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Talk:Nine hundred thousand Somalis face food crisis

This story will become quite dramatic if someone can pick through the ramifications of this story: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1731786,00.html - WFP have now suspended food aid shipments to Somalia. More at Google news. ClareWhite 4 July 2005 15:57 (UTC)

 * Powerful story and image. There really is no other news nearly as important,imo. Paulrevere2005 5 July 2005 00:56 (UTC)
 * Thanks; http://irinnews.org/ is a great resource; plus we can use their images. Paulrevere2005, you're right, this is definitely more important than a Boy Scout getting lost in the woods or a teenager missing on an island. -- NGerda July 5, 2005 01:01 (UTC)

 * The second story isn't April, it's yesterday - it's not US date order. There's a whole load of other stories to confirm it. That means the 900,000 figure came before the shipments stopped. We really should merge the two stories. Sorry not to be in there myself... ClareWhite 5 July 2005 08:30 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the Clareification! -- NGerda July 5, 2005 08:32 (UTC)
 * HAHA!! Oh go on, my suggested first sentence would be:

900,000 Somalians face starvation after the World Food Programme suspended its programme because of piracy this week. Then onto the OCRA stuff then back to the piracy. ClareWhite 5 July 2005 08:35 (UTC)

 * Ya, that first sentence I just threw together in the spur of the moment. Hopefully this Live8 thing will make a difference.  Rock on!!!  -- NGerda July 5, 2005 08:40 (UTC)

Irony of the situation
I find it ironic that when a desperate people take desperate measure to support their people, the organization that provides aid to them completely pulls out. -- NGerda July 5, 2005 08:44 (UTC)

the "disturbing" image
The original image (of the starving child) with this story of is the most powerful and relevant image I have ever seen regarding this subject. It must stay in front as it tells the story better than the text does. (It has already been removed from the front page once)

Yes, its disturbing. Good that it's disturbing... this is a disturbing story and to try to lessen the disturbance is to interfere with the story.

This photo is also special in some way; maybe it 's the blending of the colour of the dirt(environment) with the child..I don't know exactly what it is..but this photo is a classic artistically and emotionally,imo. Give it its day. Paulrevere2005 5 July 2005 11:38 (UTC)
 * I agree, but Alas, no one else does. NGerda July 5, 2005 20:40 (UTC)

 * For what it's worth (nothing at this stage), I agree. The story is about the suffering of the Somalis and the photo shows that far better than the flooded village shot does. If someone is just now learning that news can be disturbing, they have led a unbelievably sheltered life and I don't see how they wandered onto a news website. Double  Blue  (Talk) 6 July 2005 16:54 (UTC)

Two stories in one article?
What's going on here? This article seems to contain two seperate stories. Wikinews articles should only concern themselves with one story at a time. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:03 (UTC)
 * And the bit about the 'WFP suspending shipments' happened three months ago! Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:09 (UTC)
 * Just seen Clare's note above - someone messed up filling in the source template. But why didn't someone fix it, instead of just leaving a note here? Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:14 (UTC)

For clarification on one story/one article, see here, specifically: ''News stories focus on a single current event or phenomenon. If developments to an on-going event or issue occur, start a new story, don't edit an old one.'' Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 12:16 (UTC)

Dan, I am going to merge the two back together. the title Nine hundred thousand Somalis face food crisis covers both of these developments. -- NGerda July 5, 2005 20:46 (UTC)

A Solution???
Somalia has 3,000 km of coastline(I know...it is amazing isn't it). I have an idea. The G8 could enter into a long term lease of the coastal areas(maybe 100 years) and turn them into a tourist destination. All profits would go to the Somalian people via a UN controlled relief fund and 80% of all employees in the "G8 Zone" would have to be Somalian. Perhaps even some big hotel chains etc. would open up on a non-profit basis(there would be profits, but they would go to the Somalians)

Hopefully by the end of the 100 years the profits would have resulted in a new economy and infrastructure for the country.

It could be done as a pilot project and I am sure a lot of Europeans would go for the warm weather in the winter. Paulrevere2005 5 July 2005 20:37 (UTC)

Typo
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'in in' => 'in' Van der Hoorn (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Done — Gopher65talk 02:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikify
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You'll find me more often on wikipedia. Please direct all talk there.

Journals tackle scientific fraud
Wikinews reported on both instances of the fraud you cited in this story. To include those previous articles (which I haven't been able to locate after a brief search), a template exists to add them:
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User:Misterpurple

Who am I?
I am Mister Purple, an anonymous person living in the UK. My interests are music, politics, basketball, and food. Seeing as Wikinews doesn't allow for NPOV articles, my blog is here, and my photo stream is here.

What have I done?
I have instigated the following articles...

 * Protestors detained after violence near G8 summit

 * Egyptian envoy's captors remain anonymous

 * Bad language on Live 8 causes complaints to the BBC

 * Civilians dead following U.S. air strike on terrorist compound

 * Underwater volcano causes 3,300ft column of steam

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Talk:17 Civilians killed by U.S. bombing attack

Use of terrorist word in headline without qualifying it as opinion, as correctly done in article, is a conversation stopper, not neutral.

The quote "terrorist compound" is from the first source; "U.S. Confirms Some Afghan Civilian Deaths". The complete sentance is as follows:

"The U.S. military confirmed some civilians were killed in the attack on what it called a known terrorist compound."

"terrorist compound" was said by the U.S. military = not an opinion

Mr. Purple 4 July 2005 20:16 (UTC)

 * Wha?! Mr. Purple! --> "U.S. military = not an opinion". I can see PaulRevere2005 jumping out of his chair now... :-))
 * Please reconsider your opinion Mr. Purple. Plz. -Edbrown05 4 July 2005 20:22 (UTC)

Mr Purple is completely correct. Dan100 (Talk) 4 July 2005 20:23 (UTC)

The statement "terrorist compound" is, according to the source named above, a statement of the U.S. military. It is not the writers opinion. This is why it is in double quotes - to suggest the validity of the portrayed "fact". Mr. Purple 4 July 2005 20:26 (UTC)

 * I reckon you still believe there were WMD in Iraq before the U.S. invaded. -Edbrown05 4 July 2005 20:29 (UTC) That was pre-war intelligence --> fact --> opinion. -Edbrown05 4 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)

Double quotes suggest mild sarcasm, whereas single quotes suggest sincerity. I would like to hear from the instigator of this. Mr. Purple 4 July 2005 20:37 (UTC)

 * I sincerely believe the attack on the small Chichal village was conducted under the guidance of U.S. intelligence gatherings of a known "terrorist compound". I fully support the effort to root out insugents and terrorists in Afghanistan. -Edbrown05 4 July 2005 20:47 (UTC)
 * You are right Mr. Purple about the use of quotations in headlines. It took me a while to come up to speed on that. And now that I am 'up to speed', I still don't think the change made from double, to single quotations, is incorrect.
 * There is no supporting source or information to dispute that the villiage wasn't a "known terrorist compound". The controversy swirls around the civilian casualties.
 * It wouldn't be right to use civilian losses as a reason to express mild sarcasm about the existance of terrorists at the location. -Edbrown05 4 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)

the T-word
Don't get too worked up everyone:) What I was trying to say in the top line of this discussion, not altogether clearly, was that who you call a terrorist is a matter of your point of view, and so it needs to be in quotes in the headline just as it is in the article body, to emphasise that in the opinion of the attackers / their intelligence / whoever, it was a "terrorist compound". You can imagine who the dead and their survivors in this event might label as "terrorists" ...

The distinction between double and single quotes is new to me. Can anyone give a reference in support? --Crockett 5 July 2005 06:30 (UTC)

Transformation
Paul is trying to change the article into a different one - it's something we don't do (see no. 5). Just start a new article - it's a much better idea, it highlights the new information much more prominently. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 11:47 (UTC)

number in headline
Not wishing to complicate this further, but: to strengthen the headline you should really take out 17 and keep it in the copy as an estimate. That citizens have been killed has been corroborated by both sides, the number is not confirmed and 'terrorist compound' is an unconfirmed assertion by one side. ClareWhite

 * Also not wishing for complications, but to simply note that Newsweek describes the site of the attack upon tiny Chitral as being across the Afghan border into Pakistan. Chopper Down Over Kunar -Edbrown05 6 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)

re: the T word
The only material on double quotes vs. single quotes is this. The article kinda explains the use of double quotes in an ironic context, though says nothing on single quotes. As far as I know, single quotes are just quotes.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought "terrorist compound" was in double quotes from the beginning? Mr. Purple 6 July 2005 09:37 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia article is a stub and unsatisfactory in its current development. I don't see how double quotes has a place in a headline unless it is intended to "scare" the reader. -Edbrown05 6 July 2005 19:18 (UTC)

Mr P: the headline did not originally contain the words "terrorist compound", but in the eighth edit they were added by Dan100, without quotes of any kind.

On the question of single vs double quotes, here is a link from a technical writers website that suggests that it all depends on which side of the Atlantic you live. Luckily I live in the middle of the Pacific, so I just make up my own rules:)--Crockett 7 July 2005 06:27 (UTC)
 * A bit late to comment here, but in grade school English, single and double quote usage was explained to me as being somewhat reversed between American English and British English, as in the article above... --CGW 7 July 2005 13:27 (UTC)


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Talk:NASA's Deep Impact probe strikes comet successfully

ok...I can throw a rock and hit a tree; so what? So far scientific research has done as much harm to society as good (think atom bomb, cluster bombs, fossil fuel energy production(pollution..duh),paxil, prozac, etc)..The really important thing,imo, is the human mentality behind and in front of and in control of the research. So the question here is "Why?" Paulrevere2005 4 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)
 * Maybe the second paragraph, The experiment, intending to provide more information about the make up of comets, consisted of a 370 kg projectile being fired at the comet in order to observe and analyse the resultant impact. With information gleaned from the impact, the comet's general make-up can be established and more accurate hypotheses regarding how the Solar system and the universe came to be. answeres your question. Basicallly it is trying to shed light on two of humanity's most basic questions: Who are we? Where did we come from? -- Davodd | Talk 4 July 2005 22:06 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'll buy that. Thanks. Paulrevere2005 5 July 2005 01:06 (UTC)


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Template talk:New page

Expanded template
I've suggested a new version of the page, to help newbies. Eloquence disputes its benefits, calling it "instruction creep". But I don't think newbies would feel the same, being, by definition, new. I think the instructions would greatly aid the mysterious and for some people daunting task of learning how to write an article. This was inspired by a relative newbie's comments on irc.

Anycase, here is what I suggest:

July 5, 2005

Deprecate Template:Date?
Template:Date puts the date and the category for that date on a page. It does nothing else. We could avoid this bit of curly braced syntax if we put something like

July 8, 2005

in the template. This looks cleaner and might be easier to understand for newbies; at the same time, it shows an example of a category in use. Thoughts?--Eloquence 8 July 2005 09:55 (UTC)

Hmmm... when i saw the title, my first impression was, "You've got to be kidding!", but you reasoning is pursuasive. Then, on second thought, as a programmer, I find redundancy to be "dirty" rather than "clean", and this probably has to do with the extra effort involved in changing said thing: When you only have to change it in one, easy-to-find place, and it's obvious where that is, what it will do, and that it will take care of all "hooks", everything is great! On the other hand, when you have to search for multiple instances and replace them every time you make a change, that's a lot more hassle (it adds up), and you run a constant risk of inconsistency. (such as an article being titled june 9, and categorized as june 8). - and this does happen, some articles take over a day to get published, and the date has to be updated accordingly. Though I got nothing against the point that it gives newbies an example of a cat in use. Kevin Baastalk 8 July 2005 23:31 (UTC)

Date issues
Having the date in the source template alread filled in is beginning to cause some problems - all sources are not created on the day we are writing an article, and if someone doesn't think to change the date, it can be wrong for a long period of time. Now, I don't know if the fix to this is a simple matter of deleting the date in the source template here, or if it's an issue with having the X tag on the top. Lyellin 18:08, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Using variables
Using variables in this template does not work. Please don't attempt it. Variables are not expanded when the new article text is generated, and articles end up using July 29, 2024 directly, resulting in ever-changing datelines. Uncle G 05:04:10, 2005-08-02 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, yes. User:Davodd suggested it in channel and I knew there was a reason we couldn't use variables -- I just couldn't remember why. Thanks for clarifying. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * well thats just silly. 72.174.2.252 10:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well actually that is not true anymore. we found a way around it. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Add the haveyoursay template
I propose we add the haveyoursay template to this right above the sources section - it is a useful little template, and provides a link to things that a lot of readers might be interested in but not know how to use. The template looks like this:

Thanks! TheFearow 10:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why " "?
Why not " "? Q0k (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't want the template page in developing, only the new articles Bawolff ☺☻ 23:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:34% more Americans killed in Iraq during past 12 months than in previous 12 months

July 2005
frankly, there's a 50%/50% chance, every year, that the title is true, assuming nothing. So as titled, this information is not newsworthy. If it can be said that the rate of causalities in increasing significantly, that's different; that's newsworthy. Kevin Baastalk 5 July 2005 03:02 (UTC)

Categories
edit protected Please add this article to Category:USA Today and update the wikilink to become local. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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United Church of Christ endorses same-sex marriage, largest Christian denomination to do so

July 5, 2005

In a meeting on Monday in Atlanta, Georgia, the United Church of Christ overwhelmingly approved a resolution supporting same-sex marriage, therefore becoming the largest Christian denomination to do so. UCC has over 6,000 congregations and 1.3 million members.

In a press conference, Rev. John H. Thomas said, "On this July Fourth the General Synod of the United Church of Christ has acted courageously to declare freedom, affirming marriage equality, affirming the civil rights of same gender couples to have their relationships recognized as marriages by the state, and encouraging our local churches to celebrate and bless those marriages."

Thomas also acknowledged that the issue of marriage equality is "the source of great conflict" not only in society but also in the churches. The UCC, he said, "is no exception" and "there are clearly great differences among our own members over this."

The decision is non-binding but asks member churches to consider wedding policies "that do not discriminate against couples based on gender" and support laws granting equal marriage rights for gays and lesbians.

Some member churches have suggested they may leave the denomination but most members appeared to support the resolution noting some ministers already perform same-sex ceremonies.

UCC was criticized last year for creating a television commercial including a gay couple being excluded from a church. The 30-second ad was rejected by most TV networks.


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Australian Prime Minister's popularity at all time low

July 5, 2005

According to recent polls, Australian Prime Minister John Howard's popularity has hit an all time low in response to his policies in industrial relations. This has combined with a backlash against Treasurer Peter Costello, after he said in an interview on Lateline that religious teachings caused children "only a little harm". This comment followed a media stunt at a major church where Mr. Costello was attempting to capture the "Religious Right" vote.

The Liberal party has hit back by calling the public reaction "Labor propaganda".


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I noticed the link for "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender" points to gay-community on Wikipedia. Should this point to LGBT] or even the [[w:Category:LGBT|LGBT category? - Tdempsey 5 July 2005 08:02 (UTC)
 * Yup. :) -- NGerda July 5, 2005 08:05 (UTC)

All well and good, but...
How do we stop these sort of portals getting taken over by POV. It stands to reason that there will be more LGBT people working on stuff specifically for this portal, which may (in the future) never show up anywhere else. How do we stop purposful or acedental POV creeping in?

Also where do we stop? A Larouche portal or a nazi portal? ~The bellman | Smile 14:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't we have a description of what is news? a news portal should also be a qualifying news topic, neh? - Amgine/talk 14:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

This came up at Wikinews_talk:Category_Portals/Local, which could be the guidelines for 'developed' community portals when people are happy with it - so please chip in! Articles on portals can be watched and policed in the same way as every other article as they aren't hidden from recent changes, but those of us in that discussion thought that it would be fair to expect some level of leeway, for example an article about LGBT rights, for example, wouldn't necessarily be struck off for not seeking the anti-LGBT rights people's views because it is about a particular community. If the religious right, say, wanted to NPOV it and add it to their portal, they would be free to do so. As for the subjects, in my view any group wishing to write news on a particular subject should be able to form a portal: it might be as tiny as a village or school. Opinion groups like the nazis? I don't know. Are they different from a religious group like the Quakers? ClareWhite 16:23, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

"LGBT" name ?
I didn't know what that meant until I came here. Perhaps something like "Rainbow Room" could be used, instead ? StuRat 19:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I think a change might possibly offend someone, so I would say it's fine the way it is. --Mrmiscellanious 19:55, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rainbow is often associated with certain lgbt communities, but is not entirely representative of all (even most) LGBT issues. So I say, let it stay as it is now. --Dčabrilo 19:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, the basic problem is that it's an abbrev that not everybody knows. Is there any other non-abbreviation that could be used ? StuRat 22:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm... It's a rather widely used abbreviation. I am sure that all people interested in LGBT issues will be aware of what it is, but... I can't think of anything better right now. --Dčabrilo 22:14, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Just being clear to those interested in those issues isn't really enough, that means everyone who isn't interested will have to pick on the category to find out what it means. How about if we just "unabbreviate" it ?  I know it's on the long side, but at least it would be clear to everyone that way. StuRat 23:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Why is there an entire portal devoted to Gay/Lesbian news? And people think sports shouldn't have it's own portal. I just don't get it. Forget it. I'll just leave it alone. --wjmoore 03:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Who says sports shouldn't have their own portal? DragonFire1024 03:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything has a portal. Crap, Spam mail has a portal. This is much more of a topic then bulk email ever will be. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

intreasting image
May be useful in future articles on this subject (same-sex marriages) — Image:World homosexuality laws.png

Nice new image
Just want to publicly anounce that the new image on the portal page rocks. --weirdjrc (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Homophobia on Wikipedia
There's a massive amount of homophobia going on at Talk:The Hardy Boys - the article has been purged of all sources that discuss the issue b/c homophobe-editors say the issue is "fringe". Any help would be appreciated! Ricardiana (talk) 17:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This isn't the right place to ask for help. Wikipedia has a well developed dispute resolution system. They would be more able to help you. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

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Aid ship sailing to Somalia hijacked; aid supply threatened

July 5, 2005 Soon after a UN report highlighted the food crisis facing Somalia, a ship carrying food aid to Somalia has been hijacked off the coast of the country and its ten crew members abducted. The pirates are demanding a ransom of half a million dollars for the return of the ship.

Neither the UN World Food Programme (WFP) nor the ship's owners are willing to pay the ransom. Last year, pirates killed 30 sailors.

The WFP hopes the ship will be released soon but cannot continue shipments until then because of safety concerns. If the ship is released soon, there will be no interruption in aid supply.

The WFP believe the crew is still on board the ship and that the crew are "fine". They hope the ship will be returned to them shortly.

The WFP supplies about 3,000 tons of food for about 275,000 Somalis per month, and the country currently has about two weeks of stocks left.


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Without much equipment or knowledge, users are making audio recordings and posting them on the commons. If you have something to contribute to our project, upload it to commons and post it here! Requires Audacity

Using IlyaHaykinson's streaming software

 * 2005/04/27 -
 * playlist.m3u
 * batch.ogg

 * 2005/04/19 -
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Hey i would like to help out with this, do you have a streaming server, if not i can get my hands on one free, and also i have an idea, you should run it simular to a tv news channel with several shows, one of wich i could do weekdays....so let me know what you all think.--Ryan524 21:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'd really like to get this project started ASAP. I think it has great potential and we can really attract a large number of listeners, and who knows - perhaps get picked up by some independent radio stations out there :D.

But we'll need a few things to get started, so here it goes:

- Anchors, perhaps figure out a time that's best for us all to broadcast a short clip at a certain time each day. We could also take turns on a chat on Skype and see how that works, but I'm not sure on how good the quality would be.

- Primary audio format, I'd like to use Vorbis but not many DAP's support this, so MP3 would have to be used if we were to set up a podcast-like feed. Anything at 64kbps or higher seems to be compatible with most DAP's (at least from my observations) as well, so no need to have uber-great sounding clips. We could also encode in different formats as well.

- Jazzy sound bytes, maybe music licensed under the PD or CC to incorporate into the clips (something to keep them interesting).

- RSS feed updater... I have no clue here, a podcast feed isn't much harder to set up than a regular RSS feed, but I have no idea to start one from a wiki like this.

After that, we'll be up and running. I'll wait for some more feedback here, but I really have high hopes for this project! --Mrmiscellanious 00:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anchors
I'm not sure we need to get too scheduled yet. Whoever has time and equipment should be doing this, I think. We should aim to update the hourly playlist at least twice a day, probably at 0600 and 1800 UTC (1400 and 0200 in my timezone.)
 * I could probably release one around 6 a.m. Eastern (1100 UTC) and again at 3 p.m. (2000 UTC), but I can't guarantee one every single day. --Mrmiscellanious 19:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

File format
Wikinews must be available in free codecs, of course. Commons.wikimedia does not support hosting sound files other than in .ogg. Wikinews does not need to be hosted exclusively on commons, though. I would personally prefer to only support .ogg simply to force more support of this free format from webcasters (our target market, imo) and Macintosh. Supposedly it is possible to play .ogg with iTunes.

Jazzy sound bites
I've been putting out feelers looking for a jingle maker to brand us with, but not getting many bites. I will continue to look, but maybe you have better sources?

The software I'm using, Audacity, would allow me to add background sound tracks, sound clips, and so on. I strongly suspect this is a good idea, but frankly my time is so sucked up during the day I can rarely put enough time into this to get 4-5 brief news headlines written and recorded. Should I ocus on fewer tracks, but adding sound layers?

 * I'm thinking why music? Nature sounds. A bird call landing close by for Wikicast intro ... voice-over dubbed to ocean surf sounds ... bird sound flying off = 3 segments -Edbrown05 02:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * A little bird whispered in my ear... -Edbrown05 02:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Way cool idea!  - Amgine/talk 02:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it! Sits well with me. -Edbrown05 02:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Talk about a way to set us apart from the competetion :) There is an australian bird that is called the magpie (very different to european magpies). Its a damn aggresive, and not particualy good looking bird, but it produces a very destinctive sound. I'll see if i can record one and upload it. Quite possibly its not appropriate, but, hey ill let you guys decide that.  ~The bellman | Smile  07:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here's news. I can get all the ocean sounds we need. The bird stuff is trickier. (A zoo?) Many sound clips are readily available for purchase. No needto go anywhere! -Edbrown05 02:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I found this nice one, "Rave Wave" from musicloops.com that would be a great background/opener for our sound clips. The clip is a loop, unsure of the license, but I was able to have permission from them to use it on my own podcast. I'll send them an email and see what they'll say about the possible usage here. --Mrmiscellanious 19:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RSS feeder
This is a technical item I will need to do research on. I do have some ideas though...

Collaborative scripting and segments
I would like to see the daily news brief being regularly updated and used as the script for an hourly update. We need to keep the hourly update to no more than 5 minutes. And it can be continuously updated through the day, if we'd like.

The way to do have the podcast continuously updated is to keep uploading files as they are recorded, and adding them to the play list (subtracting, too, to stay in the 5 minute time frame.)

 * Can this be done with DynamicPageLinking? Perhaps DPL could be done where the headline + first 2 graphs would be enough to take care of it for Wikicast purposes, it wouldn't necessarily have to be specifically for News Brief page. -Edbrown05 02:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no it can't be, unless we write a separate news brief artice for each regular article. - Amgine/talk 19:48, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Advisement
I am getting some excellent advice from a radio person, and the suggestion is to improve our voices, first. Secondly, we should aim for a small, tight news format. Here's an outline:

 * radio news are shorter than 3 minutes - 2 news + weather forecast
 * 1st news - about 2 minutes (if it's very important), 2nd news - +/- 30-40 seconds and weather forecast - max 5-10 second

Such a short time will mean really really shrinking our news down to just the shortest bullets. - Amgine/talk 22:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It depends really. Here in aus (on abc local radio at least) news goes for different lengths of time at different times of the day. We have the kind of news you describe above every quater hour. But we have longer news on the hour. before at 07:45 -08:30 we have 45 mins of news (first fifteen mins is officially news and the next half hour is current affairs program AM, but really AM is not like comercial current affair programs (at least in aus) because it really is just more in depth news - like wikinews articles, and anyway they are both read by the same person, and tend to merge into each other). Again from 17:45 - 18:30 we have the same thing (though now it is called PM). So basically, in conclusion, i presume our target audience is ppl who listen to podcasts, not radio, and even if it was radio there is still a lot of room for movement. I think we should develop a range of podcasts each with specific timelimits, purposes and audiences. Sorry if i sound like im coming back and trying to tell ppl what to do, but im just so excited by this, words really cant express it. best of luck to everyone.  ~The bellman | Smile  07:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Submissions through Skype?
I've found a great way to set up an answering-machine like setup for Skype. I think if we organized the Audio page a little more, and included ways of how users can submit their own bulletins, our project can really get off the ground.

Anyways, back to the Skype machine... if anyone would like to test it out, send a short audio message to wikinewsmachine. I've nicknamed it AWAM (Audio Wikinews Answering Machine), and this will record all incoming Skype conversations. --Mrmiscellanious 04:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Comments
I just heared the latest edition. It's very complete, though probably a bit long. And what happened to the tunes? I believe I heared some tunes on a previous edition. To be frank, the current format seems to me a bit monotone. -- Redge (Talk) 17:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I do agree about the broadcasts being a bit monotone, try and listen to a news broadcast from the Beeb and try to listen to the pauses and how the newsreaders gentley speak in a relaxing mood but being serious and the same time. 159753 15:12, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I am interested in reading Wikinews articles for the Wikinews network and/or Audio Wikinews. How do I do this, where do I send it, and where do I get that backgroud music? --206.45.170.232 01:02, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding your interest in WikiNews Network, we are currently testing out an easy-to-use system to submit a show and get broadcasting. We expect this system to be ready within the next couple of weeks.  I greatly appreciate your interest in WikiNews Network, and hopefully you will still be interested in doing broadcasts when are system is ready. NGerda 02:13, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Transcripts?
I just listened to the latest release. Are there transcripts? What is the source that says "the US military has admitted that the koran had been mishandled"? I'm referring to: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/20050528-1800UTC.ogg
 * I read it off the Wikipedia Current Event section, which links to a BBC article that says the following: "The demonstrations came after the US military admitted some of its guards had mishandled the Muslim holy book." --Mrmiscellanious 21:45, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This has been a very confusing issue in my mind. I'm not sure what to make of the BBC statement. If I look at the ACLU's official website, I can't find any such claim: http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18320&c=206 seems to be current and relevant. All I can find are documents that mention detainees allegations.
 * I agree, that's the only bit I could find (BBC) that claimed the soldiers had to do anything. I was reading it straight off the page, and didn't catch myself until the episode was already published.  This whole item is a mess, I'll stop reporting on it alltogether, it'll be much easier to stick to the facts that way.  --Mrmiscellanious 00:39, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually think this is a place wikinews could shine, by trying to objectively catlogue and sift through the various claims in MSM.

Metric system
Just a minor detail : since this is an international endeavour, shouldn't we provide metric numbers for all measures?
 * Good idea :>) NGerda 16:47, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Oh my fucking god
This is brilliant. You guys have done so much while ive been away. My mind is reeling with the posibilites. WOW. Ok, so ive almost finished my exams and should be on holidays soon (back in a place where the internet connection is free and my ports open (so i can use IRC)) so hopefully ill get involved again.

Questions:
 * 1) Does anyone know if most players that understand the vorbis codec would understand the speex codec? They are both ogg, but speex is designed specifically for speech so can be compressed a whole heap better than vorbis, and is also automagically gets rid of some of the background noise. Through the miracle of ogg packaging however, it is possible to include both speex and vorbis in the one file (if we ever needed something other than speech). Anyway, this isnt really important, just something to keep in the backs of our minds for now.
 * Most, if not all, can properly decode Vorbis and Speex. I have had trouble in the past finding a decent Speex encoder, though - and it is even lesser popular than Vorbis (plus, I don't know if Commons supports Speex files [they're in the OGG container anyway, but I think there's a rule against Speex]).  In any way, we can just recommend VLC to those who can't play back the files. --Mrmiscellanious 04:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) What about regional variations? i presume that at some point in the future we want multiple casts, from different regions and the like, how are we planning on handling this? Are we going to have one 'official' cast, and then multiple casts with different accents. What if two people want to be the voice of Australia (for example)? If this has already been discussed just point me to where.
 * Then they can sign up on the schedule.

 * 1) What basic hardware/software does one need to set this up?
 * Icecast or Nicecast.

Ryan proposed the initial idea for WikiNews Network, and we're working on a new broadcasting system. Think of it as wiki for radio.
 * 1) Who was the driving force behind this (i know DV was trying to get it up and running before he left)? Whoever it was i vigorously shake your hand.

Congratualtions everyone, now: to infinity and beyond.

~The bellman | Smile 07:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh and i forgot, hows about including the quote of the day in there too (if ppl think that it would fit in), just so wikiquote doesnt feel left out ~The bellman | Smile  07:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Lol NGerda 18:26, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

So you want to do a show, huh?
I now have a specification from at least one webcasting group who would like to have Audio Wikinews in their daily schedule. This specification will require hard work from people in this project to meet the demands:

 * An hourly news update:
 * 5 minutes long
 * Short stories a minimum of 20 seconds
 * Long stories a maximum of 90 seconds
 * Updated at least daily
 * If possible, two different news updates, so they can be alternated (even hours have track A, odd hours have track B)

Another optional item is a full news show. This could be a half-hour or a full-hour show. If full-hour it would be in two 29 minute segments with no over-lap.

 * A daily news show
 * 29 minutes
 * Short story minimum 90 seconds
 * Long story maximum 330 seconds
 * Weekly schedule
 * Can be two stories per week (weekend show) or 5 stories per week (weekday show)
 * Format may be multiple broadcaster or single announcer

For each of these we would want to use a single URL so the webcaster may automate the system. I think this can be done on commons; will test to make sure. - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Issues
The current Audio Wikinews page top section excludes people who want to do work on this project. It needs to be changed to be inclusive, so the information about where the program is recorded must be removed.

The project scripts, where they are developed and where they are archived, needs to be prominently advertised so people can get involved in editing them. Can does not mean will, but it needs to be an option. In general, the entire set up is not very public; it needs to be more accessible, more sunlight and less shade. - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would like to start converting all of the Ogg Vorbis files to MP3 files, which are much more widely used. Any comments? --Munchkinguy 30 June 2005 00:14 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, Commons does not accept mp3s if I recall correctly. It's one of the reasons we started with .Ogg - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:17 (UTC)

Discussion
I've been going back through some of the tracks which have been recorded, and we have a great start here! I'm looking for places which would be interested in carrying the feed, so we can get as many audio stations using the material as pl.wikinews has. One thing everyone is looking for is some standards of production (how long it is, etc.) so they can work their schedules around it. What do you folks think? are you interested in making material which will be webcast/broadcast on non-commercial and commercial stations? - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Why don't the Wikinews Newsbriefs play on the Wikinews Network at the beginning every hour? --Munchkinguy 29 June 2005 23:24 (UTC)

 * Hello? --Munchkinguy 1 July 2005 18:00 (UTC)

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User talk:64.39.176.164

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User talk:Mac

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DR
I'm requesting deletion for some content you created. please look at WN:DR. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Common content
A lot of what you're setting up doesn't look right for a news site, we have Browse for navigation and the other term than "encyclopedic" that I'd use is instruction creep. Please take some time to explain what you're trying to do on the Water cooler. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No, this is not encyclopedic content. It´s common Wikimedia content and categories. Some categories are suggested (i.e. category:vehicles didn´t exist before. If there is a lot of news for a common category, one can create it --Mac 22:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You will find that your pages are going to end up listed on WN:DR, two already are. As I said, engage the community and try and explain how what you are doing benefits us. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

template:see also
Please see Deletion requests. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

template sharing project
Please see m:Talk:MP:TSP. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Commons templates are not a problem. We can use Wikinews specific templates also (i.e. adding a number to the template name or create a name+news), if more appropiate for a news or page. --Mac 09:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, could you rephrase that? I don't understand what you mean. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

New page
It is hard to see a page created by you in the recent times. Can you give me any one ?. Regards.--Mac 09:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Define page. (article, or any page including things like templates?). However I mostly concentrate on non-writing tasks so my new page creation is lower then most people. If you want to see statistics of what I'm editing, see here Bawolff ☺☻ 19:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Midwestern Weed May Inspire Newfound Respect
Hi, that looks like it could make an interesting article, however most editors in wikinews agree that we should not simply reproduce press releases from elsewhere. I am therefore removing the text from the page. If someone (perhaps you?) felt like writing one, the press release would make a good source for an article about the topic though. Regards Sean Heron 07:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I´ve just added the source you had used, and then noticed the date of the press release... I fear that isn´t really news. Sean Heron 08:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Paper week magazines includes interesting news about science and technology happened during the week or previous weeks. I think there would be a Science and Technology Magazine in Wikinews --Mac 12:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify: Documents produced by the US government are public domain. That technically means that they could be reproduced here on Wikinews without being a copyright infringement. However, it would be a violation of WN:NPOV to do so. Wikinews could be used as a mouth-piece of the US government. While this particular article about a small plant that could be used in biofuels may seem harmless enough, you have to think about the principle. --SVTCobra 00:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a beginning. Everybody can collaborate and improve if necessary. But the worse news is the news that doesn´t exist. The rest of them are improve-able. --Mac 09:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

PD US goverment
I´m sorry to bother again already, but could you explain when this notice would be used ? When editing it says just above the summary box:  Your work will be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License and will be attributed to "Wikinews". I don´t know any exeptions of this rule. Regards Sean Heron 08:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * any content posted before September 2005 i think is posted under PD license. - User:Markie
 * True, but I also just saw that there are some images that fall undder PD USGov, so I apologize, the template is used. Sean Heron 08:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Renewable energy
Can you actually find articles to put in this? I believe for news our categorisation system should be based on our regional and topical categories. A news article that fitted into "Renewable energy" could do so because of being in Category:Politics and conflicts, or in Category:Economy and business. You seem to be missing this organisation which can be found here. So, which of our top level categories does this one fit in? If you check the history of WN:DR you'll see we have a habit of deleting encyclopedic categories that can't be fitted into our system. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Economy and business is a very transited category. And there is a lot of news about renewable energy (this is the way to low or no-carbon economy derived of the Kyoto Protocol). --Mac 12:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Like Brain said, it's an encyclopedic category. We do have Category:Environment and Category:Climate change already also. And there has been no concerns that I know of about those categories. Our main goal on Wikinews is journalism and to write news. If you're interested in climate change and environment subjects you are most welcome to create news articles on it. We appreciate in-depth articles on those subjects, so go ahead and start writing. :-) — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  17:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like climate change category. --Mac 09:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Again
Stop creating content that doesn't belong on a news site. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just undone the bloody mess you made. Don't do it again or I will block you for being disruptive. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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Sunnis fighting al-Qa'eda insurgents in Western Iraq

July 5, 2005

Sunnis have turned their weapons on al Qa'eda fighters in a town in western Iraq.

The local Sunni leaders in Husaybeh are fighting the followers of a Jordanian born terrorist, Abu Musab Zarqawi, who uses the town as a point to smuggle foreign fighters into the country.

Fighting first broke out in May, when a local tribal sheik was murdered on the orders of Zarqawi, and fighting broke out using small arms and mortars. The Shiek had invited US Marines to lunch as a sign of goodwill.

The foreigners have also enforced a strict Islamic code forbidding the wearing of Western clothing, and shops selling music and satellite dishes have been closed.

Anyone suspected of helping Coalition troops is kidnapped or killed - even those seen to be helping the Iraqi government, such as officials responsible for water and electricity supplies. As a result, local services have collapsed.

"We thought they were patriotic. Now we discovered that they are sick and crazy. They interfered in everything, even how we raise our children. They turned the city into hell, and we cannot live in it anymore," said Arkan Salim, 56, who fled the town with his wife and four children.

The US military in the town has not been targeted - in fact the insurgents have taken care to avoid firing mortar rounds too close to the US base, less they become involved in the fighting. Local tribes have secretly tipped off the US military so they can bomb the terrorists.

Iraqis said that the fighting is a sign of the fracturing in support foreign fighters in Iraq are experiencing. They have been losing public support amongst Sunni communities, the Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafari said, after attempts to include Sunnis in the political process.


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User talk:212.82.10.34

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User talk:151.198.143.79

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Israeli man faces attempted murder charges for stabbing three gay pride marchers

July 5, 2005

The man charged with stabbing three participants at Jerusalem’s June 30 gay pride parade faces attempted murder charges.

Yishai Shlisel, an orthodox Jew, said his deep religious conviction led to his actions. "I came to murder on behalf of God. We can’t have such abomination in the country," Shlisel said during a police interrogation, according to authorities.

The combination of police eye-witnesses, video evidence and his confession led to Shlisel being charged with three counts of attempted murder Tuesday in a Jerusalem district court. Prosecutors allege Shlisel purchased an 18-centimeter (seven inches) knife in preparation of going to the parade with the intent to kill homosexuals.

Medical authorities say the victims, two aged 18 and one aged 50, suffered light to moderate stab wounds.

Even before this knife attack, the 2005 Jerusalem gay pride parade already had an extensive legal record. Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski's previous decision to cancel the parade as inappropriate for his city was overturned in court. About 5,000 gay pride marchers and 1,000 protestors turned up for the Thursday night event.

Police temporarily halted the parade after a group of 100 orthodox Jews attempted to force their way through police barricades chanting "Gay is shame!" One man, allegedly Shlisel, did break through and stabbed three marchers. Other religious protestors against the march, including Jews, Christians and Muslims, were peaceful according to authorities.


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Talk:Aid ship sailing to Somalia hijacked; aid supply threatened

Somalia has 3,000 km of coastline(I know...it is amazing isn't it). I have an idea. The G8 could enter into a long term lease of the coastal areas(maybe 100 years) and turn them into a tourist destination. All profits would go to the Somalian people via a UN controlled relief fund and 80% of all employees in the "G8 Zone" would have to be Somalian. Perhaps even some big hotel chains etc. would open up on a non-profit basis(there would be profits, but they would go to the Somalians)

Hopefully by the end of the 100 years the profits would have resulted in a new economy and infrastructure for the country.

It could be done as a pilot project and I am sure a lot of Europeans would go for the warm weather in the winter. Paulrevere2005 5 July 2005 20:34 (UTC)

 * I like this idea, although I suspect Somalia might not like the idea of the G8 taking over. But perhaps commercial leasing is exactly the sort of thing that would be more acceptable to countries than peacekeeping missions 'invading'. Forget non-profit, it should all be for sheer profit, but with the rules skewed to benefit as many locals as possible, you could have grants for business development and all sorts. Don't forget that Somalia is now in the 'tsunami' zone but I don't suppose that will put off the tourists for long.
 * Also the leasing would mean that the waters could be protecting from pirates by international navies.
 * Is there a SolutionsWiki? There should be! ClareWhite 6 July 2005 13:07 (UTC)

What happened to the article? Clicking on the article (which is currently the lead) leads me to a different article with different text. 142.167.82.211 5 July 2005 20:35 (UTC)