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Welcome Wikipedian. If you need any help, please don't hesitate to ask (Me or anybody else here or on IRC). You may be interested in hello template and DPL help page. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Radio
I'm seriously curious what could be drawn out of Wikispecies for radio use. I'd like to think a discussion about that on the talk of the WN:RADIO page might give people from other projects ideas on how they can do an audio presentation of their material. In trying to get an idea I looked up "Dog" on Wikispecies, what I see is a reference work where there is all the data to go look things up in Wikipedia, but too much Latin for you to draw in an average audience. What I see once redirected from Wikispecies page on Dogs, is all the cross-referencing information to make a documentary series on man's best friend, covering lots of interesting and not widely known facts. Does that belong on Wikispecies, Wikiversity, or Commons?

This, of course, may be due to the fact that I'm trying to make sure that any broadcasting remains highbrow and does not descend into talk radio flamefests. That means I'm looking at what I think are the best ways to turn existing content into something I believe people would tune in to. There was an aside when I pitched this idea to the WMF communications committee, that, for continuity, we wanted people with a "Radio 4" voice. It was suggested that the idea I was pitching was "WikiRadio4" and the point at which I said this just confirmed it for that person. I actually like that idea and find this a great standard to aim for. Read the WP article, it calls Radio 4 the BBC's flagship radio station without any commercial peer.

Where this differs wildly from what the BBC does now, and has done in the past, is the "audience participation". There really is nothing stopping anyone using this as an audition and recording their own version of the latest headlines, but there is always the option to create your own view based on existing material. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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TWTC Nangang will be included into 2008 Tour de Taiwan

January 7, 2008

The 20th Tour de Taiwan, sponsored by Atunas, organized by Chinese Taipei Cycling Association, will be raced on March 9 to 16 from Kaohsiung City through Pingtung, Changhua, Taiching, Hsinchu, and Taipei County, to Taipei City. What's different from last year is that the cross-division road race will not be arranged. For the joint promotion of Taipei Cycle at Taipei World Trade Center Nangang Exhibition Hall and TaiSPO at TWTC Hall 1, the 2008 Tour de Taiwan will successively include elimination races around roads of TWTC Nangang and Taipei City Hall.

According to the organizer, 23 teams from 15 countries will participate on this race, and for the promotion of "2008-2009 Visit Taiwan Year" by Tourism Bureau of Ministry of Transportation and Communications of the Republic of China, ESPN Star Sports and Formosa Television will record on this race, the organizer predicted that spectators from 63 countries will watch this race on television.


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Merged some information from Chinese Taipei Cycling Association, and just referred some stage information to write this article. Brock contact... 12:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


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Kenya's leader Kibaki seeks Ghanaian president Kufuor's mediation

January 7, 2008

Ghana’s President is expected to travel to Kenya this week to help resolve the escalating violence that has plunged Kenya into a political crisis. This comes after Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki sent an envoy to brief the Ghanaian president, who is also chairman of the African Union on the current situation in Kenya. Kibaki has also reportedly said he is willing to dialogue without pre-condition with opposition leader of the  who is claiming he won. Odigna has decided to call off protests that were due to take place tomorrow as a result of the action. He has agreed to take part in the mediation process. This is despite earlier reports that he would not take part in the mediation.

is Ghana’s foreign minister. He tells VOA reporter Peter Clottey that President Kufuor is concerned about the tensions in Kenya.

“Basically, the president has been invited to Kenya to see for himself the situation and offer advise as to how the two leaders can come together to stop what is happening in Kenya. As you know, people are being killed and there are a lot of disturbances in Kenya and Kenya is like a pillar of a democratic country is now blowing up in our faces. And I don’t think it is for any African country to stand by and more so the chair of the AU (Africa Union) to sit by for such a thing to happen to Kenya. He (president Kufuor) is going there to offer advice,” Osei-Adjei noted.

He reckoned that President Kufuor’s expected trip would yield positive results that would help alleviate the escalating violence in Kenya.

“We hope so. He (President Kufuor) wouldn’t move from Ghana to Kenya not expecting to make a difference to make the situation calm and normal. You know so that is what we expect,” he said.

Osei-Adjei denied speculations that President Kufuor’s mediation efforts could possibly worsen the situation just like in Zimbabwe.

“No, I don’t think so. Zimbabwe is quite a different issue. This is coming out as a result of elections, the recent elections and what is happening that we have to be there to ensure that the two leaders can sit down and then calm the situation,” Osei-Adjei pointed out.

He said President Kibaki invited the Ghanaian president to help solve the escalating violence, which is blamed on the controversy surrounding the December elections.

“Well, the envoy came yesterday to brief the president of Ghana and at the same time the chair of the AU the situation before elections, during elections and after the elections. Upon this then he also added the President (Kibaki) has also asked him to invite the president of Ghana that is President Kufuor of Ghana to be there to help calm the situation. This is what was said yesterday that President Kufuor is going to Kenya to talk to the two leadership and then make them come to if you like some the peace pipe so that things in Kenya will calm down so that of course the necessary things could be done, and then ensure that people go about their normal businesses,” he said.


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U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on constitutionality of lethal injection

January 7, 2008 The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments on the constitutionality of the use of lethal injection as a method for the imposition of the death penalty in the United States. Two men, Ralph Baze and Thomas Clyde Bowling Jr., who were convicted of murder in the Commonwealth of Kentucky and sentenced to death, sued the state in 2004 arguing that the use of lethal injection as a method of imposition of capital punishment violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.

Thirty-seven states and the Federal Government have capital punishment for some crimes, all except Nebraska (which uses electrocution) use lethal injection. The process uses three chemicals in a "cocktail", which, by the procedures that are used to apply them to the condemned, (three injections given consecutively) allegedly "create a significant and unnecessary risk of inflicting severe pain that could be prevented by the adoption of reasonable safeguards", their lawyers said in court papers. "Kentucky seeks to execute in a relatively humane manner and has worked hard to adopt such a procedure," Kentucky Attorney General Gregory Stumbo has said. The state has also argued in its brief against supporting the plaintiffs' appeal that it will lead to "an endless road of litigation. ... Condemned inmates will never run out of ideas for changes to the procedures, drugs or equipment used during lethal injection."

Baze was scheduled to be executed on January 8 after Governor of Kentucky Ernie Fletcher signed his death warrant, but the Kentucky Supreme Court suspended his execution on September 12, 2007, arguing it needed more time to examine arguments he had made in a separate appeal. He was convicted of killing Powell County Sheriff Steve Bennett and Deputy Arthur Briscoe in 1992 while the lawmen were trying to serve him with arrest warrants. Bowling was convicted of killing Edward and Tina Earley in Louisville in 1990.

According to the article on lethal injection in Wikipedia, the three chemicals used are Sodium thiopental to render the offender unconscious; Pancuronium/Tubocurarine: to stop all muscle movement except the heart, causing muscle paralysis, collapse of the diaphragm, and would eventually cause death by asphyxiation; and Potassium chloride to stop the heart. The chemicals apparently cannot be combined together as they could precipitate into a solid and be ineffective. It is argued that thiopental is a very short-term anesthetic and may wear off during the procedure, causing anesthesia awareness and excruciating pain from the effects of the other drugs.

In oral hearings today, the justices seemed skeptical that the chemical concoction causes extreme pain or that a better method was available. A lawyer for one of the plaintiffs argued that if insufficient anesthetic is given, when the inmate is given the paralyzing drug, they will experience agonizing pain, but be unable to react, and that it is even illegal in Kentucky to euthanize animals in this fashion. Some of the justices have considered sending the case back for further hearings to determine if a single barbiturate would be superior to the current method.

While the Supreme Court has examined the application of the death penalty many times over the past 40 years, this is the first time the court has reviewed the issue of the method of execution in 100 years, according to lawyers for the plaintiffs. A ruling is not expected until June. There are about 3,000 people on death row in the United States, and about 60 are executed each year. Since the case was accepted by the Supreme Court, all executions in the United States have been temporarily suspended pending the decision.

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Talk:Police in Texas arrest man eating dead girlfriend

Criticism aimed at tightening up the article

 * The following comment was posted on the opinions page. It belongs here instead, it is a genuine attempt to say how the article could be improved. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The story, as written, is rather muddled. The guy stabs his girlfriend to death ... putting the body out in the garage and mutilating it. The girl's mother comes over and is directed to go look at the body, then the mother runs out fo the house to flag down a police car; meanwhile the guy is theatrically calling the police himself while cooking up portions of the deceased. At some other time he is alleged to have stabbed his ex-wife's boyfriend and to have committed some sort of breaking and entry. The timeline is a bit unclear. I would re-organize the story around the main sequence events, starting with the headline, then going back to the victim's mother and the police report (was the car that the mother flagged down heading towards the residence because of the call made by the alleged perpetrator?). The other crimes should be a passing reference in the last sentence. (Something like: "McCuin is also charged with other crimes in connection with an earlier stabbing of his ex-wife's boyfriend and the breaking and entry into a local business which occured within XXX days before the arrest"). 158.140.1.25 19:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracies
I believe it was not Shearer's mother but rather McCuin's that was directed to look in the garbage by McCuin. According to one article his mother was also with her boyfriend; but everything I've read indicates it was his mother that saw the parts and left the house. This is a rather important detail - the notion that a mother was directed by her daughter's boyfriend to look in the garbage where she would discover her missing daughter's body parts is somehow more disturbing than the mother of the killer looking in. No, not necessarily 'more' disturbing, but, very different at least. Additionally, the other crimes (breaking and entering, beating ex-wife's husband, etc.) came after he murdered his girlfriend but before he called the police/his mother.24.9.66.17 14:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


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It's disgusting were arguing HOW we kill people, rather then SHOULD we kill people.

Who said being executed was supposed to be fun?
If you stop what your doing and think about your actions before you pull the trigger you wouldn't be in this position in the first place. We are beggining to run out of options as far as how to accommidate these murderers. Why? Hang em, shoot em, inject em. Stop commiting the act of murder people!! I won't stand here and say yeah, I think that injection is inhumane. Wasn't your act of murder inhumane? Not an eye for an eye but hey lets stop being providers for people that are killing our brothers and sisters and mothers ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.141.139 (talk) 19:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


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Just a FYI on why I reverted your edit to the possible Mars impact story. It is dated from December 24, and should really be archived (see WN:ARCHIVE). --Brian McNeil / talk 22:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sun begins Solar Cycle 24

January 8, 2008 The first sunspot marking a new solar cycle has been identified, physicists at the NOAA announced on January 4. This sunspot is a precursor for the normal increase in activity which takes place during the 11-year solar cycle.

"This sunspot is like the first robin of spring. In this case, it’s an early omen of solar storms that will gradually increase over the next few years," said solar physicist Douglas Biesecker of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Space Weather Prediction Center.

The new sunspot, identified as #10,981, is the latest visible spot to appear since NOAA began numbering them on January 5, 1972. Its high-latitude location at 27 degrees North, and its negative polarity leading to the right in the Northern Hemisphere are clear-cut signs of a new solar cycle, according to NOAA experts. The first active regions and sunspots of a new solar cycle can emerge at high latitudes while those from the previous cycle continue to form closer to the equator.

The sunspot has been reported by several observatories, confirming this is the first spot which developed into a visible sunspot group. SpaceWeather.com reported that it produced auroras on Jan. 5th. "It was a nice flowing display that persisted for an hour and a half," reports photographer Calvin Hall of Palmer, Alaska.

A sunspot is an area of highly organized magnetic activity on the surface of the sun. The new 11-year cycle is expected to build gradually, with the number of sunspots and solar storms reaching a maximum by 2011 or 2012, though devastating storms can occur at any time.

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The final paragraph, in its current state, seems to overstate the dangers as presented in the source and engages in fear-mongering. --SVTCobra 00:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * That's what I was thinking, so I had not included it in my edit-conflicted version. Took it out, as nothing much is expected from this one and the w:Sunspot article has such details.  -- SEWilco 00:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Jay Walsh named Wikimedia Foundation Head of Communications

January 8, 2008

Recently of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), where he worked in media and public relations, Mr. Jay Walsh was announced as the replacement for Sandy Ordonez as the communications officer for the Wikimedia Foundation on an internal mailing list on Tuesday, 8 January.

"I'm extremely grateful for [Sandy Ordonez's] hard work and excellent judgement," said Sue Gardner, Executive Director of Wikimedia Foundation, in her announcement. Ordonez managed the WMF's public and media relations from January 2007, and will stay on in Florida until the end of the month when the office is closed.

"The goal is to give Jay a fairly long handover time. So until the end of January, please continue to work directly with Sandy, while she helps Jay get oriented," added Gardner.

Walsh is fresh from a position as Manager, Public Relations at Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Previous communications positions include working for Indian and Northern Affairs, Government of Canada; Health Canada, Government of Canada; and Nova Scotia College of Art and Design University. His academics include Concordia and Mount Allison universities.

Walsh will be based out of the new offices in, California when they open on the January 15.


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Much of the information in this article is from an as-yet-unpublished announcement from Sue Gardner, as well as IRC conversation with Cary Bass for the date the offices will be open, and internet research which led me to Mr Walsh's LinkedIn resumé. -  Amgine | sw 00:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I feel very uncomfortable. You cited in the article from "internal-l", not published source. You broke the trust or had someone do so. Very disappointed. --Aphaia 00:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I am very sorry you are uncomfortable. The information in the article was primarily written prior to any announcement on any internal list. Sources confirmed the information after an announcement was made, but that was confirmation and not original documentation. -  Amgine | sw 00:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amgine (talk • contribs)

 * You seem to miss my point. And your reply doesn't make a sense to me. You wrote very in your first revision "Sandy Ordonez announces on internal-l" and this list is confidential. Without breaching its confidentiality it cannot be quoted. If you are a member you broke our trust. If you have your deep throat on the list, you had your friend not to do. I am very disappointed. --Aphaia 21:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Source
Moving source here for OR template: DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * requires a login, not very useful --SVTCobra 14:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't when I was shown it, and I have no account. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to require a log in --User:Anonymous101 Talk 18:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Newsworthy
Is this really newsworthy? I have not found anything about this on any other site? Would this be covered if this wasn't a Wikimedia site? I am not saying it is not newsworthy, I am just saying it is something to consider. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 18:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes and no. Wikimedia is the 7th most accessed family of sites worldwide, and since the site only has about a dozen employees, this technically is a major turnover. Like if Google replaced 700 people all at once. Also, people reading Wikinews likely have a pre-disposition to the "free content" movement, so it's more interesting to them.

 * On that note, it would be good if we started covering the six website families above us. But alas, that's the hazard we risk with everybody writing on what interests them, unbalanced coverage. --  Zanimum 15:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories
edit protected Please add this article to Category:Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 19:05, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

 * NB Category: CBC News. There may be others. -  Amgine | t 20:59, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


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Wikinews:CommonsTicker/20080108

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This just in: Yawn, Slow news day?

Incoming Auroras
I think it will be pretty neat, solar storm = nice lights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.90.113 (talk) 03:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Terrorist connection?!
There's probably no connection between al-Qaeda and the sunspots, but just to be sure, we'd probably better spend a few billion dollars on it, and blow up some Muslim country -- oh, say, Tajikistan.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.88.255.139 (talk) 22:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought sun was used as a nuclear dump by the soviets. Sorry, I couldn't resist either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.49.41 (talk) 12:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, but...
Yeah, sure, this IS interesting for people who like numerical information like me... but is this story really newsworthy? I mean, it can be predicted, like a new year, right? And people don't write news stories about the new year ITSELF, they write it about EFFECTS of the new year, right? Of course, it did say solar storms are coming in 2011-2012, but, oh, well. here I go again... PurplePerson 01:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Solar physics will be ever mor..."
Solar physics will be ever more important. —213.64.209.141 (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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A1GP New Zealand races Boeing 777

January 8, 2008 An Air New Zealand Boeing 777 and A1GP Team New Zealand's car held two races together at an operational airport today.

Auckland International Airport this morning (NZDT) offered the use of a runway for the national airline of New Zealand and the national A1GP team to race against each other.

The A1GP car nicknamed Black Beauty was driven by official race driver, Jonny Reid; and the commercial airliner codenamed NZ Alpha One (NZA1) piloted by Captain Dave Morgan.

Mr Reid said, "I've never been on a such a wide track before and it was fantastic looking across and seeing the Boeing 777 alongside me - it was something else altogether."

Captain Morgan was able to win the first race against Mr Reid after it was given a head start due to its slow start time. NZA1 left the tarmac traveling at around 270 km/h, whereas Black Beauty had just sped past at 300 km/h.

In the second race, Black Beauty managed to win despite having a slower start due to surface water on the runway. But water was not too much of a problem because the track was straight, Mr Reid says.

Black Beauty was not able to reach its top speed due to a speed limiter being required for A1GP races.

Prior to the commencement of the first race, Captain Morgan said that the biggest challenge he faces is trying to keep NZA1 on the ground due to less fuel than normally on a test flight, and no passengers.

Auckland International Airport managed to accommodate the race while just adjusting scheduled times and keeping the rest of the airport fully functional after being approached with the deal six-months ago. The airport has never closed since opening 42-years ago.

The stunt was used for promotion of the next race, to be held on January 20 at Taupo, New Zealand. Twenty-one nations will be arriving to take part in the sprint and feature race. Team New Zealand is currently ranked third in overall standings.

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Talk:Shimon Peres discusses the future of Israel

Is this triple repeat deliberate or a typo: "What are they killing killing killing over?" (I found it in the reply to the Darfur question.) --SVTCobra 14:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. He repeated for emphasis.  --David Shankbone 14:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Original reporting notes
In person interview on Thursday, December 20, 2007, in the Office of the President of Israel in Jerusalem. --David Shankbone 00:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ping
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Okay, I have a Windows Media format audio version of this interview I want to upload. I know somewhere there are instructions, but could somebody who knows tell me again how to upload audio in Windows format? --David Shankbone 01:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they want in ogg format. But is probably a good person to ask about this. --SVTCobra 13:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You can only upload in ogg format but there are several Free (many Free as in GPL) programs which can convert from Windows Media to ogg. I think Audacity allows opening as Windows Media and saving as ogg (in effect converting to ogg) and it is free . I think VLC allows it but it seems to be more complicated for new users and it doesn't always seem to work of the program as VLC is designed as a media player. There are probably many more but I don't know them. Hope this is helpful. Both Audacity and VLC Media Player are licensed under the GNU GPL--User:Anonymous101 Talk 16:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * After checking I have discovered that Audacity can probably not deal with Windows audio files but I have checked and I think VLC Media Player can. This is not definate as different websites say different thing but this is what I have gathered from looking at various web pages --User:Anonymous101 Talk 16:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have used audio converter many times for converting files and it works perfectly. I recommend you use it to convert your file. Just a suggestion.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 18:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How big is the file? If emailable I'll convert and upload if you're still having problems. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant to attempt this last night but got caught up in other things. Will try tonight.  --David Shankbone 18:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note, the transcoding stuff in vlc is rather complicated and hard to get working. I generally use ffmpeg (I believe it works with wma), however that is hard to find for windows (but if you are on some variant of unix, its probably already installed). Bawolff ☺☻ 04:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the promised audio? --SVTCobra 22:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * David Shankbone landed on SundayPerhaps instead of putting his actual name in the headline, just put Israeli PM instead? Shimon Peres isn't a household name as people like George W. Bush is. What do you think? --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm receptive to the idea--I won't war over it--but I think it's a mistake if we don't keep with what looks to be period pieces. That said, if the title is an issue then we should put "President Shimon Peres of Israel discusses the future of the country."   —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Shankbone (talk • contribs) 10:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Should this be moved to commons, theres a small possibility that it might be with in the scope of commons to create a gallery for that in main ns.(anyone here familiar with commons policy on something like that?). Bawolff ☺☻ 05:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer the gallery to be on Wikipedia because I want to show where the photos are used on Wikipedia. --David Shankbone 15:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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Please replace the accelerator image with its dupe: "Weizmann Institute particle accelerator.jpg". Thanks. Siebrand - (talk) 08:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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Bomb explodes in Sri Lanka near Ministry of Finance

January 8, 2008

A bomb exploded Tuesday night in Colombo, the capital of Sri Lanka. The bomb may have targeted a high-profile individual, traveling through the high-security zone in the Colombo Fort area.

Earlier in the day, a government minister was killed by a roadside bomb. This blast has been blamed on the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) by government officials.

The deputy director of the government teaching hospital in the town of Ragama, Lalini Gurusinghe, announced the death of the minister. The explosion took place in Ja-Ela, a town some 12 miles north of Colombo.


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2008 Taipei Game Show preview highlights computer industry

January 8, 2008

The 2008 Taipei Game Show, organized by Taipei Computer Association, supported by Bahamut Gamer Community, will begin on January 24 and then close on the 28 at the Taipei World Trade Center. This exhibition is sponsored by FamilyMart and titled the official motto with "Where You Are One of the Gamers" (in Chinese: 全家都是玩家) to invite the public to visit the show.

Not only the main show and the votes of the 2007 Taiwan Digital Contents Award, but world-class experts from the gaming industry like Yoshiyuki Tomino and David Gould will share experiences about gaming developments at the 2008 Taiwan Digital Content Forum.

According to the organizer, the award ceremony of the Taiwan Digital Contents Award was held before the main show in the past, but due to the schedule and arrangements of the Industrial Development Bureau of Ministry of Economic Affairs, the organizer decided to exhibit nominees from the 2007 Taiwan Digital Contents Award and postpone the award ceremony to February.

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Mostly translated from Chinese version but I ever questioned the Taipei Computer Association for some critical issues about this show. Currently, world-class gaming experts will come to visit Taiwan during this show, this information is confirmed after I mailed to the TCA. Brock contact... 15:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


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ngo on climate
This is thought provoking stuff-if only enough people read & act on it(not likely?)


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You recent edits to a prepared story were unhelpful and have been reverted. Pre-prepared obits are used by a number of media organisations and Wikinews is no different. 62.56.75.239 16:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have an issue use the article page. I also agree with what was said by 62.56.75.239 --User:Anonymous101 Talk 16:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:German composer Harald Genzmer dies at age 98

Similarities with Wikipedia's article
The first version of this article was posted on Dec 24, 2007. Wikipedia's article on the same person w:Harald Genzmer had virtually the same text at the time - see, the version posted on Dec 18, 2007.

I checked this because User:UnknownMan, who posted the first version of this article also posted other articles (Sportswriter Milt Dunnell dies at 102, French writer Julien Gracq dies at 97) whose main texts were in large part the same with or very similar to earlier versions of Wikipedia's corresponding articles. (See talk pages of the articles for details).

Now, with this article, the text is rather straightforward statement of basic facts on his career and life. So I am not sure if there is any copyright concern. And even if there is, there might be some possibility for fair use defense (or there might not be - I just don't know about fair use that well).

I am not sure if I should do anything with this article at this point, but I have decided to leave this note in case it helps others who would look into this.

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Talk:American animator Jack Zander dies, aged 99

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The earliest version of this article (posted 00:21, 20 December 2007) is somewhat similar to the article on Wikipedia. See, for example, version posted on 22:47, 19 December 2007 or 08:25, 7 December 2007.

The first sentence, which characterizes the period during which he was active as "lasted from the "golden age" of theatrical animation into the 1980s," is common to both articles.

The last sentence of the main text (i.e. excluding references, etc.) is the same.

There are some differences, too. Mention to Tom and Jerry present in this article is absent from Wikipedia's article. Zander's Animation Parlour is mentioned in Wikipedia article, but not in Wikinews.

I am not sure if the similar parts are in some way copyrightable. But I just leave a note here for potential later review by others. (And there are always other possibilities such as the similarity come from a common third source that is in the public domain, or the authors are actually the same, or there was some permission granted for use that I do not notice).

See Talk:French writer Julien Gracq dies at 97, Talk:Sportswriter Milt Dunnell dies at 102, Talk:German composer Harald Genzmer dies at age 98 for other cases like this (they are all first posted by the same user, if I am not mistaken).

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Talk:Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow dies

Partial similarity with an Wikipedia article
This article's third and fourth paragraph added through this editcould be found in Wikipedia's article on the person. See, for example, the version as of Nov 29, 2007 .

Other parts of the Wikinews article has some commonalities. The second sentence of the second paragraph in this article can be found in the Wikipedia article.

Wikipedia's article is quite long, so there might be a greater room for fair use defence regarding the use of the text, I suppose, although I am not familiar enough about fair use as to be able to determine if this is safe enough.

See Talk:French writer Julien Gracq dies at 97, Talk:Sportswriter Milt Dunnell dies at 102, Talk:German composer Harald Genzmer dies at age 98, Talk:American animator Jack Zander dies, aged 99 for other cases like this (these articles are all first posted by the same user, if I am not mistaken).

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Merging
Sorry, but I didn't see this article in development until I published my article. The other one is more comprehensive and I have added a few things from this article into the other, so this basically has been merged now. This one should probably be deleted. Hello32020 (talk) 12:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


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Abbas and Olmert meet before Bush visit

January 8, 2008 Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas held a final meeting Tuesday before their separate talks with United States President Bush this week during his visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories. Just hours before President Bush is due to touch down in Israel, Mr. Olmert and Mr. Abbas met in Jerusalem.

Neither man issued any public statements following the meeting, but they instructed their negotiators to form working groups to discuss core issues such as the status of Jerusalem, Israel's borders with a future Palestinian state and the issue of Palestinian refugees. The talks are supposed to lead to the formation of a Palestinian state by the end of this year. However, neither side said when the talks would start.

Talks between the two sides have been bogged down since last November's Annapolis, Maryland Mideast peace conference, with Palestinians angry over continued Israeli settlement expansion in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and Israelis angry over continued Palestinian militant attacks.

Mahdi Abdel Hadi who heads the Palestinian research group PASSIA says both Mr. Olmert and Mr. Abbas are politically weakened, and it is unlikely either man can probably give the other what he wants.

"I think both leaders, Olmert and Abbas are weak, vis-à-vis their constituencies," he explained. "It is what they can deliver to their own societies. Olmert is facing challenges by other leaders to take over the prime ministership.  Abbas is challenged by the partition between Gaza and the West Bank and there have been no improvements to the quality of life under occupation."

Since their last meeting with Mr. Bush at the Annapolis Mideast peace conference, Mr. Abbas and Mr. Olmert have each accused the other of reneging on pledges to advance the peace process. Now it will be up to Mr. Bush to see if he can get Mr. Abbas and Mr. Olmert to bridge their differences and get the peace process that was revived at Annapolis back on track.

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Hello. Welcome to Wikinews. Thank you for your contribution, however, it was in an article that should be in its final form. Wikinews articles are not works-in-progress. Please visit the style guide to learn how to contribute to Wikinews. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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This reminds me of that family guy episode where Lois learns martial arts, and then Meg and Chris are fighting, and she makes them hug each other. "Now stay that way."

Except that President Bush thinks that making Olmert and Abbas hug each other and stay that way is going to make their peoples get along too.


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Alaskan plane crash survivors say cargo door swung open

January 8, 2008

Survivors of this weekend's airplane crash in Alaska, United States say they saw the forward cargo door of their Piper Piper PA-31 Navajo Chieftain swing open shortly after takeoff. The plane crashed into frigid waters a short distance from the runway, killing six of the ten on board, including the pilot, and leaving the other four hospitalized.

The US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is investigating the accident, and NTSB investigator Clint Johnson said "There have been some incidents and accidents that did result from the door coming open. We don't know yet if there are similarities." He refused to speculate on accident cause, pointing out that a full investigation would take some time to complete.

The remains of the fuselage have been laid out in a maintenance hangar close to the Kodiak Island accident site and is scheduled for examination tomorrow pending arrival of an accident investigation representative from Piper, who will provide detailed technical assistance. The nine-passenger complement had chartered the Servant Air plane to fly to Homer, and represented maximum capacity for the twin-engined plane.

It appears that the survivors were seated at the rear of the plane. The deceased were identified as pilot Robin Starrett, 50, of Kodiak and five Homer residents - Stefan F. Basargin, 36, Pavel F. Basargin, 30, Zahary F. Martushev, 25, Iosif F. Martushev, 15, and Andrian Reutov, 22. The survivor's names have now also been released; they are Karnely Ivanov, 32, of Anchor Point, Feodot Basargin, 33, of Anchorage, Anton Rijkoff, 30, of Anchorage, and Andrean Basargin, 25, of Homer.

There have been two previous cases of Alaskan Piper Navajo crashes confirmed to have been caused by open forward cargo hatches. In April 1990 a compartment opened during takeoff from Deadnight; this caused separation of an engine cover which proceeded to strike and damage the horizontal stabilizer. No-one was injured.

It was discovered that a vital spring designed to exert pressure and thus keep the door shut was missing; the operator had improvised its own device to shut the door without correctly locking it.

The second crash occurred in May 1996. A Cape Smythe Air Services owned-and-operated aircraft attempting takeoff at Point Hope had its forward door unexpectedly open as the nose lifted off. Cargo went through the left propeller, forcing an emergency crash landing on the ice severely injuring two people.

The pilot had loaded the hold and then visually inspected the door. Under the false impression that it had been secured properly he proceeded to takeoff. He had originally attempted to turn the aircraft around and told the NTSB he had thought that the aircraft should have been able to fly despite the open door, although he appreciated aircraft documentation did not specifically mention such conditions.

Small, local-based Servant Air had been operating the 1979 aircraft since 2004 without any difficulties. As with many such carriers, the pilot is responsible for loading and checking the door. The door is approximately 3 1/2 feet wide and 2 1/2 feet high.


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Pentagon releases video of incident involving Iranian ships in Persian Gulf

January 9, 2008 The Pentagon in the United States has released a video tape of an incident where Iranian high-speed boats attempted to surround at least three U.S. warships passing through international waters in the Persian Gulf.

On Monday January 7, a fleet of the Iranian boats charged and then threatened to blow up the U.S. ships. In the video, which was shot from the USS Hopper, and runs for some four minutes, shows the speedboats racing at the US ships. In the audio, a warning said to come from the Iranians can be heard: "I am coming at you; you will explode." Near the end of the footage, the Americans issue their own warning to change course or become "subject to defensive measures."

Tuesday, U.S. President George W. Bush called the actions of the Iranians a "provocative act":

"My message today to the Iranians is they shouldn't have done what they did. It is a dangerous situation. They should not have done it, pure and simple. . . . I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act," said Bush during a press conference in the White House's Rose Garden today.

The boats disappeared a short time later, just as the U.S. ships were preparing to open fire on the vessels.

Iran claims that their troops may not have recognized the ships as being from the U.S. and says that the incident is "normal" for both nations.

"That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," said Mohammed Ali Hosseini, a spokesman for the Foreign ministry in Tehran.

Further, Iran claims that the footage released by the Pentagon is just a part of a propaganda campaign. "The footage released by the US Navy are file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," Revolutionary Guard sources said on Iranian TV.


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Archiving
Please do not add the archive tag unless the archive conventions (WN:ARCHIVE) have been followed and appropriate edits made. --SVTCobra 14:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the remainder. i'm sort of aware of the conventions and think i'm following them in this series of edits. if you spot me missing something, feel free to point out or fix. reg,–Doldrums(talk) 14:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: ArbCom nominations
Sure, thank you, although I haven't seen any need for it since I've been around, I think the wikinewsies deserve a lot of choice and I've been around for some time now so I'm interested what people think of me as well :-D. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Have a look at Arbitration_Committee/Elections_January_2008. I don't really have the time or the patience to ask you first, so I just boldly nominated you. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Some say that the terms were extended and that we shouldn't be having elections now. Please see WN:AAA. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much...
...for the pleasant and rather helpful welcome :) Dylansmrjones 17:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you take a look?
Talk:Main Page. Looks like you've got a copyvio on the main page. Lupo 12:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

tabbed navigation
what's the likelihood of setting up tabbed navigation (such as )? –Doldrums(talk) 15:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite easy. I believe user:Darklama has code for something similiar on wikibooks (I'll look into that). Alternatively we could probably easily adapt the link you provided as well. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got a tab demo (using DarkLama's version of the wikibooks main page) set up at User:Bawolff/sandbox/tabs, but I still need to intergrate it more with wiki-syntax ( ==heading== should make a tab, etc) as well as make it look more monobooky. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: the js is currently at user:Bawolff/tabber.js, not mediawiki:NavigationTabs.js. (the mediawiki ns one is darklama's tabbing system, which is slightly different). I added the js to MediaWiki:Common.js/User:Doldrums/Main page so that it would load for anyone who views user:Doldrums/Main page. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome message. I am here mainly because I edit on wikipedia (have done so for 11 and a half months). Thanks HarrisonB 07:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know...
I know, it was for a joke in the irc - I like zach - I was illustrating defamation to someone :) Symode09 12:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Main Page design
Not sure what your thoughts on the new top half of the front page are, but I'd like to see your tabbed bottom half added to it. This would lose the latest news section, so I suggest making the main lead a front tab with latest behind it. |Lead|Latest News| style.

Is the tabbing something that the new parser is needed for? Do you know if it can be done per-wiki so we could get a new look faster? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * the tabs don't need the new parser. it's just javascript and we only need to add User:Bawolff/tabber.js to the site scripts. i'm not so sure about the idea of hiding away latest news behind the lead but that shldn't stop you from trying it out :) –Doldrums(talk) 11:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * reg. tab-ing latest news, i feel people who come to a news website shldn't have to click a button to read the latest news. –Doldrums(talk) 11:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page, much appreciated. I mostly created this account as a way of stopping vandals taking it, didn't expect to get vandalised. Thanks--Jac16888 - (talk) 17:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Template
Thanks for your comments re Major Alan G. Rogers. Since I'm more familiar with wikipedia's style and rules, I am writing to ask if you know of a good style template for news articles that would work well with Wikinews. The {source} format threw me for a loop last night, and the way the cites come through, it's a bit of a mess right now. I guess it's better, on Wikinews, to put all the references at the end of the article? Your assistance on this matter is greatly appreciated.$$Insert formula here$$ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robapalooza (talk • contribs) 14:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Aware
I am aware of all that. I lifted Wikipedias article which is copyright free and reordered it so it was less of a press release. Some bits had been rewritten and and not a violation.--Irate - (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

WN:TO-DO
I have started WN:TO-DO as a place to list what should be daily or weekly points to check for regular contributors. Some parts are admin-only (e.g. Archiving) but others are things that anyone can get involved with. Feel free to add additional points and spread the word about this shortcut to get people helping do Wikignome tasks. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

2008 Arbitration Committee elections
I have nominated you for the Arbitration Committee. Please see Arbitration Committee/Elections July 2008 and if you wish to, accept the nomination and then provide a brief statement. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 21:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

FlaggedRevs
If you have not already seen this, please look, comment, and vote both here and on bugzilla. Further assistance such as contact information for Google would be a very useful detail to share and help in petitioning for a listing in their news index. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

You have been put up for desysoping due to inactivity
Hi Doldrums, just as a heads-up, you have been put up for deadminship based on your recent inactivity. If you wish to comment on this, please leave a message here. Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk]  01:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Inactivity - Permissions removed
Since you were inactive on Wikinews, we removed your account bits (Administrator, Reviewer). If you become re-active and would like your bits back, simply ask as 'Crat. Thank you. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 18:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Pentagon releases video of incident involving Iranian ships in Persian Gulf

Video
Having trouble finding the video...can anyone help? would prefer the RAW Pentagon release if possible. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From the MSNBC source I added it may not be released yet. The Navy's website doesn't have it. --SVTCobra 22:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Saw it on FOX News...but so far not seen it anywhere online. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mercury News confirms it is out and provides some description of it (added to sources) --SVTCobra 22:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to see it for OR and because apparently the men in the Iranian boats were placing boxes with unknown stuff inside them near the ships. There is also audio on it claims AP and if so, I want to see if the US really did prepare to fire, and what if anything was said to the Iranians and vice versa. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it would make it OR if it is video that is online and/or on television. --SVTCobra 22:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure it is...we have to watch it to truly describe the events that happened. Its classic or :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Alaskan plane crash survivors say cargo door swung open

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Will Wikimedia "run on Sun"?

January 9, 2008

An internal Wikimedia communiqué was leaked over the weekend. Like many e-mails, the document is a chain of forwards, replies, and attachments. The attached Portable Document Format (PDF) file was from a PowerPoint presentation, entitled "Wikimedia Foundation: Past, Present, and Future". The presentation is watermarked confidential, do not distribute, and details the Foundation's recent financial, technical, and traffic history, outlines near-term forecasts for all three, and makes suggestions for slightly longer horizons as well. By itself the document led to several inter-connected news stories.

Wikimedia Foundation approaches donors
Sue Gardner was, in part, hired to find innovative routes to secure funding for the Foundation. What is interesting in this case is who she approached, and with whom.

This presentation was used during a meeting with Sun Microsystems. Sun has long been a supporter of Wikimedia, and has previously offered hardware and financial support. A loan of a Niagara machine allowed performance testing, which showed that hardware and software setup was not suitable for the Wikimedia environment which existed at the time, but both Wikimedia's environment and Sun's hardware and software have changed since those tests. Gardner's delegation included Roger McNamee, a technology financier with Elevation Partners among other connections to Silicon Valley's investors and visionaries.

The document does not explain the details of the meeting, but mentions donation proposals for short term and long term. "In general, I don't want to have a conversation with the media (even friendly media!) about meetings we have with other organizations, until and unless there is something worth talking about," Ms Gardner replied to an e-mail inquiry regarding the presentation.

Mediawiki technology
The software which underpins the Foundation's projects is constantly being developed, both from within and from third parties. Mediawiki is an open source software package, one with a significant share in its market; efforts to add functionality often have their own development projects and timelines. The presentation outlined some of these efforts and their respective timelines.

 * Wiki-to-print is currently in testing, and is expected to deploy February to March, 2008
 * Flagged revisions is currently in testing, and is expected to deploy before June, 2008
 * Collaborative video editing is currently in testing, and is expected to deploy initially perhaps in October 2008

Other technologies were also shown in the presentation, but these specific examples show some of the types of projects and their ambitious initial completion dates.

Kaltura collaborative video
Some of these technologies are joint ventures with commercial entities, such as the "Kaltura widget"extension designed to support collaborative video on the Mediawiki platform. The code for this project is promised to be open sourced, and the main page of the Kaltura site has a link to sourceforge, but the http://sourceforge.net/projects/kaltura/ cvs is currently empty though it is marked to be GPL. An inquiry into the current output of the extension finds it is embeding a flash object into the output. The special page allowing video editing was not operational after creating a user account (8 Jan 2008). The Wikimedia Foundation is expected to release an announcement regarding this project on January 14, however the current Kaltura extension, which requires proprietary flash and Kaltura's proprietary server, won't be used on Wikimedia sites.

"The Wikimedia Foundation is strongly committed to open source, open formats, sustainability, and privacy," said Brion Vibber, Wikimedia Foundations Chief Technical Officer. "We're excited to see Kaltura working towards making their collaborative video editing system open source and more compatible with the open world, and look forward to further work in that area. The initial version of Kaltura's extension for MediaWiki is an early demonstration, and will not be used on Wikimedia's web sites."

An enthusiastic version of what was intended to be a joint announcement appeared for a time on the Kaltura website. At 13:29 on January 8, the page read, "The Wikimedia Foundation, and Kaltura, Inc. announced on _____ that the companies have joined forces to bring rich-media collaboration to Wikipedia. With the launch of this joint venture, users have been invited to test new functionality that will enable Wikipedia articles to include collaboratively created video, audio, animations, and slideshows as well as text and images. You are invited to experiment with this functionality at this Wiki, as well as at wikiducator.org/____."

Flagged revisions
Other projects have been initiated from within the Wikimedia communities. The Flagged Revisions extension developed from the German Wikipedia community's desire to have an approved version of an article being the default view, with registered editors able to choose whether to see the default view or the most recent revision. The code is primarily developed and maintained by Aaron Schulz and Joerg Baach on Wikimedia's SVN server. Quality.wikimedia.org and the external site wikixp.org/qa are involved in testing the extension and the concept implementation.

Flagged revisions allow the community to display versions of an article which have not been vandalised and do not contain misinformation. It is a part of several efforts to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles, spearheaded by the German Wikipedia. The German model is two-tiered, with a subset of users being able to select a "sighted version" or a "validated version". The former have been examined primarily for vandalism and simple accuracy, while the latter would involve an in-depth review of the article's content and quality.

The initial 1.0 release of the extension was in the first half of 2007, and it continues under active development as testing at the beta stages goes forward. Community models for its implementation have not yet been finalized, and they would be needed for every project and language.

Forecasts and financials
In addition to discussing technical forecasts, future expenditures were given general forecasts and a breakdown of salary growth were presented based on pre-audit details.

Costs between June 2007 and June 2008 were predicted to double, from US$2,650,000 to US$5,700,000 (normalized). The largest growth is expected in salaries as the Foundation undergoes re-organization and fills long-vacant positions, tripling the 2007 payroll.

Florence Nibart-Devouard, current Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, expressed pleasure at discovering the projections. "We have not [had] a complete financial picture for some time. It was requested of Carolyn while she was employed with us[, and] it was one of the priorities for Sue Gardner to give quarterly updates, but these did not happen yet because there is so much to do," she said during a phone interview on 7 Jan. "… The board did not request these projections, but I think it should be a good idea if they were informed of them. Especially when we prepare next year's budget, in April or May."

The Foundation's Chief Operations Officer, Carolyn Doran, resigned in July 2007. Although Ms Gardner was hired in July, Board member Michael Davis, former treasurer, provided financial information to the board through much of 2007.

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OR
The content in this article is based primarily upon interviews with relevant figures via telephone, e-mail, and IRC. Some documents associated with this investigation are copied to Wikinews, with some alterations (e-mail addresses removed, headers removed), as follows:
 * Email Sue Gardner Jan 5, 2008 4:15 AM
 * [[Image:Wikimedia_Past_Present_and_Future.pdf|Wikimedia_Past_Present_and_Future.pdf]]
 * Email Sue Gardner January 7, 2008 7:53:44 PM PST
 * Kaltura's take —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmc (talk • contribs) 10:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Date
Published on Jan 8 with a Jan 9 date. Intentional? --SVTCobra 23:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Not on my part... best put it back... -  Amgine | sw 23:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amgine (talk • contribs)
 * Was intentional, I published about ten to midnight my timezone - didn't want two WMF stories on the one day. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Opening para
What on earth does that opening paragraph have to do with the rest of the story? So someone wrote something that was going to be like Google Suggest with Wikis, I don't see the connection to any of the information from the leaked document. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 04:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The first paragraph related to the original title, and the fact the leak was about donations but the story doesn't end up being about donations. It was almost certainly a journalistic mistake on my part. -  Amgine | sw 06:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amgine (talk • contribs)

half of this is publicly known
A lot of this stuff is public knowladge. The only think new i really see is the collaberative video editing thing, which is way off in the future from the sounds of it. The most intersting part is that it was marked secret, but other then that, it doesn't seem to actually contain any secrets. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears Sue sent you the email (according to the email you have posted). How is it leaked? Bawolff ☺☻ 04:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not in the recipient or cc list of the original e-mail, which included the attachment pdf. The second e-mail was in response to inquiries. -  Amgine | sw 06:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amgine (talk • contribs)

Inspiration for return
May I ask what inspired you to return to Wikinews after so long, Amgine? While it's great to see our contributor base expanding, your departure seemed so definitively final. -- Zanimum 16:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Amgine? --  Zanimum 15:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry Zanimum. I left Wikinews, and all WMF volunteering, when Mr Möeller was elected to the board of trustees, as I did not wish to be in conflict with a member of the board. When he left the board, I no longer felt constrained by this. (Was working yesterday, no time to wiki.) -  Amgine | sw 03:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

mention of metavid
I hope its oky I added a mention of metavid to the collaborative video section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdale (talk • contribs) 21:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really doesn't fit as i don't think it has anything to do with the article. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * oky .. I thought it might better contextualize the kaltura proposal / lack of press release by pointing out other work being done in that area that board is well aware of. But removal is fine with me. Mdale —Preceding comment was added at 22:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Related news- is it really related?
Is Former Chief Operating Officer of Wikimedia Foundation is convicted felon sufficiently related to be linked here? I'm having trouble seeing how that one is particularly related beyond just being a prominent story about the Wikimedia Foundation. JoshuaZ 23:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Nothing. This employee was hired and fired before Sue was an employee, and the convicted had no involvement in the site's technology or partnerships. --  Zanimum 15:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sue Gardner
Sue Gardner doesnt exist. 121.219.20.106 04:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks 121..., indeed, that's true. Removed. --  Zanimum 17:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Now it does. =) PIE EATER | TALK TO ME  19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilikepie2221 (talk • contribs)

This article cited by Heise Online News

 * Interesting stuff. Cirt (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting stuff. Cirt (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Lemoine Suggests: investigations from a Wikimedia Foundation news leak/Email Sue Gardner Jan 5, 2008 4:15 AM

From: Sue Gardner Date: Jan 5, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: Thanks re Wikipedia meeting, & next steps To: Jonathan Schwartz, Greg Papadopoulos Cc: Roger McNamee, Erik Möller

Hi Jonathan & Greg,

This is just a quick note to say thanks so much for meeting with Roger, Erik & me in December. We really appreciate it - hope you both had good holidays afterwards.

In the meeting, we talked about the possibility of Sun making a major contribution to Wikimedia's hosting, so that you could reinforce your position as open source leaders by association with us in your marketing. We think this makes sense, and would love to make it work.

Next steps. Erik will pull together a wishlist, which we will send to you by the end of January – let's say January 28. The list will likely come in two versions: one focusing on our immediate needs and our preferences in terms of hardware and software, and one laying out a "Wikimedia runs on Sun" scenario in which we fully switch over, with your help, to an integrated Sun environment. They will target different scales, let's say about $1M in hardware vs. $5M in hardware/software/support.

Please let us know if any of this is contrary to what you remember, or if you want us to refine/revise anything. Otherwise, you'll hear from us in about three weeks.

Thanks, Sue

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Lemoine Suggests: investigations from a Wikimedia Foundation news leak/Email Sue Gardner January 7, 2008 7:53:44 PM PST

From: 	Sue Gardner Amgine wrote: I figure this will be easiest if we remain on a single e-mail thread then.

Sure, that's fine. So I will keep it all here.

I've been collecting documentation regarding the Wikimedia Foundation's recent fundraising efforts for a news article on Wikinews (No doubt, Sue, Erik has informed you I left the project, as well as curtailed my volunteer involvement with WMF, upon his election to the Board of Trustees. For your benefit, Erik, I am tentatively doing some minor editing and rc-patrol on en.wn) I believe I have a reasonably complete picture of preliminary results.

Great: let me know if you have any questions or need anything confirmed. You can also, obviously, feel free to speak with Erik. Please be aware also that the "Contributions summary" page isn't necessarily the full picture: it doesn't include all donations sources. So if you want to use totals for your story, you should confirm them with me or Erik to ensure they're complete.

But I do have a number of questions based on what I've learned.

1. A $250k donation, earmarked for hardware. I would appreciate knowing who made the donation, when, and (if possible) why. I'd love to know if the WMF has determined how this donation will be used.

The 250K is coming from a recently-established private foundation that has educational goals similar to ours: they admire what we're doing and want to support us, so they phoned the office and offered to make a contribution. (I'm not sure if it matters for your story, but the 250K is actually unrelated to the online fundraiser, and is not included in the fundraiser totals. Also, it may be worth noting that we have not received the money yet. This is totally fine: these things always take a while.)

After that call, I consulted with the tech team, and we decided to use the money to buy core database servers in our Florida cluster. We had intended to buy the servers anyway: this donation will simply cover most/all of the cost. I am happy to tell you the basic story, but I don't want to publicly give the name of the organization that's offering us the money: I don't have their permission to do that. They might be fine with it: who knows. I just am not comfortable making that decision for them.

2. A $500k donation. I would appreciate knowing who made the donation, when, and (if possible) why. I'd also like to know if there were any restrictions placed on this donation, like the previous one was dedicated to hardware purchases. You may already know that our default position is to give donors anonymity unless they specifically say it's okay to use their names. Lots of donors, particularly those who are giving large amounts, prefer to remain anonymous, and I think it's only fair to respect that. In this instance, I don't have permission to give the donor's name: sorry.

I do not know specifically why this donor made the contribution: clearly they wanted to support our work, but I don't know anything more specific than that. And no, there were no restrictions put on the donation.

3. A presentation was made to Sun Microsystems by yourselves, plus Roger McNamee in December. This presentation was at least partially created on November 20th and 21st, and has a large amount of information in it regarding recent past, present, and near-term financial, technical, and traffic. I have at least several questions regarding this presentation, including: 3.a When did the meeting with Sun Microsystems take place, and with whom did you meet? 3.b Assuming the donations proposals are eventually worked out and all parties are able to reach agreement, will the WMF move to a proprietary server network? 3.c One of the technical advances discussed in the proposal is collaborative video. Researching this I discovered a mediawiki site within Kaltura which seemed to be very closely related. Is this connection correct?

In general, I don't want to have a conversation with the media (even friendly media!) about meetings we have with other organizations, until and unless there is something worth talking about. We have lots of provisional conversations with lots of different organizations and people, which don't necessarily imply anything about future plans or possibilities. So as a general practice, I would never comment on a specific meeting or presentation.

Beyond that, as I'm sure you know, the Wikimedia Foundation is committed to running on an infrastructure powered by open source and open standards. We have no plans to change that.

Amgine, let me know if there's any more information I can give you. I'm going to be away from the computer for a couple of hours; back later tonight and obviously tomorrow as well.

Thanks for your interest, and best regards. Sue

I should very much like to know answers to these and other questions, and will be in irc://freenode.net/Wikinews-en for some hours yet this evening if that would speed the process.

Best regards,

Amgine

On 7-Jan-08, at 4:11 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:

Hi Amgine,

I'd be happy to talk with Wikinews about the fundraiser - although it would be great if you could wait a few days; we are collating all the donations right now, and don't yet have final totals. I'm CCing Erik so he can jump in & say when we will.

Do you want to do it by e-mail? If so, I can start answering questions now, and fill in the blanks when I get the last bits of info.

Let me know what you think - thanks, Sue

Original Message Subject:    Re: [Ticket#2008010610008625] Interview with Sue Gardner Date:    Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:21:24 +0000 From:    Wikimedia press team  Organization:    Wikimedia To:    Sue Gardner

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Forwarded message from Amgine  ---

From: Amgine To: press@wikimedia.org Subject: Interview with Sue Gardner Date: 2008-01-06 23:55:49

Hi! This is Amgine at en.Wikinews. I'm working on a story involving the Wikimedia Foundation, especially covering the recently ended  Fundraiser drive. I'm looking for the opportunity to interview Sue Gardner, hopefully in the early part of this week. I can be reached most easily by cell phone,, or home phone ,  or IRC (check irc://freenode.net/Wikinews-en). I will happily call anywhere for the chance to conduct the interview, or any other venue  which would be most convenient. Best regards, Amgine End forwarded message ---

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Canupa Gluha Mani speaks about Lakota Oyate, Lakota freedom

January 9, 2008

It's now been three weeks since the four-person declared that the  were withdrawing from their treaties with the United States and, though small, the movement still proves controversial: two U.S.-recognized Lakota tribal governments have rejected the Delegation's authority outright with at least one tribe stating it will consider the Delegation's, now Lakota Oyate's, proposal. The rest of the tribes have remained silent.

The central figure the movement has been Canupa Gluha Mani, a longtime activist whose tactics have led repeatedly to his arrest and imprisonment — most recently in June 2007, when Canupa Gluha Mani was one of six arrested who participated in blockading a road in Nebraska to keep outside alcohol from entering his where it is banned. Wikinews talked to Canupa Gluha Mani about the movement and Lakota Oyate in an exclusive interview.

Also called Duane Martin Sr, Canupa Gluha Mani prefers to be referred to as just that, "Canupa Gluha Mani"; it means "He walks as he protects the pipe", though much of the meaning is lost in translation between English and the delicately-nuanced Lakota language. Canupa Gluha Mani prefers to speak in this, his native tongue — he "hates" that the English language has become the everyday language of the Lakota, and decries the extinction of many indigenous American languages — but uses English fluently and earthily.

Canupa Gluha Mani talked about the Cante Tenza, the Strong Heart Warrior Society, which he heads and which forms the paramilitary force of Lakotah. The society, an okolakiciye or warrior society, originated in the. He told the following story: Four warriors in the hills ran across a and gave it chase. And as the coyote ran he turned into a Lakota man, and in his changing the man left four objects: a rattle, a drum, a lance, and a with which the Lakota people could be defended. Canupa Gluha Mani is a warrior leader, and his position with relation to the treaty council which traditionally governs the Lakota is "whip-man", loosely "sergeant at arms" — that is, he enforces order and decorum when passions grow heated during tribal discussions.

The authority of the Lakota Freedom Delegation, he says, comes not from the -recognized governments but rather from the "people who understand treaties", i.e. the treaty council, from among the Seven Sister Bands of the Lakota. This traditional government is based on the idea of "staying quiet and listening to the people who have answers", the "itacans" or expert headmen.

Canupa Gluha Mani also endorsed Naomi Archer, who has acted as Lakota Oyate's liaison; indeed, as the Lakota Freedom Delegation prepared its trip to Washington DC he called in Naomi Archer, who though of non-native extraction is his adopted sister and a fellow Cante Tenza member, to handle media support. "I support the understandings of what she's saying", he said, referring to a previous interview with Archer which revealed an apparent split between and other members of the Lakota Freedom Delegation. "She as an individual has integrity." However, the previous interview missed nuances and the perceived gap between Lakota Oyate and Russell Means' Republic of Lakota is not so great. "There's no division here....it's communication, that's all. We can always get past this."

With regard to Russell Means, who has declared himself Chief Facilitator of the, he said, "I've worked with my uncle Russell Means in positive venues. And I'm still behind him, I have love for him;" He emphasized the familial bond between himelf and Means, noting that Means had adopted him as a nephew. However, "the Lakota have to be recognized." It was "genocide", he said, that of all the races of humanity, American Indians are not represented at the United Nations.

On the subject of Lakota activist Alfred Bone Shirt, who organized the Lakota Oyate's first freedom celebration and information meeting on Saturday, 5 January but has since made comments attacking the legitimacy of Canupa Gluha Mani, Naomi Archer and Lakota Oyate, Canupa Gluha Mani had this to say. "I have nothing to do with Mr Bone Shirt, nothing against him". He also noted that Lakota Oyate had respected Bone Shirt's call to take down invitations for donations, but expressed a wish that Mr Bone Shirt would make the same call to any other website inviting donations to Lakotah.

The traditional decision making process within the Lakota, he said, was informal discussions among the women of the Lakota rather than pronouncements and declarations. Ideas like western forms of government — referencing the "Republic" — and the use of the English language were part of the reason for both the misunderstanding of the dispute between Russell Means and Canupa Gluha Mani and the Lakota's problems: "It's hard for Indian people to adapt to this modern lifestyle....It's white teaching that cause Indian problem....leave us alone....This country has not learned a thing about its own First Nations people."

US governing of Lakota has led directly to the economic and social decline of the Lakotah people, he argues. Canupa Gluha Mani noted that the life expectancy for Lakota men is only 44, and that alcohol and drug use are epidemic, as are infectious diseases such as tuberculosis. But revival of the Lakota has to be not just economic to improve the circumstances of the people, but cultural too: "Our language is at stake right now" but the US government-backed institutions like the Tribal Police are just "the second coming of the white man's cavalry".

Canupa Gluha Mani is on record as saying in a previous interview that "we'll probably get killed for" withdrawing from the United States. Now, he is tight-lipped on the future, and when asked about the possibility of a confrontation with the US will only say that "anything's plausible."

And if the United States government leaves the Lakota alone? "Then we can take our practices forward in good will." Canupa Gluha Mani, who is married to a woman of European descent, says that the traditional American Indian lifestyle can coexist with the western lifestyle, but "every wound has to heal". "We can be self-sufficient. We can govern ourselves." Having withdrawn from the outstanding treaties with the United States, will Lakota Oyate make a new arrangement with Washington? "That has yet to be exonerated." Lakotah continues to seek international recognition; although no country has declared recognition for Lakotah, he is "confident with the Bolivians" and also noted a positive response from the "Bulgarian freedom fighters" pressuring the US to recognize Lakota independence.

Canupa Gluha Mani then addressed the Lakota people directly. "What needs to get out there is, I love my people....This is your dream come true. That's what the symbolic meaning of Lakotah is. It's called freedom. Hoka hay."