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Talk:Climate change a factor in Australia's warmest year on record

For thousands of years the earth has been subject to extended periods of warming and cooling. The Little Ice Age, which followed the Medieval warm period, preceded the current warming cycle. Earth temperatures in the Med. warm period were warmer than current readings, with negligible carbon dioxide emissions from human activity compared to today. The total CO2 emissions from human industrial and vehicular activity is about 5-6% of total emissions. The remainder is from vaolcano and other natural phenomena. Climatologists at the univ. system in Colorado conclude that climate change is much more influenced by natural fluctuations by fluctuations in the sun's emissions than CO2 in the atm. Michael Crichton, the popular author, unknown to many, is a trained scientist and physician with an M.D. degree, who has recently had published a book titled "State of Fear." He spent 3 years reviewing the evidence for Global Warming and Industrial gas emissions, and concluded that the evidence for so-called Global Warming is lacking. I am also a scientist-Physician (eye surgeon), researcher. I also did an extensive review of all the evidence, and came to the same conclusion as Dr. Crichton. It is disturbing that all climate reporting includes erroneous references to Global Warming as though it is accepted fact, except that those reporting have never examined the evidence. S.Dubroff, M.D.

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Wikinews talk:General disclaimer

Why are the examples of other news disclaimers on this article page rather than in the discussion page? BozMotalk

Interwikis
Please add the following interwikis:

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Thanks - Jurock (reply) 23:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done --Cspurrier 01:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Please add also cs:Wikizprávy:Vyloučení odpovědnosti. Thank you. --Ragimiri (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

+ ru
--  TarzanASG +1  07:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) + ru:Викиновости:Отказ от ответственности
 * 2) renew disign from Wikipedia:General disclaimer
 * done 1, for #2, that'd require a lot of discussion (personally i'd prefer not to touch this page from a content perspective). Bawolff ☺☻ 07:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And cs: too (above) =)) --  TarzanASG +1  08:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Doing it...--Brian McNeil / talk 08:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Examples...?
Why do we have examples of other news organization's disclaimers? No need for it, IMO. --Thunderhead (t - e - c) 12:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That does seem rather odd. Uncle G added it when this page was created way back in the day. Bawolff ☺☻ 13:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I say we should remove it. Benny the mascot (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:200.79.192.21

Hi, I was told you were kicked off because you are using something called an "open proxy" which is something apparantly meant to hide where a person is wsening their messages from. If any of this is not true, please lmk via email at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Neutralizer

If it is true, please get on here without using an open proxy. Neutralizer 21:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:62.25.106.209

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User talk:138.80.52.50

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Template:Temp label
Nice work. Looks much better than the images I quickly created when I was setting up the weather bot. Regards. Adambro 17:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though perhaps some colors should be modified a bit, and perhaps aditional colors should be added AzaToth 17:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Redesign
Your new design is really looking excellent. You have a talent for it - I see where you are going. We have so many main page redesigns. If you go to the "Featured Picture" on the front page and look to the pages that link to it, you'll see some of the attempts (I deleted my own, though I did make an attempt to design the inside stories so that there is more fluid internal navigation. --David Shankbone - (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The new design is amazing. I know I voted against it but it is much, much better than the current design. I clearly made a mistake by opposing it.I am sorry for opposing it. --Anonymous101 Talk 15:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, he just needs to fix it in Internet Explorer. In Firefox the three-column design at the bottom is absolutely perfect.  We are very appreciative - you've given us a new professional design that will work well with other changes.  --David Shankbone - (talk) 15:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

WHat the hell?
just wow ur vandalism reverting is faster than the unsigned bot!!! just wow Showones - (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * omg I just remembered you're the author of this vandalism reverting script, so I'm not probably talking to a human anyway, well never mind. Showones - (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Me thinks me human, me checks... AzaToth - (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hi. I presume you've uploaded this image in order to demonstrate an issue with the site. Could you ensure that you tag it for deletion with delete once it is no longer required. Thanks. Adambro - (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Page move
Thank you for the page move, your title makes a bit more sense - I just made a minor correction of "it's" (it is), to possessive "its". Cheers, Cirt (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle on other wikis
Hi Azatoth, per your message on IRC, is there a way to remove that editload error when using Twinkle on wikis that are not English, where I'm having troubles. Any help will be extremely grateful. Thanks in advance, Diego Grez return fire 18:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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Portal:Australia/Original reporting in Sydney

Original reporting is hard work - a single article can take hours. This is a page of resources and tips for Wikinews contributors who are doing, or thinking of doing, original reporting in Sydney.

Firstly, ask for help! Leave a message on the Australian discussion page asking people to contribute to your article. They may be able to track down media releases or find additional points-of-view that should be included.

If you have any tips feel free to add them to this page.

New South Wales Police Media Unit
The NSW Police Media Unit issues press releases on events in which the police are involved. These press releases are available to the general public, and may be used as sources on Wikinews.

 * Police Media Releases

To speak to the Media Unit directly call 61 (02) 82636100. They give information out to anyone.

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 * Parliament of Australia: Hansard

Experts
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 * UNSW Experts Database

Politicians and government
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See Sydney politicians for media releases and contact information.

All levels of government issue *heaps* of media releases every day. There may be one that relates to the article you are working on.

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Politicians! They love to get their head on camera and their comments in the news. They employ people whose sole job is to give comments to the media (who do you think is doing the talking when a newspaper reports that "A spokesman for the Prime Minister said that"... ? It's just the dude who answers the phone when someone rings up. And you don't need to pretend that you work for a big newspaper - they're trying to get their side out, so they talk to anyone.

Government directory
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Prime Minister

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Politicians websites (Local)

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Bligh

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U.S. Producer Price Index shows inflation at bay

November 16, 2005

The Producer Price Index for October report released today shows prices for finished goods increased by 0.7 percent in October, prices rose by 1.9 percent in September.

Liquid Petroleum Gas climbed 1.4 percent compared with 24.7 percent in September. Gasoline dropped 3.3 percent, it increased 12.7 in September. Diesel fuel climbed 22.7 percent, having advanced 1.5 percent the previous month.

Prices for foods changed very little, a mere 0.1 percent decline, it increased 1.4 percent the previous month.

The Producer Price Index is a US government report on prices as seen from the producer of goods. This shows prices before effects such as government subsidies, sales and excise taxes, and distribution costs. The index is used as a leading indicator of consumer inflation in the future as changes in price will eventually flow down to the consumer.

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Original reporting
I can read a government report just as well as the next guy. A quick check of a few other news outlets shows the same stuff except with spin and extraneous political stuff thrown in. - Unsigned comment by Sfullenwider


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US admits use of white phosphorus in Iraq

November 16, 2005

A documentary aired by Italy's state-run RAI24 television has led to an admission from U.S. military of use of white phosphorous munitions during actions in Fallujah The documentary alleged the U.S.A. used the weapons in a "massive and indiscriminate way" against Iraqi civilians, but the military denies the weapons were used against citizens. Embedded Journalist Darrin Mortenson, who was with U.S. troops during the operation in Fallujah, already reported in April 2004 that a mortar team leader "directed his men to fire round after round of high explosives and white phosphorus charges into the city Friday and Saturday".

The U.S. State department initially denied that white phosphorus was used as weaponry, but Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col. Barry Venable said white phosphorous munitions were used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants. "It was not used against civilians," he said in a Tuesday briefing. Lt. Col. Venable repeated U.S. State department statements that white phosphorous munitions are a standard field artillery element. Up until at least April 2001 it was "against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets" according to the U.S. Army Battle Book.

The Pentagon briefing directed reporters to the March-April 2005 edition of the U.S. Army's Field Artillery magazine, where veterans of the Fallujah action described their use of white phosphorous munitions to "flush [insurgents] out", and it use as a screening agent (providing smoke cover) and as "a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines."

The 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons (Protocol III), which the USA is not a signatory to, disallows the use of incendiary weapons against civilian populations or air attacks against troops stationed in a civilian population center, but does not outlaw its battlefield use. General George Casey's 8 November 2004 briefing estimated the number of civilians still in Fallujah as between 20,000 and 100,000 civilians.

White phosphorous burns at temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit (2760 C). It is used to start fires and can cause severe burns where it strikes humans. The Italian documentary showed photos of what it said were Iraqis who had been burned by the white phosphorous. The accepted lethal dose of white phosphorous is 1mg/kg.

The smoke raises contentions for its battlefield use. It is primarily used as a "marker", as the high temperature combustion causes "pillaring" of the smoke column. But the smoke does contain phosphoric acid and traces of unburned phosphorous, which is corrosive to human tissue (internally and externally.) The US Army Field Manual cautions "Phosphorous smoke produces phosphoric acid. Soldiers must wear respiratory protection, such as protective masks, if exposed to phosphorous smoke."


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Evil is like obscenity
You know it when you see it; and it doesn't matter whose flag flies over its dirty deeds. Neutralizer 01:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Evil is as evil does, but the contents of any comments on this article have no bearing on the content of the article. Brian McNeil / talk 23:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

NPOV concerns
This article does not appear to be balanced, and does not present any evidence the USA's statements are not true. It also does not report the USA's statements regarding the issue. This article is in development, and I would encourage editors working on it attempt to balance the reporting before considering it ready for publication. - Amgine 01:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The article does not say the USA's statements are not true? Please edit it if you feel it is unbalanced. Neutralizer 01:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the Pentagon and State Department do now appear to be in agreement that White Phosphorous was used as a weapon against millitant, however the State Department is arguing that their use was not illegal. I've changed the article to reflect this. - Borofkin 01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Still has much more to go. As stated above, it said that it was used against enemies, so there's no difference in the statement released earlier and the one now; and certainly isn't NPOV to take a statement out of context.  Is heavily bordering on dupe and POV status right now.  --Mrmiscellanious 04:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought that the State Department had previously said that WP was not used as a weapon, i.e. it was used for lighting up targets, etc, whereas they have now admitted that it was used as a weapon. Isn't that what the article is about? - Borofkin 04:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I wish English was the language used at this wiki. Can someone translate "Is heavily bordering on dupe and POV status right now" into English? --JWSchmidt 04:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Jargon everywhere! A "dupe" is a duplicate article; one which does not address different elements of the same story, or only marginally (in which case it should be merged with the more complete article). I don't know which article this might be a duplicate of.

 * An article is POV (point of view) if it is biased toward or against a given viewpoint, belief, affiliation, party, ethnicity, etc., or states opinions, beliefs, or other items over which there is disagreement as to veracity as though they were facts. For example, there is disagreement within the military as to the classification of incendiary munitions as chemical warfare as their effect is not chemical in nature. This is why white phosphourous and depleted uranium weapons have never been listed in the Geneva Convention as chemical weapons, but instead are listed as conventional weapons. - Amgine 04:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Issue with the title -- white phosphorus as a "chemical weapon" may be contentious. Suggest change to USA admits using white phosphorus in Iraq.

Broken redirects
This page has been moved repeatedly. Has someone tracked back what links here and repaired broken redirects?

 * I'm working on the redirects. Neutralizer 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Technicalities
Change the title. The US Government didn't admit to using chemical weapons, they did admit to using white phosphorus. While it is debatable and I'll go so far as to say as probable that white phosphorus will be classified as a chemical weapon in the very near term the US Government currently considers white phosphorus not to be a chemical weapon therefore in their own mind they did not admit to using a chemical weapon. To say that they did is misleading. --Sfullenwider 05:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Title Change
Changed the title, felt it was NPOV/inaccurate and sensationalist. New title is a lot more accurate. Sinblox 05:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Unpublishing
I chose to unpublish this article, which is quite new, because text added to the article is not supported by sources, and contradicts the information linked at Wikipedia.

 * White phosphorous causes painful burns to human skin, but the contentious issue is the smoke, which is both toxic and extremely corrosive to human tissue (internally and externally) with which it forms hot, concentrated phosphoric acid on contact. The Italian documentary showed photos of what it said were Iraqis who had been burned by the white phosphorous and white phosphorous smoke. A small demonstration was held in front of the US embassy in Rome to protest the use of the chemical weapons by the Americans.

This section is not supported by sources. It also contradicts the Wikipedia article on white phosphorous.

 * Effect on humans

 * Exposure and inhalation of smoke

 * The dilute phosphoric acid in the aerosol cloud may be mildly irritating to the eyes but with normal field concentrations and exposure it is not harmful; extended exposure can lead to damage of lungs and throat. The smoke may also contain traces of unburnt phosphorus. A respirator usually provides adequate protection.

I assume editors would prefer to correct such misleading or misinformative information before publishing the article. - Amgine 06:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Amgine, the article should probably be modified as it is not precise enough. The Wikipedia article you quote contains the main point, namely the traces of unburned phosporus. "The accepted lethal dose [of white phosporus] is 1 mg/kg, although the ingestion of as little as 15 mg has resulted in death." [] or []. The problem is that sepecially civilians tend not to have respirators, and even when used in a highly populated area like Fallujah, white phosporus does not check who is a civilian and who is an incurgent before entering someones lung. --vonbergm 18:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Having been exposed to white phosphorous smoke during fire training in the military (without a respirator), I can assure it is unpleasant but not so unpleasant as the woodfire smoke in the smokehouse or the tear gas during the gas mask training. WP smoke is toxic as any particulate smoke is - but it is not useful as a chemical weapon. And there is no documentation supporting the statements currently in the article. - Amgine 18:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Please help with the actual article

 * Amgine, respectfully, why would you not do some work on the article to help it get to where you think it should be? The only edit from you on the article is the "unpublish" edit; so I am puzzled as to why someone so interested in the article would not contribute to its improvement? I do not mean to be disruptive or confrontative and there is no hidden meanings in my question; I am simply making a suggestion I think is in the best interests of the article. Neutralizer 14:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yesderday there was a problem uncovered with a bot run to tag pre Sept 25 articles as being in the public domain. In seemingly random cases it had put completely the wrong article text in on some articles.  With over 1,000 edits to check, looking at recent changes and picking up something like this would just be done in taking a break from that — like me picking up this comment in a coffee break from work.
 * Remember, tagging an article or moving it back to isn't a promise to do the work.  It's only something to get bothered about if someone has a history of tag'n'dash without justification of the tagging on the talk page.  Anyway, glad to see you're working on news rather than policy today. Brian McNeil / talk 15:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Neutralizer, its anti-wiki to just complain without any edits, even if your explaining yourself. It means your trying to prevent the article from being published by exhausting the actual editors.  Procedure should be N edits, A edits, N disagrees with A's edit & takes it to the talk page, at wich point either may tag it.. if N undoes A's edit, A should tag it.  But we now have N edits, A disagrees and tags without editing, which should be viewed as a tag&dash.  Amgine is clearly doing a tag&dash here.

Title correction
This article is about,primarily, the new news which is from the Nov.16th AP source which clearly includes admission by the USA of using white phosphoprous as a weapon. the older news is the Nov.14th. air force news source about the initial Italian claim. I have changed the article title accordingly to reflect the newer news. Neutralizer 14:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC) P.S. I tried to correct the redirects; hopefully they are ok. Neutralizer 14:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Was it ever news that the US used incediary weapons in Iraq? This title is akin to "USA admits to use bullets against people". Incediary weapons are pretty standard, at least for marking. Sinblox 17:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * How about title: "U.S.A. admits using incediary weapons in Fallujah". This is a little more precise and addresses the concern of Sinblox. The US has admitted before in using incendiary weapons in the early stages of the war, but denied having used them in Fallujah as late as last week (see "related article" and discussion page). If people feel strongly that the title could imply that these weapons were merely used for marking and not to target people, one could change the title to "U.S.A. admits using incendiary weapons against Fallujah insurgents". --vonbergm 18:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Guys, if you move the page back and forth please try to fix the redirects. It's not that hard, just click "What links here" in the toolbox. --Deprifry|+T+ 06:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
I have reviewed the three additional sources added to this article. Not one of them describe white phosphorous smoke as highly toxic. On the basis of the repeated publication with misinformation, after it has been raised on the talk page, I have tagged the article as a violation of the neutral point of view: reporting disputed statements as facts. - Amgine 18:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Article has been published by 3 different editors and pushed back from publishing by the same editor 3 times for "reasons bordering on esoteric that I don’t care to puzzle over"(I borrowed this from Ed). The disputing editor has not added any edits to the article other than the tags and unpublish edits; which may be technically ok but I think also interferes with a friendly atmosphere for article improvement. Since the rest of us have no way of knowing what/if any edits will satisfy the disputer, I see no choice but to republish until the disputer actually works on the article himself. Does anyone else see another reasonable approach? If not, I will remove the non=actionable NPOV tag and republish it myself in an hour or so. Neutralizer 19:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes I do have problems with someone unilaterally choosing to revoke the NPOV. If you cannot provide sources to support statements such as the one regarding the "extremely corrosive" smoke, remove them. All factual statements in an article must be supported by a source. - Amgine 19:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, International
Ok; International stepped up to the plate to work on the article. Thank you, International. Neutralizer 19:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * International, thank you for addressing one concern. Would you please find a source for the statement "The Italian documentary showed photos of what it said were Iraqis who had been burned by the white phosphorous and white phosphorous smoke ." The underlined section is not supported anywhere. - Amgine 19:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Amgine, you have a point there. But imoh not enough to npow the it. Someone have to reformulate it, maybe the original writer?

 * Yes. I removed it for now; if someone *does* find a source, it would be good one to add back. - Amgine 20:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Republishing
Consensus is for publishing. Last unpublish had no talk page comment at all to address. Neutralizer 23:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, it did. Talk pages comments aren't required for unpublishing.  View the history.  --Mrmiscellanious 23:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Information added during Amgine's rewrite
The information added by 84.67.179.52 should be reinserted in the final version, as this is an important piece of information. It seems to point out that there are different opinions within the US military whether or not WP is allowed to be used against personnel targets. Or am I missing something here? Someone (maybe with more experience in military jargon than I have) might want to verify this. --vonbergm 00:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

And here comes another report from an embedded journalist with a unit using WP in Fallujah. This seems to strengthen the allegation that WP was used quite loosely (in therms of selecting targets). Quote: "Bogert is a mortar team leader who directed his men to fire round after round of high explosives and white phosphorus charges into the city Friday and Saturday, never knowing what the targets were or what damage the resulting explosions caused." Or about "shake 'n' bake: "The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call "shake 'n' bake" into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week." --vonbergm 00:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Just about done, Vonbergm. Looking at your source now. Realizing this article is about the admission of action by the USA - WP is allowed by the US military against military (not civilian) personnel. It's generally considered to be too expensive/not effective as an anti-personnel weapon, however; instead it's used to flush (shake) opponents so they may be killed using HE (high-explosive - bake) shells. Shake-n-bake is a phrase used for many forms of flush-to-kill tactics. - Amgine 00:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Not for conflict, Amigne, but the reference provided by the user 84.67.179.52 says otherwise and may be dated to 1999. Is your knowledge from after this year or before? If your information is from before it, policy has changed. The website user referenced seems to be under heavy use currently and may not successfully load, so the material seemingly referenced is copied as follows with extraneous details removed.

Chapter 5

FIRE SUPPORT

Section III. SYSTEM AND WEAPON DATA

5-11. FIELD ARTILLERY AMMUNITION

...

(4) Burster Type White phosphorus (WP M110A2) rounds burn with intense heat and emit dense white smoke. They may be used as the initial rounds in the smokescreen to rapidly create smoke or against material targets, such as Class V sites or logistic sites. It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets.

The additional information is based on the book's title and authoring organisation. Some basic information noted with semicolon in place of line breaks: US Army Command & General Staff College; Ft Leavenworth, Kansas; July 1999. 68.210.70.211 00:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Three points:
 * I cannot confirm the text cited above. (site returning 404) but google lists the document creation as 04-April-2005
 * www.fas.org does not appear to me as a military site.
 * I cannot confirm the existence of any army document st100-3.
 * I'll take this up again when I get back in about 2 hours. Hopefully the article will be published at that time, but will remain NPOV and true to sources. The facts are pretty damning; it would be a shame if people pushed an agenda to the point the article were removed from publication. - Amgine 00:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Amigne, responses to your points. The website is that of the Federation of American Scientists, and the document is located in its Military Analysis Network section. For information on the FAS look on this page:http://www.fas.org/static/about.jsp. Document ST 100-3 Battle Book is an Army Command and General Staff College Student Text, perhaps that is why you can not locate it easily on other pages. Are unaltered redistributions of army educational documents not considered valid sources? Google is not the publisher and the date the web page may have been created is not the date that the book from which material published there was taken was itself published.

Aside, why was the ATSDR basic phosphorous and specific white phosphorous toxicological information removed in your rewrite, simply a matter of placement? It is basic knowledge for the understanding of a central concept of this news entry. 68.210.70.211 01:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Found military website reference for the "against the law of land warfare" quote: [] The site does not load up for me, but the internet archive indicates that it was put up at that site in 2001 and has not been changed since. []. This info should be added, as it seems to contradict the official statements. Or are there differences in the rules for army and other branches of the military? --vonbergm 01:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me that there are different types of weapons using white phosphorus. there are the bombs and there are mortar shells. Looking at all the information we have, both were used against enemy combattants. At least the use of artillary shells (same as mortars?) seems to be illegal according to the ST100-3 Battle book. Can someone who knows more about this confirm this? --vonbergm 01:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm looking for sources for you, Vonbergm. Here is the current US Army Field Manual, complete with video clips and slide shows; did not find the relevant section.
 * BTW: I don't know who added the section regarding the artillery shooting of shells at unknown targets, but that's what the definition of artillery is. They have coordinates called to them, and they try to hit those coordinates with the requested munitions. For anyone who knows what artillery is that sentence (and the original reporting) sounds like an idiot, like they didn't research their subject or are trying to convince people that something completely unexpected and criminal is happening when it's the normal violence of war. - Amgine 02:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Law of land warfare
 * http://www.army.mil/cmh/books/Vietnam/Law-War/Law-Appg.htm (indicates the current law is a Geneva convention schedule from 1956)
 * http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~nstanton/FM27-10.htm A nearly-accurrate copy of the Field Manual 27 - Law of Land Warfare.

Amgine, the link to the ST100-3 on the army.mil website I found is dead. If you look at the internet archives you can still find it (see link in my comment above). The question is whether the manual just moved somewhere else or whether the rules changed since 2001. This is getting interesting. About the changes in the first paragraph, that was me. I put the quote in to underscore that claims that clivilians were not "targeted" does not mean that civilians were not "hit". To someone like me it is not obvious that this type of collateral damage is normal. (Maybe I am too naive?) -vonbergm 03:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * If the link is dead, that would mean the policy is no longer valid. Of course, trying to find the *new* policy will be nearly impossible. However, in looking through the Law of Land Warfare law and interpretation (FM-27) I'm not finding any basis for an interpretation that WP would be outlawed. It's really quite odd, that law. "How can we make murder and mayhem 'nice', while not preventing us from actually engaging in it." (feeling a bit cynical tonite) - Amgine 03:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks to me now that this rule does not exist any more. I will add a note that the use of white phosphorus on personnel targets was against the U.S. rule of land warfare until at least 2001 and add the link to the internet archive regarding the appropriate army.mil website. This adds another dimension to the story, as it seems that this rule has only been changed recently. --vonbergm 04:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Removal of incorrect information
Specifically in the previously added ToxFAQs™ for White Phosphorus reference:

The EPA has determined that white phosphorus is not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity in humans. There are no studies available in people or animals that suggest white phosphorus causes cancer.

 * Cool! another source listed it as carcinogenic; glad you caught that. - Amgine 04:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


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For the comment on my article: "Australian man to be executed in Singapore". Good onya! Although someone else sayse the POV is out! --elliot_k 13:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

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Australia qualifies for FIFA World Cup 2006

November 17, 2005

Australia's national soccer team, the Socceroos, have qualified for the 2006 Soccer World Cup in Germany, after beating Uruguay in a penalty shoot out in front of 80 000 spectators at Stadium Australia. This is the first time that Australia has qualified in 32 years and the second time in the history of the FIFA Football World Cup. The Australian team is managed by the Dutchman Guus Hiddink, who led South Korea to the semi finals of the 2002 Soccer World Cup and is also currently coaching PSV Eindhoven, a Dutch football club.

Australia lost the first qualifier to Uruguay 1-0 in Montevideo and needed to win by 2 goals in order to guarantee qualification. A goal by Marco Bresciano in the first half had Australia leading 1-0 at the end of regular and extra time - leading to a penalty shoot-out. Goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer saved the first Uruguayan penalty attempt and Australia made their first three shots count. However Mark Viduka shot wide and the game was again open. Australia's chance was again alive as Schwarzer saved the next shot. The subsequent shot sealed the win for the Socceroos.

Australia
Uruguayan Keeper: Fabián Carini

Goals: Missed:
 * Harry Kewell
 * Lucas Neil
 * Tony Vidmar
 * Jon Aloisi
 * Mark Viduka

Uruguay
Australian Keeper: Mark Schwarzer

Goals:
 * Gustavo Varela
 * Fabián Estoyanoff

No Score:
 * Dario Rodríguez
 * Marcelo Zalayeta

Yellow Cards
Time in Minutes:

 * 28: Australia - Tony Popovic
 * 39: Australia - Tony Vidmar
 * 45: Uruguay - Mario Regueiro
 * 45: Uruguay - Diego Carlos
 * 53: Australia - Jason Culina
 * 68: Uruguay - Guillermo Rodríguez
 * 76: Uruguay - Pablo Garcia
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Original reporting
is watching it on Tv original reporting?--Whywhywhy 12:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think (and I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer this) yes - if you watched the match. Brian McNeil / talk 12:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Guys, can you delete this comment of mine and fill in something about the original reporting. Watched on which channel, match times, anything you can think of. Brian McNeil / talk 13:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Publishing
can some one publish it. i cant figure out what ima doing wrong --Whywhywhy 13:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the date is wrong on this. When I refreshed the main page it came up under yesterday's news.  All edits are done today - as far as GMT is concerned. Brian McNeil / talk 13:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Title (Headline changed)
Just a suggestion -- shouldn't the title say Soccer or Football in it somewhere? I suggest: Australia Qualifies for Soccer World Cup. -

FIFA calls the game "football", but since there are several "World Cups", if you do include a modifier for "World Cup", I'd suggest "FIFA World Cup™". That's my advice after reading a bit of FIFAworldcup.com. However, you probably don't want to list that site as a source since all content is copyright. Yes, the TV broadcast was probably copyright, too - but reporting what you saw is a lot closer to fair use than quoting and sourcing written material. Maybe the current headline is good enough? Karen 03:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I would have to agree. the addition of FIFA wouldn't be upset AFL fans or NRL or soccer fans :) and defines it better.--Whywhywhy 05:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, by the way. If it weren't for these stories, I'd have no clue what was going on in the rest of the world. 07:33, 17 November 2005 (UTC) I see that Boneyard took my advice and changed the headline. That one option was the biggest reason I registered here as headlines are often not written very clearly the first time. I suppose writing a good headline is an artform. Karen 01:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


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More from APEC: EU not backing down

November 16, 2005

The deadlock held in place by the EU continues after the finish of a 2 day meeting at today. The EU stated that it will not budge on deliberalizing its tariffs on imported agricultural goods unless others provide more on industrial goods and services. The EU has received criticism for not matching an offer by the US widely considered to be generous. EU does not plan to make a further offer on agricultural issues before the next WTO ministerial meeting in December 13-18. The timetable for the current round of WTO talks requires an outline agreement in place for the December meeting.

Rob Portman, the US Trade Representative, was not able to nail down some better detailed trade proposals.

"The Doha Development Agenda negotiations are in dire straits," Kim Hyun-chong, South Korean trade minister said. He also believed that APEC members, specifically China and Japan, as well as the US, did not have "specific numbers" to offer as concessions.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice took the meetings as an opportunity to get APEC members to do more on terrorism. "APEC nations must deepen our cooperation in the global fight against terrorism,' Rice said. "In the past year we have seen that the threat of global terrorism is still very real, with vicious new attacks in Indonesia and Russia and the Philippines,"

APEC ministers agreed that by the end of 2006 that all major airports will be safe from attacks by shoulder-fired ground-to-air missiles.

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French parliament extends state of emergency to three months

November 17, 2005

The French Parliament passed a law extending the state of emergency decreed on November 8 by president Jacques Chirac for a duration of 3 months, the executive being authorized to terminate this period earlier if necessary. The November 8 decision, based on a 1955 statute, could last for a maximum of 12 days only, after which Parliament had to vote on an extension.

The state of emergency allows local authorities to prohibit public meetings and regulate movements of persons, including curfews. In addition, in certain zones specified by the executive, where riots have recently taken place, local authorities may close meeting halls or bars; detain firearms; and authorize searches inside habitations during the day or the night by administrative order (normally, searches during formal criminal investigations have to be authorized by a judge). The government said that it will not use the power to regulate the media, and that searches will be subject to supervision by the judiciary.

The law was defended by Nicolas Sarkozy, in charge of law enforcement. Sarkozy spoke before the French National Assembly (which approved the text on November 15) and the French Senate (which approved it on November 16); he defended the actions of the government and explained why, in his opinion, the law had to be voted. Sarkozy is also the head of the UMP party, which holds a majority in both houses, and there was no doubt that the text would be approved.

Sarkozy added that in the forthcoming months, (riot division of the ) and Gendarmerie mobile forces would operate daily in difficult suburbs as a "proximity police". He contended that the "proximity police" established by preceding left-wing government was too much concerned with social activities and not enough about arresting criminals. Sarkozy has also contended that some of the riots were orchestrated by drug traffickers, gangsters and other criminals in order to secure lawless zones.

The French Socialist Party opposed the law, claiming it was excessive. Some left-wing members of parliament contended that using a law passed in 1955 to help quashing Algerian independence movements against children of Algerian immigrants was somewhat insensitive and unsuccessfully proposed an amendment to repeal the 1955 law. On the other hand, right-wing anti-immigrant politician has contended that the government was far too soft and called for the use of military force. Jean-Marie Le Pen, a longtime opponent of immigration from poor, Muslim countries, pointed out that the events vindicated what he had long said.

Members of Sarkozy's UMP party blamed the de facto of some African immigrants for the failure of their families to raise and educate children properly. They suggested a more restrictive approach to immigration.

Nicolas Sarkozy is a probable contender for the 2007 presidential election. According to polls, his approval rate jumped by +11 to 63% during the events; he leads the approval opinions for presidential candidates.

Sources (in French)

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Wikinews talk:Introduction

Regional editions?
Are there "regional editions" of Wikinews? For example, would a person see a different version depending on whether they access Wikinews from, say, the USA, Canada, or England? I'm asking this because I'm surprised at how much of what I see here seems to be from my area. Thanks. Wanderer57 (talk) 16:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we don't have regional editions. The reason that we have so many articles from certain regions is because contributors like to write about there own area. Anonymous101talk 16:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Presumably then there are a disproportionate number of contributors from my region.  Is there a table of the number of contributors from various regions?  Wanderer57 (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Task force
Is there something similar to (other Mediawiki) Wikiprojects or Taskforces in Wikinews?. --Diamondland (talk) 11:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Just me, BloodRedSandman, and Pi Zero cracking the whip and beating news articles out of you. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 19:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Whip! Task forces/WikiProjects don't really tend to work on WN, where we collectively tend to write whatever stories grab our attention at the time. Obviously, there are clear trends in each individual's reporting but for the most part we never tie ourselves to coverage of any specific area. There was an Australian project that worked well for a while, but it eventually became inactive. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Good point people for Wikinews to help new users?
Hi everyone. I'm looking to gather 1-3 contacts for Wikinews who would be interested in serving as point people for new editors from Wikipedia. I don't expect that it'll be too time consuming, but, just in case we have a new editor stop by the Teahouse who expresses interest in participating in media contributions and you can be friendly and welcome them and perhaps direct them to an area that might interest them. You're welcome to respond here, or even better, on my talk page if you're interested in being added to this list. Thanks :D SarahStierch (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Non-hierarchical
I believe any changes made to the section that describes admins' authority should be specific, explicitly outlining their privileges.

I believe the version proposed by Pi zero is vague enough to be abused as in "I think I am right because I am me/an admin and you are wrong because you are you/not an admin, so I can voice negative opinions about you freely but you are engaging in misconduct if you reciprocate." It could be abused to exclude people based on disagreements rather than on policy. "I have three friends and we say we matter and you don't." This is based on my own experience here on Wikinews.

I highly, highly recommend that actual changes to Wikinews policy wait until after the global pandemic has passed, though I encourage Pi zero and anyone else who wants to to prepare their ideas in Wikinews essays and propose them for use as guidelines a few months down the line. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 * There's no change to policy involved here. The policies exist.  This page is merely offering a few explanations.  (Now that you've drawn my attention to it, I see there are a few other bits that ought to be updated; some things have changed since a bunch of this was written.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree that the changes you are making are not substantive. They are substantive and the should be discussed first.  Changing the wording from making no mention of "reputation" to adding the undefined and vague term "reputation," which can be abused, is a substantive change.
 * If the community believes that these policies are out of date, then we should all work out a wording ahead of time.
 * You're allowed to be WN:BOLD for changes that you sincerely believe no one will mind, but I'm telling you that I mind.
 * That's two reverts. I don't plan another one for the immediate future, per our policies.  However, consider this: You'll probably get your way.  If you make a formal proposal, how many people will support you just because it's you doing it?  Then you will have the satisfaction of knowing you went about it in the right way, and probably some improvements from me along the way. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Vague terms
The introduction of the word "reputation" concerns me. It is clearly important to the proposer, but I feel that unless it is defined very strictly (it would take more than a link to WN:NEVERASSUME, which the proposer did think to provide), it could be abused. Anyone could accuse anyone of anything by interpreting that word in a different way each time. Although it would be my preference to leave the word out entirely, if it goes in, WN:REPUTATION should be clearly and concretely defined first. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , already documented, see the link and Code of Ethics> please do not edit war or you may be blocked Gryllida (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Your comment about edit warring is unnecessary.
 * You've linked to the page on ethics, which does not contain the word "reputation." Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Reputation is defined as "what somebody is known for"; this supports "never assume" by encouraging the contributors to only draw conclusion based on what they saw and know, rather than by making unnecessary assumptions.
 * Example: Seeing someone is competent at reading a Spanish source in one place and report accurately from them and consistently for some time, that person can be deemed competent in reading Spanish sources. This is their reputation and is what they are known for.
 * Another example: someone is not a native English speaker and misunderstood a source. This was explained to them and they didn't make this mistake again, but in their next article they made another mistake because of a vocabulary barrier. This person gains reputation as a foreigner who is starting to expose themselves to a new language. If it becomes known what is their native language, this becomes added to the reputation, and other people speaking the same language may be able to assist further.
 * This is why the link is there. I do not think this should unnecessarily bother anyone; it is simply a statement saying that a person is known for what they visibly do on here, something glaringly obvious and I simply do not see how else it should work. Gryllida (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes but known by whom? And where is the line between something that is true/known and merely believed?  People can be wrong.
 * I think the thing to do is to create an essay WN:REPUTATION to define all this. If I asked "Do you think drafters should have to address someone of higher 'reputation' as 'Enlightened Master'?" you'd probably say no, but the question "Do admins get to call drafters 'ignorant'?" came up today, and you clearly think they do.  I'm feeling an undercurrent of "If you're a reviewer/admin," then you are by definition never wrong and anyone who says you are wrong is committing misconduct" and I don't think that would be good for the site. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This is why the link is there. I do not think this should unnecessarily bother anyone; it is simply a statement saying that a person is known for what they visibly do on here, something glaringly obvious and I simply do not see how else it should work. Gryllida (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes but known by whom? And where is the line between something that is true/known and merely believed?  People can be wrong.
 * I think the thing to do is to create an essay WN:REPUTATION to define all this. If I asked "Do you think drafters should have to address someone of higher 'reputation' as 'Enlightened Master'?" you'd probably say no, but the question "Do admins get to call drafters 'ignorant'?" came up today, and you clearly think they do.  I'm feeling an undercurrent of "If you're a reviewer/admin," then you are by definition never wrong and anyone who says you are wrong is committing misconduct" and I don't think that would be good for the site. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You were not called an ignorant, Darkfrog24. Stop deliberately misrepresenting that. Your decision to not know the truth and call my admin action an abuse of the rights is dripping with ignorance, for which you have shown no interest knowing what the truth is. Anyone who comments about something they don't even know about is indeed ignorant about that topic. This is not a place to put your questions. Please do so at the appropriate place. •–• 19:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikinews
Do you know (oh! You didn't) Well, i let you know that WIKINEWS is too special Why special? It can be used for so many ways like this,

Writing an article Article outline Editing help

Article tags Infoboxes Article decorations

Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view Content guide Cite sources Style guide Naming conventions Original reporting Contents

Contact us Administrators Wikinews chatroom Water cooler

These are the special thing that you have to know and understand about wikinews Learn, understand and do it by your own way, i hope you like it. Practice lng😁 Achilles c (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Significant edit
I've just made a quite significant update to this, including adding the "What you can edit" and "Review" sections so this page acknowledges review and archive conventions. Heavy Water (talk) 23:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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US use of white phosphorus in Iraq may constitute a war crime

November 17, 2005

A smoke and incendiary weapon
Yesterday the United States admitted using incendiary weapons containing white phosphorus during a major offensive in Fallujah. There is question, however, as to what end the use of these weapon is legal under conventions of war.

The way white phosphorus munitions are used determines if it falls in the category of chemical weapons, says Professor Paul Rodgers from the University of Bradford department of peace studies. "It is not counted under the chemical weapons convention in its normal use but, although it is a matter of legal niceties, it probably does fall into the category of chemical weapons if it is used for this kind of purpose directly against people." Professor Paul Rodgers is the writer of the book "A War on Terror: Afghanistan and After".

As reported on November 15 in the UK's Independent, according to three artillery men writing in the March-April edition of Field Artillery, the magazine of the US Field Artillery based in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, which is readily available on the internet, white phosphorus was used "as a potent psychological weapon against insurgents in trench lines and spider holes...We fired 'shake and bake' [a combination of white phosphorus and explosives] missions at the insurgents using WP to flush them out and high exposive shells (HE) to take them out."

A spokesman for the US military, Lt. Col. Barry Venable, said yesterday when US admitted the use of white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon, that "White phosphorus is a conventional munition. It is not a chemical weapon. They are not outlawed or illegal." He added that "it was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants."

Robert Tuttle, the American ambassador to London, wrote "U.S. forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons," in a letter to the Independent newspaper. When confronted with the US militaries' admission, an embassy spokesperson said "all questions on WP" should be referred to the Pentagon.

Sir Menzies Campbell, Member of the British Parliament (Liberal Democrat), says: "The use of this weapon may technically have been legal, but its effects are such that it will hand a propaganda victory to the insurgency. The denial of use followed by the admission will simply convince the doubters that there was something to hide."

The Independent article concludes with a quote from Kathy Kelly of the group Voices in the Wilderness. She said: 'If the US wants to promote security for this generation and the next, it should build relationships with these countries. If the US uses conventional or non-conventional weapons, in civilian neighourhoods, that melt people's bodies down to the bone, it will leave these people seething. We should think on this rather than arguing about whether we can squeak such weapons past the Geneva Conventions and international accords.'

White phosphorus. A conventional or a chemical weapon?
Battlefield concentrations of white phosphorus gas are generally considered harmless: there are no documented cases of white phosophorus gases resulting in fatalities. However, its use as an incendiary is under question. The United States reportedly ordered civilians to evacuate areas wherein white phosphorus was going to be used.

But claims that U.S. use of white phosphorus--or 'Whiskey Pete' or 'Willy Pete', as it is called by the military--contravenes the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, are based on its prohibition of any "toxic chemical" weapons which cause "death, harm or temporary incapacitation to humans or animals through their chemical action on life processes." The fact that direct exposure to white phosphorus produces precisely such effects on humans has been substantiated by numerous sources, both medical and military. However, since the effect of white phosphorus is largely incendiary, and incendiaries are specifically not precluded, there is some ambiguity regarding the classification of white phosphorus weapons.

The Iraqi government will investigate the American use of white phosphorus munitions during the battle of Fallujah. The inquiry will try to determine whether US forces committed war crimes according to international weapons treaties.


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Talk:US use of white phosphorus in Iraq may constitute a war crime

This is a big thing. Please all, develop this article.International 02:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone help with copyedit. English is not my native language :) International 04:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Do war crimes fall under category:human rights? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 03:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

It would seem that the "toxic chemical" definition from the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention was intended to cover poisons, corrosives, and things with similar effects (like radioactive dust), and was specifically written not to include incendiaries or explosives and other (morbidly) "traditional" materiel of warfare. WP (the military calls it "Willy Pete" not "Sneaky Pete" to my knowledge) is unambiguously an incendiary, not a poison or a corrosive as it reacts with the oxygen in the air to burn your flesh as a secondary effect before it can react with the oxygen in your flesh and burn it directly. It may be a semantic argument for permitting WP, but it seems clear to me that weapons like it were intentionally excluded from this particular definition. Maybe another part of the Convention applies to bar WP.

If it didn't burn so quickly, this would apply:
 * 150 mg of white phosphorus can cause acute pain, convulsions and, possibly, death. When the fumes of white phosphorus are continuously breathed in, Figure 10, they cause necrosis of the nasal and jawbones (maxilla and mandible). In very small doses, phosphorus stimulates the nervous system. In terms of the physical properties of P, it is available as white or red P. When white P reacts with light, it forms "yellow P"; "yellow" P is white P with a light coating of red P on its surface.

Unpublished
Unpublished the article as it's not quite ready. Sinblox 05:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Title
I changed the title since the previous one was misspelt and kind of clumsy. If anyone is dissatisfied with the current one, feel free to change it to something better. - Apollyon 11:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

CBS?
CBC 2005 "U.S. official admits phosphorus used as weapon in Iraq". CBS

Does CBC have anyting to do with CBS? --JWSchmidt 13:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't think so, since CBC is Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. - Apollyon 14:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, fixed.International 15:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Source
A source would be good to "The United States reportedly ordered civilians to evacuate areas wherein white phosphorus was going to be used." Btw thank you 4.79.137.23 and all for contributions.International 17:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Anyone have any picture ideas
the only thing I can think of is: Does anyone have a beter idea? Bawolff ☺☻ 01:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * w:Image:USSAlabama WP bomb.jpg
 * Image:Iraq map fallujah.png

 * I'd stay away from the USSAlabama pic, as well - it has nothing to do with ships (well, very little at the most). --Mrmiscellanious 01:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd recommend (permission permitting):
 * WP disposal explosions from http://www.coralstrand.karoo.net/contents/f_gallery.htm
 * a WP smokescreen gone awry at http://www.theage.com.au/news/Arts/Win-for-photography-under-fire/2005/05/05/1115092613346.html
 * charred corpse from http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/ach3.jpeg


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Talk:Fire in Tema, Ghana threatening oil refinery

Could someone please move this to "Fire in Tema, Ghana threatening oil refinery"? The spelling mistake is somewhat embarassing, particularly in the case of a published article. Sarge Baldy 03:15, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The headline is pretty ambiguous and not specific. "Fire in Tema, Ghana threatening oil refinery." Tema is a town in Ghana and very big for that purpose for fire to engulf it entirely. Ghana threatening oil refinery too is not a specific content. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.66.209.80 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Off hand I'd have thought it sounded specific enough to uniquely identify the story. It isn't immediately obvious to me that this headline would have to mean the entire town was threatened.  What would you have suggested as a headline here? --Pi zero (talk) 14:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


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Portal talk:Bahá'í Faith

Alternative images
Bawolff ☺☻ 04:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Religious_symbols
 * wikipedia:Image:Bahaistar.jpg
 * wikipedia:Image:Bahai.jpg

Use of diacritical marks
The spelling used in this portal has been established using the "diacritical" marks preferred by most Baha'is. For an in depth discussion about this please refer to the Baha'i Faith discussion pages in wikipedia.
 * There's no discusion in wp about that, that I could find. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:24, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

 * It's well hidden in the archive pages. I'm going to ask the Baha'i wikipedians to move it to a proper subpage and then I'll link in from here AndrewRT 20:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

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Greetings friend,

I have gradually been spreading my WikiWings to sister projects, and this has led to becoming an administrator on Wikisource, and an accredited photojournalist here on Wikinews.

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Rumsfeld's Australia visit sparks protests

November 17, 2005 United States Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was confronted with fierce criticism by 500 anti-war demonstrators at a rally on the steps outside South Australia's Parliament House today. Mr Rumsfeld and his delegation arrived at Adelaide Airport this morning amid tight security. Mr Rumsfeld and other senior members of the United States government will attend the Australia-United States Ministerial Meeting (AUSMIN), to be hosted by Defence Minister Robert Hill and Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer.

The rally, labelling Mr Rumsfeld a war criminal, also called for the freeing of Australian man David Hicks from Guantanamo Bay jail.

In a press conference held on Thursday, Defence Minister Robert Hill said that Hicks would probably be discussed, however he is not on the agenda. When asked why, Mr Hill replied, "Because the trial of David Hicks in the United States, allegations that he breached US law, is not a matter of national security between Australia and the United States. But because he came from Adelaide, I have no doubt that the issue will be raised. And we would say what we have been saying, which is that we would like to see the trial progressed as quickly as possible."

Australian Democrats SA leader Sandra Kanck said the rally was originally intended to protest at the proposed new terror laws.

"We would not need terror laws if our Prime Minister had not tied us to the coat tails of George W Bush and Donald Rumsfeld," she said. "I have been delighted to hear much sedition here today and I have been delighted to see placards that are saying seditious things. "But by Christmas this may not be allowed in our democracy."

The government has previously rejected such criticism of the proposed anti-terror laws, arguing that protest and free speech will not be affected. Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock said in an interview last week that "there is very clear protection of fair comment." He also said that criticism of the new legislation is based on a misunderstanding of the role of definitions in legislation.

"Most of the arguments I've seen ... has been predicated on a view that if you look at the definition of ‘seditious intent' which is for definitional purposes, that that is in fact constituting an offence. It is not one of the offences. And to use ‘seditious intent' as a basis for looking at what people would be prosecuted for misunderstands basic statutory interpretation," Mr Ruddock said.

Strict security precautions ensured demonstrators could not get near Mr Rumsfeld, who is in Adelaide for ministerial talks between the US and Australian governments.

South Australian Greens MP Kris Hanna said Mr Rumsfeld was a symbol of that power and money which runs the United States and Australia. "They are willing to kill, they are willing to murder innocent civilians by the tens of thousands to exploit the resources of other countries and sacrifice even their own soldiers for these goals of war and expropriation."

Deputy US Secretary of State Bob Zoellick will also take part. Police in Adelaide have thrown a tight security net around the conference venue and hotel where the guests will stay, with up to 500 officers involved.

Yesterday, SA's assistant police commissioner described Mr Rumsfeld as one of the world's top terrorist targets.

Arrests
One man at the rally was removed by police and faces a disorderly conduct charge. South Australian police confirmed the 24-year-old man was removed from the protest outside the state parliament building, about 5pm (CDST).

"A 24-year-old man has been removed from the parliament house area and reported for disorderly behaviour," Superintendent Neil Smith said tonight. "He will receive a summons to appear in court at a later date."

Police removed and then later arrested the man who allegedly clashed with a sole pro-US demonstrator.

Ban on Rumsfeld protest removed
Parliamentary officials had originally banned the rally, saying demonstrators would be arrested if they went ahead with the protest. But South Australian parliamentary speaker Bob Such yesterday said the protest may proceed.

Dr Such said the initial ban was made on advice from police. But he said he was subsequently advised that he could consider applications from people wanting to protest during the visit.

The Rice Rumsfeld Reception Committee said the decision to lift the ban was a "victory for democracy and the right to dissent".

Sandra Kanck described the ban as foolish and a dangerous attack on free speech. Police said they would not tolerate violent protests.


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