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Talk:Bush Administration changes official position on legitimacy of Qur'an desecration allegations

June 2005
This story is a legitamate news story, the title represents exactly what happened, Using previous Wikinews articles as sources is acceptable, and this story is in the early stages of development. NGerda 16:34, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

this article is garbage
the tone and slant of this 'article' is clearly driven by the author's personal agenda and the content is not even factually correct. see the following link for some interesting related info that has somehow managed not to work its way into wikinews: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/06/03/guantanamo.quran/index.html
 * I agree with you. This kind of behavior harms the Wikinews' reputation and its only benefit is the increasement of  the reputation of other blogs. Is Wikinews suffering of some kind of Indymedia effect?  --Carlosar 22:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what kind of publicity, or lack thereof this article creates, it is a Non Point of View journalistic piece. Please specify what exactly you disagree within the article.  NGerda 23:09, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * The article has improved a little. I think that I will accept it as it is. --Carlosar 04:32, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Only the first paragraph of the article has been touched; we figured out that the title played tricks on everyone's minds. NGerda 04:34, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * From the CNN article (which is very misleading): "A U.S. military investigation into the mishandling of the Muslim holy book at the Guantanamo Bay prison for suspected terrorists has determined that detainees -- not U.S. soldiers -- attempted to flush the Quran down the toilet there.

 * "However, the report did find four confirmed incidents in which U.S. personnel at the base mishandled the Quran, including guards kicking a detainee's Quran; a guard's urine "splashed" a detainee and his holy book after coming through an air vent; and guards got in a water balloon fight that resulted in two detainees' Qurans getting wet."

This article is not garbage
This article is fully and completely factual, and both sides of the story are represented. NGerda 21:04, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Reflects negatively on the project
Haven't visited the site in a couple of months and when I do this article is displayed as the top headline. It reflects very negatively on the entire project that this anti-Bush toned misleading headline (and I'm a pretty liberal anti-Bush Democrat) is what readers see when they visit the main page. Whatever happened to the principle of neutral point of view? The person who submitted this (and the person who put it prominently on the front page) should immediately be reviewed and their further involvement in the project questioned. This is the exact opposite of what Wikinews ideally should be. If I had time (and I really don't right now), I would like to get into specifics on word choice in the article and headline, using only wikinews sources, the fact that the headline is misleading as to the actual content of the article, etc. I'll try the site again in another 6 months and see if it's matured at all I guess.
 * This article is not Point of View, is completely factual, and represents all opposing views of the issue. NGerda 21:26, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no doubt that the choice of words used is inflammatory and represents a distinct political agenda on behalf of the author. Please rewrite the article in a more proffessional tone. This is completely unacceptable on Wikinews. -Wolfrider
 * The whole point of Wikinews is for everyone to be able to spot errors and fix them. If you truly find the article's word choice annoying, try fixing sections and we can work from there.  NGerda 23:29, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * After all, the article is simply snippets of information from various previous Wikinews articles on the issue. NGerda 23:30, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that the story is NPOV, in fact it is one of most balanced stories I have read about the topic.--Cspurrier 23:38, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The word "flip flop" is negative. I'm renaming this article to "Bush Administration changes position on legitimacy of Koran desecration allegations". Please update the Main Page to reflect the new title. Rhobite 23:40, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I used it to denote the irony of the situation. NGerda 23:41, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Pointing out perceived irony isn't Wikinews' job. Rhobite 23:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps the article is not slanted; just our perceptions?
I felt similar to others when I first viewed the article; but when I really read it, I see it is full of quotes like these:

 * White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded saying "the(Amnesty Intl) report's allegations were "ridiculous and unsupported by the facts. The United States is leading the way when it comes to protecting human rights and promoting human dignity"

 * President George W. Bush dismissed the human rights report as "absurd"

 * Brigadier-General Jay Hood; "The inquiry found no credible evidence that a member of the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo Bay ever flushed a Koran down a toilet"

 * US military they stress that "guards were usually "respectful" of the Koran."

Then I remembered an April article titled Immigration and asylum turn voters off UK Tories which created no complaints even though the headline may seem aggressive.

I think most westerners(like myself) have simply been programmed by things like the Dan Rather debacle to immediately view a mildly negative reference to the US government (e.g. "flip flop") as some sort of attack agenda.

The problem most of us are having is that the actual facts; when brought forward un-diluted(as they are in this this article), are so blatant in their own right; the tendancy is to charge the messenger with being biased. Paulrevere2005 23:45, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Paulrevere2005. NGerda 23:45, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

 * The expression "flip flop" has a negative connotation. It may be an accurate description of the Bush administration's reaction, but there is a more neutral way of saying it. Rhobite 23:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps you're right. But I think the original title set a tone for the article. One that was slanted. It reads better now.--Wolfrider 23:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This just goes to show that two words in a title can make a whole article seem not what it is. NGerda 23:50, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Original reporting?
Can the author who put up the "original reporting" tag please explain it? Andrew pmk 02:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I put it there because the article is original, that is, it doesn't appear anywhere else; and the research was compiled by me from Wikinews sources. Therefore, it is original reporting.  NGerda 02:41, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Original reporting on Wikinews refers to contact by Wikinews writers with primary sources or eyewitness accounts from Wikinews writers. It does not refer to the assemblage of secondary sources (though that is still a useful activity). For that reason, I'm removing the original reporting tag. Pingswept 18:21, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I never did think much of the Original Reporting template, even though I've used it myself. Seems to me it detracts from, rather than adds to, a news story. -Edbrown05 18:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's almost pompous, although I don't think anyone really intends that. -Edbrown05 18:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it exists because of the "no original research" rule at Wikipedia. Wikinews allows writers to assert facts without any other sources to corroborate their statements; Wikipedia does not. I think the intended use is to alert readers that they are reading assertions that haven't been corroborated by external source. I don't see it as adding to or detracting from a story-- it's just a flag to let readers know where the facts of the story came from. Pingswept 19:37, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am starting to lose faith in Wikipedia after seeing this article. I stopped looking at CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, and AP after sensing the bias in reporting. Now I refer to the headlines displayed in Wikipedia to see what is taking place. Today, after seeing this article and having had difficulty tracing the source or the author, I am feeling betrayed by Wikipedia to having succumb to the level of other biased media news. This will definately affect the way I view articles in Wikipedia, not to mention my monetary contribution to website. I am very very disappointed.

Sam an American Arab living in Virginia.

 * I assure you, if you really read the entire article, you will realize that there is absolutely no bias. Part of the beauty of Wikinews is that if you spot bias, it takes seconds to fix it.  I invite you to please prove me wrong if I am wrong, and fix the bias you refer to.  NGerda 04:11, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Sam of Virginia,

 * This is Wikinews, not Wikipedia. Feel free to lose faith in Wikinews, but don't condemn Wikipedia for our crimes. Also, remember that we're all volunteers. You can fix the bias as easily as I can, so stop being so disappointed and get to work. Pingswept 18:21, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

biased my ass
this article is not biased at all. it seems like for some, anything short of bowing down to our fearless leaders constitutes "bias."

(P.S. sometimes, i urinate on the new testament...but i swear, every time i do it, its an accident.)--Something 05:36, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with 50% of what he said . NGerda 07:03, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * Has it occured to you that Wikinews contributers are not only Americans? YOUR fearless leaders are not our fearless leaders. Typical. And the original wording of the article did constitute a non-neutral POV but since it has been altered to a more professional tone I withdraw my objections. --Wolfrider 13:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As I said above, only the title and first paragraph have been editorially touched. NGerda 17:52, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Biased national reporting
Why is it that every single news outlet in the United States uses the term "mishandled" instead of "abused"/ It's more than a little suspicious, as if they're all reading off of a prepared text. RickK 172.198.203.47 00:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think Wikinews is taking a hit in readership for the 'handling' of this news piece --> see awareness statistics. I logged on last nite to see this article and others, that upon first impression, left me with the feeling that USA is being bashed.

 * I symphathize with the 'prepared text' notion, but I don't sympathize with persons or news organizations that offend me. -Edbrown05 00:26, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I am seriously glad Slowking Man took the time to write Amnesty International doesn't "know for sure" about Guantanamo abuses -Edbrown05 00:43, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Edit request - disambiguation
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Please disambiguate the white house link to US White House. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * My interpretation of the existing category is that it's the building. The Executive Office of the POTUS, we don't have a category for atm. --Pi zero (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguated to Executive Office. [24Cr][talk] 22:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


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Posting of transcripts is in violation of Freenode policy, with out getting the permission of all involved. See this page (at the end of the page). --Cspurrier 17:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. Do you give your permission? I give mine.

 Is CGorman here?  Why was the article I modified on WN:WS removed?  http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASubmitted_stories&diff=0&oldid=69720  How is that a copyvio? It's quoting parts of the article, that's all.  The last paragraph?  So why didn't you just remove that para?  It did not leave it with just quotes.  There was analysis of the assertions made by the WT.  Actually, thinking about it, it was just reporting with sources on what happened.  Hello?  OIC.  Sorry, I have to go. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.

Editing comments
Second thing, editing people’s signed comments is considered very rude and borderline vandalism. When replying please create a new reply and not edit between mine.
 * It may be considered rude (by you, at least), but unless I change the meaning of what you've written and make clear which parts I've written, it is valid. All it does, when done appropriately, is facilitate clearer, more clearly delineated discussion.

Why was it removed
The problems with this story is,
 * 1) The last paragraph is a copy vio.
 * So remove it. It can then be rewriten (by you?).
 * 1) We can not use large quotes like that unless the text is PD or we have permission.
 * Yes we can. It's called fair use. Please indicate discussion that states what you suggest.
 * 1) what is left after this is POV.
 * If it's POV, then remove the POV. Don't just delete it. That's a well established principle of these wikis. Regardless, as far as I can see, it's not POV.

If you want to try and turn it into a good story you can, however I do not belive it can be done.
 * Are there any other reasons you think this?

 * Cspurrier 17:29, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Mr. Jones 18:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now about the story, copyvios are always taken care of by removing the full story, since you never know what else the author might have copied. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That is fair enough. Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Where is the length of quotes specified?
I understand fair use, but I believe the quotes are too big to qualify. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * We'd have to check that. I'd imagine there is discussion on WP. It would be good to clarify this for WN.

Regardless, Wikinews does not use quotes this big in our stories when a shorter quote would work. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you indicate where this policy has been discussed and decided upon? Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Our style guide I think --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, no mention at WN:SG Mr. Jones 20:30, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Finally I do not believe this story is newsworthy, it was not when the Washington Times published it, and it still is not. --Cspurrier 19:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with you, except that the way that the story was distorted by the WT is newsworthy. The other version is more to do with the events that are occuring, however.
 * Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Using IRC
If you have time an are online now, it will be quicker to talk about this on IRC --Cspurrier 19:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No thank you, I'd like to retain the transcript. Mr. Jones 19:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok. About logging on the IRC channel, Most people my self included do not have a problem with people posting transcripts of the IRC, if it has a purpose and permission is asked before posting it. Since I fail to see the purpose of posting it here I will not grant permission. Since IRC is designed to be an impermanent media and as such many of us will say things we do not plan on having permanently posted some where. --Cspurrier 20:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Why are you worried by there being a public record of what you have said? Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Mostly because my spelling and grammar were not up to the quality I am a happy with, but also because it does not serve a purpose. --Cspurrier 20:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think that's a very good reason. It serves the purpose of making our discussion, and thus the operation of the wiki, transparent and open to scrutiny. It is one of the bases of good democratic (in the broad sense) process. Mr. Jones 20:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * If you want something that can be kept you use talk pages, if you want a quick answer, you use IRC. --Cspurrier 20:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So it seems. A notice indicating this would be good. I'll stick a comment somewhere (to the north, south, east or west somewhat) at some point that a notice should be added. Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gratitude

 * BTW, CS, I do appreciate your input, and I hope you are keen to make something of wikinews. I'm inclined to be a bit abrasive, but I don't mean anything by it. Wikinews is still developing, and if it's to be any good always will be being challenged in the way it works. Those challenges need to be given real consideration, and areas for their discussion are required. For instance, the "policy" of short quotes. Again, do you know where this has been discussed? If not, how are you so sure of it? Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I can not find the policy page I read it on, sorry. --Cspurrier 20:41, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Then, in effect, there is no such policy. Mr. Jones 14:02, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is CGorman around?
Yes im here! Whats up? → CGorman (Talk)  20:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about the removal of the article I modified (http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASubmitted_stories&diff=0&oldid=69720). Mr Spurrier has answered some of my questions. Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Right; I probably should stay out of this, I cannot really comment. → CGorman (Talk)  20:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:168.171.25.30

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Online poker firm set for multibillion pound flotation

June 4, 2005

Partygaming Plc, the worlds largest online poker company, has announced that it intends to float on the London Stock Exchange by the end of this month. Although it has not yet set a price, analysts in The City are speculating that the flotation could value the firm at up to STG£5bn. Such a valuation would make the flotation the largest in four years.

The Gibraltar-based company, which owns the Partypoker brand, intends to sell 23% of the company in the flotation. If the company's initial public offering is successful, the firm will enter the FTSE 100 Index (the top 100 firms on the exchange by value). Its value would be greater than that of both British Airways and Boots.

Partygaming Plc was founded in 1997 by Anurag Dikshit and has since grown at a huge rate - doubling profits in the past year alone to STG£371m. At peak times it attracts 70,000 simultaneous players.


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User talk:81.59.111.187

You shouldn't move the story into Story Preparation; the event actually happened, right? By the way, welcome to Wikinews, and your article looks great! NGerda 19:20, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Newbie to wikinews
Ok -- I'm a newbie to wikinews. I added a bit more text in the story preparation area.

I'll just try to create an account called Rnt20 to match my wikipedia account w:User:Rnt20. 81.59.111.187 who is now becoming Rnt20 19:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Wikinews community! NGerda 19:26, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

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Fire in Alpine road tunnel between Italy and France

June 5, 2005

Italian firefighters say a truck burst into flames inside the 13 km (8 mile) Frejus tunnel under the Alps. Two bodies have been recovered from the tunnel between Italy and France. According to the Italian news agency ANSA, the truck which caught fire was carrying tires, and the fire has spread to three other vehicles: another truck, loaded with paint, a van of the French tunnel company and a car. For much of the night, Italian emergency services were being held back about a mile from the fire by the intense heat, but the fire has now been put out. Several vehicles are thought to be still in the tunnel. Police are trying to contact a group of people who escaped on foot in order to assess whether people were trapped inside.

French officials have stated that all people who made it to safety alcoves (ventilated shelters directly linked to a fresh air shaft) on the French side of the tunnel have been safely rescued. The Italian side of the tunnel is now being searched for bodies by the Italian emergency services.

The tunnel has a 0.54% uphill gradient going from the French to the Italian side. Heat and smoke generally escaped on the Italian side, as the uphill tunnel acted like a chimney that sucked in cold fresh air from the French side.

Val Fréjus is a city on the French side of the border, in the Rhône-Alpes département.

A fire in a similar tunnel under the Alps (the Mont Blanc Tunnel) reached temperatures of 1,000° Celsius and killed 39 people in 1999.

External Media

 * Webcam showing the exterior of the tunnel -- updated hourly


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User talk:Rnt20~enwikinews

Would you like me to create a mirror of your Wikipedia userpage as your userpage? NGerda 19:28, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

That would be great -- thanks!

What is the process for writing a story about an event that has just happened, and then requesting it to be put on WikiNews? (I'll start reading the instructions now!) Rnt20 19:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You can submit it at Submit_a_story or post it directly this guide --Cspurrier 19:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Adding a story
It really depends on how breaking of a news story it is. In general, if you are preparing a story to be written in the future (such as election results), then it would go on Story preparation. Otherwise it would go on Template:Submitted stories. If it's really urgent, or you have already written a large chunk of it, you can add it directly to Template:Developing stories. Make sure that you put the appropriate Stage Tag at the bottom of the article,, , ; and enjoy writing with Wikinews! NGerda 19:39, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image
Do you want me to delete the frejus image? → CGorman (Talk)  20:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you want -- it's on commons, so I think it will still show on the news story. Rnt20 21:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You've done some great research! NGerda 21:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Please help here at wikinews
Please try to spend as much time as possible here writing/editing stories as we need your help with this project. Neutralizer 16:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Fire crews at tunnel.jpg
where did you capture it from? (From a competing news source?). Bawolff ☺☻ 03:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

From an internet stream of the tunnel webcam. Rnt20 06:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Old articles
Hi there. Just a note to remind you that we do not accept edits to articles that have been published for over 24 hours (see WN:ARCHIVE for more details). If you feel you have enough for a full story then please feel free to start a new article about it. Glad to see you back here and hope you stick around! --Mark Talk to me 17:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Rnt20. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Rnt20~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User talk:24.34.73.60

Welcome
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User talk:GrAndrew-rm

Welcome
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User talk:Tuomaskk~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Tuomaskk. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Tuomaskk~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User:Rnt20~enwikinews

Rnt20 is an astronomy researcher who tinkers with pages when he spots inaccuracies, and has added lots of his photographs. About half of the articles on astronomical telescopes listed in Category:Telescopes were created by Rnt20.

Images
Some images I've created:

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User talk:Mg22

Welcome
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 * I welcome all new users everyday - its my job. Don't worry about poor English - I contribute at the French Wikinews - and my French is very bad! Ich hoffe, daß Sie wikinews-en mögen! → CGorman (Talk)  20:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ich bin auf diesem Werkzeug sehr vertrauensvoll - . Es ist sehr gut. However, I did study German in school for 3 years - but I was very bad at it! →  CGorman (Talk)  21:35, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Babel templates
Hi! I noticed you put language templates up for speedy. I don't think we have a problem with copyright. They are just templates used on user pages, and I am not even sure if user pages are by default public domain. In case we ever have a problem with those, we can just ask the original author(s) to release them under public domain. --Dčabrilo 10:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello Dčabrilo! Thank you for giving me your opinion about the subject!

Mg22 11:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

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Big shoes to fill at eBay

June 4, 2005

There are often odd, unusual and controversial items up for sale on eBay - multi-million euro planes, the Pope's old car and a young woman's virginity, to name just a few. But how about the Prime Minister's shoes?

Shoes custom designed for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher have been put up for sale on eBay. The shoes, which have a reserve price of £2,930 (US $3,580), are currently owned by 65 year old Eleanor Graham. Ms. Graham bought them in a Sue Ryder charity shop after seeing a member of Thatcher's staff drop them in the shop. She guessed that they would increase in value over the years, so Ms. Graham purchased them.

The Rayne shoes - which come in gold, silver and black suede - are size five and come with a letter received in 2001 from Ms Thatchers office confirming that she did wear Rayne shoes.

You can see the shoes at eBay by clicking here.

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User talk:IlyaHaykinson/Wikinewsbot

Hello,

I am trying to rebuild your wiki commonplace upload software. Actually, we have spoken by email. Our last email, you asked me if I was using the cvs, since I was having problems with the tarball. The cvs checkout worked great and everything compiles well. However, in order to adjust the commonplace to my server, commonplace relies on the wikinewsbot.dll. I kept getting errors, and so I checked out wikinewsbot. Upon investigating it, I noticed the BaseAddress was appending /wiki into the url for login. I am not using that /wiki/ directory, so I removed that. When I rebuilt, unfortunately this new build extension didn't work because Wikinewsbot.Command.Watchpage is not available. I cannot find it in the cvs or tarball?

Is this wikinewsbot new? if so, commonplace still depends on that watchpage.cs file?

Thank you, Graeme Canivet : gjcanive@uwaterloo.ca 129.97.252.144 20:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:129.97.252.144

Welcome
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User talk:81.153.146.254

Welcome
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Israel upset Republic of Ireland again in World Cup Qualifiers

June 5, 2005

Having come back in the final minute of time to draw 1-1 with Israel in Tel Aviv two months ago, Brian Kerr's squad were determined not to let it happen a second time in last nights sell out Lansdowne Road Group 4 World Cup qualifier clash. However despite two early goals for the Republic of Ireland, the Israelis still managed to claw back a draw - much to the dismay of onlooking Irish supporters.

After just five minutes, Ian Harte scored from a 25 yard free kick putting the homeside ahead just like in the first match. However unlike in the first game, the Irish did not slow down the pace and become conservative. At the 11th minute mark, Robbie Keane scored Ireland's second goal of the match; much to the delight - and even moreso relief of the Irish supporters in the crowd of 34,000.

In a seemingly comfortable position, disaster hit the Irish team when Robbie Keane left for the bench with a shoulder injury sustained in the third minute of the game. As the 40th minute approached, Israel's Benayoun and Avi Yehiel combined efforts to put the ball in the back of the Irish net to bring their team back into the game. Things went from bad to worse for the Irish as the first half drew to a close with John O'Shea getting a yellow card in the Irish box - and giving his opposition a penalty. The penalty was scored three time by Nimni, but only on his third attempt did it count - the first two disallowed because the referee had not blown his whistle.

The second half proved to be less fruitious for both teams, with no goals scored. The Irish became increasingly frustrated as the game progressed because of perceived Israeli time-wasting. As the game became more scrappy Andy O'Brien got sent off when he attempted to block the Israeli keeper from punching the ball.

The game finished 2-2, much to the despair of the Irish squad, who now can only draw encouragement from the fact that they remain ahead of France in the group table.


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Wikinews:2005/June/5

June 5, 2005

 * US obstructs Amnesty International investigation into Guantanamo prisoner abuse
 * Coldplay's new album hits stores worldwide this week
 * U.S. wants to impose its "no-fly" list on most Canadian domestic flights
 * The Swiss vote yes to same-sex relationships and "Schengen/Dublin"
 * AP Probe suggests Bolton manipulated Iraq inspections to favor War
 * Blog alliance forms over leaked Downing Street memo
 * Computer Associates warns of massive botnet attack
 * Switzerland is voting on same-sex partnerships and Schengen/Dublin
 * Fire in Alpine road tunnel between Italy and France
 * Government of Zimbabwe forces thousands out of their homes
 * Israel upset Republic of Ireland again in World Cup Qualifiers

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User:Pleonic

Greetings to one and all, and particularly to the readers of Wikinews. I hope to flesh this page out in the future, but for now I'll mention that I'm Pleonic, a financial counselor and writer currently living in Texas after spending 20 years in Southern California. I'm also a new Wikinewsie who started with a few minor edits in May 2005 and then took the plunge with a largely unedited obituary of actor Eddie Albert (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Actor_Eddie_Albert_Dies_at_Age_99).

I am here because the idea of a truly neutral, even-handed, "open source" news site is something I believe passionatly that the world needs. Websites and publications offering high-voltage, polarized, opinion-laden "news" for personal gratification, public demagoguery or corporate profit are a dime a dozen. How about a site where people put their meta-narratives aside and just tell what happened in non-polemic language? I hope what I write (and edit) shows I'm trying to reach that lofty goal. If I'm not, please go to my talk page and let me know.

Pleonic is a word I think I coined myself while casting about for an email address. It comes from the same greek word as does pleonasm -- using too many words, droning on and on. I hope I don't do that here. But the original greek word meant "fullness" or "there's more." That's the meaning I chose it for. That, and I like the sound of it.

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User:Kevin Baas/WikiNews Research Report, May 2005

=WikiNews Research Report, May 2005, Kevin Baas=

Article development process
Comparison Between WikiNews and Wikipedia In Wikipedia, everyone uses their own watchlist quite frequently, and they each work on and mantain a variety of articles dispersed throughout the wiki, usually making minor tweaks after much discussion on the talk pages.

In contrast, on WikiNews, the workspace, along w/live recent changes (or RSS'd recent changes, new pages, latest news) essentialy replaces the watchlist. By way of this shared watchlist, the entire editing force is concentrated on a few articles in development. In contrast to wikipedia, they usually make major edits (such as writting much of the article) with little discussion. When discussion is done, it often takes place on real-time chat (irc) instead of the article's talk page, because of the benefit of speed and a larger feedback community. (access to people not working on the page - often a link to the page is provided and they say something like "look at this, what do you think?").

The de-facto process and organization reflects that: users in wikinfo use a central wokspace and cerntal and quick discussion area on irc. (I'm sure pages statistics will show the concentration phenomena pretty clearly.) Development on WikiNews is by neccesity highly synchronized and concentrated, in contradistinction to Wikipedia's asynchronous and dispersed development process. The workspace, recent changes, and irc mechanisms on WikiNews aid this neccesity.

To summarize and make an analogy, whereas Wikipedia is like a million lawn mowers each mowning a lot of dispersed blades of grass very slowly, WikiNews is like a bunch of construction machinery building a few skyscrapers on a small parcel of land very quickly. Upon completion, they move onto a new parcel. The workflow and collaboration mechanisms reflect this.

 * "They're like locusts: they move from one planet to the next, consuming all the resources..." -Independence Day (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)

Basic site architecture
Main page - Front page of a newspaper. Links:
 * Top menu box (grey):
 * Latest news (this is a template that's already on the main page, anways)
 * Get involved - a short page with brief tutorial and links
 * Submit a story (the template is cross-delegated on the Workspace)
 * Newsroom - the only of article of import that links to this is the main page, i think it was meant to go in the side bar at some point. this is the most organized looking page, similar to wikipedia's community portal. (thou it doesn't like to the water cooler, whereas wikipedia links to the village pump) organized into boxes are:
 * Tasks
 * Polls
 * Bureas (news by region)
 * tip of the day (i've never seen this updated)
 * about wikinews
 * reporter resources
 * Audio - table of audio news w/date, time, type (full or brief), host, transcript, and vorbis sound file
 * Print - a list of daily edition print editions, pdf & sxw
 * RSS feed (RSS XML link)
 * main area:
 * 3 article leads
 * latest news article by date
 * links on side to developing stories
 * links on side to articles by topic. topic pages have a central latest news dpl, region dpls organized w/boxes
 * weather box
 * at bottom of page:
 * a number of links to wikinews: namespace articles, including Introduction_to_Wikinews - another tutorial
 * other projects

Top bar:
 * Water cooler - the main community forum, looks to me to be most analgous to wikipedia's "village pump", contents include:
 * policy
 * technical
 * proposal
 * assistance
 * miscellany
 * Mailing list
 * Site news - one page, basically
 * Real-time chat - IRC web port

Sidebar:
 * Main page - (ofcourse)
 * Workspace - this is most likely the page most accessed by editors - it is where the article workflow resides. sections include:
 * article develop
 * section to edit the main page via templates
 * link to article preparation (is on a different page)
 * submit a story/story submission
 * abandoned articles
 * disputed articles
 * requested translations
 * requested photos
 * Upload free media - wikicommons
 * Recent changes
 * toolbox

There's many more main pages linked to from these, all in the "Wikinews:" namespace. most, if not all of them, are in the "Wikinews" category. All-in-all I find the organization unclear/confusing - to be frank, convoluted.

Primary problem areas

 * Mainly manpower. It does a pretty good with the few loyal editors it has, who are trying to push it. As the statistics in sitenews show, they've been successfull in so far as wikinews is growing.
 * On the part of the current contributors, i think they could benefit from a cleaner main site architecture, and I think that turns off some potential contributors.
 * A large number of news articles become abandoned before completion - this is neccessarily a manpower and workflow problem.
 * On the technical side, I think the workflow is the primary focus area.

The Main Page: Delegation
The main page itself is protected, but it is composed primarily of templates, which are not protected. For the most part, however, these templates cannot be accessed for editing via the main page. Instad, they are edited via the workspace - a delegation only made possible via templates.

This delegation enables a combination of protection and updatability critical to the unique functionality of wikinews. Unlike Wikipedia, the main page must constantly change to reflect the latest news, but like wikipedia, it is a prominent page and therefore must be kept safe from vandalism and editor error. Delegation resolves this paradox.

Workspace
As discussed in the overview, the workflow is central to Wikinews, and is carried out largely through the workspace. The workspace provides a central area for article submission, preparation, development, and publishing.

Proposed workspace I have proposed a new workspace at the watercolor, and made a model of it at Wikinews:Proposed Workspace. The main feature of the proposed workspace is the use of categories and DPL's to automate the workflow. However, current issues with DPL's are problematic to this proposal, namely, caching and sorting, as discussed in feature requests I filled:
 * http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2282
 * http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2283
 * http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2284

Dates
Every news article on WikiNews is in a date category, and almost every page on wikinews is a news article, so almost every page on WikiNews is in a date category. A "date" template is used to automatically put the article in a date category and display the date in the article in a stardard format.

In addition to a category for every date, there is a template for every date, composed of a header showing the date and a manually constructed list of published articles in that date category. These templates are used on the main page to display the news. It has been suggested that the lists be automated via DPL's, but caching and the lack of a sorting feature make them problematic in that situation.

It has been suggested that date categories be better integrated into DPL functionality, via relative date mechanisms and the like, here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2284.

Categories
Categories are standard on all news articles, and there is a standard set of categories for news articles. Each article must have a region category and at least one topic category. (science, politics, sports, etc.)

Templates
June 1, 2005 Templates are extensively used. They are used for multiple purposes: The | feature to pass parameters to a template is used extensively.
 * Standardization - Such as for dates and sourcing. News articles must have a consistent format, and this is usually accomplished through templates.
 * Quick development - Templates are used as shorthand for common display items, such as dates and infoboxes. This helps articles be developed more quickly, which is particularly critical to WikiNews' distinct functionality.
 * Status indication - Whether and why an article is disputed. Whether it is abandoned,  etc. "Tags."
 * Organization - Templates are often used in combination w/categories: the category is put in the template, and thus the addition of a template to a page automatically adds it to a category.
 * Delegation - Such as on the main page.

DPLs
 category=Politics and conflicts category=North America count=20

For information on DPL's see DynamicPageList

DPL's (Dynamic Page Lists) are very usefull on WikiNews. They are used extensively in the news topic sections. (politics, sports, etc.) These pages consist of almost nothing but DPL's.  DPL's are generally used in large concentrations like this, rather than scattered about in small numbers. They are primarily used to aggregate similiar artices in different categories onto a single page, for the benefit of organization and automation.

Their functionality for WikiNews can usefully be extended via
 * by administrator-set cache invalidation triggers, as discussed in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2282 . suggested priority
 * by tying them in with date categories, as requested in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2284, secondary priority
 * adding a sorting feature, as requested in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2283, and -partially implemented
 * by adding display options, as requested in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2283 -partially implemented


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Mars rover Opportunity successfully escapes sand trap

June 6, 2005 The Mars rover Opportunity has successfully escaped from a sand trap. JPL engineers cheered when images returned from Mars showed the rover's wheels were free. Engineers worked for nearly five weeks to carefully maneuver the rover out of the sand dune.

"After a nerve-wracking month of hard work, the rover team is both elated and relieved to finally see our wheels sitting on top of the sand instead of half buried in it," said Jeffrey Biesiadecki, a JPL rover mobility engineer.

Traction was difficult in the ripple-shaped dune of windblown dust and sand that Opportunity drove into on April 26. In the weeks following, the rover churned 192 meters (629 feet) worth of wheel rotations before gaining enough traction to actually move one meter (about three feet). The rover team directed the drives in cautious increments from May 13 through June 4.

"We did careful testing for how to get Opportunity out of the sand. Then we patiently followed the strategy developed from the testing, monitoring every step of the way," Biesiadecki said. "We hope to have Opportunity busy with a full schedule of scientific exploration again shortly."

Opportunity's next task is to examine the site to provide a better understanding of what makes that ripple different from the dozens of similar ones the rover easily crossed. "After we analyze this area, we'll be able to plan safer driving in the terrain ahead," said JPL's Jim Erickson, rover project manager.

Both Spirit and Opportunity have worked in harsh Martian conditions much longer than anticipated. They have been studying geology on opposite sides of Mars for more than a year of extended missions since successfully completing their three-month primary missions in April 2004.

"The first thing we're going to do is simply take a hard look at the stuff we were stuck in," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. He is the principal investigator for the Mars rovers' science instruments. "After that, we will begin a cautious set of moves to get us on our way southward again. South is where we think the best science is, so that's still where we want to go."

Shortly after landing in January 2004, Opportunity found layered bedrock that bore geological evidence for a shallow ancient sea. Spirit did not find extensive layered bedrock until more than a year later, after driving more than two miles and climbing into a range of hills known as "Columbia Hills."


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Switzerland is voting on same-sex partnerships and Schengen/Dublin

June 5, 2005

Switzerland is voting today on their quarterly federal referenda over same-sex partnerships and the Schengen/Dublin treaty. Both proposals were popular initiatives made by the Swiss people.

The first question is whether same-sex partnership should be legalised throughout the country. Already the cantons of Geneva and Zürich allow same-sex partnerships, however this proposal will cover the country including the conservative north-eastern cantons of Graubünden and Appenzell. In fact Appenzell Innerrhoden only allowed women the vote at cantonal level in 1990 by the Federal Tribunal of Switzerland.

Essentially, this proposal will allow gays and lesbians the right to have joint taxes, pensions and inheritance. To qualify, partners must both live together and formally commit themselves six months in advance to running a household and supporting and aiding one another.

The second proposal will make Switzerland be a member of the Schengen treaty and participate in the “open-borders” scheme. Supporters say it would encourage tourism and make visiting much easier, especially after the row over Swiss-German border a few months ago. Together with the Dublin treaty, it would make Switzerland join a bilateral agreement to stop asylum seekers having to seek asylum in Switzerland after claiming asylum in an agreement country such as Germany or France.

Opponents say this proposal will set Switzerland on a slippery slope into the European Union, not give Switzerland the right to its own borders and compromise the country's strict and engrained neutrality.

Out of the big 4 main parties, the centre-left Social Democrats, the liberal-right Free Democrats and the centre-right Christian Democrats have said yes to both proposals. However, the populist-right Swiss People's Party have said no to both proposals

Results will start being available today in the early evening.


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 If you need to get in touch, e-mail me!

New Policy has users up in smoke
Hello. I am not sure if you check this page anymore, but I thought you might be interested as to what is going on here at Wikinews: Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan. I am outraged as well as others...do you have an opinion? DragonFire1024 09:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Tracing the Lond Bombings and Wikinews Timeline
I am working on my PhD dissertation, which is focused on the use of social software during times of disaster. For the London Bombing entry, it's listed that you created the entry at. Of course, the event did not occur until 8:49. So I'm wondering how can that be? Is it due to the the time zone were you in when that was posted? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you! Lkpotts 20:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Liza

Look at me! out of my box!!!
Why have you created this page? I appreciate you are demonstrating something on enwiki but I don't see why this page needs to exist. Adambro 10:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just started
Hi Dan,

I just started getting into WikiNews. I'll tell you the truth...I've always been interested in News and Photography and this is a great outlet to report. My goal is to get a press pass and getting even more breaking news. I've started one article on my own but I don't know if it ever got published and also contributed to another. Do they not automatically go to my username page? How do I keep track of what I've contributed to. I'm sure you need to have contributed to a lot before you should request a press pass so want to know how to that.. Look forward to hearing from you.

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supposed sexism
Hello Dan100,
 * I read your comment in the 'Talk:UK study claims men have higher average I.Q. than women' article dated August 2005 and I felt that, sadly, this is a typical response these days to anyone who puts forth a study, a theory, or in any way makes a statement that either supports men, or, going one step further, has the temerity to say that men are in some way better than women....there is an instant uproar. On the other hand, if a women's group makes an accusation or some offensive/insulting comment against men or a statement that vaunts the supposed advantages/superiority of the female species, then men expected to accept it at face value. Well, I'm tired of a very one-sided society in which men are the whipping post for the disgruntled females in our community, be they feminists or not. As regards the higher IQ of men, that is a truth that most men have known for a long time but they just keep their mouth shut because they have been taught that they mustn't upset 'the little lady'. It's long overdue for men to speak up in their own defense without intimidation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldwatcher (talk • contribs) 08:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

RFDA
Please note i have put you up for de-admining at Administrators. --Mark Talk to me 16:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Editor
Good to see you would like to be active on this project again. In the meanwhile until the admin thing is sorted out I have promoted you to the relatively new Editor class, as you can obviously be trusted. Take a moment to look at Flagged revisions, Reviewing articles, Peer review, and Review (some notable changes). Cheers, Cirt (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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'''Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.'''
 * Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use.

 * The privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.

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User:Dan100

Dan100 returns occasionally If you need to get in touch, e-mail me I hold the account for the RSS feed; direct any comments or questions to me.

Do you know what I like most about this place? The total lack of wikilawyering! It's a breath of fresh air compared to Wikipedia; here, it's all about the articles.

I live in the UK. I am an admin here as well as being one on Wikipedia.

I have a blog - dan100 - so you can keep up with me that way, if you want!

I began editing on Wikinews in January 2005. My first changes were to overhaul story production, which immediately increased the number of stories a day from January 8 2005 onwards. Although the site has evolved considerably since, those changes brought new life to Wikinews.

In February 2005, I created the RSS feed. After just four months the feed had a daily readership of over one thousand, and continues to grow rapidly. Thanks to the efforts of Dcabrilo and Cspurrier, my manual version was replaced by a much superior automatic system that updates in real-time.

On Wikinews, I have written over 130 articles, excluding other articles I've worked on or expanded. To see how many edits I have made, click here.

If you have any questions, need any help on any aspect of the site, or just want to leave a comment, please don't hesistate to add a comment to my Talk page.

My Main Page -

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Computer Associates warns of massive botnet attack

June 5, 2005

Computer Associates are warning of a current three pronged, co-ordinated malware attack on computers that are using Microsoft Windows and are connected to the Internet. The attack involves the use of three different Trojan horses called Glieder, Fantibag and Mitglieder. The goal is to create a botnet consisting of a large number of compromised computers. Access to this group of compromised machines will then be available on a black market, at prices as low as five cents per machine.

 * Win32.Glieder.AK: The first of the three, this Trojan horse attempts to de-activate an extensive list of security/antivirus related processes and services running on the target computer. It also attempts to lower security settings in order to facilitate easier access for subsequent Trojan horses.

 * Fantibag: This second Trojan horse creates filters on the target machine in order to prevent access to a large number of antivirus companies' Web sites. Thus, not only is the target computer now well and truly compromised, but an average Windows user will be completely unable to remove these violations of their system.

 * Mitgleider: Once the first two Trojan horses have largely eliminated any possibility that the target will be able to defend itself, this one finishes the job. It opens port 38884 and configures it to act as a SOCKS 4 proxy, but the compromised system can now also be commanded to do the following:-
 * Changing the backdoor port number
 * Updating the trojan
 * Downloading and execute files
 * Uninstalling the trojan
 * Initiating an SMTP server on TCP port 25, which can be used to relay spam.
 * Executing files on the infected computer
 * Downloading and executing files via an URL

It should be noted that these Trojan horses only affect the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems. No other operating systems (such as Linux and Apple's OS X) are vulnerable. In order to prevent infection, Windows users are advised to ensure that they have the latest operating system patches from Microsoft, that their chosen antivirus software is up to date, and that they are using firewall software where appropriate.


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Welcome
203.164.150.105, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Dan100 (Talk) 08:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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AP Probe suggests Bolton manipulated Iraq inspections to favor War

June 5, 2005

A deputy acting for John Bolton told the Associated Press that Mr. Bolton orchestrated the firing of the head of a global arms-control agency in 2002. Jose Bustani, a Brazilian diplomat for the agency, was trying to send chemical weapons inspectors into Baghdad. The former deputy told the AP that Mr. Bolton did not want that to happen because it might help defuse the crisis over alleged Iraqi weapons and thereby undermine a U.S. rationale for war. A spokeswoman told AP that Bolton has no comment.

This new information comes in the wake of what is purported to be the leaked minutes of a 2002 meeting between top US and UK government officials, in which Matthew Rycroft reported "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."  Neither the UK nor the US government is disputing the accuracy of the memo.

According to multiple reports, during a 2002 meeting between National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and a group of US Senators, President Bush interrupted and changed the subject to Iraq. One of the people present told CNN's Daniel Eisenberg that Bush used a vulgar epithet to refer to Saddam and concluded by saying, "We're taking him out."

Following the 2004 presidential election, Republican members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence refused to carry out plans to review how U.S. policymakers used pre-war Iraq intelligence. The plans to review the intelligence after the election were reached as a compromise with the Democratic members of the committee, prior to elections. According to a co-chair, the president's commission on intelligence is not authorized by its charter to look into the subject. Proponents of an inquiry have been unsuccessful in getting an investigation of the matter.


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The Swiss vote yes to same-sex relationships and "Schengen/Dublin"

June 5, 2005

The Swiss people have voted a double yes in referenda to the proposals over same-sex partnerships and the Schengen/Dublin bilateral agreements. Overall they voted 58.03% for the same-sex partnerships and 54.60% for Schengen/Dublin.

The referendum of allowing the registration of same-sex partnerships was widely welcomed with the people voting 58.03% Yes and 41.97% No. Same-sex partnerships are already legal in the cantons of Geneva and Zürich. The partnerships would carry many of the legal rights of marriage, with the exception of adoption rights and fertility treatments.

The referendum of the Schengen/Dublin bilateral agreement was initially accepted, despite growing resentment with the electorate. It was passed through with the people voting 54.60% Yes and 45.40% No. The agreement relaxes existing border controls between other participating nations in concert with the Schengen treaty, which is one of the competences for inclusion in the European Union.

The bilateral agreement also includes participation in the Dublin treaty, which defines a policy for handling asylum seekers within Schengen participating countries. Also stipulated by the agreements is the use of a unified "European Informatic System" for tracking people who are wanted, missing, or are illegal immigrants and also aims to stop traffic of illegal or stolen property.

Out of the big 4 main parties the centre-left Social Democrats, the liberal-right Free Democrats and the centre-right Christian Democrats have said yes to both proposals, however the populist-right Swiss People's Party have said no to both proposals.

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U.S. wants to impose its "no-fly" list on most Canadian domestic flights

June 5, 2005 The government of Canada is fighting to keep Washington from having access to passenger lists for Canada's domestic flights. The Canadian transport minister Jean Lapierre said two-thirds of Canada's domestic flights at some point cross through American air space. The Minister said he may have to re-route them (around U.S. airspace) rather than breach the privacy rights of domestic Canadian passengers.

In plans which are not yet finalized, Washington recently warned Canada (and other countries) the U.S. intends to require that its no-fly list procedures apply to all foreign airlines which pass through U.S. airspace. After 9/11, a watch list of suspected terrorists was created by the U.S. that bars those on the list from air travel within its borders.

On Wednesday, Lapierre said it's a “very hot issue,” and that he’s working to protect the privacy of Canadians.

“I’m very worried about it. We don’t think it’s a good idea that Canadians travelling from one (Canadian) city to another would have to be checked under the American no-fly list.” Lapierre said. He estimates that nearly two-thirds of the 278,000 yearly flights between Canadian cities cross over the U.S. border. Most major flight zones from urban centers in Canada are in its southern portion, close to the U.S. where even winds might push a plane across the border.

If the matter can not be resolved, Lapierre said, “We would have to take a northern route, which would be much more expensive.” ''Yahoo! News Canada'' reports that Lapierre intends to lobby U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta against the changes.

Last year, the Canadian province of British Columbia put controls on firms that handle an individual's personal data that prevents them from sharing private information on Canadians with U.S. authorities. The issue goes to Canada's sovereignty of its citizens and the U.S. sovereignty of its airspace.

The historically close relations between Canada and the U.S. was evident during the recent Virgin Atlantic incident, where a flight was intercepted by 2 Canadian CF-18 jet fighters. They were scrambled from Quebec to escort the inter-continental flight originating from London to the Halifax International Airport after a hijacking signal, an apparent accident, was sent from the plane. The plane was detained in Halifax on Friday for approximately four hours. Ultimately it was cleared, and landed safely at its original destination in John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City.

Both the ACLU and the Electronic Privacy Information Center are involved in lawsuits against the U.S. government relating to no-fly lists. EPIC has received documents under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act which it says "establish that the TSA administers two lists: a "no-fly" list and a "selectee" list, which requires the passenger to go through additional security measures. The names are provided to air carriers through Security Directives or Emergency Amendments and are stored in their computer systems so that an individual with a name that matches the list can be flagged when getting a boarding pass. A "no-fly" match requires the agent to call a law enforcement officer to detain and question the passenger. In the case of a Selectee, an "S" or special mark is printed on their boarding pass and the person receives additional screening at security."