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Mayan Calendar predicts that by 2011 our way of living will change drastically, and the economic crisis is right on time. It's only going to get worse, no matter how many loans are given out.

Prepare

DOW finally beats the Nikkei!
But this isn't exactly how I imagined it happening :-/ Fephisto (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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More teenagers attracted to computer crime, say experts

October 28, 2008

Security experts warn more and more teenagers are now into hi-tech computer crime. Alarmingly large number of teenagers are found peddling credit card numbers,  phishing kits and  cracking tips in some Internet forums. The young offenders are very likely to get caught and prosecuted due to their inferior technical skills, claim experts.

Swapping malicious programs, knowledge, stolen data, exploits and virus code are very popular with teenagers exposed to the world of computer crime. Online communities and web forums sharing application cracks, exotic exploits and virus code make it easy for teens to do the illegal activities. Many nuisance programs are written by teenagers to exploit users of social networking sites, says Chris Boyd, director of malware research at FaceTime Security.

"Some are quite crude, some are clever and some are stupid," said Mr Boyd. Attempts to make money by dabbling in cyber crime quite often fails due to a lack of technical skills. "They do not even know enough to get a simple phishing or attack tool right," said Kevin Hogan, a senior manager of Symantec Security Response. The teenagers often end up damaging their own PCs by the viruses they have written.

Teenagers desire to win recognition for their exploits make them post revealing videos in sites such as YouTube. They commonly sign on with the same alias used to crack a site, run a phishing attack or write a web exploit. They are thus easily tracked down by computer security experts.

Mathew Bevan, arrested as a teenager cyber criminal and then acquitted, says teens enjoy the "thrill and power to prove they are somebody". Thus they end up sticking to the same alias, even at a risk of being caught. "The aim of what they are doing is to get the fame within their peer group," he said. "They spend months or years developing who they are and their status. They do not want to give that up freely."

Graham Robb, a board member of the Youth Justice Board, cautions about the life-long stigma on being caught. "If they get a criminal record it stays with them," he said. "A Criminal Records Bureau check will throw that up and it could prevent access to jobs."


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FBI says Jennifer Hudson's nephew found dead

October 27, 2008

The FBI has stated that they believe a dead body found in a white SUV in Chicago, Illinois, is that of 7-year-old Julian King. King was the nephew of American singer and Academy Award winning actress, Jennifer Hudson.

King was kidnapped from his home in Chicago on Friday after someone shot and killed Hudson's mother, Darnell Donerson, 57 and brother, Jason, 29. An AMBER Alert was issued shortly after the incident, and on Sunday, a US$100,000 reward was offered for his safe return.

"[We found a body] who we believe to be the missing victim in Chicago, the nephew of Jennifer Hudson. We are working with Chicago police to get a positive identification of the victim," said the FBI in a statement. An autopsy is scheduled to take place on Tuesday.

Police found the SUV, belonging to Jason, while searching for the boy on Monday. It had been parked in an area of brownstone houses and apartment buildings on the West-side of Chicago. It was found around 7:00 a.m. (CDT). Police searched the vehicle as it matched the description of the SUV sought in connection with the murder, kidnapping.

Police have detained and questioned several people, and some reports say that includes William Balfour, who police previous thought to have kidnapped King. Reports say he is Julia's ex-boyfriend, having since been separated. Police deny that he is a suspect in either the murders or kidnapping and will not confirm or deny if he is or was in custody. So far no charges have been filed against anyone for the crimes.


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US Senator Ted Stevens convicted on 7 counts

October 27, 2008 United States Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska was convicted Monday on seven counts of failing to report gifts. Stevens, a senior United States Senator from Alaska and the longest serving Republican in the Senate, had been accused of not reporting tens of thousands of dollars worth of gifts from the VECO Corporation including free house remodeling. The jury in the District of Columbia found Stevens guilty on all seven counts.

Bill Allen, VECO's CEO, is a longtime friend of Stevens and much of the case involved the specific interaction between Stevens and Allen. Allen had been previously convicted and had agreed to testify against Stevens and to record conversations he had with Stevens. The gifts given to Stevens included a massage chair that Stevens claimed was a loan but prosecutors noted was in Stevens house for over seven years.

Stevens is up for reelection and was facing a tough reelection bid before the convictions. It is unlikely that Stevens will retain his seat in the Senate given the convictions.

Stevens is considered to be a moderate Republican and was a member of the Republican Main Street Partnership. While a long-time Senator with many accomplishments, Stevens is known to many for a speech against net neutrality in which he referred to the internet as a series of tubes.

The New York Times has speculated that out-going United States President George W. Bush might pardon Stevens.


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Net neutrality.
I'm not sure the mention of net neutrality should be on here. It is going to be important to a lot of our readers but it really isn't that major in the great scheme of things. Thoughts? JoshuaZ (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to serve to frame him as an 'old geezer', esp. with the reference to young people, and not exactly in accordance with WN:NPOV. --SVTCobra 01:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. I've taken out the phrase "young people" which gets rid of at least part of that problem. Should we just remove it? JoshuaZ (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd rather see more details of the charges and witness statements, than leave people to judge him on past hilarious metaphors. Imo, the evidence is quite damning. --SVTCobra 02:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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I'm not sure it adds anything to the article? JoshuaZ (talk) 22:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Where?
This article is missing Where (one of the Five Ws) and it is entirely unclear where these teenagers or even the experts are located. Given the digital divide it does not seem possible that these observations are universal. Please clarify. --SVTCobra 01:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * US, UK, Canada, Spain, New Zealand...Should have added some details of recent exploits by teens. There is a recent story, but it was felt that the focus was more on Scientology. Thanks for pointing out the missing 'W' and the reviewer comment (above) on the piece being pretty basic.--  T harikrish  Talk 05:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is missing How. By how much is it increasing, who is measuring it, over what time period. There have been script kiddies for a long time, as far as i can tell this is nothing new. In addition, the first paragraph does not make grammatical sense, and the last paragraph (If you get caught you won't get a job) seems somewhat one sided considering how many of the caught crackers are hired as security consultants. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


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Hi. I've deleted this article because it appeared to be at best a hoax. I was able to find no record of this event occurring and given the claimed element of celebrities I find it hard to believe that such an event would not be reported elsewhere. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

is very real
i saw it on benrik news

What is Benrik news? Do you have a link? JoshuaZ (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

www.thiswebsitewillchangeyourlife.com

Which redirects to an apparent personal page with no sign of the article. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Acting teacher and director Milton Katselas dies at age 75

October 28, 2008

Acting teacher and director Milton Katselas died Friday at age 75, after suffering from heart failure at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. He began the Beverly Hills Playhouse in 1978 and taught acting classes there to noted actors including George Clooney and Gene Hackman. Katselas is survived by a sister and two brothers.

Katselas directed an off-Broadway production of Edward Albee's The Zoo Story, and received a Tony Award nomination for his 1969 direction of Butterflies are Free. Actress Blythe Danner won a Tony Award for her role in Butterflies are Free under Katselas' direction. He moved to California to direct the film version of that play, and went on to direct films and television movies. Actress Eileen Heckart received an Academy Award for her role in the film version of Butterflies are Free.

Katselas directed the San Francisco and Los Angeles productions of the play P.S. Your Cat Is Dead! by playwright James Kirkwood, Jr. In his author's notes in the publication of the script, Kirkwood acknowledged Katselas, and wrote that the plays were "directed with incredible energy and enthusiasm by Milton Katselas, to whom I am extremely indebted".

Katselas directed the television movie Strangers: Story of a Mother and Daughter, and actress Bette Davis received an Emmy Award for her role in the movie. Katselas taught many famous actors including Michelle Pfeiffer, Richard Gere, Robert Duvall, Jack Lemmon, Al Pacino, Goldie Hawn, Christopher Walken, Burt Reynolds, George C. Scott, Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Alec Baldwin, and Patrick Swayze. Katselas was credited with being able to nurture actors with raw talent so that they could develop strong Hollywood careers. He utilized innovative techniques in his courses - one course called "Terrorist Theatre" had a simple premise: successfully get an acting role within six weeks or leave the course.

He grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to parents who had immigrated from Greece, and graduated from Carnegie Mellon. He studied acting with Lee Strasberg in New York at the Actors Studio, and received advice from directors Joshua Logan and Elia Kazan.

Katselas was a prominent Scientologist, and a July 2007 profile on Katselas in The New York Times Magazine observed that some of his students stopped taking courses at the Beverly Hills Playhouse because they felt they had been pressured to join the Church of Scientology. According to the article, Katselas credited Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard "for much of his success in life", and one of his students works at Scientology's Celebrity Centre. The article commented that some in Los Angeles view the Beverly Hills Playhouse as "a recruitment center for Scientology".

Katselas met L. Ron Hubbard after moving to California, and began studying Scientology in 1965. The New York Times Magazine reported that he had reached the level of "Operating Thetan, Level 5, or O.T. V." in 2007. According to The New York Times Magazine when Scientologists proceed up the "The Bridge to Total Freedom" they learn the story of Xenu, and that: "75 million years ago the evil alien Xenu solved galactic overpopulation by dumping 13.5 trillion beings in volcanoes on Earth, where they were vaporized, scattering their souls." A Church of Scientology publication, Source, lists Katselas as reaching O.T. V. in 1989.

Though some actors felt pressured to join the Church of Scientology after taking courses at the Beverly Hills Playhouse, at least one individual felt Katselas was not active enough with the organization. Actress Jenna Elfman left the Beverly Hills Playhouse because she felt Katselas was not committed enough to Scientology. Katselas had previously directed Elfman in half of Visions and Lovers: Variations on a Theme, two one-act plays about relationships that he had written himself. In 1999 Katselas had planned to adapt the script of Visions and Lovers to a film version, and Elfman was set to reprise her role from the play. In an article in Variety about the project, Elfman commented on her experience working with Katselas: "He is brilliant, and knows me so well as a person and an actress that he gets the most out of me."

Other prominent Scientologist actors who have studied under Katselas include Giovanni Ribisi, Jason Lee, and Leah Remini. According to Rolling Stone, Katselas also recruited actress Kelly Preston to Scientology. Actress Nancy Cartwright (the voice of Bart Simpson), told Scientology publication Celebrity that Katselas motivated her to get more active in Scientology, and she stated she took the organization's "Purification Rundown" and her life "took off completely".

Anne Archer was introduced to Scientology while studying at the Beverly Hills Playhouse, as was former Scientologist and now outspoken critic actor Jason Beghe. Beghe told Roger Friedman of FOX News in April 2008 that "He [Katselas] gets kickbacks", and that he was brought to a Scientology center by fellow Beverly Hills Playhouse classmate Bodhi Elfman, Jenna Elfman's husband. In a 1998 article for Buzz Magazine, Randye Hoder wrote "In his class, Katselas is careful not to label anything as a tenet of Scientology, but there is no question that the church's influence seeps into the playhouse."

Anne Archer's husband and fellow Scientologist, producer Terry Jastrow, commented to The New York Times Magazine that Katselas changed the way he experiences life on a day-to-day basis: "I go out in the world and look at human behavior now. I see a woman or man interacting with a saleslady, and I see the artistry in it. Life is an endless unspooling of art, of acting, of painting, of architecture. And where did I learn that? From Milton."

Actor Anthony Head of Buffy the Vampire Slayer spoke highly of Katselas in a 2002 interview with San Francisco Chronicle: "He's this wonderfully intuitive teacher and his premise is basically: The only real barriers are the ones we put in front of ourselves. If you say, 'My character wouldn't do that' -- bollocks! Ultimately it's you who wouldn't say that. Who knows what your character might do." In the acknowledgements of her 2004 autobiography Are You Hungry, Dear?: Life, Laughs, and Lasagna, actress Doris Roberts wrote: "I thank my friend and acting teacher, the incredible Milton Katselas, for his insights, wisdom, and inspiration, which have helped make me the actress that I am."

Katselas authored two books: Dreams Into Action: Getting What You Want, first published in 1996 by Dove Books, and Acting Class: Take a Seat, which came out earlier this month. Dreams Into Action, a New York Times Bestseller, sought to modify motivational acting exercises to the field of business.

In an interview in the 2007 book Acting Teachers of America, Katselas commented on his experiences as an acting teacher over the years: "I have very special teachers here at the Beverly Hills Playhouse—some have been with me for over twenty-five years. I believe that to make a difference over the long haul, we need to train teachers. I really care about the craft of acting. It's absolutely necessary to take the time and patience to really develop an actor."


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Some minor bits of info sourced directly to publications from the Scientology organization, but I didn't think it significant enough to merit the OR tag. Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This may
This may put too much emphasis on the scientology. The Variety article discusses a lot of other accomplishements. I've expanded some things slightly and tried to justify in more detail why we can talk about the Scientology aspect so much. What do people think? JoshuaZ (talk) 01:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you feel that way I am glad you have added more, instead of removing material. As can be seen from the Sources list, many different media publications have written heavily on this over the years. For some reason I cannot access the Variety source at this moment, though I could a short while ago, if you want to add more stuff feel free. Cirt (talk) 01:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If Scientology is what he was and his school then it is what it is...that cannot be changed. I don't think there is too much because that was his most prominent background. I think it looks good. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there is a ridiculous amount of emphasis on Scientology in what ought be a simple obituary. Compare with his Wikipedia page. --SVTCobra 01:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * His Wikipedia page is completely unsourced and should actually have much more emphasis on this. As I have said, above, this is something that has been reported on in multiple different media sources throughout the years. Cirt (talk) 01:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I added some additional info in a quote from producer Terry Jastrow at the bottom, in a new paragraph. Cirt (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

HYS
Regarding, I think the HYS question should be specific to this case. Many different media publications have written about this controversy with regards to this acting teacher and this acting school using this influence to recruit for this organization. Cirt (talk) 01:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm a little concerned that it places further emphasis on scientology and possibly takes the non-neutral stance that Scientology is qualitatively different from other religions or organizations. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This article does not discuss other organizations, just the Scientology organization, and so the HYS question should be specific to that organization. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh. True but not sure that's relevant. It is a general issue. Scientology has little to do with it specifically. It isn't such a big deal that I'll object any further unless anyone else shares the concern. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. I respectfully disagree and think that this is not an issue related to other controversial movements or organizations - I do not know of any other that has drawn this much attention in the media for reportedly influencing and recruiting in an acting school. Cirt (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This sentence needs copyediting
Katselas was crediting with being able to take raw talent and nurture it into acting skill as well as for helping his students find roles in Hollywood.
 * First off "was crediting" should be "was credited". Also, credited - by who, or according to what source? Cirt (talk) 01:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct on the gram. That sentence was my summary of material in the NYT article. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've rephrased it slightly so it involves less synthesis. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Better, thanks. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Review - Not Passed

 * I would add that the most important fact of the story (Katselas passing) is only supported by a single source. Until that is fixed, it should fail verifiability as well. --SVTCobra 02:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I am in the process of expanding and adding some additional material to the article from some more sources. Cirt (talk) 05:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Update
Since the above review, I have greatly expanded the article, utilizing material from an additional nine sources. As far as the above comment about verifiability, Variety is a respected media publication and as a secondary source it is sufficient for this purpose. Cirt (talk) 07:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Review
Well I have gone through the article and it was a bit biased previously but it seems like Cirt has fixed that aspect of it and now I can see that its well written, well sourced and unbiased and the writing style and settings is excellent as well..I believe it can and should be published now...-- Cometstyles 07:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is still only one source for Katselas' death.--SVTCobra 11:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rolled back for lack of a formal peer reviewed template. --TUFKAAP (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The "peer review" template is not a requirement, simply a suggestion to make the review easier. The note above by was sufficient. Cirt (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Family
Isn't it customary to mention family in an obituary? --SVTCobra 16:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cirt (talk) 17:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

single source

 * first, out of the dozen sources listed, how is this single sourced? Please explain. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The crux of the story is that Milton is dead. There is only one source for that! I have pointed this out twice above, but nobody cared and the publication was pushed through. Every story must have two current sources. --SVTCobra 16:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well instead of trying to detail everything wrong with something, fix it. It took me a whole 10 seconds to find another source. Honestly there was no reason to un-publish this when all that it deeded was one source...i mean lets be a little more realistic about these things. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * If it was so simple, why didn't you do it when you pretended to check for verifiability? I pointed out the problem TWICE above. --SVTCobra 16:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well why didn't it get fixed when it was noticed earlier? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I commented on this above. Yes, for one fact in the article, it had relied on a secondary source, Variety, an extremely respected publication in the entertainment industry and in media. But the bulk of the article always utilized multiple sources. Cirt (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter how reliable the source (but for hard news Variety is not as well respected as you say ... it's a trade magazine). It is policy to have two sources. --SVTCobra 17:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There are and were more than two sources utilized for the article at all times, as stated above. Are you saying that every single sentence in the article should be backed up by two sources? Cirt (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * At any rate, it is a moot point now. Cirt (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See my first comment. The crux of the story must be verifiable by two current sources. It is impossible/impractical to do so for all background information.--SVTCobra 17:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Respectfully disagree. Sure if we only had one primary source, we should use two independent primary sources for confirmation, but in this case when the newsworthiness is obvious and we are relying on a cited secondary source for the information, that should be sufficient if it is a respected media publication. Cirt (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

ISBN magic link
editprotected This page uses two ISBN magic links, a feature which is likely to be replaced sometime soon per the RFC on Mediawiki. In the References, please enclose the word ISBN, and the number immediately after it, inside the ISBN template e.g., which should have no outward effect but ensures that the link to Special:BookSources is maintained when the magic link is deprecated. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Is this stale? Also, please get rid of the "red links". Cheers,--SVTCobra 01:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Cirt fixed. It is a bit stale, but that's why it should get out there now. It only hit the papers in print on Thursday. News has been published in a much more stale state before. —Calebrw (talk) 01:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whenever saving these somewhat stale stories, please check if there are new developments from newer sources. --SVTCobra 02:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Source added, but not used in the article?
- Why is this sourced added to the article, if it is not used as a source in the article body text itself? Cirt (talk) 01:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me a second, please. --SVTCobra 02:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am assuming that this is info sourced to the 27 October Associated Press source, so nevermind. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct. --SVTCobra 02:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Cirt (talk) 02:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Non-sentence
The third paragraph starts: The homes of senator Amy Klobuchar, and U.S. representatives Michele Bachmann, Keith Ellison, John Kline and Jim Ramstad. This is not a sentence, please fix. --SVTCobra 02:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

✅ Fixed. Thanks. —Calebrw (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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Is it appropriate to recruit for Scientology in an acting school?
Add comments below. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a terrible, misleading question. It should be removed from this article. It was neither the point of his career nor a part of his teaching. I studied with Milton for nine years and was never ever approached by him or anyone else who works at the Beverly Hills Playhouse to become a scientologist or anything relating to that church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyplumley (talk • contribs) 03:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Try reading some of the multiple different secondary sources that discuss this controversial issue. Cirt (talk) 04:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * This is a horrible thing to do, but just like what the Church of Scientology teaches every Scientologist to do:"Sell books, make people into Scientologist, and make them sell books." The worlds largest pyramid scheme...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.2.161 (talk) 03:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Waste of time article as nobody will be interested. Good thing he's dead, no more celebrity recruitment.Ccas (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

No it is not fucking appropriate to recruit for Scientology in an acting school. They are a bunch of fags who deserve to have their miniscule balls ripped out with fish hooks.


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Two men arrested in Tennessee for plot to kill Obama and school children

October 29, 2008 The United States federal law enforcement agency, ATF, had two young men in the state of Tennessee arrested by the local Crockett County sheriff's department on October 22 on unspecified charges.

In court documents published on Monday, it came to light that the men allegedly had discussed committing a school shooting at a predominately African-American school and beheading 14 of them.

Another alleged plot involved the assassination of Presidential candidate Barack Obama. According to affidavits, the suspects' "final act of violence" would be when they assaulted Obama while wearing white tuxedos and top hats and driving "their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows." The two suspects are Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Arkansas and Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee. According to court papers, they met last month over the internet through a mutual friend. Schlesselman and Cowart are alleged to share "very strong views" about White Power.

Schlesselman listed "being racist" as his occupation on his MySpace page. He further wrote: "I'm white. I'm proud. I get angry. I like guns. I like weapons. I need money wiggers ... be afraid."

Cowart also had a MySpace page on which photos of weapons were presented under a heading of "My Guns". On his page he wrote, "Better to die quick fighting on your feet then [sic] to live forever begging on your knees."

Some have questioned the pair's ability to carry out the alleged schemes, but authorities have been very concerned about Obama as the first black presidential nominee from a major party.

"We honestly don’t know if they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out the kind of plan that they talked about," said Malcolm Wiley, of the United States Secret Service in an interview with The New York Times. "But we take any threat seriously no matter how big or how small it is."

Cowart and Schlesselman are scheduled to appear before a judge on Thursday. They are being held without bond. No co-conspirators have been found or alleged.


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I made an attempt at saving this article through a major rewrite using more sources. I put it up for a new review. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, sorry, I've been busy and did not have nearly enough time to put more work into it. --Poisonous (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


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What about the try to kill Obama on October 27 2008 ?.--193.145.201.53 06:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * http://www.truthout.org/article/threat-kill-obama-downplayed
 * http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/obama-assassina.html
 * http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/58581/White-supremacist-gang-arrested-over-plot-to-kill-Obama
 * http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/10/27/index.html
 * http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-skinhead1028.artoct28,0,3017277.story

Why do you discriminate Obama´s news (specially, about tries to kill him ?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.145.201.53 (talk) 06:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

See also :
 * White supremacist
 * Skinhead
 * sawn-off shotgun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.145.201.53 (talk) 06:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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Hey everyone, call me MIRev. I'll try to add what I can but from the looks of it you are doing a pretty spiffy job keeping the news up-to-date.

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Comments:More teenagers attracted to computer crime, say experts

no it's not true completely

Our tax money is already paying for our courtrooms to be full months in advance. The point of online communication is, i hate to say it, FREEDOM. Its a whole new world, there are no guidelines, and if you try to make some, some guy in his basement will bypass it. So really, unless someone is physically affected, just leave the nerds alone. Its all the people without the ability to get a girlfriend have left —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.255.137 (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Leave them alone? I wonder if you would be so quick to dismiss their actions if it was your money they stole or computer they crashed? By all means learn how to become more electronically savvy, but figure out to tap into the billions of legitimate money instead of being the virtual version of a petty thief! It may be more difficult to see the ramifications of cyber-crime but I promise you it hurts people the same way off-line crime does. If they really want to make a name for themselves they can go learn how to write the next great program that people want to use or a video game. ~Fallenscathed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.169.155.236 (talk) 05:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well stealing money and crashing computers is two different things - stealing money, throw 'em in jail, imho. but crashing computers I feel deserves more of suspend access to computers, as: No one got hurt (if someone got hurt because a kid crashed a life-critical computer, the idiot who hooked the computer up to the internet should be fired), and its partially the fault of the computer owner for not securing their computer properly. Thats not to say its entirely, or even mostly the computer owners fault, but they share a little of the blame. If you don't want bad things to happen, don't hook your computer up to an untrusted network, unless you're sure the network can't hurt you, and/or you have backup a plenty. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmph, goes to show that narcissism is inbred into the society. 11:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC) White Mage Cid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.93.4.92 (talk)

XDAR: Is are country not worry what danger these kids can actually couse. Why do kids do this for money, atention, boredom, or the thought of having power something they can actually control? Just a thought though but wouldint it be simple to solve this problem even just by a little if parents pay more atention to their children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.170.192.21 (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Ebaums World
Ebaums is behind everything. 207.190.244.74 17:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This. Wertherugbe (talk) 23:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Homes of six Minnesota politicians vandalized

"There's no place for this unacceptable behavior in our political process, or in our communities,"

What, corruption?


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Arctic ice thickness decreasing, suggests satellite data study

October 28, 2008

A recent study based on satellite radar altimetry indicates drastic thinning of  Arctic ice during the winter of 2007. It was found that the ice thickness had been fairly constant for the five previous winters. The researchers were able to highlight widespread ice thinning in areas covered by both old and young ice. This thinning constitutes the most severe since records started being taken in the early 1990s.

The study by scientists of University College London has been published in the journal  Geophysical Research Letters. The work provides the first definitive proof for overall decrease in Arctic ice volume, claim the authors.

The researchers have found that last winter's ice thickness represented a decrease of an average of 26 centimeters below the 2002-2008 winter average. The greatest decline of 49 centimeters was in the western Arctic, which could explain the region's becoming relatively ice-free this summer, allowing it to be open to shipping for the first time in 30 years. The record low of ice thickness during summer happened when the weather was not abnormally warm.

Katharine Giles, the lead author, points out that the study used satellite data sets, which had a number of advantages over other methods. Previous studies have used measurements from drilling, or submarine and airborne surveys. These studies could be severely limited by time and space. The present study utilized continuous, all-weather, day-and-night radar altimeter data from the European Space Agency's  Envisat satellite. The study measured ice thickness from October to March, 2007, over more than half of the Arctic.

There has been considerable uncertainty over the causes of ice loss in the Arctic. It has been debated that ice could have been piled up against the coast, thus reducing the sea ice extent. Measurements of the ice thickness, as in the present study, give definite proof for ice melting. "So this means melting; it doesn't mean that the ice has just been pushed up against the coastline," remark Seymour Laxon, co-author of the paper. The conclusions of the study can help predict what could happen with the ice cover in future. Deflection of sunlight by the Arctic ice cap could be reduced, leading to larger areas of water, which can absorb heat. Warmer temperatures will in turn promote more ice melting. "About five years ago, the average projection for the sea ice disappearing was about 2080", said Dr Laxon. "But the ice minimums, and this evidence of melting, suggests that we should favor the models that suggest the sea ice will disappear by 2030-2040, but there is still a lot of uncertainty."


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Comments:Arctic ice thickness decreasing, suggests satellite data study

Aaargh. Why are people so crappy?

I am curious and would like to know which projections are being referred to in terms of 2030-2040 projections

2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.255.137 (talk) 00:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This is what I think.
Good post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.188.127 (talk) 05:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

We only have a few more years to live before Global Warming gets us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.165.97.205 (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


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OMM Coverage
Thanks, If you wanted to follow up on this story, it's almost certain there will be SOME kind of enquiry. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit removals
From the discussion that took place, it was seemingly because they were edits to an article older than 24 hours. see here http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:UK_mountain_run_abandoned_as_participants_seek_shelter_from_appalling_conditions,

Please do not take the removal personally, as it was a well intentioned edit, from what I can tell. However Wikinews, tries to focus on active news, and the story concerned was a couple of days old at the time you made your edits. Wikinews being a news service, is not like Wikipedia, in which articles are written for the longer term. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * If you want to make use of the source you found, you could include some comments on the relevant Wikipedia article ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to explain, if you will. The article you edited was from October 25. You added sources and events/news from October 28. Wikinews likes to see itself as a newspaper and its old editions as an archive of what was known then ... therefore we do not "change yesterday's edition" even if it was wrong (we might put a disclaimer on it) and we do not update articles with more recent events. If new news occurs, we write a new article. Cheers, I hope to see more contributions from you. --SVTCobra 01:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Err, any particular reason why all my edits got removed? --Johnellis (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The aftermath
The OMM is a 40 year old international event for teams of two with significant mountain experience; novices are not allowed to enter. Each team must be fully equipped with body cover, tent, sleeping bags, food, stoves, maps, compass etc. for the 2 day event.

A combined investigation has been held by the local professional bodies into the response and future response to such situations. The bulk of the media reporting at the time was based on Mr Weir's live contact with the BBC Newsroom. Most of the reporting has since been discredited by those close to the event as sensational and lacking facts. For example, Peter Sissons who was presenting the BBC News, erroneously described the event as a "charity walk". However, it is important to note that Mr Weir responded without hesitation to a rapidly developing situation in exceptional weather conditions.

The contents of the article above should be read in this context.

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Comments:FBI says Jennifer Hudson's nephew found dead

why
why do something like that. kidnap a kid. that's cruel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob and bill (talk • contribs) 23:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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i am so sad about this for someone so young to die but god has better plans for him i hear ya

didn't they find him in a white truck

MY OPINON
I THINK THIS STORY IS HORRIFIC!!! WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT TO INNOCENT PEOPLE ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE BOY..I FEEL SO SORRY FOR JENNIFER HUDSON AND HER FAMILY. I AM A HUGE FAN OF HERS AND I JUSS WISH THIS NEVER HAPPEN TO HER. SHE WAS SO HAPPY THAT SHE WAS WINNING ALL THOSE AWARDS KNOWING SHE HAD MORE WONDERFUL THINGS HAPPENING. THEN THIS TRAGEDY OCCURS, BUT I KNOW IT MAY BE HARD TO GET THROUGH BUT ALWAYS REMEBER GOD IS ALWAYS ON YOUR SIDE... MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

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why would they kill Jennifer Hudson s nephew

Murderers need to be locked up and just throw away the key. My heart goes out to Jennifer Hudson and her family ,you all are in my prayers.


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Syria files UN Security Council complaint after US raid

October 30, 2008 In the aftermath of a United States within Syria on October 26, the country has filed a complaint with the United Nations Security Council to prevent further breaches of Syria's borders. Calling the operation a "terrorist aggression," Syria has alleged that eight civilians were killed in the raid, which was launched from neighboring Iraq.

"Syria draws attention to this aggressive act and expects the UN Security Council and member countries to assume their responsibility by preventing a repetition of this dangerous violation," read a letter to the UN Security Council. It called for the UN "to hold the aggressor responsible for the deaths of the innocent Syrian nationals." In a press briefing on Tuesday,, the , refused to comment on the raid. The (DoS) has issued no official comment.

However, a US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told that the raid was targeting  lieutenant Abu Ghadiya.

"It was a successful operation," said the official. "He [Abu Ghadiya] is believed to be dead. This undoubtedly will have a debilitating effect on this foreign fighter smuggling network."

A second US government source told Reuters that no women or children were killed. Yet, Syria has claimed that three children were killed.

The Syrian government said it has ordered the closure of an educational facility known as the Damascus Community School and the American Culture Center in response to the raid. The school serves foreign students in Syria's capital,, and is less than 200 feet from the US embassy. As of Wednesday, is reporting both facilities as still open.

"We expect the Syrian government to provide adequate security for the buildings in which the American Cultural Center and Damascus Community School are housed," said DoS spokesperson Robert Wood.

The United States has long claimed that Syria is not doing enough to secure its borders with Iraq and that foreign fighters are joining the insurgency in Iraq through routes along this border.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said, Iraq objects to its land being used for attacks on other countries but hopes Syria will become more vigilant against certain groups.

"Syria is awaiting official explanations from the US and Iraqi governments on this unacceptable violation of Syrian sovereignty before taking additional measures," said Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister.

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Deadly quake hits southwestern Pakistan

October 29, 2008 A deadly earthquake has hit the Balochistan region of south western Pakistan. The magnitude 6.4 quake struck approximately 70km north of Quetta at 04:09 local time (23:09 UTC), and had a depth of 10km.

Government officials have reported that many houses collapsed due to both the earthquake and the landslides that it spawned. More than 160 people have been reported killed so far, with at least 200 injured. It is expected that the death toll will rise as the rescue and recovery continues.

According to officials the worst struck areas are: Ziarat, Pishin, Qila Abdullah, Chaman, Loralai,Sibbi, and Mastung.

Seventy-three years ago Quetta was almost completely destroyed in an earthquake, and death toll was about 35,000 people.

In October 2005, during the holy month of Ramadan, more than 75,000 people were killed in an earthquake in north-west Pakistan, and around 100,000 people wounded. More then half a million people lost their homes.

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Viewed wins the 2008 Melbourne Cup

November 4, 2008

Bart Cummings wins his 12th Melbourne Cup with Viewed ridden by Blake Shin. Bauer, ridden by C W Brown, was second after the photo finish, with C’est La Guerre ridden by B Prebble coming third. Honolulu was the last placed horse.

Cummings began training in 1953. His first Cup win was with Light Fingers in 1965. This win is his 250th group one win.

Today's 148th Melbourne Cup field of 24 was reduced after the scratchings of Yellowstone and Zarita, withdrawn by its trainer Pat Hyland on Monday due to a respiratory infection. The English horse Yellowstone was scratched later in the day by a veterinarian after failing to recover from a hip injury sustained last week.

The race began with Irish trainer Aidan O'Brien's 3 horses Septimus (an early race favourite and $7 chance), Honolulu, and Alessandro Volta setting a cracking pace for a large part of the race before fading badly at the turn into the straight to occupy 3 of the last 5 places. From there Viewed stormed clear before Bauer pulled it back in the last 50 yards to go down by a nose, in one of the closest finishes to a Melbourne Cup in the race's history.

The race was watch by an estimated 105,000 at Flemington Racecourse with many more across the country stopping to watch the race on television.

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Talk:Viewed wins the 2008 Melbourne Cup

Things to watch for; be guided by the sources if more than two note it in their race article its worth including here. Also when you think the article is ready you'll need to move the this page to its title, use live chat(IRC) link in the toolbox to get someone(admin) to do this. Gnangarra (talk) 12:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * repeat winner,
 * horse from a previous cup winning,
 * Also the winner of another spring carnival race winning(this will be high lighted in media reports)
 * Weather having an impact, currently forecast is for rain. I can remember a recent cup where the car parks were flooded and you couldnt see the back straight
 * anything unusual in other races

Peer Review
It is hard to believe that this passed review without the discrepancies in the sources section being noticed. --SVTCobra 01:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:US Senator Ted Stevens convicted on 7 counts

He should be sentenced to 1000 hours of community service unclogging the tubes. --204.81.230.186 13:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Its not a big truck
Its, its a series of scandals! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.152.145 (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Two men arrested in Tennessee for plot to kill Obama and school children

This is why we need strict gun control. Inbred, Ignorant, and racist fucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.69.2 (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This is why we need the Right to Bear Arms. Inbred, Ignorant, and racist fucks. Shane.Bell (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Any alleged attempt or intention to commit an assault is motivation for the alleged conspirators to commit an offence,wether they have the capability to do so or not. This can only be ascertained after the attempt has been made.So in my opinion this does not lessen the danger of comitting such a heinous crime, and the conpirators shoud be dealt with strictly.--117.99.9.7 15:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm kind of worried about Obama's possible presidency. If he becomes the first African-American to take office, I believe assassination is imminent.

YEEEEEHAW, get with the times, boys. So what if hes black? If I took black paint and covered you in it, you would be black too. It's just skin, I dunno why people are so worried about that stuff.

A pair of disgruntled teens posting threats about things they hate and don't understand. Then they figure that it would be easy to solve there "problems" through violence because thats the most cinematic and dramatic way they could think of. idiots both of them.

Paul Schlesselman and Daniel Cowart are nerds and shits!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.160.105.10 (talk) 07:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Forensics issues
There are some interesting features of this case. First, in my country there is racism, but it is not enough to kill people. Secondly, I want to know who sell them weapons. And finally, it cause me nausea stupid creeps who want to kill people (regardless their age), because meaningless reason like religion, sexual preferences or race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hedleypanama (talk • contribs) 11:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow
This kid is a shame, I love how he took a quote from a lamb of god song and applied it to his racist, close minded perspective. What a shit.


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Mars orbiter finds widespread evidence of water-bearing minerals

October 29, 2008

The has found evidence of hydrated silica or, a form of mineral, over large areas in the Martian surface, including in the large martian canyon called. The discovery was made by the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer instrument on the orbiter. The findings are published by Ralph Milliken of Jet Propulsion Laboratory and other scientists in the November issue of the journal. Opaline minerals were first found recently on Mars by in the. The present find points to more widespread occurrence of the minerals in comparatively younger strata of Mars. The find indicates that liquid water might have been present on the surface of Mars for a longer time than previously thought. The previous view was that liquid water disappeared from the Martian surface three billion years ago. Now it is estimated that water could have been present as late as two billion years ago.

The presence of opal not only indicates water, but also that it was there long enough to alter some of the rocks. CRISM, which detected the mineral measures visible and infrared reflection spectra in 544 channels and has 20 times better resolution than previously deployed instruments.

Hydrated minerals such as opal that indicate presence of water is yet another evidence of presence of liquid water on Mars. Opal found on Earth's surface usually contain 3 – 10% water, but can be as high as 20%. Other water-bearing minerals found earlier are and hydrated sulfates. Presence of liquid water is also suggested by suspected water-sculpted land forms on Mars, such as gullies and river channels. Currently water is present only as ice at both polar caps of Mars.

A number of outcrops of opaline minerals are found as thin layers over large distances, rimming the Valles Marineris canyon. It is expected that Martian explorations for past or present life will have to focus on similar younger terrains with hydrated minerals.

"This is an exciting discovery because it extends the time range for liquid water on Mars, and the places where it might have supported life," said Scott Murchie, from in Maryland, one of the co-authors.


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So there is "ZERO physical evidence" that this is a mental problem, hmmm? Do you have an ulterior motive or are you being deliberately ironic?

Perhaps I should clarify - obviously people have addictions that are observable hence physical evidence, but saying an activity is a disease is not only lacking in scientific authenticity due to the COMPLETE and TOTAL lack of any organic or other physical evidence but is also an affront to logic. Take a PHYSICAL addiction to a hard drug - there are actual chemical reactions occurring organically that create a need for the drug, these are measurable using existing scientific procedures and knowledge. NO SUCH procedure exists for mental disease. There is no bioposy or scientific tests to determine the much touted psychiatric hypothesis of "chemical imbalances" and the only "test" used is PURELY and 100% SUBJECTIVE.--Crokodile (talk) 20:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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October 31, 2008 At least thirteen bombs were set off in the northeastern state of Assam in India on Thursday. The blasts went off shortly before noon IST (UTC+5:30) at market places and government buildings in the state capital Guwahati and surrounding area.

Reports say that so far 77 people have been confirmed killed and between 200 and 300 injured. 41 of the victims were in Guwahati, 21 in Kokrajhar and 15 in Barpeta.

Assam has been the scene of separatist insurgencies for years, most notably by United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) which was outlawed by the Indian government in 1990. The Associated Press says over 10,000 people have died in separatist violence in the past decade.

The ULFA has denied any involvement, reported the Press Trust of India. Instead, a previously unheard of group, calling itself Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen (ISF-IM) claimed responsibility in a text message to a television station. The message included a warning of future attacks.

Later, people who were apparently upset about the bombings, started rioting in the streets of Guwahati and throwing stones at vehicles. They also torched at least two fire engines. Police shut down roads and implemented a curfew in response to the unrest.

Shakeel Ahmad of the Ministry of Home Affairs said conditions in Assam were "very volatile, the government was on high alert and, even then, this has happened."

In the past, the government has blamed similar attacks on Islamic militants based in nearby Bangladesh.

Ban Ki-moon, the secretary-general of the United Nations condemned the attack in a statement.

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David Tennant announces exit from Doctor Who

October 30, 2008

Actor David Tennant made an announcement Wednesday at the National Television Awards in the United Kingdom that he will end his time portraying the Tenth Doctor on the long-running BBC science fiction drama Doctor Who in 2009. The announcement came as part of Tennant's speech accepting the outstanding drama performance award at the program.

Tennant, 37, is currently portraying the lead in a production of Hamlet with the Royal Shakespeare Company, and accepted the award by videolink. He was up against Doctor Who co-star Catherine Tate, who portrayed his companion Donna Noble. Doctor Who was recognized with the award for most popular drama program.

"I love this part, and I love this show so much that if I don't take a deep breath and move on now I never will, and you'll be wheeling me out of the Tardis in my bath chair," said Tennant in his address to the audience in attendance at the Royal Albert Hall. "TARDIS" refers to the time machine and spacecraft operated by Tennant's character known only as "the Doctor", and stands for Time And Relative Dimension In Space.

Tennant will again inhabit the TARDIS as the Tenth Doctor for the upcoming Doctor Who Christmas special, "The Next Doctor", and will portray the Doctor in four additional specials set to air in 2009. A new actor will play the Doctor for the program's 2010 series.

Tennant had initially been interested in portraying the Doctor in the 2005 series, but that role went to Christopher Eccleston. The series had previously been dormant since 1996, with Paul McGann in the lead role. Tennant has said that it was his childhood dream to play the Doctor. This is not his first time being recognized at the National Television Awards for his role as the Doctor. In 2006 he received the award for most popular actor, and again in 2007. In 2006 Tennant beat out actor Tom Baker as the favorite doctor, in a survey of readers of Doctor Who Magazine.

The Doctor comes from a race of Timelords, and has the ability to "regenerate" and change appearance when his health is failing. Actors including Russell Tovey, James Nesbitt, Paterson Joseph, John Simm and David Morrissey have been mentioned in the media as possibilities to portray the 11th incarnation of the Doctor.

Russell T. Davies, the program's current executive producer, commented to BBC News on the end of the Tenth Doctor and his work with Tennant: "I've been lucky and honoured to work with David over the past few years - and it's not over yet, the Tenth Doctor still has five spectacular hours left! After which, I might drop an anvil on his head. Or maybe a piano. A radioactive piano. But we're planning the most enormous and spectacular ending, so keep watching." Steven Moffat will replace Davies as executive director of Doctor Who in 2010.

Tennant began his work as an actor with roles in theatre, and progressed to starring roles on television programs including Blackpool and Casanova. He has recently returned to theatre roles with the Royal Shakespeare Company, and has received praise for his work in Hamlet and Love's Labour's Lost.


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Who should portray the next Doctor?
Thoughts? Cirt (talk) 09:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Eddie Izzard. He would be fantastic. --Riche (talk) 11:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly...I don't know...I am trying to think of an American actor, and off the top of my head, cannot think of someone. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * An American actor?!? /me shoots DragonFire1024 with a sawn-off shotgun! --Brian McNeil / talk 15:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well yes. I don't know many British actors :-P DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

How about...
A Black Doctor? --TUFKAAP (talk) 15:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * There are rumours that the next Dr will be black. Paterson Joseph is rumoured to be the next Dr in the series in 2010. Upperclassman (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd quite like paterson Joseph as the doctor if it weren't for the fact he's already appeared in the series. Personally I think the morrissey 'next doctor' storyline will be exactly that:- moffat has apparently had input on the specials and the idea of having the doctor meet his future self before he actually regenerates into him in a later special seems like a very moffatish move. 86.144.63.215 —Preceding comment was added at 17:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I'm Ready For The 11th Doctor
...because the 10th Doctor has been an annoying, sermonizing git for too long. I mean really, what he did to Hand Doctor/10.5/Clone Doctor was just terrible. There was a point that I loved 10, but certain writers have just ruined him on me.

I also second the suggestion of Eddie Izzard as the 11th.

Why not Who?
I personally, and I'm sure others will, want to know why David Tennant has decided to leave the role of Doctor Who? Would have liked to see Tennant play the Doctor for several more seasons/series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.146.113 (talk) 12:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read the article, you will know why Tennant decided to leave. --216.75.93.110 13:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

the "Doctor Who" show opinion about "David Tennant
I hate that the fact the David has to leave the [Dotor Who] show. It sad, so sad he was an AMAZING actor and a Wonderful person. He fits the PERFECT ROLE FOR THE DOCTOR. I cant beleve it. Why!WHY! WHY! did he had to leave, His the perfect doctor- the good actor-the soul of the show- the perfect man for the job! It's not fair! NOT FAIR! I'm a major fan of "Doctor Who" I watch all the seasons and episodes. The show was number 1 with him, his the only perfect doctor in the whole world!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.186.82 (talk) 04:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC) david is an actor born to play the role of the DOCTOR: it not fair hes leaving it like that- it's just.

If you actually are that big a fan and have watched all the episodes, you would know that this is part of the show. The only permanent aspect of the show is the TARDIS. Three seasons isn't even less than average. It is exactly average. Admitedly, I would have liked Tennant around for another season or two. He was a good Doctor, but, assuming we get someone else that's good, the show will go on, and it'll still be good. The only thing I'm concerned about is that it'll move the doctor closer to the end of the thirteenth incarnation (which, if the show still wants to go on, they'll find a way to work around, but still...)

David Who?
David Who? [pun intended] Is he known outside of UK and BBC-fanboys? --216.75.93.110 16:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Can I see into the future or something? Because, I knew this ages ago! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.125.135 (talk) 11:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

this is ridiculous. ya know in the special where the tennant get's to meet davison's doctor and he says,"you were my favorite doctor"; i have seen almost 30 yrs of doctor who, just in the last 2 because of tennant's portrayal. He IS my doctor and honestly, he's not that good of an actor. He's adequate, but not great, and he'll never find a better role. None of the previous ones did, minus pertwee who had done most of it before he got there. bottom line, bad move for all of us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.88.25 (talk) 07:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

noooooo! why does he move on? I love him so much as the doctor!

program airing dates
I have read that the first of the four specials for 2009 was to be aired on April 11, 2009. Is this the scheduled time for airing the Easter Special in the UK or is this the time that Planet of the Dead was to air in the United States? I watched the program on April 11 and it was a different program. The Sontaran Stratage was the show that was aired. I am concerned because I don't want to miss any of the specials.

It is almost breaking my heart that David Tennant is leaving the show. He is by far the best actor yet for the character of the Doctor. It is going to be almost impossible to fill David's shoes. I wish the next Doctor all the luck possible-76.2.57.117 17:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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 * The UK-aired special yesterday was Planet of the Dead. Fun with a cat burgalar and a London bus. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been a fan of The Doctor for as many years as I can remember. Simply put he is the best Sci-Fi Character to ever bless us on TV. A leading charater who doesn't always have the answer but some how finds a solution. David was by far the best of The Doctors and unfortunatly I don't see how the 11th Doctor can even imagine to live up to what David has given us over the few years that he did as The Doctor. I will always remember The Doctor (David) traveling the universe with Rose as they made a perfect pair for Doctor Who! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.28.136 (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

David Tennant: Leaving Doctor Who
I'm an American fan who watches old doctor whos on the internet and the new show on SyFy. Its so sad, I love him, in Doctor Who and on Harry Potter. We will all miss him. David, I LOVE U!!! GOOD LUCK IN HAMLET

also, hamlet is my favorite shakespear play, so i am happy for you! I hope you play Hamlet, you would be perfect for that role

"...because the 10th Doctor has been an annoying, sermonizing git for too long. I mean really, what he did to Hand Doctor/10.5/Clone Doctor was just terrible. There was a point that I loved 10, but certain writers have just ruined him on me. I also second the suggestion of Eddie Izzard as the 11th."

Okay, A, Izzard would be horrible for that role. And B, how can you call david annoying, he is hilarious, hot, and a great actor. Trust me, i am the biggest fan in america, and would be the biggest in UK if i lived there

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OH NOESHHH

dont leave!
david, you are so awsome you should never leave the show. you are the best doctor since the guy with the celery on his breast pocket. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.66.198 (talk) 21:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

hi
I hate the new doctor Matt Smith. He is so full of himself and doesn't care about what David Tennant has to say. Matt Smith is also too young for the role of the doctor I think. Next they will be having an 8 year old play the doctor, seeing as the actors get younger as the doctor gets older. David Tennant, was really upset when he was talking to Matt. Matt didn't give a Damn.

Miss You
We will miss you so much on Dr. Who, you are a wonderful actor and the best Dr. around I hope you are happy in all you do. Shannon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannon B (talk • contribs) 21:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Why would he quit a big chance..."
Why would he quit a big chance to be immortalized as Dr. Who?He could have done many other series.I wish he comes back in a small series playing his clone in another reality or another universe.Lets not forget about his daughter whom is presumed to be dead but he don't know.There are so many unfinished gaps that I want to see the end or possibly an ongoing continuation.I love Dr, Who series.I got used to David Tennant from the first time I saw him.I have to get used to this new Dr who and it has not been easy.I try to forget that it is not David Tennant playing himself and just watch it for the love of the series.I heard he was the voice in that animated cartoon he did some time ago.If he can't be Dr who he could at least do many more 3D animated cartoons. I really liked it and hope he makes many more. —67.83.3.27 (talk) 04:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Just one question...
Doesn't the Doctor only get 14 incarnations? They're up to 11. What are they going to do in 15 years, because obviously, people will care.

 * Good question. This may interest you:
 * http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration#The_Regenerative_Cycle
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)