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Comments:Controversy spreads over Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr

Maybe now people will realise Barr isn't a real libertarian. Anonymous101talk 18:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Why does this even matter, all these third party candidates do is take away from their prospective base (Green party from Democrats and Libertarians from Conservatives) Quite frankly I think its very self centered to run for a position just for the hell of it. 70.165.36.114
 * Libertarians are NOT conservatives (Barr is, but he's not a real libertarian). Anonymous101talk 21:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

 * You don't know what you're talking about. American Libertarianism is all about preserving the Constitution and individual rights. You're confusing social conservatism with true conservatism. 68.189.148.241 23:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the two posts above, but who the hell are you to say what the 'prospective base' is? Also, many people vote third party because of the following line of thought, "I don't like the way the country has been going the last X years.  Who has been in power the last X years?  Well, a Democrat or Republican.  I guess I won't vote for them."  Fephisto (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. What's the whole deal with people getting mad at the fact that he won't attend a press conference? I'm not informed in the third party candidates, so somebody fill me in. Isn't he just sticking up and saying "hey, I'm going this on my own"? Why are people revolting as to why he just wants to say he's in it for himself? conman33 20:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would assume it's because there has already been much consternation over whether Barr is really a libertarian, and his perceived insults to Paul further inflame such concerns.

 * 1) Bob Barr actions in the past are not libertarian by any means.  He was a Republican that voted for the Patriot Act, the War in Iraq, the War against Drugs, etc..  For many people, they may be mad with Barr to begin with because he's the candidate for the LP when he's not even libertarian.  Thus, give people any chance to attack a guy they don't like and they will.
 * 2) Ron Paul was effectively reaching out to endorse third parties and help them out, and Barr has effectively shoved aside an endorsement that follows very well with LP ideology (since Ron Paul is fairly libertarian).  It's like someone giving you $100 and you replying by saying "Go to hell."  It's incredibly disrespectful.
 * 3) After refusing Paul's endorsement, he turns around and asks him to be his VP, which is just an added dose of rudeness.
 * 4) He did it at the last minute.  Way to be a drama queen.Fephisto (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Libertarian is rich man anarchy--KDP3 (talk) 02:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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This was bound to happen. Ever since I saw on the news that Butto has been assissnated, I knew that Musharaf will step one day nad then he will take the Presidency! Now we have to see if he is able to keep up with the Musharaf legacy.


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Plans set in motion for the removal of Bob Barr as the Libertarian Party's U.S. presidential nominee

September 13, 2008 Controversies surrounding Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee and former congressman Bob Barr intensified on Friday afternoon.

There is now a serious effort by some in the Libertarian Party to remove Barr as its presidential nominee. In order for this to happen, the matter must be voted upon by members of the Libertarian National Committee. A motion has been written calling for Barr's removal and at least one representative has expressed a willingness to make it. If and when the motion is seconded, it will be brought to a vote. The motion can be read in its entirety below.

The motion is in response to Barr's refusal to attend former Republican presidential hopeful Congressman Ron Paul's third party unity conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on Wednesday.

Barr instead decided to hold a press conference of his own two hours after Paul's at the same location.

"I'm not interested in third parties getting the most possible votes," Barr told reporters. "I'm interested in Bob Barr as the nominee for the Libertarian Party getting the most possible votes."

Several of Barr's supporters were furious with his remarks, some even going so far as to retract their endorsements of him. Bloggers quickly picked up on the story and by Thursday evening there was an Internet frenzy, which continued into Friday.

Removal motion
WHEREAS, Article 12, Section 5 of the Libertarian Party’s bylaws provide for the suspension of the party’s presidential candidate by the Libertarian National Committee; and

WHEREAS, said bylaws provision requires a 3/4 vote of this body; BE IT KNOWN that Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party’s 2008 presidential nominee, is hereby suspended on the basis of the following causes:

- Failure to appear, with little or no notice, at a major media event to which he had been invited and to which he had committed to appear;

- Vicious public attacks by his campaign staff on the character and reputation of the event’s host (1988 Libertarian Party presidential nominee Ron Paul) and sponsor (Campaign For Liberty);

- The disrepute and discredit which the aforementioned misbehaviors have brought upon the Libertarian Party.

The committee advises Barr that he has seven (7) days to appeal this action to the party’s ''Judicial Committee. Absent a successful appeal, his nomination will be deemed null and void and he will be replaced as the party’s presidential nominee.''


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PS: The title is copyvio in my book at least. It's a near word-for-word copy of the source and the only one LP has been replaced with "Libertarian U.S.". —Calebrw (talk) 02:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's changed now, I did notice consider it... but that's what development's for.

Source/title fixed
I've renamed the article and found a new source. I've put this back under 'Review'. --WNewsReporter (talk) 02:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * New source added regarding the motion. --WNewsReporter (talk) 03:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to you to incorporate part of the motion into the article? That's what seems to be missing, if you add that, I would pass the article for peer review. PS: I will add a related news headers. —Calebrw (talk) 03:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Motion added. --WNewsReporter (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

REMOVAL MOTION
I think it really breaks up the article when it's in the middle. Maybe add it on the bottom after the full text of the article? Or maybe have a link to a separate page? --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 03:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved. —Calebrw (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure —Calebrw (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the review and help. --WNewsReporter (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Heads up
This, in response to an e-mail Phillies says he received from LP spokesman Andrew Davis saying there is “no truth” to the claims made in a WikiNews article about the possibility of Barr’s removal. Cirt (talk) 22:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything in that article was sourced. I'm pretty sure that Davis was lying to save face. --WNewsReporter (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


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Work on Lehman Brothers’ rescue to continue over weekend

September 13, 2008 Lehman Brothers, a major American investment firm, is spending the weekend trying to find an investor that would save the firm from complete collapse. The company has lost 80 percent of its stock value since Monday, when it announced that it had not secured a deal with the Korea Development Bank, which was widely expected to occur. On Wednesday, Lehman published their biggest loss in the 158 years of their existence.

According to the Financial Times, Bank of America is trying to create a joint takeover bid with JC Flowers and the China Investment Corporation (CIC), which is a Sovereign Wealth Fund. The CIC invested $5 billion in Morgan Stanley when that bank needed a cash infusion in December 2007. It is unclear if the CIC will act as lead investor or act through JC Flowers, with which the CIC has established a fund.

The Federal Reserve and Treasury Department are working with Lehman to find a suitable bidder. Hank Paulson, Treasury secretary, promised that no government money will be given to Lehman, unlike the takeover of Bear Stearns in March of this year.

Paulson has also met with several executives of Wall Street firms to discuss the crisis and try and find possible investors. In a meeting initiated by Timothy Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, it was pressed upon the banking industry that it needed to handle the crisis. The Wall Street executives included John Mack, the chief executive of Morgan Stanley; John Thain, chief executive of Merrill Lynch; Jamie Dimon, chief executive of J.P. Morgan Chase; Lloyd Blankfein, chief executive of the Goldman Sachs; Vikram Pandit, chief executive of Citigroup; and representatives from the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) and the Bank of New York Mellon Corporation. Christopher Cox, Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission was also present.

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Comments:Plans set in motion for the removal of Bob Barr as the Libertarian Party's U.S. presidential nominee

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I strongly urge the LP with the utmost urgency to recind the nomination of Bob Barr. He did immeasurable damage to the LP and the cause of liberty by refusing to appear with Dr. Paul and then by his subsequent press conference, interviews and letter to Dr. Paul "inviting" him to take the VP slot on the LP ticket. This guy is NOT a Libertarian in principle. Even if he talks the talk, he does NOT walk the walk. —21:57, September 12, 2008 Shellah (Talk | contribs)

I don't see what the big deal is. So he doesn't want to be seen as part of an amorphous "3rd party" made up of many parties which don't at all share the same views. What's the controversy? That he's over-confident that he can do well on his own? BOB BARR DOESNT CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF BOB BARR YOU HIPPIES! --220.240.166.126 12:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

libertarian
Anyone who has been following this in detail knows that the Ron Paul staff has been taken over by supporters of "bibleboy" Baldwin, who instead of campaigning against McCain, in on a power trip to defeat Barr. That coupled with many who do not want to see the Republicans or McCain lose have made knocking out Barr their number one priority. Barr is actually gaining strength within the LP ranks from people that originally opposed his nomination as they are now seeing how he is being targeted. I predict two things, one to see these attacks continue and two, for Barr to do very well this November. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.7.250 (talk) 01:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

who cares what the libertarians are going to do. they do nothing but take votes from the two major parties. no one cares about bob bbar or third parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.68.20 (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

shouldn't the title of this article be changed? They haven't been "set in motion" but only speculated.

I think he should be immediately removed. He advocated interventionism in South America against the *Narco Terrorists* as well as being ok with the bailing out of Fannie and Freddie. This guy isn't a Libertarian at all. He's a washed up, has been politician trying to diffuse the Libertarian Party's ability to affect the outcome of the duopoly that is the Repbulicrat Party. His campaign is all about him, and not about trying to bring about change in America's perception of 3rd parties. There will be a ton of pro-barr troll posts here I'm sure, just as there are on various Ron Paul forums on the net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.119.156 (talk) 02:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Fephisto (talk) 15:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ditto! It's ALL about Barr.... how much FARTHER can you GET from the intelligent and unselfish persona of Dr. Paul???? Barr was a mistake from the gitgo.... there's still time to correct this error.... choose wisely this time!! goldenequity —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.38.99.115 (talk) 16:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

bobbar
His nomination was the final straw which led me to leave the Libertarian Party. If they truly were the "party of principal" they never would have nominated a non-libertarian as barr has always been, and despite some of his current rhetoric, has proven he always will be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.14.45 (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Since Bob Barr was elected as the Libertarian candidate for President, his campaign provided more positive comments and interviews in the news media, about the Libertarian Party, than all the previous Libertarian candidates.

We get positive response in our area with President BARR wave and yard signs (80 cents)

http://www.artypeinc.com/store/

http://bobbarr.meetup.com/65

Jack Tanner  http://JackTanner.net  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.195.188 (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Barr -Libertarian?
Frankly, he shouldn't have been nominated in the first place. He has the record of a neo-con: for crying out loud, Barr voted for the Patriot Act! A politician's past record is a much better indicator than his present rhetoric of what his future votes will be like. Disrepecting a former Libertarian presidential candidate should be the last straw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.48.90 (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Makes Sense
What Bob said makes total sense. He's running as a Libertarian and his focus should be on that alone! If you dont agree with his views then vote for someone who appeals to you! Bravo, well said Bob! Remove him from the ticket?? Get real and get a life.--66.72.174.85 —Preceding comment was added at 00:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Removing Bob Barr from the Libertarian Party's Presidential candidacy because he failed to attend a coalition-building publicity exercise with other third party candidates is as wrong-headed as attempting to impeach Bill Clinton because he had sex with an intern. There are plenty of other reasons to remove Barr. First and foremost, he is not a libertarian. All through his campaign he has taken positions and advocated policies which are, in fact anti-libertarian, including his support for the government's illegal foreign wars. He has celebrated massive wholesale violations of the Zero Aggression Principle which is the heart and soul of libertarianism. Remove him for that, not over a tactical disagreement you may have with him. -- L. Neil Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.244.57.8 (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Got to Go!
Recently he made some flattering comments about Bush. Big no no.

Now, there is talk about his association with the CIA and he is nothing but a Cointel mole. Another big no no!

How he got the Libertarian nod to run from President is a mystery to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.23.83.22 (talk) 13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing Not Great - needs updating
For example Libertarians unlikely to do anything from one of the less than reliable sources mentioned in article. Aren't there any mainstream sources on this?

Barr none!
Unless Dr. Paul is going to step up and run, I say keep Barr. What other 'group focused Paul-like' choice do we have. In my town writing in Ron Paul won't even get counted. Been there, done that. Sad when you realize your vote wasn't even counted. In defense of Ron Paul. You can't blame a guy for putting his wife of 51 years first. They have put US back in the drivers seat. We just have to start steering. Delegates - Delegates - Delegates. Next time we bring two friends! Peace, Scanner Scott —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.190.148.147 (talk) 22:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

beating the LP
I am ashamed to say that the LP membership does this every election cycle. We vote on a candidate and then spend the rest of the time trying to prove how UN-Libertarian they are. We did it to the late Harry Browne, Michael Badnarik and now Bob Barr. We don't need any other parties to run against; we're too busy beating ourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.5.22.165 (talk) 03:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * With Harry Browne, Michael Badnarik, and Gary Johnson, there might be debate amongst libertarians as to whether they were "libertarian enough," but at least it's clear they were libertarian. They didn't say things to the media that would embarrass libertarians, unlike Barr who told Hannity that it would be crazy to end the war on drugs at the state or local level.  Source.  This statement obviously hurt our local- and state-level candidates by misrepresenting them nationally.  allixpeeke (talk) 20:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Parasite within
The only way to beat the two headed monster of the two party system is to beat that monster. Since Plurality victory voting creates that monster, IRV and other reforms are critical. All third parties are united in wanting those reforms. Cooperation is essential. Tactically, idealogical bickering is worthless, and since that seems to be Bob Barr's mode, he is worthless too.

Dump him. Dump him now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.193.44 (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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Peer review
Thanks. I'll see if I can find some quotes. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 04:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok there appears to be a dearth of quotes so I wasn't able to come with anything. I did add some more on the meeting. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Category improvement
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 * "Category:Korea" should be changed to "Category:South Korea"
 * "Korean Development Bank" should be changed to "Korea Development Bank" (also make sure to fix the link itself)
 * ✅ -- Sken   my talk 18:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


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Los Angeles commuter train collides with freight train; over two dozen killed

September 13, 2008

At least 25 people have been killed and many more injured when a Metrolink commuter train collided yesterday afternoon with a Union Pacific freight train in the Chatsworth district of Los Angeles. Around 250 firefighters have responded to the accident scene.

Estimates are that 350-400 people were on the number 111 commuter train which departed from Los Angeles' Union Station at 3:35pm PDT. The collision occurred on Friday at about 4:25pm PDT on Metrolink's Ventura County Line. The area in which the crash took place is hilly and contains a single track; it is just north of the Chatsworth Metrolink station.

The force of the collision sent the locomotive of the Metrolink train to penetrate deep into the lead bi-level passenger car of the three-car train. The collision then knocked the Union Pacific and Metrolink locomotives on their side along with the lead passenger car.

According to various sources, upwards of 10-15 passengers, possibly even more than 20, have been killed, including a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer. The LAPD has not released the name of the officer. The engineer of the Metrolink train is believed to be another of the fatalities.

The number of injured is believed to be 135, although the precise number is still unclear. According to emergency responders, the injured have been transported to Los Angeles area hospitals, including the University of California, Northridge Hospital Medical Center, Providence Holy Cross Medical Center and Huntington Hospital.

“This is the worst accident I’ve ever seen. Clearly the injuries are going to mount and so are the fatalities,” Mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, said.

It is unclear how the accident occurred. Some of the possibilities include a signal malfunction, a failure by a crew member to notice a signal or a lapse in protocol for moving trains safely in the area. According to Metrolink and the Los Angeles Times, the National Transportation Safety Board has a team on scene and is investigating.

In an apparently unrelated incident less than an hour after the crash in Chatsworth, another Metrolink train collided with a car in Corona, California, killing the female driver of the automobile.


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Wikinews visits the 2008 Reno Air Races

September 16, 2008 The last pass is flown, the final lap completed, the winner has long since left the circle with "Gold Unlimited" race trophy. The only thing left of the 45th National Championship Air Races & Air Show, in Reno, NV is the awards dinner, which will take place away from the airfields and hangars, and the photos and memories of the event.

The week's festivities and hard fought races came to its climax on Sunday with the final races for the Biplane, Formula One, Jet, Sport, T-6, and Unlimited classes. This year saw some of the fastest races in its history as records were set in 4 classes; the Biplane Gold at 251 mph, the Jet Gold at 510 mph, the T-6 gold at 244 mph, and the Sport Class SuperSport Gold at 392 mph.

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New polls show third party U.S. presidential candidates varying radically in popularity

September 13, 2008

Two nationwide polls released this week, one conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs and the other by the John Birch Society (JBS), show several third party U.S. presidential candidates varying radically in popularity.

Among the 1,018 adults surveyed in the Ipsos poll, 48% said they would vote for Democratic Party nominee Barack Obama, while 42% said they would vote for Republican Party nominee John McCain. 2% support independent Ralph Nader and 1% of respondents said they would cast their ballots for Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr. The margin of error was reported as +/-3.1%. The John Birch Society's online poll, however, is showing very different numbers. In it, in which 5,972 took part from late June through last week, Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin leads Barr, McCain and Obama at 1,972 votes (33%). Baldwin is trailed by Barr, who received 1,712 votes (28.7%). Following Barr is McCain with 947 votes (15.9%) and, in last place, Obama with 341 votes (5.7%). 1,000 voters (16.7%) said that they were not voting for any of the candidates mentioned. The JBS poll was an online poll of visitors to their web site and should not be confused with a scientific poll. It should be noted that both of the polls were taken before Barr's controversial snubbing of Republican Congressman Ron Paul's third party unity conference on Wednesday. Many of Barr's supporters have since revoked their endorsements of him and joined other presidential campaigns, mainly Baldwin's and Nader's.

In the last two weeks, the percentage of third party and undecided voters has ranged from 6 - 8.0%. The percentage of undecided and third party voters reached its peak of 12.0% on July 24th, 2008, but has since steadily declined. The percentage of third party votes in the 2004 election only reached 1.0%, but in the 2000 election it reached 3.75%.


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heh this is because we humans tested the nature the other day thats on september 10 and the nature reacted the very next day saying dont ever try this what if that could have been more devastating so please dont ever test nature
 * "the nature"? bleh, as far as nature is concerned we're insignificant. At a guess I'd say hurricane Ike has expended more energy than every human nuclear test combined, and it hasn't even hit Houston yet. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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Just wanted to say thanks for coming over and helping out some of us somewhat scientifically-challenged amateur journalists. I should obviously poke Wikipedians into hopping over here and helping out more often. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah Khukri, thanks also for your wise (and accurate) description of the doomsayers. Just one remark on that: Nicolai's quote on Roessler's paper was "this paper would not pass the referee process in a serious journal". PRD is just the acronym of a specific journal, Physical Review D, published by the American Physical Society. Cheers Ptrslv72 (talk) 13:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Work on Lehman Brothers’ rescue to continue over weekend

The dollar has only 'recovered' because of US government and IMF / World bank intervention. Soon all the banks will go bankrupt, and no one will have any money left. I withdrew my money long ago, and invested in gold. Even though gold lost some value, it lost less then the $100 000 i would have received back.

I told my friends to take their money out the bank, but they did not. They are all starving now, no money, no job, no house. Only a fool will leave their money in the bank.

At least gold is still valuable. All my friends have is their health, but with no job, food, house, etc, that wont last long.

I will keep buying gold, and remain rich, while the rest leave their money in the bank and hope the government bails them out. Like my friends, most will discover too late, that the US government wants you to be bankrupt. That way, they can control you, and make you slaves to the system.

all those with any foresight have already withdrawn their money and put it somewhere safe, like gold. The rest, well, they can enjoy being slaves.
 * Where the hell can you safely buy gold anyways? Fephisto (talk) 15:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


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UK's XL Leisure Group enters administration

September 13, 2008

XL Leisure Group — the United Kingdom's third largest tour operator — has collapsed and entered administration. About 85,000 passengers have been left stranded outside the UK as a result.

The Civil Aviation Authority is working to bring these people home, and Air Travel Organisers' Licensing scheme stated that "repatriation aircraft" had been scrambled. Both flights chartered specially for the purpose and scheduled services with spare seats are being used.

XL operated a number of subsidiaries, including XL Airways, Travel City Direct and the Really Great Holiday company. Including parent company XL Leisure, 11 companies are effected. Their collapse has also left people stranded in UK airports and delayed other flights as airlines who had chartered XL aircraft for their services sought alternative planes.

Passengers booked with XL have been advised to keep away from their departure airports. Refunds will be available for most, but some who booked via XL's website or call center and did not use a credit card or Visa debit card are not able to claim their money back.

Around 50,000 XL package holiday customers and 10,000 other XL Airlines passengers are stranded abroad. 25,000 people booked with other operators who had deals with XL have also been hit, and a total of 200,000 holidaymakers are believed affected. In addition, XL Leisure had 1,700 employees.

XL's CEO Phil Wyatt blamed a combination of himself, high oil prices and economic instability for the problem. He said he was "devastated" and apologised to those affected, but said they were forced to give up after lenders pulled out.


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'Invitational Games for the Deaf, Taipei 2008' comes to a close

September 13, 2008

After the table tennis event concluded, medalists from the martial art events (, and judo) were confirmed on the September 8, third match day of "Invitational Games for the Deaf, Taipei 2008."

Except for steady performances from the host Chinese Taipei team during the karate and taekwondo events, European athletes battled East Asian (Japan and South Korea) athletes. During the third match day, Korea's Sukchan Yun ever defeated Turkey's Kayaci Ibrahim within only 6 seconds in men's 90.1 kg to 100 kg class. It was the shortest match in the judo event.

On the final day, Sept. 10, the top four teams from the soccer event competed for medals, despite bad weather in Taipei.

The gold medal match took place between Japan and Thailand. In the 20th minute, Japan's Hisashi Hosomi scored first. But during the added time of the first half, Thailand's Somsak Thongdee tied the game 1-1. After the start of the second half, Thailand straightened their offense, and in the 60th minute, Thailand captain Anothai Sathiyamat scored a goal, which proved to be the game winner. In the bronze medal match between Iran and Australia, Iran defeated Australia with a 8-0 shutout. Mostafa Heydaribondarabadi, Hosseinali Mohammadi Firouzjaei, Mazaher Shirzad Sibani, Hamid Reza Khazaei, all scored in for Iran.

I'm very satisfied with our preparations and administrations in the invitational games in Taipei, I hope participants can do the best during the 2009 Summer Deaflympics in the future.

After the "Invitational Games for the Deaf, Taipei 2008", Chih-he Chen, President of Asia Pacific Deaf Sports Confederation, presented an honor medal for the soccer tournament during the closing ceremony and hoped the Taipei City Government will show the best service for the 2009 Summer Deaflympics.

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Sebastian Vettel takes pole for 2008 Italian Grand Prix

September 13, 2008

Scuderia Toro Rosso–Ferrari driver Sebastian Vettel won the pole position for the Sunday FIA Formula One 2008 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia race at Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Italy.

The track was wet during most of the Friday practice sessions and all the qualification triplet, a rare event for the Formula One at Monza. Heavy rain conditions on the racing circuit caused a couple of surprises for the spectators.

First was the major defeat of Kimi Räikkönen (Ferrari) and Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes), two major competitors in the Drivers' Championship. They totally lost the second qualifying session and will start 14th and 15th in the tomorrow race. This was accompanied by Vettel setting the best time in the session of 1:35.837.

The German driver repeatedly set the best time in the final session. His pole position was endangered by Felipe Massa, but the second Ferrari driver came only 6th in his final attempt and Heikki Kovalainen, Hamilton's teammate in McLaren, made better progress netting second position just before the chequered flag closed the session.


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This is the final OR of Invitational Games for the Deaf, Taipei 2008.

At the Day 3 and Day 5, I witnessed key matches including judo, taekwondo, and the last key one - finales of soccer. (Note: Day 4 is their official rest day.)

I saw many significant matches especially in judo - Men's 81.1kg to 90kg class, I witnessed a sudden KO within just 6 seconds, faster than I think.

But none to the second one - soccer, was another significant one what I witnessed. Although a torrential rain (damn! I could only took few pictures with a fence cover because my former camera was ever out of order during a rain), the finales were still intensive. (Very well, whether it's a bad or a good whether, players should do their best in a match.)

In the official closing, I also participated their event, our mayor seemed to satisfy the administration of this invitational matches.

Hope the 2009 Summer Deaflympics can be more and more excellent!

Regards, Brock contact... 14:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Please change "an close" to "a close". Heavy Water (talk) 15:11, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And I...realized I obviously should've held off on creating the comments page. Heavy Water (talk) 15:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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--Brian McNeil / talk 14:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As anyone checking the history will see, I made several changes to this - but none that actually changed the story the article tells. I think the biggest change was that the original author had used "podium" where they meant "pole", an easy mistake for a non-native speaker that can clearly be seen and corrected. Is this too much in terms of edits by the reviewer? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd imagine technically it is, but I'm of the opinion that as the community is small we can use common sense instead of overdoing the regulations. They aren't major changes, and I feel that reviewers should be able to do that. I mean, half the point of review is to eliminate such errors. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My concern is that it is a potential slippery slope, I'd rather see people worry as I have done above and err to caution than fix a BrockF5 special and review it. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There's another level above sighted, isn't there? Reviewed, or something, you've got it, dunno bout anyone else. When we ultimatly bring it in part of the check can be for edits made by the reviewer and during the review. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a reviewed level which only B'Crats can grant. It requires a reason and is a bit more than a rubber stamp. However, to be realistic we're not likely to be capable of using that until we're at 100+ regular contributors (WAG figure). I would then propose that some sort of mechanism be introduced to elect or otherwise appoint the people with the right. It should, I believe under such circumstances, be a use-it-or-lose-it privilege. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok then, but regardless, to go back to the original point, I shouldn't worry too much. I think a little c/e is fairly par fr the course with a review. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As a sole author of the F1-related issues for Wikinews, I agree completely... It's more important in case of newsworthiness to publish an article with a lesser delay and do a peer review lately. Especially in this particular case of a pole position which tomorrow (in a 24+ hours) will be of historical interest. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 17:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Los Angeles commuter train collides with freight train; over two dozen killed

The closing paragraph needs tightened. Both cars and trains are vehicles. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with my later article being merged with this one, as has been suggested. I steered clear of quoting the Times or other news media sources as I didn't want to submit copyrighted work. Whichever article goes up could benefit from links to the Wikipedia articles on Metrolink and Amtrak, etc., but I'm not familiar enough yet with Wikinews to know how to link back to Wikipedia. (I'm a Wikipedia editor, new to Wikinews.) - Elmarco (talk) 15:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You may copy the quotes themselves, but not the content afterwords. "I love art," said painter Potter, should be changed to "I love art," Potter told the BBC, or Potter said in a e-mail to the BBC. —Calebrw (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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Child stabbed in West Bank arson, Israeli settlers retaliate

September 13, 2008 A series of clashes in the West Bank have left several injured, following an arsonist's targeting of the Israeli settlement of Yitzhar.

An unknown Palestinian man began setting fire to several buildings in the village, when a 9-year old child saw him and started shouting. The man stabbed the child, causing only light injury, but sparking retribution from hundreds of Israeli villagers who attacked the Palestinian village of Assira Kubilyeh, smashing windows, shooting erractically and overturning a vehicle.

The child was taken to an Israeli hospital with light injuries.

The military reports that they had worked to remove the settlers from the village, imposed a curfew and confiscated weapons from two Israeli villagers. Palestinian sources report six injuries while the security forces reported four.

In recent days the area, a part of the Shomron district, registered a number of incidents, where on a number of occasions villagers from both Yitzhar and Shalhevet accused Palestinians of coming to their area and burning fields. On the opposite, Palestinians had claimed that villagers caused damage to plantations and property, and attacked farmers.


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West Bank arsonist stabs child, causing Israeli settlers to attack Palestinian village
West Bank arsonist stabs child, causing Israeli settlers to attack Palestinian villagehas been reviewed and published. —Calebrw (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears that there is some good faith discussion already going on about this on the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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Delhi rocked by bomb blasts

September 14, 2008 At least five bombs exploded in crowded markets and streets in the heart of India's capital New Delhi on Saturday killing 30 while injuring more than 100 people. The blasts at Ghaffar market in Karol Bagh, at Connaught Place and Greater Kailash took place in a quick succession.

In an e-mail sent to a local television news channel, a group claiming to be the Indian Mujahideen, appeared to take responsibility for the explosions.

"In the name of Allah, the Indian Mujahideen has struck back again. Do whatever you want. Stop us if you can," the e-mail said. The station says it received the e-mail before the explosions occurred.

Indian Mujahideen, a militant Islamist group, have claimed the responsibility of several attacks against civilian targets in India, claimed responsibility for the 2008 Delhi bombings through an e-mail sent to Indian media, which were all triggered within a 45-minute period. More than 400 people have died since October 2005 in bomb attacks on Indian cities such as Ahmedabad and Bangalore.

The first explosion rocked Gaffar market area of Karol Bagh in central Delhi at 18:15 (IST) in which at least 20 people were injured. The explosive was kept near a Maruti car, and resulted in a cylinder blast in an auto rickshaw, which was subsequently thrown up several feet into the air.

Immediately after, two explosions took place in Rajeev Chowk in which at least 10 people were injured. Police and witnesses said that went off in dustbins in and around Rajeev Chowk, a shopping and dining area popular with tourists and locals in the centre of the city. The first of these blasts occurred on Barakhamba Road, near Nirmal Tower and Gopal Das Bhavan. The second bomb exploded in the newly constructed Central Park in the centre of the Rajeev Chowk roundabout, built above one of the main stations of the Delhi Metro. An eyewitness reportedly saw two men place the bomb in a dustbin at Central Park.

Two explosions rocked M-Block market in Greater Kailash-I at about 18:40 (IST), the first near the popular Prince Paan Corner, and the other near a Levi's store. The latter damaged 10 shops.

Relief activities have been started while security has been put on high alert across the country following the deadly blasts in the Indian capital.

International Reactions

 * President, Asif Ali Zardari, "strongly condemned" the bomb attacks, expressing "shock and grief over the loss of precious human lives".
 * Prime Minister, Yousaf Raza Gillani, said the bombers were "enemies of humanity".
 * Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Shehrbano Rehman, condemned the serial blasts in New Delhi in strongest terms by saying that they were a “barbaric act of cowardice”, and that the elements involved in this act were enemies of humanity.

 * Secretary of State for Justice, Jack Straw, conveyed his deepest sympathies to the victims and the families of those affected. Straw, who was on a visit to India during this time, added that the British Government condemns all acts of terrorism, and hoped to work together with the Indian government to tackle terrorism.

 * United States Ambassador to India, David Mulford, said that there is no justification for the murder of innocent people and reiterated that his country stands shoulder to shoulder with India in the War on Terrorism.

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Talk:Los Angeles commuter train collides with freight train; at least 15 fatalities

Merge Los Angeles train crash kills ten in this. I created that because I was unaware of this, not realising that this was in development. I'm not a regular editor of Wikinews. I came here to read about the crash and, on seeing no article, started one. I must say there's no obvious way of finding out if a story has been started but is still "behind the scenes" - perhaps a front-page link to "stories in development" would be handy? Totnesmartin (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
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Interwiki is like this (check source). the w: prefix picks up wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Los Angeles commuter train collides head-on with freight train, 17 dead

I don't have any problem with this article being merged with the earlier. I steered clear of quoting the Times or other news media sources as I didn't want to submit copyrighted work. This article could benefit from links to the Wikipedia articles on Metrolink and Amtrak, etc., but I'm not familiar enough yet with Wikinews to know how to link back to Wikipedia. (I'm a Wikipedia editor, new to Wikinews.) - Elmarco (talk) 15:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


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This needs to rewritten into a news style. Listing quotes, especially in this format is very unprofessional and IMO just looks bad. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine as-is just now. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Channel Tunnel between France and Britain resumes limited service after major fire

September 13, 2008

The, which runs between France and Britain, has resumed limited services after an earlier fire. Of the two tunnels, only the South tunnel has been reopened to the trains that run the route, the blaze having seriously damaged the North tunnel.

The fire started on a freight train loaded with lorries. It burned for 16 hours and at its hottest was at 1,000°C. 27 lorries, six freight cars and a locomotive have been damaged. Significantly, the damage to the tunnel itself runs along a 700m stretch and exceeds the damage caused by an earlier fire last decade. The other fire required 200 million and a six month closure before the tunnel could be reopened.

The incident required 32 people, mainly lorry drivers, to be evacuated from the train, which was heading to. Fourteen were taken to hospital, some suffering from. Several of those who escaped have said that they had expected to die.

The fire's cause is unclear.  reports the fire started on board a vehicle carrying chemicals, but the BBC reports that the origin is unknown. Both sources confirm a lorry carrying was on board and French authorities say it is overturned near the seat of the fire, but it is unclear if this is the lorry the Guardian meant.

are operating some passenger trains through the tunnel, and limited freight services have also resumed, but long delays are expected. Car trains have not yet resumed.

transport spokesman commented that he felt the fire was worrying, saying "[w]hile thankfully nobody was killed in this incident, two significant fires in 11 years should act as a wake-up call."

However, operator, who run regular evacuation drills, was pleased with the response by its staff.

French authorities are investigating the accident as it occurred at the French side, seven miles from the French exit of the 32-mile tunnel.


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Talk:New polls show third party U.S. presidential candidates varying radically in popularity

Places
This should be clarified, it could mean places in the pols (which I think it does mean), or places ... ideologically, physically, emotionally, spiritually, geographically, sexually, etc. Either, way it need clarification. Without formally reviewing the article, it's back to develop for me. —Calebrw (talk) 18:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Why are we quoting online polls?
Online polls have long been shown to be completely invalid statistically, due to extreme selection biases, lack of mechanisms to verify users or limit them to single votes, etc. Thus, I don't see why it's worth having an article mentioning the results of an online poll at all, and especially not one of a group which by its very nature has a tremendous selection bias. It's simply not newsworthy. John Darrow (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I'm not even going to bother turning on the TV or go to Gallup.com to find out poll results. I'll just go to Wikinews! conman33 22:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Typo
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Talk:Child stabbed in West Bank arson, Israeli settlers retaliate

Needs another english source and for the second and third sources to be put in proper format. —Calebrw (talk) 18:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Name change
Article name-change was a bad edit and made the title non-neutral towards the Israelis who responded to a Palestinian stabbing one of their children. The Associated Press source supports this issue. 87.70.38.15 21:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Change: "Israeli 9 year old stabbed by Palestinian; attack sets off rampage in West Bank" moved to "West Bank arsonist stabs child, causing Israeli settlers to attack Palestinian village". I think a mix of the two would be appropriate. —Calebrw (talk) 22:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Arsonist suggest he has done this before. The title is too long and the title is not supposed to tell the story. To make it simple and have the reader enticed to read the article: "Child stabbed in attack in West Bank". DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Child stabbed in West Bank arson, Israeli settlers retaliate has been chosen. —Calebrw (talk) 22:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The news story is about the arson, and the retaliation; both "major" attacks that targeted large populations. It is not about whichever of the 7 "lightly injured" victims was cutest. "Israeli 9 year old stabbed by Palestinian" is laughably POV, and completely sensationalises the story to the point we might as well stop referring to ourselves as Wikinews and simply become Wikipropaganda. The current title (Child stabbed in West Bank arson, Israeli settlers retaliate) is "acceptable". Sherurcij 23:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The "laughably POV" title was chosen based on the main source - i.e. Associated Press. I wonder why it's POV to note that a Palestinian did the stabbing, but it's ok to use Israel for retaliation. There was nothing wrong with the initial title and the "violent Israelis" POV title change was - pardon my language - bullshit. 87.70.38.15 18:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Btw, I don't understand why this "NPOV" edit removed the notes about the stabbing and diminishes them with "causing only light injury" while focusing greatly on only the Israeli side of the "rampage" (i.e. no mention of the stone throwers from the village). Where do I report biased editors here ? 87.70.38.15 18:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:New polls show third party U.S. presidential candidates varying radically in popularity

This just in: "New poll shows 99% that Nader, Paul, and Barr have no chance of winning" - Let's keep that in mind.
 * "Keeping that in mind" is the main reason third parties have such a hard time getting anywhere. That, and the two-party system has stacked the deck against them with districting, ballot access restrictions, debate participation requirements, and so on.  Better to vote for ANY third party than either major party, if only to let them know what we really think, rather than fall into the lesser-of-two-evils trap.  The only wasted vote is one for a Democrat or Republican; it will only bring more of the same, and it will only continue to get worse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.238.26 (talk) 00:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I've been waiting my ENTIRE life to vote for somebody like Charles Jay from the Boston Tea Party, or better yet, Gene Amondson of the Prohibition Party. I can't wait to see them win! They always say "votes don't get counted in elections", like in Florida (2000) and Ohio (2004) but voting third party just about seals up the fact that you FOR SURE go unnoticed in practicing the greatest American right - voting. I believe that if you aren't settled on a candidate the minute you pick up that pencil in the voting booth, or you decide to vote for somebody simply in protest (third party, "none of the above") you shouldn't have even bothered making the effort to drive/walk to the election center because nobody cares about that vote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.175.146 (talk) 03:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The point may not necessarily be for a particular candidate to actually get elected. A strong showing by a third party of any stripe can shake up the duopoly.  With the relatively small shocks from the likes of Jesse Ventura, Ross Perot, to some degree Ralph Nader, and lately Ron Paul, they've reacted with the measures mentioned above to make it harder than ever for any voice but that from the major parties to be heard (and yes, the singular grammar there is intentional) -- and it would also seem the Libertarian Party has been nicely infiltrated, as evidenced by recent events.  But if there's any actual point of voting at all, if the system even in any diminished and distorted capacity still somehow reflects the will of the people, then the more people that cast votes for third-party and independent candidates, the more the established powers are forced to respond.  Ultimately, the Green Party or the Libertarian Party or whomever doesn't need to actually win, but votes for them will influence the direction the major parties take.  The positions and philosophies (and buzzwords and rhetoric) can be assimilated.  (Of course, whether the major parties would actually live up to their new promises, and whether the public would take them to task for their failure to do so, is quite another problem ...)  To suggest that someone should vote for one major party simply as a vote against the other major party -- which is the ultimate effect of what you're saying, since the winner is so obviously certain to be one of the two, so why bother to vote for one unless it's because, for whatever reasons you might think you have, you hate the other so very much? -- is to say that voting should not be a reflection of what you believe, but simply a defensive measure.  Personally, I think if there's any point to voting, it is specifically because (and assuming the system is not COMPLETELY fake) it's a chance, however remote, to bring your beliefs to bear in the world.  All the water-cooler chatter and blogging and Wikinews comment editing ultimately boils down to the vote (again, at least in theory), and you should really MEAN it.  If more people did that, rather than shrug off third parties as wasted votes, it could actually make some kind of difference.  And if it doesn't, we've got bigger problems than who you voted for.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.238.26 (talk) 06:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

My two cents: keep in mind this poll is w.r.t. people from the John Birch Society. Fephisto (talk) 15:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


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Please add es: interwiki Mueren al menos trece personas por violencia en Kenia Thanks! - 190.245.76.100 01:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Already there. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. That's right, sorry. I hadn't seen it since you guys changed the position of the interwikis... - 190.245.76.100 02:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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Russian Boeing 737 crashes with 88 aboard

September 14, 2008

According to Russian officials, an Aeroflot-Nord, Flight 821, a Boeing 737-500 crashed near the city of Perm at 3:15 a.m. local time with 88 people aboard, all feared to have been killed. There were six crew and 82 passengers from 21 different nations including seven children and one baby on board the plane. Reuters quotes the Ekho Moskvy (Echo of Moscow) radio station in Russia that all on board were dead.

The plane took off at 1:12 a.m. local time and was traveling from Moscow to Perm when officials at the Bolshoye Savino Airport lost contact with the aircraft at about 1,800 meters in altitude. The plane crashed just outside the airport, while on final approach to land. One report says it crashed into a ravine while another states it crashed into a swampy area. Wreckage is reported to cover nearly 3 sq mi (4 km2). The wreckage burst into flames and one Russian report says the pilots tried to avoid hitting residential homes that were near the scene. The plane's wreckage was found a short time after the crash. Part of the main Trans-Siberian Railway line was damaged as a result of the crash and has been closed.

"We have found the aircraft. It came down within the city limits (in Perm) in a patch of waste ground. Initial reports are of no casualties on the ground," said the Emergencies Ministries who also said that there was "no damage or deaths on the ground."

Witnesses in apartments near the crash describe it as sounding like a "war [had] started", followed by a "huge flames." One witness reports that the plane was at a 30 to 40 degree angle when it smashed into the terrain.

The aircraft, registered as number VP-BKO, was sixteen years old, originally operated by Xiamen Airlines.

Officials are currently investigating the cause of the crash, but Sky News in Australia reports that there is no indication that terrorism was involved. TIME reports that officials have located the plane's two black boxes and are analyzing the information.

This is said to be Russia's worst commercial air disaster since August 2006 when 170 people died after a Tupolev Tu-154 passenger jet, flight 612, owned by St. Petersburg-based Pulkovo Airlines, crashed in the Ukraine. An investigation concluded that it had been hit by lightning.


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Aeroflot B737-300 A similar model aircraft in Aeroflot livery is available in Commons. Not sure if that is a better choice than the LOT liveried image of the correct model or not.LeadSongDog (talk) 17:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia has an image of the aircraft 2 days before it was destroyed here w:Image:Aeroflot-Nord_VP-BKO_Boeing_737-500.jpg. Not sure with licensing on how to transfer it to wikimedia commons. Aalox (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if we cannot get that image uploaded to commons, they still have planes that are Boeing 737-400's, but not the exact plane. Keep in mind we need to keep the image as close to the original plane as possible, which means the same airline and type. Having other airlines could mislead readers into thinking that a Polish plane crashed or the likes. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


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Canada's leadership debate: the Green Party will take part

September 14, 2008 After originally excluding Green Party leader Elizabeth May from participation in the party leaders debate in the 2008 Canadian Parliamentary election, the consortium of Canadian broadcasters reversed itself and has confirmed she will participate in the events on October 1 and 2.

The consortium reported that one or more of the major parties threatened to boycott the debates if May was allowed to participate. However, by denying the Greens the networks were violating their own requirement rules after the Green Party gained a sitting Member of Parliament prior to the election being called. May responded to being shut out of the events by saying she had retained legal counsel to examine the situation.

Liberal party leader Stéphane Dion immediately supported the Greens participation, and Gilles Duceppe of the Bloc Québécois assured the press they had not threatened to boycott. Stephen Harper of the Conservative Party and Jack Layton of the New Democratic Party (NDP) both said they were opposed to May's joining the debate.

On Wednesday Layton and Harper reversed their positions, stating they were no longer opposed to her attendance, and shortly thereafter the networks confirmed May would be a participant. Layton described the issue as a distraction to his campaign after facing protesters Tuesday evening.

In the Canadian political system there have been four dominant parties in recent Parliaments. Two of these, the Liberals and the Conservatives, have formed previous governments; neither the NDP nor the Bloc Québécois have even been involved in coalition government.


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Comments:Los Angeles commuter train collides with freight train; over two dozen killed

Are U.S. rail safety standards stringent enough?
In my opinion yes. The Federal Railroad Administration is known for their strict guidelines. An example is the Acela train, it is shaped like France's TGV trains but based off a different series entirely. However, the cars and the locomotives are built much heavier then what the TGV weighs because of the FRA's "different approach to crash standards" (to quote the Acela Wikipedia article).

On top of that, the Acela runs just slightly higher than ordinary commuter trains speed on some parts of its line, the Northeast Corridor, because the trains are designed to tilt but they were built too wide and can possibly clip the side of passing trains on parallel tracks.

So yes, I say our rail safety standards are some of the most stringent in the world. Trains are behemoth vehicles, they are powerful and generally can more or less demolish a road vehicle and as we can see also, greatly damage other locomotives. For the most part in general, the majority of rail accidents occur because of human error on behalf of an engineer or if it was the track, it was most likely bad maintenance work or neglect on the behalf of the railroad's maintenance department. --TUFKAAP (talk) 04:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Child stabbed in West Bank arson, Israeli settlers retaliate

I wonder if it was a Israeli stabbing a Arab Liberals will be going crazy. --66.229.17.181 05:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Get your pitiful trolling off wikinews. I thought all Israeli settlements were all supposed to be evacuated in a recent treaty and no attacks done on Israeli citizens within the set border. Maybe that has something to do with all of this. 65.1.171.29 07:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not trolling (btw that's my IP I'm too lazy to sign at times) I'm stating a fact, and the treaty was in the Gaza strip last time i check. --KDP3 (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I mean the all inclusive permanent status treaty they are working on right now. There are many complications settling the permanent status issues. Of course the final form may not be done by the end of this year, but no Israeli settlements are to be expanding right now regardless. Ah, why bring up political bickering that doesn't apply to Israel if you are not trolling? 65.1.171.29 07:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 * yet again I'm putting out Liberal Bias towards The Israeli-Arab conflicts. If a Israeli Do something all holy hell breaks lose, But if a Arab stabs a kid. Not a single word is said. Same thing can be said in Iraq and Afghanistan. And this is --KDP3 (talk) 08:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I just loooove palestinians n Israelites fighting all the time.. just makes me proud of what people stand up for: false claims and ridiculous lies under the name that says it all: "religion" I just wish there was a God so I can join him for a good laugh at these stupid people.. all believing in books that mean shit and killing each other in the name of peace and prosperity. if you are going to fight then fight about real issues and not that shit...pussies..


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Current plans for an all party debate is absolutely a waste of time and I for one will not waste time watching this. One leader has no interest in a united Canada, 2 others will interupt the meeting and promise the world since they will nothing they have to provide leaving 2 sides that we already know about. Seems a waste of costly air time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.95.58.241 (talk) 05:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Should the debates be limited to only those parties likely to form a government?
No, parties unlikely to form a government should not be allowed to participate. That being said, the Bloc Quebecois shouldn't be taking part either.

The Green party are a complete waste of time. Even when they got in the debates they still couldn't win a seat. Disband this joke party and go back to the Liberals where you belong. Unless you want to keep giving the neo-cons election wins because our left vote is split 3 (4 in Quebec) ways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.203.152 (talk) 00:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

And giving Canada a two party system just like the united-states with all it's flaws and anti-democratic nature. No thanks. Canada being the 9th best democracy according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index, and the two party U.S being lower in the rating , I think it's best we keep it the way it is.

Bad toupe
Is the man in the photo with the bad toupe from the Bloc Quebequois? --Brian McNeil / talk 17:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's Stephen Harper, (idiot) Prime Minister of Canada. And that isn't a toupe, it's just a really, really bad haircut. We're all embarrassed about it, so we try not to mention it. If you hover over the pictures it says who they are. Gopher65talk 20:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If he was in America I'd recommend suing his hairdresser. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hell no!
Absolutely not should the debates be exclusive to the parties likely to form a government. Doing that would simply make the debates liberal party vs. conservative party, excluding the other two parties that have a long standing significance in parliament (NDP, The Bloc). Doing so would only teeter Canada closer to America´s two party system, which I would argue is a very bad thing. I believe any party with significant membership should be able to participate in the debates, so everyone´s choices are made clear, especially if they had a member in Parliament (Green). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.15.93 (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No. The environment is an important issue to some people, and the Greens pulled an impressive 5% last election. Let them have their say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.194.101 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No. The last thing Canada needs is a two party system with its propensity to inbred political hierarchy. Multiparty system gives Canadians more say in what our government does by offering more choice of platforms and perspectives and makes the representatives more accountable too by offering more opportunity for voters to look elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.186.242.31 (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, the debates should be restricted to parties who hold seats in Parliament; otherwise, we might as well open up the debates for any party on the register. Next year we'll have the Rhinoceros Party on the debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.155.24 (talk) 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No they shouldn't, cause thats the way they do it in the U.S., and i don't like it.
They really shouldn't do this. This is because in the U.S., people like Ralph Nader are not aloud in the debates for he is running as an independent. And I think everyone should really be aloud in Canada, for they do not just have two dominant parties (which is good, for in the U.S., if you want to make it anywhere in politics, you must be part of the two major parties), and everyone is more equally represented. Duckwariorrandom (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree with all those `no` to the question stated above except the first no which seems contradictory —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.207.82.37 (talk) 18:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Green Party excluded from debates
Bold text'''As they should be. Get one single seat and then they might be taken a little seriously. They are at 3% of popular vote - we only have a limited amount of debate time to choose between leaders that actually have a chance to govern or at least get a handful of seats - the Green Party wastes that time by cutting into it - they do not merit a spot in the televised debates.


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Noel Edmonds, British TV presenter, starts boycott of TV license fee in UK

September 14, 2008

Noel Edmonds, a British television presenter, has said that he is not paying the television license fee in protest at the way the BBC "badgers, hectors and threatens" people who avoid paying the fee.

"Auntie's put boxing gloves on. I'm so incensed by the idea that I'm guilty of something that I actually cancelled my licence fee a few months ago," said Edmonds, making his non-payment of the fee public on the BBC Breakfast television program.

"There are too many organisations — and the BBC is a fabulous organisation — that seem to think it's OK to badger, hector and threaten people," he continued. "When I was at the BBC, it promoted the licence fee by saying how wonderful it was because — let's face it — the BBC licence fee is astonishing value," added Edmonds explaining the way he believes the license fee should be promoted.

Edmonds also claimed that TV licensing "haven't found me, and nobody's come knocking on the door." This is despite adverts by the organisations that, according to Edmonds, say "we know where you are."

TV Licensing responded to Edmond's comments by saying that "while we would always prefer people buy a licence rather than risk prosecution and a fine, TV Licensing has a duty to enforce the licence fee on behalf of the honest majority who pay."

"Unfortunately some people will only buy a licence when warned of the consequences of being unlicensed."


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Researcher claims unmarked grave contains 1950 Lake Michigan plane crash victims

September 14, 2008

A researcher from Holland, Michigan claims to have found an unmarked grave containing human remains from Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 2501. The airliner vanished over Lake Michigan in 1950 with 55 passengers and three crew.

Valerie van Heest says she has discovered that human remains washed ashore after the June 23 crash, the cause of which remains undetermined although severe weather at the time may have had an impact. She says that after the remains appeared they were placed in a mass grave in nearby Riverview Cemetery in St. Joseph without the relatives being notified. The grave was never marked.

Both the Michigan Shipwreck Research Associates, who document shipwrecks in the area, and author Clive Cussler have spent years searching for the McDonnell-Douglas DC4 but without success.

Van Heest Said of the victims' relatives “After more than a half-century they are still interested in learning what befell their loved ones... One 89-year-old woman in New York lost her mother in the crash. She told me, ’Valerie, please help find her before I die.’ ”

A black granite monument engraved with the names of everyone on board has been donated by a funeral home in South Haven. It will be unveiled at a ceremony on September 20. The families of 47 of the 58 victims have been notified of the new developments.


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Helicopter crash in Australia kills four

September 15, 2008

A helicopter went down in the Kimberley region of Australia killing four civilians. The pilot, who was male, died along with three female passengers. The crash happened at the Purnululu National Park. A bushfire was started by the crash but authorities say it will be contained. The accident occurred 6.2 miles from the Bellburn airstrip serving the town of Argyle, where there is a diamond mine.

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Rather a poorly-written article, neh? Are basic english flaws not considered in the review process Brian? -  Amgine | t 14:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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In places this reads almost exactly like the article in the TIMES.. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


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Sebastian Vettel wins 2008 Italian Grand Prix

September 14, 2008

Scuderia Toro Rosso–Ferrari driver Sebastian Vettel won from the pole position the FIA Formula One 2008 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia race at Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Italy.

The track was wet and the weather conditions were rainy during first half of the race, but in the second half the rain stopped and the track dried out. Rain is a rare event for the Formula One at Monza. The last wet race held in Monza was in 1956.

German driver Vettel controlled the race for the entire time and gave no opportunities for McLaren-Mercedes driver Heikki Kovalainen to overtake him.

Robert Kubica (BMW Sauber) was the only driver to gain a substantial amount of places. He started in 11th but finished on the podium in third place.

The other Toro Rosso driver who started in fourth yesterday, Sébastien Bourdais, was not as successful as his German colleague, finishing in one of the last positions after his engine stalled at the start.

Fernando Alonso progressed from 8 to 4th place for Renault with the second BMW driver Nick Heidfeld finishing behind the Spaniard from the 10th place on the start.

Poor qualification results of Ferrari drivers Felipe Massa and Kimi Räikkönen as well as the first McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton only partially were compensated by their high race pace. Three championship leaders finished 6th, 9th and 7th. Kimi was split from them by Mark Webber from Red Bull-Renault, who closed the top eight and with whom Kimi struggled on the dying laps of the race.

Lewis Hamilton still leads the Drivers' standings only one point ahead of Felipe Massa and 14 ahead Robert Kubica. Constructors' championship is currently owned by Ferrari 5 points ahead of McLaren and 17 ahead of BMW.


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Alaska Airlines set to cut up to 1000 jobs

September 14, 2008 American airline, Alaska Airlines have announced that they plan to cut 1000 jobs. They also plan to reduce their flight departures by 15%. The job losses will account for about 10% of their work force and affects pilots, cabin crew, technicians and service staff. The cuts are due to start on November 9 of this year and then lead into 2009.

Bill Ayer, chairman and CEO of Alaska Air Group said, "The one-two punch of record oil prices and a softening economy, on top of increased competition, has burdened Alaska Air Group with a $50 million loss on an adjusted basis for the first half of this year. That demands decisive action to ensure the viability of our company."

The airline made a $50m loss in the first half of this year. They currently have a fleet of 111 Boeing 737s and around 10,000 staff.

These calls come around the same time as other airlines are making cuts due to the rising fuel costs. They also come as British leisure group XL entered administration.


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