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editprotected The Category:Middle East should be removed and replaced with Category:Asia, as Pakistan does not come in Middle East. Ali Rana (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅--Brian McNeil / talk 10:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Credibility
One: this comes from a network that already has a strong dislike of the US. Two: I don't understand how any poll in any country of only 2,600 people can even be considered a majority of Pakistanis let alone any decent sized portion of them. There are nearly 200 million people living in that country. Three: Opinion dynamic polls are a crock. They are as good as exit polls on presidential election days. Four: Since this was done by one entity, it is technically a single source. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean in reality the number is 11% of 2,600. So its even a lower number. When you put it into context, like the (EDIT: Al-Jazeera) article currently does, you can easily mistake this number for actually being legit. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a poll, does my article violate POV just because I report on the results of a poll taken by Gallup International? Oh and if anything your the one with POV thinking al jazeera has a "strong dislike" of the United States, where do you get that from? Soapy (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not saying your writing is POV...merely that the small amount of people polled cannot constitute a legit claim that the Pakistani people, the majority, feel this way. Al-Jazeera is with the US as PRESS-TV is with Gaza. They just don't hold that much of a neutral view when it comes to US policy. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'd have to side with Dragon on this. I do not believe we should be reporting this because of how skewed it is.  I can poll a thousand people right now and get an 80%+ return that they are terrified of water and think it should be banned ( http://www.dhmo.org/ ).  Should we run an article with the headline "Poll shows 80% of American's want to ban water"? No.  Of course not.  Polls always have been and always will be, a crock of shit.  That being said Soapy, your writing is perfectly fine in terms of being NPOV.  BUT the data you're based off of _isn't_.  I could go find a poll by some KKK members about how black people are scum sucking inbreeds, doesn't mean that it is right.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 01:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree with Soapy. His reporting of this poll is not PoV. Soapy deciding to report on this subject is no more PoV than DragonFire deciding to report on a local Buffalo story. Does the fact that it is a Buffalo story make him bias? Certainly. But it doesn't mean that he can't write a NPoV story about things that happen in Buffalo:P.

 * As to the poll itself, whether or not the poll is NPoV or not isn't for us to judge, unless we want to do some research and write an article on the methodology used to conduct the poll. But if we do that, then we better go back through the archives and delete all of those "Obama ahead by 3 points!" articles. And we'd better ban CNN as a source, since half of their articles are based on these stupid, inaccurate polls.

 * BTW, that research into whether or not polls work has been done, and it's been found that gallop polls (and similar "carefully done" polls) are nearly meaningless due to the fact that even a tiny change in the question's exact phrasing has a huge impact on the poll results, even if the the question's meaning doesn't change.

 * The penultimate example of this is when you poll people about Continental drift. If you ask "Do you believe that Africa and America where once part of the same continent" you get a VERY different result than if you ask "Do you believe that Europe and America were once part of the same continent". Guess why the results are different:P? Gopher65talk 01:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 * The wording of the questions in the Gallup poll was very clear, I don't think that's an issue whatsoever, also this is a strange double standard for banning reporting on this poll because it's controversial. Time to ban any poll anyone ever posts on wikinews guys!Soapy (talk) 02:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me be clear: I never once suggested the article be deleted. I never suggested it be banned. I merely stated that if you want to report on a poll, then fine. But report the facts. I am not questioning Soapy's writing or his ability to report, but the credibility of such low numbers of people polled. The title misleading. 59% of 2,600 (1,534 people) is not "Pakistanis identify". The title implies that all Pakistanis feel this way which is simply not true. This is also totally misleading: that Pakistanis largely believe... the rest also implies all Pakistanis. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok well i did some c/e, and if everyone else thinks it looks good, I no longer have an issue with the article and someone non-involved should review it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Comment: I agree with this move/rename by . I think that this sort of direct attribution in the article title to the source of the poll addresses the issue quite well. Cirt (talk) 21:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Polling Methodology
Dragonfire, the poll seems to have been conducted scientifically, if we take AlJazeera/Gallup's description of the methodology at face value. That is how polls are conducted worldwide. I do not see anything to be concerned with here, other than the usual issues about what questions were asked etc. But the sample size is perfectly valid. And so it is acceptable to state that, according to the poll, a majority of Pakistanis feel that the U.S. is the biggest threat. That is simply a fact revealed by the poll, within the stated margin of error. --Jcart1534 (talk) 04:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The poll says the majority of polled Pakistanis. The poll, like any other poll of this small portion, simply cannot speak for all Pakistanis, or a majority of them. That might be how Mainstream media does it, but it should not happen on Wikinews. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the whole point of a poll, don't be dumb. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not about being dumb its about being accurate. If we are not going to report the facts, then there is no reason to publish this article. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It most definitely is newsworthy. Your personal bias against this being publicised is POV. Whoever put "some" in the previous title should be taken out and shot; have you any idea how pathetic that looked on Facebook? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is newsworthy...but report it like it is. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey hey it's cool it got published, all water under the bridge, no need to flame dragonfire Soapy (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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This looks like an even greater time sink. Fxmastermind (talk) 06:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Pilot error blamed for July crash of Aria Air Flight 1525 in Iran

August 10, 2009 Investigators with Iran's Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) have concluded that pilot error was to blame for last month's crash of Aria Air Flight 1525. The Ilyushin Il-62 ran off the runway at Mashad and struck a wall while landing, killing 17 people and wounding 30.

The CAO Flight Standards Department's deputy director Faramarz Sarvi stated that the aircraft had been traveling at excessive speed. Sarvi added that lack of crew cooperation was also suspected, but denied reports that the pilots had been arguing when the accident occurred. However, the Aviation Herald claims that the cockpit voice recorder showed they had been.

"Because of the high-speed, the pilot apparently lost control of the plane upon landing, causing it to veer off the runway," said Sarvi. He further stated that the crew did not answer warnings from the tower to slow down and that there was no equipment failure. Both aircraft and crew had passed safety checks prior to the plane taking off.

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600 people missing after typhoon hits Taiwan

August 10, 2009

As many as six hundred villagers from the island of Taiwan are missing after torrential rains from Typhoon Morakot caused mudslides, according to state media.

Taiwanese authorities said that approximately a hundred people were rescued after a portion of a mountain started to slump and flooded the village of Shiao Lin in the south of the country.

"The mudslide covered a large part of the village, including a primary school and many homes. A part of the mountain above us just fell on the village," said a rescued villager, Lin Chen-chung.

Several Villages Taitung County also suffered severe flooding caused by the rains. A five-story hotel building along the river in Taitung has collapsed due to the raging flood.

In some areas of the country, the storm dumped as much as two metres of water. Morakot has resulted in the deaths of at least fourteen people in Taiwan and a further 22 deaths in the Philippines.


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Brings back memories
Well not for me because I wasn't born yet...but Americans should use this event to remember the downing of Iranian air Flight 655 shot down by a U.S navy vessel that was patrolling in the Indian Ocean in 1988. During the almost surely planned event, Navy commander David Carlson, who was watching from a nearby vessel, wrote that he "wondered aloud in disbelief" as he observed the downing of the aircraft that killed 290 people including 66 children. Soapy (talk) 17:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but apart from them both being Iranian there is no link whatsoever between these two accidents. I also doubt it was planned. The U.S. most certaily shoulders the blame, but there is no motive for the shootdown to constitute murders. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I never said that these two incidents were linked, I was just saying that this is a good time to maybe reflect on atrocities carried out by our government. Soapy (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Investigation concluded very quickly?
The incident occurred at the end of July, it's now only the beginning of August. Don't these investigations usually take _years_? Not just two weeks. Also, 4200 hours is a lot of time to put in -- in just two weeks. 66.159.127.84 (talk) 19:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


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Micheal jackson story was inevitable how the hell do people belive that a (genetically) black man can have such completly white kids, sure one can be a rare occurrence but all 3 is surely statistically impossible!


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British man charged with double murder in Iraq

August 10, 2009 Authorities in Iraq have charged a British man with the murder of his two colleagues from security contractor ArmorGroup. Daniel Fitzsimons is suspected of murdering fellow Briton Paul McGuigan and Australian Darren Hoare.

Three men were shot in the incident yesterday, which occured in ArmorGroup's Baghdad compound. In addition to the two fatally injured, an Iraqi guard was wounded. According to a spokesman for the Iraqi interior ministry, the group was drinking when an argument began and one man opened fire on the others.

Iraqi army spokesman Qassim al-Moussawi stated that "The suspect is facing a pre-meditated murder charge. The matter is now in the hands of Iraqi justice." Major General Abdul-Kareem Khalaf said "He's now in Iraqi police custody and he will be tried under Iraqi law," and pointed out that a conviction carried a possible death penalty.

The men worked in the capital's diplomatic zone, which features heavy security. Fitzsimons appeared before a court today, where the prosecution informed the judge they had all the evidence required for a trial. It would mark the first trial of a Westerner since local authorities assumed responsibility for policing foreign contractors earlier this year.

One witness is reported to have said, "They were all very drunk and started shouting at each other. They had a big argument and suddenly [Mr Fitzsimons] pulled out a gun and shot his two friends. An Iraqi was standing behind him and tried to take away the gun. But he turned around and shot him ... Then he ran away."


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No tsunamis after two major earthquakes strike islands near India and Japan

August 10, 2009

Tsunami warnings were issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and later canceled after a magnitude 7.6 earthquake struck the Andaman Islands near India.

The quake struck 260 kilometers (160 miles) North of Port Blair in the Andaman Islands at approximately 1:55 a.m. local time with a depth of 33.1km (20.6 miles). The United States Geological Survey (USGS) says it's likely the quake was an aftershock to the deadly magnitude 9.1 earthquake in 2004 that triggered a massive tsunami killing nearly 230,000 people.

The warnings had applied to Myanmar, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Thailand. The NOAA indicated the risk of a tsunami was 'moderate to high', but no waves were reported in any of the areas indicated in the warning.

"Sea level readings indicate that a significant tsunami was not generated. Therefore the tsunami watch issued by this center has been canceled," said the NOAA earlier in a statement on its website.

Minutes after the quake, at 2:07 a.m. Indian time, the USGS said a magnitude 6.4 earthquake struck 31 kilometers (19 miles) south-southwest of Shizuoka Prefecture, Japan, with a depth of 26.8 km (16.7 miles). However, officials in Japan put the quake at a magnitude 6.6. A tsunami watch was also issued for the area and a short time later small, a two foot rise in sea level was reported in the Tsuruga Bay area. A 10 inch rise in sea level was also reported in Yaizu City.

As a precaution, Japanese officials have shut down at least two units, reactor No. 4 and 5 at the nuclear power facility in Hamaoka to perform a safety check. Alarms inside the plant indicated a possible radiation leak inside reactor 5, but officials say no radiation has been detected outside containment. According to Japan's Trade Ministry, both reactors shut down automatically after sensors detected the quake. Area trains have also been stopped. This was the second earthquake in Japan in two days, following an earlier one that measured 6.9 near Tokyo.

There are no reports of major damage with either quake. In Japan, some windows broke and roof tiles dislodged from roofs. Spokesman for the USGS, Paul Caruso, says both quakes appear to be unrelated. Minor injuries were reported in Japan due to falling objects, but there are no reports of any deaths. Singer, songwriter and actress Jessica Simpson, who flew to Japan over the weekend, is also safe after feeling the shaking.

"Thought I was hallucinating during a 6.6 earthquake in Japan. I have never felt anything like this in my life," said Simpson from via her Twitter account.

Indonesia has also seen an earthquake, a 5.7 magnitude that occurred 74km from Wewak at 1:46 a.m. local time on Monday.


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As big as the airspace is, a plane and helicopter crashed. It is only God's word that has been tested and trusted many times. Have you ever seen two birds in the air crash? We must learn to trust God in all we do.


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Bomb campaign in Iraq kills almost 50
A series of bombs exploded early on Monday morning has killed at least 49 and wounded 260 more in Iraq.

At 4:30AM local time (01:30 GMT), two truck bombs exploded in Khaznah, a village near Mosul, the capital of the Ninawa Governorate. The village is Shia dominated in a predominantly Sunni area. These bombs killed at least 28, wounded 130, and were so powerful that 30 houses were destroyed.

Later a sequence of bombs exploded in the capital Baghdad targeting, amongst others, construction workers and labourers gathering to find work. The current attacks are the most serious since American troops withdrew from Iraqi cities in late June and a lull in violence in July.

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Missing pop star Noriko Sakai arrested
Japanese pop star Noriko Sakai was arrested on Saturday when she turned herself in after being missing since Monday. Sakai was reported missing by her mother in law after the arrest of her husband for the possession of illegal stimulants. Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department investigators are reported to believe that Sakai did not plan her disappearance, but panicked over the media coverage that followed the authorities request for her to report to the police.

It had been feared that Sakai, who rose to fame as a teenage singer and actress, had harmed herself.

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Baby P killers to be named and then allowed to disappear
Following the expiry of an anonymity order the identity of the killers of Baby P can now be named by the British mainstream media. Following the notoriety of the case in which Baby P was seen to have been failed by the authorities, a judge ordered that none of the three be named to protect Baby P's four siblings. However a weakness of the anonymity order was that the identities of the three could be found by anyone who searched for it online.

The nature of Baby P's death has led to fears for the safety of the three, and it is likely that they will be given new identities once they have served their sentences and then be allowed to disappear from the public gaze.

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Royal Opera House to stage opera comprising of tweets
The Royal Opera House in London will stage a new opera to be written by the public. Set to a score of familiar and popular tunes by composers such as Verdi will be a new libretto comprising entirely of tweets from the micro blogging site Twitter. Act One, Scene One of the opera has been completed, written 140 characters at a time. In the story so far a man called William is imprisoned in a tower by birds, his only companion a talking cat.

The Royal Opera House is conducting the musical experiment to widen public understanding and access to opera and hopes to perform extracts from the work early in September.

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Taliban gunmen launch attack in Afghanistan
Taliban militants have launched an audacious gun and rocket attack in Pul-i-Alam some 45 miles from Kabul, Afghanistan. Six Taliban gunmen, described as wearing explosive vests, managed to gain access to an unfinished tower block in the provincial capital of Logar Province which overlooked several government buildings and compounds, including that of the local chief of police and governor's residence. From their vantage point the gunmen fired rocket propelled grenades killing at least five and wounding twenty six police officers.

The gunmen continued to engage security forces with small arms fire for several hours, with witnesses to the events claiming that attack helicopters were called in to bring the militants under fire. The authorities claim that at least four of the gunmen were killed at least two by return fire and one who blew himself up.

The attack comes ten days before presidential elections due to be held on the 20th of August.

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Climate conference opens in Bonn
About a 1000 delegates from 180 countries are meeting in Bonn, Germany for a third round of climate talks. The talks are to negotiate the text of a protocol to succeed Kyoto which will be presented to the Copenhagen Conference later this year.

Speaking at an other conference in Seoul, South Korea UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said "If we fail to act, climate change will intensify droughts, floods and other natural disasters... Malnutrition will engulf large parts of the developing world. Tensions will worsen. Social unrest -- even violence -- could follow"

The United States climate change sceptics under the Bush administration has now accepted the urgency of a cut in greenhouse gases. However US demands to tie its own cuts to cuts by developing nations especially China and India has been met with derision. "...to describe this country as a large emitter is absurd - there's no other word for it." said Chandrashekhar Dasgupta the chief Indian negotiator, pointing out that half the rural population does not have even a light bulb or gas ring.

The current talks are described as being informal, and are aimed at smoothing the progress of the Copenhagen round.

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Fifth child dies after police chase that ended in crash in California

August 11, 2009

A fifth child has died as a result of a police pursuit that ended in a crash in Dinuba, California on Sunday, August 9. Carlos Eric Salazar, aged 8, was the eighth victim to die as a result of the crash.

On Sunday, four children were among seven that were killed when the pursued suspect who, after refusing to stop for police, slammed into the GMC Sierra pickup truck carrying a family, two adults and five children. The family was on their way to attend a football game for youths when the crash occurred. Four of the children were ejected from the truck and died at the scene. The two adults and one child were taken to Community Regional Medical Center located in Fresno.

Both vehicles collided with lemon trees at an orchard near the intersection of Avenue 424 and Road 120 in Dinuba. Three people, including the suspect, were in a stolen 2005 Dodge Neon and also died at the scene. Their identities are not yet known as none of them were carrying identification.

The other children were named Sienna Salazar aged 1, Michael aged 3, Monique aged 4 and Jocelyn aged 7. The two adults, Carlos Salazar Jr., 29, and Jennifer, 26, remain in the hospital where they are recovering from their injuries. None of the victims in the pickup were wearing seat belts, according to Fox News.


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Alleged rapist files charges against victim in Sweden on HIV infection grounds

August 11, 2009Helsingborgs Dagblad, a Swedish newspaper, reported Monday that a man who has been arrested for sexual assault, has now pressed charges against the woman, whom he allegedly attacked, for not disclosing that she had HIV.

The incident happened in Helsingborg where the woman and the man took a taxi together. The man supposedly lured the woman up to his apartment stating that he was going to give her money for the taxi fare, and it is there that the incident is alleged to have happened.

The woman claims that he then forced her to have intercourse and participate in other sexual activities. She has explained that she begged him to use a condom, but to no avail. It was only when she told him that she had children waiting at home, that he let her go.

The man, on the other hand, told the police that he had paid her 3,512 Swedish krona (US$483) as he believed her to be a prostitute and that he was both sexually excited and drunk. He told the police that the reason she pressed charges against him was that she wanted to save herself.

It is not confirmed whether the man has been infected.

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The charges have been dropped
Helsingborgs dagblad has now updated the article in question which now states that "Den anmälan är dock nedlagd" or "The charges have been dropped". However, I don't know how to remove this now outdated article from the front page.

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Wow, tough case. If she was in fact a prostitute I wouldn't be surprised if she had low morals. On the other hand, if he was in fact a rapist, I wouldn't be surprised if he had low morals either. Where is Solomon when ya need him?
 * Doing what has to be done -- Slicing babies in half.
 * Why would a prostitute have low morals, selling sex for money is pretty amoral if you ask me! OFC taking advantage of people who offer/need to do this is pretty imoral but doing stuff for money isn't!--88.8.186.235 (talk) 13:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

It's going to be hard to get a conviction either way here. Maybe if she is a prostitute that can be proved with witnesses. Than again, if there was a rape perhaps the people in the neighbouring apartments heard some of the reported exchange or screams. Failing these, I don't know if they can get any evidence against either of these people, regardless of who was in the wrong. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a Stieg Larsson novel turned into a real life event. Fascinating!

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"Alleged rapist" is such a baited term

Lets just put them both in jail!!
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5th child dies
my heart goes out to this family. my concern is at what point does the chase stop. I believe we need a law in place that will not allow this to happen again. a life is worth more than a car or a traffic ticket. being responsible for the law is a hugh task so maybe now we can really take a look at this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.28.91.125 (talk • contribs)
 * Unfortunately while the police bear some blame for this (and of course the car thieves as well), the parents of the children in question are equally to blame. Have you noticed that both of the parents are still alive, while the children are dead? That's because both of the parents were wearing seatbelts, and NONE of the children were. The children were killed not by the impact itself, but by being thrown out of the vehicle and smashed into the ground. That's a common way to die when you're not wearing a seatbelt. And they had 7 people in one little truck. Ummmm.... yeah. That's *totally* a safe way to travel.

 * People complain when cops give out seatbelt tickets:P. This is what those tickets are intended to prevent. If the parents had only buckled up their kids, then most of them would probably still be alive (again: of course they'd all still be alive if those 3 jackasses hadn't stolen a car, and if the police officer in question hadn't engaged in a dangerous adrenaline-fuelled high speed chase). Gopher65talk 06:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

 * we can only ASSUME this was an "adrenaline fueled high speed pursuit" it's so easy to blame the police, what would the outcry be if these 3 car thieves were not pursued and they went on a shooting rampage? Hypotheticals aside, the blame lies with the parents, as well as the criminals, and lastly if the officer in pursuit were justified in continuing the pursuit (there are guidlines to follow while pursuing, it's not just a thoughtless chase)198.218.119.3 (talk) 10:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

To be fair I'd be angry at the Police department; in our jursisdiction they stopped having police chases for stolen vehicles unless there are other violent crimes associated. Face it, the car is going to get damaged in any chase and the owner will get insurance either way. Best to avoid the chance of such a tragic accident happening.


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Comments:No tsunamis after two major earthquakes strike islands near India and Japan

Yeah, we have also feel quake in the morning near about 5.07 am to 5.12am on august 11,2009. it is terrible to explain but it is the strongest one and 2nd quake in two days. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.16.88.176 (talk • contribs)

I feel the headline is very misleading. "No tsunamis" is not the news. A more informative headline might be: "Two major earthquakes strike islands near India and Japan with no accompanying tsunamis."—Jerhag (talk) 12:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I laughed when I saw that headline:). I kinda feel like creating a story with the headline: "Nothing of significance happens in Canada today: more at eleven". Gopher65talk 13:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


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Special Olympics founder Eunice Kennedy Shriver dies at age 88

August 11, 2009 , the sister of former United States president, has died at the age of 88. Shriver's daughter, the wife of California governor , stated last year that her mother had suffered from a series of strokes.

"We have always been honored to share our mother with people of good will the world over who believe, as she did, that there is no limit to the human spirit. At this time of loss, we feel overwhelmed by the gifts of prayer and support poured out to us from so many who loved her. We are together in our belief that she is now in heaven, rejoicing with her family, enjoying the fruits of her faith, and still urging us onward to the challenges ahead. Her love will inspire us to faith and service always," said Shriver's family in a statement on her website.

Born in 1921 in, Massachusetts located in the U.S., she was the fifth of nine children of. and (née Fitzgerald). Shriver was the founder of the Special Olympics. She also advocated for federal funding in the 1960's to help treat the mentally disabled.


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Michael Schumacher calls off Formula 1 comeback due to injury

August 11, 2009

Retired Formula 1 driver Michael Schumacher has called off his return due to a neck injury. The German Ferrari driver announced his decision not to participate on his website. He said "Unfortunately we did not manage to get a grip on the pain in the neck which occurred after the private F1-day in Mugello."

Schumacher who injured his neck in a bike accident in February aggravated his injury whilst trying out a 2007 F1 car as he was preparing for his comeback. The bike accident caused fractures in the area of head and neck which eventually turned out to be too severe for Formula 1 racing according to Schumacher.

Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo said. "I'm very sorry about the problem that will stop Michael returning to racing. His return would surely have done Formula 1 good and I'm certain we'd have seen him fighting for victory again."

Schumacher who retired in 2006 after winning the Formula 1 championship seven times, was due to replace the injured Felipe Massa. The Brazilian suffered a serious head injury after a crash during the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix. Massa is due to be out for at least the rest of the 2009 season.

Test driver Luca Badoer is now due to replace Massa. Badoer competed in Formula 1 between 1993 and 1999. He holds the record for the most Formula 1 starts without scoring a single point at 49 starts.


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 * Then you're an ignorant fool with blinkers on. Probably no surprise you can't even spell Al-Jazeera. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The poll shows how misinformed the people of Pakistan are. --65.51.209.126 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

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24 people rescued from roller coaster at California's Great America theme park

August 11, 2009 24 people had to be rescued by fire fighters after a mechanical fault caused a roller coaster to stop mid journey at the California's Great America theme park in Santa Clara, California, United States.

The Invertigo roller coaster malfunctioned at around 12:15 p.m. (PDT) leaving some riders stranded as high as 80 ft from the ground. The ride was stuck for several hours, and the last passenger reached the ground at 5:45 p.m.. None of the riders were injured during the incident.

The theme park released a statement saying that the cause of the fault was a faulty lift chain. They added that getting the ride fixed was "priority number two while the passengers safety was the number one priority."

One of the stuck passengers was Shannon Brown who said "there was a lot of noise, parts went flying. A big, heavy piece of metal went flying. It gave a pretty rough stop -- knocked my glasses off."

Passengers were given water as they waited in 90(F)-degree heat. Fire captain Scott Kouns said, "It was a hot day in the Santa Clara with temperatures in the 90s. Any length of time trapped on a roller coaster would be uncomfortable, to say the least, and it took at least an hour to get the first person off the ride."

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Thieves steal £40 million from London jeweller

August 11, 2009

In what police believe is the second-largest heist in Britain, armed robbers stole almost £40 million from a London jewellery shop on August 6.

Two men armed with handguns held up employees of the Graff jewellers shop on New Bond Street, taking 43 items, among them expensive watches, bracelets, and rings. The duo escaped in a blue BMW, which they soon abandoned for a Mercedes. After driving to Farm Street, it is believed they may have got away in a third vehicle.

"This was a well planned robbery with a number of vehicles used to help the robbers escape. These men are extremely dangerous and fired at least two shots in busy London streets as they made their getaway," said Detective Chief Inspector Pam Mace.

"Someone knows who these men are, they would undoubtedly have spoken about it beforehand or boasted about it afterwards," she added. "I would urge anyone who recognises them, knows the whereabouts of the jewellery or has any other information to contact us."


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how about life passes to the park.... pizza and soda? are you kidding me!


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Westchester County, NY to build affordable housing for non-whites

August 13, 2009

In a settlement, hailed by the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) as a "historic civil rights settlement," the county government for Westchester County, New York has agreed to spend US$51.6 million to build 750 affordable housing units that will primarily be offered to non-white minorities.

The settlement is the result of a federal lawsuit filed by the Anti-Discrimination Center of Metro New York (ADC) against the county under the False Claims Act, which alleged that the county was negligent in its oversight of federal funds that it received from HUD for community development which stipulated that it "affirmatively further fair housing." The ADC suit which claimed $180 million in damages, also said the county failed to build affordable housing and reduce segregation in some of the more affluent communities.

Prior to the settlement, the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York ruled that Westchester had failed to analyze the effect of race in relation to access to fair housing when it applied for HUD funds.

The county redistributed the federal funds to town and village governments, and the court concluded it did so without ensuring that guidelines were being followed or considering where the affordable housing was being placed.

Westchester County admitted no wrongdoing and says it has "for many years considered the impact of race on affordable housing," according to County Executive Andrew Spano.

Westchester County will also pay $8.4 million as a fine to the federal government and $2.5 million to cover legal expenses of the ADC.

630 of the 750 housing units must be built in communities which are less than 3% black and less than 7% Hispanic. The county will be required to market the homes "aggressively" to minorities, though federal law prevents them from being offered exclusively to certain races.

The case is a landmark for HUD and the way that the Obama administration will use the government agency. "This is about expanding the geography of opportunity for families who may have been limited in their housing choices. The agreement we announce today demonstrates Westchester County's commitment to make sure its neighborhoods are open to everyone, regardless of the color of their skin," said HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. "This agreement signals a new commitment by HUD to ensure that housing opportunities be available to all, and not just to some."

"This is consistent with the president’s desire to see a fully integrated society," said HUD Deputy Secretary Ron Sims. "Until now, we tended to lay dormant. This is historic, because we are going to hold people’s feet to the fire."

It is not yet decided where the affordable housing will be placed, but Westchester County has a number of towns and hamlets which qualify under the stipulated racial requirements, including Chappaqua, which is noted as the official residence of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton.

"Some constituents have had strong reactions, but that's just based on what they read in the papers and what the headlines are," said County Legislator Peter Harckham. "But there are no details yet to get excited about."

"I certainly approve of nondiscriminatory policy for housing," Alan Harrow, a resident of Somers, told The Journal News. "Looking at it from my own point of view, I moved into this very rural area, and if there's suddenly a large housing development and 200 families there, it's probably something I won't really welcome."


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It could take a while for me to fully develop this article. I have left the editing tag on it, but if you feel you have something to add, either do it here on the collaboration page or insert it on the page itself. I'll see it either way. If you feel I am being too slow, start a new article and get it published before I finish this one. Cheers, --SVTCobra 03:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a good article...something doesn't sound entirely right about the title to me, but I'm not sure what. --Killing Vector (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * something is wrong with the title? I'll tell you what, it's factually inaccurate. The houses may be marketed more aggressively to people who are non-white, but it will be illegal to discriminate against anyone white who wants to buy one. Thus, this housing is not exclusively for non-whites and the AP source's title is factually accurate where this is not. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree. That is for whom they are being built. The fact that they can't exclude whites is a different matter, and perhaps one they are not happy about, since they are going to use discriminatory marketing. --SVTCobra 17:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


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Government shuts off water to California farms in controversial effort to help threatened species

August 13, 2009

A farming town in California claims that it may disappear due to the United States federal government shutting off water pumps, though the government states the actions are necessary to save several marine species.

In July 2009, action by the Federal Bureau of Reclamation to protect threatened fish stopped irrigation pumping to parts of the California Central Valley causing canals leading into Huron, California and the surrounding areas and the farms that rely on them to lose their primary irrigation source. Unemployment has reached 40% in some areas as the farms have dried up.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger stated the action is putting the fish "above the needs of millions of Californians."

Highlighting the city's plight, Huron Police Chief Frank Steenport stated, "A year from now, [Huron] may not be here."

In an interview in Huron on Tuesday, comedian Paul Rodriguez, whose mother owns a farm in the area, criticized the actions of the government and called for President Barack Obama to review the decision. "This used to be an almond orchard. Now all that is left is firewood."

Laura King Moon, assistant general manager of the State Water Contractors, a nonprofit association of 27 public agencies from across California that purchase water from the government under contract, said "these cuts are crippling on our people and businesses — especially in the Central Valley where farmers are being forced to fallow their land and workers are being laid off. Rather than piecemeal restrictions, we need to balance the needs of the environment and the needs of people with a collective plan for the Delta."

The National Marine Fisheries Service, an agency within the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, states the water pumping inside central California threatens several species, including Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead, North American green sturgeon, and Southern Resident killer whales, which rely on Chinook salmon runs for food. In the Huron area, the delta smelt is specifically targeted.

In defense of the actions, Rod McInnis, the southwest regional director for NOAA's Fisheries Service stated, "What is at stake here is not just the survival of species but the health of entire ecosystems and the economies that depend on them. We are ready to work with our federal and state partners, farmers and residents to find solutions that benefit the economy, environment and Central Valley families."


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Micheal Schumacher.
Thank goodness he is unable to make a return to F1. Let us remember him as he was.


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Paris suffers second night of violence
The French capital Paris has seen a second night of violence by demonstrators, who have blamed police for the death of a motorcyclist on Sunday.

On Sunday night youths in the eastern suburb of Bagnolet, set 29 vehicles alight and threw stones and petrol bombs at police. Monday night was "relatively calm" according to Samira Amrouche, spokeswoman for the regional administration, the authorities having depolyed 40 vans of riot police only 8 vehicles were burnt.

The motorcyclist, a pizza deliveryman, was killed when he fled police attempting to examine his documents, dying when he was struck by a pursuing police vehicle according to the youths,however in the police version his death was a result of him crashing into barriers.

The current violence has echoes of the unrest in 2005, with again dissaffected youths of Arab and black descent venting their anger and frustration.

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No concrete progress but North American leaders express solidarity
The leaders of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) met in Guadalajara, Mexico on Sunday and Monday. The leaders of the three countries (Barack Obama of the United States, Felipe Calderón of Mexico, and Stephen Harper of Canada) promised to work together on swine flu, organised crime and green issues.

Despite disputes in a number of areas remaining unresolved, the three leaders succeeded in presenting an amiable Three Amigos image. The three leaders expressed solidarity, and an understanding of each others position.

The unresolved issues include the buy American clauses in the US stimulus package, tit for tat reprisals by the Mexican authorities over Canadian visa restrictions on Mexican travellers, and the US ban on Mexican trucks from crossing the border.

Risking the ire of human rights activists back home President Obama expressed support for President Calderón's war against drugs saying he had "great confidence" in the Mexican authorities.

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Mexican federal police foil plot to assassinate President Calderón
Mexican Federal Police (Policía Federal) have foiled an alleged plot to assasinate the President of Mexico Felipe Calderón. Acting on intelligence gathered over a year the Federal Police arrested five drug cartel members on Sunday and publicly paraded their captives and a number of weapons ,including automatic rifles, on Monday. Speaking during a summit of North American leaders Calderón played down the threats on his life, saying that the cartels are being destroyed by his policies.

Some 11000 have died since President Calderón's took office in 2006 and made the war on drugs a cornerstone of his administration.

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Aung San Suu Kyi sentenced to another three years of house arrest
Aung San Suu Kyi has been sentenced by a court in Burma to a further three years of house arrest for violating the terms of her previous sentence. However her sentence was immediately commuted to 18 months on the orders of Burmese head of state Senior-General Than Shwe out of respect for her father General Aung San and out of a desire for "national reconciliation".

The period of her arrest will prevent Aung San Suu Kyi from participating in the general elections scheduled for 2010. The sentence was immediately condemned by Western leaders, and breaking from their usual silence, the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) through its current chair Thailand issued a statement expressing disappointment. The ASEAN statement and talk of further European Union and United States sanctions are unlikely to have any impact on Southeast Asian country given the support of India and China.

The Chinese issued a statement calling for the world to respect Burmese sovereignty and laws, and is seen as an indication that China, a veto power will not support any United Nations actions.

John Yettaw whose unauthorised visit led to Aung San Suu Kyi's prosecution has himself been sentenced to seven years imprisonment, four of which will be for hard labour.

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Four Rio Tinto employees formally arrested for bribery
Four employees of the Rio Tinto Group have been formally arrested in China on charges of bribery and using improper practises in its negotiations with Chinese companies. The Chinese accuse the men of improperly learning the negotiating position of Chinese companies wishing to buy iron ore, and through this charging 700 billion yuan (US$102.46 billion) more then they would otherwise have been able to

The four were initially held on espionage charges and have been held since early July. The formal charges allows the Chinese authorities to hold the four a further seven months as it prepares its case against them. Their arrests followed the collapse of an attempted by Chinese owned Chinalco to raise its stake in the Anglo-Australian Rio Tinto Group to 18%.

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Michael Jackson to be the star one last time
Michael Jackson will be the star of a film to be released on October 28, some four months after his death. The film will be primarily cut from footage of Jackson rehearsing for the series of concerts that would have taken place at the O2 in London, but will also feature interviews with Jackson's family and friends.

The film becomes possible after AEG Live, the promoter of the O2 concerts, reached an US$60 million agreement with Columbia Pictures for over 100 hours of footage of Jackson preparing for his swan song.

"He was the architect of 'This is it', and we were his builders..." said Kenny Ortega, Jackson's collaborator on the project "...it was clear that he was on his way to another theatrical triumph."

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President of Costa Rica contracts H1N1 swine flu

August 12, 2009

Óscar Arias Sánchez, President of Costa Rica and 1987 Nobel Peace Prize laureate, appears to be the first head of state to be infected with the H1N1 influenza virus, commonly known as swine flu, official sources confirmed on Tuesday.

Arias tested positive for a mild case of the virus, Presidential Minister Rodrigo Arias said. The president's condition is stable, though he will be isolated at home for several days. "Apart from the fever and a sore throat, I feel well and in good shape to carry out my work by telecommuting. I expect to return to all my duties on Monday," Arias said in a statement.

According to the latest report from the Costa Rican health authorities, 27 patients have died from H1N1 flu and 798 were infected.


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Comments:24 people rescued from roller coaster at California's Great America theme park

Glasses
Really? She was wearing glasses on a rollercoaster that inverts? Heck, I'm suprised they were still on at that point. I hope she wasnt mad about loosing them, pretty much common sense you need to put them in your pocket or something, maybe leave them at the Ride boarding station. Dillard421 (talk) 14:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

They offered them pizza and drinks after the rescue????? Geez, how about some free Great America tickets guys!!! Come on, the majority of them hung upside down on a broken roller coaster for 2 hours and some of them were upside down! Six Flags owes them a bit more than pizza and drinks don't ya think!


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Thanks for the review. Aside from slapping the story down as anti-government, which is hard not to do considering that the Federal Government is basically making a farming town extinct (which is why it is a story), and the style, did you have any suggestions for content or style? DavidBailey (talk) 00:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've tried to tone down the article and renamed the article to meet the naming conventions. How about any other suggestions? I think this story is amazing. DavidBailey (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the changes you made. It is much better now. Sorry if my review was terse. I was at work and didn't have time to elaborate. --SVTCobra 02:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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Yeah, I noticed it had been ongoing for a while, but the fact that the unemployment is up to 40% and town police chiefs are talking about the town disappearing make the story worth visiting, I think. DavidBailey (talk) 02:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


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Tourist plane crash in Papua New Guinea leaves thirteen dead

August 12, 2009

Thirteen people have died after an Airlines PNG plane crashed in Papua New Guinea. The plane was carrying two local pilots as well as nine Australian, one Japanese and one Papua New Guinean passengers.

The Twin Otter had been trying to land at Kokoda yesterday as Airlines PNG Flight CG4684, but had aborted once already. About ten minutes before it was due to land from its second approach it disapeared. The crash site was located today and is so inaccessable that two policemen were dropped into the jungle in order to hike to the scene and seek survivors. The search had been hampered by the same bad weather that had caused the aborted landing.

Australian helicopter pilot David Inau has flown over the crash scene and commented that the plane appears to have "impacted head first into a sheer cliff face". The area is described Papuan Civil Aviation Authority head Joseph Kintau as "very, very difficult terrain".

The tourists had been intending to hike along the Kokoda Trail, a route used by Australian soldiers fighting the Japanese during the second world war. Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said that "There is a horrible tragedy involved when families send off their loved ones for what they expect to be the experience of a lifetime only for it to turn into a tragedy such as this." The Australian military assisted in searching for the aircraft.

Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Michael Somare commented on his own "great sadness" over the crash and promised a full investigation. "I have requested the ministers of the various responsible authorities to commence investigations into the accident and to furnish a report to cabinet," said Somare.

The airline has also released a statement describing the pilots as "highly experienced" and commented that "Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected at this very difficult time."


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Talk:Main Page/Archive 23

Link to Wikipedia article on free content from "FREE" at the top of the Main Page
Most people would probably find this sort of description as advertising what exists in hundreds of other news sites. A link would explain the apparent stupidity here. Psbsub (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the word free is enough. I really don't know anyone who would not know the meaning of the word. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's "free" and there's "Free". The difference is in how liberal the copyright terms applied are. It's more an issue that people won't care about the difference; those who care will already know. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor point, why is FREE all caps? I think having just the first letter capitalized is enough. Perhaps instead of linking to wikipedia, we should make some sort of sappy, Our Philosophy and link to that. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We already have our mission statement linked on the right side of the header. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

near the bottom
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Could an admin edit the bit at the bottom, so that the Wikimedia logo is not completely by itself and there is text up along side it? Dotty•• |☎ 14:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see the problem, the two logos far left and right are not aligned with the copyright text displayed in the middle. The text is MediaWiki:Copyright but I'm not sure what the full footer is. The three items should be vertically centred. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No not that bit, the bit where it says About Us. Dotty•• |☎ 14:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the Creative Commons logo. It and the about text are in different messages. I suspect the about portion is in the actual skiin. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the About Us bit just above the Wikinews in other languages section and the wikimedia section is just above that. Dotty•• |☎ 15:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * in About right? I'm not exactly sure what you mean though. How do you want me to change it? Bawolff ☺☻ 23:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct! There's a large space above it that looks odd, ie. there's no text next to the logo. Dotty•• |☎ 07:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, about the only way to fix this would be to reduce the amount line breaks. As it stands the issues you are seeing are directly related to the layout of the page and how it displayed on your browser. This is heavily influenced by the screen resolution of your monitor. Right now the screen I am viewing this on is 1024px (on a 1280px native res LCD) and it looks okay, but not great. The code for the page is okay, but not great. I'm not sure how to improve it other than adding some CSS to Mediawiki:Common.css. For now, I created User:Calebrw/Template:About for testing. I may be gone on my Wikibreak when this discussion is concluded, but I have no objections to moving this to the About page when it completed with censuses, etc. As for the CSS, I don't if really needs to be added to the above System Message, but usually takes care of those things. Calebrw (talk) 05:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that draft looks fine on my screen, which is alot better.    Dotty••   07:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[unindent]Anyone else any thoughts, Bawolff especially?   Dotty••   07:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * /me feels special. Not sure why everyone is putting me on a pedestal... The new version looks good. Just from a grammatical perspective, I've always thought that the current about was choppy. /me goes changes it. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You just seem to be the one who understands all this css/js malarkey! Thanks!     Dotty••   08:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Vector
What do people think of getting rid of the page title and sitenotice on the main page on the vector skin? (If you haven't seen vector yet - see ) We'd just have to add: body.skin-vector #siteNotice, body.skin-vector #firstHeading {display:none} To mediawiki:Common.css/Main_Page. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oooh I like Vector! I don't know which bit you mean though I'm afraid?     Dotty••   07:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Although, how come there's no tab for Comments in Vector?    Dotty••   07:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the template at the top of Comments pages doesn't show up properly?    Dotty••   10:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

 * The sitenotice should remain visible on the main page. For a lot of people this is where they'll notice it, or not have a specific task such as reading an article in mind. Yes, hide the "Main Page" heading, it's ugly and I thought that was default on all skins.
 * As Dotty points out, there will be other needed tweaks to make the skin fully usable, but the skin is really nice. I'd like to suggest a background image be done for the skin (Like Wikipedia or Commons does on monobook), the needed tweaks to work with the comments namespace, and then putting it to a vote to make Vector the default skin. For the background, what size of image are we talking about, and what would be the preferred format?
 * I really like the way a lot of the lines in Vector fade away. Would it be possible to do a main page redesign that matched with this? --Brian McNeil / talk 11:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is the sitenotice? I think this is a really good oppurtunity to redesign the main page to make it less like a amateur news site which it is at the moment and more professional.  Tieing this in with Vector would be really good as well I agree.  What backgound image do you mean(me being dense probably!).     Dotty••   11:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The sitenotice appears at the top of the page with a little [dismiss] label next to it. If you click to dismiss it, then you won't see it again until someone updates Mediawiki:Sitenotice id. The actual message is at Mediawiki:Sitenotice.
 * For a background image, pull up Wikipedia and look for the large, faded open book background. On Commons they have a rotated and large faded version of their logo. Here we've kicked about a few ideas before, I was quite in favour of an image using piles of newspapers. You can see something vaguely similar on Wikinewsie. As a first idea, you could take a copy of the WN logo a couple of times larger than the top-left version; fade it, rotate it about 20 degrees, place it on the same grey background as Vector, and repeat it until you have a big enough image.
 * We really should keep screenshot galleries of the redesign attempts we have. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, the bit in the very background. Well, to be completely honest, I'm not too bothered about that bit, it's barely visible really.  If we could get something looking good, I'm sure it would be fine!  Anyone elses thoughts about Brian's proposal for a redesign of main page as well as changing default skin?      Dotty••   12:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)PS. Can we also make the red more noticeable on a red link to a discussion page at the top?
 * One other niggle with Vector is the bottom of the page. The copyright and TM text is all left-justified, I kinda prefer what is in place on monobook. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is where we need to put comments on it- I've left mine.    Dotty••   13:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, try enabling the enhanced editing toolbar under editing in preferences and see what it's like.    Dotty••   13:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as re-designing the main page - If you think you can, go for it (but re-design it in userspace, we've had a bit to much lets tweak the main page recently imho) However trust me, its not as easy as it looks to make something that looks good that everyone can agree on. (there's some ideas in category:Sandbox). p.s. I believe i have fixed the opinion namespace for vector. do a hard refresh. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, opinions seems to work, good job. Can you fix the templates on those pages?     Dotty••   08:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added some rules to mediawiki:Vector.css to make the toccolours class style in a way similiar to how it styles a table of contents. that should fix issues with the comment template. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as newspaper goes. I've done a little initial experimentation. (In firefox go to View→Page Style→Newspaper background), but i think it could still be refined quite a bit more before going live (that is assuming we want a newspaper background). Bawolff ☺☻ 09:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we want to rename the page tab to something like article, like it is on monobook? (Its controlled by mediawiki:Vector-namespace-main). Bawolff ☺☻ 09:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Template looks good on opinions, thanks, I support renaming page to article(or maybe story?). TBH, I'm not a big fan of the newspaper background.  On Wikipedia and Commons, it is very unintrusive which I like; this is more noticeable, and also is not immediately recognisable as a newspaper, more just a random bit of writing discolouring the top left!     Dotty••   17:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, a tiny little thing, can we rename move to rename?     Dotty••   18:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Renamed the move action. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, well in response to the possible redesign, I thought it might be a good idea to pool people's comments on how it should look and their ideas, so please see here.   Tris   21:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)(Used to be Dottydotdot)
 * Also, at the top of the Main Page in Vector, it has the sighted symbol and word, which aren't in monobook and seem pretty unneccesary?    Tris   23:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC) {was Dottydotdot}
 * Sighted symbol should no longer appear on the main page in any skin. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * For the background, how about something using the image that's on the Twitter background-?    Tris   00:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Can a 'purge' option be added to the drop-down items on pages? This would be a logical place to put it for the main page, WN:AAA, newsroom and so - probably easiest everywhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Theres already a gadget that does that. (add a tab named * to purge page) Bawolff ☺☻ 01:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

"older news" link
I only get to come to wikinews every few days, so I miss out on recent articles that are no longer on the main page, and have to trudge through the archives to find them.

Could there not be a link to a page with articles recently published on the front page, say all articles from the last two weeks ?

Thanks !
 * I added an older news link, however it could probably link to a better page than it currently does now. (currently links to the month page for whatever month it was 4 days ago) Bawolff ☺☻ 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just want to say this rocks. It never occurred to me to request this, but I also read wikinews only every so often, and this helps me read stories that would otherwise go under my radar. 72.188.122.35 (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

New words added to Webster's dictionary
The article New words added to Webster's dictionary is featured on the main page along side a picture of waterboarding. Waterboarding was added into the dictionary alongside several other words but is not mention on the main page while several other words are. I feel that it would make more sense to either add a different picture or and waterboarding in the description on the main page. Cheers, Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 00:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Henry Allingham
The death of Henry Allingham at 113 was announced this morning. Mjroots (talk) 07:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Original Reporting section
Some recent edits have screwed the DPL in the Original reporting section - it's listing stuff from the start of last year. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Ummmm....?
I updated Lead 1, yet now the image credit and edit lead links have disappeared. Not sure what I did? Can someone clear up after me please!
 * You managed to lose the edit this parameter. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wonder where that went! Thanks Brian.     Tris   08:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Whitespace issues
Is anyone else getting a big whitespace underneath News in pictures, like this: File:Mainpagewhitespace2.jpg? I tried balancing it, but then several users told me that they saw a whitespace appear on the opposite side after my edits. Tempodivalse [talk]  22:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you appear to be running a very low resolution (1024x768?) thus the headlines are too long - and your browser starts shrinking things to fit. You can't please everyone all of the time with a layout like our Main Page. -- Sken   my talk 14:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Link to Flickr
Why is there a link to Flickr? Even if its a link to Wikipedia on Flickr group, it doesn't seem to be inline with WPs open and free/libre philosophy. Is there alternatives to this?
 * I tend to agree that the "Wikinews on Flickr" link is inappropriate. While freely licensed content is allowed, it is pretty pointless to link to a group that has two members only. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible sections
I notice that of the two collapsible sections at the bottom of the page, one uses [ + ] / [ - ], whicle the other uses [ ↓ ] / [ ↑ ]. I don't know which is better, or whether this is intentional, but I think it would look better if they were both the same. Den dodge T\C(en.wp) 12:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. (Its because the drop down box script was copied from elsewhere and than modified in a messy way, instead of doing it properly). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * p.s. you need to do a hard refresh to see changes. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Northern Rock lays off American workforce
Why is the article in Lead 3 about US unemployment rates illustrated by a picture of a British bank? If you can't find anything more relevant to illustrate the story than, then surely that would have to do? --89.240.207.16 (talk) 10:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed it, thanks for pointing that out. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews Link
Not too long ago someone kindly requested a link to Audio Wikinews be put on the top right of the main page. Now it is inactive (along with me, unwillingly, for a period of time) perhaps it should be taken down? --James Pain (talk) 22:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

US Army investigates drug trafficking across UK borders
Again as above, why is the article in Lead 4 about a UK drugs bust illustrated by a picture of American CID agents? If you can't find anything more relevant to illustrate the story than, then surely that would have to do? --89.241.156.10 (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, replaced with image of heroin powder. My mistake. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Dates on stories in main page DPL
Okay, I've corrected the list of templates supposedly used on the main page. Latest News was listed, but taken out long ago and replaced with a DPL embedded in the page.

Speaking of that DPL, I really don't think it should be showing dates. I very rarely work with a fullscreen browser window so every time I look at the front page each story takes 1.5-2 lines to display the date and title. It is a ....ing mess. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Is it possible to change the format the dates are displayed in (i.e. drop the year, and possibly abbreviate the month)? the wub "?!"  14:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I would recommend the format used on my userpage (dd Mmm). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 16:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and got rid of it completely for now - i don't think there's a way to abbreviate the dates. This is only a temporary fix - the main page should be completely redesigned soon. Tempodivalse [talk]  22:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Typo on Main Page
I'm not an admin here like I am on Wikipedia, so would someone who's one here please fix the typo currently on the Main Page? Specifically, the typo is "The FBI have arrested a man and charged him with interstate stalking over allegations he was responisble for nude videos of United States sports news presenter Erin Andrews." Please change "responisble" to "responsible". Thanks, Nihiltres (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 16:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Why were the dates removed on the latest news template on the main page? --Rayboy8 (talk) 16:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It was removed because lot of people found it to be unnecessary and taking up too much space (see above). Tempodivalse [talk]  17:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Concerning bias on front page leads
Right now four of the leads have the VOA template on them. This should concern everyone.

VOA is fully funded by the United States Government. They are the personification of the administration's POV; I have looked at these stories and am not as confident as I would like to be that there is an active effort to question their content and what purpose is served in presenting the facts in this way. There is not yet a bot running to automatically import these articles yet so many are going up. Has someone set their home page to VOA? --Brian McNeil / talk 01:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * SOFIXIT. :P Cirt (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Brian, this has been a concern of mine for quite some time Soapy (talk) 01:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Most popular not updated - URGENT!
I think one or two people have noticed the most-popular article list isn't getting updated. Now it's 5 days stale. Is there anything we can substitute into this area of the main page until it gets going again? --Brian McNeil / talk 11:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Hrm, perhaps a picture of a cute puppy? :P Cirt (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh look at the cute puppy. :) Its got my vote. On a serious note, we could replace it with the wikinews this time last year/3 years ago template. Bawolff ☺☻ 12:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

✅. changed to main historical Bawolff ☺☻ 12:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * For comparision, i have also created Main puppy based on Cirt's suggestion as an alternate to main historical. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Puppies made the main page for an hour -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 01:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Today an article from yesterdas appears: Israel announces settlement expansion plans, all sources from 17th, but the news is from "today" = 17th ? That's the wrong time - today it is 18th. We had a similar problem in the German version with updating. --House1630 (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Next time check the revision history. It was reviewed and published on the 17th. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Two news
Today two news with the same picture seem very similar:
 * UK lawyer comments on court case against Boeing over London jet crash
 * Victims of London jetliner crash sue Boeing--House1630 (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * One is an interview with original reporting. Cirt (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm failing to see how us producing so much news that we have 2 similar articles, is a problem? This is a good thing! -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 22:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Cirt (talk) 23:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Today? One is from yesterday. Similar? Obviously you didn't read them. One announces the case, the following day the follow-up goes in-depth into the legal questions. Seriously... You said yourself that you did it by looking at the picture. Well done, they're about the same crash. Congratulations on working it out. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 00:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think one of them perhaps should have had updated on them to clarify that there are more news about the topic. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

main devel
At various points we have contemplated putting main devel on the main page. We now have a method of stopping googlebot from indexing them (showcurid=true ironically enough). Do we want to add it, and if so, what should it replace? Bawolff ☺☻ 20:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If we know it works, I love the idea of having developing stories back on the main page. I think the best thing for it to replace is the "This day in " section, which serves less of a purpose than the others. We would then need to find another place for popular pages once (if) they get fixed, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it. Den dodge  T\C 23:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit worried that this could have too much room for abuse - e.g.: a vandal creates a few pages with names like WIKINEWS SUCKS!!1, add develop to them, and they up on one of our most prominent pages. Then again, showing developing stories on the main page would be an incentive for people to contribute to them (and any vandalism probably would be reverted quickly), so I can't say it's a bad idea. It should probably replace the "This day in ..." template, as it isn't as useful as the other templates. If the popular pages template gets fixed it would take the "This day in ..." spot and main devel could replace the "Around Wikinews" (which also doesn't have much function since most useful links are in the main page header). Tempodivalse [talk]  03:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note, for a large portion of wikinews history, we did have developing on the main page, and we did not see too much abuse. Bawolff ☺☻ 14:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I vote no, because knowing our luck, the devs will go and "fix" the curid situation the day after we turn this on. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 04:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a good point - there is always the risk that might happen if we rely on a bug not being fixed. Bawolff ☺☻ 14:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! 3 UK stories
Ended up with 3 UK stories on leads - wasn't looking to do so, just what was available. The FIFA one was screwed up whoever made it a lead. The opening was waaay too long, broken, and, well.... --Brian McNeil / talk 15:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Relocate the links to the portals?
At present the portals come below the latest news, which means that they are generally below the pagebreak, hence it's really not very noticeable. I was looking for the Science and Technology portal, and couldn't see it in the sidebar, nor in the body of the page on a first glance. Perhaps the links could be moved up the page, or placed on the right-hand side (above or below Latest News)?

Background: I'm used to the nice sidebar links on http://news.bbc.co.uk/ for quickly and easily finding science/technology articles without having to think about geographical regions. ;-) Mike Peel (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Dendodge
I'm talking about the page, not the clever user responsible for it. User:Dendodge currently displays a Santa hat on the logo. Can we have that on the Main Page tonight/tomorrow? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as we keep it to the main page, and for one day only, it probably should be ok. Tempodivalse [talk]  17:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * CSS files are generally cached. It may or may not work that well if you want it for a short time period (unless you tell people to do a hard refresh). It might be better to do the thing with the banner (view the comments in Template:Main page header). Bawolff ☺☻ 04:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Ticker
Can we add to the top of the main page so it would show up like this:--IBen (talk) 02:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

 * See Water cooler/proposals --Pi zero (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats a slightly different [but related proposal] (ticker does headlines, as oposed to short snipets as proposed on the wc). Ticker seems to have somewhat lost popularity for being on the main page. Community concencess would have to be reached before i would add it back. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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Welcome
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Remnants of Hurricane Felicia affect Hawaii

August 12, 2009

The remnants of former Hurricane Felicia continue to affect the Hawaiian islands today, prompting the issuance of a flash flood watch for Oahu, Maui, Lanai, Molokai, and Kauai. According to the National Weather Service, a flash flood watch is issued "to indicate current or developing hydrologic conditions that are favorable for flash flooding in and close to the watch area, but the occurrence is neither certain or imminent". Felicia, once a Category 4 storm on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale, weakened to a tropical depression before dissipating Tuesday. Its remnants produced showers across most of the islands, though as of yet, no damage or flooding has been reported. The precipitation, reaching 6.34 inches at a gauge on Oahu, was described as "beneficial". Some of the rainfall was accompanied by thunderstorms and frequent lightning.

The advisories are due to expire late tonight, as officials caution that further rainfall could potentially lead to flooding. On Kauai, some rivers have already begun to swell.

Surfers, however, have been enjoying unusually high waves generated by the storm. One resident of Oahu said, "I'm pretty excited. We usually don't get this much big surf at [Sandy Beach Park].  So when I heard there's going to be 12- to 15-foot faces, I was excited.  I thought I'd grab my fins, come out, check it out this morning." Bathers other than experienced surfers were advised to avoid the water.

Despite the demise of Felicia, the tropics remain active; two tropical depressions are currently persisting in the Eastern Pacific, while several systems are being watched for development in the Atlantic.


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Cargo ship Arctic Sea may be found

August 15, 2009

A cargo ship spotted off the African island nation of Cape Verde could be the missing MV Arctic Sea.

The Maltese flagged MV Arctic Sea disappeared off the French coast sometime after July 29. Owned by the Russian Arctic Sea company she was operated by the Finnish Solchart Management company and had a Russian crew.

French intelligence sources have found a ship matching the Arctic Sea's description about 400 Nautical miles north of São Vicente. The Arctic Sea was on a scheduled route from the Finnish seaport of Pietarsaari to the Algerian seaport of Béjaïa with a cargo of timber when it was boarded in Swedish waters between the islands Öland and Gotland on the  night of July 24. The alleged boarders left the ship the same day according to its crew and the ship continued her voyage although it would have been expected to anchor at the nearest port.

The last official contact with the ship was with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency in Britain on July 28. Viktor Matveyev, the director of Solchart Management says the ship radioed that it was off the coast of Portugal on July 31. The 98-meter-long ship has so far not reached the Straits of Gibraltar and is now being sought by the Portuguese Navy and Russian Navy.

If proven this could be the first case of piracy in Europe in the modern era. There is speculation as to the reason for the ship's hijacking, as its cargo of wood, valued at 1.3 million euros, is not especially valuable. Suggestions include possible contraband, and the possibility of a commercial dispute between the crew or some other party and the ship's owners.

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Number of unemployed in the UK climbs to 2.4 million

August 13, 2009

According to official figures, the unemployment rate in the United Kingdom has risen to 7.8%, its highest level in thirteen years. 2.435 million people in the country are now without jobs. The rise is higher than that predicted by economists, who forecast an increase to 7.7%.

The Office for National Statistics reported that average earnings rose at the slowest rate since 2001, when records began. Excluding bonusues, incomes increased at a yearly rate of 2.5% in the quarter to June, less than the 2.6% in the quarter to May. Including bonuses, average earnings rose by 2.5%, a rise from the previous figure of 2.3%.

Before the release of the figures, Business Secretary Peter Mandelson announced that UK stimulus plans had managed to save about half a million jobs in the country. "The Treasury estimates that there would have been at least, probably far in excess of, 500,000 more jobs lost in the recession had it not been for the government's and the Bank of England's intervention," he said to BBC Radio.