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Fascinating the "Turing Test" has withstood the test of time. And why not? -Edbrown05 06:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The question is, why were they using legacy chat software instead of jabber? ~The bellman | Smile  01:17, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

well, it has been done before by some friends of mine (p.s. i hope i am not breaching wiki etiquete, but this is what the discuss is for isn't it..)
 * Excellent spot for it, and no, you're not breaching wikiquette. - Amgine

and if you've got the subscription ,here,

http://ejournals.wspc.com.sg/ijmpc/15/1508/S0129183104006522.html

 * Although the experiments are based on the same Turing paper, the Simon's Rock students appear to have followed through on Turing's idea of using computer programs to answer the judge's questions, thus allowing the judge to contrive a question on the spot. The other paper used a set of survey questions, and did not address the question of whether a non-human would be considered male or female.
 * They are both excellent research projects, but I'm sure you'll agree they measured different things and, imo, the Simon's Rock group may have stayed nearer the original experiment. - Amgine

This is simply wrong
The Simon's Rock 'experiment' is most certainly not the imitation game. It is a pathetic attempt to 'dumb down' the Turing Test so that Dr. Wallace's creation, ALICE, can appear smarter.

Perhaps a better name for it might be "The Idle Chatter Game."

Turing was quite explicit in describing the 'original' imitation game. Turing wrote: - "It is played with three people, a man (A), a woman (B), and an interrogator (C) who may be of either sex. The interrogator stays in a room apart front the other two. The object of the game for the interrogator is to determine which of the other two is the man and which is the woman. He knows them by labels X and Y, and at the end of the game he says either "X is A and Y is B" or "X is B and Y is A." The interrogator is allowed to put questions to A and B thus:

C: Will X please tell me the length of his or her hair?

Now suppose X is actually A, then A must answer. It is A's object in the game to try and cause C to make the wrong identification. His answer might therefore be:

"My hair is shingled, and the longest strands are about nine inches long."

In order that tones of voice may not help the interrogator the answers should be written, or better still, typewritten. The ideal arrangement is to have a teleprinter communicating between the two rooms. Alternatively the question and answers can be repeated by an intermediary. The object of the game for the third player (B) is to help the interrogator. The best strategy for her is probably to give truthful answers. She can add such things as "I am the woman, don't listen to him!" to her answers, but it will avail nothing as the man can make similar remarks.

We now ask the question, "What will happen when a machine takes the part of A in this game?" Will the interrogator decide wrongly as often when the game is played like this as he does when the game is played between a man and a woman? These questions replace our original, "Can machines think?"

Alan Turing "Computing and Machine Intelligence"

Note well what Turing wrote: "The object of the game for the interrogator is to determine which of the other two is the man and which is the woman."

Note that in the "original" imitation game the judge is quite aware of what is going on; that he or she must choose one of the two as the woman, and that the judge must ask the best questions he or she can think of and must evaluate the answers as best he or she can. In the Turing Test one simply replaces one of the humans with a machine.

Turing is describing what is techically known as "The Method of Paired Comparisons." This requires that a judge be forced to chose one of two options. It is a very powerful measurement technique.

In the "original" imitation game the object is to chose the woman from the pair man/woman. In the "Turing Test" it is to chose the human from the pair human/machine. If the judge can't tell, then operationally we may say that the computer is doing whatever the human is doing, ie. acting "intelligent."

The essential points of the test are:(A) there are three entities, (1) a human (2) a machine and (3)a judge (B) the judge knows that there is a test in progress, and (C) the human must convince the judge that he or she is the human while the computer must convince the judge that it is the human. The sex of the human doesn't matter - at one point Turing discusses playing the game with a blind man.

When conducted as a "Paired Comparison" the test properly and sensibly tests the "intelligence" of the computer by comparing it to the "intelligence" of a human. When conducted in a manner such that the judge is not forced to make a paired comparison between the two entities, human and machine, the exercise becomes meaningless.

The Simon's Rock interpretation of the "imitation game" is doltish; it renders the affair meaningless, and Turing was not a dolt.

 * - Amgine 17:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if calling this the "Simon's Rock interpretation" is really fair - Cameo has done a fantastic job putting all of this together, but she is an undergraduate, not a faculty member, and her views do not represent all of us at Simon's Rock who are interested in the Turing Test. Personally I think that this interpretation of the Turing Test is incorrect for a number of reasons, and I am not the only one who thinks so. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's article on The Turing Test:

 * 3.1 Interpreting the Imitation Game

 * Turing (1950) introduces the imitation game by describing a game in which the participants are a man, a woman, and a human interrogator. The interrogator is in a room apart from the other two, and is set the task of determining which of the other two is a man and which is a woman. Both the man and the woman are set the task of trying to convince the interrogator that they are the woman. Turing recommends that the best strategy for the woman is to answer all questions truthfully; of course, the best strategy for the man will require some lying. The participants in this game also use teletypewriter to communicate with one another -- to avoid clues that might be offered by tone of voice, etc. Turing then says: “We now ask the question, ‘What will happen when a machine takes the part of A in this game?’ Will the interrogator decide wrongly as often when the game is played like this as he does when the game is played between a man and a woman? (434)
 * Now, of course, it is possible to interpret Turing as here intending to say what he seems literally to say, namely, that the new game is one in which the computer must pretend to be a woman, and the other participant in the game is a woman. (See, for example, Genova (1994), and Traiger (2000).) And it is also possible to interpret Turing as intending to say that the new game is one in which the computer must pretend to be a woman, and the other participant in the game is a man who must also pretend to be a woman (cf. Sterrett (2000)). However, as Copeland (2000), Piccinini (2000), and Moor (2001) convincingly argue, the rest of Turing's article, and material in other articles that Turing wrote at around the same time, very strongly support the claim that Turing actually intended the standard interpretation that we gave above, viz. that the computer is to pretend to be a human being, and the other participant in the game is a human being of unspecified gender. Moreover, as Moor (2001) argues against the claims of Sterrett (2000), there is no reason to think that one would get a better test if the computer must pretend to be a woman and the other participant in the game is a man pretending to be a woman (and, indeed, there is some reason to think that one would get a worse test). Perhaps it would make no difference to the effectiveness of the test if the computer must pretend to be a woman, and the other participant is a woman (any more than it would make a difference if the computer must pretend to be an accountant and the other participant is an accountant); however, this consideration is simply insufficient to outweigh the strong textual evidence that supports the standard interpretation of the imitation game that we gave at the beginning of our discussion of Turing (1950).

Getting Straight about the OIG Test versus the Standard Turing Test
In the post of 21 April 2005, a writer quotes the encyclopedia article “Turing Test” from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP). Unfortunately, one of the statements in the encyclopedia article quoted: “ Moreover, as Moor (2001) argues against the claims of Sterrett (2000). . . .“ is not accurate. Here is the real story about that:

--- In Moor (2001), Moor (incorrectly) wrote that I appealed to “the existence of a control group” and argued for a “gender interpretation” of the test. However, my essay “Turing’s Two Tests for Intelligence” (Sterrett (2000)) doesn’t say anything about a control group, and I have never made such a statement orally, either. When Moor sent me an advance copy of Moor (2001) as a courtesy, I called Moor to ask him why he had attributed that statement to me; it turned out he was recalling a statement made instead by someone else at the Dartmouth conference in January 2000. It was too late for Moor to make changes to his article by that time, but he very graciously invited me to submit a reply to his paper to the journal. I did so, and my reply to Moor appeared in Minds and Machines as Sterrett (2001), “Nested Algorithms and the Original Imitation Game Test: A Reply to James Moor”. Another clarification I made there was that “on my view, the issue is NOT a matter of using a ‘gender interpretation’ in contrast to a ‘human interpretation’”.

--- Subsequently, in the entry on “The Turing Test” in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, its authors (G. Oppy and D. Dowe) repeated Moor’s dismissal uncritically and did not include my reply to Moor among the references. I wrote to the authors, telling them that Moor’s dismissal of my view in Moor (2001) was based on things I never said, and supplied each of them with hard copies of my papers “Turing’s Two Tests for Intelligence” and “ Nested Algorithms. . . “ They agreed to read the papers and to update the article accordingly. That was several years ago.

--- I urge the reader who really wants to see how I defined the OIG Test (”Original Imitation Game Test”), to understand the reasons I say that the OIG Test is not subject to the criticisms of the STT (”Standard Turing Test”) and my claim that gender distinctions are not essential to the OIG Test, to actually read my articles (referenced below) rather than uncritically accept these baseless dismissals of them. In fact, I do not know of any real criticisms of the specific points summarized in Figure 1 of Sterrett (2000) that I made in support of my claims about the superiority of the OIG Test. Another important claim I make about the OIG Test is that it realizes a possibility that philosophers have overlooked: a test that uses a human performance in establishing a test indicating intelligence but does not make similarity to that human performance the criterion of passing the test.

Further, I explicitly said that I was not making any historical claims about what test Turing had in mind, so attempts to put me on one side or the other of that debate are misguided. I think there is evidence for both the OIG Test and the STT in Turing’s paper. The way my paper relates to experiments such as the Simon’s Rock College experiment is that it explains the significance of the difference between the two different interpretations of the test, and so explains why actually carrying out an OIG Test would be a significant event.

--- I also ask writers not to repeat the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s repeating of Moor’s dismissal of my paper based on his criticism of a claim I never made.

Posted by Susan G. Sterrett, Assistant Professor, Dept. of Philosophy, Duke University. June 19, 2005. sterrett@duke.edu  http://fds.duke.edu/db/aas/Philosophy/faculty/sterrett

References:

Moor, James H. “The Status and Future of the Turing Test’, Minds and Machines v. 11, pp. 79 - 93.

Sterrett, Susan G. (2000) "Turing's Two Tests for Intelligence" Minds and Machines v.10. pp. 541-559. (reprinted in The Turing Test: The Elusive Standard of Artificial Intelligence and edited by James H. Moor, Kluwer Academic 2003).

Sterrett, Susan G. (2002) "Nested Algorithms and the Original Imitation Game Test” Minds and Machines v. 12, pp. 131-136.


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what's the other 58%!? ... kidding... I replied to your post on my discussion page. I hope you can clarify where it went wrong on the Turing story. -Edbrown05 04:27, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for schooling me on the difference between the 'Immitation Game" and 'Turing Test". Sorry I had that wrong... seems the story was corrected. -Edbrown05 22:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Birthplace: Pittsfield, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, USA

Cameo Wood is currently a student at Bennington College where she is completing her senior year. Her thesis work uses the work of Marvin Minsky, Apple Computer's Knowledge Navigator, and of course the seminal work of Neal Stephenson's "primer" in "The Diamond Age"., She was a student at Simon's Rock College of Bard where she studied linguistics with a cognitive science concentration. She recently had an internship at the Neurosciences Institute in La Jolla, California, and prior to that, she contributed to 'Privacy report to Japanese government’ with Lawrence Lessig and others. Miss. Wood was formerly the CTO of Free World Dialup and the Director of Operations at eDial before entering Bennington College as a freshman in 2002.

Her interests are in HCI, A.I., the philosophy of mind, and cognitive neuroscience. She recently spent a year working on swarm intelligence of temporal metagroups, has written an exploratory study. This year she is focusing more upon Robotics and philosophy of mind. She is most interested in understanding how to build robotics and user interfaces that foster meaningful relationships and communication between humans.

Cameo recently performed a version of the Turing Test called the Original Imitation Game test for the first time ever. A story on Wikinews discusses it in more detail: Simon's Rock College tests Alan Turing theories with 'Imitation Game' experiment

 * http://people.simons-rock.edu/cameo/ -Cameo Wood's homepage at Simon's Rock

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Ukrainian president to visit Romania

April 19, 2005

Viktor Yushchenko, the president of Ukraine, will make an official visit to Bucharest, Romania this Thursday. This will be the first visit to Romania of a foreign president since Traian Băsescu became president of Romania in December 2004.

Yushchenko will receive an official welcome ceremony at Cotroceni Palace, the residence of President Băsescu. The Ukrainian president will also give a speech during the afternoon to a joint meeting of the two Chambers of Parliament, in Bucharest's Palace of the Parliament, Europe's largest building.

After leaving Romania early on Friday morning, President Yushchenko will go to Chişinău, Republic of Moldova, to attend the GUUAM meeting, a joint meeting of the head of state of Georgia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Moldova. President Băsescu will also be present at the meeting, since one of the goals of his presidency was to promote stability in the Black Sea region, and most of the GUUAM countries have Black Sea coastlines.

The relationship between Romania and Ukraine has become fairly cool in the last few years, during the presidency of Leonid Kuchma, Yushchenko's predecessor. This was due to economic disputes, as well as a dispute over Ukraine's construction of the Bastroe Channel, which was to be built a few kilometres north of the Romanian border. The Bastroe Channel was opposed by Romania on the grounds that it would damage the Danube Delta ecosystem, affecting Romania's environment. Romania's point of view towards the project was also supported by the European Union and several environmental organisations worldwide.

However, when President Yushchenko was sworn in during the Orange Revolution last year, the two countries gradually improved ties, especially since Băsescu focussed more on the Black Sea region than his predecessor, Ion Illiescu, and said that Romania and Ukraine would try to reach an agreement on their problems without going to international courts.

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Thermoelectric plants in Arad, Romania to be modernised

April 19, 2005

The Romanian government has allocated 16.6 million euros for the modernisation of two thermoelectric power plants that serve a residential area in the city of Arad, western Romania. The funds come in response to a request sent at the beginning of this year by the Arad municipal government.

The mayor of Arad, Gheorge Falcă, said that the modernisation was necessary because, up until now, apartments in the area could not be properly heated due to a significant loss of hot water caused by problems in the pipe network. According to the mayor, the installations will be fully modernised by this winter (December 2005). Falcă also added that, in years to come, he would request more funds from the national government in order to modernise all out-of-date power plants in the city, and therefore reduce the costs for consumers.

At the same time, the Romanian government has pledged to reduce pollution levels, especially in industrial cities like Arad, in order to comply with European Union environmental standards. Romania is set to join the EU in 2007. The government's target is that, by 2015, all plants or facilities using large combustion installations will have to align to EU environmental standards or will be forced to shut down. One of such plants is the Arad District Heating Plant, CET Arad, which is going to be modernised in the future. The modernisation is expected to take 100 million euros to complete.


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Romanian Ministry of Communications and IT discusses future objectives

April 19, 2005

The Romanian Ministry of Communications and Information Technology has discussed its objectives for the future in a seminar about informational services development. Romanian Prime Minister Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu, as well as the Minister of Communications and Information Technology, Zsolt Nagy, presented the government's major targets for the expansion and development of information services.

These include the sale of the government's remaining shares in telecommunication corporations Romtelecom and Postelecom, the relaunching of mobile phone operator Cosmorom and the maintaining of tax breaks for programmers. Another important objective was the awarding of more 3G licenses to mobile phone operators and more comprehensive online tax payment services. Connex, Romania's second largest mobile phone operator, launched a comprehensive 3G service this month, and more companies are expected to follow in the future.


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April 19, 2005

MiniMax Discount, a recently-established joint venture between several Romanian and foreign investors, will open its first three discount stores between today and April 28. The discount stores, which will be similar to supermarkets, will open in the southern Romanian cities of Slatina, Urziceni and Târgovişte. MiniMax invested 750,000 euro per outlet, with each store having 1,000 m² of floor space and a parking area for 100 cars. The first store to be opened will be the one in Slatina, with the other ones opening by April 28.

The company is planning to open a total of ten stores this year, as well as another twenty in 2006. It is expected that most of the stores will open in small- to medium-sized cities, of greater than 20,000 inhabitants, rather than larger cities of over 150,000 inhabitants. In a few years time, it has said that it plans to extend its network to over 100 stores.


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April 19, 2005 A 15-year-old boy who allegedly stole a Melbourne, Australia tram and drove for 40 minutes picking up and setting down passengers, may yet be allowed to work as a tram driver, despite his nine charges related to the incident.

"We have a very good recruiting policy and anybody who passes the muster for our recruiting policy we'd be glad to offer a job to, provided he's old enough to hold a driver's license," Yarra Trams Deputy Chief Executive, Dennis Cliche, told Australian Associated Press on Monday.

Detective Senior Constable Barry Hills of Victoria Police, said of the boy, "He's a nice lad, he's a good lad. I think his obsession just got the better of him."

Described as wearing a jacket similar to official Yarra Trams uniforms, the boy was caught on Sunday night by police in east suburban Kew, 15km from where the tram was stolen, when electricity was shut off to the route.

He is also accused of stealing a tram on Friday night, from South Melbourne depot. It is said that he drove it twice between the depot and Port Melbourne.

The lad was thought to have picked up the keys from Box Hill depot three weeks ago, said Detective Senior Constable Hills.

"There are safety systems built in that he would have had to study and know how to drive this tram without engaging the safety systems, which are designed to shut the tram down," said Mr Cliche.

"So ... this is someone who's spent a lot of time and a lot of effort to go about this."

"When somebody takes one of our vehicles unauthorised it's of grave concern to us and we are conducting a full investigation - whether he's a 'trammie' or an individual who cares for trams, it makes no difference whatsoever," he said.

A full report on all depots, which would also look at the potential impact of terrorism, was due for release in three weeks.

Police say the boy, of Sunshine in Melbourne, has been charged with nine offences, including two counts each of theft of trams and conduct endangering life. The boy, whose name was not given, was released on bail to appear in the Melbourne Children's Court in June.


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Afghan coalition forces repel Taliban ambush: 8 killed, 16 captured

April 19, 2005

In a convoy ambush Monday in southeastern Afghanistan, 8 Taliban rebels were killed and 16 captured after a fire fight that ended after Afghan coalition forces called in U.S. air power for support. There were no reported coalition casualties.

The convoy was travelling in the Dai Chopan district when the ambush occurred. Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman General Muhammad said, "After the ambush, fierce fighting broke out and we called in coalition air support," according to Reuters.

U.S. ground forces were also involved in the fighting where several weapons and two satellite phones were seized from the rebels. Zabul province lies along the rugged Afghan-Pakistani border where pockets of Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda terror network are thought to be holding out.


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The growing power of the Internet is clearly reflected in the decision, announced Tuesday, for the Associated Press to begin charging newspapers and broadcasters to post wire stories, photos, and other content on their online editions. The changes go into effect January 1, 2006. An advisory committee meeting will be held in the fall to ease the transition.

As the Internet draws more news consumers from traditional repositories of data, increasing numbers are demanding the stories on the Internet reflect the quick updating and coverage of a large wire network such as the Associated Press.

The rates the AP charges, known within as “assessments”, have risen by about 2.75 percent annually during the 90’s. Since the service is supposed to be not-for-profit and is owned by its customers, price increases are a tough sell.

The formula for the new calculations still has not been set, making it difficult to determine how the changes will affect what the outlets charge for their online news coverage. Currently the AP bases rates on newspaper circulation or broadcast audience with the large ones footing the major part of the bill.

The AP is creating a computer database of news paraphernalia which includes stories, photos, graphics, audio and video. It is all designed to make it easier for news rooms to create usable content.


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April 21, 2005 In a recent online poll conducted by The Advocate, some respondents spoke of their appreciation for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD). But the organization, which has recently seen the resignation of its director, Joan Garry, faces opposition from a vocal minority of its constituency, as gaged by criticism from some responses to the poll.

When asked by the publication, "Is GLAAD an effective advocate for the fair portrayal of gays and lesbians in the media?', at one point on April 18, the tally of 2294 votes showed a vote of no confidence with 58.5 percent voting "No" and 39 percent saying "Yes." But less than 12 hours later the tide turned as a tally of 4055 votes reported showed 62.6 percent voting "Yes" to 35.9 percent voting "No." The Advocate poll contains plenty of comments from constituents who approve of GLAAD, and these are readily found among the poll results. What is new is the realization that some in GLAAD's constituency is upset with the organization for various reasons including: perceived organizational greed, high administrative pay, charges of waste and inaction, and other forms of claimed ineffectiveness.


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User talk:66.44.0.195

Welcome
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User talk:82.148.97.67

Welcome
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User talk:80.182.10.43

Welcome
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User talk:62.194.241.152

Welcome
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User talk:212.171.242.181

Welcome
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User talk:68.204.254.4

Welcome
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User talk:192.18.42.11

Welcome
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User talk:71.34.107.80

Welcome
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User talk:64.21.174.192

Welcome
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User talk:82.82.76.4

Welcome
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User talk:Rastilin~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Rastilin. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Rastilin~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:64.209.126.50

Welcome
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User talk:GrueHunter~enwikinews

Welcome
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called GrueHunter. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name GrueHunter~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:68.74.133.100

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! → CGorman (Talk)  20:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases: Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources. If you are part of the story that the article is about, you may also wish to consider requesting an interview rather than writing the article yourself.

Thanks again! --Cspurrier 19:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:62.252.32.12

Welcome
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 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
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 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:202.7.190.130

Welcome
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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text:
User talk:24.48.248.97

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! → CGorman (Talk)  20:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:172.214.4.214

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! → CGorman (Talk)  20:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases: Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources. If you are part of the story that the article is about, you may also wish to consider requesting an interview rather than writing the article yourself.

Thanks again!--Cspurrier 23:56, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Rpdillon~enwikinews

Welcome
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 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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User:OsvaldoGago

OsvaldoGago is a photographer and lives in Lisbon, Portugal.

Besides photography he has an interest for free content and free software (free as in freedom), specially Ubuntu Linux, but also Wikimedia Foundation projects.

In Wikimedia Foundation projects, his contributions are mostly at Wikimedia Commons (with photographs).

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Referencing on Wikinews
Hi, I should explain that every piece of info on Wikinews needs a verifiable source (eg an external link). If there isn't one, it'll be removed - in order to maintain a high level of confidence in our product we need to back ourselves up as much as possible.

I searched for a BBC News profile has you indicated existed in your edit summary, and have added it using the source template (go to Writing an article for more info), and re-added your information. I'm sorry this isn't the greatest introduction you could've had to Wikinews. Dan100 (Talk) 21:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Please stop adding Hitler Youth info to the pope article. Its already included. I will be forced to ban you should you presist. → CGorman (Talk)  21:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Last chance. → CGorman (Talk)  21:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Barry Prime becomes Swim Ireland's new National Performance Director

April 19, 2005

Barry Prime has been appointed the new National Performance Director of Swim Ireland, the governing body of swimming in Ireland.

Mr. Prime (50), a former British Olympian, has an extensive coaching background. He moved to Australia in 1993 to take on the role of senior coach at the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) in Canberra. He spent 25 years coaching in Birmingham prior to his move to Australia. In Birmingham he trained five British swimmers to Olympic representation including Nick Gillingham.

Swim Ireland has struggled in recent years due to a sex abuse scandal and legal dispute with Sarah Keane who was made CEO last year. Further setbacks occurred earlier this year when the National Aquatics Center (NAC) in Dublin suffered storm damage to its roof resulting in closure since then.


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U.S. federal communications agency revisits do-not-call registry

April 19, 2005

The FCC issued a consumer advisory on April 15 in response to a recent flurry of e-mails claiming cell phone users will soon have their phones assaulted by telemarketers. In a paper titled The Truth about Cell Phones and the National Do Not Call Registry, the FCC reasserted that it is prohibited for telemarketers to use automated dialers to contact U.S. cell phones.

The paper notes the federal government itself does not maintain a national cell phone registry. Users of the do-not-call registry can, if they choose to, add cell numbers in addition to their traditional land-line listings. Up to three numbers per e-mail address can be added if done on-line.

The much anticipated do-not-call registry went live in October 2003. The registry has, in the FCC’s own words, been an “overwhelmingly popular initiative.” It serves as an option for consumers to stop unwanted telemarketing calls and currently contains over 80 million subscribers.

Additionally, in an FCC change to the registry guidelines effective January 2005, telemarketers are now required to update their call lists against the registry once each month. Previously, the update requirement was once every 3 months. Newer regulations also require marketers to unblock their numbers so users of caller ID will know when a telemarketer calls.

The U.S. contact information is 1-888-382-1222 by phone, or https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx by Internet, and registry to the do-not-call list is free.


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User:Cap'n Refsmmat/ScienceNews/April 18, 2005

Turing Test put to the test--April 18th, 2005
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the lack of articles for the last few days. I've had writer's block and no spare time.

But anyways, some university students decided to do a more modern version of the Turing Test. Using AOL Instant Messenger to communicate with their test subjects, they tested random people on their ability to differentiate between a machine (specifically, ALICE} and a human.

More specifically, they were asked to find the woman in the conversation. There was one real woman, and the machine was trying to "impersonate" a woman. The results, however, have not yet been published.

I'm hoping most people got it right. I've seen a few ALICE conversations, including one where two machines talked to each other, and they didn't look too intelligent to me...

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Talk:Advocate poll: GLAAD support not unanimous in U.S. gay commmunity

! This news story is nonsense, only two persons responded to the poll. -Edbrown05 23:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, now it's 4 respondents about the papal election. -Edbrown05 00:02, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

new source info
Seeing now this is about GLAAD, and not papal poll, -Edbrown05 00:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There was a little URL rot because it now appears The Advocate conducts a new poll pretty often. Sorry for the confusion. The URL has been adjusted to point to the appropriate content. -genpic

Dispute tags
Ok, what's the problem now?

The content of this article consists of VERBATIM QUOTES of poll comments posted by a host of respondents.

Explain objections ... or drop them.
 * If you will pause, I will do so. - Amgine 01:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Genpic: Please feel free to respond... I'm interested in getting this article cleaned up and published. - Amgine 01:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
This article is unabashedly negative toward GLAAD. Wikinews does not present articles which express a single POV. Define the argument and ascribe the opinion, but do not fail to present balance counter arguments. - Amgine 01:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy
The many points of contention listed in the article are not necessarily accurate, either to the messages left by poll participants or measurable from the data gathered by the poll. The ability to make a statement factually is not always easy to determine, but as a news source Wikinews does need to strive for accuracy.

I would suggest a major overhaul of the story outline, with the list of grievances minimized at best and the focus being on the taking of the poll and not the probably skewed results. - Amgine 01:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: balance. The article says (twice) that some respondents are happy with GLAAD, but that this is not news. What is news, it says, is that the organization needs to address a large host of negative perceptions among its constituency.

There was an effort to report these results as *perceptions* and not as statements of established fact. If this goal is not met, perhaps editing can improve it.

As for rebutting each point: (a) the poll comments do not provide a comprehensive list of rebuttals for all the complaints; (b) rebutting each point would result in extreme length; and (c) the point of the article is describe the spectrum of complaints -- having reported on the phenomenon, I'm unclear about a reporter's ethical obligation to act as a volunteer spin doctor, responding to critics.

Do you need actual screenshots of the morning and evening bar charts mentioned in the article? I can upload these, if necessary.

 * Please sign your posts GenPic by using 4 ~'s -Edbrown05 02:05, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Your point is heard... but... that is a splatter-shot report. -Edbrown05 02:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm willing to shape the report to your requirements, if you'll give me a numbered list of the things you want. - Genpic

Extreme makover
I copyedited this with a hatchet. I also removed the comments, which were one-sided and little more than a cut-and-paste list from the original website. I also changed the title/headline to be less slanted and more focused to its U.S. focus. I also removed the dispute tags being that the issues raised were addressed. -- Davodd | Talk 01:48, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is just fine with me. Thanks. -- genpic


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Hi! Kelly! You know how to log in right? Same as Buttercupsmarts in nation states. Check out the one marked with (best) first;)

 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya
 * 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Provinces
 * 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Kenya
 * 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairobi_Area
 * 5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kenya
 * 6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Kenya
 * 7) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairobi_National_Park
 * 8) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kenya_sm02.png
 * 9) http://www.google.ca/search?q=kenya+map+banana&hl=en&lr=&start=110&sa=N    kenya map banana
 * 10) http://crawfurd.dk/photos/nrb_hilands.htm  17  photos from the highlands around Nairobi, Kenya (Banana, Kikuyuland, Karen, Ruiru, Langata and the railway) (1995-98)
 * 11) http://crawfurd.dk/africa/kenya.htm A starting point for your exploration of Kenya: Country facts, links, news and photos.
 * 12) http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ke.html    Introduction  	   Kenya
 * 13) http://www.egroups.com/group/mwananchi Mwananchi · Africa's social and political forum
 * 14) http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/ke.htm    Kenya map and information pages (best)
 * 15) http://www.mambogani.com/ Kenya chat community forums blog photography
 * 16) http://www.kenyaweb.com/ Kenya Web (best)
 * 17) http://252.log.journeyfile.com/ Tanzania, Kenya & Uganda,wanderlust,Dec 11, 2003  TRAVEL BLOG
 * 18) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/peter.stensones/photos/photos_kenya.htm  Kenya - Safari Holiday
 * 19) http://www.africatravelguide.com/eastafrica/updates/001992.shtml    Category: Photo Gallery  Kilimanjaro From Below
 * 20) http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/K/Kikuyu.asp  (kĬkoo´yoo), Bantu-speaking people, numbering about 6 million, forming the largest
 * 21) http://www.desken.com/shopping.htm   Destination Kenya  (best)
 * 22) http://www.clipfile.org/kenya/ Tales from Kenya
 * 23) http://goldray.com/africa/kenya.html  Kenya - The Rift Loop
 * 24) http://www.kenyalogy.com/eng/info/datos7.html Meat is the star of Kenyan cooking, mainly beef, veal, goat and lamb, and to a
 * 25) http://www.kenyalogy.com/ Kenyalogy is the internet's Kenya safari guide.  (best)
 * 26) http://www.acu.edu:9090/~armstrongl/geography/ken.htm All about Kenya (best)
 * 27) KENYA MAPS
 * 28) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/kenya.gif Big
 * 29) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/kenya_pol88.jpg Big
 * 30) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/kenya.html Different maps
 * 31) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/kenya_econ_1974.jpg   Economies in different regions
 * 32) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/kenya_veg_1974.jpg  Crops in different regions
 * 33) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/kenya_ethnic_1974.jpg  Ethnic groups in different regions

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North Korea shuts down its main nuclear reactor

April 19, 2005

North Korea shut down a main on Monday at. Officials worldwide suspect the reactor was shut down to allow for extraction of spent fuel rods. Once spent fuel rods that are rich in are extracted from a shut-down reactor, they can be processed to yield the high-purity plutonium necessary for manufacturing an.

U.S. officials initially pointed out the reactor could have been shut down for non-threatening reasons. It may have experienced mechanical difficulties, or North Korea may simply have bluffed, having no spent fuel rods to remove.

On Tuesday, North Korea confirmed the reactor was shut down to remove fuel rods for weapons processing. quoted North Korea's ambassador to the, Han Sang-ryol, saying the measure was taken to "increase its deterrent against a possible U.S. attack."

"The ball is in the U.S. court," Han said. "We asked the United States to change its hostile policy. Then we can believe the United States and enter the disarmament process. If the U.S. policy is normal and friendly, [North Korea] will feel safe."

North Korea has blamed harsh words from the United States for its reluctance to conduct talks regarding its nuclear program. Most recently, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called North Korea an "outpost of tyranny," enraging Kim Jong-il, the leader of North Korea.

The CIA estimates that North Korea has between two and six nuclear weapons in its arsenal, and told USA Today that additional plutonium gained from the reactor is enough for six more.


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New mass grave discovered in Kosovo

April 19, 2005

New mass grave was discovered in a cave in Klina region, Kosovo. According to UNMIK's report, the remains are probably of non-Albanian victims, killed in Kosovo during the war in 1998.

According to B92 there are around 46 bodies of people from villages Retimlje, Opteruša and Zočište. UNMIK's forensic team is still working on exhumation and it will take around ten days to search the whole location. Jose Pablo Baraybar, head of the Office on Missing Persons and Forensics, could not specify the number or identity of victims.

Serbian president of Coordination Center for Kosovo and Metohija, Nebojša Čović, said that Serbian authorities knew about the mass grave, but were denied access until now.

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Wikinews:2005/April/20

 * Iraqi President Talabani speaks on 50 dead found in Tigris River
 * Norwegian whaling season starts with highest quota in a decade
 * New version of Opera web browser released
 * Italian PM Berlusconi resigns to form stronger coalition
 * Infrared technology enables recovery of lost classical writings
 * Australian blitz on fish poaching
 * Google Maps, Google Local launches for Britain and Ireland
 * U.S. federal communications agency revisits do-not-call registry

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Associated Press will charge for online content in 2006

April 19, 2005

The Associated Press (AP) announced yesterday that it will charge its members for online content, starting on January 1, 2006. The decision occurred at its annual board meeting.

Until the new pricing arrangement takes place, news sites that purchase AP content for their print editions have been able to use the same content on their websites at no additional charge. No pricing scheme has been announced, but the AP did say that it would increase its fees less than usual this year to ease the transition.

Burl Osborne, the chairman of the AP's board, stated that since the creation of the internet, the "AP's philosophy was to promote member efforts to develop this new medium, and to give those fledgling online efforts time to grow."

The price increase was not the only plan mentioned at the meeting. According to an AP report in the New York Times, "The AP also plans to introduce a new multimedia package designed to appeal to young adults, a prized advertising demographic deeply immersed in the Internet and other digital media."


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Infrared technology enables recovery of lost classical writings

April 20, 2005

Papyrologists at Oxford University in England last week reported major literary finds in examining old fragments of papyrus with a new technique: multi-spectral imaging (MSI). The fragments were unearthed near the buried town of Oxyrhynchus, Egypt in a major archaeological find a century ago. Many of the fragments were unable to be read until now.

Multi-Spectral Imaging
Multi-Spectral Imaging (MSI) is based on technology originally developed by NASA to photograph features of other worlds in bands beyond the visible spectrum, both infrared and ultraviolet. The technology was adapted by researchers at Brigham Young University to filter a narrow bandwidth of infrared light, which reacts with ink but not the surrounding material, making the writing stand out more easily and plainly than before and enabling non-destructive photographs of formerly invisible text to be taken.

MSI was successfully used in 1999 to read many of the Herculaneum Scrolls, which were considered to be blank or charred beyond recognition until then. Herculaneum was a town in ancient Italy that was buried next to Pompeii in its volcanic eruption of 79 AD, leaving many scrolls damaged but naturally preserved.

Oxyrhynchus
Oxyrhynchus, whose name means "sharp-nose", was a town located along a tributary of the Nile in ancient Egypt and populated largely by Greek immigrants. The name refers to a river-dwelling fish with a long snout that was worshiped as the town's patron deity by a local cult.

In between the town's surrounding wall and the local farmlands, there developed a number of dumping sites for papyrus and other materials, many of which have survived to the present day buried under mounds of sand because of dry, rainless local conditions. Papyrus, a paper-like writing surface made from reeds along the Nile river, normally does not last and no actual books written on ancient papyri have been uncovered.

The site was explored in the late 19th century by Bernard Grenfell and Arthur Hunt of Oxford University, during which about 100,000 fragments of papyrus were unearthed, which today are stored at Sackler Library, Oxford, in the largest collection of its kind in the world.

Classical and Christian Writings
Oxyrhynchus was not noted as a center of learning, and 90% of the fragments found there are expected to be mundane yet useful in reconstructing ancient daily life, including such things as "codes, edicts, registers, official correspondence, census-returns, tax-assessments, petitions, court-records; sales, leases, wills, bills, accounts, inventories, horoscopes, [and] private letters". According to researchers on the project, "the mass of unedited material represents the random waste-paper of seven centuries of Greco-Egyptian life."

The remaining 10% could possibly contain unknown portions of literary classics of Greek and Roman antiquity, or even lost Christian gospel copies or apocryphal writings. Among the items currently being worked on are parts of a play by Sophocles, a lost novel by Lucian, mythological poetry by Parthenius of Nicaea, an elegiac poem by Archilochus, and other writings by Euripides and Hesiod.

Given that Oxyrhynchus was also the site of a discovery of portions of the Gospel of Thomas (although that discovery was later overshadowed by the discovery of a more complete copy among the Dead Sea Scrolls), many classical scholars are excited by the new discoveries.

“The Oxyrhynchus collection is of unparalleled importance — especially now that it can be read fully and relatively quickly,” said Dr. Dirk Obbink of Oxford, who is leading the imaging project. “The material will shed light on virtually every aspect of life in Hellenistic and Roman Egypt and, by extension, in the classical world as a whole.”

The amount of new material, estimated to be around 5 million words, could expand the entire storehouse of classical writings by as much as 20%.

Digital photographs of some of the writings are expected to be published as early as next month; given the number of fragments, the effort in documenting and preserving them may continue as long as the next decade.

Notes regarding sources
Several mistakes seem to exist in the sources.

1 Scotsman News' headline: 'Lost' classical manuscripts give up their secrets after 9,000 [sic] years''
 * This may be a typo, the alarming date is not even mentioned in the text of the article, and other articles about this innovation say the texts have been illegible due to fading of ink for about a thousand years. The headline should probably be 'Lost' classical manuscripts give up their secrets after 900 years, referring to the length of time they have been unreadable.

 * This apparent error was repeated in several other titles concerning this article, such as by Webindia123, Newz.in, and the Economic Times.

 * The following statement by previous Wikinews author retained, although not checked yet: "The actual period of interest is at most, 300 BC to today, a period of some 2,300 years, not 9,000 years, which would actually be a period of years that predates the dawn of civilization by several millennia." This statement is merely obtained based on facts in the article that the authors in question wrote from 3rd century BC to 7th century AD, suggesting an upper limit on the age of the documents.

2 Date range the papyri were supposed to have been deposited, given by Scotsman News, Sci-Tech Today as 3rd to 7th centuries BC.

 * This is probably a typo, the website of Classics at Oxford, where the research is being done, gives 3rd century BC to 7th century AD.

 * This is a more reasonable figure, given the mention of Christian gospel writings among the fragments, since the authors of Christian gospel were not typically noted for writing three centuries before the birth of Christ.

3 A third possible error concerns the number of fragments, as stated in the Independent's article, "Scientists begin...", which quoted a figure of 400,000 fragments.

 * The Oxford research website mentions only 100,000 fragments.

In conclusion, as classical authors themselves might have once said, "Caveat lector" (let the reader beware).'''

Press Releases

 * February 6, 2002: BYU Adapts Space-age Technology to Study Ancient Documents


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Talk:New mass grave discovered in Kosovo

We really need sources in the English language, so readers can check them themselves. Dan100 (Talk) 08:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a source in English now. Though, I am not sure if that should be a rule. Was this issue discussed anywhere before? --Dcabrilo 15:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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Google Maps, Google Local launches for Britain and Ireland

April 20, 2005

Google has extended its mapping and local searching services to the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland.

Google Maps first launched in North America on February 8 2005, and proved popular with its innovative user interface. Google Maps UK is the first mapping website to be offered by Google outside of North America.

Two weeks ago Google added satellite imagery to its maps after buying the Keyhole company. Google Maps UK currently does not offer a similar service.

The Google Local service offers users two search boxes - one for the search terms, and a second to specify a location, for example a postcode or 'near London'. This enables users to find business in or near a specific location.

Google also introduced their SMS service to the UK. This allows users to get information - both abstract, such as dictionary definitions and the answers to mathematical calculations - and geographical, such as driving directions or the address of nearby businesses.