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User talk:Kamnet

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Great Work
on the audio. Anonymous101talk 20:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. Great work! It's always interesting to hear your written work spoken. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to see someone doing audio, but aren't these under a license that would allow upload to Commons? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I wasn't aware of Commons (I'm still a n00b!), how do you link the audio file from Commons? Kamnet (talk) 11:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the same as linking to any other file, just use [[image:filename]] . The software guess that if it can't find a file on wikinews, then it's probably over at commons. Also, you might want to set up an account soon since it will take about 10 days or 10 edits before you can start uploading files to commons. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 12:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, everything is good to go. Thank you again! Kamnet (talk) 15:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you have a pretty decent news voice;). I really hope that someone fixes that audio template soon. It messes up the page formats something fierce. I tried, but I couldn't make it work. Gopher65talk 03:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the complement! As for the template, personally I'd prefer to see the sound icon included near the top of the headline, the info box for it doesn't have to be nearly as big since it would be in a more prominent place, but just thinking "Oh! I didn't have to read it all when I could have just listened to it!" Perhaps I'll bring that up in the future. Kamnet (talk) 03:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Kevin Fields
Hey, I notice that on the Audio Wikinews page (likewise, thanks for reviving it) your username is linking to User:Kevin Fields. Generally, it's not a good idea to have user pages for non-existent users, in case someone actually does come along to register that name. Do you think you could either change those links to point to User:Kamnet, or otherwise register the other name and redirect one of the user pages to the other? (Note that I use that tactic - my alternate nickname that I use on other projects here redirects to my "real name" account.) Thanks, Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 06:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, I've just realised that in the "News in brief" you do it the other way around. It would also be an idea to stick to one consistent style. Pick whichever you prefer! Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 06:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Thank you for catching this, fixed! By the way, are you able to either look into Problem with News in Brief, or tell me who I can talk to about it? Kamnet (talk) 06:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Some of us have been really sneaky and created pages like Brian McNeil. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 08:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Editor status
I think you've probably established enough of a reputation with the audio now that you should apply for Editor status. What this would mean is that when you add the audio to an already reviewed and sighted article it would be auto-sighted and immediately available to users who are not logged in. At the moment people have to sight your edits to make the audio available. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Creative Commons audio
You might want to subscribe to the JustFM mailing list on open-mesh.se. Mirko Lindner [mirko at creativecommons.se] is the contact for this. They're running an Internet radio station of freely licensed material and if you can do news briefs they would be very interested in carrying them.

I can probably also arrange some easy to integrate music clips for you from a musician friend in Scotland. If you want something fresh for the music, give me a prod and I'll pass you his email address. You can send him a link to a raw brief on Commons and he'll jazz it up. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think the audio transcripts should have music in them? << Kamnet (talk) 14:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Location of the Audio Box
Kamnet, first off I want to congratualte you on your contributions to Audio Wikinews. Your recordings are fantastic and I listen to them everyday. Keep up the good work.

However, I really don't think that the Audio Box should go at the top of the article page. It's distracting and somewhat out of place. I think a much better place would be at the bottom, by the Comment Box. You might want to consider doing this. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This has been a topic of discussion for the last several days on the IRC channel, the consensus was that having the audio at the bottom was pointless, by the time visitor has read the article, why would they need or want to listen to the audio. Combined with issues regarding layout of the Audio template itself, several of us looked at re-designing the template so it was in a more prominent place, but not obtrusive. This was eventually taken to the water cooler where several editors worked on developing a new template and optimizing its position for either the top-left or top-right.
 * Good answer, but I have a suggestion. For a well put together article there will be a lede with the who, what, where, when, why, and how that is 3-4 lines long. For a lengthy article it may be an idea to have this lede and then the audio box immediately after it. This is the point where someone has more of a clue than what the headline suggests and decides if they want more - possibly an ideal point to offer the audio option. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem that I see with this is that a) the audio box is not put into a consistent place, and b) it pushes other content even further down the page, which is going to cause conficts with things like photos, HYS and information tables. Perhaps it would be better to put it in the top-right corner instead? Kamnet (talk) 11:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay I went back to my test page and I think it would be better to align the audio box to the right of the page, level with the date, above infoboxes and photos and set to a width equal to that of the vertical infoboxes. If the audio box is going to push any content down, at least all it should push down is the stuff that is also floating to the right. Kamnet (talk) 12:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Peer Reviewed Template
When using the peer_reviewed template, please use just the number after oldid in the URL, for instance 123456. —Calebrw (talk) 18:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any "oldid" in the URLs. I just checked now on an article, didn't see it show up-- http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:D.C._Superior_Court_Judge_Satterfield_elevated_to_position_of_Chief_Judge&action=edit Am I supposed to be looking somehwere else for this? Kamnet (talk) 23:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can go to the history tag and click on the link with the time and dates and it should show up with something like this http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=D.C._Superior_Court_Judge_Satterfield_elevated_to_position_of_Chief_Judge&oldid=698856

--PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * DOH! I get it now. Thank you for the heads-up! Kamnet (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you figured it out. I was at work when I typed that, and my original response got deleted (because IE is stupid). That one was more detailed and correct. —Calebrw (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!!!
Welcome back! It's great to hear the news again. Keep up the great work. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token 037101dfcdaa8247b1a585357e0b1bac
I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Wikinews interviews Mike Lebowitz, Chairman of The Modern Whig Party
Could you do a peer review for the article above? Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 23:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

PSN interview.
Great work on getting the interview. I haven't yet had a chance to read it, but kudos for just getting it. —Calebrw (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, comments are very much appreciated! Kamnet (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kamnet
I am Clpro, a former Cantonese web news anchor from HK. I clicked to you user page and found it was interesting.If you need help of China and HK stories, please do not hesitate to find me.
 * MSN and Email: shinotenhanegmail.com
 * Clpro2 (talk) 08:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Campus Radio audio stream
Thanks for your note. If you have no objection I will try including some Audio Wikinews Briefs in the WCR audio stream. --JWSchmidt (talk) 18:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC) None from me. The whole point of Wikinews Audio Edition is for free distribution of news content. :-) <<<< kamnet (talk) 05:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiBureau Economics and business
Hiya ,

I saw that you expressed an interest in the proposal for an economics and business bureau. It has been created at WikiBureau Economics and business.

Thanks,

Anonymous101talk 18:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Moon Impact Probe to land tonight
I have taken the liberty of using some of your material to start Story preparation/India's flag planted on Moon. Please help. --InfantGorilla (talk) 07:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews Relaunch
Heyla! -  Amgine | t 04:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Did you try e-mailing Turtlestack, or shall I? -  Amgine | t 20:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

 * No, I didn't try. I was just curious as to who currently controls it. -- kamnet (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Hiya. I haven't been doing the AWN since mid August so the project is currently looking for new life. Most of the guides and templates are updated to reflect the direction I took the show in but there was some unfinished work I left behind too (mostly the style guides). The main thing I did with the show was make it less of an amateur hobby project and a much more polished, professional and of iTunes quality (especially the This Day In History segments at the end of every show). The iTunes feed is from a personal podbean.com account I set up but it's a free account with serious bandwidth and file size restrictions; in other words, not worth it at all. Setting up another (and more reliable) hosting service isn't difficult (though it would cost money). However, whatever you decide to do with the show is up to you. I'll admit that I'd love to revive the project (we recently discussed making it a weekly show), but the show, at least as I ran it, requires more than 1 or 2 people and so I don't see myself getting involved again at the moment. So, in other words, feel free to take over AWN. I'd love to see someone else have some fun with it and maybe take it in a direction I never thought and I'd love to see it become successful. I hereby pass the torch onto you and I wish you the very best success with the project. Wikinews is a great project and everyone who contributes is a pleasure to work with and I enjoyed every moment of being part of the team. There are some incredibly talented and dedicated people who are part of wikinews and they deserve a AWN project that's every bit as professional, talented and dedicated as they are. Of course, I'll be more than glad to assist you in the transition in whatever way you need anytime you need it, so please feel free to contact me for anything. Best of luck, Turtlestack (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Hi Dan, thank you for responding! I absolutely love with what you did for AWNB, it absolutely does sound more polished and put together, and I agree that it certainly needs a few more people to make it work right. Considering there's just you and me right now, I'm not even sure that's enough to do it justice. I think I'd like to hold off on bringing it, wait until we have some more contributors who can put in a little time and split all of the tasks up into smaller pieces. Do you have time to contribute one or two news stories a day, as they trickle in? If not, that's okay, I just didn't want to be the only voice that dominated the articles.

 * As for the iTunes feed and hosting, was there a reason for switching from the feed that was set up on Wikimedia Commons to Podbean? We should be able to just provide that link to iTunes and not have to worry about any bandwidth or file restrictions. If for some reason we can't do that, then I do have a dedicated server that has no restrictions that we can host everything on, it's been around for 8 years and isn't going anyplace. -- kamnet (talk) 06:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, Apple only allows .mp3 files for podcasts and wikimedia only uses .ogg files. We can't host an .mp3 file on a wikimedia site because .mp3 is not free and open source. It's a major sticking point for a lot of podcasters (ogg is a superior format and is native to Audacity, which is also free and used by most non professional podcasters) so it means we have to go outside the foundation to host an mp3 file.

 * As for contributing again I'm still a bit leery of jumping back in. The time commitment can be pretty large even for just a couple of stories. In my time doing the show there were a few issues that cropped up pretty regularly (and one that cropped up with every story). First of all it's not uncommon for two stories to go live that are about pretty much the same topic. IIRC, there were quite a few "double" stories dealing with slightly different issues concerning the BP oil spill. What this meant was that the stories had to be stitched together (pretty much a full re-write) as it would have been silly to read them both as they had about 75% the same content.

 * The other issue, and the one that every story has to one degree or another, is narrative flow. See a printed article reads like an inverted pyramid - meaning that the lead (the most important information) is at the top in the first paragraph and sentence. This doesn't always work for broadcasting as well as it does in print. There needs to be a bit of a tease to every story to keep the listener listening by not giving all the best information right at the very beginning of each story - stories should lead to a sort of "climax" no more than about 1/3 of the way in. Think of when you listen to, say, NPR news and they say something like "And here's John Broadcaster with an interesting story from China". The broadcaster then begins their story, not with the lead, but an introduction that leads to the main headline.

 * Now what I described above isn't necessary for every story. Major headlines (bombings, plane crashes, major disasters - pretty much anything with a death toll) gets the headline out of the way right at the top just like a printed article. The trick with those is that you have to keep feeding out the information in a good narrative to maintain that level of listener interest all the way through.

 * So, why I do I bring all this up? Well written stories do not read well out loud. I listened to a few of your spoken wikinews articles (great job, by the way) and I'm sure you also noticed that they just don't read well (they flow badly). There is often awkward wording, interview quotes don't have a good segue in or out of them, paragraphs don't flow well into each other and a myriad of other things I'm sure you were aware of when you read them. Now this is not a fault of the writer (or the reader), in fact, just the opposite because the writers are doing exactly what they need to do with a printed article. However, we, as broadcasters, have to rewrite every single article (some more than others) so that they sound right and read well. And this is very tricky to do because you have to maintain a NPOV, you can't change "facts" and you can't add in additional reporting (usually, though if an article has a wikipedia link in it, I would add the definition of the word or noun into the broadcast since listeners can't follow a verbal hyperlink). All that work takes a lot of time. If you go through all my scripts and compare what I broadcast against the actual story, you'll see that 9 times out of 10 major adjustments were made to the stories to make them work as spoken pieces.

 * This is why I am hesitant; these stories take a lot of time each and I really would only want to get back into being active again if there was a real, honest to goodness team of at least around 5 people. If you see on the AWN homepage, you'll notice I outlined my ideas for how a team should be structured - Producer, Readers and Writers (as well as alternates). This frees everyone up to focus on what they do best and spreads the pain around so no one person is getting the full brunt of the workload. In my opinion, the writing (re-writing and re-writing) takes the longest, followed by the reading (and re-reading and more re-reading) and finally the producer puts the show together and does all the housekeeping. But even with 2 people, it's still a ton of work.

 * I hope I don't sound too discouraging and I apologize for the huge encyclopedia I wrote here, but it's all relevant to putting on a first rate show. To make it sound effortless, there is a TON of work that goes on for every story and it can take one person 3-4 hours per day (add in another 4 for those extra history segments (6-8 hours every day total) and you can see why I stopped). However, I am interested in possibly jumping back in if we can get a team together and are desiring to abide by a certain structure and format and especially level of quality. Personally, I feel a weekly format is best and I think each person should also bring to the table an additional element to the show - I did the history thing and someone else can do a segment about something they want to do as well (you are into MMA, so maybe something along those lines?). This gives the listeners something more than just the dry, boring news. We live in a media saturated world and everyone (especially podcast listeners) already knows what the headlines are - OUR listeners want those out of the way stories (such as the Chile stories) but just like any other audience, they want something unique too. The show needs its own identity, a hook, something to draw an audience in and keep them coming back every episode. Maybe that's a place where we can start and maybe brainstorm some ideas? Turtlestack (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Regarding iTunes: I wasn't aware that they couldn't serve .ogg files. How unfortunate for them. Did the iTunes feed get a lot of activity? if it did then I can see it being worth reviving, but if it does not then I think it would be better to promote subscribing to the podcast feed from outside it. If we do want to go that route again, it would be trivial for anybody using audacity to save as both .ogg and .mp3, and to upload the .mp3 files to a separate server. -- kamnet (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Oddly enough, this month will be the second month in a row where the feel will have exceeded its bandwidth. I have no idea who is downloading the 4 shows that are still up (the space limitations only allow up to 100MB so that's usually just 4-5 shows) and I have no idea why they are even being downloaded - there are no comments, I've never received a comment on the blog, my twitter, on the internet archive page or anything - it's just ... weird. Someone (a lot of someone's actually) is listening, but I have no idea who. The feed could, of course, be updated, but it would require me probably having to pay for it. In fact the best way to go would be to move the hosting to http://libsyn.com/, pay the $20/mo (and maybe register a domain name). That would allow for infinite archive space and bandwidth as well as 400MB per month of new uploads (enough for a 5 day per week schedule). Turtlestack (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * If you'd like, then, I can set up an account on my dedicated server, no cost and no bandwidth restrictions (well, almost none. Currently we use about 450GB of a 1500GB limit). If you're comfortable with editing a basic RSS feed file (very easy to do, I edit by hand these days, but I used to use a program called FeedForAll) and uploading via FTP, then very quick and easy to do. If not, then I can look for a podcast management system to help with it all. -- kamnet (talk) 01:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * That could be a very good option. I think we still need to think about what sort of show to do. I'm very much in favor of a once a week format for the time being (but that could be expanded with more volunteers). I've racked my brains about what would make for the best show and I've always come back to the idea that it should be more than a wikinews show but instead a wikimedia show which highlights everything wikimedia. For example items could include information from the wimikedia blog, goings on at wikipedia, and even a lead in at the very top of every episode reading a quote of the day from wikiquote. News from wikinews would of course be included and all original content would be made from all things wiki (news, TDiH, quotes, music, etc) and CC compliant sources (such as where I always got my music from - internet archive, royalty free music, freesounds, etc.). Highlighting the benefits of all things open source, user collaborative and free as the focus of a show is, in my opinion, much more interesting than just another news show. What do you think? Turtlestack (talk) 06:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I honestly don't have any interest in any other WMF projects other than Wikinews. I occasionally make an edit to Wikipedia (and have had more things reverted and deleted out of pure malice and jealousy than should be allowed), I make uploads to WC when necessary, but that's it. I don't think anybody else is really interested, either. After all, the top headline on the Wikizine blog is, "Wikizine totally failed at informing you about Wikimedia news last year." Postings fell from 60 in 2006 to just ONE last year. If you're passionate about it, go for it, but as far as I can tell nobody else is. :-( -- kamnet (talk) 11:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * You are correct. The wikimedia foundation is nothing if not incredibly boring and lacking in interest from volunteers outside of wikipedia. In fact, I've consistently been impressed that wikinews has managed to remain active for as long as it has with such a small user base. That's serious dedication right there. Anyway, you point out the wall I kept hitting when doing the show - that is, can the show reach an audience beyond the borders of just wikinews volunteers? That's why I was always racking my brains to add in some extra content to give the show a unique identity and make it worth listening to for the average person. Even as much as I tried experimenting with format and editing and such, I never could shake the feeling that it was, after all, just a show that reads the headlines and how is that going to be of interest when anyone with a computer already knows what has happened in the news? However, to be fair, that very well have been due to my own shortcomings. I very well may have not been the right person to make the show a success outside of the project. Hopefully you will be able to steer the ship in a new, better direction and make the show a success.Turtlestack (talk) 21:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I feel that the lack of stability and lack of volunteers for this project is what has hampered it from going any further. We make good efforts at doing it several months in a row, but nobody (as of yet) has the capability of gutting it out for the long haul. When working in the early years with my own podcasting efforts on AngryMarks, this is a problem that we faced (and still do, to some degree). The project was pleasant enough, however, that many of us continued on. It took almost three years before we saw any significant increase in our listenership, and that then translated into more people wanting to contribute. Eventually we went from just only one show, to two, and now we have ten podcasts that we manage and distribute with fifteen contributors, most of whom can take any or all of the workload at any given time. So, as boring as it is, that's why I want to start back with Spoken Wikinews first. Just reading dry news isn't sexy, but it is easy, and it allows an individual to build confidence in themselves. If they reach a point where they want more challenge, that's when AWN becomes more attractive. They can take what they've been doing, and do more, give it oomph, give it a personality, and put some creative effort into it. -- kamnet (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Brian McNeil had been looking into getting the AWNB some attention with an internet radio station that provides spoken content to the blind. I feel that what you are currently doing with the spoken articles would fit that project even better than the entire show I had been doing. Making the articles here accessible to the visually impaired not only gives the volunteers a sense of purpose but it provides an excellent service too. Diego Grez also mentioned that hearing the articles spoken in native English was very helpful for him to better his English (which is already fantastic) so maybe looking into an educational service that helps people with at least some English experience improve their language skills could be another opportunity. The added benefit that it's news articles also helps with cultural nuance that non English speakers may not be able to pick up any other way. Turtlestack (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Regarding Spoken Wikinews: I realize that the Audio Wikinews Briefs do take a lot of effort to make it into a polished product. We don't have the people to do that right now. This is why I'd like to focus on getting the Spoken Wikinews portion back up first. This is the easiest because the recordings are meant to be verbatim. Unless the article is poorly written, there should not be any need to do much, if any, editing. And if they are poorly written, then our editors and reviewers should be rapped on the knuckles for letting such poor quality material through. I want to inspire people to get into the routine of reviewing the story, recording it, uploading it and editing the necessary pages. The more people who can participate in those few, easy steps, the easier it will be to build up a team which can take on the bigger task of making a quality AWNB. -- kamnet (talk) 12:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I never considered any of the articles to be poorly written, it's just that they are structured as printed articles and not as scripts for recording and so there are some style differences.

 * For example, in the most recent spoken article you did, Australian town to change name to promote road safety, the beginning of the second paragraph is written :

 * "The idea was created by the Transport Accident Commission (TAC). A campaign was launched on the social networking website Facebook, saying that if 10,000 'liked' the campaign page, the name of the town - which has a population of 45 - would be changed. 'Rename Speed' has now gone on to achieve over 33,000 likes."

 * That first sentence is fine in print (well, sorta), but it's just shotgun information and doesn't lead well into the rest of the paragraph. It could read better (especially out loud) as:

 * "The idea, created by the State of Victoria's Transport Accident Commission, began when a campaign titled 'Rename Speed' was launched on the social networking website Facebook. The goal was that if 10,000 'liked' the campaign page (the Facebook equivalent of voting in favor of an idea), the name of the town would be changed. 'Rename Speed' has now gone on to achieve over 33,000 likes even though the town only has a popular of just 45 residents."

 * Granted, that single change took only about 5 min of my time, but carry that over 6-10 full articles per day and you can see where the time adds up. Now I never went into the actual articles and changed the wordings because, well, I was never really comfortable doing so. I know I could have, I suppose, but I would feel like I was imposing too much of my personal preference and editing style on every single article here. I felt much more comfortable just writing the scripts and leaving it at that. Also, the articles do tend to change and so a spoken recording of them does not always represent the latest, best version of the story. That's why I never bothered with spoken articles and just stuck to the full broadcast since the AWNB was more a record of the daily news and if listeners wanted updated versions of the story then they could visit wikinews and even possibly contribute (or donate).

 * It's funny, but now that I've been talking to you, I really ave the itch to start doing the show again :) Turtlestack (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I think your change would have been quite fine for an article. Since Wikinews articles are collaboration projects rather than the stylings of any one author, anything which is done to improve an article is most certainly welcome. Beautiful English is just beautiful English. I agree that if it's taking you 5-10 minutes to re-write an article so that it sounds better when you read it, it is a lot of work to do. That's also why I'm encouraging people to just work on one or two articles. If it becomes burdensome work, nobody wants to do it, but if everybody can just dedicate themselves to one or two articles, that's not such a big task. -- kamnet (talk) 01:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * That would be ideal. One thing that always stuck with me all through school and beyond was that you should always read your work out loud before you turn in a final copy. It's amazing how much it can improve ones writing. Turtlestack (talk) 06:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Doing so is very natural to me, I've done it all my life. I pretty much think as I speak, I've constantly got voices going on in my head, which, despite other people's misgivings, my psychiatrist says is perfectly normal and not harmful to any of my interactions with the outside world. -- kamnet (talk) 11:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Okay, I'll drop xyr a line to see if xe will talk with you about how it works, etc. -  Amgine | t 03:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Peer reviews
I noticed that you published a whole lot of articles last night. I'm impressed by the massive feat; but I noticed most (not sure if all) of them were published with no other edits to them at all. A number of the authors involved are definitely still learning — there are various weaknesses in their Wikinews writing that they should work on strengthening — and since they can't see the humongous effort that takes place behind the scenes of a peer review, they're likely to get complacent if they get what looks from "above the surface" like a rubber stamp. I know there was some low-hanging fruit around, like (they'd used no local links at all, not even the obvious one for the Taliban, and had no categories at all, not even one major subject like Crime and law, nor Category:Taliban, nor the parent category of the country that had been added automatically by the infobox!); I'd just remind you that as peer reviewers, we're not only responsible for the legalities —protecting ourselves and the authors from being sued— and the reputation of the project, but, as if that weren't enough, we're also trying to help the authors grow and improve as news writers! --Pi zero (talk) 12:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

 * DOH! You are right, I didn't even look for categories or other wikifying. To be honest, I was even out-of-step with that myself until somebody urged me to do so on my own article I submitted. I shall endeavor to be more responsible next time. :-) I've just noticed lately that a lot of people have been in the mood of "I don't have time to review" and articles becoming outdated because of a lack of review. I was in a good mood to review. -- kamnet (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it was good to see. I can't resent people for not reviewing; it is a massive effort, and I myself rarely have the simultaneous time, will, and mental acuity needed for it (the will and, sort of, time typically come together for me when it's about 1am local, rather sabotaging the acuity :-) —and we're a volunteer project, after all— but since we've been shorthanded lately, it's especially welcome when we've got a big backlog on the queue and someone does find xyrself with the combination of factors needed.

 * For my own difficulty with things slipping my mind, I use the tips checklist (which I admit to some self-frustration over, because I should have found a way to whip it into a shape that the community would embrace more). --14:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Would it be possible to get a pull-down menu for the Topic and Country categories so that there's a visual cue to add those to the article? -- kamnet (talk) 14:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Interesting idea, very. Possibly something can be arranged using Special:CategoryTree, which could be both versatile and robust. --Pi zero (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Egyptian man names daughter 'Facebook'
Hey, I liked the recording you made of 38 killed in attack on Afghani bank and I was wondering if you'd do another one for Egyptian man names daughter 'Facebook'? --Ashershow1talk 17:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wondering the same for 2011 'Pichileminian Week' ends; I can help you with the pronunciations if you like :P Diego Grez return fire 17:55, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I was actually waiting to see if anybody else wanted to record them, I didn't want to be accused of hogging all the cool and easy ones! Or, if either of you are able to record audio, I'd like to see others try. I can edit to clean up any sound as long as you can smoothly read it. -- kamnet (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to do an audio recording of some articles, but I'm 15 years old and I'm concerned that the professional quality of AW would be compromised if a teenager started doing recordings of articles. That being said, I do have a fairly deep voice so it might be ok.  Let me know what you think and be completely honest; I have no problem being told I'm too young for something :). --Ashershow1talk 00:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

 * There is no such thing as too young. As long as you can speak English smooth and clearly, that is the most important thing. If you'd like, take a look at the the guidelines and give it a try. Like I said, if you have problems making the audio sound acceptable, I can help fix that. -- kamnet (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I've recorded an audio version of Eleven children injured in Scottish school shooting; two teenagers detained, but I seem to be having trouble with the .ogg file type. Audacity automatically saved it as a .aup and exporting it to Ogg Vorbis doesn't do anything.  Any thoughts? --Ashershow1talk 03:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Export should first bring up a form where you fill in the metadata for the file (I should upload the template I use). After that it will ask you where you want to save the file, and what name, and select the file format. If you've entered a file name, selected Ogg as the format, and click save, then it should save it to the directory you selected. The default compression setting is 5, so you shouldn't need to mess with that. If you still can't get it to work right, feel free to e-mail me the file at kamnet+wn@gmail.com. -- kamnet (talk) 04:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Sending some people your way
I've been in touch with Dennis Michael - he's the guy who did CNN’s “Hollywood Minute” for 18 years and now has been doing his own broadcasting project over at SoundCloud. He's been looking to make his project part of something bigger and so I told him to get in touch with you if he's interested. You may want to contact him yourself too at his website if that sounds like something you may be interested in working with him on. He's very talented, motivated and funny and has decades of professional broadcasting experiences so at the very least he could be a great resource to help make the Audio Wikinews project (or your own projects) even better. Turtlestack (talk) 18:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

privs
'''Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.'''
 * Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use.

 * Point 4 of the Privilege expiry policy provides for fast-tracking reacquisition of privileges. We all understand that real-life commitments can severely curtail the level of commitment you can give to Wikinews; the privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.

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Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy

September 16, 2008

, a major American, has filed paperwork for. It would be the largest collapse of an investment firm in 18 years.

Lehman attempted to find a buyer over the weekend but it met with no success. The last remaining bidder, bank pulled out Sunday afternoon. Barclays, a United Kingdom-based bank, had become the sole bidder after a consortium led by pulled out early Sunday morning citing that it would need government support before considering a bid. The support would consist of backing bad debts owed by Lehman. Barclays cited a similar reason for withdrawing its bid.

As of Monday morning, no buyer has come through to take control of the firm. As a result, the firm filed for.

The main sticking point for potential buyers appears to be the unwillingness for the U.S. government to provide financial support. ,, has repeatedly said that no government money will be given to Lehman or used in any takeover the firm. Government money was used in the takeover of by  in March of this year. Bear Stearns suffered similar problems as Lehman.

A spokesmen for Barclays told the Financial Times, "the proposed transaction required a guarantee for the trading operations of Lehman Brothers that was potentially open-ended, and we were not willing to provide that guarantee."

Paulson, along with other government officials, proposed a solution that Lehman would get split into two separate entities. However, this proposal has been discarded by many of banks.

Members of the have reportedly been keep abreast of the situation by U.S. government.

The firm, which has over 25,000 staffers, has suffered bad results due to the.

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Despite threats, "Alaska Women Reject Palin" rally held

September 15, 2008

, Alaska — A group calling itself "Alaska Women Reject Palin" held an anti-Sarah Palin rally Saturday, despite receiving threatening phone calls last week. Palin is the vice presidential candidate, running with John McCain, on the Republican ticket in the American presidential election to be held on Nov. 4.

On Wednesday, the group sent a press release to the local media about the rally. The press release, a copy of which was obtained by Wikinews, says that Alaska Women Reject Palin is a group "who challenge the claim that Palin's value systems and ideals reflect all women and middle-class American families, and who urge voters to scrutinize Palin's politics, and decide for themselves if hers is the example by which they and their families want to live."

"The whole thing grew out of frustration," Charla Sterne, one of Alaska Women Reject Palin's group members and an organizer of the rally, told . "Last week this was just ten women sitting around talking about this perception that all of Alaska supports Sarah Palin. We apparently hit a nerve and started a movement."

Eddie Burke, a talk radio host, broadcast the names and contact information of two of the group's members on the air.

"They're a bunch of socialist maggots, that's what I'm going to call them — socialist maggots, that's what they are, a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots," Burke said on his radio show, according to local television news station 2.

Burke says he's conservative and a "Palinista," but on Thursday he admitted to KTUU news that he "... was probably a little over the top."

According to KTUU, Burke encouraged his listeners to call the two organizers listed in the press release.

Burke called the document public, but one organizer objected to the release of information on ethical grounds.

"I was honestly shocked because I couldn't believe that a member of the media would take information that I think is pretty standard in a press release and use it for what seems like pretty unethical purposes, for one thing," an organizer told KTUU.

The organizer's name was not released by KTUU, and her image was distorted on television broadcasts.

KTUU broadcast part of one message sent to an organizer, "You liberals need to get a life. What is wrong with you? You think you speak for everybody? You don't speak for nobody but your individual, stupid selves."

published portions of three messages, including the one broadcast by KTUU.

"[a]nd don't go around and tell people that you are standing up for all the women of Alaska," one woman said, "that's not right. ... "

"I just heard on Eddie Burke about you," another woman said, "you people are disgusting, how can you call yourself a woman."

Both organizers said their voice mail systems were "full of messages."

"We were bombarded with all kinds of hateful, abusive, intimidating phone calls," organizer Sterne told the . It not clear if Sterne is the same woman interviewed by KTUU, but Alaska Public Radio said that Sterne considered not attending the rally, but decided to go through with it.

According to KTUU, the two organizers contacted police, and were told that they could file an alleged-harassment report, but as of Thursday, had not done so. KTUU cites Anchorage Police Department Lt. Paul Honeman as saying that Burke's on-air encouragement instigated the harassment. As of Thursday, Burke has not been punished in any way.

The rallies
According to the Anchorage Daily News, word of the rally spread via the internet and as many as 1500 people attended, both for and against Palin.

The rally started just hours after Palin spoke in downtown Anchorage's, to a crowd estimated between 1000 and 1500. The event was dubbed "Welcome Home Sarah."

"Alaska, I'll be doing it for you," Palin said. "Going forth in these days ahead, Alaska, I pledge to do my level best and to be worthy of the confidence this beautiful state has put in me." Angie Doroff, a rally organizer said she "pleased and surprised" at the turnout.

"We're not alone. A lot of people are worried about the nomination of Sarah Palin," Doroff told the Associated Press.

Comments about Palin at the second rally were mainly negative, but views differed among those gathered in support of Palin.

"Sarah Palin frightens the hell out of me. I don't want her anywhere near the White House," Marybeth Holleman of Anchorage told the Anchorage Daily News.

According to the Anchorage Daily News, supporters of Palin cite the good she has done as Governor of Alaska, including a check all Alaskans received from the state.

"I'll bet on the other side none of those people are going to reject that and send it back," Rick Case said of the $1,200 check.

Alison Till, a geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, criticized Palin on what Till called her lack of reliance on "solid and unbiased science" when making decision about energy, global warming, the teaching of creationism in public schools and her refusal to put polar bears on the list of endangered species.

"She is unqualified," Till told the Anchorage Daily News.

At the Palin rally, views were different.

"I'm all in for Sarah," Tracy Jones told the Anchorage Daily News. "This is really exciting. I watched this town go from crayons to perfume. I think it's fresh, exciting, and I'm really proud of her."

"This is a historic moment," 84-year-old first-time political-rally-attendee Pauline Kee said. "This is the most important day for Sarah and the state."

Wikinews has sent an e-mail to Burke, but as of midnight Sunday, he has not responded.


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OR Notes
As of you yet, not actual OR, but I have sent an e-mail to about image licensing of images of the rally. —Calebrw (talk) 21:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Permission received, awaiting OTRS verification. —Calebrw (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Press Release content

 * I am the contact for a grassroots group called “Alaska Women Reject Palin” who challenge the claim that Palin’s value systems and ideals reflect all women and middle-class American families, and who urge voters to scrutinize Palin’s politics, and decide for themselves if hers is the example by which they and their families want to live. We are hosting a “Reject Palin” rally to put the media and both campaigns on notice that Alaska’s women (all women for that matter) are a diverse and intelligent group that will be voting in November on substance not on gender or stereotype, no matter how fascinating. The non-partisan Alaska Women Reject Palin rally is scheduled for Saturday, September 13, 2008, at noon (Alaska time) on the Loussac Library lawn at 36th and Denali in Anchorage. We invite other women’s groups across the nation to join us in their home towns at noon Alaska time on Saturday September 13 in letting McCain and Palin know that Sarah Palin does not speak for us.

 * At issue are Palin’s stances on many issues that we feel will be a setback for the very people she is purported to represent. Palin opposed or has failed to show support for many issues that are important to most women and families. She opposes women’s right to reproductive choice. She believes public schools should teach creationism and supports abstinence-only sex education. She has now aligned herself with McCain who has voted to increase abstinence-only funding, voted to terminate the federal family planning program and voted against funding teen pregnancy prevention programs. She is skeptical of climate change and opposes listing the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, misrepresenting the findings of the State of Alaska’s own leading marine mammal biologists. She considers the war in Iraq a “task from God”. In Alaska, Palin cut funding for special needs children by 62% yet claims to be a special needs advocate. As Mayor of Wasilla, Palin required victims of sexual assault to pay for their own rape kits, a decision that ran contrary to that of then Governor Tony Knowles, other communities in Alaska , and existing legislation. As Governor, she pushed to allow citizens to shoot wolves from the air and supported looser bear hunting regulations that authorized killing black bear females with cubs, both aimed to inflate moose and caribou numbers which draw big game hunters to the state, and both misguided and proven not to work wildlife management techniques. She used $400,000 of taxpayer money to educate Alaskans about predator control. Her administration offered $150 per killed wolf, a policy ruled to be an illegal bounty by Alaska courts. Palin has aligned herself with a candidate who voted against the family and medical leave act, making it harder for women and men to take time from work to care for loved ones, and who opposed spending to prevent unintended and teen pregnancies, and she has gone on record supporting McCain’s opposition of legislation for equal pay for women.

 * We are non-partisan, and although we are largely focusing on women’s and family issues, we claim average Alaskan women and men among our supporters.

For future reference in the story. —Calebrw (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Used. —Calebrw (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

E-mails
Sent to Eddie Burke. —Calebrw (talk) 00:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Email sent to a blogger who covered both rallies. —Calebrw (talk) 04:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

$1200 check
I suspect the "$1200 check" is the one-time Alaska Resource Rebate from the Alaska Permanent Fund. --Killing Vector (talk) 04:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Per IRC, I believe so, but I can't confirm based on sources used in the article. —Calebrw (talk) 04:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Review
good for them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.88.117 (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I note that the images originally illustrating this article were deleted for lack of permission, but a free licened relevent image is on Commons: File:Anti Sarah Palin rally Alaska.jpg. Infrogmation (talk) 11:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


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Bank of America attempts takeover of Merrill Lynch

September 15, 2008 Bank of America (BoA) is attempting a takeover of Merrill Lynch, which, if successful, would combine two of the largest banks in the world. BoA would buy Merrill Lynch for around $44 billion in stock. BoA, the largest bank in the United States, has been looking for a major acquisition for the last few months. The bank was seen as a possible buyer of Lehman Bothers before it pulled out, citing lack of financial support by the U.S. government, and possible shareholder problems.

Merrill's CEO John Thain is believed to have initiated the discussion with Kenneth Lewis, BoA’s chief executive. It is believe that Merrill has been suffering major problems with a lack of cash on hand to operate its business. According to The New York Times, Thain believes that unless it can secure a deal with another bank, then it could possible face a collapse. Thain also believes that the U.S. government would not step in to stop such a collapse, as with the current situation with Lehman Brothers.

BoA would buy Merrill at $29 a share. On Friday, Merill stock price closed at $17.05.

Merrill Lynch has suffered a massive drop in its share price over the last year, down 68 percent due to subprime mortgage crisis. Merrill had over $10 billion pumped into the bank in December 2007 and January 2008 by sovereign wealth funds.


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Decade worth of messages, interviews from bin Laden leaked to web

September 15, 2008 Ten years of messages and interviews with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden have been leaked. Translated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the documents were posted on a blog Friday.

Posted to Secrecy News blog on September 12, and copied to similar sites including Wikileaks.org, the ten years of messages span from 1994-2004. The packet, issued in 2004, is nearly 300 pages, and labeled "official use only". It was translated by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), a division of the CIA, and includes interviews with bin Laden from various news agencies and also includes messages he sent directly to the United States.

One message includes bin Laden's denial of having anything to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania.

"Following the latest explosions in the United States, some Americans are pointing the finger at me, but I deny that because I have not done it. The United States has always accused me of these incidents which have been caused by its enemies. Reiterating once again, I say that I have not done it, and the perpetrators have carried this out because of their own interest," said bin Laden on September 16, 2001, just five days after the attacks. Bin Laden also states that he was living in Afghanistan at the time of the attacks and that "I have held talks with His Eminence Amir ol-Momenin [Taleban leader Mola Mohammad Omar Mojahed], who does not allow such acts to be carried out from Afghanistan's territory." Again on September 28, 2001 in an interview with Karachi Ummat, bin Laden denies any involvement with the attacks and further denied that al-Qaeda had anything to do with plotting and carrying out the attacks.

However, in May, just four months prior to the September 11 attacks, bin Laden reportedly says that if the Taliban allows him, he can make life for Americans very difficult.

"If the Taleban allowed, [I] could make life miserable for the United States. The United States [is] imposing unjust sanctions on Muslims. Imposing such sanctions and boasting of power [is] a US hobby. The U.S. will fall to pieces," stated bin Laden which was quoted by ANN on May 17, 2001. Five years before, bin Laden declared a "jihad" on the U.S..

In April of 2002, the television station London MBC said it obtained a video reportedly showing bin Laden and an al-Qaeda spokesman praising the 9/11 attacks. It also allegedly showed, for the first time, images of some of the members of al-Qaeda responsible for hijacking the aircraft used in the attacks.

Bin Laden also blames the U.S. for the bombings in China in 1997 saying that the U.S. was trying "to sabotage relations between China and the Muslim world through the CIA." He then goes on to say that he would "promise" to bring "action in the understanding between Pakistan, Iran and China."

The current whereabouts of bin Laden are not known.


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User:Kamnet

My name is Kevin Fields, I was born and raised in Indianapolis, IN from 1976 until my departure in 1997, where I moved to Mt. Sterling, KY with my wife and children to start a new life for ourselves. I'm a born-again non-denominational charismatic Christian, my political leanings are slightly to the right, and I have a wide range of eclectic interests.

What do I do for work, you say? I host some websites, build some websites, and take photos and video of sports and sports entertainment events as a freelancer. All of this is a basis for some of my larger work, which is co-editor of AngryMarks.com, a pro wrestling & MMA news site. Since 2006 we started podcasting, and today the AngryMarks Podcast Network is one of the largest sources of original programming for pro wrestling & MMA podcasts and live streams.

Which leads me to why I am here. In 2008 was looking into the possibility of starting a new show, which lead to an opportunity to basically lay out the entire programming for an online radio station. Wanting to add some more variety to it, I was hoping of finding a way to add some daily newscasts. That search lead me here, where I found the Audio Wikinews project, which always needs more volunteers. I'm up for that challenge, and since the radio station idea is now dead, I've got some time to devote here to make a few recordings every day and contribute to a bigger cause. Perhaps it will get me a job at a real radio station some day, or maybe I'll be the next Don LaFontaine. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? ;-)

If you would like to have an audio transcript of a Wikinews or Wikipedia article I am more than happy to do so voluntarily. The transcript will be uploaded to Commons and licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License. I do try to provide audio transcripts for as many Wikinews articles as time allows. If I miss one, however, and you would like one to be made, please leave a signed note on my talk page with a link to the article you would like recorded.

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authenticated?
Was it really authenticated by the CIA? I don't think that is really the case. If it is, then that means that every single quotation is completely accurate according to the CIA. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * IF the organization that translated it, and published the report is plastered with the title, and is also a department of the CIA I can say that the CIA authenticated the messages etc. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. It appears that they just took the full text of the foreign language news and translated it. The FBIS doesn't appear to employ analysis or have any means to check the validity of the news. Essentially, FBIS is the BBC Monitoring service for the U.S. FBIS reports are generally available to other departments within the government. So, I really don't think saying the CIA authenticated it is true. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 00:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is material in the document that the CIA is unsure of, such as the Rose al-Yusuf interview in 1996 which the CIA document says "allegedly took place in London." That is clearly dubious, as are contents of that interview, including Bin Laden saying he was residing in Turkey at the time when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.  This document is just a compilation of material, but has not been factchecked or authenticated. Aude (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If this is all translations of articles and interviews and messages that were translated by the CIA (but not intercepted or conducted by the CIA), then we are not talking about a "leak" per se. It would then just be CIA translations of stuff that was already publicly available. As far as authenticity a letterhead on a digital document doesn't prove anything. --SVTCobra 17:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

copyright
Within this leaked document is a disclaimer:

 * THIS REPORT MAY CONTAIN COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL
 * COPYING AND DISSEMINATION IS PROHIBITED
 * WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE COPYRIGHT OWNERS.

If it contains copyright violations, should Wikinews link to it? Tough question probably better dealt with at Water cooler, but I am more interested in what is actually copyright. In the United States, Osama's words are not covered by copyright, and if the translations were done by a US Govt employee, their translation is not either. In order to help investigate this, I have set up a transcription project on Wikisource, with only the table of contents online at present. See here

 * s:Index:FBIS Report - Compilation of Usama Bin Ladin Statements 1994-2004.djvu

We need to type up those pages, and then look very closely at each to determine its copyright status. I will then upload a new version with only the copyright elements redacted, unless some enterprising person can put together a convincing argument that it is illegal to distribute this due to some reason other that copyright. John Vandenberg (talk) 09:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Linking is not a copyright violation. Only those with an interest in suppressing knowledge will tell you otherwise and make vague non-applicable threats about "facilitating copyright violation". --Brian McNeil / talk 09:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Linking to addresses that carry material illegal in the applicable jurisdiction is usually frowned upon on WMF sites. I am not aiming to have that enforced here, especially given the nature of Wikinews, however it is a slippery slope that it would be nice to have a policy about in order to ensure those links were necessary for the article.  i.e. linking to an illegal copy of a book should be prohibited, as it encourages the violation of copyright.  Just food for thought - over on Wikisource we are trying to bring as much as this document to the public domain as possible, legally or at least with a reasonable degree of certainty.  see s:Wikisource:Scriptorium. John Vandenberg (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikileaks
Aren't they just a mirror of the content? If the article that I read (and changed) is correct, they only took content from the Secrecy News people. Correct? Even Wikileaks reads "Identical to the document released by Steven Aftergood from Secrecy News on Sept 12."

So why does Wikileaks get mentioned at all? I appreciate their cleaner layout and ad-lessness, but big whip. If I mirror the documents, can I be in the title? -- Zanimum (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Because it was the first place I saw it. didn't see that last part and had no reason to loook elsewhere. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 14:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I fracking love Wikileaks. Thunderhead 17:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay, that's fine. I didn't realise the content was added by two users. --  Zanimum (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Slashdot
We made it again! I think this is the second or third time in 2 weeks. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 14:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC) This article seems to have peaked with 2,932 hits per hour between 13:00 and 14:00 UTC; unfortunately, no data were available yesterday, so I "manually" had a look into some hourly logs: ... > 214 > 1,210 > 2,035 > 1,612 > 1,473 > 1,364 > 2,088 > 2,918 > 2,932 > 2,500 > 2,028 > 2,130 > 1,780 > 1,425 > ... --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very nice, (944 hits last hour; summed up; incl. redirects} according to Template:Popular_articles. Makes my story Despite threats, "Alaska Women Reject Palin" rally held seem kind of lame. Only 130 hits last hour. —Calebrw (talk) 23:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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Bombing in China ??
fas.com also states - "There were no incidents of international terrorism in China in 1997" http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_97/asia.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudiedude (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree this is an issue. The article says "Bin Laden also blames the U.S. for the bombings in China in 1997". We need to identify what bombings these are, or if they occurred at all. --SVTCobra 22:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I think Bin Laden is referring to the Uygurs separatists and their bombing campaign in China, but as far I as i can tell, there is no evidence of any connection between Al Qaida and the Uygurs. Probably OBL is just taking credit for something he had nothing to do with. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 02:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Judging by the quote given, it could also mean that he is blaming the US(CIA) for the bombing, perhaps telling people that we did it to blame on the others... not necessarily having to do with Al Qaida in that instance. --70.187.38.47 02:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, but what bombing exactly? --SVTCobra 02:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Editprotected request
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The "is" in the last sentence should be changed to "are". 128.232.247.55 22:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ Thanks for pointing this out. tempo divalse  22:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Remark
At the end it says Bin Ladens whereabouts are unknown, when he has been dead for about a year. Charlie22712 (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Yes. A news article is a snapshot in time, showing what the world looked like at the time of its publication.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


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whats the deal with this article will it be published? --72.73.73.199 00:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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Libertarian National Committee in fierce deadlock over how to address growing Bob Barr controversies

September 15, 2008

The (LNC) was reported to be in a deadlock Sunday night over how to address the growing controversies surrounding their party's U.S. presidential nominee, former.

Many libertarians have spoken out against Barr since his last minute refusal to attend former presidential hopeful 's third party unity conference at the  in  on Wednesday.

The effort to replace Barr as the nominee has been rejected. Not a single person on the 17-member LNC was willing to make the motion.

However, at-large representative — who lost the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination to Barr at the  in May by only a few votes — is supporting a resolution to apologize to Paul.

This is being countered by Treasurer Aaron Starr, who favors a resolution to chastise Paul for not endorsing Bob Barr and “splitting the Freedom Movement.”

Currently, neither resolution has enough votes to pass.


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No
The purpose of third parties is to provide a voice for those whose points-of-view are not adequately described by the party platforms of the Democrats or Republicans. As such, the recent nomination of a former Republican to the Libertarian party and a former Democrat to the Green Party has badly damaged each party, and third parties in general. This move, especially in the two third parties that enjoy the highest visibility of all US third parties, has reduced the role of federal third parties to something like the minor parties in New York State, which rarely if ever nominate someone who is not the current nominee of either of the two major parties. Ron Paul seems to be the reverse of this trend, in that he has always retained a libertarian platform despite the GOP's almost total abandonment of Libertarian ideology.

Bob Barr's rejection of Ron Paul's unified third party front,which could be seen as a 'none-of-the-above' ticket ala Brewster's Millions, is a slap directed at the idea that there is a third or even fourth point of view that holds any legitimacy. Therefore, he has weakened third parties in general and his own party in particular, for no real gain. There is no positive outcome that could justify this sacrifice of legitimacy.

Please note that I am not a Libertarian myself, although I do find their arguments stimulating and enjoyable when they arise in political discussions. I would have made the same commentary of any party candidate that mirrored my own views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rain City Blues (talk • contribs) 04:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy

The current situation should be largely attributed to Dick Fuld's "cling on" approach. He turned down many acquisition attempt on the perceived lack of proper value being offerred. I don't know whether accepting a lesser value was better or the bankruptcy filing was better.

He should have seen this coming long back & should have exited the mortgage business long back. Instead they went on to acquire one more mortagage company. Absolute lack of foresight!!

Lehman Brothers needs to change to be productive investments:  only to build, and use the left-over assets  to build up and restore Americans break down cities. Lehman Brothers should make factories of manufacturing centers in America. Make the Closed Shopping Mall of Cities, into America Factories and ship America Merchandise all over the World. Make America Millennium clothes, Make American lumber, be builders. Get the American  Warrior Nobles out of the  Economy it is Destroying America.

War is a Reality, Truth, and Fact but keep War in it place, when War is needed not for the Profit Greedy War bank Accounts. Construct new Buildings and make a New Millennium America and Israel to survive. There are Severe Forces in the Global Market that want the American Dollar Money to Collapse to go to the Euro money. America would have an Horror Collapse total collapse in all things.

War is not an economy, Building is an Economy, War is needed only for a  Monster like Ghengis Khan  types Warrior. The War Market should never stop building, but it should be for the future, non-stop new technology and always keeping the old War Market items as a needed basis. American Business have to clean up their back yards. Lehman Brothers should rebuilt a new Trade Center and name it, 'Liberty Global  Trade Center' in  Ohio. Only Build a memorial in New York City  for the dead of 9/11/2001. (A respect memorial for the dead.) It is a very bad omen to build a Business  over the dead of that place of the Destroyed World Trade Center. The only place on Earth that respect Jewish founded investment firms are America and Israel. Lehman Brothers, should  get out of the profit making business in extremes. Lehman Brothers must build a Real Economy to   Focus Trade with Africa and stop trying to Control the Governments of Nations with their Races, Cultures, and Religions. Africa have diamonds, foods, an assortment of resources. America have a 1492 year History of Jewish Merchants that help make the economy of America with the aid of African Americans on Slave Ships coming to America, now it is time to Save America with honor and  respect of Africa in Real Business Economy in Trade of Material Wealth. Africa, America, and Israel can survive together in all things. The Boogie Man for America is Euro money.

Merchandise of African cloth, oil, cottons, and foods. Promote Prosperity for America, Israel and Africa in Respect with Reality Business. It is the only way America will survive. Trade, real jobs, economy for families with working factories. This severe Greed of Wealth of one person is Destroying America. Lehman Brothers need to make  investments in America first to secure jobs for Americans. Build America as an industry to keep the Dollar not destroy it.

The Royal Elite, Warrior Nobles, and Greedy Bankers of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East want to slice America, up like an American Apple pie. We know how it happen, Racial Wars in America, Culture  Wars in America, and Religion Ordeals in America and the Americans still trying to use the Confederate Flag as Old Glory, The Stars and Stripes Forever should never be replaced with the Destructive Past. Jewish Merchants must have respect to get their Act 3 together to make a good, better, and Best America for us all. Please Note: Lehman Brothers help make America, and American  Business should help them now in all things to downsize and remake a good, better, and Best Lehman brothers. Lehman Brothers should just downsize to seed money to save American workers. Lehman Brothers and other Jewish Merchants must have time to find their Souls they all lost to Greedy Profit Lust in a Self-Centered Millennium Economy of pure moneylust for severe luxury.

Note of memory for all America Business THE GREAT DEPRESSION IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA 1929, the Wealthy Business People were giving Dog Parties for their Pets sitting at the tables like they were persons, and people were losing homes to  foreclosed during the 1929 Collapse.

The Great Nations of America and Africa with Israel can trade together, this time in Material products and not human flesh  of Black  Slavery Bodies but material industry to be productive and have prosperity.

Lehman Brothers need help
I think the United States government should step in to help Lehman Brothers, as a collapse of a major Investment Banking Company will cripple the banking system around the world because of the Lehman Brothers' strong association and ties with major banks and clients. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is definitely the day that the world will remember, as stock prices around the world are going to plummet and cause a major economic meltdown. Lehman Brothers have a massive sphere of influence on other banks such as banks in Canada, South Korea, Japan, USA and China partially.

Lehman Brothers will survive due to the very fact that we cannot afford to a massive investment banking company in the massive turmoil that has been created by American Banks. The $70 Billion that has been put forward by the bank only represents a small portion and that is insufficient for the economy to rebound and help out companies in distress.

I would suggest companies looking for a long term investment to buy Lehman Brothers as they have massive potential to grow. I would suggest anyone out there with enough money to buy out Lehman Brothers as with Merill Lynch bought it will leave a massive market for increase in Investment banking section and Bank of America will try to make Merill Lynch a profitable company before it ventures out in new developing markets. Buying Lehman Brothers will be the most amazing investment to be had due to its potential. Once the real estate business to trashed then Lehman Brothers will as profitable as ever with share prices rebounding to $80 per share.

The government should bail them out due to the fact that they helped out Fannie Mac and Freddie Mac, and them combined have a mortagage issued to around USD $1.2 trillion. Even though Lehman Brothers may not have the same coverage but it does have a significant role to play in the market and many businesses depend on it. If I was Warren Buffett then I would certainly go ahead and buy a stake of 51% in Lehman Brothers so that we have a controlling stake and then get rid of the loss making part of the business as in reality Lehman Brothers arent actually making a loss in all markets, its just in the real estate/sub prime market. But I am not Warren Buffett, so I cannot afford to buy the majority stake in Lehman Brothers. I would love to, but can't cause I have zero income.

Therefore, Lehman Brothers need to be bought over by someone who is not Goldman Sachs or Bank of America, we need people like Warren Buffett or someone as economically powerful as him to come out and buy Lehman Brothers to save the world from going into further economic decline and maybe soon into recession. A recession in times like now will not help us anymore and will only cause more banks to decline —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.212.178.6 (talk) 13:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

No, change the question --216.75.93.110 16:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Or it will wind up like Alitalia, the italian flight company which is about to fail, and which should have failed at least 10 years ago, if the italian government would not have thrown away taxpayers' money on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.103.75.207 (talk) 18:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this will postpone the pain a bit at least until the US government will have to declare bankruptcy. --41.243.160.100 18:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Govt Should support Lehman
Since it is a oldest & biggest finance representing Country Govt, failure will question on all top brains and Policy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.11.212 (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

How broke are they?
I'd dearly love to see how deep in the hole they ceased to be if the CEO and the rest of the top 25% earners returned their 2006/2007 bonuses. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Lehman Brother's bankruptcy
If the US Government bails out Lehman, then it indicates a responsibility towards the economy. Since the US Government represents the citizens, this money represents tax dollars from said citizens. That is not a productive, nor efficient model of business. That's socialism. Government isn't a business. If the government bailed out everyone as a 'short-term' solution, businesses would have no impetus to become better and more efficient at operating. If Uncle Sam had your back, would you review your finances and crack-down on needless expenses? Heavens no! Setting a precedent for bailing out companies would be disastrous in the long-term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylock (talk • contribs) 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

NO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.183.105 (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Bad Investments
Bad investments should be allowed to fail. Anything other than this is a broken window fallacy. I don't see it any more complicated than that. Fephisto (talk) 00:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.158.48.13 (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! What, you actually believe that Keynesian drivel?  Fephisto (talk) 01:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No government support please, the market is well stocked with inflation and corruption thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.207.26 (talk) 21:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.211.33.162 (talk) 06:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Lehman Brothers bailout
No, the government should not bail out Lehman Brothers. It is most definitely not the governmen't place to have any hand in the dealings of business. That will only lead to socialism & a controlling government. ~ND
 * Well, you'll be happy to hear that they didn't bail out Lehman Brothers, then. --SVTCobra 01:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Leham's should be able to participate in proposed government bailout
If the federal government goes ahead with its plans to put up 700 billion dollars to bailout the financial markets in an effort to restore market confidence and remove the logjam of illiquid mortgage backed securities then Lehman’s should be able to participate along with all the other surviving companies in spite of its chapter 11 status. If they need to withdraw from bankruptcy protection before they will be allowed to do so then let them. The chief executives have all already sold their shares for pennies on the dollar so there is really no one left to punish except hard working employees and honest creditors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.229.42 (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

suggestions regarding the lehman brothers:

The US government should not allowed this kind of credit policy, this affected not only US government,it is affected the investors, if the US government spend this much of money,the banks not rectify the mistakes again they are doing the same kind of mistakes. so,the US government only thing is to be the credit policy. first they are separate the credit policies. it is needed for the US banks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.197.140.86 (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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Oasis star Noel Gallagher assaulted on stage in Toronto

September 15, 2008 Noel Gallagher, lead guitarist and songwriter for British rock band Oasis, was assaulted on September 7 as his band headlined the Virgin Festival in Toronto, Canada.

The band was in the middle of a performance of the song "Morning Glory" when the attacker, Daniel Sullivan, 47, ran on to the stage and pushed Noel over before attempting to attack Liam Gallagher.

Security officials quickly apprehended Sullivan and had to restrain Liam from attacking Sullivan. Gallagher was admitted to hospital. After a 15-minute delay the band returned to complete the set but refused to play an encore.

Gallagher wrote on his blog that the attacker "evaded our crack security team and assaulted my midriff."

Noel Gallagher had fallen on his monitor speakers and received bruised hips and ribs which forced Oasis to cancel two scheduled North American concerts, including one in New York. The concert ending their Canadian tour, to be held in London, Ontario, has been rescheduled to December 15.


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Comments:Despite threats, "Alaska Women Reject Palin" rally held

"According to the Anchorage Daily News, supporters of Palin cite the good she has done as Governor of Alaska, including a check all Alaskans received from the state.

"I'll bet on the other side none of those people are going to reject that and send it back," Rick Case said of the $1,200 check."

That was my first thought when i read the article and I'm glad someone said it.--66.229.17.181 14:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

S. Palin is a socialist pork hugging Osama bin Laden fan
S. Palin is a socialist because she supports using massive tax payer money to bail out big business that steal from the people as with Exon tax breaks, and the numerous bail-outs that are happening due to the republican effort to remove regulation of the real estate market.

She is a pork or swine lover. It is obvious if you look at her history. Her followers need to have blind faith, otherwise they would see the truth about her massive pork love.

She is a Osama bin Laden fan because she supported the G.W. Bush distraction that took the country's eyes off the target or the real 9/11 attackers and allowed the Bush money hogs to get the US into Iraq. Maybe she supports this for her own profit or maybe she supports not getting Osama bin Laden because she too is a religious fanatic. If her type of religious fanatics love America as they say, then they should leave and move to Iran or another religious extreme state -- the government would be more in line with their views of social control.

Worst though is that she supports putting women back into slavery and banning science and books that don't agree with her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.147.193 (talk) 15:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

lmao Creationism in schools! thats completely impossible. unless you would like to teach kids of all the creationist ideas. Buddhism muslim jewish satanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.255.34.2 (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Another whif of Facism coming from the Republican back side.
Any agenda that cant stand the light of day must attract brown shirts like Eddie Burke and employ these kinds of attacks on free speech.

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.193.44 (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

They should just have bowed to the threats and make Palin supporters look like fascists. Who wants to watch a bunch of moms with signs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.179.226 (talk) 02:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally
Congratulations to the brave women of Alaska that held the Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally. My friends have emailed the article and photos to everyone on our address lists! All women in AZ are definitely NOT fans of "Pandering McSAME" nor want a "barracuda/pitbull Palin" in the oval office. Palin would set back women's issues at least 40 years. AZ, a state usually voting Republican, put in a woman democrat as our governor and we are also fighting hard to put OBAMA into the White House.

We are so happy that you had your rally and to know that there are intelligent women and men in Alaska that want to see the USA rise out of the ashes of the Bush administration and that realize Obama is the only one that has the intelligence, demeanor and in-touch with the real Americans problems to be President of the USA...Keep up the good work, sisters...we support you! LS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovinsnow06 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


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What controversies?
How can you have an article about the growing controversies and not mention what they are??? --216.75.93.110 16:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

What?
The Libertarian Party had one chance to get rid of their pro-war, anti-drugs (non Libertarian) leader and what do they do? Not one person in the LNC was willing to replace a pro police state/military person such as Barr. Even Mary Ruwart, a true libertarian, didn't endorse the motion. Now I have even less faith in the LP. Anonymous101talk 18:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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Zimbabwean rivals sign power sharing deal

September 15, 2008 Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe and opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai today signed a power sharing deal in the county's capital, Harare.

Speaking to crowds of people celebrating the deal, Tsvangirai said that "this unity government will let businesses flourish so our people can work and provide for their families with pride." He also said that "I've signed this agreement because I believe it represents the best opportunity for us to build a peaceful and prosperous democratic Zimbabwe."

Mugabe also spoke after the deal. "Let us be allies," he said. "People will want to see if what we promise is indeed what we strive to do ... We are committed. I am committed. Let us all be committed."

Despite the agreement, there was some tension at the protest, with supporters of the two parties throwing stones at each other.

The deal means that Tsvangirai is now the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe, acting as the head of the council of ministers. Mugabe remains the president of Zimbabwe, meaning that he is still the chair of the cabinet.

The cabinet contains sixteen seats from Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change, while Mugabe's Zanu-PF has fifteen seats. The MDC also controls the police while Zanu-PF controls the armed forces.

The agreement also requires press freedom in Zimbabwe.


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This is woefully incorrect information.

I know who it was
It was Robbie Williams! Haha! conman33 22:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:12.186.114.19

As Crasheddata you did excellent work and it is surprising that you have had to revert as vandalism. Of the many users I have welcomed, yours was one that had done paticuarly well. I am shocked that you have started ot edit like this and it would be great if you would go back to writing excellent articles, they are appreciated. Anonymous101talk 20:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Woo-hoo, a small victory! Fephisto (talk) 01:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Libertarian National Committee in fierce deadlock over how to address growing Bob Barr controversies

The Libertarian party should never have nominated Bob Barr, and should get rid of him. He is a neo-con.
 * I CONCUR. Fephisto (talk) 01:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It should have been Ron Paul. Spacehusky (talk) 03:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

They Should Leave Him in Charge, but He did Make the Wrong Decision
I think they should leave him in charge, for he has the most experience and he believes in a lot of things I agree with. But if third parties ever want to go anywhere, they should try to at least help defeat they two main parties before bickering with each other, for they do have a lot in common. Duckwariorrandom (talk) 03:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I am ashamed to say that the LP membership does this every election cycle. We vote on a candidate and then spend the rest of the time trying to prove how UN-Libertarian they are. We did it to the late Harry Browne, Michael Badnarik and now Bob Barr. We don't need any other parties to run against; we're too busy beating ourselves.

Moot point
It's a moot point. The Libertarians are going nowhere, with or without Barr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.23.38 (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It would have been nice
If Ron Paul got behind Bob Barr and visa versa. However, since it does not seem likely perhaps then the Ron Paul supporters should get behind Barr. While some of the Ron Paul supporters are republicans, many are Libertarians and we need those votes to get a Libertarian in office. Set aside the one up manship and unite behind a chance for some real change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.215.64 (talk) 02:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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IMF and EU approve aid for Georgia

September 16, 2008

The International Monetary Fund and the European Union approved aid packages to help Georgia recover from its conflict with Russia, which occurred in early August. The IMF approved a US$750 million loan which will allow Georgia to rebuild its currency reserves. The European Union also approved an aid package of €500 million in aid by 2010, which is expected to help internally displaced people (IDPs) and economic recovery in the form of new infrastructure. Only €100 million of the EU aid will be given to Georgia this year.

These loans are aimed to restore confidence in Georgia's economy and send a signal to international investors that Georgia's economy is sound. According to the IMF, international investors have been "critical to Georgia's economic growth in recent years." Takatoshi Kato, Deputy Managing Director and Acting Chairman of the IMF executive committee, said the loan will "make significant resources available to replenish international reserves and bolster investor confidence, with the aim of sustaining private capital inflows that have been critical to Georgia's economic growth in recent years."

Georgia has requested $2 billion in international aid to help it recover from the conflict. So far, the United States has pledged $1 billion in aid. Further assistance and loans to Georgia are expected from other organizations. Kato noted that "...Georgia is expected to receive financial assistance from multilateral and bilateral donors and creditors in support of the reconstruction effort." It is expected that an international donors' conference will take place next month to solicit more aid for the country.

Georgia's government expects that economic growth will be more than cut in half as a result of the conflict. Last year, Georgia's GDP increased 12.4% and it is predicted by the IMF that growth will be less than 4 percent in the coming year.

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Notes, OR, Images, Etc
I took 1,600+ images on Sunday. Unfortunately it takes a long time to dig through all those, proccess them to make them "really nice", etc. I've also been really busy IRL. So I dumped out about 30 of my favorite images and tossed them on commons real quick. Down the line I intend to delete them from Commons and replace them with higher quality copies (that have been color corrected, denoised, cropped more, etc). I might even add a few more if there is interest. Don't worry, I'll fix the links on WN before I delete anything and muck up articles. I'm just trying to get this done before it is stale -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 06:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

For OR. I was there, if the pictures weren't obvious enough. You can also get the race results on their site -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 06:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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T-38
The picture labeled as a T-38 is actually a T-33.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-33_Shooting_Star And here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-38_Talon

I spent ten years at Nellis AFB in Nevada working on F-15, F-16, and F-5 (the T-38 is a derivative of the F-5 or vice versa) engines.

Thanks,

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One other thing
The GAU-8/A on the A-10 is a 30mm, not 20mm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-38_Talon

Bob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.248.24.163 (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

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Dr. Aafia’s son freed by Kabul, flown to Islamabad

September 22, 2008

The 12-year-old son of neuroscientist and MIT graduate, Mohammad Ahmed, was handed over to his aunt in Islamabad after years of detention in a  in Afghanistan. Dr. Aafia Siddiqui is still currently facing trial charged with attempting to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. Siddiqui and her three children disappeared after leaving her parent's house in Karachi on 30th March, 2003. She was married to a nephew of, the accused mastermind of the attacks. Her husband was captured in 2003 and is now held at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. In 2004, Dr. Aafia was identified by the FBI as an “Al-Qaeda operative and facilitator who posed a clear and present danger to America". Mohammad Ahmed was only six when he and his mother, brother and sister were abducted from Karachi in 2003 and later handed over to US authorities. Dr. Fauzia told journalists after the boy had been given to her by officials of the interior ministry and intelligence agencies. She gave a written statement to the officials expressing her gratitude to the Pakistani nation, President of Pakistan Asif ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, Advisor on Interior Rehman Malik, Interior Secretary Syed Kamal Shah and the National Assembly and Senate for freeing the boy.

Mohammad Ahmed arrived at the in Islamabad from Kabul in a PIA flight and was taken to his aunt’s residence. co-chairman Iqbal Haider said that the daughter of Dr. Aafia was also in Afghanistan. He regretted that despite having U.S. nationality, the U.S. government did nothing for the release of its four citizens, stating that “this is [a] severe violation of the US laws and constitution.”

Muhammad Ahmed landed back to his home in Karachi from where he had disappeared five years back, with his family, Dr. Fauzia and her family hoping that the other two missing children would also be back home soon, by taking some positive steps from the.


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