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If it wasn't clear, the book source, previously removed, verifies the English name of the Holiday. A statement was removed with it, apparently because it was incorrectly assumed to be what the source verified. As I stated in my edit summary Cite sources appears to contradict the edit summary that book sources are not generally allowed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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I remember reading this morning before I posted the article that Eid was a three day holiday staring on the 10th of the month. Someone may wish to check whether the statement that it was the last day of Eid is correct, or whether it was the second day. I do not have time to do so now--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


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This is impossible!!
This must be false because our benevolent leader has promised us that the surge has already worked, are you sure you didn't just make this whole thing up in an effort to discredit him? Soapy (talk) 19:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

 * My god, I don't know what is more retarded. Blowing yourself up for Virgins or liberals?--KDP3 (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it is SO hard to figure out that Liberals are most CERTAINLY stupider than people who blow themselves into billions of pieces for non-existent virgins for a god of which no evidence has been brought forth supporting the existence of. I mean, come on, they believe in CHANGING things that are BROKEN! Who ever HEARD of such a concept? --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

LIFE NEEDS TO BE TREATED WIT RESPECT,NO ONE SHOULD EVERY SEPERATE HUMAN FROM DIFFERENT RELIGONS,WE ARE ALL HUMAN WIT MAJOR FEELINGS NO ONE HAS THE RIGHTS TO EVER TAKE ANY ONES LIFE THAT TIME AN HOUR WILL COME NOT THIS WAY COS IT PAINS TO SEE HALF THE FAMILY SURVIVE AN THE OTHERS MISSING FOR GOOD IT SCARES THE HEARTS VERY BADLY AN WILL NOT HEAL AT ALL FOR SURE AT ALL.ONLY ONE THING CAN PEOPLE DO IS PRAY FOR THE SOULS DEPARTED FROM LIFE.ITS SAD .......

Partition
Suppressed tensions don't go away. These things must work themselves out and there can't be any peace until then. Iraq is headed towards partition. Kurds take a small area and then arrange with Turkey to allow free movement across the border. Otherwise people are going to be killed for innumerable reasons, or people are going to be forced into becoming refugees leaving their land behind. 72.146.170.82 04:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately the United States has exascerbated the conflict between Shia and Sunni 10 fold by arming and training Shia militias who claim to be fighting terrorists as they wantonly kill and abduct Sunnis. This makes the Sunni minority turn to Al Qaeda for protection for the Iraqi "security forces".  These people are terrorists in so much as if Iran invaded the U.S I would be a terrorist for killing an Iranian soldier.  This whole situation is absolutely ridiculous and I hate to think about Obama's plan to escalate the war in Afghanistan where things are even worse than Iraq.Soapy (talk) 20:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


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EYE FOR AN EYE-- NEXT WIL FIND MOTHER IN A PLASTIC BAG? SHE IS AWFUL

the person incharge of this crime should be deltwit in life sentence,reason being no moral value of lifethe person must be treated the same but in jail,they asked for it poor child wat did that innocent child do to have been treated that way.its very very sad for sure who ever reads an hears this info.........

Hopefully
I really hope that it is her so that we can at least get some closure on this case

I think this is just outragious. This poor little girl lost her life just because her mother didn't give a damn about her. I am extreemly sad for this little girl and her family. The mother should be charged already because this is a sin. I watched this on dateline in the summer '08 and it was devistating. Caylee was so cute and she didn't deserve to die. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.164.177 (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

How the baby died.
Since she the tots mom, liked the night live. The mother took the child to the nightclub gave the child some chlorofom knock her out with the chemicle put in the trunk while she went inside. The baby suffocated died and the mother went on her lying mode.____—Villanueva82 (talk) 17:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


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Israel allows cash for Gazans

December 11, 2008

Since the beginning of the Israeli blockade in the Gaza Strip, there have been two main shortages for the Gazans: food and money. Israel has allowed minimal food shipments in, but up until yesterday no cash had been let into the Strip. Heeding United Nations warnings that a blockade of cash flow to Gaza would cause a liquidity crisis, Israel allowed US$25 million into the Strip, where 1.5 million people are struggling to survive since the blockade imposed by Israel blocked all UN aid in early November.

The money will go to pay civil servants' salaries, and will be given to those in most desperate need of food. However, Palestinian economy minister Kamal Hassuneh has warned that $70 to $75 million for salaries is needed and that the money should be transferred every month, not just once.

In addition to allowing much-needed cash into Gaza, Israel has also begun allowing reporters into the area and admitting aid workers to dock in Gaza ports.

The blockade is now in its second month after it began because of rocket fire eminating from the area.

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Mugabe declares Zimbabwe cholera crisis under control

December 12, 2008 Robert Mugabe, the President of the African country of Zimbabwe, denied reports that the country is suffering from a outbreak, saying that doctors have curbed the epidemic. "I am happy to say our doctors are being assisted by others and the [World Health Organisation] have now arrested cholera," he said in a nationally televised address on Thursday, in response to recent calls for Mugabe to step down from office.

The organisation said, on the other hand, that "if anything is certain in the chaos of Zimbabwe today, it is that the cholera outbreak is not under control."

President Mugabe accused Western powers of using the cholera outbreak as an excuse to seek his overthrow. "Because of cholera, Mr Brown, Mr Sarkozy and Mr Bush want military intervention," Mugabe said. "Let's tell them that the cholera cause doesn't exist any more."

"Shall we also say that [because] there is mad cow disease, there must be war, Britain must be invaded. Mr. Brown, your head must go for some medical correction," he added in Thursday's televised speech.

Mugabe's statement comes in the midst of one of the worst cholera epidemics in the recent history of Zimbabwe that saw over 16,000 cases reported and almost 800 people dead.


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Bank of America to cut 30,000 jobs
Bank of America has announced that it is planning to cut anywhere between 30,000 and 35,000 jobs over the next three years. This comes after the completion of its takeover of the company Merril Lynch.

The job reductions could affect around 11% of the combined workforce of both companies, which amounts to about 308,000 people. The cuts are aimed at saving US$7 billion of annual costs.

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African Union troops to leave Somalia
Meles Zenawi, the Prime Minister of Ethiopia, has told the parliament that African Union (AU) peacekeepers stationed in the east African country of Somalia want to leave the country by the end of the year.

They have requested that Ethiopian troops that are planning to leave the country at the end of the year to help them withdraw from Somalia's capital of Mogadishu. There are some 3,200 troops from Uganda and Burundi covering sites in that city.

The withdrawal of the armed forces, however, could leave the area vulnerable to an insugent assault.

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Boeing delays launch of 787 once again
The aeroplane manufacturer Boeing has announced that there will be another delay in the launch of its 787 "Dreamliner" aircraft. The postponement has been blamed on production problems and strikes by machinists.

The aeroplane's first flight has been put off until the second quarter of 2009, and will not start shipping until a year later. This is the 787's fourth delay, and the aircraft is already two years behind schedule.

Boeing suggests that its financial outlook for 2009 will affected by the postponement.

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Human remains in mass grave confirm Argentina secret death camp

December 12, 2008

During a seven-month search, the  (EAAF) on Tuesday, confirmed more than 10,000 charred human bone fragments were unearthed between February and September, in a pit at Pozo de Arana, a former,  secret government detention center. The Arana prison or police station was used to torture prisoners during the so-called Argentina "," and was one of 300 used to interrogate Argentine prisoners.

The war refers to the state-sponsored violence against Argentine citizenry from roughly 1976 to 1983 carried out primarily by 's military government. The exact chronology of the repression is still debated, as trade unionists were targeted for assassination as early as 1973. 's "annihilation decrees" of 1975, during , have also been suggested as the origin of The Dirty War.

The official record reveals that up to 13,000 people disappeared, while 30,000 were killed during this time. Argentine security forces and death squads worked hand in hand with other South American dictatorships in the frame of. An Argentine court would later condemn the government's crimes as and "".

EAAF president and forensic scientist Luis Fondebrider said that "in 25 years of searching, this was the first time that human remains were found at a former detention cente; the magnitude of what the team has found where the Clandestine Center of Arana was located, merits that sometimes they show partial results." He further noted that "the bodies had been burned inside graves along with tires, combustibles and other material; and the possibilities of identifying some of these remains is low because of the state they are in." Fondebrider concluded that "this scientifically confirms the testimonies of the detained, the hundreds of survivors who have said for years that authorities tortured, killed and burned the bodies of political opponents."

The anthropological discovery further reveals that a wall with more than 200 bullet marks or holes and an "important quantity" of used on the ground nearby, were found adjacent the mass pit grave. As evidence of executions, they were marked with red paint by forensic scientists. The team, however, failed to determine how many bodies the fragments represented. Maria Vedio, 47, legal chairwoman for the said that " this is the first time there is proof that Arana wasn't only a detention and torture center, but also a center of elimination."

Sara Derotier de Cobacho, secretary of human rights for said, "I ask the forgiveness of family members, because I can imagine what the mothers and all who are gathered here will feel, but what we are about to show is not to detail the genocide but so that we have proof for the trials that are to come; but let us not forget, that behind every clandestine center there were the names of the repressors. ... so it is very important for all citizens to know those names; we are looking for the truth so we can attain justice and construct, from there, the memory of our 30,000 'desaparecidos'."

Some of those responsible for the have been charged and meted life or death sentences. They include, a senior Argentine , who worked in the during the first years of the military dictatorship known as the. He was convicted and sentenced to in 2006, on charges of, , and. The tribunal, besides handing the sentence, stated that Etchecolatz's committed " in the context of the that took place in Argentina". But the principal complainant, who was detained at Arana, has since disappeared.


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I CREATED this news article in view of the fact that this is a major crime and law discovery in 25 years: EAAFpresident and forensic scientist Luis Fondebrider said that "in 25 years of searching this was the first time that human remains were found at a former detention center ..." Please help in reviewing this article. Thanks. --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Inaccurate information
There is no death sentence in Argentina and therefore none of the convicted genocidal military or police killers have been subjected to one.


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Very cute blog with jamon. Thanks for the comment.--Florentino Floro (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

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Market maker Bernard L. Madoff arrested in $50B 'giant Ponzi scheme'

December 12, 2008

Top broker and Wall Street adviser Bernard L. Madoff, aged 70, was arrested and charged by the FBI on Thursday with a single count of, also known as stock fraud and investment fraud. He allegedly told senior employees of his firm on Wednesday that his $50 billion business "is all just one big lie" and that it was "basically, a giant (since at least 2005)." Mr. Madoff faces up to 20 years and a fine of up to $5 million. FBI agent Theodore Cacioppi said Mr. Madoff's investment advisory business had "deceived investors by operating a securities business in which he traded and lost investor money, and then paid certain investors purported returns on investment with the principal received from other, different investors, which resulted in investors' losses of approximately $50 billion dollars."

The former chairman of the is also the founder and primary owner of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, the closely-held market-making firm he launched in 1960. The firm is one of the top firms on Wall Street. He founded his family firm with an initial investment of $5,000, after attending Law School. He saved the money earned from a job at  and a part time job installing.

A force in trading for nearly 50 years, he has been active in the  (NASD), a self-regulatory organization for the U.S. securities industry. His firm was one of the five most active firms in the development of the, having been known for "paying for order flow," in other word paying a broker to execute a customer's order through Madoff. He argued that the payment to the broker did not alter the price that the customer received. He ran the investment advisory as a secretive business, however.

Dan Horwitz, counsel of Mr. Madoff, in an interview, said that "he is a longstanding leader in the financial-services industry with an unblemished record; he is a person of integrity; he intends to fight to get through this unfortunate event." Mr. Madoff was released on his own on the same day of his arrest, after his 2 sons turned him in, and posting $10 million bail secured by his Manhattan apartment. Without entering any plea, the Court set the preliminary hearing for January 12.

Madoff's scheme may rank among the biggest fraud in history. When former energy trading giant filed for bankruptcy in 2001, one of the largest at the time, it had $63.4 billion in assets. The scheme would dwarf past Ponzis, and it would further be nearly five times the telecommunication company  in 2002.

The Securities and Exchange Commission filed a separate civil on Thursday against Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities and its eponymous founder Mr. Madoff. It was docketed as "U.S. v. Madoff," 08-MAG-02735, by the. SEC, New York associate director of enforcement, Andrew M. Calamari, asked the judge to issue on the firm and its assets, and appoint a. The SEC pleads, among others, that "it was an ongoing $50 billion swindle; our complaint alleges a stunning fraud that appears to be of epic proportions." It further accused the defendant of "paying returns to certain investors out of the principal received from other, different investors" for years. Madoff's hedge fund business had previously claimed to have served between 11 and 25 clients and had $17.1 billion in assets under management. But virtually all of the assets were missing.

on Thursday appointed Lee Richards, a Manhattan lawyer, as the firm's receiver. A hearing is set for Friday, for a ruling on the SEC's petition to grant plenary powers to the receiver over the entire firm, and an absolute asset sequestration.

Doug Kass, president of hedge fund Seabreeze Partners Management said that "this is a major blow to confidence that is already shattered -- anyone on the fence will probably try to take their money out."


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I CREATED this news article, in view of the fact that this is one of the biggest securities fraud in history. Please help review this article. Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 12:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey just noticed the edit says january 10 2008 not 2009, someone should fix that. 122.107.15.104 22:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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FIA lays out cost cutting measures for Formula One

December 12, 2008

The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) has revealed the details of the cost-cutting measures for Formula One that were agreed on Wednesday in talks with the teams. The new measures are expected to save the manufacturer teams at least 30 percent of their budgets next season, with the savings increasing as more of the measures are introduced in the future. The raft of agreements has saved the teams from the threat of standardised engines until at least 2013 and savings for independent teams are predicted by the FIA to be even higher.

For next season the engines will now have to last 3 races, rather than thee current 2 race requirement, and each driver is allowed up to 8 engines throughout the year and the team is allowed a further 4 for testing. Engines will now be rev limited to 18,000 rpm and Renault managed to obtain agreement from the other teams for modifications of its engine to bring it into line with the other engines in the sport. Testing will be affected, with in season testing banned and wind tunnels not to exceed 6:10 scale or 50 metres per second. Teams will be expected to share fuel and tyre data at grand prix in an effort to save on the manpower requirement at the race weekends. The teams will also have to close their factories for 6 weeks a year. The FIA will also be conducting research into the possibility of using a medal system for F1 next season, an idea championed by Bernie Ecclestone, the boss of Formula One Management.

Starting in 2010 more changes will come into force, with the introduction of the cheaper engines being made available to independent teams, costing less than €5 million per season. Any contracts for the cheaper 2010 engines will have to be signed by the 20th of December, 2008. Another engine freeze will occur at the start of the 2010 season, with the engines from 2010 continuing through to the end of 2012. The FIA also intends to try to introduce standardised transmission systems in 2010 and will look at chassis design to determine which aerodynamic parts will be standardised or allowed to be competitive differentiators. Races will see more changes in 2010 with the use of tyre warmers and refuelling banned, and the possibility of shorter race distances has been put forward pending market research. What work the teams can engage in at the factories will also be further limited this season to reduce the manpower and other running costs.

The FIA has raised the possibility of a new power train entirely to be developed for the 2013 season, in consultation with the Formula One Teams Association, and will also discuss making Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS) compulsory from 2010. KERS, which is being introduced as a voluntary measure in 2009, has divided the teams with some embracing the technology while others, such as Ferrari, have criticised it.


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Zoo elephants live shorter lives than their wild counterparts, report warns

December 12, 2008 A recently released report has found that elephants living in protected environments in their natural habitats live significantly longer lives than elephants kept in zoos.

The report focused on Elephants in European zoos, and it stated that "bringing elephants into zoos profoundly impairs their viability." Georgia J. Mason, who lead the study, also stated that zoos do not need to abandon the idea of keeping elephants in captivity, although he did recommend that imports of the animal should only occur in zoos which have a track record of successfully addressing issues in elephant's health, and have a productive breeding programme.

“Currently zoos are consumers rather than producers of elephants,” added Mason. “We feel that’s not really appropriate.”

The Association of Zoos and Aquariums criticised the findings. The organisation's senior vice president for conservation and education, Paul Boyle, described the research as “terribly flawed.”

Boyle also stated that he did not remember any time when elephants were brought into the US for zoos. "I cannot speak for other countries," he added "but that [the statement that elephants are imported for zoos] is not true of the United States.”

The researchers for the report were from organisations including the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the University of Guelph.


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Comments:German internet watchdog to remove URLs to 'Virgin Killer' from search engines

Here we go again! *cue sitcom laugh track*

Duh
It's a funny thing, censoring stuff to protect kids - particular kids of a certain age group (teenagers particularly). The thing is, there's a certain subset of those kids who, when you say "You can't look at this picture, you can't listen to this music, you can't read this book" will go "... I'm sorry, *what* can't we look at? *What* can't we listen to? *What* can't we read? Right, we'll see about that!" and all it does is draw attention to it and it doesn't take them long to find the workarounds. Hooray for the Streisand effect. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 11:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Is it just me who thinks that the difference between arab countries and western democraties is getting more and more symbolic? Why do we need internet watchdogs? Who entitled them? And how do they believe that there is an effective censorship possible in our age? All they do is to draw attention to the censored things. - 141.76.176.199 12:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Get some proper encryption and this all means nothing. Fephisto (talk) 17:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


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=Should elephants be kept in zoos?=

"... shorter lives then their wild counterparts", huh? GRAMMAR IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, WIKINEWS! -22:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)22:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)22:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.209.50 (talk)

I thought it was common for animals to have shorter lives in zoos then in the wild?--KDP3 (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Habitat the problem?
It would be interesting to compare the viability of elephants kept in a safari land type park where the animals range freely with various other species over dozens of acres vs. traditional zoo quarters which are cramped by comparison and segregated. In the large parks, elephants are also free to supplement thier diets with living plants rather than subsist soley on an animal feed diet. PerryO206.24.48.1 18:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's wrong to keep any animals in the zoo... the difference between seeing them in real life and seeing them on TV it's not gonna change our lives much, is it..? I'd rather read about an elephant and see them on TV than going to the Zoo and watch them in their "cages".AlexDuarte (talk) 03:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alex, I completely agree. Even if they did live longer, it is still wrong. Would you rather live 60 years in prison or 50 years in happiness? Anonymous101talk 16:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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US automaker bailout deal fails to pass Senate

December 12, 2008

🇺🇸A billion bailout package deal for the "Big Three" United States automakers —, , and General Motors — has been rejected in the United States Senate after failing a procedural vote.

The bill was rejected after bipartisan discussions on the bailout broke down when leaders insisted that the  (UAW) union agree to increase wage cuts by next year in order to bring their pay into line with those of  automobile companies in the United States. The UAW refused to meet the demands.

The final vote count in the Senate was 52-35, eight short of the 60 needed to pass. Only ten Republicans joined forty Democrats and two independents in voting for the bill. Three Democrats voted with thirty-one Republicans against it.

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said that he was "terribly disappointed" by the failure of the bill to pass. "I dread looking at Wall Street tomorrow. It's not going to be a pleasant sight," Reid said. "Millions of Americans, not only the auto workers but people who sell cars, car dealerships, people who work on cars are going to be directly impacted and affected."

Republican Senator was also unhappy about the rejection. "We were about three words away from a deal. We solved everything substantively and about three words keep us from reaching a conclusion," he said.

Some Democrats now want to reserve a portion of the $700 billion bailout package earmarked for Wall Street to assist the flagging car industry.

Stock markets worldwide fell dramatically on the news, with Japan's average losing 484.68 points, or 5.6 percent, reaching a level of 8253.87 points. Shares in the auto companies Toyota, Nissan and Honda all dropped by no less than 10 percent apiece. European stocks, such as those in the United Kingdom and Germany, also lost ground, with the FTSE-100 index of leading shares falling 176.3 points to a level of 4,211 at midday.


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Wow I'm shocked at that number.--KDP3 (talk) 18:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Stuff like this is what makes me very cynical of anything the government does. Fephisto (talk) 16:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Be grateful to God for the liberty and freedom we have in the USA
The genocide of the 20th century is staggering. It is incredible from the nazis in Germany, Stalin in Russia, Idi Amin in Africa, Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Serbs & Croations in Bosnia,to Saddam's atrocities in Iraq, now we find out about 30,000 in Argentina in the 70's and 80's! Man's inhumanity to man surpasses any rationality.

All these murders were to secure political power and crush dissent for one regime and tyrant after another.

The Democratic American political system of government is not something we are forcing on countries. Rather it is liberation. It is the proclamation that liberty and freedom under democracy leads to a much better life. PerryO206.24.48.1 19:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But if the 'liberation' saves 100 lives a month and kills 600 per day that is not a good thing. Anonymous101talk 16:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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"under arrested"? This guy is crazy.--KDP3 (talk) 18:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Something needs to be done about this guy, he is running a once rich country into the ground. He is so old and senile, that he really believes what he is saying is true. People are dying for God's sakes, this has gone too far! (Trumpy (talk) 23:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC))

Someone should edit that news article... they spelt dictator president for some reason Signed, an ex-Zimbabwean

I am always suspicious of the demonization of foreign leaders. When I was younger I went to Cuba and was able to see with my own eyes how popular and revered Fidel Castro was- he was loved and respected and his place in Cuban history is very definitely as the father of his country. I went to Venezuela and saw the same thing regarding Hugo Chavez. Mugabe threw out the remnants of European colonizers and the West has never forgiven or forgotten. Cholera is the result of a vicious blockade against Zimbabwe, and I am sure the subversive forces of England and the US has been working around the clock trying to bring Mugabe down. Other demonized leaders are Kim Jung Il, Kadhafi, Khruschev. The thing they all had in common is that none allowed Western capitalists into their country to exploit the natural and human resources at will. I don't believe the West gives a damn for the people of Zimbabwe, whether they die of cholera or house maid's knee,the only thing they want is a president who will let them into the country to exploit its resources.

 * I tend to avoid lowering myself into tit-for-tat fights with other commentators, but the proceeding comment has provoked me. The phrase "ignorance is bliss" comes to mind. Firstly, I would like to point out that England is not a sovereign state, it is a part of the United Kingdom - a simple slip of the tongue which often suggests blind faith of political propaganda. Zimbabwe used to be a prosperous country, a beautiful country in the same way as Mugabe used to be a hero, for his part in securing that independent prosperity. However, it is a pity to see how much he has been corrupted by so much power for so long. I would be quite happy to see Mugabe remain as leader if he listened and acted with the will of his people, instead of for his and his party's personal interests -living in luxury whilst children lie dying in the streets. It is only a matter of time before unpaid Zimbabwean soldiers decide that Mugabe is not their master any more, and the country becomes a completely failed state. Millions of refugees will cross the borders into South Africa, and the country that so many Zimbabweans fought to save will be dead for ever.--92.237.92.135 18:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * @69 As a Cuban American, son of a exiled family who at one time supported Fidel. I'd laugh at your post and your ignorance. Good day sir or ma'am.--KDP3 (talk) 23:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Is it interesting that "69.106.5.178" is an USA ADSL line? For some reason it is surprising to me that someone with so much hatred for the west seems to be in America. --Aled D (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

When is this guy going to lose his power hold? I thought having a million percent inflation (or whatever it's up to now), pretty much signed your death warrant. Fephisto (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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"live shorter lives then their wild counterparts" or "live shorter lives than their wild counterparts"? 209.53.110.177 22:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Market maker Bernard L. Madoff arrested in $50B 'giant Ponzi scheme'

$50B 'giant Ponzi scheme'? Former chairman of the Nasdaq Stock Market? Scary! The economy is a regular horror story these days. (And top points to Wikinews for timely reporting) --77.75.161.35 19:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The funds were MISSING? How does $17.1 Billion disappear just like that? Further, how does a company filled with people hired to handle this money simply not know what's going on upstairs? Could he really be the only one responsible?
 * The money didn't disappear. Those who left the snowball-system, early enough got the money from those who missted to get out. This system broke after another investor asked for his $7B Dollar. -- 87.162.79.9 15:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Madoff is a cub scout compared to the big boys!!!
We just gave Wall Street $350 BILLION with NO Strings. Nobody in congress even knows where it went or for what!

The plutocrats have been using our money to aquire smaller banks, for lavish executive rereats and multi million dollar bonuses! The folks in smalltown USA are still being forclosed on and kicked out of their homes by these same fat cats.

People are being layed off right and left because Bankers will not finance factories. Consumer confidence is at an all time low for the past 20 years and nobodys buying anything.

Big oil gouged folks up to $5 a gallon in my home town just a few weeks ago. Everybody is afraid they'll do it again anytime they feel like it, so nobody is still driving much.

Hey just peal off another $50 billion from Uncle Sam's Bank roll and throw it down this rabbit hole too! PerryO206.24.48.1 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

How can this man get bail??
The man is accused of stealing BILLIONS of dollars and a judge gives him bail of just 10 million dollars. He's surely paying bail with other people's money. My bank has 3 BILLION at stake in this investment outfit and the stupid judge lets him out on bail! Is that American justice??? I would have thought that for fraud on this scale (which on the face of it he seems to be admitting) bail should have been denied. He should be behind bars now.

Craig Gutowsky Illinois Ponzi Scheme
Craig Gutowsky Illinois Ponzi Scheme Info on the Arrest of Craig Gutowsky Cary, Illinois PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS -VS- Craig Gutowsky Case Number 2010CF000225 Craig M Gutowsky was charged with 7 felonies involving THEFT BY DECEPTION WITH INTENT TO DEPRIVE – $100,000 -$500,000 and SECURITIES VIOLATION. Renee Gutowsky was not yet charged in this Illinois Ponzi .Craig Gutowskys is out on $150,000 bond and is working at Pre-owned Dealer  Elite Motors Mundelein, Illinois.


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Image on main page
I haven't yet read the story, but the image on the main page is completely unexplained and seems totally unrelated to the story - it says nothing of who he is or why he is relevant. A photo of a car, or a gathering of senators, would be more appropriate, although this may be fine if there is something to mention why it is there (mainly because it is so big). TheFearow (userpage) 09:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Israel allows cash for Gazans

Of course,if your sources are only Al Jazeera and Rusia news..........how you can trust in them?.Why don´t you go there to find out the truth?.Then you can give reliable information. COMPARE A DEMOCRATIC STATE TO A BAND OF MURDERS !!!. Don´t forget that in a recent past their own brothers (jordans,egipcians) kill them (1.500.000)and abandon them. The palestinian terrorists are only interested on smuggling all kind of weapons through the tunnels to kill more Israel civilian instead of feeding their starving children,children with theirwashed brains,children they use to explode in the ala´s name among innocent people and the "Jackpot" will be................. 72 blonde virgins in the paradise. Come on,give better and honest information.

 * Yeah and don't forget what the Israelis are doing to Palestinians, NaziIsrael is nothing more that Nazi Germany. Fuck Israel. Fuck their political system. Israel is a terrorist state.

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Wikinews Shorts: December 13, 2008

President-Elect Obama's inaugural donations to be listed online

The Presidential Inaugural Committee says it is "taking unprecedented steps to insure transparency in the public reporting of donors" by listing the names of individuals or organizations who donate over $200 towards President-Elect Barack Obama's upcoming inaugural.

Logging onto http://www.pic2009.org/page/content/donors/ will show you a current list of over 169 current donors who have given at least that amount, and for most of the donors, much more. Donors include movie stars, real estate moguls, and sports stars, many of whom also contributed to Obama's presidential campaign.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee states that it has raised almost $10 million dollars to cover the inaugural; and while that may seem like a large amount, the spending record for an inaugural is held by the current president, George W. Bush, with $42.8 million spent on his 2004 inaugural.

Scientists detect black hole at center of Milky Way Galaxy
American and German astronomers have detected and confirmed that there is a 'super-massive' black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy. It is approximately 27,000 light years from Earth, and four million times bigger than the Sun. Scientists say it plays a significant role in forming all galaxies.

The 16-year study was performed using two telescopes located in Chile. They discovered it by tracking the movement of over two dozen separate stars. The study will be published next month in The Astrophysical Journal.

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Zimbabwe accuses United Kingdom of causing cholera epidemic
An ally of Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe, Information Minister Sikhanyiso Ndlovu, has said that a cholera epidemic in the country, which killed hundreds of people, was caused by the United Kingdom.

Ndlovu said of the outbreak that it was a "genocidal onslaught on the people of Zimbabwe by the British." It was compared to a "serious biological chemical weapon".

This comes just a day after President Mugabe announced that the cholera epidemic had been stopped, contradicting aid workers saying that the crisis was only getting worse.

Mugabe has already accused Western powers of planning to use the epidemic as a reason to oust him.

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Colombia extradites drug lord to the United States
Diego Montoya, who is alleged to be one of the Colombia's most powerful drug lords, has been handed over to the United States authorities by Colombia to face trial. Montoya will face 12 charges, including those of murder, money laundering, and the trafficking of drugs. If convicted, he will serve no less than twenty years in prison.

Montoya was the leader of the Norte del Valle cartel, which is reported to have exported 70% of all the cocaine sold in both the European Union and the United States at its height. He was on the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation's "Top Ten" most wanted fugitives.

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Rare snowfall strikes southern United States
Snow has started falling in some southern states of the US, including Louisiana and Mississippi. As much as eight inches of snow were recorded, and thousands of people were left without power - one of Louisiana's largest power suppliers, Cleco Corporation, reported ten thousand outages. Forecasters warned of dangerous driving conditions, and some flights at Louis Armstrong International Airport, located near New Orleans, were affected.

In New Orleans, snow fell today for the first time in four years. The largest snowfall amount for the city ever recorded is about 5 inches, on December 30, 1963.

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Pin-up queen Bettie Page dies at age 85
Bettie Page, a model who became famous for her pin-up photos, has died at the age of 85. Page died of complications from a heart attack on Thursday, December 11.

She was born Bettie Mae Page on April 22, 1923 in Nashville, Tennessee. She was also one of the earliest Playmates of the Month for Playboy magazine.

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Estonian law to allow voting by cell phone
The Parliament of Estonia has passed a law that will allow citizens to vote by mobile phone in the 2011 parliamentary elections. Voters will need free, authorized chips for their phones.

In last year's elections, Estonians voted online. The country's Reform Party proposed mobile voting in September 2007.

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UN General Assembly approves measures to protect economic, social and cultural rights

December 13, 2008

The United Nations has adopted a new human rights instrument to protect.

The was formally adopted by the General Assembly on, December 10. The protocol establishes a complaints mechanism to the, allowing individuals to complain to an international body about breaches of the Covenant. Complaints will be heard by the UN's.

The adoption of the optional protocol has been welcomed by human rights groups, with calling it "a historic instrument that secures access to justice for everyone whose economic, social and cultural rights are violated". Souhayr Belhassen, President of the, said that the protocol would strengthen human rights.

"As we have seen for other rights, the development of an international complaint mechanism for victims of violations of economic, social and cultural rights will enable the strengthening of redress mechanisms at the national level, and of policies specifically targeted to ensure the realisation of these rights," he said.

A group of 36 UN human rights experts called the protocol "an essential step towards the establishment of a long-awaited mechanism that reinforces the universality, indivisibility, interdependence and interrelatedness of all human rights". They called on all states to quickly sign and ratify the protocol.

The optional protocol will now be opened for signature. It will come into force when ratified by 10 parties.

The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights came into force in 1976 and obliges its parties to protect and progressively implement economic, social, and cultural rights, including labour rights and rights to health, education, and an adequate standard of living. The Covenant has 159 parties. The United States has signed, but not ratified the Covenant.


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Quote sources: AI = AI press release, FIDH = NGO press release, UN HR experts = 2nd UN press release ("Economic, social and cultural rights: legal entitlements rather than charity" say UN Human Rights Experts).

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Is it just me or is the title kind of biased and presumptive? It's a matter of opinion whether or not it actually protects rights, rather, it should be it's declaring it's going to protect rights. --Poisonous (talk) 05:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Then feel free to change it; but IMHO alternatives such as "UN General Assembly approves OP-ICESCR" are either too long, too obscure, or both. --IdiotSavant (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:US automaker bailout deal fails to pass Senate

= Did the Senate do the right thing in rejecting the bailout plan? =

No
No. They didn't. This is just the Republicans trying bust the UAW. It's funny how they want the UAW to take cuts to match workers at the southern NON-UNIONIZED, TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED auto plants. Yet, the big just want this little bailout subsidy to keep themselves ALIVE. It sickens me. --TUFKAAP (talk) 07:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC) It ain't union busting. The unions are busting the automakers. 206.24.48.1 23:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The Climax of the "New Economy"
I think that our government's responses, over the past few months, to this global financial crisis is really an astronomical version of what has been going on for the past couple of decades. That is, the "Powers that Be" blindly worship industries that yield products that are completely intangible and that are at least doubly removed from reality (banks, insurance companies, the stock market, the "derivative market", etc...), while trying as hard as possible to abandon/destroy industries that yield physical products that society needs in order to survive and thrive (manufacturers). They think that the economy can still function if useful physical products are replaced by blackbox entities that don't really exist, and that have a value ambiguously attached (stocks, bonds, subprime mortgages, derivatives, etc...). That approach to the economy simply doesn't work, as demonstrated by recent events. As long as you have a lot of money banks can be replaced. However, manufacturers like the big three Automakers took a century to build its technology, plants, skilled workforce, and business practices. To say that we can easily recover from their collapse, is almost like saying that if the United States of America falls, the difficulties of building a new United States are minimal. Rather than attempt to fix the problem and move forward, it seems that the government and the other "Powers that Be" are making one last desperate attempt to hold on to the failed "New Economy". These "rescues" are only making things worse. With leadership like this, a "Greater Depression" would be the least of our problems. I only hope that this disaster is big enough and public enough for the people to realize what direction the "Powers that Be" are taking society, and that the people peacefully revolt and for the first time in human history take complete control over our destiny and eliminate resistance to progress, before we are sent into another Dark Age. Perhaps it is time for a wikicratic world. Sparky1 (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Terminal shortsightedness
Reading the comments elsewhere, such as the BBC's HYS, you will see a strong opinion that the American car makers have brought this on themselves. For decades they have indoctrinated the US car-buying public with some daft notion that anything less than a 3 litre displacement means you're castrated on purchase. Housewives don't need a Hummer to pick up the kids or go to the store, now the public is starting to wake up to that the producers of these gas-guzzlers are up shit creek. Rightly so. For decades they've been told to make more efficient vehicles, and for just as long they've lobbied for exemptions and then made vehicles that got round efficiency legislation.

In some respects you have to laugh. The Project for a New American Century championed by dimwits like Donald Rumsfeld has been an epic failure. They were riding high when their man got the White House, the military adventures have been disasters, and world opinion of the US is at all all-time low. Jobs? Detroit? Most of the world would rather see 100% employment in The Haig prosecuting these criminals. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Senate or UAW at Fault ?
Even if Detroit were to make exactly the same car as a foriegn auto maker located in the US the wage differential would add $2000 to the cost of the vehicle. Not everything put out by Detroit is an SUV. Many US models are comparable to foriegn models just pricier for no more car! PerryO206.24.48.1 22:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes
Any argument I make will essentially be identical to the following:

http://jim.com/econ/chap14p1.html

Fephisto (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Definately agree this time
All of the above comments hold some very good points. The problem is that these corporations are the same ones that played a major role in the economys current "slum". How much do you pay for a foreign made car versus an american made, and which one will last longer,Get better mileage, and hold its resale value. Its not the big three!! They have been screwing us for years and now we are supposed to hand them millions or even billions of dollars for what! I think if they are to get the money they need to change some things. First american made cars need to be "AMERICAN MADE" again, the thought of giving them that much money so they can take it out of the country won't help anyhow. I recomend they come up with a plan that the whole U.S. can vote on. After all this is the biggest most impacting bail-out we have come upon. This is our chance to stand together and finally be heard and not get SCREWED by the "powers that be" as mentioned earlier.


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Former Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian released on bail

December 13, 2008

Taiwan's former President, Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁), has been conditionally released on bail, some ten hours after he was indicted for corruption. Speaking to media at the Taipei District Court, he said: "I want to thank my lawyers, members of the Democratic Progressive Party and my supporters who have given me huge encouragement. I am grateful to those who cared for, supported and looked after me so I could get through the hardest and loneliest 32 days of my life in prison." He earns the historical distinction of being the first ex-president of the Republic of China to be indicted for criminal offenses and could suffer life imprisonment if convicted.

Along with 13 other family members and close associates, including his wheelchair-bound wife, son Chen Chih-Chung, and daughter-in-law Huang Jui-ching, Chen was indicted Friday on charges of embezzling government funds and laundering money or ill-gotten bribes. The panel of three judges ruled he should appear at future court hearings and must not leave the country nor change his address.

Prosecutor Lin Che-hui accused Chen of having "embezzled 104 million New Taiwan dollars ($3.12 million) from a special presidential fund, and received bribes of $11.73 million in connection with a government land procurement deal and a separate construction project; the damning piece of evidence was the presence of NT$740 million ($22.2 million) in cash stashed in a Taipei bank safety vault held by the Chens." Yuanta Securities director Tu Li-ping said, "she hand delivered NT$200 million ($6 million) in cash to Wu at the presidential residence in 2006 on behalf of executives of an affiliated bank; the money was an incentive for Wu not to interfere with a merger the bank was pursuing."

Chen insists on his innocence. Contradicting the 100-page indictment, he said that "the $21 million his wife wired to their son's Swiss bank accounts came from leftover campaign donations. Taiwanese law permits such donations to be kept by political candidates."

In 1975, Chen married Wu Shu-chen (吳淑珍), the daughter of a physician. The couple has a daughter, Chen Hsing-yu (陳幸妤), who is a dentist; and a son, Chen Chih-Chung (陳致中), who, having received a law degree in Taiwan, studied at and graduated with a M.A. degree from the University of California in 2005.

In November 2006, Chen's wife Wu Shu-chen and three other high ranking officials of the Presidential Office were indicted for corruption, charged with misappropriating NT$14.8 million (USD$450,000) of government funds using falsified documents. Due to the protection from the Constitution against prosecution of the sitting president, Chen could not be prosecuted until he left office, and he was not indicted, but was alleged to be an accomplice on his wife's indictment.

Chen's term as President of the Republic of China ended in May 2008. Immediately thereafter, prosecutors began investigating him regarding allegations that he misused his discretionary "state affairs fund", as well as his connection to the first family's money-laundering activities. He resigned from the Democratic Progressive Party on August 15, 2008, one day after admitting to falsifying past campaign expenses and wiring campaign contributions to overseas accounts.

In November 2008, Chen was escorted by a security staff, into the Taipei prosecutor's office for questioning. After 6 hours, he left the Supreme Court prosecutor`s office in handcuffs, was arrested and detained. The charges each carry a minimum penalty of 5 years imprisonment. Following a 6 day hunger strike while in detention, Chen collapsed and was rushed to Taipei's Far Eastern Memorial Hospital, where he was later transferred to Panchiao Hospital for force-feeding. Despite Chen's lack of interest in appealing, his lawyer Cheng Wen-long completed a motion seeking his release from detention and filed a notice of appeal of the court's decision, along with a petition for constitutional interpretation to restrain actions violative of the Constitution.

Prosecutor General, Chen Tsung-ming said that after Chen’s case had been removed to the Taipei Local Court, he would re-file a petition for Chen's detention. Chen and the main opposition DPP have accused President Ma Ying-jeou's administration of "using the scandals to plan a political plot against the former leader."

Meanwhile, The Straits Times reported that "prosecutors are to investigate former President of the Republic of China and Chairman of the Kuomintang from 1988 to 2000, Lee Teng-hui on suspicion of money laundering, based on allegations made by Chen during his own questioning recently that his predecessor transferred large funds abroad through dummy accounts." Mr. Lee angrily denied the accusations concerning "a suspected transfer of 50 million Taiwan dollars (US$2.26 million) to Mr Lee from a local stock investor via overseas dummy accounts." Charges also included transactions made at the end of Lee's tenure and at the beginning of Chen's term, including "one billion Taiwan dollars that had been wired to various countries including Singapore."

The China Post calls for calm and urges fair trial for Chen. "All the people should wait patiently for the outcome of the trial ... They shouldn't do anything to influence the judges in any way, because the rule of law in Taiwan is at stake. We should show the world that Taiwan is a democracy where anybody who commits a crime, be he a man on the street or a former president, is duly punished." it said.


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I CREATED this Taipei article since this is the first time in its history that a president was jailed and charged. --Florentino Floro (talk) 10:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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One of the quotes has a clear grammatical error; it should be receiving bribes of $11.73 million" rather than "received". In the case that the quote is a translation (and only then, of course) it should be changed. I can't tell the attribution of the quote to check myself.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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White House considering auto rescue plan

December 13, 2008

🇺🇸After a plan to bail out three large American auto companies failed to pass the Senate this week, the White House has said that it is considering using some of the US$700 billion earmarked to rescue the banking industry to bail out the automakers.

The White House says that the collapse of the automakers would be a terrible setback that could destroy the economy. "Under normal economic conditions we would prefer that markets determine the ultimate fate of private firms. However, given the current weakened state of the US economy, we will consider other options if necessary - including use of the TARP [Troubled Assets Relief Program] programme - to prevent a collapse of troubled automakers," said Dana Perino, the White House Press Secretary. "A precipitous collapse of this industry would have a severe impact on our economy, and it would be irresponsible to further weaken and destabilize our economy at this time."

Earlier this week, the "Big Three" automakers - Ford, Chrysler, and General Motors - had pleaded before Congress to be given $14 billion in funds so as to prevent collapse. Although the House approved the measures, the Senate voted the proposition down with a vote of 52-35. Part of the failure of the bill to pass was due to disagreements over labour cuts, which the Republicans insisted reach parity by next year with those of Japanese carmakers.

General Motors stated that the company would stop 30% of its North American production "in response to rapidly deteriorating market conditions".


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Obama announces choice for Secretary of Housing

🇺🇸 December 13, 2008 United States president-elect Barack Obama has announced Shaun Donovan as his choice for the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Donovan is currently New York City's housing commissioner. The announcement was made in Obama's weekly address, in which the president-elect discussed his reasons for selecting Donovan, and discussed the importance of what he announced will be his department.

"To stem the rising tide of foreclosures and strengthen our economy, I’ve asked my economic team to develop a bold plan that will dramatically increase the number of families who can stay in their homes," stated Obama in his address, adding "few will be more essential to this effort than the Department of Housing and Urban Development."

"From providing shelter to those displaced by Katrina to giving help to those facing the loss of a home to revitalizing our cities and communities, HUD’s role has never been more important," continued Obama. "Since its founding, HUD has been dedicated to tearing down barriers in access to affordable housing -- in an effort to make America more equal and more just. Too often, these efforts have had mixed results."

Following the above comments, Obama described why he selected Donovan. "That is why we cannot keep doing things the old Washington way. We cannot keep throwing money at the problem, hoping for a different result. We need to approach the old challenge of affordable housing with new energy, new ideas, and a new, efficient style of leadership. We need to understand that the old ways of looking at our cities just won’t do... No one knows this better than the outstanding public servant I am announcing today as our next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development -- Shaun Donovan."

"As Commissioner of Housing Preservation and Development in New York City, Shaun has led the effort to create the largest housing plan in the nation, helping hundreds of thousands of our citizens buy or rent their homes," continued Obama. "Prior to joining Mayor Bloomberg’s administration, Shaun worked both in business, where he was responsible for affordable housing investments, and at one of our nation’s top universities, where he researched and wrote about housing issues. "

Donovan previously worked as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Multifamily Housing at HUD, and was acting FHA commissioner under the Clinton administration.


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Add categories: - Camps is really too broad for a category (It can mean a whole range of things that varry considerably). I'm hesitant to add Refugee Camps, as at this point in time there really isn't enough articles on Refugee Camps for a category imho (but if that changes, or if theres a whole bunch i'm unaware of, please don't hesitate to mention it to me). Thanks for understanding. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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Category:Camps Category:Refugee camps ❌ Categories don't exist, and are potentially encyclopedic in nature. We generally only add categories if they already categorize stuff. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


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Welcome
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Hi. I did not add the suggested categories to At least 45 killed in new wave of violence in Kenya as the suggested categories did not exist. We generally only add categories that are pre-exisiting or can be proved would have a lot of articles falling under them. Thanks for your understanding. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask me or anyone else. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * p.s. If you want to link to a category, add a : in front  makes a link like category:Foo, as oppossed to placing the page in that category. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: creating new categories

Hi, Bawolff! Thanks for the tip on creating categories properly.

I looked around on Wikinews for some time, hoping to find out how they're organized and find a place to propose new categories. Would one create, for example:
 * camps
 * voluntary camps
 * recreational camps
 * logging camps
 * coercive camps
 * concentration camps
 * Civil War
 * World War II
 * death camps

Elsewhere:
 * wars
 * World War II
 * concentration camps
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Or what?

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Asbestos scare shuts down mail delivery in Christchurch, New Zealand

December 13, 2008

The Christchurch Mail Centre in Christchurch, New Zealand, was evacuated Friday after employees refused to continue working due to exposure to heavy amounts of dust suspected to be asbestos. Tuam 2 Ltd, the company set to convert the 27-year-old Christchurch Mail Centre into a new city council building, has been aware of the presence of asbestos in the building since May 2008. Hawkins Construction contacted the New Zealand Department of Labour, voicing concerns of possible exposure to asbestos material. Testing is currently underway at the facility to determine the nature of the exposure.

The Christchurch Mail Centre is operated by New Zealand Post. According to Christchurch Delivery Business Leader Duncan Burman, approximately 50 post workers operate out of the facility, which services about 35,000 addresses in the central Christchurch region.

According to a paper released in June by the Environment Canterbury on the subject of asbestos removal: "Exposure can occur when materials containing asbestos are sanded, sawn, drilled or handled in maintenance or removal tasks." Exposure to asbestos fibers can lead to the diseases mesothelioma, lung cancer, chest cancer, and asbestosis.

Tony Marryatt, chief executive of the city council, was asked by Councillor Helen Broughton for an explanation of the incident. Councillor Broughton is the only councillor who voted against construction of new city council buildings.

"Councillors made an assumption that the building had been checked by a professional and that's the question I'm going to ask the CEO now. I've asked him for a report on it and I want to see the professional opinion from a building consultant who said that the building was sound and able to be refitted and didn't have any major problems," said Broughton in a statement in The Press.

The owners of the Christchurch Mail Centre informed New Zealand Post that testing performed in November confirmed there was no asbestos "in the area".

Anna Kenny, a spokesperson for the New Zealand trade union Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union said concerns were raised about plumes of dust Friday morning suspected to be asbestos, but that there has been no confirmation of this yet.

According to The Press, Kenny also confirmed that no asbestos was found in a check of the building in November. "Having said that, however, given that the dust is particularly unpleasant and unsafe and of an unknown source, we've asked for further air quality checks to be done before people go back in to that environment and we also want the hazard eliminated," stated Kenny.


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23 pirates captured by Indian navy in Gulf of Aden
The Indian navy has announced that it has captured 23 Somali and Yemeni pirates in the Gulf of Aden who were attacking an Ethiopian ship named the MV Gibe. The Indian INS Mysore, which was escorting merchant ships near the coast of Somalia, hurried to the MV Gibe after it sent out a distress call, saying that they were being fired upon by two boats.

The pirates, when apprehended, attempted to flee, but were caught by the Indian ship. Arms and equipment were seized from the pirates.

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Gunman in Mumbai attacks confesses
Ajmal Kasab, the gunman who was captured in last month's Mumbai attacks that killed hundreds of people, has told the police that he originally planned to take hostages and make demands from the media, according to his confession statement.

The seven-page confession states that Kasab and another person, who attacked Mumbai's main train station, were planning to have a standoff atop a roof, but the plan backfired when no access to a roof was found.

They did manage to kill tens of people inside the train station itself, however, it is still not known whether or not they had hostages.

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Fire burns Alaska Governor Palin's church
A recent fire has hit former Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin's church in Wasilla, Alaska. Investigators have deemed the fire "suspicious," and consider arson as a possible cause.

A group of women and children were in the church when the fire broke out, but no one was injured.

"We have no idea what caused it," said the Rev. Larry Kroon of the nondenominational Wasilla Bible Church.

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Rallies held across Australia to protest against Internet filtering
Protest rallies were held in Australian capital cities on Saturday to protest against the Rudd government's proposed internet filtering scheme. Under the scheme, a so-called "clean feed" would be provided to all Australians with content on a list kept by the Australian Communications and Media Authority blocked. A secondary filter, which may be opted out of will block material deemed inappropriate to children.

Hundreds attended the protests in Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Melbourne, Canberra, Perth and Hobart which were organised by the Digital Liberty Coalition.

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Cabinet member breaks ranks over Heathrow expansion
UK Environment Secretary Hilary Benn prompted speculation regarding a possible cabinet split over plans to expand London’s Heathrow airport with comments made in an interview given to the Sunday Times.

Mr Benn warned concerns regarding noise and air-pollution could stall plans to build a third runway and expressed doubts regarding suggestions that a technological solution could be found to the problems.

Heathrow is currently in breach of EU rules governing air pollution, although the UK currently has an opt-out from the rules, this runs out in 2015.

Other senior cabinet members, including Commons Leader Harriet Harman and Energy and Climate Change Secretary Ed Milliband, are also believed to have serious reservations about the expansion of Heathrow.

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Russian Ksenia Sukhinova crowned Miss World 2008

December 14, 2008

of Russia, won the crown on Saturday, outshining 108 other international competitors. She was crowned by her predecessor, of the People's Republic of China. She pledged to "help people" and said, "I think I can help people and I want to help people and today if I walk away with this crown I will do that."

Sukhinova, 5' 10", said that her immediate ambitions included meeting Dmitry Medvedev. She is a student of, she is enrolled in the Bachelor of Science program, majoring in Engineering.

Sukhinova was born in 1987 in, in the north west of Siberia. Sukhinova won the 2007 Miss Russia beauty contest on December 14, in Moscow, where she represented Tyumen. Ksenia surpassed 50 other contestants from all over Russia. She was unable to represent Russia at due to her college work, so her 2nd runner-up,, replaced her in the contest. Vera placed as the 3rd runner-up to Venezuela's.

Miss World 2008, the 58th Miss World was held at Sandton Convention Centre in Johannesburg, South Africa on December 13, 2008. Originally, the pageant was going to take place in Kiev, Ukraine, but because of the ongoing in neighboring South Ossetia, the  decided to move the pageant away from Eastern Europe. 109 contestants from all over the world competed for the crown, marking the biggest turnout in the 58 years of the pageant, surpassing the previous record of 107 during Miss World 2004. She is the second Russian contestant to win Miss World, the first was in.

The first runner-up was India's, while the second runner-up was Trinidad and Tobago's. The other finalists were Angola's and South Africa's. There were 15 semi-finalists.

, Miss World committee head, and wife of Miss World creator said that the winner has to espouse "beauty with a purpose" with charity via fund raising, being one of the main focuses of the contest. "Over the years the crown that is worn by the winner is a symbol for fundraising. Miss World herself, this year, the winner from China, she's raised over 30 million dollars in her year in office. So perhaps from anything else it does a lot of good things for needy children and old people, which I think is important too." she said.

It was the sixth time that South Africa hosted the pageant, more than any other country except England. The event was aired live to millions of viewers in 187 countries, who, for the first time in the pageant's history, were allowed to vote for one of the semi-finalists through the Internet. An international jury elected the winner.


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Fire burns Alaska Governor Palin's church
A recent fire has hit former Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin's church in Wasilla, Alaska. Investigators have deemed the fire "suspicious," and consider arson as a possible cause.

A group of women and children were in the church when the fire broke out, but no one was injured.

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The identity of the man is known: Samir Ograzden.

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These positive rights - the right to food, education, health, pensions, etc. - amount to the right to have a state that matches a basic architecture set out by the UN: for example, the right to free schools for children under a certain arbitrary age. This only differs in the details from the right to any other arbitrary piece of state paraphernalia, such as the right to a state owned electricity grid, a state owned broadcasting company, or the right to be protected by secret police. Positive rights are a way to entrench the state and have nothing to do with liberty or fairness. —194.72.9.25 14:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nicely written. Fephisto (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

 * "Liberty" and "fairness" seem to be the opposite of "state" and "government" only in the USA. Perhaps you guys should fix your government rather than complaining how screwed it is all the time. 81.5.64.43 10:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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How many people are interfering in Somalia as of right now? I think the following list is correct, but someone correct me if I'm wrong:

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-Ethiopia

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If that's correct, it's no wonder they're having such a hard time. Fephisto (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


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Climber dies on Mount Cook

December 14, 2008 Mark Vinar, an Australian climber from Perth, has been presumed dead after falling over half a kilometre from New Zealand's highest peak, Aoraki/Mount Cook. He is said to have lost his footing whilst descending the Zurbriggen Ridge.

His brother, Miles Vinar, was rescued by an alpine rescue team after being stranded for two days on a ridge on the mountain and airlifted by helicopter to Plateau Hut in Aoraki/Mount Cook National Park on early morning Saturday. Guides at Plateau Hut became concerned for the two brothers on Friday, when the latter did not return as was scheduled.

Police reports say that the two brothers were descending the ridge, with Miles Vinar going first: "Miles had to climb down using an ice pick and crampons. He instructed Mark about it, but for some reason Mark lost his footing and fell backwards and started rolling. He went behind some rocks, then appeared again rolling down the hill. He went down about 500 metres and then disappeared," said Omarama police constable Les Andrew, adding that Miles was certain that it was poor that he was obliged to take cover in the snow and wait for rescue.

"There is no sign of the missing climber and it is presumed he has either fallen into a crevasse and become buried, or has been buried under snow and ice debris," stated the New Zealand Department of Conservation, adding that there had been thirty centimetres of fresh snow.

Mark Vinar is the seventieth person to die on Mt Cook in a century, as well as the ninth to die on Zurbriggen Ridge. This is the second death on the mountain in only eight days: Kiyoshi Ikenouchi, a Japanese climber, died after being stranded on Mt Cook for a week, just hours before help arrived.

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Iraqi journalist throws shoes at US president George Bush

December 14, 2008 An Iraqi journalist for an Egyptian Newspaper named Muntazer al-Zaidi was tackled by authorities after he threw his shoes at United States president George W. Bush during a press conference on Sunday in Baghdad. Bush had made a surprise last visit to Iraq to sign a new security pact brokered by Iraq and the U.S.

Before throwing his shoes at Bush, the reporter, Muntader al-Zaidi of Al-Baghdadia, a local television station, stood up and said, "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, dog!" The words were followed by the reporter's two shoes being thrown at Bush, who had to duck in order to avoid being hit with them. Shortly after each shoe flew within a few inches of Bush, authorities quickly neutralized the reporter and took him out of the room.

In Arabic culture, hitting or throwing shoes at someone so the soles hit them is considered a great insult. In 2003, when Iraqi citizens tore down the statue of Saddam Hussein in downtown Baghdad, they began to smack it with the soles of their shoes.

Despite the incident, the press conference continued with some reporters apologizing for the man's actions. It even appeared that Bush was smiling, as the shoes flew past his head.

"Thanks for apologizing on behalf of the Iraqi people. It doesn't bother me. If you want the facts, it was a size 10 shoe that he threw," said Bush in regards to the incident who also said that he didn't feel threatened.


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lame
The headline is a joke, while I find this story hilarious it really needs a new title.
 * Have a sense of humor. Seriously. He laughed and dealt with it. I guess God has spoken. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Damn! I liked the original title :) Wikidsoup (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Smiling

 * "Despite the incident, the press conference continued with some reporters apologizing for the man's actions. It even appeared that Bush was smiling, as the shoes flew past his head."

Obviously written by somebody with limited knowledge of facial expressions when the brain perceives a threat to the face. 204.116.19.240 05:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I am wrong...but if you are about to be hit by a bus, would you be smiling/laughing? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is a bus a shoe? Hell, I'd laugh if someone was trying to hit me with some shoes. 99.14.234.204 01:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

For semantics' sake
Perhaps this article should be renamed "Iraqi journalist throws shoes at US president George W. Bush" to remove the possible ambiguity. -- Poe Joe (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Dictatorial editing = my first contribution ever to this site will also probably be my last
I've just added some facts that - as a professional journalist - I know are germane to the story, only to have them removed by an overzealous 'editor' (or whatever you are). (An egomaniac, perhaps?). Before you go REMOVING INFORMATION, why don't you check some of the EXISTING facts. For example, the fact that the man was not 'tackled' by 'authorities' (whoever they are), but pulled down by a fellow journalist (as confirmed by two newspapers including the Daily Mail). Neither is your Bush 'size 10' quote correct. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO CHECK THESE THINGS IS *WATCH THE VIDEO*. But you're too busy removing information. If this kind of approach to this venture continues, I can't see it succeeding. If there was a complaint procedure, I might have taken it. As it is, I see that amateur despots are in control of this thing and I probably won't waste my time trying to contribute again. I CAN SEE why this thing is nowhere near as popular as wikipedia.

- zenji (former full-time journalist, major metropolitan daily newspaper)
 * So as a writer for a newspaper, did you go back in time to update a story 2 or 3 days old in a newspaper, like you would this story? Hhhmmm... DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

FIRST RULE OF JOURNALISM PEOPLE
Anonymous said: "Excuse me? the sources (BBC and AFP) clearly verify the facts" I can only laugh...! You just believe the media without checking the facts yourself, even when you have the opportunity to do so? WATCH THE VIDEOS! You will HEAR with your OWN EARS that my quote of Bush is EXACTLY what he ACTUALLY said. You SEE with your own eyes that he was PULLED DOWN (not tackled) by a JOURNALIST behind him - and the fact it was a journalist was confirmed by the Daily Mail and another US paper (the Miami Herald from memory). FIRST RULE OF JOURNALISM: check your facts - YOURSELF if you can.

So far I've found other contributors here pretty arrogant, without good cause. It's all a bit of a ZZZZ frankly!

 * Please read my message to your talk page, I have explained why your edits were reverted. Anonymous101talk 18:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Updates?
Where are the latest developments for this story? The story has moved on quite a bit, with protests on the streets of Iraq, thousands of comments from around the world (even a throw-your-shoes-at-Bush game), an offer by one man to buy the shoes for millions of dollars, and the man being charged - among other things. See this article for some of these developments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntadhar_al_Zaidi

Where are these updates? News is suppposed to be UP TO DATE. That is one of its main characteristics: it's supposed to be NEWs.

Is Wikinews 'the free news source' or the news-free source? :-)

"Neutralized"?
What does "neutralized" mean in the context of a person? I understand what it means in the context of, for instance, an acid base reaction, but I do not understand what the term is doing in this article. Thanks Zazpot (talk) 00:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose neutralize should be taken as Wiktionary says: To make inactive or ineffective. --SVTCobra 00:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


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Very nice.

Man this guy is my hero!

lol i love how bias wikinews got in the last few months. Almost worse then MSNBC. And I'm not even going to debate on why this is news worthy?
 * Why not? Bias where? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * MSNBC fired Phil Donahue for opposing the Iraq war that is a bias, not in the way you are thinking however. Wikinews has a chance to do what other networks refuse to, report the news. Soapy (talk) 02:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Bias on a story that has pretty much been reported everywhere else including the mainstream media? I think some people here fail to comprehend the meaning of bias. --TUFKAAP (talk) 03:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Could someone provide a video link? PRETTY PLEASE?!
 * BBC video DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

haha

He walked on Bush like Bush walked on them.

lol ahahah hillarious

activity done by reporverted is appreciated

 * Yes, very funny. The President was not harmed, and the guy is probably being tortured as we speak. Not without just cause, of course, but still. Not funny. 204.116.19.240 05:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

bush is a ninja

Almost knocked some sense into him
If only... that would have been the greatest christmas present ever.

Bush Dog!
Gr8 Work

he deserve it
that is what a criminal like Bush deserve... he admitted having entering the IRaq under false info. false info...we thought that Saddam could destroy teh US. But it was only a lie to kill thousands of innocent Iraquis.. never forgetting Abou Greyb and Gwantanamo.

We all support Zaydi

That was the smartest thing he said the whole presidency. Seriously.

iraqi is a retard
if i was the pres. ill killem

to bad he missed

"If you want the facts, it was a size ten."

Once again, Bush oversimplifies things. In this case, the gravest insult of Iraqi and Islamic culture to mere shoes. It's the meaning behind the shoes, you dunce! What would your "one-fingered victory salute" be without a meaning behind it?

You are a stain on our country's history. Good riddance.

 * Nah. I'd say you're a stain on the world. The Iraqi is HERO unlike your pussy "army heroes".

Not a newspaper
He doesn't work for an Egyptian newspaper! He works for a Cairo-based Iraqi television channel called "El-Baghdadia".

Cheers!

Aua (talk) 10:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Bush's Shoes
Were these the missing "weapons of mass destruction"?

Why this article is not in the Wikipedia home page?
I'd like to know why did you guys (Wikipedia) did not put this article in the main page. This was without a doubt the biggest event of the year 2009. And the Wikipedia home page doesn't have the slightest note about this incident. Why?

That's good Al Zaidi
Thank you Al Zaidi. You're hero for your country. And also, the other country especially middle east and Indonesia. Thank you very much Al Zaidi. You made it. I can't do what you did. Even I want it. You do what all Iraqi must do. You gave him nice prize for everything he ever did. Thank you again. Even I'm a catholic, I don't care your religion. What I care is what you ever did to him, an American dog according what you say. He is Godless man who fight in the name of God. He is hypocrite. God never teaches his follower to kill someone. Thank you very much. What I can do is pray to the God. Hoping you're healthier than ever. So you can do more for your country, maybe to the world. I will always support you. Thank you so much Al Zaidi. You're my hero.

What if...
What will happen if that number 10 shoes hit his face? That shoes same with step on dog poo. What will happen if that number 10 shoes hit his face? The answer is "Happy Christmas, Bush the Dog". What will happen if it doesn't shoes but a hammer?

Only God know what will happen.

Yes ofcourse to do the insult of someone is against the humanity feelings and rights but what should people say if i comment it like that "its better to throw a shoe than to throw a bomb and kill the innocent ones!!" Noman Alam Pakistan

Throwing a shoe at the president?
I hear that throwing a shoe at someone is an act of complete disrespect. What was the point of throwing it though, I mean it wouldn't do much to throw a shoe at the president? Azamiz

LOL!
Personally, I think it would have been funny to see the lame get hit with a shoe. He was about the dumbest president the united states has ever seen.

I PAYS BEST REGARDS TO THE MUNTAZAR AL ZAIDI (SALAAAAAAAAM HO AP KO)
I, really very happy to see the man who is the ZAIDI the blood of the Imam e ALI have a lot of courage to throw a shoe to the YAZEED of times. It is all of the devotion of the relation with the Holy PBUH and the IMAM and the son of IMAM ZAID BIN ALI (Elehe salam)


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Rudd heckled over 5% climate target

December 17, 2008

Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was interrupted on Monday at the National Press Club while announcing Australia's mid-term carbon emissions reduction target on live television.

Three Newcastle women screamed out "No!" and moved towards Rudd as he announced that Australia would reduce emissions by as little as 5%, and not more than 15%, by 2020.

One of the women, Annika Dean from Newcastle, said that the announcement was devastating and cowardly.

"This announcement means the Australian Government is willing to sacrifice the Great Barrier Reef to appease the big polluting companies that are fuelling global climate change."

The women were removed from the gallery and interviewed by Australian Federal Police.

The announcement was made in front of the nation's senior journalists, members of the senior cabinet including Climate Change Minister Penny Wong and Treasurer Wayne Swan, as well as Greens senators Bob Brown and Christine Milne.

Australia's climate negotiators, who were appointed by the former Howard government, were heavily criticised by South Africa and China at last week's UNFCCC negotiations in Poznan for having blocked a 25-40% by 2020 target, along with Canada, Japan and Saudi Arabia.

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