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Dell joins Microsoft-Nortel VoIP Team

October 20, 2007

Dell Inc. announced on Tuesday that it will partner up with the Microsoft-Nortel Innovative communications alliance (ICA) team to sell Unified Communications and VoIP products.

The announcement on Tuesday the 16th of October 2007 includes Dell selling VoIP, data and wireless networking products from Nortel and the Microsoft Office Communications Server 2007 and other unified communications products.

The partnership with both manufacturers should allow Dell to provide a pre-integrated solution.

In March 2007, competitors IBM and Cisco announced they would join in the competition for developing unified communications applications and the development of open technologies around the unified communications and collaboration (UC2) client platform an application programming interfaces (APIs) offered by IBM as a subset of Lotus Sametime.

"We want to make it simple for our customers to deploy unified communications so their end users can get access to all their messages in one place – whether its e-mail, phone or mobile device. This will pave the way for more business-ready productivity tools," said vice president of solutions, Dell Product Group, Rick Becker.

 * Customers have four options:
 * Core Office Communication Server 2007 – provides instant messaging and on-premise Microsoft Live Meeting.
 * Office Communication Server: Telephony – enables call routing tracking and management, VoIP gateway and public branch exchange (PBX) integration.
 * Audio and Video Conferencing – allows point-to-point conference, video conference and VoIP audio conference.
 * Exchange Unified Messaging – provides voicemail, e-mail and fax in Microsoft Outlook, and anywhere access of Microsoft Outlook Inbox and Calendar.

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The time is 6:15 UTC and this an Audio Wikinews Brief for the weekend of Sunday, October 21, 2007.

Thousands flee renewed violence in Congo
Thousands of civilians fled their homes on Saturday amid fierce fighting between local militias and Tutsi-dominated rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, according to the U.N. peacekeeping mission there.

Congolese Army Colonel Delphin Kahimbi said that "very violent attacks" had been reported, and that the fighting was between local militia known as Mai-Mai and rebels loyal to renegade Tutsi general Laurent Nkunda. Major P.K. Tiwari, a military spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping mission, said the fighting "started early this morning and ended late this afternoon." Tiwari said it was not clear who had attacked first.

Blast kills 8, injures 126 at a mall in Manila, The Philippines
Friday's explosion which rocked an upscale mall in the main financial district of the Philippine Capital Manila is under investigation. The explosion damaged the Glorietta Mall in the financial district of Makati and killed at least 8 people and injured at least 126 people.

Authorities ruled out the possibility of a liquid petroleum gas leak and said that a bomb could be the cause of the explosion because the ground investigators say the blast site smelled of gunpowder. Some police intelligence sources say they found traces of C4 explosives at the blast site.

Mass suspensions and relief of duties after US B-52 flew with armed nuclear missiles
According to Pentagon officials, nearly 70 United States Air Force personnel and high ranking officials have been relieved from command and or duty after an incident on August 30 when a U.S. B-52H bomber plane flew from Minot Air Force Base located in North Dakota to Louisiana with six armed AGM-129 ACM nuclear missiles attached to its wings.

The missiles were to be taken to Barksdale Air Force Base to be taken out of commission, but were not supposed to be transported on the plane. Instead, the missiles were placed on the planes wings, along with six "dummy missiles," before it took off from Minot AFB. The air force says that this was a "serious error" on the part of the military, and is launching a formal and ongoing investigation.

So far, the investigation states that the missiles loaded onto the plane were supposed to be inspected by looking through a portal on each missile, where a code would determine whether or not the missile was armed or a dummy. The inspector who loaded the missiles onto the plane only looked under the wing where the armed missiles were located and the plane's navigator also failed to perform a proper inspection.

U.S. air force officials state that there was no threat of a nuclear explosion had the plane crashed, but that a radiation leak was possible.

Half of life could go extinct by century's end, warn eminent biologists
In a "fireside chat" at Yale University on Wednesday, prominent naturalists Edward O. Wilson and Peter H. Raven predicted dire consequences for the planet's biodiversity and habitability unless current trends in consumption and environmental degradation are reversed. The two scientists were awarded the Addison Emery Verrill Medal by the Peabody Museum of Natural History for their contributions to natural science before a capacity crowd at Yale's Sprague Hall. Both are known for their environmental activism as well as extensive research and popular writing.

US stock markets tumble on 'Black Monday' anniversary
Some say history tends to repeat itself. Saturday marked a day in history, when 20 years ago, the United States Dow Jones Industrial Average market crashed, on what is known as 'Black Monday'. The crash sent the market tumbling down 508 points, losing nearly 24%. On Friday, the Dow Jones nearly broke that record when the market closed at -366.94 points, down almost three percent.

Several factors could be to blame for the loss, one being Turkey's government approving a measure on October 18 to send Turkish troops into Iraq and the fears over the U.S. housing market which has caused Caterpillar Inc, a leading construction equipment company to issue a warning that the standstill would cause profits to drop, resulting in the American economy to be severely hurt. On Friday their stocks lost nearly six percent to close at $73.57.

South African reggae star Lucky Dube shot dead in attempted carjacking
An attempted carjacking Thursday evening in Johannesburg has left famous South African reggae star Lucky Dube dead. He was dropping his children off in the suburb of Rosettenville when he was attacked.

Police said that three gunshots were fired through the car window, injuring Dube. His children were out of the car at the time. An injured Dube then attempted to drive his car away from the area, but hit a tree soon after. He died at the scene. The police suspect that three people were responsible for the attack.

There has been an outrage in South Africa and around the world over the killing. Many radio stations were flooded with calls from tearful fans condemning the attack. Lucky Dube was one of the most prominent and influential reggae artists of his time - often remembered alongside Bob Marley for his songs on social issues.

Man throws red paint in Roman Trevi fountain to protest film festival
To protest the 15 million euro budget of the RomeFilmFest, a man on Friday threw a bucket of red paint into the famous Trevi Fountain in Rome, before fleeing the scene. The water in the fountain turned complete red for a while, before technicians were able to cut off the water supply, let the dye wash out, and then replace it with fresh water.

Pamphlets by a previously unknown group called ATM Azionefuturista 2007 were found near the fountain, protesting the budget the festival was awarded which the group protested as inadequate to merely a red carpet event.

South Africa defeats England 15 - 6 to win the 2007 Rugby World Cup
And finally in sports, South Africa has beaten England 15-6 in the 2007 Rugby World Cup Final at the Stade de France or Stadium of France in Saint-Denis, France.

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Cry Justice for Lucky Dube's death
20 years after “Cry Freedom”, the world must now Cry for Justice in South Africa. The suspicious death of Steve Biko while detained by police, raised the consciousness of the world to the inhumane and brutal aspects of Apartheid. The release of the movie in 1987, helped the world call for the dismantling of Apartheid and marked the turning point of the fight for freedom in South Africa's history. 20 years later Lucky Dube’s slaying should draw attention to menacing crimes in the nation. From the different accounts of Dube’s death, it appears that the individuals were on a mission to assassinate him than the carjacking and hijacking reasons in circulation. People around the world must pressure the South African government to find his killers and bring them to justice. Unless the Mbeki’s regime can implement measure to considerably reduce the high crime rate in South Africa within 12 months, the international community must think about boycotting the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Nigeria lost the right to host the world’s beauty pageant after the story of Amina made headlines around the world. A government that cannot guarantee the safety and security of ordinary citizens cannot possibly look after the safety and security of thousands of people from around the world. It is an international risk that must concern the world leaders. Mbeki has the tendency to downplay the significance of crucial issues. The world needs tangible answers and not a brush off from his administration in addressing safety and security concerns especially in light of the 2010 World Cup.

car hijacking is continuing sort of activity which SA is not giving a proper sentence because from Lucky Dube's killer all were supposed to learn a lesson. how many people do you think the same guy killed before he shot Lucky Dube?


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First non-white Governor elected in Louisiana in over 100 years

October 21, 2007 On Saturday, it was announced that the first non-white Governor had been elected for the State of Louisiana in the United States in over 100 years. He is also the youngest Governor ever elected in Louisiana.

Bobby Jindal, 36, an Indian-American and Republican, won the election receiving 54% of the votes, with the nearest opponent, Walter Boasso having only 18% of all votes.

"Let's give our homeland, the great state of Louisiana, a fresh start. They can either go quietly or they can go loudly, but either way, they will go," said Jindal during his victory speech. He plans to improve education throughout the state and cut taxes.

The local and statewide results from Louisiana's primary election yesterday have cast doubt upon the theory that the Republican Party was injured politically from the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Jindal will be sworn in as the fifty-sixth Governor of Louisiana on January 14, 2008.


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Something's up with this, and the one from the 19th.

This one seems to be causing the Category for the day to show up on the main page. Category for the 19th has a list of loads of templates.

Please document what the problem was. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I have no idea why its doing that, it wasn't in the other articles. Perhaps when I added certain Categories as per your suggestion it did. No problems I have seen. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 05:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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2007 Alcon Taiwan Hiking focuses on reducing computing hours

October 21, 2007

After "Taiwan Orbis & Standard Chartered Bank Charity Walking" last week at Guandu Nature Park, the main organizer Alcon Taiwan held a hiking activity with "Love Your Eyes Without Computing" topic at Taipei Municipal Fude Elementary School and Tiger Mountain Trail in Taipei City, Taiwan. This is the third year Alcon Taiwan held a similar activity after hiking last year and 5KM running around Taipei City Hall two years ago.

At the Press Conference two weeks ago, Alcon Taiwan announced a questionnaire about "Acknowledgment on Eye-Caring and Eyes for PC Screen in Taiwan". According to the questionnaire, lots of people especially younger people watched PC screen more than seven hours and caused a bad phenomenon in Taiwan. That's why Alcon Taiwan named this hiking activity slogan as "Love Your Eyes Without Computing". Alcon Taiwan hoped people in Taiwan can reduce computing hours and rest appropriately.

The main organizer invited Taiwanese famous entertainer Sun Peng and Di Ying supporting and named as "Eye-Caring Ambassadors". Sun mentioned on restrictions and policies with his family to keep a good eyesight at their family. He hoped his children have a bright future with a good eyesight.

"With a serious condition on red-eye symptom in Taiwan, lots of people may have a worse result without correct treatments and acknowledgments, if anyone affected this symptom, that one should go to hospital for the treatment with medical professionals", Sheng-mou Ho (Minister of Department of Health, Executive Yuan of R.O.C., Taiwan) remarked. "The ages of nearsightedness people is progressively decreasing, it caused diopters of younger people increasing progressively. Parents should tell their children about correct acknowledgments on eye-caring for their future."

After the hiking activity, organizers and sponsors set gaming and eye checking-up booths for participants and also held seminars to provide the how-to with good eyesight keeping. In the main stage, not only shows and performances, the organizer also held a creative modeling show to encourage participants absorbing good nutritions for a good eyesight.


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Wildfires burn in southern California

October 22, 2007

Los Angeles Area:
Wildfires in Malibu, California, USA have forced the evacuation of the campus of Pepperdine University, as well as several celebrity homes, and more than 250,000 people in San Diego County; after more than 250,000 acres burned in Southern California. High winds and low humidity in the area have only helped to strengthen the fire.

Additionally, firefighters are currently having a difficult time getting in to Malibu, as the only road that leads in to the area is the Pacific Coast Highway, which often sees heavy traffic, although it has been closed between Kanan Road and Topanga Canyon Boulevard. Currently, 700 firefighters are working on fighting the blaze. The fire has burned about 4400 acres so far and 15 homes have been lost, however there have been no reported injuries or deaths. The Los Angeles County Fire Department reports the blaze is 15% contained, with 100% containment predicted by Friday, October 26. Other Los Angeles County wildfires are burning in Agua Dulce (~10,000 acres), Chatsworth, and Castaic.

San Diego County:
San Diego, California, USA fires are burning at Witch Creek and at Potrero in San Diego County. The Witch Creek fire, as of 5:50 AM PDT Monday, has burned 8000 acres, and has merged with another fire near the San Diego Wild Animal Park. The city of Ramona, California, USA is under mandatory evacuation and authorities have ordered evacuations in Rancho Bernardo, California, USA and Poway, California, USA as the fires surge west. So far, over 250,000 people have been evacuated in San Diego County.

Additional fires are now being reported in Fallbrook, California, USA and San Marcos, California, USA. The San Diego County Office of Emergency Services (OES) advised residents north of state Route 56, south of Del Dios Highway, west of Interstate 15 and east of Interstate 5 to evacuate, as of 8:32 AM PDT Monday. Since Del Dios Highway is a short north-south segment, it is not clear what OES' intended northern boundary was. Qualcomm Stadium in Mission Valley is opening as an evacuation center.

As of 7:32 a.m. PDT Monday, authorities are reporting 18,000 acres burning in San Diego County, with 0% containment.

As of 10:16 a.m. PDT Monday, 250,000 people have been evacuated from their homes. Rancho Santa Fe, California, USA was ordered emptied, while dozen of homes were on fire in Ranch Bernardo, California, USA.

As of 10:32 a.m. PDT Monday, the CHP advises that Interstate 15 is still closed in both directions between state Route 78 and state Route 56

As of 1:45 p.m. PDT Monday, evacuations were ordered for Scripps Ranch, California, USA, specifically "Everything south of Scripps Poway Parkway, North of MCAS Miramar, East of Interstate 15, West of Highway 67." This evacuation comes almost four years to the day after the Cedar Fire of 2003.

Orange County:
In Orange County, a 3800-acre fire is burning in Silverado Canyon.

California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has declared a state of emergency.

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2007 Hope Parade in Taiwan inconjuncted with creation and environment awareness

October 21, 2007 With resource reusing, environmental awareness, and creations, Jane Goodall Institute Taiwan held "2007 Hope Parade" in Taiwan and lots of environmental volunteers, community colleges, and charity organizations (approximately more than 10,000 people) participated this parade walking from Taipei Municipal Hsing-an Elementary School to Ketagalan Boulevard with some materials showing the presence of five continentals.

"To respond with theory of 'Roots & Shoots' by Dr. Jane Goodall, 'Roots & Shoots Program' in Taiwan has been promoted for a long time with the living quality improving and environment awareness valuing." Hau Lung-pin (Taipei City Mayor) remarked at Opening.

According to the organizer, this parade is originally founded with some communities in Xizhi, Taipei County. To expand the global view of environment respect, this parade is chosen at Taipei City to show the particularity and differences of creatures which should be cared by common people.


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2007 Major League Soccer Playoffs: New York Red Bulls vs. New England Revolution

October 28, 2007

New York Red Bulls and New England Revolution played to a 0-0 draw in Leg 1 in the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals.

New York had greater possession in the 1st half and had a ten shots in the opening half while New England only had 2. New York thought they had a penalty shot when the ball deflected off Avery John's arm in stoppage time. However, the referee disagreed and called a foul in favour of New England.

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2007 Major League Soccer: Chicago Fire vs. Los Angeles Galaxy

October 21, 2007

Both teams entered Sunday's match with a seven-game unbeaten streak to give them the chance to take the final playoff spot. In the end, Chicago Fire beat Los Angeles Galaxy to take the last playoff spot.

Chicago Fire controlled the game as they outshot Los Angeles Galaxy 22-5. Los Angeles Galaxy recorded just a single shot on goal which came early in the 1st half. Chicago Fire poured the shots until the scored the winner in the 93rd minute to score the eventual game winner.

The loss for Los Angeles Galaxy eliminates them from the playoffs as Chicago Fire will play DC United in the 1st round of the playoffs.


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This reads like a press release, doesn't as a consequence meet NPOV. We don't do cheerleading. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Brian, thanks for taking the time to look at this news, I have remove the cheerleading words. Is this how the article should look? HammondJr 19:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


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Original Reporting notes
Interviews conducted in person on October 3, 2007. --David Shankbone 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Curious
Does anyone besides David Shankbone do interviews, by the way? Contralya 19:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some people specialize in interviews, some just write from news. I have written a few great interviews, but I find that interviews take time and a lot of patience. I like to write one every so often, but they can be very stressful. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * category:Interview has a list of interviews. While a fairly significant portion are written by David Shankbone, especially recently, there are also interviews by others. For example, eloquence did "Avast ye scurvy file sharers!": Interview with Swedish Pirate Party leader Rickard Falkvinge which is one of my favourites. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And don't forget about Brian's interview with Tony Benn, who was featured in Michael Moore's film Sicko: Wikinews interviews: Tony Benn on U.K. politics.  --David Shankbone 20:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And I've done two, one with Florence Devouard (chair of Wikimedia Board), and one with Sarah Feldman of the Sit Here project. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 21:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Featured in Sicko? What? We need to start really promoting our successes. To have a wide-release documentary quote us is unheard of, we should be promoting this beyond belief. Can anyone fill me in on the details of how the interview was used? Was it an on-screen pull-quote, or did it use the OGG sound file?
 * Anyway, on the main topic, I've done dozens of "passive interviews", essentially just a bulk interview tactic, sending the same questions to hundreds of people in an election. --  Zanimum 14:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Tony Benn was featured in Sicko, not the interview. --David Shankbone 14:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I had hoped to turn an interview with Tony Benn into a situation where I could ask for his comment on various stories. I may have a go at that again at some point in the future, but I think an issue that should be considered is asking people if we can email them later if we want their opinion on an event or story. The New Zealanders are probably the closest to organised on that front. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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After I posted a short request on David's page I'll do it here as well.

If anyone should create further work in this field, it would be absolutely great to have further images on BDSM related equipment and atmospheric photos of dungeons without any people on them. Most language versions of wikipedia, including :en, are in need of high quality images for the related articles. 91.12.192.130 09:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


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Kimi Räikkönen wins 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix and the 2007 Championship

October 21, 2007 Ferrari driver Kimi Räikkönen wins the FIA Formula-1 2007 Grande Prêmio do Brasil at Autódromo José Carlos Pace, São Paulo, Brazil. Iceman smiled on the first place of the podium as the 2007 Championship in full went to his team. Finally, the highly controversial and enthralling 2007 season came to an unexpected close. It was Ferrari who catched the Constructors' championship at Belgian Grand Prix from McLaren team and now ended their drivers domination.

The weekend starts by Felipe Massa won the pole position, proving himself able to win his home race for the second time since 2006. McLaren Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton showed second result aiming to secure his first place in the championship.

Still, the start became just a first nuisance for Lewis, when Massa and Kimi together closed the gate for him and in the next turn his teammate Fernando Alonso obviously denied Lewis to pass him, and the English driver went out in the field. Lewis rolled back, but after eight laps suffered a bigger problem with his gearbox losing even more positions.

It became clear by that time that not only Fernando, but even Kimi, has a chance to win the season. The possibly last word was said by Massa, who returned from second pit stop to give up the lead to Kimi. Some flying laps by the Finn and he secured his win of the race.

Lewis was also flying though. Like Michael Schumacher chasing Alonso in 2006 he overtook a number of drivers as McLaren changed his flight plan to three pit stops. But this was actually not enough to prevent Kimi of winning the season with 110 points, only 1 crucial point ahead both Alonso and Hamilton (109 pts).

The closing stages of the race saw a battle of Nico Rosberg's Williams-Toyota car with both BMW Sauber, German driver stayed in front of Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.

Lewis finished only 7th in one lap behind the leader. Top eight closed by Jarno Trulli's Toyota, last driver who was overtaken by no more a rooky Hamilton.


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Interesting and pretty funny -Spacehusky 18:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

BDSM dungeon as news
Really?  This  is what wikipedia considers "News" enough to make a headline?
 * Sure; with Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and headlines about Michael B. Mukasey such as Is It Torture? The Nominee Won’t Say, why wouldn't an examination of BDSM and torture in the popular culture be appropriate? --David Shankbone 20:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is Wikinews...not Wikipedia :) And I think its a GREAT interview...this should bring in some readers. I like to have something a bit controversial every now and then. :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe - at least they don't waterboard at Rebecca's Hidden Chamber... --David Shankbone 20:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A- The justifications that the article will "bring in some readers"; or that "you like to have something controversial every now and then" is appalling. This article (and other recent articles on Wikinews' front page) may be news, but they are becoming father and farther from journalism.  Kind of justifies Colbert's concept of "truthiness".
 * B- There is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between BDSM and torture...see their respective wikipedia articles.  Kind of like the difference between Wikinews and CNN; or between reuters and Fox News.   Appalling!
 * C- D Shankbone's articles are getting less and less relevant and appear more and more to be in the vein of Michael Musto (as in: focused more on making himself a larger celebrity than on reporting). Tedious and cowardly.  Welcome to the world of Coulter.

 * It sorta figures an interview like this would be coming from David Shankbone. The trouble with interviews is they let the writer decide what is a worthy subject matter for an interview. Anyone could interview their next door neighbor about a dead and unsightly tree on their lawn. Under existing circumstances, this would be Main Page stuff, huh?, (a dead tree) ((maybe even 2nd lead)).

 * Ahem. I'd like to take this one on:
 * A- wikinews has always been a far weaker cousin of the the unstoppable juggernaut that is WikiP, anyone who disagrees is probably fairly consumed by Australian and New Zealand sporting events or maybe Canadian politics. I can only speculate that Americans are always fighting the hypnotism and manipulation by our beloved television "news."  I would concede that this article did not strike as deep a rapport as previous interviews, but it did shine a bright light on a phenomenon which is almost entirely misunderstood by the mainstream.

 * B- Duh. (excuse me) Granted, bit of difference between being tortured while imprisoned with little or no protective rights, and forking over a considerable chunk of money because of a consuming desire to be "tortured." Don't see the point here.  What's really appalling is how little understanding there is about this activity.

 * C- Here's where we find the largest disagreement. After a couple of years of reading  Wikinews, Shankbone appeared out of nowhere, and started cranking out these interviews one after the other.  The first one I met, I was surprised and thought it was self-promotion... for the interviewee, not the interviewer.  It was John Vanderslice plays New York City: Wikinews interview, a guy whose name rang a bell, but didn't know anything about.  I liked the guy, in fact reading that interview made my day, interesting informed opinions from a sharp musician who'se been around.  Now when I run across his music, I'll be eager to hear it.  I was singularly impressed with the way Shankbone seemed to get at the best this guy had to offer.  I can hardly keep up with the volume he's putting out here, but after several of these interviews, I think more like a new Charlie Rose or Bill Moyers.  Truthiness?...that Coulter...thing?  Time to change the meds friend.  I only hope he'll keep dumping these gems here before someone like Vanity Fair picks him up.  Just my not-aways-quite humble opinion.  -  Zaz 12:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * My response A-Perhaps Wikinews is the far weaker cousin because it puts these articles on the front page, not the other way around (that it's putting these articles on the front page because it's a weaker website). Previous recent interviews have not struck me with such a "deep rapport" either.  (and, believe it or not, I'm American and I don't own a TV)
 * My response B- "How little there is about this activity"? "Misunderstood by the mainstream"?  Is your head  that far  up your butt?  Hate to break it to you, but the Abu Gharib and Gitmo events are not what is stirring up all the BDSM activity.  As long as there has been recorded human history, there is documentation of BDSM activity and interest.  And believe me, it is PLENTY understood.  There is nothing in this article that is new or fascinating or revealing.
 * My response C-Dear God, please let Vanity Fair never have such trivial and uninteresting articles. Page 6 of the NY Psot, maybe.  Let the tabloids have him.  And just because he alerted you to an interesting musician does not mean he has anything qualifying him to make himself a quality reporter.  You said it yourself: Shankbone is producing volume, not quality...and then you wonder why Wikinews isn't as strong as WikiP.  Yes, "truthiness".  See Wikiality#Wikiality.  Yes, Coulter: someone who writes for the sake of self-attention and fame rather than honest journalistic integrity.  You're right about one thing, though: I would also call what he's doing with these interviews "dumping" them out.

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While I appreciate User:74.72.52.245's musings and attention, what he writes are simply that: just musings. He offers nothing in support to back up his contentions, and there is evidence to the contrary. Wikinews is the "weaker cousin" of Wikipedia for obvious reasons: Wikipedia garners far more media attention and is far more comprehensive; Wikipedia filled a void that existed on the Internet; Wikipedia has an army of users. Saying we should limit the scope of what we cover on Wikinews sounds counterproductive if our goal is to find more readers and, eventually, contributors.

Regarding my own interviews, I can tell you the response I receive is overwhelmingly positive. However, I certainly didn't undertake the interview project with the notion I wouldn't have any detractors (such as yourself). Stating the impetus for a story--torture in the news--is not the same as saying the two are synonymous. that said, my unpublished interview with the mistresses of the dungeon confirmed that Nazi/Dirty Jew role-playing scenarios are typical (cliche, even). So, there's an example of a War trickling down into the popular culture for you. This story, in particular, is practically one-of-a-kind on the Internet. It is exactly the kind of story we should be aiming for if one of Wikinews's goals is to supply readers with stories and perspectives they can't find in other places. If you have links to comparable stories, I'd be interested to read them - I'll let you do the research there.

Last, out of the top twenty most read news stories on Wikinews, there are five that I wrote. The list counters claims by you of a one-sided focus and illustrate the broad variety of topics and people I cover: 9	Sam Brownback on running for President, gay rights, the Middle East and religion 10	Drug-resistant staph deaths surpass AIDS in the United States 11	Obesity and the Fat Acceptance Movement: Kira Nerusskaya speaks 13	BDSM as business: An interview with the owners of a dungeon 20     John Reed on Orwell, God, self-destruction and the future of writing Thanks for reading. --David Shankbone 15:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Um... UM... I don't know what to think of this Mutton333 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

So, just to clarify your responses to me:
 The opinion page here is a place for opinions. (Thanks..that's what I've used it for.)  I do believe that limiting the scope of articles covered is in the benefit of creating a more loyal and substantial audience: it strenthens WikiNews' reputation to have reliable, relevant, quality reporting; simply publishing those stories which are submitted makes you...well...Fox News.  The Story of O has many sex-war-fantasy references, as does Caligula and every Bible on the planet. Not to mention the pulp fiction found in almost every pulp-horror story filmed since 1952. (And those are just off of the top of my head, without any necessary research).  Finally, you have confirmed what I noted above: that you're producing based on volume. I would qualify your interview on Obesity about as globally relevant as...well..this article here. Your article on Brownback offered no new information and read like all the information could have been garnered off of his political website.  Bottom line? Zzzzzzzz. Go write for Page 6.

 * Thanks for reading! --David Shankbone 22:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is misleading and dishonest.

Rebecca's Hidden Chamber is not a dungeon. It's a session house NOT a BDSM dungeon. A session house is a pay to play operation where one hires prodommes to session with them. It's not a dungeon.

I've been involved in the NYC scene since 1990 and currently there's only one dungeon in New York City. That would be Paddles.

www.paddlesnyc.com

The author clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.189.221 (talk) 00:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Interview ended suddenly, where's the rest? —98.247.3.85 (talk) 13:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Contend that BDSM Does Not Lead To Torture
My interest in the BDSM community comes from a rather odd source--or not so odd. To be precise, it comes from my ex-roommates. I have now twice lived with young ladies who loved the idea of being Bottom or Sub and I have visited some dungeon stores in LA that fed such fetish. You might think I would get addicted to it by now. On the contrary, while I find the idea morbidly fascinating, I also find it horrifying. Here's why.

The purpose behind a BDSM session (whichever you happen to favor) is often to live out a fantasy or release some pain (in a psychological mindset) and play with sexual stimulus. The problem is...I have YET to meet someone involved in S&M who does not have a history of abuse in his/her past or an exposure to violence at an early age. That isn't to say said person does not exist, but every exposure to S&M I have had, has stemmed from people who have had violent pasts, heavy exposure to hard pornography, particularly at an early age, or even abuse in his/her past. People who say there is no link, between dungeons and abuse are either fringe players, haven't been heavily involved, or focus more on the psychological aspects of it than the physical aspects.

Things like this can easily escalate out of control. "Safe" words get mis-heard, people pass out before they can use them, blood ends a session before a person has properly calmed down, etc. People in the S&M community are playing with fire. This is not something to toy around with. Animals bodies don't handle abuse. Animals don't have sessions of consent in which they abuse each other for sexual tensions? Yet they mate and enjoy their partners. Why should a higher order of mammals be expected to do anything more? Don't assume "one session" is safe. One session can be a gateway into a lifetime of violence that will take its toll on a body.

Link-citing

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I don't feel like this article was very well edited and could have been more informative if there was less beating around the bush. But an enjoyable read, thanks for making wikinews! —24.186.210.160 (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Interesting Article, But...
The deepest thing I've ever heard said about BDSM is that "BDSM does not feel like it looks." Amateur BDSM most often involves two people who really are quite fond of each other. It isn't abuse because of the addition of consent. The sub is always in ultimate control. Yes, many people who are into BDSM have abuse experiences, but BDSM helps them overcome the negative effects of said abuse. That is a pretty tall claim, but I tell you it is absolutely the case.

I know less about professional BDSM, but it seems like there would be less connection between the dominant and the submissive here than I'm accustomed to seeing in the full amateur world. I'm not sure how this changes the dynamic fully, but I suspect it is something like the difference between sex for fun and sex for money (prostitution).

I'm not fond of vanilla people who make money off of kinky people, so from that standpoint I'm not super happy that these people are making money off of something they don't fully understand internally. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.49.140.155 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 3 January 2017

BDSM as business: An interview
Well, guys, I find this interview amusing in many ways. Actually, I´m not sure if it is for real or a piece of literary fiction. Of course, your characters (including the reporter) can "happen" in the real world, but they look too smart to be true. And too guilty. Real people try to live with themselves and what they do looking the the other way. Anyway, nice try. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.75.113.187 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Nowadays, when someone claims that something from a credible source is "fake", it's hard to tell if they're just not good at realistically assessing credibility, or if they've been successfully infected by the meme of dissing anything one doesn't want to hear, or if they're deliberately trying to spread that meme. --Pi zero (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)


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Bush and Putin suggest potential for World War III

October 20, 2007 United States President George W. Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin have been in a war of words this week, with Bush suggesting that the Iranian nuclear program could be the lynchpin for launching World War III.

"So I’ve told people that, if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon" and "we got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. My intent is to continue to rally the world, to send a focused signal to the Iranian government that we will continue to work to isolate you in the hopes that at some point somebody else shows up and says it’s not worth the isolation," said Bush during a press conference.

The Tehran Times responded to Bush reporting that "either Bush has gone totally mad and now makes statements without consulting his advisors, or the neo-conservatives are dreaming of a new world order and no longer feel compelled to hide their goal and U.S. officials should put a muzzle on Bush to prevent him from giving people the impression that the United States is the main threat to world peace."

Putin in a telephone question and answer session advises that Russia is developing a "big, grandiose" plan to boost the country's defenses with new types of nuclear weapons to defeat the U.S. anti-missile system based in Europe.

"Our plans are not simply considerable, but huge. At the same time they are absolutely realistic. I have no doubts we will accomplish them. I can assure you that such steps are being prepared and we will take them," stated Putin.

Analysts said Mr Putin's latest remarks were designed to reassure his public that Russia still had an effective nuclear deterrent. But they were also a message to Washington: that its new and costly missile shield was effectively useless against the latest Russian technology.

Putin even suggested that the U.S. might be after Siberia’s resources and the U.S. has considered invading Russia. One thing Putin was certain of is that there are quite a few politicians in the United States who engage in what he described as "political erotica," something that "may or may not give pleasure to people, but is unlikely to generate any results," Putin added.


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Isn't this name a little dis-honest? I mean, really, just cheap advertising to get people to look at it. Putin didn't specifically mention WWIII at all it seems, and he said that thing about being able to penetrate the missile defense a long time ago. And it should also take into account, that he is CLAIMING that they have the capacity, not a proven fact. Remember that you can never trust state controlled media to give you the facts. Contralya 19:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

 * If either side uses nukes, it will be WWIII one way or another. 70.54.11.65 00:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I am talking about the name and validity of this article. All that happened was Bush mentioning WWIII, thats all! Putin talked about being able to bypass the defense shield MONTHS ago. I think this article is hypocrisy. There isn't any real news in it, Bush mentioning WWIII isn't worthy of an article. Contralya 01:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally think that mentioning WWIII is a newsworthy thing (country leaders don't say that lightly).However the title might be a bit misleading. What would you call it?Bawolff ☺☻ 01:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't know, I don't see this as so news worthy. The article's focus needs to be changed. Here the thing is, Bush mentioned WWIII recently, wile Putin has been saying that the USA wants to invade Russia and that the USA wants Siberia, FOR YEARS. Putin and his media have been saying this stuff for years, it's not news. Information should be included in the article that there is no evidence supporting Putin and his government controlled media's claims. I bet they showed a US politician talking in English and fake translated it. Contralya 02:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * You forgot to mention all the nuclear war rhetoric that Putin has been stating including the acquisition and possible use of Nukes and that attacking Iran is unacceptable, again another threat. Here is an article to calm you down Not Knut but Kute 70.54.11.65 10:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I, for one, think that article titles should be catchy and encourage people to view the articles.

 * I think an article's name should be honest. Yes, Putin is retro, he tries to slow down all peacekeeping efforts, he supplies anti-air missiles to Iran; but he didn't mention WWIII! The article should be called 'Bush suggests potential for WWIII', because Putin did NOT mention it. I guess it's too late now, I bet there are a lot of people who think there is another cold war because of this dishonest title. Contralya 16:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * There is another Cold War and it is not because of the title of this article -:) 70.54.11.65 18:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * But there ISN'T WWIII Contralya 18:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * First you advise you don't like the name, then you advise the article is not news worthy and should not be published. Please check Google News you will see thousands of related articles to this article, it is definitely news worthy and both leaders are suggesting the potential for WWIII.  My final words on the matter. 70.54.11.65 00:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * What I am saying is that BUSH mentioned it, and the stuff Putin says he has been saying for years. It should be something like 'Bush suggests potential for WWIII', because Putin isn't the one who said it. By the way, the scenario is that Iran nukes Israel, meanwhile Russia supports Iran and NATO supports Israel. Contralya 03:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * There are several scenario's suggested by both Putin and Bush, all leading to WWIII, so the title is accurate based on the facts. 70.54.11.65 10:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with Contralya. You can't mix old news with new news and call it all new and amazing. This article should be combined with another article.

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Pong
- Jurock (reply here) 22:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Pong. (It sends a link to Tenchoratchi or something to check for updates.) Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 22:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Somthing like dig, only better and very accurate. Based on amount of people with blogs or websites that mention Wikinews. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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editprotected Please replace the PNG raster image with the essentially identical SVG vector image. Just need to replace the image file extension (.png -> .svg), as the filename is the same. Cherkash (talk) 21:24, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Though I appreciate the thought, they're not the same (a label is moved considerably between the two). As a measure of how wary we are at en.wn about archived images, recently in a discussion with another admin I found that I, by replacing .png by .svg when they really are the same, was already being more daring that the other admin tends to be.  So I'm uncomfortable with going a step further like this.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:48, 13 November 2017 (UTC)


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User talk:24.61.251.141

Hello and welcome to Wikinews, a collection of open-content news stories!

Why create an account for Wikinews? Are you asking yourself, what can I possibly do on this "boring website"? Or, is this a joke? Citizens writing the news? How can they write? They need a degree to write journalism!, etc.

We'll, here are some reasons:

 * The use of a username of your choice.
 * Greater security and privacy, your IP address will be hidden from most users.
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Aerosmith sued over late cancellation of gig in Maui, Hawaii

October 21, 2007 Fans of the American hard rock band Aerosmith have launched legal action against the band in response to a late cancellation of a scheduled concert on the Hawaiian Island of Maui.

Attorney Brandee Faria filed a class action suit in Hawaii Circuit Court on October 19. The suit alleges that the band's cancellation cost fans between US$500,000 (€349,944) and $3 million (€2.1 million) in travel and accommodation costs, as well as other related expenses.

The sold-out September 26 Maui concert - originally planned months before as the final show of a world tour that began in Brazil in April - was canceled by the band on the basis that they could not make it to the island in time after a September 24 concert in Chicago. The Chicago concert, which attracted 18,000 people, was rescheduled at the last minute after the original September 10 concert date had been postponed due to illness.

The band canceled the show at Maui's War Memorial Stadium, which was set to be attended by 9,000 people, and apologized to fans. The band's management company, HK Management Inc., gave no initial reason when they canceled on September 20, but blamed logistical reasons by the next day.

However, just days later, on September 29, the band traveled to the neighbor island of Oahu to play a corporate event in Honolulu for Toyota car dealers and private guests. An audience of 6,000 people celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Japanese automobile manufacturer at the University of Hawaii, with Toyota paying $500,000 (€349,944) to hire the campus. Aerosmith received $1 million (€700,000) to perform at the event. Faria alleges that Aerosmith abandoned the scheduled public concert on Maui in favor of the more lucrative corporate event on Oahu.

"...Defendants simply canceled the only public performance by Aerosmith in favor of the larger Chicago venue and the lucrative, private concert for the Toyota car dealers," the complaint states.

Local officials had hoped the concert would attract other big names to the island.

Faria said that "I've had people contact me being out of pocket at much as $800 or $900," adding that if the cancellation is found to be deceptive ticket holders may be eligible for a minimum of $1,000 each. The complaint also says that those aged 62 or over should receive at least $5,000 each. Currently about a dozen ticket holders are involved with the suit. If the action is approved by a judge, steps will be taken to contact everyone who purchased a ticket.


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Pong
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 * Eh... Is this a stupid question, or what does that do, and why? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


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Turkey preparing for incursion into Iraq after PKK militants kill 17 soldiers

October 21, 2007

As many as 17 Turkish soldiers were killed and 16 were injured in an ambush after Iraqi Kurdish militants (PKK) attacked the patrol in Hakkari Province on the Iraq-Turkey border. As a result, a large battle erupted and at least 32 Kurdish militants were killed.

"Although it respects Iraq's territorial integrity, Turkey will not tolerate that terrorism be aided and abetted and will not be afraid to pay, whatever the price may be, to protect its rights, its indivisible unity and its citizens. The fight against the separatist terrorist organization will be waged with determination until the very end," said Turkey's top officials in a statement issued to the media, after an emergency meeting was held in regards to the battle.

Turkey has been building up troops along its border with Iraq with reports suggesting as many as 60,000 are currently stationed there. On Wednesday, Turkey approved a measure that authorized sending troops into Iraq to take out PKK militants, but on Sunday an official said that the incursion into Iraq was not urgent.

"There are plans to cross the border, but not urgently. We'd like to do these things with the Americans," said Turkish defense minister, Vecdi Gonul.

The U.S. has stated repeatedly that they are against any military action against the PKK and believe that it would cause even more instability in the region.

"These attacks are unacceptable and must stop now. Attacks from Iraqi territory need to be dealt with swiftly by the Iraqi government and Kurdish regional authorities," said a spokesman for U.S. President George W. Bush, Gordon Johndroe.

Iraq has spoken out against the attacks by the PKK and has condemned any such attacks on Turkish soldiers saying "Iraq's parliament unanimously votes to condemn the threat of using force to solve the dispute. It feels that the Turkish parliament's decision to use force does not boost bilateral relations."

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Teacher sexual misconduct rampant in American schools, says AP

October 22, 2007

An Associated Press investigation published Sunday revealed findings of more than 2,500 cases of sexual misconduct by educators in the American educational system over a five year period.

The cases reported in the investigation ranged from the merely strange, with cases involving verbal abuse, to the barbarous, with cases involving molestation and rape.

Investigations suggest that many cases of sexual abuse are never reported, and those that are reported often do not lead to punishment for the offender. The cases do not always include enough evidence, and for this as well as other reasons the schools, courts, state governments, and federal governments cannot be sure that they are keeping sexual deviants out of teaching.

Certain academic studies estimate that only about ten percent of victimized children report sexual abuse of any kind to a person who can take action to help them. When sexual misconduct is reported, teachers, administrators and some parents frequently cannot, either subconsciously or consciously, recognize the warning signs of a crime.

After examining records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, the AP found that 2,570 educators had their teaching licenses taken away, denied, surrendered voluntarily or restricted from the period of 2001 through 2005, all as a result of sexual misconduct allegations.

Minors were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80 percent of those minors were students of the accused criminals. More than half of the educators who were disciplined by their state governments were consequently convicted of crimes related to the allegations of misconduct.

The cases that the AP found were those of all types of educators -- teachers, school psychologists, and even principals and superintendents. The accused are often popular with students and parents, and are widely perceived as good teachers. In nearly 90 percent if the cases, the offenders are male. While certain educators were accused of sexual misconduct in school, others were cited for abuse that occurred after hours and did not always involve one of their own students. At least 446 of the cases uncovered by the AP involved educators with multiple victims.

A preponderance of cases involved teachers in public schools since many private schools do not require their teachers to be licensed and most private schools do not allow their disciplinary records to be publicly viewed.

The American Federation of Teachers (AFT) and the National Education Association (NEA), two large teaching unions, each decried sexual abuse while pinpointing the importance of considering educators' rights.

"If there's one incident of sexual misconduct between a teacher and a student that's one too many," Kathy Buzad of the AFT told the Associated Press.

"Students must be protected from sexual predators and abuse, and teachers must be protected from false accusations," said NEA President Reg Weaver in a press release.

However, while the AP found attempts to stop particular offenders, it also discovered a firm resistance towards identifying and preventing abuse. In schools, fellow teachers often ignore the abuse or feel they cannot help. School administrators cut backdoor deals to sidestep lawsuits or bad press. And in state governments and Congress, lawmakers are weary to impose harsher punishments or any national policy in fear of harming an important profession.

For example, in the state of California some of the most sadistic sex abuse is flagged, but state law allows a multitude of offenses to remain confidential in disciplinary records, even when teachers are sentenced to imprisonment and become registered sex offenders.

The dearth of information is evidence of a system of disciplining teachers that, nationwide, is often cloaked in secrecy. It is difficult for states to share necessary information about those accused of misconduct and allows some to find classroom jobs in other states.

An additional problem is that while the National Association of State Directors of Teacher Education and Certification maintains a listing of educators who've been disciplined for any reason, it only shares this information with other state agencies. Also, many teachers do not appear on the list because they resign before losing their licenses.

"(Schools) might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated," says Charol Shakeshaft, an expert in educational sexual abuse who leads Virginia Commonwealth University's educational leadership department.

"There is the possibility that one of these people could move to another jurisdiction, most likely another state, and you wouldn't be able to find out their history," says Todd Spitzer, a Californian assemblyman, former prosecutor, and former high school English teacher.

Another disturbing trend is that cases of misconduct seem to be on the rise in many places. According to a New York State Education Department report, the number of "moral misconduct" accusations against educators in New York has doubled in five years. In 2005, 134 cases of “moral misconduct” were reported involving teachers and other school employees, as compared to just 70 cases in 2001. According to an overview of the cases, almost 75 percent of the “moral conduct” cases involved sexual acts or an improper relationship. In all, 485 misconduct cases occurred over the five year period in New York state.

The AP's national analysis shows Texas and California with the most sexual misconduct cases, each with two to three times as many cases as New York. Florida proved about the same as New York.

Mary Green, a parent in Washington County who rallied against a teacher she suspected of misconduct, says the key to stopping the abuse is listening.

“If a child says such-and-such a person, teacher, coach or neighbor is `weird,' the parent should not simply dismiss this comment, but have the child explain why the person is weird,” she said. “Often we simply shush them without finding out why the child feels that way. People tend to think it won't happen to them.”


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Cheney warns of 'serious consequences' of Iran's nuclear ambitions

October 22, 2007 In a speech on Sunday, U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney warned that Iran will face "serious consequences" if it refuses to stop enriching uranium. In his speech, Cheney also accused Iran of being "the world’s most active sponsor of state terrorism," and called Iran's government "a growing obstacle to peace in the Middle East."

"The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its present course, the international community is prepared to impose serious consequences," Cheney said in a speech to the Washington Institute for Near East Studies, without specifying whether those consequences would include military action. "The United States joins other nations in sending a clear message: We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon," he said.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said today that Iran's nuclear policies are "unalterable" and that terminating Iran's nuclear program "isn't on the agenda and won't be." Iran maintains that it is developing nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, a position that has been backed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In an interview with CNN, U.S. Representative Jane Harman (D-Calif.) said the language being used by the Bush administration is "very dangerous" and recommended stronger U.N. sanctions as an alternative to "war-mongering threats." "We heard about mushroom clouds and other images before the military action in Iraq. I wish the president would avoid that," she said.


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It should be included that the entire reason Iran is thought to be making atomic weapons is because they do not let the UN inspect everything. Contralya 01:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


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Don't think this is just the next one
There are a lot of mis-informed people who think that there is going to be a war with Iran just because of Afghanistan and Iraq. The truth is, at worst there would probably be a bombing campaign. The U.S. military numbers around 3 million troops with top of the line tech. Iran's military numbers more than 12 million troops with outdated tech. It may well be possible to win a war with Iran using combined arms and strategy, but the troops are over-stretched right now, and the Iraq war already costs billions a week. It is foolish to think Bush wants war with Iran. Contralya 01:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, Iran has a population of 70 million. Somehow I don't think more than half of the population would be in the military...

I was just saying a point. This is taking into account the para-military groups. The real number is at least 12 million troops total, and then there is the para-military. But it is the same difference. Contralya 17:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheney.
Someone should kill Cheney, before he kills millions more just to make himself more money.

 * What people don't realize is that it's not so much Bush that is making the decisions, but Cheney and his ultra-nationalist think tank. It is like in england, Bush is like the royalty and Cheney is like the prime minister (even though the only reason the office of Vice President exists is to break ties and take the president's job if he dies) Contralya 04:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Imagine...
Imagine if Bush got shot and Cheney was president! I would have to buy an assault rifle and become a partisan. Contralya 04:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


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are they part of oceania?
not sure what either indonesia or malaysia are doing filed under oceania?

usually oceania is described as being the pacific islands + australia and new zealand, distinct from asia.

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 * Wikipedia considers Indonesia partly in Oceania partly in Asia. I'm moving Malaysia. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can not find where they are filed under Oceania. Could you please link? `Bawolff ☺☻ 03:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Teacher sexual misconduct rampant in American schools, says AP

2,500 cases out of a population of 300 million over years. Doesn't seem that bad. Contralya 03:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Are you for real? The same article said at most, ten percent of these cases ever get reported. TheCustomOfLife 07:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * As if there were any way they could know that! I doubt that estimate is correct. Contralya 08:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Funny how teachers can rape their students with reckless abandon, throw large objects at them and get them to kill domestic animals as part of projects (Ask anyone from Yoakum TX who had Coach Yaeger about that one) yet students are severely punished for speculative "crimes" such as this (see other top story today). Teachers are so defensive about it too cause there is practially no psychological screening so many of them have major jealousy complexes and think all their students think they are smarter than them. Just because your job is "hard" (hey, Cosco has some openings and great benefits!) is not an excuse for being a School House Mengele. 71.56.114.89 16:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

This article fits exactly the culture of fear that has America (and most of the western world) in its grip! People should learn to be a bit more sceptic.


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Boston Red Sox win American League Championship

October 22, 2007 The Boston Red Sox are once again headed to the World Series after being down three games to one. The Red Sox were most recently in the 2004 World Series, which they won.

Last night's game ended with the Red Sox winning 11-2 over the Cleveland Indians. The $103 million rookie import from Japan, Daisuke Matsuzaka (nicknamed "Dice-K"), pitched five innings for Boston, allowing two runs on six hits. Cleveland's Jake Westbrook started and took the loss. This proved to be a much better showing for Boston's "Dice-K" than his previous outing, which Boston lost.

The Sox jumped out to a quick lead, scoring a run in each of the first three innings on a single by Manny Ramirez, a sacrifice ground-out by Julio Lugo, and a sacrifice fly by Mike Lowell. The Indians scored their first run on a Ryan Garko double in the fourth inning, and a Grady Sizemore sacrifice fly in the fifth made the score 3-2 in favor of the Sox.

In the sixth inning, Hideki Okajima came in to relieve "Dice-K" and pitched two scoreless innings before Jonathan Papelbon came in to close in the eighth. He entered the game with runners on first and second and no outs, but quickly retired the side and in the ninth managed to maintain the nine run lead, once again giving fans a performance of his Riverdance style victory dance.

In the seventh inning, Red Sox rookie second baseman Dustin Pedroia hit a two-run home run off of Rafael Betancourt that drove Boston's Fenway Park wild. Boston scored a total of 6 runs in a crazy eighth inning, on a single by J.D. Drew, a three-run double by Pedroia, and a two-run Kevin Youkilis home run which bounced off a large Coke bottle advertisement. Betancourt gave up the first four runs, with the home run allowed by Jenson Lewis. Youkilis was the first batter he faced in relief of Betancourt.

The Sox will go on to face the Colorado Rockies, the surging National League Champions. The series will begin October 24th, with the first game at Fenway Park.


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 * Please tighten the category from category:Religion, to category:Scientology. Wilhelm 05:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC).