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Due to legal reasons in Australia, media outlets can no longer use the accused man's name. (See the bottom of this news article http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/01/2290345.htm) Bidgee (talk) 11:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't we assume he's innocent until proven guilty? Fephisto (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I've reworded the lead to say that he is accused. Bidgee (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

 * O.k.. Fephisto (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't this media outlet already name him in the last article? And even if it were removed, it would still be found in the article's history. Is there anyway for Wikinews to comply with Australian law? -24.141.144.157 15:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * removed, I will delete the revisions with the name if that is supported by the Wikinews community. Anonymous101 (talk) 15:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we necessarily need to follow Australian law. Our servers are in the United States.--SVTCobra 15:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The name is still available on the Australian police website, see here. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In which at the time he was wanted (State Wide Alert) and the police are no longer naming him on new media releases (No idea why the police site still has the old releases with his name on it thought). However the law here (Australia and New South Wales) means I have to follow it even if I'm submiting it on a overseas server. Bidgee (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with SVTCobra seeing as how the Wikinews servers are located in Florida, and Wikimedia has policy of only following laws that are applicable in Florida. I'm going to edit the name back in. Gudeldar (talk) 15:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe so but I will not risk going to court if found breaking the law (Section 11 of the NSW Children (Criminal Proceedings) Act 1987.) Bidgee (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


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Will somebody please tell these people to get jobs? Maybe seek therapy?

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I've wondered what happens in Mongolia. Fephisto (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting you should say that, prompted me to check the Mongolia category. Only six articles, including this. I would not be surprised to see that go up a bit over the next few days. At one point I complained Zimbabwe wasn't well-enough covered, now the category has 69 articles. When I was regularly reporting on Thailand I dug up all the local English-language sources and found out what their biases were.
 * In the dim and distant past we used to feature one under-reported country for a while and encourage people to look for news on it. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What about Turkmenistan? I heard they had some sort of revolt a few years back, but since then it has been MEDIA BLACKOUT.  Fephisto (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:U.S.A. researchers report plagiarism in Putin's dissertation

Vladimir Putin's Dissertation reference at the Russian State Library: http://sigla.rsl.ru/view.jsp?o=a&f=1016&t=3&v0=%D0%9F%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD&o=a&f=1003&t=1&v1=&o=a&f=4&t=2&v2=&o=a&f=21&t=3&v3=&o=a&f=1016&t=3&v4=&o=a&f=1016&t=3&v5=&tr=Cyr-Common&cc=n&i=3&s=2&i18n=en&ce=...U

Your source is so patently fraudulent - it is laughable!

You have WRONG Putin:

Из фондов Российской Государственной Библиотеки Original version note 	Автореферат диссертации кандидатской Путин, Владимир Семенович Совершенствование методов обоснования ресурсной потребности территориальных подразделений государственной противопожарной службы: Автореф. дис. на соиск. учен. степ. к.т.н.: Спец. 05.13.10 М., 2004 23 с., библиогр.: с. 22-23 (11 назв.)

it is Putin Vladimir Semyonovich, while the President is Vladimir Vladimirovich.

His thesis theme is resource needs of regions in the area of fire prevention and firefighting. Ha-ha-ha!

Comments from feedback form - "While you state the plagarism ..."
While you state the plagarism and cite the original text, there is no link to the original published thesis, nor an ISBN number, you link to the University of Pitsburg itself, but nothing about a publication. The you link to the Brookings Institute itself, but again when linking to Clifford Gaddy the link is broken, stating it doesn't exist or has been moved. There is no proof here of anything, only stated conjecture of a Highly Visible Public Figure. One of Three of the Top Leaders in the World. IMHO, Before someone should write such an article, they should have non-refutable evidence. —Eossipov (talk) 07:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


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New study shows children's perception of rainforest wildlife

July 3, 2008 A recently released study has shown how dramatically 's perception of wildlife differs from the animal's effect on the. The study said that it aimed to "investigate UK children's perceptions of the biodiversity and ecology of rainforest environments," by evaluating "children's perceptions by assessing their drawings of rainforests."

The study showed that children have a greater awareness of the animals like and, instead of the more common species like ants, which are often considered less exciting. This is despite the fact that these species have the greatest effect on the rainforest.

Children from aged 3 to 11 were included in the study, and all age groups had a disproportionately large amount of mammals and birds in their drawings. Around half of the participants were aged over eight, and both the three to five and five to seven age group covered around a quarter of the participants each.


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Continental Airlines to face charges over Air France Concorde disaster

July 3, 2008

United States air carrier Continental Airlines and two of their employees have been charged over the crash of. The disaster involved a crash on July 25, 2000 near, Paris, France that killed all 109 on board and four more on the ground. It was carrying mostly German tourists to in New York.

The crash occurred after a metal strip detached from a Continental that departed before the Concorde and was left behind on the runway. When Concorde took off afterwards it hit the strip, which punctured a tyre. As the tyre disintegrated a piece of debris punctured a fuel tank, triggering a large fire as the jet took off. The badly damaged aircraft crashed into a hotel before it was able to perform an emergency landing. The final report was not released until 2004.

One Continental employee, mechanic John Taylor, is being charged over making and installing the non-standard strip. Head of maintenance Stanley Ford is being charged for allowing the part to be modified by Taylor without clearing the changes properly, and the airline is charged for allowing the widebodied passenger jet back into the air and having failed to maintain it adequately. It is also claimed the titanium strip should have been made of softer aluminium, which had a lower risk of damaging tyres.

Three further individuals have been charged as well. Henri Perrier, head of the initial Concorde programme at, Jacques Herubel, Concorde chief engineer at the time and Claude Frantzen, ex-head of technical services at the French civil aviation authority are all facing charges. The charges are primarily for.

As a result of the Concorde disaster the aircraft was grounded pending emergency modifications. It was official removed from service in 2003 by its only two operators, British Airways and Air France. The model's first commercial flight was in 1976, and it was the world's first supersonic airliner. It was developed as a collaboration between Britain and France.


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You don't move countries from one continent to another just because a few articles have been mis-categorized. --SVTCobra 17:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Central America
Cuba and Mexico are not in Central America --SVTCobra 17:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you propose getting rid of Category:Middle East too? --SVTCobra 17:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Latin America is probably the most confusing because you have to elimnate anglophonic countries like Belize and dutch-speaking Aruba. --SVTCobra 17:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

You make some valid points, but arbitrarily moving Mexico and Cuba out of North America is not the solution. Any such changes wreak havoc on our archives of old news stories. The water cooler is a good place to start discussions on this. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Charges
I know you haven't finished yet, but what charges are they facing? Murder? Criminal negligence? Parking in a handicap zone? Cheers.--SVTCobra 17:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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If you want to write a follow-up article to Four killed, dozens injured in Jerusalem attack on bus that would be fine, but please do not add new information to yesterday's news. --SVTCobra 18:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Sulpicio Lines pay PHP6.2 million for death of man in 1998 ferry disaster

July 3, 2008

Sulpicio Lines, a ferry company in the Philippines, have been ordered to pay PH₱6.24 million over the death of a man on board MV Princess of the Orient, which sank in stormy weather off Batangas in 1998. Ernesto Unabia was one of seventy confirmed fatalities in the disaster, which left eighty more missing.

Unabia was a 37-year-old seaman who worked on international vessels, and earned a ₱120,000 salary. According to widow Verna Unabia, who filed the case with her three children, he was going to work on for thirteen more years and then retire. Unabia's case is the first to be concluded, although most victims settled with Sulpicio without claims being filed.

Although Sulpicio lost their appeal several weeks ago, reporters have only today received access to documentation concerning the case.

Under Philippines law, employers are responsible for their employees actions. However, in Pestaño vs. Sumayang the Supreme court ruled that if it could be proved an employer had taken appropriate diligence when selecting employers then they could not be held responsible.

It was viewed that Sulpicio was responsible as they failed to remove captain Esrum Mahilum from the vessel despite a number of incidents involving the ferry while he was in command of it. Princess of the Orient had struck the bottom of Manila's North Harbour, sideswiped a container ship and suffered a crippling engine fire while berthed at North Harbour, being towed first to Cebu and ultimately Singapore for repairs.

Despite these serious incidents while the ship was under Mahilum's care, however, he was not removed from captaincy or even disciplined. A Board of Marine Inquiry (BMI) investigation into the ultimate sinking of the Princess of the Orient would later say that Sulpicio did not have enough initiative to take action against him. The court ruled this made them responsible for his actions.

On September 18, 1998, the day of the sinking, Captain Mahilum was warned before starting out that severe weather was approaching. He wrongly calculated that the storm was safely distanced and left port regardless, running into the storm two hours later. Princess of the Orient began listing to the left and a distress call was sent, but she sank before help arrived. The BMI's report blamed the disaster on the captain making "erroneous maneuvers of the vessel before it sank." He remains missing to this day.

After the court ruled that this made Sulpicio liable to pay civil damages an appeal was filed, in which Sulpicio said that the captain "valiantly tried to save his ship up to the bitter end. He heroically went down with his ship." Although he failed to properly supervise the abandon ship order he gave, he was last seen helping passengers to board life rafts. Sulpicio further alleged that careful analysis of the BMI report showed he did not directly cause the disaster.

The court rejected the appeal, with judge Estella Alma Singco saying that while the failure to remove the captain wasn't the direct cause, "such failure doubtless contributed materially to the loss of life." Sulpicio were ordered to pay P6.240 million in lost earnings, P100,000 moral damages, P50,000 indemnity - which Sulpicio had already offered to all the families of the deceased - and P50,000 in pursuer's litigation costs.


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Mongolia's ruling party wins elections as rioting subsides

July 3, 2008 Mongolia's ruling People's Revolutionary Party (MPRP) has been declared winners of the country's legislative elections, two days after allegations of vote-rigging leveled against the ruling party sparked violent protests in the capital of Ulaanbaatar.

Preliminary results show the MPRP with 47 seats out of 76 in the State Great Khural, General Election Committee spokesman Nergui reported. The opposing Democratic Party won 26 seats, Nergui said, with the remaining seats divided between minor parties. The official results are expected to be revealed tomorrow. Nevertheless, the preliminary results indicate a decisive victory for the former communist party.

International observers say the vote was largely fair. There were some irregularities reported, but according to William Ifante, Mongolia director of The Asia Foundation, "they were in no way widespread" and the election "appeared to have been transparent and free throughout." This did not stop Democratic Party supporters from taking to the streets on Tuesday in protest of alleged election fraud. Rioters clashed with police, setting fire to the MPRP headquarters and a cultural center. Five people were killed in the violence, over 300 were injured, and around 700 protesters were detained. President Nambaryn Enkhbayar declared a four-day state of emergency in the capital, which will stay in effect until Saturday.

Calm has since been restored in Ulaanbaatar, although a heavy police presence remains in the city. "Life is steadily coming back to normal. Military equipment has been moved from the city and traffic restrictions have been lifted," said Justic Minister Monkh-Orgil. Protests have been banned during the state of emergency, but Democratic Party leader Tsakhiagiyn Elbegdorj does not expect a recurrence of the violence.

However, Elbegdorj still asserts that the elections were marred by fraud, and he is demanding a recount. "I am deeply saddened that this vote was stolen," he said. "It was stolen and there needs to be a recount. The result is false."


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Comments:New study shows children's perception of rainforest wildlife

That's nice to know
I understand the idea of, "Sometimes in science, the practical purpose will reveal itself later," but come on. Do we really need to know this? What a waste of time, energy, and money. - w:User:Ian Lee 21:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

PLoS ONE
I blame the bean counters. "How many publications do you have?"

Here is some information about the journal in which the paper was published...

PLoS ONE is built on several conceptual differences compared to traditional peer-reviewed publishing so far.

It does not use presumed importance of a paper as a criterion for rejection. Instead, PLoS ONE only verifies whether experiments were conducted rigorously and astutely and will publish any paper where this is the case. This policy is likely to produce a low impact factor of PLoS ONE compared to other PLoS journals once assigned.

Being an online-only publication allows PLoS ONE to publish more papers than a journal that prints a weekly or monthly issue. This again increased the ease of publishing while it makes screening papers on PLoS ONE more difficult due to sheer total number of publications.

Children's drawing as an scientific study?
I'm sure these children just don't understand the macro-level impact of such animals. I doubt a child that young could even understand the concept. These children obviously would draw the animals they find most attractive in their minds, not just animals they're aware of. How many of these kids drew micro-organisms, which of course have a much larger impact than ants do. The absurdities of this study are obvious and laughable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.226.230.36 (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

What a ridiculous study
A child paints a tiger because its cool, not because of its function in the biological ecosystem of forestation near the equatorial circle of latitude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.89.0.118 (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But isn't that the point? It's not trying to highlight what children do know, but what they don't, and questioning why. Talkingpie (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly. I think that the point of this study was to show that, for whatever reason (likely 'cuteness' and 'coolness' as you say), children are more aware of low impact creatures than they are of high impact creatures. What this study neglects, imo, is that many adults have the same perceptional biases that children do. We want to save cute animals, but if a species of mosquito was near extinction, I suspect we'd all cheer and talk about how malaria would be eliminated, rather than the many negative side effects such an extinction would have. Cute beats useful any day of the week.Gopher65talk 19:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


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Judge orders YouTube to hand over video view records

July 4, 2008

This past Tuesday, a United States federal judge ordered the popular YouTube to hand over a record of every video that users have watched, including registered accounts and.

Viacom, which owns several U.S. television networks such as MTV and Nickelodeon, launched a $1 billion lawsuit last year alleging that YouTube wasn't doing enough to stop its copyrighted material from appearing in over 160,000 unauthorized clips that have been viewed over 1.5 billion times. Viacom argued that since they claimed that copyright material is more popular than user-made videos, they needed access to the information to strengthen the case, in which US District Court judge agreed and ordered Google to turn over such information.

Google argued that this would cause privacy issues, but Stanton said it was just speculation. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based privacy advocate group, said the ruling was "a setback to privacy rights, and will allow Viacom to see what you are watching on YouTube." said EFF's senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl.

Viacom had also requested for the code used to search keywords for each video and access to Google's advertising database to see if Google was receiving revenue from ads from the alleged videos, but these requests were denied by the judge, arguing that code and ad data was too valuable.

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President Bush plans to attend opening of Beijing Olympics

July 3, 2008

United States President George W. Bush is scheduled to attend the opening ceremony of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing on August 8, the White House said Thursday.

The visit will be part of an August trip to China, South Korea, and Thailand, where he will discuss issues such as bilateral relations, U.S.-Korean trade and North Korea's nuclear program.

Human rights groups have appealed to Bush not to attend the Olympics, citing the Chinese government's crackdown on Tibetan protesters as evidence of human rights abuse. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Czech Republic President Vaclav Klaus have said they will boycott the opening ceremony as a political protest. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says that he will not attend the opening, but he will be at the closing. U.S. senator and former Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was among a group of senators who sent Bush a letter urging him not to attend the Olympics. Presumptive Presidential nominees Barack Obama and John McCain have also weighed in. Obama wants Bush to boycott the ceremony if China doesn't respect human rights in Tibet and pressure Sudan on the violence in Darfur, while McCain has said that if he were President, he wouldn't attend.

Representatives of the Chinese government have begun talks with the Dalai Lama to ease tension between China and Tibet. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said earlier this week that his attendance at the Olympics will depend on the outcome of these talks.

However, Bush has previously said that he would go to the Olympics to support American athletes, not to make a political statement. "He sees this as a sporting competition," said White House Press Secretary Dana Perino. "But at the same time, just as he will this week when he sees President Hu, he will talk to him about these important issues of human rights and especially religious freedom."


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Comments:Judge orders YouTube to hand over video view records

wtf... so 'long privacy

Ridiculous
I heard that there is going to be or is a major lawsuit filed to stop this. I think really that YouTube should tell them to fuck themselves. YouTube is not responsible for the videos on the site, the users are. YouTube is just simply a place to put these things. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. And furthermore, YouTube is almost relentless at removing its copyrighted videos.  Within minutes of receiving notice of something copyrighted (even if it is a false claim as with the Atheism videos a few months back), they take it down.  This is nothing but ridiculous, and serves only to badly hurt the once great image of Viacom. - w:User:Ian Lee 04:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * On what grounds? Law enforcment is prevented from 'fishing' expeditions by the constitution, it wouldbe intresting to say the least, if the supremme court ruled the Viacom ruling to be a unconstitutional search. Also It may place Google in an impossible position, I.E If it handed over

EU data, it could very well face prosecurtion under privacy and dat protection laws in various EU member states (France in particular has very draconian privacy rules) 62.56.89.38 10:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

All Online Service Providers (including Wikimedia) should be concerned about this ruling. Whatever happened to the Safe Harbor Provisions provided in the DMCA? --Chiacomo (talk) 05:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikimedia regularly nukes even legitmate fair use, so it should be concerened but not as concerned

as service providers that have a 'chinese fan' attitude problem when it comes to the misuse of copyrighted works. You Tube could and probably have seen this coming, and taken a proactive rather than reactive approach, If anything YouTube should be the one sued by it's users for libaility exposure resulting out of You Tube's 'attitude'problem.62.56.89.38 10:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You Tube
I believe that if Viacom is worried about thier profits. Perhaps a boycott be started against all movies, cable and television along with the purchase of any products by Viacom will solve thier problems. Yes lets give those at Viacom something to worry about. Am I alone with this thought? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.136.26.231 (talk) 03:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC) oops. this thought is from just me Naperville Il. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.136.26.231 (talk) 03:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you are not alone with this thought. 193.34.1.1 08:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Great....
The liberals were right our freedom is being taken away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.34.63 (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Somebody call Austin Powers!
The bad guys want (puts pinkie to mouth) One BILLION dollars!

The judge should be taken out the back of the courthouse and be executed. This is a giant fishing expedition and Viacom should be boycotted for being scum. Admittedly, scum with lawyers, but scum nonetheless. As I understand it, there are provisions in law like the DMCA that allow them to get their stuff taken down - but greedy bastards that they are - they'd rather sell a sob-story to a judge in an attempt to profit from their own laziness. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Confused a little
How are they going to find enough time to search through millions of YouTube accounts? And if they find out that I've watched a copyrighted video, what are they going to do, sue me? This decision just seems really confusing. ~Planoneck~ 15:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Ass-kicking called for
This requires a public ass-kicking. I spoke with a relative who is a lawyer, and he confirmed my suspicious: anyone anywhere in the world who has ever used YouTube can take this into court in their country, under their state's privacy laws. Places with decent privacy laws will be a tough fight, and I can't believe Viacom will even bother to appear in every last little state (there must be somebody with a computer in the Central African Republic who'd give this a shot...) So, if Google don't appeal, who votes the entire planet takes Viacom to court? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Legal point: Could a reasonable person consider that by obtaining viewing data, Viacom is in effect

as well persuing a legitmate disupte, obtaning privliged commerical information? 62.56.89.38 17:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Legal Point: Would scaring users away inadvertently or causing users to quit You Tube over privacy concerns, be unfair restraint of trade, given that it potnetialy means lower advertising revenu to Google? 62.56.89.38 17:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Legal Point: The US constitution has a clause about unfair searches, does this apply only to the Government, or does it apply to any entity constituted in law (as a corporation would be? 62.56.89.38 17:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

What right does Viacom have?
Can they really ask YouTube to turn over the records of people that have watched all videos, even including the ones they don't hold any sort of copyright for? (→ Zachary ) 00:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:President Bush plans to attend opening of Beijing Olympics

How could President Bush talk about the religious freedom?
 * How can any politician talk about human rights, when they authorize torture and killings?
 * It's your everyday politics... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.110.72 (talk) 08:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

He has since essentially stated that he does not want to offend China. Would that not be precisely the purpose of any sort of boycott- to tell China that the US is offended by Chinese non-intervention and even support of the Sudanese and Burmese governments, as well as their own human rights record? (However hypocritical that may be). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ytterix (talk • contribs) 01:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


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As much as I...
Loved the Concorde... jesus christ, fucking cheese eating surrender monkey frenchies. You wait till eight years after the crash and four years after the report was released to file charges? Wow, talk about retarded, why not have done it after the report CAME OUT, FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO. Ironically, I was reading up on the Concorde yesterday, but I wasn't expecting this to happen. --TUFKAAP (talk) 06:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

the criminal investigation didn't begin until after the report was finished, you moron. -Imind (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Normally i would think the company should take the blame. but this brash arrogant incompetence is the fault of John Taylor and or Stanley Ford for making or ordering a spare part for the plane out of titanium.. with an obviouly high risk of it coming free and doing major damage, as it did.


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Threat received before Boeing 767 fire at San Francisco

July 4, 2008 As part of an update by the United States National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) into its investigation of a fire on a Boeing 767 cargo plane at San Francisco International Airport last week, it has been revealed the operator received a threat the week before.

ABX Air, a contractor for DHL that is also known as Airborne Express, received a threat against them, although no specific aircraft was mentioned. However, the NTSB also said that initial investigations have revealed no evidence of a bomb or an incendiary device. The fire at 10 p.m. Saturday broke through the jet's exterior just behind the cockpit. The two-man crew had been preparing to start up the jet's engines for takeoff at the time, but escaped without injury. Both have been interviewed by the NTSB, and the Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder have both been sent to Washington where they are being analysed at the NTSB's headquarters.

Records kept by the NTSB and the Federal Aviation Authority indicate that the aircraft, which was manufactured in 1987, had had no previous issues. It had transported passengers until 2004, when Israel Aerospace Industries converted the plane for cargo transport. Israel's Ministry of Transport has sent a representative to assist the investigation, and Israel Aerospace Industries will serve in an advisory capacity.

Also assisting with the investigation were the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, the Transportation Security Administration, the San Francisco Fire Department and the San Francisco Airport Rescue and Fire Fighting division. Under International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13 other firms involved with the aircraft, such as Boeing and ABX, will also be party to the investigation.

The NTSB expects the on-scene portion of the investigation to be completed by July 6.


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Over 60 members of Chadian sect killed by troops after violence

July 4, 2008 Over 60 members of a Chadian sect have been killed in fighting with police that started after the group's leader announced his wish to start a holy war. The government security minister, Mahamat Bachir, said that the death toll is "a regrettable toll, but we think we now control the situation caused by the actions carried out by these terrorists, these extremists."

Ahmat Ismael Bichara, who led the sect and claimed to follow the religion of Islam, ordered his followers to attack villagers as part of the start of a holy war. As a result of this, he was arrested.

Members of the security forces were also wounded in the attack. There were ten injuries, four of which resulted in fatalities. In addition to the deaths from the sect, over 50 members of the group were also injured.

Government officials also claimed that the sect wanted the war to spread as far as Europe. "Since June 3, he [the leader of the group] has been calling on all Muslims to prepare to engage in a holy war against Christians and atheists, saying that the war would be launched from Chad to as far as Denmark," said the official.

The incident occurred in an area near the town of Kouno, which is 300 kilometres away from Ndjamena, the Chadian capital.


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This unapproved bot is flooding recent changes so I have blocked it for 24 hours. Could the owner of this bot please file a request for bot status at WN:BOT. Thanks, Anonymous101 (talk)
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Former US Senator Jesse Helms dead at 86

July 4, 2008 Former United States senator from North Carolina Jesse Helms has died today at the age of 86 after a long battle with vascular dementia.

"Jesse Helms was one of the most consequential figures of the 20th century. Along with Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, he helped establish the conservative movement and became a powerful voice for free markets and free people," said Ed Feulner, president of the Heritage Foundation.

Helms was born Jesse Alexander Helms, Jr. on October 18, 1921 in Monroe, North Carolina. He was a five term senator for N.C. and was also a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman. He also became the first U.S. lawmaker to speak in front of the United Nations Security Council.

Helms opposed the use of American troops in Bosnia saying "I will not support sending American soldiers to fight and to die for the sake of an agreement not yet reached which may offer no more than the promise of a brief pause while all sides prepare for the next round of Balkan wars."

In 2002, Helms received the Clare Boothe Luce Award, which is the foundation's highest award. The Foundation stated, "[Helms is] dedicated, unflinching and articulate advocate of conservative policy and principle."

At various times throughout his career Helms created controversy with his ties to Salvadoran death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson, his unflinching support of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, and statements viewed by some as racist and homophobic.


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Chinese Wikipedia unblocked by government

July 4, 2008

According to reports, the government of People's Republic of China has stopped restricting access to the in some parts of the country starting on July 3.

The report originated on the 's mailing list quoting a website saying "Wikipedia Chinese version unblocked." Wikinews has confirmed that the reports are accurate through discussion with people attempting to access Wikipedia from China.

Despite the report, there are still some issues with accessing the site according to readers of the site. Sources tell  that although the English version is unblocked, the Chinese version still remains blocked or hard to access in many parts of the country. This comes after the Chinese unblocking of the all other language variations of Wikipedia in April.

Ian A. Holton, who is an administrator on the English Wikipedia, has confirmed that the Chinese Wikipedia is accessible in the, although users in , and some in  are still unable to access the site. The restriction in Beijing does not appear to cover the entire area: sources have told Wikinews the site can be accessed in many parts of Beijing.

There has been some doubt on whether Wikipedia will remain accessible after the Olympic games. Christiano Moreschi, another active contributor to the English Wikipedia, said that "I doubt this will last 5 minutes beyond the end of the closing ceremony of the Olympics."

The warned China in April that it wanted the internet freely accessible for the entire duration of the. Unrestricted access is guaranteed to the 30,000 reporters and media staff expected for the Olympics under 'host city contract'.


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Is any of this Original? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Talked to a few admins in IRC who confirm the report. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * i trying to get comments from some active contributers to zh.wikipedia  and the foundation now. Also I discussed this in IRC yesterday to confirm the report. Anonymous101 (talk) 15:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Related question
Other Wikipedias Does anyone know if they ever blocked the Cantonese, classical Chinese, Hakka, Min-Nan, or Wuu Wikipedias? Or for that matter, any other Wikimedia Foundation projects in any Chinese language? Koavf (talk) 20:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Good work!
Very nice article :). It would be great if we could see some of the chatlogs/etc. that were referred to in the article. In any case though, I really enjoyed reading this piece of news. Regards Sean Heron (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Request move
To "Government unblocks Chinese Wikipedia" (active voice). Omnicloud (talk) 01:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Better People's Republic of China unblocks Chinese Wikipedia. Koavf (talk) 03:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

still blocked
It's still blocked here(Guangzhou,China Telecom).Facebook(IP:69.63.176.140) and SourceForge are also blocked too.--Gzdavidwong (talk) 05:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


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Welcome
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User talk:Bwolper

Welcome
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User talk:Gudeldar

Welcome
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Pakistani scientist says government knew about nuclear shipment to North Korea

July 4, 2008

Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, who has been under house arrest since 2004 for his alleged involvement in exporting nuclear technology to North Korea, Iran, and Libya, says that North Korea's shipment of gas centrifuges in 2000 was under the supervision of Pakistan's army.

In a phone interview with the Associated Press, Khan said that the centrifuges, which are used in the process of enriching uranium, were loaded in a North Korean plane under supervision of Pakistani security officials. He claims the shipment must have had the consent of President Pervez Musharraf, who at that time was chief of the army.

"It was a North Korean plane, and the army had complete knowledge about it and the equipment," Khan said. "It must have gone with [Musharraf's] consent." The Pakistani government has repeatedly denied any knowledge of the nuclear shipments.

Khan's claims contradict his 2004 confession, in which he reportedly admitted to providing North Korea, Iran, and Libya with nuclear materials and designs without authorization. He was put under house arrest after his confession, but was pardoned by Musharraf. He is still seen as a hero by many Pakistanis for his efforts in creating Pakistan's nuclear program.

In recent weeks, Khan has begun retracting his confession, claiming he had been promised complete freedom for becoming a "scapegoat", promises which he says were "not honored". He says that some of his friends, including PML-Q leader and former Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, had persuaded him that it was in the national interest.

"In the interests of the country, I agreed to take the blame," he said. "A statement was given to me to read with the understanding that it would be followed by a presidential pardon, total rehabilitation and full freedom to move and meet anyone within the country. That promise was not kept on the part of the president."

Khan now denies ever traveling to Iran or Libya, and he says that North Korea's nuclear program had already been "well-advanced" before he arrived. He admits to making two trips to North Korea for the exchange of missile technology, but says the trips did not involve nuclear secrets and were government-sanctioned.

Musharraf's spokesman, Rashid Qureshi, denies Khan's allegations. "I can say with full confidence that it is all lies and false statements," he said. United States officials are also skeptical of Khan's recent claims. "We have not changed our assessment that A.Q. Khan was a very major and dangerous proliferator," an unnamed U.S. official said.

Khan's wife Hendrina has challenged her husband's house arrest, hiring attorney Mohammad Iqbal Jaffry to argue the case in court. Jaffry will petition for an end to Khan's restriction of movement, which his wife says constitutes an "illegal detention". A hearing has been scheduled for July 15.


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Searching for asteroids, extraterrestrial life a little more rocky: Budget cuts threaten to close Arecibo, world's largest radio telescope

July 18, 2008 For nearly half a century the world's largest telescope, the Arecibo Observatory in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, has been observing our solar system and the universe around it. Completed by Cornell University along with the National Science Foundation (NSF) in 1963, Arecibo's enormous size gives it the ability to collect more light than any other telescope, allowing it to observe objects that are too faint for other radio telescopes to see. Its main purposes are radio astronomy, aeronomy and radar astronomy, but is probably most famous for its continuing use to search for and attempt to communicate with extraterrestrial life outside our solar system and beyond.

Now Arecibo is facing severe budget cuts which could ultimately close the facility. In an in depth exclusive report, Wikinews examined how much of the observatory's budget was at risk, and what the possible outcomes could be for the programs currently relying on Arecibo as their main research tool. Wikinews spoke to several individuals closely affiliated with projects and facilities who use significant time at the observatory.

Currently, the NSF funds the operations of Arecibo with just over US$10 million every year. By 2011 they plan to drastically cut that funding to only $4 million a year, nearly 65% less than the current budget. To counter that loss, the United States House of Representatives passed a bill that would authorize NASA to spend at least 2 million dollars of their nearly $21 billion budget to fund portions of Arecibo until 2009. But that still leaves more than half of the loss to be recovered, and if something isn't done soon the facility will be closed by 2011 — or sooner if additional cuts are made.

Arecibo is 305 meters in diameter and 300 meters tall at its highest point. It also has an on-site remote sensing LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) system to detect light and range of a given object in space. Construction began in 1960 and the observatory officially opened on November 1, 1963. Since then, several projects, programs and discoveries were made possible because of the telescope. Its platform also received a fresh coat of paint in late 2007, the first since it was built.

In 1989, the first images of an asteroid named 4769 Castalia were captured using Arecibo. In 1992 Aleksander Wolszczan, an astronomer from Poland used Arecibo to discover pulsar PSR B1257+12 which then led him to discover the first three extrasolar planets in history, and possibly a comet. Scientists with the Near Earth Object Program also use the observatory to track possible meteors and asteroids that have the potential to strike the Earth. Arecibo is also part of the Express Production Real-time e-VLBI Service (EXPReS) project which is aimed at connecting telescopes from Africa, Europe and North and South America to create a 6,000 mile wide telescope. This allows all connected telescopes to observe the exact same spot in the sky giving scientists images 100 times better than any single telescope on Earth. A successful test of this system was completed on May 22. The observatory was also featured in the movie Contact starring Jodie Foster and several James Bond films. Perhaps the most well known use of Arecibo is its ongoing attempt to find and or communicate with extraterrestrial life. The popular distributed computing SETI@home project launched in 1999 (started by scientists at the University of California, Berkeley), uses Arecibo on a daily basis to record radio data. SETI@home users from around the world can then donate computer time to analyze the data for potential artificial signals, and maybe some day find a message from another intelligent civilization.

"If this occurs [budget cuts], all projects using Arecibo would stop, including uncompleted surveys looking for pulsars, mapping Galactic hydrogen and of course our SETI surveys (SETI@home and SERENDIP V)," stated Eric Korpela, the project scientist for SETI@home, to Wikinews. This would also include the NEO Program. Currently the NEO is mandated by Congress to keep a record of all near-Earth objects that are more than 1 kilometer in diameter.

According to Korpela, the cuts began several years ago when United States senators earmarked funds for other observatories located in West Virginia and New Mexico. He says that those actions "diverted money away from the rest of astronomy" causing the NSF to take the shortfall from the Arecibo budget.

"About two years ago, NSF decided that because of additional funding problems Arecibo would have to close in 2011 with substantial budget cuts before then," added Korpela who also said the he is sure that SETI@home and SERNDIP V could find an alternative science source, but nothing as powerful and as sensitive as Arecibo. Korpela also adds that there is not yet any planned move of SETI@home, and no agreements between them and other observatories.

"I'm certain the both SETI@home and SERENDIP V would find another telescope to use. But no other telescope comes close to the sensitivity of Arecibo, with the next largest telescopes having a factor of 10 less collecting area and therefore a factor of 10 less sensitivity.  The same is true for the pulsar searches.  For the hydrogen mapping Arecibo has 3 times the angular resolution of the nearest competitors," added Korpela but also stated that "there currently aren't any plans" to move SETI@home and that they don't "have any agreements from any of the telescopes" to host SETI@home; there are several possible telescopes SETI@home could use adds Korpela. "Of course we'd like the largest telescopes available if we could get them. Parkes (a 64m telescope in Australia) would be a good candidate. Effelsberg (a 100m dish in Germany) or the 100m Green Bank Telescope in the U.S. would also be good candidates, but as I said much discussion would need to take place before a change could happen," said Korpela.

In June, former U.S. President Bill Clinton and his daughter Chelsea visited the observatory in an effort to bring awareness to the importance of Arecibo; he called the funding for the facility "gravely inadequate." He also stated that his wife, and former 2008 U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, supports the need for "basic science", and notes Hillary's continued support for a defeated congressional bill that would have given Arecibo the funding it needed.

The bill, named H.R. 2862 'Departments of Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Bill', was rejected by the House of Representatives because "it exceed[ed] the President's request by $1.4 billion." The House stated that the need for more funding for the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was more important.

"The Administration shares the priority the Senate Committee affords basic research and fundamental science and education at NSF, but is concerned that the bill does not fully support the President's request," stated the bill which also added that "the Committee has identified areas, such as facilities oversight, that need increased investment to maintain NSF's efficient operations" and that the NSF didn't "provide [a] full request for salaries and expenses that would allow NSF to continue to perform to high standards." A new bill was then resubmitted and reintroduced as H.R. 3737 on October 3, 2007. It is specifically aimed at providing the "National Science Foundation and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) utilization of the Arecibo Observatory."

"[This bill will] ensure that the Arecibo Observatory is fully funded to continue its research on Earth's ionosphere, continue its research in radio astronomy, and continue research on the solar system; and coordinate with the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to ensure that the capabilities of the Arecibo Observatory continue to be available for National Aeronautics and Space Administration research in characterizing and mitigating Near Earth Objects, and other research as needed," states the Bill.

If Arecibo were to close, Korpela states that it would take only a short time for SETI@home to move its project elsewhere, but that any agreements made with other observatories will take a much longer time to work out. "Setting up the equipment at a new telescope would be a matter of days, arranging an agreement to do so would take much longer. If we can't find an alternative telescope after an Arecibo shutdown, the project would end once the existing data was analyzed. We're still hoping that Arecibo will be spared," added Korpela. He calls for more support of bill H.R. 3737 to continue Arecibo's science, and SETI@home urges individuals to write to Congress to show support for the bill.

As for the NEO Program, packing up and moving to another location is not possible. There are no other observatories sensitive or large enough to perform the task of tracking near-Earth objects, especially ones at great distances. If Arecibo were to close, the NEO Program, despite a U.S. Congressional mandate and recognition from the Astronomical Science Senior Review Committee, would come to a screeching halt. Wikinews contacted the NSF for a statement, but a Dan MacMillan directed us to the Committee's report.

"The SR endorses its future discovery potential and archival value. The SR recognizes the significant and unique scientific contributions that the Arecibo Observatory has made to astronomy and astrophysics and it congratulates NAIC and Cornell on operating the facility so effectively," said the Committee in a 94 page report on the NSF's budget.

"However, the committee was not persuaded of the primacy of the science program beyond the end of the decade and found that the case for long term support at the present level was not as strong as that for other facilities. The SR recommends that NAIC plan either to close Arecibo or to operate it with a much smaller AST budget. The SR recommends closure after 2011 if the necessary support is not forthcoming. It recommends that operation of the Angel Ramos Visitor Center continue," added the Committee which also said that "that there were no reliable de-commissioning estimates and recommends that AST engage an independent study to advise on the viability and cost of decommissioning the telescope."

In an attempt to cover the budget shortfall Arecibo faces, Don Campbell, Professor of Astronomy at Cornell's Department of Astronomy, who specializes in radio and radar astronomy, tells Wikinews that the university is looking at all possible sources of funding to keep Arecibo open.

"Cornell/NAIC is looking at all possibilities for raising the funds needed to keep the Observatory operating as a forefront institution for research in astronomy and atmospheric sciences. This includes funding from federal agencies, from within Puerto Rico, via international agreements and from private sources," said Campbell who added that "the NSF's Division of the Senior Review (SR) panel recommended that NAIC's budget - NAIC is head quartered at Cornell University and manages the Arecibo - from NSF/AST be reduced from about $10.5M to $8M in FY 2010. It also recommended that there be a further 50% reduction in FY 2011 and that Cornell must find the additional funds needed to operate Arecibo from other sources."

Campbell also adds that Arecibo is so unique and sensitive, closing it makes no sense.

"Closing Arecibo would be closing the world's largest and most sensitive single dish radio telescope. It is 4 to 5 times more sensitive, and has a higher resolving power at the same frequencies, than the next largest single dish radio telescope, the 100 m Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope," said Campbell.

"Arecibo is also, of course, the source of the data that is processed by all the volunteers working with the SETI@home project. Given its relatively small operating budget, closing Arecibo makes no sense," added Campbell.


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Talk:Searching for asteroids, extraterrestrial life a little more rocky: Budget cuts threaten to close Arecibo, world's largest radio telescope

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I have contacted several people who run programs and projects using arecibo such as Dave Anderson of SETI@home. I also contacted the program director of Arecibo and will be contacting the Planetary Society later. I have recieved a reply from SETI@home and will be adding that info soon. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Will contact the NSF as well as the NEO Program. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Awaiting replies from above parties. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

SETI@home quotes
E-mails are long, and somewhat in depth. So I sent them to scoop. If an individual would like to see them, feel free to ask and I will send. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Senators and Congressmen
I have contacted some of these people for statements and such. Thanks Amgine :-} DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sensitivity
I'll note that although Arecibo is the most sensitive radio telescope in the world, it isn't necessarily the best, or the most powerful. Sensitivity (ie, the amount of light that it takes for the telescope to detect an object) is only one of several factors that determine the usefulness of a telescope. As an example, Arecibo's resolution is far lower than some other telescopes, because resolution is determined by the baseline of the detector, not by the area of the detector (meaning that it takes blurry images, but it can take blurry images of really dim objects). So while Arecibo is certainly useful, I don't think that it is correct to imply that it is the most useful radio telescope in the world.Gopher65talk 17:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In terms of the main body of science it is responsible for, it is the most sensitive. Most of the research done using Arecibo cannot be done elsewhere. For example the NEO Program would be non existent if it were not for Arecibo. SETI@home might never have existed, and who knows about the NEO...I am still waiting for replies from them. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well... we could just as easily say that about any telescope. In terms of the science each telescope does, it is the only telescope that can do that science. I think it is disingenuous to imply, however loosely, that it is the most powerful telescope around. Technically it is the most "sensitive" telescope, but that word means something very particular in telescope speak. It's like saying that a set of speakers is the best set around because it produces good base sound. If it's good at base but bad at everything else then it isn't the best set around.

 * I agree that Arecibo is the only telescope that can do certain tasks, but that doesn't mean that it is the best telescope around; it merely means that it was designed for a specific task, and other telescopes that *weren't* designed for that task aren't as good at it (obviously;)). This isn't a major problem with the article; it's just a minor quibble. But if this stood out for someone like me (I am an amateur telescope user), I'm sure it would jump out of the page for anyone who knows much about telescopes.Gopher65talk 18:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I agree...if there is a way to word it go for it :-) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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I spoke to Don Campbell and I forwarded the mail along in scoop. If you want to see it please let me know and I will send. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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This needs a catching and unique title...any ideas? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Needs to be shorter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.112.66 (talk) 04:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Added a link to the Arecibo message because I was not myself fully conscious of the fact that the telescope had been used for the purpose of CETI before I looked it up. With regards to title, why not just "Budget cuts threaten to close Arecibo, world's largest radio telescope"? 83.89.0.118 13:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Name confusion
Um, there seems to be a gigantic confusion here regarding the telescope's name. Arecibo is the name of the municipality, not the telescope, and nowhere have I ever heard the telescope called that: not by the people of Puerto Rico, nor by the press (both local and international). Therefore, anyone who is familiar with the island and the municipality would understand by this article's wording that the city is the one that is receiving budget cuts. The Wikipedia article refers to it as "the Arecibo telescope", as do the natives of the island. This needs to be changed immediately. --Boricu æ ddie  21:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Boricuaeddie, normally I'd agree that a slightly less ambiguous title is better, but in this case the title is already really long.

 * Irregardless, I suspect that most people who haven't been to the town of Arecibo don't even knows it exists, unless they happen to have seen a documentary or something. For most people "Arecibo" is synonymous with the telescope (those few who would even recognize the word:P). And even if some of the people reading the title do realize that Arecibo is a place, the fact that the title says "Budget cuts threaten to close Arecibo, world's largest radio telescope," should be enough to dissuade them of the notion that the town is somehow being "closed", which is a strange enough notion that I doubt anyone will think that. Gopher65talk 00:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


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My opinion is the opposite of the one quoted at the end of the article: I believe China is moving steadily (albeit very slowly) towards a less restricted Media, and I reckon unblocking the Chinese Wikipedia might be one part of that. I would not have thought that it would happen so soon to be honest though, so maybe the worries that it will be blocked again later have some grounds.

What surprised me very much when I was in China during the time the Olympic torch relay was going on, was how much coverage was given to what was portrayed as biased coverage to western media - because in covering this there is the obvious recognition that there are different opinions/reporting than e.g. Xinhuas. That's far more open than simply showing the state sanctioned version, and just ignoring the foreign media.

I guess it can be argued to which extent they [central government] might have been forced to do so because of the ever greater mobility of news/information, but I believe that it was a step they wanted to go before loosening access to foreign media; i.e. we better make clear what our citizens are to think of other foreign media/demonize the foreign media, before we let people see and read it more. Otherwise they're going to start believing stuff that we're censoring/spinning here for a reason. (And of course at least some European media groups helped right along by actually doing shoddy and downright erroneous reporting [pictures of Nepalese protesters being subtitled as Tibetans anyone?]).

Oh, and perhaps to make it clear: I certainly do not endorse the rationale and actions of the Chinese central government; however I do think that the overall development is, or at least has a good chance of being more positive than it is portayed by some. That's why I felt like writing my thoughts on the topic here.

Regards Sean Heron (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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English language wikipedia opened while I was in China. Despite the opening, some articles remained blocked. Searching for "the three Ts", Tiananmen Taiwan and Tibet, would all give 404 errors and you wouldn't be able to access any of wikipedia for a few minutes. I wonder what articles are still blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.11.16 (talk) 00:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Holy shit, that guy's opinion on the article is longer than the fucking article.

tl;dr cliff notes plz

I had a conversation with someone from Shanghai no more than 3 days ago. I send them a link to a certain Wikipedia article, and it was accessible from Shanghai. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.214.143 (talk) 06:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


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Íngrid Betancourt returns to France

July 4, 2008

Freed hostage Íngrid Betancourt arrived in France today, two days after being rescued from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), who had kept her captive in the Colombian jungle for more than six years.

Standing alongside President Nicolas Sarkozy at a military air base southwest of Paris, Betancourt said, "I cry with joy." The Colombian-French politician was greeted at the air base by the President and the First Lady, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, along with some supporters.

"I have been dreaming for seven years of this moment. I owe everything to you," she said, thanking France for pressuring Colombia to "think of other than military options". She added, "France is my home and you are my family." Sarkozy said her safe return shows people in difficult situations that "there is hope, light at the end of the tunnel."

After the welcome at the air base, which was broadcast live on national television, Betancourt went to the Élysée Palace, the President's official residence. Again accompanied by Sarkozy, she recounted her experiences as a hostage in the Colombian jungle, describing the lack of sunlight and hostile conditions.

"It's a completely hostile environment with dangerous animals," Betancourt said. "The most dangerous, of course, is man. Those men who were behind me with huge rifles, pushing me, telling me to walk, telling me to walk more quickly. And in this world of hostility where everything is an enemy, dangerous, against you, there is God. And above all, there was you."

She called on Sarkozy to continue working toward freeing the hostages who were left behind. "We cannot leave them there where they are suffering, where they are alone," she stated, saying that some of them are contemplating suicide. In response, Sarkozy said, "We will carry on working to free them."

Betancourt was one of the 15 hostages rescued on July 2 by the Colombian army, who tricked FARC into handing over the hostages by pretending to be part of a non-governmental organization. She was kidnapped in February 2002 while campaigning for President of Colombia.

At a press conference, her third public event in the hours since returning to France, Betancourt condemned the actions of FARC. "I think the whole world is aware of the fact that FARC inflicts suffering on human beings", she said, calling on the guerrilla organization to "accept defeat gracefully" and "stop being terrorists." She called on the international community to help end the "terrible trend of kidnapping in Colombia".

Betancourt also rejected the idea that the rescue operation was staged to cover up ransom payments to FARC. "I think what I saw was certainly not a staged event," she said. "There was a degree of tension."

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Hot dog eating champion retains title after tiebreaker

July 4, 2008 For the second year in a row, American competitive eater Joey Chestnut defeated his Japanese rival Takeru Kobayashi at the annual Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest in New York City, after a tie forced a five hot dog eat-off to be held.

After ten minutes of hot dog eating, two shorter than in previous years, Chestnut and Kobayashi were tied at 59 frankfurters. But after the rare tiebreaker, 24-year-old Chestnut emerged as the winner, claiming a $10,000 prize and a mustard-yellow belt. "It was crazy," he said. "I'm just a normal guy eating hot dogs on the Fourth. You can't overcomplicate it."

Kobayashi, whose loss last year shattered a six-year winning streak, said that a sore jaw and a tooth problem may have altered his performance. "If I put one more mouthful in, I could've won", the 30-year-old Nagano native said through a translator. "I lost because I wasn't quick enough in the rematch."

This year, the 22 competitors were under a 10 minute time limit, unlike the 12 minutes used for previous contests. The reason for this, according to Nathan's, was the discovery of a document from 1916, which revealed that the original competition was 10 minutes long.

Thousands gathered at Coney Island to watch the annual event, which has become one of the more colorful traditions of America's Independence Day.


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UK court rules Pringles are potato-light

July 5, 2008

A British High Court judge has ruled that Pringles are not a potato snack and therefore not subject to a 17.5% tax.

The judge, Justice Nicholas Warren, overruled a Value Added Tax (VAT) Tribunal decision that imposed the 17.5% tax which is also applied on other potato products.

Pringles' owner Procter & Gamble had claimed at a ruling in May that Pringles do not feel, look, or taste like a crisp. Justice Warren ruled that since Pringles are only 42% potato, it is exempt from VAT.


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Train cars derail into the Thompson River, British Colombia, chemicals spilled

July 5, 2008 Chemicals in the Thompson River were said to be found after four Canadian Pacific Railway (CP Rail) cars containing chemicals derailed near Lytton, British Columbia, Canada on Tuesday night.

The derailment occurred just northeast of Lytton when a landslide hit in the middle of a freight train with about 100 cars at around 7:00 pm PDT (02:00 UTC) Tuesday evening. One car remained on the tracks, another was on a river bank, and two were submerged in the Thompson, one of them fully submerged and the other partially submerged. CP states that the cars were carrying the chemical ethylene glycol, commonly found in products such as antifreeze and windshield washer fluid. Glycol is water soluble and biodegradable but is causing concern to local fisheries and people dependent on aquatic life survival. Even though there is not enough chemical to be toxic after dilution in the water, there is still expressed concern that it may cause additional stress to aquatic life.

Despite protective measures, like a protective double hull, investigations found that broken valves and holes are causing the chemical to leak into the river. CP Rail originally denied that any chemical was leaking, but is now driving efforts to plug the leaks.

The Thompson River is a tributary of the larger Fraser River. The area is sensitive to harm because migrating salmon pass through and are in already in dwindling numbers in recent years.


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 * This is a recipe for disaster. They ought to stop putting kilometre-long trains through the Rockies. There are many, many such accidents; the ones that cause serious environmental damage are, sadly, the only ones reported. Maxim (talk)  02:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree, but with financial problems facing many companies, and the cost of fuel skyrocketing, they often try to do more at once to cut costs. Omnicloud (talk) 15:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Former US Senator Jesse Helms dead at 86

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"Viewed by some as racist and homophobic"? Please. He was an evil, bigoted man. See below:

- On threatening the life of a sitting president: "Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He'd better have a bodyguard."

- On gays and AIDS: “It's their deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct that is responsible for the disease”

- On equality: "I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners, or niggers."

- On education: "Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."

- On civil rights: "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."

- On journalists: "The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."

- On the Duke University students upset by Martin Luther King's assassination: "They should ask their parents if it would be all right for their son or daughter to marry a Negro."

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vascular dementia
A particularly horrible disease. I would not wish it upon my worst enemy. BRS (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


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Comments:Hot dog eating champion retains title after tiebreaker

What has the world come to?

who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.101.126 (talk) 16:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

What does this say about the U.S.?
Millions of people live on a cup or two of rice a day, and someone wins $10,000 for eating dozens and dozens of hotdogs? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

 * America, fuck yeah! If people don't want to live off of 2 cups of rice per day, then why do they live in a poor nation ruled by an oppressive government? GTFO!
 * Well, gee! Perhaps if all they can afford is 2 cups of rice a day then a plane ticket is out of the question. In India alone there are millions in this situation, and this is the biggest democracy in the world. No "oppressive government" there. If you can't see what is wrong with glorifying the consumption of excessive amounts of food, then there is no hope for you. Come the revolution you should be one of the first against the wall. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They could of course sell their rice fields to the EU who will use it to make their excellent biofuels. Sure, they will starve and die in agonising pain, but at least the Eurocrats can feel secure about fuelling their limousines without using up all our non-renewable fossil fuels! Harris Morgan (talk) 22:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC).
 * P.S. Not shooting you down for living in Belgium, Brianmc, just having a little rant about the EU! Harris Morgan (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC).
 * There are plenty of regions of India that see the central government as oppressive. Also, following Brianmc's train of thought: What does Karni Mata say about India? Here people give perfectly good food to rats. What does La Tomatina say about Spain? Here, one-hundred metric tons of tomatoes are wasted just for fun. The truth is they say nothing about the countries nor their residents, and I resent Brianmc's insinuation. --SVTCobra 00:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


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South African president wrongly announces death of Zambian counterpart

July 5, 2008

South African president Thabo Mbeki has been asked for an explanation from Zambia after announcing wrongly that the nation's leader Levy Mwanawasa had died. Mbeki asked for a minute's silence for Mwanawasa during a ceremony in honour of those killed during recent violence against foreigners in South Africa.

Mwanawasa was flown into Paris, France on Sunday for emergency treatment after he suffered a stroke in Egypt before an African Union summit. On Wednesday, the night he was supposed to have died, he in fact had a "satisfactory night" according to Rupiah Banda, Zambia's vice president.

Mbeki said he had been informed of the death by the Southern African Development Community's executive secretary. He has since telephoned Zambia's high commissioner to South Africa, Leslie Mbula, to apologise personally.

Zambian Minister for Foreign Affairs Kabinga Pande has sent a letter to the South African government requesting a full explanation for the misunderstanding.


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Death toll in Arizona helicopter collision at seven as only survivor dies

July 5, 2008 The death toll in a collision between two helicopters in Arizona, United States has been finalised at seven after the only survivor died. James Taylor was an emergency nurse present on one of the helicopters, which were both Bell 407s performing patient transfers to nearby Flagstaff Medical Center. The other six, including two patients, died at the scene.

Taylor, 36, worked at Salt Lake's St. Mark's Hospital, and also part-time with Life Flight, who operated the helicopter he was on board at the time. He had only recently started working at St. Mark's after 17 years at the Intermountain Medical Center, and was also a veteran of Desert Storm as a member of the Utah Army Reserve.

His sister said of him "He loved serving others ... and especially being paged for lifeflight duty. He gave his life trying to save another ... he truly was a hero." As well as an extended family mostly residing in Utah Taylor is survived by his wife and three young sons.

Zion's Bank have established the James Taylor Memorial Fund to help the family he left behind.

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Man rips off Hitler waxwork's head in Berlin

July 6, 2008

A man ripped off the head of a wax model of Adolf Hitler during the opening ceremony of a museum in Berlin, Germany.

An unknown 41-year old German, reported to be the second one in line at the opening of the Madame Tussauds museum in Berlin, pushed aside 2 officers then went to the exhibit depicting Hitler. He then yelled "No more war!" and ripped the wax head off only a few minutes after the museum opened.

Police arrested the man, charging him for assault and damaging property, said spokesman Uwe Kozelnik. The accused is currently in custody.

In the weeks preceding the opening, critics argued that it was inappropriate to show Hitler with other famous figures, while others say that Hitler's role in German history justifies his placement within the exhibition.


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I'm not exactly where I stand on this. I mean, on one hand, the tax is an infringement on personal rights... but if the law does stand as it does, how the hell are Pringles NOT a potato snack? What?! w:User:Poe Joe 20:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's because a 'potato snack' (as opposed to food with a little bit of potato in it) has to be by definition, at least 50% potato. Pringles are not; therefore they are not. What I'm interested to know is if the product will fall in price because of this or if they'll simply turn what would have been money for public spending in to extra profit. Shane.Bell (talk) 12:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Or expand. Fephisto (talk) 02:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

i'm more curious to know what the remaining 52% is... - Imind (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (grabs a can of pringles) If my taste buds are correct.....salt.  Fephisto (talk) 02:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


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Iran says its nuclear program is unchanged

July 5, 2008

Iran said today that the policies regarding its nuclear program have not changed, despite a proposal made by world powers last month that the country suspend uranium enrichment in exchange for economic and political incentives.

Government spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham delivered the remarks. "Iran's stand regarding its peaceful nuclear program has not changed. Iran insists on negotiations while respecting its rights and avoiding any loss of international rights," Elham said. He indicated that Iran "will continue with the path determined by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei."

His statement came a day after Iran officially responded to the incentives package, which was offered by the foreign ministers of the United States, the United Kingdom, China, Russia, France, and Germany, as well as European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana. They had called for formal negotiations to be held "as soon as Iran's enrichment-related and reprocessing activities are suspended."

The proposal also included a preliminary negotiations phase, in which the world powers would not pursue any further sanctions against Iran if the nation does not manufacture or install uranium-enriching centrifuges for six weeks.

Iran's response, a letter written by Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, has not been made public. However, officials involved in the diplomacy have discussed some of its contents. They say the letter failed to address their proposal, and that it criticized the way diplomacy has been conducted, including the sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council. "The time for negotiating from the condescending position of inequality has come to an end," the letter said, according to the anonymous officials.

Nevertheless, the letter says Iran is willing to begin negotiating with Javier Solana and the other countries who made the offer. Solana is also willing to negotiate, according to his spokesman, Cristina Gallach. She said Iranian security chief Saeed Jalili had requested a meeting in a telephone call. "One of the things to decide is to meet Jalili, and if so when," Gallach said.


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London police launch new anti-gang taskforce

July 5, 2008

London's Metropolitan Police Service (the Met) have launched a new 75-man taskforce to combat the rising tide of gang-related knife crime. This comes after the Met's Deputy Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson claimed yesterday that knife crime has replaced terrorism as the force's "number one priority".

Over the last six months the city has seen 18 knife attacks - nearly as many as were committed throughout the whole of 2007. On Thursday 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend was the victim of one of such crimes, being stabbed near his home in Thornton Heath in the south of the city. This is allegedly what persuaded the Met to create the taskforce, which aims to prevent these attacks by patrolling the streets of London's toughest areas.

Kit Malthouse, deputy for policing to London mayor Boris Johnson, has welcomed the move, stating that "I'm extremely pleased the Met are ramping up their already significant efforts on Operation Blunt 2." Cindy Butts, deputy chairwoman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, added: "It would be wholly wrong if the Met had not responded to the further dreadful murders that have happened this week."

The taskforce is to be composed of specialists, members of the Territorial Support Group, traffic officers and dog handlers who seek to target known gangsters and their contacts, as well as conducting random searches. Stop and search powers have already been enacted in Operation Blunt 2, using Section 60 of the Public Order Act. There have so far been 26,777 of such searches, yielding over 1,200 arrests and 528 knife confiscations.

Sir Paul appealed yesterday for help from London's communities. "Sadly, in recent days, more young people have lost their lives to knife crime. This is not tolerable and clearly the message is not getting through," he said, adding that "we all have to work together to get the message across that carrying knives has got to stop... we need to broadcast the message quite simply: if you carry a knife, you are likely to be caught, you will be charged and you will be likely to go to prison."


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Buffalo, New York man shot in head, run over by shooter's car

Police are investigating a shooting on Buffalo's East Side late Saturday night which left one person in critical condition at a local hospital.

According to Buffalo police communications, at approximately 11:00 p.m. EDT a young male in his late teens was shot at least once in the head near 118 East Utica Street. Police say that witness reports indicate that the shooter then ran over the victim with a car and sped off Westbound on E. Utica.

Currently police are searching for a "small white car." No other details on the suspect or his vehicle were given.

The victim was taken to Erie County Medical Center where he is undergoing treatment. The extent of his injuries has not yet been released, but he is listed in stable condition.


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Heard this on scanner frequency: 460.350, Buffalo PD, Edward (E) District. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice, where DO you get a police scanner? Ilikepie2221 (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you live in the UK, you can't, its illegal.Anonymous101 (talk) 15:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Scanners are legal in the US...so lucky me :) I just e-mailed the PD...offices are not open today...we'll see if I get anything. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Man rips off Hitler waxwork's head in Berlin

Possible copyvio
Part of this appears to be copy-pasted from the AP article:
 * "... say that Hitler's role in German history.[sic]" verusus "Defenders of the exhibit say Hitler's role in German history is too important to be ignored." from AP. Insertion of one word and deletion of a portion of a sentence != paraphrasing. --Thinboy00's Global Sock 07:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's copyvio. At least that's my opinion. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 07:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Berlin, Germany
Oh come on. Is that really necessary? It's not like Germany's a US state and cities have to be listed by country. Surely our readers know where "Berlin" is?! Harris Morgan (talk) 09:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC).
 * I tend to agree with this. I'm sure there's probably more than one Berlin in the world (American settlers were unimaginative in naming towns and cities in their country). However, if you've also got "Hitler" in the title it is a no-brainer which Berlin you mean. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes; I would be sympathetic if there were real ambiguity (e.g. Halifax which could mean either the British city or the Canadian one). Thanks to User:Mike Halterman for moving the page. Harris Morgan (talk) 13:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC).


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Comments:Man rips off Hitler waxwork's head in Berlin

Well,about 64 years too late. but finally an assassination attempt succeeded! --+Deprifry+ 10:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ROTFLMAO! Best joke I've heard all week. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hitler's head ripped off
If we are to avoid repeating some events of the past, it is essential that we be kept fully aware of those events, as well as of the people involved in them. The horror of the Hitler Nazi regime must be constantly renewed and kept before the upcoming generations all over the world. Hitler was a prime example of the adage, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." It is meet and fit that his likeness be displayed in the wax museum, as well as other venues, as a means of educating the present and future ages of his evil. Gzornzki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.21.137 (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Man rips off Hitler waxwork's head in Berlin
Hitler deserved what fucking happened to the waxork of him! at least 3 generations of family's were destroyed by his fucking schemes, he started world war two and after that britain lost all it's money and then lost the british empire, the only good news is that in 1945 hitler shot himself, the only bad news:it's a pity he didn't do it 6 years earlier!