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Depressing that most items are about sport rather than news. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 5.71.101.204 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 28 February 2016
 * There's an excellent tutorial for writing your own articles at WN:WRITE. --Pi zero (talk) 12:17, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

News regions
It's taken ten years or so for me to develop a proper appreciation for our region categories. Over the years sadly my own tampering has somewhat degraded things because of my I imperfect understanding: our region categories are not continents. They're news regions, which is not the same thing. Saudi Arabia, for instance, is not in the Asia region, it's in the middle east. I was (iirc) responsible for Egypt being treated as partly in Africa and partly in the middle east, Turkey as partly in Asia and partly in Europe; but those may be unnecessary complications exactly because we don't have to adhere slavishly to conventional continental boundaries for our regions. Russia, after all, we classify as part of the Europe region, which in the continental sense is I believe true of Russia proper, but certainly isn't continentally true of the Russian Federation which is mostly on the Asian continent. --Pi zero (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to undo any of that. I am trying to clarify. Also, there are reasons why countries will/should appear in more than one region (but only Turkey can appear in three in my estimation). Our regions can, and should, be overlapping or exclusionary in my opinion. I could think of other regions which would be beneficial such as Category:South Asia aka the Indian subcontinent but I don't have the confidence I could see those changes through at this time (and we shouldn't half-ass it). There is the whole five or seven continent thing, but I am going with seven as it seem prevailing in the minds of non-geologists. But, yes, we are doing news regions and they need not conform to what other projects are doing, as long as we observe something close to reality. Category:Caribbean is one that overlaps and excludes, for example. If and when I get to countries, I would include Russia in Europe and Asia. I would include Egypt in Africa and Middle East. I would include Turkey in Europe and Middle East and Asia. But (focusing on the latter), I would not include all of those regions in every story about Turkey. Some level of human judgement should be exercised, if for no other reason than to fight the so sadly mis-named artificially intelligent computers. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:37, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of reassured by your remarks. A few miscellaneous thoughts.
 * I have thought about adding Russia to Asia, but it'd be a really major operation that one would have to be very confident of before undertaking it.
 * We could probably do with verbal explanations of what we have and have not included in each news region.
 * It looks as if our definition of Central America is probably the traditional subcontinent plus the West Indies.
 * We've chosen to put the Caribbean under North America, likewise the Gulf of Mexico. Those make sense to me.
 * I'm not too sure about the Indian subcontinent, but Southeast Asia comes to mind as at least worth considering.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 * OK, there are too many moving parts in this conversation (for me at least). So let's take Russia. If I add Russia to the region Category:Asia without doing anything else, I don't think it will break anything. Over time, it could be possible to sort articles in Category:Russia for those which are Asia related and those which are Europe related. Even if we don't sort the archive (and it would be Europe most of the time), what would it hurt? Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 * 'many moving parts' is, indeed, a good description of why we move so slowly on this stuff. Re Russia. We have, hitherto (and afaik), put all articles in a geocat into all parents of that geocat, the intent being that if one modifies a DPL by changing, say, "France" to "Europe" one will not lose anything that was previously included in the DPL.  So any article about Turkey goes into both Europe and Asia, e.g.  Following that treatment, if Russia goes into Asia, everything about Russia goes into Asia... which I wonder about. --Pi zero (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I haven't done anything structural. Just some updates to "Intro" and subst some stuff. But yes, I know and remember our geo-cat usage. If I was caught jay-walking in London, I'd be in Category:London, Category:England, Category:United Kingdom, Category:Europe, and probably Category:United States because I was an American tourist. I see your point. But, I do not think if I write an article about the relations between China, North Korea and Russia, I need to include it in Category:Europe. It should just be Category:Asia. I am not an expert on DPLs but why would they be broken? P.S. Sorry for being slow in responding, I'm also debating a stupid request for deletion over at Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 00:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

 * It's what's called an : If an article is included by a DPL, and you change the DPL by replacing some geocat with another geocat that the first one belongs to, the article will still be included. --Pi zero (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I wanted to open this topic again as I saw you removed the Koreas from Category:Asia. I had gotten the distinct impression from our discussion, each country belongs in a top-level region (and only one?), which wouldn't be the case with a sub-region such as Category:Korean Peninsula. The other case of this is Category:Caribbean which is also not top-level but subordinate to Category:North America
 * As we also covered, it is important that we remember we are talking news regions which can vary from what geographers and geologists say. I find it hard to justify a sub-region being only two countries. If Category:Iberian Peninsula were to be created, should we move Portugal and Spain out of Category:Europe? I think no. I also we should consider elevating Category:Caribbean to top-level because it has so many countries, small as they may be.
 * On a related note, we should probably move England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales out of Category:Europe and Category:European Union as they are part of Category:United Kingdom.
 * As a side note, above, we were both talking as if Russia was only in Category:Europe and debating its inclusion in Category:Asia. Turns out, Russia has been part of both top-level categories since 2014. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, we're now getting into the really difficult questions; religious leaders and military personnel are just warm-up exercise by comparison. Some thoughts.
 * The Korean Peninsula is a peculiar case because until WWII it was, if I understand rightly, a single country.
 * The Iberian Peninsula is indeed an interesting case. It's more geographical than political, and that gets into other similar conundra to do with geographical regions versus political regions versus news-organizational regions.
 * Political groupings that come to mind are ASEAN and EU; articles about members often don't relate to the whole.
 * You mention Caribbean, which is indeed a major grouping. Probably our prime example of a subregion.  (Which reminds me, I'd like to compose a usage note explaining more clearly what area it describes.)
 * There was, I think, historically some disagreement over whether the UK should be treated as a political alliance or a subregion. I suspect some Wikinewsies who live in Scotland were inclined to treat it as more of an independent country.  We may have the, er, fun of figuring out how to handle categorization if Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK.  (I s'pose I'd try to draw inspiration by looking back at how we handled the secession of South Sudan.)
 * Verily, the status of Russia is a messy thing. (Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but apparently categorization there is also hazardous.)  I forget what was going on with the question in 2014, and I don't think that's been at all consistently followed in categorizing Russia articles during most of the time since then.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * When I ran through the countries, I did notice ASEAN. And it made me wonder to what level do we put countries in the organizations to which they belong? Do we categorize for membership in OPEC, NATO, G7, G20, WTO? The list goes on and on. Categorizing UN members seems silly.
 * ASEAN bothered me initially because I thought it was just a free-trade zone or something, but then I saw they have diplomatic missions in other countries. Is the cooperation approaching levels near EU? I don't rightly know. Anyway, Wikipedia says there are ten full members and two observers. We currently have eleven in the category. I'll try and spot the discrepancy, but should observers be in or out for our purposes? --SVTCobra 15:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Agreed, categorizing members of the UN would be unhelpful. (Although iirc we've go an article somewhere that lists how every country voted on something-or-other, and the article is categorized in each of those countries; but that's about the particular article.)  For ASEAN, I would think observers would be included, as it's an is-related-to sort of thing. --Pi zero (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * You'd have to go back to 1910 for an independent and unified Korea. But Korea is far from unique. Until 1947, Pakistan was ostensibly part of India, though neither existed as a nation-state at any time prior. Do we have a category for former parts of Yugoslavia? But why not, the split was far more recent. And what about former Soviet republics? I don't know, but Category:Korean Peninsula and the Korea disambiguation page almost feel like we have a pro-reunification bias. --SVTCobra 16:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Yugoslavia. --Pi zero (talk) 16:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Soviet Union. --Pi zero (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Yes, but we don't put countries in there and drop them from the top-level region. --SVTCobra 16:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * No, we don't. Amongst the cases we've named there are a range of different ways they're handled.  Yugoslavia lists the former members, rather than using categorization to identify them.  Soviet Union doesn't even do that.  And categorization of categories sometimes does and sometimes doesn't imply categorization of articles. --Pi zero (talk) 16:39, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * (Perhaps the Korean case feels different to me because the connection seems more cultural than Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez arrived in the Chinese capital of Beijing, Wednesday, beginning a visit that will see new agreements to increase China's investment in Venezuela's petroleum, telecoms, agriculture and transport. Chavez says that his country intends to boost its oil exports to China to 500,000 barrels a day within five years, quadrupling its current exports, and up to one million barrels a day by 2012.

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After three days of presentations, discussion and general community interactions, the fifth annual Wikimedia conference, Wikimania, has completed, and attendeess are returning home. Wikimania 2009 — held in Buenos Aires, Argentina — was the first Wikimania held in the southern hemisphere as well as the first in a Spanish-speaking country.

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I remember when the first sputnik went up; me and my friends thought it was kinda a cool scientific achievement. Then, when we went to school and after the pledge of allegiance and star spangled banner and the Lord's prayer, our 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Cheeves, told us it was a disaster because now the "brainwashed" commies could drop bombs on our heads from outer space and we were so far behind in the "space race".Paulrevere2005 02:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Most governments in this world are brainwashing citizens in some extent. Just look at how Bush is cheating on the reasons of invasion to Iraq. But I do agree some countries are doing more :-).

NASA says foam "might have struck shuttle"
The BBC seems to have changed its tune somewhat - I notice an article has been rehashed to include reference to possible leading edge strikes of foam:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4726543.stm

--82.32.45.239 11:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC) (=Iain) May I suggest that if space walk fails to repair underside of ship they contact Red Green, the world's expert on the use of Duct Tape.

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Copvio?
A cursory reading of the most recent un-tagged version of this article doesn't appear to be a copyvio of the page sited. What's the story? Has the BBC article changed or have I missed something? --Chiacomo (talk) 04:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't actually much - only a paragraph or two copied from nearer the end of the BBC article. I suppose I could've simply cut that out or reworded it... but Lemonade51 has been posting copyvio after copyvio and we needed to get the message across that it's not on. It seems to have worked - lately, he has indeed been writing in his own words.

 * I guess the best thing to do with this is remove the copyvio parts and slip it into the archives. Dan100 (Talk) 09:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


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 * That is technically incorrect. midi is now supported. as well as FLAC, and Speex in ogg containers. However you should still always use Ogg vorbis.
 * The resulting filename should consist of the article title in canonicalized form plus the ogg extension. If you upload it to the Commons, the title must be prefixed by "en-".
 * Treat links like text when reading. Any vocal indication of every link would disrupt the flow. However, you are free to pick out the most relevant links and mention them at the end.
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 * Mess up a take? — Instead of stopping the recording, just stop speaking, then speak out "three, two, one" and then start reading again. You can easily edit out the "flub" since the countdown gives you a cue on where to make the edit, and gives you some "silence" to edit in.
 * Stay relaxed. Whenever you realize that your voice is becoming tenser than normal, or you're having more and more trouble speaking fluently, take a break, and resume when you feel muscular tension going away. Keep some fresh (not cold) water into reach, and drink some whenever you feel your mouth drying out.
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 * For those unfamiliar with "audio" terminology, a brief description of these terms:
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 * Normalization is a calculated adjusting of audio so that the loudest peak is set to maximum potential volume, generally it is close to 0 dB (on professional audio gear where 0 dB is maximum, −10 dB is a good place to normalize the average RMS for speech).
 * RMS — see Audio power

Removing noise
You should remove background noise from all your recordings. Here is a guide to doing this in Audacity.
 * Make your recording.
 * Select a chunk of the recording where you were not speaking. You should see a slight bumpiness on the line, representing the background noise.
 * Select.
 * Select the entire recording.
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The reason for moving the slider is that the default setting is rather powerful, and is likely to affect the sound quality by removing too much noise. When in doubt, remove too little rather than (irreversibly) removing too much. A clue that you might have removed too much noise is hearing "bubbles" ("speaking in a glass"-like sounds) in the recording.

Even at the lowest setting, this tool should remove all audible background buzz. If it is not able to deal with the background noise, then you probably need to record it again, this time without buses and motorbikes going by your window!

If all this seems like a lot of hassle, then send a message to a fellow contributor and he or she will do it for you.

Sound levels
You should adjust the recording volume so that the peaks you see on the screen do not touch the top and bottom when you speak. If they do, then "clipping" will occur (part of the sound information will be lost) and you'll just get a blaring noise. On the other hand, the volume should be set fairly high.

Once you have finished the recording, you should always then boost its volume. In Audacity, press  to select the whole recording, then go to. This will bring up a dialogue box with a slider which is already as far to the right as it can be without causing "clipping". If the value is above zero, then hit. If it is zero, then the software can't boost your voice without clipping. In this case, the chances are that you set the recording volume too high. It is also possible that there is a peak at some point in the recording because you made a loud noise (common culprits are: shouting the first few words of a sentence; coughing; clicking the tongue; choking on food; scraping your chairlegs on the ground...). You should try to edit that out, or perhaps just have another try.

It is also possible to select individual sections of your recording and boost them separately.

Recommended tools
Use audio recording software that can record section by section, like:
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Visa of Brazilian killed in London reportedly expired two-years ago

July 29, 2005

The student visa of Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, had expired two-years ago, according to the British Home Office.

Government officials state that he arrived in the UK on 13 March 2002 and was granted a six-month tourist visa and later applied for a student visa which was granted, allowing him to stay in the country until 30 June 2003.

It is also suggested in the Home Office statement that the visa had a forged "indefinite leave to remain" stamp on it, saying that the style of the stamp was not in use at the time it was apparently meant to have been issued.

This has led to speculation that this may be a reason why de Menezes — who was mistakenly believed to have terrorist connections — fled after being confronted by police (not in uniform) at Stockwell tube station. He was shot eight times by the police — seven times in the head and once in the shoulder.

His family had said that they believed that de Menezes' visa had been renewed for an additional five-years.

In the statement made by the Home Office spokeswoman, it was denied that the information released would influence the investigation, saying: "This information is not intended in any way to prejudice or influence the independent investigation into the circumstances of Mr De Menezes' death, or any possible future proceedings." The killing of de Menezes is being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), standard procedure for fatal shootings.

The body of Mr de Menezes was returned to Brazil on 27 July.

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 * 00:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC) - Steven Fruitsmaak awards Fentonrobb the Exceptional Newcomer Award.
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Talk:Visa of Brazilian killed in London reportedly expired two-years ago

I'd urge caution on this one. It was initially reported that the guy was wearing a heavy puffer jacket, that he was carrying some kind of "bomb belt" with wires coming out of it, that he failed to stop after a police warning, and that he vaulted the ticket barriers at Stockwell. It's subsequently been reported that he was wearing a light jeans jacket, that no police warning was given and that he passed through the barriers using a (valid) travelcard, and of course there was no bomb belt:

 Rcameronw 09:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * First up, it's worth pointing out that the Guardian is heavily biased to the left. Second, who are you going to believe - eyewitnesses, and there must have been many in a busy tube station - or a sister who feels her brother was murdered, speaking after a private talk with police where we cannot verify what was said?

 * It's the same ol' same ol', really. Officers are always removed from active duty after a shooting - standard procedure. And the ACPO firearms guidance has always said shoot to kill (and "aim for the CNS" - which of course, includes the head) - it's not new, it's just that the media have finally noticed it. Dan100 (Talk) 11:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure it's accurate to describe the Guardian as "heavily biased", but maybe these things are in the eye of the beholder. [If you don't believe the Guardian, there's a similar story in the Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1711303,00.html]

 * I say this very sincerely: it requires a severe lack of objectivity to consider the Guardian un-biased. Maybe one doesn't notice it when they agree with their politics.

 * Fair point - though of course disagreeing with the statement "the Guardian is heavily biased" doesn't necessarily entail that one thinks they (or indeed any other news source) are entirely un-biased, all of the time! And of course there's a difference between having political views and distorting the facts to fit those political views. I see no evidence that the Guardian has distorted the facts in this particular instance, not least because other news sources like the Times are reporting the same facts in broadly the same way.

Rcameronw 10:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Aside from that, though, there is an ongoing controversy over the facts of the case. 1. Was it true, as one of the passengers initially reported, that Menezes was wearing a belt with wires coming from it? 2. Did Menezes vault the ticket barriers, as initially reported? 3. Was he wearing a bulky jacket, as initially reported? 4. Did the police identify themselves before opening fire?

 * Several of the claims initially attributed to eyewitnesses either contradict each other, or have since been discredited. Of course Menezes' sister is coming at this from a particular POV, but does this necessarily mean her statements should be dismissed out of hand?

 * Given that several of the facts initially reported by the authorities have also been called into serious doubt, it seems sensible to reserve judgement over the truth of the claim that Menezes' visa stamp was forged, rather than merely reporting it as a fact. (It wouldn't be the first time that our government had told us things that turned out not to be true.) The man investigating the shooting has made a related point in today's Daily Mail:

Rcameronw 12:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * There's a useful outline of the controversy on wikipedia:

Rcameronw 13:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Please note that many of the original allegations in this "article" as well as those mentioned and questioned above in this Talk page, have now been discredited. In particular:

Menezes did not run at any stage, he was never challenged, he did not jump the turnstiles at the tube station, but actually used his Travelcard, he was calm at all times, he was sitting when the armed police entered his carriage, he did not have a heavy jacket, he did not have a bag of any kind, he did not have a belt with wires. This is all spelt out in this step-by-step BBC news animated guide to what actually happened, from the day the trial concluded:

Finally, it is certainly not clear that he was in the country illegally, see for example this Telegraph article where Jack Straw is quoted and the facts are laid out:

128.232.110.69 02:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the name of the killer(s) ?
I'm a bit curious as to why we don't know who(names) the shooter(s) is/are. Maybe that's usual for Britain(not to know)? Will we ever know? when will we know?..I'd like to see some background on this/these killer(s) before the story grows cold. Paulrevere2005 12:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it's probably normal that at this stage of the inquiry their identities would be protected. If you're interested, you might want to keep an eye on the IPCC website: http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/; they're the people conducting the investigation (as Dan points out, this is standard procedure in all cases of fatal police shootings). If, as in some past cases, the IPCC concludes that the officers acted improperly, then (I think) they would normally be identified at that stage. If, on the other hand, the IPCC finds that they acted properly but had been badly trained/briefed, then they might never be identified personally, although officers further up the chain probably would be. I'm personally quite hopeful that the inquiry will be fair and thorough, though it's such an unusual set of circumstances that it's hard to know for sure how things will play out. Rcameronw 11:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


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You do know that Australia is not an Asian country right? :-) 129.27.235.248 09:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


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Australian Medical Association backs ethanol blended fuels

July 29, 2005

The Australian Medical Association (A.M.A.), an independent organization representing over 27,000 doctors, has written a letter to the Australian Government's Biofuels Taskforce supporting the mandatory use of ethanol blends.

“The A.M.A. is a strong advocate on initiatives related to environmental impacts on human health such as global warming,” wrote Dr Haikerwal, President of the A.M.A..

“In our opinion, there is incontrovertible evidence that the addition of ethanol to petrol and biodiesel to diesel will reduce the deaths and ill-health associated with the emissions produced by burning those fuels.” The A.M.A. has recommended the use of petrol with 10% ethanol and diesel with 20% biodiesel.

The A.M.A. also indicated its support for the reduction of toxic aromatics (such as benzene), increased use of liquid petroleum gas (LPG) or compressed natural gas (CNG), and the use of filters and gas-detoxification systems in vehicle tunnels.


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No breakthrough in the WTO trade talks

July 29, 2005

Two days of ministerial talks have ended without agreement and evidence of a possible deadlock between developing and developed countries.

148 member countries are trying to reach a consensus on how to proceed with the Doha round of talks which are scheduled to be agreed in 2006. However, they are now behind the deadlines they set and the Geneva meeting saw no progress.

Richer countries are being accused of demanding too many concessions in return for opening up trade and reducing subsidies while they say that the poorer countries are holding them to ransom by blocking progress.

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UN reports "grim picture" of human rights in Burundi

34 summary executions were carried out in Burundi during July, says ONUB, the UN's mission to the war-torn country. The figures were announced at a press conference yesterday in the Burundian capital Bujumbura.

ONUB rights chief Ismael Diallo accused government forces and members of the hardlined Hutu rebel group Palipehutu-FNL of being behind most of the violence.

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Talk:Australian Medical Association backs ethanol blended fuels

Apart from the medical issues, we need a renewable source of energy - ethanol may be the answer

In America we're expanding our use of coal. Our government likes oil,coal, all fossil fuels..and our doctors must like the asthma business they get cause our AMA doesn't open their mouths about anything except the dreaded horror of "socialized medicine". Paulrevere2005 10:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

>:-( That's incredible . They are petrol-slaves.


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Armed police arrest two more 21 July bombing suspects in dramatic raids

July 29, 2005

Armed police officers from SO19 have raided properties in the Notting Hill and North Kensington areas of London and Italian forces have arrested the fourth bombing suspect at a property in Rome, Italy. The raids were in connection with the failed bombings on July 21.

Scotland Yard have announced that a number of arrests have been made, and that three of the suspected July 21 bombers are now in custody. The most recently arrested suspects are reported to be those wanted in connection with the Oval tube and London bus bombing attempts.

Officers in full body armour, helmets and gas masks and armed with shotguns and assault rifles were seen moving in. Small explosions were heard soon after, and CS gas and stun grenades are also believed to have been used. Police are cautioning that CS grenade launchers and explosive entries could be mistaken for shots, and have said that no shots were fired.

Police at one point described the raid as entering a "challenging phase". Eyewitnesses said that the police asked one person in a building that was surrounded to give himself up. They apparently addressed the person as "Muhammad". Muktar Said Ibrahim, one of two suspects named after the failed 21 July bombing attempts, is also known as Muhammad. The other officially-named suspect has already been arrested in Birmingham.

At one point the cordon around the area was expanded, cutting off TV news stations from their broadcast vehicles which were caught inside the sealed-off area.

Two weeks before the failed attacks of July 21, a series of bombs on July 7 killed 56 people, including four suicide bombers.

More arrests
Two women have also been arrested at Liverpool Street station, but it is not clear if the arrests are in connection with terrorism. Both the surface and underground stations were evacuated and were searched, but have now re-opened.


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Talk:Armed police arrest two more 21 July bombing suspects in dramatic raids

Watching live on News streams. Same deal as usual - will fill in sources as I get the chance. Dan100 (Talk) 12:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sky News is playing a recording of the police shouting to the person inside a building, asking him to give himself up either naked or in his underwear, and also asking why he's not coming out. Dan100 (Talk) 13:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

"Assault rifles"
Are they really carrying assault rifles? Other reports suggest "machine guns". I can't find any images to verify.
 * I think they probably have MP5s (i.e. machine guns).

Hi, sorry for lateness of reply. I'm a bit of weapons nerd: in the four man team visible on TV, one officer was using a Heckler & Kock G36C with reflex site and tandem magazine, one was using a G36K with 'scope, the third was carrying a 12-guage pump-action shot and I couldn't see the fourth's weapon. All were carrying Glock 17 sidearms.

Some serious tools - a step beyond the MP5s usually carried. Dan100 (Talk) 16:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * You're scaring me, dude :-D Great work, man! :-) SoLando 16:36, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * yes, and these are all considered assault rifles. It's convential wisdom to call something like these weapons 'machine guns', but that term is usually referred to much larger calibre weapons.

In which case, evidence of special forces involvement? The UK Sunday Times ran a piece on 31 July which pointed to customised weaponary (in particular a G3K with PSG-1 stock) seen carried by some "police officers" lately being non-standard for police but typical of SAS (or the new reconnaissance regiment).

 * Times article. I was a little confused by that article - they seemed to suggest that one person standing in the street (rather than part of teams that raided the flats) was a member of the SAS, purely because of the weapon he carried. The core SFOs of SO19 have free choice of weapons and equipment, so it wouldn't be unsuprising if that's the reason why that person had that weapon (and why the G36C had a "target illuminator", whatever that's supposed to be...). AFOs also do operate in plain clothes, contary to popular belief - the ACPO guidelines simply state that it should only be done as a last resort. (Of course, that means it's kinda strange that anyone was carrying weapons in plain clothes during a raid). SO19 are also trained (by the SAS) in all that abseiling, blowing doors open type of stuff. Basically, the SAS aren't really needed for this sort of thing anymore; I'd be extremely suprised if there really were SFs operating in London.

 * I also don't understand why the author is trying to insinuate that it was a military officer who shot Mendes - what difference does it make? Dan100 (Talk) 12:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well given that Menezes was apparently shot seven times in the head while pinned to the ground, I guess some Brits are a little twitchy about armed officers. Also, given the small proportion of police trained to use firearms and the apparent shortages in police staffing levels, it has been a little surprising for us to see quite so many armed officers around.  Finally, the somewhat different approaches of police (arrest people) and military (kill people) might give added relevance to the question of who in fact these 'armed officers' are.  I guess there is still the shadow of Gibraltar over this sort of thing for some of us.

Innocent people arrested !
(because we're all innocent until convicted in a court of law...we sometimes forget that at times like this)

 * july 15TH "Possible 'mastermind' of London bombings captured in Egypt"
 * july 19th "Suspected 'mastermind' of London bombings no longer a suspect"
 * july 22nd "Armed police shoot man dead on London Underground"
 * july 23rd "Man shot on London Underground unconnected to bombing, says Scotland Yard".

The really good news is that;
 * 1;the Brits don't send their innocent suspects to a Guantanamo Bay to rot
 * 2;the Brits admit it when they screw up. Paulrevere2005 17:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Uninformed rubbish! How was the Maze any different? How long did it take them to release the Birmingham Six and admit that mistake? Well? You're just a guilty lefty American infected with that 'Europeans are so much better than us' rubbish. I bet you scream and shout at the patriot act -- would you vote for CCTV cameras capturing your every move? I count one islamofascist bum that was arrested in America's borders that wasn't given the luxury of the American judicial system -- Padilla. I bet your heart is breaking for him, right mate? I'm not a fan of Gitmo, but at least I realise the sheer complexity of the situation instead of spouting the useless 'I'm against everything, but have no solutions to anything'. Stop hating yourself so much. Paul Revere needs another latern -- three if by civilian airliner.

Solution?
Yes, I have a solution(s).
 * 1. Every country keep their military forces within their own territorial boundaries.
 * 2. Only UN soldiers would be allowed to engage in "humanitarian" intervention. Every country could only use their own forces to defend their borders.
 * 3. Freeze non-"immediate family" immigration into the western countries for awhile. A "timeout" so to speak.
 * 4. Offer all immigrants on welfare a lumpsum payment equal to 2 years of welfare payments if they return to their homeland and sign a contract not to come back.
 * 5. Allow tax deductions for "start up" expenses for any new political parties and remove the huge obstacles (at least in the US) which keep grassroots political parties off the ballots.
 * 6. Slap a time restriction on all political service. Maybe 8 years like we now have for President. The "career politician" is usually a whore full of moral syphilis.

and in rebuttal; you're right about me not knowing enough about Britain to comment in general terms, but I do applaud the quick apology re; the innocent dead Brazilian. and your comment about Gitmo makes about as much sense, on a moral basis, as someone saying, "I'm not a fan of terrorist attacks, but at least I realise the sheer complexity of the situation". Paulrevere2005 12:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

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Why does the title of thie article describes the raid as "dramatic" ?

There has been no casualty afaik. MathieuMa 10:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Its prob because of the large armed presence; use of flashbangs and tear gas; video footage of the two bombing suspects; apparent SAS involvement (according to the Guardian newspaper). Generally not a subdued raid :-D SoLando 10:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It apparently was dramatic by British standards...just a standard "Repo" operation by our standards. Maybe Britain will soon become a "macho/macho man" country like our God blessed America...and the 8 year old mates can be playing "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas"; if they don't already....but then you'll have to have 44 million (20 million kids) without health insurance and more handguns than citizens if you REALLY want to americanize yourselves. Paulrevere2005 13:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The UK has been trying to be "macho" for hundreds of years: friday/saturday night in some towns; British Empire; SAS and all that. We just don't go for the full-on "rambo style" - bandanas are so last century. :-D SoLando 20:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


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How does one change the title of an article? This should be "German Unemployment Rate Fails to Improve" or something like that. Vaxalon 13:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Canada denies visa for Africa's top biosafety negotiator

Old news
This is old news. The ETC press release is dated May 18, not July 26. - Drog
 * Oh, crap. Well, I guess we've published it now... although we never should have. I wouldn't object if someone listed it for deletion. Dan100 (Talk) 17:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


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Fourth 21 July bomb suspect held in Rome

July 29, 2005

According to three news wires, the fourth London bombing suspect — just named as Hussain Osman — has been arrested by Italian police in Rome.

The arrest has been confirmed by the Italian Minister of the Interior. Hussein is a UK citizen who was born in Somalia, and later moved to Britain and naturalized.

It comes as two bombing suspects were arrested today in West London, and one in Birmingham on 27 July.


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Hoax email plays on tube travellers' fears

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In what some consider a tasteless follow-up to the recent bombs in the London transport system, misleading stories are circulating by email of a "new facility" which allegedly would allow mobile phones to operate from the underground tunnels in case of an emergency. This is, of course, not true, as no "leeky feeder" system or similar is currently installed on the system.

Fuller details are now available from BBC website.


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Football CL: Third qualifying round draw results

July 29, 2005

Third qualifying round pairs of the UEFA Champions League were drawn today in Nyon, Switzerland. Winners of the second round are still to be determined Tuesday and Wednesday next week.

Everton have found out their fate in the Champions League. They will not be facing their Merseyside rivals and cup holders, Liverpool, but will play Villarreal of Spain.

Liverpool could be playing Tirana or CSKA Sofia if they first avoid Kaunas of Lithuania, while Manchester United will meet the winners of Hajduk Split of Croatia and Debrecen of Hungary.

AS Monaco would be playing Real Betis, while Rangers face Turkish side Trabzonspor or Anorthosis Famagusta from Cyprus.

Celtic could be facing Sheriff of Moldova or Partizan Belgrade, if they overturn a 5-0 deficit against Slovak side Artmedia Bratislava.

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Might it be a good idea to add a tentative rating in the Fujita scale (F1 I make it, but I'm no meteorologist), as it's probably more familiar and well known.


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Bigger than Pluto, possible 10th planet found

July 30, 2005 The definition of what is and what is not a planet is being challenged by a newly announced discovery Friday. Astronomers from the Palomar Observatory near San Diego, California said they found a chunk of ice and rock in the solar system larger than Pluto.

The object, given the temporary generic name of 2003 UB313, is about 9 billion miles away from the sun. It was first photographed in 2003 using the Gemini Observatory in Hawaii. But it was an indistinguishable bright spot among a field of stars in an area of the sky where astronomers don't usually look at for planets or planet-type objects.

Solar system bodies found beyond the orbit of Neptune are called "trans-Neptunian objects". One of them, Pluto, is also classified as a planet. Up until now all other planet-like discoveries beyond Neptune, including Sedna, found by the same Palomar team in 2004, are called Kuiper Belt objects, or minor planets.

Size matters
Using a photo taken on January 8, the Palomar team compared it with previous 2003 UB313 photos to triangulate the object's distance, brightness and orbit.

Using mathematical formulas, they found a range of sizes for 2003 UB313, with an estimated average showing the approximate diameter of the new body to be about 2,600 kilometers. But even at the smallest estimate scientists are certain 2003 UB313 is larger than Pluto's 2,250 kilometer diameter.

To determine size, Scientists deduce the relative size of a solar system object by its brightness, just as one can infer the size of a faraway light bulb if one knows its wattage. The reflectance of 2003 UB313 is not yet known for sure. Scientists can not yet tell how much light from the sun is reflected away from its surface, but the amount of light the planet does reflect puts a lower limit on its size.

"Even if it reflected 100 percent of the light reaching it, it would still be as big as Pluto," Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology said in a NASA press release. "I'd say it's probably one and a half times the size of Pluto, but we're not sure yet of the final size."

"We are 100 percent confident that this is the first object bigger than Pluto ever found in the outer solar system," Brown added.

Why wasn't it discovered earlier?
The object is inclined by a whopping 45 degrees to the main plane of the solar system, where most of the other planets orbit. That's why it eluded discovery: nobody was looking there until now, Brown said.

Most objects in the solar system are just a few degrees from the main plane of the solar system, called the Ecliptic. Pluto, which is considered substantially different from the rest of the planets, is only 17 degrees from this main plane. Astronomers who study the sky for asteroids and comets usually look in the region of the sky that the rest of the planets occupy.

The brightness of this object is just barely fainter than the telescopes from earlier sky surveys were able to identify, so new advances in the making of telescopes has also played a part in this discovery.

The name
Now that the discovery data has been released, the scientists will turn over their work to the International Astronomical Union (IAU), which will review it, classify the object and approve a new name to replace the temporary 2003 UB313.

Sometimes the discoverers of a new planetary body get to choose its name, but not always. "We have a name we really like, and we want it to stick," Brown told reporters at a press conference. He said the team has submitted the name to the IAU but would not disclose their choice. In the 2004 naming of Sedna, Brown noted objects found in the Kuiper Belt are usually named after deities of the Underworld.

The astronomers have been using a code name of sorts for the discovery. The tongue-in-cheek nickname is "Xena" after the fictional main character of the television series of the same name. "Because we always wanted to name something Xena," Dr. Brown said in a New York Times report.

Defining 'planet'

There has been controversy in the scientific community about what is and what is not a planet. Some purists insist the Solar system has only eight planets and that Kuiper Belt object including Pluto, Sedna and 2003 UB313 cannot be listed among the major planets.

A minor furor erupted when the IAU suggested removing Pluto from the pantheon of planets a few years ago. Because of that Pluto's status as a "planet" in addition to being a Kuiper Belt object was cemented. But with the discovery of 2003 UB313 the "planet or not" debate may rekindle.

"Pluto has been a planet for so long that the world is comfortable with that," Brown said in the teleconference. "It seems to me a logical extension that anything bigger than Pluto and farther out is a planet."

Offering additional justification, Brown said 2003 UB313 appears to be surfaced with methane ice, as is Pluto. That's not the case with other large Kuiper Belt objects, however.

"This object is in a class very much like Pluto," he said.

A second object found
The new "10th planet" was not the only new discovery in the Kuiper Belt this past week. José-Luis Ortiz at the Sierra Nevada Observatory in Spain announced the discovery of an object called 2003 EL61. This object, thought to be larger than Sedna, is the brightest trans-Neptune object next to Pluto.

Although some news media confused the discovery of 2003 EL61 with 2003 UB313, they are different objects.

2003 EL61 is so bright, it can be seen with high-end amateur-grade telescopes equipped with CCD cameras. Although this second discovery may not be as large as 2003 UB313, scientists have confirmed that 2003 EL61 has its own moon.


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