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Talk:Televisión Nacional de Chile acknowledges 'error' for using 'hooded delinquent' videos in news programme

I believe that we should adopt the policy of wikipedia that all translations be verified by two editors fluent in the language. (And that machine translations not be condoned without verification by other than the editor of the article. Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 21:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I may provide translations on request; no other Spanish editors around may be willing to provide translations, so the "second editor" suggested by you should be Google Translate. アンパロ Io ti odio! 21:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That is just you verifying yourself. Not a neutral method. There are plenty of users on Wikipedia who will validate your source, and also make sure you are not plagiarizing. Also, I have found good luck with willing editors on the Spanish sites, both wikipedia and wikinews. If no one reads Spanish well enough on this sites, I think you should seek else where.
 * Also, your article needs a copy edit, as some of the language use is very strange. e.g. "that TVN had used at least thrice videos of a 'hooded delinquent' to present reports on the student protests" - sounds like a machine translated phrase. Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, Mattisse. For a reason I pointed out the use of Google Translator, since I will be translating the sources, and Google Translator will prove that my translations are truthful; I'll be just helping the eventual reviewer. Since you are not a reviewer, I don't see the point of you drama-whoring. Respectfully, アンパロ Io ti odio! 23:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've studied Spanish for four years in high school, and I'm reading the Spanish translation of Harry Potter right now. However, I'm not taking any Spanish classes in college. Am I qualified to review translations? Ragettho (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, on wikipedia you wouldn't but perhaps here you would. Wikipedia requires fluent speakers, else the nuances and idiomatic phrasing are not easily understood. I have about the same level of experience of Spanish that you have. But I have looked at the google's machine translations of this article and I have real questions. Especially about the phrases in quotes, since there are alternative ways they could be translated, so why should they be in quotes?. Perhaps you could fix the weird wording/punctuation that seem to come from a machine translation in the article. (An example is given above.)  Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And no, I don't use machine translation (i.e. Google Translator). The only thing I use when translating is my loyal Collins 1982 dictionary. Perhaps my translations are too literal from Spanish... アンパロ Io ti odio! 23:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I see some difficulties with this concept; working out how to improve this aspect of our practices is quite tricky, methinks, and needs to start with understanding our current best practices; consultation with extensively experienced folk would be called for. --Pi zero (talk) 05:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Two fluent editors' seems native Wikipedia, and incompatible with Wikinews infrastructure.
 * Wikipedia relies on extensive redundancy: many eyes, over however long it takes. We can't, having neither the time nor the personnel.
 * Wikinews relies on profoundly trusted individuals; our whole internal dynamics focuses on assessing individuals' trustworthiness. Reviewers routinely take irreversible actions; Wikipedia has nothing like it, which figures since nothing routine in Wikipedia is irreversible.
 * The redundancy technique seems to focus on polishing over time; that's a Wikipedia thing, not a Wikinews thing.
 * Current best practices aren't perfect, but consultation with an expert is needed, I think, even to identify just what the weaknesses are. My understanding (I don't often visit this pocket of our practices):
 * When a reviewer checks a source, in the ordinary scheme of things, the reviewer must be fluent in the source language. This is the same standard for non-English sources as for English sources.
 * If the reviewer isn't fluent in the source language, it's the reviewer's responsibility to get help; automatic translation is definitely not good enough for source-checking. I believe I recall Blood Red Sandman fetching someone trustworthy from Wikipedia to do some checking of... Swedish?... sources of an article.  BRS, of course, is an admin on Wikipedia and knows who there to trust and how to explain what's needed, and is trusted here to do that well.
 * Accuracy of quote translations is part of verification, which is in the purview of the peer reviewer.

 * There is a problem with the use of quotations. Quotations are a literal rendering of what was written. Presumable the material in quotation marks was in Spanish, since all of the sources are. What are the sources for the English quotations used in this article?  Mattisse (talk) 18:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is common practice to do translations of quotes. There is minor to no coverage on the students protests in English-language news sources, so I have to do it by myself, obviously. アンパロ Io ti odio! 18:07, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no reason why you have to use quotes at all in this article. It's not like you're quoting "I quit!" or something that would benefit the article by quoting. And especially since your translating of Spanish isn't too good, I don't think you should be using quotes unless they can be verified.
 * Also, what about the strange wording like "Online newspaper Otra Prensa! reported on July 13 that TVN had used at least thrice videos of a 'hooded delinquent' to present reports on the student protests" - that is not correct English. Mattisse (talk) 18:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead of complaining, sofixit. Wikinews is a wiki, and can be edited and fixed by anyone, including you. アンパロ Io ti odio! 18:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by it, so I can't fix it. Also what do you mean by "The journalists presenting the reports were, chronologically, Amaro Gómez-Pablos, Gonzalo Ramírez, and Consuelo Saavedra."? Do you mean something about age or something about order, e.g. the oldest (or youngest) was Amaro Gómez-Pablos? Or he was the first? (I will not copy edit something that I don't know is accurate to begin with. The purpose of the sources is to give the copy editor a source to go on. It is too much effort for me to translate all those sources myself.) Mattisse (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The first journalist to present a report on the student protests with the hooded delinquent in the background was Mr. Amaro Gómez-Pablos, Gonzalo Ramírez followed, and Consuelo Saavedra was the last one to do so. アンパロ Io ti odio! 18:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So write it in correct English.
 * Pi zero is saying above that the "the reviewer must be fluent in the source language", and although I can read Spanish somewhat, I am not what you call "fluent". So I am ineligible to "fix" the article. Mattisse (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the issue of quotes, that's what Translated quote is for. It provides access, to the reader and reviewer, to the original quote. Just thought someone might be interested. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  19:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Um, will give it a try; I remember using it on my report of the tsunami in Pichilemu last March, per your own suggestion too. アンパロ Io ti odio! 20:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Razela. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Razela~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Rsmith. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Rsmith~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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Thread:Comments:Six dead in shooting at Texas roller skating rink/Time Lag/reply

There's no 24hr window for putting stuff up on here. Within a week is usually considered fine. This may have been on your local or even national news, but the vast majority of the world don't watch/listen/read your news source but might want to hear about this. If you want your news on here quicker... then you write it :)


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Thread:Comments:Breaking News: Tropical Depression Forms Off The Coast Of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula/Comments from feedback form - "Sounds like a news channel"

Sounds like a news channel —203.122.54.170 (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:Wikinews interviews U.S. Libertarian Party presidential candidate R. Lee Wrights/Comments from feedback form - "A well done interview, some mo..."

A well done interview, some more specific questions would help the reader get a better feel for the candidate.


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User talk:Adminbhavya

-- 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I am sorry to inform you that the username you have chosen violates Wikinews's username policy because using the word Admin in a username is not permitted, since it may mislead other users. I have indefinitely blocked your account from editing because of this. If you wish to contribute to Wikinews in a positive fashion, please do so by creating another account with a name that conforms with our username policy from Special:CreateAccount. If you believe this block was made in error or wish to contest it, please [ add to this page]. Thank you. BarkingFish (talk) 22:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:89.77.50.22

Hello, !

This is Wikinews, a free news source. Wikinews is an experiment in citizen journalism, not an encyclopedia. You may be confusing us with our sister project Wikipedia. Your encyclopedic addition to Wikinews was deleted. Please add it to Wikipedia if it is relevant there. We would be happy to welcome you as a contributor to Wikinews! アンパロ Io ti odio! 19:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Abolaji ibrahim

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Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/archives/2011/July

Interview proposal for National Archives Wikipedian in Residence
Hey all,

Per this interview that just came out of the Washington Post, I've invited the National Archives (NARA) Wikipedian in Residence, w:User:Dominic, to consider doing an interview with us. I'm probably going to interview him next weekend, when he's had more time on the job to provide more insightful commentary on the relationship between NARA and Wikipedia.

Do you guys have any suggestions for questions I could ask? I'll come up with questions of my own, but I really would appreciate other people's input. Ragettho (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great idea! How many questions were you thinking about? You should put them on a subpage to work on, like at User:Ragettho/Interview proposal for National Archives Wikipedian in Residence. -- Cirt (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It does sound great. Just a note, from amongst the advice on interviews at WN:OR: "when contacting sources, you must represent yourself as an independent author/researcher, not as a 'representative' of Wikinews."  --Pi zero (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Cirt: I'm not quite sure what I want to do yet. If he agrees to answer my questions, I'll put together a more concrete sketch of the interview.
 * Pi zero: Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Ragettho (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * yarrrrr! He said yes. I'll get started on a sketch of the interview soon. Ragettho (talk) 00:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

What is going to make for the most interesting read for as wide an audience as possible? If you keep that in mind when composing questions, you'll do fine.

There always has to be a degree of caution when reporting on other WMF projects, and that applies here in terms of making sure the interview is newsworthy. You will also need a lede that explains who/what a "Wikipedian in residence" is, doing so in such a manner that people will want to read further. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I posted some questions on the page linked above. Let me know what you think! Ragettho (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added one, which you may want to slot in elsewhere in the order. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --

Per WN:COE, I'm going to ask Dominic, the interviewee, to approve Wikinews interviews US National Archives Wikipedian in Residence before it gets published. Could someone please take a quick look at the article and make sure everything is alright? I'll probably keep editing the article over the next few hours, and will ask Dominic to see what he thinks about the article tomorrow. Ragettho (talk) 02:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 * To state the (hopefully) obvious, the interviewee only has rightful editorial control over the accuracy of what they said. We aren't their mouthpiece; editorial control passes from them to you, and then from you to the uninvolved reviewer who peer-reviews the article for publication once you switch it from develop to review.  --Pi zero (talk) 01:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I'm uncomfortable with my above comment —even though it seems, well, true— because it under-represents the key applicable ethics passage, WN:COE:
 * Do not publish any sort of interview story without ensuring that the interviewee is absolutely happy with the article's final text. Even if this means giving up the interview.  Wikinews will only lose out if it offends interviewees — remember to respect that they have taken the time to talk to us!
 * Admittedly, I did squirm, just slightly, over the interviewee directly making edits to the article. When the interviewee begins to shade toward a journalistic role on their own interview, they're shading toward a conflict of interest (WN:COI).  [Which in this instance was handled impeccably with full disclosure in the OR notes; I'm just saying.]  --Pi zero (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

WN:Article wizard
Okay, I've got a complete draft of an article wizard. The main sequence is five panels (News event, Sources, Headline, Lede, Inverted pyramid), with three optional side panels along the way (Freshness, Newsworthiness, Advanced sourcing).

I'd like to solicit the community's input. --Pi zero (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Things left out? (Things that should be omitted?)  Things badly expressed?  Are any panels too full, and if so, suggestions on how to fix?
 * Is the wizard in about this form useful enough to deploy, and if so, where/how?
 * Eventually, I hope the wizard can have blanks the user fills in as xe goes, and the wizard accumulates the information — sources, brief answers to basic questions, headline (which is the point at which it becomes possible to create the article), lede, body. I'm trying to work out what would be a beautifully simple and general javascript tool (or tools) to bring to bear on that.  Suggestions??
 * I like the idea, but I have a couple dislikes.
 * There are way too many info notices...my vision blurs over. I'd try to make it more step based, see User:Mono/Wikinews:Syndication for an idea.
 * Make it more how-to in general and try to enhance it with technology. For example, try implementing a search to see if the topic is already covered.

Thanks, theMONO 03:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

 * What I'm mainly getting from those comments is the need for the javascript aspect of the wizard.
 * The difficult, we do right away. Javascript takes a little longer.
 * I'm a firm believer in graceful degradation; there would have to be a version of the wizard for users without javascript in any case.
 * The wizard has a lot of information in it because there's a lot newbies need to know. I'm not sure if there's anything outside the purview of the missing javascript element implied by "how to".  Other than a slight mention of active voice and similar, imho there's no realistic chance of the wizard teaching newbies to write English.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

COinS and hCalendar in Source and Date

 * Since this stalled, being on an under-used talk page and all, I'll bring it here, at the risk of restarting the firestorm. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  20:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Since BarkingFish doesn't seem to like my edits to this template very much, I'll try for consensus or something, although I doubt it's an issue anyone feels very strongly about.

Basically, I'd like to add COinS and hCalendar microformats to this template. The former has been used for this exact same purpose on Wikipedia for ages, and it's been in Date for a good few months, with no ill effects. It simply makes citation easier for some users, without changing anything for the rest.

The latter is recommended for anything that can be defined as an "event", with a summary (in this case, the title of the article, which I had in the format "Title" — Publisher, although that may not be the best way to express it) and a date/time (the publication date of the article). It makes our articles easier to parse for bots and software, and lets the user do semi-useful things like export the sources as events to be easily imported into a calendar or timeline. This does even less to the users for whom it isn't useful, being simply elements that wrap around what was already there.

I don't expect many people are watching this page, but I don't think it's really important enough for the water cooler, so I'll flag this discussion for a while, in the hopes of getting consensus either way. Personally, I don't feel particularly strongly, although I certainly see this as a net benefit to readers and the project. DEN DODGE  George Watson  15:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

 * This was discussed on the water cooler a while back, iirc. (Probably wrt date.)  We should find that and provide a link to it here.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Found it! That was about Source and Date, but the source part got pretty much ignored, so we never got around to implementing it. Since then, I've learnt to use other formats, too, and I'd say hCalendar will be about as useful as COinS would, so if we do one, we might as well go for them both. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  17:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

 * - I dislike your changes, dendodge, because they are frankly utterly utterly unnecessary. As unnecessary as COinS is. You said it earlier on IRC - "it makes various tasks easier for a few people" - maybe it does, wonderful.  How many people? Are we even sure people know what the fuck this is? Who uses it, why do we need it, what does it do, is there any real point in us inserting potentially useless crap into our pages?  I know the answer to the last part of that, and it's NO.  Unless you can actually justify what it does and why it's beneficial to us having it, I say that we do not use this, or any other "microformat".  Get justifying. BarkingFish (talk) 23:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it useful. Evidently, the editors over at The Other Place agree with me (and amazingly they had, AFAICT, little to no controversy). If somebody wants to cite one of our articles, they have an easy way to do so. If somebody wants to plot our articles on a timeline (which would be useful for a set of articles in a series of events, such as an uprising against some dictatorship), they have an easy way to do so. If someone wants to index all our articles using a bot, they have an easy way to do so. Personally, I find the COinS on Wikipedia useful when citing works for college essays; I have not yet had to cite a news article linked from WN, but I expect I, or somebody else, will need to. The hCalendar is a nice additional thing that has not been directly useful to me, and would be primarily useful to automated tools, but there are a number of end-user applications around the corner (the Firefox Operator extension being an example). The number of users it will help is small, but it is growing, and it's a hell of a lot bigger than the number of users it will hinder - none. If I hadn't told you about it, and you didn't have RC, you wouldn't even know it was there. But microformats are one of the first things I notice when I load a web page (because they put a handy little icon in my address bar), and I do use them for a variety of purposes. Other people do as well. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  23:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You know straight away what my answer is to that. We're not the Other Place - and this sounds like at the moment, it's about you. You find it useful. They're one of the first things You notice. And whether you told me about it or not, I can read recent changes and would have found this eventually.  I'm not blind. BarkingFish (talk) 23:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I specifically said "and you didn't have RC". And I'm talking about myself because you asked for proof that it was useful. I find it useful. I can't speak for anyone else, but the chances of me being completely unique in using microformats are very slim. They exist for a reason, and lots of people use them. And I know we're not The Other Place, but the fact that even they implemented these things with no noticeable controversy has to say something, as does the fact that they use them at all. So we have established that some people, such as me, find it useful - the next question would be, How is your experience impacted by these microformats? You don't like them, but what do they actually do to reduce usability or aesthetics? "Absolutely nothing" is the answer to that question. At most loading times might be slowed down by a millisecond for people on slow connections, but since all we're doing is wrapping spans around elements that are already there, even that is unlikely.  DEN  DODGE  George Watson  23:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So why the "and you didn't have RC"? How could you use that as part of an argument when EVERYBODY here has access to RC. Come on, den, use some sense. And my main reason for you not doing the fiddling with the templates, barring the fact that I actually think this entire POS is utterly worthless, is that you're doing it on very high use templates, and regardless of what you think, those kind of changes should not be done without consensus amongst users (which is why you're now here :D ). You don't just go and change something for the sake of it without speaking to others about it. Implementing stuff because you implemented other similar stuff (I'd say hCalendar will be about as useful as COinS would, so if we do one, we might as well go for them both.) isn't a good reason to just go ahead.  Discuss, decide, despatch. Anyway, I'm done, time to let others vote to do this, so I can look like a dick for not wanting it :P BarkingFish (talk) 00:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I was simply pointing out that it doesn't change anything for the people it doesn't help - it wasn't supposed to imply that I was trying to hide it from you. And, yeah, of course I'm all for consensus - I just figured people wouldn't really mind. Had you been around to raise your objection at the time, I would have brought it here first. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  00:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone else care to weigh in? DEN DODGE  George Watson  20:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Photos of mass murderers
Well, I guess every news agency does publicate their photos, if there is one available at the time, but I think we should not do that. They usually commit those crimes to get themselves known, and I feel that we should not support this intent by showing their pictures on the relevant news. The only exception of what I can easily tolerate is to publish the photo, if the suspect is still on the run. But again, this thought might be futile, as all the others display those pictures. - Xbspiro (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is not censored. The person is highly significant to the story, and our stories need pictures. Would you rather have a striking portrait of the killer, or a map of Norway? We are not going to take pictures out of articles because it might give someone some publicity. Would you also like us to remove the name of the gunman, because it gets him known? Is Lee Harvey Oswald now "that guy"? In a story about David Cameron, we will include a picture of David Cameron. In a story about a mass murderer, we will include a picture of said mass murderer. Whether it offends you or not. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  01:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that people's feeling of justice (well, only mine in this case), if it would have a significance here, could cause a lot of interference. Therefore I accept the consensus about "no censorship", but still wanted to express my opinion. I understand that it would be awkward to write an article without naming those in spotlight, and never requested such a thing, although what I wrote might imply this as well. I also understand that articles are better if they are illustrated.
 * The choice in the case of question, however, is not limited to choosing among the map of Norway and his photo. The article is about an event, and given that this file has been uploaded when it was not considered to be free, there would have been other possible choices under fair use which reflect more on the event and its aftermath itself, rather then the perpetrator. They might be more violent though. In general, for a speech of Cameron, it is better to include his picture taken on that event, rather than one taken at some other place and time. Sticking to free media, the Commons holds some about the parallel bombing, which could also have been used; but that is not about shooting itself. Using free media, however, would not ease my concerns, as his profile photo can be distributed freely now, just as I thought it will be. Basically, by showing his photo, we completely fulfill his wishes, while by not showing pictures of the incident or its aftermath, we do not underline what happened. It is also not true, that we do include the photo of the person in question all the times: take a look at this article for example, and then search the web for his photos.
 * Personally, I refrain from editing articles about such terrorist activities, since I deeply condemn them, and I think those who committed those crimes does not deserve an article polished by me at all. I only wrote this to make my previous words more understandable, and not to generate war. However, if you see weak points in my reasoning, please name them. Whether it will offend me or not. And again, I accept the no censorship principle, and I do feel that to start acting against it would be a dangerous precedent. - Xbspiro (talk) 12:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all, we can't use any pictures from the Independent, as they're a competing news organisation. The photograph of the killer was the best I could find at the time. If you can find something better, feel free to replace it. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  12:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right about the fair use problem, I overlooked, my bad. - Xbspiro (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the guy was doing it to be notorious: he was trying to make a political point. Of course, it rather backfires because for the next however many years, anyone brings up political ideas similar to his, people are going to say "oh, isn't that the same idea that caused that guy to go and kill 89 kids?" —Tom Morris (talk) 13:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Sarcasm is hostile "humor" and should be discouraged
(cross posted from Talk:Main Page) I was not the only one who didn't get the sarcastic comment made here.

I think a great deal of the "poison pen" stuff would be reduced if not eliminated if sarcasm were not used. See sarcasm Please stop the sarcasm here and in other areas referring to me. It causes a poisoned atmosphere. And remember, not everyone on this site is from the UK, so Pi Zero's comments in defense of sarcasm are very insular: "Ergom — the above exchange may be puzzling, taken out of context. Brian McNeil recently warned Mattisse against poison-pen denigration of Wikinews and its contributors. It may also be helpful to note that on Brian's first, serious reply, his appended question is a sarcastic allusion to a traditional saying." ??? Traditional saying? Again, are global contributor welcome, or only those from the UK or wherever the "traditional saying" comes from? Mattisse (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * <copyright violation removed.>
 * The saying, supposedly, has Spanish origins. And, if you don't like the fact that there is a substantial British-English contingent on this project, make like a tree. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Encouraging donations to Commons
I've created two new templates, Commons donate left and Commons donate right. I think the purpose of these should be fairly obvious. However, I'd like suggestions on how we could make them more distinct from the HYS templates I've copied most of the code from.

I do have one concern, which is what about people who're not logged in, or don't have user accounts on Commons. Should we be sending people to the Commons login page, with a "return to the upload wizard" redirect?

For making the box requesting image donations more distinctive, I'm wondering if rounded corners and a drop-shadow would suffice. I also suspect the clickable link to go and upload stuff should be more prominent.

Keeping the template size the same as, or slightly smaller than, the HYS ones is - to me - pretty important. Beyond that, consider this a 'design competition'. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

 * How about this?
 * It's not quite was I was going for, but I can't seem to make the shadow work properly. It's a start. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  12:38, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It does give me a couple ideas...

 * Not a massive change from yours, but noticeably distinct from the HYS templates. Still annoyed the drop shadow isn't quite right. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was going for bottom and right, but it ended up all the way round. The only way I can think of to do it would be with CSS - a few lines in MediaWiki:Common.css would do it, and then we could just apply a class to the template so it looks that way in every article. Anyway, the above is just something I did in thirty seconds to try and kick things off. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  19:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


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Wikinews interviews Andy Martin, U.S. Republican Party presidential candidate

August 8, 2011

U.S. Republican Party presidential candidate of Illinois took some time to answer a few questions from Wikinews reporter William S. Saturn.

Martin has questioned the validity of the birth certificate released by Barack Obama, and is best known for his role in the spreading of rumors that Obama is a Muslim. According to CNN, Martin has retracted the Muslim claim and now believes that Obama was fathered by journalist and labor activist rather than Kenyan economist. He also believes that the Obama presidency has been a failure and has asked for Obama to resign.

Martin has run for an assortment of public offices in the past and has previously mounted two presidential campaigns. During the, he vied unsuccessfully for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, and in , he again fell short of winning the nomination of the Republican Party.

In other areas, Martin has filed numerous lawsuits, some reportedly with anti-Jewish language. This has caused some commentators such as former White House Press Secretary to label Martin as an. Martin vehemently denies the charge. He has also taken legal action against Wikipedia, which he feels is a propaganda arm of the Obama administration.

While focusing his presidential campaign in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire, Martin has largely emphasized local issues. On national issues, he has taken stances, as documented on his campaign website and blog.

Barack Obama and the birther movement
According to , Martin first spread the 'Obama is a Muslim' rumor via press release following then-Senate candidate Obama's to the. Amid the 2008 presidential election, Martin traveled to Hawaii to investigate Obama, who was at the time, the Democratic Party nominee for president. In October 2008, he filed a lawsuit against the state to release Obama's birth certificate, but it was dismissed by the courts. After returning from the trip, Martin announced that he believed Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's biological father.

Martin has been a fierce critic of the Obama administration and held a press conference on August 5 to call for the resignation of both Obama and Vice President Joe Biden. He proposed that a "caretaker administration" be put in place until the 2012 election, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as president and a Republican as vice president.

 * You have been one of the leading proponents of the of Barack Obama.  What are your views on the long-form document recently released by the White House?
 * Andy Martin: I did indeed found the “Birther” movement questioning Barack Obama’s origins in Hawai’i but because of the need to run a national campaign for president I have not been active in examining Obama’s latest birth certificate. I think it was/is enough that I started the movement that ultimately forced Obama to release a document. I know there has been controversy about the new document but I am not involved in that controversy. It is for others to study and comment on the latest certificate; I am a full-time presidential candidate for the foreseeable future.

 * You have stated that it is your personal opinion that Frank Marshall Davis is the father of Barack Obama. What specifically led to this opinion?
 * Martin: My personal opinion that Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama’s biological father is based on my extensive research in Hawai’i.
 * Where specifically did you obtain the material for your research and what did it entail?
 * Martin: Because my Obama research in Hawai’i is ongoing and will be continuing in a research trip later this year I do not discuss my sources or methods of investigation. My writing speaks for itself.

 * Since announcing he would not seek the Republican nomination, Donald Trump seems to have toned down his statements on the birth certificate issue. What are your current views on Donald Trump?
 * Martin: I did not pay a lot of attention to Donald Trump’s “campaign” for president because his behavior seemed to suggest it was a charade. Mr. Trump has destroyed his political viability by saying initially he would only run as a Republican and then repudiating himself and suggesting he might run as an independent. Public leadership is serious business; Mr. Trump has shown he is not serious.

 * How would [you] assess the Obama presidency?
 * Martin: The Obama presidency is an abject failure. I predicted Mr. Obama would fail in a Psychological Profile which was the first chapter of my book Obama: The Man Behind The Mask. Obama’s failure is no surprise to me.

 * Do you believe Obama has done any good things as president?
 * Martin: I can’t think of any off the top

 * You ask Barack Obama to resign and want Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to take over. What legal precedent forms the basis of this? And assuming Vice President Biden resigns as well, why should  not take over as president?
 * Martin: The president of the Senate is third, not the speaker, so Reid is a practical choice. Boehner is fourth.

Personal past
Martin was asked several questions about his personal past, which he declined to answer. He refused to discuss his two previous presidential campaigns, his past affiliation with the Democratic Party and would not say which candidates he supported in previous elections. When pressed, Martin stated that the questions were irrelevant.

 * You ran for president in 1988 as a member of the Democratic Party. Why did you choose to become a member of that party, and what caused you to switch to the Republican Party?
 * Andy Martin: [The late] Congressman and Rev.  invited me to join the Republican Party and I did.
 * Are you still in contact with Pat Robertson?
 * Martin: No.

 * What is your response to the claims from Robert Gibbs and others that you are Anti-Semitic due to the alleged anti-Jewish language used in some of your previous lawsuits?
 * Martin: Robert Gibbs engaged in a crude political smear based on lies, distortions and misrepresentations. For the past four or five years I have been the victim of a pro-Obama dirty tricks operation orchestrated out of Wikipedia.org and the Obama campaign apparatus. In one sense, Obama’s use of malicious smears against me shows how desperate he is to discredit my activity. In another sense, the fact that Obama goes to such lengths to attack me is a compliment to the seriousness with which he views both my research and my current presidential campaign. The national media may not yet take my presidential campaign seriously but Mr. Obama and his dirty tricksters very much do. What does Obama know that the media don’t?

Presidential campaign
Martin has centered his campaign in the state of New Hampshire and has discussed local issues. For environmental reasons, he opposes the Northern Pass transmission line, an energy project slated to connect New England to the hydroelectric resources of. When asked if the project was under the purview of the office of the presidency, he replied that it requires a. On July 28, Martin released a press release that described a planned march against the Northern Pass as "what could be the largest campaign event generated by any presidential candidate in New Hampshire during the 2012 election cycle." When asked to go into detail about the event, Martin responded that it was "too time consuming" to provide "personalized analysis" but remarked that "I'd say we are surprising a lot of people and we have many more rabbits to pull out of the hat as the campaign progresses."

Martin has not been invited to any and has not been included in any.
 * Why did you decide to run for president in 2012?
 * Andy Martin: I did not think and still do not believe that any of the “leading” Republican candidates are capable of waging an effective campaign against Barack Obama. I believe I could do a better job because of my extensive understanding and study of Obama’s character and personality. I predicted his ineffectiveness as a president in my Psychological Study which was published as a chapter in my bestselling book Obama: The Man Behind The Mask in 2008. I understood Obama before the American electorate did. They were not listening to me in 2008; maybe they will listen in 2012. To paraphrase former New York Mayor, the American people did not listen to me in 2008 and they are suffering for it. Now I’m running formally as a candidate to take my case against Obama to the American people.

 * Individually, what is your opinion of some of your fellow candidates for the Republican Party presidential nomination, notably Mitt Romney,, Ron Paul and ? Why do you feel you would be a better nominee for the party than any of them?
 * Martin: I have occasionally written brief profiles and short commentaries on some of my opponents. Those columns are posted on my blogs. I refer you to those comments and any that appear in the future (as no doubt they will).

 * How often do you campaign, and how has the campaign been received by people you meet?
 * Martin: I campaign every day. I would say I have received an extraordinarily warm and positive response wherever I have campaigned. I place my campaign in the top 10, i.e. among the top 10 Republican presidential candidates nationally. While most of the media attention is focused on the top 5, some of the top 5 are tottering and will not survive.
 * Which other candidates would you also place in the top 10?
 * Martin: the usual ones, so long as they have actually announced. I don’t count unannounced ones.

 * Have you received any notable endorsements?
 * Martin: I receive the “endorsement” of ordinary Americans every day in my campaign. That is the only endorsement that counts.

 * Do you feel you can still win the nomination despite not receiving an invitation to any of the presidential debates?
 * Martin: I have a game plan and strategy to try to win, and we are executing that game plan well. I am very satisfied with the progress of the campaign. Actually, by excluding me from some of the debates to date, the media have been the losers. Some of the candidates they are showcasing are imploding, thereby brightening my prospects to move up on the presidential leader board.
 * In your estimation approximately how many supporters does your campaign have?
 * Martin: I can’t give an exact number, nor would I if we tallied supporters that way. But it clear my campaign is gaining altitude and other candidates are faltering. We are executing our game plan; others rather obviously are not.

 * If you do not win the Republican nomination, would you consider running for a 's nomination?
 * Martin: No.

Political views
On his campaign website, Martin describes himself as a supporter of the in opposition to stringent. He opposes and mandated health care coverage. He identifies himself as a proponent of the and a "corruption fighter". He writes about his issue positions on his personal blog.

Martin was asked to elaborate his answers on some of the questions, but did not respond. He labeled certain questions as "bizarre".

 * How would you describe your political philosophy? Would you be best defined as a, a conservative, a , a  or something else?
 * Andy Martin: I am a “full spectrum” conservative with an emphasis on national security and economic issues. These are the areas in which I have the greatest expertise.

 * Which historical or contemporary figures serve as your political role models?
 * Martin: President, Prime Minister , President

 * What are your thoughts on the ?
 * Martin: I have my own Medicare and Social Security plans.

 * Would you support a to the ?
 * Martin: Yes

 * Do you oppose any parts of the current U.S. Constitution?
 * Martin: This is a strange question

 * What necessary freedoms are currently lacking in America?
 * Martin: Good question

 * Should the U.S. be involved in the ?
 * Martin: I have supported limited involvement in Libya, primarily limited to support and special operations; we should not have a ground presence.

 * Should the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center remain open?
 * Martin: I have an open mind

 * What would be your first actions as president?
 * Martin: Jump-start the economy by encouraging the private sector to revitalize manufacturing and create immediate jobs.

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User talk:Allan Cortez

-- 21:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Dbadeaux

-- 21:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dbadeaux


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User talk:Murillo velasco

-- 21:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Digitalshawn

-- 21:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Lukep913

-- 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Modern Warfare 3 sells 6.5 million units, sets new record
Hi. This article wasn't submitted while it was still fresh. (The develop tag, which was on the article, provides a button for this purpose.) The article came to my attention when someone recently pushed the submit button; but unfortunately it's no longer fresh, now. --Pi zero (talk) 11:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Mazzolagiovanni

-- 22:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mazzolagiovanni


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User talk:Annie.stith

-- 22:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Annie.stith


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User talk:Mariejanewhine

-- 22:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mariejanewhine


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User talk:Diegoal999

-- 22:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Diegoal999


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Thread:Comments:Six dead in shooting at Texas roller skating rink/Tsk Tsk Tsk/reply

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Thread:Comments:Norway gunman defends actions as 'gruesome but necessary'/Comments from feedback form - "Two whole paragraphs with no n..."

Two whole paragraphs with no new info... waste of a click.


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User talk:TnTmonitor

-- 23:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:TnTmonitor


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User talk:Mahmoud Hayman

-- 23:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mahmoud Hayman


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User talk:Mimer(pte)

-- 23:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mimer(pte)


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User talk:Valen22408

-- 00:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Valen22408


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User talk:Ramezamgad

-- 00:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Kcamila

-- 00:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kcamila


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User talk:Ssubra

-- 00:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ssubra


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User talk:Haidheui

-- 01:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Haidheui


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User talk:Thomascooperca

-- 01:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Thomascooperca


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User talk:Mohamed5468

-- 01:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mohamed5468


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User talk:Naraperiod

-- 01:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Naraperiod


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User talk:Divanshumishra

-- 01:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Divanshumishra


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User talk:Stone Paw 42

-- 02:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:AlexPlante

-- 02:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Dawzy5162

-- 02:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dawzy5162


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User talk:Accusativen hos Olsson

-- 02:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Accusativen hos Olsson


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User talk:Elementrider77

-- 02:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Elementrider77


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User talk:Symbioticworm

-- 02:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Symbioticworm


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User talk:Print88wynnum

-- 02:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Print88wynnum


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User talk:67.65.196.161

Welcome
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title: User talk:67.65.196.161


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User talk:Chakradhar bandaru

-- 03:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Chakradhar bandaru


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Thread:Comments:Train accident in China kills at least 43/Comments from feedback form - "should upload the pics with ne..."

should upload the pics with news


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User talk:LeighMichelle75

-- 03:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:魔神英雄

-- 03:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:魔神英雄


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User talk:M9106TB

-- 03:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:M9106TB


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User talk:Afrakoosh ibn bartakoosh

-- 03:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Lovexz

-- 04:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lovexz


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User talk:Gasleaks au

-- 04:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Nikdahl

-- 04:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:惆怅客

-- 04:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Rakeysh123

-- 04:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Rakeysh123


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User talk:Mvshankarvijay

-- 04:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Pcas1986

-- 05:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Pcas1986


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User talk:Дмитрий Обухов

-- 05:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Дмитрий Обухов


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User talk:Singh92karan

-- 06:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Singh92karan


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User talk:Josereynaldodepaz

-- 06:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Josereynaldodepaz