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Talk:Users insert virus source code into Wikipedia pages

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Unless I can get the revision history of the users to blame, I don't have links to them. The administrator e-mailed me after I e-mailed him for questions. here are the correspondents as follows beginning with my sending of questions.

"Hello I am user DragonFire1024 on Wikinews. Was wondering if you could answer some questions about the virus on WP for a possible article.

What or who caused it? What was its purpose? Could other users/computers get the virus? What harm did it cause? When did this happen and how long was this happening before someone noticed it? How was it removed and who had to do it? Was any other Wiki affected other than Wikipedia?

And any kind of statement you could give would be great.

I am not a techie, so please bare with me :-)

Jason Safoutin"

Here is the reply from the administrator:

"I'll do my best to answer as much as I can... Yesterday I stumbled onto a troublemaker (or two) when I went to the Wikipedia sandbox. What I found was that User:MODX and User:71.40.157.158 were leaving text on various Wikipedia pages, including the sandbox, that would somehow (beyond my technical knowledge) load viruses onto a computer viewing the page. My antiviral program, luckily, seems to have protected me from the issue: McAfee Antivirus ID'd the executable files as: Generic@MM Virus LoveLetter@MM Virus

I was able to block the accounts and revert the additions to several pages. I went further and deleted the contributions of these editors where I could in the hopes of preventing follow-up attacks, copycat actions, and random editors stumbling into viral traps whilst walking through a page history. This went perfectly fine until I bit off waaay more than I (or the Wikipedia servers) could chew when I foolishly attempted to do the same to the sandbox, which has an extensive revision history. My action caused the site to come to a screeching halt for half an hour and filled my page with WP:TROUT wikitrout. :) Here's the current ANI thread that I started upon realizing the magnitude of my error: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Apologies_everyone... The site developers have now instituted a fix or two that should help prevent future massive deletion problems like what I caused. See for more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_Pump_%28technical%29#Deletion_restrictions_for_pages_with_long_histories

To end what I know of this story, I was advised that oversight was a better option for removing contributions on huge pages and, as such, contacted the oversight mailing list to request the complete deletion of all contributions by these users. The request was processed by User:Fred Bauder. He wrote to me in a response email: "I have a Mac so successfully viewed and oversighted. They do nothing to me, but look nasty, whatever they are." [I'm sure Fred won't mind that I shared this bit of pretty non-sensitive information, but please do okay with him any use of his ID or text in any sort of writeup you may do. Thanks.] That's all I got...hope it helps. Please do your best to play it safe on the details to avoid giving others nasty ideas, if possible. Cheers, User:Scientizzle" DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Regarding the contribution history, there's nothing there, only accessable by Oversight users. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 01:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Name
I am waiting on the user to e-mail me his real name :) Not sure if its required, but looks better. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:LoveLetter virus e-mail screenshot.gif
This image may be freely licensed on Flickr but is not correct as the image contains copyrighted elements, namely the Microsoft Windows interface. I'm currently considering the correct course of action but whatever happens this won't last long on Commons and should probably be uploaded locally with an appropriate fair use rationale as per screenshot. Some more info is at Category:Screen shots. Regards. Adambro 00:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Well I don't know what else to say really...its a private e-mail to him. So he can reveal it. The Windows icons or whatever can be cropped. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Image has been cropped. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved it to local upload asthe flickr user didn't create it so he doesn't really own the copyright. (i think) Bawolff ☺☻ 07:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Disseminating the IP address
How confident are you that Scientizzle got the IP exactly right? There is no edit history (obviously as the whole thing is about removing those edits). But it seems that there is some chance that it is a dynamic IP from Road Runner. Wouldn't it suffice to say "anon user" instead of listing the IP? I don't see how it benifits the reader to know the exact IP, it seems irrelevant. --SVTCobra 02:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. Given the circumstances in this case, I agree. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * All the edits were oversighted, I believe. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 03:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Paragraph about the worm (near the end)
I am a little concerned about the information, which seems to be from ILOVEYOU:Effects. This part of the Wikipedia article cites no sources or references for their $ amounts in the cleanup/damages. I am not sure that Wikipedia is a reliable source, when there are no citations. --SVTCobra 02:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

this does not make sense. how did an anon insert vbscript into the sandbox?
Although I am not familiar with the circumstances, if an anon managed to do what this article says he did (although it is a little short on details), this would be a fairly bad vulnerability in mediawiki. (see XSS). Only admins should be able to insert vbscript into wikipedia. (in a page in mediawiki ns where html is not escaped) ordinary users should not. Or is this article saying something other then I think it is? Bawolff ☺☻ 03:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Will a script like this actually insert a virus in somebody's system without warning? Does this depend on what browser the user is using? Dtobias 03:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Scripts like these aren't supposed to. If there is a vulnrability in the scripting language then its possible. This only affects internet explorer as it is the only browser to support vbscript (however there have been incidents in the past with other scripting languages I assume.). I'm not sure exactly what the circumstances of this whole thing is so take what i say with a grain of salt. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note this was just the source code. the script wasn't included in a way that would activate it. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Honestly this "news report" is a complete joke. All that happened was a user copy-pasted the code to an 8-year-old virus into the wikitext of the sandbox -- it's completely impossible to make code execute by embedding it into wikitext, for obvious reasons. Not even the most insecure user was even close to having any harmful code being run on their machine; this was basically a complete non-event. Krimpet 07:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Krimpet. The only news-worthy aspect of this was that the site was un-editable for a few minutes. --MZMcBride 07:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd agree with that, the point about the problems that were encountered when trying to remove this nonsense is the real interesting element of the story. Adambro 14:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

VBScript
Got that from some folks in the Wikipedia IRC CannNEL and bawolff. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I got vbscript from the article, so I can't really be used as a source. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Source
I don't want this to be too public:
 * While considering its a blank page and all.... Bawolff ☺☻ 04:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Scroll down. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats fairly complete proof that they didn't do anything that caused harm. (for that code to work, it would need to be inside certain tags on a webpage, and probably not executed in a web context (ie executed locally)) Bawolff ☺☻ 07:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats fairly complete proof that they didn't do anything that caused harm. (for that code to work, it would need to be inside certain tags on a webpage, and probably not executed in a web context (ie executed locally)) Bawolff ☺☻ 07:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

not a real threat
Partly based on the conversation i had on irc: bawolff>	I recently read an article about there being a vbscript virus in en wikipedia sandbox. inserted by an anon, but the article is really low on details.I was wondering if you folks know anything about it (was real vbscript inserted, was it a link to a vbscript virus, was it just the source with no real threat?, is the report inaccurate) bawolff: someone pasted the vbcode 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox/Archive?oldid=184831888&action=edit 	someone needs to oversight that but no threat So it was just the source code, it wasn't in tags or anything? not that I recall that's the link Splarka pasted 	the newsworthy aspect is that it made an admin try to delete the sandbox, causing enwp backends to lock up for 15-30 minutes 	and causing a quick patch in of a new rights group 'bigdelete' (not assigned on enwp) restricting deletions to articles with fewer than 5000 revisions 	hilarity did ensue ok thanks 	wikinews gonna report on it? Do you mind if we use the information you just gave me in the wikinews article on it		no prob, but it is not authoritive (not my vague understanding of the server-side problems anyway), it is based on watching the sysops and devs yell at each other for an hour ^_^ 	I can say: the delete failed (as the sandbox apparently has a few hundred thousand revisions), but while it was being processed editing was disabled on the english wikipedia for about a half hour Also the fact that if the script really got inserted that would be a major security vulnrability, and i assume people would be talking about that more then the fact it made 'pedia busy for half an hour. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Trout
With the mention of wikitrout, I'd categorise this more as Wackynews than anything serious.

I immediately assumed it was code trying to display in the browser and an overzealous antivirus program trying to justify its annual subscription. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Why preserve the sandbox history?
The sandbox is intended for only short-term use, so why doesn't the system regularly delete its entire revision history, preventing delays if it needs to be scrubbed? After all, when every new toy computer program is designed to allow new methods of inserting remote code into your system, there will eventually be a time when simply looking at a viral text code will put your hard drive so deep into a botnet it would take a sledgehammer to clean the virus out of it. 70.15.116.59 20:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If simply looking at viral code infects your computer, you need a different operating system. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * To look at the code the computer downloads and processes it. Barts1a (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

a wikipedia page link downloaded me a virus that locked my PC. How on earth do you get the link removed?? I am not rellay techie, so don't dare go back on to the page. It was the one that linked to all Hindu temples in the UK.


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User:Mr.Z-man

Hello, I am a contributor and sysop on the English Wikipedia (w:en:User:Mr.Z-man) and contributor on the Wikimedia Commons (commons:User:Mr.Z-man).

I may not respond to messages left on my talk page here as I do not check this site on a regular basis. I do most editing on the English Wikipedia. If you need to reach me, use email, leave me a message on my enwiki Talk page: w:en:User talk:Mr.Z-man. Thank you, Mr.Z-man

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:Mr.Z-man

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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User:DragonFire1024/archiveOct07-Jan08

Vandalism removed
But feel free to take a look if you want. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e] 05:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Edbrown05 Request for ArbCom
I've proposed a request for arbcom relating to the recent situation with Ed. If you take issue with being listed as an involved party, please remove your name from that list. Otherwise, I suppose you'll be expected to make a brief statement on that page. irid t i [mailto:ironiridis@gmail.com e] 07:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Userpage Sharing Project
You've been added as a member of the Userpage Sharing Project. You were added by me because I needed people to test the template with. If you wish to be removed, please contact me here. If not, please add to the top of your userpage (or wherever you want to stick it. Thanks, Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 22:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews:Protected deletions/auto
Protected deletions/auto is supposed to be used sparingly: Please only list articles here if they are either offensive or have been created more than once. The "Aaron stafford" pages do not seem to qualify. --SVTCobra 13:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Serious Vandalism in progress
Omegaspoom needs immediate blocking. JoshuaZ 01:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Beat me to it :-P DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well someone still needs to delete the bad redirects... JoshuaZ 02:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Crude oil prices template
Love it! --David Shankbone 03:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Taser death at Vancouver Airport
It is a real news event and there was a source. Why did you delete it?  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 17:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it was an empty article more than 2 days old. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. I forgot to check that.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 23:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Np :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion on FEMA employees pose as fake reporters during press conference
There's this new developement but the article was published 3 days ago, so I don't know if this should be included in the same article or as possibly a short followup. JoshuaZ 01:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Alum Rock Earthquake
wtf deleted earthquake page? 76.226.122.126 03:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See: 5.6 earthquake strikes California. Sorry. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Latest trial of the One Laptop Per Child running in India; Uraguay orders 100,000 machines
Could you help me with that material? :) Przykuta 13:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've tidied up the start of this, but by copying the entire report over the big issue is actually changing from first person narrative to a newsie style. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Updated title again. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Permanent ban
Probably for this IP: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.101.38.46  --David Shankbone 00:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hi!

I have question for you: Why do you deleted my password Braceface comeback polish Zigzap? Today is cartoon, stayed to emited in polish Zigzap. I'm waiting for your answer.Prasuk 18:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. It's my again. Why do you deleted my password Braceface comeback polish Zigzap. citation:

19:53, 4 November 2007 DragonFire1024 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Braceface comeback polish Zigzap"  (content was:  Ca...')''.

I'm waiting for your answer. Nice dayPrasuk 07:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

:)!!!
The day has come!!!--Mark Talk to me 17:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

12 'fire bombs' found inside Buffalo, New York apartment house
User:Jlwbflo has disputed the accuracy of your article. Can you please check your sources/anonymous witness again. --SVTCobra 19:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see Talk:12 'fire bombs' found inside Buffalo, New York apartment house --SVTCobra 19:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The complaints are ongoing. I have left the article up this time, but you should probably review the collaboration page Talk:12 'fire bombs' found inside Buffalo, New York apartment house. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are calm enough perhaps you could respond to User:Jlwbflo on the user's talk page. I have left a few messages there, but I feel like a go-between. It is obviously someone who is not used to navigating Wikinews. But if you need the buffer, I can do that too. I just say this because it does not appear to be a random troll, but rather someone from Buffalo, who has taken great exception to the article. I could be wrong. --SVTCobra 01:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What else can I do? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

DHS: al-Qaeda and Hezbollah planning to attack U.S. within three years
I would change that title, (CYA). --SVTCobra 03:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiLeaks
I have great appreciation for the reporting you are doing. It's difficult to write OR stories, and I think the ones you have been working on are admirable. Some of my critiques of Wikinews have been centered around us "adding something" to the Internet that is found anywhere else--not everything we do, though need be that--and that's what you are doing, and I think it's good. We'll stumble along the way, and I have done so in my interviews, but it's a learning process. --David Shankbone 15:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Crude Oil Prices
I think it is time to revisit if this should be on the main page. It has not been updated for days now. Did you have any success in finding someone to make a bot for updating? --SVTCobra 14:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately I have not :(I will ask Zach if he will...But no luck otherwise :( DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Jurock has just (literally minutes ago) taken an interest in this template. I'll link it Template:Crude Oil Prices. He was a bit bold (per our mantra) and restructured the thing, but I think it may be easier to update now. Take a look at it. --SVTCobra 01:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oil and stuff
Well I was updating it as much I could, but I started a new job and not a lot of time.
 * Please, my comment (just above that) wasn't -I mean- it wasn't incriminating... In Spanish Wikinews I constantly update the markets and well, I do it via BBC News's data, even though it hasn't got the most updated prices (10-15 min delay). What I meant is: there is no actual need to use the original sources when other sources are equally reliable (such as Bloomberg and BBC News and Yahoo! Finances). Sorry if it was incriminating. Hey! After all nobody pays us... =P - Jurock (reply) 01:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright
Only the coin image was, afaik, created by the FBI. They copied the GLogo pendant off https://laboutiquebleue.webbleu.net/, and the CLogo off http://clogo.org/main.php. The GLogo image is not free use. IdiotVictim 06:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * All images were taken as part of their investigation. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 06:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They were not. The CLogo image was created by Norbert de Jonge, trademarked and released under GFDL, and GLogo pendan photo was taken by la Boutique BLeue. (The latter is apparent in that the Boutique Bleue's version of the photo is higher resolution and not marked on.) IdiotVictim 07:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Blog layout
I'd like to discuss the blog layout, so I set up a page: Blog, please reply on the talk page. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
For your help on Sharpton :-) --David Shankbone 15:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Striking comments.
Sorry if I was coming as rude, but I was reading at the water cooler and caught the suggestion of striking offensive material as opposed to deleting it. Perhaps I will have more discussion with the folks at the water cooler to create consensus before performing any further strikes. VaporOne 00:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Is there any other places that are trying to address "flaming." I feel flaming degrades the free speech area, but also do not want to create problems. Is there a special topic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by VaporOne (talk • contribs) 00:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Camp Delta SOP
I hope that you understand, that when I am being harshly critical of an article, such as this, I am trying to make sure that what we publish here isn't fluff or crap. I want it to stand up to a test of legitimacy, so I challenge anything I feel that is not properly sourced or noted. Better me than someone from the "outside" is my thinking. I am not singling you out and I still think Russian opposition presents alleged evidence of election fraud is a crappy article (one with which you had nothing to do). --SVTCobra 02:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Technical problem/water cooler
I bring this discussion to your attention because I mention DHS video confirms details of leaked internal memo on al-Qaeda threat, and more in it. It is about non-http protocols. Please see Technical: non http protocols. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Editorial Cleanup for Two Hikers Found Dead
This article definitely needs cleanup but improvement may be easier if you stated reasons, in detail, the talk page, although nominating it for clean up is a good start as it brings the fact it is not ready to editors attention. --Anonymous101 17:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:000 0296.JPG
Please consider relicensing this image as you have done with all the other photos of this storm. Regards. Adambro 00:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Internet dangerous
Did you really give Prasuk a fair shake by deleting this so quickly? I know, he is often a bother, to me it seemed he was working on something with this. Well, whatever. --SVTCobra 02:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I didn't see the OR tag there...so I apologize and restored. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And not a bother...just eager and ready...much like me when I started here. The language barrier doesn't help...but I read some of it and agree...he seems to really be working on something. I got caught up in the deletion moment. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Your comment
I want to know if wikinews will let me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardkselby (talk • contribs) 20:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Lakota
This Lakota Group Breaks from U.S. was already in development, but since you published, I'll propose it merge into your article. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks, DF, for jumping in to help! Cheers, Jcart1534 20:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Reliable sources ... wikinews
Hi, thank you for defending Wikinews in the Wikipedia discussion, however, truth be told, our requirements for OR notes are poorly enforced. I have seen OR notes that amounted to "I saw this on TV" etc. This stuff is not verifiable, nor are interview notes that amount to "this interview took place face-to-face". I therefore hope to disuade you from arguing that this type of reporting amounts to something verifiable, and ask you to first consider Jimbo's "best-practices" idea that he presented here on Wikinews. Cheers. --SVTCobra 01:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

 * We have that, likely spread around in policies and such. I can say the style guide, accreditation policy, Welcome messages, etc etc...maybe it does need to be centralized. But point is, I am sick of WP and the sme excuses. We are as verifiable as anyone else if not more so. And if I ever see a I saw it on TV thing other than a press conference, which watching on v is like attending. And I would belive my word on that or yours over an anonymous user or new user. So the verifiability excuse is lame and getting old IMO. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I agree with Jimbo and sure we can do that, but lets be honest, is that going to make the least bit of difference in terms of WP? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you and I would believe eachother when we say we saw it on TV, but why would anyone else in the world? They don't understand our special relationship. Furthermore, it is no one else can go back and verify it. Further, believe it or not MSM has full-time people that are there to verify the stuff that they print or air. We don't exactly have that, so to say our stuff is as good or better rings kinda hollow. But in response to your followup about Jimbo's proposal, yes, yes I believe it will. An article that is archived and tagged "This article followed Best Practices" would be considered good enough to use as a reliable source on Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 02:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If we have to wait 2 weeks or more just to have US as a source on WP just to wait for an article to be protected, its not worth it. We are more reliable in terms of in depth OR reporting tan ANY MSM, IMO. And the WMF COO is a prime example. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If we follow our own archiving polices, it would just be 36 hours, we just have a back-log. And really the COO story was broken by The Register, we just confirmed that they weren't lying and we sourced everything. But the problem lies with truly OR stories that have no other source that the particular Wikinewsie that is writing it. That is what needs transparency/verifiability. --SVTCobra 02:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Users like Me Shankbone etc go through lots of trouble to research online and through personal research to get stories. Remember we are not a joe schmo. We are accredited Wikinewsies. Trusted users. I would agree more if this were about anyone else other than users like us. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If I may just jump in here with a trivial bit of info. The archiving policy is, "Any article which is published and dated no less than seven days from the current date should be archived per the process described below. Articles which have been published for more than 36 hours should not undergo significant edits..." Cheers and Merry Christmas! Jcart1534 02:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As always Jcart is right; but still after 36 hours articles should get protected. --SVTCobra 02:28, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen the Accredation Requests, they are not that hard to get. And again, I must ask, why would anyone outside of Wikinews trust them? --SVTCobra 02:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Dragon, are other accredited reporters lesser than you and Shankbone? Or would you agree that info from is immediately fit for inclusion in Wikipedia encyclopedic articles? Just asking. --SVTCobra 02:28, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, BrockF5 provides the best OR notes of anyone. He even scans his handwritten notes and uploads them. --SVTCobra 02:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave names off the top of my head because they are involved in the debate. I didn't give names to single anyone out. It was purely for examples only and I resent the insinuation. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And some of us don't have that kind of technological advantage, but does not make us any less to be trusted. BTW. Of all the interviews I did, I have e-mails, and also 90% are on audip tape if you would like me to send them. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What tech advantage? A scanner? So what? Type up your notes. The fact is that when OR "materials" are not in the OR notes, it leaves outsiders wondering. They should not have to ask for someone to e-mail it to them. --SVTCobra 03:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I do well with my notes thank you. And whether I type them out or not will make no difference to WP. I make a point to do good OR notes. And again I resent the insinuation that I don't. I don't have a scanner and if I could spend the money on one I would. I also have no means to upload my tapes. Wish did, because I have about 15 tapes, front and back. I love listening to them because its my best work. I wish someone else could enjoy that pleasure. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I know ... you are probably the most earnest Wikinewsie we have. The point is not your notes or BrockF5's notes or David Shankbone's notes, but we do let other stories get published with poor notes. Quite a few of them in fact. Here's a recent one: New mall in Washington, US almost complete, traffic a concern (and this is just one). This is not from an accredited Wikinewsie, not even a regular contributor, yet it got published. That, I think, is why your calls to Wikipeida about Wikinews being such a reliable source ring hollow. BTW, Jason, Merry Christmas. --SVTCobra 03:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

New line. Same to you :) BTW I have been very busy. If I had noticed that story at the time, I definotely would not have let it slip past with that little of notes. That's just unacceptable. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Please keep discussion on this issue restricted to the appropriate Water cooler section. Thanks! --Brian McNeil / talk 11:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews on Wikipedia
Don't make edits like this as it makes it impossible to follow the discussion. Comments should be chronological. Adambro 11:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice work!
Hi DragonFire. Just wanted to say I really enjoyed the tiger article. Very well written. Cheers, Jcart1534 14:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion
Hi, if you address the worker/visitor issue in this first tiger story, I'll develop the Seattle shooting. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you re-read it, you'll see that it says both. It should say one or the other or it should state it is unclear. But both sources say visitor, at least in the headline, and our title says worker (Mercury asked for login). --SVTCobra 01:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am lost as to where is says both? You mean title too? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Title says "worker", paragraph 1 says "worker", paragraph 2 says "visitor", paragraph 3 says "patron", paragraph 4 says "worker" - that's what I mean by says both. I am done with the Seattle story, so it is all yours. However, one of you edits claimed there were arrests, I didn't see that in the sources so I removed that. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I clarified as much as I could, but earlier reports were that it was two visitors and a worker that were injured/killed. And if you search google news there is a recent article, including the seattle times, where there aer at least two arrested. CNN too. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Lakota e-mail you got from SD
Regarding the e-mail you posted on wikinews, This is not a State Department issue. what??? Shouldn't it be? If the Lakota are going to be visiting foreign embassies, talking about their treaties with the US, that sounds like State Department business!

Just wanted to comment on that. ;) Schwael 18:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, is the e-mail you received citable as a source? It might be useful for wikipedia:Republic of Lakotah. --wikipedia:User:Stlemur 06:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.149.157 (talk)

I'm thinking of adding a "response" section; it would be nice to be able to say "the State Department considers the subject a matter for the Department of Interior" or the like. --wikipedia:User:Stlemur 12:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.149.157 (talk)

E-mail me the letter via the "e-mail this user" on my wikipedia user page? -wikipedia:User:Stlemur 12:48, 18:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.149.157 (talk)

Ah, makes sense. I'm at eschluessel at gmail dot com. -wikipedia:User:Stlemur 19:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.149.157 (talk)

One other thing I've noticed that's odd...the republicoflakotah and lakotaoyate sites have exactly the same news releases up to 24-12-2007 on them, except the contact info on the republicoflakotah ones have all been changed. I'm in touch with Naomi Archer of lakotaoyate about this and should be hearing more on the subject tomorrow. I've e-mailed republicoflakotah as well but so far nothing. --Stlemur 01:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani general election in jeopardy
Hello there DragonFire1024: Thank you so much for looking over the news item that I wrote, and for tagging it for cleanup. I am sorry that it didn't meet Wikinews's standards of NPOV and I confess I am a little puzzled -- I"m an admin on the English Wikipedia where we do take NPOV extremely seriously as I'm sure you're aware, and I read all the Wikinews style guidelines and editorial policies carefully. All the claims made in the news item were those of the sourced that I referenced, not my own; I should be most grateful if you would tell me how to improve it as I would benefit from an experienced Wikinews editor instructing me as to what Wikinews considers NPOV versus the appropriate Wikipedia standard. Thank you very much for your assistance. Yours, --NicholasTurnbull 07:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully?
Could you please explain more fully what triggered your concern?

I found your comments on Grandfather held in Guantanamo dies of cancer abrasive. Geo Swan 21:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Your corrections stripped out the page number -- essential in this case. You correction put the wrong date on one of the documents.

 * The only objection you put on the article was your objection to the references -- which I believe I have fixed. Geo Swan 22:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Misou
Please see new article Senior security official: "Hardly any chance" to ban German Church of Scientology. is continuing a pattern of behavior from the edit history of National Church of Scientology recognized in Spain. Cheers, Wilhelm 00:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
 * And that is what exactly? Misou 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
I dunno if you do RfA thanks here, or if it's just a Wikipedia thing. If not, I reckon the trend needs broken. Many thanks for participating in my RfA, which was successful. Unfortunatly, I can't use the excuse of testing my shiny new buttons to see what they do as I have them on Wikipedia ;). So, I guess that rules out any rogue-adminish behaivour ;-). Seriously, though, cheers, and see you around on-wiki! Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

My bad
Re I still think it looks strange to quote such a generic word in the title, but fair enough. My apologies for the rename. EVula // talk // 21:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Retaining stuff
This was up for getting wiped in a day or so as abandoned. Just wanted to let someone know I was keeping it around rather than losing it. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Leaving?
My activity Level changes daily. I am not leaving Wikinews. I am sorry if that is not made clear. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 16:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

2003 detention criteria for Guantanamo Bay prison leaked
Just wanted to let you know that this is scheduled for deletion per WN:PROD as it seems to be abandoned. --SVTCobra 01:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's ok. I never got a response back confirming or denying the authenticity. Without that, I don't want to publish really. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Fire reported at One HSBC Center in downtown Buffalo, New York

According to scanner frequencies of the Buffalo, New York fire department, smoke was reported on at least five floors at the northeast side at One HSBC Center in downtown Buffalo. The call came in around 10:50 p.m. (Eastern Time) on Friday January 18, not long after the ending of the NHL hockey game: the Sabres versus the Atlanta Thrashers which was held at HSBC Arena, a few blocks away from the tower.

According to firefighters communications the people that were on the 22nd floor made it out of the building safely. Firefighters saw "white smoke of varying intensities, believed to have been electrical" on floors 9 through 13. The source of the smoke was not identified, but the first alarm was on the 13th floor, followed by the 10th then the 9th.

Because of the cold temperatures and wind chills in the 10's, workers at the tower were allowed back into the first floor, which has been cleared by firefighters earlier in the call.

At 11:41 p.m., firefighters gave the all clear to begin packing up with no conclusion as to where the smoke originated. They used ventilation fans to clear the floors of smoke and then shut them off to see if anymore smoke would reappear, which it did not. Remaining employees and personnel have since been allowed back to work. No damage is reported.

The tower, built in 1970, is the tallest in Buffalo and is home several agencies including the Consulate General of Canada. HSBC currently occupies 75% of the tower which has 40 floors. It stands at 529 feet (161.2 meters) tall.


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Israel closes Gaza crossings in response to rocket attacks

January 19, 2008

Israel has sealed its borders with the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip after a surge in cross-border attacks this week. As Robert Berger reports from VOA's bureau, the move is raising fears of a humanitarian crisis in the impoverished territory.

Israel has closed all border crossings into Gaza, in response to an escalation in Palestinian rocket attacks. The militant group Hamas, which rules Gaza, has fired more than 100 rockets at Israel since Tuesday, when Israeli forces killed 19 Palestinians, most of them Hamas gunmen.

The rocket attacks have terrorized the Israeli town of and farming communities on the Gaza border. Israeli spokesman Arieh Mekel says that under these circumstances, it cannot be business as usual with Gaza.

"We are determined to continue and do whatever it takes until these daily attacks against our citizens will stop," he said.

The closure is a further blow to besieged Gaza, which is already facing shortages of food, raw materials, fuel and electricity. Israel has tightened sanctions since June, when Hamas seized control of Gaza and defeated the forces of Western-backed Palestinian President. Dr. Mona al-Farra of the in Gaza says the situation is going from bad to worse.

"I am warning of a large humanitarian crisis in Gaza for [the] Palestinian people, for women [and] children," she said.

Israel hopes that the sanctions, along with military pressure, will prompt Palestinians in Gaza to pressure Hamas to halt the rocket attacks. But Hamas and other militant groups are defiant. They say Israeli "collective punishment" will not stop the rockets.

The government of President Abbas in the also condemned the border closures. Palestinian officials warned that Israel is harming new peace talks, which resumed last month after a seven-year break.


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God bless you, yours, and America.

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Tempodivalse [talk]  03:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Care to explain?
Care to explain this? I mean... you've got a total of 8 edits, and you're telling us to kill ourselves? That's not cool, and certainly isn't helping the situation. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 22:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Six edits where? And someone from Wikinews is going to seriously try to lecture me about civility and good behavior? The actions of the past week are a complete disgrace. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Saying "but mom! They did it too!" isn't an excuse for bad behaviour, either on wiki or in real life. Please refrain from further etiquette violations. Thanks:) Gopher65talk 02:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This project has a pretty skewed view of what constitutes bad behavior.... --MZMcBride (talk) 02:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Depressingly bad methods of communications
Hi. Given the depressing nature of your communication and community input that suggests your tone appears to be counter productive to facilitating communication to further this project and the Movement, can you please consider moderating the tone of your communication to indicate more community support and less contempt for projects outside English Wikipedia? By doing this, you would receive less resistance to goals that further this particular project and the movement on the whole. Perhaps, while you're working on this effort, you can work on creating a new global delivery bot that specifically delivers messages that pertain to and impact projects other than English Wikipedia? That would be a worthwhile goal that would likely engender community support... especially if such a message was presented by a respected community functionary like Philipe. --LauraHale (talk) 13:31, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have contempt for projects other than the English Wikipedia. I have contempt for the English Wikinews.
 * Let's be clear again: the English Wikinews is the anomaly here. Global message delivery operates on literally hundreds of Wikimedia wikis every single week without issue. This particular (and particularly) hostile and insular community has decided to indefinitely block the bot and then raised a huge and undeserved fuss over a request to have the bot unblocked.
 * God bless America. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Investment advice

 * "Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance."
 * Well, I thought that until I just caught up the discussion on WN:Bots. You could've left well-alone, the bot you operate would've been unblocked and allowed to carry out the functions the WMF needs it to.
 * And, revert or rollback of edits? This is not Wikipedia, that the page here on the subject is virtually untouched from that imported from Wikipedia – including reference to policies Wikinews does not have – makes it somewhat irrelevant. It is not even linked into the set of policy pages.
 * Walking into the kitchen and peeing into your own Cheerios tends to result in your complaints about the cooking being ignored. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I like how you're suggesting that Wikinews hasn't imported basic courtesy. I had no idea Help:Reverting existed here. I do know that it's pretty universally agreed upon that using rollback on non-vandalistic edits is poor form. And even if Pi zero had somehow edited Wikimedia wikis for years without realizing this basic principle, I told him explicitly quite recently. And yet he doesn't get it. Oh well.
 * As to whether the bot gets approved or unblocked here, I can only repeat myself so many times. Though I'm considering Wikinews merchandise that uses the phrase "the news site that's unable to receive news." I think it's catchy. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:45, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Great. If anyone ever doubted you're a dick, I'm happy to see you're ready, willing and able to give demonstrations thereof. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Looking at RC: I'd be quite unlikely to take over something operating globally due to my lack of cross-wiki activity.

It looks like there was some dramatizing content you added, including condemning the project goals and even editing other user's comments.

If you see inserting snarky comments rather than giving constructive proposals as a way to "raise awareness of the project fail", I'm sure that you may find Vision interesting. It speaks about what the Wikimedia projects are for. *news sub-projects may aim for popularity, for being comprehensive, or for throwing massive amounts of quick (and possibly short) news at the visitors. Each approach has its cons and pros; different language editions of Wikinews set priorities differently.

Please refrain from disrupting this site; different approaches were tried and some thrown away while others lived during the history, and things are evolving, even if not up to your expectation. This is shaped by community. Shouting won't change things on its own, while constructive delicate proposals aimed at changing things in a way compatible with today way of things could work. --Gryllida?? 10:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. I don't think anyone is disrupting (or shouting). It's pretty much impossible to disrupt the English Wikinews, as it nobody visits it. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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IBM... I Blame McAfee
Bwaaah!

McAfee: ZOMG!!1!!! YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FAMOUS ILOVEYOU VIRUS!!1!!11! PAY YOUR SUBSCRIPTION!!! ONLY WE CAN SAVE COMPUTERKIND.

Wikinews needs to update oversight rules to include "Scripting code that may alarm unsuspecting victims with overzealous antivirus software". --Brian McNeil / talk 14:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Only Windows users are affected by this crap because Windows is crap itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.12.139 (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Ramen to that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.171.94 (talk) 03:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "12345"
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User talk:142.161.172.119

Hi 142.161.172.119, I noticed you added the link to the News Brief RSS. If it was you who created it I want to tell you that I created a news RSS as it has not been updated and replaced the links, if you want to restore your (if it was you who created) RSS feed just contact me and I will replace the link to the feed I created woth a link to the feed you created. Thanks! --User:Anonymous101 Talk 10:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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Canada adds United States to list of countries that torture

January 19, 2008

An internal training manual developed by the Canadian foreign affairs department lists the United States as a country where foreigners risk torture and abuse, alongside countries such as Afghanistan, China, Iran, Israel, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. Both Israel and the United States are officially allies of Canada.

The manual is a 93-page PowerPoint presentation by the Foreign Affairs Department for Canadian diplomats and was accidentally given to lawyers for the human rights group Amnesty International. It aims to teach diplomats how to identify and aid victims of torture, with a section on U.S. interrogation techniques including forced nudity, hooding, isolation, and sleep deprivation.

It was developed as part of a "torture awareness workshop" in response to the case of Maher Arar. Arar is a Canadian-Syrian citizen who was detained by the United States on suspected ties to terrorism, and deported to Syria where he was tortured. He was eventually returned to Canada, where he was awarded $11.5 million in compensation by the Canadian government.

Media attention in Canada was also drawn in recent years to the case of Omar Khadr, a Canadian citizen who has been held at the United States military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for over five years since the age of 15. He is accused of tossing a grenade that killed one U.S. soldier and injured another in Afghanistan in 2002. Human rights groups have long demanded that Canada pressure the United States into returning Khadr to Canada.

The leak was protested by the United States ambassador. "We find it to be offensive for us to be on the same list with countries like Iran and China. Quite frankly it's absurd," U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins to Canada said. "For us to be on a list like that is just ridiculous."

Alex Neve, Secretary-general of Amnesty International, said the organization had clear evidence of abuse in US and Israeli jails. "It's therefore reassuring and refreshing to see that ... foreign policy considerations didn't trump the human rights concern and keep them off the list."

Canadian officials disclaimed its significance. "The document is a training manual. It is not a policy document or a statement of policy. As such it does not convey the government's views or positions," said Marina Wilson, spokeswoman for the Department of Foreign Affairs in Ottawa.

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier said the manual "contains a list that wrongly includes some of our closest allies", and that he "regret[s] the embarrassment caused by the public disclosure of the manual used in the department's torture awareness training".


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Man arrested in connection with Honolulu toddler death

January 19, 2008

Matthew Higa, 23, has been arrested in connection with the death of a 23-month-old boy. Higa is alleged to have thrown the child from a pedestrian overpass into oncoming traffic on Honolulu's H-1 Freeway.

The local coroner's office noted that the child died on impact after falling 30 feet (9 meters) from the overpass. This occurred during Thursday's lunch rush hour in the heart of downtown. Upon impact, several cars struck the child, which caused traffic to grind to a halt.

The toddler, Cyrus Nainoa Tupaʻi Belt, was pronounced dead at the scene at 12:07 p.m. (2207 UTC), approximately 27 minutes after being allegedly being ejected from the overpass by Higa. The portion of H-1 was closed for approximately five hours with traffic diverted to side streets. The freeway was reopened in time for the evening commute.

At first the relationship between Higa and the child was unclear, but later reports stated that Higa lived adjacent to him and had babysat him on previous occasions. The boy's mother was out of town at the time of his death, but it was revealed that the child was supposed to be in the custody of his father and not with Higa.

Higa graduated from Roosevelt High School in 2003. In the summer of 2004 Higa was involved in an incident where police reports indicate a three-car race resulted in the death of a friend. Higa has since had a criminal history, with more than a dozen arrests but no convictions, and reports from neighbors of erratic behavior.

Queen's Medical Center, which houses a psychiatric ward in Honolulu, noted that he was a patient there as recently as December 11, 2007. When arrested, Higa was wearing hospital scrubs, which were not immediately conducive to whether Higa was a patient in Queen's psychiatric wing in the last couple of days. A representative of Queen's declined to comment on whether Higa was admitted in the last week.


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George Bush proposes economic growth package worth up to US$150 billion

January 19, 2008 🇺🇸

George W. Bush, the president of the United States has suggested an economic growth package that could be worth almost 1% of the United States' GDP (the US GDP is appoximately US$15 trillion). The package is expected to come in the form of tax cuts.

In a speech which took place yesterday Mr.Bush said that the economy is an area of "real concern," to the US government. He added that the US "economy is still creating jobs, though at a reduced pace."

Democrats want the tax refunds to cover payroll taxes paid by lower-income groups and be combined with more unemployment benefits, food stamps and federal aid to states. It warned against bundling proposals to make Bush's first term tax cuts permanent with the stimulus package, and the Bush administration has separated the two in this proposal.

When announcing the proposal George Bush said that "as Congress considers such a plan, there are certain principles that must guide its deliberations: This growth package must be big enough to make a difference in an economy as large and dynamic as ours -- which means it should be about 1 percent of GDP." He added that "this growth package must be built on broad-based tax relief that will directly affect economic growth -- and not the kind of spending projects that would have little immediate impact on our economy. This growth package must be temporary and take effect right away -- so we can get help to our economy when it needs it most." He also added that he believed the package "must not include any tax increases."

In the speech George Bush also made it clear that he believes the package should be passed through congress quickly. He said that his belief was that by passing the package through congress quickly would "provide a shot in the arm to keep a fundamentally strong economy healthy. And it will help keep economic sectors that are going through adjustments, such as the housing market, from adversely affecting other parts of our economy."


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I really think this story has not recieved enough coverage on other news sites. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 12:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I am so freekin' poor. But I'm still trillions of dollars richer than the U.S. government. How hilarious is that? —161.88.255.240 22:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, because Keynesianomics works. And because everyone knows that a temporary economic program is one of the most permanent devices of humanity created. Because consumption is /always/ better than savings! Ugh, this royally pisses me off. Fephisto 15:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Save without a goal!!!
Bury it in a hole!!!; and borrow a whole lot more (168.28.44.159 21:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) '' whats in your savings? ''

package deal
Who will get the money, business wage earners. Who else? Is veterans included in this package and senior's or just wage earners and business's get a tax break. I am confused on who will receive these checks. sandy hagan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.40.179 (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sandy, you're simply not cynical enough. The key proposed instrument is tax breaks, and if the record of the current administration is anything to go by, the lion's share of these funds will go to businesses with the noble goal of "promoting investment and job creation". The investment will be in the renumeration packages of the senior executives, and the job creation will be in China. The average working-class American will notice no difference; a higher percentage of his income will still go to the taxman than that of his company's management who earn enough to hire accountants; he will still be plagued with cost of living expenses being a very significant percentage of his costs. Face it, they call it the "American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe in it. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


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goes to show that not all people these days can be trusted with your child, even if you think they can be some people are sick and i think that the courts bring back capital punishment it may slow what is going on down a bit. Make some think that they can not get away with a lot of things.
 * Eh? You'd kill people for being ill enough to do this? He was in hospital scrubs. I'd be looking more into how the hell he got his hands on the child in that state. Obviously the U.S. (or at least Hawaii) has adopted the U.K.'s (S)Care in the community measures for handling mental patients. Oh, and please read on how to sign comments. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Jcart1534 13:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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YouTube banned in Turkey once again

January 19, 2008 The popular video website YouTube has been blocked in Turkey once more. Several sources quote complaints against a video that insults Atatürk, founder and first president of the Republic of Turkey, as the reason for the block. On Friday, internet users in Turkey found the website replaced by a notice saying:

Access to this web site has been suspended in accordance with decision no: 2008/55 of T.R. Ankara 12th Criminal Court of Peace.

A Turkish court issued a similar order in March last year, after a row between Turkish and Greek users escalated and resulted in insults of Atatürk, a serious offense in Turkey. Internet service providers such as Türk Telekom (the largest and formerly state-owned ISP) can use the domain name system to put the ban into effect.

At the moment, it remains unclear which videos or comments exactly are to blame. Some media sources say that the video compared Atatürk with a monkey. This led some YouTube users to suspect that a video entitled 'ataturk was a gay and a monkey turkey turkiye turks' led to the block. This video was added on November 7, 2007, and is a series of images with Atatürk's face on monkeys, homosexuals, obese individuals and several pictures of Borat. The uploader of the video, known as gaymal45, has several other videos which mock Prime Minister Erdogan and President Abdullah Gül.

Under article 301 of the Turkish penal code, public denigration of Turkishness, the Republic of Turkey, Atatürk, and other national symbols, is punishable by imprisonment. The article received a lot of attention because it resulted in the prosecution of intellectuals like Literature Nobel Prize Winner Orhan Pamuk and murdered journalist Hrant Dink.

It is also unclear how long the ban would last. The ban in March was lifted after 3 days, when YouTube sent evidence to the Turkish prosecutor that the video had been removed.

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Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton win Nevada Caucuses

January 19, 2008

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney appeared be the winner Saturday in the Nevada Republican Caucuses in the bid to be the next President of the United States.

With 2% of the votes counted, Romney was leading his nearest competitors by more than a 3 to 1 margin, or having 45% of the votes. Romney, a Republican who polls between second and third nationally, appears to have been helped by concerns over the health of the U.S. economy, as well as worries over immigration. This is Romney's third win after winning his home state of Michigan's Republican primary on Tuesday and the Wyoming primary which was overshadowed by other contests

According to entry polls conducted by CNN on Nevada voters, immigration and the economy topped the list of concerns - far exceeding concerns about Iraq and the War on Terror, issues generally thought to be weak spots for the Romney campaign. 38% of those polled believed the economy comes first.

U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), a long-shot candidate who once ran on the Libertarian ticket, and U.S. Senator John McCain were in a fight for second. Paul has 14% with McCain currently trailing at 13%. Democrats also cast votes Saturday, with results expected later in the afternoon.

The Nevada caucuses were largely overshadowed by the Republican South Carolina primary, which is being held on the same day. This was part of a strange campaign irony, as Nevada will send more delegates to the Republican National Convention in September. South Carolina was stripped of half its delegates after violating party rules by holding a primary contest before Super Tuesday.

New York state Senator Hillary Clinton has won the Nevada Democratic Caucus with 52% of the votes needed to win beating her opponent Barack Obama by 8% who had 44% of the votes. Hillary's win was boosted by minority Latino and women voters. There was some controversy over the fact that some at-large Democratic caucuses would be held in casinos, giving casino workers a chance to vote, the Nevada State Education Association and six individuals filed a lawsuit claiming this was unfair and would give more delegates then other locations and that this violates state law. Due to the fact that some of the Nevada State Education Association's leaders have endorsed Clinton and that the fact the lawsuit was filed two days after the Culinary Workers Union Local 226 endorsed Obama, lead some political commentators to state it was a proxy battle between Obama and Clinton.


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Please see my account on Wikipedia if you wish to speak to me, as I edit much more frequently there. Editorofthewiki 19:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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Plane crash kills ten in Angola

January 19, 2008

At least ten people on board have died in a plane crash on a mountain near Huambo, Angola. There are no survivors, and some sources place the death toll at 11 and others 12. It is thought that two of the deceased were Portuguese businessmen. Angola is a former colony of Portugal.

The Beechcraft King Air B200 twin-propeller aircraft registered D2-FFK had departed capital city Luanda at 1 a.m. EST on a 450 km (280 mile) domestic flight to Huambo. It belonged to Aeronautica, the trading name of Gira Globo, an Angolan charter company. The crash occurred at around 0800 local time.

It is reported that prior to the crash the plane had attempted to land at two different local airports. A team from the Angolan Armed Forces based near the scene responded to the accident.

Celso Rosas, head of the national aviation centre, said adverse weather conditions may have played a role in the crash. Rain and fog were reported at the time. A full investigation has been ordered by André Luís Brandão, Angola's transport minister. This is to be headed by his deputy, Hélder Presa.

The Portuguese were identified as Vasco Mendes and Nuno Marques. Early reports suggest that Valentim Amoes, chairman of Gira Globo, is also amongst the dead.

Inadequate maintenance is the main cause of the nation's poor aviation safety record. Last year, flag carrier TAAG Angola was added to the list of air carriers banned in the EU, and just hours after the news suffered a crash that killed six.

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Comments:Mitt Romney wins Nevada Republican Caucus

Horray for Ron Paul followers! This is a major step for him, and I foresee a real chance for him. - Ian Lee 20:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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Adam Aircraft suspends activities at Utah factory, lays off 300 workers amid financial difficulties

January 19, 2008

Adam Aircraft Industries has laid off 300 members of its 800-strong workforce and suspended operations at their plant in Ogden, Utah. The moves come as the result of unexpected financial difficulties.

In addition, Adam is transferring much of its work at Pueblo, Colorado to its headquarters at Centennial. The only operations that are to continue in Pueblo is machine shop work. In addition to these three locations, Adam had previously been considering the possibility of a plant at New Mexico.

Fifty employees were laid off at the Ogden facility, 170 in Pueblo and 80 in Centennial. Ogdon is planned to remain inoperational for six months. Laid off workers may be able to obtain new positions within the company when production resumes.

Adam Aircraft are producing two carbon composite aircraft: the Adam A500 twin-engine piston aircraft, which is certified and due to enter full production soon, and the Adam A700 very light jet, which is undergoing US federal certification processes.

Adam Aircraft spokesperson Shelly Simi said that the company is looking for between US$75 million and $100 million, and that they are in talks with Citibank to secure these funds.

Adam secured $93 million in August 2006, and $105 million in June 2007. The A500 is valued at $1.2 million and the A700 at $2.5 million. Seventeen A500s have been manufactured, of which seven have been delivered to customers. The backlog of orders totals around $1 billion.

Adam Aircraft President Duncan Koerbel released a statement that said To provide for our future growth, we must be strategic in our focus by managing current cash expenditures to ensure adequate time to secure financing for the long term. We're off to a good start in this effort with assistance from our partner, Citibank, but we need to be able to provide them with sufficient time working with potential investors to secure long term financing."


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Hi. The weather map is automatically updated, so adding stuff to it will only stay there until last time it was updated. If you want something else included, try asking user:Adambro. Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC) -

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Comments:Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton win Nevada Caucuses

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Why is Ron Paul so often referred to as a long-shot candidate? He consistently wins certain kinds of polls and does worse in other kinds of polls. I don't think it's easy to say that any Republican candidate is a long shot at this point. Barnaclese 00:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, he should just change his name to "Long-Shot Paul" since almost all articles feel it necessary to include it anyway. Giuliani was the apparent frontrunner last fall, but Paul has gotten more votes than him in most of the primaries so far. McCain was a long-shot at that point. Huckabee was a long-shot until he started surging.
 * I don't know whether Paul would win, but I think he'd be doing a lot better if people started understanding that he is a real candidate instead of just buying the infinitely-repeated "long-shot" characterization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.88.255.240 (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * you are a wing nut if u think ron paul is anything but a looooooooooooongggggggggggg shot. maybe a 5 way bus crash between all of the republican candidates.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.219.50 (talk) 17:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

a pic of romney are you missing something? --72.87.60.136 01:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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how far behind has Obama fallen? Its a real shame after a strong start as a non-american, it seamed you guys were going the right way with a president that took advice. Instead youve gone with a reactionary anti-gamer!


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Comments:Canada adds United States to list of countries that torture

Is there any news on whether the United States has added Canada to the list of countries about whose opinion they give a rat's arse? shh american you just got owned by the truth and a bunch of canadians who were probably high —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.171.94 (talk) 03:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, US is so deluded and self righteous that when faced with objective labelling using it's own criteria it gets upset. Jezz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.5.7 (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the rhetorical strategy of nuh-uh-ism. Amnesty International: "We have clear evidence of abuse in US and Israeli jails." U.S. Ambassador: "No you don't." -161.88.255.240 22:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To the USA ambassador: If you don't want to be on that list alongside Iran and China, then simply stop torturing ppl. We all know you do it. You admit yourself you do it. You are a bunch of sick people. 80.57.174.103 03:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Barnaclese. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Barnaclese~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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John McCain wins Republican South Carolina primary

January 20, 2008 Current Arizona senator John McCain won the South Carolina presidential primary in his bid to become the Republican candidate for President of the United States.

With 97 percent of the votes counted, McCain was announced winner with 33 percent of the votes, followed closely by Mike Huckabee, who had just three percent less.

"I know it's not easy and we've got a long way to go. There are some tough contests ahead," said McCain.

In his concession speech, Huckabee vowed that his campaign will not falter. "The reason that I want to encourage you tonight is to remind you that politics ... is not an event. It is a process. And the process is far, far from over," Huckabee said.

California representative Duncan Hunter, who had less than 1% of the vote, has now dropped out of the race.

The South Carolina primaries largely overshadowed the Nevada caucuses, being held the same day. Earlier that day in Nevada, former Governor Mitt Romney and former First Lady Hillary Clinton won the Republican and Democratic party primaries respectively. This was part of a strange campaign irony, as Nevada will send more delegates to the Republican National Convention in September. South Carolina was stripped of half its delegates after violating party rules by holding a primary contest before Super Tuesday.


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Wikinews:Fair use/Amendment to Template:Logo

This is a proposal to modify the image policy so that logos do not require individual fair use rationales. The reasoning is as follows:
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 * Entities want you to associate them with the logo
 * With exception to a few open source projects (not all), logos are copyrighted and trademarked to the greatest extent possible
 * All logos are the same in the above characteristics

Therefore, as all logos are the same, their fair use rationale are the same.

Typing the same thing over and over again is repetitive, if we put it in a central page and transcluded that page, it would reduce typing.

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French TV director Alain Jaubert talks about art programs in Taiwan

January 20, 2008 Alain Jaubert, director of the famous art program "Palettes" by Association Relative à la Télévision Européenne (ARTE) was invited by Taiwan Public Television Service (PTS Taiwan) and the French Institute in Taipei to talk about productions on his art program on January 19 in Taipei City. He also talked about some experiences and functionalities on art programs with the Chairman of National Culture and Arts Foundation Mingchuan Huang.

According to PTS Taiwan, Jaubert failed at his first attempt to produce "Palettes" in 1984, but finally succeeded in 1987 after his proposal was recalled and Jaubery tried another production style to introduce history and background on establishments of notable pictures to Europe. This program was finally recognized and encouraged by administration centers from three ancient monuments (Louvre, Musée d'Orsay, and Pompidou Centre). This also echoed Jaubert's words in his speech: "Without support by art comrades and those administrations centers, 'Palettes' would not exist; I wouldn't have become notable in Europe."

Before the Executive Panel, the PTS Taiwan screened highlights from some art programs including "Pelettes" by ARTE and "Avant Guard Liberation" by Mingchuan Huang. After the screening, executives talked about specifications on art programs and forecasted the future of directions on art programs world-wide.

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 * PTS Taiwan: 119 Alain Jaubert Art Day

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Mostly translated from Chinese version. In fact, I've listened to Alain's speech and he noticed more on productions on art TV programs. Brock contact... 05:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


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Hackers attack Church of Scientology website

January 20, 2008 Wikinews has learned that according to an Internet posting made just over 24 hours ago, the Church of Scientology's website is being attacked by hackers, causing the site to shut down.

The attack was launched on Wednesday by a user labelled "Anonymous", on the website "Insurgency Wiki", a spinoff of 4chan. The "History" section of the site explains, in a satirical fashion, that the incident was prompted by the Church of Scientology's attempts to remove a promotional video featuring Scientologist Tom Cruise from YouTube. Though YouTube is complying with the Church of Scientology's requests to take down the video, other sites such as Gawker.com have stated that they will keep hosting the video.

Writing in a blog post, Matthew Ingram of The Globe and Mail dubbed the ongoing conflict involving the Church of Scientology's attempts to remove the Cruise video from the Internet: "Scientology vs. the Internet, part XVII". He characterized the conflict between the Church of Scientology and anonymous posters of the Cruise video as "another small skirmish in a war that Scientology has been waging for almost 15 years, since the early days of newsgroups such as alt.religion.scientology, which posted internal church documents in 1994. Lawsuits have been filed, mailing lists have been shut down, homes of discussion group participants have been raided and their computers seized -- an all-out war."

One poster admitted to being a part of the effort, writing in a blog post "I have myself, as per instructions, loaded up Gigaloader and started bombarding the Scientology homepage. Theres [sic] something in the hilarious anarchy of the net that produces these 'events' every now and again." The poster wrote that "Prompted I think by the Tom Cruise video, a new obsession is taking hold on the internet. An insurgency against The Church of Scientology."

"Someone emailed me earlier today talking about a tool a group’s been using to attack the scientology website. It’s an interesting tool, created to overload/create malformed strings and crash a website’s database," said the post by an unknown author on pigmy.

The Church's website is currently unreachable. Some individuals reported that when they are able to reach the site, all they get is a message stating, "The word scientology means search for truth...". As of 15:11 GMT the site was accessible again, but only loads at relatively slow speeds, and by the end of the day Saturday the site was not loading at all.

Posts on the message board for the Scientology-critic site Operation Clambake from Friday theorized that a denial-of-service attack had occurred, and wrote that as of Friday the Scientology.org site was either not loading at all, or loading very slowly. Critics of Scientology at the Internet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology were critical of the attacks to the Church of Scientology website, with one poster writing "How can people look at both sides if one side is gone?"

Traffic to the Scientology website had already increased 18-fold prior to the attack, following increased attention after the Tom Cruise video appeared on the Internet. At that time, one in three visits to the site came from BBC News, and the website increased to number 3 in the company Hitwise UK's Lifestyle-Religion category.