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Comments:Thousands protest PM Harper in Toronto

Coallition is a farce. The rest of Canada prefers a Conservative majority.
This is a typical eastern (Ontario and Quebec) bias. As usual, they try to run/bully the rest of Canada. Canada needs to move forward and the coalition is a step backwards. If there was an election called, the polls show that the Conservatives would win a majority due to the coallitions partnership with the Bloc. How the liberals and NDP aliance with the Boc can be seen as beneficial is astounding. The Bloc want to rip Canada apart. The Liberals didn't even want Dion as their own leader. To accept Dion as the PM would be delusional. The coallition is trying to force a budget when we need to wait for the US response to the auto industry. In a time where Western and Atlantic Canada is carrying the country, perhaps the east should think twice about it's importance to this country in terms of their political views.
 * 62 percent, its not bullying its democracy. Enjoy your minority government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.197.146 (talk) 08:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't wait until we have proportional representation in federal politics. Then it will be completely impossible for the conservatives to get a majority, since at any given time an absolute maximum of 40% of the population supports them (normally 5 to 10% less). The stupid system we have right now is farcical. I don't even vote any more because with with way the current system is set up, my vote doesn't get counted. Gopher65talk 13:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If only every one who thinks your way voted against parties which blocks proportional representation. And only then can you get your wish.
 * If you ignore the fact that the conservatives had paned to overthrow the government with the help of bloc two times since 2000. That as a supporter of the coalition, the Bloc can only volt, and the Conservatives have to volt with the Bloc for it to count. So the Bloc can do no damage without the help of Conservatives. Also how Harper's demonetization of Quebecers have contributed more than any separates have dreamed for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.59.144.21 (talk) 06:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

TRAITORS!Crying losers!Betrayers of democracy! We are at war in Afghanistan, we are facing the worst financial crisis in history and these traitors side with those who would divide and destroy our great country! Traitors should be shot! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.141.64.229 (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Calm down comrade commissar, I hate to tell you this but Stalin is dead.

Nice bias... Maybe this should be called WikiPropaganda... Shame on the author. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.138.162 (talk) 03:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, nice liberal bias Wikinews, did your comrade share it with you? I can't believe that you people would try to have the poor man thrown out of office after he won the election fair and square! I do believe I know how politics work, as I read the news every day, I think this is illegal! He was voted in, and that is final!

As for everyone else in Canada not in Quebec or Ontario, supporting the Conservatives, this is absolutely correct. Elections aren't decided in big provinces and busy streets; They're decided in the fisheries, farms, and seal-hunting outposts of all the other provinces and territories, because they're what REAL Canada is all about! --204.81.230.186 14:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Launch of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory rover delayed until 2011

It's a real shame that we have to wait an additional two years, but on the other hand, losing MSL would be a disaster. It will be the most sophisticated probe ever sent to Mars and, if successful, will return far more knowledge about Mars' history and habitability than any of the two stalwart MER rovers, Spirit and Opportunity. So, sorry to see delay, but I wish NASA the best, and hope they will detect microbial Martians once they finally do get there :) --77.75.161.35 08:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

It is truly a dissappointment to see when extremely potential progressions in science seem to always boil down to the money. Im sure this is frustrating for everyone involved in this project but I can see the best coming out of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.19.27.6 (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely disappointing to see this type of behavior. We are at a race against time for Human civilization and exploration, money and laziness push and set us back yet again. It is just inexcusable for our global civilization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.249.224 (talk) 00:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Sunshine Coast Council ratifies McDonald's development rejection

If McDonald's are as community oriented as they try to sell in their tv-advertising, then allow them them the chance to adhere to the voices of the local community. We don't need another McDonald's 24/7. There's one in Mooloolaba and one right north of Alex, only 5 min apart.

Nice original reporting 24.30.16.34 16:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * While the company has every right to hold the hours it chooses, it does have to answer to the laws and policies of the community. If a person were to move to a different town, country, etc they would be expected to follow the rules of that place.  Companies, such as McDonalds, should adhere to and respect those same rules.

Anti-social?
I don't understand how anyone can claim that a restaurant is anti-social. It would be the exact opposite since it would bring people together who would be eating there. I don't know my MD wants to put one there since they already have one just 1km away. Business must be good! In any case, if the people don't want it, MD shouldn't force it, otherwise they're going to get into trouble. -Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.68.167 (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand this either. You'd think people would boycott the place if it was 'anti-social'.  Also, I must admit that I don't really understand what they mean by "It's an anti-social establishment".  Do gangs sell cocaine in the McDonalds bathrooms or something?  Fephisto (talk) 12:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

McDonalds, they're assholes! I'm gonna have a Barby in my garden to protest!I wouldn't want a warm beer would I?

I believe the anti-social comment refers to gangs of youths and vehicles congregating loudly there in the early hours of the morning when there are no alcohol sources or other social locations open.

Who is surprised?
Welcome to the era of corporate influence, where laws are meaningless, and corporations will sue until finally someone caves and gives them what they want; Rotten Ronnies is no different. Hopefully whatever court the appeal to next will refuse to hear them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.155.24 (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

MCD should certainly follow the wishes of the community. If they already have a 24-hour store a few miles away, how much extra business do they actually stand to gain from extending the hours of another nearby store? It's good to see residents of a town speaking out and objecting to corporate giants. If only we could get people to do that here in America, haha.


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Militants in Pakistan torch NATO, US military vehicles

December 7, 2008

Pakistani officials have reported that vehicles supplying NATO forces in Afghanistan have been set on fire by suspected militants. The attack occurred in the northwestern city of Peshawar which lies on Pakistan's North-Western frontier at 0230 local time.

Sources claim that more than 250 gunmen using rockets, grenades and AK-47s overpowered the guards setting the Humvees on fire. The Pakistani officials claim that 96 trucks, 70 Humvees and 6 containers were destroyed.

In November this year, 12 lorries carrying Humvees were captured by the militants in the famous Khyber Pass. The convoy was also carrying food and aid to the NATO forces in Afghanistan.


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Comments:Brazil blames human error for 2006 midair airliner collision

Typical Brazilian report. Blame the Americans and not their own failed ATC system.

 * I would agree. The ATC system was horrendous, although the controllers might take some blame. The aircraft merely followed its flight plan and complied with all instructions. The technical failure cannot be randomly attributed to a theoretical cause, that is dangerous. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


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Irish government orders recall of all pork products

December 7, 2008

The Irish government has ordered the recall of all pig products processed in the Republic since 1st September, following the discovery of extremely high levels of dioxins in slaughtered pigs which are thought to have eaten contaminated feed.

The Food Standards Agency of Ireland revealed that tests have shown that pork products from several farms contained over two hundred times more dioxin than the accepted safe limit. Food safety officials are investigating an animal-feeds factory in south-eastern Ireland which is thought to be the source of the contamination. It is thought that one cause of the contamination may have been the use of out-of-date bread which did not have its plastic wrapping removed before being processed into animal feed.

Northern Ireland's Agriculture Minister, Michelle Gildernew, said that restrictions were placed on nine farms in Northern Ireland on Friday, which had used the same source of animal feed. Northern Irish agriculture department officials have been in close contact with the Republic's Department of Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food (DAFF) as the situation has developed. The British Food Standards Agency has advised British consumers not to eat pork or products such as pork sausages, bacon, salami or ham, from either the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, but expressed the view that there is no significant immediate health risk as exposure to dioxin has to be at a high level for a prolonged time to be dangerous.

Ireland exported €368 million worth of pigmeat products in 2007, half of it to Britain.

The Irish Association of Pigmeat Producers said that ten farms in the Republic had been affected, responsible for less than ten percent of total production, and that the recall was a precautionary move.


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Wikimedia, IWF respond to block of Wikipedia over child pornography allegations

December 8, 2008

On December 7, Wikinews first reported that some Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in the United Kingdom, were filtering access to an image and an article on the popular, free online encyclopedia Wikipedia, amid allegations that they contain child pornography. The filter was brought into play by the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), which issued a statement regarding the filtering shortly after Wikinews published the article. Wikimedia, the host of Wikinews and Wikipedia oppose the IWF's actions, also issuing a statement.

"A Wikipedia web page, was reported through the IWF’s online reporting mechanism in December 2008. As with all child sexual abuse reports received by our Hotline analysts, the image was assessed according to the UK Sentencing Guidelines Council (page 109). The content was considered to be a potentially illegal indecent image of a child under the age of 18, but hosted outside the UK," said the IWF in a statement posted on their website.

The image and article in question is that of the 1976 album Virgin Killer, a studio album by the Scorpions, a German rock band. The controversy began after the image of the album's original cover, which depicted a naked prepubescent girl, was reported to the IWF in early December. Wikinews first discovered the controversial image in May 2008 after there were several attempts to delete it on Wikipedia. The image had been blocked because the IWF considered it to be "potentially illegal". As a result, the IWF have contacted authorities in the United States and in the UK.

The measures applied redirect Wikipedia-bound traffic from a significant portion of the UK's Internet population through a small number of servers which can log and filter the content that is available to the end user. A serious side-effect of this is the inability of administrators on Wikimedia sites to block vandals and other troublemakers without potentially impacting hundreds of thousands of innocent contributors who are working on the sites in good faith.

Contributors or individuals attempting to view an affected image or file, depending on their ISP, may get a warning saying, "we have blocked this page because, according to the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), it contains indecent images of children or pointers to them; you could be breaking UK law if you viewed the page." Other ISPs provide blank pages, 404 errors, or other means of blocking the content. Wikimedia was not informed that the image would be blacklisted because the IWF "does not issue takedown notices to ISPs or hosting companies outside the UK". The servers for Wikimedia projects are located in Florida in the U.S., and according to Jay Walsh, the head of communications for Wikimedia, the Foundation "opposes" the action taken by the IWF.

"The IWF has confirmed to the Wikimedia Foundation that it has added Wikipedia to its blacklist, which also had the unintended consequence of rendering UK-based internet users unable to edit the encyclopedia," said Walsh.

"We did advise one of our partner Hotlines abroad and our law enforcement partner agency of our assessment. The specific URL (individual webpage) was then added to the list provided to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to protect their customers from inadvertent exposure to a potentially illegal indecent image of a child," added the statement by the IWF.

"We have no reason to believe the article, or the image contained in the article, has been held to be illegal in any jurisdiction anywhere in the world. We believe it's worth noting that the image is currently visible on Amazon, where the album can be freely purchased by UK residents. It is available on thousands of websites that are accessible to the UK public," said Mike Godwin, legal counsel for Wikimedia. The cover has since been removed from Amazon.com.

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Talk:Wikinews interviews Brian Moore, Socialist Party USA presidential candidate

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Article was slightly changed from email for grammar purposes, and one question was left out by Mr. Moore's request as he did not like it, due to party conflict and instead give an ambigous answer that didn't answer much, after consulting with a couple of folks in #wikinews, I decided to drop it.

Here is the e-mail in it's original form

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Brian Moore's Final Responses, #3; Answer to #13

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Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:38 pm

To: "WikipediaNews: Patrick Mannion"

Cc: "Brian Moore For President, 2008"

1) Why do you want to be President?

Because the two party political system, and our capitalistic economic system, are not addressing nor are they resolving the problems domestically nor internationally. I believe we need candidates of courage and vision to address issues in a forthright and alternative way, and noone so far, does that through the systems and solutions that they offer.

I also want to represent the working man and woman, the common man, and the poor, and bring equality and fairness and respect to them, which does not exist now under our systems and society.

2) Have you ever run for political office before?

Yes, I ran for city council and mayor in Washington, DC in the 1980's and 1990's; and I ran for the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Senate in Florida in 2002, 2004 and 2006 respectively.

3) Have you ever been a member of a political party, other than the one you're currently in?

Yes, I was a member of the Democratic Party, the Citizens Party, the Reform Party and the Socialist Party. I also was an Independent for a long period of time.

4) Have you ever campaigned for another political candidate?

Yes, from 1967 through 1984 and in the 1990's and early 2000's I campaigned for congressmen, senators, governors and presidents in California, Utah, New Mexico, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Maryland and Washington, DC. I have collected signatures on petitions, raised money, held fundraisers, parties, meetings, signs, attended meetings, etc for two dozen candidates over a 30-year period. I only decided to run as a candidate myself at the age of 41, after campaigning for the first 17 years for other candidates. After becoming a candidate in 1984, I still campaigned for others in my off years up to 2004.

5) What is your current job?

I am semi-retired at 64 (will be 65 in June, 2008), but am presently looking for work again, despite my presidential candidacy, because my younger wife recently lost her banking job with regard to home loans and mortgages. Since I have a graduate degree, it may be easier for me to regain employment than she, who worked her way up through the banking industry for 25 years without attending college.

6) What skills or ideas do or previous positions, you bring from this position that will benefit the Oval Office?

Not sure your question is clear. I have worked in the private and public sector, for-profit and non-profit sectors, domestically and internationally, as an administrator, project director, fundraiser   and in sales. I have worked with the poor and solicited funds from corporations and governments as well. I speak Spanish and some Portuguese, and have traveled and lived in South America for almost eight years. I have been involved civically and politically and professionally for forty years, I play sports and attend cultural events, and feel I am well-rounded. I speak out forthrightly on the issues, take strong and clear stands, take the initiative a lot and leader and/or start causes and projects in a leadership capacity.

7) Obviously, the next American President and his or her administration will face many diverse issues. But if you were to narrow identify the three most important issues, what would they be? How will you address these issues?

a) Freedom and Privacy Rights: Abolish the Patriot Act, the Military Tribunal bill, all executive orders that water down people's rights, and abolish all intelligence agencies overseas and the Homeland Security Agency at home.

b) Radically Change Economic System:  Transition America's economic system from capitalism to socialism in an efficient, expeditious, non-violent, civil, respectful way in order to eliminate all for-profit corporations and turn full authority and social ownership to the community and control over to workers.  We do not advocate "government ownership" but all decisions will be made from the bottom up, and a redistribution of wealth will begin to take effect.  Workers therefore have, if anything, a GREATER incentive to work hard under socialism than under capitalism because they are able to retain a much greater portion of the value of their own labor.

c) End the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and Bring the American Troops and Corporations Home Immediately:  Immediately end the two wars, and remove our troops and American corporations within a month or two. Assure protection and departure for citizens in danger of retaliation. Turn control of Iraq over to a new coalition or Iraqi tribes to decide on the political outcome of the new country.  Provide generous reparations to Iraq and Afghanistan for the destruction of the infrastructure and culture the United States has caused.  Proceed to make efforts to register any and all war crimes by our political and military leaders, and our allies, and request the Hague and International Law to hold accountable any and all political and military leaders from America, and its allies, responsible for crimes against humanity.

8) My grandfather emigrated from Ireland in 1949, some of my relatives lived here illegally, you yourself have Irish immigrant grandparents, what is your opinion on the immigration battle that is occurring today in America?  The immigration problem stems from greed and exploitive policies of the American government against many third and fourth world nations, that have undermined their economy and caused great poverty and suffering worldwide.  I am in favor of full amnesty for all legal and illegal immigrants, the provision of full social services to all residents in our country, and the implementation of socialism which will guarantee free and full health benefits, education and housing to all its residents.  Plus we will institute worker ownership and a guaranteed annual income for all adults, even for those incapacitated by handicaps, homelessness, etc.  We will eliminate all for-profit corporations, closed down all foreign military bases, reduce our defense budget in half, and then more in the years to come. We will also end arms sales, and stop the use and sale of all nuclear power both militarily and commercially.

9) Campaigning for the American presidency is one of the most expensive exercises in the world. How do you deal with the cost and fundraising?  Not very well. Presently, the only candidates who succeed in our system are millionaires, or sellouts to corporate America and special interests.  Public funding of future campaigns, universal laws for all fifty states to allow equal and fair ballot access to multiple and minor party candidates will be necessary to open up the system.  Plus, we will take back the airways, and require if not award equal television and radio time for all candidates.

10) Do you have a running mate yet? Who are they? What are you looking for in a running mate?  I would rather not have to answer this question at the present time due to a difficult situation within our party.  Can it be eliminated.  If not, I will give a nebulous answer.  Please advise (off-the-record).

Running mates should posses the same qualities and strengths required of the presidential candidate. It should not be based on political correctness, racial, gender or any other distinguishing characteristic that appeals to special interest groups. The VP candidate should be a citizen with veracity, integrity, principled, moral, competent, decisive, respectful, humble and a servant for the people.

11) Do you believe that it is really possible for you to win the 2008 election, being a third party candidate and all?   Hell no!  We will be fortunate to get on the ballot in 20 states.  There is a possible, but not highly probable, reason that it could happen due to catastrophic events in our country such as war, economic collapse, assassinations, etc. or due to the throwing of support from several other minor parties to a candidate (i.e. a socialist party candidate being endorsed by the Green Party and a strong Independent candidate like Ralph Nader, or visa versa, thereby enabling one single candidate to be on the ballot on 45 to 50 states).

12) Can any third party or independent candidate ever win?  Yes, per the rationale mentioned in answer #11; or from an attractive third party candidate and an even split from the other two major party candidates.  Remember, Bill Clinton won the 1992 presidency with 39% of the vote, George Bush with 37%, Ross Perot with 20% (he was up to 40% in the early part of the campaign and won up to 28% in some states).  Plus, the country is getting tired of holding its nose and voting for the lesser of two evils, plus the number of Independent and minor party candidates is growing and about to surpass one or both of the two major parties in percentage registered.

13) Why do you believe socialism or even democratic socialism has never really "taken off" in America?

Socialism had taken off in America. It is just that the "Red Scare and the `Espionage Act and the Sedition Act between 1917 and 1924 by the U.S. government, Stalinism and McCarthyism from 1945 to 1955; and the Cold War in the second half of the 20th century all undermined a wonderful and rich heritage of our country that thrived from 1900 thru 1925 and beyond.  There were 1200 officeholders in America who were registered and public candidates as Socialists in America around 1920.  Close to one million Americans voted for Eugene Debs in 1912 and 1920, gaining 9% and 11% of the popular vote.  Remember, Teddy Roosevelt ran in 1912 as a third party candidate and garnered the second highest vote totals (20%) and still Gene Debs also gained around 11%.  Can you imagine if Teddy Roosevelt had not been a candidate in that election!  secondly, the Socialists were against WWI, plus there was a split in the party with over half going to Communism, thus both suffering the consequences of Woodrow Wilson's Sedition Act and Red Scare tactics accusing them of being traitors.

Membership in the Socialist Party of America grew from 13,000 to 118,000 by 1912, and circulation of its journal, "Appeal to Reason," reached a circulation of over 760,000.

Keep in mind supporters of Socialism then and into the 1930's and 1940's, in addition to Eugene V. Debs were Upton Sinclair, Helen Keller, Einstein, Sinclair Lewis, A. Philip Randolph, Walter Reuther, Margaret Sanger, Jack London, William DuBois, Kate Richards O'Hare, Frank Zeidler, Rose Pastor Stokes, Victor Berger, Bayard Rustin and Michael Harrington..

The growth of the left worried President Woodrow Wilson and his administration so much that America entered what became known as the "Red Scare" period. In 1919, U.S. Attorney General Alexander Mitchell Palmer, at the order of President Wilson, arrested over 10,000 suspected communists and anarchists. These people were charged with "advocating force, violence and unlawful means to overthrow the Government." J. Edgar Hoover was part of the effort at that time. Large number of these "suspects" were held without trial for a long time, and some were expelled to Russia. The Socialist party took a terrible hit and its membership suffered a severe drop due to the governmental intimidation and false claims against it.

One of my jobs is to re-educate America about this rich and radical heritage, and how its vision is positive and beneficial to the country. My other function will be to point out how capitalism is failing America and that it is acceptable to think in terms of radical change and alternative economic systems that will preserve and insure our country's survival and bring more fairness and justice to more Americans and to the world.

14) If you can't make it into the Oval Office, who would you prefer seeing taking the presidency?  Noone else, other than Ralph Nader.  All, including Ralph Nader, are part of the capitalistic system, and accept its premises that competition, profit, ambition, taking the initiative, winning, exploitation, and survival of the fittest philosophy  win over the socialist's features of cooperation, democracy, communal responsibility, fairness, equity, egalitarianism, mutual respect, helping one another, etc.  Even Ralph Nader would have a terrible time under capitalism, but I think down deep he really is a socialist at heart, but does not have the gumption or is too practical to believe that it can emerge or survive.

15) What should the American people keep in mind, when heading to the polls this November?  That they should vote their conscience and their principles.  They should register their vote with the candidate they most believe in to show all the powers that be where your mandate lies.  Third Party issues have created change in America.  They have advocated causes that the two major parties have embraced 10, 20 or 30 years later, The major parties just did not have the moral courage to stand up at the time for what they really believed in.  Eugene V. Debs, founder of the Socialist Party was quoted:  "I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it. "

I might ask some more questions based off the answers you give.

Patrick


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Leaked online: UK Home Office non-disclosure agreement with ID card companies

December 6, 2008

The Non-Disclosure agreement for companies working with the UK Government on the National identity card has been leaked on WikiLeaks. The document states, among other things, what rights the Government has to search the properties of companies involved and the obligations on the companies to keep information secret. Section five of the document states that if a company fails to comply with the agreement, or in other cases at the "sole discretion" of the Home Office, the government may search the property, records and computers of the company. The anonymous individual who leaked the documents has stated that "no search warrant or judicial oversight would be required," to carry out the search.

The leaker also states that individuals working for the company may have their computers searched "without any suspicion of a crime having been committed," although the document does require that these searches may only take place "for the purposes of ensuring that all National Identity Scheme information and associated copies are secure in accordance with this agreement or have been destroyed permanently or removed from their possession.

Section two of the document requires that the document is secured in accordance with policy set out by the government, and requires that the information is only disclosed to those who need to have access as part of the identity card programme.

Section four of the document states that it shall be liable to the government for any breach of the agreement, and that, except for obligations required by the Official Secrets Act, the requirements shall no longer apply 25 years after the signing of the agreement, which took place in 2007.

The individual leaking the document has stated that he did so "to bring attention to the manner of construction of the ID scheme and the highly secretive approach being adopted by the UK government."

Despite the criticism of the scheme, the Home Office has stated that the cards are required to "help protect people from identity fraud and theft," and "disrupt the use of false and multiple identities by criminals and those involved in terrorist activity."


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Details emerge of Honda's withdrawal from Formula One

December 8, 2008 More details have emerged over the weekend after the surprise announcement last week of Honda's intention to sell its Formula One racing team, Honda Racing F1. The team management, Nick Fry and Ross Brawn, have already announced confidence in their ability not only to find a buyer for the team but also to deliver the performance expected of Honda's 2009 car. Prices as low as £1 have been put forward as possible prices tags for the Northampton based team, with Honda CEO Takeo Fukui stating that "Just to make the team possible to exist, a small price tag is acceptable".

On Saturday the Japanese car giant said that before selling the team it was going to offer British driver Jensen Button, who had given the Honda team its only victory, a way out of his recently signed multi-million pound contract with the team so he could try to get a drive with other teams. However, Ross Brawn appears eager to retain the Briton and either retain Brazilian Rubens Barrichello or sign GP2 driver Bruno Senna, nephew of legendary racer Ayrton Senna. At an industry awards dinner, Button indicated his desire for a buyer to be found for Honda, saying any buyer would get "... a great team with excellent facilities. And with the leadership of Ross Brawn, and the whole team as they are, we can come through this and be on the grid in 2009". Button has also spoken of his shock and pain at Honda's decision. Ross Brawn, who was brought into the Honda team with much fan fare before the 2008 season, has spoken of his shock at finding out about the sale of the team. Brawn, who is credited with helping Michael Schumacher and Ferrari dominate Formula One for much of the last decade, indicated he was expected funding cuts and had prepared a reduced budget but hadn't expected the full withdrawal of support that Honda announced. Brawn has also indicated understanding of Honda's reasoning, with their sales down 40% in some markets and Honda F1's £200m+ budget a cost they were unwilling to bear.

Though Honda has committed to providing a budget for the team until March, the budget is lower than that which had been expected and so the team has had to pull out of the crucial winter tests at Jerez. This has denied Formula One hopeful Bruno Senna another test with the team and has combined with the engine implications of Honda's withdrawal to push the new car's final testing from January to March, just weeks before the first Grand Prix in Australia. Ross Brawn however remains confident of competing with new Formula One frontrunners BMW Sauber and Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has tipped the team as a great buy, saying "I've no doubt Honda would have been in top four next year without any problems. They've spent a lot of money to put themselves in that position so if anyone does want to be in F1 this is a team they should look to buy. It's a big opportunity for any company that's run efficiently to benefit".


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Wikinews Shorts: December 8, 2008

New sub-population of critically endangered species of monkey found
Biologists from Fauna and Flora International say that they had discovered up to twenty critically endangered monkeys in a remote forest in northwestern Vietnam.

The group, which belongs to the species of Tonkin snub-nosed monkeys, included three infant monkeys, an indication that they were breeding and increasing in their numbers.

Before the discovery, less than 250 of the animals were thought to inhabit the planet.

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India announces $4 billion stimulus package
India has announced that it will release a stimulus package worth $4 billion, or 200 billion rupees, to help its economy, as the global economic slowdown continues.

This comes as the Reserve Bank of India cut its key interest rate by 1%, from 7.5% to 6.5%, on Saturday to, encourage more spending. The rates are at their lowest since June of 2006. This is the third time since October that the bank has cut its rates.

Business confidence in India has also been lowered after an attack on Mumbai last week left at least 170 people dead.

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High turnout in Ghanian elections
Officials say that a high turnout has been recorded for elections for president and parliament in Ghana.

Despite long queues at polling stations, the election has been reported as peaceful. 12.4 million voters, approximately half the country's population, have cast their ballots.

"Voter turnout is going to be very high," said Electoral Commission Chairman Kwadwo Afari-Gyan. "I should expect a higher number than we saw in the last elections because I could see this one is very competitive." Turnout in 2004 was a record 85%.

The election results are expected to come in on Monday.

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Sudan deploys more troops to oil-rich state
The army of Sudan has deployed additional troops to the state of Kordofan, which is rich in oil. The army told state media that it wanted to prevent "feverish attempts" to attack the area by Darfur rebels, members of the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM).

The army's announcement comes just days after officials in semi-autonomous southern Sudan accused the north of creating a large force in southern Kordofan over the period of the last three weeks.

The Sudanese army has been on alert since JEM launched an unprecedented attack on the Sudanese capital of Khartoum in May of this year.

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Walmart.com to stock up on Wiis starting Monday
On December 7, 2008, Walmart.com announced that it will have thousands of Wiis in stock online starting Monday. The console will be sold for $249.24 alone, or for $329 in a "value bundle," which includes the Wii console and other Wii items such as an extra pair of controllers.

The Wii has been one the most popular electronic items this season. On Black Friday, retailers ran out of stock, forcing consumers to go online to sites such as Yahoo! Shopping, eBay, and other big retailer sites.

By nightfall on Friday, the Wii console sold out on all big retailer sites including Walmart.com, BestBuy.com, and CircuitCity.com.

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Thousands protest PM Harper in Toronto

December 7, 2008

Around five thousand people from all walks of life jammed Nathan Phillips Square on Saturday in Toronto to demand that Canadian Parliament work for the real needs of Canadians. Liberal Leader Stephane Dion and NDP Leader Jack Layton addressed the crowd, pointing out that the 62% majority of the voters voted against Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper's right-wing politics. Harper campaigned on the premise of bringing in policies to stimulate the economy during the current economic downturn.

Harper shut down Parliament last week until January 26th to prevent opposition parties from defeating his government with a vote of non-confidence. The centrist Liberals and social democratic New Democratic Party formed an unprecedented coalition with the support of the Quebec based Bloc Quebecois to stop Harper from banning strikes in the public sector, preventing pay equity settlements, and removing public funding to all political parties.

Latest figures show seventy-seven thousand more workers lost their jobs in November. Signs in the crowd were visibly in both French and English.

The event was Hosted by TV star Mary Walsh, who, in a nod to recent U.S. elections, led a resounding chant of "Yes We Can-ada!" The main message of the day was that people want a government representing the majority of Canadian voters to tackle the economic crisis. Performers on stage included Samba Squad and members of Broken Social Scene. The day ended with the singing of "O Canada".

Gallery

 * Photo credits John Maclennan

Related news

 * Canadian Parliament suspended until late January, December 5, 2008

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73 Articles - December 3, 2008 to February 22, 2009

 * Eighth Filipino journalist killed this year, December 7, 2008 [My first article]
 * Obama succeeds Bush as 44th president of the United States, January 20, 2009 [My prophecy article]

11 Articles - February, 2009
 * Endangered Luzon Buttonquail photographed alive by Philippines documentary, February 22, 2009
 * California's violent video game ban law ruled unconstitutional by US Court of Appeals, February 22, 2009
 * Two nuclear submarines collide in the Atlantic Ocean, February 18, 2009
 * Class action launched by Aussie wildfire survivors against SP AusNet, February 18, 2009
 * Israel elects 18th Knesset, February 14, 2009
 * Stranded 500 melon-headed whales rescued in Philippine bay, February 14, 2009
 * Fifty killed in commuter plane crash in Clarence Center, New York, February 13, 2009
 * US Court of Appeals reduces sentence for former Philippines officer in spy case, February 9, 2009
 * Denny's Super Bowl free 'Grand Slam Breakfast' brings 2 million diners, February 6, 2009
 * Stanford physicists print smallest-ever letters 'SU' at subatomic level of 1.5 nanometres tall, February 4, 2009,
 * Baby in California born with 12 functioning fingers and toes, in a rare case of polydactylism, February 3, 2009,

35 Articles - January, 2009
 * Swiss canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden fights back after invasion of German naked hikers, January 31, 2009
 * Brain chemical Serotonin behind locusts’ swarming instinct, January 31, 2009
 * Philippine fireworks factory explosion kills at least 8, injures 70 more, January 29, 2009
 * Dairy cattle with names produce more milk, according to new study, January 29, 2009
 * Encyclopaedia Britannica fights back against Wikipedia, soon to let users edit contents, January 28, 2009
 * SLM shareholders led by Martin Garbus sue Spider-Man creator Stan Lee and Marvel for $750m, January 27, 2009
 * Death sentences in 2008 Chinese tainted milk scandal - January 26, 2009
 * Bolivia's Evo Morales wins referendum on a new leftist constitution - January 26, 2009
 * Indian Premier Manmohan Singh undergoes heart bypass; Pranab Mukherjee takes charge, January 25, 2009
 * Australian writer Harry Nicolaides jailed for three years for insulting Thai Royal Family, January 21, 2009
 * Parajet Skycar expedition takes off from London to Timbuktu, January 20, 2009
 * Seven dead, one missing, two survive French 'copter crash off Gabon coast, January 19, 2009
 * Gunmen abduct 3 ICRC representatives in the Philippines, January 18, 2009
 * UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crashes at Texas A&M, kills one, injures four, January 18, 2009
 * Man arrested in Mississippi over Internet assassination threats against Barack Obama, January 17, 2009
 * Cadillac unveils Obama's 'Beast', the 2009 Presidential State Car, January 17, 2009
 * Armed gang kidnaps Greek shipping magnate Pericles Panagopoulos in Athens, January 13, 2009
 * Former Satyam CEO Raju, his brother and CFO arrested and detained in profit-fraud scandal, January 12, 2009
 * Indonesia ferry sinks near Majene, more than 260 people missing, January 12, 2009
 * Strongest earthquake in 150 years hits Costa Rica, January 10, 2009
 * Canadian trio claim South Pole record for trans-Antarctic trip, January 10, 2009
 * Spider-Man to save Obama's Inauguration Day in upcoming Marvel comic, January 9, 2009
 * Princess Beatrice's unlocked BMW stolen, January 8, 2009
 * International experts probe deadly Ebola Reston virus outbreak in Philippine pigs, January 8, 2009
 * Ziff Davis sells 1UP to UGO Networks/Hearst, closes Electronic Gaming Monthly, January 8, 2009
 * China targets Google, Baidu and Internet portals over porn, January 7, 2009
 * Helicopter crash kills eight, injures one in Louisiana, January 5, 2009
 * Imperial College London geology students fined in China for "illegal map-making", January 5, 2009
 * Female suicide bomber kills 40 Shi'ite pilgrims at Baghdad shrine, January 5, 2009
 * Belgian king swears in PM Van Rompuy, cabinet, January 4, 2009
 * Sri Lanka Army captures Tamil Tiger's capital of Kilinochchi, January 4, 2009
 * Ghanaians elect new President, January 4, 2009
 * Philippines Senate and House of Representatives to probe ‘P50-million drug bribe mess’, January 3, 2009
 * New Year fire kills at least 59, injures 212 more at Bangkok pub, January 1, 2009

27 Articles - December, 2008
 * Bangladesh elects new Prime Minister, December 30, 2008
 * Nine dead after armed Santa Claus opens fire in LA suburb,December 29, 2008
 * Israeli air strikes hit goverment compounds in Gaza, December 27, 2008
 * World’s largest ice 'Father Christmas' built in China, December 26, 2008
 * FDA says Coca-Cola's Diet Coke Plus is misbranded, December 25, 2008
 * US drone strike kills eight in Pakistan's tribal region, December 22, 2008
 * Deposed Mauritanian president Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi is released, December 21, 2008
 * Philippines Supreme Court to probe leak of draft judgment in election case, December 21, 2008
 * Taiwan culls 18000 chickens due to H5N2 virus outbreak, December 21, 2008
 * Two-and-a-half tonnes of marijuana destroyed in Afghan school, December 21, 2008
 * Twin bomb blasts in 2 Philippine malls kill 6, injure 38, December 18, 2008
 * Cleveland clinic performs America's first face transplant, December 18, 2008
 * South Korean actress Ok So-ri gets suspended term for adultery, December 17, 2008
 * US Supreme Court allows 'light' cigarettes lawsuits, December 17, 2008
 * Thai opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva elected as new Prime Minister, December 15, 2008
 * Ferry sinks in northern Philippines, 28 dead, December 15, 2008
 * Former Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian released on bail, December 14, 2008
 * Russian Ksenia Sukhinova crowned Miss World 2008, December 13, 2008
 * Human remains in mass grave confirm Argentina secret death camp, December 12, 2008
 * Market maker Bernard L. Madoff arrested in $50B 'giant Ponzi scheme', December 12, 2008
 * 23 Australians arrested in global child porn network, December 12, 2008
 * Somali pirates release Greek ship, 19 sailors, December 10, 2008
 * US Supreme Court dismisses appeal on Obama's citizenship, December 9, 2008
 * Quebec's Liberal premier Jean Charest wins third term, December 9, 2008
 * Boxing: Pacquiao stuns De La Hoya with eighth round TKO, December 7, 2008
 * Passengers rescued from stranded Antarctic cruise ship, December 6, 2008

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Talk:Wikimedia, IWF respond to block of Wikipedia over child pornography allegations

WMF statement
WMF Responded: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Censorship_of_WP_in_the_UK_Dec_2008 -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

 * "The Wikimedia Foundation has yet to make an official statement". Does the above press release count as an official statement?  If so we should delete that sentence. --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks DragonFire1024. --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 13:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

This sentence doesn't work for me:

 * ''according to Jay Walsh, the head of communications for Wikimedia, the foundation "opposes action by internet watchdog group to blacklist encyclopedia article"

The problem is that it quotes the headline of the press release, which makes the grammar very clumsy.

Is there a better way of citing WMF opposition?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 14:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --InfantGorilla (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't this on the main page of the English Wikipedia?
A few hours ago, BBC's story was on the front page of news.google.com. Not only that, but it was one of the most-read BBC.com stories for several hours on Monday.

Now, Information Week's version is on news.google.com's front page.

So why isn't this story on the English Wikipedia's front page in the "in the news" section? It's certainly in the news. Davidwr (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It has been proposed, at w:Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. --82.152.208.73 18:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a discussiont to have at en.wp --SVTCobra 18:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Goobal dee Glop
Read this paragraph from the article:

''The measures applied redirect Wikipedia-bound traffic from a significant portion of the UK's Internet population through a small number of servers which can log and filter the content that is available to the end user. A serious side-effect of this is the inability of administrators on Wikimedia sites to block vandals and other troublemakers without potentially impacting hundreds of thousands of innocent contributors who are working on the sites in good faith.''

Sheesh, I'm stupid, and still am, after reading that paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.8.9 (talk) 09:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, what did you expect? A miracle education?  It makes perfect sense, so either read it slower or go back to your Ladybird books. 194.72.9.25 14:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I expected a remark like that. So, I'm supposed to read reported sentences like that and make sense of them for myself.

 * Sorry if I have a problem with that. Stupidly reported sentences of what the essence is I shall resort to as calling unable to capture the facts and translate into meaningful context that has any bearing on a perspective that relates to the story itself. Have I gone too far in making this remark?

Are you people reporting news, or spewing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.8.9 (talk) 11:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The wikinews really has no foundation for news generation because it has refused to allow it. It wants sources.

News doesn't come from sources, it comes from people who experienced it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.8.9 (talk) 11:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Amazon Developments
Noticed this over on reddit earlier today:

Amazon has removed all user submitted photos of the cover of Virgin Killer, the image that got Wikipedia censored in Britain -- amazon link blacklisted, reddit link here. This appears to be a world-wide change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.186.61 (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Statement from IWF (9-dec-08)
A Wikipedia webpage was reported through the IWF’s online reporting mechanism on 4 December 2008. As with all potentially illegal online child sexual abuse reports we receive, the image was assessed according to current UK legislation and in accordance with the UK Sentencing Guidelines Council (page 109). The content was considered to be a potentially illegal indecent image of a child under the age of 18, hosted outside the UK. As such, in accordance with IWF procedures, the specific webpage was added to the IWF list. This list is provided to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to help protect their customers from inadvertent exposure to potentially illegal indecent images of children. Following representations from Wikipedia, IWF invoked its Appeals Procedure and has given careful consideration to the issues involved in this case. The procedure is now complete and has confirmed that the image in question is potentially in breach of the Protection of Children Act 1978. However, the IWF Board has today (9 December 2008) considered these findings and the contextual issues involved in this specific case and, in light of the length of time the image has existed and its wide availability, the decision has been taken to remove this webpage from our list. Any further reported instances of this image which are hosted abroad, will not be added to the list. Any further reported instances of this image which are hosted in the UK will be assessed in line with IWF procedures. IWF’s overriding objective is to minimise the availability of indecent images of children on the internet, however, on this occasion our efforts have had the opposite effect. We regret the unintended consequences for Wikipedia and its users. Wikipedia have been informed of the outcome of this procedure and IWF Board’s subsequent decision.

http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.251.htm 62.24.251.240 19:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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There should be only one period, isn't it? Besides, this article is written in English (UK), but at one place "U.S." is written. The choice of language skills be uniform in the article. acagastya 14:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ for the period typo. ❌ for mixed US/UK English. --SVTCobra 21:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


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Australian PM announces public affairs channel

December 8, 2008

Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd launched the Australian Subscription Public Affairs Network today. The channel, a production of Sky News and subscription television providers Foxtel and Austar is modeled on the United States' C-SPAN channel. Broadcasts will commence January 20, 2009. The initiative is solely funded by industry with no contribution from the government.

The network will be available on subscription television, the Internet and digital free-to-air television and will show sittings of Federal parliament as well as the United States Congress, New Zealand parliament, British House of Commons and state parliaments in New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland.

Live speeches at the National Press Club will also be covered.

A-SPAN has also entered into a deal to show Australian politics on the US C-SPAN network.

Prime Minister Rudd said that A-SPAN will give a "fly-on-the-wall" perspective of politics, in the same vein as C-SPAN in the US. He said A-SPAN is "a good thing for our democracy" and that "it's a superb initiative".

Mr Rudd conceded that the channel will be popular among fans of politics.

“Political junkies will of course love it, they'll now have one more way to drive their family and friends absolutely mad,” Mr Rudd said.

Mr Rudd said he looked forward to introducing Australian English from the parliament of Australia to an international audience.


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Two-plane crash in Florida kills four

December 9, 2008 Four people were killed on Saturday when two small planes collided in midair over the Florida Everglades.

Broward County Sheriff's Office is reporting that the dead include Bryan Sax, 37, of Aspen, Colorado, Andrew Marc Rossignol, 21, of Stuart, Florida, Stuart Brown, 25, of Pembroke Pines, Florida, and Edson Jefferson, 30, of Miramar, Florida.

The accident happened Saturday afternoon 2.7 miles southwest of Everglades Holiday Park, according to Broward Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Veda Coleman-Wright. Both planes took off from their respective airports at 3:30 PM Eastern Time (20:30 UTC). Rossignol and Sax were flying in a 1979 twin-engine Piper PA-44 Seminole, from Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, which was headed to a practice area near Opa-locka Airport, when they collided with Brown and Jefferson, who were flying a 1997 single-engine Cessna 172R that had departed from North Perry Airport. Kathleen Bergen, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, has stated that neither pilot filed a flight plan, which was not required, because the planes were flying under visual flight rules, meaning that pilots were responsible to watch for other planes.

The owners of the two planes reported them missing early Sunday after they failed to return. Florida state officials were made aware of the accident, and the search began. A Coast Guard Dolphin search-and-rescue helicopter discovered three separate debris fields at 8:00 AM, according to Coleman-Wright. Following this discovery, the Sheriff's Office deployed air boats into the area due to accessibility issues.

The bodies were recovered and identified by Monday morning, much to the relief of some relatives. Rohan Brown, cousin of Stuart Brown commented that "the whole family is thankful for that."

Both Brown and Jefferson were originally from Jamaica, and Brown aspired to fly for his country's airline.

Sax, taking advanced flight training, was the passenger in the Piper.

Piloting the Piper was Rossignol, who grew up in Biddeford, Maine, and was following in the family profession as his father, Richard Rossignol, is a commercial airline pilot for Continental Airlines.

His brother Matt Rossignol said that "he loved flying because my father's a pilot. He wanted to become a commercial airline pilot and sit next to my dad, as co-pilot."

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Comments:Wikimedia, IWF respond to block of Wikipedia over child pornography allegations

I believe this should seriously concern us.

It is obvious that the image is not child pornography, but "someone" decides it is, and censors it. They know they are wrong (otherwise they would censor Amason, too, and not fear a litigation), but they still do it, whatever the real cause. This is a dangerous precedent, and if we leave it to slide, others, more serious, are sure to follow. Which effectively may destroy the very idea of Wikipedia.

I would suggest a strong, but necessary measure. Take the entire Wikipedia offline for the providers who blocked the Scorpions page. Redirect the users to a page explaining the reason. Put on this page the official contact info of the offending providers. Link there a page that lists, by proximity, UK providers who haven't blocked the page, and urge the users to switch to them. Some directions on how to organize a grassroots campain for luring every single subscriber away from these providers will be nice. :-)

This will probably prompt the providers to contact Wikimedia and try to negotiate, or threaten. If they try to negotiate, tell them they will be unblocked after presenting a written binding legal obligation to never anymore block Wikipedia contents, no matter the reason (if they cannot do this, it is their problem), and an apology for their unlawful action. If they threaten, take the entire Wikipedia offline for the entire world for a day, and replace it with a page describing the story, giving the contact info of the culprits, and saying that if the threats continue, Wikipedia will be taken offline for an indefinite period.

In short, they are now the example on what happens to those who try to censor or bully Wikipedia. Others will look to this example, and take the hint. Let's ensure that the hint says "don't try this, it will bruise you, not Wikipedia". Otherwise, we will be inviting every censor and bully around to dance on our heads.

I don't think that tactics of coercion are desirable to resolve this issue. The Wikipedia users in the UK who are currently unable to work on the encyclopedia however should and, I'm sure, will make it clear to the IWF that this kind of blanket sabotaging of Wikipedia is not an option. As for the hypocrisy of the block per se, it shows how much power is vested in a handful of moralists who, employing their rigid moral framework, appear to be unable to separate pornography from an artful depiction of nudity. Just because a tiny minority of the population is sick enough to be sexually aroused by child pornography, we are all to be prevented from using our own sensiblities in deciding whether we want to stare at a possibly offensive image or not. IMO it is this kind of repression that is responsible for exactly the kind of sexual aberration it is trying to prevent. Pushing all the socially undesirable urges into the subconscious certainly doesn't help. --boo (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

personally i would create a link to the picture at amazon.

We have to strike hard and fast to ensure that this issue is resolved. People only care about important things for a short amount of time, and we must act within that time if we are to be successful. It is clear by the fact that only Wikipedia was blocked that the motivation does not revolve around child pornography. I would posit that it is instead an attempt to limit a population to free information. It is information control, and it is the start of something much more insidious. Rekov (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Since when did unelected unaccountable individuals have the right to determine for me what I will be corrupted by. Did it corrupt them? I did not give consent at any stage to give up my freedom to a bunch of puritanical faschists with their knickers in a twist. Not only am I in the UK, but I can still see the image everywhere. It has also become the most viewed webpage. So far more people have seen it too. Like the church banning books it doesn't work and should be fought. They do not understand the power they wield nor have consent to wield it. Fuck off!

proxy causing issues with blocking
There seems to be a lot of fuss with the whole making it impossible to block people with this set up. I don't really understand why that neccesarily has to be true. Other proxies (such as aol's system) have workarrounds for this [AFAIK, don't quote me on this], using the x-forward-for http header. Why doesn't IWF provide this (although they might, and wmf servers may just not recognize it. i'm not too too familiar with the technical side of all this works). 24.65.82.136 04:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC) (user:Bawolff)

Serious violation of freedom of expression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.40.136 (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

In reply to the Above
The ISPs are stuck between a rock and hard place on this one, they were basically told that if they didn't they use the IWF to filter volentarily then the government would look at legally compelling them. Also the blacklist is downloaded automatically by the ISP, the ISP must then block every website in the blacklist. Staff at the ISP are also prohibited from editing the list - they arn't even allowed to look at it! -- enotayokel from Wikipedia :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.104.155.39 (talk) 10:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Guess what
I'm in the UK, using a UK ISP without a proxy, and... I can read this page and see the picture ! Yes! Finally I can be a pedo again ! This whole thing can only either be a test for their plan on getting rid of net neutrality or they just wanted free advertising to get financial support from religious organizations (goes along with the net neutrality thing) or, British ISPs belong to China and we don't know about it. Now whenever we'll tell them they shouldn't censor things they don't like on wikipedia, they'll tell us to do the same ! Ren Sydrick (talk) 11:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

virgin killer - points of view and power
I am sure these politically biased "protectors of children" do in some cases actually protect a minority of children from terrible abuse. And I applaud their well meaning motivation and successes. God knows children need protecting, and children have little respect in our society. But the irony is that they are part of a culture of repression, denial and fear that makes sexual child abuse more likely to happen, paradoxically. They tend to stigmatize child nudity and nascent adult sexuality in the process. Shame and guilt can be positive, protective emotions but authorities often direct them in a way so that children and adults feels unable to speak out, against abuse. And the abusers can avoid the real issues because of the absurdity and prudery of their most vocal/active opponents. Victims of abuse often have strong conflicting emotions and thoughts. In the same way an adult rape victims may have. Interpretation of these thoughts and feelings is crucial not the actual physical sensation in themselves. These "protectors of children" just use a scatter gun approach that says ALL naked sexualized pictures of children are the problem. Because it is easier than dealing with the real issues of: abuse of power, good parenting, self confidence and mutual personal sovereignty. These "protectors of children" demonstrate their ignorance of the issues by the targets they choose. Their reasoning is often that of the Taliban- the powerless should take responsibility for their abuse. That sexuality is an uncontrollable rabid beast, that is best caged by denial and fear. It may be for some people, but denial and fear, in my opinion causes this rabid beast in many cases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.74.107.93 (talk) 12:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

NIRVANA

Nirvana published an album with a cover much like this. nirvana

I think its disgusting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.212.21 (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


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I am so glad I'm stuck in contract for this job until next year. Fephisto (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


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Review
I agree with Patrick. The style is compelling, and drew me in to enjoy reading several interesting background facts. --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


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Welcome
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Irish pork
You may already know that Wikinews posted a short article yesterday at: Irish government orders recall of all pork products

Developments and reactions are emerging today, so well done for posting a new story with more depth. Please don't be offended by the banners at the top of the article; please take it as an encouragement to continue working on the article to bring it up to the Wikinews standards.

Most important is to list your sources: this may help an interested contributor jump in to assist you.

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Comments:Militants in Pakistan torch NATO, US military vehicles

Pakistan is Incompetence in defending the supplies runs into Afghanistan so we have to air life them instead. Easy fix in my eyes.--66.229.21.217 18:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

My important thoughts
I think it's a sad inditement of the way we live —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.74.227 (talk) 12:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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US F-18 fighter jet crashes in San Diego residential area

December 8, 2008 🇺🇸 According to the Associated Press, a United States Navy F-18 fighter jet has crashed into a house in a residential area in San Diego, California, near University City High School. The crash occurred around 12:00 p.m. (Pacific Time) as the plane was preparing for landing at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar.

Reports say that the pilot was able to eject from the plane before it crashed and is believed to have suffered only minor injuries. At least three people on the ground were killed, and one person is missing.

Eye witness Joe Kreischer told the LA Times, "It was chugging along with what seemed like one engine. Then I heard a roar of engine and all of a sudden, woop, dead silence." Two houses burned down as a result of the crash.

Authorities and military officials are investigating the cause of the crash.

The four dead family members are known to have been Korean Methodists. Only the father Dong Yun Yoon was not in the house when it was destroyed.


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Alleged 9-11 conspirators will confess and plead guilty

December 9, 2008

In proceedings by the Guantanamo military commission at the United States Guantanamo Bay Naval Base on Monday, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four alleged co-conspirators stated that they will confess and plead guilty to the charges they face in the planning and execution of the September 11 attacks in 2001. The four that stand accused with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind, are Mustafa al-Hawsawi, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ammar al-Baluchi (aka Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali), and Walid bin 'Attash. They have all been at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp for at least two years.

The defendants announced their intentions in court, with Stephen R. Henley reading their filing.

The judge asked if they would plead guilty. "Yes," said Mohammed, "we don't want to waste time." He also said it was "our earnest desire" to admit guilt and said he wanted the proceeding to end because "I do not trust Americans."

Mohammed also expressed displeasure that it took over a month for the court to address his filing requesting "an immediate hearing session to announce our confessions." In court he said, "I don't know — are the military commissions using carrier pigeons or what?" speaking in English. The judge would not accept pleas from Binalshibh and al-Hawsawi, ordering mental competency hearings for the two.

Al Hawsawi objected and told the judge he decided to plead guilty "with all my complete mental capacity and voluntarily."

However, Mohammed told the judge they would not enter their pleas without Binalshibh and al-Hawsawi, "We want everyone to plead together."

"Our plea was based on joint strategy," al-Baluchi told the judge. "All of these decisions are undertaken by us without any pressure or influence by Khalid Sheikh [Mohammed]," he further said. "What was said or will be said by Khalid Sheikh will be repeated by us, also."

After the competency evaluations, another hearing will be held, where the five may enter their pleas. Presiding Officer Stephen Henley asked for briefs from prosecutors on whether the military commission can "accept a plea of guilty to a capital offense."

Monday's hearing was unusual in that, in addition to the press, the families of five 9/11 victims were also in attendance.


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US media group Tribune files for bankruptcy protection
The United States media group Tribune Company has filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday as it struggled to sort out its US$13 billion debt. It is the second-largest newspaper publisher in the United States, responsible for the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times, among others.

The firm has been hit hard by the industry-wide slump in newspaper advert revenues this year. Sam Zell, the billionaire who owns Tribune, took out large loans in order to buy the firm back in June of 2007.

The United States Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection law states that a company can continue trading whilst it sorts out its finances.

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Quebec votes in general election
The Quebec general election is underway in the Canadian province of Quebec. Premier Jean Charest called the elections, saying he needed a majority to guide Quebec through a period of economic difficulties caused by the worldwide financial crisis.

Polls indicate that the Charest may obtain a majority, with support for his Quebec Liberal Party increasing to 45%, while support for the Parti Québécois remains at around 30%.

The polls will close at 01:00 GMT (20:00 local time), and the results will probably come in soon after that.

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Bailout for US automakers nears agreement
The United States government is reportedly close to an agreement for a US$15 billion bailout plan for the country's three largest auto firms.

According to a draft obtained by the Associated Press, the deal would give loans to Detroit's struggling Big Three automobile manufacturers — Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler — but under the condition that the auto industry restructures itself to survive. Another condition is that the incumbent US President, George W. Bush, would appoint an overseer to supervise the effort.

Analysts suggest that the agreement could be signed into law by the end of this week.

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explanation
The military commissions should not be referred to as "courts". So I removed this term. They have no established precedence, rules of evidence, or rules of procedures.

The Bush administration had the option of trying the suspects in civil courts, or by military courts martial -- and chose instead the ad hoc commissions. It is a serious mistake to call them courts. 205.189.152.182 18:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Update
Alleged 9-11 conspirators withdraw offer of Guilty Pleas is a new update to this article, I originally put the update here, but was told to start a new article. I marked it for review and hopefully a quick publish. Please Look it over ^_^ DWolf2k2 (talk) 02:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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Two-plane crash in Florida kills 4
I have reviewed and published Two-plane crash in Florida kills 4 to the main page. Congratulations on getting your first article published! (By the way, see the article talk page for my reviewing comments) Anonymous101talk 22:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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Why can't Honda cut something else ?! I'm saddened to hear that there selling off there F1 team. -Paulo (Merced,CA,USA)


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Comments:US F-18 fighter jet crashes in San Diego residential area

This is terrible

I spy with my little eyes: More than 30 million down the drain. -Sidorvich (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Imagine the owners of the home it crashed into...out of all of the millions of homes around the world... MINE has a military jet land in the bathtub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.245.137 (talk) 13:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Id imagine the owners of the home are quite dead 167.102.159.2 00:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong, the man whose wife, mother, and daughters were killed was at work when the crash occurred. I've read an interview where he refuses to blame the pilot, but the blame is either with him, bad maintenance, or the bureaucracy that kept the jet in service too long. 72.146.170.82 04:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sad:( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.88.247 (talk) 02:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


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Quebec's Liberal premier Jean Charest wins third term

December 9, 2008

In the Quebec held in the Canadian province of Quebec on December 8, 2008, premier  was elected for his third mandate, and formed a majority government of Quebec.

This is the first time since the 1950's, and the  that a party and/or leader has been elected to a third consecutive mandate, and the first for the Liberals since the 1920's and Premier Taschereau. The ruling Liberals have won a slim majority, taking 66 of the provincial legislature's 125 seats, while the separatist Parti Quebecois (PQ), led by Pauline Marois, finished second, and took 51 seats.

John James Charest,, is a Canadian lawyer and politician from the province of Quebec and a former leader of the federal  (1993–1998), the current leader of the , and the 29th and current. In November 5, 2008, seeing a chance to win a majority, Charest called a snap election for December 8. His party captured a slim majority of seats in the election.

Meanwhile, Action democratique du Quebec leader Mario Dumont announced that he will be leaving politics: "You will not be surprised to hear me tell you that I will not be at the head of my party during the next general election in Quebec. It is with much passion that I have served Quebec for more than 14 years as an MNA and more than 20 years as a party activist. I have loved what I did, but the time has come for me to turn the page."

Parti Quebecois leader Pauline Marois claims that the PQ is a big winner, for she greatly improved on the party's 2007 disastrous performance: "Today we form the strongest Official Opposition since the Quiet Revolution. Tonight we have been reminded that the Parti Quebecois is a great party. It is a party that has rediscovered its fire [...] Even if we are a little disappointed tonight, the great dream we have for Quebec is very much alive."


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I CREATED this article for its newsworthiness:
 * This is the first time since the 1950's, Maurice Duplessis and the Union Nationale that a party and/or leader has been elected to a third consecutive mandate, and the first for the Liberals since the 1920's and Premier Taschereau. Please review the same to be published. Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Publish problem
The reviewer forgot to sight the article after marking it with the publish template, so it didn't appear on the front page for several hours. (I fixed it now.) ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 20:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for helping a neophyte here, I had been here just 7 days since Dec. 3, and it is nice to stay here.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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The way the intro is phrased seems slightly misleading to me. premier Jean Charest was elected for his third mandate seems to imply that he himself personally won the election as premier, as opposed to his party winning the most seats. Not sure if my comment makes sense or not, just an impression. Bawolff ☺☻
 * I fully agree, that at first glance, the Wikinews reader would be focused on premier Jean Charest rather than upon the victory of the Liberals in the Quebec general election held on December 8, 2008. So which is greater, therefore? It is unlike the chicken and egg thing. Even in choosing a good title, I first did desire to make the Liberals in, than Charest. The problem or advantage, however, is, in the Wikinews search engine or archiving to find related news. Putting Charest on the spot rather than Liberals in the title and prefatory of info, would seem more practical, for reseach by editors on related news; and more than that, as lawyer and not journalist, if I write a legal brief, I do a lot on the Prefatory or intro so that the jurists will buy my pleading.
 * I ponder, that Wikifying this by blue links will lead the reader, who will open the links, to the main thing which is the Liberal's victory rather than just Charest. More importantly, also, the entire news on Charest and Liberal's victory is somehow overshadowed perhaps by the probable claim of "Parti Quebecois leader Pauline Marois claims that the PQ is a big winner, for she greatly improved on the party's 2007 disastrous performance:" sweet revenge as consolation, so to speak, she had the numbers now and maybe later (last paragraph). At any rate, since all of us here whether engineers, lawyers or accredited reporters, as editors, for sure, do aim to write the news KIS (that's how we were taught in law school - "keep it short," let them read the links, so I put more links to avoid copy vio and at the same time, I allow the reader to read more, if he or she is not an ordinary street guy but professional, into this. Please feel free to edit and rephrase this news article, as I rely heavily on our collaboration, being new here, just a week (from December 3; I had been used to editing in Wikipedia English since July 2007 - Nov. 22 2008; it was easier there, and comparatively speaking, so tough here, due to style and publication). Thanks, and Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I realize that technically it was the Liberals that won re-election, and that Charest is now premier only because the re-elected Liberals say he is. But in practise things are quite different. In practise it is the party leader (Charest in this case) who drives the election/not-election of the other members of his/her party. So in every way that matters this election was about whether or not Charest would be re-elected, not about whether the Liberals would be re-elected. (That is esspecially the case since Charest himself is actually a Conservative; he is with the Liberal party only as a matter of personal convenience.) Gopher65talk 13:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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What's the deal with the guy in the costume in the background of the pre-fight press conference? Fephisto (talk) 12:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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US Supreme Court dismisses appeal on Obama's citizenship

December 9, 2008 🇺🇸 The United States Supreme Court on Monday denied "without opinion" an emergency appeal or certiorari case filed by applicant retired attorney Leo Donofrio, an East Brunswick, New Jersey voter who raised the legal issue on whether president-elect Barack Obama was a "natural born" American at the time of the election. He alleged that Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time. Obama's birth certificate states he was born in Hawaii in August 1961, two years after the Hawaii Admission Act. In November 2008, Donofrio's injunction application was filed with the Supreme Court of New Jersey. The applications then went to the Supreme Court but it was denied by Justice David H. Souter. The petition was refiled and assigned to Justice Clarence Thomas, who submitted the case to the Court for Conference on December 5.

The United States Constitution's 14th amendment clearly defines the law on American citizenship: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Statutes passed since the constitution are more detailed about who is a citizen at birth. Those born "inside the United States, or in a US possession if one parent is a citizen and lived in the United States for at least a year, or outside the United States to at least one US-citizen parent who has lived in the US for a minimum of five years" are deemed US citizens. However, according to the Constitution, only natural born citizens are eligible for the Presidency.

Amid more pending lower courts cases, two other lawsuits were appealed to the US Supreme Court, though neither is yet scheduled for conference. The Boston Globe reported that a federal judge in Philadelphia threw out a lawsuit in October, for lack of legal standing. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania voter Philip J. Berg alleged "that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and Hawaii officials have confirmed; and that Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy." Federal courts in Ohio and Washington state have dismissed similar citizenship cases against Obama." In "Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al.", the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit's Justice Souter denied the injunction on December 9.

In the new case of "Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State," Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg denied Wrotnowski's injunction application, which was thereafter refiled and assigned to Justice Antonin Scalia. The case was distributed for Conference of December 12. The Washington Times reported that Wrotnowski, a prodigious author and a health-food store owner in Greenwich, Conn. raised the issue of "whether the British citizenship of Mr. Obama's father makes the president-elect ineligible to assume the office."


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This is the first Obama citizenship case which was decided by the US S. Court, making it the most newsworthy, since the others are in the lower courts, and about 2 are still pending. Please help me in the review of this landmark Obama issue. Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 12:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Omissions in story.
This was posted on Tuesday. The supreme court posted an official docket online on Monday saying the Cort Wrotnowski case was submitted by Justice Scalia to conference for Friday, December 12. Why is this critical information left out? The title should read US Supreme Court dismisses one case, but sends another to conference, on Obama's citizenship.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.198.244.3 (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Both cases were sent for conference, but the Denofrio case was not granted cert at its conference on Dec. 5th. The second case wont go before conference until this Friday, Dec. 12th. 208.15.90.2 21:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I edited this article to include the update:The Washington Times
Since, it is just 2 hours that we have a reliable source aside from the 2 S.C. Docket html, I decided to add this:
 * In "Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al.", the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit's Justice Souter denied the injunction on December 9.
 * In the new case of "Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State," Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg denied Wrotnowski's injunction application, which was thereafter refiled and assigned to Justice Antonin Scalia. The case was distributed for Conference of December 12. The Washington Times reported that Wrotnowski, a prodigious author and a health-food store owner in Greenwich, Conn. raised the issue of "whether the British citizenship of Mr. Obama's father makes the president-elect ineligible to assume the office."
 * As of December 9, we have no sources on whether Berg's application had been considered by the US S. Court.

 * --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Alleged 9-11 conspirators will confess and plead guilty

This is so unfair... why is the Bush administration not the one on trial? Does it even need to be explained anymore? Japanese parliament took the liberty to look into the US inside job of 9/11, why cant America?

That man in that picture was not the one who thought up the plans of 9/11.

nonsense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.245.137 (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

 * It's time you adjust your tin-foil hat. B-Æ+Ø --216.75.93.110 16:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe just maybe
the 9-11 truthers will stop up since most of the terrorist plead guilty. Or not since idiots can't dare to look truth in the eyes and realize their movement is full of crap.--66.229.21.217 18:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Authenticity of the pleas
With all the cases of forced confessions, torture and coercion at Gitmo, I seriously doubt these pleas are legitimate. They probably just want to throw their own trials and die rather than be stuck in such a horrible place. There have no chance of being found innocent, the best they could hope for is being kept in a judicial limbo for the rest of their lives. They're never going home, why not plead guilty and get the executions over with? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.112.145 (talk) 21:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

When I read the title I thought it was going to be about the Bush administration and not some arab. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.61.28 (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Guantanamo's Great
Rather than force the Amemrican taxpayer pay $30,000 per year to house and feed these unrepentant murderers, the genuises who built and run guantanamo have made these "tough guys" opt for the death penalty rather than stay there. And you bleeding heart liberals are crying for them.

Where were your tears on 911? Move to The mountains of Pakistan and Afganistan if that's where your loyalties are. See if your idealism could survive separation from your I-PODS, central heating, indoor plumbing and 24/7 police protection. PerryO206.24.48.1 19:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

blasphemy