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Wikinews:Accreditation requests/Letter of Authorization

Please comment on the below (for full discussion see my Accreditation request), editing no longer necessary, letter is in use: To Whom It May Concern:

Wikinews, a website of the Wikimedia Foundation which has a focus on news reporting, wishes Sean Carl Johann Heron of Schwäbisch Hall, Germany to report on the G8 conference.

Our community of editors and administrators have supported Mr. Heron's application to report on the G8, and his credentials for this event may be verified by calling our credential verification number at +1 202 742 5918, extension 2. His press pass from the Wikinews community was issued specifically for this event.

Wikinews (http://en.wikinews.org) is a free-content project where we aim to provide timely and neutral reporting on news items. If you have any further questions about the project, or Mr. Heron's involvement, please contact me at ?????????

Yours Faithfully,

Somebody Administrator/Editor/Bureaucrat


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User talk:Kagana~enwikinews

Hi, please do not place any kind of advertising on our website - it will be deleted at once so no-one will ever see it. If you do want to contribute to Wikinews, see the introduction. —Zachary talk 09:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Kagana. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Kagana~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Brian McNeil/Archive 07

 This is an archive of old talk page discussions! Do not add new comments to this page, please do so on my main talk page

Archives

Archive 01 — January 9, 2006 | Archive 02 — April 6, 2006 | Archive 03 — June 4, 2006 | Archive 04 — September 29, 2006 | Archive 05 — December 9, 2006 | Archive 06 — March 24, 2007 | Archive07 — May 30, 2007 | Archive 08 — November 4, 2007 Archive 08 — November 4, 2007 | Archive 09 — March 25, 2008

welcome
hehe your welcome (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

stop
woops, sorry didnt know that, i stopped (:O) (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Template:TorontoElection2006
 * Template:2003 Iraq pre-war intelligence infobox
 * Template:2005 Hurricane Season Infobox

I renamed the templates b/c there were already another one with the exact same feature, so i didnt understand why there were two separate templates that showed the same thing? (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Template:Canadian news
 * Template:TorontoElection i gave yah the wrong template above, sorry about that

Archiving
Hey Brian, if you could give me the lowdown on the process of archiving i'm pretty sure I could help out with the backlog. Either point me in the right direction or give me some basic pointers and i'll try and get started! I'm on IRC right now, or leave a message on my talk page! --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 19:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

MP3 Players Sneak Up On Airwaves
What would I have to send you to prove my status as a student?
 * An email from a recognisable email address at your place of study would suffice. It is late for me now, you might want to chase one of our North American people up to get some progress on your article. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hey Brain. Could you confirm on Talk:Canadian university students would prefer MP3 players over car radios that the user has confirmed in an email to you that he is actually a student at Wilfrid Laurier University? Thanks. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  19:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No email received, sorry! --Brian McNeil / talk 19:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid...we really do need notes or some sort of clairification from the user. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  21:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

moving
didn't notice the mispelt license. noticed a misplaced "talk" and a talk page that was not paired with its corresponding project-space page :( –Doldrums(talk) 16:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * now fixed.–Doldrums(talk) 16:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews becomes national news website of New Zealand
I like it :) That made my day, shame it was a day lake :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleting
Gotcha, but in the case of New Signs Invade local resident's 'green space' it looks like nonsense to me. Andre (talk) 08:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

 * My mistake. :) Andre (talk) 23:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"Forced Wikibreak"
See my userpage for details.  Thunderhead  ►  08:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

RE Relicensing
Only a mass majority of the nearly 75. Please see User:DragonFire1024/Images to request for EDP and comment on the images listed there that I am requesting an EDP. DragonFire1024 11:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I added links to the articles the images are used in. Please review and comment. DragonFire1024 21:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you explain to me more about EDP and also how my images linked above can be under the EDP... DragonFire1024 08:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * EDP is the policy (yet to be formulated) that will decide which material we can use under "fair use" provisions. Look at Template:Logo for an example of some of the language that will have to be incorporated into the policy.
 * For the images where you've taken a copy/photo of something someone else owns the copyright on it is an area where I'm not sure, I want to see exemptions for historical stuff that is fair use but not as free as the idealists would like. However, I don't think they're going to let you keep the originals that you took (eg top four on that page).  I would recommend looking at your licensing options on flickr, pick one there you're happy with and upload the photos over there.  Pick the most open license they have that you're happy with, this is to preserve the photos and allow them to be relabelled here as fair use from a 3rd party.  In any case, the ND license stuff seems to be the real sticking point. NC seems to be something we might be allowed to keep for existing works, but not for new. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If I upload to Flickr...then how would the images be on Wikinews? And why would the images not fall under EDP? I upload to Flickr...but not sure how to choose the license...If my images are down right denied an EDP, as they seem to be, then why bother? An EDP ALLOWS these images to be used given that they are of historical significance to Wikinews...Whats the problem??? DragonFire1024 21:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello, I'm new to Wikinews and would like to just touch bases with some admins. I have adminship on Wikipedia and am interested in eventualy obtaining it here. If you have any advice I should know before starting here it would be great to know. Thanks

Ohnoitsjamie 16:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that the user above was confimed an imposter of the real Ohnoitsjamie on Doldrums' talk page on Wikipedia. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  21:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Oceania
Can we change the Solomon Islands link so that it is pointing to the Portal:Solomon Islands instead of Portal:The Solomon Islands? I could not figure out how I could change it, is there an easy way for me to change it if something like this occurs in the future? (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont 14:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Virginia law bans mobile phone use by teen drivers
Dear Mr. McNeil, please refer to this article: Virginia law bans mobile phone use by teen drivers during this discussion.

I read the article this morning and noticed that there was something factually wrong and posted a note on the talk page. When the issue was not addressed, I flagged the article "misleading". Then, I find what I wrote on the discussion page as part of the article. Now I know anything I write here is CC-BY-2.5 and can be used anywhere and for anything, but this seems bizarre. I don't know if this is covered in the style guide.

P.S. I have provide links on the talk page where the editor of this article can find some actual information on some of the pertinent state laws.

--SVTCobra 18:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Brian, thanks, yes "outright ban" was removed and I removed the "misleading" flag, but instead a comment I made was inserted into the article even after I provided sources for information about the law. --SVTCobra 18:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted headline
It's not a gossip, or a blog headline - it's breaking news. --Bridfly3000 20:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Adminbike
Thanks for the (have to say) much better admin bike! Also thanks for officially welcoming me into the cabal - although no-one could ever convince me there wasnt one when i was a normal common user. (Technically still am a 'normal' until craig changes me though!) Thanks --Mark Talk 20:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
I just wanted to say thank you for the nomination for admin. I really appreciate it, thanks. —Dark_Squall 21:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia threat
I am nto sure if I am looking in the right spot...but it seems, from what I can see, that the comments, at least in the edit history are not in the edit history. In fact there is nothing to states that an edit was made to the Suicide threat section at all. I went back as far as April 4 and this incident happened on the 6? In other words there is no recent evidence that I can see that indicates that any edits were made at all to that section. Also, there is no evidence in the edit history showing what comments were deleted and why...Unless I am missing something, I smeel a bad egg...(no punn inetnded.) DragonFire1024 14:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Indian_news
Can we merge (redirect) this template to Template:India (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont 14:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, gimmie a list of articles that need it replaced on them. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * this shows where its included. thought you of all people should know this. tut must be getting old! haha--Mark Talk 15:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but I've usually worked from lists with AWB (Couldn't remember if the AWB options included what links here). Got a few other things to do first too. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah would do it for you but still waiting for Craig to change me to admin (BIG HINT). :-)--Mark Talk 15:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Indian_news there yah go (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont 14:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Lead and Boiler Plate?
Whats a boiler plate, and how do i get my article get put up in the front page like it did before. | Ajindustries | Talk Page| 23:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * To get your story on the front page, use the publish tag.  Thunderhead  ►  23:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Announcement
Hehe, you know that I've memorized the entire Mediawiki namespace, huh? It's found at Mediawiki:Sitenotice, and you need to increase Mediawiki:Sitenotice-id to make it show if it's been dismissed. Cheers,  Thunderhead  ►  15:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, it's Mediawiki:Sitenotice id  Thunderhead  ►  18:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I figured that out... eventually. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Mediawiki namespace has disgraced us all...  Thunderhead  ►  18:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its just poorly documented. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I honestly thought that everything was one word.  Thunderhead  ►  18:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You were close enough that I found it with only a couple of guesses. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

AWB
I see that you've granted AWB requests in the past. I'd like to ask you to begin watching this page, which is where new AWB requests should go. Thanks!  Thunderhead  ►  20:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Elmo
Can i ask if you agree with my block of User:Elmo or was i maybe a bit to hasty??--Mark Talk 16:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit too hard, made me smile looking at the diffs. I've reduced the block to 24 hours. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletion
Ah! Thank you, wasn't aware, pretty new to Wikinews (specifically). Cheers. :) AllynJ 16:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

cricket world cup
Sorry about removing it, I thought it ended. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo asks about Wikinews Video!
Its true...he e-mailed the Wikinews mailing list. He wanted to ask what license the music we are using is under. Could you reply to it on the page where you list the credits for the music? Well not reply...but leave a note as to what license it is under. DragonFire1024 17:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In case your wondering — http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikinews-l/2007-April/000683.html Bawolff ☺☻ 19:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Reddit! I need to set up a secondary subscription to the list that allows me to post from a different address than that subscribed.  I.e. a 2nd subscription with NODELIVER or whatever setting it is.  Otherwise when I log onto the machine where the mail is delivered anything I send to the list is moderated. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Brianmc, You may want to visit the video poll here and reasses your vite, I have made some changes.

--Symode09 01:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

javascript (Only open one dynamic box)
I think i made what you describe work. Try out the top part of user:Bawolff/monobook.js. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, there is a slight problem with the labels not changing, but i got the gist of it working. Tell me what you think. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a bigger problem than the labels... When you work your way down a list of collapsed items opening each in turn it closes the previous nicely, but if you have the 3rd item open and click on the first nothing much happens. I've reverted to the monobook.js someone else did as an attempt, you might want to take a look at that. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * yes thats because it figures out if the box is open or close by the label. If the labels wrong you have to click it a couple times to get it back to the correct state.  Bawolff ☺☻ 17:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * issues been fixed now. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forgot to mention, if you want to look at the js, its at user:Bawolff/onebox.js. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: I've no enabled it in the site (requires use of EXT=NavOnce parameter). For example, try the below code after hard refresh:

 * P.S you may want to de-link my code from your monobook.js, as it may super-impose give me more/you suck over everything (everything will still work, but it isn't as pretty). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Dupe article
Uhm, not sure what to do here: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/2007_Cricket_World_Cup:_South_Africa_vs_New_Zealand and http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/2007_Cricket_World_Cup:_New_Zealand_vs_South_Africa.

I've been working on the latter, which was also posted first; could you resolve which one to continue working on? I plan on updating this every 10th over~ or so and would rather find out now than later.

Thanks. AllynJ 14:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Tag the newer article with --Brian McNeil / talk 15:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The data's already all there though, is the problem: the latter of the two mentioned above is more up to date, and yet is tagged with . Just switch the dupe tags would be my first thought but I'm not sure if it's really appropriate for me to do so as I started the other article. :) AllynJ 15:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Where dupe is used, it should be on both articles - sort of asking someone to decide. First is preferred, so go ahead and make the changes - just notify whoever started the other one where to check in future. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Use of
duly noted. --SVTCobra 20:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Linux assistance
I'm trying to get w:dyne:bolic up and running with space to write so I can try out LiVES. I've got the CD written (both 1.4.1 where LiVES is and 2.4.2 sans LiVES). 2.4.2 is the nicer version without a loud, offensive startup sound - I'm writing this from it.

My problem is, I've shuffled stuff around on my disks to try and create some space for the package to write its "dock". My first disk is now split into 3. primary partition 0 is C: for Windows, primary partition 1 is blank and the rest of the disk is unallocated in any way. I've also split up my external (USB) drive into a couple of partitions. What's the missing link between having my disk set up like this and getting it formatted for use with Linux? For virtually everything else this distro comes with reasonably easy to use tools - GUI interfaces to the more cryptic Linux command line, it reads (but doesn't write NTFS), and the GUI doesn't take that much getting used to - I just wonder why the mouse is slow when I switch back to Windows. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats weird (The solution, use linux all the time [[image:Smile.png]]. I have lives installed on my computer. So far my reaction is so-so. didn't import audio track from video i tested with, and froze after I left it there for a while. But I figured out how to make ffmpeg transcode ogg quite well (I think anyways), so if anyone needs them transcoded, I could do that. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

After a chat in IRC with skenmy I've downloaded Ubuntu, and you're right that the simplest solution to having access to these tools is Linux only. Unfortunately I have quite a few Windows-only programs I need to use for work. They're using C: which is on drive 0 and starts at the beginning of the disk. I need to move that before Ubuntu can install a bootloader. (At least, that is what I currently assume the problem is with the install process.) --Brian McNeil / talk 07:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that? I belive you'd normally install lilo (or grub/whatever boot loader you use) to the MBR, which is not part of C:. Also you can boot using the windows boot loader, to boot to either (this link says how for a different distro I'm sure there is something for unbuntu somewhere). (Note, I have limited knowladge about this subject, anything I say may be totally inacurate). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For the mouse thing, maybe linux somehow manages to change mouse settings. between linux and windows boots, Do the properties of the mouse stay constant in the mouse settings in control pannel. (Probably not what's happening, but that's all I can think of). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Doldrums/Sandbox
comments? is there an article there? (this is following on from Talk:Taliban resurgent in Pakistan on enforcement of Sharia law). –Doldrums(talk) 20:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Heading image
IMHO, I think we should allow the header to be easily changed for major events, especially with articles such as the massacre. Is the image bad because you would not be able to see the login links? If it is, I can edit the image again

Symode09 16:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is International, this is not an international event. We did not put something up when the Indian Ocean Tsunami occurred - far more lost their lives, and far more countries were involved. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Pro-secular Turks rally against Erdogan's possible presidential candidacy
Oops, sorry I added that image, I hadn't seen the discussion nor template:old. But I wanted to ask you (as you are about as level-headed as I've seen on Wikinews). Do you think that Wikiquote is being used for POV-pushing? Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was created on April 14 and only includes a single quote from 2001 where he sounds very Islamist. --SVTCobra 23:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't say I know wikiquote well enough to know how fairly they represent people. It isn't very fair to just have the one quote, but it may be all that could be found translated. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism
We have two victims of plagiarism on Wikinews and I'm worried. Virginia Tech Shooter Says Final Words plagiarizes this article and Candlelight vigil for victims of Virginia Tech shootings plagiarizes this article. What should we do? — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  21:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I am investigating the user's contributions at the moment, please list the article on DR. I believe a separate article should be started and the problematic one removed. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That is disconcerting, because Candlelight vigil for victims of Virginia Tech shootings was the lead article for 24 or more hours. I wish that I had caught that, as I was the first to work on it after it was posted. FYI, the user had already made it the lead article before I even touched it. Also, after I moved it back to develop, citing problems with the sources section, the user immediately reverted it and re-published. --SVTCobra 22:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Brian, could you also review this article (which has been archived) by the same user Airline checks Dell and Apple computers for hazard. It lists, what appears the user's personal blog as a source, yet this blog contains nothing related to the article (assuming no deletions, but the date range is covered in the posts). --SVTCobra 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please click edit this page on the dell article and you will see that the source redirects to http://www.symode09.spaces.live.com/. This is crazy. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  22:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Tag sources. I'm putting something on WN:ALERT. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This is even more CRAZY. The editor of the dell article put a link to his http://www.symode09.spaces.live.com/ website in the links section, put his real name in the author section, and put Loop Australia in the publisher section. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  22:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fruit-Loop Australia. I'm reading his wikipedia page.  Tried for admin with < 100 edits, tried to get permisssion to use vandalproof.  Asked other people not to edit "his" articles. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He used the title Airline Checks Dell and Apple Computers For Hazard as the sources article name. Is this a made up story? — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  23:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

username
what do you think? –Doldrums(talk) 08:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What, User:Editor at Large? Everyone - including anons can be an editor.  Although, I do see your point that "editor" in a news context can have a different meaning.  Perhaps if the user's signature avoids use of the word then (Eg "E@L") there will be less room for confusion.  Single-signon will give him that username here anyway if he already has it on several other projects and there's probably usernames (Eg "dictionary") that we'd accept but other projects wouldn't. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: extreme Iran
Any sensible being would agree with you... but not the judges in the Iran courts. Point is I agree with you, but it still was blatant POV.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Blue Angels
Thanks for the link and feedback Brian. I did not know of any versions previous to mine, but when i inserted my link on the front page there was no news of that kind there. Whoever wrote that first version, it was not there last night. Hence my question. --Nusbit 11:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

image
saw the WC comment, but not tried out the image. does seem to have a few too many dark spots to be a good background though, i think. –Doldrums(talk) 15:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to have a go with another segment of the original, I'll muck about some more later on. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Is wkinews a public space?
just asking, cuz if u are goin' to delete my "content" then I guess there is no point in posting it.
 * Is graffiti legal in a public place? No.  Neither are obscenities and insults appropriate here.  The project has a variety of goals and providing hosting for childish insults isn't one of them. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear that Wikinews and Wikipedia policy has no connection to the facts. The fact is that oversight and what you do, and did do, is delete content on a whim: see bypassed message to Fellowwikinews. You described the poster of a remark as a "potty mouth", and for that POV you delete the content.

Is this oversight? I think not. I think it is an intrusion into the exchange of information that you have no business being involved with. -Edbrown05 00:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you should ask FellowWikiNews what he thought about me deleting the string of curses on a page in his userspace instead of attributing a position on the situation to him. I was in IRC at the time and he thanked me for zapping the page.  --Brian McNeil / talk 08:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He deleted it because it was vandalism and it was a personal attack. Thank you again Brian for reverting it. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  14:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Edits to SG and CG
Hi Brian. Sorry, but you are becoming my go-to-guy, when I have questions. Do you know of User:Michael614? Tonight, this user has been making lots of changes to WN:SG and WN:CG. A lot of the changes seem sensible, although I did edit one of them. But I thought these pages represented policy and should only be changed by consensus. I would appreciate it if you took a look at this. (Since the changes were sensible, I didn't put it on WN:AAA). --SVTCobra 01:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Macedonia
Can we merge this category? The other category is shown on the page (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 18:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't like the new name, it shouldn't be an acronym. We should have something like Republic of Macedonia.  When we do I'll move the articles (I think there's only 2) into the new category. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

 * i do agree (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 13:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Background
Thanks for removing this. The solid grey design looks very nice and very professional (a definite improvement over the solid white). More importantly, the links are easy to read. Sometimes, less is more, and I believe that this is such a case. —David Levy 16:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The old background is still available as an alternative page style - it did have some fans who've expressed disappointment in IRC. I'd like to have a photo of a single folded broadsheet newspaper on a white background to try for a new design.  We can't stay with nothing, and the Wikipedia logo is wholly inappropriate for a news site. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * 1. You say that "we can't stay with nothing." Why is that?
 * 2. Who said anything about using the Wikipedia logo?
 * 3. I have no objection to the idea of trying to create a new background image lacking the flaws of the old one (and backed by consensus), but please proceed with caution. It isn't a good idea to experiment with the live site interface and then solicit feedback.  There is no urgency, and it's impossible to anticipate all of the issues that some users will experience.  Many people rely on this site as an information source, and its accessibility is the most important thing.  —David Levy 16:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the feedback, I was (at least this is the excuse I'll stick to) exercising my prerogative to "be bold". :-) I've combined the background that I liked with aspects of the Datrio skin and that now has a few people using it.  In Firefox pick View->Page Style->Newspaper background.  The difficult to see links have a separate background and there's even less white than the standard version of the site.
 * The reason I say we need something is I think Wikinews should be concerned about the look of the site. I've seen stock photos that would be perfect for making a background that would fade to grey from a clear image of a newspaper, but I can't use them. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Open proxies
Thank you for targeting and blocking all the millions of open proxies. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not finished yet. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 10:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Image credit help
Hello Brianmc. I wonder if you can offer a suggestion on the best way to handle the credits to an image where there isn't a full name. For instance in this article, Dell to offer Ubuntu Linux on some computers, I used an image where the only identifier was a user id on the Commons. Is it suitable as is? Cheers, Jcart1534 02:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * For people who upload on Commons and use a pseudonym I'd recommend linking to their commons userpage. I made that change in the article, it isn't much use most of the time but there will be the one in a thousand instance where a reader wants to say thanks for providing an image. Were it not for time constraints on news I'd suggest when we use images from Commons we ask the contributor if they want to reveal their real name and link it to their pseudonym of just be credited as the pseudonym.  In fact, I'll go and ask about that for your Ubuntu article. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Brian's Bot
That is my account, your one is BrianmcBOT :) cheers, Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked Proxy IPs
Three of the IPs blocked had account creation disabled. People using the proxies will not be able to create and login to an account to edit Wikinews. They are: Please look into this. Also, you may notice that I modified your list of proxy IPs to use a new template, User2 to display links to the block logs and to block the IP. Enjoy :) —Zachar<b style="color:#2965db">y</b> talk 04:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Josh Hancock.JPG IFD on Commons
I don't appreciate you insinuating I am crazy. In fact, I have backed up my claims with plenty of evidence. I would hope you change your vote and I request an apology. --68.56.180.115 22:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Hyman case listed
Bruce Hyman case listed You have to go down to the bottom of the page where it says:

12:30 pm For Preliminary Hearing T20077035 		HYMAN Bruce A

The link is http://www.courtnews2.co.uk/courtlists/current/indexdailies.htm. Select Taunton Daily Courtroom 04/05/07 and then scroll down to the bottom of the window that appears. Hyman's is the last entry. 84.9.50.45 22:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The document you suggest I check will not load. I get the name on the first case of the day and nothing else. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put the entire page on the article's talk page. Suggest you use a browser that's properly enabled. I don't know why they use javascript rather than straightforward HTML, but they do. I don't see how you can reasonably obstruct this rather fantastic story from publication just because your browser isn't working properly. 84.9.50.45 23:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My browser works properly with the rest of the Internet, I even tried using MSIE to view the page - but no dice. Sorry to say this, but pick someone else to chase through this with - I'm going to sleep soon. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hakeem interview
reg. ur comment, Ed appears to think that he can turn this into something publishable. –Doldrums(talk) 08:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

re:comment
I use to be a reservist with 32 CBG in an armoured BN, I'm now an instructor with Vanguard. If you want interviews/background material/ect for a military related article, give me a shout, and if its in my lane, I'll be glad to help. Sorry for the double edit on your page BTW, I'm new to this and not 100% sure how it all works. Rz350 20:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

slash in titles
Hi Brian, Thanks for your support. Hmm, I've been trying to think of when I might have created an article with a slash in it. Can you point me to where I did that. Thanks. --SVTCobra 19:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

irc
As to what we were discussing in irc. The following it mediawiki:monobook.js would do it if (wgUserGroups.indexOf("user") != -1){ document.write('<link type="text/css" href="http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User:Symode09/monobook.js&action=raw&ctype=text/css" rel="alternate stylesheet" title="Symode\'s experiments" media="screen,projection" \/>'); }

"user" can also be replaced with sysop, autoconfirmed, emailconfirmed, oversight, etc. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

mediawiki:Licenses
Why are you adding nasa? NASA images should land on commons. (If there is a reason for them to be here, you need to make a template for the license) Bawolff ☺☻ 02:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Alan J
cheers for that. --Mark Talk 09:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * double cheers, thumbs up, kudos :) -76.104.106.168 09:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! [Ed unlogged(?)] The response I got from the BBC gives me the impression that it would be fairly easy to get pictures off them in the future when they're in the news. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Blair
Done. Gary Kirk 10:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Wazzup?!
Hay dawg! Wanna hear a joke? ۞ 16:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yo, thanks so much for the welcome! Mind if I tell you a joke? ۞ 16:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I spent to long on Vulcan... I seem to have lost my sense of humour but people find the things I say funny. Try IRC for jokes. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, here is is dawg....
 * Q: How do you kill 40,000 flies at once?
 * A: Hit an ethiopian over the head with a shovel!
 * And the judges award this effort 2/10. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah...at least...4/10! Happy Editing. ۞ 16:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, just pass around whatever you're smoking if you expect people to find your jokes funny. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 16:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Request a little help on Wikinews
Hi Brian, thanks for the welcome message. I will be happy to help out with the Dink coverup article. I'm reading the Radikal article right now. Interesting conversation just above this one! AtilimGunesBaydin 14:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I've checked the article and I can confirm that it's in agreement with the cited sources and is not a one to one translation of either one. As a note, Radikal's original article includes a more detailed account of what has been said on these phone conversations, but the omission of these in the Wikinews article does not pose a problem and, I believe, keeps the article more focused and easy to follow. There are a few things to be fixed: The article makes reference to so-called "security sercives", all instances of which should be replaced with "police". The cited source makes this clear, and uses the Turkish word "polis" itself. Radikal gives a telephone number in the form "0123 123 12", which is reproduced in the Wikinews article. It is obvious to me that this phone number misses two last digits, and should perhaps be given like "0123 123 12 **". Regards, AtilimGunesBaydin 14:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind invitation. I'm actually in a rather busy period (thesis work, homeworks etc.) and already trying very hard to stay away from Wikipedia. And honestly, I'm not very convinced that this Wikinews project is a good idea at all. Nevertheless, I think I might be interested in spending some time here in the future. Also, you are always welcome to bug me with similar matters. I will be happy if I can be of help. Regards, AtilimGunesBaydin 01:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The categories I created were for future use.
As you can see I am adding roughly 1 article every day about the subject. Rajinikanth is his full name as far as I know.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 15:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Broken redirects
If you have a few moments, could you fix some broken redirects? —<b style="color:#1780bb">Z</b><b style="color:#10679f">a</b><b style="color:#084d83">c</b><b style="color:#003366">h</b><b style="color:#0e448d">a</b><b style="color:#1c55b5">r</b><b style="color:#2965db">y</b> talk 10:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have adopted the template here, and used it on the Stewards page. —<b style="color:#1780bb">Z</b><b style="color:#10679f">a</b><b style="color:#084d83">c</b><b style="color:#003366">h</b><b style="color:#0e448d">a</b><b style="color:#1c55b5">r</b><b style="color:#2965db">y</b> talk 11:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I now make the following categories.
Category:Rajinikanth AND Category:Sivaji: The Boss.

The current Sivaji: The Boss articles can be found here: User:Vagish/Sivaji:_The_Boss, there are 4 right now.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 12:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have raised this on WN:AAA because neither of the categories you want to create strike me as sufficiently notable. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look at it. Maybe it will be accepted after the ceremonies begin in a week or two. Hopefully his film will go without any major political problems. But according to the director's interview he said the movie "Will change the economy of Tamil Nadu". Also can I add past news? Like the political movements against the films and also the down playing of the film by Sri Lankan Tamil broadcasters.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 17:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Argue your case on WN:AAA. Personally I think the movie should not have a category, and I'm not sure that the director should either. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What is the policy . ..
on users applying for US government grants on behalf of Wikinews? Please see this. Thanks. --SVTCobra 17:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Speak to the board, you can't go asking for money to do an experiment here without them having some input. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one who wants to do this. I am just worried that Symode may have already initiated contact to raise money for "Wikinews Video 2.0" --SVTCobra 11:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Symode09 can't apply for a grant from the U.S. government, he isn't a U.S. citizen and he does not represent Wikinews. On the other hand, by sticking his humongous feet in his mouth he may put future grant opportunities at risk. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * from what he says, he has tried to "find out about the process". i've posted a message on his talk page about this. perhaps we can ask him to e-mail a copy of his communications with the to someone who can look thro' it and check everything's ok. –Doldrums(talk) 11:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Provided all he has done is inquire about the process we're probably okay. Get the correspondence off him and take the issue up with User:Eloquence or someone else in a position to represent the foundation. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: Disclosure
Hey brian, my relationship with microsoft is actually not with software but rather a deal regarding the implementation of their "Windows Live Search" and, possibly in the future "Windows Live Mail" thanks (oh, and IMHO - happy :p ) thanx, Symode09 14:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Its a Joke
It's just a joke man. It's just from Stephen Colbert's show. The 13th 4postle 13:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Around here we try and avoid being so centred on the U.S. I've never seen the show, so I - and other people - don't find it funny. It is bad taste and confrontational. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Impersonation
I believe the two accounts under my username on the sv. and de. wikinews are held by someone else. Until this situation is resolved please do not take comments from these accounts as representing me. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ignore this... I'm being stupid because I typed in a password wrong a couple of times. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I was told I should only make articles on this movie when it there were problems, likely political.
I think this article should be allowed. It is of importance in that this is due to the Cauvery river dispute. Can you please explain what you mean by: "Cut back to the minor news item this is for 90% of the world and include in the Briefs".  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 16:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please seek a second opinion elsewhere, I think this movie has worn out its welcome on Wikinews. We never have this level of coverage for Hollywood's latest; you're giving this more prominence than the French presidential election and subsequent cabinet appointments. The word I'm probably looking for is disproportionate, as in that's what your coverage is in relation to the importance of the item. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikinews seems quite picky to me. I have had so many problems over here. I can't even write about what is something of huge importance and is covered massively by the media in Tamil Nadu. I guess Wikinews is a west-based news network. Well, it was ok being here. I am leaving, wikipedia is much more friendly.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 16:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't have what you seem to think is a normal level of coverage for other movies, we have next to nothing about movies. If you wanted to start an entertainment section that covered films that are released globally, you'd get help - and foreign language films would be welcome.  But you're a one-trick pony.  It's just this movie, which I've probably learned more about than Star Wars when it isn't even in a language I can speak. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not a one-trick pony, I would do lots about other movies. But all other movies are on hold and are not even spoken about in most magazines. Sivaji: The Boss is the only movie spoken about. Magazines even just put his (Rajinikanth's) picture on the front and sell magazines with no content inside. As soon as Sivaji: The Boss is released I would have been on all the other films in Tamil Nadu cinema, I would also cover a bit of Bollywood as well and some on Hollywood too.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 18:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can do other coverage, then do so, please. My comments should be taken as referencing your contributions and not you.  My opinion is we've probably had enough stories on the movie until the release, my first comment was to suggest you ask someone else because I don't want to get into a fight over this, and I don't want to drive away a contributor. I was hoping someone else could say something diplomatic that would keep you but scale back your near-obsession with this one film.  I've looked over on Wikipedia at what you've done there, and that has been subject to some question too.  I'll reiterate a question I saw earlier, "Are you involved in any way with this movie?". --Brian McNeil / talk 20:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish I was. I am just one of the millions of Rajini's die hard fans.  Vagish  [wp]  [wn] 21:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Wolfowitz
no sweat. i found a couple of paragraphs rather similar to the CNN article and fixed them. could u give it a once over as well. –Doldrums(talk) 22:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Re-skinning
Pfft, not that fancy! I was just thinking of making it look, well, a bit prettier. → MR  15:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request
I am brianmc on freenode and I would like the cloak wikinews/brianmc. Thanks. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please note this is wikinews/brianmc, not wikipedia/brianmc. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious
re: Your posting on M:MP:TSP, how does a tool template qualify as encyclopediac? Or a tagging utility providing links harm wikinews? Where is the cost to you attacking our man month long organizational effort? Where in fact is ANY UPSIDE for wikinews? Last I looked, we were funded by the same foundation. In fact, if anything, I'd think you'd be cheering us on. It gives you exposure when we have your logo on our templates whether it be on a category or template page. Think on the value of free advertising! // Fra nkB 07:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The templates I saw were useful to an encyclopedia project, not to a news project - or a dictionary project (apparently). For example, we don't have stubs.  That's just one of the many differences between our project and others.  For promotion from wikipedia we have the  template which I recently added to De Lijn to give an example of where it is used. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

 * You missed the point, repetition and exposure is the heart of advertising and education. Until and unless you can get your name out there in any enterprise you are and will remain a marginal "curiousity". Even once you achieve name recognition, then you need even more to establish an aura of reliability and credibility. Then if that threshold is achieved, you need the extra push of something to generate some desire to use you instead of your competition and then having some success, enough extra attraction to keep the customers happy. Getting one and loosing him a week later is no road to success. I wish you well, but you've picked a hell of tall mountain to climb. It's not like there's not any news services so you have a free and empty market place. Quite the contrary, you've got loads of competition instead.

 * Should you discard even the few templates usage will be adopting, all you are doing is costing yourselves both that exposure, and the easy capacity to import a template you do want (or some of you may want) down the time stream. My crystal ball is no better than yours, but surely someone will one day take your category system and overall templates organization in hand (God knows, both need it!), and such tools as lts, and similar discussion enhancers like las, lcs, tlx, etc. come into play. Moreover, such as are compatible give you the ability to discuss and link to a template on another sister, so you can discuss such as a potential solution even before it's brought over. That's frankly, a silly handicap to suffer for what reason? Because you don't like making easy links and have excess free time? Some of us don't--I've got college expenses for two coming up on top of one of the most expensive areas wrt cost of living to deal with day to day.

 * I've still not heard a reason why those imported are bad for wikinews, tools are tools, and if they aren't in the toolbox, that's the problem, not having a few extras around. Now your thesis that the names as an old Cobol programmer are alien, is a bit more rational. As an old C and FORTRAN programmer, the limitations of the later made the former seem downright liberating--but what do you see in UNIX? 'grep', 'vi', 'ed', etc.— so much for 'better name lengths are now available'—those (and many C standard library macros) are still suffering from PDP-8 and 'C language' syndrom. So add a R from other template and redirect to the common name on the other sisters and use what's comfortable. If tlxwpd makes it easier to remember than tlxw links to wikipedia, Xpands to nn arguements, and unlike Tl can be better used in documentation because it expands for such tutorials, use whichever—but don't set up a private empire of incompatible names (like Wiktionary in it's provinciality--it just drives potential contributors else where).

 * Or are you a fan of the NIH syndrom and just bound an determined to ignore the rest of the foundation's assets and conventions? The shrinks have a name for that, I think. Is there some reason you don't want your editors to know other sisters are out there, so think tagging with interwikicat-grp or interwikitmp-grp cause some Machievellian harm? Or that you and your clique all think you have the God given right to make up their mind as to what tools they choose to use? Don't think so. (Sorry, but if I had my way, none of these piss-ant matters of policy would be decided without some reasonable quorum of active editors. Three or five like minded people can do a lot of damage when no one else is paying attention, and if you can't get a quorum, it's pretty clear it ought not be changed from the status quo ante. I see new "Guidelines" declared then repudiated like that all the time on wikipedia, and it's just a time waste. The board should set a minimum.)

 * Drop me an email when this closes out so we can adjust however needed on the other end. Thanks, // Fra nkB 22:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't read this, it is just a rant. If you want a response be concise and to the point. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize (re: our spat on comments page today)
Dear Brian.

Please accept my apology for insuniating that you are fool. Just as I know that you didn't literally want Bush to be tarred and feathered, I hope that you also know that I do not consider you to be a fool. I think that I have previously expressed my appreciation for your opinions and general levelheadedness.

However, you should expect vitriolic comments, such as those you made, to elicit a response. If you had made the same comments about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I am sure you would have had people jumping down you throat for that as well.

Calling a head of state "a retard," "a cretin" and "a buffoon and an embarrassment to the species" is an insult not only to that person, but also an insult to the citizens of that country, no matter how easy it is to find others that will applaud you for it.

Please know, that I have not lost respect for you. I hope that you have not lowered your opinion of me, either.

Sincerely, --SVTCobra 22:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm a Usenet veteran, so I've done my share of verbal sparring on the Internet. I'd like to see our comment namespace get going so I figured some "blunt" comments might provoke a response. Commentary on the news is a case of generating your own entertainment - you post to amuse those with similar views, or to inflame those with opposing views. Good posts do both.
 * As to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad... No, I'll leave commenting on that fruit-loop until there's an appropriate article. ;-)
 * Alright, then. I am glad we are clear. I had been worried that I had somehow violated WN:E, which was written before Comments existed. --SVTCobra 23:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Monster Pig
Please make your request for changes on the talk page, so I know the issues you have with the article. 70.48.52.32 22:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks for the suggestions, they have been made and the article republished. The image link is on the discussion page, I cannot add it.  70.48.52.32 22:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Create an account and you can. With the current "issues" over images I'm reluctant to touch any. Even if you just create one called monsterpig for this upload that should be okay. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:Brian McNeil/Archive 07


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Chinese stock markets plunge after tax increase

May 30, 2007

In trading Wednesday, the Chinese stock markets plunged after the government tripled a tax on securities transactions. The so-called stamp tax was raised from 0.1% to 0.3% in an effort to cool the rapidly rising market.

The Shanghai Composite Index of A-shares fell 6.5%. The CSI 300 fell 6.8%, with over half of the listed companies falling the single day limit of 10%.

The market has already doubled in value this year, after rising 130% in 2006. It is estimated that some 300,000 new brokerage accounts are opened on an average day. Novice investors are reportedly sinking their life savings into the market.

Meanwhile, the World Bank raised its forecast for GDP growth for China in 2007, from 9.6% to 10.4%.

"The stamp tax is the latest gesture by the Chinese government to warn investors," Phil Chen of Grand Cathay Securities Investment Trust Co. told Bloomberg. "The trouble is, Chinese investors probably won't care if a few breadcrumbs are dropped in the transaction as they have such extraordinary returns on their investments."


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New Zealander on oxygen machine dies after power disconnection

May 30, 2007

New Zealander Folole Muliaga died Tuesday morning after Mercury Energy cut off the power in her household due to $168.40 of unpaid bills. Mrs Folole Muliaga was seriously ill and dependent on an oxygen life support machine that required electricity to run.

The 44-year-old died two and a half hours after the power was cut by a contractor, working for State Owned Enterprise, Mercury Energy. A spokesperson for Mercury Energy has said that they are devastated and deeply sympathetic by the news, but state they did not know that the power was needed to run the oxygen machine. They have stated that discretion is exercised in cases of extreme hardship or when medical conditions make it appropriate and that the same contractor had done so the previous day. However, relatives claim that the contractor was told that the power was needed by family members present, was invited into the house and talked to Mrs Folole Muliaga, but showed no discretion or compassion under the circumstances.

The power was cut at about 11am. Brendan Sheehan, spokesperson for the family, said that after the power was cut, Mrs Muliaga suffered from breathing difficulties. During this time Mrs Mulianga declined an offer for an ambulance from family members. At about 1pm she informed her sons that she was feeling dizzy and asked for hymns to be sung. Her condition quickly deteriorated until she couldn't speak. When she passed out at 1:32pm, an ambulance was called but Mrs Mulianga could not be revived when it arrived 12 minutes later.

That same evening remaining family members claim they had to grieve in the dark, power was only reconnected after the outstanding amount of $168.40 was paid to Mercury Energy. Mercury Energy claim that the were initially only made aware that a funeral was going to take place and attempted to reconnect the supply at midnight once the full circumstances were made clear but were unable to contact the family. They state the supply was eventually reconnected before 8am the next day. Evidence has been provided by family members to show that they had made two payments to Mercury Energy in the same month trying to clear their outstanding bill,  $61.90 on 1 May 2007,  and $45 on 17 May 2007.

Trevor Mallard, minister of State Owned Enterprises, said, "I do think it is important that the facts are established before people rush to judgement."

Both the New Zealand Police and Mercury Energy, the retail operating division of Mighty River Power, are conducting investigations into the events.

The mother-of-four school teacher lived in Mangere, South Auckland and had been suffering from a heart and lung condition, according to relatives of Mrs Muliaga, since February.

Hospital doctors have expressed surprise at the short length of time between when the supply was cut and the death occurred. They have also explained that relatives are trained what to do if the supply is lost, including to call for an ambulance if severe symptoms develop.


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User talk:58.64.127.170

Welcome
Welcome!

58.64.127.170, welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews:
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Here are some other hints and tips:

 * I would recommend that you get a username. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikinews, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and there are many benefits of having a username.  (If you edit without a username, your IP address is used to identify you instead.)

 * When using talk pages, please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 10:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thailand court rulings
The article prior to the rulings has been up for a while now and the majority of it is anticipation of the rulings. Ideally the ruling should be a new article, not an update that makes the existing article look confused. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:58.64.127.170


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User talk:Ashishbhayana

Hi,

My name is ashish bhayana. I am from Delhi/india.Ashish Bhayana

Currently living in London.

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 11:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Ashish Bhayana
Hello Ashish,

It is good to know that you are from Delhi/India and settled in London. I am from Delhi too and settled in London. Hope you are enjoying the country and its culture!

Anu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.92.5 (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ashishbhayana


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Talk:New Zealander on oxygen machine dies after power disconnection

Life support
The use of Life support in this article seems inappropriate. Life support is a set of things far more involved than an oxygen machine. Many elderly people (and others) have oxygen machines to help them breathe. They are not considered to be on Life support. Also none of the sources use that term. --SVTCobra 11:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * i was comfortable with the old title - Life Support is any subset of the set of procedures that is required for the patient to remain alive. another alternative for the title would be "respiratory support", which is more precise than "life support" and "oxygen machine", but also more jargon-y. –Doldrums(talk) 13:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree "life support" is for people who are in intensive care in a hospital, not sitting around at home. But feel free to vet this with other editors.
 * Terri Schiavo was on life support, Oxygen therapy is not life support. IMO. --SVTCobra 14:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with you. It's not life support. If it were so essential for her that she would have died within minutes then yes, perhaps it could be called life support. But it was not, as supported by New Zealand doctors (who've said it's not something that was necessary for continuous use) and the circumstances of her death. Perhaps you might want to also consider dialysis machines which are similarly necessary for the patient to remain alive in many circumstances but I've never heard of them being called life support. Nil Einne 18:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC) That didn't come across right. What I meant to say is that if someone needed dialysis e.g. 3 times a week, you probably wouldn't say they were on life support but that they needed dialysis even though the dialysis machine could be called a life support machine Nil Einne 18:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Outstanding amount
Last night on national television a figure of $168 was quoted, can someone verify how much exactly was outstanding? --Zven 18:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Found in NZ herald --Zven 20:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Prime ministers comments
See News talk zb. Information now coming to light, a medial tube in Mrs Muliagas nose sighted by the contractor. The outstanding amount of $168.40 appears to have been due by June 13, but the disconnection happened on May 29. --Zven 20:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


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Iran typifies Islamic justice, says chief judicial official

May 30, 2007

Ayatollah Hashemi Shahroudi said during a conference in Tehran that Iran is the only country with a judiciary based entirely on Islamic principles—from prosecution to punishment. He also paid tribute to the martyred Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti whom Shahroudi credited as the founder of Islamic judiciary in Iran.

The two-day conference included representatives from 56 Islamic states to discuss Islamic laws in the judicial system of the participating nations. He urged the guests to use Iran as a model to become familiar with the Islamic judiciary rules.

Ayatollah Shahroudi is an Iraqi-born naturalized citizen of Iran and has been the head of the judicial system of Iran since 1999 after his appointment by Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Ayatollah Shahroudi received the attention of the press as a reformer in 2002 after declaring a moratorium on stoning albeit it remains on law books and can still be applied. In fact, the moratorium reportedly ended according to the 2007 State Department report and people have been stoned for crimes like adultery in accordance with Islamic laws.


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Barbaric
I hesitate to call Iran a "civilised" country if they consider stoning an appropriate form of punishment. Personally I think it is barbaric that the U.S. still has the death penalty, but stoning... That's medieval. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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how about noting Saudi Arabia, whose legal system is based on Sharia. similarly, there's also useful background in Sharia. –Doldrums(talk) 11:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * and here's something he's said earlier that's less biolerplate and more substance. –Doldrums(talk)
 * You can expand the article. I wish I had more time to make the article more comprehensive.

Saudi Arabia
Let me address an issue regarding the comparison of Saudi Arabia with Iran now that it has been brought up.

Have you ever wonder why Saudi Arabians don't emigrate when most countries including the U.S. give their citizens visa? It is because Saudi Arabia is a welfare state. Saudi Arabian citizenship is a prized thing. Ask the Pakistani, Egyptian, and other laborers in Saudi Arabia.--Blivit 13:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What does the above have to do with the system of justice? I think, Doldrums wants you to mention that Saudi Arabia also considers itself to be a model of Islamic justice. --SVTCobra 14:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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OK, it is time for your joking to end. You are potentially offending people, both here in the Wikinews community and the wider readership. What you are doing could be seen as vandalism and you could get blocked from editing Wikinews for it. Be careful and be serious from now on. –Doldrums(talk) 11:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:DragonFire1024/Wikinews Weather Service BETA

WeatherChecker Problems
These are issues I experience on my end with the program, but this does not mean everyone experiences these. If you experience any, please list, in detail, what they may be so that when we go to fix this program, we know what to fix.

 * Cannot zoom into region without the program freezing. I can only view a map of the world.
 * Many buttons, for example on the Region Definition tab do not work such as import, export, delete and delete all do NOT work.
 * None of the features aka buttons in the file tab work.
 * I can edit the font tabs under view, but when I change the font setting, such as size, and click apply and ok, nothing happens and no updates are made.
 * Station list cannot be update. Get massive error message and although the program does not freeze, I am unable to load anymore station, and I have to reboot the program.
 * 24 hour high and low temperatures do not work, unless you have to let the program run for 24 hours, which I have yet to do.
 * Not sure what the XML is for.
 * Update link does nothing and post image only posts image to hard drive, not an auto upload.
 * No auto upload.
 * Most of the only working weather stations are airports in major cities.
 * Stations should be in alphabetical order according to city, not station code...I don't know the codes.
 * Settings will not save, aka: the preset setting on the Station Selection tab. Settings for folder set to Post Images does not save and a new folder has to be selected every time program is opened.
 * Cannot run a report with All regions and All reports without the program freezing.
 * in Station Selection find works, but find next does not.
 * I will update this list as I realize issues and or remember them. DragonFire1024 11:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Want your city on the map?
Want to see your city on the map? Please place city location, or location of the nearest major city to you, and we will do our best to add yours to the map. DragonFire1024 14:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Please see, Image talk:World F 30May2007at1400UTC.jpg. Thanks :-) — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  15:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had to change the cities altogether. see the RE over there :) DragonFire1024 15:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I want to see Los Angeles, CA--71.137.226.70 03:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Make me pretty
Feel free to edit the weather page...add links, pictures...Know any tricks where NOAA data can be DPL'ed or something? let me know. I would like to get the stats updated without a bot if possible. DragonFire1024 03:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Forecasts
After the auto update has been released (or not), how about including forecasts, the high would be enough? Perharps even add graphics next to each city or country to show if it will be sunny, cloudy, etc? There's a few ideas, feel free to use, or not use them. --Nzgabriel | Talk 09:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually thats exactly what the plan is. the NOAA has several ways to display weather on websites and one way is VIA PHP. We need a toolserv account though and skenmy is in the process of doing that as we speak. DragonFire1024 15:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


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Thai Rak Thai dissolved, ex-premier Thaksin banned from politics

May 30, 2007

Thailand's former ruling party, Thai Rak Thai, was found guilty of election fraud by a Constitutional Tribunal, and ordered to be dissolved. Its former leader, ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and 110 party leaders are banned from politics for five years, the court also ruled.

Thaksin, responding to the ruling from London, told the BBC: "We have to respect the rules of the game. That is, the rule of the law. If the rules of the law are observed, we have to respect it."

But Thaksin's lawyer and spokesman in Bangkok, Noppadon Pattama, called the verdict "unexpected", and told Reuters, "It's too harsh on Thai Rak Thai."

Earlier, the nation's main opposition party, the Democrat Party, was acquitted of six charges of election fraud, and allowed to remain intact.

The tribunal was reviewing violations that took place during the April 2, 2006 general elections, which were declared invalid due to widespread charges of corruption and vote buying. Another election was scheduled for October 2006, but after a military-led coup on September 19, that election was never held. Thai Rak Thai (literally "Thais love Thais"), was formerly headed by Thaksin, a telecommunications tycoon and ex-prime minister who was ousted in last year's coup.

The tribunal said two party leaders, former deputy leader Thamarak Isarangura and former deputy secretary-general Pongsak Ruktapongpisal, hired two smaller parties to contest the April election on behalf of Thai Rak Thai. The two were Cabinet members at the time. The Tribunal also dissolved the two implicated smaller parties, Pattana Chart Thai and Pandin Thai, and banned their executives from politics for five years.

Thai Rak Thai lawyers countered that the party's top leadership could not have known about Thamarak and Pongsak's plans, but the judges dismissed that assertion.

"The Thai Rak Thai party did not respect the rule of law despite the fact that they won elections twice," said one of the judges in his ruling. "Thai Rak Thai cannot exist as a political party, therefore the court orders to dissolve the Thai Rak Thai party."

Thai Rak Thai acting leader Chaturon Chaisang said that the ban was "totally unexpected", but he urged supporters to not fight the decision. "Even if we don't agree with the ruling, I ask all Thai Rak Thai members not to protest or oppose the ruling," he said.

The final verdict was read at 11:36 p.m. local time (1636 GMT), and came after a long, suspenseful afternoon and evening of proceedings that began at 2 p.m. The proceedings were broadcast on all of Thailand's television channels, and local newspapers updated their coverage in real time on their websites.

In the run-up to what was called "Judgement Day" in the local media, tensions were high. Interim Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont warned that he would impose a state of emergency if there was any violence. Thousands of security officers were stationed at checkpoints across the capital, with a 15,000-strong security force at the ready in their barracks. The junta also ordered that some political websites be blocked. King Bhumibol Adulyadej made a rare televised address when he granted an audience to the court's judges, and urged them to use care in their deliberations.

Some schools were closed out of security concerns, but there were no signs of large protests. Fewer than 200 people gathered quietly behind police barricades across the road from the court, and parties kept their supporters away from the site.

The Democrat Party faced six charges, among them accusations that it had paid off members of two smaller parties, the Progressive Democrat Party and the Better Life Party, to frame Thai Rak Thai of trying to buy their votes. But the Democrats were acquitted on all charges.

"The facts cannot prove that the Democrats did any wrongdoing so there is no reason to dissolve the Democrats," said Thanit Kesawapitak, one of nine tribunal judges.

However, the Progressive Democratic Party was found guilty of rigging its membership records, and ordered dissolved. Furthermore, the party's leaders are banned from politics for five years. The party was found guilty of falsifying its membership records to enable its candidates to run in three constituencies in Trang.

Democrat Party members sitting in the court room appeared to be relieved as they heard the verdict read.

At the Democrats' headquarters, the mood was celebratory. Crowds lined the streets to the offices, and leaders were greeted with cheers and applause and given bouquets of flowers.

"Today's victory is for people and the country," Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva told supporters. "Today is the end of pressure on the party and the people. What I wish from is that the Council of National Security and the government holds the national election as promised and as scheduled," he said.

The Council of National Security, the junta's ruling body, has promised a national referendum on a new constitution, with elections by December.

The Democrat Party is Thailand's oldest political party, founded in 1945, and has mainly been an opposition party. With Chuan Leekpai as prime minister, the Democrats led coalition governments from 1992 to 1995 and again from 1997 to 2001, when Thaksin and Thai Rak Thai were swept to power on a tide of populist sentiment. Since being ousted in last year's coup, Thaksin has lived in self-imposed exile outside Thailand, mainly in London.

Now, with Thai Rak Thai removed from the scene, the Democrats are likely to return to power if the promised elections are held, said Michael Montesano, who teaches Thai politics at the National University of Singapore.


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Hillary Clinton's song contest reaches final round

June 1, 2007 U.S. Democratic Party presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton has been asking webizens to vote on her official campaign song. Campaign Manager Patti Solis Doyle sent an email today to previous voters, urging them to choose a song in the second and final round of voting.

Clinton, as many of the other candidates, have been using "Web 2.0" applications like YouTube, Flickr, MySpace, Facebook, and blogs to try and engage young voters.

The top five songs in Round One were "Suddenly I See" by KT Tunstall, "Rock This Country!" by Shania Twain, "Beautiful Day" by U2, "Get Ready" by The Temptations, and "I'm a Believer" by Smash Mouth. Five top write-ins were also added to the list of round 2 nominees: "Are You Gonna Go My Way" by Lenny Kravitz, "Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" by McFadden & Whitehead, "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" by The Police, "You and I" by Celine Dion, and "The Best" by Tina Turner.

Many of the nominated songs are from international artists; Tunstall is Scottish, Twain is Canadian, and U2 are Irish.


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F-15 fighter jet crashes near Vincennes, Indiana, USA

May 30, 2007

In the United States this morning, an F-15 Eagle fighter jet from the Missouri Air National Guard crashed near Vincennes, Indiana. Reports say that the pilot successfully ejected prior to the crash and walked to first responders under his own power. The crash occurred in a sparsely populated area and there are no reports of injuries on the ground.

The pilot was taken to Vincennes Hospital to be checked for injuries.

The fighter jet was performing maneuvers with three other aircraft, none of which were involved in the incident. All four aircraft are part of the 131st Fighter Wing of the Missouri Air National Guard, flying out of Lambert Field in St. Louis, Missouri. The training maneuvers were taking place at Military Operating Area Red Hills in southern Illinois and Indiana.

Resources from the Indiana Air National Guard 181st Fighter Wing from Terre Haute, Indiana, are securing the area surrounding the crash site. They will be joined by UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter support from the 38th Aviation Brigade of the Indiana National Guard from Shelbyville, Indiana.


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Arnold Schwarzenegger marks three day visit to Canada

May 30, 2007

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the current governor of California, started his three day visit to Canada yesterday.

Upon arrival at the Pearson International Airport in Toronto, Schwarzenegger was met with Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty and U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins.

He arrived at the Delta Chelsea hotel in downtown Toronto, where Canadian reporters waited to ask him questions. At a Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) store, workers and shoppers were stunned to see the former actor, who came to promote California wine with LCBO chairman Phillip Olsson; after, he gave autographs to his many fans. Schwarzenegger then arrived at a local grocery store promoting California fruits and vegetables.

He was presented with a Special Olympics jacket at the hotel, where the unveiling of Team Canada's new uniforms took place.

He then arrived at the Liberty Grand hotel to give a speech.

"It's great to be here in Canada --a trade mission means not just trading good and services but also ideas," Schwarzenegger told reporters.

Both politicians signed an agreement today for Ontario and California to donate $30 million over 5 years for stem cell research. They also signed an agreement today for low-carbon fuel standards.

"All great things start on the grassroots level," said Schwarzenegger. "Eventually, the federal government is going to get it."

McGuinty told reporters that he doesn't want to "over-power" the Canadian government itself by being the only province in the country to have limited emissions from vehicles, noting the whole country should follow Schwarzenegger's plan.

Schwarzenegger, today, made a brief speech at Toronto's Economic Club at The Sheraton Centre Grand Ballroom, 123 Queen Street West, at around 12:50 p.m. ET and is expected to receive the Newsmaker of the Year award there.

He is set to meet with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper today in Ottawa as well as British Columbia premier Gordon Campbell in Vancouver on Thursday. He will talk more about Climate change and stem cell research.

Schwarzenegger also put his bid for the Ducks to win the 2007 Stanley Cup Finals tonight in Anaheim, California against the Ottawa Senators, whom McGuinty put his support behind.


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GOODBYE CINDY...
...we won't miss you. You are mentally ill, and I hope that you get the help that you need. You did not honor your son's death by acting like a fool. You were a pathetic joke. You ruined the family that you had left, instead of bringing your family together in their time of need, when they in fact, needed you most. I doubt that they will have an easy time forgiving you for that. I don't blame your husband for leaving you. You left him, when you went trotting off all over the country and beyond, spouting your anti-war rhetoric. You have become obsessed with your hatred for Bush. It is to the point of being unhealthy. You need help dealing with your son's death. Cindy, we won't miss your manical rant's and raves on TV. You need to go back to your family, give them the love that they deserve, and make an appointment to see a good psychiatrist.--POST RESPONSES, EMAILS GO TO SPAM UNREAD.


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"Schwarzenegger also put his bid for the Ducks to win the 2007 Stanely Cup tonight in Anaheim, California against the Ottawa Senators." Hehe. I guess he likes ducks. Us, Canadians, like Senators and Maple Leafs!! — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  18:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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The use of "Governator" is probably not appropriate for an article about an official visit. --SVTCobra 18:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Ditto. Remove nickname please. --84.67.250.92 17:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Since Wikinews never published this on May 30, shouldn't the date be bumped to May 31? --SVTCobra 17:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)