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driving down attendance
Obviously this is going to cause a small panic. I predict that people are going to take their children out of school the next day and for at least a few days, out of fear their school will also collapse. The government is going to have to reassure the public, either by inspections or renovations.

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Iraq helicopter crash kills two
On Saturday, 2 US soldiers were killed when their OH-58 Kiowa Warrior helicopter crash landed when it hit overhead cables while attempting to land in Mosul. This is one of a number of aviation crashes that have happened in Iraq in recent months.

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66 people killed in Burkina Faso collision
At least 66 people are dead after a bus and truck collided with one another on Saturday in the western African country of Burkina Faso. 66 people were reported dead by officials; 30 further victims were being treated in hospital on Saturday.

The bus is reported to have been bound for Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), when the collision occurred near the city of Boromo. Many of the bodies were badly burned.

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Alaskan Democrat gains in US Senate race
After Friday's counts, Democratic Party candidate Mark Begich increased his small lead over his Republican rival for the US Senate, Ted Stevens, to 1,022 votes. The final counts are scheduled for today. Around 24,000 Alaskan votes remain to be counted from the November 4 election. The State Division of Elections said that it postponed counting of some votes in order to verify questioned and absentee ballots. Three weeks ago, incumbent Stevens was found guilty of failing to disclose gifts, and so could be the first convicted felon elected to the Senate.

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 * "Three US Senate seats still undecided". Wikinews, November 12, 2008

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I have reviewed India's moon craft reaches final lunar orbit. It passes for newsworthiness, NPOV, style, copyright and verifiablility. It is getting stale very quickly (as the MIP will be dropped soon) so it would be nice to get Shorts finished and published soon, if you have a story to offer.

I can't review "Alaskan Democrat takes slight lead in US Senate race" as I wrote it.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 05:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Why did you move right-facing photos over to the right of the text? The politician and the helicopter now face away from the text. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a rule, but if you look at other Wikinews Shorts, you will see that in nearly all of them the pictures run down the right-hand side. Cheers, --SVTCobra 10:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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I have reviewed India's moon craft reaches final lunar orbit. It passes for newsworthiness, NPOV, style, copyright and verifiablility. It is getting stale very quickly (as the MIP will be dropped soon) so it would be nice to get Shorts finished and published soon, if you have a story to offer.

I can't review "Alaskan Democrat takes slight lead in US Senate race" as I wrote it.

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India's flag lands on Moon

November 15, 2008 At 8:34 pm Indian time Friday night (1504 UTC), India became the fourth country to land its flag on the Moon. The unmanned lunar orbiter Chandrayaan-1 ejected its Moon Impact Probe (MIP), which hurtled across the surface of the Moon at 1.5 kilometres per second (3000 miles per hour), and successfully crash landed near the Moon's south pole. Besides carrying three important scientific instruments, the lunar probe also carried the image of the Indian national flag, painted on all sides. Chandrayaan-1 (meaning 'Moon craft' in Sanskrit) reached its target lunar orbit on Wednesday. The orbiter will remain in a circular orbit 102 kilometres above the Moon's surface for two years. Its instruments will be gradually commissioned over the next few days.

With this landing, India became both the fourth country to place a flag on the Moon and the fifth group to send a spacecraft to the Moon. The other countries which have sent spacecraft to the Moon are the United States, the former Soviet Union, Japan, and China, along with the European Space Agency (ESA), a consortium of 17 countries. Japan and China currently each have scientific satellites orbiting the Moon, though China has not yet put a spacecraft on the moon's surface.

The MIP has a mass of 29 kg, is about the size of a microwave oven, and was designed and assembled in India. After the orbiter ejected it, the probe took about 25 minutes to reach the Moon's surface. On-board digital cameras made a high resolution movie of the surface during descent, and scientists also conducted measurements with the probe's mass spectrometer and radar altimeter. Data was beamed back to India via the orbiter, and it is currently being processed and analysed. Data from the altimeter experiments will be used to refine the instrument in order to control the soft landing of a future probe. Plans are already being prepared for the Chandrayaan-2 to be launched by 2012.

India's first lunar mission was launched from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre on the Andhra Pradesh coast on October 22. The launch vehicle was an Indian designed and built rocket that had been previously proven by carrying scientific and commercial payloads to earth orbit, including weather and communications satellites. The cost of this mission is estimated at 340 crore (3.4 billion) rupees (US$78 million). The mission carries five scientific instruments built by India's technology sector, and six developed cooperatively with foreign nations.

Goals for the orbiter include making a detailed map of the Moon's chemical make-up and mineral resources, as well as a three-dimensional digital map of the entire surface. The mission will examine the surface for sources of water, and take comparison photos of the light side and dark sides of the surface.

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I think the copied tagged must be remove, because it seems to copied from our own previous articles, which is definately property of wikinews, as created by wikinewsers, like me and you. Isn't it so? Azamishaque (talk) 08:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't worry: it certainly is copied from our/your own previous articles, and it is all part of the commons.  When I mentioned copy edit in the tag, I only meant to tidy it up and make it flow properly in the new story.  --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Please set your spell checker to Indian English or British English. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It is difficult to know when the probe will be released. Times of India says 8pm IST (just over 1 hour from now) but The Indian Express says 10pm (3 hours). The probe will fall for 20 minutes until impact, and though I think it will take a few more minutes for the orbiter to transmit a confirmation back, once the probe is ejected, the only way is down!

Either way, I have to go off line now, and probably won't be able to do any work on the article by that time. Good luck!

--InfantGorilla (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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If we have 2 or 3 wikinewsies on line when the impact is announced, this may be a race with other news outlets (just for fun.) If you haven't added to the article, you could plan to review it. It would be give us a head start if you could proof read it a few minutes early, so that you can respond quickly with a peer review when we add the review tag,

Sadly, I cannot predict if I will be on line at the relevant time to add the review tag or make last minute changes.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 10:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nitpicking here, but ESA is not a country. The opening paragraph says fourth country. --SVTCobra 20:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

 * True. We used that phrasing in an earlier article (it is inspired by some of the sources) and I can't think of a better way of putting it.  There, must, however, be a better way. --InfantGorilla (talk) 21:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

This ranking of first landings has some minor difficulties. Judging by the research Wikipedians have done, these claims of 4th group/country seem to depend on a distinction between a hard landing (intact versus a crash landing) and whether the vehicle carried a flag.

 * 1959 Soviet Union - hard landing (subsequent soft landings and flags)
 * 1964 USA - crash landing (subsequent soft landings and flags)
 * 1990 Japan - Hagoromo - outcome unknown
 * 1993 Japan - Hiten - deliberate crash landing - how badly damaged? was there a flag?
 * 2006 ESA - SMART 1 - deliberate crash landing - how badly damaged? was there a flag, or 17 flags?
 * 2008 India - MIP - deliberate hard landing - flag

It is unclear to me so far how badly damaged India's MIP was by the landing. The term 'crash landing' was often used (perhaps conservatively) by ISRO sources, even though the intent was that the MIP would continue to transmit data to the orbiter for a few hours after landing. The claim of 4th flag seems to originate from India, or the ISRO itself.

Attracting a dispute to the article would take away from the importance of the event, which really does not depend on whether India is 3rd 4th or 5th flag. Should we delete it altogether, at least until there is a ranking that is verifiable and somewhat independent of India?

Being the fifth country (sixth space agency) to orbit the moon is uncontroversial.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 08:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for pointing out your grumble (and for the positive review!) I will try to remember it next time.

We were too slow writing this to race anyone. (I wasn't on line to write compile it so that's how it goes.) Wikipedia beat us by many hours!

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Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

Last Updated: November 16, 2008

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In keeping with having a mix of questions I've tried to avoid loading the few questions I've put up so far. We have: We also have The questions are taken from the first three days since the last quiz was posted. Please avoid the above categories when adding additional questions. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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Q4 is another U.S. question, but adds Politics and conflicts. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Q5 is Germany and Health. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Eurozone now officially in recession

November 14, 2008 The Eurozone is now officially in a recession, due to the recently released figures showing that, in the third quarter of 2008, the economy shrunk by 0.2%.

For a recession to be official, the economy must have shrunk for at least two consecutive quarters. This is the case as the Eurozone's economy, which also shrunk by 0.2% in the second quarter of this year.

Howard Archer, the chief European economist for Global Insight commented on these results. "Not only did the third quarter contraction in GDP confirm that the Eurozone is now in recession, but latest data and survey evidence indicate that the fourth quarter is likely to see a sharper fall in GDP as the financial crisis bites harder," he stated.

This development comes after two large countries in the Eurozone, Germany and Italy announced that they were in a recession.

Gilles Moec a senior economist at the Bank of America also commented on the results."Looking ahead, we can expect further quarters of negative GDP growth, until the third quarter of 2009, simply because so far we have not had in the GDP figures the full impact of the credit market crisis," he said.

Despite the economy shrinking according to quarter-on-quarter results, year-on-year results for the third quarter of 2008 still show a small growth in the economy, although the growth is less then 0.1%.

The fifteen members of the Eurozone are France, the Republic of Ireland, Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Austria, Finland, Slovenia, Malta, Luxembourg, Spain, Greece and Cyprus.

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Nokia scales back prediction for global mobile phone sales

November 14, 2008

Mobile telephone company Nokia, the world's largest manufacturer of mobile telephones, based in Finland, has today lowered its forecasts for the number of mobile handsets to be sold in 2008 by 1.5%, due to the current economic crisis.

It lowered its forecast for the total number of mobile phones to be sold in 2008 to 1.24 billion, down from 1.26 billion. Nokia also stated that it's "preliminary estimate is that the industry mobile device volumes will be down in 2009 compared to 2008, impacted by the continuing overall economic slowdown."

"In the last few weeks, the global economic slowdown, combined with unprecedented currency volatility, has resulted in a sharp pull back in global consumer spending," stated Nokia, explaining it's reasons behind it's move. "The weaker consumer spending has impacted many industries, including the global mobile device market. The mobile device market has also been negatively impacted by the more limited availability of credit, which has limited the purchasing ability of some of our trade customers."

Nokia's share price has fallen on the announcement of this news. The company opened today trading at US$12.43. It has since fallen to a low of $12.22, although it has now recovered.

The company plans to reveal more details on its 2009 forecasts at its "Capital Markets Day" in New York on December 4.


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Turbulence likely cause of Mexico jet crash that killed ministers

November 15, 2008 Wake turbulence from a larger aircraft is believed to be the cause of a crash of a Mexican government Learjet 45 into rush-hour traffic in Mexico City earlier this month. All nine on board, including Interior Minister Juan Camilo Mourino, and five on the ground were killed.

As well as Mourino, anti-drug advisor Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos died in the wreck, leading to speculation of murder. There have been rumours the jet may have been sabotaged or bombed, but both of these have been ruled out, as have mechanical failure.

To try to prevent conspiracy theories, there has been unusual openness to the press over the accident. The investigation is being led by Mexico, who have been joined by teams from Britain and the United States.

Instead, the readout from the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) coupled with the knowledge that the aircraft had come in too close behind another suggest the likely cause to be an encounter with wake turbulence - dangerously unstable air left behind by an aircraft as it passes through an area. The Learjet came within 4.15 nautical miles of a Boeing 767-300 on the same approach towards Mexico City International Airport, whereas for safety there should have been around 5 nautical miles of separation between the two.

It has also been revealed that air traffic control instructed the accident aircraft's flight crew to slow down to keep back from the airliner, but that this had not happened. The pilots may have lacked adequate training, as they are reported to have experienced difficulties and unfamiliarity with the plane's controls. The CVR transcript reveals that the pilots were aware they had hit severe turbulence immediately prior to the crash.

"Wow, check out this turbulence!" pilot Martin Oliva exclaimed to co-pilot Alvaro Sanchez. Apparently panic-stricken, he then asks "Alvaro, what should we do, Alvaro?" and is told "Give it [control of the aircraft] to me, give it to me, give it to me!" Sanchez then says simply "God."

It was to be his last word. The plane became uncontrollable and crashed down at a forty-two degree angle, killing all on board.

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So this is not because he tried to betray the King of Saudi to the Harkonnens, eh? ______________________

This is fucked up. ______________________ I lol'd. -:matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.107.176 (talk) 01:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Disgraceful, silly billy Arabs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wullamudulla (talk • contribs) 01:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

So a arab nation with a poor human rights record is complaining to a other arab nation with poor human rights record --66.229.21.217 03:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Medical treatment in Saudi Arabia
How many doctors will line up to serve the royal family in KSA? Sure, the money is sweet, but hey, 70 lashes a week, ten a day, don't think so! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.126.80.106 (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Princess may want to join MindFreedom or start a local chapter in Egypt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajovitsky (talk • contribs) 20:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

1,500 lashes? Wow, that's pretty excessive. And let me get this straight. He appeals the original sentence, and gets a stiffer one? Something big time wrong with that, in my opinion. Best of luck to the doc.96.237.63.234 21:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

that is fuck up in arab nation fuck the so called arab minister of justice.

soon lacking medical personnel in Saudi Arabia
Well, with such practice the Saudi Arabia shall soon run-off of the (not only) medical staff.

Who would dare in such conditions to come to work there; indeed - not speaking about not qualified workforce?

Iam more and more convinced that the saudies are primitive bedouins. Arild Gjeldnes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.8.70.3 (talk) 11:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

That's realy awful...it's like makes u laugh until u cry!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.188.33 (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

anyone know how the saudis lash?he will be dead before he reach the quarter
Anyone know how the saudis lash?He will be dead before he reach the quarter I hear in Saudi 100 lashes nearly can kill a man, this is a slow execution ... all this cuz he gave the princess pain killers?Egypt is the largest middle east country in producing Doctors and engineers, nearly all the doctors and engineers in Saudi are egyptians, this is very disgraceful


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Sun Microsystems cuts 6,000 jobs

November 15, 2008

California based Sun Microsystems yesterday announced that it was shedding 6,000 jobs, in a move that Jonathan Schwartz, CEO of Sun, said was designed to "align Sun's business with global economic realities."

The move will shrink Sun's workforce by 15-18%, according to a press release published by the company.

Sun have also stated that US$ 700 to $800 million dollars per year should be saved by the move, which will cost $500 to $600 million to implement over the next twelve months.

Rick Hanna, an equity analyst for Morningstar Inc, commented on the move. "They still have strong cash on the balance sheet, and they're still generating free cash flow, so they're not dead yet, but the patient is definitely on the respirator," he said.. "I can't imagine for a second the board would be satisfied with Sun's current performance. . . . What's happening with Sun at this point is figuring out how to maximize what's left."

Sun also announced yesterday that it will "accelerate our delivery of key open source platform innovations."

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Scotland's First Minister does comedy sketch for charity

November 15, 2008 In a reprise of the dour Presbyterian Minister character the Reverend I.M. Jolly, created by the late comedian Rikki Fulton, Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, took part in the BBC's annual charity appeal for Children in Need.

Last year the BBC's appeal raised approximately £37 million, and by 11pm last night the total raised had exceeded £10 million. The BBC hopes to break last year's telethon total and final figures will not be available for some time.

The three minute skit was part of BBC Scotland's presentation of the charity appeal and was met with laughter from the Glasgow studio audience when the pre-recorded message was broadcast. The I.M. Jolly character was well-known in Scotland from having a spot on the Hogmanay (New Year's eve) schedule; in keeping with Fulton's terminally depressed character Salmond opened with the catchprase, "Hullo. It's been a helluva year".

The sketch gave Salmond an opportunity to be self-deprecating as well as poke fun at his predecessor in the office of First Minister, Jack McConnell, "I would like to pay tribute to the previous incumbent of the first ministership, the Right Reverend Jack McConnell. And I would also like to thank him for the present of fish he left me in Bute House ...under the floorboards." As a further jab at McDonald he joked that he and his wife "had a great time too, replacing all the light bulbs he had taken with him."

In reference to the fortunes of his party, the SNP, Salmond described by-election campaigns in Glasgow East and Glenrothes as "evangelical crusades" which, "had gone down well in Glasgow East - but "slightly less well in Glenrothes".

Closing the "Last Call" segment he appealed for donations, "Please dig deep - it's for the weans."


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3.4 Billion!!!?? India's poverty rate is disgusting for an self proclaimed "first world country", people are starving in the streets and they can afford to put a their flag in space? --124.169.201.84 13:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Money invested in the space program is money invested in research, research that is critical to advancement that reduces poverty. Agriculture satellites improve farming yield, etc. 65.1.136.89 23:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Indian space advocates also say that this kind of research increases the chances of profitable contracts for scientific and commercial space work from abroad. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations to all Indians - it is truly a great day for your country and nation, as well as for the entire humanity. Now, let's get people back in space, and together, move onwards to Mars and beyond! 81.5.101.162 16:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

i'm feeling proud as an INDIAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.83.36.158 (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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Scotland denies bail to terminally ill man convicted of Lockerbie bombing

November 15, 2008 Scotland has refused bail to the Libyan man convicted of the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 despite his terminal cancer, as he can receive treatment in prison. was jailed in 2001 for the 1988 bombing of the transatlantic airliner, killing 270 people, but is seeking to have his conviction overturned.

Minutes after Edinburgh's Appeals Court rejected bail on compassionate grounds Jim Swire, spokesman for the victim's families who lost his daughter in the disaster, complained about the ruling. "It has never been a goal of our group to seek revenge," said a lawyer outside the court reading from his statement. "The refusal of a return to his family for a dying man whose verdict is not even yet secure looks uncomfortably like either an aspect of revenge -- or perhaps timidity."

Al-Megrahi, a former intelligence officer, is 54 and serving a minimum of 27 years for the bombing. He has advanced prostate cancer which is spreading through his body. His request for bail was rejected by, Scotland's head judge, who said that as doctors say he could live a few more years he should not be released unless and until after his appeal succeeds or his condition worsens.

Some other doctors give his time as just months, as the cancer has reached his bones. Hamilton however said that could prolong his life. Hamilton also said Al-Megrahi was not suffering "material pain or disability".

The ruled last year that the conviction may be a miscarriage of justice. It said there was significant doubts to be raised over several key pieces of evidence in the original trial.


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Review
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Los Angeles wildfires are nearly contained

November 20, 2008 The recent wildfires in Los Angeles, California, have burned more than 42,000 acres (17,000 hectares) of land. Nearly 1,000 homes were destroyed, and more than 10,000 residents were evacuated.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa expressed concerns that Los Angeles was on the verge of a blackout, and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has declared the situation a state of emergency. In terms of property damage, this fire is the worst since the Bel Air fire in 1961. Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky stated, "Whether you live in a mobile home park or you live in an estate, when you lose your home it's devastating." In Montecito, a census-designated place in Santa Barbara County, the homes of many celebrities, including Steven Spielberg, Steve Martin, Eric Schmidt, and Rob Lowe, have been destroyed. This massive fire has caused millions of dollars of damage and 13 injuries. Rob Lowe declared that "it was just like Armageddon."

According to one official, the fire started when ten students lit a bonfire on a ridge but failed to extinguish it. Although Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown believes that "this fire was the result of carelessness, not criminal intent," the county district attorney will still have to review the case. Santa Ana winds with gusts up to 70 mph exacerbated the Montecito fire, which destroyed over 100 buildings and damaged many others, including Westmont College. The college's 1000 students were forced to take shelter in the gymnasium.

A spokesman for the college, Scott Craig, described the scene: "I saw flames about 100 feet high in the air shooting up with the wind just howling. Now when the wind howls and you've got palm trees and eucalyptus trees that are literally exploding with their hot oil, you've got these big, red hot embers that are flying through the sky and are catching anything on fire."

Officials now report that firefighters are making some progress. Of the three major fires, the Montecito Tea Fire is 95% contained; the Sayre Fire, 70%; and the Triangle Complex Fire, 75%. Officials have lifted the evacuation order for Chino Hills as well.


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User:Gao63

Hello and Welcome to my User Page! --Gao63 (talk) 22:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Most likely nothing good will happen for me here but i will try to make some news articles.... --Gao63 (talk) 22:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:U.S Helicopter downed in mosul, 2 dead

comcast is really not a source now is it??? --Gao63 (talk) 23:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources must be cited with the source template, include a direct link to the story - not some front page that requires hours of digging to find the relevant piece, and there must be more than one.

 * Also, all claims or allegations within an article must be sourced. So, the statement that there have been several crashes might well mean that several articles over the last few months must be used as sources to prove this is not an isolated incident. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:Gao63

Welcome
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User talk:87.118.101.102

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User talk:Wondering~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Wondering. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Wondering~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:41, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Ajovitsky

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User talk:65.1.136.89

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User talk:64.53.141.23

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User talk:70.79.65.224

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New Zealand delays emissions trading scheme

November 17, 2008

New Zealand's incoming government will delay the implementation of the country's emissions trading scheme (ETS) pending a full inquiry into climate change.

The decision was revealed in the National Party's confidence and supply agreement with the ACT Party. The agreement commits National to a review of climate change policy by a special select committee of Parliament. The review will include the emissions trading scheme and possible alternatives to it, as well as "hear[ing] competing views on the scientific aspects of climate change" and considering whether responding to climate change is economically worthwhile. Implementation of the ETS would be delayed until the review is complete — a process expected to take at least a year.

The ETS requires companies emitting greenhouse gases to cover their emissions with permits. The legislation was passed on September 10, 2008, and provides for a phased implementation, with forestry entering the scheme immediately, industrial and energy sector emissions entering in 2010, and transport fuels in 2011.

The National Party won a victory over the Labour Party in last week's elections, and has formed a new government cabinet, led by prime minister-elect John Key.


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Talk:New Zealand delays emissions trading scheme

Missing review
Personally, I will not use flagged revisions to sight anything that has not been reviewed with the peer review template. Thus, it is pointless to try and self-publish, your article will not be sighted to appear on the front page.

As a result I have moved this article from publish to review and will take a look at it. My key concern is that the top source is the only one immediately obvious as dated today and is not a news report, but an agreement. Since the sources are not sorted by descending date the article technically fails review on style.

Ideally this would have a secondary news source to back up some of the assertions within it, as it stands there is only one from the NZ Herald. This covers the formation of a minority government which is not the same as stated in the article, "The National Party won a convincing victory over the Labour Party in last week's elections". A majority government would be a convincing victory. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry, it was unclear that the review policy had been finalised. From the discussion here, people were still voting on it.

 * I have added more sources, including one to Key's election win. Since you're listed as being from Belgium, I assume you're familiar with proportional representation systems.  If not, this result - a near majority - is considered "convincing" for New Zealand, particularly given the ease of coalition formation (we Do Not Do majority government in this country anymore - its a threat to democracy).  But given that its the easiest way to cut the BS, I'll just cut the word, and leave it at "victory".

 * The agreement was the top source because a) I prefer to go to original documents rather then me tooing existing media; and b) no other news outlet had reported it yet except in passing. I've added a link to the relevant Herald piece (which wasn't available at the time of writing).  I could add one to the same piece on Stuff too if you like, but it won't add anything - it all comes from NZPA, because they're the only people awake in NZ on a Sunday (I link the Herlald BTW because their links are stable; Stuff links tend to disappear after a month).

 * If you see minor style problems, feel free to edit them rather than simply pontificating. That's what wikis are for, after all.

 * Hope this helps. --IdiotSavant (talk) 11:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:India's moon craft reaches final lunar orbit

What can Indian research learn that the U.S. and russia couldn't, wouldn't they be better off helping there poorest people.


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Wikinews talk:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions/Archive 1

When are users
When are users allowed to make requests on this page. There seems to be consensus for this at the Water cooler. Anonymous101talk 12:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but see also Requests for permissions. Cirt (talk) 12:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No actually I think if anything there is more of a consensus to make "editor" a discretion promote. The Mind's Eye (talk) 13:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Cirt (talk) 13:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion to other permissions page
I think there's no need for lots of request pages. This should be happening on Requests for permissions.  Majorly  talk  16:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, you see, this is sort of in the vein of w:WP:ROLLBACK, and since the Editor function will be given our fairly liberally, it doesn't really need to get meshed into the RfA discussion page. (Unless it turns out not to be that active a page, in which case, nevermind. :) ) Cirt (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well at the moment WN:RFP requests users here, but I am not averse to giving this some more thought and changing my mind, of course others feel free to please give input as well. Cirt (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
Any objections to this formally being made policy and the way that users get Editor status in the future? Cirt (talk) 10:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I very much believe that at least three days are needed for any objections to someone being granted Editor status coming to light. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you see? I just made that change, actually. Cirt (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Isn't most of this de facto policy because that is the version of MediaWiki we are running? As far as the waiting period for editor status, I am not sure that I agree. I think that there can be cases where that should be circumvented. As far as the section on gaining 'Reviewer' status, I don't think we should include that here until the "Who are the Reviewers" discussion has been resolved. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I commented out the Reviewer part for now. What suggestions to you have for altering the page otherwise? Cirt (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The only thing I have a problem with is setting the waiting period for 'Editor' in stone by making it policy. I feel the risk is limited, if one Admin makes a bad judgment and grants 'Editor' to someone who abuses it, it only takes another Admin to remove that status. 'Editor' shouldn't be thought of as a permanent thing, or even one that takes a whole 'de-editor' process. "Easy come, easy go." --SVTCobra 02:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think this should be just like handing out candy, but I do sympathise with concerns that a cast in stone waiting period may not be the best approach. Patrick's comment in the below voting section is something else though, just taking away editor status seems like a road to conflict. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a solution could be that if an Admin removes the Editor status, that too should be required to be posted on the Requests for Permissions with a reason. That way others can see if they agree, and voice their opinion. But yes, I do see your point that it all can be a road to conflict.--SVTCobra 00:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, an admin that does remove a user's status must be able to explain why they did it and really, it should only be removed when it's completely apparent why it should be removed such as allowing an article that is competently wrong. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * Lets do it already. We've already forced the use of flagged rev's.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Per . Cirt (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * per others. Anonymous101talk 13:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

 * I agree with everything in the policy except for the three day waiting period. If an admin feels that a user should be given editor status, then they should do just that. I really feel that this thing should be no big deal. Likewise, if a admin feels that a editor screws up, they should just remove it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 02:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If it comes and goes so easily, then will it really serve much good in terms of preventing vandalism? "Oh, I feel like I should give this users editor"  A few sighted vandalisms later, a few published & sighted hoax articles (onto the front page that Google News picks up... "Oh, I guess I shouldn't have given that too him, oh well".  There goes our google news contract -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 07:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

 * Polls suck. This should be policy because no one has disagreed with it yet (or if someone disagrees, we should discuss, modify, etc). Policies should not be created by virtue of a vote, they should be a summary of current practices. Bawolff ☺☻ 11:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Can this be made policy already? I don't like having users directed to this page when it is only "proposed". Gopher65talk 04:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed this from Proposed Policy to Policy. If people disagree then we can revert and bring it back here for discussion. But really this has effectively been policy for months now, so this change is simply a reflection of the current status of the page. Gopher65talk 04:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Reviewing quality
I've said what I want on this one. Please look at the as-reviewed version linked to in that talk page section. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of removing it as the top main lead off the Main Page. Please note that in doing so I made the replaced it with the most recently published article which I happened to write; my intention was not to make an article I wrote more visible and I'm happy for anyone to replace it with another article. I put the third most recently article (Ex-cosmonaut Konstantin Feoktistov dies; Soviet space pioneer was 83) as top left lead, a slot previously occupied by said Former Iranian vice-president sentenced to six years; released on bail pending appeal article. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 11:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This was on Lead 1? I never noticed that; certainly wasn't good enough to go there. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this discussion needs to be moved to the articles talk page or broadened beyond the one article. --RockerballAustralia (talk) 11:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There was the issue on this particular article, and the points to bring that up to scratch should be dealt with on it's talk. However, various of the issues - such as conforming to the style guide and being cognizant of an international reader audience - are more important to bring up here. If not already present in rules/guidelines for reviewers they should be incorporated into such. Scattering the various "sub-standard" review issues hither and yon is probably a bad idea; it leaves the knowledge and experience needing found through 'wiki-archaeology', instead of all being in one place. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That was basically my point. There are other articles (IDK which) that have similar issues. --RockerballAustralia (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Mjroots
I'll make this quick; need to be elsewhere soon, but is anyone planning on closing Mjroot's request for editor status anytime soon? It's been there for two weeks, and nothing's come of it; probably be a good idea to not let it fall through the cracks. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He failed. Just nobody wants to close it :-P --Diego Grez let's talk 01:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Reconfirmation
Is there any objection to adding a reconfirmation section to this page? It doesn't seem like a big deal, since reconfirmation is voluntary —just a convenience for the self-nominator, really— but I figured I ought to give folks an opportunity to object, to avoid an embarrassing revert in case somebody does see a problem with it. --Pi zero (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think a request for reconfirmation section here is a really good idea. What I think is worth discussing is what details a reconfirm should include. Off-the-cuff, I'd say a list of all articles reviewed in the last x weeks, or all noticably post-publish correction work on others' review work. -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talk • main talk 14:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Close rfp on phearson
I have been waiting for awhile for this to close so that I may begin editing again. Phearson (talk) 03:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Reviewer rights
can someone grant me reviewer rights? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Idnamesay (talk • contribs) 01:44, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No. You have no earned reputation here on which to justify a request for them.  --Pi zero (talk) 02:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


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User talk:Pointofinformation

Welcome
Cirt (talk) 13:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:205.167.198.121

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User talk:67.158.64.6

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Wikinews talk:Breaking news/Archive 1

What on earth
What on earth is this Source Watch thing? It is completely unclear! -- IlyaHaykinson 13:30, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I typed it up at 4 in the morning. It's so users can sign up to watch a given news site for developments, that way we don't have confusion as to who is watching where and where more people need to watch. -- NGerda 17:35, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Encouraging people to follow the proposed policy
Does anyone have any suggestions how to encourage people to follow this policy? Today, for example (21 July) when the second wave of bombs hit London, within 30 minutes of the first reports about 3 stories appeared on wn, each the same story, just written slightly differently; so we end up with one main story being edited and lots of other articles with just an opening paragraph. Phunt87 17:28, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd actually forgotten about this, because I didn't think it was likely to happen again for a while. Now we have two similar incidents in two days... I was present from the start for the 7/7 articles and for today, so I'll have a tinker, although NGerda has done a great job. Dan100 (Talk) 11:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Tinkering
With the experience I gained from starting both the 7/7 bombing and the shooting on the Underground articles and looking after them for their first few hours, I've made some changes. Dan100 (Talk) 12:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

IRC?
Is the web-based IRC currently working? It's giving me a 404, so I thought I'd check. Schwael 17:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Question
If one is at the scene and wants to go online to edit Wikinews, should one go to the nearest Kinko's or Internet cafe? why or why not? just curious. Rickyrab 02:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Can't think of a reason as to why not. Sign in and contribute what you can from the scene. Upload pictures if you can. --SVTCobra 02:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
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Comments:Turbulence likely cause of Mexico jet crash that killed ministers

About an engine falling off
There is an interesting point of view made in an article concerning the apparent report of an engine falling off and what that could mean. The article is rather long, so is it okay if I put a link here? I hope that doesn't break any rules.

http://www.speakezforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=561

Also, it seems the writer knows something about flying. The article also includes a link to a mexican government PDF with specific details. Very specific information.

and so
I read the secret services have put great effort in this case.. in crashes like this it is still not obvious how experts allways show up from the same nations. The article is ok (i guess) but its far from complete,

mostly i wonder where the initial theory of an attempt of emergency landing on the highway went, altho i understand the intention of mexico not to be a source of speculation, concluding in a wiki the wake of another jet is the cause becomes less probable when such story is actually neglected. My personal technical surprise is rather big, i had never expected wake turbulence to be sufficient to cause that, i myself assume the pilot of the anti-drugs dep boss would be as thoroughly checked as anyone wanting to shake hands with him. That is they would know wether they could fly sufficiently. Where the turbulence fits the kind of unexpected event that was suggested in early reports (that somehow also established it were no technical problems or bombs probably), it doesnt relate to an emergency landing attempt. Not a pilot a lear yet would never fly as low that attempting an immediate emergency landing after turbulence becomes a real option, otoh if the mechanical force of the turbulence caused the crash, impact, one would surely think it had to be sufficiently strong to be noticed in the streets,

a thing i never heard of, wake turbulence of jets noticable in big city streets. So the pilots should have been nerds, wich i (becus it's very high officials and a lear jet), think is hardly credible. Perhaps my first intuition they were showing off (either the view of mexico city or the status of their passengers), is the key, anyhow i would like to see confirmed at what altitude the plane was supposed to be when this happened (and that the pilots of anti-drugs bobo's are not checked.(rotfl))

I see there is the blackbox "to explain it all" (but then where's the altitude..) but although i don't want to underestimate the uses of these things, it goes for them as well, they are preserved to a select company, of most often usian officials, if there is one way to mingle with an (air)event uncontrolled it's the blackbox procedure, this is not the only case it's forwarded as a very strong poof for a not so very logical conclusion. The "experts" that produce the official result, often are supposed to be only in place after weeks, for example, other nations appear not to have the technical option to independendly check the results, or what i think could, just read-out the thing. I don't want to be nasty, but for sure all these experts then are affiliated with a secret service, the usian then, taking their findings for transparant proof is a bit ... naive. It is the "secret" service, not (eg.) a senatory commision. conclusion: the article that seeks to calm conspiracy theorys actually raises doubts. not so surprising. i think the better way to prevent conspiracy theorys is to just let them be, at least that way you don't appear to have sommething to hide. Conspiracy theory's aren't so bad, they promote transparance, a more solid and transparant registration of their own actions by the authorities, free press and independend research of journalists. Trying to stop them where they could arrive is mostly suspect. 80.57.67.243 06:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC) 80.57.67.243 06:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

To respond to your points: The country of manufacture for the airframe, the engines, or the avionics has the right to be party to the investigation. If different, the country that manufactured the flight recorders may - I'm not sure - have the same, and may be called to assist. Turbulence is not noticable in city streets because it is so concentrated, parhaps only a couple of times the width of the aircraft that caused it at most. This concentration helps to make it so dangerous. The theory of the emergency landing was something I was unaware of, but a credible explanation would be that as the plane landed on a road and not buildings, it was a working theory that some problem forced the plane down. Pilots are trained to use roads when there is no other alternative, although it is a rare move. The planes were at the same altituded as each other, and both comparativley low, because they were headed for the same airport, and the turbulence is narrow enough they were still probably unlucky to hit it. By 'comparativley low', by the way, I'm talking about a few thousand feet; standard for coming in to land. They only go to below a thousand feet just before reaching the runway. I hope that satisfies your concerns. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

basic pilot training
Every student is taught about wake turbulence. If you are piloting a plane that is smaller than the one ahead of you, EXTREME CAUTION is advised. Staying further behind is not the only caution. STAYING WELL ABOVE the path of the larger plane and landing FURTHER down the runway than the larger craft is mandatory.

Business jets are constantly in proximity with the largest commercial aircraft (Class B and C airspace), whereas light singles more commonly are using smaller facilities (Class D and E). Crashes of this type are uncommon relating to excellent and recurring pilot refresher training and mandated aircraft spacing. 75.37.226.206 03:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews talk:Fair use/Amendment to Template:Logo

Policy
This is a proposal to modify the image policy so that logos do not require individual fair use rationales. The reasoning is as follows:
 * All logos are made to represent a company or some sort of entity
 * Entities want you to associate them with the logo
 * With exception to a few open source projects (not all), logos are copyrighted and trademarked to the greatest extent possible
 * All logos are the same in the above characteristics

Therefore, as all logos are the same, their fair use rationale are the same.

Typing the same thing over and over again is repetitive, if we put it in a central page and transcluded that page, it would reduce typing.

Therefore we should put the fair use rationale in logo for logos and no longer require individual rationales for logos.

Comments
Thoughts? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest a logousage template with a title parameter, basically a boilerplate of wikinews for the fair use justification on the image page. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Votes

 * I thought this was already covered in the policy. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)`
 * Your probably right, wikipedia must have the same issue. Nyarlathotep 10:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * --Brian McNeil / talk 11:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * . --Jcart1534 15:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * More sensible than the current system Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * --Skenmy(t•c•w) 11:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * --Anonymous101 Talk 15:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems a sensible step to reduce bureaucracy. Adambro - (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * with Brianmc's boilerplate. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 01:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Result
Make as policy, clearly unanimous support, per above. Cirt (talk) 13:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


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Massive 7.5 earthquake strikes Indonesia

November 16, 2008

According to the United States Geological Survey (USGS) a major magnitude 7.5 earthquake has struck Sulawesi, Indonesia, causing a tsunami warning to be issued. The USGS originally reported the quake as a 7.8. Local seismologists in Indonesia put the magnitude at 7.7. The NOAA had issued a tsunami warning for all areas within 1,000 k.m. of the quake's epicenter, but was later lifted.

Some witnesses report their homes shaking followed by scared residents running out of their homes to seek higher ground. Many buildings have collapsed in Gorontalo. The USGS states that damage could be "moderate to heavy". At least 200,000 people reside in the area. The city of Tolitoli in Central Sulawesi, also reported collapsed buildings. There are no reports of deaths, but at least one person was injured in a building collapse.

The quake struck 135 kilometers (85 miles) Northwest of Gorontalo, Sulawesi, Indonesia with a depth of 21 k.m. (13.0 miles). It struck the region just after 1:00 a.m. local time (12:02 p.m. EST).

At least two aftershocks struck approximately 30 minutes and one hour later with magnitudes of 5.6 and 5.5


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User talk:141.76.45.34

Vandalism such as your edit to Somali pirates agree to release Egyptian ship with fertiliser cargo and 28 crew is somewhat pointless since we have a system of reviewing changes that means the public will never see it. However, we will block you if you continue. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Scotland denies bail to terminally ill man convicted of Lockerbie bombing

Should Megrahi have been released?
I think that he made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it. You shouldnt get special treatment at the end of your life after taking the lives of so many others. If history has taught us (and terrorists) anything it should be that you DO NOT mess with the Scots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.59.226 (talk) 04:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Being sick doesn't make a man any less guilty or innocent. Should have no bearing on his criminal proceedings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.174.202 (talk) 06:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

He should be pardoned as well! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.143.166 (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

He should have been able to get treatment for his cancer. I think its against his rights to be refuse treatment for cancer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.81.203.199 (talk) 14:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hell no he shouldn't have been released. This guy blew up an airplane and got already got away with it for 20 years.

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User talk:Collegebookworm

Quick note - talk me on English Wikipedia (en:User talk:Collegebookworm), please. I don't visit here often. No uso Wikinews con frequencia...me hable en Wikipedia Inglés (en:User talk:Collegebookworm) por favor.

Welcome
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Comments:Sun Microsystems cuts 6,000 jobs

This will make it that much harder for people to find work in California now. How much more will be lost to this slow down in the economy? Each of these people being fired certainly have immense skill sets and that will push everybody else down a little further in hiring. I hope this trend can be reversed or soon the only legitimate comparison for IT work won't be garage work like it should be, but instead picking fruit. 65.1.136.89 20:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Won't this add to the problem?
The thing I am wondering is: won't companies cutting jobs to cope with the financial situation only make matters worse? If every big corporation lays off workers, then there will be less people able to spend money (particularly assuming Jobs become difficult to find). With less people who can spend money, there will be less cashflow into these corporations which could lead to more layoffs, which could lead to less spending, which could lead to more layoffs... Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.83.222.142 (talk) 21:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


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Pakistan wins Fortune Cup defeating West Indies by 3-0

November 18, 2008

Pakistan defeated West Indies by 31 runs in the third and last match of cricket played at Abu Dhabi to win the Fortune Cup 3-nil on Sunday. The competition was a series of One Day International matches (ODI), each of 50 overs. Pakistan won Wednesday's opening match in a thrilling finish. Kamran Akmal's heroic last over opened with 2 sixes and scored 17 in five balls, in response to a score of 294 from the West Indies.

In the second ODI on Friday, Pakistan won by 24 runs. Pakistan bat first and scored 232 all out in 49 overs. On the other hand, West Indies were all out in 48.5 overs scoring 208. Sohail Tanvir earned Friday's Man of the Match award by taking two wickets, after scoring 26 runs on just 20 balls.

Fortune Cup Scoreboard West Indies vs Pakistan


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My main page: w:User:Mjquin_id, m:User:Mjquin_id

Tennis articles

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User talk:Vaciny

Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

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Talk:Pakistan wins Fortune Cup defeating West Indies by 3-0

Review
Can you please point out, what is lacking behind in it Azamishaque (talk) 08:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The first reviewer explained the problems in the banner that was posted at the top of the article.  I have now copy edited it and submitted it for review.  By the way, the sports banner is intended for portals, not for articles.  Hope that helps.  --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to the banner that ShakataGaNai left:

http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan_wins_Fortune_Cup_defeating_West_Indies_by_3-0&diff=727115&oldid=727004

--InfantGorilla (talk) 09:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks now i think it would be fine Azamishaque (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Cat
editprotected Category:Abu Dhabi Rana (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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Wikinews talk:Newsroom/Collaboration

Content
I updated the content, and added some documentation between HMTL comment tags.

A question: is Category:News with items needing expansion obsolescent? After a brief search, I haven't spotted any current processes or templates that use it.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 09:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obsolete? Yes, seems so. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Iranian Scandel?
I havent heard anything about this... --72.73.95.21 (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Bus crash in Togo kills 26 from Burkina Faso
Two dead, six injured in Linstead crash - The Jamaica Observer Driver Shot After Crash - New Haven Independent Two are hurt in bus crash - Luton Today

Love to see if this is news worthy.

--Koraji (talk) 03:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC) Bus crash kills 26 in West African nation of Togo - The San Francisco Examiner Bus crash kills 26, wounds dozens, in West African nation of Togo, government says - Washington Post Bus crash kills 26 in Togo - BigPond News

wrong story sorry

Bus crash in Togo kills 26 from Burkina Faso

--Koraji (talk) 03:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Ailamadu

Welcome
Hello and welcome. I removed your greeting from Comments:India's flag landed on Moon as it is for posting opinions on India's moon shot. I encourage you to contribute in other ways: the banner below gives some tips. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Football: Easter Monday Premiership roundup

Live template in archived article
Please replace the inclusion of EPL with the relevant archived historical version, in order to keep the intended content in the article. --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is the relevant archive link and code:

Full EPL table --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Brian McNeil / talk 15:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Typo
editprotected 'vistors' => 'visitors' Van der Hoorn (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 22:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Another typo
editprotected 'throught' => 'through' Van der Hoorn (talk) 17:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 00:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Category
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Please at Category:Manchester United, Category:Chelsea F.C. and Category:Arsenal F.C.. Calebrw (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:68.32.96.11

Hi and welcome to Wikinews. We do not accept copies of press releases. Thanks for your understanding, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 17:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Wikinews talk:VRT/Archive 1

I notice
I notice that the email address is wikinews AT wikimedia DOT org. That should be wikinews-en AT wikimedia DOT org be or so. "Wikinews" is the name of the project, not of the EN Wikinews wiki. --Walter 21:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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User:Zara1709/German extreme right regional MP makes racist comment on Barack Obama

Interested anyone?
When I first read about this I at Telepolis thought that it would make a good story. I had taken a note of the current debate on Wikipedia about the question whether Barack Obama is African-American or multiracial, and I felt that this would be a much better contribution to the discussion than an actual comment there. There are, unfortunately, white people who appear very scared by other people with a different skin colour. To them, everyone with a black skin and a drop of African blood is black; whereas in fact such a notion of race is nonsense. African-Americans who are faced with a situation where everyone with African ancestors is seen as 'black' have a certain right to describe Barack Obama as African-American.

The United States should become a multi-racial society where racism is not a problem, and I admire Obama for his "A More Perfect Union" speech, but I am aware of the obstacles to this.

Anyway, if you'd like this article to be finished, drop a note here. Because on second though I realized that writing about this would be rather unpleasant, and I'm not sure if the effort would be worth it. Zara1709 (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Is there more?
I would like to read the story, if you can stomach writing it, if there is more to the story than the press release. I am completely ignorant of the background. For example, is the press release considered criminal incitement? Is there context in terms of his influence: how many others of his party hold elected office, do they hold similar views, has racism influenced speeches or votes in parliament?

If there is only the press release, then I don't think it is news I want to read, and will be happy if you agree that it is not worth facing the ugliness. I would not support giving publicity to such an ugly and hateful press release by calling it news, unless the context makes it news.

Does that help you decide?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

NPD is a neo-nazi party that would have been banned in 2003 by the German constitutional court if not for all the spies that have infiltrated it. Its fair to say the view expressed by Gansel is at least representative of the party ideology, but that doesn't really help with its legitimacy as a story. Both it and the other far right party DVU barely pass the percentage requirement for even being listed in elections, so it does not have the influence to justify publishing the story there either. Delete is the best option. 74.227.163.200 04:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

 * There is more to the story; factually not that much (it's summarized in the three sentences on top of the article), but I would disagree with the anonymous ip; this is a legitimate story, because it illustrates how the election of Barack Obama is seen by some people. A minority still views politics in the same racial categories that once were common in Germany in the 1930s. However, the problem is, that this minority is not that small. The NPD received enough electoral support in Saxony to get into its regional parliament (9,2%). Of course, many voters might just have wanted to protest against the established parties (in Germany's multi-party system), but that number is to high to be ignored. There would need to be a public outrage in Germany that such racist views are not acceptable - but this is not happening. Only regional newspapers and the independent web magazine Telepolis actually reported the issue. Anyway, an article on the English Wikinews would not help to start a discussion in Germany. So I think that it would be a better use of my time if I did more work on Wikipedia instead of writing this article. I don't know how deletion works on Wikinews. If possible, I would at least like to preserve this discussion. Zara1709 (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

 * As a reader, that is not enough for me. As a Wikinewsie: "regional newspapers and the independent web magazine Telepolis actually reported the issue," sounds newsworthy, and somewhat related to this:  BBC Radio Bristol presenter fired over 'racist' phone call
 * "There would need to be a public outrage in Germany that such racist views are not acceptable - but this is not happening.": as far as I can tell, Wikinewsies don't like things that don't happen, but there are several web magazines that might take your story. I now wish I understood German, so I can read your sources.
 * I don't know how to stop deletion. The policy says that abandoned articles with useful information stay, but the practice seems to be that every abandoned article goes.
 * Hope you return to Wikinews one day soon.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 18:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)