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Listening live on BBC Radio Five Live. Statements from the Metropolitan Police and the London Ambulance Service were read out - pretty much all they said is in the article. Dan100 (Talk) 09:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Morgunblaðið in Iceland and SKY News are reporting that a possible suicide bomber has been shot (Morgunblaðið says shot and killed) at the Stockwell tube station in London. BBC News is also reporting on this. The tube station has been evacuated. --Ómar Kjartan Yasin 10:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * UPDATE The BBC World Service confirmed that a man, probably of Asian origin, has been shot. Eyewitness says he was shot five times. --Ómar Kjartan Yasin 10:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Shoot to kill?
The line "The police have been given orders to shoot to kill if they believe someone is about to detonate a bomb." was added but I can't find a source for this statement.

Anyone know any more on this? --Pvtparts 10:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Take it out for now - we need sources Dan100 (Talk) 10:16, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. --Pvtparts 10:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Dan100 (Talk) 10:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The shoot to kill orders are mentioned by Sky News - - is that a reliable source? Bigpresh 10:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sky News are known to be a little 'over-excitable' - Indeed, the BBC seem that way at the moment too.
 * I would suggest that one reason that the BBC are more than usually excitable is that Wood Lane (runs past the TV Centre) was still cordoned off this morning by the police after the Shepherds Bush incident.
 * I doubt they know more than anybody else... Let's wait for a bit and get more firm sources. --Dejan Čabrilo 10:24, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea - better not to just guess at things! Bigpresh 10:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a non-statement really, because 'shoot to wound' simply doesn't exist in the armed police. It's shoot to kill or don't shoot at all. Hence the rumors the 'shootee' was a bomber, about to blow himself up. What I find interesting however, is the presence of undercover officers in the tube around the station where the bombs failed to detonate yesterday. Could suggest the police thought the bombers might come back to 'finish the job'.Adidas 10:50, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * BBC reports that police tell them they had been following the man as the result of CCTV footage from yesterday's attempted bombings. FWIW. 24.176.12.100 13:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

''Well, it's a non-statement really, because 'shoot to wound' simply doesn't exist in the armed police. It's shoot to kill or don't shoot at all'' - very true... Dan100 (Talk) 10:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

- mentions it in may 2003. Itsme 10:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Asian?
what does 'asian' mean to english speakers? is a pakistani asian, or does it mean chinese, or maybe indonesian looking? Itsme 10:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * yes that's something common in England, where 'asians' pretty much mean pakistanese or indian. For some reason chineses are called 'chineses', etc. It took me a while to get used to as well. Adidas 10:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Added a note for non-(british) english speakers. --212.50.162.251 10:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm a Brit. To me it means Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.  Otherwise I would expect 'Indian' or 'Arabic'.
 * The problem is that non-"Indian" South Asians often object to being called Indian and Arabic generaly refers to people from an Arab Country (usualy taken to be middle east and North Africa). South Asians generaly self identify themselves as "Asians" or Anglo-Asian, etc. --ElvisThePrince 11:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

That's a good point. Thank you Dan100 (Talk) 11:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Me again added metric reference for non-imperial types --ElvisThePrince 11:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could just go with the metric? (Usually just as acceptable in the UK) Comments?

Just metric will do Dan100 (Talk) 11:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

In the States, "Asian" usually refers to someone from east Asia, like Japan, China, Korea, or Vietnam. It's been used to replace "Oriental" which is sometimes seen as something of a pejorative for some reason. 24.176.12.100 13:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Is Racism raising its ugly head in this story?
"Asian" reference is weird... He could be a 4th. generation Brit from what we know so far. Do you call white people in London "Anglos"? Does this have anything to do with the story..the fact he looks "Asian"? Does that mean if he had looked chalky white he would not have been killed? If it had been a an average cockney looking chap would we be reporting that a man of caucasion origin was shot? Paulrevere2005 17:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Because what the majority of british people would call asian are in the minority. People describe and define people by the attributes which stand out - in this case his skin colour in a predominantly white country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.242.201 (talk) 11:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

automatic pistol
A bit of a moot point really, but lots of eye witnesses talk about an 'automatic pistol' being used. Obviously unless the cops started carrying tweaked-out glocks, the truth is probably closer to a 'semi automatic pistol' firing shots in quit successions or the use of a submachine gun. Since the standard issue mp5 is too large to be carried undercover, odds are a semi auto pistol was used. Adidas 11:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know if you've heard the full Mark Whitby interview but he went on to say "not a revolver" - he was emphasising that it was a pistol, rather than a SMG (he made that clear too) or a revolver. I challenge anyone to manage to say "semi-auto" in such a situation... afaik London uniformed armed police are armed with Glock 17s and MP5s (snipers aside) - I don't think they carry Glock 18s or things like MAC-10s when in plain-clothes. Dan100 (Talk) 11:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering whether these were actually police officers at all. Our (Brit) police don't tend to carry weapons and I don't know enough to say whether our plain clothes would be likely to.  Coupled with that, it's pretty exceptional to shoot a criminal five times (I know, these are exceptional circumstances).  I'm wondering whether the anti-terrorist chaps have SAS or (more likely) intelligence services people on the stations.  It would seem to be a role better suited to them than to policemen.
 * Met firearms officers are trained in the use of GLOCK 17 handguns, so I imagine it was one of those.

What does MI5 use? These guys sound very much like intelligence more so than run-of-the-mill Bobbies. 24.176.12.100 13:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Misleading headline?
Is the headline to this article easily misread? I know what it means, but it could also be taken that the armed police were shooting at a dead man, as opposed to the man being shot dead by the armed police - comments anyone? Bigpresh 11:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. That was my fault, sorry! Dan100 (Talk) 11:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually it's supposed to be "newsy headline" style, hence no "a" between "dead" and "man". Putting the a in their makes it a bit more clunky, and I don't think anyone would mis-read it really... plus there's at least three redirects that would need updating if we changed it again :-(. Dan100 (Talk) 11:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * um, i got confused. when i read that i immediately asked myself why the british police would shoot a man that was already dead.
 * Wouldn't "shoot man dead" be better then?
 * yeah, that'd read better - Dan100 do you think this is worth doing? Bigpresh 11:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that is better. Someone changed it :-) Dan100 (Talk) 12:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Suicide bomber?
A lot of news websites are referring to the man as a suspected suidice bomber. Is there any police or official source that refers to him like that, or is it just the journalists that are doing the suspecting?
 * That is apparent speculation by the news agencies. --Pvtparts 12:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

There's a press conference due any moment... hopefully it'll provide some answers (and I'll take some notes) and post them here. Dan100 (Talk) 12:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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Hi Shen (or someone else?), would you please go to this page at and add a copyright-tag?! I have uploaded the file of your map at Wikimedia-Commons to use it in the German Wikinews. Hope you don't disagree :) .. --Wolf-Dieter 12:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * So this topic has been sorted out. Some nice guys have done it, whom I contacted via IRC. --Wolf-Dieter 13:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh, confusing... you may use the image, and now it's been done everything's ok :). (thanks to whoever did it when I wasn't here) Shen 16:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Why are our troops still in Afghanistan?
Why are our troops still in Afganistan (killing civilians)[] Why are they still in Iraq(killing civilians)[]? Our troops marching around their homelands can't be helping this situation. Paulrevere2005 14:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Because Afghanistan and Iraq are in the region which gives the London terrorists the support and blessing of them to follow out these attacks. Please do not tell me there are no terrorists in this region, you would not stand a chance backing up such a claim.  And we are not killing civilians on purpose - show me one war where civilian casulties were not suffered, and the war was still successful.  --Mrmiscellanious 14:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Sounds like a vicious circle.."violence begets violence" so to speak..and both sides say the other side started it all. Paulrevere2005 18:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Paul, this has nothing to do with the article's content. Please help wikipedia by using the discusssion page to only comment on the actual content of the article. Cheers Adidas 15:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Disagree; if there is truly a war going on, this is related to it; just like Hitler's buzz bombs...so the war is the genesis and core of this story;imo. Paulrevere2005 18:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Would some of us be doing the same if the situation was reversed?
This requires imagination, but if we (Americans and Brits) were living in Kabul or Baghdad and there were Afghan and Iraqi troops occupying Washington D.C. and London, and those occupying forces were killing thousands of civilians[]; maybe many of our own relatives; in chunks of 10 or 20 at a time,[]; I wonder what many of us would be doing? I think we(the more "militant" among us) would've burned down Kabul and Baghdad by now if the shoe was on the other foot. Paulrevere2005 14:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but this is not a general discussion forum, I'm afraid, but a forum for discussing what should go into a specific article. Submarine 15:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Disagree; if there is truly a war going on, this is related to it; just like Hitler's buzz bombs...so the war is the genesis and core of this story;imo. Paulrevere2005 18:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Copyright issue with BBC R5 Live audio clip?
I would have thought the Radio 5 Live audio is copyright owned by the BBC - Is this acceptable here?
 * No, it isn't, and has been deleted. People would do well to read and think about the fair use guidelines before uploading things. Dan100 (Talk) 14:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Press conference at 3.30pm today
I watched the Police press conference today, to be honest they didn't say much:

Sir Ian Blair

in relation to yesterday's incidents, man shot at stockwell

direct link to ongoing anti-terrorist operations

man challenged and refused to obey police instructions

Andy Hayman

Oval: device in Northernline carriage northbound

Bus - I went to look at the telly at this point, sorry

Warren Street: northbound victoria line 12:39

Sheppards Bush: Hammersmith and City westbound 12:21

Three houses being searched at the moment in connection with investigation.

Bomb partially detonated at each of the four sites - homemade explosives in rucsacs.

Hopefully we can get hold of the images they showed (some were crystal clear) of the attackers yesterday. Dan100 (Talk) 14:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * They indicated that the images would be made available via Scotland Yard at some point this afternoon. This presumable would mean they´re licensed under something akin to ´public domain´ or rather an unlimited license so they could possibly be included via wikicommons. --Pvtparts 14:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Page protection
Dan, can you please explain what were the "attempts at re-writing history"? -- NGerda 23:19, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

link
FYI: We have a wikipage about this incident here: JnanaBase wikipage - it contains an overview and various links, maybe it can be useful to you I'm not sure. Www.wikinerds.org 23:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Updated articles
Could we possibly add the newest article related to this: Brazilian shot by police on London Underground was not acting suspiciously to the updates section of this article? --Jake 07:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


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Armed police briefly surround a mosque in east London

July 22, 2005

Around 10.15am UTC, armed police surrounded a Mosque in East London because of a bomb scare. A short time afterwards, this cordon was lifted.

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This is unconfirmed. More soon. --Ómar Kjartan Yasin 10:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I am looking for sources. Today is Friday, the Muslim weekend. --Ómar Kjartan Yasin 10:17, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Is this heard on BBC Five Live?
 * I head this on the BBC World Service.

I also heard on BBC Five Live and on BBC News 24. Dan100 (Talk) 10:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

This story has been out for a while and I can't find a website carrying this story, only the radio stations (Five Live); a website carrying it is unlikely Shen 10:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The BBC News website reports it as "A mosque in east London : has been evacuated after a bomb scare - but a police cordon has now been lifted." : Bigpresh 11:16, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

East London
is a port in South Africa. I think when a compass direction is used as an adjective, as opposed to as part of a proper name, it is confusing if it is capitalised. The BBC on their website seem to agree: note their usage of "south London" in this link. --Crockett 21:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


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It's great to see some politicians looking for answers too; since lots of the "people" are. Paulrevere2005 13:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice to see that the PATRIOT act is such an invasion of privacy to the public, however the President can't have any... why do people worry about what happened in the past? It's not going to change the future - any. --Mrmiscellanious 14:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Itsme~enwikinews

Welcome
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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Itsme. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Itsme~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User talk:217.23.232.194

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User talk:ElvisThePrince

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called ElvisThePrince. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name ElvisThePrince~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Jni

Welcome
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Wikilisp
Sorry you were disappointed to find wikilisp isn't a full Lisp dialect; it is, after all, a very specialized Lisp; I've found it a rather unusual exercise in PL design. It's not meant to be complete in itself, rather it's meant to synergize with other things doable with wiki markup, filling in gaps in what can be done. You can't write a recursive definition of factorial (user-defined-procedure calls can't be nested beyond a fixed depth, currently 4), but it's very handy if you want to, say, modify the raw wiki markup of a page by selectively rewriting certain kinds of template calls. In the particular code you tried out, there's  but it only does one binding (so it's just  ); there is indeed no   or  ; and, most weirdly for a Lisp hacker (which I admit to being), there are lists but not pairs, with list elements accessed by   rather than  /. Thanks to my dialog tools, though, there's an interactive Lisp evaluator accessible from evalx and from Module:Wikilisp. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for explanation. My lisp skills are very limited but I noticed this indeed looks somewhat odd dialect. This is not to say it cannot be useful for parsing wiki markup and for its other intended uses. I guess it is mandatory to disallow general recursion to defend server resources against DOS-attacks. I'll add the task of learning more about this WikiLisp thing to my todo list. Is it easy to utilize this and related machinery in some other project than here in wikinews? jni (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 * My plan has been to port the tools I'm developing first to en.wb, where I'm also an admin, and by doing so learn what the problems are with porting them from one project to another. I have, in fact, already ported wikilisp to en.wb, and am using it for a few things there; I'm hoping to port the dialog tools too, of course, but have been letting them develop a bit more here while I'm doing other infrastructure work on Wikibooks (for which I wanted wikilisp, hence the earlier port of that).  My hope is that the dialog tools will be pretty straightforward to port; I discuss that at, er (hunts for the right link), MediaWiki talk:Dialog/receive.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:84.56.248.201

Welcome
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User talk:83.42.224.36

Welcome
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User talk:84.145.228.252

Welcome
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User talk:212.139.34.131

Welcome
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User talk:68.149.127.173

Welcome
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User talk:17.255.240.18

Welcome
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User talk:84.9.44.156

Welcome
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Major police operation in west London

July 22, 2005

A major Police Operation took place this afternoon in west. The operation is centred around an near Harrow Road. The BBC reports that armed police and a police dog have been deployed.

Houst Monfaradi, a witness at the scene, said "There's what looks like a bomb disposal-type vehicle, armoured, and there's several armed officers around it," "From my window I can see 20 doors down what looks like a bomb disposal type vehicle, it's armoured and there are several armed officers around it...About half an hour ago police officers ran up my road telling everyone to get inside their houses...Anyone who even puts their head out, they scream 'get inside your house'...About 15 minutes ago I saw a little remote controlled vehicle...It went round to the left and then it disappeared from my view...It was followed by a couple of armed officers with shields."

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Talk:Major police operation in west London

Shots heard near Harrow Road.
An interviewee near the Harrow Road incident has reported hearing 6 shots or sounds like shots. It is fairly hard to find more info just now as the incident only began in the last hour.


title: User:Jpkoester1


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Quaker website editor launches music podcast programme

July 22, 2005

Simon Gray, Quaker website editor for the Friend and an organiser for the World Gathering of Young Friends today launched radio star one as a podcast linked to birmingham alive !, the Birmingham what's on guide.

"It's an eclectic mix of jazz, world, electronic, classical, & folk", he said, "perhaps in a similar vein to Radio 3's late junction programme".

Simon is currently in consultation to make the Friend itself be available as a podcast. Already subscribers can read it via an RSS feed, with the appropriate aggregator software. Podcasting is a fast-growing form of broadcasting which is freely available to listeners on the internet.


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User talk:80.86.36.97

Welcome, but i'm going to have to clean that up, this is a news site!! :) ClareWhite 15:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Jpkoester1

Ok, I welcome all red link talk pages every day. Great to see you already have an account. If you need any help just ask me. → CGorman (Talk) 15:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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Fisherman in Virginia charged with killing alligator

July 22, 2005 A Virginia man who allegedly clubbed to death an alligator he hooked while fishing, is under consideration by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Richmond for destroying a “threatened species”. But according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service web page of delisted species on the Endangered Species Act, the American alligator was removed from the list in 1987. The reason cited for its removal was the species had recovered.

Fisherman Max Belle reportedly used an oar to bring into submission the 44-inch-long, 9 pound creature when he brought it to the boat. Belle was fishing on the Chesterfield County Falling Creek Reservoir, where the alligator was first sighted in May.

An alligator is not a native species in the mid-Atlantic region of the USA, and it is thought that it was released by someone who once kept it as a pet.U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) employee attempts to capture and relocate it were unsuccessful. The native habitat of the alligator is in regions of the Southeast, starting from the Carolinas and moving southwards to Texas.

The fisherman’s attorney, David P. Baugh, said area residents surrounding the reservoir are happy the alligator is gone. Referring to the support for Mr. Belle of reservoir neighbors, he said, "... next time they [USDA] will ask to hire Mr. Belle to come catch the alligator." His client received a court summons Thursday and is prepared to pay a $300 fine and $50 court costs if he is found guilty of the federal misdemeanor crime.

It took investigators two weeks to positively identify the toothy crocodile as an American alligator, (Alligator mississippiensis).


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User talk:Jimmyjazz~enwikinews

Your account will be renamed
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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Jimmyjazz. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Jimmyjazz~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User talk:Simongray

Welcome
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User talk:84.220.102.218

Welcome
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User:24~enwikinews

 Look up wiktionary:Special:Search/User: in Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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User talk:24~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called 24. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name 24~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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MG Rover sold to Nanjing Auto

July 22, 2005

Administrators PriceWaterHouseCoopers (PWC) have announced that the British car company MG Rover and its engine manufacturer Powertrain Ltd has been sold to Chinese company Nanjing Automobile for an unknown sum of money. The company beat bids from Shanghai Automotive (SAIC), despite being the smaller of the two.

MG Rover collapsed this Spring, after struggling to make a profit for several years.

SAIC had tried to buy only the engine plant and then transfer it to China, but in June Nanjing Automobile approached PWC with a combined bid for both the car manufacturing company and Powertrain. This Monday SAIC bid for both but the offer was inferior to Nanjing's.

Nanjing has indicated that it too will move the engine production plant to China, along with some car manufacturing. However it also intends to continue building cars in Britain, and establish an engineering research and design centre there in an effort to expand its sales globally. Nanjing intends to start hiring at once.

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Many horses in Sweden lack passport

July 22, 2005

Beginning in 2006, all horses in the EU will be required to have passports, according to new rules from the European Union. Two thirds of all horses in Sweden are estimated to not have passports, Britta Lundström at the Swedish Ministry of Agriculture (Jordbruksverket) told news agency TT.

If the owner of a horse doesn't get a passport for their animal before the end of the year, they will be breaking the law. The Ministry of Agriculture has had problems reaching horse owners who don't read horse magazines. Because of this, the ministry is planning a campaign this autumn.

The passport contains information on the owner, the race and number. A photograph isn't mandatory but a description of the horse's appearance is required.

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Metropolitan Police release photographs of July 21st suspects

July 22, 2005

The London Metropolitan Police have released photographs of suspects wanted for the attempted bombing of three Tube trains and one bus in London on the 21st of July.

Anyone who sees any of these men should call 999 immediately. Anyone with further information on the suspects or who knows their whereabouts should call the anti-terrorist hotline on 0800 789 321.


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The title of this article is spelled incorrectly. I would fix it but I'm not familiar with page creation on WN
 * Fixed (hope it wasn't already linked) --Pvtparts 19:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


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Small plane crashes in central Berlin

July 22, 2005

A small single-engine ultralight aircraft has crashed on a lawn between the Reichstag building, the seat of the German parliament, and the Bundeskanzleramt, the seat of the chancellor, in Berlin. The aircraft crashed at approximately 2000CET. Amateur footage aired by the ARD shows the plane rapidly descending before crashing on the lawn and bursting into flames. Witnesses at the scene were inconclusive about the heading of the plane. Some stated that it was targeting the Reichstag while others said that the pilot tried to steer away from it. He was killed in the crash. People near the scene attempted to fight the fire with hand-held extinguishers, however the aircraft was mostly destroyed by the time the emergency services arrived.

The German authorities have ruled out terrorism. Police are saying that the pilot's wife has been missing since Monday and they had suspected that he might have something to do with the disappearance. It is possible that he might have committed suicide to avoid prosecution.

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Man arrested in connection with July 21 London bomb attempts

July 22, 2005

Scotland Yard says the arrest took place at a residence in Stockwell, south London and was "part of the investigation into the incidents of July 21st." The man is being held at Paddington Green police station under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. Officials will not comment on whether the suspect was one of the four whose pictures were released after being caught by CCTV camera's.

Just after 6pm BST police arrested a man at the Snow Hill rail station in Birmingham under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act. The station was evacuated and cordoned off because of two suspicious suitcases found at the station. The suitcases were examined and later found not to contain explosives. The BBC reports that the man who was arrested will not be facing charges.

Snow Hill station re-opened at around 8pm BST.


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Talk:Fisherman in Virginia charged with killing alligator

Contact pages:
 * Julian Walker, Richmond Times-Dispatch writer of sourced story, e-mail jwalker@timesdispatch.com
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I sent an e-mail to the Times-Dispatch writer and copied the contact person at the US Fish and Wildlife Service. A phone call to the Richmond US Attorney's Office could not put me directly in touch with the case worker because of a major computer upgrade there, and then I got lost on hold.

Personally, I don't blame the guy for creaming the alligator with an oar. I would have it mounted too if I could keep it! -Edbrown05 20:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

safe swimming?
I'm moving to coastal Virginia soon and had hoped to be able to swim freely --- any other alligator sightings I should know about? My site for swimming is a tidal creek on the Chesapeake Bay --  eastern shore. Thanks.


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This story already existed for several hours as a developed story Story Here

 * Actually this one was first. See history and . But still, the other one is better now, so i guess changing this one back to develop is ok. --Deprifry 22:23, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

I don't really understand what happened here - this story is two hours older, but for some reason people worked on the younger article... Anyway, this is much shorter, so I re-directed it to the other article. Dan100 (Talk) 22:23, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


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Bomb explodes on busy Beirut street

July 22, 2005

A bomb exploded on a busy, restaurant lined road, just 2 hours after U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice left Beirut today, wounding at least twelve people.

Rice had made a surprise visit to pledge her support for Lebanon after the Syrian troop pull-out earlier this year.

The blast went off at about 10 p.m. in front of a restaurant on Monot Street and damaged three cars, a security official told The Associated Press.

The bomb is believed to have been placed either under or inside a parked car on a sideroad close to the privately run Saint Joseph University on the edge of Christian east Beirut. LBC Television initially said that 6 people had been injured, mostly by flying glass and that the car belonged to local resident Joseph Nadim. The estimate on the number of injured has since risen to 12.

The attack was a "message" to the new government, announced this week and dominated by anti-Syrian ministers, said Tourism Minister Joseph Sarkis. He said the blast aimed to shake security and scare off the thousands of tourists, mainly from oil-rich Gulf countries, who spend summer vacations in Lebanon.

"It is a message against the government, against national reconciliation and national unity," Sarkis told the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya satellite channel.

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Many dead in Egyptian resort blasts

July 22, 2005 A string of at least three explosions in Egyptian resort towns in the Sinai early Saturday morning has left at least 88 people dead and over 200 more wounded.

One blast occurred at 1am in Sharm el-Sheikh, apparently in the market area, and two others about 15 minutes later in Naama Bay, a nearby resort. The explosions reportedly occurred outside hotels. A witness told the AP that the four-star hotel Ghazala Gardens has "completely burned down".

In October of last year, 34 people were killed in explosions in Taba and Ras Shitan, nearby resort areas popular with Israeli tourists. Due to this, officials blamed those attacks on violence related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Casualty reports
So far the local police have confirmed that at least 88 people have been killed and between 120 and 200 were wounded. Reuters news agency quotes doctors at the scene saying many of the injured are in critical condition. Reuters also indicates that the explosions may have been caused by car-bombs.

Most of the casualties are Egyptians, there are Britons, French, Spaniards, Dutch, Italians, Czechs, Qataris, and Kuwaitis.

Responsibility
A group calling itself Abdullah Azzam Brigades has claimed responsibility for the attacks. On a website the group stated that "holy warriors targeted the Ghazala Gardens hotel and the Old Market in Sharm el-Sheikh" and claimed it has ties to Al-Qaida. The authenticity of this statement has not been verified.

Reactions
In a televised statement Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said that the terrorists will only make his country "more determined to pursue terrorism and dig it out by the roots". He added that "we will not give in to its blackmail, or seek a truce". Egyptian Interior Minister Habib al-Adli called the attacks an "ugly act of terrorism".

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice condemned the attacks saying that the "United States stands with our friend and ally Egypt. Together we will confront and defeat this scourge that knows no boundaries and respects no creed."

Russia, Japan, the United Nations, and the Palestinian Authority have also condemned the blasts.

The British Foreign Minister, Jack Straw, also condemned the attacks. While being questioned about who was responsible for the bombings, Mr Straw said: "Almost certainly they are evil people who will claim — wrongly — to have done this in the name of Islam."

Danish minister of Foreign Affairs Per Stig Møller says: "I condemn, in the strongest possible ways, the terror attacks in Sharm el-Sheikh, that yet again target defenseless and innocent people. This can in no way be justified. My deepest sympathies to the wounded, the families and the people of Egypt."

In a telegram to the Egyptian President this morning, Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, the President-elect of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, offered her condolences to the "brother nation of Egypt" on the death of, and injury to, a large number of Egyptian and foreign nationals during the bombings in Sharm al-Sheikh last night. She prayed for patience for the families of those killed and quick recovery for those injured. Mrs. Rajavi underscored, "Islamic fundamentalism and the terrorism emanating from it constitute the biggest threat to world peace and security. The heart of this ominous phenomenon is beating in Iran under the mullahs' regime, the leading sponsor of terrorism in the world today." She expressed hope that with the overthrow of the inhuman regime and the establishment of democracy in Iran, the world would see the eradication of the ideology of hate and violence, falsely propagated under the name of Islam, the great religion of compassion, friendship and tolerance. It is worthy of note that on Wednesday, the daily Kayhan, the mouthpiece of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, brazenly boasted, "Iran has an incalculable capacity to destabilize the entire Middle East. Given the circumstance, this destabilization could include a wide range of activities from limited local clashes to plunging the entire region into chaos and clashes."

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MSNBC broadcast report: 25 killed, more than 100 wounded, 4 car bombs explode around 1:00am their local time. -Edbrown05 23:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

MSNBC now saying as many as 45 dead, no claims of responsibility for the attacks-Edbrown05 03:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

This story is part of World War III; the link below shows, perhaps, how WWIII was engineered ?
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George Bush Sr. has 12 prime military aged grand children(7 men and 5 women). None of them are fighting for freedom; they are all lounging in Maine and Palm Beach. The link above shows how Bush Team #1 engineered WW III by giving Saddam the "green light" for attacking Kuwait; If you do not feel like reading the entire transcript, you can scroll to the section in red where the U.S. Ambassador,upon instructions from President Bush Sr., assures Saddam that the U.S. will not intervene in the Iraq/Kuwait conflict.

"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. we express no opinion on this issue and the issue is not associated with America."

Then, like a good papa hyena, Bush Sr. left some of his catch for his cub to finish eating. As Paul Harvey always said.."now, that's the rest of the story." Paulrevere2005 22:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

CNN
According to CNN, the Egyptian Police confirmed four bomb explosions. There are Europeans among them.

From the "More information" section
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I just don't think it's suitable. It looks very much like a rather poor Wikinews article - it doesn't bring anything to our coverage, in my opinion. Dan100 (Talk) 22:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The Wikinews article doesn't say that the terrorist attacks in Egypt were predicted. Www.wikinerds.org 22:57, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I cannot, at the moment, load the page (it did load earlier). --Chiacomo (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It's a server problem we face lately and it should be fixed now. Www.wikinerds.org 23:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Main site claims 88 dead with link to the article which has the older data of 83 deaths

 * I saw that. I don't see a source for the 88 figure, so I'm changing it back to 83. Dan100 (Talk) 23:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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Please to add  Autobombe a Sharm el Sheikh 2005 . --Trek00 11:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Deprifry|+T+ 11:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but two other links are bad: ''' Série d'attentats dans la station balnéaire égyptienne de Charm el-Cheikh

Kilkadziesiąt osób zabitych w zamachach terrorystycznych w Egipcie '''. --Trek00 11:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also fixed. Thanks for the notice. --Deprifry|+T+ 11:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


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Legendary bluesman Long John Baldry dead at 64

July 22, 2005

Long John Baldry, English-born blues legend, passed away at the Vancouver General Hospital, Vancouver, British Columbia, Thursday evening after fighting a severe chest infection for the past four months.

Baldry was considered an innovator and inspiration in blues music in the 1950s and 60s and is credited with inspiring other music legends such as Elton John, Rod Stewart, Eric Clapton, and The Rolling Stones.

Baldry was born in East Haddon, England, 1941-01-12 and grew to the imposing height of 6 feet 7 inches (2 metres) which gave him his nickname "Long John". He began playing folk and jazz music as a teenager in the 1950s but his deep voice resonated with the blues. Eric Clapton credits seeing Baldry play as an inspiration for him to play the blues himself. In the early 1960s Baldry sang with Alexis Korner's influential band, Blues Incorporated, and then went on to lead a series of bands himself and featured many new musicians who would go onto superstardom, including Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, Charlie Watts, Jack Bruce, and Jimmy Page.

He befriended Paul McCartney while playing at the Cavern in Liverpool and performed on The Beatles' internationally televised special Around the Beatles in 1964.

In 1966, Baldry adopted Bluesology for his back-up band, after seeing "promise" in the young keyboard player, Reginald Dwight. In 1968, Dwight adopted the name Elton John, taking the name John in tribute to Baldry.

In 1978, he moved to the United States, spending time in New York and Los Angeles, before moving on to Vancouver permanently about 1980 and becoming a Canadian citizen.

Baldry has released over 40 albums and, in the last twenty years, done much voice-over work in Canada for commercials and animations including ReBoot and narrating the Disney production, The Original Story Of Winnie-The-Pooh, which earned him a 1998 Grammy spoken word album for children nomination.

Before his illness, it had been anticipated that Baldry would be touring in the autumn in support of new recordings produced by Rod Stewart and Elton John to be released this September.


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Execution of two gay teens in Iran spurs controversy

July 23, 2005 International controversy erupted after Iranian officials executed two gay teenagers who were originally reported to be convicted of homosexuality, however later reports released by the Iranian government after international claimed the conviction was for the rape of a 13-year-old boy. The two were hanged July 19.

Only the age of one of the two executed teens was officially released to the public. He was 18 year old Ayaz Marhoni. The other, Mahmoud Asgari, according to the (ISNA) was aged 17, but other news agencies have reported the teenager's age as 16. In the original report by the ISNA it was said that the two were found having together when they were both 16. It also reported that they were held and beaten for fourteen months before the execution.

The UK-based gay rights group, claims the report issued later by the government of Iran is a "smokescreen" to justify killing homosexuals. And one media outlet, Direland, has blasted the media holdings of that includes Fox News Channel and The Times newspaper for publishing the subsequent Iranian government issued allegation of rape as matter of fact without mention of the previous stories before international condemnation bearing no such accusations.

According to Iranian newspapers, the two boys were given 228 lashes for their other convictions of theft, disrupting public order and public drinking before they were hanged in Edalat ("Justice" in English) Square in the Iranian city of. The executioners, fearing reprisals, wore masks and anti-riot forces were mobilized to prevent outbreaks of public protests.

Photos of the execution released by Iranian Students News Agency showed the two teens crying in the truck driving them to the in Justice Square, located in the northeastern region of the country.

Executing youth
Iran has been under fire by international human rights groups for executing teenagers in the past, including the 2004 execution of, a 16-year-old girl convicted of having. Medical reports, not allowed in the court, had stated that she was.

Like many other Islamic countries, Iran enforces the religious sharia law, which allows for the execution of children, including girls aged nine or older and boys 15 and older.

Iranian officials have complained that the media has emphasized the teens' ages. Deputy Ali Asgari said, "Whatever sentence is decreed by an Islamic penal system must be approved, unless proven otherwise... Instead of paying tribute to the action of the judiciary, the media are mentioning the age of the hanged criminals and creating a commotion that harms the interests of the state... Even if certain websites made a reference to their age, journalists should not pursue this. These individuals were corrupt. Their sentence was carried out with the approval of the judiciary and it served them right."

Both teens were convicted by Court No. 19 under sharia law. The teens are identified only as "M.A." and "A.M." Those found having homosexual sex in Iran may face death by either hanging, stoning, cutting in half by a sword, or dropping from a tall building or cliff.

An ISNA report said the couple acknowledged having sexual relations with each other but said they were unaware of laws against homosexuality.

Controversy over subsequent rape allegations
Another report, by Iran In Focus, claimed that the two were hanged not for gay sex, but rather for sexually assaulting a thirteen year old boy at knife point. Neither the original Iranian Student's News Agency nor an additional report from the  had this allegation, said the United Kingdom based OutRage!. Direland Press has noted that the accusation of rape in reports came days after international outrage and detailed reports by other Iranian news agencies. They suggest the recent report is a ploy of the Iranian government to justify its actions.

"The allegation of sexual assault may either be a trumped-up charge to undermine public sympathy for the youths -- a frequent tactic by the Islamist regime in Iran -- or it may be that the 13-year-old was a willing participant but that Iranian law ... deems that no person of that age is capable of sexual consent and that therefore any sexual contact is automatically deemed in law to be a sex assault," said OutRage!'s Peter Tatchell.

"This is just the latest barbarity by the Islamo-fascists in Iran," Tatchell remarked. "The entire country is a gigantic prison, with Islamic rule sustained by detention without trial, torture and state-sanctioned murder."

Poor track record with human rights groups
Tatchell told reporters that according to Iranian human rights activists, more than 4,000 lesbians and gay men have been executed in Iran since the seized power in 1979. He said an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been executed in Iran since that time.

Reports also indicated that three other gay Iranian teenagers are reportedly being hunted by police, but they are said to have gone into hiding.

OutRage! requested the international community see Iran "as a state" and to "break off diplomatic relations, impose trade sanctions, and give practical support to the democratic and left opposition inside Iran."

The United Kingdom has a policy of constructive engagement with Iran, as does France and Germany, primarily directed at the resolution of the Iranian nuclear crisis.

European Union officials have been holding a human rights dialogue with Tehran, but last year the report by Human Rights Watch said that violations had increased since 2000.

In the Unites States, the has called for U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to condemn the executions.


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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Lalala. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Lalala~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/Wikinews World Report/July 21, 2005

Here are the show notes for Wikinews World Report on July 21, 2005.

London was hit by four minor explosions today coming just two weeks after terrorist bombings killed over 50 people in the city. NGerda contacted Mark Knoop in Southeast London for help explaining the attacks and what he experienced. Co-host MrMiscellanious interviewed Mark shortly after.