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Comments:Highlights of 2008 Taipei County Jin Shi Marathon

Hello, there's a problem that should be corrected immediately, because the champion, Rik Ceulemans wasn't invited by the organizer. I will post the original opinion per some viewers' email at talk page, if anyone saw this information, change carefully after reading the further information. Brock contact... 16:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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Credit: Global Crop Diversity Trust Artist's conception of the Norwegian vault used to store seeds from 268,000 samples as an agricultural 'insurance policy'. » Full story

Credit: Steven Fruitsmaak Hundreds of developers of freely licensed and open source software from all over Europe met in Brussels, Belgium this weekend for FOSDEM 2008. » Full story

Credit: Leandro Kibisz Firemen working to control a large fire in a party supply warehouse in the populous neighborhood of Once in Buenos Aires, Argentina. » Full story

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Credit: Adambro The Internet group Anonymous on February 10 held protests critical of the Church of Scientology. Picture taken from London, England. » Full story

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Credit: saveourclimate Individuals and organisations around the world announced their support for the environment by turning off lights and electrical appliances between 8 and 9 pm for Earth Hour 2008. » Full story

Credit: Authors of Small-Bodied Humans from Palau, Micronesia A report published recently has claimed that "small-bodied humans" have been found in the limestone caves in the rock islands of Palau, Micronesia. » Full story

Credit: Leila Monaghan Climate change has impacted wildlife and water users across Wyoming and the Western States. » Full story

Credit: Rico Shen Marek Wesoły, who won the 2nd Stage Champion in Pingtung, once again won the 8th Stage Champion of 2008 Tour de Taiwan in the Taipei City Hall. » Full story

Credit: Rico Shen Kam-po Wong, who ever won the 1st Stage Champion in Kaohsiung, once again won the 7th Stage Champion of 2008 Tour de Taiwan in the Taipei World Trade Center Nangang Exhibition Hall. » Full story

Credit: Rico Shen Kyle Gritters, a cyclist from Health Net Pro Cycling Team, won the 6th Stage Champion of 2008 Tour de Taiwan in Taipei County. » Full story

Credit: Rico Shen Krzysztof Jeżowski, a Polish cyclist from Merida Europe Team, won the 4th Stage Champion of 2008 Tour de Taiwan in Taichung City. » Full story

Credit: Rico Shen Kam-po Wong, a cyclist from Hong Kong Pro Team, won the 1st Stage Champion of 2008 Tour de Taiwan in Kaohsiung. » Full story

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Talk:Obituaries: March 5-6, 2008

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The title of this page is Obituaries:March 6, 2008 and the article is dated March 6. The article goes on to say that "The following deaths were reported yesterday". So the deaths were reported on March 5? When did the deaths actually occur? March 5, or earlier, or ... ? I just think this should all be clarified somehow. Wikidsoup - (talk) 18:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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Apple releases iPhone SDK, announces upcoming update

March 6, 2008 During a media event held at its Cupertino headquarters, Apple released the long awaited iPhones Software Development Kit (SDK) and the associated iTunes "App Store" and iPhone Developer Program. The SDK will allow third party software developers to create applications for the iPhone and then distribute them on the iTunes Apps Stores. Any members of the iPhone Developer Program can add applications to the store for free; the program costs $99 (USD) to join. Developers will be able to set the price of the applications or release them for free. All applications will have to be approved by Apple before being allowed on the store. Some of the disallowed categories are"porn", excessive bandwidth users and anything malicious or illegal. VoIP applications would be allowed over Wi-Fi only. Enterprises can setup private pages on the store to distribute internal applications.

At the event several third party developers that had been given early access to the SDK demonstrated their applications. Among the applications demonstrated were EA's Spore, AOL's AIM instant messenger and a client for epocrates, a drug reference service.

The company also announced the iPhone 2.0 update that was released as a closed beta for developers and is scheduled for public release in June. In the new version Apple has been focusing on enterprise features in an attempt to compete with rivals like RIM's BlackBerry and Microsoft’s Windows Mobile. The update adds support for ActiveSync, which Apple has licensed from rival Microsoft, WPA2 and virtual private network support. The update will also be available to iPod Touch users for what Steve Jobs described as “a nominal charge”, as Apple have done in the past with the previous iPod Touch and MacBook Wi-Fi updates.


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Gunman kills eight at Jerusalem school

March 7, 2008 On Thursday night, a Palestinian gunman entered the library at the Mercaz HaRav, an orthodox religious seminary, in Jerusalem, Israel. He opened fire with an automatic weapon, killing eight people and wounding another ten.

This is the most lethal attack on Israeli civilians in two years and the first attack in Jerusalem in more than three years.

"A terrorist infiltrated the Mercaz HaRav seminary and opened fire. He was killed in an exchange of fire and apparently had an explosives belt," said police spokesperson Shmuel Ben Ruby.

Police chief Aharon Franco said the attack was carried out by a lone gunman who "hid the weapon in a cardboard box." He said the gunman was subsequently killed by an Israeli army officer who, living nearby, ran to the school after hearing gunfire.

Seminary student Yitzhak Dadon, however, claims that he shot the gunman. "He came out of the library spraying automatic fire. ... The terrorist came to the entrance and I shot him twice in the head," Dadon told reporters.

"I saw the gunman and he fired a long burst in the air. But then he disappeared. I saw him again when he approached the door of the library. I shot him twice in the head. He started to sway and then someone else with a rifle fired at him, and he died," Dadon said.

Hamas sent a text message to reporters, stating, "We bless the (Jerusalem) operation. It will not be the last," but it did not claim responsibility. Sami Abu Zuhri, a senior spokesperson for Hamas, said the group "blesses the heroic operation in Jerusalem, which was a natural reaction to the Zionist massacre," referring to the recent Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip which killed at least 58 Palestinian civilians.

"It's very sad tonight in Jerusalem. Many people were killed in the heart of Jerusalem," said Jerusalem mayor Uri Lupolianski.

A spokesperson for the Foreign Affairs Minister of Israel said, "terrorists are trying to destroy the chances of peace but we will certainly continue peace talks."

President of the Palestinian National Authority Mahmoud Abbas, who recently froze peace talks with Israel, condemned the attack in Jerusalem.

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Brett Favre says goodbye to NFL at press conference

March 7, 2008

After playing 17 seasons in the United States' top professional football league, quarterback Brett Favre of the National Football League's (NFL) Green Bay Packers bid a final farewell to the sport in an emotional press conference at Lambeau Field on Thursday, saying he is "not up to the challenge" of another season.

"I know I can play. But I don't think I want to, and that's what it really comes down to," the 38-year-old Favre said.

Favre, who officially retired on Tuesday, dressed for the hour-long event in an untucked button-down shirt, blue jeans, and days worth of stubble. "It is on my terms, which is a good way to go out," he said of his attire. He thanked the Green Bay Packers' organization, his family, and his fans for their support throughout his career, but reluctantly admitted it was time to move on.

"I’ve given everything I can possibly give to this organization and I don’t think I’ve got anything left to give," he said, as tears welled up in his eyes. "What matters is it’s been a great career for me. It’s over. As hard as it is for me to say, it’s over."

His retirement came as somewhat of a surprise to the Packers, who expected he would return for another year. Favre refuted the notion that the Packers did not do enough to get him to return, and assured the organization that nothing they could have done would have affected his decision.

"I know there's been comments and issues in the press lately about why I'm leaving, whether or not the Packers did enough, whether or not Ted or (coach) Mike (McCarthy) convinced me to stay," Favre said. "None of those things have anything to do with me retiring, and that's from the heart."

He instead offered a simpler reason for his departure: the stress of the job was getting to be too much "I don't think it would get easier next year or the following year," he said. "It hasn't up until this point. It's only gotten tougher and something told me 'You know it's gotten too hard for you.'"

When asked about his future plans, he replied, "Nothing." This is a new phase in his life, he explained. "I am going to stick to that until I want to do something else." He and his wife, Deanna, said they will be putting all public events on hold for a year, because, as Deanna said, "Honestly, we both are really tired." He says they will still be involved with charities in the future, but not as extensively as before.

Favre holds NFL records in most wins by a starting quarterback, most passing yards, most passing touchdowns and most consecutive games started. However, he says that "the statistics part wasn't that important. I was never really a statistics guy. I hope my legacy is a lot more than that."

In 2007, he led the Packers to a 13-3 season, but lost in the NFC championship game to the eventual champion New York Giants. The final pass of his career was an interception that resulted in the Giants' game-winning field goal. Still, Favre believes he is "going out on top", and he could "care less what other people think".

"One play, one game, one season, doesn't define me," he said. "It has been a wonderful career."


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New professional Open documentary project

March 7, 2008 Recently the professional filmmaker association Loin de l'Œil started to produce a set of three documentaries (90~120mn) about nonviolent movements in India. From the 70's, to the largest nonviolent struggle (after Gandhi's one) that happened in October 2007, and called Janadesh.

This content is dedicated to be liberated via a special website, experimenting for the first time the "funding and licensing" model to release under Creative Commons licenses:

 * "The idea is that the more people donate to the project, the more freedom the movies achieve, moving along a scale with the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 and the CC BY-SA 3.0 licences at the two extremes. Look at this freedom gauge to track the progress of donations." Daniela Faris, iCommons, Webmaster.

The project name "then you win" comes from the famous quote:
 * "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.", Mahatma Gandhi.

The budget could be reduced about 30-40% by using exclusively free software, collaborative work, and bypassing numerous middlemen. Audience is still low because of the project's youth but getting more and more interest from the free culture community, the most significant support came from Lawrence Lessig who became the first online donor.


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So, Israel is vilified for doing its best to take out militants that wantonly hide in densely-populated areas with absolutely no respect for the very people they are supposedly fighting for, while Hamas is given a pass for targeting and killing innocents? --Kitch - (talk) 01:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I reread the article as I was the primary contributor, but I do not see the bias that you allege. --SVTCobra 01:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * What was that quote along the lines of, "It's not mass-murder when done to the sounds of trumpets and drums?" When it's state-sponsored killing, it's justifiable in war; otherwise it's disgusting terrorism. Perhaps the only difference between a terrorist and the government in that region is that one flies the flag over the capital, the other wishes to. There is no "Bias" to be spoken of, only politics. I think you did a better job writing the article than I could, thank you for writing it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.226.230.36 (talk) 02:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I wasn't talking about the article. I was talking about the Israel situation in general. --Kitch - (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== This sad thing, a human kills a human, this will not tolerate on judgement day, because of dirty politics, innocent people was killed, last week's Gaza killing is  not  good  thing, so please stop. ==

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Holy shiz man! I can't believe that this is happening! Apple is taking over the world! ACK "lord of the minks said this"

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Letters regarding Times Square bombing sent to Congress

March 7, 2008 After the bombing of a military recruiting station in New York City's, police in Washington, D.C. are investigating letters addressed to "members of Congress", which contain a picture of the recruiting station before the explosion and the message "Happy New Year, We Did It".

The letters arrived at Thursday in manila envelopes, according to an anonymous  aide who is investigating the matter. The picture was accompanied by what seemed to be a 10 page manifesto against the. Also included was a booklet, which the aide says he cannot identify.

Another aide who is part of the investigation says similar letters arrived in up to ten offices. In an email sent by California, recipients were urged to leave the letters alone and call police.

A congressional staffer describes the person in the photo as a white man with red hair, apparently in his 30s.

In a statement, the Capitol Police said, "The U.S. Capitol Police and the are working together to investigate letters received by various members of Congress. There is no established connection between these letters and the New York City Times Square incident this morning. The investigation is ongoing...more details as they become available."

No one was injured in the explosion, which occurred around 3:40 a.m. Thursday. The small bomb caused only minor damage to the recruiting station, shattering a glass door and leaving a hole in a window.


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Wikinews interviews U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney

March 7, 2008

Wikinews held an exclusive interview with Cynthia McKinney, one of the candidates for the Green Party nomination for the 2008 U.S. presidential election.

McKinney is a former Democratic Congresswoman from Georgia. She was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1992 and held her seat for ten years until being defeated by Denise Majette in 2002. She was the first ever African American woman from her state to be elected to Congress.

We asked her why she made the recent switch to the Green Party. She replied, "Due to the importance of environmental issues, Green issues are the issues of today. The Ten Key Values of the Green Party stress us getting along with each other in harmony with the planet that gives us life."

When asked about how she would handle Iraq she replied, "I would instruct the Joint Chiefs to draw up a plan for the orderly withdrawal of all U.S. troops from the country. I would dismantle our military bases in the area, and I would also demand that U.S. and other international corporations relinquish any claims to Iraqi oil or other resources and withdraw as well."

McKinney is running for president because, basically, she thinks that "it's time that the people win".

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Why are you running for president?

Congresswoman McKinney: It is clear that the country needs an additional political party that is not beholden to special interests or corporate lobbyists. Just 5% of the electorate, voting for a third party candidate gets the nation just that. Therefore, for those who are tired of the ability of special interests and corporate interests to subvert the will of the people, their values, or change their policy makers,winning the 5% is the best way to infuse structural change into our political system.

A victory for the Green Party in this election is possible and necessary. The alternative we present will appeal to the large numbers of disfranchised voters who do not see the major party candidates addressing their issues. In order for a democratic government to work in the public interest, it has to be both transparent and accountable. If 5% vote Green, it will put a third chair at the table of American politics, and it will open the door to the people to see what is going on inside the two-party system that has become controlled by corporations and the expanding power of a military, industrial, and intelligence complex that President Eisenhower warned of in 1960. The Green Party will represent the voices of the majority of diverse and disfranchized voters and citizens and will directly and effectively address their issues.

I spent my birthday last year protesting in front of the Pentagon. At that rally, I stated that upon winning a majority of the seats in the Congress, the Democratic representatives should have repealed the Bush tax cuts, repealed the Patriot Act, the Secret Evidence Act, and the Military Tribunals Act. And that the majority in Congress should have voted a livable wage for America's workers. And that someone should be trying to locate the $2.3 trillion lost by the Pentagon to pay instead for jobs, health care, and education. I was saddened by the Democratic majority's failure to stop funding the war, and declared my own independence from a national leadership that gave us war crimes, torture, and crimes against humanity. Unfortunately, there is not a major party candidate in the race that has not voted to fund this war. And that vote to fund what is clearly an immoral and illegal war is a vote of complicity in the torture and war crimes that are being committed as part of this war.

The deep economic morass which is facing our country today is not being adequately addressed. We are witnessing, through the sub-prime mortgage crisis, the greatest wealth transfer in our history from Black and Latino households. Yet, while they are being asked to tighten their belts, the CEOs of the banks that caused this crisis are reaping maximum pay. Even the solutions proposed by the major candidates focus on using taxpayers' funds to reimburse the banks instead of funding alternative refinancing in the poorest communities. It is clear that in this scenario, the banks always win.

Well, I think it's time that the people win. Our children shouldn't have to graduate from college one hundred thousand dollars in debt. That is a policy choice made by public policy makers. We don't have to have 48 million Americans without access to health insurance, and even more who are under-insured. Our Congress doesn't have to authorize an increase in national borrowing to nearly $10 trillion shrouded in secrecy. This country should not have racial disparity gaps wider now than at the time of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. But these are the facts about conditions that Americans are forced to live through every day. Sadly, our policy makers would rather have our country spend $720 million a day on war. Just imagine what that amount could buy in a single payer health care system, education subsidies from Head Start to university, or green technology home conversions and sustainable, safe and non-polluting energy sources.

Politics can change things. I have seen that in my lifetime. But we must have policy makers committed to the kind of public policy that reflects our values and those policy makers must be more than marionettes whose strings are pulled by forces not seen or understood by the voters. Those are some of the compelling reasons why I chose to leave the Democratic Party after many years and to run for President on the Green Party ticket.

'''You were a Democrat until not too long ago. Why the switch to the Green Party?'''

Congresswoman McKinney: The Green Party is an international party that makes policy in other countries in the world. Due to the importance of environmental issues, Green issues are the issues of today. The Ten Key Values of the Green Party stress us getting along with each other in harmony with the planet that gives us life. We need to get along with each other, and we need to respect our environment.

The Green Party also is not constrained in its policy positions by considerations of large corporate donors because the Green Party is supported by individuals who share its values, not large donors intent on gaining concessions at the expense of the people and the U.S. national interest.

If elected, how would you handle Iraq?

Congresswoman McKinney: I would instruct the Joint Chiefs to draw up a plan for the orderly withdrawal of all U.S. troops from the country. I would dismantle our military bases in the area, and I would also demand that U.S. and other international corporations relinquish any claims to Iraqi oil or other resources and withdraw as well. I would encourage the Iraqi people to select their own leaders through the ballot box with assistance from the best minds in the universities region and in the world, in very much the same way that the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa was written. I would support the establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to inaugurate a just peace and I would deploy a Peace Corps to the country that would work in concert with the reconstruction needs of the Iraqi people and their leadership.

I would go further than Iraq. I would deconstruct AFRICOM, the new continent-wide U.S. military command set up in Africa, to show the world that the United States has more to share with it than its military might, destabilizing covert operations, nukes, bombs, and missiles. I would work with the Congress to make sure that the face of U.S. engagement with the world is not a military one.

How would you handle abortion?

Congresswoman McKinney: I would not change Roe v. Wade, I would protect and expand women's reproductive rights, and I would work with Congress to bolster family planning and protection against sexually transmitted diseases here and abroad. I would also support better sex education in our schools and community centers, as well as making safe and healthy preventive measures available through heath care providers and community programs to reduce unwanted pregnancies and the spread of HIV/AIDS. Many factors come into any woman's decision to get pregnant or have an abortion. We are still missing effective policies to insure safe, affordable and effective birth control for both genders, programs that support education and employment for single parents, courts that insure child support payments, and available health care through pregnancy and childbirth, and for children.

'''There are thousands reading this right now. What could you say to convince them to give you their vote?'''

Congresswoman McKinney: People in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Haiti, India, Italy, Nicaragua, and Spain decided that even during their deepest national tragedies, they would vote their values, their dreams, and their aspirations. The governments that resulted were not just face-changes, but were governments reflective of the people's deep longing for real change. As a result, policies are being offered and implemented that reflect the truest values of the people--they want to enjoy peace and the right of self-determnination.

I believe in the good that our government can do to respect civil liberties, the dignity of work, restorative justice (not just incarceration for profit), and peace. I believe that whoever wins the general election right now, [sic], Hillary Clinton or John McCain, the people will still need a third party with standing to keep them accountable. But to achieve these goals, 5% of us are going to have to do something we've never done before in order to have something we've never had before. I am taking a stand for justice and for peace. I hope others willing to step outside of the two-party paradigm will join me in an effort to make the structural change in the political system that our country so urgently needs.


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citizenswatch@starpower.net to me show details Mar 5 (1 day ago) Reply

Joe Ford, Here are Cynthia McKinney's responses to your questions for publication in Wikinews.org. Thanks for your patience - John Judge, press secretary

Q: Why are you running for president?

It is clear that the country needs an additional political party that is not beholden to special interests or corporate lobbyists. Just 5% of the electorate, voting for a third party candidate gets the nation just that. Therefore, for those who are tired of the ability of special interests and corporate interests to subvert the will of the people, their values, or change their policy makers,winning the 5% is the best way to infuse structural change into our political system.

A victory for the Green Party in this election is possible and necessary. The alternative we present will appeal to the large numbers of disfranchised voters who do not see the major party candidates addressing their issues. In order for a democratic government to work in the public interest, it has to be both transparent and accountable. If 5% vote Green, it will put a third chair at the table of American politics, and it will open the door to the people to see what is going on inside the two-party system that has become controlled by corporations and the expanding power of a military, industrial, and intelligence complex that President Eisenhower warned of in 1960. The Green Party will represent the voices of the majority of diverse and disfranchized voters and citizens and will directly and effectively address their issues.

I spent my birthday last year protesting in front of the Pentagon. At that rally, I stated that upon winning a majority of the seats in the Congress, the Democratic representatives should have repealed the Bush tax cuts, repealed the Patriot Act, the Secret Evidence Act, and the Military Tribunals Act. And that the majority in Congress should have voted a livable wage for America's workers. And that someone should be trying to locate the $2.3 trillion lost by the Pentagon to pay instead for jobs, health care, and education. I was saddened by the Democratic majority's failure to stop funding the war, and declared my own independence from a national leadership that gave us war crimes, torture, and crimes against humanity. Unfortunately, there is not a major party candidate in the race that has not voted to fund this war. And that vote to fund what is clearly an immoral and illegal war is a vote of complicity in the torture and war crimes that are being committed as part of this war.

The deep economic morass which is facing our country today is not being adequately addressed. We are witnessing, through the sub-prime mortgage crisis, the greatest wealth transfer in our history from Black and Latino households. Yet, while they are being asked to tighten their belts, the CEOs of the banks that caused this crisis are reaping maximum pay. Even the solutions proposed by the major candidates focus on using taxpayers' funds to reimburse the banks instead of funding alternative refinancing in the poorest communities. It is clear that in this scenario, the banks always win.

Well, I think it's time that the people win. Our children shouldn't have to graduate from college one hundred thousand dollars in debt. That is a policy choice made by public policy makers. We don't have to have 48 million Americans without access to health insurance, and even more who are under-insured. Our Congress doesn't have to authorize an increase in national borrowing to nearly $10 trillion shrouded in secrecy. This country should not have racial disparity gaps wider now than at the time of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. But these are the facts about conditions that Americans are forced to live through every day. Sadly, our policy makers would rather have our country spend $720 million a day on war[. Just imagine what that amount could buy in a single payer health care system, education subsidies from Head Start to university, or green technology home conversions and sustainable, safe and non-polluting energy sources.

Politics can change things. I have seen that in my lifetime. But we must have policy makers committed to the kind of public policy that reflects our values and those policy makers must be more than marionettes whose strings are pulled by forces not seen or understood by the voters. Those are some of the compelling reasons why I chose to leave the Democratic Party after many years and to run for President on the Green Party ticket.

Q: You were a Democrat until not too long ago. Why the switch to the Green Party?

The Green Party is an international party that makes policy in other countries in the world. Due to the importance of environmental issues, Green issues are the issues of today. The Ten Key Values of the Green Party stress us getting along with each other in harmony with the planet that gives us life. We need to get along with each other, and we need to respect our environment.

The Green Party also is not constrained in its policy positions by considerations of large corporate donors because the Green Party is supported by individuals who share its values, not large donors intent on gaining concessions at the expense of the people and the U.S. national interest.

Q: If elected, how would you handle Iraq?

I would instruct the Joint Chiefs to draw up a plan for the orderly withdrawal of all U.S. troops from the country. I would dismantle our military bases in the area, and I would also demand that U.S. and other international corporations relinquish any claims to Iraqi oil or other resources and withdraw as well. I would encourage the Iraqi people to select their own leaders through the ballot box with assistance from the best minds in the universities region and in the world, in very much the same way that the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa was written. I would support the establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to inaugurate a just peace and I would deploy a Peace Corps to the country that would work in concert with the reconstruction needs of the Iraqi people and their leadership.

I would go further than Iraq. I would deconstruct AFRICOM, the new continent-wide U.S. military command set up in Africa, to show the world that the United States has more to share with it than its military might, destabilizing covert operations, nukes, bombs, and missiles. I would work with the Congress to make sure that the face of U.S. engagement with the world is not a military one.

Q: How would you handle abortion?

I would not change Roe v. Wade, I would protect and expand women's reproductive rights, and I would work with Congress to bolster family planning and protection against sexually transmitted diseases here and abroad. I would also support better sex education in our schools and community centers, as well as making safe and healthy preventive measures available through heath care providers and community programs to reduce unwanted pregnancies and the spread of HIV/AIDS. Many factors come into any woman's decision to get pregnant or have an abortion. We are still missing effective policies to insure safe, affordable and effective birth control for both genders, programs that support education and employment for single parents, courts that insure child support payments, and available health care through pregnancy and childbirth, and for children.

Q: There are thousands reading this right now. What could you say to convince them to give you their vote?

People in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Haiti, India, Italy, Nicaragua, and Spain decided that even during their deepest national tragedies, they would vote their values, their dreams, and their aspirations. The governments that resulted were not just face-changes, but were governments reflective of the people's deep longing for real change. As a result, policies are being offered and implemented that reflect the truest values of the people--they want to enjoy peace and the right of self-determnination.

I believe in the good that our government can do to respect civil liberties, the dignity of work, restorative justice (not just incarceration for profit), and peace. I believe that whoever wins the general election right now, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton or John McCain, the people will still need a third party with standing to keep them accountable. But to achieve these goals, 5% of us are going to have to do something we've never done before in order to have something we've never had before. I am taking a stand for justice and for peace. I hope others willing to step outside of the two-party paradigm will join me in an effort to make the structural change in the political system that our country so urgently needs.

-- John Judge Press Secretary McKinney for President 2008 202-584-1021 240-491-3311 fax press-secretary@runcynthiarun.org www.runcynthiarun.org (Media Contacts)

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I am a journalist for Wikinews, which is Wikipedia's news subsidiary. I would like to do an email interview with Congresswoman McKinney or one of her staffers on why she'd be a good president if elected. I have conducted interviews with several Libertarian presidential candidates over the last few weeks, including front-runner Wayne Allyn Root, and am currently trying to get the word out about the Green Party candidates. The interview would take little time. I'll simply email your campaign a list of questions. When they are returned to me answered, I'll post them on Wikinews within 48 hours. The interesting thing about Wikinews is that anybody can write for it and all reporters are volunteers. This can be a great opportunity to spread the word about Congresswoman McKinney's campaign. Please feel free to contact me at homevideopictures@gmail.com. Thanks for your time, Joe Ford (WNewsReporter on Wikinews)

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* complete contact information * press organization, type of media show * host name * call-back number * cell and fax * studio call-in line * website * email address * any additional contact names and phones * date, time,length and location you propose for conducting this interview or guest appearance * any deadlines or time limits * list of the questions you propose posing to Ms. McKinney in your interview.

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Her signature issue
I'm quite surprised nothing about race relations came from Ms. McKinney's mouth. After all, if anyone's from Georgia, you know that's her signature issue and gets her hopping like nobody's business. In fact, when we were bidding for Wikimania and considering prominent African-Americans to speak at the event, the mere mention of McKinney's name got a resounding "no" echo from the rest of my team. In her quest to right wrongs, she ends up embarrassing herself and her entire state, really. TheCustomOfLife - (talk) 06:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, I think there are vastly more important issues to consider than subjective perceptions of embarrassment. Cynthia is the pride and joy of a lot of intelligent people, and a beacon of hope for individuals of all races in both your state and mine. She throws herself against the gears of the government machine when it's not working for all, and in the process of doing so, she does not concern herself with pretentions. Alexfox729 - (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

ugh
this chick is CRAZY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.38 (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Cynthia McKinney for President of the United States of America 2008
It has been almost 3-years since the horrific Hurricane Katrina destroyed Louisiana beyond measures which caused a person such as myself to be presently homeless in Riverdale, Ga. As a survivor, I must say that I am distraught on how the government and other organizations handled the entire situation. Not because I lived throughout the hurricane and the aftermath of it, but because I felt that the government did not care about the Katrina victims. This is suppose to be the richest country in the world, and yet the government failed and continues to fail the people. There IS NOT a reason why the government could not had provided ships, buses, airplanes, etc to evacuate the people out of harms way (before the hurricane). Their is no excuse the government can provide to explain why after almost 3-years, lives of the survivors or no better off as the day after Katrina.

It is really ashame that it took Hurricane Katrina to WAKE UP America and make them face the reality of neglect in this country. It is not because the people failed to cry out, but because higher authorities failed to listen. We have had Presidents that were so educated until they were stupid beyond means. But I am happy to know that God is answering prayers through Cynthia McKinney. I do not personally know her, but the spirit in her has revived a lot of Katrina survivors including myself. She has given us a sense of hope and accomplishments via her platform and authority.

For the first time in my life, I am proud to campaign for a President of the United States. I believe and I stand for everything that is being address by the Presidential norminee. I was sad to see her leave the Democratic Party, but happy to know that she will be my next President. I will be honest and say that I was supporting and campaigning for Barack Obama for president for almost 2 years now. However after careful observation, praying, listening, and facing reality, I came to the conclusion in August of 2008 that Cynthia McKinney is the best and only choice for President of the United States of America. I support her 100%.

So people, we have work to do! The old saying is, ACTION speaks LOUDER than WORDS. We just can't talk it! We have to WALK it!

It has been almost 3-years since the horrific Hurricane Katrina destroyed Louisiana beyond measures which caused a person such as myself to be presently homeless in Riverdale, Ga. As a survivor, I must say that I am distraught on how the government and other organizations handled the entire situation. Not because I lived throughout the hurricane and the aftermath of it, but because I felt that the government did not care about the Katrina victims. This is suppose to be the richest country in the world, and yet the government failed and continues to fail the people. There IS NOT a reason why the government could not had provided ships, buses, airplanes, etc to evacuate the people out of harms way (before the hurricane). Their is no excuse the government can provide to explain why after almost 3-years, lives of the survivors or no better off as the day after Katrina.

It is really ashame that it took Hurricane Katrina to WAKE UP America and make them face the reality of neglect in this country. It is not because the people failed to cry out, but because higher authorities failed to listen. We have had Presidents that were so educated until they were stupid beyond means. But I am happy to know that God is answering prayers through Cynthia McKinney. I do not personally know her, but the spirit in her has revived a lot of Katrina survivors including myself. She has given us a sense of hope and accomplishments via her platform and authority.

For the first time in my life, I am proud to campaign for a President of the United States. I believe and I stand for everything that is being address by the Presidential norminee. I was sad to see her leave the Democratic Party, but happy to know that she will be my next President. I will be honest and say that I was supporting and campaigning for Barack Obama for president for almost 2 years now. However after careful observation, praying, listening, and facing reality, I came to the conclusion in August of 2008 that Cynthia McKinney is the best and only choice for President of the United States of America. I support her 100%. I do not want to even hear the name Barack Obama again.

So people, we have work to do! The old saying is, ACTION speaks LOUDER than WORDS. We just can't talk it! We have to WALK it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lichele (talk • contribs) 19:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.231.102 (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

5%
I'm glad she mentioned the 5% issue. A vote is cast for a person, not a party.TheMadChild (talk) 06:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


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Protester says Japanese whalers shot him

March 7, 2008

Paul Watson of the anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says that he was shot by Japanese sailors while protesting against their hunting practices in Antarctica. Watson, captain of the Sea Shepherd ship the Steve Irwin, stated that his crew had been throwing stink bombs at the sailors, but that they responded with gunfire and flash grenades.

Watson said he was hit in the chest and found a bullet in the ballistic vest he was wearing. Watson told Australian radio: "It bruised my shoulder but it would have hit my heart if I didn't have the vest". He says one of his crew members received minor injuries after being hit by a flash grenade. News Limited reported that Ralph Lowe, 33, had a bruised back from a flash grenade that exploded behind him, and that Ashley Dunn, 35, received a hip injury while trying to get away from an explosion. David Page, the ship's doctor, was filmed by the Sea Shepherd group prying a bullet from Watsons's Kevlar vest, and said "You have been hit by a bullet".

Tokyo denied Watson's account, stating that "warning devices" were thrown after their ship had been attacked. Japan's foreign ministry said that their coastguard on the Nisshin Maru threw a baseball-sized device which exploded near the protesters' ship and emitted a loud sound, and was not designed to cause harm to anyone. Glenn Inwood, spokesman for the Japanese whalers, told ABC Radio: "Any claim from Paul Watson that he was fired at with a gun and has a bullet lodged in his bulletproof vest is absolutely false." Inwood stated there had been "retaliation" when the Japanese coast guards fired warning balls at the Steve Irwin. Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith released a statement regarding information he received from Japanese officials: "Japanese officials have now advised the Australian embassy in Tokyo that during the incident in the Southern Ocean this afternoon, three warning balls — also known as flashbangs — had been fired ... Japanese officials have advised that these devices are designed to make a loud noise but not to injure, and that no gunshots had been fired." Japan also told the Australian Embassy that one of the crew members of the Nisshin Maru had fired a warning shot in the air. Smith stated: "I absolutely condemn actions by crew members of any vessel that cause injury – or have the potential to cause injury — to anyone on the high seas ... The Australian Government once again calls on all parties in the Southern Ocean — including all protest and whaling vessels, and their respective crews – to exercise restraint." Watson explained to Australia's ABC News that the Japanese whalers had no reason to fire on the protesters: "We were doing what we usually do, which is putting stink bombs on deck ... We go out of our way to make sure we don't throw them near anybody, but they were throwing the flash grenades directly at us." If Watson's statements are proven to be true, the actions of the Japanese saliors represents a breach of international law.

Japan claimed that four crew members of the Nisshin Maru were injured in the confrontation, but Watson denied this. Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura criticized the Sea Shepherd group in a statement to reporters: "They have repeatedly resorted to such activities and it is truly unforgivable ... Is it all right to hurt humans in order to protect whales? I think whales are cute and important creatures, but even so, hurting humans is unforgivable."

Earlier this week, Sea Shepherd protesters clashed with the Nisshin Maru, and threw stink bombs and "slippery" powder at the Japanese ship. Two Sea Shepherd protesters were taken hostage in January after they boarded a Japanese harpoon ship, the Yushin Maru No. 2, and Australia later brokered their release. Protesters have been following the Nisshin Maru since Japan began its annual hunt for whales in the Southern Ocean in December.

Both New Zealand and Australia have led international protests against the hunting of whales. Last month Australia released film of whale slaughter taken from its customs ship, the Oceanic Viking, and said the footage could be used in a potential international legal challenge to Japan's whaling activities. Due to a loophole in a 1986 global moratorium on whaling that allows "lethal research" on whales, Japan kills up to 1,000 of the mammals per year.


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All material in article is from secondary sources, no OR. Cirt - (talk) 10:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Article says that the doctor is "seen prying a bullet" which is complete speculation on behalf of the author. It's more likely a fragment of a flash bang grenade. Also.. no one has ever verified that it was a bullet and no one has this bullet? --68.41.80.161 (talk) 22:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is as per secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 22:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It can clearly be seen in Whale Wars footage that the object pried from the vest is in fact definitely not a bullet. This is a cropped frame capture from Whale Wars showing the object: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5048/object.jpg If someone that knows how to do these sorts of things could then add the image to the article that would be great. 81.147.63.24 (talk) 20:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hostage taking
The statement about the Japanese taking SS crew members hostage is incorrect. The SS crewers boarded the whaler entirely of their own volition and were detained by its crew for lack of any other choice when the SS ship left without them. SS founder and leader Paul Watson has since publicly stated that it was a hoax. 74.59.13.194 (talk) 04:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This was as per sources cited in the article as of that time. Cirt (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


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University of North Carolina student body president murdered

March 7, 2008 Eve Carson, the student body president of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, was found dead on a street about one mile from campus early Wednesday morning.

The Chapel Hill Police Department responded to a report of gunshots around 5 a.m. Wednesday morning, and found a young woman lying dead on the road. She had been shot several times, including a shot in the head. One of two 9-1-1 callers reported hearing a woman screaming.

She was quickly identified as Eve Marie Carson, the 22-year-old Student Body President at UNC. The Athens, Georgia resident was last seen alive around 1:30 a.m. that morning

A medical examiner says there was no evidence of sexual assault. Police currently believe it was a random act of violence, and may have involved the theft of her SUV. Her SUV was found about a mile away, and her keys and wallet are missing.

Carson's death comes nearly a year after the death of Jason Ray, a male cheerleader who at the time performed as the school's mascot, Rameses. He was struck by a car in a hit-and-run in New Jersey on March 24, 2007, during the Regionals of the 2007 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament, and died two days later of his injuries. Two men were charged in his death on January 18 of this year.

Several memorials were held on Thursday for Carson, drawing over 10,000 people in total. The Student Government website is currently shut down in her memory. The website simply has a link for providing information on her murder and the following message: "We thank you for your concern and support during this time of great loss. We ask that you allow us time to grieve."

Carson was studying political science and pre-medicine, and had studied abroad in Cuba in spring 2006. She was part of the North Carolina Fellows Program, and had served from 2006 to 2007 in student government roles including Member of Academic Advising Committee and Representative to the University Committee on Awards, Scholarships and Student Aid.


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Canadian GG offers statement on International Women's Day

March 7, 2008 Today, Governor General of Canada Michaëlle Jean issued a statement regarding International Women's Day. The day was first designated unofficially by some in the United States in 1909, to acknowledge the economic, political and social achievements of women. In 1975, during International Women's Year, the United Nations gave official sanction to the day, and began sponsoring events.

Simone de Beauvoir would have been 100 years old this year. What a wonderful opportunity for us to measure the progress we have made since this committed woman published the iconic book that forever changed the way we see women’s roles in society. Not only did The Second Sex open our eyes to the status of women, it also laid the groundwork for the debate on freedom and responsibility that is still raging today.

Where are we, 100 years later? Although we have made enormous strides in improving women’s lives, freeing ourselves from prejudice and rejecting stereotypes, we must recognize that Simone de Beauvoir’s dream of equal of opportunity and gender equality have not yet been realized. The challenges and obstacles our sisters around the world face on a daily basis, sometimes in the cruellest way possible, are powerful reminders of this.

Although some saw it as just a passing fad or the latest craze, feminism is still a pressing issue today. I see it as society’s willingness to encourage, promote and legitimize women’s right to self-determination. Freedom and what it means in every aspect of life should not be the privilege of a select few or achieved to the detriment of others. We should remember this on this International Women’s Day.

I think it was this message of freedom—which Simone de Beauvoir incarnated so well in her words and life—that my mother wanted me to hear when she so reverently lent me her copy of The Second Sex when I was just a young girl. I never forget the lesson, and I wanted to share it with you, my fellow Canadians, as we join in the worldwide centennial celebration of a woman who changed the world, a woman who—I believe—should always be remembered for her daring.

I would also like to take this opportunity to honour the remarkable and essential work of all those organizations, groups and associations, of the thousands of professionals and volunteers all across the country, that are completely dedicated to improving the lives of Canadians women and fighting for their rights.


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Spanish councillor shot and killed in the Basque Country

March 7, 2008

A politician from Spain's ruling has been killed in Spain's northern, in the town of Mondragon. The shooting came just two days before general elections in Spain.

, 42, was shot outside his house in front of his wife and daughter and was taken to hospital, where he died of his wounds. No group has claimed the attack but Spanish sources said the attack was probably carried out by the Basque group, considered as a terrorist group by European Union and United States, ETA.

Spain is in the final day of official campaigning ahead of Sunday's general election, in which the Socialist prime minister is seeking a second term. The conservative opposition has focused his campaign in the terrorism and separatism, especially that of the Basque. After the shooting the main parties announced a halt to campaigning. According to the polls, the two parties are neck and neck in the race for the election.


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2008 Tour de Taiwan, TaiSPO, and Taipei Cycle: 3-in-1 preview

March 7, 2008 Prior to the main race of 2008 Tour de Taiwan, the 2008 Taipei Cycle (Taipei International Cycle Show, located at TWTC Nangang) and TaiSPO (Taipei International Sporting Goods show, located at Taipei World Trade Center Hall 1) will not only exhibit from next Tuesday to Sunday (March 13-16) but it will also bring multiple opportunities for sporting goods, athletic sports, bicycle, and MICE (meeting, incentive, convention, and exhibition) industries after the TWTC Nangang stage was firmly included into 2008 Tour de Taiwan and its race will be start next Saturday (March 15).

2008 Tour de Taiwan: Not only for 2008 Summer Olympics, but also for basic sport.
Without cross-division races in this tournament, and the TWTC Nangang will be launched with the starting of 2008 Taipei Cycle, this race will enroll 2 stages for Taipei City after the joining of TWTC Nangang Stage.

Besides of the international competition, if the 3rd Taipei Citizen Elimination Road Race could expand its scale on local racing clubs' participation, this special event will be a best creation for promoting basic bicycle sports in Taiwan.

On the other hand, this international race, classified as 2.2 class race by UCI, will determine the qualifications of 2008 Summer Olympics especially long-distance road races at Pingtung County, Changhua County, Hsinchu City, and Taipei County stages.

Taipei Cycle & TaiSPO: A reunion with convergence effects for bicycle & sporting good industries
Since the Taipei Cycle was independent from TaiSPO in 1988, the TaiSPO and Taipei Cycle showcased significant differences from different industrial nature.

Originally, Taiwan was notable in the export market and was stable in the bicycle industry since its industry was decayed in United States, several OBMs like Merida and Giant were on the rise, and the bicycle industry was transformed from OEM to OBM with high extra values and "Taiwan Bicycle Three 'New' Movements: New materials, New functions, and New purposes", proposed by Giant in 2001.

On the other hand of TaiSPO, with several past incidents on exhibition hall moving, operational rights between organizations and associations, and construction of TWTC, this sporting good show witnessed some histories as what TAITRA underwent and became a senior and a key trade show in Asia with technology inventions, creative conceptions, market transformations.

Though the fitness and leisure industries were improving with various changes for the modern lifestyles in the sporting goods industry, after the reunion of TaiSPO and Taipei Cycle, those two shows will bring opportunities and convergences for bicycle, sporting goods, and leisure sport industries.

TWTC Nangang: A key show venue with multiple opportunities
Since the TWTC Nangang, twice larger than the current TWTC and its upper hall has a feature with column-free, was constructed last November, several companies from varied industries including MICE focused on this venue.

To evaluate some conditions on international trade shows, the Taipei Cycle, Taipei PLAS, TAITRONICS, Food Taipei, and Foodtech Taipei were earlier scheduled by TAITRA into TWTC Nangang this year. Not only the extensions of COMPUTEX Taipei, but also some similar industry shows will be exhibited at the TWTC during the show hours of Taipei Cycle and Taipei AMPA.

Even though the construction of Neihu Line of Taipei Metro is still in progress, but Chung-shing Bus Co., Ltd. and Kwang-hua Bus Co., Ltd. were approved to operate the "New Chung-hsiao Main Line" for solutions on current traffic condition. After the launch of TWTC Nangang, the "New Chung-hsiao Main Line" will temporarily improve traffic condition of TWTC Nangang.


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Comments:Protester says Japanese whalers shot him

This article
This article is totally biased.
 * How? --Brian McNeil / talk 19:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually I had written a full explaination on what points, but in the contributions tab, but that has since been deleted... which leads me to serious question the ethics and increasinly biased nature of wikinews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 (talk) 16:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I think this article totally lacks a NPOV... maybe that's just a wikipedia thing but its very biased in favor of the protesters.

"Two Sea Shepherd protesters were taken hostage in January after they boarded a Japanese harpoon ship, the Yushin Maru No. 2" - this statement actually made me laugh out loud, that's called detaining intruders, if it had been Texas, they would have been shot.

"If Watson's statements are proven to be true, the actions of the Japanese saliors represents a breach of international law." - this statement has been made but nothign simular about the protesters violations of law.

There is no mention to the acidic nature of the "stink bombs", which sounds playfully benign, and the actual chemical compounds used, which if memory serves me were dangerous to humans.
 * The chemical used is Butyric acid. "Butyric acid is found in butter, parmesan cheese, vomit, and as a product of anaerobic fermentation (including in the colon and as body odor)" 81.147.63.24 (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

^Is what was deleted... like just google the definition of the word 'hostage' and look it up, this does not fit the situation and paints the whalers in a very negative light. I am slightly suprised they did not refer to them as Scientologist Whalers in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

NPOV / Bias
This article should be more neutral, as it does not question the claim made by Paul Watson. For a complete breakdown to the arguments against his claim (which should be included here), see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1195419/board/nest/125675508#125706113

I heard about the incident on the news, and it wasn't until I watched the 7th episode that I realized just how poorly they setup the incident.

If you closely follow the last 20 minutes of this episode, including the buildup to the shooting incident, you will find that there are a number of inconsistencies and evidence that points towards the incident being stages for the cameras and for the media - with the goal of attempting to further advance their cause by having the Australian government intervene.

1. The captain had previously never left the bridge. When the guys who boarded the Japanese ship were returned, he even commented that he can't go down and greet them because he 'never leaves the bridge'. Yet on this incident, he not only left the bridge, but he stood out on the side directly confronting the Japanese. These actions were completely outside of the norm for him.

2. They say that they wont be sending out the inflatables to attack the Japanese ship, and the reason being that the ship is too large to attempt a boarding from an inflatable. So the plan is, for the first time, to directly confront the ship head-on with the Steve Irwin.

Using the Steve Irwin would make an attempted boarding just as impossible as it was with an inflatable. Since all that their attack involved was throwing acid bombs on the Japanese ship, then they could have launched the attack from the inflatables. I think what becomes more obvious is that they don't use the inflatables on this occasion so that they can draw their captain, Paul Watson, into direct conflict with the Japanese, where the shooting incident can be played out as planned.

3. Watson stood out on the side of the Steve Irwin taunting and waving at the Japanese, inviting an attack on himself. He has not only left the bridge, but he is also, for the first time, directly confronting the Japanese himself.

4. There is no sight of anybody on the Japanese ship holding a gun. Watson claims that the shot came from a porthole - but if you look at video or photos of the Japanese ships, there are no portholes on that side of the boat. Also, with the rough seas and swell, with two moving ships, a shot like that would be near impossible to pull of, especially as accurate as it was. There was also no sound of gunfire captured on video.

5. Prior to the alleged shooting, it seems that Watson and his officers are building up the incident by distorting and over-reacting to what the Japanese say, and by suggesting that they are in bigger danger than what they really are.

After the first attack, the Steve Irwin receives a message from the Japanese ship where they say:

"If you approach any further, we will launch flash bomb or tear gas grenade"

This was distorted by the crew of the Sea Shepard as:

Peter Hammarstedt (First officer) said: "They threatened to fire on us if we come any closer" Camera operator, or director, off camera: "With firearms?" Peter Hammarstedt: "ahhh, with flashbangs I think"

and again:

Peter Hammarstedt (first officer): "We are throwing pretty much butter on their decks, and they have threatened to fire on us. We didn't think it would happen in our wildest dreams"

During the confrontation, the other officer, Peter Brown, makes a comment of 'I want to see if any of them pick up a gun'.

There was no reason to suspect that the Japanese would be carrying guns, as their warnings *only* mentioned flash bangs. This seems to form part of a planned build up to the faked shooting, where Watson and his two officers over-state the intentions of the Japanese by introducing the possibility of firearms being used. This is a gross distortion of what the Japanese actually said.

During the confrontation, but before the alleged shooting, Brown also says:

"No matter what happens stay calm, we still have to run this ship"

almost as if he knew what was going to happen and was re-assuring the crew.

Note that the other crew members, outside of Watson and the two officers, never over-state what the Japanese threatened with the flashbangs. It is only Watson and the two officers who exaggerated the threat to involving firearms and potentially a shooting.

6. It has already been mentioned before, but anybody with a basic knowledge of ballistics would know that all that a vest does is it disperses the energy from a bullet and slows it down by absorbing the impact. Wearing a vest does not mean that the person still doesn't receive the full force of the bullet, it just means that the force isn't as sudden nor as concentrated. He would still fall over juts as he would if he was shot without a vest, and he would still have massive bruising, and pain. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, and the average person wouldn't even be able to stay standing up with the force of a good punch (100-150 pounds/cuf of force), let alone a bullet (10-30 times that force).

7. When he noticed that he was shot, the Steve Irwin had already turned away from the Japanese ship and was some way away from it already. With a real shot, he would have acted immediately. It seems that he waited for the cameraman to step down to the platform he was standing on before reaching down to check if he had been shot. Judging by where the Steve Irwin was relative to the Japanese ship at the time he checked to see if he had been shot, it would have been at least 80-120 seconds after the ships had been alongside each other.

8. He looks down into his jacket, and straight up looks directly at where he claimed the shot was, and remarks 'holy *beep* He enters the bridge, casually stating 'I got hit'. First of all, with a vest dispersing the energy of a shot, somebody who has been shot often finds it very difficult to pinpoint the exact location - he seemed to know exactly where it was. Further, a near death situation would have seen a sudden and great release of adrenalin, as the body pumps it out, raises the heart rate, breathing rate and does a lot more in response to a near death experience. Watson shows no signs of experiencing any of these very common symptoms, and is remarkably calm and placid.

9. The 'bullet' is not a bullet. Simple as that. He mustn't have had any idea of what a fired bullet slug looks like, because he used a piece of metal arranged in a hemisphere as the bullet.

10. He says 'I felt a pricking on my chest'. The *exact opposite* of what one who was really shot would feel. (it actually feels like being hit by a truck).

11. Watson is obviously well attuned to playing the media to further his cause. He is constantly sending out press releases and is on the phone with the media. After every incident at sea, Watson would run to his computer and put out a press release - very often over-stating the facts or flat out lying. After all, the Australian media only has their word to work from, as the Japanese would often respond later via official government channels. Watson plans and justifies all the attacks based on what the media impact would be, and plans based on what actions would have maximum media impact.

The planning behind the earlier boarding by the Australian and English crew members of the Steve Irwin were specifically planned with the media impact in mind. When that incident didn't cause the stir that he expected, the captain obviously thought that he would require a more dramatic incident to have the Australian government intervene - hence his shooting plan.

An obvious part of this media campaign is the Whale Wars documentary series itself, where throughout the season Watson and his officers have downplayed the negatives and over-emphasized their positive spin to every aspect of their campaign. At no point during the series is the viewer presented with the Japanese perspective, despite the disclaimers about international law.

In summary we have:

 * A captain who is media savvy, and who plans all his actions around media response.
 * Acting outside of his normal behavior when the incident took place (both by being on the bridge, and using the Steve Irwin in place of the usual inflatable attack so that he could position himself for the setup)
 * No video footage (from any of the 5-6 cameras on both ships) of any gun, or anybody holding a gun. Also no signs of portholes, and the very slim chance a shooter would have of hitting his target considering the conditions
 * A concerted campaign between Watson and his two officers to distort what the Japanese said in an effort to build up the incident and exaggerated the level of danger that they were about to face.
 * Numerous comments by Watson and the officers suggesting that they were in grave danger and there was the possibility of an incident taking place.
 * The shot completely defying the laws of physics
 * Not noticing he had been shot till sometime after the two ships separated
 * The bullet not being a bullet.

So in summary, we have a case of a very sad man, desperate for media attention and frustrated that his earlier bold plans had not succeeded in their aims, has reduced himself to planning and staging and incident where he would be shot by the Japanese. We have a very clear motive (supported by the earlier attacks that were done with media impact in mind), and more then enough direct and clear evidence from the show. From the Japanese perspective, their claims in the media directly after the incident are all completely corroborated with what we see during Whale Wars - that is, they threw three flashbangs as 'warning devices', and that nobody on the ship was carrying a firearm.

The Australian police, nor any other federal regulatory body, took the incident further than a brief investigation of the claim. If a real shot had been fired, there would have been at least some evidence to support the claim and some action taken. But instead, the Australian government did not even condemn the Japanese for their actions, and instead sought to have the two sides separate from each other and for the Sea Shephard organization to show restraint in their actions.

In total, the evidence against the claims that were made by Paul Watson is overwhelming, to the point where the last episode of Whale Wars is a complete embarrassment to not only Captain Watson, but his entire crew and the supporters of the Sea Shepard organization.
 * You're wasting your time. This is an archived article and it will not be changed. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Whale Wars
I respect the cause of the Steve Irwin but how far is to far. They themselves throw stink bombs which prevent the whalers from working and don't expect a rebuttal. I don't think we should be holding these incompetent people on such a high pedestal when they themselves seem to also be the criminals.

Bias
The article reports that the attacking SSCS crew members were “taken hostage” by the Japanese. That makes the Japanese sound like criminals and implies ill will on their part. That’s absurd. They captured and detained them. NRen2k5 (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * . Cirt (talk) 10:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

japanese act a shame
This article is a matter of shame to every human being.........specially japanese people. finding loopholes in Lethal Research Law-1986 and huntingwhales is unacceptable on anybody's part. the japanese official saying "its not good to hurt human to save whales" sounds a sick mentality and thoughtlessness. kudos to Mr.Watson and his group members for fighting for Natural balance and natural justice. also Australian government should be firm and should take concrete steps to curb japanese nails over oceans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.68.121.102 (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Next time aim for his fat head

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this is verry boring and has no help th my project and has nothing to do with whalers —153.107.97.156 (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)