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User talk:IlyaHaykinson/Archive1

Due to time constraints I won't be able to do much on Wikinews in the next couple of weeks. I think we need to revise the article stages process quite a bit, and you've expressed some interesting ideas on that. I would like to ask you to take the lead here. Please edit Article stages (maybe rename to "Article development") and suggest an alternative model.

One idea that could work for now is to simply allow editors to add links to stories anywhere, and to subsequently tag stories with different objections. Stories with unresolved objections could be moved to the "Editor tasks" box which could be separated into the different types of objections (NPOV, incomplete, etc.). The review process could be done away with for now, or replaced with a process similar to w:Wikipedia:Featured article candidates.

But these are just my quick thoughts on the matter, and again, I'd like to ask you to experiment with this.--Eloquence 20:43, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Sure. I think I can try to do this. I'll have more free time starting in two days and will spend some of that time trying to organize a few coherent ideas. Thanks for your vote of confidence. -- IlyaHaykinson 20:57, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ahem, I've gone ahead and made some drastic changes to Article development and the index pages. Please take a look.--Eloquence 03:55, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Categories
My personal view is that each story should have a date, location, and subject category. It should be fairly obvious for each article which location and subject sub-categories they should be placed in. I do not think that all articles should automatically appear in their respective continent or major subject categories though, it really depends on the importance of the story.

For example: there are quite a lot of Judo articles at the moment, they obviously should go in the Judo category, but I don't think any of them are of sufficient import to appear in Category:Sports. Whilst the project is small it doesn't matter if every article goes in every subject for which it is applicable, but if Wikinews grows having every sports story in Category:Sports will result in a bit of a mess.

That's just my two pence worth. Categories are difinately something we need to draw a policy up on sometime in the near future. Rje 01:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Barnstar
Administrator Lyellin awarded this barnstar to me for the weather report. I must share it with you for developing the first versions of our automated, weather data-gathering tool, "WeatherChecker".

Thanks Ilya!

— DV 06:17, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you for getting the news project going and inspiring me to help out! -- IlyaHaykinson 06:20, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry- I didn't realize the connection or I would have popped on here too... and it's Lyellin... the Administrator only means I can delete and ban people, nothing more, nothign special. Lyellin 15:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Stylebook issues
Davodd, thanks for working on the stylebook. But to reduce duplication of similar information, you might want to either merge or somehow integrate with Style_guide and Content guide. -- IlyaHaykinson 01:08, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm going to attempt to integrate all of them into one article and redirect the others to the main space. Davodd 01:14, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Main page layout improvements
Hi Ilya,

I set up a sandbox for the Main Page to illustrate an improved layout that addresses some of the issues a number of our readers have had with navigation and readability.

Please check it out and let me know what you think on the Main Page sandbox discussion page. (I also listed some of the reasons for switching to this new layout on that page.)

One of the issues I wanted to point out to you specifically is the width of the weather map. It turns out the reason the main page has such a large minimum width is that the weather map is dictating the minimum cell size for the main table that holds each of the major sections.

So, I'm going back to the Photoshop underlay and removing all of the city names, and then going back to the Illustrator CS file to replace all of the city labels in a larger typeface, which will allow us to reduce the size of the weather map down to the size shown in the sandbox, while still being legible to our readers. Moving the city labels from the Photoshop underlay into the Illustrator CS file will also allow us to make the cities dynamically visible in case WeatherChecker skips a city due to a missing report, so we won't have any more city names with missing dots.

While I'm at it, I'm also using a star symbol and a seconday typeface family for all of the cities which are capitols, and also adding labels for the major oceans.

Anyways, I hope we can reach a consensus on the main page sandbox, to solve the serious navigation and readability issues with the current main page design.

Happy holidays.

Regards,

— DV 20:54, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the comments on Main_Page/WideSandbox3. I replied to your comments over there.

Dateline in article title
My primary purpose for including the date in the title is the limited namespace; although each article is automatically dated, there can be only one "President Addresses Congress" article. Ever. But you could have a new one every day if you add the date.

The logic for the date preceding the article title is just a personal habit; computers will automatically date-sort your files if you precede the file title with YYMMDD. The date could just as easily be after.

Pipes are easy to implement. So headlines and links can be any text you'd prefer. And the search will still find the article title without the date. - Amgine 07:14, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the response! I can certainly understand some of your arguments, though I am ultimately unconvinced. I am also not aware of a specific written article naming policy. But then, I'm having considerable difficulty locating *any* wikinews policies. In the meantime, I will avoid adding dateline info to titles by not adding new articles for a bit. - Amgine 08:26, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Problems with image cache affecting weather report
Hi Ilya,

Well, I've tried using the "current" and "previous" scheme, as requested by Monet from the German Wikinews, (and to avoid having to update the links template everyday), but image caching seems to be defeating my efforts.

Half the time I click on the weather, I get an image from yesterday or two days ago, and I have to hold down shift or control-shift to force the cache to purge and retrieve the latest image.

I believe most of our readers are probably being served the day old images, which is making the weather appear outdated.

I see there is a way to construct a "purge" link I could place on the weather page, but that seems a bit much to ask of the casual reader.

Do you have any ideas? Or should I go back to using image file names with embedded dates, to force the latest image to show up?

Regards,

— DV 03:51, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Follow up on your main page layout ideas
Please check out Main_Page/Sandbox3 and Main_Page/WideSandbox3 once again.

I added more lead stories per your example provided in the Sandbox4.

I'm thinking about making a jumbo version for 1600x1200 monitors, in which case we would have a "jumbotron" icon next to the small and large icons in the nav bar. The jumbo version could have the More Stories as a second main column to the right of the lead story column, and move the developing stories column down underneath the lead stories area.

I've asked a few other contributors to join the discussion on the wide version's talk page.

— DV 08:52, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Weather location changes
I also noticed Delhi was missing, so I changed it to New Delhi a few days ago.

In addition to Oslo, we've also been missing Athens every time, Almaty sometimes, and sporadically Kinshasa.

I also wanted to add a few out-of-the-way locations as well, (perhaps in the Artic/Antartic and the Sahara) to register some more extreme temperatures for the expanded temperature gradient.

Hopefully one of us can track down an online source for a map of the airport locations. Some countries have so many airports that aren't named by city that's it's like picking a needle out of a haystack to find the one you're looking for, unless you have a map on which you can plot lat/long numbers.

Regards,

— DV 15:59, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I've actually been using http://www.airport-technology.com/icao-codes/ to find the codes. It's not a bad resource (though not a map, it does index by city name). -- IlyaHaykinson 18:26, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip. It looks like there is only one airport serving Athens, the one that is always broken. I guess we will need to choose an alternative city for that one. I will update the ".wcheck" file and e-mail it to you for archival purposes once its ready.

 * By the way, it seems like the Commons will only let me upload text and certain formats of image files, but not anything else. How are we going to archive these materials other than on our local machines? Do you want to host them on the WeatherChecker site?

 * Regards,

 * — DV 18:54, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * What about storing it inside ...  tags like so? -- IlyaHaykinson 19:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Great. I didn't know you could do that. Perfect for the ".wcheck" file. Do you want me to make a subpage under your WeatherChecker page? — DV 20:01, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * That works. Also if you want, you can move the WeatherChecker page itself to be a subpage under Weather, something like Weather/WeatherChecker. -- IlyaHaykinson 20:41, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

possible copyvio?
A big chunk was added to Tsunami Help/Aid Agencies/Europe, and summary was "copied from"... Most likely copied from another wikinews page, but... could you double check? or I will if I get caught up here. - Amgine 21:02, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * It seems to have come from Donations_for_victims_of_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake so it's fine license-wise. -- IlyaHaykinson 23:05, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Someone wrote earlier that we can't copy text from Wikipedia, because they have the stricter GFDL license (that requires author attribution, for example), while we're still editing under a PD license.

 * Are you sure we can really copy from Wikipedia?

 * — DV 05:25, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Depends. If a link is provided, then the authorship chain is considered still valid. - Amgine 05:27, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Weather update
Hi Ilya,

I updated the WeatherChecker application with the following changes:

 * Added variables to automatically update the date and time.
 * Added variables to control the visibility of the Fahrenheit and Celsius legends.
 * Updated the version number to 1.6.

Please update the installer and change log on the WeatherChecker web site, as well as the Change log here on Wikinews when you have a chance.

As for the current selection of cities, I updated the map artwork, variable list, and ".wcheck" files to include the following additional cities:

 * Barrow, Alaska
 * Berlin, Germany
 * Singapore
 * South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (replaces Stanley)
 * Wellington, New Zealand

Also, Lagos and Addis Ababa stopped working today, but I'll give it a day or so to see if this is a temporary reporting glitch.

By the way, I thought about moving the WeatherChecker page onto the Weather page, but then it would be in the article namespace, wouldn't it? Is there some other non-user and non-article namespace to which we could move the page? Could we create a "WeatherChecker" namespace?

Regards,

— DV 06:59, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Awesome changes. New installer built, posted. Change log updated.
 * We could move this to something like WeatherChecker — that might be better than a whole new namespace.
 * Also: I've looked at the original METAR data; worst-case it's not too horribly difficult to parse. I confirmed that it wasn't just Capescience's web service that wasn't returning data for some places (like Stanley, Falkland Islands) — there wasn't raw METAR data for that station either. There's also weather forecast data in TAF format (similar to METAR) which we could in theory use if we wanted to show future weather. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:26, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I like your idea of bypassing CapeScience and downloading the data from NOAA ourselves, however, the METAR data is not strongly typed. I found this link that accepts codes for locations outside of the U.S., but it's not clear how this data could be used by WeatherChecker. Wouldn't we need to re-create all of the "capesceience.cs" routines to add the strong-typing required by WeatherChecker? For example, I'm planning to use the "phenomenon" member field for sunny/cloudy conditions.

 * I'm motivated to look into using NOAA directly, because the live Capescience site is down this morning. (By the way, when the site is down, WeatherChecker generates an unhandled exception in one of the "capescience.cs" routines, because those functions don't have exception handlers. I would have added exception handlers myself, but there's a warning at the top of the file that states it is auto-generated. So to avoid overwriting such changes whenever the file is updated, wouldn't the updater need to merge any added exception handlers each time?)

 * Anyways, we are at the mercy of the CapeScience site at the moment, so the next Weather report will be delayed until their site is back up.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 18:26, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Hello again. I made more progress on the WeatherChecker application:

 * Added resizing rules to allow the layout to resize with the parent window.
 * Updated various buttons and text labels to use more concise names and standard dimensions.
 * Moved UI elements around to better organize the layout.
 * Added "Phenomenon" text field and label, and updated its value when a station is clicked in either the Available or Selected station list. (To be used for Sunny/Cloudy icons.)
 * Added the station identifier to the alert message when attempting to add a previously selected station to the Selected Stations list.
 * Changed the member field name of the "_load" button to "_loadCountries".
 * Updated version number to 1.7.

 * Please update the screenshot, the installer, and the change log on the WeatherChecker web site, as well as the Change log here on Wikinews when you have a chance.

 * By the way, the CapeScience site is still down. It will be interesting to see if they are working over the weekend, otherwise it won't be back up until Monday. This site outage is a good reason to consider using NOAA, as NOAA probably has personnel monitoring their own site 24x7.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 19:37, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Released, new screenshot (temp until capescience comes back up). Thanks for moving the page, by the way. I'll do some more investigation of parsing NOAA data (perhaps there are .NET libraries built for this already). -- IlyaHaykinson 02:45, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Moving to NOAA for Weather updates
Well, a full day has gone by, and CapeScience is still down as of this writing. There is no notice of when it will be back up again either.

I'm still a bit hazy on how to get started on using the NOAA data. Can't we just use the XML class that WeatherChecker is using for output to read the data in from the NOAA site?

If so, then parsing isn't really the issue, so much as hooking into a different site that doesn't appear to have the same high-level interface as CapeScience does.

Please let me know if there is any general programming task I can help out with, so we can get up and running again ASAP. I'm not sure how to modify WeatherChecker to access the XML on NOAA, but if you can figure out that much, I am eager to jump in and help continue the coding effort from that point forward.

Regards,

— DV 12:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I'm very disappointed in the capescience web service, but I guess it's better to use the data we get from the source, after all.
 * Reusing the current code won't work, because the data returned by the NOAA is not in the same format at all.
 * I've already started researching the parsing of METAR and TAF data, and I think that it can be done without too much difficulty. Unfortunately we can't use the XML feed from NOAA because it's only available for locations within the United States (darn it!). The METAR parsing will take some time, but perhaps I can do it in phases (i.e. I think I can make it pull out the temperature fairly easily).
 * We will likely be able to continue using the .wcheck file as a list of pre-selected stations to query, but the method of query will have to change to be over FTP or HTTP instead. Additionally NOAA doesn't provide a good list of stations per country, but there's a text file on the web with a list of all of them that I'll link here when I find it again. Maybe later we can write code to parse that file.
 * Let me see how far I get when I get started today, and perhaps then we'll divide the coding work. -- IlyaHaykinson 20:06, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually it's going fairly well, since we don't need all the available data. I've checked in code that will parse the METAR data enough that you can get the temperature.
 * Check out the new code. It's not yet hooked up to support clicking on the individual stations, but if you just Import the .wcheck file, and click Run Report it seems to produce a valid report. Let me know how it goes for you! -- IlyaHaykinson 22:00, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow, that was fast. I will "CVS Update" right now and try it out. — DV 07:15, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Did you forget to commit the "WeatherParser" files? An error alert appears when I open the solution, and the WeatherParser project is marked as "unavailable". — DV 08:00, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * No, it's all committed (and now parses cloud cover and phenomena, too). Loading countries and station selection still won't work till we figure out a better source for a list of stations (and thus make the code completely independent from the non-functional capescience).
 * If it's not showing up for you, make sure you run the cvs update from the root weatherchecker directory (not just the directory with the solution and project files, but the one containing it). -- IlyaHaykinson 09:29, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip - WeatherChecker is building on my dev machine now. It sure is a lot faster now isn't it?

 * However, I'm wondering about the data integrity. For example, I don't believe it is really 91.4 degrees Fahrenheit in Churchill, Man., Canada. It's usually below freezing at night in that location, so this number seems like an error.

 * I'm double-checking some of the other temperatures against the Weather Channel just to see if there is a more general problem.

 * As for generating a list of all available cities, can't we just use the codes from the ICAO website to generate the list ourselves? I could just go through each letter of the alphabet and copy all of the cities on the ICAO list into another .wcheck file that we could use as the "Countries" source, couldn't I? — DV 10:12, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Here is the first test image I generated with the most recent changes:

 * Churchill is the only one that seems messed up so far. I'll let you know if I spot any others.

 * — DV 10:31, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the Churchill thing was a complete fluke: perhaps their weather station got set up next to a space heater? :) It's returning temperatures below freezing now. As far as I understand capescience would have provided the same temperatures as NOAA.
 * As for countries — it might be more difficult that this since there's thousands of these stations. I'll do some research on this. -- IlyaHaykinson 16:49, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, Churchill is back to freezing their buns off :), so I posted the latest maps on the main weather template.

 * I went back to the ICAO site and I think I could copy and paste all of the entries into a text file in about an hour or so, however it's missing the longitude and latitude coordinates. It would be nice to have coordinates, as we could then allow WeatherChecker users to choose random locations and then composite their choices onto a topo map underlay directly within the application.

 * I see that the CapeScience site is back up this evening. Unless you have a better idea, I've started running an older version of WeatherChecker and generating a ".wcheck" file for each country's list of locations, from which we will be able to compile a worldwide list of our own, for use in the new NOAA-based WeatherChecker.

 * However, this will probably take many hours, so if you come up with a better idea, please let me know!

 * By the way, do the phenomena fields being parsed from the NOAA data have the same possible values as used on CapeScience? It sure would be nice to finally have cloudy/sunny/rainy.

 * Regards, — DV 06:33, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * For your evaluation, I sent a zip file to your gmail account, containing the station profile data for all of the countries beginning with the letters A-B, ending with Brazil. I also added all the stations for the United States. Please let me know if we can use the files I sent you to build our worldwide station database, in which case I will continue building the remainder of the database in the same manner. I estimate it will take one or two hours to compile them all in this manner, so please let me know if you have a better idea.

 * — DV 07:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've found the recently-updated station list: see the links at http://weather.noaa.gov/tg/site.shtml. I will the new weatherchecker loading this by sometime end of day Friday. I will take a look at my Gmail in the morning. I suspect that we can just pull data out of this NOAA file rather than you or anyone else doing this manually.

As for phenomena: the weather report of type MetarEntry includes an array of phenomena (of type Phenomenon) which expose what should be the same properties as the capescience service (it is based on the same data, after all). For the "sunny" part you'd have to check the amount of clouds (the entry also exposes an array of CloudCover objects) to make sure none of them were what we'd consider overcast. For "rainy" you'd be considering the phenomena.

Also, I looked into forecast data. I'm going to go pay a visit to the atmospheric sciences folks at UCLA to get the final word on this, but as far as I can tell we're not ever going to be able to get free temperature forecast data for the entire world for free (though it is available for the United States, I think). -- IlyaHaykinson 08:04, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, that's quite a time-saver!

 * Looking around on the site at the link you provided, this text file seems to have all the stations in one big list, however some of the stations are missing their four-letter codes and have dashes instead of a code.

 * However, I checked a number of the stations we are currently using and they were all there, so perhaps some locations simply don't have four-letter codes?

 * — DV 08:55, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think these are other stations that don't have airport codes (because they aren't at airports). I don't think we can get METAR data for them anyway. There's also this file which is just the locations with ICAO codes, which I think now may be easier to use for our purposes. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:59, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Good detective work finding the Almaty bug.

 * I will update and try it out now.

 * By the way, is there online documentation to explain the contents of the station profile entries, for either of the station lists at the links you pointed out previously? I was able to make out the name, code, long/lat coordinates, and the altitude, but there were some other numbers in many of the entries that are mysterious. — DV 09:45, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The original page I pointed at had documentation on the format (well, at least on the fields.. the parser actually had to be forgiving because not every line adheres to the format). The new version of WeatherChecker supporting only NOAA (and completely support it this time) has now been released. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:56, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, it looks like the additional identifying fields aren't too useful. Thanks. — DV 23:57, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WeatherChecker version 1.8
I just tried out version 1.8.

When I chose Update from the File menu, WeatherChecker crashed, looking for a file named "stationlist.txt" on my disk, at a path much higher up in the directory tree in my dev "R" disk.

Then I couldn't launch WeatherChecker at all, it just threw an exception each time.

I deleted the "stationlist.txt" from the debug directory, and ran successfully the second time.

I may have narrowed down the cause of the problem - if the user clicks Load Countries before choosing Update from the File menu, WeatherChecker gets confused.

However, now WeatherChecker keeps trying to refer to a path in my "C:\Documents and Settings" directory and will not run a third time. (Strangely, WeatherChecker referred to a path on my "R" disk the first time.)

I will try running the installer, but there must be a way to run WeatherChecker from within the development debug directory?

Unless I'm confused about your intended design, to avoid the above described bug, perhaps we could simply change the Load Countries button to instead perform as an "Update Countries" button, and not have the separate File menu? If the station list file was already present on disk, the countries could load automatically each subsequent time WeatherChecker is run, and then the user could click "Update Countries" only if they suspected they were out of date.

One other possible issue - the one time I was able to run without the exception, I noticed the numeric long/lat coordinates were at "0, 0" for a number of the stations. I browsed through the stationlist.txt, and didn't see this issue in the source data. Perhaps some of the station entries are malformed?

In any case, you've made great progress, and I am eager to try out the Phenomena once the station loading issue is ironed out. Please let me know if I can relay any more info to help sort out what is going wrong with the station loading.

Regards,

— DV 23:57, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I just found another copy of "stationlist.txt" under "My Computer" and an alias to it in "Recent Documents". Apparently, if one opens the "stationlist.txt" in note pad, an alias gets created in "Recent Documents". If the user then chooses Update a second time in WeatherChecker, the path to the alias on the "C" drive is apparently injected into some global search path that is used to find the "stationlist" file, and then WeatherChecker gets confused.

 * At least that is what appears to be going on.

 * Anyways, I was able to confirm that the stations which have "0, 0" for their long/lat coordinates in WeatherChecker do not appear that way in the "stationlist.txt" file, so perhaps the station profile entries are not consistently formatted enough to make reliable parsing possible?

 * Regards,

 * — DV 00:07, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I found the source of the problem. As you correctly pointed out the Update/Load functionality was confusing, though I chose to remove the Load Countries button (there are too many buttons in that window as-is now). There was also an installer problem that was writing some parts of the app into the actual start menu: better testing after releasing would have fixed this problem. Version 1.8.1 should work without these file-not-found problems.
 * Thanks for finding the problem with the coordinates. I'll look at it at some later point (or perhaps you can take a look at it — it's likely a problem in the regular expression in the StationList parser. -- IlyaHaykinson 05:46, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I enjoy a good regular expression puzzle, but I'm receiving the following message from tiredbrain:

 * "cvs [update aborted]: connect to tiredbrain.com:2401 failed: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond. Error, CVS operation failed"

 * I tried waiting a few minutes to no avail. The web site appears to be up, so is the CVS repository on another server? Regards, — DV 07:04, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Never mind. It's working OK now. — DV 07:21, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just tried it from two computers (though on the same network) and it worked without a problem. The machine that hosts both cvs and the web site is at a professional data center in Fremont, California, so it shouldn't actually be unreachable ever. The machine's uptime is 129 days. However, I think there's been a change in my secondary DNS server. I'm trying to fix that, but meanwhile you could either add

216.218.240.151 tiredbrain.com www.tiredbrain.com
 * to your c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file, or try again every so often hoping to end up on the primary DNS server which does have the right configuration. -- IlyaHaykinson 07:26, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Your server wasn't at fault. My internet connection was not configured correctly that one time. I've never had a problem before or since, so no problemo.

WeatherChecker image generation
OK, so I'm thinking it's fairly important that we make progress on automating the web image generation, as another step towards a fully-automated report. (The long-term goal being that the weather report will be posted automatically even if everyone is on vacation.)

One idea I'm trying out is a world globe projection of the weather map.

There would be spinner arrows on the left and right side, that would allow the reader to spin the globe left or right, so they could see temperatures anywhere in the world, while still seeing their region of interest within a global context.

One big benefit of this type of presentation is that it would solve the real estate issues we have with cities (especially in Europe and the U.S.) being spaced too closely together.

In this example, the city labels are a bit too big, and I need to restore the polar regions (they're currently chopped off in the version of the topo map that we use for our reports).

Anyways, the main technical impediment is to figure out the projection of longitude and latitude coordinates onto the surface texture, which shouldn't be too hard.

Then, WeatherChecker would need to have some compositing routines thrown in to allow it to build up the layers of the map.

This would also allow WeatherChecker users to select arbitrary cities.

But first I'm going to see if I can help chip in on why the long/lat coordinates are at zero for so many of the cities in the station list. The regular expression is a bit cryptic, but I've got my trusty regular expression documentation close at hand, so we'll see who can fix it first!

Cheers,

— DV 09:38, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow, this looks really neat! The only problem I potentially see with this is the initial view: we probably wouldn't want to have the United States shown by default. Also, were you thinking of the spinning etc being in Flash or just a number of separate images? However this looks really awesome and I think it'd be a great way to present the current report and future forecasts if we ever figure those out. -- IlyaHaykinson 16:21, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I was thinking of a series of images. We can't use Flash because it isn't open source, right?

 * As for the default view, perhaps we could start with a new angle, offset by 90 degrees each day?

 * By the way, the parsing appears to be working correctly. There are two pairs of long/lat coordinates for each station in the list, and many of the stationlist entries are missing the second pair, which is causing the 0/0 readout. According to the docs, the second pair appears to be the "air" coordinates, and the first pair is the "ground" coordinates, so I suggest we switch to using the ground coordinates.

 * If you agree with this change, please let me know, I would like to change both the generated string when the user clicks on an entry, as well as show the long/lat in separate numeric fields at the bottom of the window, where a new user control will eventually hold a dynamically generated graphic.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 23:40, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I like the idea of the series of images offset by 90°, it's compact and very cool looking. We could in theory use Flash: I don't think there's any rule against using non-open-source tools to display data, but there is more of a problem in that not everyone has Flash installed. So perhaps images are a safer way to go.
 * As for parsing, you are right: it was picking up the air coordinates. That was definitely a bug, as my intention all along was to use the ground coordinates: I fixed the regular expression and some code and released an updated version of the app.
 * Feel free to change the parsing or the app in any way that works best for you by the way. For the control displaying the dynamic image do you mean that we should move to doing the image manipulation internally, or still via Illustrator? -- IlyaHaykinson 06:40, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the update! Those coordinates will prove useful.

 * I was reading in a book with a yellow and black cover (forgot the title) that C# forms can have a user control which displays a graphic generated by the application. On this basis, I was thinking we could have WeatherChecker generate the composited graphic itself, without using Illustrator. Of course, I first need to determine the U, V projection using the long/lat coordinates, but that's what my goal is.

 * I understand that posting to wikis can be automated as well. Does this mean that WeatherChecker could eventually post the generated image onto the Commons and update the template links as well?

 * For now, I'm making pretty good progress on the projection calculations, I just need to learn more about adding user controls to forms under C# to be able to try it out.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 11:31, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Category:Continents query
Would you mind if I changed Category:Continents to be Category:Regions? We may get flack on calling the Middle East and Oceania continents. -- Davodd | Talk 20:32, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually this is a great idea. I think I've even advocated for this before. Besides, there isn't really agreement as to what is a continent (see Continent). So please do go ahead and change it to Regions! -- IlyaHaykinson 20:39, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sysop status granted
Congratulations, you should now be a sysop, which gives you the ability to delete and protect pages, ban users, and quickly rollback vandalism, all in accordance with policy. Let me know if you have any questions, or if there are any problems.--Eloquence 03:31, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you (and thank you to other Wikinewsies for your trust) -- IlyaHaykinson 04:31, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * You've earned that trust. Regards, — DV 07:10, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Squeakfox's comments
How come the deletion notice on Squeakfox 21:47, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Dear Ilya. There was never any suggestion that Security PostNews could not use the Honduran article. What they were not allowed to do was claim it as there own--Squeakfox 20:30, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that according to the concept of public domain, they actually can do that. Attribution to the creator is not a requirement of material that is in the public domain. I think that we should transition to a different license, but that's a different story. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:49, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Policies and guidelines/Deletion guideline
Thought you might want to take a look-see? - Amgine 04:54, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Remove sortedstories?
As an admin, could you remove template:sortedstories from the Main Page (I think it's listed under a slightly different name there). I feel we really need to cut the main page size; it must be quite a burden for modem users. Moreover, ss is largely dead - no-one is actively updating it and most of the stories on it are positively ancient. I think it should be removed for now, at least until we become busier and a better system is developed. Dan100 (Talk) 11:37, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that sortedstories is dead and needs to be removed. However, there's been a somewhat-active effort to create a new homepage layout at Main Page/WideSandbox3 that should probably get voted upon first, so that we can fix the homepage for good instead of having simply a temporary fix. -- IlyaHaykinson 20:19, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'd just be bold and remove sortedstories for now. The discussions on a new layout seem to have stalled somewhat. To be honest, I feel there is very little wrong with the current Main page - the latest news is clearly listed, as is the editor tasks. Weather directly below the pair. Dan100 (Talk) 19:11, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Largest jet...
I know you're the guy who marked it for speedy so perhaps you feel you shouldn't delete it yourself, but if I were an admin I'd do it! I think you should just go for it while we have so few admins around. BTW I just marked for speedy a dupe of that page. Dan100 (Talk) 19:05, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I deleted the dupe already. I was contemplating deleting the Largest passenger jet showcased (as well as America a democracy or a demoncracy ?) but want to give it time until perhaps another admin reviews it. If there's no other admin that deletes it by 5pm pacific time, I'll take care of it and note the action on Administrators. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:17, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

English Help
Please take a look at: Brazilian President brother passed away. I need some help with English language. The article is short and it can be fast checked. It can be published as soon gets correctly written. Thank you very much. -- Carlosar 11:29, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Help in article
Would you please revise and criticize the article Brazilian President meets President of Colombia? Thank you very much. -- Carlosar 10:17, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikinewsbot and WeatherChecker
I'm looking forward to seeing the first task automated by Wikinewsbot.

For updating the weather, the GeneratePageList would just have a reference to the WeatherMapLinks template, right? It would be nice if it could also update the German site - would I have two "bot wiki=" sections, or would it have to be in a separate file and executed as a separate task?

I'm modifying WeatherChecker to generate U, V coordinates using the Equidistant Cylindrical Projection. Wikipedia provided the math in an article that has a reference to the same satellite image we have been using for the weather report:

"The following equations describe the mapping of geographic coordinates in terms of latitude φ and longitude λ onto the x and y coordinates of a point on the map. from its latitude φ and longitude λ (with φ0 and λ0 being the latitude and longitude in the center of map) and k being an approriate scale factor at the equator:"

\begin{matrix} x &=& k \left( \lambda - \lambda_0 \right) \\y &=& k \left( \phi - \phi_0 \right) \end{matrix} $$

I'm still figuring out how to set up a user control on which I can use drawing primitives.

In C++ with HWNDs, I would grab a ref to the window's DC so I can use Win32 GDI calls, but it's not clear how to do that in WeatherChecker.

Are there other raster and text drawing primitives that are used with user controls in C# forms?

Two graphics primitives are required - one to draw a string of text in a given font, size, and style, and another to act as a blitter that can composite PNGs loaded from disk at a given location. With these capabilities, we could have WeatherChecker generate the web images entirely on its own, which could then be posted by the new Wikinewsbot.

So far, I found this example on the code project site, it has some of what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure if it can use PNGs with alpha.

I also found this alpha blending example on the same site. Alpha blending is required so we can get clean edges on the temperature dots. However this example is showing separate windows, and I'm not sure that is what we want to generate a final composited image suitable for output as a JPEG.

If you know of any other links I could check out (or if you think the book you mentioned previously would help) please let me know.

Regards,

— DV 03:04, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Following up, I also found this series of tutorials on transparency in C#:

 * Tutorial 1
 * Tutorial 2
 * Tutorial 3

 * However the author makes the statement, "...a word of caution: I’m no C# guru", so I'm not sure if he is way off base for the best way to composite elements together for an image to be output in C#.

 * Some of the other examples I've found so far create alpha-blended elements in separate windows, which is not what I want in order to output a single composite image. These latter examples seem to work on a single surface, so I plan to work from these examples unless you advise otherwise.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 03:34, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just got back from the book store, where I picked up "Beginning ASP.NET 1.1 in C#". This book has a section on dynamic graphics with an example of loading an image, compositing something on top of it, and then saving the image back out.

 * I'm adding a user control with the satellite image as an underlay to WeatherChecker right now, which will plot the long/lat coords of the selected cities onto the map, and a Save button which will save the image as a JPEG.

 * I'm hoping that once you get Wikinewsbot working, we can also add a "Post" button which will post the result to Wikinews.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 07:20, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, so I just committed changes for WeatherChecker 1.9 into the CVS repository, that add a map with one dynamically generated rectangle (just as an example) on top of the satellite image underlay, as well as buttons for each stage of generating the weather report, along with a fifth "Batch All" button that is supposed to do all four steps in one batch process.

 * If you think there are too many buttons, I added four new menu items for the four individual stages of preparing the report to the File menu, so feel free to remove those four buttons if you don't like them.

 * Each of the four new buttons has an ellipsis after its name to indicate that a dialog will appear - this is where the user is supposed to enter their name and password in a yet-to-be-added sign-in dialog.

 * One problem is that the image file "Underlay.jpg" is supposed to be in the destination executable directory, but I couldn't get CVS to allow me to check in from within that directory, so I checked the underlay image in under the same directory as the "app.config". Somehow "app.config" is copied into the executable directory when WeatherChecker is built, so if you can make that change for the underlay image as well, I would appreciate it, but please tell me how its done, because I need to check in other images for the temperature dots as well.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 08:59, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just fixed a clipping problem with the map painting method when refreshing underneath a dialog, plus I changed the code to keep the underlay for the map image around for the lifetime of the form, as the image will be dynamically regenerated using this underlay, so there was no point in allocating and disposing of it just on the paint event. — DV 10:17, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * More progress to report - the Export Image button now writes a dynamically generated JPEG out to disk, and the Post button writes an image with what will be a generated name to disk, with a TODO note where the code to post it to Commons should be added. — DV 13:48, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * One last update before I go to sleep - I added a sample, dynamically generated temperature dot that is generated in celsius and fahrenheit versions. When you click the Post button, a C and F version of the image file is generated and both versions are then written to disk with a name suitable for posting.

 * Up next... using the long/lat values to plot temp dots for the selected cities!

 * If you get a chance, please take a look at figuring out how to modify the build to copy the "Underlay.jpg" and "TempDot_Mild.png" files from the "WeatherChecker" directory (where the "app.config" file is located) to the executable directory. I am really curious how that is done.

 * Thanks. — DV 14:54, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

DynamicPageList extension
Yes, I checked it out on your development installation this morning. However, there seems to be a bug: the ordering by timestamp is actually in reverse timestamp order at the moment. At least, that's how it appears to me. There are a couple of solutions that spring to mind, but I think the best option is to solve it in the SQL. Can you post the code someplace? - Amgine 16:47, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

An odd weather-related item
Which I thought you might be interested in knowing of. http://cvs.berlios.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/disinfobot/disinfobot/org/wikimedia/infobot/handlers/WeatherHandler.java#rev1.1 It appears to be at least nominally related to wikimedia... - Amgine 01:51, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * You're right, it's part of Kate's Tools, I think. It queries the U.S.-only web service. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:03, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

#Wikinews is hopping!
There's a lot of activity this morning, as the new lang.wikinews people start to explore. Many questions/admiration for the weather graphic. I don't know enough about it to explain? - Amgine 17:58, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A milestone for WeatherChecker
This announcement wouldn't have been possible without your help.

Now anyone can make their own weather maps using WeatherChecker!

Next up - regional maps for Europe, Australia, the Americas, etc. This will address the problem where readers request cities that are too close or overlap other cities on the World map. The regional maps will be zoomed in views of the World map that allow a larger selection of cities within each region.

Regional maps should be quick to implement, after which I'll finally start using the "Phenomena" reporting.

Regards,

— DV 18:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way, in case you tried WeatherChecker 1.9 and the map looked funny, it's because the ".wcheck" file was revised since the version I e-mailed to you (the version posted here on Wikinews at Wikinews:WeatherChecker/wcheck is up to date). For your convenience, I e-mailed the latest version to you along with a few other notes of interest.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 06:46, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Replied over email. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:59, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Other langs
could you add the other lang pic to the top of the wikinews main page, in the same way as it is on most other wikis. Thanks The bellman 00:09, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Central America
I notice you created this article. I think this should become Central America and Carribean, because the Caribbean doesn't have aplace, and Central America is tiny. Any ideas? Squeakfox 00:38, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * You're right. At the same time, the title "Central America and Carribean" is a bit long. Maybe the Carribean is large enough to break it out as a top-level region? -- IlyaHaykinson 00:43, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Template:LocationLatestNews - fork
I was having trouble editing through the levels of templates at South America (which is now redirecting to Category:South America) and decided to create something based on your template, Template:RegionalNews, which I think is a little more user-friendly. You can see a mock-up at South America/Temp. - Amgine 20:08, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Recent WeatherChecker changes
Hi Ilya,

Thanks for taking a break from your other projects to help out with the new user control for the map in WeatherChecker.

Now that the double-buffering is working, the flicker-free updating is helping me to sleep better! :)

I sent an e-mail to you at your gmail account, describing some problems with the new user control in the form designer. Luckily, these problems do not happen in the executable, so it's only an issue when trying to use the form designer.

Regards,

— DV 07:54, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Google date
I'd put in on the 17th cos while it had been removed from the 16th, when I went to put it back on Latest news it had become the 17th UTC. Hardly matters though. Dan100 (Talk) 01:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Ilya. I see you've recieved the Wikinews Trophy for being so welcoming - you certainly deserve it. CGorman 23:31, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've been looking at your edits and I'm sure you'll make a great administrator. Thanks for being a great Wikinewsie! -- IlyaHaykinson 23:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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User:IlyaHaykinson/On Bots and Checkers

This page includes some of my thoughts on the future of bots and checkers.

Some background
In the last few months, User:David Vasquez and I have been collaborating on WeatherChecker. I mostly wrote some of the framework code, and David has really taken charge of making the application do all of the graphics work.

One item that remained in front of us was the automation of posting of the WeatherChecker output image and text files to Wikinews. For the longest time, this was being done by David, manually.

At some point I developed the initial implementation of Wikinewsbot, a .NET (and Mono) scriptable framework for automatic image upload, page retrieval, modification and posting. This framework was immediately incorporated by David into the WeatherChecker, thus no longer requiring him to manually post images etc, and allowing more regular updates of the weather.

In order to test the bot framework, I've also developed the Market Data Bot. With some input from David and other users, I've made the bot automatically pull stock market information from Yahoo Finance, chart this information and upload regular updates to a test wiki on my server.

Issues at hand
David brought up a number of good points regarding the use of bots versus server-side controls or "special pages", the naming of applications (__Checker vs ___Bot), proposals for new bots, and the specific functionality of bots. Here are my views on how things could be structured.

Server-side controls
We are not big enough to let developers incorporate our code easily. Until we are big, or one of us can be a core Mediawiki developer, we will not get functionality built into our Mediawiki software that will let us do what we want to do. The best we can hope for is that some processes will be run on the Linux servers that run Wikinews.

Therefore, to a large degree we must depend on bots. A side-effect is that information provided will not be interactive, will always be more out of date than it would have been with server-side code. Another side-effect is that we run the risk of filling Wikimedia Commons with too many images, and cluttering up Recent Changes with bots' edits.

This leads us to the Principle of Limited Information: the data we should provide via bot solutions should be minimal and of the greatest appeal.

Applications and naming
In the bot world, at the end of the day information must be uploaded on a regular basis to be useful. At the same time, the process is driven by humans, and as such should be somewhat user-friendly.

I propose that we have two levels of applications.
 * 1) configurators, which let humans come up with definitions for content that should be retrieved, as well as configure places for this content's upload, and
 * 2) bots, which take config files produced by the configurators and act on them, constantly retrieving data and uploading it to Wikinews

Perhaps the configurators can be "Checkers" by name.

Technologies
The bots should run as unattended Windows services. Indeed, unless there's reason to do otherwise, they should be runnable in some form on Linux using the Mono framework, in order to let Windows-less people run the bots. This is a goal, not a requirement. However, this means that the architecture for the bots should allow completely unattended, UI-less operation.

The configurators should, for now, be Windows applications. Their output should be enough information for the bots to be able to run unattended.

The bots should, for now, have custom code that reads in configuration files and acts on them. In the future we might develop a generic bot engine that can run bots that are wholly based in configuration files (some portions of which would be generated by the configurators)

Specific bot: WeatherChecker
For now the WeatherChecker should remain as-is. It's a great application. Eventually, it would be nice to split up the automatic weather checking and updating Wikinews from the process of creating regions and selecting stations.

Specific bot: MarketDataBot
Currently, the market bot downloads the latest and historical information about the top world indexes, plotting daily historical information on charts and posting those charts every 6 hours to the Commons, and then updating Wikinews with the most recent current-value data (note: this process is in testing on my local wiki).

David expressed an interest in having the market data collection be a lot more extensive. He suggested having the bot update the homepage and/or sub-pages with status on a few indexes (Dow Jones, NASDAQ, etc) and a few specific stocks that are index components.

Instead, I suggest continuing with what the bot currently does. Selecting just the US indexes is too US-centric. Showing component securities is a bit redundant (given that the index value reflects the aggregate movement of the components). Indeed, showing individual stocks means picking some set over others.

I thus mainly object to David's suggestions out of adherence to the Principle of Limited Information — we don't have a lot of room to post every stock while we have the technical limitation of running as a bot. I would love to have all the data we can possibly have, but if picking just a reasonable subset, I'd rather post the major international indexes and leave the rest to some commercial site, for now. When we get our server-side controls, we could do more.

Other bots
David suggests a few other ideas: sports, entertainment. I think these are great ideas — and ones that could perhaps be developed with the dual configurator/bot framework. I would imagine the first thing to do there would be to get a reliable source of data identified.

Running bots
I am ready to unleash the (current version of) MarketDataBot on Wikinews. This bot makes lots of edits, though, so I would like it to get marked as a bot so as to not clutter the Recent Changes.

Feedback
This is written here in User space to reflect personal views on the matter, but I would like to encourage others (David, especially) to chime in on the talk page as a step to forming consensus and a Wikinews-wide bot policy that we can propose.

(originally written: 09:43, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC))

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Dutch member of Parliament proposes to abolish the Cabinet

March 14, 2005

The Dutch member of parliament Geert Wilders has finished his statement of principles, which sets out his political plans for the future. The 20-page statement is referred to as 'Onafhankelijkheidsverklaring' (Declaration of Independence) by Wilders. It is a continuation of a ten-point plan written by Wilders and former colleague, Gert-Jan Oplaat, and proposed to Wilders' former party, the VVD.

The ten-point plan caused disagreement between Wilders and the VVD, including a difference of opinion on whether to allow Turkey to enter the EU. Wilders left the VVD on September 3rd last year. He started a political party of his own, known as Groep Wilders (Group Wilders). Though he did not have enough votes during the last election, he refused to relinquish his seat in parliament to the VVD.

In his statement, Wilders proposed among others to abolish certain ministries. Wilders also proposed outlawing the further creation of Islamic schools and closing mosques that proclaim extremist views. Furthermore, he proposed that the number of provinces be reduced from 12 to 4, the five islands of the Antilles be expelled from the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the number of civil servants be cut by 50%.

Because of his marked views, public opinion of Wilders and his statement is strongly divided. As a result of his criticism of Islamic extremism, Wilders (along with Ayaan Hirsi Ali) received several death threats, which are taken very seriously after the murder on Theo van Gogh by an Islamic extremist last year and the assassination of political icon Pim Fortuyn in 2002. He is being held in a secure location, where he organises dinners for €2000 to raise money for his campaign.


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User talk:81.192.184.159

Welcome
81.192.184.159, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 19:23, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Israeli General Refused NZ Visa

March 15, 2005 Israel's Deputy Chief of Staff Major-General Gabi Ashkenazi has been refused entry to New Zealand, where he was due to attend a meeting of the United Israel Appeal in Auckland last Sunday.

An NZ Foreign Office spokesman confirmed that a visa had been refused, linking the decision to the unresolved diplomatic row over the conviction of two suspected Mossad members, Uri Kelman and Eli Cara, who attempted to fraudulently obtain a New Zealand passport - New Zealand is awaiting an official apology.

Jews in New Zealand are particularly upset, as the Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi visited New Zealand in August for talks with the NZ Government. Iran's stated goals include the destruction of Israel.

A spokesman for General Ashkenazi's office in Tel Aviv perferred to say that the general had decided not to visit New Zealand "for personal reasons", rather than admit to the denied visa.

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Talk:Dutch member of Parliament proposes to abolish the Cabinet

Are there any English language sources for this article? --Edbrown05 20:56, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Added english source Jacoplane 22:11, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No way is that hair real Dan100 (Talk) 22:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Can someone explain how a Parliamentary system would work without a Cabinet? --GregStephens 22:51, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think the idea is that Wierd Wilders would become emperor.


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User talk:Flufeemunk~enwikinews

Welcome
Flufeemunk, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Flufeemunk. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Flufeemunk~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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User talk:81.74.30.247

Welcome
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:83.167.225.2

Welcome
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:68.48.231.64

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User talk:203.73.12.66

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User talk:128.227.44.90

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User talk:193.137.27.6

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User talk:84.169.120.214

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User talk:Ascánder

Hello, If you want to contact me you can use either this page or the one I visit more frequently which is my talk page at the Spanish Wikipedia (you can write me in either Spanish, English or French). --Ascánder 13:29, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

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es.Wikinews writing contest
Could you give me a link to the writing contest on es.Wikinews? - Amgine/talk 03:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:129.67.100.122

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User talk:198.54.202.218

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User talk:198.54.202.210

DANCE RAVE SOUTH AFRICA DYING TO YOUR DEATH
SOMETHING NEW,SOMETHING DIFFRENT AND FUN ?

THE 90TIES HAVE ARRIVED AND WITH IT FROM EUROPE.THE UNDERGROUND DANCE RAVE SCEEN.MOVE OVER DISCO DANCING,DANCE TILL YOU CAN'T DANCE KNOW MORE.

THE TALK BEGINS AND THE INVATATIONS ARE EXTENDED.MUSIC, DANCE, GUYS, GIRLS AND MORE. HOWDWEE SAY "AWESOME-COOL-WICKED".

WE ARRIVE VIP'S TO THE DANCE LOOKING GOOD, FEELING GREAT.

NOT SURE HOW IT IS ALL WORKING, BUT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.PEOPLE MOVING AND DANCING, FOR HOURS NONE STOP. HOW ? TAKE ONE OF THESE ? WHAT ? JUST TAKE AND SWALLOW IT WILL DO YOU NO HARM. PHURR BITTER BITTER.

A DIFFRENT FEELING ENERGY AND MORE ENERGY.LOOK OVER THERE SOMEBODY HAS FALLEN TO THE FLOOR, SHAKING AND SHIVERING.

THE ECSTACY TABLET KILLED HER. AT LEAST 2 TO 3 PERSONS PER DANCE RAVE.NOT AN OVERDOSE BUT A DRUG THAT KILLS IN SMALL DOSAGES.

DON'T WORRY KEEP ON DANCING SHE'S JUST NOT STRONG LIKE US.THIRSTY THIRSTY - DRINK DRINK - FEELING BETTER.

HOME TIME CANT SLEEP - SLEEP ALL DAY - MISS OUT ON LIFE.

RAVE 2

SAME ARRIVAL NEED ECSTASY. 1 TABLET NOT GOOD ENOUGH NEED ANOTHER 1.

2 THEN 3 THEN THIS STUFF NOT WORKING GIVE ME ANTHING AND EVERTHING MEET THE DRUG DEALER SELL A COUPLE TO YOUR FRIENDS AND YOU IN WITH A BIG CROWD. YOU KNOW THEM ALL. RAVE 3 RAVE 4 5 6 7 8 9 ....................? MONEY.

EARLY MORNING NEWS MATE AND DRUG DEALER SHOT WHILE CLOSSING AFTER PARTY RAVE CLUB.NO SHOTS HEARD.THE BIG CROWD TALK AWAY FROM POLICE EARS. HIT MAN KILLING WITH SILENCERS USED.POLICE INFORMER. WE DONT NEED THAT STOPPING OUR RAVES.

RAVES GO ON PEOPLE CONTINUE TO DIE ! RAVE ORGANIZER MORE NEWS PARTNER GETS SHOT DEAD.RAVE ORGANIZER PARTNER GOES ON TO BE ONE OF THE WEALTHEST MAN IN THE COUNTRY RETIRES 35YRS OLD FOR LIFE.

NOBODY CONVICTED OF THE MURDERS !

HELLS ANGELS DRUG MANUFACTURING WHAREHOUSES GET BUST / OFF TOMORROW NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE ANYMORE ALL DISAPPEARED. GONE.

MORE KILLINGS MORE DEATH.TIME TO GET OUT.

ALL THIS IN THE NAME OF DANCE NEW RAVES ! AND SAY NO TO THE GOVERNMENT.

RAVES CONTINUE ON A SMALLER SCALE A FADE FAZZ DYING OFF!

COCKTAIL DANCE BARS OR LOUNGES TACKING OVER.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RAVE SAFE, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DEATH AROUND. THANK GOD IM ALIVE.

BETTER THINGS TO DO. CHEERS STAY ALIVE. THE WHITE KNIGHT !

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User talk:82.83.167.245

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User talk:63.76.9.3

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User talk:68.6.100.199

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Padraig Harrington wins first PGA Tour event; The Honda Classic

March 14, 2005

The Irish golfer Padraig Harrington has won his first PGA Tour event, the Honda Classic at Palm Beach, Florida.

At age 33, the Irishman defeated the world's second-ranked Vijay Singh in a playoff on Sunday to claim his first win on the PGA Tour. Harrington had 11 birdies in the final round alone, putting him 9 under par, enough to secure the playoff against the Fijian.

In addition to winning the $990,000 top prize, Harrington became the first Irishman ever to win a PGA Tour event.


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Category:Golf

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User talk:Rossami

I do almost all my editing in Wikipedia. I will respond to you much more quickly if you leave me a message there. Rossami

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What is WikiNews

 * Where would I go to find the current thinking about the ideal Wikinews article? In particular, how does the ideal Wikinews article differ from the ideal Wikipedia article or Wiktionary entry?  Is there an equivalent to "What Wikipedia is not" and  it's cousins?  Thanks.  Rossami 22:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You're looking for Content guide, What Wikinews is, What Wikinews is not, and of course The Newsroom. Uncle G 15:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:70.105.131.86

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User talk:216.78.231.19

Hi, I'd like to write a real article about the Disney story. Could you please [mailto:moeller@scireview.de email me]?--Eloquence 01:20, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Protesters rally in Beirut

March 15, 2005 Dueling between protest groups continued yesterday in Beirut at Martyrs' Square where hundreds of thousands demonstrated in opposition to Syrian forces inside Lebanon. It is estimated the rally consisted of nearly a million people, making it twice the size of the one organized last week by the Shiite group Hezbollah who call for Syrian forces to remain in Lebanon.

Monday's rally also marks the one month anniversery of the assassination of former anti-Syrian Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Crowds wearing colors of red and white to show their unity fell silent as church bells tolled at 12:55 in observance of his death and the hour it occurred.

Protesters also sought to undermine support for Prime Minister Omar Karami, who was reinstated after the opposition movement had succeeded in forcing him out. Karami, and President Emile Lahoud who reinstated him, are both pro-Syrian. The sheer size of the demonstration that shouted chants of "Freedom, sovereignty, independence" puts the momentum of the debate back on the opposition movement's side.

According to the Associated Press, the number of people attending this demonstration makes it one of the biggest anti-government protests in the Arab world. If the police estimate of one million participants is correct, one in four inhabitants of the country attended the rally. The US State Department has dubbed the movement "Cedar Revolution."

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Cookbook is free reference work community's most active project

March 15, 2005 Wikibooks, an Internet project which seeks to create free content textbooks using wiki technology, has published its February 2005 statistics. The Cookbook project leads the statistics, both by number of contributors (94) and by total edits (668). Newcomer of the month is "Wikibooks Pokédex", with 337 edits by mainly one user, followed by "Programming:Ada" (320 edits). Seventy contributors edited on "Wikiversity", followed by sixty-eight users on the "Jokebook". Wikiversity is a project of its own which aims to build a collaborative learning environment online.

Wikibooks was originally meant as a place for textbooks and manuals but has increasingly become a community creating books on all kinds of subjects, with the cookbook being the most prominent example. Intended as a collection of recipes from around the world, it hosts recipes from Hamburger to Sushi, ethnic cuisines from the Caribbean to the Mediterranean, and gives background information on ingredients, nutrition, and many cooking techniques.

Wikis are openly editable websites that are often used to create knowledge bases. Wikibooks is a project operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization based in the United States which runs several free content wikis, including Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia, and Wikinews, a free news source. The statistics for Wikibooks are extracted using an SQL query on the latest Wikibooks database dump.

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Top active statistics on Wikibooks

Originally based on an anonymous Wikinews story submission.


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Talk:Brazilian President party received money from FARC, say documents

It would be far better to translate the excellent Spanish article in the Spanish Wikinews rather than writing a new one. The Spanish article is very detailed and well-written. Zantastik 03:34, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Please do not discourage contributors from writing! We would welcome a translation of the spanish article, as well as other articles on the same topic. We encourage multiple articles on the same topic. - Amgine 03:38, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I finished the article.
 * Looks fabulous, Carlosar! Huge, too... I'll take a pass at copyediting now. - Amgine 04:05, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)