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Please add
Editprotected Please add interwiki -> es:Wikinoticias:Redes sociales --MadriCR (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Editprotected Please, fix link Google Buzz Logo.png to Google Buzz logo.png.--Sevela.p (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Brian McNeil / talk 09:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Jumping on stupid new bandwagons
Why the   was Google Buzz added to this?

It is not an established social networking tool, and there is no clear evidence it will be come such. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm, I dunno why. But who knows? -- Mike moral  ♪♫  00:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because we have an account on google buzz I assume, We're listing all the places we are spamming news to, buzz is one of them. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Well if you spamming is your attention why not add Google+ as well ;-)?

Wikinews facebook page

 * Is this Wikinews facebook page linked to this site, and should it be updating. Mrchris (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot access Facebook at work due to the websense filtering. Any/all sites on FB are managed by Shaka. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be, but no one has any idea how to actually make facebook work. It is the anti-work. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 20:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, if DF still has access, remove it. Completely. If I see another "BREAKING!!1!!!" that links to someone else's coverage I will arrange for an Eighteen-wheeler to argue with his pushbike. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 20:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Volunteers
I notice that sometimes the WN twitter account isn't manned. Would it be helpful if I volunteered? --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Facebook
Hello all, I have noticed that Wikinews on Facebook has not been updating and from the looks of it there are people who appreciate the updates. If the script is not working I would be happy to volunteer to manually update it. Regards, Bobby122   Contact Me   (C)  01:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * These are all, by and large, supposed to be near-fully-automated. A fair bit of development work is needed to resolve the whole 'push' social media thing, starting with a list of who can access what. There's been disputes in the past, including people given grief over abuse of access, pushing ZOMG! "".
 * I'm pretty despondent about toolserver reliability, and the skill levels of available coders. But, I've over 20 years in IT; I expect three nines, minimum.
 * Offer noted, and appreciated. But, review past water cooler discussion; everyone runs away when doing things properly is suggested. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

New interwiki
Hi, please add [[fa:ویکی‌خبر:شبکه‌های اجتماعی ]] interwiki to this page, thanks  Mjbmr  Talk 18:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Diego Grez return fire 18:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) Mjbmr  Talk 18:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Remove Buzz
Seeing as Google Buzz no longer exists, shouldn't this be removed, or switched to Google+? Jmajeremy (talk) 06:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Twitter
Could someone update the twitter links --J36miles (talk) 01:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * @en_wikinews to @wikinews
 * Wikinewsies to Wikinewsies

 * ✅ —Tom Morris (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Twitter-Feed
How do you run the twitter feed? Do you have scripts or is it uptated manually? We had a feed run automatically on de.wn, but the user, who operated it, is no longer active. --SonicR (talk) 10:28, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * My understanding is it is automatically imported from the RSS feed for published articles. In this case, this feed. --LauraHale (talk) 10:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Do you know which users are responible for these technical issues?--SonicR (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps User:ShakataGaNai? There's a long-archived thread about it here.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

APP.NET
Mind if I make an APP.NET account? JopV (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Twitter handle?
There is no update on twitter.com/wikinews for more than seven weeks and the last tweet is about Wikinews attends ComiCon in Tyler, Texas. Is the handle still active? Agastya Chandrakant  ⚽ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰  18:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Facebook page
I am pretty sure the automation is not working properly since some of the articles are never shared on the page (for example, Galapagos island article.) •–• 06:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no automation; hasn't been for years, afaik. They have to be posted on fb by hand, or they won't get posted there.  I got my facebook account specifically, and only, for the purpose of performing that operation each time I published an article, and facebook took away my account because I did't wish to voluntarily disavow my privacy by giving them my phone number.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * One of the page admins mentioned the posting was "scheduled". There must be some sort of automation for that. •–• 14:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that's something provided by facebook, though I'm not certain. I.e., one tells facebook to post something at a certain time in the future.  Which is different from having automation produce the order-to-post.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

List of Wikinewsies
The List of Wikinewsies link no longer works

www.twitter.com/wikinews/wikinewsies should be www.twitter.com/wikinews/lists/wikinewsies

Twitter
Since 2017, Twitter has a character limit of 280, not 140. --JJLiu112 (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Issues
Both the Twitter and Facebook pages have not updated recently. Any reason? Also, but much less urgently, should probably update logos on the front page. --JJLiu112 (talk) 05:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

 * @JJLiu112: Ten months later, the issue has yet to be resolved. As the Twitter account managers are @TUFKAAP, @DragonFire1024 and @ShakataGaNai, who have not edited since 2021, 2015, and January 2022, respectively, this makes sense. In January, ShakataGaNai |found that the Twitter feed was repeating its posts of the same two articles, but that problem appears to have been fixed.
 * The last Twitter post was on February 10, 2022, and the Facebook account appears to not even exist. Heavy Water (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

inappropriate content
A link to a porn site was presented in facebook stories. Who controls the wikinews facebook profile? Admins need to change passwords. Marek Mazurkiewicz (talk) 08:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Marek Mazurkiewicz: Thanks for flagging this. One of the account's admins is on it. It appears someone got hacked. Heavy Water (talk) 13:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Aren't You able to tak this video down? Or do You need a link to it? Piastu (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is now new one… Piastu (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind, read link, Piastu (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Facebook page spam
https://www.facebook.com/wikinews now posts spam in its Stories. Do we know who controls it? I have tried poking people in the Wikinewsie Telegram group before, but I had no response from anyone. --Base (talk) 15:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Base: Please see the above thread and the link I included there. I don't have any more information than what's in there. Heavy Water (talk) 16:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I missed the topic. Thanks, good to know that WMF was already notified about it. --Base (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Where is the spam? The posts look like normal news stories. 105.27.197.66 (talk) 20:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's all I've ever seen in the feed, too. But multiple people have corroborated this over the past week. Heavy Water (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can login and post as Wikinews on Facebook. I need someone to clearly describe to me what the problem is, as, alart from the last post being in 2022 rather than this year, I do not see what is wrong there; I am not that good at understanding what it is that Facebook is trying to show. Gryllida (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * apart
 * Gryllida (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can? Interesting. As Zanimum, who suspected a hack, described, the problem is posts linking to . Heavy Water (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Gryllida: My name is Lucas Pasqual, I am a Wikimedia Foundation staff member. The inappropriate posts have been published as Stories, not on feed. As I write this message, two of them can be seen once you click on the page's profile picture. Please check if you still have admin access to the page; if so, please delete the posts. It would be interesting to check who else has access to the page and can publish, so we figure out which is the compromised account and remove their access to the page. Let me know if I can help you with this, please. Thank you! LPasqual (WMF) (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi LPasqual Please see my reply below, I may be lacking access. Happy to go to an audio call with screen sharing to confirm this and if indeed the case then the WMF may need to force Facebook to adjust the account access. Gryllida (talk) 02:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record I don't see 'Stories' button in Facebook. Gryllida (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Was able to find 'stories' under but not able to delete. Gryllida (talk) 05:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Gryllida + @Chaddy, @Heavy Water, @Zanimum: Since we are unable to find someone who has full admin access to the Facebook page, the Legal team at the Wikimedia Foundation is submitting a complaint about this issue to Meta. We are also looking for other ways to contact them directly to get a reply faster. We will keep you updated on this as soon as we know more. In the meantime, please report any new problematic Stories you see (instructions here). Thank you! LPasqual (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi LPasqual Thank you, hope it becomes resolved quickly. As mentioned before it would be great to keep the page and only adjust the access. I am assuming that most of its followers base is legitimate and has an interest in news from Wikinews. Could you please ensure that the legal team, and Meta, are aware of this concern? Gryllida (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @LPasqual I am a bureaucrat here.... any response from Meta? Anyway the entire FB i.d./account can just be deleted?--Bddpaux (talk) 18:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

This problem lasts for a longer while now (not just some days, rather at least 10 days or so). I completely understand that we all are volunteers and that it can take some time to fix problems. But this one here is not a little negligibility. The official Wikinews Facebook page is repeatedly posting porn spam stories. That is an urgent problem and should be fixed as soon as possible... Chaddy (talk) 02:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 * @Zanimum, Gryllida: Looks like the problem continues, there's still pornographic stuff being shared to stories. —chaetodipus (talk · contribs) 04:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I now have reported the page to Facebook. Maybe they care more about it than the page administrators. Chaddy (talk) 13:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Facebook is obviously already aware of the situation. The lack of an immediate resolution doesn't prove your absurd implication Zanimum, the other page admins, and the WMF don't care about this situation — especially relative to Facebook. Heavy Water (talk) 17:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 * This issue was first reported here almost two weeks ago (August the 9th). It took until August the 17th that one of the page admins (Gryllida) worte anything here (to be fair, Zanimum - also an FB admin as it seems - opened a thread in the linked water cooler discussion also on August the 9th). But Gryllida didn't know anything about the problem. Therefore obviously eight days long no one thought it would be important to brief the other Facebook page admins. Gryllida then was informed about the problem and asked by LPasqual (WMF) if he/she could access the admin tools and if so if he/she could check which one is the compromised account. But now again four days passed by and still nothing happened while there are still porn spam stories posted. So please don't tell me there is taken much care about this problem here. I know, Wikinews is quite dead, but not being able to respond to such an urgent issue for such a long time is embarrassing. Chaddy (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I needed a description of the issue then I can resolve it. I wonder why these spammy/pornographic messages didn't show when I checked briefly.
 * Sorry, I didn't read it earlier, I'm on the computer for a few hours every day. The wiki messages are not read as I don't visit the wiki every day. Email and IRC (nick 'gry') are read more promptly.
 * I'd like to view who posts the offending content, and remove access. I tried to do it and came to which says "only users with full control can manage and view who has access to the Wikinews Facebook page".
 * If here is someone with more in-depth knowledge of how Facebook works to confirm that I'm looking in the correct place, I'd be happy to check, maybe I am not navigating the site correctly.
 * Otherwise, looks like I probably do not have sufficient access to remove the spammer's access, and someone else needs to ask Facebook to resolve this. Gryllida (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Okay, if no one of the page admins has the correct access rights to solve this problem, then maybe it would be best, if the Wikimedia Foundation contacts Facebook (ping at LPasqual). An official organisation should be heard much faster than if a volunteer would try to contact Facebook (most time, Facebook ignores such attempts or just responds semi-automatically which isn't helpful at all). Chaddy (talk) 13:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Looks like the problem continues, there's still pornographic stuff being shared to stories :( Marek Mazurkiewicz (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I've messaged LPasqual on-wiki
 * "At Wikinews_talk:Social_media looks like access is lacking, and we'd like to regain access to the Wikinews page at Facebook.
 * Please do not delete it, it has existing (hopefully reasonable) followers.
 * Perhaps you can limit access to only yourself (then the spam will stop).
 * And then provide access to interested volunteers as by consensus on-wiki."
 * Is there some software that we can run to post new stories to Facebook? The last news story there is from over a few months ago, I would be willing to set it up if needed (or write if it does not exist).
 * Do we need to start a vote on who will administer the Facebook page?
 * Many thanks. Gryllida (talk) 04:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Gryllida, it's been done manually for a time (see above). Heavy Water (talk) 05:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this is helpful information, I appreciate it. Gryllida (talk) 09:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Spam needs to be stopped now. This discredits Wikinews. Then we can think about who will be the administrator. Marek Mazurkiewicz (talk) 20:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * +1 This continues for a whole month now! I can't believe that... Chaddy (talk) 15:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Marek Mazurkiewicz, Chaddy: It's in the hands of the WMF and Meta. From the comments on the Indian flooding story, clearly this has indeed damaged Wikinews' reputation. Heavy Water (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@LPasqual (WMF) and others: This issue is still not solved. Why does it take such a long time? Chaddy (talk) 04:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. This is demoralizing. More evidence that we only really have a shell of infrastructure around here. I am pondering carefully my future with this project and this mess is a part of that.--Bddpaux (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, everyone. We have reported the Facebook page to Meta. As this process usually takes some time, we are trying to reach out to the company directly through other channels, but haven't had any success so far. We understand this issue has been going on for some time, and we appreciate your patience and cooperation while we try to help find a solution. We will let you know as soon as we have news. In the meantime, please keep reporting the Stories from your own accounts. Thank you. LPasqual (WMF) (talk) 22:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

There is still no solution for this problem... Chaddy (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it is time to use some other platform, not the Facebook, as centralization is not helpful
 * Could sign up at some Mastodon instance, tell me which instance you like please. http://joinmastodon.org
 * Could also come to Lemmy, https://join-lemmy.org/
 * We can post text on-wiki on some page e.g. User:Gryllida/posts ensure we put one line there at a time and wait. A computer program (a bot) could monitor it every one minute, and post any lines from it to Mastodon and Lemmy, then delete from the wiki page to indicate that it has successfully been posted to Mastodon. I would happily volunteer to write such a bot.
 * Also when the new place is created I would be happy to post to our official Wikinews Facebook and link to it there. Gryllida (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Awaiting your confirmation which instance for Mastodon and which instance for Lemmy, then I will proceed with writing the software for the posting. It will be hopefully possible to host it at toolforge and provide shared access to several interested contributors. The software if successful could probably also be reused by other language editions of Wikinews. Gryllida (talk) 22:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Base, Heavy Water, LPasqual (WMF), @Chaddy, @Heavy Water, @Zanimum: chaetodipus , Marek Mazurkiewicz Gryllida (talk) 22:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with your idea. Sounds good. :) Mastodon is more well-known, I think.
 * But the Facebook page will still exist, I guess? And thus also the spam will proceed, I guess, because we obviously have no possibility to stop it? Chaddy (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I think facebook could continue to exist (and I can also setup the bot/script to post there from the wiki also) Gryllida (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I also don't have a problem with setting up Mastodon, I have no opinion wrt the exact instance, I would appreciate having access to the tool if it gets written so that I could potentially use it for ukwn in the future. But as to Facebook, I don't think we want to step aside from it altogether, the preferable solution is to reset admin access rather than delete/recreate the page. I wonder why it takes so long for WMF. Aren't both WMF and Meta in SF? Perhaps someone can just walk to the Meta offices or something?.. --Base (talk) 22:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I also would like us to stay on Facebook. And I also still wonder what takes so long to solve this problem. Chaddy (talk) 23:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Can stay on Facebook as well as other places - other places will be hopefully less misused than Facebook Gryllida (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will experiment with script to post to facebook from the wiki, thanks Base and thanks Chaddy Gryllida (talk) 23:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that I would like to know what instance. Wouldn't want to be responsible for picking one at random, as there is question of what county it should be in, which instance to trust, etc. Someone else's insight into this would be greatly appreciated. My program will be the same regardless anyway nomatter which instance. Gryllida (talk) 23:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no clue about those platforms and instances on them. I might be of some help with the coding, depending on what language it would be written in. Heavy Water (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait, if you do still have the ability to post, could you post something acknowledging the hack and saying Wikinews is working on resolving it? Like: "Wikinews is aware this account has been hacked. The nonprofit organization that hosts us, the Wikimedia Foundation, is working with Meta Platforms to resolve this situation. We apologize again for the interruption of service (you might or might not want to add here something like, "caused by the delay in contacting a contributor with access to post to this page") and can be found at www.wikinews.org. Thank you for your patience." And if it's possible, please fix the "Wikimedia Foundati" typo in the "Intro" section. Heavy Water (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Three months now and the issue still is not solved. This is totally embarrassing. Chaddy (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I emailed Gryllida on Saturday about posting an acknowledgement of the hack (see above). I haven't heard back yet. Heavy Water (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Gryllida has said they apparently don't have the ability to post to the Facebook page. :S Heavy Water (talk) 16:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * They totally lost control over the page. But why is there still no solution? Did still no contact between the Foundation und Facebook happen? Chaddy (talk) 17:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

There is still no solution for this problem. I can't believe that. Chaddy (talk) 22:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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No. Not paranoid - I have experience in that department, I know what paranoid is.

And, guess what? I don't have a Gmail account. I continually tell you no when you ask why I don't just hand over wikinewsie.org to Google and bask in the glow of perpetual monitoring, cataloguing, and market analysis by Google. I have good reason to, and the Chinese efforts to hack Google accounts are a very good example why you should engage your brain and try and take control of who knows what about you.

Certainly, the majority of details about my life are in various databases; but that's the point - various databases, owned and operated by different organisations which don't all cooperate. Thowing everything into Google is putting all your eggs in one basket and introducing a single-point-of-failure. If someone wants every single gory detail of my life history I intend for it to be costly and time-consuming for them to get it.

That's not paranoia - it's common sense.


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United States Representative Charlie Wilson dies at 76

February 12, 2010

, a former United States naval officer and twelve-term Representative from the  in Texas, died on Wednesday in Lufkin, Texas. He was 76 with a history of heart ailments, receiving a transplant in 2007.

Memorial Medical Center, Lufkin said the preliminary cause of death was. Jack Gorden Jr., the mayor of Lufkin, confirmed the death.

He was best known for initiating, the largest CIA , which supplied military equipment, anti-aircraft missiles, and paramilitary officers to the during the. His campaign was the subject of the non-fiction book Charlie Wilson's War and the film ''.

U.S. Defense Secretary said Wilson's "efforts and exploits helped repel an invader, liberate a people, and bring the Cold War to a close. [...] After the Soviets left, Charlie kept fighting for the Afghan people and warned against abandoning that traumatized country to its fate — a warning we should have heeded then, and should remember today".

Born in, Texas, Wilson graduated from Trinity High School in 1951. While a student at, he was appointed to the. Between 1956 and 1960, Wilson served in the, attaining the rank of lieutenant. After four years as a surface fleet officer, he was assigned to as part of an intelligence unit that evaluated the 's nuclear capabilities.


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3rd & 5th para from WP article. --Adi4094 (talk) 10:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Material cannot be copied from Wikipedia, the licenses work such that material may be copied from Wikinews to Wikipedia but not the other way round. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ I think so.--Adi4094 (talk) 12:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Someone plz. review
--Adi4094 (talk) 11:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

pov
Maybe i'm imagining things, but seems slightly pov. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wilson's "efforts and exploits helped repel an invader, liberate a people, and bring the Cold War to a close". Could also be written from another prespective as He armed and trained terrorist groups to make life difficult for the soviets. Article should perhaps try to find something in between. (thats just in my humble opinion though). Bawolff ☺☻ 12:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


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"Successor to mp3"; MusicDNA founder interviewed

February 11, 2010 At the end of January, Bach Technology announced their new music file format, MusicDNA, which was developed as an intended replacement for the mp3 format, which has been the dominant format in music since its inception. MusicDNA uses similar compression methods to mp3, but then also adds an xml file which defines other content that can be included. Wikinews reporter Tristan Thomas caught up with Bach Technology CEO Stefan Kohlmeyer to find out more.

Interview
Thank you for agreeing to answer our questions.

Can you briefly explain what MusicDNA is?

We believe that MusicDNA is the successor to the MP3, the MusicDNA media extension enables music fans to access from one application the wide range of music-related content they want alongside the music itself - from lyrics, artwork and tour dates to blog posts, videos and twitter feeds.

In addition to all this extra content, MusicDNA files are also intelligent, and include extensive audio analysis information for each single track. This means that search and recommendation tools or automatic playlist generators will be much more sophisticated and provide much better results.

How long has it been in development and what role has Karlheinz Brandenburg, the man credited with inventing mp3, played in that?

In essence MusicDNA in its current context has been in development since the start of the company in 2007. Bach has an important strategic partnership with Fraunhofer IDMT with its CEO Karlheinz Brandenburg who is an important person for us in all research projects and visionary discussions about the development of the music market.

''' Is this just going to be another consumer hurting format war with iTunes LP? What makes MusicDNA better than iTunes LP?'''

Unlike iTunes LP, MusicDNA files have been built on open standards and are completely platform agnostic, which means that, unlike iTunes LP, you’re not tied to one device or media player. So it’s about the opposite of format wars really. Whilst LP goes some way to adding value to digital music, it is still essentially a static file with some extra content bolted on. MusicDNA not only gives back all the things we lost when we switched to digital formats, lyrics, liner notes, artwork, but crucially it goes beyond that allowing fans to access everything from Twitter feeds and videos through to concert tickets, this will all dynamically update whenever you're online, so music fans always have the latest information to hand. Importantly with MusicDNA you can customise single tracks, you’re not restricted to purchasing complete albums as you are with LP. And because all the additional rich media is integrated into the file (unlike iTunes LP), that content can be easily transferred from one device to another. Mark Mulligan, vice president and research director of industry analysts Forrester Research recently put it well to the UK’s Telegraph newspaper "innovations like the iTunes LP need to go further. People should pay just once to get everything that artist does over the next year in one file that is regularly updated."

'''Is this really what listeners want-more clutter to distract from the music itself? What's wrong with mp3?'''

A lot of people, especially those who grew up buying music on vinyl and CD, miss the packaging, the liner notes, all the things that went hand in hand with albums, so for them that ‘clutter’ is an important part of the experience. We developed MusicDNA based on how people interact with their favourite music and musicians today, so we’re just following the public’s lead in many ways. MusicDNA enables fans to stay constantly connected with the worlds of their favourite artists in a really convenient way. Importantly, MusicDNA files can be customised so that they contain as little or much extra content as the listener wants. You have to remember the MP3 was developed over twenty years ago, think of how much has changed in that time. It has had a profound effect on the music industry, but beyond portability it doesn't actually add anything to the experience, the opposite in fact.

Will MusicDNA be any less susceptible to piracy than other formats?

As only paid for files will dynamically update MusicDNA should be an incentive for people to purchase legitimate files rather than downloading them from p2p networks. Over the last decade a lot of effort has gone into trying to stop piracy through sanctions and enforcement, and, well, the results speak for themselves. We believe in a carrot approach, giving the public what they actually want and a great incentive to go the legit route.

'''Many people argue that music is moving away from being owned and more towards models like Spotify; free, streamed music. Is MusicDNA not too late to the party if this is so?'''

Like many in the industry Bach are of the view that there is no one silver bullet to suit all types of consumer, rather a variety of services will serve different fans with different needs. There are many occasions when a download is preferable to a stream, and MusicDNA files have the advantage of customised, at your fingertips, rich media available on- and offline. And that is before considering the impact of streaming on growing bandwidth and energy requirements.

So when will we start to see MusicDNA and where?

Rollout will be staggered over 2010, with the first beta versions available around Easter and the full commercial rollout expected over summer.

And finally, your favourite artist at the moment to be released on MusicDNA this year?

It's too early to say, but we're in talks with some very exciting artists. I would love to see all my old heroes on MusicDNA, starting with Led Zeppelin and The Clash.

'''Thank you again for your time. Good luck with the launch.'''


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Talk:"Successor to mp3"; MusicDNA founder interviewed

You failed to ask various questions based on the serious problems with MP3. I know OGG has problems - mostly because the people who're developing it have limited resources and hardware manufacturers are reluctant to invest in developing non-software encoders/decoders, but I think in some points it would be better to compare and contrast with OGG. So, don't know if you can go back and ask additional questions – these are just food for thought. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Are there any patents involved in this new format?
 * 2) Would it be possible for major Free-content projects such as archive.org or Wikipedia be able to use this new format without obtaining any license?
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 * Interesting thoughts. It took quite some time to get these answers as it is; but I would imagine the answers to the first two would probably be yes and no, but that is just a random guess.  To be honest as well, I don't think the first two really hold much interest with consumers, our readers.  So no, I don't think I'm going to go back and ask, but scrumptious food for thought none the less! Cheers Brian.     Tris   15:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I know this isn't done yet, but could you perhaps clarify what exactly musicDNA is and how it differs from mp3 as a file format? What i get from this article is it is mp3+extended meta-data. But MP3 already has a very extensive meta-data system. I also get that this meta-data will be internet updated. How exactly does that work? does the file contain a url reference to some sort of standardized meta-data format for the file on the internet? What happens when whomever maintains this internet resource decides to stop. (and arguably can that really be considered part of the file format. Sounds more like mp3+a more info link). Whats so special about it that makes it different from currently available formats? Bawolff ☺☻ 17:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Yuh huh, I'll see what I can do. Thanks Bawolff.     Tris   17:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * OK, I've added a little bit about how it actually works. Yes, as far as I can tell, it is very similar to mp3, with the added bonus that the metadata updates automatically and also, Stefan says that it has audio recognition/pattern thingy in it.  Do you think it needs more?      Tris   17:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, its more clear now. (/me would still consider this technology that already exists, and really nothing special, but thats not really relevant to the article). Bawolff ☺☻ 17:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * OK cool; yes, I'm with you here, but hey, we'll know in time!     Tris   17:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the offer Brian. Out of interest, having just had another read through the comments, the only really tech-savvy comments seem to be coming from you and Bawolff?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for you commenting and welcome it, but you seem twice on this talk page to be ridiculing the interview because it is not "techy" enough for you.  I don't really get it tbh; readers in general are not going to have the background that you have in technology and won't be hung up on whether people have to pay royalties for patents or whether it can be used in free content projects, they just care about whether it will work and whether it'll benefit them.  That is not to say that they are stupid or just eat anything that is given to them, they can still make informed decisions and comments.  However, as I've said above, I don't believe that some questions that you've raised above are particularly interesting for a general audience; yes, interesting for us, but not for everyone.     Tris   20:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me put it another way; a really good way to get any Wikinews article a large readership is through posting it on Slashdot... --Brian McNeil / talk 20:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, that depends. We often report legal issues; doing so properly means the nitty gritty. There's no reason why we can't do that here either. People can ignore questions they don't want the answer to if they really want. That's their lookout. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * OK, I get your point. I was a bit ratty earlier, apologies.  Thanks and I'll keep it in mind for next time.  Regards.     Tris   22:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


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A rat is a rat. Granted, they can think and feel. But, it's food. They were out in the middle of nowhere, and the film crew wasn't giving them any sandwiches. If they feel hungry enough for a rat, let 'em eat a boatful. I can't even imagine how bored or hyper-sensative someone must have been to deem that an act of animal cruelty, much less bring up a lawsuit about it. I think whoever did needs to have a few rats set loose in their house. Maybe after a week, they'd lose their sympathy, ne?


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Indonesian anti-corruption chief convicted of murder

February 12, 2010 An Indonesian court has convicted the former head of the country's anti-corruption agency of murder. The prosecution of Antasari Azhar and three others has been controversial, with some fearing the so-called "Judicial Mafia" played a role.

The Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) already saw a proven plot to discredit it and frame its senior members. Shortly after Azhar's arrest in May last year police came to take away Bibit Rianto and Chandra Hamzah, two deputy commissioners, to face trial for corruption. The trial, instead, unveiled a plot to convict the men of offences they had not committed. Protests in the street ensued, and locals gave corrupt officials the joint nickname of the "Judicial Mafia".

The scandal resulted in the resignations of a chief detective and a deputy attorney general; the KPK had begun probing the attorney general's office and that of the national police. During Azhar's time as chair the KPK has exposed bribery at the former and prosecuted an in-law relative of the president during the country's election preparations, with a jail sentence being the result.

The defendants had claimed political elements orchestrated a conspiracy to see the quartet convicted. The judges disagreed, with judge Herri Swantoro telling the court, "Defendant Antasari Azhar has been legitimately proven guilty of participating in persuading the carrying out of a premeditated murder." The court's judgement ran to 179 pages.

The case saw the four accused of plotting the March 2009 murder of tycoon Nasruddin Zulkarnaen, shot dead in his car by a motorbike assassin in Jakarta. Zulkarnaen was Azhar's golfing partner and the businessman was alleged by the prosecution to have been blackmailing the KPK leader, who is a former prosecutor.

Azhar is alleged to have had an affair with one of Zulkarnaen's wives, a golf caddie. With Zulkarnaen threatening to inform the press and parliament, Azhar is alleged to have plotted murder with several other officials. Police commissioner Wiliardi Wizar was accused of locating the assassins used; he claimed his senior had ordered him to testify he had been told by Azhar to kill Zulkarnaen.

Media mogul Sigid Haryo Wibisono stood accused of financing the contract killing, and businessman Jerry Hermawan Lo of arranging a meeting with the gunmen. All three were convicted alongside Azhar, who received an eighteen-year prison sentence. Wizar was jailed for twelve years, Wibisono for fifteen and Lo for five. All intend to appeal the verdicts.

One person who feels the court got it wrong is a human rights lawyer who defended Bibit and Chandra. "I think that this is all still a mystery," said Taufik Basari. "I don't think the judge had all the necessary facts to warrant a verdict of eighteen years."

Despite the conviction of his relative, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono retained the presidency last June by a landslide majority. Originally elected in 2004, Yudhoyono has used an anti-corruption stance in his campaigns, heaping praise upon the KPK which Azhar was head of from December 2007 until his arrest.

The four new convicts join five men convicted of the murder in December. Alleged to have comprised the gang behind the shooting, they received sentences varying from seventeen to eighteen years imprisonment.


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British fashion designer Alexander McQueen found dead at age 40

February 12, 2010

British fashion designer Alexander McQueen has died at the age of 40. He was found dead inside his residence in London, England yesterday.

The Metropolitan Police said they are not treating the death as suspicious. A spokesperson for the police force said, "[w]e were called by London Ambulance Service at about 10.20am this morning to reports of a man found dead at an address in Green Street, W1. He is believed to be 40 years old and from London. Next of kin have been informed, however we await formal identification before releasing the name of the deceased." According to reports, McQueen committed suicide by hanging, however this has not been confirmed.

Between the years of 1996 and 2003, McQueen received Fashion Designer of the Year four times. He was also given a CBE by Queen Elizabeth II in 2003. The fashion designer had a new selection of clothing, entitled "McQ", that was expected to be shown on Thursday; the show has now been cancelled. Alexander's mother Joyce died earlier this month. In response to this, McQueen placed a message on his Twitter page which said "RIP mumxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx." Isabella Blow, who assisted in making McQueen famous, killed herself in 2007.

Yesterday, a statement was released from McQueen's company headquarters stating "On behalf of Lee McQueen's family, Alexander McQueen today announces the tragic news that Lee McQueen, the founder and designer of the Alexander McQueen brand, has been found dead at his home. At this stage it is inappropriate to comment on this tragic news beyond saying that we are devastated and are sharing a sense of shock and grief with Lee's family. Lee's family has asked for privacy in order to come to terms with this terrible news and we hope the media will respect this."


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Guilty of not expediating a rat's death? I assume it's not like they cut it's throat and sat there laughing for a minute and a half and just waiting for it to die. I don't know that for sure as I haven't watched the program since its boring US debut in 2000. But like Fishy said, they're not experts at slaughtering animals. Anyone should do this if they're hungry enough.

I just wish ITV would have the guts up to stand up to this rather than (essentially) paying the prosecution off.


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I did make the disclaimer I didn't know if they had simply waited or not; you have apparently ignored that. I would agree that ITV should have defended; I suspect they wanted to appear remorseful in the eyes of the public, who they perceived as being against them. If so, they made an eror of judgement; I'm sure the public would've stuck by them.


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It's unlikely that they "sat there laughing" but it's not inconceivable that they could have been fascinated by its dying; in which case I would have preferred that the contestants acknowledge that it was their responsibility to finish it off and that they failed to do so in a timely or efficient manner. Ultimately, neither this article nor the sources really explains what happened, and the show's viewer base does not seem to include anyone who comments on Wikinews, so all we can do is discuss possibilities, and it's easy to run away with assumptions like I did when I opened the thread. I admit I had a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.


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I'm not too worried about Google themselves misusing my data, I'd certainly trust them more on security than the UK government for example. But the tight integration with email worries me: this blog post points out a big problem for privacy (i.e. you will automatically be publicly connected with people you email frequently).


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At least seventeen dead after clashes in Somalia

February 12, 2010 According to reports, at least seventeen people have been killed in Somalia after clashes between opposition rebels and government troops, although some reports put the number as high as 24. 61 others were wounded.

The violence started Wednesday in the capital, Mogadishu, when Islamist rebels started firing at the Villa Somalia, the presidential palace; guards from the African Union responded by firing mortars. According to Al Jazeera news agency, the rebels were stationed in the busy Bakara market.

"We admitted 61 wounded people from yesterday's shelling. Three of them died inside the hospital during treatment," commented a doctor at the Medina Hospital to the the German Press Agency DPA.

"The death toll may rise because we have not yet reached some of the districts where shells also landed," said the coordinator of the Mogadishu ambulance service, Ali Muse, to the Reuters news agency.

Thousands of residents are said to have fled the capital this week, fearing more violence between the rebels and the transitional government; the former are in control of many parts of the capital.


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Reports issued after jets collided twice in same spot at UK airport

February 12, 2010

The United Kingdom's Air Accident Investigations Branch (AAIB) has issued two reports today into collisions between jetliners in the same spot at Manchester Airport. None of the 468 passengers caught in the incidents, which were in separate years, were injured.

The first report concerned an incident in 2007 in which a Pakistan International Airways Boeing 777 struck a Flybe Bombardier Q400. The 777 was trying to turn in behind the Q400 onto the taxiway when its wingtip struck the smaller aircraft's rudder.

The 777's pilot had been "cautioned about the presence" of Flybe's plane, according to the AAIB. The pilot stated that he believed he had sufficient room to manoeuvre and that he expected a further warning were this not the case. The aircraft were later able to continue on their journeys.

The second report issued today involves the exact same location, this time scene of a collision in 2008. A Boeing 737 operated by now-defunct Spanish airline Futura was instructed to "give way"; this confused the flight crew of the Tenerife-bound plane and it moved forward, one wingtip striking the tail of a Lufthansa Airlines Airbus A320 destined for Frankfurt.

The Futura flight crew had believed they had an unobstructed path with plenty of space to clear the A320. The AAIB recommended that Manchester's air traffic controllers stop using the phrase "give way" and instead state "hold position". Procedures have already been changed at Manchester in light of the collisions.


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I think mp3 is safe. This essentially adds extended meta-data. But a large amount of this extended metadata can already be embeded in mp3 files, just no one uses it, because no one really cares. (OTOH, perhaps no one uses, as its a lot of work to add this metadata, and not really beneficial unless all your media has it). I'd be interested to see how they plan to do this legitament buyers only get access to website. Are you going to need a password to the website to stop music "pirates" from seeing this extended album cover type stuff. OR is there going to be some sort of DRM that only applies to the meta-data. IF they're going the DRM on the metadata route, the guy says he does not think DRM on music files work, so why would it on metadata. To me this sounds like marketing gimick (new format that does not add anything) + propriety online meta-data download service.

The only chance they have of making this take off is to get a lot of the music industry on board. I doubt it has intrinsically enough features to make consumers "want" it.


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DRM is stupid, really stupid. And, I don't care whether they're going that route or not.

The most modern media players will take all your on-disk music, which may have limited metadata, and lnk that to new releases, concert dates, and all those things. This just seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Someone has been drinking their own marketing hooch.


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Adding content is a worthy step, the trouble is, with MP3s the emotional content of the music is missing. Better fidelity first, bells and whistles second.


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MP3 was a breakthrough for its time. If you were on a corporate network, or similar bandwidth level, you could stream music in realtime; on a dial-up connection you could have a song in about 20 minutes to play as many times as you liked; and, if you had an actual MP3 player you could cram a significant amount of music into a very small amount of storage space.

Then came the notified-by-stealth patents; thou shalt have a license to use a couple of mathematical formulae.

Everyone, today, that I introduce to OGG finds it - fidelity-wise - a far better format; the bandwidth woes are receding, if not already gone. Take your "shiney!" and shove it! I want something I can rely on to continue working for my grandchildren.


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User talk:Soy Rebelde

Dispute
In regards to this. I'm trying to cool everyone's jets. I'm sorry you were upset by this language. Next time I think you might want to phrase your requests a little better, like "Hey, could you cool it a bit on the swearing? Thanks". We are a very loose wiki, more social, and not constricted by Wikipedia's way. Though we might be sister projects, things a VERY different around here. That being said, you're request is over the top. You're claiming bullying and violence? I don't even have a clue how you got that, and frankly I don't want to know. Also, you skipped steps 1-4 on the Resolution instructions. So, I've warned BRS and Mico to chill out and quite antagonizing you. For you, try to stay away from them for a while (Step 1) and try to be a little more chill yourself when people aren't meeting your standards. If you have any problems in the future, feels free to post a message on my talk page. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 03:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw this post, thought I'd pop in and make a comment if I may. I see you appear to be active on Wikipedia. As Shaka has said above, we're quite different, in terms of community, from that project; I've noticed Wikinews is much more lenient towards use of profanity than Wikipedia is. On the latter, that would most likely warrant a block; on the former, possibly a warning if the swearing was directed at a specific person, but not much more than that. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
 * That being said, I feel Blood Red Sandman's comments were rather inappropriate; they digressed from the topic at hand at didn't contribute to constructive discussion. I can understand your being upset at him and user:Microchip08. But please, try to be a little more calm in the future. In my experience, BRS has been overall a good, constructive user; remember that some people have bad days occasionally.
 * And please don't let this discourage you from contributing to the project. If you have any difficulties in the future, please don't hesitate to ask for help at my talk page, I'll try my best to help out. Tempodivalse [talk]  03:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Ok. Wow.... This is just a spectacular train wreck.  Did you ever stop to even consider posting a reply to my talk page asking me WHY I did what I did?  Or maybe asking me for further input?  I put in that I was more willing to work with you?  So far you've skipped anything remotely resembling any procedures.  I left you a "lengthy" reply and BRS only two sentences because I felt that BRS would understand what I was trying to communicate.  There was no sense in me writing "Hey, shut the foxtrot up" six times.  You on the other hand obviously need some help and introduction to things around here.  I was trying to help you.  I did not "contest" your request, I felt it was, as I said, over the top.  I'm sorry, but you've made 6 main space edits and you've been here for 2 days.  This isn't some long running dispute on wiki that you can't solve by normal means... this is one incident.
 * Additionally you say that this incident turned "into a very clear and hostile personal and sexist attack." Where?  Antagonistic - yes, impolite - yes, Attack - I'll give you something on those lines.  Sexist?  Come on, until you posted that you were female, I had no idea.  Your gender isn't on your userpage here (which you don't have) and it isn't on your Wikipedia userpage (which I now just went to check).  As for "Anyone in a position of authority who acts so recklessly should be terminated."  Admin's aren't an "authority" per say, as they are trusted with tools.  We don't "terminate" people, we may remove their sysop bit, yes, but they have to screw up fairly badly.  This is one MINOR incident.  I'm sorry if you feel slighted by that.  I don't mean to belittle your issue in anyway but there were 4 posts, including yours.
 * I don't think I can stress it enough, but this should be a minor issue but you've blown it WAY out of proportion. I'm still willing to help you, but you've gotta chill out too.  There is swearing here, I'd like to do so myself.  But, you've shown that you do not appreciate the language so I'm heading your wishes and not talking like I normally do.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 07:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Responded on my talk page. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 08:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Recent happenings
Since because I don't feel like beating arround the bush, I'm just going to speak my mind on the issues Thats more or less my unsolicited thoughts on this at the moment. They are meant as advice, take it or leave it. But be careful about the current strategy you are taking, it doesn't look like it will be succesful one (imho) Bawolff ☺☻ 08:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're over the line here.
 * Well BRS's comment may have been somewhat inapropriate given the context, your comment preceeding it could also easily be seen as a bit over the top.
 * A general lack of good faith (on your part) is at the very least equal to anything BRS has done.
 * Your alienting a lot of people at the moment (Mostly from over-reacting). Alienating people is not a good thing to do if you want people to agree with you.
 * You need to accept that even if BRS did something wrong, your certainly not perfect either. If you don't even try to resolve the dispute before going to arbcom, you're not going to get anywhere. Nobody is perfect. Try to remember to see the things that you do, when looking at the actions of other people. Well you are claiming to be attacked by BRS, remember that your allegations could also be seen as an attack on BRS.

My Wall
Although people are entitled to their opinions, your posts on my wall will not discourage me from pursuing what I consider a completely valid response to an attempt to antagonize and attack me; nor will I entertain this with persons not involved. 08:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

RE:Your edit
I'm afraid I can't speak Spanish, so I can't review the article. I'm not sure if it should be published, though. Wait for somebody else to review it. If it passes the review the article will be published. If the article does not pass review, do not publish it. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 10:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Roban en casa del futuro ministro de la Segpres, Cristián Larroulet.jpg
Please note that you need to provide a fair use rationale for this image in accordance with Fair use. Adambro (talk) 10:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Somebody's already created an article about this earthquake. I've placed it back into the developing category because it's not ready for publishing at the moment. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 10:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 8.8 magnitude earthquake hits Chile. I think that's the article you might be looking for. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 10:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very good. Just remember that this is breaking news, so don't take too long to write up the article. And please do not violate copyright. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Chile earthquake.jpg
Please note that in accordance with the fair use policy, images from "competing news organizations that are uploaded without permission can be deleted on sight" as they aren't permitted. There is a US department which I can't currently recall the name of but which will have similar images available under a free licence which could be uploaded to Commons. Adambro (talk) 10:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 2010 Chile earthquake has a similar freely licensed image which can be used. Adambro (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 Chile earthquake
I do appreciate that this earthquake is awful - I can tell just by watching the BBC News Channel - but please do not use words like "terrible" or "tragic" in the article. I'm not sure about the word "awesome" either. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 11:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Tit-for-tat
Here's what I don't understand: You satrted out with all this, but don't like the responses. Your article demonstrates two things; you aren't stupid and you aren't here to waste people's time. It's a good, well-written piece.

Whilst I was rather dismissive of your comments, I gave them a reasonable address. I just don't see any reason it could work. I used a solitary expletive, and unless article leads can be offended by suggestions they engage in sexual activity it didn't offend anybody and was not in and of itself aimed at anyone.

In response, you suggested I was a murderous maniac, that I should be on medication, that I suffered from small man syndrome (yet somehow using cunt as an example of a strong expletive, without aiming it anywhere, is sexist!) and that I should shut it. Now, I'm quite up for that kind of tit-for-tat if you want to start it, and accordingly I responded in kind. I didn't have any real problem with you doing so, and that was where the invicivility started. Fine by me.

So... Why is there suddenly a problem? Do you honestly believe that all use of swear words is violent and bullying, regardless of context?

Or, better yet, are you prepared to deal with me that this is an absurd conflict bourne from a single word and us both draw a line under it? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I have made no threats and placed nothing in your mouth. FWIW, I've published yur article. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

(Originally posted on User:Blood Red Sandman user page.) Response to your recent comments:
 * You used that word; never mind that you set out to antagonize someone new to WN, that was just petty. I also could have lived with the other colorful language for the same reason; petty. However, a combination of these made it difficult and I proceeded to address it in a manner parallel to the offense and which follows protocol.
 * Ultimately, the issue is: Are you the type of person that will allow this behavior to continue and do you understand what it means to be on the receiving end of it? The problem is, I think the answer to the latter part of that question is yes and consider it the very reason you did it in the first place.
 * You should know a handful of your WN peers have your back and I'm pretty sure I've made some "Wikinemies" from what was nothing more than an intention to contribute a proposal at the watercooler. People are calling me a terrorist (via a headline no less), amongst other things; not to mention WN is now plagued with that word; as is my discussion page. I have not entertained the hazing or exposed myself to reading offensive material that took others time to write. You are not helping the issue and only contributing to a hazmat area.
 * Wiki is a foundation open to everyone, that receives funding from donations and is meant to embrace and enhance the world. It is not a private club made up of exclusive members with organized underground network of rules.
 * I would appreciate if from here forth, every communication between us regarding this issue be through higher means; or not, just don't be surprised if you do not receive any response. --Soy Rebelde (talk) 19:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I did not originally set out to antagonise you; the first antagomising was by you when you objected to the initial profanity. I'm still willing to avoid being Wikinemies with you if you can accept that there was no initial attempt to belittle you. Regardless; petty does indeed sum up the situation - which was the whole point of me initially coming to this talk page; I was trying to understand and, eventually, reach some kind of agreement to move on. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Don't worry Soy, it takes more than that to make Wikinemies out of Wikinewies:P. Heck, on a good day in IRC we're as rude to each other as you and Blood Red Sandman claim each other have been in your dispute. We're usually a bit more civil on wiki, but sometimes the "push the news out nownownow" attitude spills over;). Gopher65talk 01:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

 * BTW Gopher, the noun in its username is Rebelde - Soy Rebelde translates to I am rebel — Does it have something to do with RBD and their song "Y soy rebelde..."? Diego Grez return fire 01:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Irregardless
Hi Soy Rebelde, Thanks for posting the link to Merriam-Webster. Though, I must say, the argument that there is such a word is a thin one, as the dictionary itself says to use "regardless" and that the non-standard word is a long way from general acceptance and has a bad reputation ... but I digress. While you may have found my post to be mocking (I won't address the WP policy on hazing as this is not WP), I did not intend to mock. Rather, I intended to elicit some thought about language and what we choose to offend us. And I mean that ... everyone has something that they think is offensive. It is better to not get hung up on any of that sh*t, at least not if participating in the global Wikis. Cheers,--SVTCobra 02:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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I think it will not replace MP3...


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Wheaton Academy, Illinois boys basketball team plays Benet Academy, suffers first in-state loss

February 12, 2010

The Benet Academy varsity boys basketball team defeated the Wheaton Academy Warriors 64–55 in a non-conference game Tuesday night, handing the host West Chicago, Illinois, United States school its first loss to a team from Illinois and second loss overall this season.

The gym was filled to standing-room-only capacity and Warriors fans donned white t-shirts specifically made for this event, saying "BEAT BENET" and claiming "There is only one Academy." Sixteen Wheaton Academy fans wore their school uniforms during the game. Such a show of support ultimately did not lead the Warriors to victory, however, even with 6-foot, 9-inch The College of William & Mary-recruit Tim Rusthoven on their side.

Rusthoven was the focus of Benet's defensive strategy. As the Redwings point guard Dave Sobolewski said, "We knew that we wouldn't be able to take him out of the game with just a single guy. We had to take him out with our entire team, and we did a great job doing that."

Wheaton Academy had a 19–15 lead at the end of the first quarter. Benet would never trail again for the rest of the game, however, with Sobolewski scoring ten points in the second quarter to give the Redwings a 37–32 lead at halftime. Benet eventually led by a huge margin of 56–41 with four minutes and 31 seconds left in the game. The Warriors managed to narrow that lead to 58–53 with 44.2 seconds left, but the Redwings successfully made eight of 12 free throws in the final one minute and five seconds.

Wheaton Academy coach Paul Ferguson commented, "They were very physical. They killed us on offensive rebounds...Benet played a real good game, they shot ball well and rebounded well." Rusthoven had 21 points and seven rebounds, while Sobolewski also had 21 points but only five rebounds.

The Warriors, now with a record of 20–2, had won seven straight games before this one. "We knew it was a big game from their standpoint. They were 20–1 and hadn't won by less than 12 points. We came in and took care of business," said Sobolewski. Benet, with a record of 18–3, now has an eight-game winning streak as well.

The Redwings, still undefeated in conference, are now in contention for their first East Suburban Catholic Conference championship since the 1994–1995 season. Eddie Burns of the Naperville Sun attributes Benet's success to its defensive strategy, which he says is "making life miserable for the opposition". As of February 5, the Redwings had let their opponents score an average of 41 points. As forward Mike Runger said, "I think everyone on this team really values defense. Players on this team know that defense is what can get wins."


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It will replace MP3 if it gets a great deal of corporate backing. If not, it will be another drop in the ocean. Quality is irrelevant. Yes, OGG is better; MP3 wins only in its universal support. Universal support would be harder now than it has ever been, and is by its nature extremely rare. Either way you understand the phrase "successor to mp3", the answer is no.

Besides, the answer for me will continue to involve usage of many different formats. No, I don't particularly like TTA, but I have to have support for it. A successor is impossible.


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User talk:Davida~enwikinews

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Davida. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Davida~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Renamed
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Talk:Reports issued after jets collided twice in same spot at UK airport

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editprotected seperate .....--Billymac00 (talk) 23:32, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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Kelly Gordon Rogers Collin County Recommended Articles: Complaint - 1. (criminal) Formal written charge that a person has committed a criminal offense. 2. (civil) Initial document entered by the plaintiff which states the claims against the defendant.

Bankruptcy - A legal proceeding where a person or business is relieved of paying certain debts.

Voir dire - (pronounced "vwar-deer") - "To speak the truth." The process of preliminary examination of prospective jurors, by the court or attorneys, regarding their qualifications.(Kelly Rogers Dallas Texas - Kelly Rogers)

Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1994 - the most comprehensive piece of bankruptcy legislation since the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978. It was signed into law on October 22, 1994 with most provisions effective immediately. Included in the 1994 Act are the following provisions to expedite bankruptcy proceedings, provisions to standardize fees, provisions to encourage individual debtors to use Chapter 13 to reschedule their debts rather than use Chapter 7 to liquidate, provisions to aid creditors in recovering claims against bankrupt estates, and creation of a National Bankruptcy Commission to investigate further changes in bankruptcy law; etc.

Fair Preponderance-- Evidence sufficient to create in the minds of the triers of fact the belief that the party which bears the burden of proof has established its case. Kelly G. Rogers Texas Adversary proceeding - a lawsuit arising in or related to a bankruptcy case that is commenced by filing a complaint with the bankruptcy court.

Kelly G. Rogers : Contingent claim - a claim that may be owed by the debtor under certain circumstances. For example, where the debtor is a cosigner on another personâ€™s loan and that person fails to pay.

Malpractice. Professional misconduct or unreasonable lack of skill. A claim of malpractice must prove two things. One, you must prove that you could have won your case were it not for your lawyer's negligence. And, secondly, you must prove that your lawyer's actions were negligent.

Kelly Gordon Rogers Dallas: Mitigating circumstances - Those which do not constitute a justification or excuse for an offense but which may be considered as reasons for reducing the degree of blame

Plea - A defendant's official statement of "guilty" or "not guilty" to the charge(s) made against him.

Court supreme - "Court of last resort." Highest court in the state and final appellate court. Kelly G. Rogers Dallas Texas

Section 77B - followed Section 77 and provided for reorganization of companies other than railroads.

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Talk:British fashion designer Alexander McQueen found dead at age 40

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Edit protected "The Metropolitan Police said they are are not treating the death as suspicious." -> "The Metropolitan Police said they are not treating the death as suspicious." Minorax (talk) 09:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thread:Comments:Google introduces Google Buzz/All I have to say is....

In terms of awesome new tech applications....

LQT > Buzz

Google finally unlocked it on Gmail for me. I don't have many Google contacts so there's not much to see for me... interface seems pretty boring, looks pretty much like Twitter/Facebook's status boxes. I just did a quick browse anyways, maybe I'll go back later and look around some more. Then again, I only check Gmail occasionally.


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I give out my details to Google. I opt out of things on their privacy settings console, but I have no problem with things like this as long as the personally-identifiable data isn't used willy-nilly.

That said, not everything to do with me is on the Internet. A Google search will reveal some, but only if you look hard.


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Talk:Wheaton Academy, Illinois boys basketball team plays Benet Academy, suffers first in-state loss

This really is stale, the only way I can see it not being stale is for you to add information from this article. Calebrw (talk) 14:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The most recent source is the 10th, two days ago - that's near-stale, not completely so.
 * My other concern is I see changes in there incorrectly noted - Yes, it is preferable to have numbers at the start of a sentence spelled out; however, the explicit point in the style guide is "spell out all numbers of twenty or less". Obviously, this doesn't apply to x - y sports scores, but in virtually every other case it should. I'd also add that "February 5" is, more correctly expressed as "last Friday". --Brian McNeil / talk 15:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing, Calebrw. I'm surprised to see that there was actually another article on the Chicago Tribune! I think it's too late to add the info, though, so I'll keep the article as it is. Benny the mascot (talk) 22:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


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