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User talk:Amgine/Archive2

Thanks for the welcome
I'm afraid I've been rather 'bold' with many of the changes I've made today. All of them were intended to make writing good articles easier for a newcomer. If you feel I've messed anything up, please don't hesitate to tell me on my talk page! Dan100 00:41, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear about the thinking behind all my (rather numerous!) changes, I've updated by userpage to illustrate my reasons. Thanks! Dan100 00:56, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Workspace and Editor tasks template
Hi, I'm pressing to make a few changes to this to make it easier and clearer to understand and use. I've started a discussion on the water cooler. Feel free to comment! Dan100 09:49, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Your WN:3RR concern.
I changed the part you objected to to read: "the 3RR may apply to small groups of two or three working in concert to harrass another person." Is that better? -- Davodd | Talk 11:37, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Request, if you still can.
If you still have sysop privs, could you delete this page: Talk:DirecTV tunes out Trio, network in limbo - it was vandalized (see first edit in history) and then self-blanked. -- Davodd | Talk 07:17, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fairuse and press links

 * http://profs.lp.findlaw.com/copyright/copyright_6.html
 * http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-a.html
 * http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html
 * http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.html
 * http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-d.html

Squeakfox discussion
Amgine, I think there is a misunderstanding. I did not say this article was a download from anywhere. I state here and now very clearly that I wrote the article on the morning of 4th January after reading this article from La Prensa, Honduras [] and it was entirely my own original article. That is why I feel aggrieved at this plagiarism charge. The La Prensa article makes a link with this murder and another much more grisly murder that occurred on December 23rd, see [] Pepe Lobo is a well known politician here in Honduras. As I say, none of this article was taken from anywhere other than the mentioned sources, and from my own personal knowledge of honduran affairs gleaned from living here. I do not want to be branded a plagiarist for an article that is my own original work. That is all. And obviously that the piece stays on wikinews. I hope this is all clear, and that you can let me know what is going on re the article.--Squeakfox 01:16, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I wrote to Security PostNews (whom I do not and haave never worked for) telling them they had printed an article written by me and taken from wikinews by them. They have now removed the offending article, so please can a decision be quickly made on the fate of the original article. The person who spotted it as a download has apologised to me for their mistake. Squeakfox 23:10, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

dear Amgine, please why are you still questioning the validity of Two women strangled in further political violence in Honduras when I have admitted to being the author of this work, and have sourced it correctly. It was taken from wikinews along with two other articles, which are now also challenged, until this issue is sorted outSqueakfox 22:35, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

My request on the Admin page
Well I would appreciate it much more if you made the fix I described to eliminate the extra white space at the top of the Main Page. :)

But if you only have time for one thing, Jamesday mentioned that he was hesitant to use his powers to delete the article in question himself, so if you can do so - great!

(However he mentioned something about deleting the archive tables so no one can undelete the page. Do you know how to do that?)

Regards,

— DV 19:56, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note
Thanks for the welcome note, and I did have an edit conflit while trying to fix up my sources. However, it was great hearing from you, and I thank you for your help! This would be my first contribution to the whole Wiki "sphere of stuff" so I'm still finding it a bit hard to get used to everything. All the help pages work. Messup 00:21, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the kind words.. And the challenging ones, too. I am glad people like you are around to challenge preconceptions and enable us to grow or see the world in ways that we had not thought of before. -- Davodd | Talk 06:35, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Developing stories template
This was an attempt to get developing stories on the front page ASAP. It's also an attempt to keep that page's format from being accidentally destroyed by a newbie. Yesterday we had 3 stories on the Workspace that never migrated to the front page until after I got home at about 9 p.m. California time. Do you have an idea on how to achieve these goals in an easier-to-use way? -- Davodd | Talk 21:25, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Daily page thing
Do you fancy leaving some notes on the Water cooler explaining the new pages? Is it a replacement for Digests? Dan100 (Talk) 15:51, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reverting the spam
It's a pleasure :) Ronline 09:10, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

DynamicPageList extension
Amgine, I've done some work on the extension and have put it to a test at http://www.ilya.us/wiki/ Please take a look. I've tried to run this by folks on #mediawiki but they weren't really helpful about moving this forward. Let me know what you think. With this extension (perhaps expanded to three categories max) we could list stories from, say, the union of Category:Spain and Category:Politics and conflicts, or Category:January 12, 2005 and Category:South America. Or Category:January 12, 2005 and Category:Published (the latter could be taken away if the page needs to not appear in listings while it's copyedited). The page using the tag would always need a purge to get new data, but it's still much easier than having to explicitely list stories. -- IlyaHaykinson 08:53, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Crossword
Crosswords/2005/January/27 Dysprosia 08:24, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

logo
Have you seen the discussion about the process on the watercooler? I'm keen to keep the ball rolling towards getting rid of our current ugly logo, but I'm unclear as to where people think we should go next. I'd appreciate your input! Dan100 (Talk) 19:27, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Listing articles
You removed Zhao Ziyang's funeral scheduled for Saturday from 2005/January/27. I dont see why you did this. Writing_an_article tells us to list articles after completing them. If incomplete, I would like to know what needs to be fixed....but where this it say articles should not be listed? --Jiang 09:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I have replied on my talk page. Please respond there or wherever else suggested. --Jiang 05:48, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Weather report
Hi Amgine,

I'm not sure if Ilya briefed you by e-mail or on IRC, but I posted this reply over on the Dutch Wikinews site when Waerth asked about the weather report:

"The weather map is created with the open source WeatherChecker application. You can find out more by reading the image description for any of the map images on the Wikimedia Commons site."

"Ilya and I are working on making the WeatherChecker application self-contained, so it will no longer require external XML, data-driven image files. Once this work is completed, it will be possible for anyone to generate the weather report without having to use proprietary tools. Ilya usually posts an announcement on the WeatherChecker site when new versions are posted, as well as on the WeatherChecker page over on English Wikinews."

One of the contributors on the Dutch site chose to strip off the Fahrenheit version of the map. I'm kind of surprised the German site didn't do the same thing.

Anyways, that's the latest status of what's been going on with the Weather report.

Regards,

— DV 22:49, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Article names
Hey, thanks for changing the headline of my hospital article, i tend to forget that there is a small minority of people who are unlucky enough to live somewhere other than Australia :P Seriously though, i can see why the longer titles are needed, but they always seem to be less elegent, which is a pity. It would be nice if there was some way to have two articles which were exactly the same except for thier titles, one for the Australian (or any other country) section of the site, and one for the main page. It might end up opening the a pandoras box though... The bellman 22:19, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * yeah i know, but it doesnt change what the actual title on the top of the page is when i click on the link. :( The bellman 22:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image now added to Aircraft story
Thanks for the hints re. the use of Wikipedia images; now sorted, though I had to create a second Wikicommons account to do it. I reckon that issue needs sorting out permanently so people don't have to copy image licence information all over. It must be a bit of an obstacle to having the articles illustrated.

VikOlliver 06:52, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Historical RFC
Hi, Amgine. Thanks for the offer about User:Amgine/Maureen's RfC, but no thank you. I think that for me to accept it could aggravate any future problems. I do appreciate your support. Thanks, and I hope you're doing well. 63.19.192.24 05:48, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

= Archived March 20 =

Adminship
Hi Amgine,

you're now an admin. Enjoy!--Eloquence 13:41, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

New front page?
You mention a new front page layout - was this discussed anywhere off IRC? I rarely have the time to be on IRC, and quite apart from my personal point of view, discussion of major changes needs to be documented somewhere on the wiki itself. Dan100 (Talk) 21:28, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Original research
G'day kido, Was there any particular reason that you made the OR template vertical rather than horizontal. I only ask because in Iraqi Elections kept low-key, but secure, in Paris it makes a whole heap of white space. Otherwise, i think you took my humble little start for the template, and made it into something much better. Thanks, The bellman 08:52, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the comment you left, Amgine... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hpnadig#Wikipedians_who_blog) the link you gave leads me to a blank article. Why not mail me the exact link to hpnadig at gmail dot com, and I'll reply back as soon as possible. thanks.

European Union Rejects Software Patents
Thanks for your comments. I saw that article yesterday, but did'nt get round to listing it. I'll put it up now after I change the image on the Economy and Business page (im after adding a new lead story about a minute ago). All the best. CGorman 21:13, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Xword
Well... you certainly start things! argh.. anyway... there are already two comments about removing the xword, and one pm to me about it. On this matter I think you may be mistaken, but please comment about it. Did you note how many people have edited that main page, and the masthead, and this one thing has not been touched? - Amgine 22:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I commented in watercooler. I do not think that one particular non-news article link deserves such prominent placement. Maybe a better place exists for the link aside from the main page banner. -- Davodd | Talk 23:06, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose we could always put it in 6-point type in the footer of the main page, too. Sorry... I'm a bit upset about this since it has been one of the very few highly successful recruitment efforts, and the back-and-forth arguing about it has cost us one contributor for sure and quite possibly Dysprosia as well. This was not, in my opinion, a disagreement worth having. - Amgine 07:17, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Well that's just silly. Of course it is a disagreement worth having. Inclusion of games in the wikinews site is expanding our mission beyond that of being a news source. No one has yet explained in any way how inclusion of a game falls within our mission statement. Should we also include word searches and anagram puzzles? Should we include stratics for other games such as bridge or ches - or even video games? If we lose contributors whose only interst in Wikinews is creating a space for games, then I do not see how it hurts our mission as a news source, since they were never creating news or developing tools for writers, anyway. -- Davodd | Talk 10:08, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The contributor who, I believe, has left felt the admins are arbitrarily deletionist and opposed to making changes either to the content or to their personal concept of what online journalism consists of.
 * As for the content you discuss above - if someone is willing to create this content the I can only say, boldly, Wikinews is not paper. There is no specific harm in carrying this content, it does not remove news nor limit it's presentation. - Amgine 15:11, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how my actions were deletionist since I did not delete an article. I simply removed a link to a game that is consistently out of date from the Wikinews masthead. But if the community wants it there, then it should stay. (Notice I didn't revert it back out). -- Davodd | Talk 18:51, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * You added it to a box headered "Browse latest news by" but removed it from a menu bar which had no news links in it? - Amgine 07:41, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I was trying to find a place for the crossword, but as you aptly pointed out, there really is no appropriate place for it on Wikinews. So I guess the place for it is in the masthead banner. -- Davodd | Talk 10:09, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, most mastheads include brief tables of contents to their sections. The A&E section generally gets prominent billing, often simply "Comics". - Amgine 15:11, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, those same publications also have classified ads, display ads, how-to columns, movie reviews, horoscopes, recipies, original reporting, advice columns and the like. As you implied above, Wikinews is not (news)paper. -- Davodd | Talk 18:51, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Admin action request for Weather report
I have a small request pending, which should take but a moment, at:

Administrators

I would be grateful if you could help me out with this change.

Thanks.

Regards,

David Vasquez

 * The table nesting problem is fixed now. Thanks for your help! This will make it easier to update the weather report. — DV 00:17, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedians who blog
You asked me to visit Wikinews and blogs, but that page has no text. Please advise. <>< tbc/ talk

Weather report updating
Hi Amgine,

Most of the updating you've seen in the past few days has been to add new regions to the weather report.

Now that the lowest-level link template has the "region" and "scale" parameters, there is only one template that needs to be updated on a regular basis, the one with the name of the most recent image, "CurWeatherMapImage".

I tried uploading on top of the same file name for updates, but it was unreliable. For some reason the most recent image would often refuse to appear, even after purging the page on which it appeared.

However, if you know of a way to reference a template on Commons, that would eliminate the need for updating the copy of the CurWeatherMapImage template on each Wikinews language site, since they could all share the same template on Commons to grab the name.

In any case, hopefully this is only a short-term issue. Once WeatherChecker, or some related script, is able to automatically update the "CurWeatherMapImage" template, this will be a moot point. I'm looking forward to automating the posting of the generated images and updating of the CurWeatherMapImage template, as we could then have hourly updates for a much more timely report.

Regards,

— DV 17:10, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Capitalization poll
Sorry that my edit was not clear as the poll did not show a true consensus. I was copying from the "style guide", which is only a proposed policy like the rest. How does this clarification of the policies page look? (I haven't changed the actual policy page this time.) The previous page said that the capitalization poll was still in progress, which it isn't. See: Policies and guidelines/Naming conventions and Style guide.

Convention: The Wikinews style guide, a proposed policy, says that downstyle capitalisation should be used. In this case, only the initial word and proper nouns are capitalized. In upstyle headlines (in less-frequent use, is considered to be more formal), all nouns and most other words with more than four letters are capitalized. Downstyle: "Powell to lead U.S. delegation to Asian tsunami region" Upstyle: "Powell to Lead U.S. Delegation to Asian Tsunami Region". Downstyle (aka minimal) headlines are popular with most online and many print media publications.

However, after a recent poll about whether Wikinews should use upstyle or downstyle capitalization for headlines, the downstyle emerged only as the generally preferred method, as no consensus was reached. Therefore, either format can be used on Wikipedia, with a preference for downstyle. See: Polls

--Andrew pmk 03:19, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Revised example of above
Convention: Downstyle headlines are preferred on Wikipedia, but upstyle headlines are acceptable.

Downstyle: "Powell to lead U.S. delegation to Asian tsunami region" Upstyle: "Powell to Lead U.S. Delegation to Asian Tsunami Region".

The Wikinews style guide, a proposed policy, says that downstyle capitalisation should be used. In this case, only the initial word and proper nouns are capitalized. In upstyle headlines (in less-frequent use, is considered to be more formal), all nouns and most other words with more than four letters are capitalized. Downstyle (aka minimal) headlines are popular with most online and many print media publications.

According to a recent poll regarding whether Wikinews should use upstyle or downstyle capitalization for headlines, downstyle emerged as the generally preferred method, but no consensus was reached. See: Polls

Comments? --Andrew pmk 03:30, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your comments on the crossword puzzle poll were correct
I admit it. Polls are evil.

It really is more productive to pursue collaboration to reach a consensus, instead of reducing everything to a vote.

If only the rest of the world saw it that way.

The current logo is doomed to be designed by committee or watered down to what offends the fewest number of voters anyways, so I won't get too worked up about it.

In light of your crossword puzzle poll comments, I am surprised that you are now a stickler regarding the rules of the logo poll. A strict interpretation of the polling rules defeats any effort to collaborate and try to improve the design based upon the feedback offered during the voting.

As I said in my remarks on the water cooler, I'll refrain from adding any more variations, but it seems kind of self-defeating to refuse improvements just because they weren't submitted prior to some arbitrary deadline.

— DV 06:16, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Amgine, I apologize for not listening to you. The discussion on the Crossword poll talk page has been very eye opening — I've been staying away from commenting until now because of a desire to understand why I misunderstood the community.

Thanks for being a voice of reason. I've amended the mission statement and changed my vote. -- IlyaHaykinson 07:35, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Different logo stuff
Amgine,

Responding to feedback by presenting variations which incorporate that feedback is not "cheating or rule breaking", it's "collaboration".

We are not running a commercial enterprise with deadlines based upon having to pay the rent. We can take our time to get things right around here, if we choose to do so.

Theories about voting systems and political gaming are not relevant when the goal is collaboration, so I don't understand the fixation by a few on "the rules" of the vote, when the ideal intent of any design vote should be to quickly elicit feedback to see if we are headed in the right direction, rather than to select "winners" and "losers".

Those who believe that we must have a "final vote" with "no modifications or variations" view this vote as an endpoint rather than a waypoint. This seems anti-wiki. I think we should always be able to make improvements. We will probably have to agree to disagree on that point.

Apparently, the community did not ascribe any importance to "the rules" either, as voters went ahead and voted up or down on the new variations anyways, and continue to do so.

We have the decision on which concept - "a globe with waves". The last minute tweaking was well-intentioned, and as you say yourself, "an improvement" on the theme of the originals.

To avoid conflict, I've pledged not to submit any more variations for the duration of the vote, despite the fact that this prevents responding to any more feedback.

So no harm, no foul, the vote runs until the 12th, after which we will have a better idea about the preferences of the average voter.

Who knows, perhaps a new wave of votes, selecting one of the original entries, will be entered as the poll progresses, and your concern about late entries will be a moot point.

— DV 17:55, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Guess what? I, too, am trying out a South America template system...
And I'd love to hear feed back from you about it.- talk/Amgine 19:49, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think it is much better than the current setup. How do I change to it? Thank you very much. --Carlosar 11:14, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello?

I'm so confused about how this site works, but I think my story got published...

cdnjay

Sure Thing
Sure, if you get the press access for the Juno Site i'll be happy to have access to it to hopefully do some more reporting on it. I'm still having trouble with some of the special wiki editing stuff but hopefully i'll be able to work through it soon enough (how I managed to get that story published i'll never know). I'd also like to start a regional bureau for my provnice of Canada but I don't know how to do that. I'm taking a media production course in college right now so hopefully that will help me out with all of this.

Here's hoping this actually gets posted in your "my talk" section. \

cdnjay

Okey Dokey
My communications teacher used to be a newspaper writer so she may be a bit irked by the whole "anyone can edit" deal but i'll still let her know about what's goin on here. I think it would be cool if every student had to publish two stories on here a month or something (there's 23 of us.) The program is already fairly busy (between the two years of students involved we produce a daily live newscast, run a radio station, and have several other projects we have to do as well.) We do need to get our foot in the door with the whole internet thing though so maybe she'll give it a look.

I'll try and get her to contact you about it on Monday. No promises though since I'M even still learning how to contact you!

cdnjay 05:09, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

CanadaCopyright
Re: your comment on the page of [[Media:Paul martin]]

Amgine, the copyright tag for images from Canadian governmental websites is. It has been copied from en.wikipedia.org to Commons and added to Copyright tags.

Andrew pmk 01:15, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Grin back

 * ) -Stevertigo
 * Thanks - Its been a while. -Stevertigo 00:50, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Template mess
I'm still not up to speed on what the whole deal with the edit section links is, but Dan100 informed me that you overwrote his entire talk page with a single comment. Was that intentional?--Eloquence 12:37, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More copyright questions

 * 1) Who owns the copyright to a translation of a work; the translator, or the copyright holder of the original source material?
 * 2) Is CC-by-sa compatible with PD? My gut feeling is no - we could not publish an article en masse which was published under CC-by-sa because we cannot guarantee re-users would insist their products be share-alike. (This was my justification for deleting the Google story, which was an exact copy of the contributors blog entry, licensed under CC-by-sa.)

I'm confused by the many variations of licensure... - Amgine 21:42, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Translations - whether to another language (German to English) or another form of media (Print to Wiki markup)are considered derivative works of the original. This means the original (source material) copyright holder's claim transfers with the translation.
 * CC-by-sa is not compatible with PD - since release to PD means that no credit must be given and no restrictions of use can be enforced on material copied from a PD source.
 * Basically, PD means no license or copyrights of any kind are reserved -- the submitter releases claim to any rights and gives up all control of or credit for the work. Putting content with any licensing or credit requirements into PD would be a violation of that license. -- Davodd | Talk 22:27, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why are you protecting so many pages?
According to the logs, you have taken it upon yourself to start protecting a large number of articles, almost all of which were not subject to repeated vandalism or edit warring.

I contributed to some of the articles which you have protected.

I don't understand why I no longer have the option to edit them.

If you feel compelled to protect a page, the protection should be temporary.

With the exception of the Main Page and the site-wide banner, I shouldn't have to be an Administrator to fully participate in editing any of the articles on this site.

Your action appears to be a direct violation of the Foundation issues.

Please reconsider this wide-ranging action, or at a minimum, first build a consensus for formally changing the site-wide policy, before you continue protecting such a large number of articles.

I have added additional comments to the Water Cooler which explain why I think pre-emptive page protection is a bad idea.

— DV 22:52, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I couldn't tell from the change logs, but are you being consistent about when you archive a story through page protection?

 * It would help to have a clear policy which states, "Articles will be protected for archival purposes after  days."

 * This will allow those of us who occassionally correct older articles to know when the deadline is coming up for any last-minute changes.

 * — DV 05:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

heya
I'm not quite back yet (more just popping in for a 5 min cup of tea), but dont worry, in a couple of days ill be back on freenode and ready to be trouted. :) The bellman 03:34, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews Trophy
For all your hard work and many hours (free of charge) helping build the Wikinews community and for your passionate arguments to keep the project on track and in focus. -- Davodd | Talk 06:41, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Request Undeletion of Article Google-Wikipedia
Request Undeletion of Article

I am a freshwoman to Wikinews and have great respect for your experience. I humbly request the revert of this speedy deletion of the article Google plans to help Wikipedia. I now think that you mean that the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license is too restrictive. I realized indeed that it could be difficult for Wikinews to use this text. So i changed the License to Creative Commons Attribution. Future suggestions are welcome.

I am the legitimate owner of the article http://sweetsilhouette.blogspot.com/2005/02/google-wants-to-host-wikipedia-or-its.html and have put it under the most generous and simple license i know. I believe in Collaborative Work and Wikipedia and want to contribute in Wikinews now. However i want to post my articles in my Blog too. That's not as easy as it may seem. If i would write the article in Wikipedia or Wikinews first and later on in my Blog, i would have to add a lengthy origin notice and possibly even put all my content on my webpage under GFDL and add a local copy of the GFDL to refer to.

The other way round is much easier. There is even a decent tool for conversion of HTM2Wiki Markup but i saw this ingenious Wikipedia Tool unfortunately only today. So it was not a copy-paste job but more than 1 hour of adaptation to readable Wiki. I would like to respond to the questions of Dam100, but i can't do this if the history is deleted.

I am the legitimate creator of the Blog entry and I can put the text under Public Domain like stated in the edit form. I am aware that Wikinews is currently growing fast and has currently no Copyright policy, but let's just build one through consensus. :-) "2. Avoid copyright violation.

 * For more, Wikinews:Copyright - not yet created, since we do not have official licensing policy."

Update: Did you read Policies and guidelines/Fair use ? If the licenses Creative Commons CC-BY, Creative Commons CC-BY-SA, BSD license, GNU General Public License are acceptable for images, they should be OK for texts too. Policies and guidelines/Image use policy

PS: Why is there no record of the deletion ? No delete Request no Speedy Deletion Record, nothing. The article and its references vanished as if they never existed. I will remind you of the fact that i did not start the article nor did i the links in Developing Stories. I just extended it. The fact that the collaborative work of some members is deleted for this reason is worrying.

Put some suggestions how to sort this out. Thank you --Sweets 23:12, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I responded on Talk:Google plans to help Wikipedia - Amgine 09:30, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Flags
The problem I have with worrying too much about NPOV flag position is just that one could easily interpret any arrangement as having any meaning at all. The fact that Palestine must be under Israel, or vice versa, no matter what, seems to be insurmountable for those who would be overly sensitive about such things (even left-right has meaning). I think that the blended version is a bit ugly. Why don't we wait to see if anybody is oversensitive enough to complain? If somebody really makes a huff over it, then maybe some discussion could go into what would be a totally value-neutral image (can there be such a thing?), but until then I will hope for the good sense of those involved not to overly interpret politics into a simple diagram (which again, could be done quite arbitrarily. Is Israel above Palestine because it is better than Palestine, or because it is oppressing Palestine? Either one is equally plausible, because there is no inherent meaning in such an arrangement). --Fastfission 01:14, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way, to chime in on this, I made the original combination image. My original thought was to place the two flags offset from each other (so that they're not one contiguous rectangle). Israel's flag was placed first, but under Palestine's. I doubt that there are inherently more neutral ways to place these flags. The left-right issue is mostly moot, since being "first" is a matter of your writing's script: in both Arabic and Hebrew it would be right-to-left, and in English it's left-to-right.
 * All that said, flags are inherently POV (especially when a flag is disputable), and when we can avoid it we should use photos. -- IlyaHaykinson 01:23, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

and thats why we beat the pants off the BBC, because we care...
Thankyou, doing copy and pastes of names and what not will he so much easier now... The bellman 03:33, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * :P

Bulgarian language
Bulgarian language = Български език

Most of the bulgarian users can read it in UTF, because don't use mIRC client. -- DCLXVI 217.10.250.235 20:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A little
Im also pushed for time - i've done a little editing on the article... but its not ready yet. CGorman 22:56, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is fairly ok now, there were a few other edits over night, so i've put it up on the economy and business page. Sorry I could'nt finish it last night, I was just finishing up a draft of United Iraqi Alliance win slight majority before heading to bed. CGorman 14:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cricket
Hi - thanks for the feedback. You might know me better as "danzero" on irc :). The rivalry between Aus and NZ is huge in cricket, rugby and just about any other sport we both play.  I'm hoping to keep posting throughout the series.

About Edits to United Iraqi Alliance win slight majority
Hi Amgine,

United Iraqi Alliance win slight majority was first edit on WikiNews, so thanks for looking it over and since you only made minor edits, I assume the other stuff I said was OK.

I did have one question about your edit. I assume you took out the bolded portion of this statement that I wrote because of NPOV:

 * Many Sunni voters stayed away from the pools either because of a fear of violence or to support the call by some radical clerics to boycott the elections. As a result the Sunni-led Iraqis Party won only five seats in parliament. The results are summarized in the following table:

But those two sentences were my attempt to rewrite the following sentence from the Boston Globe (to avoid Copyright problems):

 * The Sunni-led Iraqis Party won only five seats in parliament, because many Sunni Arabs avoided the elections either out of fear of violence or to support a boycott call by radical clerics opposed to the U.S. military.

So doesn't the fact that this was "reported" by a major US newspaper make it a fact and not a NPOV violation? Thanks for your help. -- FrankH 16:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comment on my Talk page. NOW I have a better understanding of NPOV and changed the article the way you suggested.  Thanks again. -- FrankH 17:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Interlanguage links
No problem for English!

Sorry for that... I searched for a method to be automaticaly updated the Romanian template when the English template is up2dated. If you have an idea, please give it to me too :-) --81.196.240.236 17:57, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That was strange
Quite curious that someone was trying to add a link to the CurWeatherMapImage template.

Thanks for catching the problem and fixing it. — DV 20:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I looked at what they were doing. For some reason someone from their site tried to substitute the page name variable for the page name template parameter, which only works if the page the template is sitting on doesn't have a space character in its name. Otherwise the template expands to include part of the "purge" URL text, and appears broken. They're getting away with it because in Romanian the main page site name appears as one word, whereas on en.wikinews, the Main Page page name was being interpreted as two words.

 * I'm still not sure what the "ro" text in the CurWeatherMapImage template was all about, however the version on their site doesn't have it, and they appear to have the weather map in working order at this time.

 * By the way, I never heard back from you if you know of a way to use text templates from Commons?

 * Regards,

 * — DV 20:49, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Transclusion
Yes I considered that course of action, but these new pages (in the the long run) are to include a lot of national news - news relevent to these countries but not to the world. I know that at present there are very few active editors on wikinews - but im prepared to keep these pages up to date. I live in Ireland so providing the UK/Ireland page with stories would be easy, ROnline and others produce a plentiful supply of Romanian news... not always of international relevence. That just leaves the Italy and Germany pages which I will try and keep up to date.

Another thing is Transclusions can be confusing to new writers trying to list there articles - God nows they used to confuse me! I hope your OK with this.

Oh, and am I familier enough yet! Please lend me your support for Admin status! Slán, agus géarr raibh míle maith agat (im Irish by the way!)

 * A ga.wikinews! Slán, agus géarr raibh míle maith agat is about the full extent of my Irish! Very few people in Ireland are fluet in Irish... and those that are... well lets just say they would generally not be in the demographic group that uses the internet or computers! The gaeilge wikipedia is run by a handful of dedicated writers and entusiasts. As for my little experimenting with new country portals... I'd still like to try and run them for a while to see how things go! CGorman 22:48, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Looking for inactive/ex-Wikipedians
Hi, Amgine, I'm conducting a series of interview studies about the Wikipedia and one of the things I'm trying hard to find minority voices--people who left for whatever reason. I've found a few through a variety of channels, but it's clearly a lot harder to find ex-pedians than current ones! I'd love to talk to you about your experiences.

If you are not interested, remove this message and forget it was ever there. If you are interested, please understand that any information you provide in an interview will be held in complete confidence and no identifiable details about you will be included if/when the results of this study are written up for publication.

If you would like to participate, please read and submit the form: consent form to consent to the study and I or one of my co-investigators will contact you to set up a (preferably phone) interview at a convenient time. For more information about me and my research, please feel free to visit my userpage on Wikipedia. Thanks for your time! Andrea Forte aka [Andicat] 23:46, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: study
Hi, if you have specific questions about the study I'm conducting, you can contact me directly at aforte(a)cc.gatech.edu. The basics are, I'm just beginning a long-term research project (my dissertation work) that will focus on knowledge building in online environments. The study is exploratory and qualitative. I'm doing interviews (along with three other graduate students) to learn about the experiences that people have had on Wikipedia to understand the dynamics of that particular community. -Andicat

Conspiracy theories
If conspiracy theories do not count as "patent nonsense" I am not sure what does. If we do not take a hard stance on this sort of thing it will be the doom of this project and any shreds of credibility it could ever have. The time scale for weeding out such things is much smaller in a news source than it is in an encyclopedia, in my opinion, and we need a much more forceful policy on this than a VfD page. In my opinion. --Fastfission 23:37, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I think that particular user is just a POV-pusher/conspiracy theorist who will be of no eventual value to this project, but we will see, I suppose. The fact that his article contains a "little bit of factual information" is beside the point: there has never been a conspiracy theory which did not try to buttress its more ridiculous claims on the connection of unrelated things. Anyway, we will see. --Fastfission 03:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Weather updates
You're welcome.

For a while there, after the power outage, my attempts to post the latest weather maps resulted in one window or another timing out or having a mysterious "read" error.

Have you seen any database corruptions or strange histories since the recovery? — DV 22:12, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

water cooler topic "conspiracy theories"
hi, thanks for your efforts to help me fit in. I noticed last night you moved the watercooler topic "conspiracy theories" from policy to miscelaneous, but now it seems to have disappeared altogether.Please tell me what happened to it?Paulrevere2005 14:17, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't seem to be able to edit the article.
Hi,how can I open the Hunter Thompson article to editing so I can try to "fix"it?Paulrevere2005 22:38, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Admin status
Thanks! CGorman 14:48, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

if only it were that simple.
Basicly, my uni sucks. The whole network is down, and will continue to be down for some time yet (im writing this from a public library). Im having wiki withdrawal symptoms damnit. The bellman 03:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Story on Dublin Airport quarantine
Hi Amgine,

I'm new to Wikinews and don't know the submission rules, so I wonder could you explain why you removed my story on the Dublin Airport Quarantine?  I thought Wikinews was for on-the-spot 'citizen-reporters', and not simply rewording stories from other media. The story did eventually turn up in the Sunday Times, a week later.

Seabhcan 11:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

gah
"will not be on IRC" try "can not be on IRC". And thanks for those links to the web based IRC thingos, but unfortunatly they dont work from behind this freaking network either. The bellman 12:06, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Main page
It used to be perfectly straightforward to put on article on the front page. Now it is well nigh impossible, and I cannot figure hoe to get my new article Proposal to ban VoIP in Costa Rica onto the front page. Why is it now so difficult. HELP! --Squeakfox 16:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

4.65.88.109 has added links to a page that i can not see when looking at that article. how is that possible? i understand this was a form of link spam, according to your definition, but shouldn't it be addressed in the forum, rather than just make them disappear?
 * never mind..i think there was a delay in updating. they are the links at the bottom of the article "another author..."

removing templates/tags
I don't know how to do it and would not do it.Paulrevere2005

templates
Ok, yes you're right,I did it. I thought that was just an anonymous edit..I will re-read the site use instructions again.Sorry, Paulrevere2005

Problems with skin
I have changed the monobook skin (Monobook.css) for  http://pt.wikinews.org/. However, after the change I cannot see the flollowing icons: lock_icon.gif, mail_icon.gif, external.png, etc, anymore. So, when I use a link like Yahoo link I don't see the external.png icon. How do I fix that? Thank you very much. --Carlosar 16:11, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

French or English Canada?
I know a few Canadians who like to speak in French to each other when they're just out of earshot. I think they're from Quebec.

Do you speak any French?

I hope you're enjoying your stay in Canada. My wife seems to think Toronto would be a nice place to visit.

I only see the cold temperatures on the weather map, so I'm not so sure.

If you don't care to disclose the name of the city you live in, could you at least reveal what latitude you are living at?

Cheers,

— DV 08:13, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for volunteering as an Admin
Amgine, I see you've decided to take a break from volunteering as an Admin.

Thank you for your service as an Admin on Wikinews.

You really made a difference on this site.

Best wishes for an enjoyable break.

— DV

Help
me! Dan100 (Talk) 21:45, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think the clean-up tag is justified. Is it really that badly written? I can't see how such a short story could be put any other way. It certainly couldn't be longer with so few facts available. Dan100 (Talk)

Thanks for mediating and calming everything that evening. Dan100 (Talk) 20:01, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

what to do about vandalism?
Hi, Dan100 took the opium piece off entirely with the reason being "give it a break". what should/can I do to complain? Paulrevere2005 12:51, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I re-added it to the day it was originally published on (Feb 11). (I hadn't actually realised it had been de-listed that day.) Although it's not an issue we've come to any conclusions over, I don't see why any article that has passed a DR should be re-listed at a later date. This leaves a conumdrum - the article that was too poor to be published at the time of DR listing, but is later improved and survives DR. By that stage it is going to be stale, old news that no-one is going to want to read. A tricky one. Dan100 (Talk) 20:00, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Let's scrap deletion requests
I'm proposing that we scrap deletion requests, and I'd appreciate your input! Dan100 (Talk) 11:29, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cuban Propaganda?
Please, take a look at the Spanish Wikinews. Can we do that? --Carlosar 05:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help at es:Wikinews. --Ascánder 11:21, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re:Spanish Main page issue
Hi. You did the right thing. That user had previously vandalized the help page. It was not only vandalism but copyvio too. Thanks a lot for your collaboration. Julián Ortega 15:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I was very grateful to see that the original author of the piece (User:Carlosar) translated it. I was not trying to impede this work -- it saved me a great deal of work myself. I just wanted to make absolutely sure that no one else was going to write a rather shoddy article instead of his wonderful one (though we can have multiple articles on the same subject, of course). Anyway, I should have checked who had written the article, but I was in a big hurry. Zantastik 04:45, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:China forbids 50 electronic games

50 games cannot be illegal until they have been banned. This sentence did not make sense so the word illegal has been removed. Squeakfox 19:17, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Carlosar 21:13, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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George Bush delivers State of the Union address

U.S. President George W. Bush tonight presented his annual State of the Union address. In the address, he proposed economic change, Social Security reform, the defense of the definition of marriage, and the spread of liberty in Iraq and elsewhere. The elections in Iraq were cited as an example of this.


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Beslan siege organiser speaks

February 3, 2005 The Beslan siege organiser, Chechen rebel, has spoken for the first time since declaring he was responsible for the hostage situation. The last September resulted in 330 deaths, half of which were children. Basayev was also responsible for the, in which 130 people died after a military assault to free the hostages and overwhelm the terrorists.

A package containing three video CDs with an hour's statement by Basayev was sent to, four months after they asked an intermediary questions about them man behind the attacks.

In the statement, the rebel leader aimed to justify the siege, claiming the Russian government's aggressive response was unexpected and led to the large number of deaths. He claims that he would and likely will do it again, though he said he appreciated that it would appear cynical. He restated that he is fighting for an end of Russian military offensives in Chechnya.

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PM of Georgia dies of gas poisoning

Zurab Zhvania, Prime Minister of Georgia, was found dead of gas poisoning at a friend's home. The China Daily quotes Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili: "This is a tragic accident... It was a gas poisoning."

Zhavani was visiting in the home of Raul Usupov, deputy governor from the Kvemo-Kartli region, when an apparent carbon monoxide leak from a gas space heater overcame and killed both him and his host.

Carbon monoxide poisoning is not unknown in Georgia; 45 deaths by carbon monoxide poisoning are reported by the official Russian Information Agency. Power supplies are not entirely reliable, and central heating systems are not universal, so small portable heaters are common even in the capital.

President Mikhail Saakashvili called an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss responding to the death. "(Zhvania's death) is a huge blow for our country and personally for me as a president and as a person," quotes the China Daily, "I have lost my closest friend, my most loyal adviser, my biggest ally."

Once a protegé of Eduard Shevardnadze, and widely viewed as his chosen successor, Zhvania chose to join the opposition in supporting Saakashvili. He has been viewed as a moderating influence on Saakashvili, who appointed Mr. Zhvania after taking office one year ago.

Zhavania joined Georgia's Green Party in the 1980s. He was chair of Georgia's Parliament from 1995-2001.

"He played an important role in helping Georgia meet its aspirations for greater peace, prosperity and euro-Atlantic integration," NATO chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said in his expression of condolences.

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European Union rejects software patents; starts new process

February 3, 2005

Despite assurances from the European Commissioner for the Internal Market Charles McCreevy that the Council would adopt its controversial Common Position text covering Software Patents, members voted to restart the entire process with a new directive.

MEP Michel Rocard noted several "inelegancies" by the Commission in his speech against the directive, such as not taking into account any of the Parliament's substantive amendments in its recommendation to the Council. He also took the Dutch and German governments to task for ignoring their respective parliaments. The Irish Presidency's sponsorship by Microsoft was also criticised, as were the attempted ratifications at fishery Council meetings.

There was also confusion over the actual effects of the proposed directive with industry players confirming that the Council text allowed pure software patents, while the Commission claimed it would not.

"In the debate, broad agreement prevailed over the fact that the current proposal was counter-productive and far from a good basis for a decision," said Italian MEP Monica Frassoni.

The computer-implemented inventions directive was voted down by members of European Parliament (MEP) in the legal affairs committee. 19 MEPs voted in favour of re-starting negotiations, 2 against with one abstention.


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UN says no genocide in Darfur

A report released by the United Nations last week said that there is no genocide in Sudan's western region of Darfur.

The report also says that the Sudanese government and its Arab militias had committed crimes against humanity by destroying villages and torturing, killing and raping civilians. According to the report, there is credible evidence that local rebel groups, including the Sudanese Liberation Army, are responsible for serious violations of international law which may amount to war crimes.

The government of the United States and aid agencies say genocide is been committed in Sudan.

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Portal talk:Economy and business

Hey, the page has'nt been edited since August, so i've updated it with more recent stories. I've also taken the chance to be bold - the wiki thing to do - and formated the major events section to read more like the frontpage - i.e. a lead article. I've also added a photo (relevent to the US Trade deficiet story) to add some visiual appeal to the page - something it lacked. I'm sure someone will come along and change the whole thing again, but thats what wiki's about! If no one does do so, i'll continue to update the page, and maybe even do the same with other topic pages! CGorman 22:19, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

On a seperate note - how about a final close section for world markets, currencies etc.? Like the weather on the main page. I'll investigate it a bit, all suggestions are welcome. CGorman 22:19, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Personal Triumph!
This morning after an RTE (the national tv station) story and a press release about Yahoo's investment in Dublin, I wrote Yahoo chooses Dublin as location of new European Headquarters - at the time the article went live on Wikinews - only 3 other places on the net carried the story - two being press releases, the other RTE. This evening there are literally dozens of stories about the move - in Australia, the UK, the US, on reuters, all over the place - it feels great to actually be first - to break the story! CGorman 23:20, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Commodities
Where ? (market).

Add VIX, in lower section with stock markets and oil prices.

User:MarketDataBot broken
Unfortunately I do not know how to fix the bot, but I guess it is more complicated. See Talk:Market Data.

Insert News manually
Do we have to insert the values manually then? Its been like since March since the indices have been updated. I personally wouldnt mind, but it would mean getting rid of the bot.--Xlegiofalco 23:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

NYSE and Nasdaq
I was wondering why these and other major stock exchanges dont have a category which can be added to article on companies listed on them and for articles about the exchanges themselves. These would be a useful way to categorise articles. Gnangarra (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Portal Business and Economics
This portal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Business_and_economics) is having trouble getting news and market indices information from this page.

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User talk:CGorman

Archives

 * February 2005
 * March 2005
 * April 2005
 * May 2005
 * June 2005
 * July 2005

Thank You!
Congratulations on your barnstar and thanks for all you do! --Chiacomo (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC) CGorman, thank you so much for your dedication in welcoming new users. I really think a lot of editors are still here because we do that. -- 04:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help --Macukali 14:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)--

Contributing Reporter Award
Never to late for a congrats! -- Davodd | Talk 06:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Davood! Just back from Monaco, so im only seeing it now. → CGorman (Talk) 20:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Image deleted at commons
Please see Talk:K'nesset Member Natan Sharansky resigns from coalition government to protest planned Gaza withdrawl and replace the image, thanks --217.125.210.207 11:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) (es:user:Sanbec)

Thanks for the welcome
Hi CGorman and thanks for the welcome note. To be honest I'm unlikely to start an account here - I shouldn't really have been fiddling with stories at all, as I am an ex-Wikipedian doing cold turkey, and I really shouldn't get back into all this stuff, tempting though it is. But I just came to it as a news source, then one little click ... gah! I should probably go away now ... thanks and best wishes from a Grumpy Old Git. 82.45.245.15 22:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, too
Check out my WP history, and save yourself from association with bad news , such as I present. But thanks for the welcome-Jimbo Wales must own this too -does he personally dis-invite others, do you suppose ? I say know thy history to save  us repeating the folly, I say real people hurt. He says why should he care? I care because the googling requires responsibility. I don't see it, so there is no happiness in the welcome, only sadness. Famekeeper 19:33, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Image-change
hi. could you please change the wikimedia-logo in Template:Get involved to image:wikimedia-logo.png? explanation is here. thank you! Schaengel89 18:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Took care of it, thanks. -- User:NGerda 19:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the list at User:CGorman/Categories its really helpful
Thank you for the list at User:CGorman/Categories. It is very helpful. Do you mind if I edit it to include some of the lesser popular categories not listed, like Google for example. Bawolff 02:18, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Categories
I hope you don't mind me linking your category page to SectionMenu. If you do, tell me and i'll remove it. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. → CGorman (Talk) 15:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Issue of nonprofit news needs addressing, please
Hello: I submitted an article just a while ago, and it was immediately deleted by Amgine. When I made contact by editing her user page, she replied that my article was a press release from my organization and did not represent a news item. I need help to understand why I, as a director of a nonprofit organization must somehow convince mainstream media to accept my press release and report it as news, and then have someone outside of Open Studios submit an article about our work? Our work is News! So, what to do? I need this issue addressed to my satisfaction, as well as others. Our nonprofit organization, no matter how big it gets, will never have a corporate marketing department that pays others to advertise our events and news. That's a total waste of money. Instead, we will utilize the internet to get the word out. You see, there are homeless people in this world, low-income families, villages in Third World countries that would like to learn about the work we do. It will give them hope, and, in most cases, it will be the kind of news that will provide them an opportunity to compete in a global market place. Here's the news article: Recording Studios Now Sit On Your Kitchen Table From Wikinews, the free news source you can write! Jump to: navigation, search

November 15, 2005

Up until just a few years ago, recording studios, whether for music or broadcasting or film making, required huge investments in equipment and facilities. Today, with the advent of the Digital Age, all one needs is a low-end PC, appropriate software, a microphone and digital camera. Open Studios has organized an approach to building and operating community based recording studios, that require no money out-of-pocket. This extremely low-cost approach makes it possible for low-income neighborhoods and villages to compete with international corporations by allowing users to create CDs, DVDs, tv and radio shows, public service announcements, even full-featured films.

Tom Poe, who is responsible for the day-to-day operations of Open Studios, says, "We use low-end PCs and Free or Open Source Software (FOSS) from Stanford University's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, for a couple of reasons. First, it's free. There are no license fees. Second, the software will always be state-of-the-art, and allows users to progress from beginner to expert, without having to move away from the applications they learned." This approach has taken advantage of the Open Source movement, in that the users that become experts in the applications they use, tend to become contributors to improving those applications.

So often, even today, "we expect entertainment centers to be providing entertainment for us to watch or listen to, when, in reality, they can be used to create entertainment.", Poe said. He cited examples of people who like to take movies while they travel to new places. Those movies can now be edited on a computer, and graphics can be added, such as a title, credits, insertion of photos, text, all combining to create a tv show or film. A child can sit in front of one of these computers, and play a tune on her Kazoo. She then can bring up Rosegarden4, click and hear her tune played back to her. She can click and bring up her music displayed as a score sheet, edit the notes and change her tune. She can click, select an instrument, and her tune sounds like a piano, or trumpet. She can add tracks, and soon, an entire orchestra is playing her tune. "The best part, is the computer being able to let anyone participate, and not have to be restricted to an expensive recording studio facility. Just use your kitchen table.", said Poe.

It's nice to know that the day is coming, when every community will have such computers available for the residents. Culture is a community proposition, and certainly, with recording studios, our world community will benefit. Open Studios invites everyone to stop by and learn more about how your community can participate. [edit]

Sources

* "Open Studios". w:, November 15, 2005

* "[ ]". w:, Mmmmm DD, YYYY

Retrieved from "http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Recording_Studios_Now_Sit_On_Your_Kitchen_Table"

Categories: November 15, 2005 | Published

Howdy!
Hello from New York...I left a comment on the main discussion page, since you're a seasoned user it would be great if you could take a look and get back to me. Erin go bragh (from one Irishman to another) PaulHanson 06:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Imitation gun pointed at Australia swimmers during training
CGorman, I've noticed that the article you started, Imitation gun pointed at Australia swimmers during training, has been tagged with a. I've noticed that this is a complete copy of the Swim-sites.com article, which is listed only as a source. Now, as a longtime member, I thought I'd ask you to sort it out (because I know you wouldn't submit a copyvio on purpose). Thanks. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The swim-sites.com article was written by CGorman; he has dual-published articles in both locations in the past. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought so, but didn't want to make myself look like an idiot :). --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Creative Commons License
Regarding your articles published on swim-sites.com, the Creative Commons Attribution license requires "For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work." In other words, your work on your other site is not eligible for inclusion here verbatim unless you first license your material as such. This is not an issue of you being the creator, it's an issue that your work is by default copyrighted unless you specify otherwise on its original publication. Now, if you published here first, and then attributed the work on your site to your work for Wikinews, I think you'd be okay.

I'm not targeting you because I don't like you; quite the contrary, I appreciate the welcome. However, if you ever became fed up with Wikinews (which doesn't seem implausible with a few long time members), WN would be caught with its pants down because, despite your good intentions, WN would be publishing copyrighted content under an invalid license. I've been working with Open Source software for a while, and this happens all the time. An author who creates source code under one license (in this case, the default copyright license of any published material), cannot contribute her source to projects that have a conflicting license.

In summary, it's not enough to say that you republish your work on Wikinews. You need to either explicitly say that your work is Public Domain, or you need to explicitly say that your work is licensed under a compatible license. ironiridis 21:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding swim-sites
Thank you for your co-operation in that. It's just for everyone's protection. ironiridis 20:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

do you live in Ireland ? what about the smoking ban into Pubs and public places in Ireland (Italy ?)
if yes, i have a little question about the smoking ban into Pubs and public places in Ireland (Italy ?).

Is the law really respected? Where people smoke (outside, ... ?) any impact on number of smoker ...

There's big ddiscutions in France about writing a law about banning smoking in ALL public places, i'ld want some first hand experience. (i'll try to contact italian people )

(i stopped smoking 1 year and a half ago. i am against any ban exept in restaurants ;) ) thanks !

Jacques Divol 09:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Help
I wrote a article, Car hits Sophie Delezio. It isn't appearing in the Australia portal under May 6. Why? Apartmento2 10:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Rfda
This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

New Policy has users up in smoke
Hello. I am not sure if you check this page anymore, but I thought you might be interested as to what is going on here at Wikinews: Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan. I am outraged as well as others...do you have an opinion? DragonFire1024 09:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Debatepedia.org launch press release - "the Wikipedia of debate"
Thought you might be interested in this as a Wikinews reporter.

For Immediate Release The International Debate Education Association Launches Debatepedia.org Debatepedia calls on citizens to take a stand as                                   editors on the “Wikipedia of debate”

Main Page: http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Welcome_to_Debatepedia%21

NEW YORK, NY (October 12, 2007) – The International Debate Education Association (IDEA) announced today its launch of Debatepedia.org, a wiki with the ambitious mission of becoming the world’s "Wikipedia of debate and reason". On Debatepedia, at www.idebate.org, people can help edit and co-create an encyclopedia of debates by adding pro and con arguments and compiling bodies of supporting evidence within a unique pro/con “logic tree” structure. Debatepedia is also a place for documenting the positions of leaders and organizations. The potential range of debates on Debatepedia is limitless and includes topics that are international, national, and local in scope. It also intends to offer different language versions. Its ambitious mission will have a major impact on the way citizens engage in pressing debates, draw personal conclusions, and even influence their representatives and leaders.

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UN IIC report faults former "Oil-for-Food" director

February 3, 2005

Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker delivered a preliminary report of the investigation into the United Nation's Oil-for-Food program with Iraq under Saddam Hussein, which is sharply critical of the procurement process used and former program director Benon Sevan.

Volker heads the Independent Inquiry Committee, an investigation requested by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in June, 2004.

Annan has already responded to the report, ordering disciplinary action for Sevan and other UN officials of the former program.

Volker expects the report will go some ways to responding to critics of the UN program. "I think it's important to find out the extent those attacks are justified," he is quoted as saying. "There are obviously problems in the institution and we have identified some of them. But the end of this should be a reformed and stronger U.N., because I believe - and I know the other committee members believe - that the U.N. has an important role to play but it cannot be effective if it is under suspicion all of the time."

Charges that UN officials misused 1.4 billion USD of administrative funds are unfair, Volker said. "We do not find evidence that this was a big slush fund," he said. "The money was carefully budgeted. They didn't spend all of the money they had budgeted. They gave some of it back to Iraq."

The Independent Investigation Committee report faulted the contract procurement process which selected Banque Nationale de Paris, Saybolt Eastern Hemisphere BV, and Lloyd's Register Inspection Limite, saying it did not conform to financial and competitive bidding standards. The choices were "clearly affected by political considerations" according to Volker.

Sevan is particularly faulted for personal financial transactions, including $160,000 over 1999-2003 which his lawyer has stated came from an aunt who has since died.


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Cambodian opposition leader stripped of immunity, flees country

February 3, 2005 Sam Rainsy, leader of the opposition party in the Cambodian National Assembly, and two other members of his party, Chea Poch and Cheam Channy, have been stripped of parliamentary immunity. Rainsy has left the country, while Channy has been arrested.

Assembly members are immune to prosecution or arrest for expressing their opinions as part of their parliamentary duties. Armed forces surrounded the Assembly building in Phnom Penh during the vote Thursday, which requires a two-thirds super majority.

Speaking on behalf of the United States, State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli called on Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen's government to "allow all citizens to peacefully express their political views without fear of retribution or intimidation."


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February 4, 2005

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In several German cities students demonstrate against study fees

February 3, 2005 In Germany 30,000 students demonstrate in 5 big cities against study fees. People think, that paying for information is not socially compatible and gives only privileged people the chance to get in depth information. Germans demand a broad and free education for every citizen of the world. In the next weeks, students will fight for justice and show solidarity with the Countries of the Federal Republic, which want to already demand study fees in the next term.

At this time, the first education in Germany is free, but the Federation decided days ago, that the states of the Federal Republic can create their own financing concepts, because CDU governed states complained against the Federation.

Several German states partly plan to plug budget gaps with the money from the young people willing to give their power for a broadly educated Germany.


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Australian immigration detains Aussie flight attendant for 10mths, and maltreats her

Australian immigration authorities have held a mentally ill Australian woman, Cornelia Rau (also known as Anna), against her will for over 10 months, at least two of them spent in high security, where she was reportedly isolated for 18 to 20 hours a day, subjected to 24-hour simulated daylight and deprived adequate legal or medical aid.

Volunteer advocates' requests for ministerial intervention, prompted by her clear distress and aberrant behaviour, went unanswered for seven weeks, while Ms Rau was held at South Australian Baxter Immigration Detention Center.

http://www.safecom.org.au/images/baxter-gate.jpg Baxter high security detention facility in South Australia (Photo: Project Safecom)

Isolation and sleep deprivation
Several days ago, refugee advocate Pamela Curr had visited and spoken with the woman, then unidentified and known only as Anna, and said "She exhibits psychotic symptoms, screaming and talking to herself at times, and screams in terror often for long periods especially when locked in the cell.

"Such is her terror of being put back into this cell that it takes six guards in full riot gear to manhandle her back into the room and close the heavy door."

"We have reports from witnesses that the guards are enjoying this aspect of Anna's behaviour," said refugee advocacy group ChilOut.org at around the same time.

One message from a fellow detainee posted on the refugee advocate website safecom.org on January 24, said Ms Rau appeared to be "very, very sick".

"She takes her clothes off and wanders around in this all-male compound," the account read. "She screams obscenities, throws food at other detainees and smashes things."

According to Ms Curr, Ms Rau was being held in isolation in Baxter's dedicated 'Red One' isolation block for 18 to 20 hours a day, and in daylight conditions for 24 hours a day, a practice which has in the past been criticised because of use of isolation and sleep deprivation in Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs (DIMIA) facilities to coerce cooperation from inmates.

The Migration Act prevents anyone from acting on behalf of a detainee unless the detainee requests this in writing, and so chances of any improvement in Ms Rau's condition or welfare were slim. The Act makes no provision for cases such as this, where the detainee is no longer competent to make such a request. Mental ill health is a reported by-product of the DIMIA system of indefinite detention.

Refugee concern prompted search for identity
Fellow detainees became concerned for Ms Rau's welfare when immigration authorities failed to remedy her mental ill health, and were unable to identify her. Refugee advocates in contact with detainees then led a campaign to identify the woman, resulting in her family recognising her description.

Thirty-nine year old Qantas flight attendant Cornelia Rau had in fact been listed as a missing person with New South Wales (NSW) police since August of last year, after disappearing in March. A NSW police effort to find her in November failed to identify that she was being held by Australia's Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs, meanwhile DIMIA was stumped as to the identity of their German-speaking prisoner.

The Immigration Department said it had gone to great lengths to identify of Ms Rau, contacting the police missing persons registry in Queensland, and several foreign governments, but not NSW police missing persons. "All the information provided by the woman led the department to believe she was an unlawful non-citizen. At no time did she state she was a permanent (Australian) citizen."

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Aborigines at Coen in Far North Queensland had found Cornelia in a disturbed state on March 31 last year, and become concerned, taking her to police for her own safety. The Queensland Police failed to identify her and assumed she was an illegal immigrant since she spoke German. Instead of hospitalising Ms Rau, they handed her over to immigration officials, on April 5.

According to Ms Curr, when she spoke to Ms Rau at Baxter last month, "Her English was fine. She told me then she really wasn't in touch with reality, but there was a moment of clarity when she just wanted to get out of Baxter. I spoke to a detainee two days ago and he said her English was so good he thought she was an Aussie girl."

Ms Rau had arrived in Australia at the age of 18 months from Germany. Cornelia's sister Chris says, "The two groups who were kind to Cornelia in all this time were the two most downtrodden groups in society -- the Aboriginal people in Cairns and the refugees in Baxter. There's an irony in that".

Mental health in indefinite, high security detention
The Australian Federal Government Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC)'s Immigration Detention Centre Guidelines state that, "Immigration detainees who are found to be severely mentally ill should be transferred to an appropriate facility as soon as possible."

The Immigration Department said she had been under mental supervision at all times. "A number of medical assessments were conducted by healthcare professionals, including doctors, psychiatrists and psychologists," a departmental spokesperson said.

Findings by a number of independent inquiries have shown that long term, indefinite detention, which is the norm within the Australian immigration system, has the unfortunate side effect of inducing mental health problems in individuals who were otherwise healthy on entering the system, and refugee advocates have pointed to this issue previously in cases involving non-citizens.

Countless human rights violations have been documented within DIMIA's system by the Federal Government's own policing body, HREOC, which has complained repeatedly for years that its recommendations are not being met. Principally, that the system of mandatory detention itself is an infringement of human rights and should be abolished, and that children (of whom there are currently 87 in detention ) should not be held in custody.

HREOC criticises the general lack of adequate mental health services, the use of isolation detention for behaviour management, detainees' restricted access to legal assistance and lack of information about the application process, their limited access to general information and contact with the outside world, including relatives, and the effects of such long term detention on the detainees, specifically on their mental health.

Past publicised cases have shown detainees denied any legal avenues they do not explicitly ask for using correct legal/bureaucratic terminology ; failure to provide adequate medical assistance; and habitual isolation of troublesome detainees instead of meeting of their grievances.

HREOC has the ability to make recommendations only, and it is up to the Government to enforce, or not enforce them.

"It's pretty dangerous if you have Alzheimer's disease or you speak a second language right now," according to Labor immigration spokesperson, Laurie Ferguson. Mr Ferguson believed Queensland Police and the Federal Government had questions to answer, and that there should be an Inquiry.

Cost
As well as the personal cost to Cornelia Rau and her family and friends, each day a person spends in immigration detention costs the Department between $111 to $725. According to DIMIA, "Government policy is that, where practical, immigration detainees should be billed for the cost of their stay in detention." It is not known whether the Department intends to bill Ms Rau.


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Chandra telescope finds missing baryonic matter

February 4, 2005

Scientists studying data from the Chandra X-ray telescope have found strong evidence for the missing half of ordinary matter in the universe. Two immense intergalactic clouds confirm the existence of a cosmic web of hot gas, predicted by computer simulations, containing baryons, the material making up visible objects in the Universe. "An inventory of all the baryons in stars and gas inside and outside of galaxies accounts for just over half the baryons that existed shortly after the Big Bang," Fabrizio Nicastro of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. "Now we have found the likely hiding place of the missing baryons." Nicastro is lead author of a paper in the February 3, 2005 issue of Nature describing the recent research.

Various measurements give a good estimate of the mass-density of baryons - the neutrons and protons that make up the nuclei of atoms and ions - in the Universe 10 billion years ago. However, sometime during the last 10 billion years a large fraction of the baryons, commonly referred to as "ordinary matter" to distinguish them from dark matter and dark energy, have gone missing.

Using the computer predictions, Nicastro and colleagues searched specifically for the diffuse system of gas clouds galaxies and galaxy clusters form within. Evidence of the clouds had been previously detected around our own galaxy and in the Local Group, but the temperature range (a few hundred thousand to a million degrees Celsius) and low density have prevented detection outside the immediate neighborhood of galaxies and the reliable estimation of baryon density for the entire universe.

The clouds were detected using Chandra observations when the galaxy Mkn 421 brightened in X-ray emissions. The X-ray spectral data showed two hot gas clouds, 150 million and 370 million light years distant, absorbing the X-rays from Mkn 421. The data shows the presence of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and neon present in the clouds. Combined with other data the research team determined the thickness and mass of the clouds.

Assuming that the size and distribution of the clouds are representative, Nicastro and colleagues made the first reliable estimate of average density of baryons in such clouds throughout the Universe, finding it consistent with the mass density of the missing baryons.

Mkn 421 was observed three times with Chandra's Low-Energy Transmission Grating (LETG), twice in conjunction with the High Resolution Camera (May 2000 and July 2003) and once with the Advanced CCD Imaging Spectrometer (October 2002). The distance to Mkn 421 is 400 million light years.


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Iraq Election: Partial tally report shows support for Shiite candidates

February 4, 2005 Iraq – With more than two-thirds of the 3.3 million votes counted in the Iraqi legislative election, the United Iraqi Alliance has a considerable lead over interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's Iraqi List which trails with approximately 17% of the current tally.

The election commission (IECI) did not have firm figures for how many people voted, but estimates approximately 8 million Iraqis participated in the historic poll. The results so far do not include the northern provinces which are largely Sunni and Kurdish strongholds.

The most recent returns were from the provinces of Babylon, Basra, Karbala, Maysan, Muthanna, Najaf, Qadissiyah, Zi Qar and Wassit, and from Baghdad.

Jalal Talabani, leader of the northern Kurdish political bloc, has called to be nominated as the new Prime Minister or President, a proposal which may indicate the suspected deal between the Shia and the Kurds may in fact be in place - a situation sure to inflame the former ruling minority Sunnis.

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BBC unveils plans for new Britain only iMP player

February 4, 2005

The BBC today unveiled it's plans for a new iMP player with which people in the UK will be able to download any BBC tv or radio programme for a week after it has been broadcast in the UK. These downloads will have a limited life, becoming inactive a week after the show has been shown live in the UK. The BBC are justifying their proposed decision to restrict the use of the new player to those using a UK Internet service provider on the basis that it is only UK citizens who pay the television licence. In the UK it is illegal to use a television to receive UK broadcasts without a television licence, but no such restrictions are in place for using either a radio or a computer. It is the money from the licence fee that funds the BBC.

At the moment it is possible to listen to live BBC radio, and to some old programmes for a week, as well as some news output, including Newsnight, by Streaming media through the internet, and this service is available in every part of the world. At the moment there are few sites whose availability is restricted depending on where one is geographically located. Some countries such as Iran and China restrict what the users in it's country can view on the internet, but till now almost all of the material that has been released has been made available all over the world.

The iMP is still not ready, and while the BBC are hoping to release it this year they are refusing to make any promises. Clearly having the technology in place to ensure that the downloads deactivate at a given moment, and that people outside the UK cannot access these downloads, either directly through the internet, or indirectly through file sharing, is going to take a little while yet.

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The file sharing link is only broken because it points to Wikipedia.File_sharing instead of Wikipedia:File_sharing. --Y2kBugxp90 20:34, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The title of this article would be much improved if it were BBC unveils plans for Britain-only iMP player.

As it is at the moment, one tends to read that BBC is unveiling plans for a new BRITAIN... Duncan.France 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

"In the UK it is illegal to have a television switched on in a household without already having a television licence"

Nope, it's illegal to use a TV (or any other broadcast receiving device - via UHF, VHF, Satelite, - e.g. VCR, Computer, sky box) to *receive a UK originated televisual broadcast signal(. You can have a TV, that's *capable* of receiving these broadcasts, and that's OK as long as you don't *USE* it to do so.

(You could watch a DVD for example)


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ConocoPhillips announces $1bn share repurchase

February 4, 2005 Houston - The major oil company, ConocoPhillips, today announced that it is to buy back up to $1bn worth of common stock over the next 2 years. The major aim of the repurchase is to ensure existing shareholders do not have their stakes in the company diluted over the coming years as a result the company's stock compensation program. The purchase of stock will be done over the next two years at manager's discretion at prevailing prices as permitted by securities laws and other legal requirements.

The company also announced a quarterly dividend of 50 cents per share which is to be payable on March 1, 2005, to stockholders of record at the close of business Feb. 15, 2005.


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Grey Wolves are Still Protected by the Endangered Species Act

February 4, 2005 This week, a court case has decided to maintain the grey wolf's endangered species protection status.

Defenders of Wildlife filed a suit after March 18, 2003, when the Fish and Wildlife Service decided to downlist the wolf from "endangered" status to "threatened" status. Such a move would have dramatically weakened the legal protection of the animal, and jeopardised it's recovery, according to wildlife campaigners.

Rodger Schlickeisen, Defenders of Wildlife's President, commented:
 * “We all want to see the wolf recover to the point where it no longer needs federal protection. But, that recovery must be based on a proper review of the best science available. The Bush Administration failed to do this and proposed prematurely removing protections for the wolf and today the Court called them on it.”

The Government's plans to reclassify the grey wolf were criticized as 'not based on science or the law' by the US District Court ruling. The Court ruled today that it was unlawful for the Administration to weaken legal protections for the grey wolf in large areas of its historic range based on recovery success in a just a few core areas like the Northern Rockies and Great Lakes. This ruling calls into question other Bush Administration wolf proposals, one of which is their attempt to remove protections entirely for the wolves in the Northeastern United States.

Schlickeisen also stated:
 * "Today's decision shows that the Bush Administration is not a true partner when it comes to species conservation, that they only want to remove species protections as quickly as possible, regardless of what the science shows. It is only when all stakeholders, federal and local, work together, using the best available science, that true progress on species conservation can be made."


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Brazil receives Cuban Foreign Minister

The Cuban Minister of Foreign Relations Felipe Peréz Roque visited Brazil on February 2-3. He met Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and the Brazilian Minister of Foreign Relations Celso Amorim.

According to the Brazilian Ministry of External Relations website, the objective of the visit was to intensify the dialogue and to fortify the cooperation between Brazil and Cuba, giving attention to the development of high level agreements between the governments.

On February 2, the Cuban minister was received by the Brazilian Senate President José Sarney, the President of the Chamber of Deputies João Paulo Cunha and by the Chief of Staff José Dirceu.

On February 3, Roque met Lula da Silva and Amorim. During the meeting, he mentioned that he was carrying a personal message from the Cuban President Fidel Castro to Lula da Silva. "We express to Lula Cuba's affection for the project of integration of Latin America," he added.

Roque also said that Cuba supports the candidacy of Brazil for the UN Security Council: "We hold the same position as Brazil in favor of a multipolar world, a world in which the UN's role and authority are strengthened, concurrently with a profound reform and democratization of the United Nations."

Roque and Amorim discussed the situation in Haiti. He reiterated that Cuba keeps a contrary position to the form as Haitian president Jean Bertrand Aristide left power.

During the visit, the Cuban Minister of Foreign Relations, Felipe Peréz Roque, also met parents of Brazilian students studying in Havana, delegates from the Landless Workers Movement (MST), delegates from labour unions and delegates from student organizations which expressed solidarity to the cause of the Cuban Revolution.

Brazil-Cuba relationship
Brazilian diplomatic relations with Cuba were suspended in 1964, and reestablished in 1986. Bilateral relations between Brazil and Cuba have strengthened since then, particularly in the past few years. The Brazilian government advocates the end of the US embargo against Cuba. The Brazilian government says the unilateral application of economic and commercial sanctions for political purposes violates the principles of international law.

Cuba purchased 480 buses from Brazil for collective transportation in Havana and between provinces in 2000. The Brazilian National Bank for Economic and Social Development (BNDES) participates in the funding of an project aimed at the modernization of the Cuban sugar industry.

The President of Cuba, Fidel Castro, has visited Brazil several times, most recently in September 1998, June 1999, September 2001, and January 2003.

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