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New bird flu outbreaks reported in Europe

December 5, 2005

Cases of the H5 type of the avian flu have been discovered in Romanian and Ukrainian fowl. Romania has banned hunting in parts of the country and Ukrainian troops have moved from house to house in villages rounding up chickens, ducks and geese for a mass cull.

The village of Ciocile in the Romanian county of Brăila has been quarantined and thousands of birds have been killed in an attempt to contain the outbreak, the Bucharest Daily News reported. The H5 virus had been detected in nearby villages of Bumbacari and Dudescu in previous tests on Thursday.

Romanian Agriculture Minister Gheorghe Flutur said that further tests in a British laboratory will be needed to determine whether the outbreak is the lethal H5N1 strain, which is feared to be able to mutate into a form that would be easily transmitted between humans.

The H5N1 strain has already been confirmed in the villages of Ceamurlia de Jos, Maliuc and Caraorman, where the virus is suspected to have been brought by birds from Russia. The large delta area is a destination for migrating fowl.

Meanwhile, five Ukrainian villages in the Crimean peninsula have been the site for a mass cull in order to contain the country's first bird flu outbreak. Though tough measures are being taken in the area, villagers say their poultry had been infected by the disease for more than two months without any official action being taken.

Ukrainian Agriculture Minister Oleksander Baranivsky confirmed the virus as the H5 subtype on Saturday. He said that the virus was highly lethal to birds and potentially dangerous to humans. According to official data, more than 2,500 birds had died since Friday. Samples were sent to British and Italian laboratories to determine whether the virus is the H5N1 strain.

Though Ukraine had previously been declared free of bird flu, the H5N1 virus strain had been found near its borders in Romania and Russia. Ukraine's top veterinary surgeon, Petro Verbytsky, however stressed that no humans had been affected by the virus, and that contagion was unlikely. "There is 1,000 times less chance of becoming ill from bird flu than there is from tuberculosis," he said.

The H5N1 strain of the avian influenza has killed almost 70 people in parts of Asia since 2003, prompting the slaughter of millions of fowl.

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Talk:Interview with Jimbo Wales

Please note that this article (and the corresponding talk page) are still protected from page moves. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 02:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Original reporting notes
An interview with Jimmy Wales took place in the #Wikinews IRC channel, with several Wikinews reporters including Kim_Bruning, Mats_Halldin, Datrio, and Amgine asking questions collected from a range of sources about Wikinews, the upcoming Wikimedia Foundation Fund Drive, and related topics. Here is a transcript of the questions asked and answered.

Transcript

 * Wikinews seems primarily dedicated to regurgitating what is already being published on main stream media news sources. Was this the vision for Wikinews? : [JWales] I would not use the term 'regurgitating', which sounds rather negative, but rather 'synthesis' which is a more subtle and more important process. This was always a part of the core vision for wikinews, though of course we want to do a lot more in time.
 * The wiki movements seem focused on local expertise; people work on things they are interested and expert in. Why is there very little local news on Wikinews, which it seems like it would be best qualified to produce? : [JWales] Wiki editing thrives on local knowledge, but 'local' in an epistemological sense, not necessarily in a geographical sense. For example, I personally know a lot more about world news on topics that interest me and could synthesize much better in those areas, than I know about local politicians where I live.
 * Do you believe that Wikinews, or any of the Wiki projects qualify as a meritocracy? : [JWales] I hope so. :-) Although the wiki process sometimes strikes people as being inherently favoring egalitarianism or anarchy, there is a certain sense in which the wiki editing tool is neutral to social structures. As a matter of simple description, it does turn out that users who do quality work end up having a lot more power than users who do bad work. So in that sense, yes, it is a meritocracy, but an informal one.
 * Current Events" is not "encyclopedic" enough to reside on Wikipedia! On many Wikipedia projects content have been moved to Wikibooks and Wikisource, shouldn't "Current Events" be transfered to Wikinews in the same way? : [JWales] I have no very strong opinion about this. Encyclopedia articles about current events are in many ways different from news articles about current events. I suspect we should have some parallel work going on, and Wikinews should be more prominently featured in this way on the Wikipedia homepage. But that's a big internal community discussion that other people know more about than I do.
 * When Wikinews was started a year ago, a need for new functions quickly appeared. Dynamic Page Lists are crucial to Wikinews and several other tools should be developed as they are asked for. The situation is similar on other projects (e.g. Wiktionary), maybe a plan for developing a project specific software package should precede the creation of new projects? : [JWales] I do think we could do a better job of anticipating the software needs of new projects, but it is also important to understand that a lot of needs are not readily apparent a priori. Sometimes we have to try to do things for awhile before we really have an understanding of where the problem points are.
 * AP has changed their copyright notice with articles to include "you may not rewrite this article." Is Wikinews creating an impact on how other news sources release their information? : [JWales] I think that mainstream news sources are very much paying attention not just to wikinews but to the entire citizen journalism movement. I think that many thoughtful people in the business understand that a sea change is happening, and are interested in figuring out how to empower more community input while still getting the best out of the old models.
 * I had dinner with Don Graham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Graham) last Friday night, and he's an example of someone who isn't reacting to new media with shock and horror, but rather with keen interest in trying to see what the trends will be and how to adapt.

 * Could you expand on "the best out of the old models."? : [JWales] Well, to expand on 'best of the old models' -- one thing that often comes up is that you have a reputation mechanism in traditional publishing, a mechanism which sometimes breaks, but which mostly works. Citizen journalism has to find ways to generate the same kind of reputation mechanisms. Blogs are finding that, to some extent.
 * What is your opinion on Wikinews users gaining credentials to be used in the field? : [JWales] It sounds cool to me, although I'm sensitive to the concerns that people have put forward about it. It's something I plan to study further this month, to see how it is working in practice so far, and to see what users feel about it.
 * Have you had any reports back about it so far? As in experiences that people have had? : [JWales] None.
 * This fund drive is open-ended; there is no financial goal. One can find rumours there are estimates of unstated goals which start at a million dollars US and go up from there. How much money does the Wikimedia Foundation need to raise from this drive? : [JWales] Rumors sounds strange to me. Rumors?  Anyway, our best estimate for the bare minimum needed in the next year just to keep the website running is $1 million to $2 million depending on how long and how fast traffic continues to grow.  Traditionally we have been constrained in our growth by the website responding slowly during the time we are waiting for new servers to be purchased and integrated into the system.
 * Our _stated_ goal is to create and distribute a freely licensed high quality encyclopedia to every single person on the planet in their own language.
 * We know that we are achieving that goal very well in some parts of the world, and not so well in other parts of the world.
 * It is my intention that we should experiment with some ways that funding could help with this: for example, hiring co-ordinators for some small languages, to recruit native speakers to work on the project.

 * 1-2 million USD is a big jump from the past budgets; is that kind of budget growth sustainable with the fundraiser model? : [JWales] Well, that's an open question but I think so. Needs increase with traffic increases, but with traffic increases we have a bigger audience to ask for help. Hopefully those two things scale together reasonably well.
 * Ward Cunningham was discussing a distributed wiki model at wikimania, has this avenue been pursued further? : [JWales] I don't know of any serious technical work being done on a distributed wiki model, but I'm personally a skeptic about whether such a model would serve our actual needs. I'm open to ideas though. :-)
 * Do you think having an open fundraiser will bring in more or less money than having a fundraiser with a definite goal? Why do you think so? : [JWales] I think that having an open fundraiser will bring in more money, for two reasons.
 * First, I think people have often looked at the pace of the fundraising and the amount being raised, and made a decision not to give based on the fact that we seemed to be meeting our goal.
 * Second, I just go by the general behavior of other large charities, which often have open fund drives. I assume they do so for a good reason. In any event, we should try it and see.

 * But is there a reason to call it a "drive" at all if there is no goal? : [JWales] I often think that, as Wikipedians, we project our own ways of thinking onto our audience. We are the sort of people who look closely at budgets and think about goals and achievability.  That's great for us.  But a lot of people are ready to trust us and will respond better to our big picture vision.  They don't care to know in grand detail (though of course we will always stand ready to tell them) where every penny is going.  They respond, instead, to an appeal to the aesthetic beauty of our project.
 * The fundraiser is very low-key, and barely visible. If raising money is so important to the future of the project, why doesn't WMF put it front and center, giving it real space and bandwidth on the main pages and even article pages? : [JWales] Well, we do that during the actual fund drive, but we're hopelessly tasteful of course, so I doubt we will ever be too horribly glaring about it. :-)
 * The current fundraiser is manually updated, takes place exclusively online, and so on. It's rather like a high school prom fundraiser in the USA. Have you considered developing an integrated campaign with feedback, for example automating a graph of the funds raised and tracking the donations across countries and currencies? : [JWales] Yes, we would love to have a fancier system. It is my feeling that we're going to have to pay for the development of such a system, because volunteer developers are (quite rightly) more interested in more intellectually challenging programming issues.  So part of why we need to raise money is so we can be more efficient about raising money in the future.
 * You have become a cause célèbre, and famous with the rise of the Wikipedia project. Are you using your celebrity to encourage the rich and famous people you’ve come in contact with to make donations? : [JWales] Yes. I'm now a full-time beggar. :)
 * Many traditional charity programs spend the majority of fundraising dollars on fundraisers. What is the estimate for the cost of this fundraiser, versus what you expect to raise? To qualify this question; some of the fundraising ratios seen are upwards of 80% of funds raised go for fundraising. : [JWales] For the exact numbers, it will be best to consult with Mav (our CFO) and Michael (our Treasurer) as well as published results from past efforts. But obviously since the fund raising is done almost exclusively on the website itself (which costs no money), our efficiency is very very high.  I don't know the exact numbers, but our costs are mostly just the bank fees and paypal fees.
 * I think it's terrible when charities are that inefficient. I think fundraising expenses should be as low as reasonably possible.

 * The current conflict over the Seigenthaler article has raised some ire outside the internet wikimedia community; How do you think this will affect, if at all, corporate or personal donations during this fund drive? : [JWales] I don't think it will affect it. It's just news, there's always some news.  If anything, I am hopeful that donations will increase just because more people are learning of us.
 * On what do you intend to spend this fundraiser's donations? Do you plan to use some of the funding raised to improve the reliability of Wikipedia? For example, will you hire fact checkers? : [JWales] The bulk of the money will go, as usual, to hardware purchases. Some of the money will go to improving the software, which in turn will improve reliability.  Hiring fact checkers is not being considered.
 * Fundraisers are not the only source of funding for Wikimedia Foundation. What other revenue streams, such as grants and contracts, does the Foundation currently have? What others are being applied for or worked on? : [JWales] We have a small but growing amount of income from partners who pay us for the service of a realtime data stream. For people who reuse our content commercially this is a nice way for them to get a more quickly updated result. We have gotten a few grants in the past, and some grants are being worked on now.
 * Danny Wool recently joined the foundation, working in the office as my assistant, but a portion of his time is devoted to grant applications. We anticipate that in the future he will work fulltime on grant applications after training a replacement assistant for me.

 * What companies are paying realtime data streams? : [JWales] Answers.com for example.
 * You've mentioned hiring some new employees, like Danny Wool. What's the projection for incresing the budget for employee time? : [JWales] I expect that in the coming year we will want to hire a minimum of 5-10 people, but depending on getting grants, I could see the number going much higher.
 * One thing which is certainly true at the moment: at the foundation level we are overwhelmed with work.

 * Today on en.wikipedia the ability to create new pages has been turned off for anonymous users. Is the wikimedia foundation slowly turning away from the original wiki principles? : [JWales] I don't view minor tweaks here and there to our model as either turning towards or away from wiki principles.
 * The mainland People's Republic of China has blocked WP, and today Onet.pl has removed WP from their search engine. Will changes in accessibility harm the fund drive? : [JWales] We don't traditionally get much money from mainland China, and I doubt if the Polish search engine example will hurt the traffic of pl.wikipedia very much. (It will probably hurt the search engine more!)
 * Mr. Seigenthaler's bio, and we've just discovered Mr. Graham's, were posted by anons. The first was a smear campaign, the second a copyvio of a press release. Obviously the former is a problem, but doesn't the latter also open Wikipedia up to being an advertising site? : We don't have a huge problem with people using Wikipedia for pr purposes, although I'm sure a little of it goes on here and there. I've never seen a really convincing case.
 * I'm a contributor mostly on the Swedish projects. You don't speak Swedish, so I'm wondering if you ever look at non-English projects? Do you even notice us? : [JWales] :)
 * I am learning to speak German, so I do try to read German Wikipedia. And I do look at other languages, although of course I can't read anything there.
 * What I do to try to be useful to other languages is communicate with people as much as I can, visit people in person as much as I can, and monitor the statistics pages to see what is going on.

Words are interesting things
I just read Jimbo's response to my query on whether or not Wikinews is a meritocracy. Like myself, he obviously takes the positive meaning from it as opposed to the very negative one laid out in the Wikipedia article. It might be an interesting read, but it doesn't back the meaning most people attach to the word. Wiktionary could probably do with an expansion on the term, and I suspect this interview is a defining use for the word.

What is lacking in terms of a focus to turn this into a good article is a particular subject, it really constitues a "hi" with no clear focus on an issue or topic. I'm sorry I didn't have a conf. call channel available, but I don't think it would have produced any more information for use in an article. As I have no idea what is the cause of controversy on Wikipedia I couldn't help there, and there are so few articles in mainstream media on Wiki that you can't gauge what would be a subject of interest. Brian McNeil / talk 21:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Fairly interesting editorial ran in USA Today about a couple weeks ago. The subject of the Wikipedia entry, Seigenthaler, called the anonymous contributor a "poison pen intellect", because the information was allegedly wrong. The following links to an aftermath editorial from the incident. I think it just points to ... well I'm just glad people keep an eye on things being posted here.
 * -Edbrown05 00:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * USAToday search page with a series of editorials published on the topic (somebody is noticing): http://asp.usatoday.com/search/yahoo/search.aspx?qt=both&nr=5&kw=wikipedia -Edbrown05 00:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * USAToday search page with a series of editorials published on the topic (somebody is noticing): http://asp.usatoday.com/search/yahoo/search.aspx?qt=both&nr=5&kw=wikipedia -Edbrown05 00:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Enough.
Previous comments on this article are about the subject matter in the article and not the article itself. The interview is news and this is a news site. As in irc, and elsewhere people have been asking why it hasn't been published without recieving any answer. I'm publishing it before it gets stale. If anyone has a problem edit it. If anyone edits it realize that this subject touches everyone at wikinews and you are asking for an assault by anyone you offend. BE EXTRA VERBAL about any changes you make in your comments. --Sfullenwider 22:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Alteration
Changed the date, it's been sitting there for so long that it's been inadvertently shoved way down on the list of news. This makes it appear old-news that's been posted days ago. --Sfullenwider 00:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
Shouldn't we put some photos of Mr. Wales into the interview? There are plenty of them at the Wikimedia Commons... Sawran 07:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hows that? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 20:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Much better. Sawran 20:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

What's the meaning of '"distributed wiki model"
A question for our translation in Frensh language from one of our contributor.

not clear for me (and others)
 * Is it an "economic model" ?
 * A kind of grid computing ?

Jacques Divol

 * I don't really know either ;) but I think he was refering to this presentation; maybe that helps. --Deprifry|+T+ 12:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Please change interwiki
Please change the ru interwiki to ru:Интервью с Джимбо Уэйлсом (current version is very irrelevant). --Ssr (talk) 11:18, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It was a redirect, I see. Iw retargeted.  --Pi zero (talk) 11:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have consolidated all the various Wikidata items into one for proper inter-wiki. See: Q17710285. The only one I couldn't find was the Polish article. Did they delete the interview? --SVTCobra 11:46, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Pi zero. By not removing the old inter-wiki links, we have many more broken links. I updated the Wikidata item to the current titles on all the local projects. I do not want to create redirects on all those projects or keep updating our inter-wiki links every time they move the interview. Do you? --SVTCobra 11:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, it looks like it just took the servers a few minutes to update the links. They all seem to be working now. --SVTCobra 12:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Improving Wikidata's Wikinews links is good, though I admit I've never bothered with Wikidata tracking of individual articles, which strikes me in most cases as playing to the inherent design flaws of Wikidata. In this case, though, it seems there would be no blurring of the identity of the news story, as the focus is the actual interview. It [Polish] appears to have been deleted twice, once in March 2006 ("decision to remove") and once in March 2007 ("Bot: Deleting a list of files"). The inherent negatives of Wikidata as a substitute for local interwikis were discussed some time back.  English Wikinews and English Wikibooks do not remove interwikis once the information is also on Wikidata.  The ideal situation as best I can figure, which I hope eventually to support via (all together, now) the dialog tools, would maintain local interwikis and a local list of wikidata items and local reasons for any deliberate discrepancies between the two.  If our interwikis do not match the wikidata items, modulo explained discrepancies, a semi-automated assistant would offer to help a human operator to decide whether-and-how to update either something here, or something on Wikidata.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the German one still isn't working. I did set Wikidata to the correct link of Interview mit Jimmy Wales von der Wikimedia Foundation. Are we going to have to change it manually? It is unclear to me at this point which method the software favors when providing the "In other languages" links. --SVTCobra 13:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:New bird flu outbreaks reported in Europe

"There is 1,000 times less chance of becoming ill from bird flu than there is from tuberculosis," This is misleading and irrelevant, because the point is not that an individual may be infected, but instead that via mutation it may lead to a more massive outbreak. It's not about the current, but instead about what it may lead to in the future.--82.141.54.195 22:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

the last human mutation outbreak accrued in 1968–69. How many other hundreds of thousand viruses have the chance mutating every day? "This is misleading and irrelevant" pretty much sums up your argument. Remember kiddies get you flue shots they only cost $30 per person and its winter in the US Remeber while your at it ask about pfizer new wonder drug --Whywhywhy 23:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I was under the impression that ordinary flu shots don't provide protection against bird flu? - Apollyon 14:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Bush's Iraq 'Strategy' seen as public relations exercise

How is this news again? A few people who misunderstood the meaning of a document released by the White House? I'm not finding any factual information here that withstands a news article, other than speculating who the author is (in which case, it was probably a collaboration of many people, and highly unlikely under the wing of only one person). Even if this document/publication was aimed at the public opinion, it's worthless unless there was a sizable population claiming it as so and pointing it out in whatever fashion. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 00:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I commented on the edit summary, your answer? -Edbrown05 01:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * My answer is I can say something isn't news because I am an editor here. Everyone's opinion and input counts, so don't try to ignore certain users.  Not only is it against common etiquette, it's also very distasteful and may be considered disruption if further actions continue.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Then don't ingnore my input. It's news. The New York Times a top U.S. paper thinks it is news, they did a story on it. The person who wrote it thinks it is news. Others who contributed to the story after it was published think it is news. -Edbrown05 01:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Then answer to me why you think it is news, without giving me the "other sources" routine. No excuses, just reasoning.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It directly refutes Scott McClellan. -Edbrown05 01:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I can refute John Murtha's claims, but you won't get an article about it. What makes this any different?  Who is behind the inquiry?  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:35, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It ain't about Murtha. -Edbrown05 01:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It's an example, which is highly applicable in a hypothetical situation extremely similar to this one. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Stick to the story and quit twirling around. The administration is trying to create and impression, others are trying to debunk the impression. What's the problem with that... it is the purpose of news to report. Do you prefer silence? Is there a factual problem with the article. Respect others, I mentioned above that others think it is news. -Edbrown05 01:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And I don't think it is unless there was an organization or sizable population behind the movement of trying to impose something. Otherwise, it's just a stated fact that should be put in a WP article.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * How would anyone know about it if it can't be reported?! What are you doing, censoring the news? -Edbrown05 01:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Asking how an article can be news isn't "censoring" the news at all. It's improving the standards of news we release, and should be promoting the image of Wikinews to the readers.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I earlier had praised Doldrums on his discussion page for writing this excellent article, sorry you don't believe the story to be so. -Edbrown05 01:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * And this story is out on the RSS feed, so now folks who come here will see a nice tag saying "Not news" when the story loads after reading the headline on their home page. Yes, you are making a good impression MrM. -Edbrown05 02:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * That's really hard to take seriously from a user who has reverted another user's edits, especially if the user has actionable objections. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:29, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Duh... describe the actionable part. -Edbrown05 02:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * As I have been saying, there is no basis for this to be considered a newsworthy article. There's no one lobbying for it's status, there's no groups or prominant persons who bring this issue up, it's an interpretation by the writer.  And that isn't newsworthy, nor is it even NPOV.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I see your "no news idea" out of merit International 02:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Reporting the unreported and ignored news should be praised not punished here and it should be incouraged.Reporters around the world and in all levels often make connections based on the facts --Whywhywhy 11:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

mrm no cencership on Wikinews
Nobody will tolerate it International 02:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Personally, I think MrM has already broken the 3-revert rule since the "Not news" tag is not actionable. He reverted Doldrums "publish" once, and my "publish" twice. -Edbrown05 02:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Just "publish" it again International. -Edbrown05 02:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Censorship would be me deleting your user page. Censorship would be me banning you because I didn't like what you were writing.  This is not censorship.  This is trying to improve Wikinews' quality.  And anyone who objects to that ought to look at some other options.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thx International, you had already "published" before I finished my post above. -Edbrown05 02:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

A nice cup of tea and a sit down
I suggest all parties take a bit of a break, before things get out of hand.

That said, the lede sentence:

 * Revelations that the US commander of the Multinational Security Transition Command in Iraq had no knowledge of the National Strategy for Victory in Iraq document released by the President and speculation that it was chiefly authored by a public opinion analyst have led to calls that the drafted 'strategy' is targetting US public opinion, not the Iraqi insurgency.

Does not describe either a news event or, with specificity, a document. What revelations, by whom, when, where, how and why? What calls, from whom, when, where, why and how? -  Amgine | talk 02:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I specifically mentions the document. -Edbrown05 02:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC) lol

 * It mentions a title. What is the document, why is it important? In what news event does it play a role? These are things which, after reading the article, I am still unsure of. -  Amgine | talk 03:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The document is in external linksInternational 03:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that. But I'd like to know what we know about that document, rather than going to read the contents of the document. Context, the who what where when why how of the news event. -  Amgine | talk 03:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * yes, your point is well taken Amgine. Doldrums did ask for help with the intro and none was forthcoming. After I cool a bit, I'll take a crack at it. -Edbrown05 03:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

alt intro
The National Strategy for Victory in Iraq document released by the President is targetting US public opinion, not the Iraqi insurgency says Ph.D Christopher F. Gelpi. The document is mainly authored by a public opinion analyst. The US commander of the Multinational Security Transition Command in Iraq had no knowledge of the document before released to media.

International 04:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Where do you find that info. International? -Edbrown05 04:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

But Christopher F. Gelpi, Feaver's colleague at Duke and co-author of the research on American tolerance for casualties, tells the Times on Sunday that this week's 35-page report "is not really a strategy document from the Pentagon about fighting the insurgency. The Pentagon doesn't need the president to give a speech and post a document on the White House Web site to know how to fight --the insurgents. The document is clearly targeted at American public opinion."

This person is Dr. Peter D. Feaver, a 43-year-old Duke University political scientist who joined the National Security Council staff as a special adviser in June. White House officials, while saying the document contained contributions from many federal departments, confirmed, according to the Times, that “its creation and presentation strongly reflected the public opinion research” of Dr. Feaver.

The second sorce in article

wait International 05:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Wath do you think? International 05:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Use it if you like it. Im going to sleep now International 05:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

alt lead & other concerns raised
changed the lead paragraph, as the present lead does not summarise the content of the article.

addressing mrm's concerns:
 * factual info: revelation that feaver was among authors and, according to white house staffer quoted, a significant one, that the man who is to implement the bulk of the strategy - Lt. Gen. Dempsey never had heard of it.
 * mrm's characterisation that the people quoted in the article have "misunderstood" the document is not substantiated.
 * see no guideline/policy suggesting that a "sizable population" should claim something for it to be reported on wikinews.
 * as to whether the content is newsworthy: i contend that it is relevent, reports facts, qutes opinions properly & neutrally. please point to any deficits u percieve.

 * Doldrums, that is an editorial - not news. Please see the content guide which describes what Wikinews considers news. The first thing this article does not do is focus on a single news event or phenomenon. There are several important news events which this article touches on, but it needs to focus on one of these to the exclusion of the others.

 * The current lede very specifically is a problem. It really should be replaced. -  Amgine | talk 04:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * is the only problem with the article is that it reports on more than one event? am not convinced the line separating different events is all that that clear. does this also report two different events - the graduation ceremony and the release of the strategy? Doldrums 05:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * imo, that article is predominately about the release/publication of the strategy. I would say the current article has issues primarily because it does not have a focused event or phenomenon to cover. For example, the statement by the general that he had never seen this document is one event to focus on. The phenomenon that the strategy document was not created by the military is a separate item. The former *might* be useful in an article about the latter, but the latter would not work in an article about the former unless it were a very limited paragraph as background. -  Amgine | talk 05:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * thank you, amgine, for your opinion. imo, this article is predominantly about the criticism of the document in the light of its authorship & development. Doldrums 06:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Criticism of the document is not a news event or phenomenon. It's an editorial. Wikinews does not do editorials. See What Wikinews is not. -  Amgine | talk 06:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * quoting the relevent policy:
 * "Wikinews articles are not editorials. Articles should restrict themselves to reporting news and not commenting on the news or newsmakers."
 * the article does not make any comment itself. it reports accurately and in a balanced way, reactions to the release of the document and the revelations regarding its authorship, with full attribution. so it does not constitute an editorial. Doldrums 06:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

commenting in sources
I had a thought that after every paragraph we could start commenting in the parts of each article from the sources thus making things clearer if thats possible.--Whywhywhy 11:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Reporting dead link www.whitehouse.gov

 * http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html has gone offline. The content in now available at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html.

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Ford pulls ads from gay media facing AFA boycott

December 6, 2005

Facing a threatened boycott from the American Family Association, Ford Motor Company pulled its advertising from gay publications early this week. The American Family Association (AFA) quickly claimed a cultural victory after Ford made the decision. The AFA was threatening to boycott Ford because of its previous support for certain gay civil rights associations, such as the Human Rights Campaign, and advertising in the gay media in publications such as The Advocate.

In June, the AFA announced that it would postpone a boycott when Ford agreed to negotiate with the organization. The negotiations were organized by Ford Executives Ziad Ojakli and David Leitch, both of whom previously held important posts in the Bush White House.

"They've heard our concerns; they are acting on our concerns. We are pleased with where we are," said AFA’s chairman Donald Wildmon. "Obviously there are still some small matters of difference, as people will always have, but generally speaking, we are pleased with the results—and therefore the boycott that had been suspended [is] now officially ended."

According to the AFA’s Web site, the list of demands included that Ford and all of its brands stop donating money, merchandise, and endorsements to pride celebrations and groups such as the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, the Human Rights Campaign, and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. HRC, GLAAD, and the Task Force are expected to release statements by close of business on Friday.

The AFA ended in May what is considered a largely ineffective nine-year boycott of The Walt Disney Co. The boycott had been launched over its holding of gay-related events at its theme parks and for giving employees with same-sex domestic partners benefits equal to those with other-sex partners.


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Disney gives same-sex employees equal benefits
"The boycott had been launched over its holding of gay-related events at its theme parks and for giving same-sex employees equal benefits."

What's wrong with men receiving the same benefits as other men, or women the benefits of other women? Or am I interpreting "same-sex employees" incorrectly? Something seems to be missing from that phrase or sentence to clarify it.
 * Hopefully "same-sex" isn't short for "same-sex-partnered". Karen 01:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * of course it is, well that is at least the intention. why hopefully btw? Boneyard 09:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


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US Secretary Rice responds to European enquiries on alleged CIA prisons

December 7, 2005 The United States Condoleezza Rice has begun to address concerns raised by the EU, the, and several member countries about the CIA's detention practices upon her arrival in Germany for a European tour that began Tuesday.

"As a matter of US policy, the United States' obligations under the, which prohibits, of course, cruel and inhumane and degrading treatment, those obligations extend to US personnel wherever they are, whether they are in the United States or outside the United States," said Rice, speaking from the Ukrainian capital of on Wednesday.

Media reports and Human Rights groups have alleged that the CIA transported prisoners through European countries, which could violate  and the sovereignty of countries involved. Secretary Rice claimed that the United States has respected the sovereignty of other countries, and that it has not transported detainees from one country to another for the purpose of interrogation using torture, and has not transported anyone to a country when we believe he will be tortured.

"We consider the captured members of Al-Qaeda and its affiliates to be who may be held, in accordance with the law of war, to keep them from killing innocents. We must treat them in accordance with our laws, which reflect the values of the American people. We must question them to gather potentially significant, life-saving, intelligence. We must bring terrorists to justice wherever possible," Rice told reporters before she left from Andrews Air Force base on Monday.

Rice said that European nations should realize that interrogations of terrorist suspects have produced information that has saved European lives. However, Secretary Rice provided no specific cases. "Secretary Rice made extra-legal rendition sound like just another form of extradition. In fact, it's a form of kidnapping and 'disappearing' someone entirely outside the law," said Tom Malinowski, a official in Washington.

The CIA practice known as "extraordinary rendition" is used to interrogate terrorist suspects outside the U.S., where they are not subject to American legal protection.

"Kidnapping a foreign national for the purpose of detaining and interrogating him outside the law is contrary to American values," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on the case. "Our government has acted as if it is above the law. We go to court today to reaffirm that the rule of law is central to our identity as a nation."

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Former South African official Jacob Zuma charged with rape

December 6, 2005

Former deputy president of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, has been charged with rape and has appeared in the Johannesburg Magistrate's court. Zuma has been released on R20 000 bail. He has since announced that he has voluntarily decided to suspend his participation in the ANC leadership structure during the trial.


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Mass graves found in Lebanon

December 13, 2005

Two mass graves discovered in Lebanon near a former Syrian intelligence center in Anjar have reopened the investigations for persons missing from the Lebanese civil war (1975 – 1990).

Lebanese officials have announced DNA samples of the remains found will be tested.

Troops unearthed at least 30 bodies buried in the 1980s and 1990s.

Syrian troops withdrew from Lebanon last spring, ending a 30-year occupation. Prior to his assassination, Gebran Tueni commented that "the Syrian regime has been exposed with the discovery of the mass graves."

Amnesty International has been critical of the exhumation, calling for UN standards of investigation.

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David Cameron elected new UK Conservative Leader

December 6, 2005

David Cameron has been elected the new leader of the United Kingdom Conservative Party, beating off his rival David Davis by a factor of two to one in a postal ballot of the nationwide party membership.

The thirty-nine year old has said he is committed to an agenda of reform within his party, characterised by his 'Change to Win' leadership campaign.


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 * Well, yeah. But we aren't really using subst around here, although you're right it would probably be better. I guess we are just lazy ;). --Deprifry|+T+ 19:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hehe. But another thing, it screws up section editing… Oh well. Jon Harald Søby 19:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
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Checkuser premature?
Please note ongoing discussion and rescind your premature checkuser designation. Redman 22:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Also Water_cooler --Cspurrier 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems "wikistalking" is a reality. Redman 23:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Bit paranoid there aren't we :) I along with several other users watch the Wikinews RC IRC (#en.wikinews on irc.wikimedia.org) channel, using it you can see edits in almost real time. I read or at least glance, at almost all edits on Wikinews, as do many other users, especially when the subject line is as interesting as “Checkuser premature?”.--Cspurrier 23:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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This template requires a parameter giving a reason, you should also leave the text unless it is libellous so the admin deleting it can check. Most admins probably ignore the template's extra parameter, but if it is not present the instructions say you should remove the tag. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Okay. My main priority was removing it from the main page, which I achieved by deleting all the other text, but deleting the publish template would probably suffice, I guess. Jon Harald Søby 13:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Rollback?
I am curious, how did you do this if you are not an admin? I don't particularly mind, but am just curious. Cirt (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It must have been global rollback, nevermind. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oui, you are correct. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah okay thanks, and thank you for your help on the project. Cirt (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

wtf
While I'm sure your cry of "what the fuck?" was rhetorical, I'm going to answer it anyways :p. From the article: " "I knew it was wrong, I knew it was unlawful," said Nelson." should reveal all. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Yup, I understood that there was something like that involved – however, without that context, the title suggested that the detainee was killed illegally, as opposed to doing it the legal way, you know. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Berlusconi follow up story
Hi. I'm gonna add to the "wtf" above, with one of my own, wtf :)? Could I please ask for your reasoning (having seen the edit summary you left) for your moving the follow up story on Silvio Berlusconi's assault, and the fact that he now remains in hospital? The original article yesterday already quoted his name along with his position in the title, so anyone seeing the followup would most likely have known who I was on about anyhow.  "Prime Minister of Italy to remain in hospital" had nothing wrong with it :)  Iceflow (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree there was nothing wrong with it, it's simply that I believe more people know him as Berlusconi than as "the Prime Minister of Italy" (I, for one, for years thought he was the President of Italy and not the Prime Minister), and virtually all other stories I've seen on the matter elsewhere refer to Berlusconi in the title and not to his position. Therefore the original title struck me as somewhat off, if you know what I mean. As for the relation to yesterday's article, I didn't remember it upon reading this one (but I probably did see it in the RSS feed), and think it would be wrong to expect all readers to have read it and/or remember it. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 09:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

At least 85 dead in shooting at Norwegian youth camp
Hi. Site policy requires that if you make a substantive edit to a published article, you don't site it yourself. So you should have left for someone else to sight.

The policy was put in place in early 2010, and Blood Red Sandman wanted to put notices on everybody's talk pages letting them know, but there were objections that that would have been sort of spam-like. So we're stuck letting people know one at a time as the issue comes up. (Clearly we should have done as Blood Red Sandman suggested, but, well, we didn't.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:20, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I don't see removing misinformation as "substantive", but I understand the principle, and will follow it from now on. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. I realise you’ve not edited here for a while but I came across the above page. Do you still need it or should we delete it? Cheers for your time. --Green Giant (talk) 00:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. Since there has been no response for almost six months, the page has been deleted. Let me know if you need a copy of it. [24Cr][talk] 20:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Military plane crash in Iran, at least 100 dead

December 6, 2005

Authorities have confirmed 128 dead following a plane crash in Tehran. The Iranian Air Force C-130 military transport plane collided with a 10-storey apartment building, while attempting to make an emergency landing.

The air force airliner crashed at approximately 14:10 local time (10:40 UTC) nearing the runway in Mehrabad International Airport for an emergency landing because of an engine malfunction eight minutes after the initial take-off, killing all 94 people aboard and sparking fires in the apartment building that houses about 250 people consisting of military personnel and their families. 34 people has been killed from the residents and 132 injured. Most of the airplane passengers were Iranian radio and television journalists.

The victims have been recovered to nearby hospitals in Towhid residential area in southern Tehran.


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Australian Government passes new terror laws

December 6, 2005

The Australia Federal Government has passed wide-ranging new counter-terrorism laws that civil opponents warned will disintegrate civil liberties. The federal parliament has agreed to laws aimed at stifling home-grown terrorists. The terrorism legislation was rushed through the Senate yesterday evening after the Government gagged debate on the bill.

The new laws enable police and intelligence agencies to detain suspects without charge for up to 14 days in solitary confinement. Authorities can also restrict and control movements of suspects, including fitting them with electronic tags for up to 12 months.

Prime Minister John Howard introduced the package after the July 2005 bombings in London. Federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison told the Senate the laws would give authorities the necessary tools to tackle terrorism, while being consistent with international human rights obligations.

John North, president of the Law Council of Australia, an outspoken critic of the package, said lawyers would monitor the government's use of its new powers. "We want governments to know that almost 50,000 lawyers will be watching closely to make sure the new laws are not implemented at the expense of our civil liberties," Mr North said. He also said in a letter addressed to Prime Minister John Howard that "The legal profession believes that the ramifications of these laws have the potential to be as terrifying as terrorism itself." This following a media campaign launched by the Law Council in newspapers vilifying the new legislation as "draconian".

The package, broadly supported by the opposition Labor Party, gives police tougher powers to stop, search and seize evidence from suspects and enables more close circuit television cameras to be used to monitor public places. The new legislation also updates sedition laws and allow greater use of security cameras.

The Australian Greens, the Democrats and the Law Council accuse the Labor Party of selling out civil rights by supporting the bill, which will give unprecedented powers to police and spy agencies. Australian Greens leader Bob Brown condemned the laws. "We are in a new period of McCarthyism and we need to know that, and understand it, and worry that this time it won't be turned around, that citizens, using a law like this, will be brought before courts for political reasons, not security reasons," he told parliament.

Following some amendments, the Commonwealth Ombudsman will be given more power to oversee detention, detainees will have greater access to relatives and police will need to satisfy a greater number of grounds to impose limits on who a suspect can contact. The Australian Law Reform Commission will review the sedition provisions next year.

Civil libertarians and people who oppose Australia's involvement in Iraq also have protested. The proposed laws are "horrific for journalists," senior Fairfax journalist David Marr said. "Firstly, there's a completely secret new regime of putting people in preventive detention — that's entirely secret," he said. "If we report it, if we report that people have gone into preventive detention, we're going to go individually to jail for five to seven years, something like that. Even if we report what happened to people in detention, we go to jail. "

Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission president John Von Doussa says the proposed counter-terrorism laws are the first step towards a police state. The legislation gives police extraordinary powers to detain people without charge, but does not set out means by which the application of those powers can be checked or appealed, he said.

Prime Minister John Howard rejects suggestions the Government acted in undue haste by pushing a range of striking new laws through parliament before Christmas, despite public outcry over inadequate scrutiny and the gagging of parliamentary debate on many of the bills.

Defence Minister, Senator Robert Hill says the government has a responsibility to protect Australians. "Out of the British bombing, we went back and looked at our laws. We believed that we needed further powers to protect Australians, said Mr Hill. "Obviously, we want to put them through as quickly as possible because we are addressing a terrorist threat."


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Should this read "Australian Government passes new terror laws" as the title?

 * changed--elliot_k 19:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Expanded response by 'law council of australia' as it is a source of authority. --Goldiemicky 12:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


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Kansas Professor assaulted by angry intelligent design supporters

December 6, 2005

Professor Paul Mirecki, the chairman of the Religious Studies Department at the University of Kansas, was hospitalized after being assaulted by two unidentified men who made references to the class he had planned to teach in the spring. The course, entitled "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies" was intended to support evolution, and explore creationism as a mythology.

Professor Mirecki had left his home and was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men tailgating him in a pickup truck. He said, "I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind." "They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out."

John Calvert, managing director of the Intelligent Design Network, had previously objected to Professor Mirecki's focus on creationism as mythology, and claimed that the religious studies professor was "labeling anybody who proposes [intelligent design] to be simply a religious nut".

Paul Mirecki had already decided to cancel the course after he caused controversy by using the slang term "fundies" to refer to Christian Fundamentalists in an email to a student organization, the Society for Open Minded Atheists and Agnostics. Professor Mirecki has apologized for using the term, which is viewed as a slur by some conservatives.


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This article is litle short, maybe somewiki like to expand it. International 19:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


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Witnesses testify in former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's trial

December 6, 2005

As the trial of Saddam Hussein drew another day of testimony, the court heard the testimony of five witnesses of the killing of 140 men in Dujail, a town north of Baghdad.

Witnesses who feared showing their face or voice were allowed to testify in a covered box with their voice altered. Their names were also protected and each witness was named with a letter. The defense was, however, allowed to know the name of the witnesses as long as those names were not disclosed outside the proceedings.

Tuesday's court session lasted around nine hours.

Testimony Highlights

Witness A

 * Female
 * Iraqi intelligence officers in the Abu Ghraib prison beat her with cables and gave her electric shocks
 * Recalled torture of family members and others in prison
 * Officers destroyed homes and orchards

Witness C

 * Male
 * Taken to Baath Party headquarters at age 12, where he was tortured and then sent to Abu Ghraib prison
 * Spent four years in desert prison camp
 * Saw Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti at Baath Party headquarters in Dujail
 * Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti is Hussein's half brother


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Talk:Kansas Professor assaulted by angry intelligent design supporters

Questions regarding focus
Third paragraph is not specifically relevant to this article.

The mention of Anne Coulter (fourth paragraph) is spurious without connection to this article's topic.

The article topic is an assault on a professor, believed to be motivated by religious fervour. That alone makes this a powerful article. Can we stay focused on that, rather than bringing in unrelated emotional attempts to sensationalize an already sensational event? -  Amgine | talk 20:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I removed the Ann Coulter reference. I disagree on the third paragraph not being relevant: it's proper background of criticism of a person who is beaten by thugs criticising the same. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ann Coulter was included only to give an example, since many christian fundamentalists selfidnetify as such, and she objects to this, but removing it is fine too. As for the third paragraph, Calvert is perhaps the major player, aside from Mirecki, in the original contraversy surounding the course. He deserves to be quoted as such, as we never ran an article on the original contraversy. His role in pushing the contraversy into the popular news media should also be mentioned, but I did not do so, yet. Nyarlathotep 21:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe reference to Ann Coulter was relevant because her writings are an example of the type of divisive, right-wing editorialising that contributes to this type of hate crime. Her columns would have fit well in Germany in the 1930s as facisim was taking hold.

Such rhetoric prevents meaningful discourse on the theory of intelligent design, a theory that has been hyjacked by the religious fundimentalists.


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Stevie Wonder to perform pre-game show for Superbowl XL

December 6, 2005

Stevie Wonder is slated to perform the pre-game show for Super Bowl XL on February 5, 2006. This announcement was not made by the NFL, but by Wonder's record label, Motown.

Detroit, where Super Bowl 40 is being held, is the original home of Motown, and many of its residents were upset that England's Rolling Stones would be performing the prestigious half-time show.


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A proper debriefing
Business Briefs? Are not "briefs" a type of male underware? Shouldn't the title be "brief," because the article is only one brief?
 * Maybe NASA's "Tech Briefs" are really some sort of high-tech undergarment. Their magazine and website http://www.nasatech.com/ has a similar format - a condensed written summary or abstract (brief) in one publication, covering multiple topics (briefs). Karen 01:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Typo
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H.H. Prince Karim Aga Khan IV visits Pakistan

December 5, 2005

His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan IV, Spiritual leader of Isma’illi Muslim community, is on an official visit to Pakistan. The objective of his visit is to show coordination with the relief efforts and condolence for the victims of the massive earthquake that struck Pakistan on October 8, which is reported to have killed over 70,000 people and left millions homeless.

HH Aga Khan addressed earthquake survivors at the Thuri camp, reassuring them of the ongoing support from the Aga Khan Foundation Network including helicopters, and of support for reconstruction.

 * I also want to say that how important it is that (the process of) rebuilding and reconstruction of your lives should occur in a rational and improved manner so that if there are future problems with seismic activity, population of this area of the world is less at risk where it is today.

The Prince announced a $50.3 million donation for quake relief at the Islamabad donors conference.


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Lawsuit filed against CIA for the use of torture

December 6, 2005

A German man, Khaled al-Masri, has filed a lawsuit against the CIA for alleged torture when he was held prisoner for five months in Afghanistan last year. He was arrested in 2004 in connection with the September 11 attacks when he was stopped in Macedonia. After being arrested, he was flown to Afghanistan for questioning. Masri said his cell in Afghanistan was cold, dirty and in a cellar, with no light and one dirty cover for warmth. The first night he said he was kicked and beaten and warned by an interrogator: "You are here in a country where no one knows about you, in a country where there is no law. If you die, we will bury you, and no one will know."

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is representing Mr. al-Masri in the lawsuit filed on Tuesday in Alexandria, Virginia seeking damages of at least $75,000. The main defendant is former CIA director.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in Germany and would not comment on the lawsuit but the new German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, "I'm happy to say we have discussed the one case, which the government of the United States has of course accepted as a mistake..."

A senior U.S. official accompanying Condoleezza Rice to Romania said that Rice had not admitted to any mistakes in the handling of Masri. "We are not quite sure what was in her head," he said, referring to Merkel.


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Wikinews:Briefs/Business/December 7, 2005

December 7, 2005

These are short blurbs about current events in the business world.

Verizon overhauling employee pension plans
Verizon announced Monday that it will stop making contributions to the pension plans of non-union managers and will instead offer 401(k) plans starting in 2006. The plan is intended to cut labor costs and will effect 50,000 management employees. Verizon hopes the change will save $3 billion over the next 10 years.

Microsoft plans to invest $1.7 billion in India
Microsoft plans to invest $1.7 billion in India over four years, nearly doubling the company's workforce in the country bringing the total employee count to nearly 7,000. Most of the money will be invested on its existing R&D center, its global software delivery unit, and opening retail outlets more rural areas. Microsoft also plans to release an edition of the Windows operating system specifically for India.


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Australian researchers confirm stress makes you sick

December 7, 2005

Australian researchers say they have scientifically proven that stress causes sickness. The in  has discovered that a hormone, known as  (NPY) is released into the body during times of stress. Their findings show the hormone can stop the immune system from functioning properly.

"Neuropeptide Y is one of those hormones that gets unregulated or released from neurones when stressful situations occur...it's known for example that it regulates blood pressure and heart rates so your heart rate goes up but it hasn't been known that it actually can affect immune cells as well," said Professor Herbert Herzog, one of the researchers.

Herzog feels it is good to finally have proof of something people have suspected for so long.

"Now we have proven without doubt that there is a direct link and that stress can weaken the immune system and that makes you more vulnerable when you for example have a cold or flu and even in the more serious situations such as cancer can be enhanced in these situations," said Herzog.

The Garvan Institute study centres on two key events that enable the human body to recognise foreign substances and control invaders. When our body encounters a pathogen (bacteria and viruses), the immune cells retain and interrogate suspects. Their activation is made possible by NPY. These cells then return to the lymph nodes, which are found all over the body, with information about the foreign invaders. The lymph nodes are where decisions about defence are made.

"Most of us expect to come down with a cold or other illness when we are under pressure, but until now we have mostly had circumstantial evidence for a link between the brain and the immune system," said lead Garvan researcher, associate Professor Fabienne Mackay. "During periods of stress, nerves release a lot of NPY and it gets into the bloodstream, where it directly impacts on the cells in the immune system that look out for and destroy pathogens (bacteria and viruses) in the body."

In the case of bacteria and viruses, TH1 cells are part of the attack team that is sent out on the ‘search and destroy' mission. But when their job is done they need to be turned ‘off' and the immune system reset. The same hormone, NPY, that activates the sentry cells now prompts the TH1 cells to slow down and die.

"Under normal conditions, circulating immune cells produce small amounts of NPY, which enables the immune cells on sentry duty and the TH1 immune cells to operate - it's a yin and yang kind of situation. But too much NPY means that the TH1 attack is prevented despite the foreign invaders being identified - and this is what happens during stress,” added McKay.

The impact of stress on the body has been observed in athletes. Ph. D researcher at the, , together with the Australian Institute of Sport, studied elite and recreational athletes over five months.

They found elite athletes were more susceptible to respiratory diseases under stress.

"A lot of elite athletes put themselves through vast amounts of physical stress in their training, but also their emotional, psychological stress of feeling the pressure of Australia on their shoulders, wanting to compete and wanting to do their best," said Spence.

It's not just athletes who are prone to stress. Pressures at work and at home may cause emotional and mental stress that can be equally damaging. Almost a third of all work absenteeism in Australia is due to illness, costing employers over 10 billion a year.

"I think it has a huge impact for the work force and also for employers - if their employees are constantly stressed, constantly under pressure, they are more likely to get sick," Spence said.

Further research could lead to the development of new drugs which may inhibit the action of the neuropeptide Y hormone.

Herzog warns people to minimise stress before it becomes a problem.

"Relaxation methods like yoga will help you to prevent that but there will still be people out there that are not responding to that and treatment by interfering with the system will be important," he said. "There's obviously some time until such a treatment will be available but this is something we will definitely work towards."

The Garvan research will be published in the , Volume 202, No. 11.


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Legal Sony graffiti advertising backlash

December 7, 2005 A new advertising campaign in USA for the Sony PSP which looks like graffiti and is often sprayed on previously vandalized walls has come under attack from other graffiti artists. A collective group of graffiti artists and street artists are now banding together, vandalizing the look-alike graffiti advertisements. The campaign has offended a lot of graffiti artists and street artists, drawing responses like "keep your desperate corporate long arm out of a movement that is the only thing that is ours!"

But not all the responses have been negative, with many artists defending Sony saying they have the right. Other advertising companies have also voiced their support. "Sony and PSP have every right to use this type of media," Floyd Hayes, the head creative director at Cunning Work told Wired News. "They have done it for (a) very long time very successfully and spoke the language of the streets without being patronizing." Sony says it is paying the building owners like Casa Maria for the right to advertise on their walls. Casa Maria was paid $100 for two weeks' use of its wall, co-owner Mario Arana told Wired News. Tats Cru, the graffiti crew responsible for the designs, have also been targeted with insulting slogans on Sony's advertisements.


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RepuTex announces Australia and New Zealand's most socially responsible corporations

December 7, 2005

RepuTex has announced this month a list of the most socially responsible companies in Australia and New Zealand. RepuTex, according to its website, is "an alternative to existing ethical investment methodologies which rely primarily on negative screening systems." The list covers 66 organisations. RepuTex services large to small organisations which want their situation assessed. The organisations are assessed across four sectors; Corporate Governance, Environmental Impact, Workplace Practices and Social Impact, producing a final result. This year, the Westpac Banking Corporation gained the only AAA rating followed by Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited and Australian Postal Corporation with AA ratings.

Global CEO of RepuTex, Ms Laurel Grossman said “more companies are recognising the value of CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) and the vital role it plays in managing mainstream financial risk,” adding “this year 66 companies across Australia and New Zealand were rated in the A range (-A to AAA), up from 58 companies last year."


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