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It says 11 executives were killed. I believe this is incorrect as the total killed is 11. Were the pilot & crew also executives?


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The problem is that responding to violence with even greater violence is what is isolating Israel from the rest of the world. I fear for the future of Israel because the current leadership seems to not be able to do anything else than responding to violence with even greater violence and it doesn't seem to have a single idea on how to make the peace any nearer. And about facts: there are 300000 colonist living in the west bank and they represent one of the greatest hurdle Israel will have to surpass for getting peace. You can blame the palestinians for the evacuation of 7000-8000 settlers from gaza but the point is that those people shouldn't have been allowed to settle in the occupied areas. I think that while the six days war was one of Israel greatest success it's aftermath was screwed up. Instead of keeping the occupied territories just under military control and using them has bargain chip for recognition and peace accord (sinai style) Israel has let colonies grow to a point where it's pratically impossible to dismantle them. And this send the worst possible message to Palestinians. You say that palestinians could do a lot to stifle the most extreme organizations but what for? To their eyes Israel is still slowly evicting them and taking a small piece of land after another no matter if they're peaceful or aggressive. If they aren't shown any alternative to this how you can hope the situation will change? And while you can personally not believe that all palestinians are guilty a lot of people in power behave has if they are.


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Hong Kong Democratic Party stirs up universal suffrage reform package controversy

June 23, 2010 The has been stirring up some controversy by proposing a revision of the  regarding the  in Hong Kong, which the local government as well as the National People's Congress, accepted. (LegCo) lawmakers are scheduled to cast their ballots tomorrow to decide whether or not the proposal will be accepted, and it is highly likely that the proposal will be approved.

Yesterday night, the Democratic Party held a long meeting to debate on the controversial issue. After five hours, consensus aroused in the Party to accept the package, with only 63 opposed to the LegCo part of the proposal and 71 to the Chief Executive part, as compared to 246 and 237 in support of the LegCo and Chief Executive parts respectively. "The decision is not just a historical one for the Democratic Party, but also a milestone for the city's progress in democracy," said the Party chairman.

Under the new revision, ten constituencies would be added to the original 60 of the LegCo, five of which are functional constituencies and would be voted by elected district councilors. Those who are not elected will not be permitted to vote. This allows the people to indirectly participate in the election.

The vice president of China, had approved the amended proposal in order to prevent Hong Kong's political situation from worsening. The also approved the proposal, and the Chief Executive of Hong Kong,  said there is a 'ray of hope' for the democratic development of Hong Kong as a result. The decision broke the stalemate between the government and the Democratic Party. According to Ming Pao, the decision also improved the chances of Xi Jinping's becoming the next president.

The proposal is also popular among the political parties, such as the, , and. Politicians, and Tsang Hin-chi also support the proposal, the former stating that the proposal was 'worthy of consideration'.

However, the proposal received heavy criticism among radical democrats, including the (LSD) and the, as well as the general public. The LSD met outside the Causeway Bay branch of the, where the Democratic Party's meeting was held, to protest. They stepped onto a roasted pigeon, symbolising the Democratic Party as the Party's logo included a dove. They waved placards with the names of seven of the party's lawmakers and condemned them for being "democracy sinners." The Party had also protested when Ho participated in the and during a meeting of the.

During the City Forum, where Ho, of the Civic Party and a National People's Congress representative talked, LSD members frequently booed and attacked Ho. Even after Franklin Wong rescued Ho and put him in his car, some 'Brothers of Victoria Park' still surrounded the car, and police officers had to protect Ho so that he could leave. During the above mentioned meeting, many people claiming to be previous supporters of the Democratic Party accused the Party of betraying them, including a 80-year-old man called Chan, a 31-year-old named Cheung and an unnamed middle-aged woman.

These actions were condemned by Democratic Party members, including, , and. Ho said that, 'when extreme leftists and rightists attack you, you know that are in the right track'.

However, not all Democratic Party members supported the proposal. , the founder of the Democratic Party, had earlier vowed to leave the party should the package be backed. He stated that he was bitterly disappointed, and needed two weeks' time to consider whether he should quit or not. Party member also opposed the proposal, as did. The former is thinking of leaving the party.

Ho says he will try to persuade the two to support the package in private. It has been predicted that once Lee and Cheng leave the party, around 20 members will follow their lead, putting the unity of the party at stake and leaving the party to face its greatest danger since 2000.


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To the reviewer, if any of the names look familiar to you, most of the names mentioned in four of my previous articles have been mentioned here, with the exception of Lee Cheuk-yan and a couple of non-radical politicians. :) Kayau (talk · contribs) 06:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, actually 3 sources are in English. Kayau (talk · contribs) 10:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Three sources out of seventeen. That's 3/17 of the article's information. Can none of the Chinese sources be cut? Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 13:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've cut one, but the rest have to stay... unless the article is shortened too, which is something I don't want. Alternatively, someone could persuade User:KTo288 to review. I hope you reviewers will be more considerate and use google translate, thanks. Because tomorrow the council will meet and this will become old news! Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with being considerate, I'm afraid. Google translate is not reliable enough. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, actually in the past people have relied on Google Translate quite heavily, especially for some of my Russian-sourced articles. As I recall, ZH -> EN translation is pretty decent due to the simplicity of Chinese grammar. Tempodivalse [talk]  00:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * *Is the case different here? On the previous articles, the reviewer used Google translate to review them. Kayau (talk · contribs) 00:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Google Translate only helps where a reviewer is well-versed in the target language (English), and above 'tourist' in the source language." = I'd have to disagree with that. A lot of people who reviewed my Russian-sourced articles (or Kayau's other Hong Kong articles for that matter) don't have any knowledge of the source language, and there were no objections. Tempodivalse [talk]  00:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A lot of people don't do proper reviews, either. I dislike rubber stamp reviews. A review is suppose to do a full copyedit, copycheck, and factcheck. You can do a basic factcheck with google translate, but a copycheck is almost impossible without at least *a little* knowledge of the source language. That's why I'll review Spanish articles, but I try and stay away from Chinese ones. I know just enough about Spanish to be able to do a copycheck of the article. Gopher65talk 00:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? Please use google traslate to translate the fifth source. The headline already says that 'Andrew' and 'Martin' are thinking of leaving. As there's only one Andrew and one Martin in the article, you can be quite sure that it's them. Kayau (talk · contribs) 00:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Apart from the reliability of Google Translate, I am also unable to find other sources. The only two notable English papers in Hong Kong are The Standard and the South China Morning Post. The latter requires subscription, while the former is free so it doesn't provide as much info as the SCMP, and I've 'used up' their articles as refs. BTW 'has been stirring' is a present perfect continuous as far as I know... Kayau (talk · contribs) 00:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree, it's not Passive voice at all. That would be "has been stirred (the subject does not do the action itself). Present perfect continuous should be perfectly acceptable for us. IIRC, the BBC uses this not infrequently. Tempodivalse [talk]  01:14, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Translations of extracts of the sources
I'll work on the translations here... ✅, feel free to ask for translations of more extracts in case I missed out any. Kayau (talk · contribs) 02:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Title translation: Elsie Leung says Democratic Party's District Council Method is Worth Consideration (title says it all)
 * Democratic Party elder Szeto Wah was present at the Alliance for Universal Suffrage meeting yesterday. He supports the Party's District Council method: 'Criticising the Democratic Party is betraying the Hong Kong people, and defamatory... Democratic Party lawmaker Cheung Man-kwong criticised some of those who opposed the method, and said that they should let people have the liberty of expressing themselves: 'using loudspeakers, foul language and threats to stop people from speaking is oppression not democracy... Democratic Party vice-chairperson Emily Lau said, Wong Yuk-man's (an LSD guy) saying that the democratic party and the central government doing a 'under-table trade' (OK, that's VERY literal but I don't know how to translate that) was incorrect, and was simply a conspiracy theory and condemned Wong for discrediting their party and insulting their members.
 * 80-year-old Chan suddenly yelled that he was betrayed by the Democratic Party during yesterday's meeting. 'Since the formation of the Democratic Party, I've supported them, but now they are supporting a proposal that has no promise at all... On the other side, a 31-year-old man named Cheung, who was wearing a shirt with the words 'fix the rotten proposal' printed on and waving a leaflet called 'the 2012 constitutional package is all wrong', said that he was not an LSD member and even voted for Emily Lau in 2008... but the craziest one must have been a middle-aged lady. She arrived at the venue at about 3 o'clock, and  since then she'd kept shouting that the party has betrayed the Hong Kong people, and often rushed towards Democratic Party members to berate them...
 * But just as Ho stared to speak, he was booed and people shouted 'The Democratic Party is shameless! Albert ho has betrayed us!' At last, the head of the 廣播處 (whatever that is), Franklin Wong, had to go and pick him up with his car. However, when Wong's car drove out of the park, some 'Brothers of Victoria Park' still ran after him, and nearly 20 police officers had to protect him so that he could leave.
 * Democratic Party votes yes with high support rate -- District Council method should pass -- Andrew Cheng may leave party as a result -- Martin Lee says he'll think it over for two weeks (Title says it all)
 * If [Martin] Lee and [Andrew] Cheng leave, about 20 others are expected to follow them
 * }
 * Central Government's Cooperation prevents political situation's 'radicalisation' from getting too serious -- helps the next chief to 'dissect the bullet' (whatever that means, but I didn't say that in the article!) -- Studies say that Xi's decision gains himself reputation (title says it all)
 * During the half-hour news conference, Chief Executive Donald Tsang had seven times praised the Democratic Party for their sincerity and responsiility.
 * Tsang Hin-chi says District Council method is approved by central government (title)
 * Former National People's Congress member Tsang hin-chi said, the one-person-two-votes method, which had been accepted by the SAR government, was also approved by the central government and adhered to the Basic Law. It is one big step Hong Kong's political system, etc etc.
 * Albert Ho tries to get [Andrew] Cheng's and [James] To's support in private (title says it all)
 * Several LSD members and citizens went to the Causeway Bay branch of the Professional Teachers' Union yesterday, where the Democratic Party's meeting was held. They demanded that the Democrats should not back the proposal. When Albert ho left, they cried insults at him, and the police had to protect him so that he could get in the car and leave.
 * The Democratic Party called for a meeting. After 5 hours of discussion, they decided to back the proposal. The legislative council proposal was supported by 246 people and opposed by 63; the chief executive proposal was backed by 237 and opposed by 71l...
 * Mrs [Rita] Fan pledges opposition parties to respect the mainstream public opinion (title says it all)
 * Civic Party insists on opposing the reform package (title says it all)
 * Under the reform proposal, there will be ten new seats in the legislative council, five of which are geographical constituencies and the rest functional constituencies. The latter are all given to the District Council, so this proposal is called the District Council Proposal.
 * Former National People's Congress member Tsang hin-chi said, the one-person-two-votes method, which had been accepted by the SAR government, was also approved by the central government and adhered to the Basic Law. It is one big step Hong Kong's political system, etc etc.
 * Albert Ho tries to get [Andrew] Cheng's and [James] To's support in private (title says it all)
 * Several LSD members and citizens went to the Causeway Bay branch of the Professional Teachers' Union yesterday, where the Democratic Party's meeting was held. They demanded that the Democrats should not back the proposal. When Albert ho left, they cried insults at him, and the police had to protect him so that he could get in the car and leave.
 * The Democratic Party called for a meeting. After 5 hours of discussion, they decided to back the proposal. The legislative council proposal was supported by 246 people and opposed by 63; the chief executive proposal was backed by 237 and opposed by 71l...
 * Mrs [Rita] Fan pledges opposition parties to respect the mainstream public opinion (title says it all)
 * Civic Party insists on opposing the reform package (title says it all)
 * Under the reform proposal, there will be ten new seats in the legislative council, five of which are geographical constituencies and the rest functional constituencies. The latter are all given to the District Council, so this proposal is called the District Council Proposal.
 * Mrs [Rita] Fan pledges opposition parties to respect the mainstream public opinion (title says it all)
 * Civic Party insists on opposing the reform package (title says it all)
 * Under the reform proposal, there will be ten new seats in the legislative council, five of which are geographical constituencies and the rest functional constituencies. The latter are all given to the District Council, so this proposal is called the District Council Proposal.
 * Civic Party insists on opposing the reform package (title says it all)
 * Under the reform proposal, there will be ten new seats in the legislative council, five of which are geographical constituencies and the rest functional constituencies. The latter are all given to the District Council, so this proposal is called the District Council Proposal.
 * Under the reform proposal, there will be ten new seats in the legislative council, five of which are geographical constituencies and the rest functional constituencies. The latter are all given to the District Council, so this proposal is called the District Council Proposal.

'''COULD SOMEONE PRETTY PLEASE REVIEW THIS? THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL MEETING IS TO BE HELD SOON! PLEASE!''' Kayau (talk · contribs) 03:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean to be rude, but the meeting is BEING HELD RIGHT NOW and results will be coming soon. Also, Andrew has already announced that he's leaving... Kayau (talk · contribs) 12:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE! I can assure you this is much more important than Stanley McChrystal... :) (OK, it's not more important but it's certainly more urgent!) Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do... C628 (talk) 14:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi, I saw your removal on the article. Actually what the ref was talking about was focusing on the Democrats' amendments, not the whole thing, so only the five new functional constituencies were shown. I will add an extra ref for that (though I can't promise that it will be in Eng...) Kayau (talk · contribs) 15:14, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


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German and Swedish foreign ministers agree on Gaza standpoint

June 23, 2010, Sweden — On Monday, the German foreign minister visited Stockholm for his first time. He met with Sweden's foreign minister, to coordinate in-depth views on matters such as the situation in Gaza and Kyrgyzstan.

Wikinews was at a press briefing by the ministers. Carl Bildt started by saying: "We work closely together in the, now we had the opportunity to sit down and go through the agenda and coordinate issues. The relations between Sweden and Germany are good, and that is hardly news."

Guido Westerwelle continued, commenting that "we have foremost discussed the situation in the . We emphasize that the decision of the Israeli government is a step in the correct direction, but we are convinced that there must be a total opening of the Gaza area. We want to support the moderate forces and help the life of people."

"This is also our common European view, and last week at a foreign minister meeting we agreed that full opening of the Gaza area is the goal. We work to influence our discussion partners in the Middle East, in particular the Israeli government, and also consider that the two-state solution without doubt is the only solution for peace."

Carl Bildt mentioned that they would have the opportunity for a short walk in scenic Old Town, Stockholm, and a short boat trip, while discussing further issues.

When asked about the situation in Kyrgyzstan, Carl Bildt told the reporters that "the situation is exceedingly worrying; the information we had over the weekend talks about the order of 2,000 dead and the order of 400,000 people who left their homes. This is in a very fragile part of central ."

"What we see necessary now is first to stabilize the situation quickly, then to be certain our aid is reaching people. There are talks about an international civilian police mission, to build the confidence which is a necessity for people to return. The situation is alarming."

Guido Westerwelle agreed, and said that "the first we do is protection of our European citizens, the second and very important is to protect the refugees so they have the chance to come to safe circumstances, and thirdly to stabilize the situation. Germany has started very quickly with a programme to help the refugees."


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This is the only edit I will do. SPent too much time already. If you want an "related stories" box, add it yourself. If you see grammar errors, fix them yourself. Other problems - same, fix yourself.

The article is a fairly exact version of what they said, it is over 60% exact quotes. It correpsonds in 80-85% to what and how they said it. Both ministers are not native english speakers, do not expect the queen's english. Nor will I attemt to correct them, this was what they said.

No, I will not upload the video of the meeting. Just firget it, do not ask, no way, will never happen.

Loking forward to seeing somebody fix the worst errors!

/Jan --Janwikifoto (talk) 12:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Jan is admirably persistent in donating his material to Wikinews in the face of robust comments.

Jan explained elsewhere why he won't upload his video. I don't think it is a reasonable burden to expect reporters to type up a transcript of an entire press conference: he transcribes the quotes he uses. (In general, we should and do encourage reporters to share recordings and transcripts of direct interviews and controversial topics.)

The OR guidelines recommends that private notes be emailed to a chosen admin or accredited reporter, who could vouch for them here. Obviously you can't email a video, but I don't know if Jan is able to extract audio from his recording, and email it with the instruction that it is private and that the addressee should only make personal use of it to verify the filed story.

However, all this is my opinion. Others expressed different views in the current discussion about original reporting and Assume good intentions.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 12:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews was there
I added the sentence "Wikinews was at a briefing by the ministers." It is a bit late to add this, and, as far as I can tell, we don't have an established style for explaining how we gathered the news. Therefore I didn't sight (aka flag/review) my own edit and I would appreciate a reviewer's opinion.

I would prefer to credit Janwikifoto by name, " reports/reported from the ministers' briefing for Wikinews" but that may invade his privacy.

(I also added the dateline template, per WN:SG )

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Ah, sorry about that. I was going to watch that show, but the ratings started tanking before I could get around with it, and after Firefly I no longer get invested in shows that are going to be cancelled before they get a resolution.


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Has anyone asked the poor people what they want ? geez they never learn :) —58.179.156.65 (talk) 13:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


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Question on sources
If a story is written by, say, AFP, published by, say, NY Times, and ends up at, say, Yahoo News, then which one is the publisher? Kayau (talk · contribs) 01:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The publisher would be Yahoo or whatever website the info is hosted on. The "author" would be the one who actually wrote the content. (does that make sense?) Tempodivalse [talk]  01:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Carolyn Doran article contains false allegation of hit and run fatality
Former Chief Operating Officer of Wikimedia Foundation is convicted felon

Hi. This article states that "Doran's criminal record includes four convictions... including one hit and run with fatality". This claim was originally reported in The Register, but was retracted:

From The Register article:

''Update - January 4: The original version of this story said that Carolyn Doran's hit and run DUI resulted in a fatality. This was based on two separate sets of computer records - one with the Loudoun County, Virginia Circuit Court and another on the web site of the Virginia Judicial System. But these records are incorrect. Apologies to Carolyn Doran and her family.''

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/13/wikimedia_coo_convicted_felon/page2.html

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The "hit and run fatality" claim has been in the WikiNews article for over 3 years. It needs to be removed ASAP.--94.76.233.42 (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This has been cross-posted to Brian McNeil's talk page (diff). — μ 18:09, June 8 2010 (UTC)

Factual accuracy of Noynoy Aquino elected Philippine president
I don't know if this is the correct place to report a serious problem with that article. Whoever shot Benigno Aquino, Jr., it wasn't Ferdinand Marcos himself, as the article tells us right now. This should be corrected ASAP as the article is a lead article.

Feel free to move that comment on another place if I was wrong here. --Matthiasb (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 * This is a reasonable place to put it.

 * It's easy to fix — done. Depublishing doesn't do nearly as much as fixing it, and is contrary to site practice.  (We have other ways of dealing with irretrievable cases, not that this comes anywhere near that level.)  --Pi zero (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I will. Guess my WB/WP ways don't work at WN. Kayau (talk · contribs) 01:33, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Boycott of Sweden's royal wedding
Sweden is a monarchy, that's not news. There was a royal wedding in Stockholm on Saturday June 19, that's not news anymore. What is news is that three major international news agencies: Reuters, AP and AFP decided to boycott this wedding. And why? Because of the conditions set out by Swedish Television (the company is named Sveriges Television, public broadcaster, previous monopoly) for video from the event. Commercial TV stations were only allowed to show video for 48 hours after the event. Apparently, the royal court had given sole rights to Swedish Television.

I'm all new to Wikinews and I'm not going to write this story. I'm just leaving a hint so someone else can, and I hope I can answer questions. Here are some hints and pointers:
 * This is what Google results for "royal wedding" look like right now, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocke66/4715291000/?v=1
 * The Huffington Post reported on this already, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/19/swedish-princess-victoria_n_618329.html
 * Voice of America reported on this already, http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/News-Organizations-Refuse-to-Cover-Swedens-Royal-Wedding--96722444.html
 * The three news agencies allegedly sent out a common press release about the boycott this morning.

And perhaps the best part of it: There are 200 free images from the event on Wikimedia Commons, under commons:Category:Wedding of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, and Daniel Westling. --LA2 (talk) 21:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Non-English sources
Recently I wrote an article Hong Kong Democratic Party stirs up universal suffrage reform package controversy. The verifiability has been disputed because only 3 out of the 16 sources are in English. However, I do not, as a complete newbie here, think that the lack of English sources is at all a reason to dispute its factual accuracy. First, we can always use Google translate for this. Although Google translate is not the best translation in the world, we can always use commons sense to make sense of what is going on there and compare it with the article. Secondly, the article is also based upon three English sources from the Standard, so a portion of the article can be verified by that. In Wikipedia, some people even simply assume good faith (though this is not how Wikinews works I'm told) and let your DYK nomination go through even if the source that the hook cites is in a foreign language. Without implementing AGF of course, is there a way that articles based on non-English sources can be verified? PS I do know there is a reviewer who speaks Chinese here... Kayau (talk · contribs) 01:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi Kayau. As far as I know, it is being discussed on Wikinews talk:Assume good intentions that stories are false until it is proven otherwise. Also, Chinese is sometimes a problem, because it is a completely different language to English, and Google Translate isn't accurate (I remember it translating "mice" as "mouse" [computers one]). What you can do? Translate some portions of the sources, preferably the parts it claims to source something, to make our work easier. It takes a lot of work to review an article, and sometimes when it's a foreign language (scratch Spanish), it makes it much longer to review them. Hope this explains it all to you. --Diego Grez return fire 01:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC) P.D. Also note Wikinews is completely different to Wikipedia. Wikinews accepts original reporting/research, Wikipedia doesn't. That's the main difference. Since that, we can't have exactly the same policies for everything. --Diego Grez return fire 01:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * (edit conflict) We should assume good faith, but only to the contributors themselves, not for their edits, which have to be rigorously checked lest something incorrect falls through - so that's not really applicable here. If anything, we have a policy of "all edits are incorrect unless proven otherwise". If a large portion of the article is from the English sources and there are only a few bits here and there taken from Chinese sources, then it probably is okay to use Google.
 * An alternative might be to just tell us on the talk page what bits you extracted out of the Chinese sources - the original text excerpt, along with a literal translation. It may be time consuming, but could help remove any doubts about Google's accuracy. Tempodivalse [talk]  01:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Not the first time this has happened. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And, I did make a reasonable effort to lay out what needed done:

3 out of 17 of the sources are in English. Kayau (talk · contribs) 10:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Then, please remove every single one of the non-English sources that is not absolutely necessary for someone to fact-check the article. Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But I got a bit of info from every one of the sources. It will simply make the article less verifiable if I just remove them... I will try to weed out some redundant ones though. Kayau (talk · contribs) 12:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, cite the "bit of info", which source from, literal translation, and how-worded in-article on the talk page. Yes, painful, slow, and the article may end up stale. The only realistic alternative is recruiting more speakers of that language who do have an excellent command of the Queen's English. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, User:KTo288 knows Chinese (well, Yue, but the characters are the same) and is a fairly active editor here, maybe try pinging him over at en.wp to see if he'd like to help out? (This is why I wish people would use babel boxes and categories more...) Tempodivalse [talk] 13:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is why many, many people give up on the approaches you think will work. I assume you can find the contributions of the user in question, and look at the work some people did in copyediting and reviewing. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The user does advertise that English is his native language, and previous contribs from him suggest he uses grammar usually appropriately - although I suppose, if all we want is for him to factcheck everything, someone else can do the actual copyediting. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much, yeah. Does he have the "review" bit? If he can indeed perform part of the review checks, then I'd be more happy. But, per my initial response above, if questioned on a specific statement of fact within the article, he would have to be able to respond to it in a cite, literal translation, and how-worded manner. i.e. He would have had to, carefully, read all the sources - possibly re-referring to them as Xe went through the article several times. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, he has the reviewer bit. But, supposing that he can't review for whatever reason or doesn't reply, what are we to do then? Entrust Google Translate with the task, or try to get Kayau to quote and translate everything from the sources on the talk page (methinks that's going to take a long time)? Tempodivalse [talk]  17:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with your pet project, Tempodivalse. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Sixteen or seventeen sources, even if they are understood by a reviewer without having to go via Google translate makes an article extremely time-consuming to check. We have to check each fact and that's more investment than I personally am prepared to do. We reviewers don't even know which article to check for each fact as the sources are not cited inline. Secondly, Google translate has its good and bad days. Having picked an article at random, I am trying to figure out what "His ideals may not be generous Person Die generous ideals, if I must insist to do by my heart, I approach Li moments when good results may impede the La Department of step had to." means in English. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 08:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)