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Talk:Crocodile Hunter's Steve Irwin dies at 44

Thank God that someone removed the "message" from the article. Come on guys, show some respect - this man is dead !!!

Please keep mourning here
Since the function of an article's talk page is to assist in development of the article, then technically the mourning shouldn't be on this page. However, I'd rather have it here than on the article, so please restrict any mourning posts to this section. —     09:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we need to keep this page clear of that offside info/chatter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Steve_Irwin has the same bit of notice for no off-topic discussions. --Bctrainers 14:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Aww, I loved that guy when I was a kid. :) 72.201.35.139 07:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This is so sad. He used to be my hero!

I would like to pass on our condolenses to Steves family, Steves passing is a great loss, we felt that we knew him personnally due to his great enthusiasum for life and nature, he always encaptured us with this enthuisasum and made us laugh. May he rest in peace. The Fishers. England. Was originally at its own page — was moved here by Messedrocker.

I mourn the loss of another human to senseless things like this. However I think the hype over the loss of "a national hero" and other similar references needs to be put in perspective. Steve Irwin certainly did great things for entertainment, but the presentation to the world of the stereotype Aussie, not all that bright and uttering the word "crikey" every couple of sentences, cannot be forgiven. This type of coverage denegrated us all. It is a shame that news like this can be rated alongside stories of a peace deal between Israel and Lebanon. Steve's story gets almost twice the length of this other valuable and important story. Farewell Stephen Irwin, and may you enjoy the large crocodile swamps of the afterlife. We mourn your loss. Unsigned comment by Micmac.

08:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)08:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)~I ABSOLUTLY LIKED HIM N ITZ SAD HE DIES

RIP Stephen Robert "Steve" Irwin 08:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)08:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I feel strongly for Steve's death, but it also upsets me the dominance of CNN used in the writing of these articles. Really, Australian news sources have written at least 10 articles per source (www.thecouriermail.news.com.au, news.com.au, theage.com.au) and yet people still resort to CNN as a resource - which has blatantly copied sentences from articles written in Australia by Australians. You CAN use work written here you know - it's not like it's written in another language, even though at times it seemed that Irwin did talk in a different one.
 * It may be that you're not aware of the concept of a wiki. Please feel free to insert your own sources, write your own content, and perhaps even address your own concerns. As they say, "easier said than done," editors will use the resources they have readily available and easily accessable. irid:t 11:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, it is good to use varying sources so you get viewpoints from different parts of the world. Although, it should be noted that six of the ten sources are Australian. —     11:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am aware of the concept of a wiki, thank you very much. Just saying - and I've seen it in so many news blogs too - that everyone seems to rely on CNN with some people even saying they heard it but couldn't believe it until they saw it on a certain news source - especially CNN. It's just disappointing, that's all. And no offence, but it's the INTERNET and all sources are readily available and accessible, including ones from Australian (even though we're so exotic and may not have internet or newspapers zomg!).
 * We need to stop arguing about the article, this section is for remembering and mourning a great man, who did a lot for the animals of the world, and loved what he did. May he rest in peace--Aaron

...Wow. I... can't believe it. I always thought he would be killed by a crocodile... Again, wow. tinlv7

Hi. I think that steve Irwin did NOT deserve to die! He was such a great man that has brought Australia onto the map in many places. Do you agree with what I reckon? Please say something!!!! Signed--149.135.22.66 10:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I will miss you Steve. You were a great man, and had a huge influence on my life. This was so unexpected, and so soon. But, i guess you went down doing what you love. And that is what makes you great. 24.76.121.213 20:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Shaun

this cant be happening
 * He was a brave man who died doing what he loved. May he rest in peace. PVJ(Talk)[[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 17:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * May Steve rest in peace. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  17:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Hearing about Steve's death has made me think we should leave some comments here. Please no rude comments, or anything bad. It just isnt the time. When i heard of Steve's death i was sadened. I have watched loads of his programs and even though he is really mad i still love watching him. It is a great shame that we won't be able to see him on TV anymore. RIP Steave Irwin. Crocs Rule!!!!

PUES MIS CONDOLENCIAS A SU ESPOSA E HIJOS TODO EL MUNDO CONOCIA A TRYECTORIA DE EL Y SU ESPOSAS AUN SIN CONOCERLES PERSONALMENTE SE LES APRECIA Y SE SIENTE PROFUNDAMENTE LA PERDIDA DE SU ESPOSO, TIENE Q SER FUERTE POR SUS HIJOS Y COMO ALGO MUY DENTRO DE SER DESEO DECIRLE QUE TODOS VALORAMOS, APRECIAMOS, ADMIRAMOS SU TRABAJO, PERO AHORA TIENE QUE PENSAR EN SUS HIJOS YA NO SIGA TRABAJANDO, NI CORRIENDO RIEZGOS, DE VERDAD LO SIENTO MUCHO, QUE JEHOVA LE DE FORTALEZA NECESARIA MUY SINCERAMENTE.

JANE KLUSSMANN DE GUATEMALA (klsjane@hotmail.com) NO SE INGLES, MAS ESPERO EN LO PROFUNDO DE MI CORAZON LE LLEGUE ESTE MENSAJE

LE ENVIO MI MAS PROFUNDO RESPETO Y MI SINCERO PESAR

As the last weekend of the school holidays we took our family away for the weekend to a coastal holiday park. On Sunday evening in the family entertainment room I took my youngest daughter aged 8 to buy a souvenier. The shop was filled with the standard gaudy material of sweets, sticks & hats that light up and play toys. I declined her first chosen item ( a 100cm crocodile) and agreed to purchase a smaller crocodile. How surreal this choice felt on monday morning when we watched the news reporting on Steve Irwins sudden demise. My family has watched his programmes & bought his film. Yesterday my daughter handed me a letter to post to Terri Irwin which expressed her loss & sincere thanks to this man who has brought wildlife into our home with realism & humour. At her first day of school in year 4 she spoke at length about Steve Irwin the Crocodile Hunter and his friend Nigel Marvin. It makes me appreciate that with all the bad press associated with media and television I am grateful to this presenter for having entered my daughters heart & mind. And each time she brings me a frog, grasshopper, or spider showing no fear but only inquisituve admiration for nature I shall disguise my abomination and smile when she shouts "crikey what a beauty"

Out of all the things he "played" with over the years, a friggin stingray got him. Thats like a slap in the face to have died to something that is not normally a life-endangering animal.

You will be missed Steve, we all appreciated all you did for nature during your years here.

Thanks for all the memories.

boxes boxes
the australia news box and the image together screws up text layout of the lead paragraph. Doldrums 07:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bob
Is Bob (his son) 2 or 3 because in the SMH article linked it says 3 but this article says 2.211.27.204.97 08:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bob was born on December 1, 2003, making him currently 2 but will be 3 this winter. —     09:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Redirect
Fixed discussion redirect. 24.132.66.160 11:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You guys are ignorants
I can't believe how frustrated you are with a few funny catchfrazes Steve used. All those who accuse him of promoting a wrong image of Australia abroad are very wrong. Any sain person from abroad ( I am not Australian, nor am i living in australia, so I have an objective vision over the matter) could make a distinction between the australian rather developed culture, and a few expressions that Steve used. You probably think that he made people think of the aussies as some sweaty mates from down under saying:"let's put another shrimp on the barbie", but you are so wrong. You frustrated eunucs should pay some respect to one of Australia's best. What he did for wildlife and people altogether in your country and the world should be more then enough to earn him your respect. We love you Steve, you ARE a real hero to us all.

 * Off topic. But you could have used a spell checking tool before posting.

You say we're ignorant? Look at the title of your post.

IW:ca
Please add Mor Steve Irwin, el caçador de cocodrils, is a catalan IW. In this moment I can't. Thank's you!

Hey your calling us ignorant australians have you even met an australian before what country are you from. Get a life. and you need to go back to grade 2 and learn how to spell properly. i mean i was a great fan of steve Irwin he was a great guy he was my hero, and what people say on this site shouldn't be critisized especially from an outsider that does't even live in this country. get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.121.85 (talk) 01:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

WP vandalism
Not notable. It should be removed - vandalism always occurs to current event topics, no matter what they may be. --66.227.194.89 15:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I hardly think so, several Australian Newspapers saw fit to write about it! What you say is true many current event articles arte vandalised BUT I have yet to see many newspaper reports aboyut it!! Finaly it is topical news and hardly brings the article down, it is a nice balance to the article which is currently very gushing and POV (rightly so). I could bang on about no mention of some of the controversy surrounding him in the recent past but I wont!!! The WP bit nicely complements the 'gush' without talking ill of the dead.... Im putting it back for now - lets see what others think --Errant 18:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is in the news.  F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  18:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not news. Wikipedia is vandalised every second of every day. It is nothing unusual. We should avoid, in order to avoide the appearance of self-promotion, writing about our sister projects. --Chiacomo (talk) 02:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Jason Safoutin 02:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove the section - if you really want something mentioned then mention what the paper says, not just that it was vandalised.203.208.65.209 02:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sigh so much for balance - I was very tempted just now to put in the couple of bits around about all his controversy. That wouldnt be so nice!! :D ah well --Errant 02:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Title
Title's grammar is horrible. I think the title should be changed, appropriately, to "Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin dead at 44".142.176.114.226 04:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The use of the posessive apostrophe in the title was to show that he is part of the show The Crocodile Hunter. —     04:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but I think he was known more for what he did than the name of one of his TV shows. It appears to be poor grammer to those who aren't familiar with the name of the show.  The above mentioned title would be better.  --User:Kalmia 06:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I think Kalmia might be right. A TV program cant use the possesive surely :D! --Errant 09:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok scratch that it doesnt break any grammar laws but it can be mis-leading. I was of the impression his nickname was the corcodile hunter; so you can imagine how it read. I dont think it needs changing now though... --Errant 09:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How about "Steve Irwin teases one deadly animal too many"? Don't get your panties in a bunch, the guy had a sense of humour, he would have chuckled at that epitaph. TRWBW 10:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ;-) --Errant 10:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

MySpace bulletin
"On MySpace, there is a bulletin in circulation that asks people to sign their name in honor of Steve Irwin. Note that the bulletin linked to may not feature the latest changes."  Who gives a shit about a MySpace bulletin? And a link that doesn't seem to work?

Edited the passage out, listed as non-notable. 71.99.120.11 03:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Public Memorial Service
I just read at http://www.bindiirwin.com that the memorial service will be at the Crocoseum in Australia Zoo.

Interwikilinks
Please to add sr:Погинуо Стив Ирвин - "ловац на крокодиле". --Trek00 06:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC) ✅


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Former South African apartheid regime's police minister repents

September 4, 2006

Adriaan Vlok, the former South African apartheid regime's police minister, went to Reverend and director-general Frank Chikane's church in Soweto on Sunday, the 3rd of September to repent. This follows his recent apology on the 3rd of August, 2006, which was described by some as "a miracle" that has had global impact.

Apology
Vlok and Chikane met privately on the 3rd of August, 2006. As part of the apology, Vlok washed the feet of Reverend Frank Chikane. As an ordained minister, Chikane has preached at the small church in Naledi, Soweto, for 16 years. It allegedly took Vlok two months to convince Chikane to meet him and hear his apology.

Chikane said he accepted the apology, during which Vlok admitted to atrocities committed during the apartheid era.

"I am sorry for what you had to suffer"
Vlok, who is described by some sources as "one of the most evil men that apartheid created" called Chikane's congregation his "brothers and sisters" and telling them, "I feel your pain," and "I am sorry for what you had to suffer." "We were fighting here in Soweto. It was a war. But today we're coming here to pray."

Vlok admitted that he used to "hate your pastor [Chikane]" and that "[they] were fighting each other with guns, hand grenades and poison". Vlok also said "I thank God for letting me not succeed in killing you."

Death of his wife
Vlok described his wife's suicide in 1994 as the defining point in his life.

"It took me 12 years, after the government changed, to come to this point. I had to rid myself of my own pride, my egotism and selfishness," he said. "I don't represent anyone else because I stand before the Lord alone."

Vlok was seated in the front row next to Chikane's wife. At one point he stood and clapped along to a gospel song in the packed church. When he was introduced, he joked by saying: "You can't give a microphone to an old polititian and expect him to speak for only a minute. It's not possible."

Chikane's memories of Adriaan Vlok
Reverend Frank Chikane spoke of how he kept a small plastic bag with a toothbrush and toothpaste, expecting to be detained. He recalled how his mother had been driven around Soweto by police who were hunting for his younger brother, with instructions to "shoot on sight".

He described today's South Africa as "a new country in an old country," and, "a country of peace." Chikane is still seeking accountability from those who tried to kill him in the late 1980s by lacing his clothes with poison.

Chikane maintained that the apology was sincere and said that: "The fact that Mr. Vlok has come to make a confession to me and is here with us today is a miracle," and, "It is the talk of the town ... Some people have told me it's profoundly historical."


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Crocodile Hunter's Steve Irwin dies at 44
Thank you very much for your contributions! I noticed that you mentioned a news conference with Steve Irwin's friend... do you have a source for that? —     08:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:US soldier arrested for rape and four murders in Iraq/Archive 02

Reaction quote

 * //A Baghdad resident, Hussein al-Shimmari, said that the incident exposed the barbaric and aggressive nature of Americans. He urged his countrymen to revolt against the American occupiers. He also mentioned that this incident highlighted the false democracy of the U.S, which is currently engaged in a "battle for the hearts and minds (of the Iraqi people)".//

I object to this quote on the grounds it is not NPOV. I don't object to a "reaction quote" but to any event there are multiple reactions. A neutral point of view news source would not preference any one reaction. The fact the quoted individual is not directly related to the murdered family or area where the crime happened counts against it as a "reaction quote." Ealturner 13:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * (title of my post should read reporting on POV is not NPOV) You're going to be hard pressed to find any 'equal but opposite' type quotes, I think, and any more moderately expressed opinions can be added in as they come along. In my opinion, it is not unreasonable to report on the expression of strongly worded opinions that must exist in the wake of this incident.--Birdmessenger 13:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Not only is it preference to one view - that in view of numbers of Iraqis who voted in recent elections might not be the majority view - it is from a man who had no relation to the murdered family or area where the crime happened. That quote from that source is not relevant. Ealturner 13:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Here's the only part of the source that's a reaction (that directly relates to this story) in my opinion - This act reveal the false democracy of the Americans and sows the Americans' barbarism and aggressive nature,” said Hussein al-Shimmari, a Bagdad resident. The reason I'd be interested in reading this in the story is that there's no other reaction quotes from anyone in Iraq in the sources. If you object on the grounds that there's no quote from anyone from the U.S. perspective, I can understand that. I agree with Birdmessenger on this point.

 * The rest (He urged his countrymen to revolt against the American occupiers. He also mentioned that this incident highlighted the false democracy of the U.S, which is currently engaged in a "battle for the hearts and minds (of the Iraqi people)".) should be struck for being a bit too far off topic. Karen 14:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This sounds reasonable to me.--Birdmessenger 14:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * After trying unsuccessfully to resolve this issue through "discussion", I have realised that there is no point in wasting my time trying to reason with certain editors. That the world is aware of the truth of these incidents and others like them is apparent when one sees flags being trod on by livestock, aeroplanes being crashed into buildings or effigies being burnt in streets world over. One or two phrases being concealed in a Wikinews (which is, quite frankly, not the most widely read news-source) article will not change this fact. This dispute, however, has deeply saddened me and has ratherly abruptly reminded me that not even Wikinews can be truly neutral in its point of view at all times. I have also had to rethink whether or not there is, in fact, any good reason left for me to contribute here. As such, many valuable editors have been driven to leaving Wikinews in the recent past, and I fear that I too may soon become thus disheartened, even though I was always optimistic about this project. It is for this reason that I have decided to back out of this "discussion" and revaluate whether or not it would be wise for me to continue contributing to Wikinews. As I said however, the truth cannot be hidden from the world and the outcome of this discussion will have no effect on that fundamental fact. PVJ [[Image:Flag of India.svg|25px]] (Talk)(Opinions) 14:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * This act reveal the false democracy of the Americans and shows the Americans' barbarism and aggressive nature,” said Hussein al-Shimmari, a Baghdad resident. The quote makes a number of POV accusations

Coupled with the fact the man is not related to the incident by place of residence or birth ties I find the quote unacceptable in the context of the news piece. Ealturner 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) False democracy
 * 2) Barbarism and aggressive nature (also racist?)

 * He is an Iraqi commenting on an incident with national significance. He's not editing a wiki article. Not to be dismissive, but if a quote illustrates popular opinion (of which there are more than one) does it matter if he is "POV"?--Birdmessenger 14:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's going to be as clear to the reader as it is to the Iraqis in general who feel this is not an action supported by the Americans. The fact that the man is being charged by the U.S. government is proof of that. The quote could be from an insurgent, but it's attributed. The obligation of NPOV is to attribute and present what's known from every side.Karen 14:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

To respond to PVJ - if you do not first try reason, your only option is to quit or fight without discussion. You should always be re-thinking your role and point of view when contributing. I appreciate all your effort to bring your opinion. You (and all of us to some extent) are biased and it's not easy to find neutral perspective - that's why the more people here in discussion, the more likely the perspective of only a few people won't bias the whole process. Karen 14:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Having stated that, can we try to attract more contributers here for the discussion? In the meantime, can we remove the quote and source until there's a consenses to add it? That way we can put the story back into circulation. Karen 14:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not against vox pop but quoting this one man would be disingenuous. The fact he does not live near the crime scene and is not related to the victims gives the reader the impression it is the opinion of the "average Iraqi" about the incident. This is unacceptable point of view. A terrible crime was committed. If you would like to link it to US occupation I would suggest replacing that quote with the Iraqi PM's recent statement July 7. "We believe that the immunity given to members of coalition forces encouraged them to commit such crimes in cold blood (and) that makes it necessary to review it," al-Maliki said during a visit to Kuwait. This would be relevant. Ealturner 14:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Karen 100% on this point ; if someone wants to add an opposing "vox pop" opinion, that's ok too, but in the meantime, this one should go in.Neutralizer 14:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC

 * I doubt you agree with me 100% Why not remove the al-Shimmari quote and replace it with what Ealturner quoted above? We don't have access to poll the Iraqi people, but we can allow the prime minister to substitute. I can agree with that because it would be more relevant than one person who got the ear of someone to report for Timesnow. I'm not adverse to including both quotes (or even more should we find sources), but clearly the the al-Shimmari quote is biased and shouldn't appear to represent the only opinion in the story. Karen 14:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * To respond to PVJ - if you do not first try reason, your only option is to quit or fight without discussion. You should always be re-thinking your role and point of view when contributing. I appreciate all your effort to bring your opinion. You (and all of us to some extent) are biased and it's not easy to find neutral perspective - that's why the more people here in discussion, the more likely the perspective of only a few people won't bias the whole process.

It is not, Karen, a matter of quitting. Had I the desire to do so, I could continue trying to resolve this dispute. But when it is so clear that a compromise will not be agreed to by certain editors, I must put this issue into perspective and think about whether it is worthwhile for me to spend so much time in trying to represent the truth in this article when the latter cannot, as I said, be hidden irrespective of whether or not it appears in this article. As such we must both realise that, frankly, there does exist a considerable amount of systemic bias here and it is not easy to go against that bias. As such, we were reminded of that fact when the victim's age was concealed in the article's title. So, I think it better to opt out of this discussion and concentrate on more productive pursuits. PVJ  (Talk)(Opinions) 14:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not adverse to having the al-Shimmari quote in the story, but if it's going to cause the story to remain in development, pull it now. I'll highlight where I said that above. Karen 15:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * PVJ, the problem with leaving a discussion is it rewards a non-collaborative and pushy approach (the rest eventually give up and go away) note; I am not saying anyone is being that way re; this article. I think the key is to stick with the collaboration but not get emotional and remember we each have 1 mouth and 2 ears; I am trying to do this myself. I agree 100% :) with Karen's suggestion above about including the prime minister's quote. Neutralizer 14:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_legislative_election%2C_December_2005

Karen, that quote alters the tone of the article. The 79% turn out at the last vote does not "false democracy" while the barbarism and aggressive nature bit sounds like racism. I would not use it unless there was a voice as a balance and there isn't such a quote. I hope my suggestion to use the Iraqi PM's quote is seen as a constructive one. I understand the desire to put this crime in a larger perspective of the occupation. I think that quote does it while not being POV. Well, it is POV but the PM says "we believe." I could go with that to reach concensus.Ealturner 14:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Please leave four ~ wiggly lines so we know who you are. Thanks for posting! 14:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * My shoe size was concealed in the story's headline. There's a conflict in the reported age, so it should not be in the headline. Yes, you'll have to convince a few people. But if you can't compromise between your point of view and getting a story published, then it's best to state your opinion and see how the consensus goes. I'm trying to stay neutral - I sometimes vaguely side with you, PVJ, and other times with Birdmessenger, Ealturner, Deprifry, and Doldrums. I don't trust myself with deciding the correct point of view for a story, so I require the input of a lot of people - and agree with them on a point-by-point basis. Karen 15:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * And just now I'll agree with what Neutralizer is saying. I'm upset you'd complain that something was left from the headline because of bias - no, it's because of conflicting reports. I've stated my opinion, so I'll sit back now and hope action comes from all of this discussion. Karen 15:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ealturner, I'm still not adverse to the section of the quote being used. You'll have to bring in more experienced contributers to convince me. I'm also not adverse to leaving it out. I'm most adverse to lack of action and stalling (or even reversing) the status of a story. Karen 15:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Karen, thank you for your mediation in this discussion. You have been very level headed. IMO edits can be made that makes a publishable story unpublishable so I am suprised that you would term such reversions under one blanket term, such as "stalling". Re: the quote I understand why people want it in. I just don't think the vox pop of that one person in Baghdad is NPOV. If you can quote a neighbour or the uncle saying something similar that to my mind would be a reaction quote. Ealturner 15:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Karen, you want more experienced contributors. Would you agree Deprifry is one? PVJ59 said he was "not mentally capable," twice, above. Until PVJ59 apologises properly for his flame I would personally be surprised to see him back in here. Ealturner 15:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd be in the "not be mentally capable" category by PVJ's standards. While I can see the connection, there's not specific relevance of this story to a book cover (The entry says it can only be used for discussion of the book) or the painting on a wall. We're past that part - this is no longer about the images. Deprifry's absence illustrates Neutralizer's point.

 * PVJ has been shown to be biased. The remaining members of the discussion just have to take into account that bias and continue. Now, can you just work in the prime minister's quote and take the story out of development? It doesn't have to go into development just to add another quote (should several opposing quotes be sourced and later included). This story is a good example of pushy edits. It may take a lot of discussion and disagreements may not all be resolved, but at least a story can be published. Karen 15:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I wrote this under the heading "Reaction"

//The news of the killings and rape was met with a wave of anger in parts of Iraq and the Iraqi government directed at the nature of the current US military presence. "We believe that the immunity given to members of coalition forces encouraged them to commit such crimes in cold blood (and) that makes it necessary to review it," was the opinion of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki during a visit to Kuwait, July 7.

A Baghdad resident, Hussein al-Shimmari, said that the incident exposed the barbaric and aggressive nature of Americans." The turnout for the December 2005 legislative election was 79 per cent and the Americans themselves claim they are in Iraq to help the goverment protect its democracy.// I got in your quote but for NPOV we had to note US intentions and the December elections. Ealturner 15:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I left the POV tag for someone else to remove, demonstrating concensus. Ealturner 15:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If the part about "false democracy" was removed, why mention that "[t]he turnout for the December 2005 legislative election was 79 per cent"?--Birdmessenger 15:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * You're right, that's irrelevent now. My mistake. Also quote should read, as per timesnow A Baghdad resident, Hussein al-Shimmari, said that the incident "shows the barbaric and aggressive nature of Americans." Ealturner 15:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Cool. I've added info on the apology issued by the ambassador and US commander in Iraq.  I trust this is acceptable to everyone?--Birdmessenger 16:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm upset you'd complain that something was left from the headline because of bias - no, it's because of conflicting reports. I've stated my opinion, so I'll sit back now and hope action comes from all of this discussion..

I said systemic bias, not bias. An overhelming number, if not all, of those involved in this discussion are from the Western world- that is to say the developed countries. A large number are from America itself. I doubt whether anyone involved is a Muslim/from the Middle East. Hence it is inevitable that some bias will creep in. What I said was that it would not be possible for me to outweigh this bias and hence it would be better for me to just back off instead of wasting my time on a lost cause. PVJ  (Talk)(Opinions) 17:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, everyone's biased - that's why it takes different contributors. I don't think the story would be as good as it is now if PVJ hadn't pushed it a bit too far into the other direction. What I object to is not a Muslim bias, but one man urging his countrymen to revolt against the American occupiers while generalizing that a single murderer and rapist represents "the Americans' barbarism and aggressive nature", images that will magnify this tragedy, and insistence without proof that the girl's age is accurate. The story told isn't a happy one, but it need not be an example of all Americans. A reaction story would be great, but this is the story of an incident and arrest of one man whose comrades didn't stop him from committing this heinous crime, but are finally testifying about it. I'm going to make one last edit - please revert the parts you don't like and just briefly say why. Otherwise, I think the story's rough edges have now been worn smooth. Karen 20:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree PVJ made it better. There's more research in the article now and it was important to clarify the girl's age. It was a painful process but well done everyone for doing your bit Ealturner 20:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Otherwise, I think the story's rough edges have now been worn smooth.

That is a nice way of putting it. Moving on.... PVJ  (Talk)(Opinions) 13:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection
Alright... I had to protect the article because of a revert war over on the article. Please, settle the dispute first. —     17:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * A bit late and a bit useless - I don't think there's any dispute at this point - just the flag. Karen 20:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Karen here, this thing has been a mess. The article now mentions "future" events on July 7 when it is dated July 6.  An earlier version without these items should be found and reverted to.  Then it should be protected. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW I unprotected this a few hours ago. I do not think there was much need for protection. --Cspurrier 20:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I deleted my quote from the future. I left the rest. Unfortunately there isn't an earlier version that was agreed upon. I think protecting it should really be last resort as it goes against the ethos of the wiki. We should be able to reach agreement. And I think we are at that stage now. Ealturner 20:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm about to publish, remove the tag. I didn't intend to imply that I thought contributors were deliberately stalling, but I wanted to mentioned that the delays were frustrating - almost as if the edits were intended to delay or degrade the story. I think the date should just be bumped, but if you disagree, just fix it and mention why you wanted no responses included. There's really not enough of a response at this point to warrant a separate story. Karen 20:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * note that i've bumbed up the date to 7th, so as to include the iraqi PM's quote, which has since then been removed. Doldrums 20:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: I've bumped the unbump and made my changes and published. What makes working this way much harder is the fact that I'm on dial-up and after typing my reasons and responses here, I have to deal with re-responding to someone who's page submit works faster than mine. Karen 20:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So are all the things with the article settled? —     20:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so, but I can't speak for everyone who contributed. Karen 20:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * the U.S. vrs US thing... Doldrums 21:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for removing the quote. When I came in here I saw that it was not wanted. Then I came back and we've bumped the date. That's fine with me. Ealturner 21:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ealturner, no problem - I'd rather bump the date than lose your efforts to contribute the "future quote". Karen 21:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Doldrums, is it the headline US you want U.S.? If you are pushing for that, then I'd also propose "arrested for rape, four murders". If you mean inconsistency within the story, then I'd say make it consistent the way you'd like (Although I prefer U.S., the headline is US), I'll leave that to you and whoever else has an opinion about it. Karen 21:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Truth about age of rape victim
"Based on interviews and records, the U.S. military now believes the woman who Green is accused of raping and killing was between the ages of 14 and 20, Army spokesman Paul Boyce said Friday. While the military initially said she was 20, Boyce said he has seen documents that indicate she could have been about 14." (note; the mistaken reference to 20 rather than 25). Looks like they charged the other 4 soldiers now.

Reporting of war atrocities

 * Usually the really horrible photos and stories surface after the wars are over. This likely helps those political leaders who are not ready for the wars to end. I only recently discovered the existance of this museum which I dare say most other americans don't even know exists. It seems to be a legitimate historical museum which is even mentioned by travel brochures. With Vietnam, John Kerry did tell a Senate committe in 1971 about the atrocities in general and then on April 18,1971's Meet the Press Kerry reported on atrocities he himself witnessed and participated in; "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.".
 * When one of the atrocities committed by our side(I don't know anyone here who is pulling for the "insurgents") in Iraq manages to surface into credible media, it is important that the story be as accurate and non-censored as possible so that the public in those countries which are choosing preemptive war as solutions will be able to learn as much as possible about the true and real consequences of choosing war; and it is equally important that those stories get to the public asap so the citizens will be able to do something with that information politically before it's too late. It may not be our jobs to "educate" the public; but there is certainly nothing wrong in that being a side effect of reporting NPOV news to the world.I think we all did a really fantastic job on this article, the title may be weak but the content is excellent and fully NPOV,imo. Hat's off to all. Neutralizer 14:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Neutralizer I don't agree with your political attitude. If you want to educate, teach. Wikinews is about reporting the news, and from a neutral point of view. I object to your term "credible media." There is no such thing. Only different sources. Ealturner 15:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No such thing as "credible media"? Maybe you're right. Neutralizer 01:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

the age thing, if anyone still cares
She was born on August 19, 1991, which makes her 14 by US reckoning.--Birdmessenger 01:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Source on that:
 * --Birdmessenger 01:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * --Birdmessenger 01:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


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Excessive Interwiki Links
As a feature of mediawiki, interwiki links can be really really handy. However, when every simple English word is wikilinked, it looks strange and can actually hinder smooth eye movement across a sentence. In some places, interwiki links can serve to be an effective context (eg I interwiki'ed "Lord" to God, because it may not be clear to someone who doesn't speak English or isn't a religious person that "Lord" commonly refers to a diety); however, using them to define simple words (like church) is overkill. Church is among the words known by the vast majority of English speakers and readers. As well as "apology", "poison", etc.

Overall, this is an excellent article and well targetted to the South African audience. There doesn't seem to be a great deal of traffic on the African Portal, so your work here is very much appreciated.

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Russian President Putin visits Greece to discuss energy issues

September 4, 2006

The Burgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline will be the major issue of the discussions between the Greek Premier Costas Karamanlis and his counterparts, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov, which will take place in Athens, Greece. The three-party meeting is scheduled to follow afterwards on cooperation on issues regarding energy and economy among Greece, Russia and Bulgaria, with the construction of the oil pipeline Burgas-Alexandroupolis being an issue of important geostrategic importance for SE Europe.

The Burgas-Alexandroupoli oil pipeline will stretch for around 280 kilometres and is expected to transfer 35 million tonnes per year. The cost of its construction will be 800 million euros. The meeting has been scheduled upon President Putin's request, who has submitted a draft plan aimed to be signed by the three countries by the end of the year. It is characteristic that Putin and Karamanlis met two times since September 2005, including one meeting in Chalkidiki, northern Greece, as well as one in Moscow, Russia.

Vladimir Putin is expected at Maximus Palace at 3pm (GTM+2), while he will be escorted by a delegation of Russian politicians, leading businessmen and energy corporation officials. At 7:30pm, Greek Premier Karamanlis will host a dinner in honour of the Presidents of Russia and Bulgaria.

The arrival of the two leaders in Athens has prompted the capital's Traffic Police to proceed with traffic adjustments in the city centre. The major traffic adjustments relate to streets around Athens Hilton, where President Putin will stay during his visit in Greece.


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Gunman kills and injures tourists in Jordanian capital

September 4, 2006

A gunman has opened fire on tourists in, the capital of Jordan. One Briton was killed and five others were injured at the Roman Theatre in central Amman. Two British women were among the injured tourists, the rest were from the, and  (So far the dead man has not been named). It is not yet clear whether the man was acting on his own or as part of group.

The attack took place at 12:30 local time (09:30 ). The lone gunman shouted "God is great" (in Arabic) before firing up to 12 shots, according to eye witness reports given to the news agency. When he ran out of ammunition the man fled the scene but was overpowered by Police and local inhabitants. confirmed that a man was arrested and is now being questioned.

A BBC reporter in the area has said that the area is cordoned and currently being patrolled by armed police.


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Bomb attack in Iraq kills two British soldiers

September 4, 2006

A roadside bomb attack by insurgents near Basra, Iraq has killed two British soldiers. The explosion also injured two other soldiers, who are being treated at Shaibah Logistics Base. The troops were travelling on patrol as part of a convoy 15 miles (9 km) from Basra when it was attacked at approximately 1300 local time.

In a statement, the Ministry of Defence said: "It is with great regret that we can confirm that two British soldiers have died as a result of an attack on a British patrol. One other British soldier was seriously injured, and a further one suffered minor injuries. Both have been evacuated for emergency medical care and taken by helicopter to a British Field Hospital at Shaibah Logistics Base."

A British base in Basra was also hit with a mortar or rocket attack in a separate incdent. The attack set fire to boats inside the base. Military spokesman have reported no casualties.


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Smart-1 probe ends mission with planned crash into the Moon

September 5, 2006

"Our closest neighbour remains an enigma," writes The Times Science Editor, Mark Henderson, "It is the celestial object that lies closest to us... ...yet, despite the proximity we, there is still uncertainty about what it is made from and where it comes from." Common theory is that the Moon was created after a large asteroid hit the Earth four and a half billion years ago breaking of large chunks which later formed the Moon. Evidence for this would be provided if the Lunar chemical structure closely matches that of ancient earth. The SMART mission is the first step in performing this analysis.

Annotated diagram from the ESA showing the final path of SMART-1 as photographed by the probe itself.

Observatories around the world watched the skies early on Sunday morning as a European space probe, the crash landed on the Moon; the first time a European made object has landed there and, as the first, it made quite a bang. For the culmination of its three-year mission the probe left its orbit around our nearest neighbor and smashed into the at around 4,500 mph. The impact created a brand new  and scattered  up to 30 miles, in contrast to the gentle touchdown of the Eagle lander (when Neil Armstrong became the first man on the moon) 37 years ago.

SMART
SMART-1, an unmanned probe, was launched aboard an rocket on September 27, 2003 from the European Space Agency's launch site in, French Guiana. The first probe from the Small Missions for Advanced Research in Technology (SMART) group took 14 months to reach its destination. Since then it has orbited more than 3000 times, covering a staggering 62 million miles. In that time its mission has been to gather new information about the Moon's geographical and chemical make up. An ESA scientist, said: "The legacy left by the huge wealth of SMART-1 data, to be analysed in the months and years to come, is a precious contribution to Lunar science at a time when the exploration of the Moon is once again getting the worlds interest." Using and  cameras the probe took pictures of the Moon's surface; some of its findings include a mountaintop (christened the Peak of Eternal light) where the Sun never sets.

Considering the distance it had traveled, the fuel consumption of SMART-1 was quite economical: the entire mission required just 62 litres (13 gallons) of liquid to fuel it. Weighing in at 376 kilograms and costing 75 million, SMART-1 was one of the smallest and cheapest space missions. Towards the end of its mission the probe was orbiting up to 4 times a day (as opposed to twice a day at the start of its mission) as controllers brought it closer and closer to the Moon in preparation for the final act.

New technology
The mission was also a test of new technologies. The miniature X-ray camera is the first in the world to be able to identify deposits in rock formations. Combined with other features the probe was, for the first time, able to map the chemical structure of large sections of the. Manuel Grande, the scientist in charge of the camera, said: "What was particularly pleasing was the calcium signal [...] This is the first time we've been able to take an inventory of all the rock-forming elements of the moon."

A similar camera is expected to be included on a similar Indian mission, the, due to be launched in 2007-2008.

Another new technology used by the probe was its engine, called a, a new form of {{w|Ion thruster]] (first considered by scientists in the 1950's). Previously this type of engine was only flown on Russian {{w|satellite|satellites}}, and this was the first time one has ever powered a craft beyond earth orbit. The thruster works by applying a large {{w|voltage}} across a {{w|magnetic coil}}, creating a strong {{w|magnetic field}}. This {{w|Ionisation|ionises}} the Xenon fuel supply which accelerates the ions to high speeds, pushing the craft forward. The propulsion of such an engine is around 3 times that of a normal chemical rocket. The thruster was powered by 2 {{w|solar panel|solar panels}} on either side of the probe.

The engine's small size and cost-efficiency helped keep down the mission budget. However there are drawbacks; for example, manoeuvres have to be carried out in long progressive burns rather than with short sharp bursts. A hall effect engine will also be used on the Bepi-Colombo mission to Mercury in 2013.

Earth observations
Astronomers and scientists in ground observatories tracked the crash landing as it unfolded, controlled by the ESA staff from the Darmstadt centre, Germany. The Mauna Kea Observatory in Hawaii caught the impact on infrared cameras, seen as a bright flash as rock and soil became superheated. Elsewhere, results were less conclusive; in Florida thick clouds meant astronomers missed the event. One observer said: "It would have been nice if it was clear, but that's the way astronomy works."

Success
ESA sources say the mission was entirely successful in its aim to test new technology and obtain more data about the Moon. "It was really a great mission for the agency," said mission manager, "It was a technology demonstrator that grew up and provide lots of beautiful science data."


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Suicide bomber kills British soldier in Afghanistan

September 4, 2006

A British soldier has been killed and another is seriously injured after a struck a NATO convoy  in Kabul, the capital city of Afghanistan. It is believed the attacker drove his vehicle into the convoy. Four Afghan civilians were also killed in the incident, four more were injured.

In a statement, the Ministry of Defence said: "Sadly, one UK soldier has been killed and another very seriously injured as a result of this attack. The injured soldier has been evacuated to a military medical facility for treatment.  No further details of the incident will be released until next of kin have been informed."

The death comes two days after 14 British military servicemen were killed after their plane crash landed near Kandahar.

So far, 37 British troops have been killed in Afghanistan since military operations started in 2001.


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Chicago apartment fire kills six children

September 4, 2006

Six children aged between 3 and 14 died early Sunday in an apartment fire on the 7700 block of Marshfield Ave on the north side of Chicago, IL. The fire also injured the victims' mother and three other siblings. Authorities say that candles are suspected as the cause, and that the apartment had had no electricity since May.

The three-bedroom apartment on the third-floor did not have a smoke detector, officials say. Commonwealth Edison spokesman John Edison declined to comment on why the electricity was turned off for the apartment.

Fire Commissioinor Raymond Orozco told the media, "This is the largest multiple fire fatality we've had from a single fire in quite a few years. I mean it's children. It's difficult for everyone involved."

Witness Cmdr. Will Knight said, "The mother came running out with one child in her arms, screaming to the neighbors that there were other children inside."

Fire Department spokesman Larry Langford said that the children were found in the front room, huddled not far from where the fire started. He added that the fire broke out shortly after midnight.

Witness Al Tillman, 32, said that he was visiting a friend when he heard the children cry for help. He ran up to the third floor, where he managed to grab a boy's arm and drag him out to the waiting paramedics.

Tillman said, "I'm shaken up because the other children didn't make it. I only heard one child. I wish I could have saved the others."

One man said that he and several others tried to get into the building, but the intense heat forced them to turn around.

Later, people held a blanket under one of the apartment's windows, asking them to jump down. Firefighters retrieved the children remaining by ladder.

The mother is hospitalized with three other children. The Court County's medical examiner indentified the children as Vanessa Ramirez, 14; Eric Ramirez, 12; Suzette Ramirez, 10; Idaly Ramirez, 6; Kevin Ramirez, 3; and Escarlet Ramos, 3. Escarlet Ramos has been listed as living at a different address, but details regarding this have not been revealed.


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India's Enforcement Directorate issues notice to Natwar Singh

September 4, 2006

India's former External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh has, for the first time, been directly accused by the Enforcement Directorate (ED) for his involvement in the Iraq oil scam. The ED, which is responsible for enforcing foreign exchange control laws, has alleged that Singh, along with his son Jagat Singh and three others, acquired foreign exchange worth $8.9 lakh illegally. The 18-page show-cause notice issued by the ED says the money was acquired by the accused, in violation of U.N regulations, in exchange for two oil contracts awarded to Iraq's State Oil Marketing Organisation (SOMO).

Of the $8,90,000, $7,48,550 was allegedly transferred by them to an account in the Jordan National Bank, the remaining $1,46,247.23, which was the commission for the oil-contracts, was deposited with Barclays Bank, in the Channel Islands. The money was transferred to an account in the name of Indus Trading Company, which itself is owned by Andaleeb Sehgal, a friend of Mr. Singh.

The accused are required to respond to the show-cause notice (issued on the 2nd of September), which Natwar says is an attempt by the ED to "defame" him, within 30 days. The independent Pathak Commission's report had stated that there was "no material evidence to show that Natwar Singh derived any financial or other personal benefits from the contracts."


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Canadian soldiers killed, wounded by U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts' "friendly fire"

September 4, 2006

A Canadian soldier, Pte. Mark Anthony Graham of Hamilton, Ontario, was killed and more than 30 were wounded, five seriously, in Afghanistan today in an incident being described as "friendly fire".

The Canadian soldiers came under cannon fire from NATO airplanes, reported to be two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts, also known as the Warthog.

Brigadier-General David Fraser, the Canadian commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in southern Afghanistan said an investigation has been ordered; "An aircraft flying in support of ISAF operations accidentally engaged a Canadian position in Panjwaii at approximately 5:30 this morning, killing one soldier and wounding a number of others. An investigation has been ordered into this event and while this event is tragic, Operation Medusa and the Canadians continue to operate in the Panjwaii district in support of Afghan government efforts to rid the area of Taliban."

"We've got to find out what were the details there." said Fraser. "We do have procedures, we do have communications, we do have training and tactics and techniques and procedures to mitigate the risk, but we can't reduce those risks to zero."

Four Canadian soldiers were killed in a 2002 "friendly fire" incident when they were bombed by an American F-16 fighter plane.


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Friendly Fire is not proven
Since the investigation has just begun, I don't think we can say for a fact it was friendly fire although it is certainly likely to be determined to be that. That's why I think it should be in quotes as well as the fact it is a colloqial term,I think. Neutralizer 16:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It looks a little sillly when it appearrs in quotes near the end of the article. Why not just do the title & first occurance?  It is literally a quote the first time its used, but not so much afterwards.  Nyarlathotep 08:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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Tropical Depression Six Shows Signs of Organization

September 4, 2006

An advisory has been issued for Tropical Depression "Six" by the National Hurricane Center. The storm is currently located about 1165 miles East of the Lesser Antilles in the North Atlantic and estimated to be near latitude 16.9 North, Longitude 43.8 West. This depression is moving toward the Northwest at 12 MPH and is expected to continue for the next 24 hours. No major change in strength is expected in the next 24 hours while winds are close to 35 MPH with higher gusts. The depression is a little disorganized according to the National Hurricane Center and showers and thunderstorms are still showing signs of organization within a large circulation. The depression may become a tropical storm later today or tonight.


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Two-thousand traffic fines laid in Ontario this weekend

September 4, 2006

2,000 charges had been laid province-wide in Ontario for highway traffic act offences over the Labour Day weekend. More than 100 charges for people not wearing seatbelts. 17 drivers have been charged with impaired driving, 17 others received 12-hour suspensions.

Remnants of tropical storm Ernesto in southern Ontario could have caused accidents. OPP Sgt. Cam Woolley said on Sunday that about 130 crashes could be attributed to "people going too fast in the rain and hydroplaning."

Students heading to college residences posed another problem. Improperly secured desks, futon frames and even a refrigerator were found on provincial highways.

"About 200 unsafe vehicles taken off the road this weekend, some with no brakes, bald tires, wheels ready to separate, that sort of thing," said OPP Sgt. Cam Woolley. "And also drunk drivers continue to be arrested, continue to be in crashes and Labour Day has traditionally been deadly and that's what we found this weekend."


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Kofi Annan to appoint secret mediator for Israeli soldier release negotiations

September 4, 2006

United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan has announced he will appoint a secret mediator to oversee negotiations for the release of Israeli prisoners held by Hezbollah. The soldiers were captured by the guerrilla group on July 12, 2006 in a cross border raid, sparking a 34 day war by Israel on Lebanon. The UN Security Council resolution 1701 called for the captives to be released. Israel has also previously said that the soldiers' return is crucial to any peace effort.

Annan announced in a press conference in Saudi Arabia that his efforts were requested by both Israel and Hezbollah. Speaking in the Red sea port of Jeddah today, he told reporters: "I will appoint a person to work secretly with the two sides ... I will not announce his name today or tomorrow." The secretary-general is currently on an 11 day tour of the Middle East.

Hezbollah reportedly wishes to swap Lebanese prisoners held in Israel for the soldiers. This is something the two parties have done before although, currently, Israel is refusing to negotiate any form of swap.

The announcement is another sign of progress in the region since the cease fire. Although Lebanon indicated earlier today that it would reject an imminent peace treaty from Israel and agreed to file complaints about the latter's eight week sea and air blockade with the UN.

So far there has been no reaction to the statement either from Hezbollah or Israel.


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Turkey - Two more killed in PKK-related bombings

September 4, 2006

Bomb blasts in South-eastern Turkey have claimed the lives of two people, one of them a police officer and injured up to 14 other people. The bombing comes during the escalating battle between the Turkish government and the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), the separatist group fighting for an independent state between the Iraq-Turkish border.

The two bombs appear to have been detonated by remote control as police investigated claims of a suspicious package left near a garden area in the town of Catak (in the Van province). Authorities in the area said that the bomb had been located in a rubbish bin. The Kurdistan Freedom Falcons (TAK), who are linked to the PKK, have claimed responsibility for the attack. On Tuesday, 29 August, the groups website carried the message, "We will trun Turkey into hell." They also warned foreign tourists to stay away from the country.

The frequency and sophistication of these attacks appear to be on the rise, following other bombings last week. The previous attacks at Turkish holiday resorts, which killed 3 people and injured over 100 (10 of them Britons), were also claimed by TAK. Many of the recent bombings have been aimed at tourists. In recent years Turkey has improved its foreign reputation as a safe country by promoting tourism, now the disruption to that industry places thousands of jobs (and millions of dollars in revenue) at risk.

In a separate incident, 7 Turkish soldiers were killed in a clash with PKK militants in the south east. The militants are reported to have launched an attack against the soliders in their army post on the Iraq-Turkey border. The Turkish government has warned that unless Kurdish separatist violence stops it will take action against PKK targets in Iraq, sending its own troops across the border. The threat was reiterated by the newly-inaugurated chief of Turkish defense forces General Yasar Buyukanit, who vowed to defeat Kurdish terrorism.


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Sri Lankan government announces first significant gain into rebel-held territory

September 4, 2006

Sri Lankan government troops are claiming their first significant victory since the peace accord went into effect four years ago, capturing the rebel-held enclave of in the country's embattled east.

"We captured the main Sampur artillery position of the Tigers, We suspect they dismantled the guns or pulled them back. We are now in Sampur." said Keheliya Rambukwella. Rambukwella noted that the government's troops received little or no resistance as they took the 10-km swath of land.

Overnight shelling and mortar attacks from the, the main rebel group involved in the fighting, killed one government soldier and injured several others. The objective of the incursion, said Rambukwella, was to neutralize the use of three Tamil Tiger guns aimed on government troops to the south. Tamil Tigers are claiming that they have not fled the area, and are continuing to engage government troops.


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Egypt - Rail accident claims five lives

September 4, 2006

The collision of a freight train with a passenger train just north of Cairo in the town of Shebin al-Qanater. The accident claimed 5 lives and injured another 30. It is reported that one of the dead was the engineer of the freight train.

In August the director of rail service in Egypt was fired after a similar accident killed 58 people in the town of Qalyoub. A public inquiry into that accident is underway amid growing criticism of the government for lax rail safety and transport regulation.

Mohammed Mansour, Egypt's new director of transport has agreed that the transportation system is in need of extensive overhauls. The government has approved $860 million to develop the rail infrastructure, plus another $600 million in loans to private rail operators.

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EU and Iranian leaders to meet over nuclear row

September 4, 2006

In what are being called last-ditch talks to head off a nuclear row between the United States and Iran, the EU policy chief Javier Solana and the Iranian nuclear senior negotiator will have a two day meeting in an attempt to diffuse tensions.

The Iranian official has not been identified in order to protect the secrecy of the talks.

The location and date of the venue could change at any time - currently the venue is set for Vienna, Austria. The date has not been announced.

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Somalia - Peace deal signed to unite government and Islamists

September 4, 2006

An agreement to create a new alliance between the powerful Islamic Courts movement in Somalia and the Somalian provisional government has been reached. The agreement calls for peaceful coexistance between the two groups, and the establishment of a national police and military force. The agreement goes on to call on Somalia's neighbours to maintain peaceful relations and repect the territorial integrity of Somalia.

The agreement was reached after three days of negotiations that were mediated by the Arab League, and have set 30 October as the date for a provisional power sharing agreement to be established.

"I am delighted by the signing of this agreement that will pave the way for the pacification of Somalia," said Ibrahim Hassan Addow, chief of the Islamist delegation. "As the Islamic courts, we will implement this agreement that has been made here in Khartoum and we call upon the government to do the same."

"The Somali people are tired of war, They no longer want to see a continuation of factional fighting. The time to make peace has come and we will not hesitate to take all opportunities to ensure our country is peaceful." said deputy prime minister Abdullahi Sheikh Ismail.


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Violence continues in Baghdad, suspected al-Quaeda leader arrested

September 5, 2006

Iraq witnessed more violence, with more than 30 people killed and a well known football player abducted. The incidents follow Sunday's arrest of "al-Qaeda second-in-command in Iraq" by security forces.

The bodies of 33 men were discovered dumped in various places in Baghdad today. The men had been blindfolded, had their hands and feet bound, were tortured and shot dead.

On Saturday, a well known Iraqi football player, 22-year old Ghanim Ghudayer, was abducted by persons wearing military uniforms and has not been seen since. Ghudayer is a member of Baghdad's Air Force Club.

South of Baghdad in the town of Kut, two more bodies were discovered found near a roadside. Both of the victims had been shot execution style, according to the local pathologist. The execution style killing has coincided with an Iraqi forces effort to secure the city of Karbala in advance of a Shiite religious holiday, set for 9 September. So far the fighting has killed 14 gunmen and one soldier.

The incidents follow Sunday's announcement by the Iraqi security service that they had arrested Hamed Jumaa Farid al-Saeedi, who they claimed was al-Qaeda's second-in-command in Iraq.

British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett, who made a surprise visit to Baghdad, said "We do not underestimate the challenges ahead, But we must not forget the progress made in the last twelve months in bringing the first democratically elected national unity government to the country, with a constitution voted for by the people." The visit comes as public support for the Iraq operation is beginning to sag on both sides of the Atlantic.

Iraq's parliament voted to extend Iraq's two-year-old state of emergency by another month. The state of emergency grants security forces special powers of curfew and detention.


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Talk:EU and Iranian leaders to meet over nuclear row

Misleading
Totally misleading...How can iran go to a meetig it does not know about? Last I heard there is a date. September 6 in Berlin, Germany...The EU already gave Iran 2 weeks to comply with the UN. so where is the news here?


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Talk:Smart-1 probe ends mission with planned crash into the Moon

Section Bars
Do we really need section dividers? Jason Safoutin 02:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * well it does break up the text nicely. They get used on plenty of the other articles so I assumed it was fine to use them! --Errant 02:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Title sounds like the crash was a mistake?
How about something like "Smart-1 probe ends mission with planned crash into Moon"? TRWBW 03:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL just read this, sounds like we're on the same wavelength! --Errant 09:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Move to Sept 4 or earlier?
I saw this yesterday on CNN Headline News around 3AM so it may even be a Sept 3 story. Do we move the day?

Faulty comparison.
"[...] compared to the gentle touchdown of the first lunar landing 37 years ago it was quite a different event."

This isn't quite correct as the lunar landing referred to here is the Apollo landing in 69 that had humans aboard. The first lunar landing of an unmanned probe was USSR's Luna 2 47 years ago (1959) and it's touchdown was probably similar to Smart-1's. --213.176.148.218 12:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn :( In my defence that sentence was written at oh... 2 oclock this morning :P I will edit accordingly --Errant 12:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee/September Elections 2006

It would be nice, I think, if voted by "approval"... Our voting won't be so stilted or divisive if we don't "oppose" people. What do you think above "support" or "approve" votes only? --Chiacomo (talk) 02:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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 * I would prefer our normal support oppose style voting or a support only with a strong emphasis on comments. Arbcom is important enough to cause a bit of division. I would hate to see some one win/lose solely because they were able to convince enough random people to vote for them/some one else. --Cspurrier 02:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Support" voting with comments sounds viable. --Chiacomo (talk) 03:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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Ach the rules!
Well I meet the 200 edits limit but not the month one for voting (having only been here for a week an a half) still I would like to profess my !vote of support even if it doesnt count. Ill do it here on the talk page so it doesnt get included by accident (and of course it would hardly be appropriate on the main page). So anyway, my vote would go to Messedrocker. Dang those rules ;)--Errant 11:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:Somalia - Peace deal signed to unite government and Islamists

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Related news that was published yesterday - are you advising that I take yesterday's article and a) Re-write it and post it in today's queue OR b) Edit yesterday's news?

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New Zealand woman survives being run over by train

September 5, 2006

A New Zealand woman who lay down between railway tracks and had a freight train run over her is "incredibly lucky", sustaining only  minor injuries, according to Sue Foley, spokeswoman for the railway company, Toll Holdings.

The driver saw the woman lying in between the tracks while the train was travelling at about 20 km/h. Despite the slow speed of the train, the driver was unable to stop the train before it ran over the woman. "By the time he stopped the train and walked back down the line, she popped out from under the third wagon," said Mike Lawton, acting sergeant for Feilding police.

The woman was flown to Palmerston North Hospital after complaining about sore elbows and shoulders and receiving minor injuries.

The driver of the train has been offered counselling while he has been taken off driving duties.

Police and the train operator would not comment on why the woman was lying between the tracks.