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User talk:Mwx10~enwikinews

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User talk:Kevin1669

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User talk:Csrempert

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User talk:Danski271

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User talk:Sarris~enwikinews

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User talk:AMBerry

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User talk:Ts~enwikinews

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User:Disaster lay ahead~enwikinews

Protected page of vandal account. DragonFire1024 21:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Disaster lay ahead~enwikinews

Protected page of a vandal account. DragonFire1024 21:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Contradictme

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Forty Hells Angels locations in Canada raided by police

April 6, 2007

On Wednesday, approximately forty Hells Angels locations were raided by police in Ontario, New Brunswick, and British Columbia. Police arrested more than thirty people in the three provinces.

The largest Hells Angels location in Canada, located in downtown Toronto on 498 Eastern Ave., was raided early Wednesday morning. Nearly sixteen members were arrested with two members still on the wanted list. Toronto Police removed the sign and are now investigating. They are currently planning a large crackdown on the Hells Angels in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA).

"Hopefully by now biker gangs and their associates are getting the message: we're here to shut you down. You can run but you can't hide, and we will do all that we can to bring you to justice," said Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner (OPP) Julian Fantino. "I believe that we have to continue the attack on organized crime however it's manifested, and we owe the citizens of our community no less." "It's a good day for policing in Toronto, a good day for policing in Ontario."

"Project Develop was an 18-month investigation that utilized a full-patch Hells Angels member as a police agent to infiltrate the Toronto downtown chapter of the Hells Angels," OPP Inspector Dan Redmond said yesterday. "Hells Angels criminal activity has been exposed by one of their own."

Nearly 170 charges were laid against thirty-one people, police said, though they provided no list of charges or names. Sixteen full-patch members are said to be in custody, with arrest warrants outstanding for another two. Police seized vehicles, drugs, weapons, property and real-estate, but were not specific about the amounts.

The Hells Angels is a large biker gang founded 1948 in Fontana, California and is estimated to have 1,800 members in 22 countries. Since they started many other biker gangs merged with them, due to the fact that the Hells Angels are larger. The Hells Angels have 500 members in Canada, thirty-four active chapters in Canada, sixteen in Ontario, seven in British Columbia, five in Quebec, three in Alberta, two in Saskatchewan, and one in Manitoba. A number of raids have been made since, with two in September and January 2006.

A location on Sherwood Ave. in Scarborough, Ontario, and a house on Berard Court in Barrie, Ontario are under a restraining order as they may have drug related crimes.

The Toronto chapter of Hells Angels, in the "Real Deal News" section of their website, alleged that the police were staging a show for the media and that the raids were overly dramatic to make Hells Angels look bad on television.


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Comments:Keith Richards denies reports that he snorted his father's ashes

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What kind of person would even say that they snorted their fathers ashes with a bit of cocaine? --Nzgabriel | Talk 21:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


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MLB: White Sox defeat Indians 4-3 following hit batter

April 5, 2007

It was an unusual ending to Thursday's game at U.S. Cellular Field between the Chicago White Sox and the Cleveland Indians. With the game tied in the bottom of the ninth inning, Cleveland pitcher Roberto Hernández hit batter A.J. Pierzynski with the bases loaded, walking in the winning run.

Grady Sizemore got things started for the Indians by hitting a solo home run in the first, but the Sox would tie it up in the second on a Paul Konerko RBI groundout. Another Indian homer came from the bat of Jason Michaels, but the Sox again tie it up in the fourth with Tadahito Iguchi hitting an RBI sacrifice fly. Chicago took their first lead of the game in the seventh with a Scott Podsednik RBI, but Jason Michaels would tie it up again in the eighth. In the bottom of the ninth inning, an inside pitch hit batter A.J. Pierzynski, walking in the winning run and ending the game.

Chicago starter Mark Buehrle left the game in the second inning suffering from bruising on his forearm after being hit just below the elbow of his pitching arm. He has been diagnosed with having a contusion on his left forearm, and his status will be day-to-day. Matt Thornton is credited a blown save for giving up Chicago's one run lead in the eighth. Cleveland starter Jeremy Sowers pitched the first six innings, giving up just a hit and two runs.

The White Sox, now 1-2, are staying in town to play the visiting Minnesota Twins while Cleveland, now 2-1, will go home to face off against the Seattle Mariners.

Box score
W: Jenks (1-0) L: Hernández (0-1) BS: Thornton


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Talk:Forty Hells Angels locations in Canada raided by police

What crimes are being investigated here? I read the article and it implies that the crime is being a member of a biker gang. That's horribly POV and unacceptable. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a paragraph about the charges, though it seems the police haven't made public what exactly they are, but from the seizures it seems plausible they'd be drug and weapons related. Previously I added something from the Hells Angels website for their view.--SVTCobra 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it is clearly the POV of the police that the gangs should be shut down. After re-reading the article, it seems NPOV though fairly heavy with quotes from the police.--SVTCobra 22:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since no comments were made about the updates, I'll move to 'ready'. --SVTCobra 01:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * the police seam POV but the article dosen't! it would be good if somebody could find out what the charges are!


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OECD releases report on New Zealand's environmental performance

April 5, 2007

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has released a report on the environmental performance of the New Zealand Government. Although the Government applauds the findings as vindicating its path to sustainability the report makes a wide range of recommendations in order to improve environmental performance. It calls for better protection of water, a clarification and strengthening of climate change policy, an upgrade of waste management and improvement environmental reporting.

The previous report was released in 1996 and a number of improvements have been noted. Thse include minimising harmful substances in agriculture and fisheries, improving drinking water, balancing social and environmental concerns and expanding protected areas.

It is part of a second cycle of peer reviewed reports on the OECD member countries.

External link

 * ISBN 9789264030572


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Wikinews talk:Journalists

are the 'cool guys' some kind of wikinews fraternity? I don't understand the purpose of this page. --SVTCobra 23:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Si. Kappa Kappa Wales.  Thunderhead  ►  01:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless of medium, the term journalist carries a connotation or expectation of professionalism in reporting, with consideration for truth, fairness, balance, decency and ethics - although standards can vary widely between publications. -Journalist. –Doldrums(talk) 15:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

about this page
pls advertise this list on cooler, elsewhere so people know it exists and can add their name to it, if they wish. also, pls note on the page that this it is not an exhaustive list and that contributors to individual stories can be seen on the histroy tab. keep in mind while creating such "official-looking" pages that they will reflect on Wikinews as a whole, and will be seen by people who have little idea of what Wikis are and what Wikinews is. a lay reader seeing this page may well conclude all of wikinews is produced by the three listed users.

as for the "nice things" section, there are already trophies, WN:TEA etc. is one more unadvertised place for praise necessary? is this page the appropriate place for it? –Doldrums(talk) 11:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I have re-written this page so it looks more proffesional looking. Feel free to change or make more edits to improve this page :) — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  15:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Bawolff/Sandbox/MessedRocker based main page redesign

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UEFA Champions League: quarter-final first leg roundup

April 4, 2007

The first leg of the Champions League quarter-finals were played out on Tuesday and Wednesday. Of the three English teams remaining in the competition, only one was able to earn themselves a win in the first leg, that being Liverpool. Draws occurred in the Chelsea/Valencia and Milan/Bayern games, while Manchester United lost on the road in Rome.

PSV Eindhoven 0 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool thumped Dutch side PSV Eindhoven on Tuesday, with Steven Gerrard, John Arne Riise, and Peter Crouch all scoring for the reds. The huge away win leaves Liverpool in the driving seat of the series, with PSV coach Koeman telling the press "we're as good as out (of the competition)."

For a full recap of the match, see: Liverpool defeat PSV 3-0 in Holland

AC Milan 2 - 2 Bayern Munich
In the other Tuesday night match, German side Bayern Munich travelled to the Guiseppe Meazza stadium to play Serie A side AC Milan. With both teams in good domestic form as of late, it was certain it would be hard to separate the two in the match, and as it turned out, that assumption was correct. Andrea Pirlo struck first for the home side, as his looping header evaded keeper Michael Rensing. Bayern eventually tied the match in the 78th minute through defender Daniel van Buyten, as his close range effort left no chance for Dida to make a save. A controversial penalty for Milan followed when a clean challenge by Lucio on Kaka was misjudged by the referee, and Kaka scored from the spot to restore Milan's lead. Bayern pushed back and were rewarded with a goal in the 94th minute, as van Buyten half volleyed the ball home with virtually the last kick of the game, earning himself a brace, and Bayern the draw.

Chelsea 1 - 1 Valencia
Spanish side Valencia travelled to London to take on Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday night. Valencia went into the game several men short due to injury as well as suspension due to the brawl with Internazionale players following the round of sixteen match last month. Even without the likes of Fernando Morientes, Valencia took a lead after 30 minutes when David Silva scored a screamer from well over 30 yards out. Chelsea equalised through Didier Drogba in the second half as he headed home a long ball from Ashley Cole. The goal was Drogba's 30th of the season in all competitions. The draw means Chelsea will have to win in Spain during the second leg to advance due to the away goals rule.

Roma 2 - 1 Manchester United
The Stadio Olympico was filled with 77000 fans for this match between Manchester United and home side AS Roma on Wednesday. The first big event of the game was the sending off of United midfielder Paul Scholes after only 34 minutes of play. Scholes was yellow carded twice for dangerous challenges, and was subsequently red carded by referee Herbert Fandel. Roma would then use the man advantage to take the lead before the half time break when Rodrigo Taddei's shot deflected off Wes Brown and into the back of the net. It looked as if Roma was going to take full control of the game, but Wayne Rooney struck back after 60 minutes, ending his European goal draught. Christiano Ronaldo set up the play after breaking through three challenges and feeding Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who crossed into Rooney. Rooney chested down the cross and slotted the ball past Doni tying the match, and giving United a crucial away goal. Mancini's shot on net was then punched instead of caught by United keeper Edwin van Der Sar, and Mirko Vucinic was in the right place to restore Roma's lead, and effectively win them the match.

Return legs will be played on the 10th/11th of April.


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Comments:Fifth-graders have sex in class, charged with obscenity

Is this because our culture is becoming more and more sexualized?--67.72.98.108 03:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


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NHL: Penguins defeat Senators in thrilling finish

April 6, 2007

The Pittsburgh Penguins defeated the Ottawa Senators in the closing seconds of Thursday night's game, pulling the Penguins into a tie with the Senators for points, with 103 each. With New Jersey clinching the Atlantic Division title after defeating Philadelphia, Pittsburgh locks into a first round matchup with Ottawa in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, though who will claim home ice advantage is still unknown. Pittsburgh can still claim home ice advantage if Ottawa loses their season finale Saturday in Boston.

Jason Spezza struck first in the game, scoring a power play goal at 7:59. Ray Emery would hold the Penguins scoreless until 14:05 in the first, when Michel Ouellet scored a power play goal to even the score at 1-1. Gary Roberts gave the Penguins the lead 55 seconds later, scoring the third power play goal of the game, and Roberts' 19th of the season to give the Pens the edge, 2-1 heading into the second period. Dany Heatley would make it four power play goals in the game, when he scored his NHL best 49th goal of the season, assisted by Jason Spezza and Mike Comrie, to tie the game at two goals apiece. Both teams would tighten up on defense, holding each other scoreless until the final period, when Maxime Talbot would give the Penguins the 3-2 lead and the victory, with 9.8 seconds remaining in the game, stunning the 24,064 in attendance at Scotiabank Place in Ottawa.

Marc-Andre Fleury picked up the win, stopping 35 of the 37 shots he faced. Ray Emery was saddled with the loss, stopping 24 of 27 shots faced.

The Senators will try to claim home ice advantage Saturday, when the Boston Bruins host Ottawa. Game time is scheduled for 7:00. Pittsburgh needs to win Saturday, as well as hope for a Bruins victory, when the Pens host the New York Rangers at Mellon Arena. Opening face off is scheduled for 7:30.

Three Stars of the Game

 * #1 - Marc-Andre Fleury, Goaltender, Pittsburgh - 35 saves, .946 Save percentage
 * #2 - Maxime Talbot, Center, Pittsburgh - Game winning goal with 9.8 seconds remaining in regulation
 * #3 - Joe Corvo, Defenseman, Ottawa - 1 Assist


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Overcrowded Montreal hospital asks public to stay away

April 6, 2007

The Montreal Heart Institute (MHI) notified the public, through a news release Wednesday, that a recent high volume of patients has put a strain on the hospital's resources. The MHI requested that the public avoid its emergency department and find alternate care, if possible. It did indicate that acute care emergency patients would not be turned away.

The notice was to be in place for 24 hours from Wednesday. On Thursday, the MHI issued a extension to the public notice for an additional 24-hour period.

The number of patients that visited the MHI over the past few months had been abnormally high and reached a peak in the past two weeks, according to the head of emergency services. Alain Vadeboncoeur indicated that it was unusual for the MHI to put out such an advisory, but assured the public that the hospital would "always take the big emergencies."

The hospital treats 45 to 50 emergency patients per day, typically, but that number jumped to as many as 70 patients per day in the past two weeks. The MHI maintains 153 beds, including 42 in medical intensive care and 29 in surgical intensive care and performs 1,850 cardiac surgeries yearly.

It was suggested by the MHI that people requiring non-emergency care contact their regional Info-Santé for telephone-based advice, or visit a local clinic.

Founded in 1954, the MHI specializes in cardiovascular treatment, with an emphasis on prevention, specialized care, research, and assessment of new technologies. The MHI is a teaching facility affiliated with the University of Montreal.


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UEFA Cup: quarter-final first leg round up

April 5, 2007

All four quarterfinal matches occurred Thursday in the UEFA Cup, with all three Spanish sides remaining in the competition winning their games. Only one match ended in a draw, that being the game between AZ Alkmaar and Werder Bremen.

Sevilla 2 - 1 Tottenham
English side Tottenham Hotspur travelled to Spain to take on La Liga title hopeful's Sevilla. Robbie Keane scored the opener for the visitors only two minutes into the match, but a controversial penalty off a challenge by keeper Paul Robinson saw Sevilla draw level as Freddie Kanoute slotted the spot kick home. Both teams battled for a win, but Sevilla eventually came out the victors as Alexander Kerzhakov scored the winning goal, and Spurs could not recover.

AZ Alkmaar 0 - 0 Werder Bremen
Two clubs battling for the title in their respective domestic leagues met Thursday at the DSB Stadion in Alkmaar, Netherlands. Both sides put in respectable efforts, but the eventual outcome of the game would be a nil-nil draw. The draw means Bremen will have to win at home in the return leg in order to qualify automatically for the semi-finals.

Bayer Leverkusen 0 - 3 Osasuna
Osasuna all but booked their place in the semi's with a convincing 3-0 win over Bundesliga side Bayer Leverkusen at the Bay Arena. The visitors came out very strong with Carlos Cuellar scoring within the first minute. Two goals two minutes apart midway through the second half from Lopez and Webo secured the game for Osasuna, and Bayer will have to improve greatly if they hope to advance after the second leg.

Espanyol 3 - 2 Benfica
In a hard fought affair, Espanyol took a demanding 3-0 lead in under an hour, but Portuguese side Benfica fought hard and earned themselves two crucial away goals in Spain. Tamudo opened the scoring for Espanyol after 15 minutes before Riera and Pandiani scored to put pressure on Benfica. Nuno Gomes and Simao Sabrosa responded well for the Eagles, tallying in the 64th and 66th minutes respectively. The goals by Benfica leave the result of the tie up in the air, as a 1-0 victory in the return leg is all Benfica require to advance, while Espanyol will only need a draw.


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Thailand bans YouTube over videos insulting king

April 6, 2007

YouTube, a popular video hosting website, has been banned by the government of Thailand after at least 3 videos insulting Thailand's King, Bhumibol Adulyadej were uploaded to the site.

The first video which was "removed by user," has turned up again, uploaded from a different user than the first posting, claiming to be from Iceland. The second video was uploaded as recently as April 5 and the third has been on YouTube since March 12.

The government states that the ban on YouTube will continue. Google, who owns YouTube, refused to remove the video saying videos of the current United States president George W. Bush are worse than those of Thailand's King.

"That's [the removal of the video] not enough. We want the picture removed too before we unblock it," said Thailand's Minister of Information and Technology, Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom who also said that he sent a request to Google to have the image removed from the site, but Google has not yet responded.

"It's hard to tell how they [Google] will respond. In some countries, it's a norm to have their leaders mocked, but this is different. With the king, it is very offensive to the Thai public. YouTube said it thought there was not enough reason to remove the clip after viewing the video and making its judgement on the content," added Pookaiyaudom.

Google later replied to the King stating that the video will not be removed, but that YouTube has a plan to only allow certain videos to be viewed without blocking the whole site.

"He said pulling out those clips would not be an effective way to stop the damage, since users could re-post them again. He said a more effective way would be to block certain pages not to be seen in Thailand. It will be a few days before we lift the ban on the entire site," added Pookaiyaudom.

The text of the first video, scrolled across the screen, stated "This video would give up to 15 years prison in Thailand, because their leaders are evil (sic) and hate free speech. A Swiss man, Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was sentenced to 10 years in prison for spray-painting graffiti over Thailand's revered King. Fuck Thailand leaders and the ape king."

The 44 second-long video, posted April 4, 2007 shows images of King Adulyadej drawn over and made to look like a monkey or an ape and a "juxtaposed" image with feet on top of King Adulyadej, pointing just under his nose. In Thailand, feet are seen as a dirty side of humans and people there think of feet as being offensive and rude. Playing in the background of the video was the music of the national anthem of Thailand.

In the second video, posted on March 12, 2007, shows still images of leaders from different nations around the world, King Adulyadej is seen with black painted over his face, imitating thick dark eyebrows and a mustache.

In the third video, the feet are again placed just under the King's nose when halfway through the film, his image is vandalized by showing his eyed "bugged out of his head" and the Wat Kaow Roop Chang Temple in Songkhla in between his eyes.

The first video was viewed nearly 70,000 times before the original user removed it from YouTube.


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Talk:Thailand bans YouTube over videos insulting king

YouTube
I have e-mailed YouTube to see if they will answer a few questions...I don't think they will respond but here is a copy of the e-mail:

Hello my name is Jason Safoutin and I am a freelance journalist writing for Wikinews.org and I was wondering if someone at your office could just give me a brief statement regarding the video that allegedly insulted Thailand's King.

 * 1. Why did YouTube refuse to remove the video...assuming that's true given recent media reports?

 * 2. What of the still image taken from the video that allegedly still remains? If its still there, will it be removed? If so by YouTube or the user?

''That is all the questions I have. If you could answer those questions and add a small statement for the article I am writing on this incident. Please reply when you are able to.''

Jason Safoutin Wikinews.org Writer/editor/administrator.

DragonFire1024 04:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * PS...I also added the link to my credentials...but I thought easier to leave that part out here...PSS...if you want to see my credentials, see my user page ;) DragonFire1024 04:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Lèse majesté
Lèse majesté is the actual name of the offence. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Why was the CSM source removed? This detailed the offense that provoked the video.  --Brian McNeil / talk 09:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know? DragonFire1024 09:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll dig it out the history and re-add it, worth a read and probably a paragraph or 2 in it. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Opps...it was an edit conflict...I readded it. DragonFire1024 09:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

OR reporting
Does this, as researching the quotes of the video and such fall under OR? DragonFire1024 08:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I read in the article, you've done OR. So detail some of the detective work you did. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Videos
Ok...there are 2 listed in external links...I just found another...before I sources it do we need three? DragonFire1024 08:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * These links may well vanish, I'd not put up too many. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Only 3 so far that I can hunt down. All three are different. DragonFire1024 08:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * one link will do. why shld we include the offensive title of the second link? –Doldrums(talk) 08:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * have gone ahead and done so. reg. the title of one of the videos, there is no particular need for us to report every word of abuse someone says on youtube. –Doldrums(talk) 14:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is about the videos. To say there are 3 and then not have links is ridiculous. Also calls into play whether or not we are telling the truth, in relation to 3 videos. If the links are broken, then they should be removed...IMO...and besides...the main link to the first video reported on was removed...readd. DragonFire1024 18:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Title
The title is nearly 2 lines long in my browser window, and it should be changed as low numbers like three should be spelt out. Can we shorten it? --Brian McNeil / talk 08:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

What a silly photo?
What does this photo have to do with this story? Seems like nothing. Just put up a photo form the youtube video. You could also put up a photo of the kings face, but that seems silly when a photo from YouTube is fair use. 81.164.246.59 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What photo? There is a YouTube logo in the article. But I am afraid I don't know what other photo you are speaking of? DragonFire1024 19:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems an opportunity for a screen shot, if that would be allowable content here. (I would do it, but I have no time at the moment.) -Edbrown05 19:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, a screenshot seems ideal. I didn't realize it was so difficult to get an image off youtube, but here the images are pretty small anyway, so it wont hurt if its just a screenshot.  Anywho it's obviously okay to use one image from a video.  Maybe just his face with the feet?  81.164.246.59 20:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Headline: Thailand bans en.wikinews.org over screen shot insulting king
 * so on the other hand, maybe this isn't such a good idea. -Edbrown05 05:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As funny as it sounds, I think you just might be right....No screenshot...we don't want to make matter worse. DragonFire1024 06:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

.gif image to .svg
editprotected Proposal: Change link - to
 * Reason: .SVG file can be scaled and is of better quality than its .GIF counterpart. Cflm001 (talk) 08:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 01:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The origial user did not remove the video...I did!
I am a Thai national. When I first saw the insulting video back in 2007 - I was so furious and determine to hack "Paddidda" youtube account. youtube should be able to confirm that there were numerous failed/attemped log in about 3 hours from 10pm PT to about 1:00am PT leading to the remove/deletion of that video. The log in IP address would shown to be from someone (that me) within CISCO corporation - through VPN. The orginal user didnt use "hard" password. And once I got in their youtube account - the email address that was used to set up youtube, also was the same password!!! So I didnt have to hack the email address - It was a free email account with mail.com (paddidda@usa.com) : I immediately changed the password to both youtube and email account of the perpetrator. In Mail.com acc info, I was not able to trace further the whereabout or more info about the person who posted the original video - The address only list State : Minneapolis No other email address was listed. The original didnt even come forward to claim either youtube or email account (or report that someone hacked their accoung) - So today, even after 9 years - I am still holding control of both accounts. I even posted other type of video instead - like Miss Universe pageant clips with Mr. Trump!!!


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User talk:Eon8~enwikinews

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User talk:MurphysLaw09

Protected page of a blocked vandal account. DragonFire1024 07:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Protected page of a blocked vandal account. DragonFire1024 07:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Nonsense2323

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User talk:Dr adel225~enwikinews

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Dr adel225. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Dr adel225~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:Tobias~enwikinews

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Tobias. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Tobias~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:Deathbacon~enwikinews

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US Defense Secretary evaluates Iraq and the political climate

April 6, 2007 U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates warned that limiting funding for the United States efforts in Iraq could lead to more bloodshed in the Middle Eastern country. In an interview with radio talk show host Laura Ingraham, he said it might even lead to ethnic cleansing in Bahgdad and elsewhere in Iraq.

Gates' comment followed a proposal from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to end most spending on the Iraq war in 2008, limiting it to targeted operations against al Qaeda, training for Iraqi troops and U.S. force protection.

Sec. Gates also said that the duration of the troop increase is not clear and that evaluating whether the Administration's new strategy was working will have to wait till mid-summer. The Army general charged with day-to-day operations has suggested that the increased deployment may extend to early next year.

Congressional funding
Gates discussed the military’s need for funding to finance the war effort. He said he is concerned about delays in enacting an emergency supplemental bill. Each house of Congress has passed a version of the bill, and both versions contain a time line for U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq. The House version sets benchmarks of progress to be met by the Iraqi government. President Bush has vowed to veto any bill containing the withdrawal language.

Gates said each of the armed services will be affected by a delay, with the Army being the worst off. The service may be forced to suspend training for deploying forces, repairing equipment and putting in place a civilian hiring freeze. The secretary said a threatened complete cut-off of war "would be dramatic."

The Bush administration presents congress with war funding requests as emergency supplementals, not as part of the Pentagon's budget, a practice that began as costs were difficult to estimate during the start of the war. On October 10 of last year, Lt. Gen. David Melcher, deputy chief of staff for Army programming, material integration and management, told reporters that costs were now predictable enough to be included in the Pentagon budget proposals. The Bush administration, however, continues with the use of emergency supplementals. The supplemental funding requests are not accounted in national deficits, which, in the short term, gives the impression of a more positive-looking balance-sheet.

Until recently, the Administration had been sending supplemental requests six months after the fiscal year had started, rather than the six months prior to the start of the Pentagon's fiscal year. This meant the military used funds alloted originally for procurement, training and repair, instead for its war efforts during the first six months of the fiscal year. This put pressure on Congress to approve the funding bills quickly to prevent military funding from drying up. Even a separate bridge fund of $50 billion set up to offset the time pressure did not go very far, as $10 billion are used up every month in Iraq and Afghanistan. The 2007 and 2008 supplemental requests were sent to Capitol Hill in February, at the same time as the 2008 Defense Department budget request.

Security situation in Iraq
Gates said Thursday that increasing troop strength in Iraq and stepping up security in Baghdad is working.

Planners predicted the increase in major bombings by insurgents, Gates told reporters at a news conference. He blamed a "relatively small" number of people for sectarian killings. An unnamed U.S. military analyst told reporters last month that 70,000 "hard-line operators and part-time supporters" were actively resisting the current security operations.

"So far, so good…the early signs are positive," Gates said. "There is a great reluctance to engage in happy talk about this. It's a tough environment."

"One real possibility is if we abandon some of these areas and withdraw into the countryside or whatever to do these targeted missions that you could have a fairly significant ethnic cleansing inside Baghdad and in Iraq more broadly,"

"What we do know is if Baghdad is in flames and the whole city is engulfed in violence, the prospects for a political solution are almost non-existent,"

Al Qaeda continues to launch dramatic terror attacks against population centres, Gates said, adding some of these attacks are in reaction to the progress being made.

“It’s been part of their strategy since last year to foment sectarian violence,” Gates said. “I think some of these large car bombs are to counteract some of the positive things that have been happening as a result of even the two brigades going into Baghdad along with a significant number of Iraqi forces.”

Gates said he is pleased with the commitment and cooperation from the Iraqi government. The Iraqis have delivered the additional troops they promised, and Iraqi commanders in Baghdad are directing operations. The Iraqi government is allowing Iraqi security forces and coalition forces into any neighbourhood.

The Iraqi government also is maintaining its commitment to no political interference in operations, Gates said.


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I sent a photo request into the UN's press office. They grant a license to journalists that want to use an image...its free I just have to wait until that repsonse comes and they grand a free license. Until then its publicity. DragonFire1024 08:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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I removed this as it had nothing to do with the article. Highly POV. DragonFire1024 09:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * relevant background. tell what is the current state of affairs. how does he know what's going to happen if he doesn't keep track of what's happening. –Doldrums(talk) 09:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's a (hypothetical) analogy. the government proposes that if gulf coast leevees are not built up, all of new orleans could be underwater in the next hurricane. would be refrain from pointing out that half of new orleans is underwater as we speak and that the government actually doesn't monitor the submergence? –Doldrums(talk) 09:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can prove all of that and word it in a way that you are not pissed off about it maybe...but the way it was added was a total regard for a person's POV on the war. DragonFire1024 09:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * what specifically in the wording do you object to? the wording reports that US does not publicly track casualties. it reports what independent estimates say. what would u change to make it "npov"? –Doldrums(talk) 09:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i agree with Doldrums, its relevant background and not POV in the slightest it just states two facts! XBehave 10:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV template
Can I have some clarification as to why this has NPOV on it? I don't see anything wrong with it. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * because relevant background information has been removed from it. –Doldrums(talk) 10:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * could the information be put back and the NPOW tags be removed i dont see anything wrong eitherXBehave 10:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict twice] relevant? how can you call that relevant? it was so bias, it made BBC look right (and that's not even possible). That info you added was not even related to this article, and when you think about it, if the US pull out, you would be having to add 3 "000" to the end.
 * This is a case of, a non-anti Iraq article (wow, that's a real big change!) thus other wikinewies are very unhappy, how can this happen! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 10:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * it's very simple, Gates says, if you don't follow his policy, something will happen. the deleted information tells you what has been happening as you do follow his policy. it also points out that while Gates asserts something will get worse, he doesn't track officially the statistic that is supposed to get worse. both excellently relevant information about a public policy matter. this article primarily reported (before i added some stuff) what Gates said, already not exactly npov. to now say that facts that do not support someone's point of view shld be removed just makes it worse. if Gates or anybody else notable has predicted numbers for what happens after a withdrawal, then sure, lets report them too. –Doldrums(talk) 10:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * when talking about a war how can the number of casualties not be relevant? XBehave 10:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Xbehave, can u pls clarify why removed the npov template, even though the removed info has not been added back?
 * i removed the POV template as the i thought the issue was over the inclusion of the death count and as that's been removed then the article is NPOV! XBehave 10:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't ever think a declaration of War was issued, so its not a real war.
 * It makes no sence to have that in this article, it POV Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 10:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well we will report that...when its available. To add anything pertaining to your edit, i linked above, before then, is POV and speculation. Do you know what he [Gates] thinks? Also even congress did not officially ever declare war, needless to say, they funded it. But nonetheless... DragonFire1024 10:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is under the Iraq war portal, but i dont think calling it a war is really an issue the fact is that 3000 people dying in the insurgency, civil war, w/e you want to call it still relevant XBehave 10:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He is talking about the troops and such that will die. not that have died. Irrevelant. DragonFire1024 10:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC
 * He's not talking about troops. if he's saying things will get worse, surly its needed to know how things are now? XBehave 10:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC), i mean it would be quite a different storry if in the last three months 10 people had died and he said there would be ethnic cleansing if they left!

front page
could we add this page back to the list of articles! im not sure if we can/how to do this leaving the POV tag in place XBehave 11:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As soon as this article is NPOV, and the tag is removed, it will go back under current articles. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 11:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * it appears in the list of developing (disputed) articles so other contributors can also join in working on it. –Doldrums(talk) 11:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

casualty figures
i intend to add "UN Human rights officials say 1.6 million people are internally displaced in Iraq and another 1.8 million have left the country" to the casualty figures. the idea is give readers an overview of the current security situation in the country, as background for Gates' predictions (conditional) of ethnic cleansing to come. i'm on the lookout for Iraqi civilian casualty figures for this year. –Doldrums(talk) 14:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

On NPOV; presenting death tolls, casualties and other background information; and the headline
Here are my opinions, if anyone cares:

Is the article neutral?
I'd say yes. The article is about what Sec. Gates has said. His views are clearly attributed to him. I think we'd all agree that given his job, what he has to say is newsworthy. This article is reporting on things that Gates said and is not update on the current status of the War in Iraq (or whatever one wishes to call it: Mission in Iraq, Occupation of Iraq, or Operation Law and Order).

To what degree should death tolls, casualties and other background information be presented?
While Gates introduces the possibility of 'ethnic cleansing' he does not provide estimates of how many would die or be displaced. Introducing statistics about the current situation would seem like the article (or the writer of it, but since we are a collaborative effort I'll just say 'the article') is attempting to engage Gates in a debate. And that, I believe, would be a violation of NPOV. This article should present what Gates is saying. If one wants to report casualty figures and death tolls and statistics on displaced people, that would be a perfectly legitimate article, but a separate article. I see that the UNHCR has a new briefing on this very subject. Well, write an article on that briefing. And in that article there will be no need to bring up what Gates thinks about the possibility of ethnic cleansing.
 * NPOV requires that we not only provide one person's characterisation of an situation, but also other significant views, and more importantly, facts relevant to the situation. if a government official makes a statement at odds with known information, would we refrain from reporting the known info, because that would be "engaging in a debate"? gates has made a very clear suggestion that things are going to get worse than what they are now. why would we not want to report what we know about the present situation? –Doldrums(talk) 18:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * to only report what gates says is not a news report, its a press release. –Doldrums(talk) 18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The headline
While the headline is certainly eye-catching, I don't think it is appropriate. The vast majority of the article deals with other things that Gates said. I also noticed that all of the sources listed avoided putting that in their headlines.
 * how about something along Gates urges U.S. congress to approve military funding? –Doldrums(talk) 18:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since both the House and Senate have already passed legislation perhaps US Secretary of Defense laments Congressional legislation or US Secretary of Defense worried about spending bills. --SVTCobra 21:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I went 'super-neutral' with the headline. Actually, I think it is good, in retrospect. It entices the reader instead of telling them what is in the article. --SVTCobra 01:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

other comments
One thing that seems to be missing is information about what forum Gates said all these things. Only in the section "Security situation in Iraq" mentions that some of it came from a press conference. But I gather from the sources that the "ethnic cleansing" comment, for example, came from a radio interview. These things should be presented.

 * Oh, also, the sources list has things that would be used to put things in the article that I don't feel belong. So naturally, I am of the opinion they shouldn't be listed in the final article if it is published. --SVTCobra 18:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, these are my thoughts. I hope you take them into consideration. --SVTCobra 18:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * If I could put my two cents in on the disputed article, I think the writing in it has become a bit conversational - even beyond the argument of whether there should be different POV included. For instance: "The supplemental funding requests are not accounted in national deficits, and so help keep a better looking balance-sheet." The phrase, "better looking balance-sheet", feels like an opinion and I can't find it in a source, unless it is in the LA Times article. The LA Times is asking me to sign in or register before it will show me the story.

 * Also, the Monsters & Critics source where most of this section comes from states: "The Army got its way this year, certainly helped by a change in defense secretaries. Both the 2007 and the 2008 supplemental request went to Capitol Hill in February with the 2008 annual budget request for the Defense Department." This implies that the delay tactic has been stopped. But our article doesn't mention this and implies that the six month delay for supplemental requests is still going on. Jcart1534 00:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Jcart, to be honest, for all I wrote about this, I never became that intimate with the details of the article. My focus was on the POV issues (or is that NPOV issues?) so I was mostly occupied with the talk page. I was not among the contributors to this article or this talk page until Doldrums' collaboration request in the newsroom. I did not edit the article until the POV tag was lifted. In other words, your comments seem to be about budget details about which I know nothing. I suggest that you click the 'add comment' instead of 'edit this' tab. This will create a new section for debate without getting buried in my diatribe. --SVTCobra 02:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * thanks Jcart for catching that. i missed the fact that the 2008 supplemental is going on time. my mistake. i'll be correcting the article. the "better looking balance sheet" was an effort to explain what an expense that adds to the national debt but does not get listed on the national deficit means, the "better" reflects the fact that that both Congress and the White House express a desire to keep the deficit down, and "better looking", as the supplementals mean that the debt (which the deficit is meant to track) goes up but the deficit doesn't account for it. if there's a better way to say it, i've no problems with rewording. –Doldrums(talk) 12:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Sounds good, Doldrums. I had gone ahead and made some small edits to that effect. If they are not suitable, please feel free to change them back. Cheers, Jcart1534 20:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Reply to Doldrums' comment about 5.2 ==

You and I have debated this issue before, most notably in the article Iraqi authorities say Baghdad violence has dropped sharply, where I took issue with you for presenting statistics from Iraq Body Count and New York Times. I felt that in an article that was about what somebody (in that case an Iraqi general) said did not need to be contradicted by statistics from other sources. That time I made my argument by attacking the credibility of those sources and eventually acquiesced, though I remained unconvinced (not about the credibility but the need for that information in the article).

This time it is similar, but also quite different. In retrospect, I think I should have made my argument on these grounds back then. What it all hinges upon is the need to present both sides to maintain a NPOV. WN:NPOV touches on this subject in A consequence: writing for the enemy.

At this point I think it is important to consider what the article is about. If we can agree that all articles are about events in one shape or another, I think they can be broken down, into two main categories.

An article reporting about an event, such as an incident or action, should present both sides. For example, 15 Royal Navy sailors captured at gunpoint by Iranian guards would be totally POV if it did not present the Iranian view that the sailors were in Iranian waters.

On the other hand, an article reporting about an event such as an announcement, a speech, an interview, or a press conference, should not face the same demands. In these cases, the article is just reporting, what someone said or did, and can do so neutrally without presenting opposing views or refute what they said or did. We, as Wikinews, are just there to bear witness and report what we saw or heard (or read as is mostly the case for an internet based news agency). I call into evidence this article, Security Council recommends Ban Ki-moon for UN Secretary-General. This article reports on the event of the Security Council recommendation of Ban Ki-moon, which basically is an announcement. It would have been totally inappropriate to litter the article with information like so-and-so thought John Doe would be better etc. Likewise, it would have been inappropriate to include any of things that are in this section of Ban Ki-moon's Wikipedia page (Criticism). In fact, if one did so, I think that would be engaging the Security Council in debate.

Therefore, I recommend that the article about Gates (it is currently called Warning of 'ethnic cleansing' if US pulls out of Iraq, a headline that I disagree with) be published without statistics about casualties, death tolls, displaced peoples etc.

If it is published with that information, which I am not saying is inaccurate in any way, it also opens the door for the other side, which is to include the good things that are happening in Iraq. I know, sounds far fetched, but there are many public works projects taking place there. It becomes an open-ended article. We could end up having to include Saddam Husseins final statements or what Rush Limbaugh said last Tuesday (I don't actually know what he said last Tuesday or any day for that matter). Oh and we can't leave out Cindy Sheehan, and OBL himself might want to weigh in on this.

Ok, I got a little silly there at the end. But in conclusion I think this article should stay focused and on point, which is to report on what Gates said. All the other stuff belongs in other articles. --SVTCobra 20:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * There is a new article on Wikinews: UK naval crew describe their capture and detention by Iran. As of this writing it does not include anything about the Iranian view of their "mandatory vacation" as I think Ahmadinejad jokingly called it after his press conference where he pardoned them. Nor should it. It is just an article about what they said. If one includes "Iran said they were treated like kings" (a deliberate exaggeration) or whatever Iran actually says, it is engaging the naval crew in debate and close to calling them liars. In this case, if Iran refutes their statements, then another Wikinews article should written. While on the subject of "2007 Iranian seizure of Royal Navy personnel", I was on the side of Ahmadinejad on the use of the word "pardon". The article Ahmadinejad to free British navy personnel sparked a debate about that word. Some were of the opinion that it should not have been in the article (main argument that it implied guilt). I again took my position that this was an article about what he said or did. However, this article did not get published without changing "Ahmadinejad pardoned . . ." to "Ahmadinejad says he pardoned . . ." (those quotes might not be exact). Completely silly. He pardoned them in his country under their laws. There should be no debate about this. He said this and did this . . . we report it. Should be simple.--SVTCobra 21:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks SVTCobra. I considered the title of the article, UK naval crew describe their capture and detention by Iran, carefully before publishing. I also considered the Iranian point of view, but realized it wasn't necessary to have it represented in that article. As you suggested, it was a report on the British troops accounting of their experience in the whole affair. It is not to say that we would agree or disagree that theirs is an accurate depiction of what happened. But it is what they relayed to the public. Jcart1534 01:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Gates is advocating a particular course of action on a public policy matter. to not include other views and background facts is to deliberately suppress those and offer Gates' uncritically. i repeat, that is a press release, not an npov article. i'm betting the Iranian article had a line about what the Brit view as well. –Doldrums(talk) 05:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it did because you put it there. --SVTCobra 11:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, it was a nice tight little sentence the basically said "brits say they're inncocent" --SVTCobra 12:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * half of this article is a section called "Security situation in Iraq". but we can't report known casualty figures? –Doldrums(talk) 06:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you think there absolutely must be an "alternate" view presented, I think it should be a blurb. And since, as you say, Gates is advocating a particular course of action on a public policy matter, then the opposing view should be that of the Democrats who favor a different course. Not a bunch of facts and figures, I am sorry, I just don't see how that could belong. --SVTCobra 12:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And just because I am long-winded, doesn't make me an authority, I am just hoping that I can make a convincing argument. --SVTCobra 12:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Iraq political climate
How about a similar article on Iran? Do U.N. sanctions apply to the Bushehr nuclear plant? Will Russia be constrained to deliver fuel to Bushehr? What is the US response to "April 9th nuclear day" declared by Iranian officials? And of course, what is the status of our pending aircraft carrier movements into the Persian Gulf, as well as the strike forces that are already there (USS Eisenhower and USS Stennis, soon to be joined by USS Nimitz). I would enjoy seeing many more articles on these subjects.

Junebaby

 * We have lots of stories on Iran including their nuclear program, but feel free to propose and/or write new ones. --SVTCobra 02:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Why was mine deleted?
Yes, I did an article but it was deleted from news shorts on April 11th because of technical objections. I had sources but they were not linked in your required syntax. In that case, why not just edit it or comment on it, rather than deleting it? Obviously, I am a newcomer struggling to contribute in the correct format.

Junebaby 14:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The deletion request archives are here and there's also the deletion log, here. A reason will be attached to the deletion log entry if it isn't listed in the DR archive. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

 * It will not be found in the deletion log as the article was deleted from the Shorts page in this revision due to the lack of sources adn not an overall page delete. If you had sources but do not know the correct syntax then just place them straight into the bottom of the articel and we will put them into the correct syntax for you.  The lack of sources was also discussed here.--Mark Talk 14:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


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