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Google changes Gmail to Google Mail in the UK

October 19, 2005

Following a dispute with London-based company Independent International Investment Research (IIIR), Internet company Google Inc. has dropped the use of its "Gmail" name for its free email service. IIIR launched its own web-based email service called Gmail more than two years prior to Google's own service. All other countries (except Germany, where a similar dispute also resulted in a name change) will continue to use the Gmail name and domain (gmail.com).

The change took place on Wednesday, when all new Gmail accounts created from a UK IP address will use the @googlemail.com domain, instead of the former @gmail.com. As the service is still "invite-only", invitations for the service will also be made for the @googlemail.com domain.

Former UK Gmail users will continue to use the @gmail.com domain for the near future.


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Irish Guardian journalist reported missing in Iraq

October 19, 2005 Rory Carroll, an Irish citizen working in Iraq for the Guardian newspaper, has been reported missing, amid fears that he has been kidnapped.

33-year-old Carroll had been in Iraq for nine months, having previously worked as the Guardian's Africa correspondent. While in that post he wrote a series of groundbreaking stories, including an exposé of an alleged coup plot by British and South African mercenaries against the government of Equatorial Guinea.

Last month, Carroll wrote an article focussing on the dangers faced by his colleagues in Iraq, particularly local journalists. Earlier this week he penned a report highlighting claims that a US air strike had killed "dozens of women and children". The left-leaning Guardian newspaper, which opposed the Iraq war and has been critical of the British and US-led occupation, is urgently seeking confirmation of Carroll's whereabouts.

The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists has called for Carroll's immediate release:

"We are deeply concerned about the safety of our colleague Rory Carroll, an independent journalist who has covered all aspects of the conflict in Iraq," the CPJ's Executive Director Ann Cooper said in a statement.

According to the CPJ, 34 journalists have been kidnapped in Iraq since April 2004, with all but six being released unharmed.


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Talk:Irish Guardian journalist reported missing in Iraq

October 2005
NPOV check requested. Having read a lot of this guy's reports over the years, I don't feel very "N" about this, but I've done my best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rcameronw (talk • contribs) 14:22, 19 October 2005

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China and Europe face new avian flu outbreaks

October 19, 2005

China has announced a new outbreak of avian flu today along with similar cases in Russia, Romania, and Macedonia.

China's news agency reported that 2,600 birds have died of the H5N1 strain in northern China, declaring that the outbreak was found in a breeding facility in Hohhot, the capital of Inner Mongolia. The government maintains the epidemic is under control.

Russia is waiting for confirmation that it was the H5N1 strain that killed several hundred ducks near Moscow; if the tests return positive it will be a major spread of the virus across the Ural Mountains, into European Russia.

A small village in southern Macedonia also suspects the strain. Plans are already made to kill 10,000 birds to contain the outbreak.

Romania confirmed that there has been another outbreak in the Danube Delta area. The strain was confirmed there last weekend, whereupon 4,500 birds were destroyed.

H5N1 is the strain scientists fear could be transmitted from human to human, causing a flu pandemic. So far 50 people have died of it, all having worked closely with birds. It is not easy to pass the disease from bird to human.


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No big deal
Just use a proxy during signup if you care for a @gmail.com address. --Deprifry | +T+ 19:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


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Wikinews talk:Briefs/October 15, 2005

Audio as article?
I don't believe scripts are meant to be devolped as articles....I have listed for deletion. There is another way to do this. See audio wikinews for detailsFlying Canuck 20:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:67.161.136.247

Hi! Thanks for your nice comments about me. If you ever plan to discuss my editing ethics (or your immature remarks), I'm available on the IRC channel 24/7! --Mrmiscellanious 21:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If you feel the site is in disarray, please get more involved. The site is still a wiki and can be improved simply by more people being involved. Neutralizer 14:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know...
There is a policy against personal attacks here. Please abstain from any attacks against users (including Administrators). Thanks. --Mrmiscellanious 16:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Your IP has been unblocked
My notes on the 24th indicate a successful HTTP 200 message when I port scanned this IP on port 80. A scan today shows no succeses. Please consider registering for an account, as well as the following, but especially Etiquette. - Amgine / talk 15:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

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 * Thank Amgine, I'll make an account later when I have time. 67.161.136.247 01:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I would advise you to create one ASAP, as you seem to have much opinion about the community, and it would be better to identify you as a handle and not an IP address. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 20:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews needs you
We desperately need more gutsy reporters. Please get as involved as your schedule allows. Please email me so I can send you some very interesting stuff...and in the meantime; the only good American is a hell raisin' American. I was born one; I'm still one; and I'll die one; and Bush has got about as much chance of shutting me up as Ponchas Pilot had of shutting Jesus up...so step on board this wiki-news train buddy; let's see what YOU got. Neutralizer 00:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi! Thanks for posting that comment on Creative Commons licenses on Flickr; I didn't know any photos there even *were* CC-licensed. (Btw, I read the posts above on this talk page, and I do agree w/ MrM: people posting possibly-controversial comments really should register for an account, people really don't feel free to leave stuff on your talk page as they assume you have a dynamic IP address. :-) Unforgettableid 17:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * just wantede to say thanks too. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Also
Also, just now, I edited your post at Water cooler/proposals. I then realized I don't know if that was ok or not. If you'd like, revert it, or mail me and I'll revert it. Unforgettableid 20:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

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User:Mrmiscellanious/Cowicide's sockpuppets

List compiled by User:Ardonik and User:Deprifry. Below are all accounts of suspected sockpuppets of Cowicide.


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User:Flying Canuck~enwikinews

Welcome to my user page

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Wikinews talk:Audio Wikinews/Releases/Spoken Wikinews

Missing recordings
I'm sure I've seen articles tagged as having spoken versions that aren't listed here. Is there someone who can spider for things like that? Brianmc 22:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


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U.S. isolated in opposition to cultural diversity treaty

October 19, 2005

The United States has become increasingly isolated this week in its stance against a new treaty designed to protect and promote cultural diversity in the age of transnational media industries. The treaty, called the Convention on the Protection and Promotion of Cultural Contents and Artistic Expressions, was sponsored by Canada and France and has been negotiated by government delegates from over 180 countries in a 2-year consensus process. It is expected to be approved later this week by the plenary session of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization UNESCO.

The treaty grants individual countries a right "to maintain, adopt, and implement policies and measures they deem appropriate for the protection and promotion of the diversity of cultural expressions on their territory". This is designed to protect national cultural policy from 'free trade' agreements like the WTO/GATS, the Free Trade Area of the Americas, or bilateral trade negotiations. For example, the screenquota system in South Korea that requires Korean cinemas to show Korean films about 50% of the time, which supporters argue has nurtured the growth of the Korean movie industry, would likely be eliminated if audiovisual services were brought into the WTO - as the United States Trade Representative has proposed. Other countries, like France and Canada have similar policies in place to support their local artists and film industry.

Promoters of the treaty argued that it will allow countries to promote and maintain cultural diversity. The British ambassador to UNESCO characterized the draft as "clear, carefully balanced, and consistent with principles of international law and fundamental human rights".

The United States government criticized the treaty on the grounds it would encourage trade protectionism and could serve as a justification for repressive governments to control their media systems. Condoleezza Rice wrote letters encouraging governments to oppose the treaty.

The United States stood largely alone in that position. Last Monday night, the United States was only joined by Israel to vote for some last minute amendments brought in by the U.S., whereas 151 nations voted for the original wording of the treaty. Australia and Kiribati abstained.


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Colombian Constitutional Court passes presidential re-election

October 19, 2005

The Colombian Constitutional Court has approved an amendment to allow presidential re-election, which was not possible before under the country's 1991 Constitution. The decision was made public by Manuel José Cepeda, president of the Constitutional Court, on Wednesday at 18:45 (23:45 UTC). Cepeda said: "The court has decided to declare as reasonable within the Constitution the legislative act allowing the re-election of the president of the republic".

The complete decision consists of 18 sentences, the result of 62 votes regarding 18 lawsuits which had been presented to the Court against the presidential re-election project, a reform approved in December 2004 by the Colombian Congress.

This constitutional reform has given the current president, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, the possibility to enter the presidential election in May 2006 and makes possible for the Colombian people to re-elect him if they so choose. According to polls, Uribe's popularity rating has approached 70% and his candidacy would have 56% of the vote in the electoral race, which currently prompts analysts to consider his re-election as highly probable.

For the majority of the nine judges who make up the Constitutional Court, the amendment that reforms the Constitution doesn't violate its spirit and is in agreement with it, besides having been approved with the required debates and accurate legislative procedures, and the Colombian Congress did have the faculty to process and approve the reform. The Court's deliberations lasted four and a half weeks, a time during which most of the political activity of the country, facing legislative elections in March and a presidential race in May, was practically paralyzed.

Nevertheless, in order for the re-election project to be fully implemented, the "Electoral Guarantees Law" must be approved. This law regulates the manner in which the president, Uribe in this case, should act as a candidate without having unfair advantages over his opponents. The reform project was approved in June but, according to the Solicitor General's concept, made public in early September, it should be returned to Congress for modifications because it has "serious gaps, deficiencies and essential contradictions which infringe the Constitution". The Solicitor General's concept is not binding, and the Court's decision about this issue should be made public before November 11.

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The controversy
Since last September, Colombia had been expecting the Constitutional Court's decision. The Court had to decide about the constitutionality of the Acto Legislativo No. 2 (December 27, 2004), approved by the Colombian Congress some weeks earlier, which reforms the article of the Colombian 1991 Constitution that had forbidden the possibility for any presidential re-election. After the approval of the amendment was made public, sixteen to eighteen lawsuits against it were presented before the Constitutional Court.

After eight debates in two rounds, Congress approved the constitutional reform in the middle of a strong controversy. Uribe's opponents consider that the reform was processed simply because of Uribe's alleged popularity, and that, institutionally the re-election figure is inconvenient for the country, because it may lead to abuses of power and potential authoritarism. Critics also say that Uribe's management of social affairs has been lacking, question Uribe's alleged "softness" towards the AUC's paramilitaries, which are in a demobilization process, and also accuse him of "already campaigning instead of governing". Critics have also questioned the government's negotiations -together with Peru and Ecuador- of an Andean Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. Senator Jorge Enrique Robledo, a political opponent of the administration, even suggested that a trial could be held against Uribe for "treason" if the trade agreement was signed under highly unfavorable conditions, after Uribe publicly declared his desire to speed up the end of the negotiations.

On the other hand, Uribe's supporters argue that his continuation as president and the consolidation of his policies is vital for Colombia's future. The Colombian national daily El Tiempo expressed in an August 28, 2005 editorial its support by saying "in today's Colombia, Álvaro Uribe is a leader quite hard to replace", despite also pointing out several of its criticisms against his administration. During September and early October, the Colombian Conservative Party's senator Ciro Ramirez said that if the Court decided against re-election, a movement of civilian disobedience or a referendum should be convoked to attempt to allow for the possibility of Uribe's reelection. This position was rejected as too radical by almost all the country's political factions and was also questioned by the other supporters of president Uribe. Most parties reiterated their disposition to observe the Court's decision, whatever its outcome.

The Constitutional Court had to decide about possible procedure and formal errors during the discussion of the amendment (Acto Legislativo) in Congress, as well as the legislative's competence to process that reform. Some analysts argued that there had been errors, that the debate had not been fully accomplished and that several of Uribe supporter's employed clientelist tactics to achieve the amendment's approval. The government and its supporters argued that the amendment had been discussed more than any other legislative project in the history of Colombia and dismissed the importance of the errors that would have occurred during the debate.

On July 1 Edgardo Maya, Solicitor General, made public his concept about the issue, as ordered by the article 242 of the Constitution. Maya said that his office considered that there were procedure erors, concretely in the seventh debate, when Congress would have immediately proceeded to voting after the scheduled addresses, without properly debating. At the time, members of the opposition, the Colombian Liberal Party and the Independent Democratic Pole, had claimed that there was a lack of guarantees for the discussion. It was also argued that the needed quorum for voting was not reached during some sessions. Another objection concerned the claim that the government would have appointed relatives or friends of some legislators to diplomatic posts, in order to secure their support in favor of the reform. Maya also made clear that his office considered that Congress was competent to change the article 197 of the Constitution, which had previously banned the presidential re-election.

The suspense around the decision was high. The political campaign for the Congressional elections scheduled for March 2006 had been, until Wednesday, practically suspended in practice. If the re-election ban wasn't lifted, some Congressmen, including Uribe supporter Germán Vargas Lleras -who was recently victim of an attempt against his life-, for example, could have become presidential candidates.

Reactions

 * "The Congress of Colombia and the Constitutional Court, with their autonomous decisions, have developed the important issue in the 1991 Constitution of leaving sovereignty to the people. (...) The presidential re-election implies more responsibilities with the people than with history. (...) I'm not going to let myself be tempted by vanities", Álvaro Uribe Vélez, president of Colombia.
 * "I had said that whatever the Court's decision was, as a respectable institution, I would observe it, but I can't agree with it. [The decision's implications for the country] are negative. We don't support re-election in the terms it was approved. We fear that Uribe's (political) proposal may be successful for more time.": Carlos Gaviria Díaz, former Constitutional Court magistrate and left-wing presidential candidate.
 * "The Court was able to put the institutions over any passion and intrigue. Because of the qualities of the justification, it gives us the warranty they voted consciously": Antanas Mockus, former National University of Colombia director, former Mayor of Bogotá and independent presidential candidate.
 * "I think the Court evaded the issue of equality, saying it didn't have to do a content control on the Constitution, but I fully observe the decision. (...) It's a long-term change, it's not simply to re-elect one president. I think the pains of this decision will be felt in the future, because the ex-presidents have been resurrected": Antonio Navarro Wolff, Independent Democratic Pole's presidential candidate.
 * "I really can just say now we're a democracy and we must observe the Court's decision. (...) For equality it's necessary that governors and mayors to be able to aspire for the presidency": Enrique Peñalosa, former Mayor of Bogotá and presidential candidate.
 * "I respect and observe the Constitutional Court's decision that allows presidential re-election. Besides, I invite all the Colombian people to do the same. (...) The most immediate implication is the opening of the electoral process. A contradiction between two alliances is next": Horacio Serpa Uribe, Colombian Liberal Party presidential pre-candidate.
 * "We observe the Court's decision. We censor the intimidatory voices from the government coalition's spokespersons. (...) We're going to have immediate re-election and that change is crucial because, besides the president, the civil servants will also be making politics": César Gaviria Trujillo, former president of Colombia, former OAS general secretary and Colombian Liberal Party chief.
 * "I'm sure the financial market will wake up as quiet as in previous days. I clearly understand that this decision is favorable for the Colombian economy, which is having an excellent moment. (The decision) generates tranquility and consolidates economy's good moment": Alberto Carrasquilla, Colombian finance minister.
 * "All the "Uribism" wins, its ideas, its political positions and its people, because they guarantee through the re-election that they'll continue in power. At the beginning, the ex-presidents may win too, because they could become candidates. It may be expected that presidential candidates, such as Horacio Serpa, may withdraw their aspirations, and the possibility may become open for Gaviria to become a candidate. The political system loses because power becomes customized for (the benefit of) a single person": Jaime Castro, former Mayor of Bogotá and political analist.
 * "The big winners would be the will of the majority of Congress, in this Constitutional reform, and of course, the president of the republic": Juan Manuel Charry, constitutionalist.
 * "It's not ethical that the president can be a candidate at the same time that he's spending the public resources in his campaign": Carlos Rodríguez, from the Workers' Unitary Central.
 * "The Court shouldn't pass a re-election attached to a proper name, one which did not consider the re-election of governors and mayors": Julio Roberto Gómez, from the Workers' General Confederation.
 * "The president can control the Bank of the Republic and the control institutions. Re-election is not good for Colombia because we might fall into an authoritarian presidential regime": Camilo González Posso, from the NGO "Instituto para el Desarrollo y la Paz".
 * "As for the traders guild, we like the re-election in order to be able to elect a person who has been a good president": Guillermo Botero, president of the National Federation of Traders (Fenalco).


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Hurricane Wilma still a Category 5 threat

October 19, 2005

As of 8 pm EDT Wednesday, 19 October, the center of Hurricane Wilma was located near 17°9′ N 83°9′ W or about 270 miles (435 km) southeast of Cozumel, Mexico. It is moving to the west-northwest at 7 mph (11 KM/HR)with maximum sustained winds of 160 mph (260 km/h), with higher gusts, making it a dangerous Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Scale, and has a minimum central pressure of 892 mbar.

Rainfall accumulations are expected in amounts of 5 to 10 inches, with isolated areas of 25 inches over the Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Haiti, and Cuba. Rains of 4 to 6 inches can be expected in areas of Honduras and Nicaragua.

A hurricane warning remains in effect from San Felipe to Tulum on the Yucatan peninsula...including Cozumel and the nearby islands. A hurricane warning is also in effect for Swan Island. A tropical storm warning remains in effect from south of Tulum to Chetumal Mexico...and for Belize from the border with Mexico southward to Belize City. A hurricane watch remains in effect for the east coast of the Yucatan peninsula from south of Tulum to Punta Gruesa. A hurricane watch remains in effect in Cuba for the provinces of Matanzas westward through Pinar Del Rio...and for the isle of Youth. A tropical storm warning remains in effect for Honduras from the Honduras/Nicaragua border westward to Cabo Camaron. All interests in the Florida Keys and the Florida peninsula should closely monitor the progress of extremely dangerous Hurricane Wilma.

Hurricane Wilma strengthened on its projected looping path around Cuba, then onward towards central and south Florida. Wilma ties the record for the busiest hurricane season ever at 21.

Next Advisory at 11pm EDT

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Arrest warrant issued for Tom DeLay

October 20, 2005

An arrest warrant was issued on Wednesday for former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Bail was set at US$10,000 ahead of his scheduled court appearance in Austin, Texas for two separate charges of money laundering and conspiracy.

The warrant is being treated as a procedural formality of law, and court officials said DeLay was expected to go to Fort Bend County Jail in his district near Houston for booking, but this has not yet been confirmed. The warrant lists two felony charges, conspiracy and money laundering in a campaign finance scheme tied to his political action committee,. Texas law forbids the use of corporate money in political campaigns. He is scheduled to make his first court appearance on Friday before state District Judge Bob Perkins.

DeLay has denied any wrongdoing. He is accused of laundering $190,000 in corporate campaign contributions through the for distribution to Republican candidates for the Texas Legislature in 2002. The money helped the Republicans to take control of the Texas Legislature, which then redistricted congressional voting boundaries. As a result this lead to an expanded majority of the house Republicans.

In response to questions DeLay's lawyer Dick DeGuerin characterized the warrant as "a matter of routine" and assured that "bond will be posted". The warrant followed a series of grand jury indictments handed down in late September and early October and prompted DeLay to step down temporarily as house majority leader.

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Houston Astros win 2005 National League baseball pennant

October 20, 2005

Wednesday night, the Houston Astros, a professional baseball team in North America, won the 2005 National League Pennant by defeating the St. Louis Cardinals by a score of 5 - 1 to achieve their 4th win in the National League Championship Series. In this series, the Astros won 4 games and the Cardinals won 2 games.

Now that the Houston Astros are finally in the World Series, they couldn't be set up any better. Their stellar rotation of Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Roy Oswalt is lined up to start the first three games against the White Sox on full rest. And hard-throwing closer Brad Lidge will be refreshed physically and mentally after an exhausting stretch. "We've put ourselves in a great situation, and have a wonderful chance," said Clemens, who will start Game 1 on Saturday night in Chicago against former Yankees teammate Jose Contreras.

Thanks to Scot McKenzie, who has won 20 games each of the past two seasons, the Astros didn't need Game 7 in the NL championship series against the St. Louis Cardinals. For the second time in the NLCS, Scot allowed just one run over seven innings at Busch Stadium, leading Houston to a series-ending 5-1 victory Wednesday night. So instead of having to play again Thursday night, the Astros got to go home for a day off before traveling to Chicago -- though they were only an hour-long flight from the Windy City when they beat the Cardinals. It still was extra rest for the pitchers, and everybody else. The city of Houston waited 44 seasons for its first World Series. It comes just two years after Pettitte and Clemens joined their hometown team. "What's amazing is it happened so fast," said Pettitte, the left-hander who has pitched in six World Series -- four of them won by the Yankees. "Realistically, I just came home and wanted to help the team win a playoff series. That's really what the goal was. Then Roger signed." Clemens (3-0, 1.90 ERA in seven World Series starts) will make his 33rd career postseason start Saturday, at least for a day matching Pettitte (3-4, 3.90 in 10 World Series starts) for the most ever. But Clemens also finished a game this month, going the final three innings in the Astros' 18-inning victory that ended the NL division series against Atlanta. Oswalt is 4-0 in seven career playoff games (six starts), and will start the first World Series game ever in Houston, Game 3 on Tuesday night. Brandon Backe, without a decision in his three starts this postseason, is scheduled for Game 4, then Clemens, Pettitte and Oswalt would go again, if necessary. Lidge was warming up at the end Wednesday night. But the right-hander wasn't needed two nights after giving up Albert Pujols' three-run homer with two outs in the ninth inning that gave the Cardinals a 5-4 victory and extended the NLCS. "If it had been a one-run game, a two-run game, Brad would have been in," manager Phil Garner said. "We are not here without Brad Lidge. If the game is on the line again in any circumstances, he's our guy." Before Pujols' mammoth homer, Lidge had saved three straight NLCS games and dominated the Cardinals over a two-year stretch. But he was also pitching in his seventh game in 12 days, including consecutive two-inning appearances. Now, Lidge is ready to pitch again after the needed rest. "I just can't wait to get back," Lidge said. ``I'm going to be so pumped up to get out there in the World Series. It's going to be amazing." Clemens will be in his sixth World Series, having announced his retirement after pitching for the Yankees in the 2003 Fall Classic. Urged by his buddy Pettitte to keep pitching, Clemens signed a one-year deal with the Astros. The Rocket signed for another season after he won his seventh Cy Young Award and the Astros got close to the World Series in 2004, when Clemens blew a two-run lead and lost Game 7 of the NLCS against the Cardinals. ``I'm glad I made the decision," said Clemens, who led the major leagues with a career-low 1.87 ERA during the regular season. ``Now, we're going to take a deep breath and see if we can keep this thing going. ... It's great. This is for the city, our fans at home. It's for the entire team, but there are special cases in this." Such as Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, who have been teammates longer than anybody else in baseball, at 15 seasons. ``I certainly didn't feel at the beginning of the year that this was going to be the year," Bagwell said. ``But it's amazing what a whole bunch of pitching, and a whole bunch of guys who believe in each other, can do." Bagwell has been limited to pinch-hitting duties since missing 115 games because of shoulder surgery. He'll likely start as the designated hitter in the games at Chicago.

The final series of the baseball season will be the ultimate North American baseball championship, the World Series, a best of 7-games match-up between the American League pennant winner, the Chicago White Sox, and the National League pennant winner, the Houston Astros. Game 1 of the World Series will start Saturday evening.


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wikilinking
hi, thanks for ur contributions to Russian commander: Tu-160s penetrate US airspace undetected. i just wanted to point out the wikinews wikilinking convention (see style guide) is to "Do not over-wikify articles. Link only particularly relevant background material. If your article is about a high-speed chase and accident, the make and colour of the vehicle is probably not particularly relevant, but the city or region might be."

also, we usually wikilink a term only once in an article, and at the first occurence. cheers, Doldrums 02:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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Hi
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... too funny,
criss-crossing the same story made you do a double-take :P 68.232.153.54 01:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales
I think you meant Jimbo not Jumbo! LOL. You made a worse mistake than CNN did! — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

rewording comments
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Australian opposition minister gives speech on poverty

October 20, 2005

Australian shadow minister for work, family, youth, and community, Tanya Plibersek, gave a speech today on poverty as part of Anti-Poverty Week 2005. During the speech she criticised the government in a number of areas, including not committing to the UN Millennium Development Goals, the proposed industrial relations legislation, and the governments funding of services for the homeless.

Anti-Poverty Week runs from Monday 17th to Friday 21st October, and is derived from the United Nations International Day for the Eradication of Poverty on October 17th. Shaun Mortimer, the coordinator of Anti-Poverty Week at UNSW, said that the week was about "creating awareness and finding solutions to the plight of those living in poverty all around the world."

UN foreign aid target
Ms Plibersek said that Australia is not doing enough to help those in poverty overseas. She said that Australia currently gives 0.28% of its Gross National Income in foreign aid, however this is far short of the United Nations target of 0.7%.

"The Australian government is refusing to commit to the 0.7% target," she said.

The UN development goal states that governments should reach the target by 2015. Labor has committed to meet the target, but the government has not.

"Labor is committed to the 0.7% target. In the interim, the government should be spending 0.5% of GNI," Ms Plibersek said.

Millennium Development Goals
Shadow Minister Plibersek accused the government of weakening Australias commitment to the Millennium Development Goals. The goals were agreed to in 2000 by all 191 member states of the United Nations. There are 8 goals, which signatory states have committed to work towards. The eight goals are:

 * 1) Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger
 * 2) Achieve universal primary education
 * 3) Promote gender equality and empower women
 * 4) Reduce child mortality
 * 5) Improve maternal health
 * 6) Combat HIV/AIDS, malaria, and other diseases
 * 7) Ensure environmental sustainability
 * 8) Develop a global partnership for development

Ms Plibersek said that Australia signed on to the goals, but is now not honouring that commitment, and is attempting to reduce the impact of the goals in an attempt to win the favour of the United States.

"We signed on to the millennium goals," she said.

"In it's rush to be popular with the US the government went along with watering down the millennium goals"

Industrial Relations legislation
Shadow Minister Plibersek strongly criticised the governments proposed industrial relations legislation. She argued that the proposed changes will disproportionately affect already vulnerable people such as single mothers, and push working people into poverty.

"Industrial relations changes will see poverty worsen. It will increase the number of working poor," she said.

Speaking about the governments hypthetical worker, "Billy", used in promotional material, Ms Plibersek said individual workplace agreements will result in lowered working conditions for all workers. She also claimed that if a working person is paid a wage that does not provide them with enough resources to live, they will need to depend on government services such as income support, and therefore taxpayers will be subsidising the low wages.

"If Billy can not earn enough to live, then taxpayers are effectively subsidising business," she said.

"If the system has no minimum standards it will drag everyone down. Unions have fought against this for over a century"

Poverty in Australia
Ms Plibersek spoke about the problem of poverty in Australia. She said that 2.4 million people in Australia are living below the poverty line, and 1 million of them have jobs. She also argued that wealth inequality is getting worse.

"We have a nation now more divided than ever. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer," she said.

Ms Plibersek felt that this situation was unnaceptable, and that the solution was only a matter of will.

"I don't think we have to accept that people will always be poor. It is a situation we allow," she said.

She also criticised the government for inadequately funding services for the homeless, and said that many homeless people who wanted help were unable to find any. Ms Plibersek argued that women escaping domestic violence were especially affected by this situation.

"We turn away 1 in 2 people who approach homeless services for help," she said.

Ms Plibersek also condemned what the government describes as the "skills shortage", saying that there are lots of Australians willing to gain skills, but are unable to get places in training institutions.

"We turn 20,000 people away from TAFE and University each year," she said.


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Tanya's speech occurred at the University of New South Wales at 1pm on October 20 2005. I attended and took notes, most of which are transcribed below. Anything in quote marks is a direct quote. - Borofkin 05:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Kudos
thanks for covering this issue I herd about it on the news and searched the senate archives but couldnt locate the transcript great work


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Endon Mahmood, wife of Malaysian PM, dies

October 20, 2005

The wife of Adbullah Ahmad Badawi, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Datin Seri Endon Mahmood dies
The wife of Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, died in her official residence, Seri Perdana in Putrajaya, Malaysia at 7.55 a.m 20th October 2005 after battling breast cancer for three years.

Endon, 64, had recently returned from undergoing treatment in Los Angeles, America. Abdullah, Endon's mother Datin Mariam Abdullah, her two children Kamaluddin and Nori, daughter-in-law Azrene Abdullah, son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin and her four grandchildren (who are Kamaluddin's children) were by her side as she breathed her last.

Endon was buried at the Islamic Cremation Centre at Precinct 20, Putrajaya.

Reaction
As a sign of respect, several Cabinet Ministers including Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak and Information Minister Datuk Seri Abdul Kadir Sheikh Fadzir cancelled official functions. The official launch of the national jersey for the SEA Games was also called off, which was scheduled to be officiated by the deputy premier.

Radio and television stations switched to a somber mood by broadcasting songs with verses from the holy Quran. Muslim radio announcers called on listeners to offer the Al-Fatihah verse to Endon.

Senior government officers, including secretaries general and directors general, based in Putrajaya also rushed to Seri Perdana to pay their last respects.

Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, Brunei's Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, Indonesian Vice President Jusuf Kalla and Thai Deputy Prime Minister Surakiart Sathirathai were among foreign dignitaries flying in for Endon's funeral later Thursday.

Thousands of people filed past Endon's body, which lay in state wrapped in white linen on a table while Muslim clerics recited verses from the Quran.

Abdullah and Endon
Endon was respected for her humble, unassuming personality. She was popularly referred to as "Kak Endon," or "Elder Sister Endon." She discovered she had cancer in 2002 after her twin sister, Noraini, was earlier diagnosed with the disease. Noraini died in 2003.

Endon had a breast removed and traveled to the United States regularly for treatment. She returned to Malaysia from Los Angeles on Oct. 1 after five rounds of chemotherapy since July. Endon had been deeply involved in awareness programs for breast cancer, the main cause of illness-related fatalities for Malaysian women. She has said she refused to feel sorry for herself, and felt fortunate she could obtain the best medical treatment.

Endon met Abdullah while both were working at the Public Services Department in the 1960s. Since retiring in 1976, she has mainly been involved in charity work, and has spearheaded efforts to assist children in North Korea, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo.

Endon insisted she was never passionate about politics, and that she had to "slowly accept it" when Abdullah became much busier after he was elected a member of Parliament in 1978. "I must be supportive and understanding of his duties," Endon told in an interview. "I always compliment him. He will always phone when he is away and we always tell each other we love each other."

Abdullah has often called Endon his "No. 1 supporter." When his mother died of natural causes in February 2004, Abdullah telephoned Endon in the United States, where she was undergoing treatment. She later told reporters that he said: "I've lost my mother and I don't want to lose you too." Abdullah and Endon often showed public displays of affection, including hugs and kisses on each other's cheeks.

Agus Yusuff, a political scientist at the National University of Malaysia, expressed confidence that Abdullah would "not let his personal loss affect his responsibilities." "He has been mentally prepared for Endon's death for some time," Agus said. "He will bounce back and carry out his work as prime minister with his usual zest."

Aftershock
The Exco of the Malaysian's Umno Youth, Haji Mat Mazlan Abu dies in an accident at the junction of KLIA. He is on the way to visit Endon Mahmood in Putrajaya

Thousands of Malaysians, including VIPs, royalties, foreign dignitaries, paying the last respects to Datin Seri Endon Mahmood who passed away Thursday at the Prime Minister's official residence in Putrajaya


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Talk:Endon Mahmood, wife of Malaysian PM, dies

Keep this breaking for now, but it should be reformatted into a well-structured article (looks like a copy-and-paste right now). --Mrmiscellanious 10:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Please use more informative title
Remember that wikinews is written for a global audience Endon Mahmood is not a globally well-known person. So that visitors can decided whether this story is interesting or not (whether they should click through to read the article), the title should say who this person is. Maybe "Endon Mahmood, wife of Malaysian Prime-Minister, dies"? 84.203.7.190 12:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The international reader
She was one of the largest patrons of the Arts in Malaysia, funding the recent and infamous "M the opera". She was the chair of the Cultural committee and on her death, the position was assumed by her daughter.

Needs sources. I will work on it.--Tshase 02:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


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New category
It would be useful to have a category such as Category:Avian influenza. --JWSchmidt 12:31, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


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MrM. could you please clarify what you mean by "sketchy items"? I'll have a look at the story if I know what your critique is. --Wolfrider 13:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Typo
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Premiers take on Australian PM on Shoot To Kill Laws

October 20, 2005

Several of Australian State premiers and more civil libertarians have added to the growing chorus of concern over the proposed Australian Anti-Terrorism Bill, which was proposed by the Australian Prime Minister, and the State and Territory governments following the London transport bombings of July 7, which killed 56 people

Australian State Premiers Voice Dismay
The Prime Minister John Howard has been accused of adding a provision to new laws giving federal police the power to shoot to kill. The case of a Brazilian man mistakenly shot dead in London this year is cited by Western Australia's Premier Geoff Gallop as a reason for caution. He went on to say the Prime Minister misled the premiers on what laws he actually intended to introduce.

Gallop told SBS "When we went to Canberra, we agreed with the Prime Minister that changes were necessary, particularly in respect of control orders and preventative detention. But the shoot to kill policy wasn't part of the agreement and we certainly won't be supporting it in any legislation in Western Australia. To have a provision like that, I think exposes us to the sorts of risks that we saw in the UK and I don't think this is a good signal to be sending out".

The Queensland Premier Peter Beattie and Victorian Premier Steve Bracks also raised concerns about the shoot to kill provision, saying it was not in the original document agreed to by the federal and state governments.

The New South Wales (NSW) Premier Morris Iemma, went further today saying he would not put into law the proposed laws by the Federal Government.

While confiming the state's proposed anti-terrorism laws are supposed to mirror the Federal laws, NSW would not contain a shoot-to-kill provision. Iemma told The Sydney Morning Herald "We will bring forward legislation consistent with what was agreed to".

The Federal Government needs the co-operation of the states, as it is constrained in its policing powers by the Constitution.

The NSW Premier warns that if the Federal Government does not water down its proposed laws, NSW may decided to write different rules which raises the prospect that federal and state police will be operating under different rules in joint anti-terrorist operations and have different legal protections for their actions.

South Australian Premier Mike Rann is still committed to the proposals he agreed to at last month's COAG meeting in Canberra, but said they made no reference to powers to shoot-to-kill.

"I will commit right now to everything that I committed to at COAG but I won't commit to things that I haven't seen and I won't commit to things that have been put in that I didn't agree to," Mr Rann said.

Australian Federal Opposition Leader Joins Chorus
Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley, at a press conference in Melbourne said that the states already gave police powers to use deadly force, and he wants the shoot-to-kill provisions to pass through a proper parliamentary inquiry process.

"There does not need to be any additional legislation related to that ... What exists now is perfectly sufficient and it seems to me that's what Bracks and Beattie were saying," Mr Beazley told The Age.

Beazley called for a proper inquiry process in the Federal Parliament, by the parliamentary intelligence committee or its senate equivalent.

"Either way that's fine, but there needs to be an appropriate examination of these laws by that process before parliament finally deliberates on it."

Law Society Concerns
Jon McIntyre the president of the NSW Law Society, said the provision, would take away an individual's "fundamental freedoms".

Mr McIntyre told ABC radio that police would be able to get an order "without a person being reasonably suspected of committing of an offence".

McIntyre said that International examples proved arbitrary powers such as these would likely be abused.

Prime Ministers Defends the Shoot to Kill Provisions
The Prime Minister says the proposal is nothing more than formalising powers that already exist under common laws introduced by the states.

Speaking on ABC Radio's PM "I don't think there's a real conflict, because what we're proposing is not something that's new, there's always been a common law right for police officers in certain circumstances to use deadly force. Been there for centuries. And it's been codified into the law recently because there was some doubt about the exact limits of it."

He went on to say "What we are proposing in relation to preventive detention is similar to what now exists in relation to other terrorism offences, and very similar to what is in the Victorian law"

The Prime Minister is confident that he will work out the differences. Saying "I'll talk to them. I'm appreciative of the cooperation that I have received from the state premiers on this issue"

"We all know that the sad circumstances that now require unusual laws. I'm quite sure that they're in the national interest, and I am confident they will be approved by the Federal Parliament and by the state parliaments."

Other Concerns with the Bill

 * The inclusion and definition of sedition, which in the bill may include "to bring the sovereign [i.e. the Queen] into hatred or contempt", or to "urge disaffection" with the Australian Government. Australian law does not protect freedom of speech, so this proposed law may effectively outlaw criticizing the Australian Government. It may also effectively outlaw some protests.
 * The ability of judges to make decisions outside of the court system.
 * 'Recklessly' providing funds to anyone who *might* be a terrorist is an offence, punishable by life imprisonment, even if they are not a terrorist


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Where are the citizen demonstrations???
I am wondering where the Aussie men and women are? Why aren't they out in the streets demonstrating ???? anyone?..anyone? Neutralizer 14:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * We're too busy contributing to Wikinews. :-)  - Borofkin 00:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

There is no suggestion in the article that the citzens are up rising, but that leading members of the community are raising concerns of the SHOOT TO KILL provisions.

State Premiers and the Law Society

Even Liberal Back Benches - I haven't added that infomation yet

Protest on the streets are nessecary the sign of citzen concerned over the law - they are doing it by contacting their elected representives as is the normal process in a democracy

Protests on the street are usually a sign that the Polictal process has fallen apart - that isn't the case here yet, simply a debate going on - one that is quite serious - but ordely

NPOV
I flagged this as NPOV because I think there has to be far more information regarding the position of the PM and the factors that lead to the new laws. Also, on an aesthetic note, the subheadings make the page look a little ugly. Can you organize it without them? Good work so far. --Wolfrider 14:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

More of the Prime Minsters View to Come
About to Add more of the Prime Ministers Comments

Headlines separate the various voices, State, Human Rights/Law Societies/Federal Government

Work in Progress

 * Good to know. I'll put it back into development until it's finished. --Wolfrider 14:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Wolf sorry there wasn't a lot on the PM's reponse until I found the PM Interview, I hope the artical is now is impartial, as it gives him a direct quote response to the Premiers position.

 * It's alot better. Could you get quotes from groups who support the bill, other than the PM? --Wolfrider 15:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

On the issue of shoot to kill he seems to be the only one supporting it at the moment. So no not at this stage, if more support comes out yes.

Maybe the Headline need to be changed to a something that is more neutral, like

"Premiers take on Australian PM on Shoot To Kill Policy"


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American soldiers accused of desecrating enemy bodies

October 20, 2005

The Afghanistan government and the U.S. Army have begun investigations into whether burned the bodies of two suspected Taliban fighters and used the burned bodies to taunt enemy forces.

The video reportedly showing U.S. soldiers burning the bodies of suspected Taliban fighters outside the southern village of Gonbaz was shown on Australia's television network. The video was taken by Stephen Dupont, who said the burnings happened October 1 while he was embedded with the Army's 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Dupont said the incendiary messages later broadcast by the psychological operations unit showed they were aware that the cremation would be seen as desecration.

In a televised interview, Dupont told the Australian news agency that: "They [soldiers] used that as a psychological warfare, I guess you'd call it. They used the fact that the Taliban were burned facing west [toward Mecca ] . They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them. ... That's the only way they can find them."

The SBS report suggested the actions could violate the governing the treatment of enemy remains during wartime which state; "dead are honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged." The Taliban government, that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001, when U.S. led force invaded the country and ended their regime, did not recognize the Geneva Convention in their term of rule.

"We strongly condemn any disrespect to human bodies regardless of whether they are those of enemies or friends," said a Afghanistan spokesman Karim Rahimi.

"This alleged action is repugnant to our common values," U.S. Maj. Gen. Jason Kamiya said, "This command takes all allegations of misconduct or inappropriate behavior seriously and has directed an investigation into circumstances surrounding this allegation."


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Video Link?
There wouldn't happen to be a link to this video would there? It would make a good source. Good work! --Wolfrider 14:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't believe this constitutes Breaking News, as the burnings took place on the first of October and the broadcast and investigations have been happening over an extended time period. --Wolfrider 14:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The news just seems to be coming out in a big way today, from what I can tell from the sources? but perhaps you have heard about this before?? Neutralizer 15:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Nice work. This is the first time that I heard about this. Not sure that adding a video link (if available) would be appropriate and ethical. The only good reason I can see for adding the footage is if there was any doubt on the accuracy of the description. But this seems not to be the case here.--vonbergm 16:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * You have a point. I've just always appreciated the idea of having first hand accounts of everything in a news story. --Wolfrider 16:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

"Charges"?
Back to develop. There have been no charges filed, and not to mention there should be a section which describes that the Taliban government did not adhere to any international treaties, including the Geneva Convention. --Mrmiscellanious 19:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * replaced the word "charges". Since the Taliban have been out of power for years their misdeeds are no longer news; do you think in the Saddam trial story we need to add references to what Kurds or Iran did wrong in the past? Nonsense. Neutralizer 21:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Uh, what exactly would be the reason for adding information about a government removed over a year ago? the way you want to have that added (could do it yourself and publish again of course) makes it seem like doing this is right or such. 130.89.166.46 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Someone else needs to re-publish
I'll be blocked if I do it. Neutralizer 21:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Your change should take care of the concerns given. Listing Taliban crimes does not belong in this article as explained below. Taliban crimes are terrible as we all know. Listing them here would merely create the impression of comparability. There is no point in trying to compare. Therefore I will republish with the changes that have been made.--vonbergm 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

No need to add list of Taliban crimes
The crimes of the Taliban have no bearing on this article, just like the Abu Graib scandal is not related. Just because groups of people mentioned in the article have committed certain crimes does not mean that references to these crimes need to be included to achieve a "balanced" point of view. What is important is that the article provides room for the perspectives of all parties in question, which the article does.--vonbergm 21:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I never asked to put in Taliban practices, I said that I feel it would be better if we added the fact that the Taliban did not recognize the Geneva convention.  --Mrmiscellanious 21:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * and because you feel that way it can't be published? several people don't feel there is any need to involf an old government in this but because you do you can keep putting it back in publish? 130.89.166.46 21:44, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Several people"? We are not here to serve the majority.  We are here to listen to what ALL users have to say, equally.  Just because some people disagree with me doesn't mean they can ignore my concerns.  There is a huge issue with that.  I invite you, anon, to read our style guide.  Perhaps it will come in use with further contributions to our site.  --Mrmiscellanious 21:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * it's interesting that anything can become published then, because there is always anyone who doesn't agree and feels something extra needs to be added. 130.89.166.46 21:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * MrM, the fact that the Taliban did not recognize nor adhere to the Geneva Convention should have no bearing on wheather U.S. troops should do so. By adding in a reference to the Taliban here you are effectively trying to compare Taliban practices with U.S. troops conduct. This is neither useful nor does it make any sense. The point is simply to report on one particular instant. And the misconduct of Taliban should have no bearing on this act. I do not think that are you suggesting that the alleged conduct of the U.S. armed forces in this instance can be justified even partially by Taliban misconduct. This would go against all rules set by the U.S. armed forces and the administration and would openly undermine any claim to moral high-ground.

 * If you're trying to incite a discussion, I'm out. I suggested the tidbit of information relating to the mentioned Geneva Convention, but for some reason you do not want it in the article?  I certainly believe that it is relatable to the article and topic at hand.  --Mrmiscellanious 00:08, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I was merely trying to address your concerns.--vonbergm 01:38, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Hussein enters "not guilty" plea at trial

Looks like I accidently doubled the article. We both must have been moving it at the same time. I'll nominate Hussein pleads "not guilty" for speedy deletion. Nevermind. I'm tired and confuzzled. --Wolfrider 15:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

If he doesn't recognise the court, why does he enter a plea? www.danon.co.uk 200510220847 UTC

The speach of Saddam seems to be distorted heavily in the press. Here is what I came across on that same day (in a web forum, so is not traceable) :

''Saddam: I don't recognise the group that gave you the authority and assigned you. Aggression is illegitimate and what is built on illegitimacy is illegitimate.''

Neither can confirm, nor rebut the authencity. However to rule so long is impossible for an imbecile. It may well happen as with Slobodan Miloshevic (thinks in Hague are not doing very well).


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Talk:Arrest warrant issued for Tom DeLay

Some actual quotes from Delay would improve the article. Another source which the author might find useful:

 * Not clear that the above link helps in this context. The link is about the indictment, this story is about the arrest. I have not seen any comments by DeLay or his lawyers on the arrest, but I agree that it would add to the story if someone can dig up any.--vonbergm 16:31, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Just thought it might be helpful to provide some background information on DeLay's stance. On the off chance that this is the first time someone is reading the story. --Wolfrider 16:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Guess you are right. It did not occur to me that someone might not have heard about the story at all, but a quick search of WikiNews turned up very little on the recent (past April) development of the story.--vonbergm 16:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The story is coming along well. I want to have the arrest warrant framed. Or perhaps tatooed on my bottom. --Wolfrider 17:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


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