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US honors military service on Veterans Day

November 11, 2007 Today, the United States is marking Veterans Day at various events across the country.

In Washington, D.C., many people observe the day by visiting the Vietnam War Memorial, which was opened 25 years ago. Later, a wreath-laying ceremony took place to honor military veterans buried at Arlington National Cemetery just outside Washington.

In the Chicago area, the Edward Hines Jr. VA Hospital had a dedication ceremony, to commemorate a gift of 500 new wheelchairs from the Wheelchair Foundation and the Knights of Columbus. It provided an opportunity for soldiers of different generations to meet.

"It's an honor to shake hands with veterans who came before me," said Christian Tecson, to the Chicago Tribune. Tecson, 27, who is in the National Guard, served two tours of duty in Iraq with the Marine Corps. "They paved the way for us, and we're carrying on the tradition."

In Denver, like so many other cities, a parade was held on this day. However, the Denver United Veterans Council told a number of anti-war groups that they were not invited, regardless of whether they were also veterans groups. In the end, they were permitted to march in the parade, but got a mixed reaction from the crowd. "Leave your politics at home! This is about veterans, not politics," shouted Alex Cuellar.

Presidential candidate John McCain paid tribute to veterans at the New Hampshire Veterans Cemetery. McCain, in turn, received praise for his own service by the other speakers.

"The war and Iraq has divided America, but none of us is divided in our appreciation and our love and affection for those men and women in the military who are serving the cause of freedom," McCain said in his speech. "Some of us here were in another war where America was divided in their support and that made our challenge of welcoming and bringing home all of veterans all the harder." In Boston, Massachusetts' Govenor Deval Patrick honored the five surviving Tuskegee Airmen. Patrick called them "heroic pioneers," as he presented them with the Congressional Gold Medal, which they were awarded in March. At the same event, Air Force Captain Jenny D’Olympia, an Iraq War veteran, led a tribute to women veterans.

President George W. Bush said in his weekly radio address: "America owes a debt of gratitude to all those who have served in our Armed Forces. On Veterans Day, we remember those who have served in previous wars, those who are serving today, and those who did not live to become veterans."

Veterans Day is largely intended to thank veterans for their service, to acknowledge that their contributions to United States national security are appreciated, and to underscore the fact that all those who served — not only those who died — have sacrificed and done their duty. It was first observed on November 11, 1919, a year after the Armistice with Germany, though then it was known as Armistice Day, which is observed in many other countries.


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Shouldn't the changes proposed in the constitution be placed near the top instead of the bottom? Fephisto 17:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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O.k., excuse my militaristic naivety, but, don't we really only need a nuke and a system to deliver it to protect ourselves well-enough? Fephisto 17:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what we used to think, before Vietnam. The problem is that we really don't want to nuke someone, since it would trigger a nuclear war, and we still need a conventional military to protect ourselves from threats. In the case of China, they don't want to invade us so much as they want to invade our ally Taiwan, and I doubt the American people would sanction nuclear activity over an invasion of Taiwan. The fact is that the circumstances under which we would actually use a nuke are extremely serious, and everyone else knows it. That's why people still challenge nuclear-armed countries--sure, we could have nuked Hanoi during the Vietnam War, but the international community, not to mention the American people, wouldn't have tolerated such an action.--72.130.143.25 20:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess that's a point; but as a sidenote, if China invades Taiwan, won't there be substantial backlash from Japan/South Korea/etc.? Fephisto 18:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Japan's constitution forbids the use of offensive military force and South Korea can't spare any significant force from the DMZ, so militarily the US is China's main worry.--72.130.143.25 07:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Re; The bastards
Nuke 'em

Ending the "superpower" myth
Even though the U.S. lost to China in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, it still pretends to be a "superpower" capable of establishing its will anywhere in the world. The recent submarine demonstration should be taken in context with the recent 10% devaluation of the dollar in response to a threat of "diversification" of Chinese currency reserves, and indicates that the U.S. would be devastated in economic and naval conflicts as well as in land warfare. The Chinese space launches, like all national space programs, can be taken primarily as not-so-subtle demonstrations of ICBM capabilities. While U.S. commentators claim to have absolute knowledge of every one of the 72 nuclear missiles they say China has, who believes them?

The U.S. has a chance to admit that the "superpower" era is over and start pulling back from pointless warfare on the far side of the globe on its own, and then maybe we could actually repair the economy with all that energy. But if we don't admit it now, we'll admit it once the Chinese begin the invasion of Taiwan. 70.15.116.59 17:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Dammit, I'm American, and even I agree with this. Fephisto 18:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

"the U.S. lost to China in the Korean War and the Vietnam War" a) We didn't lose the Korean War. At the very worst it was a draw. b) We lost to the North Vietnamese Army in the Vietnam War, not China. Our economy is hurting, but the Democrats will fix that when they gain presidential office. I am worried though that they'll cut military funding too much. This is a clear demonstration that we shouldn't cut military funding so much as spend it more wisely and save money. Please please please let the democrats see the difference between cutting budgets and saving money. 129.64.208.19 17:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * a) China said we could have South Korea, but don't go north of the 48th parallel. The modern day border is... around the 48th parallel.  b) While there are different takes on Vietnam, many emphasize the importance of Chinese supplies and even Chinese troops in NVA uniforms.  Both wars made it clear that on land, China had a passable level of technology and an unlimited supply of manpower.  While the former has gone up and the latter down, I think the probable result of a conventional land war in their sphere of influence is still pretty clear. 70.15.116.59 00:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Confused
The wiki article on the Type 039 submarine says that the incident happened on "October 26, 2006". This is the same incident right? Did it happen a year ago? Or were there two identical incidents dealing with the same chinese sub and the kittyhawk? The recent news posts don't really cite a date beyond the article's publication. When did this happen? 129.64.208.19 17:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

This is not news
This "news" came from a tabloid the Daily Mail. This happened one year ago.

No checks and balances here.

 * Well, for one, YOU could be part of the checks and balances. *gasp*.  Yes, I know, actually doing something to rectify the problem rather than complain about it!  Why don't you 'be bold' and actually edit the article, or at least post something in the collaboration section?  Fephisto 01:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Reported last year?
Seems to be old news. See:

http://wpherald.com/articles/2134/1/US-submarine-security-to-be-reviewed/Navy-admits-failure-to-detect-Chinese-sub.html


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Did it affect any scientific installations down there? Fephisto 17:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Antje Duvekot on life as a folk singer, her family and her music

November 11, 2007 Boston-based singer-songwriter Antje Duvekot has made a name for herself in the folk music world with powerful ballads of heartbreak and longing for a deeper spirituality, but coming up empty-handed. Below is David Shankbone's interview with the folk chanteuse.

'''David Shankbone: Tell me about your new album.
 * Antje Duvekot: It’s called Big Dream Boulevard and it’s the first studio album I made.  It’s not so new; I made it in May of 2006.  It’s produced by Séamus Egan, who is the leader of a fairly renowned band named Solas.

'''DS: You mentioned you used to explore more dark themes in your work, but that lately you are exploring lighter fare. What themes are you exploring on this album?
 * AD: In the future I am hoping for more light themes.  I feel like I have worked through a lot of the darkness, and personally I feel like I’m ready to write a batch of lighter songs, but that’s just how I’m feeling right now.  My last record, Big Dream Boulevard, was a pretty heavy record and that was not intentional.  I write what is on my mind.

'''DS: What were you going through that made it so dark?
 * AD: The record is drawn from my whole writing career, so it’s old and new songs as well.  I wasn’t going through anything in particular because it was spanning a wide time period.  I think it’s fair to say that over all I turn to music in times of trouble and need as a therapeutic tool to get me through sadness.  That’s why I tend to turn to music.  So my songs tend to be a little darker, because that’s where I tend to go for solace.  So themes like personal struggle with relationships and existential issues.

'''DS: What personal relationships do you struggle with?
 * AD: A lot of my songs are about dating and relationship troubles.  That’s one category.  But a lot of my songs are about existential questions because I struggle with what to believe in.

'''DS: Do you believe in a higher power?
 * AD: I’m sort of an atheist who wishes I could believe something.

'''DS: What do you believe?
 * AD: It’s undefined.   I think I’m spiritual in music, which is my outlet, but I just can’t get on board with an organized religion.  Not even Unitarianism.  I do miss something like that in my life, though.

'''DS: Why do you miss having religion in your life?
 * AD: I think every human being craves a feeling that there is a higher purpose.  It’s a need for me.  A lot of my songs express that struggle.

'''DS: Does the idea that our lives on Earth may be all that there is unsettle you?
 * AD: Yes, sure.  I think there’s more.  I’m always seeking things of beauty, and my art reflects the search for that.

'''DS: You had said in an interview that your family wasn’t particularly supportive of your career path, but you are also saying they were atheists who weren’t curious about the things you are curious about. It sounds like you were a hothouse flower.
 * AD: Yes.  I think what went with my parents' atheism was a distrust of the arts as frivolous and extraneous.  They were very pragmatic.

'''DS: They almost sound Soviet Communist.
 * AD: Yeah, a little bit [Laughs].  They had an austere way of living, and my wanting to pursue music as a career was the last straw.

'''DS: What’s your relationship with them now?
 * AD: I don’t actually speak to my mother and stepfather.

'''DS: Why?
 * AD: A lot of reasons, but when I was about 21 I was fairly certain I wanted to go the music path and they said, “Fine, then go!”

'''DS: That’s the reason you don’t speak with them?
 * AD: That’s the main.  “Go ahead, do what you want, and have a nice life.”   So the music thing cost the relationship with my parents, although I think there may have been some other things that have done it.

'''DS: That must be a difficult thing to contend with, that a career would be the basis for a relationship.
 * AD:Yes, it’s strange, but my love of music is perhaps stronger for it because of the sacrifices I have made for it early on. I had to fight.

'''DS: Would you say in your previous work some of your conflict of dating would have been birthed from how your relationship with your family? How do you see the arc of your work?
 * AD: My songs are sort of therapy for me, so you can trace my personal progress through them [Laughs].  I think there is some improvement.  I wrote my first love song the other day, so I think I’m getting the hang of what relationships are all about.  I’m ever grateful for music for being there for me when things weren’t going so well.

'''DS: Has the Iraq War affected you as an artist?
 * AD: Not directly, but I do have a few songs that are political.  One about George Bush and the hypocrisy, but it’s very indirect; you wouldn’t know it was about George Bush.

'''DS: How has it affected you personally?
 * AD: I feel sad about it.  People say my music is sad, but it’s a therapeutic thing so the war affects me.

'''DS: The struggle to be original in art is innate. When you are coming up with an idea for a song and then you all of a sudden stumble across it having been done somewhere else, how do you not allow that to squelch your creative impulse and drive to continue on.
 * AD: That’s a good question.  I started writing in a vacuum just for myself and I didn’t have a lot of feedback, and I thought that what I’m saying has been said so many times before.  Then my songs got out there and people told me, ‘You  say it so originally’ and I thought ‘Really?!’  The way I say it, to me, sounds completely trite because it’s the way I would say it and it doesn’t sound special at all.  Once my record came out I got some amount of positive reviews that made me think I have something original, which in turn made me have writer’s block to keep that thing that I didn’t even know I had.  So now I’m struggling with that, trying to maintain my voice.  Right now I feel a little dried-out creatively.

'''DS: When I interviewed Augusten Burroughs he told me that when he was in advertising he completely shut himself off from the yearly ad books that would come out of the best ads that year, because he wanted to be fresh and not poisoned by other ideas; whereas a band called The Raveonettes said they don’t try to be original they just do what they like and are upfront about their influences. Where do you fall in that spectrum?
 * AD: Probably more towards Augusten Burroughs because when I first started writing it was more in a vacuum, but I think everyone has their own way.  You can’t not be influenced by your experience in life.

'''DS: Who would you say are some of your biggest influences in the last year. Who have you discovered that has influenced you the most?
 * AD: Influence is kind of a strong word because I don’t think I’m taking after these people.  I’ve been moved by this girl named Anais Mitchell.  She’s a singer-songwriter from Vermont who is really unique.  She’s just got signed to Righteous Babe Records.  Patty Griffin just moves me deeply.

'''DS: You moved out of New York because you had some difficulty with the music scene here?
 * AD: I feel it is a little tougher to make it here than in Boston if you are truly acoustic folk lyric driven.  I find that audiences in New York like a certain amount of bling and glamor to their performances.  A little more edge, a little cooler.  I felt for me Boston was the most conducive environment.

'''DS: Do you feel home up in Boston?
 * AD:I do, and part of that is the great folk community.

'''DS: Why do you think Boston has such a well-developed folk scene?
 * AD: It’s always historically been a folk hub.  There’s a lot of awesome folk stations like WUMB and WERS.  Legendary folk clubs, like Club Passim.  Those have stayed in tact since the sixties.

'''DS: Is there anything culturally about Boston that makes it more conducive to folk?
 * AD: Once you have a buzz, the buzz creates more buzz.  Some people hear there’s a folk scene in Boston, and then other people move there, so the scene feeds itself and becomes a successful scene.  It’s on-going.

'''DS: Do you have a favorite curse word?
 * AD: [Giggles]  Cunt.  [Giggles]

'''DS: Really?! You are the first woman I have met who likes that word!
 * AD: Oh, really?  I’ll use it in a traffic situation.  Road rage.  [Laughs]

'''DS: Do you find yourself more inspired by man-made creations, including people and ideas, or nature-made creations?
 * AD: I love nature, but it is limited.  It is what it is, and doesn’t include the human imagination that can go so much further than nature.

'''DS: What are some man made things that inspire you?
 * AD: New York City as a whole is just an amazing city.  People are so creative and it is the hub of personal creativity, just in the way people express themselves on a daily basis.

'''DS: Do you think you will return?
 * In theory I will return one day if I have money, but in theory you need money to enjoy yourself.

'''DS: What trait do you deplore in yourself?
 * AD: Like anyone, I think laziness.  I’m a bit a hard on myself, but there’s always more I can do.  As a touring singer-songwriter I work hard, but sometimes I forget because I get to sleep in and my job is not conventional, and sometimes I think ‘Oh, I don’t even have a job, how lazy I am!’ [Laughs]  Then, of course, there are times I’m touring my ass off and I work hard as well.  It comes in shifts.  There are times there is so much free time I have to structure my own days, and that’s a challenge.

'''DS: When is the last time you achieved a goal and were disappointed by it and thought, “Is that all there is?”  Something you wanted to obtain, you obtained it, and it wasn’t nearly as fulfilling as you thought it would be.
 * AD: I was just thinking about the whole dream of becoming a musician.  I want to maybe do a research project about people’s dreams and how they feel about them after they come true.  It’s really interesting.  They change a lot.  When I was 17 I saw Ani Difranco on stage and I wanted to do that, and now I’m doing it.  Now I think about Ani very differently.  I wonder how long it took her to drive here, she must be tired; I’m thinking of all the pragmatic things that go on behind the scenes.  The backside of a dream you never consider when you’re dreaming it.  To some extent, having my dream fulfilled hasn’t been a let-down, but it’s changed.  It’s more realistic.

'''DS: What is a new goal?
 * AD: Balance.  Trying to grow my career enough to make sure it doesn’t consume me.  It’s hard to balance a touring career because there is no structure to your life.  I’m trying to take this dream and make it work as a job.

'''DS: How challenging is it to obtain that in the folk world?
 * AD: There’s not a lot of money in the folk world.  In generally right now I think people’s numbers are down and only a few people can make a living at it.  It’s pretty competitive.  I’m doing okay, but there’s no huge riches in it so I’m trying to think of my future and maintain a balance in it.

'''DS: Do you think of doing something less folk-oriented to give your career a push?
 * Not really, I’ve done that a little bit by trying to approach the major labels, but that was when the major labels were dying so I came in at a bad time for that. I found that when it comes to do it yourself, the folk world is the best place to make money because as soon as you go major you are paying a band.

'''DS: More money more problems.
 * AD: More money, more investing.  It’s a hard question.

'''DS: What things did you encounter doing a studio album that you had not foreseen?
 * AD: Giving up control is hard when you have a producer.  His vision, sometimes, is something you can’t understand and have to trust sometimes.  See how it comes out.  That was hard for me, because up until now I have been such a do it yourself, writing my own songs, recording them myself.

'''DS: What is your most treasured possession?
 * AD: I’d like to say my guitar, but I’m still looking for a good one.  I have this little latex glove.  [Laughs]  It’s a long story—

'''DS: Please! Do tell!
 * AD: When I was in college I had a romantic friend named David, he was kind of my first love.  We were young and found this latex glove in a parking lot.  We though, “Oh, this is a nice glove, we’ll name him Duncan.”

'''DS: You found a latex glove in a parking lot and you decided to take it?
 * AD: Yeah [Laughs].  He became the symbol of our friendship.  He’s disgusting at this point, he’s falling apart.  But David and I are still friends and we’ll pass him back and forth to each other every three years or so when we’ve forgotten his existence.   David surprised me at a show in Philly.  He gave Duncan to the sound man who brought it back stage, and now I have Duncan.  So he’s kind of special to me.

'''DS: If you could choose how you die, how would you choose?
 * AD: Not freezing to death, and not in an airplane, because I’m afraid of flying.  Painlessly, like most people.  In my sleep when I’m so old and senile I don’t know what hit me.  I’d like to get real old.

'''DS: Would you be an older woman with long hair or short hair?
 * AD: I guess short hair, because long hair looks a little witchy on old people.

'''DS: Who are you supporting for President?
 * AD: I’m torn between Obama and Hillary.  Someone who is going to win, so I guess Hillary.

'''DS: You don’t think Obama would have a chance of winning?
 * AD: I don’t know.  If he did, I would support Barack.  I don’t really care; either of those would make me happy.

'''DS: What trait do you value most in your friends?
 * AD: Kindness.

'''DS: What trait do you deplore in other people?
 * AD: Arrogance.  Showiness.

'''DS: Where else are you going on tour?
 * AD: Alaska in a few days.  Fairbanks, Anchorage and all over the place.  I’m a little nervous because I will be driving by myself and I have this vision that if I get hit by a moose then I could freeze to death.

'''DS: And you have to fly up there!
 * AD: Yeah, and I hate flying as well—so I’m really scared!  [Laughs]

'''DS: Is there a big folk scene in Alaska?
 * AD: No, but I hear people are grateful if anyone makes it up there, especially in the winter.  I think they are hungry for any kind of entertainment, no matter the quality.  [Laughs]  Someone came to us!  I actually played there in June in this town called Seldovia, that has 300 people, and all 300 people came to my gig, so the next day I was so famous!  Everyone knew me, the gas station attendant, everyone.  It was surreal.

'''DS: So you had that sense of what Ani DiFranco must feel.
 * AD: Yeah!  I was Paul McCartney.  I thought this was what it must be like to be Bruce Springsteen, like I can’t even buy a stick of gum without being recognized.

'''DS: Did you like that?
 * AD: I think it would be awful to be that famous because you have moments when you just don’t feel like engaging.


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On hold
Right now I am holding back on development. I am waiting for more sources to emerge as reports are written about events that are (currently) unfolding across the country. --SVTCobra 17:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Ready
Of course, more can be added, but it can be published now. --SVTCobra 21:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Former Oral Roberts University Regent member speaks out

Information should not still be added to this article. It is from November 9. --SVTCobra 18:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Antje Duvekot on life as a folk singer, her family and her music

Original reporting notes
In person interview conducted on Friday, November 9, 2007. --David Shankbone 19:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

hi, it's antje duvekot about whom this article is written. i'm hopeful this will reach the administrators of wikinews. i am writing to request that you remove the part of this interview where i talk about my falling out with my parents. PLEASE. i really don't want this information out there. please please if you could just remove it from the interview. it would also mean a lot to me if you could remove the part where i said that my favorite curse word is 'cunt'. this interview has been haunting me. but i can live with it if just those two elements were removed. or if it's easier to remove the whole article that would be swell too.

thank you! antje duvekot pantjebear@yahoo.com 215-219-8609

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Pilot of Garuda Indonesia Flight 200 speaks out for first time

November 11, 2007 Marwoto Komar, pilot of Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737-400 which overshot the runway in Yogyakarta, Indonesia on March 7, killing 21, has spoken to the media for the first time about the accident. Five of the deceased were Australian.

"I am deeply, deeply mourning for the victims and for the Australians," Mr Komar told News Limited . A recent report found his actions to be chiefly responsible for the disaster, finding that he had ignored fifteen automated warnings that he was going too fast, and describing him as fixated with landing. As a result, he is likely to face criminal charges.

Mr Komar broke down outside his Jakarta residence as he told reporters “I didn't plan for this to happen. The point is that I want people to know I am deeply in mourning and also that I understand what the families feel. I just did my job as normal, as usual, flying as a pilot.”

Mr Komar is currently undergoing psychological treatment for mental problems caused by the crash. His flying license has been suspended. "Every day I am here at home, I have never run away. I have explained everything to the KNKT (Indonesian National Transportation Safety Committee) and to the police," he said.

Mr Komar said he couldn't comment on technical aspects of the crash, or of the criticisms of his conduct, as the matter is still under police investigation. He is likely to face negligence charges which carry a prison sentence if convicted.

Three other Garuda employees are currently being questioned in Jakarta by police as part of the investigation. They've been told that they are being interrogated as "witnesses".

Meanwhile, Emirsyah Satar, managing director of the airline, has announced an intention to resume flights to Europe next year, assuming success in a current bid to get the airline off the list of air carriers banned in the EU, where all Indonesian airlines were placed earlier this year. He suggested Amsterdam as the most likely destination.


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Malaysian car maker unveils 'Islamic car'

November 11, 2007 Proton, a car company in Malaysia has announced that it plans to begin building a car specifically for Muslims.

They will work with other car makers in Iran and Turkey to build an "Islamic" car, which would the first car of its kind and will be unlike any other car on the world's market.

"What they (Iran) want to do is to call that an Islamic car. We will identify a car that we can develop and produce it in Malaysia, Iran or Turkey. For Proton, we are more than happy because we have products that we can share," said Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir, the chief executive of Proton. The idea was originally proposed by Iran.

Features are to include a compartment for the person's headscarf and Qur'an as well as a compass that will constantly point in the direction of Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Currently, Volkswagen which is headquartered in Germany, is in negotiations to partner with Proton and American automaker General Motors Corporation. Proton has been posting financial losses, with over US$160 million lost in 2007 alone.


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Talk:Vanity Fair contributing editor Craig Unger on the Bush family feud, neoconservatives and the Christian right

Original reporting notes
Interview conducted in person on November 9, 2007, in New York City. --David Shankbone 22:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Removed last sentance in first paragraph; editorializing. 13:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

David, shouldn't "Yes, I believe what Bush has done has been ordained by God." be "Yes, I believe Bush thinks what he has done has been ordained by God."

It isn't clear who is asserting this the way it is now. --Terrible Tim 21:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are right. --David Shankbone 21:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Puritans were not Christian Zionists!
Interesting interview, but a couple of times Unger speaks of the Puritan vision of America as a new "Promised Land" and then immediately turns to "Christian Zionism," which is the belief that Israel must be given back to the Jews. This is a sly move, but the problem is that the Puritans were not Christian Zionists. There is a big difference between what they said and what some--not all--modern evangelicals think. It seems a little sloppy to make that move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.140.243 (talk) 05:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
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