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'Stop being so damn respectful' say free speech supporters in London

February 11, 2012

Atheists,, and supporters of free speech rallied in London today to protest what they feel is an "increased confidence of Islamists to censor free expression publicly". Around 200 people gathered on the steps of the memorial to in  opposite the House of Lords in.

from the 'One Law for All' group, which protests against sharia law in the United Kingdom, said that freedom of expression was "the greatest freedom we have" and included "the freedom to offend".

Accusations of against those who reposted the   was one of a number of incidents highlighted by speakers. Susan Zhuang from the University College London Atheist, Secularist and Humanist society spoke of the reaction to the posting of the cartoon to their Facebook profile: "maybe we were naive but we never thought it would come to this". The university's student union demanded that the group remove the cartoon, but the group declined and launched an Internet petition to "defend freedom of expression".

The blogger and activist, who had been previously threatened with libel for saying that a clinic operated in Texas by was charging hundreds of thousands of dollars to cancer patients for unproven treatments, also spoke of being threatened by his sixth-form college to remove the Jesus and Mo cartoon from his Facebook account. He said that the staff at his college "implied that [he] would be suspended or expelled", claiming that the image offended Muslims. He also said that he had got threats of violence including someone saying that his house would be burned down, and was called a "God-hater".

The philosophy professor and the popular science writer Richard Dawkins both spoke at the rally, with the latter criticising the decision by the organisers of a literary festival in Jaipur, India, to "kowtow to a violent threat" by rescinding an invitation to the author  based on a demand by "some local Islamic scholar". (Dawkins joked about how, unlike Islamic scholars, "a true 'scholar' studies more than one book".)

Dawkins argued that people should "stop being so damn respectful". Without freedom of speech, Dawkins said, society would be in a "scientific, technological, moral dark age".


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Talk:'Stop being so damn respectful' say free speech supporters in London

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 * 2pm – around 100 to 150 people are here at the start of the event
 * held at the Old Palace Yard (opposite the House of Lords, on steps of monument to George V)
 * leaflet said that it was a "rally in defence of free expression and the right to criticise religion" and said that this was launched as "recent events reveal an increased confidence of Islamists to censor free expression publicly, particularly given the support received from universities and other bodies in the name of false tolerance, cultural sensitivity and respect"
 * Event sponsored by the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
 * 1st speaker from the Iranian Secularism Society
 * spoke about how "where they aren't in power, they [religious fundamentalists] are trying to restrict" freedom of speech
 * e.g. Rhys Morgan, sixth form student who was disciplined for putting a Jesus and Mo image on his Facebook page
 * freedom of speech is a "key principle that we need to defend"
 * said that the protest in London was being replicated "in South Africa, Australia, in Argentina" and other countries
 * "we speak for a great many in this country"
 * 2nd speaker - Anne Marie Waters, One Law for All campaign
 * "phobias" (e.g. Islamophobia) as a threat to freedom of speech, "the greatest freedom we have"
 * freedom of speech includes "the freedom to offend".
 * it's "all very nice not to hurt people's feelings", but "we have to offend" as "offence is dissidence"
 * when you offend someone, "don't feel guilty". everyone feels offended: "I'm offended too" by racism, female genital mutilation
 * "if we have to offend a few racists or misogynists along the way, all the better"
 * AC Grayling
 * Maryam Namazie read a statement on behalf of the author of the Jesus and Mo cartoon
 * asked when the last time you rushed into a church or mosque and interrupted a service demanding that they stop speaking.
 * compared with the many attempts by religious people to "bust in with rude and menacing demands"
 * but he does not want to silence religious speakers: "we want them to keep talking" as this will lead their ideas to be "inevitably laughed at".
 * Keith Porteous-Wood from the National Secular Society
 * criticised the idea that "criticism of Islam is Islamophobic" and being "Islamophobic is racist"
 * said the term Islamophobia was an attempt to "blackmail society" into silence.
 * Nick Doody, standup comedian
 * said that for comedians, freedom of expression means "the right to make jokes that people find offensive"
 * defended the principle that a joke and the subject matter of that joke are not the same: "you can find a 'knock-knock' joke funny without finding doors hysterical"
 * (14:21) Nick Cohen, journalist
 * criticised the fear and cowardice of politicians, educators and others: "universities become arid places" without free speech.
 * criticised Ken Livingstone as a "prize hypocrite" and said nobody in the liberal press will criticise Livingstone
 * said that journalists, politicians etc. should "admit your fears"–of violent reprisal by Islamists—as it will be impossible to face one's fear without admitting it first
 * (14:27) Rhys Morgan
 * after putting Jesus and Mo cartoon up on his Facebook, "I had started to receive threats" including having his "house burned down" and was told he was a "God-hater".
 * "My school wanted me to remove it" as it was offending Muslims
 * "implied that I would be suspended or expelled"—"that offended me"
 * Libel reform—"London is known as the libel capital of the world".
 * Chris McGrath case with Richard Dawkins over a book review
 * Burzynski clinic case against Morgan and others
 * (14:32) representative from QMASH, Queen Mary's Atheist, Secularists and Humanists
 * on 16 January, Muslim protestors outside their campus event on Sharia law caused "genuine intense fear" and "intimidation"
 * these were caused by a post on the Islamic Awakening website: "who gave these kuffar the right to speak?"
 * (14:35) Jim Fitzpatrick MP
 * "I had a run-in with Islamists in London... branded an Islamophobe and racist"
 * Jenny Barton from AHS
 * standing in solidarity with UCL, LSE atheists societies
 * "Academic discourse must be free"
 * Susan Zhuang, UCL Atheist Secularists Society
 * "maybe we were naive but we never thought it would come to this"
 * "we are defending freedom of expression for all"
 * "a society that compromises freedom of speech for some... is not a progressive society"
 * "a partial freedom to speak out is no freedom at all"
 * (14:40) Baroness Cox
 * spoke about law she is introducing to the Lords to regulate Sharia courts and councils, "quasi-legal systems" that promote "discrimination against women" through "differential access to divorce"
 * need to "eliminate gender discrimination" and "protect women in minority communities"
 * (14:45) Robert Sutton - student rights
 * Richard Dawkins
 * against religious ideologues who promote "mayhem and murder" and threaten beheading for an offence "no more serious than making drawings or writing a novel"
 * Jaipur literary festival
 * "Salman Rushdie was due to speak"
 * but "on this occasion, some local Islamic 'scholar'"... "threatened murder", "under pressure... the organisers bowed to the mob"
 * giving in to pressure isn't cowardise, it's simply "prudent"
 * "freedom of speech is not part of your culture" - nobody would express this idea "in such brazen terms"
 * told people to "stop being so damn respectful"
 * freedom of speech isn't just for things approved by the "central committee of the multiculturally correct"
 * without freedom of speech, we would "regress into a permanent state of intellectual babyhood" and would lead to "scientific, technological, moral dark age"
 * "every single step" of civilization has been done at the expense of someone who was offended
 * "we will never resort to violence or threats of violence", unlike opponents
 * "free expression is the only weapon we will use—cherish it, fight for it"
 * Kate Smurthwaite - star of "atheist bitchslap" YouTube video
 * following the video, she's had "hundreds and hundreds of threats" including threats of rape
 * she says she's a "human rights fundamentalist"
 * (14:57) Faisal Gazi
 * (15:04) Representative from GALHA, Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association
 * said that free speech has been an issue for gay people since Gay News case in 1976, where the publishers were taken to court for blasphemy for publishing 'The Love That Dares to Speak Its Name', a poem with Jesus being depicted as gay. Criminal convictions, fines, suspended prison sentence for editors.
 * modern threats to free speech coming from religious groups, backed up by Trotskyist: suggested that Jesus and Mo needs an equivalent for left-wing threats to free speech called "Trot and Schmo" (after Troskyists and schmucks)
 * (15:16) Sue Cox, Survivors Voice Europe
 * group for "survivors of Catholic clergy abuse"
 * was in Rome to protest against the Pope—elderly deaf sex abuse survivor was told by Italian police that a banner reading "Ratzinger Out" was offensive and required him to put it down
 * has a banner next to her desk from the London 'Protest the Pope' rally telling the Pope to "fuck off back to the 14th century".
 * (15:20) Pragna Patel from Southall Black Sisters
 * said that free speech was being challenged on "spurious grounds" to "appease the religious right" which was "in the ascendancy... in minority communities"
 * they protested against Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie with the slogan "religious leaders don't speak for us"
 * "human rights are not Western, they are universal, indivisible"
 * blasphemy and incitement to religious hatred laws exist to "control dissent"
 * (15:32) Atheism UK representative, Mark Embleton, spoke
 * (15:44) message from Andrew Copson, British Humanist Association was read out
 * message from International Humanist and Ethical Union read out
 * (15:51) Joan Smith, journalist
 * grew up without religion, "thrown out of the Brownies at age 9 for questioning the Brownie promise"
 * following Eric Pickles' comments against secularism, should be renamed from Minister of Communities to "Minister of the Christian Community"
 * said today's Daily Mail headline ("Christianity Under Attack") was "hysterical" and that the "threat we [secularists] pose is incredibly mild"
 * said she was not a militant atheist but a "militant secularist"
 * said she's been threatened by Islamists
 * (15:54) Maryam Namazie
 * defended a 23 year old Saudi blogger who wrote on Twitter about Mohammed
 * said it doesn't matter whether speech causes offense, it is irrelevant in the same way as whether a raped women's clothes are
 * Islamophobia is just "political words to scare people"
 * "how can we possibly not criticise Islam and religion?"
 * "we want people to be put first... not religion"
 * (16:00) presentations finished
 * probably 200 people at end.
 * was handed literature by 9/11 truthers and there was an evangelical Christian arguing the Bible with people

This is how I recorded it at the time and is as true a reflection of the event as I am able to give. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

 * If you need to confirm anything, there's full audio (not CC) available from the Pod Delusion website. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Attendee figures
In my OR notes, I said that the attendees figure was around 200. Various people have disagreed with that figure and think I may have unintentionally low-balled the number. Estimating crowd numbers is hard. The estimate of 200 was probably accurate for the start of the rally, and looking back at photos, File:Rally for Free Expression London 01.jpg (which was taken at 13:59) that is about accurate for the start. But there's more people later on, see File:Rally for Free Expression London 17.jpg (14:59) and File:Rally for Free Expression London 22.jpg (15:14, more than half way through the two hour rally), there is a greater density of people. I'm not sure what the appropriate action is with regards to correcting the figures. Truly, journalism is the first draft of history. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 * If there is a need to correct factual information in the article (it being more than 24 hours post-publish), we put a correction notice at the top of the article, but do not change the factual information where it appears in the article text (it remains wrong there, which is why the attention-grabbing notice at the top).

 * I haven't looked yet at the details of this; will comment on the merits of issuing a correction, once I have. --Pi zero (talk) 14:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Is the 300 to 400 figure wrong, or isn't it? The edit you'd proposed to the article changed the figure in the text and added a correction notice indicating that the figure the text had been changed to was wrong.  One would have thought, on the face of it, a correction notice would be appropriate only if we thought the figure in the text was wrong (and we couldn't change the text even then, which is why we'd issue a correction).  With the text staying the same, to keep the polarity of the notice it seems we'd be apologizing for getting it right.  Am I missing something (and if so, what)?  --Pi zero (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Reuse
Just going through my Google Reader, I found that freethinker.co.uk linked to this story and used one of my Commons pics. Which is fine! —Tom Morris (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! :-) --Pi zero (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


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Good report. Very clear account of the opinions expressed at the rally.


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Thread:Comments:'Stop being so damn respectful' say free speech supporters in London/what jesus and mo comic?

I'm not aware of the background behind this, and a description of and/or link to said comic might be helpful, since it's mentioned twice and I have no idea what this is about.


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Anti-ACTA activists protest across Europe

February 12, 2012

Guy Fawkes masks were on display in cities across Europe yesterday as part of a protest against the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), an international trade agreement on copyright and that opponents believe will limit free speech online.

Organisers of the protest said about 100,000 people turned up in German cities such as Berlin,, Hamburg, and. In Berlin, police estimated 6,500 protestors. Protests also took place in Paris, Sofia in Bulgaria, in Lithuania,  in Malta,  in Estonia, and Edinburgh and Glasgow in Scotland. In London, about 200 people protested outside some major copyright holders' offices. Last month, there were major protests in Poland when that country signed ACTA, which has led to the Polish government deciding not to ratify the agreement, for now. Latvia and Slovakia have both delayed the process of joining ACTA.

Jim Killock from the, a UK digital civil liberties campaigning group, said ACTA was "undemocratic", "lacked scrutiny", and was "setting up dangerous new pressures to censor the internet".

The United Kingdom have signed ACTA, along with 21 other EU countries. Germany and the Czech Republic have held out on agreeing to it, awaiting a debate on the matter in the European Parliament in June. , the Parliamentary Under-Secretary for the UK's, claims signing the treaty was important to help bring about "common enforcement standards and more effective international cooperation" in intellectual property law.


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Thread:Comments:'Stop being so damn respectful' say free speech supporters in London/what jesus and mo comic?/reply

The stupid thing is that it actually isn't a Jesus and Mo cartoon, just the cover image from the Jesus and Mo book. It's posted in this blog post on the New Humanist website. (As Jesus and Mo is some form of CC NonCommercial license, I didn't post it because blergh, copyright.)


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Ah, okay. Maybe the mention of it in the text could be made a little clearer?


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American pop star Whitney Houston dies at 48

February 12, 2012

American pop star was found dead Saturday at the  according to the. She was 48 years old. Houston's most famous songs included ', ' and . She was known for her tumultuous marriage to fellow singer and her public battles with drug and alcohol abuse.

Paramedics and police responded to a 9-1-1 call and came to Houston's room at the Beverly Hilton. She was found unresponsive and unconscious. They attempted to perform CPR but were unable to revive her. She was pronounced dead at 3:55 pm local time (2355 UTC). There were no immediate signs that foul play was involved.

Houston's substance abuse problems came into public view after a 2002 interview with ABC News reporter. After a recent arrest at a Hawaiian airport, Houston went into detail about her drugs of choice. However, she said that she drew the line at crack cocaine saying, "Crack is cheap. I make too much money to ever smoke crack. Let's get that straight. OK? We don't do crack. We don't do that. Crack is wack."

Houston is survived by her only daughter Bobbi Kristina.


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Talk:Anti-ACTA activists protest across Europe

Review of revision 1402537 [Passed]

 * Thanks, I wasn't so much interested in the story being about who has ratified what, but about yesterday's protests. Given the confusing nature of this, I'm tempted to email some questions to someone more involved in advocating for or against ACTA to see if we can get them clarified. Thanks for publishing. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

 * That could make for some interesting OR.

 * This article is focused on the protests, but the protests are focused on the adoption process, which is why one just can't write about this stuff without getting tangled in adoption esoterica. The moral, perhaps, being that if we had a really solid article about the process, we could refer to it thereafter to untangle things.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:34, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


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User talk:TucsonDavid

 Click here to append a message to my talk page. Remember to sign your posts by adding four tildes ( ~ . ) at the end. Yes, even if you're not a logged in user.

-- 07:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius charged with the murder of his girlfriend
I've reviewed Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius charged with the murder of his girlfriend. Please carefully read the comments, figure out how to address them and look at some of the changes I have made. This is the second story I've seen submitted by you where WHEN is not answered. The first paragraph should always answer: who, what, where, WHEN, and why this is news. Beyond that, you have a tendency to use passive voice instead of active voice. Please consider using active voice. Please also consider adding categories yourself. This makes it easier to review as the reviewer does not need add them. Please also learn how to link to Wikipedia articles better. On this project, the easiest way to do that is. --LauraHale (talk) 16:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Following your revisions in response to Laura's review, I've reviewed the article again, carrying the review process further. See my review comments.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Perspective
Regarding Laura's question about the different between review on Wikinews versus Wikipedia, besides the timeframe there are also
 * big differences in the policies/guidelines/what-have-you that have to be applied before sighting something, and
 * vast differences in the consequences of sighting something (in mainspace). Seriously.  When we publish something, it's pushed to Google News, and it's irrevocably out there.

Btw, I really would have reviewed your article already today (it's not impossible I might get to it this evening), but alas I've got some sort of low-level illness today, and the one thing it's managed to do is sap all my energy. Sorry about that. --Pi zero (talk) 22:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Review assistance
I am currently at a ski area working on things for IPC_Alpine_Ski_World_Championships and so my ability to review and time to review are pretty limited. If I am doing reviews at the moment, I am probably looking for articles with major stumbling blocks to mark as not ready. (Is your picture correctl tagged? Is it in categories?  Do you have two or sources?  Is it written in inverted pyarmid style?  Is it neutral?  Does the lead and who what where when and why this is news? )  Hence, not the best reviewer at the moment. We should be doing interviews in the next few days and if you want to assist in transcribing those, that would be really fantastic --LauraHale (talk) 05:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I will be more then willing to help you transcribe the interviews. TucsonDavid U . S .A . 15:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

McCready article
It's not ready yet (even though you ready'd it).....stay with it, though!! You'll catch on to the style here. Sentences have to be tight, punchy, news-like. Keep at it!! --Bddpaux (talk) 14:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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User:Bahraini Activist/Bahraini uprising overview

Bahrain is a tiny island that sits in the, between Saudi Arabia and Qatar. It's ruled by the Sunni since 1783 when they. Bahrain has a majority who have long complained of receiving poor treatment in employment, housing, and infrastructure, while Sunnis have preferential status. The ruling family doesn't trust Shia enough; they are blocked from serving in important political and military posts. Instead The Bahraini government has reportedly imported Sunnis from Pakistan and Syria in an attempt to increase the Sunni percentage.

As part of the revolutionary wave of protests in the Middle East and North Africa duped, the uprising erupted in Bahrain last year on 14 February after calling for a 'Day of Rage'.

The uprising erupted in Bahrain last year on 14 February after calling for a 'Day of Rage' demanding political reforms. Protests were met with repression killing at least six, and after failing to quell protests, Government of Bahrain requested military help from countries which arrived on 14 March 2011. The government response has been described as a "brutal" crackdown on peaceful and unarmed protesters. Since then, clashes continue to occur almost daily in the island kingdom, but mostly in areas outside the Manama's business districts with some rare marches in the center of the capital city. According to, 63 people have died since the start of the uprising including 14 deaths as a result of suffocation with tear gas. Last year five detainees were tortured to death, an independent commission of inquiry appointed by King Hamad found.


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Opposition calls for mass protests in Bahrain

February 15, 2012

In Bahrain, tension is building between the opposition protesters who want to revive last year's marches, and government authorities who are trying to maintain control over protest activities. A planned march by the to Manama's former, to mark the beginning of last year's protests, was overwhelmed by the security surrounding the site on the eve of the anniversary as well as the day itself.

Since the in 2011, the roundabout became a touchstone of opposition. Authorities responded by clearing the site and renaming it al-Farouq Junction. Whilst initially blocked to traffic to prevent any more protests, Bahrain's police now occupy the area and are demonstrably equipped to repel opposition.

Clashes around the site between security forces and Bahraini youth took place Monday as one of the largest crowds yet moved close to the symbol of last year's protest movement. Again, on Tuesday, crowds were repelled from Pearl Roundabout with police using tear-gas and arresting protesters throughout the city. Security forces also detained six U.S. citizens who took part in the protests; the activists, who entered the country on tourist visas, agreed to leave the country without charges being pressed.

With activists and political parties called for mass protests a few days prior to the one-year anniversary, the government now says it may bring charges against organizers for encouraging the disorder.

, a prominent human rights activist in Bahrain, announced his intention to take part in marches to the Pearl Roundabout. He led several hundred pro-democracy activists in Manama's old market area before suddenly marching towards the Pearl Roundabout. The protest ended a few hundred meters away from the roundabout with police firing tear gas and stun grenades after using megaphones to warn protesters the march was unauthorised and they should disperse. Two women from US-based rights group Witness Bahrain taking part in Sunday's march were arrested and deported.

Five opposition political groups headed by, Bahrain's largest political opposition party, organized an authorized sit-in in a yard, dubbed 'Freedom Square', in Al Muqsha village outside of Manama. This is the same location as the opposition's week-long 'sit-in' for political reforms. At that sit-in last week, Ayat al-Qormozi, a Bahraini female poet and visible leader in the opposition movement, called for the crowd in Al Muqsha to march to the symbolic roundabout and chanted, "We will return. We will return."

Most clashes between police and protesters occurred in the neighborhoods. About 70 percent of Bahrainis are Shia and they form the base of the youth activists and Al-Wefaq protesters.

The have organized counter-demonstrations in support of the ruling. They control the government's cabinet, and are also Sunni. The formation of the cabinet is one of the key debates between the opposition Al Wefaq and the Sunni minority in country. Al Wefaq wants elected politicians to name the cabinet, whilst the Sunnis prefer the royal family to retain that power.

In an interview with , King denied that there was an opposition in his country similar to those in Western nations but accepted that there are "people with different views."


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Indian economist is among nine scholars to receive the US  tomorrow. No other Indians have received the medal in the sixteen years since it was introduced.

A White House citation noted "his insights into the causes of poverty, famine, and injustice" and claimed "by applying philosophical thinking to questions of policy, he has changed how standards of living are measured and increased our understanding of how to fight hunger."

A 1998 laureate, Sen is currently 's professor of Economics and Philosophy. Other new awardees include, , , , , , and Ramon Saldivar.

Scholars of Indian origin have won National Medals in Science and Engineering but not in Humanities. Introduced in 1996, the medal is awarded to "those individuals or groups whose work has deepened the nation's understanding of the humanities," says the White House.


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Talk:Opposition calls for mass protests in Bahrain

Sources I used:

 * February 14 Youth Coalition calls for gathering in front of houses on Monday.
 * February 14 Youth Coalition plans for protests starting from 12 to 15 February.
 * Nabeel Rajab announces he will be heading to Pearl Roundabout on 12 February.
 * Opposition parties call for night sit in on 12 February.
 * Opposition parties call for march on 13 February afternoon.
 * Opposition parties call protesters to chant "Allah Akbar" for 3 nights preceding 14 February.
 * Tens of thousands participate in opposition parties march on last Friday . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bahraini Activist (talk • contribs)

Is this original reporting, or just a very large number of sources? (I do regret that I'm unable to do another in-depth review right at this moment; I'm probably able to do about two in-depth reviews a day on average, which is a lot as a workload, but can feel woefully inadequate when I see articles waiting on the review queue.) --Pi zero (talk) 03:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
The lead might be sharpened a bit to show the overall conflict and allow the reader to step into the details; say something along the lines of: "In Bahrain, tension is building between opposition protesters who want to revive last year's marches and government authorities who are trying to maintain control over protest activities." Just a suggestion. Crtew (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Category
I'm hesistant to make the following change because I'm not sure if I will mess up the RSS feed on the Category page: Wikipedia changed the article name "2011 Bahraini protests" (currently a redirect) to "2011–2012 Bahraini uprising". Since the protests are still going on, I would suggest that Wikinews also update the category to be up to date and accurate in its categorization. Crtew (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Feb 15
I can't find Feb. 15 in any of the articles, but I don't know Arabic and so I'm not sure if the creator of the article meant for that to be a summary of those (original template), and I'm not sure what those articles are the basis for here in the text.Crtew (talk) 23:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Rooftop protests
I can't find this fact in any of the articles and so I'm assuming those also came from documents. I can't confirm that because they're in Arabic. Crtew (talk) 23:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Problems with verification
The status of this article is very muddled, with issues of what is OR, and how OR should be treated, getting tangled up with issues of dealing with foreign-language sources. So we've got two classes of awkward issues, and the two are awkwardly entangled. This is probably quite significant in the reason this article hasn't been reviewed before now — because reviewers are understandably discouraged from volunteering their labor to review an article if it raises thorny problems for review.

I don't think this is verifiable in its current state. Because I'm not sure how to write a simple set of instructions on how exactly to fix this problem, I'm going to try to explain the issues involved as best I can (and they are, as I say, thorny issues, so I'm not sure how well I'll explain them). I hope other reviewers can provide input on this; even above and beyond the fate of this particular article, the community needs (imho) to clarify these issues.

Part of reviewing an article is verifying that all information in the article, except really obvious stuff like "Manama is in Bahrain", is confirmed from the sources. --Pi zero (talk) 17:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OR is a possible source for some of the information, but that doesn't let the reviewer or the author off the hook on verification. We require that the author provide 'detailed reporter's notes', and the reviewer uses those to verify.  At stake, then, is both whether the article is accurate in its reporting of information from the reporter's notes, and whether there is any information in the article that is actually not from the OR nor from any non-OR sources listed (and doesn't qualify as obvious).  This is why it is never sufficient for OR notes to say something like "I talked to him on the phone, and anything in the article that isn't from the listed sources is something he told me on the phone" — we'd never know about either kind of error (mis-reporting, or extraneous material).
 * I'm also not at all sure this qualifies as OR; it looks like a large number of non-English sources.
 * Many sources make for a lot of work for the reviewer (who has to read them all), and so when an article has many sources it is good to leave notes for the reviewer saying what comes from where, either as notes on the article talk page or as <!--comments--> in the article text.
 * Foreign-language sources are a problem we continually wrestle with. We get synthesis articles with foreign sources from time to time.  The trouble is that unless the reviewer can actually read the language of the sources, automatic translation often isn't nearly adequate (we're acutely aware here of just how awful automatic translation really is).  We officially disallow gratuitous non-English sources — if there are English sources, we say, use them.  I limped through a review a while back with some Czech sources, but they were used only for quotes, and I was able to identify the quotes in the sources and document it all; I didn't have to verify subtleties of meaning from those sources.  The provided translations of the quotes, which were all very plausible based on their poor automatic translations, were in effect a sort of OR-ish input provided by the author.
 * Here, I've got a big pile of facts that I didn't manage to find in the listed English sources (I highlighted less than half the article text when going through them), and there seems to be a lot of detailed information that would have to be extracted from the non-English sources. Without more detailed notes (if not passage translations) to guide me through it, I doubt my ability to figure out what is or isn't verifiable based on automatic translations.
 * Per Pi zero's remarks, non-English sources are really challenging to review. We can put them into various online translation services, but those are by-and-large dreadful. Highlighting what detail is taken from a non-English source, then providing a better translation which the automated translation service mostly verifies is about the best I can suggest on this. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. Removed the OR tag that had been placed on the article. 2) Deleted paragraphs where I couldn't verify the information based on the sources given. 3) Eliminated one source that seemed irrelevant or had information repeated in the other articles. 4) Updated the story with most recent developments. 5) Documented the changes and references for the reviewer with comment tags.Crtew (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

"American"
Just past the halfway mark on copyediting. Few points to raise:
 * Is the photo from Reuters? The inline comment is confusing regarding this.
 * There must be at least a dozen nationalities who can call themselves "American".
 * Who agreed what regarding the six Americans leaving? Were they deported, or what?

I'm bringing these up prior to moving on to reading the sources as they could-well involve sufficient alteration of the article to disqualify me from passing it. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


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User talk:Uğur Oban

-- 14:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Uğur Oban


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User talk:Султанова Сумбула

-- 14:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Султанова Сумбула


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User talk:Cyanude

-- 14:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Cyanude


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User talk:O,O Oğuzhan

-- 14:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:O,O Oğuzhan


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User talk:Kutiekins43

-- 14:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kutiekins43


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User talk:Shfyip

-- 14:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Shfyip


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User talk:Downunder112

-- 14:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Downunder112


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User talk:Supersuchtbrain

-- 14:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Supersuchtbrain


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User talk:Kulix70

-- 14:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Kulix70


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User talk:Frederick107

-- 14:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Frederick107


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User talk:Etnopollino

-- 14:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Etnopollino


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User talk:Chipules

-- 14:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Chipules


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User talk:Hızır Aydın

-- 14:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hızır Aydın


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User talk:Notarc

-- 14:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Notarc


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User talk:Sagnik Jana

-- 14:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sagnik Jana


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User talk:Iem00

-- 14:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Iem00


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User talk:JarekDaszkiewicz

-- 14:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:JarekDaszkiewicz


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User talk:SuKhDug

-- 14:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:SuKhDug


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User talk:Arsyaad

-- 14:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Arsyaad


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User talk:Alpha42223

-- 14:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Alpha42223


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User talk:Myna times (XiX)

-- 14:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Myna times (XiX)


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User talk:Sude1

-- 15:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sude1


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User talk:Schlumpfgott

-- 15:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Schlumpfgott


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User talk:Jamesholden

-- 15:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jamesholden


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User talk:Adolek17

-- 15:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Adolek17


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User talk:Hanshow

-- 15:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Hanshow


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User talk:Ppoppers

-- 15:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ppoppers


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User talk:BAYRAM382010

-- 15:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:BAYRAM382010


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User talk:Dawn Ford

-- 15:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dawn Ford


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User talk:Šelechaŭ

-- 15:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Šelechaŭ


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User talk:Maxgat88

-- 15:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Maxgat88


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User talk:Влюбленный :3

-- 15:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Влюбленный :3


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User talk:EleeH

-- 15:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:EleeH


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Thread:Comments:'Stop being so damn respectful' say free speech supporters in London/"unlike Islamic scholars, a true 'scholar' studies more than one book"

This joke by Dawkins somewhat annoyed me. Quick search in Google or Wikipedia would disprove this and make it a silly joke, so why make it in the first place? Don't Atheists, secularists and supporters of free speech know this bit about Islam? Perhaps the whole point is to 'offend' those who we disagree with? Anyone with answers?


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User talk:Toula kots

-- 15:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Toula kots


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User talk:Singer1993

-- 15:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Singer1993


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User talk:Ryugos0824

-- 15:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Ryugos0824


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User talk:Dopatka

-- 15:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dopatka


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User talk:July.nom

-- 15:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:July.nom


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User talk:Nio152

-- 15:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Nio152


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User talk:Chutich.nom

-- 15:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Chutich.nom


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User talk:Pankajgarg5283

-- 15:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Pankajgarg5283


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User talk:Barry510

-- 15:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Barry510


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User talk:Mohamad lio

-- 15:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mohamad lio