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China commutes Tibetan monk's death sentence

The People's Republic of China has commuted the death sentence of a prominent Tibetan monk, Tenzin Delek Rinpoche, ordering him instead to spend the rest of his life in prison.

In 2002, a Chinese court found Tenzin Delek Rinpoche guilty of involvement in a series of terrorist bombings earlier that year in a region of Sichuan province historically part of Tibet, and of inciting separatist activities. He was sentenced to death, but the sentence was then postponed for two years.

Upon the expiration of his suspended sentence late last year, Chinese officials suggested they might go ahead with the execution. It was to have taken place last month.

But Higher People's Court of Sichuan decided to commute the sentence, saying the monk had obeyed certain conditions that were not disclosed. Officials say he confessed to the bombing, a claim human rights advocates say they do not believe.

Tenzin Deleg, who is widely respected among Tibetan Buddhists, has said he was wrongly accused.

Anne Callahan, manager of the Free Tibet campaign in Britain, says Communist officials targeted the spiritual leader because they viewed his vast following as a threat to their authority among the large community of ethnic Tibetans in Sichuan province.

She says her group believes the real reason for the reprieve of the death sentence was the international pressure brought on Beijing by governments and private organizations.

"The reality is that his case generated a whole international campaign on his behalf and has actually highlighted the degree of religious repression in Sichuan now," she said.

The reprieve came exactly two years after the execution of another man, Lobsang Dhondup, who was tried and convicted along with Tenzin Delek for the 2002 bombings.

The Dalai Lama and his Tibetan government in exile, along with several human rights groups, had called for the sentence to be reversed.

The United States expressed serious concern about the monk's closed-door trial, saying Chinese authorities failed to provide clear and convincing evidence of guilt. The issue came up during visits to Beijing by Secretary of State Powell and other high-ranking Bush Administration officials.

Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing had no immediate comment following the news of the court's decision.

Meanwhile, Tashi Phuntsog, described as Tenzin Deleg Rinpoche's "right-hand man," walks free. He was released earlier this month after being detained since 2002, 10 days after Tenzin Deleg Rinpoche.

The government never said why Tashi Phuntsog was jailed or why he was released early.

Human Rights Watch, calling on the Communist government to explain Tashi Phuntsog's detention believes he was released needing medical attention. "Tashi Phuntsog entered prison as a healthy man in his early 40s, and he was cast out literally as a broken man," it said.

Xinhua reports he has been "well and fairly treated."


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Crosswords/2005/January/27

January 27, 2005

Feel free to use the Wikimedia sites to solve our Wikinews crossword (Please do not fill it out online as it would spoil it for other people, print it out and fill it in at you own leisure!)

Quick crossword
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 * 3. Tree; Colorado ski resort (5)
 * 8. One who manages text, Wikipedia user (6)
 * 9. Rockpool animal, sea ______ (6)
 * 10. Type of ink (5)
 * 11. Schedule (6)
 * 13. Acid in urine (4)
 * 14. Antifreeze, ethylene ______ (6)
 * 15. Form of reproduction without coitus (7)
 * 17. African ethnic group (4)
 * 20. Fungi for breadmaking (5)
 * 23. Common Internet communication (5)
 * 24. Instrument, _____ martenot (5)
 * 25. Fifth Aristotlean element (5)
 * 27. 2-dimensional measure (4)
 * 30. Part of whole (7)
 * 32. Royalty (6)
 * 34. Innovation (4)
 * 35. Repeat (6)
 * 37. With hole(s) (5)
 * 38. Tropical fruit (6)
 * 39. Device for holding eggs (3-3)
 * 40. Doughnut shape (5)
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Down

 * 1. Sayings (6)
 * 2. Bemuse (4)
 * 3. Expressive operatic song (4)
 * 4. Piano lever (5)
 * 5. Small variations (7)
 * 6. Peanuts author, Charles M. _____ (5)
 * 7. Brain gland (6)
 * 12. Twice as much (6)
 * 14. Character (5)
 * 15. Ring, theater (5)
 * 16. Delete (5)
 * 18. Beneath (5)
 * 19. Disturb (5)
 * 21. Concur (5)
 * 22. Tropical bird (6)
 * 26. Poetry form (7)
 * 28. Demon-like photograph effect (3-3)
 * 29. Lack of motivation (6)
 * 31. Chase (6)
 * 33. Seat (5)
 * 35. 28 Down affects these (4)
 * 36. Device used for capture (4)
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Answers tomorrow.

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User talk:Regebro~enwikinews/Archives

=Editorials=

Yes we CAN have editorials!

"Good editorials, as you mention, are thought provoking, and almost always biased and opinionating. Although the bias in a good editorial is openly displayed, it is still biased. Therefore, a good editorial will ALWAYS make some people upset. An editorial that do not make anybody upset, is simply not a good editorial in the first place." Newspapers have editorials, and I don't see them being hit by lawsuits from people getting upset.

"While there is nothing wrong with a good old flamewar, from time to time, on a wiki that means an editwar. That editwar can only be stopped by not allowing editing of editorials. But that means we need to approve the authors of editorials as being good and thought provoking. And that means we need to decide what is thought provoking and what is a just a heap of stupid crap. This mostly depends on your standpoint on difefrent issues. So, to have good editorials, Wikinews need a political standpoint. " Not really. Editorials on a news source are supposed to be reviews and discussion of the week's news, not random opinion pieces on what your girlfriend did last Friday. If you discuss the week's news, people can't be offended by you mentioning things that happened anyways, and are publicly viewable.

"As long as Wikipedia aim to be a reliable news source for everybody it has to remain factual. Editorials are right out." Newspapers are "reliable news sources" and they have editorials.

"May I suggest that you link to your blog on your personal page and post your editorials there?" Is that not the equivelant of having it on your personal page in the first place? Cap'n Refsmmat 01:54, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I would like to give you a long and thorough answer, but I'm a bit short on time, and since most of your comments come from taking snippets out of context and ignoring the rest of the reasoning, a proper answer would be both long and repetitive, so I'm gonna give you an all to short answer. I hope that's OK.

 * "Newspapers have editorials, and I don't see them being hit by lawsuits from people getting upset." Nobody has mentioned lawsuits. I mentioned editwars. A newspaper can not (for obvious reasons) have editwars.

 * "Editorials on a news source are supposed to be reviews and discussion of the week's news, not random opinion pieces on what your girlfriend did last Friday." I find this argument very strange. Nobody talked about random pieces on what your girldfriend did last Friday. That's not an editorial, it may possibly be a column. We shouldn't have them either, but then I don't think anybody suggested that. :)

 * "Newspapers are 'reliable news sources' and they have editorials". Yes. And Wikinews is not a newspaper, so that's rather a moot point.

 * "Is that not the equivelant of having it on your personal page in the first place?" No.

 * --Regebro 13:30, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * "Nobody has mentioned lawsuits. I mentioned editwars. A newspaper can not (for obvious reasons) have editwars." I know. The equivelant of an editwar is a lawsuit or complaint to the editor. And I'm sure not many people get too worked up over one coumns.
 * "I find this argument very strange. Nobody talked about random pieces on what your girldfriend did last Friday. That's not an editorial, it may possibly be a column. We shouldn't have them either, but then I don't think anybody suggested that. :) " You're taking it too literally. I meant that the "opinion pieces" would be opinions and discussion of the news, not of any old topic. If you were to make a recap of the news and a discussion of what it could mean, people cannot get worked up on it unless you make nasty remarks (which would be something that is very unlikely).
 * "Yes. And Wikinews is not a newspaper, so that's rather a moot point. " Some television news shows have editorials, and so do many news internet sites. That doesn't mean they're unreliable.
 * And also, why is it not the equivelant of having it on your personal page? Cap'n Refsmmat 21:32, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'll start with making two point clear:
 * We ARE talking about the same thing when we say editorial: Discussions about the news. You can stop saying that you don't mean random columns on anything, I never talked about that.
 * I have never contested that newspapers, TV or many other formats of news are good places for editorials. In fact, I mentioned blogs because they are excellent places for editorials. But this is not a blog, neither is is a newspaper nor is it a TV channel. So you can stop mentioning that other formats have editorials. I AM aware if that.

 * Now, to the rest of your post:
 * "people cannot get worked up on it unless you make nasty remarks" Yes they can, but that is besides the point. Because it's not about getting worked up, it's about having different opinions. If you write one point of view, and somebody does not agree, they will edit it, you'll edit back, and you have an edit war. A Wiki is not a discussion forum. A wikinews article is not a place for you to give put your opinions or spekulations and thoughts about this weeks news, for the simple fact that then somebody can simply change it. You can not discuss the weeks news if anybody can change your conclusions. Therefore, opinions do not have a place here. It   does     not      work. Wikinews, like all other wikimedia sites, must stay factual.
 * --Regebro 23:27, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * "A Wiki is not a discussion forum. A wikinews article is not a place for you to give put your opinions or spekulations and thoughts about this weeks news, for the simple fact that then somebody can simply change it." A part of the qualification process to make a column, in my opinion, is being a sysop (so we know the person is trustworthy and a good user). There, that part's fixed. Cap'n Refsmmat 00:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Being a sysop does not mean you know what you are talking about. And it still solves none of the problems I mentioned. Anyway, I updated the text on my personal page to what I hope is a clearer discussion of the issue. --Regebro 11:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * To be a sysop means you have passed through the voting process. People trust you. Therefore you must know what you are doing. Cap'n Refsmmat 21:27, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * As a sysop, yes. As a writer of editorials and columns no. And also, that type of qualification process goes completely against the grain of wikiness. And again: It solves none of the problems I mentioned.--Regebro 23:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Who cares if it goes against wikiness? Wikinews is different than wikipedia or wiktionary!

Having editorial writers not being qualified means they can be crap. A newspaper doesn't let anybody write an editorial. Anyways... the following problems are solved: Cap'n Refsmmat 23:58, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Editwars. A sysop could lock his editorial page.
 * People getting upset. That's why the people are qualified, and there's the talk page to make complaints. Too many complaints and it's shut down.
 * Having a political standpoint to qualify authors. I have a really simple idea: you pick authors from both sides of the field.

 * All your suggestions change this from a wikimedia site to a normal news site, of any kind. If you don't want a news site that is based on a wiki I suggest you go somewhere else. As I have noted several times already: If you want to become a journalist and want to practice on the internet: start a blog. --Regebro 00:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You obviously aren't understanding it. Only the editorials are anti-wiki! Not everything! You're taking everything way too literally. Cap'n Refsmmat 03:50, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Then create your editorials somewhere else. Like a Blog. The End.--Regebro 08:27, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

=Document Stages=

Regebro, I strongly agree with you on your stance on document stages. I would like to constructively move forward and get your input on my proposal in order to have something to weigh against the article stages system. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You were right...
...and the 'article stages' and other rubbish has been binned. I hope you like the new system :). Dan100 (Talk) 18:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Happy, happy, joy, joy! :) --Regebro 16:07, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Belizian~enwikinews

New article, maybe a focus article?
Just wanted to take a moment to say how much I appreciate your work on this article, Belizian!

I was going to suggest, though, that you write new articles as separate pages, and then you can transclude them here (using .) That way they'll be up on the Main Page and more people will see and read them. Is this a good idea? - User:Amgine

Not sure how to do that, you could do it if you like just tell me where to go to add info as it comes in.

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Belizian. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Belizian~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User:Waerth

Hello my username is waerth I am mainly active on the Dutch wikipedia, but you can find me throughout most mediawiki projects. I will probably only do some minor things here, as I am waiting for a nl.wikinews.org to be set up

my Page on nl:

I have been thinking it over and decided to face reality. I have lost all my believe in the wikimediaprojects. So much even that I am now adding content to places outside of the wikimediaprojects instead of having to deal with all the 100000000000000's of procedures and rules being implemented by people who do not even know how to write an article.

The projects have been taken over by a group of people, mostly teenagers, whom apparently have lost all sight of realism and have taken other people's work hostage, without creating one bit of content themselves. Who feel that adding templates, writing rules and policing (the process) is more important than what we set out to do. Also there is a very very very strong western bias in the projects. Ideas and processes are launched which might work perfectly in a western world (like the rules for verification) but which fall flat on their face when applied to non-western items. When someone actually rises this point on the lists (me) it is ignored.

Also Jimbo's statement that en: wikipedia has covered most subjects disappoints me. This might be true for subjects on developed countries. But the projects are heavily lacking in the same sort of content with regards to the developing world. While every lake in the US probably has an article. Most Asian / African / South American countries have barely got articles describing these kind of features. And if someone does write an article about it, it gets deleted as non-encyclopedic. Also wikipedia's become very nationalistic like the nl: wikipedia where a fairly large group feels non-Dutch and non-Belgian topics should not be covered in the Dutch language edition! And they actually wrote rules to enforce this.

The amount of people who only care about their own backyard (the west) and wanna delete everything they do not understand has grown to big. Also other idiocism like on nl: wikipedia where procedure is 100x more important than the smooth running of the project, resulting in an everyone can insult everyone situation and no-one get's actually blocked is taking to much time and stress.

Jimbo invented the wheel with the wikimedia projects. Unfortunately the wheel never evolved, nor will it in the current climate. Every form of progress of the projects in something meaningfull and working gets blocked or grinded in bureaucracy by a group of people who want to be the boss.

Meanwhile on the boardlevel politicians rule who only give a shit about themselves and about political games. I have seen many of these games played out over the years. Also the projects diversify to much and to much new niches where new small groups start that take their particular niche hostage (commons being a prime example) are started. Instead of looking at how things can co-operate people start their own new kingdoms and fiefdoms (like wikitionaryz, which is GerardM's fiefdom) into things that are not our core imho. We are about creating content, not spreading it, let other people do that job.

On some projects I still have moderating bits, I hereby ask the stewards to take these bits away as I do not wish to spend to much time anymore on the projects, I might shout a bit from the sideline. The wikimedia projects will always exist, and the original idea was great. Unfortunately Winston Churchill was right .... democracy works in theory only. When the masses take over like on our project, the sum gets lowered to the level of the masses. Which means herd thinking.

Waerth

de:Benutzer:Waerth nl:Gebruiker:Waerth

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User talk:Waerth

I am mainly active on Dutch wikinews so you will have most change of getting my reaction by going to: my Talkpage on nl:

 * I replied to your Weather report question on your user talk page over on Dutch Wikinews. — DV 02:01, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Driver who caused Los Angeles train crash charged with murder

Eleven charges of murder have been brought against the driver who caused the Glendale train crash, in which 11 people died.

Juan Manuel Alvarez, 25, could well face the death penalty for his actions. It appears he parked his Jeep Cherokee on the railway line with the intention of committing suicide, but then changed his mind and left the vehicle. Three trains carrying approximately 350 people were involved in the crash, injuring up to 200 passengers.

His arraignment was delayed from Thursday to Friday due to his medical condition. He was charged with 11 counts of murder and was held without bail in a hospital's jail ward after apparently slitting his own wrists and stabbing himself in the chest. Prosecutors have filed 10 counts of murder with so-called special circumstances, and will add the 11th victim to the complaint shortly. Under California law, this makes Alvarez eligible for the death penalty.

The accident was caused as a result of a chain-reaction derailment of three Union Pacific trains. Investigators are continuing to try to determine the exact sequence of events.


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Row intensifies between Sinn Féin & the Irish Government

January 27, 2005 The row between the Irish Government and Sinn Féin intensified today with Gerry Adams accusing the Taoiseach Bertie Ahern of attacking Sinn Féin in order to divert attention from the jailing of disgraced former Minister for Justice Ray Burke.

Burke, who is a former Fianna Fáil minister, began a six-month prison sentence earlier this week for tax offences.

Speaking in London on the eve of his meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the Sinn Féin President said Bertie Ahern had 'cleverly defused the Ray Burke affair by opening up a full frontal attack on Sinn Féin'.

Mr Adams said that attack was driven by political considerations because the Government had decided that little progress could be made in the Northern Ireland peace process in the next few months.

Referring to yesterday's heated exchanges in Dáil Éireann between Mr Ahern and Sinn Féin TD Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Mr Adams said, 'We want to do business with the Taoiseach, but he can't expect to attack us in the way that he does and for us not to robustly defend ourselves.


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Report: British serial killer murdered 250

January 27, 2005 The Sixth Report of the Harold Shipman Inquiry, released today, concludes that British family doctor, Shipman, killed about 250 during his career. Shipman was arrested for the murder of Kathleen Grundy in 1998, and concerns arose around this time about the excess number of deaths among his patients.

Shipman was found guilty in 2000 of 15 counts of murder and one of forgery of a will, and jailed for life. The on-going Inquiry, chaired by Dame Janet Smith DBE, began soon after to investigate his past, as well as other suspicious deaths linked to the doctor.

According to the Sixth Report of the Inquiry, it is now thought that he may have begun killing at the very start of his career, possibly through recklessly prescribing drugs, in 1971. It is thought he later developed a deliberate intention to kill, mainly targeting the elderly. His first murder may have been as early as in March 1971, and the Inquiry concluded he continued to kill until 1998, the year of his arrest.

Shipman was found dead, hung with his bedsheets in Wakefield Prison on 13 January last year, raising questions about what measures could have prevented this apparent suicide and another investigation, this time by Prisons and Probation Ombudsman Stephen Shaw.


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User talk:62.77.185.70

Hi, thanks for the great new article. Any chance you have a reference for it you could post on the article? Dan100 (Talk) 18:15, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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One hundred dead after air raid in Darfur, Sudan

January 27, 2005

African Union monitors in the Darfur region of Sudan have witnessed an air attack that has killed around 100 people.

The Sudanese government carried out the attack on a village in the northern part of Darfur. It represents a major violation of the ceasefire signed last April between the government and the rebels.

The rebels began their war with the government in 2003, accusing the government of neglecting their region and of oppressing black Africans in favour of Arab Africans.


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Talk:FBI places limitation on public viewing of files

Overhaul

 * Ascribe opinions - no some people say!
 * Sources should be expanded if possible
 * Who did What, Where, When, Why, and if possible How!

- Amgine 18:26, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

i don't know what it means to be moved to copyedit. i wish i could work more on this article. frankly, i'm afraid of being murdered in federal prison. i feel like i did my share. now can someone else do something besides make it LESS of a story? which is what it seems like happens to something written by someone less-than-familiar with the process if no one else takes an interest. but for all i know this category is something that attracts attention? rather than one step from oblivion.

 * I write an article that is fit or better fit than other articles on the main page, and mine gets put into the copyedit or devoloping stories area and gets messed up. Don't look at me. The only stories that brew up are hype, the rest come days later and are published when the origional ones are swept aside. Honestly, how do you think I feel? Cameron 17:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Ready for publication
This article appears ready for publication, though it could be expanded. Moving to copyedit. - Amgine 18:49, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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New York radio station apologises after 'humorous' tsunami song

January 27, 2005 The New York radio station HOT 97 has apologized after one of its DJs played a song making light of the recent tsunami catastrophe in Asia.

The 'Tsunami Song' was played by 'Miss Jones' on the hip hop and R&B station's Morning show earlier this month. Miss Jones and station management later apologised on-air.

Miss Jones and the Morning team have now been suspended indefinitely.

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Talk:Row intensifies between Sinn Féin & the Irish Government

I've tried to find a source, but I don't really know any of the background on this and I'm not sure I found the right stuff. However the author certainly seems knowledgeable and I think this story is genuine. I did leave a message for the anon author asking for a source. Dan100 (Talk) 20:11, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:Dysprosia~enwikinews

Crosswords
Hi Dysprosia, I'm lovin' your crossword! Will you make one every day? Dan100 (Talk) 20:23, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * If the demand for it is there, I'll try my hardest to. I've got one grid planned, the answers to the current and a new one should be up some time this evening. Dysprosia 06:01, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Overlap problem is easily fixed, check it out. -- Netoholic 09:45, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

In a word, perfect. I bow down to your crosswordy goodness. just a thought shouldnt it be wiki crossword (ie.hawaiin word for quick) rather than quick crossword. Or maybe wikiwikicrossword? Also how about making some of the clues wikilinks (which might help if you are stuck). just a thought. The bellman 13:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Dammit, I was gonna make crosswords for this site, but u got there before me. If u let me borrow ur xword templates then I can rustle up a few, and we could maybe get a little "wikinews fun" team ehind us. However, I'll probs only b able to rustle up about one or two a week. User:Wonderfool

 * Thanks to you both. The script and a few instructions are on my user page.
 * Linking the clues sort of spoils the fun of actually doing it, though? Dysprosia 00:51, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A pleasant diversion and a technical achievement
I appreciate your impressive crossword puzzle contributions.

I added some additional comments about your puzzles to the Water cooler.

I hope you can add more topical references in future puzzles.

Regards,

— DV 07:28, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks. I'll certainly try to add topicality in some of the clues in future, if need be. Dysprosia 07:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Front page link
You wanted a link on the front page - wish/command... Dan100 (Talk) 21:12, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! :) Dysprosia 22:30, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Front page link - auto vs manual update
Just wondering which you prefer to use - do you change the front page link by hand when you upload a new crossword, or could it use the CURRENTDAY thingy? Dan100 (Talk) 08:08, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * CURRENTDAY would be wonderful, but I don't change the crosswords dead on UTC, so there's about a 6+ hr gap between 0h UTC and when I upload the new crossword, and having a main page redlink is a pretty bad idea. I don't know if there's a better solution :( Dysprosia 11:36, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I do! Make the crossword a day ahead of time. (So, today you'd make for the 6th and 7th, tomorrow the 8th, and so on.)
 * BTW: I am working on script to build a word list from a text file, so I can copy all the recent news articles to that and thus have an at least somewhat-news related crossword. Is this a good idea or a dumb one? I'm also working in php to theoretically get this to full-automation stage. - Amgine 15:24, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't doing them 24hrs in advance mean the answers are available each day (the 'answers tomorrow' link? If it does, maybe we could just remove the link from 'answers tomorrow'. Dan100 (Talk) 15:16, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Hm, I might try that...
 * As to computer generated crosswords - I think it's not such a great idea perhaps. A computer generated crossword is often less superior to one that is hand crafted, and that you need a sufficiently large list to make sure that you are always guaranteed intersections. For only a small pool of news articles, there'll be an even smaller pool of words, so this may be problematic.
 * I've tried to include some clues that are related to the day's news, but if that's still insufficient... Dysprosia 05:15, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmms... I've got a script which builds a 20x20 grid, but a lot of the words are mighty small to gain maximal density. From 2 days worth of news articles, I get a bit under 2000 unique words, and not much over from 3 days worth. A fair percentage are names, of course.
 * I think your approach is producing much better quality crosswords, so as long as you don't mind producing them, I will just keep on solving them for fun! - Amgine 06:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Poll on crosswords
Crossword poll, in case you hadn't seen it Dan100 (Talk) 15:16, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Crossword Poll: An apology
Dysprosia, I would like to apologize for starting a poll which you might easily perceive as an attack on the great work you've been doing on the crossword puzzles. I would like you to know that I've changed my vote on the poll, and changed (broadened) my mind significantly about the Wikinews goals, as a result of that poll's discussion. I've expanded the Wikinews mission statement to make it more explicit that work like yours is what Wikinews is about.

Please stay with us and keep up your awesome work, and don't mind sometimes-confused folk like me trying to stir things up unnecessarily. I would also be glad to render technical assistance should that be helpful. -- IlyaHaykinson 07:42, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You've no need to apologize :) But thanks for changing your vote. And thanks also for your kind words!
 * You've also every right to have your opinions, so there's no worries about that also. And I might even take you up on your offer :)
 * Thanks again Dysprosia 10:49, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Crossword index
I've generated an index of 2005's crosswords, present and future, at Crosswords. The discussion page has the code, and I'm happy to see you're a Perl user. :) 170.35.224.64 15:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Correction, upon previewing. Yikes, I have wasted a lot of work by putting this at Crosswords/, when there was already one at Crosswords! Perhaps someone can clean up my mess, and perhaps someone will want to use my code. 170.35.224.64 15:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Great :) I'll try and merge the two when you have time. However, I'm going to try switching to weekly format, since at the moment, I don't think there's enough users actually doing the thing to justify me creating a new 'word daily (it takes about 1-2 hours to create each one), and that I don't think I'll get that sort of time in future. Though the listings will still be useful, of course! It will be good to reference the 'words by date. Dysprosia 11:20, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And I was looking at possibly learning your script today...
Thanks! You do know we could use "weekly xword" instead, and use as the variable? - Amgine 22:35, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I've half-rewritten the script with autonumber, but I haven't integrated it well enough so it will be an easy task to produce! I currently have three different scripts at the moment ;) But the current one will still work.
 * And -- we have such a variable? Wow! Dysprosia 00:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Images
Hi I've added another image but I can't get the table to work correctly - can you fix it? Dan100 (Talk) 7 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dan100 (Talk)

Good to see you around.
I havn't seen you around recently. Glad your back.☺☻(assuming your left which you probaly didn't, I just havn't seen your name around recently) Bawolff ☺☻ 04:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks :) I don't have regular internet access any more, plus, Parliament wasn't sitting, and I haven't written a crossword in a while *blush*. But things are starting to kick off again for a while, so I should be around some more ;) Dysprosia 00:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

VSU article
Great VSU article (Voluntary student unionism bill passes Australian House of Representatives, enters Senate)! However, I have a question about the following sentence: "The Federal Australian Labor Party Opposition, which had originally opposed the introduction of VSU, changed its policy in the support of the automatic unionism of students...". Are you saying that the Opposition changed its policy to now support automatic unionism, or are you saying that they used to support automatic unionism but no longer? It's not quite clear. Thanks! (If you reply, please do so at w:User_talk:Enochlau.) Enochlau 01:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * With regard to this an the other story today: I believe I've met a political junky. What a pleasure :-) Edbrown05 02:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I'll fix the article up. Dysprosia 03:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Voluntary student unionism legislation passes Senate after surprise urgency motion
Dysprosia, I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again - your work covering parliament is brilliant. I can't find a single other news agency that is reporting this yet, they are all still reporting that the bill will be held over until next year. We're first, and I'll bet that no other agency covers the passing of the bill in such depth. Well done! - Borofkin 07:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks :) Dysprosia 03:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Australian Portal
Hi Dysprosia.... Just letting you know that I've comletely redone the Australian Portal - it now displays articles grouped into days, the same as on the main page, and has a lead article. We can set our own standards on the Aussie portal - for example, we could ditch the whole "develop" and "publish" stages if we wanted to, or we could create an "australia-publish" stage, that would cause the article to appear as published on the Australian Portal, but not on the Main Page. Articles are still in the main namespace, however, and still have to be NPOV. Anyway, let me know what you think on the Australian discussion page. - Borofkin 23:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

crossword
Hi, if it’s ok with you, I’m looking at adopting your crosswords that you were doing. Just one question regarding your script, I don’t know anything about that type of script, so is there any software (how do you run) the script. If there is some software, do you know where I could get a copy (prefer freeware). Thank you. Brian New Zealand 02:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The script is written in Perl. Any 'nix system will have Perl available, for Windows, try ActivePerl. However, this script only formats a crossword in text format into the wikiformat so it will look pretty on the site. This version is not so user-friendly as yet, and I need to work on a better version, but you should be able to get somewhere with what's there. Dysprosia 02:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, question 2: I have downloaded ActivePerl, but do you know how to install your script into it? Thanks Brian New Zealand 04:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't use Windows regularly, and it's been a long time since I've used ActivePerl, but you should be able to simply run perl with the script, like "perl blah.pl file1" if the script requires you to specify file1. There's poor documentation on the scripts, so if you want to really learn how to use the scripts, you may be better off learning a bit of Perl until I've rewritten the scripts... sorry about that. Dysprosia 06:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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Hey Dysprosia... I've re-inserted the tag and commented on the talk page. The parliamentary reporting that you do is important - reports on what happens in parliament that are unfiltered by any other news organisation. Wikinews needs more such reporting, so keep it up! - Borofkin 22:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your support :) Dysprosia 11:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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Palestinian Authority bans citizens from carrying weapons

January 27, 2005 The Palestinian Authority banned citizens from carrying weapons this Thursday in a step to reduce violence while negotiations with Israel continue on a proposed ceasefire. In addition, they will appoint a new security minister known for his tough stance against militants — preconditions for peace talks with Israel.

If enforced, this ban will be a strong move against guerilla groups, which actively display their weapons in the Gaza Strip and West Bank due to the lack of control by the Palestinian security forces.

Furthermore, the Palestinian security forces are planning to move in to the southern Gaza Strip to rein in attacks against Israel, to supplement their forces currently deployed in the north.

Mahmoud Abbas' actions are winning praise from Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who said Thursday that conditions are right for a breakthrough toward peace. He said that he is "very satisfied" with his actions, which aim to curb four years of attacks against Israel.


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CNN founder Ted Turner calls Fox News Bush's propaganda machine

January 28, 2005

Ted Turner, the founder of CNN, last Tuesday accused Fox News of being a propaganda mouthpiece for the Bush administration. He likened the network's current popularity to Adolf Hitler's rise to power in pre-war Germany, and criticised the "dumbing down" of news which left the public uninformed of crucial issues.

Turner said, "Adolf Hitler was more popular in Germany in the early 1930s than people that were running against him."

Fox News in turn accused CNN of simple sour grapes.

In a statement, the channel claimed that Ted was "understandably bitter having lost his ratings, his network and now his mind - we wish him well."

Turner resigned from his post as Vice President of AOL Time Warner in January 2003. He remains one of America's largest private landowners, possessing approximately two million acres of land.

Fox News remains the highest rating 24-hour news channel on US cable - but has been highly criticised for its perceived right-wing bias.

Recent House Committee on Government Reform figures by the US Democrats show that the US Administration spent over $US88 million on public relations contracts in 2004, of which 41 per cent were awarded on a non-competitive basis.


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Title must change
Ted Turner is not CNN Chief any longer; not even really associated with it iirc. - Amgine 22:37, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is not good. Move back to Articles in Development? -- Carlosar 23:53, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Figues or figures?
You wrote "figues". Did you not want to mean "figures"?

Spelling & title corrected
I think I've got that lot sorted. Anything else? VikOlliver
 * Well, just nit-picky stuff now. Link to the Wikipedia articles about CNN/Fox, rather than their own sites... Make sure you've covered the Who, What, Where, When, Why, and How questions - if they are relevant (usually most of them are), etc. Good choice on the title, btw, and excellent work! Way to keep cool! - Amgine 00:39, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I'll keep going with the articles. VikOlliver 04:46, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

References?
The SMH requires registration before you can view the article. Is this okay for WN, or should only free to access articles be linked to? Brianmc 09:32, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I originally viewed the article without registration. Now they're asking for registration. Looks like we've hit some change in access policy.

VikOlliver 11:03, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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edit protected Please add this article to Category:CNN. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 01:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
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Talk:Rover finds meteorite on Mars

I have just noticed that wording used in this story is very similar with the following news article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-general-05a.html

I am not sure if this comes from NASA's press release or something else, but hope someone can look into it.

Tomos 22:52, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, indeed, NASA's press release linked from the article has very similar paragraphs. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mer-011905.html

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Wikinews:Briefs/January 28, 2005

The following stories made international headlines today:

International Space Station crew take 5.5 hour spacewalk
Russian Salizhan Sharipov and U.S. Leroy Chiao installed equipment on the exterior of the ISS, including the 20-inch robotic arm. They also inspected and photographed the oxygen generator and carbondioxide scrubber, which have had mechanical issues, and discovered an unexpected patch of oily brownish-black residue near the vents.

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2005 World Social Forum-Brazil coverage

The first day of the World Social Forum wraps up
January 27, 2005

Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has defended himself before over 15 000 activists at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre. He interrupted his speech to respond to hecklers by saying "Those of you that aren't from here, don't be afraid. These people that don't want to listen are sons and daughters of the PT (Partido dos Trabalhadores, "Worker's Party") that rebelled. That's typical of youth and one day they are going to mature and we'll be here with open arms to welcome them back". Supporters also drowned out the hecklers by chanting "Lula" the president's name.

The President also used his speech to help launch an ambitious campaign by 1,000 non-governmental organizations to halve world poverty within ten years. "For the first time, the Forum takes upon itself the task of making a priority of an issue such as poverty," Lula said.

Second day
January 28, 2005
 * Nearly 500 activists from the Campaign Against the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) participated in a meeting to discuss the future of the movement which appeared for the first time in the 2002 WSF. They celebrated the current impasse in the negotiations involving the Free Trade Area of the Americas. João Pedro Stédile, leader of the Landless Workers Movement (MST) and the Vila Campesina movement said that the campaign has been victorious so far.

 * Social movements proposed a mobilization against the poverty and hunger for next September 10. According to Cândido Grzybowski, they planning on mobilizations right around the world. The date, September 10, was chosen because it is near 14 September when there will be a meeting of the United Nations. The date is also the day before the forth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks and they wish to protest against the pecieved unilateralism with which the USA reacted to those attacks.

 * Feminists discussed strategies for the legalization of abortion in Brazil.

 * There was a march called "March Against the Lies and the War of Bush" in protest against the American President George W. Bush.

 * The Portuguese writer José Saramago suggested a more propositive WSF.

Third day
January 29, 2005

 * The Brazilian writer and former Catholic priest Leornado Boff identified what he termed the "Three Wounds" of Brazilian society: colonialism, the past of slavery and the transformation of the country by great multinational companies.

 * According to Boff, the Catholic Church does not have the right to talk about dignity because it is seated in the blood of millions. He still defended that the first right is the right to the life and that other freedoms must come later, including the rights of freedom of movement and freedom of thought.

 * Finally Boff considered three criteria to judge the religious traditions that exist: "All tradition that implies in suffering of any person should be abolished; all religion that violates the human rights must be abandoned; and everything which means the breaking of the land, the water and the environment must be abolished."

 * South America is the absolute priority of the Brazilian external politics according to the special assessor of external politics of the Presidency of the Republic, Marco Aurélio Garcia. (audio)

 * Activists promoted a campaign against Coca-Cola. According to them the Coca-Cola Company is responsible for contamination and crisis of the water supply, unemployment and deaths.

 * Conference with José Saramago, Eduardo Galeano and Ignácio Ramonet.

 * Conference with the Brazilian Minister of Culture Gilberto Gil about Free Software.

Fourth day
January 30, 2005

 * Professor Laurindo Leal, from School of Communication of the University of São Paulo (USP) defended the control of content in the broadcasting network. He cited the USA, France, Germany, Canada, England as good examples how a broadcasting network model should work.

 * The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, arrived. Chavez said it is impossible to solve the severe problems of poverty in the world in Capitalism. "Neither [by] Statism -- Capitalism of the State -- which would be the same Soviet perversion that was the cause of its destruction. But another Socialism which can put the man and not the machine [of State] at the first plan."

 * President Chavez also criticized the President of the USA, George W. Bush. He said Bush promises to be the Superman fighting for the justice. "However, we have the red kryptonite", Chavez said.

 * Chavez defended the control over the media by the State. "The children cannot see this violence and the media cannot transmit calls to the terrorism", he added.

 * Chavez met with the Landless Workers' Movement (MST). The Brazilian Minister of Agrarian Development, Miguel Rossetto, said that the presence of the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, is a homage to the people who try to construct Brazil in a different form.

 * Miguel Rossetto signed, with Chávez, a protocol of intentions for the interchange and reproduction of native seeds for the Brazilian and Venezuelan agriculturists. The Minister and the President also signed a document that initiates the discussion about the creation of the Latin American School of AgroEcology in Brazil, following the model executed in Venezuela.

Fifth day: The closing of the World Social Forum 2005
January 31, 2005

 * Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said that the WSF is of paramount political importance. He participated of a conference with the Brazilian Minister of the Cities Olívio Dutra, the governor of the Paraná Robert Requião, the President of the CUT labour union Marine Luiz, and the managing director of the monthly periodical Le Monde Diplomatique Ignacio Ramonet.

 * Activists protested against US President George W. Bush.

 * There was a farewell show, with musical presentations and of dance.

Related news

 * The World Social Forum kicks off in Porto Alegre. January 27, 2005

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Zhao Ziyang's funeral scheduled for Saturday

Chinese Communist leaders and the family of the late purged party chief, Zhao Ziyang, have agreed to bury him on Saturday, nearly two weeks after his death. The burial has been delayed over disagreements between Mr. Zhao's family and the government over the funeral arrangements.

For many in China and overseas, the former premier of Communist Party general secretary symbolized the drive for a reassessment of the government's 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in Tiananmen Square.

In the two weeks since his death, police have been posted outside the Beijing home where Mr. Zhao spent his last 15 years under house arrest and where hundreds have been assembling to pay tribute. Agents have been turning many of the mourners away.

The leadership wants the ceremony on Saturday to take place out of the public eye and officials announced Thursday that foreign journalists would not be allowed to cover it. However, Mr. Zhao's family has asked for appropriate honors in keeping with his status as a former party chief.

Instead of being given the customary state funeral to reflect his former positions, he will be given a more low-key ceremony.

Disagreement between the family and the government about what should be said at the funeral was part of the delay. Zhao's family disagrees with the government over the correctness of Zhao's actions regarding Tiananmen Square.

State-controlled newspapers and broadcasts have been devoid of news on Zhao's death and on what his eulogy will say.

Cheng Li, a professor of government at Hamilton College in New York, says the Communist leaders have been trying to ensure that Mr. Zhao's funeral and eulogy do not ignite what might be an explosive new debate.

"They don't want to see it widely publicized," he said. "Certainly, they don't want to repeat what happened 16 years ago because of the emotions and other things could lead to a very sustained, prolonged event."

Analysts say the government sees a parallel with the death of another reformer, party leader Hu Yaobang, which sparked the demonstrations in May and June of 1989.

Mr. Zhao, then the Communist party chief, went to the square two weeks before the crackdown and tearfully urged the students to abandon their protest.

Shortly after, the leadership accused him of sympathizing with the demonstrators and trying to split the party. He was ousted as party chief and placed under house arrest until his death on January 17th at the age of 85.

While many young people in China today do not remember Mr. Zhao as an advocate of reform, emotions remain high among those who do recall his role. Witnesses on Thursday said guards beat a number of people - some of them elderly - who have been trying to pay tribute to the late leader outside government offices in Beijing over the past few days.


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28 alleged Putin insulters freed from police custody

About twenty eight human rights activists who had been imprisoned on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 have now mostly been freed from police custody following rapid international solidarity appeals. The activists had been imprisoned in relation to their protest in the main square of Krakow, Poland, against the presence of Vladimir Putin at the ceremonies for the 60th anniversary of the freeing of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp.

At least two people were officially charged, under Article 136 of Polish criminal law, with the offence of insulting a head of state, namely, Vladimir Putin, but it remains unclear how many people in total have been charged with this offence.

Vladimir Putin, who is suspected to be responsible for war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity in Chechnya, was neither detained nor arrested during his visit to Poland.

Photographs

 * http://pl.indymedia.org/pl/2005/01/11499.shtml
 * http://pl.indymedia.org/pl/2005/01/11447.shtml

Films

 * http://video.indymedia.org/download/%5BIndymedia%5D_%282005-01-27%29_demo_066.mov
 * http://video.indymedia.org/download/%5BIndymedia%5D_%282005-01-27%29_demo_068.mov
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China detains and beats mourners for Zhao Ziyang

The People's Republic of China intensified security to prevent mourners attending funeral in Beijing for Zhao Ziyang. Mr. Zhao was the former Communist Party secretary general who was purged for opposing the 1989 military crackdown on the Tiananmen Square student movement. He died two weeks ago at age 85, having spent the last fifteen years of his life under house arrest. According to a story released by the Agence France-Presse anonymous witnesses said the government detained several people in Beijing. They claim some of these people were severely beaten. A man who preferred to be anonymous said: "A man from Henan province was beaten badly. His left eyeball looked like it was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye. An elderly woman from Shandong province was beaten to a point where she couldn't move and a man from Hunan province was also beaten."

According to the witness the police argued Zhao was a political criminal. They said:"Why are you commemorating him? You're clearly opposing the government."

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Hi. I've used the original frame table markup instead. The crossword table overlaps the Down clues in my browser. Thanks Dysprosia 09:42, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't like this layout. One can always print landscape if the original format doesn't print nicely. Let me try a different layout, and let me know what you think. Dysprosia 09:48, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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P&G to acquire Gillette for US$57 billion

American manufacturing giant (P&G) plans to acquire  for US$57 billion in stock. The purchase plan calls for P&G to swap 0.975 shares of its stock per share of Gillete Co. P&G also announced a stock buyback program in which they would purchase up to US$22 billion of shares over the next 18 months. Including the stock buyback program, the merger is being financed by 60 percent stock and 40 percent cash.

P&G is known for brands such as and  washing powder,  cosmetics,  potato crisps (chips) and  and Lacoste perfumes.

Gillette, known for brands such as razors,  dental care, and  batteries, has had growing problems with the growth of private labels and price cuts demanded by large supermarkets.

After the acquisition is completed, Gillette's CEO will be P&G's vice-chairman. Kilts said that he expects that this acquisition will cause additional mergers to take place.

"I believe the consumer product industry needs to consolidate," said Kilts, "we believe we can bring these companies together and create a juggernaut."

P&G and Gillette have a combined market capitalization of about $185 billion US, which will make it the largest in the sector.

Layoffs
The early morning announcement states that 6,000 employees will be eliminated. Most of the layoffs will result from reducing overlapping management positions and other supporting positions within the combined company.

Antitrust regulators in the US and Europe plan to review the acquisition, to determine whether the combined company will have too much power over pricing and shelf space.

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January 28, 2007

Feel free to use the Wikimedia sites to solve our Wikinews crossword (Please do not fill it out online as it would spoil it for other people, print it out and fill it in at you own leisure!)

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Telekom Austria could take-over Romanian mobile telephony giant

Communications corporation Telekom Austria has stated that it intends to expand in southeastern Europe and is specifically targeting the Romanian mobile phone giant Mobifon, which operates under the brand name Connex. Mobifon's Connex GSM network is the second-largest in Romania, with more than 4.9 million subscribers. Mobifon is also one of the largest and best-known Romanian companies, as well as one of the largest ISPs in the region.

Several sources have stated that Vodafone, which has an important share in Mobifon, could sell its shares to Telekom Austria to take-over the Romanian operator for approximately 3 billion euro.

This is not the first attempt by Telekom Austria in its drive towards expansion in the region. At the end of 2004, it signed an agreement to buy Mobiltel from the Bulgarian government for 1.6 billion euro. Telekom Austria also intends to expand into Serbia and Bosnia in 2005, followed by Macedonia and Montenegro.

Mobifon, the Romanian operator, is currently a branch of Telesystems International Wireless (TIW), a Canadian communications company which also owns the Oskar brand in Czechia. The main shareholders in TIW are Netherlandic operator Mobifon Holdings BV, with 63.45% share, as well as Vodafone Europe BV (20.15% participation) and Deraso Holding BV (14.4% participation).

With 4.9 million customers, Mobifon has significant market share of Romania's 10.2 million mobile phone subscribers. It also plans to be the first operator to establish a 3G network across the country.


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Talk:P&G to acquire Gillette for US$57 billion

Has anyone figured out which products overlap between these two companies?

I wonder if any products or brand names will receive second billing, or be gradually phased out as a result of this merger?

As long as they don't mess with my Pringles...

— DV 14:08, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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See my user page on en:Wikipedia for details.

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Welcome!
And thanks for your edits on British serial killer murdered 250! - Amgine 16:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Honduras' Head of Congress illegally standing for President

Head of Congress Porfirio "Pepe" Lobo is illegally standing in the February 20th internal party elections for President of Honduras, according to a group of 20 well known lawyers from the capital Tegucigalpa. This is because in the run up to the previous elections it was decided by the 5 presidential candidates, including fellow National Party member and current President Ricardo Maduro, to support a ban on members of the National Congress from standing for President. This was in order to discourage people from using the Congress as a launch pad for their presidential aspirations. A constitutional reform to this effect was then passed by the Congress while it was headed by Mr Lobo. This law appears to have been conveniently forgotten until yesterday when these lawyers made a public announcement calling on both The Supreme Electoral Tribune and the Public Ministry to determine the illegality of Pepe Lobo's candidacy, and to act in the case of his not being allowed to stand.


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Wikinews talk:Template messages

This page is a sloppy copy of Template messages. Please help me fix it. JRM 21:05, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Template for objectionable/disturbing content or external link?
In a recent Wikinews article (of unknown authenticity), a message about possibly disturbing content was attached to an external link pointing to a video. Would it be helpful to have a template message for possibly objectionable content, modeled after the warning at the top of the Abu Ghraib torture story? - McCart42 19:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More categorizing
I'm not very happy with the current info on TM's. A mile long list is still not categorized, info is unclear and there are no greater patterns: TM's seem to be generated at random. Could someone find order to this chaos? And perhaps develop a TM Policy to regulate the creation of new TM's? -- Redge (Talk) 16:23, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Original Reporting" messages and similar sideboxes should be inline with the article
If we leave these boxes on the side in a seperate section, it looks ugly and wastes space. If we allow them to be inline with the article, the text can use the other half and space is saved. That's why I created the template like that: so it can be placed inline with articles. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 14:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Template categorization
I noticed Template:Infobox Wackynews on an article, but I can't find if there are other similar infoboxes. Maybe templates should be categorized using so editors can browse them. (SEWilco 21:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC))

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Talk:New York radio station apologises after 'humorous' tsunami song

People tend to have a bit of trouble spelling this word, but it's humorous, even in British English! -- Arwel 22:18, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Man convicted of murdering wife 28 years ago

Retired schoolteacher Gordon Park, 61, was today convicted of murdering his wife in July 1976, after a ten week long trial known as the "Lady in the Lake" case.

Mother of three Carol Park disappeared from her home near Barrow, Cumbria, in July 1976 when she was 30 years old. She had had a tempestuous relationship with her husband, and had previously twice left him to live with a lover. Park reported that she was missing from their home when he returned with his children from a day trip to the seaside resort of Blackpool. Because of her earlier disappearances, he did not report her missing to the police for six weeks, shortly before she would have been expected to start a new school year as a teacher.

A jury at Manchester Crown Court however heard evidence that the keen climber and sailor had bludgeoned her to death with an ice axe, tied her body up in a foetal position, and wrapped it in plastic and a weighted carpet and dumped the body in Coniston Water, the third largest lake in England. The body was discovered by an amateur diving team in 1997. The jury heard that if the body had been dumped only a few feet further from the shore, it is likely that it would have sunk to the deepest part of the lake beyond the reach of divers, and would never have been found.

Park was arrested and charged with the murder in 1997, but his trial then collapsed through lack of evidence. Further evidence came to light, including geological evidence that the rocks which were used to weigh down the body were of a rare type which happened to be found in the rockery of the Parks' house, and the meticulous knots used to tie up the body were described as "unusual", of the type used by climbers or sailors, and Park was re-arrested in 2004.

The prosecution admitted that most of the evidence against Park was circumstantial, and there were some exclamations of surprise in the public gallery when the jury returned its verdict. In a plea of mitigation, defending lawyer Mr Andrew Edis QC said that Park, who had subsequently remarried twice, had lead an otherwise blameless life. Trial judge Mr Justice McCombe said that he was not sure if there was a significant degree of planning in the murder, but he did take into account the degree of violence employed in the killing, and the degree of suffering endured by many people, not least the Park children, because of the concealment of the crime for so long, in passing a sentence of life imprisonment with a recommendation that Park not be considered for parole for 15 years.


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Wikinews talk:Water cooler/policy/Archive/11

Press releases
Has then been any discussion regarding the use of press releases to date? Are there any guidelines for their use? I assume there're no copyright issues (press releases being in the public domain). The main reason I'm interested is because one of the most reknowned news websites in New Zealand, www.scoop.co.nz Scoop.co.nz], relies exclusively, with exception to commentary, on press releases for its source of news and publishes them verbatim. Straight from every horses mouth, no filtering, no restrictions on who is published. It doesn't get more neutral than that. And since NPOV is policy of Wikinews it seems to me that such a strategy is also in the interests of Wikinews; we could have a section where all press releases are published verbatim. Great source of news of course too. Christiaan 00:14, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I strongly oppose any direct use of press releases. In my experience reading them (and creating them, at times), press releases are amongst the most POV things you can have. Every company claims to be "the world leader in ______", and to have invented the "most efficient _______". The core of good journalism is to never believe anything anyone says without verification. Having press releases verbatim would violate that principle. -- IlyaHaykinson 00:25, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * They're only POV if their content is published under the guise of journalistic writing. Publishing a press release verbatim does not mean the publisher believes what is said in the press release. What makes a PR NPOV is that you know exactly who is making the statement. Once a journalist starts filtering this line becomes extremely fuzzy. I'm not suggesting we publish press releases as if they're news stories, I'm suggesting we have a section that is clearly for press releases. Christiaan 08:54, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I see no reason to do this, though. There are thousands of press releases daily, and none of them benefit from the nature of a Wiki. Either they are launching points for stories (in which case they are too POV, usually), or they have to be protected (and might as well be a non-wiki site elsewhere). In addition there are already sites that do this very well. I think the power of Wikinews is expressed in having humans collaborate to analyze information and present it to the readership — just listing some company or government announcements is nothing new and nothing that our users can't get elsewhere. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:02, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, you make some good points but you don't address the fact that it's very useful as a news reader to be able to refer to press releases in order to make some of your own judgements. Press releases may not benefit from the nature of a Wiki however Wikinews is primarily a news site and newsreaders benefit from the ability to refer to press releases when reading news articles. Traditionally this has been an impossiblity due to the restrictions that newspapers, etc. have in regards to space. We, of course, don't have this restriction. Christiaan 09:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think I may see your point about needing to refer to some press releases. However I continue to think that Wikinews is not the right place for this. Perhaps there is another place for this in WikiSource though. -- IlyaHaykinson 16:51, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, I think I might take this discussion to meta and see what people have to say. PRs on either Wikisource or a section on Wikinews would be of benefit to readers and writer of news on Wikinews it seems to me. Christiaan 18:40, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What Wikinews is not addresses press releases directly: Wikinews articles are not press releases. Publishing the drivel from PR personnel is not "neutral", as you suggest, it is giving others a forum and having no discernment. As for Scoop, it is not "reknowned"; it is at most infamous, and is known for potentially current/cutting edge but more predominately untrustworthy urban mythos/ad copy/investment spam. And it is not a major site in terms of NZ traffic, even NZ news traffic. You can't draw much with raw advertising; there has to be content. Reliable, believable, trustable content.  - Amgine

 * Like I said above, I'm not suggesting we publish press releases as if they're Wikinews stories. I'm suggesting we create a separate section for them altogether. Call Scoop what you like (it has in fact won awards for "best content" on New Zealand's version of Webby Awards: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/20/ea/200110041409.9c322297.html ), I was simply citing it is an example of a very good news source. It's extremely useful as a news reader to be able to go and read exactly what the prime minister said instead of reading what some journalist believed she said. This is what makes it NPOV. I would like to be able to read a news story on Wikinews and then have the option of being able to refer to all the press releases related to that story so I can make some of my own judgements about what each party has to say about any given situation. What you're basically suggesting is that Wikinews readers are too dumb to judge press releases and that they need your superior powers of deduction before they can go away enlightened as to the "truth". Yeah right. Christiaan 09:11, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Christiaan, please don't try to give scoop any "cited" benefits by linking to them. They are already less than a tenth of the traffic of Wikinews (see www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=3m&size=medium&y=r&url=wikinews.org#top) primarily due to their content. - Amgine 20:03, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Amgine I'm really not interested in your little power games. I will link to whoever I think appropriate. Christiaan 20:34, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

When using a press release to create a story, people may want to keep in mind the following: 1. Press releases are copyrighted unless otherwise noted. 2. Press releases are inherently POV in nature. 3. Press releases, being an official statement from a concerned party, may be used as source material for quotes (but keep in mind No. 2) as long at the source is cited as being a press release or a "statement." -- Davodd | Talk 07:42, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Are press releases really copyrighted? My understanding is that they are released into the public domain by definition. Press releases, if published verbatim, are NPOV because you know exactly who is making the statement. Christiaan 08:49, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I point you to the copyright statement of this press release as an example that not all press releases are in the public domain. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:02, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * That's one example. My understanding is that this, strictly speaking, cannot be called a press release. Christiaan 09:20, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Here are some possible answers:

 * "Once that press release or PSA is sent out, you cannot take it out of circulation, and you can't control its use. It has been publicly distributed, and it is probably public domain under the copyright law. Anyone who has it can use it for any purpose." (D.R. Yale and A.J. Carothers, The publicity handbook : the inside scoop from more than 100 journalists and PR pros on how to get great publicity coverage : in print, online, and on the air, Chicago, Ill.: NTC Business Books, 2001, p. 66.)

 * "Companies (and indeed organizations generally) produce many documents. Some of these are in the public domain, such as annual reports, mission statements, press releases, advertisements, and public relations material in printed form or on the World Wide Web." (A. Bryman, Social research methods, Oxford ; New York: Oxford University Press, 2004, p. 376.)

 * "information that has always been in the public domain but was previously inaccessible to most people - because it was held in some special place, or released only to specialists. Press releases, for instance, once landed only on the desks of journalists. Now anybody can read press releases on a company's Web site." (F. Cairncross, The death of distance : how the communications revolution is changing our lives, Boston: Harvard Business School Press, 2001, p. 80.)

 * Christiaan 09:57, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Press releases have to be part of a larger story
Hi Christiaan,

One of your citations contains this revealing little snippet:

"'the inside scoop from more than 100 journalists and PR pros on how to get great publicity coverage'"

While I think a repository of interesting, Wikinews-selected press releases would be interesting to browse, you are touching the third rail on an open source/everything-is-free site when you suggest anything that will help commercial interests to "get great publicity coverage".

While I don't think everyone on Wikinews and its sister projects is an anti-capitalist, anti-corporate activist, there are enough contributors with such political views that such a proposal will not even be considered. Take it or leave it, that's the politics on the ground.

However, I am sure no one will object if you can find two sides to a given press release, where one side puts the featured company in a bad light, or exposes some additional angle that the issuer of the press release may not have anticipated. Another way to use press releases would be to compare and contrast the claims made in other press releases from the company's competitors, which could also show a larger trend that is forming as a result of the press release.

It isn't news unless there is a controversy of some sort. Posting uncritical copies of press releases is not reporting the news.

It's hard enough that we have so little reporting that Wikinews is largely a news aggregator. Let's not make it worse by blindly copying other sources.

Cheers,

— DV 10:28, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi David, thanks for the considered response. It's interesting that you mention the views of anti-capitalists, etc. as been in opposition to such an idea. I very much consider myself an anarchist and an anti-capitlalist, and I consider the idea of publishing press releases verbatim for the purposes of complimenting news stories very much in keeping with such a world-view (for reasons I've mentioned above).

 * The thing about news is that it is very much publicity, by definition. And the thing about press releases is that anyone can write one. One of the biggest lies in the media world today is the idea that there is such a thing as objective news, even that which attempts a NPOV. Knowing who is saying what and what their world-view happens to be is key to getting around this problem.

 * You wrote, "posting uncritical copies of press releases is not reporting the news," and I agree, it's making accessible what people are saying with regard to the news. I want to emphasise again that I am not suggesting publishing press releases as if they are news stories, but as press releases, period.

 * One thought I've had is to go about adding links to press releases for relevant news articles. The problem with this of course is that links can disappear and we have no control over what is at the other end. Publishing press releases verbatim on Wikinews would stand as a record (what Wikisource is to Wikipedia if you will (maybe that's where they should be?)).

 * Anybody is welcome to contribute to Wikinews so a selection of press releases, as you suggest, would work fine it seems to me. Christiaan 13:32, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

My take: press releases form the basis of any news story that isn't original reporting, or re-hashing of original reporting. Much of what you read anywhere is based on press releases. We'd be mad to ignore them. Whether they're POV or not is irrelevant; it only matters that articles are NPOV. Certainly I make much use of them as sources, and will continue to do so. Dan100 (Talk) 17:48, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW we're not talking about copying and pasting press releases as Wikinews articles, are we?! I'd never do that. I might base an article on a press release, but I'll write my own article in my own words, and use my judgement. Dan100 (Talk) 17:52, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The original suggestion, if I understood it correctly, was to allow press releases to be posted en masse and without editing. - Amgine 18:16, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes that's correct Amgine, but in a section separate to some degree from new articles. Kind of like what Wikisource is to Wikipedia. Christiaan 18:34, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think we can do better to that. I think we should say 'no' to un-edited press releases, but encourage their use in writing articles. Dan100 (Talk) 18:36, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Press releases on Wikisource
It seems that press releases would indeed fit the policy of Wikisource: ''Currently, Wikisource documents must have been previously published and be in the public domain or covered by an open source license. There are currently no other requirements.''

So, for the basis of a wider discussion what I'll do is pick out a story (one that I can find a bunch of related press releases for) and create an example whereby there is a news story on Wikinews which includes at the bottom a link to relevant press releases which I'll put on Wikisource. I'll then post links to this discussion, and the examples, to meta and a couple of email lists. And we can go from there. Christiaan 19:14, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Christiaan: If the press release is already previously published, why put it on Wikisource? Just add the PR link as a source to the article. - Amgine 20:06, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * It's okay not to like the idea Amigine. I think it's a good idea and one worth having a wider discussion about. The reason to keep our own copy of press releases is, as I wrote above, because we have no control over external links; they might disappear or get edited. You argument doesn't follow, the same could be said about a lot of text on Wikisource. Christiaan 20:30, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * This is why we call them "sources" and not "references". Although on Wikinews we do want verifiability where possible, it is not a make-or-break situation as it is on Wikipedia. My question is, why should they be on Wikimedia servers at all. It is already clear they should not be on Wikinews. I accept they *can* be on Wikisource, I just don't see the point since hosting press releases is already done (see Reference desk for a list of commercial aggregators). - Amgine 20:53, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Copying press releases verbatim into any wikimedia project will, in the vast majority cases, result in eventual deletion due to copyright issues since most come from companies who will not give up control of their name, brand name, logo, statements or other material included in the content of the release. And to answer a previously asked question: YES, press releases are copyrighted unless the writer or source specificaly states they are released into the public domain — it doesn't matter if there is a visible "©" symbol or not. If they survive the copyright challenge, being that they are written as the official statement - or opinion - of a specific side, they are inherently POV in that thly respresent the Point Of View of a particular individual, group or corporation. All Wikimedia Foundation projects (with the exception of wikisource) require that all content represent a neutral point of view - which by definition almost preemtively negates any addtion of "cut and paste" inclusion of any press release regardless of its copyright status. -- Davodd | Talk 01:11, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Precisely, with the exception of Wikisource. Can you cite something that will back up your claim that press releases are copyrighted. I've cited a number of reputable sources that claim they're in the public domain. Christiaan 07:56, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * According to the U.S. copyright law, anything created by anyone is under copyright protection. In order to be in the public domain (or licensed under a specific license), the work must be explicitely released into it. -- IlyaHaykinson 08:06, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes I realise this, but one, this is the U.S., and two, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if for whatever reason press releases were an exception. Why do so many reputable sources claim they are in the public domain? I'd like proof either way as this could put this discussion to bed before we spend too much energy on it. Christiaan 08:31, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * That's not just U.S. law - it's the International Copyright Convention rule as ratified by these countries (most of the world). Basically, once something is written, it is automatically covered by a copyright. The owner then must take specific steps to release it into the public domain for it to be eligible for cut and paste-type inclusion here. If someone does cut and paste press releases to Wikinews without written permission of the rightful owner to release their work into the public domain, rest assured, there will be no shortage of Wikinews members here to slap a copyvio tag on it and quickly vote for it to be deleted from our servers.
 * FYI: Sample copyright statements and usage restrictions by sources of press releases
 * Businesswire U.S., Canada
 * PR Newswire U.S., Canada, Australia, UK
 * PRWeb U.S., UK, China, France, Canada, Latin America
 * -- Davodd | Talk 08:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm still not convinced. I'd like to see a case in law or some opinions from lawyers. The word "release" could for instance be the "specific step" you're talking about. Who knows? I don't and I'm not sure you do either. Christiaan 13:32, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * On case Law: Most countries in the world do not recognize case law as valid (Only the U.S., the UK, Canada and a few other countries have a case law-inclusive legal system.) It seems to me that you are the only one confused by the concept of statutory copyrights. So, this leads us to the first rule of proactive quality control (CYA) in journalism: When in doubt, leave it out. – which applies to this case. BTW: I am done with this conversation since intelligent, constructive discussion has devolved into conjecture for conjecture's sake. -- Davodd | Talk 22:55, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Christiaan, it doesn't matter what any lawyer's opinion is about this matter.
 * These organizations are explicitly prohibiting anyone from copying, aggregating, or storing their press releases on another site for retrieval.
 * These organizations are also much larger than Wikimedia, and undoubtedly have large legal staffs that would be more than happy to send out a DMCA take-down notice, (or even an old-school Cease and Desist) that would create all sorts of legal problems.
 * Please, let's not abuse the privilege of editing on Wikinews, a site the Foundation is providing to us for free, by risking a lawsuit over something which we can easily avoid.
 * Regards, — DV 13:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * DV, can we keep the straw man arguments out of this? I wasn't specifically talking about the examples above. Christiaan 14:13, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * IMHO I would expect that most organisations and politicians would be horrified if their press/media releases were considered public domain and able to be editied, modified or otherwise changed by third parties into a neutral article or story and then have the story attributed (in part) to the organisation concerned. Press/media releases are all about an organisation telling their story, with their spin. It might be their news but it may not be neutral or balanced. Quoting a substantial part of a press/media release as part of a story is probably fair use but copying the text verbatim and not writing a story around it is lazy journalism and is a poor practice that leads to unethical and biased reporting. If you cannot do better than an organisation's press/media release do not even waste your time copying it - just post a URL to link to the original media release and provide a resource for someone else to write a story - they will if it is newsworthy.

 * BTW I have watched Scoop in New Zealand for several years. In my view it is a Press/Media Release publishing site. The press releases it posts are full of POV, not NPOV. Scoop advantage is that it gets the Press/Media Release out there quickly. The people who make and read Press/Media Releases are prepared pay Scoop to publish Press/Media Releases - which is why it makes money and doesn't have (too many) copyright problems. -- Huttite 22:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Tech company press releases?
I've seen a lot of tech company articles which were pretty close to press releases. Its pretty easy to fix the political ones. But its POV when an Apple fanboy's article about a new iPods doesn't mention the ongoing battery life issue.
 * Well, to be the annoying user I am - I'd disagree with you when you say that political POV is "easy" to clean up in an article. :P .  But yes, there are issues with some of the technology articles.  Mostly, however, in the iPod case - issues with the batteries are not that widespread, and the main "issue" was a result of an urban myth, which has been mostly erradicated from current models (faulty batteries are going to happen in every electronic device that utilizes a rechargable battery).  --Mrmiscellanious 03:29, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was actually talking about the general unreplacability issue, but yes I guess tehy fixed up a lot of things. Anyway, I do feel that political bias is easier to detect them advertising bias.  And I feel advertising bias is actually more dangerous to the wiki in the long run.

What is user Edbrown05 doing?
Why is user Edbrown05 acting crazy. Making nonsensical comments, putting comments in places that make no sense and you have no idea what he's even talking about. I think he's perhaps just trying to be amusing. Would someone remind him that wikinews is not a chat room nor a place for him to amuse himself? --MateoP 04:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is absolutely a place to amuse myself, sometimes I even write a story. -Edbrown05 05:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * But I do realize I am getting close to crossing that invisible line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior, it's in my nature to push that. -Edbrown05 05:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:2005 World Social Forum-Brazil coverage

How do I put a date here? -- carlosar 01:18, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:China detains and beats mourners for Zhao Ziyang

There is no sounding evidence in support of the whole article at all. I suspect it was "created" with imagination by the cited source.King Ho Cheung 05:52, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, I saw similar on Digitial China... don't have the source handy though. - Amgine 05:07, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I dont see reason for doubt. Can you elaborate? The wife Zhao's former aide Bao Tong was certainly beaten when trying to visit his house...so people have indeed been beaten. maybe we can do a better job attributing comments to their source. --Jiang 05:52, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I am against anonymous accusations generally. However we must account that China is not a free speech country and that it is not the first time something like that is denounced. So I am favour to the publication of this article. Anyway I praises some investigation about the case. -- carlosar 13:46, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I removed the objections-tag since I think that there is no reason anymore. Case someone didn't agree put it back again. -- Carlosar 02:04, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "AFP" itself is not sufficient to support the whole argument. We can't verify the reliability of the source; it appears that there're no similar reports by other news agencies, such as AP, Reuters etc. And I still highly believe that the cited photo or references're stories created with possible political motives. Also, I think linking to "Human Rights Watch" is not quite appropriate, as it is trying to use past events to suggest that the current event is justified. King Ho Cheung 12:39, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The photograph is what bothers me. There are several problems with it, but I'm not a doctor, so perhaps someone else could speak to this? First off, the blood is mostly quite red, which means it would have to be a picture that was taken on or near the scene of the beatings. Also, I see no skin discoloration or open wounds under the blood. It seems quite odd that a beating that could cause that much blood loss would result in so little bruising or open wounds. Also, the man is wearing a flower, which, unless I'm mistaken, is a symbol of a political movement, and which would almost certainly have been removed during the beating. Thus, we know that at least one item has been added after the fact, making the whole more suspect. Ajs 19:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, even the cited photo itself is problematic. It makes me disappointed to find Wikinews has become a portal for spreading political views of some parties, instead of reporting news of reliable nature, if reallyKing Ho Cheung 14:31, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute
A man who preferred to be anonymous said: "A man from Henan province was beaten badly. ...
 * ''anonymous witnesses said the government detained several people in Beijing. They claim some of these people were severely beaten.
 * His left eyeball looked like it was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye.
 * An elderly woman from Shandong province was beaten to a point where she couldn't move and
 * a man from Hunan province was also beaten."

An accuracy dispute may not be raised without evidence. Please present this evidence here.

Evidence the facts of the article are incorrect
The "blood" looks like tomato sauce or other artificial coloring, & it's illogical that no "blood" has spilled on his clothes if he has really been beaten short time ago, with His left eyeball looked like it was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye. The flower should have been removed if so... No similar reports by major news agencies... His "tidy" clothes should have shown minimum signs of fighting (e.g. torn) if so...

King Ho Cheung 14:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Use of sources/links
In an article, the use of links are defined as follows:
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 * Links to related Wikinews, Wikipedia articles, Wikisource documents, Commons and Upload files
 * Sources (used in article)
 * Online articles or sites - these are by nature ephemeral and may change, move, or disappear
 * Witnesses and personal observations - these are elements of Original reporting and should be archived online under Talk:Article name/Notes
 * References
 * Texts - should be cited using Author, Title of work, Publisher, copyright and year of publication, ISBN if available
 * Periodical artical (Journals, magazines, newspapers, etc.) cite Author, Title of article, Title of periodical, Volume and/or issue, Publisher, additional identifying characteristics if known.
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 * Online articles or sites which contain related subject matter. Wikinews does not take any responsibility for nor imply support or a relationship with external sites


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Hamas takes victory in Gaza elections

January 29, 2005

Hamas, a radical islamist party, has won by a large majority in the Gaza Strip council elections held last month. Hamas won 75 out of the 118 seats, with Fatah, the party of Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas only managing to secure 39 seats. Of the ten council areas in Gaza, Hamas has control of seven.

Fathiya Barghouti Rheime, a 30-year-old high school teacher, and mother of two, was one of the seven Hamas mayors elected in the Gaza strip. She has become the second female mayor of a Palestinian community, and the first ever elected one. "It's a sign of change," she said "I'm deeply concerned about transmitting the picture of the active Islamic woman to the world, to wipe away the blemish of the veil."

In the West Bank, Female candidates won 52 of 306 seats. Two and a half times the number of seats that had been reserved for women.

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Sorry i only wrote one paragraph, but i gtg. I will add some more as soon as i get back. The bellman 05:49, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

American Double Standard
I write this as a proud Irish-American who strongly believes that the partisan of Ireland in 1922 was illegal. The British and Ulster Unionists gerrymandered a border to artificially create a rump-Ulster that would have a majority of Unionists. That having been said, there is a double standard being applied to Hamas by Western media and many Americans in general. The IRA and its political wing, Sein Fein, ran a terrorist organization and stood for political office. While the vast majority of the IRA and Sein Fein have since renounced violence, that was not so from the 1960s to the mid-1990s. During that time, many Americans donated money to support the IRA, Sein Fein, and like-minded pro-IRA organizations. It has only been now, since 9/11, that Democrats like Ted Kennedy and Republicans like Peter King have distanced themselves from Gerry Adams.

My point is this: a lot is being made about Hamas pre-election polls. Americans and Israelis are complaining that Hamas can not be part of the Palestinians government because they are, and support, terrorism. While no one would criticize Israel for not wanting to sit down with terrorists, Americans of both parties did force the British to sit down with terrorists. In addition, the PLO and Yasser Arafat were terrorists and/or supporting terrorists when the Americans of both parties made Israel sit down at the Madrid Conference and Oslo Accords. So what is the difference between the IRA, the PLO, and Hamas? All are terrorist organizations. All want to be part of the political process. We’ve said yes to two and now we’re criticizing Hamas?


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User:Dysprosia~enwikinews

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User:Mats Halldin

Hello! I live in Stockholm Sweden and I'm mostly active on the Swedish Wikinews. If you need my attention quickly try my Swedish talk page.

/ Mats

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User:Fruggo

See: w:nl:Gebruiker:Fruggo

title: User:Fruggo