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Talk:Virginia dangerous dog law bill ready for Assembly debate

Why not just euthanize all dogs fitting this definition of "dangerous", i.e. those who have attacked someone in the past?
 * Interesting point, and one that I haven't heard a peep about. In the case of the Sullivan attack, the responding police officers shot two of the dogs and the third was later euthanized. -Edbrown05 04:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd imagine thats usually the best way for cops to contain such a situation, what with risk of diseases effecting the dog's mind & such. I'm fairly sure judges can order the destruction of the animal, but it may be that they just don't do it often enough, such as when one dog kills another.

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Australian Senate agrees ban on tertiary-sector mandatory student unions

December 9, 2005

The voluntary student unionism bills that have been proposed earlier in the year by the Australian government in the Australian House of Representatives has been passed by the Australian Senate December 9, without amendment, after an unexpected urgency motion that afternoon. The voluntary student unionism bills aim to stop the compulsory joining of university students into the student union and the consequential abolition of payment of the union fees, which sometimes go to certain amenities and services provided to university students. Many students, associations, and vice-chancellors of universities are opposed to the legislation, with rallies and days of action taking place earlier this year. In the process, Senator Steve Fielding of the Family First Party held the key vote who expressed his late decision to support the passage of the VSU legislation. The VSU legislation was earlier anticipated to be debated at the next session -- that is, next year -- but appeared on the notice paper today in case the Senate had time to discuss the bill, however, at approximately 1.40pm an urgency motion was moved on a number of bills, including the voluntary student unionism (VSU) legislation which entered the Senate yesterday. The urgency motion allots time on the second reading to extend to 4.30pm and remaining stages of the bill to 5.00pm. The Senate was to adjourn at 3.30pm, but this was extended to approximately 5.15-5.30pm.

Controversy
The guillotine was controversial and criticised by non-Government senators, who drew on the perceived three and a half hour "filibuster" from Government members over non-controversial bills earlier today, where all parties were in agreement, and over perceived trivial bills such as a bill on the European Bank in Mongolia. Earlier Senator Penny Wong of the Australian Labor Party suggested that back-room dealings were taking place to get key Australian National Party senator Barnaby Joyce on-side. Senator Joyce had expressed concerns over the VSU bills contrary to the Nationals' support on the bill, and had proposed to amend the bill. The other key senator Steve Fielding has expressed that he has said that an amenities fee is appropriate if set "at the right level". Senator Hill has "made no apology" about putting forward the Government program, and said that he would "do his best to implement the Government program".

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A division on the urgency motion followed, which was passed from Government Senate majority.

In the second reading, Senator Wong had said that the Government had treated the Senate chamber like "an extension of their own party room", and that the Government were "drunk on power". She went on to speculate whether the Nationals had "rolled over" in regards to Senator Joyce, or whether the Australian Liberal Party (the other counterpart in the Liberal/National Government coalition) had done a deal with Senator Fielding, and drew attention to the potential effects of abolishing the fees. Senator Natasha Stott-Despoja from the Australian Democrats has expressed her opposition to the bill and the policy, terming the day "Freaky Friday" and went on to say "Democracy, in this place, is dead" due to the earlier events of the day, as non-Government senators did not know about possible deals that were made or the details of the amendment.

Government
Senator Ron Boswell, leader of the Nationals, expressed his support of the abolition of the fees, and the procurement of a package of funding of 80 million dollars towards funding academic and non-union related services, which he said satisfied the National's policy stance on the issue, and warned implicitly against crossing the floor. Family First Senator Fielding has said that the argument can "run both ways" in his speech, and said he had a "great deal of trouble" making up his mind on the issue, but said that Family First will be voting for the bill. Senator Kerry Nettle, the next speaker, was incensed at this, and termed Senator Fielding "Senator Sellout" but was asked to withdraw that remark. She went on to state amongst her remarks that Fielding has "sold out" students.

Joyce
Senator Joyce, the final speaker, has expressed his opposition to compulsory unionism, and has said he will put his amendment to abolish compulsory unionism but described his amendment which will ensure alternative funding for services (but not described whether it will be compulsory fees) at parity with funding received today. Some senators who wished to speak but could not due to time constraints had their speeches incorporated into Hansard by leave.

Committee
In committee, Senator Eric Abetz has stated the Government will be opposing the amendments proposed by Senator Wong, stating it "erodes the principle" of the legislation, saying it is "taxation without representation". Senator Wong responded by saying that Abetz "didn't have the bottle" to speak to the amendments, and noted the lack of details in the funding package proposed by Senator Boswell. Senator Bob Brown of the Australian Greens drew attention to Senator Fielding's stance, calling him a "failure" in regards to his Victorian state, criticising his position on the bill and his absence from the chamber, and praised Senator Joyce's commitment to his earlier word. Senator Stott-Despoja stated her support for the ALP amendments, but these failed due to Government numbers.

Senator Joyce's amendments were then put (as the time cutoff passed) which led to a division, and in the division he crossed the floor on the amendments, which the Opposition supported. Senator Joyce's amendments however were defeated 29 to 31 -- Fielding's choice was key in this vote. Senator Joyce however voted with the Government to have the bills stand as printed.

Votes
On the third reading, which support signifies final passage of the bill, the vote was 29 to 27, so the legislation did pass. Joyce crossed the floor again on this stage. The bill must re-enter the House of Representatives again for concurrence, which had already risen the day earlier, and sits again February 2006, next year.


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Bloody hell, that came out of the blue. What is your source? Hansards? ABC Online isn't even reporting this yet..... - Borofkin 06:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I see the source now. - Borofkin 07:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Brilliant article - still not being reported by mainstream press
Dysprosia, I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again - your work covering parliament is brilliant. I can't find a single other news agency that is reporting this yet, they are all still reporting that the bill will be held over until next year. We're first, and I'll bet that no other agency covers the passing of the bill in such depth. Well done! - Borofkin 07:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * We reported this morning on Perth Indymedia, that the bill would be rammed thru. Yes I agree great work from Dysprosia! --elliot_k 07:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm impressed, Elliot... no-one else seemed to think it was a possibility. - Borofkin 22:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I liked the old title, but whatever. Thanks for the kudos :) It was a big surprise hearing this, even the ABC NewsRadio people weren't thinking it would even get discussed today, it sure surprised me. I also made sure we'd be one of the first on this as well. Glad it paid off! Dysprosia 03:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

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Iranian president says move Israel to Europe

December 9, 2005 In October, the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, called Israel a "disgraceful blot" to be "wiped off the map." Ahmadinejad further remarked Thursday at a summit of Muslim nations in Islam's holy city of Mecca that the Jewish state should be moved to Europe and questioned whether the Holocaust actually took place.

In an interview with Iran's Arabic channel 'Al-Alam', Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for the massacre of Jews during World War II, they should host a state of Israel on their own soil. Speaking at a news conference on the summit sidelines, Ahmadinejad said most Jews in Israel "have no roots in Palestine, but they are holding the destiny of Palestine in their hands and allow themselves to kill the Palestinian people." The summit condemned terrorism and extremism, stressing the themes of moderation and tolerance.

"Some European countries insist on saying that during World War II, Hitler burned millions of Jews and put them in concentration camps," Ahmadinejad said. "Any historian, commentator or scientist who doubts that is taken to prison or gets condemned. Although we don't accept this claim [of the holocaust], if we suppose it is true... If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Rabbi David Saperstein, head of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, called the comments a "repugnant distortion of history."

United Nations (UN) Secretary-General Kofi Annan urged all UN States to combat Holocaust denial, and to "educate their populations about the well established historical facts of the Holocaust, in which one third of the Jewish people were murdered, along with countless members of other minorities."

Tension between Israel and Iran began before the 1979 Islamic Revolution when the Israelis joined the United States in siding with the Shah before he was deposed. Recent tensions between Iran and Israel over the nuclear activities in Tehran and Israel's many existing nuclear bombs and missile delivery systems have increased as a result of Ahmadinejad's comment.

"Just to remind Mr. Ahmadinejad, we've been here long before his ancestors. Therefore, we have a birthright to be here in the land of our forefathers and to live here. Thank God we have the capability to deter and to prevent such a statement from becoming a reality," said Ra'anan Gissin, Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's adviser.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said the statement should be a wake up call to all of us around the world.

"We should do everything we can in order to stop him, and to stop the Iranian effort to develop a nuclear bomb," said Shalom.

"[Ahmadinejad's comment] further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran," said White House press secretary Scott McClellan. "It's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."

Reactions from Iranians
The Iranian blogger Babak Seradjeh reacted to Ahmadinejad's comments by stating, "I wondered why Mr. Ahmanedinejad doesn't provide the Palestinians with a piece of Iran. ... Such evil remarks in blatant [sic] disregard of documented history is nothing new of course coming from the kind of people that Mr. Ahmadinejad represents. Denying the Holocaust, calling to wipe a country off the map, or to move it, are all the stuff of my generation's childhood, in school, on the radio and on TV, in the bold and thick slogans on the walls, the streamlined propaganda that aimed to penetrate all the space it could find in our brains."

Another Iranian blogger, Shahram Kholdi, had responded to Ahmadinejad's earlier comments about "wiping Israel off the map of the earth" by saying that Ahmadinejad was calling for ethnic-cleansing. In response to the new statements, Kholdi has pointed out that "His Excellency President Dr. Ahmadinejad's" new comments "clarify" Ahmadinejad's point of view beyond any doubt. Kholdi's response included the direct statement: "First, Mr. President, if you do not know history please Shut up!"


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Confidence building reported between Iranian and Israeli citizens

December 10, 2005

In contrast with the increasing tensions between Iran and Israel due to remarks made by the president of Iran, the Israeli newspaper, The Jerusalem Post, and the Iranian blogger known by the pseudonym Brooding Persian have reported that confidence building measures spontaneously occurred between Israelis and Iranians during the recent World Summit on the Information Society in Tunisia.

The Iranian blogger ironically commented the lack of mainstream media attention to the article, stating that "No one was cursed, clubbed, lynched, mobbed, chased, bombed, and I guess that accounts for lack of much interest anywhere in a recently reported contact between delegations from Israel and Iran in Tunis".

The Jerusalem Post noted that "Normally the two enemy states are separated by over 1,500 kilometers, loads of vitriol and, recently, threats and counter-threats in Persian and Hebrew. ... But in the football-field-sized space, where 18,000 participants at the UN summit milled between hundreds of exhibition booths, barely 12 short steps separated the delegations of Iran and Israel. Members of both delegations could not stem their curiosity about the other and visits began one by one."

The Iranian engineer Saeed Kharazi Zadeh told the Jerusalem Post reporter, "Iranian people's feelings toward Israelis are not as bad as you think" and continued later, "I don't want to explain the actions of my government. I want to explain the feelings of the Iranian people. It's not as you think. I want to say that Iranian people feel something good about [Israelis]. Not like they are the enemy."

The Israeli Ushi Kraush was quoted as saying, "I stood at the entrance to their booth, and told them I'm Israeli and asked them if it's ok for me to enter. I was really in shock, they were so friendly and open. You know, I thought they wouldn't allow themselves to speak to us," and later continued, "I met an ayatollah guy who was dressed in the same hat and clothes like Khomeini. We chatted and it turns out we studied the same topic: The philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein. He translated him to Persian."


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Talk:Iranian president says move Israel to Europe

I for one fully support the moving of all the buildings of the old city of Jerusalem, and any other contensted holy sights, to Montana, Nevada, or Utah. :)

Why not move all the Islamists in Europe to Iran first? BTW, Chompsky once half-seriously suggested moving all the Palistinians to America, which is a much more reasonable course of action really.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true ..." - as far as I see, he wasn't really saying that the holocaust didn't happended, he was claiming that the possibility of that cannot be investigated without becoming a taboo. Granted I doubt too about the seriousness of the people that claim the holocaust never happened, but saying he denied the holocaust - as the first paragraph of the article says, seems to me a little biased. Anyway, since this is a dangerous topic, I'm waiting for other people to give their opinions. algumacoisaqq

Thats a pretty clear case of denying the Holocaust to me. --Deprifry|+T+ 18:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "We don't accepted this claim" -> claim = the Holocaust
 * "If we suppose it is true" -> It (the Holocaust) is false

Yeah, your right. I understand it wrong. Just read the news in portuguese, then there were no doubts left for me. algumacoisaqq

It's clearly holocaust denial. Boud 15:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Can we make this lead? Our current one is getting stale.

I get a feeling that this article, as well as most western media for that matter, gives a rather simplistic image of the matter. Not being an Arab or muslim, I however realize that it is a common sentiment among the Islamists that the Palestinians, and muslims in general, are bearing the consequences of Europeans' crime against the Jews. True, Palestine may be the ancestral homeland of the jews, but that, in modern political theories, hardly constitute a claim over its ownership a thousand years later. Furthermore, this article blurs the line between Holocaust denial, anti-semetism and anti-zionism. As far as I can tell, Ahmadinejad is clearly anti-zionist but no where do I see him as being anti-semite; he seems much more antipathic toward the western powers who supported the establishment of Israel than to Jews in general. Similarly, neither can holocaust denial be equated to anti-semitism, despite what many insist to be the case. 82.123.3.102 13:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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I don't care for that being included in the article. -68.232.153.54 04:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Its a section for the "Iranian reaction" to the comments, which seems completely reasonable. It just so happens that people have only boothered to post one Iranian reaction.

 * If anyone can find other reactions by ordinary Iranians, please add them. Let's not paint a black-and-white picture of "all Iranians are anti-semites" just because they elected a fascist for president. Iran is not the only democracy in this situation... Boud 15:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoever thinks a whole country can be generalised as anything is already beyond our help. These blog comments seem too much like random spam from some fame-seeking arm-chair commentators. Let us not go there.62.189.34.9 16:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * A whole country cannot be generalised by the statement of any one individual. So then the question is: whose comments can be validly quoted? GWBush's comments are mostly not his own, most are generally considered to be designed by Karl Rove (e.g. for (i=0;i<<1000;i++) {printf("terrorist\n");};) The political leaders of most European countries that supported the attack on Iraq were opposite to what most of their citizens wanted. If we want representative comments, then we should probably ban quotes by politicians. On the other hand, if we want statements which in some sense represent some sort of balance between the most powerful political forces in a country, no matter how authoritarian they are, then we should encourage quotes by politicians. Boud 22:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

MrM tore somebody a new a**hole recently for one of these large sections of quotes, but I really like them. Its true that they are not as easy to keep impartial, but they are something really quite unique to wikinews. Instead of havving our own mindless comments, we go scour the world for the best comments which can actually fit into the article. Its a way for us to have the best of traditional media and the best of "new media" (comments, blogs, etc.). Nyarlathotep 16:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think two quotes from bloggers is probably enough, I'm not in the least surprised that the literate in the country can see beyond the hate-mongering rhetoric, and the main thrust of the article is the questionable statement of a supposedly powerful political figure. Question is, who in the country is likely to hold the same views as him?  this "maze" on the BBC site gives some background on the Iranian government structure, where are the "hard line clerics" mentioned in our article in that power structure? Brian McNeil / talk 16:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * They exist, but they won't be blogging, although there should be interviews, but not in English. Nyarlathotep 17:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * i agree that two quotes from bloggers is probably enough. But i'm not sure that the hardline clerics will not be blogging: see Iranian blogs, although it hasn't been updated much recently. At the wikimania meeting a few months ago, Hossein Derakshan said that the Iranian clerics have known about the internet for a long, long time and they understand it well enough to know that although it allows people to criticise them, it also allows clerics to argue back and try to convince people why their political/religious/social ideas are correct. This is why more than 5 million Iranians have internet access and there are 700,000 Iranian blogs! The clerics may have mediaeval ethical concepts (like gwbush and rumsfeld), but they encouraged the use of internet technology. Boud 22:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Objectification
I have attempted to revise the article for more objectivity. Inclusion on basis of supposed “best” status of the quotes from “blog” writers is not verifiable. This article reports on a statement and official responses to the statement by the UN and varied sovereign nations while the quotes depict nothing but particular opposition interpretations to the statements. These individuals are not subject to any impetus for accurate reporting or more than opinion mongering. It is not NPOV for the news article to degenerate into an editorial piece, the statements by individuals without any political significance are irrelevant. I have removed the quotes on that basis. Opalus 22:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

GWBush and Blair and Ahmadinejad are also not subject to any impetus for accurate reporting or more than opinion mongering. There is now a large consensus that GWBush made many outright lies regarding WMD in Iraq.

The Iranian bloggers do have political significance as a group: 700,000 bloggers in a conservative, theocratic democracy is a politically significant population.

If you want to remove the bloggers' quotes, then you should find quotes by people of political significance inside Iran who criticise Ahmadinejad's anti-semitism. Boud 17:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Why so? It is not an encyclopedia's duty to provide excuses for any blameworthy behavior of a country's leaders. That is assuming that there is a universal view that everyone visiting the site shares. It's ok to add some links to the bottom of the page, or mentioning the blog community in a single sentence. Now, to think that the opinion of two bloggers mean ANYTHING in a context of international politics, by dedicating a section to it... Really, have a reality check, please.

NPOV? - weapons of mass destruction
Is it NPOV to have a link in the article to Israel and weapons of mass destruction? As far as I'm concerned, if any of the issues on that page are relevant to this article at least one example should be cited and that link relegated to a references section. The quotes from Iranian bloggers balanced the story in one way, I think this topples it in another direction altogether. Brian McNeil / talk 23:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * If there is any mention of the Iranian nuclear program (which itself is ambiguous between civilian nuclear and military nuclear, which according to the NPT are separate issues), then there must be mention of the Israel existing nuclear bombs and delivery systems. We have an NPOV article on this in the wikipedia - i just reworded the summary, since i'm not totally sure about the GFDL/CC-BY copyright transfer. Boud 17:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed sentence and link as I agree now looking at the article that the result of my objectification at its former stage might give greater weight to the Israeli program jilt. I have located a particular article from which we may be able to derive a brief summary of the situation between Iran and Israel regarding nuclear weapons, http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/menukes.cfm, particularly the section under heading "Nuclear Weapons in the Middle East". What would be appropriate, perhaps a summary of Israeli justification for the weapons, a summary of Iranian justification for also having developmental programs capable of producing nuclear weapons, and summary of the general Arab/Israeli conflict? At minimum, a primary focus on the last to describe the situation framing the incident the article focuses on and a brief description of the role of nuclear weapons in that conflict should be included as the quotes from Israeli and US officials focus on that aspect particularly. Opalus 00:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * There's also the wikipedia article: Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction, in case you didn't notice... Boud 17:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

accuracy in quoting
If you don't want us to show that certain newspapers are sloppier than others (in this case it looks like the USA Today rephrased ahmadinejad's words but put them in quotes anyway), then please at least have the courtesy to either find the original source yourself or else take the quotes which are more credible. Reuters+Rediff is IMHO more credible than USA Today. The ex-editor of USA Today cannot even understand what "edit this page" means and clearly failed to understand the concept of error correction. (see John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy) Boud 17:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. There are blatant misquotations, at least according to wikipedia: Translation of phrase "wiped off the map" and Iran 1989-Present (from "October 2005"). Xarvh 20:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


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South Carolina says final goodbyes to former Governor Campbell

December 9, 2005

Former Republican governor Carroll Campbell will lie in state today on the second floor of the Statehouse in Columbia, SC. He suffered from a fatal heart attack on Wednesday. He was 65. He was a native of Greenville. There will be a funeral at Trinity Episcopal Church in Columbia at 10:30 a.m. local time on Saturday, and there will be an additional funeral service and burial at All Saints Episcopal Church in Pawleys Island.


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Wikinews:Briefs/Business/December 10, 2005

December 10, 2005

These are short blurbs about current events in the business world.

Alltel to spin off wireless unit
Alltel intends to spin off its local-telephone unit and merge it with Valor Communications Group. The deal, worth $4.9 billion, will create a local-telephone company with a rural focus and 3.4 million access lines in 16 states. The deal forecasts $40 million in cost savings annually. The deal still requires shareholder and regulator approval and if approved will close by mid-2006. This leaves Alltel to concentrate on it's wireless services. Alltel said it plans a $3 billion share buyback program after it completes the spinoff in mid-2006. Alltel stock is up 10.3 percent this year.

Internet portal Yahoo! acquires del.icio.us
On Friday, Yahoo!, a website listed by Alexa to receive the most traffic, bought out del.icio.us, a website used for sharing favorite web pages. Yahoo claims that this acquisition does not have a major financial impact on them, and that del.icio.us will still run as an independent website. del.icio.us currently has over 300,000 members since the website's creation two years ago.

Coke plans to sell Coffee under the Godiva brand
In the North American market, Coca-Cola plans to launch a line of ready-to-drink coffee in the second half of 2006, according to the industry magazine Beverage Digest. The drinks will be offered under the Godiva brand name which already sells coffee in several flavors. The spokesmen for both companies would not confirm or deny the report. Mary Minnick, Coke's marketing chief, has earlier said that Coke intends to launch "indulgence coffees" in the North American market.

In the European market Coke intends to offer Coffee, named Coca-Cola Blak, in France next month. "We believe we have created a new category of soft drink an adult product in a carbonated beverage, and a whole new drinking experience. This brand is ideal for any part of the day when people are looking for renewed energy or simply to take a break," said Coke's VP of global core brands Marc Mathieu.

Coke has attempted to enter the coffee market before. A few years ago Coke acquired the brand Planet Java forming a joint venture with Nestle. The drink never caught on and was shelved.


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Australian activists break into Pine Gap spy facility

December 10, 2005

have arrested six people following a breach of security at the secretive in central Australia on Friday.

The members of the group Christians Against All Terrorism (CAAT) breached base security at dawn and two of them infiltrated two perimeter fences and scaled a building, before being arrested. Two of the protesters photographed themselves atop a building inside the spy base.

A Northern Territory police spokeswoman said three men and two women had been charged over the incident while another woman would be summoned to appear in court next week over obstructing police. The spokeswoman said the activists had allegedly cut holes in the external and internal fences at the defence facility. She said the combined charges carried a maximum penalty of seven years jail.

The group claims it was the first break-in of its kind at Pine Gap. The group spoke yesterday of their efforts to conceal a digital camera memory stick in the clothing of key members to avoid the images being confiscated by police.

Four of the protesters are from Queensland, one is from New South Wales, and the other is from Victoria. They say they wanted to conduct a citizens inspection of the controversial Pine Gap facility. "We could not allow the US and Australian governments to continue to conceal the role of Pine Gap in the ongoing war in Iraq," said Sean O'Reilly of the group. "It's time the Australian public knew the reality of what is happening on our land."

Group member Jessica Morrison claims there is a lot of secrecy surrounding the facility. "So for me it was an attempt to come to a place that I think propagates death and start to proclaim truth," she said.

Two of the group were released on bail facing charges, including: unlawfully entering a prohibited area destroying or damaging Commonwealth property; trespassing on Commonwealth land; damaging property under the NT law. A sixth member was arrested for aiding and abetting but was released without charge.

Up to 30 police officers were stationed at a roadblock at the turn-off to Pine Gap at 6:00 a.m. local time and Gap staff were ordered to remain in their cars at the roadblock.

CAAT member Brian Law, said four of the group split into two groups and entered the base in a co-ordinated movement. He said four members walked 10km through thick scrub and entered the base at 4:00 a.m. local time. Mr Law and the fourth member arrested, former Donna Mulhearn, 37, (taken hostage by militants in  in Iraq last year) were released.

Mr O'Reilly said the group conducted a citizens' inspection in protest at Pine Gap's involvement in the ongoing war in Iraq after the group had been refused official entry by Defence Minister Robert Hill. "We could not allow the US and Australian governments to continue to conceal the role of Pine Gap in the ongoing war in Iraq," Mr O'Reilly said.

It was unclear last night whether the group would be charged under the. They were bailed to face the Alice Springs Magistrates Court next Wednesday.


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Does there need to be a LOGO on the front page? Is Wikinews an advertising space for this airline? --elliot_k 05:32, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was the one who found the Southwest logo on their site and added it to the article. However, I'm not an admin so I was not the one who put it on the main page. If you find a picture of a Boeing 737 that we can use (see Fair use) or a better version of the Southwest logo, then by all means, go and change the image. Sawran 06:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Still does not justify using a company logo on the front page. As a contirbutor to Wikinews I find that logo pretty offensive... Not having an image is better than advertising the airline like that. Please remove it. --elliot_k 06:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've seen articles from other Wikinews authors use company logos in them before, but I haven't been around long enough to know whether or not those logos were ever featured on the front page or not. The title of the article has "Southwest Airlines" in it, so I figured it would be okay to put the logo of Southwest Airlines in the article. Looking at the history of Template:Lead_article, it appears that Messedrocker was the one who decided to put the logo on the main page. Sawran 06:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I see no problem with that logo, as the article is about that company, but i'll try an hunt down a boeing 737. by the way you don't have to be an admin to edit leads. template:Lead article. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 07:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing me that non-admins can edit that template. However, wouldn't it be wise to only allow admins to edit it? It seems that a vandal could seriously deface the front page if they made a change to just that one template. Sawran 07:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That does indeed happen from time to time, but protecting the templates would mean that admins get to decide which stories are important and which are not. And in cases of major breaking news where no admin is around, no one would be able to update the lead stories. So in my opionion the advantages of the current situation clearly outweigh the disadvantages. --Deprifry|+T+ 11:08, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Those are good points that you bring up, Deprifry. Maybe it would be better if only anonymous users (those without a Wikinews account) were blocked from changing the template. Sawran 17:11, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that is technically impossible with the current MediaWiki software. --Deprifry|+T+ 20:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * ok there's lots of pictures of this air-craft at commons. Boeing_737 which one do you like the best? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 07:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you do decide to use the logo theres another slightly different version at 'pedia w:image:Southwest_Airlines_logo.png. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 07:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Massive big ups to Bawolff and Chiacomo for sourceing and adding image. Thanks... Logos suck!--elliot_k 07:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, Bawolff. In the future, I'll have to remind myself to check the Wikimedia Commons first for images before browsing around for corporate logos. ;) Sawran 07:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Typo.
There's a typo/conflict in parallelism. The second sentence should read... under heavy know, and SKIDDED off the runway...


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User talk:Zocky/News digest

From a technical aspect, thats really cool!!☺. However it would require a change in quite alot of the ways things are currently done. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing) It just may take a little bit to figure out the best way to implement this. (assuming other people like it.) Bawolff ☺☻ 06:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Partly what I had in mind for Business Briefs
This is partly what I had in mind for Business Briefs. Wikinews needs many articles than it generates now. I simply do not have enough time to make a good-size article on everything I think needs covering. I have several RSS feeds and try to pick out stories that appear relatively frequently, using that as a guide to what the public would be interested in. Currently Business Briefs has a few flaws mainly to do with admins which I hope to find solutions for. For example, there is no cgi form to append a new brief, the whole page must be editable to edit a brief this could add accidental typos and other problems.

One problem with your approach is who gets to decide what Headlines need to appear? If general users then it could easily become a spam magnet. --Sfullenwider 22:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, currently general users decide what goes onto the front page. That doesn't seem to be a problem. Zocky 08:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

iff's and server issues
iffs been killed on wp as far as i can tell due to exsessive server resources. Will the developers get mad at us if we adopt it? Bawolff ☺☻ 06:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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User:Bawolff/Sandbox/Column-test/U.S. Supreme Court: Death penalty for juveniles is unconstitutional/ext-ss

  March 1, 2005 In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled today, in Roper v. Simmons, that it is unconstitutional to impose capital punishment on those who committed crimes while juveniles. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion to overturn the death penalty for juveniles, which was also supported by Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer. Dissenting were Justices Antonin Scalia, William Rehnquist, and Clarence Thomas, with Justice Sandra Day O'Connor providing a separate dissent.

Christopher Simmons received the death sentence for brutally kidnapping and murdering Shirley Crook as part of a burglary. The case worked its way up the court system, with the courts continuing to uphold the death sentence. However, in light of a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, in Atkins v. Virginia, that overturned the death penalty for the mentally retarded, the Missouri Supreme Court reconsidered Mr. Simmon's case. It concluded that "a national consensus has developed against the execution of juvenile offenders" and sentenced Mr. Simmons to life imprisonment without parole.

The case eventually made its way to the Supreme Court, where it was argued on October 13, 2004. The constitutionality of capital punishment for juveniles was put into question, citing the Eighth Amendment that protects individuals from cruel and unusual punishment.

Previously, a 1988 Supreme Court decision Thompson v. Oklahoma barred execution of offenders under the age of 16. In 1989 Stanford v. Kentucky brought into question the constitutionality of execution for those under age 18. At the time the Supreme Court upheld the possibility of capital punishment for offenders who are 16 or 17 years old when they committed the capital offense. The same day in 1989 the Supreme Court ruled it was permissible to execute the mentally retarded in Penry v. Lynaugh. However, in 2003, the decision was reconsidered in Atkins v. Virginia citing that decency standards had evolved and execution of the mentally retarded was now considered to be cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional.

Roper v. Simmons brought the age issue to the table again. In question is whether it is Constitutionally permissible to execute an offender who committed a capital crime while under the age of 18. As in the issue of executing the mentally retarded, the Supreme Court has now decided that society’s standards have evolved since the 1989 case and that it is indeed cruel and unusual punishment to execute a juvenile, under age 18.

Supporting this “evolving standard”, is the body of scientific and sociological research1 that finds juveniles have a lack of maturity and sense of responsibility, compared to adults. Adolescents are overrepresented statistically in virtually every category of reckless behavior. In recognition of the comparative immaturity and irresponsibility of juveniles, almost every State prohibits those under age 18 from voting, serving on juries, or marrying without parental consent. Juveniles are also more vulnerable to negative influences and outside pressures, including peer pressure. They have less control, or experience with control, over their own environment. They also lack the freedom that adults have, in escaping a criminogenic setting.

Another key basis to support the “national consensus” on the death penalty for juveniles, is the increasing infrequency that it is applied at the state level. While 20 states have the juvenile death penalty on the books, only six states have executed prisoners for crimes committed as juveniles, since 1989. And, just three states have done so in the past 10 years: Oklahoma, Texas, and Virginia. Furthermore, five of the states that allowed the juvenile death penalty at the time of the 1989 case have since abolished it. Thus, the execution of juveniles is indeed becoming increasingly unusual in the United States and a “national consensus” has developed.

In evaluating whether death penalties violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, the Supreme Court has taken guidance from the law of foreign countries and international bodies. Since 1990, only seven other countries – Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and China – have executed juveniles. Since then, however, each of those seven countries has either abolished the death penalty for juveniles or made public disavowal of the practice. Now, one finds the stark reality that the United States stand alone, as the only country in the world that continues to allow execution of juveniles. Furthermore, only the United States and Somalia have yet to ratify Article 37 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (September 2, 1990), expressly prohibits capital punishment for crimes committed by juveniles.

In drawing the line at 18 years of age for death eligibility, the Supreme Court considered that is also where society draws the line between childhood and adulthood for a multitude of other purposes.

Both the Scalia dissent, joined by Rehnquist and Thomas, and Justice O’Connor’s separate dissent put into question whether a “national consensus” had indeed formed among the state laws. In addition, Scalia also objects to taking guidance from foreighn law in interpreting the Constitution.

Implications of this ruling, are particularly felt in the State of Virginia, where it is now most certain that Lee Boyd Malvo will not face the death penalty. He is responsible in-part, along with John Allen Muhammad, for the DC Sniper Attacks that terrorized the Washington DC area in October 2002. He had already been spared the death penalty in his first trial, for the murder of FBI employee, Linda Franklin, outside a Home Depot store in Falls Church, Virginia. However, Mr. Malvo is also set to face trial in Prince William County, Virginia for another murder, and yet to face trial in Louisiana and elsewhere for other killings. In light of today's Supreme Court decision, the prosecutors in Prince William County may not pursue the charges against Mr. Malvo, after all. The primary reason for extraditing these two suspects from Maryland, where they were arrested, to Virginia, was in fact the differences in how the two states deal with the death penalty. While the death penalty is allowed in Maryland, it is only applied to adults, whereas Virginia had also allowed the death penalty for juvenile offenders.


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I submited a article and you listed it and I can not find it now. It was about the FBI two days before 9/11. I gave you my name and phone number. I have data that makes it easy to prove true.

Thank You Charles D. Lopez

Just a second I'll look for it. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, the problem with this article was that it was an editorial/opinion piece, and we currently don't allow editorials for neutrality reasons. (the admin who deleted it is supposed to notify of this but he didn't.) Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 07:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

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You phone number
I have removed your telephone number from your user page -- generally a bad thing to put on a page that is certain to be indexed by Google and the likes. If you wish you can replace it, of course. I don't normally edit user pages without permission, by the way. :D --Chiacomo (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

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Muslim youth to guard Christian churches in Indonesia

December 10, 2005

Amid fears of attacks like those against churches on Christmas Eve 2000, Jakarta police have announced an increased level of security leading up to the Christmas holidays. Youth members of Nahdlatul Ulama, the largest Muslim group in Indonesia, have volunteered to assist with security around the churches.

The Muslim youth organization, the Banser, have contacted organizations from other religions to coordinate with the police to ensure a peaceful holiday season.

Simultaneous church bombings at Christmas in 2000 claimed the lives of 19 people in Indonesia.


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User:CDLopez

On 9/9/ I put my sister on the train in Martinez, California. Later on that day she called me and said that there were FBI agents on the train looking for guns,bombs and weapons. She sounded scared so I told her to get off asap. Later on that evening she called me again and the FBI had stopped the train in the desert near the California Oregon border. This was not at a train depot.

After they had searched the train and my sister boarded the train, there were two people that were sitting behind her and she over heard them say that someone must have tipped the feds off.

The next morning my sister got off the train in Washington State.

I flew home from California to Hawaii on 9/10 and woke up on 9/11 in time to watch the terrorist fly into the twin towers.

I called my sister and we talked about what happened on the train. My sister thought that the two guys sitting behind her on the train were from the middle east.

Thank You Charles D. Lopez

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Bush threatens U.N. over Clinton climate speech

December 10, 2005

Officials in the Bush administration privately threatened the organizers of the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Montreal, saying that any chance there might have been for the United States to sign the Kyoto Protocol would be lost if Bill Clinton spoke Friday at the meeting.

The threat was received within minutes of the Associated Press running a story on Clinton being added to the program. "It's just astounding." said one organizer. "It came through loud and clear from the Bush people—they wouldn't sign the deal if Clinton were allowed to speak."

Clinton said, "There's no way that I'm gonna let petty politics get in the way of the deal. So I'm not gonna come." The organizers later reported that they had "called the administration's bluff." Clinton delivered his speech as planned.

In his speech Friday, Clinton described the Bush administration's opposition to Kyoto as "flat wrong."

Vice-President Dick Cheney directed the U.S. envoy to walk out Thursday, in response to comments by Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin on Thursday. The walk out is not believed to relate to Clinton's attendance.


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Talk:Confidence building reported between Iranian and Israeli citizens

great move

not a great move


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User talk:202.63.109.155

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User talk:68.124.18.81

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Airplane crashes in Nigeria

December 10, 2005 A DC-9, operated by privately owned, Sosoliso Airlines, crashed in Port Harcourt, Nigeria, reportedly killing at least 103 people. Seven people are reported to have survived the crash.

Landing during an electrical storm, the plane overshot the runway and burst into flames. The aircraft broke into three main pieces, scattering passengers and wreckage.

Some 75 children returning home for the holidays are among the victims.

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Mozilla to fix Firefox security hole in patch

December 10, 2005

The Mozilla Foundation announced today a plan to patch vulnerability in Mozilla Firefox 1.5 in late January or early February 2006.

Mike Schroepfer, vice president of engineering of the Mozilla Foundation, states "it's a low-severity issue, but we will address it anyway."

Packetstorm Security posted that Firefox 1.5, released on November 30, has vulnerability in its history.dat file, such that Firefox becomes very slow after restarting from a visit to a website exploiting the vulnerability. A URL of a few million characters takes advantage of the vulnerability. History.dat stores the user's recently visited sites. Initially Packetstorm posted that a tailored URL could crash Firefox. When attempting to recreate the problem, Mozilla engineers found that the browser works slowly and takes an extremely long time to load a website, but does not crash.

If one does encounter the problem after visiting an exploiting website, clearing out the history will fix it.


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User:Neebs

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Mozilla_to_fix_Firefox_security_hole_in_patch My first article. I felt like I did well.

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User talk:202.128.38.67

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New hotel location article
Hello, just like to let you know that your article pertaining to the Stone House B&B has been deleted, as it was considered an advertisement. (Note: If you have no idea what I am talking about, then this message is for someone else who used this IP address to edit.) —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 20:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

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