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Thank you for the links Ash Lux. I find myself framing the issue of cartoon use in terms of the No original conclusions debate on the Water cooler. It less so contains elements of the debate stub editorials. Cartoons are a matter that draw on creativity and originality, that could be subjected to collaboration.

 * Yet, a Jimbo comment during the LA Times Wikitorial experiment, "It seems impossible for someone who disagrees with the central thrust of the original editorial to both respect the intentions of the authors, and also to have a voice," suggests that a separate Wiki project (WikiTOONS) would be unworkable.

 * But that doesn't make it right that a cartoon struggles for space on this wiki, when nearly every other news organization provides for them. What's wrong, or rather, right about that?

 * Yeah, bore my brains out with WikiMedia, they ain't got an answer, nor a cure.

On Wikitorial and WikiTOONS
I like the Wikitorial idea, but it seems down now. And Jimbo is correct that essentially "comments" are the best way to make editorials possible. But I've said this dozens of times.

Since you brought it up, I'll repost the section you like to above.

 * Might be a good idea to allow people to post cartoons they draw. Could separate into categories, like political, religion and so on.
 * I think this is a great idea, however there are two problems, first is by definition a political cartoon can not be NPOV and the secound lesser problem is finding people to draw them that are willing to allow the cartoon into public domain or GFDL. If these two problems can be worked out I think this would be great for WikiNews --Cspurrier 17:34, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's fine to try. Cspurrier is wrong that individual cartoons need to be NPOV. Articles need to be NPOV in whole. And individual sentences and paragraphs need to use NPOV langauge. But individual sentences, pagraphrapgs, and pictures need not present all sides of the story. So artists need to be prepared for cartoon's to be shot down if they effectively "use POV language". But the natrual tendency of a cartoon to depict only one side of the story is not itself a problem. Simply posting the cartoon next to a paragraph who shares its views, and not the intro, goes a LONG way towards making this possible.

As an extreme example, imagine your article favors one side by a word ratio of 1-3, as often happens, but has a cartoon mildly leaning towards the word count loser. You'd have to be #$%^*@! stupid to remove that cartoon. Nyarlathotep 10:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * (replying to ed's query on my talk page reg. 'toons)
 * my thoughts on cartoon are no different from those expressed above. i too wld like to see them in wikinews, but don't see a way to do it while conforming strictly to the NPOV policy. the trouble with cartoons, i think, is that they almost always run foul of the npov requirement of fairly representing persons/views/actions, (someone can almost always argue with some justification that they do not).

 * to use them on wikinews, we could (theoretically, zealous admins may please note, and take cursor off of those buttons :)
 * dilute the npov requirement in policy
 * use the usual means (discussion and... ahem, consensus building) to choose cartoons which are sufficiently (though not quite absolutely) npov.
 * use a cartoon to illustrate a particular pov in a story, with corresponding weights given to other povs elsewhere (or in other cartoons), as suggested by nyarlathotep.
 * cheat. such as upload cartoon to commons (which doesn't have npov req.) and use a template (such as wikipediapar) or linking in wikinews to point to the cartoon (similar to the (now dead?) pov.wikicities. so the cartoon is not displayed, or emphasised in the wikinews article and hence has a very modest pov effect.

 * i do think that doing any of these will potentially pose a thin-edge-of-wedge problem. i'm also not sure from where we're going to get good quality cartoons to use? Doldrums 08:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Water cooler topic: Webcomic Entry Proposal
Dear Wikipedia Editors, I'd like to submit my work for Wikipedia's Webcomic editors to consider. I am a freelance illustrator and writer and have been doing this comic for some time, though it has just recently been brought online. Though still on a blogspot site, I hope you might find it worthy of a listing: http://www.kittyandpiggy.blogspot.com.

My work has appeared alongside Tom Tomorrow and Ted Rall, and I communicate with David Rees. My illustration portfolio and full resume and publishing history can be viewed at http://www.creativehotlist.com/r-magill

Thank you for your consideration.

Regards, R. Jay Magill, Jr.

 * I'm not entirly sure what you're asking, but it sounds better suited for . (I believe they have some cartoons there - commons:Category:Cartoons, Commons:Category:Editorial cartoons, and Commons:Category:Comics) Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 18:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hope you don't mind that i fixed your links. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 18:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome to contribute an editorial cartoon to any story here on Wikinews, or wikipedia articles. Commons may be the best upload location since many larger stories have both a wikipedia article as well as wikinews articles.

In general, we have few editorial cartoons here on wikinews since its harder to modify them collaboratively, but we are always looking for more image like content for articles (just look at all the articles we stick national flags onto). Editorial cartoons here need to avoid biasing a story. Nyarlathotep 16:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Magill,

I struggled with an interest of introducing cartoons to Wikinews last Fall. Some of the issues I confronted: These are just some thoughts of mine from having travelled down this road for a brief distance. You may be interested to know that there was once a very lively debate to allow publication of editorial content on Wikinews. It was ultimately voted down. Whether cartoons, which by definition are expected to lampoon people and events, would be acceptable is another matter.-Edbrown05 18:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikinews maintains a strict policy of reporting with a “neutral point of view”. Facts are neutral, opinions are editorial. An editorial cartoon expresses a viewpoint, so it would find itself in the company of editorial news stories, which are not published here because they express a viewpoint.
 * 2) Because of the point above, the inclusion of a comic illustration for the story French riots continue into second week was relegated to an “External link” at the bottom of the page. Not a very satisfactory placement in my opinion.
 * 3) A 4-panel cartoon such as those you are engaged in might be best presented as it own headline: Kity and Piggy: Abramhoff. But how would other contributors collaborate with the content of that cartoon? Or should Wikinews create a content space for the sole purpose of cartoons, such as a new Topic category.

 * Oh, thats a shame about the French cartoon, I almost mentioned that one as a prime example of a sufficiently unbiased cartoon. :)
 * A cartoon doesn't need to be totally unbiased, it only needs to be balanced within the context of the story. You just run into some "a pictures worth a thousand words" effect.  I believe we'd ultimately accept editorial cartoons if we had one dedicated contributor who really tried hard to keep them neutral, and did not exert a predictable left or right bias via the cartoons.  We'd start optimizing the placement and comments to balance the story.  For example, you could have an editorial cartoon next to a paragraph about one POV, and an oversized text quote from a pagragraph about the other.
 * Anyway, Mr. Magill, your very welcome to try, but people will hold you to a higher standard of neutrality than other users. I'd also be best if the cartoons target less controversial stories.  Oh, plus, people arn't going to like any cartoons with running characters, purely situational cartoons, like the French one, are far more likely to fly.  Nyarlathotep 19:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I think its too bad the cartoons arn't happening here, but I don't see that changing any time soon. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

thank-you for the cartoon.
Made me laugh. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

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New Zealand government withdraws asset forfeiture bill

July 17, 2006

The New Zealand government has withdrawn its Criminal Proceeds and Instruments Bill from Parliament, putting on hold its plans to introduce a non-conviction-based asset forfeiture regime.

The bill was introduced to Parliament in June last year, and was removed from the Parliamentary Order Paper in the last week, before it had even received a first reading vote.

A spokesperson for the Minister of Justice refused to give a reason for the bill's withdrawal, saying only that there were "a couple of procedural issues that need to be dealt with".

The bill would establish a non-conviction-based asset forfeiture regime, which would allow the government to confiscate the assets of those suspected of involvement in serious crime. Suspected criminals would be required to prove on the balance of probabilities that their assets were legally acquired or else forfeit them to the crown. No criminal conviction would be required.

The scheme has attracted criticism from both sides of the House, with the Green Party calling it "an affront to the principles of justice and law", and the National Party demanding a much tougher regime. Given the stated positions of parties on the bill, the most likely reason for its withdrawal is that the government does not have a majority to pass it in its present form.


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Hooters Chairman dead at 69

July 17, 2006

Robert Brooks, chairman of Hooters of America, Inc. who was famous for opening a restaurant selling chicken wings by scantily clad waitresses, was found dead yesterday, police said. Brooks was 69 years old. An autopsy is waiting to be performed later on today.

Since opening its first store in Clearwater, Florida in 1983, the chain has expanded across the United States and into more than a dozen foreign countries. At last count, Hooters had 425 restaurants nationwide.

Brooks was named Entrepreneur of the Year by the Georgia Chamber of Commerce in 1996.

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Original reporting

IdiotSavant 04:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been following the progress of this bill for a while, and noticed that it had disappeared from the Order Paper over the weekend. The OP had just been posted (Parliament is currently in recess), and there is no mention in Hansard of the bill being sent to committee or withdrawn.
 * I called the office of Mark Burton, Minister of Justice, today seeking comment on the bill's withdrawal. Foolishly, I did not note the name of the spokesperson I talked to, but all they would say was that the bill had  "a couple of procedural issues that need to be dealt with".  They stuck to this line religiously, and would give no indication of whether the bill would be reintroduced, or when, or exactly what those "procedural issues" were.
 * Currently, NZ has a minority government, which needs to negotiate every piece of legislation through the House. There is widespread disagreement on this bill, with the Greens and Maori party (one possibly source of a government majority) believing it to be an attack on human rights, and NZ First and United Future (the other possible majority) believing that it does not go far enough.  The bill therefore is unlikely to be able to be passed in its current form.


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Teacher found murdered in New Zealand classroom

July 17, 2006

Lois Dear, a 66-year-old teacher at Strathmore Primary School, Tokoroa, has been murdered in her classroom at about noon on Sunday. She was found by two of her colleagues, lying face down. New Zealand Police say that the teacher had suffered head injuries, and her death was 'nasty'.

The police currently have no suspects.

School was supposed to return back to start term 3 but today the school was cordoned and being guarded by police while the 278 pupils got the day off.

The body was not removed from the scene until noon today, Monday 17, when it was carried off to a hearse and a karakia (Maori prayer) was performed in front of 70 people.

Staff will be offered counselling.

Ngaire Taikato, a colleague of Ms Dear, told Newstalk ZB "the school has been devastated at the killing. It will take a long time for the children at the school to get over Ms Dear's death, and a lot of counselling will be needed. Dear was never in the staff room, because she was always out with the children who loved and respected her."

The school will no longer let teachers work by themselves out of school hours, the school will introduce a buddy system, for the teachers safety. However Pat Newman, New Zealand Principals' Association president, said "schools are generally secure places where teachers can work safely on their own."

Murray Kendrick, principal of Strathmore Primary School, said "the school had had the occasional break-in but no major problems." Detective Sergeant Karl Thornton, the officer in charge of the investigation, said "It was too soon to say whether robbery could be behind the attack."


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Talk:Harvard lawyer who advises IDF asked about "rules of engagement" in 2004

The news value of this being an IDF disregard for Lebanese civilians? -Edbrown05 04:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

pov
this article is pov. at a bare minimum, it needs a rebuttal from the unidentified colonel or from an appropriate israeli authority, or failing that, a mention of israeli statements about the legality and/or rationale for its (present) actions. note that the newsworthiness of this article is only its relevence to the present conflict, and israel's view of the issues raised in the conversation as they apply to this conflict is relevent. Doldrums 06:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is almost ridiculous. It has very little relevance to the news today, except to clarity on certain RoE of the IDF. I also got the impression this meant that Israel was "planning" the attack for a long time. It's badly worded/titled and may lead to confusion. - --80.172.186.147 09:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Amazing how very much the professor remembers when the person he talked to smiled, or arched an eyebrow, even two years after the discussion. I think this article shouldn´t be on our frontpage. 84.176.33.188 11:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Agree with comments above but the person bringing this info forward has credibility. To me its similar to the story about the content of Joe Wison's op-ed article in the NYTimes (totally different topics of course). I can remember quite small details of a person's facial expressions many years after conversations when it was an important converstion; some people even have photographic memories. Likelihood of finding a second source is small although the identity of the female Colonel might be discoverable; but that wouldn't help with the objections raised above.
 * I thought about it a lot and my opinion is that the article is a good news story and falls within our boundaries; I won't remove the tag though as my opinion needs other editors' support to warrant that. Neutralizer 14:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok; I will later today provide "a mention of israeli statements about the legality and/or rationale for its (present) actions" as suggested above. Along with that will come a second source. I think this is important news because it shows the careful attention to international laws and rules of engagement which is paid by the legal advisors of major military institutions. Imo, this is quite NPOV as it can be interpreted either favourably(desire to be law abiding) or negatively(using legalities to justify extreme reactions ).Neutralizer 18:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a cartoon is in order... trouble is... there's nothing funny about it, but i'm in the mood... -Edbrown05 20:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok; I've added an Israeli government source relating Israeli pov concerning Lebanon's responsibility in this matter. Is this ok now? Neutralizer 04:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * "I think this is important news because it shows the careful attention to international laws and rules of engagement which is paid by the legal advisors of major military institutions." The following article is related: electronic intifada human rights watch article. Xarathustra 17:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

source
Article could do with a second source, as it's all based on one discussion as reported by a single newspaper. Frankie Roberto 09:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

What about copyright?
This article quotes almost verbatim whole paragraphs out of the original newspaper article, which imo cannot be argued thats it is a factual report. I wonder how this sits with wikinews policies.


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User:Zoland News Network

Islamic fundamentalists active in Northeast India says BJP

IMPHAL July 17 (Zoland News Network): The BJP zonal secretary in charge of Northeast V Satish who was in Imphal on a three-day visit to Manipur, said the international Islamic fundamental organizations sponsored by alien powers are spreading their tentacles in the Northeast.

The leader of BJP said his party will carry out anti-terrorism demonstrations throughout the country and appealed to the public join them to create awareness about the international forces inimical to India and active in the Northeast.

Expecting the general Assembly election in Manipur to be preponed, the BJP in Manipur is gearing up for the election. Satish, the zonal organizational secretary in charge of Northeast, said the party has activated membership drive and formation of primary committee, mandal committees is under way.

The BJP leader, who wound up his three-day organizational visit to Manipur, interacted with mediapersons. While condemning the 7/11 Mumbai blasts in the strongest terms, he cautioned the Central Government on the alarming growth of terrorist network across the country and the Northeast.

While taking a dig at the Congress-led SPF Govt in Manipur, the saffron leader said president rules should be imposed in the state given the deteriorating law & order situation and rampant corruption.

While answering a question on the BJP’s decision on the stand of the proscribed outfit KYKL against the existence of the party as long as Th. Chaoba remains in the party, the Northeast leader was caught off guard and chose to be diplomatic but cleverly hinted at things to come.

It maybe recalled that Th. Chaoba’s voluntary resignation from the presidentship of BJP Manipur Pradesh had not satisfied the KYKL who harbor deep grudges against the former president and is hell bent to politically assassinate him. Under the KYKL threat, the BJP had been effectively decimated in Manipur. Given the situation it would be interesting to see how long the BJP sticks to Th. Chaoba who is credited to strengthening the BJP in its formidable years in Manipur but has also proven detrimental to the party’s growth in Manipur.

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Indonesia's president visits victims of tsunami

July 21, 2006 Indonesia's President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, visited the area worst hit by the tsunami that struck the Indonesian island of Java Monday afternoon. Mr Yudhoyono toured the small town of Pangandaran meeting people who were staying in a temporary camp. Many of them are too scared to return home after the huge wave killed nearly 550 people. The tsunami was produced by an underwater earthquake with a magnitude of 7.7 on the Richter scale.

At the camp, Mr Yudhoyono told one woman to "be strong". According to a relief worker, about 3,000 people have taken refuge at the site, but only about 500 of them have lost their homes. She said people are too scared to go home because they live on the coast, a sentiment shared by one woman who told AFP: "I did not lose my home, and my husband and child are safe, but we are still traumatised by the tsunami and are too afraid to return home in case another one comes."

West Java Governor Danny Setiawan told journalists that officials are persuading people to return home, and he said a return to normality "could take five to six years".

Aid workers are working to provide relief to the 15,500 people who have been left homeless as a result of the two-meter high wave. Yesterday, 15 tonnes of rice and 1,600 boxes of instant noodles were dropped, but some residents have said government assistance is necessary for them to regain their livelihoods. One woman told Reuters, "I don’t have anything, only 5,000 rupiah (£0.30, $0.55) in my wallet. The government should give us money to buy houses and a boat."

It is estimated over 300 people are still missing, and the army and police are using helicopters, boats and mechanical diggers in the hope of recovering survivors. Lieutenant Colonel Tri Yuniarta has told his 350-strong rescue team in Pangandaran to finish collecting bodies trapped under debris by next Monday.

The Indonesian government has been criticised for failing to inform residents that a tsunami was looming. After the underwater earthquake was detected, US and Japanese agencies issued warning notices, but the government has admitted it was unable to transmit the bulletins to coastal areas. Speaking yesterday, Mr Yudhoyono vowed to hasten efforts to build an early warning system planned after the 2004 Asian tsunami. "We want to expedite efforts to get infrastructure for the tsunami warning system in place," AP quoted him as saying. "I will work with parliament to get the budget".

Survivors have described the tsunami, which struck a 200km stretch of Java's southern coast. A Belgian tourist said he was in a beach side bar when the wave hit. "I saw this big cloud of dark sea water coming up to me".

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French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin visits Beirut

July 17, 2006

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin is in Beirut today. He will be joined by Philippe Douste-Blazy, the Foreign Affairs Minister.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister ordered a second meeting about Lebanese crisis with Michèle Alliot-Marie, the French Defense Minister.

The French government also rented a 1000 seat ferry from Greece in order to begin to evacuate French and other foreign nationals from Lebanon to Cyprus. French military forces will ship medical supplies and aid to the island.

On July 13, the French Foreign Affairs department began asking French people to identify themselves to authorities and if possible to postpone any visit to Lebanon.

Finally, this meeting talked about ways to help the Lebanese people.

Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese Prime Minister, talked to the French Prime Minister on the phone on July 15 and expressed his feelings about the situation in his country.


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You can't make this stuff up. Ha!

It was announced Monday at Jumpstart which is a manditory daily meeting for all Front of House staff.

Our sign has a memorial to him.

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G8 Summit debates Middle-east crisis, WTO trade talks

July 17, 2006 The leaders of the Group of Eight (G8) nations met over the weekend in St. Petersburg in Russia for the 32nd G8 Summit, held under Russia's presidency, to discuss the ongoing Israel-Lebanon crisis, the stalled world trade talks and other issues. They also met with other world leaders, the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and World Trade Organisation chief Pascal Lamy.

Israel-Lebanon crisis
The G8 leaders issued a statement expressing "deepening concern" over the unfolding crisis as Israel and Hezbollah militants operating out of Lebanon continued their attacks which have already killed scores.

G8 Statement on the crisis
The statement called for the safe return of the captured Israeli soldiers and restraint from Israel in its military actions.

The statement said the "root cause" of the crisis was the "absence of a comprehensive Middle East peace", but "extremist elements and those that support them cannot be allowed to plunge the Middle East into chaos,".

The statement noted the rising civilian casualties on all sides and damage to infrastructure and called for an end to violence.

The statement called for the safe return of the Israeli soldiers who were abducted in Gaza and Lebanon, an end to shelling of Israeli territory, asking Hezbollah to make the first move to end the crisis.

It urged Israel to be mindful of "the strategic and humanitarian consequences of its actions" and "to exercise utmost restraint, seeking to avoid casualties among innocent civilians and damage to civilian infrastructure and to refrain from acts that would destabilize the Lebanese government." It also called for an end to Israeli military operations, withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and the release of the arrested Palestinian ministers and parliamentarians. The statement said that Israel "needs to refrain from unilateral acts that could prejudice a final settlement and agree to negotiate in good faith,".

Summit leaders express differing opinions
Speaking to reporters, the assembled leaders did demonstrate some differences in their views on the conflict.

United States President George W. Bush said on Sunday that Hezbollah and its links with Iran and Syria is a root cause of instability in the Middle East. United Kingdom Prime Minister Tony Blair said that extremists backed by Syria and Iran wanted to interrupt the [peace] process. Tony Blair suggested that he was keen to travel to the Middle-East personally in discussions with George W. Bush, but George Bush suggested that Condoleezza Rice should travel there instead.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had earlier termed Israel's actions as excessive and on Saturday said that Israel was pursuing "other, wider goals". He also told reporters that Russia has specifically insisted on dropping any reference to Syria and Iran as Hezbollah supporters in the summit declaration.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters, "We demand first that the Israeli soldiers be returned to Israel healthy, that the attacks on Israel cease, and then naturally for Israel to halt military action."

While French President Jacques Chirac said on Sunday that the G8 is calling for a ceasefire, the US Undersecretary of State for political affairs Nicholas Burns disagreed and said that there was no push for one. Chirac had also expressed "extreme reservations about the disproportionate character of the Israeli reactions," but no such language was incorporated into the G8 statement.

Call for UN action
The summit declaration called on the UN Security Council to draw up plans for implementing its resolutions UNSCR 1559 and 1680, which call for extending the Lebanese government's authority over all of Lebanon and the disarming of militias such as Hezbollah. It also suggested that the Council should look at setting up a monitoring force in Lebanon.

The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said that Security Council members would follow up on the declaration and that starting Monday, work out a detailed plan for deploying a multilateral security force in Lebanon.

Reactions from the Middle-east
Israel later welcomed the Summit statement, supporting its call for Hezbollah to free the Israeli soldiers and halt rocket fire into Israel. Israel's Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni said that the international community has "placed the responsibility for the conflict on extremist elements," and that Israel "sees the path to a solution through the release of the abducted soldiers, a cessation of rocket fire on Israel, and full implementation of (U.N.) resolution 1559,".

In initial reaction to the proposed deployment, Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisin said, "I don't think we're at that stage yet. We're at the stage where we want to be sure that Hezbollah is not deployed at our northern border,".

In an address to the nation, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora urged an immediate cease-fire and establishment of the government's sovereignty in all Lebanese territory with help from the UN. It requested humanitarian aid and called for international pressure on Israel to stop its attacks. Disclaiming prior knowledge or responsibility for Hezbollah's capture of Israeli soldiers, the Prime Minister termed Israel's actions as "collective punishment".

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei said yesterday that Hezbollah would not disarm, despite calls from the US and "Zionists" (Israel). Iran says it offers moral but not military support to the Hezbollah and has denied Israeli accusations that Iranian arms have been used in the latest conflict.

Syria spoke of a "harsh and direct" response to any attack by Israel. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said on Saturday that Syria will put its resources at the disposal of Lebanon to help cope with Israeli attacks devastating the country.

WTO Trade talks
The leaders of Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa and the World Trade Organisation chief Pascal Lamy were also present at the final session of their three-day summit.

They joined the G8 leaders in addressing the stalled negotiations in the Doha round of the WTO trade negotiations. The talks were deadlocked over US cuts on farm subsidies, the EU cuts on tariffs on farm goods and developing countries opening their markets for industrial goods and services.

Timely progress in the talks is crucial as the US president's special authority to negotiate trade deals will expire in a year.

G8 powers have asked their trade negotiators and Pascal Lamy to broker a breakthrough on the stalled talks, giving WTO members one month to revive the Doha round.

A statement released said that the G8 was "fully committed to the development dimension of ongoing WTO talks." and that "The Doha Round should deliver real cuts in tariffs, effective cuts in subsidies and real new trade flows,".

"In agriculture we are committed to substantially reducing trade-distorting domestic support and to the parallel elimination by the end of 2013 of all forms of export subsidies a well as establishment of effective disciplines on all export measures with equivalent effect as agreed in Hong Kong, the statement said.

The G8 also expressed support for Russia's entry into WTO in accordance with the rules that apply to all its members.

Assistance to Africa and other issues
While assistance to Africa was top of the agenda at last year's summit, this year it figured in the final session attended by Kofi Annan and the African Union delegation. Mr. Annan cited progress in implementing last years plans, but said much more needs to be done.

"Fourteen African countries have been given complete debt relief, eight more have had substantial debt relief. We've seen some progress in development assistance. For the first time in many years we have gone over 100 billion dollars," he said.

The formal agenda of the meeting included securing energy supplies, boosting world trade talks and addressing a standoff over Iran's nuclear ambitions. Summit leaders approved documents on education and fighting infectious diseases, discussed high world oil prices and the state of democracy in Russia and renewed a pledge to combat the AIDS crisis, though no detailed funding plan for it was agreed upon.

Bush also met with Chinese President Hu Jintao and discussed the standoff over nuclear power in Iran and nuclear weapons in North Korea.

A statement was also released reiterating the leaders' condemnation of terrorism and resolve to combat it. The leaders expressed outrage at the recent bomb blasts in Mumbai, India which killed close to 200 people.


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Doldrums 17:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * images
 * israel reaction
 * copyedit
 * expand other issues
 * what happened to all the counter-demonstrations and critics?

Great work. Do you prefer Hizbollah or Hezbollah? Not for the first time I've noticed two down there in the same article and we need general consistency one way or another. I don't object to either spelling. Ealturner 17:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * thnx. prefer hezbollah, as per WP. will zap all "hizbollahs" in article, (except those in quotes). Doldrums 17:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * done. Doldrums 17:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Could the link to China be replaced with People's Republic of China (and piped to still display as China)? 24.124.70.171 15:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC) (w:User:Politizer)

Typo
editprotected "Condoleeza" => "Condoleezza" (2 times) Van der Hoorn (talk) 14:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 21:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


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Indian Government blocks Blogger, Typepad and Geocities

July 17, 2006

The Government of India has reportedly instructed Internet Service Providers to block Blogger, Typepad and Geocities, among around twelve other domains perceived to be hosting 'radical' and 'anti-India' websites. Many Internet users in India were unable to access blogs over the weekend.

The ISPs which have complied with this alleged directive are Spectranet, Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited (MTNL), Reliance Powersurfer, Airtel Broadband and Sify, among others. Spectranet has confirmed that it has received such a directive, saying that the list of blocked sites ran into 22 pages.

As of now, there has been no official confirmation from the government in any form. Bloggers are reportedly "furious" at the action by the government and are planning collective action against the government, including filing a Right to Information request under the Right to Information Act passed in 2005.


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Sixth day of Middle East turmoil

July 17, 2006

Israel says that it stands firm on its position to strike Hezbollah and Hamas targets in Lebanon until its two kidnapped soldiers have been released from captivity. In a speech to the, Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said the country wouldn't stop its attacks until they've succeeded in "bringing home the soldiers, complete peace and quiet, removing Hezbollah from the area".

The death toll in Lebanon after six days of Israeli strikes is now over 204 people, all but 14 of whom are civilians. A further 415 have been injured. Ten people were killed while their vehicle was crossing a bridge in southern Lebanon and at least 32 more died elsewhere in the country on Monday.

Nine people, including six children, have been found dead in a house in the Lebanese town of. They had reportedly taken shelter from Israeli air raids on Sunday when their house were hit.

"What Israel has been doing is cutting the country to pieces", Lebanese PM Fouad Siniora said Monday. He also noted that the Israeli attacks had caused billions of dollars of damage for the country.

Israel attacked targets in Beirut, Tripoli, and on Monday. In the Lebanese capital Beirut, the port and its southern suburbs were bombed. Fuel and gas storage tanks were also set ablaze. A private house was hit by a missile in southern Lebanon when it missed a Hezbollah site. Eight Lebanese soldiers were killed and twelve wounded when Israeli warplanes hit Abdeh in northern Lebanon.

Meanwhile, three Israeli tanks briefly entered Lebanon, reportedly to destroy Hezbollah encampments. The Israeli army denied it was part of a large-scale invasion. The Israeli Defense Minister said earlier that the country intended to create a one-kilometer "buffer zone" inside Lebanon to try to stop missiles fired by Hezbollah.

It was claimed that an Israeli F16 fighter jet was shot down over Beirut on Monday, and there were rumours that a pilot had been captured. Lebanese television showed a flaming object falling from the sky, but Israel said it had not lost any of its planes. Later, Israeli radio speculated that Hezbollah had attempted to launch a long-range missile that malfunctioned.

Hezbollah again fired missiles at the city of and other towns in northern Israel Monday. Four people were injured in Haifa when a building partially collapsed, and six more were injured when a missile landed near a hospital in.

The Israeli air force said it destroyed a truck sitting near the Israel-Lebanon border capable of firing long-range Iranian missiles. Iran denies selling missiles to the Hezbollah.

Several countries have been evacuating their citizens from Lebanon, and French PM Dominique de Villepin is in Beirut where he held talks with his Lebanese counterpart.

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Gunmen with rocket-launchers massacre 60 at market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq

July 17, 2006

For 30 minutes, a mob of heavily-armed gunmen tore through a Shiite populated market town in Mahmoudiya, Iraq, exploding car bombs and shooting at people.

Police Capt. Rashid al-Samaraie said the assault which killed at least 60 began at 9 a.m. when mortars were fired into the town and a group of men in cars stormed a checkpoint, killing three Iraqi soldiers.

The gunmen proceeded to attack shoppers and passers-by with automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades. Some of the 50 strong attack force threw grenades into open restaurants and cafes. Two car bombs also were detonated leading to further casualties.

Local town official Sheik Bassem Anizi said he was an eyewitness to the events as they unfolded. "I saw the armed gunmen shooting randomly at the people. The terrorists wanted to send a message saying we can attack anywhere we want and kill civilians," he said. Anizi escaped the massacre by hiding behind a wall in a hardware shop.

Early reports said a total of 60 people died and about 50 people were injured.

Reaction
On hearing the news Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr removed himself from a session in Parliament along with a similar protest made by another party.

"There is collaboration by the government and there is a conspiracy by the Americans and the Sunnis to kill the Shiites," said a statement released by al-Sadr's office.

"At the time of the shooting, all the Sunni shops were closed," it said, implying a link between Sunnis and the attacks. Al-Sadr also has been accused of ordering attacks which have killed Sunnis.

In the Iraqi Parliament Sunnis suggested the massacre might have been a reply to the kidnap and killing of seven Sunnis whose remains were left in Mahmoudiya, Sunday July 16.

The US military has said Iraqi troops have arrested two and have found a cache of arms believed to be connected to the bloody attack.


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Talk:Gunmen with rocket-launchers massacre 60 at market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq

rocket launchers
the rocket-launchers do not appear to be particularly significant, to be highlighted in the title. or am i missing something? Doldrums 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * also, it's "wielding". Doldrums 18:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I take it you were 82.141.51.151 - user edited a couple of minutes before you, and I often edit before I've logged in without realising it. I've edited. I think the rocket-launchers gives an idea of the scale and brutality of the attack. Ealturner 00:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * nope, am not 82.141..., think i'm a hemisphere away. Doldrums 03:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

"Gunmen with rocket-launchers massacre 60 at market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq" I'm republishing with this. I think it is less sensationalist, more observational. Good criticisms. Apology if you think I'm going too far publishing this now but you have not made any other comments and nor has anyone else. Ealturner 00:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, just seen you move it to develop. Will give it more time. Ealturner 00:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * "I think it is less sensationalist, more observational." <- one word "LOL!". This article is so horrible, that it should be saved somewhere as a bad example. It is full of hate-speech, spelling errors, POV and rethoric. I dont think theres anything to discuss - every idiot with a bit of brain would immediatelly notice that this is plain and simply propaganda.

Please leave your ID with ~ four wiggle lines. Welcome to wikinews, it's good to have your input in this discussion.Ealturner 10:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I dont think theres anything to discuss - every idiot with a bit of brain would immediatelly notice that this is plain and simply propaganda

Can you highlight the offending passages? I am more than willing to edit. I don't want any " hate-speech, spelling errors, POV and rethoric". Ealturner 10:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Everything has been Attributed, it is all Sourced and Revelant. All the specific objections that were rasied have been both answered and dealt with (title was changed). Republishing. Ealturner 11:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


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Would you like to try this? --Carlosar 12:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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User:Mikedanko

Hi, I'm Mike, from Columbus, Ohio USA.

I've just been reading the news for a short time, so I probably need some room to grow. I've always wanted to do something like this, but doing it myself from start to finish is something I don't have time for.

I also do this because reading aloud is good exercise for your prefrontal cortex as I learned playing Brain Age.

My Info
Reporter: Mike Danko

Location: Columbus, Ohio USA

Tel/Voicemail: +1 (614) 335 - 4552

Others:
 * Skype: mikedanko
 * Freenode IRC: sk0rd
 * SIP: mikedanko@proxy01.sipphone.com
 * AIM: mrdanko

My Workflow
Reading the news and getting it uploaded can be a time consuming task at times, so to make things quicker I:

 * 1) Find a story I'd like to read
 * 2) Feed the URL into a ruby script to create the metadata
 * 3) Use Ableton Live to trigger pre-recorded clips for the intro and outtro, recording the story into a second audio channel. The Wikinews theme sits in channel 3. Various audio plugins are used to process my voice and keep levels in check.
 * 4) Run an Automator script to encode the story and store it in a good place on my laptop.
 * 5) Upload and link. The wikitext was generated at the beginning with the ruby script.
 * 6) Send an email template to the podcast email address.

In the end, I find that this method cuts about 30 minutes off my prep time.

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Re: from Mrm
Your theories amuse me. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Your allegations do not deserve a response. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 00:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have listed evidence of your breaking of WN:E. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Steps
Please do not accuse me of propogation or conspiracies. Please do not harass me as it is against WN:E. Also, your message on my talk page makes me feel harrassed, so please do not leave messages like that for me on my pages. Jason Safoutin 23:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You've been TEA'D!
The prophet of deletion has poured you some tea! — THIS IS M ESSED OCKER  (TALK) 01:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

off-site vs. on-site
International, saw your mediation request. I am not sure how useful it is to push for using off-site information on your block to pinpoint wrongdoing of others. The general setup is reasonably clear right now. Trying to hold people responsible for off-site conduct is difficult at best, and more importantly has the problem that it is not clear at all what bearing off-site conduct should have. Others have argued many times that off-site conduct should not have bearing on wikinews and I agree. In this case, the only person that you can blame is the one that implemented the block. He apologized, you accepted, so that discussion is over. I still take issue with statements by MrM that he made on-site, but that is a different story and only peripherally related to your block. I understand that you are upset based on the reasonable suspicion that your block was instigated as a retalitory action along the lines "If I get blocked, then there must have been someone else who provoked me and that needs to get blocked too -- that way at least I have an excuse but otherwise that would mean that I did something wrong." (just like the one on Karen not long ago). But really, the only person that you can blame for the block is the one who implemented it, so I would let it go and focus on other things, for example on your aticles that I usually enjoy or to reestablish the interpretation of blocking policy that people that implement blocks should have clear evidence to support the block as people have varied (understatement) opinions on this. But that's just my thoughts, and I might be wrong... --vonbergm 18:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Comments regarding your block
While I have been serving my block (self-imposed) I have not been very active in watching en.Wikinews as it's very frustrating to be unable to edit. I was not aware of your block until I read a posting on the WN:ALERT, and I have not reviewed it. If you would like, I will do so. To your specific questions, no I did not talk with MessedRocker about blocking you; I'm unsure what you mean by "propagated". I'm sorry if I can't shed any light about what happened; I'm not even sure when it happened. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 05:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I will be glad to review your block. I should point out that people ask me questions all day long; "If someone does X would it violate policy Y?" or "This image says Z, is that compatible with GFDL?" etc. I may very well have been asked a question which was related to your block, but I did not know it was about you. I will try to have a quick review for you within a few hours. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry this got delayed; today turned out to be busier than I expected. I am working on it now, however. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 00:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've reviewed the block at WN:ALERT. I really appreciate how you accepted MessedRocker's apology. Thank you. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 01:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Updates
Updating leads should only occur to replace old leads with new articles. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 19:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, according to dates, the other one was published more recently. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 19:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm no longer conversing with you on any matters. Do not attempt to contact me anymore.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 20:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. You have not communicated with other individuals when doing actions, so therefore I will not communicate with you, either.  You have reverted based on two people's opinions before, calling it a consensus over one individual - and just now, you revert over two individuals... which, by your standards, would constitute a consensus.  That is not acceptable, and until you are able to recognize these issues, I am no longer in contact with you any longer.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 20:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Lead
Sorry, I was about to put that article I moved from lead, to second.

The Super 14 semi is big news in New Zealand, the final next week could be compaired to the US superbowl :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 10:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for taking the time to vote on my RfA. Unfortunately I am not active on any other projects, but I have a good knowledge of Wikinews policies, since I have spent quite some time reading them. Perhaps the only reference I can give you is Yahoo! Answers, where I currently have 702 points. PVJ  (Talk) 02:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Relation
Are you related to Neutralizer? You seem to do everything he does...?? Jason Safoutin 22:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Original humour :/ international 22:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

re to "strange blocks"
oppose here http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Administrators#Brian_New_Zealand Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

User page
Your user page is delightfully absurd! Well done! (Yes, I mean that sincerely.) — THIS IS M ESSED OCKER  (TALK) 22:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for Review
COuld you please review http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/12_arrested_in_Canadian_counter-terrorism_operation and tell me if you think it's allright to publish? MyName 16:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Would it be allright to list them because they are listed on the RCMP's (i assume they are the ones who did the arresting) site if you click the link to their source? MyName 16:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. One more thing, how do I go about Wikifying the article? MyName 16:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for the support. I removed the names to be on the safe side, and I just got done wikifying it. I now think it's ready to publish. MyName 16:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Your Message to Me on My Talk Page
Hi. You put a message on my talk page, and I responded there. I'm too lazy to retype my response here, so, if you don't mind, please check back on my talk page. Sobar 16:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

checkuser
International, I did not read carefully through the checkuser discussion, but I had some thoughts about checkuser in general. It seems to me that a lot of the concerns w.r.t. checkuser could be alleviated if there was some transparency. One way to achieve that is that whenever a checkuser is done on a wikinews member, the member must be informed about this afterwards. While this does not do much for IPs, it does offer some protection against random checkuser queries, which is really what I am worried about. At the same time, there should be a count available that just logs the number and dates of checkuser queries launched. If there is a valid reason and good circumstantial evidence to justify a checkuser, this is a valuable tool. If checkuser queries are launched at the slightest suspicion and without keeping the number of checks as small as possible, it destroys all trust. "Assuming good faith" also applies here. --vonbergm 20:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * What worries me, (okay maybe it doesn't worry me), but if the community makes this a voting thing for who is or isn't a 'checkuser', then it creates a responsibility to the user granted access to the tool to employ it by being a cop. I don't want "sock cops" running around here right now, but I'm open to your concerns, and kind of like what vonbergm suggests as a way to monitor its use for now. -Edbrown05 07:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Chekuser idea
Heres an idea I had to perhaps resolve the chekuser issue. If someone thinks someone is a sock, they list them on the appropriate page (providing the reasons for their suspicions like they do now). They then have to wait for three other people to agree with them that the chek should be preformed before a chekuser can be preformed. If someone thinks that using chekuser would be inapropriate in the situation, they can oppose the check. one oppose takes away two supports. (so if you have one oppose, you'd need five supports to go through with it). the check users have to wait at least 12 hours before preforming the check so people will see it. Just an idea. [note: I cross posted this on user talk:vonbergm] Bawolff ☺☻ 02:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

 * IMHO the existing policies are quite good, i.e. dodn't use checkusers for stupid stuff, don't do check users without reasonable evidence, and don't do cehck users unless its an ongoing problem. More voting just makes things annoying.
 * Every checkuser which has been done, execpt for Amgines broad one, has had the required evidence. In the Amgine case, there was plenty of evidence that some accounts were Neutralizer, but he mixed in lots of obvious vandals.  If you want to make progress, I suggest that you simply examine and discuss this specific case, maybe with people who are more familiar with checkuser, like a Steward or a wikipedia checkuser.
 * Such a discussion is likely to lead to a clear & logical critisism which Craig will understand, and follow in future. But frankly I don't think any of us know enough about the foundations concerns to make such a logical critisism ourselves.  Nyarlathotep 14:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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User:Wintergreen

This page shows the list of contributions I have made to Wikinews prior to creating my user account. In general, my contributions have been merely minor typographical or grammatical corrections.

My user ID on Wikipedia is LemonJuice.

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User talk:Wintergreen

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User:Leon2323~enwikinews

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User talk:Test123~enwikinews

Where? What? --Jambalaya 20:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha! Well, I'm not a administrator or anything if that's what you think :-p --Jambalaya 20:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Briefs/July 17, 2006

The time is 21:30 (UTC) on July 17th, 2006, and this is Audio Wikinews News Briefs.

Severe tropical storm Bilis leaves 178 dead in south-east China
China

South-east China has been flooded by torrential rainstorms as the Severe Tropical Storm Bilis came ashore on Friday, July 14. The total death toll stands at 178 people but many people are missing, and the figure might rise.

Many killed by Indonesian tsunami
Indonesia

An earthquake, which measured 7.2 on the Richter scale, triggered a two-metre-high tsunami wave at 1519 local time (0819 UTC). Aid agencies are reporting that the tsunami has killed over 100 people and injured some 148 others in the town of Pangandaran in Indonesia.

G8 Summit debates Middle-east crisis, WTO trade talks
Russia

The leaders of the Group of Eight (G8) nations met over the weekend in St. Petersburg in Russia for the 32nd G8 Summit, held under Russia's presidency, to discuss the ongoing Israel-Lebanon crisis, the stalled world trade talks and other issues. They also met with other world leaders, the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and World Trade Organisation chief Pascal Lamy.

French PM in Beirut
Lebanon

French Prime Minister, Dominique de Villepin is in Beirut today. He will be joined by Philippe Douste-Blazy, the Foreign Affairs Minister.

New Zealand government withdraws asset forfeiture bill
New Zealand

The New Zealand government has withdrawn its Criminal Proceeds and Instruments Bill from Parliament, putting on hold its plans to introduce a non-conviction-based asset forfeiture regime.

Hooters Chairman dead at 69
United States

Robert Brooks, chairman of Hooters of America, Inc. who was famous for opening a restaurant selling chicken wings by scantily clad waitresses, was found dead yesterday, police said.

Teacher found murdered in New Zealand classroom
New Zealand

Lois Dear, a 66-year-old teacher at Strathmore Primary School, Tokoroa, has been murdered in her classroom at about noon on Sunday.

Closing statements
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User talk:BaskeTR~enwikinews

Hello! Please, only use Wikinews for publishing news stories. --Jambalaya 22:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Hello,

Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on Vandalism.

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Jacques Divol 23:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Dannown

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Talk:Sixth day of Middle East turmoil

lebanon source
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora address to the nation. Doldrums 04:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

bombings?
Why does the media use the word airstrikes instead of bombings?

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User:Rl6789/George H. W. Bush charged with war crimes during visit to Iceland

July 18, 2006

George H.W. Bush, former president of the United States of America has been charged with committing war crimes. Bush senior visited Iceland in the beginning of July, primarily to catch (and release) salmon. The author of the charges, Elias Davidsson, an Icelandic citizen, has written several articles in peer reviewed journals on international law. He maintains that it was the duty of the Icelandic judiciary system to arrest Bush, in keeping with conventions that the country is party to, and then put to trial or allow an international court to do so. The charges include invasion of Panama, and the conduct of US forces in the 1991 Gulf War.

Nine other Icelanders signed the charges delivered to the Icelandic authorities, but no arrest was made.

Mainstream media have not reported the story. The only known exception is the Icelandic TV News channel, NFS, and its accompanying web-site visir.is.


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User talk:Rl6789/George H. W. Bush charged with war crimes during visit to Iceland

What have been the developments since? The charges have been filed, but what about indictment? -- bullitnutz (T)/(C) 05:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Wait for more info before deletion
If this news is true, there's no reason to delete it even if the author is the one who charged Bush (we need to note that somewhere).

May be someone with wikinews Credentials could ask to Islandic ambassy before any deletion in order to now if islandic justice is taking it seriously ?

 * Thanks for giving this news piece a chance in its third incarnation here. Two times it was summarily deleted, because parts of it was said to be violating copyright, but without exlplaining how. The rest of the article could have been left in place, if need be like now with a deletion tag. I admit that the first article quoted too much of the press release, though. But the issuer of a press release will be, especially in case of politics like here, all too happy if it is cited extensively. More a question of style and perhpas NPOV than copyright.  I can see the point that people want to get this story confirmed from other sources than the leader of the group that brought the charges before Icelandic police.  I think the idea of contacting Icelandic authorities might be fruitful. Other possibilities are to contacft NFS / visir or talk to well known people that are in the same newtworks as Elias Davidsson, see below.
 * In the two first attempts at publishingh this news-item, I put in the follwing URL from Free Market News as a reference, to show that another source than "radical /anti-war" news sites and a major Icelandic broadcaster had brought the story, but then some admin found that my text was breaching copyright, solely for referring to that publication, it seems.   http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=16209

 * Some other references / URLs are :
 * http://www.brusselstribunal.org/Lawsuits.htm
 * http://www.brusselstribunal.org/index.htm ( Some of the "brothers in faith" of Elias Davidsson  - a rather impressive list, in a way )
 * http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/criminal-charges-filed-against-george-hw-bush-sr-in-iceland

 * As to allegations that Elias Davidsson is only interested in promoting himself, or as the deletion notice says "obvious vanity cruft", I have missed the arguments supporting that notion. If vanity is your game there are much easier ways, to boost it. Elias Davidsson is, I guess, a genuine peace activist and an intellectual.
 * Here is an article of his, on a site hosted by a man who has been working extensively for the UN Michel Chossudovsky: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/DAV401A.html   Also the following could be worth checking out: http://cilp.nellco.org/cilp/doc_server.cfm?filepath=2003/cilp1107.pdf (search for Elias ). An then :  http://www.aldeilis.net/price.html    Perhaps Noam Chomsky would be willing to "vouch" for Elias Davidsson ?

 * Regarding whether Icelandic authorities take this seriously, I would guess that some of the persons working for the authorities recognise that the charges are real, based on knowledge of international law, and might warrant closer scrutiny. But  although Iceland's relations with US are a bit tense now, after they withdrew from the military base at Keflavik, a bit abruptly, I think Icelandic authorities value the "friendship" with the US highly, and will not risk a conflict. The charges will not lead to a trial, and besides, George H. W. Bush has left the country several days ago, so they are obviously not going to arrest him, and so there is "no point" in indictment.  --Rl6789 00:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Icelandic source
Is there an English translation (or version) available for the Icelandic source? --R2b2 00:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No translation available, and with discussion about copyright in fresh memory, I will not post a translation here :-) I'll  chance relating the main points though : The news item says that Davidsson has done a meticulous work in writing the document, and that he is a self-educated specialist in international law that gets invited to international conferences, and has published in international journals. His opinion, based on this expertise, is that Iceland had an obligation to arrest Bush while in Iceland and keep him in the country while the charges would be investigated. Alternatively he would be sent to another country where investigations and trials would take place. I guess that the Hague would be one of the places that he has in mind. --Rl6789 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Bush family's wealth seizable?
These articles indicate the Bush family fortune was made by financing/supplying Hitler as well as through use of concentration camp labour. "The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war." Would these be useful as background?

Neutralizer 02:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Delete it Until better Source
This article has no source. It is apparently vanity cruft. Until there is confirmation from an actual news source, it should remain deleted. The autor cites himself as a source. What could be worse than that? Jehochman 04:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed the speedy delete flag as I don't think (from my reading) that it meets the speedy delete guidelines (there is a source - it may not necessarily be a good one but...) If you think it should be deleted, I suggest that a delete request be made so that it can be fully discussed and decided on once and for all... --R2b2 04:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Which author cites himself as a source ? The author of the wikinews article is not the same person as the tertiary  person in the news-story, the person who penned the charges against Bush sr.  But on the internet such things are of course often very diffucult to prove..  --Rl6789 01:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Userfied
Until independent sources can be established, I'll be treating this article as an editorial. As such, I have userfied it to the original writer's user space. —     06:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Please be guided by WN:NOT
According to WN:NOT item 5 : "Wikinews is not a theater of war. Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. Do not insult, harass or intimidate those with whom you have a disagreement. Rather, approach the matter in an intelligent manner, and engage in polite discussion. Do not create or edit articles just to prove a point." I must say I fell these prociples have been broken by certain editors. I also have serious doubts that such stringency is the norm. I shall admit that I am new to Wikinews though. --Rl6789 01:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Independent sources
Those of you that want independent sources, can you bring forward some constructive suggestions ? What are the criteria for independent sources ? Must they be mainstream media and must they be in English ?

Working accordin to the criteria, will anyone be willing to put some effort into checking with Icelandic authorities ? Should I, or others go to the water cooler and ask for assistance there ?

Or contacting some of the networks or well-known persons mentioned earlier ? Or call the Icelandic news outlet and ask for an official translation, or better a follow-up article in English ? Or contact a techer of Icelandic and ask for a translation. Such approaches seem to be the only way forward. The main stream media will not publish the news because the news do "not fit" with their view of the world. If the news can be thus confirmed the story potentially could be little scoop for Wikinews, I'd think ?

And of course this is not only about this particular news item, but about the fact that some news are deemed "unfit" by mainstream media. In my mind, making this mainstream media barrier easier to transcend, could be one of the main assets / missions of Wikinews. --Rl6789 01:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Another twist to the story, to meet critique ?
I came to think of how it was for instance when Bush and Blair said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Very difficult to get independent sources. But of course it is/was newsworthy, and the news can be published without checking the facts by not asserting that Iraq has WMD, but asserting that those two leaders/administrations claim that ... In the same way, the news here could be "Icelandic group claims to have charged Bush sr. with war crimes". or if you will/insist : "Icelandic citizen claims,,,"   --Rl6789 01:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


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User talk:Bullitnutz~enwikinews

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Poll finds support for Australian PM

July 18, 2006

In the latest Newspoll to be released by "The Australian" newspaper Australian Prime Minister John Howard has been favoured by the majority of those polled in the leadership tension with Deputy PM Peter Costello. Mr Howard polled 66% support (up 4% from April) compared to Mr Costello with 20% (Down 4% from April). Coalition voters polled stronger support for Howard than non-coalitoin voters (88% for Mr Howard to 10% to Mr Costello). Mr Howard leads the opposition leader Kim Beazley 53% to 27%- down from 56% to 25% in April. Nevertheless the Labor Party, led by Mr Beazley, was ahead of the Coalition 52% to 48% on a two party preferred basis indicating a that Labor may win an election should Mr Howard choose to step down as PM as Mr Beazley retains a 44% to 33% lead over the Deputy PM in the poll.

In the same poll, 35% of those surveyed believed Mr Howard's version of the alleged "Leadership deal" meeting, and 65% believe Mr Costello.

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Commerce Commission fines BNZ $5 million

July 18, 2006

The New Zealand Commerce Commission has fined the Bank of New Zealand (BNZ). It has been forced to pay NZ$5 million in compensation to its customers, $500,000 in fines and $80,000 in costs to the Commerce Commission. The money will be placed into a bank account to be monitored by an auditor, and if there is any money left over it will be donated to a consumer organization.

BNZ has been forced to pay these fines for failing to disclose that they were charging their customers for the exchange of foreign currency during February, 2002 until May, 2004 on its credit and debit cards, which is a breach of the Fair Trading Act. They pleaded guilty to 21 counts of breaching the act. The BNZ say that they will contact their affected customers and that they should get their compensation by November this year. The bank is responsible for contacting all their customers.

The BNZ is the third bank to be charged, the two others were ANZ and the National Bank, which were charged $11.325 million combined as they had since become a single company.

There are still other ongoing prosecutions on these other financial services: Westpac, ASB, TSB, American Express, Diners Club and The Warehouse Financial Services. The Commission would not comment on these cases.

Paula Rebsotck, Commerce Commission Chairperson, said "the result was a victory for New Zealand consumers, many of whom would have unknowingly paid the currency transaction charges. While fees like these remain hidden, banks have no incentive to offer lower fees."


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Commerce Commission press release


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Discovery lands at Kennedy Space Center

July 18, 2006

Space shuttle Discovery landed at Cape Canaveral at 9:14 a.m. (1314 UTC) yesterday. It returned after a thirteen day mission to the International Space Station (ISS).

The mission was used to provide thousands of pounds of supplies to the ISS and brought thousands of pounds of trash and discarded equipment back to Earth.

The shuttle, which was orbiting the Earth with the engine facing forward, fired the engines briefly to slow down and begin the descent, flipping its nose forward to prepare for the landing.

As Discovery descended into the atmosphere, parts of the shuttle's outer surfaces were heated to temperatures of about 3000°F (1650°C). The shuttle executed a series of computer controlled S curves to slow down to the landing speed.

The shuttle neared the landing strip at an angle 7 times steeper and a speed 20 times faster than a commercial aircraft.

The space shuttle was welcomed by hoots and whistles from the few hundred astronauts' relatives and space center workers as it landed on the 3 mile (4.8 kilometre) long runway

"It was a fun entry — it was beautiful," radioed mission commander Colonel Lindsey as he prepared to leave the shuttle.

"Just because we’re going to be back to flight doesn't mean we're going to change the way we're operating," he said. "We're going to be very careful, very cautious, look at everything — and we'll leave no stone unturned as we continue with this program."

This is the second space shuttle flight since the Columbia disaster.

A further 16 shuttle missions are scheduled for completing the space station before the fleet is retired in 2010.

“This shows that with appropriate care and vigilance, the odds of operating the shuttle with acceptable risk are good,” said John M. Logsdon, the director of the space policy institute at George Washington University.

“It doesn’t mean the shuttle is safe,” he added. “The shuttle will remain a very risky vehicle, to be operated with extreme care.”

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Talk:Discovery lands at Kennedy Space Center

a good news ! Jacques Divol 10:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

the date (17 July 2006) is right
The article date is date of publication not date of the event so i revert to 18.

Please read this :http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Style_guide#Using_the_Date_and_Dateline_templates

a detail

Jacques Divol 15:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Please refer to Jacques' comment above, the date of the article does not need to match the date of the event. It is very important not to post-date an article as a secondary function of wikinews is to serve as an archive of what was known at the time. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Pagemovery
I'm pretty sure that it's Kennedy Space Center, being in the U.S., etc... 68.39.174.238 03:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


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Light aircraft makes emergency landing in major industrial estate

July 18, 2006

BBC Wales and iPTV station VTV are reporting that a light aircraft made an emergency landing at 13:00 BST at Treforest Industrial Estate near Cardiff.

The aircraft, an orange-coloured single-engine model Fox home-built kit was carrying two people when it made a forced landing on a section of dual carriageway within the industrial estate.

It is not known how severely the man and woman on board were injured, a spokesperson for South Wales Police stated that both of the aircraft's occupants sustained "non life-threatening injuries".

Treforest Industrial Estate is one of the largest business parks in the south Wales valleys. Its location, just two hundred metres from the main A470 expressway could have resulted in a far greater tragedy.

VTV reporter and private pilot Craig Handley said that the location of the accident "would have been the most logical place to try and set the aircraft down as the dual carriageway, which runs through the estate, is clearly visible from the air and is almost completely straight and wide."

Today's accident comes less than a year after a similar-sized aircraft was forced to make an emergency landing less than two miles away from Treforest Industrial Estate. A Cessna 150 suffered a sudden loss of engine power during its approach to nearby Cardiff International Airport.

The Cessna in the earlier accident collided with a group of trees shedding its wings before coming to rest on a small country road. The two occupants of that aircraft received slight injuries.

South Wales Police have not confirmed whether any motorists or pedestrians were injured when the aircraft in today's accident made its emergency landing. The aircraft did cause some structural damage to a factory unit on the industrial estate prior to coming to rest, inverted, on the adjacent dual carriageway.

According to one eyewitness, the aircraft appeared to have experienced an engine-related problem seconds before impact.

A spokesperson, for Cardiff International Airport said that the aircraft had departed from Cardiff at 12:43 BST and that the airport's Air Traffic Control centre had lost contact with the plane.

The Civil Aviation Authority's Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) have been informed and are due to begin their investigation into the crash.


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Welcome!

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