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User talk:StuRat

Welcome
StuRat, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Pentagon story
Hi! Thanks for your contributions to the story. You efforts seriously improved it. I don't think I'm alone saying that I also appreciate the comments you made on the discussion page.

Friendly word of warning though... try not to get argumentative there. These talk pages are good for that... or IRC link at top of 'Main Page' (note, you won't find PaulRevere2005 there). Note: I did not get the impression PaulRvere2005 was direcing any comment to you, until you replied to him... he love's a debate! Best Regards :) Edbrown05 02:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the compliment !

 * As for not being argumentative, I managed to restrain myself from suggesting that the person who called me an idiot do something physically impossible, LOL.

 * I don't quite understand what you mean by "you won't find PaulRevere2005 there".

 * I think we need a separate "flame board" for each article, where people can list their conspiracy theories, etc., so they don't clutter up the page where we discuss possible changes to the article.

 * Ok, I thought he was replying to my comment on the timing of the news conference being coincidental with Iran's restart of nuclear processing, but I was apparently mistaken.  StuRat 07:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I meant by the IRC Chat comment that, "you won't find PaulRevere2005 there". I does not participate there.
 * A flame page! speechless :)!! (! nah)
 * -Edbrown05 14:17, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Seriously, you found the Pentagon transcript. I came here immediately after noticing your post on the discussion page. I searched in vain for a transcript and was giving up, thinking --> wtf? I'll look into it now. (i'm not religious) Bless you for finding it. -Edbrown05 14:17, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You're quite welcome. StuRat 20:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Why were you deleting content from Wikinews?
Hello. With this edit: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Fiddle_Legend_Vassar_Clements_dead_at_77&diff=124828&oldid=124804 You removed a big chunk of a Wikinews story without explanation as to why the content was deleted. Another editor has reverted this deletion since it appeared unwarranted. -- Davodd | Talk 21:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe I did explain it in the comment. The part that was news (his death) was left in the news article.  The part that was NOT news (his life story) was moved into a Wikipedia entry and a link was added under his name.  This way all that info will still be available after the news story fades.  It is also important to avoid redundant entries under Wikinews and the Wikipedia, as this would require each change take place in two places. StuRat 21:34, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. :-) -- Davodd | Talk 22:50, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the kudos!
Stu,

Thanks for the kind words and help. Since it was a feature article, I reverted it to the original feature length.

When I have the opportunity, I'll work on his wiki entry. The iBook story was a total rewrite because it was so blown out of proportion by the media. Note the Richmond.com story; it was wholly different, and not at all alarmist. (Remember, the sky is falling! *LOL*) Kevin L. Bardon 22:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Football vs. Soccer
Hi!

I noticed that you moved Igor Novakovic returns to NK Rijeka to Croatian soccer player Igor Novakovic returns from Russia.

It is generally an unwritten rule that we call football (a game in which you kick the ball with a foot most of the time) - football, and that we use "American football" for what Americans call football. There is no policy on this, so you can use either one (though it's probably not a good idea to change from football to soccer, but you didn't do it, so no problems there).

However, reasoning for calling football - football, is that most of the planet calls it that way (e.g. football in the commonwealth, Fußball in German, fudbal in Serbian, футбол in Russian, etc. And we do tend to be an international news source, that happens to be in English :)

Like I said, it's not an official policy, and I don't want to force you into doing anything, but it's just a short FYI. --Dčabrilo 10:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comment. The reason for the change is that soccer only has one meaning, while football is ambiguous, and I didn't want to call it "un-American football", LOL.  While it's true that only a small fraction of the Earth calls it soccer, it's a fairly large portion of the English speaking world, including the US and Canada, and the English speaking world is the audience here.  In the article itself, I used both terms, to make it readable by the widest possible audience.  In an unrelated issue, when you only have a Croatian source, this makes it difficult to verify or add to the article, as most of us don't read Croatian.  Do you know of a site where we can get a free machine translation to English ? StuRat 10:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Croatian sources
Unfortunately, there is no usable translation (such as google translator, or altavista's babelfish) for Croatian (or most other languages for that matter). The particular article (football/soccer one), doesn't have any sources at all, iirc. Generally, if you need verification for Slavic languages, feel free to contact me (check out my userpage to see which languages I can be able to help with), but of course, there is no good way to check my own edits :) We do get people who speak all kinds of languages here every once in a while, so we are still "safe". --Dčabrilo 12:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Missing article
The article is published, but under August 17. --Dčabrilo 20:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Cats on Hotel quarantined after anthrax scare in US state of Michigan
I've put back the cat's on the article Hotel quarantined after anthrax scare in US state of Michigan, which is basically what I have on task to do for tomorrow (is to start the cat's for MI). --Mrmiscellanious 21:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have one lazy reporter there (myself, naturally) :). I have a few other articles for the cat. that were made before all this portal ordeal was created, so I'll have to add them a little later :).  --Mrmiscellanious 21:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Redirects
Hi Stu... please fix up redirects when you rename pages... e.g. New South Wales Police Commissioner says activist groups are 'trained to disrupt and undermine'. - Borofkin 09:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't see a problem with a redirect, did I miss something ? StuRat 10:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Stu, when you moved the page today, changing Sydney prepares for Forbes Conference and 30A Protest to Sydney, Australia prepares for Forbes Conference and free trade protest, you didn't fix up the redirects. When you move a page like that, you need to edit every page which redirects to that page, and update it with the new location of the article. You can find out what pages redirect to an article by clicking "What links here" in the toolbox at the side. See Help:Renaming (moving) a page. I've moved it back, because "free trade protest" is innacurate. - Borofkin 04:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * So they are protesting 30As ? WTF does that mean ??? StuRat 07:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Global
I really like the semantic of "Global" for here, vs. (blah) -World-. If there are so many local stories coming in at Wikinews that an editting task of tagging stories with became a chore, then the use of  makes sense to me. -Edbrown05 05:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I like that Little Ceasar's story. And I once and a while buy one! :) Edbrown05 05:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinkin', that if there is a left column 'Navigation' box with a listing "Browse by section", and a right column Top Box doing basically the same thing.... and then simultaneously thinkin' that most 'Original reporting' stories are very local.... then why not have a Top Box right column for 'Local news' that is dynamically populated like the 'Original reporting' box is. -Edbrown05 05:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What would be the semantic name for a box that contains stories that are not "Global"? -Edbrown05 05:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course, if people go to "local news", they want to see stories that are local to THEM, not local to someone in Tibet. This would require that every story be marked with a specific location and that every user have the locations that interest them recorded somewhere, and some software to bring it all together. Sounds rather ambitious to me.  How about "Nonglobal" for stories that aren't of global interest, which could be local stories, national stories, or international stories that only affect 2 countries. StuRat 06:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah. Picking out of your post --> and some software <-- like customizing your local news. -Edbrown05
 * You really hit it right StuRat with the objection to a Top Right box with supposively local news when here it is "Global". Hmmm. -Edbrown05 06:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

are you there still?
hi sturat, if you're still online can you take a look at 'a truer nagin'. it's just been published and is too big for me to work on. I think it needs a little more time in development, to say the least :) ClareWhite (no tildes)

 * Ok, in about an hour I'll take a look, can you provide a link here please ? StuRat 16:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I looked at it, and it's unpublishable garbage, IMO. See my comments on it's talk page. StuRat 16:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * BTW, why don't you like to use tildes to make an active link and include a timestamp ? StuRat 16:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that! It's not that I don't like to use tildes - I love them - but I often edit from a Treo phone which has a limited keyboard, so I can only use tildes (and bracketty things) by copying and pasting or digging out the proper keyboard. Which is too tedious to do or even relate :) ClareWhite 16:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

contest
we have a new english contestant. Can you aprove his articles?--cyper 23:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

FSM material
Have you read the talk page of that article? Although the FSM material *is* important to the general story, it is not relevant to that particular article's angle - the decision by the NSES to withhold copyright. Please read the talk page and consider. - Amgine / talk 00:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I will. There was no comment from the anon I/P who removed the material which would lead me to believe the removal was the result of any discussion, however. StuRat 00:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've read the discussion page and don't see any consensus for removal of the FSM material. StuRat 00:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Or to keep it. - Amgine / talk 00:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * On the contrary, by my reading, the division on the talk page breaks down like so:

 * Delete FSM Material - Amgine
 * Keep FSM  Material - StuRat,JWSchmidt,vonbergm

 * I call 75% a consensus to keep it. StuRat 01:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I also don't explain what the American Association for the Advancement of Science is. Instead, I provide a link to something which does. That's because this is background information, not the main story. - Amgine / talk 01:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * That title pretty much says what it's purpose is, while Flying Spaghetti Monster says nothing of it's purpose. If it's name was the "Monster to fight attempts at teaching Creationism, in any disguise, in public schools by exposing the foolishness of teaching ones personal religous beliefs as science", then you might have a valid point. StuRat 01:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikinews is not advocacy. It's news. - Amgine / talk 01:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, and news demands that ALL sides of the story be told. This is one side of the story. StuRat 01:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * No. It demands that all relevant questions be answered. You have not provided a single reason this must be a part of an article about the decision of the NSES to withhold copyright. - Amgine / talk 02:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It is only your interpretation that this story should be solely about the NSES decision, rather than the general issue of teaching Intelligent Design in the Kansas schools. I would think most people couldn't care less about the NSES decision, if it was for some other reason, for example, if Kansas had failed to pay some registration fee to the NSES. StuRat 02:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Again I must disagree. From the original author's first edit this article has been about the decision by the NSES because it immediately prevented ratification of the standard. This is a fairly substantial element of news as, had it not occurred, the standard was expected to be ratified this week. - Amgine / talk 02:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't believe your interpretation that the original quote was SOLELY about the NSES decision and not about the teaching of Intelligent Design is supported by these two lines:

 * "...these overemphasize controvercy between the scientific theory of evolution and the theory of Intelligent Design. Moreover the organizations criticize that the standards in its current form distort the definition of science."

 * StuRat 02:43, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! for creating Kansas School Board has copyright withheld over teaching Intelligent Design. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * That's the old article. I assume you mean the new one, US state of Kansas in battle over "Intelligent Design" in education.  You're welcome. StuRat 05:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Quite right... Ctrl+V is dangerous in my hands.. :D Thanks again. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

ID in Dover PA
I think we should start an article that will report the election results for the school board election in Dover, PA on November 8. Science article primary MARTHA RAFFAELE article --JWSchmidt 02:23, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The first and third articles require registration, so I didn't read those. The second article seems to have enough material on it's own, though.  Why don't you start the article, and I will take a look at it after you rough it in.  Sound good ? StuRat 04:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

See: Teaching Intelligen Design: Dover PA school board election results; I just noticed "Intelligen" in the title! --JWSchmidt 16:05, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I fixed the title and did a few other minor tweaks. Do they currently have ID taught in biology ?  If so, I must have missed that in the articles I read. StuRat 16:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

As I understand it, the school board mandated that a "statement" about intelligent design be read in biology classes. According to the Science article (talking about one of the school's biology teachers):

"The local school board had ordered her and seven colleagues to read to their biology classes a statement that attacks the theory of evolution and promotes intelligent design"

I put a link to the "statement" in the sources for the story. --JWSchmidt 17:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your note on my talk page about Teaching Intelligent Design: Dover PA school board election results. On Tuesday night I started searching the web for news reports on the results for the election. The first one I found had incorporated much of the background from our Wikinews article about the Dover election and had cited Wikinews as a background source! --JWSchmidt 01:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Cool ! StuRat 23:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Avoid the Slash!
I see you've just renamed the rape article that was up as lead, the name is no good. You can't use the / character as it is a directory delimiter. Brian McNeil / talk 19:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the hint, I will avoid a slash (in addition to the dollar sign, which I found out about before) in titles. We really need to fix this system to allow such common symbols in titles.  The title shouldn't be used literally as the file name, but rather a serial number/timestamp should be used as a filename with a look-up table that reteives the actual title given this serial number. StuRat 20:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Note on article
In the Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested you've now reverted 3 times. Just giving you a friendly reminder that a 4th edit and a person is blocked for 24 hours. you can revert again after 24 hours now. i'm coming back in behind you and using my 3rd revert to put it back to it's proper global title. --MateoP 20:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, my change has been different each time, but your reverts are not. YOU will be blocked. StuRat 20:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually it doesn't matter if the changes are only slight. what you are doing is obviously reverts, just the same as mine.  --MateoP 20:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, a revert is when you ignore all comments by others and change back to the same exact thing you had before. I took your request to add the city name into the title seriously, and did add it back in.  I also took Brian's comment that I should avoid slashes in titles seriously.  You ignored our comments on the need to identify the country as Mexico, so all your changes are true "reverts". StuRat 00:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I know all of my changes are reverts. That's why I stopped doing it.  However, as I said, making slight changes to intentionally avoid 3RR doesn't work.  I even tried to warn you on this.  Too bad you ignored.  --MateoP 00:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Those changes are meant to deal with the concerns of others, which I actually take into consideration, unlike you. StuRat 00:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The article now explains in the first sentence that it is in Mexico, now it is no longer lead it isn't so critical that it take account of the audience, which I would agree it did not. Brian McNeil / talk 20:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

notification
here is an article without country in title: 13 coal miners trapped in West Virginia mine

Is "west virginia" a well known place throughout the world? i'd like to see you justify this one. --MateoP 20:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * That article should include the name of the country, so I added it. The title should probably also include the name of the country.  I have no objection if you want to add it. The fact that others fail to include the country name, when they should, in no way means you can justify removing the country name. StuRat 20:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC

 * So you insisted on country name in the title of the Ciudad Juárez article, but when it comes to a minor state of the U.S. you are not in such a hurry to add it? Hypocrisy is the only word to describe this.  --MateoP 21:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * As I said, I have no objection to you adding it. I already changed the article and the lead article template, now you can change the titles, I'm not here to do all your work for you. StuRat 21:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I will change it, because it is not a city and my rule only applies to cities. people are not expected to know the names of every state in the world.  On the other hand I find it hilarious that you are attempting to pretend like you don't want to change the title because it's too much work.  It wasn't too much work to change the Ciudad Juárez title.  Your hypocrisy is unbelievable.  --MateoP 21:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Your attitude is unbelievable. StuRat 21:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

3RR Violation on Rape and murder suspects in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico arrested
You have violated the spirit of, if not the letter of, the 3 revert rule in renaming of the above article. I have not blocked you, as I don't believe the 3RR should trigger an automatic block. Please consider uninvolving yourself in this article dispute or trying another way to resolve your differences. Please contact me with any questions. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

LOL --MateoP 00:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you are laughing. It takes two to create a 3RR situation. Why not simply work this out on a discussion page instead of participating in a revert dispute? The Wiki-way involves discussion and compromise. Please, MateoP, consider working toward a solution in situations such as this one instead of simply pushing the reverts to the max. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * How do you suggest working this out? How is it possible to compromise this issue?  He believes that there should be different standards for western and non-western cities in titles.  If you have any suggestions on how to compromise with that, please let me know.  --MateoP 00:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * You can start by not misrepresenting my position. Mexico is just as "western" as the US.  I believe obscure places should be identified by nation, no matter where they are, and even include my own home town on Detroit, Michigan, USA.  You just accuse anyone who disagrees with you of Eurocentrism, with no basis in reality. StuRat 00:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Ciudad Juárez is not obscure. It has over a million people who live there, that's twice the size of Oklahoma City.  It was named after Benito Juárez, Mexico's George Washington.  It once served as a capital during the French occupation.  Don't assume that because you're unfamiliar with a place that it's obscure.  That's the definition of ethnocentrism.  There is no way to resolve this, except to apply the same set of rules to all major cities.  --MateoP 00:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * 12:34, 3 January 2006 StuRat m (Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested moved to Rape/murder suspects in Mexico arrested)
 * I'm counting the above as the first change... --Chiacomo (talk) 00:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * First change, yes, first revert, no. The policy only prohibits excessive reverts, so a change which is not a revert should not count.  Many of the other title changes should also not be considered reverts, for the reasons I listed on your talk page. StuRat 00:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I think we have a different interpretation of the 3RR, but that's beside the point. At this time if either of you revert again, I will block you. At this moment, neither of you are blocked... You both are aware of the problem and are apparently trying to potentially game the system by involving another editor. Why not talk about it some more or involve the community in the discussion rather than simply trying to get your way. This is apparently a serious issue to MateoP as he's cited Eurocentrism (sp?) before. I will not weigh in on this particular article except to suppose that were this any English speaking newspaper in the world (outside of Mexico) it would include some reference to Mexico in the title. We focus to an English language audience (obviously). --Chiacomo (talk) 00:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If you look on his home page and talk page, you will see that he calls anyone who disagrees with him "Eurocentric". StuRat 00:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * A newspaper is going to come from the perspective of the place with which it's from. As an internet wiki with no home office, we get to come from a global perspective.  This means not favoring some places over others or some cultures over others.  --MateoP 00:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If anything, that argument would favor MORE identification of countries, not less, as most of the readers are sure to be from other countries and therefore less likely to know local geography. StuRat 00:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * See here. For some reason you didn't think it necessary enough to simply rename the West Viriginia coal miner title.  --MateoP 00:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I saw how you did make that change, then reverted it, to try to weasel out of the fact that you really believe it should be there. StuRat 00:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * So you think I agree with you, but took it out to make it look like i don't? States are a different issue.  I was of the opinion that states should have country title but I changed my mind.  --MateoP 01:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * You only chose to classify it as a diff issue. Any way of identifying a country without explicitly listing the name could fall into the same category.  For example, in Soviet Union days, would saying "Change in leadership in the Politburo" be sufficient, or would one need to say "Change in leadership in the Soviet Politburo" ? StuRat 01:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Take a break
I respectfully request that you take a break from posting regarding either this particular article or this particular issue for a short while. Perhaps you would like to visit the tea-room. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 01:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I requested participants take a break on the water cooler discussion, at which point User:MateoP stopped adding comments. I suspect you missed that addition, so I added it to your talk page.

 * I do appreciate your edits and history with Wikinews; and yes I really appreciated your efforts as a judge in the international writing contest. I'm trying very hard not to be prejudicial in this discussion in case I am asked at a later point to mediate it; at the moment I take no position regarding it though I am on record as saying a city's or politician's recognizability is subjective.

 * What I'm asking is for a short break, to take a couple hours and consider other articles or projects. Then you can come back to this with, perhaps, a bit of distance from the recent commenting. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 02:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

On a break
As you can see from my history, I've been on a break for quite a while now, and will likely stay on a break, indefinitely. I get less flack from contributing over at Wikipedia, so prefer to stay there. I also find the policy of writing all articles as if they're for the local newspaper, then placing them on a front page shared by users around the world, to be quite annoying. There is currently some article about "Queensland", and I would guess most people looking at the title have no clue that's an Australian state. StuRat 19:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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User:StuRat

Hi,

I'm a computer programmer specializing in FORTRAN programming for CAD/CAM (especially CATIA) and database applications. My interests vary widely from that field, however; into math, science, economics, history, etc., so I hope to contribute to many areas.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Volcanic activity expands McDonald Island off Australia

August 10, 2005 The volcano on McDonald Island, approximately 4,000 kilometres south-west of Western Australia, is erupting for the first time since 2001. Magma is described as slowly "oozing" out of the volcano by Professor Michael Stoddart, chief scientist with the Australian Antarctic program, creating new land suitable for colonisation by local wildlife. The volcano is one of Australia's two active volcanos.

Senator Ian Campbell unveiled satellite images of the island today at the opening of the annual Australian Antarctic Division exhibition at Parliament House.

The small island group is rocky from its volcanic geological origins, and uninhabited. The recent activity on tiny McDonald Island caused it to almost double in size.


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User talk:61.95.167.91

hi plz publish it

english please
hi! please could you write your story in english before you publish? it doesn't have to be perfect english, just something people can understand. thanks! ClareWhite

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Fourteen dead as passenger helicopter crashes off Estonia

August 10, 2005 Fourteen people are presumed dead after a passenger helicopter of the Finnish company Copterline crashed into the Baltic Sea, 5 km off the coast of Estonia.

After hours of search, the wreck was found with a sonar at a depth of approximately 60 meters. The cabin is damaged but has remained in one piece, and passengers were found dead inside the cabin. Lifting of the wreckage is being planned at the moment.

The Sikorsky S-76 was on a scheduled passenger flight to Helsinki from Tallinn, the Estonian capital. The craft came down just three minutes after take-off at 12:43 pm (GMT+3). According to an eyewitness, two loud bangs were heard before the craft crashed down. No smoke or fire were seen after the bangs.

On board were six Finnish, four Estonian and two American passengers as well as two Finnish crew members. Both of the pilots were experienced, with over 10 years of flight experience in the company.

Estonian rescue helicopters and boats have been sent, a Finnish rescue helicopter and mini submarines also at the scene.

Investigation of the causes of the accident is underway, but one possible reason is the bad weather as the area has been suffering from severe storms recently, the winds at the time are believed to have been 17-20 metres a second. "Many of the helicopters safety measures failed", said the spokesman from Copterline. The safety measures include the ability of the craft to glide down in case of engine failure and the ability to float on water, both of which seemed to have failed. Copterline, one of the largest helicopter airlines in Europe, has cancelled all upcoming flights today, but are continuing as scheduled tomorrow morning.

An overview in Estonian (some pics & timeline)


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Slovenian alpinist rescued from Himalayan peak

August 10, 2005

Early Wednesday morning (5:30 am local time), the Pakistani military helicopter Lama III rescued Slovenian alpinist Tomaž Humar, who went up on a solo climb on one of the highest peaks in the Himalayas.

Humar became trapped by a bad weather and avalanches in a ice-cave on 5 August at an approximate height of 5900 meters with no food left for the last few days. After Mr. Humar was back in the base-camp, the mission medic Dr. Anda Perdan said he has some very beginning of chilblains on his toes, but she expects there will be no serious consequences. By one of the Slovenian news-sites 24ur.com - Srečen, na trdnih tleh, he decided to stay in the base-camp after the rescue mission (and not being taken to the hospital), however, by the Reuters news agency, he has been later taken to a hospital located in the mountain town of Gilgit.

This article is a continuing story of the Slovenian alpinist in rescue on Nanga Parbat.


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User talk:217.159.227.239

Welcome
217.159.227.239, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Talk:Fourteen dead as passenger helicopter crashes off Estonia

according to Estonian news agency STT officials sais that passengers are trapped in helicopter, but there aren't still any official information about death of people --ariok (Polish Wikinews)
 * In a fact STT is Finnish news agency: Suomen Tietotoimisto. Passengers are reported to still be inside the chopter, but as there are no extra oxygen storages all hope for survival is lost. According to news, chopter's emergency features (floats around the chopper and distress signal) aren't found to have worked in this case. What on technical side raises the possibility of really hard crash. Rest in peace. -seu
 * yes, i noticed that... it was mistake, because Polish News Agency PAP written that STT is Estonian agency --ariok

how common is helicopter travel in the area? anyone? --CGW 17:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's becoming more common. Copterline (which just lost one chopter) had 75 000 passengers last year. It is biggest on its line of business in Finland and one of the biggest in Europe. They have 28 weekly regular scheduled flights between Helsinki and Tallinn. -seu
 * To clarify: Copterline makes 28 flights every weekday, 18 on saturdays and 12 on sundays. --194.63.234.105 19:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Detroit chemical plant experiences explosions, fire; residents evacuated

Lots of these since 9/11
Has anybody else noticed how many chemical and oil facilities have blown up in the USA since 9/11? Would we be told if those explosions were the work of terrorists? Later I will check back to see how many there have been over the past 10 years and see if there has been a marked increase since 9/11.....obviously if it is the work of terrorists and we, the citizens, were told about it; we might be lots more angry about how many of these potential WMDs are sitting in our cities and neighborhoods unguarded. That is where the National Guard ought to be..guarding the nation; imo. Paulrevere2005 16:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed any spike in these cases over the past 4 years (although Americans are more vigilant than ever nowadays), however when you look at the cases like this - very rarely are human lives endangered. I myself live in a city built around one of the largest (if not, the largest) chemical companies in the world, and right next door is a plastics company.  Down a few roads, a chemical waste facility.  Routine accidents are bound to happen, it's not a lack of security - it's a lack of knowledge.  --Mrmiscellanious 19:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe the cause for the recent spike in chemical and gasoline plants is as follows:

 * It is no longer feasible to build a new plant, due to environmental regulations and public opposition (in part due to terrorism concerns).

 * Therefore, in order to meet market demand, chemical and petroleum companies are running old plants (which may be in poor condition) at maximum capacity.

 * This inevitably leads to increased accidents.

 * StuRat 22:43, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Here's another one on the same day(yesterday)
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050810/NEWS04/508100376/1001 Is this a new story? or part of the detroit story?.

Russian refinery explosion July 26. A recent USA Today story places the context of these refinery mishaps from running at high capacity to meet demand. -Edbrown05 16:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Uh,oh..get out the probability calculators; here's 3 on the same day(July 28) all in Texas????
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/05/blast/index.html http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/nation/12248824.htm http://www.orangeleader.com/articles/2005/07/29/news/news3.txtPaulrevere2005 18:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC) ___________________________________

a few more.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050713/cm_usatoday/warningchemicalhazard/nc:742 http://www.thejacksonchannel.com/news/4774869/detail.html http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3668414 http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050805/NEWS/508050393/1001 http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/071605_APlocal_txcity.html Paulrevere2005 01:18, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, I live near the plant in MI, and have been evacuated from my home. Does anybody know if the company has any liability for my expenses or anything else. Please E-mail me with any advice or suggestions, THANKS. Lubeguy@hotmail.com

You might be able to make a claim on your Homeowners' insurance policy, if you have one, and if it includes a loss of use clause. Otherwise, I think you'll be out of luck - you could try suing the company, of course, but unless the accident was the result of gross negligence, I doubt you'd win anything.
 * While I'm not a lawyer, I do suppose they have liability in any expenses that you occur due to this inconvenience. However, that being said - you probably won't recieve any damages due to this, other than not being able to visit your home for a few days.  If you checked into a hotel, your insurance might cover it.  --Mrmiscellanious 16:26, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

1. Hire a lawyer; just set aside 1 hour per day between 10 and 4 to call them up and interview them; make sure you only call experienced "civil litigation" lawyers...be sure to get one that does not want one dime from you. One of them will do it on contingency if you have a case. 2.Get a notepad and starting right now keep a record of every penny and second of time that you are having to spend on this incident.Be sure to make notes of the emotional distress. 3.Tell your lawyer to have the plant's owners pay for an enviromental assessment of your home before you move back into it. It could be hazardous now. 4.Do some research yourself. Use the FOIA to obtain all the governmental inspection data/fines re; the plant. Don't give up on finding the right lawyer until you have called at least 100. Good luck; Paulrevere2005 19:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * When in doubt; "sue the bastards!" My mom was messed up in a Georgia nursing home and we got $65,000. for her; here's how to do it;

Class -action Lawsuit ?
I heard something to the effect that a class action lawsuit has been filed against the company on behalf of the residents, but have been unable to confirm this. If anyone can find a source I would like to add this to the article. StuRat 22:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I confirmed this info via a local Detroit news broadcast, so included it here. StuRat 19:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


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For Finnish news in English, there are three sites to consider...

 * 1) YLE News, twice-daily updates weekdays and once-daily on the weekends.

 * 1) Helsingin Sanomat International Edition, Daily Monday-Friday, quite comprehensive and detailed.

 * 1) NewsRoom Finland, a news agency service provided by the Finnish Ministry of External Affairs and the national news agency, STT. Regular information but short items.

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NAFTA dismisses US claims of Canadian violation of Trade Agreement rules in softwood lumber dispute

August 10, 2005

The United States has lost another battle in the ongoing U.S.-Canada softwood lumber dispute.

A NAFTA Extraordinary Challenge Committee (ECC) rejected U.S. allegations that an earlier ruling in support of Canada's position violated NAFTA rules.

This is the latest of a string of failed U.S. attempts, to show before NAFTA and WTO tribunals, that the Canadian government has been subsidizing lumber. On several occasions, the U.S. has been told that its calculating methods were not valid. A NAFTA report of August 13, 2003 said the U.S. made a mistake in calculating its duties based on U.S. prices, and by not taking Canadian market conditions into consideration, and ordered Washington to recalculate them. NAFTA decisions are legally binding and must be put into effect within 60 days.

Two weeks later, a WTO panel concluded that the U.S. wrongly applied harsh duties on Canadian softwood exports. They also found that provincial stumpage programs provide a "financial benefit" to Canadian producers. However, the panel made it clear that the benefit was not enough to constitute a subsidy, and did not justify the U.S. duties.

"We are extremely pleased that the ECC dismissed the claims of the United States," said Canada's International Trade Minister Jim Peterson.

"This is a binding decision that clearly eliminates the basis for U.S.-imposed duties on Canadian softwood lumber. We fully expect the United States to abide by this ruling, stop collecting duties and refund the duties collected over the past three years," he said.

Negotiations between Canada and the U.S. are expected to resume next week.

While there have been suggestions that the ruling could bring the softwood dispute to an end after more than four years, the issue may not be resolved. The United States could still file legal challenges outside of NAFTA.

The United States has been collecting duties on Canadian softwood lumber since May 2002, after American lumber producers accused Ottawa of subsidizing lumber exports.


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Talk:NAFTA dismisses US claims of Canadian violation of Trade Agreement rules in softwood lumber dispute

Isn't the title (and angle) of this article a bit too US-centric? Krisjohn 22:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I was worried it was a bit too Canada-centric. Please fix it if you see a problem. Double Blue  (Talk) 23:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

My main problem is with the title, which I wouldn't want to change without a bit of discussion first. I would have thought that the convention is to express it in term of the winner, not the loser, like the CBC article. Phrasing it in terms of the loser is a bit like an Olympic sports commentator always playing to their home audience. Krisjohn 23:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't object to a move like that though I kind of see the US as the subject in this case as they were the ones to impose the duty and appeal it through all the commissions. It could also be completely rephrased to make the softwood lumber ruling be the subject, though I can't think of a particularly good title that way. Double  Blue  (Talk) 01:21, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S. Thanks for seeking consensus and opinion. Double  Blue  (Talk) 01:21, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

How about "NAFTA dismisses US claims of Canada's violation of NAFTA rules in softwood lumber dispute"? Krisjohn 01:39, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * How about "U.S.Gov. caught again"? :)Paulrevere2005 11:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, I personally believe America's hypocritical trade protection policies are disgraceful. Preaching free trade then piling tariff upon subsidy upon quota is something that needs to be brought to people's attention at every opportunity.  But the article carries more weight if it's neutral and written for a global audience. Krisjohn 13:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The Cdn. business press is saying the US will not comply with the ruling and that the whitehouse political juice is in play on this one. Paulrevere2005 16:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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Greenpeace tries to thwart Chesapeake Bay fishing fleet

August 10, 2005 Greenpeace activists scattered schools of  in the  on Tuesday when fishing ships belonging to Omega Protein Corp. were about to drop their sceine nets. The Omega fleet consisted of two spotter planes and four fishing boats with eight. Greenpeace arrived with four fast moving out-board motor boats, manned by thirteen activists, who attempted to drive away the fish. The Coast Guard was called in and ended the confrontation peacefully.

The -based Omega Protein Corporation is the largest processor and distributor of protein-rich menhaden and fish oil products in the United States. The company accounts for nearly 90% of the entire East Coast menhaden catch.

An Omega spokesman Toby Gascon said of Greenpeace, "They have now demonstrated that their real agenda is to put Omega out of business, even if it means risking the safety of Omega's fishermen." Their fleet is out of Reedville, Virginia, now a top U.S. fishing port due to the recent Omega processing plant opened there.

Chesapeake Bay menhaden are considered an important food source for fish species popular with sports fisherman. They are also, next to oysters, a prime in bay waters. The bay oyster population has suffered drastic declines from disease over the last two decades. Studies of menhaden populations are still inconclusive as scientists try to determine the overall number of bay menhaden. Greenpeace says the species is near historic lows and predators that depend on the fish as a food source, such as, show signs of suffering from malnutrition and poor body condition.

The Chesapeake Bay Foundation, a not-for-profit organization, had praise for Maryland Governor, and the state's Department of Natural Resources. They secured a commitment from the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) to seek a cap on commercial harvesting of Atlantic Menhaden.

A coalition of recreational anglers and environmentalists, called Menhaden Matter, also joined the debate by saying coast-wide population of Atlantic Menhaden has fallen to near record lows. They are also against an encroachment by Omega into Chesapeake waters.

The issue is a cap proposed by ASMFC on the menhaden harvest. The Board recommended a Draft Addendum to limit the menhaden harvest to 110,400 metric tons, which is the average over five years of consecutive declines in harvests for the species. The limit would apply to Atlantic and in-land waters of the species. The proposed cap is for years 2006 and 2007 and open to public debate.

ASMFC recently rejected an offer by Omega that would voluntarily cap their harvest at 135,000 metric tons annually for the next four years. They noted Omega also seeks to reopen some waters in Maryland and New Jersey which are currently closed to industrial purse seine operations. A public hearing is scheduled in Alexandria, Virginia in the next few days.

Omega says that ASMFC's own reports indicate the population levels of Atlantic menhaden are healthy.

A Chesapeake Bay Foundation senior scientist, William J. Goldsborough, said, "I believe that a cap on the purse seine catch of menhaden at current levels, covering the total catch as well as removals from Chesapeake Bay, would be a prudent measure to adopt."


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Crosswords/2005/August/11

August 11, 2005

Quick crossword
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 * 9. Stiff (5)
 * 10. Involuntary twitch (5)
 * 11. Those in management (colloq.) (5)
 * 12. Supplied with pictures (11)
 * 15. Confess to something unpleasant (5)
 * 18. Poisonous metal (7)
 * 21. Reduce noise (7)
 * 23. Asian peninsula divided into two countries (5)
 * 27. One who owns a part of a company (11)
 * 31. See 29 dn. (5)
 * 32. Pungent bulb (5)
 * 33. Mar (5)
 * 34. Raised area (5)
 * 35. Dressed in common clothing (9)

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 * 3. Mauritian coat-of-arms animals (5)
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 * 5. Jumped (5)
 * 6. Greek letter (6)
 * 7. Agent Orange (6)
 * 8. Snake sound (4)
 * 13. Colours (5)
 * 14. Circle segment (3)
 * 16. Disseminate cards (4)
 * 17. Length measurement (4)
 * 18. Pitch range (4)
 * 19. Rice wine (4)
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 * 21. Male English honorific (3)
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 * 24. Rotten (6)
 * 25. On land (as opposed to at sea) (6)
 * 26. Cut into small slivers (6)
 * 28. Goodbye (Fr.) (5)
 * 29. Boredom, tedium (5)
 * 30. 31 ac. Unavailable due to a mealtime (3,2,5)
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Thanks! I haven't done a News Brief before, but I've done a couple of Spoken Articles. I'm glad you liked it! Leofan7 01:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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Haze crisis over Malaysia prompts talks with Indonesia

August 11, 2005 A week-long choking smog-like haze over Malaysia has prompted crisis talks with Indonesia. Lingering smoke from forest fires on the Indonesian island of Sumatra are the primary cause. Farmers regularly burn scrub and forest to clear land during the dry season, but this is the worst haze since 1997.

Air quality in the Malaysian capital city of Kuala Lumpur is so poor, health officials are advising citizens to stay at home with doors closed. Some schools have been closed to keep children from being exposed to the haze. Schools that chose to remain open are keeping children indoors and require them to wear protective masks when they are forced to venture outdoors.

Kuala Lumpur International Airport was unaffected but smaller flights from Subang airport were suspended.

Malaysia's Environment Minister, Adenan Satem, and Commodities Minister, Peter Chin, will meet with Indonesia's forestry minister and officials from its environment ministry in Medan, according to Malaysian media. Malaysia has offered to send firefighters to fight the forest and scrub fires estimated at numbering more than 300.


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Pakistan successfully tests cruise missile

August 11, 2005

On Thursday, Pakistan successfully tested their first cruise missile, becoming the only country to test cruise missiles in the region.

The missile is named Babur, it can carry either a nuclear or a conventional warhead.

According to the military, the missile is a "terrain hugging" missile designed to evade radar. It flies parallel to the ground and has an advanced navigation and guidance system.


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U.S. government hiring more hackers

August 11, 2005

At a hackers conference in Las Vegas with the spoofed name of Defcon, the Assistant Secretary of Defense Linton Wells made a pitch to attendees; "If you want to work on cutting-edge problems, if you want to be part of the truly great issues of our time ... we invite you to work with us."

Technology commentator Richard Thieme said that there are many Feds attending undercover; "You can't be deceived by the uniforms. I talked at the Pentagon, and one-third of the people in the audience I already knew from Defcon." Attendees who "out" the undercover ops are awarded free "T" shirts.

A "Meet the Feds" panel was attended by a man who demanded, "I would like to know why the federal government, especially some of the law enforcement agencies, are destroying this country."

Pentagon people would not comment on the rumours that they are looking for people to attack "foreign" networks. "I'm learning while I'm here but I'm also getting the names of people." said Don Blumenthal of the Federal Trade Commission.

The Feds arrested a Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov at the annual 2001 Defcon conference. The gathering is attended by computer security experts, hackers and crackers of all types who celebrate the cutting edge of the technology.

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Truck carrying explosives crashes, explodes in Utah

August 11, 2005

A truck carrying 35,500 pounds (16,100 kg) of explosives used in mining and seismic exploration overturned and exploded on a rural mountain section of U.S. Highway 6 in Utah's Spanish Fork Canyon Thursday afternoon.

The wreck occurred shortly after 2 pm, as driver Travis Stewart, 30, of Rexburg, Idaho, was leaving Ensign-Bickford Co., a commercial explosives manufacturing plant at the mouth of the canyon. Company officials said the truck was destined for Oklahoma.

Witnesses said Mr. Stewart appeared to lose control of the truck after entering a curve in the road at a high rate of speed. Utah Highway Patrol Lt. Ken Peay said, "speed was a factor" in the wreck of the truck but refused to speculate on how fast the truck was traveling when it wrecked. Lt. Peay said the posted speed limit on the road is 60 mph, but the advised speed is 40.

At least 17 people received minor injuries and the explosion left a 35 foot deep crater in the highway. The driver was transported via helicopter to a hospital, where he was listed in fair condition, and was later released. The co-driver Troy Lysfjord, 37, of Blackfoot, Idaho, was helped from the wreck by passers by and listed in fair condition at Utah Valley Regional Hospital in Provo.

The wreck site occurred on a major thoroughfare between Denver and Salt Lake City - about 60 miles south of Salt Lake City - was already under reconstruction by nightfall, as road crews began installing 10 inches of asphalt on the two lane road.

Utah Department of Transportation spokesman Tom Hudachko said officials hoped to have the road fully repaired by Friday afternoon, adding that, "When you take a look at that hole that was there 24 hours ago, I think it's amazing the progress that was made." As of press time, the mouth of the canyon was reopened to traffic, while traffic at the accident site was impassible, and rerouted nearby.

The explosion consumed all but about 60 pounds of explosives, and loosened some boulders on the north side of the highway, damaged railroad tracks and some fiber optic lines buried along the roadway. Amtrak and Union Pacific reported delays resulting from the wreck. Uinta National Forest spokesman Loyal Clark said forest firefighters were unable to respond to several small fires nearby that were apparently started by flying debris, and that helicopters dropped water to extinguish them. High humidity and lack of fuel from a previous fire delayed the fire's spread.

The cost of repairs, while paid immediately by the state, will ultimately be borne by the trucking company's insurance carrier. The truck is registered to R&R Trucking of Duenweg, Missouri.

UHP Lt. Peay said the investigation findings will be turned over to Utah County Attorney Kay Bryson whom would make any final decision about what charges, if any, would be pressed.


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User talk:Kelly Martin

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Talk:Greenpeace tries to thwart Chesapeake Bay fishing fleet

Headline
"thwart"? Who wrote this trashy headline? It's as biased as the Daily Mail.

"prevent from succeeding in or accomplishing something" it sounds ok to me, maybe "stop"? --JFM 16:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Synonyms: frustrate, spoil, prevent, foil, put paid to, ruin, put a stop to, stop, impede, hinder, obstruct

 * I know the headline I wrote stinks... it was the best I could do :(
 * Greenpeace knew the coast guard would be called in to stop them, so it was purely a publicity stunt.
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Foot Fingers?
 * For the record, was fixed back when the issue was first raised. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Rolling Stones unleash new song critical of Bush

August 11, 2005

A new song by the British rock band titled "Sweet Neo Con" has been stirring a controversy over its lyrics, which are highly critical of the Bush administration.

"You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite" is among the verses in "Sweet Neo Con", according to the Magazine . Lead singer commented on the song, saying "It is certainly very critical of certain policies of the administration, but so what! Lots of people are critical." Jagger, however, denies the criticism is directed at Bush.

The song is scheduled for release September 5 on a CD entitled "A Bigger Bang". Jagger told music critic Jude Cole of ExtraTV, "You can't make rock records without a lot of vitality."

The band is scheduled to start a tour in the United States, starting in, on August 21.


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Rubbish
It's worth mentioning this too, although its all rubbish what he says:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081000406_pf.html


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Tropical Storm Irene to intensify, may hit U.S. coast

August 11, 2005

Tropical Storm Irene will increase in strength over the next several days, possibly developing into a hurricane that will hit the east coast of the United States, said the National Hurricane Center of Miami, Florida in a report today.

Irene was located approximately 975 kilometers south-southeast of Bermuda at 16:00 UTC today. Forecasters say that the storm is now moving in a west-northwest direction with top sustained winds of 40 miles per hour.

Commenting on Irene's potential impact on the United States, James Franklin of the National Hurricane Center said, "It certainly doesn't look like the main threat is Florida, but stranger things have happened. ... It may well turn sharply enough (to the north) to not make landfall."

Irene is the ninth named storm in this year's Atlantic hurricane season. The average number of storms named by this point in the season is only two.


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Palmeiro benched on return to Major League Baseball

August 11, 2005

Baltimore Orioles baseball fans had a chance to vote for their support of Major League Baseball's (MLB) steroid use and policies with their home game attendance Thursday night. Rafael Palmeiro, back after serving a 10-game suspension for testing positive for stanozolol, was notably not in the starting line-up against the visiting Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Attendance was on the thin side, around 27,000 attended at the 48,262 capacity stadium at Camden Yards.

The Orioles concluded a 3-game sweep of the Rays with tonight's 4-2 win. Rafael Palmeiro watched from the dugout.

Palmeiro, this season's embattled designated hitter and sometimes first baseman, is an Orioles star who in March made finger wagging and emphatic denials of steroid use during his testimony before the House Committee on Government Reform. It was later learned that MLB officials had evidence of his drug use prior to the Palmeiro testimony, but none of that was known until the scandalous aftermath caused by their August 1 suspension of him.

Palmeiro responded to the suspension at a news conference that followed by saying he had no idea how traces of the steroid could be found in his urine, and that somehow he was an unwitting victim. The potent and easily detected steroid is almost always injected with a needle.

The House committee chairman, Tom Davis (R-VA), said Palmeiro voluntarily turned over documents that are being reviewed during their stepped up perjury investigation. MLB said they would turn over their documents today.

The prospects currently look dim for a Palmeiro nomination to baseball's Hall of Fame. Previously, he was virtually assured a place.

In a short meeting with ballpark press reporters before the game, Palmeiro, who earlier insisted he would not talk to the press said, "It's been a tough time for me and my family over the last couple of weeks, and at this time, I've been instructed by my attorneys not to comment on the situation. The time will come soon, hopefully, that I can explain my situation."

A local sportswriter David Steele called on fans to stay home and hit the sport in its money pockets. "Wondering what to do tonight, the official end of Palmeiro's insultingly brief punishment, when he suits up again at Camden Yards? Try this: stay home."


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The begining of the end of The Great Irish Property Bull Market. Visions of Hong Kong in the 90's arise. Vested interests from Realtors to Politicans and Banks have done a remarkable job keeping the facade of value up over the last four years. What has become a national past time topic of conversation is will slowly unravel the good work of the 90's. Shame on you Finana Fail, Shame on you Mr. Ahern.


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Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown

August 11, 2005

Russian researchers warn that Western Siberia has begun to thaw as a result of global warming. The frozen peat bogs in this region may hold billions of tons of methane gas, which may be released into the atmosphere. Methane is a greenhouse gas 22 times more powerful than carbon dioxide.

Sergei Kirpotin, of Tomsk State University warned New Scientist that the event is an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming".

David Viner, of the University of East Anglia told The Guardian: "When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable". He also warns that this event was not considered by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In May, scientists from the University of Alaska found methane "hotspots" in eastern Siberia where the gas bubbles out from thawing permafrost bogs at a rate that prevents the surface from freezing.

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Julian McGauran makes rude gesture to Australian Senate

August 12, 2005

The Senator in the Australian Senate had made an "unseemly" gesture across the floor of the Senate whilst it was in session on August 11, apparently as a result of interjections about a division taking place.

Whilst this was not immediately debated, Senator had asked the Acting Deputy President of the Senate to look into the matter. Later the President of the Senate ruled that the gesture was "unseemly but not obscene".

This ruling caused a fierce debate, with Senator Brown saying that McGauran's "arrogant and disgusting" actions exemplified the Government's attitude towards its new-found Senate majority, whilst Senator, the Senate leader, had criticised Brown of hypocrisy, stating that Brown had "broken every law in Australia" and "every law in Tasmania" (which Bartlett noted as a point of order as being hyperbole).

Senator McGauran then spoke, stating that he "regret[ted] his actions". Brown however noted that this was not an unqualified apology. A motion was then put that the President's ruling be dissented from, which debate was set for another sitting. Senator, the Senate leader and Senator Brown had called for McGauran's sacking as Chief Government whip; his National Party superiors have said that they will speak to McGauran about the incident.


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Is it just me or is that his index finger? What gesture is that? Krisjohn 06:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like he just got through picking his nose and is looking at the boogah. 67.71.120.60 01:57, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * laughing at that comment. -Edbrown05 02:29, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd say that the Australian Senate should be taking care of more important issues than Mr. McGauran's index finger, or whatever it was. Especially if he wasn't flicking them off... There are (hopefully) more important matters to attend to. (Tom) 21:14, 13 August 2005 (CET)
 * Have you seen Question Time? It's like a school yard. Krisjohn 22:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

As I look after children on a regular basis, I think that that's being unfair on children - that anyone behaving badly is said to be 'behaving like children'. Perhaps it should be 'behaving like pollies' instead? ;) - 220.237.30.150 03:03, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


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British Airways strike grounds flights at Heathrow

August 12, 2005

What began as a ground crew strike on Thursday has escalated into the grounding of all flights from Heathrow's Terminal 4 until at least 8pm Friday.

The row began with a funding crisis of meal provider, Gate Gourmet, which resulted in the axing of 200 full-time staff earlier on Wednesday. In reaction, unions of ground crews and baggage handlers from British Airways announced a stop work from Friday, which escalated into a full close-down of Terminal 4 on Friday due to overcrowding and backlog.

British Airways grounded more than 100 flights on Thursday evening, and by Friday evening, around 550 flights look to be cancelled. Other airlines which utilise Terminal 4 are also affected, including Qantas, Sri Lankan Airlines and Finnair, with incoming longhaul flights now being redirected to other European airports, including Frankfurt.

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The following hotlines have been set up for people who require more information for flights from Heathrow Terminal 4.

 * British Airways : 0909 894 4349
 * Qantas : 0870 000 0123
 * Sri Lankan Airlines : 020 8538 2000
 * Finnair : 0870 599 7711
 * GB Airways : 0909 894 5896
 * British Med Airlines : 0870 850 9850