstanding and be in accord with the normal way such corrections are made I tried to understand the intention of the change in question. As a programmer if you can check the edits and you will understand what the problem was and the minor importance of the subject in question, the problem is a clear fabrication and can be checked as I gave every information on the arbitration log. --Panic 19:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Xania's Comments
I see that the arbitration has now ended but a decision has been made by Withinfocus and not the original arbitrator (who is unavailable). I can not support this decision. This seems to be a whitewash and the punishment is way out of proportion. Panic has gone out of his way to make ammends, supported the arbitration and refrained from annoying people since this began. IK would have supported a decision by the original arbitrator (but not such a severe punishment) but if we're not doing that then we may just as well have a show of hands and vote the old fashioned way. Xania talk 22:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


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Regarding edits made during February 3 2007
Please take care not to replace Wikibooks pages with blank content. Blank pages are harmful to Wikibooks because they have a tendency to confuse readers. If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. If page is no longer useful, insert delete to its top. Thanks for contributing to Wikibooks! If this is an IP address, and it is shared by multiple users, ignore this warning if you did not make any unconstructive edits. Az1568(Talk) 06:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Robotics/Components/Actuation Devices

=Updates=

I have updated both the Pnematics and Electromagnetic Actuator Pages. I will add images over the next day or so. Check them out :) --SamEEE 16:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

=Writing Methods=

I think there should be a standard sort of format for this section. With Sections including the following

Applications

Design Considerations

Calculating Force

Does anyone else have any ideas? --SamEEE 07:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:Amwaude

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Flashbulb Memories
Permission for this would need to be by email to the foundation I'm afraid otherwise it will be seen as a copyright violation, sorry -- Herby talk thyme 08:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Jyotish & How astrology works

Jyotish & How astrology works
I came across these two as they were created while on RC patrol. Neither of them seem to me to be textbooks in their current form by any stretch of the imagination. How astrology works has a copyright symbol on it and my enquiry on the author's talk page (User talk:Rohiniranjan) has gone unanswered. I am content that neither of them are "speedy" ones however as they stand I do not see that as appropriate for Wikibooks -- Herby talk thyme

 * Delete both as soapboxing, POV, personal essays, self-promotion, not textbooks, and plain old bad. I think these should be easy speedy deletes based upon content not upon the subject itself. Kellen T 14:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete both seem to be original works and are probably speedy delete candidates. Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]]talk 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The deletion policy states that we must wait a full week (6 days) between the time a page is created, and when it can be nominated for deletion. That a page isn't perfectly acceptable within the first week of it's existance should not be a surprise, it should not be a cause for alarm, and it should not be a reason to delete the page. A little patience can be a virtue. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree - however if you look at the "date" on it it has not just been worked on now, equally there is the copyvio to address -- Herby talk thyme 20:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Comment. But I thought that books can be deleted even if new if they are obvious candidates for speedy deletion (i.e. original works). I would suggest that this is an original work and should be speedily deleted. Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]]talk 19:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - I couldn't have put it any better than Kellen. Webaware 23:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - meaningless pseudoscientific junk. PCU123456789 (talk) 19:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - without value - Monk talk 07:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. All things considered, we should probably delete this one. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 18:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:Charlie2

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User talk:Gafromca

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User talk:Thereen

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 * Relationships/Sex I should fix this bias article.

Bicycles
Hi! Per the discussion at the Reading Room, I've decided to add a section on riding for beginners. Since you're also contributing to this book, could I get your input on whether this or this is a better way to integrate the planned content (i.e., adding a direct beginner chapter versus splitting the book into two sections)? I can't decide which is better (or if there's an even better alternative). Cheers, Tempodivalse 16:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Tempodivalse 16:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Dewikification
Removing red links is fine, but is it really necessary to remove the references too? – Adrignola discuss 03:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Great work
I like what I see. Merge proposals, book splits. You're quite the WikiGnome! – Adrignola discuss 03:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I just like everything to be orderly. It seems I'll never run out of things to tinker with on this wiki. If you see any questionable decisions on my part, feel free to bring it up! I fear I can become too bold after an editing rampage. --Thereen (discuss • contribs) 21:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Viva intellectual freedom
[]20:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC) [] NPOV ergo AllPOV 20:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks! I think I'm the only one over at Russian, so it's nice to finally know I'm doing a good job! You seem to know your way around Wikibooks, so I had a couple of questions, if I may... Is there a way to see all the changes made to an entire wikibook, even if the pages aren't in your watchlist? DD 8630 (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome
Hi Thereen. Just wanted to thank you for the nice welcome message and the help offer. --XanaG (discuss • contribs) 22:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello!
Thanks! I am really excited to help contribute to the Canadian History Wikibook! I have gone through pages and fixed a lot of the formatting. Mitchturn (discuss • contribs) 04:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Thereen, Thank you for your suggestion for merging the two books. I tried to do that in the beginning, but didn't see how I could do it. You see, the way that book was put together, feels as if someone had very little understanding of the language and just put down all they knew in a random order. There is no organization to that book. I don't want to delete it, for fear of conflict with the person who made that page. I just don't see how I could conjoin the two books, so i hope that makes sense. Also, I am planning to create a series called the Dedicated Learner Series, and the Hawaiian book is number one, therefore I cannot change the title of the book.

I hope you understand. Thanks for the compliments! And if you know of anyone who would be willing to have a conversation about languages, please have them start a discussion; I would love to talk with them! Master tongue (discuss • contribs) 06:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your quick response! Your fear of conflict with the primary authors of Hawaiian is (to my mind) not necessary. In the last 30 days, you appear to be the only user making content edits to that book. The talk page has been inactive since 2008, and there is no strict guideline in place for further development to the book. It would seem that any primary authors that once edited the book are no longer active. Also, wikibooks is perfectly suited to collaborations between authors, as well as shifts in content and focus. In short, I see no problem with you imposing your planned structure and content on the wikibook titled Hawaiian. The pre-existing content could be worked into your plans as dialogue snippets or appendixes with vocabulary to learn.

 * Regarding your planned series, I am not sure that including the title of the series in each of your texts is the best course of action. I think it would be better if you were to acknowledge that each of the books you start are part of the "Dedicated Learner Series" on the content page of each book, rather than the title. Having simple titles, like Hawaiian makes your book more searchable, and therefore each book will reach more potential learners. --Thereen (discuss • contribs) 00:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, I suppose that does make a lot of sense. I will try that now. Thank you for your input in this decision. I apriciate all of your advise, and hope we can collaborate in the future on similar problems. It might take a while for me to transfer things over and change links, etc. Tell me what you think when it's all done. I would greatly accept your oppinions, as I have on this one. Thanks! Master tongue (discuss • contribs) 01:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Canadian LGBT History
I have imported your page from Wikipedia as you requested. It will need to be dewikied and made into a book. Good luck.

--ЗAНИA talk 11:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks For Your Welcome
Thank you so much for welcoming me and suggesting some educational and creative arts categories of books. Demarshall (discuss • contribs) 06:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again - Yes, I Do!
Thanks again - Yes, I Do! Enjoy Editing Ebooks! I have done it for Gutenberg in the past. :-) Demarshall (discuss • contribs) 09:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Rewikification
You can request a fix of wikipedia's links (rewikification) at User talk:Hethrir. Wikilinks are good metadata. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 12:11, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! This bot will save me hours. Adding it to my toolkit.--Thereen (discuss • contribs) 21:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Useful tricks page ofr language authors
Hi I have talked to some of you about the need to better pool our resources and ideas about writing good foreign language wikibooks. I noticed that some information was available under Authoring Foreign Language Textbooks, but not so much on what kind of tricks you can use to make your book more interactive. So I added a page "Useful tricks to it and gave a description of some of the tricks I am using @ Dutch. Hopefully we can use the Useful tricks page and its discussion page for a better exchange of ideas. I still think we need a better venue for that, but it's a start. Jcwf (discuss • contribs) 00:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

discusion
Hi dear,how ur pakistani composion is nice Waliul Islam (discuss • contribs) 12:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:218.128.116.5

Apolgies - looked like blanking and I moved too quickly. I have reverted back to your version - sorry -- Herby talk thyme 14:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Template:Blender 3D: HotKeys/3D View/Edit Mode/ALT-FKEY

ALT+FKEY - Beauty Fill. The edges of all the selected triangular faces are switched in such a way that equally sized faces are formed. This operation is 2D; various layers of polygons must be filled in succession. The Beauty Fill can be performed immediately after a Fill.


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Cookbook:Char Sui (Asian Barbecued Pork)

BBQ sam-chang-bak is a very simple barbecue seasoning recipe for pork meat.

Ingredients

 * 3 katis (1.8–2 kg / 4 lbs) of pork (sam-chang-bak)
 * 5 tablespoons char-siu sauce
 * 5 tablespoons sugar
 * Pepper
 * A few drops of tenderizer

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Cookbook:Cuisine of Suriname

Suriname is a South American country which has Guyana, Brazil and French Guyana as its neighbors. It is the only Dutch speaking country in South America, and it considers itself a member of the Caribbean. Suriname has been a member of the Caribbean community (Caricom) since 1994. Suriname is a mix of different cultures including, Dutch, French, English, Spanish, Javanese, Chinese, Creole, Indian and many others. The cuisine of Suriname is therefore also very diverse and very wonderful.

Appetizers

 * Samosa
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Soups

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title: Cookbook:Cuisine of Suriname


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Cookbook:Double Chocolate Brownies

| American cuisine | Vegetarian Cuisine | Holiday Recipes | Dessert

Ingredients

 * ⅓ cup unsalted butter
 * ¾ cup white granulated sugar
 * ¼ cup water
 * 1 package (12 ounces) dark or bittersweet chocolate chips, divided in half
 * 1 teaspoon vanilla
 * ¾ cups all purpose flour
 * ¼ teaspoon baking soda
 * ¼ teaspoon salt
 * 2 ea. (100 g) standard eggs
 * ½ cup chopped nuts (optional)

Procedure

 * 1) Let the eggs and butter sit out for 30 minutes to bring to room temperature.
 * 2) Preheat oven to 165°C (325°F).
 * 3) In a small bowl, sift together the flour, baking soda, and salt. Set aside.
 * 4) In a small saucepan combine butter, sugar, and water. Bring just to a boil then remove from heat.
 * 5) Add half of the chocolate chips (6 oz) and vanilla. Stir until smooth and shiny.
 * 6) Transfer the chocolate mixture into a large bowl.
 * 7) Add eggs one at a time, beating well after each addition.
 * 8) Gradually blend in flour mixture.
 * 9) Stir in remaining chocolate chips and nuts if desired.
 * 10) Spread in a greased 9-inch square pan.
 * 11) Bake at 165°C (325°F) for 30–35 minutes.
 * 12) Cool completely before cutting into 2¼-inch squares.

Notes, tips, and variations

 * Substitute some or all of the flour with whole-wheat flour.
 * To substantially reduce the fat and cholesterol, substitute the two eggs with three egg whites.
 * Substitute the vanilla extract with ½ teaspoon almond extract or 2 teaspoon orange liqueur.
 * For a quicker recipe, don't leave the eggs and butter out; instead, soften the butter in the microwave, and do nothing else with the eggs.

title: Cookbook:Double Chocolate Brownies


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