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Comments:Lawsuit: Hernandez vs IGE

The addresses listed in this article are from the brief. The names of those related with the suit are also taken from the brief (the defendants and plaintiff are listed rather early, the name/address of the attorney for the plaintiff is the last thing listed). Banaticus 02:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Support strong to bring back 1980 Soviet mascot for the 2014 Olympics

Bringing back Soviet symbols ahe? Before you know it, they will bring back the hammer and sickle, with how Putin runs things... Contralya 03:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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Please have Misha the bear as the mascot for the 2014 Olympics. He's wonderful. Thanks. —65.125.46.101 (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


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Lewis Hamilton wins 2007 Japanese Grand Prix

September 30, 2007

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton starting from pole wins the FIA Formula-1 2007 Japanese Grand Prix at the Fuji Speedway, Oyama, Japan. It was the first race on this circuit since 1977, when James Hunt won the race for McLaren-Ford.

A rainy and foggy weekend at Fuji appeared to be very hard for all drivers as the race ran longer then expected and the drivers have to concentrate more due to severe weather conditions. The race started behind the safety car which stayed on a track for an unusually long time, about 40 minutes.

Both Ferrari drivers, who managed to get the second row on the starting grid in the Saturday qualifying session were out of the game on the first laps due to their tyre selection mistake - drivers were forced to change to extreme wet tyres after a few driving errors. When the pace car finally turned off the lights giving the drivers a clear road Hamilton quickly got away from his teammate, Fernando Alonso, who had more fuel on board and thus had a heavier car. Alonso would be eliminated after 41 laps in a driving accident.

Heikki Kovalainen driving for Renault finally leads to a first podium finish for the team in this season, the Finn managed to get second place. On the final laps of the race he masterly defended his position from Kimi Räikkönen, who returned to the battle for podium after the Ferrari start failure.

Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber both nearly finished on the podium, but a collision between their Toro Rosso and Red Bull sponsored vehicles took them out of the race.

Renault-engined cars did well in the race with David Coulthard and Giancarlo Fisichella finishing in 4th and 5th places.

Robert Kubica got a drive through the pit-lane penalty after some dangerous driving and a collision with Hamilton, causing the Polish driver to be rolled back to 7th place. Felipe Massa took 6th place for Ferrari in his hard battle with Kubica in the sprint to the finish line.

Vitantonio Liuzzi rounded out the top eight for Toro Rosso.

Adrian Sutil did his best for Spyker, finishing ahead of both Hondas. It was confirmed that Spyker will change owners next season becoming the first Indian national Formula One team in history.

In the Drivers' Championship Hamilton, with 107 points, has increased his lead over teammate Alonso to 12 points. Kimi narrowed the gap to the McLaren drivers, now only five points behind Alonso.


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Talk:Interview with gay marriage movement founder Evan Wolfson

FAC

This is damn good work! --Brian McNeil / talk 08:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great work. One question, is he founder of the movement world wide or just in the US? Bawolff ☺☻ 21:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about worldwide, but in the U.S. definitely. I know he goes abroad, and he was one of Time's most influential in the world. He was writing about since 1983, and the first worldwide law was 1989 in Denmark. --David Shankbone 21:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It's great that he supports transgendered marriage
However, he's a little insensitive to transgender attitudes. A heterosexual transgender couple has one or two transgendered individuals who identify as opposing sexes.

The Immigration Department of the United States, and various other Federal Organizations (like say, the IRS) have the policy that they recognize a transgendered marriage only so long as the state that they are in recognize that marriage as heterosexual.

In fact, the vast majority of states do recognize heterosexual transgendered couples, and only four of them refuse heterosexual transgendered people from being married, citing that the birth certificate is an immutable fact determined at birth. Now, the interesting thing is the opposite gender. An MTF and a woman can technically by precident be married in those four states, while they would be denied marriage in the other states as a homosexual couple.

His desire to lump transsexuals into the same category as "same-sex couples", shows a diminished appreciation or acceptance of transsexual affairs, and in fact runs contrary to the two states, which have affirmed a heterosexual transgendered couple as heterosexual, and the other 44 states that simply have not had a legal challenge to those heterosexual marriages, as such they are by default recognized as heterosexual marriages.

The benefits of same-sex marriage upon transsexuals is that the issue of deciding if a person qualifies as a man or woman is removed, and transsexuals and other transgendered individuals would not have to deal with that definition problem. However, by far the vast majority of states (46 states) already allow heterosexual transgendered relationships, and the other four states already allow homosexual transgendered relationships. The problem isn't getting recognition for transsexuals to be married, but rather to allow no ambiguity as to if they could be married, and this will be an issue for each state individually, with again 46 states already allowing an MTF to marry a man. --131.107.0.74 20:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


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Death toll in One-Two-Go crash reaches 90

September 30, 2007 A Welsh woman has died in a Thai hospital from injuries sustained in the September 16 crash of One-Two-GO Airlines Flight 269 at Phuket International Airport, bringing the death toll to 90.

Bethan Jones, 22, from Porth, had been one of 42 original survivors in the crash, which her boyfriend, Alex Collins, 22, did not survive. They were three days into a round-the-world trip when the crash occurred.

Jones, whose family flew to Thailand in order to be with her, never regained consciousness after the crash, which left her in critical condition with burns across more than 50% of her body. Two days after the crash a military aircraft had flown her to a specialist unit at the Bangkok General Hospital for treatment.

Her family released a statement in which they thanked family, friends and "the community of Porth and Rhondda and all Bethan's friends and work colleagues for their kindness and sympathy".

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Talk:Survey: Denmark, Finland are world's least and Myanmar, Somalia are world's most corrupt countries

Ok... So the survey in question lists Finland, Sweden and New Zealand as joint first. So the title is misleading and biased towards Nordics. 125.237.131.26 10:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


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Hey Matt. Just a note that you don't need to create comments pages before users comment on them. A user can go to "Have an opinion on this story?" and click "Post It!" and post their comments, which creates the page. There shouldn't be a comments page if there are no comments.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 02:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I had been creating an empty comments page along with each of my articles because I thought the "This page is for commentary on the news..." text that appears after someone leaves a comment is a lot nicer than the "This is for rants about the article" message that shows up initially (I think "rants" has a negative connotation for most people). I don't suppose there is some way to change the default text? Matt Streeter 02:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
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It sounds good to me, and I'd be surprised if anyone else objects. I think the text in the two boxes should be the same, and like I said I prefer the "commentary" text. Thanks for your help. Matt Streeter 12:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I edited the template. I agree with you, it did need some editing and it sounded quite negative.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 16:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Matt Streeter 17:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm a bit of a negative person [[image:Smile.png]]. When I first created that template, the whole thing wasn't universally thought of as a good idea, so i didn't want to sound overly encouraging. Now that it is established, I think the nicer wording is much better. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Image:Bush speaking at NDU 10-23-2007.jpg
This image is public domain as it is a work of the US Federal Government. It should be uploaded to Commons and not here. --SVTCobra 01:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Matt Streeter 01:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. Thanks. I deleted the local copy. --SVTCobra 01:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow!
This is an awesome article, and on a first draft no less! Thanks for your contribution. It doesn't go unnoticed! irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e] 02:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Matt Streeter 02:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, certainly a nicely polished article, but I wouldn't go saying that the first draft was perfect. irid seems a bit giddy, and may be going senile. [[Image:Smile.svg]] --SVTCobra 03:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's why I called it a "first draft". :) Nothing is ever perfect on the first draft. Not even this comment. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  03:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought your (SVTCobra's) changes improved the article. One question, though: why did you delete the inline link to Bush's speech?  I put the link there because I thought it made it more likely that people would read the original speech.  Do you not like inline links as a general rule?  If so, why not? Matt Streeter 13:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It may be a bit difficult to gleen the instructions from this section of the Style Guide, but all links to outside sources (I think this goes for Wikipedia, too) should be listed at the bottom as either "Sources", "References" or "External links". The reason is that we cannot control the content of outside links and thus they shouldn't be part of the text, but rather listed below with a description so that the reader knows what they are dealing with. Hope this helps. Cheers and happy editing. --SVTCobra 01:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate article
FEMA apologizes for staged news briefing is a duplicate of FEMA employees pose as fake reporters during press conference. Please merge the newer to the older, meaning add any information not present in the old article, to the old one. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. Not sure how I overlooked the old article. Matt Streeter 17:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've merged the new article into the old one. Can you delete the new article? Matt Streeter 17:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Google image
We already have Image:Google logo png.png. The one you uploaded should be deleted as it's a duplicate.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 03:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I deleted it. I also added the useful information to Image:Google logo png.png.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 03:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Matt Streeter 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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This image lacks a fair-use rationale. Also, it may further violate the copyright of the ESA. Please see the discussion at Image talk:Venus Express.jpg. --SVTCobra 18:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Iran's parliament labels CIA a terrorist organization

September 30, 2007 On Saturday,, Iran's parliament, approved a non-binding resolution designating the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the U.S. Army as "terrorist organizations", in what is seen as a largely symbolic move. The designation was backed on Sunday by Iran's Foreign Ministry. Earlier in the week, the had passed a resolution giving a similar designation to Iran's.

"The aggressor U.S. Army and the Central Intelligence Agency are terrorists and also nurture terror," said Iranian lawmakers. 215 members of the 290 members signed the declaration.

"Terrorist" acts cited by Iran's parliament included the U.S. Army's use of against Japan in World War II, its use of  munitions in the, Afghanistan, Iraq and its use of torture against prisoners in  in  , Cuba and  in Iraq. Iran's parliament also cited the CIA's role in training the during the 's.

If ratified, the resolution would become law, but would likely have little political effect given that the U.S. and Iran do not have diplomatic relations.

Related news

 * Iranian President Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia University, Wikinews September 25, 2007
 * Protests mark Ahmadinejad's visit to Columbia University, Wikinews September 25, 2007


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12 soldiers killed in raid on peacekeeping base in Darfur

September 30, 2007

A force of 1,000 rebels believed to be from the Sudan Liberation Army attacked one of the African Union's peacekeeping bases in the Darfur region of Sudan, said AU officials Sunday. They added that more than 50 AU pacificators and military personnel are MIA since the attack on the base, although the figure could not be confirmed as the fighting had not stopped.

In what was called "...the heaviest loss of life and biggest attack on the African Mission," by AU spokesperson Noureddine Mezni, 30 vehicles raided the AU base in the town of Haskanita just after the sunset meal which ended the daytime fasting of Ramadan. The base was completely destroyed.

Insurgents in Darfur have become increasingly disillusioned with the AU peacekeepers, and are convinced that they too often side with the Sudanese government. Several attacks on AU forces have been blamed on these insurgents.

The SLA did not comment on the latest raid of the AU base. However, a leader in the allied Justice and Equality Movement said that they were engaged in combat against government-aligned Janjaweed forces days before. Some sources have said that was orchestrated by JEM rebels in an attempt to gain supplies, recognition, and input in the peace talks scheduled for October 27 in Libya.

The Sudanese government did not comment on the attacks, although AU officials said that they witnessed multiple Sudanese helicopters and fighter jets leaving for Haskanita from the Sudanese base in southern Darfur.

The attack marks the first time an AU base has been overwhelmed since deployment in June, 2004. The peacekeeping force has failed to slow the fighting in the region, and do not have the ability to defend themselves from attack. They will soon be merged with the 26,000 strong United Nations force, whose first units will arrive in October.


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National Football League: Quarterback Brett Favre breaks record for touchdowns

September 30, 2007 Quarterback Brett Favre of the Green Bay Packers  broke Dan Marino's record for career touchdown passes on Sunday, throwing number 421 to receiver Greg Jennings with 4:56 left in the first quarter. The recordbreaking pass was a 16-yard slant route, and Favre had to throw a bullet to complete it. Though the game was being played at the Metrodome, even the Minnesota Vikings fans stood and applauded as Favre celebrated with his teammates.

After the announcement of the record was made, a taped message from Marino played on the Jumbotron.

"Hey Brett, it's Dan Marino. I'd like to take a minute to congratulate you on breaking one of the great records in sports. I loved holding the touchdown record for the past 13 years, but if someone was going to break it, I'm glad it was someone like you, who has always competed at the highest level and always played only to win," said Marino. "Over the past 17 years, you've been a credit to the Packers, and to the National Football League and to the sport that we all love so much. Brett, congratulations on touchdown 421!"

This historic event came just two weeks after Favre broke John Elway's record for career wins by a quarterback, defeating the New York Giants for win number 149. The Green Bay icon also holds the records for career completions and consecutive games started by a quarterback, which continued on Sunday at 241. Later in the second quarter of today's game, Favre threw the 8,359th pass of his career, eclipsing another of Marino's records.

When asked about the record after the game, a subdued Favre said,"It's just a number. Am I proud? Absolutely. I'm more proud of the fact that we won this game...I'm pleased it's over, and I'm honored. To play this long, I think, is a special thing and to achieve this is, uh, very special,". He added that, in his mind, Dan Marino is still the best quarterback of all time.

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Commissioner Roger Goodell "Brett Favre is one of the greatest players in NFL history. He's so much fun to watch not only because of his talent but also because of his competitive spirit. He is the only player to win three MVP awards and his consecutive games streak at quarterback is a tribute to his toughness and passion for the game. Brett has been a leader on the field and in the community and his long list of accomplishments is truly remarkable. We have been fortunate to be able to watch him play this long and we all look forward to seeing him set many more records."

Bart Starr "It's a remarkable accomplishment and richly deserved. Brett is a fabulous competitor and personifies leadership by example. I've never seen a more enthusiastic player and leader."

Mike Holmgren "As proud and amazed as I am of what Brett is and has accomplished on the playing field, the thing that impresses me the most is what kind of a man and leader he has become off the field. I have taken great joy in watching him develop as a person and father over his career."

Joe Montana "I honestly thought Danny's records might never be broken. What Brett has done is a tremendous accomplishment. Congratulations you old fart!!!"

Terry Bradshaw "Brett Favre is the best I have ever seen. And I've never said that about anybody. He's simply the best. He's got the strongest arm, athleticism, field presence, leadership, poise and tenaciousness. He plays hurt, he's fun, he's infectious. He has everything I want to see, including the game-time decisions, the strengths, and all the intangibles."

Steve Young "If you haven't played quarterback in the NFL you truly don't understand just how difficult it is, let alone to be great at it. Throwing one touchdown is hard but to do what Brett has done, come on. You can't give that record enough respect. Couple that with the consecutive games streak and what he has accomplished is beyond imagination. To have one of those records is astronomical and he's got them all. It was an honor to compete against him and an honor to be his friend."


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2007 FIFA Women's World Cup: Germany defeats Brazil to retain championship

September 30, 2007

Germany beat Brazil to win their 2nd straight Women's World Cup.

Brazil controlled the majority of the possession throughout the game managing six shots on goal including a missed penalty from Marta. When asked about the saved penalty, After the penalty save, I felt it was meant to be, Germany coach Silvia Neid said.

For Germany, this culminated a tournament where they made history by became the 1st team to successfully defend their championship and didn't give up a single goal over the entire 540 minutes of play during the tournament. The last Goal that Germany gave up was in the 2003 FIFA Women's World Cup Final when Sweden's Hanna Ljungberg scored in the 41st minute.

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Silvia Neid, Germany coach: "It was an evenly-balanced match in terms of chances, Brazil might even have had more, but we worked as a team, came out strongly in the second half and scored at the right time. Once Nadine Angerer saved the penalty, I was always confident we wouldn't concede. We worked together well, we stood tight in defence, we were close to our opponents and there was a determination there not to concede any goals. Before the tournament, we asked all the players to work." Jorge Barcellos, Brazil coach: It was a very tough game for us and one in which we missed lot of very good chances. The Germans only had a few chances but they took theirs well. This was especially important in the second half when we were one down and Marta missed such a critical penalty. But it's clear my players tried their best and I can only say I'm very sad with the result. The players are eager to win and that will help them play better in future. Nadine Angerer, Germany goalkeeper: I watched Brazil's game against Australia and although that time Marta went for the right corner with her penalty, I had a feeling that this time she would go for the left. So I decided to wait as long as possible - and it was the right decision. Cristiane, Brazil forward: Today we didn't play very well, we couldn't take our chances and Germany did, so that was the difference. It was a sad day but this team has done a very good job, we have 21 very talented players and I think we have given a very good example to the girls in Brazil.


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Huh
Why would the use of depleted uranium munitions be considered a terrorist act?
 * Because the retards don't know what the word 'depleted' means. Contralya 19:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You should clearly take a look at the definition yourself. Dave420 15:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, depleted doesn't necessarily mean safe. This is quite funny though.  I'm waiting for the "George Bush is the hand of Satan on the earth" bill. Spacehusky 23:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The use of DU is only hurting the US's position in the world, and I think it should be stopped. However, this resolution is sort of like a horse saying a male porn star has large private parts. 68.239.208.59 02:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. That is a great comparison. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And completely inaccurate. Dave420 13:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

 * DU is made of uranium, it is inherently radioactive (yes uranium 238 is radioactive) and is also toxic. An alternative is the use of Tungsten, but Uranium has the advantage of becoming incendiary upon impact of the projectile which increase the likehood of explosion and casualty inside tank. - 65.92.92.209 04:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn, I was just about to say that. For further info, check out depleted uranium on wikipedia. Wrc wolfbrother 05:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it is, as noted above, inherently radioactive. When it is shot at something (say, a tank), it partly vapourises, creating a radioactive gas that is very dangerous when inhaled.  This radioactivity can persist in an area for decades, and can kill long after the war is over.  Dave420 11:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Reminds me of led munitions. But I doubt there would be any deaths caused by it unless some hundred rounds were fired in close proximity. Contralya 16:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Jesus once said...
Something about removing the log in your own eye... Mkvsme 05:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The CIA has toppled more governments around the world than Iran has. The US has invaded more countries around the world than Iran has.  The US has used more nuclear weapons on other countries than Iran has.  Just FYI.  It's not as if the CIA is actually any "better" than the bad guys they go after, in fact.  From Chile to Guatemala, Iran to Indonesia - if you want to find an enemy of democracy, the CIA is a great place to start. Dave420 11:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, but that isn't terrorism. Terrorism is threatening to murder someone if demands aren't met, blowing up civilians to prove a point, and other genocidal acts, so the CIA, wile it does interfere with the way the world runs, isn't technically terrorist. Iran's government is technically terrorist because they equip and train terrorists. The forces that stormed Cuba in the 'bay of pigs' were not terrorists, they were cheap mercenaries. Contralya 16:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your definition of terrorism is correct. If you read what the CIA did in Guatemala, for example, (using bombers to scare the people into revolting) then yes - they did indeed perform acts of terrorism.  Their terroristic activities are part of their greater plans of action. Dave420 13:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What killing leaders isn't terrorism?Che Guevara! Attempted assassinations?Fidel Castro, (the guy they tried to get Saddam to kill)!giving gorilla groups guns inst terrorism? Osama bin laden, the iraq-iran war, hell this list would be so long its best if you look into south American history (particularly Chile) yourself!

Iran Accusing America of Terrorism
It's About Time Somebody Did![[Iran's parliament labels CIA a terrorist organization

In soviet Iran...
This is just like some cruel psuedo-russian revesal:

in soviet Iran, You are the terrorists, Mr Bush!!!

hhmmm...calling the kettle black...gee

 * or calling the hob that started it all black? 144.82.106.60 12:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Helping recruitment for terror
Iran doing this means that more anti-Americans will join actual terrorists. The people agreeing with Iran are examples, some of these anti-Americans would gladly take up arms against the American people. What you don't get, is that it is BUSH that is doing all of these bad things! He wanted to use small nukes in bunker busters, he is responsible for Guantanamo and the others, he is responsible for the stupid war in Iraq. Don't blame the American people for HIS stupidity. Remember, he has a very low approval rating. He makes all Americans look bad. Hate W, not U.S.... Contralya 16:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not just bush take a look at the history books, youve been fucking with the world and giving people weapons since at least the end of WW2. sure its not the American people but its not just bush!

Bush the terroist
It's about time, the U.S. government is a terroist organization. I am an American and a christian. Bush needs to be impeached now.

One may argue that Bush is a terrorist, but the government isn't. The military definitely isn't. He is nearing the end of his last term... If the government were terrorist, he would be 'president for life'.
 * The military used "shock and awe" to coerce the Baghdad people (and the army) into not fighting back, which is a terrorist act. Any time a military uses force, or even threatens it, against a civilian population in order to get them to do (or not do) something, they're terrorists.  It doesn't sit easy, but it's the definition of the word, and the forces that invaded Iraq certainly performed acts of terrorism. Dave420 13:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, it is spelled terrorist. You just said a Bushism, haha. Contralya 17:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

American? Christian? Government is evil? Keep up that line of thought, Timothy McVeigh. You might have something going for you. 71.60.134.55 20:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The founding fathers had the same train of thought. I guess they were whack-jobs, too. Dave420 13:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I knew this would happen
I knew this would happen. Sahmeditor 18:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can tell by listening to that Mockme Imanutjob guy's lies. He just wants to feed his supporters and rally anti-Americans (including terrorists). Contralya 18:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Or you can read what he actually has to say, which is a great deal different to that which is reported in the media. No-one's right all of the time, and he regularly isn't right, but sometimes he hits the proverbial nail right on the head.  Considering the US overthrew the government in Iran and installed a dictator, you can imagine Iranian anger at the US is not exactly without merit.  I'm sure if the US had its government overthrown by Iran, and Iran installed a dictator, most Americans wouldn't be too pleased with Iran. Dave420 13:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Not just bush
I understand that bush is the current cause of tension, but you cant blame the world hating America on him. America (or at least the American government) have been screwing people over and funding terrorists for a long time, particularly in the oil rich middle east and south America! Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan & Chile are all prime examples of where the US funded 1 side then the other ( and were not talking charity balls btw )! I can't remember all the details for the history of CIA intervention but you are on wikipidea so here are a few links

Chile -Nixon

Afghanistan - Carter

Afghanistan 2 - Bush (jr)

Iran-1953

Iran/Iraq

Iraq

- not completely relevant but 638 failed attempts its not like the CIA are very good! (although interestingly and even more off topic a catholic isn't aloud to believe in communism!)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/638_Ways_to_Kill_Castro "It is notable that whereas accused and even acknowledged terrorists who have made common cause with the CIA in the past live happily in the United States, individuals with often sketchy connections with latter-day terrorism have ended up incarcerated without trial at Guantanamo Bay." ]

hmm i just found this page which is the lists alot more CIA action (mainly pre-bush) here


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Three strong earthquakes strike near New Zealand

September 30, 2007

Three large earthquakes hit Sunday near New Zealand and Guam in remote parts of the South Pacific Ocean, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS).

The first quake which happened at 2:08 (UTC) was a magnitude 6.8 and located 345 kilometers (215 miles) south, southeast of. The second occurred at 5:23 and was a magnitude 7.3 and located 200 km (125 miles) northwest of Auckland Island, New Zealand. The third occurred at 9:47 (UTC), also a magnitude 6.8, was located 235 km (145 miles) west, northwest of Auckland Island, New Zealand. All three of the quake's epicenters were less than ten miles deep.

According to the (NOAA)  in Honolulu, Hawaii, none of the quakes caused a tsunami, though local advisories were issued.

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2007 Rugby World Cup: Argentina and France qualify for quarter finals

October 1, 2007 In the 2007 Rugby World Cup, Argentina and France qualified for the knockout stage of the competition from Pool D at the expense of Ireland and Georgia. Elsewhere, South Africa, who have already secured a place in the quarter finals, defeated the United States in Pool A.

France eased to a 64-7 win over Georgia to finish second in Pool D. Clément Poitrenaud, Yannick Nyanga and Lionel Beauxis each scored tries as France led 30-0 at half time. After the interval Sébastien Bruno, Lionel Nallet and Rémy Martin scored tries while Christophe Dominici added two. Zviad Maisuradze scored a try to give Georgia their only points of the match. Julien Bonnaire scored a late try to wrap up the win for France, who face New Zealand in the quarter finals.

Ireland were eliminated from the pool stages for the first time as they fell 15-30 to Argentina. Lucas Borges was the first to score for Argentina before Ronan O'Gara scored a penalty for Ireland. Juan Martín Hernández kicked a drop goal soon afterwards as Argentina led 8-3. Ireland briefly took the lead when Brian O'Driscoll scored, but another drop goal from Hernández and a Horacio Agulla try meant that Argentina went into half time leading 18-10. Geordan Murphy scored a try for Ireland after the interval but Argentina were victorious after Felipe Contepomi kicked three penalties and Hernández scored his third drop goal of the match. Argentina will play Scotland in the quarter finals, while Ireland have automatically qualified for the 2011 World Cup by finishing third in Pool D.

Pool A winners South Africa comfortably defeated the United States 64-15. South Africa scored nine tries, with Bryan Habana and Jaque Fourie each scoring two. Takudzwa Ngwenya and Chris Wyles both added tries for the Americans. South Africa face Fiji in the quarter finals, while Australia and England complete the quarter finals lineup.


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Vivien Goldman: An interview with the Punk Professor

October 3, 2007 Vivien Goldman recalls with a laugh the day in 1984 when she saw her death, but the laugh fades as she becomes lost in the memory. She was in Nigeria staying in Fela Kuti's home; she had just arrived hours before and found people sleeping everywhere like house cats when Muhammadu Buhari's army showed up to haul everyone to jail. Kuti was an opponent of the government who was in jail, and they came to arrest his coterie of supporters. They grabbed Goldman and were about to throw her in a truck until Pascal Imbert, Kuti's manager, yelled out, "Leave her alone. She just arrived from Paris!  She's my wife!  She knows nothing!  "

Goldman stops for a moment and then smiles plainly. "They thought I was just some stupid woman.... That time sexism worked in my favor."

Vivien Goldman has become a living, teaching testimony of the golden era of punk and reggae. She is an adjunct professor at New York University who has taught courses on the music scene she was thrust in the middle of as a young public relations representative for Island Records. She writes a column for the BBC called "Ask the Punk Professor" where she extols the wisdom she gained as a confidant of Bob Marley; as the person who first put Flava Flav in video; as Chrissie Hynde's former roommate; as the woman who worked with the The Clash, Sex Pistols, The Slits and The Raincoats.

As Wikinews reporter David Shankbone found out, Goldman is one of those individuals that when you sit in her presence you realize she simply can not tell you everything she knows or has seen, either to protect the living or to respect the dead.

'DS: The first biography of Bob Marley, Soul Rebel, Natural Mystic, was written by you based upon your personal experiences with him, and you have recently written a book about Marley called The Book of Exodus''. How difficult is it to continue to mine his life? Is it difficult to come up with new angles?'''
 * VG: The original biography was written in a weekend and it was based upon my extensive interviews with him, whereas the Exodus book took two and a half years.  I must have been a year past deadline, because it kept on growing.  Even I had to acknowledge it was a more mature work.  After I wrote the first one, all these other people came out with books.  I read them, and they were all good in their different ways, but there was a story that had not been told but that I had lived so intensely, a deep story that had shaped my whole life.  It demanded I write a book about it.  Nobody else has the experience, and I still have that oompf.

DS: You were there with Marley through that time when he really caught on; was it obvious to you then that there was something amazing and unique happening?
 * VG: It was really something, and it was huge, but I didn't examine it then.  I believed in Bob with every fiber of my being, but it was hard to realize how everybody in the world would get it in the end, and just how towering a figure and enduring he would prove to be.  He deserves everything and more; the role that he occupies is so central.  It would have been hard to envisage how huge he became, though.

DS: Warhol’s Factory photographer, Billy Name, once told me he knew that what was going on was amazing, but he never thought Warhol would become the entire fabric of the art world as he is now.
 * VG: Especially in New York.  Warhol was so associated with the punk scene.

DS: But Marley has become a fabric of sorts...
 * VG: Oh, he’s beyond the fabric of reggae, he’s the fabric of the rebel spirit.  Now everybody just puts on a little red, green and gold and they feel it identifies them as being there in the struggle.  Even if it is someone flying to the Hamptons for the weekend, they bring out Marley to expresses the rebel aspect they don’t want to completely lose.

DS: How do you define punk?
 * VG: There are two things.  First, the aesthetic: harder, faster, louder.  But the second thing is what interested me more, which was the rebel spirit and attitude.  That free spirit of punk; that implicit sense of wanting to change a system that is always unfair wherever you are, except for maybe in the Netherlands.  But it's become so commodified

DS: What is the commodified version of punk selling?
 * VG: Edgy and dangerous.  It is amazing: you open the New York Times and the free bits fall out and you get Urban Outfitters or Old Navy with lines of punk kiddie clothes.  K-mart, even.  I was trying to see what was so deeply punk about those clothes.  They were maybe more colorful or something, but they weren’t punk.  It's like the Swarovski crystal take on punk, I mean, please!

DS: That aesthetic is everywhere, as though if one spikes his hair he is punk.
 * VG: Well, the punk is in the heart, to paraphrase Deee-Lite.  I was writing about Good Charlotte and The Police.  They adopted the trappings of punk.  They aren’t bad groups, but the punk aspect is more manifested by somebody like Manu Chao.  He’s one of the punkiest artists out there I can think of.  It’s an inclusionary spirit that is punk.

'''DS: Your philosophy is that punk is not just musical, but also an aesthetic. That it can imbibe anything; that it stands for change and for changing a system. Let me give you a few names, and you to tell me how you think they are or are not punk. Britney Spears.'''
 * VG: Oh, no she’s not punk.  Punk is not just about wearing smeary black eyeliner, but some sense of engagement.  That’s it in a nutshell.  She doesn’t have that sense of engagement.  She is society.

DS: Dick Cheney.
 * VG: He is the essence of Babylonian, old structure capitalism, which is about greed and how much one can take for himself.  I could see capitalism that is mutually beneficial, such as ‘I want a bigger customer base,’ but they don't.  Take a place I know well like Jamaica. I don’t know if you have seen that documentary Life and Debt, about how the INF squeezed everything out of Jamaica, but that’s a typical thing that happens.  Instead of building these people up and paying them a living wage for their work, where we could sell more to them, we just want to suck everything out of the place.  Suck the sugar, suck the labor.  And that is not very punk. It’s the opposite of punk.  That’s what Dick Cheney represents to me.  He tries to bring about change, but change that just fattens his pocket.  It's not thinking of the community, and that's what punk is about.

DS: Kanye West.
 * VG: He seems to be a positive force. In that sense, I would file him slightly under punk.

DS: Osama bin Laden.
 * VG: He thinks he is a punk, but he's too destructive.  If I was sitting in the madrassa in the desert chanting the Koran seven days a week, I'd think, yeah, he's a punk.  But I'm not, so I don't.

'''DS: Is the definition of punk relative, then? He's a Madrasah punk but not a Manhattan punk?'''
 * VG: Having said that, they would loathe punks, so I think we can safely say, not a punk.

DS: Pete Doherty.
 * VG: Oh yeah, I think he's a punk.  He's a punk and he engages with the system in terms of how a powerful a presence he's become.  He is the Keith Richards of his day.

'''DS: If punk is about change, then why the maudlin sentimentality over the closing of CBGB's, which at times turned into demonizing a homeless shelter?
 * VG: Yeah, and they had not paid their rent, had they?  I sided with the homeless shelter in a way, except I thought the whole thing was ridiculous because somebody should have stepped in and bought it and paid it and fixed it up, in the sense there is no shrine.  They don' think about the tourism, do they?  I expect that of America now.  Los Angeles just destroyed the Brown Derby, and the modernist architecture. That's the thing about America. There seems to be very little regard for legacy.  I think they should have kept CBGBs, but I think that more cynically.  My students had a huge debate about it.

'''DS: I felt it was what it was at a certain moment, but it wasn't that anymore. They were charging eight dollars for a beer. That's not very punk, and that wasn't attracting the punk crowds. It was like people who move to the Bowery because they think it's so edgy but it's really a boulevard of glittering condos. '''
 * VG: Nostalgie pour la boue: nostalgia for the mud.  Not all of them, though.  Patti Smith.  Anyway, the spirit had moved on to Williamsburg.

'''DS: Where do you think New York's culture is going? There are so few places on Earth with such a large concentration of creatives who meet and influence each other, but the city is becoming less affordable and cleansed of any grit. Is there a place for punk in the Manhattan of the future?'''
 * VG: They are flushing out the artists.  Manhattan is now a ghetto for the very rich.  When punk started it was in weird places, places you broke into and that had never been used for shows.  It was never in regular venues, but now every nook and cranny is a regular venue and it doesn't leave much space for the old punk spirit.  ABC No Rio, I think they manage to work it in the system.  And there are places like The Stone, John Zorn's place, which has avant-garde free form jazz.  He subsidizes that place, so it remains a little haven.  There are a few little pockets, but it has a lot do with the rent.  Realistically, there's loads of stuff happening in places like Brooklyn, more than there seems to be in Manhattan.  When I jammed with The Slits, that happened at some after-hours thing in Brooklyn in some warehouse.  I remember loads of things in funny places.  The first time I heard Public Enemy I was on the rooftop of a building.

DS: You're friends with Flava Flav, right?
 * VG: Yes, although I haven't seen him in a very long time. I remember how I met him.  I was doing this video for I Ain't No Joke with Erik B and Rakim, and they weren't very vibey in terms of the stagecraft, as it were.  The projection.  Not to diss anybody, but I needed someone to bring a bit more life into it; it was very low-budget, a vérité kind of shoot. We were in a playground in the projects and there were all these blokes hanging around, and there was one who was super-sprightly, like a live wire.  I didn't know it was Flava Flav and I shouted out, Hey, you, will you come over and be groovy for us? and he did and a lot of the action in the video is Flava Flav spinning around, doing a Dervish in the middle of the playground.

DS: At the time he wasn't known?
 * VG: Well, it turned out he was in a group called Public Enemy.  The first time I heard them was at a rooftop party, and it's one of my great New York memories.  It was a warehouse building that's still there behind Houston and Bowery and I remember it was amazing because you never heard music like that before.  It was blaring.  It was so hot and we were in the middle of the city with graffiti on the walls, people smoking spliffs.  It was very free.  You don't see that anymore.  Everything is more heavily policed.

'''DS: Do you think apathy is a problem today?
 * VG: There's less intelligent, critical content in general, and celebrity magazines pay the most and sell the most.  It's the Lowest Common Denominator.  Britney Spears is an unbelievable example. She's so young with no good guidance around her, and she is fodder for them to sell more magazines.  There's a gladiator aspect of it: the worse off she is, the better for that industry.  But I'm still looking for the people who have conscience.  Michael Franti, he's one of the only ones I look to now. He had that band Spearhead.  I'm looking around for conscious artists.

'''DS: What about G. G. Allin? He used to defecate on the stage to make a point.
 * VG: That's quite extreme, and very unhygienic. I wouldn't need to see that.  I don't think that's necessarily punk, it's just scatological.  Some people might think it's punk, but I personally wouldn't dig it.  It's outrageous, but not in the way I find interesting.

'''DS: Well, he's dead. Do you think people are afraid to speak out today?'''
 * VG: I guess in Vietnam you did, but now the culture isn't nearly as organized.

DS: Is violence for the cause of social change punk?
 * VG: Violence will occur in social change.  Violence has always been associated with punk, although punk wants peace in a way.  When you look at all the bands in punk, like No Future and Blank Generation, it has implicit an aspiration to a place where you don't have to be violent.  Often it happens. The punk era was violent.  Very, very violent.  So many people were beaten up during those days.  I'm very much a peacenik, but violence often happens, one observes, on the road to social change.

'DS: Sandra Bernhard once did an homage to what she called the Big-Tittied Bitches of Rock n' Roll'':  Heart, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks. She mourned that there were no big-tittied bitches left. Who are the big-tittied bitches of Rock n' Roll today?
 * VG: M.I.A.  Tanya Stephens.  Joan Jett, still.  The Slits, who still suffer from the system and they are still brilliant.  Male bands of that statute would have more deals.  Big-tittied in terms of cojones, as opposed to cleavage as such.

DS: Do you have moments of extreme self-doubt where you wonder if anything you do matters to anyone?
 * VG: I have a lot of moments of extreme self-doubt, but you have to be humble and listen to what people say.  Although I was never top of the New York Times book chart, I know people have liked my stuff, and that keeps me going.  The classes have been amazing.  I had done a lot of television and media, but it was the first time I had done something one-on-one.  It was the old cliche that a person learns as much as they teach.  Loads of my old students keep in touch with me; one wrote to me to tell me he is free-lancing for XXL and some other rap magazines, and how the classes really have been useful and he always refers to them.  Even just one person is gratifying and encourages me to continue my work.

'''DS: You have worked for two corporations that are seen by many as the least punk in their respective communities, the BBC and NYU. How does one remain punk in such environments?'''
 * VG: I'm a freelancer.  I go in, do my thing, and if they don't like it then I don't do it anymore.  I stay true to myself, and if it doesn't work out then I guess 'fuck off' on both sides.  I haven't had to compromise myself; nobody has asked me to.  BBC America is a different animal than the BBC.  As long as I can say what I want to say; I think people come to me because they know what they are getting.

DS: Have you ever been in a situation where you feared for your life, where you thought, this may be the way I go?
 * VG: There was a lot of violence in the punk times and I got beaten up in street brawls.  I particularly remember once in Nigeria...  I was there to make a documentary for Channel 4 about Fela Kuti.  He was in jail at that time and he wanted to draw attention to his plight to showcase what was going on in Nigeria.  It was hard to get through customs because my guides weren't there to meet me.  I found them hiding in the carpark because the police were after them.

 * We went to Fela's house where I was going to stay; we went to the shrine and it was amazing. The whole house was covered in people sleeping.  I was woken up by this little girl very early in the morning, only about two hours later.  She was tapping me on the shoulder and when I looked around there was nobody there, whereas it had been covered in people.  She said, "Come! Come!  The army is here!"

 * I went outside and there was the army arresting everyone. People were lined up against the wall.  Pascal Imbert, a French guy who was managing Fela, was already on the truck and they were about to take him away.  There were all these really serious, heavey Nigerian soldiers with machine guns around.  Not friendly, more like stone-faced Belsen guards.  It was like that Bob Marley song Ambush in the Night:  there were four guns aiming at me.  They all turned their guns on me and said, "What should we do with her?"  From the truck Pascal shouts out, "Leave her alone!  She's my wife!  She's just arrived from Paris!  She doesn't know anything!"  The combination of the words "She's my wife, she doesn't' know anything" were enough.  Of course, I had neither arrived from Paris nor was his wife.  But they just left me alone; they thought I was just some stupid woman.    That time sexism worked in my favor. [Laughs]  She doesn't know anything!  They were about to take Pascal away and I rushed up to the head guy very bravely—Pascal always gives me props for this—and I said, "Where are you taking my husband?!"  They were actually taking him to a secret jail.

DS: What happened to him in the secret jail?
 * VG: There's a documentary about it.  He got very thin, he contracted dysentry and he got various diseases.  No food, or terrible food.  Luckily for him after some months there was an amnesty and he was amongst the prisoners who were released.  That was a very heavy moment.  I thought I would die, either right then or in a Nigerian jail.

DS: In Jamaica there was so much violence during the civil war.
 * VG: I've seen a lot of death.  Many of the people I knew in Jamaica are dead.  I think of them a lot; like my very, very close friend Massive Dread.  He did so much for the community.  At Christmas he'd hold a big party for the kids, and all the rival gangs would come.  He was trying to break up some of the coke runnings.  They started to have crack dens in Trenchtown and he worked against those.  He was opening a library called the Trenchtown Reading Center, in the middle of this broken down ghetto, where kids could sit down to do homework and read books in this nice courtyard.  It was really worthwhile.


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Champion AFL footballer Chris Mainwaring dies

October 1, 2007

Former West Coast Eagles champion and television presenter Chris Mainwaring (Mainy), 41, died in the early hours of October 1. The cause of death is believed to be a seizure. St John Ambulance was called to Mainwarings home just after midnight and found him unconscious. Mainwaring was pronounced dead shortly after arrival at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital.

Earlier in the evening police had been called to a disturbance at the same address. When they arrived Mainwaring was calm and refused assistance. He was placed in the care of a neighbour and returned home.

Police are investigating his death and will report their findings to the Coroner, a standard procedure for unexplained deaths. The street has been closed off and police are interviewing neighbours.

Seven News released a statement just before midday about the tragic loss, managing director Chris Wharton said, "Mainy was part of the heart and soul of Channel Seven Perth, and we will all miss him very, very dearly..."

"Our thoughts must go to Chris' family, especially Rani and the children for their sad loss."

Chris Mainwaring played in East Fremantle's premiership in 1985, and was selected in the first Eagles squad in 1986. He played in the Eagles first Grand final in 1991 as well as in both their 1992 and '94 AFL premierships. Mainwaring was named All-Australian 1991 and '96, retiring from AFL at the end of 1999 season.

Mainwaring played one more season for East Fremantle before hanging up his boots and becoming a journalist. He worked in sports reporting for local radio stations before becoming a successful sports presenter with Channel Seven Perth.

He is survived by his wife and two children.


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Talk:National Football League: Quarterback Brett Favre breaks record for touchdowns/Comments

It's been a pleasure watching his amazing career. Congrats Brett!

Brett is over rated, give me a break! The sack record was a joke with his buddy Michael Strahan GIVING it to him. I'm SO sick of Brett Favre haivng his ass kissed by ESPN because he's white. If he was black, they wouldn't give Brett half the time they are now.


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Fatal fall in Yellowstone National Park

October 1, 2007 Charlotte Harrison, from Beverly Hills, fell to her death while taking pictures at the edge of a steep canyon after she stepped over a low rock wall at a pull out on the Grand Loop Road in Yellowstone National Park.

Rangers were called to the Calcite Springs area, just north of Tower Falls at about 6:30 p.m. on Friday. They could see a woman lying immobile on the canyon floor near the Yellowstone River. Yellowstone fire department and a technical rescue team responded. A ranger rappelled down the steep 500-foot embankment to reach the woman and confirmed that she was dead. Due to darkness, steep terrain, and the complex nature of this type of large scale operation, park staff had to wait until Saturday morning to remove the victim from the canyon floor. An autopsy conducted over the weekend shows the cause of death was massive trauma caused by the fall.

32-year old Harrison and a 39-year-old male friend from Los Angeles were traveling through the park, and had stopped to take pictures at a pullout in the Calcite Springs area just north of Tower Falls when the incident occurred.

This is the second fatal fall at this particular pullout in two years. Harrison slipped off the edge only about four meters from where a woman fell to her death in April 2006.

The incident remains under investigation. Anyone with information they think might help investigators is asked to call the Park Tip Line at 307-344-2132.

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Hirsi Ali returns to the Netherlands

October 1, 2007

Former Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali returned to the Netherlands, from the United States because she can no longer be protected in that country. The Dutch government has stopped paying for her protection in the U.S. as of October 1, and the American government is not willing to pay for her security.

Hirsi Ali left for the United States in 2006 in order to work for the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C.. Now she has returned back to the Netherlands and she will continue for the American think tank. The Dutch government has agreed to continue paying for her protection, now that she is back on Dutch soil.

Hirsi Ali has needed protection because she has been uttering critical remarks on Islam for which she received several threats. Ali wrote the script for Submission, a movie about the Muslim culture and its treatment of women in 2004. Shortly after, Theo Van Gogh, the creator of the film was assassinated by Muslim extremists who also threatened to kill Ali.

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 * http://www.bnr.nl/ShowNieuwsArtikel.asp?Context=N%7C2%2C0&src=redactie&id=8539
 * Groen Links has requested a parliamentary debate. They probably won't get it but they've requested it.
 * http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article778723.ece/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali_terug_in_Nederland
 * Minister of Justice Hirsch Balin is the person refusing to foot the bill.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOy7Rj71m4k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enrc%2Enl%2Fbinnenland%2Farticle778723%2Eece%2FAyaan%5FHirsi%5FAli%5Fterug%5Fin%5FNederland
 * Recent fox news interview.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8AYs56RAY
 * recent bbc interview

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Comments:German man arrested for selling screws worth $155,000

Haha
Haha, I find this pretty funny. But it's still stealing!

Were these loose screws?

Lol, you could say he's pretty screwed now! Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 06:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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Man with grenades arrested outside US embassy in Austria

October 1, 2007 A man carrying a bag containing in what reports call hand, nails and " literature" was arrested outside the United States embassy in , Austria.

The unnamed Bosnian man, who is reported to be 42 years-old, tried to enter the embassy, triggering metal detector alarms. As a result, he placed the bag in front of the embassy and began to run from authorities.

"There were a lot of nails in that bag. Had it exploded, it would have had an enormous shrapnel effect," said a counter terrorism spokeswoman for Austria's government.

Subway trains and buses have been rerouted while officials use bomb-sniffing dogs to search the areas surrounding the embassy.

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Fred Thompson raises nearly nine million dollars, falls short of expectations

October 1, 2007 United States Presidential candidate Fred Thompson will report he raised just over US$8 million for his 2008 White House bid. However, this falls short of expectations when compared to rival Mitt Romney’s $21.2 million or Rudy Giuliani’s $16.6 million first quarter funds. Second tier candidate, Texas Representative Ron Paul, raised $1 million online in the last week after initially setting a goal of $500,000.

In contrast, Democratic frontrunners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's respective campaigns received $53 million and $59 million in the first half of the year. Both candidates are expected to have brought in "at least $17 million each in the third quarter."


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Thousands of Monks in Burma to be imprisoned; Thousands more reported dead

October 1, 2007 Several reports coming out of Myanmar today suggest that thousands of monks involved in protests against the Burmese government will "be sent away" to prisons outside of the capital city of Rangoon. Other reports are stating that the number of monks killed by Burmese troops are in the thousands.

According to reports by BBC News, at least 4,000 or more monks have been arrested and questioned by government authorities in their recent crackdown on protests favoring democracy for the nation. It is reported that they are being held at the Government Technological Institute, the Kyaikkasan racing track and in a prison called Insein Prison. From these locations, they will be transported to prisons located in the extreme northern part of Burma. The monks have not been allowed to wear their robes and are in shackles, and some of them have been beaten. Many have also initiated a hunger strike, refusing to eat.

Although the Burmese government reports only 10 monks to have been killed, other reports from activists and media agencies say that the death toll is in the thousands. Pictures have surfaced claiming that thousands of dead monks have been dumped inside the Burmese jungles. Many of the monks who managed to escape capture from troops have dressed in civilian clothing and have begun to hide inside their temples or have fled Rangoon.

"Many more people have been killed in recent days than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand," said a deserter of the Burmese army and a former intelligence officer, Hla Win. He also states that he deserted the army when he was ordered to kill monks in what he called a "massacre of holy men."

"I decided to desert when I was ordered to raid two monasteries and force several hundred monks on to trucks. They were to be killed and their bodies dumped deep inside the jungle. I refused to participate in this," added Win.

An unnamed diplomatic official from Sweden also claims that at least 40 monks were beaten to death, then their bodies were burned.

Meanwhile, Ibrahim Gambari, an envoy for the United Nations is in Burma attempting to resolve the issues there and meet with government officials, but he has been unsuccessful so far in arranging a meeting. New reports say that the government is making Gambari wait another day before there will be the possibility of a meeting.

"He [Gambari] will come back tomorrow and he will meet with the senior general tomorrow in Naypyidaw," said an unnamed U.N. Information Ministry official. Gambari is waiting to meet with Senior General Than Shwe, the head of the junta, to urge a resolution to the violence. This is the second day the meeting has been postponed.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Family Coalition Party candidate Bob Innes, Hamilton East—Stoney Creek

October 1, 2007 Robert (Bob) Innes is running for the Family Coalition Party in the Ontario provincial election, in the Hamilton East—Stoney Creek riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed him regarding his values, his experience, and his campaign.

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

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'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * I have lived in east Hamilton for the past seven years or three floods worth which may explain why I'm running. Since 911, I've been disgusted by 1) political correctness and bias in media and political dialog 2) inability of parties to address fundamental problems 3) political encouragement of a smug and selfish attitudes on the part of Canadians.

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * My working life was as a Professional Engineer in the field of recycling and waste management where I came to understand how our political system operates in dysfunctional ways, wasting resources AND wasting people because bureaucracies are not co-operating, how the taxpayer is the last person considered. My ability to think laterally enables me to connect dots others do not see or care about. As an engineer, I prefer to solve problems rather than building long term bandaid solutions such as food banks.

'''Which of your competitors do you expect to pose the biggest challenge to your candidacy? Why?'''
 * The FCP is the only social conservative choice Hamilton voters have. All other parties are now on the left of the political spectrum, indistinguishable, musical chair changers. I have sympathy with the other small (Green) party, having spent a lot of time conserving and developing economical solar heating for my home, however we differ on to two important issues: the cause of global warming which we believe is more likely to be a hotter sun (until proven otherwise) and the use of subsidies to achieve green objectives. We believe that taxes are way too high already and I am incensed to think that my solar savings (from building a cheap collector) would be taxed away so greens can hand out expensive/uneconomic solar collectors to their friends. McGuinty actually did this with air conditioners.

What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?

 * I would not be a back bencher who would have to toe the line. Other than our core beliefs, the FCP is a coalition party, wanting to work with others on specific issues. That is how democracy should really work and it is important for voters to approve the MMP system. As it is now, our democracy is unable to deal with difficult issues until a crisis occurs which can be a very dangerous approach. This is because independent voices are not heard, and not being heard, important long term or minority problems are simply not discussed.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * I am utterly opposed to poll driven politics (sort of a mob rule) and want to chide voters for thinking politicians are there to do their bidding rather than acting in the interest of both your area and the whole province and nation. I'd guess that Hamilton voters want more doctors, more benefits and to follow the herd on global warming even if it wrecks our economy without solving the problem. I believe its like we are on the Titanic, oblivious to the "icebergs" of demographic change, dangerous (historical) reactions to overtaxation, gathering storm clouds of conflict, ongoing economic dislocation to emerging economies, and deterioration of the pillars of Canadian society. Canada, while seemingly in good shape,has altered a once strong political system so as to follow failed states into the dustbin of history without having contributed anything meaningful.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly?
 * Put the MMP system in place.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * No. Hamilton taxes are so high that they have crushed property values, ruined business districts, whipped industry to death and still there is no relief. Do voters know that industrial taxes are about 11% which means that a business must "buy" itself back from the city every 7 years or so? This is nonsense that has insidious repercussions. As noted, having developer based politicians, it is impossible to re-balance tax burdens properly onto the appropriate base. Shopping malls for instance have killed main street businesses but should be paying far higher tax based on the huge parking areas required and roads required as feeders. You won't hear this from your Chamber of Commerce.

 * It was fun though listening to Toronto's Mayor holding his citizens to ransom to get a tax increase without doing a comparison between taxtakers and taxpayers. Somehow, the media (CBC Radio in this case) cannot seem to ever discover the game in order to let voters in on the secret. They seem to be in cahoots.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * Lower taxes and over-regulation. Think Ireland. In Canada, government is 40% of the economy, meaning producers must fork over 2/3 of their sector to "gummerment". In turn, this doubles the price of everything, which explains why the NDP has it backwards and is the cause, not the solution to poverty. They do not realize that a poor person is just as happy with lower costs as with higher wages. But lower costs would follow a reduction of gummerment which by regulation, often stands in the way of the poor trying to get ahead. I watched as a young couple tried to make a go selling hot dogs but were crushed by the onerous burden of meeting all the regulations (cart cost over ten grand, license fee over CA$300, nasty inspectors). A friend, driven out of Canada by the magnitude of gummerment hassles and prospered mightily in Costa Rica, priced a certain item at $200 in Canada, $125 in the US and $75 locally. No wonder Canadians are again flocking over the border to shop. This time, its not currency, which is at par. If you want people to work, get gummerment out of the way, out of peoples pockets, and reduce disincentives to work.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation (MMP) referendum?
 * I agree that MMP works to make democracy more sensitive to voters' ideas and would have rectified things like the Residential School debacle much more quickly. Initially, I was concerned that the list could be a source of problems but was convinced that if it did occur, could be corrected later. I myself and many people criticizing the concept on the basis of the Italian experience but then I realized that we should give Italy a bit more credit. For a small country with few resources it seems they are doing quite well thank you. The coalition idea is to create temporary alliances in order to deal with one problem and then if needed shuffle things around to deal with a different problem. At present, we just sweep problems under the carpet and hope they go away.

'''What role, if any, does "new media" play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube videos, etc) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * At present, this is almost all we have. Big contributors smell money in power and will never support a small party. Please visit my Facebook page, and the Family Coalition Page is at www.familycoalitionparty.com

'''Of the decisions made by Ontario's 38th Legislative Assembly, which was the most beneficial to your electoral district? To the province as a whole? Which was least beneficial, or even harmful, to your riding? To the province as a whole?'''

 * The province continues to crush Hamilton under the weight of welfare and educational budgets and unfair property assessments, without enabling cities to actually solve the problem. Urban sprawl is the major problem the province has done nothing about and which undermines global ability to survive the decline of oil fields worldwide (never mind global warming.) Cities (offspring of provincial legislation) continue to be run by developers and their money which makes it impossible to deal with inner city problems. Amalgamation didn't help either.

 * For a small population in a huge country with an inadequate birth rate, high divorce rate and too many untended kids, to undermine the traditional family even more (gay marriage, no income splitting, promoting unhealthy lifestyles in schools) is to contribute to the serious long term consequences we are starting to experience as demographics change and kids shoot each other with impunity and the health system collapses for lack of young workers.

 * On the bright side, Hamilton got a new Marine Display and a pork barrel handout just before the writ was dropped. Whoop--dee-doo. When will voters learn?


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Talk:Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Family Coalition Party candidate Bob Innes, Hamilton East—Stoney Creek

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