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Wisconsin gunman named, could be charged in two states

August 3, 2008

The man who police allege killed three young adults may face charges in two states.

Scott J. Johnson, 38, stands accused of killing three Michigan residents and leaving a fourth wounded Thursday night.

Both the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and the Associated Press report that Johnson allegedly either raped or sexually assaulted a Michigan woman the day before the shooting.

“I think he felt like a trapped animal after (the sexual assault), and decided to do something stupid — not stupid — horrible,” Johnson’s mother, Judy Johnson, told the Journal Sentinel. “They (authorities) came here yesterday saying they were looking for him. They left a card and said to let him know they were looking for him. They said he talked about committing suicide. Obviously, he didn’t.”

Johnson has not been formally charged with any crime and will be arraigned either Monday or Tuesday, the Associated Press reported Friday. Neither the Detroit Free Press or the Journal Sentinel mention either a sexual assault or rape in their story.

The Journal Sentinel, the Associated Press and New York Times name all four victims: Tiffany Pohlson, 17, of Norway, Anthony D. Spigarelli, 18, of Kingsford, and Bryan Mort, 19, of Iron Mountain. Daniel Louis Gordon, 20, of Kingsford survived with minor injuries, according to a Friday news conference by the Marinette County Sheriff’s Department.

According to the Associated Press, who spoke to the rape victim by phone Friday, Johnson was a casual acquaintance, whom she had met in December.

"We just became friends — not good friends, just friends," the woman told the Associated Press in the phone interview. "If he rode past on his bike, if he saw me working in the garden, he would stop and say hi."

The night before the shootings, the 24-year-old woman (who the AP did not name) alleges that she and Johnson rode on bicycles to the railroad bridge where the shooting occurred. Johnson had been to the bridge with the woman before with out incident.

The woman says that Johnson then raped her, while she tried to fight back. She was unsuccessful and the woman says she rode back to town with Johnson.

"I was trying to act as calm as I could," the woman told the Associated Press. "I didn't want to try to run away. Who knows what he would have done if I did?"

She reported the alleged assault and after the shooting, local authorities asked the woman for a description of Johnson. By this time the manhunt had started, involving over 100 different officers from more than ten separate agencies.

Though police have not released much information on Johnson, according to the Associated Press, a restraining order placed on Johnson by the rape victim list his address in Kingsford, about four blocks from where the woman lives. Authorities have said Johnson lived on nearby Iron Mountain.

The Journal Sentinel, the Free Press, the New York Times and the Associated Press all report that Johnson had served in the military, though only the Journal Sentinel provided details. Press reports also state that Johnson used a military-style assault rife during the shooting and carried a knife.

“A random killing like this is something that we see on TV and think fortunately we live here, we don’t have to worry about that,” Perry Franzoi, manager of Breitung Township, on the Michigan side of the river told the New York Times. "This is something that is going to be very, very difficult for the community to overcome, because these were kids that were killed for no apparent reason.”

The Journal Sentinel reports that a over 200 people gathered at the First Covenant Church in Iron Mountain said a pastor from Maranatha Assembly of God Church in Kingsford.

Among the mourners was 16-year-old Brittany Gunville, who told the Associated Press that she was at the river until about 15 minutes before the shootings. She left to get a ride home with a friend.

"My friend had to work otherwise we would have still been there," she told the Associated Press.


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Proposed policy
As this is a proposed policy, there should be discussion on whether this should be made into policy. Anonymous101talk 21:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this one still needs further discussion and community input and tweaking. Cirt (talk) 13:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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188 Fatah supporters permitted to enter Israel

August 2, 2008

On Saturday, 188 supporters of Fatah were allowed to enter Israel from the Gaza Strip, said one IDF spokesman. The Fatah supporters were fleeing after a bloody conflict in Gaza City. Defense minister Ehud Barak was the one who gave the permission for the Palestinians to enter Israel.

Palestinian National Authority President Mahmoud Abbas requested that they be allowed in on Saturday, according to the spokesman, as a result of Hamas' capture of a neighborhood in Gaza City.

The Palestinians entered Israel at the checkpoints near Nahal Oz and Erez, kibbutzes near the border of the northern section of the Gaza Strip. They were disarmed, prior to being allowed across the border. In addition, they will be asked about the circumstances which lead them to seek refuge in Israel, said the spokesman.

Late Saturday evening, Hamas militants took control of a eastern Gaza City neighborhood, al-Shojaeya. The Hamas police surrounded a house belonging to the pro-Fatah Helis clan, a family believed to be harboring the terrorists responsible for the July 25 bombing which claimed the lives of a six year old girl and 5 others. The battle left 4 dead, two of them Hamas militants, and close to 80 wounded.

The spokesman said that "they [the Palestinians] were asking to enter the state of Israel after being threatened by Hamas gunmen." The majority of the Palestinians entering Israel were from the Helis clan that had been involved in the gun battle.

22 of the of 188 were wounded, with the majority of the injuries being minor. Ambulances from Magen David Adom took 3 of the more severely injured to Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba as well as Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon. The rest were transported to Ramallah in the West Bank.

The act of allowing the Palestinians to cross into Israel could perhaps be a sign of Israel's support, according to CNN. The IDF spokesman stated that "it was a sort of humane gesture."


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Review
Changed from Review to Publish by Cirt (talk) after review for factual accuracy, value/newsworthiness, copyediting/readability. Only some very minor copyedits were needed, nice work! Cirt (talk) 23:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Title and content
I'm a bit shocked at the lack of journalistic senses by CNN in regards to the story title (AFP got it reasonably well). The biggest part of the story is that Israel, the target for years of Palestinian attacks, rescues armed Palestinians from other armed Palestinians. Current title completely shadows the story's details and background.

Suggested new titles:
 * 1) Israeli forces enable escape for 188 Fatah Palestinians from Gaza into Israel during Hamas violent crackdown.
 * 2) Israeli forces enable escape for 188 Fatah Palestinians from Gaza into Israel under Hamas fire.

Ref for 188: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3576757,00.html Title: Israeli Defense Force rescues Fatah men from Gaza under fire Author: Hanan Greengberg and Ali Wakad

Anyways, the focus should be that Israel made the action to help Palestinains, the action did not occur on it's own - they were permitted entrance and even assisted by Israel.

I hope some change to the title will be agreed upon since that is the core of the story. The second main issue seems well written (the attack from last week) though a wikinews-link to the previous article is clearly missing.

Cheerio, 77.127.253.51 00:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I am open to discussion on specifics regarding the title name, but you might want to add that the well written article was started by you. The Mind's Eye (talk) 00:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Not really interested in any glory here. Just some proper journalism. Amywasy, yes, I did have a majory stake in the previous article.
 * A bit of a shame that you kinda forgot to deal with the important part of my comment regarding giving Israel some credit in the title.
 * Btw, this story is still developing and I'm sure there will be room for further articles in this subject. Cheerio, 77.127.253.51 01:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't think you were glory seeking, I was just saying. Yes, I agree certainly Israel should receive some credit, as I am a Israel supporter, but the Neutral point of view policy could potentially conflict with a name like you suggested. The Mind's Eye (talk) 19:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Naw, I think you're wrong. I mean, who allowed them to enter if not Israel? AFP supports my title for the most part so there probably isn't any valid neutrality issues there... esp. with my second suggestion. (AFP title: "Israel lets fleeing Fatah men in after deadly Gaza clashes"). 77.127.253.51 02:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree but the article title does state that they were permitted to enter. I'm sorry but unless a outside editor says other wise, I think this is the best answer. The Mind's Eye (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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Falcon 1 rocket fails during third launch attempt

August 3, 2008 A SpaceX Falcon 1 rocket has failed during its third attempt to reach orbit. Over four years behind schedule, the rocket lifted off from Omelek Island, part of Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, at 03:34 GMT this morning, carrying three technology development satellites, and the ashes of 208 people, including astronaut Gordon Cooper, and Star Trek actor James Doohan. According to a statement issued by SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, the first and second stages of the rocket failed to separate, making this the third consecutive unsuccessful launch for the Falcon 1, which is yet to conduct a successful mission. Musk described the failure as a "big disappointment".

The primary payload for this flight was the Trailblazer satellite, which was to have been operated by the United States Air Force, and MDA. Two CubeSats, Pharmasat Risk Evaluation Satellite (PREsat) and Nanosail-D, were also to have been deployed. The CubeSats would have been operated by NASA and Santa Clara University. The space burial capsules, named Explorers and operated by Celestis, were to have intentionally remained bolted to the second stage of the rocket. The remains of several famous individuals were flown, most notably Project Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper and actor James Doohan, best known for his role as Montgomery Scott in the science fiction television series Star Trek. Director John Meredyth Lucas, who also worked on Star Trek, had some of his ashes on the flight as well, as did Mareta West an astrogeologist who was responsible for choosing the landing sites for the Apollo missions to the Moon. This is the second consecutive failure of a major orbital space burial mission, following a failed Taurus launch in September 2001. The last successful major orbital space burial was conducted in December 1999, although a single burial capsule was launched aboard the New Horizons spacecraft in 2006.

This launch was originally planned to occur in early 2004, with the TacSat-1 satellite and the Explorers payload. It would have been the maiden flight of the Falcon 1. A number of procurement delays pushed it to 2005, and subsequent issues with the availability of Space Launch Complex 3 at Vandenberg AFB, from where it was originally scheduled to launch, led to the first attempts to launch being made in late 2005. During the second attempted countdown, a faulty valve caused the first stage fuel tank to be deformed, leading to a delay.

In March 2006, a flight which was originally scheduled to be conducted after this one, with the FalconSat-2 spacecraft, was launched as the maiden flight, and ended in failure less than a minute after lift-off due to a fuel leak. This caused delays for all other Falcon launches, and a test flight without a functional payload was added to the schedule in order to ensure that the problems with the rocket had been resolved. This was launched in March 2007, and also failed - this time due to a sequence of events started by human error in setting the fuel ratio for the first stage. Despite the failure to reach orbit, most critical systems were tested, so the third flight was cleared to launch an operational payload.

In the meantime, the satellite that was to replace TacSat-1, TacSat-2, was launched, and TacSat-1 was subsequently cancelled as obsolete. During early 2008, the US Air Force announced that they would replace it with a satellite for a programme called Jumpstart, which would be selected a few weeks before launch. Trailblazer was chosen in late May, over two other options, PnPSat, or a pair of CubeSats. The launch was at that time scheduled for late June, but it was subsequently delayed due to small cracks in one of the rocket's engines.

Today's launch followed an eventful countdown, lasting almost to the end of the five hour launch window, with the loading of helium onto the rocket taking longer than expected, and requiring several long holds. Following this, an attempt to launch was made at 03:00 GMT, which resulted in a last-second abort at T-0, just after ignition of the main engine, due to a marginal performance issue with the turbopump. The launch was recycled, and the rocket lifted off 34 minutes later.

This was the first flight of an uprated version of the Merlin engine, which powers the first stage. The new version, named Merlin-1C, features regenerative cooling as opposed to ablative cooling used on the earlier launches. It is believed that the failure of the launch was unrelated to the presence of the new engine, the performance of which was described as "picture-perfect" by Elon Musk, the CEO of SpaceX.

The next Falcon 1 launch was scheduled to have been launched in September with the Razaksat spacecraft for ATSB of Malaysia, and up to three CubeSats. This will almost certainly be delayed whilst the failure is investigated. It is unclear whether this failure will affect the maiden flight of the larger Falcon 9, currently scheduled for 2009, on a demonstration mission for NASA's Commercial Orbital Transportation Services programme. Today's launch is the 38th orbital launch of 2008, and following the resale and recovery of the AMC-14 satellite, the first outright failure of the year.


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Broadcast
I watched the webcast on the SpaceX website, and got some information about the launch and failure from it. --GW_SimulationsUser Page 04:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Chrono order
Sources and Related news should be formatted from most recent to least (reverse of current) Cirt (talk) 05:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Both sections re-ordered. --GW_SimulationsUser Page 05:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Unclear
The final fate of the rocket is unclear. I'm assuming it parachuted safely down and has been recovered, but the article doesn't actually tell us. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any information about the final fate of the rocket yet. Sometimes it is weeks before they release that kind of sensitive information. Gopher65talk 15:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Obama heckled in Florida

NOBODY will leave this guy alone will they? Everything he says and doesn't say are wrong and get magnified 10x while John McCain can say anything and get away with it. Pathetic how this election is shaping out.
 * That may be true but it looks like he's going to WIN. Plus "He that wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper.", every time something like this happens and he gets past it with style, it makes him look that much better than McCain. --203.213.7.136 07:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * McCain?? Oh, that senile old guy that said that Pakistan and Iraq share a border? The guy that gave an interview on CBS, which had to be edited to cut out his recorded senility moments? I don't know, but I think he doesn't stand a chance... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.150.142 (talk) 08:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Obama likes weiners in his butthole and mouth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.231.114 (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I sure as hell hope so! I want a President who can support the American hot beef injection industry instead of outsourcing it to some Brazilian. Are you listening, McCain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.235.219.241 (talk) 05:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Obama in Florida
What difference does it make if the people are black or white--when it come to these issues.

I am very confused.

The mortgage companies sent letters out to many other people who weren't black. I am one of them.

The justice system isn't always fair to people who aren't black. I am one of them!

You either want to be a part of the entire population or you want to separate yourselves.

INjustice is color blind too!

The only problem is those of us, who are not black,don't have the press, the numbers or the political pull to be heard.

EQUALITY IS FOR ALL! There is not a nationality (...color, religion etc) of people who have not been imposed upon with discrimination!

...and lastly discrimination is not only about the black population. Look up the word. It has to do with injustice of any kind, regarding judgements made by color, religion, gender, etc......

Let's focus on issues and stop trying to blame color on everything! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.17 (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Mr. Barack Obama you are not only the Leader of America, you are Great Leader of the World. In this connection I am waiting for your Email response, dated 2.10.2009. Please Confirm. Thank you, God blesses you and God bless America. Agha Dilbar (founder) International Revolution Movement 64-neelum block ait Lahore (Pakistan) Phone:  0092427830084 Cell 03224628349 Email aghadilbar4@gmail.com Website http://aghadilbar.webs.com/ This Open Letter has been sent Six Lak (600000) to International Community for the welfare of Humanity till today. I Agha Dilbar authorize Newspapers, Magazines, Internet to publish and Radio, T.V. Channels to broadcast this letter all round the World. I Agha Dilbar challenge with 100% trust that own result of my meeting with Barack Obama war on terror and suicide attacks in PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN ,IRAQ And all over the WORLD could be put to an end and due to this great success Barack Obama would be able to rule the America till 2016. And on my return of my official visit from America the world will be set on the way of implementing the CHANGE WE NEED. Live with Dignity and Die with Grace. It has been extraordinary to read and hear, some of the things I did my decision alone by the voice of God, who called me in my heart. Mystery of success to rule the World Peace through friendship progress and prosperity, Excelsior for peace. Thanks Members Area Sign In or Register Recent Photos Recent Blog Entries Peace and Prosperity by aghadilbar | 0 comments ©2010 Create a Free Website at Webs.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.8.30 (talk) 06:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Fifteen killed in Somalia bombing

August 3, 2008

According to witness reports, a bombing in the Somali capital of Mogadishu has killed fifteen people, including ten women who were cleaning the street at the time of the attack. Farah Abdi, one of the witnesses, said that "it was an ugly scene with blood everywhere. I could not count the dead, I just glanced at once and I ran away for my life." No group has yet claimed responsibility for the attacks, although BBC News states a possible link with Islamist insurgents, who are currently fighting the Ethiopian troops.

A spokesperson for the local hospital reported that 35 wounded people were admitted to their hospital, most of them woman or children.

Hasan Abdi Mohamed, another eyewitness, also described the scene at the time of the blast. "They [the victims] were cleaning the street when this huge explosion rocked the entire neighbourhood," he said. "I counted 15 bodies, most of them are women who were torn to pieces."

The attack come after a period of a low level of violence caused by a peace deal that was signed between the government and insurgents.

According to the United Nations, one and a half million people have left Somalia to escape from the violence, which, according to one estimate, has resulted in eight thousand civilians being killed since January 2007.

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 * 2) East Timor Prime Minister resigns - June 26, 2006
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 * 4) N Google launches online payment service - June 29, 2006
 * 5) N Fears raised of Iraq Civil War - August 3, 2006
 * 6) N Oil prices rise after Alaskan field shuts down - August 7, 2006
 * 7) N Child killer Huntley releases confession tape - September 9, 2006
 * 8) N Pupils fed through gates, school criticised - September 15, 2006
 * 9) N PDPC President Rob Levin has died OR - September 16, 2006
 * 10) Rapper 'Snoop Dogg' arrested at California airport - October 27, 2006
 * 11) N Two children killed by carbon monoxide poisoning in Corfu - October 28, 2006
 * 12) N Mother of Californian firefighter calls on arsonist to surrender - October 29, 2006
 * 13) N Israeli president advised to step down - October 29, 2006
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 * 16) N North Korea returns to six-party talks - October 31, 2006
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 * 22) N 'Purity' ring case taken to High Court - June 23, 2007
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 * 24) N Space Shuttle Atlantis Launch delayed until 2008 - December 9, 2007
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Talk:At least seven mountaineers die while climbing K2

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I'll have a go at reviewing this article, but I can only understand the Ityalian source. Anonymous101talk 11:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

All reports are indicating 11 climbers now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.167.210 (talk) 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

-Write a new report with today's date, please. --SVTCobra 14:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Northern Areas. Ali Rana (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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Unprecedented review to be held on Qantas after third emergency in two weeks

August 4, 2008

The Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has announced it will take the unprecedented step of conducting a special review of flag carrier Qantas after three separate emergencies in two weeks.

In the latest incident, a Boeing 767 headed from Sydney to Manila was forced to turn back yesterday after ground staff at the airport noticed what they believed to be smoke emanating from the jet's wing as it departed. It turned out to be fine spray from a hydraulic fluid leak, and the aircraft brought its 200 passengers back down safely at around 3:00 p.m., with ARFF trucks on standby.

Despite the aircraft being forced to turn around, the pilot did not request a priority landing and so Qantas refused to describe the event as an emergency landing.

Qantas has a largely good safety record, having never lost a jet aircraft or had a fatality on board one. Their last fatal accident was in 1951. However, recently two other events have led to some questioning of Qantas from within the aviation industry.

Last Monday, a Qantas Boeing 737-800 returned to Adelaide after experiencing pressurization problems caused by the failure of an undercarriage door to retract properly. This followed the July 25 accident on board Flight 30, a Boeing 747 headed from London to Melbourne that had just made a stopover in Hong Kong, in which an exploding oxygen cylinder caused an explosive decompression. An emergency landing was performed in Manila, with a hole blown in the aircraft's side.

According to Qantas staff, the problems are not a new thing. Qantas flight attendants have asked senior management for an emergency meeting over these latest events. The Flight Attendants' Association of Australia's president Steven Reed said "We want some assurances from the company that these are isolated incidents. Or are they something we should be concerned about? We need to meet with the company at a senior level to have these assurances." Such a meeting is said to be likely within a week.

Qantas engineers have been complaining for some time about maintenance issues, saying that cost-cutting and outsourcing are compromising the quality of maintenance. Much work is now being done in countries such as Hong Kong, Malaysia and the Philippines. According to one engineering union official, recent incidents linked to outsourced maintenance include a failure of emergency lighting and flight attendants in the galley being electrocuted by faulty wiring.

According to the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers' Association's assistant federal secretary, Wayne Vasta, there has been a recent "change in culture" at Qantas, although he did say it would be inappropriate to blame only outsourcing. He said that while previously Qantas engineers had simply attempted to do the best they could, "Now it appears we have got to do the best job we can possibly do, within a budget." He also expressed a welcoming of the CASA probe.

Qantas' engineers are currently lobbying for a pay rise, and say the airline is risking safety with cost cuts.

Peter Gibson, spokesperson for CASA, said no trouble had been spotted in recent safety audits of Qantas, but they felt it 'prudent' to investigate given the recent string of incidents. He acknowledged that the review is unprecedented in CASA's history, and announced the probe would be headed by senior official Mick Quinn.

"We want to look at their safety systems to make sure that the systems are operating the way they should. All these things are stated in manuals. We want to make sure that what is in the manuals is being done," Gibson told reporters. He said the investigation should take around two weeks.


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Play.com Live multimedia exposition hosted at Wembley Stadium, England

March 16, 2008 London - Wembley Stadium today hosted the second day of the first Play.com Live multimedia exposition, a large event encompassing many large gaming retailers showcasing their latest games across a wide variety of platforms, as well as live music and entertainment from a wide variety of performers and personalities. Wikinews attended the event today, and reported live from inside Wembley Stadium.

First Floor – Corinthian Room
After being greeted at the front door with goodie bags and press passes – the first room to be visited is the Corinthian Room on the first floor of Wembley Stadium. The atmosphere is calm but excited – people are busying themselves browsing the games on display, and getting involved in the wide variety of competitions and events on offer. The Rock Band competition is well underway, and people are competing for the chance to win a 5-day holiday to Las Vegas, as well as a 4x4 car, games consoles, and other prizes such as £5,000 worth of Play.com Vouchers.

The first band to play inside the Corinthian Room is Saving Aimee, who are playing a selection of their songs. The crowd is gathering around the main stage and upper floors to watch the music – and the band is well received by them. The second band to play was the relatively unknown Go:Audio, who also played a selection of songs from their upcoming album. Their energetic performance style had the crowd cheering and singing along. The final band to play was We Are Scientists, who by far had the largest turnout in terms of crowd numbers. They played a number of songs, both old and from their new album, released tomorrow.

The Corinthian Room also housed the Rock Band competitions, Soul Calibur tournament, and housed the Wikinews reporters as they wrote the story. At the end of the day, a £30,000 prize was awarded to the winning team from the Unreal Tournament competition.

Second Floor - Atrium
The Atrium was host to a number of celebrity faces, including Sylvester McCoy (Dr. Who), Danny John-Jules (Cat from Red Dwarf), and Hattie Hayridge (Holly from Red Dwarf). There was also an exhibition by Dare to be Digital - a video games design competition focusing on University students designing and creating video games. In total, 12 games were on show from the Dare to be Digital competition. Retailers also had stands, including Corgi, SanDisk, and Blu-Ray.

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User talk:124.123.241.224

Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

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Heikki Kovalainen wins 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix

August 4, 2008

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes driver Heikki Kovalainen won the FIA Formula One 2008 ING Magyar Nagydíj at the Hungaroring, Budapest, Hungary on Sunday. It was the first Grand Prix win of Kovalainen's driving career and he became the 100th winner in Formula One history.

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa had dominated the race since the start when he overtook both McLaren front line sitters - first Kovalainen and then Lewis Hamilton. During the first part of the race, Hamilton punctured his front tyre and lost more positions as well as his hopes of winning. It seemed that Ferrari had the race in the pocket, but on the dying laps, Massa's engine was consumed by fire and he stopped on the main straight. Kovalainen took the opportunity to rush to the finish line.

Timo Glock did a brilliant job for his Toyota team, taking the second place. He qualified in fifth place and was in third until Massa went out.

The race became the first podium finish for Timo Glock, too. Still, his position was in danger from Kimi Räikkönen, who was racing close to Timo, but slowed down to secure his third place.

Renault drivers Fernando Alonso and Nelsinho Piquet finished fourth and sixth, respectively. They improved from their starting positions of seventh and tenth respectively. The Renault duo was split only by Lewis Hamilton.

The second Toyota of Jarno Trulli came in seventh. The top eight was rounded out by pole Robert Kubica from BMW Sauber.

Two other Renault-engined cars of Mark Webber and David Coulthard (Red Bull team) — split by Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) — were the last cars to finish on the lead lap. TheHonda and Williams teams, as well as Giancarlo Fisichella from Force India were all lapped.

Ferrari now leads Constructors' Championship standings with 111 points, 11 ahead of McLaren and 90 ahead of BMW. The Drivers' standings are still lead by Hamilton with 62 points, but he is only 5 points ahead of Räikkönen and 8 ahead of Massa.


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Comments:World's first double arm transplant undertaken in Munich

God blass all —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.103 (talk • contribs)

The double arm transplant
I want to know who the donor was and what were the measurements taken to secure the donation of the arms


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Boxing: Joshua Clottey of Ghana wins IBF welterweight title

August 4, 2008

Boxer Joshua Clottey of Ghana is the new International Boxing Federation welterweight champion. He beat Zab Judah of the United States Saturday night in Las Vegas, Nevada after the fight was stopped in the ninth round. The IBF title was vacant ahead of this fight.

Clottey won by a technical knockout after Judah was declared vision impaired. Judah had suffered a cut above his right eye, which was ruled an accidental headbutt by referee Robert Byrd.

Boxing analysts, however, say replays show it was caused by a punch. Since it was past the eight round, the rules of the fight called for a decision from the ringside judges.

Clottey was declared the winner 86-85 according to two judges and 87-84 by the third judge's card.

Clottey has had two previous title attempts. One ended with what the The Canadian Press calls a "bizarre disqualification" to Carlos Manuel Baldomir in 1999. The other was a unanimous point defeat to current World Boxing Association champion, Antonio Margarito after he broke his right hand in the fifth round.


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Talk:Burns engages India on civil nuclear energy pact

Please replace Image:Ali-Larijani Mar2005.JPG with Image:Ali-Larijani.JPG because first image was deleted from Commons.--Ahonc (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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British man dies five days after wife in honeymoon shooting

August 3, 2008

Benjamin Mullany, the British man who was shot along with his wife while on holiday in Antigua has died. He and his wife, Catherine had been on the last day of their honeymoon when both were shot during what seems to be a botched robbery on July 29.

Catherine died instantly while Ben fell into a coma. Doctors were unaware if he knew that his wife did not survive the attack. Ben was flown back to Britain on August 2 after a 22 hour operation to try and save his life. He died at Morriston Hospital, in Swansea, Wales where he remained unresponsive.

The couple married on July 12 and later flew out to the holiday island. With the death of both Catherine and Ben the murder figures for Antigua have been placed into double figures. Prime minister Baldwin Spencer has asked for Britain's help during the investigation. The suspects are still at large.


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Talk:British man dies five days after wife in honeymoon shooting

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It is the same story that was on July 31. It already told of his death. British doctor killed while on honeymoon. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * From the article there "Catherine died on the scene, while Ben is in a critical condition in Hospital." So no, it didn't say he had died, because he hadn't. Trust me, I saw it on the news not that long ago when they brought him back to the UK, it was on TV just hours after his plane touched down. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then why is the older article titled that he was killed...did he die, then rise from the dead to be news again 3 days later? :-P DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * His wife was the doctor that died. At the time of going to press, Britain does not require a penis to become a doctor. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry...I was reading the headlines. The newer article, this one, should clarify as to who...IMO both titles currently imply the same people, even if doctor is unisex. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry... If the death weren't so horrible we'd all be laughing at this. Title-wise, how about 'British man dies five days after wife in honeymoon shooting'? still leaves it unclear if both or only one died in the shooting, though, or if they are seperate. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Reviewing articles

Development stage
Prior to review, the article may be developed, and this will be noted by the Develop tag. Articles in development mean that they need more information, sources, or the article is currently a work in progress.

Users in the class Reviewer can mark revisions of the article as sighted (review). Reviewers should not sight/review articles in development.

(Note: the term "review" in this case does not mean that the article has passed the review stage, but rather that the particular revision marked can be seen by logged-out editors and IP viewers.)

Review stage
Before publication, all articles must be reviewed by a user who was uninvolved in the development of the article. Please note that only users who have the reviewer permission should review and publish articles.
 * 1) To ask for an article to be reviewed review should be added to the article. Develop gets replaced by the review template, once the article has enough information, and has been checked for spelling and grammar errors.
 * 2) The reviewer should check the article against the guidelines below.
 * 3) Once complete, the review notes along with a pass or fail of the review process, should be placed on the article's talk page by the reviewer. Templates for passing or failing review can be found here.

Checklist
When reviewing the article, the reviewer must check the following:
 * 1) Copyright: The reviewer should check that the text and images are not copyright infringement.
 * 2) Newsworthiness: The reviewer should check that the article agrees with our content guide and is newsworthy.
 * 3) Verifiability: The reviewer should check that all information in the article is fully sourced, (using multiple independent sources is strongly encouraged) or has adequate Original Reporting notes.
 * 4) NPOV: The reviewer should check that all information in the article is written in a neutral and unbiased manner, with no editorial commentary/advocacy or unsourced opinion.
 * 5) Style: The reviewer should check that all information in the article complies with our style guide (on dateline, grammar and spelling, "inverted pyramid" structure, tone, wikilinks, categories, headline... etc.)

Publish stage and review notes

 * 1) After reviewing an article and making the appropriate edits, Peer reviewed (with all parameters filled) should be added to the talk page of the article. At the moment this should be done with the "Easy Peer Review" gadget that can be enabled under user preferences; this performs several time-consuming technical tasks to publish the article, distribute via RSS, to Google News, &c.
 * 2) Publish should be added to the article by the reviewer if the article is deemed satisfactory against the above checklist.

Post-publish revisions
Previously, Reviewers who edited an article where the most recent version was sighted would have their revision sighted automatically. This is no longer in effect, and now any Reviewer who performs an edit that would not have been permissible to an article that had been archived under WN:ARCHIVE must not sight that revision, and await sighting from another Reviewer. More trivial edits, including rejection of changes, can be self-sighted as before.

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Please vote on whether this proposed policy, or something similar, should become policy. Anonymous101talk 20:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * voting is evil.

Er, the only mention of fact-checking is the "reminder" at the bottom.

With this having sprung out of my proposal for additional article stages, and concerns that such was too onerous, then it needs to strike a balance between rubber-stamping and anal nitpicking. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the verifiability section is about fact checking. Anonymous101talk 20:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I would propose that the voting section be removed from this discussion right now. This is a back-of-a-fag-packet proposal that has not been subject to scrutiny and discussion. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I have removed the voting option, as I agree that this proposed policy definitely needs some improvement. Anonymous101talk 20:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

===Votes=== Vpiting removed per above commentAnonymous101talk 20:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Anonymous101talk 20:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Very Strong  - Why should the few have the right to check the work of someone who is already known not to cack things up? No Editors, Let us get on with the job we are here for! Iceflow (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Seems dangerous, as it can degenerate into a single POV censorship. Lysy (talk) 09:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong . The current obsession with verifying accuracy comes at too high a price in terms of breadth and timeliness of content. Since the changes to the reviewing system in late July/early August, (which led to compulsory peer reviews) the number of new articles being published appears to have fallen dramatically. It also takes much longer to get an article published than it used to, due to the need to involve a third party. In addition to the fall in articles, the site seems to have developed a very slight pro-American bias in terms of coverage. I'm guessing that this might be a result of the review process requiring an additional person, and if there aren't many users from small countries, then less users will have the expertise to review articles about those countries, resulting in reduced coverage. In addition, Wikinews used to be one of the first news services to get stories out, due to the large number of contributors and ease of editing. It is now one of the last due to the bureaucratic review process, some articles can take days to get published, by which time the story's dead. I'm guessing that this is driving away users. I gave up editing editing in August because I was so sick of perfectionist reviewers blocking my articles because of a tiny error, or something so pathetic as the sources being in the wrong order, because I used an internationally accepted date format rather than Wikinews' compulsory American syntax, or in one case because it was too well referenced. In most cases it was things that the reviewer could quite easily fix. I couldn't see anything wrong with the old system (write your article, either mark it for review, or if you're confident, publish it yourself, if it is published and there is a problem, then whoever spots the problem can sort it out.) That's the whole point of a Wiki. I'm not going to contribute again until some of these restrictions are lifted. --GW_SimulationsUser Page 21:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think GW_Simulations makes several valid and concerning points; Wikinews appears to be getting crippled by the current review process. I must oppose this proposal.  Jade Knight (talk) 08:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll just email Josh at Google News and tell him to de-list us then. GW Simulations is - among other things - arguing about something as petty as the date format. Things like this are written into the style guide, and there is a rationale behind the decision to use a specific style.
 * As to a bias to U.S. coverage, yes, I'd agree. I criticised one editor when he made all leads US-based stories, that should not happen.
 * One of the main griping points here seems to be that people won't work on something that doesn't interest them. So, if your story doesn't meet the guidelines you'll be told this and left to fix it yourself. As a completely volunteer project there is not much can be done about that. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My argument is that articles are being rejected because of "something as petty as the date format" --GW_SimulationsUser Page 11:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Note: Feel free to voice your comments/thoughts, but there is no "vote" on this, at least not at this point in time. Cirt (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Breaking
I see this as a potential loophole where people could (possibly) use the Breaking tag to get around waiting for a Review to go through on an article they wrote. Should not all articles have to go through independent Review? Cirt (talk)
 * Well before they are published, of course they should, regardless of the type of news.  Majorly  talk  12:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose. Anonymous101talk 12:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But consider the fact that some breaking news may occur when no one is really on to review, though it is not official policy WN:BREAK even says that that should be done. Skipping the review stage that is. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd rather we had no news than inaccurate news.  Majorly  talk  23:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with . Cirt (talk) 23:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then answer is just to increase people's interest in Wikinews and get more volunteers so the issue of no one to review doesn't arise. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Great idea. Cirt (talk) 23:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And do you have any ideas how to increase people's participation? I personally was recommended by Brianmc, but before, I personally wasn't the slightest bit interested in Wikinews. That may be what most people feel - they just don't know about it.  Majorly  talk  23:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Majorly was corrupted recruited at Wikimania, we need people looking out for opportunities to attend appropriate conferences and be bold enough to distribute print edition copies. As I stated elsewhere, every copy I left lying around vanished. People do pick them up and read them, perhaps with more input than just Craig we can insert more prominent advertising to recruit contributors in this way. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No "Sighting"/Reviewing till publish
IMHO articles shouldn't be sighted/reviewed till published. Or at least maybe the review stage. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Those who have the user right sight articles automatically... but your idea is good.  Majorly  talk  23:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that "auto-sight" feature. Even if I make a minor correction of a blatant error, it looks like I have "sighted" the entire article, when I may not have done so.--SVTCobra 23:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Therefore "sighting" simply means checking that it is not vandalism or spam. Cirt (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Autosighting works for ya'll? Interesting. Was testing it earlier and couldn't get it to work.  For the record:  Sighted = Reviewed = no spam  ---   Quality = Validated = real content check  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, Autosighting now works for me too. Didn't earlier. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * News on autosight. If you are an Editor, and make an edit: the edit WILL be autosighted ONLY IF the previous edit was sighted.  If the previous edit was not sighted, the new version will also NOT be sighted.  But an article created by an Editor will start as Sighted.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Additional note to report since here seems as good of place as any. If a version is sighted, edited (say vandalism), and that edit is undone by an Editor, it will be autosighted (As an exception to my note above).  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Current behaviour is nothing starts as sighted - regardless of author status. Sighting must be explicitly done, but if you have editor status and change a sighted article your change is auto-sighted. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Issue
Something that needs to be addressed is that fact that everything including redirects have the little current revision thing pop up. For instance Template:China. Something needs to be done about that. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Retroactivity
Will we be flagging articles which existed prior to us having FlaggedRevs or are we only going to worry about our newer work? - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that we will be flagging older articles, yet, it may just take a while. Cirt (talk) 12:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Old articles will need flagged, otherwise anonymous visitors will not see them. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually they can be viewed fine by anonymous users. They just have a little Current revision (unreviewed) flag at the top right of the article. --216.75.93.110 13:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that is interesting, we have talked so long about how they "don't" show up, yet we never took the time to check if they in fact didn't show up. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The system was designed so that if there is no sighted versions, the latest shows up. It doesn't "hide" anything.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 05:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

To keep the "on this day" section on the front page functioning, old articles need sighted. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Confused
I'm a bit confused. This appears to already be active. When I edited Template:War in South Ossetia (2008), I got, "Edits will be incorporated into the stable version once an established user reviews them. The draft is shown below. 1 change awaits review.". Why does it still say this is a proposed policy? Is there somewhere I can go to see the current active technology/policy? Superm401 | Talk 06:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FlaggedRevs got implemented a few days ago -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 06:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then why does this page still say it's proposed, and where can I find details? Superm401 | Talk 07:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FlaggedRevs was implemented, this Review process has not yet been fully implemented. More details at :

Cirt (talk) 08:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
 * Editor
 * Reviewer
 * Help:Article validation
 * Flagged revisions

The danger
As mentioned above, the chief danger is that WN loses its "wiki" status if it comes down to the whims of whichever administrator is online at this hour to decide whether or not your article is "good enough" - and while administrators are good at banning people, warning people and maintaining order; they are often not the best best critics, nor examples, of stellar writing, fact-checking or anything else. I'd propose at the very least that accredited WN members be able to "sight" articles to increase the "Wiki"ness of it all being collaborative. There is no reason an accredited reporter with no history of error should have to have a random online community administrator "vet/edit" his Original Reporting -- as I complained once already "I was at the trial, you weren't...what on earth are YOU able to tell ME about what occurred?". Ah well, just a heads-up/complaint about the very real risk that this will be devolve into something notably bad for WN if we're not careful to maintain our egalitarian stance. Sherurcij 03:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that accredited WN members should certainly be able to "sight" articles. No objections there. Cirt (talk) 03:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree that I don't think this a good policy. I'm a new editor here, but quite familiar with other wikiprojects. I don't think this policy can work until there are far more editors here. For example, there was a review tag on Pakistan's governing coalition breaks apart for more then 24 hours until I decided to review it myself even though I worked on the very first draft. Unless there is enough editors where articles can be reviewed within hours, I don't think this policy will be useful, in fact more of an hindrance. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree...We are doing this because we need to. We lose lots of credibility if we didn't do something. This is the easiest way for us to have an editorial process. I know IRC is not the best way to discuss stuff, but often it helps to alert people there if an article needs reviewing. I think sometimes we have slow days, but overall, the review process goes rather quick. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid you have to subject your work to the scrutiny of others. By all means, accredited reporters should have the right to sight material, but remember we've pretty much agreed if an admin abused it to sight their own work, or repeatedly failed to do the job competently, they'd lose adminship via RfDA as well as sighting rights. This is due to being able to re-grant themselves the privilege, and the fact that most of the core contributors agree this is important to be taken seriously. If anyone - admin or accredited - were to abuse the privilege to sight their own work I'd be among the first to make sure there was a place on Wikinews to strip them of the rights; we not only have to take this seriously, we have to be seen to do so. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Who are the Reviewers
The part that worries me is who exactly are the reviewers? How will they be chosen? What does it take to get that status removed? How many of them will there be? How will THEIR NPoV be ascertained? What happens if there are 10 of them and they all go on vacation (or get sick, or take a wikibreak) at the same time (as we currently see with few admins online, and the front page rarely being updated in its locked down state)? Will we be forbidden from publishing articles until a reviewer returns to us?

Requiring a special status for reviewers is not a good move IMO, because we will no longer be a Wiki. It is not possible to be a wiki if all content is controlled by a small group of elites. Anti-vandalism moves I understand. Using tactics identical to those of the government of China to control content, I don't understand. Gopher65talk 01:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is a bad example. All credible agencies have an editorial process, this is just the way we chose to do ours. It could be much worse and much more tedious...like your example. But also we cannot just start handing out positions on a platter either. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a problem with this that many people (well, several of the 15 of us that are here) seem to be failing to see. This is WIKInews. Unless you drop the Wiki bit, and turn this into "Social Networking News: Where users submit news stories to be reviewed by our editorial department!", then it can't be done like this. What you are suggesting here is fundamentally unwikilike. And if you carry through with it, you will *have* to stop being a wiki, and reinvent yourselves as something new. Gopher65talk 01:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Virtually all wikis have varying levels of users that determine what gets onto the Main Page. Wikipedia's Main Page is much more stringent as far as their processes - and one single individual determines what article is "Today's Featured Article" on the Main Page. Cirt (talk) 02:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But they don't determine what articles are allowed to be written over the whole of Wikipedia (provided that they aren't spam, etc), which is what we're proposing here. As I said, I have no problem with the current system of admin-only access to the featured articles, provided that the admins update on a daily basis. I know you all want to be a "real" news organization, and so do I, but that doesn't mean we should just copy all of their FAILED processes! And they've been shown to have failed. Single person (or small group) editorial control has lead to massive abuse in mainstream media, and to the creation of horrific organizations like FoxNews, who have given up any pretence at NPoV. Is this *really* the direction that we want to take Wikinews? Once we start down the path of such content controls, one thing will lead to another. First one small step, then another, then another. It's a slippery slope, and we don't want to jump onto it.

 * Again, as I said, I agree that we need more editorial process in order to improve quality (I don't agree that Google News is vital, but it would be pleasant, at least). But there *has* to be another way to do it that doesn't involve selling our souls in the same way that Rupert Murdock did. I refuse to believe that the only way we complete with other organizations is to give up the very thing that makes us different from them (our consensus based editorial control). Gopher65talk 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think in essence I agree with you, but hopefully there will be many people who are "Reviewers", not few. Cirt (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is somewhat pointless. Nobody is denied the ability to edit. What is influenced is their ability to get crud that doesn't belong onto the front page. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Until now, every article has appeared on the main page. So any main page comparison is invalid. Yet I believe the process can still adhere to the wiki spirit if many editors are granted reviewer status, if there are clear rules, and if there is open process. Anyone should be able to contest a review, in which case it should be the community to decide in a reasonably short term. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we talking about contesting a passed or failed review? I've one instance where I unpublished a passed article, someone missed that the two sources were both AP. I don't think I've seen a failed that didn't offer some clues on the work needed to make it pass, and many articles get feedback aimed at passing them before a review is requested. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen one such review, which essentially said "I reject this article in its entirety", and offered no suggestions for improvement. Jade Knight (talk) 10:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Poll on use of Template:Peer reviewed
Please see Template talk:Peer reviewed. Cirt (talk) 01:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Cirt has reverted my attempts to make this a more prominent message; It is not at all clear from his statement here, but voting on this issue is not occuring on this page, where discussion has been had, but on the page Cirt links to. Go there if you'd like to make your opinion known.  Jade Knight (talk) 06:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Google News
Being in Google News seems to be the driving force behind the review process. I'm not aware of it even though I searched Google news a lot, probably because there's only 4 piece of news per day on average. While I have no particular opinion of what Wikinews should be, but if we can be successful as Wikipedia, it's not bad to be another Wikipedia, but not about knowledge subjects, but about news topics. If we can't compete on timely news, we can still be big in the news archives. If you are popular with high traffic, you will appear on Google search anyway.

The Google News requirement have no direct relation with the review process. Google just needed something like flagged rev to control spam. I don't see this as requiring a full review, which could be implemented in drastically different ways. There are plenty of press release agencies on the list who are issuing advertisements, some even charge for it too.

For all the journalist students you can attract, it's still negligible compared to the sort of community participated in Wikipedia. Indeed if you want to practice journalism, it's easier to start your own website with like minds, than bending MediaWiki to fit. The journalistic tendency could be a danger, requiring articles to be as well written as, and looks like, newspapers. It all depends on how popular you want Wikinews to be. The majority of Wikipedians aren't journalists or writing like them.

The Wiki in Wikipedia has a few good points. Peer reviews are performed by true peer editing. You don't want to create classes of bureaucrats when not necessary. I know, I post in Chinese WP and WN too, not that there's something wrong with the two. Articles are always finished. Though you can reward good articles and add credibility. In Wikinews, it's the reverse. You can be forever (?) stuck in the development stage when actually you are finished with the article.

Accountability. If Wikinews have to solicit donations separately, I wonder what fraction of the current donation will it gets. You can't ignore popularity for a wiki. The offering of subdomains in Wikia essentially gave up on notability and NPOV, generating huge wiki's of games and TV fan clubs.

May be I'll be back after $6 millions later.Ccas (talk) 04:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Editors only
It should be noted and changed in the policy that only users with 'editor' status are able to review/publish articles. I notice it does not necessarily state that as being required. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tempodivalse [talk]  21:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Other language sites
If having an article reviewed is a way to get it published by chance, why can't other language sites do the same? German and Dutch Wikinews allow articles to be published without being reviewed. I don't know whether that is good or bad. --George Ho (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why they do not have reviewing criteria, in that case, anyone could publish fake news, and until an active administrator notices it, it would remain on the site with the published tag. It is possible that they do it so the news is available to audience as soon as possible, but that involves a risk of sharing factually incorrect information, tyops, and other errors. It has some merits and some demerits. But whenever there is a risk of sharing false information (even by mistake) demerits are more severe than merits. •–• 13:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * English Wikinews has taken the notion of review about as strictly as it can be taken. The challenges involved are far-reaching, and we are still working on, and thinking about, various aspects of those challenges.  Although our active community is not terribly large now, we would never have been able to set up our infrastructure so well and so robustly (you have to have quite a robust structure if you're going to meaningfully enforce review) had we not had quite a large community with much journalistic known-how involved in setting things up initially.  A Wikinews that starts out small could not have achieved what we have here now.  There are two reasons I'm not going around aggressively pushing for other-language Wikinews projects to adopt our approach wholesale.  Part of it is simple tact, do-unto-others: we don't want them telling us to run our project their way (and we would tend to resent it if they tried), so we should not tell them to run their project our way.  Also, though, imho we've not yet worked enough of the kinks out of our system.  We intend to do what we do better, down the road.  My hope is that as various initiatives come on-line and are improved, we will start to be more and more successful, and not only will it be more practical for other Wikinews projects to adopt our approach then, but we won't have to aggressively push them to do so — they'll want to, because they'll be able to see from our success that it's desirable to do so.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn dead at 89

Reading CNN article now. Scott Sanchez (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


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Russian novelist Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn dies aged 89

August 3, 2008

Russian novelist has died today aged 89. As well as a novelist he was also a dramatist and historian.

Solzhenitsyn served with the Red Army in World War Two but became one of the most prominent dissidents of the Soviet era. He spent eight years in a. Solzhenitsyn criticized the Allies for not opening a new front against Nazi Germany in the west earlier in World War II. In 1970 he was awarded Nobel Prize in Literature but was charged with treason and exiled from the Soviet Union in 1974. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev restored Solzhenitsyn's citizenship in 1990 and the treason charge was finally dropped in 1991. He returned to Russia in 1994.

Some of his most famous works include ' and his non-fiction works ' and . It appears he has died of either a stroke or a heart attack.


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Comments:Falcon 1 rocket fails during third launch attempt

What happened to the rocket? Was the payload recovered? 69.22.235.121 23:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The rocket failed because the first stage failed to properly detach from the second stage; the company hasn't yet said whether or not they were able to recover anything. The first and second stages of the rocket are intended to be reusable, so it is possible that it parachuted down as normal. That doesn't seem likely to me though, because the second stage would have been weighed down by the first stage hanging off its end. Still, we won't know until the company releases some more info. I'm more curious about what the exact cause of failure was. Hopefully it wasn't a major design flaw. Gopher65talk 23:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


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NASA denies rumors of finding life on Mars

August 5, 2008 NASA has denied media and internet speculation that the Phoenix Lander has found life on the 'Red Planet', Mars and has also denied that the White House in the United States has been briefed on such matters that would lead up to an announcement by NASA later this week. This comes just after NASA stated on July 31, that Phoenix confirmed the presence of water-ice on Mars.

Rumors began to spread on the internet Saturday after an unnamed scientist working on the Phoenix Mission stated to Aviation Week & Space Technology, the White House had been briefed on "provocative and complex" information that NASA has yet to disclose to the public regarding the "potential for life on Mars." The scientist said that the announcement will be regarding the habitability of Mars rather than finding actual life. The scientist also said that the information had been excluded from the July 31 press conference.

NASA immediately denied those claims sending out a message on Twitter, a social networking and micro-blogging website which is used by NASA to communicate to the public in a style pretending that the Lander itself is talking to its readers, stating, "Heard about the recent news reports implying I may have found Martian life. Those reports are incorrect. Reports claiming there was a White House briefing are also untrue and incorrect." The Phoenix Lander, according to NASA, does not have the ability to detect life, past or present, but the Lander's MECA microscopy station could potentially 'see' bacteria in the soil, which NASA states have not been discovered.

"[The report of a White House briefing is] not true [and is] bogus". MECA results have not been discussed at the White House. There is no one who knows either on the [Phoenix] project in Tucson or at [NASA] HQ who knows where this information came from," said Peter Smith, the top investigator for the Phoenix Mission. Smith also added that MECA has "nothing new to report."

The MECA or Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer, is designed to analyze soil samples as small as 16 μm to determine the chemical composition of the sample. While the lander were unable to image any bacteria, Phoenix's MECA did detect potassium, magnesium and chloride, minerals that are necessary to create or sustain life. MECA also determined that the soil was acidic, which means it could support the growing of some plants from Earth like asparagus.

"We are attempting to assess the chemicals and minerals that make up the soil composition. We are now about half way through the process and there are several conflicting points of view. This is not a good time to go public with half the story," added Smith who also stated that "we are committed to following a rigorous scientific process. While we have not completed our process on these soil samples, we have very interesting intermediate results. Initial MECA analyses suggested Earth-like soil. Further analysis has revealed un-Earthlike aspects of the soil chemistry."

Despite the denials by NASA, some Internet observers maintain that NASA is still preparing for a major announcement.

"The reason that all this seems so hush-hush is due to a future paper and press release that appears likely to pop out of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) and its Science magazine. Whatever the poop is from the scoop that’s been studied by Phoenix, that information is purportedly going through peer-review", said David Leonard for LifeScience.com.

NASA will hold a media teleconference today August 5, at 2:00 p.m. EDT, to discuss these recent science activities.


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My bad, should put this material outside of the article.

NASA now says that the reports that White House was briefed about an unannounced discovery are incorrect. However, it's not clear whether there was never an unannounced discovery in the first place either. In other words, while NASA has denied briefing the White House about it, NASA has not denied that there is an significant unannounced discovery despite press reports to the contrary. In my mind, this selective denial means there is an unannounced discovery (and I can still see before me the dodgy expression on principal investigator Peter Smith's face when inquired about MECA at the recent press conference).

Please wait a week or two before declaring this a complete duck.

http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/08/nasa_uses_twitt.html

--83.89.0.118 01:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Curiously, I was not the only one to note the expression on the faces of the panelists:
 * '[A reporter] began, if I remember correctly, by asking where the "MECA guys" were, asking if they had "been hidden under the table"... cue uncomfortable laughs from the panel...' (http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=5365&view=findpost&p=121942)
 * Whether they were embarrased/uncomfortable because they were hiding something or because they thought it was a silly question is anybody's guess.
 * --83.89.0.118 01:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Having found a video of the press conference, the question (regarding MECA, about 50:40 into the session) of the reporter in question (Craig Covault) was a little awkwardly posed (roughly: "... and have you advised the president that you're looking at what you're about to tell me you're looking at [in MECA] - I hope?") which may have been the reason for the uneasy moment. The answer, as I heard it, was plainly scientific and did not contain any indications of a cover-up, though two panelists made it clear that it would take time (a month or two) to complete a full analysis of the MECA results. --83.89.0.118 02:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * On a sidenote, Peter Smith at the conference states very literally that the mission and/or NASA has yet to discover organic materials on Mars which clearly suggest that speculations that discovery of organic compounds had been held back at the conference were wrong/incorrect. --83.89.0.118 03:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the interpretation that Science Magazine contends that NASA is about to make an announcement is wrong. This is speculation on David Leonard's part, who writes for LifeScience.com (unrelated to Science Magazine AFAICT) and SPACE.com. I could be missing something though. --83.89.0.118 03:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

A thorough report on the whole story with Peter Smith denying in, IMO, very clear terms that MECA has anything worthy of report yet: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080804-phoenix-meca.html --83.89.0.118 18:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikinewsies listen! Someone call in to the press conference!
NASA will hold a media teleconference on Tuesday, Aug. 5, at 2 p.m. EDT, to discuss these recent science activities. Participants will be introduced at the start of the briefing. To participate in the teleconference, reporters should contact Steve Cole on 202-358-0918 for dial-in and passcode information. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish my English were good enough to call in. If someone here do call in, should we coordinate it somehow? As to not have a hundred Wikinews user calling in, and also to be sure that the most important possible questions are asked. I believe NASA grants callers two questions - a question and a follow-up to that question. --83.89.0.118 02:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this teleconference looks like a fairly interesting development. Maybe its about time to ship the article we have now, to let readers know something is brewing and so we can cover the conference tomorrow in a dedicated article? --83.89.0.118 02:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

On a sidenote, there seem to be two different takes on the new result, one negative and one positive: Craig Covault, who broke the rumors initially, titles his new story "NASA Mars Phoenix Data More Negative On Potential For Life", but Peter Smith finds the complexity of the amended data set "very interesting". Either Smith has different conceptions of what an interesting result is than the rest of us because he is a scientist or maybe he is referring to how radically different Martian soil must be to generate data like this, a sort of "we ain't see nothing yet" interpretation of the results. --83.89.0.118 02:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Published
I published because it sat for over a day in review, and no one would touch it with a ten foot poll. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Good call, and nice job on the article. Now looking forward to NASA's teleconference. --83.89.0.118 03:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A "poll" is where you gather opinions on an issue; a "pole" is generally a long circular piece of wood that you use to prod things with. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up article
I went ahead and create the template for an article covering the teleconference: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/NASA_teleconference_presents_new_findings_on_Mars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.89.0.118 (talk) 03:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Perchlorate
Please note that NASA has only said that MECA 'may' have found perchlorate. And they have only done so reluctantly in order to quell the rumors. They are waiting for confirmation from TEGA. --83.89.0.118 11:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Suspect in 2001 anthrax attack dies of apparent suicide

Too early to form an opinion
Congress will later investigate this case with a fine-tooth comb. The FBI will most likely claim the case is still open in order to avoid baring all of its evidence to the Congress.


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Sixteen policemen killed in suspected terrorist attack in Xinjiang, China

August 4, 2008 Sixteen policemen were killed by unidentified assailants in, in the predominantly Muslim region of China. Another sixteen officers were wounded in the attack, in which two attackers drove a lorry into the station. The government of the People's Republic of China has repeatedly warned of unrest leading up to the 2008 Summer Olympics.

Xinhua News Agency reports that the attackers drove a dump truck into the police officers during the officers' morning exercise at about 8:00 am local time (0:00 GMT), then threw grenades into the police barracks and attacked with knives. The BBC reports that fourteen of the police deaths occurred at the scene, with two more dying en route to hospital. They also report one of the alleged attackers received a leg injury. The attackers were arrested, according to police.

After they were arrested by the police, the assailants were described as being 28 and 33, and of the minority, a  speaking people who reside primarily in the Xinjiang region. The police found an additional 10 explosives in the truck as well as what was described as a "home-made gun."

The autonomous Xinjiang region of China is a large, sparsely-populated territory in the north-west of the country. The population includes many groups, but the largest is the including the largely Muslim. Kashgar is an oasis city at an important junction of trade routes, near China's western borders, and was a part of the historic "."


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Talk:Sixteen policemen killed in suspected terrorist attack in Xinjiang, China

unpublished
One-sentence article should be expanded before publication. -  Amgine | t 05:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"16" or "sixteen"
This is a sort-of grey area, the style guide is clear and emphatic on anything <10/11, but not so on anything outside this range. Should we be saying that anything up to twenty should be spelt? Should we be spelling decades (i.e. 20,30,40,50 and so on)?

I'd say that within an article it is less of an issue and the preference should be to spell things out where it isn't something silly like 142. But in titles space is at a premium and we might want to apply different rules. Obviously with really big numbers you wrap round to the spell-out rules again. You don't put 1,000,000 (or whatever decimal separator you want to war over), you put one million. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Generically speaking, any number starting an article title, or a paragraph, should be spelt out in full. Any number of two or fewer words starting a sentence should be spelt out. All others should be numerically represented. (This is one of the areas where news style guides vary widely: Telegraph uses only zero through ten, prefers rounding so ten million vs 9.87 m or 9,874,302; AP style is inconsistent with itself, using spelt out for 0 to 9, numerals for 10 and above, except when it's an age or a percent which is always numerals, except if it begins a sentence in which case any number of any length is spelt out, unless it happens to be a year...; &c.) -  Amgine | t 02:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:16 policemen killed by terrorist attack in Kashgar, Xinjiang

Man China has enemy's in every category. --66.229.12.186 05:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


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User:MichaelMaggs

This is the User page of Michael Maggs. You can contact me most easily via my talk page on Commons.

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User talk:MichaelMaggs

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cirt (talk) 06:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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Comments:Gunman kills three in Wisconsin shooting

Scott Johnson must DIE!
Scott Johnson took the lives of 3 very young poeple. Because of this man so many people have been hurt and lives and have been ruined.Johnson didn't just affect the family's and the friends of these victims, he took away the trust and comfort people had in this town. Sending our children outside to play or go swimming will never be the same. This man brought hell to our town and we are just supposed to live with the fact that everything has changed. Maybe it's "playing God" to say that Scott Johnson should die, but I'm sure many, many people are feeling that way right now. Feeling as though he too should lose his life for the terrible tragedy that he has cast upon this town. I have never in my LIFE looked at a picture in such disgust as when I saw the picture released of "the killer", (Scott Johnson) Everytime the news channel shows his picture I feel such anger and hurt and I feel as though I want to throw up.

I wish the family's of Tony, Bryan, and Tiffany all the best of luck. I can't tell you how very sorry I am. I want you to know that I have shed many tears for you and you are in my prayers every single day. I have an 11 month old son and I can't come close to imagining what my life would be like if I lost him. I would fall to pieces as you I'm sure have. I hope that God gives you all tghe strength you need to pick those pieces up and keep going in life.

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Stampede in India kills at least 140

August 4, 2008 At least 140 people have been killed and fifty people injured in a stampede at the temple in Naina Devi, India. The incident occurred after rumors spread about a landslide on the nearby mountain. One report indicated at least 40 of the victims were children.

The chief minister of Himachal Pradesh announced that he would give compensation to the injured and the families of the dead.

50,000 people were expected to attend the temple during the day of the stampede, as part of a nine-day Shravan Navratras festival which had just started.

Rajnath Singh, the current leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party in India responded to the stampede by releasing a statement in the hours after the disaster.

"I am deeply saddened to learn about the tragic death of over 100 pilgrims. I convey my deep felt condolences to the family members of all those who have lost their lives or have been injured in the incident," he said.

Meanwhile, Kumar Dhumal, the chief minister for Himachal, has announced an inquiry into the disaster.

Press reports say stampedes at temples are not rare occurrences. The Times Online says that about 80% of India's population 1.1 billion is Hindu. Temples can be a gathering place for over 100,000 people during festivals.

In July, a stampede in the eastern Puri killed six people. In March, 9 died when a railing broke in central India. In 2005, another stampede left an estimated 258 to 265 dead in the state of Maharashtra.

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