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This page is a copy of the categorization discussion that gave way to the book list subproject of the CCO.

Categories
I was planning to do some categorizing of uncategorized pages starting in a couple of weeks. I did some research and was very surprised to find that there where heated discussions on that subject!!?? For example: the proposed guideline does not seem to have been adopted, past categorizations operations gave way to heated remarks, etc. So if there are still some major problems with this concept please stop me before I start. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 15:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

 * User:Robert Horning, if he is around, can probably explain the opposition to this better then I could. I think a big part of the discussion was that categorization should not be compulsary: That is, we should not force pages to be categorized, but at the same time if people want to do it there is nothing to stop them. The problem, I think, was that we don't want to make it seem that pages must be categorized, especially if we don't have a standard system for doing it. However, over time, we have developed better methods and standards of categorizing pages, books, and other categories. I think (and I'm sure there are going to be complaints with this) that it should be perfectly fine to categorize pages if you want to do it.
 * Also, you will learn here, that there are no issues where 100% of people agree. Every issue is a debate, and sometimes you just need to do what you want to, in order to keep yourself happy and interested. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 22:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I certainly have been leading the opposition to the mandatory use of categories in Wikibooks. Wikibooks is not Wikipedia, and the same "rules" simply don't apply here.  Also, I think that the kinds of categories that are created just to put a page into a category aren't always well thought out or really useful.  In addition, from years of experience as an administrator on Wikibooks, I just don't think the supposed benefit of being able to watch for new pages on the Special:Uncategorizedpages is as big of a benefit here as it has been suggested on Wikipedia.  There are many other administrative tools that can be used to perform the very same task if you really get down to it, and adding categories in this regard is just a waste of time that can be better spent doing something else.  That is of course my opinion, and if you want to waste your time doing something you think may be productive, I'm not going to stop you from it.  But I'm also not going to support you either, and feel like removing categories in books that I'm working on is also just as valid of an action.

 * Categories are a useful tool that can be used to index content, and nothing more. I certainly am strongly against any sort of general Wikibooks policy that requires the use of categories in the way that you format the Wikibook.  BTW, this isn't to say that I'm against general categorization of whole Wikibooks, which in this case is much more related to how you can perceive an article on Wikipedia... but typically an individual Wikibook consists of multiple pages, so it largely breaks down the perception of what is accomplished on Wikipedia.  This, IMHO, would be like somebody trying to categorize every independently editable section of every Wikipedia article.  I suppose that might have some usefulness, but would be very clumsy to accomplish.  Of course, this is just my viewpoint on the issue.  --Rob Horning (talk) 03:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

First thanks both of you (Andrew and Robert) for giving attention to my post. I'm new to wikibooks so I may be missing important things here. Could you please confirm / infirm the following:
 * Contrary to a Wikipedia article, a book on Wikibooks has typically many pages.
 * So here the concept of uncategorized pages covers both uncategorized books and uncategorized subpages making it a different concept then on Wikipedia.
 * An argument can be made about the usefullness of categorizing subpages
 * Categories form the basic indexing mechanism for books. The new "subject" scheme that is gradually replacing bookshelves relies on categories
 * It is reasonable to think that every book should be attainable thru the subject / category indexing scheme
 * The exact structure of the category acyclic graph and the connection points between a particular book and that graph are clearly open to discussion

If the previous paragraph makes any sense then can you tell me how I can get a list of uncategorized books so I can do the important stuff and leave the rest for somebody that has time to spare. Note that the list of uncategorized pages having more then 5000 entries you cannot get the list of uncategorized books from it. Regards -- Jacques (talk) (email) 06:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia is more like a single book (an encyclopedia) with many pages (articles), while Wikibooks has many books which is why subpages are used here and not as much on Wikipedia.
 * Yes uncategorized pages and many other listings cover both books and subpages, unlike Wikipedia which consists of only a single book.
 * Categories form the basic indexing mechanism for both books and subpages. The new "subject" scheme is intended for books only and should gradually replace bookshelves and departments, and yes it relies on categories.
 * I think its reasonable to think every book should be attainable through subjects and categories.
 * The exact structure of the category scheme as well as its usefulness are debatable. However I think the community's continued use of the category system shows that its desirable, both past and current common practices show that there is a general consensus as how categorization should be done, and any discontinuation or change of the category system while debatable is unlikely to happen without discussion and agreement.
 * Before you can get a list of uncategorized books you would first need to be able to come up with an accurate list of all books, which Wikibooks doesn't have. I think this is one reason why its good practice to categorize subpages as well into there own book category. --dark lama  16:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In case the above isn't clear, this is what I see happening most often, and it makes sense to me: all subpages of a book are categorized into a category which is usually the same as the title of the book (since there will never be 2 books with the same title, their categories will also not overlap). The "front page" (the top of the hierarchy) gets categorized into those which describe the content of the book. The "book category" keeps all pages together - the the binding on a book; the "subject categories" allow users to find the book according to its content. The "subject categories" should correspond to those which will make it appear in the appropriate Subject: pages (if there isn't one which is appropriate, then it should be created, though there shouldn't be too make "missing" ones now - we have a good set, I think). Hope that helps. – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 22:04, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

As suspected I was missing something important. For a newcomer the lack of an exhaustive "book list" is kind of weird for a booksite. I understand that it is not necessarely trivial to build though (thanks in part to a chat with darklama). I will leave the discussion like this for a couple of days in case somebody as another important missing piece to add. Thanks again for your insights. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 03:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the problems that we are fighting here is the MediaWiki software itself. Clearly it has been tweaked to work with encyclopedia articles almost to a fault, although there are some extensions which have been added for purposes other than building encyclopedias.  One of the policies that is very unique to Wikibooks and is not found on Wikipedia in any form is the Wikibooks Naming Policy, which was drafted for the explicit purpose of trying to make some sense to how Wikibooks pages were organized.  I think it is reasonable to presume at this point that nearly all of Wikibooks has been moved into this naming system in one form or another, and one of the purposes of this was to help identify a collection of all books, not simply all pages.  When Wikibooks was first started (and no naming policy at all), some books had a very free-flow on how separate pages were named, and wandered aimlessly from one page name to another and no real structure at all.  In the long run, this has proven to be a disaster in terms of project management, and one of the reasons why a formal naming policy was even established in the first place.

 * Several attempts have been made to try and come up with an exhaustive book list in several different forms, and this meta issue of trying to organize Wikibooks content between the front page, the actual Wikibooks themselves, and helping a reader access information that is on this website has been a tough challenge. A concept called Bookshelves was established early in the history of Wikibooks to help organize this content, and some newer schema have also been developed over the years to help organize this content.  Finding Wikibooks content has always been a very tough problem, particularly when it was in what would be called an incomplete or stubby version that did, however, have some real potential for further expansion.  We have even had several variations of how to address the "best of Wikibooks", but at the moment the Featured books process seems to be working rather well.  This doesn't address, however, how to find content that isn't quite one of the "best of.." books.

 * Categories clearly can be useful in helping to find these books, and removing the sense of pure anarchy that has been the case here on Wikibooks for a considerable amount of the content currently here. Just don't get caught up with the idea that the categories are the end goal here, but instead try to focus on the idea that the goal is to help a reader or new user to Wikibooks to be able to identify some content they are looking for that is already written here, or to confirm that an idea for a new Wikibook is a genuinely new idea that hasn't been tried before.  If this is accomplished, I am 100% supportive of any ideas you may come up with to help this general goal, and I see very little in the way of opposition from anybody to help with this huge task.  --Rob Horning (talk) 14:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

 * In my opinion the "search and browse" template on the main page is too cluttered... we DO have some space we're not using underneath it so if needed we can make the font bigger or something (at least the font of the template's title should be bigger to bring some attention to it). I'm also not sure if it's necessary to have all of the bookshelves listed on the template, maybe it would be better to just list the departments? If we do that we can bring more emphasis to the other forms of organization. Regards. Mattb112885 (talk to me) 16:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with Rob here wholeheartedly (at least his last comment). The categories themselves are not the ends, but are instead a useful means of organization. Categories do not always make sense, are not always easy to navigate, etc. This is especially true if the categories themselves are not properly categorized. Since there are so many categories, it is not reasonable to expect that they are going to be properly organized in relation to one another. However, using DPL and the Subject pages, we can create very nice lists of books based on various category intersections. Take a look at Subject:Engineering for an example of this: Lists are automatically generated of sub-topics, engineering books, featured engineering books, engineering books with print/pdf versions, etc. In this case, we've taken a large number of categories, and combined them into a single page that really contains some useful information. If all books are categorized based on subject, features (print version, pdf version, etc), reading level, status (featured, good, needs cleanup, etc) then we can use DPL and the subject pages to display those category intersections in a very intuitive way. For instance, if you want to contribute to computer programming books, you would go to Subject:Programming, scroll down to the section "Books that need cleanup work" (this section doesnt yet exist, it's hypothetical), and you could find a list of all programming books that need help. There is a lot of potential to this system that we haven't used yet, mostly because we can't agree amongst ourselves how exactly to do it, and because we refuse to mandate that it must be done to begin with. This is why, I think, that people like Jacques should be encouraged if they are interested in categorizing pages, because the work that they do will be helpful eventually, if we can get the correct DPL lists set up. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 19:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I disagree with User:Whiteknight here on the fact that we should let resources do something if it might be usefull at some point. The problem is that this is not the main subject here so we shall eventually discuss that elsewhere. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 03:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

OK let’s try to close this discussion with a newbie synthesis.
 * The primary organization unit in Wikibooks is a book. Books are composed of pages.
 * MediaWiki was developed primarily for Wikipedia. It implements the concept of a page but does not directly support the concept of a “book”. Wikipedia can be viewed as a single book with many pages.
 * Categorization can be done at 3 levels:
 * Categorizing books (by topic, by status, etc.)
 * Categorizing pages inside a book (ex. type of recipes in the Cookbook)
 * Associating pages with their books (conceptually a page could be in more than one book thru transclusion)

 * A number of organization schemes for books have been tried since the start of the project. The actual naming policy (book name/page name) makes it trivial to associate a page with its main book. Some older books do not follow this naming policy (ex. The Cookbook).
 * While most books are clearly known and searchable thru subjects and bookshelves there is no exhaustive list of all books at the moment.

My main personal conclusion here is that we should not talk about categorizing pages anymore but instead of either categorizing books or of associating pages to books (assuming that categorizing pages inside a book is the job of that book's team, not a global maintenance task).

Starting with that distinction we could eventually set clear objectives like:
 * All books should be attainable thru the subject / category scheme
 * All books not following the present naming convention should have an alternative way of associating their pages (ex. Namespace for the Cookbook, book categories in the main namespace)
 * All pages should be either a book or associated with a book (thru naming, categorization or other mean).
 * Etc.

The next step for me will be to try to build an exhaustive list of all books and submit it to the community along with its maintenance procedure. If anybody wants to help or give some insight they are more than welcome to do so. I will move this discussion to the Card Catalog Office (CCO) talk page because an eventual book list would go there in the current organization of the site. Watch that page for other interesting category talks :-) And finally thanks again for every contributions in this discussion. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 03:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Card Catalog Subjects
It seems that perhaps 'Strawberry' and some of the other subjects listed in on the page are not sufficiently notable enough to warrant front-page notice. Some of the books in Civil Engineering should probably cross-list to Structural Engineering as well. 128.42.157.132 (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Creating archive pages
I have just created a first archive page as a subpage of this one to keep access to the initial discussions on the CCO while making place for the new discussions on categorizing and book lists. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 14:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Also created an archive for the general reading room categorization discussion that gave way to the book list subproject. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 14:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Objective
The objective here is to create a book list of all wikibooks books along with an update procedure. Any wikibookian is welcome to join in the effort. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 14:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The main problem with creating a book list is maintenance. The list will have to be recreated regularly without any manual intervention. To solve that problem a set of rules for building the list will have to be identified. Those rules will have to have certain characteristics:
 * Applying the whole set will have to generate a complete list
 * The rules must be implementable with an automated tool
 * The set of rules must consider any change to wikibooks that is compatible with policies and guidelines so that the list remains valid when regenerated over time.

So this subproject will consist in defining the correct set of rule and implementing it with an automated tool(s). This will probably be an iterative process because implenting a set of rule will probably generate exceptions that will imply modifications to the rules.

The next section will gradually evolve into the targeted set of rules.

Book list generation rules
This set of rules serves for the generation of a complete book list for wikibooks.

 * Books are found in the main, wikijunior and cookbook namespaces (the list should be parametrized for future evolution). For the rest of the rules definition the list of namespaces where we can find books will be called the book namespaces.

 * The Cookbook is a book encompassing the whole cookbook namespace.

 * All pages in the book namespaces either represent books or pages except for the following:
 * A redirect page. A redirect page is identified by the presence of a line starting with #REDIRECT page name.
 * A transwiki page
 * -- put other exceptions here --

 * The root page of a set of pages (more then one page) following the naming policy represent a book.

 * Non root pages of a set of pages following the naming policy represent pages for which the root page is the corresponding main book.

 * -- other rules to be included here --

 * This list looks good to me. It will give us more impetus to fix the (few) remaining books that don't follow the naming policy! Mattb112885 (talk to me) 06:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Not so sure about the Transwiki exception, because transwikied pages have there own namespace, so any transwikied pages not in that namespace should be either considered to be part of a book having been renamed appropriately, or used to begin a new book. Other excepts include old books using the old naming conventions that have not been renamed to use the new naming convention, and books created by inexperienced Wikibookians who do not understand how books are organized. You could just include a list of books which use the new naming convention and mark any "books" with no subpages as "unknown" to deal with later. --dark lama  16:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

First results
Here are the first analysis results. They are unconfirmed and should not be used. This is just to show that we were able to download and use the daily dump of the database content.

There seems to be about 3300 pages that must be analyzed.

There seems to be about 1600 books with more than one page and probably a few hundreds from the single pages.

Next results in a couple of days... You can ask here or on my talk page if you have any question. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 16:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * These are actually pretty fantastic results. I would love to see more. I assume the "single pages to be analyzed" is going to give us an estimate for the number of books that we have here. It would be fantastic to hear that we have over 3,000 books here (although i'm sure many of them are not books). --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 18:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * There are 2 main questions here:
 * How many of the 1620 groups of pages will confirm as being books (I assume most)
 * How many of the 3329 non redirect single pages won't finish has first level subpages or something else.

 * The message behind this is that there is more work than anticipated before having a strong list. 5000 cases must be checked, lots of them manually, so a systematic approach will have to be taken. I have some ideas but will let them percolate. As usual any idea is welcomed. Regards. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 18:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Why no books about the Arts?
Why is there nothing here relating to the arts? Fine arts especially.

Furthermore, there are no books being written that focus on creative disciplines, and yes, there are such things. I swear to it.

The capacity to learn is Dependant on ones ability to be creative. Being taught is not learning. Unless one can form relationships between ideas, as they have been represented, the ideas haven't been learned at all. They've simply been photocopied by the brain.

The greatest minds in the world, dared to be the most creative. I think that by leaving out the arts, and creative disiplines we are doing a disservice to the source of many forms of intelligence and even those of intellect.

Ideas? Responses? Am I not looking in the right place?

Rigel

 * Hi Rigel, Thanks for your interest in Wikibooks and sorry for the late response. You can post your questions to the Reading room but I will try to answer here. I just checked the Featured Books (books voted as best) list and effectively no books on Fine arts. Take a look at the Fine arts section and its subsections and you will see that there is a big opportunity for contribution. Some books are started but lot of work to do.
 * All work on Wikibooks is volunteer and people write books on their area of expertise so if you already know some specific Fine arts subject, you are more then welcome to give a hand. Just pick a book or create one and be bold. What I can guarantee is that there is no negative thinking about Fine arts or any other subject that lends itself to the textbook formula. Regards, -- Jacques (talk) (email) 16:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Love to Browse
This comment isn't separate from the above comment....it's actually meant to augment it: I just don't like the current "Browse" set-up......it's too darned busy!! I wish we had fewer categories or something. I wish the "tree" only had a few large limbs and then smaller "branches" that broke off from them. Honestly, I don't know how to fix it.....or even if it's broken.....it's just broken for me.Buddpaul (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


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Come introduce yourself at the new users page. If you have any questions, you can ask there or contact me personally.-- – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 16:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the intro but I'm unlikely to shift my focus from Wikipedia for the time being. Maybe some day... --Seans Potato Business (talk) 11:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Discussions
All of my filed discussions.

Whither Wikibooks?
Something new is needed at Wikibooks. We have some fair books now but these are not attracting new editors. If you look at some of our featured books they are not being edited by new experts in the field and some quite popular books have been almost untouched for months. Yet our sister project, Wikipedia, has large numbers of contributors. We seem to have a fairly large readership with over 20000 views a day ( Wikicharts) and rank about 3000th on the net (for a comparison ebooks.com ranks 18000th). My hunch is that many of the readers are going straight for the pdf files (this needs to be checked).

As an internet site we are hugely successful and it seems to me that we will need to accept the awkward truth that books are written by a handful of people and read by many.

So what is the way forward? Some of our most complete, reliable and rapidly developed books have been written as group exercises. This is a key area and possibly the front page should contain a prominent box advertising collaborative writing in a seminar/classroom context. It is also the case that most criticisms of Wikibooks focus on the changeability of texts, Wikipublish is probably critical to our long term success but we have so few editors with the time required.

Perhaps we could resurrect the "joke book" and place boxes for featured books on every page....

Any thoughts? RobinH (talk) 11:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The fact that books are written by few and read by many isn't awkward or unexpected. Quite the contrary, it's exactly what many of us have assumed for a long time, and it's confirmed fact on Wikipedia (i'll dig up the statistics if i can find them). The split between readers and writers is about 90%/10%, if I remember correctly.
 * Putting more information about collaboration on the main page is not a bad idea. However, for those of us who remember the old COTM, the last few COTM books before that program was cancelled were abysmal. In short, putting collaborations on the main page did nothing to actually attract collaboration, or to help improve the book. However, if we took books that already were active and put a "spotlight" on them, that might help. Given the historical evidence of COTM, however, i'm inclined to say that putting a collaboration on the main page just isn't going to do anything productive. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 15:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * It would be interesting to know how many readers are going straight for pdf files... The type of collaboration that I had in mind was collaboration in the context of an academic environment where Wikibooks is used as a tool to enthuse students with the idea of producing essays for something worthwhile. What is needed is some way of selling this concept to university dons. RobinH (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, the Wikipublish thing might be getting a technological boost coming up, because the foundation is having print-on-demand and automatic PDF generation capabilities added to the software. I've also been pushing for a read-only site or sub-domain or something where books that are good and stable can be hosted. Having a stabilized version of a book will make it more usable for classrooms (since the book won't be changed mid-semester) and will make it more attractive to educators and parents (because they won't be prone to vandalism). The Wikipublish project could become something so simple as an editorial board, checking books for quality, editing and updating them, and then saving them as stabilized versions. There are a lot of things going on with the WMF and the software that is going to help us out in a big way in the coming months, so I'm of the mindset that we need to wait and see, so that we don't waste effort trying to do manually what the software will eventually be doing automatically. Of course, if the foundation drags it's feet on these things (which isn't an unreasonable assumption) we will need to take action ourselves. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 15:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * This is good news. The big problem is going to be getting enough enthusiastic editors with enough time. RobinH (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I think attempting to resurrect the joke book would lead to mass hysteria, so let's not go there. As far as the reader:editor ratio is concerned, one possibility with the featured books is that most people who read them aren't that knowledgeable about the subject they're reading about, which is why they do not edit it. Even if a professional does read it (for reference or curiousity or what have you) they may be deterred from editing a book that is deemed "nearly complete", or they may just want to avoid having to write more about their profession (I know WK has said before that engineers at least seldom like to write about engineering, since they have to do it all day anyways). It's somewhat different with an encyclopedia article since it's a lot smaller of a scale and less detailed than a book on the same topic, at least in my view.

 * I do agree, however, with the emphasis on collaborations, though as WK pointed out it is difficult to get those together who would want to collaborate (class projects are convenient since they all are in the same place anyways, getting a random group of people from the internet together is an entirely different proposal).

 * With regard to the publishing, it would be difficult to verify all of the information in a nearly complete book, without a bunch of people (i.e. experts in the field) who can look it over and catch any mistakes and so forth. However, if such a professional saw that we were looking for verifiers, such as through use of a template, it is possible that they would be more inclined to help. Regards. Mattb112885 (talk to me) 17:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * One thing that I do want to do is find a way to get the new book list posted on the main page. The problem with that is that it takes space to add this list, which means we need to remove something from the main page if we want to add something new to it. I am highly in favor of removing the "navigation" links from the lower-left corner, or at least compacting them. If we have about 5 links to the "departments", and not two dozen links to various bookshelves, that would save us the space we would need for an abbreviated new book list. Putting books that are "good" on the new page is likely to increase readership but not necessarily increase contributions. However, putting books that are new or "bad" on the front page with a big "you can help!" message is likely to do exactly that. At least, it's a hypothesis that I think is worth testing. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 18:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I definitely support your idea of reducing the bookshelf list on the main page to major headings. RobinH (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I was wondering if it would be possible to convert every book possible to PDF and actually send somebody to Wikipedia to switch at least some of their activity to Wikibooks. Meta would probably have some executives to come over, probably bringing a retinue of followers with them. However, reading over the above thing, that might also get contributors over. I know a Wikipedian (Valentinian) who is majoring in English and Contemporary History at a Danish university, and he might be willing to write things on Danish in English or vice versa. That could really get us going.. Also, I know Wikipedians who might be interested in switching completely to Wikibooks. Thanks, Laleena (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * As for the PDF versions, it would be possible to create a PDF out of every book, but it doesnt make sense to go through the effort for stub books, or small books, or books in bad condition. However, there is going to be an automatic PDF extension being installed next year that will allow us to create PDF versions of books quickly and easily. I dont think we should do anything drastic until this new extension is installed.
 * As to attracting wikipedians, I agree that it would be a great benefit to us. Some of our members, notably User:SB Johnny have tried long and hard to attract Wikipedians to Wikibooks, and it's largely not been successful. That doesnt mean that it can't happen, just that our attempts so far have not be fruitful. Maybe we just haven't tried hard enough. If you know any wikipedians who are (a) upset at wikipedia, (b) interested in writing books, (c) just looking for a change of venue, or (d) fans of wikibooks, definitely try to invite them here. We have Wikibooks for Wikipedians to get them started, and Using Wikibooks for a more in-depth discussion of our project. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 23:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Surinder54

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History of Apple Inc.

Welcome to the wikibook on   History of Apple Inc. (previously known as Apple Computer, Inc.)

In 1976, friends Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak quit their jobs and moved into Steve's garage in Cupertino, CA. Here they came up with the idea of creating an inexpensive and user-friendly computer. Wozniak being the engineer had been working on an encased circuit board which included switches with flashing lights. Jobs insisted that he and Wozniak try to sell this play toy for computer hobbyists which they called the Apple I. That day the Apple Computer was born and the rest, as they say, is history.

Content

 * /Early successes/
 * /The Apple Inc. is established/
 * /Progress in the 1990s/
 * /Failure/
 * /Apple Interactive Television Box/
 * /Apple Pippin/
 * /Platform Wars/
 * /Disadvantages of closed hardware/
 * /Hamstrung by an Established User Base/
 * /2000s resurgence/
 * /Smartphone revolution/
 * /After Jobs/

Apple

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.NET Development Foundation/Interoperability Topics

Interoperability, Reflection, and Mailing: Topics

Reflection
The Wikipedia definition for reflection in computer science is: "The process by which a computer program can observe and modify its own structure and behavior. The programming paradigm driven by reflection is called reflective programming".

The concept is implemented extensively in .NET because a lot of information is maintained at the common intermediate language (CIL) level.

Among other things you can:
 * get information about running assembly or assembly constituents (modules, classes, methods, etc.), this is particularly useful for dynamically loaded assemblies that are not known at compile time.
 * put custom attributes in your code and retrieve those attributes at run time.
 * dynamically invoke methods.
 * "emit" and execute CIL code at run time.


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.NET Development Foundation/Interoperability Classes

Interoperability, Reflection, and Mailing: Classes, interfaces and tools

COM interoperability
Exam objective: Expose COM components to the .NET Framework and .NET Framework components to COM

(Refer System.Runtime.InteropServices namespace)

Exposing COM Components to the .NET Framework

 * First there is an article in the .NET developers guide that covers the first part of this section, see MSDN

Import a type library as an assembly - MSDN

 * Add references to type libraries

 * Same link as above, see second paragraph.

 * Type Library Importer (Tlbimp.exe) - MSDN

 * Generate interop assemblies from type libraries - MSDN

 * Imported Library Conversion - MSDN

 * Imported Module Conversion - MSDN

 * Imported Type Conversion - MSDN

 * Imported Member Conversion - MSDN

 * Imported Parameter Conversion - MSDN

 * TypeConverter class - MSDN

Create COM types in managed code - MSDN

Compile an interop project - MSDN

Deploy an interop application - MSDN

Exposing .NET Framework Components to COM

 * The rest of the objectives of that section directly refers to MSDN

Qualify the .NET Framework types for interoperation - MSDN

Apply Interop attributes, such as the ComVisibleAttribute class - MSDN

Package an assembly for COM - MSDN

Deploy an application for COM access - MSDN

Call DLL functions
Exam objective: Call unmanaged DLL functions in a .NET Framework application, and control the marshalling of data in a .NET Framework application.

(Refer System.Runtime.InteropServices namespace)

Platform Invoke - MSDN

Create a class to hold DLL functions - MSDN

Create prototypes in managed code - MSDN

 * DllImportAttribute class - MSND

Call a DLL function - MSDN

 * Look for "P/Invoke" on the internet.

 * A good reference is: http://www.pinvoke.net/

 * Some short hints:
 * For the DllAttribute "CharSet", Logically, CharSet.Auto is the most secure way as this will autodetect the Charset used. The CharSet can be ANSI(Win95/Win98/ME) or Unicode (Win2000/WinXP)
 * GetEntryPoint: There could be one tricky question as the EntryPoint states the method that should be called. In case the name of the method used differs from the method to be called, this flag is necessary.

Call a DLL function in special cases, such as passing structures and implementing callback functions

 * Same link as above

 * Passing structures - MSDN

 * Implementing callback functions - MSDN

Create a new Exception class and map it to an HRESULT - MSDN

Default marshaling behavior - MSDN

Marshal data with Platform Invoke - MSDN Marshal data with COM Interop - MSDN

MarshalAsAttribute class and Marshal class

 * MarshalAsAttribute class - MSDN

 * Marshal class - MSDN

Implement Reflection
Exam objective: Implement reflection functionality in a .NET Framework application (refer System.Reflection namespace), and create metadata, Microsoft intermediate language (MSIL), and a PE file by using the System.Reflection.Emit namespace.

Building a custom attribute (annexes)

Assembly class -MSDN

Assembly attributes - MSDN

 * AssemblyAlgorithmIdAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyCompanyAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyConfigurationAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyCopyrightAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyCultureAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyDefaultAliasAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyDelaySignAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyDescriptionAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyFileVersionAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyFlagsAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyInformationalVersionAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyKeyFileAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyTitleAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyTrademarkAttribute class - MSDN

 * AssemblyVersionAttribute class - MSDN

Info classes

 * ConstructorInfo class - MSDN

 * MethodInfo class - MSDN

 * MemberInfo class - MSDN

 * PropertyInfo class - MSDN

 * FieldInfo class - MSDN

 * EventInfo class - MSDN

 * LocalVariableInfo class - MSDN

Binder class and BindingFlags - MSDN

MethodBase class and MethodBody class

 * MethodBase class - MSDN

 * MethodBody class - MSDN

Builder classes

 * AssemblyBuilder class - MSDN

 * ConstructorBuilder class - MSDN

 * EnumBuilder class - MSDN

 * EventBuilder class - MSDN

 * FieldBuilder class - MSDN

 * LocalBuilder class - MSDN

 * MethodBuilder class - MSDN

 * ModuleBuilder class - MSDN

 * ParameterBuilder class - MSDN

 * PropertyBuilder class - MSDN

 * TypeBuilder class - MSDN

Send Electronic mail
Exam objective: Send electronic mail to a Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) server for delivery from a .NET Framework application.

(Refer System.Net.Mail namespace)

MailMessage class - MSDN

MailAddress class and MailAddressCollection class

 * MailAddress class - MSDN

 * MailAddressCollection class - MSDN

SmtpClient class, SmtpPermission class, and SmtpPermissionAttribute class

 * SmtpClient class - MSDN

 * SmtpPermission class - MSDN

 * SmtpPermissionAttribute class - MSDN

Attachment class, AttachmentBase class, and AttachmentCollection class

 * Attachment class - MSDN

 * AttachmentBase class - MSDN

 * AttachmentCollection class - MSDN

SmtpException class, SmtpFailedReceipientException class, and SmtpFailedReceipientsException class

 * SmtpException class - MSDN

 * SmtpFailedReceipientException class - MSDN

 * Please note that there is a typo in the exam objective page here, they use SmtpFailedReceipientException instead of SmtpFailedRecipientException.

 * SmtpFailedRecipientsException class - MSDN

 * Same typo then above

SendCompleteEventHandler delegate - MSDN

LinkedResource class and LinkedResourceCollection class

 * LinkedResource class - MSDN

 * LinkedResourceCollection class - MSDN

AlternateView class and AlternateViewCollection class

 * AlternateView class - MSDN

 * AlternateViewCollection class - MSDN


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VHDL for FPGA Design/4-Bit Shift Register

Simulation results

VHDL-kieli FPGA-suunnittelussa/4-bittinen siirtorekisteri


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Cornstalk Defense
Thanks for your contribution to Wikibooks with your entry on the Cornstalk Defense. If you'll take a look here, you'll see that we have a list of basic openings on a single page, rather than individual entries on each opening. Could you work yours into the list? Thanks, Νεοπτόλεμος 02:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Radiation Oncology
Andrew, thanks for your contributions to the Radiation Oncology wikibook. — Brim (talk) 03:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:68.0.124.33

Welcome!
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Warning
I thought my most recent edit made sense to me at the time -- it was an attempt at a PromptingStatement. But I see now that it was far from clear. In fact, that edit doesn't make any sense.

I'm going to try again. Perhaps if I use actual complete sentences this time, it will make more sense.

Or are you complaining about some other edit I've made? --68.0.124.33 (talk) 18:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry about that. Your "something something something" edit was made during a time when there were a lot of disruptive people on the wiki.  Please accept my apologies. --Jomegat (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous edits and its reverts
Hello,

I know, that there is no such policy, but please - be non-anonymous, while making such changes, as on ERP5Handbook.

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Computers & Society/Annotated Bibliography/Blood 2004

Weblogs have become so ubiquitous that for many of us the term is synonymous with "personal Web site," though many commercial sites now incorporate them, too. For others, they are "sites made with blogging software," which seems obvious, except that some of us still update ours by hand. In either case, the form is familiar: frequently updated, reverse-chronological entries on a single Web page. Spurred by easy-to-use commercial software, blogging is less about creating links and references to sites and sources, and increasingly about bloggers' own comments and personal interests.


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Ancient History/Greece/Mycenaean Civilization

The Mycenaean civilization refers to a Bronze Age civilization on mainland Greece, inhabiting the area from around 1600-1100 BCE. The name "Mycenaean" refers to the city of Mycenae, which was excavated by Heinrich Schliemann beginning in 1876. Schliemann is also well-known for discovering and excavating the city of Troy in Asia Minor, which was at the time believed to be fictional. Mycenaean Greece is the period in which the Iliad and Odyssey are set.

History
Mycenaean civilization originated and evolved from the society and culture of the Early and Middle Bronze Age in mainland Greece under influences from Minoan Crete. These Bronze Age Greeks establish themselves as political units sometime around 1600. The Mycenaeans quite possibly lived under Minoan dominance until around 1400, when they conquered Crete.

Conflicts with Minoans
The Mycenaeans are often cited as one of the contributing factors to the rapid decline of Minoan civilization. The Minoans lived on the Aegean island of Crete and had a naval influence that likely subjugated the Mycenaeans. Around the year 1600 BCE, it is believed that a volcanic eruption on the island of Santorini near Crete devastated the Minoans. The resulting weakness is thought to have allowed the Mycenaeans to overthrow the Minoans and replace them as the dominant culture of the region.

The Iliad

The Classical poet called Homer wrote the Iliad and Odyssey in the 8th or 7th century BCE, long after the Mycenaeans had vanished as a recognizable civilization. Because of this centuries-long gap in time, most scholars agree that Homer's epics cannot be viewed as accurate accounts of Mycenaean culture. It has been verified, however, that many of the places referred to in the Iliad and Odyssey were actual Mycenaean sites, including Troy.

Decline and collapse
Scholars today still do not know the exact reason as to why the Mycenaean civilization collapsed but there are several theories. A common theory used to be that the Dorians invaded the Mycenaeans, however this theory is not believed anymore due to the fact that archeologists have found absolutely no evidence of Dorians in the area. This was mostly a mythical theory which the Greeks came up with. Another theory is the invasion by the "sea people" which was written about many times throughout history by different cultures but this theory also has problems to it because the "sea people" were not a united people; they were from many different places. Other theories that are more plausible include: economic collapse, climate change (drought), or internal uprisings. There may not just be one theory to explain the collapse but it could be a combination of these theories. The aftermath of the collapse allowed the written Mycenaean language (Linear B) to be forgotten (possibly due to a decrease in writing as literature was only used for administrative purposes for the Mycenaeans and a decrease in trade/the manufacturing of supplies meant that nothing needed to be written down anymore), forcing the Greeks to reinvent their writing system centuries later during the Greek Revival period (Late Dark Age). The Greek Revival period also brought a new style of pottery called "sub-Mycenaean pottery" (it was called this because it was very similar to Mycenaean pottery but the craftsmanship was not as good) and later on "geometric pottery" which included geometric designs and was very well-crafted.

Religion
Not a great deal is known about the Mycenaean religion. It has been observed, however, that it was influenced to some degree by that of the Minoans. Many of the Mycenaean gods are recognizable to us as the well-known Classical gods, such as Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Ares, Athena, Dionysus, and Hermes. Notable absences are Apollo, Aphrodite, and Hades.

Art

Mycenaean artwork was influenced, like nearly all other aspects of their civilization, by the Minoans. Pottery, statues, and paintings make up the majority of Mycenaean art. Mycenaeans developed advanced bronze-working techniques, creating swords, shields, and suits of armor.

Architecture
In contrast to the Minoans, the Mycenaean leaders built fortresses — enormous walled structures that contained a megaron like the Minoan palace, but were primarily fortifications for defense. The walls of these structures often stood forty or fifty feet high, and were composed of enormous blocks of stone weighing two to three tons, fitted together without mortar. Fortresses at Tiryns and at Mycenae are considered the best examples of these military structures.

Unlike the Minoans, the Mycenaeans are not known to have built many religious shrines. A sacrificial site on Mount Lykaon sacred to Zeus in the Classical period has recently been found to pre-date Mycenaean occupation of the Greek peninsula or the Peloponnese, but no substantial structures of a religious nature have been identified at Mycenaean sites. Such buildings may have been incorporated into the palace-fortresses, but they are not specifically identified as such.

A Mycenaean common house has been located and identified. Dating from late in the Mycenaean period, it consists of a long, narrow building of posts with wattle-and-daub curtain walls and likely a thatched roof. One end of the house held an entry porch, while the opposite end was rounded and held the likely sleeping quarters. The interior was divided into two rooms, the aforementioned sleeping area farthest from the entrance, and a living area that contained a rudimentary hearth and a food-preparation area. The presence of sheep feces and wool fibers in the porch area suggest that the front entrance was used as a pen for holding animals.

Language
The language spoken by the Mycenaean was an ancestor of modern Greek as shown on the Linear C tablet (the Minoan script from the Linear A tablet). Linear B was deciphered in the early 1950's, and proved to be an ancient form of the modern Greek language. This orthography resembled modern Japanese, in that it was syllabic instead of alphabetic. This form of writing, however, was forgotten during the Dark Ages, leading the Greeks of the classical era to develop a system of writing from the Phoenician model, allowing the alphabetic system to come into use.

Economy
A substantial number of Linear B texts, deal with matters of economic concern — inventories of possessions and lists of goods being brought to and from the palaces or sent out from the palaces. One of the most famous, used in the process of cracking Linear B as a language, lists provisions for the coast guard: apparently the so-called "Palace of Nestor" mounted a seaward watch on the approaches to its landfall, and paid the watchers in food and goods. These records suggest that the palaces were the principal economic engines of the era. They took in raw materials into workshops, where trained artisans produced finished goods, that would then be exchanged with other palaces for the best products of their local regions.


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This is my page here; there are many like it, but this one is mine. -- Whatever. I mostly work on Wikipedia, however one of my friends wants me to help out on Wikibooks, so I guess I'd better make this page look legitimate. Also, since I've just gotten a TI-89 Titanium, I figure I can help work on the TI-Basic wikibook also. :)

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Computers & Society/Annotated Bibliography/Blood 2002

Weblogs--frequently updated, independently produced, and curiously addictive--have become some of the most popular sites on the Web today. The Weblog Handbook is the first book to explain how weblogs work and explore their impact on the media landscape. There is no formula for creating a superb weblog--but there are lessons to be drawn from maintaining one. In The Weblog Handbook, Rebecca Blood draws on her experience as an early participant in the weblog community to share what she has learned in three years of "living online." With a clear and engaging voice, Rebecca explains how to choose among the available tools, even walking the beginner through the process of creating their first weblog. Along the way she answers commonly asked questions concerning weblog etiquette, how to attract readers, and the qualities that make a weblog stand out, alerting the novice to considerations--and pitfalls--they didn't know to ask about. For students of digital culture, The Weblog Handbook provides an account of the history of the movement, an explanation of the "weblog method", and a thoughtful examination of weblogs and journalism. Finally, Rebecca examines how the weblog community has grown and changed, the dangers confronting it, and the ways in which weblogs are affecting and affected by both online and offline culture.


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