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welcome
Just wanted to say hi welcome to wikinews. As you may have noticed, many wikinewsies (myself included) have been misreable. Hopefully that will never happen again. I just felt like going arround and saying hi to people so I'll stop being the annoying admin you gets caught up in wheel wars. So welcome and happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice to meet you. Just out of curiosity, why did you switch from wikipedia to wikinews. I personnally like wikinews because its smaller, and you know a fair portain of the contributors quite well. (although at times like today that can be troubling) I also found more things I could do at wikinews (I personnally don't like to write stuff, so that kinda narrows it down in all wiki projects. But I found things like pictures and stuff. I should proabally also help out at commons more, but one thing at a time).

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Neutral Point of View versus Censorship of Information
Thank you for your comments. I am still wondering why the other sources don't mention this, but I'll leave it to someone else to deal with if you choose to put that info back into the article. best wishes, Neutralizer 12:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * With regard to this story, the other sources (India, Russia) are far from the event in Trinidad. Those sources likely had no access to the press release and would not be able to use it, unlike the local sources which are closer to the event and could be considered more reliable. Simply put, the fact that some sources didn't have that information doesn't imply that the information from the sources which did are providing incorrect information.  The information from a source can be used provided we make clear that the information is attributed to that source.  A source providing additional information is quite different from a source providing conflicting information.  That distinction is what makes the press release comments into additional information and possibly worthy of mention.  No source was clear about what caused the explosion, but that lack of information doesn't constitute a reason to remove the reporting of how many and who has been arrested in connection to it.  I personally don't see a need to report any suspects' nationality in this instance, but I do see the fact that after 3 similar events that this event was the first in which arrests were reported (not just questioned and released).  If later the five are released, then that could be a new story.  It could very well be that the five were arrested so it would appear that progress is being made in the investigation - but that remains to be seen. That possibility is still no reason to exclude the fact that they were arrested in the first place. As far as I can tell, only one person thought the arrests should not have been mentioned, and I did not see any reasoning behind that action. Karen 09:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * ok; you convinced me. Neutralizer 14:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for discussing the Issue II
Thank you for thanking me! You're quite right that we should perhaps be more fleixible -- working on that. I wrote the orignal version of the article you were referring to and all the information I included (including the references to the arrested individuals) was properly sourced. I understand your frustration. Generally, when I write the first draft of an article, I simply write it and leave it -- else I become upset with what others are doing to my work (which is the wrong attitude on my part). Best wishes. Please let me know if I can help you in any other way. --Chiacomo (talk) 18:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Kansas article (To split a story, or not to split...)
May I suggest you compare the current article version with this one? - Amgine / talk 05:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for mentioning the story's split, Amgine. Either way, I think it would work well - I just think the work you did on the article made it reasonable enough (even with the FSM included) to be a good (NPOV) story.  Since I didn't contribute to any of the story, don't give much weight to my opinion, other than I think it's not as controversial as others think it to be -- ie. if the consensus of all contributers agree, run the story as-is.  However, that's not the course of action that was taken; again since I didn't contribute, even if I objected to splitting, don't give it much weight.  However, seems to work.  It's typical of newspapers to run mulitple stories on different aspects of one topic, especally in a situation like this.  Karen 05:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I suggested another article earlier on. I'm not opposed to the split, although I think a bit of mention of the FSM makes a good background for the copyright article as well. Actually, if there is a consensus of contributors to run an article which is in violation of the community standards, as an admin I have to oppose it even when I happen to agree with the editors. If that consensus of contributors changes the community standards (through established practice,) then the article can fly, but not before. - Amgine / talk 05:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The arguement of NPOV hinges on just how much the intelligent design topic is a part of the copywrite permission story, and if the FSM section is overly-promoted or not worth placing into the story. It's not so much of a matter of changing established practices as it is agreeing on what those practices are.  As far as I could tell, the article was NPOV after your edits. But to avoid the whole arguement (NPOV issues seem to appear any time anyone's offended - and my take on that is to include more alternate opinions, not remove them.), splitting the story was a good call and an established standard practice. I'm not convinced the story violated any standard practice just before the split - but we both seem to agree that it could have run without the split had it not been for others' complaining.  It seems to me that by complaining to remove material, the story's POV is shifted away from being neutral.  As you can tell from other discussions here, I believe readers should see more points of view instead of only the ones that don't offend. Karen 07:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The two stories seem to compliment each other and perhaps everyone is happy this way. But what if readers (or editors, since any reader can edit) take offence to something in the second article?  For instance, I could be offended by the suggestion that The Flying Spaghetti Monster has gender bias because it is porayed as having the male attributes of two meat balls, or simply that I embrace FSM far more seriously than its creators do and believe the story belittles FSMism.  If for some odd reason I was in the majority, does that suddenly make the second story also not NPOV?  If everyone's to be made happy, they'll have to either have their viewpoint included in this second story or have a nother split story that everyone thinks is NPOV.  The point is that the NPOV standard can't be defined well enough or interpreted well enough for us to make the decision to run the story after all the revisions without splitting it - so it had to be done for the betterment of all, not because of community standards - but to make the community happy.  This tends toward majority mob rule when repeated enough times. Karen 08:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Help on new article ?
Regarding the new article:

US state of Kansas in battle over "Intelligent Design" in education

The identical action has now been taken by MrMiscellanious, that is, he marked it as NPOV and sent it back to development. It still contains both POVs, so I don't know what he is complaining about. Could you please take a look and offer your opinion ? StuRat 15:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In its current form, US state of Kansas in battle over "Intelligent Design" in education seems to have satisified the original objections of MrMiscellanious. FSM seems to get just slightly more of the story than it deserves, but the story does cover all sides of this news event - the battle.  The story introduces the issue well and leads directly into a discussion (as seen in its discussion page), and seems to be written by a neutral perspective.  Reporting POV's is different from stating a POV and then perhaps stating a counter-claim and denying its validity without quoting facts or sources.  MrMiscellanious does seem over-sensative about the expression of some POV's, even when done properly in a story.  As long as someone responds to his actions with discussion questions and slight modifications, if he doesn't respond, then the issue should be counted resolved.  I'm sorry I did not respond sooner; I haven't been around for the last week to be of any help. Because of the teamwork, the two stories (in their final forms) seem to have perspective without having a single POV.  Karen 20:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Legally Blond ("My name is Blond, James Blond.")
I now realize I'm not legally blonde... thx :) Edbrown05 21:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * sorry, i amuse myself sometimes.... Edbrown05 21:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey - Thanks for the note here! I don't really like to change back something unless there's a reason it was that way to start. Sorry I reverted your correction (which would have been correct if the victim was male). I do hate to 'undo' the thoughtfulness of others' contributions ( Pennsylvania couple murdered; daughter abducted ) but in this case: Blonde vs. Blond - The word “blonde” is the word for a female with yellow hair, and “blond” is the word for a male with the same color hair. Karen 21:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In common US usage, blond and blonde are used interchangably. Also, either is appropriate in adjectival use for either gender, which this was. - Amgine 21:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

If so, then leave it as it was originally and stop reverting reversions. Or how about if there's two choices, follow the one that's more formally correct? See above. Karen 21:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, did I revert a revert? if so, I'll back it out. - Amgine 21:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I did. Sorry I did that; if I'd seen the original change I'd have done the same, with the same summary. - Amgine 22:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

AP source says "blond", but story's creator said "blonde". Edbrown05 says "blond", then I reverted to "blonde", then Amgine reverted to "blond", then I reverted to "blonde". Uh... What next? Hehehe! I'm only defending my reversion because of the silly formal rule and because the story's creator changed AP's wording. Otherwise, I don't think I'd be that picky. Sorry for all the confusion, but thanks for all the fun! Karen 22:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't know it was all that! Now I'm really laughing! -Edbrown05 22:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

As a foot note, my hair is naturally brown - a “brunette”. If you were male with brown hair, would that make you a “brunet”? English lets us be truly silly. Karen 22:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm writing up a version of style guides; I'll have to make sure to add blond/blonde but I'm not adding brunet/brunette unless I have citations! - Amgine 22:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

time warp
No matter how much I try, it still takes just a second. -Edbrown05 07:46, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I hate when that happends - Earth slowing down and all… At least we were able to reach a consensus about the problem. Karen 21:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

City names in headlines
In Talk:Oklahoma City suburbs on fire you stated that "Unique city names need not be further defined by country within the headline." and i agree with. however there is another similar dispute in this article. i can't revert due to the fact that i've already done so 3 times. i was hoping you would change it back to Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested which is the proper name. Ciudad Juárez was named after Benito Juárez, one of Mexico's most important political figures in their history. Absolutely a unique name and a major city. thanks. --MateoP 00:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Karen. I am on the other side of the debate, and feel that many readers won't know that Ciudad Juárez is in Mexico unless so identified in the title.  I also feel that mentioning that the victim was not only raped, but raped and murdered, is important enough for inclusion in the title.  That is why I changed the title to what I believe to be the reasonable Rape and murder suspects in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico arrested.  If you agree, no change is needed.  I would appreciate your comments in either case, however. StuRat 00:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's never wrong to add extra information to a headline. However, I still belive that if the city's name is unique (even if it's a small city), the country name isn't required. In the case of Ciudad Juárez, I know it's in Mexico and I know no other city has that name - so I don't believe the country name is needed in the headline. But I adamantly believe that some background about the event's location (including country) should be within the first sentence of the story.

Arguing that the determination should be based on city population or some assumption of reader knowledge is absurd to me. I think a better criteria needs to be used. In the case of this article, I think the headline is fine either way. I'd definately add the country name if the city name in the headline wasn't unique. Karen 17:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Adminship!
Would you accept a nomination for adminship on en.Wikinews? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 05:35, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would. Although I'm happy just to make corrections when I see mistakes, I'd also be willing to learn how to make admin changes in good judgement. I don't entirely envy the position - seems like a lot of work for  admins sometimes. Karen 01:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 *  I will nominate you immediately. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 03:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You are nominated! You'll need to accept the nomination on the RFA page as well... and thanks! -  Amgine | talk en.WN 03:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, you are now an admin. Please review our policies before using your new powers, if you have not already done so. If you have any questions please feel free to ask me or any other admin. --Cspurrier 20:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Congratulations Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 20:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Stealth contributor makes Admin! Pictures at 11!  Heh, congratulations. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Opium production - an all-time high
Sorry for being so verbose at the article talk page but you are the first reader of the 6 stories about this who seemed to be interested. Opium appears to have been used as a geopolitical tool for effecting US geopolitical foreign policy for a long time now. If you wish to get answers to the "unanswered questions" you mention, it is not that difficult, however I have been met with opposition to providing information useful in getting answers in our articles because of our natural pro-USA slant on news. You may want to start by reading the related articles and all the sources where you will find support for my opinion that the coalition is not trying to stop opium production;e.g. "Kazai said. 'Where international money and creation of forces for destruction of poppies was concerned, it was ineffective and delayed and half-hearted.'" But in terms of answering the "why" the topic broadens out into an alternative view of the modus operandi of the people who have led american government foreign policy most of the time since the early 1800s; and whose level of control is at a high point right now. If you want more info on "opium as a foreign policy tool" after reading the related articles, please let me know. Neutralizer 12:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I went on holiday at some point and missed this until recently. Personally, I'm not as interested in USA's reasons for most anything, but I do recall ads from the US going on about how buying drugs supports terrorism - then they stopped playing entirely and seem to have faded out of existance since the US overthrew Iraq's government some three years ago.  I was interested mostly in how to research and source reliable information for the story that started this discussion.  I'll have to read your suggested articles and go back and re-read the story to see if it's changed since I left on my latest grand adventure.  I'm mostly back now - still have to unpack, but at least the computer's warm again.  Karen 14:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * (regarding the title of this section) Hah! irid:t 03:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews Audio Speex louder
I was just reading your talk page the other day. Weird. Pleased you see you're not a sock puppet, either. :)
 * I've been here long enough that I can start making fun of people. I really didn't follow who called who a sock puppet, but thought it'd be funny to add it to my user page - considering how slick Amgine would have to be if I were his sock puppet by nominating me for adminship after a few long discussions and small edit wars with him (carefully orchestrated for maximum effect, of course :). I didn't quite understand the exchange about the babel boxes, either. We'd all better just learn Esperanto and forget the bother of having our own culture and language.  Yes, I realize multi-lingual persons are a great resource in this setting; I'm just not well versed in anything but English.  Karen 20:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I realize the level was pretty low; I've been sick, and my apartment is noisy. If I had increased the level, there would have been a lot of obvious background stuff going on. However, I think I figured out a good place to do my recordings. I'm looking forward to that; I'll be able to crank the level pretty good at that point.
 * What's funny is that at first I didn't know it was your recording, then I'm cheering for you to show these guys how it's done just before I realize it was your recording that I was criticizing! When I must increase the gain to hear, then get blasted when I play a video game or song, it makes me cranky. I consider -40 dB to be radio silence, you see.  Karen 20:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Speex would be awesome. If only it wouldn't segfault on my Linux sound machine. Oh well. I guess I'll get a plugin for dBPowerAMP. irid:t 09:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * My biggest reason for wanting Speex is that it's easier to download or stream from dialup. Besides that convenience, intellectually I want the format (Codec) to fit the purpose - and for Speex, that's human speech. What can we do? Produce both formats for awhile (hosting Speex files elsewhere) until Wikimedia Foundation will allow Wikinews to host Speex files?  Karen 20:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly what my user page says. :) I've been thinking about this for a while and I've wanted to host the Speex files on my site, as a demonstration of how bandwidth efficient the files are. In any case. Speex can use the Ogg container format for storage, so we could "sneak" them onto commons before people really notice. The only downside being that people with players like Winamp would just get garbage on the other end if they didn't know it wasn't a Vorbis file... irid:t 20:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't Winamp natively play all Oog? I suspect I should do more homework instead of speculating. How about you create both types and post the Speex format somewhere where you can monitor the usage (how many downloads) and see how it goes?  I'll certainly try it on as many computers, operating systems, and applications as I can - for instance, Media Player should be able to play Speex if the correct codec is installed.  If a modern version of Winamp will play Speex (I'm assuming it will) without having to download any additional codec or plug-in, then that's one less obsticle for users to overcome.  Karen 21:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Winamp natively supports Ogg Vorbis. The thing about Vorbis is that it is a stream format contained within the Ogg Container format. You can theoretically put anything into an Ogg file if you format the data correctly. You can even multiplex different streams of data (with different types) in an Ogg container. That's what Ogg was originally meant to do. Theora, a video codec, fits inside of Ogg as well, typically multiplexed with a Vorbis audio stream. Anyway. Winamp doesn't really understand that the extension ".ogg" can mean something other than Vorbis. So it tries to decode the file using the Vorbis decoder, and you end up with a bunch of noise instead of speech. Or, it just doesn't decode the file at all, and you get a "0 minutes 0 seconds" file. (ahem) Anyway. I'm sure there's a Speex codec for Winamp, but most people won't have it. And anyway, I don't know if Winamp will ever support having two different decoders for the same extension. A player like xine or VLC would, though... irid:t 21:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So far I have been able to record and encode Speex, and play it back with Windows Media Player and XMMS. I couldn't get anything on Mac OS X to play it, but there may be a way to use XMMS to do it. I wasn't able to use Winamp to play back my Speex files at all. At this point, I can listen to them via stream and direct from a file.  Karen 13:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is news to me that Windows Media player will play back Speex files. Does it do that without the DirectPlay filters? My concern is that most people won't have the ability to play these files out of the box. Sorry for my delay; I've been out of town. irid:t 22:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's with the DirectPlay filter. I downloaded it from here. Karen 23:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Tag removal - is it illegal?
Hi Karen. Is it cool to remove the tag from Talk:ETA_declares_permanent_cease-fire? --elliot_k 13:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Oui! Er, Sí! The award-winning Cspurrier should have removed the tag when he removed the Reuters translation. Anyone can and should remove the tag/flag whenever the issue is resolved. I'm sorry I was unable to do the work myself. Next time I might give it a try using the online translator and someone more adept can fix the details.

 * I removed the tag just now (16:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC) Alright, I overslept) and put some comments and questions in the talk section. :Thank you for working on that article, elliot_k - you could have removed the flag, but it was kind of you to leave me this note. Karen

 * Cool. Thanks. Some good CATEGORIES. I really think Wikinews need a better decent central point for categories. --elliot_k 17:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I left the flag on because the issue should still attract community attention. We should have a translated copy of the statement. I was unable to find any Spanish speakers with time to translate it online when I removed the statement. I left the flag on with the hope some Spanish speaker would find it and translate it. --Cspurrier 15:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If the article went from being flagged for copyright to being flagged for need of a translator, moving the flag from the talk section mentioning copyright to the section that mentioned the translator need would have let any reader of the talk pages know that the initial reason the article was flagged wasn't the current problem. One of my earliest gripes was that it seemed the higher up in rank one was at Wikinews, the less likely one was to make use of the discussion page after making major edits. But then I'm a bit picky on that, so am probably too critical about it. I typically write more in the discussion section about what I'm doing in the article than I've written in the article, itself.

 * I also flagged Talk:BBC_announce_TV_highlights_for_Christmas_2005 because it's still being shown as "in development". If anyone knows how to resolve that one, please leave a comment in its talk section so I can learn how to do stuff better around here. Karen 22:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You are 100% right we shoud use the talk pages more :). I was working on the print edition when I found it, and half a sleep at the same time, so I was a bit lazy about it.--Cspurrier 22:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Show me and tell me
What admins can do and why, as determined from the actions of admins who didn't mention what to do or what they have done in the talk page.
 * Marking and unmarking an article for community attention
 * Marking an article abandoned
 * Welcoming a user with

None of the things on your list require the person to be an admin, --Cspurrier 21:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * is documented at m:Help:Template it can be escaped by surrounding it with   tags.
 * the abandoned tag is explained at Template_messages/Disputes
 * the marking and unmarking of an article for community attention has no real documentation or policy. It was created after someone proposed it ot on the water cooler. People are expected to use common sense when determining what to mark, and for how long it is to be left marked.

At some point an admin will learn these things - I expect that other admins will eventually disclose these tools to newer admins, even if it doesn't take an admin to use them once they are discovered. A brief explaination of how and why in the talk section of an article will go along way toward showing others how and when to use what.
 * Which section of Help:Contents contains help on HTML where the   tags can be discovered? An HTML section should be added to the help page since escaping isn't limited in use to  tags.
 * Where can a list of tags be found? They are not listed completely at Help:Variable -  is not listed there.
 * If an article can be marked as abandoned without a dispute, why would the abandoned tag only be listed on the dispute page? (Or if it's listed elsewhere, where? Same as  tags, aren't limited to use where they are documented.)
 * Since you bring up how long a mark should stay, I'm wondering if I have used common sense when I've determined what to mark and how long to mark it. (If I have not, which instances have I failed?)
 * Common sense may be expected when determining what to mark, but where are the list of marks/tags/flags so we know what we can mark?
 * Generally: If it's in the documentation, is it buried? Is it easier to document by example when making major edits or status changes, or instead  write complete documentaion in the help section?
 * Specifically: If a particular type of resource is available, is there a complete listing of that type which can be found with reasonable inspection of the help page? What's in our toolboxes?
 * With regard to being told by an admin that categories must be placed into each article, can a complete list of the categories be placed in the help section or in a section regarding the creation of articles?

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Categories
Yes this is something I am interested willing to helping to organise. Wikinews_talk:Categories_and_topic_pages...

Thanks!
Hi Karen... just wanted to let you know that your edits fixing up grammar are very welcome. A misspelled word or a poorly worded sentence make our articles look very unprofessional, and your contribution greatly enhances the quality. Thanks! - Borofkin 23:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

More than 256 story edits so far! I find mistakes on other news sites when I read their stories. Wikinews just happends to not only have the most mistakes, but allows me to edit them as well. Thanks for your note here, Borofkin. Karen 01:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Help correcting sub-cats
Hi Karen,

You fixed the cats on an article I submitted, Candace Parker double dunks, makes basketball history. I just made a bit of a mess in my attempt to streamline by creating sub-cats. Would you be willing to take a look and help me fix this. Evidently I'm not clear on how to create the hierarchical relationship. Here's the bottom cat/page: Category:Women's basketball/NCAA Women's Basketball/Tennessee Lady Vols basketball THANKS Deeb 21:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

 * It looks like your sub-cats are nicely created - you either learned how and did it or someone else helped you. I see how it's done now. I'll know next time someone asks! Nice job on the story, by the way! Karen 00:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Oil prices surge over $75 a barrel to a record high

April 21, 2006

prices surged to a new record of over $75.00 a barrel on Tuesday closing at a price of $75.17. In Europe, rose to $74.59. In less than a month, prices have risen $10, back to the record highs set after Hurricane Katrina caused refineries to shut down in August 2005. Prices are also 42% higher than a year ago.

Political instability in oil-producing countries is seen as a major cause of this rise. The standoff over 's nuclear program has led to strong words being exchanged and a possibility of sanctions being imposed on Iran, the world's fourth largest producer of oil. Violence in earlier this year has led to a drop the country's production by almost a quarter. Nigeria is Africa's largest oil exporter and is also a major supplier of gasoline-rich crude oil to the United States, where demand is set to increase as the "driving season" begins next month.

Edmund Daukoru, the president of OPEC and Nigerian oil minister said on Tuesday, "The current shoot up we are experiencing is as a result of the Iran problems and it's not helped by the flare up between Israel and the Palestinians. But mainly it's the threatening statements being made against Iran as a result of its nuclear program."


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Talk:New Zealand, Australia fly in extra personnel to help quell Solomon Island riots

The story is primarily about the Solomon Islands and not New Zealand (or Australia) so I have removed the side-bar about New Zealand. --203.122.200.87 01:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there needs to be another article/an expansion in this article to cover the fact that the violence started in Honiara, where it has mostly been brought under control for the moment by the curfews, but has now spread to the province of Auki, as per. 203.26.177.2 15:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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Four Korean women accuse JMS leader Jeong Myeong-seok of rape

April 18, 2006

Four South Korean women have accused (Hangul: 정명석, Hanja: 鄭明析), the leader of the  organization JMS, of rape.

The four women were crying and wearing hats, sunglasses and mouth masks to cover their faces. Gim Du-hyeong (金度珩), the former leader of EXODUS, accompanied them on the press conference held in,.

EXODUS is a South Korean non-governmental organization against JMS, formed by former members of JMS. EXODUS had been tracing Jeong Myeong-seok in many nations for many years.

Gim Du-hyeong stated that Jeong Myeong-seok was an instructor for the International Sung-gong Association under. According to other sources, in March 1980, Jeong left the Unification Church and established Ae-Chun Church. Later, the name changed and the organization reached the world. Jesus Morning Star (JMS), International Christian Association (ICA), and Global Association Of Culture and Peace (GACP), are all closely related organizations.

The organization operates worldwide, primarily on university campuses. There are 240 branches of the church in Korea alone, and there are organizations in almost all universities.

Gim said the major branch of these colorable religious organizations, Jesus Morning Star (JMS), was named after the acronym of Jeong's romanized name, "JMS". Gim also said Jeong established and exploited the evil dogma of "salvation through intercourse" to rape countless women from Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Malaysia.

Jeong Myeong-seok was born in Wolmyeong-dong in. Gim said that Wolmyeong-dong was later claimed a sacred place by JMS. And before Jeong fled Korea, he had been living lavishly and promiscuous here.

In September 2001 Jeong Myeong-seok was charged with sexual assault by the Korean government and left the country. In November, the Taiwane version of covered the story of "Korean cult leader raped over hundred Taiwanese female college students". Members of Exodus soon came to Taiwan and held a press conference with an involved woman in local. Gim said, under heavy critics of Taiwan media, Jeong fled to Hong Kong, and still kept raping Korean women who came to visit him. He was arrested by local Immigration Department in 2003 July, but escaped to Mainland China on his 100,000 USD bail. Jeong was still wanted by.

Gim said, since then Jeong have been staying in one of four lavish villas in, province.

Gim said, on April 2 He had a group sex with more than 50 women from Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and China. Jang and Gim, two of these women, fell for the invitation of a Taekwondo performance, and were also raped and injured badly in crotch.

The two women escaped on April 4 and tried to take plane back to Korea. Jeong's gang attempted to kidnap them, but they were saved by Chinese police, and returned Korea for treatment on 7.

Then, four other presenters cried out and accused Jeong had sexually violated them in Hong Kong, Malaysia and mainland China. They demand media's effort to prompt international community to bring Jeong to justice.

Press conference on April 18
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Reports from Taiwan and Hong Kong
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 * (Jeong was covered by media in Taiwan on November)
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Talk:Distributed computing climate change model gives bleak results

Recently, authors of the project admitted that they have made a fatal error in the program, so the project should be completely recalculated Thus, the article looses any ground.

 * Fatal error? hardly. A single header in a single file which will require a re-run of the models. Yes, it may cost a couple months of calculations. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 04:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * But you belive that the results will be the same? :)

 * I would retract the findings before I re-run the model, because my (or yours) beliefs have nothing to do with what is called "scientific results".

 * I agree with the anonymous commentor. The problem is not that it takes months to rerun calculations; the problem is that the current result is meaningless. Therefore the description of the results of experiments, as is, is misleading. Cema 04:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It struck me greatly that nobody from the commentators above had not apparently attempted to contact the authors of the paper in question before posting (especially the one with a pathetic statement about beliefs vs scientific results). Well, I did. What follows below in italic is the essence of the authors comment:

''The paper in Nature was based on simulations carried out as part of the first climateprediction.net experiment which looked at the response of the model to doubling the atmospheric CO2 concentrations. We now have well over 100000 simulations of this sort without any errors of the sort you refer to.''

''In February 2006 we launched an experiment in collaboration with the BBC which was designed to simulate the period 1920 to 2080. The error you refer to applies only to these simulations i.e. only simulations started in the last 3 months.''

So in answer to your question, the recent error has no relevance at all to the results presented in Nature 433, 403-406 (2005) so there is no reason to send an erratum.

I believe that this point nicely completes the discussion.


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Talk:Oil prices surge over $75 a barrel to a record high

hey. just a question: by saying "political instability is to blame"... can you back that up, yo?

Tom12384 06:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)clarence 13x

Political instability is to blame
I seem to be going through this more often now that wikinews has grown a bit. I don't write business articles in a scholastic essay sort of way, such as how wikipedia is written. I tend to write them toward a business style. This occasionally rouses the anticorporate wikiuser into a frenzy. I wrote Political instability is to blame because that is what the analysts are saying, if you want proof of that read any article on the subject. The idea behind it is that if the government or general organization of the country in question goes chaotic it'll make transporting oil out of the country problematic, such as priates (yes they do exist), sabotage to keep the opositing political party from profiting, sabotage to get the world's attention, lack of drivers willing to risk their lives to drive the necessary trucks, lack of workers to pump the oil, pipeline mayhem, etc. --Sfullenwider 19:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

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The title on the article is misleading. It says that prices surge $75 (e.g. increase by $75) per gallon and 'prices surge to record high of $75' would be clearer. I'd change it but I don't know if that would affect the link on the main page. 24.97.8.72 22:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the title....Let me know if its better :) Jason Safoutin 22:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

oil prices are surging because iran may be or is being attacked by USA

 * 19:58, 21 April 2006 DragonFire1024 (related story has nothing to do with current story...if you disagree...revert.)

The text of the story says that the reason for the surge is:
 * Political instability in oil-producing countries is seen as a major cause of this rise. The standoff over Iran's nuclear program has led to strong words being exchanged and a possibility of sanctions being imposed on Iran, the world's fourth largest producer of oil. ... The current shoot up we are experiencing is as a result of the Iran problems and it's not helped by the flare up between Israel and the Palestinians. But mainly it's the threatening statements being made against Iran as a result of its nuclear program.

So the claims that US is involved in and/or supporting terrorist groups (POV of US-State-Department) in killing people in Iran is surely related to the surge in petrol prices. Surely violation of territorial sovereignty by people with guns is related to "threats against" Iran.

You could argue that there's no externally documented claim that the oil market is aware of the claims of territorial sovereignty infringement. Sure: that's why it's only a related story, not part of the article itself. On the other hand, the claims of the attacks having already started are being made by many different sources - even a member of Congress has publicly written to Bush - so it's hard to believe that the oil market people are not aware of this.

So yes, i'm reverting:

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PS: Using Sfullenwider's terminology of political instability: armed opposition groups/freedom fighters/terrorists running around killing government soldiers/regime defenders is not exactly political stability. Boud 22:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Who makes the money off of expensive oil?
Saudis and Bush Family and pals have made money off of high oil prices I think.

Who were the 2 groups that created the hostile environment leading up to the 9/11 attacks? Saudi monarchs who financed and encouraged extremists like bin Laden; and oil men like Bush and Cheney who did everything possible to insult and antagonize the other side like keeping US bases on Saudi Arabian holy ground. Scotland Yard says to find out who is really behind any crime, you have to "Follow the Money".

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White House press secretary McClellan resigns; advisor Rove reassigned

April 20, 2006 White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan announced his resignation on Wednesday, and advisor Karl Rove has given up his policy-making duties, continuing a series of personnel changes in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.

"I have given it my all sir and I have given you my all sir, and I will continue to do so as we transition to a new press secretary," said McClellan, who has served as press secretary since July 2003. He is expected to remain on the job until his replacement is named. Among people under consideration to replace McClellan include Fox News anchor Tony Snow, former Treasury spokesman Rob Nichols, and former Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke.

Rove, who was instrumental in managing Bush's two presidential campaigns, will serve as a deputy chief of staff and senior advisor to President Bush, focusing on long term strategic planning, according to CNN, which quoted a senior White House official. Joel Kaplan, the acting deputy budget director of the Office of Management and Budget, has been named to succeed Rove.

McClellan's departure comes shortly after the resignation of longtime Chief of Staff Andrew Card and the appointment of Josh Bolten, former director of the Office of Management and Budget, as Card's replacement. More personnel changes are expected in the next few weeks.

Bush announced Tuesday that trade representative Rob Portman will assume Bolten's former position as head of the OMB.


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There's no 'why' in this story and the CNN report doesn't say much more. Why are people resigning, giving up policy making? For people outside America who haven't been following it, these well known names resigning needs more explanation ClareWhite 08:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, to be honest, it's not crystal clear here either as to the "why," IMHO. The blogosphere would probably attribute it to an attempt by the administration to reverse Bush's declining poll numbers.  Or it could just be coincidence, White House staff getting burned out.  I'm not sure.  Feel free to dig around, and if you find out "why," tell us.  :)  KeithH 22:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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UK Political Parties discuss green issues in run up to local elections

April 20, 2006

The main political parties in the United Kingdom have been battling fiercely over environmental issues in the run up to the local council elections on May 4th. David Cameron, the new leader of the Conservative Party, has been talking up his party's green credentials under the slogan 'vote blue to go green', ahead of his 'fact-finding' trip to Norway to see a shrinking glacier. Meanwhile, Chancellor Gordon Brown, widely considered to be the next Labour leader, has been discussing green issues and policies ahead of his trip to the US, where he will deliver speeches at the UN, G7 and IMF. The Liberal Democrat party, who have the longest track record of supporting green policies, haven't been quite as active, with leader Ming Campbell criticised for being slow to give up his 'gas-guzzling' car.

The political wrangling between Labour and the Tories intensified after Labour produced a party political broadcast, shown on tv, which portrayed David Cameron as a chameleon, changing his colours to appeal to his audience but remaining blue underneath. Margaret Beckett MP, Labour's Environment Secretary, accused Cameron of a 'flip-flop', criticising him for voting against the Cleaner Neighbourhoods and Environment Act. The Liberal Democrats suggested that Cameron is merely 'posturing' and said the government has done nothing on issues like aviation emissions.

The Green Party, which has no MPs but has MEPs and London Assembly members, said that Cameron "gave tokenism a bad name" and was fooling no-one. Green Party speaker Keith Taylor attacked Cameron's record on actual green policies, contrasting his rhetoric of the environment being a "top priority" with his support for airport expansion and road-building.

Cameron has also hinted that he is unsure about the idea of building new nuclear power stations, which the Tories have long supported. Blair still claiming not to have decided on the issue either, the political debate on this issue is yet to get really started.


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Any reason why the title is misspelled? Should be 'receives' and 'anti-free-speech'. George W. Bush would also avoid confusion with George Herbert Walker Bush. 72.224.253.190 15:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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Native protesters repel police raid in Caledonia, Ontario

April 20, 2006

Just before 5 a.m. EDT (0900 UTC) on Thursday, Ontario Provincial Police officers armed with guns, tasers, tear gas, and pepper spray stormed the area that dozens of Six Nations protesters have occupied for the past 52 days.

"People were pepper sprayed...another man was shot in the back with a Taser and we were told more police officers would be coming back," said protester Hazel Hill.

"The police just completely swarmed the territory," said protester Mike Desroches, adding that the officers entered with guns drawn. No shots were fired.

"They swarmed every which way, I couldn't even hazard a guess how many cops," said another man, Clyde Powless. The protesters have been unarmed since the beginning of the occupation, although a police statement said some officers needed medical attention for injuries sustained "while confronted by the protesters with […] axes, crowbars, rocks and a various assortment of make-shift batons".

OPP Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon confirmed that 16 people were arrested before protesters called in reinforcements that caused police to retreat. A spokeswoman for the protesters, Janie Jamieson, made it clear that the confrontation was not over. "We're prepared ... for however long it takes," she said.

Protesters started a huge tire fire to block the road in an attempt to prevent a further incursion by the police. A dump truck was also stopped astride the road and roadblocks set up to prevent the passage of traffic.

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Mayan mob lynch couple in Guatemala

April 20, 2006

A man and a woman were lynched and burned to death by a furious Guatemalan mob who attacked them. Around 800 people snatched the couple from a jail in a village, 25 miles southwest of Guatemala City, where they were being held for attempting to kidnap a 7-year-old boy.

A police spokeman said, "The people […] took them out of the jail, beat them until they were unconscious, and then burned them with gasoline before anyone could intervene".

In the past, many crimes have been committed in Guatemala by mobs and local criminals. In 2000, a Japanese tourist and a Guatemalan bus driver were killed after being attacked by a mob who thought they were there to kidnap children. Lynch mobs have killed about 360 people in the impoverished and crime-ridden Guatemala since 1996, when it emerged from a 36-year civil war that killed about 200,000 people, mostly Mayan peasants.

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Talk:Mayan mob lynch couple in Guatemala

It's extremely outrageous what those uneducated local mobs did in Guatemala. Whatever the crime, committed by this couple, was, this kind of attack and death(TV video is absolutely outrageous) is disgusting and the epitomy of human surliness and atrocity. Zorba 19:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

"atrocities"
in the title to be changed to "gruesome" or something similar, perhaps? "atrocities", plural; does not appear to be applicable here. Doldrums 19:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Every logical person would consider this event as an "atrocity". Where is the problem? Isn't this subjective? Obviously it is gruesome but there is no doubt at all that it is an atrocity and a disgusting behaviour. You should have seen the Television video. Zorba 19:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * for one thing, it is an atrocity, singular, not atrocities, plural, as the title currently reads. Doldrums 19:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, then I must be illogical, because I have to agree with Doldrums here. And you say it yourself, "Isn't this subjective?"  Yes, it is, and that's the problem.  Maybe it's me, but when I think of "atrocity," I think of Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, and Adolf Hitler...  My point is, the word "atrocity" evokes emotions, implies something extraordinarily bad, and it means different things to different people.  What is an atrocity to one may just be a crime to another.  I might use "atrocity" in my blog were I to write about this event, but here, where the language needs to be as emotionally neutral as possible, I'd use "crime" or "lynch mob."  KeithH 06:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

On Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic and Adolf Hitler's various disgusting atrocities we should add the atrocities of the NATO and US army in Yugoslavia and Iraq. Ok then, "crime" if you prefer. No problem at all:) Zorba 15:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:Rapper Proof (D12) shot and killed outside Detroit nightclub

A lot could be added from the sources I added; I'll do this if and when I get time, but if you're reading this, go for it. I live in the area where this story took place and I will try to get a picture of the club today or, more likely, tomorrow. DavidConrad 20:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This is now an old article, it should not be edited anymore as it has been published for some time. A secondary mission of wikinews is to provide a picture of the news based on what was known at the time.  Policy is to protect articles once they are 14 days old, but practice is to leave them pretty much alone once they're published for a few hours and not coverage of a breaking event.  Ooops. :-)  Didn't know this was still hanging around without a publish tag, by all means update based on new sources - but bump the date on the article before publishing. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I need an edit
This article has references, but, no -- The references in this article cannot be displayed. SQL (talk) 04:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Will convert to source. Cirt (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


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