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Former Oral Roberts University Regent member speaks out

November 9, 2007

Harry McNevin, explained in a recent interview that he quit the Board of Regents at Oral Roberts University in disgust in 1987 after 16 years of service when he learned that Richard Roberts, Oral Roberts and other Roberts family dipped into the school's endowment fund for personal expenses.

McNevin noted that he resigned after the board practically "rubber-stamped" the "use of millions in endowment money to buy a Beverly Hills property so that Oral Roberts could have a West Coast office and house." In addition he said a country club membership was purchased for the home. The home was reported purchased for US$3 million and another $3.5 million was spent remodeling it.

The Associated Press also cited Patti Roberts, Richard's first wife, who wrote in her 1983 memoir, "Ashes to Gold," about expensive gifts including a blue Mercedes as a Christmas gift for Richard, a Jaguar for her, Italian suits and Palm Beach vacations. Suzanne Culpepper, the Roberts' former nanny, said Lindsay (Richard' second wife) and Richard spent money wildly. This included 275 pairs of shoes for Lindsay, 120 pairs of shoes (including 18 pairs of golf shoes) for Richard, 165 suits for Richard and other large amounts of clothing in their walk-in closest.

Previously the Roberts were accused of illegal political and financial wrongdoing, which forced the president to step down from his position.

A United States Senate committee is currently investigating six major ministries over their finances. Three of these ministries are headed by members of ORU's Board of Regents.

Recently Tulsa World wrote that Oral Roberts University raised $8.8 million starting in 2001 for a new student center, but construction has begun and officials said "the school has used some of the money for scholarships and operations." Tulsa World requested documents about the ORU student center, but the "university released details but not records about money raised for the center."


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Shouldn't a new story have been written? --SVTCobra 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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 * If it was marked with a breaking news template, then i see this as an update or "information changing rapidly". DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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Muslim hair stylist sues hairdresser over alleged discrimination

November 9, 2007 British-born Muslim hair stylist Bushra Noah is currently undertaking legal action against the owner of a hair salon for alleged religious discrimination. Noah is suing London hair salon owner Sarah Desroiser. Desroiser who runs a salon in King's Cross, has said that she would not accept Noah as a stylist if Noah's hair was covered. Noah, like many devout Muslims keeps her hair covered in public places, believing it to be immodest otherwise.

Noah claims that her headscarf is a fundamental part of her religious beliefs and that wearing the scarf would not interfere in her carrying out the job at all. Desrosiers said that it is not discrimination but rather that "the essence of my line of work is the display of hair. To me, it's absolutely basic that people should be able to see the stylist's hair. It has nothing to do with religion. It is just unfortunate that for her covering her hair symbolises religion." Desosiers added that she had worked with Muslims in the past and employs a Muslim accountant.

Noah claims that the state of her own hair is irrelevant to her ability to style others hair.

The last few years have seen a string of similar cases in Britain. Last year, there was a case over whether a British Airways employee could wear a prominent cross, and another case in which a teacher argued that she had a right to wear a Jilbāb (a traditional Islamic dress that covers almost the entire body) in the classroom. In that case, the teacher lost in the High Court.


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War dead remembered 89 years on

November 11, 2007 Millions of people in the United Kingdom, Canada and many other Commonwealth countries observed two minutes silence in memory of the millions who died fighting for their countries during the First World War which ended exactly 89 years ago today.

The U.K. ceremony was held in Whitehall, London where wreaths were laid by the Queen, Duke of Edinburgh and many others including Prince William for the first time. Former Prime Minister Tony Blair and representatives from the Army, Navy and the Royal Air Force amongst others participated in the service which was watched by many thousands across the world.

Britain's oldest known veteran, Henry Allingham aged 111 years old, laid a wreath in France as part of the international ceremonies which are also taking place in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. The two minutes silence at the U.K. ceremony was marked by the firing of a field gun on Horse Guards Parade to begin and end the silence, followed by Royal Marines buglers, playing the Last Post.

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Glasgow to host 2014 Commonwealth Games
Glasgow in Scotland was today announced to be the host of the 2014 Commonwealth Games. The result which was announced in Sri Lanka was witnessed by thousands of people who had gathered in Glasgow to watch the announcement and resulted in "jubilation" in the streets.

Glasgow won the right to host the event after winning the vote 47 to 24 against Nigeria. The games will be held in July and August of 2014 and will last for 11 days with over 6000 athletes and officials expected to attend the event.

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The Apple iPhone has gone on sale today in Europe with many people queuing over night to buy the device. The cost of the device in the UK is £269 with a 18 month £35 contract which has caused major controversy. Many people have been unhappy with the decision by Apple to lock the phone to use one network exclusively and have been accused of being "anti-competitive". Many people have also un-locked the phone using un-official hack to circumnavigate the restrictions imposed on the phone, however Apple have said that this will void the warranty.

The launch of the product five months after its US release was marred by a Carphone Warehouse computer glitch which meant that credit and debt card transactions could not be completed.

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The UK tidal surge hit the East coast of England today, but did not cause as much damage as expected. Thousands of people returned to their houses after being evacuated last night to scenes of localised flooding. Meteriologists had feared that the wave could break the storm defences on the coast and lead to severe widespread flooding however 20 cm lower wave heights meant that this did not occur.

The Thames Barrier has re-opened after being closed last night in preparation for the event, however officials have been criticised by some local people for not doing enough to inform the residents and not giving them enough time to defend their property.

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Mukasey confirmed and sworn in as Attorney General for US

November 10, 2007 On Friday, Michael Mukasey was confirmed by the United States Senate as the next Attorney General, succeeding Alberto Gonzales. Mukasey took the oath of office with his family attending in a private ceremony that was administered by Assistant Attorney General Lee Lofthus.

The nomination of Mukasey, by President George W. Bush, hit a rough spot over the issue of interrogations, in particular about waterboarding. "This man has been a judge for 18 years,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein, who along with Senator Chuck Schumer provided the essential votes to pass Mukasey through the Senate Judiciary Committee. "Maybe he likes to consider the facts before he makes a decision." "I am not going to aid and abet the confirmation contortions of this administration," said Senator Patrick Leahy, who voted against Mukasey, in both the Committee and the Senate votes.

In a statement released by the White House, President Bush said: "I thank the Senate for its bipartisan vote confirming Judge Michael Mukasey as the Nation's 81st Attorney General. Judge Mukasey is a man of strong character and integrity, with exceptional legal judgment."


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Wikinews interviews You-peng Wang of Taipei Electrical Commercial Association

November 11, 2007 Besides becoming a political stomping ground for the Pan-Green and Pan-Blue coalitions, there are other changes from past years of Taipei Audio Video Fair (TAVF). With those changes in mind, Wikinews reporter Rico Shen interviewed You-peng Wang, chairman of the Taipei Electrical Commercial Association (TECA), the main organizer of TAVF, about the 60th year anniversary of TECA and the changes to the show.

Part 1: Yuanshan Hall in The Grand Hotel

Rico Shen: This show features exhibition at the twin halls, The Grand Hotel and Taipei World Trade Center, why did TECA decide to exhibit at these two halls?

Wang: In past years of TAVF, many participants promoted subwoofers, loudspeakers, and AV-media devices for sale, but some world-class Taiwanese companies may need good environment for the Hi-End experiences. As of this year, you can see some exhibitors imported a truck container house or rented a guest room for soundproof and high quality experiences and to serve senior AV-media consumers.

Rico Shen: Particularly the Hi-End quality is the best arrangement for TECA. Also, I sincerely congratulate TECA for the 60th year anniversary. By the way, what are the changes in Taiwan's AV-media industry?

Wang: In the past, some Taiwanese companies served as agencies and foundries for international manufacturers. They used original design manufacturers (ODM), manufacturing for other brands. Now, local brands and products (OEM) with good quality are increasingly marketed to the world, receiving praise by world-class professional media outside of Taiwan. We at TECA are proud of this success.

Rico Shen: In recent press conferences, some gaming and video companies cooperated with AV-media companies for high-definition and quality promotion. It caused some companies to become notable. What does TECA think about this trend and fashion? Does TECA support this way of promotion or cooperating?

Wang: We are extremely encouraged by our member companies who cooperate with different companies from the other industries like gaming, video, and information technology. I believe they've seen good factors at high-definition AV-media infrastructure in Taiwan.

Part 2: TWTC Hall (Taipei World Trade Center)

Before returning to TWTC, Wang mentioned on the effectiveness of soundproofing, after a visit to a container house, some exhibitors thought soundproofing to be a key factor when experiencing loss-less Hi-End sound and said: "We must provide the best experience and conditions to show the greatest performances of loudspeakers". The interview below mentions the "quality conception".

Rico Shen: At the 60th year anniversary of the TECA this year, besides of the twin halls exhibition, what's the reason for the feature of the "Global Audio & Video History Corridor" Pavilion at TWTC Hall?

Wang: If you're involved with the AV-media industry for the first time, you may not understand the evolution of its industry especially "old antiques". We made several old consumer AV-media players available to trace back on the history of the AV-media industry world-wide. And newbies (new consumers who just got involved with this industry) can learn the evolution of this industry by viewing the display of notable AV-media products from the past to the present. Rico Shen: I just forgot to say something at Yuanshan, because TAITRA and Taipei Computer Association (TCA) ever held "Exhibitors' Coordination of 2008 Computex Taipei" last month, and I interviewed Enoch Du, the Secretary General of TCA. Both of those mentioned the recent issue of traffic problems. With the twin halls' exhibition, how the TECA solve the traffic issue during the show?

Wang: We [TECA] submitted the traffic solutions to the Department of Transportation of Taipei City Government and applied the shuttle bus service to Metropolitan Transport Corporation (MTC) for the visitors' convenience to go TWTC or Yuanshan and back. During the weekend hours, MTC will supply more shuttle buses to decrease the waiting period. For the MRT stations, we decided to improve the MRT shuttle bus service at MRT Yuanshan Station rather than Taipei City Hall Station because Capital Bus Co., Ltd has served the Taipei 101 shuttle bus for a long period.

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Taipei Audio Video Fair in this year is different than the past years. It is not just a "local domestic show" but conjoined education with enjoyment so that the 2007 TAVF takes advantage of the show's contents. The quality of a show is more valuable than the results to keep its good image with the media and the public.


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Interviewed to Mr. Wang from TECA for some key features with the note below. I'll keep to translate this article continuously from Chinese Version. Brock contact... 08:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit
Hi, I did some copy editing. As usual, please make sure that I didn't accidentially change the meaning of anything. Oh, I wasn't sure about this sentence: "In the past, some of Taiwanese companies had agencies and foundries to international factories." The operative seems to be missing. What did the agencies and foundries do? Did they outsource to internatial factories? Or did they deliver to international factories? It isn't clear. Cheers,--SVTCobra 14:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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 * Agency = A Taiwanese company agented world-class company outside of Taiwan.
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 * OK, I think I understand, the Taiwanese companies served as agencies and foundries. --SVTCobra 14:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, you use the term "self-made brands" a couple of times. I don't think you mean self-made, as in a guy making a TV in his garage. Do you mean local brands, as in Taiwanese brands? --SVTCobra 14:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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Indian Socialist leader Jugal Kishore Raibir passes away

November 10, 2007

Jugal Kishore Raibir, the President of the Samajawadi Jana Parishad (Socialist People's Council) passed away at Sadar Hospital in Jalpaiguri,West Bengal on Tuesday November 6, 2007 after a three month battle with cancer. He was 60.

The funeral of Raibir, who was Prominent social activist was held on Wednesday evening. Condoling his death West Bengal Governor Gopal Krishna Gandhi said he was devoted to the cause of the have not.

Leaders and personalities from different parts of the country, including the Narmada Bachao Andolan leader Medha Patkar, expressed grief over the death. Thousands of people gathered at the Samata Centre, the residence of Kishore, who was very popular particularly among farmers and tea garden workers.

Leaders from across the political spectrum paid floral tributes to Jugal Kishore Raibir. Senior Socialist leaders like Vinod Prasad Singh, Yogendra Yadav, Shivapoojan Singh, Somnath Tripathi, Viswanath Bagi and thousands of people visited the Samata Centre to pay their homage.


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> It has been confirmed that the attack was not deliberately targeted to hit MacKay.

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Greek opposition party's members vote for president

November 10, 2007 (Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement) party members and voters will decide tomorrow for party's president, in a wide election throughout Greece. Almost one million party members, voters and friends of PASOK will gather in selected ballot boxes in all the main cities of the country to vote for party's leader, after the defeat of September 16, 2007, in the national elections.

The three candidates for PASOK's presidency are the current president and president of the George Papandreou, the MP and former   and the former Secretary of the party. Until now, opinion polls show that Papandreou leads the presidential race with around 2%–6% difference from Venizelos, but political analysts remain unsure in their predictions about the result of the elections.

Yesterday, the candidates concluded their pre-election campaigns with public speeches in Athens, and  respectively. Mr. Papandreou delivered a speech in Peristeri, west Athens while Mr. Venizelos organized a political fiesta with over 5,000 supporters of his, in his hometown Thessaloniki. Skandalides ended his campaign in his birthplace, the island of Kos.

PASOK, founded by the popular politician in 1974, was in government from 1981 to 1989 and from 1993 to 2004, dominating most of the modern Greek politics. Last September, the party was defeated in the 2007 parliamentary elections from the conservative New Democracy. Since then criticism and challenge on George Papandreou's leadership, by prominent members of PASOK such as Mr. Venizelos, has been increased


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Let me get this straight. An 18-year shoots up a school with a gun so Finland is going to toughen their laws to prohibit those people under 18 from buying guns. Right. So he would still have been able to buy the gun under the new law. I just love political logic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.117.89.116 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I deeply admire the Finnish decision to consider tighter restrictions on gun control after this event. It is responsible but without infringing on the rights of other citizens.

Every time something like this happens in England; there is some piece of knee jerk legislation that results in something else being outright banned. Pitbulls, handguns, semiauto rifles, hare coursing, fox hunting. It's all just so the government can been seen to be doing 'something' by the vocal (voting) majority. All the while, no thought is given to the time immemorial rights and liberties of the English citizen. Finland; land of liberty - I salute you.

When the dust settles and the legislation is passed there's never even any evidence that the changes have any positive effects. Criminals still have guns and knives, it's the law-abiding good guys that go without.

It is a kind of persecution as bad as any other. Just because the English minority of gun owners, pocket knife owners and hunters are not religious groups or racial minorities it's fair game to push them around to win votes. It makes me ashamed of my country. Shane.Bell 09:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * British Politics... "OMG! Something must be done... This is something, let's do it." --Brian McNeil / talk 09:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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Ancient volcano in Yellowstone National Park is rising

November 10, 2007 Recent satellite pictures of Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming from 2004 through 2006 are showing that an ancient volcano is starting to rise once again.

Molten rock is currently pushing up the remains of the volcano's caldera, which sits over the top of Yellowstone lake, but scientists are stressing that there is no immediate threat of an eruption or explosion. The molten rock field is estimated to be the size of the city of Los Angeles, California.

"There is no evidence of an imminent volcanic eruption or hydrothermal explosion. That's the bottom line. A lot of calderas worldwide go up and down over decades without erupting," said Robert Smith a seismologist from the University of Utah in a statement to the press.

The images show that between 2004 and 2006, the volcano's caldera rose 2.8 inches per year for a total rise of seven inches. This is the quickest rise ever observed from a caldera in Yellowstone since observations began in 1923.

Scientists are not sure how long the event has been happening and they are also not sure if the rise will cause an eruption in the distant future.

"Our best evidence is that the crustal magma chamber is filling with molten rock. But we have no idea how long this process goes on before there either is an eruption or the inflow of molten rock stops and the caldera deflates again," added Smith.

Volcanic activity in Yellowstone heats up underground water which create geysers of superheated water, and is responsible for the creation and continuous eruption of Old Faithful.


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I undid your revert, as calling Spears trash is not in compliance with a neutral point of view. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi,

Saw your comment on Sean Heron's user talk, and thought I'd add my welcome to Steven's above.

Good luck contributing to Wikinews, it can take a lot of getting used to if you're coming from Wikipedia. It is somewhat more anarchic and fast-paced. You are correct there is a tendency to allow the original author a degree of ownership over an article, but you should hop over here next time there's something like the London Bombings or Virginia Tech shootings. In times like those Wikinews is the way I'd like to see it all the time, buzzing with life. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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No offense taken.
Don't worry, I took no offense to your comment about Berni Mac having pneomia, I thought it was a bigger deal than it turned out to be. —Calebrw (talk) 18:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, the thought never crossed my mind. —Calebrw (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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Further to a discussion you had with another editor a while ago. Cheers, —Jayen466 (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Briefs/November 11, 2007

Goodmorning, it's Sunday, November 11 2007, I'm Michael Laurent bringing you this weeks headlines from Audio Wikinews.

=Headlines=

Mukasey confirmed and sworn in as Attorney General for US
On Friday, Michael Mukasey was confirmed by the United States Senate as the next Attorney General, succeeding Alberto Gonzales. Mukasey triggered a political row during pre-confirmation questioning, when he refused to state that waterboarding amounted to illegal torture. In the end, he was able to secure the key votes of two Democrats after assuring them that, if Congress passed legislation that made waterboarding illegal, he would in fact work to enforce such a law.

Pakistan lifts house arrest of former PM Benazir Bhutto
The government of Pakistan late on Friday has withdrawn the earlier detention notice and house arrest of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Police had served her with a temporary detention notice and ordered her to serve 30 days of house arrest. Bhutto has publicly announced that she will head a protest against the country's president, Pervez Musharraf, in an attempt to get him to resign as head of the country's military. A protest march from Lahore to Islamabad is scheduled for early next week.

Finland considers tougher gun laws
Finland is considering toughening gun legislation in light of this week's Jokela school shooting. Nine people, including the gunman, were killed when 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen went on a shooting spree at his local school. The perpetrator murdered his headmistress, school nurse and six students, as well as wounding one other victim, before turning his gun on himself.

Numerous toys with toxic compounds and design flaws recalled
The U.S Consumer Product Safety Commission has recalled more products over the last few days, due to excessive levels of lead and design flaws. Last Wednesday, a children's toy manufactured in Hong Kong was pulled off toy store shelves in the United Kingdom because it contained traces of a toxic compound related to gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, notorious for being misused as a date rape drug. At least 20 million toys are affected.

Glasgow to host 2014 Commonwealth Games
Glasgow in Scotland was announced on Friday to be the host of the 2014 Commonwealth Games. Thousands of people gathered to watch the announcement rejoiced in the streets of Glasgow. The Scottish city won the right to host the event after winning the vote 47 to 24 against Nigeria.

iPhone goes on sale in Europe
Also on Friday, the Apple iPhone has gone on sale in Europe. The cost of the device in the U.K. is £269. Many people have been unhappy with the decision by Apple to lock the phone to use one network exclusively. Critics labeled the move as being "anti-competitive".

Canadian defence minister escapes rocket attack in Afghanistan
Earlier Canadian Minister of Defence Peter MacKay just narrowly escaped a rocket attack by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Belgium still without government, new record set
After federal elections on June 10, 2007, coalition talks in Belgium have still failed to result in compromises on the main electoral issues. On Tuesday, a previous record from 1988 was broken after 149 days without a new government.

=Concluding remarks= This has been an Audio Wikinews Brief, which is freely available under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license. This has been Michael Laurent for Wikinews. Thank you for listening, and if you want to find out more about these and other current events, please visit www.wikinews.org.

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Comments:Muslim hair stylist sues hairdresser over alleged discrimination

The Stylist does not Cut her Own Hair.
Why should she have to show off someone else's work? ;) --Jigsaw (Talk) 03:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

They're both stupid.
The headscarf wearer is absolutely idiotic for playing the race card, or religion card, or whatever else, but the employer is stupid for having such a silly policy. Of course, the headscarf wearer is far less intelligent, but, regardless, EMPLOY THE CHICK, STOP SUING FOR STUPID REASONS, AND STOP PRETENDING YOU'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, YOU EASILY OFFENDED IDIOTS! RaphaelFaunus 03:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Who said anything about race? Seems to me we all know who the "less intelligent" one is here. And how can you know the headscarf wearer is "less intelligent"? We can all tell your the idiot. Who's pretending? And do you really know what an idiot is? You're using the term wrongfully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.136.217 (talk) 23:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Whilst I don't disagree with a lot of the second comment, I think it's reckless to criticise others intelligence when you mispell "You're" and then go on to use the word "Wrongfully" incorrectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.244.38 (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

UK gone crazy!!!
When i go to the hairdresser i can tell by her hair if she is good or not!! How would i check if she is wearing a scarf? If she hiding her hair why should she touch my own and others!!!!!! So now the hairdresser cannot decide who she wants to work with? Is it because muslim countries have loads of petrol that UK is avoiding scandals and allowing this? so now i can also sue any company for refusing to hire me because i am african even though they say diaguise it and say it is to comply by the law. The home office would carefully extend my visa for one year and tell companies they should in priority ( not to say only!!!) employ permanent residents, british or EU citizens only? Good for the stylist!!1 she might just take that as a profession! apply for jobs where she knows she cannot fulfil the requirements and then sue the company!!! Poor us!!! Keep up Wedge owner!! that is just bad luck and a funny system's mistakes!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.46.52 (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Australia completes inquest for victims of Garuda Indonesia Flight 200

Garuda Flight 200 08 November 2007
The rational outcome from the inquest: don't fly with Garuda. -Kimbat78 07:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Mukasey confirmed and sworn in as Attorney General for US

Like he doesn't know what water boarding is... what a tool.

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FFA to investigate crowd violence at Melbourne-Sydney match

November 11, 2007 Australian football's controlling body, Football Federation Australia, will launch an investigation into reported crowd violence at an A-League match between Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC on November 10.

The match at Telstra Dome in Melbourne, Australia, which attracted more than 30,000 spectators, ended in a 0-0 draw. According to reports from the Fairfax Media publications, fans threw seats at their rivals at the conclusion of the match.

It has also been reported that a number of Melbourne supporters "invaded the pitch and set fire to items on the field", also after the match.

Police were reportedly forced to react with capsicum spray to de-esculate the situation. Although Sydney fans had been relocated into an area separate from the home supporters, reports suggest they were provoked and retaliated by using the seating as projectiles.

Rob Abernethy, who was appointed head of A-League operations by the FFA, said that the governing body had requested reports from the Telstra Dome, the Melbourne Victory Football Club, as well as the police and security companies employed at the event.

Abernethy also condemned the alleged behaviour, questioning whether the people involved should be considered 'supporters'. "It is disappointing that a minority of so-called supporters may have behaved in an inappropriate manner", he said.


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Baseball teams from Taiwan and China were eliminated at 2007 Konami Cup Asia Series

November 11, 2007

It just wasn't their day for the two baseball teams on either side of the Straight, as China Stars and Uni-President Lions were both eliminated in a route at the Konami Cup 2007. The final of Konami Cup will take place between SK Wyverns and Chunichi Dragons.

Chunichi Dragons (Japan) vs China Stars (China)
For first 5 innings, the game was tied at 1-1. It was amazing that starting pitcher Jiangang Lu (China Stars) managed to shut down the Dragons' offense by only giving up one run. But Masahiro Araki broke the deadlock in the bottom of 6th by hitting a solo HR, thus making Lu losing pitcher of the game. The Dragons went on to defeat the China Stars with a final score of 9-1.

Uni-President Lions (Taiwan) vs SK Wyverns (South Korea)
This game would determine whether the Uni Lions or the SK Wyverns would qualify for the final after the Dragons defeated the China Stars. But SK eliminated all the suspense by scoring 13 runs in the first 4 innings. Even though the Lions' fielder Sung-sian Yang belted a solo HR, the SK Wyverns mercy-ruled their opponent with a score of 13A-1 and promptly advanced to a showdown with the Chunichi Dragons.


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Ulster Freedom Fighters to stand down at midnight; Northern Ireland

November 11, 2007 The Loyalist Ulster Defence Association (UDA) has announced that its paramilitary wing, the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), is to stand down all its "active service units" at midnight tonight, and their weapons are to be "put beyond use" but not decommissioned, and all military intelligence destroyed.

The announcement was made in a statement read out at a 1000-strong Remembrance Day parade in Belfast's Sandy Row district by Colin Halliday, a spokesman for the Ulster Political Research Group, which is associated with the UDA. He said that "The Ulster Defence Association believes that the war is over, and we are now in a new democratic dispensation that will lead to permanent political stability - but we believe the political parties and the political institutions are themselves still in a period of transition."

"In that context, the organisation intends to continue through a process of transformation that will ultimately achieve a Northern Ireland based on equality, justice and inclusivity where no sections of our people are left behind regardless of religion, politics or identity." He added that if loyalist rights or the union with Britain were threatened then the organisation would defend itself only by non-violent means. The statement also added that those who had joined the UDA's ranks for crime and self gain, including drug dealers, would be rooted out and that anyone who had information about crime should pass it on to the Police.

Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern welcomed the statement, describing it as "significant" and "a further step towards ending all paramilitarism in Northern Ireland".

During the Troubles, which ran from 1968 to 1998, the UDA/UFF is thought to have been responsible for over 400 deaths. The UDA's opponents, the Provisional IRA decommissioned its weapons in August-September 2005.


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Vanity Fair contributing editor Craig Unger on the Bush family feud, neoconservatives and the Christian right

November 12, 2007

In a recent interview with the Dalai Lama’s Representative to the Americas, Tashi Wangdi, David Shankbone remarked to him that Americans have trouble relating to centuries-long conflicts that exist between peoples around the world, including those in Asia. Many Asian countries dislike each other tremendously, and the conflict over Tibet is just one enduring multi-national battle.

According to Vanity Fair contributing editor Craig Unger, it is not that Americans do not have these deep-seeded conflicts; it is that they do not remember them and thus have no context in which to see them as they resurface in our political culture.

On the same day he spoke to the Dalai Lama’s representative, Shankbone sat down with Unger, author of The New York Times best-seller House of Bush, House of Saud. In his new book, The Fall of the House of Bush, Unger attempts to fill in some of the blanks of an epochal narrative in American politics. Using a mix of painstaking research, interviews with cultural and political leaders and delving into previously classified records to come up with some overview of how America has arrived at this particular political moment.

To make sense of such complicated history, Unger draws upon three themes: He illustrates the conflict within the modern Republican Party via the oedipal conflict between George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush. Things are not well within the House of Bush. Bush Jr. has not only shut out his father and his allies from his administration—something Bob Woodward discovered in his interviews with the President—but he also appointed many of his father’s bitterest enemies to key cabinet positions. Unger’s second theme draws upon this Bush family feud: many of Bush Sr.’s foes happen to be leaders of the neoconservative movement, who had been working against the President’s father since the 1970’s. Back then the neoconservatives did not have a base of political support within the Republican Party, which brings Unger to his third theme: the marriage between the neoconservatives and the Christian right to create a formidable ideological block. Unger is a Fellow at the Center for Law and Security at NYU’s School of Law. In addition to his work at Vanity Fair, he is a former editor-in-chief of Boston Magazine, and former Deputy Editor of the New York Observer. A journalist of the old school who believes in verifying his sources’ veracity, Unger illuminates the Republican Party’s ideological struggle between the old and the new and traces its history for those who do know it.

Unger disputes the recent assertion by  The New York Times that these forces are dead; they are thriving. Below is David Shankbone’s interview with Craig Unger about his book, The Fall of the House of Bush.

On the likelihood of an attack on Iran before the 2008 election
'''David Shankbone: Tim Wirth sent  David Mixner this article by Jim Holt in the London Review of Books, and Mixner sent me a link to it. It posits that the Bush administration has all along planned on having a permanent military presence in Iraq. Have you seen it?
 * Craig Unger: I skimmed this and I know the thirty trillion dollar figure.  What is astonishing about the neocons if you read them, is how little they mention oil.  You can characterize their plans as strategic dominance in the Middle East for the United States and oil is obviously a part of that.  I don’t know if Holt means it ironically or intentionally, but I think it is oversimplifying to say, “Oh, it’s exactly as they intended.”  Although there are people like  Michael Ledeen who say “Let’s turn it into a steaming cauldron”—those are his words.

 * I would never say things went exactly as planned. If you go back to the work of  David Wurmser, for example, they really believed that a Shia like Chalabi would take over Iraq and be pro-west and recognize Israel.  They talk about the Hashemite among the Shia in Iraq rising up and they hoped they would overthrow the mullahs in Iran.  Obviously, that hasn’t happened.

'''DS: You’ve written that Iran is definitely on the agenda for a military strike by the Americans.
 * CU: Oh, absolutely.  It’s possible it will occur under Bush, but if not and a Republican wins they will do it.  The neocons are in Giuliani’s camp, such as Norman Podhoretz and Daniel Pipes.

'''DS: If the neconservatives succeed, two years into the future where will we be?
 * CU: The biggest single question is Iran.  If we bomb Iran, they will immediately block the Persian Gulf.  The Strait of Hormuz is only about thirty miles wide and forty percent of the world’s oil goes through there.  Cruise missiles can easily hit Saudi oil facilities.  Oil will shoot to $200, maybe $300 a barrel.  At the pump it’s hard to calculate, but that would mean at $6 a gallon.  We currently have minesweepers in the Gulf, which suggests we are right there for that possibility.  That’s one of the scary things.  But it unleashes uncontrollable forces.  If you have the Saudis attacked by Iran you have the Sunni-Shia conflict erupting throughout the entire region.  There’s an inverse correlation between the price of the dollar and oil, so as oil goes up, the dollar goes down.  The dollar is already weak and would plummet accordingly, which would start a global recession.  There would be a global oil war during a period where we may be approaching peak oil—I know that concept is controversial—but its also at a time when China’s energy needs are going through the roof; their imports are going up as much as forty percent a year.  Their energy consumption is going through the roof, and the same with India.  We used to be the lone huge consumer and it didn’t bother anyone, but now there are real rivals out there.  And in geostrategic terms, we are getting in a weaker and weaker position.  If you look at the costs of the Iraq War, 4,000 Americans dead, hundreds of thousand of Iraq dead, four million refugees, hundreds of billions of dollars spent; but in geostrategic terms we are weaker off, Israel is much weaker, and the only beneficiary has been Iran, whose GDP has gone through the roof because of the price of oil has gone from $22 to $98.

'''DS: Are there any Republican front-runners that would not undertake an assault on Iran?
 * CU: The only one is not a front-runner:  Ron Paul.  I don’t think there is a single Republican who has tried to discredit Bush’s policies.   One of my concerns addressed in this book is I don’t want people to think, “Oh, the Bushs are gone, it’s all over.”  No, no, no.  We’re going to be paying for this for decades.  The Christian right and the neocons: that is the Republican Party today.  It transcends Bush.  Bush became the vehicle through whom they carried out their policies.

'''DS: So it could have been anybody but they ingratiated themselves with Bush?
 * CU: He was an ideal vehicle.  Partly he has a name that was identified with the old Republican establishment—

'''DS: And he wasn’t particularly well-informed, giving them an “in” to educate him?
 * CU: That’s for sure.  A lot of voters thought they were getting his father.  Wall Street Republicans thought of him as a moderate.  He used terms like “ Compassionate Conservative” that were perceived as moderate.  I have a chapter called “Dog Whistle Politics” where he’s speaking one language to the general public, and another to his base.  So compassionate conservatism is precisely that.  It really was a program for taking away the social safety net and giving it to right-wing churches.  It was a movement that was about anything but a liberal safety net.

'''DS: Within the United States, what are the neoconservatives and Christian right concerned will happen that could scuttle their agenda?
 * CU: The Democrats winning, obviously, which is one reason they might bomb Iran before the election.  That would change the dynamic of the entire election.  I think there are two possibilities: are they going to do it before the next election?  I don’t have the answer and I can’t predict it, but it would be a disaster.  It would change the dynamics of the election that they are soft on terrorism, they want to throw Israel to Iran—

'''DS: Would that still work after all this time?
 * CU: The Zogby Poll just showed 52% of Americans think we should bomb Iran. The media has not improved at all since the Iraq War, and 90% of Americans were behind that.  Part of the problem is that this jingoist stuff you might expect from Fox News, but when The New York Times becomes a mouthpiece for Dick Cheney, you then form a consensus in the national conversation and anyone critical is marginalized.

This history behind the Bush family feud
'''DS: Is there a movement within the Republican Party that is working against the fundamentalism in the party?
 * CU: I frame it in an almost oedipal way—the first chapter is called “Oedipus Tex”—and they have lost.  It was Bush Sr.  and his best friend Scowcroft against Bush Jr.  On the surface there were no words between them; they would play horseshoes and talk nice about their houses and Midland.

'''DS: Bob Woodward was astonished when Bush Jr. told him he had not spoken to Bush Sr. about the Iraq War at all. Do you come across what is behind that?
 * CU: First, George W. Bush was not the favorite son by a long-shot.  Jeb was, and even Neil was ahead of them.  But in 1994 you had George W. and Jeb running for governor of Texas and Florida, respectively, and exactly the reverse happened of what people expected: that George would lose and Jeb would win.  The opposite happened.  In 1998, George wins reelection and suddenly he’s a two-term governor of a very visible state who has positioned himself for the Presidency.  He knows nothing about foreign policy.  He had only left the country one time, which was to visit his daughter in Italy.  He had no curiosity about the world.  Bush Sr. decides they have to educate him about it, so they bring in Prince Bandar and Condi Rice and begin a series of seminars.  They are thinking the old guard—by that I mean Brent Scowcroft, Condi Rice,  James Baker,Colin Powell—will take charge; that is not what happens at all.   In late 1998 the neocons quickly move in, and you have Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Elliott Abrams making semi-secret trips down to Texas.

'''DS: That was to educate Bush? The Daily Show did this piece where they did a debate splicing Texas Governor Bush’s views of what he said when he was governor versus what he has said as President, and they are polar opposites. When he was governor he was saying we can’t go out nation-building.
 * CU: Right.  If you carefully, carefully examine what is happening, Richard Perle comes back from one of those trips and tells a breakfast meeting in 1999 that Bush is going to carry out their plan to overturn Saddam.  Bush himself says it in the fall of 1999 and says, “I’m going to take him out.”  Afterwards people call him on it and ask, “You’re going to take out Saddam?” and he gets criticized for it mercilessly.  He backs down and says, ‘No, no, I mean take out the weapons of mass destruction.”  He backs off and attacks Gore as you say, and says we are not going to do nation-building instead.  But he’s had these private conversations; Stephen Hadley tells these private fundraisers that Bush’s first priority is going to be to overthrow Saddam.  This is in early 2000.  I paid a lot of attention to the period just after the election was settled.  Some fascinating things happen—I wrote about this as a Salon expert; it’s a Wolfowitz story—the neocons realize if they want to carry out the Iraq War, they need to control the intelligence apparatus.  The perfect way to do this is to make Paul Wolfowitz the head of the CIA.

'''DS: What was the problem with the intelligence apparatus at that time that the neocons needed to take control of it?
 * CU: If you go back all the way to the mid-1970s, the neocons were distorting intelligence even back then.  They had an operation known as Team B.  From there I start tracing five neocons who are on the staff of Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson.  He was a muscular Democrat.  He was strong on labor, but a hard-line Cold Warrior who wanted to roll back the Soviet Union.  The neocons grew out of that.  His hero is Albert Wohlstetter, who was one of the models for Dr. Strangelove.  1976 is the era of détente, and the neocons hate this; they fear losing their favorite enemy, the Soviet Union.  They are saying the CIA is coming up with much too rosy of predictions and they don’t believe the intelligence.  Who takes over the CIA at this point?  George H.W. Bush.  They decide they have to go to battle against him and they form what is known as Team B, which starts an “alternative intelligence assessment.”  It effectively says the CIA is all wrong and that we have to redo their intelligence.  But Team B’s  estimates were completely inaccurate.  I go into considerable detail of how they vastly, vastly overestimated the power of the Soviet Union.

'''DS: How did they bring Team B into the present?
 * CU: What you see back then are events that prefigure the Iraq War to an enormous extent.  The key operatives in the White House then are the youngest Chief of Staff in the history of the United States, Dick Cheney; and the youngest Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.  They are siding with Team B.  Here you have thirty years ago the beginning of this alliance between Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Richard Perle.

Bush appoints his father's enemies to his Cabinet
'''DS: So Rumsfeld and Cheney are not seen as old Bush Sr. people.
 * CU: Rumsfeld is probably the bitterest, bitterest enemy of George H.W. Bush ever.

'''DS: Weren’t they considered part of the realpolitik school?
 * CU: Cheney was, but not Rumsfeld.  And Cheney was Rumsfeld’s protégé.

'''DS: What effect did it have on Bush Sr. that some of his bitterest foes were assuming positions in his son’s administration?
 * CU: He is famously nonresponsive on this, but James Baker spoke out.  What you see going on in December 2000 is that Bush Jr.’s team had decided on Indiana Senator Dan Coats for Secretary of Defense.

'''DS: I remember that mentioned.
 * CU: It was because he was against gays in the military.  What better qualification could one possibly have, right?  They first appoint Colin Powell as Secretary of State, and he has a press conference with Bush in which Powell is so dazzling that Cheney freaks out and says, “My God, Dan Coats will never be able to stand up to him!”  They need somebody more powerful.  They call in Donald Rumsfeld and James Baker warns Bush, “You know what this guy did to your father.”  Rumsfeld had sabotaged Bush Sr. again and again and again.  Bush had been considered a likely choice for Vice President under Gerald Ford instead of Nelson Rockefeller, and Rumsfeld kept him off the ticket.

'''DS: Why was there a dispute between Rumsfeld and Bush Sr.?
 * CU: It was ambition.  Rumsfeld had Presidential ambitions himself.

Paul Wolfowitz and the Office of Special Plans
'''DS: Coming back to current times, what continues to transpire in the formation of Bush Jr.’s 2000 cabinet?
 * CU: They want to appoint Wolfowitz head of the CIA.  Well, there’s a problem: he is dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, and he is allegedly caught having an affair with a female staff member.  He’s also allegedly having another extramarital relationship with another woman who had become more famous, Shaha Ali Riza.

'''DS: I believe Riza was called Wolfowitz’s “neoconcubine” by his critics.
 * CU: Yes.  To him, that relationship was the romantic embodiment of the neocon venture: he’s a secular Jew; she’s a secular Muslim.  He parades her on his arm at all the neocon events that season.  There’s one person who doesn’t like this situation:  Clare Wolfowitz, his wife of thirty years and mother of his three children.  She’s not happy.

'''DS: What does Mrs. Wolfowitz do about his extramarital affairs?
 * CU: She’s writes a letter to George W. Bush saying, ‘You can’t possibly make my husband head of the CIA because he’s a security risk,’—she has not commented on this, by the way—that ‘he’s a security risk not just because he has undisclosed relationships, but because one of them is with a foreign national, Shaha Ali Riza.’  This alleged letter I’m told was intercepted by Scooter Libby, who is Wolfowitz’s protégé at Yale and is to become Chief of Staff to Dick Cheney.  They are now very wary of putting Wolfowitz up for Congressional hearings; this could be a mess!  Instead, they call in Donald Rumsfeld and they see that if they are going to handle intelligence they are going to do it through the Defense Department.  This is where the Office of Special Plans gets created.

'''DS: So they decide to redo the entire intelligence apparatus for Wolfowitz?
 * CU: This is an alternative national security apparatus.  We spend $40 billion a year on intelligence and a great power has to have accurate intelligence.  So they put up disinformation pipelines to have the intelligence they want to back up their policies.

'''DS: What was the CIA’s reaction to this?
 * CU: They awaken to it bit by bit by bit.  The people in the CIA who were aware of it became incredibly angry and there were battles and some people who have spoken out about it are former CIA officials and defense intelligence people.  Patrick Lang, Ray McGovern, Melvin Goodman, Philip Giraldi, and so on.  I ended up with around ten people like that on the record.  The Defense Department was going ballistic. Rumsfeld and Cheney, in a stroke of bureaucratic brilliance, devise this way to hijack for the executive branch the whole national security apparatus.  They now can stop the bureaucracy when they want to, grease the wheels when they want to; for example, they put in Josh Bolton as under Secretary of State, who acts as a spy watching Colin Powell.

'''DS: Was Powell aware of this?
 * CU: Yes, and he didn’t act.  He could easily have fired Bolton.  He failed to act.

'''DS: Why?
 * CU: He has to answer for that and in the end it was moral cowardice or weakness.  The State Department has its own intelligence apparatus, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, and they were finding fault again and again with the intelligence that was coming out of the new Pentagon unit.  INR wanted to discredit Curveball, for instance; they wanted to discredit the aluminum tubes and the Niger documents.  So Bolton and his people forbade INR director Greg Thielmann from attending various key meetings.  Now you would think Powell would have stood up for his own intelligence unit, but he did not.  When it came to the week before the United Nations meeting in which he made his speech, Colin Powell could have had his people there.  He did call them to go over the material somewhat, but they were not present to argue out these points of conflict, and as a result, Cheney’s information got in.  When they were preparing for the UN meeting, all the intelligence data came from Cheney’s office and not from the CIA.

What the neoconservatives want
'''DS: What is the end goal with all of these machinations?
 * CU: You can see it in the neocon foreign policy papers that they have been writing as early as 1992.  The first one was a Defense Department policy guidance paper.  Cheney was Defense Secretary and he had under him Wolfowitz, Khalizad and Feith, key neocons who helped formulate this policy, which was considered so radical that Bush Sr. rejected it out of hand.  Then you see duplicity on Cheney’s part: publicly he sides with Bush Sr. and Scowcroft, who were very very deliberate.   One of the most important foreign policy decisions they made was to not topple Saddam.  They had a REAL coalition—unlike the one we have today—of thirty-four countries, eight of which were Arab who supported us throwing Saddam out of Kuwait.  They decided, and it was very deliberate, that if they went after Saddam and continued on to Baghdad they would ruin their coalition, alienate their Arab partners, and be mired in a quagmire forever.

'''DS: Saddam was so unpopular in the region; how did they foresee they would ruin the coalition if they rid Iraq of a very brutal dictator?
 * CU: American troops occupying an Arab country is a real, real problem, especially in view of Israel.  Notice they kept Israel out of it; they were not part of that coalition.  They handled it with certain dexterity and were much tougher on Israel, who was unhappy to some extent.  This is where you see enormous bifurcation.  Out of this comes the effort to sabotage the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.  The term “a clean break” comes out of a very important neocon policy paper called “A Clean Break from the Land for Peace Process.”  It means they are throwing that out, which is very interesting because that was official American policy, it was the Oslo policy, and it was even Israeli policy at that point.

'''DS: It still is.
 * CU: Theoretically, but they have sabotaged it so badly.  Netanyahu did not make good on a lot of the promises…

'''DS: Arafat didn’t—
 * CU: Arafat backed out.

'''DS: So what is the end goal?
 * CU: It’s a strategic vision of the Middle East.

'''DS: To control it?
 * CU: Yes, and they saw Iraq becoming at worst something like Jordan, which is a Hashemite Kingdom that is pro-west and reasonably nice to Israel.  We’d have military bases there and we’d have oil deals.  Iraq would be a beachhead from which we could go on to Iran.  And Iran is a great prize.  In 1996 Netanyahu comes to Washington, he’s presented with the Clean Break policy by Richard Perle, and a couple of days later he makes an address before a joint session of Congress and borrows from A Clean Break, but he adds a new country and says ‘the most important country in the region is Iran.’

'''DS: Was that a surprise?
 * CU: What’s interesting is that you start to hear the terms “Democracy in the Middle East” and “Democratization” and what you realize is that it’s not about democratization at all, it’s about strategic dominance of the region, and that’s what their policy has been about.

The Christian right and the neoconservatives
'''DS: In your book you talk about a confluence of social forces. You have the Christian right and you have the neoconservatives, who came together to assist each other in their agendas.
 * CU: Absolutely.  This goes way, way back.

'''DS: To the 1970s?
 * CU: Certainly to the 1970’s.  The Christian right is part of the DNA of America.  I go back to  English Puritanism, and you see  John Winthrop in the 1630’s saying, “We are starting a  shining city on a hill.”  Shining city on a hill means we’re the  New Jerusalem, we’re the new Zion.  America is the  Promised Land.  What we do is ordained by God.  This is  Christian Zionism.  It is a phrase that has never appeared in the New York Times, but it is an incredibly powerful force that is operative today.  It has been picked up by the Christian right and unites them with Israel.  It brings together the Christian right, the neocons and the Israeli right: Likud and Benyamin Netanyahu.
 * You see it come alive in the seventies. Prime Minister Menachem Begin, the first  non-Labor Prime Minister in Israel, called Jerry Falwell realizing that America is only 2.5% Jewish and they need a broader base.  About 30% of America is evangelical.   If you read the Bible, the Abrahamic covenant in Genesis where God says to, “ I give to you this land between the Euphrates and the Nile.”  If you believe in biblical inerrancy, as evangelicals do, then you have to believe, “I shall bless those who bless thee; I shall curse those who curse thee.”  That’s in Genesis, and I talked to Falwell and a lot of evangelicals.  I traveled undercover with Tim LeHay.

'''DS: Did they openly talk to you about these things?
 * CU: Yes, this alliance is not a secret.  What I do in the book is reframe the entire paradigm.  Everyone talks about “Islam vs. The West” and I say that no, it’s fundamentalism—and by that I mean Christian and Jewish fundamentalism, not just Islamic—against the modern, post-Enlightenment world, and it happens that our government is on the wrong side.  We are carrying out a fundamentalist foreign policy.

'''DS: How did the neoconservatives and Christian right come together?
 * CU: They play very different roles.  The neocons are an ideological vanguard and the Christian right is a mass electoral base.  You have a couple hundred thousand pastors who can bring them together.  The role is the way the unions used to be for the Democratic Party, for example.  You had Netanyahu calling Jerry Falwell, which I told you about.  You also have people like Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein who formed the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.  He has worked with a lot of the evangelicals.  It has been fostered by the Israeli right and the neocons.  I asked Michael Ledeen why he was on the 700 Club and he said, “It’s just we like to promote our views.”  People like Gary Bauer have participated in a lot of these policy discussions.  You have people like Tom DeLay proclaiming himself as a Christian Zionist openly, or Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.  They would say it’s not a political issue whether Israel should have this land, that it’s a biblical certainty.  This has to happen.

'''DS: It would seemingly take a lot of collusion between them. How does it work?
 * CU: The Christian right are not policy-makers in general, though there is a Council for National Policy.  Falwell told me it’s an umbrella group overseeing all these evangelical groups.  It has four or five hundred members and I list some.  They are the big honchos of the Christian right, and within that is a smaller group called The Arlington Group, which has about fifty people.  They were in regular contact with Karl Rove on a regular basis.

'''DS: Bush is convinced this is all God’s will?
 * CU: I go back to the Puritans for a reason because we are the new Zion and what we do is God’s will.  I have a very interesting quote by Rabbi Daniel Lapin, an Orthodox rabbi who met with Bush.  He says that Bush believes God has a mission for America and, “In that belief he is no different from the Founders who actually saw themselves replaying the Israelites crossing the Red Sea…”  When he speaks of the “Founders” he is not talking of Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine; he is talking about Cotton Mather and John Winthrop.  When you got to Liberty University you see the halls have portraits of the great Puritans as precursors of the evangelicals.   Yes, I believe that Bush thinks what he has done has been ordained by God.  He’s smart enough not to talk about it in those terms.

Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Christians
'''DS: You have a chapter about the assassination of Yitzak Rabin; how did that advance the neoconservative agenda?
 * CU: It’s one of the least understood events in contemporary history and it is really important in terms of our policy today.  Yes, it was done by this one right-wing Israeli, but it was ordained by Orthodox rabbis because Rabin was backing the land-for-peace process.  It’s parallel to the Sadat assassination by Islamic fundamentalists.  Rabin was breaking Halakhic law by supporting land for peace because it is divinely-ordained land.

'''DS: Are the Israeli orthodox Jews in touch with the Christian right in the United States?
 * CU: Completely.  And the neocons are a secular version of that, and you see it start coming together, and Netanyahu becomes one of the great backers of an alliance with the Christian right.  Michael Ledeen is going on Pat Roberton’s 700 Club shows.  You start to have this weaving together.

'''DS: What does the Christian right have to gain from this?
 * CU: It’s theological.

'''DS: The End of Days?
 * CU: Yes, Christ will not return until that land is given back to the Jews.  I try to draw this in the book.  People try to talk about the Culture Wars, Red State/Blue State.  But no, it’s much deeper than that.  It goes back to the founding of America and the Puritans, really.  I thought I grew up in a country that put a man on the moon, unraveled the human genome, that discovered DNA and invented the iPod, but no.  No western country believes so strongly in Creationism and that the world was born 6,000 years ago; that evolution is wrong.  This war is deep and profound and what’s happened now is the government is run by people who believe in dictating our policies based upon the Bible.

'''DS: This is so much material to be covered in just one book.
 * CU: Yes, because you can see it in the judiciary.  So many students come from Pat Robertson’s law school—

'''DS: They have a model of the Supreme Court for arguing these fights.
 * CU: Right.  So many of the people in the White House come from Patrick Henry College.  It used to be you went to the Ivy League.  Now they have people who are homeschooled by evangelicals because they didn’t want them to be poisoned by the secular public school system.

'''DS: Our society has always been complicated, but there are so many layers to this complex onion of a social movement that it must have been a challenge to articulate it in your book. We hold a lot of myths about our history.
 * CU: This book goes from biblical times to English Puritanism to espionage and intelligence battles at Langley to the Likudniks in Israel to the assassination of Rabin to the Deep South and the Bible Belt today.  You do see the same themes again and again.  I tried to do a narrative with three narrative lines: The rise of the neocons in the 1970’s; the rise of the Christian right, which goes back to Biblical times through English Puritanism and the founding of America to becoming a powerful force in American politics and taking over the government because they have a leader who is now President of the United States.  It’s important to understand that the Christian right thinks of Bush as a leader, or they have.  Although he certainly has lost credibility, the Christian right is not dead at all.  I would take issue with The New York Times in their cover story a week or so ago where they proclaim the death of the Christian right, which they do that same story time and again.

'''DS: Exactly, they recycle the same thematic stories over and over and that one has been written before.
 * CU: Right.  I also try to weave it through the father-son battle.  Although I have written critically of Bush Sr. in the past, he certainly is within the framework of the post-Enlightenment reason and reality-based world.  There is this quiet sub-rosa battle in which he uses intermediaries in the book like Scowcroft.  If there’s a tragic hero in the book, it’s Scowcroft, who is in a very delicate position because he doesn’t want to jeopardize his close friendship with Bush Sr.

'''DS: But Scowcroft is loathed by George W.’s administration for coming out against his foreign policy.
 * CU: Right, and now Scowcroft speaks out early and often.  He’ll see what’s happening and does what he can, but ultimately he fails.

'''DS: What does Bush Sr. think or say about Scowcroft’s public statements?
 * CU: They are still friends.  He rarely comments on them, and he doesn’t like to be called out about it.  There have been a couple of incidents that I open the book with, statements by Bush Jr. that have been perceived as digs at his father, such as saying “We don’t want to cut and run again.”

'''DS: Why would Bush Sr. not feel he has a moral obligation to the nation to make his feelings known to his son instead of keeping quiet and not speaking up?
 * CU: I’m wary of psychoanalyzing him, but I believe they don’t discuss it.  He’s come forth several times and said, “Look, why don’t you talk to Scowcroft or James Baker” and he kind of leaves it at that.  The Iraq Study Group report did have some earmarks of anger venting .  Scowcroft actually goes to Egypt and Saudi Arabia to get their support of the Iraq Study Group plan.  He also goes to Condi Rice, who is the last person from that world who seems to have real access to Bush, and talks to her about it.  She seems to sign on and at one point she says something like, “Well, when do you think we should do this?” and Scowcroft says, “Not we, you.”  She never really does anything; she never stands up.  She has become an enabler for the neocons such as Wolfowitz, who have convinced Bush to believe that we have to democratize the entire Middle East, topple Saddam, and only then can we deal with the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Of course, that’s absolutely disastrous.

'''DS: The neoconservative’s policies are so high-risk and there are so many things that could make it go even more wrong. Grover Norquist came out and said that nothing the supporters of the war said would happen with Iraq has happened, and that everything the critics said would happen has happened. If Mubarak suddenly dies in Egypt and that country erupts into a civil war, which is a scenario that is often discussed as likely, that would implode the region even further. How do they account for all these risks they are laying in the lap of the United States?
 * CU: I’m not sure I have a good answer for that, but I can say they are REAL ideologues.  It’s worth going back to their history and a lot of this stuff is toxic, third-rail stuff.  David Brooks attacked me as a conspiracy nut.  The point isn’t that the neocons had this weird Communist conspiracy or anything like that, but that they were trained ideologues and trained in ideological battles and sectarian disputes.  They purge people who disagree with them and work in an echo-chamber environment where they don’t admit any facts that contradict their preconceived ideas.  You see them operate as this ideological cadre.  They purged people in the State Department who were part of the Realist crowd, and I go into that.  They’ve had the same ideas for thirty years.

On the press
'''DS: What sort of reaction do you get to your work?
 * CU: That’s a good question.  The reaction to my previous book was actually terrific, but it’s interesting the patterns.  In Europe—England, Spain, The Netherlands—it was terrific and I am thought of as a reasoned Centrist.  I am not thought of as particularly left-wing in any way.

'''DS: You painstakingly researched this—
 * CU: I have over 2,000 footnotes there.  So in Spain my publisher, Planeta, is considered a center-right company and they made me the big book of their season.  In Europe I am considered a straight-ahead reporter.  In the United States I tend to be shunned by the mainstream media, almost completely, especially by the White House press corp.

'''DS: Who have lost almost all credibility with the public...
 * CU: But they are still there.

'''DS: We’re stuck with them.
 * CU: Right, but they haven’t changed, so I will get almost nothing from them.  This includes the supposedly liberal New York Times.  I deal with the press to a fair extent in the book; not as much as I would like because that’s a whole interview in itself.

'''DS: I interviewed Gay Talese, who had nothing but contempt for the Washington press corps. He feels they should be broken up and dispersed around the country to report on the federal government. Report on Washington from Denver, from Austin...national reporting from the states.
 * CU: It’s shocking the difference between the British and the Americans.  The huge part of it is the addiction to access.  It’s opportunism—

'''DS: You get to go to a party; you get to ride in Air Force One—
 * CU: Right!  “I want that interview with Donald Rumsfeld so I’m not going to do anything to alienate him by writing a story that is critical of him.”  And when you get that story you end up writing exactly what he tells you and it ain’t the truth.

'''DS: Just to be able to say, “I interviewed Donald Rumsfeld.”
 * CU: Right, you get front page and it helps you within your newspaper.  You’re considered a star at whatever publication there is.  That’s how the phony stories of WMDs got in The New York Times and other publications.  More than ideology, it was opportunism, careerism on the part of the reporters.

'''DS: Talese also said that the press is as much responsible for getting us into this war as are the people running it.
 * CU: Part of what I did with this book is I am explicitly critical of the American press corp., which has done a dreadful job of covering these issues. That in and of itself means they are less likely to cover you.  If you look at the national conversation it has a narrative.  The only place you can go to find an alternative narrative is Jon Stewart or Colbert or Keith Olberman.  But there’s almost nothing in the tradition of the old Walter Cronkite reporting.  It barely exists.  The other alternative voices are the international press, and the blogs.


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Talk:Chinese submarine "embarrasses" U.S. Navy

If someone wants to add a picture of the USS Kitty Hawk and one of the Submarine that would be nice, I don't know how. 76.64.160.46 16:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Old news
There are several indications that the Daily Mail recycled a story from 2006. This is a problem. --SVTCobra 17:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

All the sources refer back to the Daily Mail, making this a single source story, which is why single source stories are not allowed. --SVTCobra 17:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Okay, that's disturbing, but this has been published for a while, so maybe a correction would preferable. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I am not sure what the best course of action is but I brought it up on AAA. --SVTCobra 00:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * This is not the 2006 event, it is a newer recent event. citation 76.64.160.46 01:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That link proves nothing. In the first paragraph it says: "according to UK newspaper, Daily Mail". The Daily Mail is the only source for this, and it is becoming evident that they recycled a story from a year ago. Note how the Daily Mail fails to mention any date whatsoever. --SVTCobra 01:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, the last time this happened, the government commented on it. I'd be surprised that this would happen again and there were no government sources. Has someone tried to contact either the Daily Mail or the US Navy? That might help clear things up. JoshuaZ 01:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * At the Daily Mail they have a "comments" option, where I asked them if this was from a year ago. Comments there are "reviewed" before they post them. They chose to neither post my question nor answer it. At least so far, but no, I did not call them or take any other more drastic action. --SVTCobra 03:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have put a correction on the article, but tried to word it so it says it may be/could be one year old. I havent said definately either way, but we can reword once we get confirmation either way. On another note, if this is new, isnt it funny it happened again one year later? A bit of an embarassment to the US navy. Matt/TheFearow | userpage|contribs 20:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Is anyone going to investigate this further? Maybe the best way is to mail the US Navy and the Daily Mail. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I sent an e-mail to the Daily Mail yesterday. They have not gotten back to me. They also disallowed the question in their commentary section. The Daily Mail also uses comments like "this is a wake up call" and "U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this". How could that be if the same exact thing happened last year? And this story, which claims to have gotten comments from Nato officials and reports shaken US officials approaching Beijing (all while every other news outlet pays no attention, btw), yet it does not mention the incident in 2006! I don't think that there is any doubt that this is a recycled story. It should not be run with that little disclaimer at the top. It should be retracted completely as it was single source to begin with (and continues to be). --SVTCobra 15:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete appropriate?
? --Remi (talk) 23:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:13, 1 September 2013 (UTC)