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Support strong to bring back 1980 Soviet mascot for the 2014 Olympics

September 29, 2007

For the first time after the fall of the iron curtain Russia will host the – in 2014 the Winter Olympics will take place in, a  resort town. The games are considered a matter of national prestige and generate more media attention than the recent changes in Russian government (Russia’s recently installed the new prime-minister, who, incidentally, also became the chair of the Russian Olympic committee.)

As Russia takes enormous efforts to prepare for the Olympics and build a modern sport infrastructure from scratch, the Russian public is more concerned with the mascot for the upcoming games. When hosted the Summer Olympics in the 1980, the mascot for the Moscow Games was, developed by children’s book illustrator. Misha instantly became a graphic-design hit, especially in the Soviet bloc. Olympic posters were snatched up and t-shirts were fought over. And as Sochi is set to become the new Olympic city, Russians are keen to see the old bear return.

There is a long way to the Sochi Olympics, but the Bear is already coming back from retirement. , an English-language publication distributed in the US and the UK, has commissioned the most prominent designers and artists to do their own renditions of the famed mascot. “The Olympic Bear turns any Russian between the ages of 25 and 50 to quivering jelly. Our artistic compatriots were happy to whip the old bear into shape for 21st century use” – says Ilya Merenzon, the magazine’s publisher. “And the readers’ response was overwhelming. As soon as the new issue arrived at the stores, we constantly get emails requesting the Bear t-shirts. The animal is regaining his popularity”. – adds Merenzon.

It has not been decided, however, on the Sochi Games mascot. Another option is, a famous Russian cartoon character with big ears and humble smile. Cheburashka was the mascot for the Russian Olympic team in Turin and is one of the best-selling children’s toys in former USSR countries and, surprisingly, Japan, where it is known as “Chebu”.


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Hostage situation at California high school ends peacefully

September 29, 2007

A 17-year-old high school student was arrested after holding a high school class hostage in Oroville, California. The gunman had reportedly planned to shoot a romantic rival, but been stymied when he couldn't find the other youth.

Entering a classroom he expected to find empty, intending to commit suicide, the student discovered a class in progress - and instead fired several shots in to the air and decided to instigate a hostage situation, seizing the 25 students and their substitute teacher.

Thirty minutes into the crisis, speaking by cellphone with a hostage negotiator, the student had agreed to release nearly all the hostages, except three students and the teacher.

After about an hour, the student surrendered and the situation ended peacefully.

The student has been charged with attempted murder, forcible confinement and bringing a gun to school.

The situation occurred exactly one year and one day after another hostage situation in Colorado.

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Actually, it happened on 9/28, not 9/29.

If his master plan to get revenge was foiled by being unable to find the other guy, I have my doubts about how much damage he would actually have done.--72.130.143.25 06:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


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Creation Science Evangelism removes section of copyright controversy in Wikipedia article

September 29, 2007

In September 's Creation Science Evangelism (CSE) ministry filed several copyright complaints on YouTube causing the video-sharing website to ban several users. On 27 September 2007 an belonging to CSE Enterprises removed all mention of the controversy from the Wikipedia article about Kent Hovind. The editor of the whitewashing included the edit summary, "Removed because their is no evidence that CSE requested accounts to be suspended. It is not certain if videos were part of public domain. This section is pure speculation and gossip."

Hovind, who is now serving ten years in federal prison, turned CSE over to his younger son, Eric Hovind, in January 2007. As previously reported, CSE claimed copyrights on critical videos that had material produced by Hovind and at least one video that contained no Hovind/CSE material despite CSE's website stating, "."


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Talk:Creation Science Evangelism removes section of copyright controversy in Wikipedia article

The previous article on this topic smelled vaguely of an attempt to "bash" a certain group, by a certain group that had very different views - it toed the line on 'newsworthy vs. grudgematch'.

This article, in its current form at least, is too far to the "grudgematch" sense, to legitimately be considered a news story. Sherurcij 05:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * No grudge match. The subject of the article removed material critical of him/her four times. Seems notable regarding the ongoing controversy as shown with yesterday's news story from the Christian Post. Shown2233361 05:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Going to prison is newsworthy, somebody from his company editing his Wikipedia article isn't though. It's enough to draw attention to it on the appropriate Wikipedia discussion page, and warn the user not to vandalise in the future.  But we can't realistically report every time the subject of a Wikipedia article removes unflattering comments about themselves. Sherurcij 06:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * People whitewashing their own wikipedia pages is news, which is why there are several wikinews articles about other instances. Why can't we have articles about wikipedia vandalism? What is your citation for that? This seems like a good project to mention the event on, especially since some parties are considering ligitation against Hovind (as his group tries to cover it up). I'm going to leave newsstory/not news tag, but I'm not convinced it should have a developing tag. C56C 22:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * You should see what the Church of Scientology has done, then ask yourself if this is notable enough. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I think many editors would argue that CoS's behavior is newsworthy and I at least would agree with them. However, I am inclined to see this case as very borderline. Whitewashing attempts on Wikipedia are very common. I deal with at least 1 a week from a very involved party. JoshuaZ 23:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I do think Scientology's efforts/games should be included. C56C 19:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Recent tagging
I understand all the tagging but the NPOV tag. What NPOV issue is there? JoshuaZ 14:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm curious about that as well as that is was unpublished. C56C 16:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Its been several hours and no reason was given, so I removed the changes. Shown2233361 04:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * No more discussion? C56C 19:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


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Geelong wins AFL Grand Final against Port Adelaide

September 29, 2007

The Geelong Cats won the AFL Grand Final against Port Adelaide Power, by 119 points, in their first premiership since 1963. The final score was 163-44, the biggest win in AFL grand final history. The Geelong City Hall will be hosting a victory parade on Wednesday.

 * Q1: Geelong 5.7 (57) to Port Adelaide 2.2 (14)
 * Q2: Geelong 11.13 (79) to Port Adelaide 4.3 (27)
 * Q3: Geelong 18.17 (125) to Port Adelaide 5.5 (35)
 * Q4: Geelong 24.19 (163) to Port Adelaide 6.8 (44)


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31 killed in Afghanistan bus bombing

September 29, 2007 A suicide bomber blew himself up on a bus carrying more than 50 people in Kabul, Afghanistan killing at least 31 and critically injuring 17 of the people on board. 28 were Afghan soldiers, and so far at least two civilians have been killed.

"At this time I can tell you that 31, almost all of them military personnel, have been martyred," said Afghanistan's Public Health Minister, Sayed Mohammad Amin Fatemi.

Reports say that the suicide bomber, who was dressed in a military uniform, walked onto the bus and blew himself up, tearing it into two pieces. Several businesses were also damaged in the attack and military personnel were retrieving body parts from trees.

Zabiullah Mujahid of the Taliban, says they are responsible for the blast and stated that the bomber was 'Azizullah', a Kabul resident.

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2007 Mead Cup Soccer Tournament Results

September 29, 2007 CENTERVILLE - According to its Web site, the 2007 Mead Cup Soccer Tournament declared the following teams champions within their divisions.

B096v6FiveStar, Troy Elite Ward; B096v6Gold, LUSC Cobras; B106v6FiveStar, Troy Elite '98 Ward; B106v6Gold, Flash Youth Soccer Club; B108v8FiveStar, NCAA Blast FC Red; B118v8FiveStar, Team Ohio FC Cosmos; B118v8Gold, FC Nova 97 Black; B1211v11FiveStar, NCSL Eagles; B1211v11Gold, St. Louis SC - Kargacin; B128v8FiveStar, Carmel Academy 96; B128v8Gold, VSA Heat 95 Gold; B13FiveStar, PSG FC Nova 95 black; B13Gold, Blast FC; B14FiveStar, Grand Rapids Crew Juniors; B14Gold, Crew Jrs Black; G096v6FiveStar, Cardinals U9 Premier; G096v6Gold, OP U9 Black; G106v6FiveStar, Warren County United Blue 97; G106v6Gold, OP U10 Black; G118v8FiveStar, Gators 97 Blue; G118v8Gold, Greater Toledo FC; G1211v11FiveStar, Lighthouse Express; G1211v11Gold, Warren County United Blue 95; G128v8FiveStar, MI Gators FC 96 Orange; G13FiveStar, VSA Heat Blue; G13Gold, WSC Premiere Royal; G14FiveStar, Toledo CELTICS and G14Gold, Celtic Brasil '93.

For scores of all the games and photos from fans, visit the Mead Cup web site.

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Talk:Support strong to bring back 1980 Soviet mascot for the 2014 Olympics

Common, this is not a spam attempt:) I just have access to this newsmaker and use them to practice news reporting. What kind of original reporting comments there have to be? Russianinfocenter

Original reporting notes:

1. More media attention than changes in the Russian government: Based on a research by Mediologia (www.mediologia.ru), Russian media monitoring service: compared a number of press mentionings in 2007.

2. Russians are more concerned with Olympics mascot: Russian State Newspaper: http://www.rg.ru/2007/08/17/talisman.html (Rossiyskaya Gazeta) - in Russian - called for entries to develop the mascot and more than 23000 entries suggested the bear...Russianinfocenter


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2007/08 Bundesliga: Bayer Leverkusen vs. Bayern Munich

September 29, 2007

Bayern Munich beat Bayer Leverkusen to remain at the top of the German league table with a goal from Italy striker Luca Toni. Michael Rensing was a last minute replacement Oliver Kahn due to the injury Kahn picked up during the warm-up.

The 1st half saw a series of chances for both side which saw the eventual game winner from Bayern strker Luca Toni. The 2nd half saw fewer scoring chances as Bayern completed the victory.

Quotes
Ottmar Hitzfeld: "Leverkusen started very well, imposed a high pace on the game and showed some excellent moves. We had a few problems organising ourselves defensively. We changed the formation and let Miro Klose play a little more detached from the midfield. In the last 15 minutes of the first half we began to control the game. In the second half we were closer to a second goal, although in the closing stages the pressure was intense again. It was a hard-fought victory – we weren’t as strong as we had been recently and we didn’t play as well on the counter-attack. This has been our hardest test so far."

Miroslav Klose: "We had a hard job of it today. Leverkusen played well and put us under a lot of pressure. I think we had some real problems in the first half."

Rudi Völler: "We saw a splendid game from both team, and we played extremely well in the first 25 minutes. We had a few scoring chances and put Bayern under a bit of pressure. But against a team as good as Bayern you have to take advantage of this kind of domination by scoring if you want to have a chance over 90 minutes. Still, I wouldn’t say this is a setback for us."

Michael Skibbe: "Bayern deserved the win because of their calmness. However, I am very satisfied with the performance of my team, they played really well."


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2007 Major League Soccer: DC United vs. Toronto FC

September 29, 2007

DC United took magic number to clinch MLS Supporters' Shield was reduced to 12 after a 4-1 come-from-behind victory against Toronto FC. After the loss, Toronto FC will be eliminated from post-season contention if Chicago Fire win against Chivas USA tonight.

Toronto for the second straight week took an early lead in the first half from a Carl Robinson free kick while DC United looked "passive" in the first half.

In the second half, DC United showed why they're the top team in the league by scoring four goals. Late in the half DC United went down to ten men when Fred went down with an injury after DC United's third and final substitution. The loss for Toronto FC makes it a 11 game winless streak. Toronto have now only scored two goals in their last 1,002 minutes played.


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Athabasca University receives 30 million dollars

September 30, 2007 On Sept 28, the Government of Alberta announced that the province's Athabasca University will get CA$30 million towards the creation of an Academic and Research Centre that will increase the University's campus by 50%. The announcement was made by Doug Horner, the Minister of Advanced Education & Technology at a Press Conference at the University.

"It's all about more choices and accessibility to education," the Minister said.

The grant is being called by some as the University's second-biggest milestone after the move to the Town of Athabasca, and will allow for an additional 1,500 full time students per year. All of the University's courses are delivered by distance education.

"It allows us to serve our mission" said Joy Romero, the Chair of the Athabasca University Governing Council.


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"PGR4" pre-launch in Taiwan: TOP Drivers' Derby

September 29, 2007 After the launch of "Halo 3" on Tuesday (September 25), Microsoft promoted a brand new Xbox360 racing game "Project Gotham Racing 4" (PGR4) with a friendship match as a "TOP on TOP" competition between Taiwanese World Cyber Games (WCG) PGR3 Delegate You-cheng Liu and "Drift Master of Taiwan" Po-hsiung Chou at YAMAHA MotorTown in Taipei City, Taiwan. Before the friendship match, Cary Chen (Senior Product Marketing Manager of Entertainment and Device Division, Microsoft Taiwan) show the new features on PGR4 to the press, VIPs, and guests and praised the "PGR" game series with the "Kudos" skill points. He remarked that in the "PGR4", not only joined new car type and racing motorcycles, but also add Dynamic Weather System feature for the performance of new different type experiences on weathers, driving, and racing lane.

Chen also remarked that PGR series is surely respected because of the racing game competition factor on WCG from 2006. This "PGR" series can realize lots of dreams of players on making some special skills which can't be done on reality. With the Xbox Live linking, PGR series has successfully made a great achievement. After the presentation and demos, Microsoft Taiwan held a friendship match. Before the match, Y. C. Liu welcomed P. H. Chou with Chou drove a BMW car to the main entrance. After the entrance, the match started. With the witnesses of VIPs, press, and players, Liu won the friendship match by the turning fault of Chou. Even though Chou wanted to invite Live as a racer in reality after the match, but Liu temporarily declined with his consideration.

Microsoft Taiwan announced that the Chinese Version of "PGR4" will be available on October 5, and welcomed players competing with "I want 'PGR4' Helmet!" photo competition. And also, "Yamaha PGR4 Cup - Taiwan Driving Master Championship" will be held and set qualification section in October and final section in December of Information Month in Taipei.


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Lawsuit: Hernandez vs IGE

September 29, 2007

On May 31, 2007, C. Richard Newsome of the Newsome Law Firm, filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of Antonio Hernandez against IGE (Internet Gaming Entertainment). The main thrust of the lawsuit is that IGE made a "calculated decision to reap substantial profits by knowingly interfering with and substantially impairing the intended use and enjoyment associated with consumer agreements between Blizzard Entertainment and subscribers to its virtual world called World of Warcraft (WoW)."

Specifically, the lawsuit references IGE's practice of selling WoW items or WoW gold, generated by "farmers".

There is actually more than one IGE, both of whom are defendants in the lawsuit. IGE, LTD. is a "foreign corporation with its principal place of business in Hong Kong, China, with offices" "located at Euclid Avenue, Suite 222, Miami Beach, Florida, 33149" and "Beverly Hills, California." IGE U.S. LLC. is a "Delaware corporation with its principal place of business at 105 N.W. 43rd Street, Boca Raton, Florida, 33431." IGE U.S. LLC. is "an affiliated company" of IGE, LTD.

The lawsuit alleges that the amount in controversy exceeds US$5 million exclusive of interest and costs.

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User talk:Musicguru

Hi, please don't add spam to Wikinews - we try only to allow legitimate news stories of interest to global readers. I'd encourage you to consider whether it is possible to create such a story, perhaps not about your musical group. Sherurcij 19:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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American Airlines MD-80 engine fire prompts emergency landing

September 29, 2007 An American Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-80 carrying 142 people was forced to return to Lambert-St. Louis International Airport after an engine caught fire shortly after takeoff. Aircraft Rescue and Firefighting (ARFF) personnel doused down the number one engine upon landing with foam.

American Airlines Flight 140 had departed the airport at 1:03 p.m. on a scheduled domestic passenger flight to Chicago, but had developed the fire, coming back to land at 1:40 p.m. The aircraft was stopped on the runway, where it was met by ARFF crews, who extinguished the fire. None of the 137 passengers, three cabin crew and two pilots were injured, and they subsequently walked to the terminal. American Airlines have stated that their maintenance department will investigate the accident in an attempt to determine what sparked the fire. Federal inspectors from the National Transportation Safety Board will also investigate the accident, with at least two investigators dispatched, including a specialist in jet engines.


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2007 Rugby World Cup: Scotland and Fiji qualify for quarter finals

September 29, 2007 In the 2007 Rugby World Cup, Fiji and Scotland secured qualification to the knockout stage of the tournament with victories over Wales and Italy respectively. Elsewhere New Zealand defeated Romania and Australia defeated Canada. Both New Zealand and Australia had already qualified for the following round.

In Pool B, Fiji defeated Wales 38-34 in a dramatic encounter. Stephen Jones opened the scoring for Wales with a penalty, but Fiji raced to a 25-3 lead with tries from Akapusi Qera, Vilimoni Delasau and Kele Leawere and two penalties from Nicky Little. Wales fought back and took the lead after 51 minutes after Alix Popham ,Shane Williams, Gareth Thomas and Mark Jones each scored.

Nicky Little regained the lead for Fiji with two penalties, but Wales appeared to be heading to victory when Martyn Williams scored with seven minutes remaining. However Graham Dewes scored late on to snatch an extraordinary victory for Fiji to finish second in Pool B. Wales are knocked out of the tournament, but qualify automatically for the 2011 World Cup by finishing third in Pool B.

Australia, the winners of Pool B, beat Canada 37-6. An early penalty from Julian Huxley and tries from Al Baxter and Adam Freier gave Australia a 13-0 lead at half-time. James Pritchard scored two penalties for Canada, but George Smith, Drew Mitchell (2) Chris Latham all scored tries to complete Australia's victory.

Fiji face South Africa in the quarter finals while Australia will play defending champions England in a repeat of the 2003 final.

Scotland defeated Italy 18-16 to secure their place in the quarter finals. Chris Paterson scored all of Scotland's points by kicking six penalties. Italy were leading twenty minutes into the match after Alessandro Troncon scored a try and David Bortolussi added a penalty. Chris Paterson ensured Scotland's passage into the next round by kicking six penalties out of six. David Bortolussi closed the gap to two points with two penalties, but Scotland held on to finish second in Pool C. Italy finish third and qualify for the next World Cup despite being eliminated from the tournament.

Pool C winners New Zealand scored thirteen tries as they comfortably defeated Romania 85-8. Marius Tincu scored Romania's only try of the match, while Florin Vlaicu added a penalty. Joe Rokocoko scored a hat-trick of tries for the All Blacks, and Sitiveni Sivivatu and Isaia Toeava scored two each.


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Survey: Denmark, Finland are world's least and Myanmar, Somalia are world's most corrupt countries

September 29, 2007

An annual survey by Transparency International (TI) of Berlin, Germany has shown Denmark and Finland to be the world's least corrupt countries, while the most corrupt are Myanmar and Somalia.

The annual Corruption Perceptions Index listed 180 different countries. The findings were presented by TI chairman Hansjoerg Elshorst, who pointed out that the survey represented the "general perception of corruption and the fight against corruption". He also commented on the fact that five of the ten highest-ranking nations were Nordic - Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, and Norway all ranked highly. He said the main reason they did so well was that they all had highly transparent administrative systems. In addition to two Nordic countries, New Zealand was also ranked joint first. All three received ratings of 9.4 out of ten. Myanmar and Somalia both received 1.4 ratings.

Meanwhile, Croatia, Macedonia, and the Czech Republic all were commended for marked improvements in their anti-corruption efforts. Some other selected results are Singapore at joint fourth with Sweden, the United Kingdom in 12th place, Germany in 16th place, France at 19th, the United States at 20, China at 72nd and Russia at 143rd. The difference between Finland and Russia, which is rated at 2.4, is so abrupt that it is thought that the Finland-Russia border is the most sudden change of corruption levels in the world, worse than the infamous US-Mexico border.

Elshorst went on to demand higher levels of international efforts to combat corruption and for Germany's ratification of the UN Convention against Corruption.


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Interview with gay marriage movement founder Evan Wolfson

September 30, 2007 Evan Wolfson, the founder of the modern gay marriage movement, tells the waiter he would like an iced decaf and "the usual." Wolfson, one of Time Magazine's Most Influential People in the World, is a man who unflinchingly knows what he wants and stays his course, whether it be in his choice of restaurant or in his choice of battle. And others always know when they see Evan coming what it is that he wants.

Since his time at Harvard Law School when he wrote a paper on the topic, what Wolfson wants is the right for gay people to marry. The issue gained national prominence in 1993 when the Hawaii Supreme Court held in Baehr v. Lewin that the government had to show a reason for the denial of the freedom to marry, not just deny marriage licenses to the plaintiff gay couples. Wolfson was co-counsel in the historic 1996 Hawaii trial in which he argued that the government does not have a sufficient reason for excluding same-sex couples from marriage. In 1999, Wolfson contributed to Baker v. Vermont, the case that led to the creation of civil unions; advised the lead attorneys in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, the case that led to same-sex marriage in Massachusetts; and since 2003, when he founded the primary umbrella organization coordinating the efforts to win marriage for gay people, Freedom to Marry, Wolfson has played a role in every marriage equality case in the United States. He is the movement's founder and leader, and his focus remains square on winning that right. "For years," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, "many of us were saying to him, 'We're not ready. The country's not ready. And, by the way, you're crazy.'"

When I make a statement to him about his devoting his life to gay marriage, he corrects me: "I’ve played a part in cases that span the entire spectrum of eliminating gay people’s exclusions and limitations on who gay people are, and I’ve also written on immigration and economic justice, and I have worked on cases involving race discrimination in jury selection and women’s inequality.  I don’t think one has to pick one of these things; they work together."

Indeed, he has. Wolfson was lead counsel before the Supreme Court in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, the case arguing against the expulsion of gay scoutmasters. As an intrepid young assistant district attorney in Brooklyn, Wolfson worked on People v. Liberta to end the exemption that allowed women to be raped by their husbands legally, a right in New York State as early as 1984. And he helped end the practice of choosing jurors based upon their race.

Wolfson's entire career has been at the center of the most explosive legal and cultural issues of the last 30 years in the United States, and his influence has been profound. David Shankbone sat down with him to discuss some of the recent decisions affecting gay marriage, gender in marriage and reactions in the gay community to his fight for their rights.

Wolfson and gay marriage
'''DS: You are one of the leaders, arguably the founder, of the modern gay marriage movement—
 * EW: —marriage.  Not gay marriage.  Marriage.  We’re not fighting for gay marriage, or same-sex marriage, or any phrase like that.  We are fighting for an end to exclusion from marriage.  We are fighting for the freedom to marry, the same freedom, rules, responsibilities and respect as our non-gay brothers and sisters have.  It’s not just a question of wording.

'''DS: The argument is posed that it’s not the same given that marriage has traditionally been a heterosexual institution.
 * EW: The defining tradition of marriage has been change.  Throughout its thousands of years of history, across all societies, the most predominant tradition of marriage is that marriage has changed constantly from place to place, across time.

'''DS: How has marriage changed recently?
 * EW: There are four profound battles just within my lifetime that have changed marriage.  First, the battle to end the government’s role in limiting people’s ability to get out of a failed or abusive marriage.  The choice by a couple of whether to marry or divorce, that it be made by the couple rather than be imposed from without was a legal and cultural battle that took decades, arguably centuries.  We changed that tradition just in my lifetime, and marriage is stronger for it.  Very few people today would turn the clock back, despite all the rhetoric of our opponents who use divorce as an excuse as to assault gay people on marriage.  In fact, they are not seriously working to end divorce because they understand that most people believe rightly that is a decision that belongs to human beings and not one to be imposed from without.

 * The second important change was ending government interference in personal choices, such as whether or not to engage in sex with a married partner and whether to use contraception [the Supreme Court's Griswold decision]. Many opponents of gay people’s right to marry have never accepted that fundamental principle as a matter of law, even though they exert it in their own life, often hypocritically, behind closed doors.  They profess to want to roll back the clock on the Griswold decision and all the others that established the principle that those decisions rest with individuals.

 * Third was ending race restrictions on who could marry whom; that only came to a conclusion, legally speaking, forty years ago. Forty years ago there were people defending with the same ferocity as that with which they oppose gay people’s right to marry, the government’s right to restrict who can marry based upon their race, preaching who was the right kind of person to marry somebody else.  Forty years ago people believed that was okay.

 * The fourth was ending the legal subordination of women in marriage. The definition of marriage said it was okay for a husband to rape his wife because he is entitled to take what belongs to him.  I worked on the case that ended what was called the marital rape exemption.

'''DS: That was here in New York?
 * EW: That was here in New York when I worked for the Brooklyn D.A.’s office.  This is not ancient history!  This is not the Civil War…this was in our own country in our lifetime in New York State.  Marriage has always been this battlefield upon which larger questions have been addressed, and there have been many, many changes in the institution that have made it stronger and more reflective of American values--love, choice, freedom, equality, commitment, dedication--and reflective of who Americans really are, including men, women and people of diverse religious opinions, and gay people.  Values and exclusion: that’s what this struggle is about.

DS: How did you first become involved in the marriage issue and why was it something you decided to dedicate yourself to?
 * EW: The short answer is that I don’t believe now, and I didn’t believe when I started this, that you can say you are for equality but acquiesce in exclusion from the central social and legal institution of this and virtually every other society.  That’s not equality.  You can’t say you are for equality if you accept exclusion from something so important legally and personally.

'''DS: But why marriage and not immigration, or adoption? There are many areas where gay people are excluded from participation. Why do you personally focus on marriage?
 * EW: These are not either/ors.  It’s not like you have to pick one thing.  However, the reason I think it is so central to the discussion is because marriage is not just about getting married.

 * Marriage is a vocabulary, it’s a vehicle, an engine for a larger discussion that moves people’s understanding of who gay people are, why sex discrimination is wrong, why exclusion is wrong in America, that brings up discussion of the separation of church and state, that brings up discussion of whether there should be limitations or roles based on sex, or whether men and women should be treated equally. Whether two women should be considered whole when they form a committed and loving relationship, as opposed to saying they are unwhole and unequal because they don’t have a man in their life.

 * These larger questions are engendered by marriage, are promoted by the discussion around marriage, because marriage is a vocabulary in which non-gay people talk about these things and think about these things. Marriage has always been a battleground on which questions like this, large defining questions about what kind of country we are going to have and society we are going to have and the proper boundaries between the individual and the government, have been contested throughout American history.  Gay people are not the first people to tackle these questions on the battleground of marriage.  By claiming the battleground and vocabulary, we are not only addressing our exclusion from an important legal institution, to which thousands and thousands of protections, responsibilities and opportunities are connected.  It’s even bigger than that, because we are not just talking about that set of legal protections and responsibilities and the tangible and intangible consequences that flow from that, we are indeed engaging through that vocabulary in a discussion about central and important questions that in a way advances our cause, and a larger causes, more effectively than virtually any other single thing.  That’s why for all the work I have done on many different things, I see the marriage work as important.

The gay community and marriage
DS: It does not appear many gay people are galvanized to fight for the marriage right.
 * EW: For what do you see gay people more galvanized?  I would say the opposite.  I’ve seen gay people marching in the streets of California, on Freedom to Marry day all around the country.  But marching in the streets is not the ONLY methodology of social change.  Here in New York we passed a marriage bill this year.  California passed a marriage bill through two consecutive legislatures after unseating anti-gay opponents and electing pro-gay legislators.  That took action, that took planning.

'''DS: Larry Kramer, a very prominent gay critic of his own community, has taken it to task for its inaction and focusing on sex and having a good time instead of working to change their place in American society. But you are saying that there is no case of wider apathy amongst gays nor a relative disengagement with their issues? '''
 * EW: Absolutely we need to have more people break their silence, find their voice, engage in this discussion with the nongay people around them about who gay people really are, why marriage matters, how the denial of marriage hurts them, their loved ones, their partners.... We need more gay people.  We also need more non-gay people.

DS: Do you feel disappointment with the level of involvement of the gay community in the marriage issue?
 * EW: I always want more.  My job is to want more, to help make more happen, and I believe if more people would break their silence, take action, write a check, get involved, talk to their mothers and roommates, we’d go there faster.  What keeps me going is spending less time on disappointment and more time on possibility, and I always believe we can get more.  That leads me to push harder for more.  A few months ago people thought we would never live to see a marriage bill passed in New York, particularly after the cruel blow of the loss in court last year.  Within less than a year we got the New York assembly to pass a marriage bill.  Just a few years ago people didn’t think we would ever get a legislature to pass a marriage bill.  California broke that impasse, now twice.

'''DS: In July of 2006 there was a proclamation that went out called Beyond Same-Sex Marriage. It was signed by a lot of well-known people: Cornel West, Armistead Maupin, Gloria Steinem, Terrence McNally. All friends of the gay movement—'''
 * EW: —and all supporters of the freedom to marry—

'''DS: —That proclamation said too many resources are going toward gay marriage. In a similar vein, one Wikipedia editor asked, "Should we be fighting for the ultimate 'prize' of same-sex marriage when most states haven't even given the basic gay rights of non-discrimination in employment, non-discrimination in housing and non-discrimination in public places/accommodation?"'''
 * EW: Well, first of all, the signers you mentioned who signed that Beyond Marriage statement also are strong supporters of the freedom to marry.  The statement itself did not actually say what you just said.  Some of the organizers of Beyond Marriage who have their own political agenda took that broad coalition of people who signed off on the generically good goals laid there and presented it as a focused attack on the marriage work.  More than the statement or many of the individual signatories themselves believe in.

DS: Have any of the signatories rescinded their support of the Beyond Marriage statement?
 * EW: I don’t know that anyone has been asked to do that.  I think the reason why people sign statements like that is because they are in agreement with the general goals.  They are not necessarily responsible for or paying attention to what some of the people with a more focused or stronger agenda have to say.

'''DS: What was the motivation behind the letter? People such as Richard Kim, associate editor of The Nation and one of the organizers, said it supported the notion that too many resources were going toward marriage fights.'''
 * EW: I think some of the organizers had an agenda.  Richard Kim clearly has an agenda that is very different from what Gloria Steinem or Armistead Maupin have.  I think if Terrence McNally, Steinem and the others were actually shown some of Richard Kim’s articles as opposed to the broad, conciliatory and coalition-building goals found in that statement, they would not endorse his articles nor his views.

DS: Why not?
 * EW: Kim’s articles are dismissive of the importance of marriage and the aspiration to marry that millions of people have, and that people like Gloria Steinem and Terrence McNally support.  What I said to the Beyond Marriage organizers is that 90% of what is in that document we agree with and, in fact, I have worked for.  In their schema I am supposedly the antithesis of everything they stand for, yet I would argue I have done more to attain their goals than they have.

DS: Are too many resources going toward marriage fights?
 * EW: That’s completely untrue.  To the contrary, the work to win the freedom to marry, particularly in some of states that are primary battlegrounds right now, is under-funded.  We need more resources to go to winning public opinion.  I also don’t believe that money goes to one fight done right takes away from other fights we care about.  I think when we do one fight right our movement’s work rises collectively.  Gay people should not have to choose which is more important to them:  their love or their job.  That’s a false choice.

DS: Some argue that marriage fights are "too much, too soon" and that it hurts the other fights; that it causes a backlash.
 * EW: If you look at the successes of this year, we have won more non-discrimination measures, we have won more protections for transgender people, we have won more—or at least as many—gains for youth protection this year than any other year in our movement.  All of it fueled by and accelerated by the marriage work and the discussions it engenders about gay people and our common humanity.  That helps move the benchmarks about what is fair.  Richard Kim and some of the others--not all--but some of the others have a false choice framing that continually undermines the common effort.  Many of the goals that they support I also support.  That said, I don’t think they speak for everybody that signed that statement, and the proof is that it went out there and went nowhere.  Meanwhile, those of us who feel differently continue to move forward and rack gains for the movement, including, for example, the win in Iowa just a few weeks ago.

The Iowa and Maryland decisions
DS: Was it a win in Iowa, or was it a brief respite?
 * EW: It was a judge in Iowa finding that the denial of couples and families in Iowa of the freedom to marry has to change and end, and that same-sex couples should have the same freedom to marry as different sexed couples.  That’s a win.  It’s not a final win, because the case is being appealed.  But just a few years ago if people were asked if we could get a judge in Iowa to strike down the exclusion from marriage, right there in the heartland, I think most people would have said we couldn’t.

'''DS: Last week, Maryland's Court of Appeals became the latest high court, after New York, Washington and New Jersey, to refuse to grant marriage rights to gay couples. What’s your reaction to the decision? There haven’t been many gay marriage gains recently.'''
 * EW: I don’t see it that way.  I see very clearly we are in fact winning.  The number of people who are wrestling with this question, their desire to be fair but who are also struggling with their conflict and discomfort about gay people. Many don’t understand yet how the denial of marriage really effects real life people who they are increasingly coming to know.  They are having to think about how marriage is something precious and important to same-sex couples and their kids, as well as to them.  They are wrestling with all this.  I have no doubt and I see every day that more people are moving in our direction.

DS: Why is momentum in your movement seemingly stalled?
 * EW: What hasn’t happened yet is that the decision-makers at a given moment, whether it be judges on a court or the right combination of legislators and a governor, have gotten to the place where they have brought the second state [In 2004 Massachusetts became the first state to pass gay marriage].  What hasn’t happened is all those things coming into alignment to get the second state...to get the fifth state.  So you are absolutely right that the victory of the next state has remained a teeny bit beyond our grasp so far, although we continue to come closer and closer.  4-3 in Maryland is not something people thought was going to happen even that close just a few years ago.  On the other hand, 4-3 is not good enough.  It needs to be four to three in our favor, or five to two.  We are this close to getting the second state, and Maryland was very disappointing because we hoped that it might be the next one.

DS: The decision was quite strong.
 * EW: No, the decision was quite mediocre.

DS: But the court ruled against even domestic partnerships.
 * EW: Correct, although the reason the court gave for that is that the plaintiff’s didn’t ask for it.  They could have written more; they encouraged the legislature to move forward; they didn’t preclude a case challenging the denial of the incidence of marriage and unequal treatment generally; they simply ruled on the question before them.  That said, it was a disappointing decision. It was very mediocre and the reasoning was shallow and inadequate.  They never explained how if procreation is somehow central to marriage--which legally it clearly is not--how denying gay people the right to marry promotes procreation.

Freedom to Marry’s role
DS: What role does Freedom to Marry play in these cases?
 * EW: We provide a role as adviser and consultant when asked.

DS: Were you an adviser and consultant to the plaintiffs in the Maryland case?
 * EW: Yes.

DS: Does Freedom to Marry play more of a coordinating function?
 * EW: That’s one role Freedom to Marry plays.  The lawyers in our movement know how to handle these cases; in Maryland it was the ACLU, and Ken Choe did a brilliant job at argument.  My role is as an adviser and consultant, but is almost as much about being a friend and colleague as it is about the need for one more opinion.  The more important role Freedom to Marry plays is to remind all of us in this movement that winning a lawsuit, winning a legislative battle, winning a ballot measure and winning the hearts and minds of the public are not things to be  done in an isolated fashion.  We need to integrate all the work of what Martin Luther King called the methodologies of social change.  To make sure they are all being done in concert, so that when the lawyers are doing a brilliant job in court, the rest of us are doing a serious, persistent engagement of the public and opinion leaders.  The way a lawsuit turns out is at least as much effected by the work that is done in the food court as it is by what is done in the law court.  The conversations we have around the court are important as the briefs we file in the court.  So Freedom to Marry's more important role in cases like Maryland is to support the leaders on the ground and to have the engagement that creates the climate for the court to rule in our favor.

DS: How do you handle losses such as the one in Maryland?
 * EW: What eased the pain of Maryland was the truly striking and compelling video of the Mayor of San Diego signing a measure in support of gay marriage, even though literally just hours before the press conference he said he would veto it.  He’s a Republican ex-police chief, but when he looked his gay staffers and his gay daughter in the face and talked with them, he realized he couldn’t do it, and came out for the freedom to marry.  He talked about how civil unions--the position he had hours before--was not good enough.  He provided a moral witness, a living testimony, of a person thinking deep and the power that gay people have to change minds when they speak to people like him and get them to look deep in their heart.  That moment last week is an indication of how more gay people and more non-gay people can play more of a role in moving this momentum toward marriage equality even faster.

Domestic partnerships and civil unions
DS: Why are domestic partnerships or civil unions not adequate?
 * EW: Civil unions, domestic partnerships, and other legal mechanisms can serve a value in helping end discrimination and helping achieve protections and some degree of security for families.  But they are no substitute for the tangible and intangible security, protection, responsibility and respect that come with the freedom to marry.  I’m all for partnerships, civil unions and other mechanisms that help families meet their needs and do better.  But not as a substitute for ending discrimination in marriage.  Gay people should not have to go in the back door and settle for less; they should not have to take a legal mechanism that is separate and lesser, when we already have one system in our country that fully provides protections and responsibilities and respect.  That’s called marriage.  Most non-gay people would not trade their marriage for a civil union, and gay people shouldn’t have to, either.  Especially when there is no good reason for the government sending some families around the back while others come in the front.

DS: People like Alan Dershowitz have raised an argument that the word 'marriage' should be reserved for religious contexts, and in civil and legal contexts we should use a uniform concept of civil unions.
 * EW: Is Alan Dershowitz married? [he is]  For those same reasons he found it important to be legally married, and entitled to respect for that, so should gay people be married.  If it’s good enough for Professor Dershowitz, it’s good enough for us.

DS: He’s not arguing against marriage, but against marriage as a civil institution.
 * EW: Why do we suddenly have to throw out the entire system, invent some whole new thing, just because gay people want to get married?  I don’t actually see Alan Dershowitz doing anything about this, other than writing an article, because he probably rightly understand it would be an immense project to go around the country and convince 200 million plus people to trade in their marriage for something new and explain why we are doing this when we actually have a legal system that already clearly distinguishes between civil and religious marriage.  Government doesn’t issue bar mitzvah licenses or communion licenses, but it issues marriage licenses because marriage is a legal institution that is distinct from whatever ceremonies or important meaning people find when they celebrate their religious marriage in church, synagogue, temple or mosque.

 * Marriage in the United States is a civil union; but a civil union, as it has come to be called, is not marriage. It is a proposed hypothetical legal mechanism, since it doesn’t exist in most places, to give some of the protections but also withhold something precious from gay people.  There’s no good reason to do that.  We don’t need to invent a whole new system because we already have a distinction between civil and religious.

'''DS: People argue that system is already broke. Half of marriages end in divorce. If that system isn’t working for straights, why should we introduce it for gay people?'''
 * EW: I don’t accept that at all. The system works for individuals who seek the freedom to marry, enter into marriages, and find enrichment and love and support and public affirmation and a vast array of legal and economic consequences.  Many marriages may fail individually, but as an institution it works and many individual marriages work.  Most people who divorce also remarry.  That every marriage doesn’t work does not mean that marriage as an institution isn’t serving very important functions for people.  What Alan Dershowitz proposes is something people say when they don’t bite the bullet of simply saying we should end the exclusion of gay people from marriage.  Instead, they go off into some whole other academic abstraction that sounds good, but that they themselves don’t follow.  They give no political plan for achieving it, and they can’t even articulate a reason for why we need to do it.  That proposal to create something brand new out of cloth called civil union, there’s no reason why that would actually work better or worse to affect the current divorce rate.  Why would that be any different than it is for marriage?

Transgender people and marriage
'''DS: Transgender people face specific issues in marriage since what constitutes a man or a woman is often legally defined. How does the marriage movement address this issue?'''
 * EW: Our understanding of how you define a man and a woman should absolutely be true to people’s lived experience and should not be laced with archaic gender roles and discriminatory attitudes about men and women or about people who are transgender.  Second, we all have an interest in ending sex discrimination in marriage.  How you come to be a same-sex couple, whether by transition as a transgender person, or simply by falling in love with a person of the same sex, really shouldn’t affect your ability to get a marriage license.  It should not matter to the government because there is no good reason for the government to impose a different sex restriction on a couple who wants to marry.  That’s true whether it be a couple that includes a  person who is transgender or a couple who happened to get there by falling in love.

DS: Do you see the issues interrelated, or does winning the freedom to marry itself usurp any problems faced by intersexed or transgender people?
 * EW: I think ending the different sex restriction on who can marry and ending sex discrimination in marriage would significantly help people who are transgender, people who are gay and people who fall in love with somebody of the same sex.  Let’s remember: we don’t fall in love with categories, or an entire sex.  A man doesn’t marry women, he marries a particular woman he loves.  You marry the man you love, and that’s true of transgender people, straight people and gay people.  So ending discrimination in marriage would help all of us, but of course ending discrimination in marriage doesn’t solve every problem for everybody.   It’s not like ending discrimination in marriage is the only thing that matters.


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Category:October 17, 2007

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Category:October 18, 2007

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Category:October 19, 2007

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Category:October 20, 2007

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Category:October 21, 2007

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Category:October 22, 2007

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