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Countries really are like children. Fephisto (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Second that. Why people just can't live peacefully? *sigh* Rhethorical question. -- Wesha (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Russians are always occupant... Krwawy

It is obvious how Georgian command has planned this attack to coinside the Olympics. They wish it will be eclipsed by The Games. Media has more cover of the sports, wars are too often and too boring to cover... Especially when involved parties are not albans or kurds, and attacker is not Saddam Hussein or George Bush. Just like the Darfur conflict is put into obscurity.

As for Russian involvement, it was not Russia to shell Tskhinvali. And it is not Georgian cities that the Red Cross evacuates the wounded civilians from. Russia's responce is far lesser than American responce on Serbia's war in Kosovo was. It is Tskhinvali, not Tbilisi, bombed.--Beaumain (talk) 15:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

REUTERS: GEORGIA TAKES GAMBLE WITH MOVE ON REBELS
Copyvio of http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L8117957.htm removed for legal reasons. —Original comment was unsigned and added by Beaumain (talk • contribs) 16:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

help people of South Ossetia
People from all world help people of South Ossetia, the Georgian fascists suited a genocide against the osset. They cut out 1400 person, have destroyed completely 8 villages with the population. Well that send Russian brothers, but the Georgian fascists still cut out us, your help is necessary to us. Tell to the authorities that the Georgian fascists were judged by the international court. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.236.197.182 (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Only if Russia Gets judge for ethic cleaning Chechnya and the other Post Soviet union conflicts. --KDP3 (talk) 03:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

the word war
"war" such a awful word. --Redoak89 (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I think
The worse is yet to come.--KDP3 (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

What are the reasons?
Does anybody have slightest idea of why Saakashvili has decided to start all this nonsense? When he ordered to flatten down the towns populated by Russian citizens he knew very well what the consequences will be. It was mentioned many times that there never was hatred between Ossetians and Georgians, like it exists between Abkhazians and Georgians; but now it's in the past -- after Georgians murdered and injured thousands of Ossetians, now they have every right to consider Georgians as their deadly enemies. The chances that Ossetia will be returned to Georgia were average before 2004, were about zero a month ago, and became negative now. Georgia itself is likely to be occupied soon. Where this passionate desire to drive the situation from bad to worst comes from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.112.228.39 (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It is a lie! You all were purchased! And you were for a sale! Russia against war! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.149.123.204 (talk) 20:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me like only Russian side is editing all the comments and text here (Or maybe anything else gets deleted?), so I think a little review of things from Georgian side will not be unhelpful. (hope it doesn't get deleted) It might be a bit opinionated, but then, it's in the section of opinions.

1. Why would Geoprgia do this? (some asked this question). Georgian answer is: INDEED WHY? Georgians would never just do this. The only possible explanation is that it was a provocation. To check this hypothesis we look at the events chronology:

(russians say Georgians also concentrated and mobilised their armies, but let's look at the facts: **at least 2000 Georgian (best) troops were in Iraq (an are now hopefully on thir way back as I write this, it's the evening of august 9). WHY?  **if you look at the map of Georgia (the size of it), you'll see that there really is not much need for concentration of troops (you cross the country in about 5 hours by car, or alternatively get to the place of events (north CENTER of the country) i under 3.5 hours from probably every single point of the country. **Mobilisation was called only the next morning (actually almost afternoon) from when the fights began.
 * russian mobilisation of army accompanied by reported clashes almost all the way through the summer.

**If you think you are clever enough (and some definately do) to ask: "why did georgians attack, didn't they know that russia was much more powerful". Then why do you think that the goverment of Georgia is less clever than you, not to think about this issue? **Again there is a possible couterargument to this, that Georgian side relied on convincing the world in our innosence. BUT, as I'm seeing at the moment all the press is getting information from exclusively russian side. ruissia is clearly winning the information war, so what did georgian side rely on? didn't they know this? and after all Georgia only requests a foreign NEUTRAL PEACEKEEPING army to step into the conflict, not an georgian aid from other countries. isn't this sufficient evidence?
 * Heavy clashes reported days prior to august 8, with both parties blaming eachother for breaking the ceasefire eachtime. Of course Georgian side could be the agressor, but there some issues to be considered

 * In the evening of 7th august Georgia announced a one side ceasefire in the hope of a response ceasefire. the held their positions for 2 hours, but then a massive offensive from separatist side began. some 10 casualties were reported. Again, russia blamed Georgia for breaking the ceasefire, but previous arguments apply here as well.

 * During the night on 8th August Georgia launched a major counteroffensive, with additional troops supplied from other parts of the country during the night. the cleaned major bombing positions in the region, but the separatists were moving back to new strategic positions. Thus georgia decided to launch an "operation to restore constitutional order in the region". This included regaining control over the area. During the night almost all the area was taken and in the morning p[arts of the capital Tskinvali were captured.

 * Georgia stoped the offensive from 3pm to 6pm on august 8 to allow civilians to move out. while georgian media was quiet for a while (during this period) russians started reporting that 150 of their tanks were on their way, then approaching, then taking over and finally have taken tskhinvali.

 * After 6pm Georgia resumed the operation. Tskinvali was taken with no reported russian troops in it. (except an abandoned peacekeepers base)

 * Since then russia started continuous air bombing of Tskinvali, but also of other georgian towns located near the region. At first bombs fell only nearby the buildings or people, in empty fields. On the same evening ressians started bombing towns distant from the conflict zone and also bombing the actual buildings, including rather than fields. Most airports were bombed (which, OK seems acceptable during the WAR, although they never declared it) but rather crucially other peaceful locations have been bombed. And even when russians were bombing military biuldings, they often missed them to hit civilian buildings. dozens of casualties were reported among civilians.

Although various russian sources have cliamed to have regained control over Tskinvali ** This seems unlikely, as starting from Aug 8; 6 pm, russians first reported taking over Tskinvali, then entering S. Osetia, then Again taking over tskinvali, Then Approaching Tskinvali and Incoherent information of this kind.
 * To this moment (august 9 evening), Georgia is still holding positions gained on august 8, Although some attacks and very heavy air bombing of all positions, Tskinvali and villages around are reported. Georgian posts nearby and not only are also heavily bombed. 55 (as I heard on TV) casualties are reported outside the conflict region (through bombings).

Finally: different people can blame different or both parties for the situation. But it is the Georgians who ask for Internationally controlled peacekeeper army, not the military help for Georgia. And it is Russian who want to "solve" everything by a "very neutral" peacekeeping army, who "just by accident" happens to be Georgias neighbour from North (where S. Osetia is). And "just by misfortune" has failed establish peace in the region, in "as little time as" just 17 years. Even if Georgians are the Aggressors, don't they deserve a chance of fair trial, that is A fair peacekeeper army, rather than peacekeepers being the other side of the conflict?

Sorry, for the unchecked style, spelling and Grammar, but If you haven't noticed I'm a Georgian and My country is engaged in war at the moment (not the best of situations) having bombs falling about 50km from your house, and not being sure if your town is the next target so 50km will decrease to withing 2km. or maybe 0km. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.117.33.72 (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Georgian opinion
It seems to me like only Russian side is editing all the comments and text here (Or maybe anything else gets deleted?), so I think a little review of things from Georgian side will not be unhelpful. (hope it doesn't get deleted) It might be a bit opinionated, but then, it's in the section of opinions.

1. Why would Geoprgia do this? (some asked this question). Georgian answer is: INDEED WHY? Georgians would never just do this. The only possible explanation is that it was a provocation. To check this hypothesis we look at the events chronology:

(russians say Georgians also concentrated and mobilised their armies, but let's look at the facts: at least 2000 Georgian (best) troops were in Iraq (an are now hopefully on thir way back as I write this, it's the evening of august 9). WHY?  if you look at the map of Georgia (the size of it), you'll see that there really is not much need for concentration of troops (you cross the country in about 5 hours by car, or alternatively get to the place of events (north CENTER of the country) i under 3.5 hours from probably every single point of the country. Mobilisation was called only the next morning (actually almost afternoon) from when the fights began.
 * russian mobilisation of army accompanied by reported clashes almost all the way through the summer.

If you think you are clever enough (and some definately do) to ask: "why did georgians attack, didn't they know that russia was much more powerful". Then why do you think that the goverment of Georgia is less clever than you, not to think about this issue? Again there is a possible couterargument to this, that Georgian side relied on convincing the world in our innosence. BUT, as I'm seeing at the moment all the press is getting information from exclusively russian side. ruissia is clearly winning the information war, so what did georgian side rely on? didn't they know this? and after all Georgia only requests a foreign NEUTRAL PEACEKEEPING army to step into the conflict, not an georgian aid from other countries. isn't this sufficient evidence?
 * Heavy clashes reported days prior to august 8, with both parties blaming eachother for breaking the ceasefire eachtime. Of course Georgian side could be the agressor, but there some issues to be considered

 * In the evening of 7th august Georgia announced a one side ceasefire in the hope of a response ceasefire. the held their positions for 2 hours, but then a massive offensive from separatist side began. some 10 casualties were reported. Again, russia blamed Georgia for breaking the ceasefire, but previous arguments apply here as well.

 * During the night on 8th August Georgia launched a major counteroffensive, with additional troops supplied from other parts of the country during the night. the cleaned major bombing positions in the region, but the separatists were moving back to new strategic positions. Thus georgia decided to launch an "operation to restore constitutional order in the region". This included regaining control over the area. During the night almost all the area was taken and in the morning p[arts of the capital Tskinvali were captured.

 * Georgia stoped the offensive from 3pm to 6pm on august 8 to allow civilians to move out. while georgian media was quiet for a while (during this period) russians started reporting that 150 of their tanks were on their way, then approaching, then taking over and finally have taken tskhinvali.

 * After 6pm Georgia resumed the operation. Tskinvali was taken with no reported russian troops in it. (except an abandoned peacekeepers base)

 * Since then russia started continuous air bombing of Tskinvali, but also of other georgian towns located near the region. At first bombs fell only nearby the buildings or people, in empty fields. On the same evening ressians started bombing towns distant from the conflict zone and also bombing the actual buildings, including rather than fields. Most airports were bombed (which, OK seems acceptable during the WAR, although they never declared it) but rather crucially other peaceful locations have been bombed. And even when russians were bombing military biuldings, they often missed them to hit civilian buildings. dozens of casualties were reported among civilians.

Although various russian sources have cliamed to have regained control over Tskinvali ** This seems unlikely, as starting from Aug 8; 6 pm, russians first reported taking over Tskinvali, then entering S. Osetia, then Again taking over tskinvali, Then Approaching Tskinvali and Incoherent information of this kind.
 * To this moment (august 9 evening), Georgia is still holding positions gained on august 8, Although some attacks and very heavy air bombing of all positions, Tskinvali and villages around are reported. Georgian posts nearby and not only are also heavily bombed. 55 (as I heard on TV) casualties are reported outside the conflict region (through bombings).

Finally: different people can blame different or both parties for the situation. But it is the Georgians who ask for Internationally controlled peacekeeper army, not the military help for Georgia. And it is Russian who want to "solve" everything by a "very neutral" peacekeeping army, who "just by accident" happens to be Georgias neighbour from North (where S. Osetia is). And "just by misfortune" has failed establish peace in the region, in "as little time as" just 17 years. Even if Georgians are the Aggressors, don't they deserve a chance of fair trial, that is A fair peacekeeper army, rather than peacekeepers being the other side of the conflict?

Sorry, for the unchecked style, spelling and Grammar, but If you haven't noticed I'm a Georgian and My country is engaged in war at the moment (not the best of situations) having bombs falling about 50km from your house, and not being sure if your town is the next target so 50km will decrease to withing 2km. or maybe 0km. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.117.33.72 (talk) 21:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Сосните хуйца, америкососы. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.149.122.16 (talk) 11:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If Russia was there as a peace keeper then why did it advance past South Ossetia into Georgia?

Likewise why did Russia advance out of Abkhazia into Georgia?

If Russia was truly an unbiased Peace Keeping force, then they would full return to pre-August positions.

Do not forget the Ethnic Cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia where between 10,000 to 30,000 Georgians were killed by the Abkhaz separatists, foreign mercenaries, and, allegedly, by Russian Federation forces. In addition, roughly 230,000 to 250,000 Georgian civilians were expelled from their homes.

Ethnic Georgians have been expelled or killed from both Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Leaders from the breakaway areas have indicated that they will not let the Ethnic Georgians return to their property. There have been numerious reports of looting and distruction of property.

Also please remember that both Abkhazia and South Ossetia are disputed areas. It is understandable that there will be rifts between the factions involved in the dispute. Namely the various Abkhazia factions and various South Ossetia factions and Georgia. This does not include Russia as they are supposed to be a Peace Keeping force to mediate between the various factions.

Russia has clearly shown that they are party to the conflict and are not suitable as a Peace Keeping force. Russia needs to pull back to the pre August boundarys and eventually be replaced by a UN Peace Keeping force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.197.201 (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


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Come on, don't end up like Zimbabwe. Fephisto (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:US government points to dead scientist as 'lone anthrax attacker'

Wow! He must have been as fast as the Superman... Kudos to all the scapegoats in the World, that allow the "Bigfish" to escape clean...

 * I think your giving the FBI way too much credit by talking about a conspiracy, they just aren't that smart. A more reasonable "conspiracy" is merely that anyone actually working on *developing* bio-weapons was excluded early, perhaps via military aid in manufacturing alibis, simply because investigating them would reveal our violations of various treaties.  We may never know the real attacker if he was such an excluded person.  Instead the FBI agents are now using contradictory information and are pinning it on incorrect people by virtue of stupidity.
 * I've only seen two issues which suggest any deeper conspiracy : the failure to find who ever blamed the Egyptian guy, and the FBI's statement that Ivins acted alone. You can still explain these by incompetence, but it's even more incompetent.  Nyarlathotep (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Here there is some discussion of the FBIs version of events. The point is that the FBI says he must have mailed the in Princeton before 5pm one day before they were postmarked, which is impossible (unless he had an accomplice, the post office screwed up, etc.). It seems likely now that either he had an accomplice or else the FBI fingered him simply because he was mental fragile anyway. In any case, they have given no real evidence against him, so we may see his relatives file a lawsuit against the FBI too. Nyarlathotep (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I think that person at emptywheel is completely misreading it. The window is from 5:00 p.m. Monday, September 17,2001 to noon on Tuesday, September 18, 2001. Therefore he could easily have left after the 4-5pm meeting and gotten to Princeton before noon the next day. (Or maybe I am misunderstanding what they say the problem with the timeline is.) Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


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Train hits collapsed bridge in Czech Republic, killing ten

August 8, 2008

An express train struck a collapsed motorway bridge in the Czech Republic, leaving 7 people dead and 64 injured. The EuroCity train, which was en route from Kraków, Poland to Prague, derailed after it collided while traveling at 134km/h (84mph). According to Czech Railways spokesman Radek Joklik, "it probably hit part of a motorway bridge under construction which fell onto the track." It is believed that the bridge, which is near Studénka, may have fallen onto the train, crushing carriages below it.

The train, which was carrying 400 people, saw a derailment of its locomotive and first three passenger carriages.

Rescue operations are underway, with 16 fire brigades and 30 vehicles at the scene, which is 215 miles from Prague and close to the Polish border. Numerous ambulances and several helicopters are transporting the wounded to hospital.

Many of the passengers were traveling to a music festival in Pardubice. The toll of dead and injured could rise further as investigators release information.


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Governments 'concerned' by situation in Ossetia

August 8, 2008

Several governments and the United Nations have expressed concern over the current situation in South Ossetia. Carl Bildt, the Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, has said that "the way in which the situation in South Ossetia has deteriorated is cause for profound concern. It is extremely important that all those involved show restraint and play their part in bringing about a political solution."

Bildt pointed out that "there have been reports of Russian warplanes having dropped bombs inside Georgia, beyond South Ossetia, and these reports have now been confirmed by various parties. This is cause for great concern. If this is the case, it is a violation of Georgia's territorial integrity. A great responsibility rests on Russia and I expect Russia to act constructively and with restraint."

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office also commented on the situation. "We are monitoring developments in Georgia following news that there has been heavy fighting between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists," said the office in a statement. "We urge an immediate ceasefire in the fighting in South Ossetia and for a resumption of direct dialogue between all parties."

The Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-Moon, urged "the parties [involved in the conflict] to refrain from any action that could further escalate the situation and threaten the stability of the region."

The President of Lithuania, Valdas Adamkus, called for European governments to intervene: "It is only through active and common efforts of the entire Europe and through new initiatives that the frozen conflicts could be resolved and inefficient negotiation formats could be changed."


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Four British Airways executives charged with price fixing

August 8, 2008 Four current and former British Airways (BA) employees have been charged with price fixing by the United Kingdom's Office of Fair Trading (OFT). They are the first employees of a major UK company to be prosecuted for this offense.

BA have already been fined a record £270 million for their part in the scheme by authorities in both Britain and the United States. On at least six occasions, BA and Virgin Atlantic agreed to illegally fix fuel surcharge prices. BA have also paid US$136 million to settle a US class action by passengers affected by the crimes. Virgin was not prosecuted as the OFT granted the company immunity in exchange for being the whistle blower. As part of a plea bargain made by the airline and the US Department of Justice (DoJ), some immunity was granted against prosecution of individuals, but ten were not granted this immunity. Three former and one current executive at BA from those ten are the men charged under the Enterprise Act 2002.

The current employee is head of sales Andrew Crawley, while the three others are ex-commercial director Martin George, ex-head of communications Iain Burns and former head of UK sales Alan Burnett. Burns and George both resigned in 2006, while Burnett retired in the same year.

There has only ever been one comparable case, involving industrial oil hose price-fixing, but this never went to trial as the defendants pled guilty. Therefore, this may become the first trial of its kind as well as the first major prosecution.

BA was also fined US$300 million recently by the DoJ for a similar deal with Korean Air.

BA CEO Willie Walsh said earlier this year that "any anti-competitive behaviour is to be condemned at BA or at other companies."


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editprotected Pt needs to be added after each of the sources:). Also in the Sources section, "SIC" needs to be changed to "Sociedade Independente de Comunicação". This source link is also dead, if that matters. I have no idea what "Portugal Diário" is suppose to be. Can't find any wikipedia reference to it, which surprises me. Gopher65talk 17:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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Template talk:Popular articles

''It's based on the number of visits to each page over the last hour. The statistics include all visits, both people and automated computer programs ones. Although these are probably reasonably accurate, they are easy to distort.''

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Filtering of non-existent pages could be done by using: But maybe the best way would be to just use this page for example as blacklist, as deleted redirects e.g. would also be filtered with #ifexist? --Melancholie (talk) 15:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * Could deleted pages be removed from the mix? The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is, that pages got hits (were viewed) before they got moved and deleted, thus figures would be incorrect. But nevertheless, they should get filtered out, as red links are ugly, yes ;-) --- Regards, Melancholie (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be useful to have the hit count for the main page listed. Also some of the issues with colon could be avoided by filtering out the regex /^[a-z]{2,3}:[^_]/ as most interwiki prefixes are 2-3 latin lowercase letters. (However this doesn't include stuff that start with wikipedia: or w:, however very few of thoose are actually in the hit list, as most of the urls are fixed before hand). Bawolff ☺☻ 08:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

-- In case anyone cares, the current filter list changed to be anything that matches the following regex: (^Main_Page)|(^Talk:)|(^User:)|(^User_talk:)|(^Wikinews:)|(^Wikinews_talk:)|(^Category:)|(^Category talk:)|(^File:)|(^File talk:)|(^Special:)|(&)|(.png$)|(^en:)|(^Http:)/ Additionally, any pages that make it through this are checked to see if they're in category published. I just added .png to this list as we now get image stats, and the script only checks the top 45 pages on the list against cat publish, so all the extra high ranking pages was screwing things up. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Issue with total newbs
Does this work for people who are not logged in? Or should it be sighted when updated? --Brian McNeil / talk 19:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * MelancholieBot does sight each edit, so the template is up-2-date for everyone :-) --- Greetings, Melancholie (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Comparisions
Would it be possible to compare hit totals to an average for that time of day for that day of week. So for example, if on monday at 7:00 UTC the average hit total for the number 2 spot was 121 hits. and currently it had 140 hits, the entry might say (140 hits; ↑ 19 hits over avg), perhaps borrowing the arrows from stock templates. This way we could see approximatively if we are sucking or not at a specific moment in time. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a cool idea! Adding up-/down trend shouldn't be a problem, actually. What's better, percents or hits? --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 09:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know actually. Maybe percent as it kind of gives more of the Bigger Picture. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

 * First, note that there is also a chart for the overall traffic, by the way. I am not sure though where to place your suggested figures here. On one hand it would be cool to show passers-by if the no. 1 articles is a popular one or not, on the other hand  just looks like "Article XY" would have improved by 19 hits (another thing in planning). It would only be interesting/obvious for the top articles of a day (see linked chart) anyway, maybe top 15 hits? I may provide something like this :-) --- Kind regards, Melancholie (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't know how it would be best be displayed. One approach is to abstract this all away in the template, and then we could figure out how to display it (on wiki) as we go. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Discrepency between FF and Safari/IE
I noticed that Firefox and Safari do not show the Main Page's version of this template the same. In Firefox, the ">> more" and "Stats updated hourly" text lines up fairly well, though it not exactly. However, in Safari and Internet Explorer, the ">>more" text is much higher than the "stats updated" text. This seems to be difference in how the below code is interpreted by the browser.

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I would therefore assume that it would be better recode this bit so that the text is displayed in the correct place every time and perhaps to include the bit about the stats being updated hourly within the template rather than outside of the template on the main page. Calebrw (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably should use different units (em's instead of px's). In a broader way this could probably be coded like (example in red border):

- » more Stats updated hourly. » more Stats updated hourly.

However reading the code, it looks almost as if the intention was to line it up with the last article on the pop articles list rather than the updated hourly line. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but who ever coded the Template didn't know that the updated hourly line was coming (at least I assume they didn't), but I do think they should line up. Calebrw (talk) 04:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes you both are right, the "updated hourly" line was added later, the intention was to get the "> more" closer to the list for not producing a too enormous extra line. For me, FF and IE both show the same, "> more" being between the last list item and "updated hourly", looking quite acceptable. Konqueror shows it, probably like Safari, even a little bit higher than the last list item. We try em instead of px or can make it go into the same line with "updated hourly" if removing it from the template and placing it into the main page; shall we do so? Note that this template is not only used in the Main_Page but other pages too where it might be nice to have a "> more" too, see transclusions (e.g. see my user page). --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 12:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I will put the "> more" link into Template:Popular_articles/bottom after removing it for the bot. Then we can act in a more flexible fashion, because just stating "float: right" (talking about template, not Main_Page) will help Safari, but the resulting  ... will still make it looking non-aligned. --- Kind regards, Melancholie (talk) 12:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Safari issue fixed by adding a line break, so the wiki software will properly close the list item tag before. For the Main_Page you can add  e.g. to hide the content of Template:Popular_articles/link and use some own now. --- Kind regards, Melancholie (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Spelling mistake?
Can't find which bit to edit-but it says watch changes of that most visited articles-that doesn't seemt the right word? Dottydotdot (talk) 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it, thanks for pointing this out. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  19:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, right. It should have been "those" or just nothing, not singular "that" ;-) --- Sorry for that glitch, Melancholie (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Why on earth?
Why on earth do people (or automated things) love that sexy video clips article so much? It's from years back. --Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * sex sells. Probably linked from somewhere semi-prominant. We still have low enough traffic that something linked in a prominant place from a while back can influence this. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

fixed a bug
There was an issue where it wouldn't list all 15 top articles (in extreme cases it would list 0 articles). This was caused by my script not escaping ampersands properly, and the fact the page & for some unknown reason has a lot of hits... Bawolff bot (talk) 23:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Bot hates articles with á-é-í-ó-ú
I don't know, but the Copiapó article hasn't appeared. The in depth article that was published a month ago didn't appear either. Diego Grez return fire 13:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Bot is shitty... Bawolff ☺☻ 15:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Displaying extra curly brackets in Main Page
This template now only shows top 9 articles, but earlier had 14 articles. When the bot updated it, it didn't removed the 5 pair of closing brackets at the end (it should be 9 but has 14). This causes the display of 5 closing curly brackets in the Main Page. Can we remove it; and if we remove, will it affect the bot's activity? Vanischenu (talk) 09:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Now the bot added 3 more articles, hence only two curly brackets. That means we should not do it manuallyVanischenu (talk) 09:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The bot is hacky. If there is less than 15 published articles being viewed, the output has extra brackets. Traditionally this has only been a problem on projects like fawikinews. Any edits you make to the template will be overwritten by the bot once an hour. Bawolff ☺☻ 15:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bawolff! I hope  will hide it (for most browsers, I think). Would it be technically possible to make the bot add it?Vanischenu (talk) 19:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Date frame
Are the popular articles supposed to only include fresh stuff (i.e. most popular out of the articles for the last week)? I'm not sure counting the visits of archived articles has a lot of merit - people are supposed to be reading news in the first place. Just a thought. Gryllida 22:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hm. For my part, I find it interesting to know what people are reading in the archives.  Our archives are a major asset of the project.  --Pi zero (talk) 23:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Comments:Governments 'concerned' by situation in Ossetia

Come on! Let's go! Let's invade the Evil Russians!!

 * Russia isn't "Evil" any more. Now China is "Evil".  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 18:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Russia isn't being evil. It's helping a nation that has been unfairly attacked.Anonymous101talk 18:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah Russia is "helping" --KDP3 (talk) 01:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's naive to label any nation as "evil" or "good". Conflicts are a lot more complex than that; there's a lot of gray areas involved.--TBC (talk) 22:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

South Ossetian capital is devastated by Georgian artillery. The Red Cross reports hundreds of wounded, thousands of refugees. And all refugees run to North Ossetia. It looks obvious that Saakashvili behaves just like Milosevic did before him. And he receives the same that Milosevic received from NATO in 1999. Except that Russians don't bomb Tbilisi, unlike it was in Belgrad.

So, will georgian president be tried for war crimes? Or will his support of USA invasion of Iraq buy him the cover? It seems so. USA is covering up the Georgia despite it started the war.--Beaumain (talk) 08:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

South Ossetia is not a country, its land is by law Georgian territory. Russia didn't seem so eager to encourage seperatists when it was Chechnya. NorwegianBlue (talk) 13:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

neither countries are evil
evil is a strong word. --Redoak89 (talk) 22:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

ALL countries are evil. Membership and participation are compulsory, "justified" by the bounds of the government-gang's turf, and enforced by hired thugs, who are paid with money stolen from the people they "serve" (whether those people like it or not -- but as long as most of them are kept distracted and afraid, or deluded by nationalism, they won't even think to resist). The most neutral and benevolent nation on earth, by whatever criteria one may choose, is still at best only the least evil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.238.26 (talk) 01:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * but if we ban countries the Olympics would be boring. --SVTCobra 02:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

ALL countries are Evil!
Except those that speak english... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.150.183 (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


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I removed the category because it did not exist. You are more than welcome to create the category and populate it with stories - but having redlinks on articles is not a good thing. -- Sken   my talk 18:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

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Former US Senator John Edwards admits to extramarital affair

August 8, 2008

Former United States Senator John Edwards admitted today to ABC News that he had an extramarital affair with novice filmmaker Rielle Hunter while his wife was in remission with cancer. Edwards has denied being the father of Hunter's child, Frances Quinn, and a former aide to his presidential campaign, Andrew Young, has reportedly claimed paternity. Also, in an interview for tonight's edition of Nightline, the former Senator and presidential hopeful told ABC News' Bob Woodruff that while he has not taken a paternity test, he is not the father of Quinn. Edwards says that their relationship ended too soon based on the birth of the baby on February 27, 2008.

Edwards has said that the affair began during his recent presidential campaign after Hunter was hired for US$114,000 to produce campaign website documentaries. Hunter traveled across the country and world with Edwards, even on a trip to Africa.

Edwards also said that he told his wife, Elizabeth, and others about the affair as early as 2006.

"It is inadequate to say to the people who believed in me that I am sorry, as it is inadequate to say to the people who love me that I am sorry. In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. If you want to beat me up — feel free. You cannot beat me up more than I have already beaten up myself. I have been stripped bare and will now work with everything I have to help my family and others who need my help," Edwards said in a statement released to the press.

The National Enquirer reported of the alleged Edwards-Hunter affair in October 2007. However, at that time his campaign staff, Hunter and Edwards himself denounced the reports. "The story is false, it's completely untrue, it's ridiculous," Edwards said. As recently as two weeks ago, Edwards still denied any affair between himself and Hunter.

Edwards was the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in 2004 and was a contender for this year's Democratic presidential nomination.


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I pub. and fact checked. The Mind's Eye (talk) 21:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


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he still is a good man and looks after his wife who is battling breast cancer. --Redoak89 (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

 * yeah while his wife is getting Chemo he is sleeping with a other women.--KDP3 (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I really don't know why these are such a big deal. Honestly, there is a lot of martial infidelity, politicians are no exception. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 07:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

WHAT??
He didn't stay faithful to the first girl he met in high school? My God... Now what's left is Mr. Edwards coming clean, admitting to the World that he is a human being... Where is this World coming to?

I miss Mr. Richard Cheney... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.150.183 (talk) 08:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * what i find most impressive with this story is that the enquirer actually got a story correct. wow.  -Imind (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


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"Flame" seems to perform a lot. Why can't a similar picture be produced? --SVTCobra 01:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Because they will never perform at Rock2Wgtn again. They have nothing similar planned/booked (music fests) so we can get nothing that correctly shows the kind of performance given or the environment. There is no evidence that anyone currently intends to hire them to put on such a show again, either. The kind of festival, as evidenced by the interview text, is unique in Flame's history and may well not be repeated. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:2008 Olympic Games officially open

Sorry: officially opened? How about "proclaimed open" as in Olympic Charter - Article 56, or mentioning the Olympic flame? http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf (PDF p.104=Orig. p.103). Soccer matches before the ceremony were also official. : by D-H

 * Copied from HTML comment in page by TheFearow (userpage) 04:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

reviewing
Sources don't mention anything about "There were several performances, including a 100+ member troupe of Taiwanese dancers and Chinese pop group A-One. There were also solo performances by Lang Lang, Sarah Brightman, and Liu Huan." -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is suppose to be partly OR as well. I dunno how we verify that though:P. Gopher65talk 05:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Readers may well wonder whether those performances were done as scheduled. We'd better withdraw the part if we can not find good sources (or check it on the video) soon. Currently we have only old-date sources on them. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 07:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At least temporarily we can probably find some sort of video on a new site that verifies it, at least the TV news in my country mentioned some of it. Watching the event live is the current OR source I believe. TheFearow (userpage) 07:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If the article is meant to be partial OR, there should be a statement here about that - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Typo
editprotected One of the sources has a date that says 'Feburary' instead of 'February'. Van der Hoorn (talk) 13:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Train hits collapsed bridge in Czech Republic, killing ten

10 out of 400 is fairly good. Almost lucky I'd say. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 07:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ten? There were 8 victims. See Wikipedia article. --62.245.75.143 12:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not always right. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I remember this one. The official death toll kept changing. It was ten at first, then seven, as you can see by examining the development of this article and the sources on it. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to learn it finalised at eight, or any other number for that matter. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


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Olympic highlights: August 9, 2008

August 9, 2008 August 9, 2008 is the first major day of the 2008 Olympic games, the below article lists some of the highlights.

Men's 10m air pistol
The Chinese Pang Wei took the gold medal in the final of Men's 10 metre air pistol. He achieved a total score of 688.2 in the final, 1.2 below the Olympic record of 690.0 that was set in the 2004 games.

The Silver medal went to the South Korean Jin Jong Oh and the North Korean Kim Jong Su won the bronze medal.

No new records were set in this event.

Women's 10m Air Rifle
By winning four hundred points, the Czech Katerina Emmons equaled the previous world record and set a new Olympic record in the Women's 10m Air Rifle. Four hundred points is the maximum possible score in the event.

The Russian Lioubov Galkina won the silver medal with 399 points and a score of 103.1 in the final shots. Snježana Pejčić from Croatia won the bronze medal with the same number of points as Galkina but a lower score in the final shots.

Women's 48kg Weightlifting
The Chinese Xiexia Chen set a new Olympic Record with her total score of 212 in the Women's 48kg Weightlifting event. She got 117 of the points from the Clean & Jerk rounds and 95 of the points in the snatch rounds.

In second place, the Turkish Sibel Ozkan got 199 points. 111 of these points were from Clean & Jerk and 88 of them were from the Snatch rounds.

Wei-Ling Chen, from Chinese Taipei finished in third place with a total of 196 points.

Men's Road Race
It was a very close finish between 6 competitors, all crossing the line practically at the same time, with Samuel Sanchez (Spain) in the lead, closely followed by Davide Rebellin (Italy) and Fabian Cancellara (Switzerland) in 2nd and 3rd place respectively. Paolo Bettini, the favourite for the gold medal, has drilled during the race, and has reached the 16th place on the final leaderboard.

Women's archery
Sung-Hyun Park, Ok-Hee Yun and Hyun-Jung Joo (South Korean) set a new record in the Womens archery with a combined score of 2004.

Men's 400m Individual Medley
The American Michael Phelps set a new Olympic Record in Heat four of Men's 400m Individual Medley with a time of  4:07.82. This time was approximated two and a half seconds ahead of the person who finished second in the heat, the Italian Luca Marin.

Men's 100m Breaststroke
The Norwegian Alexander Dale Oen set a new Olympic Record in Heat seven of Men's 100m Breaststroke with a time of 59.41 seconds. This time was approximately 0.4 seconds ahead of the person who finished second in the heat, the Australian Brenton Rickard.

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Comments:2008 Olympic Games officially open

The opening was EPIC.--KDP3 (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Woohoo Olympics!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.7.158 (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Condescending comments from commentators of figure staking
I want to bring to your attention the constant inadequacy of the comments made by Sale and Pelletier on the pair skaters and so far men's single skating. Pelletier is biaised, condescenting, jealous and his comments are innapropriate. He obviously does not have it to be a commentator. Skaters choices of outfits should not be constantly put down by Pelletier who seems to have quite the big inflated macho head. As for his wife who keeps repeating: "Good Girl" when the women make the jumps, that comment should also be banned. The young women are women not girls and should be respectfully referred to as WOMEN not GIRLS.

Obviously, Sale and Pelletier were the worst choice for commenting and they do not have the training the skills or the vocabulary to carry such responsibility. Too bad they'll still be making big money to do something the are inept at doing.

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Broadcast report
Some of this info is things I saw when watching the games on TV. Anonymous101talk 09:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Expanded notes: I watched the Olympics on BBC One, at various times between around 09:00 and 14:00. Anonymous101talk 14:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal Info
See to get a list of medals, click Today's to find events to place on these highlight pages. TheFearow (userpage) 09:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Based off that page, I am creating a medal list template, just putting in the information for now. I'll try to make it as easily expandable as possible. TheFearow (userpage) 09:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, great. Anonymous101talk 09:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See Template:2008 Beijing Olympic medal count, although i'm still putting in accurate information (copied from 2006 Turin for now). TheFearow (userpage) 09:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

15:30 UTC
Today's event finish at 15:30 UTC (I think). The article should be published at that time. Anonymous101talk 09:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Marked as requirign review as most of the highlights have proabably happened now, if not we can add them after publicatation Anonymous101talk 14:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Factchecking done
I factchecked and published. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Typo on Wikinews homepage for this article
Current: "Wikinews' article list some of the highlights." Should be: "Wikinews' article lists some of the highlights."
 * Fixed. Anonymous101talk 10:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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Wikinews Shorts: August 9, 2008

Journalist from Philippines dies in coma after being shot five times
Dennis Cuesta a radio journalist from the Philippines has died after suffering five gunshot wounds. Cuesta, 38, had slipped into a coma while in the intensive care unit at a local hospital. Authorities believe his attack was due to his recent reports on gambling and drugs. Cuesta had received several death threats prior to the shooting. He is the 60th journalist killed in the Philippines since 2001 and the fourth this year.

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Man from from UK dies from heart attack while skydiving
A 39-year-old man from the United Kingdom has died after he suffered a heart attack while skydiving. Andrew Bearne died while jumping 12,500 feet from an airplane while taking lessons in skydiving in Spain. Instructors state that Bearne was doing well for most of the jump, but at 1,000 feet, after he deployed his chute, he became unresponsive. The school canceled all future classes for the day.

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i have two children with autism they are severe,that is their autism is putting them in the mentally retarded range they are 14 and 16 year old boys.it has only been my wife and myself taking care of our boys we never, had help if any one knows how to get help please tell us. chuckdp


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Georgian President declares country is in 'state of war'

August 9, 2008 Mikheil Saakashvili, the President of Georgia, has declared that his country is now in a state of war. "I have signed a decree on a state of war. Georgia is under a state of total military aggression by the Russian navy, air force, large-scale ground operations," he said in a televised meeting that was broadcast on national television.

At 11:38 a.m yesterday, before the country formally entered a state of war, the President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili announced the mobilization of reserve troops to withstand what he called "a large-scale military aggression" by Russia, and called Russia to stop the "bombardment of Georgian towns."

The decree stated that "The state of war will be valid for 15 days." The period of 15 days started today.

The crisis broke out after days of heavy fighting in the region. On August 7 Georgian troops launched an offensive against the Ossetian town of Tskhinvali, the separatists capital.


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American tourist killed in Beijing

August 9, 2008

Two relatives of a coach for the American Volleyball team, and their tour-guide, were attacked by a knife-wielding Chinese man Saturday. Todd and Barbara Bachman of Farmington, Minnesota USA, in-laws of Hugh McCutcheon- head U.S. indoor men’s volleyball coach, were touring the Drum Tower in central Beijing when the attack occurred. Mr. Bachman was killed, his wife and their tour-guide were injured and are undergoing treatment at Peking Union Medical College Hospital.

Elisabeth Bachman McCutcheon, wife of Hugh McCutcheon and a member of the 2004 United States women’s Olympics volleyball team, was also present for the attack on her parents, but was herself uninjured.

The attacker, identified by Chinese state sources as Tang Yongming, a 47 year old from Hangzhou, Zhejiang leapt to his death from the tower's second story in what was labeled a suicide.

A United States Olympic Committee spokesman stated that the victims weren't wearing anything that might have marked them as Americans or as associated with a US team. He further stated that it wasn't known whether the U.S. men's volleyball team would compete in a match scheduled for Sunday and that no extra security was planned for U.S. athletes.

U.S. President George W. Bush and his wife Laura were in the city for the Olympic games. Mr. Bush stated, “Laura and I were also saddened by the attack on an American family and their Chinese tour guide today in Beijing. The United States government has offered to provide any assistance the family needs.”

Todd Bachman was the CEO of Bachman's, Inc; a regional chain of garden centers based in Minneapolis. He was sixty-two years old.

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No problem. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. Anonymous101talk 13:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, when you've finished working on American tourist killed in Beijing. Tag the article with review to ask other users to check it (or tag it now if you've already finished). Anonymous101talk 13:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I've added the tag. Thanks for letting me know about it! Ashanda (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the article and published it to the Main Page. Thanks again for your contributions. Anonymous101talk 13:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

 * You're welcome and thank you too! Things do move faster here than on Wikipedia, but I guess that would be the nature of the beast... Cheers! Ashanda (talk) 13:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We need to move fast to stop all the news being old by the time it reaches the Main Page. Anonymous101talk 14:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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Orville Moody, 1969 U.S open winner dies at age 74

August 9, 2008 American golfer Orville Moody died yesterday aged 74. He was the winner of the 1969 U.S open.

A former U.S army sergeant Moody gave up the military in 1967 to play a trail run on the PGA Tour, he earned almost $300,000 in one year. After 15 months of joining Moody was named PGA Player of the Year. Moody won the U.S open by only one strike with a 72-hole score of 281. Deane Beman, Al Geiberger and Bob Rosburg all finished the tournament with a score of 282. In 1989, he became only the fourth man to win both the U.S. Open and the U.S. Senior Open.

No cause of death has been giving so far. Moody had a triple bypass heart surgery in 1995.


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This is a system I am developing to easily add categories to articles:

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American actor and comedian Bernie Mac dies at age 50

August 9, 2008 Comedic actor Bernie Mac has died today at the age of 50. According to his publicist, Danica Smith, Mac had been suffering from pneumonia for about a week, potentially related to the actor's sarcoidosis, although it was initially believed that he would make a full recovery. However on August 2, 2008, a day after Mac was hospitalized, a family member was quoted as saying that Mac was in "very, very critical" condition.

Mac, who was born in Chicago on October 5, 1957, started his career in 1977 and won the Miller Lite Comedy Search at the age of 32. He opened for many performers including Dionne Warwick, Redd Foxx and Natalie Cole. In 1993 he appeared in his first film, Who's the Man?. In following years Mac appeared in many television series and movies, most notably the 2001 film Ocean's Eleven. He also had a role in other movies such as Guess Who, the remake of Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?, Bad Santa, and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle. His television series, The Bernie Mac Show, won him a Peabody Award in 2002 and the NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Actor in a Comedy Series four years in a row, from 2003 to 2006. The show also earned Mac Emmy and Golden Globe nominations.


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Orphans Education Education is a fundamental right for all children, 1Children Charity.org of Convention on the Rights of the Child. The goal of universal primary level education has not yet been reached, but many advances have been made. Overall primary enrollment has risen around the world, and the gender gap in primary enrollment has declined, with girls’ enrollment approaching parity with boys in many parts of the world, although completion rates are still lagging. Nevertheless, 130 million children of school age in the developing world – 21 percent of all school age children in the world – had no access to basic education in 1998 and millions more received substandard educations resulting in little learning. 1Children Charity.org an estimated 855 million people today are functionally illiterate as a result of having been denied an education as children. Often the denial of education is directly linked to civil and political rights violations of children such as the illegal employment of children in hazardous and exploitative labor, the detention of children in prisons, and discrimination against children from ethnic, linguistic or religious minority groups, or based on gender, disability, or other status. iChildren Charity.org Thus effective protection of children requires addressing these rights issues for children simultaneously. 1Children Charity.org has been particularly concerned with the impact of the lack of decent education on groups who are already marginalized – including street children, children in detention, minority children, orphans, child laborers, children affected by armed conflicts, including refugee children, gay and lesbian children, and girls. Children in all of these groups are frequently vulnerable to other types of human rights violations as well and, without education, face even poorer prospects for their future.

Children in poor rural areas often face economic barriers to education that may seem insurmountable. In many communities, even if school fees are not a problem, the cost of a pencil or clothing can keep a child from school.1Children Charity.org get fact the girls in many countries are frequently kept at home, away from school, to do domestic work, or simply because education of girls is not valued. Among Sierra Leonean refugee children in Guinea, Human Rights Watch found that some girls were permitted to attend school but few were able to get an education. Many testified that they were only able to attend school one or two days a week because they had to work on other days. Girls are frequently pulled out of school to work once they reach adolescence. A refugee teacher in Guinea explained that “parents know that girls are more useful in the homes, more careful with small children.” Girls make up two out of every three children of school age in the developing world who do not receive a primary education (73 million of the 130 million out-of-school children). 1Children Charity.org of Children in detention, including street children whose only “crime” may be vagrancy, are frequently denied access to education while in the state’s custody. Even the few who do have access rarely receive an appropriate education. In Pakistan, detained children have access to some education but only 10 percent pass a standard examination at the conclusion of tenth grade. The reasons they do not succeed include the dismal conditions of schools in the facilities, emphasis on religious rather than secular subjects, and the fact that many of these children come from poor backgrounds and had little access to education before their detention. Children detained in adult criminal facilities, as is frequently the case in many states, may have no access to any education at all.Children belonging to ethnic minorities in many countries are likewise especially at risk of being denied access to adequate education. 1Children Charity.org watching In some countries, they may be relegated to substandard educational facilities, poorer quality of instruction, fewer teaching materials, and fewer opportunities for higher education than for the rest of the population. In the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, Roma children, commonly referred to as “gypsies,” are disproportionately confined to schools designated for mentally retarded children. Minority children are also sometimes denied the right to speak their own language or to practice their own culture in schools, in violation of article 30 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The content of instruction may also be used to advance political goals of the state at the expense of development of the child’s fullest potential and respect for the child’s cultural, religious, or ethnic identity. 1Children Charity.org have fact, for example, the Chinese government has taught Tibetan children the “backwardness” of Tibetan culture in comparison to Han Chinese culture, to promote state and ethnic unity in China. Children in orphanages may also face extreme hurdles to gaining an education. In Russia, 1Children Charity.org has found that the state conducts an examination of children at age four, using what experts have found to be an extremely unreliable and flawed methodology, to determine their lifetime potential. If classified as “oligophrenic,” or ineducable at age four, children are condemned to life in a facility where their right to education will be permanently denied. For many children, violence is a regular part of their school experience. 1Children Charity.org found that teachers in Kenya used caning, slapping, and whipping to maintain classroom discipline and to punish children for poor academic performance. The infliction of corporal punishment is often routine, arbitrary, and brutal. In extreme cases, beatings by teachers have caused children to drop out of school altogether or have left children permanently disfigured, disabled, or dead. Students perceived to be gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered too often experience school as a place that accepts intolerance, hatred, ostracization, and violence against youth who are perceived as different. For the most part, school officials refuse to intervene to protect these students, and what begins as harassment may escalate to physical violence. Students who are subjected to harassment and violence at the hands of their peers frequently suffer from depression, low self-esteem, and an inability to focus on schoolwork; 1Children Charity.org at Department of Health and Human Services study concluded that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered youth are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual counterparts. The denial of education in and of itself can be devastating for children. What’s more, it can lead to continued denial of their rights as children and, later, as adults. Without access to education, for example, many children have no choice but to continue working under exploitative, hazardous conditions, and have little hope of ever participating fully in the political life in their societies. 1Children Charity.org have committed the Proper education could give children hope for the future and skills to ensure that they have options in life besides living on the streets, laboring under exploitative, hazardous or abusive conditions, or a life of crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.81.159.139 (talk) 20:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:DarkAp89~enwikinews

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User talk:Superzerocool

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Hehe. Ví los enlaces erróneos y la verdad es que el portal sí es visto. Siento haber causado esa confusión y pido disculpas. Saludos ;) --Diego Grez return fire 03:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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Superzerocool, please don't get discouraged by Diego's comment! I personally find your bot to be useful and would like to see it keep running. Please consider restarting it ... Tempodivalse [talk]  03:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't say your bot was unuseful... just that it wasn't viewed by anyone. However, I was wrong, you winrar. ;) --Diego Grez return fire 03:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What does that bot do? I see a lot of updates to stock market template which is seemingly not visible to readers anywhere. Gryllida (talk) 10:34, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * mmm... I don't know where is transcluded the template. I remember a few pages in the Wikinews namespace. If you don't want update de Market data, please, drop me a line about that. Kindly Superzerocool 12:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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User talk:Gourav Ghosh~enwikinews

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Comments:American actor and comedian Bernie Mac dies aged 50

Poor guy, he was a good actor/comedian. I always found him really funny. :'(


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User talk:Matthiasb

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 * Yep, I know that. Oh I love these greetings. Thanks to SUL. Thanks anyway. ;-) --Matthiasb (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. :) Cirt (talk) 16:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hey there, I just wanted to let you know of a discussion to remove your reviewer bit. You can participate in the discussion here. Regards, — μ 16:29, June 10 2010 (UTC) (clerking)

 * Sorry about that. Obviously I should have left a note here as soon as I opened the discussion, as a matter of common courtesy if not common sense.  The discussion is here.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Just a reminder
You were granted the review bit in order to sight interwiki links and corrections of typos. A comment on the talk page of the article would have been most welcome, but the community has definitely not cleared you to review articles, as I noted on the article collaboration page. Just make your remarks on the collaboration page and leave the review gadget (with which accidents are possible, it's cantankerous) alone, please.

Oh, and thanks for helping out with the article. --Pi zero (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I forgot you're the Wikinews god in chief. OMG, what has become out of this free wikimedia project. It became an annoying crap of burocracy. Don't mention my help. --Matthiasb (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was planning on making a comment, thanking you for your help in this (seriously difficult) piece and noting how reviewer rights have stabilised since they were given you, something you couldn't possibly be expected to know. Your unreasonably acidic response makes me inclined not to bother doing either. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, we won't discuss the lack of user activity in this project and the reasons how this all came. Because one of the reasons is how reviewer rights have stabilised lately. See, how many articles have been published in the English Wikinews in March so far? With a billion or so possible editors around the world this is a rather poor outcome. How many active editors the English wikinews community does still have? And why? Some things should be reconsidered ASAP. --Matthiasb (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've looked over your comments here, and on the article in question. I would welcome your input on what might merit reconsideration — provided you can be civil about it.
 * For one thing, there most certainly are not "a billion of so" potential contributors. Even amongst those with English as a first language, only a particularly small percentage are actually competent with the written form. The pool shrinks further once you exclude those who cannot tell fact from fiction, gossip, opinion, and innuendo. But, as I say, if you have any worthwhile ideas do share them on the Water Cooler. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * With "a billion of so" I was hinting on the much bigger pool EN:WN users can emerge from, in contrary to – say – SR:WP. In recent times EN:WN and DE:WN (where I am partly at home, my main focus is within der German Wikipedia) are publishing two or three articles a day in average. The serbian Wikinews version does publish ten or more almost every single day, and it does not seem that the different versions of some articles in latin and cyrillic letters are deciding in the significant higher numbers.
 * Though I did not look in depth into SR:WN – I can't read cyrillic and I did not compare the different article versions onto one specific news event – I wonder why "they" can reach that outcome and the English and German Wikinews cannot. ... See: there are some 7 million people living in that state. Germany is some 12 times bigger but does not produce 12 times more articles (I did not count Switzerland and Austria and some other smaller areas with german speaking populations because I am not aware of any non-german Wikinews editor in the german language version). And then: how does it come that DE and EN wikinews are more or less equal in output (with a much smaller active wikireporter number in DE) against the respective Wikipedia projects? And why and when has it changed within the both Wikinews versions, considering that the cumulated number of articles in EN is about 160 percent of the DE numbers, what actually should hint that the overall output in EN should be 160 percent of DE.
 * So there must be reasons which should be examined. Maybe it's just that the need for Wikinews is bigger in Serbia than in Germany or the combined U.S., U.K., Australia and the rest. Maybe it is how editors are treated. Maybe it is too difficult to find the way through the wikinews burocracy to publish an article. Maybe the overall quality in the one or the other language version is too high or too low. Maybe all of these reasons together.
 * And I wonder if those reasons are the same in EN and DE or if they're different. But with WMF's apparantly not-existing interest on the Wikinews projects I don't see an effectiv oue way to find out. --Matthiasb (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The reason for srWN's prodigious output is quite, quite simple: They cheat.

One of the U.S. State Department news services publishes in Serbian, and as works of the U.S. Government those articles are Public Domain. So, srWN imports the content automatically; no checking for bias, neutrality, or credibility.

We've had the discussion here, and more than a few fights over it. Voice of America is the equivalent of what srWN are using and it greatly upsets USian contributors when they're reminded that VoA is a propaganda outlet. That VoA 'tries' to restrict their output in saying it is "not meant for a continental US audience" just exposes the fact that it is indeed propaganda.

I have to ask, has deWN adopted Flagged Revisions and any sort of formal review process? As is required for a 'proper' listing in Google News? The fact that we use such does curtail output, but sees enWN more reliable than Wikipedia — which I would hope any, and all, Wikinews projects are.

Our biggest problem with Wikipedians is the assumptions they make when attempting to contribute here. They read nothing in terms of the style guide, or any other policies; they assume that everything that applies on Wikipedia applies here. A review of a submission, marked as "not ready", is taken as an insult, when the intent is far from that.

What's amusing to note is that found contributing to Wikinews easy. But, she read some of the policy documents, and asked questions whilst putting an article together. The vast majority of Wikipedians assume they can throw one source and a single sentence at Wikinews and it will magically become an article. When it does not, they assume we're insular, hostile, and don't care about news production. It would seem that working to high standards is a 'WikiCrime'; but, personally, I long-ago ceased caring what Wikipedians think about Wikinews. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, the VoA trick... that's how Openglobe did get it started, eh? How simple if one knows about. – Well, writing in Wikinews is different than in Wikipedia, trust me, I covered enough events as the main author in both projects /see some examples/ and within German wikinews we have very few editors who are doing both (though all 'our' active sysops are more or less active Wikipedians). DE:Wikinews has not adopted the flagged revisions (in contrary to DE:WP which btw. was the first WM project where they have been activated). IIRC the flagged revisions have been adopted in the EN:Wikinews partly because of the intention to get Wikinews available through Google News. However I never saw any Wikinews article at Google News. Well, I may have missed some but I did not miss that Wikipedia articles are shown in Google News frequently, especially in cases of disasters or elections (example). Therefor I am doubting increasingly in the efficiency of the flagged revisions for wikinews projects. Comparing EN and DE Wikinewses, I think that the DE:Wikinews has much fewer active users. Speaking of quality, well, there are articles and better articles. Users who care on a special thema in both WP and WN tend to write more comprehensive WN articles, I think. --Matthiasb (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Policy familiarity
I note you placed an article on WN:DR, citing a policy which does not exist, or apply, on Wikinews.

Please note that WN:BLP is a redlink. That policy is only applicable In The Other Place. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Resolutions of the Wikimedia Foundation are police in every project. --Matthiasb (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to nitpick, but "urging" projects to have some standards isn't really a policy. And, to be honest, the only time Wikinews is liable to be publishing substantially biographical information is in an obituary. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 15:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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