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= Audio Wikinews Brief for October 21, 2008 =

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Tuesday, October 21, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here are today's current stories.

Spanish prime minister speaks on economic crisis
In an interview with Público, a Spanish newspaper, the prime minister of Spain, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has stated that " if there is a global recession, it seems logical to expect that Spain will enter the recession in 2009." In the interview Zapatero also described the worldwide economic situation as "difficult." He recognized that "the developed countries are or are going to experience negative growth, and developing countries are also going to see falling growth; resulting in a worldwide loss of jobs." Regarding the global financial situation, Zapatero continued by saying that "the financial system is a part of the economy, a crucial part. We have a year-long financial crisis, which has had its most acute moment in the past two months, and I think now the financial markets are beginning to recover." Asked about whether it would be desirable to another plan to help those overwhelmed by the size of their mortgage, Zapatero reiterated the falls in the Euro Interbank Offered Rate. Zapatero then claimed that the average Spanish citizen would see their mortgage decrease by €28 a month (€330 per year) as result of the recent drops in interest rate, lead by seven central banks, including the European Central Bank which covers Spain, dropped their interest rate by 0.5%. The prime minister then said that he was pleased with the role of Spain in the recent summits discussing the financial crisis, before adding that he believes the European Union will lead the way in solving the current issues in the markets.

Church of Scientology falsely accuses internet group 'Anonymous' of 2007 school shooting
Wikinews has learned that the Church of Scientology has begun to falsely accuse the internet protest group Anonymous of a 2007 school shooting in Finland. On October 17, the President of the Church of Scientology in New York City, John Carmichael, also accused Anonymous of being behind the shooting. In an October 18 press release, the Church accused Anonymous of being involved in the November 2007 shooting at Jokela High School, in which a man named Pekka-Eric Auvinen shot and killed nine people, and himself. Wikinews contacted the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) in Finland by e-mail, seeking evidence or a statement to confirm or deny any connection to Anonymous and verify or debunk the claim made by the Church. Wikinews was able to confirm that there was no connection between Anonymous and the 2007 shooting. The accusations are part of a Scientology tactic developed by the organization's founder, L. Ron Hubbard called "fair-game". The Church uses this tactic to harass people, often fabricating lies and defamation against those who protest or criticize their beliefs. Wikinews contacted the Church several times by e-mail for a statement, but the Church has yet to reply.

Teen hacker admits to attack on scientology.org
In a related story, admitted Anonymous member Dmitriy Guzner has admitted that he launched a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on the official website of the Church of Scientology, scientology.org. He now faces a maximum sentence of ten years imprisonment. The attack involves overwhelming a web server's connections, making it unavailable for access to other visitors. The United States Attorney's Office released a statement on this issue. "A New Jersey man was charged today for his role in an attack on Church of Scientology websites in January 2008 that rendered the websites unavailable," they said. "Dmitriy Guzner, 18, of Verona, New Jersey, has agreed to plead guilty to computer hacking for his role in the distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack against the Scientology websites. "

New York business receives package containing unknown powder
In Buffalo, New York, a suspicious package was received by National Action Financial Services, a subsidiary of Sitel, Inc.. According to an FBI spokesperson, the mail department found the package, evacuated the building and contacted the local police department. The package has been described as containing some type of white powder. One anonymous employee said management was being very "hush hush" about it. National Action Financial media contacts were not available for comment, and the Amherst Police Department referred Wikinews to the local FBI office. The FBI stated that no hospitalizations were required, but could not comment further as it is an ongoing investigation.

Conclusion
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Canadian farmer vows to continue providing customers with raw milk despite order

October 21, 2008 A Canadian farmer has announced that he will continue to provide his customers with raw milk despite the fact that courts have ordered him to stop providing his customers with the product. "Yes, we will continue with what we're doing," he said, after being ordered by the courts to stop selling the product. He made these comments while drinking a glass of milk.

By refusing to obey the demands of the court, Michael Schmidt, the farmer involved, faces charges of contempt of court.

Raw milk is banned in Canada, as it can carry infections such as E. coli, salmonella and Listeria. Schmidt insists, however, that none of his customers have ever suffered from infections as a result of his milk, despite the fact that he has been in the business of selling it for over twenty years.

Supporters of the right to consume raw milk argue that it has large health benefits and a much better taste. "The rich and sweet taste of unpasteurized milk would blow most people away," claimed Schmidt. "I bet that 90 per cent of the people who would have the choice by blind tasting would all go for raw milk because that is the taste of milk and not what you buy on the shelf."

Schmidt also argued that his civil disobedience was a good way to change a law which he believes to be unjust. "When Gandhi picked up the salt, he kept marching, and when Martin Luther King, Jr. started the Montgomery bus strike, he kept going until the law was changed," he explained.


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Comments:New York business receives package containing unknown powder

I live in buff area
and its only 1 pm. there is no way that someone can report that by 430 or 3 pm something happened. Nonsense. screw wikinews, they lie more then fox news.

its not even 3pm!
in buffalo its not 3 pm and the report states that by 430 someone called someone else and had a response. This is useless information.

by chance
well for all you both know, it was 3:00 pm yesterday, on the 20th. okey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.177.231 (talk) 23:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a marvelous story! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.6.250.3 (talk) 13:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

to lol info
I know in today society people live in fear of something happening to the country since the fall of the twin towers. Not only that but after the anthrax event happend. It would be nice to know what the substance found on the package was. Not everything that happens needs to be hush hush as citezens of the United States I think we are intitled to a little bit more information instead of just leading us astray and left in the dark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.153.129 (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


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They have American cars there :-)

Buses weren't invented when Martin Luther was alive —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.166.175.129 (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 156 go play in traffic --66.229.17.181 19:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

They don't ban smoking, but they ban milk? Why not just slap some disclaimers on it from the Surgeon General, or the Canadian equivalent? Jade Knight (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, just out of curiosity, OF COURSE *wink*, totally not because I'd want to buy any *wink*, who is this guy? *wink-wink* Fephisto (talk) 01:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

What does raw milk taste like anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.25.133 (talk) 04:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

This guy's right to fight. I drink straight from the utter every morning :) Just gargle some mouthwash afterwords and enjoy. 24.30.16.34 15:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Ban Ciggerate Sales as well in that case.
What I dont understand is that, "How come a court is allowed to ban sale of a product which might be bad for health and allow others like ciggerates to be sold which definitely cause cancer". Does the law make rules for companies based on there size and the revenue that they generate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsoodan (talk • contribs) 01:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

raw milk
I have never had raw milk because of laws just like this one in Canada. I'd like to try it. I have read many positive things about raw milk. It is unfortunate that the government of Canada, and likely many other countries or states, sides with an industry wishing to maintain control over a product that has supported human life for hundreds of thousands of years. I wish, at the least, that I could choose for myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.248.180 (talk) 02:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, "for hundreds of thousands of years" people died from bacteria-induced diseases, from sources which include raw milk. That said, the decision to ban raw milk but not a whole host of argueably more unhealthy things strikes me as bizarre.67.193.146.210 02:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Schmidt's argument is fair enough
I really believe what he is upto is correct. Today's corporatisation of consumer products like daily foods is bringing down the food's nutrition value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.226.173.82 (talk) 10:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Get on Mr Canadian Farmer Man!!

I underdstand the reasonsing behind standard pasturisation of milk because of the risks, however if people want to drink Raw milk...that is there choice.

Honestly, fancy a government having to waste there time telling us what milk we can and cannot drink, what happened to free will?

I'm happy he is sticking up for himself and peoples right.

We do not live in a dictatorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.6.79.200 (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Raw milk is the shiznak. That is all. Zidel333 (talk) 19:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Why not?
I believe people should be able to drink whatever they want, so long as they know what they are drinking. If they want to risk E.Coli or salmonella, that's their prerogative. We dont make extreme sports illegal, and there is probably more of a chance to get injured or die in that, so why impose on simple people that enjoy raw milk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.130.146 (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems the point is that he is selling the raw milk
If this guy wanted to just give away his raw milk to interested people who know the risks involved I do not think there would be any problem. This looks more like a case where it is the actual sale of the dangerous substance that is regulated against. If the guy is trying to depict himself as a saint here, let him give the stuff away and not try to make money off of making others sick. 66.20.174.108 00:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Raw Milk
My name is Daniel and I grew up on milk strait out of the cow. Then one day a law was passed saying that this process which has occurred for many hundreds of years is now bad, and I have never drunken dairy milk since. By pasteurizing milk it destroys the taste and it's essence. If, i get salmonellae poisoning from drinking unpasteurized milk, that should be my choice not the governments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.172.177 (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I support the farmer's decision to continue providing raw milk to those who want it that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.188.181 (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Canada is the only country in the world that strictly forbids raw milk. Why? The reason is still unknown. There are states and different places around the world that also forbid raw milk. But the only harm raw milk does is to it's consumers. Think of it as population control. So if he wants to drink and sell raw milk then let him do so. Plus meats contain e.coil, samonella and listerious but that doesn't prevent people puchasing it raw. Also many fish contain worms such as the tapeworm and sushi resturants still exist. I say the distribution of raw milk should be at the consumers own risk. Hence why we have caution signs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.210.10.253 (talk) 19:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Canadian farmer vows to continue providing customers with raw milk despite order (comment)
Its good to see someone take a stand for what they beleive in. The milk hasn't harmed anyone. I'm sure thats how they drank milk before pasterization anyway. I wish I could try a glass...I love milk!

Sean Jensen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.113.178 (talk) 20:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Sure, that is how they drank it before, before anyone knew germs were how diseases worked. Pasteurization is done to kill many disease causing microorganisms and prevent the widespread outbreak of multiple diseases. Milk taste is secondary in the interest of public health, so public sale is regulated for just reasons. If the farmer gave it away as some farmers do the maggot cheese specialty in Sardinia, and only to informed drinkers then it would be different, and there would be no restriction. The restriction is on sale to the public, not for some kind of esoteric behavior modification like so many of the paranoid idiots above claim. 74.227.163.196 20:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Isn't milk regulated by the government like alcohol anyway? Don't they control the quota given to dairy farmers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.113.178 (talk) 10:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Canadian farmer vows to continue providing raw milk.
I agree with the farmer. I was raised on a combination of raw and condensed milk, as was everyone in my area. I never heard of anyone ever getting sick on milk. -70.66.169.64 (talk) 04:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


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Psychiatrist Dr. Jerald Block tells Wikinews about addiction to the Internet

October 22, 2008

Dr. Jerald Block is a psychiatrist based in Portland, Oregon, United States. Dr. Block has attracted some media attention due to one theory of his - the idea that Internet addiction can be viewed as a distinct mental condition.

In an interview with Wikinews, Dr. Block discusses this theory, including what needs to be done about it, and the alleged violent response that can arise from an addict's withdrawal. Below is the full exclusive interview.

Interview
When and how did you first come up with the idea that it is possible to become addicted to the Internet?

 * I have been working in this area since 1993. Earlier, really.  I was initially trained as an Industrial Engineer before becoming a MD.  I remember reading and writing about the impact of technology on people for an ergonomics class in college, way back in 1985.  Even then, I found the topic fascinating.

Do you have any ideas for how Internet addiction could be treated?

 * Harshly vs. gently. The hardball approach is to punish for excessive use and restrict/limit access.  Perhaps send the individual to a computer-free outdoor camp for several weeks.  Some practitioners do this and think highly of the method.  My concern with it is (1) it generates tremendous anger; (2) there is a high relapse rate, since the restriction is to something enormously common in society, enjoyable, and the limits are imposed rather than self-endorsed; (3) what behavior will take the place of the computer?  Is it any better?

 * The gentle approach is to talk about the issue, come to some agreement about whether it truly is a problem, and then try to negotiate some sort of mutually-agreed on treatment plan. This method also has its difficulties: it is time consuming, expensive, and does not guarantee the target behavior, the computer use, will ever be adequately addressed (at least from society's viewpoint).

 * Finally, both these methods can be helped along with the conservative use of meds, all of which would be "off-label" and targeted at OCD/Depressive sxs.

'''Activities such as gaming and viewing pornography predate the Internet, as does the potential to be addicted to them. What is different about it when it is online?'''

 * Well, with regards to porn, there are the three As -- Anonymous, Affordable, and Accessible. One has the illusion of anonymity so, when looking at porn or researching one's own paraphilia, individuals may no longer feel the shame that they might have in the past.  And, the porn is cheap and readily available.

 * With gaming, I'd modify the list somewhat but it remains mostly true. I'd also add that games (and porn, sometimes) provide an effective outlet for aggression that is (1) time consuming, (2) socially acceptable, (3) entertaining, (4) empowering, and (5) engaging.  In moderation, the preoccupation can prevent people from acting on angry impulses.  However, over time, it may exacerbate such issues and make things worse.

What do you want to see governments do in response?

 * The government can help by channeling interest into the topic and more research through the CDC, NIH, and special investigative bodies. At present, the game and porn industry has no stake in seeing research conducted and it is not clear who does.  As a result, there is little money budgeted to exploring the issue using the standard methods we use in science.  Then, ironically, it is claimed that there are no "good" studies...well, of course not -- there is no money to pay for them.

 * Actually, though, there have been some good studies...if you understand their limitations. For example, Nick Yee's work is interesting but his sampling methods are clearly non-random.  We also have several consulting firms, like Nielsen or NPD.  They have done some huge RANDOM studies which they issue news releases on.  However, research which documents things like some recent ones from NPD...that some 4- 5 million people play 45+ hours per week in the USA and buy around two new titles each week... are sold for thousands of dollars and inaccessible via libraries.  They are written for the game industry to clarify their sales strategy and target consumers, not for the medical community, and almost entirely unavailable to clinicians.

 * I do not believe the government should get into mandating content, censorship, or any of that. It is a waste of time, money, and resources.  I do think, however, that the government should phase in a requirement that games or the computer's OS come with the ability to limit access to porn or games, as the computer's owner directs.  People should be able to ask the system to budget or cut themselves off of games or porn, as they wish.  The limits could be around time and/or content and would be reversible, with time, effort, or money.

What advice would you give to someone who is addicted to the Internet, assuming treatment is unavailable?

 * Advice... I do not have generic advice -- it really is case specific.  Obviously, the patient needs to figure out how serious they are about wanting to "cut back" and then what, specifically, is stopping them.   With excessive porn use, often I prescribe SSRIs or related medications.  We need to develop clear protocols to treat computer-related pathology.

Why do you think there is a lack of major studies or official policy on Internet addiction?

 * Major studies cost lots of money. In the USA, any study needs to pay for the IRB, the researcher's time, the technology, the statistical analysis, the fixed costs, etc..  In addition, this is complicated in the USA since there are few funding sources with a clear mandate to research this topic.  Those that do exist are often intertwined with ethical or political agendas which pull investigators away from conducting unbiased research.  Finally, I think what research dollars are available have been distracted by a secondary issue:  the concept that violent media creates violent people.  This may (or may not) be true but, at best, the effect size seems to be small and costs in addressing it are huge.  It seems to me that a more immediate and dangerous issue is that of compulsive computer use.

 * That being said, in Asia, pathological computer use is recognized as a BIG problem and several governments have funded research. Thus, some of the best studies have come out from there.

'''If someone was addicted, they likely would remain housebound and online, making detection difficult. How would you suggest identifying people in need of treatment could be located?'''

 * People who need treatment usually know it long before others. They berate themselves for staying awake until 5 AM playing Spore or some such thing and, at 5:05 AM, they very well KNOW that they have a problem.  The key is to make accessible to them some sort of self-selected limit that they could activate AT THAT TIME -- at 5 am -- to restrict themselves in the future.

 * Outside of that I am interested in seeing if we can detect any increase, societally, in pulmonary emboli or deep vein thromboses. Being sedentary all day/night can cause either of these life-threatening issues.  Also, I am interested in complaints of "delayed sleep cycle" to pulmonologists in sleep clinics.  Finally, I am interested in episodes of violence that occur after computer limits are set, such as I have written about with the school shootings at Columbine.


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Comments:Chinese astronaut walks in space

WOW
this is quite an act for them to do. It is not very often when you think about it. This is definately a comming of a new age of space exploration.


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India's first lunar mission launched

October 22, 2008

India's first unmanned lunar mission was launched off of the shore of Andhra Pradesh this morning. India now joins the United States, Russia, Japan, China and the European Space Agency as the only powers that have demonstrated their ability to launch satellites to the moon.

The Chandrayaan-1 lunar probe was launched from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre at 6:22 am (00:52 UTC) in Sriharikota, which is about 88 km (55 mi) north of the southern Indian city of Chennai. The cost of this mission is estimated at 3.4 billion rupees (US$78 million). While the launch has been criticized for being a waste of Indian government funds, when the money can go towards more humanitarian causes, India is hopeful that its venture will put it into competition for commercial satellite launch services. The satellite features five components built by India's technology sector, and six components from foreign nations.

The Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) C-11 is the rocket which will carry the Chandryaan-1 satellite probe. The probe is being sent on a two-year orbital mission around the moon for achieving substantial goals for a detailed map of the mineral resources, chemical and topographical characteristics of the moon's surface. Some of the mission will include examining the surface for sources of water, and taking comparison photos of the light side and dark sides of the surface.

Both China and Japan already have satellites of their own orbiting the moon, and just last month China became the third country in the world to carry out its own independent space walks. India's previous space endeavors have mainly been related to launching weather and communications satellites.

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Thailand's fugitive ex-PM sentenced to two years for corruption

October 22, 2008 Ousted, and a fugitive seeking political asylum in the United Kingdom, Thailand's ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra now faces a two year jail sentence if, or when, he returns to the country. The Thai Supreme Court found him guilty of corruption in a 5-4 ruling by the Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions section of the court and issued the sentence over a land deal. The court acquitted his wife who was the purchaser of the land. The contentious package of land was taken over by Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund (FIDF) in 1995, following the collapse of the Erawan Trust in an effort to counter the trust's losses.

In reading the court's verdict, one judge stated, "Thaksin violated the article of the constitution on conflict of interest, as he was then prime minister and head of government, and was supposed to work for the benefit of the public, ... He is sentenced to two years in jail."

Despite his wife, Potjaman Shinawatra, having escaped sentencing in the Ratchadaphisek land deal case, she still faces jail time on return to Thailand. During July she was convicted of tax evasion and a warrant is outstanding for her to face three years in jail for that conviction. The Ratchadaphisek case centred around approximately thirteen acres of land in central Bangkok that was sold to her in 2003 for a knock-down price of 772 million baht (US$ 22.5 million).

With the law in Thailand barring ministers and their partners from doing business with government agencies, groups who protested for the removal of Thaksin are pleased with the result. People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) supporters were reportedly shouting, "We've won!" at the announcement of the verdict. They had watched a live telecast of the court's ruling, hailing activist Veera Somkwamkid who filed the case as a hero.

Somchai Wongsawat, the country's current Prime Minister and Thaksin's brother-in-law, has given assurances that the current government will not interfere in the court's ruling. In speaking to journalists after the ruling was handed down he stressed that the case only covered violation of the National Counter Commission Act barring government officials from involvement where they may have oversight. This was seen as the reason for Thaksin's wife, Potjaman escaping prosecution in this case.

The case's chief prosecutor has called on Britain to speedily extradite ex-PM Thaksin so he may begin his jail term. A number of other warrants for his arrest remain outstanding from additional cases brought over his time in office.


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Personal information
I removed sensitive information (Full name and almost complete address), I don't see it as of any interest to the article (if were up to me I'd remove the whole paragraph, leaving just the number of passengers and that they're not crew). It is mentioned further above from which general area they're from, and even the family names are entirely unintresting for me. I guess male/female and age might be worthy of keeping, that's information that has some meaning. Regards Sean Heron (talk) 09:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Thailand's fugitive ex-PM sentenced to two years for corruption

= Should the government more actively pursue Thaksin's extradition from the UK? =

Ok good, Thailand, now how about Bush and USA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

No way...
He's very safe under the queen's skirt... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.165.116 (talk) 14:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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UK Prime Minister: The world will enter a recession

October 22, 2008 Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has today admitted that the developed world will enter a recession.

"Having taken action on the banking system, we must now take action on the global financial recession," he said, speaking to Members of Parliament (MPs). "[There will be a] recession in America, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and - because no country can insulate itself from it - Britain too," he continued.

These comments echo those made recently by Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England.

Leader of the opposition David Cameron said that Brown should take some of the blame for the crisis. "He claimed the credit in the boom, why won't he take responsibility in the bust?"

Sushil Wadhwani, who was formerly a member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee also reacted to these recent comments. "The committee has been too slow to acknowledge the risks of a recession and they have fallen behind the curve," he said. "The consequence of their relative inactivity so far is that the recession is likely to be deeper and more prolonged than was necessary."

Markets today continued to fall dramatically. As of 15:30 UTC, the FTSE 100 index had fallen by 152.18 point to a value of 4077.55, while the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell back below 9,000 with a 2.89% drop.


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Eh, doesn't Brown say "likely" in all statements quoted elsewhere? Why is that word surgically removed from this article? It is a NPOV violation to manipulate quotes in that way. --SVTCobra 02:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to hide the word likely, and all the quotes are the direct quotesm but I seem to have made a mistake, so sorry. Anonymous101talk 08:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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2008-09 Wikipedia for Schools goes online

October 22, 2008

Monday saw the latest edition of the vetted version of Wikipedia, which is aimed at educational use, go quietly online. The extensively revised version covers over five thousand topics, targeting the eight to seventeen years age group. Partnerships with the Shuttleworth Foundation and the Hole in the Wall project will see it distributed in South Africa and India as well as copies being available globally via the offices of SOS Children UK's umbrella organisation, SOS Kinderdorf worldwide.

First launched in 2006 as a 4,000 article edition, the extract of Wikipedia has employed hi-tech distribution methods, as well as offering a website version which has steadily climbed up in ranking to above other reviewed Wikipedia rivals and copies; the 2007 version was available on the BitTorrent peer to peer network to keep distribution costs down and was equivalent to a fifteen-volume printed encyclopedia. Monday's release is compared to a twenty-volume print edition.

Key to the process for selecting articles is the English National Curriculum and similar educational standards around the world. The initial vision was to bring this wealth of knowledge to schools where access to the Internet was poor or unavailable, but copies of Wikipedia for Schools can be found on many first world school intranets and web servers. Among the compelling reasons to adopt the project are the vetting and additional study materials which overcome the oft-publicised concerns many educators have with the million article plus Wikipedia that anyone can edit.

In today's press release announcing the launch, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Sue Gardner expressed delight at seeing the project bring out a new version, "Our goal is to make Wikipedia accessible to as many people as possible around the world, and SOS Children is a great partner that helps us make that happen. Wikipedia is released under a free content license so that individuals and institutions can easily adapt, reuse and customize its content: we encourage others, like SOS Children, to do exactly that."

Running 192 schools in the developing world, SOS Children sees Wikipedia for Schools as a key piece in fulfilling the educational aspect of their mission. SOS Children's Chairwoman, Mary Cockcroft gave us an introduction and, a Wikipedia administrator himself, the charity's CEO Andrew Cates spoke to Wikinews at length about the project.

You are part of SOS-Kinderdorf International, can you explain a little about how this works in terms of distributing funds raised in the UK and involving UK citizens in work outside the country?

Mary Cockcroft: SOS Children['s Villages] is a "club" of member charities in 130 countries helping orphans and vulnerable children. The club elects SOS-Kinderdorf International as secretary. SOS is a large organisation whose members in aggregate turned over $1bn in 2007, and whose projects include owning and running 192 schools and family-based care for 70,000 children. However much of these funds are raised locally, with for example the member charities in each of India, Pakistan and South Africa raise considerably more funds in their own country than SOS UK does from the UK. Nonetheless SOS Children UK principally raises funds to finance projects in the developing world, and has only financially small projects in the UK (such as the Schools Wikipedia, which is very low cost because of extensive use of volunteers). This year we expect about 80% of our UK income will leave the UK for overseas SOS associations, and some of the remaining 20% will pay for project oversight. We do not spend money in the UK on Direct Mail or TV advertising. Our UK office is involved in overseeing projects we finance and a small number of high-skilled volunteers from the UK help overseas. However around 98% of SOS staff worldwide are local nationals, as are most volunteers.

How much work does the UK charity actually carry out within the home country? Are there failings within the government system for orphans and other needy children that you feel obliged to remedy?

MC: We are deeply unhappy about the situation of children in out-of-home care in the UK. However our care model of 168 hour-a-week resident mothers does not fit with the UK philosophy for children without parental care. Internationally SOS always has a policy of sharing best practice and we are working to improve understanding of our way of working, which appears to us to have far better outcomes than the existing one in the UK. Ultimately though the legal responsibility for these children lies with government and we cannot remedy anything without their invitation.

Who first came up with the idea of doing a vetted Wikipedia extract? What was the impetus? Was it more for the developing world than first world?

Andrew Cates: I honestly cannot remember who first suggested it, but it came from somewhere in the Wikipedia community rather than from the charity. The original product was very much pitched at the developing world where the Internet is only available if at all over an expensive phone line. I worked in West Africa 1993-1996 and I know well at how thirsty for knowledge people are and how ingenious they will be in overcoming technical obstacles if the need for infrastructure is removed.

In reading past year's announcements there's some pride in the project being picked up and used in the first world, was this expected or a pleasant surprise?

AC: It was a pleasant surprise. I don't think we had realised what the barriers schools faced in using the main Wikipedia were. It isn't just pupils posting material about teachers or meeting strangers: the "Random Article" button on every page could potentially deliver an article on hardcore porn. We had already started when discussion broke on banning Wikipedia from classrooms and I am sure we benefited from it.

Can you give an outline of the selection and vetting process? Is it primarily Wikipedians working on this, or are people from the educational establishment brought in?

AC: It was a long and painful process, even with a really good database system. Articles were taken into the proposal funnel from three main sources: direct proposals for inclusion from Wikipedians, lists which came from the Release Version team and proposals drawn up from working through National Curriculum subjects by SOS volunteers. In a few cases where we felt articles were missing we asked the community to write them (e.g. Portal:Early Modern Britain, which is a curriculum subject, was kindly written just for us): These "proposals" were then looked at by mainly SOS volunteers (some onwiki, some offline). Our offices are in the middle of Cambridge and we get high quality volunteers, who skim read each article and then compared two versions from the article history by credible WP editors a significant period apart (this picks up most graffiti vandalism which runs at about 3% of articles). Once they had identified a "best" version they marked any sections or text strings for deletion (sections which were just a list of links to other articles not included, empty sections, sex scandals etc). A substantial sample of each volunteers work was then doubled checked for quality by one of two office staff (of whom I was one). We then have a script which does some automated removals and clean ups. Once we had a selection we posted it to relevant wikiprojects and a few "experts" and got any extra steers.

Will you be making use of BitTorrent for distribution again this year? Was it a success in 2007?

AC: BitTorrent was a bit disappointing in that it got us the only substantial criticisms we received online. A lot of people find it too much effort to use. However for the period we offered a straight http: download we had huge problems with spiders eating vast bandwidth (the file is 3.5G: a few thousand rogue spider downloads and it starts to hurt). As per last year therefore our main two channels will be free download by BitTorrent and mailing the DVDs free all over the world. At a pinch we will (as before) put straight copies up for individuals who cannot get it any other way, and we have some copies on memory sticks for on distributors.

Is it your opinion that the UK Government should be encouraging the adoption of projects like this as mainstream educational resources?

AC: Clearly yes. We have had a very enthusiastic reaction from schools and the teaching community. We think every school should have an intranet copy. We expect the Government to catch on in a few years. That is not to say that Wikipedia is as good as resources developed by teachers for teachers such as lesson plans etc. but it is a fantastic resource.

You're a Wikipedia administrator, all too often a thankless task. What prompted you to get involved in the first place? What are the most notable highs and lows of your involvement with the project?

AC: Funnily the thing I have found most amazing about Wikipedia is not widely discussed, which is the effect of Wikipedia policies on new editors. I have seen countless extreme POV new editors, who come in and try to get their opinions included slowly learn not only that there are other opinions to consider but that elements of their own opinion which are not well founded. Watching someone arrive often (on pages on religions for example) full of condemnation for others, gradually become understanding and diplomatic is one of the biggest buzzes there is. The downside though is where correcting things which are wrong is too painfully slow because you need to find sources. I was a post-doc at Cambridge University in combustion and I know the article on Bunsen burners has several really significant errors concerning the flame structure and flow structure. But sadly I cannot correct it because I am still looking around for a reliable source.

Do you believe schools should encourage students to get involved contributing to the editable version of Wikipedia? Does SOS Children encourage those who are multilingual to work on non-English versions?

AC: I think older students have a lot to learn from becoming involved in editing Wikipedia.

To close, is there anything you'd like to add to encourage use of Wikipedia for Schools, or to persuade educators to gain a better understanding of Wikipedia?

AC: I would encourage people to feed back to the project online or via the charity. The Wikipedia community set out to help educate the world and are broadly incredibly well motivated to help. As soon as we understand what can be done to improve things people are already on the task.

Thank you for your time.


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Various emails for the interview segment
Various emails for the interview segment are available to accredited reporters on request. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Was that source material mailed out to the accredited reporters email list? Cirt (talk) 05:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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Why is "2008-09" part of the title? Should that be handled by a redirect? Cirt (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it is the 08/09 issue, and the "/" character should be avoided in titles. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting issues
Shouldn't it be "2008-09 Wikipedia for Schools going online"? The 's' in "schools" should be capitalized in the phrase "Wikipedia for schools" in the fifth paragraph as well.

Also, the italicization of "Wikipedia" seems to be inconsistent throughout the article. This naturally leads to the question of whether the term "Wikipedia" should be italicized. Perhaps there is a difference between italicization rules for Wikipedia as a print publication and as an online publication? I tend to see "Wikipedia" unitalicized -- compare the article on Wikipedia to the one on  Encyclopædia Britannica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emw2012 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
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 * The capitalization is fixed, but indeed Wikipedia is not italicized. I don't know why he always wrote it that way. Heavy Water (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia should never be italicized, and indeed I don't think Wikinews should either. These are some of style issues I have never been able to iron out. There are indeed accepted style guides which uniformly support this. I had debates with Pi who sided with BSR (for no other reason than it was BSR) and AG who sided with Pi. If someone reads the ', the ', or another quality style guide, it is apparent how titles of websites, books, printed material, songs, album, songs, etc. & etc. should be styled. The Style guide has a few things wrong. And, to me, it is absurd that every attempt to fix them has been shut down. Maybe there's something in ' but I've never seen a free version of it. But I doubt it contradicts the others. 'SVTCobra'' 04:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I think it is ✅ as italicization was removed from Wikipedia. BTW, I think Brian McNeil thought of Wikinews as a newspaper and thus wanted italics.
 * Yeah, I understand the rationale for italicizing Wikinews and I usually do it myself, it is just the Wikipedia italicization I've never understood. I guess he was applying SG's "Names of publications and articles" to it, but I haven't seen anyone else regularly do that for Wikipedia (I suppose it depends on whether one considers Wikipedia a "publication" and therefore something covered by that rule). And yes, I noticed your position on italic titles. Heavy Water (talk) 06:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Websites, whether one considers them to be a 'publication' or not, are not italicized. That's fairly universal, the limitations of our source template notwithstanding. SVTCobra 17:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

herself, not himself
herself, not himself Logictheo (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, where? More of a clue would be helpful. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Presumably they misinterpreted "a Wikipedia administrator himself" as referring to Cockcroft instead of Cates. Heavy Water (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I sincerely hope you are not expecting a reply from Brian McNeil. SVTCobra 06:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course not. I left the comment in the hopes of clarifying this matter for anyone who came across it in the future. Heavy Water (talk) 14:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


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Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here are some pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cirt (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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Comments:Spanair mechanics to be questioned under criminal suspicion over Flight 5022 crash

I was a Canadian AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) for over thirty five years licenced on aircraft, from Ce3ssna 170's to Boeing 747's and this accident just proves the difficulty that aircraft mechanics job is! What other job or position can a mistake make one liable for manslaughter? The low wages Aircraft Mechanics receive compared to factory workers, office workers,especially unionized civil servsnts, etc point out the value of properly trained personnel when one looks at pilots pay! It is about time that changes are due!

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Comments:UK Prime Minister: The world will enter a recession

Though he is right, the economic prosperity that we've seen isn't going to continue like we've seen, I seriously doubt that we will see a serious depression, radicalization of workers and the such. PS; is it just me, or is every recession the result of stupid actions in the financial sector? --Danthemango (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I take it Britain's just forgotten about Canada, then? --216.185.69.77 19:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Assuming that you're talking about Brown's comments, he mentioned the world's two largest economies (the US and Japan), and he mentioned 3 of the important economies in his local region. There was no reason for him to go down the list and mention every half-way significant country in the world. He didn't mention Spain or Russia or China either. Gopher65talk 19:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Ofcourse we're entering a recession. It's built INTO the monetary system. 121.214.183.9

Just Say the "R-WORD"!!!
According to wikipedia.org, a recession is a contraction phase of the business cycle; more broadly defined as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales. ([]). With losses by Yahoo, GM, and other large companies, more jobs are being slashed. According to CBS News, "Right now we have nine million Americans out of work, that's up from six million this time last year, and to every trader on the floor, to every trader upstairs, that's the most important number" because consumer spending makes up two-thirds of the economy, said Alan Valdes, vice president of trading firm Hillard and Lyons.

Yes we are in a recession, people. Now, let's pray we can get out of the mess that greed put us in.

--Dennis Melancon (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Dennis Melancon, Jr.

omfg well bad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.81.183 (talk) 13:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Nothing changes for the underlying factual assets
== When the real-estate fall in US impacted the Lenders, which impacted via the complex debt based instruments, the mortgage houses and financial institutions. The insurance firms which had insured these instruments (without due risk assessment) also failed.

This lead to a liquidity crunch as investors (small and big) lost confidence in the system.

But at the end of the day, what impact does it have on the world economy:

The Great Nations: The large institutions will loose lot of money as investments need to be reallocated to low yielding but more secure funds. Common man will get lesser (or no) returns for their investments. This will last for another couple of years and will come to a lower, but stable state at last. This is because, these large economies have enough funds to peg and slow (cushion) the fall.

Developing Economies: Large enterprises which Rely on the companies of the greater world for their business will wee a down fall as the demand for their service and products fall. Companies which supply products for common men in the Great Nations will also slow down in growth as the demand from common man will go down for imported items as he will have lesser cash in hand for purchases for a few years. But, the common men in these economies will not have much impact (unless the respective governments choose to bail out the large enterprises with the tax money of the common man). This is because, they have very little exposure to international markets directly. Only some might have to switch jobs. This will in turn boost companies which service the local clients with more skilled labor being available.

Lower World: These countries will seek money from the greater nations for bailing out their banking systems and large enterprises. The Greater world will of course help, after making the lower world pledge their future to the greater world.

''Everything will at last stabilize with little higher inflation, little more profit to the large enterprises of greater nations on long term. More teeth to the international organizations to control international finance (supposedly to avoid a recurrence).''

''All of the above, because of some smart brain in US giving loans to beggars and paupers in the US. At last, the creator of the entire crisis, the defaulters of home loans in US, will get cheaper homes at everyone elses' cost.'' ==

Recession is inevitable, which will soon convert into depression.We already have global environmental issues on our head. Issues seem to only be piling up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.252.230.28 (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Psychiatrist Dr. Jerald Block tells Wikinews about addiction to the Internet

Addicted to the internet? Addiction is only addiction if it becomes a problem. Otherwise, think of the internet as the world recreating itself on a cyber scale, it isnt an addiction its a substantial element of our consciousness, and what it's evolving to.

This seems like another person who doesn't want to accept that the world is changing. What many people fail to realize is that the internet combines many things: reading(e-books), mail (e-mail), research, entertainment, expression(forums, image/draw boards, blogs), news, into a single medium. It is simply naive to call that an addiction. It would be like calling the use of eyeglasses an addiction. The internet is something that is necessary to function productively within our society, and it is something necessary to survive socially in our society as well (with the gaining use of things like facebook). If the internet is overused, it is because our society demands it of us, not because of a personal addiction. I still believe that the internet is the best thing to happen to the planet so far. It is extremely difficult for governments to stifle the diffusion of ideas. We are reducing our reliability on governments with regard to information on international affairs and domestic problems. It is harder for them to lie to us. Rekov (talk) 21:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The usefulness of the internet as a tool for certain work does not mean it can not also be an unhealthy obsession, even at the same time. 72.154.53.126 06:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree that the internet combines SO much useful stuff. The only reasons where I can see internet use as an addiction (though I'm not an expert) is when it affects other areas of life. Such as loss in grades, sleep problems - continual late nights. Also - being housebound is a terrible thing, sometimes I'm inside too often and it's just this amazing feeling of bliss when you go outside ... so unbelievably refreshing. 121.214.183.9 —Preceding comment was added at 07:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

This made me laugh so hard.
[partialrant]This is something just about everyone knows about, one can get addicted to such readily available information of all sorts. He also seems to be targeting the main stream internet users, those with no will power that waste away at some time heavy game or porn. He speaks of treating this kind of thing with drugs, force, or therapy. However for games there is a simple statement that, in my experience, has ended the person's problem; "It's just a game" filled with that bored, "duh" tone that makes them feel sorry for themselves. Works every time (although I find it kicks in the next night when they really look at what they are doing and feel worse).

I have met no one that doesn't say "ew" about porn. So I have no experience in the matter.

Dr. Block has seemed to completely miss all the other things one may get addicted to as well. The whole list of pointless forum conversations, chat arguments, surfing the incredible amount of interesting information (right here on Wikipedia for one), hacking (not cracking mind you, news always forgets the difference) and sharing files/media (Photobucket, Youtube). Well, anyway, I got utterly distracted from what I was starting with, internet addiction isn't something you treat, it is something you pull yourself out of simply by realizing what it is.[/partialrant] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.3.132 (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I have serious doubts that anyone labeled as "addicted to the internet" to the point of self-harm doesn't have far more serious, and treatable, mental health issues underlying that "addiction". --74.229.182.73 14:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Usual psychobabble double talk. Lets take a common action, label it a disease ("mental illness"), vote it into the billing manual (yes that is how this quacks create "legitimate" diseases) and the prescribe drugs to combat it, the prescribe further drugs to handle the side effects of the initial drugs and then therapy to handle the wrecked life of some poor fool who had the misfortune to seek help from these snake oil sellers. Don't forget to manipulate the data to show how widespread and horrifying this "disease" is. Oh, lets not forget to gloss over the fact that there are NO cures, that psychiatry has NEVER cured any of the diseases they invented, that there is absolutley ZERO physical evidence that such a disease exists (exactly the same amount of evidence that is available for every other stupid condition these idiots cooked up). It is beyond me that anyone can even say this crap with a straight face but unfortunately Dr. Block (you can't even think up a name like that) and his ilk not only say it but make billions of dollars saying equally ridiculous, medically unsupported rubbish all the while destroying peoples lives with their "treatments". --Crokodile (talk) 23:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very poor analysis. Scientologist? Chemistry is real unlike other things. 66.20.174.108 00:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Why Single Out the Internet?
Why should we consider Internet addiction a disease? Why the Internet in particular? Why not other things? To me an addiction is when a person does something without good self-discipline and willpower, and allows the activity to infringe upon other critical life activities, such as eating, sleeping, bathing, etc. Take me for example. Before I we had video games in our house I was addicted to books. I would spend hours at night as a child, sitting up and reading in bed, disrupting my sleep cycle. My mother noticed this and punished me by confiscating the desk lamp. We don't see any studies being reported about dangerous addictions to books, do we? After we got a video game system, my addiction changed from books to video games. Instead of sitting up late reading books, I was sitting up late playing video games. My mother didn't like this either, so she put a lock on the video game cabinet. I was so addicted that I would try and steal the keys from their bedroom as they slept. Whenever my mother caught me in the act, she expressed deep pain at the fact that I would try and deceive her and continue to harm myself by throwing off my sleep cycle. When I finally got a computer in my room, I spent hours and hours writing computer programs and playing computer games. Again I had an addiction, except I did not have the internet connected up yet. When I finally left for college and had unrestricted internet access for the first time, my focus shifted to gaming, chatting, and reading on the internet. I did not have very good willpower and self-discipline, and I often arrived at class too tired to function well. As my grades consistently fell I began to get fed up with how I was doing things, and I began to set limits on myself. Now that I'm out of college and in the working world, I set my own goal to have at least 6 hours of sleep each night, and up to now I've had few problems with this. Through willpower and family encouragement, I was able to get my act together and stop allowing myself to irresponsibly use my time. This whole thing about addictions is not a question of whether it's a disease or not. That's bull. The root problem needs to be addressed, which is poor willpower, self-discipline, and maybe even a lack of knowledge on healthy habits. --96.252.61.169 17:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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WATCH YOUR GRAMMER!!! —121.6.2.164 (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Your grammer and vocab is PERFECT!Very good! —121.6.2.164 (talk) 08:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Would be great to see a followup
Did Dr. Jerald Block look into the issues he was discussing? And if so, what were his findings? Mattisse (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood —58.186.2.250 (talk) 12:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe his opinion is dangerous for Internet user
In China, we have Yang Yongxin, who is reported that he frequently uses ECT to punish those who disobey his command in his Anti-Internet Additcion Camp and set patients' parents and other patients to catch those who want to escape. Yang Yongxin's action has made Chinese people concerned about the existence of Internet Addiction and treatment against patients' will and other human rights. Even Dr. Jerald Block may have good faith, but his opinion may be used against Internet and other thing (It is reported that Yang's treatment is against homesexual and other beavior which is discredited in China). So I think it's dangerous. Mariogoods (talk) 03:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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Now that wasn't very nice. See what you made me do? Bawolff ☺☻ 23:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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Australian police commander caught speeding at 175 kph

October 23, 2008

An on duty superintendent in the New South Wales Police Force was caught speeding in an unmarked police car at 176km/h in a 100km/h zone on the Olympic Highway near Junee, New South Wales on October 13.

Superintendent Frank Goodyer, who was caught by his own officers in the Wagga Wagga Local Area Command, was charged with driving at more than 45km/h over the speed limit, had his automatically license suspended for six months and fined A$1674. It was reported by Sydney radio station 2GB that it was Superintendent Frank Goodyer as the officer who was caught speeding by his own officers after the New South Wales Police released a media release which did not name the officer who was caught.

Superintendent Frank Goodyer told ABC Radio, "I accepted the penalty. I accept that I've done the wrong thing and, as I say, it is still my job as a senior police officer to encourage safe driving and I will continue to do that regardless of my actions".


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Todays press conference interview isn't available online and I don't have a recording of it but WIN Television and Prime Television aired in it in their local news tonight. Bidgee (talk) 12:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * From which source is "It was my decision to publicly state that I was police officer nominated in the media release"? For a start this is dreadful English, second none of the cited sources list it. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * His press conference which both WIN News and Prime News played. I could try and get the recording of the said speech above. Bidgee (talk) 10:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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Homes of six Minnesota politicians vandalized

October 28, 2008

An unknown person or persons wrote graffiti and vandalized the exterior of homes belonging to six members of the United States congressional delegation from the state of Minnesota late last Monday night or early Tuesday morning.

According to the Star Tribune, Laurie Coleman, wife of U.S. Senator Norm Coleman, found the words "U R A CRIMINAL, RESIGN OR ELSE! PSALM 2" written on the family's garage. The word "SCUM" was also written in three places on another side of the garage. Psalm 2 is a biblical reference.

The homes of senator Amy Klobuchar, and U.S. representatives Michele Bachmann, Keith Ellison, John Kline and Jim Ramstad were also targeted by vandals. Ellison's house was the only one that sustained damage.

Peter Panos, St. Paul Police spokesman, told the Star Tribune that threatening message in the graffiti were cause for concern.

"We're looking at this as an actual threat," he told the Star Tribune. "We're taking it quite seriously. Vandalism threats are pretty rare in this city."

Bachmann, Coleman, Kline and Ramstad are Republicans. Klobuchar and Ellison are Democrats. All live in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area. Reps. Collin Peterson and Jim Oberstar, who live in out state Minnesota, along with Rep. Betty McCollum — who lives in a condominium, did not receive vandalism to their homes. Senate candidates Al Franken and Dean Barkley, who are running against Coleman in the November elections, condemned the vandalism.

"There's no place for this unacceptable behavior in our political process, or in our communities," Franken's campaign told the St. Paul Pioneer Press. The paper said that the Franken campaign office was the victim of graffiti attacks including the words "Crazy" and "No New Taxes."

Federal and local authorities are still investigating these incidents, as well as similar incidents that took place in Missouri.

Over the weekend, a Minnesota hair salon was targeted. Police say it may have been a copycat vandal, though the salon is said to be patronized by Norm Coleman.


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Comments:Seven arrested in UK cruise ship drugs seizure

"Our investigations will not only focus on those transporting the cocaine, but also those that finance and mastermind this illegal trade."

The government finances this trade. How do drugs devestate lives? Guess I better throw out my Tylenol.


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User:Vanderdecken on the English Wikipedia - therein lies my home. I have previously only created an account on Commons - this account here is a result of the Unified Login process. If you want to talk to me, I check my English Wikipedia talk page most regularly. Vanderdecken (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Dennis Melancon, Jr. is a freelance reporter and editor of the progressive website, American History Now. As a progressive, he tends to lean to the left of center, but always values the views of others.

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Dennis is a native of New Orleans, Louisiana living in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He has also lived in Los Alamos, New Mexico.

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Comments:2008-09 Wikipedia for schools goes online

Does anybody else think that the statement see www.wikipedia.org for details of authors and sources and the disclaimer The original authors or creators of content from Wikipedia may be found by going to the article in the English Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) with the same article name and tracing content via the page history. are not enough? I think GFDL is not fully respected there. --Elitre (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't enough. I totally agree. Mike Halterman (talk) 10:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews interviews UK pro darts player Kirk Shepherd

October 30, 2008

Kirk Shepherd is a professional darts player from the United Kingdom. Kirk began playing competitively at 13 for his local pub, and was soon crowned Boys Champion at the Winmau World Masters in 2003. Shepherd was voted Young Player of the Year by the British Darts Organisation in 2005 and 2006.

Shepherd is perhaps best known for his performance at the 2008 PDC World Darts Championship. Forced to qualify for the televised tournament, he then proceeded to knock out a number of well-known players live on television, including Terry Jenkins, Wayne Mardle and former finalist Peter Manley. He ultimately went on to come second in the tournament, becoming the youngest ever finalist, and losing out to John Part in the final.

He has also previously managed to defeat the then world number one, Gary Anderson. Due to his performance at the world championship he will play in this year's Grand Slam of Darts next month. Ahead of that appearance Wikinews was able to conduct an interview with Kirk, which is now available below:

Interview
'''The Grand Slam's coming up soon. Do you feel confident you can do well in another major tournament?'''

 * Yes, I believe in my own ability and know I've got the game to beat anyone on my day.

How's this year been going so far?

 * Not as well as I would have hoped, but I wont let that rock my confidence.

When you were at the world championships, did you find playing top-level darts players daunting?

 * No, I was more exited about it more than anything. I had previously played top players before and won so I knew I could cut it out with the best.

How do you approach a match as an underdog without giving up immediately?

 * I just believe in my self and confidence is a key factor.

'''Your website says that in playing darts live on TV and defeating the world number one at the time—Gary Anderson—you have achieved two of your aims. What are your other aims, and when do you hope to achieve them?'''

 * My aims are to break in the top 16 which I hope to do by next year and to be a world champion; my aim for this is in the next 5 years.

Who are your darting heroes?

 * Dennis Priestley

What first got you interested in darts?

 * My dad was a keen player so I followed in his footsteps, I guess.

What were your your ambitions before you entered darts professionally, or was that what you had always wanted to do?

 * Darts has always been my life, I always wanted to be a pro darts player.

Do you see yourself joining the premier league in a few years?

 * That would be a great achievement. If I could make this another good run in this years world championship [that] would see me there. I think i can do it.

What do you think you would be doing now if it wasn't for darts?

 * I would probably go in to the plumbing trade.


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All background from kirkshepherd.co.uk (except some names of people he played; I watched that live on TV) and interview email sent to scoop for verification. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interview content verified via scoop. —Calebrw (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Spelling errors, grammar
There are spelling errors and grammar issues in some of the questions and answers. Not sure what to do about the answers but perhaps add [sic], or to modify the questions after the fact. Cirt (talk) 20:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The answers came back with no punctuation whatsoever, so we have to provide that and can modify it if we one of us (me) messed it up. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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How do you approach a match as an underdog without giving up immediatly?
 * Spelling error in word - "immediatly".

Your website says that in playing darts live on tv and defeating the world number one at the time - Gary Anderson - you have achieved two of your aims. What are your other aims, and when do you hope to achieve them?
 * "tv" should be either "TV", or "television".

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Not as well as I would have hoped, but I wont let that rock my confidence.
 * "wont" should be "won't"

No, I was more exited about it more than anything. I had previously played top players before and won so i knew i could cut it out with the best.
 * I am guessing by "exited" he meant "excited" here?
 * Instances of "i" should be capitalized "I".

That would be a great achivement. If I could make this another good run in this years world championship [that] would see me there. I think i can do it.
 * "achivement" is spelled wrong, should be "achievement".
 * again, issues with lower-case "i"...

I would proberbly go in to the plumbing trade.
 * "proberbly" I am assuming here is meant to be "probably"

These issues should have all been dealt with, before the article was published. Cirt (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree it should have been dealt with before, but I don't think there is any ethical problems with fixing obvious spelling/grammatical errors in the responses ... as long as we don't change the wording. --SVTCobra 23:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Formatting
It'd also be nice if this were formatted like our other interviews. --SVTCobra 21:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I'll try it now I have more time, but my connection is somewhat unreliable (could die at any time, or I could get found on it and kicked off). Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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If you are in e-mail contact with Shepherd, may I suggest that you ask for a photo and ask him to release under cc-by-25 or other license that is acceptable at Commons. That would be great for illustrating the article. Other interviewees have very forthcoming on this issue. Let me know if you need help obtaining an OTRS ticket. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I did put it to him at the same time as sending in the questions, but he ignored that bit completely. I would be unamazed if he never even realised, but if anyone fancies a second crack his email is kirkdshepherd AT hotmail DOT com (no issues revealing it; it's published on his website). Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:DDos Hacker Dmitriy Guzner Responds To Scientology

My name is Kate Noelle and I wrote this article. I apologize for any newbie lameness in creating this page here. I'd also hope to edit the TITLE of the page, but it seems I'd need to just create a whole new page for it. I don't wish to go any further without knowing what to do so I'm simply posting it, acknowledging it and leaving it to the professionals. Sincerely, Kate —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.46.75.100 (talk • contribs)


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My main userpage is on English Wikipedia. You'd probably have more luck reaching me there. :)

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This article seems really biased.--BLaafg (talk) 06:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 * How so? It seems to be a fairly clear cut issue, of copyright infringement. Naturally, those making the claim against the "infringers" would have more to say. --  Zanimum (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

OH?? REALLY?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.16.22.34 (talk) 06:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Why does Wikipedia have this arsey license instead of making the text completely and unreservedly free? I doubt the quote would have been used for the advert if it had to be followed by a footnote saying that the text came from Wikipedia and was written by some guy. That would distract from thrust of the advert. I suppose the idea is to prevent the advertiser from accidentally acquiring the legal ownership of the text, but in the absence of a apparent deliberate effort to do so I think we should let such infringements slide. 81.131.13.145 (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


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Hello. Thank you for visiting Wikinews. However, we don't appreciate the kind of edits you've made so far. Continued perpetration of vandalism from your part will result in a block without further warning. We hope that you will decide to contribute for the benefit of the project in which case the following pages will give you an overview of how Wikinews operates.

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Comments:Chinese restaurant closed in Toronto after rat photos published

The closing paragraph is pretty clear that this neighborhood has a rat problem. Close all the restaurants you want, but that is just medicating for the symptoms. What about the problem itself? --65.16.61.35 17:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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I know it's the year of the rat but if this is a cultural tradition then next year they should have lots of fresh beef in the restaurant. kytti khat (talk) 17:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


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McCain volunteer fakes mutilation by Obama supporter

October 24, 2008

Ashley Todd, a campaign volunteer for John McCain, who on Wednesday reported that she was attacked by an Obama supporter while using an ATM in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, admitted on Friday that she had made up the story.

Todd had described her attacker as a tall, "dark-skinned African-American," who pressed a knife against her neck while she was using an ATM. She claimed that after she gave him $60, he noticed a McCain sticker on her car and proceeded to beat her before pinning her down and scratching a backwards "B" for "Barack" into her cheek with the knife. He then fled the scene, she said, though later she could not recall to which direction he fled.

He wanted to teach her a lesson, she said, and make her a Barack Obama supporter.

"It’s not like her cheek was carved out," a police spokeswoman said of the mutilation, referring to it as a "scratch" or "scrape." Todd did not seek medical attention, instead leaving for a friend's apartment and calling police almost an hour after the time she said she had been attacked.

The Pittsburgh Police Department administered a polygraph test on Todd after spotting several inconsistencies in her story and finding that bank and video records showed she had not used the ATM machine.

Police Commander Larry Ross said Todd's story began to change with subsequent interviews. "She added other things to it that we didn’t have at first, that she didn’t tell the initial officer," he said. Todd had added that the alleged attacker had "fondled" her in a follow-up interview, and later changed her story to say that she had been unconscious during the attack.

Police say that Todd has suffered "mental problems" in the past. They do not believe anyone made her pull this hoax.

The story received widespread attention across the internet and mass media outlets, and was featured in a massive headline on conservative news aggregation website Drudge Report.

The McCain campaign said McCain and Palin had both spoken to her over the phone, offering their condolences. Obama later condemned the attack and called for the attacker to be brought to justice.


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Global stock markets plunge

October 24, 2008

Stock markets around the world have fallen dramatically today. This is following the ongoing events in the financial world and related statements by several United Kingdom politicians, including Prime Minister Gordon Brown. The British FTSE 100 index was one the indices that today suffered from large falls. It fell by 5.00% to slip below the four thousand mark, at 3,883.36 points.

Two of the major United States indices saw falls of over two per cent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 252.01 points (2.90%) to 8,439.24 by 17:30 UTC, while the Nasdaq Composite index experienced a 2.30% drop.

South American markets performed particularly badly today. By 17:30 UTC, the Argentinean MERVAL index had fallen by almost six per cent to 906.160 points, while the Brazilian Bovespa fell by 6.89% (2,328.45 points) to a value of 31,490.04.

David Buik of BGC Partners commented on today's falls. "It's carnage," he said. "Confidence is shot to ribbons. We need action now. It is a catastrophe that we have got to recession, but we have got to learn to live with it, and that means saving the markets."

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 * SSE Composite = 1,839.62
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 * SSE Composite-p = 1.92
 * SSE Composite-tl =
 * DAX = 4,295.67
 * DAX-c = 224.03
 * DAX-p = 4.96
 * DAX-tl =
 * Bovespa = 31,490.04
 * Bovespa-c = 2,328.45
 * Bovespa-p = 6.89
 * Bovespa-tl =

title: Global stock markets plunge


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Talk:Global stock markets plunge

'"It's carnage," he said. "Confidence is shot to rippons"' —if this is a verbal quote, "ribbons" should be changed to "ribbons". If it is a text quote, [sic] should be added after "rippons". I couldn't tell which of the sources it came from, or I would have made the adjustment myself. Jade Knight (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:Global stock markets plunge


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Talk:McCain volunteer fakes mutilation by Obama supporter

Title
title should be changed since we didn't have the initial story. IMHO it should be something like "McCain volunteer fakes attack by Obama supporter". --SVTCobra 00:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * For lack of feed-back on this, I am going to change it. --SVTCobra 02:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I also rewrote parts of it because it was written as if everyone had heard of the initial story. --SVTCobra 02:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)