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Talk:Pakistani Official claims 'foreign terrorists' among civilians killed in U.S. airstrike

Predator?
I looked at both the sources - where does it say that Predator UAVs were used in the attack? I'm going to remove this unless someone can point out where... I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing it, and in any case, this seems to be highly unlikely speculation.
 * While this is still speculation, it is not highly unlikely. The article should reflect that this cannot be assumed as a fact, so some reformulation is needed. As of the sources, I will add a related stories section, the wikinews stories of the last days back this. --vonbergm 17:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I also added a source that states the drone information. Also added the info back to article. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 17:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Target
The strike targetd Zawahiri...not the village. I am going to change it back to the other version until PROOF can be provided that the strike was "targeting the village" as you put it Vonbergm. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin
 * If "proof" is the standard, then we cannot use the word "target" at all. Also, as a matter of plain logic: When this missile was fired, the "target" that was programmed into the system was a location, not a person. Zawahiri did not have a homing device on him that would allow the missile to have him programmed in as a target. And if that does not suffice, below are quotes showing that other mews media have also now adopted this more responsible use of the word "target". --vonbergm 18:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? I have been watching the news all afternoon and they all have said and still say that Zawahiri is/was that target. Where/who are you getting that Info from?? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin
 * I changed this to "The attack took place in the village of Damadola..." as it seems to resolve this issue. Whether it were targeting terrorists or not - and logically, why would it not be? - the attack took place there.  Arguing the semantics of whether they programmed the buildings as the target or the people is pointless, in my opinion.  They would not blow up buildings for no reason, there had to have been someone inside they were intending to strike - whether that person was actually there or not is not the point in this issue. --LoganCale 08:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the comment is referring to a much earlier version of the article, I don't think anyone had objections to the use of the word target as it was in this version. --vonbergm 16:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

use of language
Even US media sources have now caught on to the idea that it is ludicrous to claim that a person that was not even near the location where the missiles exploded was the "target". I believe the the most neutral way to say this is that the village was the target, and this is also what the sources say, see e.g. MSNBC: "Pakistani intelligence officials have said Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden’s top lieutenant, had been invited to a dinner in the targeted village of Damadola to mark an Islamic holiday but did not show up and sent some aides instead." or Reuters: "The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the airstrike was based on "very good" intelligence indicating Zawahri was at the targeted location." --vonbergm 18:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)(forgot to sign earlier)
 * I am not going to go through this with you on this article. Zawahiri was the target and thats that. If you do not think so then delete the first related story because the title of that one states Zawahiri is the target. If I have to i will put another NPOV on this. Jason Safoutin 18:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Vonbergem (who forgot to sign his comments) is quite correct in this case. The technical definition of the "target" was not an individual, but – I presume – a specific set of GPS coordinates where that individual was expected to be.  --Brian McNeil / talk 18:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Brimanc, You are now disputing target, after you were the one who changed the previously disputed article headline to include the word target? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin
 * After vonbergem has brought up reasonable concerns about how it is being used, yes. I'd rather see things getting discussed reasonably than turning into heated discussion. I did the title change based on the content of the article and I did not go back to sources to verify it was an accurate representation of the story.  I've still not read the sources, and no I'm not saying don't use the same image again ever, I'm saying in this case don't because the photo looks like it came out of a "Guns 'r' Us" catalogue with the caption "Predator remote-controlled drone, Xmillion dollars." :-)  More seriously though, from checking the BBC RSS feed the story has moved on to the political consequences of the attack. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Another look at the article shows the protests story is linked to from the related section. Vonbergem, I'd expect that to mean that the amount that has to be said about the civilian deaths in this article isn't quite so much. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The civilians are not emphasized in the article because the emphasis is dead terrorists...not civilians. Are you disputing that too? If so I can put up a NPOV and take the publish off of it and we can go through this again and see the article chopped to bits for 1 1/2 days before the story is out-of-date...? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin
 * Brianmc, I am not sure what to do with the protest information. This is mostly information that is newer than the publishing date of the 'protest article', so it probably should not be moved to that article but stay in this one. However, there is the 'condemnation' article, and this info should probably be merged and cross referenced. About the civilian deaths, I agree that it is fine to merely mention this in this article, but this is pretty much how it is handeled right now (at least once the 'protest' section is moved/merged into the current condemnation article). --vonbergm 19:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Addendum: When writing I was not aware that DragonFire categorically edited out my edits. The comment I made on protests is thus obsolete, the current sentence on protests is plainly silly, if not deliberately misleading. --vonbergm 19:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the wording a little...if that looks better. If not then You can move/merge it with what you like. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 19:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

For convenience, here comes my suggestion on how to sanitize:
 * Tagetting language: My attempt to santizes the language in the first paragraph has been reverted. As it stands, this does not comply with NPOV policy as explained above. I will put the appropriate flags back in. --vonbergm 19:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Reports coming out of Pakistan say that at least 4 or 5 terrorists have been killed in the deadly U.S. airstrike that tageted the village of Damadola in the semi-autonomous agency of Bujar in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan, on January 14, 2006.
 * According to unnamed Pakistani intelligence officials, Al-Quedas number 2 man Ayman al-Zawahiri was invied to a dinner in the village for the time of the strike, but failed to show up."
 * --vonbergm 19:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Zawahiri was the target. Thats what the headline says thats what the sources say and thats what the related other 1 1/2 day disputed article says. I am not going to allow you to continue these unnecessary disputed. Zawahiri was the target and thats based on FACTS. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 19:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sanatize? NO. What you suggest it be changed to is a NPOV. I will dispute what you suggest to be put there.
 * Correct, my formulation reflects a Neutral Point Of View. --vonbergm 19:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No it does not. You take out the FACT that Zawahiri was targeted. Thats not neutrality. You are continuously changing these articles to suit your POV on the victims. Well put all that in the article for the victims. I mention them in there 50/50. I think that you are purposely tagging the articles on this subject to push them out of the headlines/front page and out of view to suit your views. Some might think this is Anti-US. All you want is to show the POV of dead civilians. Thats not what the basis of these articles was about. We can dispute. And I continue to do so. BTW disputed articles CANNOT be on the front page/top story. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 20:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * (Why am I reluctant to wade into this, is it because DragonFire1024 can't compromise?) The missiles were obviously targeted at the villiage. Why the target selection, should be the focus. -Edbrown05 22:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well thats NOT the basis the article was started on. Zawahiri=the target. I will compromise when the headline is fair. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

use of images
Just because we have a picture of something that relates to the article does not mean we should use it. Pictures are powerful in that they can shift the focus of an article. For example, prominently displaying high-tech war imagery like the image of the predator drone while not showing images of the destruction or the victimes suggests that missile attacks are 'clean'. Imagine adding a picture of a child killed in a warzone to the article with text "Dead child similar to the one alleged in the air strike." I strongly suggest the picture of the drone be removed unless it is balanced with a picture of a victim. Similarly, I suggest Zawahiri's picture be removed, unless it is balanced with a picture of civilian victim (say before the death). --vonbergm 18:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The drone relates to the story. As long as the caption says similar then I think its ok. I am not going to allow you to chop up this article like you did the 18 dead article which kept it in dispute for nearly 2 days. I vote the drone to stay. Last I checked the other picture was a Map of Pakistan. On the front page it was breaking news picture. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 18:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The drone has already been used on a prior article, and I don't think it is a particularly good picture. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh so just because its used in one article it cannot be used again? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin

Re-placement of tag
Whilst I agree this shouldn't have been up as lead, I think it is time to let this go to published and pass into history. Otherwise, please specify what is wrong with the article in relation to the sources it cites and the story it sets out to tell. As far as I can see at the moment the civilian casualties are covered in another story, and prominently linked to from this one. If there's anything else wrong with it I'd like to know. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As I have explained extensively, the language in the first paragraph violates NPOV. My attemt to sanitize has been reverted without a convincing reason. (I have displayed the sanitized version above for convenience.) --vonbergm 21:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I made a request for this dispute to be looked at by sever admins. to determine the next course. I believe that --vonbergm is PURPOSELY causing a severe NPOV on articles of this subject. I believe he is PURPOSELY tagging articles and disputing them to be unpublished and disputed for almost 1 1/2 days before ignoring the dispute and allowing the article to publish, only after the news is much too old. He then went on to create articles showing the exact opposite of this POV. This is a major problem. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 21:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Vonbergm, I DISAGREE with your suggestion. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 21:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * DragonFire1024, I believe you are (hopefully) UNINTENTIONALLY looking for a fight. Please don't.  This doesn't need an appeal to admins to resolve it, it needs people being reasonable. I find the proposed edit from Vonbergem pretty reasonable, it delivers the facts without actually biasing them in any way. --21:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with his suggestion based on: 1) Zawahiri was the target. 2) The article was created and reported on the basis of Terrorists being killed, not civilians 3) There is another article, that Vonbergm can use his emphasis on dead civilians 4) I beleive that he is doing this intentionally and it needs to stop. I believe he has A) politically modivated agenda and not a reporting agenda. Wikinews is not a place to subject users to your political beliefs. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 21:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am calm. But I refuse to let people distroy valid news articles. I am not going to comment anymore until an administrator can look at the current situation. I am sorry. But I feel as if the past 3 days I have been attacked and I feel as if the hard work of Wikinewsies is being tampered with and warped. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not, in my opinion, the purpose or within the authority of an administrator to decide whether or not an article has a neutral point of view. Editors must collaborate to produce fact-based, near-NPOV news articles. Please attempt to reach consensus (where even if you don't completely agree, you're willing to accept another POV rather than block the publication of an article). If the edit warring continues on this article, I will consider protecting it until you guys can get together... --Chiacomo (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I favor protection of the article. I see nothing worng with it. All I see is a personal agenda going on here. Unless anyone can come up with a VALID basis to remove FACTUAL information then I vote to have it protected. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no vote for protection... and an article protected due to edit warring will not be published until the contributors work out their differences and produce an article that is acceptable to all. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Terrorists?
Is the word terrorists good to use? Is the Pakistan officials statement followed by any substance? What if the 'five foreign elements' was Afganistan civilians, maybe relatives visiting Pakistan? My guess is that the border is frequently crossed by many civilians that can be mistaken for extremists from Afganistan International 21:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sources in the article state terrorists. If terrorists was taken out of the article then its an edit violation based on the fact this article is in dispute. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 21:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about, 'edit violation'? International 21:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * articles cannot be edited while in dispute. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 21:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * International, how about "suspected terrorists" instead of terrorists. I believe this is the most accurate description and should also settle your concerns. --vonbergm 21:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Vonbergm, that more accurate, ok for me. International 22:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * My concerns will not be settled until an administrator or administrators can look into possible SEVER NPOV. I believe this dispute is an attempt at trying to display a political agenda. Vonbergm put this article in dispute for no reason. I want this article to be looked at along with the other one that was in dispute for 1 1/2 days. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That is not what I know anything about, can you point at any policy suporting this statement? International 22:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Excript from Wikinews Neutral POV policy:

"The policy of having a neutral point of view is not to hide different points of view, but to show the diversity of viewpoints. In case of controversy, the strong points and weak points will be shown according to each point of view, without taking a side. The neutral point of view is not a "separate but equal" policy. The facts, in themselves, are neutral, but the simple accumulation of them cannot be the neutral point of view. If only the favourable facts of a point of view are shown in an article, the article will still be non-neutral." I particularly concerned with the last statement. The article and the one in dispute for 1 1/2 days were factual enough for publishing until they were severely chopped up and then eventually reverted and edited to a point where he ignored the article because his was published already while the disputed article was tucked away. The breaking news that was origianally reported as Zawahiri possibly dead went to 18 dead in pakistan...all in the same article... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you have to calm down! Reread my objection and find the policy I asked for. This is not. By the way, after looking at some of your edits I recomend you to read what you copy and past! International 22:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I might been unclear. I was just not sure what 'edit violation' in an disputed article is. I am not talking about npow but why I cant edit now when it is disputed. International 23:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * NO EDITS AT ALL are to be made on disputed articles.
 * Exactly that is what I dont find in any policy. Enlight me if im wrong! International 00:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There are "sources" (unnamed) that names some terrorists that were either 1) killed in attack 2) suspected of being there and survived. I have the sources for the names. But there is no confirmation of them being there...should I add this new info? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you link the sources here, and propose your changes to the article. If this is new news, perhaps you should create a new article? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sources for possible named terrorists.

1. * I do not know if there are anymore sources for the terrorists names. I just have this one so far. I think the news is just coming out. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is plenty of other news sources out there that mention the same name. Since this is information newer than the publishing date of this article I recommend to put this into a new article. --vonbergm 22:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Correct information in sources?
This is Reuters source. 'As political agent, Wazir is the top federal government officer in the tribal agency'. I think its dubious and untill more independent sources or 'facts' surface this article mybee contains false information. International 22:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree...thats why I am calling for admin review. That was placed in there by the one disputing the article. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, a quick serach on google news reveils that many news sources have reported this, in particular the Pakistani ones (who should probably know this best). International, if you deem this necessary, just add one of these to the sources (for example )

--vonbergm 22:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Now Im litle confused. What Im saying is that gruond for the article maybe is untru. My argumentation is that, as I understand, the only source saying that 4-5 terrorists was among the killed is Wazir. He might have a political agenda as he is a 'political agent','top federal government officer' and maybe not a good source if hi is the only one. What I imply is that if there is terrorists killed among the civilians US will come out in a 'better light' than if there is only civilian victims. It is a cynical mediawar also...International 23:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the only sources as far as I can tell. Thus the article should reflect this by clearly attributing the statement to Wazir and not making a statement about its merits. The article (except for the title is (used to be??) phrased that way. As for the word 'agent', I believe this is simply part of the title for this government position. --vonbergm 23:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Late addition: The title should be changed to singular to properly reflect this. Of course that still leaves the "target" issue.... --vonbergm 23:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no issue with the title. You need to stop this constant NPOV. this is rediculous. I cannot believe you would prolong this story ot any story like this. Zawahiri was the target so get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 23:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The village was hit, Zawahiri was not hit. Proper title is inkluding village, not Zawahiri. Thats my opinion. International 23:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok well then all the sources are wrong and the previous story is worng....He was the target. Period. Unless you can show me sources that say otherwise, then you have no argument. He was the target now get over it. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No aaron. It does not. Zawahiri was the target. And unless you or anyone else in here can provide the proof I have asked for several times that Zawahiri was NOT the target.... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Title
My suggestion: "Pakistani Official claims 'foreign elements' among civilians killed in U.S. airstrike targeting village" International 00:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No...too long and makes no sense. This needs to end now. You need to show me proof of sources saying Zawahiri was not the target. You need to give basis for change of headline, there is none. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Noted International... I'm a bit late to the scene on this, but when I see 10-12 people of interest to the U.S. at the target, I'm thinking Zawahiri should be de-emphasized. (end now dragon, is that a demand?) -Edbrown05 00:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Pakistani Official claims 'foreign elements' among civilians killed in U.S. airstrike" is this sugestion better? International 00:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No the article was created on the basis of terrorists being killed due to and airstrike targeting Zawahiri...I will not change my view on the headline. If Zawahiri was not supposed to be there, then the strike would not have taken palce. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Litle rethorically, but can Zawahiri be in many houses at the same time? International 00:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * That title seems reasonable. While it could be disputed as to whether the target was the village or Zawahiri, it is not disputed that the village WAS hit, killing 18 villagers and 4-5 foreigners, and that Zawahiri was NOT hit, and is presumably still alive. This last title suggestion removes any claim about the target, and removes other POV terms, giving us readers as close to NPOV as we can get right now. Aaron Winborn 00:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Better headline International. They were terrorists? they were insurgents, they were enemy combatants, they were foreign elements. Wikinews is positioning itself to serve as a world news source. What adjective is best and quickly understood? Except for the fact that 'foreign element' sound a little like something unwanted in my cereal bowl, I can live with that. -Edbrown05 00:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No aaron. It does not. Zawahiri was the target. And unless you or anyone else in here can provide the proof I have asked for several times that Zawahiri was NOT the target... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin

 * Edbrown05, is "foreigners" better than "'foreign elements'" maybee? International 00:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Dragon/Jason, based on your tone and persistance, I see that you seem angry about this issue. I can understand why; this attack and its consequences have angered millions of people around the world for various reasons. Several people here have stated they believe the current title to be POV, and you are currently about the only person on this page voicing the opposite. So that we can all move forward, would you be able to come up with a title that you believe to be more NPOV? Aaron Winborn 00:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No Internationl, I think you got it good as it gets. -Edbrown05 00:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No he did not getr it right. The title is FINE the way it is. I want to see Zawahiri and target in there like they are now. If the headline gets changed while I am disputing this then I will voice that concern to the admins. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Done, and I think the article is good now. But someone else may publish it if agree that there is concensus for publishing. International 01:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

political agent
Edbrown05, thanks for helping out to clean this up. A couple of issues. 'Political agent' is part of the title for the head of an 'agency' (this is what these regions are alled in Pakistan). I recomment wikipedia or the sources for more information on this (or the link I provided in the earlier discussion about this topic). About the first paragraph. I object to the notion that Zawahiri was the "target" of the missile strike. This formulation is factually wrong (the target was the village, or houses in the village, and not Zawahiri, after all this is why the missiles hit the village and not Zawahiri) and only serves to advance the POV that it was not clear from the beginning that civilians will be killed. --vonbergm 00:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand better now about 'Political Agent', thanks. The try I made in the 1st graph was to take a baby step to establish the village as the target, why it was the target needs to be answered. -Edbrown05 00:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the 'foreign elements" and Zawahiri need to be cited. -Edbrown05 00:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Protection
I have called for this article to be protected due to editing while under dispute. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't yet see a need to protect the article. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I do. I will not allow facts to be distorted and the article to be completely changed because of someones political beliefs. See: U.S. airstrike targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri leaves 18 dead in Pakistani village edit history. Look how long it was INTENTIONALLY kept in dispute to favor this article: Protests erupt in Pakistan over US air strike and: Pakistanis condemn US airstrike. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 00:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

headline disputed
This headline was changed AGAINST the user talk page. An agreement was NOT reached. Articles cannot be edited while disputed. I will inform admins of this. This is unfair. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please cite applicable policy as I cannot find anything restricting the community's right to edit an article while disputed. Perhaps I'm overlooking it. Several administrators are following the discussion on this talk page. It is not our place to decide what has a Neutral Point of View (any more than any other editor). Please attempt to reach consensus. I won't express my personal feelings except to say that this topic is "touchy" and it might be best to strictly "stick to the facts" as presented in the source material. --Chiacomo (talk) 01:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is unfair. I will hold my dispute. This title is NOT FACTUAL. I will add misleading to the article if necessary. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What isn't factual about the title. Let's keep very close to the source material and explain it to me... I know that the quote from the Pakistani official did not use the word "terrorist". --Chiacomo (talk) 01:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone watch the news? go to other news sites? Look at the sources...THE VERY FIRST SOURCE STATES TERRORISTS. I mean lets be fore real people. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute that they were terroists -- but the Pakistani offical never used that word that I can find. How about "Pakistani official claims 'foreign elements' among those killed in U.S. airstrikes" ? --Chiacomo (talk) 01:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What does that headline have to do with the basis of the article when it was created? DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The original article that you created said that "reports indicate ... ". Those reports were based on statements by the Pakistani official, apparently. --Chiacomo (talk) 01:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The first source says 4 or 5 terrorists.

'''FACT: Zawahiri was the target. Not the village and not the civilians '''FACT: 4 or 5 TERRORISTS were killed saying anything else away from that, basing those facts on the sources as you said, would make the title misleading and one-sided in my opinion. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * How about this..."Pakistani Official claims 'foreign terrorists' and civilians among those killed in U.S. airstrike targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri"... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

foreign elements / terrorists
How should the first sentence be reconciled with the new headline? -Edbrown05 01:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It also goes against what the article was created on. The headline is MISLEADING. There was NOTHING wrong with the last title. I will NOT accept a title that does NOT include the FACTUAL info like before DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does a Pakistani or U.S. official describe person(s) at the target as terrorists? -Edbrown05 01:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Al-Queda operatives maybe? -Edbrown05 01:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They don't. The sources say Zawahiri was the target. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

What about:

"Reports coming out of Pakistan say that at least 4 or 5 foreigner have been killed in the deadly U.S. airstrike on Friday that tageted the village of Damadola in the semi-autonomous agency of Bujar in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan. It is unclear if the foreigner have anyting to do with alledged terrorist activity"

International 01:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I did NOT put: "It is unclear if the foreigner have anyting to do with alledged terrorist activity" in the article. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I do think that the Pakistani official labelled them as "terrorists". Therefore, it would be appropriate usage.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Im not sure about that MrM, but many take it as a fact without asking.International 01:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well "terrorists" is a fact. The sources in the article state that. The official is a person, and the article said earlier, before it was torn up, that: "Citing pakistani officials remaining annomyous due to the sensitivity..." That is as good as saying a prper name. Its not speculation. SOURCES SAY TERRORIST. Sources also state, again, Zawahiri was/is the target. Previous title "Pakistani Officials say at least 4 terrorists killed in U.S. airstrike targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri" fits the best. or something VERY VERY close to that title. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 01:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Musharraf used the generalization "foreign terrorists" in the Pakistanis condemn US airstrike report. -Edbrown05 01:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * but we are talking about the 4-5 alledged killed foreign elements that Wazir says and he is not using the word terrorists as I can see International 01:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I would still like to see something about Zawahiri in the title. I still do not like the new title. Ok. look they are terrorists. International, Site the source where you state that they are NOT terrorists. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think article is good to publish. -Edbrown05 02:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Not me. The headline is still not right...still too one sided. I just do not think its "factual" enough. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I cant see that Wazir use the word terrorist. Where and when is Musharraf cited and used the word terrorist. If Musharraf us it generally in a earlier stage of this storys development it sholdnt be mixed in with Wazirs quote as a fact. If it is so this is not good journalism. I like to get sourcese that for sure make it clear that Pakistani official use the word terrorist about this 4-5 foreiners specifically mentionde by Wazir by any other Pakistani official after his statement. International 02:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * read the sources. how about this title: "Pakistani Official claims 'foreign terrorists' and civilians among those killed in U.S. airstrike targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC) (needed to log in)
 * If sources can be updated, you will also see that the US does NOT think Zawahiri is dead.... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * So why should Zawahiri be in the headline, he ain't dead. -Edbrown05 02:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Because thats what the strike was targeting!. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I do hope that some real terrorists was hit. It will make me feel as much better as a fart in space bearing in minde all innocent civilian killed. But I also see as i said earlier that it is a war in media to and US have plenty more to lose if no dead terrorist can be proved.International 03:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

published International 03:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

please just stop it!!! i know people from pak!

Published under dispute

 * I had to go to bed. That gives you NO right to publish an article under MAJOR dispute. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 20:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

iam just going to wait out the bizaare afternoon on wiki news like jason argueing with hell everyone! later --FragileFrigateBird 20:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not waiting out anything. This artile was published under dispute. I am not happy with the headline that in my opinion is not enough. I have said again and again that Wikinews is not a place to vopice your personal political agenda. We are here to report the news. Not change it. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 20:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * If you say so...I still dispute however. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 22:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Stop Loss

This page coordinates efforts to retain individuals who have made a noticeable contribution to the community, but appear to no longer be editing, usually through the sending of friendly "Stop Loss" emails to users who disappear for an extended period of time. Such emails consist of a short, personal, and friendly message thanking them for their past contributions, and expressing a hope that they continue to edit in the future.

Here the notion of "noticeable contribution" is necessarily subjective; however, one criteria would be writing two or three normal length Wikinews articles, one long and indepth article, or doing any original reporting.

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Missing Editors
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 * 1) user:NGerda - From what i can tell, didn't like switch from PD - CC-BY - Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * At never again wiki. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Mailed Editors
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 * 1) DV  - see his talk page ( I have not linked to it because I don't know how to spell his name, but he was an extremly valuable contributer) (left pretty much when I was just reading and not contributing, so not 100% sure) Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)  Altered by Nyarlathotep 18:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've sent the following, not sure its personal enough, but hey. Nyarlathotep 17:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello, I only joined wikinews about the time you left, but I'm the one sending out "Stop Loss" emails, so your hearing from me. :)  We seem to be having an interesinting spike in readership now, although its not really translatinng into an increased number of articles yet.  Anyway, drop by & say hello to people if you have the time,  Jeff
 * 1) MateoP  Is he just absent due to moving or related?  No edits since Jan 6th.  Nyarlathotep 18:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * i've sent the following. Nyarlathotep 17:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, we've noticed your absence on wikinews for the past month, and the corresponding drop in South American news coverage. I vageuly recall that you were moving, so I'm not sure if you've got internet & such set up yet, but I doubt you'll mind getting the one "Stop Loss" email.   Anyway, drop by if you have the time,  Jeff
 * Nope, I stopped coming here due to a general eurocentric attitude of contributors as well as a perceived top-down structure formed by the administrators that I disagree with. I might start working with the spanish wikinews when i have more time.  --MateoP 18:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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 * Hey, I noticed you haven't edited in two weeks. I really liked your work on _story_.  Hope to see you around!
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Talk:Iran lifts ban of CNN

As far as I know, Ahmadinejad did not annouce the ban - at least, I haven't seen that in any of the sources. Where did that come from? --LoganCale 19:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. You are right. i changed it to say that he said in a letter to the cultural ministry...which IS factual. Sorry about that. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin

Category
edit protected Please add this article to Category:CNN. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 01:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Southampton contemplate Theo Walcott transfer

January 17, 2006

Southampton bosses are now contemplating the sale of one of their top players, 16-year old to the highest bidder. Currently,, and  have put in bids for the player, although he admits that he wants to transfer to his childhood dream-club, Arsenal.

Walcott and his family are keen to take his current skills to an even higher plataeu, and feel that only this kind of skill could be achieved with Arsenal, despite the fact that other clubs have offered to outbid Arsenal. He is likely to make the move to Arsenal's squad when his current contract runs out on his 17th Birthday.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is as happy about the move as Walcott himself is. Despite the fact Southampton has released no details of the proceedings, Wenger let slip that the deal was almost done, after revealing he was buying "two and a half" players;, — Walcott being referred to has the "half". When interviewed on his interest in the striker, he revealed that he had been watching him and was a big admirer

 * "He's a quality player, I rate him personally, and we're currently looking at him. ... Ideally we would want Theo to join us straight away but it would not be a deal-breaker if Southampton say they want him to finish the season there."'"


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Talk:Australians unite against whaling in Southern Ocean

POV
Remember, the actual meaning of the word slaughter is: "the killing of animals, generally for food". Any use of it not in this context can be taken as POV, so please think about the revision of the word choices. Additionally, this article heavily relies on items from Greenpeace, which could imply this article is in endorsement of their activities. Statements like these: "Despite international condemnation, Japan plans to double its annual catch of minke whales to 850" need to be attributed (as to whom condemned them). Also, statements like these do not comply to the NPOV policy: "Japan abandoned commercial whaling in 1986, in line with an international moratorium, but began catching whales again the following year for what it calls scientific research". The use of "what it calls" is POV in this statement. There are many more occurrances of these examples in this article, which do need to be fixed before this article can be published. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 21:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Do we have to go through this EVERY time I publish a story about this...? "Slaughtering" whales is exactly what the Japanese Whaling fleet is doing. They are killing 1000 whales for what they call research, yet the meat is sold to restaurants. My article explains this. The article is ABOUT Greenpeace's actions, and the unification of Australian activists, the anti-whaling activites in other countries, and the ongoing protest. Furthermore, the "international condemnation" is explained later in the article with some 17 countries signing. Furthermore, Japan calls the whaling "scientific research" - whereas the rest of the world calls it "commercial whaling in disguise". Did you read the article? Please untag this article. --elliot_k 01:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I will not, until you take some of my suggestions seriously. All problems with this article are well documented above.  Please attain to them.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * This is outrageous and insults my intelligence! I have replied to your suggestions, offered explanations to your demands. Yet you virtually disrgard my response. I really don't understand what you want me to do? I am confused and offended by you action. --elliot_k 01:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It is clear and set in stone. I have expressed what is wrong with providing examples, provided solutions to them, and you continue to ignore them by complaining.  That will not work anymore.  You should know of the policies of this site by now.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 03:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Excuse me. What is clear and set in stone? Please be specific and reply to my response. I have every right to complain when you refuse to elaborate your claims. I am confused and disillusioned by your action, Mrmiscellanious. --elliot_k 04:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Breakdown of POV concerns
MrM, thanks for detailing your concerns about this article. I've broken them down into separate sections so we can discuss them more easily. - Borofkin 03:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Use of word "slaughter"

 * MrM says: Remember, the actual meaning of the word slaughter is: "the killing of animals, generally for food". Any use of it not in this context can be taken as POV, so please think about the revision of the word choices.

I seem to remember this being discussed on a previous article, however it appears that it is still unresolved. My personal opinion is that "slaughter" is an appropriate word to use, even if there is not consensus that the animals are being killed for food. In general usage "slaughter" is synonymous with "killing". Um, is "killing" what you would prever instead? - Borofkin 03:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Indeed. the word "slaughter" is widely used by all media outlets who report on this issue. The only mob who seem not to refer to the killing of whales for food - is the Japanese whalers, and the Japanese Government. The word choice is deliberate and semiotically intentional - The Japanese are killing large numbers of animals for food. How many times do I need to explain this? --elliot_k 04:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Killing is much more appropriate. "Slaughter" is a slanderous term in much reporting; and I do think it was used in a negative light here.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 17:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * As I stated, the word "slaughter" is used by just about every other media outlet, as well as the 17 Governments, who, this week, officially referred to the killing of nearly a thousand whales as "unjustified and unnecessary slaughter which is regarded by many countries as a means to by-pass the IWC (International Whaling Commission) moratorium." Sure its a loaded word, but its an apt and widely used description of, as you say in your initial complaint "the killing of animals, generally for food". If I'd used the term violent massacre, I'd say you have a point. But slaughter is the correct term here. --elliot_k 02:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Reliance on items from Greenpeace

 * MrM says: Additionally, this article heavily relies on items from Greenpeace, which could imply this article is in endorsement of their activities.

Items from Greenpeace? Do you mean quotes, claims, etc? Greenpeace seem to have the most to say about the issue, so there will always be lots from them to report. What would you like changed to fix this? More quotes/claims from the Japanese government? - Borofkin 03:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * So, by your logic, MrMiscellanious, there should be NO statements, quotes or claims by Greenpeace - or anybody else for that matter - simply because it may "imply endorsement"? Should we not report on what people say because Wikinews might be seen to "endorse" a certain POV? Please explain yourself clearly. Why can I not use "items" from Greenpeace? Which "items" are you referring to?--elliot_k 04:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I am saying that this article heavily relies upon Greenpeace as its source, and it does portray them in a positive light for them "leading the way", so to speak. I'm sure there are other groups that are equally involved in these actions.  This is quite evident in the article that Greenpeace is the "leader".  That is a violation of the NPOV policy.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 17:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Which sentences portray Greenpeace in a positive light? What would you like changed to fix this? Remember, things that are obvious to you may not be obvious to other contributors. - Borofkin 23:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Attribution of claims

 * MrM says: Statements like these: "Despite international condemnation, Japan plans to double its annual catch of minke whales to 850" need to be attributed (as to whom condemned them).

This is fair enough I suppose, except that the fact that there has been international condemnation of Japan's whaling activities is not disputed by anyone, including Japan. - Borofkin

 * As I explained in an earlier response to you, Mrmiscellanious, there is a whole section in the article which reports on 17 countries condeming the practice: "Meanwhile, Australia, Britain, Brazil, France and Germany were among 17 countries calling on Japan this week, to halt to its Antarctic whaling program." Furthermore the condemnation is sourced. What more do you want, my good friend? (By the way its actually 930 Minke Whales. And I need to correct this.)--elliot_k 04:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, but you don't specifically state whom and when they said so. These are imperative in your reporting.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 17:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Huh? I did. And there's a whole section on the subject. I even lised the countries that signed a statement to the Japanese government this week. I'm wondering if you've read the article in its entirety. I am trying to be diplomatic and nuetral here. But the bias is always going to portray Japan in a negative light - simply because what they are doing is illegal and the story itself is ABOUT the protest. I just don't get what your demands are?--elliot_k 02:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Use of statement "What it calls"

 * MrM says: Also, statements like these do not comply to the NPOV policy: "Japan abandoned commercial whaling in 1986, in line with an international moratorium, but began catching whales again the following year for what it calls scientific research". The use of "what it calls" is POV in this statement.

I do not agree. Japan calls it scientific research, many others call it commercial whaling. This seems like appropriate attribution of a claim to me. - Borofkin 03:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes. Japan calls it "research" - everybody else calls it commercial whaling in disguise. The article states: "Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research says its whaling is legal and scientifically necessary for sustainable resource management. But critics say Japan is off-loading whale meat for consumption." What do you want me to do? Remove all references to the protest. I can't do this because the story is ABOUT the protest. PLEASE REMOVE THE NPOV tag...--elliot_k 04:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you feel that you have adequately addressed MrM's concerns here on the talk page, you can remove the tag yourself. It is generally considered polite to wait for MrM to remove it, but this is not required by policy. Of course, he may come along and immediately re-tag it. Hopefully he will also respond to your defence of the article as it stands. - Borofkin 04:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Even better would be to remove the tag AND make some edits that may appease MrM, such as expanding the "Japan defends whaling". MrM, in my opinion, should also do this when re-tagging: by all means re-tag, but try to make some edits to the article that address some of your concerns. - Borofkin 04:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I do believe the last time I edited one of Elliot K's articles, I was profoundly met with complaining on my edits. Therefore, since he did not welcome my help in the past, I don't wish to edit another article that he started.  However, I don't give up on Wikinews - and articles must be brought to attention if they do not adhere to policies.  Similarly, tagging articles are just as important as working on them, if not more important.  They point out to the originating authors what was wrong with the article in context of our policies.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 17:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I certainly encourage you to continue tagging articles that you consider to be POV, and participating on the talk page, as you have done with this article. However, you should also edit articles to fix things that you think are wrong, otherwise we cease to be a Wiki. If everyone didn't edit for fear of ending up in conflict with another contributor, there would be very little of anything going on. - Borofkin 23:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Re-Edited
I've hacked a new version. Added more information and sources. Also elaborated on the Japanese whaling industies defence. Added Related Wikinews. Hopefully this is all okay with the elusive MrM now?--elliot_k 06:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I have not seen any responses to my claims, other than "so what?" (for a lack of a better term). My concerns are brought by policy, and the responses/promises of the edits have not been addressed in the new version.  This article remains in development, with the NPOV tag intact.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 17:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Organizational edit
I plan to re-organize this article, address NPOV concerns, and get it published. I propose to reorganize it in the following layout:

 * Introduction
 * International day of action
 * Australia
 * New Zealand
 * Background
 * International views
 * Japan's views
 * Green Peace's actions
 * Related news
 * Sources

Presuming there is no issues with this, I'm going to start now. Contact me via IRC if you want to break into it. (I can always be reverted easily at a later point, if this is not acceptable to all.) -  Amgine | talk en.WN 02:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you really think that it is cool to be whaling! It is not! Care more about your environment and the environment your children are going to live in!


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re name up?

categories and images???
if you have time that would really help the article thanks all Wasteman!

new title?
any ideas? Wasteman

developement
who were the terrorist that captured her, when was she captured, where was she captured, how was she captured, and why seems addressed to a bare minimum extent -68.232.153.54 22:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

the yahoo! news article will tell you i should get around to it but kind of tight tonight sorry... minimal i agree should really go... replies???
 * Understood, thanks for the heads up -Edbrown05 22:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Looks like someone is picking it up, but it'd be nice to see you do the whole thing yourself rather than just try and decide what news we report on. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Terrorists threaten to kill U.S. journalist sounds ???
Abductors threaten u.s. to kill u.s. jouralist jason reread your title??? replies???

the title after jason is done needs rewriting. how is major edit?


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Should quotation be altered, even slightly and for "cleanliness", in a news piece?
 * You can put [sic] in for horrid grammar or use the same to insert omitted words where its omission makes the quote near-incomprehensible. Otherwise, stick what you're looking to do here on the talk page and see what other people can come up with. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Is unsightly the correct word? unsightly - Unpleasant or offensive to look at. Maybe ugly or unbecoming or tasteless?

"unsightly"
"offensive language and conduct" puts it better, i think.

i think "Ferguson and Rooney were pushed to their limits of patience", and "temper boiled" should be toned to be more "neutral"/"objective". Doldrums 10:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Category
editprotected Please at Category:Manchester United. Calebrw (talk) 23:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
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Abductors of American journalist Jill Carroll release videotape with demands

January 17, 2006 The abductors of American journalist released today a silent 20-second video of the abducted journalist on Al-Jazeera television news channel. Along with the video came a statement demanding the United States release all female prisoners in Iraq within 72 hours or they will kill her. Al-Jazeera has not revealed where the video was sent from.

In the video, Carroll is seated in front of a white background, apparently speaking, although the tape contained no sound. She appears pale and tired with long brown hair parted in the middle and pulled back from her face.

Carroll is a 28-year old freelance reporter working for the  newspaper in Iraq since October 2003. She was kidnapped on January 7 in one of Baghdad's most dangerous neighborhoods. Just after leaving the office of a Sunni Arab politician, Adnan al-Dulaimi, her car was ambushed by gunmen who killed her Iraqi translator. The driver got away unharmed as he was pulled from the car by the gunmen who then drove away with the vehicle.

Carroll's family has issued a statement pleading for mercy. Both Al-Jazeera and the editors of the Boston, Massachusetts-based paper have also called for her safe release.

According to, a Paris, France-based advocacy group, Carroll is the latest of 31 journalists to be abducted in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. Six journalists have been killed by abductors, according to the.


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demands their you go tuf...

copyvoid???
any cleanup needed in case of copyvoid i guess jason is still working it might take awhile but a time frain anyone?? breaking news any reporters standing by please work on this to make categories images and published... thanks


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User talk:Jimi~enwikinews

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay! If you haven't done so already, you may want to create an account.

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Jimi. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Jimi~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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