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User talk:65.64.77.126

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Possible 'mastermind' of London bombings captured in Egypt

July 15, 2005

The alleged mastermind behind the London bombings was reported captured in Cairo, Egypt last week. Police believe that a U.S. trained chemist, Magdi Asdi el-Nashar, 33, helped build the bombs that killed over 50 people.

Mr. el-Nashar, who has a PhD from Leeds University, left England two weeks before the bombings. After the London bombings, British authorities initiated a worldwide manhunt that found him in Cairo. State security officials reported they have begun questioning el-Nashar with British agents in attendance.

Mr. el-Nashar arrived in Britain in October 2000 to study for his doctorate, which he was awarded in May. A university spokesperson said he was doing "environmentally friendly research involving chemically inactive substances."

The Egyptian interior ministry has said "[Mr] el-Nashar denied having any relation with the latest events in London. He pointed out that all his belongings remained in his apartment in Britain."

Friends of Mr. el-Nashar said he “was well-liked and showed no interest in politics.” His friend, Kadhem Al-Rawi, a doctor in Islamic Principles at the European Institute of Human Sciences in Wales said "He had a great personality. You would never ever expect this kind of action from him. Impossible." This is a recurring theme heard from many of the suspected bombers, families and friends. Many believed the suspects had little or no motive to carry out the attacks.

BBC security correspondent, Gordon Corera, said it was believed that Mr. el-Nashar handed over keys to a house in Leeds that was used by the bombers. British police are searching a house in Leeds linked to Mr. el-Nashar, although he is not yet formally named a suspect. He told questioners that he was on holiday in Egypt and left all his belongings in his apartment, but his plans were to return to Britain.

The alleged involvement in the attacks by Mr. el-Nashar is yet unclear. Police said they were hunting financiers, supporters and chemists who assembled the bomb used in the attacks.

Explosives
A man injured in the bus bombing in Tavistock Square died in hospital on Thursday, bringing the number of confirmed victims to 51. Three of the bombers have also been confirmed dead, with the fourth also thought to have died.

Sources have told the BBC that explosives found in one of the homes is from ingredients available from high-street chemists.

They were the same kind of explosive Richard Reid had in his shoes when he tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001.

Anti-terrorist agencies are worried other "educated amateurs" could try to make more of the explosive, as the risk of accidents in the manufacturing process is very high.

Al-Qaeda operative
A suspected al-Qaeda member may have entered Britain via a Channel port two weeks before the bombs, but was not kept under surveillance. The man apparently left Britain hours before the blasts.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair said there was nothing connecting the man to the plot, but added that investigators expected to find evidence linking al-Qaeda to the attacks. He said the bombers were only the "foot soldiers" of the operation and the mastermind was still being sought.

"What we've got to find is, who encouraged them, who trained them, and who's the chemist," he said.

He said police would also work with the Muslim community, which he said had been "close to denial" about extremist preachers, to defeat terrorism. "We will break this horror that has descended upon us," he said.

Suspects
The current suspects for carrying out the London bombings are:

 * Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
 * Hasib Mir Hussain (confirmed): Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
 * Shehzad Tanweer (confirmed): Aged 22, born Bradford, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
 * Lindsey Germaine: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.


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User talk:Scareylinda

Hi there, I have nothing against your sentiments at all, but Wikinews is a news organisation and what you have submitted isn't news, it belongs on a blog, discussion board or somewhere else. Perhaps you could find some news stories that will help promote reconciliation and unity, there are guidelines about what will be accepted here at the write/edit article area. Thanks ClareWhite 12:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

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Yankees power surge blacks out Sox relief in 8-6 win

July 15, 2005

The race in the AL East is alive and well.

The New York Yankees mounted a comeback from an early 4-0 deficit to beat the Boston Red Sox, 8-6, last night, and reduce the Sox' AL East division lead to a mere 1.5 games. The key was the Yankees' hot bats. The Bronx Bombers hit 4 homeruns in total, the last one a thunderous 2-run blast by Alex Rodriguez off converted Red Sox starter Curt Schilling, who was in his first appearance as a relief pitcher after his rehab stint in the minors.

Boston jumped out to a quick 4-0 lead against Yankees starter Mike Mussina, establishing the sort of lead that would usually cause the Yankees to fold during the first half of the season. However, the torrid hitting of the Yankee lineup over the last two weeks would not allow that. Mussina adjusted to the tight strike zone as the game progressed, allowing just one run over the next five innings, and the Yankees chipped away at the BoSox' lead. Bernie Williams, Jason Giambi, and Gary Sheffield all hit solo shots off Red Sox starter Bronson Arroyo. At the end of the sixth inning the score was tied, 5-5, and both starters were done for the day. The game would come down to relief pitching.

David Ortiz put the Red Sox ahead in the bottom of the seventh, hitting a bases-empty home run off Tanyon Sturtze to push the score to 6-5. The Yankees rebounded in the top half of the eighth when Ruben Sierra, pinch-hitting for rookie CF Melky Cabrera, connected for a double, tying the game at 6-all.

Schilling came on in the top of the ninth and promptly hung a 2-2 splitter over the plate for Gary Sheffield, who lined a double off the wall in left-center. Rodriguez was up next, and hit another splitter that never split. The two-run homer gave the Yankees their first lead of the game. Mariano Rivera came on in the bottom of the ninth and silenced the Red Sox bats by striking out the side to end the game, recording his 21st save.

Boston has lost three straight games and is now 10 games over .500 at 49-39. The Yankees (47-40) have won 8 of 9 games dating back to before the All-Star break and currently sit in 3rd place, half a game behind 2nd-place Baltimore.

Notes: Rookie Yankees pitcher Chien-Ming Wang, who has been one of the Yankees' most consistent performers, has been placed on the 15-day DL with a shoulder injury. It has been speculated that Wang, who tore his labrum while in the minors, may be out for the season. Wang was slated to start tonight's game, but will be replaced by Tim Redding as he waits for an appointment with Dr. James Andrews on Monday...Former Red Sox manager Joe Kerrigan has been signed by the Yankees as an advance scout. General manager Brian Cashman has said that Kerrigan will be used to analyze film of opponents, not as a coach.


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Wikinews:Category Portals/Local

Please feel free to develop this proposal in any way you see fit, particularly on the technical side. Once developed, it will be moved to the Proposals space.

Portals, Neighbourhoods & Bureaus
This is a development of many different discussions called variously Portals, Neighbourhoods and Wikibureaus. This proposal combines all three ideas by making use of existing infrastructure, developing communities and developing local reporting.

Wikinews portals could become news homepages for communities: they could be based on regions, groups, schools etc. They would encourage grassroots journalism and bridge the gap between the international main page and community journalism.

Any category can become a Portal which has an editable structure to automatically maintain them. Portal pages also have a talk page, which can function as the local watercooler, and they can have a workspace of their own. Each Portal therefore has the potential to become a mini-Wikinews in its own right while also feeding stories to the main page. Portals differ from a community or wikicity in that users would be expected to uphold NPOV policies, though original reporting and photography would be encouraged and it would be accepted that news about, say, a school football club’s news would be written about that club without necessarily seeking the view of the opposing club.

The   template addresses the issue of community members writing about activities they are directly involved in which don't necessarily have any other sources. Although the communities would still help develop such stories, the tag helps explain that such stories are not necessarily 'journalism' in the traditional sense but are citizen reporting in the new sense.

How it would work
The advantage of linking Portals with already existing categories is that we don't have to build up a large amount of communities to make the project viable. We can switch to the new system and then draw attention to those that become active, but as the infrastructure is already there, people could simply make their presence known on portal pages they relate to and link with others without necessarily setting up a fully functional neighbourhood or bureau.

There will be three levels of activity:
 * The first level will be the simple category page, with latest stories from that category, with the capacity to have conversations on the discussion page, add photos etc as is already being done on some pages. We would hope that increasing numbers of users turn each portal into a more lively page than just an automated category.

 * The second level will be when users of a portal form an organised community, editing each other's articles and making use of resources such as advice sheets to bring in new users. Communities will have to be inclusive of all users, but the most likely viable model will be is if a group of individuals in the real world decide to make real use of the portals to create their own news neighbourhoods. They would preferably have one or more recognised ‘leaders’ to keep an eye on them and for new users to turn to. These developed portals should be promoted and encouraged by the Wikinews community as a whole and it would not be for ‘outsiders’ of each neighbourhood to comment on newsworthiness etc, each neighbourhood would be largely autonomous.

 * Level three provides one way of recognising commitment and professional reporting by awarding portals WikiBureau status. This will be conferred by consensus when a community is very highly developed, has produced a high level and quality of news (not necessarily of world interest) which showcases Wikinews policies and shows a track record of training and developing citizen journalism. WikiBureau status could help these developed groups to gain accreditation at local events and could potentially be useful in applying to local businesses for equipment or funding.

A few editors will need to be willing to keep an eye on the neighbourhoods to ensure that it remains a Wikinews site in essence, to weed out added content that is incredibly out of date (for example community leaders that have become inactive) and give help and encouragement to new ones.

Topic categories could become Portals in the same way. Topic Portals will nurture the talent of writers in particular specialisms. As well as following news in particular topics as they do now, Topic communities will be able to collaborate to improve the coverage of topics they are interested in. They could be awarded Bureau status in the same way for a track record of good stories in their field.

Benefits

 * The neighbourhoods would attract people to Wikinews, giving them a 'safe space' in which to start writing and empower them to create original news.
 * It would positively promote the creation of local news by giving small areas/groups a proper developed homepage.
 * If someone wants to report on the fast-rising mallard population on the local pond, that would be just fine. When a major gas explosion suddenly goes off down the road, Wikinews would hear about it first.
 * Editors of the neighbourhoods may wish to create user accounts for members and train them in using the site: giving physical instruction is a much preferred way than online guidelines for many people so we would have little nodules of trained Wikinewsies springing up all over the world. Hopefully.

Technical
The [Wikinews:Portal|Portal proposal} has in-depth instructions on turning a normal category page into a Portal. This gives a standard framework to build portals. If a community forms around a particular location or topic then the different ideas here can be used to maintain those communities and encourage them.

Use of templates to automate categorization
In the instance of commonly covered localities, a wiki template may be created, similar to Template:Publish that would automatically insert the appropriate categories into the article.
 * See Infoboxes for more information.

Workspaces
The Portal templates provide users with an automatic input-box which automatically adds the relevant category, but if a more comprehensive workspace is required then the Quaker's workspace provides a suggested model with its own style sheet, community sign-up area and develop/publish areas. These use the SpecialDevelop and SpecialPublish categories which keep the story inside its own portal - if someone wants to submit the story to the main page, they simply add Develop or Publish to propagate it to the main page.

Added features
Pages would be flexible like a userspace but the basic structure could include: Fully sourced and well written articles can also be considered for inclusion on the main page
 * welcome message and neighbourhood info
 * Latest headlines, including headlines from the main site that are of interest to the neighbourhood
 * Member usernames
 * Advice for new members wishing to submit news
 * News submission box (Example on the Quaker page)

Editors of these sites could make use of resources such as tipsheets to turn the headlines into a PDF and distribute them round their villages, colleges etc or the site could be used as a repository for paper publications and more chatty community websites or for ‘latest news’ pages on other websites which would not always be as easy to edit by all members of a group.

Promotion
On the main page, we would rotate attention round the communities in the same way as the Country of the Week and we could encourage development of stories to the extent where they can be published on the main page (can they have tags for ‘publish’ as well as remaining on their page?).

We could also promote and reward good writing, drawing good writers into the main Wikinews.

There are many potential publications that would benefit from this sort of news-gathering and approaching the community groups that run them could be one way to encourage development of communities. For example, ClareWhite works for a Quaker magazine. A portal for Quakers would be a good place for Quakers to submit and read news about their own community and some of it could be used in the magazine. We, like student newspapers, already run a form of citizen journalism (since 1843 in fact!) with unpaid contributors and a Wikinews page would give us a much better framework for gathering news.

Importantly, news stories could be compiled in the collaborative, consensual way of Wikinews. At the moment we run articles from people who send them to us and people lose trust in us if they think we are only giving one side. Wikinews gets round the problem of neutrality partly by inviting everyone to put the different sides of the story, with strict standards on sources and evidence to back up statements made. Giving open access to the draft of a story and inviting readers to make additions - stating their part in the story to the editor but potentially making anonymous contributions to the editor by email - could result in collaborative, balanced articles where all points of view are represented rather than the different sides having their say in different editions.

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China to launch second space mission in October

July 15, 2005

China looks to launch its second manned space mission in October, two years after its first flight, a newspaper reported Friday. The government planned to launch a two-man crew into orbit in September or October on a five to six day flight.

The capsule will "preferably be launched in early October," said Sun Weigang, the director of the Space Department of the, said in the report in the  newspaper. Chinese officials say to they plan to land an unmanned probe on the moon by 2010 and operate a space station.


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Wikinews talk:Category Portals/Local

This would be covered under Eloquence's Portal proposal. Looks like a great idea! -- NGerda 15:33, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I think that this proposal looks very good, and succinctly explains what we've been talking about for quite a long time. A few suggestions:
 * countries would be Category:CountryName
 * first-level country subdivisions (states, provinces) would be Category:State
 * cities or second-level subdivisions would be Category:City, State
 * sub-cities would be Category:Neighborhood name, City, State (i.e. Category:Belmont Heights, Long Beach, California

This model would allow the categorization to not overlap much between similar cities or neighborhoods around the world. Hopefully names of states won't overlap much, but we'll deal with conflicting state names when we get there.

I think that another part of the proposal needs to be that existing Wikinews editors and administrators need to keep out of neighborhoods, to some degree. They can help with organization of things, and enforce things like copyrights, but the neighborhoods would be responsible for their own NPOV and Not-News monitoring. Wikinews administrators could communicate problems with NPOV etc to some neighborhood reps.

So basically, a very-local story wouldn't give a Wikinews editor rights to dispute its newsworthiness or coverage angle, unless it was of wide (national, or international) importance. This will encourage some degree of autonomy for a community, and give the overall Wikinews the ability to grow these sub-communities organically. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:24, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Ilya - I see where you are going on trying to keep existing wikinews users a bit seperated... but for instance, what about those that want to get invovled in a specific neighborhood - I'm a Quaker, the example Clare has done is perfect for me... thereby, what? should I stay away cause I'm an admin and longtime contributer/lurker (depending on the month), to the site? Lyellin 16:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

 * No, no. I just didn't want the "international side" admins jumping in and reworking all sorts of neighborhood stories just because they know better: it's necessary to let communities develop on their own. If you fit into a particular community then by all means, please do participate! -- IlyaHaykinson 17:52, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * I assume this separation doesn't apply to NPOV editing, grammar/spelling issues and vanilla style issues such as categorization, interwiki linking (and overlinking) and correcting (mis-)use of wiki code. -- Davodd | Talk 03:44, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I would say that this separation does apply to NPOV editing (i.e. we should give the local community time to resolve NPOV issues... if it's biased, unlist it from prominent portal pages and slap a "friendly npov" tag on it). Same applies to technical problems, unless they prevent the article from appearing correctly. We should only really try to fix things that affect the operations of Wikinews as a whole, and instead try to instruct the community members to fix the problem themselves. This will encourage community growth, imho. -- IlyaHaykinson 06:16, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

I've added a new category and template for community stories and added the following suggested policy to the Quaker's workspace:
 * Sometimes you will be reporting an event that you were personally involved with, that has no sources other than what you write. If this is the case, add the tag to your story.

ClareWhite 14:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:local
Thought this discussion was more relevan to this page than mine, so am copying it below ClareWhite 15:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Local only / Category:Local
Hi Clare!

I understand your reasoning for wishing to avoid cluttering the main page with articles written for the Quaker portal. However, you might want to consider a few other elements:

 * There should not be both a Local and a Local only category; they are redundant.
 * If the local category is blocked from developing on the main page, local articles will have an extremely limited pool of editors/contributors.
 * Wikinews does not allow websquatting - the creation of a de facto personal website.

The reason I removed the Local only from the Developing stories was due to a couple of local stories being written about specific neighborhoods in California. These articles should be in a local category, yet be visible on the main page.

Although I'm supportive of the Quakers portal, I would like to point out that articles listed there appear to be non-standard to the Styleguide, specifically by including a top menu which suggests the articles are not a part of the regular wikinews. Wikinews does not have a policy regarding projects, but on Wikipedia projects generally include a small template at the bottom of the article stating it is a part of a project and a single link to that project. I could easily see such a template, focusing on a single portal which includes the links to workspaces and other portal-specific pages, but I'm not so sure I would approve of the top menu. I'd be happy to work with you to create such a template.

- Amgine/talk 06:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Amgine, thanks for the offer.

The Quakers page is in no way whatsoever supposed to be or appear to be a stand-alone/squatter site as far as I'm concerned, it is meant to be an integral part of Wikinews, with stories of international interest or particular quality being 'promoted'. However, in discussion on the project page there were opinion expressed that portals like that should have a certain freedom to police their own style and that community writing may not, by its nature, have as many sources as a rewrite story. This especially applies if a story is written about someone's own activities which probably wouldn't have anyone else written about them. In my opinion, and others seem to agree, these micro-local stories should be encouraged.

The main reasoning behind having a local only category is because of what you said, you might have a limited pool of contributors but you might also have a very enthusiastic band of writers at another time. This would have a distorting effect on the front page with hundreds of specialist stories suddenly appearing, say if a small group decided to have a Wikinews workshop day. I think this should be encouraged without irritating the 'main' community.

It looks a bit different from the 'bigger' portals mainly because the sectioning of them wouldn't work with such a tiny category, but if you want to have a crack at improving it, feel free. The only comparable portal is a locality based one (Brampton) and so that looks better with the standard formatting.

The portal was fairly clearly marked as a pilot project but I took that off because it seemed fairly well established and there hadn't been any objections to it. It is still marked as being connected to the local proposal but I can make that more prominent.

Category:local only, as far as I know, came first :) I think it's fairer to have that as a category that specifically takes it off the front page as a story is inherently local to whatever category it is in and therefore doesn't need that extra. It wouldn't bother me if it changed, but I would appreciate discussion of it mainly so that I can prepare the Quaker stories and publish them if necessary, at the moment they live in a SpecialPublish status which was done openly and didn't face any opposition at the time.

I'll copy this discussion to the Local project page where you can see more background. Probably makes sense for us to carry on there! ClareWhite 15:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * That page and discussion are here ClareWhite 15:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think I may have been unclear. To me the Quaker Portal looks great! (it could be jazzed up, of course, but it's fine the way it is.) To me the articles which are being listed on that page do not look appropriate; they should not have "special" menus. Remember that the Quaker articles *will* appear in other portals and listings - there's no way to limit them only to one venue - so they need to follow the WN:SG first, and other styleguides may add additional but not competitive elements. In other words, if the WN:SG says to do something one way, the Quaker Styleguide cannot contadict or contravene it because the QU:SG is a sub-styleguide.

 * Actually, the elements you list in the Quaker Workspace are excellent additions for the WN:SG, at least the ones which I read.

 * Here's an example of a possible template to indicate an article came from a template (the image is merely a placeholder logo):

Quaker
 * As for the use of Category:Local_only; I would rather not have articles discriminated against as the default. Perhaps, instead of either, we should use a Category:Publish_local to publish an article locally, and Category:Publish to publish globally? This would allow local articles to be listed in the developing template until published, and would appear on the main page only if published globally. Once local portals start to produce enough articles to begin causing an issue on the main page development (which they do not, now, even if they were to have a massive glut from a workshop) we could implement notcategory=local, but in the meantime it is yet another thing new contributors must do and it insulates a portal from being edited by the full Wikinews community.

 * - Amgine/talk 20:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

That sounds fair. There is no reason why developing local stories shouldn't appear on the main page, I agree with the idea of Local_publish to keep them off the developing stories on the main, it sounds like a good evolution. Shall we change Local only to Local_publish then on the notcats? Don't do it yet, I'll rejig the articles in that category and let others know too ClareWhite 11:01, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 *  Sounds excellent to me. - Amgine/talk 18:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

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Pollution in Arctic carried by seabirds

July 15, 2005

Research by a team from Canada have published a report in the magazine Science stating that seabirds are the main carriers of pollution in coastal ponds in the Arctic.

They showed that local sources of pollution are rare, meaning that seabirds played a proportionally greater role in local pollution. They do not produce pollution themselves, rather, they carry in other forms of marine pollution.

The researchers found levels of DDT 60 times higher, 25 times more mercury, and 10 times higher hexachlorobenzene in ponds that seabirds frequented compared to nearby ponds birds did not use.

All the pollution was originally of human origin - industrial or agricultural.

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Bones of a Mammoth possibly found in Silicon Valley

July 15, 2005

University of California Berkeley scientists confirmed on Wednesday that a cluster of fossilized bones found in Silicon Valley are likely the remains of a mammoth.

The giant beast would have roamed the area between 10,000 and 40,000 years ago. A pair of elephant-like tusks, a huge pelvic bone and the animal's rib cage were found by an amateur naturalist while walking a dog along a canal near San Jose's Guadalupe River, near recent flood control dredging.

It could be the remains of a Columbian mammoth, according to paleontologists who expect to study the site like an archeological "dig," with shovels, sieves and brushes, during the summer of 2005.


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Sea_ice_terrain.jpg

Want to add picture. --Blackcat 15:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Sea_ice_terrain.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sea ice terrain]] -- NGerda 16:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --Blackcat 16:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, it's what I'm here for! ;) -- NGerda 16:08, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Need a picture of a bird a fulmar but can't find one. --Blackcat 16:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Category - Arctic
Would like to add the category to a number of arctic related news articles to begin a wikinews Arctic portal to complement and support the Wikipedia Arctic portal and wikiproject. Kind Regards [[User:SriMesh|SriMesh]] | [[User talk:SriMesh|<small>talk</small>]] (talk) 01:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:China to launch second space mission in October

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ch-map.png --Blackcat 16:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Same as before. ;) -- NGerda 16:10, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I'am going for it thanks --Blackcat 16:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I need some help putting it up. --Blackcat 16:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, no problem. -- NGerda 16:13, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. -- NGerda 16:14, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again --Blackcat 16:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

China news to the categories? --Blackcat 16:22, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Bones of a Mammoth possibly found in Silicon Valley

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mammoth.png --Blackcat 16:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


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New species of dolphin found off Australia

July 15, 2005

A new species of dolphin, the first to be identified these last three decades, has been discovered in Australian waters.

It was thought that the Australian snubfin dolphin was in fact an Irrawady dolphin (usually found in Asia and Australia) but DNA tests prove that it is in fact a different species. Its scientific name is Orcaella heinsohni, honouring George Heinsohn, an Australian biologist who worked at the James Cook University on dolphins.


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Talk:New species of dolphin found off Australia

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Tursiops_truncatus_head.jpg --Blackcat 17:14, 15 July 2005 (UTC) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:As-map.png --Blackcat 17:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * What is this for? Goodgerster

I've just noticed that the source is from July 5, so this is rather old new. But I can't be bothered to make a fuss. It's not the kind of thing that gets superceded quickly anyway. Dan100 (Talk) 22:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Species Differentiation
How do scientists decide using DNA that an animal is a different species? --anon


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Talk:British girl hospitalized after riding Disney's Tower of Terror

Disney-MGM Studios emergency call transcript.

Length of call: 55 seconds.

Disp: 9-1-1 Emergency. Request for police, fire or medical?

Caller: Uh, medical. I have a guest here at Tower of Terror at the Studio, MGM Studios. She just got off the ride and she is shaking very, very bad and (unint) twice. She is in the, uh, photo area of the Tower of Terror.

D: Approximately how old is she?

C: Uh, she looks like she's, uh, a teenager. Uh, roughly around maybe between 18 or 20 years old, or maybe a little older than that.

D: And she's just shaking?

C: She's very shaky, uh, she's holding on to her mother. Uh, I'd given her some water but she hadn't drank any yet. Uh, she just got off the ride, she's sitting down right now.

D: Ok and don't give her anything else to drink because it may cause problems for the doctors.

C: Ok, uh...

D: Your name please?

C: My name is (redacted).

D: What's your number there?

C: Uh, the extension here is (redacted).

D: OK, I have paramedics on the way.

C: Alright. Thank you very much.

D: Alright. Bye.


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A timeline: Novak, Rove, Cooper

July 15, 2005

The Novak story that sparked the contoversy was written on July 14, 2003. The Star Telegram reported that Rove talked to Novak on Tuesday July 8, 2003. A perpetual calendar is useful to observe the date. Cooper called Rove 4 days after his talk with Novak. The date of the Rove-Cooper conversation must then have been July 12, 2003.

U.S. grand jury information "leaked" to the Associated Press revealed Karl Rove spoke to two reporters, rather than the previously thought one reporter Matthew Cooper. It was reported here by MSNBC with the help of MSNBC's "Today" show the reporter Robert Novak was also spoken to, but without a single date to serve as a reference point. Therefore, a reader who wanted to create a timeline of events to discover the publication date of the Novak story that blew Valerie Plames's cover is presented with the following puzzle (one date is provided by WN, the date of Wilson's Op-Ed piece):

 * Novak called Rove on a Tuesday, 6 days before he broke the story. During the Novak-Rove conversation, Novak asked whether Rove heard Plame was an agent. At that time, Rove said he believed that he might have heard the same... he wasn't sure if he did, and if he did, he couldn't remember who it was.

 * Novak's story containing the Plame "leak" breaks 6 days after the Rove conversation. Two anonymous White House officials are its sources.

 * Rove's conversation with Cooper took place 5 days after Wilson's Op-Ed piece in The New York Times ran on July 6, 2003. So Rove spoke with Cooper on July 11, 2003.

 * Rove's conversation with Cooper takes place 4 days after talking to Novak. So Rove spoke to Novak on July 7, 2003.

 * The Novak story broke 6 days after he spoke to Rove. So the Novak story broke on July 13, 2003.

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Talk:A timeline: Novak, Rove, Cooper

Fact checking

 * Here is the Novak story that started it all:

 * Wilson’s Op-Ed piece in a New York Times ran July 6, 2003. That came from WN:

 * This link to Wikipedia's Perpetual Calendar for all years makes the whole excercise a snap!

Added "Perpetual Calendar" -Edbrown05 04:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Check work
Hmm... I got three days between novak and cooper here:

 * ''"Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story.

 * ''The conversation eventually turned to Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's use of faulty intelligence to justify the war in Iraq, the person said.

 * ''Rove testified that Novak told him he planned to report in a weekend column that Plame had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear materials in Niger, according to the source.

 * ''Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle.

 * ''Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another member of the news media but he could not recall which reporter had told him about it first, the person said.

 * ''When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.

 * ''Rove told the grand jury that three days later, he(Rove) had a phone conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and - in an effort to discredit some of Wilson's allegations - informally told Cooper that he believed Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, though he never used her name, the source said."

Rove talks to novak...[3days]...rove talks to cooper...[3days]...novak publishes story.

Kevin Baastalk 22:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Kevin, I noticed your source is a differnet source than the one I used :|
 * Mine was
 * -Edbrown05 07:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * -Edbrown05 07:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh my :) Something is certainly a little.. off. The Novak story is now posted up top, and dated July 14. The story page has it July 13. So the "leaked" grand jury testimony is wrong, or the press is wrong, or the recollections given are wrong, or all of the above. It hardly matters! I was trying get at something. A tidbit storage story. -Edbrown05 08:05, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

POV?
Line 7:
 * Therefore, Rove did speak to both Novak and Cooper before the Plame "leak" story broke.

Anyone else think this sounds like the author(s) have an agenda? --RossKoepke 22:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

thinkers as stylists

 * ''"Thinkers as stylists: Thinkers often write not only their thoughts, but also the thinking of them, and are therefore bad writters." -Fredrich Nietzsche

Kevin Baastalk 17:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * never read any of Nietzsche cuz every reference i've seen to him, i didn't like. this is just one more.-Edbrown05 17:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Category
edit protected Please add this article to Category:MSNBC. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 13:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Possible 'mastermind' of London bombings captured in Egypt

Bold text==This article is speculative==

There has been no allegation that this person is the 'mastermind' behind this plot. There is a suspicion, based on his qualifications and the fact that he left Leeds recently,that he may have been a bomb-maker. No charges have been preferred against this individual so far and, as yet, no extradition request has been made.

While the circumstances warrant vigorous investigation, it must be noted that he strenuously denies any involvement. I'm from Luton, so you can believe that I want these bastards dealt with, but lets stick to facts.
 * Argh, if you see something wrong, please edit the article accordingly - just click "edit" at the top and get stuck in. Anyone can do this Dan100 (Talk) 10:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Copyright infringement?
NGerda added the copyright infringement box. I believed that the photograph of Magdi Asdi el-Nashar was the infringement, however after looking into the sources, I found that "British authorities released the first surveillance photo of one of the bombers in the hours before the attacks" (from the listed ABC News source). It seems like the image would be in the public domain to me. I reverted back, replacing the image, but will wait for a more experienced user (one who knows more about copyright) to publish it. -- SoberEmu 18:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I've checked the version of the article NGerda marked "copyvio" (using the incorrect method btw), and I see no evidence of it being one. NGerda obviously couldn't be bothered to state himself exactly what he thought the problem was... Dan100 (Talk) 20:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Evidence??
Has anyone heard or read about what the evidence is which point toward these suspects aka terrorists? I've always thought of Scotland Yard as the best; so I imagine they've got the goods on the bad guys; but I just haven't seen much in the way of evidence.

However, thank goodness the FBI aren't conducting the investigation; e.g.

“… the FBI lab stands by their conclusion of a 100 percent positive identification.” [] Paulrevere2005 01:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what evidence the Met has, but it probably goes something like this:

 * 1) All four bombing suspects were recorded together on Closed-Circuit TV at King's Cross Station arriving from Luton
 * 2) All four suspects are seen carrying backpacks
 * 3) The bodies of the suspects have been identified by DNA (or something similar) - one suspect at each bombing site.
 * 4) The injuries sustained by each suspect indicate an extremely close proximity to the detonation
 * 5) Suspects' property contains traces of explosive

 * I'm sure they have far more than this, though... Pearcej 06:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Yup, that's about it. The bombers were first ID'd, mind you, by the property they were carrying with their names on them. They wanted to be known. Dan100 (Talk) 10:05, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * "They wanted to be known." :( -Edbrown05 10:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'll buy that(the evidence).I just don't know why the autorities don't just say that since commoners like us are able to figure it out anyway? If they are going to announce the identities, why not just announce the evidence as well? If they are still trying to catch somebody; why announce the identity of the suspects/terrorists so soon? I am impressed and glad they did such a good job of quickly identifying the culprits; just curious about the degree of certainty I guess. Paulrevere2005 16:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

IS it a Frame Up????
The question must be addressed by anyone who wants to make sure the real killers are brought to justice. The history of frame-ups by government cabals is not a "conspiracy theory"..it's just plain history. e.g. []... that ruse cost the lives of 68,000 American servicemen..then there is [] and []. The point,in my opinion, is that the people,the voters, have to actually do some research and think about the story our governments put forth.

Now, here is the problem I have with el-Nashar being identified as the mastermind of a band of "clean skins". The known and agreed upon facts are; 1. this man is smart 2. this man has been in Egypt for some time 3. he denied being connected to the bombers and everyone who knows him finds it hard to believe 4. a pile of explosive materials were found in his bathtub in London.

These 4 facts do not compute for me. A;If he is smart he wouldn't leave or have left the explosive crap in his bathtub unless he wanted to get caught. B;If he wanted to get caught, why deny what he did? C;Since he was in Egypt for so long there would have been lots of time to plant explosive crap in his bathtub. D;If he was a terrorist, why would he be teaching at a madrasa school? Isn't that like wearing an "I'm a terrorist" button?

Now finally, and this will require some research in order to confirm or refute, (unless one prefers to just resort to name-calling)powerful interests within the USA for the past 2 centuries have had clandestine foreign policies which included and embraced frame-ups and violent attacks upon civilians in order to move populations in a particular direction and or to obtain strategic positioning geographically[][]

For some inexplicable reason I read a book by Walter Russell Mead of the U.S. Council of Foreign Relations [] titled "Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How it Changed the World"[] a book that showed how much of a mushroom I really am; a book which shows that not only do many western leaders know about and accept the war engineering and racial/religious/cultural hate engineering accomplished by frame-ups..they actually believe it is now America's Divine duty to conquer the world ("divine providence" and "manifest destiny") and that the end justifies the means. Which explains to me..finally.."why are american troops in Iraq,Kuwait,S Korea,Saudi Arabia,Cuba etc.etc.etc." It's not because the american people want them to be there; it's because the people like Kerry and Bush and Mead want them to be there.

WHY??? 1.In order to invade and take over territory(either directly or via puppet governments) you have to have a war 2.It takes 2 to make a war;you have to have an enemy. 3.Easiest way to make an enemy is to move next door(or even into the back yard) and have a bunch of weapons pointed at the potential enemy's kids; imo.

But, prove me wrong..read this f___ing book that Mead wrote; and see American history in a brand new light. Paulrevere2005 20:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not an issue whether or not we've killed people or done "bad" things in the past. It's about whats best for the people who associate themselves with "Western" either directly or indirectly. Generally goverments don't go around trying to do things which are bad for themselves. Personally I think the more places we invade the better that way we will all be on the same page, if not entirely agreed on our interpretation of the text on it. It's not about right or wrong, or good or bad. It's about us vs them. Ok so sure our goverment might not being entirely truthful all the time. But personally until they appear to be doing something which screws me over, they can do what they like. People are still capable of creating a popular uprising to prevent their rulers doing things. Just look at things like the NO2ID campaign in the UK.


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Transporting food costs the UK billions

July 15, 2005

A report published today by DEFRA, a UK Government department finds that transporting food to and around the country has significant social and environmental costs. The report, carried out by external consultancy AEA Technology, estimates these costs to have been £9 billion ($16 billion US) in 2002. The Government says it wants to work with the food industry to reduce social and environmental impacts by 20% by 2012.

The report set out to make an assessment of the impact of food miles and to develop a set of indicators that will show when progress has been made to reduce these negative impacts. The distance that food travels between producer and consumer (food miles) has increased over the past ten years.

Increasing food miles has been seen as undesirable in and of itself but the report says that the situation is more complex and that the mode of transport has to be taken in to account. The increase in food miles between 1992 and 2002 was associated with increasing levels of congestion and increasing emissions of greenhouse gases while emmissions of some local pollutants such as SOx and NOx have declined.

The Food and Drink Federation, which speaks for food manufacturers, was concerned about the focus on food miles but welcomed the "acknowledgement that more local sourcing does not automatically reduce the environmental and social costs associated with food miles." The Federation went on to stress that "on imported ingredients, the usual mode of transport used by food manufacturers is by sea, which does not give rise to any significant impacts. Air transport is generally not used by food manufacturers."

Another industry group, the British Retail Consortium said that retailers would "welcome the opportunity to introduce further transport efficiencies into their operations - always working from the principle that making existing resources work harder makes both good environmental and commercial sense."

Environmental campaign group Friends of the Earth is worried that the UK Government will not take the firm action it believes is necessary in the light of the report. A statement from the group said "The Government must get tougher to reduce food miles. Unless it tackles this problem the impacts will become worse and Government targets to reduce carbon dioxide levels will be much harder to achieve."

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Says "original"... so where's the notes? Dan100 (Talk) 20:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I can not belive that this is an original report. AnyFile 13:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


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Don, if it's taken form a Internet source, then it's not original reporting. Original reporting is first-hand reporting which means you actually get information from Arsenal. --TUFKAAP 21:48, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

CAT request
editprotected Please add the following categories to the article. 14.139.242.195 (talk) 11:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) A.C. Milan
 * 2) Serie A
 * 3) La Liga
 * 4) Arsenal F.C.
 * Added A.C. Milan, Arsenal F.C., and, with some trepidation, Serie A. I don't see any strong connection to La Liga.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Rep. Waxman: Karl Rove violated non-disclosure agreement

July 17, 2005

House representative Henry Waxman (D-Cal) released on Friday a fact sheet from a "briefing booklet" that Karl Rove received when he signed the classified information nondisclosure agreement (SF-312). Executive Order 12958 requires that a person sign this standard form before being granted security clearance. The briefing booklet states that: "Before confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure."

The nondisclosure agreement and the executive order require sanctions against security clearance holders who "knowingly, willfully, or negligently" disclose classified information. The sanctions for such a breach include "reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions.

The agreement requires that violators be subject to appropriate sanctions, regardless of whether or not they knew they were leaking classified information:

"Officers and employees of the United States Government ... shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently ... disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified."

This information was provided to YubaNet by Representative Waxman, and discussed in detail here.

The case, however, is being tried under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act. The strictest interpretation of the act limits breaking it to
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reveal the identity of an undercover agent. There is only one publicly known conviction for the law. CIA employee Sharon Scranage, who pleaded guilty in 1985. She served 8 months out of a 5 year conviction for revealing to her boyfriend the names of other agents while stationed in Ghana.

Was Plame a covert agent?
The case is clouded by reckoning on the covert status of Valerie Plame when the leak occurred. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) called for an FBI probe 10 days after the July 13, 2003 column by Robert Novak identified her as an agent. A Chicago native and appointed special prosecutor, Patrik Fitzgerald took over the case 19 months ago. That the case continues today says something in itself.

Critics of the investigation believe the case is overblown because it was widely known in Washington social power circles that Plame worked for the CIA.

A MediaMatters report on the widely publicized quote by Joseph Wilson, who said, "My wife was not a clandestine officer... ", was misconstrued by the press. BLITZER: But the other argument that's been made against you is that you've sought to capitalize on this extravaganza, having that photo shoot with your wife [in the January 2004 Vanity Fair magazine], who was a clandestine officer of the CIA, and that you've tried to enrich yourself writing this book and all of that. What do you make of those accusations, which are serious accusations, as you know, that have been leveled against you? WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity. BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that? ''WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about. And, indeed, I'll go back to what I said earlier, the CIA believed that a possible crime had been committed, and that's why they referred it to the Justice Department.'' In the full context of the above CNN Wolf Blitzer Reports televised broadcast, Wilson was responding to mean that after Robert Novak's column ran, his wife was no longer a clandestine officer. The Vanity Fair coverage given Wilson with wife Plame was a result of the publicity that ensued from the column written by Novack. The photo shoots did not occur before the disclosure, they came in January 2004.

The Associated Press reported the Wilson-Blitzer interview as follows:  ...CNN Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying [White House senior adviser Karl] Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House." 'But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said.' Federal law prohobits goverment [sic] officials from divulging the identity... Media outlets followed the AP lead with their own reporting that mirrored AP report.


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Talk:Riots in Île-de-France : 70 arrested after 200 cars burned

Why does this article have two date categories? --RossKoepke 22:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

This article needs some context. Why are the youths rioting? Why is it not the first time on 13-14 July? Greenman 19:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


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Space Shuttle Discovery launch on indefinite hold

July 16, 2005

NASA engineers announced on Friday that the Discovery ' s launch is being put on hold indefinitely.

"We are going forward on a day by day basis," Space Shuttle Program Deputy Manager Wayne Hale said at a press conference this afternoon. "As soon as we fix the problem, we will be four days from launch. What is that date going to be? We don't know."

Launch controllers are still optimistic about a launch in the current window of opportunity, which lasts until the end of the month. Twelve teams of engineers are working across the US in order to resolve the problem with the fuel tank sensor.

The fuel tank sensor is vital as it shuts down the main engines when fuel is exhausted - if the engines run dry, the results could be disastrous.

When the huge main fuel tank was drained on Wednesday, the sensor continued to indicate "wet" instead of "dry", but in a series of later tests the sensor began performing properly.


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NASA have a very annoying habit of only putting the latest news on their front page, only moving it to a (linkable) sub-page after the next bit of news comes out. So here's the main page's text as it is now (it's pd, yeah?): Dan100 (Talk) 23:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

''Space Shuttle Program managers are still working to determine the problem with an Engine Cut-Off sensor that failed a routine pre-launch check during the launch countdown Wednesday. (+ View Graphics)

''"We are going forward on a day by day basis," Space Shuttle Program Deputy Manager Wayne Hale explained during a press conference late Friday. "As soon as we fix the problem, we will be four days from launch. What is that date going to be? We don't know."

''John Muratore, Shuttle Systems Engineering and Integration manager, explained twelve teams of engineers across the country are working around the clock to troubleshoot the problem and review data. Further information is expected Monday, but managers are still optimistic about a launch within the current window, which ends July 31.

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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince released

July 16, 2005

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince by J.K. Rowling was released today to hundreds of special midnight parties at bookstores. The book is expected to sell tens of thousands of copies in the first hour, and the waves of fans just keep on coming. As midnight spreads across the Atlantic and the North American continent, more and more stores will start selling.

The Royal Mail UK postal service delivered four hundred tons of the pre-ordered books this morning.

In British Columbia, fourteen copies of the book were accidentally sold at a supermarket on the 7th of July, eight days before the book's official release date. This led publishers to obtain a court order from the British Columbia Supreme Court stating that people who had received the books were forbidden from copying, selling, discussing, or reading the book.

In protest at the ruling, Richard Stallman, an advocate of less-restrictive copyright law, called for a boycott of the books after the controversial Supreme Court ruling. He called anybody who "participated in requesting, issuing, enforcing, or trying to excuse" the injunction an "enemy of human rights in Canada."


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Main Page redesign proposal
Inspired by others, I put together a Main Page redesign proposal. It's not totally complete, but we could templatize what's there and put it live, if there is community approval. I invite comments for at least a 4-day period. -- IlyaHaykinson 2 July 2005 02:08 (UTC)
 * See my (and other's) criticisms of Amgine's proposal above - the same apply here. But in particular, note how the same story is listed over and over again. (I must also say that the writing is very small and quite hard to read.)

 * Our current main page is very good. It is not broken, it does not need fixing! Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)

 * Great effort, both of you, but one thing I'd like to point out is that Illya's page displays much better on lower-resolution monitors than our current version, which right now is a big issue. NGerda July 2, 2005 18:36 (UTC)

Is it? Statcounter on the RSS feed blog shows only 8% visiting with 800x600; everyone else is using better. It renders perfectly on my 1024x768 display. Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)
 * That's for the RSS feed, I'm talking about people who come to Wikinews for the first time, and I'm sure it's much higher. NGerda July 2, 2005 18:58 (UTC)

 * I think my sandbox differs from Amgine's sandbox on a few important points. First, there is less duplication and less articles: each topic or region only has two stories listed, and users are encouraged to click through to the section (i.e. Africa or Politics and conflicts) instead. As for small writing, I was modeling partially after BBC News's homepage which has small fonts as well but has likely been through more usability testing than we have done. -- IlyaHaykinson 2 July 2005 18:48 (UTC)

No, look how Live 8 is repeated four times. On the other hand, note how the top education story is from over a fortnight - old news, makes the page look stale.

That design also hides a lot of recent news - if there's three Disasters and accidents stories in a day, for example, the earliest one is lost even though it's still very current!

BTW on my monitor BBC news's type is considerably larger - maybe they're detecting screen resolution? Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 18:55 (UTC)

 * Let's turn this around: what do you feel is wrong with our current Main Page? Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 18:56 (UTC)

 * I compared the BBC and Wikinews fonts. The font is the same height — but BBC's font has greater letter spacing. We could tweak this by selecting another font for our pages.
 * I also determined why the "Live 8" story was appearing four times — first, because the listing for Environment was actually listing things for Politics and conflicts because of bad DPL code, and second, because the "Live 8" story really doesn't belong in Category:Politics and conflicts.
 * But to address your question of what's wrong with the current Main Page: I think it doesn't show the breadth of Wikinews well enough. It encourages daily article count growth without regard to breadth of topics (and we should be trying to cover all sorts of topics. It ensures that causal users really only ever read the homepage and maybe an article off the homepage, instead of clicking through to one of the topic or category pages and seeing the depth of news aritcles we've written over time and recently.
 * Honestly, I look at any other news site and I don't see a "list of last 15 stories we've written, organized by day" types of homepages. Instead, I see some leads followed by topical breakdown. If we want to grow up to become a news site of the stature of the mainstream media, we need to adopt that kind of design as well. -- IlyaHaykinson 2 July 2005 19:21 (UTC)

Re: text size - yes, some of the BBC's text is the same size, on closer inspection. But most of it is the same size as our own standard font (at least in Opera at 1024x768).

But how is "they do it differently" an argument for change? I've often thought how poor only putting a handful of stories on their main pages isn't very good.

Our by-day listing isn't dis-similar to RSS - and everyone knows how popular that is.

Your design hides a huge number of articles. Say two articles are written in one day for North America - not unlikely - on your page, only one is listed. On the other hand, if they do click-through the topic/region header, they'll find themselves on one of sub-pages - which, let's face it, are often very stale. Do we want that? Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 19:41 (UTC)

 * BTW what's your response to the issue of stale news on the page? Top education story a fortnight old, top Environment story a week old. Probably the worst is Central America - six weeks old! Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 19:44 (UTC)

Actually, just for kicks I dropped your DPL into our current main page,made the text legible for moi and got: User:Dan100/sandbox. Doesn't look too bad. But I'd still object to it's use on the grounds I've raised. Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 19:49 (UTC)

 * I think that, when we're doing 20+ articles a day every day, this is the kind of design we'll need to adopt. But until then, we're just not producing the articles we need. The BBC, of course, produces many new articles in every section every day. Right now, we go weeks betwen articles in some! That just doesn't look good. Dan100 (Talk) 2 July 2005 19:57 (UTC)

 * Seconded. Let's get a stable article count first and satisfy the other "out of Beta" requirements. Wikinews is not just for the outside world. Especially now, in the early stage of the project, it's important that we are constantly reminded of the progress of the site. I would be more supportive of Ilya's proposal if it made use of dates in the categories, and perhaps an extension to show the number of articles written on a given day. As is, we risk losing track of our progress and falling into stagnation.--Eloquence 3 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)

Feedburner?
I was delighted to find out that Wikinews now uses RSS. However, i am a bit puzzeled by the fact that the RSS icon point to a page wich encourages people to download the Feedburner software. This really seems like some kind of marketing trick on Feedburners behalf and should be adressed. --Blx 5 July 2005 03:16 (UTC)
 * It says no such thing, not least as there's no such thing as 'Feedburner software'. Just add the URL to your aggregator. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 14:00 (UTC)

Incorrect grammar on main page
"Four terrorist bombs have exploded in London. More than 30 people are dead, and hundreds injured." should read "Four terrorist bombs have exploded in London. More than 30 people are dead, and hundreds are injured." Muhgcee 8 July 2005 06:51 (UTC)
 * Anyone can edit the template - I put a link to it on your talk page. -- Davodd | Talk 8 July 2005 06:58 (UTC)

third lead
Suggest putting another story up now as the one about telecommunications is out of date. ClareWhite 8 July 2005 12:41 (UTC)
 * I was going to but Uncle G beat me to it. → CGorman (Talk) 8 July 2005 12:49 (UTC)

"threathens"
Article titled "Rome may be next: Group threathens". Maybe that should be "threatens"?
 * If you register a username, you can change the names of articles by clicking "rename" at the top of the page. Cheers! -- NGerda July 8, 2005 21:07 (UTC)

design change
the right side is now too wide. i think the bottom should go back on the bottom. also, how did someone manage to get the developing stories to show up in all caps? Kevin Baastalk 9 July 2005 14:07 (UTC)

 * This was all caused by two missing characters. UncleG fixed it.--Eloquence 13:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Refresh Link
The refresh link on the main page (action=purge) seems to step back a few days. Is anyone else getting this? -GChriss
 * This is a defective MediaWiki bug, I've experienced this, too when I wasn't logged in. -- NGerda 17:05, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

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Grand Theft Auto under fire

July 17, 2005 The Grand Theft Auto (G.T.A.) game series, based on the underworld, pushes social limits on violence and sexual content in the video gaming industry. The newer Grand Theft Auto 3 release sparked controversy when it came to light the plot was based on an unnamed character's mission to destroy and slaughter his way to the top of the local crime scene. Since that release, further games were developed: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

Thursday, according to a report filed by Gamespot, congresswoman Hillary Clinton called on the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to "take immediate action to determine the source of graphic pornographic and violent content appearing on the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas video game." Clinton also wanted the FTC to determine if an "AO" rating would be more suitable for the game than current "M" rating.

Clinton said she would work quickly to create a bill for a federal law that would "put some teeth into video game ratings." The federal legislation by Clinton would follow similar state initiatives. California assemblymen Leland Yee introduced a bill in his state, as did Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich. The purpose of the state and federal bills would be to "prohibit the sale of violent and sexually explicit video games to minors." The passage and enactment of the proposed bill by Clinton would make it a federal offence to sell video game content to persons under the age of the games's rating.

Like many Grand Theft Auto gamers, the Entertainment Software Rating Board(ESRB) is cautious over Clinton legislative proposal. Patricia Vance, the president of ESRB, issued this statement: "We urge all parties not to rush to judgment until all of the relevant facts, some of which are highly technical and complicated, have been established. Any second guessing at this point would be premature and inappropriate as this investigation continues." Vance said amongst the ESRB's top interests were to protect children, to educate parents, and make sure parents make good decisions on what video games their children be allowed to play.

Jack Thompson, the subject of beefs with Grand Theft Auto in the past, is a Republican attorney from Miami. Thompson sent out an email to major gaming outlets (Gamespot for example). The letter at first stated "I, as a lifelong Republican, am going to thank Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton," and offered admiration for Clinton's campaign against violence and sexual content in video games. The email then went on to criticize Doug Lowenstein, who helps manage ESRB and is the president of the Entertainment Software Association. Thompson wrote, "Doug Lowenstein could have prevented what is going to happen today, but he preferred to shoot the messengers." Thompson also mentioned the Columbine High School massacre, and claimed it was the fault of the developers of games (specifically id Software, the maker of Doom). He claims the U.S. Constitution first amendment right to freedom of speech in no way protects the gaming industry from censorship.

Lowenstein issued the following statement regarding the current video game/Hot Coffee issue: "Retailers should not sell Mature games to minors, parents should watch what their kids watch, and parents should and can rely on the ESRB ratings to make the right choices for their families. We hope that... Senator Clinton will abandon the bill and work cooperatively with industry and others to ensure that parents take advantage of the effective tools on the market to regulate the games their kids play."

Although some of the statements mentioned are related to video games in general and not so much GTA, a majority of all of this recently publicity did indeed start with the Hot Coffee mod for Grand Theft Auto. ESRB has never been pressured any harder in the past than they are now, and Rockstar still denies that they put the sex scenes in the game; although it has been recently demonstrated that Action Max-Replay (a cheat/feature-unlocking system for the Sony PlayStation 2) allows the user to play the "mini sex games" - the exact same thing the Hot Coffee mod unlocks for the PC version of GTA San Andreas.

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