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US presidential candidate Duncan Hunter speaks to Wikinews

January 2, 2008 is an American politician who has been a Republican member of the since 1981 from California's 52nd congressional district in northern and eastern. It was previously numbered the 42nd District from 1981 to 1983 and then the 45th District from 1983 to 1993. Hunter was the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee during the 109th Congress. Hunter is currently seeking the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States. Below is David Shankbone's interview with the Congressman.

Running for President
'''How do you handle juggling running the Presidential campaign, acting as a Congressman, and as a husband?

 * DH: It all works out well.  I just talked to my wife, who is campaigning in Wyoming right now.  She’s in Casper; I just saw her a couple of nights ago and I came back here [to Washington D.C.] for the votes [on the Defense Bill].  Our son just came back from Afghanistan on Thanksgiving.  He’s a U.S. Marine and finished his third tour there in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We’re all doing well.  We’re all blessed and having a great campaign season.

'''Do you ever at night say to yourself, “I can’t believe I am finding the energy for another day of this.”

 * DH: No, actually, listen, most of this stuff is done in air conditioning.  [Laughs]

'[Laughs''] That can’t help the sleep deprivation, though.

 * DH: Listen, I was looking out the window of the Capitol and I saw two guys laying pipeline across Independence Avenue and I thought all I have to do is straighten my tie and make another speech.

'''Good point.

 * DH: It’s a lot of fun, it’s a privilege and we’re having a great time.  It’s a wonderful family endeavor.  I think we’re getting our message out, too:  strong national defense, enforce our borders;  we’ve got the other guys talking about border enforcement and building my border fence.  Also, we’re talking about bringing back high-paying manufacturing jobs that we pushed off to China with bad trade deals.  Also the need to keep this country strong militarily.  I think it’s a strong message, and I think the message is catching hold well.

Immigration and the U.S.-Mexico border fence
'''Presumably the primary reason one typically gives to run for President is because they think they can win and do some good things for the country, but would you say the second reason after that is for a chance to frame the debate on the issues?

 * DH: Certainly.  I think you do that every day, so you’re accomplishing something every day of the campaign, which is getting your message out.  For example, I built the border fence in San Diego and I wrote the law that the President signed last October 26 a year ago to extend the border fence——854 miles across,  and .  Across the smuggling corridors in those states.  So every day we work that issue and energize the American people to build the fence, which is now the law.  Every time we get that agenda to complete the border fence picked up by the other candidates, we are accomplishing something.  We’re moving the ball down the field.

'''The is seen by many as divisive in an area that is far more explosive than the -U.S. border. How do you respond to people who say that a fence is more symbolic of divisiveness than a resolution of the issues that cause ?

 * DH: Actually, I think the fence has received the approval of people who live on both sides of the border in my community, because before we built that border fence in San Diego—I don’t know if you read the book Lines and Shadows, that was a best-selling book by, who wrote —it was about the no-mans land that existed between  before we built that fence.  You had , some of them with machine guns, that preyed on the illegal aliens, murdered a number of people, robbed people by the hundreds every night, and they preyed on people not only on the northern side, but in the  neighborhoods.  When we built the double border fence, we took away the mobility of the border gangs, put them out of business, and we actually brought about a much better situation for people on both sides of the border.

'''Is a fence the remedy for that, or is finding a remedy for the needs and causes of those gangs and for the illegal migration of people a remedy?

 * DH: Let me put it this way: until we built the border fence, nothing worked.  We had  operations on both sides of the border, and the gangs ran wild.  They used the border as a safe haven.  If they were pursued in the north, they’d go south; if they were pursued in the south, they’d go north.  So until we built the double fence—it’s two fences with a road between—and we took away the mobility of the border gangs, we weren’t able to handle that.  So actually there wasn’t another remedy.  There’s another reason that we need to have one, and that’s this: today we have 250,000 criminal aliens, mostly people who came across from Mexico, not to look for work or for a better life, but to hurt Americans.  People who created and committed serious crimes against Americans.  250,000 of those folks right now in federal, state and local penitentiaries and jails.  Unless you have—

'''What were they coming here to do?

 * DH: Well, they came across to hurt people!  Those people didn’t come across to find job, they came across to commit crimes, got convicted, and are presently residing in our penitentiaries and jails.  That’s a quarter of a million criminal aliens.

'''Where did they come from?

 * DH: Mostly Mexico.  The vast majority came from Mexico and last time I looked 27% of the federal penitentiary population are criminal aliens.  So there is a large criminal contingent that moves back and forth across the border, and we pay $3 billion a year to incarcerate those folks.  One year’s incarceration costs would build a thousand miles of border fence.  That’s another reason why you have to have a real border.  The other aspect is that we have the biggest open door in the world, that is the biggest front door, the legal immigration system is very liberal in this country and very open, so it is only appropriate that when people want to come into this country, they knock on the front door.

Concentrating the political power in Congressional redistricting
''' You were originally elected as part of the Reagan Revolution and you came from a historically competitive district—

 * DH: Actually a non-competitive ; it was 2 to 1 .  It was so noncompetitive that  announced two weeks before the election that it was so Democrat that  couldn’t beat him! [Laughs]

''' But you won! So it sounds competitive.

 * DH: Well, it wasn’t competitive until 1980.

'''Districts nationwide have become solidly leaning toward one party or another. Do you think that since our districts are being drawn in ways—and both parties do this—in ways that ensure one party wins, do you think that hurts our democracy?

 * DH: Well, actually, it’s always happened since the original  by Governor  of Massachusetts, which they named the Gerry Salamander and then the Gerrymander.  The district I ran in had been gerrymandered by the Democrats of the legislature to be heavily Democrat; I was just able to win it.  You have the same thing now.  You have very polarized seats, but it’s not much different than it was in 1980.  In fact, it’s no difficult at all.

' that districts have'' become more concentrated, that the votes have become more lopsided toward one party, whereas it used to be more that you would find percentages of 47/53, whereas now it is 60/40 or 65/35. You consistently win more than 60-70% of the vote in your district.

 * DH: Yeah, well, that’s true, but that’s what the old guy used to get in my district in 1980.

''' But then they changed it.

 * DH: Yeah, but my point is that the district was actually moved—the Democrat legislature actually cut my house out and moved it around and moved it into East County with a narrow connector.  SO I have always been subject to the Democrat party controlling redistricting in California.  They have done what is most expeditious for the party.

''' Don’t you think this is a problem we have in the country with both parties doing it?

 * DH: Well, they have always done it.  I guess my point is that it’s the same as it has always been.  There have been a  in which referendums have been offered by the minority party, for example in California, to make redistricting more even, and those initiatives have always been the subject of mass media campaigns by the controlling party, and you’ve usually lost.  So you end up in the end with the elective representatives of the party sometimes overseen by the judiciary, because you end up with judicial panels redistricting if there is a defective redistricting by the state legislature, but in the end the elected representatives of the states are the people who draw the lines.  I don’t know what a valid substitute would be for the elected representatives of the state.  I say that as a guy coming from a state that is dominated by the opposite party that tries to do my party in.  On the other hand, those districts are drawn by people who have been elected by the majority of Californians.  I like the idea of having judicial panels redistrict the states, but I think in the end under this democratic system we have, having the elected representatives do the redistricting is the way it has been done in the past and the way it is going to be done in the future.

Iran and nuclear capabilities
''' The came out that Iran has not had a nuclear weapons program in years, but the  has been warning us that Iran is a threat. Do you think these two pieces of information hurt our international standing?

 * DH: No, I don’t.  First, I think the National Intelligence Estimate, which I have seen in classified and unclassified form, is flat-out wrong.  Because a major part of a weapons program is the production of .  You presently have 2,952  refining  in, which is three times as many centrifuges as our intelligence service has estimated until an actual inspection was made by the IAEA.

''' But the IAEA and Mohamed ElBaradei have also come out and said that the National Intelligence Estimate jibes with their findings.

 * DH: What I’m saying is that the facts  don’t support the facts as alleged—or represented by this last inspection—don’t’ support the conclusion that there is not a weapons program being undertaken.  A major part of a nuclear device is the, which constitutes the explosive matter in a .  If that’s a major part of the bomb, right now you have almost 3,000 centrifuges producing that material right now in , Iran, and not only haven’t they slowed down, but they have been increased to three times our former estimate and they are going—according to the last inspection—full bore.  So if somebody is telling you they are disarming, the next question you want to ask them is, “Then why are your ammunition factories still in production?”

''' Isn’t that just conjecture?

 * DH: No, it’s not conjecture at all.  Natanz has been—the arms teams have been there and they have counted the centrifuges and they are operating at full speed.

''' But there is no evidence that they are making any weapons with them, correct?

 * DH: No, they are producing the powder, the explosive material that is used in a nuclear device, which is the most difficult part to obtain.  So they are proceeding at full pace with a part of a nuclear device.  So the question to ask the Iranian is, “Why are you doing this?”  There is no good answer.  I think it is misleading to say they have stopped .  They haven’t stopped that part of it.

Terrorism: the greatest threat to humanity
''' What do you think is the greatest threat to humanity?

 * DH: The production or the securing of a weapon of mass destruction.  There are several species of threats, but I would say in terms of the war against terrorist—

''' You think terrorism is the greatest threat to humanity?

 * DH: No, I’m going to give you several broad categories, and then I want to give you a sub-category.  But if look at the terrorist threat, which I think right now is perhaps the greatest imminent threat that we have, the securing of a nuclear device or another weapon of mass destruction, and its detonation in a large population center,

I think that’s the greatest—

''' Are you for nuclear non-proliferation, then?

 * DH: Well, I’m for nuclear non-proliferation to terrorist groups, and for technology control.

''' What is technology control?

 * DH: It means controlling the subsystems that can be utilized to develop a weapon of mass destruction.  You have technology control with respect to chemical and biological weapons, but also nuclear weapons.  So you have a regime that includes the nuclear suppliers group, you have several international constructs to keep those systems from getting into the wrong hands.  So technology control is a very important aspect of securing and preventing the acquisition of nuclear weapons capability by a terrorist group or a terrorist state.

''' Do you think we should begin entering into agreements with other countries to disarm the nuclear arsenal worldwide?

 * DH: No, I don’t think the United States should eliminate our nuclear arsenal because I think that manifests a deterrent against others who might move aggressively against the United States at some point, or might move aggressively against our allies.  I think there is a deterrent factor to having a nuclear weapons capability for the United States, which I would describe as a responsible nuclear state.  Nor do I worry about Great Britain’s, nor do I worry about France’s.  But what I would do is everything possible to prevent a regime with nuclear technology from falling into the hands of those who would use it irresponsibly, and that would include of course Iran, obvious North Korea, which has some nuclear devices, and other countries.

''' It seems like it is a difficult thing to argue that we have nuclear arms, but other sovereign nations can’t have them.

 * DH: Yeah, I think that would have to fall under the category of the real world.  You don’t want to have countries which have what I would call non-stable leadership, or anti-American leadership, developing the means to kill large numbers of Americans.  That may not seem fair, that’s not Marquis of Queensbury rules, but it’s in the interest of the United States.

''' Does it not worry you that governments can change quickly? You had Shah Pahlavi, who was very pro-Western for a long time, overthrown in Iran. President Musharraf in Pakistan, which now has nuclear weapons, is also unstable with his hold on power and has nuclear capabilities.

 * DH: Yes, but I think in both those cases you will see that we did not give nuclear weapons capability to either one of them, and would very much prefer they didn’t have it.  So I agree with you, but I want to remind you that we haven’t given and we have been very much against nuclear proliferation to those states.

The United Nations
''' You are a critic of the United Nations and it would seem like out of any foreign body that is positioned to assume global leadership on this issue, it would be the UN. Do you think it is wise to take an antagonistic view of that body when it seems necessary to have the global cooperation it embodies?

 * DH: Well, I’m not antagonistic toward the United Nations as much as I am realistic about the United Nations.  I think the United Nations is good, as I have said, for inoculating babies and for operating refugee camps and refugee centers, but they should not be relied upon by the United States for our security, and I think that has been proven time and time again.  So the United States needs to have independently the means for maintaining its security.

''' One of the things you said was, “Rest assured no treaty that infringes the sovereignty of the United States…”

 * DH: You said you saw a quote that said ‘a trip to the waste basket’?  That’s not a…

''' That’s not an accurate quote?

 * DH: I like what you said, but that’s not a phrase I generally use, but I am not supportive of the United Nations for U.S. security.

''' If you’re concerned about infringing on the sovereignty of the United States, but the concern doesn’t extend for the sovereignty of other countries, how do you form a foreign policy principle that doesn’t make it seem the concern is only what is good for us?

 * DH: Listen, I need to go to a conference right now, can I call you back?

[Break for Congressman Hunter to attend a conference]
''' Hi Congressman Hunter. How was the meeting?

 * DH: Very good.  We wrapped up the defense conference.  That was with Senator Kennedy and Senator Levin, and they agreed to take the hate crimes bill off the defense bill, so we are going to move it forward and pass it, so it was good news.

''' That happens a lot where they put disparate bills together in the hopes of moving them together. What are some of the positives and what are some of the negatives of doing that?

 * DH: We do pass out-of-scope legislation in the defense bill sometimes; but the problem is putting in legislation that wouldn’t pass independently.  The downside is passing legislation that probably wouldn't pass or wouldn't be signed by the President otherwise.

School prayer
'''You support school prayer?

 * DH: Yeah, I support folks having a place where young people can go to have a quiet time after their substantive activities and have a prayer.

'''Not a school mandated prayer?

 * DH: Not a state-enacted prayer.

'''More a moment of silence?

 * DH: Not a moment of silence, but having a place where young people can go and prayer and still having that availability to do that.

Pornography
''' You sponsored the Parents Empowerment Act--

 * DH: I wrote it.  I was the original author of it.

''' That Act would allow parents or guardians to sue in federal court anyone that disseminates material harmful to minors.

 * DH: Yeah, pornographic material that hurts young people.  That's one way to get to people that put out dirty images.  The key is that if they disseminate it in a way they can expect minors to see it, then they should be held liable for the damages of that material.  I came to that conclusion after watching the FCC operate in a very very haphazard and sluggish manner, very rarely responding to complaints.  And very under-manned even if they did respond energetically to complaints.  It gives parents the ability to hold pornographers liable for the damage to their children.  That's the only way you are going to stop them, to hit them in their pocketbook because they obviously don't care about the children.  They just care about their pocketbook.

''' Can you explain how that does not limit free speech, especially on the Internet?

 * DH: Yes, certainly.  Free speech, for example--nobody disagrees that somebody has a right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater; we all agree on that.  And nobody has the right to put pornographic literature in front of children or in the public, and from my perspective, that should be an actionable right that parents would have.  It empowers parents to go after people who are putting filth in front of their children, and to hit these people where they live, which is in their savings account or their check book.

''' What about a pornographic website?

 * DH: Absolutely it would stop a pornographic website, if it is put out in a way that children should reasonably be expected to see it, it should be banned.  I think this: the trauma that is caused by young kids--and studies show now that a fairly substantial amount of young children are exposed to pornographic websites now--just sighing and saying that's life in modern America, well I think we should keep it from happening.

''' Are there any studies that show it actually harms children?

 * DH: Oh, absolutely!  That pornography harms children, there's lots of studies.  Don't you think pornography harms children?

''' I've spent time in Europe, and I have spent time here. It depends on what you are saying pornography is. For instance, in Europe women are allowed to be bare-chested on the beach or in some places on television. It doesn't seem to harm children there.

 * DH: If you've seen some stuff on the websites, it's much worse than that.  You're aware of that.

''' Sure, but what is the bar for pornography, then?

 * DH: I think that is a matter of judgment and the court is going to have to make the judgment whether that is pornography or not.  That has always been a question of fact.  Once it is established and once a community--jurors--agree that it is pornography, that it has harmed children, then the people who spread it are going to be held accountable.  You have to be held accountable for what you throw out in front of children.

''' Would a website with a message at the front saying that a user confirms they are over 18 before they enter the site, would that be sufficient?

 * DH: I think that's a question of fact for the jury.  They are going to have to decide whether the key element in the Parents Empowerment Act, which is whether or not the purveyor of the pornography could reasonably expect children to see it.  It might be argued to the jury that there are movies which put restricted labels and don't go with the General Audience label because it actually intrigues young people and sometimes has proven to draw higher attendance if you have a label that implies there is something risque in the movie.  You've seen that.  Movie makers avoid the General Audience label.

''' They also try to avoid the X label.

 * DH: It depends on what the case is and what the jury believes.  If the jury believes it was truly put in there in a way that the purveyor of the pornographic image set up his site to attract children, then he is going to be liable.  But it's a question of fact.

Gay Marriage
''' Do you consider yourself States Rights?

 * DH: I think so.  I think that's a general philosophy.  Federalism.  I don't think it's absolute; I think there are some issues in which the country as a nation has an interest.

''' Why would you support the Federal Marriage Amendment if you are for States Rights?

 * DH: Because of what I just told you.  I think that states rights are important, but there are some issues in which the nation as a community has an interest, and of course the Marriage Act, one of the fears has been if you end up with one or two states that support homosexual marriage, what you'll end up doing is producing a flow of people going to a particular state, receiving their marriage license in that state, and then due to the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution, having those marriages recognized in the state where the marriage is banned.

''' Doesn't DOMA prevent that? The Defense of Marriage Act?

 * DH: Well, if you end up with a federal act that prohibits it--that's what I'm saying, if you prohibit it on a national basis in a Constitutional Amendment or on a federal act, then you eliminate the process of having one or two states generating homosexual marriages and then demanding they be recognized under the Full Faith and Credit Clause.  Do you understand what I'm saying?  If you have one state that allows it, then you have a recognition requirement of the other states.

''' But didn't DOMA prevent that? Massachusetts currently has gay marriage. So didn't DOMA prevent that from happening?

 * DH: Prevent what from happening?

''' Prevent a swell of people going to Massachusetts and getting married, and then taking their marriage to another state that bans it and forcing them to recognize it?

 * DH: What's your point?  I think that's good.  That it does prevent it.

''' So do you no longer support amending the Constitution is my question.

 * DH: No, I think it has still yet to be fully decided as to whether a few states can at some point basically become proliferators, if you will, of non-traditional marriage.  Here's my position:  If it is necessary to amend the Constitution, then I think we will need to do it.  I think you need to have a Defense of Marriage on a uniform basis in all fifty states.  What it takes, in terms of satsifying the federal courts to do that, should be done.  So if it is required that it is necessary to have an amendment to the Constitution to do that, I would support that.  But doing what it takes to have a uniform treatment to defend traditional marriage across all the states.

''' Essentially you would want to revoke Massachusetts' ability to have gay marriage?

 * DH: Yes.

''' So that would be anti-States rights to a degree?

 * DH: Well, that's your argument.  But my point is that when I said I'm for states rights, I'm also for recognizing the fact that there are some issues in which the nation has an interest.

''' Why do you think gay marriage is one of those issues?

 * DH: I think that's a center piece, the most important institution in our country, is the marriage.  The traditional marriage.  Its most important role is as the protector of children.  I think central to the American family, which is the most central institution in the country, is the marriage between a man and a wife.  I think we need to elevate that traditional marriage.  Support it, promote it, elevate it.  Not devalue it.

''' How does gay marriage devalue marriage?

 * DH: I think that it devalues it by rendering it less than what it was, by making it something that is not a function of the Judeo-Christian tradition, which most of our laws are built on.

''' Although we are not a Christian nation--

 * DH: As you start to devalue the traditional marriage, people would ask why can't it simply be a contract between a number of people?  What's special about two people?  What's special about a man and a wife?  I think there is something special about a man and a wife, and in a way the traditional marriage is different than many institutions.  It is not a governmentally-formed institution.  It is an institution that has a religious element to it.  It's a part of a our Judeo-Christian tradition.

' The argument against that is should government be involved in it at all'' then.

 * DH: But it is recognized, and protected, by government.  So that makes it an unusual institution.

''' What about when two Muslims marry, then? Because that's not Judeo-Christian.

 * DH: Well, I'm saying that was the basis of the traditional marriage in our society that made it an important institution in this society.  That doesn't mean it is restricted of one religious group, but that it has been a function of Judeo-Christian religion and has become thereby a part of our laws.

''' Since it exists in all societies, just because it is practiced by a Judeo-Christian society does that make it a Judeo-Christian institution or a human institution?

 * DH: Well, I think you can argue that, but--

''' You don't believe that?

 * DH: No, I said you could argue that, but in this society it has been a function of the, although it is supported similarly by other religions, and by diverse numbers of ethnic groups.  On the other hand, that's not a reason to not support it, to not elevate it, and not to honor it.

''' Some Christian churches such as the conduct gay marriages.

 * DH: Listen, you might have all liberal types in this country to undo what is essentially the traditional marriage.  I don't agree with that.  I think that is an underpinning to the most important institution in this country, which is the family, and so I don't agree with those who would tear the traditional marriage down, or think it is without value, or that it can be changed and should be changed.  I simply don't agree with that.


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Central banks announce joint efforts to provide liquidity

December 12, 2007 Several central banks in Europe and North America announced joint efforts to provide liquidity to the credit markets in the wake of the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis. The banks will hold coordinated auctions "designed to address elevated pressures in short-term funding markets." The announcement came simutaneously from all of the banks at 9:00 a.m. EST (UTC-5).

The banks involved are the United States' Federal Reserve System (Fed), the European Union's European Central Bank (ECB), the United Kingdom's Bank of England (BoE), Canada's Bank of Canada (BoC), and Switzerland's Swiss National Bank (SNB).

The auctions will run through the end of 2007. The first auction is scheduled for Monday, December 17 and will be a "Term Auction Facility" of US$20 billion.

In its statement the Federal Reserve said: "The Federal Open Market Committee has authorized temporary reciprocal currency arrangements (swap lines) with the European Central Bank (ECB) and the Swiss National Bank (SNB). These arrangements will provide dollars in amounts of up to $20 billion and $4 billion to the ECB and the SNB, respectively, for use in their jurisdictions.  The FOMC approved these swap lines for a period of up to six months."

The Bank of Japan (BoJ) is not participating in the intervention, but welcomed the action. In its official statement, the BoJ said: "The Bank of Japan welcomes these measures and hopes that they will contribute to maintaining the functioning of the international financial markets."

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UK police officers will vote on right to strike

December 12, 2007 Police officers and officials at an emergency meeting have voted to ballot every United Kingdom police officer over the right to strike. They also called for the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, to resign over the current dispute and further passed a vote of no confidence in the home secretary's ability to deal with pay and conditions.

Under current UK law, it is illegal for police officers to stage walk outs as part of protests or disputes, however some members of the force want to strike over the pay package dispute and thus are lobbying for the right to strike to be allowed once again. This has also been supported by a petition, started by Keith Vaz, chair of the home affairs select committee, which has been signed by 78 MPs.

This comes after the decision by the UK government not to backdate a 2.5% pay rise to September 2007, leading to a loss of income, from £130 - £264. However the government says that this is necessary to control inflation in the UK.


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North Sea oil spill is Norway's second worst

December 13, 2007 On Wednesday at 12:40 p.m. CET (UTC+1), Norwegian authorities were alerted to an oil spill in the Statfjord oil field. The spill originated from the oil platform "Statfjord A", one of three platforms in the field, operated by StatoilHydro.

Kristin Hoffmann of Petroleum Safety Authority Norway (Petroleumtilsynet) told Dagens Nyheter: "This is the second largest in Norwegian history." The amount of oil released into the sea is believed to be at least 3840 cubic metres, 25,000 barrels, or approximately 4,000 metric tons. This amount would rank the spill low on the list of oil spills.

"It is a significant amount and we are taking it seriously," said Vegar Stokset, a spokesman for StatoilHydro, though he said the spill was "very far from land."

The accident occurred in rough seas while tanker Navion Britannia was loading oil from a storage buoy, StatoilHydro said. Christian Sletner of the Norwegian Coastal Administration said, "StatoilHydro has a good preparedness plan, and a satisfactory system for handling this." He added, "StatoilHydro is responsible for cleaning up. This is the 'polluter pays' principle."

"The amount of damage could range from completely marginal to relatively large if substantial amounts reach land," Sletner said. "The chances of it reaching land, at the moment, seem to be relatively small."

No one was injured at the time of the accident and the platform will continue work as usual Thursday, said StatiolHydro Information Director Kai Nielsen. In a press release, StatiolHydro announced that four vessels are on their way to begin the clean-up, though they will have to wait for calmer seas to begin work.

Petroleum Safety Authority Norway said in a press release that it is demobilizing disaster teams and beginning to prepare for its investigation of the incident. It will also closely follow StatoilHydro's clean-up.

Statfjord is 200 km (124 miles) off the coast of Norway, located to the east of Bergen. It is an oil and gas field in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, though approximately 15% of it is in the United Kingdom's waters. At peak production, it produces over 700,000 barrels of oil per day. The field is one of the largest known under-sea oil fields in the world.


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I'm not able to get the Pirate Bay sources. Can you clarify the urls, or copy the material to the talk page of the article? Also, have you created this article on Svenska Wikinews? -  Amgine | t 18:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:86.140.79.193

Hi, thanks for your contribution. Could you tell us more about it? We need sources for our articles here. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Israeli and Palestinian negotiators meet formally

December 13, 2007 The first formal meeting between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators since last month's Annapolis, Maryland peace conference, ended in acrimony Wednesday with both sides accusing each other of acting in bad faith on a host of issues.

The 90-minute meeting was supposed to open with a ceremony celebrating the beginning of formal peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians. But the talks had to be rescheduled and moved to a secret location after it became apparent that the two sides had little to discuss.

Aryeh Mekel, the spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry says both sides had grievances to air.

"The Palestinians chose to use this occasion to raise grievances. Basically our delegation led by Foreign Minister Livni expressed the need for Palestinians to take urgent action vis-à-vis the security situation and she mentioned the attacks from Gaza," said Mekel. "As you know today there were more than 20 Qassam rockets fired at Sderot and its vicinity. Also she mentioned the lack of security in the West Bank where only two weeks ago, two Palestinian policemen shot and killed an Israeli resident."

Just two weeks ago, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas pledged to re-start peace talks aimed at reaching a comprehensive settlement by the end of next year. But since then continued Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza, and Israel's decision to build 300 homes in an Arab East Jerusalem neighborhood known as Har Homa, have soured the atmosphere.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat says Israel has to choose between settlements and peace with the Palestinians.

Erekat says the Palestinians main point of discussion in their talks with Israel was the planned construction of 300 homes in the Har Homa, East Jerusalem neighborhood. He also says they raised the issue of Israeli military activities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Tuesday, Israeli troops launched a ground incursion into Gaza — the largest such operation since June, when Hamas militants seized control of the territory from Fatah forces loyal to moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

The issue of Palestinian rocket fire from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel is raising concerns of a wider Israeli military offensive in Gaza. But Israel's army chief says his forces will focus on carrying out limited operations in the territory and avoid a broader invasion.

Meanwhile, the mayor of the Israeli town of Sderot, which has borne the brunt of the rocket fire, resigned saying he could not carry out his duties as long as the attacks continue.


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Greenhouse-gas emission targets may come later says Ban Ki-moon

December 12, 2007 The United Nations secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon says setting greenhouse-gas emission targets may have to wait until after the U.N. Climate Change Conference being held in Bali.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon told reporters it may be too "ambitious" to set targets for greenhouse-gas emissions in the draft text of an agreement aimed at replacing the Kyoto Protocol to stop global warming.

Delegates from about 190 nations, now holding high-level meetings, are split over whether targets should be set now or later. Mr. Ban recognizes the divisions.

"Frankly speaking, realistically, it may be too ambitious if delegates would expect to be able to agree on target of greenhouse gas emission reduction," he said. "But, as I told you, some time down the road we will have to agree on that."

Ministers and heads of states, in a series of speeches, urged nations to lower greenhouse gas emissions. These gases, particularly those caused by the burning of fuels, are believed by many scientists to contribute to global warming.

Leaders said rich nations should make the first cuts and help poorer nations to develop clean technology.

The United States strongly opposes emission targets, as do Japan and Canada. U.S. officials say including emission targets would prejudge negotiations expected over the next two years to find a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

But the European Union and environmentalists say setting emission targets in the draft will show that industrialized nations are serious about the fight against global warming.

The U.S. under-secretary of state for democracy and global affairs, Paula Dobriansky, who is heading the U.S. delegation to Bali, says Washington is committed to seeing an agreement reached at the Bali conference.

"We are very committed to working toward a successful outcome here in Bali. We want to launch a process that is open and does not predetermine or preclude options," she said. "We have been listening carefully to the perspectives of others and will continue to do so in the days ahead. We hope to identify a way forward that will bridge our differences and bring us together on common pursuit of our shared goal of addressing climate change."

The text of the conference draft is expected to undergo several revisions before being finalized Friday. It calls for industrialized nations to commit to cutting greenhouse gas emissions by between 25 to 40 percent by the year 2020.

The Bali conference is expected to end on Friday.


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New outbreak of H5N1 Avian Flu virus reported in Poland

December 12, 2007

At least two new outbreaks of the Avian Flu virus, also known as Bird Flu, have been found in Poland.

One of the outbreaks was on a farm in Saldowo which affected at least 40 chickens. The other outbreak was found in unnamed wild birds near.

"The new case was discovered in the village of Saldowo, near to, (central Poland) close to other recent cases. Just as in the previous cases all the chickens will be culled," said Poland's Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development,.

Officials have set up a zone of protection of at least a 30 kilometer radius of the farm.


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User talk:66.51.146.59

Okay, it is time for your joking to end. You are potentially offending people, both here in the Wikinews community and the wider readership. What you are doing could be seen as vandalism and you could get blocked from editing Wikinews for it. Be careful and be serious from now on. Adambro 22:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for your efforts in linking the teams that have clinched. However, as you can see, the SportsBot will overwrite your changes when it does an update. I will report the problem to the bot operator, to see if he can't write a fix for that. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It has now been fixed. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:131.123.11.155

Hello,

Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further vandalism may result in a 24 hour block. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 23:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Meetings

This is a meta category to organize meetings and conferences (aka, Wikimania, APEC, UN climate conference etc). They should be ordered by thee organizing body's name if applicable, or by the conference name (e.g. climate conference under U for UN, Wikimania under W for wmf, APEC under A as it doesn't (to my knowledge) have a single sponsor). Individual articles about meetings should not be listed here.

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Comments:Central banks announce joint efforts to provide liquidity

Is there a problem here?
Do our world leaders (especially the US) not realize that we narrowly avoided a major economic crisis? How come we just go back to business as usual. Should there not be any kind of action to fix the problem that triggered all this in order to not have this repeat itself? Or have I not been informed about the decision to stop giving loans to people who do not deserve any in the first place? It seems as time goes by we are either arguing as to whether a problem is indeed a problem or, if we can get away with it, not addressing problems at all. --Jorago 00:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:US Senate committee investigates credit card practices

credit offers.
Credit card companies are nothing short of white collar criminals.

They are the Scrooges of modern times - make money at any expense. All thier systems are designed to exploit clients. I wonder that the people working for these companies dont realize the evil they support.

I have yet to do business with any lender that didnt make a mistake. Not one. I think credit card companies have policies of "intentional" mistakes - this amounts to outright fraud.

I once had a good card, from Signet Bank - it got hijacked by some big card company, bank one or some such. I didnt want it to change, and no one offered me any choice - I would have said no. One day the 12% interest rate (up from 9% at the start) jumped to 24% overnight - no reason I could ever find.

In the course of several years many payments (more than 3) were reported late...by 1 day! The single payment I mailed with only 3 days to arrive wasnt marked late - it was the only payment that could have been late. Despite many complaints I've never gotten an apology or money back.

I've finally gotten rid of every card and all card debt. My wife has one store card. By guestimate I figure the various lenders / sharks I've done business easily owe us over $2000.00 for fees and other crap. And thats a reasonable $200 average per company. It is probably actually more!

My advice - cancel all your cards, every one. Find a way to live without them. Cancel all cell phone contracts at renewal time as well. Go pre-paid if you must have one.

-a free man

I would like to extend my sincere gratitude and thanks to U.S. Senator Carl Levin and his associates in addressing the many unfair business practices that Credit Card Companies are employing against the American public.

Please help us! It is apparent that Credit Card Companies greed has no limit. I watched the Senate hearings where several Credit Card CEOs and their associates, attorneys, were testifying and laughing at the Senate Committee members. I taped this session, and when one of the Committee member asked one of the CEO's amount of his salary--he refused to answer the Senator's question. I couldn't believe the contempt the CEOs had for the Committee and its members.

--Does the Credit Card companies realize by charging credit card members 29.99% interest rates to its cardmembers--it is just about impossible for them to pay off their card balances?

--Does the Credit Card companies realize by charging its members a very high interest rates, and accessing numerous fees to its card memers that this practice is in fact robbing its card members of any tangible income that may have had to pay off their credit card balance(s)?

--Does the Credit Card companies realize charging high interest rates and accessing numerous fees to its card members this forces their card members into bankruptcy--and that their actions are in fact hurting--moreover, destroying the American economy and the American way of Life?

--Does the credit Card companies realize charging high interest rates and accessing numerous fees to its card members that this practice is destroying the American Dream? A dream that people have that if they must borrow money--they will be only be charge a reasonable interest rate and fees--which would allow them to pay off their loans/bills completely?

The answer to the above questions is: THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, CEOs,AND ITS BOARD MEMBERS DON'T CARE THAT THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES IS IN FACT DESTROYING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.

Honorable Senator Levin and your distinguished associates--Please help every card member who has a credit card. Please help the American economy--please help America and the World.

Respectfully,

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Comments:CIA chief to testify before Congress on interrogations

Shocker. The CIA keeps secrets!
To me, this is ridiculous. The job of the CIA is to keep secrets, so why is this destruction even noteworthy?

Nixon resigned
Allowing the Bush Administration to destroy evidence of wrong doing is unconscionable, it undermines the integrity of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. When the Nixon administration was under similar scrutiny, Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment.


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User talk:71.110.135.131

Hi, thanks for your contribution, but that entry is better suited for Wikipedia. This is Wikinews. Take a look at what Wikipedia has about the Mayon Volcano and see if you can help their research there. Again, thanks. --SVTCobra 01:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Brian Mulroney testifies before Canadian House of Commons

December 14, 2007 Former Canadian  testified Thursday before an ethics committee in the  about the, a case involving alleged bribery at the highest levels of government to secure Airbus sales of aircraft to.

In his testimony, Mulroney said that he should not have associated with German businessman nor should have he accepted bundles of cash — which he placed in  in two different countries.

Nonetheless, Mulroney denied accepting. He admitted taking about 225,000 in cash from Schreiber in 1993 and 1994, which was after his departure from politics. He also said that the money involved promoting Schreiber's private business dealings.

To the committee Muroney said: "When I look back on it today, I realize I made a serious error of judgment in receiving a payment in cash for this assignment even though it was decidedly not illegal to do so. That mistake in judgment was mine alone. I apologize and I accept full responsibility for it. ... I should have declined the offer. I should have insisted that payment be in a more transparent or more accountable manner. By not doing so I inadvertently created an impression of impropriety on the high office I was privileged to hold."

"Do you realize, Mr. Mulroney, that the way in which you acted in this matter did not make it appear that it were a legitimate transaction," said MP of.

Two days earlier, Schreiber testified before the same committee, alleging that Mulroney agreed to accept CAD300,000 to promote a light armored vehicle factory and benefited from the purchase of 34 Airbus aircraft by Air Canada.

"I never received a cent from anyone for services rendered to anyone in connection with the purchase by Air Canada from Airbus of 34 aircraft," Mulroney said, refuting Schreiber.

Mulroney also attacked Schreiber's credibility, pointing out that the German could be to his home country where he faces charges. "He succeeded. He got what he wanted ... he’s sitting in his mansion over in Rockcliffe," Mulroney said. "I think he seriously misled every member of this House ... with this false affidavit."

The committee's investigation will resume in late January, when it is expected to call dozens of witnesses.


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American musician Ike Turner passes away at 76

December 13, 2007 United States musician and songwriter, Ike Turner, who was married at least 14 times, died Wednesday at his home in San Marcos, California. His wife did not give a cause of death, but mentioned that he suffered from emphysema.

Ike Turner was perhaps best known as one half of the Ike & Tina Turner duo, with his former wife, Tina Turner, whom he married in Mexico in 1962. During a career that lasted half a century, Ike's repertoire included blues, soul, rock, and funk. Alongside his former wife, he was inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1991 and in 2001 was inducted into the St. Louis Walk of Fame.


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Climate Negotiations soon to conclude in Bali; UN "concerned by the pace of things"

December 13, 2007

After almost two weeks of negotiations, this years United Nations Convention on Climate Change (UNCCC) is soon going to end, Friday being scheduled as the last day of the talks, with an extension until Saturday being possible if agreement can not be reached beforehand.

While the head of the UNFCCC Secretariat, Yvo de Boer, stressed from the onset that actual targets for emission reductions were not to be expected to be agreed on, the inclusion of a target frame for industrialized nations is being debated after all. However, his stated goal of deciding on a roadmap for negotiations, which he said needed to address the matter of Greenhouse Gas (GHG) emissions reductions after 2012, and would have to be concluded by 2009, is not yet achieved, there being disagreement on a matter of points.

China for example restated a position it had made at the beginning of the first week, calling for 2010 as target year for the so called "Bali Roadmap".

But a bigger point of contention is that the EU and the vast majority of the 190 nations participating in the conference want to set a target of a 25-40% cut in GHG emissions. The U.S., along with Canada and Japan, are refusing to agree to any targets at this point.

The EU and others say it is important to set targets now, to get a head start in the fight against global warming. The U.S. says targets should come later, after negotiations begin.

The latest to be heard by Sean Heron, who is reporting on behalf of the Wikinews on site, regarding the ongoing negotiations was a statement by a Pakistani official, saying that the US had made a new proposal, and that he was feeling more optimistic than he had the day before. The official spoke in the press conference room, excusing the Ambassador Munir Akram, who was supposed to give a briefing on behalf of the Group of 77 and China, but couldn't make it, as negotiations, due also to the new American suggestion, were still ongoing at 11 pm local time.


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I was in the press conferences (more or less randomly, I just wanted a rest and juice for my laptop...). 125.162.176.9 16:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC) P.S. that was all four press conferences I added notes for below (in that order).

I was very intentionally at the 11pm non press briefing (having hoped to hear from the G77+China). Sean Heron 16:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Working notes
I'm afraid that I was so taken up with the EUs "shall we bother with the Major economies meeting?" (which amused me quite a bit), its gotten late here, and I don't see me adding much to this. I guess the state its in its hardly worth publishing though, and tomorrow theyll have probobly decided, so it wont be news. That being said I guess the article is dead. Ill have a quick check at VOA to see if they have something to flesh it out, and otherwise I guess its for the bin. 125.162.176.9 16:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC) both those were me... Sean Heron 16:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess I (and the article), got lucky. I guess if anybody wanted to, they could try to mash this and the other climate conference article from today, as they are interrelated (see the VOA article, that also has some info that might be worked in), but I really need to head for bed now. Sean Heron 16:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Yvo de Boer Press briefing thursday 12:30
concerned by the current pace of things

There was a meeting of ministers yesterday, which came up with three outstanding matters: They will discuss these issues in smaller groups and come together at 3 pm today to report again.
 * one, how progress can be made on the text regarding the future
 * secondly within that, how to formulate the level of ambition
 * thirdly a small group, looking at article 9 review

12 noon tomorrow, time is up. As things need to be translated and photocopied. And there are only limited capacities for photocopying so you need some time to put things out so that they can be distributed before they are adopted in the plenary. for checking

He has the feeling, because a number of matters have been brought to the high level meetings, and these matters are interconnected its an all or nothing situation, where no agreement on future action would lead to the whole house of cards falling together.

That are his concerns (he sounds and looks pretty tired) he´ll leave it to questions now.

Q: Draft of ? did you see. Seems to leave the 25-40% reduction targets for Annex I countries out ??
 * A: Im not laywer, Im a social scientist. I read para as adressing all parties. Refers to all. It one part talking about another. Parties to Kyoto (which does not include US), consider 25- 40% cuts for Annex B of Kyoto (which are all industrialized nations). Some people are uncomftorble with these numbers in there. US sees it as prejudgeing the outcome of the negotiations. Others, e.g. EU and G77+China want them in. If they stayed in, than more would be achieved than I expected. If not, its as much as I expected, but of course the agreement must be reached.

Q: related to former Question, Annex B. Became stronger, as asked US for future targeting.
 * A: If you write an article about this paragraph in this Article (of the draft-paper), people will not read it (laughter). Does not know if what he stated before is how it (the paragraph) is actually meant. The question is: Does the Bali process need to be guided by an emissions range, or are they only going to get what I had hoped for.

Q: G77 seems to worried, that taking commitments on future emmision cuts undermines current commitments. Is this a possible deal breaker?
 * A: As it is the Kyoto Protocol refers only to Industrialized nation. The Purpose of the dialoge is to deliver finace and technology for developing nations. If no decision is reached, then there will be no commitments on those either.
 * Based on convention. .... . If we dont manage to launch negotiations here. Then there is only formal discuss for commitments under the Kyoto protocol ?? So all have to see that negotiations for the future are imperative.

Q: When you look to deadline. Do you see possibility, as (at a previous conference in) the Hague, to stop the clock and continue the conference on that later?
 * A: Back then we had to leave on Saturday morning because of a fair. We can not afford Cop 13(followup, didnt quite catch it). G8, IPCC, heads of state called for breakthrough at Bali, does not think that pressure can be put on hold (Fridge allegory).

Q: What has to happen between 3 and tommorow noon
 * A: The discussion on the AWG is still open, Article 9 review is open, tech transfer open; capacity building might be resolved as well if everything else works out.

Q: what are the sticky issues on capacity building, and technology transfer?
 * A: Regarding capacity building, there have been calls for linkage of reports by developing countries on GHG??? with capacity (didnt get is sorry).

Tech transfer: Decision on mechanism has been made, to turn requirements to projects. Everybody agrees on that. The problem is a technicalitiy, whether it should be called technology leverage program or facility.

Q: ?? didnt catch it, something on draft
 * A: three options: Constitute a new Subsidiary body, an Ad Hoc Work Group, or an informal dialoge. The movement at the moment is towards the second (AWG). The decision has an effect on the name of the group and whether there are 2 co-chairs or one chair.

Q: Whats at stake here for the US? Is it the case that if they do not agree to 25-40% cuts, then they might face stricter cuts in 2050?
 * A:At stake for US and everybody, is "can a framework for 2012 be put in place or not? He believes that it will be very difficult to go home and say that there they have not managed to come up with an answer to the problem the scientific community has made clear.
 * Future targets are only aspirational, so there are no great stakes there.
 * Issues that need to be resolved are:

 * technology transfer and tradeing
 * finance for mitigation and adaptation
 * formal status of body (not sure which, guess the one he talked on earlier)
 * formal status of body (not sure which, guess the one he talked on earlier)

CAN America, 13:00
They had hoped that the US delegation would change there position and move towards cooperation, but at least not obstruct negotiations. But in public and private they have made objectionable actions.

Wanted to point out one of the worst issues: In not going to mid term reductions, he puts into question the results of the IPCC. And IPCC is even conservative. He believes that dangerous climate change is already not stoppable. Now need to stop catastrophic c change.

Carl Pope: They know what needs to be done, they do not have the will to act. Most explisitly irresponsible action undertaken by any administration ever in power during our lives.

Q: Why are they not doing anything:
 * A: could take lead (which I Carl) would prefer

could take collaberative action. But that would need to take multilateral action. or third they could admit they want to sink the negotiations, but that would make them irrelavent internaly (as everybody else wants them)

Q: Tech transfer
 * A. they say they dont want to force companys to sell IP rights.

Capacity building: Indust provide ?? so that develop countries can participate in process (UNFCCC??) US want to check how the money is being used.

second from left: Admin and manufacture have missed oppor to become exporters of efficen tech. and they may still have inertia of old possitions.

Q: if admin is not going to change position, how is international com going to move to agreement?
 * A: sec from left: First we need to see task before us, and not bow to administration. ....

dont want to go past this conference, but if it fails, than tremendous wind in our backs to get out of starting blocks by 2009.

Q: is there a business way to make it stronger?
 * A: there is an consensus by business that nego needs to be taken forward.

Q: last minute intervention from US on REDD?
 * A: (very left) was close to be agreed on, then US put item REDD to LULUCF altogether. That put it of topic.

(second from left) number of devel have made efforts to reduce emmis from deforest, and to reach agreements, and US has been slaping them away.

Q: Excuse China is not party to Kyoto, so US not agree.
 * A: no, not valid excuse. In internal am politics, there is strong interest in getting China to step up now as well. opport for the two countres to work together and work on tech.

C change has unpredecented role in the upcoming election.

Q:

Q+A US press conference
Q: Why is there not agreement on global vision yet? (cause thats what your saying is missing). And why isnt that what is on the table now. A: doesnt adress question really, talking about side stuff.

Q: ban ki said equity is important. so why then does your delegation say things on adapt and tech ? A: yes all need to bla bla. US pledges so and so much. Major emerging econs should contribute, etc. All must act. For least developed, adaptation, not just fund. Work on ground, as has been requested by LDCs.

Q: do you see possibility of negos not reaching agreement. Q: historic responsibility: Can developing countries be asked to turn away from coal and oil without compensation. ... A: All need to move to there possibility. We will lead and continue but others need to follow.

Q: Optimistic that 25-40 need to be out of text, and many would be comfy with that. You said get stuff to go to major emmiters. And how about the statements you made at the G8+5.

G8+ 5 Obligations under convention. Need to move bla bla. No alignment of any single country with or against others.

Indonesian press briefing
Target or not? In vienna it was agreed that 25-40 cut by 2020 is needed. and this view has been carried over by EU. But some oppose. Therefore round table called by COP president. It will be discussed in round table meeting this afternoon. (about 40 ministers). Proposals from smaller group will be discussed.

On REDD almost everything has been agreed on, exept one very late item. Hope that will be concluded by tomorrow.

third: Tech transfer. Major impact for ???. But no agreement on financial issues. No agreement on financial agreements... But still moving on. No conclusion but still discussing.

fourth: CCS it has been agreed on the technology. Therefore it will not yet aplied as CDM.

fifth: agreement on simplification of CDM.

Altogether: it is looking better today then yesterday, but it still working.

How do I acess? Always negotiators keep there cards close to chest.


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Saturn's rings are much older than previously thought

December 13, 2007 Recent scans on the planet Saturn by the space probe Cassini–Huygens have shown that the planet's rings are much older than previously thought. Recent data says they may be as old as the solar system itself.

The new scans have indicated that the rings are likely three to five billion years old, and will probably be around for billions of years longer. Scientists previously thought the rings to be only about 100 million years old.

"Despite what was thought after the [1970s] Voyager investigations of Saturn - that Saturn's rings might be very youthful, perhaps only as ancient as the dinosaurs - we have results that show the rings could have lasted as long as the Solar System and maybe will be around for billions of years. Recycling allows the rings to be as old as the solar system although continually changing," said researcher Professor Larry Esposito.

The determination was made when Cassini's Ultraviolet Imaging Spectrograph (UVIS) analyzed the light from the Sun reflecting off particles in the rings of all different sizes. The data had shown that there was a lot more clumpy material and as much as three times more mass than what was previously found in the Voyager missions.

Scientists assumed that particles from an exploding comet may have caused the rings to form, but the new data says that it is unlikely to be the case, because the particles are all of different ages.

"Although the Voyager observations indicated Saturn's rings were youthful, Cassini shows even younger ages; and because we see such transient, dynamic phenomena in the rings we are able to reach the paradoxical conclusion - because the rings appear so young, they may actually be as old as the Solar System," added Esposito.

Cassini is operated jointly by NASA and the European Space Agency.


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Comments:UK police officers will vote on right to strike

Assuming this article means that £130 is the amount of loss sustained from not backdating the wages of the LOWEST paid police officer during the 3 month period of September-December; then we can assume £130 is 2.5% of their quarterly salary (I'm also assuming that they're not taking in to consideration their wages from December which won't have been paid yet). This gives a MINIMUM salary of £20,800 pa. Of course that was before their 2.5% payrise, so it's now a touch more. Now... I may live in an underpriveleged area but I don't know anyone who is on CLOSE to that wage. I'm not going to bother calculating what their fat cats at the top are on. IMHO they can all go fish. Shane.Bell 08:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The top end they're mentioning gives a salary of 42k. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brian, I had worked it out myself to be honest (£42,240 by my calcs) but I felt the minimum figure of £20k made my point well enough and I thought the £40k figure might just be more than some folks blood pressure can take. I'm not attempting to rubbish the work of the English bobby, I have my gripes with some of the laws they're told to enforce but never with the force itself, but their wages should bear some relation to what the rest of us have to get by on. I did 5yrs of engineering at college to earn less than what they complain of and I know many people who just wish they could earn as much as I do.
 * . <- here's the world's smallest violin going out to the £20k starving policeman. Shane.Bell 10:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


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EU may see no reason to go to next major emitters meeting

December 13, 2007

Stavros Dimas at a press conference today stated that the European Union would not view it as necessary to attend the major emitters meeting (MEM) if no substantial agreement was reached at the climate change conference in Bali. His statement was made after being asked about rumours of the EU boycotting the US held MEM. He said that he had mentioned the preceding point of view in the presence of an under-secretary of the US government at a business breakfast this morning. He answered to a later question that he felt disappointed at the current stance of the US government, and wished clarity for the moment.

According to a press release by Greenpeace, the German environmental minister Sigmar Gabriel also declared to the press that the EU would not be taking part in the scheduled MEM in January if substantial progress was not made. Amongst other points that are currently being discussed, one which is often referred to is that of whether or not a guideline frame for emissions reductions is to be included in the preamble of one of the final documents. The proposed frame is 25-40% cuts in greenhouse gas emissions for industrialized nations (known as Annex I nations in UNFCCC parlance), from 1990 baselines. The US is amongst the relatively small number of nations, including Canada and Japan, that are opposed to this.

Asked what he knew of the matter at an earlier press conference, Yvo de Boer of the UNFCCC stated that Stavros Dimas, the European Commissioner for the Environment, had voiced his opinion that if no agreement is reached now, than there would be no need for the Major Emitting nations meeting to be held, because, so he apparently stated, the MEM is meant to feed into the UN process, and you could not feed something into nothing.

The talks being held in Bali are expected to lead to a roadmap for negotiations on greenhouse gas emissions caps for after 2012, which is when the current first phase of the Kyoto protocol is going to run out. Multiple parties, observers, and the top UN executive of the Climate Change branch all had expressed their hope that this roadmap would also include a target date of 2009 for the conclusion of negotiations. The major emitters meeting is a convention of those nations that have the greatest greenhouse gas emissions, and was held for the first time at the invitation of the US in Autumn this year.


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Got the Greenpeace press release by email (as all media participants I think) Watched the two press conferences while they were being held via live feed.
 * Can you paste the body of the e-mail here in the notes, please? --SVTCobra 12:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I was worried about copyright issues. I´ll post the sentence I refer to, and if anybody wants the full, I´ll gladly email it to them.

Greenpeace congratulates German Environment Minister Gabriele for his statement just now to the German press that the EU Major Emitters will not attend Bush's Major Economies Meeting in Hawaii in January without substantive progress at this meeting in Bali.

''"This is the leadership we want to see from the EU here in Bali," said Tobias Muenchmeyer of Greenpeace Germany. "let's see now if the US will start acting positively".''

Sorry for taking so long to answer, I was watching Al Gores speech (was pretty popular and I thought quite good). I'm checking the G77+China press conference now, if they dont remark on the Major emitter meeting, I think I/we should remove the breaking, as the US (or anybody else from the Umbrella group) doesn't seem to be responding in any official manner. Sean Heron 13:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't worry about copyright in this case. Greenpeace encourages the reproduction and distribution of all original materials and this is just our "work" area, not our published material (though anyone can view it, so that might not hold up in court - ianal). Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

G77 meeting is later (in two hours), and I guess thez wont refer to the EUs thing anywaz, so removed breaking. Sean Heron 13:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Why i ask?
it seems strange to me that the EU is refusing to go if nothing is done now. this pushing back of deadlines is annoying me. from my point of view, if we do try to cut down emissions, and then we are wrong, oh well, we live. if we do nothing, and global warming is real, then we are in trouble. i want politions and major corperations to acually DO something rather than just talk about doing something in a few years. -222.155.84.230 12:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, the move was trying to put some pressure on the US, because if the EU doesnt come the whole major emitters meeting would be a bit of a joke. And yes, I think there is no time to be lost, so pushing out decisions is certainly no help.

 * I agree with you that its better to act even if it turns out it wouldnt have been necessary, than to suffer the possible consequences of inaction. I do think a lot of major corporations are starting to say that something needs to be done policy wise, with some apparently taking action within the company as well.
 * Regards, and thanks for your comments Sean Heron 17:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I also believe that the EU is doing this as a boycott again the US. It seems to me that their position is that if the US is not going to have goals which will be able to address climate change in time, there is no point supporting them. The way I see it is if someone was going to make a conference on flood control for a plan to stop floods twenty years from now, and a flood is expected in the next ten, then the conference has no purpose. Good on the EU to step up to the plate and take a stand against the inaction of the other developed countries! I am ashamed of the Canadian government for not taking action for my country (We used to be leaders in peace and the environment)! --Jorago 20:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

USA strategy ?
140.122.97.3 12:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are the USA wanting to destroy Africa ?
 * and how the "very christian" Bush's government can him explain a choice which is and will kill millions ?
 * and how christians communities can support a such governement ?
 * I can't answer for the Bush administration of course, but I have heard people from American NGOs saying that a number of conservative politicians with evangelical backgrounds, or Evangelists themselves are saying that action must be taken to preserve nature (regardless of the precise science). So I think there might be a number of Christians that do not support the current governments stance (not that I wish to speak for them, this is just my guess).
 * Regards Sean Heron 17:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Money
its the only thing America understands (and hell given their huge debt the don't understand it too well) If the EU is serious about global warming its time for trade sanctions with the US! its time as a coalition of nations that we grow some balls and tell N.America where to go! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.106.25 (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * will it be good for the economy? NOm ofc not!
 * will it be better than death? most definitely!
 * I have been wondering as well why the EU don't put more pressure on the US, but I think the matter is just not as simple as that. I think there is still hope (especially with regard to the upcoming US presidential election) that the US will come on board with stringent GHG emission targets, and in that case it would be work together, rather than against them I think. Regards Sean Heron 17:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree with USA
If polluters like China & Mexico are not included in the talks, why add another burden to our already weak economy by adding more rules. We pollute so mch less than they do, why not wait for them to catch up?206.24.48.1 21:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


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2007 Taipei IT Month exposed problems on traffic jams

December 13, 2007 Although the 2007 Taipei IT Month closed last Sunday (December 9), it attracted more than 750,000 people to visit the show, but it exposed some problems especially on the traffic factor.

Generally on weekdays (December 3-7), the traffic jam at Shi-fu Road often took place in the afternoon as many schools visited the show and several sightseeing buses sometimes parked there for patronages on students. In comparison with Sung-shou Road, Shi-fu Road was sometimes obstructed but not as serious than on weekends because the official shuttle buses played a key role on transportation.

On the opposite way of two weekends (December 1, 2, 8, and 9), it exposed traffic problems as many people visited the show, even though the Traffic Division of Taipei City Police Department set medians around the Taipei World Trade Center and the Taipei 101, and it apparently decreased violations on illegal crossing, Shi-fu Road and Sung-shou Road were still trapped in traffic jams than on weekdays.

Before the launch of the TWTC Nangang in March 2008, governments and show organizers will focus on the traffic issue at the Taipei World Trade Center during the construction of the MRT Taipei World Trade Center Station.


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Garry Kasparov will not run for Russian presidency

December 13, 2007 Garry Kasparov, the world champion chess-player turned political activist, says he will not contest the 2008 presidential election in March. Kasparov says that he is forced to withdraw from the race because his political group, The Other Russia has been unable to hold a nominating convention.

"In all Moscow we have not been able to find a hall where our supporters could meet," Kasparov said. "We pay and the people agree. There are no problems. And then they call us to say they are refusing, can't give us the hall any more," he continued. "They refuse to give us the hall for technical reasons."

Kasparov's campaign had previously run into a variety of other problems including police crackdowns and censorship. In one incident, Andrei Novikov, a reporter critical of the government and supportive of Kasparov, was detained for nine months in a psychiatric hospital.

Reporters Without Borders said of the Novikov incident: "It seems that Russia' special service sand psychiatrists are still empowered to take charge of anyone whose words or actions stray from the Kremlin line."

Analysts believe that Dmitri Medvedev will win the March elections after he was endorsed by Vladimir Putin, who wields tremendous popular support.


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Moldova expels two Romanian diplomats

December 14, 2007

Two diplomats within the Romanian Embassy to Moldova have been declared personae non gratae due to the incompatibility between their activity and the diplomatic status they are holding.

In line with a press statement made by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and European Integration (MFAEI), on Wednesday, December 12, Romanian Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to Moldova Filip Teodorescu was invited to the MFAEI.

"The Foreign Ministry considers such an act as inimical, totally unjustified and incompatible with Romania’s permanent constructive and cooperative attitude towards Moldova," the Romanian Foreign Ministry says in a communiqué releases in reaction...

“I expected many of the problems in our relations to disappear after Romania joined the EU,” said Vladimir Voronin President of Moldova, “but relations between Moldova and Romania have not changed. All those statements are so stupid they don't deserve criticism. Let Europe judge us.”

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European leaders sign Lisbon Treaty

December 13, 2007 Today, leaders from the nations of the European Union signed the landmark which is to redefine foreign policy for the EU and creates an EU president. The treaty is a replacement for the which was abandoned after suffering defeats in referendums in France and the Netherlands.

"From this old continent, a new Europe is born," said President. "For the first time, the countries that were once divided by a totalitarian curtain, are now united in support of a common treaty that they had themselves negotiated."

The President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy said to reporters: "Europe was blocked, without knowing how to move forward and we found the solution with this treaty."

United Kingdom Prime Minister Gordon Brown did not attend, and David Miliband signed the treaty in his stead. "This is a day for Europe to look to the future.," Miliband said. Citing prior obligations for his failure to be in, Brown added his signature later after appearing before the House of Commons in the morning. Critics have claimed he does "not have the guts" to sign and is trying to avoid the political liability of having his name on the document.

Speaking at the ceremony, Portuguese Prime Minister said, "This was the European project that many generations dreamt of and others before us championed, with a vision of the future."

From here, each country will have to the treaty. Most countries will probably not hold on the treaty as voters would be likely to reject the treaty; some leaders have committed to hold referendums, but are attempting to avoid doing so for similar reasons.

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Please link directly to the articles and not to the publishers root domain. --SVTCobra 15:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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I fixed the usage of persona non grata, although pluralized it's even less appropriate for a title than it was before. Demiquave 01:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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2007 Taipei International Travel Fair: Bigger than ever before it even begins

December 14, 2007 The Taipei International Travel Fair (Taipei TVF), founded in 1987 by Taiwan Visitors Association (TVA), is now in its 15th year. This show will start on December 14 and be open through December 17 at the Taipei World Trade Center with participants from 62 countries and 861 tourism companies and organizations. This year's fair is larger than ever.

At the press conference yesterday, TVA invited some exhibitors including Taiwan, as well as countries from Southeast Asia, Europe, and Oceania to promote their traveling packs for media. The TVA recruited local citizen journalists to cover the event, which they also did last year, and awarded honorary press accreditions for the selected 16 nominees.

Before the press conference, Wikinews reporter Rico Shen had a brief interview with Honorary Chairman of TVA Stanley Chang-shou Yen about their policy on citizen journalism. Stanley said:The internet is a useful tool that everyone needs. In the past, there was only TV, print, and broadcasting media in Taiwan. But recently, with the great impacts of blogs, personal websites, and discussion forums, we [TVA] think that citizens play a great role in the e-Century. With those trends and impacts, we finally decided to recruit bloggers to participate in our fair with citizen journalists, it is the first ever that the other organizers or exhibitions never did before. I hope those elected bloggers with interests on tourism can play a suitable role to promote our show properly with different opinions than mass media.

Besides of some traditional displays by exhibitors at the press conference, Cross-Strait Tourism Exchange Association also introduced the tourism industry of China at this conference. With the 2008 Summer Olympics to be held in Beijing, the Cross-Strait Pavilion of Taipei ITF will be a focus of the media in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and China.


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Three UK residents to be released from Guantánamo

December 13, 2007 United Kingdom foreign secretary David Miliband confirmed today that three British residents, who are being held at the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, will be released by the United States.

The three are Jamil el-Banna, of Jordan; Omar Deghayes, of Libya; and Abdennour Sameur, of Algeria. They will return "as soon as the practical arrangements can be made," said Miliband.

"Their immigration status will be reviewed following their return, and the same security considerations will apply to them as would apply to any other foreign national in this country. As always, all appropriate steps will be taken to protect national security," the foreign secretary continued.

Miliband said the UK government will work toward getting the US government to close the Guantanamo Bay prison.


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Working together
I am always impressed at the work of the EU. Sure many oppose it but it is a true testament to the fact that countries that differ culturally and historically can work together for the greater good of their people. --Jorago 20:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, I'm usually more disgusted by the petty bickering than I am impressed by the cooperation. Still, this is a very positive step for Europe. Spacehusky 03:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That is very true but it seems that petty bickering is part of politics at any level. At least that's how it is on my end of the world even at the municipal level. --Jorago 08:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


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