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Eric Bogosian on writing and the creative urge

April 17, 2008

Eric Bogosian is one of America's great multi-dimensional talents. "There's sort of three different careers, and any one of them could exist by itself, on its own two feet. There was that solo stuff, and then I started writing plays in the late seventies." Although his work has spanned genres, most readers will recognize Bogosian for his acting, which has included a memorable performance in Woody Allen's Deconstructing Harry to co-writing and starring in the Oliver Stone movie Talk Radio (based upon his Pulitzer Prize-nominated play) to playing the bad guy in Under Siege 2 to his current role in Law & Order: Criminal Intent as Captain Danny Ross. They may not know, however, that he had collaborated with Frank Zappa on a album, worked with Sonic Youth, and was a voice on Mike Judge's Beavis & Butthead Do America. He started one of New York City's largest dance companies, The Kitchen, which is still in existence. He starred alongside Val Kilmer in Wonderland and his play Talk Radio was recently revived on Broadway with Liev Schreiber in the role Bogosian wrote and made famous.

Currently at work on his third novel, tentatively titled The Artist, Bogosian spoke with David Shankbone about the craft of writing and his life as a creative.

Bogosian's view of his work
'''David Shankbone: Which role are you most proud of?

 * Eric Bogosian: The Talk Radio role was pretty significant, I mean, that film is still out there.  And it continues to draw attention to itself.  I pretty much starred in three movies; Talk Radio, Under Siege 2, and a film called Wonderland with Val Kilmer that I did a few years ago, in which I played a--anyway, you can look it up on IMDB.  But it's, um--that was a pretty insane role.

'''DS: What kind of roles do you typically go for?

 * EB: Well, I'll play anything if I like the role, if I like the writing; if I think that the character has a real agenda, is an interesting character.  I avoid what I think of as "furniture roles,"--I don't care how large or small the role is.  For instance, my part in the Woody Allen movie Deconstructing Harry on the page is a small role.  It's only a few pages long.  But it's a great character, and it's a memorable character.

'''DS: And it's Woody Allen.

 * EB: And it's Woody Allen, yeah.  I'm three of the voices on Beavis & Butthead Do America.  I have had this really exciting time of being working with Taylor Hackford and Woody Allen and Robert Altman and Paul Schrader.  But also, Mike Judge, Frank Zappa, Sonic Youth...  These are wide-ranging in the different kinds of things I've worked on.  Those are some of the more prominent things.  That play in 1994 was a big deal; the film that came out of it is a big deal.  Around 2000 I started doing the books, and now I'm on my third novel.  That's sort of the overview of the whole thing, at least from my perspective.

'''DS: If you could only choose one of these careers, what would you most want to go with?

 * EB: In temperament, I'm best suited to the writing, but it isn't what I enjoy the most.  I mean, I really enjoy acting, because it's a lot of fun. But there's a certain self-involvement that's required with acting, and a certain thick skin that I just don't have.  I'm much more a writer, because I can have a homebody quality, and I can be in the house; I can be away from people.  I have sort of a problem in that I like people a lot, and I really hate people, and so it's kind of difficult to decide where I'm at on any given day.

How Bogosian approaches his writing
'''DS: When you tackled your first novel, was there ever a time when you were like, 'I don't even know how people get an entire novel out of their heads,' and you had to actually sit down and plot it? How did you approach your first novel?

 * EB: Well, my first prose book wasn't a novel; it's a novella called, Notes from the Underground.  The way I did that--and this is a long time ago--I wrote it by creating diary entries and just filling them in every day.  So every day, I would give myself the assignment of writing a diary entry for this character.  And I'd say that that's pretty much the easiest way to sit down and write a book, because you say to yourself every day, "I'm going to write one of these things," and one day it'll be long, and another day it'll be short.  I eventually found out what that character was about.  My current book I'm writing now is also written in journal entry form, although in a much more complex way.  When I sat down to write Mall, which was really my first novel, I wrote it by understanding that I'm not the most sophisticated prose writer.  I had been writing a lot of screenplays and even some television, so I had learned a lot about how to tell a story.  I decided to create a very clear spine on which to hang a lot of things, a very clear arc.  That arc was kind of a thriller.  Mall is about a guy who's a disgruntled employee and he goes to a shopping mall to shoot the place up.  And it was just kind of strange, because since I've written this book this keeps happening!  This happened a few days ago.

'''DS: I saw that.

 * EB: What the book's really about is people who are there at the mall at the time.  There's some kids in the food court; there's a woman shopping; and there's another guy shopping for something else.  A security guard.  All these people get pulled into what happens, and that affects them.  That system of writing a story--it's a pinwheel narrative, which has become very popular in movies these days, where you go from character to character to character; all the stories are happening at the same time--that was a great way for me to focus on what I do best, which is to sit with each character, but at the same time have a very clear story.  The reason that I went into the prose book world was the nature of audiences.  I mainly had written theater, and that audience is such a narrow bandwidth of people, as in those who actually go to the theater at this point.  You know demographics and age and so forth, I--they don't actually really reflect even my tastes.  Because it's generally theater's for sort of an upper middle class--

'''DS: Do you have an audience in mind when you write?

 * EB: I think of people like myself; people who like the kind of movies I like, the kind of people who read the kind of books I read and listen to my kind of music.  contemporary, you know, just like what somebody who maybe is in their thirties might be going to see or something, because it's got more energy and action and--that's the kind of stuff I like.  I like louder, stronger, more edgy kind of stuff.  That doesn't exist in the theater for the most part, I think because of Amazon.

'''DS: Do you think the audience is shrinking for that sort of narrative?

 * EB: No, with the advent of online bookstores the audience exploded about ten years ago.  All of a sudden there were audiences for books that weren't upper middle class audiences, but a younger audience that wanted to read more edgy stuff.  And you saw the rise of [Dave] Eggers and David Foster Wallace; really interesting writers suddenly came to the fore and I thought to myself, I can write a book and find an audience--they can be out there anywhere.  They can be in Alberta, Canada, and they can get my book.  But if I write a play--the play world is just a really different world.  I discovered that when I wrote a book, that the book world is very crowded.  And in fact, I'm already a member of the very-hard-to-get-into theater world, so I have a greater edge; I have a greater sort of built-in advantage when I work in the theater, because I'm a bona fide theater guy.  You can walk into any bookstore, and you will see in terms of literary fiction that there's going to be twenty new titles every two weeks.  They're going to be there for a few weeks, and then they're going to be gone and there will be twenty more titles.  And every once in a while, one breaks out, but they're all competing with each other.

'''DS: How do you break your novel out? How do you get it to stand apart?

 * EB: I can't think about it that way.  It's very simple: All I do is write.  The way that I go about doing my work is very simple.  Imagine that somebody told you that some book was great, or a movie was great, or a play was great, but they didn't tell you anything about it.  You're on your way there to see it or hear it or read it, and in your mind, you're already imagining what it's going to be like.  That's what I write.  I write the stuff that I wish were up there because I'm so often disappointed.  I'm just trying to write the thing that would make me happy, you know, as if it was an audience of a hundred thousand of me out there, what they want to read.  That isn't necessarily what everybody does.  Although I think any successful writer has to be enthusiastic about their own writing.  But you might be writing in terms of, "Oh this is going to be my big blockbuster novel" or something.

'''DS: Or if you have a particular point that you want to make. Some sort of allegory or some sort of commentary on society.

 * EB: Well, my stuff reflects the way that I think and exist.  It's a little philosophical, but it's a little punk as well because I really believe in having a sense of humor about the world, even though it doesn't reflect in the way I talk.  I just think that humor in people and philosophy is what it's all about.  I push the envelope a little bit.  It just has to be entertaining, and entertaining can be whatever holds an audience.  And that might be ideas, or it might be sex or it might be terrific writing--obviously, I want my writing to be able to hold up when you read it.

How Bogosian works himself into his writing
'''DS: Would you describe yourself as an experience junkie?

 * EB: An experience junkie?

'''DS: Yeah.

 * EB: [Laughs] Uh, well, I think I always did think of myself that way, but I know there's so many things that I actually don't know anything about.  I'm typical of the suburban know-it-alls that showed up in the cities twenty years ago and think of themselves as sort of on the edge, but really are so typical, it's embarrassing.  I went to college and I did drugs and I lived in the city, so big deal.  Me and ninety million other people did the same thing.  It isn't like I climbed Mount Everest or I fought in a war or did anything genuinely interesting.  As fiction moves more and more toward this first-person type of fiction, then it becomes this competition of who's had the most exciting life or did the most exciting things.  And for me, that's not where literature comes from.

'''DS: Would you say it comes from emotion and character?

 * EB: Yeah--how well you can convey to the audience your point of view.  You could be living in a box, but if you can really convey it well then it makes for exciting reading.  But, you know, you have to be Proust to do that.

'''DS: Do you draw any inspiration from the current political climate, either in the country or in the world?

 * EB: Politically, I'm an activist, but  my work is always about sort of the attitude that underlies it all.  I rarely deal with topical stuff.  It feels topical, but it isn't.  I mean, Talk Radio kind of surprised people, because they revived it last year, twenty years after it had been written, and it felt fresh.  But that's because I don't really write about topical stuff; I write about American attitudes, American values, my values, my attitudes.  And to the degree that anybody sees things the way I see things, they can relate.  But I'm not going to set out and say, "Okay, now what can I write about George Bush today?" I just think there's enough people writing blogs about that.

'''DS: Do you think narrative is one of the more challenging aspects of writing?

 * EB: Telling a good story is a dying art.  Not just in fiction, but in book writing, where you're given a little bit of a leeway because it's the nature of fiction; you can meander a little bit.  But in films and in plays, it's hard to know how to tell a good story.  It's sort of one those basic things you have to know how to do before you even sit down to write.  You're juggling a lot of balls if you want to a good literary writer.  Obviously, you have to have control of the prose itself, the rhetoric of the whole thing, the way you put it forth.  Then there's the storytelling.  Then it's like who cares that you have something to say unless you have a good reason to say it?

'''DS: Do you ever ask yourself that question about your writing?

 * EB: Like a lot of artists, I started out with a particularly strong point of view, coming from where I was coming from, wherever that might be.  Like a suburban kid moving into the city or whatever you want to say I was twenty years ago.  But I became successful, and then I found it more and more interesting to write about those things that are part of my successful life, which actually are less and less interesting for an audience to read about. So I mean--you know what I'm saying?

'''DS: But do you ever ask yourself that question when you're writing, "Who cares?"

 * EB: [Laughs] Well, yeah.  I mean, to some degree, you have to wonder, "Who cares?"  But you have to figure that there's gonna be people out there who share your experience.  When writing prose you must come to terms with the fact that Oprah is the queen of the prose world right now, because women are the people who buy most literary fiction.  I'm a guy in his fifties.  The experience of a guy in his fifties is not that interesting to women and there aren't that many men in their fifties reading serious fiction at this point.  So you do kind of box yourself into a corner.  But what can I do about that?  I can only write about what I can write about.  There are wonderful writers out there who are mature men writing wonderful books: McEwan or Roth or whoever you want to point your finger at.  It's just that that whole serious fiction world has its own problems.  That's what the online bookseller started to change.

The future of the narrative
'''DS: When you look at the arc of American culture, in your experience, where do you see it heading?

 * EB: Well, technology is what makes all things change.  If there were never any changes in technology, I’m sure everything would reach a sort of stasis, and we'd just live the same way all the time.  So, as technology changes, it's going to feed int--all of a sudden, there'll be some breakthrough thing that no one will suspect.  I mean, when Quentin Tarantino came out of nowhere with Pulp Fiction, it was because of what he had accumulated as a video store guy.  I know right now, my son is on the computer every night watching endless YouTube videos, and he's making videos himself, and he's got the TV set on and the music on at the same time.  Maybe something's going to come out of that.

'''DS: Something that's not apparent.

 * EB: Somebody, somewhere, all of a sudden, all these elements will fuse, and there will be this new thing.

'DS: I interviewed a novelist named John Reed, who wrote this book called Snowball's Chance'' that was kind of a rip on Orwell. We were talking about how limited the current narrative is--at least in the United States, where it's sin, suffer and redemption. John said he could foresee at some point these multidimensional narratives almost on a Biblical level come to fruition. Where you have various dimensions, and where it goes from the Internet to magazines to television and it ends up spanning different mediums. It's an interesting idea, and when you really think about it you can see it starting to happen. It's not being done quite yet, but you could envision it.

 * EB: I think I agree with that.  And I think that a parallel thing that's going on right now that's invisible to the culture as a whole is that we're moving toward a more medieval way of looking at things.  Narratives are moving toward not only pinwheel narratives, but more tapestry-like narratives.  Like The Lord of the Rings, where you don't really feature a psychological character.  If you look at the movies that were the big hits of the sixties, when I was coming up, you've got these troubled guys that are in the center of the movie.  A guy like Steve McQueen, Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy or The Graduate; Easy Rider, or Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces.  Then the literature of the time, same thing.  Some central male character who has a lot on his mind and is upset about the ways things are going for him in the world, and he's sort of slogging through.  My kids find stuff like that intensely boring.  They just aren't interested in psychological characters anymore.  Maybe it's because they're kids, but you've got to give them credit.  I was reading Hermann Hesse when I was their age.  What their taste and what I think the culture as a whole is going toward, is more medieval.  When I say medieval, I mean lots of characters that all have archetypal qualities to them; we don't really know what's going on inside their head; they're just kind of all acting and reacting to each other.  You look at the movies that become popular now, even going back to Pulp Fiction or anything like that, it's, "Who cares about the central, troubled guy?"  No one cares anymore; it's old-fashioned.  Let's look at lots of people doing lots of things to each other over this span of time, and that's why the movie industry runs into all these problems, because the guys that are greenlighting all the caca that run.  They remember the movies that they really liked a lot, and they try and make a movie like that, and they just don't--

'''DS: But update it.

 * EB: Nobody cares anymore.

'''DS: --that this narrative is currently not popular.

 * EB: But those movies don't--they don't swing, you know?  Then Ocean's Eleven ends up being the kind of movie that will kick it a little bit better.  That's why there is so much action and comedy: people don't care about the psychological character.  And when you start throwing out that psychological character, which is really what has ruled since Shakespeare.  The 1950s are the ultimate psychological characters; Brando and all these really troubled guys.  You know, it's all done.  It's done.  It's finished; it's old-fashioned.

'''DS: Nobody wants to find out why a person's troubled anymore?

 * EB: No.

'''DS: They just want to see what the effects are and how things resolve?

 * EB: Yeah, and tell a good story, and have lots of different things going on between different kinds of armies, like 300 or whoever they are--talk about medieval, 300 is before medieval.  I think you'll see more stuff like that.  It isn't entirely to my taste, but the funny thing is, when I see all that kind of material, and then I go back and I look at the kinds of the things that have always attracted me, I realize that it's really the same story over and over and over again.  Some troubled white male and his dick, and he's trying to figure out what the fuck is going on in this life--I mean, this is Philip Roth.  It gets you to the Philip Roth novels that he's been currently writing, which are--

'''DS: Which are critically acclaimed but not commercially successful.

 * EB: Yeah, and they're also complete dead ends.  I mean, they're the most fucking depressing things--I mean if you're a Philip Roth fan like me, and you've been reading them for years, it's okay.  You get it.  This guy is in his seventies, he's wearing a diaper, he can't get it up anymore . . ..

'DS: [Laughs'']

 * EB: You know, but how is it--how would anybody else be into that kind of shit?  It's so uninteresting.

'''DS: Well, it's been seen so many times that everyone knows where it's going; it gets to the point where you're like, okay, what is this? "Dejected Man"? Is this, "World Didn't Turn Out The Way You Thought It Would Man"?

 * EB: Yeah.

'''DS: In the end, the stories become uninteresting because you know it's going to be either a, b, c, or d that makes the conflict. Which is it going to be? People tend to like to read things because they want their interest grabbed. They don't want to read a book like when they watch a horror movie, knowing what is right around the corner.

 * EB: Yeah.

'''DS: How is that person going to die? You know they're going to die. Are they going to be slashed across the throat? are they going to have a sword plunging through their stomach? are they going to be shot in the face?

 * EB: Yeah.

'''DS: You know when you watch a horror movie the person's going to die; it's just a question of how.

 * EB: Yeah.

'''DS: When you take that to a literary level, it starts becoming too formulaic, and people don't care how.

 * EB: Yeah, well that--and also, it reflects sort of where people are at in their lives, and so, you know, romances will perennially be interesting to people because most people that are really actively looking for movies and books are in their twenties and thirties, and they're--that's what their life is all about.  But I want to say one other thing, which I--I actually ran a symposium at the Public Library a couple of years ago, which nobody seemed to find very important, but I really think is important, which is:  If you really want to look for the new literature, you got to look at graphic novels, which are wildly popular.  Just look at them, look at the way they're structured--

'''DS: Yeah.

 * EB: --and look at the way they tell the story: you're completely outside Psychological Character-land.  Neil Gaiman is the king of that world as well as a number of other guys, and then they're making movies based on that stuff.

'DS: 30 Days of Night'' is a good example of that, too, where you did have a central character, but you didn't really go into the psychology of anything. It was based on a graphic novel. It's vampires in Barrow, Alaska. You don't go into the vampires at all.

 * EB: No?

'''DS: One of the criticisms that somebody told me was that they really didn't go into the vampires. You had these creatures show up; they wanted to kill. They were interesting, but you didn't go into what motivated them--it became more about survival. You had all of these different scenarios and how people's lives affected how they reacted to this sudden threat that had entered their town.

 * EB: Right.

'''DS: It was sort kind of a pinwheel narrative, but you didn't get into, "What's driving them?  What can stop them?"

 * EB: Yeah, that's our little symposium on the future of narrative.

Collaborations with Steven Spielberg and Frank Zappa
'''DS: What is something you notice missing from your Wikipedia article?

 * EB: There are two items that are interesting that aren't on my Wikipedia article.  I don't know how big that page has to be, but I made an album with Frank Zappa in 1986.

'''DS: What's it called?

 * EB: It's called Blood on the Canvas.  I also co-created a TV series with Spielberg in 1996 that ran for two years on ABC called High Incident.

'''DS: How do you come across these projects?

 * EB: They get in touch with me.  There were times when I was sort of an interesting person and I'd get a call from somebody who's working with Frank Zappa and ask me if I would like to meet with him?  Very often I'll meet with somebody and there's really nowhere to go with it, or you can't really figure out how to make it happen and it would be great if it did, but--it doesn't.  But in the case of Zappa, I mean he's one of my greatest heroes; I would do whatever he wanted to do, and that's what we ended up doing.

'''DS: When you say, "were a more interesting person," who was that person?

 * EB: I was more of interest to the general public, probably because Talk Radio had just come out and right around that time, there were these hit shows and so forth happening on theater; it was like I could do no wrong.  I was younger.  I mean, it's like twenty years ago now, almost.  You just get the kind of Powers That Be out there going, "Hmmm, who's this guy? Let's do something with him."  That's usually what happens; working with Frank was a thrill.  Getting pulled into a TV series, I mean it was interesting to be around Spielberg a little bit, but really, you're working for a huge entity, and I just don't do that.  I am not that interested in that.  I make my own stuff.  And so sometimes you get pulled in with a big celebrity producer-creator, and it's suddenly their show, and it's not your show. It's not as exciting as you might think it could be.

'''DS: It's not as much of a collaboration as it is you're working on their project?

 * EB: Yeah.  It's always balance. I mean certainly the Woody Allen movie, in which I didn't really have a huge role in it, but how could I not?  You know, to be on set with Woody and even working for a few days, it was fun to say, "Oh, this is what it's like"--you know look at the way he works.  "This is how he makes his decisions in a scene."  And say with Altman and other people I've worked with, it's like, "This is fascinating!"  I made a picture with Atom Egoyan in Canada.   Adam's a terrific and exciting director to work around, so that was great.  But at the end of the day, you got to say to yourself, I mean, if you're really a maker of things, which I guess I am, then ask, "What am I making? Why am I making it?  Where am I going with this?"  And then I have this urge to continually put my point of view out there.  At the end of the day you'll say, "Why did he even bother doing all this anyway, because there's ninety million books out there, and who needs one more?"  But that's the artistic urge.


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Comments:Former US president Carter meets with former deputy-PM for Hamas

Good for Carter ... opening the lines of communication with all parties brings more transparency to the situation, and that is always a good thing. Wikidsoup - (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The people that want to marginalize Hamas are forgetting the fact that they were elected by the people of Gaza. Spacehusky - (talk) 20:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And lead them to a civil war which maid life harder for them? --66.229.16.129 21:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Non-interventionist foreign policy at work... Fephisto - (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I think it is bad that Carter is doing this. It undermines the isolation strategy, which is to say, "Do this or we won't engage you" where "this"="stop declaring that your ultimate goal is to destroy Israel" among other things.  Now Carter confers legitimancy upon Hamas while it has not moderated it's position.  The message Hamas gets is that it doesn't have to do anything but wait.
 * Isolating hamas, Spacehusky, is not forgetting the fact that they were elected. It is respecting that fact.  Hamas was elected.  Hamas' goal is the destruction of Israel and the Jews.  Hamas does not even make a pretense of offering long-term peace, but rather short-term cease-fires or 10-year "hudnas," and even offering these are opposed by many Hamas members.  No, I do not think the international community should dignify Hamas' position with "talks."   Would you have the international community ignore the fact that Hamas was elected, and treat Gaza as if it were under the rule of Fatah or something?
 * Israel refuses to talk to Hamas (for now) not because it doesn't accept it as the ruler of Gaza, but because of Hamas' professed goals. Israel partially cuts electricity and fuel to Gaza because Hamas is the ruler of Gaza and not just a group inside it anymore. Smaug - (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


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Chair of European Parliament's agricultural committee discusses biofuels with Wikinews

April 17, 2008 , a Member of the European Parliament and the chair of the Agricultural committee of the European Parliament, was recently interviewed by Wikinews on the subject of biofuels and renewable transport. The interview was held after a workshop was held in the European Parliament on the subject of.

"I believe that the mixing of biofuels with mineral oils can provide us with significantly cleaner fuel," said Mr. Parish.

In a press release by the European Parliament about the workshop, the legislative body stated some possible disadvantages to biofuels:

In the last year scientific evidence, though disputed, has indicated that biofuels may not be as good for the environment as was once thought. Critics point out that the intensive production of biofuels themselves may add to the release of nitrous oxide - a potent greenhouse gas. Also, the clearing of large tracts of forest to grow biofuels, especially in South America, may lead to the destruction of biodiversity, huge water usage and the felling of forests that act as huge 'carbon sinks'.

In the interview Parish also said that encouraging public transport was an important method of combating climate change. Below is the relevant quote:

I believe that the way to deal with pollution caused by motor vehicles is not by making peoples lives more difficult or by pricing them out of their cars without giving them viable and cheap public alternatives. In many rural areas, cars are the only viable way of moving around and we need to remember this.

Mr. Parish also mentioned road pricing in the interview.

On a national level, the British government could look at a road pricing system which could replace the current vehicle tax regime, with revenue being placed back into public transport systems.

Biofuels are often used because they provide a way of limiting the emissions of carbon dioxide. Many people do, however, note that rainforest are destroyed to make space for the production of biofuels.


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I interviewed Parish via email. Please email me if you would like to be forwarded the emails to prove the interview took place. --A101 - (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks to for her help with this article A101 - (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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As   collabarated in making this article (via email) I am waiting until she has checked it before publishing it.--A101 - (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Confusing
The use of quote boxes is very confusing. I can't tell what is being said by Mr. Parrish and what is from another report or newspaper. --SVTCobra 17:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, it has changed from the original article produced by me. I have made a few changes to clarify it. --A101 - (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It is much clearer now. However, this interview diverts signifcantly from our usual question-and-answer style. --SVTCobra 00:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Category
Please add to Category:Renewable energy. Thanks.—Elekhh (talk) 23:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


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Hi. When requesting changes to archived articles, it is best to use editprotected. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Sancho 20:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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Thank You Pope for visiting the USA!!! --69.86.173.19 20:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Go home, Private Ratzinger! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.8.121.1 (talk) 10:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why??? --69.86.173.19 16:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The pope loves o eat new york hot dogs!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.208.5 (talk) 18:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The pope's visit was at the right time
The pope is a smart man. He knew it was the right time to come to the US. He also was very careful on his selection of words - he was nice and sweet, and humbled since the start.--96.232.49.24 04:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


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Pegasus rocket launches C/NOFS satellite

April 16, 2008 A Pegasus-XL carrier rocket, air-launched by a Lockheed L-1011 TriStar flying from Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, has placed the much-delayed C/NOFS satellite into a low Earth orbit.

C/NOFS, which stands for Communications/Navigation Outage Forecasting System, will investigate and forecast scintillations in the Earth's ionosphere, which are responsible for degradation of signals from navigation and communications satellites. It was originally scheduled to launch in 2003, but owing to a string of delays, it was finally launched at 17:01 GMT today. It will be operated by the Air Force Research Laboratory and Space Test Program offices of the United States Air Force.

The launch was conducted by Orbital Sciences Corporation. It is the first launch of a Pegasus rocket in almost a year. The next Pegasus is scheduled to launch in July, with NASA's IBEX satellite. The launch of C/NOFS is the 17th launch to orbit this year and the 39th orbital Pegasus launch.


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Man falls down elevator shaft; woman breaks his fall

April 16, 2008 Police reported on Monday, that a man in Frankfurt, Germany is recovering after he fell 25 feet down an elevator shaft early Sunday morning at 6:30 a.m. CEST (UTC+2), and survived. According to authorities, the only reason why the man is alive is because he landed on top of a woman who had fallen down the same shaft just one day earlier.

27-year-old Jens Wilhelms, who was not injured in the fall, was walking up a dark stairwell, passing by the elevator shaft which was undergoing repairs. When he peeked inside the open doors to see what was going on, he slipped off the edge.

"I saw the door open and I just wanted to check whether somebody was finally working on the elevator. I took a closer look inside the shaft as it was pitch black, and must have slipped off the edge somehow," said Wilhelms to the media.

Approximately 24 hours prior to Wilhelms' fall, an unidentified 57-year-old woman fell down the same shaft and was laying unconscious on the shaft's floor, bleeding internally.

Authorities say that although the woman sustained additional injuries from Wilhelms' fall, he likely saved her life.

"When Wilhelms fell down on her his weight caused additional damage to her body, but without that she could have laid there for days. The woman had been lying unconscious in the shaft for some time already," said Manfred Vonhausen, a spokesman for the Frankfurt Police Department.

The woman remains in a hospital where she is in critical condition.


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When?
This story covers Who, What, Where, and How but not When, which is pretty important in news reporting. --SVTCobra 22:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well nothing directly says. But i would assume on April 15 or 14. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hoax?
Googling the proper names "Jens Wilhelms" and "Manfred Vonhausen" that are in this story do not turn up many hits regarding this. In fact, the only other thing I found was this rather useless Daily Record stub. I think this is possibly, nay probably, a hoax. Otherwise it would have been more widely reported and included a date. --SVTCobra 23:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard this on the radio this morning. WYRK Buffalo during the news segment. That is what got me to write the article. Is there any evidence to suggest it is a hoax? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not other than what I mentioned above. I checked at Snopes and they are not covering it yet. The lack of "when" is however a huge tell in hoax stories. News outlets read eachother and feed upon eachother and each time it is retold or republished it only adds credibility to a story that may have been made-up. --SVTCobra 01:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And now some sites that mirror Wikinews will begin to carry it. So when others do "fact checking", they will only find even more stories. Before long it will be all over the interwebs and "Jens Wilhelms" will be wondering why people know his name. --SVTCobra 01:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See this: Yahoo News as reported by the Associated Press. Link in German, but I did read it in google translate. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a great find! I can agree to that, though the days/dates you state do not agree, but I will tidy those ... yes, I can read German too, but I can't explain that one through family relations like the Norwegian of yesterday. --SVTCobra 01:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you fixed that, too. I will add some times. --SVTCobra 01:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alas, it seems police reported it Monday but he fell Sunday ... but I made the change. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I had to look at sources in german to find that. LOL was not easy.But is weird the lack of sources indeed. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: possible hoax
Searching "frankfurt mann aufzugsschacht" does come up with results (I found the lack of German sources weird) but I don't know about the credibility of any of those news sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.207.33 (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


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Zimbabwe's election delay could have 'serious implications', warns UN Secretary-General

April 16, 2008 United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon remarked on the post-election situation in Zimbabwe on Wednesday, expressing concern about the failure of the election commission to release the results. He believes the delay could have "serious implications" for Zimbabwe's people.

At a summit in New York City, which was attended by the UN Security Council and African Union leaders, Ban said the international community is waiting for "decisive action" from the governments of southern Africa. "Absent a transparent solution to this impasse, the situation could deteriorate further with serious implications for the people of Zimbabwe," he said. "The credibility of the democratic process in Africa could be at stake here."

Ban said the UN is willing to help the Southern African Development Community resolve the crisis, and added that a possible second round of elections would have to be conducted fairly and transparently, in the presence of international observers.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown agreed with the Secretary-General's remarks. He called on the international community to put more pressure on Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe, who has been accused of rigging the election.

"No one thinks, having seen the result at the polling stations, that President Mugabe has won this election," Brown said. "A stolen election would not be an election at all. The credibility of the democratic process depends on there being a legitimate government."

The summit was chaired by South African President Thabo Mbeki, who insisted on Saturday that there was "no crisis" in Zimbabwe. Jacob Zuma, leader of South Africa's ruling ANC party, disagreed with Mbeki, saying that "the situation is more worrying now given the reported violence that has erupted."


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lol
 * what a great story! Everybody lives! Rekov - (talk) 01:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

lol
wow --66.229.16.129 02:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Lol
Funny stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.234.82.253 (talk) 17:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Never-ending Cycle
"Hey what's down this shaft? Whoo!-" *slip*

One day later.

"Hey, what's down thi-!" *slip*

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 * If you've any evidence to back up that claim, and were to provide such here, that would have some merit. --Pi zero (talk) 13:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


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Interview conducted with Eric Bogosian via telephone in December 2007. --David Shankbone - (talk) 03:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Ping

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'Expelled' producers accused of copyright violations

April 17, 2008 A new intelligent design creationist movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, starring Ben Stein, is scheduled to debut April 18, but several different sources have accused the film's producer of copyright violations. Though the movie has been criticized by Dr. Richard Dawkins, Dr. PZ Myers, and Dr. Eugenie Scott, who said they were tricked into appearing in the film, as well as from movie critics and scientists, the legal issues might develop into trouble for the producers.

On April 9, a cease-and-desist letter was sent to the producers of Expelled, alleging that the appearance in the film of an identical copy of XVIVO's video entitled The Inner Life of the Cell, which was created in partnership with Harvard University, infringed on XVIVO/Harvard's property. Shortly after, a letter was sent by David Bolinsky of XVIVO who wrote that Expelled's misuse of XVIVO/Harvard's work is harmful to their work.

On April 16, the The Wall Street Journal reported that Expelled producers did not receive permission to use John Lennon's "Imagine" from Yoko Ono, who possesses the copyright on the music. At the same time, it was noted that the producer also did not receive permission from The Killers for their song "All these Things That I Have Done." In addition, Myers believes Expelled copied material without permission from WEHI-TV and Public Broadcasting Service's video The Central Dogma: Transcription of DNA to RNA.

The topic of the film has also not been without controversy, as the scientific community does not believe intelligent design is valid science. Some scientists have panned the movie as "anti-science." Furthermore, the film received attention a month ago when Myers, who is interviewed and thanked in the film, was asked to leave a free screening of the movie by Mark Mathis, the movie's associate producer. However, Mathis did not notice Dawkins standing in line next to Myers who subsequently saw the film and wrote critically of it.


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I'm planning a follow up story for this, based on this which points out the ACCC is requesting comments. I've downloaded the three PDF documents attached to the ACCC notification (about 80 pages), and will sift through them this evening. One query I have is how much fair use of the ACCC documents is acceptable -- I think it would be useful to bring as much as possible of the contents in the PDF into a easy to access/read format - due to copyright, it probably isnt acceptable on Wikisource. John Vandenberg - (talk) 07:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


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All metal cladding taken off Cabot Circus Tower due to fault

April 17, 2008 All metal cladding has been forced to be taken off the primary tower at Cabot Circus, Bristol, United Kingdom, due to a fault.

This move comes only five months before the shopping centre is due to open.

A representative for Cabot Circus did, however, say that the move has not "compromised the overall budget."

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Bomb hurt seven police in Basque city of Bilbao

April 17, 2008 A powerful bomb preceded by a warning call exploded in the Basque city of Bilbao, in northern Spain, injuring seven police officers. Basque separatist group ETA was blamed.

The blast occurred outside an office of the ruling Spanish Socialist Party, and happened after a telephone warning. The building was seriously damaged.

The warning call came a half hour before the explosion, but a police patrol in the area had already spotted a suspicious package near the building. The officers were cordoning off the area when the bomb blasted. Seven were treated for minor injuries.

The bomb blast comes a day after Spain's parliament opened a new session. Five weeks ago, the Socialist Party was also directly attacked when ETA killed a town councilman in the northern Basque town of Mondragon.


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Venezuelan Government Nationalizes Steelmaker Sidor
After months of negotiations between Venezuela's largest steel manufacturer, Sidor, and its employees, the Venezuelan government announced plans to assume control of that company.

Sidor is a division of Ternium S.A.

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2008 Computex Preview: WiMAX, threat? opportunity?

April 17, 2008

2008 Computex Taipei (a.k.a Taipei International Information Technology Show), the second largest IT show in the world, will start on June 3 to 7 at the TWTC Hall 1 & 3, Taipei International Convention Center (TICC), and TWTC Nangang, in conjunction with 2008 WiMAX Expo Taipei, which will start earlier at the Taipei Show Hall 2. With two IT-related industry shows will be concurrently showcased in different venues, it will bring on many convergences and opportunities for networking and mobile-related industries worldwide including Taiwan. Since the Taipei Computer Association, Ministry of Economic Affairs (MOEA), and Industrial Technology Research Institute preliminary imported the "WiMAX Forum Showcase & Conference" into the TICC, WiMAX-related topics were mostly focused by several worldwide media and industrial elites. In extremity, some technologies and solutions like eSNG, wireless medical care, wireless transmission, and mobile entertainment were showcased there. And the MOEA also signed MOUs with 5 world-class WiMAX companies to help the networking industry last year in Taiwan.

Even though the signing of MOUs and new technologies will bring opportunities for WiMAX-related industries, and the mobile devices will be progressively popular in the future and more slim like an UMPC, but some companies from information security industry were worried about the future trend because of invisible threats on the Internet.

As of "Asia-pacific IT Security Forum" and "IT Security Pavilion" of SecuTech Expo 2008, there were several changes on participation from IT industry, but due to a major impact of "Edison Chen's photo scandal", several crisis were exposed with improper habits on modern people when using the Internet. There were several weak points on IM or P2P software, and USB mass storage devices. For example, Skype, a famous Internet telephony software, progressively became a hacking tool by several fraud groups although several enterprises had awareness on IM software and made several policies to prevent using them. According to a statistic on virus-infected users, even though there were 99% of Microsoft Windows users (infected by viruses), but a minor of 0.03% mobile device (e.g. Windows Mobile, Palm OS, etc.) users shouldn't be unnoticed. If the infrastructure of WiMAX technology is matured, although it (WiMAX) will bring convergences and opportunities for networking and digital content industries and bring on mobile populations, as the fraud groups updated their crime tools and extended their platform into mobile devices, there will be a lot of risks for mobile and Internet users as they welcomed the WiMAX technology.

It's a real deal that the WiMAX will bring different kind profits and benefits for different industries, but before the WiMAX became the trend, if Internet users didn't cultivate proper habits on using the Internet, the WiMAX will still bring on threats for end-users and industries.


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I attended another seminar about the internet security today, the lecturer analyzed about the convergences on the future technology of WiMAX. I think before the enjoyment, we (the public) should be more careful and pay more attention on hacking and malicious software injections. Brock contact... 15:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Category addition needed
Please add Category:2008 WiMAX Expo Taipei into this article, it's related to WiMAX, thanks. Brock contact... 15:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Brian McNeil / talk 08:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


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Brazilian President: not continuing to use biofuels would be a 'crime against humanity'

April 17, 2008 Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the president of Brazil, said on Wednesday that not continuing to use biofuels would be a "crime against humanity."

"Don't tell me, for the love of God, that food is expensive because of biodiesel," said Lula, when talking to reporters.

Lula also stated that he was ready for a debate on biofuels. "Brazil is prepared for this debate. I and my government are ready to travel around the world," he said.

This move comes soon after a press release was made available by the European Parliament saying that "in the last year scientific evidence, though disputed, has indicated that biofuels may not be as good for the environment as was once thought."


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Indonesia angered as nation's airlines all remain banned in EU airspace

April 17, 2008 Indonesia has been angered by a decision of the European Union to leave all 51 of the nation's air carriers on the list of air carriers banned in the EU. State-owned flag carrier Garuda Indonesia had hoped to begin flights to Europe imminently and has ordered ten new jetliners to serve routes there and to the United States.

Transport ministry spokesperson Bambang Ervan said "This seems like an unfair punishment for Indonesia. The EU is not a sovereign country and is not a member of the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation). But we do respect the EU and its decision, and demand the same from the EU."

The ban was imposed after a string of accidents, of which the three most important were Adam Air Flight 574, a 102-fatality accident in which a Boeing 737-43Q plunged into the ocean after pilots distracted by instrument failure failed to maintain control, Adam Air Flight 172, in which another B737 snapped in half after a hard landing and Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, in which a third B737 attempted landing at extreme speed and overshot the runway, killing 21.

Adam Air had also almost suffered a B737 crash the previous year, 2006, after a similar navigational instrument failure to that on Flight 574 caused the airliner to become lost for several hours, eventually performing an emergency landing hundreds of kilometres from its intended destination. Indonesia grounded the carrier in March after another accident in which a B737 overshot a runway. The carrier is also in severe financial difficulties and may soon be permanently shut down.

Meanwhile, the pilot of Garuda 200 has been charged over the accident, sparking intense controversy.

The EU reviewed the ban this week, but ruled that those responsible "have still to demonstrate that they have completed the corrective actions" needed to lift the ban. It is a blow to Indonesia, who had promised "fast-track" help to Garuda, Mandala Airlines, Premiair and Airfast to raise their safety to levels acceptable to the EU.


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George Bush meets with Gordon Brown

April 17, 2008

The President of the United States George W. Bush met today with his UK counterpart Gordon Brown, and addressed a press conference following the meeting in the Rose Garden of the White House.

President George W. Bush started the speech by saying that he appreciated the special relationship between the United Kingdom and the US. "we’re working very closely together," he said.

Bush continued by praising Mr. Brown for his reactions to the Glasgow Airport terrorist attack last year. The attack occurred just days after Mr. Brown became Prime Minister. The speech continued when Bush thanked the British Army for their work in Iraq, which has been a subject of many newspaper headlines in the UK recently.

Bush then finished his part of the speech by commenting on Zimbabwe. "You can’t have elections unless you're willing to put the results out," he said, referring to the recent election. He also said that "more leaders in the region need to speak out" on the situation in Zimbabwe.

Brown then started speaking. He said that the bond between the UK and the US was getting stronger. He then said that both countries are making a 'strenuous effort' in the Middle East.

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...who?
By itself, the article does not state who Gordon Brown is. Would you like to fix this (by fixing the headline, adding a wikilink, or both), or would you like me to? Booticon - (talk) 12:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


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Japan Airlines fined US$110 million for price fixing

April 17, 2008 After admitting to price fixing on cargo services between Japan and the United States, Japan Airlines (JAL) has been fined US$110 million by the United States Department of Justice.

Prosecutors allege JAL earned $2 billion illegally between 2000 and 2006, although it is possible the scheme was operating as early as 1995. British Airways, Korean Air and Qantas all previously admitted being involved and paid fines. The cartel, which created artificially high prices by eliminating competition between its members, was exposed by whistleblower Lufthansa, who alerted authorities in exchange for immunity to prosecution. Three other airlines are also involved.

JAL is the biggest carrier in Japan and the biggest carrier of cargo between Japan and the US.

Japan will not take any further action against the carrier. The investigation was performed by two US groups, the FBI and the Department of Justice.


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Alright, then let the market determine when it's ready, not subsidies. Fephisto - (talk) 21:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Biofuels
If he really ment to not use biofuels in the first then why did he he said him he was not going to use them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.116.62 (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Bio fuels are part of the problem not the solution
It is an unfortunate reality for developing countries like Brazil, but if we continue to clear any more rain forest we will destroy the most important eco system in the fight against climate change.

The Amazon has already lost over 232,000 square miles since the 1970's (Reference: http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/amazon_destruction.html)

In any case, Bio fuels are not sustainable. To grow them requires huge amounts of fossil fuels, which equal the emissions reduction of the end product.

This is even worse in Brazil because any land that is cleared or forest that is destroyed in the process releases millions of tonnes of CO2 which will only increase global warming and worst still damage the eco system we need to combat it.

The short term economic interests of the Government of Brazil can not be put in front of these facts. It is a terrible situation but if we persist in trying to live way beyond the planets capabilities for much longer we will push the global temperature rise over the projected limit of 2 degrees. Any more than this and we will see the breakdown of all the eco systems which give us life.

It is true that Bio fuels are not the only reason that global food prices have increased by 80% in the last 2 years but as with all elements in an eco system, it is all connected. And to solve this crisis we must stand together and tackle each of the causes, even if this means countries like Brazil lose out in the short term.

If we act now put pressure on our governments and the global corporations who profit so handsomely then we will be doing a great justice to our children and the future of our planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.94.74 (talk) 22:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


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YouTube accounts of Scientology critics suspended

April 18, 2008 Two well-known critics of Scientology have had their user accounts on the video sharing website YouTube suspended. The YouTube accounts of both Tory Christman and Mark Bunker were suspended this week. In a statement to Wikinews, YouTube explained why accounts are suspended, but did not specifically state why these particular accounts were suspended. Neither Christman nor Bunker received a notice or explanation from YouTube as to why their accounts were suspended.

On Tuesday April 15, Tory Christman a former Scientologist and volunteer for their Office of Special Affairs, and known as ToryMagoo44 on YouTube, had her account suspended for unknown reasons. On Wednesday, after complaints to YouTube from other YouTube users and from members of the group Anonymous, Christman's account was restored.

Wikinews confirmed Friday that Mark Bunker known as 'xenutv1' on YouTube, a television journalist and critic of Scientology, had his user account suspended. This is the second time that Bunker's account was suspended. He was formerly known as 'xenutv' when his account was suspended the first time.

"I want to see the complaint and on what grounds did YouTube suspend my account. I have done nothing on that account that would violate any of their terms and my videos and account should not have been pulled. The only caveat to this is my first account "XenuTV" was suspended a while back for a Stephen Colbert video I had from Comedy Central. At that time I created XenuTV1 and according to YouTube's terms you can only have one account. Any time I have ever been asked to remove something that may violate their terms for copyright materials, I comply immediately. It would be wrong and a misuse of power to pull my account because of this lone loophole in their terms," said Bunker exclusively to Wikinews.

Bunker, who is also the owner of the anti-Scientology website www.xenutv.com, has become known as Wise Beard Man to Anonymous. He was interviewed by Wikinews in February. Bunker started XenuTV in 1999 and began to make videos that he provided for the Lisa McPherson Trust. Bunker has been a critic of the Church of Scientology since 1997.

In 2006, he won a Regional Emmy Award after he and KUSI-TV news reporter Lena Lewis produced a documentary news video on the issues with the United States - Mexico border with San Diego, California.

With permission from Christman, Bunker responded to his account's suspension with a video post to her YouTube channel on Thursday. Bunker stated: "This afternoon at 2:41, I found out YouTube canceled my account. No justification was given to me, I got no notice from them, and there appears to be no recourse. And why did this happen? Because the Jason Beghe interview was about to be posted - and Scientology did not want anyone to see that. My tease for the Jason Beghe interview went up on Sunday, and by this afternoon we had almost six hundred thousand views, and it had been profiled in newscasts around the world. There is a lot of tension being drawn to this video, and Scientology wanted to stop it."

Jason Beghe is a television and film actor who joined Scientology in 1994. He gave USD1 million to the Church of Scientology over the years, and told Roger Friedman of FOX News that Scientology head David Miscavige called him "the poster boy for Scientology". Beghe appeared in promotional videos for Scientology in 2005. In April 2008 he left Scientology, and contacted Andreas Heldal-Lund, who put him in touch with Mark Bunker. Bunker arranged an interview with Beghe, which was uploaded to Bunker's YouTube account on April 7. The posted video is a 3-minute portion of a larger 3-hour interview with Beghe about his criticism of Scientology. In the video Beghe states: "Scientology is destructive and a rip-off. ... It’s very, very dangerous for your spiritual, psychological, mental, emotional health and evolution. "

In an interview with Wikinews, Tory Christman commented on the suspension of her account, and now Bunker's: "Well having worked for the Office of Special Affairs which is part of the Church of Scientology, they used to have me go out and open up phony accounts, I didn't know they were stopping free speech on the net but once I realized that ... I said 'I can't do this, I didn't get into Scientology to stop free speech'. ... I'm pretty sure, you know, I'm quite sure, that it's Scientology. That's what they do, that's their view is just 'shut em down' they have no morals on it or anything. They just figure 'screw em, shut em down'."

Christman said she found out her YouTube account had been suspended on Tuesday: "I came back from lunch at four and Mark called me and said 'Do you know your account is suspended?', and by the morning of yesterday it was back up."

When asked if she had received a notice about the suspension from YouTube, Christman responded: "I never got anything, and I've looked through everything, I never got any kind of a notice, either way. ... I never heard from YouTube either way - suspending it, or putting it back. And I've written them, and it was only put back thanks to Anonymous and all the critics and people that wrote in to them, I'm quite sure - Because tons of people did, it wasn't like they just put it back up."

"I would like to know, why was it suspended, why is Mark's suspended, what are the violations, okay, because if the Church of Scientology is just paying them off that's kind of weird, isn't it?," added Christman.

Wikinews asked Christman if she knew if the suspension of Bunker's account had anything to do with the interview with Jason Beghe: "Why Jason's video was pulled, I don't know, and I've spoken to Jason and he didn't know either."

She told Wikinews: "I would like to know why. Someone should have a right to be told 'you are screwing up on this, remove this video' ... 'change it'. But to never be notified and then just you're suspended, that's kind of weird, I think. And I have every intention of either, YouTube can contact me, or I'm going to keep contacting ... they need to let the people know what is going on."

A YouTube spokeswoman told Wikinews that they would respond to our e-mails "as soon as possible." Within two hours YouTube issued a statement to Wikinews saying that they "do not comment on individual videos."

"YouTube takes these issues very seriously but we don't comment on individual videos. Our general approach is simple: we have clear content policies about what videos are allowed on the site. For example we prohibit clips that infringe copyright or show extreme violence. Videos that breach these rules are removed and we disable all accounts belonging to repeat offenders," said a spokesperson for YouTube. When asked, YouTube did not state when or if Bunker's account will be reinstated.


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I am e-mailing youtube, Bunker and Christman. I am also uploading a screenshot. You can go to youtube and search for 'xenutv1' which is Bunker's account to see the red tag "account suspended.' DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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""I want to see the complaint and on what grounds did YouTube suspend my account. I have done nothing on that account that would violate any of their terms and my videos and account should not have been pulled. The only caveat to this is my first account "XenuTV" was suspended a while back for a Steven Cobert video I had from Comedy Central. At that time I created XenuTV1 and according to YouTubes terms you can only have one account. Any time I have ever been asked to remove something that may violate their terms for copyright materials, I comply immediately. It would be wrong and a misuse of power to pull my account because of this lone loophole in their terms.""
 * Mark Bunker:

"Hi Jason,
 * YouTube's first response (press@youtube.com):

I'll try to get back to you ASAP, but can you please let me know what is your deadline?

Thanks" DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

"Jason Safoutin wrote:
 * '''Critics respond via YouTube. E-mail sent to youtube for further response:

Hello xxxx. I must admit, that I have little time. there have been replies from both Mr. Bunker and Mrs. Christman posted to your website in their own videos.

In all fairness, I hope that YouTube would reply so that we may accurately report your side of the issue.

Thanks again, Jason Safoutin"

"We're doing our best to get back to you asap, we'll get you our statement once it's ready.

Thanks for your patience." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

"Here's our statement on the issue, attributable to a "YouTube spokesperson":

YouTube takes these issues very seriously but we don't comment on individual videos. Our general approach is simple: we have clear content policies about what videos are allowed on the site. For example we prohibit clips that infringe copyright or show extreme violence. Videos that breach these rules are removed and we disable all accounts belonging to repeat offenders." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Tory Christman: Interview performed on Skype.

 * Anonymous source: Information regarding 4chan.org. Close to operation so has to remain anonymous.

Image (screenshot)
I think the screenshot should be cropped so that it does not show other copyrighted material, such as Mozilla and Google and their logos. --SVTCobra 23:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Potential sources
Could be used as potential sources for stuff, if need be, will list below. Cirt - (talk) 23:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Tory Christman interview
Interview with Tory Christman took place on Skype, with and. The interview ran for 8:40 minutes and finished at 12:56 UTC April 18, 2008. Cirt - (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Digg IT
Digg IT!. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping
Ping
 * www.huliq.com
 * www.mister-info.com
 * mensnewsdaily.com
 * Formae Mentis.
 * Sydney Indymedia
 * silobreaker
 * anarchy.net
 * newsvine.com
 * reddit.com
 * daylife.com
 * World Student Press Agency

ToryMagoo suspended again
http://www.youtube.com/user/ToryMagoo44 ToyMagoo's account has been suspended again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talk • contribs)
 * Well I just checked and it appears to be accessible at the moment. Cirt - (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, aparently they were deleting ToryMagoo69 (a scientologist imitating tory) and they accedently deleted her account insted of the imposter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talk • contribs)
 * Ah, thanks for the clarification. Cirt - (talk) 08:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

FOX News

 * Neat that we got this article out before FOX News covered it - looks like they were doing a lot of the exact same research at the same time. Cirt - (talk) 09:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah looks like. Or they just changed what we had and added it to their site while we were waiting for replies. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's clear they did a bit of their own digging from the article. Cirt - (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's clear they did a bit of their own digging from the article. Cirt - (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Gawker.com

 * Minor tidbits of some info not in this article - looks like it was posted sometime around the same time that this article was published. A nice piece.  Cirt - (talk) 13:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Minor tidbits of some info not in this article - looks like it was posted sometime around the same time that this article was published. A nice piece.  Cirt - (talk) 13:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

 * 2 previous posts on the same topic at Gawker.com, in the category Jason Beghe. Cirt - (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 previous posts on the same topic at Gawker.com, in the category Jason Beghe. Cirt - (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 previous posts on the same topic at Gawker.com, in the category Jason Beghe. Cirt - (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Times Online

 * Wow, multiple major news sources have now piled on this story after we published. This is really neat to follow. Cirt - (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just wish we get quoted and also wish that they would give us the credit for breaking this story. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just wish we get quoted and also wish that they would give us the credit for breaking this story. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cause
Not sure if you can use this as any sort of appropriate source, but it's been said that the issue apparently arose because of a copyright infringement (featuring Stephen Colbert) on Mark Bunker's old account, combined with the fact that he's currently using a second account against regulations. It remains unclear who instigated the investigation that lead to a suspension on these grounds, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.210.48 (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well there is a bit of that info in this article already, and I'd rather no go changing the content of this article at this point, but it might be something potential for another article at some point. Cirt - (talk) 06:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip update

 * Will continue following this to see if it gets more exposure in mainstream news/media. Cirt - (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Will continue following this to see if it gets more exposure in mainstream news/media. Cirt - (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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I've removed this image because I would question the value of it to our readers. All it says is "Account suspended", there is no indication of whose account it refers to and so it doesn't really add much to the story. I'd also note that even to read the relevant part of the image readers have to click on the thumbnail. I don't think this benefits readers enough to justify it's inclusion or it's use under "fair use". Adambro - (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay no prob. Cirt - (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

New Account

 * http://de.youtube.com/user/xenutruth9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.180.216 (talk) 22:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is NOT a new account and it is NOT Mark Bunker. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip to interview Mark Bunker on radio program

 * Per the source, they will be discussing the events described in this article, the Jason Beghe interview video, Bunker's YouTube account being suspended, etc. Cirt - (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Per the source, they will be discussing the events described in this article, the Jason Beghe interview video, Bunker's YouTube account being suspended, etc. Cirt - (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bunker post on his blog 'My YouTube Account'

 * Lots of additional info here from Bunker himself. Cirt - (talk) 07:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lots of additional info here from Bunker himself. Cirt - (talk) 07:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Same post has more updates. And also some great detailed explanations here:, ,. Cirt (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Jason Beghe Interview at Xenu TV blog

 * Interview in 6 parts. Cirt - (talk) 10:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interview in 6 parts. Cirt - (talk) 10:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Brief post by Tony Ortega of The Village Voice on the release of the full interview. Cirt - (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Brief post by Tony Ortega of The Village Voice on the release of the full interview. Cirt - (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Also has links to prior articles on subject in same publication. Cirt - (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also has links to prior articles on subject in same publication. Cirt - (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay now the Los Angeles Times has taken notice. Cirt - (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay now the Los Angeles Times has taken notice. Cirt - (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Interesting article in FOX News. Cirt - (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting article in FOX News. Cirt - (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

'Help me, Stephen Colbert. You're my only hope'

 * Article discusses a little more about the Stephen Colbert connection to this whole thing, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Article discusses a little more about the Stephen Colbert connection to this whole thing, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

 * More on the Stephen Colbert connection. Cirt - (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * More on the Stephen Colbert connection. Cirt - (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

False Report
Bunker going down on youtube had nothing to do with Scientology but with the fact that Viacom shot him down for copyright violations not related to Scientology. Not that the truth would be of interest to anybody here. Misou - (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC) "If you wish to point out a problem in the article (e.g. factual error, etc), please use its normal talk page." Here you go. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Source, BTW, is Mark Bunker. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how your above statement has anything to do with anything specifically stated in this article itself. Cirt - (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

With Enough Money, You Can Circumvent YouTube’s TOS On Banned Accounts

 * Double-standards at YouTube? This source delves into that controversy a bit more, quite interesting.  Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Double-standards at YouTube? This source delves into that controversy a bit more, quite interesting.  Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

We don't know if this means they're no longer petitioning the service to take down clips it doesn't like, but Scientology says the purpose of its channel is to "share the truth about Scientology's beliefs with the general public."
 * An interesting question, citing the article in The Times - Jason Beghe Scientology video removed from YouTube. Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

XenuTV returns to YouTube

 * An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


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Say what?
"With permission from Christman, Bunker responded to his account's suspension." - Say what? Is there some hiarchy in Scientology criticism that I don't know about? Is everything Bunker says with permission from Christman? --SVTCobra 02:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


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