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North Korea
Is there going to be a mention that the DPRK was offered a similar deal by the U.S.A., and the U.S.A. delayed the completion of the light reactor for 15+ years which led directly to the current diplomatic crisis over nuclear development? - Amgine 16:08, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Relevance of enriched uranium
What's the relevance to the rest of the article of the paragraph about enriched uranium?
 * The relevance is that Iran is currently censured for working on enrichment programs, which may produce weapons-grade material, while also developing a heavy reactor which theoretically would not need the enriched fuel (but would also be able to produce plutonium which, after enrichment, could be used to produce even more powerful nuclear weapons.) This should probably be sourced and included in the article. - Amgine 18:22, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Additionally, if one assumes Iran is trying to make weapons, this would be a fallback if the enrichment plans failed. If one assumes they are legitimately trying to get a foothold into a doemstic and international nuclear industry, though, this is just a way to guarantee self-sufficiency if the enrichment plans fall through. Either way it is a power ploy of some kind, though whether it is military or economic in nature is exactly the difficulty with dual use technology.--Fastfission 00:36, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Passenger ship Voyager radios SOS in the Mediterranean

February 14, 2005

A passenger ship, the Voyager enroute between Spain's to the Italian island of, radioed a distress call earlier today after getting into difficulties in heavy seas. A huge wave shattered a bridge window, damaging control systems inside.

The Bahamian-registered ship is carrying 776 passengers and crew, 480 of them Spanish. Some sustained minor injuries when the ship sailed into the storm at 8am today.

French and Spanish tugs have been dispatched to assist the vessel, and the British gas tanker Gimi has diverted to offer help and is relaying radio signals from the stricken ship. Voyager "is in a difficult situation but is not drifting", according to the French coastguard, with only a single propeller still providing force.

The ship was sailing from to Barcelona when she encountered the storm. The crew have restored power to two of her four engines and she is now diverting to Tunis, and is expected to reach port on Tuesday.

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WestJet Airlines retires 18 aircraft

WestJet Airlines is taking a CA$47.6 million charge on its books to retire 18 older airplanes. They will be replaced by 16 new 737 planes. Calgary based WestJet announced this Friday amid growing concerns about fuel prices. WestJet expects the new planes will save up to 30% more fuel.

The decision is expected to be a major hit to their profits and short-term growth potential. "It looks like the growth curve is going to slow down and fairly substantially through this next year," independent airline analyst Rick Erickson said Friday. "I won't expect that there's going to be very much in the way of new destinations for WestJet to serve." WestJet plans on reporting year end results next Tuesday.

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Best Buy signs leases for 28 new stores

February 14, 2005

Electronics retailer Best Buy said today that it signed leases for 28 new stores. This is part of the company's plan to build 60 new stores this year. Best Buy, the largest consumer electronics retailer in the United States, declined to discuss the terms of the leases but did say that the new stores will result in the addition of 3,500 more jobs to the corporate payroll.

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Large explosion in Beirut kills many including former prime minister

February 14, 2005

A large blast on the seafront of west Beirut, Lebanon has killed several people, including former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

Current reports conflict on the total number of casualties, suggesting nine or ten people killed and around 100 injured. Hariri was travelling in a car in a motorcade when the explosion occurred around 1pm local time. His bullet-proof car was totally destroyed. The attack took place near the luxurious Saint George hotel, in a residential neighborhood.

The cause of the blast is currently unknown for certain but it is believed to have been a car bomb. Anonymous sources have said car containing 300 kg of TNT was used; however other reports have suggested the explosives were placed in a building. The explosion created a crater at least 10 m across and devastated the fronts of nearby shops and hotels, destroying several buildings entirely. Apartment windows within a 1km radius were blown out.

Only one group has claimed responsibility, a little-known organisation from Syria called Victory and Jihad in Greater Syria. There has been no confirmation that this group actually carried out the attack. Hariri's supporters see Syria as being responsible for the attack. Lately, Hariri had become a chief opponent of the Syrian military presence (14,000 troops) in Lebanon.

The BBC quotes the group has having said "We hold the Lebanese authority and the Syrian authority, being the authority of tutelage in Lebanon, responsible for this crime and other similar crimes."

Rafik Bahaa Edine Hariri (November 1, 1944–February 14, 2005) was a Lebanese self-made billionaire businessman, and was twice Prime Minister of Lebanon, before his last resignation from office on October 20, 2004.


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User:Noelspaid/IRS Advice

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IRS Tax Advice
In 1995 a number of people wrote the Internal Revenue Service requesting a tax indentification number of their Pure Trusts, a common law business trust. Several Division heads in the IRS wrote letters back to these people advising them that Pure Trusts were exempt from filing income tax, and that IRS could not give them tax identification numbers. These letters went back and forth from people to IRS for a number of years, and people using the Pure Trust opened bank accounts using the identification numbers that often came with the Pure Trusts that they purchased.

Then IRS changed its mind and decided that Pure Trusts were not tax exempt, and started prosecuting people who had been using their Pure Trust for tax evasion. IRS never sent retraction letters to anyone advising that their initial letters were wrong, ill advised, or that the information in the initial letters was inaccuarte. They just began prosecuting Pure Trust holders.

Now which Pure Trust holders that they chose to prosecute and which ones they chose to give a pass to is known only to them. During an indictment in a case here in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, the indictment was given by a grand jury based on the testimony of only one witness. The witness was a special IRS Agent who testified she was expert in Trust Law, and an expert in Tax Law. The Agent then went on to testify that that she could find no support in the Federal Codes for Pure Trust leading the grand jurors to believe that there was no legal support for Pure Trust. There is ample support for Pure Trust in the cases - Pure Trusts are not statutory. But the agent deliberately mislead the jurors to believe that there was no law supporting Pure Trust and then went on to say twice that Pure Trust were illegal. She lied to the grand jurors about Pure Trust law.

The Agent, throughout her testimony, advised the grand jurors that the person who had the trust used "a false identification number" because it could not be traced by IRS, wasn't issued by IRS. Remember, IRS refused to issue tax ID numbers to people who had Pure Trusts. Now, the IRS agents who want indictments advise the grand jurors that the "suspects" used "false" ID numbers. The person used the number that came with the trust because IRS was not giving Pure Trust holders tax ID numbers.

The IRS agent never told the grand jurors that the IRS sent letters to people who asked, advising them that their Pure Trust was tax exempt and they had no filing requirement. Government claims it has no duty to give exculpatory evidence to a grand jury, but under the McDade Citizen's Protection Act of 1998, the State's ethical rules apply and California State would require that this information be given. The person's trustee and accountant had written IRS and received two of the "Pure Trust" letters. The person who was indicted had sent the IRS General Counsel here in San Diego a letter of inquiry about these letters and sent copies of the IRS Pure Trust letters to the General Counsel, showing that the person had relied on the IRS' advice in not filing returns.

Now what we have is IRS giving advice about tax law, and indicting persons for taking their advice, institutional entrapment. As of 2-4-05, the court will not order Government to turn over all of the material relating to the Pure Trust letters although it is known that at least 5000 were sent and no retractions were ever sent.

Word to the wise - do not go to IRS for advice about your taxes. You may get indicted for following it. Stay tuned

Noel Spaid 858 350-8718

--Noelspaid 20:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Your column item
At the moment, Wikinews doesn't do columns or opinion pieces in the main article space. But we do encourage users to create and maintain news-related columns in their user space. I've created a place for your column at User:Noelspaid/IRS Advice, but you might want to consider a more automated system if you decide to follow up on the idea of a column.

Please contact me at my talk page if I can help out with anything! And thanks for your submission - Amgine 21:09, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Best Buy signs leases for 28 new stores

We must respect the fact that Wikinews has an international audience. Stories like this - with limited appeal within only a certain country - are not really appropiate. Dan100 (Talk) 21:11, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong disagreement. Articles like these are exactly what local bureaus are looking for. The goal, eventually, is very local news. - Amgine 21:12, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This isn't much of an article. It needs more. What is Best Buy? What makes this news? Im not saying this article shouldn't be. Maybe someone should research and add something about their business practices. - Tardigrade 22:12, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * This article is an appropriate topic - but it needs an injection of context. -- Davodd | Talk 02:49, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Muskoka

Welcome
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'Baby 81's parents confirmed

February 14, 2005

'Baby 81', a four-month-old baby boy so named because he was the 81st admission into the hospital that day, has been confirmed to be the child of Jenita and Murugupillai Jeyarajah. He was lost during the Indian Ocean tsunami that killed more than 228,000 people. Eight other families also claimed him to be their lost baby although no others filed a formal claim for the child.

DNA tests confirmed the Jeyarajahs as the real parents after the couple waited seven weeks for his return. The parents tried to get him back many times and were involved in a physical attempt at taking him. His father also said that he would commit suicide if authorities did not return his child.

"I am so happy, and I only have to thank God for giving my child back... We've got the results for all our hardships," Mr. Jeyarajah said after the ruling.

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User:Tassonik~enwikinews

Real Name
Andrea Tassi

Location
Piacenza, Italy

Birthdate
December 4, 1971

Interests
Reading, watching Rugby, playing Golf, boardgames, webmastering, blogging (The Yorker)

What am I doing here?
Besides browsing the Wiki projects, I would like to give help with some editing and some translation into/from Italian.

Contacts
AIM/iChat: tassonik

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User talk:70.48.206.207

Welcome
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Thanks
Thanks for the article, I published it. Dan100 (Talk) 23:51, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Welcome
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Hi
I'm liking your Kyoto article :) Dan100 (Talk) 09:02, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * First up, a little tip - you can sign messages by typing ~ . This will leave a time stamp just like the one at the end of this (although it will feature your IP address as you haven't registered yet - you only need to chose a name and password).

 * Moving a story to the front page - if you visit Reporter's tools you'll see a link under 'Publish your story' or some such which will take you to today's articles page. There you can add your story as like the others listed there. Put yours at the top of the list. There's also the same link near the bottom of Writing an article.

 * If you have any more questions, fire away :) Dan100 (Talk) 22:01, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Please use the + tab on top of page to leave a message.

You can talk to me in English, Italian and (to a lesser extent) French. Spanish is also understood, but please don't expect me to answer in Spanish.

Welcome
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Hi
Thanks for the translation (I guess it's one), it's good that we're sharing articles between languages. Helps remove any geographical bias that might be creeping in. Dan100 (Talk) 09:33, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gmail
Here you go! PS sorry for calling your article a translation! Still great to have some EU news on the site. Dan100 (Talk) 19:15, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Torino Olympics
The Torino Olympics are coming up, and I see you're from Italy. Would you be interested in being a reporter for Wikinews, and a photographer for both Wikinews and Wikicommons? The Olympic committee is going to host 10,000 international media personel in the Media Village, I can help you and any other Wikimedia participants apply to get access to the Games. Accomodation in the Media Village is included. If you could spare even just one day between 10 to 26 February 2006, let me know! Thanks. -- user:zanimum

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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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User talk:Paulrevere2005

Every once in a while, even conspiracy theorists are right...
So no sooner did I read your latest comments about people being made to disappear without trials, not being sure whether to be scared or perplexed, when this story, "Rule Change Lets C.I.A. Freely Send Suspects Abroad to Jails", showed up, confirming some of your worst suspicions about a Nazi/stasi society growing up around us.

I'm going to add an entry under the Developing Stories section to write an article about this issue. If you have more information beyond what is covered in the New York Times story, I'd appreciate any pointers to help expand the story.

— DV 07:14, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I added a stub for the article about the CIA making people disappear, called CIA sending suspects overseas for "rendition". I'll start working on a first draft now, but please feel free to jump in if you think this story is important. — DV 07:22, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, it's not much, but I just submitted some early drafts of the story about the CIA making people disappear. Hopefully this story will help to open more eyes to the new Nazi/stasi society that is growing up around us.

 * Please read the latest version of this story and let me know if you think the writing covers the important points which need to be aired.

 * By the way, if I disappear as a result of writing this article, I'll expect you to write about me in my absence!

 * Regards,

 * — DV 09:33, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

General comments and tips
Having worked professionally in news for the better part of two decades, I can tell you have a good nose for news. Your innate gift for rooting our stories of interest is obvious. Where I think you are running into problems is in the actual presentation.

I see two apparent (and easy to fix) issues that keep you from effectively putting your good ideas in print as excellent news stories:
 * 1) You tend to cram too much information in a single story, and
 * 2) You are not putting the lead of your story at the top of the article.

-- Davodd | Talk 18:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Too much info in one story : This is a common error with new writers. Like I said, almost all of of your story ideas are sound, but you tend to put too much peripheral information in them when writing them. This overcomplicates the story, confuses the reader and muddies your thesis. When you start writing a story pick a thesis statement (basically: X happened that that is important because of Y) and make sure that every sentence you write supports that one statement. If you sense you are going off on a tangent (but an important digression) - leave that out of the story at hand and save the new thought for a second story; OR fully expand that idea into a multi-paragraph section (with its own sub-headline) to fully explain it relevance to the article's central thesis.
 * Finding the lead : The vast majority of news stories are written in "inverted pyramid style" - with the thesis or most important or most interesting information on top and the less interesting information at the bottom of the article. The key here is to pick out the one thing in your story that people would chat about around the water cooler after reading your story - and present it first. Inverted pyramid may also help you focus your story by keeping it on point (addressing the first issue mentioned above).

 * Thank you,Davodd,

Brotherhood
I sincerely apologize for negative comments made by myself regarding your Driftwood contribution. You are correct with your understanding that I have taken a personal interest in you. My interest lies in your stunning ability to draw me towards points so far outside my usual thinking that reporting ideas of yours become captivating to me. I am normally predisposed to pursue an issue to its logical end, but you have the knack of inducing in me issues that I cannot reconcile with myself presently.

Importantly, I would like you to realize that Hunter S. Thompson holds a place in my heart. The 'muse' script merely vented my frustration that you did some writing about his suicide that I also I would have liked to undertake. For me to have undertaken a story under the climate of an article dispute over your story and with my zero experience on my end was too much for me. Therefore I abandoned writing anything. ((sour grapes, yeah))

But the closing of that little script, to wit "I missed the story," is exactly what Thompson's experience was as a gonzo reporter. Wikipedia is no good for this gonzo subject because it does not understand that in his famous book "Fear and Loathing in LA" the author became more of the story than the story itself. Thompson became the story. In admire that.

This was the brilliance of your early draft in the Driftwood story.

And... well I don;t know what else to say

-edw 06:22, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Masons?
I don't know much about the Masons - I thought that was a bit on the Simpson's cartoon show, so I guess I have some research to do in order to catch up.

Anyways, I just arrived back in San Jose, so I'll check out the recent changes to see what's up. If you are blocked, feel free to e-mail me. — DV 00:58, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, so I looked into this a bit more, and it appears that the Nazi and Italian Fascist governments have been very afraid of the Masons in the past, to the point of shutting them down or sending them off to concentration camps.

 * As a contributor who often sounds the alarm about America drifting towards Fascism, I would have thought you would be a big fan of the Masons and their fight against Fascism.

 * I'm thinking about joining up with the Masons to help them fight Fascism.

 * But before I go and visit my local Grand Lodge, I see that you are also praising Pope Benedict XVI for standing up to Pagan organizations who are controlling global governments and businesses.

 * So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 * Is it more important to fight against the Fascists or the Pagans?

 * I think it would be more fun to be a Pagan. Those Fascists end up killing everyone.

 * I'll wait for your advice before I join the Masons, but I think they're the real underdogs in this story.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 11:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, DV, welcome back. Boy, I love to see you dive into a story; and this time you have brought to my attention a point I wasn't aware of.But it does make perfect sense with what I have learned. Just as with all gangs, there is gang warfare.The Masons are indeed the "good guys" when compared to the fascists.The masons actually do some good works and have some good intentions.The fascist regimes of Hitler and Bush(developing fascism) are(have been)controlled by the illuminati(american branch skull and bones)..which is the worst of the worst pagan cult. It is quite possible that the next president of the US (Kerry) will be a catholic denied communion as Benedict will certainly ban skull and bones membership if the issue is ever brought before him.gotta go but will later tell you about the use of the pope's image in skull and bones initiations.Paulrevere2005 14:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ok DV; Here's the main point for today. You have seen for yourself the masonic presence on our money; your immediate recognition of the similarity with the masonic emblem is something right now you need to hold onto tight. The mental tendency for you now will be to just drop the whole thing..forgetaboutit,..not "go there". Because instinctivly you likely can already feel that heading down this path of discovery will bring you awareness and knowledge that will only cause conflict and frustration...seeking truth is not a comfortable passtime...going with the flow is.

To answer your questions, Masonry is not too bad at all(my dad was one) but it is a secret cult; and I believe,idealistically perhaps,in pure and open democracy.I don't want to be choosing the less evil of 2 gangs to hang out with. One side effect is the american illuminatis(Bush,Kerry,Donaldson) are protected from congressional investigation simply because then the masons in congress would have to expose their own secrets/rituals etc.

I am with you that fascism is the big threat and is being systematically fertilized by the members of the Illuminati in Europe and their branch#322, skull and bones here in the US, just as it was in the 30s. DV these people are so,so smart. Do you know how smart a person has to be to be summa cum laude at Yale?

Anyway, the reason I think this is so important is its the first time a world leader of any persuasion has expressed concern about the growing power of cults "new sects...religious mysticism"

I hope the catholic church will turn their attention from the masons and towards the Illuminati/Skull and Bones and expose that cult for the occult,war mongering/profiteering bastards they are and I also hope that if citizens can see that the masonic cult is a pagan cult with too much power in our government, that they will then be able to finally see the illuminati,skull and bones for the bigger monsters they are and throw the bastards out of office.

As I say, this is all probably too much for you. If you want links,lmk Paulrevere2005 18:40, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcome Back
Just want to officially welcome you back, like I said the incident is behind us and no hard feelings should remain on either side of the dispute. Hope you see this as a fresh start to happily and productively contribute to wikinews. → CGorman (Talk)  20:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just a second...
It's supposed to be in the disputes list on Article workspace, but it isn't. Let me fix that. - Amgine/talk 01:52, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

tools
April 27, 2005 http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Policies_and_guidelines

Collaboration
If you do not accept that your submissions will be edited by the community, and that the community's consensus over-rides your personal opinion, I will have to ask you not to submit to wikinews. - Amgine/talk 22:20, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I accept that; no problem. What are you talking about? Paulrevere2005 22:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * stop the communist type censorship At least 3 separate users have removed that specific section because they feel it is biased, POV, and not relevant to the article. It would seem a rather unanimous opinion, although Dan100 has valiantly reverted to your text twice. - Amgine/talk 22:26, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fighting city hall
Hi Paulrevere2005,

Sometimes it's difficult to fight city hall.

Although the policy-makers on Wikinews don't like how your stories are constructed, I have found them to be very enlightening and informative, so this situation is somewhat discouraging to me.

For now, all I can recommend is to archive stories before they are deleted, so they can be republished later on, perhaps on another wiki.

Please keep up your spirits even if the deck seems stacked against you right now.

If you get banned, please feel free to stay in touch by e-mail. — DV 11:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Satellite story and my accusation
I am no technology smarty pants, but I do know enough to say all you have to do is use a dial-up connection after a couple user profile tweaks and you are an anon here (then again, maybe I am wrong as I never tried). I got your post to my talk page as I was navagating to your talk to explain myself in the accusation I leveled against you. The timing of vandalism done to the Satellite story came so shortly after I popped off about allowing point-of-view, it pissed me off, it looked like your wit and style, and I had had a few beers.

I am truly sorry if you are innocent, which you most likely are, and frankly I'm not dwelling on it and hope you won't either.

As to DieHard... well, my last post on the policy page said I'm tired of this. I'm only writing this much to try and right myself with you. I simply don't choose to pursue these discussions unless it relates to something I am already familiar with.

Best of luck. FYI --> I do mostly side with Dan100 that events should be current. Relevance counts, but current events even counts. (I know that will make you roll your eyes!) -Edbrown05 20:08, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Very sorry about your loss of a loved one. -Edbrown05 21:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Banned for vandalising the Water cooler/Policy page
I am banning you for repeated vandalising of the Policy page on the water cooler. You have been warned about this specific behavior repeatedly, by multiple admins. You are blocked for 72 hours.

I will also suggest that you not repeatedly attempt to log in. Each time you do so your IP will be reset in the block log by the software, and I will have to manually unblock you as I did last time.

- Amgine

I've unblocked you
Because I don't think someone directly involved should do that. However, you are becoming more and more abusive, and annoying more and more people. Either take a deep breath and calm down, or leave. Dan100 (Talk) 20:13, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Subcommittee addition
Hey, thanks for keeping an eye on it. Glad you stood your ground. -Edbrown05 05:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Good work so far
Hi Paul. The existing WWII/Bush article will almost probably be deleted, but if you can get in touch with someone invovled in it, and perhaps do an e-mail interview to find out what's going on, then that would be a great piece of original reporting. I for one wouldn't object to what's in the existing article being included as background to a new article based on information you can get. I have to say, I'd be very interested to hear how they did in their legal battles! Dan100 (Talk) 15:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I doubt it, but...
You switched paragraphs around, but did not address the other issues I raised on the talk page. In its current form it still does not cover the 5Ws and H, does not follow inverted pyramid style, etc. If the story you wish to cover is the kid journalist, in the lead sentence say who he is, what he did, where he did it, when, how he did it, and why. The rest of the article would then expand and provide support for this sentence.

And please ask for someone to review before posting the article to the archives, probably someone other than me. - Amgine/talk 22:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Military recruitment procedures taped by 17 year old
As requested I reviewed It and I do not think it is ready. The title is better though a bit dull. I do not think the logo fits and should be removed. I also do not like the lead in. I am going to make some changes to it to see if I can get it ready --Cspurrier 00:37, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the first paragraph, if you or someone else could take a look at it, I think it is almost ready to be published. --Cspurrier 00:49, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

No objections from me Paul - good story! Dan100 (Talk) 17:00, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Uzbek Stories
I consolidated them into one. NGerda 00:55, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
I saw you were vandal fighting this morning... Congratulations, and thanks! A few more of those and you're going to earn the Medal of Persistence. (Something I wish we didn't have a need for...) - Amgine/talk 16:58, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

For deleted story...
see Undeletion guidelines, which are based on the wikipedia guidelines but very tentative. - Amgine/talk 21:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

MST Brazil article
According to two editors on that article the protest at the Embassy was a small part of the event, the 12,000 people were primarily protesting their own government. Please do not move this article a third time.

HST
Saw your post yesterday and haven't had a chance till now to reply. You are probably aware that I am not a fan of bringing stories that are not currently breaking events to the news here. However, I too am bothered (haunted is too strong a word) by his son shooting a shotgun to mark his father's death... that's borderline crazy.

I am out of town lately and will continue be so on and off for quite a while yet. I have no time here to really concentrate, rather I can only flit in and out. If you and others are able to develope the HST story, of course I would be quite interested. If there is anything specific I can do to help, then please ask me specifically what I can do.

Meanwhile, after following the links you gave me in your post, I find I am unable to look further into the HST developments on the SAS page.

Best regards to you and yours! -Edbrown05 12:10, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Hunter article
I'm not accusing you of anything. You created multiple copies of this article, and this particular version was not deleted when the mass of them went through Dr previously. - Amgine/talk 22:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I replied on Amgine's talk page. Paulrevere2005 22:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Proposed new workspace
Proposed Workspace

What do you think?

Discuss at Water_cooler/proposals or WikiNews Talk:Proposed Workspace.

Kevin Baastalk 03:28, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Paul Revere. (If that is your real name!) Kevin Baastalk 15:58, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

recent re-routed flight by USA
I wasn't paying much attention then, but wasn't a very recent flight re-routed? Can you maybe find that source to tie to this article? -Edbrown05 15:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lead Story
Im afraid that story is not lead story material:

 * 1) You havew not responded to the issue on the talk page.
 * 2) Google News does'nt back it up.
 * 3) It certainly does not appear more important than the G8 debt story.
 * 4) It appears to be sensationalist writing.
 * 5) The sources are not adaquate; the un written rule of thumb is at least 3 decent sources for all published articles - you have two, one of which is a discussion.
 * 6) You have'nt linked to any wikipedia articles; a published story generally requires a few w:.
 * 7) The related story bit is ill formated.

Sorry Paul, but its not lead material. → CGorman (Talk)  19:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I responded on CGorman's user page Paulrevere2005 22:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks Paul, I know you put a lot of effort into your story so I appreciate your understanding that the G8 is bigger. → CGorman (Talk)  12:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Heya
Hey Paulio, been a while, hasn't it? How are things going? I've already become an admin, so let me know if you have any trouble ;). j/k.  NGerda 17:05, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much, and keep up the good work! I look forward to seeing your next original content! Think of me as your support team. NGerda 17:11, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Aw...

 * -) So sweet. I prepared an article on the congressinoal hearing today.  I don't have time to work on it, but I would appreciate anyone else taking up the task. Kevin Baastalk 02:30, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

Credit card scandal
Hey, I agree, but what would you like me to do? NGerda 07:30, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sounds great, I would just call him up and he would go live (it would be recorded, of course). I would need one of you guys to prepare a set of questions to ask him, and have you been in contact with him?  We need to make sure he wants to do this, first.  NGerda 16:23, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

I think the second story is just more accurate. With a little more fact-checking they found that the FBI meant, by "information", "details", that could interfere with their investigation. also the "40M" could be affected to "68,000" at high risk: I'm sure both of those numbers are correct. the company probably has 40M cusomers, therefore 40M could be affected. However, it's quite likely that 39,932,000 of those customers are at "no", "low", or "medium" risk, leaving only 68,000 at "high" risk. Since information about who is at "high" risk is much more significant than information about who "could be affected" insofar as they are a customer of that company - which they would all be aware of anyways since the name of the company was released (they need only look at their card) - it belongs in the article more than the latter.

In sum, I don't see it as a cover-up, just a refined story. I think if that same story was on wikinews, we would be poor editors not to refine it to the state it was in in the 2nd release. Kevin Baastalk 17:49, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

 * The CardSystems Solutions Inc. security breach was announced by one of its clients, MasterCard International. Other clients whose card transactions were processed by CardSystems also report customers of theirs were effected.

 * David Sobel, general counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center is quoted saying,"The steady stream of these disclosures shows the pressing need for regulation of the industry both in terms of limitation in the amount of personal information that companies collect and also liability when these kinds of disclosures occur." Security lapses have also been reported at Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp., DSW Shoe Warehouse and LexisNexis Inc.

 * ChoicePoint alludes to outlaws that may attempt to use stolen data to set up dummy transactions that taken individually aren't much, but taken collectively, are something else.

 * premise: A business whose service involves the handling private financial data has a responsibility to keep that data secure.

 * When a business fails in that responsibility, in this case CardSystems Inc. called in the FBI, who asked them to keep it quiet about it while they performed an investigation. Ultimately, MasterCard International breaks the news about the breach out of concern for its customers, rather than concern for the investigation, because it doesn't want its customers to inadvertantly pay for fraudulantly generated charges.

 * The FBI goal and the MasterCard goal were in competition of each other but were not mutually exclusive. CardSystems said they learned of the breach May 22nd. For nearly a credit card billing cycle the news was kept quiet. All is right with the world when the business with whom a person is most directly involved sounds the alarm about the possibility of fraud.

 * The Electronic Privacy Information Center has its work cut out for it. Edbrown05 16:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

CIA arrest warrants
The problem is with the phrase "CIA operatives". If you have a link to proof the individuals are employees of the US CIA, I'd be interested in seeing it. - Amgine/talk 23:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

responded on Amgine's talk Paulrevere2005 00:01, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage story
I didn't do most of that story. Most of it came from an anonymous user on Submit a Story. Andrew pmk 30 June 2005 01:08 (UTC)

Changing articles
Paul, don't try to change an article into a different one - it's something we don't do (see no. 5). Just start a new article instead - it's a much better idea, it highlights the new information much more prominently. The Afghan president condemming the attack deserves it's own story. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 11:49 (UTC)

Politically correct
Just amazing how being politically correct can rob a story of interest. Glad of your revert on the headline for Afghan villiage attack. I tried being politically correct once... I lie, I tried many times and it don't work for me! -Edbrown05 6 July 2005 21:03 (UTC)

Response to email
I'll always be here for you and everyone else, buddy! And check out my proposal for editorials at Wikinews, 'cuz I know you'd love that! Peace, NGerda July 8, 2005 02:43 (UTC)

Drugs, Marijuana, William Randolph Hearst - Right up your alley
Taken from William_Randolph_Hearst

William Randolph Hearst also, according to hemp-industry proponents, was instrumental in publicizing and orchestrating a 1937 oil-and-timber-industry-led media campaign      to discredit hemp} (an inexpensive petroleum and paper substitute) and marijuana}, which led within months to the drug and the plant being outlawed in the United States. Hearst himself reputedly profited due to his interests in the pulp-and-paper business. -- RossKoepke

Yup, and every time someone who was killed in a car crash was smoking marijuana, he made it front-page news, even though there were 1,000 times more deaths related to drinking and driving at the time. -- NGerda 20:23, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Opiate Based Drugs
Many painkillers, (specifically the ones we're talking about) are inded "opiate based" and derived from the opium plant. HOWEVER, that does not mean that it's necessarily manufactured using opium poppies. I would be willing to bet $10 that the manufacturing process synthesizes the compounds without using actual plants. --RossKoepke 20:39, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

hey Paul
I haven't yet read your poem is it? Just wanted to say hi! and wave! -Edbrown05 04:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * And it was the best damn stoy of yours I ever read. -Edbrown05 04:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'll like the poem even better. -Edbrown05 05:01, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

what to do...

 * "2. Only UN soldiers would be allowed to engage in "humanitarian" intervention. Every country could only use their own forces to defend their borders"

In the aftermath of the Tsunami, while the UN elite were falling over each other making up numbers to show how altruistic they are, who do you think was actually doing anything? Who's boots were on the ground? Who's Hercules were flying into Aceh? America, Australia, NZ... you see humanitarianism isn't about votes on the UN floor. It's about action -- something the UN is incapable of. Shit, they are still debating whether its genocide in the Sudan! Name a 'hard problem' that the modern UN has succesfully dealt with? The UN is a murky, mysterious mess. They don't even have open accounting... we have no idea where all those wasted funds go. Not that the funds are relevant; like I said, it's about action, not money.

 * "6. Slap a time restriction on all political service. Maybe 8 years like we now have for President. The "career politician" is usually a whore full of moral syphilis.""

Why not just hold them accountable at the polls?!? I don't know what moral syphilis is, but i wouldn't vote for a bloke that has it. _____________________

Hi,69.23.220.138, The UN has been underperforming; but that doesn't mean it couldn't do more/better in the future. The alternative is more wars of invasion and occupation which I fear will only become more dangerous in concert with our ability to make ever more powerful and compact weaponry. To me, it's simple. There are only a few countries that send their troops outside their borders for non-humanitarian purposes.All other nations should hit those countries with a trade embargo til they get their forces home where they belong. The UN has potential; but the veto power of the big 5 should be stripped away.That's the first thing.

Remember, the USSR used to have elections too. The power to vote used to work. Not when there are only 2 parties and both have been bought off by special interests. There was a poll on LOU Dobbs CNN 2 nights ago. The question was ; Do you feel your representatives in congress are working in your best interests? Now remember,69.23.220.138, about 40% of the members of congress are democrat and the rest Republican (there may be 1 independent). The results were;

97% said NO!!!!!
Paulrevere2005 23:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Approval voting/alternate voting systems
Thought I'd suggest that you throw your support behind an alternate voting system if you disapproved of the two candidates in 2004. Duverger's Law states that a two-party system will naturally result from a plurality election method. If we had approval voting, or "choose one or more", we might be able to vote our hopes and not our fears. Just my two cents. And of course ranked choice methods complying with the Condorcet criterion are even better, but I believe are too complicated for now. - McCart42 (talk) 05:00:20, 2005-08-04 (UTC)
 * Here's a website with some rhetoric as well. - McCart42 (talk) 05:02:38, 2005-08-04 (UTC)

 * Thanks; I will check it out. Paulrevere2005 13:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Wiki vacation
I'm taking one starting now. Paulrevere2005 12:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * UNBELIEVABLE!! I just got back and came looking for YA 67.80.3.2067.80.3.20 21:26, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If you happen to poke back in, check out the "discussion" of the wikipedia entry for the Watts Riots. (The result of my investivacation) 67.80.3.20 21:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: I want to vote of the deadmin.of MrMiscellaneous issue
Obviously, I can't stop you, but I don't think that vote should have any legitimacy. Please see the talk page. It would be a very bad precedent to start voting for deadminship based on someone's values, etc. As much as I disagree with some of MrM believes, I don't think he pushed his POV in articles, but what he certainly never did, and was never accused of, was abusing his admin powers. --Dčabrilo 05:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

New Main Page design proposal
I invite you and others to see Main Page Talk, where I have proposed a new Main Page for Wikinews. Best wishes, NGerda 16:14, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Explanation of why I decided to become sysop.
Paul, forgive my tardiness on this subject. It's been close to a month and I still haven't given you a reason as to why my actions led me to become an administrator.

In short, I can sum the reason up into just a few sentences. Primarily, the reason I became a sysop was to help Wikinews fight its spam and vandalism problems. Lately, the latter has become even more of an issue with various vandals placing grotesque and other inappropriate images on our front page. But why I stepped off the "do not admin" list was simply because I felt as if I didn't have enough time that was expected of administrators to devote to the project. I did not place myself on the list because I felt as if my views would get in the way, and I hope I haven't shown a place where I have favored one side over the other in an article. We're all naturally biased, and I'm out to try and change that. I know I have strong values on issues, but I try my hardest to omit them from the rest of Wikinews (other than responding to talk pages, or items on my userpage), and to encourage users to do the same.

But please, if you feel that I have in any way violated my administrator privileges, leave me a note on my talk page or list me for de-sysop'ing. I would feel much better about that than for you to hold a grudge against me for my sudden interest in the position, I admit my absence from the list did seem a little suspicious without any reasoning behind it.

Cheers. --Mrmiscellanious 19:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your considerate response. What you say makes lots of sense and my history is that I make too many groundless assumptions about things and have much too wild an imagination. The only thing I would add is that I felt so much energy from the "rave bust" story that I think it will be a big asset for us if we are able to attract and keep that crowd as constructive contributors; so I hope you might consider contacting that person who listed you for de-admin and try to work things out...I know it would be difficult to do, so I understand if you don't want to give it a try...but, regardless, as far as I'm concerned; you and I are just fine; and I appreciate how hard you work on the articles. Paulrevere2005 20:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

emotionally drained and burnt out
i'm taking an indefinite leave; all the best to everyone. Paulrevere2005 16:46, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you should come back. I miss your solutions to problems. Anyway, if you don't: take care :) ClareWhite 16:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

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Aren't Alaska and Greenland parts of North America? Seems to me, the map only shows a part of North America. --Stebbiv 23:54, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You're the second person to point that out.

 * I'm working on adding an Aspect Ratio feature to the WeatherChecker software that will allow maps which are wide, square, or tall. The North America map will then use the tall aspect ratio so it can be displayed at a higher zoom level while still showing the entire region. — DV 01:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Newfoundland, as well. (three!) --205.251.6.169 19:01, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, as well.

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User talk:128.103.137.131

Welcome
128.103.137.131, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 01:21, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:217.22.115.65

Welcome
217.22.115.65, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 01:22, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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Welcome
Stebbiv, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 01:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:24.81.82.101

Welcome
24.81.82.101, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 01:23, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
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Wikinews talk:Policies and guidelines

Story unknowns
Proposed policy: Rather than simply reporting on what is known, make an effort to include an explicit summary of what is still not known about a story. Knowing which relevent questions remain unanswered can be at least as important to the reader as knowing which questions have been answered. The reader will be made to realize that the news is not a complete, objective summary of the truth (a la Walter Cronkite's preposterous signoff, "And that's the way it was"), and will not be able to treat the reporting as authoritative; instead, he or she will be confronted with the need to think more critically about what has been reported. TimShell 03:17, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * To me this is interesting as a writing style, but I'm not sure if it is A) a feasible writing method or B) an appropriate news reporting method. It would certainly develop information in a different way! Can you write an example article which uses this method? - Amgine 20:14, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * An example: "At time of writing, comment was being sought from Walter Cronkite."

 * Another: "The exact location where the arrests were made was not given, and it is not known whether the crew of the boats were traditionally entitled to fish there."

 * Another: "Accuracy of the statement has not yet been verified." - Simeon 12:41, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Linking to Related Stories
I'm a newbie, and I couldn't find any conventions on this. Is there a template we use, or should I just put a "See Also" section at the bottom as in Wkipedia? --Jpbrenna 17:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You're doing great work, Jpbrenna!
 * The specific place to look for this is actually in the style guide, but I believe you'll find there is no specific template. Usually the related news articles would be the first section under the article body, above the sources, references, and/or external links sections if present. But you'll have to check the guide for the definitive answer. - Amgine/talk 20:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * User:Amgine is right and wrong. The answer is in the style guide.  But there is a specific template and section heading.  There are several stories in today's news where these are in use, too. Uncle G 00:09, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Sources for articles and copyrights
I'm sure this subject has been covered before, but as I'm new and haven't found anything about it yet, I thought I'd ask. I see that most Wikinews stories are based on stories reported elsewhere in the news media (e.g. articles from the NY Times, the L.A. Times, etc.). So, it seems all the legwork is being done by paid reporters for other news sources and all we're doing is collecting and rewriting those stories. Is that legal? Is it ethical? The terms of the AP wire agreement allow subscribers to use and rewrite AP stories, but since we don't subscribe to the AP or other similar organizations, how are we allowed to do that? Cluth 22:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is legal - we don't copy & paste a single thing - everything is written in our own words. Whether that's ethical - or even worthwhile - is something individual readers and editors have to decide for themselves. Personally I think it is - too many mainstream media news sources are biased or plain old inaccurate, and this is our chance to avoid such mistakes. Dan100 (Talk) 22:27, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Discussion from policy page

 * Does this mean we can or cannot cut-and-paste from Wikipedia into a WikiNews article? If it is allowed, what is the procedure for marking it?  BryceHarrington 01:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I would assume you can, but under soures, you need to link back the the Wikipedia article you took it from.--Ryan524 19:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * We can not use Wikipedia text in our stories, they are under GFDL and we are under PD. --Cspurrier 19:05, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Removing rule about reverting
There has not really been a three revert block since I think 2008? Maybe 2010? Can we get rid of this rule? :D --LauraHale (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

 * 3rr has been a touchstone concept for a long time. If two people are reverting each other, it becomes clear once one or both make three reversions that it's not a simple disagreement. If one person is opposing a coalition, however informal, it is made obvious the will of the community - however small - is being opposed by one person. (Obviously extenuating circumstances might exist in a given situation.)
 * This doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, just that there are good and proven reasons why it does exist as part of the policies. Has something changed which make it less-relevant? -  Amgine | t 20:55, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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User:TimShell~enwikinews

This was added to the discussion section of the Policy page:

Proposed policy: Rather than simply reporting on what is known, make an effort to include an explicit summary of what is still not known about a story. Knowing which relevent questions remain unanswered can be at least as important to the reader as knowing which questions have been answered. The reader will be made to realize that the news is not a complete, objective summary of the truth (a la Walter Cronkite's preposterous signoff, "And that's the way it was"), and will not be able to treat the reporting as authoritative; instead, he or she will be confronted with the need to think more critically about what has been reported.

TimShell 03:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Large explosion in Beirut kills many including former prime minister

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Wikinews really is just getting started...
and it's obvious when the lead story is 1/8th as good as AP copy on yahoo. Hopefully things'll improve -- I'm going to keep working on it. Zantastik 21:56, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:TimShell~enwikinews

Welcome
TimShell, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 04:32, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called TimShell. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name TimShell~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:U.S. drones reported in Iranian airspace

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editprotected "personel" => "personnel" Van der Hoorn (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:69.163.129.23

Welcome
69.163.129.23, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 04:33, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
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User talk:24.23.116.100

Welcome
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User talk:172.192.76.223

Welcome
172.192.76.223, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 04:34, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User:Zantastik~enwikinews

I'm a wikipedia contributor, and I thought I'd work a bit here too. It's exciting to get in at the start of a project like this. I'll work on the French wikinews too, and translate a bit from the German one into English or French. Got a translation request (FR --> EN, DE --> EN)? Tell me.

 * See my French user page

 * My English Wikipedia page

 * My French Wikipedia page

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User talk:Zantastik~enwikinews

Welcome
Zantastik, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 05:59, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Brazilian President party received money from FARC, say documents
We welcome multiple articles on a single subject on Wikinews. Sometimes the articles will have different angles, or focus on different elements of a single story, and each has its strong points. In this particular case, however, the initial author of the spanish article (User:Carlosar) is also the contributor who created the link here on en.WN and is probably planning to translate his earlier article.

It is generally considered polite to wait until the initial author make the initial save, since it is likely they will have to deal with an edit conflict if you do not. - Amgine 03:48, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please Stop Vandalizing
Right now Yahoo search found 1,064 NEWS stories for keywords "ebay for sale".

Please stop vandalizing. Register a dispute if you wish or better yet, write a story that you think is news. Paulrevere2005 00:14, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate your comments on my user discussion page.All the best. Paulrevere2005 04:41, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bush's Texas law unplugs baby(against mom's wishes)
Hi, I just wanted to give a "heads-up" I am starting a article focusing exclusivly on baby Sun. I'll leave the rest to you to blast off. Paulrevere2005 13:50, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article about the Oil for Food issue
Thank you very much for your comments. Actually my article Oir For Food is in great part a translation of the Oil-for-Food Programme article in Wikipedia. I just updated and added somethings, including pictures. I see no trouble in translating my article to English. I can do that when I have time. --Carlosar 10:40, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

legal issues
''Actually, there is a legal problem with your article, if it is in great part a translation of the Oil-for-Food Program article on Wikipedia. Wikinews is public domain, whereas wikipedia is gfdl, and the two aren't compatible.''
 * What should I do? Should I change the article a little? --Carlosar 02:46, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Zantastik. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Zantastik~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Crosswords/2005/February/16

February 15, 2005

Quick crossword
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 * 1. History (4)
 * 6. Shell reptile (8)
 * 9. Lebanon capital (6)
 * 10. Stops radiators from icing (10)
 * 12. Type of diode (5)
 * 13. Members of party with usually environmental concerns (6)
 * 15. Be good (6)
 * 17. Norwegian capital (4)
 * 18. Friend (4)
 * 20. Small sleep (6)
 * 23. Had a coat of many colours (6)
 * 27. Most bad (5)
 * 28. Showing emotion (10)
 * 30. Medical stitch material (6)
 * 31. Medical filtering, esp artificial kidney function (8)
 * 32. Chances (4)
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Down
Answers tomorrow.
 * 1. Knotted dough (8)
 * 2. South African rugby players (10)
 * 3. Immediately (medical) (4)
 * 4. Quiet city bird (6)
 * 5. Carbohydrate (6)
 * 7. Concise (5)
 * 8. Idyllic place esp. garden (4)
 * 11. Consume (6)
 * 14. Transferred from liquid to gas (10)
 * 16. McDonalds nickname, golden ______ (6)
 * 19. Speeches on subject (8)
 * 22. Most recent (6)
 * 24. Child without parents (6)
 * 25. Sorrowful poem, song, etc. (5)
 * 26. Join metal (4)
 * 29. Song, ____ Bitsy Yellow Polka Dot Bikini (4)
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Wikinews:Trophy

We encourage awards to deserving Wikinews contributors. Here are a number of them.

See also
 * Contributing Reporter Awards
 * Commons:Category:Barnstars

The Wikinews Trophy
Reward Wikinews contributors for hard work and due diligence by awarding them The Wikinews Trophy. To give the award to someone, just edit their user page to include the image, and say why you've given it.

To use this image, cut and paste the following code on the user's discussion page. along with the reason why they deserve the honor (and please record it at Trophy/Record):

 * Trophy.jpg

Which looks like this:

You can also use File:Trophy.png if you need a transparent background.

Award of Journalistic Magnificence

 * See also Collective Coverage Award.

Bawolff's Card
To express your appreciation to someone —  first argument is message, second is notice of appriciation title, width= is the maximum percentage of the page the card can take up. (deafult 35). both are optional, but first is recommended. width is unrecommended unless you have a good reason.. (for example.

Collective Coverage Award

 * See also Award of Journalistic Magnificence.

Lesser but still important awards

 * Should be awarded to newbies, as their first award.

ja:Project:ウィキニュース記事賞

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A policeman is killed and another one is tortured in MST camp, in Brazil

February 16, 2005 On Sunday, February 6, 2005 the police officer Luiz Pereira da Silva was murdered inside a MST camp in the Brazilian city of Quipapá, Pernambuco. His colleague, police officer Cícero Jacinto da Silva, was captured and tortured. Another policeman, Adílson Alves Aroeiras, escaped. This week authorities from Pernambuco said they will strengthen the investigation.

The three police officers were from the 10th Batalhão da PM (Military Police Battalion). They were travelling in an unmarked police car. Members of the MST destroyed the car with scythes, and set fire to it.

The policemen were pursuing José Ricardo de Oliveira Rodrigues. Oliveira Rodrigues is accused of assaulting banks and robbery of goods transported by vehicles in the roads of the region. He hid at the MST camp known as "Bananeiras" (Banana tree). The peasants interfered with the arrest of Oliveira Rodrigues and got into a conflict with the police. Police officer Luiz Pereira da Silva was killed by three gunshots. Police officer Cícero Jacinto da Silva was captured, and later tortured. Officer Adílson Alves escaped. The MST activists disarmed the officers and took their bulletproof vests.

Later on Saturday (February 7, 2005), Police Commander Major Sillas Charamba negotiated the release of Jacinto da Silva. The policemen's pistols were returned, but the bulletproof vests could not be because they had been destroyed.

The MST says that the former MST leader Oliveira Rodrigues was already banished from the moviment. The MST says the peasants didn't know that the three men were policemen, that Oliveira Rodrigues deceived the other peasants, and that the policemen could not be identified as police officers. The MST say they have previously brought Oliveira Rodrigues to the attention of the police for the alleged theft of a motorcycle and beating of a woman.

The MST regional coordinator Jaime Amorim has been invited to go to the town Police Station and explain to the police that the MST has already denounced Oliveira Rodrigues. According to the Police Comissaire Antônio Carlos Câmara there are no recorded complaints concerning Oliveira Rodrigues from the MST at the police station.

The Regional Superintendent of the National Institute of Agrarian Development (Incra) in Pernambuco, Maria Oliveira, expects the arrival of a special federal task force this week  (February 15, 2005). The force will assist in the disarmament of MST members from the Bananeiras camp.

The Secretariat of Social Defense of Pernambuco announced the backing of the investigations with the help of the Group of Special Operations and the Nucleus Specialized in the Verification of Multiple Homicides.

The Police requested that Incra provide more information about the MST members from Bananeiras camp, some of whom are suspected of murderer and torture, so they can be properly investigated.


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Chinese mine blast kills over 200

February 15, 2005

Fuxin city (阜新市; pinyin: Fùxīn shì) – An underground explosion in a mine in China's northeastern Liaoning Province has left over 200 miners dead.

Current figures say 203 miners were killed, and another 22 were injured with 13 miners still missing. The blast occurred at 3:49pm local time on Monday afternoon.

The explosion, 242m underground, is believed to have been caused by gas igniting.

This morning a rescue team arrived at the site in Fuxin to attempt locate survivors and treat injured.

China has a history of major mining accidents. Last November, 166 miners died in an explosion in mine in Chenjiashan mine in Shaanxi province. In 2004, a official figures show that 5,000 workers died in accidents in mines, 35% of the world-wide death toll in coal mines.

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Wikinews:Criticism

A few people have stated criticisms of Wikinews:

February 2005

 * After comments on his article by Wikinewsies Simeon and Dan100, Andrews made a series of further points in his reply.

 * and just in case you were wondering who he was that night search google for (rashomon AND wikinews) (Thanks Simmo for the catch)

May 2005

 * Chris Anderson "Grassroots Journalism on the Web: An Overview (pdf)". ' May 6, 2005

April 2007

 * Mentioned that Wikinews relies too heavily on amateurs and NewAssignment.net is more focused on professionals.

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