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Christine Comer resigned this month as the director of the science curriculum for the Texas Education Agency's (TEA) director after more than nine years. Comer said her resignation was due to pressure from officials who claimed she had given the appearance of criticizing the teaching of intelligent design.

According to documents obtained by the Austin American-Statesman, "Comer was put on 30 days paid administrative leave shortly after she forwarded an e-mail in late October announcing a presentation by Barbara Forrest, a critic of the intelligent design/creationist movement. Forrest served as an expert witness at the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial. At Dover, intelligent design was ruled "a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory." There is widespread scientific support for evolution, while creationism has been described as pseudoscience by the scientific community.

Comer's resignation comes shortly ahead of the TEA's State Board of Education (SBOE) reviews of the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS), which determine what should be taught in the classrooms and what textbooks are bought.

The advocacy group Texas Citizens for Science have released a statement saying, in part, "The real reason [Comer] was forced to resign is because the top TEA administrators and some SBOE members wanted her out of the picture before the state science standards—the science TEKS—were reviewed, revised, and rewritten next year. Plans are underway by some SBOE members and TEA administrators to diminish the requirement to teach about evolutionary biology in the Biology TEKS and to require instead that biology instructors 'Teach the Controversy' about the 'weaknesses' of evolution, that is, teach the Creationist-inspired and -created bogus controversy about evolution that doesn't exist within legitimate science."

Professor PZ Myers, biology professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris, wrote that Forrest is "exactly the kind of person boards of education ought to consult before going down the road of attempting to legislate religion into the public schools."

In reaction to the news Forrest told National Center for Science Education, "In my talk, I simply told the truth -- about the history of the 'intelligent design' movement, about the complete rejection of its claims by the scientific community, and about the Kitzmiller trial and my involvement in it. Maybe the TEA can't afford to take a position on what constitutes good science education -- maybe it must remain neutral on whether or not to lie to students about evolution -- but if so, that's just sad."

Agency officials declined to comment, saying it was a personnel issue.


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wat the fuck britney may have a huge problem but she loves her children so fuck kevin look at wat he did to shar jackson and her 2 kids he missed his son calebs 1st birthday so fuck it she should be cut a break for brit.

and oh fuck the papparazzi

I believe that Britney Spears is misguided, and needs to take the safety and security of her children seriously. I think she should be put into jail and have a phychologist take a good hard look at her. She needs to be redirected in ways that will get her liked and appreciated again. She needs to take the help that she's being offered, and take it seriously, so she can get her kids back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.18.197 (talk) 03:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


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NPOV Issue
Hello Reetweert. The sentence, "There is widespread scientific support for evolution and creationism is considered pseudoscience," just seems a bit POV, out of place, and weasely. Where is it sourced from? Maybe I am wrong... Cheers, Jcart1534 05:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I also don't like "forced" in quotes. It's too tabloid. The headline needs a POV revamp. TheCustomOfLife 06:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The sentence seems NPOV to me at least. The scientific consensus is that creationism in most forms is pseudoscience. See here and here. JoshuaZ 16:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. I reworded the sentence and moved it to a more relevant paragraph. Jcart1534 16:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What's with the massive quote from Texas Citizens for Science and why is it in italics? --SVTCobra 06:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I had a go at more c/e and renamed the article. Jcart1534 14:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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The article seems to suggest she was encouraging creationism by forwarding said email, but then at the end intimates she is an upholder of science. Perhaps this could be made clearer - what about the email has "forced" this resignation? 194.176.105.39 08:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed, I modified it slightly to specify that Barbara Forrest is in fact a critic of creationism. At first it said a "scholar of ID/creationism", which was rather ambiguous and could very well mean she's in support of it. That's how I understood it when I first that paragraph anyway. 207.134.103.122 13:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it clear to the reader ...
Is it clear to the reader that this person lost their job because she attended an anti-intelligent-design conference without telling the board and they felt it impaired her judgement? I "get" that after reading the sources, but I didn't "get" that after reading our article. --SVTCobra 17:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * We should probably add that the TEA says that that was one of the primary issues. My impression from the sourcing is that there's conflict about what actually led to the job loss. JoshuaZ 18:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * From outside the US, the conflict appears clearer than the article makes out: Comer did not support ID. Since the TEA in its current form (illegitimately) supports creationism (its policy to remain "neutral" on the issue is not a scientific position at all), Comer had to go, and the TEA is saying several things trying to justify the unjustifiable. Every statement that the TEA makes regarding Comer boils down to evidence that Comer did not support ID, and by her activities was actively trying to prevent ID from making inroads into Texas education. The TEA did not support those activites. Of course attending the anti-ID conference made them angry. The primary trigger for the ouster remains the email.  I think this added to the article might help:
 * Lizzette Reynolds, formerly of the U.S. Department of Education and also deputy legislative director for to Governor George W. Bush, emailed Comer's supervisor: "This is highly inappropriate," Reynolds said. "I believe this is an offense that calls for termination or, at the very least, reassignment of responsibilities.

 * Quote from www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/29/1129science.html
 * What do you think? Mozzie 22:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:British teacher convicted of insulting Islam in Sudan

As a non-muslim, I'm puzzled how naming something Muhammad can be an insult to the faith of muslims. Are the parents who name their boy Muhammad also insulting the faith? and if not, why not? 87.112.21.129 07:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's the same reason why several Christian churches strictly-speaking prohibit depictions of God. I think the name is acceptable, after all Muhammed is, and probably was at the time, a common name. Jesu is also a common name in several parts of the world. But perhaps naming an object Muhammed is seen as the equivalent of the veneration of icons.--Ganchelkas 08:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Ganchelkas is probably right. Some Christian groups have "no idols" clauses in stark contrast to Catholicism where images portraying Jesus on the cross or Mary are common. And, while it might be common in some countries for children to be named Jesus or Mohammed, naming an object similarly would be frowned upon. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It does seem to me there are many ways in which The Prophet, and Islam, can be insulted. Is there a guide for non-muslims as how to avoid causing offence? 87.112.21.129 14:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * This is ridiclious. You can't execute people because they name a Teddy bear something that you don't like. These people need to open up their minds up and stop being such ignorant asses. Learn to tolerate stuff like that because it won't be the last time you see it. (209.7.171.66 14:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC))

 * Why not? It is up to the country's law makers to decide what is legal and what is not, and to set the penalities for breaking those laws. For example, Singapore has a mandatory death sentence for drug smuggling and very stiff penalites for littering and other so-called minor crimes.  However, the Singapore government makes such variations from the "norm" widely known to visitors (big signs at the airort, and so on).  The failing by Sudan, is how their laws vary from the "norm" is not widely known. It seems very easy for a naieve visitor to inadvertently cause offence.
 * Incidentally, language such as calling "these people" "ignorant asses" is very intolerant and should not be used in a public forum. 87.112.21.129 15:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's called common sense. Just because it's law, doesn't mean it's not stupid. 124.188.168.143 14:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * and it's up to everyone to criticise countries that have ridiculous and unjust laws. by your argument the laws in nazi germany, stalin's russia, pol pot's cambodia were ok because it's up to those countries' law makers to decide what is legal and what is not.--212.183.134.129 19:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

We often hear about the muslim belief in a conspiracy against Islam. For example, in this case the Assembly of the Ulemas said it was "another ring in the circles of plotting against Islam". Is there any evidence of such a plot? 87.112.21.129 14:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it. Muslims routinely name themselves Mohammed, so does that mean they are attempting to depict the Prophet Mohammed? Is there an Islamic law that says that only human beings should be named Mohammed? I think any fair minded person can see that this is a disgusting and ignorant act from the Sudanese Judiciary/Government... but is there anyone familiar with Islamic law that can explain to me what precept in Islam they could have been using to find this woman guilty? Email me please. wangst@gmail.com

What is your problem 87.112.21.129? Is it ok make a law against wearing blue t-shirts if I advertise it on every street corner? You seem to completely misunderstand the universal outpouring of anger that accompanies cases like this. Let me give you a hint. It is not because the Sudanese Dictatorship is inefficient. If the super efficient but entirely despotic Singaporean government wants to kill people for trying to bring drugs into Singapore I will think that is repugnant and disgusting until my dying breath. The same goes for the arbitrarily applied laws of Sudan. This tendency I see in you and others to forgive the most heinous crimes against humanity in the name "understanding and tolerance" while less disgusting is perhaps even more dangerous than the heinous crimes in question. wangst@gmail.com

 * Yes, however ridiculous it may seem to us, it is OK to make a law against the wearing of blue t-shirts, if a large proportion of the country's population is offended by it. Issuing advice to foreigners, that blue t-shirts are offensive, would be a good idea to reduce inadvertant trangressions of that law.  Supposing I was to visit your country and commit a crime, would the laws of your country not apply to me just because I'm a foreign visitor? Of course not! I could expect to be convicted in one of your courts and then deported.  The problem is that visitors too often think the country's laws somehow don't apply to them.  Even if you consider some laws or punishments disgusting breaches of human rights, that does not mean you should get away with breaking those laws when you visit.  In no court has "I'm a foreigner", "I didn't think that was illegal" or "I think that law is ridiculous", been a valid defence.
 * In this particular case, the court found Ms Gibbons guilty of "insulting the faith of Muslims". Where Sudanese law has let her down, is in the interpretation of what counts as insulting.  However, once this precedent had been decided, the judge rejected calls for the stronger charge of "inciting religious hatred", which carries a punishment of up to 40 lashes, 6 months in prison and a fine.  Perhaps if Ms Gibbons had been better advised about local cultural sensitivities before taking the teaching job, this would not have happened.  Perhaps if the school secretary had said to her "I really don't think calling the teddy bear Mohammed is a good idea - it could upset people around here", instead of going to the education ministry, this would not have happened.
 * What has gone seriously wrong, is for the Sudanese government to use this minor incident to deflect attention away from Darfur; for the immams to denounce Ms Gibbon and for protestors to fill the streets of Khartoum chanting "kill her". It is for these reasons that Ms Gibbons is quite rightly a prisoner of conscience and should be released immediately so she can go home.
 * I think the death penalty is wrong in all cases. The laws of nazi Germany were wrong. The laws of Stalin's USSR were wrong. The laws of Pol-Pot were wrong.  And in muslim countries, the laws protecting islam are often wrong.  But, I would go out of my way to avoid falling foul of such laws by learning about where I was visiting and having an appreciation for the culture and for the current legal climate, rather than ignoring the law and applying my own different standards of right and wrong.
 * 87.112.21.129 13:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually UN member states are obliged to follow the UDHR. So it is not really a case of people THINKING it is a disgusting breach of Human Rights, it actually is. Freedom of expression is allowed under article 19 of the UDHR. This reaction has been utterly disgusting and uncalled for, and it just shows how pathetic religious fundamentalists are, and how dangerous religious dogma can be.
 * Patrick Smith 1:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF
Haha, oh god, this is just pathetic. What the hell has humanity come to? 124.188.168.143 14:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Teddy bears and toilets
My emotional reaction to the verdict was to name my toilet Muhammad. I have calmed down and will now be content to let it remain under its given name: American Standard. Is that an insult to America? —71.108.120.11 18:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Terrorist activities to engage in with a toilet...
 * (1) stop water flow into toilet and empty cistern.
 * (2) Empty bowl.
 * (3) Fill bowl with Mentos.
 * (4) Fill cistern with Diet Coke.

 * Stand *well* back. :D --Brian McNeil / talk 19:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Sad
I can't believe this. The teacher just allowed it. The kids really named the teddy and I really believe the court knows they had no ill intent. They're just trying please some short-sighted, ill-informed fundamentalists. What's so bad about kids naming a toy? And if depicting the prophet is such a bad thing, then how come naming your child Muhammad is allowed? I have never seen someone convicted for naming their child. - 87.211.75.45 23:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. It's such a hilariously stupid but sad story. The people who prosecuted her are an insult to Islam, not Ms Gibbons. I bet a lot of Muslims are angry that they're being given such a bad name because of this. And for them to talk about her "inciting religious hatred"?! Jprulestheworld (talk) 07:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


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"According to the company press release, one gigawatt is enough to power a city the size of San Franscisco." For how long? --156.56.128.128 14:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Forever is the short answer. A gigawatt is a rate of power, not a quantity of energy. Think of a 100W light bulb, it requires a 100 watts to shine at its designed level. As long as it gets that rate of power it will keep shining until it burns out. If you leave that bulb on for 10 hours you will have used 10 hours times 100 watt or 1000 watt-hours. Your electric company will bill you for how many watt-hours you have used. --SVTCobra 15:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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Sudanese protesters demand death for British teacher

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Roughly 600 enraged Sudanese protesters, some armed with knives and sticks, converged on Khartoum's Martyrs' Square after Friday Prayers to demand the death of Gillian Gibbons, the British teacher jailed yesterday for allowing her class of 7-year-olds to name a teddy bear Mohammad, one of the most common names in the Arab world.

A number of prominent Sudanese clerics ignored government instructions not to inflame the situation, although they stopped short of directly calling for her death. By the end of Friday Prayers passions were running high.

Sheikh Hussein Mubarak told thousands of the faithful gathered for the Muslim day of prayer that the court's "verdict was lenient out of fear of criticism from human rights organisations, America and the West", and he denounced "those who try to defend democracy and human rights and insult the Prophet." He claimed Ms Gibbons was part of a campaign to transform Sudan from an Islamic state into a Christian state.

Sheikh Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, told worshippers at the city's Martyr's Mosque that Gillian Gibbons had deliberately named her class's teddy bear Mohammed with the intention of insulting Islam. "Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion."

Leaflets distributed earlier in the week by Sudanese Muslim groups had condemned Gibbons as an "infidel" and accused her of "the pollution of children's mentality". They promised a "popular release of anger" at demonstrations on Friday.

An angry crowd of around 600 protesters - some reports say thousands - gathered at Martyrs' Square, outside the presidential palace. The mob chanted slogans like, "those who insult the Prophet of Islam should be punished with bullets", "No tolerance: Execution," "Kill her, kill her by firing squad," and "Shame, shame on the UK." Newspaper pictures of Ms Gibbons were set on fire, and foreign journalists were threatened, and forced to leave.

Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.

Britain's Foreign Office is understood to be arranging further talks with the Sudanese government today.

Boris Johnson, an English MP writing in The Times in London, has welcomed Muslim opposition in Britain to the events in Sudan and called for muslims to publicly demonstrate their outrage:
 * "the voices we need to hear now belong to Britain's vast, sensible Muslim majority... Their arguments will be heard with respect in Khartoum, since they cannot be said to be founded on any kind of cultural imperialism, or to be actuated by Islamophobia.
 * "More importantly, a strong protest by British Muslims against the imprisonment of Gillian Gibbons would help to contradict the growing ranks of pessimists and neo-cons - the people who say that the real problem is Islam, the religion itself."

Ms Gibbons' son John, from Liverpool, has asked that British people angered by his mother's jail sentence should not turn against Muslims.
 * "We have had a lot of support from Muslims in Britain, in Sudan and across the world... I do not want this to lead to any anti-Muslims feeling in this country."


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Hostage taker surrenders peacefully at Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire campaign office

November 30, 2007 A man claiming to have had a bomb is reported by WMUR to have surrendered peacefully at the campaign office of Senator Hillary Clinton in the small New Hampshire city of Rochester.

Three individuals, which includes a child, were taken hostage and were later released without injury. Earlier reports stated that there might have been a fourth hostage. The adults are said to be campaign employees.

The hostage taker is being named by media as Leeland Eisenberg from Somersworth, N.H., a white male in his "40s with salt and pepper hair" and is known to police by prior incidents which includes family issues and he is also reported to have a history of emotional and mental health problems. According to the son of the hostage taker, he talked to a witness and said his father had been drinking last night and strapped road flares to his chest and said he was going to talk to Senator Clinton.

WMUR cameras captured on live TV an armored car pulling up in front of the office and shortly after Leeland was seen walking out of the building, dropped something on the ground and surrendered to police. It is said that Leeland believed the U.S. government "is coming after him" and that there was a conspiracy to have him caught. Leeland has been taken to the local police station in Rochester.

After the scene was evacuated of all hostages and the suspect, police used a robot to examine the reported device or bomb that Leeland was said to have.

According to the DNC chairman Howard Dean, Senator Clinton has cancelled a speech at a Democratic National Committee meeting in Vienna, Virginia and all other events today to deal with the situation. Her husband, former US President Bill Clinton canceled a speech in New York City. Senators Barack Obama and John Edwards also have campaign offices down the street which have been closed and locked down along with the rest of downtown Rochester. Clinton's campaign offices located in Des Moines, Iowa have also been closed on a temporary basis.

"Unfortunately as some of you know, there is a hostage situation in New Hampshire involving a Clinton campaign staff person. The details are sketchy at this time, but understandably Sen. Clinton is now dealing with this very difficult problem and she is not going to be able to join us today. And we will keep them in our prayers and hope for a resolution to this situation in New Hampshire," said Dean at a press conference.

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German pilot Elly Beinhorn dies, aged 100

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Elly Beinhorn, a German pilot who was a long-distance-flying pioneer in her Klemm monoplane has died at the age of 100 on Wednesday, November 28.

Beinhorn was born Elly Beinhorn-Rosemeyer on May 30, 1907 in Hanover, Germany. In 1928, Beinhorn attended a lecture by famed aviator Hermann Köhl, who had recently completed a historic East-West Atlantic crossing. This lecture is described as the spark that ignited her interest in aviation.

At age 21, Beinhorn had a little money from an inheritance and against the wishes of her parents moved to Spandau in Berlin and learnt to fly at Berlin-Staaken airport under the tutelage of instructor Otto Thomsen. She had soon learnt to fly solo in a small Klemm KL-20, but her money was running out, so it was suggested she give aerobatic displays at weekends; financially rewarding, but personally unsatisfying.

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these are not native at all
these are not native at all ....i'm native i know ...not native to any where here in north america"turtle island"as we know it ...any one who knows native culture aspescially knows west coast art knows these are not of our culture from a heiltsuk tribal member "hus-tu-'ees"

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Comments:Utah taser incident triggers debate and death threats

I think that the police officer was being judge and jury. If a person doesn't sign, cannot the video and any other evidence be used instead? If there is a high speed car chase that is getting out of hand and would result in other people's injury, then the chase is called off. Why not here, under the circumstances, instead of resorting to a taser?

Where can we find additional information as to the aftermath? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.247.12 (talk) 07:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It is police state minded officer John Gardner, who was not seeing Mr. Massey as a real person. It is only right that the actions of all officers who do not see us as real people feel the very real power of the people. They need to be reminded often who they work for and it is obvious if the police escalate an incident then posting these escalations after the proper chain of command has been tried must be left open. Technology must not favor only the police but must be used to favor the victim always. I hope this officer and others like him learn that we will not tolerate this new police state which is being used on the American people to condition us for the martial law which the government plans to use to impose the NEW WORLD ORDER tyranny government. The powers that be that are encouraging this behavior in police officers don't understand yet, that there is not enough of them to kill the the last nation who is under the rules of freedom under our inspired US Constitution. Police officers need to start waking up to the oath which they took to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic and I would venture to say that there are more domestic than foreign. Police officers need to understand that their powers are derived from the people "us" if they do not keep their oaths then we have every right to remove enemies of the Us Constitution by any and all means no options removed. This means "police state minded officers" if they violate our rights and refuse to keep their oaths of office. They can not just say it is my job. If you can not function under the constraints of the US Constitution then you are in the wrong job. Not all laws are Constitutional and it is up to every person to understand this Constitution or risk loosing your freedoms. And this means you too police officers. If you feel that it is your job to be mindless goons then don't complain when some one who is mindful of his rights rightfully take you out some day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.130.23 (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It is police state minded officer John Gardner, who was not seeing Mr. Massey as a real person. It is only right that the actions of all officers who do not see us as real people feel the very real power of the people. They need to be reminded often who they work for and it is obvious if the police escalate an incident then posting these escalations after the proper chain of command has been tried must be left open. Technology must not favor only the police but must be used to favor the victim always. I hope this officer and others like him learn that we will not tolerate this new police state which is being used on the American people to condition us for the martial law which the government plans to use to impose the NEW WORLD ORDER tyranny government. The powers that be that are encouraging this behavior in police officers don't understand yet, that there is not enough of them to kill the the last nation who is under the rules of freedom of our inspired US Constitution. Police officers need to start waking up to the oath which they took to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic and I would venture to say that there are more domestic than foreign. Police officers need to understand that their powers are derived from "the people" "us" if they do not keep their oaths of office, then we have every right to remove enemies of the US Constitution by any and all means no options removed. Yes you are to work by a higher standard. This means "you" "police state minded officers" if you violate our rights and refuse to keep your oaths of office. You can not just say, "it is my job to violate your rights". If you can not function under the constraints and high standards of the US Constitution then you are in the wrong job. Not all laws are Constitutional and it is up to every person to understand this Constitution or risk loosing your freedoms. And this means you too police officers. If you feel that it is your job to be mindless goons then don't complain when some one who is mindful of his rights rightfully takes you out some day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.130.23 (talk) 20:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

editing suggestion re: "Utah taser incident triggers debate and death threats"
In the article appears: "He orders Massey, who is still pointing at the sign, to stop and then draws his taser at Massey." In my Youtube viewings, that sentence is debatable at best.

If an officer says "Put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest." to a person 2km away (out of earshot), there's BEEN no "order". In the video I saw, the detained person was SPEAKING and LOOKING AWAY from the officer for the officer's first "order". Reasonably that order-sounding WAS NOT HEARD prior weapon draw from holster. Maybe for the Utah Highway Patrol there's no such duty. I would think there should be.

I didn't hear "taser" or "tase" in the video. From the detained person's point of view in the video, the drawn weapon (out of holster) might have appeared a firearm. Most taser included arrest videos I've seen include such as "...I'll tase...". Perhaps Utah arrest varies.

In any event, there was a $40,000 settlement not in this article http://www.kxmc.com/News/217709.asp in part, in some opinions, based on ANOTHER dimension (post-tasering protocol failure).

For those and other reasons, the wikinews.org article doesn't properly stand as I've read it today circa 1120am EDT, May 25, 2008. I suggest it be removed or edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastontario (talk • contribs) 15:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


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Daredevil Evel Knievel dies at age 69

November 30, 2007 Daredevil Evel Knievel has died today at the age of 69, according to a family member.

Knievel's granddaughter, Krysten Knievel confirms that he died after his health failed due to diabetes and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. In 1999 he also underwent a liver transplant after complications from hepatitis C. He was born Robert Craig Knievel Jr. on October 17, 1938 in Butte, Montana.

Knievel will likely be most remembered for a failed stunt he tried to perform in Idaho. He attempted to jump over the Snake River Canyon with a rocket powered motorcycle, which ended in a premature ejection of the parachute and the motorcycle's subsequent fall into the canyon, resulting in minor injuries to Knievel.

"No king or prince has lived a better life. You're looking at a guy who's really done it all. And there are things I wish I had done better, not only for me but for the ones I loved," said Knievel in an Associated Press interview in 2006.

Knievel is survived by four children, ten grandchildren and a great-grandchild.

Knievel retired in 1980.

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Comments:Hostage taker surrenders peacefully at Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire campaign office

What's the motive? Fephisto 22:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Clinton's campaign.
Would i be too out of line to suggest this could help Clinton's campaign in any way? 216.96.70.102 22:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The Over-Dramatization of Politics
What was going through the mind of the man who took at least four people hostage at the Rochester campaign office of Hillary Clinton?

Do I really have to ask?

Obviously, no sane person, no matter what their political views, would ever do such a thing. But add a mentally unstable person such as Leeland Eisenberg to the picture, and overzealous rhetoric can become a dangerous reality. Eisenberg's actions today should serve as a clear warning that politics has become over-dramatized in our society.

And the Left is not blameless, either. Does anyone else remember when, not long after President Bush's inauguration in 2001, a man armed with a pistol began firing shots into the air from the White House gates? Then, as now, the rhetoric of fear and loathing inspires more than campaigning and voting.

Sadly, this rhetoric is understandable. From a strictly-political point of view, it is much more productive to tap into voters' emotions than voters' reason. If you cannot inspire passion within the limits of a lamentably short attention span, you can be assured that your opponents will.

But today should make it clear that things have gone too far. It's time to calm down and recognize that, whoever wins the presidency, it won't be the end of the world. We have four-year terms and a two-term limit for a reason.

That said, I have no hope that this will happen. We have bred a generation of authoritarian politicians and ideologues who care more about power than anything else. Some of them may even see the actions of people like Eisenberg as a sign of the strength of their supporter's convictions.

- Yarvin 23:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

 * You got to realize, that a some people may do these things for the same reason any revolution occurs. Although, I agree that doesn't seem to be the case here.  Fephisto 22:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The scales of equality
Wouldn't it be ashame to blame Christianity for this heinous act committed by this man? That would actually be the equivalent of a Muslim committing such acts and the public says it's in the name of Islam. That will never happen!

 * I, for one, agree. On the whole, I find political ideologies are a lot scarier than religions. -Yarvin 04:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

 * That's asinine ... it would only make sense if the man himself claimed to be doing it in the name of religion and I haven't seen such claims. People blame Islam because people claim to be doing things in the name of Allah. I am not saying that is fair or not, but the committers of the acts are the ones who implicate their religion themselves. --SVTCobra 06:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

So we all agree she pulled a political stunt?
Whether we are concerned for her safety, or scornful for her cheap tactics, we are still giving her the attention she was trying to grab here, so do yourself a favor and read about another candidate like Barack Obama There is a great documentary done by the BBC called Century of the Self that takes a Freudian psychological look at politics and our society as a whole. (source credit needed.) After seeing this, her media grab may not seem so unlikely.

--66.223.160.221 10:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Or you could read about Ron Paul. Fephisto 17:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I bet she's loving this...
This is better press for her than any stunt she could have pulled off herself. Stupid Leeland. She's been trying to play the victimized strong-woman card for the entire campaign, and you just handed that to her. I hope you're happy.

douche bag gos nuts
The head line says it all

I am but an onion. So will the real slim shady please stand up
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Minnesota oil pipeline explosion and fire kills two

November 30, 2007

A major oil pipeline in Minnesota exploded and caught fire, killing two workers. The pipeline carries oil from Saskatchewan, Canada to close to Chicago, United States, representing 16% of America's total oil imports.

The section of the pipe that exploded was undergoing maintenance at the time to address a pinhole leak first identified three weeks earlier, and patched at the time with a metal sleeve. On Wednesday, the entire section was removed and replaced with a new one. When oil was reintroduced on Thursday morning, oil leaked where the new section joined the pre-existing pipe, triggering the fatal explosion.

The fire was extinguished later the same day.

The line is split between four separate pipes. After the explosion, all four pipes were shut down, resulting in the global price surge, but this subsided for the most part after it became clear that the three undamaged pipelines had returned to normal operation, restoring 80% of the line's capacity, and that the accident pipe is expected to be back in use in a matter of days.

"There were no problems found in that area where the leak occurred," reporters were told by Larry Springer, spokesman for Enbridge, the Canadian company that owns the line. High-tech equipment had been through the line in 2006 to check for any signs of problems.

Enbridge identified the deceased as Dave Mussati Jr. and Steve Arnovich, both of whom were contract workers based in Superior, Wisconsin. The damaged section of pipe is in Clearbrook, which is approximately 350 miles Northwest of Minneapolis.

Enbridge metallurgists have been sent to examine the failed section in an effort to determin the cause of the accident. Other Enbridge workers are working to clear spilled oil from the site. It is expected that once this is complete, the pipe will return to service.

Global crude oil prices temporarily spiked by over US$4 per barrel but closed yesterday slightly above original prices.


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Blast in a coal mine in Donetsk, Ukraine

December 1, 2007 Another blast shook the Ukrainian coal mine in, where over 100 miners died in a methane blast in November. According to the news agency, 52 miners were injured. The news agency reports also that most of them suffered carbon monoxide poisoning and were taken to an occupational diseases treatment clinic, while seven were hospitalised at the central hospital of the Donetsk region.

Marina Nikitina, a local officer of the Ukrainian's industrial safety agency Gosgorpromnadzor, informed the press that all of the 385 miners who were underground when the explosion occurred, have been already evacuated. According to her, the blast took place at 5.55 a.m.  in an isolated part of the collery at the deep of 1078 metres, where 63 people were working. A Ukrainian TV channel reports the disaster has been caused by a methane blast. It informs also that Vitalij Shevchenko, the mine's general engineer, has been ousted from his post by the Ukrainian mining supervision.

It is the second explosion in two weeks that happened in the pit. The November 18 blast is regarded among the Ukrainian media as the worst coal-mining disaster in Ukraine's post-Soviet history.

Today's blast is a part of deadly series of accidents in the Ukrainian coal mining industry; in the Donetsk region alone about 200 people have died this year.


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2007 Festival of Cabaret – preview

December 1, 2007

Next Wednesday, December 5, the 2007 Festival of Cabaret will begin in Zielona Góra. The event is to last 5 days, till Sunday, December 9. It is organised by Zielonogórskie Zagłębie Kabaretowe (English: Zielona Góra Basin of Cabarets).

The programme
The official opening of the Festival will take place at 17:00 (UTC) in the assembly hall of the University of Zielona Góra, 50 Podgórna Street, which is to be the main arena of the performances. Apart from the opening, the audience will see a show called Kabaret Teatr Absurdu "Żżżżż" (English: "Żżżżż" Cabaret Theatre of Nonsense) directed by Władysław Sikora. At 21:00 (UTC), among the events accompanying the Festival, it will be possible to watch a film titled Zamknięci w Celuloidzie in the "Kawon" club.

The second day of the Festival will be simultaneously the first day of the real contest, judged by the observers. Dno, Limo and Magda Mleczak cabarets will perform their shows at 17:00 (UTC) in the assembly hall of the University. At 21:00 (UTC) in the "Gęba" University club, the Playback Show is to take place; at the same time, in "Kawon", it will be possible to take part in a scenic-cabaret experiment entitled Nieustający skecz-sztafeta (English: Neverending sketch-relay). On Friday at 17:00 (UTC) the following cabarets will present their shows: Stado Umtata, NaPad and Artur Andrus. At 21:00 (UTC) the Kabaretowe karaoke (English: Cabaret Karaoke) in Gęba as well as a Piosenka mojego życia (English: The song of my life) lyrical-cabaret evening in Kawon are to begin.

Saturday will be the last day of the judged performances. At 16:00 (UTC) in the assembly hall of the University the audience is to see the shows by Ani Mru Mru and Ireneusz Krosny. Earlier, at 13:00 (UTC) in Zajazd Pocztowy, 78-80 Jedności Street, there will be an author's meeting with Grzegorz Miecugow, a co-author of the book "Kontaktowi, czyli szklarze bez kitu". At 20:00 (UTC) in the assembly hall of the UZ the life-improvised serial titled Spadkobiercy (English: The Heirs) is to begin. The last event of the Saturday evening will be the award of a silver and a few bronze Erich von Patisonh statuettes.

Sunday is the day intended for the performances of the cabarets from Zielona Góra. The audience will see the shows of cabarets connected with "Gęba" University club, including: Babeczki z Rodzynkiem, Ciach, Hlynur, Hrabi, Jurki, Made In China, Słuchajcie and Magda Mleczak.

The reports from the Festival will be free to see in Dzień dobry TVN (English: Good morning TVN) programme of a Polish commercial television channel TVN.

The observers
During this year's Festival two bodies will take on the duty of the observers, deciding about the final results: the Chapter of the Statuette and the Lodge of the Experts.

The Chapter of the Statuette will be made up of three representatives of the world of cabaret: Justyna Weight, Maciej Michalski and Krzysztof Szubzda; additionally, they are to be joined by two members of the audience. The following people will make up the Lodge of the Experts: Zofia Merle, Stanisław Tym, Wojciech Młynarski and Władysław Sikora.

In the opinion of the organizers of the Festival:

"The Statuette is not an award for the value of the programme – it's an expression of admiration, respect or jealousy towards the recipient."

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Comments:Sudanese protesters demand death for British teacher

Overreaction
Is there evidence that this woman intended to insult Islam? Regardless, calling for her death is a ridiculous overreaction. Even jailing her is beyond the pale. SB 16:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

True, it is a very definite overreaction in my opinion in their opinion, it's not, and they believe that it's perfectly logical and reasonable. While I don't believe that they will actually kill her, as the backlash for THAT would be extreme, they'll jsut get her out of the country as soon as they can.

This calls back to something that I read called "Monkeysphere" Basically, it states that people can't deal with groups of more than 150 or so, and anyone outside of this group is not really a person. That is what these people think of her, she's not a person, she's a manifestation of the things that they don't like. They don't think of her as a person, and I'm sure if you sat one of the people down, and explained coolly and logically what the whole story was, and that she isn't some phantom, they probably wouldn't still be calling for her to be shot. But again, that's just my opinion.

it's just stupid.

i mean all of this, it's just pathetic. the basis of the claim is that based on the religion, there shall be no like impersonations to muhammed, but think about it? wasn't the kid who the bear was named after named muhammed? they're simply inciting this on pure spite for someone out of their country. the secretary couldn't just accept that they gave the bear a name, she probably went home and spitefully put this guy onto a countries death list.

another excellent point, not once did they mention or even imply in any way shape or form that the bears name was in reference to the last prophet of god, it was just a name. okay, i name this computer muhammed, bring on the news reports. and my shirt is named muhammed too.

it's just stupid.

Exactly. Quite frankly, common sense > law here, but of course that's not going to happen, because it's "law". Pfft. 124.188.168.143 01:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Muhammad Madness
This is simply ridiculous. It is the Islamic [over] reaction that is truly outrageous. At worst such "imitaion" should be considered the sincerest form of flattery. Unless this innocent Teddy Bear were being abased in effigy, I fail to see what the problem is. Ironically, Teddy Bears themselves owe their name to President Theodore Roosevelt, a dubious honor that has been figuratively and quite literally embraced worldwide.—64.129.187.3 20:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Muslims will take any opportunity to "defend" their faith no matter how trivial the "insult". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.142.148 (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


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ETA fighters kill Spanish guard in southern France

December 1, 2007 A Spanish civil guard was killed today and another seriously wounded in the town of Capbreton, on the southwest coast of France, in a shootout with suspected members of the Basque separatist group ETA.

The events occurred around 8:30 a.m. UTC, when the two plainclothes guards were entering in their car after leaving a coffee shop in the locality. They were then assaulted by two men who fired on them. Agent Raul Centeno Pallón died on the scene instantly, while Fernando Trapero Blázquez was injured seriously and is in a coma.

The civil guard were taking part in a joint surveillance operation with French police against ETA in southern France, when the two guardsmen were apparently detected and identified by the suspected ETA members. After the attack, the two suspected ETA members, and a woman who was with them, fled in a car. Having traveled about 70 kilometers, the two men abandoned the vehicle and robbed another car. The driver of the hijacked car was kidnapped, put in the trunk and finally left tied to a tree.

This is the first fatality blamed on ETA since it ended the last cease-fire in June, although it has carried out many non-fatal actions.

This incident comes a day after the National High Court of Spain issued arrest warrants to round up 46 of 52 Basque citizens prosecuted and sentenced previously on accusations of supporting ETA's separatist ideas.


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