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Major League baseball player Manny Ramirez receives 50-game ban

May 7, 2009 Major League Baseball player Manny Ramirez of the Los Angeles Dodgers, has stated that he has been tested positive for a banned substance. As a result, he will be benched for 50 games.

The baseball players' union stated, Ramirez said the positive test resulted from a medication prescribed by a doctor, and not from a steroid. Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension.

Said Ramirez: "Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons."

Ramirez is the biggest star player to test positive for drugs since Rafael Palmeiro, and the first major star to be suspended under baseball's stricter drug-testing rules.

Ramirez is reported to lose at least 31% of his US$25-million salary as a result of the suspension. He will be allowed to resume playing baseball on July 3, 2009.


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US automaker GM reports losses of $6 billion

May 7, 2009

United States automobile company General Motors announced it has lost US$6 billion in the first quarter of 2009, amidst heavy declines in revenues. Not including special items, the firm said it had lost a net $5.9 billion dollars, or $9.66 per share.

In the first quarter of last year, GM had reported a loss of $381 million, or $0.67 per share. Most financial analysts had forecast the automaker's losses to be over $6.7 billion, or $11.05 per share. GM had also reported that it had spent $10.2 billion in an effort to prevent bankruptcy. The manufacturer has received over $15 billion in bailout money from the federal government.

The company has a deadline set at June 1 to draw up a restructuring plan. If it doesn't do so by then, it will be obliged to file for bankruptcy protection.

"We're focusing very much on the cost side of the business but once you start losing revenues you get into a vicious circle from which you can't recover," said Ray Young, the chief financial officer for GM.

"We continue to see a 60-80 percent chance of a GM bankruptcy. While the GM equity today is largely uninvestable, we increasingly believe GM may emerge substantially stronger from a bankruptcy - provided the Chapter 11 process is not overly drawn out - particularly given the scope of targeted dealer cuts," analyst Himanshu Patel said.


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These are wikinews articles in German which are related stories. SriMesh | talk  00:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Google translation: VW executive committees recommend that shareholders reject the Porsche takeover bid 12.05.07
 * German real article: VW-Führungsgremien empfehlen den Aktionären die Ablehnung des Porsche-Übernahmeangebots
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Comments:As many as 100 civilians die in Afghan raid

Whats really sad is that the U.S. government will try to cover it up. The news will not be released on any main stream media like CNN, for they would hate to show that the U.S. government kills people. No, they will wait for the news to slowly tikle out and maybe do an article in a week or two.
 * False, Captain Anonymous. It has been released. But what you fail to understand is that Americans won't care. We just won't. You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs. That's an old saying that applies to wars too. Anyway, if the Taliban hadn't attacked us, these civilians would still be alive, so hey, their fault. 206.74.5.136 04:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw a criminal near your house so I'm going to shoot at it and kill your family just to make sure he didn't get away. Great logic. --218.215.95.81 09:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, at least now you know how Soviets felt in Afghanistan, too. Speaking of "civilians" - yeah, they're all civilians, until you ask them for water to drink, and they give you poisoned water. Or you turn away from a kid, and he throws a grenade at you. Betcha those "women and children" were wives and kids of those Taliban mujahideen, too? And who's to blame if they hide behind their own dear ones in hope that Americans won't shoot at them then, for humanitarian reasons? 131.107.0.72 05:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yes being the relative of a criminal carries the death penalty now. --218.215.95.81 09:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The US still has no care for the lives of people in 3rd world countries. Some things never change. --218.215.95.81 09:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Cough Human Shields Cough.--66.229.26.39 (talk) 18:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Nazi's said that they weren't responsible for the deaths of citizens because the Partisan "terrorists" used "human shields"...Soapy (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Soapy you are the typical fool that believes Taliban propaganda and comparing Americans to Nazi (who went out of their way to kill innocent people) makes you double the fool.--KDP3 (talk) 18:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't compare the U.S to Nazi's at all, I merely pointed out how silly it is to accept the propagandistic term of "human shields", and you seem to want to deflect this argument by making it seem as though I am comparing the U.S to the Nazis.Soapy (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


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Manny being suspended for 50 games
I think that the MLB suspending Manny Ramirez of the L.A Dodgers is just not right, they did not suspend Barry Bonds when they found out that he was using steriods, the just let him beat the all time Homerun list, that list was decent witch had Hank Arron on the top, but having some one use steriods and break it is just bogus,. I think that every one is over reacting to Manny using a drug that he got suasricbed to him, it was behind the counter and his docter suscribed it to him, The Dodgers franchise had a couple things put in for Manny Ramirez, like Mannywood, witch let fans watch Manny from that game, and previous games, they took that down, but I think that they should put that back up. So my opinion on Manny being suspended is just wrong.—75.31.70.177 (talk) 06:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Stupid People: General Motors

They should focus on locomotives instead. Trains kick ass.


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Televangelist Pat Robertson compares same-sex marriage to child molestation, pedophilia

May 8, 2009

One day after Maine became the fifth state in the United States to legalize same-sex marriage and Washington, D.C. passed a bill to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, televangelist Pat Robertson condemned the act of marriage between individuals of the same sex. On Thursday, Robertson compared its legalization to pedophilia, polygamy and child molestation while hosting the television show The 700 Club on the Christian Broadcasting Network. During the broadcast Robertson asked "How can we rule that polygamy is illegal when you say that homosexual marriage is legal? What is it about polygamy that’s different? Well, polygamy was outlawed because it was considered immoral according to biblical standards. But if we take biblical standards away in homosexuality, what about the other? And what about bestiality and ultimately what about child molestation and pedophilia?"

Robertson then went on to query, "How can we criminalize these things and at the same time have constitutional amendments allowing same-sex marriage among homosexuals. You mark my words, this is just the beginning in a long downward slide in relation to all the things that we consider to be abhorrent."

Robertson's comments come after the Council of the District of Columbia voted in favor to recognize same-sex marriages performed anywhere outside the District. The measure passed the council 12 votes for with 1 against. Congress has 30 days post-signing to either let it stand or veto. D.C. is not a state and Congress has oversight of the Council.

"To say 'well, I support domestic partnership or I support civil union' as a way to say 'I'm not that big a bigot,' and that's what it is," said David Catania, an openly gay member of the D.C. council.

Robertson's comments have made headlines in the past. In August of 2005, Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, for which he apologized two days later. In January 2006, Robertson said that former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was "divine retribution" for pulling Israelis out of the Gaza Strip.


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Five biggest US banks told to raise $74.6 billion; fail "stress tests"

May 9, 2009 The five largest United States banks need a total of US$74.6 billion in extra funds to increase their cash reserves, according to so-called "stress tests" conducted by regulators to determine whether the banks have enough capital to survive the ongoing recession.

"Our hope with today's actions is that banks are going to be able to get back to the business of banking," said Timothy Geithner, the US Treasury Secretary.

The results of the stress-test determined that Bank of America was the bank most at risk, needing $33.9 billion. Wells Fargo will require an additional $13.7 billion, while GMAC needs $11.5 billion.

Seven other banks failed the "stress test", including: Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Regions Financial, SunTrust Banks, KeyCorp, Fifth Third Bancorp, and PNC Financial Services.

Nine other banks that underwent stress tests, such as Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of New York Mellon, MetLife, American Express, State Street, BB&T, US Bancorp and Capital One Financial, were found to have enough capital in case the recession deepens.

Those banks that need extra money will be set a June 8 deadline to draw up their plans to raise the additional capital and have regulators approve them.


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Pat Robertson being a homophobic moron who spouts utter bullshit is absolutely nothing new. He's been doing it for over 20 years. This should have failed on newsworthiness. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


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Are there no hate-speech laws in the U.S.?
I suppose I should probably take a step back and calm down before responding to this story, more particularly to Mr. Robertson (I don't consider him a minister of anything, except the Church of Nasty). After all, consider the source. Isn't this the same man who predicted that both coasts of the U.S. would be lashed by hurricanes and tsunamis - as payback from "god" for its licentiousness? (BTW, "licentiousness" is simply evangelical Christian code for "you've got homosexuals and haven't yet put them to death"). And look what happened.... nothing. What the man can't seem to understand (mostly because he doesn't want to) is that there are legitimate social reasons for avoiding multiple wives (many men can't/won't support their first family on breakup, let alone multiple ones - older multiple wives are simply neglected more and more as time goes on) but that there are legitimate benefits to society as a whole in recognizing a right to marry in gay men and lesbians. However, if you consider gay sex to be evil, filthy, sinful etc. you can't possibly believe that gay people should be treated equally as humans. Another response would be that throughout the Bible men DID have multiple wives. If our legal system truly were based solely on Judeo-Christian scripture, polygamy would always have remained legal. What these people don't get is that the Bible and religion are forms of social engineering. Whereas polygamy might have been okay in the distant past, the social ills which grew from it, and the lack of need for it over time, meant that it became socially unacceptable and religion began proscribing it. Similarly, as humanity grew to better understand scientifically what constituted sexuality, it grew to realize that its treatment of its gay/lesbian members was nothing short of barbaric. The law responded to that new awareness with more and more laws to protect gay men and lesbians from discrimination. What Robertson fails to see is that even values set out in his over 2000 year old fabrication, the Bible, changed during the course of its creation. He is a hypocrite of the first water (in the Old Testament, hypocrites were to be stoned) He cherry-picks values from the Bible and claims them to be invariable. He conveniently forgets that that same book forbade divorced people from re-marrying. I think if the general population of the U.S. were to be told that they would not be allowed to marry because they'd previously been married, there would be outrage at the imposition of Biblical values on modern law. Same-sex marriage is a human rights issue, plain and simple. You are not a whole person, with the same value and dignity, worthy of the same respect, if your relationships are automatically disqualified from public recognition through marriage. Separate but equal - is not equal. And here I'd thought we'd gotten away from comparing gay men and lesbians to pedophiles, polygamists and murderers. Silly me.24.85.234.200 03:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is really nothing new. Pat Robertson condemns homosexuality quite frequently -- both on and off The 700 Club. I'm actually not sure how this is newsworthy in the first place, but I've noticed we're getting a lot of fluff and filler on WikiNews lately.

 * To address the article, the assertion that legalizing same-sex marriage will lead to support for polygamous marriages, bestiality and so forth is just a slippery-slope. If someone is opposed to same-sex marriage for moral reasons, then fine. That's their prerogative. This isn't valid reasoning for influencing legisation on the matter, though. Unfortunately, The 700 Club is Pat Robertson's personal propaganda arm, and he does use it to instill fear and moral panic about these issues.

 * I think the most sensible thing is to rethink the federal definition of what marriage is. Is it a religious institution? Then do away with it altogether, per separation of church and state. Churches should mandate marriages on a case-per-case basis, and the state should recognize any form of union -- in legal terms -- as a civil union. Equal benefits would be allocated by the state, and you could call your "union" whatever you like. People who consider marriage a religious institution should have no problem with this, because the state itself need not sanction your union with any specific term -- your union is still a holy matrimony in the eyes of God. (or whatever you believe in) If you believe that same-sex unions aren't sanctioned by your religious beliefs, then no harm done by allowing people to humor themselves. Your god(s) will sort them out. In the meantime, live and let live. 70.153.105.237 03:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Live and let live? You mean live and let die. And I agree with that. You don't need to get married if you're dead. And no, America has no hatespeech laws. And if we did, they certainly wouldn't apply to anti-gay speech, given the national pulse on homosexuality. 206.74.5.136 04:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * None of that made any coherent sense. Please rephrase the paragraph. 70.153.105.237 06:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How did you escape from Conservapedia? Fie fie daemon and back to your hole. --218.215.95.81 08:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So basically what you're saying there is that hate crimes against blacks in highly racist areas of the country aren't hate crimes because the general feeling around there is that it SHOULD happen to them? Great argument --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Aw poor Pat, soon all his man-friends will be married and he won't be able to fist them. I assume that's why he's angry at the polygamy part to. --218.215.95.81 08:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Now, now, calm down with the flaming.

Mr. Robertson you make me angry, with your closed minded-ness. Please stop. :)

Answer: No there are no hate-speech laws in the U.S. Unlike many other nations, we actually have free speech here. --SVTCobra 01:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're correct, but there is an exception for hate-speech in the workplace. (or public education) Employers can be penalized for allowing their workers to continually harass co-workers, or create an intimidating work environment. Same goes for teachers and their students. Arguably, defamation also applies to hate-speech to some degree. Verbally harassing an officer of the law would also hold consequences. Otherwise, the First Amendment explicitly forbids restricting "free speech." 70.153.112.28 (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Except when it comes to protesting Republicans, then you don't have free speach. :P Sorry, you just gave me a good opening.--Shaoken (talk) 01:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How so? I don't remember DailyKos being shut down. --SVTCobra 01:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

polygamy
Erm, what exactly is the difference in motivation between polygamy and gay marriage being outlawed. If 3 consenting adults want to be married why not let them?--77.99.143.87 09:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it too much, it's just a bit of eye-watering logic, easily destroyed.

He attempts to relate fundamentally different structures using irrational biblical standards.

Polygamy would actually be fine, as long as there was parity, i.e. both males and females could engage in polygamy equally. There would be no victims and no one (inherently) capable of abusing another. Since polygamy is traditionally male-dominant, it generates inherent inequality and potential for abuse.

Bestiality probably generates victims and a clearly identifiable "angle of abuse" since it is difficult to determine an animal's consent or ability to understand what's going on. In addition there may be injury which the animal, again, has no ability or method by which to either allow or disallow. Same with child molestation, except there is a higher degree of certainty that it is abuse, with clear levels of inequality and potential for harm.

Homosexuality is utterly victimless and therefore unrelated to the topic.

92.30.31.176 12:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't follow you on male-dominated polygamy somehow being a model for a high possibility of abuse and automatically a bastion of inequality. If there was one female and two males, (assuming we're going three) how does this change make it more equal? As for abuse, that's biased against men in general, because of stupid double-standards. For example, I can't punch my girlfriend the fuck out if she punches me without being a pariah for "hitting a girl."

 * As for the article itself, the thought pattern this dude has can basically be compared to using a firehose to rinse a dinner plate off. Even if there were something wrong with being homosexual, you could always explain why instead of blasting it, and the rest of the kitchen sink area, with some broad strawman argument and hope the fence sitters would finally lean over to your side. This is also to give some smug satisfaction to all of those crazy for Jesus. Basically, this makes it okay to hate gays all over again because they're not allowed in the bible, just like pedophiles who EVERYONE hates without question. Though rape is okay, as long as you pay money to the chick's family and make her your wife. Really, whenever you see a preacher preaching, how many times is he doing it to people who aren't fans of Jesus? I have yet to see a bunch of atheists, Heathens, Jews and/or agnostics gathered around at the edge of their seats in anticipation of what will happen next in the story. Everything said, here, isn't to reach out to gays or really lawmakers or even gay lawmakers. It's to tell the Christian community, "hey, at least ur not gay and god loves u."--64.90.84.103 (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Up to his old tricks!
God, I love this guy. He never ceases to bring the LOLz.

Pat Robertson said that doomsday was gonna happen in 1982, and if you compiled of list of all the dumb-ass trash he's talked over the years, it would probably be thicker than teh Bible.

I wanna start a betting pool: How long 'til he's discovered to be secretly a raging homo, or hooked on a bunch of painkillers?

Pat.
Pat Robertson is a Christian who believes the Bible is the ultimate truth in this world. Quit freaking out every time he confirms that belief. The whole head line of this article is meant to incite disgust in someone who glances at it. I thought journalists were supposed to be impartial.
 * Just like the entirety of the LGBT rights movement incites disgust in people like Pat Robertson? He's more than welcome to voice his opinions, (or religious beliefs) but he does so purely with the intention of discouraging other people. Pat Robertson is just as derogatory as you accuse this very article of being, yet you side with him and accuse us of being biased. Typical fanatical reasoning. 70.153.112.28 (talk) 14:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't same sex marriage against nature?
I think that many laws have biblical or at least natural law basis. Without these laws we could not build successful society, neither civilization. Why shall we abandon these laws now?
 * Quite simply because we can work with laws without appealing to some fairytale figure in the sky. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The U.S. is a [secular state]. I disagree that many laws are based on biblical principles, or that these principles are even fundamental to a society's development. That assertion is grossly ignorant of other cultures and developed countries that don't embrace Abrahamic beliefs. 70.153.124.194 (talk) 15:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Addendum Also, [appealing to nature] is a fallacy of relevance. You're implying that nature and morality are mutually exclusive when they are not. 70.153.124.194 (talk) 15:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Who died and made Pat Robertson the dictator. As a openly straight person I support human rights and personal choice.


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Over 13,500 evacuated after wildfire in California

May 8, 2009 The recent wildfires in Santa Barbara County, California, have burned more than 1,300 acres (2.03-square mile) of land between Tuesday and Thursday. Over 20 homes were destroyed, 5,400 homes abandoned and more than 13,500 residents were evacuated.

Of the 1,400 firefighters tending the blaze, ten firefighters have been injured, three seriously. "There maybe should have been hundreds of homes lost due to the amount of fuel in that canyon and the 70 mph winds," Santa Barbara County Fire Chief Tom Franklin said. "There was some real effort made on that fire front and some real saves that the firefighters made out there."

"Sundowner winds really pick up after sundown and they can just wreak havoc," said a spokeswoman for the Santa Barbara County emergency operations center.

Near Sierra Vista, Arizona, another fire has taken three homes, critically injured one person and destroyed 4,000 acres. It is 30% under control.

Santa Barbara has just recovered from the Montecito Tea Fire, which took 210 homes in the fall of 2008. 2008 also saw the Sayre Fire, Chino Hills and the Triangle Complex Fire in California.


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Fascism
Fascism, plain and simple. The day when I can't raise my children to have the same values I have is the day that Lincoln, Churchill, and Santorum hide their faces in shame at what has been wrought despite their best efforts. "A boot, crushing a face, for eternity" indeed. 206.74.5.136 05:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * If you deny your children proper medical care, your children won't live to have values... --Killing Vector (talk) 06:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Also, "Lincoln, Churchill, and Santorum"? One of these things does not belong, one of these things just isn't the same... --Killing Vector (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lulz. Mike Halterman (talk) 18:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What the hell does using a quack form of medicine have to do with 'values'.? --Brian McNeil / talk 06:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Way to misuse a quote from 1984. Also you do not have the right to deny your children medical care. --218.215.95.81 09:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Children have a right to live. You have a responsibility to look after your children as they can't look after themselves, while you can bring them up to believe whatever you want, you cannot neglect their safety like this!--77.99.143.87 09:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * This could start an ugly smackdown and is forcing me to reconsider whether parents should have full authority in their children's upbringing. If cases like this (and the octomom publicity stunt) happen more often, I cannot deny further legislative oversight on the matter. (and people will start crying about their loss of liberties, because of a few REALLY stupid and self-centered parents.) Kushal one (talk) 16:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

on Fascism
Yes, those fascist parents should hide their faces in shame for crushing this innocent Human's right to a happy life with their eternal boot of selfish navel gazing 'values'. Unfortunately too often have I had encounters with people of these attitudes - they are beyond reason - a walking example of why there should be some kind of system of qualification for breeding!

As for homeopathy itself, I recently had a discussion that illustrates the mental gymnastics these people perform in their heads: after a long and painful series of arguments about the absurdity of the whole concept and the nature of reality itself - I finally suggested that perhaps the proponent of homeopathy should at least be careful since advising someone is also taking responsibility for their health, their life! Since this did not compute in itself, I further illustrated my point by providing an example: what if one day you meet your friend who complains of flu and headache and a stiff neck, and you offer them some combination of homeopathic remedies, aural field-therapy and a relaxing incense bath. After the treatment they go home and turn up dead next morning with a post-mortem of acute meningitis. How would you feel than? The person responded by saying that of course she would be careful and not give such advice if she suspected something serious. Wow! so homeopathy doesn't work on something 'serious' than? And how can she tell, she has no medical training - she's basically just peddling various dilutions of water and alcohol according to mostly inconsistent and arbitrary set of rules - of which there in no statistical evidence they have any validity to reality. Yet, it has never occurred to her that she might actually be endangering someone's life with that nonsense.

People, when you even talk about 'alternative medicines' with someone, beware! You are taking their life into your hands. I don't go advising people on how to parboil a Gyromitra because I read some fashionable new-age books about it and took a course at the spirit festival. I take my responsibility of other peoples lives seriously and so should you. There maybe many valid critiques of the so-called conventional medicine, but that does not make righteous navel gazing a solution to all our problems - you still need to deal with the reality - and you still need to bear the responsibility for the consequences of your actions! Sincerely --Ransu (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * My opinion is that this author is opinionated.

 * Wow! Show me a person who cannot or does not want to express an opinion and stand by it and provide rational reasoning to back it up - and I will show you a person who uses words like 'opinionated' (what does that even mean!?) and does not dare to sign his comments! This is 'a comments' section for a news section of wikipedia - not a scientific journal - you're supposed express opinions here! Don't you have 'opions' on matters? I mean, I would understand if you dont have opinions on the curvature of compressor wings inside turbine engines - if you had, one would assume you to have some expertise on that field. However we are talking about real everyday life here - of which every person here has experience of - getting sick - going to the doctor - dealing with it. And a tragic death like this - with these circumstances - what kind of human are you if you can't or won't express an opinion, a reaction to that, but go on to scorn others who do?

 * But I think you do have an opinion on the matter - an opinion that you are afraid to voice - since that would expose it to scrutany, doubt - and you would have to rationlize it - and worst of all, perhaps compromise on it, change it - opinions like that aren't opinions - they are beliefs - dogmas - like those of the parents whose dogma led to the tragic death of an innocent child. That's why I don't hold on to my opinions, nor do I respect others opinions - I challenge them, everyone should - in a world where you cannot express and challenge an opinons - thats fascism! --Ransu (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

bad precedent
In my opinion, not charging the parents based on "cultural differences" would set up a very bad precedent. — Kushal one (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I feel so sorry for the parents who are grieving the loss of their child! What those parents must be going through and for the media to pick apart their belief is uncalled for. As much as we want to believe conventional medicine is the only medicine out there it is NOT! There are alternatives and considering the father is schooled in Homeopathy (which has been known to be safe and effective) then I see no reason for the media to jump all over this form of medicine and call it a "placebo effect". Do the research, throughout the years Homeopathy has been more effective then conventional medicine let's start with the the pandemic of influenza of 1912. The stats are there. The fact remains that the child was sick and given the conventional or alternative medicine the outcome would probably be the same. Are we a society that accuse alternative medicines because it didn't work??? Do we write article like this every time conventional medicine doesn't work?? We don't, because there would not be enough space to write about all the tragedies that occur from conventional medicine. Doctors "screw" up constantly and 10% of it is documented in the media. Alternatives don't work and it is 90% documented. Interesting!! This was a tragedy that occured and I am positive the parents will be questioning everything they did...Do we need the public and the media to help them? I think they are in their own world of pain and don't need any more help...

 * Are you unable to even read the text of the article? It's right there in plain words: "Gloria temporarily improved during the rare times they used conventional treatments, but they soon dropped them in favour of homeopathy, and she got worse again".

Of course, the fact that homeopathy is bollocks is a well-established fact, too. No scientific study so far, by health authority in any country, had found any observable effect from its use. This is the matter of life for everyone except for some deluded new-ageists and the like hanging around their own. 207.216.69.186 (talk) 00:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Hey, there are 'altervatives' to every subject under the sun - bungee jumping without a rope for example - so that isn't an argument in itself. We have a responsibility towards ourselves and our fellow men to follow some sort of common criteria on what is reasonable, safe, effective - and what is just quackery. See the article on homeopathy on the subject.

 * If you want to argue about the placebo effect or the influenza pandemic of 1912, why don't you present your evidence and statistics you refer to for the rest of us also? Making claim on evidence you withold is called lying.

 * Now the line about 'doctors screw up all the time' and 'conventional medicine does not work' is a very typical line given by proponents of homeopathy. Apart from the fact that those arguments in no way validate homeopathy's effectiveness (just like they don't validate standing on your head or jumping up and down as cures to cancer), they are actually false also. Conventional medicine has an excellent track record, with decades of statistics on the exact effectiveness on large varying populations and environmental conditions. Biology, chemistry and physics are the most successful systems of thought people have ever made. They are internally consistant, predictive and verifyable. This means you can trust them, make predictions based on them, and verify that they work afterwards.

 * Homeopathy, like most so-called alternative treatments are none of these. They are vague, internally inconsistent, and therefore wildly non-predictive. Because the reasoning behind the system is absurd, based on mumbojumbo verifying is very difficult. However what we can measure is the actual end effect. All studies (see homeopathy) using the double blind test to see if homepathy has any health effect against placebo have shown no statistically significat effect on the health of the patient.

 * The placebo effect has very strong effects, both cognitive and actual physical effects. It has been shown that a placebo does have 'the power of suggestion' ie. there are some psyco-somatic mechanisms that have also physical effects. Happy people (who think they have been given the cure) recover better than a control group. This effect explains (according to occams razor) all the statistical effects seen in the double blind studies of all the alternative medicines which are considered as quakery.

 * Human psychology further confuses people who get involved with alternative medicine. They are initially seeking some hope, possibly for their ailment, and end up finding positive reassurance anywhere for it (humans are basically hopeful creatures, easily duped). Any 'failures' in conventional medicine are taken as proof of the failure of the whole of conventional medicine - and reversely, proof of how all the alternatives 'must' be better (anything must be better than a failed system). Any apparent, anecdotal, romoured cases which tend to support the case of the alternative medicine, are taken onboard uncriticially, without scrutany and doubt, and rightously declared as the proof that the system works. Similar to a gambler who believes he has 'found a system' that works even if you show him that it is mathematically impossible.

 * So the signs of a homeopathy or any other alternative medicine proponent are: 1. they accept all positive evidence uncritically and ignore contrary evidence. 2. they refuse or ignore discussion about details of studies and methods of how effectiveness of medicine is determined 3. they make claims about the failure of conventional medicine based on individual cases, while ignoring the overall health effect for the whole population, or analyse why these failures occured (malpractice because of an accident, incompetent, greed or a doctors missprint aren't proofs of the failure of conventional medicine but are very likely statistically to occur within a large number of cases - the 99.5% of cases where there has been none of these are ignored and not mentioned.

 * Also, if you make serious claims like that, you should at least sign your comments. --Ransu (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Weasel Words
"a form of alternative medicine widely regarded as quackery" From Wiki widely regarded as garbage 98.208.24.188 17:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)--

Seems heavy handed and biased against homeopathy; detours from the content of this story with it's criticism.

 * Nice demonstration of the concept of weasel words. Homeopathy has been demonstrated to be 'widely held as quackery' (see reference in article on homeopathy), whereas your characterisation of wikipedia as 'garbage' is a claim you provide very little evidence - perhaps its because someone's little dogma has been hurt by this incident. People who defend homeopathy have blood on their hands!

 * As for 'biased against homeopathy' - more like reality is biased against your beliefs - gravity is biased against object with a mass around earth - perhaps we should censor the law of gravity too? --Ransu (talk) 18:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well said. Voice of All (talk) 02:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

 * The wording has been unweaseled since 98.208.24.188's comment. However, the proper attribution has made it no less damning. Homeopathy remains a dangerous pseudoscience. --SVTCobra 02:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Well to bad.
"Speaking in the parents' defense, Tom Molomby, SC, said that, as the parents came from India, where homeopathy is in common use, they should be declared not guilty due to cultural differences." When you're child life is threaten and what you are doing is not working its time to listen too the doctors.--KDP3 (talk) 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 * It's a very convenient thing, that cultural difference. "Your Honor, I've murdered my wife because we have cultural differences, see, and we have this thing called 'honor killing', so I thought it's okay". "Your Honor, I've cut my daughter clitoris off, because that's what we always do in Africa - it's, like, cultural". 207.216.69.186 (talk) 00:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Negative stigma
Let us not forget that homeopathy was not the killer here. Stubborn, illogical parents were. I wish the whole story was told, like what treatments were available through conventional medicine, or what treatments they tried on the baby. I'm not trying to justify the parents. Anyone who doesn't go through every possible means of healing their child is not mentally fit to raise it. I am only pointing out that this article speaks in a slanderous tone in regards to homeopathy, when really, this is an extreme case. Not all homeopaths are lunatic quacks.
 * 'not all homeopaths are lunatic quacks'? Well, the entire thing is voodoo-magic with zero scientific evidence; a so-called treatment that has failed in every double-blind scientific attempt to verify efficacy. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this apathy due to female child? I think the couple should be charged with female infanticide and punished accordingly.Rajiva Ranjan (talk) 11:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC) Rajiva Ranjan
 * Infanticide should not involve sex discrimination in the eyes of the law. Whether or not this is a case of infanticide may be open to question, but I'm sure most people think the result of their action - or inaction - is in some way criminal. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Speaking in the parents' defense, Tom Molomby, SC, said that, as the parents came from India, where homeopathy is in common use, they should be declared not guilty due to cultural differences.

What a load of rubbish, when you are a citizen of a country you live by that country's laws and as such you will be held accountable for your actions.Skaiidawg -86.96.228.84 (talk) 05:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

no evidence
Saying there is "no evidence" is actually a falsehood. Saying that no conventional medical journal has ever published peer-reviewed evidence that it is of benefit may be true.

There have been many people who have reported much benefit from it - as well as likely many more people who have reported no effect. It could be a placebo, but it seems the writer of this article wasn't neutral.

(Note that I have no association with homeopathy and would be reluctant to use it myself) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.149.22 (talk • contribs)
 * Source to back up these claims? Cirt (talk) 03:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Wikinews does not deal in 'truth'/'falsehood' or other certainties. It relies to what is the notably (common) verifiable scientifically established view on the matter. In the case of homeopathy it is justified to use the phrase 'no evidence' because there is no notable scientific evidence on the matter. Please see article on homeopathy.

 * Now you imply many hidden/weasel concepts here: 'conventional medical journal' means that you believe there are notable 'unconventional medical journals' we should refer to? If you want to argue for and establish such notability, you are free to do so at the article discussion on homeopathy. Wikinews is not a forum for that. The 'many people'-argument is a non-valid argument in the Wikipedia world (as is in most scientific arguments, except perhaps in fields where it is relevant, such as sociology and psychology). What 'many people' think or experience isn't a basis for fact or truth. Many reports of an effect maybe a notably phenomenon, but that phenomenon isn’t evidence of anything except maybe the existence of the phenomenon, such as placebo effect (which, in the absence of any other evidence, by the principle of Occam’s razor, is the most likely the cause of the phenomenon).

 * I'm not sure if this is the right forum to teach the basics of thinking and dealing with reality - but you see, humans go though life giving undue weight on 'evidence' based on hearsay and anecdotes because that is the what most of the information we receive in our daily social exchanges is. And we make a calculation of likelihood to decide to trust it because the risks associated aren't overwhelming. Its a very practical, pragmatic way, because otherwise you would be constantly paralysed by uncertainties and analysis and wouldn't get anything done.

 * However when we have to make decisions which have overwhelming risks like giving someone the correct (most likely beneficial) medical treatment, we no longer cannot deal in intuitive analysis - we have to have some external verification for it. That is what the system of science is. Its a system to try to catch the cognitive and human fallacies we knowingly or unknowingly allow to influence our decisions. And sometimes it goes against our observations and experiences - and then you have to ask yourself: do you trust yourself, or do you trust this system. And that is the key to all the alternative / pseudo-sciences: people who are too proud or selfish, to consider their own fallacies - ironic yes since hippies are often accused of 'navel gazing', whereas that is exactly what they should be doing - evaluating and observing if they are subject to cognitive fallacies - and devising a way external to their own mind to try to verify it.

 * Its called critical thinking, being able to for example play the devils advocate etc. People who have strong beliefs on a subject are often incapable to exercise these - whereas an honest person (to themselves) would subject their own cognition to scrutiny. My observation is that people who are proponents of homeopathy have extreme difficulties with self-consciousness and -trust (again very ironic for hippies), where as people who regularly deal with the scientific method are very at ease and peace with themselves since they regularly challenge their own minds to a duel with the reality around them - and allow reality to win - every time! Does this make any sense to you? Sincerely --Ransu (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

screw the fact the parents are from INDIA
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT THEY HAD THE CREAMS NEEDED TO HELP HEAL THE CHILD! SHE DIED B/C THE PARENTS WERE NOT DOING THEIR JOB!!!! I HOPE THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY..STUPIDITY IS NOT AN EXCUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This opinion section....
Is awesome! They should add an opinion page to Wikipedia articles so we can all tear chunks out of each other in arguments over there too.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.235.151 (talk) 12:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Claims not supported by evidence/sources
Adam Cuerden wrote, "She died from infection caused by severe eczema", but this claim is not supported by any of the cited sources. "the baby spent all her energy battling the infections caused by the constant breaking of the skin, leading to severe malnutrition and, eventually, her death" <-- What evidence supports this claim? It seems more likely that she had a genetic defect that caused a nutritional defect and then a nutrient deficiency caused the skin problems and infections. "homeopathic treatment leads to daughter's death" <-- this claim is not supported by any of the cited sources. --JWSchmidt (talk) 04:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

it is sad to know the death of  gloria. I wondr why she did not respond to treatment. I have treated many cases of eczema with the following medicines.By the grace of God it has never failed. Streptococcinum 1m only two dozes with 10 days interval at night. From next morning of firstdoze start administering calc.sul. 6x two to four tabs every two hours from morning till evening daily. The eczema will vanish. Abdul Basit                                                                                FB Homoeo Clinic                                                                                fbhomoeo@hotmail.com

death of glona
I HVE SEEN CSES WHERE EXCEMA WAS TREATED BY MODERN MEDICINES. LOCAL APPLICATIONS WILL KEEP THE SKIN FAIR BUT THE POOISON  GOES INSIDE TO AFFECT THE VITAL ORGANS SUCH AS BRAIN  AND LUNGS ALSO NERVOUS SYSTEMS....I SAW A PPROFESSER  WITH EXCEMA SUPPRESSED  BY MODERN TREATMENT WHO FELT UNESY FOR A LNG TIME..WHEN HOEO MEDICINES GIVEN  AGAIN  ECZEMA STRTED WEEPIN BUT THE DISCOMFORT DISAPPEARED...SINCE THE SKIN WAS SHABBY HE AGAIN APPLIED  OINTMENTS..THE SKIN WAS FAIR BUT HE SWOONED WHILE ENTRING A BUS IN A BAZAAR LEADING TO STROKE ENROUTE TO DEATH........SUPPRESSION OF EXZEMA  WILL CAUSE ASSTHMA,  WHICH IS COMMON......SUGGEST THE ALLOPATHIC MEDICINES CAN BE GIVEN INSIDE IN ECZEMA CSEE AVOIDING LOCAL APPLICATIONS AT LEAST.....DR.SUNGMESWARAN BH2106.TNHC. MADRAS''

LIES, DISTORTIONS and MISINFORMATION
WHOA!!! Up until today, I thought Wikipedia an excellent resource. However, after reading the entries on Homoeopathy and Samuel Hahnemann, and this article ("Parents prosecuted after homeopathic treatment leads to daughter's death"), I have completely reversed my opinion.

Obviously, the parents grossly failed in their duties of care to their child, but why ever did Wikipedia & Wikinews allow themselves to be hijacked, sullied and besmirched by such a blatant piece of anti-Homeopathy PROPAGANDA!!!? An "encyclopedia" that presents things in such a biased way is not an encyclopedia at all, merely a large propaganda repository.

What a GROSSLY BIASED collection of lies, distortion and misinformation!

Even the title shows the bias. Of course "... homeopathic treatment leads to daughter's death" is a GROSS LIE, unless you can prove that if the Homeopathic Treatment was not given, the baby would have lived. And I'm willing to bet, she would still have died of the same neglect. Therefore, it was NOT the Homeopathic treatment that lead to the death, but the LACK of effective care and treatment.

Examples: "with ritualised shaking between each step". Ritualised huh? Not just ordinary shaking? What disgraceful crap! You might as well say that the machines that stamp out BIG PHARMA's little poison pills are engaged in an equally "ritualised stamping." But NO, that would be fair to both sides of this war.

"...homeopathy ... that has been described as pseudoscience." Why didn't it just say "a highly disputed and controversial form of alternative medicine"? Ditto to "quackery." Let me describe the pharmaceutical industry as an advanced and sophisticated extortion racket, just to be fair!

SHAME ON YOU, WIKIPEDIA & WIKINEWS!!!

The real truth is that BIG PHARMA is actually feeling very threatened by the on-going success and popularity of Homeopathy, and now resorts to underhand tactics like this. If Homeopathy didn't work at all, it would not be threatened. People would soon learn for themselves that it doesn't work, but in fact, often enough, it not only works, but it FAR outperforms expensive and toxic pharmaceuticals.

Why don't you just DELETE THE NASTY LITTLE "STORY"?

Homeopathy is not negligence
I have followed this story closely ever since it made the news. This child did not die from Homeopathy, she died from gross negligence. The same could be said of parents who travel without their child being in a car seat. The world can't condemn the car seat manufacturer for the parents bad choices when an accident occurs. Should they be prosecuted? That's a different question all together. The line between a parents rights and the well being of a child is at times blurry.

Rik--99.94.138.66 (talk) 20:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Breaks my heart!"
Breaks my heart! —166.250.45.169 (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "I have been a follower of this..."
I have been a follower of this case and the article here is anything but complete and reliable. —203.38.6.83 (talk) 06:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

homeopathy scientific medicine
homeopathy very good medicine for small boils when no pus belladonna30 cure in 3day


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Why do those dumb fucks keep rebuilding in the same place each year just to get burnt again? Oh right, America. Well that answers it. --218.215.95.81 09:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


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Re:Import
Wikinews has disabled transwiki importing, so I couldn't import the template over here. So, I tried to copy the template text from Commons, but it didn't look too good, so I ended up having to tinker around a bit. I came up with User SUL, is this okay? Cheers, tempo divalse  14:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

fr.wikinews and Google News
Hi!

I think you're involved in this. Are all the checkboxes ticked for editorial control? If I can map fr.wn policies and guidelines to en.wn ones I can do the submission to Google (although Josh Cohen seems to have been promoted since I last spoke to him).

I'd really like to see this done on several Wikinews language editions and then Google made aware of interlanguage links. From their point of view it would have to be great to put up "English Headline  ..." Then we might be able to move on to getting a gadget to translate accross. So, say, take EN article, click button, start developing translation on FR, hope that gets tidied and reviewed. If we're also feeding back quality information/better translations to Google they will love us even more ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 14:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "English Headline" might be more clear to you if I write "Article title in English ". What I mean is that if you are looking at Google News and an article has gone through peer_review and publish in multiple languages that the headline can be shown in your interface language, plus alternatives in other languages.
 * The reason I'm interested is that we're trying to set up a writing competition. I would like to see it active beyond just English. So, any language that's getting listed in Google News can have entrants.
 * For Google News, my part-working memory say you need the following:-
 * A group of people carying out Editorial review and publication functions
 * Criteria for how people get the Editor rights
 * A template or other mechanism to show that an article has been reviewed (parallel to peer review)
 * There are technical requirements (need numbers in links given to Google) can explain that and probably sort out the gadget we use for your needs. Then I can make the submission to Google News and send a courtesy copy to Josh Cohen the business manager for GNews. This makes sure that frWN will be listed as an International news source, and linked to enWN. When we were first listed they put us in the index as based in Florida! Very misleading when contributors are global. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Over 13,500 evacuated after wildfire in California

All right -- you're rejecting my edits. Fine. Here I'm a lowly newbie, while I'm an administrator on en:. But let me point out that the picture is of last November's Tea Fire; the map shows the ENTIRE northeast part of Santa Barbara County is evacuated, rather than just part of the City of Santa Barbara -- the scale is off by MORE than an order of magnitude; the current stats are 30,000 people evacuated, more than 75 homes lost, and it has burned about 3,500 acres. It's really worthwhile to get this stuff right. ANY current source gives this stuff. Here is just one. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 00:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Please don't think we're rejecting your edits. I see I was the person who removed your additions, and looking over it now, I'm not sure why I did that. I guess I noticed that the square mile figure was changed, and the new source provided didn't mention that number, so I removed it, assuming the new number to be inaccurate. Please feel free to readd the information if you want. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  00:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello there the map order of flame magnitude was adapted from BBC NewsSriMesh | talk  04:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


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User talk:129.19.6.125

Welcome to Wikinews. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Wikinews. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to Wikinews, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. tempo divalse  15:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Talkback
Tempodivalse [talk]  00:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your kind note on my en.wp talk. You say you're about to evacuate yourself from the fires, so I sincerely hope that everything will go well for you. Best regards, Tempodivalse [talk]  00:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I also hope things go well, if you are online, is this map accurate on BBC News? SriMesh | talk  04:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Me again. Another article Jesusita wild fire sends 30,000 from their California homes has been started, do you have an addition from your neck of the woods to this updated article?SriMesh |  talk  05:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

No legal threats
Please don't make legal threats on Wikinews. We'll deal with the vandalism/abuse here, the IP having been issued with a week-long block. If need be, we'll extend that to a rangeblock too.

I'm not asking because of WMF policy, but because I'd rather not let an idiot like your harasser spread xyr grief across multiple projects. --Brian McNeil / talk 02:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

 * On T-Mobile he gets on edit per IP address; the only effective way to stop him is by blocking 172.56.0.0/23 and 208.54.64.0/24, as I did on Wikipedia. But then he just vandalizes my pages on Wikisource, Wikiquote, etc.  He has issued unambiguous death threats to me, and it has become quite clear to me that on one except me gives a fuck. So I'm doing something about it. Antandrus (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've seen similar before, I'll get a local checkuser to make sure those ranges won't hit anyone else. --Brian McNeil / talk 02:19, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Appreciate any help.   02:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Requested CU. If it's going to hit anyone else, I'll sort them with IPBlockExempt so we can shut down that as an abuse avenue. --Brian McNeil / talk 02:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I think I've now got all the abusive revisions hidden. If you're passing this stuff onto law enforcement, which I agree you should, I'm happy to assist them on that with copies of abuse/threats, IP details &c. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected
I've semi-protected this page for a while. If you'd rather not, or prefer a different (finite) duration, just let me know. (Just btw: I tend to agree with brianmc's remark, above, about no legal threats; more generally in this case, I'd recommend against feeding the troll.) --Pi zero (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 * Yeah, thanks. I know. I can just ignore him if you can handle reverting the rubbish he puts here from time to time. He's been fixated on me since 2006. When I signed up for Wikipedia, way back, I had no idea that this was part of the package. Antandrus (talk) 00:41, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for monitoring recent changes, Antandrus :)
Hi and welcome back, Antandrus!

I don't think I saw you before. In terms of music, do you also do music editing (on computer) or only playing musical instruments in the non-digital way? Having seen your personal page at Wikipedia, it does not say a lot about your technical (programming or coding) contributions. What are your strengths about that? If you do, do you program only for the wiki, or also for some other platforms (mobile, desktop)? From a non-coding perspective: do you like testing software and giving ideas about how it could be improved?

Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 04:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

 * Hi Gryllida! -- yes, I do a lot of music editing (I'm a composer) but also play violin and piano -- or anything with a keyboard. And also the theremin. I don't do a lot of programming, per se -- but I do enjoy the last part of what you said, testing and suggesting improvements. In my day job I use a lot of technically specialized software with small enough user bases that all users are necessarily beta-testers. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Protect
Hi, unfortunately this is not a GS-wiki. --Mtarch11 (talk) 05:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Comments:Large earthquake hits Southern Peru, one killed

THAT IS SO SAD I AM GLAD THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH A EARTHQUAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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2,000 face redundancy at English steelworks

May 9, 2009

Corus Group, the world's fifth largest steel producer, announced on Friday that it may be forced to mothball its steelworks in Redcar, England. This move would threaten the jobs of the works' 1,920 employees.

Corus may be forced to close its Teesside operations as a consortium has refused to honour a 10-year contract with Corus' Teesside Cast Products, which accounted for 78% of the plant's operations. Corus' chief executive, Kirby Adams, said he was "extremely disappointed that the consortium members have seen fit to take this irresponsible action."

Lord Mandelson, Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform, said "it is essential that Corus does everything it can legally, and with the government's assistance, to reinstate the agreement". Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, shared this view saying, "We are doing everything in our power to ensure that the contract is upheld." Mandelson also said "we are not prepared to reconcile ourselves to the inevitable closure of this plant".

The leader of Redcar & Cleveland Borough Council, Councillor George Dunning, said "Today is like being hit by a mini earthquake compared to what's happened in the past."

Martin Callanan and Stephen Hughes, Tory, and Labour MEPs for North East England, supported the idea that the government should subsidise wages in the plant on a temporary basis. Hughes and Fiona Hall, Lib Dem MEP, suggested that the government should apply to the EU's Globalisation Adjustment Fund. Hall said "if the worst comes to the worst and jobs are indeed lost, I trust the Government will change its mind and support an application to the European Globalisation Fund in order to fund skills training for those who have lost their jobs."

This move could "bring to an end a fine heritage of steelmaking at Teesside", according to Adams. Steelworks in Teesside, which previously belonged to British Steel and Dorman Long, produced steel for famous structures like the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

Corus had said it was likely there would be a "very significant number of redundancies" and a 90-day consultation period is due to begin.

Corus' owner, Tata Steel, are also facing difficulties with another UK operation, automobile company Jaguar Land Rover.


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Recession hits Australian asbestos victims fund

May 9, 2009

Asbestos victims seeking their retribution payment of A$350 million from the Asbestos Injuries Compensation Fund are approaching the Australian government following an admission from James Hardie compensation fund trustees stating they are unable to pay the victims in lump sums due to the recession.

The James Hardie building materials firm which established the $1.5 billion fund in 2006, claims it is short 3.5 million for its compensation fund payouts due to the decline in the American housing market which provides 85 percent of its company sales. The settlement stipulates that in the event of a shortfall, victims will receive funds in the form of installments.

Asbestos advocacy groups representing injured former employees are requesting help from the Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd for additional funds from James Hardie. "We're talking to the government and James Hardie about funding options," said Dallas Booth, CEO of Asbestos Injuries Compensation Fund.

"For example victims might be able to sign over their rights to the state government so that they get compensated in full until the fund can be replenished and then the state government can get their money back straight out of the fund." suggested Paul Bastian, New South Wales secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union.

Barry Robson, president of the Asbestos Diseases Foundation explained that James Hardie has paid $153 million in taxes to the Australian Taxation Office, and that the Asbestos Diseases Foundation will request of the Rudd Government to defer these taxes until the economic condition improves and James Hardie's profitability returns. In this way the Australian government would allow James Hardie's taxes to go to the asbestos fund.

Victims are currently paid out via a lump sum arrangement, and the Asbestos Diseases Foundation is advocating for the status quo. "Well how they're paid now is in lump sum and we'd like to continue with that. The victims groups are totally opposed to any instalment plan whatsoever," said Robson in the interview with PM.

The Asbestos Diseases Foundation emphasized that a payment plan could be ineffectual, as asbestos victims and those suffering from mesothelioma may die before receiving full payments.

Bastian noted to the Australian Associated Press that asbestos victims have upfront costs to deal with, including medical bills, and would be adversely affected by an installment plan option. "Victims also want to ensure that their families are looked after, that there's contingencies and everything is settled before they pass away, in many cases," said Bastian to the AAP.

Bastian told The Australian he would request Prime Minister Rudd stay true to his promise that "no one would go without compensation". "I think the state Government should be our white knight," commented Bastian.

Asbestosis is a disease resulting from asbestos exposure which causes lung scarring and can lead to lung cancer. Exposure to asbestos can also lead to a more serious condition known as mesothelioma. Mesothelioma is a cancer which develops in the sac surrounding the lungs and chest cavity, abdominal cavity, or the sac surrounding the heart. Patients with malignant mesothelioma generally do not have positive outcomes, and once diagnosed typically have six months to a year to live.


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User:Antandrus

I am w:User:Antandrus on the English Wikipedia, and a bunch of other Wikimedia projects.

Doctorate in music. I've also written the articles for many places in southern California, and I may occasionally contribute to local news stories.

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Wildfire in California displaces 30,000

May 9, 2009 The recent Jesusita Fire in Santa Barbara County, California, has burned more than 8,600 acres of land over the last four days. Over 75 homes were destroyed, and more than 30,500 residents were evacuated. Another 23,000 are on standby to leave immediately when the notice comes down.

Approximately 3,500 homes along with 100 businesses are currently threatened by the blaze.

"Right now, if you are not evacuated in the Santa Barbara area, you are sheltering evacuees," said city Fire Chief Andrew DiMizio, "We saw the fire spread laterally across the top of the city and the fire front extend to almost eight kilometers now."

The firefighting crew on guard against the fire has amassed 2,300 firefighters with 246 fire engines, fourteen air tankers, fifteen helicopters as well as a DC-10 jumbo jet tanker.

There have been no reports of residents being injured, however 11 firefighters have sustained injuries battling the fire, placing three in the hospital.

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Comments:Indo-Canadian teens kidnapped, found dead in car

if it is so bad why dont they assign more anti drugs teams and more police to this place and maybe if they had not been involved in crime they might just be alive today to live and see daylight but instaed they are dead and gone they should of stayed home.


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Hello and welcome to my user page as you can see by my user name I like soft music just threw in the k for something different.

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Tempodivalse [talk]  16:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
very much for the welcome --Softmusik4lyf (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Looks like an interesting story! Perhaps if I'll have some time later, I'll expand it into a full-sized article. But you're doing quite well! Welcome once again. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at my talk page. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  16:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the shorts here: Wikinews Shorts: May 11, 2009. Someone should be along soon to review it, and hopefully it will be published. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  00:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your article has been published, and is now on the front page. Congratulations! I hope you continue to contribute. Smile.png Tempodivalse [talk]  14:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews Shorts: May 11, 2009

United States reports third death from H1N1 swine flu
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported on Sunday that 2,532 confirmed cases of the H1H1 swine flu virus and three casualties have been reported in 44 states throughout the country. The figure was updated from Saturday's figures, which had the number of confirmed cases at 2,254, with 104 persons hospitalised.

Currently, the US is the country with the second number of fatalities from the virus. Mexico is first, with 48 confirmed deaths, while Canada and Costa Rica both have one death each from the flu.

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Boston trolleys crash
Two trolleys collided in Boston, Massachusetts on the Green Line on Friday, causing the line to be shut down. About 50 people were hurt with minor cuts and bruises. One of the trolley's conductors was allegedly text messaging to his girlfriend at the time of the crash. The head of the city's transit authority has said he will ban bus drivers or conductors from carrying cell phones on board their vehicle.

"I want to remove any temptation by one or two people stupid enough to think a moment of convenience is worth the lives of the people they're transporting," said general manager Daniel Grabauskas. "I'm not going to wait for someone to die to institute a policy whose time I think has come."

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Talk:Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi in custody

Jaya arrested Acharya because of political reasons......


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Talk:2,000 face redundancy at English steelworks

Requests
I've tried to contact all companies in the consortium (Marcegaglia SpA, Dongkuk Steel Mills Co Ltd, Duferco Participations Holding Ltd and Alvory SA); I can't find an email for Dongkuk. Awaiting replies. Computerjoe (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Please add Category:Cleveland, England. Computerjoe (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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