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Things to discuss
--Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 21:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Availability issues
 * Pairing up photographers / reporters? Ad hoc style?
 * Speed of turnaround (getting there, photos, getting them back, article)
 * Cost of travels / equipment
 * How to get notification of events

Thought
Would it not be better to organise this on meta? See m:Talk:Scheduled attendance for Wikinews or Commons. We have the scheduled attendence thing there, it seems very similar.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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New Zealand political party destroys leaked emails

November 21, 2006

Leader of New Zealand political party, New Zealand First and foreign minister, Winston Peters has claimed that he was in possession of the emails stolen from the head of the New Zealand National party, Doctor Don Brash. He now claims that his office has destroyed the emails due to mounting legal issues, including an injunction which prohibits the publication of the emails. This happened while Mr. Peters was away.

Dr. Brash said: "Mr. Peters has today admitted being in possession of stolen emails, but now claims that staff destroyed the emails when they found out a police inquiry was underway. And now Mr. Peters is asking the public to accept that he played no part in the decision to destroy this evidence. I find that hard to believe."

However Mr. Peters is claiming the he nor his party has anything to do with stealing the emails, Mr. Peters said: "...I understand the leaker has distributed the emails quite widely, and I can't be held responsible for anyone else's actions. What I can say is that when the police first became involved, a staff decision was made in my absence to destroy any emails we had."

Dr. Brash said: "This shows a serious lack of respect for the legal process by the office of one of our most senior law makers."

Mr. Peters said: "It is time National came clean. The public wants to know what the fuss is all about. If the emails are just about National Party organisation, then no-one will be interested, and New Zealand First has always been clear it would never use the personal stuff."

"[Mr. Peters is] saying that his staff didn't bother to consult him before destroying material that their leader had bragged about over a number of months. That is just incredible and Mr. Peters needs to come clean," Dr. Brash said.

The police investigation over who hacked into Dr. Brash's computer and stole his personal emails is still continuing. The court should be given the possession of any emails.

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I used the press releases list on the article page for the quotes and I used past knowledge that I had gained from watching the television news. --Nzgabriel | Talk 01:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Could you pls change the title to something more explanatory? "NZ First" and "Brash" arent really relevant from an international perspective. Towsonu2003 05:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The current one better? --Nzgabriel | Talk 08:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, much much better. thanks Towsonu2003 08:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


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Canadian liberals unhappy with PM's performance at APEC summit

November 21, 2006

The Leader of the opposition, Bill Graham, criticized Stephen Harper's performance at the four day APEC summit in the House of Commons yesterday. He says that the PM called his meeting with the Chinese President "a historic event."

Graham says that it was hardly "a historic event" and his performance was "a big fat zero."

Harper returned to Ottawa from the four day trip to Vietnam yesterday and was away from question period when the comment was made.

"It's always very pleasurable to stand up and give speeches defending Canadian principles. But the test of the speeches is whether they deliver the results," said Liberal leadership candidate Michael Ignatieff. "The test of whether Mr. Harper's approach in this 15 minute meeting will be whether this guy is released or not," said Michael Ignatieff, referring to the case of Huseyincan Celil.

Harper raised the case of Huseyincan Celil, a Chinese-Canadian stuck in a China prison for allegedly having links to Muslim separatist extremist groups.

Jason Kenney, parliamentary secretary to the prime minister, defended Harper and said he was proud of Harper's actions and they protected Canadian values.


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Speaker Pelosi won't support U.S. draft bill

November 21, 2006

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday the House Democratic Party leadership would not support the announced plan of Representative Charles Rangel to put forth a bill with the aim to reinstate the draft. There has been no draft since 1973 after the Vietnam War when the U.S. armed forces changed to an all volunteer army. The U.S. currently requires registration of all males between the ages of 18 and 26 for the purposes of a possible national emergency, but there is currently no active draft.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rep. Rangel said Sunday.

Representative Rangel (D-NY), a Korean War veteran, has brought bills to reinstate the draft to the floor of the House several times. None of these bills successfully moved through the congressional process. In 2003 Rangel put forth legislation to draft men and women between the ages of 18 to 26. Earlier this year he proposed legislation to commence draft military service for men and women between the ages of 18 to 42.

Democrats interviewed in various outlets Sunday expressed no support for the draft plan. Pelosi noted, however, that Rangel remains "a strong voice for social justice in our country" and his support of the draft is done to make a valid point.


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Book written based on leaked political emails, NZ

November 21, 2006

A book has been written based around leaked political emails sourcing from leader of the New Zealand National party, Doctor Don Brash. The book has been titled The Hollow Men: A Study in the Politics of Deception and it's by author, Nicky Hager, an activist for left-wing causes.

The release of the book was supposed to be today, however the release of the book has been prohibited by the High Court because of an injunction, issued last week, banning the publication of the leaked emails. The injunction applies to anyone as the plantiifs are in the names of "Jane Doe and John Doe".

The topics in the book cover a lot ranging from policies and matters to do with the party. The book also includes Dr Brash's relationship with the exclusive brethren. The books also shows that people within the party, who had denied links with the exclusive brethern, had in fact had links with them. Those people include Dr Brash, John Key the spokesman for finance and Stephen Joyce the campaign manager. The contents page has been revealed, it showed that the book includes political strategies behind the Orewa speech, the input into Nationals campaign from neo-conservatives in America, industry lobby group influences, doners to National and also the election spending strategy that was thought up by Australian advisers. He also said it looked at a range of possible breaches of election finance laws and parliamentary spending rules.

Mr Hager confirmed that the book doesn't just use emails but also interviews with people inside the National Party who are unhappy.

Mr Hager said that the book uses emails from Dr Brash that are non-personal and the book does not include anything about Dr Brash's private life. He said that well-placed sources from within National had provided him with the emails. Mr Hager said: "[The emails did not come] from hacking into the parliamentary server or gaining access to Don Brash's computer system or something like that".

In response to the book National has begun to attack Mr Hager's credibility. Gerry Brownlee, deputy leader, has labbled Mr Hager as a well known intriguist. "Helen Clark roundly ditched him over his Corngate allegations a few years ago and it would be interesting to know what she would make of his latest claims."

Dr Brash said that it is not expected that their communications with the public would be made public.

The New Zealand Labour party is claiming that this book will be the "death knell" for National. Michael Cullen, deputy prime minister (PM), said: "The claims about Brash's and John Key's dealings with the Exclusive Brethren are very damaging. The trouble for the National Party is the book may knock out both of them in one go and the party will have to look beyond Key as leader."

Current affairs show which is broadcast on TV3, Campbell Live, has filed legal precedings in the high court to allow the publication of the book. Carol Hirshfeld, producer, said: "[Our] lawyers are arguing the court didn't take sufficient account of the public interest and that constitutes an unreasonable restriction on freedom of expression. Another key point in the application is that Brash knew for some time that the emails were in the public domain, but delayed acting until now." On today's show host of Campbell Live, John Campbell, said that he and some of his bosses had read the book.

The injunction stops the publish and broadcast, which includes the internet, of the emails. It is also prohibited to reveal what the emails contain or giving the emails to another person except the High Court where they are supposed to be given.


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Blue Mountains fires burn out of control

November 21, 2006 Two large fires in the New South Wales Blue Mountains, West of Sydney are burning out of control in difficult fire fighting conditions.

The first, a 8,000 hectare blaze near Blackheath, which has been burning for nine days broke containment lines at 11 PM AEDT on Monday. Fire crews had been attempting to contain the fire before the onset of difficult conditions today.

Commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service said fire fighters had made a brave effort to contain the fire. When the fire jumped containment lines, around 95 percent of the fire had been contained.

"They've worked extremely hard now for six days but probably their most herculean effort was last night," My Koperberg said.

"They were down on the Grose River working in atrocious conditions as a last-ditch stand ... and they nearly got there.

"They had several metres still to go when it became too hot and we had to evacuate them because it would have endangered them."

A second fire has begun burning on a 5 km (3 mile) front, along the Putty Road near Wiseman's Ferry. It is thought that the fire could affect the village of St Albans.

With temperatures in the high 30 degree Celsius range and winds around 50 km/h (31 Mph), fire fighters are bracing for the worst in the Blue Mountains over the next few days. It is feared forecasted wind gusts of up to 80 km/h (49 Mph) overnight could fan the first fire into the township of Winmalee as it heads East.


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Oh god, did Campbell read the book? I hope Brash wins, and Campbell gets gaoled on contempt of court or etc Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 08:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the definition of an injunction you are not allowed to supply the emails to anyone - the author supplied it to TV3. But I hope, unlike you, that TV3 (Canwest) is able to retract the injunction. --Nzgabriel | Talk 09:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the e-mails used in the book are probably a very small sub-set of the ones ilegally obtained from Dr Brash's computer system. Only one person knows how many were copied, but it could be thousands. And while it is unfortunate he injunction may be seen as trying to block this book, it was justified to bring an end to the constant threats from Winston and Helen to reveal bits and pieces at their discretion over the next couple of years. You can't allow that to stay hanging over you. I would even advocate having them all published now is preferable to the uncertainty of leaving Winston free to release them on his timetable. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks, I'll use that Andrew Watcher 15:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sex industry article
Thanks for writing this article. However, I'd ask you always include the basic "who, what, where, when, and why" in your articles. You forgot to mention in the above article that the event took place in Las Vegas, a key fact. Thanks. -- Zanimum 15:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I missed that. Andrew Watcher 09:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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and hey I like stories you post, seemed like you were reaching a little. You know what that crossing over is, and I couldn't presume to tell you. -Edbrown05 09:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would presume to tell you, that's how much a loud mouth I am (other adjectives apply). -Edbrown05 10:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections
Hi, I've striked your votes on ArbCom elections since you have less than 200 edits on this project (see Special:Contributions/Andrew Watcher), which is a minimum requirement to vote in this election. Sorry about that! --Thunderhead - (talk) 11:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Dell article
please note that I have done, for stories of your caliber, a lot of editting on this article. There isn't much there on that story, and I did comment on the talk page. It needs more. -Edbrown05 12:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also note that I find it impossible to accomplish anything with a 2-and-a-half year old crawling all over me. Sorry. -Edbrown05 02:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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Lebanese Christian leader assassinated

November 22, 2006

Yesterday, Pierre Gemayel was shot in his car and was declared dead at the hospital. He was the Lebanese industry minister.

Today, his corpse was driven into his native town of Bikfaya followed by thousand of people mourning him. He is the fifth personality assassinated in Lebanon in one year and the fifth of the Gemayel's family according to his father, former president Amin Gemayel.

One week ago, Samir Geagea, the commander in chief of the Lebanese Forces, announced rumor of assassination of one minister.

The funeral of Pierre Gemayel will be held tomorrow in the cathedral of Beirut.

According to the White House National Security Council spokesman, President Bush, having expressed his condolences to Lebanon’s Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, affirmed "the unwavering commitment of the United States to help build Lebanese democracy, and to support Lebanese independence from the encroachments of Iran and Syria."

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Where is our value? Where to Wikinews?
I'd like to see about starting a dialog, if I could. This is not meant to be a flame war in any form. These are honest questions and observations and I'd like to hear the opinions of folks who have been here and involved with this project far more than I have. Please remember that I really am on our side here. I've been having a ball and everyone has been wonderfully friendly.

A couple of days ago one of my friends brought to me concern with my activities with Wikinews thinking that what the site seemed to do was at best unfair, at worst nearly the whole site was a copyright violation. After discussions here (thanks Doldrums!) I came to the conclusion that we're quite safe on the copyright issues. That being said, I'm having more difficulty dealing with his fairness and value questions.

He originally thought that we were simply rewriting articles which would be at best unfair. I defended us saying that the articles written, best practice, come from many sources. Further, I said the value of this approach is like the value for most "open source" projects - many eyes can make deep products. By writing compilation articles the value of Wikinews is that we can bring into one article details from many.

But does that work in practice? The vast majority of articles that I've seen here, including those with the "publish" tag, including mine, end up shorter and perhaps at least as shallow as their source articles. We are writing new articles, yes, but are those articles really saying anything new? What value are we adding to the news that CNN, API, or Reuters isn't? If we aren't adding value in some way than can we be accused of taking away their audience by using the fruit of their labors? And while that might be legal by the application of copyright law, is it fair?

I've been doing a bit of research (Hey! Maybe the makings of a story!) about the Citizen Journalist movement since I started on Wikinews. The definition given this movement seems very broad. Sites such as Slashdot are included at one end of the scale, while at the other end seems to sit IndyMedia and OhMyNews.

Slashdot seems to be a compilation of links with commentary. Less stories than postings by individual contributers saying, "CNN has reported this," with "this" being the link to the CNN (or whatever) story. So, while I can consider Slashdot a news site, I'd consider their folks "posters" rather than "reporters."

At the other end of the scale seems to sit IndyMedia with its network of individual IndyMedia Centers. These folks seem to be nearly all original reporting, however I nearly want to put the word "reporting" in quotes. IndyMedia was the first indication I had of the Citizen Journalism movement even before I knew what to call it. My boyfriend was active in it some years ago and knew and worked with the IM reporter who was killed in Mexico last month. However, interestingly enough, even while I stand proudly on the US Liberal Left, IndyMedia's articles seem so left that I seem like a Conservative in comparison. IM has made me very much appreciate Wikinews's NPOV goal.

Another site of interest is OhMyNews, a Korean-based citizen journalism site with an English language offshoot. Here many of the stories seem to be original reporting, but their sources are not exactly indicated.

I think, perhaps, we all see the value of original reporting, and I have very much liked what I have seen with regard to that in Wikinews, especially if it can be documented. Slashdot's value seems to be pointing avery specific community (TechnoGeeks) to the type of news they want. Beyond making the news known via a link and perhaps offering a comment, that's all they do.

Where does Wikinews sit in all of this? Where is our value? What are we practically doing on a day-to-day basis as opposed to what our stated goals are?

These are the thoughts and questions of a n00b! I look very forward to some insights from Wikinews veterans and n00bs alike! -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 18:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikinews is a collaboratively produced free-content news source, with an explicit NPOV goal. the value of wikinews reports is in
 * the explicit NPOV goal and open-editing model (anyone can contribute, and what they say carries weight, no one "owns" articles and acts as gatekeeper on it) means that we're trying out a unique and hopefully good approach to producing neutral reports.
 * its aim to produce full reports, not blog-like posts, covering the full spectrum of general news. plus, its free licensing means that Wikinews can become a wire service for alternative and local media. as someone who's doing local radio, richard, u can give us some idea of how well we fit the bill, and what we shld do better.
 * the collaborative process means that much more people can actually help write articles - u don't have to know lots about journalism or be able to spare the time and effort to write articles all on ur own, to contribute.

 * the reason we do compilation reports of course, is that until we have enough contributors (and experienced, accredited contributors) to rival a pro news organisation, our OR work won't make for sufficiently wide coverage of events. i agree with u that regardless of copyright concerns, we shld ask ourselves whether our work adds value to what we "take" from the sources, and whether what we do is "fair" to them. the way we can add value when we compile info from multiple, independent sources include -
 * the simple collating of information from several news sources
 * we add information not in the other news sources sources themselves (eg., from WP, press releases, briefing transcripts, publications from other organisations)
 * independent confirmation of events, and cross-checking for accuracy y checking the various sources.
 * getting various points of view together, overcoming individual news sources' biases
 * editorial decisions we take change how we tell the story, eg. how much coverage we give to what aspect, what stories do we give importance to.

 * the key thing, of course, is that we do need to do a much better job of meeting these goals :) — Doldrums(talk) 08:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't disagree with you that in a lot of cases our articles end up shorter than their sources, but I'd point out that the exceptions where we gather that critical mass of contributors are something special. Take as an example Major explosions at UK oil depot. That got a wikinewsie into the BBC press room. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks Doldrums! I do have several responses.

 * First, no, I'm not working in local radio. My friend, who I'm having this conversation with, does this part-time. He also is a local publisher.

 * I think what has upset him is that he sees a compilation article, even in our own words, as a theft. As I mentioned, I defended that saying that we create our articles from several sources - and we are rather strict about that, which is great. However, when push comes to shove, newspaper accounts on the web may not constitute as many sources as we think. Indeed, many if not most, may devolve to the AP. In writing the Israeli gay marriage article this morning my initial source was the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. I found another source that was written differently and used that. About two hours later I found an article on CNN but this turned out to be a copy of the Seattle article since both were a retransmission of the AP article. Now the newspapers can do that since they subscribe to the AP for just that purpose.

 * My friend's fear is that if what we're doing is legal and ethical, what is to prevent the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Chicago Tribune, etc. from doing the same thing? And if that happens then the AP will have far less subscribers which will harm its news gathering ability leading to job loss of reporters.

 * Now my friend's view is one opinion. I'll tend to listen to his opinions on this matter because of what he does, but its just one opinion. I'm convinced what we're doing with regard to compilation reports written in our own words is legal by way of copyright law or I'd have to believe that AP and Reuters would have shut us down months ago. From a research point of view, with the sourcing we do, I have to believe we're good with regard to plagerism. With the exception of one journalism professor from Columbia who seems to think that the entire Citizen Journalist movement is a bunch of kids wasting time in a sandbox, I've not been able to find out what the professional journalism community thinks of us beyond the fact that a Wikinewsie spent a week at the BBC last year and that the Toronto Star referenced one of our polls (Original Reporting!).

 * But is what we're doing enough?

 * Brianmc is right. When we do things well, we're spectacular. But day-to-day - and I'm as guilty of this as anyone else! - what we seem to be doing from a practical standpoint is stripping off the copyright protection from AP articles. I know that's not what we're supposed to be doing and I know that's not what we want to be doing, but most of the time, day-to-day, when all the cards are on the table, isn't that what we end up doing? I think I did a reasonable job, in comparison with other articles (please feel free to disagree!!), on the Israel gay marriage article, but when you get right down to it, does it say anything substancially different than its sources? Or is it just a legal rewrite?

 * You mention various ways we can add value to an article, and they're great. My problem is that I don't see them usually being done. The sources that are used may, in the end, devolve into a single source - AP or Reuters. Writing a story with reference to original sources is great, but I don't see it being done often. How many of us are going to call the Israeli Supreme Court to check their gay marriage ruling? How many of us can read the Hebrew to do so? :-) Being able to actually follow up sources may mean being somewhat local to the story, such as the wonderful writing being done by Jason in Buffalo. And this adds up to Original Reporting, which is why my heart leaps every time I see it.

 * Maybe in the end what I'm finally coming to is this: We've set the bar high, I think, with regard to the "publish" tag - the article must be fully sourced, NPOV, and have multiple sources. We actually have flags for all these things if they are lacking. Do we need to set it higher to make sure from a practical standpoint that we're not just stripping copyright protection off of newswire service articles?

 * Should we make sure, maybe, that each article we publish has some sort of original reporting attached to it? For example, I was thinking of writing an article about the six Imans that were stopped and deplaned on Monday. It'd be an easy article to write, there are, seemingly, multiple online sources to it. But before I wrote it, I sent an email with some questions to one of the Muslim clerics on faculty at Cornell University. The concerns I see with this approach on a regular basis is that by the time Dr. Afzel responds to me the "freshness" of this news item may be gone. And everyone may not want to, or be able to, reach this bar, and if that's the case will Wikinews die from non-participation? -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 19:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * we ain't the only ones stealing stuff off other sources.:^ — Doldrums(talk) 10:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Great conversation. I only came to Wikinews a few days ago.  I see some other interesting opportunities above those Doldrum mentions:
 * translations from other languages (we get to choose what gets translated, at least we do if we have people interested in the stories with ability to translate) --InfantGorilla 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But we need to be able to do substancially different translations since just straight translations are a derivative work (at least in the US) -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 19:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * changing the global balance (recent stories from Switzerland, Canada and NZ that don't make the regular "global" Anglo-Saxon media)
 * I think you are asking the right questions. In the few days I was here, I saw that if you don't add the "publish" tag yourself, it is unlikely anyone else will publish for you.  I wasn't on IRC much, but I wonder how useful the "ready" tag could be to encourage some extra pairs of eyes before you release? --InfantGorilla 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to use it for just that purpose! I'm not sure yet that its helped. -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 19:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * After release, some stories improved greatly as even anons edited them. I can only offer an hour or two to the project, and in that time I concentrated on my own story, but I tried to pitch in and browse a few "in development" pieces.  I found two interesting stories that were in limbo; I used my meagre experience here to clean them up and add the  tag—and no-one complained.
 * I should say that when I asked for help, it was very generously given.--InfantGorilla 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. The community here is way, way up there in friendliness, helpfulness, and acceptance! -Richard 'Doc' Kinne 19:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In other words, I wonder what can be done to
 * encourage collaboration on developing stories, or to
 * guide new article writers, especially the ones inclined towards Original Reporting, into seeking assistance from the smart people here.
 * --InfantGorilla 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought I had seen you (Doc) use ready for that purpose "Doc"—like me you have spotted that it doesn't seem to work the way we first guessed. Category:Ready doesn't seem to be a gripping read for established Wikinewsies.  It seems that the cliche "publish and be damned" fits here.  I am not here long enough to guess if articles would be better if they got a critical work over before publishing, or if it is fine to publish quickly followed by final tweaks from the community.  I would like to understand the dynamic that got an extra 12 hours of community work on the excellent Judging the Courts: Wikinews interviews Prof. Lawrence Douglas after it got its ready tag, but leaves it still in limbo 12 hours after it was last touched.  I intend to leave well alone until I have contributed more. --InfantGorilla 21:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * about this ready business, note that there aren't all that many wikinewsies around (10,000 registered users of whom 12 contributed more than 100 edits last month). so many, if not most of articles to date have one person who does almost all the work on it. occassionally, some event attracts a larger number of interested contributors. so, i think, till we get many more contributors stikcking on, we shld be reconciled to ignored ready flags. if u do need particular assistance with something, u can place a request on the newsroom (sometimes they get ignored too!). hopefully, we'll reach that critical mass of reporters, and each major news events attracts the attention of several reporters who can work together. what i usually do with ready tags is add them, wait for a few hours and then publish if no one has anything to say. this is perfectly appropriate, as wikinews doesn't have a formal review process or editors who typically co-ordinate their work on articles (for one thing, they live on opposite sides of the world).
 * about the interview, it hung around in ready because it was awaiting a response from Prof. Douglas, not because i was awaiting some one else to publish it. — Doldrums(talk) 09:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree that translations are derivative. So, I am thinking more about translations of free content, such as my second story: French postal service is back on the rails.  The copyright French language material, by, is CC-BY-2.5 --InfantGorilla 21:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, no problem to translate, i often translante and adapte from english to french wikinews. As long the source wikinews is cited !
 * About the wheretowikinews : the big difference and wealth of wikinews is : wikinews unique goal is to report news (no more) not to explain news using a specific politicaly (or economicaly) oriented POV as all media done. It's unique and worth the time we pass on Wikinews (fr and en for me) . --Jacques Divol 21:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Some of my thoughts on all this. First off I think its great that this discussion is taking place, and agree with most everything said. One thought I had well reading this is of the ideal (non-exsitant) utopian world, when you mentioned the Israeli gay marriage thing, In the ideal world, there would be mass coridanation with the Wikinewsies who can speak hebrew via WORTNET (Or perhaps through wikinews-l which really is under-utilized) to do original research over there, and brought back here. We really should have better inter-language cooridination. Currently its not that good, the best is with French because of Divol, and theres a little bit of spanish, and polish, but honestly it just barely exists (now, If only I didn't speak only english...).
 * It is true that some articles are extremely well done. These typically involve major disasters (like the Oil thing blowing up in the UK, tsunami, London subway bombs etc. Actually since 9/11 was the even that prompted wikipedia to start in the news (I think) which eventually prompted the development of wikinews, Disasters have been a major part of wikinews for a while. The other side is interviews we're the interviewer is extremely interested in the interviewee (like Doldrums recent interview with Prof. Douglas, or (I think it was) DragonFire's interview with David Anderson for stardust @ home). Bawolff ☺☻ 07:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Where wikinews wins
I'm adding a section in here, because I think we should bring together as many pieces of the wikinews puzzle that we know work and focus on what makes them work and how it can improve the quality of our coverage and the legitimacy of it. As I pointed out on the associated talk page, we do "go global" when there is a major event with significant opportunity for input from citizen journalists. My example was Buncefield, but the 7/11 explosions was equally well covered here. A community formed where there was reinforcement of the belief that small pieces of information were worth getting online thus encouraging phone photos and a host of other bits and pieces to get uploaded. There's a sort of critical mass for an event like this where the regulars can sit on the sidelines and encourage people to take part, the coverage takes on a life of its own and you're left doing minor copyedit work on stuff done by enthusiastic anons and newbies.

Yet, when the event is over we don't retain them. Out of dozens of people who may have contributed to one of our FA candidates perhaps one or two will stick around. The "Wikinews on form" standard is one we simply can't keep to all the time.

For many of those folks who stick around, and others who contribute to have something to discuss, our output may in a lot of cases resemble poor rehashes of AFP/AP/Reuters wire stories. I won't deny that, and I wish there were more sources we could synthesize from. However, relying on news reports on an issue for a prolonged period of time can allow you to have an in-depth article that beats the coverage of your sources. I keep an eye on Thailand, and I'm pleased with this which, whilst relying on related news, brings more to the reader than any one of the cited sources. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

How to write "better" articles
have started this section in the hope of getting something concrete from this discussion, hoping that this ends up as a guide for contributors to help them do better. am not sure how much of my first addition is already covered in existing docs (too lazy to check). feel free to add/modify stuff. — Doldrums(talk) 10:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * the barebones reporting of the news event (i.e. the 3-4 sentences in the article which describes what the headline reports) shld be substantiated by multiple, independent sources (not 16 city newspaper reports based on an AP wire). check for discrepancies in different reports.
 * look for and use "on-location" sources in preference to secondary sources.
 * include a source from a "local" publication (that country, that state, that town...) - there's more to the world than what Reuters and CNN have to say about it.
 * be sparing in use of material that has been exclusively obtained by other news organisations, eg., eyewitness accounts or opinion voiced to the news source. Such material should be attributed in text. Such material should be used only if there is a real need for it, and just enough should be used to fulfill that need. don't reproduce everything that every person interviewed by reuters said.
 * consider attributing reporter as well as publication, if someone risked her neck to get that quote from the middle of a war-zone, lets give her credit for it.
 * get hold of primary sources, press releases, briefing or interview transcripts are often accessible online. try sourcing facts and opinions to government, corporate and activist websites.
 * Take ownership of the next Terrorist Outrage article - Some news events appear to attract lots of new contributors to wikinews - strangely enough, this included many (most? all?) Headline terrorist attacks and other big-time disasters. While this is good (the new contributors, not the disasters) it sometimes turns the articles into hugely bloated and unorganised lumps (eg. that UK flights emergency thing), unless someone takes the job of keeping the article in trim.

What can we do better

 * throwing up some more things. — Doldrums(talk) 10:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

 * revamp policy, guidelines pages
 * write some how-tos
 * guide new users better - more templates?
 * allow updates to articles/use time stamps in addition to dateline?
 * plan for upcoming events, so we can get OR (say interviewing principals, experts) done in time. (many places publish press advisories, i think the BBC compiles upcoming events.)

Collaboration

 * We have the "collaboration request" in the Newsroom, but besides myself I don't think many use it for normal story writing... If everyone had that thing on their talk page/user page or page they visit regularly, and we fill it up with both requests and Ready stories, it might improve collaboration... I know I would prefer if every article I publish was checked because of my horrible spelling and grammar...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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, welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
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Nepal civil war ended by peace deal

November 23, 2006

Nepal's 10-year civil war has come to a peaceful conclusion with the signing of a historic accord between Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala and Prachanda, leader of the Maoist rebel faction that had been fighting for political change. The deal was signed in Kathmandu on Tuesday.

The deal would allow the Maoists into the Nepalese government, and place both Maoist and government weapons under UN scrutiny. The Maoists had been observing a ceasefire since its declaration more than six months previously.

Prachanda said that the peace agreement would end the 238-year old feudal system. He added that his party would work with new responsibility and make new strong Nepal.

Meanwhile, Koirala said that the deal ended the politics of terron and violence and started the politics of co-operation. He thanked Prachanda to find out a peaceful solution in the country.

The government and the Maoist rebels were accused of human rights abuses in fighting that killed more than 13,000 people.

Nepalese king Gyanendra Singh has welcomed Tuesday's peace deal between the government and the Maoist rebels.

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Handcuffed Philadelphia man shoots himself

November 22, 2006

On Monday morning, a 26-year-old man named Oliver Neal was stopped in southern Philadelphia by police, who took him into custody after finding four packets of cocaine in his possession.

According to a police statement, Mr. Neal shot himself in the back of the head while handcuffed in the back of a patrol car, and after having been searched for a weapon. Neal was treated at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, with news reports listing his condition as critical or stable.

Neal's family held a press conference on Tuesday. His father said, “He had his problems in the past, but that has no bearing on what occurred.”

Both Internal Affairs and a Philadelphia homicide team are investigating the shooting.


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Iraq, Syria, Iran form friendly relations

November 21, 2006

24 years ago Iraq and Syria severed diplomatic relations because Syria accused Iraq of giving support to the Muslim Brotherhood who were causing disorder in Syria. Now, as an outcome of meetings between Walid Moallem the Syrian Foreign Minister, the Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, relations will be restored.

Both countries are agreed that the borders between them should be sealed more tightly to prevent the flow of fighters, arms and ammunition to Iraq, Syria saying that Iraq should do more to secure the border than it has been doing lately.

The two countries are agreed that US troops are needed in Iraq at present but that they should leave as soon as they are no longer needed. Syria wants a timetable for the progressive withdrawal of US forces.

The steps needed to establish full diplomatic relations and to open embassies in Baghdad and Damascus are set out in an agreement signed today in Baghdad. Zebari proclaimed "We will hoist the Iraqi flag in Syria and the Syrian flag in Iraq”. Meanwhile, President Talabani has agreed to meet Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran on Saturday to discuss security matters.

Although the British Prime Minister has been encouraging more positive relations between Iraq and its neighbors, Syria and Iran, the United States has been critical of both of them. Last week, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she was opposed to including Syria and Iran in talks about security in Iraq. She accused Syria of having aligned itself with "the forces of extremism" and expressed frustration that despite repeated talks with Syria, nothing seems to have influenced their behavior. Regarding Iran, she said she could see nothing in its behavior that suggested it could contribute to stability in the area. She expressed the view that Iraq must take more responsibility for its own security.

Today, the White House welcomed the news of the rapprochement between Syria and Iraq. The spokesman for the US National Security Council saying "We’ve always encouraged Iraq’s neighbors to take a role in supporting and assisting the unity government in Iraq”.

President Bush met the Iraq Study Group, headed by former secretary of state James Baker on Monday. The Democrats in the Group said that, in order to encourage the Iraqi government to face its responsibilities, there should be a phased withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, starting now. The President rejected this suggestion, remarking that this was a military matter and depended upon the situation on the ground.

Recommendations from the bi-partisan study Group are expected to be delivered to the President and Congress sometime in December this year. The group is composed of five Democrats and five Republicans.


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White powder found at Buffalo, N.Y. courthouse

A "white powder" has been discovered at the Michael J. Dillon courthouse at 68 Court Street in downtown Buffalo, New York.

According to Buffalo Fire Chief Don McFeely, "a call was placed to 911 at approximately 1:58 p.m. by a woman working on the third floor" of the courthouse after she opened a "letter which contained a suspicious white powder."

The building was immediately evacuated, which had at least 200 people in it, but it is unknown where the occupants of the building went, as only fire, police, and government officials were observed around the outside of the building. No decontamination site was seen, but according to witnesses, Hazmat officials were seen entering the building with bio-hazard suits.

McFeely also stated that the letter "contained codes," but would not elaborate on what the codes were or what they meant and that a "message was written on the letter which suggested that the powder was harmful."

Preliminary tests performed on the scene determined that the powder was not but the test did not "rule out anything else that maybe harmful," stated McFeely. "The letter has been removed from the building and has been taken to the FBI field office in Buffalo for further tests."

The letter was not addressed to anyone specifically, being addressed to just the courthouse itself.

So far no injuries or illnesses have been reported and according to McFeely, no one has been taken to the hospital, although stretchers were seen entering the building. The fire department was not on high alert but blocked off the area surrounding the courthouse as a "precautionary measure," said McFeely. The area was opened to traffic again at about 5:00 p.m. and the courthouse was open for business today.

The FBI has not released a statement and it is still unknown what the powder is.


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I interviewed the firefighter on scene as the investigation was ongoing. The quotes are exclusive. DragonFire1024 20:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Bien fait! But surely we can get some other sources...?--DCo1 03:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Original stories arn't required to have sources. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  03:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is one source from the Buffalo News: but they did not have an extensive article and did not have any quotes from the fire official. DOn't know why, she was standing next to me with a few other reporters. The local stations here almost never keep a story up on their site for more then 12 hours in most cases. They want you to pay for them after a period. DragonFire1024 18:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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editprotected "According to Buffalo Fire Chief, Don Mcfeely,": This should either be "the Buffalo Fire Chief" or have the commas removed. Heavy Water (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Lots of mistakes in this 2006 article (including that his name appears to be McFeely). But should we edit these protected pages, or keep them in situ for posterity? JJLiu112 (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It is standard and considered consistent with WN:ARCHIVE to fix grammatical and spelling mistakes, wikifying, fixing links, etc., but not serious copyediting or major factual errors, the last of which would be addressed with a correction (or a retraction if especially grave). Heavy Water (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for calling the Audio Wikinews Newsline. I'm Wikinews Contributor Terinjokes. Recording time is 21:30 (UTC) on the 21st of November, 2006.

Blue Mountains fires burn out of control
Two fires are burning west of Sydney, Australia in the Blue Mountains, a bad location for flighting conditions. The largest of the two fires, located near Blackhealth has been burning for 9 days. The 8000 hectarce fire broke containment lines earlier today. Forcasters expect unfavourable conditions for the next few days.

New Zealand town subject to window smashers
The New Zealand town of Otaki, located on the north island has been subject to vandalism, whom smashed around 70 windows at the local primary school. The police are reporting that the town library, memorial hall, law offices, tyre factor, butchery and the citizen's advice bureau were all attacked, with other attacks still possible.

White powder found at Buffalo, N.Y. courthouse
A white powder has been found in the Michael J. Dillon courthouse in downtown Buffalo, New York. The building and its 200 occupents, was immediately evacuated. The white powder, which was delievered in a letter, was found not to be anthrax, however test did not rule out anything else harmful. The letter has been removed for farther tests, and no injuries or illnesses have been reported.

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John Reid: Iraq does radicalise some Muslim youth

November 21, 2006

UK Home Secretary John Reid contradicted the Prime Minister’s opinion that foreign policy and the war in Iraq are not the reason some Muslim youth turn to terrorism.

Reid is reported as saying in an interview with the London Evening Standard "I do believe that foreign policy is sometimes a motivating factor in radicalisation of young Muslims and the potential recruitment to terror…It is better to be frank about it. To say it isn't a cause isn't to say it has nothing to do with the whole process."

Blair has said repeatedly that the idea that the war had been a factor in radicalising youth was "rubbish" and, when speaking to the Commons Liaison Committee said it should be "challenged at every level".


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This short report is significant because Reid is a potential opponent to Brown as candidate leader of the Labour Party and Prime Minister. Open disagreement of this kind would have been unthinkable only a short time ago. To amplify this article would breach NPOV. Fentonrobb 21:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


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Old deeds threaten Buffalo, NY hotel development

Buffalo, New York developers have been stymied by old real estate deeds.

The prospective Elmwood Village Hotel may be scuttled and businesses now located there may be forced to move.

Frustrations over property located in an area once known as "Granger Estates" circulate around a clause in the original deeds over land divided by then-owner Erastus Granger in the early 1800's.

According to the documents, "no business establishment of any kind whatsoever" shall ever be constructed on the property, and they shall forever be exclusively for residential use only. Also prohibited are barns, farms and stables.

Sam Savarino, CEO of Savarino Companies, the prospective hotel developer, announced that his legal research team found the restrictions on properties located between 1109 and 1121 Elmwood Avenue which also stated in part that "no businesses, hospitality establishment of anykind whatsoever" shall ever be permitted to be built on the property.

Savarino, whom is expected to contest the restrictions, said that his company could have ignored the findings, but that, "we can't risk the future of a multimillion-dollar project on the hope they wouldn't be discovered. Our opponents would have had a field day if they'd surfaced after the fact."

Savarino said his attorneys and researchers are anticipated to determine "exactly what weight the restrictions carry and if there's a way for the courts to negate them."

Existing businesses are also jeopardized.

Hans Mobius, owner of some of the restricted properties upon which a carriage house is built, said, he wasn't aware of any restrictions, and "never had a reason to research the deed and title documents." He confidently added that, "the lawyers can get this taken care of."

Other threatened businesses include Don Apparel, H.O.D. Tattoo, Forest Plaza Art Gallery and Allentown Music.


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I am awaiting responses from Savarino and a Lawyer who is part of the case against the hotel for statements. The original reporting is research performed on Deeds from 611 Forest ave and 50 Granger. The documents are at the Erie Cunty Clerks Office, in the basement. DragonFire1024 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Alabama School Bus Crash kills 4

November 21, 2006

Tragedy struck Huntsville, Alabama Monday morning when a school bus transporting Lee High School students to a local trade school careened over a retaining wall on an elevated part of Interstate 565 at the U.S. highway 231 exit and plummeted 30 feet.

Killed in the initial crash were Nicole Ford, 19, Christine Collier, 16. Tanesha Hill, 17, died later at Huntsville Hospital. A fourth victim, Crystal Renee McCrary, 17, died Tuesday. Anthony Scott, the bus driver, and 14 students remain hospitalized, according to Huntsville Hospital spokeswoman Pam Sparks.

Huntsville Police spokesman Wendell Johnson said a 1990 Toyota Celica apparently hit the Laidlaw Education Services-contracted school bus. The bus driver apparently attempted evasive action, and a reaction sent the right tire climbing up the protective barrier. The buses momentum caused it to teeter on the wall briefly, flipped upside down, careening headlong onto the ground below. It was unclear if the driver jumped or was ejected, though National Transportation Safety Board spokeswoman Debbie Hersman said the bus driver was found on the overpass, and that, "We are trying to determine why the bus driver was on the overpass."

Investigating agencies at federal, state and local levels include the NTSB, Alabama State Department of Transportation, Alabama Department of Public Safety, and Huntsville Police Department.

Thad Sokolowski, a 17-year-old Lee High School eyewitness said, "The orange car was going to pass the bus. He thought something was wrong with the car, like his tire got blown out because it started fishtailing." He added that the orange Toyota hit the bus, "but not hard. It was a bump," adding that the bus "skidded down the rail and it was gone."

His description of the wreck was given to his mother, Bonnie Sokolowski, and published in the Huntsville Times, because he did not want to speak with reporters.

Police Chief Rex Reynolds said evidence will be presented to a Grand Jury, as is required by state law for fatalities involving minors, and added that charges have not yet been filed against the 17-year old Toyota driver. Chief Reynolds said the bus driver had a clean driving record.

Mass chaos ensued and Crestwood Medical Center and Huntsville Hospital, the two local hospitals, both activated their Mass Casualty action plans. Emergency response personnel from throughout the area were called upon to assist in rescue efforts. Huntsville Hospital emergency room physician Dr. Sherrie Squyres said all off-duty hospital medical and nursing personnel were requested to return to work, and that three trauma surgeons and one neurosurgeon were committed exclusively to accident response.

Among the problems facing hospital and rescue personnel was the absence of personal identification among the victims. Huntsville City Schools Superintendent Dr. Ann Roy Moore said that the Lee High School principal had initiated a student ID card program, "but not every student carried the ID."

Brad Holley, Field Director for Alabama Department of Education, noting the tragedy said "We have not had a student killed while riding a school bus since 1969." Huntsville's last school bus related fatality was November 19, 1968 when a bus transporting students from Lee High Chapman Junior High Schools careened off Bankhead Parkway on Monte Sano Mountain above Tollgate Road. Faulty brakes caused that wreck.

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Family sues CNN's Nancy Grace after 'heated debate'

November 23, 2006

The family of a woman who committed suicide recently after appearing on CNN Headline News Nancy Grace's self titled show said Tuesday that they will be taking her to court.

Melinda Duckett, the mother of an infant son, Trenton Duckett, reported him missing on August 27, and fatally shot herself in her grandparents' retirement home on September 8. Shortly before her death, she had appeared on Grace's show, where she engaged in debate with the former Georgia prosecutor regarding her perceived lack of transparency regarding the disappearance. A suicide note was later found at the scene. The case made national headlines after her appearance.

"Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end," said Duckett's grandfather, Bill Eubanks, during an interview with The Orlando Sentinel. "She wasn't one anyone ever would have thought of to do something like this. She and that baby just loved each other, couldn't get away from each other. She wouldn't hurt a bug."

Grace's spokeswoman called the suicide "a sad development," and Grace herself issued a statement saying, "I do not feel that our show is to blame for what happened to Melinda Duckett."

"The truth," said Grace, "is not always nice or polite or easy to go down. Sometimes it's harsh, and it hurts."

However, thesmokinggun.com, a true crime website run by Court TV (where Grace also hosts a show), revealed pending litigation by the family on the behalf of Melinda Duckett's estate. Duckett's family is issuing a wrongful death claim against both CNN and Nancy Grace.

After the murder of Grace's fiancee in 1979, she became a prosecutor in her native Georgia and later hosted her own show on Court TV, followed later by her CNN tenure. Grace, however, has been criticized for her sense of ethics and allegedly playing fast and loose with the facts, both in the courtroom and on the air.

Grace's heated interview, however, was not without proper motive. The police had long suspected Melinda Duckett of involvement in her son's disappearance, due to her behavior and contradictory statements. After Duckett's suicide, police named her as a prime suspect in her son's disappearance. Recently, they have announced that they have reason to believe that Trenton Duckett is still alive.


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State funeral approved by Canadian House of Commons

November 22, 2006

The approved a  for the last standing World War I veteran Tuesday. Three of them are still alive, Percy Wilson, who is 105 years old, Lloyd Clemett and John Babcock, both 106. They are the last three living veterans among the 619,636 Canadians who served between 1914 and 1918.

The motion, introduced by the, was favored by all party leaders. The motion was prompted by an online petition by the, a national organization which promotes Canadian history.

State funerals in Canada, by tradition, are reserved for prime ministers and governors general. This bill, which is now in affect in Canada, means that state funerals are not only for prime ministers but for people who have served the country.

"We want to thank the tens of thousands of Canadians who signed our petition in support of state funeral," said, the director of the Dominion Institute. "By passing a motion to offer a full state funeral today the Parliament of Canada will allow a grateful nation to pay proper tribute to our last Great War veteran on his passing and honour the over 600,000 Canadians he served with under arms from 1914-1918."

Australia, also held a state funeral for the final veteran of the. A State Funeral was offered for Steve Irwin in September 2006, but the offer was declined by his family's wishes. Canada is the fourth country to have a funeral honoring the last war veteran that served in any war.

"We won't be able to look them in the eyes anymore and thank them for their service the way we should for everyone who is willing to serve our country the way they did and our armed forces personnel still do," NDP Leader Jack Layton said.

Since November 6, around 100,000 Canadians had signed the online petition.


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NZ National party leader wants book based around his emails published

November 22, 2006

Doctor Don Brash, New Zealand National party leader, is seeking legal advice to see if the injunction he has placed on his emails to stop them from being published will still be valid if he lets a new book based around those emails to be released to the public. Dr Brash, however, wants the people who he sent emails and received emails from not named.

"As I've said earlier, I want to see the book by Nicky Hager published so that the claims can be exposed to daylight," Dr Brash said, "On the strength of the initial discussion with Mr Brown [legal counsel], I am confident that there are ways in which the book can be released, even in the next few days. These are being actively explored.

The book in question is by Nicky Hager and has been given the title: The Hollow Men: A Study in the Politics of Deception. It includes emails that were, allegedly, given to him by insiders in the National party, who Mr Hager will not name, it also includes interviews with unhappy people inside the National party. Despite the claims made by Mr Hager, Dr Brash is still adamant that they were stolen from his computer.

The book includes political strategies behind the Orewa speech, the input into Nationals campaign from neo-conservatives in America, industry lobby group influences, donors to National and also the election spending strategy that was thought up by Australian advisers. The accusations that the author, Mr Hager, has made are wild according to Dr Brash.

The injunction that was issued from the High Court stops anyone from broadcasting, publishing or giving the emails to anyone, in any form, which includes the internet.

Michelle Boag, the person who got Dr Brash to enter the National party, said: "Mr Hager has no credibility. The media is giving the author and activist too much attention. He got access to some stolen property, he selectively took bits to try to reinforce it and now people are believing this man who has never in his life published anything that has had any credibility. All the media is doing is help Mr Hager to sell his book in time for Christmas."

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Honda Civic tops Canada's list of most stolen cars

November 22, 2006

The 1999 and 2000 year model Honda Civic SiR tops the list of Canada's most stolen cars.

Consumer popularity also assures the cars will be popular with thieves. Its the second year in a row the Honda SiR has topped the list.

Rick Dubin Vice President of Investigations for the Insurance Bureau of Canada said "The Civics are easy targets."

Dubin said that once stolen, the cars are most often sold to "chop shops" where thieves completely dismantle the vehicles. The automobile's individual parts are worth more than the entire car.

The sheer numbers of the cars and their lack of theft deterrent systems make them thieves' preferred choices.

No immobilizer
1999 and 2000 Honda Civics do not come with an electronic immobilizer, however all Hondas from 2001 and onward are equipped with an immobilizer. Immobilizers will be mandatory on all new cars sold beginning September 2007. The devices enable an engine computer to recognize an electronic code in the key. If the code in the key and the engine don't match exactly, the vehicle can't be started.

In third place was the 2004 Subaru Impreza, while the 1999 Acura Integra came in fourth, with the 1994 Honda Civic rounding out the top five.

In sixth place, the 1998 Acura Integra, and the 1993 Dodge Shadow completed seventh.

When asked why early model vehicles are selected, he said that, "auto thieves continue to find it easier to steal older vehicles lacking an IBC-approved immobilizer. We've seen this trend developing for several years, and these results confirm it."

Another Honda automobile, the 1996 year model Civic filled eighth place, with the 2000 German Audi TT Quattro in ninth.

The American 1996 Chevrolet/GMC Blazer rounded out the top ten.

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Bush's daughter's purse snatched

November 22, 2006 Barbara Bush, daughter of U.S. President George W. Bush had her purse stolen while on a two-week trip in Argentina.

Unnamed law enforcement officials told news agencies that the 24-year old Miss Bush was "not in the immediate proximity" of her purse when it was stolen. Her cell phone was among the items stolen.

According to the source, "at no point were the protectees out of visual contact and at no point was there any risk of harm."

Miss Bush was having dinner in the San Telmo neighborhood of Buenos Aires during her first night there when the incident occurred. According to the reports, Secret Service agents guarding Miss Bush failed to notice the theft.

According to additional unnamed law enforcement sources, an agent member of Miss Bush's advance party Secret Service was badly beaten during an "altercation" on his personal time, which the agent reported as an attempted mugging. The agent's condition is fine.

A Bush administration official confirmed that "a theft incident" involving Barbara Bush had occurred, but declined details. The Secret Service, which is charged with the protecting the First Family's personal security, declined comment, as did the White House, and the First Lady's office.

There have been recent reports that Miss Bush has been living and working in Panama as an intern for UNICEF.

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Talk:State funeral approved by Canadian House of Commons

May I suggest amending the title to specify which house of commons? There are after all, plenty of them in this wide wide world. "State funeral for last World War I veteran approved by Canadian House of Commons" ? "Canadian House of Commons approves state funeral for last WW1 veteran" ? Something like that so that people can get a better feel for the article to decide to click the link or not? - 130.15.164.83 02:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I changed the title by adding Canadian House of Commons. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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The title "Canada's Commons OKs State Funerals" was very misleading. It said Canada approved state funerals for the first time. However, Canada had state funerals before. In my title "State funeral for last World War I veteran approved by Canadian House of Commons" said that they approved a state funeral for the last WWI veteran. I have since changed it to "State funeral approved by Canadian House of Commons" to shorten the title while explaining the most important part. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:Family sues CNN's Nancy Grace after 'heated debate'

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It seems like the anon who created this article is pro-Melinda Duckett and is trying to make Nancy Grace look bad. I have tried to make this article more NPOV but it still needs a NPOV tag, imo. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  03:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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New Zealand National party pays back owed GST

November 22, 2006

The New Zealand National party has announced that it will pay back the GST (Goods and Services Tax) it owes to five different advertisers, all television stations, by buying advertising time for the several different charities. The advertisements will appear on the owed media outlets. They have decided with the current path is it would "unlawful" to pay back the GST normally.

The GST amounted to NZ$112,000.

National's original plan of getting a one time bill passed that it would allow them to pack the owed GST to the media outlets was ditched in favour of this new one. "With the prospect of legislation diminishing, it's time to accept that National cannot go down that path," Judy Kirk, president of the National party, said.

If National was to pay back the GST, they would be breaking the law by going over the electioneering cap set by the Broadcasting Act.

The owed media companies are TVNZ, TV3 and Sky Television. It also includes Sky's free-to-air channel, Prime.

Ms Kirk said: "We want to get some closure on the matter and have taken extensive legal advice on our options... We have secured clear advice that it would be unlawful to pay the five outstanding media creditors, and that it would be unlawful for them to accept payment. We do not wish to break the law, and nor do we wish to place our creditors in the position of breaking the law."

"...we will purchase the media advertising time directly from broadcasters and ask that they allocate it amongst the range of charities currently supported by each," Ms Kirk said.

National said that their error on not paying for the GST did not effect the outcome of the election, unlike the Labour party's overspending.


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I used the media release for the quotes and from other Wikinews articles I had wrote previously regarding this matter. --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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Could you please better phrase your title. It is nonsense for ppl outside "NZ". Towsonu2003 08:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


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French postal service is back on the rails

November 22, 2006 The French postal service La Poste has reached agreement with SNCF, the national rail company, to create a joint rail-based high-speed courier service. The planned joint venture was announced on Monday by the two state-owned businesses.

La Poste's return to rail was prompted by stiff competition and rulings of the European Commission. In the late 1990s, mail train services were largely replaced by road and air shipment. Faced with European prohibitions on night flights, and the harmful effects of carbon emissions, La Poste changed its policy.

There will be 3 TGV high-speed mail trains in the new fleet, soon expanding to 10. Environmentally speaking, the trains will contribute a reduction in atmospheric pollution from fossil fuels.


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Please check my translations
This whole paragraph contains too much postal jargon for me to come up with a useful translation:
 * ''Les services postaux disposaient jadis du service des « ambulants. » Des postiers triaient les différents objets de correspondance dans des wagons postaux pour les différentes villes desservies par le train. Ce service triait du simple courrier ordinaire aux objets recommandés ou chargés[1] en cabine des chargements.

--InfantGorilla 08:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Grondin added this footnote to his French Wikinews story. I am sad to say that I don't understand the footnote either. Help please!
 * ''Un objet chargé porte ce nom du fait que l'agent de la cabine des chargements appose la griffe « chargée » sur les étiquettes de numérotation des objets.

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Sources please
Searching Yahoo! News and Google News, I can only find one source. Maybe only AFP showed up at the press conference? There are no press releases about the story at SNCF or La Poste. --InfantGorilla 09:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


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Winter session of the Parliament of India begins today

November 22, 2006

The winter session of the Parliament of India has begun today. Both the houses, Lok Sabha (Lower House) and Rajya Sabha (Upper House), were adjourned after paying obituaries to BSP leader Kanshi Ram and four other former MPs.

The Rajya Sabha was adjourned without transacting any business today as a mark of respect to Lalit Suri, a sitting member of Rajya Sabha who passed away on October 10, 2006.

Six newly elected members, including BJP leader Shahnawaj Hussain, newly elected Lok Sabha member from Bhagalpur constituency, and Narahari Mahato from Purulia constituency, took their oaths of office.

Three new members of the Union Council of Ministers were introduced in the Lok Sabha. The members are Defence minister A K Antony, Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting M H Ambareesh and Minister of State for Water Resources Jay Prakash Narayan Yadav.


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Nine killed in Kolkata leather factory fire

November 22, 2006

Nine people are confirmed dead in a fire in a leather bag factory in Kolkata's South 24 Pargana district in Topsia area.

Eighteen people were seriously injured and admitted to the National Medical College and Hospital.

Inspector General of Police (Law and Order) Raj Kanojia said that the fire broke out at about 3 a.m. local time, when the victims were inside the factory and all the doors were closed.

Director General of Fire Brigade Gopal Bhattacharjee said that it was an illegal factory in Kolkata located at third floor of the building. At the time of fire, all the exits were shut and workers could not come out from the factory.

The cause of the fire is yet to be ascertained. Kolkata Mayor Bikash Ranjan Bhattacharya suggested that a short circuit or an unattended cigarette may have caused the fire.

Five firetenders were rushed to the spot. Firefighters fought the blaze for hours and rescued the people who were residing in the building at the time of fire.


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If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! — Doldrums(talk) 10:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

uploaded images
am not sure why u're uploading these images from commons, just wanted to let u know that commons images can be linked to from wikinews, even without copying them here. — Doldrums(talk) 10:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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