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Situation
I turned on the news approximately an hour after it happened. I have access to local news feeds and recording News 8 Austin. - Stillwaterising (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Plane is NOT stolen according to police, please do not report as factual. -Stillwaterising (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Broadcast report
While watching a news conference on CNN, a Austin PD said that the plane was not stolen. A CNN reporter said that a DHS official confirmed this. IRS confirms that they had offices at the building, they had 190 employees. A suicide note has been located form Mr. Stack. Cocoaguytalkcontribs‽ 18:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Jerry Cullen
Full interview of pilot/instructor/eye witness Jerry Cullen was just replayed on News 8 Austin. He claims to have 4300 hours flying light aircraft and that the plane was at or near full-throttle and was "screaming" as it descended into impact. - Stillwaterising (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Replayed News8 feed and reviewed interview carefully. Revising source statement.

 * Full interview of pilot/former instructor/eye witness Jerry Cullen was just replayed on News 8 Austin. He claims to have 4800 hours of flight time flying light aircraft and said "when you train in those airplanes you train to slow down when you are in trouble, you put them in glide mode and you want to land them slowly, that plane wasn't traveling slowly, that plane screaming." The pilot was in the parking lot of Marie Callender's north of the building across HWY183 at time of impact. - Stillwaterising (talk) 19:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Where's the Draft versions?
I'm new to Wikinews (but not to wikis) and I'm having trouble keeping track of where the draft versions go after being written. Is there a link for them? - Stillwaterising (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The draft versions become the "live" version after they are sighted/flagged by an editor. It's part of flagged revisions. (I assume that's what you're talking about?) Tempodivalse [talk]  19:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It's all in history. Basically, the latest version of the article is the current 'draft' if it hasn't been sighted. Once it is sighted, it stops being a draft and goes live. Everything is in the history, like other wikis. Obviously, FlaggedRevs is new to you but I take it you know the basic theory? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Embeddedart.com link down
The host for embeddedart.com took down the site in light of the crash. We might want to add a caption, or remove the link altogether.

 * Let's simply state that it went down. Still said xe had a copy saved, I believe? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Stillwaterising, you said you saved the text of the suicide letter. Can you paste it into Plane crashes into office block in Austin, Texas/Suicide note? I'm happy to write a fair use rationale for the text. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * How would you like it, email? - Stillwaterising (talk) 20:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I would, but my webmail's down. Can you just create the redlink above and bung it in there? I'll deal with it after that. I know there are likely one or two mirrors around but if the FBI is bullying people into removal I want us to have a local copy. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I 100% expected that to happen and that's why I save it. Will do. - Stillwaterising (talk) 20:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that's great. I'm going to say this counts as Original Reporting since we released the document ourselves - I'll add the template. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * 1) Up or down, this isn't a source and, who says it is the pilot's words? If it belongs, put it in ext. links and be quite clear who says it is the pilot's ramblings. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to believe the FBI. Yes, I know, that's slightly stupid of me, but even they can't throw together hoaxes and lies that fast. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Bawolff and I have been on a verification mission.

 * The pseudosource currently links to a forum. That forum is clearly connected to T35.com. A user linked directly to the forum, and hence to T35 (as opposed to a random member of the public) has posted there regarding the letter

 * T35.com appears to be T35, a legitimate and real hosting company

 * There is no reason a for-profit would make up that the FBi requested removal; the only publicity possible is negative

 * The FBI can be trusted to have likely got this one right.

Therefore, I can conclude that we are looking at the real deal with that note. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Plane registration
News 8 Austin just reported that the plane was registered to Joseph A. Stack as was the house. - Stillwaterising (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments
As I'm in a very early start and long commute training course I am not getting much time to keep an eye on things. Here's some of what I've see with this:
 * Sources incorrectly cited, at least in terms of date format
 * Use of a blog as a source. Yes, the pilot's note apparently; but, there was no attempt to form a better way of citing it. Fortunately, someone kept a copy (or dug it out of cache) so, when it was taken down, a local copy could be uploaded. There needed to be original research into domain registrations, subpage owner details - where available, and a documented effort to confirm or not that it was the pilot's writing.
 * A source dated ahead of this article was cited as related news; this should not be done. I always consider related news as a "sources from Wikinews" section.
 * A keen new contributor, who probably got a bit of a rough deal. Partly me being protective of Wikinews and not having enough time to do so well - but also because an aspect of me doing that was concern some editors weren't doing due diligence in citing changes.

I've been informed I won't, as a Data Protection Act-related measure, be able to have any mobile phone in the cube farm; further measures to ensure data doesn't leak include only operating a site/page whitelist. So, my contribution here is going to be significantly cut back for quite some time.

I've poked some – ahem – 'contacts' to get me access here from work, that'll be via a nonprivved account, I'll declare it, use a different password, and only request editor. For transparency I'll not be able to go via the secure interface - there will be data protection people trivially able to get the account password, so I can't use my 'crat/checkuser account.

Anyway, thanks to our newest(?) contributor again, sorry we seemed to clash; even if you're from WP, go through WN:ARTICLE. You might can come up with a better way to cite the pilot's note; I think the source template is inappropriate for stuff like that, it wasn't well enough verified, once a couple of mainstream sources start thinking its credible, then mention it (and back it up). Just, please, no "See also", keep that evil from Wikipedia outta here. Put it in external links. As now, a cut/paste from a downed site, it is a samizdat of a censored page, although local it should be under external... And a copy on Wikileaks too! --Brian McNeil / talk 17:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

What is the perpetrator's actual name?
I have found different results for this guy's name on about 100 different news websites. On here, it's Joseph Andrew Stack (III), but on Wikipedia, its Andrew Joseph Stack (III). Which one is it? A p3rson (talk) 20:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I found Andrew Joseph Stack (III) from the tax records on his house. The FAA registration says Joseph A. Stack. Whatever the FBI is using is probably correct. - Stillwaterising (talk) 17:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I've changed his name in Wikipedia and added redirects here for variations of name back to this article. I feel bad that we got it wrong in Wikipedia. Early on the tax records were found, which are a primary source, which had the name as Stack Andrew Joseph III. However, this tax record is an uninterpreted primary source and while other sources did not agree with this initial determination it did get changed until now. - Stillwaterising (talk) 17:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

New discussion here and a recent news article says that his name is Andrew Joseph Stack III. - Stillwaterising (talk) 07:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


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Joe's manifesto
Read it. It is enlightening.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html

An account of how a life was completely ruined and destroyed by The System. His philosophy is anti-tax anti-government individualism, and simultaneously anti-capitalist socialism.

 * We have that locally at Plane crashes into office block in Austin, Texas/suicide note so no need to leave Wikinews for these details. --SVTCobra 02:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


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Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik sentenced to four years in prison

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Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik was sentenced to four years in prison and three years of supervised release on Thursday after pleading guilty to eight felony charges. Among these were tax fraud and lying to Bush administration officials during his unsuccessful nomination for US Secretary of Homeland Security in 2004.

This sentence is contrary to a plea agreement made in November between Kerik's legal counsel and the prosecution. Per this accord, federal attorneys recommended a sentence of no longer than 33 months in prison, opposed to the 48 months that US District Judge Stephen Robinson (who was not bound to this agreement) chose to hand down instead.

"I think it's fair to say that with great power comes great responsibility and great consequences," Judge Robinson said upon sentencing. "I think the damage caused by Mr. Kerik is in some ways immeasurable."

"Today's sentencing of Bernard Kerik is one of the most powerful recent reminders that no one in this country is above the law," added US Attorney Preet Bharara.

Kerik, who was accompanied by his wife and three children, briefly addressed the court: "I make no excuses. I take full responsibility for the grave mistakes I've made. Believe me when I say I have learned from this and I have become and will continue to become a better person."

"I know I must be punished," he went on to say. "I only ask that you allow me to return to my wife and two little girls as soon as possible."

According to the New York City Department of Corrections, Kerik is slated to begin serving his sentence on May 17. Although the prosecution made clear their desire for Kerik to be imprisoned immediately, Judge Robinson allowed him to surrender himself later in the day so that he would have sufficient time to "get his affairs in order." Kerik has been awaiting sentencing under house arrest at his home in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey since November when said plea agreement was reached.

Kerik, a military veteran and undercover detective, was a trusted advisor to former US Attorney and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, for whom he worked for as a bodyguard and a driver.

Kerik later served as both corrections and police commissioner. His distinguished actions following the 2001 September 11th Attacks transformed him into a respected national figure. This earned him the praise of then-president George W. Bush, who in turn nominated him for the lead Homeland Security post. It was during the vetting process that Kerik's suspected ties to organized crime came out. This marked the beginning of his long fall from grace.

Outside the courthouse, Kerik gave a statement to the media and general public before being driven home: "I'd like to apologize to the American people for the mistakes I have made and for which I have just accepted responsibility. As history is written, I can only hope that I will be judged for the 30 years of service I have given to this country and the City of New York. It has not and will not diminish my love for this country."

Kerik's lawyer, when asked by The New York Times if they planned to appeal this sentence, simply replied, "No comment."


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Plane crashes into office block in Austin, Texas/suicide note

'''This is the online suicide letter authored by Andrew Stack, the man believed to be responsible for flying a light aircraft into a building in Austin, Texas. It was originally posted at Stack's site, http://embeddedart.com/. The hosting company, T35, took the site offline per an FBI request. The note is reproduced here in its entirety.'''

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than [sic] what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling [sic] from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

·     "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

·     "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

·     "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

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Fair use rationale

 * Suicide notes are often held to be exempt from copyright protections

 * This note is important from a historic perspective

 * As a historic document, it is required in full in order to fully appreciate the context behind any quotes

 * Since the FBI is forcing people into removing the letter, in violation of freedom of expression legislation, it is appropriate for Wikinews to maintain a local copy instead of relying on third-parties that may be intimidated into censorship.

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Will an admin please protect this page? I expect it to be a target of vandalism. - Stillwaterising (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I sighted it; I hope vandalism will not be so heavy that FlaggedRevs can't control it. We don't have to escalate through various templates, which helps; on Wikinews admins can block at their discretion. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I see that Wikinews uses a more advanced form of edit revision than Wikipedia making things like page protection unneeded. Thanks. - Stillwaterising (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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This page was created from an archived version of the original web page saved to my hard drive 1747 UTC 2010-02-18 and from no other sources. - Stillwaterising (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anybody know when this version was uploaded to T35 Hosting? - Stillwaterising (talk) 21:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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It would be nice to format this as a quotation but I don't know the syntax. -Stillwaterising (talk) 23:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

moving this to Wikisource?
Since suicide notes are considered to be exempt from copyright, would it be a good idea to move this to Wikisource? --Ixfd64 (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I think it remains appropriate for us to maintain a local copy, but I don't have a strong opinion on that. Wikisource may want a copy too. So will WikiLeaks, when they're back up and running. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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Tree car crash kills two in Oxfordshire, England

February 19, 2010

Two people have been killed as the result of a collision involving a vehicle crashing into a tree in Oxfordshire, England. The two occupants of the Subaru Impreza were four-year-old Bradley Eldridge and his father, 36-year-old Tony Eldridge, who was driving the vehicle. Both were thought to be from the village of Bicester.

The vehicle was travelling between the Oxfordshire villages of Bicester and Bucknell at around 20:15 GMT on Wednesday when it departed from the road and crashed into a tree. Both occupents of the car were declared dead at the scene of the collision.

A rapid response ambulance had been directed to the crash site, however, a spokesperson for the South Central Ambulance Service stated that "[s]adly, there was nothing that the crews could do." The spokesperson also commented that "[a]n adult male and a four-year-old child were declared dead at the scene and our crew was stood down."

A spokesperson for the Thames Valley Police was quoted as saying: "A police officer came across the vehicle while out on patrol. It was a significant impact and he immediately raised the alarm before going to the aid of the occupants. It is unclear at this stage when the accident happened but it is not believed to have been long before it was found."


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Hello. Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. Further vandalism may result in your account being blocked from editing without further notice. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Thank you. - PSD27 (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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Niger coup ousts president

February 19, 2010 The president of Niger, Tandja Mamadou, has been captured and imprisoned by a group of Nigerien soldiers under the name of "Supreme Council for the Restoration of Democracy" after an attack on the presidential palace late Thursday.

The Nigerien embassy in London has issued a statement saying that both the president and ministers in his company were "safe and well," although officials said that the company was most likely imprisoned in military barracks outside of Niamy.

According to an announcement by the representative of the group responsible for the coup, a Nigerien Army colonel, the country's constitution has been suspended and all government institutions have been dissolved. It is not clear who the leader of the coup is, although several military sources said that Major Adamou Harouna of the Nigerien Army was responsible.

The coup apparently took place during a cabinet meeting in the capitol building, and was preceded by a several-hour long gun battle in the capital, Niamy. The battle began at about 13:00 local time (12:00 UTC), ending about four hours later, with both foot soldiers and tanks involved, although no significant deployment of the military was reported. The morning after the battle, the streets were relatively quiet, and the only significant military presence is heavy artillery around the presidential palace.

The battle led to at least ten deaths, four of which were soldiers. The identities of those killed have not been released. Additionally, a curfew has been imposed, and the military has closed Niger's borders. Despite the crisis, the government has yet to release an official statement as to its status.

The actions of the military prompted condemnations of the coup from both the African Union and the nation of France, both of which called for negotiations to resolve the situation. The West African group of countries Ecowas has already dispatched a delegation to talk to the group responsible for the coup.

The coup came after an extended political crisis in which President Tandja has dissolved both the National Assembly and Niger's High Court, as well as extending his presidential term by three years, and removing all further limits on his term. These actions have led to increasing pressure against him and the government, culminating with a thousands-strong demonstration against the government last week.

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Talk:Tree car crash kills two in Oxfordshire, England

And just in case you're slightly confused, the Mail Online source spelt the village of Bucknell incorrectly. Bucknall could be one of three villages that are definitely not in Oxfordshire. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 23:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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Is "Tree car crash" common nomenclature in the UK? To me it sounds weird. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that too. I normally hear "Car crash into [a] tree" or something like that. -- Mike moral  ♪♫  02:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to use the active voice in the title. Sorry for any inconvenience. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 09:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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I think this is wonderful! It's great to have the support of a major NHLer like Laraque for the Green Party!


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Talk:Former US Vice President Dick Cheney: 'Barack Obama is a one-term President'

Review of revision 960539 [Passed]

 * He's not "Mr Cheney" - Wikinews does not use "Mr". --Brian McNeil / talk 06:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Obviously somebody knows nothing about the Tea Party movement
The article claims there is a movement to draft Cheney among the Tea Party crowd. What part of Dick Cheney's policies would appeal to the Tea Party, other than perhaps reduced domestic spending? He's a neocon, real Tea Partiers hate neoconservatism. He supports wiretapping and, shall we say, less-than-gentle interrogation methods. Tea Partiers can't stand those things. 206.74.5.136 (talk) 05:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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The guy fucking shot his hunting partner... He's obviously an expert on all things all.


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This is yet another example highlighting the need for the use of the meningococcal, pneumoncoccal and HIB vaccines. This article does not specify what type of meningitis the patient had, but most likely, it was vaccine preventable. So, get vaccinated to prevent bacterial meningitis and it's devastating complications, which include septicemia, organ failure, brain injury, and death. Immunize (talk) 00:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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This image needs a fair-use rationale. --SVTCobra 00:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It has one - Publicity. There was a discussion about allowing that template as a boilerplate FU to appropriate images; I believe consensus was in favour. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 01:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Has anyone contacted http://billyeli.com to request that the image be released under a free license? --Ixfd64 (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * W-H-A-T?. No. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm thinking about asking the author to relicense this image, and doing the same for Echelon office building.jpg. However, I'm concerned that doing this so soon would be considered insensitive. Perhaps I should wait a few days? --Ixfd64 (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to ask them to relicense, I'd say in a couple of years - if at all. Frankly, the whole idea is kinda nuts when most other media will say, "we're gonna claim fair use and they can waste millions suing". Asking to relicense is opening their eyes to a potential to be litigious when we're talking about an indisputably newsworthy image that was - at one time - put out as a publicity photo. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair use under the grounds of HE IS DEAD AND WE CANT FLIPPING GO TAKE ANOTHER PICTURE OF HIM. Seriously, why are we even talking about this. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 22:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Sorry for going off topic, but I found a free alternative to Echelon office building.jpg on Flickr. I was going to upload it to Commons, but another user beat me to it. :) --Ixfd64 (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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And Obama shot the economy :).--KDP3 (talk) 01:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:Tree car crash kills two in Oxfordshire, England/WHY DO UK'ERS KEEP POSTING NON-RELEVANT INFORMATION ON THE CURRENT EVENTS PAGE?

Every time there is a little car crash that kills a couple people, or a single insignificant case of molestation in the UK,etc- Somebody insists on posting there relatively INSIGNIFICANT stories on the "current events page". WHY? I'm sick and tired of seeing this UNIMPORTANT AND LOCAL stories posted on what is supposed to be an current events page.

Over the last year I've read dozens and dozens of EXTREMELY MINOR stories posted by UK'ers on this page. I click to read them, thinking there may be some interesting fact or reason this is on the CURRENT EVENTS PAGE.

People die everyday in car crashes, kids are molested, THIS HAPPENS EVERY DAY. This is not news. Please to all those from the UK and europe, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING THIS PAGE WITH INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL.

Some of this stuff wouldn't even make it to the local news if it happened where i live.


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Is it news? Somewhere, yes. Is news a "Current event"? Yes. Is it in fact located in the United Kingdom? Yes. So... yea, seems like it is the right stuff in the right place.


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I would ignore this user. They clearly know nothing about Wikinews. We don't even have a current events page.


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One of the misc bots imports it to Wikpedia. I'm sure they wandered over to bitch about the bot.


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Ha! That was a funny little rant there. Californian car crashes make the local news daily.


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Your argument is poor. This is the internet, international. This kind of stuff belongs on clickondetroit.com, not on a general current events page.

If everybody posted these kind of stories, from all over the world- one would have to sift through numerous irrelevant articles in order to find important ones.

The very reason i reason wiki-current events is for that reason. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD TODAY- IN A NUTSHELL.


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That's no excuse


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You're still on the wrong website.


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Lean off the capslock, and post a logical suggestion. Someone might listen to you. Until then, you're just a raving madman out front of the train station shouting "The end is near!"


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"one of the bots imported it to wikipedia"

THEN FIX IT! It obviously doesn't belong. How can you call me an idiot?


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It isn't broken, and even if it was, it isn't our bot, doesn't edit on our site and isn't our problem.


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I posted a very simple question. Why is irrelevant local news on the current events page? It's the same as spamming.

Logical Suggestion: Don't post unimportant local news on a world news page.


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What would you call "news?" Anything can be thought of as local.


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No where on this page have you been called an idiot. Also, it was my guess of what you were talking about. But you are a raving lunatic who wont settle the hell down and explain himself rationally. So of course we're not gonna fix it, the only thing broken here is you.


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How the hell is that spamming? It's all news. News from the East Coast (of the US) is irrelevant to me.


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And we have posted very simple answers, which you are ignoring. Disruptively. Rather like a troll, in fact.


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But you said it was a page for news on the United Kingdom? This happened in the UK so it is local to the UK.


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Besides MY CAPSLOCK out of irritation, i feel that my argument is completely rational. I just wanted whoever posted this story to think about whether it belongs on a current events page.

And c'mon, 10 replies in 10 minutes- we are all clearly insane.


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This user has earned himself a 15 minute timeout.


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It's a bot that imports stories on Wikipedia, not I nor any other human.

Didn't someone say that?


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Still wrong website. We still don't have a current events page.


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Wrong country
Its Nigerien, not Nigerian. The coup took place in Niger, not Nigeria. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Your 100% right. I just noticed that too. PSD27 (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that. That was a rather major error. :-8 Tempodivalse [talk]  16:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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Just a comment from an uninvolved user (if the IP address is still around after all this): There is nothing in our policies that prevents us from writing about current events (See in particular the content guidelines, which basically say "News must be relevant" - which is generally interpreted broadly - no mention prohibiting local stories as long as they are explained properly for a global audience). I'm personally of the opinion that we should focus more on major international stories - as that likely would attract more readers - but we still allow local reporting.


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More like Bush shot it and handed Obama the dead carcass.


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The economy's been in decline since the 80's when the american business thought we could fully support ourselves on a service based economy and decided it would be a good idea to shut down production here. morons.


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Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot

February 19, 2010

On the popular social networking website Facebook, various groups commemorating disgruntled pilot Joseph Andrew Stack were formed on Thursday evening. Earlier that day, in what has been described as an act of "domestic terrorism," Stack intentionally crashed his small passenger plane into an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office building in Austin, Texas. Stack is one of two reported fatalities; the other is an IRS employee.

On the information page of the first group named "The Joe 'Take My Pound Of Flesh' Stack Anti-IRS Fan Page," one administrator wrote, "[This page is] dedicated to a man, frustrated as so many of us are with our corrupt, inept government, sacrificed his life to make a statement. Will history see him as a patriot or terrorist? Depends on who is doing the writing." This particular group had approximately 250 members.

Another group called "The Philosophy of Joe Stack" apparently came out against the attack, yet sympathized with its reasons: "This page is NOT to glorify his actions, but simply to say that after reading his note, we can agree with...Joe Stacks' thoughts." However, one member went as far to suggest that the United States "need[ed] a revolution" and "voting for a Democrat or a Republican is not revolutionary, it is big business as usual."

A third group titled "Joseph Andrew Stack, we salute thee" was supposedly against violence towards others. One administrator did write, "We hope that everyone is okay and accounted for. It is our belief that his intention was not to hurt anyone, but just to prove a point."

On the wall of a fourth group, known simply as "Joseph Andrew Stack," creator Emily Walters of, Kentucky, wrote: "Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the constitution and is[sic] turned its back on its founding fathers and the beliefs this country was founded on." "That so many have already contributed to Facebook page[s] as 'fans' of this terrorist attack on public servants is a truly appalling expression of extremism, which Americans will overwhelmingly reject," Democratic Congressman Lloyd Doggett of Texas told The Politico regarding the creation and subsequent growth of said pages.

Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities says that its users are prohibited from "post[ing] content that is hateful, threatening, pornographic, or that contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence." Facebook has decided that it would be appropriate under said policy to delete these four groups.


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It's a discussion worth having.


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I think he was a tea partier more or less, even though some of his opinions were left of Tea Party standard. That being said, this is what happens when a movement goes around preaching revolution - they wind up with the nuts taking them too literally. :-/


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Thoughts? Is it possible? End of the world scenario?


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Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot

Taxation is theft
The guy calling attacks on public servants extremist, would he be cry if someone murdered mafia accountants? They aren't out killing people, they are probably just guys with familys to feed, but that doesnt change the fact that they are part of the infrastructure of an evil entity and if they are killed for what they do no one crys for them. The same can be said of public servants. The fact that they are paid in tax dollars (stolen money by virtue of being taxes), it means every public servant is paid in blood money. Every public servant knows full well that their paychecks are tax dollars; and all taxation is theft; therefore all public servants are nothing but thieves. They are no different than the minions of any tyrannical state, whether Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, Chavez's Venezuala or Mugabes Zimbabwe.
 * (Added header for LQT compatibility)—is taxation really theft? Tax money is used to keep the country running. Schools, hospitals, and even businesses would not exist without money, and the only way for a government to get money is through tax. Every government does it out of necessity. Can you think of a better way for them to make money? If so, I'm sure Mr Obama will come knocking on your door any minute with an offer of a six-figure salary. Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 16:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you haven't paid your taxes, Obama will also be offering you a six-figure salary. 206.74.5.136 (talk) 02:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Don't try to discuss with him, he's an American. They won't only not know the definition of Tyrannical state, but can't even spell Venezuela right nor have any thought on their mind for more than 4 seconds. --190.226.50.130 (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The above comment is from an Argentine, most of whom support fascist states. 71.107.141.50 (talk) 03:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


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Two completely and utterly inept fools? Yea, end of the world. Fortunately it'll never happen. Hell. McCain had a fighting chance (not a great one, but a chance) at '08 elections... except for Palin. She single handedly destroyed his campaign for him.


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Thread:Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot/What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?

"hateful, threatening, pornographic, or that contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence."

Yeah I'm just a little confused into what realm Facebook believe this guys actions fell into. The closed groups were not furthering violent attacks, and only 1 of them was commending his actions. Of the 3 remaining they seemed to just be applauding or siding with his thinking and reasoning behind his attack, after reading his message I too could sympathise with him and, to a degree, even agree with his thoughts.

Seems like Facebook are jumping the gun on this one in banning the groups.


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Thread:Comments:ITV fined A$3000 for cruelty to rat on "I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here!"/Really?/reply (15)

i am too lazy to compile a list of cooking shows that feature lobster, softshell crab.... that are "alive and kicking" - but seriously, do you watch cooking shows?


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A monster and a retard?

Fucks sake America. Obama has put you on the path towards becoming more civilised and you want to go back to being a religious nation?

Fucking yanks.


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Of course, it would have helped if you too had read the earlier discussion as in to the justification (or lack thereof) of the charges. Your analogy falls flat when you see what facts haven't been properly reported.


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I assume the "fatal brain disease" you are referring to is progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, a degeneritive and often fatal brain disorder caused by reactivation of the JC virus, a virus that is harmless unless a person is immunosuppressed, which can occur from chemotherapy, other immunosuppressent drugs such as the drug in question, and AIDS. Given the dismal prognosis for the disease (80% of patients are dead in six months) I feel that the drug should be withdrawn from the market. Now, as of 2010, at least 35 cases of the disease have occured in patients taking tysabri.


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Thread:Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot/What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?/reply

I believe they are only guidelines, and that groups can be removed at Facebook's discretion. I would say hateful fits the best of the reasons listed above, but some of the groups could also have been construed as threatening.


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Golfer Tiger Woods delivers apology speech

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American golfer Tiger Woods delivered a speech on Friday where he apologized for his recently publicized marital infidelities. Before an audience of the press, family, and friends, Mr. Woods admitted that he did indeed have a. He said that he would one day return to golf, although he did not specify when.

In his speech, he said that he had not been assaulted by his wife,, on November 27, 2009, as was speculated in the media, and the injuries he sustained were due to a car accident. He said that his wife "deserves praise, not blame."

He scolded the media for the attention they were bringing to his family and friends saying "please leave my wife and kids alone." He was very angry at who followed his daughter to school, then releasing the school's name and address.

After his speech, the stock price of companies which sponsored Woods rose on average 3% compared to the which only rose about 0.35%. These companies include Nike,, and among others. Also, CBS Sports expects to lose over US$200 million in ad revenue due to the drop in viewers.


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 * Tiger woods is addicted to sex like I'm addicted to ice cream. I enjoy it, and due to the level of my wealth, it's readily available to me. February 19, 2010
 * I knew this would happen. It's just a matter of time because he starts doing other things. Keep an eye open.


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Hateful, probably. Threatening on a secondary note. Could claim that the groups were sponsoring domestic terrorism or some such non-sense.


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First, I do believe all participants in this conversation were saying that that was a "bad thing". Secondarily, that was uncalled for.


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Remember, it is at Facebook's discretion. In other words, they have the right to delete anything they feel like, provided they claim they felt it came under these options.


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Thread:Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot/What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?/reply (4)

The only guidelines they really need to pay attention to is how the users feel. This seems like something that whips Facebook users into a whiny frenzy. Expect cries of "free speech". Yeah, anyway, Facebook can do whatever it wants... sort of. I just realized that if they deleted groups pertaining to gay rights they might lose a rather hefty lawsuit. So yes, Facebook has the right to do whatever they want on their site, except sometimes that it infringes upon other rights.

So no, they simultaneously don't have the right to do this. The proof lies with whomever wins the biggest lawsuits. I LOVE DEMOCRA - I MEAN LOBBYCRACY


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Flooding RC
Your XeBot is somewhat flooding Recent Changes. Is there some way it can be temporarily rate-limited, and proposed for a bot flag? The rate limiting will allow people to assess if it is functioning reliably without checking hundreds of changes, and once it has the bot flag that won't be a problem. There are other issues - such as having the "Big Red Switch" on the bot's talk page so it can be blocked if it goes crazy. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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As someone listed as having an active bot I would like to draw your attention to the following issue. This may not affect you unless your bot edits sighted pages - eg in the Template namespace - but as a bot operator your input is likely to be better informed. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Thread:Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot/What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?/reply (5)

I can think of no obvious reason why anyone could sue Facebook over this. The only right it infringes is free speech, which does not apply on Facebook since they have the right to remove content on their own service.


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User talk:Peaceworld111

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Howdy, you may find the style guide a good read. — μ 16:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Ahmadiyya
Hi! For perspective: Our current practice is to wait before creating a category until we've got several published articles that would go into it. We're much more demanding than that about creating a portal. --Pi zero (talk) 16:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Understood. But what about other portals and categories like Category:Ayyavazhi and Category:Bahai Faith and Portal:Bahá'í Faith.Peaceworld111 (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's fair to say there are still some hidden here and there that ought to be deleted. Every so oftenw e stumble accross a few more that somehow slip the net. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thread:Comments:Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot/What part of Facebook's TOS did the removal fall under?/reply (6)

Technically, you don't even have the "Right" of free speech. By using Facebook, you agree to their T&C's. Freedom of speech and press applies to your own, not via another service. Same as it always has been with newspapers. You can write up a flier and post it saying what ever the hell you please, but if you request a newspaper run it, they can turn you do. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 22:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


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Court ruling upholds expulsion of New York Senator convicted of assault

February 19, 2010

A U.S. federal judge upheld the expulsion of former New York State Senator Hiram Monserrate from the New York State Senate in a ruling on Friday. Monserrate had been found guilty in October of misdemeanor assault, in the criminal trial involving an alleged attack on his girlfriend Karla Giraldo.

Monserrate was expelled from the New York State Senate last week by a majority vote of his fellow senators. The result of the vote was 53 to 8 in favor of expulsion.

Federal judge William H. Pauley III denied a request to temporarily block the expulsion. A lawsuit had been filed by Monserrate, which had asked for a reversal of the former Senator's explusion and in addition sought a block on a March 16 special election for a replacement.

The New York Civil Liberties Union supported Monserrate in the case. The former Senator argued that the act of being expelled from the Senate was not appropriate, as he claimed it violated due process.

Judge Pauley ruled, "the question of who should represent the 13th Senatorial District is one for the voters, not for this court." The judge explained that the voting rights of the citizens of the district formerly represented by Monserrate would not be significantly negatively impacted, due to the proximity of the upcoming special election. Monserrate has stated that he will run in the special election, and he is not prohibited from doing so.

The court's ruling determined that the expulsion by the New York State Senate was not inappropriate, stating, "the power of a body to determine the fitness of its members is embedded in American democracy." Judge Pauley noted, "Similar processes to discipline have long existed in deliberative bodies at all levels of government."

New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo issued a statement in support of the judge's ruling. "We are gratified that the Court has confirmed our position that the Senate had the authority to expel Mr. Monserrate," said the Attorney General. According to The New York Times, Monserrate was expected to appeal the ruling of the court.

Monserrate's misdemeanor assault conviction pertained to an incident where he dragged his girlfriend through the lobby while exiting his apartment building. He was acquitted by a judge of charges of felony assault. Felony conviction would have resulted in an immediate expulsion from the New York State Senate.

Monserrate is the first politician to be expelled from the New York State Senate in almost a century. He is a former New York City police officer. Prior to becoming a member of the New York State Senate, he was a city councilman. He became a member of the New York State Senate weeks after the alleged conflict with Giraldo, and was made chair of the committee overseeing consumer affairs. Along with Democrat Pedro Espada Jr., Monserrate started a shift in control of the Senate by aligning with the Republican Party.


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Thread:Comments:Court ruling upholds expulsion of New York Senator convicted of assault/Curious

I was surprised when the only description of the assault was that he "dragged her through the lobby" - Emergency_doctor_testifies_in_NY_State_Sen._Hiram_Monserrate_felony_assault_case and Police_describe_bloody_evidence_in_NY_Sen._Monserrate_assault_trial both mentioned injury, caused by a broken glass. This article doesn't explicitly mention that he beat the felony charges that would have been associated with that assault, only making allusions to what could have happened if he'd been convicted on felony charges, and doesn't explain why he was at risk of a felony conviction. I'm not sure if this is something that maybe belongs on the Talk page or not, since if he did beat the felony then as far as the law is concerned, he didn't stab her with a broken glass; although Wikinews isn't a court.