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I think we should
I think we should probably have a better source then that. People sometimes say stuff like that without it being true. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hence develop. I intend to wait until there is more. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Shutr, from ihaveameme here. Any chance you could put my URL next to the quote? I know thats just shameless self promotion and either way its quite nice to see my writing there. I'm not particularly bothered by the admission to gigaloading. In my opinion, this is Fair Game. Aha ha. (preceding unsigned comment by 83.141.126.213)

OR
Have had a few people tell me they are getting the message "The word Scientology means search for truth..." when the site does load...no where to go or click. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 06:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I just reached the site. DoS over. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Your edits to the article itself look fine - but I'm not sure it's over yet - it is still loading very slowly for me... Wilhelm 15:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * I just got an error trying to load it. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I had another stab; still works fine for me, including navigating round the site. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not working for me, maybe its a location thing?? --Mark Talk to me 15:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Text loaded, but not the images...very slow --Jcart1534 18:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just tried again right now, I'm getting similar to you - very very slow loading, and no images. Wilhelm 19:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC).

 * (outdent) I just tried to load www.scientology.org just now to see if it's working - couldn't get anything to load or appear on the screen at all. Is anyone else getting the same thing?  Wilhelm 22:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Update, tried to load www.scientology.org at a different computer at a different location - still not getting anything at all, no images, nothing, so I'm going to update the article. Wilhelm 00:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Update, we are now clearly into January 21, and the site is still not loading at all. As this is now past the date of publication for this article, I think it's fine to leave it as is.  If there are future breaking developments with enough sources to write an article, that info could go in a new article.  Wilhelm 03:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

Load of links...
Load of links for people who have more time are below --Mark Talk to me 15:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://freekatie.yuku.com/topic/3894
 * http://www.encyclopedia Remove space here - damn spam filter :-( dramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY and its talk page
 * http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology
 * Gotta run out for a short bit, if no one else works on these, I'll work it in to the article within a coupla hours or so. Wilhelm 15:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Response: First two sources you mentioned aren't really that great, third is already sourced in the article.  Wilhelm 18:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC).

More sources
Anyone finding any more/better sources of info? Wilhelm 06:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC).

Anonymous
Totally off the mark with "Anonymous", it's not a person, it's just a *chan meme for pretty much anybody and everybody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.31.131 (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It may be both, but in this case it refers to the first user that made the initial posting, whoever that "Anonymous" was, we may never know. Wilhelm 14:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Hello, my name is Anonymous. It's not a meme, it's an identity.  You are Anonymous.  I am Anonymous.  I happen to be an Anonymous who runs the Insurgent Wiki though; just wanted to point out it's a wiki for raids OF 4chan.  We give the resources for 4chan and our /b/rothers to use. 68.1.80.32 22:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not true. Much confusion has arisen due to this simple misunderstanding. The culprit was an Ebaumsworld user whose handle happens to be "Anonymous", not a group of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.146.85 (talk) 13:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I can confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.87.111 (talk) 08:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

New sources, post article's publication
Interesting stuff, too bad it's now way after January 20th, perhaps if more info comes out about this it could be a brief new article. Wilhelm 17:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) ‘Anonymous’ warning to Scientologists, p2pnet news
 * 2) Has the Scientology site been hacked?, p2pnet news
 * 3) RIAA wiped off the net: Hacktivists at work, The Register
 * 4) SCIENTOLOGY VS. THE INTERNET: Why Kids On The Internet Are Scientology's Most Powerful Enemy, Gawker.com
 * 5) Internet Group Anonymous Declares "War on Scientology", Press Release, Chan Enterprises
 * 6) Anonymous on Fox 11, FOX News, MyFOX Los Angeles
 * 7) Message to Scientology, YouTube, from "Anonymous"
 * 8) Scientology Turns Into A Traffic Magnet, WebProNews
 * Wilhelm is correct here; Wikinews has a secondary purpose to just writing news which is to preserve a record of what was known at the time. If you look at most of our older articles you'll see they're protected - forever. Procedures exist to get spelling and other non-content errors fixed but the official policy is that when something is a week old it gets dumped in the archive.
 * We use a template, breaking as a way to publish and indicate the story may change, but this shouldn't stay on a story much beyond its publication date.
 * This article - unfortunately - was a target for a lot of vandalism and god-awful grammar. (Like wot mine sometimes is ;) ). It got semi-protected some time after publication to prevent people putting in ''ZOMG!!!!11!!!! This is teh funniest" or similar.
 * If it is wrong about ebaumsworld and the source of the original meme then the problem has been that the people who want to make the case don't do it very effectively.

 * In any case, I think this is the first time I've seen people on the comments page saying they're from alt.religion.scientology - despite earlier stories. Those guys have been exposing CoS for years. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The "ebaumsworld" thing is something that the Project Chanology anons are saying to try to divert attention from their site. The entry for ebaumsword on the Insurgency Wiki says quite simply "EBAUMS ALWAYS DID IT."  So I would not take those anon claims too seriously...  Wilhelm 10:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


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Mis-relation to 4chan
Insurgency wiki is not a spinoff of 4chan. Don't just try to mention 4chan in it without direct relation. Insurgency wiki, is as its name is, it's a wiki for insurgency.

What the hell is 4chan? Ebaums did it.

Down with Scientology
they are fanatical scum look at tom cruise he is brainwashed wtf is wrong wtih him lol17:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)17:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)17:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)66.69.219.50

DOWN WITH SCIENTOLOGY !!!3

The power of collaboration
Here you can see what just a few communities can do together, it's getting a little scary if you ask me. 84.84.132.105 16:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This article reads a lot like a group trying to piggyback on a current event (the Tom Cruise videos) with a common DDoS attack and using Wikinews as their press agency. AndroidCat 07:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * @androidcat - or, perhaps, the power of anon coming down like the storm of hellfury that it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.6.244 (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This started long before Wikinews was involved aka wrote the story. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "published" the article, though I've been working on it, and I defer to his judgment. Wilhelm 08:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * I admit that some of the early Scientology vs. Internet conflicts lacked hard sources too, but that was expected back when Mosaic was the browser of choice... :) AndroidCat 08:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As soon as more sources develop (as long as it's not too long from now) they will be added to the article. Wilhelm 08:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * How did this turn yellow exactly? Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 03:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * How did what turn yellow? Wilhelm 03:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

Anon non sequitur comments
LOL, anonymous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.121.42 (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Linking to Chanology is not allowed. You have been warned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.186.6 (talk) 08:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I love U anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.152.161.68 (talk) 12:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The Budapest Times

 * Church of Scientology website being attacked by hackers - Most interesting. Wilhelm 12:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC).

WOOHOO!
ebaumsworld finally done it!

That's to you scientology

ebaumsworld--213.42.21.53 13:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

 * watch yourself Anonymous1138

Very effective hack job...
I am so curious to see what comes of this, no website of any significants I know of has ever been effectively "shut down".

What if... could the site be down for the count?? Not likely, but what if it is KOed? And again every second round? Effectively getting ass kicked with it's "lights knocked out" repeatedly? Hm? Hmmm...Curious. High time for Scientology to stop acting like Bullies anyway. Lest someone finds that proverbial "... nine foot board fence". Jargon Scientologist and LRH refers to in a story told in His 'An Introduction To Scientology Ethics' book, where on, as a young Hubbard, by climbing up top "a nine foot board fence" and waiting to pounce jumps feet first with a flurry of knuckles to beat up the biggest bullies who were giving the younger school mates at that time a hard time, thus "making the entire area safe again" for everyone. That said, I'm not sure who the "bully" is and who is walking away/around with a "black eye" The Church? Tom? ... Too early to say as dust settles. It is a sure bet rag-author/tabloid-journalist Andrew Mortin is neither bully or foe, a stupid simple Third Party rather,(see The Third Party Law via link above)He is so stupid He it is much more likely Mortin couldn't even climb a nine foot fence with any dexterity. It is more likely, as you can just imagine, slips, falls and castrates himself. Going over the top stays mostly ignored. As He should be. A bloody goof. --Anton 13:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Its not that unusual. You just don't hear about it that often. (its easier to launch a dos attack against a smaller site then a larger site). Bawolff ☺☻ 05:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

i herd
I herd it was Ebaumsworld

i herd they did it for the lulz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.35.133.151 (talk) 14:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Anon just owned those naabz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.53.129 (talk) 14:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hacking doesn't help
Hello. I'm one of the posters to alt.religion.scientology, Operation Clambake and the Ex-Scio message boards that have expressed disapproval of this. I'm not anonymous, posting under my real name there and on Wikipedia.

Critics of the Church of Scientology have been active on the Internet since 1995, and we have had a fair measure of success. It takes time and a lot of behind the scenes effort to oppose determined fanatics. An anarchist internet community attacking the cult for a few days is going to make no difference whatsoever, on the contrary it will give the cult a propaganda coup. There will be claims that our activities encourage religious bigotry and hatred against the 'Scientology religion'.

Ironically criticism of the cult on the Internet took off in 1996 when the cult tried to shut down alt.religion.scientology. The Usenet community stood by us then and has since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.180.131 (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

To be clear, we do not want the Church of Scientology's websites hacked or removed. They have as much right to be there as our sites. Freedom of speech is all about defending the rights of those you detest to oppose you, not about fighting for your own rights and ignoring those of others.

We disown these people. We have no reason to suppose they are not sincere, but they are not helping. - Hartley Patterson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.180.131 (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To Hartley Patterson -- This is not the best site to complain about this sort of thing, though of course you are free to make your comments. Most of us here at Wikinews (though I can't vouch for all the other anon-ips) mainly spend our time here writing articles about events as they happen.   Not sure where else you could post your comments where those active in this incident would read them, perhaps Slashdot or somewhere else like that?  Wilhelm 15:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Sorry to confuse you - the article is fine, it's the hackers I'm annoyed about. You've made the critics views clear enough I think. --Hartley Patterson 20:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous1138 —Preceding comment was added at 18:40, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But why do nothing when you can at least piss them off?

—208.53.147.24 07:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Beyond that point, it would seem that for many the time has come to fight fire with fire. They designate people as fair game, as suppressive persons, and harass and persecute them, abridging their basic human rights as outlined by the United Nations. Even internally, they've exploited and even killed their own believers by following their belief system, and they've done this globally, from Queensland to Germany to the United States. They are, as debunkers have know for years, some of the openly litigious, dangerous cults to have ever taken root on this planet, and until this day they have faced no opponent who was willing to turn the tables on them, mainly because there has been no previous opponent with the numbers, skills and resources to fight them in the same fashion they take on those designated as fair game/suppressive persons. However, they've brought their censorship and attack on free speech to people who literally believe in said right to free speech above all else, to people who have an absolute sense of Justice, so they have sealed their own fates. While we are thankful to the anti-cultists and debunkers who came before us and who have provided us with a wealth of information, it is time for their charade to end. They've had countless chances to come clean, work with the bounds of the law and to respect human rights. They've continued on their warped path instead. As the Old Testament would say, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Now is the time
This is the explosive climax of the scientology vs the internet war.

they will fall.

they will give in.

we are anon, we are legion.

On the planet Teegeeak born and raised in Volcanoes is where my Thetans spent most of their days, Being overpopulated and cool and all watching some brainwashing movies outside of DC8 making school Till a couple of Psychiatrists who were up to no good, started freezing aliens in my neighborhood, I got in one little explosion and my Overlord Got scared and said "your moving with the homospaiens on Earth, that planet with air" So I floated toward home but when I came near the Soul Catching devices trapped me like Ghostbuster gear. If anything I could say the in-flight movie was rare but I thought "nah forget it, Yo Xenu to to Earth if you care" I looked at my fleshy prison and I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of the beasts with body hair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.222.242.186 (talk) 16:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha... Fresh Prince. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.236.56 (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Scientology
4chan does not allow /i/nvasion. In fact as I watched some proboards that were assembling this raid one or two said they posted it on a chan and got banned for it. Newgrounds used to have an invasion board long ago so they might have helped but the accredited attacker in all the youtube comments and small independent attack forums was Ebaumsworld.

very interesting... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.132.34.60 (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

 * And I read in a number of places that the plan was to say that Ebaumsworld was the "accredited attacker"... AndroidCat 20:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No doubt Ebaumsworld have been saying that to deflect attention from themselves.

4chan are going to pull another "Fort Longcat" ban wave again... --212.2.181.13 22:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you know this? Do you have a source of some kind?  Wilhelm 02:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

This Ain't Hacking, Toto
This is not a hack; they are called script kiddies. The original lamer, sorry, I mean poster, contributes to giving hackers a bad name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.141.81 (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Moar liek...
"Hackers on steroids!" The "Internet Hate Machine" strikes again. ;) I'm surprised there's so many comments, hell, I think this is more then the time we reported on the Fox News website attack. --TUFKAAP 01:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

We are the Future.
Universal connectivity is leading to the erosion of long held factional ideologies and conceptions of property. There is no sympathy for the willful ignorance of the faithful. There is no tolerance for the proselytizers or the evangelists. Those who turn away from truth are ridiculed. Those who attempt to hide truth are defeated. Those who attempt to distort truth are destroyed. The Church of Scientology was not the first. They won't be the last. The internet is now self-regulating. There is no law. There is only us.

All you anons and your comments here...
I must say that all you anon posters and your comments here are really funny. Thanks for making me laugh and brightening up my day a bit. Wilhelm 13:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

These script kiddies are fucking losers, morons, Republicans
Fredric Rice here, long time a.r.s newsgroup participant and a founding member of the ARSCC (wdne.)

This is fucking outright stupid. What are you, Republicans?

The Scientology crime syndicate is going down by inches thanks to the Internet and thanks to the crime syndicate's core criminals -- Helena Kobrin, Kendrick Moxon, Eliot Abelson (of the Gambino crime family fame) Ava P. and, of course, the frothingly insane Scientology kook rantings of Tom Cruise, Kirsty Alley, and the other remaining Scientology customers who are showing the world once again what happens to people who purchase too much Scientology.

This script kiddy fuckingly stupid assault against the crime syndicate's web site not only doesn't stop the criminal enterprise from rooking and swindleing "raw meat" prospective customers, it gives the criminal enterprise (finally) a legitimate excuse to proclaimng that they're "victims of terrorism" and no end of the crime syndicate's fraudulent accusations which they employ to try to pretetend they're some how a religion.

These stupid fucks attacking the crime syndicate's web servers need to be beaten, dragged off to prison, and get repeatedly ass raped by Tom Cruise and David Miscaviage until they agree to grow up and stop giving the crime syndicate everything they could have hoped for (short of their money.)

Good fucking grief.

My opinions only and only my opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.196.158 (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * unwarranted self-importance. also, tl;dr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.62.86 (talk) 05:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Never forget, never forgive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.26.8 (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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I don't approve
If you look here you'll see the folks from a.r.s. don't think much of the coverage. Perhaps some of them should pass their email addresses on to scoop@wikinewsie.org to get quotes from them for future articles.

I agree totally with the comments that this is the wrong way to go about it. Ridicule is far more effective and you can't ridicule something you can't see. That was why the CoS was so keen to see the Cruise video offline. I watched it and conclude Scientology teaches you to babble incoherently.

On the other hand, Ebaumsworld obviously teaches you to be a better script kiddie. This wasn't "hackers", "Internet idiots" yes.

Simple really. Denying someone the right to speech is also denying them the right to make a fool of themselves. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, see my comment on the talkpage for the article. It was very likely not anything at all to do with Ebaumsworld.  It would certainly be nice to get some quotes from the a.r.s folks directly - but you can always take a quote straight from the newsgroup postings - provided you don't accidentally quote a Office of Special Affairs agent.  Wilhelm 10:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

We do not forgive. We do not forget. We are legion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.174.232 (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Rules 1 and 2 also 4chan had nothing to do with this hack it was other groups on a /I/ wiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.248.3 (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 * At this point ARS looks like the people supporting the Clinton campaign. Conventional, old, and bitter about being forced to pass the torch to a (more effective, more savvy) next generation.  Anonymous would, I'm certain, prefer to have the support of all anti-Scientology advocates.  But with or without approval, the war will, doubtless, go forward.  There is a very important comment from the preceding post.  "you can't ridicule something you can't see."  Which is precisely why Anonymous is doing what they're doing.  It is the goal of the Scientologists to hide this information from the public.  Anonymous will destroy their communications, disrupt their inner workings.. and steal their data.  We've already seen this.  If they have any other "crazy videos" they would be wise to delete them and destroy the hard drives that stored them.  Anonymous is everywhere, and they do have the ability and the willpower to conduct "IRL operations."  Also, the "Church" has apparently posted a $5000 reward for information on any of these Anonymous raiders.  However, it's hard for them to get that message to the world.. because the site which they used to post this information disappeared within minutes.  And the email which they provided for "tips" was vandalised, spammed, and possibly compromised.  Enjoy!

pwnd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.23.238 (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no information about Scientology on it's homepage, apart from common knowledge (Dianetics, LRH, CoS locations) but nothing about what Scientology actually is. You have to pay them extortiate (literally) sums of money to get information that has, thankfully, been put up elsewhere. It shows that Scientology is nothing but a scam, a money-making exercise that has been going on too long. It has, and does, do terrible things, lies, and uses tactics that no other group would dare in today's society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.197.246 (talk) 06:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Good.
Scientology, the cult of narrow minded, brainwashing, self imposed saviors of the world. Based on pure propaganda, and their ability to attract Hollywood's morons. Their following of ignorance should be despised on the internet, as it is a place of knowledge, a place where you can argue about anything, with anyone, and sound smart via a quick read through on the subjects Wikipedia page. Not only do I think it's hilarious that their site got taken down I think its great that hackers are there to take them down a peg, and not submit to the censorship of one of their followers moronic acts. The video should stay, hell it should be featured just to show the cerebral black hole that is Scientology.

-Johnonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.104.129 (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The ARSCC isn't difficult to contact
The long-time ARSCC people aren't difficult to contact. I'm at frice@skeptictank.org and overwhelmingly I oppose this stupid script kiddy nonsense. We see in the mainstream media that just as the ARSCC predicted, the MSM is spinning this scriptie attack as an attack against a religion. Tory reported in a.r.s that she saw Channel 9 news depict it as an assault against free speech. Good fucking grief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.55.142.146 (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I think that their site just couldn't take the extra visits. They could indeed have been legit visits and their server just couldn't take the increased traffic. Or it could have been a Denial of Service attack. There's no way to prove it either way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melodic zodiac (talk • contribs) 21:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Scientology Website
Honestly, I think that their site just couldn't take the extra visits. They could indeed have been legit visits and their server just couldn't take the increased traffic. Or it could have been a Denial of Service attack. There's no way to prove it either way. Why are they so quick to blame hackers when it could've just been their OWN DAMN STUPIDITY?

I don't care what Scientologist's believe. I just have a problem with their actions against anyone who protests them. People protest the Catholic church but do they brainwash people, extort money from them, blackmail, force women to have abortions, try to invade national governments? NO! Yes, the Vatican is technically it's own country and is run by the pope of the Catholic church, but that doesn't count.

Anonymous
We are anonymous. We fight the Church of Scientology because it is an evil organization. On Febuary the tenth, we opened the public eye to the truth, the truth that the CoS is a cult based on money and science-fiction.

We will rise again on the 15th of March, the birthdate of Scientology's founder, to protest again.

Beware the Ides of March. We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. And now, no one will ever forget.

3/15/08.

Expect us.

---Anonymous

—71.255.190.151 14:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Co-pilot steered stricken Heathrow jet to safety

January 20, 2008

Senior first officer John Coward feared everyone on board British Airways Flight BA38 was going to die in a "catastrophic crash", the Sunday Mirror reports. Coward landed the Boeing 777, registration G-YMMM, by putting it down with a "series of thuds as it bounced along the grass" 400 metres short of the runway threshold, and just within Heathrow's perimeter fence at Hatton Cross last Thursday. All on board survived.

Speaking from his family home in France last night he said "As the final approach started I became aware that there was no power. Suddenly there was nothing from any of the engines, and the plane started to glide." This "total loss of power and avionics" occurred at a height of 600ft above Hounslow, two nautical miles from touchdown and within one minute's flying time of the airport. He added: "I didn't think we'd clear the fence at first. As we landed I was bracing myself for an enormous thud. But instead of one thud, there was a series of thuds as it bounced along the grass. Eventually it shuddered to a halt. While I was trying to stop the plane, I struggled to try and keep it in a straight line."

Co-pilot Coward was under the command of Captain Peter Burkill, who said Mr Coward had done a "most remarkable job" in landing the aircraft and praised him and all his crew for showing "the highest standards of skill and professionalism".

All 136 passengers and 16 crew on board escaped - 18 of the passengers needed treatment including one with a broken leg - there were no fatalities. The plane was removed from the end of runway 27L during the afternoon of Sunday 20th January.

Members of the Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) have been working on G-YMMM (built in 2001 and one of 43 in the British Airways fleet) continuously since the crash-landing to determine the cause of the failure.


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suck britney

what I think of paparazzi
all paparazzi should be murdered in front of their families and friends to show how worthless their lives really are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.193.28.73 (talk) 00:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


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Jesuits choose Adolfo Nicolás as their new Superior General

January 20, 2008

Following four days of prayer and discussions among the 217 electors representing more than 19,000 members worldwide, the Society of Jesus, whose members are also known as Jesuits, chose Adolfo Nicolás yesterday as their new Superior General.

Father Nicolás, 71, born in Villamuriel de Cerrato, Palencia, Spain, is now the thirtieth "black pope", as the Superior General is known for his black priest's vestments, of the largest religious order of the Catholic Church.

The Vatican reported that Pope Benedict XVI was the first to know of the Jesuits' decision and immediately gave his required approval.

The Jesuit congregation in their headquarters in Rome, a block away from the Vatican, followed the unexpected resignation of Father Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, who requested, with the Pope's approval, that he be removed from his usually life-long position citing his old age (he turns 80 this year) and years of service to the order.

Father Nicolás joined the order in Spain in 1953, traveled in 1960 to Japan, was ordained in March 17, 1967 in Tokyo, became director of the East Asian Pastoral Institute in Manila, and later became moderator of the Jesuit Conference of East Asia and Oceania.

In addition to his native Spanish, Nicolás can speak English, Italian, French, and Japanese.

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Africans keep the leading position at 2008 Mumbai Marathon

January 20, 2008 The Standard Chartered Marathon, nicknamed "The Greatest Race on Earth", held its third stage in Mumbai, India today. Because of the scorching hot weather in India, marathon runners had to adapt to the weather to overcome the challenge.

More than 30,000 runners participated in this race, joined by local NGOs and disabled who participated in a special charity short-distance running including 6km dream run, 4.3 km senior, and 2.5km wheel-chair classes. Gabriela Szabo, former Romanian Olympic Gold Medalist, named as charity ambassador of the race, was pleased by the participation from experts and NGOs.

An hour into the race, former champion Daniel Rono and Joseph Kimisi took the lead, but then Tariku Jifar from Ethiopia and defending champion John Ekiru Kelai took over Rono and Kimisi. After 40 kilometres, Kelai took a decisive lead and finally retained his champion title in 2 hours 12 minutes 22 seconds.

In the Women's Group, Mulu Seboka from Ethiopia won the champion with 2H30m03s. Local runners Surendra Singh & Kavita Raut won the Men's and Women's Champions in the half-marathon class.

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Comments:John McCain wins Republican South Carolina primary

McCain might screw up traffic in California, the Midwest, and the Northeast if elected
If he vetoes spending bills because they include Amtrak spending (which he has a record of considering to be "pork barrel spending"), effectively zeroing out Amtrak's budget, then the trains might stop running, leading to heavy traffic jams in urban parts of this country. Opposing Amtrak as an Arizona senator (Arizona has lousy Amtrak service, so it doesn't amount to much influence on traffic over there) is one thing, but if he goes to the White House and does it, he's bound to draw a lot more criticism from the nation as a whole. Amtrak is NOT a Pork Barrel project; it is essential to many states and draws customers to tourist destinations in most of the Lower 48. 204.52.215.107 18:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hey, Turkey, there is something out there that we have called the "First Amendment". You guys might want to consider adopting it. It would make life a bit less annoying in your country. 204.52.215.107 18:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Shhhhhh! We're trying to phase the Constitution out! Quit drawing attention to it! -161.88.255.240 22:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"Hey, Turkey, there is something out there that we have called the "First Amendment". You guys might want to consider adopting it." Actually we have that too but that doesnt stop the goverment from takıng our rıghts away whenever ıt ıs ınconvenıent for them :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.108.31.161 (talk) 08:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Such things are only as good as the courts that enforce it. Every country has courts that make questionable decisions that take time to get reversed by higher courts. 68.39.174.238 22:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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Just shows how the Genes#it locomotives are unsafe. Amtrak should have stuck with the F40PH like VIA did

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Wikinews Shorts: January 20, 2008

Suharto shows 'amazing signs of recovery'
Former Indonesian president Suharto, 86, is now moving and speaking softly, doctors say. He was admitted to Pertamina Hospital in Jakarta on January 4 after suffering multiple organ failure.

"He is fully conscious, he can follow instructions and answer our questions in a weak voice," Dr. Jusuf Misbach said. "He scratched himself and raised his hands. It's an amazing accomplishment."

Mardjo Soebiandono said that Suharto would be given physiotherapy, but he also stated that his condition is still considered critical.

According to doctors, Suharto's blood pressure is now stable, his heart and lungs are functioning better, and infections are being treated with antibiotics.

Preparations for a state funeral had begun last week when Suharto developed pneumnonia and sepsis. He was given only a 50:50 chance of survival.

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Zimbabwe, Zambia suffer widespread power outages
Major power outages in Zimbabwe and Zambia left many without services such as electricity, water, and mobile phone connections for much of Saturday and Sunday.

The blackout reportedly hit the two nations almost simultaneously on Saturday evening. In Zambia, the power was restored eight hours later, but residents of Zimbabwe had to wait until Sunday afternoon for power.

Officials in Harare said the cause of the blackout was a fault that "tripped" the power grid, while some in Zambia blamed "turbine problems" at one of the country's hydroelectric dams.

40% of Zimbabwe's power is imported from neighboring countries like South Africa. As the power situation in South Africa has also been worsening, state utility company Eskom announced it will stop supplying power to Zimbabwe and other countries in order to meet domestic needs.

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Francis Joyon sails world in 57 days, breaks record
Francis Joyon of France completed his maritime journey around the globe in a 57 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 6 seconds, breaking Ellen MacArthur's record by 2 weeks. He sailed the world's oceans in a trimaran of his own making.

The journey began November 23 in the port of Brest. Joyon then sailed under the tip of Africa and across the Southern Hemisphere before making his way back to France.

MacArthur was there to greet him when he landed on shore. "I'm really happy for him, proud of him," she said. "He was very fast, he played really well, and he really deserves this record." MacArthur had previously beaten Joyon's record in 2005.

"The speed part, the sailing passion part, that's extraordinary. But what is the strongest of all is having precious moments when you can be in harmony with the planet, with the elements. That is what will stay with me," Joyon said.

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Obituaries: January 21, 2008

January 21, 2008

The following deaths were reported over the weekend:

[[Image:Flag of France.svg|border|35px]] Louis de Cazenave, French WWI veteran, 110
France lost one of its last surviving World War I veterans on Sunday with the death of Louis de Cazenave. Born in 1897, de Cazenave was part of the fifth Senegalese battalion, actively serving from December 1916 until the following September, including the ill-fated Second Battle of the Aisne.

Lazare Ponticelli has become the last known surviving WW I veteran from France.

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[[Image:Flag of Italy.svg|border|35px]] Duilio Loi, Italian boxer, 78
Duilio Loi, who won World Boxing Association junior welterweight championships in the early 1960s, died at Treviso, Italy on Saturday. He had sustained Alzheimer's disease in recent years.

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[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|35px]] James LeVoy Sorenson, American medical inventor, 86
James LeVoy Sorenson, a Utah-based philanthropist and medical inventor, died of cancer on Sunday. His estimated $4.5 billion wealth was believed to be the highest in that American state. His inventions included one of the earliest computer-automated heart monitoring devices. His charitable work included the establishment of the Sorensen Legacy Foundation which supported a variety of educational, religious and medical places and programs.

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[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|35px]] Frances Lewine, American journalist, 86
American journalist Frances Lewine, who served as White House Correspondent for the Associated Press, died Saturday due to a suspected stroke. She was with AP from 1956 until 1977, and became an editor and producer for CNN during its earliest years.

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[[Image:Flag of Belize.svg|border|35px]] Andy Palacio, Belizean musician, 47
Andy Palacio, a musician who sung in the Garifuna language, died in Belize City Saturday following heart failure and stroke. With his band, The Garifuna Collective, the UNESCO Artist for Peace promoted the Garifuna culture and language internationally.

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[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|35px]] Suzanne Pleshette, American actress, 70
Suzanne Pleshette, known for her regular role on The Bob Newhart Show and in the Alfred Hitchcock film The Birds, died Saturday of respiratory failure in Los Angeles. In 2006, she was treated for lung cancer.

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[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|35px]] Eugene Sawyer, Chicago Mayor, 73
Eugene Sawyer, who served as Mayor of Chicago from 1987 to 1989, died Saturday after suffering numerous strokes in recent days.

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[[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|35px]] John Stewart, Kingston Trio musician, 68
Musician John Stewart, part of The Kingston Trio and author of The Monkees hit song "Daydream Believer", died Saturday following an apparent major stroke on Thursday.

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[[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|border|35px]] Don Wittman, Canadian sports broadcaster, 71
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New England Patriots defeat San Diego Chargers 21-12

January 20, 2008

The New England Patriots are 18-0. They will be heading for Glendale, Arizona, the site of Super Bowl 42. Randy Moss only had one catch for a 18 yard gain. LaDainian Tomlinson was mostly on the sideline watching the San Diego Chargers get beaten by the New England Patriots. San Diego did not have a single touchdown.


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Comments:Professional wrestler Chris Benoit and family found dead

The Georgia authorities lied. I figured it out. I saw Chris Benoit and his family's killers

Terrible, terrible news. Awaiting more details, but this could potentially get much worse over the next few days. Rest in peace... RhYnoECfnW 01:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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WWE unusually provided a 3 hour long tribute that was not even properly conducted by the company. This is probably the most the disgusting thing i had to witness with my eyes and ears. A man died for God's sake!! should'nt he have been deserved a sympathetic tribute? a tribute show just like the one Eddie Guerrero had?? what kind of a lowdown,heinous company is this anyway??? i detest everything the WWE has failed to do for Chris Benoit. Instead, they just put on a cheap video from benoit's Hard Knock's dvd and ran it into the air like a pathetic home video consisting a load of dum videos and dishonest condolensces. This is outrageous! at least you could've given this man the respective memorial he deserved. I dont care the least bit if benoit murdered his wife and son and then hanging himself, he was my favourite wrestler out of all the wwe superstars and the only wrestler who who instilled good faith and confidence in me and inspired me to always do your best and give a hundred-percent in everything no matter what. Now i dont make you all seem that i'm in love with him but im saying all this because i respected more than any ordinary fan would and thats the truth and as for WWE i sincerely regret to ever watch your show and now i clean my eyes with soap. But listen, i am not finished just yet, the power to make the decisions are yours you already erased a dead man's memory from your respective "WWE FAMILY" and also to worsen his desecrate his memory more you couldn't even put together a decent remembering tribute to Benoit's soul. But i guess its always about the publicity is'nt it? a man who killed & suicided does'nt really fit well with the fans you think just because a person who murdered and died in his own hands fans will start dispersing away from your precious buisness well get real you thick heads!! we do care, we care what happened to Benoit and his family and if you ever want redeem his memory which can still be done if u make a quick decision then i suggest that you induct him into the WWE HALL OF FAME just to keep his name alive and that his accomplishments can be well-read and respected in the future. Better get started now. WWE seems awfully quick to get a 3-hour tribute on the air. Was it prepared in advance? --SVTCobra 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know...I am not even sure this is real. The WWE is known for stunts like this and it has been a Failing Company for years. This will definitely get more viewers. Although no matter how much I think it may be a hoax, the sources say otherwise. DragonFire1024 01:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * LIVE TV now on FOX News: This is indeed true. DragonFire1024 02:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, what I was trying to insinuate was that the WWE knew ahead of time. Not that Benoit wasn't killed. --SVTCobra 02:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it'd be pretty easy to get it all ready, being that a lot of the stuff is being taken from the DVD they released a couple of years back, plus just live thoughts from various people.RhYnoECfnW 02:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * the reason WWE already had a 3hr show planned was because they were going to pay tribute to mr. mcmahon's "death"
 * this really happened.--69.214.113.137 07:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

IT SHAMEFULL AND NEGLIGENT THAT A WORLD FAMOUS SHOW "WWE" BROADCAST TO "TRIBUTE" TO DOUBLE MURDERER, NOT TO MENTION HE MURDERED HIS OWN FAMILY AND EVEN HIS 7 YEAR OLD SON.
 * - at the time the tribute was aired it was not yet suspected to be a murder-suicide by the WWE but a murder. The 3 hour tribute has since been removed from air.

 * World famous? WWE is a pile of steaming <multiple expletives deleted>. It's more fake than Paula Yate's breasts. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I personally do not believe that Chris Benoit was emotionally capable of such a horiffic task as killing his wife and his 7 year old son.... They were everything to him the whole reason he kept wrestling at the age of 40 when most guys have already retired... REST IN PEACE CHRIS BENIOT WE WILL MISS YOU.....

Doesn't sound like Chris!!!!!!!
The news of losing Chris Benoit & his family came as a HUGE shock,but not as huge as hearing he killed them & then took his own life! For the life of me I cannot figure out why more people do not believe Chris has been set up!This was a man who loved his family more then anything else in life even his career! Who's to say that someone (even close to them a driver or something) didn't do this for some awful reason & wait for days to hang Chris only to make it look as though he snapped! If I am wrong & Chris the man we all loved did in fact take 3 lives that day then God forgive me for feeling so sorry for him & his family & friends who have had to endure him being "drug through the mud!" If I am right though & it was a set up & he did not kill anyone including himself then may God forgive all of you who have been so quick to speak & judge! When it comes down to it though I will always remember Chris for the talented,hard working,dedicated,loving & caring man he was! May God be with both families & friends who are hurting & left with so many questions! As for Chris we may never know what took place that terrible weekend,but God does & Chris if you did fall apart & do this may God forgive you! May we all pray for justice,truth & peace for the loved ones involved! As for the WWE things got out of hand on there years ago & the men & women in the business are the ones that pay the price for it week in & week out! Vince should feel like a real *sshole! To think they faked his death for more money (like he doesn't have enough) & then we lose Benoit & his family! Boy,Vince already looked like a complete fool,but after having to show his face Monday night he looked like a HUGE F****** *SSHOLE! Does he have any shame at all? It would appear not! Rest in peace Benoit family! You will be sadly missed,but NEVER forgotten! = Chris Benoit kicked out of the Hall of Fame =

I hate what the WWE has done to the memory of Chris Benoit they no longer metion him or anything and they eve through him out of the Hall of Fame! That really pissed me and my sister off, I ould care less how he died (though god rest his soul) It matters to me how he lived he was a great man and a an awsome wrestler that I looked up to. And though some idiot out there will disagree say 'Oh but he killed his family and he took drugs' Yeah well I don't care he was a great man and he loved his family and I don't buy his soo called homicide/suicide thing, they only assumed it because they examined the brain in which doesnt give me much of a reson to blame him it only proves that Benoit was suffering. NOw WWE I really am disappointed not only to your trubite,you no longer metioning his name but also because you kicked a very hard working man that was a hero to the fans out of your so called Hall of Fame...

The Georgia authorities lied. I figured it out. I saw Chris Benoit and his family's killers

Comments from feedback form - "it was an shockig+interesting ..."
it was an shockig+interesting article —59.177.0.164 (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "I have to say I really didn't ..."
I have to say I really didn't like the article.UP there were I have to rate the story it would all be pore if I wouldn't of lied.I would say who ever wrote the story would give more detail on why Chris did this.And the paragraph is old there not still on investigation there done and over with the story now.And there is some people out there who don't even know what asphyxiation means.If I were you I would yous parentheses and tell what the word means.And why would this be on TMZ.com this is HORRIBLE,not something the people can joke about.Oh Chris Benoit killed both of his family members then hung himself hahahaha lol.NO NOT FUNNY AT ALL. All i am saying is you need a lot of improvement on www.Wikipedia.org.My name is A     y and this is what i think of Wikipedia.org. —66.61.34.81 (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

 * 1) Wikinews is not Wikipedia
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Comments from feedback form - "cool"
cool —169.142.1.1 (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "that sad that he died but hes ..."
that sad that he died but hes up there —169.142.1.1 (talk) 16:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "to bad he is gon because he wa..."
to bad he is gon because he was the coolest —169.142.1.1 (talk) 16:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "hi cris bod news very very fan..."
hi cris bod news very very fan of u —203.126.136.142 (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "I do blame wwe for some of thi..."
I do blame wwe for some of this because they allow there wrestlers to use steroids. I think there should be a law about all steroid use unless its for medical reasons. I do think Eddie gerero  and chris benoit would be alive with chris benoit son and wife if there was a law. I think all wrestlers should have a drug test done every month as well. I dont agree with what chris benoit did to his family. But like I said if there was a law about it we would have 2 great wrestlers still. —24.22.100.253 (talk) 04:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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It is such a shame that Benoit did that to a poor little boy a helpless child and what he did to his wife is a shame too. —108.3.78.63 (talk) 05:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Terrible
Its terrible that the WWE refuses to acknowledge that benoit is always was a competitor...The whole double murder suicide was something terrible but that should not change our perception of him as he had to face his many demons...I hope the WWE will see the error of their ways and at least include him in the hall of fame —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 175.143.217.128 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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not a lot info —2.220.4.15 (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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I think this act is a most coward in the sense of free community views

—Nirvanatoday 08:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Responsibilty cannot be attributed to the same group.
While the attacks are occurring at the same time as the other ones, it's extremely irresponsible to state that the attacks are related without evidence. I have added this to the main news article, as right now it is written as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.236.56 (talk) 12:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

This article is total disinformation
Anon is obviously not responsible for this attack. Is it an attempt from the Co$ to discredit Anonymous ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.211.20 (talk) 12:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous
We (being the "Hackers" as you say we are) did not do this.

As of right now we believe that it was a counter attack done by the Scientologists to discredit us.

The person responsible for said article was http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:DragonFire1024 However any proof has yet to reach us.

You will be updated.

Thank you.

We are Anonymous. We do not Forgive, We do not Forget. for we are legion.

Drop the drama
The page is listed for deletion, no more comments needed - they'll vanish with it. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Not anon. Fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.198.222.230 (talk) 15:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


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WN:YOURPHOTO points here, if you're doing any interviews where you're not taking pictures ask for them. Remember we need to get a license sorted out and the Commons OTRS people should help out once the photo is mailed. This is a page you can give a http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:YOURPHOTO link to or, as it says, simple instructions to get to this page.

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I've got the two I could think of featured on this - mainly because the use of pictures on the page should help encourage submissions. Suggestions on how to lay out that section of the page welcome, as well as any others where the subject has given a photo. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

How does it work in practice?
I have sent an e-mail to a subject of a Wikinews article, asking them to e-mail and release under CC-BY-SA-3.0 images to photosubmissionwikimedia.org.

But what happens next? I asked them to CC me if and when they send the e-mail. I presume that someone at the photosubmission address will upload it to Commons with an OTRS ticket, but how will I know when that happens? And how will I know what the file name is so I can include it in the article? Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Widening rift between Islam, West: Gallup poll

January 21, 2008

A poll of people in twenty-one Western and Muslim countries, surveyed by Gallup for World Economic Forum, suggests that most people believe there are widening divisions between the Islamic and the Western world.

The survey also finds that increased interaction with the Muslim world is perceived as a threat by 60% of many European countries, but not so in Israel or America. This belief is strongest among respondents from Denmark. Additionally, the report found that in Muslim and non-Muslim majority nations, there tends to be a wide-spread belief that the "other side" is not committed to improving relations.


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Israeli spy satellite launched by Indian rocket

January 21, 2008

Israel has today launched an advanced spy satellite, named TecSAR, into orbit on board India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. The PSLV successfully launched from Satish Dhawan Space Centre at 3:45 a.m. GMT today, with a successful cast off from the launch rocket at around 4:05 a.m. GMT. Israel Aerospace Industries report that the first signals were received 80 minutes after the launch, present at which were both Israeli and Indian space engineers.

The launch was delayed several times for unclear reasons. At one point, it was rumoured that the launch had been cancelled completely due to pressure from the US Government. Indian and Israeli authorities denied this, however, citing technical problems instead.

The satellite, also referred to as Polaris, is equipped with the latest in spy technology, including Synthetic aperture radar, which can be used to provide details information on ground cover. The BBC also reports "enhanced footage technology" - which allows Israel to receive video and images at any time of day or night, and under any weather conditions. Israeli defence officials have said that the satellites main purpose is to track events in Iran, the countries' number one foe. The events that they wish to track include the Iranian nuclear programme, as well as military happenings in Iran and Syria.

The satellite is capable of a maximum resolution of 10 centimetres, of which the first images wil be available in "a few weeks." Development of the satellite has been quoted as "tens of millions of dollars" - and India is benefiting from a major boost in the commercialisation of the countries' 45-year-old space program - which hopes to compete with the US, Russia, China, the Ukraine and the European Space Agency in the satellite launch service field.


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Nikolić wins first round of Serbian presidential election

January 21, 2008

Tomislav Nikolić has won the first round of the Serbian presidential election with nearly 40% of the vote, according to election officials. Incumbent Boris Tadić came in second with 35% of the votes. The two will face each other in a runoff election on February 3.

Coming in third was Velimir Ilić with about 7%, followed by Milutin Mrkonjić with about 6%.

Tadic, a member of the Democratic Party, has pro-Western attitudes and supports Serbian membership in the European Union. Nikolić, leader of the Serbian Radical Party, supports closer ties with Russia, Serbia's historical ally. Both candidates are against Kosovan independence, which has been a major issue in the election.

"One thing is certain: This will be the tightest election ever in Serbia and the winner won't be known until the last second," said Marko Blagojevic of Belgrade's Centre for Free Elections and Democracy, a vote monitoring group.

There was a record 61% voter turnout in the first round of the election.

Results
According to the Republican Electoral Commission, after 98.68% votes counted:
 * Tomislav Nikolić - 39.96%
 * Boris Tadić - 35.41%
 * Velimir Ilić - 7.41%
 * Milutin Mrkonjić - 5.97%
 * Čedomir Jovanović - 5.35%
 * Ištvan Pastor - 2.27%
 * Milanka Karić - 0.98%
 * Marijan Rističević - 0.46%
 * Jugoslav Dobričanin - 0.29%


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Martin Luther King day commemorated by US citizens

January 21, 2008

Today is Martin Luther King day in the USA. The day has been commemorated by many people including US president George Bush. In a visit to the Martin Luther King Memorial Library, Mr Bush said that he believed "Martin Luther King is a towering figure in the history [of the USA]." Barack Obama also marked the event by delivering a speech from the church which is seen by many to be the place where King became a prominent figure in the politics of the US.

New York
An event in New York was organized that involved attempting to get thousand citizens to perform activities that were intended to help the community. Hanako Ikeno, who helped co-ordinate the event said that this event was organized because she believed "that the message of Dr. King was that everyone can be great because everyone can serve."

George Bush
President George W. Bush attended the Martin Luther King Memorial Library and gave a speech to mark the event. Bush said that "Martin Luther King Day means two things to me. One is the opportunity to renew our deep desire for America to be a land of promise for everybody, a land of justice, and a land of opportunity. It's also an opportunity to serve our fellow citizens."

Later in the speech Bush continued, "Martin Luther King is a towering figure in the history of our country. And it is fitting that we honor his service and his courage and his vision. And today we're witnessing people doing just that by volunteering their time."

US Democratic party presidential candidates
Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton and John Edwards took part in a rally to commemorate Martin Luther King day.

In the event Hilary Clinton asked the crowd to "Let us just take a moment to marvel at the progress we have made together." After saying that she added "But the work is far from finished, the dream is not fulfilled." The use of the word dream was widely interpreted as reference to Martin Luther King.

Obama added to Clinton's speech by saying "It's not always easy to see past our differences, every day our politics fuels and explores these kinds of divisions."

John Edwards said that "All three of us [Democratic presidential candidates] are on the journey with you on the march to justice and equality."

US Republican party presidential candidates
Mike Huckabee made a speech from a church that was near the former home of Martin Luther King.

Mitt Romney also discussed Martin Luther King and civil rights. In his speech he stated that he believed "the great civil rights issue of our time, is making sure our inner-city schools are up to the task." He added that he believed inner-city schools fail in "too many ways."


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I wonder if the mass media, politicians and owner of big business with an agenda have any reason for these 'perceptions' or 'study findings'.

From where I am sitting the mass media simply looks like a Propaganda wing of the Nazis. A search for Edward Bernays and what he had to say kind of confirms it.

Typically this news item is highly selective and keeps the news within a narrow parameter of 'acceptable discussion'. It omits many things, keeps many presuppositions and neglects to mention the mass media as a Propaganda tool (this is simply not mentioned as if it is impossible and if ignored hopefully no one else will think about it). It sounds as if lots of people do not think critically about it, and those that do are a minority and not a threat. But I think it is alittle more complicated than that.

 * Well, I think BBC's article is somewhat misleading considering the content of the report from WEC. But yes, that is to be expected when the mass media wants to control the debate, rather than merely report on the debate. I haven't read the entire report yet, but so far the BBC article looks rather sensationalist. Dylansmrjones 18:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


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World stocks plunge on fears on US recession

January 21, 2008 Stock prices dropped sharply in Europe and Asia Monday, with fears of economic problems in the United States causing some of the biggest single-day losses in recent years.

In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng index fell 5.5 percent - its biggest fall since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Losses of between three and seven percent were recorded in India, China, Britain, France, Germany and Canada.

While there are many factors linking national economies, analysts blame recent losses on fears of a recession in the United States.

The United States is the main export market for many overseas businesses. Foreign investors also have bought large stakes in U.S. companies.

When American home loan companies began reporting large numbers of defaulting loans in late 2007, the losses spread to other financial institutions, tightening credit markets and sparking worries about Americans' high levels of debt.

Last week, President Bush proposed a $145 billion stimulus plan to encourage more consumer spending. But analysts say the measure may not be able to prevent a recession - defined as a broad decline in a nation's economy over a period of at least six months.

U.S. markets are closed on Monday for Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a national holiday, but stock futures trading indicates further losses are expected when markets reopen Tuesday.


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Talk:World stocks plunge on fears on US recession

The VOA article this was based on says "Some information for this report was provided by AFP, AP and Reuters." This means it is not PD as it is based on non PD articles --User:Anonymous101 Talk 19:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * VOA published in PD. They use sources just like us, but rewrite the AP etc. So they don't copy and paster AP material. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry --User:Anonymous101 Talk 19:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is original to VOA and thus PD. Please check again and see and you can see it does not contain their tags for AFP, AP and Reuters, at the end (which is where they put them when it applies). --SVTCobra 02:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Widening rift between Islam, West: Gallup poll

How about "Widening rift between Islam, West: poll", or something to that effect? After all, that's what the news is actually about, a poll, not about any widening rift which may or may not be there. 89.27.19.182 19:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 21 people is not a ligit poll. Not news. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a poll of people in 21 countries, not a poll of 21 people. --24.16.156.223 19:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed...I mis read that. Sorry. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


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