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This is so slanted against microsoft, its not even funny. (I'm not a big fan of microsoft, but come on). 03:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I see the NPOV? here. They apparently did something they weren't supposed to do (didn't play by the rules), so it looks, to me, like the article is pointing to that Towsonu2003 04:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, but there is a very distinct Microsoft is evil and trying to control/whitewash everything feeling to it (old version, new version is a bit better). Bawolff ☺☻ 06:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think they broke the rules. I do think they bent the rules a little. Their approach was a little roundabout, but they didn't edit the article themselves. They got someone else to do it, and whether or not that person was paid is irrelevant to the main point because he was kindly given complete freedom to change the content. Breaking the rules would be Microsoft paying the guy to write x and y points about the company, but they didn't do that. Kareeser|Talk! 07:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think wikipedia founder liked the bent rules... "We were very disappointed to hear that Microsoft was taking that approach," Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales said. Wales stated that the proper thing for Microsoft was to write a "white paper" concerning the article, post it on an outside website and then link it to the discussion page of the Wikipedia articles' discussion forums. "It seems like a much better, transparent, straightforward way," Wales said.
 * from the article Towsonu2003 04:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Evanreiser 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You have to keep in mind that while Microsoft could have published a white paper, that may not have had the same effect as hiring Mr. Jelliffe to edit the article to exhibit a NPOV. Could Microsoft been more tactful? Yes, they could have omitted the monetary aspect, but remember: The entire controversy is being touted as a backroom dealing by Microsoft when that simply isn't the case. Think: If there was no money, and a higher-up had asked Mr. Jelliffe to correct the article, would that have stirred controversy? Of course not. However: The fact that money is involved in this has nothing to do with Microsoft being secretive.
 * All of these sources are anti-MS because they paint Microsoft in a bad light. Microsoft "Doctors" Wikipedia Article, when in fact, Microsoft actively encouraged Mr. Jelliffe to conform to his own standards and tell others of the agreement. Microsoft has nothing to hide, and they're right for it.
 * "I think I’ll accept it: FUD enrages me and MS certainly are not hiring me to add any pro-MS FUD, just to correct any errors I see".
 * I added my own emphasis.
 * The more important rule to observe is that the subject of the article should never alter the article itself. That said, Mr. Wales can't edit his own article, just as Microsoft can't edit the article on OOXML or whatever it was. Did Microsoft observe this rule? Yes. So why are they being penalized for it?!
 * While I'm at it...
 * Wales said the proper course would have been for Microsoft to write or commission a "white paper" on the subject with its interpretation of the facts, post it to an outside Web site and then link to it in the Wikipedia articles' discussion forums.

"It seems like a much better, transparent, straightforward way," Wales said.
 * My response? Instruction creep. Kareeser|Talk! 07:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, to be repetitive, almost all the previous comments are based on the incorrect notion that some edits had already been done, or that the MS offer involved or necessitated going against or ignoring or remaining ignorant of Wikipedia rules. That being the case, as good faith demands, I ask that this article will be corrected to reflect that 1) no rules or guidelines were actually broken, 2) there is no actual evidence that any rules or guidelines were intended to be broken (despite the slashdottery), 3) Wikipedia has procedures in place for controversial subjects with experts who may by necessity be closer than ideal to aspects of a subject, such as the talk pages, to which I have been welcomed (as I indeed have been) though under scrutiny (which I welcome.) 4) There are other standards experts who are much closer to their subjects than I am who also regularly participate without any fuss. (I have mentioned David Wheeler below. There are others too, such as IBM's representative Rob Weir.) 203.111.164.74 03:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * It is too late for this article to be modified Rick. It's history. Your asking that this article be modified would include what? Something that never actually occurred? -Edbrown05 04:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It is to late to change it. We could potentially put a correction notice on it if the article warrants one. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * the correction template is used if there's a factual error in the report that shld've been caught at the time of publishing. from a cursory glance at this talk page, it appears to me that what Rick is looking for is not so much a correction of errors as a look-in for his views on the incident. an interview appears to be indicated. — Doldrums(talk) 04:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To say it again. I believe the premise of this article is borderline defamatory: that there was some kind of secret conspiracy to doctor. If there was no conspiracy or premise of wrong-doing, there would be no story. I am not denying that story became news, nor that it was interesting. -Rick Jelliffe
 * Rick worked on many of the standards, and Microsoft *ASKED* him if he could correct some of the glaring mistakes, because they can not. If Wikipedia is so open, why can't Microsoft correct mistakes in pages about stuff they make?  Cause they cause stuff like this.  And then they OFFERED to pay, if he wanted it, for time spent fixing the pages.  This was out of good faith.  Now all you see in the news is "Microsoft pays blogger to 'correct' wikipedia pages".  Now to call him just a blogger is demeaning to him, considering what he does for a living.  This entire page is a news artical that is based on pages who did not check their own sources very well.  If you click on the links at the bottom, and keep checking their sources, the story starts changing quite a bit.  4.189.112.12 15:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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Google News is your friend (added sources)... Towsonu2003 04:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Off-site
Wikinews own IRC channel is off-site, and worse, not transparent to the point that in-my-opinion it should be removed. Yeah, people will talk, but the most wrong place to talk about anything that has an impact on article is off-site. At least Wikinews had the compunction to try at a "Comment" page. -Edbrown05 06:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ? The new comment tab got killed (unfourtanatly), but I don't see what that or irc has to do with this article. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Killed, hmmm. -Edbrown05 06:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It has to do with this article because the former chair of the WMF seems to think the appropriate place to comment on articles is off-site. -Edbrown05 06:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments: Quotes from irc (I'm assuming your talking about jimbo quotes in article, as I can't find anything mentioning irc and jimbo elsewhere): I think in that case its okay for Jimbo to say stuff about articles offsite if we're going to quote him. we can't expect everyone we want to ever quote come on and log in. Jimbo's (like the rest of the world) is a busy guy, and proablly would be annoyed if he had to come all the way over here just so we could quote him. (on the other hand if he's complaining about an article you may have a point. The key thing is who asked who. If one party asks then the other should be able to choose the venue imo). Bawolff ☺☻ 06:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

"open source standard"
I changed the link to OpenDocument so that it names the standard directly, rather than calling it the "open source standard". I'm not sure that's even a meaningful term. To keep the Open Source link, however, I noted that OpenDocument is used by the two leading Open Source office suites (OpenOffice and Koffice). --Evan 09:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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Hi. The title is wrong. According to Microsoft, Rick hasn't been paid (yet). -- 217.51.7.84 17:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * also according to his blog Evanreiser 22:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks for fixing the title for good Towsonu2003 04:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

My life as an aficionado
Hi. I am the Rick Jelliffe of these articles, so I definitely have a POV, so I will limit my comments to the articles rather than the story itself. Almost all the articles are re-hashes of a single Associated Press story, which rehashes an IDG story. You can tell the source of the articles because the AP stories claim I call myself a standards aficionado the IDG-derived stories have me calling myself a standards enthusiast; actually, the website says standards activist but fact-checking has played no part in this story at any level. (In subsequent stages of the Chinese Whisper, I became a standards pundit even.) Another feature of the press stories is that there are frequently comments made which are not actually attributed to anyone: for example, the SMH story has a quote 'tried to doctor' without ever giving a source for this. Similarly, other articles use the phrase "has been accused of" without ever stating who was the accuser, if anyone. An accusation without an actual accuser is a rumour, I would have thought.

 * Hi back. I'm not getting the sense that you believe this article is not factual. I am getting the sense that you are unhappy with the way you have been portrayed in the press, but hopefully not here. -Edbrown05 09:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, the article is better than most press articles. But it does play up the conspiracy angle, which is entirely incorrect (and borderline defamatory when explicit.) You don't conduct a conspiracy by advertising it beforehand in a syndicated blog read and quoted by both sides of a controversy, do you? Anyone reasonable person would read the head paragraph "Software giant Microsoft has attempted to correct a Wikipedia article concerning the Microsoft Office Open XML format." and say "Good! We want articles correct."  Instead, the premise of the article and press stories is, it seems to me, that something wrong happened: but what is it? That MS can't pay me to find out what the correct avenues are, and, if the avenues allow, to use them to move improve the entries?

 * What the article doesn't say is exactly what "view" Mr Wales was disappointed in: that Wikipedia should be correct? I hardly think so. I suspect he was asked by a journalist "MS is secretly trying to subvert Wikipedia" or something. Because I had not actually done anything at that stage (it was only an offer that I was mentioning), the comment that they should have linked to a whitepaper in the discussion pages is a complete non sequitur: it suggests that something else had been done instead of using the talk pages, when *nothing* had been done.

 * One press article even mentioned bribery! At one stage, the story became something that journalists had "discovered"! Many people commented in blogs that it would set a bad precedent (as if there are not other experts active on the talk pages: look at OpenForumla's Dave Wheeler on the ODF pages for example). But their comments are based on the premise of something underhand having been discovered. One of the points of my comment was that almost all the articles (including this entry) are largely cut and pasted from the same source, and which has a dodgy premise. (As far as the allegation that IBM has been editing and commenting on OOXML and ODF matters whether secretly or openly, I don't think I have ever publicly endorsed or espoused that position: MS' motivation in talking to me is interesting but that is their motivation not mine.)

 * WHy isn't this article titled "Wikipedia helps sort out appropriate ways for good faith improvements to controversial articles involving paid experts"? That would be closer to it. 203.111.164.74 07:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I think neither Wikipedia nor Wikinews is too much interested in "paid" persons. Good faith contributions form the essence of its content. The fact that nobody gets paid for any contributions to Wikimedia sort of limits the extent to which a person will travel, or extend any effort, to uncover details which you, Rick Jelliffe, seem willing provide. That is disappointing. -Edbrown05 09:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I love writing for Wikinews, and i do not get piad. My resources are limited and if i were able to travel somewhere in the world to report a story I would. I love being able to report on local stories in My area. I am willing to travel, and I also will go at lengths to get informattion/details. I try and sometimes an article I do is not my best. If I could do more I would. DragonFire1024 09:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is interesting that Microsoft would consider an entry important enough to pay someone to investigate how they can get their POV fairly represented. I'd like to think they get wiki well enough to realise that the bolded word is the critical one.  If you've tried things like entering a year (Eg 1969) into Google you'll see how common and easy to access Wikipedia is becoming.  Companies will pay people to play the game and do damage control for them.  This case is as open as wiki standards would expect.  I'd expect we'll have to cover several stories on people trying to pervert the wiki in the next year, the BBC and ilk will cover the issue when it starts to look it is problematic for the wiki way.  We need to make sure that attempts to perform "corporate damage control" on wikipedia are appropriately reported. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


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New Zealand policeman, Sergeant Gregory Arthur Smith was captured on a speed camera over the limit by 65 kilometres per hour (km/h). He has now been discharged without conviction in Invercargill District Court today (UTC+13).

Sergeant Smith, 42-years-old, was initially charged with dangerous driving. After being found not guilty of dangerous driving by Judge Kevin Phillips, he was discharged without conviction for driving at an excess speed.

Judge Phillips said, before he delivered his verdict, that the criterion for Sergeant Smith to be discharged was whether he was posing any danger to the public at his high speed. And, according to Sergeant Smith's lawyer, Bill Dawkins, Queens Drive (where the speed occurred) is different to other roads in New Zealand, "If ever there was a case where a court would not convict then this is the very type of roadway in which this might happen."

According to police witness, Inspector Carey Griffiths, road policing manager, after a few pursuits that had "gone bad" and police speeding, police policy had tightened up.

On February 9, 2006, Sergeant Smith was caught on a speed camera hidden in a van, being operated by a civilian. He was caught going 115 km/h in a school zone in Winton, Invercargill. The speed limit was 50 km/h. Sergeant Smith was responding to a priority one level emergency involving a school bus with ten school children on board and another car.


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diver Eric Nerhus is recovering in hospital after being attacked by a 10-foot-long while scuba diving off, south of Sydney, Australia, on Tuesday.

Forty one year-old Nerhus said he was diving near the shore in murky waters, when the shark grabbed him by the head, crushing his diving mask. Nerhus fought back, poking the shark's eye socket with his fingers. The shark released him but came back again, grabbing Nerhus by his upper body, leaving deep lacerations on his torso. Nerhus managed to free one arm and stabbed the shark with a chisel. When the shark released him again, he made for the surface, where he was pulled out of the water by his 25-year-old son and was rushed to hospital.

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MySpace against sex offenders
Internet meeting website MySpace will start sending online alerts to internet users in certain regions of the United States in an attempt to help find missing children. The website will cooperate with the AMBER Alert system that provides a broadcast bulletin of suspected child abduction.

Last week families of five teenagers, who were sexually abused by adult users from MySpace, sued the website stating that it showed negligence concerning protection of its users'. In 2006, the company hired a former Justice Department prosecutor in order to respond to concerns over its online safety program.

The CEO of MySpace, Hemanshu Nigam, stated that the company has been working with partners and law enforcement in order to find all the possible ways to protect children. The website now asks all its users to have a valid e-mail address to allow tracking down possible predators, and new subscribers will be required to respond to a verification e-mail.

MySpace is also developing new software allowing parents to see public information about their child that the site was given.

Microsoft offers to pay blogger to 'correct' Wikipedia article
Software giant Microsoft has attempted to pay a web log operator or "blogger" to correct a Wikipedia article concerning the Microsoft Office Open XML format. Please note that Wikipedia is also a project of the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates Wikinews.

Doug Mahugh from Microsoft contacted Rick Jelliffe, who is the top technical officer for Sydney computing company Topologi - and offered to pay him for the time it would take to correct the article. Wikipedia strongly discourages contributors involved with the subject of an article from editing the article, when a conflict of interest is likely.

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales said, "We were very disappointed to hear that Microsoft was taking that approach," and stated that the proper thing for Microsoft was to air its comments on the discussion page and request someone neutral to make any appropriate changes.

The email Mahugh wrote to Jelliffe reads “Wikipedia has an entry on Open XML that has a lot of slanted language, and we'd like for them to make it more objective but we feel that it would be best if a non-Microsoft person were the source of any corrections.” The email also stated that Microsoft would not stop Jelliffe from disclosing the deal and rather encouraged him to post it on his blog at oreillynet.com. It also reassured that Microsoft did not have to approve any changes he made to the article.

Microsoft spokeswoman Catherine Brooker said she believed the articles were heavily written by people at IBM, which is a supporter of the rival ISO-approved OpenDocument standard used by leading Open Source office suites rather than the controversial Microsoft Office Open XML format.

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Economy center stage in French elections

January 24, 2007 Presidential candidate has promised to address what he calls the French "moral crisis... of work". With unemployment for younger people running at alarming levels (15.5% in 2002 for those aged between 20 and 24 according to the ) and the memory of the still recent, Sarkozy promised to reign in government spending and implement tax policies that reward longer working hours.

Once a matter of pride, the 35 hour maximum working week is seen by Mr. Sarkozy as contributing to the sluggish growth of the French economy. In previous years France's aversion to "anglo-saxon" economic and labour policies contributed to the rejection of the EU constitution in a referendum last year.

However, such views are now being challenged by the French right's main Presidential candidate as he proposes to abolish tax on hours worked above the 35 hours limit as well as proposing to introduce new measures to increase share options for employees outside of the managerial elite.

As well as challenging France's work ethic he is planning to roll back the boundaries of the State by adopting policies that will reduce the size of State organisations to allow for tax reductions in the hope of kick-starting the economy. The effect of his tax and spend reduction plans on state social provision has not yet been explained.

Reaction from Socialist candidate was immediate in describing his proposal as "scandalous" and that tax reductions on the richest on society would aggravate the already existing social divisions in the country. She argues that State spending on public services were essential at a time when such divisions existed in the country.

Mr. Sarkozy is currently pulling ahead in the polls one week after announcing his candidacy for the May poll.


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Papua New Guinea police chief attacked, houses torched in response

January 24, 2007

Assistant Commissioner Giossi Labi, acting divisional police commander for the Mamose region of Papua New Guinea, as well as his son Elias and two other relatives were attacked by a group armed with guns and bush-knives (machetes) who demanded money in the early morning of January 13, at Voco Point beach, Lae.

Mr. Labi told The National on January 14: My son and the two men were standing outside of the vehicle when the armed gang of about 11 approached them and ordered them at gunpoint to lie on the ground. Then they came to me and demanded money from me. As I opened the door of the vehicle and got out one of them stabbed me on my right shoulder three times and I retaliated and hit one of them. Then another came and swung a bush-knife at me and I ducked avoid the blow but was slashed on my forehead and right cheek. One of the assailants charged at me from behind with a bayonet and my son who was lying on the ground got up and tackled him to the ground and I realised that we were in big trouble with blood dripping down my face and I ran towards the Lutheran Shipping main office to ask for help. Elias and the other two men were stabbed in the back while lying on the ground.

Police arrested ten suspects, four of which were released after questioning.

22 houses in Keks settlement, of which the attackers are alleged to be residents, were burnt to the ground in response to the attack, destroying the property of 36 people. Lae police commander Superintendent Simon Kauba denied any police involvement, saying that the houses were destroyed by people from nearby areas frustrated with persistent crime.


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115 - 50 = 75 km/h ? 193.134.216.147 15:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


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this incident has already been reported - Cambodian woman found after 19 years of jungle life. — Doldrums(talk) 18:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:MySpace to display AMBER Alerts

"sex offenders"
did you mean "sexual predators" ?

Jerome Potts 19:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

the purported legal action of last week
Regarding the "A week ago families of five teenagers, who were sexually abused by adult users from MySpace, sued the website", do we have any information on that, besides the Reuters article which simply states a very similar "Last week, the families of five teenage victims of sexual abuse by adult MySpace users sued the service [...]" ? What is meant by "sexually abused" ? Sexual solicitation? If yes, then just say so? Conversely, if we don't know anything about those law suits, then either don't include it here, or use words such as "alledgedly", or "supposedly"?

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"pulling ahead in the polls"
Does that mean that he is ahead of the other candidates, or that his ratings have been increasing? (sorry, non-native English speaker here). In either case, numeric figures to illustrate this statement are needed, aren't they?

Jerome Potts 19:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It would be nice if the author did, but I think it usually suffices if the cited sources have the hard facts. (Don't take my word for it though, I am not an admin). --SVTCobra 03:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Political survival

 * [...] attempting to appear calm when it is clear that he is running for his political surival.

The sources imply nothing of the kind, and this could be interpreted as slightly POV. Rephrase, remove? Naphra 19:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I removed it.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

POV
There are several lines in the article that seem blatantly anti-Sarkozy POV, the "bourgeous" being "enraptured", "unfortunately" (referring to Sarkozy's way of doing things), etc. Just a lot of stuff that make this article seem highly unprofessional. 128.187.0.178 07:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:2007 French presidential election
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Glastonbury headliners announced

January 24, 2007

The Arctic Monkeys and Björk have been confirmed by the organisers of Glastonbury Festival to be the headliners at the 2007 event.

Mr Eavis and co-organiser Emily Eavis told the BBC in an interview that the "biggest band in the world" had also contacted them about performing but denied that it was U2 or Coldplay. He also added that "most of the line-up's now done" but it won't be released until after 1 April, the first date for ticket sales.

The full line-up release date has not been set but Emily Eavis told the BBC website that it was "in the coming months"

The application process for tickets has also been tightened with applicants having to first fill out a form online and supplying a photo. Then "the first 150,000 people that come through (on the hotline) will be booked in" on the 1 April. This process is all part of an attempt to stop ticket touts cashing in on the sell-out event.

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Talk:"Sunshine", "Queen" in the spotlight as 79th Annual Academy Award nominations announced

Subtleties
I don't know how politically correct wikinews/pedia tries to be officially, but I couldn't withhold laughter upon looking that the purple image tagged to this article. The image, of course, looks a great deal like female genitalia. Now, I don't know how dire this is; I imagine firstly that it was a conscious construction by the artist of the image, but then again, it isn't explicit. Further, images of pencils and the like could come under scrutiny also if this one was to be contested. Personally, I don't think that it should be.

I just thought it was funny, and then began to wonder how liberal Wikinews/pedia is about this sort of thing.

 * Must be in your imagination, never occured to me that that oscar statue looked like female genitalia.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its fine. (you have to have a bit of an imagination to see that, + Content disclaimer) Bawolff ☺☻ 21:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The image looks OK to me. (That is totally your imagination). — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  22:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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edit protected Please add missing image because the image was deleted on Commons. I'm not sure why it was felt that this was a good image because it just shows an Oscar statuette shrouded in shadows with a bright pink background. I am happy to temporarily undelete it if anyone wants to have a look, but imho there is a very similar image on Wikipedia that could be uploaded and used instead. Green Giant (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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Senate panel votes 12-9 against troop increase in Iraq

January 24, 2007

On Wednesday, the voted 12–9 against President George Bush's plan to send 21,500 additional US troops to Iraq. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is made up of 11 Democrats and 10 Republicans.

The main statement in their resolution says, "[I]t is not in the national interest of the United States to deepen its military involvement in Iraq, particularly by increasing the United States military force presence in Iraq."

Senator (R) said, "We better be damn sure we know what we're doing, all of us, before we put 22,000 more Americans into that grinder."

Senator (D) said, "not an attempt to embarrass the president. ... It's an attempt to save the president from making a significant mistake with regard to our policy in Iraq."

Senator (R) said, "I am not confident that President Bush's plan will succeed."

The full Senate debate on the Iraq troop increase will begin next week.


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Two major political parties protest placards used in Armenian-Turkish journalist's funeral

January 25, 2007

Thousands of people marched in Dink's Funeral to protest his assassination, holding placards that read "We are all Armenian" and "We are Hrant Dink" in both Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian.
 * Later, these placards were protested by MHP and CHP. The leader of MHP, a fascist political party of Turkey, described the placards saying "We are all Armenian" as

a freak show organized by those who do not participate in martyr funerals A party council member of CHP, a relatively leftist political party, said "we became ashamed of being Turkish. I am Turkish and I protest the assassination. ... The placards that say "assassin 301" are also wrong. As long as we do not want to denigrate Turkishness, we cannot call 301 an assassin. ..."

 * Article 301 is a controversial censorship article of the Turkish penal code that makes it a crime to "insult Turkishness".


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copyvio
You will se that the wording of the second paragraph of this item is same as a paragraph in Hrant Dink. That's not a copyvio, I wrote the paragraph there myself as well... Towsonu2003 05:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

single Turkish source
It's kinda hard to find English of such news items. See this for a discussion about this (which says non-English sources are ok) Thanks Towsonu2003 05:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedia style
"Article 301 is a controversial censorship article of the Turkish penal code that makes it a crime to "insult Turkishness", whatever that means." I think that this section needs to be rewritten so it's more neutral, (i know it's a small thing but it helps.) 82.198.250.68 09:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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New Zealand police defend decision to charge speeding policeman

January 25, 2007

The New Zealand police have defended their choice to charge a policeman with dangerous driving after being caught on a hidden speed camera at around 65 kilometres over the legal speed limit.

Sergeant Gregory Arthur Smith was charged with dangerous driving after he responded to a priority one emergency, which requires immediate police attention. Sergeant Smith was caught on a hidden speed camera at 115 kilometres per hour in a school zone, the legal limit was 50 km/h. Sergeant Smith was discharged without conviction in court yesterday.

Inspector Kerry Griffiths, has said that the police had made the correct decision to charge Sergeant Smith with dangerous driving.

Inspector Griffiths said that according to clear police policy, a police officer is not to put the public or other police officers into risk while responding to an emergency, under no exception.

Inspector Griffiths, ex-southern road policing manager, has claimed that there was already other police officer on their way to the crash and Sergeant Smith's speed was not warranted. He said that police have a duty to drive responsibly, even though they do have the power to exceed the speed limit.


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First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

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A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources.

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Hi. Changing "there WAS no explosives" to "there WERE no explosives" doesn't seem like vandalism to me. Is there a policy against correcting grammatical errors that I need to be aware of? StockGear 15:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't know quite what was going on in my mind then. I may have been looking at two different articles but you are quite right and I have made a mistake here. I hope you will accept my apoligies. Also when asking questions you are more likely to get an answer on the user who posted it's talk page. To do this clik on my name at the end and then on the discussion tab at the top. Thanks and sorry--Markie 19:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:GofG~enwikinews

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Living fossil caught off coast of Japan

January 25, 2007

A frilled shark was spotted off the coast of Japan on January 21, 2007 and taken to the Awashima Marine Park in Shizuoka, Japan where it was filmed and later died.

"We believe moving pictures of a live specimen are extremely rare," said an official with the Awashima Marine Park.

The frilled shark, Chlamydoselachus anguineus, is a member of a 350 million year old family, and characterised by an eel-like appearance with a distinctive protrusion of the gills.

The 1.6m female specimen was spotted in shallow waters by a local fisherman who contacted the Awashima Marine Park who were able to catch the shark.

The video is available on many websites including "YouTube" and shows the dying shark swimming around the aquarium with its mouth open.

It is unknown as to why the shark was in such shallow waters, but officials say it might have been sick. Its usual habitat is between 120 meters and 1280 meters in depth where it feeds on squid and bony fish. The sharks grow to 2 meters in length and are regularly caught by bottom trawlers and used as fish bait.

"They live between 1,968 and 3,280 feet (600 and 1,000 meters) under the water, which is deeper than humans can go," added the park official.

"We think it may have come close to the surface because it was sick, or else it was weakened because it was in shallow waters," continued the official.

This species is a living fossil, having a close resemblance to fossil records of paleozoic sharks. In comparison modern sharks have 5 sets of gills whereas the frilled shark has 6 sets.

Links

 * You Tube video of the shark
 * Awashima Marine Park, Japan

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Bird flu
We have quite a history of Avian Flu articles, I've added the infobox for the topic to your article and pestered the people on Wikipedia to keep their death toll figures that we reference up to date. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Saladtoss2k7

Hi Saladtoss, welcome to Wikinews. I'd just ask that you didn't copy-and-paste articles already on Wikinews, to other titles. -- Zanimum 17:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
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Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  18:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikinews. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. — Doldrums(talk) 14:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Militant group 'protests' placards used in Armenian-Turkish journalist's funeral

January 25, 2007

Thousands of people marched in Dink's Funeral to protest his assassination, holding placards that read "We are all Armenian" and "We are Hrant Dink" in Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian.

Later, as reported by Wikinews, these placards were protested by MHP, a fascist Turkish political party, and by CHP, a political party that the mainstream considers leftist.

Now a Turkish militant group, Turkish Revenge Brigade (Türk İntikam Tugayı), 'protested' these placards by placing a package, which was made to look like a bomb, to the wall of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey (TBMM). The package was rendered ineffective by the Turkish security forces, who found a note inside the package. The note 'criticized' the placards used in Hrant Dink's funeral. It also asked Dink's assassin Ogün Samast and Yasin Hayal, who admitted to incite the assassin, to be freed. The note referred to these two criminals as "brothers".

There is not much information about the structure of the Turkish Revenge Brigade. It is speculated that this militant organization has ties to the Turkish mafia as well as the Turkish Deep State (derin devlet), an influential, violent, and informal anti-democratic coalition within the Turkish political system.


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single Turkish source
It's kinda hard to find English of such news items. See this for a discussion about this (which says non-English sources are ok) Thanks Towsonu2003 19:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * PS. I googled for the english of this news item on google news, there was none. Towsonu2003 19:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Maybe you could find multiple Turkish sources? English doesn't mather as much as the fact that there is only one source.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I see. I still can't find anything (checked out a few newspapers, the fact that their websites are a mess didn't help). Let's wait for google to index them :) Towsonu2003 01:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Links
Links to wikipedia shouldn't be in the sources section,unless it is using one of the templates like. For use in an external links section I think a mention of when wikipedia was referenced is appropriate. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I used the Turkish Wikipedia to get some info on Turkish Revenge Brigade, that's why I put it in Sources. I don't know how to properly reference the Turkish wikipedia and the English version doesn't have that info (well, it almost has no info)... Towsonu2003 20:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Revenge Brigade
Sources for the Turkish Revenge Brigade being a terrorist organization? Wikipedia article states it is a militant organization, and I didn't find it on the EU terrorist organization list of 2005. Suggest rephrasing, "terrorist organization" to "militant organization" if no sources are found. Naphra 20:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, granted, they have claimed responsibility for a few terror strikes. Still, I'd like to see some sources before throwing the word "terrorist" around. Naphra 20:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Should be ok now? anyway, apart from the fact that they claimed responsibility for some terror strikes (which gotta make them a terrorist group), its hard to define what's terrorist... Towsonu2003 01:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


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Sex offender pretends to be 12 years old; enrolls into seventh grade

January 25, 2007

A man in Arizona is accused of pretending to be 12 years old, by using make-up to disguise his age, and then enrolling himself into 7th grade classes around the state, in at least two middle schools. The man is also being accused of assaulting a girl, but the name of the girl is not known. Police will not release details about the assault.

Neil Havens Rodreick II, 29, is a convicted sex-offender who is from Oklahoma and police arrested Rodreick when he attempted to enroll into Mingus Springs Charter School located in Chino Valley, Arizona using what school officials thought to be fake documents. Rodreick spent nearly the whole day at the school. Rodreick also attended another charter school from August 14 to November of 2006, Imagine School at Rosefield. Rodreick attended a total of 50 days at Imagine before he was dismissed from the school for not attending class enough. Rodreick is currently being held inside the Yavapai County jail.

"Our first priority is to help our students and our families establish a sense of security on our campus," said a spokeswoman for the Imagine school, Rhonda Cagle.

Cagle also describes Rodreick as being "quiet."

"He was quiet. He turned in his homework. By most accounts he was aloof and kept to himself," added Cagle.

Rodreick attempted to use fake admissions documents and a fake birth certificate to enroll into the charter school. Authorities are charging Rodreick with misdemeanor assault, failure to register as a sex offender in Arizona, possessing forgery devices, conspiracy to commit forgery, and conspiracy to commit fraud.

Rodreick also tried to enroll into the school using a false name, "Casey Price."

Police are also saying that Rodreick fooled two other men into believing he was 12 years old.

Lonnie Stiffler, 61 and Robert James Snow, 43, were Rodreick's housemates in Arizona and met Rodreick on the internet in Oklahoma. Both Stiffler and Snow were under the impression that Rodreick was a "preteen," according to police, and that all three men were in a continuing relationship that included sex.

Another man, Brian J. Nellis, 34, was also arrested by police at Rodreick's home. Police say Nellis followed the three other men from Oklahoma to Arizona. All men were arrested on January 18, 2007.

All four men are being charged with fraud and forgery, but Nellis, Snow and Rodreick will be charged with failure for registering as sex offenders.

Police also discovered a video at the home, that shows Rodreick having sex with what appears to be an underage child. Police do not know who the child is, or how old he is, but that he is a "juvenile."

Rodreick was convicted in 1996 for lewdly propositioning to a 6-year-old boy.


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Study says to clean your sponge, microwave it

January 25, 2007

Studies done on germs and bacteria performed by researchers at the University of Florida show that a dirty kitchen sponge can be cleaned and "sterilized" by microwaving it for 2 minutes, but researchers warn to wet the sponge first.

"People often put their sponges and scrubbers in the dishwasher, but if they really want to decontaminate them and not just clean them, they should use the microwave," said the professor who was in charge of the study that discovered the results, Gabriel Bitton.

"Basically what we find is that we could knock out most bacteria in two minutes. The microwave is a very powerful and an inexpensive tool for sterilization," added Bitton.

The sponges that researchers studied, were placed in "raw wastewater" and then put into a microwave to be "zapped," according to Bitton. The wastewater was a "witch's brew of fecal bacteria, viruses, protozoan parasites and bacterial spores, including Bacillus cereus spores," said Bitton.

Researchers say that at least 99% of the bacteria, viruses, spores and parasites in kitchen spongees can be destroyed or "inactivated" by simply microwaving the wet sponge, on the highest power, for two minutes.


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Couldn't you wait untill April 1st? .--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL...well its true...I just thought it would have been a fun news bit :) DragonFire1024 22:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wacky
I suggest adding this to Category:Wackynews--209.214.34.24 04:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done :) DragonFire1024 04:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Loving this...
I'm going to microwave my sponge now. Kareeser|Talk! 06:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Be careful, if its too dry it can catch fire (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6293735.stm) Someone should probably put a caveat warning on the main page too. 144.32.128.155 08:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

How useful is the microwave for sanitizing other things, like handtowels or fabrics? And how does it compare to a washer/dryer cycle for underwear and socks?


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Talk:Sex offender pretends to be 12 years old; enrolls into seventh grade

Pedophile
I am not seeming where this is mentioned in any reports, and thats including articles not used as a source(s). I don't know what sex crimes he was convicted for and if that cannot be found, then we cannot assume he was or is a pedophile. A sex offense can mean any number of things. DragonFire1024 22:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * He seems to have been convicted for propositioning to a 6-year-old, does that make up the definition of a convicted pedophile? Anyway the word is indeed not used in any reports -might be a language problem from my side.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not sure. I think, if there is a source that says that, we word it like it says..."propositioning a 6 y/o..." becuase its still assumption to say pediphile until a judge or officer etc says so...I don't disagree, but we have to follow the facts. DragonFire1024 23:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are being a little too strict... :) Towsonu2003 06:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

12 years-old??
"Rodreick spent nearly the whole day at the school. Rodreick also attended another charter school from August 14 to November of 2006, Imagine School at Rosefield. Rodreick attended a total of 50 days at Imagine before he was dismissed from the school for not attending class enough."

How did he pretend to be 12 years-old when he is 29? This article doesn't make it clear. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  22:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good eye :) I forgot to add that he used makeup to disguise himself. DragonFire1024 22:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Looks much better :) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  22:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I think a picture might be necessary to understand how a 29-year old might be mistaken for 12.--70.158.160.6 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Since Wikinews only can use free images that's not likely to happen.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not true, we can use fair use images. (Images from other news websites are not fair use). Bawolff ☺☻ 08:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How tall was he? 128.187.0.178 07:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


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