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Your blythe assumption that the Taliban casually kills their own people while trying to drive out a foriegn occupation army displays a casual disregard of any information that does not square with your determination to see yourself on the side of the angels.

The committed hearing you refer to is for both the Taliban and the occupation forces. It is occurring here between you and me as well as other conversations between people around the world. It is also occurring in Afhganistan.


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I was under the impression that the Taliban was an islamic extremist theocracy that deems anyone not like them as 'infidels', worthy of death...I dont believe in good and evil, it's all relative, I believe that people who are trying to kill me, my family and my people just because we are different is enough justification for retaliation.

Under the Taliban, you wouldn't be able to speak freely as you are now and that's saying something.


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I love this story...


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My daughter had severe problems from the ride regarding her heart and brain - just began searching for others like her. She is well today, thank God. —98.221.131.5 (talk) 06:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


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Australian Prime Minister denies striking a deal with predecessor

July 15, 2010

In the wake of a special vote that removed former Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd and instated Julia Gillard as the new Prime Minister, claims have arisen regarding a deal made between the two in the Prime Minister's official residency,, that allegedly occurred the night before the special caucus vote and Gillard's apparent breaking of the agreement.

During the question portion of Gillard's recent address to The National Press Club, veteran journalist asked if a deal had been made between Rudd and Gillard during the negotiations in the PM suite prior to the announcement of the leadership spill.

"Can I ask you is it true that Mr Rudd told you that night that he was working towards an October election," asked Oakes.

"Is it true that Mr Rudd indicated to you that if closer to the election polling showed that he as an impediment to the reelection of the government and that if that leading Labor figures ... agreed he would voluntarily stand aside."

Claims were further made that Rudd then contacted his supporters to inform them of what he thought was a deal, while Gillard did the same. However, in that time Gillard learned that she had gained the numbers in the caucus to challenge Rudd, and proceeded to tell him that she would indeed be challenging his position.

Gillard refused to answer to the claims stating out of respect she would not speak publicly about the events of that night.

"It's not my intention to canvass any of the matters that were discussed in that room." She went on to say, "I intend to respect that confidence for the rest of my life."

If the claims were to be true, the only other notable time where an event such as this occurred was in 1989 where former Prime Minister,, promised to stand down for former Prime Minister for the. This never happened and a similar caucus vote took place.

A spokesperson for Kevin Rudd, said he had no comment to make regarding the claims.


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That is probably true. However, many who are fighting with the Taliban at this time believe they are justified to fight alongside people they may disagree with because they see someone elses troops trying to kill them, their family and their people because of someone who paints them with the same brush as the fifty to a hundred people living in the mountains who really were about killing you because you are different.

In the course of defending yourself, you have made the same prejudicial assumptions as your enemies. 'If you are not shooting at them, you are an enemy also.' Now, Rashid, Jr. wants to kill you not because you are an infidel, but because your people killed his daddy for tending his flock of goats instead of shooting at the people you did not like.

You keep speaking of the Taliban as if they are the only ones killing innocents in Afghanistan. Every innocent we kill is a major recruitment bonus for the people you claim to want dead.

And frankly, given how we treat people who disagree with the common opinion tells me one thing. At least those who really want the Taliban, instead of wanting revenge, are honest about shutting people up.


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I completely agree, casualties of innocent people is horrendous, no one is denying that. What I am denying is that we should fold just because the Taliban is getting more recruits through what I call subjective interpretation of events. Maybe Rashid's father also farmed poppies that was feeding into the Talibans drug conglomerate and thus fueling their terrorist actions or maybe Rashid is a nationalist, who has now become radicalised. Who knows and quite frankly who cares. To have a practice of going around and asking the enemy why they are they enemy and then deciding to take them out or not is not rational and DEFFINATELY not recipricated. Nor would it ever be...

What would you call all those people, going about their daily lives, earning a living for their families in the World Trade Center? An Armed Militia?

We have guidelines and conventions, which are denied to us by the Taliban. Yes we toe the line sometimes, BUT we have regulatory bodies and the freedom to monitor, act on and speakout about such deviancy. The Taliban does not nor would they tolerate someone preaching against their cause in their organisation/society. THEY BOMBED DEOMCRATIC ELECTIONS, FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

WE both have a double standard...isn't that fun...


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It is odd that you make an implicit assumption that I advocate folding for any reason that we have discussed. It is not my belief that folding is a good option to pursue, however, we do need to be aware of how our actions can increase the intensity of the action against or defuse it.

The point that I intended to make is that ridiculing someone, such as ARM, demonstrates that we are not as committed to the principles of free speech and free marketplace of ideas. The very discussion we have had on this forum would be a better reflection that principle and all those others for which we and/or the Taliban are fighting over.

It also seems odd that you seek to hold responsible many of these civilians for the actions of twenty or thirty killers in the World Trade Center operation. To somehow say that it is okay to randomly kill people because the other guy did is a slippery slope to the same kind of fanatical devotion to some sort of destructive belief that you accuse the Taliban of.

The very doublethink inherent in that is the very doublethink that allows someone to attack the Twin Towers and call it a military strike. Rashid the goatherd may be a military target, but treat the collateral damage of his death as a minor oops devalues life as much as flying a jumbo jet into a skyscraper.

It may be that my point has not been very well made in these postings back and forth. However, I believe the basic premise still comes through. Thank you for a fine discussion.


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India approves symbol for currency

July 15, 2010

A symbol for the was approved by the Government of India today. The Indian currency had previously lacked a distinctive symbol like those associated with the, , and the.

Minister for Information and Broadcasting of India announced the symbol chosen for the currency. "The symbol for the rupee would lend a distinctive character and identity to the currency and further highlight the strength and robustness of the Indian economy as a favored destination for global investments," Soni stated.

A competition was held to select the symbol, which drew more than 3,000 entries. After evaluation by the head of the, artists and designers, five were shortlisted. The winning design came from a post-graduate student, D Udaya Kumar, who won 250,000 (US$5,400).

The government announced that the symbol will not be printed on currency notes or coins, but would be added to the Unicode Standard and other scripts used in the world. Soni said the symbol would be adopted in India by the next two quarters and globally within a year and a half to two years. She mentioned that it would soon feature in worldwide keyboards for easy use.

The symbol is a blend of the and Latin scripts. "It is a perfect blend of Indian and Roman letters — capital 'R' and 'Ra' [र] which represents rupaiah, to appeal to international and Indian audiences [...] My design is based on the tricolour, with two lines at the top and white space in between," Kumar, the designer of the symbol, said.

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Sure there's not a zero missing in there, and it's supposed to be 2,500,000? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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Scholastic sued for Harry Potter copyright infringement

July 15, 2010

A trustee of the estate of the late author filed a lawsuit against the US publisher of the  series,, on Tuesday. He claimed that, the author of the Harry Potter series, had copied scenes from Jacob's novel, The Adventures of Willy the Wizard, to the fourth novel of the series, . The suit followed a similar case last year, in which the trustee sued the UK publisher of the series,. Both of these cases are currently pending.

The complaint stated that in both books, the protagonists "are required to deduce the exact nature of the central task in the competition", and had done so in a bathroom. Both books also involved "rescuing hostages imprisoned by a community of half-human, half-animal creatures." The suit also claimed that, a literary agent of Rowling, was originally the literary agent of Jacobs. The claim was denied by Scholastic.

Scholastic called the claim "completely without merit". They pointed out that Rowling had said in February that she had never read Jacobs' book. The trustee said that the US was the world's largest foreign market, so they brought their first overseas action there. He demanded that all copies of the Harry Potter novel be destroyed, and all the profit made by the book given to him.


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The Canadian and Australian dollar share the $ it is common for ALL countries that use the dollar. I hate to be a nit picker, but Canada's economy didn't crumble like everyone else's.


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This is absurd. So, we happily devour the flesh of cattle, swine, bulls, etc, and we feel sorry for cats and canines. That's plain species discrimination.


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Meat eaters don't purposely injure food animals and leave them to die. Animal welfare charities like the RSPCA also promote better conditions for farm animals, and prosecute farmers for cruelty. ( http://www.rspca.org.uk/freedomfood/aboutus/-/article/FF_AboutUs )


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Comments:First international flight lands at Delhi airport's new Terminal 3

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Great to hear such news —202.168.94.17 (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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how many flight land in delhi —164.100.194.5 (talk) 12:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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Can be expanded —Ankitbhatt (talk) 08:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


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You clearly don't understand the difference between cruelty and just killing an animal; it's different to make an animal suffer than to just end it's life. Getting pleasure from seeing living things suffer is not only psychotic but also criminal, I hope they find whoever is responsible. --Sampi (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


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Hello,

Your recent contributions are considered to be spam and have been reverted or deleted. Should you believe that your contributions are not spam, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further spamming may result in your editing privileges being removed. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Diego Grez return fire 16:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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'The other currencies with a symbol...' A very odd claim. Canadian dollars, Australian dollars, Barbadian dollars, Colombian pesos, Mexican pesos, Guernsey pounds, Falklands pounds... etc., etc.


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See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies


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Please feel free to leave a message here, but be sure to notify me at my Wikipedia talk page because I check there much more often. THANK YOU!!--Paulmcdonald (talk) 05:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Or indeed Currency sign, where there are dozens. I was quite puzzled by that bit of the article myself. It looks like it could come from a misreading of the Reuters article.


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Thread:Comments:Australian Prime Minister denies striking a deal with predecessor/Parliamentary System Flawed

The problem with the system is that nobody really votes for a change in the Prime Ministers office. Who elected this woman, apart from her local constituents?

Who decides who will lead the country: the politicians, the crown's representative or the public?!

Another weakness of the parliamentary system is that there are no free votes on major issues without the government falling.

Canada has a similarly flawed system. In the case of a minority government, it can be unclear which party should rule. Does the Governor General have the right to decide?


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Same-sex marriage legalized in Argentina

July 15, 2010

In the early hours of Thursday July 15, Argentina's approved legislation that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide, making it the first country in Latin America and the  to do so.

The law, which also allows same-sex couples to adopt, was voted on at 0400 local time (0800 UTC), after 14 hours of debate, and passed with 33 votes in favor to 27 opposed with three abstentions. Since the of Argentina's government has already approved the bill and   is in favor of the bill, it is expected to enter into law in only a few days, once it is published in Argentina's official bulletin.

The legislation, backed by President Fernandez's government, was the subject of a campaign by the Roman Catholic Church and other religious groups, which held rallies against it, including a march on Argentina's Congress, and encouraged citizens to protest the bill. Cardinal, as part of his opposition to the bill, said that "children need to have the right to be raised and educated by a father and a mother."

Members of Senate were divided in their views of the bill. One senator,, said that "[m]arriage between a man and a woman has existed for centuries, and is essential for the perpetuation of the species." Speaking in favor of the bill, another senator,, said that "[s]ociety has grown up. We aren't the same as we were before."

Argentina will become the tenth country in the world to legalize same-sex marriages, after the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, and Iceland. Elsewhere in Latin America, same-sex civil unions have been legalized in Uruguay and in parts of Mexico and Brazil. Mexico City legalized same-sex marriage in 2009.


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you have to remember that australians are retarded to start with they are sick the dog probably got fucked first your average aussie has the IQ of a sparrow nothing would surprise me when it comes to these inbreed red necks


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Fire strikes Slovak Academy of Sciences

July 17, 2010

The Virology Institute of the (SAS) in Bratislava was severely damaged by fire. The flames reportedly reached as high as one hundred meters. The fire most likely started from the gas tank used for oxy-fuel welding during the building's restoration process, SAS speaker Viera Rosová said.

Firefighters from all Bratislava fire-stations took part in the fire-fighting operation. The situation was complicated by dense smoke, necessitating the use of gas masks.

Thanks to a quick evacuation of SAS employees and construction workers, none were injured. However, some equipment of the top-level scientific facility was damaged and various research projects will be affected as well, Rosová admitted. The "software unit containing information of incalculable value" was rescued in time, reports say.

There is no danger of toxic spills or leak of viruses. The micro-biotic organisms studied in the institute are safely stored and infected animals were not held in this building. The institute owns about two thousand animals. The virology samples will be destroyed as the coolers went out of service after the power supply was cut for security reasons during fire-fighting. The SAS vice-chairman Albert Beier estimated the value of the cooler boxes to be close to two million. "They often contain a life-long work of our researchers," he added.

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Ghana vs USA in World Cup
Should it be made more prominent in Ghana beat United States of America 2-1 in Group E that it refers to the 2006 World Cup, and not today's match? It's the most popular article of Wikinews right now :/ Perhaps a move to 2006 FIFA World Cup: Ghana beat United States of America 2-1 in Group E would do the job? Matthewedwards (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting coincidence, and could be confusing if one doesn't notice the date. At the same time though, I don't really like changing archived articles, and this seems to have lost interest based on the popular articles counter, so I'd say leave it as-is. Tempodivalse [talk]  04:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

On a related note, the top site search result for oil spill gulf of mexico is a 2006 article ([[Oil spill reported in Gulf of Mexico]). A move would update the date in the search results pages, (currently 2007 for the oil article, and 2009 for the soccer) and make the situation worse.
 * would it be possible to order search results by date, with the old relevance option available as an option? Makes more sense, IMO. Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 10:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:Diego_Grez/Wikinews_interviews_a_Wikimedia_Commons_administrator_regarding_the_sexual_content_controversy
So, if the other interviewee manages to delay it a while, the hours of time I volunteered for being interviewed get thrown out, because it's stale?

Don't ever expect me to volunteer time to your project again. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that the interview really should get published, as it discusses something that is still relevant today. It's not as if the controversy on Commons has stopped... Benny the mascot (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I tried to start a discussion about how to save it, but instead Diego just userfied it. So that was that. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well technically Diego doesn't "own" the article at this point. We can do whatever we want with it. Benny the mascot (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do what you want. I userfied it because I don't wanted the article deleted. --Diego Grez return fire 17:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Delays happen because our community is so small. Anyway, if you wait long enough, more things emerge to make the interview newsworthy again. See New board resolution. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I've been treated like shit throughout this process. It's been two weeks since I was promised that people were working to revise it - during which time not a damn thing happened.
 * There were public statements made by Jimbo and the Foundation. You could've used them when Jimbo was playuing his little games to bury the article by refusing response. Instead, you decided to bugger over the person you begged for an interview. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Could I ask you to take into account the inexperience of a number of us at Wikinews? There are some great writers here, and some who have just dipped their toes into news gathering: all are welcome to offer their best work and hope for publication.
 * A piece based on your interview finally made it over the review hurdle: Wikimedia Foundation addresses controversial content conflict. I fear you will find the short quotation will not be worth the time you invested in the conversation.  Nevertheless this morning, it makes the 4th result of a Google News search for Wikimedia.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Czech train derails
At this moment, our article Czech train derails, at least one dead is the number one Google News result for usti (sic) train derails and one of only three relevant results for czech train crash. I suggest that, as a public service, Wikinewsies should keep a close eye on the accuracy of this one, and consult language experts where necessary. --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Newcomers' tour
I've heard some complaints from people that it's difficult for a newbie to get involved in Wikinews without immediately becoming overwhelmed by our long, TLDR style policies. Because of that, I've created Newcomers' tour as a sort of "jump-start" guide to get people up and writing in a fairly short, step-by-step, easy-to-digest manner. I'd like to hear feedback on it; ideally I want it to be prominently displayed on our welcome template. Thanks. Tempodivalse [talk]  21:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As I put the majority of work into the current welcome template, I'd like to offer some feedback. Please take it as a constructive critique.
 * The template/style of the 'tour' does not fit with the colour scheme and other aspects used on the main page, and in the welcome template.
 * The links between each step of the tour are not particularly cleanly implemented. "Tied together with bailing twine" is probably a bit harsh, but might convey what I want to put across.
 * When encouraging people to contribute articles, there's an obvious point in pasting the source template multiple times that, from my experience, is going to lead to unreviewable articles where someone throws the kitchen sink at a submission. That particular element of your tour is also too long.
 * I copied Wikipedia's article creation template some time ago, but never finished revamping it for local use. It would be more useful than this.
 * You have a redlink on the last section.
 * It is a good idea, but the above points should be dealt with. I would favour, if people are going to put this sort of work in, looking at the Wikipedia article wizard. -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talk • main talk 07:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comments. It's still something of a work in progress, so things aren't completely "settled" yet. I've fixed the redlink - completely forgot about that. As far as the "style" and formatting was concerned, the layout idea was partially stolen from Wikiversity's newcomers' tour, mainly because I'm bad with wiki-syntax. I suppose it could be changed to resemble the main page's layout more.
 * I've also made a mention of using only the sources you absolutely need - that's a good point. I still think it would be better to explain the source formatting in more detail, because in my experience many people have had difficulties with it.
 * Could you point me to the WP article creation template? Perhaps I can incorporate some of its features into the welcome tour (although, IIRC, that one wasn't as focussed on getting people to write.) Tempodivalse [talk]  14:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Pride London 2010
I speak English only little... Can You supplemented this news? - Złe Mzimu (plWikinews) (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Diego's post office photo
I can no longer see the post office image:, as used in I could not easily spot the reason, so I posted this question: Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#File was there on Monday, but shows 'failed upload' today

--InfantGorilla (talk) 12:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

A Commons admin responded (with surprise), and I passed the suggestion on to Diego at his talk page. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The picture was re-uploaded as File:Pichilemu post office demolition.jpg. Thanks for noticing me! Diego Grez return fire 18:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

New username
Hi all, so now I have decided to redeeme myself and would like to keep writing articles for Wikinews but I do not want to use my current account anymore. I want to register a new username if Wikinews community will alolw me. Please comment. --Saki (talk) 06:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Pah. You're more trouble than you're worth. I will arrange the renames required to get you back to, and you can live with your history of causing problems. Or, you can walk away and come back when you have grown up. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

You've used so many different usernames its hard to keep track, and beyond the point of reasonableness. I feel that you should either stick to your current username, or ask to be renamed to your original Saqib. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Please stick with just one username. This is bordering on disruptive again . Diego Grez return fire 22:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I'd rather that you stuck to one username. You've had so many renames in the past that it's difficult to keep track of them all. If you want to try and get a "fresh start" with Wikinews, I'd suggest you try your best to follow our policies under this account, be productive, and not step on people's toes. If you can do it and show that you clearly want to help us, the community will likely eventually be willing to forgive and forget. Tempodivalse [talk]  17:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia_Foundation_addresses_controversial_content_conflict
So, after all the handwringing about how my interview is stale (User:Diego_Grez/Wikinews_interviews_a_Wikimedia_Commons_administrator_regarding_the_sexual_content_controversy, you decide that if the Foundation gives you a statement, then that gets published.

Evidently, it's newsworthy only if one particular side gives a statement. If the OTHER side gives a statement, it's rubbish, and should be deleted.

Thanks for wasting my time.

Fuck you all.

Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mhm...noticed the part where there's a quote from you in that story? C628 (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I also noticed how it does not identify who I'm talking about, makes it sound as if the interview was published, and turns several hours of my time into a single soundbyte. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You've obviously never given CNN an interview before, or been interviewed for a documentary. The common response to such interviews is this: "it took 8 hours of filming and 45 minutes of hair and makeup to get that 10 second soundbyte? Arrrrrrggg!" People ramble in interviews. They say a lot of uninteresting things. Sometimes 8 hours of footage only has 10 seconds of useful material. That's just life.

 * Reading your interview though, I'd say that wasn't the issue here. I'm not sure why you were interviewed in the first place, since you weren't a notable participant in the incident(s) in question. Since you weren't a notable person of interest, the only other explanation I can think of is that your interview was intended as the online equivalent of the "man in the street" type interview. Most such interviews that are conducted by news organizations are discarded as worthless, so the fact that you were quoted at all is unusual. Gopher65talk 18:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Right. Got it. The views of the people against Jimbo are non-notable, even if my views were pretty much the majority view on Commons. Only Jimbo and the foundation are notable, NOONE on the other side.
 * I stand by my statement: Fuck you all. I was quoted in newspaper coverage of this. I volunteered because I was *assured* the interview would be published, and that it would be a chance to give a more nuanced view than the out-of-context quote in PC World. Instead, when I asked why it hadn't been published, I was told that the interviewer was waiting for Jimbo Wales - and had been for two weeks. Then, instead of publishing it, or trying to get material from elsewhere, it was buried.
 * Then, you make it clear that a post on Foundation-l is enough to get a news story, but not a story I volunteered for because one of your interviewers approached me.
 * Waste. Of. My. Time. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

 * We apologised. It is too late to fix it.  We are truly sorry.  --InfantGorilla (talk) 06:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, we don't apologize. Yes, you are not notable as Jimbo is. You're just some random guy off the street who claims that his views "represent the majority". Evidence? None. Just your word. If we took the word of every nut who told us that they represented The Real Truth As Only They Can Know It, we'd spend all our time publishing conspiracy theories and other garbage. So what exactly is it that makes you as notable as the board of the WMF, a multimillion dollar a year charity? What exactly? Nothing, that's what. You're just... a guy. That's it. Just some guy. Just some guy standing on a (virtual) street corner waving a protest sign. Just some guy who thinks that protest sign makes him as important as the self appointed president-for-life of the (supposedly) evil organization that he's protesting. Well you know what? It doesn't, and you aren't. The community as a whole is important. No single member is important. That's the nature of a wiki. If you're disputing that, then you're guilty of exactly the same type of anti-wiki behaviour that you (mostly correctly, if without civility) accuse Jimbo of engaging in. Gopher65talk 13:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict with gopher) I'm sorry if you feel insulted, but such is the nature of news. We don't, as you're implying, want to be the WMF's yes-man and only provide their POV. The main concern with the story is what Gopher65 highlights above: bluntly speaking, you're not noteworthy. Most news sources generally don't conduct or publish full-blown interviews for people "off the street" that don't stand out - usually just a few quotes at most, which is what we did. A WMF board member is more notable interview material. It probably wasn't a good idea for Diego to 100% guarantee the interview would be published, since such things are rarely certain - articles get failed for unforseen issues all the time. Tempodivalse [talk]  14:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * One clarification: The issue is noteworthiness of the interview, relative to the newsworthy event.  Although it's true that an interview with Adam Cuerden, Pi zero, or anyone else in this discussion would not in itself be newsworthy in the absence of a related newsworthy event — that's hardly surprising.  The newsworthy event is the controversy as a whole, and in order to publish the interview one would have to have successfully pitched it as of interest relative to that.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree that interview was totally non-newsworthy (it perhaps wasn't the most newsworthy of things though). If it was more timely, I think it could have been published. I'm also sorry you feel you had your time wasted. However with that said, these things sometimes happen, I suggest you move on with life. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr Cuerden: please note two particular points:
 * The article which was published is about the WMF Board action - not about Mr Wales or what happened on Commons directly.
 * Your interview, which would otherwise have been destined for the bit bin, is now enshrined in Wikinews history to serve as a record for original reporting - and thus is preserved to use as a reference regarding this particular scandal.
 * While I appreciate the time and effort you invested in both this story and in helping out Wikinews, and your feeling more should have been done with it in a more-timely fashion, Wikinews is not a soapbox for any one POV and I believe, if you are honest with yourself, you will admit publishing your interview would have been exactly that - publishing a soapbox rant. I believe if you look at our recent history en.Wikinews has avoided coverage of Foundation drama for several years - your story is the first I can recall in quite some time. That it was published at all is a testament to how serious the story is, and how well you presented your position. -  Amgine | t 16:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

A ridiculous situation
First of all, I'm an old time contributor to Wikimedia projects. My native language Wikipedia - counting way more than 100k articles today - was a little over 1000 articles when I first began contributing. I'm not the regular guy who just comes here to say, "this sucks".

That being said, what I think when I look at these news from Pichilemu is: this sucks. It's just ludicrous to see how this tiny, mostly irrelevant hamlet in Chile makes it very often to the headlines on the Wikipedia current events page. It is apparent that this is the product of some geeky teenager with too few friends and too much time on his hands.

Geez, there's even a Pichilemu portal! I mean, get real, folks. It just adds to the perception that Wikimedia projects aren't serious when one can clearly notice that Wikinews coverage is, in this case, not nearly related to the objective situation of what's newsworthy, arising instead from an individual's (or a clique's) lack of better things to do. Mind you, there's no intention here of demeaning Pichilemu or its inhabitants; it's certainly a respectable, nice place (especially considering it's in Chile!), it just isn't so important as to deserve such an extensive coverage from a news outlet purportedly covering the whole world. Pichilemuans would probably agree that news pertaining to the replacement of the church doors belong in the town paper rather than with the report on the Pope's terminal illness and whatnot. Dun Beknownst (talk) 03:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * That's an interesting perspective. On en.Wikinews we generally accept any news which may be of interest to a neighborhood or larger audience. Generally news of an extremely local nature will not be placed as one of our lead articles (we have 5 slots for lead articles on the main page.)

 * Wikinews, like all wiki projects, has contributors who work on what is interesting to them. For many active contributors that is synthesis articles of news already published elsewhere. For some it is original news coverage, often of very personal interest to the main contributor. If that's Formula One racing, or astronomy, or when the local bike trail is opened it's all the same to us: good news with a very local interest. Do you really think we should not cover the Kitsap Peninsula School Board meetings just because you are not interested? Pretty boring subject to anyone not influenced by that school board, just like the arguments of your government's officials to someone who doesn't even know what kind of government you live under. Wikinews is not limited to only covering news of world-wide general interest; we are limited to what our contributors wish to contribute. -  Amgine | t 03:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Simple solution. Start writing lots of articles "of interest to an international audience". Better still, round up a few more people to pitch in. It's far too easy to sit back and criticise others who take the time and effort to write something, especially on a site manned by volunteers. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews aim is to develop a worldwide network of reporters. Unlike mainstream news, we don't pay people to fly to hot news, but instead hope that a reporter lives near news when it happens. When we have a thousand reporters, the news of global importance will come to the front page, and there will be room for local news on the site somewhere. Until then, when a Pichilemu resident reports about church doors, it will probably get a share of time on the front page, though someone uploads original photographs from March's earthquake it will get extra recognition as a featured article. I don't expect I would have much time to contribute to the world's knowledge if my town was badly damaged by an earthquake.

The point of a local portal is to give a 'front page' for local news, when it is crowded out of the main page by regional and global stories. (I can't find the article about church doors that you mentioned.)

--InfantGorilla (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

First of all, it isn't a hamlet. Secondly, it is a provincial capital (specifically from Cardenal Caro) and has 12,400 inhabitants. Perhaps Pichilemu's news aren't of world interest, but earthquakes happen frequently in the area, important surf championships take place there too. I haven't written about church doors. And, instead of criticizing what people writes, why don't you go and write something "of world-wide interest"? And it isn't Pichilemuans, but Pichileminians. Diego Grez return fire 20:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

 * /me likes the local news. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, wonderful, we can publish articles on a local surfing competition. Huzzah! What we can't do is manage to present even the slightest semblance of covering all major international news. Russian subway bombings in March. One of the bigger stories of the year. Look at our archives. For all someone using us as a source would know, it never happened. Never ran a single story on it (there was one a month and a half later, on a related story. Whee.) Bloody wonderful news site, aren't we? And it's not just a one-off thing. Happens all the time. Look at today. Wikileaks thing. Headline on every damn site on the internet. We ain't got a thing published. There's an article in development. It'll get published some time tomorrow, by which point there'll be a new big story we'll miss. In the meantime, we're publishing stuff about snooker (wtf is snooker?), some obscure football match, a little, insignificant brush fire (brush fires are a dime a dozen in the summer), a "minor aftershock" in aforementioned Pichilemeu (it caused "no damage or casualties." Who cares, then?), and some crap about a man disguised as Darth Vader. Darth Vader!!! Iran's getting sanctioned, 20 people in Iraq died, 20 Navy ships are blowing shit up off Korea, and we're writing about Darth Vader!!! What the fuck? C628 (talk) 23:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So why don't you write about that. We aren't as much people as CNN have. If you have a fucking shit against the news XYZ write, then get the fuck out, soit YOU. If just I could speak better English, I would write more articles, because I do have enough time to write +20 articles a day, but I can't. Diego Grez return fire 01:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Were you involved at the time? Was there a reason you did not cover it? People scratch the itch they have, and this project is a thing of wonder when you get a dozen-plus clueful people hitting a major story. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn right there's a reason I don't write about it. I've got a real life to take care of, at the immediate moment vacation, but also summer jobs that take up generally at least four hours a day,and then school. I'm a volunteer, and the moment I begin neglecting real life for this or any online project I'll leave. C628 (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh-huh. Haven't we all got real lives? --Brian McNeil / talk 04:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure what that's supposed to imply, but I am quite sure I don't like it. C628 (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with writing about surf competitions and aftershocks in Pichilemu. OK, so not internationally significant, so maybe many readers don't give a crap, but if we can get a decent article out on it, why the hell shouldn't we publish it? I do, however, agree with C628's point to an extent. If Wikinews wants to be taken seriously as a news service, we need to get articles of at least reasonable quality (even if half the content is a cut and paste from VoA) published while it's still news! For example, the snooker player who died on Saturday- his article was only just published to day, just as it ceases to be news! The Wikileaks story? We might have a decent article sometime tomorrow, but it's today that it was the story on all the front pages. Wikipedia has a good-quality article on it, it's on "In the news" section of the WP Main Page. Now, Wikipedia's In the news section (ITN) is "staffed" by less than half a dozen admins (the template itself is fully protected) including myself and we have to get consensus for every addition, yet we still manage to get things up quicker than a news site. This isn't a criticism of any individual nor as a snarky "Wikipedia is better than Wikinews", but I do think more people need to focus on writing articles for these major events that every reputable news agency is covering and, as important, those with the reviewer bit need to do more reviewing- if an article has waited 40 hours to be published, it's barely news. Yes, it requires a bit of time and effort, but it's the second most important task there is here. This is a news site, so its purpose is to get news written and published- everything else is secondary. Quite frankly, I think the project needs to wake up and realise that. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   00:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Might I, not particularly respectfully, ask why in hell you'd cut 'n' paste from a US government propaganda source? The tired, old, VoA debate has been done to death here; inherent bias. --Brian McNeil / talk 04:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think entire articles should be cut and pasted from VoA, but if part of an article that's not extremely contentious is, or if the opposing viewpoint is also mentioned, I'm fine with it if it allows us to get an article out in an hour instead of ten. I also don't think VoA has an extreme bias, they're not the best, but they're good. C628 (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

VoA has, in a lot of ways, a professional bias. Every single word choice is influenced by that. This is the discussion I've seen done-to-death. When VoA says someone is a terrorist, is that a considered opinion or a statement of the government's official position? Have they been convicted of terrorism offences? Has a legal authority issued warrants for their arrest? A lot of good points have been made against the practice in the past. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 * (off on a different tangent) I read Wikinews for the content not covered elsewhere. Some people might not like the local content, thats fine - they don't have to read it. Personally I find something about the argument that everyone else is doing x, therefor we must abandon everything so we can do x as well, weird. However if people want to do whatever everyone else is doing, all the power to them. There is more then enough room for both groups to do as they wish. Wiki's are do-ocracies. People should do what they want to, not tell other people that what they're currently doing is wrong, and they should do blah instead. As the wikipedians say, sofixit. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I am 100% behind Bawolff and Brian on this one. Yes, while I would love to see us hit the big stories (Wikileaks anyone?), I really enjoy getting news that would never be covered by any other news source. I've learned more about Australian Rules Football (and how to pronounce those marbles in mouth team names lol), Chile, famous snooker players (though I'm still not exactly sure what snooker is - pool?) and tons of other stuff. For me, having to read the news each day, it's refreshing to learn about something other than what is on NPR and the BBC. However, I would like to see more of a balance in the "smaller" stories with the bigger, but to be fair, even my own written contribution has been on a sport where everyone turns left all day long - not exactly hard hitting stuff (unless they hit a wall). Of course the biggest advantage we have is that over the years wikinews has been around, we have an archive of stories that paint a much different picture of the world than, say, CNN. We can run a story on a "church door" right next to an atomic bomb going off in Bruges. It's all news, it's all happening on Earth, it all involves people in some way, and most important, the stories we choose to write are usually much better than what some lackey intern can bang out on their WP at the Podunk Times because, get this, we actually care about the stories we are writing about. Hell, half the drama around here (good or bad) is because everyone is defending their work in one way or another. But if we were forced to write about what the hot topic is everyday, we'd get bored, stop yelling and swearing at each other and decide wanking it would be a more productive way to spend an afternoon at the computer than pouring hours and hours into a news story. Damn, I really rambled on there. Turtlestack (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

At

Google News will publish anyone ...
... including a site that republishes Wikinews and Al Jazeera, complete with spelling mistakes and without attribution.

I am pleased that Wikinews is syndicated, but it does mean that you can't choose your company.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 15:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I contacted them regarding the failure to attribute Wikinews to the content. They are located in Las Vegas, so they should reply soon, being in the same time zone. This is not the first time I find myself contacting a news agency because they fail to attribute properly.
 * And, Google News does still list us for OR. See . — Mike moral  ♪♫  19:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They list us for both OR content and non-OR content - . What is the point of this thread? Bawolff ☺☻ 19:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think I set up Google Alerts wrong then. :p — Mike moral  ♪♫  20:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting them. I was thinking about dredging through my email archives to find a copy of the last letter on the same subject a fellow Wikinewsie sent. It might be useful to have a copy somewhere that we can use in similar situations, in order to avoid reinventing the wheel. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It invariably requires repeat, polite, reminders. Unfortunately, you need to check things carefully. If they don't follow all the rules laid out in the "You can copy" instructions (down to images), they need more gentle prodding. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Google News will list blogs, but makes notable distinctions in how they present them to readers. I had several conversations with them about this, including getting locale &c corrected. We should be put in the same class as the BBC and NYC as far as how they present us to the general public. I've certainly seen our stories put top where we've the most in-depth stuff and you search for a topic/story. Approached correctly, they're pretty good. I really want to see more than just enWN listed with them (it helps us all), but none of the other langs have got back to me and confirmed they've implemented as-rigorous review standards. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Very short articles as leads
I promoted a very short article Twin car bomb kills 20 in Iraq to main page third lead today. It seems I have started a trend, as three more similarly short articles (with 4 or 5 to 6 sentences) have made their way to the lead templates. Only two of the five main page leads are a decent length at this moment.

Nearly all of our output today has been what I would call briefs. Technically, they are three paragraphs, but only just. If that is what people want to write at the moment, that is how it is, but I don't think a sheaf of main page leads is the right place for them, so I now regret posting the car bomb article as a lead. Our practice has been to combine briefs into one article, (Wikinews Shorts: July 27, 2010), though other language Wikinews sites have a special category of article.

The practice of combining briefs into a single page began before Dynamic Page Lists, and before Flagged Revisions. It seems to me that an attempt to make a combined set of briefs is usually scuppered by the Flagged Revisions workflow (wait for enough briefs, reviewer doesn't have interest in all the topics, so briefs get published more slowly than full articles, rather than quicker.) The Dynamic Page Lists should allow us to design an appropriate presentation of briefs on the main page.

 * 1) What should we do with the main page today?  I am not proud of so many leads being so short, but I don't have time to write a long story, or lengthen those.
 * 2) Can we come up with a proposal for dealing with briefs in the future?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't think of anything offhand. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we need a big, prominent "news in brief" link on the Main Page. I don't think short articles on the Main Page is really a big problem as long as the articles provide sufficient detail which, I think, is a better measure than an arbitrary number of paragraphs, though that can be a useful yardstick. There are situations where even a decent-sized article couldn't sufficiently cover a story in enough detail to be sufficient. <font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">HJ Mitchell | <font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts?   19:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that would solve the review problem. What bothers me is that 3 paragraphs made up of two short sentences each is pretty poor when it comes to having at least a third of that used when the story appears on a lead. I meant a technical solution to consolidating briefs and keeping the review workflow functional. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We could make each sub-article its own page like any other article, but with a template saying it's a brief that keeps it off the main DPL. Each brief can be reviewed individually like a normal article, and then when published it gets transcluded onto a daily "Wikinews Shorts" page. This should also solve another annoying issue with briefs - at the moment they are near useless when browsing categories because of their non-descriptive headlines. the wub "?!"  22:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Banging into MediaWiki limits here,... Ideally want a page that - in effect - is a DPL of the last X days "brief" segments. How it might impact more in-depth stuff, I don't know. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically easy. Difficult to get people to organize the articles/categories without easy templates and javascript tools. - <span style="font: italic 10pt/12pt cursive;"> Amgine | t 14:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Request an interview?
Has Request an interview always been a backwater? --InfantGorilla (talk) 07:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ethics of jokes and verbal abuse
Two things in today's story that might be of interest
 * http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/07/gill-dyke-balding-presenter
 * 1) The headline story about the ethics of name calling and jokes
 * 2) The comment by Beatrice Bray about the ethics of moderating comments and opinions from readers (presumably connected with her piece of Apr 23 "We want to show the public how to use terms like "schizophrenia", "psychosis" and "bipolar" in the correct way.")

On the same subject, here is something that will make you smile: --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7918465/Vicar-tells-churchgoers-to-swear-more.html


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Wikinews:Water cooler/technical/archives/2010/July

Category merge bot?
Do we have a bot with edit protected user rights that could merge the redundant categories Wikimedia and Wikimedia Foundation ?

If so, I will propose a merge at WN:DR

--InfantGorilla (talk) 10:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note there are only two articles in cat wikimedia but not cat wmf:

 category=Wikimedia notcategory=Wikimedia Foundation

 * As for bots to do this, I could probably do it. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

 * That is good to know. I will propose it when I have a little time. --InfantGorilla (talk) 18:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

"Older News"
Dear Wikinews, I would like to access news that occurred last month. How can I do that? Thanks, Reader
 * Category:June 2010 -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Copy Pasta!!!
Template:Social bookmarks -- Template:Strategic priorities. Noticed this, thought it was amusing. Our influence (even if they dont admit it) grows. Muwahahaha -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice catch! I do keep pointing out to people that Wikinews is where many good ideas come from. Seeing strategy "purloin" the social bookmarks one is just perfect. Do they need a little nag to credit us for that, and for experimenting on ourselves with Vector? -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talk • main talk 07:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Main page displays only its left half, for the right half I have to use my horizontal scroll. Some other pp @ News also display partially this way.
I visit and edit Wikipedia's In The News section [ITN] and other sections of WP and I don't have any display problems there.

I'm using XP Home w/ Service Pack 3 & updated Internet Explorer 7. I have many Security Settings in IE disabled including Java, Java script and all of Active X.

I hope you can help me.

Thanks, 63.138.70.132 (talk) 00:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The current main page design relies on Javascript. See if you get better results with Mozilla Firefox or Safari. --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The main page uses Javascript. We promise we won't hurt anything. Also, consider trying a different screen resolution: At lower resolutions, some horizontal scrolling may be experienced. Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 19:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

 * When I designed the main page, I tested it down to 1024x768. It will scale down without scrolling (I just brought it up in IE8 also).  Anything less than 1024, you're out of luck.  As for Javascript, Vector relies on it heavily.  Our specific main page content does not, though it does use a lot of CSS.  In IE8 and IE8 compatibility mode (which is roughly IE6), it is fine. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 20:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To be honest, anybody using all those security features has to expect the Internet to display wrongly. Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 20:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note, stuff should still look fine without javascript (even the vector stuff, it degrades gracefully - most of the time). Our main page scrolls horizontally on lower resolutions. Increasing your display resolution to 1024x768 should fix the problem. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The tinfoil is itchy, isn't it? --Brian McNeil / talk 22:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all for your prompt suggestions.63.138.70.132 (talk) 22:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI, I lowered my resolution from my usual 1280x1024 to 1024x768 and that didn't fix the prob. Neither did enabling JavaScript, altho I didn't try them in combination since the res change messed up my carefully balanced deskstop. Anyway, cheers. 63.138.70.132 (talk) 23:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well 1024 is the minimum. Anything above that will work.  Since your beyond that, if you have scrolling, it is something on your machine.  Either IE7 or some security functionality.  Have you tried a real browser like Firefox? -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ty for your suggestion. As I originally posted, I don't have this display issue in Wikipedia. As for Firefox, I tried it early on and it caused probs. IE has its issues but I think I've learned to neutralize most of them. Most sites on the net display reasonably well w/ my disabled settings. 63.138.70.132 (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, this display issue is directly related to the Text Size setting in IE 7's View: the smaller the text size, the less horizontal scroll is needed to display the entire page. 63.138.70.132 (talk) 18:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

New gadget: Show access keys
Hi all. You may or may not know that Wikinews has a load of keyboard shortcuts. Well I for one know they exist, but can never remember what they all are! Luckily I found a bit of CSS that displays them next to the relevant link, and I put it in my user css. But then I thought other people might want to use it, so I made my first Gadget. Tested on IE8, Firefox 3.6, Chrome 5 - all seem to work fine. Note that different browsers work in different ways - see the access keys article or hover over a link to see what combination of keys you need to press. the wub "?!"  18:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a neat idea, thanks for sharing! Tyrol5 (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd note that accesskey's are usually already shown in the elements tooltip, but cool gadget nonetheless. Bawolff ☺☻

Redirects, reviews, and SEO
Few points here...

 * 1) Redirects should not be sighted unless they are created as a result of a title change post-publish (I'm looking at you, Diego).
 * 2) At review-time, there is a need to decide what to do about any redirects.
 * 3) Does anyone know about current, ethical, SEO? Basically, what could be done on-wiki.

For 2 above, I'm tending towards zapping redirects, but very much dependent on what people think about 3. Remember, ''Wikinews is not Wikipedia; to be the whole thing boils down to what best increases the visibility of our articles. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I would guess the Google News algorithms are quite different from Google's normal ones. The order news items are presented in seems to vary a lot, you don't always get the big sources dominating at the top, which is obviously good for us. There's a few snippets of info here, but they all seem rather obvious. Relevant links from Wikipedia articles should be very helpful (afaik interwikis don't have "nofollow" set), getting those up right after publishing has to be a priority. Actively encouraging people to re-use and attribute our content more could help too. What we can do on-wiki I don't know, apart from turning out lots of good-quality content with interesting headlines. the wub "?!"  09:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Personally I've always felt that SEO is mostly a load of crap, but thats just me. I do not see what is wrong with redirects. If at one point an article was named something, somebody somewhere might look it up under that title, and if the redirect is not there, they will not find the article, which is bad. What harm do redirects pose? Bawolff ☺☻ 20:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bad redirects are embarrassing. "We dun using bad grandmar". --Brian McNeil / talk 23:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to follow up, Bawolff; I don't see the point on keeping pre-publish redircts hanging around, they've never been submitted to GNews. It is having that junk in the main Google index I'd prefer to avoid. I do pretty much agree with the wub, it is down to having quality content with good headines. Looking at my last BT story, as seen from GNews uk, it was the top entry for a search for "British Telecom" for over 12 hours. What I really want is to get the new MakeLead widget sorted. I think once we start hitting Portals with leads as well as the main page we'l have certain useful pagerank-enhancing scores. And, yes, the other important point is getting interwiki links (which do not specify NOFOLLOW); links from Wikipedia are very valuable SEO-wise. That's why those pesky spammers keep turning up here. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just found this article, which has more specific tips on SEO. It looks like original content does receive a big boost, so featuring that prominently (as we do) is good. That doesn't mean we should cut back on synthesis articles though, as volume and breadth of coverage produced also factors into our overall rankings.
 * Of the little things, there doesn't seem to be much that we aren't doing already. Putting alt text on images is one minor point, but I was already thinking about having a push for improved accessibility which would include that anyway. the wub "?!"  15:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Things to keep in mind:
 * RDF/context tagging does have weight in Google News: note how bloggers are using it.
 * Pre-publish redirects can be helpful - there are occasions when various blogs, forums, etc., link to our developing stories, and tend to do so very very early in their development if they do at all (especially topics like Scientology, abortion, marriage equality.) Keep in mind it costs more (computing time, storage) to delete a redirect than to leave it alone.
 * SEO is a multi-billion dollar industry annually. That means it works in developing/maintaining traffic, even if it's evil and annoying.
 * Bawolff: is it possible to build a gadget which can pop a template into en.WP articles? can it also make suggestions of which en.WP articles to do based on something like article title, en.WP-links in the article?
 * -  Amgine | t 15:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note on having that junk in the main Google index I'd prefer to avoid - Mediawiki uses  to denote redirects, which in theory should stop them from appearing in main google index. Amgine: It is possible to make such a gadget, but I don't think there's much more one can do that would improve upon doing it manually. Last of all, RDF/context tagging - people care about semantic web!!! I find that somewhat surprising. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * He Said Semantic!
 * The benefit to the gadget is: contributor clicks on something, gets a list of possible articles and clicks on one... voilá! As opposed to clicks on something, opens section for editing, types . My guess is we'd get a lot more people willing to spam^H^H^H^Hspread wikinews links with the former than the latter. And a summarry of " n:User:Username added Wikinews link via Wikinews Linker Gadget" is a lot less likely to be instantly reverted than "Add link to Wikinews article." -  Amgine | t 21:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Newsroom ticker
Why is the ticker on the Newsroom page still broken? -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 22:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Works for me. Please describe the symptoms. --InfantGorilla (talk) 05:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also what web-browser are you using? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Broken link for posting tips
Why does this link at Requested articles not produce a formatted request?

Instead it produces just
 * 1) REDIRECT Template:New page

Did I break the page somehow?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 10:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I think I've fixed it. Almost a year ago, someone saw that Template:New page/tip was unused —probably they concluded this based on WhatLinksHere— and redirected it to Template:New page.  (The link at Requested articles doesn't show up on WhatLinksHere, of course.)  I also guessed that the tip template has been lagging behind the other and updated its header, but I admit I'm less sure that I did that right.  --Pi zero (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * After some floundering, I reverted the header change; it was just wrong (which seems obvious to me... now). --Pi zero (talk) 12:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Done You fixed it, Pi zero (and improved it.) Thanks!. Maybe tips will now be better organized. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried posting a note on the talk page of pages like that. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a /doc sub-page? (Like 'pedia cough) --InfantGorilla (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

pictures being changed on Commons
Is there a way to keep track of changes being made to pictures used on our articles? The ease with which any Commons contributor can change a picture is an WN:ARCHIVE disaster waiting to happen. Benny the mascot (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * This is a very long-standing issue. The only real solution is to host the image on en.wn. -  Amgine | t 21:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We used to have WN:CT, but no one really looked at it. This actually does not occur very often now a days. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What is being "changed"? The only changes that are supposed to happen to pictures uploaded to commons is updates for maps, or touchups for photos.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 21:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * See here for an example. Are map updates and photo touchups the only changes allowed in Commons? Map updates are probably going to be a problem for us in the future... Benny the mascot (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maps (paticularly maps showing things like how many countries have legalized gay marriage which can change easily) should probably be copied over. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no clue about the current crop of Commons contributors, but issues we have had in the past have included: 'stock' images (with generic titles) being replaced with dramatically different images of the same subject, especially politicians and airframes for some reason; images being 'improved' in resolution, when the article used the actual image size; deletion of graphic files which have been superseded by svg images; images moved to more-descriptive titles, and the original title redirect eventually re-used for a different image. The biggest problem we have had is image licensing disagreements, for example when am image is located by a wikinews contributor which is appropriately licensed, but the copyright owner later migrates to a more-restrictive license which Commons does not accept - Commons has often simply deleted these images, which is understandable but a real problem for the projects Commons is supposed to be supporting.
 * In the latter case (or any situation in which the image is going to be moved or deleted on Commons) the best solution would be for the image to be uploaded to Wikinews, which would transparently resolve the problem. For some strange reason this is a huge burden on Commons admins, even though they think it is not at all a burden on Wikinewsies to upload all freely licensed images only to Commons. -  Amgine | t 21:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Map updates are not allowed at Commons. When they happen, they affect Wikinews and other projects. See Talk:US supports UN gay rights declaration --InfantGorilla (talk) 07:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Mechanics of doing this
I'm actually sort of doodling with this idea for a bot. It should be relatively simple, actually.

Data initiation:
 * Examine all published articles, parse the raw syntax for [[ file: or [[ image: tags (didn't mediawiki also use [[ media: for a bit?), and build a table of file names used in Wikinews, date the article was published, and an id column.
 * Query the Wikinews API, populating a separate table with filename id, and whether it is present on en.wn or not.
 * Query the commons API, populating a separate table with rows of filename id, uploads/filemoves dates.

If an image is not present in Wikinews, check if any uploads/name changes occurred after publication, and dump a report.

Bot maintenance:
 * cron 1x 24 hours for newly published articles, parse for file tags, append to table.
 * rebuild both the Wikinews and commons tables, to insure most recent changes/uploads are accounted for. (Since each file will still require a single query to check for any more recent uploads/changes, this doesn't actually result in an increase in load.)

Build the same report, but only report changes since last report. -  Amgine | t 23:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * parsing raw page text is probably not that great as that doesn't catch things in templates, and image syntax is complicated (if we have ever move beyond en, fr has translated image namespace, etc). Media is still used - it give a direct link to the file - [[media:Example.png]]. Anyways it should use the api to find all the images instead of parsing wikitext. If we want to do this in real time, its fairly easy to go through the logs at commons, then look at global usage to see whats used on wikinews. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * <nod> Excellent. What benefit would there be to doing this real-time, since it's currently proposed as a monitoring? -  Amgine | t 23:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * real-time was wrong word, what i meant if we wanted to just do all the changes one-day at a time instead of doing the entire site each time. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * <nod> Yes, I thought about that, but I think Commons may have rather a few more edits per day than Wikinews has image files, so it actually ends up being less work to do a per-file query. At least, that's my assumption at this point. -  Amgine | t 23:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I tried the following query: select distinct count(*) from logging l, globalimagelinks g where l.log_timestamp > '20100717000000' and ((l.log_type='delete' and l.log_namespace=6) or (l.log_type='upload' and l.log_action='overwrite')) and g.gil_to = l.log_title and g.gil_wiki='enwikinews' ;

which should give the files which were either modified or deleted since July 17 that we use. It gave the following results: 163914main_PIA09028_a-516.jpg Nelson_Mandela-2008_(edit).jpg Flag_of_French_Guiana.svg UN-SOGR-supporters.PNG 1_The_Opera_House_in_Sydney.jpg Nuclear_Power_Plant_Cattenom.jpg US-DeptOfJustice-Seal.svg Brazil_State_SantaCatarina.svg Bawolff ☺☻ 00:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


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United States Senate passes financial overhaul bill

July 15, 2010

On Thursday, the United States Senate approved the financial overhaul package in a 60-39 vote. The bill is now awaiting 's signature.

Obama is expected to sign the legislation into law next week, and the focus now switches to how the new regulations will be implemented in the coming weeks and months. The legislation will give financial regulators significant discretion in shaping the rules.

The legislation also puts faith in regulators to spot developing problems in the financial system, and gives them the authority to act to attempt to prevent another financial crisis. The bill calls for banks to hold more money in their reserves to prepare for bad economic situations, but the details of how this will be done are also up to regulators.


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Talk:Same-sex marriage legalized in Argentina

Review of revision 1060639 [Passed]
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Please add the spanish interwiki: Argentina legaliza matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo and replace "was voted on at 0400 local time (0800 UTC). after 14 hours of debate and passed with 33 votes in favor to 27 opposed with three abstentions" with "was voted on at 0400 local time (0800 UTC). After 14 hours of debate and passed with 33 votes in favor to 27 opposed with three abstentions"

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 * Interwiki added. Punctuation fixed.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


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"Victory"
I don't see how the article passed review with this line in it: This bill is the second major domestic policy victory for Obama, after his revamp of the health care system. This is an opinion not offered in either of the two sources so far as I can see. It violates NPOV, in my opinion. I have removed it from the article. Either way (talk) 02:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The article shouldn't have been published with that NPOV failure. Diego Grez return fire 02:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it was in the Washington Post source, "was a significant legislative victory for President Obama," however I do see your point that it is kind of non-neutral. I wouldn't really call it an opinion though, it's closer to a fact - it is the second major domestic policy bill which he campaigned to have pass, and the second he managed to have passed, I don't see what's an opinion about that. Perhaps the word "victory" is a bit biased, would there be any objections if I put the sentence back in reworded in a more neutral way? - EdoDodo talk 06:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


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Robbie Williams rejoins British musical group Take That

July 16, 2010

Singer has rejoined and recorded a new album with British musical group, having departed from the group in 1995. The four other members of Take That are, , and.

Robbie Williams decided to leave Take That in 1995 to begin a solo music career; the group subsequently disbanded in 1996. In 2005, Take That was reformed as a four-piece band. Williams announced his return to Take That in November 2009.

The last album the group released before the disbanding was entitled "", which was released in 1995. A single entitled "Shame", sung by Robbie Williams and Gary Barlow, is expected to be released on October 4, 2010. The new album from Take That, which has now been recorded, is anticipated to be available from November 2010. All five members of Take That have composed songs for the album, which has currently not yet been given a title and will be issued by.

Take That member Mark Owen stated: "Getting the five of us to be in a room together, although always a dream, never actually seemed like becoming a reality. Now the reality of the five of us making a record together feels like a dream. It's been an absolute delight spending time with Rob again. But I'm still a better footballer." Jason Orange commented that he is "over the moon that Robbie's back with us, however long it lasts. I just want to enjoy our time with him. Life is beautifully strange sometimes." Robbie Williams stated that he gets "embarrassingly excited when the five of us are in a room."


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"He demanded that all copies of the Harry Potter novel be destroyed, and all the profit made by the book given to him."

The only proper response to that is "Pfffffff. Ha!"


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The Canadian dollar uses the same symbol as the US dollar. It's simply a dollar sign, not specific to a specific country.


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Thread:Comments:Facebook and UK government clash over tributes to killer/Good for Facebook

It's nice to see a company supporting free speech for once. Facebook didn't have to leave those pages up, it's a private company and owns that page; I'm glad they chose to act as a free and unrestrained nexus of expression. I don't agree with the page in question, but no speech should be censored by a government.


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I like the Queen, The Governor-General and quite frankly the idea of having a neutral head of state. However, I dislike how everyone is pitted against each other and I especially dislike how we cannot vote for a single individual to be head of government and for that individual to be then able to pick the best people regardless of party to form their cabinet...nothing gets done cause they are always fighting each other...


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