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Dan100, why don't you like all of the article tags? -- NGerda June 29, 2005 02:12 (UTC)
 * Because we only use a couple of them. There's no point listing ones that aren't used - it's confusing.

 * You must also use Subst: and then hand-remove the categories to prevent this page showing up where it's not meant to :-) Dan100 (Talk) 29 June 2005 09:07 (UTC)

 * In fact - these are the old 'article review stages', which we abandoned, as a community, a loooong time ago :-) Dan100 (Talk) 29 June 2005 09:10 (UTC)

Nullify the "change" button in the template .
That button has been clicked probably hundreds of times, and it's kind of embarrassing to have to fix it. Can't we use subst: and make that button not do anything, or lead to a separate page, stating what it should have done?
 * Why, its not that hard to revert. If you want I could rig it to give a "Are you sure you want to change this [yes] [no]" pop up before doing anything. Well there have been people who accidentally push it, most button pushes are on purpose. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've seen this happen once or twice maybe? That is done "mistakenly" and not reverted.  On occasion someone might hit it by mistake and then undo'es themselves.  Hardly seems worth it to add an extra check.  Works well, generally not abused.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 02:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * After checking the project page, I realize the user meant on THIS page, not in general. Actually it has happened only one previous to yourself.  But I fixed the problem, I edit protected the page.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 02:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

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hi! please add interwiki! =>> fa:ویکی‌خبر:مراحل برچسب‌گذاری خبرها
 * thank you for attention :) --Sahim (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 19:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * thank you Pi zero --Sahim (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Humus sapiens

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Precisely the right path, Humus sapiens! Under that there should be a link to Lead articles. Click on one of those links to edit the lead articles. If you have any more questions, be sure to ask me! NGerda June 29, 2005 03:11 (UTC)
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This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikinews. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 09:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Warnings" about "extremism" are a violation of WN:CIVIL and WN:NPA. Next time you "warn" anybody in this manner, you will be blocked. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 09:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not appreciate your comments about my POV about Zionism, and do not want you to communicate with me on my userspace. Is that understood? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 09:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Continued:, . ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

question
There is predominant acceptance of the Israeli view on related matters in the wiki projects. The Israeli's and supporters have made that view the only acceptable one in the wiki projects and limit the Arab view. Understandably Israeli's arrived in greater numbers first and concern over bigotry against Israeli's is just, but for equal reasons the Arab views need report. Denied sovereignty in large part as well before national unification, this is often neglected. Both struggled, both are due respect for struggling. With greater Arab involvement it is possible to adapt wiki content to include Arab views alongside Israeli views avoid favor to one side or the other. The old guard of different projects influence the newer, but knowing as much that the natural cultural differences between the projects exist, why abuse from misapplication of beliefs from one in another?

 * First, please try not to label others. You may be mistaken. We are all wikipedians and volunteers here. In this case, we are dealing with abusive and irresponsible admin here.
 * Second, see WN:NPOV. Anyone is free to hold any POV they wish, but it should not affect their editing or their adminship.
 * Third, you seem to hold that the Holocaust denial and calling for destruction of Israel is an "Arab view". From what I know, it is an extremist (note: not ethnic/religious label) view that does not belong here - just as any other extremist view. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I base my comments on interpretation that enthusiastic actions are motivated by emotion, that emotion based on elements of Israeli nationalism and Arab pan-nationalism contributes to conflict, and belief that calling those attributes what they are is simply being direct. I do not mean to say every concern over bigotry in Arab/Israeli disputes is political but so far that is the limit for news here. Views exist outside in other venues, but in the areas where politics combines with religious belief it is the most significant. Wikipedia is. Wikinews is. Separate and distinct policies and interpretations of policies, but common threads in emotional appeal for manipulation. There has been a stream of declared Israeli and zealous advocates from wikipedia in the past months assaulting PVJ, who is alone in trying to normalise news coverage with the Arab view. You may be neither, so it has no absolute relation but in argument this is the division. It may not be your intent but your efforts so far only incite emotional agitation unnecessarily, anger and distrust. Consider your actions in this context to understand that in addition to what you say and think based on experience in wikipedia and the skew when done on wikinews, there is a general assault occurring on wikinews against the Arab view being covered at all.

 * You are mistaken on many points, but this is not an internet forum and I am not going to engage in general discussions. For the rest (including what you call "the Arab view"), see my 3 points above. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 06:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Al jazeera
is a source, as much as any others we use. facts and opinions it reports are not ignored just because some users don't like it. — Doldrums(talk) 12:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Sure, but using their POV expression without attributing it is against WN:NPOV policy. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 * as i've pointed out, i see little pov distinction between "fighters" and "militants", so i don't consider this a significant opinion to be attributed or neutralised. — Doldrums(talk) 12:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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Canadian House of Commons approves same-sex marriage

June 28, 2005 In a 158 to 133 vote of the held Tuesday night, Canadian MPs have approved the legalization of  in Canada. Assuming the passes  and the  gives, Canada will become the fourth country in the world to legalize same-sex weddings after the Netherlands, Belgium, and Spain. The bill presented to the House of Commons by the of Prime Minister Paul Martin has passed mainly because of support by the left-wing  of Jack Layton and the support of the separatist, which enabled it to overcome the staunch opposition of the. While this vote is historic, gay weddings had already been legalized by the Supreme Courts of most Canadian provinces. The C-38 bill now extends these rulings to the rest of Canada, namely to the provinces of Alberta, Prince Edward Island, and the territory of Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.

The adoption of this bill ends a longstanding political and judicial debate in Canada, with the House of Commons referring the issue to the last year, only to have it handed back to them by the judges. If the debate has just been closed in a political sense, gay rights continue to create tensions between Canadians, since support for gay weddings comes mainly from Quebec and Ontario and parts of British Columbia while the and  provinces are mostly against them.

Those tensions have also been felt in the House of Commons itself, when Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper said on Monday, anticipating that the C-38 bill would be adopted, that the vote would "lack in legitimacy" since the bill would pass because of an unnatural alliance between the federalist Liberals and the separatist Bloc Québécois. This partisan view of gay rights has been strongly condemned, especially by Bloc Québécois leader who said that MPs from his party were democratically elected and as legitimate as any in parliament. Others called Harper a hypocrite, pouncing on the fact that he never raised any such objections allying with the Bloc in the previous month's confidence votes. Prior to the vote, announced his resignation from the Liberal cabinet because of his opposition to gay weddings and the fact that Liberal cabinet members were required to vote the party line in this case.

Related news

 * Canadian PM vows to push ahead with same-sex marriage bill
 * Court legalizes same-sex marriage in New Brunswick


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Shelby Foote, 88, noted historian and author, dies

June 29, 2005

Shelby Foote, author of the acclaimed three volume history of the American Civil War, The Civil War: A Narrative, died in Memphis on June 27 at age 88. Foote also wrote historical fiction, including Follow Me Down and Shiloh. He may be best known for his appearance in filmmaker Ken Burns' PBS documentary, The Civil War. The Modern Library ranked Foote's The Civil War: A Narrative as number 15 on its list of 100 best non-fiction books. He was commissioned to write a short history of the Civil War by Random House and spent more than 20 years on the work eventually producing the three volumes. Foote was commissioned as a captain in the United States Army during World War II and lost his commission after visiting a female friend in an army vehicle without permission. He returned to the United States and joined the Marines in whose service he spent the remainder of the war. Following the war he was briefly a reporter for the Associated Press. Pulitzer Prize winning author and friend, Richard Ford said of Foote, "He was a Southerner of great intellect who took up the issue of the Civil War as a writer with huge sanity and sympathy."


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I talked at length twice with Shelby Foote in Memphis in 1997 and 1998, at a mid-town restaurant and at Rhodes College, respectively. He was the enchanting epitome of a southern gentlemen. I was amazed that, even at his then 80 years, he could speak with authority and confidence on the Civil War and a variety of other subjects. He's one of the individuals whose passing, though we only met twice and exchanged a few letters, I regret personally... I wasn't ready for him to die -- I had grand ideas of more long and fascinating discourses with him. --Chiacomo (talk) 29 June 2005 04:12 (UTC)


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Name vs. Content
I like the idea of such a show, but the name kind of jars with me. Wouldn't News America cover news in the western hemisphere, especially news for North and South American countries, and not just the USA? That's my only complaint about it though: Wikinews can and should support localized news coverage at whatever level! - Amgine/talk 29 June 2005 06:47 (UTC)


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 * Indigenous Australians told to "wash for fuel"
 * Former Pantera-guitarist Dimebag Darrell killed on stage
 * Mike Tyson arrested for jumping on car hood
 * National Academy of Sciences recommends manned Hubble repair
 * Blair wishes to cooperate with the United States to reduce climatic change

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Talk:Canadian House of Commons approves same-sex marriage

Wait...
I thought it had to go through the Senate and Governor-General before it was fully legal. I'm not in on Candanian law, can someone explain this? Thanx 68.39.174.150 29 June 2005 10:37 (UTC)

 * The article does say it must go through the Senate and the Governor-General before it is law. At the current time the Liberal party holds a majority in the Senate, and usually the Governor-General follows the majority decision of the House of Commons. It is possible that one of these stages might not fall as expected, but it is considered unlikely here in Vancouver. - Amgine/talk 29 June 2005 10:41 (UTC)

and the Governor-General in Canada is a rubber stamp personified. This is a done deal; American gays are already swamping into Canada to get married.Paulrevere2005 29 June 2005 11:54 (UTC)
 * Amgine's right; the Liberal Canadian Senate is fully onboard


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Maciej Zurawski accepts Celtic's offer

June 29, 2005 Forward Maciej Żurawski, one of the most famous Polish footballers, accepted a contract offer from Celtic yesterday. He is now waiting for agreement between Celtic and his former club, Wisla Krakow, where he played for nearly 6 years.

Wisła wants to receive a lump sum payment at once, but Celtic would like to pay circa 3 millions euro in installments.

Żurawski, the star of Polish national football team, rejected an offer from Trabzonspor. The Turks had offered approximately 100 thousand euro more for him. If he had accepted this offer, he would play alongside former Wisła's player, Mirosław Szymkowiak.

Many people, including former Celtic star Dariusz Wdowczyk, believe he made the right decision. He will play for a club with a long history of international presence, and with chances of appearing in the Champions League this year, something Żurawski's expressed as his dream.

Celtic will be Żurawski's fourth club in his career. He has played for Warta Poznan, Lech Poznan, and for Wisla. He will earn over €700 thousands per year.

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Undercover investigation into protests planned for July's G8 summit

June 30, 2005

' published, this Sunday, the results of an undercover investigation into the protests planned for the '''. The investigation of the "anarchists and dissenters" of the movement lasted six months and was carried out by Scott McCulloch, on behalf of the Scottish newspaper's broadsheet Sunday edition.

McCulloch's report details the training camps of the protest groups that were held this weekend in preparation for the summit next month. Attendees were expected to learn how to cut or climb over fences and how to avoid injury from attacks by guard dogs. Factories making tubes that protesters use to lock themselves to other protesters are also being set up according to the report on the investigation. Massive road blocks are planned in an attempt to disrupt the summit.

The protests are expected to be coordinated from a central point at the in Forthbank, close to the city of  in central Scotland. An area of land owned by the Council was approved as the location for the ecovillage by Stirling Council on Friday 24 June. The site is intended to be a solar powered campsite for an allegiance of groups making up a possible total of 5000 people. A license to hold the event at Forthbank was sought by Convergence 2005 after two other proposed sites had already been disallowed by the Council.

Despite last minute objections raised by Central Scotland Police, the Council decided that Forthbank would be the least disruptive location for the protesters to gather, and noted that security measures had been taken. Security measures are already visible at other camps, including a steel barrier around the campsite at Craigmillar, Edinburgh. More serious security measures, designed to protect the attendees of the Summit, will involve warships and army helicopters, according to an editorial by Murdo MacLeod in the Scotland On Sunday on Sunday 26. The paper also reports that Mike Smith, from King's College London, says that security fences and police snipers are expected to be surrounding the area of the Summit.

The summit itself is taking place in Gleneagles, which is 20 miles away from the main campsite in Forthbank. The ecovillage is expected to open at the start of July.

Related links

 * Official G8 Summit site
 * Alternative G8 Summit
 * Dissent: A protest group's view of the G8 Summit
 * Make Poverty History: March planned in Scotland before the Summit


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Fiji girls missing; feared dead

June 29, 2005

Three teen-aged sisters went missing on Sunday, June 26th, and Fijian police have called in navy divers to aid in the search.

Ashika Sherin Lata, 19, Renuka Roshni Lata, 18 and Radhika Roshni Lata, 17 were taken on a boat trip to Malake island near by a family friend. The friend "was found alone in the boat and then he informed the family that he was assaulted by three Fijians", Constable Prashila Narayan told Radio New Zealand International.

Divisional Crime Officer Vijay Singh reported additional officers have been called in on the case, but told Fijilive that the navy divers were necessary for the case.

"Until [the navy divers come in] we are just searching around the island where they disappeared and hopefully try and get clues as to which direction they may have been heading."

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User talk:68.220.213.215

Welcome
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US helicopter with 17 on board believed to have been shot down in Afghanistan

June 29, 2005 The US military has confirmed that 17 servicemen were onboard a CH-47 Chinook helicopter that has crashed near Asadabad, Afghanistan, on June 28. The fate of the men being transported to an area of Al-Qaeda resistance is unknown.

Coalition and Afghan troops moved into the area to secure the site and other coalition aircraft have been sent to assist. The crash occurred high up in mountainous terrain, and is believed to have been the result of hostile fire. Efforts to search for the crash site are being met by bad weather and harsh terrain.

The helicopter was transporting forces as part of ongoing operations to fight militants who operate in the area, and who have recently been escalating their attacks.

The Taliban claimed they shot the helicopter down. A man claiming to be a spokesman for the Taliban, Abdul Latif Hakimi, reported the downing of the helicopter to offices in Kabul before news of the crash was released by the U.S. military. The Hakimi relationship to the Taliban is unclear, and his reports are sometimes inaccurate. He claimed that video footage of the attack would be posted to a Taliban Web site at the address www.alemarah.com. The New York Times reported the site appeared blocked later in the day on Wednesday, although the site is still visible in Google's cache.

At least 29 service men have died in Afghanistan this year, while at least 450 people have been killed in the last three months, mostly militants. A Chinook which crashed in April with the loss of 18 lives was brought down by a sandstorm.


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Fathers mourn slain children in Arizona

June 29, 2005

The fathers of Adrienne Heredia's four children, slain together with their mother and her boyfriend Luis Rios, 35, are grieving their loss in Yuma, Arizona, but have little information from the police about the crime.

The children, son Danny Heredia III, 6; daughter, Inez Newman, 9; and two other sons - Andreas Crawford, 13, and Enrique Bedoya, 12, were found inside the home with their mother after police were called to the scene the night of June 24th on reports of guns shots. Mr. Rios was found in the backyard, still alive at the time but died later in hospital.

"It feels like a nightmare," said Danny Heredia Jr., father of Danny Heredia III. The fathers were contacted by authorities before the names were released to the press. Kenneth Crawford learned of the death of his sons Andreas and Enrique when he returned a trip to Los Angeles, and Inez's father William C. Newman Jr. was contacted at work.

Police released very few new details at their June 27th press conference on the case. They have a witness reporting a man fleeing the scene, and a sketch has been released. However, police are unsure if the crime is the work of a single individual, or if others were involved.

"This type of investigation, because of the complexity of it, is not going to take a few minutes," Police Chief William Robinson said.

Autopsies have been ordered, and the causes of death will not be released until they are completed.

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Wikinews:Briefs/June 29, 2005

June 29, 2005

Audio Wikinews transcript – 2005 06 29 – 22:00 UTC
As reported by Gabriel Hurley It is June 29, 2005 at 2200 UTC, and this is Wikinews: News Briefs.

Breaking News
Scenario for impeachment of Lula raised in Brazil ''Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and his Workers' Party are the target of several serious accusations of corruption. With news media heavily covering the situation, popular support for the President is eroding.''

Canadian House of Commons approves same-sex marriage In a 158 to 133 vote, the House of Commons MPs have approved the legalization of same-sex weddings in Canada.

United States President George W. Bush makes speech to rally support for war in Iraq Speaking before an audience of 750 soldiers and airmen on Tuesday night at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, US President Bush began an effort to shore up waning support for military actions in Iraq.

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And, be sure to check out our daily full-length audio news program, called Audio Wikinews: Full Report.

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Talk:United States President George W. Bush makes speech to rally support for war in Iraq

 * unrelated 9-11 attacks

This is somebody's POV. As good journalists, we should tell our readers who.

 * COMMENT! The "somebody" is the official 9/11 Commission. I will edit accordingly. Paulrevere2005 30 June 2005 12:17 (UTC)

Otherwise it would give the impression that this web site is saying that 9-11 and Iraq are unrelated. They probably are, but it isn't common knowledge. it's a Point of view. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 00:01 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ed it is POV to say they are unrelated, even if we might belive they are. --Cspurrier 30 June 2005 00:03 (UTC)

 * Sorry Ed, only meant to revert the "unrelated" deletion. A relationship must be proven, not disproven. The Whitehouse has never proven a relationship, therefore it is NPOV to say it is unrelated. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:05 (UTC)

commentary and backgroud
How much commentary and background does a news article need? Is it common knowledge that Bush cited (alleged) Iraqi possession of WMD to justify the invasion? If not, what's the best way to mention this in an article about a speech?

Also, Bush makes a POV statement. (His whole speech looks like the promotion of his POV on a hasty first glance to me, but I haven't studied it careffully yet.) My concern is how WikiNews treats unpopular POVs. Do we simply say he's wrong? Do we attribute opposing POV to Democrats, or administration opponents, or what?

Stop me if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here. There's probably an NPOV statement around here somewhere which I should have looked at before jumping in.

Or stop me if I'm simply going too fast! I'm really a newbie here. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 00:28 (UTC)

 * I think you're doing okay, as far as I'm concerned. Bush, or anyone else pushing an agenda, makes many POV statements. What Wikinews tends to do is to report on the events, and less on the rhetoric. Where something is not true to facts, it would be pointed out, usually with a citation (often a link to Wikipedia) if it is not common knowledge.

 * One thing we try not to do is give point-counterpoint for every argued statement. That's just a general tendency, not a rule set in stone or anything. Especially since, in political settings, there's rarely only two views on a given point.

 * Our NPOV statement is at NPOV. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:34 (UTC)

 * I read it. It looks the same as NPOV. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 00:39 (UTC)
 * - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:44 (UTC)

Bush is so biased!
I don't think George W. Bush stands a chance of becoming an admin at this web site. His speech is full of POV.

 * After September the 11th, I made a commitment to the American people: This nation will not wait to be attacked again. We will defend our freedom. We will take the fight to the enemy.

 * Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war.

Here, for the second time, he links 9-11 and Iraq - without citing any facts to prove that there is a link. I suppose he just assumes it is common knowledge.

"Taking the fight to the enemy" means battling them on their home ground. Thus Bush is implying that Iraq is the home ground of the 'terrorists' who attacked the WTC on 9-11-01.

It's neutral and accurate to attribute this POV to G.W. Bush. The story is all about his speech, and he's making lots of points in it. There's not much more to the story than the contents of the speech.

Unless we also want to cover reactions to the speech. Did anyone comment afterwards, like a Democratic senator maybe? It should not be hard to find an opposing POV to balance the article. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 00:59 (UTC)

 * There were many many comments after the speech. The biggest question is: Why did this president, who is the least-photographed and accessible president since the invention of TV, make this speech? Why would he break with his usual secrecy and hiding from the press? The reason, of course, is the public is beginning to question the legitimacy of what has happened, and he needs to regain public support. A few days before this speech the republican-controlled Senate allowed Mr. Rumsfeld to be asked to hand in his resignation, an event unthinkable a few months ago when he was previously interviewed on the hill.

 * I don't know how to balance the article, other than to attempt to answer the question why he gave the speech. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 01:12 (UTC)

I'm not going to second guess you on why he gave the speech. It seems pretty obvious that he feels the need to regain public support. I'm more interested in keeping WikiNews from asserting as fact the anti-Bush POV that: It would be better to quote prominent / notable people who make these assertions.
 * 1) there is no link between Iraq and 9-11
 * 2) Bush should either withdraw all the troops now, or provide a timetable for their withdrawal.

The first point is significant, because Bush used the opposite POV as justification for the military campaign which invaded Iraq and toppled its government.

I see the balance as:
 * Bush insists there a link between Iraq and 9-11
 * He uses this supposed link to justify America's militar policy.
 * Opponents say Bush has failed to establish even the remotest possibility of a link
 * Bush opponents want him to set a troop withdrawal timetable - the earlier the better
 * Bush refuses to withdraw now, claiming that would undermine democratic "progress" in Iraq
 * Bush refuses to set a troop withdrawal timetable, claming that this would strengthen the "anti-democratic" opposition, which he says would simply conserve their forces until the withdrawal and launch an onslaught afterwards.

I hope that you are unable to detect my own ideas about whether Bush or his opponents are right on the link thing or the withdrawal thing. If so, then we can use my framework as a basis for neutral reporting. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 01:38 (UTC)
 * Only able to detect the article is ruined by the meddling of Ed Poor.

Hard to believe that our contributors don't know that a connection between Iraq and 9/11 has been disproven!
"We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States" "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

This situation shows to me the overwhelming power of "battering ram" programming; where now not only do half the people think Saddam was involved in 9/11, another 40% must think it's possible but unproven...the fact is it has been disproven, but even our contributors don't seem to know that important fact.

Paulrevere2005 30 June 2005 12:17 (UTC)

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Please add this article to Category:9/11. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * ✅. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


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Flash floods hit Australia's eastern coast

June 30, 2005

6,000 residents of in  have been told to evacuate their homes.

A couple is missing on the in Queensland. State Emergency Services (SES) workers are currently preparing to evacuate a number of nursing homes in the suburbs of and.

The (BOM) have said that South East Queensland has recorded rainfalls of 368mm in the last 24 hours and that the Gold Coast suburb of  has been averaging 80mm per hour for at least two hours. The Coolangatta airport was closed due to flooding.

Further south the city of Lismore has been inundated. A recently constructed levy has held back the waters of the, protecting the town's central business district.


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Talk:Maciej Zurawski accepts Celtic's offer

Are British football and Polish football players second lead material? Andrew pmk 30 June 2005 02:11 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, yes. There are many different viewpoints, and interests. The Canada article has been up nearly 24 hours. What bothers me more is there are two US stories up. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 02:14 (UTC)

 * Well, Wikinews is currently critisized for being anglophono-centric, so We should write stories about events around the world. Sblive 30 June 2005 07:02 (UTC)


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Football: Kežman goes to Madrid

June 30, 2005

Serbia and Montenegro international, Mateja Kežman, will sign a three year contract with Atlético de Madrid today. The striker spent an unsuccessful season with Chelsea and all three parties have agreed to this €7 million transfer.

Kežman started his career in Serbia and Montenegro, where he became popular while playing for Partizan, Belgrade. He was bought by the Dutch team PSV, where he was a prolific striker, setting a record number of goals per season. His year in Chelsea was not as successful, as he mostly started games as a substitute and managed to score only seven goals in official games.

Other teams that demonstrated an interest in Kežman this summer included Sevilla, Olympique de Marseille and Schalke 04.

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Rwandan businessmen sentenced for War Crimes

June 30, 2005

Two Rwandan businessmen were sentenced to 10 and 12 years for their role in the 1994.

The two, tried in, could have faced up to 25 years in prison, the court decided on a lesser sentence as the convicted businessmen played no direct role in the killings. They were convicted based on their offers of transportation and weapons to militas in the planned massacre of  in a church and a municipal building where Tutsis and Hutus had met.

The trial was one of only two ground-breaking trials held in Belgium since local law changed to allow Belgian courts to prosecute violations of the on the conduct of war regardless of where the violations occurred. The law was revised in 2003 to limit its scope as activists had attempted to seek the prosecution of world leaders including. As Belgian citizens, the two Rwandans were subject to the new law.

The 1994 Rwandan genocide was an eruption of ethnic conflict where Hutu militia, supported by the Hutu dominated government and encouraged by 'hate radio', attempted to ethnically cleanse the minority Tutsi. Despite numerous warnings the international community did not take serious action to prevent the atrocities, which included hacking people to death with machetes, and forcing people into buildings that were then destroyed with bulldozers. Estimates place the number killed at up to one million.

A major programme is trying to complete trials for genocidaires by the end of 2008. Major perpetrators are being tried at four courts of the International Criminal Tribunal in Tanzania, while in Rwanda are reaching the end of the investigation stage, after which communities will collectively decide on guilt and punishment at weekly Gacaca sessions throughout the summer.


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US helicopter with 17 on board believed to have been shot down in Afghanistan/Brief

US helicopter with 17 on board believed to have been shot down in Afghanistan
U.S. Military confirms 17 servicemen, who's fate is still unknown, were onboard a CH-47 Chinook helicopter that has crashed near Asadabad, Afghanistan, on June 28, 2005.

A man claiming to be a spokesman for the Taliban, Abdul Latif Hakimi, reported the downing of the helicopter to offices in Kabul before news of the crash was released by the U.S. military.

The helicopter was transporting forces as part of ongoing operations to fight militants who operate in the area, and who have recently been escalating their attacks.

Coalition and Afghan troops were mobilized to secure the area, but rescue efforts are being met by bad weather and harsh terrain.


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Maciej Zurawski accepts Celtic's offer/Brief

Maciej Zurawski accepts Celtic's offer
Polish forward Maatziey Zhuravskee (Maciej Żurawski) accepted a contract offer from FC Celtic yesterday and is now waiting for the agreement between the team from Glasgow and his old club Viswa (Wisła) Krakow.

Wisła wants to receive a lump sum payment at once, but the Celtics would like to pay around 3 million Euros in installments.

Celtic has a chance of appearing in the Champions League this season.


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Shelby Foote, 88, noted historian and author, dies/Brief

Shelby Foote, 88, noted historian and author, dies
Shelby Foote, author of the acclaimed three volume history of the American Civil War, The Civil War: A Narrative, died in Memphis on June 27 at age 88. Foote also wrote historical fiction, including Follow Me Down and Shiloh. He may be best known for his appearance in filmmaker Ken Burns' PBS documentary, The Civil War.

Pulitzer Prize winning author and friend, Richard Ford said of Foote, "He was a Southerner of great intellect who took up the issue of the Civil War as a writer with huge sanity and sympathy."


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Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales announces cooperation between KDE Group and Wikimedia

June 30, 2005

A co-operation between the KDE group - makers of a free desktop for Linux - and the Wikimedia Foundation has been announced at the LinuxTag Conference in Karlsruhe. They intend to build a protocol which will make it possible to access Wikimedia project's data from any application, but especially from the KDE suite.

The KDE Group will try to integrate some of the applications from the package with Wikimedia data. For example, AmaroK, media player, will use Wikipedia data to show information about music being played at the moment. Some other applications, including chemical database Kalzium, a database of information about the sky KStars and office suite KOffice will use data from Wikipedia, or from its sister projects.

It will be based on SOAP/WSDL technology, which is already used by the Google API. It could be used on almost every platform and programming environment.

It is also possible to include the Wikipedia archive in some of KDE's CD editions to make it possible to use the data from Wikipedia on machines without an internet connection.


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Brazil wins Confederations Cup

June 30, 2005

After 4:1 victory over Argentina, Brazil won this year's Confederations Cup yesterday. The match took place in Frankfurt, Germany, in very bad weather conditions.

In 12th minute Adriano dribbled past some opponents and scored a great goal from over eighteen meters. Lux had no chance. Four minutes later Kaká scored the next goal with another powerful long shot from the outer of the penalty area.

After that, the Argentinians seemed as if they lost belief in positive outcome, but they were determined to change the situation. Riquelme, Sorin, Placente and others were trying to score a goal, but were unable to do get one past the posts.

At the beginning of the second half, in 46th minute, full-back Cicinho, who is currently playing for Santos, made a wonderful pass to Ronaldinho, and there was 3:0 on the scoreboard. Next goal, scored by Adriano, came about twenty minutes later, after Ronaldinho's pass.

Argetinians still wanted to change the result. Two minutes after Adriano's goal, Pablo Aimar, a substitute, scored, but his team was unable to win.

When the match were reaching the end, Brazilian substituters started to dance and be delighted over the title that they won.

Brazil's first matches at the Confederations Cup were poor. Their draw with Japan, and loss to Mexico, made their supporters unhappy. But Carlos Alberto Parreira led the team to the top of competitions, which is considered a preparation for the World Cup.

Scorers
Adriano 12, 63, Kaká 16, Ronaldinho 46 - Aimar 65

Lineups
Brazil: Dida - Lucio, Roque Junior, Cicinho (replaced by Maicon in 86th minute), Gilberto - Kaka (Renato, 86th), Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho - Adriano, Robinho (Juninho, 90th) Argentina: Lux - Zanetti, Coloccini, Heinze, Placente - Cambiasso (Aimar, 56th), Bernardi, Riquelme, Sorin - Figueroa (Tevez, 72nd), Delgado (Galletti, 81st)

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OhmyNews forum discusses experiences in citizen journalism

The OhmyNews International Citizen Reporters' Forum (see previous report) concluded on Saturday with several speeches and a visit to sponsoring companies in South Korea's technology sector. Some invited "citizen reporters" from around the world extended their stay by several days to tour the country. Since the conclusion of the conference, presentations and transcripts have been published on the OhmyNews web site.

Wikinews and OhmyNews
The forum sessions took place in the conference center of the COEX Convention & Exhibition Center in Seoul. Interpreters provided translation services into English and Korean. Saturday began with a series of panels, each one consisting of three short presentations followed by a brief discussion with the audience. The first presentation was an introduction to Wikinews by Erik Möller (online copy). Möller described the history of the project and its relation to the well-known online encyclopedia Wikipedia, demonstrated a working copy of the wiki software MediaWiki, and showed some example Wikinews articles. He listed different possibilities for cooperation between Wikinews and OhmyNews, particularly content partnerships, shared communication channels and shared resource pools for citizen journalists. "I extend the hand of friendship to OhmyNews," Möller concluded.

A brief presentation of the history of OhmyNews by Jean K. Min, Director of the International Division, followed. Min cited media reports emphasizing the growing significance of the web site in Korea, and outlined the strategy of expansion to new markets. The English edition, officially launched in May 2004, is seen as a key project in this regard, a test for the feasibility of the OhmyNews model outside Korea. Contributors to both the English and the Korean version receive a small compensation for their work, and the Korean edition uses an integrated payment system that has led to donations ("tips") of thousands of dollars to some OhmyNews contributors.

In the panel discussion that followed, one audience member asked whether, given the for-profit nature of OhmyNews and the non-profit nature of Wikinews, there might be a potential for conflict. Möller responded that, in his view, it was the compatible philosophies of the projects that mattered, and that a for-profit endeavor did not necessarily mean that all competitors have to be destroyed. "I don't think Oh Yeon Ho wants to be a new Rupert Murdoch," he said.

Grass-roots journalism in the U.S. and "user-created content"

The first speaker of the next session was Clyde Bentley, Associate Professor for online journalism at the University of Missouri. Bentley introduced the project MyMissourian.com, which he has founded together with journalism students. As in the case of OhmyNews, editors vet stories submitted by "citizen reporters." Bentley's group organized several special reporting events, such as one centering around Earth Day, a festival about environmental awareness: "We set up a booth, and we set up some wireless computers and some other materials, and let people come in and just write about Earth Day. It was very successful." The most successful part of the experiment, according to Bentley, was to lend digital cameras to let people take and share photos.

Bentley argued that alternative journalism was less needed in the United States than in South Korea due to its long democratic tradition. He sees the usefulness of projects like MyMissourian.com in raising awareness of local issues and stories that might otherwise be ignored. The challenge, Bentley concluded, is to build a new "journalism of sharing." Instead of being storytellers, journalists in such a scenario would be "story guides", assuring consistency and quality.

The next speaker on the panel was Jeremy Iggers, a reporter for the Minneapolis Star Tribune who did not, however, speak as a representative of his newspaper. He gave a prepared speech contrasting his early efforts promoting civic journalism with his latest endeavors in citizen journalism. "I can trace this interest in citizen journalism back to the early 90s, when I created a public journalism project called Minnesota's Talking for the Minneapolis Star Tribune," Iggers said. Readers were invited to join monthly issue discussion groups in private homes, community centers, libraries, and sometimes churches. "At the peak, we had around 100 meeting sites, with over 1,000 participants."

However, this and similar experiments in civic journalism were cancelled, which Iggers called "really unfortunate." As a revitalization of these abortive efforts online, Iggers has founded the Twin Cities Media Alliance, which he wants to use to bootstrap a "Community Newswire" following a similar model to OhmyNews. Beyond reports by citizens, Iggers also wants to make use of stories published by local community newspapers in Minneapolis. He emphasized that this project is independent from his work for the Star Tribune, and that it might be viewed as a conflict of interest.

The final speaker of this panel was Neil Thurman, Associate Professor at the City University London. Thurman has conducted extensive studies on how traditional media in the United Kingdom make use of "user-generated content" on the Internet: "The Guardian, for example, which is the most popular British news website, allows unedited and unselected comments on its pages; none of the other newspapers in the UK does." Thurman also argued that "the amounts of user participation that's archived on message boards varies a great deal, you can see with the Daily Mail, there's over a million posts, whereas the Financial Times has barely 10,000." One of Thurman's key observations is that some user forums and feedback mechanisms were shut down or strongly restricted due to a perceived lack of control over the nature of the comments published in this way. Government-funded or 'public-service' efforts, Thurman observed, are generally more open to the idea of experimenting with user-created content.

Citizen reporters in their own words

The afternoon sessions focused mostly on the individual stories of OhmyNews citizen reporters from Korea and around the world. This included testimonials from:
 * Kim Hye Won, who introduced herself as "a traditional Korean housewife who lives together with a husband, two children and an 86-year-old mother-in-law." She wrote many of the "life stories" that are typical for OhmyNews, such as "I Donated Blood to See a Movie for Free” and "Daddy’s Depressed, Son’s Taking Tests, And I'm Worried." These stories exist between the fields of traditional journalism and blogs, as they do not report significant events, but they are nevertheless edited by the OhmyNews staff like regular stories. According to many speakers at the conference, they embody Oh Yeon Ho's vision of "every citizen as a reporter."
 * Goh Tae Jin, a Korean business owner who mostly contributes columns to OhmyNews. He described his experience of joining OhmyNews, originally to rebut a column published on the site -- and suddenly finding that his rebuttal "was chosen as the top article and suddenly sparked numerous heated opinions." In spite of the many political columns he wrote since then, Goh Tae Jin emphasized that he felt that the key element of OhmyNews were "life stories" such as those written by Kim Hye Won.
 * Ana Maria Brambilla, an OhmyNews reporter from Brazil and a graduate student in communications. Brambilla contrasted the OhmyNews approach to citizen journalism with open source software development and referred to OhmyNews as an example of "open source journalism" due to the fact that anyone has access to the tools of publishing.
 * Sung Nag-Sun, staff editor at OhmyNews and responsible for submissions by citizen reporters, described his job as polishing stories to get them ready for publication. In the question and answer session, he was asked whether OhmyNews would accept legal liability for stories written by citizen reporters, and took a clear stand in favor of that position: If his team approved a story, he argued, they had to do everything to make sure that it is correct, and would take a large part of the responsibility if it is not. Volunteer writers would be offered legal protection on a case-by-case basis.

Added to these and other perspectives from reporters for OhmyNews were independent views such as that of Omid Habibinia, an exiled Iranian living in Switzerland and an outspoken critic of the Iranian regime. Habibinia cited the famous case of Zahra Kazemi, an Iranian-born journalist who, many believe, was tortured and killed by Iranian officials. He criticized the extensive measures the Islamic regime had taken against press freedom: "Just days after the revolution in 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini banned newspapers critical of the new government, beginning 26 years of terror, torture, imprisonment, exile and mass killing in Iran. In the last 25 years more than 1,000 newspapers and magazines have been banned in Iran."

A different story of citizen journalism was told by Ken Takeuchi, the CEO of JanJan, a Japanese citizen journalism site functioning similarly to OhmyNews. Takeuchi argued that the OhmyNews model faced different challenges in Japan than in Korea, particularly a reluctance to express strong opinions (which Takeuchi deemed a different "national character" from Korea), and a widespread feeling that the existing media are doing an adequate job. Due to these and other problems, Takeuchi argued, JanJan had not yet gained a foothold in the Japanese media landscape, receiving about 2 million pageviews a month in May 2005 and publishing about 15 to 20 articles per day.

Exploring Seoul's technology sector

After the presentations on citizen journalism, Yoo Hyun-oh, President and CEO of the SK Corporation, one of the sponsors of the conference, gave a presentation on Cyworld, a very popular online community operated by SK Communications. It offers visitors a so-called "minihompy", a homepage which can be custom-designed using animated avatars and background music. These additions can be purchased using a currency called "acorns."

Conference attendees had an opportunity to take a closer look at Cyworld in a visit to SK Communications in Seoul, including a step into the "monitoring room" where Cyworld staff observe the operations of the website. While SK Corporation (the chaebol to which SK Communications belongs) was one of the sponsors of the conference, international OhmyNews director Jean K. Min insisted that the technology company visits had no relationship to sponsorship.

Another technology company, NHN Corporation, also received a brief visit from the illustrious group of citizen reporters. NHN operates a search engine called Naver, which, according to its own data, is more popular than Google in South Korea. NHN attributes this in part to its user-created content: If the search engine does not supply an answer to a query, users are invited to write it. This model, perhaps similar to that of Wikipedia, has led to a large database of answers.

The International Citizen Reporters' Forum ended with a closing ceremony and Korean buffet sponsored by the Korea National Tourism Organization. Conversations that began here continued into the night while intoxication increased, and several attendees extended their stay in Seoul to continue socializing and to discover Seoul and the Korean peninsula.


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As noted in the previous story, I was at the event. I apologize for this late report; I lost my notes and had to piece together as much as I could from memory, transcripts, and video files I recorded at the conference. (The video files are not particularly interesting, but if anyone is interested, I can upload them as MPEG.)

As for the photos, I know it looks a bit ridiculous at the moment, but I'm sort of fond of the towering housewife. Feel free to change it in any way you see fit.--Eloquence 30 June 2005 10:41 (UTC)

I've cropped two of the images a bit (yay, External Editor!), but the arrangement is of course debatable. If an image looks strangely compressed for you, make sure that your cache is empty.--Eloquence 30 June 2005 11:30 (UTC)

Great work!
Great article Eloquence; it's great to be informed of the results of conferences like these that pertain to the progress of citizen journalism. I was particularly amazed by the last image...reminds me of the Global Frequency pilot. - McCart42 (talk) July 1, 2005 03:28 (UTC)


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Talk:Brazil wins Confederations Cup

shouldn't be "Brazil" ?

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Talk:Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales announces cooperation between KDE Group and Wikimedia

what does this mean in practical terms for wikinews contributors and readers? Paulrevere2005 30 June 2005 11:33 (UTC)
 * Maybe KDE users will be able to see the news on their desktop, or in any special program... Sblive 30 June 2005 11:38 (UTC)


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Talk:US helicopter with 17 on board believed to have been shot down in Afghanistan

"the New York Times reported the site appeared "blocked"
Re; the nytimes reference to the blocking of a website; does anyone know how and who "blocks" websites, and whether its legal to do so? e.g. if I wanted to "block" a pro-Blair website; is it legal for me to do it?

If it's a government entity that blocks websites, is that a problem for the citizens and if so what can we do about it?

If the U.S. government is blocking the websites of its adversaries(e.g. Cuba) is that legal and/or acceptable?

I am really wondering about this reference to a "blocked website" in this article; especially because it is just mentioned in a kind of "ho-hum", "more of the same" way.

Are we collectively becoming too accepting about blatant and epidemic government censorship???? Where are the champions of freedom of the press???? Paulrevere2005 30 June 2005 12:54 (UTC)


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Bodies found at crash site of US helicopter in Afghanistan

June 30, 2005

Thirteen bodies have been found at the site where a US helicopter crashed yesterday in Afghanistan.

Seven more soldiers are unaccounted for - including soldiers who were fighting on the ground at the time of the crash

A U.S. official in Washington said on Wednesday said all aboard were presumed dead, although the US military has yet to confirm the news.

It is understood that the CH-47 Chinook was brought down by a rocket-propelled grenade fired by members of the Taleban, as it was carrying soldiers (including US Navy Seals) into the area to fight militants.

The search and rescue operation is being hampered by poor weather, difficult terrain and by militants operating in the area. Search and rescue personnel reached the site late on Wednesday night.

"It's a search and recovery operation in a tactical environment, which means we have to ensure security throughout," U.S. military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jerry O'Hara said.

In other news, the US Department of Defense has announced the death of two soldiers who were killed when their AH-64D Apache attack helicopter crashed in Iraq.


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Sharapova knocked out of Wimbledon 2005 in semi-final

June 30, 2005

Defending Wimbledon Ladies Singles champion has been beaten by  in the 2005 semi-final by two sets to love. In the final game, Williams came to match point twice, just as rain began to fall. Both that and the preceding game were hard fought, with a succession of deuces.

The other semi-final, between and, will resume tomorrow after rain forced an early end to play today. The match will resume with Davenport a break up in the final set. The previous sets both went to tie-breaks after both players exchanged breaks of serve.

Both matches were played at the same time - Williams and Sharapova on Centre Court, with Davenport and Mauresmo on No.1 - after early rain meant players could not get onto the courts until late afternoon.


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Original reporting
By me. Uncle G June 30, 2005 18:39 (UTC)
 * And a bit by me, who was watching the other match :-) Dan100 (Talk) 30 June 2005 22:10 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems the scorecard had the names flipped. I changed it.  --205.228.12.194 1 July 2005 15:38 (UTC)

Please add CAT:Wimbledon Championships and link it at the first instance
editprotected acagastya 05:03, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * cat already there; wized. --Pi zero (talk) 11:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


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Ferry crashes into smaller boats in West Vancouver after losing power

June 30, 2005

The Queen of Oak Bay, a ferry, owned by British Columbia Ferries, has crashed into several smaller boats in a marina in west Vancouver (Horseshoe Bay) after losing power. There were over 500 passengers onboard as well as 189 vehicles at the time of the crash. There are no reported injuries at this time, as the ferry sounded a warning several times after losing power and drifting uncontrollably into the marina. By approximently 5:30 PM local time officials had determined the hull was sound and the ferry was pulled out of the wreckage and docked at it's berth under the power of tug boats. Passengers who had been stuck aboard the vessel for hours were then allowed to disembark.

There is speculation that the power failure was due to a mechanical fault, possibly the clutch.


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Fiji "running out of patience" with Vanuatu over ban on Fijian biscuits

July 1, 2005

Fiji's Foreign Minister, Kaliopate Tavola, said that the letter being sent to Vanuatu's prime minister would be the final gesture of Fiji's friendship.

In March, the island nation Vanuatu banned the importation of Fijian biscuits. This was the second ban on Fijian biscuits by Vanuatu in the last six months. Vanuatu has said that this ban is necessary in order to stimulate Vaunatu's biscuit industry.

The company affected by this ban, Flour Mills of Fiji, exports nearly US$900,000 worth of biscuits to Vanuatu yearly. Flour Mills of Fiji has said that the ban has forced them to layoff about a dozen people. They also stated that they will be taking legal action against the Vanuatu government for the ban.

On June 13 the Fijian government announced its intention to stop all commercial relations with Vanuatu unless this issue was resolved. Commercial relations with Vanuatu include Air Vanuatu flights and the importation of Vanuatu kava. Fijian imports of Vanuatu kava bring approximately VT350 million (US$3.2 million) to Vanuatu each year.


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Just because this article shows up in two lists doesn't mean that it shouldn't be listed as Developing. This just doesn't make sense. NGerda June 30, 2005 20:05 (UTC)
 * It does make sense the cat:dev tag has no use other then to make it show up on the automatic list, as many people have said it looks silly to have a story listed twice. btw you have broken the 3rr on this story--Cspurrier 30 June 2005 20:11 (UTC)
 * No, you two have. NGerda June 30, 2005 20:11 (UTC)
 * I have reverted twice, Amgine has reverted twice also. You have reverted three times. --Cspurrier 30 June 2005 20:16 (UTC)
 * The 3RR is broken when a user or a group of users acting in concert reverts another user's edits the fourth time. You and Amgine have clearly broken this rule.  -- NGerda June 30, 2005 20:18 (UTC)

Wikinews does not use article stages
Article stages was a system of development which was abandoned by Wikinews as unworkable in practice. We do not require articles to be listed as at a stage of development. If you were to contribute to the article, adding content, perhaps it might be reasonable to take your personal wish to add the developing category. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 20:10 (UTC)
 * So you disagree that this article is in Development. Show me where it was abandoned.  NGerda June 30, 2005 20:11 (UTC)


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UN/WHO making progress in treating HIV/AIDS, but will miss 2005 target

July 1, 2005

The World Health Organisation has announced that the number of people receiving anti-retroviral treatments (ART) in developing countries is increasing significantly - more than doubling between December 2003 and June 2005. One million people are now getting the drugs they need, compared to just 400,000 eighteen months ago.

However, access to treatment is not growing as fast as demand, and the UN is unlikely to reach its target of treating three million people by the end of 2005 - just over half the people who need it. The longer-term target of universal treatment by 2010 is still likely to be met.

The figures show that the number of people receiving ART is increasing in every part of the globe, but not as quickly as people are contracting HIV. The numbers getting treatment in sub-Saharan Africa, the part of the world worst affected by HIV/AIDS has increased threefold on a year ago, and doubled in the last six months. The same rate of growth as also been seen in Asia, the second-worst affected area.

The WHO's report highlights that the best progress has been made when governments have worked together with the WHO, the UN and other parterners. The report goes on to make recommendations for simplifying the process to enable treatment levels to be increased even faster.

The UN's target was based on what was hypothetically possible if all possible steps to provide treatment were taken. The report shows the while financial, political and technical steps have been made, other areas are falling short.

Pressure groups said that countries were reacting too slowly to the pandemic and called on the G8 to provide more sustainable funding for universal treatment for Aids.

UK international development minister Gareth Thompson said: "We are committed to universal access to HIV treatments by 2010. We will spend £1.5bn in the next three years on Aids, including £150m on orphans."


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Rail tunnel collapses at Gerrards Cross, UK

July 1, 2005

A section of the rail tunnel outside Gerrards Cross Station in Buckinghamshire collapsed at around 8 p.m. last night. No-one was injured. 20 metres of concrete tunnel and gravel collapsed onto the Chiltern to Marylebone line, closing the railway and causing much disruption.

The tunnel was created by the supermarket chain Tesco, who had filled in a railway cutting in order to build a supermarket above it. The project was unpopular both among the local community and the rail industry who felt the project put commercial gain before railway safety.

The accident came hours after another rail accident in East Yorkshire, where a train collided with a car at a level crossing, killing the driver of the car and injuring five train passengers.


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Fiji's War of the Ribbons

June 30, 2005

A committee of the Fijian Parliament has been receiving submissions this week on its controversial legislation aimed at establishing a Commission with the power to compensate victims and pardon perpetrators of the civilian coup d'état led by George Speight, which deposed the elected government of Prime Minister Mahendra Chaudhry in May 2000.

Few pieces of legislation in Fijian history have generated such passionate support and opposition from different quarters. Public opinion polls show that the great majority of Indo-Fijians are opposed to the legislation, along with a large minority of indigenous Fijians. Supporters of the bill, being promoted by Prime Minister Laisenia Qarase and Attorney-General Qoriniasi Bale, argue that it will bring closure to the wounds of the 2000 coup and allow the country to move on. Opponents say that it is just a legal mechanism for releasing from prison supporters of the present government, who were convicted of coup-related offenses. For its parliamentary majority, the government relies on its coalition partner, the Conservative Alliance, several of whose senior members have been found guilty of involvement in the coup.

Opponents of the bill include Roman Catholic Archbishop Petero Mataca, who shocked many people last week with his claims that a delegation of church leaders, representing a variety of denominations, had been misled by Prime Minister Qarase about what the bill contained. At a meeting on May 2, Mataca said, the Prime Minister had told them about its compensation provisions, but had kept them in the dark about its amnesty clauses - which they learned about only later through the media. The clergymen had supported the bill at the time, he said, because they believed in reconciliation and forgiveness. The later revelations about the amnesty provisions had come as a complete surprise to them, he said. Archbishop Mataca condemned what he said was "a politically motivated bill" and called on the government to withdraw it. Rev. Josateki Koroi, the former president of the Methodist Church, which claims the membership of some two-thirds of indigenous Fijians, has also expressed grave reservations about the bill, saying that reconciliation cannot be legislated and must begin with true repentance on the part of the wrongdoer - something he believes has not happened.

Politicians opposed to the bill include the leaders of all of the Indo-Fijian dominated parties, including former Prime Minister Mahendra Chaudhry. Indigenous politicians to have spoken out against the bill include Senator Adi Koila Nailatikau (the daughter of former President Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara, who was deposed in the coup) and her brother-in-law, Ratu Epeli Ganilau, founder of the National Alliance Party and son of former President Ratu Sir Penaia Ganilau. Ganilau, a former military commander, has called it "an insult to the intelligence of ordinary people" and has warned that the armed forces could use it as a legal mechanism to remove a present or future government, while Nailatikau, who was kidnapped and held as a hostage by the insurrectionists, has said that if her father were alive, he would not approve of tampering with the course of justice.

One of the most strident voices raised against the legislation is that of the Military commander, Commodore Frank Bainimarama. Bainimarama, who organized a counter-coup to quash the Speight rebellion in 2000, has been making press statements on almost a daily basis since the middle of May, condemning the legislation as undermining the integrity of the military and the judiciary. He has made a number of veiled statements, interpreted by some politicians as threats, about what the military might do if the bill is passed. Last week, the Fiji Times, Fiji's oldest daily newspaper, quoted an anonymous source, which it claimed was reliable, that President Ratu Josefa Iloilo (who is rumoured to be against the legislation) had refused a government request to "discipline" Bainimarama. Under the Constitution, the President has very little political power but is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

Supporters of the bill include former Prime Minister Sitiveni Rabuka and some traditional chiefs.

Many Fiji citizens have been showing their support for the bill by wearing blue ribbons, or their opposition by wearing yellow ones.

Qoriniasi Bale said two days ago that unless opponents of the bill could make more constructive suggestions for improving it, parliament would most likely pass it without any changes.

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FBI's covert "Operation Site Down" targets top international warez and piracy sites

July 1, 2005

The U.S. Department of Justice has announced actions taken in eleven nations as part of the FBI's covert "Operation Site Down". The infiltration of so-called 'Topsites' resulted in searches, arrests, and seizures in Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Israel, the Netherlands, Portugal and Great Britain in addition to the United States.

Messages in response posted on a communications page for warez users read:

 * RiSCISO, Myth, TDA, LND, Goodfellaz, Hoodlum, Vengeance, Centropy, Wasted Time, Paranoid, Corrupt, Gamerz, AdmitONE, Hellbound, KGS, BBX, KHG, NOX, NFR, CDZ, TUN, and BHP were all hit, and were all hit hard.

 * EdN not pre'ing for awhile, investigations still going on!

An email lists people targeted, updated in Mountain Time (UTC-7) at 6:31pm, 6:36pm, 6:38pm. The last update is at 6:41pm.

The FBI began the sting in 2003, offering hosting for software cracks and movies. As the covert site infiltrated the underground warez and piracy community, it was repeatedly expanded to provide storage for an increasingly large collection of pirated material. Eventually it held some 27 terabytes of copyrighted files, including 188 copyrighted software titles valued at more than US$300,000.

In the U.S.A. William Venya, 34, of Chatworth, Calif., Chirayu Patel, 23, of Fremont, Calif., Nate Lovell, 22, of Boulder, Colo., and David Fish, 24, of Watertown, Conn were all arrested on criminal complaints of copyright infringement and conspiracy to commit copyright infringement.