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Wikinews talk:Bots

Commons ticker
I have been in touch with Duesentrieb here with a view to re-instating the commons ticker. He says (as i understand - read the link for orig) either we can wait a while for the new version or run the beta version. What do we think? I think it would be usefull but what do others think??--Mark Talk 21:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Beta it.  Thunderhead  ►  22:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I miss the commons ticker...DragonFire1024 10:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We should use the old version that is running on de.'pedia until the new one is available. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  19:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The version on de.'pedia is the so called unstable (although to me it looks fine to me) version. Are you saying use this??--Mark Talk 19:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should use the bot from de.'pedia. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  19:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, I say we should beta it.  Thunderhead  ►  20:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever happened to the old version? Bawolff ☺☻ 22:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh look it appears to be back. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Some assistance required RE: Weather
I need a little help here with the Weather - I need a small Windows app that can automatically upload the generated maps to commons and purge any thumbs of them to get them updated.

I've tried to install C# but the process just hangs, I'm prepared to install activeperl if that's required, and I should be able to keep the thing running 24/7.

What the app needs to do is allow definition of a directory where the files are written by Weather Checker. Somewhere to specify a Username and Password is also required. I can start that to run at the top of the hour and about 5 minutes past the hour the newly generated files can be uploaded.

Any takers? --Brian McNeil / talk 08:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Change
I propose a new bot policy, or a change to the exisiting one:

 * Administrators may, at thier discretion, approve bots for trial periods up to 10 days, depending on the purpose of the bot.
 * Bot status may only be granted if there is a net support of at least 5 (For example, six support votes and one oppose equals a five net support rate).
 * Bots that do not run for 90 consecutive days will have thier flag revoked for security reasons. They may request the flag through the normal process at any other time.

Thunderhead - (talk) 08:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't really see why that's necessary. We haven't been amazingly slow at granting requests, and the bot may always be run supervised under the main user account during a trial period.  Plus I don't see a need to deviate from normal approval voting.  -- IlyaHaykinson 08:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Policy?
As this is a proposed policy, there should be discussion on whether this should be made into policy. Anonymous101talk 21:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this is policy or not policy. This is simply the page for the approval of bots. It perhaps should have a more organized system though, The Mind's Eye (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki bots
I propose closing all interwiki bot requests as unsuccessful and opening the floor to someone to write a comprehensive interwiki bot for Wikinews. There are simply too many instances where these bots could get into a fight and some have been seen to remove valid interwiki links. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Bots editing templates and similar
I noted a problem yesterday with odd unsighted pages in my watchlist, these were things like the stock market index values. The template for them is maintained by a bot, and some issue meant that despite the bot having editor status one update was not auto-sighted. All subsequent edits were thus also not flagged and where the template was in use on the main page would have been out of date figures for non-logged in users.

I would propose that as a requirement for all bots which carry out periodic updates to pages in namespaces where FlaggedRevs is applied that the bot explicitly sight each edit. This means that if some glitch causes one version not to be sighted then the next will. I suspect once this has been implemented on one bot it can be shared and applied by all.

To enable monitoring of this I propose that any bot that maintains pages such as those in the Template namespace has an explicit list on its user page along with the big red off switch. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * note. This issue was caused do to a bug in mediawiki, where bot edits were not auto-sighted. I put supercoolz's bot (the stock market bot) into the editor group to resolve the issue. Melenchoie's bot i already in that group. the other bot that might be affected is adarmo's bot. The downside of foring bots to sight. is if they don't replace the entire page. we could have vandalism that gets sighted. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This issue was resolved by an mw update today. Bots edits are now sighted by autopromote. Merlissimo (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This was reported at 19207 – just for completeness ;-) --Melancholie (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal
I propose to remove the bot flags of inactive bots. Some of them made their last edit around a decade ago and makes no sense to keep the bot flag. --Minorax (talk) 15:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. --Pi zero (talk) 15:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Especially those where the operator has resigned from all Wiki projects. --SVTCobra 15:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've deflagged quite a lot of bots. It's precautionary, and I suppose in principle one could restore any of those bot flags upon reasonable request (without going through the rigamarole of a community vote).  Note sure any of them are individually worth notifying the bot owners; perhaps we should set down some kind of convention that can be used for this sort of thing going forward. --Pi zero (talk) 17:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there a need to list the deflagged ones as inactive? --Minorax (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I wondered about that myself. Their status is rather in-between, inasmuch as the community approved then and never officially withdrew its approval.  That's also presumably why bots that died in earlier days were blocked but not de-flagged.  Perhaps a separate section for defunct bots?  The parenthesized remarks were evidently an improvised measure when it became evident something was needed, but have now gotten rather out-of-hand. --Pi zero (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Created a subsection for the defunct bots. Seems kinda messy to me if we're to include when the bot stopped editing. --Minorax (talk) 13:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's less messy than having the two lists all mixed together.  I'm thinking about how one might further neatify it. --Pi zero (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Better now? --Minorax (talk) 09:09, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Why did this notice appear on page Wikinews talk:Bots? Seems an oddly out-of-the-way place to put it. --Pi zero (talk) 11:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Pi zero, bots work will be impacted by this operation.
 * I already sent a message at the Water cooler. I prefer to have this important message being delivered at multiple affected audiences to prevent bad surprises.
 * Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Important: maintenance operation on October 27
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Bots need to upgrade to Pywikibot 6.6.1
Dear bot operators, bots running Pywikibot must upgrade to version 6.6.1 otherwise they will break when deprecated API parameters are removed. If you have any questions or need help in upgrading, please reach out using one of the Pywikibot communication channels.

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Comments:Canadian sextuplets could get blood transfusion, religion forbids it

This is disgusting. These babies are going to die (2 already did) because of a stupid cult. "Oh we believe in whats right for our children". Um, no, you don't you stupid fucks. I hope the province takes ALL of these children from their brainwashed parents. It sickens me that they are fighting in court to have "Superior" bloodless treatments.

Personally, I think the doctor knows better than god or a cult religion that brainwashes people minds when they first wake up in the morning to a knock on the door.

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Football: Manchester United thrash Roma 7 - 1

April 10, 2007

Manchester United advanced to the semi-finals of the Champions League after a thumping of Italian club AS Roma Tuesday night. Holding a 2-1 advantage after the first leg, Roma travelled to Old Trafford in hopes of knocking Manchester United out of the competition, ruining their hopes of a treble. The winning goal scorer from the first leg, Marko Vucinic, had to replace the ill Rodrigo Taddei for Roma, and he was paired with Roma's talisman striker Francesco Totti. Louis Saha was still out through injury for United, so Alan Smith started his fourth match of the season with strike partner Wayne Rooney.

Roma started the match quite strongly with several attempts early. David Pizarro first blasted a long drive wide before Totti came close with a 25-yard shot. Michael Carrick then opened the scoring for United as he was supplied the ball by Ronaldo, and the Englishman's shot curled past Doni. Some quick counterattacking football then earned United their second goal as Brown, Rooney, Carrick, and Heinze all combined to get the ball out to Giggs. His pass into Smith left Doni exposed, and the striker scored his first goal since returning from injury. A third goal was scored only minutes later after play from Ronaldo and Smith released Giggs on the right, and his cross was turned in by Rooney off the post. Roma finally had a chance to respond through De Rossi, but his header from Pizarro's cross was sent over the bar. Ronaldo was then knocking on the door for Uniteds fourth, as he fizzled a shot just wide, and had a free kick blocked by a stretching Doni. The Portuguese winger would score just before the break however, as more good work by Giggs gave Ronaldo room to maneuver, and he sprinted in before firing a low shot into the corner. Van Der Sar was then called into action to bat away a hard free kick by Totti, but the scoreline stayed 4-0 into the break.

Totti started off the chances in the second half with a free kick that went just wide, but United would score again only four minutes in. Giggs was again the supplier as his low cross was knocked in by a lunging Ronaldo, his twentieth goal of the season. Roma looked for a consolation goal, but it looked as if United would not even conceed that as Darren Fletcher cleared Allesandro Mancini's header off the line. Carrick then earned himself a brace on the night, as he blasted home a 25 yard drive into the top corner. Giggs was then replaced by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the Norweigen nearly added another goal as he lofted the ball on to the top of the net. Roma finally got their goal in the 69th minute through Daniel De Rossi as his fine coushioned volley from Totti's cross was beyond Van Der Sar. Substitute Patrice Evra then rounded out the scoring in the 81'st minute after a nice interchange of play between himself, Solskjaer, and Rooney, the defender hit in a low shot off the post. Ronaldo, in search of a hat-trick, pushed forward near the end of the game, but his low drive was saved well by Doni.

Manchester United will now move on to face either AC Milan or Bayern Munich in the next round of the Champions League, and their next match is the FA Cup semi-final against Watford. Roma meanwhile take on Sampdoria next in the Serie A, though they no longer have a chance to catch leaders Internazionale.


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Comments:Jimbo Wales to lead development of 'code of conduct' for bloggers

Would you delete content like this?
The Truth about Jimbo or this?

An incredible blunder
The mind-set of contributing would face the limiting mind-set of judgement with this "code of conduct".

The Internet is neither old enough nor fully matured to an extent that allows for an appreciation of motivations behind a person's contribution. A contribution cannot be judged with a view towards removing it, and worse, by whom would it be done and with what fairness? Nobody needs to be reminded that censorship is loathed.

Play as they may at Wikia, the real test would be acceptance. Would the Wikimedia foundation hit a million dollars in fund raising donations with the introduction of this kind of attitude? The last Wikimedia fund raising effort did reach its goal, but the one before it did not.

This initiative reeks with instruction creep, smacks at the freedom to comment in the name of civility, and wraps its reasons in a desire to protect people whose ideas would then become shielded by it.

People should be protected in the physical sense. Ideas deserve no refuge. -Edbrown05 23:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * What Eloquence said here in the last paragraph of The Case for Free Use: Reasons Not to Use a Creative Commons -NC License, speaks as much to the issue of this "code of conduct" as it does to the issue of image licensing;
 * "We need to focus on what is really important."... ''Social networking makes it possible for individuals to organize around particular campaigns, regardless of their ideologies.

 * There is, however, one important truth connected to this argument: hostility hurts us all. When ideology becomes dogma, and when movements become factions, important (essential!) common causes are all too easily set aside. Therefore, the discussion about issues such as this must always be pursued in an atmosphere of mutual respect and understanding. Those who poison this atmosphere with anger and irrational animosity must not be permitted to lead, regardless of how virtuous they may appear.

 * I have no idea of what is going on in the minds of the "higher ups" in the Wikimedia organization. While I support what Eloquence wrote above, I am disturbed that they may be becoming disconnected from what is going on from "down below".

And missing all the fun! -Edbrown05 01:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Edbrown05: They are still working
Edbrown05, Comments are still working -:) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, comments are working, what is not working is version history
It is not too far a stetch to imagine that if Wikimedia supports removing version history of an article, that it will also support removing comment history of an article. To me, this Jimbo and Wikia move is a preface to thinking that may later be applied to Wikimedia.

Tranparency is, or should I say was, the concept upon which the wiki software was built. It appears to be under assault. -Edbrown05 08:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, and Eloquence kind of pisses me off the way he stepped into this article with a lack of honesty (or maybe he truly is clueless), 'Discussion' page history has also already been directly attacked here. -Edbrown05 09:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "stepped into this article with a lack of honesty (or maybe he truly is clueless)". you have an opportunity to substantiate this or retract with an apology. if you can't or won't do either, consider urself in violation of WN:E. –Doldrums(talk) 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The specific edit that appears "removed" from the archived version of talk on Gilliam's profile talk page is this one:"That is correct, the edit history was moved to prevent the spreading over the internet of the article in its vandalized state.[[User:Jensbn|Jens Nielsen] 10:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)]"The final version of the 'Discussion' page sort of omits that key point.

 * The Sinbad (actor) page, now locked, have histories that do not reflect fact. Is this how wikimedia wishes to proceed, without valid history content?

A couple key points need to be borne in mind. Both the encylopdia content page and a users discussion page have had content deleted with no transparent history of that ever happening. -Edbrown05 09:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 * You say history isnt working here, but which page because i can see history for the comments and the article. --Mark Talk 09:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 * "Wikimedia supports removing version history of an article" under extremely limited circumstances, when there are excellent and compelling reasons for their removal - Oversight. if you think this facility is being misused, feel free to complain (where it will be considered, not on the comment page of an unrelated wikinews article). the use of oversight ability is strictly governed by policy. –Doldrums(talk) 09:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

History is governed by oversight? -Edbrown05 09:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you mean "revision history on wikimedia can be altered by the use of oversight tool?", then the answer is yes. see Oversight or w:WP:Oversight for more. –Doldrums(talk) 09:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Be blind, I'd be lying if I said wikimedia isn't working towards this by establishing a protocol to do this by removing history and comments. Meanwhile, Eloquence acts like, my words, "oh, we have nothing to do with this." Uhh huh. -Edbrown05 11:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm, what does oversight have to do with this. As a user who has oversight (and has access to the oversight logs on wikinews), I can assure you that it was not used here. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Then why was information removed? Why was it hidden. and who did it and why? Personally, that IMO is an abuse of admin powers. DragonFire1024 01:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what they're are talking about here. The only thing that was deleted to my knowladge was this comment by EdBrown (admin only link). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


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Below are interwiki links to my user pages on the various wikis.

I am primarily active on en.wiki, however I have accounts other projects as well.

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Wikinews:Video Wikinews/2.0/Yap/Archive 2

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 * Nice, but why John Citizen, Requested Scientist? You should say Thunderhead, Respected Administrator or Thunderhead, Department of the Interior, Press Officer.  Thunderhead  ►  08:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, ha ha ha... visit in a few minutes
 * I like...Thunder...these are just tests :) To get an idea of what we can do. DragonFire1024 08:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, I ... I was joking.  Thunderhead  ►  08:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know :) DragonFire1024 08:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, I know... too late! --Symode09 08:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

THUNDERHEAD! enlist! --Symode09 08:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes sir! Sir, I'd like to remind you about internal links, sir!  Thunderhead  ►  08:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, wonderful admin, eh? Your work pleases the Cabal. :-)  Thunderhead  ►  15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

E-mail
Who currently has access to this email address? What emails are meant to be sent there?  Thunderhead  ►  08:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC) I actually set the address up for the Window Live Space. --Symode09 08:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes...when you sign up for it you automatically get an e-mail address for hotmail. DragonFire1024 08:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Graphics

 * LOL...not funny as the graphics...funny as the two people you used to do it :) I was laughing...I have to say...thats pretty good for a wide screen animation. I am impressed. DragonFire1024 09:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Music

 * Well i think the foundation would not care....its a matter if the license itself allows it...That will have to be researched. DragonFire1024 09:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * DF, I have this stuff on DAT as well as the original CD written on an Apple computer in Heart Street Studios Edinburgh on the second of March 1997. I spent nearly two hours on the phone with one of the guitarists (also vocalist) and his main interest is in being credited and findable from the content on the off-chance it brings him some paying work.  Since I funded that studio session (a really intense six 12-hour days) I was easily able to obtain permission to license CC-BY. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great!! I will DL a few clips...If you go into IRC i will let you know what I think. I say if you got the lisence then just do what we do when we upload for audio wikinews...I just wish it didn't have to be OGG or whatever...DragonFire1024 09:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I just heard it, Great Job!--Symode09 09:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Brianmc: AWESOME!! I like it...I think we should have a sample more or 2 if possible...I think its great though :)

We could always use "it's a small world after all"! --Symode09 09:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have the permission for the music you can upload it, provided its in either ogg/flac (lossless) ogg/vorbis (lossy) or mid format (probably doesn't apply. Same as ogg/speex). If you got permission by email, you should forward the email to mailto:permissions@wikimedia.org . Bawolff ☺☻ 19:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Theme Song
On the test video we should have the intro song changed immediately to avoid copyright infringement...Use one...temporarily from the site brianmc provided maybe? music at bottom (last 2) just until we get something else? DragonFire1024 10:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not too scared of copyright infringement, I doubt sky news are sitting on the net, searching for their theme song! I will however add the audio on the blog. --Symode09 11:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the third image, it's improjing with each version. —Symode09 11:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also we should a Wikinews search box there and maybe the current WN logo as the Image? DragonFire1024 12:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * NO...we cannot...its copyrighted. DragonFire1024 12:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See: Wikinews/Logo/Proposals but many are NOT licensed so cannot be used until we find the right ones :( DragonFire1024 12:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worrk about the logo's, get the content through, work on prototype graphics done. If it were me, I wouldn't worry... I would ignore that until near the forst pilot--Symode09 13:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is some theme music. It seems their user agreement does not have a price, just that you request a license and renew it every six months and do NOT use the music for profit. DragonFire1024 13:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Updated Video

 * I don't see it. --  Zanimum 16:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ??You can't physically see it? DragonFire1024 16:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Try now...DragonFire1024 16:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:Dave Scheepers

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 00:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:MJuice~enwikinews

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 00:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * If you're interested in audio recordings, Audio Wikinews could always use more contributers
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called MJuice. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name MJuice~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:LostSoul~enwikinews

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 00:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * If you're interested in audio recordings, Audio Wikinews could always use more contributers
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called LostSoul. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name LostSoul~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User:DragonFire1024/archiveMarch-April07

Essjay photo
I don't see the fact that an article is a few days old as sufficient reason to worry about privacy and harassement concerns. Furthermore, my impression was that changes of articles can often occur for many days (it has only been three on that article). JoshuaZ 22:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Hi, don't know if you are too busy with your article (very good article) but i am going to add many broken redirect pages to the speedy delete catergory. However they do not show up on the Admin board as the template will not include due to the redirect over ride. Would you like me to keep adding the templates for you to see the pages in the speedy delete category, leave you to find the pages on broken redirects page or leave you alone completely and annoy another admin?? Cheers--MarkieTalk 20:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have never delt with redirects before as usually someone else gets to em before I do...so I am not able to assit in that area. DragonFire1024 20:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:JohnInman.jpg]]
Thanks for uploading Image:JohnInman.jpg. I deleted it because it is from the BBC, a competing news source. Wikipedia usually crosses the rules on images, so I would be careful about uploading images from Wikipedia. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A screenshot is a screen shot regardless of what news source it comes from and the license clearly states that. DragonFire1024 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Opps. I forgot that it was a screenshot. You can re-upload it if you want. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am looking into it first...trying to see what the BBC uses to copyright their images...maybe you can help? here is the link i am referinmg to:  DragonFire1024 17:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * bbc retains all copyright on their images. Screenshot doesn't count unless the article is directly about the bbc. (example when cnn screwed up US senator Obama with Osama bin laden). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * note: the fair use tags (publicity screenshot logo etc) are reasons that we can ignore others copyrights. The reason it doesn't work with bbc, is we're in direct competition with them so ignoring their copyrights is unfair. (note this explanation is not technically accurate, don't rely on it for important info). Since wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source they have different rules then us. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * oh wait I lie, assuming that image was under the license you linked, we may be able to use it. Its similiar to cc-by-nc-sa plus specific restrictions on use (not for political or defamotory purposes). This works with but is a very not prefered license. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

improper usernames
What's wrong with Oooooooooooo? Bawolff ☺☻ 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The name says it all. I guess I could unblock but IMO the name will be used for nothing but vandalism. DragonFire1024 23:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome back. I have been fairly busy since I've gone back to study that I havent had much time for this place. It's been a real shame as I love Wikinews and the community - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Mainpage
Hey - I noticed you are editing the Royal Navy capture article. It says on the main page that the sailors and marines were "later released" but I don't believe this is the case. As an admin, could you change this? Cheers. 80.175.130.133 19:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

British sailors detained by Iran to be tried for "espionage"
Your writing has become 'scary' (oops, typo, meant 'very') good. Personally, I like the ' instead of the " for use in headlines. This was debated in the WN guidelines to no avail... they are afterall only guidelines. Good work at sticking to wikinews conventions of writing a new story as developments occur. Best -Edbrown05 07:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

deletion of Talk:Newfoundland_government_launches_seal_hunt_website/Comments
why? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well its not linked to anything? Talk page of non extant article? DragonFire1024 05:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcome Back
Hey, and thanks! It's good to get back involved in a community I loved so much before - hopefully I can get back into the old habits of things! --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 09:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Spam?
Why did you delete the article i was working on? which part came under spam? --Zakksez 14:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Which one ? this one? --Zakksez 15:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandal block
(Block log); 21:30. . FellowWikiNews (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:Tooj117" with an expiry time of indefinite anononly,nocreate: Vandal)

(Block log); 21:30. . FellowWikiNews (Talk | contribs | block) (unblocked User:Tooj117: unblock to reblock)

(Block log); 21:29. . DragonFire1024 (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:Tooj117" with an expiry time of indefinite anononly,nocreate: sock, vandal)

Whoops! I was actually trying to block him indef but you did it at the same time I unblocked him to reblock him. Great minds think alike! — Fellow Wiki  Newsie   (sign here!)  21:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: UK prepared to go 'into different phase' if sailors and marines not released by Iran within days
Hello DragonFire1024. I just wanted to compliment you on an excellent article. Jcart1534 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

image madness
You previously uploaded a bunch of excellent OR images. Unfortunately they are unacceptably unfree according to the new image policy of the foundation. If the way things are currently going continue, they will be deleted in abut a year. Please See Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan to discuss this. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While i'm on the subject of images, why is Image:Img200703201174429925-2.jpg pd?
 * Excuse me for interjecting here. Although I have not seen much of your OR images, if it is like Image:DowHighSchool82.jpg, then I think you are fine. You may have to tag them with a Share-alike license like Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike version 2.5 also called CC BY-SA. --SVTCobra 00:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I retract this comment as I first thought this was a photo you had taken yourself. I have since noticed you lifted it off the school's website. When Bawolff said OR, I assumed the images were original too. --SVTCobra 01:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

comments
I changed a couple things with it (try clicking article, or discussion). Anyways, just want to double check, it still works for you? (as I only have one browser avalible to test with) Bawolff ☺☻ 05:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirects to non-existant pages
Do we delete these? DragonFire1024 10:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My understanding of it is that "redirects are cheap" so IMO no, but you may also like to see here for more info.--Mark Talk 10:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Iran stories
I think you should probably have the two stories as the lead using the Lead2 or whatever it is template. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeha i was planning on it but i gotta get this new one updated :) DragonFire1024 11:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop!
Please don't try and raise a rabble over the copyright issue. I think Doldrums has the right idea by reworking the page into a FAQ. Please read all of Kat Walsh's message to the mailing list, and the rationale behind the policy that comes from Eloquence.

The wikinews community is a small minority among the Wikimedia family. I'm annoyed that we'll probably lose a few articles because of image deletions. However, I'm not going nuts over it. If your images have to be deleted I'll arrange you some hosting space and you can mirror the entire articles, complete with pictures. I'm sure the board doesn't want to destroy any works, and you may have a point that this is commons imposing their world-view on the rest of the projects via the back door.

Without wikinews we'd all be forced to work on Indymedia, or similar. I've looked at that and wouldn't, it isn't the same as a wiki. So the indulgent parent (the foundation board) has said we can't use a number of licenses that they think are too restrictive. Can you upload elsewhere (eg flickr) under a license that suits and then "fair use" them over here? I don't know the answer to that, but it may be the loophole to keep what you've done. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I use Flickr...for images I do not use in WN articles or that I don't care if they change them or not. Who issue is someone changing them. Mirrioring? Maybe...but then why bother? This is where I want my content. DragonFire1024 10:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

DEBKAfile
I am working on the same subject, after having read your article. Grondin has already written, yesterday night on FR, another article but only about the Russian sources. See: fr:Moyen-Orient : vers une intervention militaire en Iran ?. But I did not find immediatly the direct link to DEBKAfile... Hégésippe | ±Θ± 11:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"Forced" Wikibreak
Please see my userpage for details.  Thunderhead  ►  08:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for relicensing your pictures. That's really great. --+Deprifry+ 11:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll second that, thanks! --Brian McNeil / talk 11:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I likewise thank you for doing this. -- IlyaHaykinson 11:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for EDP
Please see: User:DragonFire1024/Images to request for EDP. DragonFire1024 11:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews blog
I see you've done another report on the Buffalo hotel... would you like access to the Wikinews blog? It's a great way of promoting the great original reporting that goes on here, to the rest of the Wikimedia world and beyond. -- Zanimum 15:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Virginia law bans mobile phone use by teen drivers
Could you please add as related to this story the New York (some city) story you wrote about the ban of head phone use while being a pedestran on the street. I can't find it. Thanks much if you could. -Edbrown05 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not write it but I do remember it. DragonFire1024 04:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: New policy
Hey, I am still very interested in what goes on about the place, I just dont seem to have the time I used to to devote on this. It does suck, thanks for the heads up though - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 21:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, I miss everyone too :), What I am curious about is whether or not any other project was consulted on this - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 07:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can understand the basis of the policy, but feel there are issues with respects to WN. The retroactive aspect causes problems as does the "minimal use of EDP" - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 07:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It reads to me like the EDP is being discouraged though :S - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree totally, more or less if EDP is to be discouraged we might as well go that step further and disable uploads - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you give permission for them to be used on Wikinews and only Wikinews then I feel it should be allowed under our EDP. Even though NC and ND are not "free", they are better than using images which are completely non-free - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Your open letter looks good and I can understand your frustration at your own images, the problem is we all have different opinions of "free", hell my own wiki is under a CC BY-NC-SA licence - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That is exactly right - Cartman02au <SMALL>(Talk)(AU Portal)</SMALL> 08:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Pardon by Ahmadinejad
I maintain that he did use the word "pardon" and that many sources have that. I am unfortunately not qualified to do my own translation from Farsi, but here's what the BBC has him saying (emphasis mine):

"On the occasion of the birth anniversary of the great prophet of Islam, and on the occasion of Easter and Passover, I would like to announce that the great nation of Iran, while it is entitled to put the British military personnel on trial, has pardoned these 15 sailors and gives their release to the people of Britain as a gift."

BTW, Jatkins and I do not have an open dispute on this. --SVTCobra 21:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Pardon" does NOT imply guilt. In the US, presidential pardon's have been given to people who were never charged with a crime. It is usually because it was expected that they would be charged soon. Iran has in fact made statements to the effect that they were going to charge the Brits with espionage. So, Ahmadinejad has pardoned them, so they won't have to face charges. --SVTCobra 10:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

answer
If it was for you I wouldent edit here at all, maby som of the 'old editors' thought the same. Food for thought? international 09:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And now when i see how you by putting in a powtag and continue to dont read what Doldrum write im just not sure if you are a 'agent provocatur' trying to mess things up or just to stupid to edit here. And your agreeing with BrianNZ in some of his 'opinions' make you a sounds like W. and obviously have to bring the shit in here.

Wikinews have no way of handle ppl like you, loudvoiced stupids. Happy gravedigging with your friends. Here and elswere.

In easy understanding american language: Fuck you!

international 11:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC) is out of here.

 * An Opinion is: A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter, A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof and it's A judgement of a person or thing.

 * that applies to you as well sir.

 * Please don't use american language like that on wikinews, and yes your right, that is American, as only Americans can and do use words like that; that cause offence, (in fact those words are well known only because of American movies!)

 * This is ridiculous, both the extremes gone to by you and International. I would like you to think carefully about how you approach disputes on the Wiki to avoid an incident like this in the future.  I'm sure I'm not the first person to tell you you're hotheaded, you're an admin and you shouldn't be up against 3RR limits because of your opinion on a story unless you're dealing with one unreasonable contributor.
 * In this case you were opposing several contributors, I really do urge you to go and read the link Doldrums provided, "scare quotes" is a reference from an editors/copy-editor's handbook, and I'm sorely tempted to go buy the book. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Mass welcomes
Are a bad idea.

Among those you put the hello template on I spot at least one troll who was blocked. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I am only adding the messages to the ones i know are not vandals or trolls. The others I just add because the names are not immediately recognized as vandals. Besides. We used to welcome every new user. DragonFire1024 21:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

NHL Hockey
Hey bud! you posted a score on my talk page, wasnt sure what it was for! lol, anyways, just lemme know :P —Dark_Squall 04:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, haha *reads watercooler* that makes sense mate, thanks for the info. thats funny :P —Dark_Squall 04:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

writing up the EDP
we can get down to defining it, after all the "it's those darn <ur favourite group of evil-doers> who're behind this" mob-forming is over.

my view of what constitutes minimal - image not by Wiki contributor, has no similar free alternative, adds value to story (eg. a stock portrait of a celebrity adds little value to a story). till now there's been little or no discussion about what modifications, if any, we shld make to our WN:EDP (though User:Uncle G has gone ahead and made some changes) so i don't know what suppport my view has among other contributors. –Doldrums(talk) 07:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Protecting user pages
You don't need to protect vandals user pages. They can only edit their talk pages. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  15:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: ? Suicide
Dragonfire - if you are online now and available on Gizmo, I am about to call you to update you on what the heck has happened. Please be ready! Thor Malmjursson 04:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Errmmm
Howdy, I saw your message on Danny's page on Wikipedia. He resigned from the board, any reason why you're expecting to get an official response from him? He doesn't work for the foundation anymore. If you didn't realize this, you might want to update your message (which, btw, was pretty transparently manipulative) - (Chairboy on Wikipedia)
 * If you re-read the message I left on Danny's page...I am interested in getting this before the media does. If the authorities are involved they almost surely will get this story, and assuming it to be true, if the kid turns up dead, then they will use that to their advantage to try, in whatever way possible to discredit WP...i want to prevent that, to show that an effort was made and that the steps were taken to ensure his safety. DragonFire1024 05:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:BEANS is the applicable text here. The media will do whatever they want, and if you check the thread on WP:AN/I, you'll see that there's been plenty of work on this already. - Chairboy
 * So what are you saying? I am not following you...sorry?? Are you saying forget about it? DragonFire1024 05:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, first and formost, I'm saying that it's a fools errand to try and get an official Wikimedia Foundation response from Danny because he resigned from there last week. He no longer works there.  He's pining for the Fjords of Wikimedia.  He is an EX-foundationeer!  So it doesn't make any sense.  Past that, please take a moment to read the WP:BEANS essay. - (Chairboy)
 * I did read it...thats where I am lost. The media will do what they want, but at least i am trying to get the real story before they screw it up. DragonFire1024 05:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The media will present events like they see it anyway. There are two things going wrong here: 1) as Chairboy said, Danny can't and won't speak for the Foundation, so asking him for a 'statement' is bound to lead to confusion and 2) you're presenting this like you'll be writing the story regardless of the possible outcome. If this guy kills himself, you'd likely be giving the media more information than they'd have been able to collect for themselves - which is not necessarily a good thing. If he doesn't (which at this point is still the most likely outcome), you're putting loads of information about him in a news article: how's that going to affect the rest of his life? If you really want to discuss the possibility of Wikinews playing a role in this, contact the Foundation directly and let them decide. --Joanne (JoanneB on Wikipedia) 10:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The WP:AN/I page explains this adequately and shows that the community on Wikipedia reacted appropriately. DF, all your questions are answered there once you find the right section. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, as for what happened last night, I think that out of respect for the person, the least said about it the best. Danny 14:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Holy cow that was quick!
I appreciate your welcome message. I actually signed up to correct a spelling mistake on an uneditable page (I can't find it now), and I misunderstood to think that once I log in, I could change this. I do my best to fix little mistakes like that on Wikipedia (my knowledge is only a subset of wikipedia, so I basically never have something to contribute other than fixing mistakes and vandalism), but I was a bit disappointed that (yet I can see why) I couldn't change this. Anyway, hopefully I can contribute one day, if I know about a newsworthy thing that isn't here yet. Thanks again for the speedy welcoming, even before I did anything :) --Schrodingerskitty 16:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your voicemail on Gizmo to Tmalmjursson
Hi Dragonfire. I looked back through the edit history and can indeed find comments which were removed, just as an example, this one. Try using the diffs in the edit history and select the previous comment as the one you wish to review against. That might work if you are trying to find what was taken out. Cheers. Thor Malmjursson 15:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * DF, the discussion goes backwards from the above diff. Looks like it has just been cleared out the same as we keep WN:ALERT tidy. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Your request
I've responded on the talk page of your subpage. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 20:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I'm not wrong. :-) Projects can create an EDP, such as the fair use policy, because sometimes it is impossible to get images under a free license. But here clearly it was possible to get them. You could have chosen to place them under a free license. If you choose not to, I'll be sorry to see it, but in no way does this authorize Wikimedians to license their own images under a non-free license, because they could have chosen otherwise. It was possible for a contributor to create something free, because a contributor took the picture. Only for materials that are necessary to have and where it is not reasonably possible to use something free should any non-free media be used. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 21:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey DragonFire1024,

I saw you commented on he idea of having wikinews video. I have created a really good opener (the audio is from sky news UK/Australia)

I spent heaps of time on the graphics so, drop me a line on my talk page and tell me what you think.

The video is located at http://www.symode09.spaces.live.com/

thanx

--Symode09 07:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Kool, thanks for that!

Take a look at the discusison on the water coller

--Symode09 07:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Opening
With the opening, is there anything you think I should add to improve the opening? What do you think i should include in the news graphics which are used?

I just had a good idea. Instead of having news updates or daily news, what if we worked on something similar to 60 minutes?

Which country are you in? I assume you are in the US (I'm in Australia)

--Symode09 08:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dragon Fire,

With your contact info on your user page, you should replace the "@" symbol with "at".

I did what you are doing and a few weeks after I did it, I got heaps of spam, some relating to wikipedia (where I contribute the most)

kk, kool. I'm working on the graphics and will hopefully be done in 30-45 minutes. If you can, try to stay on - i'll contact you

--Symode09 08:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

ih, by the way, what should we do for a theme song. I will try to get the rights for what I have done (it may cost some money - would wikimedia reimberse it?) but, my feeling is, we won;t get the rights. Should we try and commision / get someone to create a new version (possibly identical to the current one but, "legally" different?

--Symode09 08:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can stay on I think...I will try...There is a wikinews theme song somewhere...BrianNewZealand says....not sure where. DragonFire1024 08:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm a student so, I can go and see if womeone at school can put something together - we have quite a few compluting labs with acid installed so, heaps o people I know could compose something. I can't be bothered doing it myself - mabye if we play the current theme song backwards? :P

--Symode09 08:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That might work :) Try it :) DragonFire1024 08:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

YAY! You made someone happier *crams gillet with chocolate*
Thanks for finding that site!!! It is just what I was looking for!!!!!

I'll contact them and see what I can get done. Thanks for finding the site!

--Symode09 08:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The world through 4:3 or 16:9 eyes?
should it be in widescreen? I far prefer widescreen. Are there any objections?

--Symode09 08:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

One last question, with the graphics (ticker clock etc), would you like them with corners and square (more traditional) or curved and round (my preference but, some people don't like these types of graphics)?

--Symode09 09:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Video Wikinews
Hey DragonFire,

I see you are interested in the video wikinews. You might want to "enlist" with us.

thanx :P

—Symode09 14:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Where to
Where do we go from here with the wikinews?

Thet image you greated is great! I'm looking for footage like that but the only place I can get it costs money :(

reply here

--Symode09 07:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)