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October 18, 2009 Ali Bongo Ondimba was sworn in as the president of the African country of Gabon on Friday, after winning the August 30 presidential elections. He took the oath of office in the capital Libreville, at the Presidential Palace.

"I swear to use all my efforts for the good of the people of Gabon, to ensure their well-being and protect them, to respect and defend the Constitution and guarantee freedom, to consciously carry out my duties and ensure justice for all," he said at the inauguration, raising his right hand.

In a speech, Bongo said that he wanted to put an end to injustice and corruption. "I wish for a Gabon free from corruption and injustice, I wish for a Gabon where the elites move freely and more of them come up, I wish for a Gabon where merit is appreciated, and where the right punishment is given to those who break the law," he said in front of a crowd of invited guests.

Bongo was sworn in four days after the country's constitutional court confirmed his victory in the presidential elections, which had been challenged by nine of the opposition candidates, alleging fraud.

Bongo had won 42% of the vote, official results said. Most independent electoral observers said they thought that the elections were fair.

Bongo, aged 50, is the son of Omar Bongo, who was the leader of Gabon for four decades before he died this June.


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Pakistani military launches ground offensive against Taliban and al-Qaeda

October 19, 2009

Pakistani officials say the military has launched its much anticipated ground offensive against the and al-Qaeda in the  tribal region. Fierce fighting has broken out and dozens of casualties are reported on both sides.

This mountainous district forms part of the Afghan border, which United States officials call the most dangerous place in the world. It is considered to be a stronghold for the Taliban. An attack by US drones on this area killed the former Pakistani Taliban chief and it shelters the new leader. It is also has training camps for suicide bombers. The US has put pressure on the Pakistani government to deal with militancy in the area.

30,000 troops which had been moved into the area over the past few months moved out of their bases in and around South Waziristan on Saturday, hours after top military and political leaders were briefed by army chief General in the capital,. The troops advanced north towards the stronghold of, west towards ,  and , and east towards ,.

Pakistan has experienced a wave of terror attacks, including suicide blasts targeting international and security organizations, coordinated attacks around the country's cultural center, Lahore, and an assault on the army's headquarters near Islamabad. Some 175 people have died in the past two weeks. The government has blamed the Pakistani Taliban, which is based in South Waziristan, for the violence.

"The recent upsurge of terror incidents in the country were condemned and it was agreed that these elements pose a serious threat to the sovereignty and integrity of the state [...] In the given circumstances, the national consensus is reaffirmed to establish and maintain the writ of the state to weed out these elements," said Pakistani Prime Minister.

Hours ahead of Saturday's offensive, Pakistani authorities imposed a curfew and turned off mobile phone service in parts of South Waziristan in the district of, as well as in and.

Despite the military's superiority in numbers, former security chief of the tribal regions, Mahmood Shah, told the (VOA) news agency it would not be an easy battle. "This 30,000 against 10,000 is a conventional battle," he said. "The militants do not fight conventional battles." He also said he expects the military will face an enemy deeply entrenched in the mountainous and remote region. He also cautions that militants will likely launch suicide attacks elsewhere.

Top army spokesman Major General has stated that the offensive could last up to two months, but that because of impending climatic conditions they would try to complete the attack by snowfall. A formal announcement on the start of the operation is expected by Prime Minister Gilani.

Officials have said that four soldiers were wounded during clashes and that remote-controlled bomb attacks killed two soldiers in and one in South Waziristan. The three soldiers' bodies have been taken to. There are also unconfirmed reports of militant deaths.

A senior military official has said that initially the objective is to establish footholds, but that they would mobilise three divisions of the military, paramilitary and police, with the final total rising up to 60,000 troops. According to a senior government official in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt, the objective is to remove all militants from the area. He also said that "[t]his has been in the works for a long time. It was only a question of timing and the timing was decided. Troops were in place and they moved in."

This is not the first time the military has launched an offensive in the tribal region. But those previous operations were not successful, mainly because militants killed sympathetic tribal leaders and opposition political parties refused to offer their support.

Experts estimate the number of militants between 10,000 and 12,000 from the movement in South Waziristan and up to 25,000 across Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt, with up to 5,000  fighters supporting the Taliban.

For the past several months since the anti-Taliban offensive in and around Swat Valley, the military has built up its forces around South Waziristan.

Manuel Bessler, head of the United Nations's Office for Coordinating Humanitarian Affairs in Pakistan, told Voice of America that many civilians have fled the area. "We had IDPs, internally displaced people, since May about 77,000, up to 80,000," he said. "Now with this more intense fighting and military operation inside [South] Waziristan, we have a daily outflow of 70 to 100 families from the area." Official figures put at 90,000 the people displaced from South Waziristan since August.


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33 killed by firecracker blaze in India

October 18, 2009 At least 33 people in the Tamil Nadu state of India were killed on Friday after an explosion set fire to a firecracker warehouse, police said.

The blaze started in the town of Pallipatu, located about forty kilometres from the state capital of Chennai.

"We have recovered 33 charred bodies," a senior police official, C. Durairaj, said to the Agence France-Presse news agency.

He said that six more people had been hurt and were hospitalised. Many of the victims were people purchasing firecrackers ahead of the Hindu festival of lights, Diwali.

The fire began at a rice mill that had been temporarily converted into a warehouse for firecrackers. "The explosion was triggered by a firecracker which burst in the congested warehouse and people did not have time to escape," Durairaj said.

Fires are frequent in India in factories and warehouses storing firecrackers, due in part to relaxed safety standards. No less than seventeen people were killed at another fireworks factory in Tamil Nadu earlier in 2009. In 2007, 32 people were killed by a fire in the state of Bihar.

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Some people might say or think that this is extreme and have nothing to do with religious teachings, maybe not,("the bible does not teach how to fire an AK47") thats for sure, but enables people to think they have the divine right to do whatever they want, and we know that if they bible is good for something? is for justifying crime abuse and death.

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One million protest against Spanish abortion liberalisation

October 17, 2009

According to organisers, more than one million people have marched across Madrid, Spain to oppose plans to liberalise abortion law. Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero wants to introduce abortion on demand, allowing women as young as 16 to have abortions without their parents' consent. Currently women may only terminate pregnancies in the predominantly Catholic country under specific circumstances.

The 1.5-kilometer (one-mile) march contained members from 42 religious and civil society groups, with 600 buses and several planes used to bring anti-abortion supporters, according to organisers. The protest was also supported by the conservative opposition People's Party and the Roman Catholic Church.

The march started under a banner emblazoned with "Every Life Matters", and tens of thousands of supporters carried banners and flags with "For Life, Women and Motherhood" and "Women Against Abortion" and "Madrid 2009, Capital of Life", along the route to the Plaza de Independencia, where many more waited.

A spokesman for one of the rally organiser, HazteOir (Make Yourself Heard), reported that approximately 1.5 million people had participated in the rally and march. The Madrid regional government put the figures at around 1.2 million.

The supporters want the government to withdraw the draft law currently up for debate in the parliament in November, which would introduce abortion on demand within the first 14 weeks of a pregnancy, based on laws currently in place in most other European Union countries. It would replace Spain's law introduced in 1985, which allows abortion in cases of rape, when there are signs of foetal abnormality, or when a woman's physical or psychological health is at risk. This latter category has been used to justify 112,000 abortions in 2007, a majority of which occurred in Spain.

"This new law is a barbarity. In this country, they protect animals more than human beings," said Jose Carlos Felicidad, aged 67, a retired naval technician, who had come to the rally in Madrid from the town of Algeciras.

Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero spoke in defence of the draft law, saying the state should not "intervene in the free and private decision of a woman, who is the one who has to take on the responsibility of a pregnancy during her entire life." According to the government, the law is about respect and women's rights, and that alternatives will be explained first to anyone wishing to terminate a pregnancy. It also said that the new law will make abortion less dangerous, by making sure that the procedure is not done after 22 weeks.

The prime minister has passed a series of social reforms since he came to power in 2004. Among them were measures to legalise gay marriage, give more rights to transsexuals, and permit fast-track divorces.


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Democratic Republic of Congo: UN expert accuses soldiers of killing 50 Hutu refugees in North Kivu

October 18, 2009 Soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of Congo (FARDC) allegedly killed 50 Rwandan, refugees and kidnapped some 40 women who were victims of gang rape, according to a United Nations special report on extrajudicial executions.

The FARDC allegedly attacked a makeshift camp for Rwandan Hutu refugees on April 26, 2009 at Shalio in North Kivu, reported Philip Alston of the UN during a press conference in Kinshasa. The FARDC surrounded the camp, shot and beat to death at least 50 refugees and burned the camp.

"A small group of 10 [women] who escaped described being gang raped, and had severe injuries — some had chunks of their breasts hacked off," said Alston. The military operation conducted by the FARDC, with the support of the UN Mission in DRC (MONUC) against Rwandan Hutu rebels, has been « une catastrophe, un désastre en matière des droits de l'Homme » ("a catastrophe, a disaster in terms of human rights,") he added.

The statement comes as the High Commissioner of UN for Refugees and Deputy US Secretary of State for Humanitarian Affairs  are visiting the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo.


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Bull moose shot by police in Alaska

October 18, 2009

University of Alaska Anchorage campus police shot a bull moose on Thursday after it became entangled within fencing material.

The animal was reportedly in an "agitated state" when it got its antlers stuck in a fence used to support young trees. Attempting to free itself, the moose struggled as it began moving towards the campus's Fine Arts Building. Police blocked off the area and alerted the Alaska Department of Fish and Game before they shot the bull as it became an "imminent threat".

Police chief Dale Pittman said that the preferred method of taking down the animal was with tranquilizers, but the university's police are not trained to use such drugs.

Pittman said, "In order to keep our community safe, UAA Police made the decision to put the animal down rather than risk injuries or human death as a result of a moose-human encounter". He added, "We do not like having to use deadly force, even on animals".

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I think the whole thing was unnecessary. But then Palin hunts from a helicopter.
 * She doesn't represent us Alaskans anymore, y'know. She didn't even before she quit. —66.58.209.27 (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

didn't have to be shot and killed.
they could have used some sort of tranqlizer or something to help the moose get free and let him go back into the wilderness.

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 * They weren't trained in the use of tranquilizers. --99.65.196.167 (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * i know i read that but still they could have used some other sort of positive action... 72.73.65.104 (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Once the moose became a threat to people on campus, there was no other option than to take it down. – Juliancolton  | Talk 15:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose so it just seems cruel to kill a innocent animal. But I guess the moose got caught in some fencing and became a "threat" to humans. 72.73.65.104 (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't get my wrong, I agree, but the safety of people needs to come first. – Juliancolton  | Talk 16:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear ya Julian they had to do what they had to do there are plenty of moose in Alaska and safety for humans is key. 72.73.65.104 (talk) 16:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Certainly hope this animal feeds many.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.31.186 (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
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Gun battle between gang members and police kills 12 in Rio de Janeiro

October 18, 2009

Two policemen were killed after gang members shot down their helicopter during a battle with police in Rio de Janerio, Brazil. Twelve people were killed on the ground, including two civilians. Ten of those are said to have been gang members.

According to military police commander Mario Sergio Duarte, the pilot was shot in the leg by a gang member from the ground. The pilot then attempted an emergency landing, but lost control crashing into a football field, setting the helicopter ablaze. The pilot and one other policemen were able to escape the wreckage with minor injuries.

Officials say the fighting started on Saturday when a gang from the Morro do São João Favela attempted to invade and seize control of the neighboring favela Morro dos Macacos. The Comando Vermelho gang attempted to take the neighboring favela, a territory operated by the Amigo dos Amigos gang when police intervened.

At least 100 police officers and Special Police Operations Battalion troops continued the gunfight with the alleged gang members on the ground after the helicopter crashed. The alleged gang members then set as many as nine buses ablaze in response to police intrusion. Fabio Nascimento, a bus driver who had his bus set on fire, said to Agence France-Presse that as many as 15 armed masked men forced him and the passengers to leave the bus, yelling at them to "get out, get out, we are going to light it on fire!"

Officials say that Saturday's battle was the worst in Rio since the city was named the host city of the 2016 Olympic Games two weeks ago. In Rio, an estimated 6,000 people were killed in 2008 due to gang-related violence. At least one person was arrested in connection with Saturday's violence.

In an effort to help curb the gang violence in Rio, the Justice Ministry made an offer to Sérgio Cabral, Governor of Rio, to send national guard troops to the city, but the governor denied the request. Cabral said that the city is properly equipped to handle the violence.


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Suicide attack hits Iranian Revolutionary Guard commanders

October 18, 2009

Iran's state-sponsored Fars news agency report at least twenty killed, including senior members of the Revolutionary Guard, and another forty wounded, by a suicide bombing in Pishin, a city in the country's south-eastern Sistan-Baluchistan province. According to the agency, terrorists killed both local tribal heads and senior army officers. "In this terrorist act, General Nur-Ali Shushtari, deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards land army, General Mohammad-Zadeh, commander of the Revolutionary Guards in Sistan-Baluchestan province, the Guards' commander for the town of Iranshahr and the commander of the Amir al-Momenin unit died." According to IRNA, the state news agency, Rajab Ali Mohammadzadeh, the Guard's chief provincial commander, is among those killed.

The commanders were meeting with tribal leaders of Sunni and Shiite communities in the region.

This is the biggest attack against the Revolutionary Guards in recent years. Parliamentary speaker Ali Larijani condemned it live on state radio, and the announcement to parliament was broadcast on television; "[w]e express our condolences for their martyrdom. The intention of the terrorists was definitely to disrupt security in Sistan-Baluchistan Province."

A Revolutionary Guard statement on TV claimed "foreign involvement"; "[s]urely foreign elements, particularly those linked to the global arrogance, were involved in this attack."

The region is predominantly made up of the Sunni Baluchi ethnic group. Some are strongly opposed to the mainly Shiite Iranian government and Shia rule.

In the past, Iran has accused the Jundallah (Soldiers of God) of carrying out terrorist activities in the province, which borders Afghanistan and Pakistan. Although, no clearly identified group claims responsibility for such.


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UN claims over a quarter million human trafficking victims in EU

October 18, 2009 The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) claims there could be nearly 270,000 victims of human trafficking in the European Union (EU) — over thirty times the last estimate from 2006. The UN's figures in the Trafficking in Persons; Analysis on Europe report highlights this and, taking advantage of European Anti-Trafficking Day, they are calling for greater efforts to combat the illegal trade.

Today's announcement aims to bring awareness to the plight of victims, often forced to work illegally in prostitution or labour jobs after being smuggled across borders. Antonio Maria Costa, UNODC executive director, highlighted that few human traffickers are caught, blaming police for not acting sufficiently.

In the six years since the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children came into force, the majority of EU countries have taken measures to criminalise trafficking both for sexual exploitation and forced labour.

Costa highlighted that around one in 100,000 people were convicted for human trafficking in Europe, noting that this figure was less than "for rare crimes like kidnapping." Only 9,000 victims were reported in 2006.

"Perhaps police are not finding the traffickers and victims because they are not looking for them," said Costa.

UNODC asserts the majority of victims are women, forced into prostitution; men are forced to work on building sites or farms, and ten percent of the victims of human trafficking in Europe are children, up from four percent in 2003.

"Lives should not be for sale or for rent on a continent that prohibits slavery and forced labour, and prides itself on upholding human dignity", Costa asserts.


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Hurricane Rick becomes Category 5 storm

October 18, 2009

Hurricane Rick in the Eastern Pacific became an extremely powerful Category 5 hurricane on Saturday, the first in the region since 2002's Hurricane Kenna. Rick had winds of 180 mph (285 km/h), making it the second-strongest East Pacific tropical cyclone on record, but has since weakened slightly.

The storm is currently situated about 500 miles south-southeast of Cabo San Lucas, and is moving west-northwestward. Forecasters say Rick will eventually take a turn towards the northeast, bringing it towards the southern of Mexico. Officials advise residents throughout the region to keep a close eye on the storm's progress over the coming days.

The storm formed just a few days ago, and quickly grew to an extremely dangerous Category 5 cyclone. "Rick is probably going to go into the record books as one of the most rapidly intensifying hurricanes," said Hugh Cobb, a forecaster.

Rick is the seventeenth named storm of the 2009 Pacific hurricane season.

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a suicide attack against the iranian revolutionary guard commanders, it seems the violence in Iran and the middle east will go on for awhile only can hope for peace. 72.73.65.104 (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


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Uhhm according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Richard_Landis, Landis is not alive.

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Mark Webber wins 2009 Brazilian Grand Prix, Jenson Button and Brawn win championship

October 19, 2009

Red Bull driver Mark Webber won the FIA Formula One 2009 Grande Prêmio Petrobras do Brasil Saturday at Autódromo José Carlos Pace, São Paulo, Brazil.

Robert Kubica came in second for BMW Sauber, and Lewis Hamilton finished third for McLaren.

Webber's teammate Sebastian Vettel started from 15th place on the starting grid after he couldn't come up from the first qualification session, but finished 4th in front of his championship rival.

Brawn Grand Prix driver Jenson Button finished 5th to win his title. His team, representing the remnants of Honda Racing, also won the 2009 Constructors' championship after leading through the season.

The team's road to victory was not smooth — a scandal broke with the "double-decker diffuser" of the BGP001 car. After the FIA declared them legal and other teams started to borrow the idea, Brawn sped up by collecting points on the way to the title.

Kimi Räikkönen (Ferrari) and Sébastien Buemi (Toro Rosso) dropped one place from the starting grid and finished behind Button.

Button's teammate and possible vice-champion Rubens Barrichello, who won pole position on his home soil after nearly three hours of a long rainy qualification session, had a tire puncture on the dying laps of the race and was forced to make an unscheduled third visit to his pit. He closed in the top eight.

This Brazil GP featured Japanese rookie driver, Kamui Kobayashi (Toyota), who replaced recovering Glock. In his first race this young driver qualified 11th and finished 10th in the race.

Adrian Sutil qualified 3rd for Force India, but was taken out by Jarno Trulli (Toyota) on the first lap.

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Philippines prepares for new typhoon

October 18, 2009

The Philippines has stockpiled emergency supplies and put rescue teams on a standby in preparation for Typhoon Lupit, which is expected to hit the country by Wednesday. It comes only weeks after several other typhoons, which killed almost a thousand people and displaced millions.

The government weather service announced that the outer areas of the storm could affect, the country's main island, and have winds up to 175 kilometres per hour.

Lupit's eye remained in the same area for several hours on Sunday, about 1,000 kilometres from the eastern shores of Luzon; however, meteorologists predict the storm could move closer to the Philippines.

A weather service chief said that areas vulnerable to flooding should be evacuated. "Those in critical areas should be evacuated now that there is still time. It would be more difficult to rescue people in the middle of a typhoon," said Prisco Nilo.

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Hola Ezarate, felizmente su nota está ahora publicada. Arreglé un poquitín la traducción desde el español, lo revisé y consulté a otro revisador que lo publicara (ya que con tanto cambio que le hice, no podía hacerlo yo). Saludos, y gracias por contribuír a Wikinews. Diego Grez return fire 23:27, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Gracias por todo y perdón por las molestias Esteban (talk) 00:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, para nada, ¡fué un agrado! Diego Grez return fire 00:23, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

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Please don't move articles into the review process unless the issues associated with its discussion page are fixed. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Conductor Jeffrey Tate dies aged 74
Published (just under the wire). Review comments; . --Pi zero (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!, I''ll go to continue practising. Regards!! --Esteban (talk) 01:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl dies aged 87
Awfully sorry we didn't get to this. --Pi zero (talk) 03:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Hi. There is a difficulty with the article as you revised and resubmitted it.
 * What is on the page now is, effectively, two separate articles on one page. We need to have one article.  It may contain most or all of the same content, but it needs to be organized as one article.  As it should be, the first paragraph — the lede — is a brief summary of the focal event; it should succinctly answer as many as reasonably possible of the five Ws and an H about the focal event, and in the process it should show that the focal event is newsworthy; I don't think there's a problem with newsworthiness as long as you mention the day of the funeral (which you do, atm).  Then additional paragraphs provide details and background.  There are different ways of arranging the later paragraphs; one might describe the funeral, then the death, then give the obituary information about Kohl's life; or one might put those things in some different order; but it all ought to flow well, when read through from start to finish.
 * I'm going to not-ready the article, to make everyone aware of the need to revise. --Pi zero (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'm trying to learn. Regards!!! Esteban  (talk) 22:03, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

European Union conducts State Funeral for ex-German chancellor Helmut Kohl
I have some thoughts I'd like to share, about this.
 * Not every article works out. It's frustrating all around when one doesn't.  In this case, I see that you put much effort into it.  Reviewer acagastya also put much effort in, yesterday, but things didn't come out as hoped.  There is a bit of advice sometimes given, at en.wn, that I recall a Wikinewsie once phrased as "Don't marry the article."  That is, do your best by an article, but at some point it will either succeed or fail, and either way, you will have to let it go and move on to the next article.  When things go wrong — and, for that matter, when things go right — you want to learn all you can from the experience, so you can take those lessons with you to future articles.
 * In this case, from what I understand, here are some things that caused problems. (I wasn't the reviewer, so I'm not completely sure I understood correctly.)
 * When preparing a synthesis article, once a focal event is chosen, before starting to write, choose at least two mutually independent trust-worthy sources that corroborate the focal event, and read them all before starting to write.
 * Although the information all comes from the sources (otherwise the article wouldn't be synthesis), the form in which it's presented must be original. The usual way of saying this is "use your own words", which is admittedly a frustrating way to put it.  If you don't already know what is meant, being told to "use your own words" probably won't help.  There is some compact advice on how to do this at WN:PILLARS.  This is one of the reasons to read multiple sources before starting to write:  it's easier tp say things in an entirely different way if one has already seen them said in multiple ways.
 * I take it there were some criticisms (not just by the reviewer) that the treatment was biased by its choice of what to say and what not to say. We don't analyze, but we also should not mislead our readers by making it seem as if a significant side to a story wasn't there.  This is another reason for using diverse sources.

--Pi zero (talk) 18:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks and !! I´ll write another article soon. Regards!!

Article on queue
Just pointing out, there is an article already submitted for review. See Category:Review. --Pi zero (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact, I suspect the article you translated from may have been translated from the one that's on our review queue here? --Pi zero (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ups, I don´t realize of it, I though that it wasn't here because I don't see it in Recent changes, apologize the inconveniences. Regards!

Re: 192m van rundown in Barcelona
I've edited the article and left a comment. Interesting and controversial story. Please take a look and re-submit for review at your earliest convenience. Thank you. --Gryllida (talk) 11:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! Esteban (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I've left you a message
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Re Spanish Police kills Barcelona attack van driver found dead among the victims
The recent event was that their dead body was found and identified. The leading paragraph needs to say this and have correct grammar.

Also please move the article talk page, here, it usually is associated with the article somehow we lost it. --Gryllida (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

The provided source says "Younes Abouyaaqoub was killed during an operation in Subirats, west of Barcelona, police said in a tweet. Police earlier said they had shot a man wearing an explosive belt, but did not immediately identify him as Abouyaaqoub." The headline is inaccurate then. It has a different meaning. It is my fault as I misunderstood what happened when suggesting it.

There needs to be at least two independent sources confirming the new focal event of the article. --Gryllida (talk) 09:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I just put another source, but I don´t know what should be the headline Esteban (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

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Zimababwe Zanu-PF party dismisses Tsvangirai unity boycott

October 19, 2009

Zimbabwe's ZANU-PF party has said that government business will continue despite the opposition party's decision to stop working with its unity government partner. A spokesman for president Robert Mugabe dismissed the boycott by the leader of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) Morgan Tsvangirai as "needless excitement".

Tsvangirai and his party had pulled out of the coalition government on Friday, saying that Mugabe had been "dishonest and unreliable".

Spokesman George Charamba said to the Sunday Mail newspaper that "the MDC-T has disengaged from nothing. It's sound and fury signifying nothing. The MDC-T president knows that. It's a poor protest," he said.

Charamba said that Mugabe has been too busy with ceremonial duties to react to Tsvangirai's boycott. "I suppose the president will find time when the right time comes," he said.

The Sunday Mail quoted Charamba as saying that a cabinet meeting will go ahead as scheduled on Tuesday and that binding decisions will be made despite the MDC boycott. "As you will certainly see on Tuesday, cabinet will be held. The agenda for the meeting has been circulated and decisions that are binding will be taken. Remember, cabinet does not function through a quorum."

Tensions between Mugabe's ZANU-PF party and the MDC have been constant since the unity government was formed early this year. Regional leaders pressured the parties to share power after last year's disputed and violence-plagued elections.

The latest crisis was sparked by the re-detention of Roy Bennett, a white farmer who the MDC has nominated to be deputy minister of agriculture. Bennett is awaiting trial on terrorism charges, and already spent a month in prison earlier this year before being released on bail. The MDC has said that he is innocent.

Tsvangirai said on Friday that if the political crisis escalates further, the only solution would be to hold new elections under international supervision.


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Israel cabinet rejects UN war crimes report

October 19, 2009

The Israeli cabinet has rejected last week's resolution of the United Nations Human Rights Council, which endorsed a report accusing the state of war crimes during the Gaza conflict, accusing the UN of a double standard.

The cabinet said that that the army's three-week assault on the Gaza Strip last December and January was legitimate self-defense.

"Israel will defend itself at any price," said Cabinet Minister Yossi Peled. "This is a duty and a right."

The Goldstone Report, endorsed by the UN Human Right Council on Friday, accused Israel of war crimes during the Gaza conflict. The Israeli Cabinet, however, responded by saying that its country was responding to years of Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza. The 575-page report had also accused Hamas of war crimes, but devoted 30 out of its 31 chapters to Israel. Israeli actions are reported to have killed at least 1,100 Palestinians, many of them civilians.

Cabinet Minster Yuval Shteinitz accused the international community of a double standard. Steinitz said it was an anti-Semitic resolution, in which the same right of self-defense that is allowed to the United States in Afghanistan and Russia in Chechnya is denied to Israel in the Gaza Strip.

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US free speech lawyer Marc Randazza discusses Glenn Beck parody

October 19, 2009

Wikinews interviewed US free speech lawyer Marc Randazza, on his defense of a parody website which satirizes American political commentator Glenn Beck. Florida resident Isaac Eiland-Hall created the website in September, and it asserts Beck uses questionable tactics "to spread lies and misinformation".

The case Beck v. Eiland-Hall is currently before the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in Geneva, Switzerland. Wikinews previously reported on the case, in an article earlier this month, "US free speech lawyer defends satire of Glenn Beck".

Background
The Eiland-Hall's website is located at the domain "www.GlennBeckRapedAndMurderedAYoungGirlIn1990.com". Its premise is derived from a joke statement made by Gilbert Gottfried about fellow comedian Bob Saget. Users of the Internet discussion community Fark first applied the joke to Beck, and it then became popular on several social media sites.

Eiland-Hall saw the discussion on Fark, and created a website about it. The website asserts it does not believe the rumors to be true, commenting, "[b]ut we think Glenn Beck definitely uses tactics like this to spread lies and misinformation." In an interview with Ars Technica, Eiland-Hall said the website was "using Beck's tactics against him". The website was created on September 1, and just two days later attorneys for Beck's company Mercury Radio Arts took action. Beck's lawyers sent letters to the domain name registrar where they referred to the domain name itself as "defamatory", but failed to get the site removed.

Beck filed a formal complaint with the Switzerland-based agency of the United Nations, WIPO, who operate under regulations laid out by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Beck asserts the website's usage is libelous, bad faith, and could befuddle potential consumers. Beck's complaint was filed under the process called the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy. This policy allows trademark owners to begin an administrative action by complaining that a certain domain registration is in "bad faith". Beck argues the site should be shut down because it is an infringment upon his trademark in his own name, "Glenn Beck".

Eiland-Hall retained Randazza as his attorney after receiving threatening letters from legal representatives of Beck. Randazza replied to WIPO on the 28th of last month, contending the site is "protected political speech", due to it's "satirical political humor". Randazza stated, "[e]ven an imbecile would look at this Web site and know that it’s a parody." In his legal brief, Randazza compared the website to other Internet memes, such as "All your base are belong to us" and video parodies of the German film Downfall.

"We are here because Mr. Beck wants [the] Respondent's [web site owner] website shut down. He wants it shut down because Respondent's website makes a poignant and accurate satirical critique of Mr. Beck by parodying Beck's very rhetorical style," Randazza states in the brief. Additional points in the brief comment on Beck's style of reporting, and highlight a controversial statement made by him when interviewing a Muslim US Congressman. Beck said to Representative Keith Ellison, "I like Muslims, I've been to mosques. ... And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview because what I feel like saying is, sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies." According to the Citizen Media Law Project, the website's joke premise takes advantage of "a perceived similarity between Beck's rhetorical style and the Gottfried routine".

Randazza argues in the response filed on behalf of Eiland-Hall that Beck is using the process of the WIPO court to infringe the free speech rights of his client; "Beck is attempting to use this transnational body to circumvent and subvert the Respondent's constitutional rights [to freedom of speech]," he wrote. Randazza cites the U.S. Supreme Court case, Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, in arguing that Beck's attorneys advised him against filing legal action in a U.S. court because the website would likely be seen as a form of parody and due to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, such legal action would not be successful.

On September 29, Randazza sent a request to Beck's representatives, asking that their client agree to stipulate to the United States Constitution, and especially to the First Amendment, during the case before the WIPO. In the request, Randazza quotes a statement from Beck himself about the usage of international law by United States citizens, Beck said, "[o]nce we sign our rights over to international law, the Constitution is officially dead." Randazza wrote in the request, "I am certain that neither party wishes to see First Amendment rights subordinated to international trademark principles, thus unwittingly proving Mr. Beck's point. Lest this case become an example of international law causing damage to the constitutional rights that both of our clients hold dear, I respectfully request that your client agree to stipulate to the application of American constitutional law to this case."

Commentators likened the legal conflict between Beck and the site to the Streisand effect, a phenomenon where an individual's attempt to censor material on the Internet in turn proves to make the material itself more public. Techdirt remarked Beck should have ignored the website, and instead his attempts to take it down served to legitimize it. Gawker.com noted that media have written about the website because Beck attempted to shut it down, and Politics Daily observed that Beck's legal action served to increase publicity for the site.

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' Prior to your involvement in the Beck v. Eiland-Hall'' case, what related legal experience have you had specifically related to the legal concepts of the case?

Marc Randazza: I am both a First Amendment lawyer and an intellectual property lawyer. I practice in these areas, write on those areas, and taught them at the law school level. Given that these are my areas of expertise, this case was directly in my strike zone.

''' Why did you agree to represent Isaac Eiland-Hall? What interested you about the case?

MR: I took this case because of my sense of patriotism demanded it, as did my feelings about maintaining good karma. I became a First Amendment lawyer because I believe deeply in the Constitution. As my career has gone on, I've seen that often wealthy and powerful people are awfully thin skinned about criticism, and they use their money and power to attempt to silence "the little guy." However, when that happens, the guy who gets pushed around suffers, but so do all of us. When one citizen's constitutional rights are threatened, all of our rights are threatened, and I'm not letting that happen on my watch.

Isaac was being bullied, he was worried, and he couldn't afford a lawyer. After we spoke, he seemed like the kind of client I would be proud to represent, so I agreed to handle his case.

' In your response brief in the Beck v. Eiland-Hall'' case, you wrote, "Mr. Beck has all but begged to become the subject of a meme." Are you familiar with the concept of the term the "Streisand effect"? How do you think the Streisand effect applies to this case and to Glenn Beck's situation with regard to the Internet meme, and the website?

MR: I am familiar with that concept. This case clearly proved that the effect exists and should be treated as a law of nature. Had Mr. Beck simply ignored this meme, it likely would have died out. Most internet memes die quickly. The one thing that breathed life into this meme was Mr. Beck's reaction to it.

''' You wrote in the conclusion to the Eiland-Hall response brief, "there can be only one purpose to filing this complaint: as an attempt to silence a critic because he doesn't like being criticized." Can you explain your argument that Beck's legal actions are intended only to silence criticism?

MR: It seems very clear that this is not about trademark infringement. Trademark law serves to protect consumers from being confused as to the source or origin of goods. This isn't a trademark infringement case. It is an attempt to litigate a defamation case in a forum that might not pay deference to the First Amendment.

''' On September 29, 2009, you requested that Glenn Beck agree to stipulate to the application of the United States Constitution, and also especially to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Can you explain your rationale for this request? Have you heard back from Beck's attorneys about this request?

MR: Mr. Beck has publicly stated, many times over, that he is offended at the thought of international law trumping the U.S. constitution. I presumed that he would not want that to happen in this case. His attorneys have not responded to my request.

' What are the next steps that will occur in the Beck v. Eiland-Hall'' case?

MR: I presume that the arbitration panel will decide this case in my client's favor.

''' Do you think that Glenn Beck will bring legal actions related to the Eiland-Hall website in the United States? How do you think such legal action would fare, specifically with regard to claims of libel/defamation?

MR: I don't think so, but I've seen many frivolous, stupid, and ultimately disastrous defamation suits filed in my career. If you look at page 2 of my request for stipulation letter, it will articulate our position on that perfectly.

''' An article in the UK news magazine The First Post commented that Beck's argument that the domain name of the Eiland-Hall website is itself defamatory "looks like a first in cyber law". Would you agree with this assessment? Have there been other similar cases with regard to this issue in cyber law?

MR: It really is not all that novel of an issue. It is the first time that anyone has claimed that a mere domain name is defamatory, but big corporations have filed many wipo actions to try and get rid of "sucks" sites. So, while the exact facts are a new one to me, there are well worn grooves in the road that govern the legal concepts in this case.

' Are there any other points regarding the Beck v. Eiland-Hall'' case that you would like to elaborate or explain?

MR: I'd just like to say a few things about my opposing counsel in this case. Initially, they were subject to criticism for taking the case, and I am strongly against that. I think that the one thing that is lost in this story is how hard their job is. I've got the easy side. I'm on the side of truth, justice, the constitution, free speech, apple pie, and baseball. They have the misfortune of representing the bad guy, the blowhard, and they had to be very creative in order to find a way to try and do what he wanted and still maintain their ethics. A chimp could do my job. And frankly, a chimp could do their job if he didn't care about ethics.

To represent their side of the debate ethically and honorably is difficult, and I've rarely seen lawyers in their position behave with any sense of ethics or decency. They have done so. While I disagree with their legal theories, it has been an honor to have them as adversaries, and I wouldn't think twice about working on the same side of a case with them one day.

' Mr. Randazza, thank you for taking the time to participate in this interview with Wikinews''.


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Kidnappers release two aid workers in Darfur, Sudan after more than 100 days

October 19, 2009

Two members of Irish aid agency GOAL, kidnapped in Sudan's Darfur region last July, were freed on Sunday, and are "in good health," according to Abdel Baqi al-Jailani Sudan's Minister for Humanitarian Affairs. Sharon Commins and Hilda Kawuki say they are "thrilled" to be free at last.

Capture and release
Irish citizen Commins, 32, and her Ugandan colleague Hilda Kawuki, 42, were working for GOAL in a compound run by the charity in the North Darfur town of Kutum. Armed men seized them on July 3.

Following their release early Sunday morning they described their captivity as a "difficult time", and thanked everyone who had worked to secure their freedom in a joint statement released through the GOAL. They were, "naturally thrilled to be released after such a long period in captivity".

"We know it must have been a traumatic period for our families especially and for our friends," they said. "It was of course, a difficult time - but we found strength in each other and in our friendship." They also could "hardly wait to get home" to spend time with their families.

Al-Gilani indicated the pair were in Kutum and due to fly to Khartoum later the same day prior to them respectively returning to Ireland and Uganda.

John O'Shea, president of GOAL, told AFP by telephone that, "[w]e are all relieved," and that all at the charity were particularly happy for their families. "We don't yet know when they will go home but we hope it is as soon as possible."

No ransom paid
Countering claims earlier in the year that the kidnappers demanded million for the pair's release, al-Gilani stressed "no ransom was paid,". adding that local tribal chiefs pressured the kidnappers into freeing the aid workers.

Increased hostility and threats
The captors held the two aid workers for over 100 days, the longest-running kidnapping in Darfur since the 2003 start of the region's conflict. Until March, the longest an aid worker had been detained in Darfur was 24 hours.

Following the issue of an arrest warrant in March by the International Criminal Court for Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir for masterminding war crimes, aid workers say hostility and threats have increased towards them, and that Sudan's relations with foreign relief organisations have declined dramatically.

In March and April two civil workers of Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) and French aid agency Aide médicale internationale (International Medical Aid) were kidnapped then released after three and 26 days respectively. A different group still holds captive two employees of the region's joint United Nations—African Union peacekeeping force. These are the only two workers left in captivity.

No amnesty
To date, Sudanese authorities have not punished kidnappers; however al-Gilani announced yesterday that those responsible for the latest kidnapping must be brought to justice. In talking with AFP, he stated, "[t]hey must be punished otherwise there will be no more order". The government called the kidnappers "bandits" and state no amnesty will be granted for the release of aid workers.


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Insurgent attack in South Thailand injures 24

October 19, 2009

The city of Yala, Thailand was hit by a bomb attack this morning in a fresh food market wounding 24, including three soldiers. One injured soldier is said to be in a serious condition.

The bomb was hidden in a motorcycle and detonated via remote. The police believe the bomb contained between seven and ten kilograms of explosives. Two men were witnessed parking the bike; police had checked the vehicle without detecting the bomb. It is suspected the bomb may have been detonated using a mobile phone.

This particular area of the city has been a target of local insurgents in the past; four attacks have occurred nearby and the implementation of new security measures is under consideration. These may include a prohibition on parking vehicles in front of the market, and introduction of closed-circuit television in the area.

The explosion occurred around 7:30 am local time (00.30 UTC). A range of civilians were injured in addition to members of the military; the attack is being blamed on insurgent members of the Malay-Muslim majority in southern Thailand.


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Link to that UN report would be appropriate (if it's available via online). --88.114.230.23 (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Sami.

Lol self-defense from rocket attacks, Hamas rockets killed 12 people in 5 years, Israeli attacks killed 800 people in 2006 alone Soapy (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not the point. Hamas is a terrorist organization that attacked Israel for 5 years when they hand over Gaza to them, Israel did noting for thous 5 years and what they get in return more violence. While Hamas used human shields in the war. But no out cry. You are just an other anti semitic that wants to see first democracy in the middle east fail.--75.250.95.8 (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "you are just another anti-semitic" I'm of Jewish birth Soapy (talk) 21:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And? How does that negate antisemitism? --Quantum mechanik (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Much as I hate war, I will accept that Israel was within rights to send in troops. It's just a shame they then started firebombing the city with chemicals almost impossible to put out. I smell war crimes. While I am surprised the report focused so much on Israel, you must still bear in mind most of the Hamas war crimes occured before the invasion and thus outside the report's remit. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)  (Contribs) 21:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Israel would be allowed to use troops if no other peaceful option had been available. There was a very simple solution to this issue, obey the ceasefire agreed to in June 2008.  Israel and Hamas signed the ceasefire which stipulated that violence on both sides would end, and in addition Israel would lift its crippling blockade of Gaza.  Israel began to recognize the ceasefire by immediately refusing to lighten its blockade, however Hamas ended all rocket attacks against Israel, satisfied that at least the violence which had already killed 550 Palestinians that year had stopped.  Then on November 4th, when the eyes of the U.S were on the election, Israel launched an air strike into Gaza killing 6 members of Hamas.  Hamas then asked to renew the ceasefire which Israel refused to do, this led to Hamas rocket attacks.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians Soapy (talk) 22:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Sad indeed
It's always sad when a UN member-nation goes and rejects the UN opinions/reports. Why can't everyone just get along for a mere hour to talk about these things with the UN?!?!? --TrekCaptainUSA (talk) 17:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Antisemitic attack?
If one criticises the politics of Israel, one has to be an anti-semite? Questionably.

—77.59.216.10 (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Depends on the type of criticism, the ideological basis where the criticism comes from, and the tactics used to criticize.

--Quantum mechanik (talk) 23:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Perspective....
it is amazing how ones perspective can be so.surely this is the madness of mistaking mind as self. we are capable of joy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erbeeflower (talk • contribs) 14:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


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American singer Whitney Houston's debut performance in the United Kingdom didn't go exactly to plan on Sunday night, causing a bit of controversy.

During her performance of her new single Million dollar Bill on the UK television show The X Factor Sunday evening, she experienced a 'wardrobe malfunction'. The strap on her back, holding her dress together, suddenly snapped off about midway through her performance. She also had a difficult time walking and dancing on the stage, as her dress appeared to be too long. Houston carried on and at no time stopped the performance.

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October 22, 2009 In Shanghai, China, bootleg copies of Microsoft’s Windows 7 operating system were displayed a week before the official date of sale. People in mainland China have been able to buy copies of the newest version of Microsoft’s Windows franchise for 20 yuan ($2.93) each — less than one percent of list prices, which are $320.

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October 19, 2009

Initial results gave Afghan President Hamid Karzai more than the 50% of votes necessary to re-elect him in the country's recent presidential elections. However, after a month of speculation about vote-rigging, officials from the United Nations-backed Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC) have discounted ballots from 210 polling stations. European Union observers have claimed that as many as one in four votes may be in doubt.

The Afghanistan ECC has published a report about their investigation into allegations which emerged after the polls two months ago. The EEC has stated that there was "clear and convincing evidence of fraud" at polling stations throughout the country. As the ECC reports to the Independent Election Commission (IEC) no official announcement has been made yet, although by law the IEC is obliged to accept the EEC findings; however foreign diplomats have suggested that the IEC may not accept the findings.

President Karzai has refused to accept the investigation's findings, which reduce his share of the vote from around 55% to under 50%, leading to what Mohammad Moin Marastyal, one of the campaign team members, describes as "deadlock". Marastyal claims that the EEC deliberately altered the facts to force a runoff. "Effort has been made to lower Karzai's vote to below 50 per cent," he stated. "Now we are in a deadlock."

The EEC announcement was expected at the weekend, but was delayed whilst foreign diplomats attempted to persuade President Karzai to accept a runoff vote with his main rival, former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah. The UN sent its top envoy, Kai Eide, who has been meeting daily with both contenders.

The United States is still considering its position on troop numbers in Afghanistan. White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said yesterday: "I think it would be irresponsible and [...] it would be reckless to make a decision on US troop level if, in fact, you haven't done a thorough analysis  of whether in fact there's an Afghan partner ready to fill that space."


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October 20, 2009 Gabon's new president Ali Ben Bongo has named his first government, after winning the country's recent presidential elections.

Bongo has kept interim Prime Minister Paul Mba, who has served in the post since July when his predecessor stepped down to run against Bongo.

Paul Tongui remained the foreign minister. Jean Francois Ndoungou kept his job as interior minister. Angelique Ngoma was moved from her position as minister of families to the defense minister — the first time that a woman has held that post in Gabon.

President Bongo was defense minister in the previous government of his father, Omar Bongo, who died in June after ruling for forty years.

In all, a dozen members of the new government are veterans of the previous administration. However, Bongo has trimmed its size. Including himself and the prime minister, there are just 30 members of the new government. The previous administration had 44. Prime Minister Mba said the move "is aimed primarily at efficiency".

Francois Engongah Owono is the secretary general of the presidency. Owono said that the new, smaller government will be more efficient and includes people determined to get everyone in Gabon working together for a better country.

Bongo was sworn in Saturday after a lengthy review of the August election that brought him to power. Opposition candidates filed suit to overturn the results, accusing electoral officials of vote fraud to benefit the ruling party. Gabon's constitutional court recounted returns from more than 2,800 polling stations and confirmed Bongo's win.

Most election observers believe the vote was fair, despite irregularities that included security forces at polling stations, some ballot boxes not being properly sealed, and the absence of opposition representatives during some vote counting.

Bongo has promised to improve health, education, and housing in Gabon and more equitably distribute oil revenue. Under his father, Gabon became the world's sixth-largest oil exporter, but 70% of the population still live in poverty.


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Original reporting notes have been retained in userspace. See User talk:Brian McNeil/Project INDECT. Virtually all emails have been copied to scoop@wikinewsie.org, for access to any in carrying out a review, please contact me immediately. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

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 * Slashdot
 * Pirate Party mailing list
 * Adam Smith Institute

NPOV
I'm not sure about how neutral any of your stories on Indect are Brian. It is very obvious what you think, and whether that's the right thing is a different matter, but I'm still unsure. Anyway, just my 0.02, would be interested if anyone else agrees or disagrees?   Tris   07:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This - to date - is the only Wikinews story on INDECT. I have put a lot of work into trying to keep within project grounds, so rather than trying to whistle up an angry mob, please clarify where you see specific WN:NPOV violations. No rush - I need a coulple hours more sleep. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to "whistle up an angry mob", don't know where that came from? When I said about your stories, I was referring to the other stories in preparation as well.  Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of these encroachments, but I had to stay something wrt the story.  In terms of specifics-the title in my view isn't neutral and the overall feel of the article is not neutral.  I know the second point is vague, but that's because the feeling I have is relatively vague.  Brian, please don't think that this is a personal attack or I have other motives, I just wanted to say something.  There is no attempt to get an angry mob behind me.     Tris   11:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't got long now, but here's a quick example of something that I'm not too happy with-     Tris   11:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I found one, Professor Petrie, and purely through someone copying her on an email response and saying her position. This information is not available online at all. Don't know who they are? Then their suitability is unassessable. Who they are is not readily available to the public? No opportunity to question their criteria or challenge their decisions? Then they are unaccountable. Those are factual findings, not POV, not judgemental on the individuals - perhaps - at a big stretch - on the way the EU is handling this. Had I put, "...looking up Professor Petries' page on York Uni. I found she specialises in use of technology for the disabled, and is thus unqualified to carry out ethical oversight on a project of this nature.". I didn't say that. That - unarguably - would be POV. If you read the same between-the-lines that's you, your interpretation. NPOV is very, very difficult in a news reporting setting. The appearance of NPOV is something sources like VOA are good at, but the writing is frequently bland.
 * And I know you're not looking for a posse ;-) That's part of my quick-fire response style, it was mainly in jest. The title? Not actually my idea, but it's a play on words that gives an idea of the article content without lying about it. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I accept that your description is factually correct-it's just the feeling that it gives and the underlying POV(in my eyes), which although the wording is gramatically and factually correct, gives the sense of POV. I agree NPOV is very difficult and that it often leads to dull articles, hence why most news sources aren't!, but it's not what we do.  Anyway, I'm not overly bothered to make a massive deal out of it, I just thought I'd let you know my thoughts on your Indect articles.  It is an excellent article in other respects I think!     Tris   17:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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I have a number of concerns about this article: On the whole, I do think it's a well written article, and clearly a lot of work has gone into it. And I agree, people should be concerned about these things. But, because they are such important and emotive issues, reporting them needs great care. the wub "?!"  13:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Mainly, I'm not sure of the assertion that the EU plans to tap cell phones. I can't find it in the sources, although obviously there is a lot of material and I may have missed it. If it is there, maybe it should be signposted more clearly. The leaked report seems to be about technology for mining data sources, particularly public ones. It doesn't mention acquisition at all.
 * Besides the above, the headline seems POV. I read "Listening to you at last" as a dig at the EU's unresponsive bureaucracy. It may have a reputation for that, and that reputation may even be well deserved (I certainly think it is), but it's not directly relevant to or supported by this article.
 * 2nd para: "Extraction of Information for Crime Prevention by Combining Web Derived Knowledge and Unstructured Data" - what does this refer to? It isn't clear from the article.
 * This is, from the INDECT website, the full name for the project. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, found it, it's the name of the "work package" this report was under. the wub "?!"  15:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 2nd section, 2nd para: "as a "threat", it would be the INDECT system's job to predict it" - this seems like unwarranted speculation
 * The system is designed to identify and predict threats, this is - to me - quite clear in the now-public documents the word threat is used, justifying putting it in quotes. Work Packet 4 involves the researchers at York taking a limited set of data, tagging and cataloguing it, and putting it in a database with a number of software tools for law enforcement use. This is done; the deliverable has been passed to Polish police. They have to see if it works, can it help them anticipate football-related violence and other crime? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it doesn't claim to predict all threats. the wub "?!"  15:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 3rd section, 3rd para: "making their suitability unassessable and distancing them from public accountability" - I share Tris's concern about this, it's needless editorialising.
 * Well, to me, this is very important - and factually accurate. I now have evidence it's worse than that, but that's for later. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 3rd section, 4th para: "just the scenario the Project INDECT video could be portraying." - really? Does your investigative journalism often involve breaking into offices and stealing files? Perhaps a better link would be to the watermarking of digital files mentioned earlier.
 * Look again at the video. The person who takes the document is in the building in an authorised way - perhaps an employee who works there. You are calling them a thief, it is equally possible they are a whistleblower. That is often how investigative journalism works. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, fair point. the wub "?!"  15:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I took a great deal of care with this, and there are a lot of emails and other documents shared privately with the reviewer and other accredited reporters. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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Please would someone be so kind and edit this article and insert an interlanguage link to the German version: (EU will Internet und Mobiltelefone anzapfen), thanks. --Wolf-Dieter (talk) 13:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
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 * The UN envoy is mentioned on 5th para page 2 of the first Times Online article . It was difficult to track down as the Times has significantly rewritten the article since I last accessed it. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 15:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
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= Should the EU carry out this research without a wider public debate? =

131.104.10.63 (talk)Host
 * Orwell's prediction, though a bit off, proves accurate again.

Eh....
This is why I don't trust government. Inferno, Lord of Penguins (talk) 21:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The overwhelming sentiment evident in all governments seems to be that people should know as little as possible. Why, just think of how 'democracy' would work if you let people decide anything! You'd think with such an antithetical abomination as this being leaked it would be the equivalent of a political death sentence for anyone linked to it.

Nah, our brave leaders don't think this is hypocritical or otherwise worrying at all. —174.92.33.37 (talk) 22:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

 * This is the kind of shit that people start revolutions over. Inferno, Lord of Penguins (talk) 22:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Two conclusions: 1) Always lock the office doors, when you leave 2) The developers clearly never heard of the Faraday cage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.50.77 (talk) 22:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Where's the Faraday cage to wrap round the whole Internet? --Brian McNeil / talk 02:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Eyes on the prize, please
It's certainly regrettable that in the face of what may be a serious threat to liberty, the authors choose to use it to push an anti-capitalist agenda in the latter half of the article. Standing up to a government surveillance system is a matter of personal freedom, and should be treated as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.63.153 (talk) 02:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can't see the prospect of particularly negative repercussions through commercial usage, then you're not cognizant of the full spectrum of threats to "personal freedom". As the Leeds Uni. researcher says, "... the scientific methods are much more general and has wider applications. The project will most likely have lot of commercial potential.". This 'leaked' video? That's the presentation for governments; I'm cynical enough to joke that Tom Cruise starred in the Hollywood-made presentation for the commercial sector. But they'd probably say, "ignore all the scary police-state implications, Minority Report shows you the future of advertising." --Brian McNeil / talk 02:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any positive situations where a company, that makes profit, had access and authority over a system such as this. Much less the government. 131.104.251.46 (talk) Host

Fascism ahoy!
How come I am not surprised? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.64.42 (talk) 07:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Privacy?, what privacy?
This research is only the non-classified aspect of what many national governments are already doing. The main difference seems to be that states are cooperating on the research rather than going it alone. We already have to contend with Echelon monitoring communications and CCTV cameras appearing almost everywhere. If it radiates they can listen to it, if you can buy commercial crypto they can break it. You can brute force encrypted comms but the time is takes usually makes it not worthwhile (most comms are time-sensitive, recovering a conversation 6 months afterwards is not really useful except as a forensic tool). The reality is that the resources to actually make use of this on a large scale are extremely limited; very few agencies have enough people with the right skills.

All of this is being done in the name of what they call security, we live in the so called "state-of-fear", promulgated by politicians as an excuse to intrude on your lives and justify ever more draconian civil rights infringements. Much of the "security" you experience is nothing more than theatre, to make it look like something is being done to protect you. Mostly it has little deterrent effect, sure it raises the bar but against dedicated attackers is questionable whether it is worth the cost both technically and on the loss of civil rights.

Facial/plate recognition is already used in places like London and washington to track people.

Your expectation of privacy in modern society is almost nil. What you can do is try and minimise the digital footprints you leave and carry on normally.

--Cr0tal (talk) 09:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Should the EU carry out this research without a wider public debate?
Hell no. Stop the eavesdropping on private conversations Right Now. Eavesdropping on private citizens is total Unwarranted Invasion of Individual Privacy and must stop. To continue risks serious damage to trust between European Governments and the EU. Damage so severe that it could trigger the breakup of the EU and land those engaged in such draconian tactics in Jail or facing stiff fines. This crap reminds me of the movies where spies knelt down by the keyhole in doors to listen to private conversations. It smelled of a RAT then and it Smells of a RAT now.

Hell NO! Stop the Eavesdropping/spying upon private citizens. Xratti

Should the EU carry out this research without a wider public debate?
God Bless America; if this happened here, there would be no chance that we would ever accept such a ridiculous plan to violate our freedoms. The Europeans have a right to defend their land by limiting their peoples' rights because of their smaller land mass and more people to occupy such a small area. But at the same time, and as a former person said as well, Orwell was correct; just 25 years off. But in general, this course of action by the EU is inane; it truly does violate people's privacy. We are stepping into a dark age where we, as individuals, are slowly fading away to a world of control and conformance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.238.84.237 (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you for real? Did you sleep through the tyrannical reign of King Nixon the last? Did you miss 'misunderestimated' Bush and his warrantless wiretapping? For-Fuck's-Sake! America is, most definitely, not better off. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

This system will not prevent any crime nor will it help to make the European Union more secure. All the CCTVs in the UK? They are doing nothing to prevent crime. All this will do is to rob citicens of their privacy.

—77.59.216.10 (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I still find it more fundamentally objectionable that these plans go ahead without any debate at all rather than the fact that they go ahead. People can be scared into doing stupid things, and they can be lazy. In this case, the entire illusion of democracy is ignored. It won't matter, and the same governments will do the same things they've always done. Certainly governments have tended to be more accountable over time, but now they have a monopoly on surveillance. I would imagine that what ACTUALLY goes on in the government would warrant wiretaps and cameras more than what someone chooses to masturbate to. ... and remember advances that more accurately than ever give us the ability to read what people actually think? Criminals, who after being convicted are punished out of spite (rehabilitation was never the reason, only an occasional coincidence), are more worthy of lie detection than the people with the most power and supposed accountability of all. God damn, I hate it. I shouldn't let myself rant. —74.14.13.63 (talk) 21:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rant? That's what this page is for! Go on... It's cathartic. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

We should clear up one thing...
-- 192.18.1.36 (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All of the opinions so far harp on one thing: privacy, privacy, privacy. In the interest of clarity I'd like to know, why are so many opinion-writers concerned about the loss of their privacy? Explaining why something is bad, or why something should be feared, would be far more productive than simple rhetoric. --67.174.131.145 (talk) 01:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This sort of system is bad for the following reasons:
 * It allows the targeting of dissenting voices. It allows political elite to target it's opponents. Thus re-enforcing their own power. It has a chilling effect on public discourse.
 * There is no independent oversight. No one outside the system will know how this system is being used or abused. There is no accountability. The lack of accountability always leads to corruption and abuses.
 * No publicity. Gathering of information is one thing. To do it covertly is quite another. This will make the abuses even easier to commit.
 * No reciprocity. If the public loses privacy because this then why does not the governments that are funding this open access for the citizens. This kind of one-sided approach is stacking the deck in favour of the power elite. Concentrating power further. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

No more 1984,please
I really think those guys who are even thinking about tapping cell phones should really either start talking to other people or get sent to an asylum. 1984 is already scary enough to hear from a classmate doing a book report. If what's happening now doesn't get stopped, people will panic. Stop the mayhem!!!! --AquaTeen13 (talk) 15:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I told all my European friends this was going to happen. I guessed all of this was going to happen when we were invading Iraq. So when we're all toiling away in work camps, I want everyone to know that I fucking called it. --64.90.84.103 (talk) 11:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Somebody wash 64.90.84.103's mouth out! I agree with his opinion, but his language leaves a lot to be desired. --AquaTeen13 (talk) 18:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck fuckety fuck fuck. I have more important things to be upset around than thre consonents mating with a vowel. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

 * It is childish to fear "naughty" words. 64.90 expressed himself effectively and I applaud him for his triumph of fucking calling it.

Grrrrrrrr...... I have preferences too, you know -AquaTeen13 (talk) 20:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Profanity can, in no fucking way, be considered an indicator of limited vocabulary; sometimes you just need to use the most appropriate word. They are just words, they can't hurt you. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Take my clothes too...
More and more the government creeps towards the revocation of simple personal liberties. Soon enough, we'll be asked to walk around nude or wear transparent clothing in order to prove that we aren't up to no good. Though it sounds ridiculous, this example is equally as invasive. It can be summed up into one word. Should ANYONE be authorized to poke their head in your private space? NO.

Should the EU carry out this research without a wider public debate?
Invasion of privacy, pure and simple. THe second this gets implemnted, we are well on the raod to Airstrip one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.47.179 (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2009

Comments from feedback form - "Well written article but has t..."
Well written article but has two small issues. First, there should have been more wiki-links to EC law, and second "to" is redundant in "The E.U. report Katz refers to was ratified just six days before" Gulmammad (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Your alleged error is no such thing. "to" is required where it is in this circumstance. --84.13.118.107 (talk) 10:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Stupid EU
In my opinion EU should make some public debate, doing something like that without social agreement is a real threat on our rights! I don't want to be under control 24 hours, with whole system tracking my every step. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.80.179 (talk) 10:44, 8 March 2012

That's a shame...
I have always been a supporter of the EU and so reading a story like this is very disappointing to me... If used correctly the EU could be a great tool of progress and union although, as it appears at the moment, is merely another government body being utilised to harvest the private data of it citizens. I for one have make many private calls that I am not happy to be heard by anyone but me! More and more I hear of world governments spewing out eloquent excuses to attack the privacy of ordinary people and I see no pardon for this kind of conduct! I want my privacy to remain intact and will happily challenge anyone who would have it otherwise!


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