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Propaganda?
First of - old news. Second of all, as it says in Y! News article I posted a link to, UN commission found no evidence of urnaium munitions in South Lebanon. So... Is this an anti-Israel propaganda on WNews? TacticalSniper(talk) 14:48, 14 November 2006 (GMT+2)

more on this
,. — Doldrums(talk) 10:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * and some more interesting, sources. — Doldrums(talk) 10:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a conversation with a friend..
Its possible Israel used depleted uranium casings for bunker busters, but not likely as only the U.S. can usualy afford to do that. Even groups looking for Israel doing something wrong have not found them using depelted uranium like the U.S. does.

More likely, Israel just hit a bunker full of stockpiled minor radioactive waist. Apperently varioous groups in the middle east stockpile radioactive waist (even amazingly trivial shit) just because they hope it can be useful to someone who hates Israel. Never mind that infact a so called "dirty bomb" is a complete fiction used to scare american civilians but can not be made millitarily effective, nobody ever told the fanatics.

So somehow the article should reflect that there are two possibilities: deplete uranium casings and hitting a useless stockpile of minor grade waist. Nyarlathotep 13:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I'd fix this myself, but I'm standing on a streat corner!! Nyarlathotep 13:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing...
...this article to reflect what you just said would be great, but I due to lack of free time, I couldn't find any based opinion on that. I can't just say: "Hey, it could be radioactive waste", cause then someone else could say: "Hey, aliens from Mars did that" :) Anyway, if I'll find someone's opinion based on facts, I'll change the article. But for now, it simply looks like a propaganda. --TacticalSniper 16:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Title is misleading
The article and it's sources are contrary to the title. No known weapon produces that result.

Stu

nanosieverts?
Why would this be measured in nanosieverts? I don't think that makes sense.

Stu

I'm with you, man
...all the way. Um... Just a question... What's "nanosieverts"?? :)

--TacticalSniper 07:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sievert. — Doldrums(talk) 07:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

A nanosievert would be 10^-9 sieverts. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 10:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

parbox
why is the WMD parbox in the article, and so prominently placed? article does not say anything about WMDs. — Doldrums(talk) 07:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The article does mention "uranium based bunker busters" doesn't it? Nuclear-fission based weapons are capable of causing mass destruction. Hence the infobox. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Uranium based bunker busters are not necessarily nuclear devices, see Depleted Uranium, and the munitions section in that article. see also the legal status of DU weapons in the same article. DU weapons have not been classified as WMD, though moves are afoot to do so. to simply insert the WMD parbox in the article is to suggest either that Israel used WMD in the conflict, a suggestion which needs to be sourced, or that DU munitions, if that's what were used in the conflict, are WMD, which again needs to be sourced. — Doldrums(talk) 11:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article says ''The Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities of the United Nations Human Rights Commission, passed two motions the first in 1996 and the second in 1997. They listed weapons of mass destruction, or weapons with indiscriminate effect, or of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering and urged all states to curb the production and the spread of such weapons. Included in the list was weaponry containing depleted uranium.'' Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 15:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * so if i list animals, birds, fruits, and vegetables and Tomato figures in that list, Tomato becomes a bird? — Doldrums(talk) 16:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, now you're comparing yourself with the UN? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 04:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * i don't think u've understood the point i'm making. if DU weapons belongs to the set of { WMD, Weapons w/ indiscriminate effect, Weapons causing superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering}, it doesn't mean DU weapon is a WMD. it could equally imply DU weapons are "Weapons w/ indiscriminate..." or "Weapons causing superfluous...". to report as if DU is a WMD is to report unsourced material.  — Doldrums(talk) 09:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

from the bottom of the Legal status section of Depleted Uranium,

— Doldrums(talk) 16:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 16:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

there are several reasons for not including the parbox - — Doldrums(talk) 09:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) We don't know that this is about Israel's WMD at all, as opposed to radioactive material stockpiled by Palestinians. to place a parbox suggesting one explanation prominently and ignore the other is pov.
 * 2) Whether DU weapons are WMD is not a resolved matter, as the quote i've posted earlier makes clear. PVJ's quote is a UN Subcommission's motion, not an UN Resolution passed by the General Assembly or Security Council and so does not authoritatively establish DU's status. when no such consensus exists about its status, it is not for wikinews (or individual editors) to decree that DU is (or is not) a WMD. if its status is not clear, then the parbox, which does not make clear this debate over status, shld not be used - it is pov because it appears to assert that whatever was in that site is an Israeli WMD.
 * 3) the subcommitte's view is already mentioned in text and re-emphasizing it in a prominent parbox is to give undue weight.
 * 1) Who is opposed to including a parbox about the other theory? It's just that Wikipedia does not seem to have an article about "Palestine and WMDs". If you do find such an article, go ahead and add the parbox.
 * 2) I apologise for allowing my other committments to keep me from researching the issue as thoroughly as certain other editors. I will agree to the parbox being removed if someone can explain to me why the UNHRC motion should not be taken into account, and, what sort of "consensus" must exist among the UN's organs about this matter for it to be resolved. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 09:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * since we have nothing to indicate whose radioactive material this is, let's leave out blaming one of "Israel" and "Palestine", and move the DU/dirty bomb parbox to the top, that meshes closely with what the article reports - speculation that this may be a DU weapn or a dirty bomb in the making.
 * The subcommittee view is taken into account in the text of the aricle. there is no reason to repeat it once more, leaving out all qualifiers, by using the parbox. A GA/SC resolution, or a widely signed treaty prohibiting WMD which labels DU weapons as WMD would be just fine for asserting that DU is WMD, thank you. as the Prosecutor's Report (compiled by people whose real-life commitment it is, to research such things) points out, neither of these exist. therefore, we shld not claim that what was found (or not found) in those sites were wmd. — Doldrums(talk) 09:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * 1) The article reports the Jewish state's use of DU weapons on Lebanese civilians, not "speculation" about the same.
 * 2) Thank you for explaining the basis of international consensus. Had this come a few years earler, thousands of lives might have been saved. Now, when exactly does a treaty become "widely signed"? Also, when did Wikinews start relying on UNSC resolutions while writing articles? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * if u believe that article does (or should) report categorically that "Israel used DU weapons on Lebanese civilians", then i suggest u read the sources again.
 * If u want to report a determination ("DU is a WMD") as fact, then u'd better come up with sources substantiating a consensus view on the matter, such as a GA resolution or a widely-signed treaty. — Doldrums(talk) 10:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You still haven't explained to me the basis for all this talk of GA resolutions. What makes the GA more of an authority on this matter than the UNHRC. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 10:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * the GA or the SC asks commissions or committees to come up with factual determinations or preliminary drafts of international agreements, etc, which are then used to build a resolution or an agreement between member states. but there is a wide gap between the two. just 'coz a commission asys "we shld have an international criminal court" or "we shld ban land mines" doesn't mean that such recommendations will be accepted or be binding on all members, far from it. sometimes, such recommendations are rejected by a number od GA membe,s sometimes rejected by a very few SC members, in both cases, we can't simply say "UN says ". we can only report "committee said such, so many agreed, so many digagreed, such-and-such action resulted".  — Doldrums(talk) 10:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So a nuclear weapon (or any other bomb containing a radioactive isotope) cannot be considered a WMD unless the GA says passes a Resolution to that effect? Does the same concept apply to, say, a new element recognised by the IUPAC? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 11:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

publishing
article makes no mention of the UN teams finding (already sourced, see Yahoo news source) that categorically contradicts the substance of the article. pls fix this before publishing. — Doldrums(talk) 11:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm re-published it. Articles can be edited while published can't they? I'll try to add the information if I find the time, otherwise please go ahead and do it yourself. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 11:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

fixed
Since this whole thing is my fault, I've now fixed it. Story is: Okay, okay, I didn't really mention the republicans, but its true that dirty bombs are mostly a fiction, see wikipedia. Nyarlathotep 12:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Maybe depleted uranium contradicting past U.N. findings.
 * 2) One crazy enviromentalist thinks there is some new physical process
 * 3) Maybe a dirty bomb warehouse
 * 4) Dirty bombs don't really exist, they are ust a fiction the replublicans used to help scare people into voting for them
 * Sort of like the "WMDs" Bush was searching for in "eye-rack"? :-) Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 15:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * still no mention of the UN teams finding, which categorically contradicts the headline of this article. WN:NPOV anyone? — Doldrums(talk) 15:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! I didn't quite realize that the UN report may be specifically about this one!  I thought it was a more general past comment!  Sorry, yeah, this oughta be fixed..  Nyarlathotep 16:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


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Israeli soldiers suspected of executing unarmed, injured men in Gaza

November 14, 2006

Investigations by the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, B'Tselem have suggested that Israeli soldiers shot dead two unarmed, wounded Palestinians in a town west of Jenin.

Salim Abu al-Heijah and Mahmoud Abu Hassan had gone to a relative's home to seek shelter and medical aid. About 20 minutes later, Israeli troops ordered the men's family members to vacate the house, broke in, and allegedly executed the injured men, after stepping over them.

The Israeli military denied the allegations, saying "The force identified suspicious characters during a search of the area and opened fire towards them."

The B'Tselem report states that the fact that the Israeli soldiers did not attempt to tie up the deceased, or search the body following the killing, indicates that the soldiers did not perceive the victims as potential threats.


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Son of MNC CEO kidnapped in Noida, India

November 14, 2006

The Sector 15A locality in Noida, India, which is considered an elite enclave of rich industrialists, bureaucrats and professionals was in for a shock when Anant Gupta, son of Adobe India CEO Naresh Gupta was abducted in broad daylight by two unidentified men on Monday.

The Noida police was subsequently notified but they were unable to locate the motor-cycle used by the kidnappers as no one was able to take down the registration number of the vehicle. A number of raiding teams have been formed by the police to track down the offenders.

Naresh Gupta, who was in the United States at the time of the incident has implored the media to stop covering this issue so as to avoid sensationalising and prevent any harm to his son.

The kidnapping sent shockwaves throughout the cities of Noida and New Delhi. Some say this is an indicator of the rising crime rate in a city like Noida which was previously considered relatively safe and peaceful.


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Born to Vladimir and Irene Boyko in May 29, 1984, in West Ukrainian city of Chernovitz. At the time, Irene worked as a school teacher, while Vladimir worked at a large production plant. The baby was born as Anton, and Vladimir left his job to stay with the baby, which was infected with a staphylococcus bacteria after its birth and was constantly sick for over three years since its birth. That was the main reason for Vladimir leaving his job and for a while, Irene was the only one supporting the family - which at the time was financially possible, due to relative low prices in the former USSR.

The young boy then attended a kindergarten, and also a kindergarten no. 25, which provided a studying year preparing young students for the first grade in school.

Young Anton attended later enrolled in Jewish school no. 41 in the same city - one of the two Jewish schools ever created in Ukraine. The school was not a religious school - the students attended lessons ranging from Math to History of Ukraine and Russian language - to Jewish subjects like Jewish History, Jewish Tradition and Hebrew language. Anton was one of the best in class in some of the humanitarian studies, including English and Hebrew, as well as history. Anton finished studying in school no. 41 in 1997, a little under a month after starting the eighth grade.

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Five months after finished the school - on December 5, 2002, Jonathan joined the Israeli Defense Forces and was drafted to the Combat Engineering Corps. After four months of Basic Training, Jonathan was promoted to Marksman and was given a modified M16A2E3 rifle with Trijicon 4x sight. After another four months of Advanced Training in the Jordan Valley, Jonathan's company was assigned for combat duty near the Palestinian town of Bitunia, where he spent four months. After this, Jonathan was assigned for additional four months to a combat company, located near Beit Iqsa.

Finishing the four months of service, and being now for a year and four months in the Army, Jonathan was reassigned for another eight months to a company of "green" soldiers, as a communications Sergeant. Finishing this, Jonathan was reassigned to Battalion's Headquarters, as Battalion Commander's Office administrator, where he spent the last year of the IDF service.

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Al Jazeera English news channel to go live today

November 14, 2006

Al Jazeera marks its tenth birthday by launching Al Jazeera English on cable, satellite, on broadband, IPTV, ADSL, terrestrial and mobile phone platforms in Western Europe, the Middle East, Australia, Malaysia and there will be a live stream to the one billion users of the Internet worldwide. Cable providers will take the signals to 40 million subscriber. This, claims Al Jazeera, is a unique event in terms of the scale of audience already available at the time of launch. Sky, a leading satellite broadcaster will distribute Al Jazeera English.

At the same time, Al Jazeera's English website, aljazeera.net/English, will have a new look and will provide live streams of the TV channel, RSS feeds, e-mail, newsletters and interactive discussion boards and will allow everyone to "express their opinion freely, encouraging debates, viewpoints and counter viewpoints". Notably, aljazeera.com is an unrelated website publishing inflammatory opinion articles about Middle East issues.

Al Jazeera claims to be impartial and says that its team of journalists "share a common set of attributes: objectivity, accuracy, and a passion for truth". It is supported by the Emir of Qatar, Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani who enabled it to start up with a grant of $150M and it is said to receive $30m annually from him.

Nigel Parson, al-Jazeera International's British managing director, said he intended to bring home to British viewers what was being done in their name. He would not hesitate to show dead soldiers in "long shots" and with "pixilated faces", even before their next of kin had been told. The Telegraph reports reactions of two opposition defence spokesmen: "a promotion of brutality" and "grotesque" said a Tory and "banning such material could result in the public getting a sanitised, cleaned-up version of those realities" voiced by a Liberal Democrat. The Ministry of Defence is reported as saying that the public had a right to know what goes on in operational theatres, but expected media to report with "consideration of the welfare of service families".

The London office has contributors from the BBC including Sir David Frost, Rageh Omaar and Darren Jordon, and from ITN, Shiulie Ghosh.

Al Jazeera is often criticised in the West. On one occasion its offices were bombed by the U.S., when on 13 November 2001, a U.S. missile hit Al Jazeera's office in Kabul, Afghanistan. On 8 April 2003 a U.S. missile hit a generator near the Baghdad office and the subsequent fire killed a reporter. In Spain, Al Jazeera reporter Taysir Allouni was sentenced to seven years for being a financial courier for al-Qaeda. He claims that his only association with that group was an interview with bin Laden after 9/11.


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Iranian radio revives Papal-Jewish conspiracy theories

November 14, 2006

Iranian state broadcaster Voice of Islamic Republic of Iran has published a report on its English-language web site outlining a theory of an alleged conspiracy involving Pope Benedict XVI and former U.S. secretary of state Dr. Henry Kissinger. The report revives earlier claims of a Papal-Jewish conspiracy reported by some media outlets in Arab and Muslim countries.

Commenting on a recent private audience granted to Dr. Kissinger by Pope Benedict XVI, the Iranian broadcaster described Kissinger as "anti-Christian" presumably because he is Jewish. The Iranian radio stated that "this is not the first time the Vatican, which claims to be champion of Christianity uses foreign, anti-Christian experts."

Citing a report by the Italian daily newspaper La Stampa, the Iranian radio reported that "the Leader of the Catholic sect of Christianity, Pope Benedict XVI has called on former US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, a Jew who does not believe in either Prophet Jesus (peace upon him) or his Virgin mother, Mary (peace upon her), to become a member of the Vatican’s consultative council on foreign policy." Iranian radio further claimed that the previous Roman-Catholic pontiff, Pope John Paul II, also consulted with foreign "anti-Christian" experts, in this case the former U.S. national security adviser, Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski. Like the previous pope, Dr. Brzezinski is both Polish and Catholic -- the fact acknowledged by the Iranian broadcaster. Dr. Brzezinski's last name was misspelled on the Iranian radio web site as "Berzhinsky." Dr. Kissinger was born in Germany, which is also the birthplace of Pope Benedict XVI. Young Henry Kissinger and his immediate family managed to escape Nazi persecution of Jews by immigrating to the United States in the 1930s.

As a proof that there may be an anti-Muslim conspiracy involving Dr. Kissinger, the Iranian broadcaster asserted that one of the most important topics of his contacts with Pope Benedict XVI "are related to resurgent Islam, which is claiming more and more adherents around the globe." Pope Benedict XVI came earlier under severe criticism in Muslim countries for his comments about the history of Islam made during the visit to his native Germany in September 2006. Some media commentators in the West also criticized the pope for his comments as contributing to religious tensions, while others defended his right to discuss the history of Islam. The Jewish-American Anti Defamation League reported that media outlets in Muslim countries claimed there was a Jewish conspiracy behind the pope's comments.

In reviving the Jewish-Papal conspiracy theory, the Iranian radio did not explain what makes both Dr. Kissinger and Dr. Brzezinski "anti-Christian" and why the popes would knowingly consult on a regular basis with people holding anti-Christian views.

Commenting on the Iranian broadcast,FreeMediaOnline.org, a California-based nonprofit media watch organization supporting press freedom worldwide, reported that audiences which tend to believe broad propaganda claims are not likely to question logical and factual inconsistencies such as those contained in the Iranian broadcast. Iranian media reports with anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli claims often have factual mistakes and are frequently written in ungrammatical and difficult to understand English.


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Jewish people are suddenly anti-Christian? Hillarious. ★ MESSED ROCKER ★  20:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Reporting propaganda claims as news story
I'm really curious how the editor who questioned this story would report on outlandish anti-Semitic claims without inserting some balance that in his/her opinion would not be considered an editorial roundup.

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Murdoch asks Australians to stick with the US

November 15, 2006

Rupert Murdoch, the News Corporation Chairman, told Australians not to allow sentiments over the Iraq War to damage relations with the United States.

Talking at a benefit dinner for the American-Australian Association, in Sydney, Mr. Murdoch cited surveys which have shown that anti-US sentiments to be more prevalent than ever. He warned Australians not to let a rift develop between the two countries.

Mr. Murdoch believes that doubts about the Iraq war should not cloud the relationship stating, "Wars end, administrations come and go".

"The Australian people must not allow the perfectly legitimate doubts about one policy or one American administration to cloud their long-term judgement."

Mr. Murdoch also touched on the environment during his speech saying both countries must look into new sources of energy to combat climate change.


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Vested interest
Um... Murdock kind of has a vested interest doesn't he? He kind of owns a lot of american media, shouldn't you metion that?


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One link is dead and the other is not creditable. Bias?

 * I think so. One link is indeed dead and the other is suspect. Article needs editorial polishing, too.

--Arkeides 21:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * why is the Al Jazeera source "suspect"? does this answer those suspicions? — Doldrums(talk) 08:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Down to one weak source
A source which seems to be relying on testimony, which due to the unfortunate context must be considered suspect.


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Ousted Halton MP Garth Turner resigns membership from Conservative party

November 14, 2006

Halton MP Garth Turner accounced at a news conference that he has resigned his membership from the Conservative party, a month after he was suspended from the Tory caucus due to his own posting on his blog.

Turner said Tuesday that he would continue as an Independent. Elizabeth May, Green Party Leader, asked him to join the Green party last month. Turner would be the first member of the party to serve in this capacity. Turner will be in May's London, Ontario riding to campaign with her on Wednesday.

"Party politics, and not just specifically this party, is the problem," said outspoken MP Turner. "People may end up sending MPs to Ottawa who are party supporters through and through, or they may end up sending people who, like me, are a pain in the ass."

His riding association has been told he won't be allowed to run as a Conservative in the next election.

"We have to break this tedious cycle of electing politicians who sell us on change and deliver same old same old," Turner said. "This raises more questions about the role of the average Canadian in the political process and their ability to choose their own representative."

Turner says he will bring in a private member's bill to give independents more opportunity in the House of Commons and allow them to give tax receipts for political contributions.

Turner is known for his outspoken remarks on his popular blog that include criticism of Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Tory policies.


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18th International Guitar Festival of Great Britain

November 14, 2006

The 18th International Guitar Festival of Great Britain has been running on the Wirral since 10/11/2006 and continues until 30/11/2006

Guitarists covering early and classical periods to jazz, rock, pop and extreme electronics. The concerts take place across Wirral in pubs, theatres, warehouses and concert halls.

Pacific Road Arts Centre, Birkenhead, Wirral, Merseyside.


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Canadian law proposes to ban spitting, swearing and urinating in public

November 15, 2006

A new law that proposes no spitting, swearing, or urinating in public passed its second reading in Calgary.

Calgary City Council is expected to pass it into law later this year.

Fines would range from $50 for carrying a visible knife or standing on public benches and $300 for urinating or defecating in public. People who spit would face a $100 fine and those who fight in city streets would pay a $250 ticket.

"You have to set the groundwork of expectations — mutual expectations — in order to be able to work well together, live well together," said Ald. Madeline King, a councilor who represents part of Calgary's inner city. "This is the right thing to do — this is a social contract between Calgarians that calls for a minimum amount of respect," he said.

"Unless you have rules, things don’t work so well in terms of living together harmoniously," said Ald. Madeleine King. "It's not targeting the homeless, it's targeting anyone who behaves in this way."

It will come back to council for final approval next week.

City lawyers have concerns about enforcing some parts of the legislation.


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A new law that proposes no spitting, swearing, or urinating in public passed it's second reading in Calgary, Canada. Violators could pay up to $250 in fines.

Al Jazeera, which is celebrating it's tenth birthday, has launched Al Jazeera English, which would be available to subscribers on cable, satellite, IPTV, and phone networks in Western Europe, the Middle East, Australia, and Malaysia.

In New Zealand, Internet Service Provider Orcon Internet Limited is going to provide television channels via super-fast broadband, straight to the customers television set. This is a result of New Zealand's government decision to open up Telecoms line to other ISPs.

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Charles Upham's medals to stay in New Zealand

November 15, 2006

The Victoria Cross and bar awarded to soldier, Charles Upham, have been sold to Britain's Imperial War Museum in London. The Victoria Cross and bar, also known as a double Victoria Cross, were only awarded to one combat solider, Mr Upham. The medals will, however, remain in New Zealand as they are on loan to New Zealand for 999 years, this is welcoming news to the New Zealand government.

The medals were not exactly donated to New Zealand as it is currently illegal to export the medals, but it still generous to donate them so New Zealand can still see the medals at the Queen Elizabeth II Army Memorial Museum. His family had requested that they be on view.

Amanda Upham and Virginia MacKenzie are Mr Uphams daughters and are the ones who sold the medals to the war museum in Britain. The medals were sold for an unknown amount of money, however it was known that they had wanted NZ$3.3 million.

The government had offered to buy the medals for $1 million, this was rejected by the two daughters which caused a lot of controversy. A collector had then offered $9 million.

Speaking in Hong Kong, Phil Goff, minister of defence, said: "I'm hugely pleased the Upham medals will now be held at the Waiouru Army Museum in perpetuity as part of New Zealand's military heritage." Mr Goff also thanked a trust that worked together with the museum to make sure that New Zealand was still able to view the medals.

Mr Upham had won his Victoria Crosses in World War Two. His first Victoria Cross was won in the Battle of Crete in 1941. And he won his bar in the Western Desert about a year after his first Victoria Cross.

A Victoria Cross is the highest medal available to be awarded for bravery in the Commonwealth Realm.


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Just wanted to make sure credit is given where it is due:
 * This page was more or less user:Amgine's idea
 * There was an example add server set up at one point (Even serving adds to a wikinewsie's blog), but it died with journawiki.

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 * Can anyone remember what software Amgine was usinng for the ad server? Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * phpAdsNew I think see this meta page for more info on Amgine's Advertising proposal --Cspurrier 21:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I can animate in flash and other programs / edit in photoshop if you want contact me Symode09 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You do animated flash adverts? Can I shoot you now? :-P
 * Here's one of the slogans that got lost when Amgine left... "Wikinews: Journalism ON WHEELS!" --Brian McNeil / talk 16:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Murat Kurnaz describes systematic torture in Guantanamo

November 15, 2006

Murat Kurnaz, a Turk born and raised in Germany, who was held in extrajudicial detention by the United States for five years, described systematic torture while held in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp in Cuba.

Kurnaz alleges he was subjected to electric shocks, waterboarding, the technique of leading a victim to feel he was on the verge of drowning, being shackled to the ceiling for days on end, being denied food, one time for a period of twenty days.

Kurnaz's case first received widespread scrutiny in March of 2005, when his fully classified dossier was accidentally briefly declassified.

One allegation against Kurnaz was that he had been a friend of a man who killed himself during a suicide bombing mission. However the dossier revealed that his friend, the alleged suicide bomber, was alive and well and living in Germany. The Bremen Prosecutor's office had certified that his friend, who American intelligence analysts had initially alleged was a suicide bomber, was found to be innocent.

Another allegation was that he had traveled with a group of missionaries from the Pakistani missionary group Tablighi Jamaat. The files submitted on Kurnaz's behalf to his Administrative Rewiew Board by lawyers filing his writ of habeas corpus contained three letter from American professors of religious studies, who had studied the Tablighi Jamaat. The letters from these experts were consistent in their description of the Tablighi Jamaat as a large apolitical organization.

Unlike Christian missionary groups the Tablighi Jamaat only worked among fellow muslims. Missions consisted of traveling, in small groups, between mosques in foreign lands. The missionaries would discuss the practice of Islam in their various nations, and the practice of Islam in their host mosques.


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Israeli Woman killed by Qassam rocket

November 15, 2006

An Israeli woman was killed early morning today by a Qassam rocket launched by Palestinian fighters from Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip. Rockets were launched at the southern Israeli city of Sderoth and several other locations. Two rockets landed in the city, killing a 57-year-old woman and injuring a 24-year-old bodyguard of the Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz, who lives in the city. Several other people were treated for shock.

The bodyguard lost both legs due to shrapnel wounds and is still in surgery, several hours after the attack.

The Al-Quds Brigades, military wing of Islamic Jihad, took responsibility for the attack, saying they have launched "two sophisticated Quds rockets at a mid-range" as a retaliation for the IDF artillery shelling of Beit Hanoun earlier this month, in which 19 people were killed. Izz al-Din al-Qassam, Hamas' military wing, also took responsibility for the attack.

IDF officials said today that the attack was carried out from the area around Beit Hanoun cemetery, where large-scale Qassam launching operation is underway.

Another attack occurred hours later, when another rocket landed near several young men, injuring a 17-year-old youth severely and several others lightly.

With today's attacks, 10 Israelis have been killed by Qassam rockets since 2002 and over 270 injured. Attacks by Israel aimed at Hamas fighters have killed over 400 Palestinians including many civilians, since June this year.

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Talk:Man apologizes for grandfather's duty as a concentration camp guard

Holocaust
The issue of whether the Holocaust actually occured is debatable, and there is a large volume of literature that questions the Holocaust's authenticity. It is important to explain this in an article that concerns the Holocaust. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 11:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that so?
Usually, Holocaust deniers are anti-Semites and as far as I know no serious objective historian denies Holocause (not to mention the survivors, witnesses, thousands of pictures made by the Nazis themselves, et cetera). Denying Holocaust is a small group of extremists, while absolute most of the world accepts Holocaust as a fact.

--TacticalSniper 11:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * "Holocaust denial (commonly called Holocaust revisionism by its supporters) is the belief that the genocide of Jews during World War II" -Holocaust denial (emphasis mine)
 * "The Holocaust, [...] is the name applied to the genocide of..." - The Holocaust
 * "As the Holocaust is generally considered by historians to be one of the most documented events in recent history, [Holocaust denial] are not accepted as credible by scholars," - The Holocaust
 * "Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views. We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by only a small minority of people deserved as much attention as a majority view. That may be misleading as to the shape of the dispute. If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties." - WN:NPOV converting a reference to the Holocaust to "alleged Holocaust" goes flagrantly against this.

Incidentally, This man is not apologizing to "alleged victims", which wld be a pointless act. — Doldrums(talk) 11:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I personally do agree thatit would be pretty difficult for even the most determined Zionist to fake 6 million deaths, I must raise certain points:-

 * Holocaust revisionism is not just a belief-it is a school of thought regarding which several works have been written.
 * Just because some scholars believe the Holocaust occured, doesn't mean we should enforce that POV on tha erticle when another POV exists.
 * Holocaust denial is not just a POV, but a theory which is currently being studied. It is important to inform readers that such a theory exists. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * No, it is not "some scholars" it is every single serious legitimate scholar because of the existence of overwhelming evidence. The only people who deny that it happened are anti-Semites. Anyway, this is simply a report about what one person said and did. It is worth pointing out, however, that there is a big difference between "concentration camps" and death camps. Most concentration camps in Germany proper were not places in which systematic murder took place, but rather were prison camps. In other words the Holocaust as such did not take place in Bremen - thouggh doubtless there were acts of brutality, malnutrition, typhus etc. Paul Barlow 13:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Paul Barlow is exactly right. Holocaust denial is not a historical theory.  Academic theories take the facts and find a conclusion.  Holocaust Denial takes the conclusion and tries to find facts for it.  The only people who "study" Holocaust Denial are those who desperately want to prove it to be true (or perhaps those who are interested in how people can delude themselves of anything they want to believe)  No semi-legitmate scholar accepts this as a valid theory. DrDisco

Holocaust denial has the same level of legitimacy as any other crackpot historical theory that is driven more by wishful thinking than serious inquiry. Except that it includes a large dose of bigotry and malice. These people have the right to say anything they want, but I have the right to show them the contempt they deserve. --Leifern 14:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Iran is inviting many people to participate in their 2006 Iran Holocaust Conference. Maybe the research presented there will wake people up to the facts about the Holocaust. Not that it didn't exist but that it had/has been exagerated for political propagandah. 74.140.49.75 17:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

All mainstream/orthodox/peer reviewed/yadaydayada historians have inrecent years revised the Holocaust substantially, without notice or comment. Most prisons in Germany were classified as death camps - now it has been quitely revised to no German camps were death camps. What evidence was used to make this new classification was never published - a secret peer review I suppose. Any links to this peer review for those who usually love this type of argument. Simply, how and why and by whom was this revision done, and done so meekly and quickly - I didn't hear a single peep from our normal crowd of proHolocaust supporters when this happened. Normally I would have expected Wikipedia to have screamed and fought to the last man on this one - but not a word. What evidence was found that was new, or what old evidence was debunked? Links please.


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Japan and Russia on tsunami alert

November 15, 2006

A tsunami alert has been issued by the Japanese Meteorological Agency after a 8.1 magnitude earthquake struck the Kuril islands. The alert warns that a 2 metre high tsunami could hit the Pacific coast of Hokkaido & Honshu 1210 GMT. Coastal residents have been asked to move to higher ground.

The United States Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre has warned that the tsunami will hit northern Japan and Russia.

An official from the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center as said that the tsunami was not expected to hit Hawaii and the West Coast of North and South America. She added that there was a slight chance of it hitting the western Aleutian Islands.

The United States Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre warning states indicates the estimated inital tsunami arrival times as follows.

NOTE: ACTUAL ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST. THE TIME BETWEEN SUCCESSIVE TSUNAMI WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR. IN CASE OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION... THE MORE CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION SHOULD BE USED FOR SAFETY.

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The Yes Men troll Wharton Business School with slavery proposal

November 15, 2006

The anti-globalization culture jamming group The Yes Men recently delivered a presentation at a Wharton Business School conference on trade and investment in Africa.

A performance artist, using the name Hanniford Schmidt, pretending to be a WTO representative, announced a new WTO initiative for "full private stewardry of labor" in some parts of Africa. His talk attempted to make clear that this meant slavery.

"This is what free trade's all about," said Schmidt. "It's about the freedom to buy and sell anything—even people."

Schmidt reported that "One conference attendee asked what incentive employers had to remain as stewards once their employees are too old to work or reproduce" but that "there were no other questions from the audience that took issue with Schmidt's proposal."

Wharton Business School placed a notice on the conference site stating that their invitation of Schmidt had been based upon his misrepresentation of himself as a representative of the WTO, and that they do not endorse his views.


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Tsunami wave alert for British Columbia dropped

November 15, 2006

A tsunami wave alert for the outer coast of British Columbia has been dropped. It was lifted about three hours after the alert was issued.

The alert was issued at 4:10 a.m. PST for B.C. north and central coasts to the northern tip of Vancouver Island and also the west coast of Vancouver Island south to Sombrio Point. It was expected to hit at 9:00 a.m. PST, 12:00 p.m. ET.

"That's our latest information - that if a wave was generated it would be hardly noticeable," said Cam Filmer, executive director of Provincial Emergency Planning office.

No impacts are expected from any tsunami wave that might reach B.C.'s outer coast, Emergency officials in British Columbia say.

Recent reports from Japan and Alaska indicate that any wave that might reach coastal B.C. will be very small.

Currently, there are blackouts, heavy rain and high winds throughout the area. 8,000 customers in Sechelt, Whistler, Bowen Island and Quadra Island, B.C. have no power. Winds are up to 100 kilometres an hour in some areas and rainfall amounts of 50 to 110 millimetres, Environment Canada reports.

Float plane services are cancelled between Vancouver, Victoria and Nanaimo.

Ferries are also cancelled on routes linking the mainland to Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands.


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Talk:Al Jazeera English news channel to go live today

I'm not sure the American missile attacks on al-Jazeera are related to the content per se. You might want to look into the wikipedia debate on this issue. I really don't know, but there were numerous assertions that it was due the building also being used in some form of millitary capasity. I gota run now, but I'm sure wikipedia has sorted all this out already. Nyarlathotep 17:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And they have, there is a leaked memo of Blair and bush talking about the possibility of attaacking al-Jazeera. Nyarlathotep 17:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and there was a reference to this in Blunkett's memoire in which he is said to have inveighed against AJI and said they should be bombed. I don't have the ref. Interesting to see what the reactions to first tansmissions are tomottow morning Fentonrobb 21:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Live stream
Is anywhere a high quality live stream of Al Jazeera English available?--Wikiaccount 14:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


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Tsunami alert lifted for Japan and Russia

November 15, 2006

The tsunami alert issued for certain areas of Russia and Japan after an 8.1 magnitude earthquake struck near the north coast of Japan have been lifted. While the tsunami alert has been lifted, Japan's Meteorological Agency's web site is still showing watches in affect for most of the eastern Pacific coast of Hokkaido.

A small 40cm (15.7 inches) wave did wash up in some areas of the eastern coast of Japan, but this was nowhere near the 200cm (6.5 feet) wave that had been feared.


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hi richard, the only account verification that i'm aware of, is to provide an e-mail address (to be set in your preferences). in any case, i think u'll be rid of it after 4 days or 50 edits. so do try and bear with us till then :). some more info abt these features is available at Anti-spam Features. — Doldrums(talk) 15:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

PVJ's pages
nothing's wrong at all. u reverted the user page, i reverted the talk page, both of which were vandalised. and don't worry too much about making the odd mistake. this is a wiki, and everything can be fixed just fine :). — Doldrums(talk) 16:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Saluton
Sal, Richard! Mi estas malpreta al komencos Esperanto-Wikinews, mi povas nur paroli baza nivelo de Esperanto ;) Bona al vidi vi! --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 08:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Awesome

 * Thank you, Jim. I'm having a lot of fun, really. Because of the environment and the pace there seems to be a greater sense of being able to make a difference on this project if you want. Hopefully I'll continue to live up to the award. Thanks again! -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 17:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I Second That Nomination

 * Thank you so much, Thunderhead. I've been having fun, and hopefully I've been useful at the same time. :-)  -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 16:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Reconsider Accred. Request
Thanks Richard. I will most certinaly be applying again soon - it just seems that people were either too reluctant to post any vote at all (didn't know which way to swing and influence the vote) or just didn't see it. I'll try and get out there and do some photojournalism and get some of it under my belt before I reapply. Hopefully that will help the balance tip. --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 21:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Article publication
No worries. I forget sometimes too - you just end up getting used to what categories are there and what isn't. --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 21:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent comments
Please see WN:NOT. The articles are not considered to be appropriate for Wikinews - as they have no news sources that can be cited for the data included. Also, with these types of articles we have to be *extremely* careful about NPOV. I can see a lot of NPOV in those articles you have commented on. The content may be good, however the way it is written is not. They do not adhere to our style guidelines for published articles, they attribute the text to a single author, and could also be considered to be editorials - which are not accepted for publication on Wikinews. --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 18:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Ed Joyce to replace Trescothick for Ashes

November 15, 2006

Middlesex batsman Ed Joyce will replace Marcus Trescothick in the England Cricket squad facing Australia in the first Ashes test at the Gabba in Brisbane on 23 November.

The Irish-born left-handed batsman has only played three one-day internationals and one Twenty20 for England, averaging 10.33.

Joyce was chosen over Owais Shah and Rob Key; who have both had test experience for England, with Rob Key playing for the losing 2002/03 tourists at the last Ashes series in Australia.

England squad to face Australia:

 * 1) A Flintoff  (captain)
 * 2) AJ Strauss (vice-captain)
 * 3) JM Anderson
 * 4) IR Bell
 * 5) PD Collingwood
 * 6) AN Cook
 * 7) AF Giles
 * 8) SJ Harmison
 * 9) MJ Hoggard
 * 10) GO Jones (wicketkeeper)
 * 11) EC Joyce
 * 12) SI Mahmood
 * 13) MS Panesar
 * 14) KP Pietersen
 * 15) LE Plunkett
 * 16) CMW Read (wicketkeeper)


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User talk:Amynewyork4248

Welcome
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speedy
hi, i see from ur userpage that u have some training in journalism, so all the more reason to welcome you :)

this is just to let u know that i've removed the speedy delete tag on the older tsunami article - as one might expect, we don't delete articles just coz the events have superseded their content. What's happened is that the article with the updated info, the one you've created, has replaced the older one in the lead. the older one will remain as it was, documenting what was known at the time it was written.

btw, the way wikinews handles (well, supposed to) breaking news situations in which the news events are developing while being reported, is we publish the article with a "breaking news" tag, letting readers know that the article is likely to change as events unfold. all updates to that event will be compiled in one place - that article, rather than being scattered over several small articles. once the article has been published for sometime, say more than a day, or no further developments are expected, then the breaking tag is removed and the article is considered a historical document - it will not be updated to reflect newer information. — Doldrums(talk) 18:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you stop putting speedy tags on articles before they are further developed? You only put speedy tags on articles that follow the Speedy deletion guidelines. Best to wait for an edit. Articles with no meaningful content or history, vandalism, advertising, spam, and/or abandoned for four days should be taged speedy. If an article does not meet those guidelines, it should be posted on Deletion requests. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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Coud you please head on back to and add some more information about the picture? Thanks! Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test) 01:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This'll help the Grim Reaper and CommonsTicker. Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test) 01:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

sources, sources...
avoid spaces after the "author=", is all!. btw, u can use the javascript thingy to have the source template inserted for u, look for the link below the save button. clicking on the link inserts the source template at the current cursor location. — Doldrums(talk) 16:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Mrsanitazier~enwikinews

Welcome
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Mets article
First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases: Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources. If you are part of the story that the article is about, you may also wish to consider requesting an interview rather than writing the article yourself.

Thanks again! — Doldrums(talk) 18:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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This image is not public domain. Only tag images as public domain unless they really are, or they will be deleted on site. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Mrsanitazier. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Mrsanitazier~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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US Soldier gets life in prison for Iraq rape-slayings

November 17, 2006

Specialist James Barker, a US Army soldier in the 502nd Infantry Regiment, pleaded guilty to raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl before murdering her and her family and was sentenced to life in prison.

Barker could face up to 90 years in jail, but is eligible for parole in 20 years.

The incident took place in the town of Mahmudiyah, south of Baghdad in March, 2006. Five soldiers are facing charges in connection with the rape-slayings, which sparked outrage in Iraq, and led Iraqi leaders to call for a review of the immunity from prosecution given to coalition forces operating in Iraq.

Baker testified in detail about what had taken place, which led to the court-martial proceedings against three other soldiers, Pfc. Jesse Spielman, Sgt. Paul Cortez, and Pfc. Bryan Howard. A fifth soldier, Steven D. Green, who is no longer in military service, faces trial in a civilian court in Kentucky.


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User talk:166.109.124.231

Welcome
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Additionally, thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. — Doldrums(talk) 18:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Vasleo

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India article
hi vasleo, thanks for ur interest in wikinews. ur India article, however, is not quite appropriate for wikinews - articles here are for reporting news events, and editorial/opinion pieces are not published on wikinews. see Content guide for more information.

i've moved the text of the article here, in case u want to refer to it. the aricle itself, as it stands, will be deleted. — Doldrums(talk) 19:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is one of the big question always asked by the World and the Indians themselves. But what I think is that this is a question to be answered by the people of India at large and the world as it sees. There are lot of factors that led India to this debate, which we all will discuss in future through this article.

Firstly I would like to talk about the people of India, who made this possible. As India is a land of traditional values and having a strong base in belief on Education, the most of the middle class in India has made it compulsory for their childeren to gain knowledge. This has a tremendous effect on India to become the knowledge base to the rest of the world, which initially started as "BRAIN DRAIN". Today this has really fueled the Economy of India into a KNOWLEDGE driven rather than an INDUSTRIAL driven.

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User:Kinnerc

 Monday 29 July  UTC =Richard C.S. "Doc" Kinne=

Biography
I am Richard "Doc" Kinne. I live in Somerville, MA, just north west of Boston. I am a computer technician/astronomer with great interest in Linux and variable star research.

Significant News Contributions
Below is listed articles which I've made significant contributions to, or have written for Wikinews.

 * South Africa to legalize same-sex marriage 15 November 2006
 * Tsunami alert lifted for Japan and Russia 15 November 2006
 * House Democrats name Pelosi speaker 16 November 2006
 * Mobile homes exploded as tornado kills five in North Carolina 16 November 2006
 * 2006 MLS championship goes to Houston Dynamos 17 November 2006
 * UCLA student tasered repeatedly 17 November 2006
 * Planet Mercury to blaze across Sun today 17 November 2006
 * Chinese Wikipedia publishes 100,000th article 18 November 2006
 * The Wii, Nintendo's new console, launches in North America 19 November 2006
 * Pelosi says no to draft legislation 21 November

Contact
The best way to contact me is by email. Try "kinnerc at gmail dot com"

Academics
High School was spent at Rome (NY) Catholic High. I was semi active in the newspaper and yearbook.

Undergraduate years were spent at SUNY Oswego in NY where my major was Computer Science with a minor in Astronomy. I was active in the local TV media, WTOP-TV Ch. 10, as weather reporter, then weather director, and a Board member.

Graduate school was virtually done in Melbourne, AUS at Swinburne Technical University where I received a MSc. in Astronomy. There wasn't an outlet or opportunity for media involvement.

Current Activities

 * I own and operate Amateur Radio station KE1ML.
 * I'm the Clerk for the Arlington Street Meetinghouse in Boston, MA.

Wiki Career
I first began doing a bit of edits with Vikipedio, the Esperanto version of Wikipedia a few years ago. From there I moved to Wikipedia. I became involved in Wikinews in November, 2006 after seeing and being very impressed with Good Night, and Good Luck. Hey, everyone needs an inspiration.

The Blog
Wikinews has a strict policy of a neutral point of view, and in this context NPOV is a wise, wise policy. However, as a human being, I have a hell of a lot of opinions. You can read them here on my LiveJournal.

Awards
Awards cabinet

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Talk:Israeli Woman killed by Qassam rocket

Some more propaganda?
Why are related news stories only tell on attacks on Palestinians, and not about attacks on Israelis? I really should change that.

--TacticalSniper 19:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe cause it's the Zionists who're doing most of the attacking? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 03:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Only because now IDF has the power to stop almost all the attacks. Palestinians still try to attack Israel daily - sometimes they succeed, but mostly, they fail.

--TacticalSniper 07:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Palestinians are facing temporary setbacks, but eventually the Zionists will be crushed. The latest Qassam strike should be indicative of what will happen in the long term. Why not just quit the Middle East, instead of remaining in a situation where neither side can profit? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 09:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Such hate-filled comments are simply unacceptable. Humus sapiens 09:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not a comment-I am merely stating a fact. It is just a matter of time before the Jewish state is destroyed. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 09:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * You'll need to learn a difference betweeen facts and opinions.
 * In your ES you said Source used terms Hamas as "fighters" - what was that source, al-Quds Brigades? Humus sapiens 09:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Al-Jazeera. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Please get familiar with the policies and restore WN:NPOV language. Humus sapiens 10:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you feel is not neutral about the current tone of the article? Were not the Israeli attacks aimed at Hamas? Were not a large number of casualties civilian? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * "fighters" is POV. somne would call them "terrorists" since they intentionally target civilians, but I uphold NPOV and therefore chose the word "militants". This is basic stuff. Humus sapiens 10:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Fighters" seems the most logical thing to say since they are engaged in fighting. We refer to IDF gunmen as "soldiers" even though some would call them "terrorists" because theie official designation is "soldiers" Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, what was the change about the "gunmen and civilians"? What's not factual here? "Many of them civilians" does not show the entire picture. "Gunmen and civilians" does.

--TacticalSniper 10:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * PVJ, your extemist POV does not belong here. Those who intentionally (important!) fire rockets at civilian areas are not "fighters". Since you locked your talk page, I'll have to ask you here: is there an ongoing case against you or we will have to open a new one? Humus sapiens 10:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is ample evidence that Israeli tanks intentionally fired at civilian structures. Will you agree to refering to both Hamas and the IDF as militants? I have already informed you that I do not want you editing my talk-page or otherwise trying to engage me in chit-chat. I hoped that my protecting the page would send the message across to you quite clearly. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Stats
The figures were sourced from here, and are based on casualty counts proviuded by the media, B'Tselem and the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 16:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

of fighters and bombers.
Fighter

Fighter

 * 1) A person who fights.
 * 2) A Warrior (person who is actively engaged in battle, conflict or warfare; a soldier or combatant.)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

one that fights : as a (1) : WARRIOR (a man engaged or experienced in warfare; broadly : a person engaged in some struggle or conflict ), SOLDIER (1 a: one engaged in military service and especially in the army b : an enlisted man or woman c : a skilled warrior 2 : a militant leader, follower, or worker)

Militant

Militant

 * 1) an aggressive or fighting person (e.g. Islamic militant)
 * 2) one who serves as a soldier (A member of an army, of any rank.)

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 * 1) engaged in warfare or combat : FIGHTING
 * 2) aggressively active (as in a cause) : COMBATIVE

why is there so much disagreement between using one over the other? in what way is each of them pov? — Doldrums(talk) 07:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Refering to only one side in a conflict as militants would be POV because:-

If we are to use the word militants, we would have to use it to describe both the IDF and the Hamas. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 10:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) It would imply that only the side refered to as militants are acting aggressively, when, in fact, it is highly likely that both sides are doing so.
 * 2) It would also imply that only the alleged militants are fighting for a cause, which would make the other side seem like mercenaries.

 * "fighter" may imply "freedom fighter". Otherwise, why someone insist on it? ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * a "may imply" is a pretty thin reason. are we going to stop using words just because they occur at the beginning of a pov-laden phrase? — Doldrums(talk) 12:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Why such insistence on the term "fighter" and what neutral source uses it? ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * fighters describe the action these groups indulge in. so does militants. both have been widely used to describe them, i expect. fighters is the term used when publishing, and shall remain so, unless it constitutes a factual error, in which a correction shld be issued. i don't think such a factual error has been committed. in which case, leave it be, unless u have a very good reason for bringing it up. ur alternative of "militants" is not all that much different in meaning. so why go thro' this rigmarole? — Doldrums(talk) 12:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Are these attacks by Israel or by the IDF?
To my knowledge, the attacks being spoken of are all carried out by the IDF, as opposed to any other wing o the Israeli security forces. If so, it would be more specific to say IDF than to say they were carried out by "Israel". once again, why is there so much disagreement between using one over the other? in what way is each of them pov? — Doldrums(talk) 07:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am sure that though the IDF is playing the most proactive role in these attacks, other Israeli security agencies are involved in the attacks. Also, I do not think it likely that these attacks could have been carried out without the authorisation of the Israeli government. Also, the UNGA has called upon "Israel", not the "IDF" to cease the attacks. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 10:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * 1) What "other Israeli security agencies are involved in the attacks."? 2) UNGA is not a reliable or a neutral source. 2) Expressions like "Attacks by Israel" rather than "Attacks by IDF" are POV. It seems that PVJ59 has a policy to ignore WN policies. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you implying that the IDF's actions are not controlled by the Israeli government, and that the IDF does not act on Israel's behalf? Since when did the UN General Assembly's authority or neutrality become questionable? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * PVJ, u've stated that u think agencies other than IDF are involved. can u source this? — Doldrums(talk) 12:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am stating that the Israeli government is involved. Can those who imply it is not confirm that the IDF has mutinied against the government? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Attacks are not done by Israeli govt or "Israel". It is the IDF. Please report facts.
 * See Reform of the United Nations. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Waht's with the UN reform article. can u pls point out what we're supposed to see there. thanks. — Doldrums(talk) 12:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Israel and the United Nations is more pertinent here. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

incidentally, why is the distinction between Israel and IDF important? why is so important that it has to be corrected 4 days after publication. (Wikinews articles are not to be modified upon publishing, the grace period is 24 hrs tapering off to 48. see What Wikinews is not). — Doldrums(talk) 12:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with Doldrums. This issue is a waste of time. Couldn't we just revert to how it ws before the dispute was initiated? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I didn't know that. I saw a mistake and clicked the edit button. (Maybe it should be disabled then?) We are dealing with attacks by armies or armed groups but not countries. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Q)Which one of the following is not a country? 1) Israel 2) Palestine Zeest(Talk)(Newpages)  12:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * What part of the phrase "attacks are done by armies or armed groups but not countries" you don't understand? ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How army acts without its country's backing is what don't I understand. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

unpublishing
do u know what unpublishing an article published four days ago means? it means we're retracting the story. apparently because we cant agree on whether "fighter" or "militants" is to be used, and on whether the IDF or Israel is attacking. — Doldrums(talk) 12:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't start a dispute four days after the article was published. It wasn't me that went about quoting dictionaries and arguing about who the IDF is answerable to. I had already moved on to other stories-which certain other "Wikinews reporters" seem unable to do. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * If you talk about me, I am still find my way around here. BTW, I find your decision to "unpublish" the story of Israeli casualty from Hamas rocket a little too convenient. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

About time-I've been around here for a year less than you and have already written about 93 more stories than you. Like I said, some users just don't seem to want to contribute. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 13:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

(where's tht darn template when u need it) Article talk pages are for talking about making the article better. if u want to tell each other what u think about one another, find an unprotected user talk page or take it to DISPUTE. there's also something about civility and personal attacks that i shld say here, but i don't want to type so much. — Doldrums(talk) 13:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd rather not pursue this matter anywhere. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 13:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * i repeat, civility and personal attacks. incidentally, u can consider urself warned over personal attacks, PVJ. — Doldrums(talk) 13:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What personal attack? I was calling myself a troll! Thanks for the help with sorting this quickly. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 15:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

publishing
so i take it we revert this article back to its original published state then? — Doldrums(talk) 12:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

if anyone has a problem with the above suggestion, speak now. i intend to revert to the above version in about 5 minutes. — Doldrums(talk) 13:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * done. — Doldrums(talk) 13:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:Allen Concedes in Virginia, giving Democrats control of Senate

There's no way this can be true: the 1994 'Republican Revolution' that first brought Conservatives to control of the House, Senate and White House. A democrat (Clinton) was president in 1994. Qaphsiel 19:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Good point. Edited it to reflect the truth.

--amiableamy 19:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


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User talk:Qaphsiel

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!
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 * And of course, stories need writing!

--amiableamy 19:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

title: User talk:Qaphsiel