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I went to see how much the eBay bid stood at and I added up the views of the first 15-something YouTube video's I found with "Chavez shut up". Funny enough there's an article with this title on Wikipedia.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

'Te'
I don't think this needs noting, as using te is standard in Spain, use of usted is more to do with dialect than politeness when used between equals?
 * Perhaps, but I would expect heads of state at a formal summit in front of cameras to be more polite and use usted. They're calling eachother Mr. President and such, I can't hear any other te's but no usted's either, I think this is a valid point to make as English doesn't distinguish between te - usted (tu - vous). --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


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Portal talk:Hugo Chávez

Do we really need portals for individual people? --SVTCobra 20:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. Also, we should not put Wikipedia links in the infoboxes as it will encourage people to leave Wikinews.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 20:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * comment in middle: I think 'pedia links are very important. I've heard many people say they like us because of our 'pedia links. If people truly want to leave wikinews they will, if they want to stay, an offsite link won't make them go. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree: a portal is just a way of using a DPL on a category, and to properly format the information, unlike Wikipedia were a portal is for large subjects.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO would should use a cat page like Bill Gates and Tony Blair. --Mark Talk to me 20:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine by me. Delete this if you want, it was just a Hugo Chavez .--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Portals still need to be maintained ... are you committing to keeping this updated?
 * The category has all that you need:
 * a dynamic list of recent articles
 * an alphabetized list of all articles
 * and links to Wikipedia, Commons and Wikisource --SVTCobra 20:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't know we had that on the category, and I don't have time to maintain the portal, so I've redirected. Thanks for your excellent suggestions. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mark, that's what we got already. SVTCobra 20:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't really have a clear definition of what a portal is. Some have lead article/ etc like mini main pages for the subject, well many are just the portal header, an image, a wikipedia/etc, a DPL, and a navbox. (Personal Opinion: the whole portal namespaace was a bad idea, we should have just stuck to categories). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Thousands march in gay pride parade in Buenos Aires

On Saturday the 17th of November, thousands of lesbians and gays marched in the 16th Gay Pride Parade in the Argentine capital of Buenos Aires.

During the early hours of the evening, a crowd of people began to gather in the traditional and historical Plaza de Mayo, near of the Casa Rosada, seat of the country's executive power. The police positioned operatives by the Buenos Aires Metropolitan Cathedral to avoid clashes between Catholic groups and those protesting for gay and lesbian rights.

In statements made exclusively to Wikinews, the chairwoman of the National Institute Against the Discrimination, Xenophobia and Racism (INADI) expressed that the march was of utmost importance.

"This is an advance for democracy, that we can gather so many people to celebrate diversity. We must work against all type of discrimination, and especially on this day against homophobia, and also pursue the rights not afforded us; for example, the identity of transsexual people," stated María José Lubertino, chairwoman of the INADI.

Lubertino stressed that INADI is trying to push for new legislation to be debated during 2008, and emphasized that during the course of this year, INADI has supported several couples' requests for same-sex marriage. Furthermore, INADI is also pushing for a debate in the National Congress to talk about civil union and marriage of gay, lesbian, transvestite and transsexual people.

Several minority groups attended the parade and crossed the Avenida de Mayo, entering the blocks that separates the Plaza de Mayo and the National Congress. Condoms and information about AIDS were distributed during the parade.


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Talk:Thousands march in gay pride parade in Buenos Aires

Check the grammar, please. Thank you. Loco085 23:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd correct the grammar but I'm not completely sure what you mean at one or two points. By "In exclusive declarations to Wikinews" do you mean an exclusive interview? I'm also not completely sure what word is meant when you say a "A police operative"- do you mean a group or a battalion or what? Finally, I'm not sure what the phrase "project of law" means, but it looks to me like simply saying "law" would do the same in that context. JoshuaZ 00:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, I interviewed Lubertino and in spanish it's common to say: "In exlusive declarations to "name of the media", but I am not sure if in english can be use that. "A police operative" refers to a "police operation", is that better?. And "project of law" refers to a project that is sent to the Congress, which can turn into law or not. Loco085 00:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I made further edits, please check to make sure I didn't mess anything up. BTW I changed the "In exlusive declarations" to "In statements made exclusively to Wikinews". Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the image caption "The parade culminated in National Congress" I presume should be "The parade culminated in front of the National Congress" or "The parade culminated at the National Congress." JoshuaZ 01:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you can safely change it to either of the two. Other than that, I think it is good to go. --SVTCobra 01:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Chávez warns oil prices could double if US invades Iran

Not thrilled with my use of the in the sources, but I did update the story according to those prices, not sure how else to source them. Let me know what you think. --SVTCobra 00:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Superb. I fell asleep while editing this. Sorry. -- Awareplus 01:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really like the 2 pictures of Chavez, one in the infobox should suffice. Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


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micheal vick is gay and he sucks at football. he kills dogs and buries hundreds of them in his backyard and he does drugs.


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Wikinews:Requests for CheckUser/Archive 2

CheckUser Archive: Beginning 11 May 2007

User:212.122.214.173 and User:Prasuk
Check to see if this IP is used by that user.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 17:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No serious issues with the IP's edits. No checkuser performed as incorrectly formatted and no reason given. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Page-move vandals

Please check which IP range or ranges they're using, if the IP or IPs are open proxies block them indef. If they aren't I suggest we block the IP or IPs for six months.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 20:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Regardless of the outcome of this checkuser request, I doubt any blocks would be effective as I requested a similar checkuser a while ago and that obviously hasn't stopped the page move vandalism. Clearly this is still a problem, I'm just afraid I doubt anything will be achieved by a checkuser in the longer term. Adambro 20:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * All but Steever were the same IP, I have blocked it for 1 month. I'm not sure how to check if it is a proxy, but I kinda doubt it. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's interesting that the IP had some constructive edits, but none under those names. Strange behavior.  --David Shankbone 22:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See his Wikipedia talk page. It's a proxy IP.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 22:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

User:67.62.76.186
✅ No match, not even same /16. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Offensive comments about David Shankbone seem likely to be from Edbrown05 who is currently blocked. Adambro 11:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Offensive comments about David Shankbone seem likely to be from Edbrown05 who is currently blocked. Adambro 11:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Offensive comments about David Shankbone seem likely to be from Edbrown05 who is currently blocked. Adambro 11:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

User:71.197.8.9
DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no need for a checkuser on this IP. It's pretty obvious that it's Ed.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 17:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ probable match. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

User:75.119.23.180
 —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 01:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅, no match. -- IlyaHaykinson 01:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

User:71.174.243.237
Both IPs come from Chicago and use same ISP. 71.174.243.237 blanked my user page today. Ed vandalised one of my pages with his old IP. Please check to see if any of these IPs are used by Edbrown, or any other user on Wikinews.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 19:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree to check, but I don't think Ed is from Chicago. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know but he's vandalised one of my pages before. If it isn't him, then I would like to know who it is as it's pretty obvious that the person using the IP (or IPs) knows Wikinews.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 19:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I object to this checkuser request on the grounds that User:71.167.62.22 seems completely distinct and innocent here, and it would be an invasion of their privacy. irid:t 13:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm yeah why is this ip being investigated??--Mark Talk to me 15:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Because I thought it could be Ed. But DragonFire already requested a checkuser on that IP and there was no match. So, I've removed it. I still have a feeling that 71.172.58.228 could be Ed, but remove it if you disagree and just do a check if 71.174.243.237 is Ed.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 17:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Ironiridis
As a matter of trust, since it was brought up by User:Edbrown05, I'd like a person with the ability to do checkuser to reveal any alternative accounts I've edited under, and all IPs I've edited from, to the extent that CheckUser is able to provide that information. I'm cognizant of the privacy concerns here, and for the sake of trust, I'm fine with exposing my IPs. Apologies if this is an excessive burden on whomever chooses to execute this. irid:t 05:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Iron has no socks that I can find. This Excludes Iridibot, Ironiridis bot, which is not been used as a sock (it is a Bot) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I know of checkuser policy, they cannot reveal the IPs. TheFearow | userpage|contribs 06:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that is a matter of privacy. I am waiving my privacy at this point. irid:t 06:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its set in stone. You don't own the IPs, and it violates the privacy of any other users who may have edited or viewed from those IPs. TheFearow | userpage|contribs 07:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll leave Brian to defer to another CU on this. It's quickly becoming a non-issue, however, since Ed seems uninterested, and continues to believe I'm controlling several sockpuppets. irid:t 07:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is an annoying policy :p TheFearow | userpage|contribs 08:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

User:71.167.62.22 and User:Edbrown05
Check for block evasion of Edbrown05. Edits are consistent with past IP edits. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No match --Cspurrier 16:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

User:71.172.58.228 and User:Edbrown05
Please determine whether 71.172.58.228 is Edbrown05.  —FellowWiki Newsie 02:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅. This request was not properly formatted, but I imagine you wanted to check for block evasion. The IP does not match. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  —FellowWiki Newsie 02:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Gabrielnz and User:Edbrown05
Looks like possible retaliation against User:Nzgabriel for the block against Ed. Can we verify? irid:t 22:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with Ed, user has no edits on IP from other accounts and IP resolves to NZ, not US. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking on that. irid:t 22:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Ditsy and User:Edbrown05
I'd like to determine whether User:Ditsy is a sockpuppet of User:Edbrown05. Ditsy has the same manner of speech/typing that Ed uses, and has taken issue over the same article that he did. Ditsy participated in WN:DR over the article, and also engaged in harassment of User:MessedRocker. irid:t 04:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ match between Disty and Edbrown05 Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 04:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Brian. irid:t 04:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Bennyboyz3000
User claims to have an account on Wikipedia under another name, and has claimed to be a editor over there for 2 years. That being the case, I would assume that he would not make an edit like this. I think we might have an imposter. He also did not respond to request on his WP page to verify identity on WN. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 13:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how CheckUser will help with this. Adambro 13:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This would have to be a cross-wiki checkuser, by someone with checkuser access on here and enwp (such as a steward) TheFearow 04:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Recent page move vandals
Wikinews has recent been the subject of a number of page move vandalism attacks from a number of different usernames which have of course been blocked. I presume the underlying IP must be different to avoid the blocks but perhaps there is an IP range which is common to all the attacks which could be blocked. Adambro 15:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The attacks have come in a series of waves and I've grouped the usernames below by this:

Results

 * &  match together.

All other match, plus following users not listed above

Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 20:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Krump
I am curious as to whether User:Krump is a sockpuppet account of User:Edbrown05, recent edits suggest it might be. The reason I seek this information is because Edbrown05 has had numerous warnings for his behavior towards over editors and I suspect the IP 24.125.54.105, which has been blocked for making personal attacks, is common to both accounts indicating that the accounts are very likely to be connected. Use of multiple accounts and this IP by Edbrown05 is disruptive because it potentialy avoids the scrutiny of edits by other users who don't immediately recognise they are connected. I think it is in the community's interest to clarify this issue. Adambro 15:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Edbrown05
 * User:24.125.54.105
 * IP match between Krump and Edbrown05 and IP --Cspurrier 19:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for performing this, Cspurrier. Thunderhead - (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hash raid users

 * ... to
 * ... to

 * Check for possible IP/IP range match. Even if none is found, I strongly suggest that the IPs of all those users be blocked for a prolonged time since the autoblocks will expire within 24 hours. --+Deprifry+ 22:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is WoW, but spread out across many ips, a large range block on 195.188.152.0/16 is about the only thing that will work for it. --Cspurrier 00:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't I do that? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Necessary
Requested check in IRC from BrianNZ, suspected match with EdBrown05 based on some edits. Markie996 concurred on running check.
 * Results were no match, not EdBrown05. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

(Small note - concured with request in IRC --Mark Talk to me 10:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC))


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User talk:67.192.37.34

Welcome
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User talk:67.55.5.213

The new music of Evan Cloud
Hi, I've deleted The new music of Evan Cloud since it does not appear to be a news story. Wikinews is for writing about news from a neutral point of view. For further information please see Introduction. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me on my user talk page - User talk:JoshuaZ. JoshuaZ 04:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Ingrid Newkirk, co-founder of PETA, on animal rights and the film about her life

November 20, 2007 Last night HBO premiered I Am An Animal: The Story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA. Since its inception, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has made headlines and raised eyebrows. They are almost single-handedly responsible for the movement against animal testing and their efforts have raised the suffering animals experience in a broad spectrum of consumer goods production and food processing into a cause célèbre.

PETA first made headlines in the Silver Spring monkeys case, when Alex Pacheco, then a student at George Washington University, volunteered at a lab run by Edward Taub, who was testing neuroplasticity on live monkeys. Taub had cut sensory ganglia that supplied nerves to the monkeys' fingers, hands, arms, legs; with some of the monkeys, he had severed the entire spinal column. He then tried to force the monkeys to use their limbs by exposing them to persistent electric shock, prolonged physical restraint of an intact arm or leg, and by withholding food. With footage obtained by Pacheco, Taub was convicted of six counts of animal cruelty—largely as a result of the monkeys' reported living conditions—making them "the most famous lab animals in history," according to psychiatrist Norman Doidge. Taub's conviction was later overturned on appeal and the monkeys were eventually euthanized.

PETA was born.

In the subsequent decades they ran the Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty against Europe's largest animal-testing facility (footage showed staff punching beagle puppies in the face, shouting at them, and simulating sex acts while taking blood samples); against Covance, the United State's largest importer of primates for laboratory research (evidence was found that they were dissecting monkeys at its Vienna, Virginia laboratory while the animals were still alive); against General Motors for using live animals in crash tests; against L'Oreal for testing cosmetics on animals; against the use of fur for fashion and fur farms; against Smithfield Foods for torturing Butterball turkeys; and against fast food chains, most recently against KFC through the launch of their website kentuckyfriedcruelty.com.

They have launched campaigns and engaged in stunts that are designed for media attention. In 1996, PETA activists famously threw a dead raccoon onto the table of Anna Wintour, the fur supporting editor-in-chief of Vogue, while she was dining at the Four Seasons in New York, and left bloody paw prints and the words "Fur Hag" on the steps of her home. They ran a campaign entitled Holocaust on your Plate that consisted of eight 60-square-foot panels, each juxtaposing images of the Holocaust with images of factory farming. Photographs of concentration camp inmates in wooden bunks were shown next to photographs of caged chickens, and piled bodies of Holocaust victims next to a pile of pig carcasses. In 2003 in Jerusalem, after a donkey was loaded with explosives and blown up in a terrorist attack, Newkirk sent a letter to then-PLO leader Yasser Arafat to keep animals out of the conflict. As the film shows, they also took over Jean-Paul Gaultier's Paris boutique and smeared blood on the windows to protest his use of fur in his clothing.

The group's tactics have been criticized. Co-founder Pacheco, who is no longer with PETA, called them "stupid human tricks." Some feminists criticize their campaigns featuring the Lettuce Ladies and "I'd Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur" ads as objectifying women. Of their Holocaust on a Plate campaign, Anti-Defamation League Chairman Abraham Foxman said "The effort by PETA to compare the deliberate systematic murder of millions of Jews to the issue of animal rights is abhorrent." (Newkirk later issued an apology for any hurt it caused). Perhaps most controversial amongst politicians, the public and even other animal rights organizations is PETA's refusal to condemn the actions of the Animal Liberation Front, which in January 2005 was named as a terrorist threat by the United States Department of Homeland Security.

David Shankbone attended the pre-release screening of I Am An Animal at HBO's offices in New York City on November 12, and the following day he sat down with Ingrid Newkirk to discuss her perspectives on PETA, animal rights, her responses to criticism lodged against her and to discuss her on-going life's work to raise human awareness of animal suffering. Below is her interview.

The HBO film about her life
David Shankbone: How did you feel about the film?
 * Ingrid Newkirk: [Laughs] Oh…um…I didn’t know what it was going to be.  I had expectations because I did trust Matthew, but I realize there has to be a certain more interesting bent to it.  Like my hate mail and my will.  Getting naked for Times Square.  Trying to draw me out so that I will cry.  Those are the kinds of things I think HBO wants to have because those are the things that will hold an audience better than just the facts.  So much was left out, and I didn’t know what was going to be left out, so that was interesting.

DS: You are pretty media savvy; was that okay with you that they crafted the film the way they did?
 * IN: You have to make allowances, because you know you will not be directing and producing it yourself, so there is some give and take.  I hoped what would be shown is the good of the behind-the-scenes PETA, and the footage, and giving a glimpse to people of why we do what we do.  You have to take the bits that you wouldn’t necessarily put in your own film.

'''DS: Many people when they hear about PETA think they are an organization that is more concerned with the well-being of chickens than they are with the well-being of humans. How would you respond to that?'''
 * IN: That’s like saying to an organization set up to help the homeless, “Is it true you are more concerned with the homeless than people with mansions?”  Yes.  Obviously we are set up to help the non-humans who don’t have anybody speaking for them because there are countless organizations set up to help humans.  Humans can often invariably help themselves.  They may have lower wages than they should or be disrespected; they may have all sorts of hardships, but they are not labeled chops or nuggets and doomed from the moment they are born to be cut up without anesthesia or used as test tubes.  Once in a while you find the military used people against their will, and in the old days orphans were used in Tuberculosis experiments here in New York.  But it doesn’t happen as a matter of being born getting a label as something you can cut up and deprive of life just for a fleeting pleasure.

DS: Jim Young, one of the lab people with the really red ears—
 * IN: Oh, yeah, that was great!  It was fascinating, something like a science experiment!  Like radioactive ears.

'''DS: Everyone was looking at them. One of the things he had said was that you want to completely disassociate animals with humans.'''
 * IN: No, I want to more closely associate humans with the other animals, because if we took Biology 101 we know we are all animals.  It’s just that we decide we’re gods, they’re trash.  That’s just invalid, wrong from every point of perspective: scientific, moral and everything else.  I want people to relate to the other animals.  It’s a matter of discrimination and prejudice to make us decide in the past that disabled people aren’t as important as we are, or somebody’s skin color was different and we could  exploit them.  Now it’s that we aren’t the same species so we can treat them like dirt.  It’s not logical that we do that, because we are all flesh and blood and feel pain, suffering, joy, love and all those things.  I think we have to come to terms with the fact that we are all in this life, on this Earth, with lots of other different individuals.  What was that, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?

DS: Douglas Adams’ Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy?
 * IN: Yes!  We go into space and we look for other species and we say we come in peace on the side of the space capsule...a bunch of hooey!  If we find them and they are vulnerable, we’ll experiment on them; we’ll taste them and make things out of them.  We’ll haul them back here as trinkets and trophies just as we do in Africa or India where we find bears and monkeys we put in the zoo.  Animals we want to use for decoration.  We have to come to grips with the fact that we are behaving peculiarly towards the others and they are part of life itself, with us.  I don’t want to separate them.  I want to bring us together!

PETA, animal rights groups and the Animal Liberation Front
DS: How do you feel when you hear other animal rights organizations coming out against PETA?
 * IN: Oh, I don’t mind.  I think somebody has to push the envelope.  If you say something someone already agrees with, then what’s the point?  So we make some more conservative animal protection organizations uncomfortable.  They don’t want to be associated with us because it will be embarrassing for them.  I understand that.  Our own members write to us sometimes and say, “Oh, why did you do this? I don’t want anybody to know I’m a PETA member.”  For some of us we agree cordially, like that Humane Society man.  We exchange e-mails all the time and I nag him that he needs to take a stronger position on some things and stop mealy-mouthing, and he nags me in his e-mails that it’s about time I condemn such-and-such.  “It doesn’t do any good for you to stick up for such-and-such.”

DS: What is something you have been asked to condemn?
 * IN: He wants us to condemn illegal acts.

DS: By the Animal Liberation Front?
 * IN: Yes, those getting the animals out of the laboratories, and I won’t do it because if it was my animal I would be happy.  If it was Little Man [David Shankbone’s dog, pictured in the lead photo] I would be happy.

'''DS: So you are okay with ALF activities? Some of that was covered in the film.'''
 * IN: It was only marginally covered.  There was only so much you could focus on and in such a way.  There weren’t rebuttals to many things, which was disturbing.  Like when that woman said PETA is not doing any good, I would love to have seen the whole list of endless victories we have had, starting with General Motors switching to mannequins in crash tests—

DS: L’Oreal, Maybelline—
 * IN: All of it.  There’s a huge huge list of everything.

DS: How do you feel about the ALF?
 * IN: I wrote a book called Free the Animals, and it’s about the Animal Liberation Front since its inception in the United States.  Not about the ALF overseas, where it began, but its inception here going to about 199-something.  I talked about how I do support getting animals out in the same way I would have supported getting human slaves out, child labor, sex slaves, the whole lot.  But I don’t support burning.  I don’t support arson.  I would rather that these buildings weren’t standing, so on some level I understand.  I just don’t like the idea of that.  Maybe that is wishy-washy of me, because I don’t want those buildings standing if they are going to hurt anyone.  And the ALF has never hurt mice nor man.

DS: Is arson a lesser of two evils proposition for you, then?
 * IN: Yes, absolutely.  Because if the buildings are standing, if the slaughterhouse is standing, then the amount of pain and suffering—I mean, why would you preserve it just so someone can make a profit by continuing to hurt and kill individuals who feel every bit as much as we do?

Newkirk on humans and other animals
'''DS: A critic would say that there is no equating humans with animals. That by stopping research that saves lives based upon these animals you are valuing chickens or mice over people.'''
 * IN: I think it hokum.  Total hokum.  First, you can’t have it both ways.  They are either like us or not like us.  You’re using them because they’re like us, then recognize the ways they are like us.  They are afraid to be in the cages.  The cages are tiny and uncomfortable and miserable.  They are frightened.  They are not treated well in the course of being experimented on.   It’s not as if it is just a few of them being used in life-saving experiments.  There are millions being used every year for fool things, including, still, nicotine and cocaine experiments.  You know nicotine is bad for you.  Every little single thing is done to them.  But, on the other hand, they’re not like us physiologically in many ways that are important, which is what makes these tests invariably unscientific.  You can’t extrapolate from a mouse to a man.  They have a different metabolism.  They have a very different physiology.

'''DS: Like the saccharine experiments, which were ridiculous because they showed it causes cancer in mice when you inject them with eight times their body weight daily with saccharine. We aren’t mice, and who consumes such amounts?'''
 * IN: Yes!  People are scared, and experimenters who still use animals are only a percentage of all the people who do research in the U.S.  The other research fields are more profitable in terms of applicability; human clinical work, epidemiological work, computer mapping work, all those things where you use human data, all those researchers are doing more productive work.  Cloning human skin, putting human DNA on the Internet.  This is where the money should be going.  Not doing things you did five hundred years ago by stuffing chemicals down animals’ throats, or performing some procedure that you later find out doesn’t even work on human beings.

DS: Do you think blocking stem cell research is something that harms animals?
 * IN: Yes, absolutely, if it’s human stem cell research, we’re in favor of it.  If you are religiously opposed to abortion, you do not have to take stem cells from the unabortus.  You can take stem cells in other ways such as from the placenta or a live birth.  You can do other things.  You don’t have to violate your religious principles if that’s the problem.

'DS: In your book Making Kind Choices'' you have a chapter on bees. Have you been following the recent development on the ‘Rapture of the Bees?’'''
 * IN: It’s fascinating.

DS: What do you think is happening with the bees?
 * IN: They think it’s a virus or a bacteria, don’t they?

'''DS: That’s the thing: they can’t find any bee bodies. Millions and millions have disappeared.'''
 * IN: It’s always fascinating how animals go off somewhere to die.  You don’t see a lot of dead birds anyway and there are birds in this city.  I don’t know.  Years and years ago I had not thought at all about bees and I went to a conference in upstate New York and there was a wonderful, gentle woman named Nermin Buyukmihci who talked about how violent bee keeping is.  I never thought about or known about this.

DS: In your book she calls them ‘honeystealers’
 * IN: She talked about the wire brush tearing off the wings and the smoking out. I thought it was fascinating that she could even care about bees.  I thought to myself, “Well they make this honey and they make propolis and everything else for their own nourishment and typical we come stomping along and take it all for ourselves, give them cheap sugar and smoke them out and kill them.”  I thought that I don’t need honey.  It was just another thing where you think, “Why do I need this?”

Religion and animals
'''DS: The Bible talks about humans as custodians of the Earth, and the religious community is beginning to awaken to the notion that this means they need to be involved on environmental issues. What is the religious community’s relationship to animal welfare?'''
 * IN: I think religion has departed so far from its origins that if you look at the root of all the large religions—Christianity, Judaism, Islam—that you find there is always an admonishment to be kind to animals.  The Chief Rabbi of Israel says no one should wear fur, for example.  There are other rabbis who say you can not keep kosher if you don’t keep away from eating meat.  In Christianity, being aware of the smallest sparrow who will fall—

DS: Sam Brownback raised that exact same quote in my interview with him, that God cares even when the smallest sparrow falls—
 * IN: Yes!  Compassion!  I think people have departed.  Look at the Ten Commandments.  How many people in organized religion abide by the commandments?  They lie, cheat and steal; covet their neighbors’ wives.  The fundamental root of religion is to be kind, compassionate, understanding; to reach out to others.  Religion is often a big business, but there are some people like the Reverend Andrew Lindsay in the U.K. who conducts animal rights lectures, and there are people in this country who are speaking out to say we need to consider the animals, but I think it is difficult.

'''DS: In the movie they show PETA making a change in tactics from focusing on exotic animals to focusing on livestock such as turkeys. Exotic animals are things most people could support, but livestock is more out there for many. How would you respond to the argument that progress is incremental and by taking a leap from focusing on exotics to focusing on livestock you could be overreaching?'''
 * IN: We work on all of it.  It wasn’t as if we were stopping all investigations into exotics, it’s that we have a string of exposés on these exotic animal farms, from the people who caught these lions cubs for photo shoots with kids and take them to auto shows, and how they are beaten up behind the scenes and bullied.  At one point I thought, ‘Here we are looking into an investigation into another one of these exotic animal places, and yet the biggest problem is that not everyone goes to a game farm, or a roadside zoo for a photo shoot with a bear, but everybody eats.’  I thought we really have to concentrate where everyone could do something, because three times a day you make that decision.

DS: A religious argument might be that they were put on Earth for Man.
 * IN: You look at the Garden of Eden and that was a place where the lion lays down with the lamb and there is no slaughter.  The fall comes when somebody kills and blood is shed, and then everything becomes chaos and violence.  If you look at the true Garden of Eden, what were Adam and Eve eating?  Fruits, berries.  They weren’t slaughtering the animals but living amongst the animals and everything was peaceful.  So if there’s a biblical sense, I don’t think dominion—if that’s the scripture you are looking at—I don’t think dominion means exploitation.  It may come with a responsibility to look after and protect, the way the Queen had dominion over Canada.  That didn’t allow for her to put electrodes in its citizens’ heads and test floor polish on Canadians.  It was a protectorate, and isn’t that what we are supposed to be?  Protectors and not big bullies.

Fashion and animals
DS: Did your protest at Jean-Paul Gaultier have any effect?
 * IN: It’s hard to tell now because he’s such a bad boy, but recently the Gaultier Company decided they would meet with us and there is a meeting in Paris coming up shortly.  We have been writing to him.

'''DS: You had mentioned earlier wool clothing in relation to Australian exporters. Are you against wool clothing or against how it is made and harvested?'''
 * IN: That’s a great question, because there are two things and they really are in tandem.  If I only could have one thing, it would be to end suffering.  If you could take things from animals and kill animals all day long without causing them suffering, then I would take it.  But I think there’s another question that underlies that.  Everybody should be able to agree that animals should not suffer if you kill them or steal from them by taking the fur off their backs or take their eggs, whatever.  But you shouldn’t put them through torture to do that.  We should all agree on that since we really don’t care at all for suffering.  But I think there’s this other question:  Who are we that we have set ourselves up on this pedestal and we believe that we have a right take from others everything—including their life—simply because we want to do it?  Shouldn’t we stop and think for a second that maybe they are just others like us?  Other nations, other individuals, other cultures.  Just others.  Not sub-human, but just different from being human.

Newkirk on the worst corporate animal abusers
DS: When you think of companies—obviously Butterball would be one—
 * IN: Smithfield Foods, yes.

DS: Who are some of the most egregious abusers of animals?
 * IN: It’s a long list, but I would say at the moment it is people like Versace and Jean-Paul Gaultier if you are talking about fur.  If you are talking about wool clothing, there is Australian Wool Innovation that sticks up for all the wool farmers that export all over the world the majority of wool, and they are scurrilous.  They will not stop live export where thousand upon thousands of these sheep die in appalling conditions on the way to the Middle East.  They will not stop mulesing, which is cutting the flesh off the backsides of lambs when they are just a few days old without any anesthesia.  We are fighting them.  They need to change and come into the 21st Century.  KFC; we have been after them for several years now.  All we are asking is that they switch to Controlled Atmosphere Killing.  We know they won’t switch to soy chicken overnight, although I have given them all kinds of soy chicken and said, “You know, broaden your market base—live a little!”  I’m sure they throw it in the trash, which is a shame.

DS: “Oh God, here comes Ingrid Newkirk with her soy chickens again!”
 * IN: [Laughs]  There’s great stuff!  There are even soy Buffalo wings on the market that are delicious.

DS: What is Controlled Atmosphere Killing?
 * IN: Controlled Atmosphere Killing means they are gassed in the boxes when they arrive at the slaughterhouse so that that they are not conscious when they are hung up on the shackles and have their legs broken.  So that they are not conscious when they go live into the scalding tank.  We have Wendy’s—their egg production is just disgusting.  They have battery cages for their hens, who are just crammed in.  [Sighs].  Covance, which is the world’s biggest testing lab.  You see them in the film.  They are the ones shoving the monkeys into the Plexiglas tubes and the monkeys are screaming and they are holding their arms behind their backs.  The universities who have grants from the federal government for animal research for the sheer reason that they want money for their football team and money for their President’s flowers in the office, they will not examine whether or not there are more sophisticated modern tests.

Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act
DS: Tell me how the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act impedes you, and what you are doing to defeat the Act.
 * IN: Sooner or later we’ll have a test case.  It was designed specifically to thwart our undercover investigations.  That’s where it came out of.  It’s a slap shoot that has been made into a criminal action.  It’s a criminal action now in over a dozen states to videotape or audiotape inside an animal industry, which is just extraordinary protection for one particularly section of society’s pursuits.  It also makes it a federal crime to remove documents, for example, even if those documents show wrong-doing on the part of the business.  You can’t even Xerox them and take them out to give to a reporter.  That’s a federal crime, now, in over twelve states.  It’s all designed so that you can’t get the goods on an industry that is hurting animals in violation of the law, and to make that information public without facing a jail sentence and a hefty fine.

DS: Would you do a target investigation in a state where they have that act passed just to test its Constitutionality?
 * IN: We might well.  Because this is supposed to be a free country; there is supposed to be free speech and a public spotlight on what’s happening in our name with our tax money.  At least if they are telling consumers, “Trust us, because we are being kind to the animals” because everyone knows now that a large percentage of consumers wants to know when they are buying something how animals are treated.  If they are stringing the consumer along and giving them a false security that animals weren’t harmed in the making of whatever it is, then I think the public has a right to know exactly what is going on in those places.  That is in the public interest.

Ingrid Newkirk on Ingrid Newkirk
DS: Did you and Alex Pacheco have a falling out?
 * IN: No—well, we’ve had many fallings out in our years—

DS: Like a family—
 * IN: Yes, yes.  We’ve had many an argument, many a falling out, but he separated a long time ago.

DS: Are you still in contact with him?
 * IN: Yes, he was in touch with the office a couple of weeks ago.  I was on the road.

DS: Is he looking at becoming involved again?
 * IN: I’m not sure what he wants to do at the moment and I’m not sure he does, either.

DS: How would Ingrid Newkirk twenty years ago look at Ingrid Newkirk now?
 * IN: God, what a horrid question!  [Laughs]  Do you mean twenty years ago?  Because we’ve had the group twenty-seven years.

DS: Just twenty years ago, the person you were then looking at the person you are now.
 * IN: God, less wrinkles!  I don’t know the answer to that.  I really don’t.

DS: Do you think you’ve achieved a lot of the things you had wanted back then?
 * IN: I’m never looking ahead.  All I want is to reduce suffering and to get people to think of animals in a different way, and that’s as true then as it is now.  Perhaps I was—I don’t know if I could say if I’m less or more optimistic, I really can’t.  I think I was just me, only younger.

DS: Do you think other people would say that?
 * IN: I think so…I think so.  I don’t know, really.

DS: Do you have any regrets?
 * IN: Professionally?  Because that’s what we are talking about…

DS: Or personally.
 * IN: I’m not going to talk about personally!

DS: Just in general—in your life.
 * IN: These are just terrible questions!  I think you can always look back and in hindsight, knowing the results of what you’ve done, think, ‘Maybe I could have been more strategic then’; or ‘If I had only known…maybe I could have pushed harder then.’  But I think in compromising sometimes, people may find it surprising, but I’m so anxious not to lose ground, but to gain ground so that we can move ahead, that I might take less than if I had known I could have pushed harder what I could have got.

'''DS: See. Sometimes terrible questions birth wonderful answers.'''
 * IN: Oh, pwah!

DS: The nature of this interview is on a permanent encyclopedia—
 * IN: Ah!  God, help me, kill me.

DS: --so the questions are designed not just around your work, but also around who you are as a person.
 * IN: I don’t know.  In this business I am very easy to cubby hole.  As someone said to me the other day—they had seen the HBO special—and they said, “Are you really a sad obsessed person?”  And I thought, “No, I’m not really a sad person, except when I lie awake at night in winter thinking about all the animals out without shelter, and then I’m sad!”  Who wouldn’t be?  Wouldn’t anybody be sad if they have a heart?  It’s just that I’ve seen so much.  In Taiwan, standing in a slaughterhouse for dogs.  You have to get through it, and to me, having foster-cared chickens; I know if anyone took a chicken in the way they took a dog in they would come to love that chicken and come to see that chicken had personality.  That chicken would wait for you to come home in the evening.  They can’t laugh this off, because it’s actually true!  Chickens develop bonds with people the same way dogs do.  They know you’ve rescued them if you’ve rescued them; they’ll sit on your lap while you’re watching TV.  Having had those relationships it’s just as hard for me to stand in a chicken slaughterhouse.  But if anyone had had those experiences they would feel the same way.  I think it’s hard to pigeon-hole me as sad.  I’m not.  I’m joyous.

DS: I didn’t see you as sad in that movie.
 * IN: Oh really?  Oh, good.

'''DS: It’s interesting you brought that up, because a thought I had watching the film is that people always find something to criticize with a person. It’s not, “Okay, Ingrid just really loves animals and wants to help them” but “you’re obsessed and sad.” If you were taking a $1,000,000 salary every year and driving around in a Mercedes, they would say, “She’s not really in it for the animals, she’s completely stuffing her pockets with her cause.”  But you are not doing that [Newkirk earned $32,000 from PETA in 2005] and the film makes that clear; so instead, the criticism is that you are sad and obsessed.'''
 * IN: Right.  Thank you.  Thank you.

DS: You’re either milking it for all it is worth—
 * IN: Or you are some weird ascetic.

DS: What do you think drives people to jump at negative spin?
 * IN: It’s human nature.  You see the thing at a silly level with celebrities.  They love them, and then they tear them down.  Or they are just salivating, hoping for somebody to trip and fall.  I think it’s jut another nasty past of human nature.  Especially if you think somebody has done something that makes you a little guilty, it’s very hard to overcome people’s guilt.  I know I was the same way when somebody first suggested to me I should not eat animals.  I was quite defensive about it.  I remember that.  There are many other things along the way that I have had to fight out in my own head and get rid of the defensiveness.  I think people are defensive, and they don’t want someone to tell them what to do.  They know a lot of their life is frivolous.   I had an assistant once who wanted to leave for the evening, and I said, “Could you just finish this before you go home?” and he said, “I’ve got a life!” and I said, “Yeah, me too, but mine doesn’t consist of playing video games for five hours!” [Laughs].  But as you get older I think your perspective might change and whatever drives you it occurs you only have so much time, and you want to accomplish this.

'''DS: Where do you draw your strength from? What’s behind that question is when I was in law school I did a Chihuahua rescue and helped to save perhaps 15 to 20 dogs. I thought it would be a great fulfilling thing, and it would be easy to do to host these animals while I read my law books. Instead, it was grueling. It ended up tearing me apart—'''
 * IN: It does.

'''DS: --watching your film I thought, “I would be a terrible investigator. I would be like the guy in the movie who simply couldn’t do it.” I saw a 14-pound dog that was raped by a man and her insides were torn up; I had a dog who almost died on me because it had been so severely starved and beaten, and the only thing I could do to get it to survive was to take a syringe full of blended dog food liquidated with heavy cream and feed it while it bit my fingers. It took its toll on me and it was one of the things that made me very down on humanity—'''
 * IN: You’re a good man.

DS: But it was hurtful.
 * IN: Yeah, it’s very painful!

DS: Where do you draw your strength to continue on and to not hate humanity?
 * IN: I definitely don’t hate humanity, because I am one.  I think we’re weak.  I think our species loves to think of itself as all important and knowing and clever; and we’re not.  Fundamentally, we like a chocolate soda and stay in bed late.  We like some rubbish on TV.  It’s just the way we are.  If everyone could come to America from all over I think they would so they could all get fat and rich and do almost nothing, and collect unemployment.  Anyway, whatever.  Substitute something there. [Laughs]  Anthropologists have said that it is only human conceit that has separated us from the other apes; for starters the apes.  Really, there is no such thing as a hominid.  They say there are hominids and pongids, and we’re probably all in it together and that we are probably all the same taxa.  I see chimpanzees are very much like human beings, and they are very aggressive.  The males will go out together and hunt, and they’ll take apart a Colobus monkey just for the fun of it, like a gang on the street.  The males will beat their chest and are full of testosterone, and they’ll gang-bang the females, which happens every day if you read the newspaper.  And they are lazy.  If you put them in captivity they’ll throw their feces at you, but they don’t mean it!  That’s just their nature; it’s not as if they sat there thinking this up.  It’s their nature.

DS: Animals don’t scheme.
 * IN: No!  They are just angry, upset and agitated.  I think that’s the same with human beings.  We’re all a bit like that.  We have to discipline ourselves and not going around saying how great we are.  We have to have some discipline and not be brats and fat little kids.  SO I don’t hate humanity, and I forgot what the first one was—oh, how do I get my strength!  Where I get my memory is the next one you’re going to ask…[Laughs]

DS: You do have a great memory.
 * IN: I obviously don’t—a selective memory, maybe.  I don’t know that it’s strength so much as I am driven by if I see a cruelty in front of me, which I have many times, and I have the power to stop it, then something comes from inside me and I will try to stop it, and I will really mow people over to get to an injured animal, for example.  Or move heaven and Earth to get something fixed.  More than that, I have a strong sense of guilt.  If I’m not doing anything I don’t know how I could forget that the cruelty is there, or that the pain is there.  I don’t think I could just decide, “I’m going to the beach, and I’m going to live on the beach and be a beach bum for the rest of my life” and pretend it doesn’t exist and that it’s not going to haunt me.  So I probably do it to ease my own pain, in part, in knowing that it exists and trying to do something.  You know!

DS: Yes, I do know.
 * IN: I’m so glad you did that.  And you did not give that one away [referring to Little Man].


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French transportation strike spreads to civil servants

November 20, 2007 The labor strikes in France, which began on November 13, 2007, are continuing as hundreds of thousands of civil servants hold a 24-hour work stoppage. The action by postal workers, teachers, air traffic controllers and hospital staff, have left many schools closed and airports facing delays and flight cancellations.

The November 2007 strikes in France began when SNCF rail workers and Paris Métro engineers went on strike to protest reforms by President Nicolas Sarkozy, which would reduce early retirement pensions.

Under current regulations, civil servants in France may retire after 37.5 years of service. Some professions, primarily in the rail industry, have an accelerated schedule, allowing rail workers to retire as early as age 50 with full benefits. The government wants to change that saying that these special pensions apply to 1.6 million workers and amount to 6% of the governments total pension payments.

The rail strike has, according to opinion polls, become quite unpopular. Speaking today, Sarkozy said "I am thinking about those millions of French people who after a day's work do not have a bus, a metro or a train to get home and who are tired of being held hostage. I am thinking of those companies that risk having to lay off workers."

The French finance minister Christine Lagarde estimated the strikes cost the economy of France €350 million each day. "It's a real worry for the French economy," she said. Public accounts minister Éric Wœrth spoke on France Inter radio and agreed that a prolonged strike would hurt the economy. "Not over several days. But if it lasted longer, it could obviously have consequences," he said.

The civil servants that began their 24-hour stoppage today are protesting what they say has been a de facto pay-cut. The purchasing power of their wages has dropped by 6% since 2000. They are demanding pay-raises and are protesting proposed job-cuts for 2008. The government has proposed to cut some 23,000 jobs, half of which would be in education.

The third work stoppage by French energy workers started last night, reducing electrical output by 9%. Newspaper distributors also went on strike, in protest of proposed restructuring. Students protested other reforms that would give universities greater autonomy. The students blocked access to buildings at campuses across the country.


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American football coach Lloyd Carr retires from Michigan

November 20, 2007 University of Michigan Wolverines head coach Lloyd Carr, who had coached the college football program for thirteen years, announced his retirement from the coaching profession, effective after the Wolverines' bowl game.

"Yesterday was one of the most emotional days of my life," Carr said at his press conference, referring to when he informed his team of his retirement. "I’ve cried more tears than I knew I had. I’ve never laughed so hard in my life. There’s so many memories. It was a wonderful day."

During his tenure at Michigan, Carr won five Big Ten Conference championships and a national championship in 1997. He had a disappointing 1-6 record vs. Jim Tressel's Ohio State Buckeyes, though his overall record vs. Ohio State was 6-7. Carr's last victory over Ohio State came in 2003. He amassed a 121-40 overall record while at Michigan and ranks seventh among active coaches with a 75.2 winning percentage.

There has been a lot of speculation, even before Carr's retirement, regarding who would become the next Michigan head coach. Current Louisiana State University head coach Les Miles is viewed as the top candidate to replace Carr.

Observers see Les Miles as the front-runner despite his recent comments. "I want to stay just where I’m at," Miles said. "I don’t want to think about it. Don’t want to envision it. I want to go forward and prepare."


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Comments:Thousands march in gay pride parade in Buenos Aires

I think that's great! It's about time discrimination ended once and for all.

next year i'll be in argentina instead of this silly macy's pride parade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.99.62 (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

thousands march in gay pride parade in buenos aires.
homosexuals, transvetites ans transsexuals should not consider themselves normal.if everyone can be true to themselves, sex is meant for procreation and for enjoyment. its a littlle disproved fact that these people usually have deep rooted problems and this is their way of seeking help. instead of condemning them, we should pray for them and encourage them to seek proffesional therapeutic help. Waithera, Kenya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.206.143.59 (talk) 06:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


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USA ended Cuba's defense at 2007 Baseball World Cup

November 20, 2007

At the 2001 Baseball World Cup, Cuba defended the Baseball World Cup championship, which they have dominated, by defeating USA. This time, however, things turned out differently as USA ever defeated Cuba at the 2006 Americas Olympics Baseball Qualifying Tournament with 8-5.

In the top of 2nd inning, with Cuba's starting pitcher Yadel Martí was unsteady. Justin Ruggiano started the offense for USA with a hit. After Norberto González replaced Martí on the mound for Cuba, USA scored after loading the bases and kept the lead through the end of the game.

Even though Cuba scored 2 runs with successive hits in the bottom of 5th inning, the American pitchers from the Minor Leagues effectively shut down Cuba's offense. USA eventually ended Cuba's reign as champion with a final score of 6-3. The Americans were crowned the 2007 Baseball World Cup champions, a title they last held way back in 1974. Coincidentially, Cuba did not participate in the BWC in 1974.

Other Results

 * 3rd Place Battle: Japan 5-0 Netherlands
 * 5th Place Battle: South Korea 5-2 Australia
 * 7th Place Battle: Mexico 6-4 Chinese Taipei

Final Rankings after the Quarter Final, Semi Final, and Final

 * USA
 * 1) Cuba
 * 2) Japan
 * 3) Netherlands
 * 4) South Korea
 * 5) Australia
 * 6) Mexico
 * 7) Chinese Taipei


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Talk:USA ended Cuba's defense at 2007 Baseball World Cup

This article uses somewhat bad gramar, and has some completely irrelevant facts. It hurts my eyes to read.

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As always, BrockF5, double-check my c/e. I googled "2006 American Baseball Championship" and found nothing, and your statement doesn't match what happened at the 2006 World Baseball Classic so I left this part (from the first paragraph) completely out. Because that omission undermines your setup for an intense battle, I changed it to "things turned out differently". Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No........... Not 2006 WBC, it's Americas Qualifying Tournament, here also can be found. 07:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrockF5 (talk • contribs)


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User talk:Rand Wilson

Hi Rand,

Thank you for your contribution. A few notes, if we are to use the pictures from your Picasa Web album, you will need to upload them to Commons first (I assume you took the pictures). Also, you will need to provide detailed notes on the collaboration page about attending the demonstration. Third, we need more sources on the events surrounding the terminations. Cheers and happy editiing, --SVTCobra 16:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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International Space Station astronauts complete spacewalk

November 20, 2007 Two International Space Station astronauts completed a 7 hour and 16 minutes spacewalk this morning that saw the completion of the ISS's newest room, .

Commander and Flight Engineer  began their spacewalk early Tuesday morning at 5:10 a.m. EST (10:10 UTC). This was the second phase of a three phase project to complete the connection of the Harmony module to the rest of the Space Station. Whitson, who is ISS's first female Commander, exclaimed "Yay, got it!" after finishing a particularly difficult section of the hand-intensive project. The goal of the 7+ hour was to complete the connection of the power and heating cables and the fluid lines between the space station and the Harmony laboratory which the   delivered to the space station last month. During the dangerous spacewalk, the spacewalkers removed the fluid lines (which carry ammonia in an 18½-foot (5.6 m), 300-pound (136 kg) tray) and removed the tray from its storage location on the space station, then lugged it over to Harmony and bolted it down. The tray, which was awkward to carry, required the astronauts to take turns carrying it over to Harmony being careful not to bang it around. A frightening moment occurred during the venting of the hook ups that saw frozen ammonia crystals floating out and bouncing off of Whitson. NASA Mission Control explained to her that it was nothing to worry about at the time and that procedures would take place later. These decon procedures include brushing off the toxic substance and letting the sun bake it off.

The station's three astronauts have been working continuously since the Space Shuttle Discovery departed on the 5 November 2007 to get the new lab attached. The next shuttle mission is scheduled to lift off on 6 December 2007 with a new laboratory that will dock to Harmony, but the shuttle cannot commence its mission until Harmony is completely attached. A third and final Harmony space walk is scheduled for Saturday 24 November 2007 to attach the final fluid tray and complete connections to the Harmony lab.


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User talk:Josborne2382

Welcome
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Nice article
Good job on that article - very good work for your first story. Keep it up!!--Mark Talk to me 18:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * well your welcome as there all deserved. hope to see you around and if you need any help you know where to get me. --Mark Talk to me 18:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Ingrid Newkirk, co-founder of PETA, on animal rights and the film about her life

Original reporting notes
Interview conducted in person Tuesday, November 13, 2007 in New York City. --David Shankbone 19:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The way you wrote the beginning and end of your introduction, makes it sound like you attended last night's premiere and did the interview there. Should probably be made clearer in the text. --SVTCobra 19:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it be fair to call it a pre-release screening at HBO's offices? --SVTCobra 19:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that might be more artful wording. --David Shankbone 19:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Typo
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The article says 'in awhile'. Either this quote is correct and [sic] should be added; or the quote is incorrect and it should be changed to 'in a while'. Van der Hoorn (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|16px]] Done — Gopher65talk 21:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:Ingrid Newkirk, co-founder of PETA, on animal rights and the film about her life

I've just read the intro and I want to read the whole thing, but busy. Looks like this is a good one too. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for this David (&Ingrid). Animal rights needs this kind of media coverage! Wikidsoup 22:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

PETA are hypocrites
You should have brought up the little controversy over them tossing dead cats in a dumpster near their headquarters. I love animals, but PETA doesn't represent me and my bleeding-heart liberalism. --TUFKAAP 21:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Penn Jillette brought up many important issues on his show. I would have prefered to have those specific criticisms discussed than the blanket "how do you respond to criticism". So much coddling of the interviewee and so much opinion being taken as fact. Much of this interview is frankly obscene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.5.254.102 (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * None of these interviews exist to "take on" an interviewee, but simply to present their point of view. We don't ask for these to spar with the person we are interviewing, whether it be right-wingers like Sam Brownback and Tom Tancredo or left-wingers like Evan Wolfson or Craig Unger.  The point of these interviews is to record views, not try to prove their own views wrong or fallacious.  --David Shankbone 22:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. You at least asked the politicians pointed questions about things they said. This is hagiography in comparison, but perhaps you don't perceive your own bias? Mpls 05:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It always comes down to one's own perspective when they read the article. Newkirk thought I brought up a lot of criticism, and even became annoyed at one point.  People who don't like a person or organization really just want them torn apart.  People who like a person don't want to see anything negative said to them.  --David Shankbone 05:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is why ignorant people (animals) should not have money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.73.97 (talk) 02:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Amazing interview!
Ingrid is an amazing person & PETA is one of the best animal rights group who is working really hard to make this earth a better place for all beings. Great work PETA! My special thanks to HBO & Wiki for supporting PETA.


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