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Mr. W said
Perhaps it would be better to state that in a different way, as almost all sentences start with Mr. W said. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed a couple Mr. Whitlam said to he said etc. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I seem to have trouble transcribing speeches :( - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

What does everyone else think of this
Does anyone know what the government/anybody else thinks of his speech (For neutrality and balance)? I looked but can't seem to find anything. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I looked and found nothing either. I think the government is just going to pretend it never happened - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Frustration is a good thing.
The whole point of a bicameral parliament is to make the status quo stronger than radical change. The House and the Senate are designed to have different electoral systems and produce different results.

The reason we have the staggered double Senate terms is to act as a brake on someone who is instantly but not consistently popular. It is generally a very good system that has served us well ( I think we are 1 of 4 countries that have 100 years of uninterrupted democracy and universal sufferage. ). The Senate more accurately reflects public opinion because it has proportional representation, unlike the House which silences 20-25% of electors who do not agree with either Liberal or Labor, but the Senate is slower to respond to the changes of pulic opinion because of the staggered terms.

I would vote against any proposal that did away with staggered terms (which requires a constitutional change).

It should be work to get something throught the Senate because governence should be for the whole of society, not just the majority which by definition is what the Government of the day represents.

 * Personally I would support fixed-terms for the house of reps, but the senate should be left alone. I think the senate model is perfect - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally I would support fixed-terms for the house of reps, but the senate should be left alone. I think the senate model is perfect - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


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Australian PM doesn't support Queensland party amalgamation

May 30, 2006

The highest ranking member of the Liberal Party of Australia, Prime Minister John Howard has said he would not support a joining together of the Queensland Liberal and National parties.

The Prime Minister said, pointedly: "There is one thing that I will fight for to my last political breath, is to preserve the nationwide unity of the Liberal Party of Australia. I don’t want any arrangement that in any way disturbs that". Mr Howard's statements come after the Queensland branches of both parties held separate meetings where the proposal to amalgamate them was supported in-principle.

In an interview with ABC Radio yesterday, Mr Howard said there had only been an agreement made to discuss whether a merger of the two parties should occur and that nothing was concrete at this stage. Mr Howard warned that the proposal would need to be discussed with both parties at a federal level and that the state's decision would not be able to be made in isolation.

The Australian leader said that as the leader of the Liberal party he would not support any move that would dilute the party's identity. "Now speaking for myself as leader of the Liberal Party throughout the country, I am totally opposed to anything that would alter the existing identity of the Liberal Party," he said.

"I am opposed to any new name for the Liberal Party in Queensland, I don’t want New Liberals, or Old Liberals, I just want the Liberal Party of Australia operating throughout the country" Mr Howard told ABC Radio.

Mr Howard said that he believes the coalition between the Liberal and National parties had served him well over the past ten years and that he supports a close relationship between the two parties.

The Prime Minister hinted that the only merger he would support would be one in which the Liberal party takes over the National party. He said he would not support a new conservative party in the state.

While quick to say that he was not wishing for National party members to quit the national party and join the Liberals, it was noted Mr Howard did not say he was opposed to the idea.

In the statesman's view the Queensland Liberals are part of a nation-wide party, and Mr Howard vowed to fight any proposal that would split them from the rest of the country.

Australia's highest ranked National party member, Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile has said that he sees little need for change. He told ABC Radio that he believes the coalition have a "winning formula" federally. Mr Vaile also said he had concerns about how the proposal could affect the coalition at the federal level.

Mr Vaile said that the decision to merge would be left to the National party's Queensland members. He said that the national party operates differently to other parties in that it is based at a divisional level within each state and then forms together federally. Essentially, each state branch can operate differently from others so long as it fits into the federal system.


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New Zealand to get new postal codes

May 30, 2006

New Zealand Post is set to new bring in four digit postal codes for New Zealand, at a cost of $80 million (NZD).

The New Zealand Herald reported that a new postal code system will be revealed Wednesday, May 31.

There will be 1800 different zones and an automatic mail sorter will sort the mail into 10,000 different mailboxes within the new zones.

On Thursday everyone will get a sheet in their mailbox explaining the changes.

New Zealand Post communications spokesman Richard MacLean said that hundreds of jobs will be lost, mainly in provincial areas such as Tauranga, Taupo and New Plymouth.

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Strange - and there I was thinking that we already have post codes! R2b2 04:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I hope my local one doesn't change, I had just got use to 2751 :( Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It most likely will. nzgabriel 09:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


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User:GKunz

I was a fairly long-term Wikipedia editor (>10,000 edits, > 18 months as of May 2006 under a different user name). For my participation on Wikinews, I felt that I should use my real name (or at least a partial version of my real name).

I live in Southern California and have a degree in Biological Science. It is likely that most of the articles that I will help write for Wikinews will be about Southern California or be something about the sciences, although the freelance writing that I've done in the past has covered a wider range of topics.

Some observations and suggestions about Wikinews

 * Note: this is a work in progress

In my opinion, Wikinews currently does not have the personnel or resources to cover a wide range of news stories and therefore operate like a major news daily. That means that many of the news stories on the Wikinews have been basically rewrites of news from other sources. I don't think that really provides a good service for the Wikinews or makes good use of the wiki processes. These rewrites, in my opinion, also push the limits of fair use according to US copyright law (and have even changed the copyright notices of some news services).

Here are a few of my suggestions for Wikinews that should make a much more valuable news resource for its readers:

1) Overview and more comprehensive articles: Instead of emulating a daily newspaper, I think it is better to look at the articles in weekly and monthly newsmagazines as a model for most Wikinews articles (for example: TIME magazine, Newsweek, The Economist, or Der Spiegel). Instead of writing an article on the latest scientific study on nutritional supplements (i.e. over-the-counter medicinal herbs in the US), the article would use that report as the starting point for a discussion of that study and other studies that have done in the last couple of years, and also discuss the legal aspects of supplements. To do this type of report properly, it would probably require that Wikinews reporters volunteer for specific news beats.

2) News analysis: Here the model is the news analysis reports that the some AP editors do such as Analysis: Democrats wary of November vote. These are news reports that go beyond just reporting the basic facts of who/what/where and instead tries to explain what the news means. This might require some modification of the Wikinews NPOV policy, but I think that this type of news story is okay for Wikinews as long as it is properly labeled and doesn't become an editorial or piece of advocacy.

3) Special topic news: There are quite a few websites that do a good job of reporting the news on specific topics, but if you are interested in several different topics, that means that you have to go to several different websites. General newspapers and news websites usually do a very poor job of reporting the news on special topics. Take science news for example. Even for the few major newspapers that have reporters assigned to a science beat, they can only do a few large articles per week and rely upon the AP and other news services for the few other science news articles that they do each week.

4) Regional and international comparisons and overviews: Other places in the same country and other places around the world experience many of the same problems, but often come up with different solutions. For example, a news report about a death row inmate exonerated by DNA evidence could be a starting point for looking at how different states and different counties handle DNA evidence (and Capital punishment).

5) Indepth articles on unusual and offbeat topics: The model would be "Column One" for the Los Angeles Times and the "A-Hed" in column four for the Wall Street Journal.

6) News Gateway: The Guardian's World News Guide is a great resource listing English-language publications around the world. They all do interesting reporting on both local and international issues. It would be great to see a "Best of International News" highlighting some of the best and most interesting news around the world.

A Couple of other points
Here are a couple of other points that I think need to be considered:

a) Wikinews is not paper, and not a 'newspaper': Both issues really need to be looked at. What the websites for mainstream media (MSM) organizations do, for the most part, is republish what has been printed in their print publications. Publication on the internet, however, does not have the same constraints as print publications. Everything including titles, formatting, and article length, should be reconsidered and reevaluated.

b) Wikinews is an internet publication: A major frustration for me when reading news articles on MSM websites is that they rarely take full advantage of the interconnectivity that the internet facilitates. A science article, for example, will often refer to an article in Science magazine, for example, without providing a link to the original article. An article on a disease, especially a rare one, should have links to one or more good references for the reader to get further information. If the article is on a natural disaster, there should be links for readers who would like to donate to disaster relief organizations.

A final comment
I also think that Wikinews should regularly poll its readers to see what they link about Wikinews, and where they would like to see improvements (as well as soliciting comments about what they like and don't like about other internet news sources).

An interesting article on the potentials of citizen journalism
It’s not just where you are, it’s what you know | Ethan Zuckerman

 * "It’s interesting to think about other subjects where citizen media might be able to bring expertise to the table that professional journalists might lack. When Grigoi Perelman refused the Field Medal for his work proving Poincaire’s conjecture, most newspapers didn’t even attempt to explain the substance of Perelman’s work - it would have been interesting to see how a citizen media site with mathematician reporters would have covered the story. (Alas, Wikinews, which likely had mathematicians reporting the story didn’t do much better. At least they tried.) Mathematician reporters would also have an interesting set of insights on stories involving economic statistics, statistical analysis, climate change extrapolations… it makes you wonder why math departments aren’t encouraging projects like Jurist."

Useful links on citizen journalism

 * Citizen journalism – NUJ launches Code National Union of Journalists (British Isles)
 * "The NUJ launched a code of practice to address the important issues raised by the phenomenon of ‘citizen journalism’ last week (24/1/05). It will be known as the Witness Contributors’ Code of Practice."
 * 'Witness Contributors’ Code of Practice .DOC file
 * From Yahoo! New's Beta You Witness News
 * Center for Citizen Media: University of California and Harvard Law School

 * BBC's Good Shooting Guide: the basic principles BBC

 * Our Media: Personal Media Learning Center

 * WikiNews: Original Reporting

 * J-Lab: The Institute for Interactive Journalism Pew Center for Civic Journalism

 * The Largemouth Citizen Journalism Manual

 * South Carolina Citizen Journalism Project: The First Year

Some attempts at citizen journalism by major internet websites:

 * MSNBC's Citizen Journalist Report
 * Yahoo News You Witness News - photos only

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You didn't have to welcome yourself you know. :) [But it is a useful collection of links.] --Brian McNeil / talk 10:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Earthquake kills thousands in Indonesia

May 27, 2006 An earthquake measuring 6.3 struck Indonesia's  and  early on Saturday morning, killing at least 5,427 people, and injuring thousands more. Severe damage has been reported in the city of Yogyakarta, with over three thousand buildings having collapsed and electricity and communications links broken. The (USGS) reports that the quake struck at 5:54 a.m. local time (2254 UTC Friday) and the epicentre was offshore, approximately 25 km (15 miles) southwest of the city.

Nearby, which has seen increased activity in recent weeks, had emitted a large cloud of purple smoke and shortly before the earthquake, and vulcanologists have confirmed that the earthquake has increased the volcano's activity. Indonesia lies on the, a zone containing the boundaries of tectonic plate that encircles the basin of the Pacific Ocean, and is prone to earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

Hospital efforts were being hampered by, which the USGS have measured as being up to 4.8 in , and currently by a lack of doctors, beds, and medical supplies. The Indonesian Transport Minister Hatta Radjasa has said that the earthquake has damaged the Yogyakarta, closing it to air traffic until at least Sunday.

Many countries have offered aid to the devastated region, with the United Kingdom offering three million pounds ($5,600,000 U.S), Australia offering three million Australian dollars ($2,270,000 U.S) China offering two million U.S dollars, and the United States, European Union, Japan, and offering further immediate aid. The, Red Crescent, as well as UNICEF have been providing tents and emergency supplies to the victims.

Many residents spent the night outdoors, either afraid to return for fear of more aftershocks, or because they had lost their homes. In the Bantul district, up to 80% of houses were destroyed, leaving an estimated 150,000 homeless. The Indonesian President,, visited the disaster area and has called in the army to assist in rescue efforts.

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User talk:217.196.227.120

First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-n-paste versions of articles which are published under a restrictive copyright. A copy and paste like that is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase those even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases. Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources.

Thanks again! --Deprifry|+T+ 11:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Toronto transit workers strike illegally

Nearly a million commuters were immobilized and some businesses closed as Toronto Transit Commission workers walked off the job yesterday and formed picket lines outside subway stations, bus terminals and other TTC facilities. None of their buses, streetcars or subway trains were operational.

Some service in the Greater Toronto Area continued through other transit services, but was of limited use without a link to downtown Toronto.

TTC workers said they'd been locked out, but Toronto Mayor David Miller and the Ontario Labour Relations Board ruled yesterday afternoon that the walkout was illegal and ordered employees back to work. They complied with this order. They had not complied with a cease-and-desist order issued that morning.

Service resumed sporadically during the evening (after rush hour) and is expected to continue as normal today.


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U.S. Military truck crash kills civilians; Kabul riots

May 30, 2006 Kabul Afghanistan saw the worst violence on Monday since the fall of the Taliban, after a large U.S. Military cargo truck crashed into about a dozen vehicles at an intersection in Kabul killing at least 7 civilians and injuring about 40. "There was a traffic jam and all the vehicles were stopped," said one witness, 21-year old shopkeeper Mohammad Wali. "The American convoy hit all the vehicles which were on the way. They didn't care about the civilians at all."

A U.S. military spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Paul Fitzpatrick, said no U.S. troops had been hurt, and that an investigation has begun into the incident.

The U.S. military also said the crash was caused by brake failure but Afghans often complain about aggressive driving tactics of the U.S. military. Convoys often pass through crowded areas at high speed and occasionally disregard road rules. U.S. military says such driving is necessary to protect the troops from attack.

Afghan rioters also claimed U.S. troops had shot and killed civilians at the scene of the accident.

Chanting "Death to America," rioters stoned the U.S. convoy involved in the accident Monday before heading to the center of Kabul where they ransacked offices of international aid groups and searched for foreigners. Smoke billowed from burning buildings along the path of destruction.


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Dutch pedophiles set to go political

May 30, 2006

A group of pedophiles in the Netherlands will make a political party tomorrow, May 31. The party titled Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit (NVD) - Neighbourly Love, Freedom and Diversity - is set to enter the 2007 Tweede Kamer (Lower House) elections, though they are not expected to gain any seats.

Controversially, the party - or NVD - wants to abolish the legal minimum age for youth sexual contact with other youth, lower the legal minimum age for sexual contact with adults to 12, then eventually abolish age restrictions altogether. The members think, contrary to established law protecting minors from sexual abuse, legalising voluntary sex at a young age will diminish the risk of excesses.

Ad van den Berg, one of the pedophile party's founders, says: "Forbidding it will only feed the curiosity of children. (...) Raising children also means letting them get acquainted with sex." The minimum ages for youth-youth sex and youth-adult sex in the Netherlands currently stands at 16 and 18 respectively.

The NVD also wants to decriminalise much of the porn industry with plans to legalize the possession of child pornography. They want to lower the minimum age for participation in a pornography production; this currently stands at 18, but the group wants the age to be lowered to 12. The child sex advocates from the NVP say any child who is sexually active at age 12 could voluntarily act in a porn movie.

The party also wants to establish a child pornography "hallmark", which would somehow ensure involvement of minors in a specific production was voluntary.

Ireen van Engelen exposes the underlying motives of the small but radical group of pedophile campaigners: "They make it appear as if they wish for more rights for children, but their stance that children from age 12 up should be allowed to enter into sexual contacts of course only serves their own interest."

Political scientist Joop van Holsteyn thinks the establishment of the NVD to decriminalise acts most people find abhorrent is a Trojan horse to insert the subject into an otherwise unwilling political debate. "What is ethically sound is not laid down in the law: it is an element of the political struggle. If it gains publicity, they already have attained their goal, but they will find more opponents than proponents."

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Operation Marham:India rushes aid to Indonesia

May 30, 2006

The Indian government has begun to send humanitarian aid to the earthquake hit Yogyakarta region of Indonesia. The relief effort, named Operation Marham involves the Indian Air Force and the Indian Navy and aims to deliver aid materials to the victims.

Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee was away on an official visit to China and Japan - a result of which the Indian response was initially delayed. Mr. Mukherjee, however, on Sunday night asked the Defence Ministry to make preparations to dispatch aid to Indonesia immediately.

On the sea, the naval vessel INS Rajput has been redeployed from the South China Sea to Jakarta. It is expected to reach the Indonesian capital with 7 tons of relief material today. The INS Tabar will leave the port of Chennai, India, today carrying additional aid.

In the air, an I.A.F cargo plane carrying 35 tons of relief material has been sent to Indonesia. Another airforce plane, an IL-76, will fly out from India today carrying a similar quantity of relief material.

Among the supplies India is sending to the victims of the Indonesian earthquake are tents, medical equipment and rice. Military doctors may also be sent to aid the casualties.

The Indian President Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam and Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh conveyed their condolences to the Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.


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East Timor: President Gusmão takes emergency powers to quell unrest

May 30, 2006

President Xanana Gusmão has taken special security powers in a bid to quell the violence raging in East Timor. The period of emergency rule, which would last 30 days, was imposed to "prevent violence and avoid further fatalities" and lead to "rapid reestablishment of public order." Gusmão, a popular former guerilla leader, will take sole control of the army and police and also the management of the 1,300 strong Australian-led peacekeeping force on the troubled island.

At least 27 people have been killed, criminal documents reported stolen, and looting widespread in the East Timorese capital, Dili during the present period of unrest.

The Australian military commander in East Timor, Brigadier Michael Slater has called the mobs "gutless thugs."

The decision to give emergency powers to President Gusmão was taken in "close collaboration" with Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri. Mr Alkatiri was unable to stop the rioting that followed the government's decision in March to lay-off 600 soldiers when they refused to work, complaining of discrimination.

As the disorder grew during April and May, East Timor appealed for international assistance. Justice Minister Domingos Sarmento said that Portugal had offered to provide East Timor with 120 security personnel by the weekend.


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User talk:Ealturner

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Ealturner's talk archive
Page one of archived discussion here

Headlines for all these Israel-Hezbollah stories...
Do you think it's an idea to standarize the headlines for those stories? Like "Day 42: Israel-Hezbollah conflict" or "Israel-Hezbollah conflict (Day 42)" or something? I'm not really sure if it's a good idea at all, just playing with the thought... I think we need a template or something for the stories. Seems like it's gonna last for some days to come. --Jambalaya 00:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I support that idea. "Hezbollah-Israel war: Day #" would do me. But I would only support "Hezbollah-Israel" for alphabetical and chronological reasons. I only say that because you wrote in your title above the other way around. Unless we drop the country names and give the war a nickname. Ealturner 00:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Removing De-admin request
I will be removing your 2nd de-admin request regarding PVJ in a few moments. You have made no attempt at an external dispute resolution. You have a personal disagreement with the admin, and repeated de-admin requests against the user appears to be your chosen form of harrassment. If you truly feel the admin has violated the community's trust and/or their privileges, please work through the dispute resolution process including a Request for Arbitration to the Arbitration Committee. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 14:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Amgine, I have been in contact with PVJ on Brianmc's talk page. PVJ has refused to communicate directly with me. As you are an administrator I will leave it up to you whether to reinstate my complaint, that PVJ has abused his powers for a third time, on the administration page. Ealturner 14:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * 3RR is not an abuse of admin privilege. It is an abuse of editor privilege. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 14:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

PVJ is an administrator Ealturner 15:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hezbollah-Israel conflict continues, Israel issues Syria ultimatum
What NPOV problems do you see with this article? It looks ok to me, and I would like to try to get it published soon. --Cspurrier 14:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

My objection was with the title, which had quoted an unamed source, which you have now changed. Ealturner 14:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Zidaneheadbut.jpg
Unfortunately, this image cannot be hosted on Wikinews. This image is from a news source regarding a news event, and it cannot be used as a fair use image on Wikinews which is also a (competing) news source. It also does not fall into any category of the Wikinews Fair Use policy. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 15:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The use of the image was in accordance with a "fair use" rationale. Read more here Ealturner 15:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that we have a stricter fair use policy than on Wikipedia; we only allow a few types of fair use. —     15:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, which is why I linked to the Wikinews fair use policy. Wikipedia's policies are not in force on Wikinews, save where they are also the Wikinews tradition. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 16:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Neutralizer 3RR title violation
I'm not sure which article you're talking about — they both appear to be redirects. —     15:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Cspurrier and Doldrums have edited one of the articles. Go to the page and look in history. The latter one is currently here: (Israeli railroad station bombed). You can see the former on the mainpage. Neutralizer reverted more than three times, each in defiance of the concensus. Ealturner 16:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Harassment.
Please note that putting up a Request for de-Administratorship against a user less than 24 hours after the last one was resolved amounts to harassment. Further behaviour of this nature on your part will result in Administrative action being taken against you. PVJ(Talk) 17:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I find your harassment notice aggressive in intent. Wikinews is not a theatre of war and you are a bully. In violating the three revert rule you abused your editor privilege and as an administrator this was a clear abuse of your position for a third time. The first time you edited a protected page. The second time you unblocked yourself while blocked. You edited this protected page, protected due to your breaking of the 3rr, which makes four. Ealturner 17:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC) Edited: Ealturner 20:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Note: PVJ here archived the de-administratorship request himself. Administrator's note. Ealturner 20:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

For a neutral point of view,
Neutral point of view is something very difficult to achieve. When you rise the number of people with different origins, cultures, the difficulties begin and its unfortunalty normal, very human.

20 years ago i spoke with a journalist from a well known french newspaper : Le Monde. He explained to me that neutrality come because people from different sensibility write for Le Monde. it's works because there's chiefs in fact, it's the trick !

The NPOV writen into Wikinews policy, is alien for me, very strange for people outside english (more or less) culture. For me not neutral at all, a fake neutrality in fact. BUT i am trying to play the game for fun.

NPOV is not something we need dogmatic, it's not a sin to be un-neutral. All our life we are bombed by nonneutral information, it take time to understand that.

exemple : remember SS-20, it was the name of a russian nuclear weapon. It was not the official russian name BUT the name given by CIA. and SS usage was not neutral just after WWII. We all use words like SS-20, built by agency, lobbiists, gouvernment, ..., and because EVERYONE -we know- use this kind of word we think they're are neutral. but many are not.

You can pass your time checking each word for neutrality, but all you check is a very specific, a very self centric neutrality not shared by many others,...

And i do not speek of people openly for one political side (i hope no one work for political party or agency, brrrr) ...

We need open minded people not dogmatic zealot !

it's my POV of course ( i love these words)

Jacques Divol 22:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, it was nice of you to message me. As a trained journalist and an individual educated with two degrees I am happy to give my time to help you out here. I'm not a very political person.

My approach is open and methodical. Here it is. Perhaps you'd like to comment?

1. Words shall be used according to their dictionary definition. Words should not be applied out of context.

2. A.R.S.E :)

A - Attribute R - Relevance S - Source E - Everything

Nice to meet you :) Ealturner 23:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, normal people do not use dictionary, pro-writers like journalist do. Wikinews is not a pro-journalist nest :)
 * I agree with your second point, but remember that wikinewseers do not practice journalist courses about "how to find truth into gouvernmental press release". All we have to work our ARSE is our experience, our good will and intelligence and the will to share and work with other in order to propose the best we can of neutral revelante news.
 * see you ! Jacques Divol 11:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Jacques Divol, you hammered the nail in there. Wikinews aims for higher standards of neutrality than commerical news but has to do so without professional journalists. The "best we can" is probably the most we can expect. I'd need to run my own news site to get the news totally neutral under my system. That's not to say we should expect second best but that less experienced journalists or those who do not want neutrality will make life impossible for those who want NPOV in direct and indirect ways. Ealturner 14:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please be aware
I am finding your editing actions on articles related Israel to be disruptive, and pressing a personal point of view to the detriment of the NPOV policy. As an admin I am concerned at this behavior, especially from a user I consider to be a valuable contributor in articles dealing with other topics. Please be conscious of your personal biases, so you may fairly report news. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I am hurt by this. Can you give an example? Ealturner 23:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's my latest article. Arab League, Group of Eight leaders discuss crisis in the Levant. If there's something I'm doing wrong I'd like to know. I take the Wikinews NPOV mandate seriously. Ealturner 23:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I could further dissect this article, but frankly I haven't the time. These first few will have to suffice. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 00:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Amgine, you have torn that article to shreds, it should never have been published. I appreciate you spent the time doing that as it will help me improve my news writing.

Please note the misleading by ommission.

- You quote the summary. The Arab League did not reach an agreement. Statements by the Arab League are under the Arab League part of the article. I would not object to adding the information into the summary. However wikinews is not about copying and pasting stuff from elsewhere so I summarised the basic facts. I did not deliberately miss out the fact three separate statements - which are not agreements - were released.

Please note the disparity in reporting details, in number of retaliations, scope of effect, number of deaths and injuries, area of effect, estimated damages to property in value, and so on.

- This was a summary. Not all those facts are listed in the source you linked. Those facts mentioned have been widely reported and the job in the summary was to acquaint the reader with a background. I mentioned both Lebanonese and Israeli casualties. You have not mentioned that.

Please note the disparities in your reporting, even of a document "welcomed by Israel" and which is widely perceived as showing the USA's support of Israel.

- I did not read the G8 statement, I got that quote from the sourced article. My intent with the report was to contribute to wikinews and get the news out in a fair way.

Amgine you have made lots of good criticisms that I am grateful you have given; I am not at the high standard of journalism you are at and you have given me an insight of what I should aim for.

However I want to contribute the best I can and I don't want to be POV. You claimed I was "disruptive, and pressing a personal point of view." I think you did not prove that. There are examples in that article where I demonstrate neutral perspective such as noting both sides of the story. I do agree the article can be improved. A lot.Ealturner 00:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Right, Amgine, I've edited the article with your comments - except the second comment. I don't understand how that relates to POV? To my mind it's a matter of detail and my intention was not to go into great detail - I need more instruction to proceed there.

 * Also, looking at what you said again would like to highlight this quote.

 * "Please note the disparities in your reporting, even of a document "welcomed by Israel" and which is widely perceived as showing the USA's support of Israel

 * I believe it documents your own POV ie. that the document was "welcomed by Israel". Of course, you were not claiming you were NPOV and I was which is why I was taken to task on this. Ealturner 02:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Israel welcomes G8 statement blaming 'extremists'
 * Israel welcomes G8 statement
 * Livni: Israel, world leaders agree that extremists sparked crisis
 * G-8 Nations Slams ‘Extremists’, Backs Israel
 * Israel concurs with G8's statement over violence in Lebanon: FM
 * G8 says Israel has right to self-defence
 * G8 calls on Hizbollah to stop attacking Israel

 * Of course, these are only from the past 5 hours or so. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 02:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, what I said was 180 degrees from being correct. "Israel concurs with the position of the international community, which places responsibility for the conflict on extremist elements," said Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni. . I'm an idiot. Well, thanks for stopping by to help me. You have been professional and I respect that. I would like more help but you're a busy person; I will do my best to remain NPOV as far as my little brain can do so. Ealturner 02:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Arab League, Group of Eight leaders discuss crisis in the Levant I've added your latest info to the article. It's really big news. Again, I'm an idiot. Ealturner 02:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Regarding these edits, you have very clearly introduced bias in your word choices. The G8 did not "ask Israel" any more than they "demanded Hezbollah"; they made a statement regarding what they think is necessary for peace. However, your choice of phrases clearly ascribed condemnation of the latter and support of the former - which may be true but was not actually present in the document. If you cannot report accurately when given the actual document, well, I must assume it is purposeful since you do not claim to lack either training or skills.

 * As to the synopsis/backgrounder,

I apologize for the edit conflict in trying to add this to your talk page. Ignore it if it is no longer relevant. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 02:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I've stayed up 4am here to talk to you and try and sort this out. But honestly I'm too tired. I'm very sorry. If you feel it right do what you need to do with the article. I started it. My intent was NPOV. If you have a problem with it, as you seem to, I trust you to edit it appropriately. Ealturner 03:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Before I go, on a personal level it was good to meet you. I am 29 years old, from England. I have two degrees in International Politics - masters and BA - and have had journalism training. My sole aim here is to get better at news writing. I honestly don't intend to push any POV, my aim is to get a job. I will work hard to correct any errors. Thanks. Ealturner 03:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Further apologies... but just go to bed and yell at me about it in the morning. No personal elements meant; you tripped the pedant trigger when you asked to have it explained. I'm terrible in that way. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 03:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you did accuse me of agenda pushing, so maybe I should yell at you. :) I've never seen analysis like you have done above and it will make me think about articles in a different way. I am not a political person. My approach to neutrality is methodical. Here's the method I try to go by

1. Words shall be used according to their dictionary definition. Words should not be applied out of context - deliberately misused words imply agenda pushing.

2. A - Attribute R - Relevance S - Source E - Everything All claims must be attributed, relevant to the article and sourced.

I believe if we all followed these basic rules we'd go a long way to getting neutrality.

On your principles above I would suggest you would say

3. 50:50 text

The amount of words and characters dedicated to either side in an article must be equal (or roughly equal).

Is it fair to say you agree with that? Ealturner 11:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No, actually. The NPOV does not prescribe "equal" treatment. An example of a case where this might be relevant is political events such as elections, where such a prescription would mandate equal coverage of all parties - include micro parties with constituencies too small to reasonably be considered viable.

 * Another would be a case such as the Israel-Hezbollah situation in which one party has made small military actions which have provoked a response tantamount to a major war (estimates of explosive tonnage seem on par with the Bosnian war, against a government which is not actually a participant in the conflict.) Each reportable event or action needs to be covered. The synopsis of the larger crisis should reflect the number and nature of these events, but balanced against (not equated with) the initial provocation.

 * Dictionary definitions are a useful tool. You have, however, argued previously against the most commonly accepted definitions of terms, which exemplifies why this is not a panacea. Shades of meaning and idiomatic usage also, as well as analogy, can add emotional baggage to factual reporting, possibly biasing the reporting.

 * I appreciate your efforts to engage in good journalism. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 16:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay, then I won't have that as a rule, but in certain cases one would have to learn it would be important to note how much news is devoted to each side within the article. Ealturner 16:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * As per the conflict in the Levant and the response - Lebanon broke UN 1559. Ealturner 16:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * "Dictionary definitions are a useful tool. You have, however, argued previously against the most commonly accepted definitions of terms" This is not true. I supported all my definitions with definitions from dictionaries. If you are referring to the term "invasion" the definition is very clear in all dictionaries - it implies conquest. The problem is when some people want to interpret the facts in a way that the facts don't currently support the use of the definition for. But let's not argue. I'm glad you appreciate my efforts. Now I want your help to better write from NPOV so I will send you my next politics articles to look over. You may comment on them or ignore them. :) Ealturner 16:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmmm - you have a funny talk page, it takes one to another site. I don't want to register again so I'll post the link to my newest article here. Don't make this page any longer with your comments. Please discuss this one on that article's discussion page. Thanks! Ealturner 17:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Rocket-launcher weilding gunmen massacre 60 at market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq

Contribution among projects
I would like to try this: International Contribution.

Take a look.

For example, pick the story: Severe tropical storm Bilis leaves 178 dead in south-east China.

You are free to improve the writing case something is written wrong. Thank you very much.--Carlosar 21:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

That looks like fun. I'll try the translator but won't promise it will be any good. :) Ealturner 00:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I did it but forgot to translate the title. I'll translate some more featured articles. Ealturner 10:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks.
Wikinews is not a theatre of war and you are a bully. That was a personal attack. Next time I will take action against you for such behaviour so be careful. PVJ(Talk) 06:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * PVJ, Can you take this up with me on my talk page? I'd like to see the edits you're referring to.  It's about time you and Ealturner got over your differences, you both want to work towards good articles that represent NPOV, and when I overlook the hostile exchanges between both of you I see that result from both of you working on articles with a little 3rd-party mediation.  Most of the time I suspect you need to look for what you consider the opposition position in the media and read it.  Try and appreciate what your fellow contributor may hold as an opinion on the event or situation and accept that the truth probably lies somewhere between what the media in North America presents, and what the media in India presents.  Or, the more usual case is that both sides are reporting the truth, but selecting which items they include and exclude. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA :(
Thanks for voting on my RfA. Unfortunately a consensus was not reached. Anyway, thanks for voting. MyName 01:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, this message is the same for everyone :)

 * Thanks. It was nice for you to reply. Ealturner 11:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
Im afraid I wrote in a unclear way and spelled very bad and as you reacted I like to clearify to avoid bad feelings.

1. I reverted vandalism from 85.250.126.31 []

2. I reverted your edit in the same time. [] I agreed with doldrums argumentartion.

I like to make clear that your edit is not a case of vandalism, just late in time in my view. Sorry that you was angry of my uncomprehensible talkpage edits international 10:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * "Clearify" is not a word so I've changed this heading to the English word "Clarification" which I believe you mean. If you'd like another English word change it. Ealturner 10:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Link to the talk page. //I revertes som vandalism and a edit of Ealturner, though absolutly not vandalism.// I don't know what to make of you sentence. But you did seem to raise the possibility my contribution could have been vandalism if only to then rejected it. That is not civil.

The news piece on the humanitarian crisis quoted the UN's Mr. Engeland selectively. Mr. Egeland also put part of the blame for the crisis on Hezbollah. "Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children." You removed this quote, why? Ealturner 10:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification 2
Theese are not direct Hezbolha sources, its 2:nd hand sources. Call them and complain if you think they spread Hezbolha propaganda.

international 18:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The article rests on speculation from the San Francisco reporter who allegedly was at an "off the record meeting" a year ago when an unnamed Israeli defence bigwig (allegedly) outlined war plans in southern Lebanon. Not only is their no record of the meeting, or who was involved, there is no way we can get an alternative view of what the meeting was about or prove the meeting actually took place. A professional army has contingency plans and I would be surprised if Israel did not have a Lebanon defence plan - an off the record discussion about such a plan is not such a far-fetched claim. That does not mean that Israel planned to attack Hezbollah one year ago. The article peddles a conspiracy theory and does untold damage to what reputation wikinews has by way of our sister site, wikipedia. Ealturner 22:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You are editing in missinformation
Read article and look in the sources. "according to the Red Cross, at least 56 displaced civilians, including 37 children". Dont sink down to vandalizing. international 23:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

 * You do not respect my intelligence or my contributions to this site.

 * The Red Cross announced yesterday that 28 bodies, including those of 19 children, had been found at the site.and

 * You have your facts wrong. And, once again, I am left appalled at your arrogant, bullying and frankly constant disrespectful behaviour towards me and other contibutors.

 * So, who is the one "editing in misinformation"? I don't expect an apology because I have not seen you demonstrate the depth of thought necessary for contrition. Ealturner 12:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't expect an apology because I have not seen you demonstrate the depth of thought necessary for contrition.

I warn you once again, breach of policy regarding personal attacks and civility may result in your being blocked. PVJ59Opinions 13:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 * BrianMc provided a forum on his talkpage for us to talk. Why have you ignored that forum? Again, you demonstrate you use your power here to do nothing more than bully members. After your abuse of your administration powers the vote of confidence other administrators gave you was conditional on your performance rising to the level expected of someone in your position. The vote in your favour was not unanimous. The pattern of unprovoked attacks that you have continued to direct towards me does not go unnoticed. Ealturner 19:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not attacking you in any way. I am merely reminding you of the fact that as per Wikinews policy, you are to remain civil in your behaviour toward other users, failing which you may be blocked. BrianMc's talk-page would not have been a suitable place for me to issue an official warning to you, which is why I chose to communicate with you here. Also, for the record, there was no consensus reached with regard to my having misued my Administrative privileges or that my conduct is unbecoming of the position I hold. Once again, do avoid indulging in personal attacks. PVJ59Opinions 10:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * As someone with "history" with me - history of unprofessional behaviour toward me - it would be better if you got another administrator to tell me what you want to say. BrianMc is an intelligent and fair man who would be more than happy to help you. You might not intend this but you PVJ59 (or PVJOpinions) reminding me to stay civil is aggressive and to the neutral looks like you are trying to make me feel bad about myself. The good administrator does not throw oil on the flames. Put a little more thought into how you handle yourself here. I'm happy to give you advice if you need it but I won't pester you as you have harassed me because that is uncivil. Ealturner 23:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality.
I notice that you have once again started making (baseless) allegations against certain articles (this time the one about two journalists in Gaza), claiming they are not neutral. You have, in the past, employed this as a tactic to stall other (I daresay more productive) editors with your long-winded (and mostly pointless) "discussions" on the talk-pages of these "non-neutral" articles, thereby wasting the time of more contributing editors than you and consequentially, harming Wikinews. I remind you of the fact that you are not the sole custodian of neutrality on this project and there are far more experienced and valuable editors to ensure that our articles do not push a point-of-view. I have already warned you of the fact that your activities are almost trollish in nature, but I do not see any change in your behaviour. The next time I come across you unilaterally declaring articles as "disputed", I will resort to admininistrative action against you. PVJ(Talk) 07:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * PJV you are a incorrigable bully, an administrator who has broken his administrator code three or four times (listed under "Harrassment" above) and has refused to accept intermediary (BrianMC) to mediate your dispute with me. There is no way I will listen to what you have to say because it lacks both subtlety and intelligence. Never have I seen someone in a position of responsibility abuse his position as much as you have toward me, and in the process put shame on your fellow administrators who have had to clean up after you. Ealturner 15:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Briefs/May 30, 2006

The time is 17:00 (UTC) on May 30th, 2006, and this is Audio Wikinews News Briefs.

East Timor: President Gusamo takes emergency powers to quell unrest
East Timor

President Xanana Gusmão has taken special security powers in a bid to quell the violence raging in East Timor. The period of emergency rule, which would last 30 days, was to "prevent violence and avoid further fatalities" and lead to "rapid reestablishment of public order."

U.S. Military truck crash kills civilians; Kabul riots
Afghanistan

Kabul Afghanistan saw the worst violence on Monday since the fall of the Taliban after a large U.S. Military cargo truck crashed into about a dozen vehicles at an intersection in Kabul killing at least 7 civilians and injuring about 40.

Operation Marham:India rushes aid to Indonesia
Indonesia

The Indian government has begun to send humanitarian aid to the earthquake hit Yogyakarta region of Indonesia. The relief effort, named Operation Marham involves both the Indian Air Force and the Indian Navy and aims at delivering aid materials to the victims in as short a time as is possible.

Australian PM doesn't support Queensland party amalgamation
Australia

The highest ranking member of the Liberal Party of Australia, Prime Minister John Howard has said he would not support an amalgamation of the Queensland Liberal and National parties. The statement comes after the Queensland branches of both parties held separate meetings where the proposal was supported in-principle.

Former chaplain at Guantanamo tells about abuse and underage prisoners
United States

James Yee, a Muslim chaplain formerly stationed at the Guantánamo detention camp, is now speaking out about his own experience and the incidents he witnessed at Guantanamo. On May 22, Mr. Yee held a speach at Dartmouth College in front of an audience of 100 people, telling from his experiences about his time at the American naval base in Guantánamo Bay.

Dutch pedophiles set to go political
Netherlands

Members of the Dutch pedophile movement are set to found a political party tomorrow, May 31. The party, Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit (NVD) - Neighbourly Love, Freedom and Diversity - is set to enter the 2007 Tweede Kamer (Lower House) elections.

New Zealand to get new postal codes
New-Zealand

New Zealand Post is set to bring in new postal codes for New Zealand, at the cost of $80 million (NZD).

Closing statements
We invite you to visit wikinews.org for up-to-date news and information. This has been Audio Wikinews Newsbriefs. Thank you for listening, and enjoy the rest of your day. This recording has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License.

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Bomb blasts near Greek Minister's house

May 30, 2006

A bomb exploded near the house of the Greek Culture Minister,Georgios Voulgarakis, in Lycabettus Hill, Athens, wrecking a number of cars.

The device, which the police said consisted of 2-3 kg (4-7lb) of dynamite, had been placed on a bike left between two cars.

The explosion at 7:42am (GMT +2), close to the home of Minister Voulgarakis, is the second time the former Minister for Public Order has been the target of a bomb attack.

While the perpertrators are not yet known, Giorgos Voulgarakis, who had been receiving death threats, is unpopular with leftist parties over questions of immigration. A trained dog of a Greek anti-terrorist unit had been sniffing around the area of the Minister’s home each morning. The September 2003 attack nearly burned down his house.

Two primary schools and a kindergarten nearby were slightly damaged but there were no reported injuries.

As bomb technicians searched the school grounds, frantic parents rushed to take their children home.

The leftist "Epanastatikos Laekos Agonas"(Revolutionary popular rally), is the group which some Greek media have accused for today's bomb attack. No official claim of responsibility has yet been made and the police investigation continues.

All the Greek parties, including the major opposition party, PASOK; the Communist Party (KKE), Synaspismos and LAOS parties, have strongly condemned the terrorist attack.

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User:Whizz.nl~enwikinews

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My user name in all non-Dutch wiki's is Whizz.nl, in Dutch wiki's it's just Whizz.

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Talk:Dutch pedophiles set to go political

POV
Article has POV: "This currently stands at 18, but should be lowered to 12" Needs a cleanup before publishing/ bad grammer. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it wasn't intended to be POV -- the author doesn't appear to be a native English speaker. I've tweaked it a bit.--Eloquence 19:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It was indeed intended to represent the POV of the party. I probably should have written "This currently stands at 18, but should, according to the party be lowered to 12" (without the emphasis of course). Whizz.nl 23:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

POV2
This edit appears to introduce a POV with its use of the term radical - anyone else agree? (I'm new so would be good to know if I'm on the right track with the whole NPOV stuff :) ) R2b2 00:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say this article itself has a large amount of POV. This is because i've read their manifesto and there is a lot more going on then mentioned in the article. Since i would be POVed at editing, could someone who can read Dutch take a look at their site (www.nvd.nu) and mention some other standpoints _wihout_ POV? -- De Zeurkous (root@lichee.nichten.info), Wed May 31 04:06:12 UTC 2006

What is the definition of a child?
I'm not for my daughter having sex at the age of 12, However when I was coming up, girls (several) were having sex with slightly older so called boys (hair on their face and all) but we call that a child, when they were 12. There is only an issue when someone does find out. I call this unequal justice, how many out there should of went to jail. It seems if they are doing it and no one finds out about it everything is fine. I truly believe there is a time when a younger person believes it's time to have sex, and it shouldn't be based on age, but maturity or when someone sitting on some law making board somewhere says you can have sex now because you are old enough. I think society needs to review their so called age definition and concentate on the maturity and intellegience of the person and base laws accordingly. Just an opinion. Also, we must protect (children) from having sex too early in life, it could ruin their morality. I became above the so-called child age at 14.
 * The legal definition (synonymous with 'minor' I think) usually means when you can't vote, so younger than 18. In common usage it usually signifies something younger since 'child/kid' usually refers to preteens. Tyciol (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:Thejetset~enwikinews

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Portal:Australia/2006/May/31

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Iraq to investigate alleged massacre in Haditha

May 31, 2006 The Iraqi government is to launch a formal investigation into that United States Marines murdered civilians in the Iraqi town of  in November 2005.

In an interview with the BBC, the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said: "It is not justifiable that a family is killed because someone is fighting terrorists." and speaking to the Reuters news agency, said "We will hold those who did it responsible."

Following the announcement, on Tuesday, May 30, the White House spokesman Tony Snow said they would make the details of the US investigation into the incident public.

Initial reports from the Pentagon stated the gun battle that ended in 15 civilian casualties, as well as 8 terrorist deaths, was a fight with militants. Eyewitness reports claim that went house to house gunning down innocent men, women, and children without cause or provocation. The Wall Street Journal reports that there is evidence to support these claims.

Lance Corporal Roel Ryan Briones of Hanford, California, who was in Haditha on that day, told the Los Angeles Times, "They ranged from little babies to adult males and females. I'll never be able to get that out of my head. I can still smell the blood."

While some politicians sounded a note of caution that not all facts are yet known for conclusions to be drawn,, a Congressman, said in an interview with CNN "It is as bad as Abu Ghraib, if not worse."

The United States President,, is said to have learned of the Haditha incident from a journalist earlier this year and has already had a briefing on it from his national security advisor, Stephen Hadley.


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Why the cute picture?
What is the cute picture of an "American soldier providing aid to Iraqis" doing here? The article is about American soldiers murdering Iraqis" Geronimo20 02:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * sorry, Its bedtime for me now. I took the picture from article without without enough thought. I see it is removed now international 02:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

cleanup
''In an interview with the BBC, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said: "It is not justifiable that a family is killed because someone is fighting terrorists." And in a remark that will bounce around the walls of the White House he added: "We will hold those who did it responsible.''

While some politicians sound a note of caution that not all facts are yet known for conclusions to be drawn Jim Murtha, a Democratic Congressman, said in an interview with CNN "It is as bad as Abu Ghraib, if not worse.

As far as I know exclusive interview quotes are copyvio (for a lack of better terms).

This has lead to speculation the Haditha incident will be the next "Abu Ghraib" scandal - extremely bad press for the Allied military operation and the Bush administration who are fighting a war against terrorists in Iraq.
 * Speculation as to what may or may not be the case. Possible POV.

''If true, and the evidence is bought forward, some Marines may be charged with murder. Others may get in trouble trying to cover up the shootings.''
 * Total specualtion as to what may or may not be the case. Not factual and possibly writers POV.

While some politicians sound a note of caution that not all facts are yet known for conclusions to be drawn Jim Murtha, a Democratic Congressman, said in an interview with CNN "It is as bad as Abu Ghraib, if not worse.
 * This man is a congressman. He has never been to Iraq and he is not a militar official thjerefore he is not qualified to make this statement. This is soley his POV.

United States President, George Bush, is said to have learned of the Haditha incident from a journalist earlier this year and has already had a briefing on it from his national security advisor, Stephen Hadley.
 * from who? If bush did not say this who did? this is again speculatio.

Jason Safoutin 02:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The above comments are not understandable to me and there is no actionable objection deserving of a tag,imo. Enigma 02:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The main actionable objection raised by Jason is that assertions should be attributed. For example, the statement "This has lead to speculation the Haditha incident will be the next "Abu Ghraib" scandal" immediately raises the question: Speculation by who? It should be reworded to say something like "Mr XXXX speculated that the Haditha incident will be the next "Abu Ghraib" scandal" - Borofkin 02:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok; it looks like that sentence was just removed. Enigma 02:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I am new so please forgive me if I am not acquainted with the tag protocol here; but would not it be better to edit the articles rather than apply tags? It seems to be counterproductive if I want to improve an article to put a tag on it because then I and others have to spend time discussing my objections. Wouldn't that be like making up a big sign saying "I have a flat tire" to show passing motorists rather than just changing the tire myself and getting the car(article) back on the road? Enigma 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said, Enigma. If a contributor can see a problem with an article, it is much more efficient and practical that they make the changes themselves, rather than tagging it and insisting that others make the changes. - Borofkin 02:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ready to publish?
We've only been working on this article for an hour. Are you sure it's ready to publish? You should at least give DragonFire1024 a chance to review the changes since he tagged it. - Borofkin 02:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Borofkin; we should see what DragonFire1024 thinks. Enigma 03:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It never hurts to leave a message on the users talk page inviting them to take another look - they may be working on something else and not paying attention to this article. - Borofkin 03:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, we are not allowed to use copyrighted exclusive interview quotes in the article. Jason Safoutin 04:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Corrected the quote attribution. Someone experienced please comment on the permissibility of using one-line quotes from various news outlets, If Jason were right we could not use any quotes in our articles. --vonbergm 04:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong. There is a difference when officials or whatever say "so and so told reporters' as opposed to in an interview. In an interview genewrally means in an interview only with BBC or ABC or CNN or whoever. That material, based on the policies of WN is not allowed. Hence the wrod exclusive. Jason Safoutin 04:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * No, Jason, you are wrong. Quotations through other news organizations, properly attributed, are absolutely permissible. The only person who could potentially make any copyright claim about them is the speaker, not the news organization they gave an interview to, and that claim would be highly debatable due to not meeting minimum criteria of expression. All this without even touching upon fair use, which provides broad exemptions specifically for news reporting.--Eloquence 04:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I will have to agree with you but I was confronted with the same exact situation in the past but I cvannot recall what article it was on. All I remember is an admin told me exclusive interview cannot be quoted regardless of citing unless they had expressed permission from the source itself. Jason Safoutin 04:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Digging deeper, it appears that copyright claims have been made in the past on interview quotes, and that such claims have been upheld in Canadian courts at least. The argument here has been that the interviewer holds copyright to the words because they are the ones who reduce them to a "fixed expression" by using a tape recorder or taking notes. However absurd this argument may sound, it makes such quotes somewhat problematic when used in large amounts. I would argue that the quantity used in this article poses no problem, especially because U.S. copyright law grants fair use specifically for the purpose of news reporting. When in doubt, it is safest to rewrite; paraphrasing is always OK. But there's no need to be paranoid about such things.--Eloquence 04:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Also note that the tags have been removed. I will not tag the article anymore since they will just be removed, as my concerns, although actionable, IMO seem to be nearly ignored. Jason Safoutin 04:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason, your concerns were ignored because you were plainly wrong. (There are better words for this, but they would probably violate WN:E.) If you have valid concerns, you will find that they are much appreciated and will be taken seriously. --vonbergm 04:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Read Eloquences reply above. It goes the same as an image. The source, an exclusive emphasize exclusive) is copyrighted as such. thats why its called exclusive. That goes for the same with May's IOTM. Jason Safoutin 04:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * i just noticed, Please cite all sources. CNN etc...we cannot say CNN says And BBC says then not list the sources. Cleanup again. Jason Safoutin 05:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * the current sources support the statements under discussion. if u'd prefer to use primary sources first hand sources(a worthy thought), please go ahead and add them. Doldrums 05:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason, please read the article and the sources before you claim that something is not sourced. Also, as you point to Eloquence's comment, try to understand the phrases "when used in large amounts" and "the quantity used in this article poses no problem". I think you have exhausted your quota for baseless claims on this talk page. Maybe we should have a 3BS policy, i.e. more than 3 b.s. comments on a talk page result in a 24 hour block. --vonbergm 06:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * policy and block is overkill, i think. more than 3 b.s. comments on a talk page will result in explicitly calling them B.S. (and therefore ignoring them) is sufficient. Doldrums 06:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * agree; 3 b.s. comments means labeled as such; additional b.s. will be ignored. 65.95.149.156 12:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note that determining a user's contributions are "B.S." is POV and, likely, a personal attack. We're trying to be civil when working with each other. - 66.235.79.157 20:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC) (Amgine, at marina)
 * People who livbe in glass houses shouldn't throw stones; e.g."Simeon edits from Australia, a continent populated entirely by criminals! And, as a criminal he would expect that we would not trust him, so obviously we cannot drink from the glass in front of us..."- Amgine/talk 03:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC). Perhaps you can offer a better way to deal with the obstruction of articles? 64.229.67.118 00:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


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Man shot in Rotorua, New Zealand

May 31, 2006

A man in Rotorua today was shot after being involved in a crash outside the Rotorua International Stadium.

Witnesses said that one man pulled out a handgun and shot another man in the head. Witness Alby King said "I just heard this big car crash, and we had a look and there was two guys fighting, and one just shot the other in the back of the head."

The man, who was shot, survived the shooting and is in serious but stable condition at hospital.

The police say they have arrested a 38-year-old in relation to the shooting, he was found in a street nearby after fleeing the scene.

The police would not comment on whether or not it was a gang-related incident.

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my "real" page is at Wikipedia here.

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User talk:(chubbstar)

Hiya, I have accounts on several wikimedia site and thusly do not check them all as frequently as possible. So, you you wanna leave a general chat with me about nothin particlar you should probly just leave that at my wikipedia talk page, here. Otherwise, for instance if you are a bot or I forgot to add copyright details or its an issue directly related to this wikimedia project or somethin' you should just leave your message here. I'm sure ill get to it eventually. Ta ta.

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 * Your welcome, I'm glad that I could help. I used a few paragraphs from existing articles, to provide the back history on the topic, that's why it was so fast! I encourage you to keep writing articles about Malaysia. You're the only Wikinews contributor from the country, and we need to keep your country's issues in the spotlight, with the rest of the world. --  Zanimum 17:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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