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I know it's probably in the related, but the article should mention what he was stealing. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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Fiery collision between prison van and truck kills seven in Alabama, US

October 4, 2008 🇺🇸Six applicants to join the Alabama Department of Corrections and their driver have been killed after the prison van they were traveling in collided with an 18-wheeled truck. Both vehicles burned at the scene.

Andrew David Carter, who was driving the Lewis Trucking Company truck with a cargo of treated lumber, escaped the wreck without serious injury. He was briefly hospitalised and released. The deceased have been identified as driver Rodney Kelley, and applicants Julius Erving Douier, Lionel Michael Moore, John Henry Foye Jr., Brandon Jamaal Anglin, Henry Louis Simmons, and Derrick Lamar Ivey. The oldest victim was 45 and the youngest nearly 19.

The wreck occurred on Alabama's Route 82 near Bullock County, having left Bullock Correctional Facility to travel to Draper Correctional Facility in Elmore County for mental and physical fitness tests on the passengers before employment with the state.

The road was closed for eight hours while bodies and wreckage were recovered. As well as the van and the truck cab, part of the trucks cargo and several hundred square feet of nearby timber land were consumed by the fire. An investigation is ongoing, but it appears that the truck crossed the center line and there are no skid marks present.

The relatives of the victims will be offered counseling by the Department of Corrections.

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Comments:Hurricanes may be associated with sunspots

This post alarms me - global warming due to man made emissions also obviously has an effect on hurricane intensity, yet this article does not acknowledge this at all. There are a lot of interconnected factors at play on earth, and sun spots may be one, but the tone of this article makes it sound like they've found the ultimate source for hurricanes. Please add in a little more open mindedness! :)

hurricanes may be associated with lunatics operating submarines heating the ocean in a specific spot, then letting the weather machine do it's work. so what? sunspots have electromagnetic radiation which affects ionospheric comminications, but induced brownian motion is more targetable, and is more interesting than inducing sunspots. Yosef.garibaldi (talk) 21:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Bogus
There may be an association, even a correlation, but without even a theoretical mechanism there is no way to say they're causally related. Junk science. -  Amgine | t 00:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? I guess we will just have to wait 100 more years to find better evidence. I'll be waiting.--Nukedoom (talk) 23:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Dear Wikinews,

I apologize of any grammar or spelling mistakes.

My work is based on last Ice Age studies. I began looking at sunspots as the possible start of Named Storms after 1750 with the restart of sunspot cycles with some substance. I found that Glacier Bay glaciers began to recede with the restart of sunspot cycles around 1750. My readings of Ohio State University work showed that a constant of about 22 degrees is required to maintain a glacier along with precipitation, area to grow and a place to flow.

So, when did the named storms begin? They need 82 degrees ocean waters with a depth of 100 feet of 82 degrees. When were the oceans warm enough to support a named storm? We know that they have been tracked through the 1800s, but were they here any earlier than that?

My detailed work into this question began in April 2007 and is based on Sir Richard Gregory's work found in Sir James Jeans' book, Through Space and Time, which I purchased the year before. He matched Lake Victoria's lake levels to Sunspot activity and found that they matched. I simply took that a step or two furthered and assumed there were feeder storms to the lake. Named storms really didn't give it a correlation, but Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) came out beautifully.

I have quit a few charts based on sunspot activity compared to ACE.

One summary piece was published in the Lakeland Ledger: http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080402/NEWS/804020527/1037/EDIT

The important part of this piece is that it approaches the two questions of stated above. What does it take to move the glacier production forward and back and hurricane production forward and back. In detail, in 2002, the saddle in the last cycle, gave way to recorded growth in one Glacier Bay glacier. In that saddle, the two peaks of ACE formed the saddle along with the sunspot activity. That 60 degrees difference between glacier production and hurricane production doesn't take much to move it around.

The other question brought up is CO2. I approached it on the basis that CO2 not only maintains a warm earth, but it has to give over to cold like any compound. Thus, can the earth produce its own dry snow, liquid CO2 or dry ice. I think it can and I think the Polar Region ice is maintained in this way. CO2 appears to create 14-year delayed Mother Nature climate-change cycle. In other words, what begins to take place in the cycle sees its fruit around the 14th year. Without the CO2 balance, our climate would change nearly every year.

Since 1934, the sunspot cycles have shown significant strength except for 1964 to 1976 cycle. In that cycle, Polar Region ice grew and reached its max in 1979. As we have seen in the last 3 cycles, the hurricanes have picked up strength and Polar Region ice finally collapsed. At the end of the 1970s, La Niñas were nearly back to back. We only have data on La Niñas and El Niños dating back to 1923, I believe, which inhibits some comparisons.

Characteristics and tendencies of ACE in sunspot cycles:

The results shows that the first year of a sunspot cycle tends to determine the ACE for the coming cycle. As in 1913, it dropped off considerably due to a lack of sunspot activity. Now, we just finished another three hot cycles.

ACE tends to drop in the last and first year of a sunspot cycle. The last year dropped to 70 and historically it should have been a 40 ACE for the first year this cycle. However, the last two cycles showed little down-time in terms of ACE. They might drop to around 70 in the last year, but the first year has been a rocket in ACE. One reason not to be a forecaster. I missed that one. The three hot cycles are hotter than I thought. I did guess 8 to 12 and I think it will finish with 15 or 16 named storms this year. Named storms can happen in December. To my advantage or disadvantage as a forecaster is much of my data lacks the technology of today. I think we can count better, now, which adds ACE to the annual totals. It has to be higher now than what we had 50 years ago.

At trend I did notice in the first year of sunspot cycles is the named storms are more evenly distributed from spring to fall in the last few cycles. They tend to be bunched up around August to October when the cycles are cooler than its brothers and sisters.

Strong sunspot cycles produce two peak ACE periods, first begins around the 2d year of a cycle and is duplicated towards the end of the cycle. There is a valley in the middle of the cycle.

In summary, my data begins with 1889 and I'm awaiting 2008 data on sunspot activity and Hurricane Tracking Center's final word before a finish my first annual report. I'd like to protect my contribution to this web page. I did file it with Library of Congress. Recommendations? I know it needs to be validated?

My efforts to predict have mostly failed. The two things that stayed true in the characteristics for this year of a cycle were the equal mix of tropical storms and hurricanes and a realitive calm season for Florida. I try to remain historic, but this present cycle appears so far to match the 1997 to 2007 start up.

In the next few weeks I will pull my data together and try to determine which template to use in my report, the 1964 to 1976 cycle or the 1997 to 2007 cycle. It's favoring the latter at first glance.

Sincerely,

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Law firm tries to ban new book by Cambridge Press

October 5, 2008

The Schillings law firm in the United Kingdom, has attempted to remove certain content from an upcoming book by former Ambassador to the Central Asian Republic of Uzbekistan, Craig Murray. Schillings, a company which, according to Wikileaks, contains "well known UK censorship lawyers," sent a letter to Cambridge University Press threatening libel action if the content is not removed from Murray's book, The Catholic Orangemen of Togo, before publication.

According to Schilling, they sent the letter on behalf of " Lieutenant-Colonel Tim Spicer [...], C.E.O. of Aegis Defence Services Limited."

"We have reason to believe that the Book may contain serious, untrue and damaging defamatory allegations about our client," stated the letter. "Any widespread publication of the Book containing defamatory allegations concerning our client would be deeply damaging to our client's personal and professional reputations and would cause him profound distress and anxiety. We remind you that you would be responsible for that damage and any subsequent republication of the allegations. We also put you on notice that you will be liable for any special damage or loss suffered by our client as a result of the Book and we reserve all our client's rights in this regard."

Speaking to Wikileaks, Murray responded to these claims by saying that there is "yet more depressing correspondence with my publisher today — it really is getting me down."

"The publisher has an understandable fear of facing malicious and extremely expensive litigation under British libel laws, which exist to protect the reputations of the wealthy and the powerful," continued the former ambassador, explaining the issue. "As my entire purpose is to expose unsavory truths about the wealthy and the powerful, I really do not see how we are going to solve this."

Wikinews also spoke exclusively to Craig Murray on this issue. He made the following comments:

Libel law in the UK is notoriously used as a tool for the wealthy to suppress the truth. There is no access to justice because ordinary people cannot, and publishers will not, afford the huge legal bills involved in defending a libel case.

I have received no libel threats at all. Rather Schillings, acting on behalf of mercenary commander Tim Spicer, have threatened my publisher directly. In consequence my publisher has insisted not only that I remove vital facts from the book, but is attempting to insist that I include views and opinions which are not my own, and facts which are untrue, in the interest of "balance".

The extraordinary thing is that the book is a memoir, and the large majority of things the publisher wishes me to exclude under legal pressure are things I was an eye witness to or even did myself. There is no protection at all for freedom of speech in the UK — the concept does not de facto exist in law here.


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 * I gave DragonFire1024 an email to send to Murray for a statement. No reply yet. Anonymous101talk 17:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Refers to source content on Wikileaks Anonymous101talk 17:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Update: Email arrived:

Libel law in the UK is notoriously used as a tool for the wealthy to suppress the truth. There is no access to justice because ordinary people cannot, and publishers will not, afford the huge legal bills involved in defending a libel case. I have received no libel threats at all. Rather Schillings, acting on behalf of mercenary commander Tim Spicer, have threatened my publisher directly. In consequence my publisher has insisted not only that I remove vital facts from the book, but is attempting to insist that I include views and opinions which are not my own, and facts which are untrue, in the interest of "balance". The extraordinary thing is that the book is a memoir, and the large majority of things the publisher wishes me to exclude under legal pressure are things I was an eye witness to or even did myself. There is no protection at all for freedom of speech in the UK - the concept does not de facto exist in law here.
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Thanks,

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a few thoughts
"According to Schilling" should be either Schillings (if from the law firm in general) or [first name] Schilling if from that individual.

When was the first letter sent? And when was the "yet more depressing correspondence" sent?

Should "Catholic Orangemen" in The Catholic Orangemen of Togo be linked to Orange Institution? If not, I think a clause summarizing the book's topic would be useful. TransUtopian (talk) 18:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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editprotected Following this discussion with user:Brian McNeil, would someone mind adding Category:University of Cambridge? Bencherlite (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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Suspect in 1998 bombing of US embassy in Tanzania won't face death penalty

October 4, 2008 The United States Department of Defense (DoD) has denied military prosecutors the chance to charge Ahmed Kalfan Ghailani - a suspect imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba over alleged involvement in the 1998 bombing of the US embassy in Tanzania - with crimes that carry the death penalty. His trial for war crimes at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base will instead be for charges with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

DoD legal head Susan Crawford, who reviews each case, approved proceedings which were filed in March but refused to allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty. She did not reveal the reasoning behind these decisions.

The bombing he is alleged to have taken part in was one of a pair, the other being against the US embassy in Kenya. The suicide truck bombings killed 220 people and injured 4,000. It is alleged Ghailani acquired and transported the explosives al-Qaeda used in the attack in Tanzania, and that he and a bomber inspected the embassy together before the attack. Eleven of the fatalities and 85 of the injuries were in Tanzania.

He is charged with murder, attacking civilians and civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, destroying property, terrorism and providing material support to terrorism, all in violation of the laws of war. He admits to purchasing the TNT used and a mobile phone used by another attacker and being present when the truck was bought. However, he denies knowing that the embassy was the target.

He was captured in Pakistan in 2004 and transferred to Guantanamo in 2006. The following year he faced a hearing to prove he was an enemy combatant, at which he made his confessions.


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= Should Ghailani face the death penalty? =

 * Hell yeah he should face the death penalty, My taxes dollars don't go too Terrorist so they can get 3 meals a day and a nice bed too sleep in.--66.229.17.181 20:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.111 (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What were the laws in place at the time and location of the bombing?
There were laws at the place and time of the crime. Those are clearly the *only* laws which can be applied, and only the authorities authorized by those laws may try the case.

Which almost certainly means the USA is acting illegally to try him at all. -  Amgine | t 04:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Right on!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.170.104.65 (talk) 20:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


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Please also replace the wikipedia link in the 1st paragraph  Guantanamo Bay  with  Guantanamo Bay

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Lordi release music video for Finnish chart-topper 'Bite It Like a Bulldog'

October 4, 2008 Finnish theatrical hard rock band Lordi - who are known for their 'monster' personas - have released a music video for the single Bite It Like a Bulldog. The song rose to number one on the Finnish single chart.

The song is the lead single from Deadache, Lordi's new album, which is due for release later this month. The album's musical style is described as similar to the band's previous work in that it is melodic hard rock, but with a 'rougher' quality to it and stronger horror themes. The band's keyboardist previously compared some of the music to that of Rob Zombie.

The band have also introduced new incarnations of their costumes, as they do for the release of each album. According to the group's frontman, part of the aim for the video was to showcase these to the world for the first time. "The modern horror film classics such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake and Hostel were the starting points and the influence for the visual look," he told MTV.

He also explained that the intention was to produce something different with the video. "We wanted to achieve something that breaks the tradition of Lordi videos... The idea was to have a video with a not-so-simple and easily understandable storyline. We wanted the clip to focus on the feeling of the song and the new, more grotesque look of the band." The video was directed by Limppu Lindberg, who has worked on graphic design with Lordi and directed videos for Finnish metal bands such as Children of Bodom and Norther.

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Newly released script from 1970s would have been used as announcement after nuclear attack in UK

October 4, 2008 A script prepared by the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) and the Government of the United Kingdom in the 1970s, and released today, shows the text of the radio announcement that would be made in case of a nuclear attack on Britain.

The script was released by The National Archives, and it was discussed during the years from 1973 to 1975, as an act of preparation for a nuclear attack. This increased concern occurred due to the ongoing Cold War.

The script started by saying "This is the Wartime Broadcasting Service. This country has been attacked with nuclear weapons. Communications have been severely disrupted, and the number of casualties and the extent of the damage are not yet known. We shall bring you further information as soon as possible. Meanwhile, stay tuned to this wavelength, stay calm and stay in your own homes." It emphasised people should not leave their homes: "Remember there is nothing to be gained by trying to get away. By leaving your homes you could be exposing yourselves to greater danger."

"If you leave, you may find yourself without food, without water, without accommodation and without protection. Radioactive fall-out, which follows a nuclear explosion, is many times more dangerous if you are directly exposed to it in the open. Roofs and walls offer substantial protection. The safest place is indoors."

The script continued by telling citizens to "make sure gas and other fuel supplies are turned off and that all fires are extinguished," before telling the listener to "use your water only for essential drinking and cooking purposes."

"Make your food stocks last: ration your supply, because it may have to last for 14 days or more," continued the script. "If you live in an area where a fall-out warning has been given, stay in your fall-out room until you are told it is safe to come out."

The script finishes people by telling people to turn off their radio to conserve energy.

The documents were released under Britain's Freedom of Information Act, and it also said that all reports should be given out in an authoritative and comforting tone. It also contains letters from the Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications which describe how the use of a familiar voice will assure listeners that the BBC has not been obliterated.


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please do not flag me as a lunatic,

the satellite is my friend, not my wife.

she orbits our planet to reflect the light of the shemesh onto the eretz and mayim.

in english -- the moon reflects the light of the sun onto the land and the waters.

closer to home, the iss.nasa.gov has some great researchers finding new ways to improve intensive agriculture in hostile climates.

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check out my comment [] - maybe the national guard could stop the illegal immigration along with state forces, along with INCREASED LEGAL IMMIGRATION from mexico, and less pressure on Canadians to be sterile in their family life. more population growth = more potential for economic growth

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Ralph Nader calls out Democrats for financial bailout

October 5, 2008 Independent U.S. presidential candidate Ralph Nader had harsh words for the Democrats who engineered yesterday's passage of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, a bailout of the U.S. financial system. At a campaign stop in Waterbury, Connecticut on Saturday, Nader said that Democrats passed up a chance to enact re-regulation of the financial system and instead gave Wall Street everything it wanted.

According to Nader, Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT), Representative Barney Frank (D-MA), and other Democrats considered but rejected measures such as a tax on transactions of derivatives (a "speculation tax") because of their financial ties to Wall Street and its lobbyists. He said that Representative Chris Murphy (D-CT), who represents Waterbury, had "become a toady" of Nancy Pelosi. He drew enthusiastic applause by calling Murphy "a dynamic fraud", and referred to Senator Joe Lieberman as "the Hermaphrodite of American Politics". For Murphy and Representative Chris Shays (R-CT), Nader said, supporting the bailout despite the opposition of constituents was a "profile in betrayal". Because there were no public hearings where taxpayers and experts could weigh in on the bailout, Nader characterized it as a return to "taxation without representation"—under "King George IV" 225 years after the 13 colonies were taxed under King George III.

Asked about causes of the financial crisis, Nader pointed to the deregulation of the financial sector with the 1999 Glass-Steagall Act and further deregulation in 2000, as well as the rise of overly complex financial derivatives. He outlined a four-part reform plan: Regarding the equity warrants included in the passed bailout, Nader relayed word from an unnamed source that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson had told Wall Street executives "don't worry, it's not enforceable".
 * 1) Re-regulation of financial markets
 * 2) Increasing shareholder control of corporations
 * 3) Taxpayer equity as part of any bailout, as in the 1979 bailout of Chrysler Corporation
 * 4) Making speculators pay by enacting a 0.1% tax on derivatives transactions (which Nader said will amount to over $500 trillion this year)

Nader told reporters that he had abandoned the Green Party because "Greens are not disciplined, and they're not mature", and also lack the fund-raising capabilities to break into mainstream political discussions. "They bicker and bicker," he said, pushing out their best people. However, he endorsed several local Green Party candidates, including Chris Murphy's opponent Harold Burbank.

The virtual media blackout for third party campaigns by national newspapers and networks has been a source of continual frustration for the Nader campaign, as well as the campaigns of Libertarian Bob Barr and Green Cynthia McKinney and the post-campaign activities of Republican Ron Paul. According to Nader, reporters tell him that editors of national media are "very bigoted against third party and independent candidacies". Even journalists for taxpayer-supported media, such as National Public Radio's Terry Gross and the Public Broadcasting Service's Jim Lehrer, have shut him out during this campaign. Debates, he lamented, are controlled by corporate interests through the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Nader spoke to a supportive crowd of about 60 people and his campaign raised over $2000 at the event, their third visit to Waterbury. The event took place in the former building of a closed-down bank.


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Original Reporting Notes
These are my reporting notes: --ragesoss (talk) 23:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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A note about the value of derivatives transactions: Nader did indeed say they would total $500 trillion (not billion) this year. That number is consistent with other discussion of derivatives. See, e.g., "Derivatives the new 'ticking bomb': Buffett and Gross warn: $516 trillion bubble is a disaster waiting to happen", Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch, March 10, 2008.--ragesoss (talk) 12:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Length
Are all pages on Wikinews this short? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Normiad (talk • contribs)
 * Wikinews doesn't make a habit of giving the entire world history of a subject in every article. For instance, when we write an article about one of NASA's probes, we don't feel compelled to spend 12 paragraphs discussing the Space Shuttle Columbia accident, or the destruction of Challenger, or 3 paragraphs about Neil Armstrong. The article is about a probe, not about NASA's entire history. Instead, we do this: NASA, and you can read about the background if you choose to do so. If you read an article on CNN on the other hand, they will have ONE paragraph of (non-informative, overly generalized) news, and then 3 pages of useless blathering crap. It's up to you to choose which one of those two styles you want. Gopher65talk 18:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Glass-Steagall Act
editprotected flag "Nader pointed to the deregulation of the financial sector with the 1999 Glass-Steagall Act" Sorry, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act happened in 1933. From the Glass-Steagall Act Wikipedia article: "Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act".

So Nader was against the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

Karol qwerty (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I think we need to investigate whether Nader inadvertently named the wrong act, or whether Wikinews made an error.  In the end, we need to decide whether to post a correction/retraction, or quietly edit the text. --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

 * In the sources section http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/nader_bailout_a.html link mentions that in a telephone interview he said "he opposed the 1999 financial deregulation law" - I see no mention of the name of that act. The other link in the sources is already dead.

 * If I'd have too guess, I think some Wikinews editor mixed up the names but maybe the other cited source is to blame - journalists make mistakes too. Or maybe Mr. Nader wasn't thinking clearly when he made that comment.

 * I haven't read the Wikinews' policy but I think "innocent until proven otherwise" rule means that if no one can find another source with Mr. Nader's alleged blunder we should quietly edit the error.
 * Karol qwerty (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 * There is no "innocent until proven otherwise" rule about the news we report. Only in our purely interpersonal relations within the community —which have no effect on what news we report— do we assume innocent until proven otherwise.  Our assumption about the news itself is more like "wrong until proven right".

 * In this case, it seems to me we should rephrase to avoiding naming the act at all.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Page 2 of the reporter's notes very clearly says "repeal" :
 * Now there is no question in my mind: Nader did not make an error. Wikinews made a typo.  I propose we fix it by adding the words "repeal of the":
 * Now there is no question in my mind: Nader did not make an error. Wikinews made a typo.  I propose we fix it by adding the words "repeal of the":

 * ... Nader pointed to the deregulation of the financial sector with the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act ...

 * I am happy that we do this without posting a correction notice, as in my opinion it is not material to the story.
 * Opinions?
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

 * On more careful scrutiny (better late than never), it seems there's precedent with comparably sized corrections for using the tag, and not editing the article itself. Just looking through past articles that use correction (and not all of them, at that), I see
 * Aung San Suu Kyi leaves house arrest to meet with government official (January 2, 2008), and
 * Fight for consideration as hockey's hometown rages on in Canada, as a premier takes issue (February 9, 2007).
 * I did find one article that used the tag to indicate that an earlier version had said something incorrect, but that case doesn't seem to apply because the correction was applied while the article was still being actively worked on; I think it's superseded by later evolution of policy anyway.

 * If we consider those precedents still valid, then we would want something like

 * --Pi zero (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Done Correction posted, with slightly different wording. Feel free to tweak. Thanks for resolving this. I have removed the flag from this Talk page. --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


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Man uses home-made flamethrower to set relatives on fire

October 5, 2008 An Austrian man is in jail after authorities say he used a flamethrower to burn his two elderly in-law parents to death as they slept in their home located in Hartberg in the state of Styria.

The man, 48, is said to have first doused the bedroom with gasoline and then used a canister filled with propane to light the room on fire.

The victims, a woman and man in their 80's, were sleeping when the suspect lit them on fire. The woman was bed ridden due to advanced diabetes and had previously had her legs amputated, and died where she slept. Her husband was able to escape where authorities found him dead, lying on a bench in the couple's garden.

The suspect left the scene of the crime, but was apprehended by police shortly after the incident. In the process, the man stabbed himself in the stomach in an apparent suicide attempt. He is currently in a drug induced coma at a local hospital.

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Witnesses: Doomed train had green light

October 7, 2008 Two railfans and a security officer who were at the Metrolink station in Chatsworth, California on the afternoon of Friday, September 12, when Metrolink Train 111 collided with an oncoming freight train, say the train had received a green signal just before the collision. The witness accounts were published in a recent Los Angeles Times article. The wreck killed 25 passengers and injured dozens more.

The accounts, if true, contradict the preliminary findings of officials investigating the crash, who have said that a red light was ignored. It was estimated that 350-400 passengers were aboard the Metrolink train when it crashed. The signal in question is located about a mile from the Chatsworth train station but, according both to witnesses and to investigators, is clearly visible from the station platform. One of the civilian witnesses, a railfan, was expecting the oncoming freight train, but says that when he looked at the signal to see whether the train engineer had an indication to proceed or not, he saw that it was green. A few days later, both he and the other civilian witness told a Federal investigator what they had seen. According to an expert interviewed by the Los Angeles Times, false green railway signals are an extremely rare event, but they do occur.

It is not uncommon for eyewitness reports to disagree with each other or to be unreliable. However, in this case, the accounts of three witnesses agree with each other, and one of the witnesses is a professional security guard. It is not known whether there are other witnesses who disagree with the three.

Federal investigators have been focusing their investigation on cellphone records, which show that the engineer of the ill-fated Metrolink 111 commuter train had been sending and receiving text messages, including one only 22 seconds before the crash. They also conducted extensive tests of the signaling system. The signaling system functioned normally during the tests, and computer records show that the signal in question had been red immediately prior to the collision.

Federal regulations require railroads to notify the Federal Railroad Administration any time that a false signal to proceed is known to have occurred. A number of different conditions can cause false proceed signals, including communication circuit failures, wiring errors or, more rarely, software bugs. In one instance, such a design flaw on an Amtrak line went undetected for nearly 35 years.

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WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!--66.229.17.181 00:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy shit this is hilarious. Why did he do it? --Cheddar McCheese (talk) 03:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Jesus what kind of people are in this world.Are we really nearing the WW III?Hope not, i want my children to live happily. (UG FTW) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.124.234 (talk) 09:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

what is the matter with Austrians? Is their something in the water there? Rdioactive fallout? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.163.70 (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Uncanny
The map of Austria appeared to be a jet of flame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.136.112 (talk) 23:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Justice will be served!
I hope that the maximum penalty be held until the death of the murderer.


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October 5, 2008

Despite the passage of a 700 billion USD bill by the United States House of Representatives on Friday and the Senate on Wednesday, two U.S. states may need loans totaling over 14 billion dollars.

California and Massachusetts are seeking at least 7 billion dollars each from the federal government as loans. Officials and lawmakers in both states say that the loans would be temporary.

According to Massachusetts' state treasurer, Timothy P. Cahill, the state was unable to borrow money last week on a short term loan. He also states that the state can afford to pay its bills and debts for the next few weeks, but not beyond that without a short-term loan from the government. Cahill has asked the federal government for a loan similar to the recent one passed by Congress and the Senate.

"That's all we would ask them to do: Treat us like the investment banks," said Cahill to the Associated Press.

Officials in California say they need an emergency loan, or they will run out of money by the end of October. California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger said the state is "not out of the woods" and needs a short term loan from the government.

"California and other states may be unable to obtain the necessary level of financing to maintain government operations and may be forced to turn to the federal treasury for short-term financing," said Schwarzenegger in a letter to the Treasury Department, which is taking the letter under consideration.

On Friday, the U.S. House of Representative voted to pass a revised bailout bill which included raising the FDIC insurance cap to $250,000, a move designed to please progressives. However, the $110 billion in tax breaks, earmarks and what has been called pork barrel spending is not offset by any increases in revenues and has added opposition to the bill from some Representatives in the House. Earmarks added into the bailout bill included $192 million in tax rebates for the Virgin Islands rum industry, $148 million in tax cuts for the wool industry, $100 million tax cuts to the auto racing industry, and $48 million in Hollywood tax incentives, among others.


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VP candidate Palin accuses Obama of terrorist links

October 5, 2008 At a Republican rally in, U.S. governor and Vice-Presidential hopeful, Sarah Palin accused Democratic candidate Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country". The charge was repeated at a later rally for around 13,000, supporters. The accusation centers around a report in  associating Obama with, a Chicago professor who was a member of the radical group during the 1960s. Ayers was one of the founders of the Weathermen, and involved in their anti- bombing campaign throughout the early 1970s.

Loading her attack with, Palin told supporters "one of Barack's earliest supporters is a man who, according to the New York Times, and they are hardly ever wrong, was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that quote launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and US Capitol. Wow. These are the same guys who think patriotism is paying higher taxes."

Despite Palin's attack, the original article in the October 3 New York Times concluded that Obama and Ayers were never close, and that the connection was through Obama's initial run for office and a schools reform project, "saying that their paths have crossed sporadically". The report quotes Obama as describing Ayers as, "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know" and "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8". According to a campaign spokesman, the two men first met through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational project started in 1995.

Democratic campaign aides claim the alleged relationship has been played up by the presidential hopeful's opponents as a smear campaign. Comparisons to the (SBVT) have been drawn. SBVT was a political group drawn together during the 2004 presidential election with the aim of opposing 's candidacy.


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= Do you think Palin's accusation is valid? =

Whoa. Obama was eight when these guys were doing their thing? Hmmmm. That sounds like a solid connection to me. Maybe he supplied them with all the 25¢ lemonade that they could drink! This needs further investigation I can see. Gopher65talk 07:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I love how she conveniently left out how the same article concluded that there was no real connection between the two. I added a bit more in so that readers will get to know the whole story. God, she's pathetic... --Poisonous (talk) 08:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Loving the liberals, Racist pastor and Terrorist teacher that loves him, yet you guys look the other way every time. And they say we Neo Cons have no brains. --66.229.17.181 09:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My, that certainly is an intelligent and articulate critique of the article you are commenting on. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget how Sarah Palin has her little witch doctor, that she ACTUALLY has a connection with. Unlike Obama, who never was close with the guy (as the same article states) and who constantly denounced his pastor until he ended up leaving his church. Sometimes, I wonder if Conservatives have the capacity to think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.228.124 (talk) 15:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003877213_brain10.html and http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/17/theres-no-arguing-with-conservatives-no-seriously-scientific-studies-prove-it/ may interest you! ;) --Poisonous (talk) 23:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Valid?
Valid? Ummm... No. Old news at that. This has already been raised once by the McCain campaign... Including a TV spot. Obama appeared with O'Reilly on Fox and talked about it. Since Palin survived the debate, McPalin is taking off the proverbial gloves and getting ready for a dirty fight because it's all they have left. Maybe, since the words are coming from Palin's lips instead of John McCain's, this'll get some traction. Will it grow legs and walk? Don't think so. It'll slither long enough for someone to put it out of it's misery.

Sad commentary, don'tcha think? Rehashing old news which is already known to have failed... Spreading known lies...  Will the American citizenry fall for it again? (Fear, Lies, etc)

—PharmD40 (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

pwned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.130.181 (talk) 11:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Lower than low
Wow. According to Palin, you're "linked" to a terrorist if you happen to be on the same board of directors as said terrorist? I would understand if Obama was old enough to have known Mr. Ayers when he was carrying out bombings, but by the time Obama got on this board, the guy's a professor! If McCain and Palin are spending so much time attacking Obama with lies like these, there must not be anything good to say about themselves. Xenon54 (talk) 12:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

OOOOHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
REPUBLICANS SUUUUUCKS!!! DESPERATE MOTHERFUCKERS GO TO HELL YOU RETARDS!!

Of course not! But, rebublicans can't find any real meat against Barack, so they must resort to lies or things that don't really matter, hype them up as resnons not to vote for the dems. They are hoping that Americans are stupid enough to believe it! Sadly, it is the case sometimes (at least in the case for rebublicans).

As an American living in Germany, it is difficult for me to explain to Germans what is going on in America when they ask me, and this will only make it worse. Thanks, Palin, for being a true representative of AMERICANS; an ignorant piece of cr*p. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.9.30 (talk) 10:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I like how this guy said motherfuckers but censored crap. --Gin Rummy
 * Pay more attention. Those are separate comments from different users, you can tell from the contributions. 68.222.134.129 02:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Facts
1) Wuz his name is a weatherman terrorist;

2) Obama worked or organized with the weatherman terrorist later in life; and

3) Palin is stating the facts.

End of story. 76.64.162.214 15:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I wish it was long live The Weathermen!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.163.70 (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * long live The Weathermen!!

The Pot Will Call the Kettle Black
Sarah Palin is a terrorist, she uses her limited intellect and "folksy colloquiallisms" to strike fear into the hearts of freedom-loving people across the globe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.163.70 (talk) 17:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Neh, who cares
Pretty pathetic, but who cares anyways? Both are the same government with different faces, nothing is going to 'change'.

liar liar pants on fire! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.95.70 (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Not at all. She's quickly becoming political suicide for McCain.81.84.86.77 21:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

god no, people have associations with tons of people. Does that mean they always agree with them, no, absolutely not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.49.142 (talk) 22:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Not Valid.
Not valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.109.233.121 (talk) 00:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Eh heh heh, she is jumping off the deep end, here. Dead wrong.

Palin should be killed!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.247.210 (talk) 01:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Timeline doesn't make sense
How could Obama be a terrorist if he was only like 8 years old when that shit happened?
 * Obama befriended him when he began teaching at his collage. Quit using Oh he was young when it happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Befriended? Please. Read the article or shush. --Poisonous (talk) 05:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, be sure to spell "college" correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.175.146 (talk) 22:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

and they say were brain wash
Wow for real, anti American friends and none of you guys question that expect you back a Man that has ties with Racism and Terrorism. Liberals let again prove that they will follow an anti American because showing Patriotism in a time of war is not worth it. Just don't bitch to be when were attack again. --66.229.17.181 04:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you bother to read the article? Seriously? About how the same article she quoted concluded and showed how they had no relationship? Or do you just intend to ignore anything that doesn't make you hate liberals more without reason? --Poisonous (talk) 05:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at all his friends, everyone of his friends are either anti American or Racist. You guys worship him like a cult leader.--66.229.17.181 22:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Smear Campaign
I've always looked at McCain as a respectful politician, but his choice of Sarah Palin as well as his recent attack ads have shown me exactly what the Republican Party can do to a person. In the times of Reagan, the Republican Party was in much better shape than now.

Tying Obama to terrorists based on such shaky facts is beyond absurd. It is more like idiocy! --Haha169 (talk) 05:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting
By her logic and reasoning then Bush is also a terrorist.w:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.108.15.11 (talk) 14:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Tenuous connection to an ineffectual aging radical...
Although Obama lacks the experience to have the job, not unlike the last two occupants of the office, the association is hardly troubling.

Palin appears to have been selected to energize the conervative base who until then were rather indifferent to a McCain candidacy. The real question should be why the DNC chose inexperience and the top of their ticket while the RNC chose inexperience at the bottom.

While it is in fact a desperate and almost certainly ineffectual argument even when used in a supportive conservative venue, this is more likely a direct result of the blank slate that is Obama. To argue that this issue has any importance just reinforces to me that the man has done little of consequence. (Outside of the admirable speed with which he has risen in his party's hierarchy.)

Also, while I disagree with many of his plans, he seems capable of making decisions and I suspect we might survive even his diasterous turn at the wheel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.62.162 (talk) 20:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Beating around the bush with what's obvious
Hey! Did you know Obama was a black baby born to a white woman out of wedlock! TERRORIST!

It seems to me that Obama has some serious explaining to do.How does a Canidate raise 200 million dollars from 5,10,&20 dollar donations.I believe there is other ties in which he and his staff dont want to discuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.1.168.79 (talk) 01:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It's called the YOUTH VOTE and PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BULLSHIT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.175.146 (talk) 04:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh yeah, all that money's coming from Osama bin Laden. What, do you think he's just another black guy stealing money? McCain doesn't know how to run a campaign. You can't possibly tell me you're going to vote for a man that has countlessly said the fundamentals of our economy are strong and that he doesn't know much about economics. Oh yeah, for all you ladies out there in love with Sarah Palin, remember who it was who's voted against equal pay for equal work for decades now, thinks birth control should be considered under 'abortion' and of course a guy who thinks it would be hilarious to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" I'll be sure to tell Obama and all his negro friends to give back the money. They're all terrorists, ya know. God forbid if a black man becomes a powerful figure in America. That wouldn't settle well with Bubba in Alabama.

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I don't think she is right.--xgmx (T | C | D | R) 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

A sad comment from an even sadder mind ... but not unexpected from the likes of the general American electorate. --154.5.131.12 14:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)American Expatriate & Expatriot

Desperate much?
Sarah Palin digusts me. This is so low .... Barack was only 8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.162.187 (talk) 07:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I think American politics is more about sensationalism than American politics.

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C'mon guys...how did the "Republican party sinking to a new low" get approved/sighted when it's so obviously bias? I agree, but we have to stay neutral... Please be careful next time. --Poisonous (talk) 08:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


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Crowd in Derbyshire, UK, encourages teenager to commit suicide

October 5, 2008

It has recently been made public that on September 27, seventeen year old Shaun Dykes jumped off a multistory building following encouragement from the crowd. According to the BBC's Today programme, a variety of different people, including youths and middle aged citizens, were telling the teenager to jump.

Alasdair Kay, director of the Derby City Mission, saw the incident unfold. He expressed his shock and disgust at the incident. "People were filming… we could hear people shouting '[J]ump, you,'" she said. "They weren't all just young people, some were middle-aged. To be honest with you I was sickened."

Derbyshire's Chief Constable Mick Creedon, also yesterday commented on the indent. "The tragic death of Shaun Dykes at Derby on 27th September has attracted much comment and media speculation," he started. "The pain that Shaun's family and friends are suffering must be unimaginable and they have my deepest sympathy."

"The primary responsibility of the police is the protection of life, and the Derbyshire Constabulary will always have this responsibility at the forefront of our response to such tragic events as Shaun's death last Saturday," he continued. "We have very well trained and experienced staff, well practiced in dealing with such incidents and I have no doubt that the officers involved in talking to Shaun on Saturday did their best with the situation they were presented with."

"The fact that they were unsuccessful in negotiating Shaun to safety will have been very painful for them, particularly for the two officers who spent two hours talking directly to him. They have my sincere thanks for their efforts as, I'm sure, they have the thanks of the vast majority of those reading this."

Shaun Dykes, had been raised in a single parent family in a village near Derbyshire and he recently returned from a business course to study to become an accountant or a pilot.

Before his death, he was working part time in a local pub. Craig Doxey, his best friend, described Dykes. "He was always smiling and laughing about stuff. I think if it wasn't for the crowd, Shaun would have got down and got some help from all his mates, work colleagues and the police."

He went to Heanor Gate Science College, and he was openly gay. According to one of his friends from that school, Rebkha Minkley, "he always came in, in the morning with a smile on his face."

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=Should the people encouraging the teen to jump face prosecution?=

Disappointed
I am disappointed in how humans behave now. I thought at the sight of someone so full-grown and healthy about to jump would urge people to encourage the teen not to jump instead of the opposite. Even video cameras were raised, prepared to shoot the last minutes of that boy's life!

I am disappointed.

- Ryoma, Singapore

Should this sort of thing be illegal?
In my opinion, yes, and it sort of is in the US. And this is coming from a girl with anarchist leanings...the problem is, they were messing with someone else's life, it's not a matter of freedom or free speech. Period. While if someone wants to kill themselves, it's their choice, encouraging it is beyond cruel. I personally hope those who videotaped it and encouraged it have their names posted so they can be shunned--sounds harsh, but hey, they're practically murderers. Yes we wanted to kill himself but he could have come down and it was cruel nonetheless. I think people who live in the area and around those people should have the right to know who these people were--how would you like to find out the guy you're dating was one of these people? It's quite a show of human character... --Poisonous (talk) 09:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would liken it to the oft-cited limit of free speech which is shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

IMO
Those disgusting people should have a pole through their head. I also think the UK should deport them over here and I will personally smash their little skulls opens and use their purported brains as a football after which I will smash it into oblivion. kthxbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.179.226 (talk) 10:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

This was intolerance towards gay people
He was openly gay, so that would add understanding to the crowd's motives. They wanted one less gay person in the world. Period. But still, the method was wrong. Falls short of assisted suicide, murder at the worst. If someone, ANYONE, is about to jump the crowd needs to talk the jumper out of it: "Don't jump!" "You have so much to live for!" "We can work this out!" etc. Instead the crowd shouted "Jump!" It is an intolerant world. This is "merely" the latest form in which it manifests. In america they lynch gay people, now in brittain they coerse them to jump off a roof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.225.108 (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

How did the crowd know he was gay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.12.230.196 (talk) 06:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This had nothing to do with the fact he was gay! Did he have a big sign round his neck proclaiming he was gay? No!

I don't think so.
The situation is absolutely terrible, but I believe that the primary goal for the penal system should be deterrence, and punishing the crowd would not do anything to deter further crime. It is very unlikely that they will be faced with the same situation again. Also, I would not really say that they were the active agents in his death; they did not kill him, nor could we say that they actively assisted him. Rather, they encouraged him, and despite the terrible result, advice should not be a crime.

Two wrongs, I fear, don't make a right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.58.76 (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a sad day for mankind
Has mankind lost the moral teachings that have kept us united, alive, and powerful for 2.1 million years? This act of encouragement is a way of hating someone, of course that person may have no life or be a total dork/dweeb/nerd/lowlife(No, I am not saying that that person is, but merely stating that he may be), but that still does not give them the right to launch an emotional attack and show the suicide-commiter that everyone hates him. This has given everyone close to him an emotional attack, and encouraged them to commit suicide. They should be punished, but not through jail, but through hours of community service and physical therapy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EVil-Aer (talk • contribs) 16:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

It's in the air
I think this is a modern development of recent societal changes. Sad, but not unexpected. People have generally taken a dislike with what they perceive as "drama queen" and attention-mongering in general. Combined with the fact fact normal changes in the media and other areas make it so that "normal people" increasingly feel they can (and even should) change how things traditionally go makes this not all that unsurprising and even predictable, though no less tragic. Circeus (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

/b/rothers
so it was said back in rome, and so it shall be said today. "jump fag, jump!" it was also reported that as he fell he shouted "amidoinitrite guise?"

Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.92.21.37 (talk) 22:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, please show more respect to An Heros. Thank you. 204.52.215.14 17:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Shameful and Disgusting
Yes. They should most certainly face prosecution, if only for disturbing the peace, or its British equivalent. Gay male teens face the highest suicide rate of any demographic currently. This story simply disgusts me. I have no other words for it. Shameful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.152.51 (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

A sad ending, but...
I do not believe that the crowd of people urging him to die should face prosecution unless the family of the teenager wish to press charges against him. Perhaps it would be different if the police had been a little more assertive in dispersing the crowd and warned them to leave or be charged with disorderly conduct or breaching the peace... but I don't believe that was the case. Though words are powerful, the people in that crowd did not actually physically push him off that building, and so did not cause his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.76.152 (talk) 00:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Unbelievable
It is absolutely outrageous that such an unbelievably discriminatory event would have occurred in a respectful nation like Great Britain! The people who cheered him on most definitely should be charged by the law for assisted murder.

With so many people cheering him on, the boy had not choice but to jump. In another scenario, he might have changed his mind at the last minute. What has mankind gone to? --Haha169 (talk) 05:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

ISLAM is totally against of any type of suicide!! either if it's done by teenagers or by anyone!!!
Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) once said "Allah says: "I had given that person (suicider) a spesified period of life, but he oversided my deision, now he will ever be doing this suicide for the whole of his life."" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.209.115.132 (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It hardly matters. In enlightened Islamic countries like Iran they would have long since strung him up for being a homosexual. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See? more proof Al Qaeda is un-Islamic. 204.52.215.14 17:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Controversial suggestion
Do I think the people who encouraged it should be prosecuted? Yes. Does it set a slippery precedent for what constitutes murder? Yes. If such a law were created, it should be clearly defined. I am all for freedom of speech, but this goes beyond, because there was a malicious intent to harm another. On the other hand, I believe in assisted suicides in cases of terminal illness or extreme pain or loss of quality of life. If you can define a law that makes encouraging the type of suicide described by this article illegal, while also legalizing assisted suicides for health reasons, I would support that. Raphael s (talk) 20:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt you could in any way class it as 'murder', but there is probably something already on the statute books (eg. breach of the peace) that would have allowed the disruptive element in the crowd to be charged. What they were doing was harassing someone who was obviously mentally disturbed; its sick, and makes them no better than the crowds that turned up to medieval hangings with a basket full of rotten fruit. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

oh come on...
How many times did our mothers say "If someone asked you to jump of a bridge, would you?" The guy made his choice. If he wasn't a moron, he wouldn't have let anyone influence his opinion. Much less a bunch of random people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.200.27.249 (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If the people weren't a bunch of "morons" as you so plainly put, they wouldn't have been as easily influenced by their own predisposition of the situation.--Nukedoom (talk) 23:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Is it assisted suicide?
Could you class this as assisted suicide (they are encouraging, therefore assisting him)? 212.219.190.178 09:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, the closest this could be to assisted is if someone in the crowd had carried him to the top of the building. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Same old excuses and spin.
The top Derby cop makes the excuse about there not being enough officers to sort the crowd out. I am not an expert on policing so it baffles me how a police force can find enough trained officers to control crowds of between 27 and 33 thousand at Pride Park every other Saturday yet not find any to sort out a smaller crowd on a Saturday afternoon when the city's only major professional football team are playing away (as they were on the Saturday of the incident). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnie1971 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Manslaughter
I think there is enough on the statutes for the group to be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I don't have enough facts about the incident to objectively determine an intent to kill the victim but his death appears to have been caused through recklessness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnie1971 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

These people should be thoroughly ashamed. Their cruel and thoughless actions are vile and sickening. Our society is going down the pan, so it seems. If I could prosecute them I would. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.205.105 (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Shaun & Dylan -- remembered at Suicide Baiting Prevention
Suicide baiting -- the malicious encouragement of suicide -- is a socio-physchological phenomenon first researched in the 1960s by psychologist Dr. Leon Mann, who published his findings in 1981. In a suicide baiting, onlookers provoke an ambivalent victim poised at a dangerous height to jump to his death as entertainment.

A Facebook page -- Suicide Baiting Prevention -- was created in remembrance of victims Shaun Dykes and Dylan Yount who died this way. Our goals are to raise awareness about suicide baiting and to lobby for better police training in their interactions with the suicidal. SBP serves as a resource for research and documented world suicide baiting incidents (see our Notes, arranged by decades).

We are also dedicated to criminalizing suicide baiting and firmly believe the court system must become involved if we are to be successful in eradicating the barbarity.

For this reason, a lawsuit is pending, regarding the public suicide baiting death of Dylan Yount on 2-16-10 at the Forever 21 building in Hallide Plaza, San Francisco, witnessed by 1,000 people and 24 San Francisco police department officers who did nothing to stop it.

In California suicide baiting is illegal but has never been challenged in court. Anyone who "encourages, advises, or assists" in another's suicide is guilty of a felony (CA Penal Code 401). The lawsuit "Yount v. City and County of San Francisco Et Al" has so far been dismissed by both the state and federal courts in California, but is currently filed (as of Sept. 2014) in the First District Court of Appeals, San Francisco. We are hopeful that the case will be remanded back down to a lower court for a jury trial.

Twenty-six published columns regarding suicide baiting (cyber time and real time) are available at iPinion Syndicate under "suicide baiting."

The evil exploitation of the most vulnerable in a suicide baiting is unconscionable. We welcome all dialogue and support at Suicide Baiting Prevention at https://www.facebook.com/SuicideBaitingCrowdPrevention?ref=ts

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itz really heartbreaking 4 da parentz of those children who have lost their lives!!!!!!!

itz really heartbreaking 4 da parentz of those children who have lost their lives!!!!!!!


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Even PBS and NPR?
I have to say, it REALLY pisses me off that my money is being used to pay to media sources that practice exclusionary policies at the benefit of the two party duopoly. I like PBS and all (not so much NPR), but this is one of the main factors of our political problems, and they are only making it worse.

Ralph Ron Vets United
Obama McCain Left and rights of passage Black and whites of youth Who can face the knowledge that the truth is not the truth? Obsolete Absolute

Nader Paul Cruising under your radar Watching from the satellites Take a page from the red book and keep them in your sights Red alert Red alert

USN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.83.194 (talk) 05:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

NADER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.21.234.12 (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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This is a good page, but just stop and think to your self....do you like it? —204.234.197.253 (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


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Comments:Despite passage of bailout bill, two US states may need loans

Like pigs to the troff.. They have a point though, if you bail out one institution why not another? States employ many people, are they less important than corporations?

What kind of system is this??
What kind of system is this? When things are getting along pretty well, it preaches against the Evil State, saying that the State shouldn't intervene on the economy and harm the low and middle class, with huge tax-breaks to the wealthy? And then, when things get sour, turns to the Evil State for help, needing loans from the low and middle class citizens they harmed?

What kind of system is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.166.31 (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

No surprise
No surprise that Massachusetts and California need loans. Fephisto (talk) 11:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

i like that its our two most liberal states who are biting off more sunshine and social programs than they can chew. but i mean we can do it for financial institutions why not them. i would ask hollywood for the cash but i guess theyre really going to need that extra 48 mil pretty bad next year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.150.216 (talk) 16:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


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Soldier dies as military helicopters collide in Iraq

October 5, 2008 An Iraqi soldier has died after two United States UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters collided and crashed while they attempted to land at an air base in Baghdad.

Two more Iraqis and two US soldiers were wounded. No civilians were injured as the crash occurred over the air base itself, not the densely populated suburb the aircraft had been flying over before.

The crash occurred at 9 p.m. in Azamiyah and is being treated as an accident. An investigation is underway.

There is some dispute over the official version of events. A freelance cameraman who works for the BBC and Reuters said he heard an unusual noise from a single helicopter's engine and describes it crashing with flames and smoke pouring from the engine, and local police say a helicopter was downed by enemy fire.

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Note, added BBC source suggests there is some dispute over whether or not is an accident. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 * it should only say "Iraqi Soldier dies as military helicopters collide in Iraq". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 22:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


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Thai PAD protest leader arrested while voting

October 5, 2008 Police in Thailand have announced the arrest of Chamlong Srimuang, a retired general and former Bangkok mayor who is one of the leaders of protests against the current government. Chamlong and other protesters who have occupied government buildings for several months accuse the incumbent government of acting as proxy for deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Chamlong is the second of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD - Thai: พันธมิตรประชาชนเพื่อประชาธิปไตย) protest leaders to be arrested; Chaiwat Sinuwong was arrested on Friday as he left the occupied prime minister's compound. Former mayor, Chamlong had today left the security of the protest site to vote in the city's elections.

Protests have been ongoing, led to a September, 2006 military coup, and have centred around corruption allegations initially championed by Sondhi Limthongkul against Thaksin Shinawatra who the coup deposed and left in exile for in excess of a year. Following the dissolution of Thaksin's Thai Rak Thai party, and an October, 2006 election, the protesters have focused on removing what they perceive as Thaksin's ongoing influence on the country's government. In June then-PM Samak Sundaravej and his cabinet narrowly survived a no-confidence vote. Last month saw him replaced with the incumbent, Somchai Wongsawat following a court decision. Somchai was appointed as the result of a parliamentary vote, protesters are particularly incensed at this as he is former PM Thaksin's brother-in-law.

Charges of insurrection, illegal assembly, and inciting unrest have been brought against nine of the protest leaders, including Chamlong; police have vowed to arrest all the protest leaders although there are no plans to employ force to carry this out. The charge of insurrection in Thailand is the equivalent of treason, the sentence can be life imprisonment or even the death penalty.

Government proposals for the deputy prime minister, Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, to negotiate with the PAD have been scuppered by the two arrests. According to the Thai News Agency, the leaders of the PAD state that the negotiations are unlikely to take place now. The arrests were described as indicating the government was not sincere and the PAD will "not hold talks with irresponsible people".

The outstanding arrest warrants are for the PAD founder, Sondhi, the group's leaders and spokesman, Somsak Kosaisuk, Pibhop Dhongchai and Suriyasai Katasila, MP Somkiat Pongpaibul, and protest organisers Therdpoom Chaidee and Amorn Amornrattannond. An appeals court challenge against the arrest warrants is pending and a decision is expected Monday; if the warrants are revoked, it is expected that the Royal Thai Police will instigate a judicial process to contest this.


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Zimbabwean unity talks fail

October 5, 2008 Talks between Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe and Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai have failed to reach an agreement on who will be in the unity cabinet.

A power sharing deal was signed approximately three weeks ago, as a way to resolve a crisis that has been ongoing since the elections over three months ago.

Nelson Chamisa, a spokesperson for Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) expressed grave concern over failure to reach a deal. He described it as "a threat to people's lives".

"People are dying," Chamisa said. "The humanitarian response has to be activated and you need a functional government to do that."

Thabo Mbeki, formerly the president of South Africa has said that he will continue to help secure an agreement between the politicians by mediating the discussion.

In the deal signed three weeks ago it was agreed that Tsvangirai is now the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe, acting as the head of the council of ministers. It was also agreed that Mugabe remains the president of Zimbabwe, meaning that he is still the chair of the cabinet.

The proposed cabinet contains sixteen seats from the MDC, while Mugabe's Zanu-PF has fifteen seats. The MDC also controls the police while Zanu-PF controls the armed forces.

The agreement also requires press freedom in Zimbabwe.

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Peer Review
--Brian McNeil / talk 14:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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My user page in Catalan-Valencian

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Your recent edits
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User talk:Pi zero

I watch talk pages where I have recently left messages. Please reply in the same section to make discussion easier to follow.

If you leave a message on this page, I'll reply to it here.

Huh?
What the heck is a 'Committed identity'? I saw it on a new contributor's User page. --Bddpaux (talk) 17:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which user page? --Pi zero (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * a commitment id is a "". Think of a passphrase, like "this is going to be my wiki commitment ID BUSHSCD".  A  takes in this string, and produces something like: "161130f5ebb96faad490bfcd2a13925026e8d4ae84c94ac832be55be6891b00751da78e0e9eb0a70cbc0924f4154a523747843d1c1f77e9ed259747ae14da722".  (generated using SHA-512)  Now, you display this string on your userpage.  The way these hashes work is, it is easy to compute what is SHA of "foo bar baz", but there is no easy way to reverse this process.  If your account is compromised tomorrow, you can inform Wikimedia, this is the phrase I used for my commitment id -- it can be verified in seconds, and Wikimedia can lock the accoutn and somehow reach out to you to grant back the access. •–•  17:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Paywalled sources
I like the idea of not allowing paywalled sources, but with some caveats:

There are topics, for example business news, that will suffer as a result because publications such as the wsj FT etc are almost all paywalled, leaving only fringe sources available. Then there are publications that are normally paywalled, but due to certain circumstaces (recent example was covid-related articles at the start of the Pandemic) are exempted. Then there are also publications that are rife with viruses and other undesirable fauna. It would be nice if WN does not chart its own course on this complicated issue but cooperate with other wmf-sites.

I wish all wmf-wikis would stop usng paywalled news sites: if they all do, it may put enough pressure on news organizations to allow better access to their publications. After all they are getting a free service, advertsing usually costs them an arm and a leg. I believe they have not done a proper analysis and do not recognize the financial damage their policies are creating for their own business. They are sending their customers to look for other sources and when they wake up it may be too late

Sorry for monopolizing your user page for this issue, but I am loath to leave any messages on pages that are doomed for deletion, sorry for being selfish. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I quite understand about wanting to put comments on a page that's gonna last. Yeah, I too like the no-pay-to-read policy. I figure, we don't want to to use limited-access sources when we can avoid it (though there are some situations in original reporting where limited access is required — embargoed materials, privacy of sources), and presumably nobody should have to pay to participate in an open wiki.  As for a source that chooses to paywall, I have some sympathy for them; it's hard to operate a commercial news outlet these days, they're going out of business left and right, and if they choose to go the pay-to-read route, good luck to them — but good reason for us not to get tangled up in their affairs.  If we used such a source, on one hand it might create an incentive for someone to subscribe (so they can check our article against the source), and on the other hand it might remove some incentive for someone to subscribe (if they can get the information here for free), and either way, we should stay clear of it. I suspect you may have more faith than I do in doing a 'proper analysis'; seems to me such things prove whatever the people calling for the analyses want them to. --Pi zero (talk) 04:33, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

IRC?
Hi, I noticed you aren't on the channel. I would assume you are not on desktop, and are using your laptop. If you are on your laptop, either you can install hexchat, but if you want a quick connect, go to , click on add a network. Put "chat.freenode.net" in server, fill in a nickname (if you use a registered nick, you need to enter the IRC nickserv password in the password field). Click on connect to network, and once it connects you, type "/j #channel" to join a channel. •–• 03:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * PING? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Acagastya (talk • contribs) 02:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Pong. --Pi zero (talk) 03:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah......I don't really fool around with IRC much. --Bddpaux (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Both pi and I use IRC daily. In this case, pi could not use his computer, which needed to be fixed; so I asked him to use IRC from a different computer, so we could talk and fix his computer. •–•  02:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Brian??
So: I heard tell that Brian McNeil passed away. Is that pretty much confirmed? He's been absent from these parts for a very long time now.--Bddpaux (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * We were never able to locate a death notice, let alone an obituary, but we're quite confident of it by now. Apparently one of us had communicated with him earlier on the day he died, and there was no sign of any such immediate problem at that time.  The quote from him on my user talk page —"Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news"— now has a strangely altered feel to me. --Pi zero (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well.....my goodness. RIP, Mr. McNeil of Scotland......I never knew you well.....but you were a big part of this endeavor for some time. --Bddpaux (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Long time no edit, but I saw this and did a little research through Facebook. It seems that Brian died early July last year, very suddenly. I had the great pleasure of meeting him some 10-15 years ago. Very sad indeed. He was fundamental to the development of Wikinews into what it is today. -- Sken   my talk 01:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * User talk:Brian McNeil --Pi zero (talk) 02:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Zara Kay???
Any fresh thoughts about that article? I'd love to take some formal action re: publication, but I'm a bit befuddled given the passage of time. Please look at contributor's talk page for my request/prompts. Just not sure what is the most prudent action at this juncture. --Bddpaux (talk) 17:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I figure, in its current form it is not publishable; it's actually gone stale, which is hard for an interview to do but not impossible. Historically it's mainly my fault that happened, because in the time after the interview actually took place I persistently failed to get to it fast enough; but, regardless of how we got here, here we are.  Iirc, ac wanted me to go through, verify/proofread/copyedit the interview, and compile a list of the obstacles to freshness, which is why it's on the review queue; but meanwhile there are two other interviews in danger of going stale if I don't get to them, and I'm having trouble getting to them.  (And then, about a week ago, I had a catastrophic failure of my laptop, which I've spend almost 100% of my time for the past week trying to recover from.  Yeah, sob story; sorry to vent my frustration.  But... pardon my while I let out a primal scream.  <primalscream>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!</primalscream>) --Pi zero (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm looking for a tutor to publish this Wikinoticia en Spanish into Wikinews in English, could you check this: 12 Regards. Marinna (talk) 16:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The original interview was done by me.. I did the translated in my sandbox (Taller) to this Wikinews project, I want to improve and know the guidelines of this version in English. Marinna (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this information or rules are in translations of original reports of this project in English? the translation in progress is mine, and the original interview was done by social network. The rules are very different in other languages that I work. How do I improve or who improves this work in another language to be published? Marinna (talk) 17:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Even if it is a translation between projects? The work contains private data of the interviewee, which is unethical to make public. So the translation between projects is not possible, in this language is this correct? Marinna (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It is published as an original interview with a source. In that case, it will not be possible for me to reveal information about my interviewees or myself.
 * It is not possible to work on a translation between wn projects in English. Thanks for your time. Marinna (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Pi, I think you may have unintentionally over-complicated the situation, confusing Mariinna. I recommed asking one question at a time, and really keeping it simple, so we avoid talking past each other. •–• 18:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all you've done
I would like to dedicate this section of the now-deceased Pi zero's talk page as a memorial to him. Here, you can leave your condolences and you may wish to add a message if you want to. I will monitor this section daily, so make sure you don't leave anything bad here or I will have it reported to the correct source. Thank you very much. TheFurreterPress (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

You were an amazing contributor: thank you for everything. Rubbish computer (Talk': Contribs'') 08:46, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I already miss you, long live your legacy. JackPotte (talk) 10:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Came here as soon as I learned of your passing. In addition to your immeasurable contributions to this project, you were a wonderfully wise and patient person. Farewell, you will be remembered. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I only learned today... You were a true believer in this project and that always impressed me. I was not a believer and you knew that. We edited some of the same articles on Wikipedia in the time before 2010 so it didn't matter. I helped you out a couple of times with some technical things... I'm sad that we lost another believer in our projects. thank you TheDJ (talk) 10:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

A great loss for this wiki. My condolences for John’s family. Incnis Mrsi (talk, Russian Wikinews) 10:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Update password
I know once you remarked how you had never seen a password reset option which didn't ask for re-confirmation; and while browsing through dribbble, I noticed, they do not ask it either. There might have been a good reason to ask twice -- back in the terminal days -- and I am sure you would have made a compelling argument had you been alive now. But given the state of the internet and its users, it is hard for me to justify reconfirmation that is helpful for mass. I will tweak it, if 'newsies ask for it. But well, we aren't the only ones. Gosh, I wish I had discussed this while you were here. •–• 05:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would have suggested some sort of philosophy behind SSH -- but non-free software always comes beween. I am tempted to say, "I wish we had discussed that, when we had time", but I know, what you would have said -- . •–•  06:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Farewell
I joined the IRC chat, as I usually did every once in a while, just to say hello. For the first time, you weren't there. I thought it was unusual, so I learned about this very sad news. I thought of you as a gentle human being. Thanks for being around and for those talks we could hold just about whatever. How's Pichilemu? It's good. Hope you're good too, wherever you are. --Diego.

Writing style
Now that I needed better documentation tool, I decided to use emacs' org-mode and now, the various ways you typed makes sense. I wonder what all would I find, in the chat logs when I look it up, I look forward to that, and discovering the tone I might have missed! Thanks for these sad happy moments, pi. •–• 08:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for all you did. And continue to do, through the multitudes of edit summaries, review comments, and other comments you wrote over the years, which have been invaluable to me, especially since I became a reviewer without deep understanding of how to review. I only regret I abruptly left for a while after submitting my first article — which sucked, I'm sure — three years ago yesterday, and for some reason did not return until June 2021, and not really until August, when I soon learned the reason I didn't see you anywhere on RC. Your efforts, really, are the reason English Wikinews still existed when I joined Wikimedia in 2020. Without them, it probably would have been dead several years ago, and even if it didn't, it would never have developed the quality it has today. Thank you again, Heavy Water (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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Fannie Mae forgives mortgage debt of 90-year-old woman who shot herself

October 5, 2008 Fannie Mae, a housing mortgage lender, has forgiven the mortgage debt of Addie Polk, a 90-year-old woman from Akron, Ohio who attempted to kill herself when she was being evicted from her home on Wednesday.

Polk had lived in her home since 1970, and refinanced her mortgage numerous times since 1997 when she first got a loan taken out against her home. When authorities tried to evict her, she shot herself once in the chest. Fannie Mae took over Polk's home in 2007 after the loan company filed for foreclosure. One report from Reuters states that authorities tried to evict Polk more than 30 other times in the past.

"Just given the circumstances, we think it's appropriate," said Brian Faith, a spokesman for Fannie Mae who also said that the incident was almost immediately "on [their] radar screen".

Polk is currently undergoing treatment at Akron General Medical Center and is expected to make a full recovery. She can return to her home as soon as she recovers from her injuries.

Polk was recognized on Friday when Dennis Kucinich, who is a democratic representative for Ohio, spoke of her incident during debates on a 700 billion USD bailout bill that the United States House of Representatives passed on Friday. He states that the bill does not focus on people in situations like Polk.

"This bill does nothing for the Addie Polks of the world. This bill fails to address the fact that millions of homeowners are facing foreclosure, are facing the loss of their home. This bill will take care of Wall Street, and the market may go up for a few days, but democracy is going downhill," said Kucinich on Friday.


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Not surprise.--66.229.17.181 18:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I should've seen this coming. Fephisto (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The thing that amazes me about these men is that they have no regard at all for their own people- I just cannot understand the level of fighting in this country and the genocide of innocents as a result- and they have resources that they could live in harmony!!! Do they like killing their own so they can keep alot of money??? They should be reminded that they "cant take it with them when they die". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.90.89 (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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Copycats
They forgave her debt? Yeah, THAT isn't going to encourage people facing foreclosure to attempt (near-)suicide. "Gee. It worked for her, so I might as well give it a try!" Gopher65talk 19:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I was going to point out. --  Zanimum (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't pay? Won't pay? Shoot! ... yourself! --Brian McNeil / talk 18:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

why did you kill her —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.176.117.13 (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Great precedent
Great precedent set there, Fann. Try to kill yourself and get your loan forgiven. 204.116.19.240 16:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

the woman was living beyond her means and signed a contract she should have looked for a better job the first time they tried to evict her attempting suicide should not be an automatic approval for bankruptcy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.150.216 (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)