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User:Milant

My name is Milan. I work on Вики Вести. I speak English very well. For more info on me go to my user page on Wikipedia in serbian.

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Daisuke Enomoto will be the fourth space tourist at the ISS

March 10, 2006

Japanese entrepreneur, 34, is set to become the fourth private citizen in space. The -based company "Space Adventures", which specializes in spaceflight-related travel, announced on March 7 that Enomoto was approved by the Russian space agency as a flight candidate.

Enomoto has now passed the physical examinations necessary to be cleared for training, finished the medical preparation, and signed the contract for the flight. His training with the Russian Federal Space Agency will include physical and aeronautical preparation as well as Russian language instruction.

Enomoto will be the first Japanese person to fly to the International Space Station (ISS). His trip, to take place in a Soyuz TMA-9 rocket, is scheduled for September, with a ticket price of US$20 million.

United States entrepreneur returned from the ISS in October 2005; previous space vacationers were American  in 2001 and South African  in 2002.


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Czech pub food eating experiment resulted in lost weight, lower cholesterol

March 10, 2006

On February 8, the same day Super Size Me opened in Prague, a Czech film company's volunteer known as Karel Gustav Bozan began a 1 month diet of Czech pub food and beer in a Czech version called "Super Spek Me"; which translates loosely as "Super Flab Me".

Zuzana Pudilova of Aerofilms described the volunteer at that time: "He is a well-built man between 45 and 50. He is almost 2 metres tall, he is not exactly thin but until now he has had quite a healthy lifestyle."

Karel ate typical Czech pub food for an entire month with three rules: no vegetables or fresh fruit (unless they came with a meal) no exercise, and lots of beer.

Karel's menu consisted entirely of typical Czech dishes. Obesity therapist, Iva Malkova, had warned at the beginning of the project: "People in the Czech Republic eat much more fat, especially animal fat than is recommended." Pub meals in the Czech Republic often consist of such fatty items as goose with dumplings or sausages.

Yesterday the results were announced; Karel lost six kilos, his cholesterol went down and so did his liver enzymes, triglyceride and uric acid levels. His blood pressure did not change. At his interview with Radio Prague he said: "I feel good, great! The food was varied and there were even enough greens in the garnish. As for beer, I tried to alternate brands but I always settled it with Pilsner. I liked the experiment, it was all paid for by the distributor, Aerofilms. I would do it again, maybe they will propose it to me!"

Zuzana Pudilova of Aerofilms said: "The result of the experiment is surprising - both for us and the experts who monitored it. The medical report says our volunteer has lost weight and his blood sugar has dropped. So we have come to the conclusion that fatty Czech pub grub is not all that bad for you - which I guess wasn't meant to be the result of the experiment at all."


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Japanese Buddhist priest arrested for child prostitution

March 10, 2006

A 73-year-old Buddhist priest and temple nursery school director was arrested for soliciting a child prostitute, police reported on Friday.

Itsushi Ehara, chief priest of Komyoji Temple in Aki-ku, Hiroshima, is alleged to have violated the Japanese Anti-Child Prostitution and Pornography Law.

Police state that Ehara admitted to the allegations during questioning, responding "I did it to alleviate my work stress." Police also claim that he confessed to membership in child prostitution clubs, and has paid several high school girls to have sex with him on more than 20 occasions.

Tokyo police allege that Ehara paid 80,000 yen to a 15-year-old girl, a first-year high school student, to have sex with him at a hotel in Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo, in August 2004.


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Talk:USA leaving Abu Ghraib

Developing story as lead?
Is it a good idea to be setting a story as the lead when it's not published yet? ironiridis 15:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Published, so never mind. ironiridis 19:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

picture help needed
Im incompetent. Cant get image to work in article using same code as wikipedia us in this article. International 19:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That image is hosted on Wikipedia. Because there is no source information (where the image came from) it will not be accepted on Commons. Because of this we cannot use that image. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 19:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just going to say that. ironiridis 19:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Title/Content

 * I though tthe prison was going to be turned over to the iraqi's? at least thats what I have been seeing. Jason Safoutin 21:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's also what I saw on t.v., that would be turned over to the Iraqis. --Angela H. 21:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to add another half sentence on this (based on the second source), but then I saw that it was already written in the text of the article. --Angela H. 22:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

picture dispute
What exactly is the problem? the edits say "grotesque" and "relevance"..and here I see the problem may be lack of a source? If the truth is that no photos of the abuse are acceptable, then let's say so and deal with that as opposed to tip toeing around the matter. Neutralizer 21:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why the picture wouldn't be acceptable. Wikinews has a policy of non-censorship. We won't be posting links to the goatse man, but that doesn't mean we'll pussyfoot around anything which could possibly offend anyone. This image is directly related to the prison and directly related to the scandal. ironiridis 21:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would agree BUT...this is about the transfer of the prison or the closing of it. Not about who or what was tortured. There for IMO, no picture of ANY prisoner is needed. Jason Safoutin 21:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If it weren't for the torture itself, this story would be of zero interest. ironiridis 22:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This news event is about the closing of the prison. A picture of the prison itself, or of material/people being moved out would be specifically relevant. Additional publication of torture/abuse images is gratuitous, especially considering that all such images which show prisoners are specifically prohibited by the Geneva convention. I'd support such an image if the article were about a torture event, but it isn't. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. The prison was far more well-known in the Middle East under Sadam as an execution/torture site. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * To Amgine; No, the abuse is the story just as with Auschwirtz the holocaust is the story even though lots of other things happened before and after at Aushwitz. It's not just like any other prison handover; it's not something to be denied or discounted or shoved off to the side; at least in my opinion its not. This story is about the abuse; if there had been no abuse there would be no story in this handover. Neutralizer 22:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhm, just in case you were unaware Neutralizer, the Russians were accused of using Nazi holocaust camps to torture and execute prisoners. The fact that Sadam's regime used Abu Grahib extensively for executions, torture, and abuse Iraqis is a major element of this story also. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with ironiridis; it would be like someone insisting that a story about a nazi concentration camp should not have a photo showing the jewish prisoners when they were in it. If anyone were to make that argument they would likely be accused of "holocaust denial". Neutralizer 22:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That is not any justification. There is NO reason the have any picture of any tortured prisoner. This is about it being transferred or closed. An abused prisoner picture, has no relevance to the article whatsoever. Jason Safoutin 22:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason what about this "Pictures of extensive detainee abuse in Abu Ghraib taken inside the prison in November 2003 had been released earlier this year. In January 2005, United States Army court martial found Army Spc. Charles Graner guilty of abusing prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. The jury sentenced Graner to ten years in prison.Total nine American soldiers were found guilty in the Abu Ghraib abuse case." International 22:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's akin to insisting that a story about the Russians giving a nazi concentration camp back to the Germans should show images of prisoners Russians kept there. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Amgine, find some victimpix of Saddams Abu Ghraib then. International 22:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * To Amgine; No, the abuse is the story just as with Auschwitz the holocaust is the story even though lots of other things happened before and after at Aushwitz. It's not just like any other prison handover; it's not something to be denied or discounted or shoved off to the side; at least in my opinion its not. This story is about the abuse; if there had been no abuse there would be no story in this handover. Neutralizer 22:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutralizer, that sounds like your POV...because i totally disagree with you. Jason Safoutin 22:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason, unfortuantely, your disagreement does not consitute a lack of POV on your part. In any case, this picture violates the Geneva convention. Let's respect and abide by this convention. ironiridis 22:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't even see the prisoner in this photo. Neutralizer 22:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, unless you can add something that a prisoner was abused during this article, add it, Until then there is no reason to have any picture of any prisoner being abused or had been abvused. International: you reason has no basis. This article is not about any torturing, just closing/transferring. Neutralizer: This is not abouyt any abuse. period. Jason Safoutin 22:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * reprise:Jason what about this "Pictures of extensive detainee abuse in Abu Ghraib taken inside the prison in November 2003 had been released earlier this year. In January 2005, United States Army court martial found Army Spc. Charles Graner guilty of abusing prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. The jury sentenced Graner to ten years in prison.Total nine American soldiers were found guilty in the Abu Ghraib abuse case." International 22:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

smaller image as compromise
I think its ok according to Geneva convention. The prisoner face is blackned. International 22:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I will tag this article misleading if any picture of an abused prisoner is shown. No abused prisoner picture relates to this article. Jason Safoutin 22:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * cant you read?International 22:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure can...read my comment above. I will tag this article misleading if ANY irrelvant infomation or pitures (of abused prisoners) are added. Jason Safoutin 22:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * International: I'd like to ask you to be respectful of your peers in a dispute such as this. ironiridis 22:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry but Jason obviously don read the text a put in two times. International 22:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He disagrees with you. He's not illiterate. That kind of behavior is offensive; he never made the same insinuation of you. Please refrain from that in the future. Nobody likes it. ironiridis 23:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry but as I read it he disputed the image by saying the picture dont relate to the article and state "Look, unless you can add something that a prisoner was abused during this article, add it, Until then there is no reason to have any picture of any prisoner being abused or had been abvused. International: you reason has no basis." and then "I will tag this article misleading if any picture of an abused prisoner is shown. No abused prisoner picture relates to this article." Its not about disagre. The article is also about prisonerabuse, both explicit and as a background and I put in the relevant text two times.   International 23:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok I see he have reacted now below International 23:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason, you can't tag an article just because you have no consensus for your point of view. Please try to collaberate a bit more, if you will. Neutralizer 22:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus for our point of view, either. And that's the problem. We both have POV and we need to just drop this, since this is converned by other authorities which specify the humane treatment of prisoners. We'll be violating the same convention that the US has violated thousands of times. Get it off of there. Please? ironiridis 22:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Article 13 of the Geneva Convention prohibits this picture, even if the identity is concealed. The prisoner themselves is not afforded the protection of public curiousity. Sorry guys, I agree with you here, but this is above WN. ironiridis 22:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Prisoners of war or what are they definde as by U.S.? International 22:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a war ensuing, these people are prisoners, ergo they are prisoners of war. ironiridis 22:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please, let's all take TEA. Until there is a compromise on the talk page, let's not restore this image. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with the tea but I just restored the compromise size so let's not delete it. Neutralizer 22:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Neutralizer: Not my POV. Its a fact. Abused prisoner is not realted to article. Therefore it is misleading. Jason Safoutin 22:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason, I never said it was your pov??? Neutralizer 22:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you did. ironiridis 22:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup u did Jason, you can't tag an article just because you have no consensus for your point of view. Please try to collaberate a bit more, if you will. Neutralizer 22:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Yup. Jason Safoutin 22:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Geneva Convention doesn't Apply
I can't believe I'm pulling a Rumsfeld/Gonzales but the reference states the territory where the pictures are taken must be a "High Contracting Party" which Iraq is not...so this provision doesn't seem to apply at all? Neutralizer 22:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * What does "High Contracting Party" actually mean? ironiridis 22:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the prisoner 'prisoner of war' or 'enemy combatants'? I would prefere prisoner of war then this whole insident might not happend International 23:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you had not published and republished a disputed picture, we would not be here. Jason Safoutin 23:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * DragonFire, stop being inciteful. Work toward a compromise. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Inciteful?> not really. So far there is no reason to have an abused prisoners picturtes let alone anything about them being tortured when the story is Abu Graib closing or whatever. My opinion is as valid as everyone elses, and so far, there is no agreement to have a torutred prisoners picture. And unless the article is changewd to something else other than the prison closing thewn add one. Until then I am not convinced we need one. And there fore it is misleading. This article has nothnig to do with any prisoner beingf abused. Jason Safoutin 23:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Those people are not prisoners of war under the Third Geneva Convention. If they were, they would have to be released almost two year ago ago under Article 118. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Two points: The Hague has found the US invasion of Iraq to be an act of war (disputed by the USA.) The Hague has found Iraq to be an occupied country (disputed by the USA). Incidentally, the Afghanistan detainees have also been found to be prisoners of war. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The war officially ended with the transition of the government to the Iraqis in June 2004 and the establishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and Iraq. The UN consider Iraq to be a sovereign nation and the multinational forces are in the country "at the request of Government of Iraq" --Deprifry|+T+ 00:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not able to retrieve that document. I'm also not sure the world court would recognize the statement the country is not occupied as only two of three recognized international election observer organizations certified the most recent election (one of which pointed out serious irregularities), and the government of Iraq does not have decision-making authority over the international forces (which is a fundamental characteristic.) But I don't believe there is current case regarding it, other than the outstanding warrants for Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Powell. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 01:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's SC resolution 1637 (here's an html link) and point 2 of the taken actions says that the SC "decides further that the mandate for the multinational force shall be reviewed at the request of the Government of Iraq or no later than 15 June 2006, and declares that it will terminate this mandate earlier if requested by the Government of Iraq". So the UN specifically grants the Iraqi government the right to ask the foreign forces to leave the country at any time. Whether the U.S. would follow such a request is of course an entirely different matter. But as of right now, neither the United Nations nor the United States nor the Iraqi government consider the country to be occupied. --Deprifry|+T+ 02:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, but I wasn't refering to any of those bodies. (I'm wondering when the SC claims to have given a mandate to the multinational force, but not willing to go find it.) -  Amgine | talk en.WN 07:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

compromise
Its being closed due to torture, nothing wrong with pictures related to torture being included. Why not use photos of modern torture implements? I suspect this is somehow more representative of the whole idea behind the closing anyway, i.e. torture in general, as opposed to specific victims. Nyarlathotep 22:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * as i said above: the images of abused prisoners does not belong in this article. It is about the prison being transferred/closed. Therefore no abused prisoner images. if any are added, I will tag this article as misleading, like I said above. Jason Safoutin 23:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The army cites the fact the prison keeps being attacked as one of the reasons for closure. I would also guess it was not designed for the current insurrection, being designed/built in the 60s shortly after the Baath party gained power and the country was relatively stable. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is my reasoning: Nothing wrong with including a photo of a specific attacks aftermath either, of course. Nyarlathotep 23:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) The quote of Lt. Col. Barry Johnson proves that torture is relevant
 * 2) But its not proper (and maybe not relevant) to include photos of specific torture victims
 * 3) Thus photos of generic modern torture implements is a logical compromise, i.e. general idea, not sppecific cases.

Anyway, I do like the idea of this article having a picture more interesting that those boring pictures of the front gate. It an article about the end of a pretty heated situation. Nyarlathotep 23:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * One flaw with your argument is this is background information, not the news event itself. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Here is an image which is freely available and might be a compromise?
 * http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/0502/exhibit5b.jpg
 * http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/0502/exhibit5a.jpg
 * Perfect...nowq why was this NOT looked into before? these images are TOTALLY relevant. Jason Safoutin 23:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW. i suggest the first image: 5b.jpg. Jason Safoutin 23:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Have we shown photos of Saddam since his capture?
Just wondering about that; do you know Amgine? Neutralizer 22:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I believe we have shown two images of Saddam since his capture. I protested the first use; I don't think I did the second. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

What?
In the article: ''Pictures of extensive detainee abuse in Abu Ghraib taken inside the prison in November 2003 had been released earlier this year. In January 2005, United States Army court martial found Army Spc. Charles Graner guilty of abusing prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. The jury sentenced Graner to ten years in prison.Total nine American soldiers were found guilty in the Abu Ghraib abuse case'' This has NOTHING to do with the prison closing. Why is this in the article? Jason Safoutin 23:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * It's called background information. It sets the context for the story and is very important to an article. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but it has nothing to do with the prison closing. IMO it was added to have a reson to add prisoner pictures. I see no relevance to this, but I am not gponig to remove it. Jason Safoutin 23:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

pov edit
I cant find any other explanation International 23:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have one: readewrs click on the article becuse they want to read about the prison closing. That is the most important thing, not waht happened earlier. Why make them wait to read about the prison closing? How do you define this POV? Jason Safoutin 23:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I give up, you are opalusizing me International 23:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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Good article.
Well done, Neutralizer. Off-beat but still interesting. ironiridis 16:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

It is noteworthy that the subject weighed 125kg (275lbs) before the experiment began. The fatter one is, the easier it is to lose fat. (John Moore)


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You're not logged in, Neutralizer. ;) ironiridis 17:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter enters Martian orbit

March 10, 2006 After journeying seven months to reach its destination, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter entered the Martian orbit. The successful orbital maneuver garnered applause from NASA controllers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

On Friday, the orbiter made a 27-minute engine burn. The maneuver slowed the orbiter down twenty percent to 27,000 kilometers (11,000 miles) per hour and put the satellite into an elliptical orbit set to bring it within 400 kilometers (250 miles) of the Martian surface.

As of now, the European Space Agency's Mars Express along with NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey are orbiting the planet. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will make it the fourth satellite monitoring Mars.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter was launched seven months ago on August 12, 2005. The orbiter was outfitted with the most powerful monitoring equipment ever sent to research the planet. The craft is equipped and designed to recover more data than all other previous missions combined.


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, March 2006
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 * Middlesbrough v Birmingham, kick off at 15:00
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 * Birmingham v West Brom, kick off at 12:00
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 * Charlton v Middlesbrough, kick off at 15:00
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Welcome
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Global measles deaths plunge by 48% over past six years

March 10, 2006 The World Health Organization and United Nations Children's Fund announce that the global immunization drive has cut measles deaths by nearly half between 1999 and 2004. The number of deaths fell from 871,000 in 1999 to an estimated 454,000 in 2004 (the most recent year for which data is available). They report the reduction is as a result of "major national immunization activities and better access to routine childhood immunization".


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Gale Norton resigns as U.S. Secretary of the Interior

March 10, 2006

Gale Norton announced her resignation today as United States Secretary of the Interior, effective at the end of March. She stated that she was leaving for "personal reasons." The announcement came as the Senate Indian Affairs Committee investigates Jack Abramoff. E-mails seen by the Committee have suggested that there was a close relationship between Abramoff and Norton's former deputy, Steven Griles. According to John McCain, R-Ariz., Abramoff gained access to Griles by promising donations from his clients to Italia Federici.

During her tenure in the Department of the Interior, Norton supported drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and opened other public land for drilling.

The President has nominated Dirk Kempthorne, the current Governor of Idaho to replace her. By tradition this particular secretary comes from a western state or territory.


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I am a UK based General Practitioner and am to be found on English Wikipedia at User:DavidRubentalk

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American hostage Tom Fox found dead in Iraq

March 10, 2006

Tom Fox, an American who was among four Christian activists kidnapped in Iraq in November last year, has been found dead, according to the U.S. State Department.

FBI spokesman Noel Clay reports that a body found Friday morning was Fox, 54, of Clear Brook, Virginia.

According to Iraqi officials, Fox's body had been found with gunshot wounds and his hands tied. Officials also say that he was beaten before his death.

According to Clay, further tests will be done in the United States; the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is still investigating. Clay also said that "the State Department continues to call for the unconditional release of all other hostages".

Al-Jazeera aired video footage on Tuesday of the other three hostages, Canadians James Loney, 41, Harmeet Sooden, 32, and Norman Kember, 74, from Great Britain. The three had not been heard from since last year. The recent video release of them was filmed on February 28.


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PSYOPS
I am wondering if the most recent example of "Information used in psychological operations will often be replayed by the news media "- Secy. of US Defence, D.Rumsfeld- is the recent reporting of quotes from questionable sources about the results of a village being bombed in Afghanistn; all of that speculation from un-reliable sources could have been meant for "foreign" consumption to help defuse the reaction to the attack....I say this because the US government never once told the american audience that it had killed any important terrorists.

CNN's "Situation Room" Jan.19th. 7pm [17]

J.D. CROUCH, DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Great to be here, Wolf.

BLITZER: What about last Friday's attack on that building along the Pakistan-Afghan border? Have you confirmed definitively who died, who was killed in that attack?

CROUCH: I don't think there's any confirmation on that. Obviously, I know there have been things that have come out of Pakistan. But all I know at this point is what you have seen, you know, in the press.

BLITZER: But do we know one way or another whether Ayman al- Zawahiri, the number two to Osama bin Laden, whether or not he was killed?

CROUCH: Like I said, I don't think there's any -- there's a full understanding of that at this point.

BLITZER: But there -- but you do -- can you confirm that other senior al Qaeda operatives were killed?

CROUCH: Not at this point, no.

The Whitehouse spokesman told CNN that there is no evidence that ANY bad guys AT ALL were hit in the US bombing of the Pakistani village. This after we ran articles which made the attack seem to be somewhat acceptable because it was "reported" to be somewhat successful.

Al_Qaeda_bomb_maker_reportedly_killed_in_U.S._airstrike_in_Pakistan

Pakistani Official claims 'foreign terrorists' among civilians killed in U.S. airstrike

Neutralizer 12:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

In the Prussian strategy
the whole population is categorized into three "educational castes" to formulate future easier elite control of the population.

1. those who will be policy makers, who are taught to think (0.5%),

2. those who will be engineers, lawyers, doctors--who are taught to partially think, only for accreditation in specialized topics (5.5%), and

3. the children of the masses, who are to be taught how to follow orders (94%).

The Prussian educational system in the United States was idealized as a strategic tool to demote political and intellectual equality and to reformulate an aristocratic society in novel formal institutions. It could even be called a "de-educational" model, because it promotes a society that is endemically uneducated and trained mostly to follow someone else's centralized instructions thoughtlessly.

Ricin
I have moved this discussion to the talk page. Neutralizer 14:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Could you please answer the question raised at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Substance_found_in_University_of_Texas_dormitory_tests_positive_for_Ricin#NPOV_question ?? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Nice early catch on history of false positives in ricin tests. Nyarlathotep 19:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Problems
I'm seeing you have problems with any official that is in someway affilliated with a U.S. entity. Please explain why you think that their statements are considered factual in specific articles. As I have observed, it is what they find is what we report, and we attriube it back to them - we never take a stand and say it is fact. Please stop tagging articles as POV in this method. It is a violation of site policy, and qualifies as disruption. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 18:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

answer to MrM; Here is just the most recent example of how Wikinews published US officials' statements as fact"Ricin found in University of Texas dormitory" as the title of a lead article ; I am sure you can find many more examples if you look.

 * Hi,MrM. Actually I concur with our NPOV mandate to reign in our natural tendancy to embrace the anglo/american centric point of view and am trying to engage this "ongoing problem". That's really it in a nutshell. I think I am doing a good job of keeping my own pov(which is much more dramatic) completely out of my Wikinews contributions. Neutralizer 21:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's ironic. I felt we were doing a fantastic job in limiting our anglo POV.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * We certainly do much better than most western media; but we still have some way to go I think. It's not enough to just attribute the quotes to a western leader; we need to also work at improving articles by removing any examples of cultural bias that we encounter; as per anglo/american centric point of view. Neutralizer 01:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

New stuff
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Talk:Australian treasurer makes "extremely divisive" comments
Will you please go put a tag on this talk page so I can zap your comment which has nothing to do with the writing of the article? I can sympathise with your "I'd send this man a nastygram if I had his email address" attitude, but the talk page isn't the place for it. If you don't I'll see what happens when I list a talk page for deletion. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 21:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Brian, if you like, but I think talk pages are ok for passionate discussion; at least I believe so. Neutralizer 21:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's been some discussion, on the Water Cooler I think, about having a "have your say" tab. Personally I'm opposed to it because you'd have to do things like ask users if it was okay to remove swearing - or get them to reword their comment when they'd cooled down.  However, I'd rather have that than see things degenerate on talk pages.  Your average newspaper manages to function, although I'm sure they don't have quite as wide a spectrum of political views as we do.  So, my stance on that currently is that if an article discussion page wins widespread support, I'll just avoid it.  In the meantime I think we should stick with a clear definition of what talk pages on articles are for - if we end up with discussion pages we'll need to defend the talk pages along those principles and move comments, and I think we need to establish some precidents on what is acceptable. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your welcome message. Much appreciated. :) Sarah Ewart 23:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

typo
Hey ya'! My first look at 'recent changes', looks like "breech" should be "breach" under the headline rename. I'd thought I would let you confirm and correct it, rather than risk looking one-upish!! Best regards :) Edbrown05 00:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks so much. Neutralizer 00:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

My Ricin Intervention
My comment was saying that I was sick of all these edit wars that have been happening lately. And just wanted to say STOP. (BTW Block would have included all users involved, including admins).

I have no POV on the article at all.

I agree with you that threats on article talk pages off-limits, but I just wanted warring to STOP.

In hindsight no it was not…but I did not know at that time, if it was over. (and most of the RC was with fill of edits on the talkpage)

I hope you did not take this as a personal threat; I have much respect for you as a editor.

I hope this answers your question, feel free to contact me if it does not. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 18:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

What apology?
You deserve no such apology. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 00:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Lead edit warring
I'm aware there is edit warring occurring in the leads. This is highly disruptive. Please stop. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 21:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Hi Neutralizer... I think you need to create your own "Statement by user:xxx section" at Dispute resolution/Users Borofkin, Mrmiscellanious, and others. What I was hoping was that people who consider themselves to be involved in the broad/ongoing dispute with MrM would make a statement about what their problem is, and what they would like to change, specifically focussing on what needs to be changed to prevent further conflict. - Borofkin 01:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see that you've removed your section from the dispute resolution pages. The idea is to try and get everyone's complaints on one page so that, as a community, we can try and figure out what the problem is. What I'm interested to know is, in your opinion, what is it about Mrmiscellanious behaviour that causes so many disputes? Rather than focusing on a specific dispute, think about the patterns of behaviour.... what is it that links all the different disputes together? - Borofkin 02:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

See my comments on vonbergm's talk page. I like the way it is going, even if it is a little different. - Borofkin 02:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Neutralizer... I've had some discussions with SiP, it has been suggested that we move the diffs onto a separate page (a "common brief") that we can all contribute to. What I think we should do with the "statement by" sections on the main dispute resolution page is to create a detailed description of what you consider to be the worst single problem that MrM has caused, including how it made you perceive MrM, how it affected you and your editing, and how you wish he had behaved differently. My section and Vonbergm's section as they currently stand roughly conform to this idea. This is just a suggestion, you are welcome to contribute to the dispute resolution however you like. - Borofkin 05:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Generally speaking, when one brings a request for dispute resolution I have two considerations: has the bringing party attempted the other steps outlined on the dispute resolution page; has the bringing party informed the other party of the dispute resolution request? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Amgine, your uncalled for attack on SiP (with accompanying edit summary calling him a "fool") is not acceptable and is typical of how MrM's supporters attack anyone trying to address MrM's behaviour. You always rush to sabotage and deflect and bog down in details any community effort addressing MrM's behaviour and you have been very good at it thus far; but please don't insult my intelligence by pretending you are unbiased when it comes to MrM's behaviour; you have always jumped in to bog down or deflect attempts by the community to address it. Neutralizer 14:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Da Vinci Code Lawsuit: Conspiracy Theory
Regarding your comments ... I had read your comment, and I consider it to be a rather unlikely conspiracy theory. I won't engage in the debate any further than to point out that any concerted effort to discredit Dan Brown for political reasons would be pointless. He's a best-selling author and has a following ... but he doesn't have any credibility in politics or academia. A campaign against him is likely just to increase sales of his books. I read the Skull and Bones article and figure that it's tinged with just about as much conspiracy theory as fact.

I listened to an unabridged audio tape of "Da Vinci Code" and my conclusion was that it really needed quite alot of abridging. The long, rambling, tenuously intertwined tendrils of "theory" were interminably tedious and detracted from a relatively unremarkable story. (And the romantic "twist" was thoroughly predictable and implausible).

Based on that I imagine the Solomon Key will be more of the same ... and the Bush/Kerry/Cheney crowd and smugly recline and be assured that, when Dan Brown is done, no one will believe anything ... no matter how outrageous ... that will be said about any of them. (They'll be able to just wave it all off as more of that Brown "conspiracy theory claptrap" and move on).

Heck, this could all be part of the plot! Try to discredit him to call attention to his work so everyone knows what you're talking about! It's a double reverse psychology gambit. I think you're on to something here! (Not).

JimD 18:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Block request
I have reviewed the material MrM has presented as evidence in putting a case for your being blocked from the wiki. I find I cannot apply a block on this basis without reviewing every talk page of an involved article to see if you have made any effort to reach agreement. However, having gone through one which I'd commented on I'd say that were I presented with another list like this I'd look for the block button. You are capable of contributing, but if you can't stay within project guidelines go elsewhere. MrM may have completely different political views from you, but he stays within the lines. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

GlobeScan story
I am very disappointed to recognize that you attributed the Bush quotes in that story to statements made during his surprise visit to Afghanistan. -Edbrown05 09:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I responded on Ed's talk page. Neutralizer 13:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Thank you for your welcome. I'm afraid, however, I'm just not going to be able to be "gutsy" in this environment. See my user page, if you're interested. ironiridis 11:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Lead image rollback
I rolled back in the lead because commons is about to delete the image, and I don't what that to happen on the main page. Would look really bad. I'm leaving it in the article, in case Elliot K can talk to the photographer. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The Vietnam memorial images were licensed non-derivative, but can be used commercially. I think the current image can be allowed on Wikinews, actually, but I'm not sure I understand the "grant of license" part of the Image use policy myself. I'm trying to work that out right now. I hate copyright. It makes my time on wikinews endlessly more complicated. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Commercial means images used by for-profit companies. So, if a company were to print and sell copies of Wikinews Print edition, as an example, that would be a commercial use. So would running a website with lots of advertisement that copied our images and news stories. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

 * We don't use images which are licensed as non-commercial. A non-commercial license says it may be used for anything non-commercial. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Block Request
Hi,Brian, Thanks for taking your time to look at MrM's request. I still have trouble knowing when I cross the line between reasonable article discussion/editing and doing something that warrents the block button. Is it possible, whenever you have time, to look at the article you referred to and give me some guidance as to what I might have done in a better way? Neutralizer 13:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably the most difficult thing to do to avoid conflict is to stop assuming MrM has a significant pro-Western POV which he applies in articles. From where I'm sitting, he uses his choice of created articles as an expression of POV and within those articles sticks to what is within the sources and a fairly reasonable presentation of NPOV.  On the other hand I sometimes wonder if you read too many blogs or other stuff like that where there is a touch of conspiracy tied into passionate editorial.  Don't let that creep into your contributions.
 * Next thing I'd suggest is don't be so keen to get something published. I know there's a lot of the time that's the fastest way to get a review, but if you put up 2 or 3 short paragraphs under develop and go sourcehunting you should be able to build a more coherent picture of the situation.  I sometimes end up with 10-20 sources open in tabs in one Firefox session, and then edit the article in another.  As I finish expanding or replacing each of my initial paragraphs I'll make sure each point is cited in a source, in a related article, or by some other means that is explained within the article (E.g. Last paragraph on Opposition may boycott Thai election; demonstrators want Thaksin out cites Wikipedia with a link to the article that I quote from).  The pain in sourcing things is keeping the number you list on the article reasonable.  Every source link is an opportunity for someone to leave wikinews and continue their reading on another site.
 * You do seek third party help when you get into a dispute, but it sometimes comes across as being done with the conviction that the third party will invariably side with MrM. Don't assume tags are unjustified when you receive them, if you don't get it then ask someone else to try and figure it out for you.  As those you place yourself are not always well received, lay out your objections on the talk page then look for someone to read the article, go through your objections, and comment.  If they put the tag on, so much the better.
 * Something to keep in mind in trying to follow all of the above is not to be devisive to the community. Try and avoid getting into "us vs them" situations with opposing groups of contributors.  Conflicts between you and MrM are often the catalyst for such events, and with our open editorial process frayed short tempers don't reflect well on the project.
 * Anyway, sorry I took a while to respond. Work and life in general have been keeping me busy. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

re: Bush quote
I have just now returned home from the hospital after a minor surgical procedure and am currently still under the dizzying effects of pain medication, so please forgive me if I ramble.

I became involved with the GlobeScan story because I saw MrM stepping on it. That treatment by MrM was unsurprising to me, because I’ve noticed from his past edits a history of disdain for stories that involve polling results. My first reaction was to jump in and restore the lost edits. When that led to the story being locked, only later did I try to improve the reporting in the article.

I made one copyedit pass at the story after my earlier attempt to restore the story, and then ran out of time to work at it any further. I returned to the story the next evening to make a go of getting the context of the Bush quotes better expressed, and then discovered the Bush comments came from a televised interview conducted in the United States, not while he was in Afghanistan. I corrected that information and re-published the story.

To realize that my hand was involved in publishing a story that earlier contained false information, hurt me. Hence my comment on your talk page.

The more I have come to know you, the more I have come to appreciate your points that challenge conventional assumptions. Through experience, I harbor no thoughts that your contributions have any intent to hurt Wikinews, and I was relieved to see by your post on my talk page that the error was one easily made in the way you described it.

I apologize for not inquiring first from you how this could have occurred before posting my boorish comment on your talk page. -Edbrown05 03:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Peculiar edit on WN:DR
Neutralizer, can you please explain this edit on Deletion requests? It appears to have removed a number of votes from other users. - Borofkin 05:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

DR
Please do not remove people comments from Deletion requests Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * An explanation is required for such an edit, and it had better be a good one. The edit appeared to be nothing more than vandalism, and I believe that a block is in order. - Borofkin 05:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Brian,Borofkin, that was an extreme unintentional screwup..I don't even know how it was possible? Could it have been an edit conflict? As you can see I was of the same view as most of the edits I apparently deleted so vandalism would make no sense....I really can not figure this one out can you? The only edit I made was adding my own agreement with Vonbergm; is it possible a vandal was somehow piggy backing my edit(in an edit conflict with me at that moment?) I am really baffled at this. Neutralizer 13:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Anyone; Could I have edited an out of date revision in this situation since the page includes edits on a bunch of different articles? Neutralizer 14:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's possable that you edited an out of date revision, however you nomally see a warning letting you know. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 18:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

an article

 * I just wanted to note that a similar incident happened to me once, where inexplicably an edit I made showed my text added, and along with it, the disappearance of other previously posted text. I found no explanation for it.-Edbrown05 19:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't mean to butt in, but let's assume good faith. This mistake was corrected and no harm is done. Surely the user didn't think the deletion of the text would go unnoticed. Surely it was an accident. --Chiacomo (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Break
My wife is getting really pissed at how much time I spend here; plus I have been making some really stupid/careless edits.... so I am out of here for awhile; Love you all....Neutralizer 01:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

RfAr
You do realize that it is up to the involved parties to request a recusement? For example, I believe all the ArbCom members are also friends with Brian New Zealand. I have faith in their ability examine the evidence fairly, and to work with us to develop mutually agreeable findings. I think you may have a mistaken impression of how the arbitration process works. Brian, the ArbCom and I will all work together to get findings of principles and fact the ArbCom can agree with. The ArbCom will also want our input on remedies, which are similar to sentences in a court case - except they are attempts to address problems for the community rather than to be punitive. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 18:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree on most of your points, especially since there is fundamental difference on to whom the disclosure should be made. But I'm glad you've raised your concerns on the talk page, and I can assure you they have been read and discussed. The ArbCom maintains communications tools which are not public, so I don't know what they're discussing amongst themselves, but I think it's a fair guess your concern is being discussed there as well. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 19:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Format for /Evidence
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean -- your message about formatting is a bit cryptic... Also, please format your /Evidence correctly. --Chiacomo (talk) 21:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Dispute resolution - joint statement
Hi Neutralizer... I've started a draft joint statement as part of the dispute resolution process. Please take a look.... - Borofkin 23:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:American hostage Tom Fox found dead in Iraq

I wonder where in Iraq was the body of Fox found? -Edbrown05 05:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


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Portal:Commonwealth Games/newResult

March DD, 2006 The following is how the medal table looked after the DAYNUMBER day of competition for the 2006 Commonwealth Games, in Melbourne, Australia.

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'Thanks for starting a new article! Here are some things to consider. See Writing an article for more information.'

If you are doing an results table, you need to update the medal table on Template:Commonwealth Games Count, Also you need to update the one that is on the Main page Template:Commonwealth Games partial medal count Also on the results article- remove all sports that were not played during the day the article is been written about Thank you very much!


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March DD, 2006 2006 Commonwealth Games, Melbourne, Australia.

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12000 Commonwealth Games tickets remain unsold

March 11, 2006

With three days until the start of the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, Australia, organisers still have some 12,000 tickets yet unsold after mailing out some 150,000 invitations to buy tickets to the Games' opening ceremony. At least 40 invitations were sent to the families of 40 deceased people. Organisers have since apologised for this mistake.

Melbourne 2006 chief executive John Harnden says: “Opening ceremony sales are going well…We've sold about 4000 tickets over the last seven days, [and] those rates of sales are continuing... Overall, the rate of sales for tickets are fantastic ... it's an enormous number – bigger than any other Commonwealth Games ever sold." Tickets to the opening ceremony cost $590AUD.

The XVIII Commonwealth Games will be held from March 15th through the 26th. The Opening Ceremony will be held Wednesday night. It will be opened officially by Queen Elizabeth II.


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Former Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milosevic found dead in his cell

March 11, 2006

Former Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milošević, 64, has died in the U.N. war crimes tribunal detention center in The Hague, Netherlands. The Serbian Socialist party and UN officials confirmed his death, and Tribunal President Fausto Pocar has ordered an inquiry, which will be done by the Dutch police and the Dutch coroner. A toxicological examination and a full autopsy have also been ordered on Milošević.

A statement said that Milošević "was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit. The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milošević was dead."

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said that Milošević died of natural causes. He had been suffering from chronic heart problems and high blood pressure.

March 3 blood samples from Mr. Milošević showed traces of rifampicin, an antibiotic used to treat serious bacterial infections like tuberculosis and leprosy.

Zdenko Tomanović, his defence lawyer, quoted Mr. Milošević as saying, "I have never taken any antibiotic in five years." Mr. Milošević claimed the day before he died that people with an interest in silencing him were trying to poison him.

An adviser to the chief prosecutor reported "He has a proven track record of taking unprescribed medicine, of messing with his medication," and suggested the complete cause of death may never be known.

The trial against Milošević had been delayed 20 times due to health problems. In 2002 judges ordered a psychiatric review to determine the strain the trial was putting on him. In late February the Tribunal denied his petition for a transfer to a hospital in Russia.

Milošević was on trial and charged with more than 60 counts of genocide and crimes against humanity for the role he played in the Balkan wars, which includes the massacre of 8,000 Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995 and emanating from the Bosnian conflict.

He was extradited to The Hague in 2001, and his trial began in 2002. He refused to be given a lawyer and was defending himself in court, pleading not guilty to all charges against him. He faced life in prison.

Milošević served as president of the Republic of Serbia from 1989 to 1997, and the president of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia from 1997 to 2000.