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Talk:Barrister Hyman sentenced to one year imprisonment for false incrimination

Why the phrase "hate crime"? In Canada (I'm not familiar with UK law), a "hate crime" is a specific term that relates to crimes that were committed with a motive of racial or ethnic hatred. --Quadrastreet 17:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

A very good question. No other news service seems to be calling this a hate crime, or ascribing any motive to it that I can see. 159.53.46.142 18:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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2007 ICC World Twenty20: South Africa vs India

September 20, 2007

have defeated by 37 runs in the Super 8 stage of the  at, Durban, South Africa.

South Africa are eliminated from the tournament, while India and New Zealand progress to the semi finals from Group E.

India were left on 61-4 after Gautam Gambhir was dismissed for nineteen and Dinesh Karthik was  behind for a  two balls later. Virender Sehwag was caught behind for 11 and Robin Uthappa made 15, but Rohit Sharma (50 ) and Mahendra Singh Dhoni (45) shared a of 85 runs as India recovered to 153-5.

In response South Africa collapsed to 31-5 as R P Singh took 4-13 and Sreesanth took 2-23. Mark Boucher and Albie Morkel both scored 36 runs and shared a partnership of 69 runs, but South Africa fell 37 runs short after 20 overs, finishing on 116-9.

Toss: India won, and chose to bat first.

Fall of wickets: 1-32 (Gambhir, 4.4 ov), 2-33 (Karthik, 4.6 ov), 3-33 (Sehwag, 5.1 ov), 4-61 (Uthappa, 10.3 ov), 5-146 (Dhoni, 19.4 ov)

Did not bat: Harbhajan Singh, Joginder Sharma, S Sreesanth, R P Singh

Fall of wickets: 1-11 (Gibbs, 1.1 ov), 2-12 (Smith, 1.4 ov), 3-12 (de Villiers, 2.3 ov), 4-30 (Kemp, 5.4 ov), 5-31 (Pollock, 5.5 ov), 6-100 (Boucher, 16.4 ov), 7-103 (Philander, 17.4 ov), 8-109 (JA Morkel, 18.4 ov), 9-111 (van der Wath, 19.4 ov)

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Type O Negative announce US tour details; Lordi supporting

September 20, 2007 American Gothic doom metal band Type O Negative have announced details of their upcoming tour of the United States.

The supporting act for the entire tour is confirmed to be Lordi, a Finnish melodic hard rock band known for their monster costumes and lyrical themes. The tour is spread across fifteen dates, and is in support of Type O Negative's new album, Dead Again. The album is the band's seventh, and reached number seven on the Billboard 200 and No. 2 on the magazine's Top Independent Album's chart.

"Spacing the records far apart is how you achieve diverse results," said a statement by keyboardist Josh Silver. "When you're forced to write an album every year or eight months, you haven't changed - you're still the same asshole you were eight months ago. We've been different assholes every record. We've retained our identity through all the changes."

The dates announced for the tour are as follows:

 * October 12 New Haven, Connecticut - Toad's Place
 * October 13 Worcester, Massachusetts - The Palladium
 * October 14 Clifton Park, New York - Northern Lights
 * October 16 Allentown, Pennsylvania - Crocodile Rock Café
 * October 17 Buffalo, New York - Town Ballroom
 * October 20 Milwaukee, - Wisconsin The Eagle's Club
 * October 21 Chicago, Illinois - The Vic
 * October 23 Knoxville, Tennessee - Blue Cats
 * October 24 Atlanta, Georgia - The Masquerade
 * October 25 Asheville, North Carolina - The Orange Peel
 * October 26 Louisville, Kentucky - Headliner's Music Hall
 * October 27 Detroit, Michigan - Harpo's
 * October 29 New York, New York - The Fillmore @ Irving Plaza
 * October 30 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Trocadero
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Canadian dollar reaches parity with US dollar

September 20, 2007

The rising value of the Canadian briefly matched the falling United States  for the first time since 1976, before closing at 0.9987 US dollars on Thursday. The Canadian dollar has risen 62% since bottoming out at 0.6179 US dollars in 2002, following a steady decline since the 1976 electoral victory of  in  which triggered economic fears about Canadian stability.

As a result of their rising currency, Canadians have enjoyed cheaper imports from the US and tourism in the US, while export industries have suffered. The Canadian dollar's recent rise is partly due to the soaring prices of oil, gold, copper, and wheat, which Canada exports in great quantities. The Canadian economy has also benefited from Canada's large budget and trade surpluses.

The value of the US dollar has also fallen in relation to other currencies in the past year: while the Canadian dollar rose 16%, the Euro gained 6%, the Japanese yen about 4%, and the British pound 2%.

The US dollar took a sharp hit this week due to a higher-than-expected half-point cut in interest rates by the, intended to mitigate the effects of a deepening housing slump and turbulence in the credit market.


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Court decision means Floyd Landis loses Tour de France title

September 20, 2007 2006 Tour de France champion Floyd Landis will be stripped of his title after test results revealed, Friday, the cyclist used synthetic testosterone during the competition.

Landis may also face a two year ban, even though he has repeatedly denied using any performance-enhancing drugs.

The final option that would salvage Landis' title is to file an appeal with the Court of Arbitration for Sport. He has one month to file the appeal.

If Landis is not able to save his title, he will be the first person in over 105 years to lose the title because of a drug charge.

U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart said, "Today's ruling is a victory for all clean athletes and everyone who values fair and honest competition."

Landis said, "This ruling is a blow to athletes and cyclists everywhere...For the Panel to find in favor of USADA when, with respect to so many issues, USADA did not manage to prove even the most basic parts of their case shows that this system is fundamentally flawed. I am innocent, and we proved I am innocent."


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10-year-old boy missing after car gets carjacked

September 20, 2007 Police in Florida, United States, are looking for a 10-year-old boy who was last seen in the back seat of a car that was later carjacked.

Authorities at the Broward County sheriff's office say that Louis Gonzalez was with his stepfather when his stepfather was forced out of the car by an armed suspect. Another suspect was also at the scene at the time of the crime. Both suspects were males.

Gonzalez's stepfather had just came from the area bank.

The car was hijacked at about 12:40 p.m. today at the corner of McNab Road and Andrews Avenue in Pompano Beach, Florida.

An Amber Alert has been issued for the boy.

He was last seen wearing a No. 3 Dwayne Wade Miami Heat jersey with red shorts. The boy was also wearing black Adidas sandals with black socks.

Police are also looking for the missing car, a 2007 grey Nissan Maxima. The car is said to have temporary plates on it and is also said to have tinted windows and a sunroof.

Kayla Concepcion of the Broward County sheriff's office said, "The most important thing we want out right now is the information that will help find this boy."

The boys mother has been contacted.

Anyone with information about the case should contact the Broward County sheriff's office at (1)-954-765-4321 or call 911.


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Fears grow about U.S. dollar stability

September 20, 2007 The U.S. economy and its currency as an instrument of world trade has suffered a series of major setbacks in recent months. Some analysts say that the Federal Reserve's September 18th dramatic rate cut to 4.75% from 5.25% may be a case of "too little, too late", or that it was excessive and dooms the dollar.

Today, Saudi officials declined to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time in decades. According to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor for The Daily Telegraph, "it's a signal that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East."

Hans Redeker, the Currency Chief at BNP Paribas, also stated today that Saudi Arabia's move to not adjust their own interest rates in sync with the Fed's cuts is a very dangerous situation for the US dollar. Redeker points out that "Saudi Arabia has $800bn (£400bn) in their future generation fund, and the entire region has $3,500bn under management. They face an inflationary threat and do not want to import an interest rate policy set for the recessionary conditions in the United States."

Saudi central bank officials said that "appropriate measures" would be taken to stop the large capital inflows into the country. The Federal Reserve's half-point rate cut has already caused a plunge in the world dollar index to a fifteen-year low, reaching the weakest level ever against the Euro at just under $1.40.

The Fed hopes that by making it cheaper to borrow, people will start spending and investing more. However, some analysts fear the cut will worsen inflation, making it harder to get personal loans, and further decrease confidence in the dollar around the world. There are already signs that global investors have started rejecting U.S. Treasury securities, and recent U.S. government data on foreign holdings show a decline in purchases of US securities from $97bn to just $19bn in July.

In response to Ben Bernanke's statements today about a potential mortgage and housing market crisis, CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer said, "If adjustable mortgage rates go up, people may not be able to afford their mortgage payments." Former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan said earlier this week that housing prices may fall by "double digits" as the subprime crisis bites harder, prompting households to cut back sharply on spending.

Jim Rogers, the economic commentator and former partner of George Soros, stated, "If Ben Bernanke starts running those printing presses even faster than he's already doing, we are going to have a serious recession. The dollar's going to collapse, the bond market's going to collapse. There's going to be a lot of problems."

In recent months, the U.S. dollar has taken several other significant hits including Kuwait's decision in May to also break its dollar peg, and threats by China to interfere with the U.S. economy, calling it their nation's "nuclear option". According to public sources, the Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions that seek to force a Yuan revaluation.

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2007 Rugby World Cup: Wales 72 - 18 Japan

September 20, 2007

Wales defeated Japan 72-18 in Pool B of the 2007 Rugby World Cup at the Millennium Stadium, Cardiff.

Japan opened the scoring in the fourth minute with a Shotaro Onishi penalty. Alun Wyn Jones scored a try for Wales seven minutes later, but Kosuke Endo scored for Japan soon afterwards after running the length of the pitch. Wales took the lead with tries from James Hook and Thomas Rhys Thomas and a Stephen Jones penalty. Shotaro Onishi scored another penalty for Japan to reduce the lead to thirteen points, but Kevin Morgan added another try, bringing the score to 29-11 at half time and winning a bonus point for Wales.

Although Hirotoki Onozawa scored Japan's second try of the match, Wales comfortably won after scoring seven tries in the second half. Mike Phillips, Dafydd James and Gareth Cooper each scored, while Martyn Williams and Shane Williams scored two each.

Wales are currently second in Pool B on points difference, behind Australia and ahead of Fiji who all have ten points. Japan are fourth with one point, ahead of Canada with none.


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O.J. Simpson returns home; girlfriend says he's "fine"

September 20, 2007 Former National Football League star O.J. Simpson returned to his home in Florida this morning after being released on a $125,000 bond. While Simpson is not talking to the media, his girlfriend, Christine Prody, said that he is "fine."

Simpson left the Fort Lauderdale airport in a SUV without talking to any reporters.

Simpson is being accused of armed robbery of sports memorabilia and faces 11 charges, 10 of which are felonies.

While aboard his US Airways flight from Las Vegas, Simpson nodded and smiled at the other passengers in the economy class section of the plane. He also signed a few autographs.

New York Post reporter Steve Dunleavy, who was aboard the same airplane as Simpson said, "between dozing and watching the movie 'Oceans 13,' [Simpson] didn't look the least stressed. In fact, he was rather relaxed."


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Way to go, Dan! Stick a wrench in the machine! ^5 199.173.226.236 22:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Canadian dollar reaches parity with US dollar

Closing date
It closed at 99.98 on Wednesday or THursday? Maybe it's a timezone thing, or maybe I just don't know what time the stock exchange "closes out" on a given day - but either way, the article should clarify. Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed'' 22:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

 * It closed at that price today (Thursday), according to CBC; I've clarified the article. —Pathoschild 22:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia news
w:Portal:Current events/Canada/September 2007

Category and link
edit protected Please add this article to Category:United States dollar and localize a link of the same or similar name. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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High-Five
The high-fiver is none other than Jake Byrd, who seems to be some wacko that shows up everywhere there is a TV camera. --SVTCobra 00:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, as reknown psychics and medical doctors, we do not believe any of this ever happened! Email us to find out the real story. (sorry, no free advertising here irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  21:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)). There are so many penniless people trying to capitalize on someone's fame, that we are overwhelmed at their lack of scruples. etc. We have seen too many "stories" lately of the same venue--famous person again involved in some preposterous set-up. that we know that our predictions are right!!!!Municipalities are in dire straits to say the least. We know that this story will be resolved positively, and very soon. It is just too hot and radiated in Vegas for anyone to even want a trial!!!! It's a wonder those Barettas and other weapons didn't disintegrate on the spot. We know those memorabilia auctioneers wish they had chosen other careers.

murderer!
oj is a murderer and he should have went to jail for it. He also armed robbed three men he should have stayed in jail they shouldn't have even givin him bail...they knew he was going to post bail....he sucks and he never was a good football player anyway!

OJ is a poopy head —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.230.209.82 (talk) 13:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

OJ is innocent! This is just more BS of white men who dont stand it when a black man finlly makes some suces in the world!! WTF!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.71.81.38 (talk) 06:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


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The spiraling down of the U.S. dollar is caused by three things: Rising anti-Americanism, the conflicts in the middle east and most importantly, a treasury department that has NO IDEA what it is doing. It won't be like this forever, if you look at history, the Euro and USD have gone over and under each other in value thought the Euro's existence. But first, the war in the middle east needs to end, and there needs to be someone who isn't stupid running the treasury department. Contralya 00:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn Canadafags just got lucky. Guess all those books with $7.00 (US) and $10.00 (Canada) on the back should be changed now, eh?
 * We ask that you please remain civil. Calling the residents of Canada a bunch of cigarettes doesn't make sense anyway. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  07:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

There was an article about the disparity in book and automobile prices in Canada. I don't believe the fall of the dollar has much to do with anti-Americanism. It has to do with monetary and fiscal policy. GettingItRight 23:37, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not anti-Americanism but massive debt plus Bush's insane fiscal policy (including Iraq). Currencies can fluctuate but now the dollar will necessarily stay down for quite a while.

I'd say will see 1 USD = 2 Euro = 3 Pounds soon enough, or likely even worse exchange rates. Here the point is more that a very weak dollar gives the U.S. two things : If we had good fiscal policies, i.e. not republicans, then an exchange rate of 1 dollar for 2 or 3 euros means our debt is effectively 1 half or 1 third the original value. So American's pay for their debt by paying more for imports. And everyone else pays too by not exporting as much.
 * 1) a reduction in the absolute value of the debt, and
 * 2) more income from trade for paying off that debt.

So thje point is the dollar can't really come back up until the debt is reduced because the debt is the fundamental reason it's down. It didn't matter while the financial sheep didn't see the debt but Bush's bad management & Iraq war has opened their eyes.

In the long run I hope that low dollar values will help the world economy by reducing prices everywhere. Some peoples, like the French, are price conscious and resist price increases. But others stupidly just accept them, like the British. Americans are quite likely to fight the price increases coming with inflation, and just maybe drive down prices world wide. Nyarlathotep 00:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

As of right now
CAD is worth 1.00889 USD. Sahmeditor 18:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

1.00 CAD = 1.01935 USD" (Xe.com)
 * "Live rates at 2007.10.05 20:24:14 UTC

—65.93.97.122 20:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Poor sheepies! First the bird flue, than the horses, now this... I wonder what is next? Contralya 01:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Maoists quit joint-government in Nepal

Girija Koirala vs Girija Prasad Koirala
Which one is better? more preferable? I would have the Prasad in the text of the article. Please let me kno of your opinion. Regards, --Kushal one 01:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I am not aware of Nepalese custom, but unless it is usual for the media to include his "middle" name, then we typically do not include it. If he is better known as "Girija Prasad" than "Girija" in Nepal though, then I suppose you were right and we should change it back. Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed'' 02:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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This is not news
The fact that Wikinews would publish something about a dispute between a group of Internet trolls and an inprisoned evangelist is disgraceful.

--02:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree that this sounds more like a mocking personal vendetta. Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed'' 02:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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UN Security Council extends Afghan force mandate

September 21, 2007 The United Nations Security Council has voted 14–0 to extend the mandate of the (ISAF) in Afghanistan by another year.

The resolution says the Security Council agreed to, "extend the authorization of the International Security Assistance Force, as defined in resolutions 1386 (2001) and 1510 (2003), for a period of 12 months beyond October 13, 2007."

Although Russia has veto power on the Security Council, it abstained during the 14-0 vote on September 19th.

Russian Ambassador to the United Nations,, told RIA Novosti Russia abstained because of what he called, "the unexpected inclusion in the document of a sentence expressing appreciation to NATO .... "including its maritime interdiction component." "

Part of Resolution 1776 (2007) reads, "Expressing its appreciation for the leadership provided by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and for the contributions of many nations to ISAF and to the OEF coalition, including its maritime interdiction component."

Media reports indicate this section of the resolution provides support to Japan in a domestic dispute in that country over refueling of U.S. and other ships in the Indian Ocean. Japanese government spokesperson, Kaoru Yosano, told Reuters the resolution was welcome, adding, "It is very important that Japan's refueling activity was evaluated highly by the United Nations and members of the U.N. Security Council."

"A decision was made to give priority to domestic considerations of some members of the United Nations," Churkin told Agence France Presse. "The unity of the Security Council has been sacrificed to undue haste."

Even before the Security Council vote, Japanese officials hoped the resolution would clear the way to extend a naval mission assisting U.S.-led Afghanistan military operations, showing support for Washington and averting a conflict in the Japanese in parliament as a new government begins its mandate there.

The leader of Japan's main opposition Democratic Party, Ichiro Ozawa, has opposed extending Japan's mission to refuel coalition ships in the Indian Ocean, in part because he says the activities lack a direct U.N. imprimatur.

Although expressing concerns about the resolution, and calling for future decisions on the issue to be made "by consensus", China supported the resolution.

The resolution extends the ISAF mission mandate under Chapter VII of the until October 13, 2008.

Expressing its concern about all civilian casualties, the resolution, condemns "in the strongest terms all attacks, including Improvised Explosive Device (IED) attacks, suicide attacks and abductions, targeting civilians and Afghan and international forces and their deleterious effect on the stabilization, reconstruction and development efforts in Afghanistan," as well as "the use by the Taliban and other extremist groups of civilians as human shields."

The resolution also calls for ISAF coalition members to, "sustain their efforts to train and empower the National Police and other Afghan forces."

ISAF currently has approximately 39,000 troops deployed in Afghanistan. Its mission, as stated on the ISAF web page, is to, "conduct military operations in the assigned area of operations to assist the Government of Afghanistan in the establishment and maintenance of a safe and secure environment with full engagement of Afghan National Security Forces, in order to extend government authority and influence, thereby facilitating Afghanistan's reconstruction and contributing to regional stability."


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Two Michigan children, aged 9 and 11, charged with sex crimes

September 21, 2007

Two boys, aged nine and 11, have been charged with coercing a seven-year-old male schoolmate in Howell, Michigan, to perform oral sex on multiple occasions, while on their way to school four months ago. All the children attend Howell Elementary School.

The victim's father reported the alleged abuse to police after the seven-year-old boy was caught performing oral sex on his younger brother - and explained that he had done it before on the school bus.

The two boys charged with sexual misconduct could be listed on Michigan state's sex offender registry if they are convicted. The older boy has been released on a US$25,000 bond, with the condition of 24-hour monitoring.

The bus where the alleged events occurred was equipped with a video camera, but Chuck Breiner, superintendent of the school, says that they do not reveal any sexual activity between passengers.


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This is sick
I think this just demonstrates the moral depravity of our society. This nation has turned so far away from God that we have kids raping kids.

It's time for decent people to take a stand and get the Bible back into the marketplace and fight back against satan.

--206.116.168.12 04:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. Because religious men have absolutely no trouble resisting sexual temptation and raping boys. That's never happened. Get real, guy. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  05:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Only catholics. --206.116.168.12 06:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're delusional if you believe that. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  06:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Muslims too, but no Christians. --206.116.168.12 11:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not anyone that should go by the title of Religious, anyway. --70.67.109.187 15:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Predatory or Experimental?
I am so sick of these weirdos trying justify pedophilia.

Who cares what their motives were, they should both be hanged.

Although, to be honest hanging is probably too honorable for them. I say shoot them like dogs.

--206.116.168.12 05:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to tell me you'd hang two children? Or shoot them? Who is the monster here? irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  05:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would hang or shoot them. In fact (as long as there were no legal consequences for me) I would volunteer to hang them and provide my own rope. --206.116.168.12 06:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like I need to make a call to the police. What a guy, folks! irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  06:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ever heard of something called the First Ammendment? --206.116.168.12 11:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The first amendment's protections of free speech ends where you infringe on the rights of others. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  19:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If they do such things as children, what would they be up to as grown-ups? Int19h 06:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, clearly we shouldn't try counseling. Boy, would that be a ridiculous idea. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  06:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Discussion over. --71.84.195.131 20:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe prevention instead of punishment? Earlier sex education, or maybe just teaching kids thats its wrong to trick or coerce others. You can teach morality without necessarily attaching religious rhetoric. On the other side, just teach kids that they don't have to do what others tell them to do. It'd make it harder for teachers to keep control of a class of kids, but prepare them better for sticking up for themselves in real life. --121.45.6.6 16:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

-Punishment, yes, but certainly not shooting them. Psychiatric help and other counseling would also be in order. Religion, however, has little to do with this issue- you don't need to be indoctrinated to have morals.

First affairs with teachers...
I thought Teabagging was out of hand! I doubt this stuff would be so common if people told their children about 'the birds and the bees' earlier and in more creative ways. And I am sure it has nothing to do with religion. Hiding the fact that sex exists can only leave people more open to 'experimentation'. Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdzrX-otxSI (sorry I couldn't find one without the stupid text interruptions, bear with it). Contralya 10:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

These are just kids. Yes, what they've done is wrong, but it's not because they're demented. They're ignorant. They don't realize what an invasion of space this is, more than likely, or how wrong it is. Something like this happened locally a couple months ago; apparently the victimizer had been abused in his own home.

This kids need to be controlled, monitors, and counselled. Probably psychiatrically treated. Huge punishment for minors, especially pre-pubescent kids... no way.

I didn't say they needed to be punished and they are simply ignorant. But LIKE I SAID, if they would of been told about that stuff it probably wouldn't of happened.

I am reminded of how once a very religious couple talked to a doctor about not being able to have a baby. The doctor asked them how often they had sex, and they didn't know what sex was because of their parents. Contralya 17:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

9/11!

Yea, that is weird!

Jailtime
I think they should be put in jail for that. They knew what they were doing was wrong. Flubeca 00:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

damn ... that is just sick ... what has happened to youth ? 84.170.102.90 09:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


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LOL
Why would anyone pay to have a dog shipped from Nigeria?

You morons deserve to be scammed!

Children are dying in Nigeria for lack of $1 worth of anti-biotics or grain and you people spend $500 to have a soul-less dog shipped back to your home?

--206.116.168.12 04:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, but while one can flip the TV channel away from the crying, starving, filthy child during a 30-second ad, they cannot bear to look away from an adorable puppy. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  05:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess, personally I've never really liked dogs all that much. --206.116.168.12 05:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

grand scheme
I wonder how insignificant this is in the grand scheme of internet scamming? With the 'I love you' virus, and the massive amounts of Asians farming MMORPGs for money in sweat shops? Contralya 10:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Farming for MMORPGs isn't really a scam. It's pretty stupid for anyone to pay for fake items though. --206.116.168.12 11:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not technically a scam, but it is abuse. Getting items and money and stuff and selling it for real money; it has damaged many in-game economies (if you play runescape a free MMORPG, you will notice farmers are everywhere). What I meant was abuse of the internet that is or should be illegal.

Watch out alot of these scammers are from Cameroun and the same thing say its free and keep chaning there story. They say there wife has died or their daughter was in a car accident. Its freaking nuts dont trust them. If anyone wants I have all the e-mails stil savedon my computer if anyone wants to see the nonsence they say.

Thanks Samantha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.42.249 (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

i almost did it till i googled this site
yup i almost did it. same baby line. same i am a man of god line, i want a yorkie found one in an ad replied and he called her is baby annie, well thank god for google! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.25.209 (talk) 02:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I reciently was shoping online for a Cavalier puppy. I e-mailed one lady, Jessica Jones, about an add that was online about her puppies, she e-mailed me back (attached) that hers was sold but a friend had some that she could no longer keep because she was in Africa and it was not a good place to have puppies. I contacted her and her response is also attached below.....I tried to think of questions and things I could do to see if this was for real....I started searching online, trying to see if anything was out there about a scam on this...and I found your site. I feel that this was also a scam that I came real close to falling for! So.....everyone BEWARE! THey went to a lot of trouble to get this one started! Hope this may help someone!

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Hello, the puppy is AKC Registered, has all shots up-to-date and she's vet checked. But unfortunately, she's just been adopted, some minutes ago by Mr. Richard, and I was just been contacted by one of my customer that I sold some puppies to who mailed me just now to inform me that they are looking for a caring person to adopt their puppies. Her name is Evangelist Mariam Harper, she called me that she has been transferred to West Africa on a Christian mission, due to her immediate relocation, she went with her husband, and also had her puppies with her over there. Her commitment to the work of God could not enable her to stay with the puppies often according to her, and that the climatic condition of the country is too harsh for the puppy's health, so she needs a caring parent who can adopt the babies back to the United State of America as soon as possible. She will provide the shipping agent to have the puppies shipped back to you and you will only be paying for the shipping fee. I suggest you contact her soon as possible Via Email: mariamharper@gmail.com. She will be very much delightful to hear from you, so as to have these puppies shipped to you ASAP. She requested a caring and loving parent for her babies and I am so sure she will be so excited if she knows I directed you to her. Kindly notify me immediately the babies are adopted. Best Regards ______________________________________________________________________________________________

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Hello, Thanks for mailing me about my babies and i have them available with me. They are my real babies and it's really hard letting off this Angels but I have to if I really love them. I am currently on a Christian mission to the West Africa in a country called Nigeria. I came down with my babies. I got here to see that my babies are not meant for this kind of place. I need a God fearing person that will be there for this babies I am giving them out for adoption, it's only the shipping charge that is needed to get them back to the U.S.A.

My babies names are derby (female) and terry (male). They are 3months and a day old today, AKC registered recently dewormed, current on all shots, well animated and friendly kids and people. My church member loves them so much but I could not let any of them adopt the babies because it's still same West Africa. Let me have your full mailing address and the nearest airport to your home so as to determine what the shipping and handling charge would be from my shipping agent that shipped them into West Africa for me.

Please be a Dearing parent to this Angels when they arrives your home because they are my babies. They will be missed but I will always remember you and them in my daily prayers. Please see attached pics

God bless you

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E-mail #3

Hello, Thanks for the mail and interest in one of my babies, and my baby going to a loving home is a dream come true. The puppies are currently vaccinated, vet examined, health certified from a licensed vet,  comes with a hand written one year health guarantee and they are recently checked by a licensed vet doctor for heart, knees, skin, correct bite, and eyes, they are well socialized with many hours of play time and lots of love, they love playing with children and other pets and have their proper veterinary check ups, worming and dewormings.

They should eat out of a pan which has a flat bottom and straight sides, use stainless steel plates because it lasts longer, Do not use plastic for they food or water, they like Nylabone and Gummabone toys but do not give them a rawhide toy, for grooming, brush weekly and bath as it needs also  keep their hair trimmed out of his ears and eyes,  his bedding material should range from straw, wood shavings or beds of all types, the most common is cotton rugs or blankets which can be washed with ease.

They are trained but they need some little assistance, you can wait a while so that they are settled comfortably into their new home before you begin, they need lots of exercise like Long walks, jogging, playing and skills trials keep it happy. l feed with Nutro's, Iam's, and Eukanuba.

These kibbles produces a nice coat, keeps the puppies round but not obese, and produces solid stools. but do not feed them with a kibble which contains soyabeans. The puppies are well trained, their health is guarantee and they took the following vitaments.3V-Caps for development of skin and Coat, NEW Glycol-Flex Stage  for development of joints, also it's good if someone can always be on the look out for the puppies  since they are still young and tender.

They will be shipped with the following: 1. A 200 series travel kennel (29" L x 19" W x 18" H), Airline approved. 2. Health certificate and avid mic ro-chip form. 3. Updated and current shot and worming records. 4. 32 oz. Water bottle they will be accompanied with a Health Guarantee as well as one Hereditary Congenital Defect Guarantee, health license are available, a bath and a brand new crate, toys, care books, food sample, dog kits.

We are going to ship them to you on next day delivery after shippment through a shipping agent. The shipping fee for the babies is $500 and if you are taking one of them you will be making a payment of  $300, you will be making the payment to the shipping agent through Money Gram or western union Money transfer

You will be picking them up at Texarkanna Airport as soon as the payment is confirm by the shipping agent. You will be making the payment directly to the shipping agent via Money gram or western union Money Transfer for immediate shipping arrangement. Kindly get back to me as soon as possible in other to send you the information you will need in making the payment to the shipping agent via Money gram or western union Money Transfer. All i want is a good and loving home for my babies. Kindly promise me they will be taken care of and please get back to me with their picture's every month

If you really care for this babies we will be making all preparation for you co's the babies needs a good home and when you get your new pups, remember to ask for your free puppy care items; puppy's toys, carebooks, food sample, and dog kits at the airport upon arrival of the babies, if you are interested in having them, i want you to get back to me asap.

I was informed by the shipping agent that if you wish to recieve these babies tomorrow, it is possible because there are different daily flights from Nigeria leaving for the United States on daily routine, please get back to me so that i can forward the shipping agent payment information if you are ready to take the babies in by tomorrow.

Await your response asap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.15.145.16 (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I Almost fell for this scam!
Just yesturday my husband and I saw an add in the paper for free yorkie terrior puppies. I contacted "paul" through email & he told me he was a reverend on a mission in africa & that he & his family could not care for the puppies. he told me he would ship the puppies to me & asked me for my full name, address & phone number. I had a feeling this was a scam and then I found this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.98.158 (talk) 04:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I Almost fell for this scam!
Just yesturday my husband and I saw an add in the paper for free yorkie terrior puppies. I contacted "paul" through email & he told me he was a reverend on a mission in africa & that he & his family could not care for the puppies. he told me he would ship the puppies to me & asked me for my full name, address & phone number. I had a feeling this was a scam and then I found this article. Here is the email he sent me.

Hello,

Thank you very much and I'm very very happy to read from you about your response on taking good care of the babies.they are 18weeks old and both home trained and outdoor trained also playful with other animals and kids. The male named (Chilly) weigh 2lbs and the female named (Tilly) weigh 2.5lbs and will weigh big when fully grown.they are both A K C registered and shots are given  up to date and both home trained. both of them are my darling sweetheart and super spoiled! They both have a sweet personality and loves to play and be carried around.

But I'm very sorry to tell you that it is too late for you to get the babies now. What really happened was that i just left the state for Africa in some few days ago after i posted the  the ad on the newspaper and before i left, i did not get any response from anybody that could take very good care of them for me.So i got a missionary call from our missionary headquarters in Africa ,then i have to bring the babies along with me here in Africa since i couldn't find someone to adopt them before i left the state. I'm still willing to give the babies out to someone who can take very good care of them for me forever. All papers will accompany the puppies when shipped to you, Due to our long staying over here in africa,and the bad weather my Wife and I have concluded to get good home and care for our babies. We are not charging or selling them to you for money but to save their lifes saved and care for them so this means that,you and i will be paying for the shipment of the puppies to you.they are VET checked, but right now we are in Africa on a Christian mission with my wife and 3 kids together with Tilly and Chilly,we have the puppies right here with us.

We are going to ship to you via a Diplomatic Courier Service Company with Express Delivery on next day delivery,if you  are really interested in having my little babies, i want you to get  back to me with your full Name,Home Address,direct contact phone  number and name of the nearest Airport to you.Please if you know that you are not capable of taking very good care of my babies,do not reply me because i am giving them out because of bad condition and we're spending months for the christian mission and i don't want  Tilly and Chilly to die in this bad weather.And because we don't have time to take care of them due to the missionary work before us  here.They are priceless to me,therefore i am giving both for free,so i will like you to get back to me with your full name and full address including your nearest airport so that i can find out shipping cost.

I've attached pics of Chilly and Tilly.

Please i want you to promise me that you will take very good care of them as soon as they get to you. Thank you and God bless you and your family.

Regards, Rev.Paul James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.98.158 (talk) 05:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian Free Puppy Scam Still Happening March '09
This is sad, but true & more people need to know about it! Our Pomeranian just died & our other Pom is missing his companion. We found an offer for a "free Pom puppy" on http://www.freepuppylistings.com & contacted the owner of the pup about our circumstances. We were told the puppy would be free, if we would pay the $200 shipping. We were also told the owner was doing Christian work in Africa & had the pup with her. Lucky for us, we'd had some previous exposure to these Nigerian scams, so when we asked several questions & only got back form letters, & when we were directed to pay an "agent" who would ship the dog (agent address in Nigeria), it was all too clear. BUYER BEWARE. We googled the name of the seller that was given, & found an article describing her involvement in helping to train companion dogs for the handicapped. The article indicated a Christian link, but we think they've just used this person's name & Christian affiliation as a cover up. If you go to freepuppylistings.com & click to see "other listings by this person", a bit of exploration reveals that one seller may have a variety of states from which they supposedly operate, AND there seem to be several sellers offering free dogs with these multiple/bogus addresses. We were unable to register/post a warning at freepuppylistings.com. It may well be that the entire site is set up specifically to perpetrate scams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.243.220 (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Free puppy scam
I just dealt with the same thing today. I googled the "shipping agent" name that was given and found out about this. It is with all breeds from rotts to boston terriors. I spoke with the man and he did the same thing" I am a man of god, here on a christian mission, blah blah. So I told him to send me the shipping confirmation and info and once I recieved the puppy I would pay...surprise I havent' heard from him again. He was/is using an account under Rebecca Thompson something like treebirch@live.com. I have already notified live about it. Hopefully they will delete this account! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.196.209 (talk) 23:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Teacup Yorkie Nigerian Scam
Ad in the Portland Maine newspaper regarding Yorkie. I have been looking for one and replied.

The story is that this New England man on a religious mission and doesn't have time to care for his beautiful puppy "baby". I was almost caught. From the e-mail.. I want you to know that i have started the shipping arrangements now cos i have forwarded your informations to the shipping agent and as soon as you make the payment she would be on her way tomorrow morning.i want you to know that i am a man of God and i can't do anything to tarnish my image here,besides i am a family man with a wife and kids so i am promising you that you will get my baby(katie) I can't do such a wicked and terrible thing like to rip you of your hard earned money and that is the reason more why we as a men of God,we are spreading the word of God so that sinners can turn away from their sinful ways and reckon with God so that his wrath will not fall on them cos we are encountering the last days.So do not have any fear what so ever. I want you to know that the shipping agent will be Delta pet airline in collaboration Virgin Nigeria airline, they specialize in shipping animals and pet and he told me that she would be flying with a badge,she will also be in a crate and that the shipping delivery that will ship her out are going to provide a pet expert to accompany her till she gets to her destination and I am asured that the shipping is going to be fine cos i am concerned about her safety. HERE IS THE SHIPPING AGENT PAYMENT INFORMATION AGAIN. PAYMENT INFORMATION. Text Question:(IN GOD) Answer:(WE TRUST) RECIEVERS NAME: Kimberly Tumlinson. ADDRESS: 20,ALVES STREET, Lagos Nigeria. zip code 23401 full sender's name: Reference number:# Amount Sent:$350 Text question: Total Amount of Charge: Thanks and stay blessed. David Howard.

Missionary with 2 yorkie puppies
I recieved an email from a Rev. Robert Miller. He and his family are on a missions trip in West Africa and he has 2 yorkie puppies ( has a picture of both and his family). He states that the weather is bad for the puppies and he is looking for someone to adopt them back in the states because of their health. He wants to make sure you send pictures of them to him every month. He doesn't ask for any money just help with half the shipping cost ($350.00). After you moneygram the money to a man named Micheal Jason with the Cabasa Aircargo Services, they send you confirmation of the money and shipment. It is supposed to be a 2day delivery and you are to pick them up at the airport closest to you once they get the info. Then they email and say that their has been a problem and the shipment has been stopped in the UK (London) because they didn't have the taxes paid on them ($950.00). The Rev. then emails saying that he has sent the proper papers and now all they need is $250.00 for the dogs to get rabie shots and sent to the US. When asked why so much, he states that because the shipment was stopped they have to put them on a new plane for delivery. He only wants $150.00 to help pay. It is to be moneygrammed to the same person (Michael Jason). The Rev. will call you and speak to you personally to help reassure you that it is not a scam. I had read about the scams for yorkies after the 1st initial moneygram was sent. And even though I had an uneasy feeling about this I sent the $150.00, because he told me that he would send a tracking # to help track the new shipment. I know that I have probably made a big mistake and I prayed to the Lord that I could really trust this Rev. but I don't know at this point. Will it be another scam or for real? I will let everyone know when I find out.
 * Moneygram? You have been scammed, please amuse us with the next installment of them begging for money - and how it turns nasty about the puppies being put down and it being all your fault!! --Brian McNeil / talk 17:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I too had an experience like this except I know about these over seas scams. I had sent an email in responce to a free puppy from "freepuppies.com" for a dog in connecticut. AThey sent me an email saying that the dog was in nigeria but that he could mail it for 150. I sent him an email back saying that we would have to pass. Then he sent me an aweful email back claiming that I was a horrible person and that he had a reference. Funny thing is the email from the reference he sent used the same horrible english that his emails used. I will pasted the entire email below.

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Re: Alaskan Malamute Puppies for f - 69057 From: ralph jeffs Add to Contacts To: ?

Hi Erin, i really understand what you are concerned about. i will like you to know that people are not the same in the world okay.Take a look at your fingers and tell me if they are the same. it sucks to think how a person could rip someone of his hard earned money. i will like you to know that i am from a Christian God-fearing family and will not engage in any devilish act. i went online posting because i needed a new home for our puppeis.a do not to get money. I must be frank that i got a little upset when i read your mail because its really ridiculous. i hope you are not thinking i am about to do what someone else have done. I know that in this world, the innocent always have to suffer the effects of what the evil ones do. I feel so bad to think that you cannot even trust me. However, i understand you really ,love the puppy but you are skeptical. i have one suggestion, if you can trust me, then get the puppy, if you cannot, then let us know and we will find a new home for her babeis.lastly this is the references email Below...... from Jenny Chloe      hide details   Feb 9 (5 days ago) to   ralphjeffs@gmail.com (Yes, this is you. Learn more) date  Feb 9, 2010 3:36 PM      subject   Hi      signed-by   yahoo.com mailed-by  yahoo.com

thank you so so much i have received the puppy... give me you address or something an i will return you the money... i love you and so does the lord!!!

from   Jenny Chloe      hide details   Feb 9 (5 days ago) to   ralphjeffs@gmail.com (Yes, this is you. Learn more) date  Feb 3, 2010 3:39 PM      subject   Hello,Ralph signed-by  yahoo.com mailed-by  yahoo.com

I have forwarded the money and i am so thankfull and sorry it was all this stressfull... we can not blame each other for the problems that have occured... its just this damn world that we live in and im so so sorry for al this... you will recieve pics of the puppy every month and i hope we stay in touch... you are a good man and i respect you for helping me this far...

puppy scam
He's still at it !!!!!!! He say's he's formerly a Canadian now living in NY (He doesn't write like a Canadian ). He has boxer puppies. Asked me for $147.00 US for the flight & my full name & full address for the delivery service. oh, and a few pictures of me, my family & my compound(I am not a breeder & have no interest in becoming one, I was only looking for a puppy that needed a home.) Say's his wife is working a lot & they don't have time to care for the puppies, his only wish is for these little ones to come back home to Canada. I didn't send any money or pictures but I wish I would have read this first, he has my full name, address & phone number. I asked him for all of his information as well, he got very upset & said I took too long to get back to him so he already found another home for "the boxer puppy" What do I do now ? He has all my information.... will he use it to try to scam someone else ? I hope not but I think he will. It is Saturday, March 6/ 2010. I hope this info is helpful to someone. Thank you for your time.--142.177.88.254 (talk) 13:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)--142.177.88.254 (talk) 13:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


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Comments:Court decision means Floyd Landis loses Tour de France title

Quite unfortunate. Although recent history, and what seems to be a general epidemic of lying (by no means restricted to sport) makes honest statements harder to believe, one can imagine what it would be like if he were innocent. However, I'm skeptical about his claims, unfortunately.

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About editing -- The main page's caption says "loose" his title, and that can't easily be edited! "Loose" means to release, and sounds just like the name "Luce". It's a very-common misspelling, made by people who otherwise are excellent spellers.

66.92.74.189 06:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing that out! irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  06:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The wording is a little misleading, about how he's the first person in over 105 years; that implies that 105 years ago someone lost his title due to doping. It would be better if it said that he would be the first person in the 105 year history of the Tour de France to lose his title, or something like that.


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Comments:10-year-old boy missing after car gets carjacked

The guy made this up so there would be a bunch of people looking for his car he said. There was no 10 year old in the car.


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Talk:Fears grow about U.S. dollar stability

September 2007
What a fantastic article! This is great for Wikinews. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

WOW, its fantastic

Regards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bandar.raies (talk • contribs) 10:10, 21 September 2007

Category and link
edit protected Please add this article to Category:United States dollar and localize a link of the same or similar name. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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Two students shot at Delaware State University

September 21, 2007

One male and one female who are students attending Delaware State University in Dover, Delaware are reported to have been shot around 1:00 a.m. (eastern time). The shooting took place near Memorial Hall gymnasium.

"At approximately 12:54 a.m. on Friday, Sept. 21, the Delaware State University Police Department was notified of an incident in which two students were shot on campus near Memorial Hall. A single male suspect is being sought, but has not yet been apprehended.  The investigation is continuing with the assistance of other local police," said a statement on the university's website.

Both have been injured and have been taken to a nearby hospital for medical attention. The university's statement says that the "male student is in stable condition, however, the female student’s injuries are considered serious." The female, taken to Christiana Hospital in Newark, New Jersey, was shot twice, whereas the male, who was taken to Kent General Hospital located in Dover, was shot only once.

"Eight to ten students dispersed from a cafe. Shortly before 1:00 a.m. (eastern time)" a student "pulled a gun" and "five or six shots were fired. The female was shot twice, the male once," said Chief James Overton of the Massachusetts State Police during a press conference, who also said that several agencies including the FBI, The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and local police are participating in the investigation.

Police are currently searching for the suspect and all classes at the university have been canceled indefinitely and anyone on campus is asked to stay inside at all times. Police also ask for no staff or students to come to the campus.

According to Overton, at least two people are considered to be "persons of interest." At least one individual is being questioned by police, but the other is still at large.

"Because the suspect is still at large, residential students are directed to remain in their residence halls for their safety until further notice. Classes on the Dover campus of Delaware State University have been canceled for Friday, Sept. 21 in the wake of an early morning shooting at the institution that has left two students wounded and a suspect at large. All non-essential personnel are directed not to report to work on this day," said a statement posted on the university's website.


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Comments:Two students shot at Delaware State University

I am pretty sure there are two main causes of school shootings: Stress, and being bullied. People seem to be un-aware of how common both verbal and physical bullying is in schools. And by verbal bullying, I mean things MUCH worse than name calling. Contralya 10:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Why does this even happen? 151.188.16.17 11:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, student murder doesn't happen as much as it does with non-student adults. Contralya 11:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

that picture is of the university of delaware campus, not delaware state
 * According to WP, they are the same college, just different campuses. See: Delaware University so see that their campus is in Dover. Also please keep article concerns on the appropriate pages. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

This may be an isolated incident, though. There's no sign that this is intended to be a mass shooting. Could be gang related for all we know.

It seems to me like traditional school shootouts end up with the shooter killing everyone in sight, rather than a group of bullies or something. And they always seem to shoot themselves in the end. This seems to be different and more like a reasonably planned murder than a typical 'school shootout'. Contralya 16:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Flooding in Slovenia leaves six dead

Flooding sure is a pain. There are usually few deaths but billions in damages. Contralya 10:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Two students shot at Delaware State University

that picture is of the university of delaware campus, not delaware state
 * They are part of the same university structure as the WP article Delaware University says. The campus is in Dover...DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

there is a dover campus for the uni of delaware but it isn't the one for the state uni of delaware, the picture is also misleading because the shooting took place near the memorial gymnasium not memorial hall which are very distant from one another.
 * Actually they were shot near memorial hall. Thats what the sources say anyways. An yes that is the proper picture. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 13:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

they are two separate schools with different campuses, http://www.desu.edu/ and http://www.udel.edu/ i think your error stems from the confusion between the memorial hall, at the uni of delaware and the memorial gym at delaware state --130.64.137.22 13:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

sorry what i meant to say is that there's a memorial hall both at each of the schools, they're different buildings, on different campuses. the one pictured is the memorial hall at the uni of delaware, not the delaware state university. check out the relevant campus maps: http://www.desu.edu/dsu/map/javamap.php and http://maps.rdms.udel.edu/campusmapbasic/map.jsp?mapaction=zoomcampus&campus=central  --130.64.137.22 13:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It's seriously irresponsible to put up a photo of the wrong campus, it'll cause people to get worried needlessly. Just switch to the school logo if no campus photo is available. 207.180.138.19 14:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Original Reporting
I got James Overton's quotes from the press conference at 1:00 pm eastern time. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You were at the press conference, or watched it on TV? Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed'' 01:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

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Christiana Hospital is in Newark, DE not Newark, NJ. Dough4872 (talk) 02:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * One source says that officials said NJ (which matters for wording of a correction notice). One source doesn't say.  The other two sources are no longer available.  Although DE makes sense, I want to see solid reputable information before issuing a correction notice.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm satisfied. There's one source from the time saying DE (The Washington Post, source used on en.wp), and it's not hard to find sources from a little later that place her in Newark, DE.  So I've deployed a correction notice.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


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Talk:Nebraska Senator sues God/Comments

ROFL -- I love the last line of the article: "God could not be reached for comment." Good job, this is fabulous reporting. Zidel333 12:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

No one would...
No one would sue Buddha! I swear, protestants have too much power in the U.S. Contralya 13:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

OMG Hollywood
There was a movie where this happened several years ago. Never saw it, but it was in the previews for Left Behind. I think the lawsuit was a sign of the Apocalypse of something, and it went all the way to the Supreme Court.

T-shirt
Does this guy always avoid wearing a suit for his official portraits? Even on Wikipedia, he's in a t-shirt. -- Zanimum 16:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And by "this guy", I mean the Senator, not God, as God appears to be bare-chested. --  Zanimum 16:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Copyright
I thought the lawsuit was being filed against God in Michealangelo's portrait - the resemblance is uncanny! Seegoon 16:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not uncanny, but in retrospect there is a likeness. --  Zanimum 17:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking exactly the same thing!
 * I think Sen. Chambers looks quite a bit like God in the portrait. Hmmm Family rivalry?? Spacey sjca 19:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)spacey_sjca

Read the Chambers v. God document via "External Links"
At first I thought it was kind of funny, but by the time I got to Count V, where it states that God laughs at the destruction and misery, I started realizing that it isn't funny. God (at least the one that came out of the Middle East) isn't a nice being, and It certainly can't be a loving, caring one if It's so into punishment. And I don't get it at all why people have that belief in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. I find it horrifying that we are a world of sheep, thoughtlessly following a dogma made up by God's so-called Agents. It really saddens me that some of those sheep are people I care about, but they are afraid to explore themselves or the world for fear they may be exposed to something that could strain their faith. ARRGGH Blind, blind, blind. Spacey sjca 19:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)spacey_sjca
 * Yawn. Next. irid:t 20:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You did not read the story right. The article isnt about god. its about frivolous lawsuits. Senator chambers merely pointed this out by making a nonsense, but quite funny, lawsuit himself. 62.194.170.62 20:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr Chambers
Should your case even be considered, these would be next:

There is this teacher, who told one of his students whom the teacher believed to be more capable than his exams showed. And the teachers tells the student (using more elaborate words or suggestions): "If you continue like this, you´ll end up in the gutter."

The student sues the teacher because of this threat.

Likewise, there is this politician or scientist telling people what will happen without massive ecological rethinking and reforming.

The people sue the politican/scientist.

God is the word (John 1:1), and the word is the word of warning and consideration.

That much for disasters caused by god - the bible warns the people of these disasters, but more so suggests these things occur because of the actions of men, which seems believable, considering mankind's ability to affect the environment.

God does not directly cause these disasters - god is responsible insofar, as not having prevented people from causing them.

The way of god is to do things by people - if people don´t do it right, then obviously god´s ways of making people do something are insufficient.

If you attack god for not preventing disasters, you urge him to put more pressure on people to act that way, urge god to utter more warnings/threats.

Does god actually claim to be responsible for disasters? Personally, I´m sure god tries to protect the truly guilty by posting himself between them and the victims, to prevent the guilty from being lynched, because lynching the guilty afterwards does not truly help fighting disasters, instead it helps people developing ways to make the powerless look guilty, to have them lynched.

Terrorism is the logical evolution of the tools used by god (acting through believers) to make even the powerful and invulnerable feel the need to act.

The poor reaction to terrorism is to destroy the terrorist - the responsible reaction is to work on the causes for terrorism.

When the western civilization reached the point where people started thinking and asking: how do omnipotence and goodness go along with all the bad things happening in the world?

The answer was: god grants the freedom of choice.

There are those wonderful movies about the old southern plantations, slaves singing and dancing happily...

This is the world of the omnipotent and good god NOT granting free will to the people.

Everbody does what The Lord says, everything works just the way The Lord wants it to be.

Now look at the world we have today: no slavery, people get sick because of eating too much, behaving badly, and so on.

Which world do you prefer: the perfectly structured slavery, or people deciding for themselves what their lives and other lives turn out to be.

Free Will is why there can never be a fair trial against god.

If god speaks, and people were sure it was god speaking, omniscient, omnipotent, what would happen?

You consider disobeying god, even merely trying to use a loophole in the words of the one who can read your thoughts and judges accordingy -> you´d be absolute certain with no doubt at all about you receiving an eternity in hell for it - so you obey.

The words of god given in the bible are not that way - you can´t be sure there wasn´t just some pre-Christ equivalent of a car salesman using the name of the one not be doubted to get rid of some junk, something like this.

God speaking for himself robs people of their free will.

A fair trial against god requires a defense - this defense is contrary to the Free Will concept.

A trial against god requires god to becomie the slavekeeper god (again).

I don´t believe in god to be someone that should be put before trial - because I don´t believe lynching scapegoats to be the most efficient way to get people developing solutions for the problems at hand. .

I believe god to be the underlying spirit of people interacting with each other. I believe that the godly rules are meant to define this way of how you want people to treat each other.

If the creationists are right, god will be that which will have created - god will be, and will have done.

After all this:

In my personal opinion, you sued god not because you expected an answer, but to receive ATTENTION.

Well - if you´d get the attention of people interested in this subject...

When you attack god, I expect you to present us an alternative idea! Just one more thing - what does the omnipotent, omnipresent has no mortal leader or law-giver will ever be able to offer?

You can´t envy what neither you nor one of yours will ever be able to usurp.

BTW, do you consider Mr George W. "I believe in god" a legitimate avocato dei?

.g.r.b.l

 * I'd like to point out that you have completely missed the point, and probably haven't read the article. The suit is against God because God cannot be sued practically, but there is nothing in the legal system to prevent suing someone who cannot be held to justice.
 * (And I'd love to see an Avocado God.) irid:t 22:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Chambers set a trap for a mouse, and told people it's supposed to catch bats. Well, I´m a mouse. You´re right, I stumbled across the BIG CATCH PHRASE someone accusing god and I just spit out what had developed in my mind during the preceding weeks, incidentally.

The thing is, there are numerous other silly trials, This doctor threatened me with death in less than a year if I refuse to do his will. Legally, it is no problem to convict someone in absentia, it's common practice for war criminals.

I consider Chambers to be a politician, someone who says one thing while intending something different, because telling people to want to achieve the different thing makes you look evil to the public, and if the thing happens with you explicitly not intending it makes you look taken by surprise. I consider the atheist Chambers to be, well, not nice.

Chambers intention in my opinion:

U.S. authorities must give a reason for not refusing the trial, and this reason is likely to be:

"The U.S. authorities officially do not believe in the existence of god."

On the other hand, if there was a trial and god was sentenced for genocide, so what, usually this just helps to raise the books sales.

BTW, the pictures attached to the article suggest that Chambers himself might put himself in danger by having god´s reputation damaged. He´s a look look-alike, and if people cease to trust in god, his voters might cease to trust him (women vote by picture).

grbl

PS: Folks, DON´T read the article, or at least, don´t confuse words with intentions.

Popular politicians try to convince you to they aim at your brain when really they are going for your heart. Your first impression is correct, because the first impression is what these politicians count on when manipulating the people. After that, you´ll receive a lot of fine print telling you why the politician is not guilty, does not bear any ill will, does things by law, etc.

The 20th century is full of popular polticians sending people to die in gulags while using rational and other phrases to make the rest of the world feel this is ok, nice, necessary, etc.

God is a tool to preserve the social order - religion is opium for the people, but what Marx doesn´t tell, it is ok because it´s opium for people who´d otherwise do something harmful.

Chambers questions the exisiting social order - he profits from forcing the he establishment to confess officially they consider god a hoax.

I believe belief is a good thing - if it´s a productive belief. Look at believer regions all over the world, and think.

PPS: I ended up in this discussion by first reading a Yahoo-article on tuesday, then looking up the name Ernie Chambers in the wikipedia (my native language wikipedia doesn´t contain the name (or at least didn´t, then)).

At the bottom of that article, there was a link to what Chambers actually said, and when I was half through, the word bowl eggs came to my mind.

I already had learned Chambers was atheist (which is different from agnostic, because an agnostic ignores god, while an atheist fights belief), plus a civil rights activist (and god is about preserving order).

On the other hand, Chambers trying to fight the hilarious possibilities offered by U.S. law doesn´t make much sense - these are revolutionaries' delight.

A news article is supposed to be unbiased - and giving us Chambers words plus Chambers bio I consider sufficiently unbiased.

But telling people they should read the article when they judge by Chambers bio is inappropriate. Reading is one step short of understanding.

Nothing more - moderator, read this, then free the space I wasted by this text, but consider it next time

...
go go go ernie erni ernie

xxx

Why in God's name?
This is proof how ridiculous we are. I love how Senator Chamber is proving his point but I disagree with why he is proving it. From the information in this article it seems ridicoulous that there would be a court ruling to remove the words "rape" and "victim" from the courtroom during a case involving a VICTIM of RAPE. I feel that it is proof that we are giving to much lee-way, that we are censoring difficult information because we don't want to deal with it even though that is what we are there to discuss. If we can't be expected to come up with our own objective opinion because we hear a couple of distressing words, why do we have judges or juries. Why don't we have a system where all of the evidence is plugged in to a calculator and sentences are determined by the probability that the crime was committed by this person. 00:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

i think someone wants attention
honestly i think this is just some scheme for this guy to try and get some attention honestly its impossible to sue "God" and even if it was possible god being the divine diety he is could instantly use his power to win the case.

Note to posters
As shown from opinions posted above, people seem to post here without reading the article. READ THE ARTICLE before posting please. Contralya 01:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

God Countersues Man
In a stunning twist, God countersued the entire human race for distruction of property and loitering. "I clearly said they could eat of any tree except that one. That fruit was off limits," He remarked, "But did they listen?  No.  There are consequences, people!" Meanwhile, Morgan Freeman sued the senator for infringement of "look and feel." --76.18.66.115 02:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, sir, you have made it into our archives. [[Image:Smile.png|20px]] irid:t 02:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't laugh at the original article, I did laugh at this comment :) Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed'' 02:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the accolades. I didn't realize it would actually come true!  Also, for a less sensationalist, but no less amusing court case, see the time somebody sued Satan.  That case was dismissed, not over the question of the existence of the defendent, but rather in what manner he would be served with notice, and to which jurisdiction the case would belong.  Incidentally, I find it a fascinating look at our culture that God was sued in 2007 for practically the same offenses as Satan in 1971.  --75.161.65.233 06:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

the justice will be awarded to mr. chambers in the Court of Lord
good luck mr. chambers.

I wonder if the good senator has seen the episode of "Touched by an Angel" where guest star John De Lancie sues God over a drought that threatens his farm? —24.196.131.78 16:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Alan

Smiteing
So how long do you think it is until God smites the senator?

?
can u sue God???????????????????? i'm confused, can this guy get any stupider, i didnt even read the article all i did was read the title and i am confused!!

 * "stupider" is not a word.

I HAVE to respond to this one!
I RARELY, IF ever respond to anything. However, this one was great. I want to join him as well and follow suit. (little pun there) Some people may think it's a frivolous law suit. I say, read the story again! Ask yourself...Why did he do this? What point is he trying to get across. Think about it! I will definately be forwarding this article along. There is a lot to talk about. Jeanne in North Carolina

Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you sue the Great God Almighty. Your fighting a battle you will not win. If your going to sue God your might want to try filing a lawsuit againt your newborn child. you just dont to it. If you think you can get away with judgeing God. You better be right

Which God?
The suit against God is evidently an effort from one person that doesn't believe that He exists. If the demandant does't believe that the persecuted doesn't exists, is evidently trying to make a joke on the judge of the case and, therefore, of all the United States legal system.

If he believes that "GOD" is responsible for all the disasters that he mention in his sue, he has to proof that the accused part exists and has a reasonable number of evidences that make a case.

By other side, if the pursuit is for terrorism, a CRIMINAL accusation is the one that should proceed.

But finally, the real question is WICH GOD?

The Hinduism has hundreds of gods, the hebrew one is apparently different from muslim´s, the tribal gods are thousands, without counting the hundreds of gods that have been adored for centuries.

If he is speaking about the God of the Bible, the Holy Book says in it that Jehovah is God, but also says that Moses would be a god before Pharaoh, and in Psalms says (as Jesus interprets) that all the believers are gods, and is very important that satan is called "rhe god of this world" in the New Testament.

The same Holy Scriptures, tell that there are 3 sources of tribulation in the world:

1. The sin of men: The sin (not talking about punishment) has direct comsequences over the sinner and all the society. Some scholars tell that the ten commandments are the best way to preserve and make society work. If somebody sins, is damaging not only himself but all his neighbours and all the ecological system, have you ever heard about the butterfly effect? it really works in the real world!

2. Satan and the demons, Satan, as the Bible says, was the first one that tried to call God to be judged, but not for something that God had done, but one thing He doesn't: make Satan another god as God. Therefore, he is trying to destroy anything that God loves and do. Then, he is using men to make as much damage as he could to God's Creation. He lied the woman and make her a servant, and she seduced de man and he become a satan´s servant through sin. Then, Satan is destroying as much as he can in the Creation through men and demons.

3. God, The Bible says that God make the goodness and tribulation, but also says that He doesn't disappoint the men voluntarily, but in order to correct and call them to repentance to live and enjoy living.

But, if all this arguments are not enough, the following are the main of them:

If, as it seems to be, the God he´s talking about is the Christian one, the Bible begins with the words: "In the begining God created heaven and earth". If anyone should write in the future a book about me, it would say in some place: "that day David build his own house with his own money in his own property", and if some other day I would decide to break one of my house´s walls, or to destroy my own house, who could say: "Let us make a sue against David for the destruction of his house!?

Evidently, if God created the Heaven and Earth, He´s the LEGAL OWNER, and He can do with HIS CREATION all the things that He wants. If you read Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die" (KJV), therefore, if HE IS THE OWNER OF ALL SOULS, He has the right to make anything with His property, and ANY JUDGE THAT RESPECTS THE LAW can´t deny the right to ANYBODY TO DO WITH HIS LEGAL PROPERTY WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. If that judge decide to condemn GOD about that, it will make JUDISPRUDENCE that will deny to any other person to do what HE WANTS with His LEGAL PROPERTY.

God can destroy men not only because they are His Creation and His LEGAL property, but for sin, because the law says that "the payment of sin is death", but He can´t be accused of cruelty because he provided all of us the way to be saved from death and the comsequences of sin: God Himself sent His Only Begotten Son, to die on the cross to pay the price of our sin, and to offer us the redemption and salvation.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16 KJV), if anybody believe in Christ and repent from his sins, will be saved, and, alltough he would die phisically, he will be resurrected to enjoy a brand new life without any pain in heaven.

But finally, anybody that read this, would say: "that thing is not real, I don't believe that!", you are in your own right, but then you must not believe in that ridiculous suit, because it is based on the Bible, and is evident that the senator is manipulating it to make a joke about God and on the LEGAL SYSTEM, because if the Bible is the base of that suit, it has to be judged with the Bible as basis, and not any other source.

Remember what Lincoln said: "You can fool some of the people part of the time, but not all the people all the time", this senator, evidently, has no much to offer to his voters, and need to make bad JOKES to appear in the daily. He wants to make fool the people, with ridiculous accusations against the ONE that he believes can't defend himself, I only tell him and all the other that wants to do that:

Remember only some months ago, when Ariel Sharon said about the violent dissocupation of the "occupied lands" of Israel, when jewish old men and children were violentated by the Israeli hosts to take them away from their homes: "If God has something to say, let Him come to tell me!", only a few days after that, he got a fatal desease that become himself in a vegetable.

You can challenge God, but you can´t win. He is the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords. Don´t play with Him, is better to love him and serve Him, because he allways make good to them that are near Him.

On sueing God...
Dear Senator; please remember that God turned juristiction of Earth over to Lucifer before the fall of Mankind therefore it is Lucifer not God that you should be sueing since Lucifer is in control of security on Earth... Please amend your case to suit the actual facts of the situation.

Peace in the Light, Rev. C. A. Leslie-Faye KCSOL

PS My email for formal contact is cathosol.us. Please send no nonsense or spam there as it is for business.
 * Father/pastor/reverend: Most assuredly I tell you, God seeded the invention of a spellchecker. "Suing" "Jurisdiction". irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e]  02:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rev.,

does this mean I have to send prayers of gratitude to Lucifer whenever security does something that turns out to be useful for me?

Anyway, I don´t recall the bible telling us Lucy took over - instead there is something in the Revelations about a serpent coming free every thousand years or so for a brief period of time...

I've read the article and many more documents about this stuff, but is evident that the position of "prove that anyone can sue anyone" is not only absurd but is trying to make a JOKE about the USA LEGAL SYSTEM, because it is a very harmfull thing to use the judges to play with society and media.

'For god's sake'
Read the article before posting please. It is really annoying how people don't notice that the reason he is doing it is to prove that anyone can sue anyone, not because he thinks it will go somewhere. Contralya 14:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

haha, its about time somone sued that @#$%#er

--- anya

Let people read for themselves
Where's all the information on this? The court papers and so forth? Can they be downloaded?
 * Yes, but the PDF doesn't work for some people. It doesn't work for me.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 18:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I added a link to the court papers filed by Chambers - Are scans of God's response(s) availible online?

I can't wait until they try to arrest God for failure to appear in court.

This is insane

This dude is a moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'''

Here's a thought:
How about trying to sue the AGENTs of the various gods? Sue Pat Robertson, or the Falwell estate, or the even the local catholic shaman? Are they not doing "god's work?" Do they not forgive sins in their god's name? Perhaps we could sue the agent, and it would simply be up the agent to seek indemnification from their principal? I like it.64.241.37.140 22:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)kjdamrau

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27 dead after consuming poisonous alcohol

September 21, 2007 At least 27 people in Karachi, Pakistan have died after they consumed poisonous, home-made alcohol at a private party. At least 11 more people are hospitalized, with eight of them in critical condition. Reports say that among the dead are police officers, and that at least one of the individuals responsible for brewing the alcohol has been hospitalized.

"The poisonous liquor has so far claimed 27 lives and another 11 are being treated in different hospitals," said police Deputy Inspector General Javed Bukhari, who also added that the alcohol "was supplied to all these people by the same source." At least 100 bottles of the poisonous alcohol were sold at the party.

So far, three police officers have been suspended from duty because they failed to stop the alcohol from being made and sold. At least one officer is reported to have been involved in the brewing of the alcohol.

Pakistan shifted from practicing policies to Sharia law 25 years ago, and as a result alcohol is not allowed to be consumed by Muslims in the country. If caught consuming or possessing alcohol, the individual could face three years in jail, or be caned. There are few stores that sell alcohol, and those that do are closed during Ramadan.

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Comments:27 dead after consuming poisonous alcohol

I love how some of the smaller nations have successfully banned alcohol! Ideally, Alcohol and Tobacco should be banned everywhere, but that would be very hard to implement.

Tobacco seriously pollutes the air, slowly kills smokers, 2nd hand smoke hurts people around smokers. Oh, gotta remember what it does to your teeth in ten or twenty years

Alcohol wastes people's time, money, hurts their livers and causes abhorrent behavior; many crimes are influenced by alcohol, besides DRUNK DRIVING.

Both of these harmful substances are quite addictive, so I won't take any attacks on me for being against what the commenter is addicted to, personally. Contralya 14:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Allah is teaching them a lesson for drinking alcohol during the holiest month of the Islamic calender? You gotta admit, that's pretty ironic (if not dark).

Yea! I am sure many people see it that way. Contralya 16:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually adults have the right to make their own choices, when allowed to make legal choices like smoking or drinking. I smoke but I do it by choice. Because I am of legal age. And the government would have to supply my habit for me or would have to face millions of people on serious withdraws. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said, you couldn't just ban it. People would have to undergo recovery from the addiction. And few governments would undergo the change due to it being unpopular and hard to enforce (and the fact that the people in the government probably use em too) and it would cost a lot to help that many people recover. About that right to make a choice, what about all of the people exposed to the 2nd hand smoke, which by the way, is more deadly than what smokers inhale. And what about people ran over by drunk drivers? Like I said, I don't take it personally, you're addicted. Lots of people think only they are at risk when they smoke. Don't smoke around children, O.k.? I remember hearing about infants dying from 2nd hand smoke.Contralya 16:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Alcohol is banned, But a tongue can not be.
Alcohol is a banned substance and can be found in many holy books. It can be taken for medicinal use. But not like this for parties. Though my argument is not practical, But it is true and it has to be followed by every citizen of any nation. It's not the case of Pakistan or some other. Especially, During this Ramzaan (Ramzan or Ramdaan) season, no Muslim is expected to take alcohol. They have their own respect towards God. And it is prohibited in Alcoran or Koran. Taking or serving alcohol is a practice from ancient times. Many rulers used that while parties. When it is home made, then The preparation and composition of it had to be maintained so that they would have been out of danger.
 * Alcohol for medicinal use ahe? Reminds me of something I saw on the history channel. During the American civil war, they didn't have anesthetics or anesthesia. They gave lots of alcohol to the people they had to amputate limbs from. Ouch! I can't get the image of someone sawing someone's leg off while they are fully aware and awake! Contralya 17:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)