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Funny, only the people who work at Guantanamo actually know what goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if the people who left there lie about it, I mean, these are the people that actually STRAP BOBS TO THEIR CHESTS AND BLOW UP A CROWD OF PEOPLE, lying isn't exactly a stretch of ethics for them. But who knows. We will probably never actually know what goes on in there. People think just because of that one incident on tape that that means there is torture there, well guess what, those people were TRIED AND PUNISHED. Contralya 22:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Key point. The people at Guantanamo have never been proven to be those people you mention as strapping bombs to their chests. There have though been many many reports and discussions about people that were just given to the US government and brought to GB basically because we were offering a bounty for "suspects", and many many reports from lawyers working for clients at GB that detail torture and other abuses. Also, which incident on tape are you mentioning? I don't recall one at GB... although I do recall one in Iraq itself. Lyellin 22:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Those are LAWYERS, they say anything to get sympathy for their clients! And I don't know if it was on tape, but there were pictures; it was were they had prisoners naked in a pile. It was an isolated incident and the people got tried and punished. You can never trust a lawyer, you wouldn't believe how many guilty go free on technicalities and sympathy; they say whatever will help their case. And what do you mean by proven? You think because there has never been a court case that they are innocent? Courts are so backed up as it is, it takes years for cases to be completed. Anyone who has been in a court case knows that it takes several months between sessions for the majority of cases. People have the delusion that terrorists are a myth, well I am sure some 3,000 families would beg to differ. Contralya 00:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Part of a lawyers job is to represent their candidates to the best of their ability. Alleging something they cannot prove does not serve a client - it delegitimizes their testimony and defense. And the point of the system is to ensure that EVERYONE receives a fair trial (GB detainees do not), and if sometimes people get free on "Technicalities and sympathy" that may not have supposed to have been free, so do many get sentenced to jail for things they do not do. That's our justice system - imperfect. I made no statement to terrorists being a myth - I am attacking the idea that the GB detainees are all terrorists. They are MANY, MANY cases of people just being held there for no reason. Go listen to NPR's This American Life for a couple.... if I can find the episode name I'll list it. I think because there has never been a court case they are being held illegally, and should receive a court case, especially in the cases where people have been held for years without any sort of charge, and even through interrogation, nothing is got from them. Lyellin 01:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Episode: 331: Habeas Schmabeas 2007, aired on 4/27/2007 and available on www.thislife.org Lyellin 01:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * But the fact is, you DON'T KNOW that they are innocent. You have no Idea, you aren't them. And look at that big O.J. Simpson trial a wile back, lawyers aren't as truthfull and honest as you make them out to be. Many (not all) just care about winning their cases, not necessarily the truth. Just because people say they were tortured, doesn't mean it is true. Just because N Vietnam said it released all of it's American prisoners, doesn't mean it's true. And just because that Mockme Imanutjob guy said there are no homosexuals in Iran and that they are cooperating with the U.N. doesn't mean it's true. Face it, the world is full of lies. Contralya 03:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * To jump in the middle here, I don't know that you're not a terrorist either. I don't know that your dog isn't a terrorist as well. Does that mean we should lock you and your dog up? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Just because we think they might ahve something, no matter how small to do with terrorism, doesn't mean they do. My point exactly. That's why they need representation. Every statement you make there about lawyers assumes they are all corrupt evildoers - they aren't. They do their job - and they are BETTER served in doing said jobs when they have the truth on their side. Lyellin 04:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think American lawyers are evil or as corrupt as you say I do, I do think that they will say whatever it takes to win their case. Like make it look like an African was arrested just because he was African, resulting in a murderer going free. I have seen that 'Law and Order, Criminal Intent' show, and a number of court sessions. Lawyers want to win cases so they can advance their career. Sometimes at the expense of justice. And sometimes the rules themselves keep their from being justice, like accidentally forgetting to get a warrant, and a weapon with the victim's blood on it not being valid evidence. I have seen in real court cases, lawyers insisting on their client's innocence, and them being proved guilty beyond a doubt. So I am thinking the lawyers said that they were being tortured to win sympathy for their client (or just repeating what the client said to them). Contralya 05:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * So because you've seen fictional tv shows, and seen instances of lawyers being wrong, or acting wrong (ignoring the fact that they must be in the minority - as there are countless trials going on all the time), you assume that torture is definetly not happening and that everyone in GB that says they are being tortured is lying. Also, those pictures of the pyramid? Those were in Iraq, not in GB. That entire trial of those officers was about a prison that was in Iraq, and the closest relation to GB was that some prisoners were sent to GB from that prison. Just to get the facts straight. :) Lyellin 05:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, when I heard about those prisoners, the news was always talking about Guantanamo, so, my mistake. But still, it is associated that if that can happen, there is likley torture in Guantanamo. And I didn't only see it in the T.V. show, it is just more apparent on the T.V. show as characters talk about it. I see similar things in some real trials, but without anyone talking about it. And I don't KNOW what really happens, I just don't like how everyone assumes that they are innocent and everyone assumes they are being tortured, including the U.N. Contralya 06:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally people tend to assume that unless proven otherwise. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That is with criminals. Islamic terrorism is an act of war. Contralya 10:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, several points there. One - I'd hope you'd define any terrorism as an act of war. Two - we have the idea of innocent until proven guilty - and we have the Geneva Conventions to deal with situations of war. Three - How do you fight a war against a non-entity? If we can, then basically I can just claim I'm at war with "left handed people" and put them all in jail by saying they are left handed (and under GB rules - I wouldn't have to prove it!). Lyellin 14:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * What? Now you are just saying that uncle sam is evil? I don't think so. Contralya 21:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * No..... I'm saying they've broken the geneva convention (which they have, and left it even). The government is not evil...I just happen to feel this one is breaking the law. Lyellin 22:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Do you have any actual evidence to base this claim on? The people from the prison could very easily be LYING. That is what people don't get, the news wants people to think that there is no chance in the world that those people are lying about being tortured. Contralya 23:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I can find you report after report of these people talking about it, about red cross officials being concerned, about people being brought there for no reason - I gave you one above. Can you show my any evidence as to why we have imprisoned thousands of people in GB and abroad and a very small minority have been charged with anything? Lyellin 01:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * People's opinions? I doubt there are actually thousands of people detained there. I am not saying I know all the details on what is going on, I have never been there, but my problem is that GB staff aren't given the benefit of a doubt by people. It seems like everyone assumes the people are being tortured and are innocent. A bunch of people's opinions aren't evidence, and the fact that the people there say they have been tortured doesn't mean it's true. To say that no-one there is a terrorist, is to deny that terrorism exists. If people from western governments weren't actively fighting terrorists like they have been, there would of been many more terrorist incidents. I don't like it how people think because there haven't been many attacks, there is no danger from terrorists. And that terrorists would magically disappear if they were ignored. Contralya 04:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

 * First of all, an apology. The thousands number is just plain wrong - I clearly misunderstood something I listened to and overreacted on that. The total number of detainees is listed at 755, with currently a bit over 300 being detained (WP has the exact number). People claiming torture include: Red Cross Inspectors, former detainees, current detainee lawyers, human rights groups, and amnesty international. So it's not just "people's opinions". Red Cross knows torture pretty well - they are who we send in to look at foreign countries and get medical aid to people.

 * Secondly, on the "benefit of the doubt" argument. The thing is, GB staff have been. For years. For years, since 2002 when it was created, there were virtually no questions. It's not till the past year or two that those questions have arisen - mostly since the government has started to release some detainees.

 * On the assumption of innocence - in our justice system, innocence IS assumed. It has to be. Innocent until prove guilty. As I said before - just because people are there doesn't mean they aren't being tortured either. Your argument that they could be lying works both ways.

 * On the idea that saying no one there is a terrorist is to deny terrorism exists. Ignoring the fact that I didn't say no one there was a terrorist, that's just a horrible argument. I don't deny terrorism exists, nor would anyone who can read the news. I don't know what you are trying to say here, but as far as I can tell, it's just a random statement with no logical backing.

 * That brings me to my final point, the "since we're fighting, there have been no attacks". This isn't a logically stable statement. That's like saying since I wore sandals today, the Red Sox won. There is no causal relationship between the "war on terror" and the "lack of terrorist attacks". Even more so, there HAVE been western terrorist attacks - in London, and and in Spain, since 9/11. You last two statements - well, they seem to be generalizations on how people think, and I do not know anyone who thinks that way, so I cannot comment. Lyellin 04:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You clearly didn't read my statement right. I didn't say there were NO attacks, I said that there were fewer than there would have been if no-one was fighting them!

And still, everyone assumes that they are tortured. The people who came out of there could EASILY be lying. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Cross saw self-inflicted wounds or were just repeating what the prisoners said. And these aren't criminals, these are prisoners of war, organized islamic terrorism isn't a crime, it is war. And I am not saying that I know for certain there is no torture, I know that it is possible they are torturing them. And about that stuff about 2002 and up, that is before the prisoners got out to possibly LIE ABOUT being tortured. What I am against, is people like you, who feel almost certain that they are being tortured. I don't trust what the prisoners say any more than I trust the guy who said there were no homo-sexuals in Iran. Media and many people don't give them the benefit of the doubt, they just assume they were tortured, without any ACTUAL evidence. I am done arguing with you here. I have better things to do than try to change the mind of a closed minded anti-American. Over and out. Contralya 06:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Even if you said (and you did), there have been less attacks then there would have been - that still is the same kind of statement. You have no way of supporting it. You cannot look into an alternate history and see how many there were - nor can you know if attacks have been stopped due to "the war" or to terrorists taking a break, or to waiting and planning, etc. You can't know the cause/effect relationship - there is no way to.

 * I really have no clue who this "everyone" is you are talking about. I know that the Red Cross has reported issues - the OAS and the EU has reported issues - and these are reputable people. Generally just not trusting anything at all, and making unfounded claims like "self-inflicted wounds" doesn't prove your point - it's just extra nonsense that you have no way of proving, that you are using in an attempt to cast aspersions on those groups.

 * If they are prisoners of war, they should fall under the Geneva convention. They don't, apparently, which is part of the concern. Organized Islamic terrorism is terrorism - by any classic definition of war, you can't actually fight a war with terrorism - there is nothing there "to fight". If you look at the research and the reports, many of these detainees can't be proven to be attached to organized Islamic terrorism as you call it (and some can, too). That does not give us the right to detain people without charge in poor conditions for years at a time.

 * Now, I am not convinced they are being tortured. But I know enough to look at the reports issued by reputable sources, to look at the results of the detentions, to look at the way it violates our laws, and to look at the statements made by detainees and their lawyers and evaluate. And every evaluation I do tells me that there is a good chance that these groups are right. The Media for years reported nothing of the event - and now they are starting to, and starting to look at it. And lo and behold, these reports of torture are coming out. Amazing how when the light is shined into the darkness, stuff is found.

 * Finally, on your last point, the random ad hominoum attack on me. You clearly do not know me, nor do you have any reason to call me anti-American, or close-minded. I am attempting to discuss this with as much logic as I can (and yes, emotion, I'm not perfect). But well, I'm an Eagle Scout, I grew up saluting the flag, I worked for a Iraqi war veteran in his run for congress, I've been involved in the American political process since before I could vote. I'm not an anti-American, and if you need to result to unfounded ad hominum attacks, you are failing at your job of convincing me that you are right.

 * I look forward to further discussions, either on this page or other ones. I look forward to them even more when you start providing examples of your claims. Lyellin 18:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


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2007/08 Bundesliga: Stuttgart vs. Hannover

October 6, 2007

Stuttgart suffered another setback in their defence of their championship after losing to Hannover 2-0 at home. Two goals from Szabolcs Huszti secured Hannover a 2-0 win against Stuttgart, who were reduced to 10 men in the 7th minute. Fernando Meira was sent off for deliberate handball in the penalty area and Huszti powered home the spot-kick.

Stuttgart struggled to recover from the red card and failed to create a chance until the 28th minute when Mario Gomez headed a corner straight at Hannover goalkeeper Robert Enke.

Hannover would have been two up after 36 minutes had Raphael Schafer not been alert. Schafer rushed out to get the ball at the feet of Hanno Balitsch.

Steve Cherundolo crossed and Huszti was well positioned to score his second goal of the game.

Defeat leaves Stuttgart in 12th place, 10 points behind leaders Bayern Munich who play tomorrow. Hannover, meanwhile, climbed into the top 6 with the victory.

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Oral Roberts University president accused of illegal political donations and financial misappropriation

October 5, 2007

Richard Roberts, the President of Oral Roberts University, and his wife, Lindsay Roberts, are accused of illegal political contributions, financial wrong-doing, and wrongful firings in a lawsuit filed Tuesday.

The lawsuit was filed by three former professors who claim "they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school's involvement in a local political race." According to KTEN television news, "Roberts' statement says personal expenses are charged to him and he personally pays them on a monthly basis." On October 3, Roberts "told students and faculty during his weekly chapel Wednesday that the lawsuit is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."

Richard has been president of ORU since his father, Oral Roberts university founder and former faith healer, "semi-retired" in 1993.

Political accusations
Tim Brooker, one the former professors suing ORU, was employed by ORU starting 2001 when he was recruited by the Republican National Committee (RNC) "in an effort to further Republican efforts." According to reports, over the next six years the program had success in political races outside of Oklahoma, and was financed either by the RNC or individual campaign committees.

Specifically, Roberts is accused making of illegal donations to current Tulsa County Commissioner Randi Miller, a Republican candidate, in her race for Tulsa mayor. The university staff worried that "Roberts risked the non-profit status of the university by insisting" students work as volunteers for Miller's mayoral campaign. In May 2006, after the IRS contacted ORU about its involvement Miller's campaign, Brooker said he told to "fall on the sword" while taking "full and total blame." This would have required covering up the directives made by Roberts. Days after the three professors brought this to the attention of the school, they were fired by Stephanie Cantese, Richard Robert's sister-in-law. Cantese also said Brooker's "son would not graduate from ORU."

Other allegations
The allegations against misusing ORU assets include Roberts using the university jet and billing expenses for several vacations, using the jet to ferry people for his daughter's trip to Atlantis Paradise Island in the Bahamas on ORU credit cards, maintaining a stable of horses at the university for exclusive use by the Roberts’ children, having university and ministry employees summoned to the Roberts home to do the daughters’ homework, having ORU staff and security do family chores, remodeling the Roberts home 11 times in the past 14 years, using several ORU vehicles for personal use, and purchasing a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for Lindsay with ORU money.

Lindsay is also accused of spending tens of thousands of dollars on clothes billed to the university, awarding thirteen nonacademic scholarships to friends' children despite poor scores, sending late-night text messages on university-issued cell phones to "underage males," and firing a "longtime maintenance employee" at ORU her "underage male friend" could have the job.

In addition one Roberts' children was video-taped vandalizing and removing athletic department equipment from ORU property. The items, which were beneficial to the Roberts family was not recovered and though Richard was confronted he took no action.

The lawsuit also claims Paulita Brooker, Tim's wife, "was fired partly because Swails had reported that Vice Provost [Jeff Ogle] sexually harassed another professor" and took no action regarding the sexual harassment.

Responses
John Hagee, a ORU Board of Regents member, said the university's executive board "is conducting a full and thorough investigation." The lawsuit alleges "members of the Board of Regents are painfully aware- have omitted from this Petition to preserve, as much as possible, the remaining image of the University." Furthermore, the court filing quoted Roberts as saying "if a Regent appears to give me trouble, I remove him. I stack the deck. . ."

On Wednesday Roberts said, "This suit has been filed by an attorney who has over the years filed many suits against Oral Roberts University . . . And he has lost every suit that he has filed against the university." In response Gary Richardson, representing the plaintiffs, noted he was involved in only one lawsuit involving ORU, involving its hospital building, and it was settled before trial. Richardson replied, "I hate to call him a liar, but he's a liar."


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Talk:RuPaul speaks about society and the state of drag as performance art

Just for the record, it appears to be a direct transcript, of an interview by phone. -- Zanimum 18:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Darfur rebels threaten to pull out of peace talks

October 6, 2007 The leader of an important rebel group in the Darfur region of Sudan has threatened to withdraw from scheduled peace talks if more than two other rebel groups are invited to the talks.

, leader of the (JEM), said that only the JEM, the  (SLM), and the Sudanese government should be involved in the procedures. He expressed displeasure with the way the peace talks are being handled, and said that the United Nations-African Union leadership is currently unprepared for the talks scheduled for October 27th in Libya.

"The AU and UN mediation until now have failed to detail very precisely who will be invited to the peace talks," news agency quotes him as saying. "If the mediation fails to take this decision by 27 October, then JEM is not attending the peace talks. We don't want to start with chaos." Ibrahim also said the SLM had to "reform itself and make one delegation and one position".

When the conflict in Darfur began in 2003, there were only two rebel groups opposing the Sudanese military. In the past four years, the rebel movement has splintered into more than 15 disparate groups, some of which are nothing more than armed outlaws.

SLM leader has  refused to take part in the negotiations until a UN force is deployed in Darfur, and the pro-government militias are disarmed.

He has also chastised the choice of location of the peace talks, saying his group was not consulted and that a more neutral site should have been chosen.

"Even if we were to attend the negotiations it will not be ," he said. "We think that any negotiation is supposed to happen in a place which is not related to the conflict." Libya has been an important influence in the Darfur conflict. They are believed to have first armed militias with weapons and ideology in the 1980's, militias which became the current.

Meanwhile,, the US to Sudan, has said that the relationship between the governments of north and  is growing increasingly toxic. He added that the two-year-old would have to be discussed at the peace talks before the situation grew more dire. The agreement, signed in 2005, was aimed at bringing the two governments together as allies and partners in peace.

Mr. Natsios said that this has not happened, and that the north and south Sudanese governments are still opponents unable to find common ground.

"We are deeply concerned with the health of the CPA. The important deadlines have been missed... and trust is slowly being lost," said Mr. Natsios.

Speculation on the peace talks also includes questions about the deployment of the 26,000 strong force of (UNAMID). The deployment of the force has been delayed because and the AU have rejected non-African troops, and not enough African nations with well-trained and well-equipped soldiers have pledged to help.


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US scientist says he created first 'artificial life form'

October 6, 2007 According to reports, American biologist is going to announce that he has created the first ever "artificial life form" on Earth at the, a U.S.  and research center, using synthetic  made from chemicals.

The Guardian Unlimited reports that Venter may announce the discovery on Monday, but could publish the report within a few weeks.

"[This is] a very important philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability to do things never contemplated before," said Venter.

The discovery was made by 20 scientists on a team that was led by  which created the synthetic chromosome. The chromosome is filled with 580,000 'base pairs' of a genetic code, and is 381 genes in length. Using , the scientists broke down the genetic coding of the bacterium and removed a fifth of it, making sure that only the essential genetic products exist to support life. They then inject the bacterium into a living bacterial cell, where the new life form takes over, creating an entirely new species of life.

At least one test has been reported to be successful when scientists used a of a natural bacterium and implanted it into another cell. That bacterium took over that cell, creating a new form of life, and Venter says that he is "100% confident" that the scientists will be able to get the same results when using the synthetic chromosome.

Despite the reports, a spokeswoman for the offices where Venter works states that the Guardian Unlimited "jumped the gun" in reporting the event.

"The Guardian is ahead of themselves on this. We have not achieved what some have speculated we have in synthetic life. When we do so there will be a scientific publication and we are likely months away from that," said Heather Kowalski, the office's spokeswoman.


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2007 Rugby World Cup: New Zealand 18 - 20 France

October 6, 2007

France have defeated New Zealand 18-20 in the quarter-final of the 2007 Rugby World Cup at the Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales.

New Zealand led 13-3 at half time, after Dan Carter kicked two penalties and Luke McAlister scored a try. France missed chances to score with Lionel Beauxis and Jean-Baptiste Élissalde both missing penalties and Damien Traille missing a drop goal attempt. Lionel Beauxis scored France's first points with a penalty just before half time.

However, New Zealand centre Luke McAlister was harshly sin-binned early in the second half for illegally blocking a French player and preventing a try scoring opportunity. France took advantage of having the extra man, and levelled to 13-13 by the time the 10 minute suspension had elapsed with Lionel Beauxis adding a penalty and Thierry Dusautoir scoring a try. New Zealand then scored through Rodney So'oialo to regain the lead, but after Frédéric Michalak made a run, before passing to Yannick Jauzion who scored the try which was then converted, France led 20-18. The teams slogged it out for 15 minutes, but New Zealand could not make a breakthrough. Luke McAlister missed a last minute drop goal attempt as France held on to win.

Some New Zealand fans blamed the loss on English referee Wayne Barnes due to alleged bias towards the French team. Controversial decisions included Luke McAlister's sin binning and an apparent forward pass that led to France's second try, allowing them to take the lead. However, most neutrals also noted an apparent forward pass in the build up to an earlier New Zealand try and consider Barnes to have done a reasonable job in such a high profile game.

France advance to the semi-final stage of the tournament and will play England, who defeated Australia 12-10 earlier today, in a repeat of the 2003 semi-final.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Green Party candidate Torbjorn Zetterlund, Willowdale

October 6, 2007 Torbjorn Zetterlund is running for the Green Party of Ontario in the Ontario provincial election, in the Willowdale riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed him regarding his values, his experience, and his campaign.

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

Interview
'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * Seven years ago, I had a life-changing experience. I was paralyzed from the Guillain Barre Syndrome  and spent weeks in hospital unable to move around. I've since recovered but those weeks put things in perspective. I had time; I was removed from my daily life, where like many others I was spending my time chasing a dream of a bigger salary, bigger house. I watched TV; I saw programs about the environment and the effects of global warming and decided I should personally do "something" about it. I joined the Green party because the party's platform reflects my own values with its strong concern for the environment. I would like my children and others like them to enjoy clean air, clean land, and clean water and a sustainable future.

 * I also believe in serving my community. Willowdale is important to me, I have lived in the neighbourhood for seven years, most of the time I've been in Canada. It is place that is welcoming community that represents the best of Toronto. I founded [www.findmore.ca a community neighbourhood website], where I write articles on the environment and social issues and engage with members to form neighbourhood groups to discuss how they impact on local concerns. I am a volunteer coach for my kids’ soccer and ice hockey teams because I believe that involving children in a healthy life style is essential to their life-long well-being.

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * My grandfather was involved in city politics in Sweden and I learnt from, during my military service in Sweden, I was the union leader of the soldiers rights. I am a resource manager at a Toronto software firm. Coming from the world of project management, I know how to manage, motivate and empower people. My business experience has also taught me, that it’s important to fulfill promises you make to people, a crucial skill for a political representative.

'''Which of your competitors do you expect to pose the biggest challenge to your candidacy? Why? What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?'''
 * The older parties are a challenge because people tend to vote along party lines and that is hard to change. However, I believe people, young and old, are realizing the importance of a healthy environment, as I have done, and are starting to realize that the Green Party is a viable alternative to those parties that have failed to lead on this issue.

 * I am an open and friendly person and will be approachable to my constituents. My willingness to communicate is the key strength I bring to the table.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * The top three issues for voters in Willowdale are Environment, Health Care and Schools. My priorities are similar, except I would add Proportional Representation. This election, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the electoral system and make sure that every vote counts.

 * The Green Party has a comprehensive platform for addressing Environment, Health Care and Schools, based on sensible and affordable choices. We would shift taxes from income or payroll to waste and pollution. This will promote good policy without costing more. Cleaner air and water will mean lower health costs. Last year 88,000 people went to Emergency Rooms because of air pollution-caused difficulties. We also need to focus on preventive medicine and encourage our Health Care system to use alternative medicine, where appropriate, to keep us healthy. We should be encouraging children and adults to eat right and be active by providing nutrition education and counselling and exercise programs.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly?
 * The Green Party would implement its economic plan of shifting taxes to shift behaviours and to upload services to the province that has been downloaded by previous governments, so we can start building stronger more sustainable cities in our province.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * At the centre of the Green Party’s platform is a new way of thinking about taxes – where we shift from taxing what you earn to what you burn. With regards to property taxes, this would mean replacing the existing system with a "location value tax" based only on land and not building values, to encourage denser growth in urban areas.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * Ontario could create many new jobs by shifting our economy to green technology. The province can stimulate job creation by reducing taxes on employment (which will be replaced by a carbon tax), by supporting new technology, by encouraging the manufacturing of wind turbines, fuel-efficient vehicles, public transit, eco-tourism, energy efficient materials and construction. We don’t have to keep doing things the old way.

 * Also, I would urge people to buy locally produced goods which will stimulate our economy while it helps to reduce pollution.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation (MMP) referendum?
 * If we want to have democratic representation in this province we must move to Mixed Member Proportional Representation. The current method has repeatedly produced governments that have had a majority of seats with anywhere from 37% - 48% of the votes. No wonder voters are apathetic. They are not being heard and a majority doesn’t choose the government.

 * MMP is a system chosen by a group of Ontario citizens who researched all options and have recommended this one. Canada is one of the few remaining democracies still using an outmoded unfair system.

'''What role, if any, does “new media” play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube videos, etc) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * New media is an important part of the Green Party’s campaign. The official website (www.gpo.ca) offers blogs and multimedia – including a video of Frank de Jong responding to the Leader’s Debate that was broadcast simultaneously with the official traditional media event. The Willowdale Green Party website (http://www.willowdalegreenparty.ca/) is currently a bit more bare bones, but we plan to keep beefing it up as resources allow. When we find good such as YouTube’s John Cleese video explaining proportional representation or the BBC documentary Global Dimming we will post I.

'''Of the decisions made by Ontario's 38th Legislative Assembly, which was the most beneficial to your this electoral district? To the province as a whole? Which was least beneficial, or even harmful, to your this riding? To the province as a whole?'''
 * The efforts to offer rebates for more efficient appliances and cars was a step in the right direction. The failure of the provincial government to provide funding for Toronto’s infrastructure has caused underfunding of the TTC, greater gridlock and resultant air pollution and is costs our econmomy huge amounts of money every day.

 * The least beneficial decision to our riding was the failure to close the dirty, coal-burning generating plants at Nanticoke http://www.cleanairalliance.org/resource/elect07.pdf and Lambton which are the major causes of smog in Willowdale and Ontario as a whole.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Green Party candidate Brett McKenzie, London North Centre

October 6, 2007 Brett McKenzie is running for the Green Party of Ontario in the Ontario provincial election, in the London North Centre riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed him regarding his values, his experience, and his campaign.

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

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'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * The first time I was able to vote, in the fall of the year I turned eighteen, I read the platforms and policies of the various parties and I voted Green. After that, I started voting against people.  For ten years, I inflicted my vote on the politician I thought was the worst, rather than awarding it to the best.  I felt disenfranchised.  I really had no voice in this democracy, except to complain.  Finally, I had had enough, and voted the way I really wanted to.  After that, I was happy about democracy again.  I've been hooked ever since.  This is where the future is decided.  The exchange of ideas is vital to the process, and it's my favourite part.  Some of the highlights of this campaign have been conversations with competing parties.  I'm running in London North Centre because it's where I live, and I want to be able to shape the destiny of my neighbourhood, in my city, in my province.

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * I've been a member of the Green Party since 2004, shortly after the last election. I've been on the Constituency Association since shortly after I joined.  This is my first run for public office.  I have been involved politically with the Kinsmen and Kinettes of Canada: club executive, club president, district treasurer and secretary, and in a bid for national office, as well.  I understand democracy, the history of Ontario, the issues at hand, and the steps required to address those issues.  I understand other cultures and all faiths.  I understand people from all backgrounds.  I am intelligent.  I am a problem-solver.

'''Which of your competitors do you expect to pose the biggest challenge to your candidacy? Why? What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?'''
 * The incumbent is the biggest challenge, aside from the voters themselves. The incumbent has the immediate benefit of name recognition and a pretty good track record in office.  She's done a pretty good job, just for the wrong party, in my opinion.  The voters are a challenge because some of the policies that the Green Party are suggesting seem strange and radical.  In some ways, they are: comprehensive, inclusive, and holistic.  We don't compartmentalize policy.  Transit=climate change=health=economy.  They're all connected.  And that's what makes any Green candidate the best option: we're thinking of the whole picture, now and tomorrow.  I understand this city.  I understand this province.  I understand the challenges we will face, and I'm prepared to take step NOW to address them.  I'm ready to educate the other politicians in Queen's Park, and tell them what I think needs to be done.  I also know that there's no such thing as a free lunch, and we're going to have to pay up, sooner or later.  i don't want my daughter to have to pick up the tab.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * In London, as with most communities in Ontario, the three most important issues to voters will be health care, health care, and health care. I agree that health care is important, but it can't be addressed in isolation.  We need to make sure we have enough doctors.  We must also provide doctors with support from other health care professionals.  We must address quality of life issues for health care workers, and the populace at large.  We must clean up our air, water and soil.  We must produce our food locally.  We must plan our communities to encourage walking and transit use (more exercise means less obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and more transit means less air pollution and fewer respirator illnesses).  We must discourage sprawl.  We must address poverty.  We must provide shelter.  To look at any one issue in isolation misses the point: our society is interconnected, and our government policy should be, too.

 * The main issues that concern me are sprawl, climate change, and peak oil. Once again, these issues are interconnected, they all feed one another, and we must address all of them together: better planned communities means less commuting, lower GHG emissions, and more time before we run out of fossil fuels.  It also means a healthier community, and a closer, healthier food supply, etc.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly?
 * Preparing for the coming energy crisis. Conservation must be our watchword.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * Currently, no, because existing taxpayers must not only pay for services, but must also subsidize new development, expanded infrastructure, and repairing our existing infrastructure, in addition to providing a whole host of services downloaded by the previous government and not yet uploaded. And since property taxes are really the only way municipalities can raise funds, they must continually increase to cover costs.  However, uploading services in some way only reduces a municipal tax to replace it with a provincial one, so the taxpayer doesn't see it as plainly, but still pays it.  We must allow municipalities to stop subsidizing new development, and develop new revenue streams ot cover costs, while we upload some services to give them a little wiggle room.  Municipalities must be able to choose their destinies.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * What we do currently, propping up failing industries, is a short term solution. Investing in sustainable industries: green power, green manufacturing, manufacturing based on renewable resources, sustainable farming, will go much farther.  So will encouraging more local economies.  Our global economy is remarkable centralized.  A part is made here, another in Kentucky, and another in Hokkaido.  The whole thing is assembled in Michigan.  This means fewer jobs.  But if things were built locally, and designed locally, and sold locally, and repaired locally, and recycled locally, then we would have a much more vibrant, interesting, sustainable and flexible economy.  That means more jobs.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation (MMP) referendum?
 * Ontario must change the way we vote. FPTP works when there are two parties. We haven't had that for a long time.  What we get now is artificial majorities, where as little as 38% of the vote gets a majority of the seats.  MMP is not perfect.  But it takes the best aspects of FPTP and PR, and combines them into a workable system that will better serve voters.  Especially voters who aren't happy with traditional politicking in Ontario.

'''What role, if any, does "new media" play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube videos, etc) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * I had wanted to do more, but there is so much tradtional politics that new media got sidelined a little. I did get a couple of videos filmed, and they are posted.  The GPO is aggressively pursuing new media exposure, because we are being largely ignored by big media.  Local media is doing a much better job, but big papers and TV have left us out of the discussion.  It is largely beneficial, since our focus as a party is on a sustainable future, and that appeals to younger demographics who are more likely to pay attention to new media.  It is, however, a challenge.  The Internet is a really big place, and you have to be loud, funny or interesting to be noticed.  "Hipness" becomes an issue the way charisma did when TV got involved, and the well orchestrated soundbite can now when an election.  I wish it was different, that ideas would carry the most weight, but ideas can be spread by YouTube and Facebook pretty well.

'''Of the decisions made by Ontario's 38th Legislative Assembly, which was the most beneficial to your this electoral district? To the province as a whole? Which was least beneficial, or even harmful, to your this riding? To the province as a whole?'''
 * The best decision was to replace lost funding for health care and education. We've taken steps that will help repair these vital social services.  More must be done, but immediate funding was desperately needed.  This helped my riding and every other riding in Ontario.  The worst decision was to not close the coal fired generating plants.  They are responsible for about a quarter of Ontario's GHG emissions, and climate change is going to cost us a hell of a lot, and not just in economic terms.  This costs all Ontarians, even those not born yet.  If we had focussed on conservation, rather than nuclear, would have been able to get those plants shut down, and been well on our way to meeting our Kyoto targets.


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Registered sex offender arrested for luring MySpace teenager to meeting

October 6, 2007 Virginia police arrested William Joe Mitchell today. Authorities allege the registered sex offender lured 15-year-old Alyssa Frank over the social networking website, myspace.com.

Virginia State Police said Mitchell was arrested outside of Winchester without incident at a gas station named "The Flying J Truck Stop."

Frank was found earlier this week at a Wal-Mart in DeFuniak Springs, Florida, after allegedly being abandoned by a suspected abductor.

Grady Judd, the Polk County Sheriff, said that Frank left her house in Bartow, Florida in the early hours Monday morning to meet Mitchell. The two went to Alabama before returning to DeFuniak Springs on the Florida Panhandle.

Sheriff Judd told CNN that Mitchell said he was 24, not 46.

Frank's father, Rodger, told CNN that he had no idea his daughter was communicating with Mitchell over the internet and he urged all parents to talk to their children about their online activity. "We have to watch [our children] harder. We don't know everything," he said. Sheriff Judd warned others who might be trying to take advantage of children, "We'll hunt you down like the felon and criminal you are. You keep your hands off our children."

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Luring
What was he luring her to? Also, I think the article title probably needs to lose "suspectedly"... it's not a word. Lyellin 22:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


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People don't get how evil teens can be. Contralya 22:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:US scientist says he created first 'artificial life form'/Comments

In less than 50 years, we are going to see this tech come into use. I mean, they already have a chip they can put in you to let you remote control something. Contralya 22:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

"using synthetic chromosomes made from chemicals." What, exactly, is meant by this?

It means assembling microscopic life. All they need to do is make it so they can program it to multiply, program it's instincts etc, and you have a prototype life form. Presumably, it could be used to make replacements for lost limbs and damaged organs. Contralya 05:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Or cloning. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't stand the misunderstanding that surrounds cloning. Most opposition to it is religion based, and it isn't like you put someone into a machine and make a copy. And, just because you clone a person, doesn't make it the same person, they wouldn't have the same memories, and any given individual's personality is determined by their childhood. It doesn't only have human implications, we could create a race of non-sapient life forms to be our slaves (humans have enslaved wild animals like cows and horses...)! These ideas are were bioethics get complicated. Contralya 13:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

created?
The story does not describe life being "created". To create life, you can't first require a living bacterium to modify.

 * But this is talking about creating ARTIFICIAL life. Contralya 15:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite surprised there are so few comments on something this huge. This is big news. And quite frankly I'm scared of it. Rogutaan 22:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with both of you. Then again, this sounds very similar to an experiment I read about in an old book... Mutton333 21:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:New Zealand Marilyn Manson concert evacuated due to fire scare

I think this qualifies is wackynews. Contralya 22:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Why? Lyellin 22:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It is unusual, and kind of wacky. Preforming in a concert, they can't get the people to leave because of a fire, that isn't your run of the mill disaster... Contralya 12:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Manson Kicked Ass
I live in new zealand and attended the concert at auckland town hall and all i can say is kiwis are a bunch of pussys! i was pushing security gaurds out of the way no way were they gonna stop me from seeing manson! For all metal fans new zealand is crap for bogans/goths there are so many damn fucken emos and gangstas here! im a total metal head wishing this country would change but it wont! Metal heads im sorry but new zealand is shit! Please if you can all gangsta crap that goes on in new zealand go in and leave your opinion about how crap it is! its about time new zealand stoped being such a pussy country and moved on to real music!! METAL FOREVER!!!

In Peru a couple o Salsa Singers known as Servando and Florentino not only ignored the firefigthers when they tryed to stop the concert due to people getting hurt and fainting but also they attacked them on stage causeing more panic. he result was : About 7 persons died

Marilyn Manson might look like to many like an irrresponsible as···le but he´´s has alwasy ben number one when it comes to the security of his fans. It´´s not the first time he decides to stop a concert at the minor possibility of trouble. I wish more artist care about the people who follow them as this artist does. Bellhelly


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How can people be so stupid as to think it is safe to have an encounter with someone you only know online? Contralya 01:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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Euro 2008 Qualification: Republic of Ireland vs. Germany

October 13, 2007

Germany have qualified for Euro 2008 after a 0-0 draw with Republic of Ireland.

It was an evenly contested match with many scoring opportunities. Bastian Schweinsteiger went off with a head injury in the 1st half.

Both teams had their chances until the final whistle was blown. But Germany ended up celebrating as they join co-hosts Austria and Switzerland for Euro 2008.


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Wikinews:Dynamic quiz/quiz/2007/41

Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

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Comments:2007 Rugby World Cup: New Zealand 18 - 20 France

First of all, I'll declare that I'm a New Zealander and so it is fair to say is is possible that I may be somewhat biased. On the other hand, I shall attempt to explain why I have lost confidence in the administration of Rugby as a result of watching this match.

1. The sin binning of Luke McAlister was entirely unwarranted, and appeared to be the result of a theatrical performance that we normally associate with the round ball game by the French player who fooled this junior referee. New Zealanders don't do theatrics and it is a shame to see this sort of nonsense introduced into the game.

Had the referee had the use of replays before pulling out his yellow card, he would have realised this.

As a direct result of the referees wrong decision, the French scored a try and conversion amounting to 7 points.

2. The same junior referee apparently missed the forward pass that led to the second French try.

As a direct result of the referees wrong decision, the French scored another try and conversion amounting to a nother 7 points.

3. Now you will notice that I declared that I was a New Zealander. I notice that the junior referee was English. Given the result of the Australia / England match, England were scheduled to play the winner of this match. Based on previous form, if you were English, who would you rather play? AB's or French? I have been assured by a friend who is an avid football fan, that there is no way an English person would have reffed a game with such a conflict of interest.

4. Now to take a kind slant, the referee at best made a couple of crucial "mistakes" that cost the AB's 14 points. It is of course possible that there is a more sinister explanation as has happened in cricket (ie matchfixing). I believe it is crazy that everyone in the world saw within 10 seconds that Luke McAlister did not intentionally take a player out and that the French passed the ball forward. Everyone in the world that is except the referee. I believe the defending captain must have the RIGHT to appeal to the 3rd referee before a try is confirmed. This is the only way that refs who have made a genuine mistake and cheating refs can be prevented from changing the course of history. Until this is done, rugby, like cricket before replays 3rd umpires were introduced (although I believe they also need to give the batsman the right to appeal an out decision) is in fact a farce.

I'll be the first to admit the AB's played a bad game. We were out thought tactically and didn't change game plan. I would love to have seen us kick and chase over the rushing defense. We probably made selection errors (where were Howlett and Mealamu?). But any team would struggle to win against a 14 point referee bias. We played bad, we made mistakes, but we didn't deserve to lose this game.

Beating 15 other players is tough enough, 16 we couldn't quite do.

Why are people so angry?
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NZ public
The All Blacks players have a well deserved reputation of fair play. Too bad their public and their fans do not follow suit. NZ doesn't make it to the Final (and not even the Semi) once again. Either the whole world (and not just "the English cheating referee") is conspiring against the ABs... or there's something the team does wrong.

Barnes
I am also a New Zealander, so my view of this game is most probably biased. I think that while the All Blacks weren't playing to par in the 2nd half, the sin-binning of Luke McAlister (in which France scored a legitiment try) and the allowance of a try from a forward pass is inexcusable. And I doubt Barnes would of called advantage over if Luke McAlister had not attempted that drop goal. And Barnes did this while the ball was already in the air.

I also noticed that Paddy O'Brien from the IRB referee panel admitted that the pass was forward and should have not been awarded.

It was a terrible 2nd half by the All Blacks and there were terrible decisions made by the referee, but I must admit, the French did play well in the 2nd half. I don't know whether or not I agree with the theories that Barnes was trying to let England have an easier opponent in the semi-finals, but I know that some of his decisions were terrible. I am just grateful that he was not given the job of refereeing any further matches, but maybe if he did, it would show whether or not he was trying to give England an easier match-up.

I expect facts not fiction to be posted on wikipedia.

There are no educated rugby critics who believe the final score of this match to have been representative of the true score, had a better qualified and experienced referee been present.

There is no known equal example of when a northern hemisphere team has been treated so unjustily in such a big tournament by a southern hemisphere referee in the history of rugby... let alone in the entire history of rugby played by northern hemisphere teams in the southern hemisphere.

I am repsponding to your so-called news section "Indeed, northern hemisphere teams have consistently been on the wrong end of poor decisions on tours of New Zealand and considered the controversy to be little more than sour grapes." Get your facts straight before entering them as facts and certainly don't enter un-substantiated facts (aka dubious opinion) as news!!

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lies!!!!!!!! france cheated! the ref was soo bias!!!1

write that new zealand were better than the french team!! and that they lost due to cheating by the french —129.180.93.145 (talk) 05:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)