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Several problems with this proposed policy:
 * It violates the permanence objective: Wikimedia Commons does not guarantee that an image will not be changed, while Wikinews wants that guarantee. Better to upload images to Wikinews so it can be assured that another project won't change them or decide they don't matter a week, year, decade or 50 years from now.
 * It restricts content to only what Wikimedia Commons will accept, when this is an independent project with its own guidelines and policies.
 * It requires a license, blocking the use of public domain material, including that released to the public domain by the creator.
 * It misleads about what fair use is. Use of images from other media is unlikely to be fair use, but that's presented as the reason for not using fair use images. Fair use would really be images like stills from terrorist videos, product shots, company logos and such, none of which can be used under this policy because such things aren't accepted at Wikimedia Commons. Jamesday 15:57, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bad idea...
Under this policy, we could not use fair use that other media sources would use…pictures like corporate logos (for an article about that company) and such. I noticed that Special:Upload has been turned off. I'm not liking this… Francisco Melendez 19:19, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I concur. It is standard practice at many business reporting outlets to use corporate logos to quickly visually communicate which companies a given story is about.

If the foundation refuses to change the rules for the Commons, then Wikinews needs an alternative repository for its fair-use images to avoid artificially constraining the quality of the reporting on this site.

Why can't we post images directly onto the Wikinews servers, just as Wikipedia serves fair use images from its own servers?

I agree that we shouldn't rip off images from other news sites, but we don't have to resort to that in quite a few cases where we can acquire or produce fair-use images on our own.

Please change this policy.

— DV 05:29, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So perhaps a better policy is like the following?

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When it comes to legal risk, I am not sure if we should simply decide based on logal-governance. So I would suggest that we contact the Foundation if we come to some concensus or narrow down to a few options. How does that sound?

Tomos 05:43, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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President of China lunches with Brazilian President

November 13, 2004

, the of the People's Republic of China had lunch today with the  of Brazil,, at the Granja do Torto, the President's country residence in the. Lunch was a traditional Brazilian with different kinds of meat.

Some Brazilian ministers were present at the event: (Economy), ,  (Agriculture),  (Development),  ,  (Mines and Energy). Also present were ( company president) and Eduardo Dutra (, government oil company, president).

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I checked against some other sources, seems to be OK.--Eloquence 02:46, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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I'd prefer a more general article about the China/Brazil trade agreement, but this is a start.--Eloquence 02:47, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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This is my first experience in Wikinews. Take a look. --carlosar The English writting must be checked against errors.--carlosar

I think it is finished. Now it is up to you, the article needs a review.I have put a lot of references. This news could be put in the South America section, Brazil subsection. It is my local contribution to Wikinews.--carlosar

If there is something wrong please correct or report me and I will correct it. I would like to hear opinions about other users.--carlosar

I would like to comment a possible issue. The final article is not editable, but its links(external webpages and Wikipedia) are. Maybe this is not a problem, but I am reporting it anyway. --carlosar Nov 15 03:25:43 UTC 2004

The links pointed by the article must be neutral? They must follow Wikinews requisites? --carlosar Nov 15 03:25:43 UTC 2004

I think the article should be redirect to South_America/Brazil/President_of_China_lunches_with_Brazilian_President.--carlosar Nov 15 12:25:22 UTC 2004

Is the article news-worthy?
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Palestinians to elect new president on January 9

Acting president has announced today that Palestinian elections will be held on January 9. Futtuh, head of the, was sworn in hours after the death of on Thursday, and Palestinian Basic Law dictates that he may only serve up to two months before elections are held.

New leadership could prove to be the key to revitalizing the peace process in the, as both Israel and the United States had refused to work with Arafat.

The  had initially reported that former prime minister was selected by the  central committee as their candidate for president, but Abbas has denied this, saying, "the matter is still being discussed." There have also been conflicting reports on whether or not jailed Palestinian leader will run.

Barghouti is currently serving five life sentences in Israel for attacks against Israelis. Nonetheless, he remains a popular figure among Palestinians for his role in the Palestinian uprising, and could potentially win the election if he decided to run.

A win by Barghouti could put Israel in an awkward spot; however an Israeli official said this week that he would not be freed, and a landslide win by Barghouti would signify to them that the Palestinians were not yet ready for peace.


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Conflict of interest
So 80% of the front page is now Виктор Пинчук / Viktor Pinchuk promoting himself and his publications without any conflict of interest being noted on any of the articles, and Wikinews is ok with this? Someone who isn't notable enough to have an article in any language of Wikipedia (see Viktor Pinchuk) gets to own Wikinews? What a joke this place is. 193.117.137.146 (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Idea:Temporary extra page
undefined In rare cases, we have actually so much news that news disappear very quickly from the main page. Here is an idea for that. All news should stay for at least 2-3 days. If there are more than 5 published articles in the past 2-3 days, then the less recent articles should go on a second page. This would be linked to from the main page. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. At the moment the main page is built around the five leads. At the right hand side is a list of the latest twenty articles, including the five leads. So, would we have a second page with those fifteen articles that are no longer on the five leads? An alternative idea might be to increase the number of leads to perhaps twenty and have them all displayed in decreasing prominence? The German Wikinews main page has something like this, with capacity for up to fifty articles (I think). I am not sure if it is automated though. [24Cr][talk] 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, thats not what I'm saying at least. For example, the last 20 articles often streches back more than 3 months, those aren't really news. This would only be for the (rare) occurence where there is more than 5 articles published in a 2-3 day long period. Idea would be a second with anything not in the latest 5 but in the last 2-3 days.@Cromium Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. So, for example at the moment we have seven articles from the last 3 days, and the oldest two of those would go onto a second page? [24Cr][talk] 21:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly.@Cromium Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not much good at code but feel free to start a subpage and play around with the layout. You'll probably need some new templates to match the five lead templates (although there are at least two unused ones around - one with a 6 and one without a number). [24Cr][talk] 12:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've made lead 9 and updated 6, does nothing for now. 7 and 8 are create protected, so I'll need help for those. 10 isn't needed...yet. I would need you to add a link on the Main Page, of course...working on a page 2 now... Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cromium, now make an example Main Page 2 and 10 as well. Thoughts? Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank for unprotecting, I think Main Page 2 looks good now... Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've unprotected 7 and 8. I think there should be up to six leads, so they all look equal. At the moment lead 6 has prominence because it takes up double the width of the others. [24Cr][talk] 20:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That could be said of lead 1 here too. If you still want I'll try to figure out how to change that. How is the rest of it. What would you think of adding a link to it somewhere on the Main Page, where and how?@Cromium Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, lead 1 has prominence because ordinarily it is the most recently reviewed article. I guess we could have six on the main page and six (or four) on the second page. However, then could we not have ten on the main page? I think we need input from others. I'll put it on the site notice. [24Cr][talk] 21:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know, for now I'm keeping as is. I think that the Main Page 2 could, pending approval, be put as a link on the Main Main Page (that sounds weird) in the current state, with minor issues like that to be worked out later@Cromium Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Frankly, this is a bizarre idea. You're proposing to maintain a second Main Page which readers would have to click a link on the Main Page to get to, perhaps making it less likely they'll see those articles there than under "Latest news" on the Main Page. I don't get why, if it's important, we couldn't just put more leads on the Main Page, where they're more likely to be seen, which I would guess is your aim with this idea? Also, would the articles on the second Main Page be listed under "Latest news" in addition? Heavy Water (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes they would also be on latest news. Idea would like an actual newspaper...there are multiple pages. I have no objection to placing it further down either if you want to though...@Heavy Water Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand the rationale for this. Is there any other news site that does this or something like it? Am I missing some kind of best practice here? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there any other news site that doesn't either have a second page or a longer first page than 5 entries?@Koavf Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're answering my questions with questions. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * you asked if there was a site that has more than 5 stuff on the front page or a second page, I implied I think literally all do, can you think of one that doesn't?@Koavf Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 09:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did not ask you that. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You asked if anything did this (and that is this so you did).@Koavf Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 09:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This recursive and tangential way of communicating is not going to be very effective for you. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ???@Koavf Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're answering a question with a question and then telling me that my original question was something other than what it was. I don't see this being very useful for convincing anyone that you've got a good proposal. Good luck. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To slow the tempo down just a pinch: I am unsure that we need to declare "New articles on the main page for 3 days is a requirement." --The main page is essentially our "Front page" as-it-were........ Of course, it needs to be there longer than 5 minutes -- sure. IMO, I think we should, if someone knows which buttons to click, maybe create real estate for 6 articles and just see how that flows. I like the big rolling list over along the right side. Those headlines are just attention grabbers, really......and little more. Just my two cents. It is really just a matter of us determining what we consider to be "old".--Bddpaux (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've had more of a think about this. I'm no longer sure that a second page is the best way. The way I understand it is there are 24 boxes, in 3 columns of 8:
 * Six of those boxes are taken up the five leads.
 * Three are for the list of latest news.
 * Three are for the regional and subject portals / categories.
 * Three are for the interviews, original reporting and featured articles.
 * Three are for the "write/about/around" templates, although these could be reduced to two boxes.
 * Three are for the links to other language versions of Wikinews.
 * Three are for the links to other English wikis.
 * Unless I've not understood it correctly, there is nothing stopping us from expanding to 9x3 or 10x3 or indeed 10x4 or reducing the number of boxes. I am not particularly attached to the interwiki and sister link boxes because they are both kind of redundant to the links in the sidebar. We could make the leads equal (so six leads where we have five), and add an additional row (another three leads), to give space for nine leads on the main page. I think this might suffice for the current situation, where some articles have been on the lead templates for about a day. [24Cr][talk] 18:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Having 6 leads alongside the latest news section and another three on the next row, I think this is a sufficient approach for now. However, I also believe we should keep the sister project template on the main page. Another idea could be implementing an enable-disable mechanism for the additional three on the new row, so that when there are fewer news articles published, the main page doesn't appear too outdated. However, I haven't delved deeply into this to identify all the potential drawbacks. Asked42 (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Can have a look here to see how the nine lead cells might look. Asked42 (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that I agree with the second idea of yours maybe. Your sandbox page looks good but theres only 7 btw.@Asked42. I think that at a minimum an article should have 24 hours on the main page, probably more like 2-3. But thats another thing we can figure out@Bddpaux Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Never mind I didn't scroll down. Maybe don't have that thing on the side it looks a bit weird though, maybe just have 8 or 10 or something like that instead Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, in the sandbox, there are a total of nine leads. I'm not sure what you mean by 'that thing on the side'—maybe the latest news section? By the way, this is just a demo example, as per the proposals. Also, now that I think about it, is the Wikinews community really active enough to regularly maintain more extra leads? (I hope it is). Asked42 (talk) 10:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean the one under latest news. I think that lead should be removed@Asked42 Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe rotate the news from a panel? Leaderboard (talk) 12:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've lost my bearings on the Sandbox being referred to here; can someone point me to it? I like the 'rotation' idea, but how would it flow? Random? Can't quite get my head around it without seeing an example.--Bddpaux (talk) 20:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd imagine that's what they are thinking. @Leaderboard, can you clarify for me and @BigKrow? Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have a "panel" with say four news articles. When a user visits Wikinews, the system will randomly pick one news article from that panel and show it to the user. If the user visits it again, the system should again randomly pick a news article from the panel. If we want users to see three news articles instead, we can have "three" panels with four different news articles. The system will pick one news article from each panel.
 * This is the approach Wikibooks uses. To refresh the system, you'll need to purge the page. Leaderboard (talk) 04:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BigKrow (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The issue is that users will wonder where a story went if they say click a story and then load up the main page again.@Leaderboard Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 09:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , (i) the story won't usually change unless the cache has been purged, and (ii) the main page can be worded appropriately so that users don't get surprised when they do change. Leaderboard (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "the story won't usually change unless the cache has been purged" - Then it would hide say half the stories and most users won't purge...that might be even worse@Leaderboard Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 09:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * not really. It's not like users must purge - this automatically happens. Leaderboard (talk) 11:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "It's not like users must purge - this automatically happens" and now were back to users don't see stories half the time. @Leaderboard Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * you need to consider the frequency as well. It's not like users will always see different news, but users won't have to wait too long to see different news either - does that make sense? It's the same thing on Wikibooks. Leaderboard (talk) 05:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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Brazilian delegation returns from Arafat funeral

November 13, 2004 The delegation representing Brazil at the funeral of Yasser Arafat returned today, November 13, 2004. The chief-minister of Civil House José Dirceu was a member of the delegation. Unfortunately they arrived too late for the funeral and the delegation watched only part of the funeral activities.

PCdoB (Brazilian communist political party) Deputy Jamil Murad, member of the delegation, said there was a "deep mourning" feeling. Jamil Murad had visited Yasser Arafat in April 2004, along with nine other Brazilian deputies. According to Jamil Murad: "Yasser Arafat was a Palestinian leader who became a world projection leader". He said Arafat had written him a letter thanking the Brazilian people for their support of the Palestinian cause and saying that he, Arafat, considered President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva a great world leader.


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Wikinews:Content guide

This guide does not tell you how to write an article — for that see Writing an article — but what can or cannot be in an article, and what must be in an article.

What Wikinews articles are
Wikinews has two main types of articles:
 * The most common is the synthesis article. These draw on media reports from several independent sources which must be cited. Multiple reliable sources are required for verifiability and neutrality.
 * The other is original reporting. First-hand reports such as interviews, eye-witness reports, the conclusions of — or a progress report on — an investigation; details of this can be found here.  Note that neutrality is still required.

Write news articles
Unlike Wikipedia, Wikinews is a site with stories that chronicle the events when they happen. If something changes, don't edit an old (more than a day) article to update it: write a new one, and link to the old one for reference. Only fix old articles that don't follow current content guidelines. If you deem a topic very important — or if it keeps reappearing in the news — propose setting up a category and redirects, so that related articles will link to it and it can be invoked by an infobox.

Before starting your first Wikinews story, you may want to familiarize yourself with what Wikinews is not.

What is 'news'?
Wikinews is for writing news stories, like those you read in the newspaper, or see on the television news.

 * News stories focus on a recent single current event or phenomenon. (If developments to an ongoing event or issue occur, start a new story, don't edit an old one.)

 * News is factual. Opinions should be sourced from qualified sources, and the fact that those people express those opinions becomes the fact that is reported.
 * A qualified source is an organization or someone who is taken seriously by the public when commenting on a particular area of expertise. They should also be the most important or relevant such source you can get, e.g. on law enforcement policy, the Commissioner of Police is better than a Police Constable. Comments from 'ordinary' sources with an interest is also useful, but only against the context of what the 'important' sources said.

 * Articles must be written from a neutral point of view. News is reported in an unbiased way, and should not vilify or defame.

 * News is relevant. Being Wikinews — global and Internet-based — stories about local news may need to have their relevance explained for our international audience. Stories should appeal to many people.

 * Don't post press releases or personal writings. Follow the neutral point of view policy.

 * Ensure your reporting is timely and the story is at most a week old, with new information come to light in the last 2–3 days. Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news.

Interviews
Interviews can step outside the above newsworthy criteria to some extent. Efforts should be made to tie them into current events, but it is perhaps best to discuss ideas prior to embarking on an interview project. Several Wikinews regulars have conducted interviews and can offer their insight into the process and tailoring content to be informative to the public.

Research your story
Use some of the news sources listed in the Research Desk (or try News sources on Wikipedia), and find background supporting information via search engines such as Google and Yahoo! to flesh out your writing. Save the web addresses (URLs) to the sites you used; you will need them to cite your sources so other editors can see that your work is based upon facts.

You must quote your sources using the "sources" template, see Writing an article.

It is possible, but difficult, to import a story from another news site. The article must be freely licensed or public domain in a manner compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution license (that is, it must be free for others to use in any way they choose, including commercially and derivatively.) It must also meet all criteria for articles, including the policies and guidelines such as WN:NOT.

Cite your sources
It is of utmost importance that we cite sources for any factual claim we make. Try to track down the first source that makes any particular claim. See Style guide for citation style.

To help guard against possible mistakes by news sources and to help establish a neutral point of view, editors are encouraged to find multiple sources on an issue, and fact-check those sources.

Original reporting
Wikinews allows original reports if they are attributed to identifiable sources. For now, anonymous reporting is not allowed. Please see Original reporting for ideas regarding the process.

Wikinews does not want to infringe copyright or other licenses or laws
Again, legal requirements as well as politeness and good relations demand that we police Wikinews and write without infringing licenses, copyrights, laws of secrecy and so on.

Follow the guide above to referencing and attributing and you are well on your way.

News reporting is protected in many countries as an important right that balances, to some degree, intellectual property laws such as copyright. You may even be forgiven by some if you report official secrets, though. The key is to only include as much as is necessary to tell the news, to attribute your source, and to only do so if there is a public benefit.

Don't copy entire pieces of copyrighted work — this includes most websites, even if you cannot see a copyright notice, and includes both portions of text and entire articles.

If in doubt, leave it out. There are often alternative sources for material if you can't get permission.

Some resources on this topic appear below.

 * Fair use
 * Fair dealing

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This page is outdated. Kept for historical record, see Wikinews/Logo. - The current logo in the top left is not the final logo - it was merely chosen by Eloquence to have something in place for the demo. As this is an international issue, please use Wikinews/Logo for logo proposals. There will be a logo proposal stage until December 1, 2004 at least (and possibly extended). After that, we will vote on the final logo.

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Talk:Palestinians to elect new president on January 9/Review

This article has been submitted for review by the Wikinews community. The review period is currently a minimum of 8 hours for regular articles and 4 hours for urgent stories. An article needs to find consensus - no objections - in the following categories in order to be accepted for publication. See also Article stages for information on what constitutes a valid objection.

Is the article neutral?
''All factual claims need to be attributed or sourced. On-topic information which is relevant to the article should be added. Off-topic information should NOT be added to "balance out" an article.''

Looks good.--Eloquence 03:07, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) Seems to be. --Lyellin 20:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article accurate and have sources been cited?
''All facts should be verifiable. Factual claims which are attributed to a person or group, but considered false by another person or group can remain in the article as long as the controversy is accurately represented.''

Looks good, checked against the cited sources.--Eloquence 03:07, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) I can't find anything wrong. --Lyellin 20:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article legal?
''Does the article violate any laws of the state of Florida in the United States? Specifically, does it violate other people's copyright, in text or images? Please make sure that no amount of text or images has been directly copied from a non-free source without permission. Use Google News and Google Search and pick individual phrases from the article to verify this.''

Looks good, checked against Google News.--Eloquence 03:07, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) Nothing wrong. --Lyellin 20:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Does the article comply with our policies and guidelines?
Aside from the above categories, does the article comply with Content guide and Style guide?'

Looks good.--Eloquence 03:07, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) Yep. -- Lyellin 20:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article comprehensive?
''Relevant information on the topic should be included, while keeping in mind timeliness. Given that an almost infinite amount can be said about any topic, objections in this category carry less weight than those in other categories.''

Some more background could help, but OK for publication.--Eloquence 03:07, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think it is not a big trouble, but I would like to suggest someone put the photo credits of Image:Mahmoud abbas.jpg, unless it is unknown. carlosar--Nov 15 12:14:25 UTC 2004.

Agree with Eloquence, but I don't think the article is hurt due to lack. --Lyellin 20:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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Hearing begins over David Hookes death

A hearing started today over the death of Australian coach. Hookes died after an incident outside a hotel in Melbourne, Australia on the 19th of January.

Bouncer, 22, is charged with manslaughter.

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Wikinews:Water cooler/Original

de:Wikinews:Pressestammtisch The Water Cooler is the general discussion page about Wikinews, similar to the Village Pump on the English Wikipedia. Please try to merge recent comments here with the new level-two sections before archiving.

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For full text of past Water Cooler discussions visit: Archive 1 | Archive 2

Ongoing policy discussions which started on the water cooler.

Ongoing discussions about site features.

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Summarized Q&A and FAQs
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Unanswered questions

 * What is the official definition of "neutrality?"
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 * I am a news user of 'wiki' - how does it work?
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Summarized suggestions

 * Why doesn't international date formatting work here? EX: January 3
 * A:
 * I suggest RSS for Wikinews
 * A:
 * I suggest an Orphan articles(you can choose another better name if you like) section
 * A: Feel free to move unfinished orphans to Template:Editor tasks under the Abandoned articles section.
 * It would be very convenient to have a Wikipedia link in the left navigation bar.
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 *  Perhaps we could use a template for out-of-date articles that says when information has been updated in a newer article.
 * A:
 * We could have some "Wikinews Wire Service" - subscribers of the service receives news alerts articles of his choice (in certain category or by keywords) via email.
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 * I hope that people can create audio files of some of the articles that people can download and distribute.
 * A: See Wikisound for a similar idea.
 * Science and technology needs to be two separate categories.
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 * I suggest Trackback Feature for Wikinews
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Article review
many discussions at: Article review

=Other Disscussion=

Local reporting
I'd like to ask/encourage everyone to watch Indiana over the next week. I think what I'm setting up there could serve as a model for other local reporting sections (at least in the US)...and if you have any suggestions or comments, I'd love to hear them.Kurt Weber 05:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Subject categories
There are categories like Category:Politics and conflicts. But one year from now, it will be not very much interesting, I am afraid. It will become a box in which ancient and latest news sit together, mostly undistinguishable.

I want to suggest that the major subject categories that correspond to the Main page subject classification (Politics and conflicts, Sports, Culture and Entertainment, Science and technology, etc. ) have "Category:Subjectname_Monthname,_Year" format.

How do you think? Tomos 19:58, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Like "Category: Politics and Conflicts (December 2004)"?

 * It could work, but I can see some problems with the idea. Firstly, there are events that cover more than one month (multi-day news events like elections, battles, and revolutions), what category would they be put in?  The other problem is that at the beginning of the month, the lists would be practically empty, so a new user surfing in would probably conclude that there's not much of anything here.

 * I suppose an ideal solution would be to have a page with all the stories from, say, the last month listed, sorted by publishing date. Unfortunately, I don't think there's an automated mechanism in Wikimedia that will handle such a thing, and having to manually maintain a large number of lists with a large number of items like that would be quite a lot of work.

 * Don't get me wrong, the core of the idea is good, it just needs development. Lankiveil 02:43, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I suggest that pages (like just Politics and conflicts) should be the current events, while categories (like Category:Politics and conflicts) collect events for a month or a year and then get moved by a (not yet made) bot to a "Category:Blah (2004)". This way we can always keep pages up to date; categories are places to get a full list of stories (and in theory down the line we'll be using more specific categories). -- IlyaHaykinson 06:47, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I mostly agree with IlyaHaykinson's idea, though it may not solve problems Lankiveil pointed out.
 * For the events spanning multiple months, the only solution I can think of is to categorize some articles into multiple months. This is not an elegant solution at all, I have to admit, but doable.
 * For the problem of category looking too empty at the beginning of a month, we can simply do what we do at the date category page - to link previous & next months. (An example of date category Category:December 1, 2004).
 * Alternatively, we can use Qarterly category, like Category:Sports_(1Q2004).
 * I have a feeling that categories are mostly for production purposes, not presentation. That is, we need to categorize (index) articles mostly in order to efficiently list them at subject portal pages (like Politics and conflicts), special coverage portals (like Ukrainian political crisis). These pages are for presentation to readers.
 * I also have a feeling that newbies do not necessarily know or care about category feature & how to use it. So it is a work of non-newbie Wikinews editors.
 * These issues are probably best solved by coding like a Mediawiki feature. But what kind of feature is good? I don't know yet. I made a feature request to boolean search pages using categories. It could solve some of the issues, but not all. Tomos 08:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Focus on community building
I think in the next few weeks, we should focus on building a large, active community of editors, not necessarily on creating top notch articles (though we should take care to tag articles which have problems). I have therefore greatly simplified the article development process.--Eloquence 04:05, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

= Recent comments =

When Wikinews is not news
I fear editors here are taking a Wikipedicentric view of articles and not recognizing that consumers of news rarely go back to an article written days (or even hours) ago. And almost NEVER go back and re-read an article already viewed. That is why it is odd to me that people continue to update already-published days-old articles (reports) instead of writing a new article with a fresh angle. This isn't WP - it's WN - and we need to realize that the audience will not change the way it reads news to accommodate our little project or desire to make an older article better or "more complete." So, we'd better change the way we think of articles to accommodate our readers. If an article is a day old and you have new information, write a NEW article with that new information as the lead. Davodd 02:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I notice that a lot of mainstream news sites recycle material from earlier stories in follow up stories. When a follow up story doesn't stand on its own, it seems like a good idea to recycle a portion of the original story, in addition to providing a link to the previous story in a "Related Stories" section. I'm curious if anyone else thinks this recycling practice is acceptable, or how one should decide what to recycle. — DV 07:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * 1. (linking to previous articles) Value of a story increases when it becomes a part of a continuous coverage or special report. See, for example Lycos Europe ends its anti-spam campaign, Ukraine political crisis. Many people read/watch/listen to news sporadically, rather than daily, and that means having an archive of related stories would help them.
 * 2. (editing old articles) I do understand your concern that editing days-old articles is less valuable. But if we were to give up old articles, would we simply keep them as incomplete/biased/inaccurate? Would we delete them? Either option does not sound very attractive, and I sometimes feel like polishing them is the best choice. But I could be wrong on this. I am interested to know what others think. Tomos 08:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It is common practice (and helpful to the reader) when writing a follow-up story, to recap background details later on in the story. My suggestion: To write a followup, then have a links section to related articles (or previous news on the same topic). Davodd 09:42, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we need to edit stories that are incorrect, biased, etc. Articles that don't fit our content or style criteria should be changed. However, if there is new news since the time the original article was written, that should be a separate article. If there's enough of these articles, we should probably have what I'm terming an "In Depth" topic page — like our current page on the tsunami disaster. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:38, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Do you think the in-depth type of story would be more appropriate at Wikipedia? If not, what would distinguish a WN in-depth feature from being a duplicate or in competition with a WP article? Isn't it a waste of resources, when we could just as easily point to WP for in-depth rather that try to duplicate that type of breadth here? Davodd 09:47, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I think the in-depth pages need to summarize the current event (after all, in theory Wikipedia should not be doing that — that's Wikinews's job; an encyclopedia's primary job is not news), but more specifically the in-depth page should be linking to the individual articles in a timeline fashion, showing how the news developed. It's not the best example because it's incomplete, but Ukraine political crisis kind of shows what I am referring to. I firmly believe that when people show up at Wikinews they will want context for their stories and we need to provide them such context without relying on Wikipedia to be as up to date on issues as we will be (especially when this deals with more local issues). -- IlyaHaykinson 10:47, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure this is the case. I can see two main ways in which people will access Wikinews.  One is by bookmarking the main page, and logging in daily to read the latest news.  The second is to follow a particular story.  For example I'm regularly reloading the Indian Ocean Earthquake page at the moment.  It would be even better if each page had an associated RSS feed that I could subscribe to so I would know when pages I was interested in had been updated.  Both options have merits.  There is no point having access to an old version of the Indian Ocean Earthquake page in my view - this is the 'overview' or summary page of the incident as it unfolds.  This is not print - we don't have to reprint the page every time there's an update.  This is not broadcast news - it is possible to re-edit old news.  This is what Wikinews should take advantage of.  However there will be plenty of spin-off stories that will deserve their own pages (lack of news in Myanmar, relief response, local stories etc etc... and they should all be linked to from the overview page as well as standing up in their own right.  Karim 09:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Sure, mistakes should be corrected. My fear is that the vision you present of Wikinews could put it in direct competition with Wikipedia as being a repository of information on non-breaking news items. I believe the strength of this project is that it can be a breaking news source that taps into the huge population of Internet users who can give timely, up-to-the-minute reports from every corner of the globe. The main weakness of Wikinews that I sense from some editors here is a dot-com-era type of arrogance that "the old ways" of journalism are outdated and do not apply here. They do. Wikipedia is Internet news - and it is competing with thousands of voices (as can be seen on ) and our older articles will be lost in the rush. It's a fact of life we must recognize. That said, I believe that our old articles will be very valuable as "clippings" or resources for Wikipedia. Davodd

 * The wikipedia article on THE earthquake is better than the wikinews one. Further, the wikinews one appears to be essentially an OLDER version of the Wikipedia article - rather than the other way around. Something is very off here.  At first I thought maybe wikinews should be a subset of wikipedia, just have "current news" labeled wikipedia articles formated automaticlly onto a wikinews place/site/skin/whatever. Then I saw Davodd's comments and I thought maybe a 24 hour timeout thing might work. Perhaps like this: Any article created on wikinews disappears from wikinews after 24 hours, but goes to wikipedia for archive/deletion/whatever. Maybe identifying where it goes after 24 hours could be part of the article, like the title and its subject categoriy. ( And on a different area of concern about wikinews altogether - PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE PRODUCT PLACEMENT WITH NEWS (e.g. "Microsoft announces ".) -- anonymous

 * Unfortunately, the "newer" article on Wikipedia has also been prone to wild speculation and unsupported numbers. This type of sensationalism will be deadly for Wikinews.

 * I challenged the one user here who merely copied numbers from Wikipedia to provide a citation, as Wikipedia cannot be relied upon as a primary source. Unfortunately, he came and left.

 * We have to cite numbers that either come directly from officials of the affected countries, or from news organizations with reporters that are directly confirming their numbers with those officials.

 * Otherwise we have zero credibility.

 * I rather wait and have a slightly "older" article than Wikipedia, if that's what it takes to get the numbers right.

 * However, if we had more firsthand reporting (there was a Wikipedian from Chennai who posted some of the pictures) we would have a much more compelling story to tell without having to resort to speculating on "feared dead" numbers, (or posting dubious relief agency addresses and phone numbers), just to keep our article "newer" than everyone else.

 * I hope we're not so compelled to get the "scoop" over Wikipedia that we lower our what little standards we have so far.

 * — DV 12:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Source accreditation
 (from Wiki-No-News above)

 * 3. How do you attribute articles that are difficult to attribute? This is a problem not just for original articles but also for any reference to off-line media.  If I post an article that references a local newspaper that is not online - how does that get attributed.  What about the minutes of a town hall meeting etc etc.?  I think you need at least two elements:  1) You MUST be able to interact with the author - thus sources not immediately attributable must have a user name with an email contact address on their user page. This doesn't have to be their real name or primary email, but they must be contactable for verification purposes. 2) There should be a way of flagging references/ sources as verified or unverified to allow readers to make up their own minds as to how they interpret an article.  Perhaps some sort of traffic-light code or something. As other writers corroborate this the verification status can be changed. (Karim)

 * Great points. I really like the idea of attributed/unattributed tags on sources. In terms of the author interaction, I know I was thinking that if we accredited reporters, that they would be required to give an e-mail address and name with their accredidation. Would that do the trick for you? DE is working like this, and it seems to do pretty well for them so far. (Lyellin)

Lyellin. Yes this would work, except I'm not sure how one person or group 'accredits' a reporter. Certainly I think providing a contact email is the minimum requirement. I think after that a writer's accreditation will be more a matter of his/her reputation. The more a writer submits, the more their pieces are corroborrated, the more their 'reputation' grows and the more confidence people will have in them. I'm not sure whether this should be implicit, or some sort of explicit system such as on eBay, Shalshdot etc. Perhaps each user should have a colour-coded 'reputation' that appears next to their username? Karim 09:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Categories and topic pages
I've posted a proposed policy for categories, topic pages and managing latest news for pages other than the main page. Please see it at Categories and topic pages. I've updated site news too (but the sitenotice is protected, so I can't change the date last updated) -- IlyaHaykinson 10:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What benefit does Wikinews provide, redundancy aside?
Ok, so we have the wikipedia article on the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, and the Wikinews article on Strongest earthquake in 40 years hits Southeast Asia. We have the wikipedia template for current events, and we have a likewise disclaimer on wikinews for current events. Both are articles, both are NPOV. The Wikipedia article is vastly better and provides more information. The Wikinews article links to a bunch of wikipedia articles and copies the content, simply writing it in a different style. Further, Wikipedia has on its main page an "In the news" section, and those articles are updated to reflect the changes. In addition, Wikipedia has a current events page.

So essentially, we have two wikis reporting the same information in likewise articles that are simply written differently. I don't see the point. I'd rather see all of our resources pooled to the other projects rather than continuous and unnecessary decentralization. This project defeats one of Wikipedia's biggest advantages: it is accurate up to the second. (maybe that sounds like a pipedream ideology but just you wait a few years) --Alterego 07:58, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My take is that Wikipedia is good for writing a large issue, long-term events, etc. Things like local news and small news stories are not good for Wikipedia. See list of articles on Science and technology, or Category:Politics and conflicts, for example. Many of them do not find any place in Wikipedia because they are not encyclopediac enough. Tomos 08:24, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Wikipedia's strength are for historically significant news items and for reasonably 'static' data. Wikinews feels like it's strength would be in topical and volatile items - stuff that needs a lot of detail today but loses all relevance after a week or so. If an article grows and starts treating the topic comprehensively, then that's probably a good candidate for migrating it over into Wikipedia. BryceHarrington 09:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The main answer to the question presented is: Wikinews is news; Wikipedia is history. Sure there will be some overlap of subject matter, but the emphasis and calling for each project is different. Davodd | Talk 23:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Wikinews should post detailed information about every single event related to the earthquake, while Wikipedia should contain summaries of these events (which could link to the Wikinews articles). I think we should not have "report" type pages on Wikinews that are very similar to Wikipedia articles.--Eloquence

Index Page Navigation
Very exciting and important project, my respects to everyone's obvious hard work. My first impression as a news consumer and webdesigner is that the index page offers a lot more access to the mechanics of producing the news than it does to the news itself. This means I had to go hunting to find the actual news and it took me a while to understand I was expected to scroll right down the page to get to the site content. Could we please have links to all the major sections - not just spread out on the index page - grouped as a menu section up in the first screen? This would mean having links to

Latest News/ Ongoing Reports/ Special Reports

Politics and conflicts/ Economy and business/ Science and technology/ Disasters and accidents/ Crime and law/ Environment/ Health/ Culture and entertainment/ Sport/ Obituaries/ Weather

 Regions: N America/ S America/ Europe/ Africa/ Middle East/ Asia/ Oceania

 Wikinews editing: News in Brief/ Ongoing Disputes/Editing Needed/ Requested Articles

--Shan-UK 10:51, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * These types of suggestions have been discussed before, but didn't get far because the site was too new, and later on because of the page protection.

 * (Unfortunately vandals made it necessary to protect the main page, so most of us can't improve the layout of the main page without getting an Admin's permission.)

 * I'm working on a "sandbox page" right now, where I plan to show a better page design to the Admins.

 * I'll post a link once I have a sandbox page that is worth taking a look at.

 * — DV 16:17, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I set up a sandbox for the Main Page to illustrate an improved layout that addresses some of the points you made.

 * Please check it out and let me know what you think on the Main Page sandbox discussion page.

 * Thanks for your constructive feedback.

 * — DV 20:21, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks DV (damn holidays taking all my time). I'm trying to stay abreast of this and will put up any changes as soon as people want them up . Sorry that it had to be protected :(. Lyellin 23:42, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

--Carlosar 00:05, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC) I have a general idea to the Developing stories here
 * Great ideas. I left comments on the talk page. Davodd | Talk 01:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Database Corruption?
Is anyone else seeing Francisco Melendez as the last editor in this page history? More discussion of this apparent database corruption here.

Speedy Deletion Policy
I have created (well, copied from en.wikipedia) a speedy deletion policy. You can see it here: Policies and guidelines/Deletion guidelines/Speedy deletion. Please let me know what you think about it. Lankiveil 07:49, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC).

Local reporting--different policies?
As we start to branch into local reporting, is there any objection to the WN communities that arise around those local areas establish their own policies that may differ from the broader WN ones?Kurt Weber 19:59, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Use of IRC to set Wikinews policy
I am uncormforatable about a recent trend to rely upon chats in the Wikinews IRC channel as policy-making sessions for Wikinews. There are no written records kept of such meetings and community participation in IRC is sporadic. So in reality no true sense of a community consensus can be gotten from IRC participation. IRC is, on the other hand, a great way to quickly discuss an issue between or among a small group of folks. But as for official WN policy? I hope not. -- Davodd | Talk 00:32, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it sometimes happens that folks discuss things on IRC leading to productive results. However, if proposed policy emerges from such chat sessions, they need to be logged and archived on the site (see Wikinews/IRC_meeting_Oct_27 for an example of a log of a meeting). -- IlyaHaykinson 01:17, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I raised a big stink about setting policy on IRC on Wikipedia, as I am a big proponent of open meeting laws to force policy-makers to allow the community to participate.

 * However, the best I got out of the discussion was an invitation to hang out on IRC. :)

 * (The reasoning seems to be that IRC is open to everyone should they have the desire to lurk there.)

 * However, for those of us who have no desire to hang around in a chat room, I hope if any policy discussions are held on IRC, that someone will do the rest of us the courtesy of posting a log of that discussion (as Ilya has done above), as we need to be careful to prevent the classic small-town phenomenon of town meetings that are only held for show, where it is obvious that a discussion was held somewhere else to organize a block of votes, and the rest of the community members in attendance are left wondering why it appears that everything has already been decided everytime they bother to show up for the official town meeting.

 * I realize that there is no way to enforce this, and if you enjoy discussing Wikinews on IRC, that's your business, but I hope folks will see the wisdom of keeping any policy discussions as open as possible.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 03:25, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, while IRC is a good place to talk shop, it's hardly a good place to set policy. I think that any proposed policy new should be listed here in the Water Cooler and discussed, before it's adopted. Lankiveil 03:38, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC).

 * I also agree on this. And those who discuss things on IRC should be encouraged to report the results so that others can join on Wikinews.
 * An exception, sort of, I can think of is that when there is some emergency, for example a wave of vandals or a very urgent deletion request related to privacy& stalking, it is good that administrators or whoever dealing with that decide on things based on discussions with others on IRC than act unilaterally. Tomos 03:47, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I have a major problem with the current model of policy development on Wikinews. For example, this page sucks. There are more than 80 sub-sections. Unless you are constantly patrolling (easier to do in IRC, btw), you cannot keep abreast of the policy discussions. I also have found almost no attempts to develop consensus; instead, divisive polls with, as often as not, nearly deadlocked votes, are used to enforce a "democratic" model of majority tyrany.
 * I do not have a specific solution for this problem, other than to massively cut the clutter, build a more complex but easier-to-navigate system of letting the contributors know about policy discussions. And develop consensus, not majority rules. - Amgine 06:50, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The "patrolled" feature
Has anyone else noticed the exclamation points marking "unpatrolled" edits? More discussion here.

Tsunami Relief
Just a suggestion from a "newbie" on blogs: What if we start a groundswell suggesting that President Bush take two unprecedented stands to help the tsunami victims AND take a giant step towards peace in the Mid-East:
 * 1) Have a small, simple swearing-in ceremony and send the $$millions NOT spent on an elaborate inaugeration to the tsunami destroyed countries.
 * 2) Call on the warring factions in the entire Middle East (Arabs, Palestinians, Israelis) to cease fighting and send aid to their Muslim brothers and sisters in the tsunami-stricken countries.

(above edit from an anonymous IP address)

 * While these are pleasant suggestions, Wikinews is not a political advocacy organization.

 * Also, it's my understanding that the American presidential inauguration ceremony is being funded by private individuals and organizations, so President Bush does not directly control that money.

 * Perhaps if you could find a notable organization that is advocating the above proposal, Wikinews could publish a story about that organization's efforts should they have success with generating support for these ideas.

 * — DV 07:20, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * In case anyone doubts my support of newbies around here...

 * It appears that "Grandma Pepper" has company in the "jet set".

 * Mr. Cuban is hardly a charitable organization, but it's the best I could do on short notice. :)

 * — DV 19:50, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Help! The water cooler is too full!
This page is over 200K in size, and my browser is about to crash from editing this page!

Candidates for Admin (you know who you are :) will receive my accolades for helping to move some of these discussions onto subpages.

— DV 07:29, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I pruned it a little. -- Davodd | Talk 11:14, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Water cooler, FAQ
I feel this page is not easy to use for discussions, which is why policy decision making is being ignored or being done by a very limited group of the contributors. I have created a model of this page which will be easier to maintain, which keeps all the messages available on the Water cooler, and which may improve participation. It may be viewed at User:Amgine/Sandbox2. - Amgine 07:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The FAQ did not exist as of a couple hours ago. This is directly linked by a couple of skins, and is a more appropriate repository than the Water cooler. (It could also be included on this page simply with ) - Amgine 07:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. My edits last night were a first step in creating such a FAQ (and an attempt to wittle down the size of this beast). Be bold with your ideas. -- Davodd | Talk 07:37, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I created a beta verson of a community portal - "the newsroom"
Over the past few days there have been numerous requests (mostly resulting from talks with Tsunami Help folk) that Wikinews have a centralized community portal set up in an easy-to-use format for new users. I've taken a stab at it to create the newsroom for wikijournalists. I borrowed heavily from Wikipedia, but I'm sure as more people start improvng it, our community portal will evolve into its own "Wikinews"-flovored beast. Please visit The newsroom and leave your comments, suggestions and the like on its talk page. Also feel free to tweak it or boldly edit it to make it better serve the community. -- Davodd | Talk 08:02, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Other languages?
Does anyone else have an opinion about the posting of articles in French? More discussion on this topic here.

Suggestion of Trackback Feature

 * I suggest to implement a Trackback Feature, for example by Haloscan or a corresponding Open-Source Project. On could easily relate to the News and achieve a better connection with Blog-World.--Monet 20:29, 4. Jan 2005 (UTC)

New tool on IRC
We have secured a Recent Changes bot on IRC at. This can allow real-time patrolling of recent changes, and hopefully quick notice of vandalism.

One item I'll be requesting is an upgrade of the bot to link to the patrol difs, so edits may be marked as patrolled. - Amgine 03:26, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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