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Talk:'Gouge' found on wing of Space Shuttle Endeavour

Moisture on lens
I watched the liftoff and saw the water flying on the camera lens. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There should be a mention that this is STS-118, and what the heck this shuttle is doing up in space. Without it, there is a lack of context. 130.89.169.27 11:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"If the damage is found to be irreversible and cannot be fixed, the crew of Endeavour would stay on the ISS. NASA says that supplies would last until a rescue mission could be launched October 8 by sending up what would be the last remaining shuttle of the fleet, Discovery."

This is NOT correect ... Atlantis would also be left ... There would be 2 remaining

 * Fixed. WODU P  11:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Misleading
This "news report" bothers me for a number of reasons. First of all, the area in question is not "on the wing", It is on the underside (belly) of the orbiter, which covers both wings, and the belly. The area in question is on the starboard wing side of the underside of the orbiter, and thus, not the same type of damage received by Columbia (i.e. not leading-edge tiles). Per CBS News: This is "not a Columbia class problem. They had a four-to-six-inch hole in the leading edge of the lift wing that destroyed the ship on re-entry. What we're talking about here is a very small pit in the belly of the shuttle and the area that's gone down close to the skin of the orbiter is only a tenth of an inch by an inch so it's much smaller damage than Columbia had."

NASA Quote:

"I did poll the team and it was still unanimous that there was no change in the thought process. If we were in a significant emergency case we would feel comfortable deorbiting this vehicle. However, not being in an emergency case, we're going to proceed very methodically, understand exactly what we have and go get the vehicle in the best configuration we can for re-entry." - John Shannon, Deputy Manager of NASA's Space Shuttle Program, and Chairman of NASA's Mission Management Team:

Even the ABC article referenced in this news item states clearly both of those points.

I would prefer to see references from CBS News, which are much less "sensationalistic" and don't jump all over stories for headlines, Bill Harwood has been reporting space missions for decades, and is one of the most neutral, unbiased reporters out there. I cannot say the same for Ms. Sunseri, she nearly always asks questions designed to get "sensationalistic" headlines at press conferences, or questions with the aim of getting "worst case" scenarios. Both of these practices are not only bad form, but they are not in keeping with NASA's careful, methodical, meticulous process regarding any issues in space.

I would encourage the wording of this article to be changed to reflect the accurate details, and the headline most certainly is misleading and should be changed. Ariel ♥ Gold 20:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * NASA states the heatshield damage is under the starboard wing of the shuttle. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Imagine the shuttle in your head: Now, turn it upside down. Nearly 2/3 of it will be "under a wing". However, there is a huge difference; the entire thermal protection system used on the underside of an orbiter is vastly different than that used on the wing. The top and leading edge of the wing, and the underside of the orbiter are distinctly different areas. If you'd like me to provide you with technical drawings of the orbiter's TPS I'd be happy to do so, but the title of the article is still incorrect and not factual in its current wording "found on wing". Ariel ♥ Gold 07:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. Here is where the 'big gouge' is and then some more. The 'gouges' are on the underside of the starboard wing. The heatshield is only on the underside of the shuttle. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, you're most incorrect in saying that the " The heatshield is only on the underside of the shuttle."

"The thermal protection system consists of various materials applied externally to the outer structural skin of the orbiter to maintain the skin within acceptable temperatures, primarily during the entry phase of the mission." - NASA

The entire orbiter is covered in a heat shield, comprised of a variety of materials. The underside of the orbiter is the only part that is comprised of HRSI tiles, rather than RCC tiles, but the entire orbiter is protected from the extremely high heat of re-entry with a heat shield.

I would direct you to read that article you cited again: Nowhere does it say the damage is "on the wing". In fact, it specifically says "the belly", which as I explained, is a vastly different area. They even show an image of the shuttle's underside, which shows clearly that the damaged area is not "on" the wing, in fact is is near the center of the underside of the orbiter.

I'm sure this is simply a matter of knowledge about the design of the shuttle, as it appears you aren't well versed in the shuttle technical details. I'm not trying to sound mean, but it does bother me that you're so intent on arguing, rather than realize that some people may know more than you do on some subjects, and go do your own research given the suggestions offered to you. The article's title is incorrect and misleading, damage to the wing, and damage to the underside of the orbiter are completely different things. Sadly, I doubt I'll continue to bother with this; while I do feel it should be changed, I also realize when it is pointless to continue to try to explain something, and sadly, you do not seem interested in changing it to reflect facts.

I would also urge you to get your space related news from CBS News Space, or NASA's press page rather than sites such as USA Today, which are neither neutral, nor well-educated in their reporting. Bill Harwood reports for CBS and has done so for decades, and is one of the most neutral, fact-based reporters to cover the shuttle program.Ariel ♥ Gold 18:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Human Rights Torch Relay Night held in Taiwan

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This article is translated mostly from Chinese Wikinews, if there's any problem, please contact me. Brock contact... 05:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the article on the Chinese Wikinews OR? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Surely right, the activity organizer told me they didn't prepare any news release, but prepared some information about this night declaration activity, also, you might see http://cipfg.org/ for more. Currently the organizer didn't accept any press or media to register for receiving information from the organizer. Brock contact... 06:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Iranian Islamic police raid concert arresting 230

POV and diversity
I don't think this is the most important of Iran during these days. There have been a lot of political news for sure and collecting such thses news make a POV for total news of wikinews. Wikinews is so weak yet and can't escape a compulsary POV problems in diversity of news up to....???. --Soroush 07:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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Internet posting says al-Qaeda plans dirty bomb attack in New York City

August 11, 2007 A posting on the internet has stated that al-Qaeda is planning a dirty bomb attack on New York City, New York (NYC) in the United States.

In a statement to the press, NYC police stated that the posting was an "unverified radiological threat" against New York City. Police also stated that the city's threat level will remain at "orange" and will not be changed. NYC police have also stepped up security at bridges, tunnels and subways as a precaution.

Debka.com or DEBKAfile, an Israeli website, was claiming the that they picked up the threat by "a rush of electronic chatter on al Qaeda sites Thursday, Aug. 8." DEBKA also claims that one of the threats states that "trucks loaded with radio-active material [will be used] against America’s biggest city and financial nerve center."

The site also claims that other cities such as Miami, Florida and Los Angeles, California as targets for dirty bomb attacks.

No date or time has been reported for the attack. On August 2, a terrorist advertisement posted on the internet by the As-Sahab propaganda campaign for al-Qaeda, warned of a coming "big surprise." No date was specified for that claim either.


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Tony Wilson dies

August 11, 2007

, journalist and record label owner, died of a heart attack on the 10th August, after receiving treatment for cancer.

He died at the Christie Hospital, aged 57 and is survived by his partner, Yvette Livesey.

Wilson was receiving private medical treatment due to the recommended drug,, not being available through the publicly funded National Health Service. Wilson's treatment was being funded by former music industry friends.

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Home video captures alleged UFOs in Haiti

August 11, 2007 A video has surfaced on the website LiveLeak.com that shows what appears to be more than a dozen Unidentified flying objects (UFOs) in a Haitian neighborhood.

The video was reportedly filmed on August 6 and was uploaded to LiveLeak on August 10, then hosted on YouTube.com. It is not known who filmed the alleged UFOs. Wikinews has attempted to contact the uploader of the video by e-mail, but has not yet received a response.

The beginning of the video appears to show two large UFOs flying over a woman who is taping the objects with a video camera. The objects, shaped like flowers when viewed from the ground, make a faint roaring noise as they pass over. They continue to fly towards a mountain range where they fly in formation to meet up with what look likes to be more than 12 other UFOs. The video then stops.

One website is dubbing the video as a fake, saying that it's using Computer-generated imagery (CGI). One image on the website AboveTopSecret.com claims that the images of palm trees in one snapshot of the video are multiple copies of a single template. Another examination apparently shows that the UFOs are pasted in over the video.


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Talk:Home video captures alleged UFOs in Haiti

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I first heard the report on the radio on WBEN 930 AM. I then went to LiveLeak and watched it to decribe the events. Nothing on the website of WBEN yet. Also I read into the threads that is posted as the first source, AboveTopSecret.com to get the NPOV of the calim it is CGI. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't an "alleged UFO" a tautology? Unless the allegation is that they were something more specific than unidentified flying objects... Or if it's supposed to mean that the video could be CGI shouldn't the title read "Home video allegedly catches UFOs in Haiti", or something? Better yet, how's this news anyway? As long as it's indistinguishable from a CGI prank, it shouldn't be taken seriously IMO. Strongly suggest removing, this kind of stuff just undermines Wikinews. 88.112.226.95 13:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

A featured story?!? You have got to be kidding me. 88.112.226.95 15:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Clips from the film: this is a rather poor quality hoax
hi everyone, i know that in the northern hemisphere it's holiday time, but surely this is a bit ridiculous as a wikinews story. Am i really the first person to have looked at the video and opened it up?

 * wget http://cdn-69.liveleak.com/liveleak/14/media14/2007/Aug/10/LiveLeak-dot-com-104868-13ae.flv
 * mkdir ufoimages && cd ufoimages && mplayer -vo jpeg LiveLeak-dot-com-104868-13ae.flv
 * use xzgv to browse through the individual images
 * use the GIMP to zoom in and/or change the colour map

 * zooms on images 560, 660 and 190 are here: http://samizdat.axxs.org/184
 * This image says nothing to disprove anything. Frankly, I don't know how you did what you did, but for all I know, your photo editing program altered any real evidence. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You do know how i did what i did. i described it above precisely, except for the image viewer (xzgv) and zooming/cutting out method (gimp), which i've pasted up here from below. mplayer is a free software program in the sense of the GPL (cf the GFDL) so you can easily reproduce the exact process i used. mplayer is not a photo editing program. However, i did use the GIMP to change the scale and zoom in and then cut out a close up. This is not a highly interventionist process. i'm sure you could use it with non-free software such as photoshop if you wished. The only image modified in any significant sense is the one where i indicated i changed the colour curve (and it's fairly obvious). Boud 08:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

 * image 660 is here: http://samizdat.axxs.org/184#id185 in the original (liveleak version) and i've changed the colour curve for version http://samizdat.axxs.org/184#id186
 * Again, nothing here to tell me that you prove a hoax. And same as above, I don't know that your editing program changed the image. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Try looking up the definition of free software. i used free software. You can use the software yourself and you can read the source code and you can legally analyse and discuss how the software works. Boud 08:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the rectangular shapes in image 560 could conceivably be part of the flix engine/flash compression used by liveleak or the author (the first few hundred bytes of the file state "FlixEngineWindows_8.0.8.2 (www.on2.com)"), though decide for yourself from the version with the changed colour curve.

But 660 clearly shows "simulated" rectangles pasted into a smooth sky. and 190 show high resolution patches (rectangles) in the flix engine/flash version of the video (the one on liveleak) which seem to be unusually badly inconsistent with the low resolution (big pixels) background relative to closeups of other flash videos. (comment updated Boud 09:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC))

This analysis, of course, counts as original research, but anyone with a GNU/Linux system can make the same analysis him/herself.

Boud 23:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you prove any of this? One we have one photo in the article, not the whole video. The Video is only linked in the article. I am NOT an expert in video and I asked other on other Wikimedia projects to analyze the footage if they were experts or such. No one is or has at least shown me documentation that they are experts opr qualified to examine a video. I m not prepared to accept your alterations of the images as fact and I am also not saying the video is fact. But no one, yet has proven 1) That it is a hoax, although it likely is, prove it. I call on qualified individuals to analyze the video. Not a beginner. If you are not qualified then I see no reason to believe your actions are true. 2) People keep saying this is an "viral" ad for Halo 3. Prove it. Show me some links or documents. Do not come here and spam wikinews with the movie title because it make it look like you are advertising the film. I never once said that these are UFOs. I never said they were not. But until I credible evidence of a sort, from qualified individuals, then none of those images above mean a thing. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are three different images extracted from the video on http://samizdat.axxs.org/184. i have not altered the images except for the one image with a changed colour curve and for zooming in and cutting out. 1) The sequence of steps i described is fully described and repeatable with publicly available free software. 2) Whether or not it's a viral ad is not something i've put in the article. i really haven't got the foggiest. It could easily be just someone having a bit of fun, or it could be the CIA testing to see how gullible wikinews people are and to know what sort of quality they need in fake movies in order to achieve objectives of US foreign policy through propaganda methods. But these are just wild speculations, i haven't put them in the article. 3. i didn't write the movie title - you're getting confused between me and someone else. Have a look at what i've reverted: the key word is "suggested" - it's not a formal proof. Boud 08:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Use xzgv to browse through the individual images and the GIMP to zoom in and/or change the colour map. i have no idea if non-free software like photoshop can do the same things, but free software (as in free speech) certainly makes analysis easy.

 * Here's another image: http://samizdat.axxs.org/184#id188 The "distant" ufo in the bottom-right hand corner really looks a bit ridiculous in this zoom, and the sharp boundary between pasted sky and background sky under the big ufo really doesn't look terribly convincing IMHO... If this is viral advertising for some CGI rather than someone just having good fun, then the CGIers still need to do a bit more work... Boud 01:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Viral Advertising
I heard this was viral advertising for halo 3, could someone look into this?
 * Many say that. But yet no one on Wikinews, Digg, YouTube, or LiveLeak have provided anythign to suggest that it is an ad. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Proof?
I am reposting what I said above.

Can anyone prove any of these claims? For one, we have one photo in the article, not the whole video. The Video is only linked in the article. Do not go discrediting Wikinews for somethnig we are only reporting on and we also NEVER said it wasn't a hoax. I am NOT an expert in video and I asked other on other Wikimedia projects to analyze the footage if they were experts or such. No one is or has at least shown me documentation that they are experts or qualified to examine a video. I m not prepared to accept your alterations of the images as fact and I am also not saying the video is fact. But no one, yet has proven 1) That it is a hoax, although it likely is, prove it. I call on qualified individuals to analyze the video. Not a beginner. If you are not qualified then I see no reason to believe your actions are true. 2) People keep saying this is an "viral" ad for Halo 3. Prove it. Show me some links or documents. Do not come here and spam wikinews with the movie title because it make it look like you are advertising the film. I never once said that these are UFOs. I never said they were not. But until I credible evidence of a sort, from qualified individuals, then none of those images above mean a thing. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, there are sources. There are links and videos all over. Thus IS news, and IS written according to Style guide. So please do not add tags to articles without stating why on the talk pages. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

 * As i said above, the steps for doing the analysis using free software are listed above. If you have any of the standard GNU/Linux binary distributions, you can install these packages in a matter of a few minutes if you have a reasonable internet connection. No great expertise is needed to do this. BTW, it's not me who quoted a particular title for the viral advertising hypothesis.
 * On the topic of proof, i don't see any proof whatsoever that the video is from Haiti except for the title. Something like "Home video catches alleged UFOs in palm tree cloning grove allegedly in Haiti" would probably be better, since it would reflect the fact that the palm trees are essentially clones of each other in the projection plane of the film. Maybe a link to palm tree cloning experiments in Haiti would also increase the credibility of the story. Boud 10:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I stated above that I would expect a qualified individual to make a determination. Are you qualified? There should be a second opinion from someone with a history of editing image manipulation software pages on Wikipedia - e.g. people who maintain the Gimp page. Or from someone who has the expertise and qualifications to make an analysis. I am not ready to believe an analysis  "by an occasional wikinews reporter." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also...No offense to you or your reporting skills, but you are just as an uncredible source as the person who made the video. If there are more qualified persons to make a credible judgment, I am all ears. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * DragonFire1024, the man has clearly stated the process he used, and the freely available tools he used, to make his analysis, so claiming he isn't the expert you want to hear from is entirely besides the point. He's not making an obscure "expert" claim, he is simply saying what he saw an how he judged it.  And I think everybody now understands that you don't believe his judgement, so you can stop repeating that.  In fact, I suggest we all try to be constructive.  If you need help reproducing the analysis, just ask.  There are plenty of open-source experts here :)  Just my $0.02. Dusik 14:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Alleged UFO equals UFO
UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, which means it's something flying, but we don't know what. Saying it's an alleged UFO means it's allegedly unidentified, but we know it's unidentified. - 171.159.64.10 19:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Not entirely true. There is a high probability that this video could be faked, in that case there wasn't actually a UFO, the video just alleges that to be the case. Adambro 20:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Internet posting says al-Qaeda plans dirty bomb attack in New York City

What does the text of the Flag of al-Qaeda say?
 * I don't know, but it's a good question. I'll try and find the answer. Thunderhead - (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


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So..where's the video?
 * here. Listed in the sources. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * watch out for borrowwed films -24.125.54.105 10:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Not real.
This is bullshit.
 * One day they'll make a movie about you, Detective McObvious.
 * As long as I get paid for it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is viral marketing for a new movie
 * A lot of people say that. Do you have proof of this? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

A video of CG UFO's posted on youtube is not news.
 * Again. Can you prove that its CG? Are you an expert? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Probability of this video actually depicting real UFOs
is actually close to 0, therefor it should not be news. Is it possible that those vessels travelled >20ly to show off? Or is it possible that some geniuses over at Microsoft computer generated those (Halo-) vessels to hype? Yeah, no, I'll stick with the alien-hillbilly theory. Yee haw.
 * Never said it was real. But this is the last time I am going to ask: if this is a "viral" advertsiement, prove it. Otherwise stop spamming that movie around Wikinews. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Youtube Pulling the original video?
Anyone want to comment on someone saying on the Youtube site under the comments on the video that the original was removed by Youtube for unknown reasons. Captainamerica 17:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I too have noticed that as well. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Same UFO different video
The title of this video says that it's from Dominican Republic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mos9-LReoWQ. If you watch at the end the same UFO appear as in the one from Haiti.

Haiti UFO's
It is very good. If it were a hoax, it could be that it may be a promotion for LiveLeak.com which is a beta YouTube look-alike. I have not heard of LiveLeak before this so it did its job for me. I was very impressed with the video though. The tops of palm trees looks similar but are not exactly the same. You can see some palm fronds moving up and down too, possibly due to the UFO downdraft? I wonder if there are other eyewitness reports from the public.

OMG! Looks very real!

This is fake, it's promo for HALO 3 which is coming out soon.

By the way, here is a video debunking this YouTube vid. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b47_1186858058&c=1

Should not have made main page
It's like taking a piece from Armageddon and saying the White House has been blown up. Yes there's no proof that it's fake, but if you watch the video it's obvious that the "ships" are CGI. Definitely dumbing down of Wikinews. 86.219.192.153 19:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed.--70.74.80.112 04:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

UFO's!!!
I stringly believe that we are not the only life-forms in the universe, from the picture I can not say if I believe the article or not however I do believe that is is not inpossible. Think about it.
 * Whether or not there is other life in the universe,this video is not newsworthy, IMO. Also, proper spelling can quite a bit to one's credibility. Think about it.

Fake?
The video has already been proven false in a video to respond to the one posted. The top of the trees have been matched and they are identical to other trees in UFO sightings. As well, these trees can be found in a 3D rendering program Vue6. Although it has not been confirmed, the renders of the tree shown are exactly the same as the ones in the video.

Comments from feedback form - "yay!!"
yay!! —70.68.2.90 (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


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what's the NHS? National Health System? Needs clarifying. --Nzgabriel | Talk 10:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no mention of what country the deceased was from. The title needs to explain who this person is, too. There must be thousands of Tony Wilsons. --SVTCobra 16:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I 2nd that. I had no idea who this guy was until I read the story, and the only reason I followed the link in the first place was because its unusual to see this level (read: low) of journalism on wikinews. Wrc wolfbrother 17:00, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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Mother, child found dead in Minneapolis collapse site

August 11, 2007

Hana Sahal, a 22-year-old nursing student from Somalia, and her nearly two-year-old daughter were found dead after the collapse of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis. Sahal was five months pregnant. With other remains discovered Friday, the death toll from the collapase is now at least nine.

Sahal died due to head injuries caused by the bridge's collapse. Omar Jamal, the director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center said that authorities informed Sahal's family of the death on Friday.

Minneapolis received US$5 million in emergency aid the morning after the disaster, and a further $5 million was secured by Minnesota's congressional delegation to set up alternative transportation options for motorists.

According to authorities, all remains that have been found have been identified, although there still may be people trapped in the bridge.


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2007/08 German Bundesliga: New boys send Bayern to top of table

August 11, 2007Munich, Germany

The 69,000 capacity crowd at the Allianz Arena of football (soccer) fans watched Bayern pummel the Rostock goal to go top of the table.

The match was academic after Klose's 66th minute goal when Rostock keeper Stefan Wächter spilled a Philipp Lahm shot and when he also took his career 1.Bundesliga total to 99 goals with a header in the 85th minute.

The victory gave Bayern an early advantage over Stuttgart, Schalke and Werder Bremen, who finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd respectively last season.

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Ottmar Hitzfeld: “We’ve delivered the goods today. After Monday’s game in Burghausen, we knew the dangers posed by so-called underdogs, and Rostock have won three times in Munich in the past. We were very focused from the start, but there were four or five breaks where we saw that Hansa can play football. We gave them too much space, and I wasn’t pleased by that. The second half wasn’t easy either, because we didn’t get the second goal until late on. I’m delighted the risk with Toni worked out. He was a constant threat, and his presence also made Klose more effective. It’s good when strikers get off the mark in the first match, it takes the pressure off.“

Miroslav Klose: “It was pretty good stuff for the first match, but no more than that. My partnership with Luca Toni’s already working very well. I hope we can keep it up, but we’ve got to do more with our chances, and work harder as a unit when we lose possession.“

Luca Toni: “I haven’t been able to train with the team a great deal, but I really feel at home here. I believe things are going to go well. Obviously, it’s fantastic playing alongside Miroslav Klose, you’ve got to be delighted at having a partner as good as him.“

Frank Pagelsdorf (Hansa Rostock): “Our school report for today would have noted that we were present. Bayern thoroughly deserved the margin of victory. We came here with big plans, but we couldn’t put them into action. We let them play far too much football, especially down the flanks in the second half.“


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Talk:Canadian power worker says grid is 'String of Christmas Lights that’s been Running Since the 1950s'

I am a Canadian journalist and writer and this story comes directly from an interview that I did with grid expert Donald McCormick, a senior contractor for Hydro One based in Ontario, Canada. Although this story only uses one significant source, Mr. McCormick's qualifications, as cited in the article, more than qualify him to make this assessment of the continental power grid. He is available for comment upon request. Since I am the interviewer and writer of this story, I hold all associated or related copyrights under international law.

Please do not delete this article for copyright infrigement related reasons, or due to reasons associated with the strength of the source. His qualifications are well documented.

Disinformation Today @ Blogspot.com
I am the legal owner and contributor for this blog. I have the full right and authority to publish any content from my blog to newswires and/or any other electronic forums that I so choose. Please do not delete this article for copyright infrigements.
 * if this is so then please leave a comment to this effect on your blog using you account. thanks--Mark Talk to me 20:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Disinformation Today Copyright Notice
As per the request of admin, I have posted permission directly on my blog to post this item as well as anything else I publish on my blog, now or in the future.

Single source adequate due to nature of article; breaking comments from a certified expert in the industry with two decades experience.
Admin Says:

''This article has been nominated for editorial cleanup, that is, an editor considers it not to be publishable in its current form. The following reason has been cited: "still needs more changes - could be shorter, needs headings for the sources etc. see tlk page for more".''

The article is as short as possible considering that specific quotes and information learned from the original interview must be made public in order for this story to be considered "news". Article has been edited several times changing, streaming sentences and removing as many words as possible.

As for the article having only one source, that's because Mr. McCormick the first person brave enough to step forward and describe what he sees happening to our power generating infrastructure. This is breaking news if you consider what's being said, the qualifications of the person making the remarks, and people simply have a right to know when people like Mr. McCormick have comments.

Power Grid to be discussed by Canadian Premiers at Frederickton, NB meeting on August 15, 2007
This particular article is even more relevant due to the very recent special interest being given by the Prime Minister and the Canadian Premiers into the subject. The website ViveLaCanada.com posted an article on this very matter on August 5, 2007.

Article is being critiqued by various admins, all with seemingly different ideas about how to clean up this article.
This article has been published to the main page and removed three separate times now, each time because a new editor has new ideas. Fair enough, but with all due respect this article has been significantly edited, cleaned, and grammer has been changed to conform to site standards. The original version was more editorial in its style, while this final draft is streamlined, less wordy, journalism is completely neutral. Mr. McCormick's bias was based on his extensive qualifications, decades of experience, and expertise in many spectrums of the industry.

Please refer to ealier talk notes regarding copyright issues, ownership of Disinformation Today, and to earlier histories of the article. It's content can't be shortened anymore because the expert's direct quotes must remain, and anything else is neutral and required to form the article. If any admin wants to make any changes, please feel free. Otherwise, please give more specific instructions for changes to this particular article and I will be pleased to act further.

'''It's important to review all the talk page notes before publishing, unpublishing, publishing, unpublishing... I have no problem conforming, but I would appreciate more input from admin in this matter.'''

Changes to article on my Disinformation Today Blog reflect changes in the final draft
Posting this article here has been a learning experience that I am thankful. All my future articles to be posted here will conform to this site's standards. To avoid confusion, I decided to re-post my blog entry to match the final draft of this article posted on Wikinews. On my blog only, I will post a new follow up entry tomorrow with additional commentary about the evolution of this piece from an editorial to a compelling breaking news article.

'''Admin:

Please note, this article is not "lifted" from my blog, but rather my blog conforms to the final draft of this article as per stated above.'''
 * We really prefer the work and notes to be here, it greatly facilitates checking by other Wikinewsies. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Concerns
--SVTCobra 16:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) NPOV: This is a very opinionated piece. I know it is an interview, but it seems at lot of statements from this person McCormick are taken as fact. Has there been any fact checking?
 * 2) Interview: if this were a Wikinews interview, notes would be required, such as a list of questions and answers, or a video/audio recording of the interview. Is posting this on a blog first a way to circumvent such requirements? I hope not, especially when said blog calls itself Disinformation. How can we know that this interview took place at all?
 * 3) Copyright: JoeBurd may have said that it ok to post his stories on Wikinews, but is he aware of the implications of CC-BY-2.5.


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I read a lot of news articles and stuff from a variety of sources, so I'm here to make sure things are sourced, do formatting and stuff. To be honest I'm not totally confident in the use of a wiki for news announcements though. Tyciol 21:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Canadian Expert Compares North American Power Grid to “String of Christmas Lights that’s been Running Since the 1950s”/Temp

I am a Canadian journalist and writer and this story comes directly from an interview that I did with grid expert Donald McCormick, a senior contractor for Hydro One based in Ontario, Canada. Although this story only uses one significant source, Mr. McCormick's qualifications, as cited in the article, more than qualify him to make this assessment of the continental power grid. He is available for comment upon request. Since I am the interviewer and writer of this story, I hold all associated or related copyrights under international law.

Please do not delete this article for copyright infrigement related reasons, or due to reasons associated with the strength of the source. His qualifications are well documented.

Disinformation Today @ Blogspot.com
I am the legal owner and contributor for this blog. I have the full right and authority to publish any content from my blog to newswires and/or any other electronic forums that I so choose. Please do not delete this article for copyright infrigements.
 * if this is so then please leave a comment to this effect on your blog using you account. thanks--Mark Talk to me 20:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Disinformation Today Copyright Notice
As per the request of admin, I have posted permission directly on my blog to post this item as well as anything else I publish on my blog, now or in the future.

Single source adequate due to nature of article; breaking comments from a certified expert in the industry with two decades experience.
Admin Says:

''This article has been nominated for editorial cleanup, that is, an editor considers it not to be publishable in its current form. The following reason has been cited: "still needs more changes - could be shorter, needs headings for the sources etc. see tlk page for more".''

The article is as short as possible considering that specific quotes and information learned from the original interview must be made public in order for this story to be considered "news". Article has been edited several times changing, streaming sentences and removing as many words as possible.

As for the article having only one source, that's because Mr. McCormick the first person brave enough to step forward and describe what he sees happening to our power generating infrastructure. This is breaking news if you consider what's being said, the qualifications of the person making the remarks, and people simply have a right to know when people like Mr. McCormick have comments.

Power Grid to be discussed by Canadian Premiers at Frederickton, NB meeting on August 15, 2007
This particular article is even more relevant due to the very recent special interest being given by the Prime Minister and the Canadian Premiers into the subject. The website ViveLaCanada.com posted an article on this very matter on August 5, 2007.


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User talk:Joe Burd

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!--Mark Talk to me 21:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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Copyright
Please see the comments on the talk pages of the articles you are writing re copyright. --Mark Talk to me 21:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Markie for your guidance and assistance in this particular. Referred to article talk pages (original & temp) and followed your instructions about clarifying the copyright on my article. Please refer to all relevant article talk pages and your own user talk page for details. --Joe Talk to me 05:22, 12 August 2007 (EST)

 * yup this all looks to have cleared up. thanks for adding the clarification on the blog - we have to be carefull with copyright and hope you understand.  welcome to wikinews.  --Mark Talk to me 15:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey there.
Just a quick note to let you know that I saw your edit. You should know that the tag doesn't need to be anywhere in particular in the article; top or bottom, it does the same thing.

Thanks for your contributions! irid:t 01:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Sen. Larry Craig Suddenly Decides He's Innocent of Lewd Conduct
Hey,

It is best to get others review before publishing - this article fails several of the criteria in the Style guide. It's nothing major, but they have to be fixed before publishing. I will fix up some of them now, but until then, I have removed the publish tag and replaced it with develop. Thanks! TheFearow 22:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I have fixed the major errors, and will re-publish. You can see what I changed here. Thanks! TheFearow 22:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Wikinews Bulletin/Editors

The following users have edited the Wikinews Bulletin:

 * Daniel - Issue I
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 * Thunderhead - Issue II, Issue III, Issue IV, Issue V, Issue VI
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Talk:2007/08 German Bundesliga: New boys send Bayern to top of table

This article is incomprehensible. It gives no indication as to what sport is being played. The author/s is too caught up in their parochial enthusiasm for whatever it is they are writing about to realise that many, if not most, readers may not have the same cultural and geographical background. --121.44.8.73 01:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

And where would be a good place to insert this info? Kingjeff 01:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

CAT to be added
editprotected Please add CAT:Bundesliga to the article 14.139.242.195 (talk) 05:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Imho the league cat is likely more useful if reserved for more strongly league-related news. --Pi zero (talk) 15:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


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User:MartiniMan

Please view my userpage on Wikipedia here.

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User talk:MartiniMan

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Thunderhead - (talk) 06:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
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Main Page v2
I like it! It's really cool and looks neater than the current one. If you don't mind could you help me and a few others revamp Portal:Football. We would like a new design/layout than the current one. Reply on my talk page. Celticfan383 04:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * On a side note, for main page redesigns in your userspace, please remove category portal, add category sandbox. You can keep or remove category no publish, it really doesn't matter. thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Kinderjazz~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Thunderhead - (talk) 07:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Kinderjazz. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Kinderjazz~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:US stocks surge, Dow Jones index reaches record

Request to insert an interwiki link
Hello, I've translated this article into french. Please could a sysop insert the link : Les stocks américains augmentent rapidement, l'indice Dow Jones atteint des records in the article please ? Thank you in advance Grimlock 11:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
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User talk:Çidaway

Tony Wilson dies
Do not move this article to imply incorrectly that Wikipedia:User:Tony Sidaway or someone else by that name has died. The article clearly is about the death of a man named Tony Wilson. Adambro 13:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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US Presidential elections: Mitt Romney wins Iowa straw poll

August 12, 2007 Massachusetts Governor and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney won a recent straw poll in Iowa, gaining 31.6 percent of the votes, with Mike Huckabee following with 18.1 percent.

John Cox finished the Republican straw poll in last place, ending with less than 0.5 percent of the vote.

Over 14,000 valid ballots were cast in the straw poll, which was conducted by the Iowa Republican Party.

Earlier, a malfunctioning voting machine used in the Iowa straw poll forced at least 1,500 ballots to be counted by hand.


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Comments:Tornado touches down in New York City

Do any photographs of the actual tornado exist?

The tornado is recorded to have touched down in Brooklyn. Brooklyn is NOT N Y City. There is no documentation of a tornado landing in New York CITY. The tornado and storm in New York City impacted it adversely.


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Wikinews interviews: Tony Benn on U.K. politics

August 12, 2007

Tony Benn, at 82 is a still an active political figure, attending rallies and giving speeches. During the 1970s he served under James Callaghan as Energy Secretary, having earlier held the position of Secretary of State for Industry under Harold Wilson.

After a number of attempts to contact Mr Benn via email, he forwarded a telephone number for the purpose of doing an interview. Following a brief discussion to explain who or what Wikinews is, and its relation with Wikipedia, Wikinews reporter Brian McNeil started putting the questions. Mr Benn speaks at length on a variety of topics, this is the first article from this extended interview covering his views on New Labour and U.K. politics.

Contrasting the situation between Tony Benn's time in government and the Tony Blair years Wikinews asked "In the last 12 years the Labour party had one leadership election which was...ceremonial. In 76-88 they had three, two that you stood in. Which do you think is better? Regular, or a 'strong man' leader that isn't challenged?"

 * I think in 1997 any Labour leader would've won the election because the people wanted a change but what made 1997 different was that the British establishment didn't want a change, they wanted Mrs. Thatcher's policies to be continued and Blair gave an assurance that he would, in economic terms, follow her lead. He said, New Labour is a new political party and when Mrs. Thatcher was asked her greatest achievement, she said "New Labour". Therefore, the Labour victories in 97 [...] Blair victories have not really been Labour victories, they've been victories for a party that based so much of its polices on the Thatcher inheritance. And that's why I'm not a member of New Labour.

Wikinews asked about Tony Benn's opinion of Gordon Brown, the United Kingdom's new Prime Minister.

 * Gordon Brown's roots are in the Labour movement, which Blair's were not. He understands the history of Labour movement, he is very much committed to market forces and globalisation but he's a son of the manse and he's entitled to a honeymoon and I think his early start has been very interesting. He's distanced himself discreetly from President Bush. When he went to see Bush, Bush praised him and he praised the United States of America, which is an important thing and he choose to make his big speech at the United Nations about Darfur and now the paper today, I don't know if that is true, suggest that British troops will be withdrawn from Iraq soon, I hope that is true. He's also made one or two very interesting constitutional proposals which would give greater power to parliament rather than be a presidential system and [...] also he's made a request today for the return of all the British residents who've been detained in Guantanamo Bay. So my instinct is to give him a good start and the main thing is - Blair has gone - and I must admit, that is such a development, such an important development that my inclination is to try and give Gordon Brown an opportunity.

Wikinews asked if Tony Benn believed the U.K. should withdraw from Iraq.

 * Oh yes. Well according to the papers today, it looks as if Brown may be planning to do that on the basis of the military advice he has received from the British general. But that's, I hope that's true, but it isn't confirmed.
 * Well I think the contribution that Blair made to Bush was to pretend, help him to pretend that this was an international force, a coalition of the willing, where as if Britain refused to go in it would have been seen as a Vietnam and I think to that extent, Blair gave Bush what he wanted. Bush didn't get, want...or need British troops, but he wanted British political support and he got it. And I think that political support is ending.


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Talk:Wikinews interviews: Tony Benn on U.K. politics

This is intended to be the first in a series of articles extracting information from a 40 minute interview with Tony Benn, please refer to this page and associated talk for details. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Grammatical/spelling mistake: thats --> that's (in last blurb of quotation on tha page). Thanks. 24.85.1.205 01:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 01:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


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Russian polar submarine TV footage faked

August 13, 2007

Part of the video footage of the Russian submarines (MIR 1 and 2) planting a flag on the sea bed at the North pole, shown by Russian state TV channel Rossiya and re-broadcasted by Reuters, included shots from the James Cameron film Titanic, according to a Finnish newspaper.

The inclusion of the Titanic fragment was spotted by a 13-year-old Finnish boy, Waltteri Seretin, who compared Reuters' pictures with his own DVD version of the Titanic film. He alerted the Finnish tabloid paper Ilta-Sanomat. Screen grabs form the Rossiya footage were shown on web sites and newspapers around the world.

The two MIR submarines used in the Russian expedition were designed in Russia but actually made in Finland, and were indeed used in the Titanic film. However The Guardian reports that the shots used by Rossiya were in fact models shot in the studio. The Russian channel broadcast the pictures before the pole was reached and claimed it was using it in the same spirit as library footage. However Reuters gave the impression that it was actual footage of the expedition. Reuters published an apology, but only admitted that the pictures were from the Atlantic, not the Arctic, and not admitting that the footage showed a studio model.

NTV channel, who sent their correspondent on icebreacker, broadcast the actual videos, filmed from inside the submarine.


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Talk:Russian polar submarine TV footage faked

Ok not sure how to do this template source thing, especially when there is a paper edition (more detailed) as well as online Guardian article, and the Finnish article the author is not clearBilllion 21:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

This is unethical
it is a sad state of affairs if wikinews can publish this article under this headline. the article says reuters misrepresented rossiya and the finnish tabloid didn't bother to check, but the headline says the russian tv `faked' footage. this is primitive anti-russian propaganda. if you want to play journalists, then get yourself a bit of ethic first.
 * Personally i see nothing unethical about the article, everything seems neutral. Can you point out the text that is against our NPOV policy or "unethical"? Thunderhead - (talk) 09:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I improved article a bit, removing "scum" etc, which is not neutral. By the original article many peopple might consider the whole diving was faked, while there's only TV broadcasting was wrong.--83.167.112.224 12:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually I agree the title is a little misleading. But when I started the article I had just read the story in the print edition of the Guardian, which very much put the story in that light. In the end having looked at all the sources it looks like just some shoddy reporting by Reuters, withe the Russian TV channel maybe slightly to blame for not putting a caption saying "simulation" on the footage of the model. More misunderstanding than conspiracy. But never the less and interesting media story, and I think quite funny.Billlion 08:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed: interesting/funny, Can't get away with anything around here :) -Edbrown05 09:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And on the other hand, a weather report doesn't fly either. Fukked up. -Edbrown05 09:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Wikinews is not trying to live up to your standards. Maybe it is just trying to look up to the news, regardless of standards. -Edbrown05 10:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Merv Griffin dies at 82

August 13, 2007

Merv Griffin, creator of game shows such as Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy!, died of prostate cancer on Sunday. He was 82, but doctors still say that his death was "unexpected and immediate."

Besides creating and hosting game shows, Griffin was also famous for his talk show, The Merv Griffin Show, which ran for over 20 years on television.

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User talk:123flashchat

Hi, please do not place any kind of advertising on our website - it will be deleted at once so no-one will ever see it. If you do want to contribute to Wikinews, see the introduction.–Doldrums(talk) 04:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

if you continue to post promotional material on Wikinews, u'll be blocked from editing. –Doldrums(talk) 04:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:207.210.23.124

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User:Chris Mann

About me
Here on Wikinews, I am an administrator and moderately active contributor of both synthesis and original reporting articles.

On Wikipedia (and most elsewhere), I go by the nicknames ConMan/Confusing Manifestation (see w:User:ConMan), and on IRC I use Confusing (since someone took ConMan). I was previously known as User:ConMan here, but have renamed myself in case any potential interview subjects would take offense at the connotations of my nickname (see Confidence trick).

I live in Canberra, Australia, and am employed by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

Stories I have written / collaborated on

 * November 22, 2007: Australian Liberal Party criticised over fake pamphlets
 * January 22, 2008: Two thirds of Queensland flooded; "disaster zone" declared
 * February 21, 2008: East Timorese President regains consciousness
 * March 12, 2008: Jayant "Dr Death" Patel arrested in Oregon, US
 * April 7, 2008: Wikinews interviews Australian Statistician Brian Pink (OR)
 * April 7, 2008: South Australian father and daughter in sexual relationship
 * April 16, 2008: Stolen Generations used as medical guinea pigs, Australian inquiry told
 * May 1, 2008: An Australian child's vocabulary: it's "I" before "we", both before "you" (OR)
 * May 21, 2008: Colombian rebel leader 'Karina' surrenders
 * May 26, 2008: Australian art gallery raided by police; photographer faces possible indecency charge
 * May 26, 2008: Author Robert Asprin dead at 61
 * May 29, 2008: UK study highlights child abuse by humanitarian workers
 * May 30, 2008: First fertilised fish fossil found
 * June 3, 2008: 'Expelled' fair use upheld
 * June 3, 2008: United States authorities bust multimillion dollar drug ring in New Jersey
 * June 4, 2008: Ovarian baby "miracle" birth
 * June 11, 2008: U.S. teens generally reducing risky behavior says CDC (OR)
 * June 11, 2008: Million-dollar trial aborted on account of sudoku
 * June 13, 2008: Secret files left on train costs UK agent's job
 * June 17, 2008: US Midwest floods raise concerns about water quality
 * June 19, 2008: Police charge Australian man over laser incident
 * June 20, 2008: Scientists say genetic building blocks are from out of this world (OR)
 * June 20, 2008: Guinea coup trial defendant names co-conspirators
 * June 23, 2008: Outgoing Australian Democrats leader predicts new party amidst double dissolution
 * June 24, 2008: We'll always have .paris: ICANN votes for top level domain registration in 2009
 * June 25, 2008: Australians getting drunker, fatter, but among the world's longest-lived
 * June 26, 2008: Conrad Black loses appeal against fraud conviction (OR)
 * August 7, 2008: Online buyers conned by fake Olympics ticket web sites
 * August 19, 2008: Teen sex conviction in Australia for Mi-Sex manager
 * Plus several minor copy-edits, see my contributions.

Stories in development

 * It's a GLAM wrap: Curators meet collaborators at Canberra conference (OR)

Writing contest

 * User:Chris Mann/Contest

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2007 World Deaf Swimming Championships Day 1: European swimmers rise up

August 13, 2007

After the Opening Ceremony at the Taipei Municipal Stadium on August 11, the 2007 World Deaf Swimming Championships kicked off on August 12 in the National College of Physical Education and Sports Aquatic Center. The event was hosted by the Taipei City Government and the Chinese Taipei Sports Association of the Deaf and organized by the Foundation of 21st Summer Deaflympics Organizing Committee.

During the Opening Ceremony, event Director and Taipei City Mayor Hau Lung-pin said that this swimming championship is different from other games where people without a hearing disability can participate. The event for deaf swimmers requires participation from professional volunteers such as sign language, gaming referee, and technical staff. With this event and the upcoming 2009 Summer Deaflympics in Taipei, the city hopes to provide a good exchange platform for deaf culture. In the first matchday, some heat events have been changed to final sections, especially in the team relay competition, because only few people or teams participated. Also, the Freestyle Finals (individual and team relay) and Breaststroke Group were delayed 15 minutes due to check-in and identity problem.

In the Women 50m Freestyle Final, Ganna Lytvynenko from Ukraine improved the women deaf swimmer 50m freestyle world record established with 27.07 seconds by herself in Greece last June with 0.01 seconds. On the other hand, Grogios Dontas from Greece was beaten by Denys Bystrevsky from Ukraine in 25.02 seconds in the Men's 50m Freestyle Final.

List of Champions of 1st Matchday

 * For details or further information, please refer Official Website.
 * Results in italic text symbolized the new world record.

Medal Statistics after 1st Matchday

 * Only listed national teams who won medals at least Copper, full information can be found at here.


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This article is partially translated from Day 1 Coverage and Opening Ceremony Report in Chinese Wikinews, pictures can be found at Commons. Brock contact... 05:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:Chris Mann

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You recently contacted me (Nzgabriel), below is the direct reply I gave you on my talk page.

Yes, I have done a few interviews. The way I get in contact with them is usually by e-mail, or some other technological device (I.M.). So try and find their e-mail online.

When I am asking for an interview I usually say who I am, what the interview will be about, and how many RSS readers there are.

I usually like the interview to be done via e-mail, that way I have exact quotes, etc. But I recently did one (not yet released) via telephone. I recorded that by putting the phone on speaker phone, and put my computer microphone next to the speaker. Very basic.

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are 30,000 RSS readers, this information can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects#Wikinews. To do an interview you could buy a voice recorder, or just jot down notes using pen and paper (yes, those still exist ;) ). I don't know of anyone here who has done a face-to-face interview similar to what you are proposing. Sorry. --Nzgabriel | Talk 02:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

EU fines Microsoft $1.35 billion for non-compliance with antitrust decision
Hi Chris !

I read your concern about the article - "EU fines Microsoft $1.35 billion for non-compliance with antitrust decision". I have replied to it on the article's talk page. Please read it and post your comment. I published the news with a description of "what happened" and cited 5 sources. Also, the article met Wikinews' content guidelines and it was not a duplicate, therefore I do not see a reason why it should be unpublished. It is quite obvious that once a news is published on Wikinews, it will be edited by more and more readers and they will add more information if they have. That is the strength of Wikinews.

There is difference between a news and a research article. News has a "time" factor which is very important and we should publish the news (while conforming to the guidelines) as early as possible otherwise it looses its appeal. There are dozens of premier websites which publish news faster than Wikinews.

I am quite new to Wikinews, it was my first news story and it is nice to know that we have serious volunteers like you. Thanks for raising the concern. Such discussions will be helpful in improving Wikinews further.

Wiz432 - (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

edit protected
Hi Chris Mann, I am afraid I do not understand what you mean by:
 * "The current code does not create the correct link to the article talk page, it creates a link to the talk space of the namespace the page is currently on. Thus, when used as the header on a Comments: page, it links to Comments talk:, leading to at least some of these. Replacing with Talk should give the desired effect. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 00:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ''Retrieved from "http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Commentary_pages_on_news_events/intro"

Perhaps others do, but to be safe, I'd bring it up elsewhere. I found it here WN:AAA. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for the recognition. Cirt - (talk) 04:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I are not Anon
Talk:Australian art gallery raided by police; photographer faces possible indecency charge

I signed and everything --Brian McNeil / talk 15:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Remains of WWI soldiers found in French mass grave
I've created it. What was the problem before?

It needs expansion and sources, and a date. Think you can handle it? B2xiao (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It was my first news article. I think it went alright :) Thanks for the tip! b2xiao (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

UK study highlights child abuse by humanitarian workers
Undercovered regions are worth 2 points. I think you should have 6 points for that article. Kingjeff (talk) 02:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Soccer match reports
Are you interested in soccer at all? I'm trying to organize the soccer writers in Wikinews. Kingjeff (talk) 04:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

U.S. teens generally reducing risky behavior says CDC
Hi Chris. I hope you don't feel like I sanitized it too much. Actually, it is quite sad that no other editor took an interest in this article as you have had it in "ready" for about a week. It is a great article. Cheers. --SVTCobra 00:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

chris mann thank you he should be banned forever just sick vandal that vandalised wikinews articles and my user page. --72.73.74.205 02:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom
Hi, I have nominated you in the upcoming ArbCom elections. Please go to your nomination and state whether you accept or decline. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Nominated for Adminship
I have nominated you for consideration for Adminship, at WN:A. If you wish to be considered please accept (under my comment/query). Thank you, Cirt (talk) 03:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Admin status granted
Congratulations, you have just been made a sysop! You have volunteered for boring housekeeping activities which normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops basically can't do anything: They cannot delete pages arbitarily (only obvious junk like "jklasdfl,öasdf JOSH IS GAY"), they cannot protect pages in an edit war they are involved in, they cannot ban users except in cases of obvious vandalism or excessive edit warring (24-hour "cool down" ban). What they can do is delete junk as it appears, ban vandals, remove pages that have been listed on Deletion requests for more than a week, protect pages when asked to by other members, and help keep the few protected pages there are up to date.

Note that almost everything you can do can be undone, so don't be too worried about making mistakes. You will find more information on Administrators, please take a look before experimenting with your new powers. Drop me a message if there are any questions or if you want to stop being a sysop (could it be?). Have fun! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 18:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Cirt (talk) 02:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember, cabal meetings are on the 9th of every month, 1pm sharp at burger king. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

FlaggedRevs
If you have not already seen this, please look, comment, and vote both here and on bugzilla. Further assistance such as contact information for Google would be a very useful detail to share and help in petitioning for a listing in their news index. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal / Category Arctic
Thank you for all your suggestions!!!! What good ideas. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  02:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I did a wikipedia re-direct thingie to rename the article,  I will examine the way you did it and if the future needs it, will do it that way.  Sorry about that.  Thanks for the note about minors as well.  Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  03:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Troll
FYI, I removed some trolling from you talk page. --SVTCobra 14:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Such an entertaining guy (sounds like en.WP is copping some of this guy's vitriol as well). I'm most amused by the fact that he seems to have tried to suggest I may have had some kind of conflict of interest in one of the many non-OR articles I have written, while completely by-passing the great, honking COI OR article I wrote when I interviewed my own boss (and, admittedly, openly announced the COI and asked everyone else to check to make sure I wrote a decent article). Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 01:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Republican Congressman Ron Paul endorses Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin for President of the United States
Could you do a peer review for the article above? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Post-election spam
Thank you for supporting me for adminship. :) I'll try to make you glad you did it.  So here's a Nadezhda "Harry S. Truman" Durova campaign song.  All the best, Durova (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

WN:POTY
I counted the votes, but got a slightly different number than you, could you check your count again? (See Wikinews talk:Picture of the Year 2008). Bawolff ☺☻ 04:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

A penny for your thoughts
Okay, not really, but I am requesting your participation in the following Water Cooler Discussion: OR and Broadcast report. The discussion involves the need for specific policy concerning how Original Reporting relates to information recieved from a broadcast report of an event. This can include both news-style reports and non-news reports, such as a sporting event. Thanks and again, please share your thoughts on this so we can get as many people involved as possible, especially since this relates to an important topic such as OR. —Calebrw (talk) 05:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

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'''Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.'''
 * Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use.

 * Point 4 of the Privilege expiry policy provides for fast-tracking reacquisition of privileges. We all understand that real-life commitments can severely curtail the level of commitment you can give to Wikinews; the privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.

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User talk:Gracee~enwikinews

Please do not advertise, or you will be blocked from editing. Thunderhead - (talk) 05:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Gracee. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Gracee~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:61.95.164.171

Welcome
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User talk:72.80.193.221

write
get your point across. short concise sentences and paragraphs. Chop the news up so we can digest it. -Edbrown05 09:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Christian youth camp directors charged with dragging 15-year-old girl behind van

August 13, 2007

Charles Eugene Flowers and Stephanie Bassitt, who run Love Demonstrated Ministries in San Antonio, Texas, United States, have been arrested and charged with aggravated assault for tying a girl to their van and dragging her behind it on her stomach.

The victim had stopped running with a group of campers, after falling behind. She says Bassitt yelled at her while Flowers tied her to the van.

The girl was treated for injuries on her stomach, legs and arms. She reported that this was the second assault. Flowers and Bassitt remain in jail on US$100,000 bond each.

Love Demonstrated Ministries is a 32-day Christian boot camp for girls whose parents feel they are "at risk teens". Such camps have raised controversy before.

An organization called the International Survivors Action Committee maintains a list of U.S. organizations where numerous abusive incidents have been reported; however, their list should not be taken as exhaustive. Neither Love Demonstrated Ministries nor New Horizons Youth Ministries, which has an alumni site describing abuse appeared.


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Comments:Russian polar submarine TV footage faked

Ruskies at it again I see. You can never trust the Russian govurnment.
 * Go back and read the article again carefully, it isn't so much the Russian government - they effectively did a press release saying "this is what it'd look like". Reuters didn't check carefully enough and ended up running model footage under the heading that it was the real-deal. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I have the IS edition featuring teh story about this incident. This proves the true nature of current russian journalism.

(--Self-cencored, possibly offencive remarks about russian journalism and politics--)

As I was saying, Russia's heading back towards the days of the USSR. First their national anthem, then the general attitude, then rising oppression, now state propaganda.

 * What's wrong, actually, in using archive shots? They didn't claimed that they were shots from Arctic, it is how Reuters represented them.

The video was fake, but the expedition and diving was actual. The Titanic fragments were shown simply because TV channel had no videos from icebreacker.

Inaccuracies in this story
I can find no information supporting the fact that the Finnish 13-year-old is a transsexual, that there is any footage of Debbie Does Dallas in the Russian broadcast, or that Karl Rove is in any way associated with this story. All of these are blatant fabrications.
 * Well they have been reverted. If you find an article has been vandalised like this you are welcome to revert it yourself. It is easier than complaining.Billlion


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Annual Perseids meteor shower visible in northern hemisphere

August 13, 2007 The peak of the Perseids meteor shower occurred last night during the new moon, bringing both amateur and professional astronomers out in full force. Low moonlight on Saturday and none at all on Sunday night made this year a brilliant opportunity for astronomers and stargazers. An added bonus was the presence of Mars, which shone bright red near the constellation Taurus.

The show started between 9:00 and 10:00 Sunday night. Sightings grew more frequent until the peak just before sunrise when as many as 80 meteors per minute could be seen in clear skies.

Perseids, which gets its name due to its appearance close to the constellation Perseus, a major feature of the night sky, occurs every year and is one of the most reliable meteor showers to watch in the northern hemisphere.

A meteor shower occurs when the Earth's orbit intersects debris in the tail of a comet. Every meteor shower has an associated comet. In the case of the Perseids meteor shower, the associated comet is Swift-Tuttle.


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Karl Rove, senior political advisor to President Bush will resign

August 13, 2007 According to officials, President Bush's senior political advisor, Karl Rove, will resign his White House post effective by the end of the month, senior administration officials said Monday. Rove has held a top position in the White House since Bush took office in January 2001.

President Bush and Rove are expected to make a statement to the press at 11:35 a.m. ET (UTC-4), as Bush boards Marine One, heading for Crawford, Texas.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Rove said: "I just think it's time ... There's always something that can keep you here, and as much as I'd like to be here, I've got to do this for the sake of my family."


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User talk:Hanusoftware

Regarding the article HANU SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS INDIA
Hi, please do not place any kind of advertising on our website - it will be deleted at once so no-one will ever see it. If you do want to contribute to Wikinews, see the introduction. Adambro 12:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:FiveStringDimension

Welcome
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I saw that you removed the redirect on that article. Please bear with us; we're dealing with the vandalism. If you check back in about 10 minutes, we should have it all cleaned up again. Thanks! irid:t 02:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:201.1.191.107

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User talk:132.244.246.25

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Talk:Merv Griffin dies at 82

This obit is a poor as Tony Wilson dies. Both are terribly sub-standard. --SVTCobra 15:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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2007 World Deaf Swimming Championships Day 2: An intensive matchday

August 13, 2007 On the second day of the 2007 World Deaf Swimming Championships, the 50m Butterfly, 100m Backstroke, and 400m Individual Medley Groups finales took place during the afternoon. Tomorrow, two long-distance groups (Men 1500m Freestyle and Women 800 Freestyle) will try to bring home a medal.

Because of the intensity of the heats earlier, the organizer held an extra match between Andrei Taranau from Belarus and Yuji Hayakawa from Japan at the Men 50m Butterfly Group before the Main Final, and also, in the Final of Men 50m Butterfly Group, Marko Jansen van Nieuwenhuizen from South Africa and Björn Koch from Germany tied for the 3rd Place.

Although some competitors protested the new world record that was established by Ganna Lytvnenko from Ukraine, and the organizer consequently added an extra match of Women 50m Freestyle, the established record of yesterday was upheld.

Taiwanese deaf swimmer Shu-ning Tseng and Swedish deaf swimmer Anna Polivanchuk battled from heat section to final in the Women 100m Backstroke Group. Even though they didn't establish new women deaf swimmer 100m backstroke world record, spectators could surely enjoy an intensive competition between these two athletes.

List of Champions of 2nd Matchday

 * For details or further information, please refer Official Website.

Medal Statistics after 2nd Matchday

 * Only listed national teams who won medals at least Copper, full information can be found at here.


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