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Talk:Iran reveals nuclear designs to IAEA

Nuclear Weapons?? I thought wikinews is unbiased
It's clear whoever wrote this article had one thing in mind. All of the designs submitted by Iran were for the purpose of transparency and none what so ever could even suggest the slightest weapon aim except for peaceful power generation purposes. The analogy here is as if a company submitted plans for a new opiate medication to help the sick, and a news reporter said the medicine "could be used to sell to heroin addicts and illicit markets by the company" without no proof just to hype up an interest.

Anything nuclear, even a pellet of uranium can be used for peace or for bombs. There is no evidence for any weapons programmes despite the Zionist hungry media trying to impose false defaming views on Iran to feed Israel's interests, domination and safety in the region. In the same manner WMD was the hyped up false accusations of pre-invaded Iraq. It seems any government who opposes Israel's domineering views is being removed by the USA. It's simple, either be an semitic, or an anti-semitic. Either be with them, or against them. Thats the real war.

Please change the title, and have a look at the plans yourself. --78.86.117.164 19:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * the article says that the plans included information on casting uranium metal into a "warhead"... I have been lazy and not checked up on the references, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but the geometry involved in shaping uranium into a usable nuclear weapon is a highly classified subject among countries that develop such things (drawing from knowledge of advanced physics hoped to be beyond the reach of other nations). This is exactly the type of thing that constitutes plans for a nuclear weapon .  Nowhere does the article indicate that Iran was going to BUILD such a weapon, and it gives their rationale that the plans were simply "included" with other acquisitions.  I don't see anything biased about the way the article presents this information.  One could come away believing what Iran says about the issue with nothing to contradict them here.

 * The title in the main page says Iran reveals nuclear weapon designs to IAEA, that is suggesting Iran is planning to build nuclear weapons, so yes, the article is indicating a false pretense merely by the title. If you had a clue about nuclear power, fission and technology, casting a nuclear metal into a what the sources like to call as a "warhead", has peaceful uses too. Guy's, just be careful about what you write, and do not beef up title's to attract viewers, this is not a builders newspaper. I know mainstream western media likes to bite on Iran due to their own interests as I hinted before, but do your own research, and you will realize Iran has done far more good things for the world and the region. It is sad, like the Iranian minister said "No matter what we do, they will try to put a magnifying glass on every little thing just to portray us as bad, enemies or evil to justify their own real evil means of removing anyone who stands in their way of world domination."--78.86.117.164 13:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I did not see the sensationalist headline you describe, so forgive me for being kinder on the way things were portrayed :) Anyway, I guess if that's what it said then I can understand why people were a bit alarmed by what seemed like a bias, although I don't think there's enough information available to say whether it was factually true or not (which means it shouldn't have been said, since we should source everything). I'm certainly not trying to imply that I think Iran WAS trying to build nuclear weapons, or even that the particular plans in question correspond to solely-weapons-oriented technology (as you see, I said I never even checked up on the references ;)).  All I'm interested in is unbiased reporting, and it seemed initially to me that there was a rush of people to defend Iran but nobody had explicitly accused Iran of anything.  A headline on the main page about nuclear "weapons" might be construed as an accusation, but from the article it would seem that this is exactly what the plans were for.  I haven't seen the plans, nor do I know where to find them as some here apparently do, so I can't say.

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The topic is too sensationalist. May some English native speaker change it according to the text body? --millosh (talk (sr:)) 05:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra comma
editprotected Can you remove the comma from "cast uranium metal," - it breaks the flow of the sentence. --Sigma 7 (talk) 00:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 01:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


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FBI document reviews symbols used by pedophiles

November 14, 2007

In an exclusive report, Wikinews has obtained an internal document from Wikileaks detailing symbols used by organized  to identify one another.

Wikileaks obtained the document via Spanish "childhood erotica" networks. According to Wikileaks, the unclassified parts of the document were only briefly published by the, Michigan police department in a newsletter, which was later removed from the internet.

The document, which is titled Symbols and Logos Used by Pedophiles to Identify Sexual Preferences states that "pedophiles, to include those who sexually abuse children as well as those who produce, distribute, and trade child pornography, are using various types of identification logos or symbols to recognize one another and distinguish their sexual preferences."

According to the FBI, there are at least three groups that pedophiles can use to identify what age and or gender they prefer such as "boylove, girllove and childlove." Most of the logos have been found to be printed on coins, necklace charms and rings.

The first logo, 'The BoyLover logo' (BLogo) "is a small blue spiral-shaped triangle surrounded by a larger triangle, whereby the small triangle represents a small boy and the larger triangle represents an adult man. A variation of the BLogo is the Little Boy Lover logo (LBLogo), which also embodies a small spiral-shaped triangle within a larger triangle; however, the corners of the LBLogo are rounded to resemble a scribbling by a young child," said the document.

The second logo, 'The GirlLover logo' (GLogo) is "a small heart surrounded by a larger heart, which symbolizes a relationship between an adult male or female and minor girl," the document stated.

The last logo, 'The ChildLover logo' (CLogo), "resembles a butterfly and represents non-preferential gender child abusers," added the document.

It is not known how the document came to be in the hands of Spanish childhood erotica enthusiasts. The logos were found during raids on computers and other items related to pedophile investigations.

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Talk:FBI document reviews symbols used by pedophiles

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I received the initial "leak: from a member of Wikileaks, thorugh my wikinewsie e-mail account. I forwarded the relative document through scoop@wikinewsie.org. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Look out kiddy fiddlers!
Interesting article.... but surely now that this has been published on something as high profile as wikinews; which probably means that it'll be reproduced in print worldwide... won't paedophiles now know not to use those symbols anymore? There's probably a reason why the FBI (or whoever) didn't make it public that they knew about this. This article is a 'heads-up' to child abusers IMHO. In the worst case scenario it may have helped a child abuser avoid conviction. Shane.Bell 08:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The BLogo, GLogo and CLogo are public symbols of pride, and one can't be arrested for their use. Being a paedophile is not a crime. IdiotVictim 06:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that being a paedophile was a crime. The term I referred to as being illegal was 'child abuser' which certainly is. Either way, unless your definition of paedophile is the literal Greek and 'soft' definition of someone who is friends with children then both are illegal. At least in my country. In England, downloading inappropriate images of children or simply taking a camera to certain places like schools will land you in very hot water. Personally I try to have absolutely nothing to do with kids as this country is currently in the grips of mass hysteria with the new Folk Devil that has been created from the very small number of genuinely sick and abusive individuals who are out there.

 * My previous comment was based on the false knowledge that the symbols in the article were as described (ie. covert symbols used by child abusers). If they were such; then their use (although certainly not illegal) would prompt an investigation which may lead to a conviction. That is why I said worst case scenario. However, it now seems that the symbols are not what they were first reported to be; so this may have all been a gigantic waste of everyone's time. Shane.Bell 11:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Source
You can't trust Wikileaks as a reliable source! I am sure anyone could put something on there. Contralya 08:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just like Wikinews you mean? :) Shane.Bell 09:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But isn't there a line of conduct? I mean, Wikinews is about confirmed events in the world and it's content is closely controlled. Wikileak is something anyone can put stuff on, say that it is real, and no-one would dispute the content in the way wikipedia or wikinews is in order to keep with guidelines. Wikileak is an unreliable source for an article... Contralya 10:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So Wikileaks is unreliable? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned Wikileaks is as reliable a source as any... Wikileaks IS controlled. Wikileaks content IS examined and verified as far as possible and IS disputed at times. Compare this to corporate news entities which run stories based on reports (sometimes based on the testimonies of people with alterior motives and bias) and who may or may not bother to verify that anything they print is correct; depending on how they feel and often whether or not it is in the company's interests to disprove a story. If these news bodies are reliable then I have no problem with Wikileaks. Shane.Bell 12:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Not really 'exposed'
These logos are not some sort of secret underground symbol as the article seems to imply. Do a Google image search for childlove, girlove, or boylove and you'll find them awfully easily.
 * lol, just the google cache I want on my computer...I'll take your word for it ;) Sherurcij 22:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Heck they were on Wikipedia up until the big "pedo purge", actually, the "GLove" symbol is still there. --TUFKAAP 23:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You've got a good point, these aren't exactly secret, when I investigate these networks they're posted all over the place. Sherurcij, you don't really have anything to be afraid of, having a site in your cache isn't problematic if there's no illegal pics, which I don't think there are any on those forums.

Triangles and hearts
One thing that's confusing about these symbols is that triangles are for boys and hearts for girls... okay... but for the butterfly symbol, it is created out of hearts. Shouldn't it be created out of 2 hearts and 2 triangles by merging the symbols or something? It seems pretty inconsistant with the prior ones. Not to mention, since they use 'love' rather than 'abuse' in their lingo, it seems biased to say that the butterfly represents child abusers. Not everyone who uses it necessarily has abused someone. Tyciol (talk) 01:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is a document signed for the fbi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.255.187.82 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Most are not child abusers
"The last logo, 'The ChildLover logo' (CLogo), "resembles a butterfly and represents non-preferential gender child abusers," added the document."

Not all, in fact most, pedophiles are not child abusers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.67.18 (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Better version of the butterfly
[[Media:Pedophile-butterfly.svg]] is by far superior technically to the image currently used, but semantically is identical. Beta M (talk) 11:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


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Comments:Iran reveals nuclear weapons designs to IAEA

The headline for this piece of news is completely misleading and doesn't make justice to it's content! It should be changed to describe the report more accurately.
 * Then why don't you:
 * 1) Try posting this under collaboration, or better yet,
 * 2) Be bold and renamed the headline.
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Comments:FBI document reviews symbols used by pedophiles

Paedophile Ice Cream
Is this well known Brittish ice cream company a front for child abuse? Is this company manufacturing a product specifically designed and marketed to allow paedophiles to bribe children in to bed...? It certainly appears so! Shane.Bell 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Curse the villainous frozen treat!--194.66.175.82 11:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The heart logo is the Good Humor (ice cream brand) logo.
 * The heart logo is the 'Heartbrand' logo. It's all the same company as Walls and it's all owned by the English/Dutch Unilever company. They go by the Good Humor brand in the states and various other brandnames worldwide which they bought out. Breyers and Ben&Jerrys are also Heartbrand brands... paedophilia has it tentacles deeper in the frozen desserts industry than you think.Shane.Bell 16:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What stupidity that is. 70.171.191.212 15:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well... yes it is. They're basically relying on the good reputation of all the companies they swallowed. It's pretty much the norm. That's the world we live in. Pepsico are just as bad; they own pepsi, tropicana, gatorade, Walkers, lay's, doritos, Starbucks frappuccino and mountain dew. Pepsico used to own Yum Brands food companies too; which is now a separate conglomerate consisting of East Dawning, KFC, Long John Silver's, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and Wing Street. You think you have a choice, but you're really still paying the same guy. People complain about supercorporations like Microsoft and McDonalds but it's literally just the tip of the iceberg. If you live in England you'll already be familiar with Wetherspoons. Then there's the Mars confectionary company who amongst other things make chocolate bars and cat food... hope they wash their hands... I think I feel sick. Shane.Bell 08:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh noes, the FBI finally found easily accessable public knowledge that wasn't even hidden in the first place. The FBI is given too much credit. RaphaelFaunus 03:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The Childlove "symbol" kinda looks like the 4chan logo. I smells a conspiracy afoot.

The assertion that the story is exclusive, is faulty. Only the classified parts of the document have recently come to light (old version: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:2vNKqifRdloJ:www.ci.ann-arbor.mi.us/SafetyServices/Police/3-14-07.pdf+pedophile+logos&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=uk), and they do not relate to the subject matter of your story. Many stories have been written using exactly the same information, from the slightly less detailed document. For this reason, I have removed the talk about exclusivity. Daniel Lièvre 23:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

the fbi is really paranoid!
have they ever read http://clogo.org/? there is nothing more harmless than the colorful butterfly used by folks who have pledged never to hurt a child. if law enforcement officials' human nature were not sad i could be rolling on the floor laughing! 84.191.16.148 00:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "how we can be sure that this i..."
how we can be sure that this is true? there's no official word about it and just a pdf wich anyone can do. Please back up with official info!! —190.162.15.29 (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "this is good information anoth..."
this is good information another thing to look for when you have a bad feeling about some one —98.229.239.61 (talk) 14:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


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Talk:Rhode Island representative Patrick Kennedy pleads guilty to DUI

Patrick J. Kennedy, official Congressional photo.JPG
Please change the image used to Image:Patrick J. Kennedy, official Congressional photo.JPG. Thanks. Siebrand 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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as an accredited reporter, would you consider activating Wikinews email, so that people can email you from the Wiki?

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IRC
I'm trying to get to IRC using the webclient, but I am not really experienced with IRC... The article however is at your disposal to add more info, I'll leave it alone for now... Theo Assen - (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you OK? Please be careful! I tried to contact thru Yahoo messenger, not sure if this will work. I'm not really a computerspecialist.... Theo Assen - (talk) 19:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC) My Yahoo-id is "Theo S" Theo Assen - (talk) 19:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am OK. Just tear gas came across two streets... I'll turn on my yahoo. --millosh (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In the meantime I am downloading mIRC, so that would allow me to use IRC too... Note that I be glad to help, but my native language is Dutch. But I think we'll manage together... Theo Assen - (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Criss Angel challenges Uri Geller and Jim Callahan over paranormal claims

criss angel:call Marge/California/Mo.Co/(93901) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.201.15 (talk) 03:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I never believed Uri Geller was a psychic. Prior to reading this article, I had never even heard of Callahan. What I would like to see is for one the psychics from CourtTV's "Psychic Detectives" to take up Criss' challenge. Seeing as these are people that have solved crime cases due to their abilities, I'm very curious to see how Criss would react when they take up the challenge and win. Raphael s 13:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * James Randi offers one million dollars for anyone to demonstrate paranormal abilities. Remember "Psychic Detectives" is a TV show and people like Noreen Renier appear on that. Renier recently made news for her lawsuit with a skeptic. She was given a choice to either pay the nearly $50,000 she was ordered to pay the skeptic or take James Randi's test. Renier declined to take the test. Maybe Renier doesn't have faith in her "abilities." Reetweert 01:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Was it Fraud by Criss Angel & NBC?
I accepted Angels challange and as of yet no proof he had a million to put up.

NBC told me they could not confirm it or eliminate the chance of his cheating on the challange.\

Jim Callahan

http://wwwJimClass.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.96.166 (talk) 03:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

 * If Gellar was speaking truthfully about his paranormal power (which I do not believe) then he should have aquried one million dollars that day. Criss was right for challenging him that day and before he even did so, i thought the performance was horrible and under thought —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.195.149 (talk) 08:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Jim, you wanted proof from a multi-millionaire/TV star, who just signed a $200 million- contract with the Luxor Hotel, for proof of $1 million? Boy, you really aren't psychic. A real psychic would know he easily has a million dollars. A semi-smart person would have opened a newspaper and discovered that too. C56C 18:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

 * If you do have paranormal abilities, the wise thing would be to prove it and shut the skeptics up. But alas, without that ability the only thing you have to complain about is a conspiracy about the money. That is very telling. You are not interested in the truth(ie proving something), but rather the money. C56C 18:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

criss angel is amazing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.158.254.66 (talk) 13:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Rock on Criss!!
Callahan's a freakin JERK!!!!!!!!! TEAM ANGEL! TEAM ANGEL! TEAM ANGEL!!!!!!!

magic is fun, not a science.
Please stop thinking that magicians can really fly or get a rabbit out of an 'empty hat. Its just tricks but the fun is in us not understanding how its done. BTW, I didn't know Wiki news allows comments?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.206.81 (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

!!!!!!
I'm always backing Angel, or Randi!! Anyone who, being in the position to do so, "slams" the pseudo-scientific frauds is my hero. I wish they'd go after John Edwards continuously and relentlessly!!!!_65.64.177.107 15:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Chris Angel punking pschyc Frauds...
rotflmmfao!!!! Professional magician busts psychic phonies on live television! You go Chris Angel! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.45.4.248 (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Awesome!!!!!!!!"
Awesome!!!!!!!! —208.93.60.193 (talk) 14:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Angel is 0 what else is on the..."
Angel is 0 what else is on the world —78.3.126.209 (talk) 11:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "helow criss angel ilove yow"
helow criss angel ilove yow —92.50.20.77 (talk) 05:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Very good, perhaps more about ..."
Very good, perhaps more about James Randi. —91.145.123.232 (talk) 19:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Paranormal is not a phoneomen or phenomen is not a paranormal?If paranormal has no scientific explantion and if we can not explain some of the tricks and stuff we see on tv in guys like chriss angel then we can truely say with our hands on our hearts that he is a paranormal phenomen.Who would not say that levitation is beyond normal and needs abilities and techniques that we do not all know?Go and get yourself and buy a moksha from the corner of the street practice some zen in the middle of the road inspire some new breathing techniques and there you can do it:ha.But the idea that all this is a illusion and a freak show makes me really believe that is not real and then that is amasing real.Did he played it or was it true,should i think in my mind at the women with two babies?hey chriss do you want solomon to establish if you are a true phenomen or to you want to cut your milion in two :ha

If it's so easy, why isn't everyone doing it.


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Ruling coalition keeps majority after parliamentary election in Denmark

November 15, 2007

The votes for the 2007 election in Denmark have been counted. Of the 179 Folketing seats, 2 represent Greenland and 2 represent Faroe Islands as part of the Danish commonwealth. The results are as follow:

The minority incumbent coaltion of Venstre and Konservative secured just enough votes to score a majority with the support of Dansk Folkeparti and stay on as the government.

Speculation about the results centered on whether the government would have had to curry the favor of new-comer, Ny Alliance who won 5 seats, to stay in power.


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Miss America has 3 children..!


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Chris Langham's sentence for downloading child porn reduced

November 14, 2007

British comedy actor Chris Langham has won an appeal to have the sentence reduced in his conviction for downloading indecent images of children from the internet. Originally sentenced to 10 months in prison, Langham's sentence has now been cut to 6 months, and he is set to be released today.

Langham, 58, had been found guilty on 15 counts for downloading child pornography. Police claimed that several images found on Langham's computer were of the worst category, "Level 5" severity. However, Langham claimed that he was using the images for researching a character in a TV series called Help. Dame Heather Steel, one of Britain's most senior female judges agreed that the sentence could be cut.

Langham was arrested in 2005. During his original trial, Langham was found not guilty of indecently assaulting an underage girl. He had appealed his sentence previously, but was rejected in October 2006.


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it is such a pity things like this happen. many innocent lives have been gravely affectd by the massive destruction caused by the demonic minds of people.

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Comments:Iran reveals nuclear designs to IAEA

Nuclear Weapons?? I thought wikinews is unbiased
It's clear whoever wrote this article had one thing in mind. All of the designs submitted by Iran were for the purpose of transparency and none what so ever could even suggest the slightest weapon aim except for peaceful power generation purposes. The analogy here is as if a company submitted plans for a new opiate medication to help the sick, and a news reporter said the medicine "could be used to sell to heroin addicts and illicit markets by the company" without no proof just to hype up an interest.

Anything nuclear, even a pellet of uranium can be used for peace or for bombs. There is no evidence for any weapons programmes despite the Zionist hungry media trying to impose false defaming views on Iran to feed Israel's interests, domination and safety in the region. In the same manner WMD was the hyped up false accusations of pre-invaded Iraq. It seems any government who opposes Israel's domineering views is being removed by the USA. It's simple, either be an semitic, or an anti-semitic. Either be with them, or against them. Thats the real war.

Please change the title, and have a look at the plans yourself. --78.86.117.164 19:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Dalai Lama's representative talks about China, Tibet, Shugden and the next Dalai Lama

Wow!
I feel a complete ignorant; I didn't know there were "Bhuddist Ambassadors" or whatever... Anyway, great interview! Very much to the point, and when they talk about lying, homosexuality and killing insects (lol), it seemed to me that Bhuddism seems a pretty comprehensive religion... Not as Christianity or Islam -.-. Anyway, great interview! Seems as though China has a lot to learn from the Dalai Lama. - Jurock (reply) 20:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

'Buddhism' and 'Tibetan Buddhism' are two different religions in the same way Roman Catholicism and Mormonism are two different religions. Tibetans do kill insects and yaks, as Tibetans (including the DL) eat meat. The DL explained that he had given great thought to the killing of animals for food; it is better to kill one big animal such as a yak or a cow than to kill lots of little animals such as chickens. The point being that each one animal has one 'soul'/'carnation' each. So those who eat shrimps- watch out!!!! 81.159.81.146 20:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Clarification and thanks
I submitted the question that prompted this exchange: '''DS: Do you know why the Dalai Lama has not explicitly said he is a reincarnation of the Dalai Lama?
 * TS: In the broader sense, it is a manifestation, so you can manifest in different ways.  He is talking in that sense.  It’s a broad principle argument.

'''DS: It’s that he believes he is a reincarnation, but whether he is the whole and sum of the 13th Dalai Lama is another question?
 * TS: Yes.  Yes.  Something to that effect.

Can anyone clarify this for me? Thanks a lot to David for incorporating my question and to anyone who can explain what this means... Koavf 23:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think what TW is saying is that the whole Buddhist idea of the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama is not as simple as his soul leaving the body of the 13th Dalai Lama and popping in to the new born body of the 14th. From what I understand it's more of an embodiment of the Dalai Lama's ideals and a spiritual torch-bearer than a case of 'same person - different body'. Kinda like the idea of the Catholic Trinity; ie. Jesus died and returned as the Holy Ghost which is one and the same as Jesus and God; rather than 'man dies and comes back'. I also got the feeling that it's a more complicated belief than TW wanted to approach in a single interview. Shane.Bell 11:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The Evil Empire
I wonder if the PRC will grumble it's 'disapproval' of Wikinews over interacting with the Dalai Lama like it does everytime a government official meets with him :)

Even though I don't quite approve of the cult of celebrity that has become attached to the Dalai Lama, I think this interview is a milestone in the development of Wikinews as a serious organisation. Maybe next time we can talk to the Dalai Lama himself. Shane.Bell 11:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Planning to get to speak to the Dalai Lama is going to be tricky. His schedule is set so far in advance. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, Brian. And with his recent 'retirement' this may get worse... or maybe he'll have more time to talk to people; who knows. I believe it will happen though :) Shane.Bell 12:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Hey, reader's digest got him, and he talked about his favourite TV shows. I'm sure we could at least get 10 minutes with him, if nothing else. --  Zanimum 00:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Why does this always end up China-bashing and Chinese-bashing? After the DL met Pope John Paul II, his Holiness the Pope issued a statement warning people not to be seduced by those eastern beliefs. His Holiness the DL then replied by saying that he understood and that Tibetan Buddhism is not for everybody. China recognises the DL whereas the billion or so Roman Catholics do not. So why not have a go at the Vatican? 81.159.81.146 20:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

About Tashi Wangdi's comments on the Karmapa issue
Tashi Wangdi's answers regarding the Karmapa issue are disappointing.

This doesn't really answer the question. When the Dalai Lama was approached by someone to weigh in on the matter, he made a decision to go ahead and get involved. This might by itself be an innocuous decision if there was no controversy at the time (although it's not clear to me that he did any checking first to see if there was a controversy). However, later, when it became clear that there was a controversy, the decision was made to continue taking sides.

This is not true. Or, at least, it's the first the time I've heard someone assert this. Going by the account of Mick Brown, an English journalist who is highly sympathetic to Ogyen Trinley Dorje and the Dalai Lama (which agrees with this timeline from Ogyen Trinley's website), there were actually two instances, a few weeks apart, when the Dalai Lama confirmed Ogyen Trinley as the Karmapa. The first occurred on June 9, 1992: Tai Situ and Gyaltsab Rinpoche telephoned the Dalai Lama in Brazil to tell him they had found the Karmapa, and the Dalai Lama replied by issuing a letter giving his preliminary approval. The Shamarpa was not available for comment at that point (he had returned from a lengthy trip to the United States at almost exactly the same time). Three weeks later, on June 30, the Dalai Lama issued a formal statement of approval. The day before, he had met with the Shamarpa who had pleaded with him not to go ahead with it. Now, he may have had good reasons for rejecting the Shamarpa's argument, but in neither case was the Dalai Lama actually approached by all sides to give the approval.

It is true that, in between these two events, the Shamarpa did issue a letter in which he went along with the recognition, apparently at the urging of one of his teachers. He seems to have changed his mind almost immediately.

I don't think this is a very healthy attitude at all. It is apparently the case that the majority of Karma Kagyu has sided with Ogyen Trinley Dorje. But, the implication here is that the other side is insignificant, which is not the case at all. The other candidate is supported by the highest-ranking religious figure in Karma Kagyu (besides the Karmapa himself) and apparently by a majority of the monks at the Karmapa's home monastery, Rumtek. This is highly significant in terms of recognising reincarnate lamas. The other candidate is also very likely supported by the majority of Karma Kagyu groups in Europe. So, the idea that there's nothing here to resolve seems counterproductive.

"He's travelling freely" again seems to sidestep the question. When will he be able to travel internationally? Surely, the Dalai Lama himself has just as many security concerns, if not more. But, he is able to travel widely. The "some security restrictions" Tashi Wangdi refers to: is the Dalai Lama under the same restrictions?—Nat Krause 04:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick note of correction here to what Nat has said above: I think most all of your questions and statements are valid, but it is worth noting that the monks currently at Rumtek do not support Thaye Dorje. The previous (and some would say, rightful) inhabitants of Rumtek, comprised of the 16th Karmapa's monks and labrang, were violently expelled in the early 1990's by other men in robes, some of whom claimed to be monks but were subsequently recognized by members of the Bhutanese police-force as various petty criminals apparently exported into Sikkim for just such a violent expulsion. In those days the 16th Karmapa's monks had not even taken a side yet, but just wanted to continue about their duties until the higher lamas resolved their dispute and the true Karmapa could come to reside there. Many of them ended up living as virtual refugees on Shamar's property in Sikkim and have over the years tended to become supporters of Thaye Dorje. The monks currently inhabiting Rumtek appear to still be a somewhat disorganized group of supporters of Gyaltsab Rinpoche and Tai Situ. --24.19.53.177 20:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Quite right. I definitely meant the original community of monks, the ones who lived there before the takeover.—Nat Krause - (talk) 02:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's hear from the subject, not the interviewer
The interviewer did a nice job, but went a little too far on the Gyancain Norbu questions. While it would seem that Norbu is a victim too, an interviewer shouldn't put words in the subject's mouth. Leading questions should be avoided in journalism. Short open ended simple questions should be used to allow the subject to tell their story in their own words.

I am a person with a disability and I am 35 years old and living on my own for five years this Sept 2008 thanks for your help dalai lama from Brita  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.195.246 (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


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Interview conducted in person in New York City on November 8, 2007. --David Shankbone 20:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Editorial notes
Personally, I think this is the most interesting interview by David so far. I had some difficulties however because I know nothing about the background of Tibetan Buddhism, so I added some editorial notes explaining some terms. I marked them with red., don't know if that's proper English though, so please copy-edit me there. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Steven. I think a bracket for editorial input is considered more appropriate [said David Shankbone - ed] <-- like that.  --David Shankbone 22:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes that looks a whole lot better, please format it accordingly (don't want to edit conflict you).--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Glad you liked the interview.  Sometimes I wonder if I cover too many topics in these; that thought battles with, "When else will  you have the opportunity to ask?" --David Shankbone 22:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I think you cover a lot but definitely not too much, so it's great. You also seem to research your articles very well. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is another great interview. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


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Far-right faction in European Parliament dissolved

November 14, 2007

The coalition  (ITS) in the, collapsed today after the Romanian delegates withdrew over a dispute with Italian , grand-daughter of dictator.

After a was accused of murdering the wife of an Italian naval officer recently, Ms Mussolini told the Romanian newspaper  on November 2nd: "Breaking the law has become a way of life for Romanians. However, it is not about petty crimes, but horrifying crimes, that give one goose bumps."

In her comment, Ms. Mussolini did not distinguish between Roma gipsies and the rest of Romanians, which the leader of the Romanian deputies,, found to be "a sacrilege toward our people". The far-right is running on an anti-Romani platform. Mr. Tudor went on to suggest that such a comment could be expected from the grand-daughter of Benito Mussolini, which Ms. Mussolini saw as an insult to her family.

After these five Romanian Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) left, the ITS only had 18 members left, whereas 20 members from six countries are needed to form a faction.

As a result of the dissolution, these MEPs will no longer be able to amend laws in the plenary meetings of the European Parliament, they will get less time to speech, and they will not be able to use the translator service or ask for certain financial contributions for their meetings. The bloc now misses out on an estimated €1.3 million.

Immigration tensions have soared recently in Italy, resulting in the expulsion of 20 Romanians. Since Romania joined the European Union, their citizens should be able to travel freely within the European Union, but Italy is considering restrictions on this right.

Beside the Greater Romania MEPs and several politicians from Italy, the ITS bloc was composed of members from Austria, Belgium , Bulgaria , France and individual politicians from the United Kingdom.

Attempts to form a far-right coalition in the European Parliament had previously been undertaken, but the ITS faction only came together last January, after Romania and Bulgaria had joined the European Union on January 1.

The survival of the group was already doubtful, according to polls which predicted an for the Greater Romania party in the elections on November 20.

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Several other political groups welcomed the break up, and the official announcement today was reportedly followed by some applause.

German MEP, head of the left , released a statement saying that: "The good news is that the [group] of the ultra-nationalists no longer exists and cannot use the money of the European taxpayer to support its xenophobia and neo-fascism."

According to leader : "They are a casualty of their own philosophy which paints all foreigners into a single mould and encourages  and racist comments and remarks which have no place in the European Union. ... The irony of a Mussolini destroying the coherence of a far-right group will not be lost on Europeans from  to ."

English green MEP put it this way: "This collection of unsavoury European politicians were united only by hatred — be it of other races, nationalities, sexualities or, ironically, the EU — and it was only a matter of time before they succumbed to a hatred of each other as well."


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Internally distributed DHS memo: al-Qaeda and Hezbollah may attack U.S. within three years

November 15, 2007

In an exclusive report, Wikinews has obtained documents via Wikileaks that state al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and or single interest groups is planning to attack the United States homeland within three years, this according to a 27-page internally distributed memo circulated by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on the threat of al-Qaeda. The document also details al-Qaeda's threat in other parts of the world including Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and Pakistan. Wikileaks claims that the report was published on October 22, 2007.

"Al-Qaeda is intent in striking the U.S. homeland and the U.S. will face a persistent and evolving terrorist threat over the next three years. Al-Qaeda homeland plotting is likely to continue to focus on prominent political, economic, and infrastructure targets. Lebanese Hezbollah may (also) attempt to attack the Homeland and non-muslim, 'single-issue' groups will probably conduct attacks," stated the report which also said that likely targets include the "mass transit sector and the aviation sectors."

The alleged attacks include "mass casualties, visually dramatic destruction, significant economic aftershocks and fear amongst the U.S. population" using "improvised explosives, carried or vehicle borne. Existence of radical, self-generating cells suggest that the U.S. is not immune to what we judge as an expanding radical and violent segment in the west," added the report.

Retailers across the U.S. have also reported to law enforcement agencies that customers purchasing cellular phones "visited multiple locations and purchased hundreds or thousands of phones, attempted to conceal their identity, were described as Middle Eastern and used gift cards or cash."

"DHS and FBI assessed that most individuals engaged in such purchases were taking advantage of discounted prices in the U.S.and reselling the phones for profit overseas. DHS and the FBI also determined some buyers were associated to terrorist networks. The suspected motive was fundraising." Some of these activities were recorded as far back as 2006.

In regards to Iraq, al-Qaeda "is committed to removing U.S. and Coalition troops and returning Iraq to an Islamic state governed with Shari’a law. In Africa they "sought mergers with groups in to further its agenda and has made frequent statements on the importance of Sudan and Somalia as fronts in the global jihad. And in Afghanistan is their "former safehaven and a key component of their strategy in promoting a global jihad."

The report also states that the DHS has investigated a "serious" claim that the Fort Peck Dam will "be attacked by an improvised explosive device (IED) in January 2008." It also investigated a claim that "10,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate was reportedly stolen from a truck driver," but the DHS states that both claims "were found to be not terrorism related."

The report also adds that the DHS "lacks credible information to indicate planning for an attack against the Food and Agriculture sector," but also states that they will continue to investigate the possibility of a threat.

To conclude the report, the DHS states that there is no current information to suggest an imminent attack on the U.S..

"[There has been an] interesting convergence of incidents; but no definite terrorism nexus" and there is no "discernable patterns or trends emerged to date to suggest preoperational activity."


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Researched to write from official government document. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The link you attribute to Homeland Security a link to Wikileaks. --SVTCobra 01:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See below. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

come on
What is with you guys? Wikileaks is NOT a reliable source for information! If you think it is, and are concerned about reliable sources for things not from wikileaks, than you are a hypocrite. Contralya 01:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See first source from USDA. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That source wasn't listen when I posted my message. Just two wikileaks links. Contralya 09:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This article verges on slander
I have a real problem with the headline - "Hezollah planning to attack the US" no less! The evidence for this? ONE line in a 27 page slide-show which says "Lebanese Hizballah may attempt to attack the Homeland" (my emphasis). Is there a single word, anywhere, to back this up? Not a single one! It's hardly news that the DHS has published an internal document trying to beat up every conceivable threat it can. This statement verges on slander as it stands, and should be removed.

I talk in detail about how absurd the source document is - see the comments section. --Dox96 02:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just added a source from the USDA. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is close to not news!
Atleast remove it from second lead or god kills a kitten. international 02:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this a leak or not?
Now I'm really confused. Is this a leaked document or not? At first, it appears to come from Wikileaks. Now, thanks to the new source added, it appears that the document has actually been publically available for at least 3 weeks! I haven't looked closely, but the two documents appear to be the same. I don't understand how it's even news. The document itself is a joke. See here where I go into detail about how unreliable this document is as a source of information. And I'm still not happy with the accusations on Hezbollah. There is no evidence provided to back up this statement. What does "may" mean anyway? 50% chance? 20% chance? 0.0001% chance? There's a chance that Brad Pitt may attack the US! After all, I suppose its possible for him to sustain a head injury leading to mental illness causing paranoia leading to an attack. Well? It may happen. Maybe a 0.0000001% chance, but still theoretically possible I suppose. I'm not suggesting that it's that unlikely for Hezbollah to attack, but you have as much as an idea as I what the probability is. (And I suspect the DHS has no idea either). I'm not the only one with a problem with this article. I suggest that it should be moved back to the development stage, but frankly I can't see how it can be rescued. --Dox96 04:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


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Neutrality concerns
This article makes heavy use of POV terms like "far-right" and "ultra-right" for certain parties and uses neutral terms like "mainstream" for others. WP only goes as far as describing the former groups as "described as right-wing" or other similar nomenclature. Greens, Socialists and Allied Liberals are in the group of "mainstream" but are they not "left-wing"? --SVTCobra 00:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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Comments:Chris Langham's sentence for downloading child porn reduced

 * should we be putting people in prison for simply viewing child porn, or should we concentrate our efforts into those who produce it? afterall, who does it harm when one views it? -Imind 00:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the argument goes "If you remove the demand for child pornography, it will kill of the supply". theres probably some validity to this argument but it doesnt acount for the imporatant factor that the suppliers are child abusers and have their own reasons for supplying it. And the harder you make it to find child porn the harder time the police have finding it to catch the abusers. SO its all quite complicated i think upto a year for veiwing the stuff is alright.

Better solutions are needed
A policy based on an ideology of censorship is never going to be satisfying on a legal standpoint, even if it is otherwise effective. The U.S. has already gone back on the notion of punishing "simulated child pornography" - a ruling long overdue in the case of artist Mike Diana, whose comic strip tried to call attention to the abuses countenanced by the Catholic Church a decade before the scandal broke but only got him prosecuted. A case like this reminds us that when all you prove is a picture on a computer, you really don't have any idea what kind of man or what kind of danger is actually present, and it's a crime you could easily "frame" someone for if so inclined. The pictures lead of course, to a crime so distressing that many are willing to sacrifice a few innocent oddballs in action against it, but we should look to assemble a raft of other solutions that children may find a safer refuge.

One good idea that was proposed recently is to award the children victimized to make child pornography the copyright over the unauthorized photographs, allowing them to use civil procedures to recover damages from pedophiles. Even though the civil actions seem much less severe, by putting control in the hands of victims and making their crusades self-funding, we might see more accomplished than with more draconian penalties.

We also need some more systematic way to deal with child molestors once identified. Currently the favorite options are a) to let them loose in a neighborhood and use a Web site to warn all the neighbors that they're supposed to beat them up themselves, or b) to lock them up forever based on a quack psychiatrist's guess that they might be harmful. I say we can do better. For example, we should consider the use of internal exile (hopefully in a bit more humane fashion than the Soviet Union, but the same idea) to sequester child molestors in isolated locations where there are truly no children, not just poor children.

Most importantly, there has to be some way to treat these people, and the research should not be written off as hopeless. I know that earlier efforts to "cure" homosexuals have left a strong distaste for any similar idea, but I don't think the situation is the same. The human organism has been evolved over millions of years to love men or women, and it's easy to see how a very strong innate preference toward one sex could be hard to override. But I can't believe there's some buried genetic program to ensure that people are attracted only to children - there's no reason for such mental circuitry ever to have evolved at all. So let's fund more research and see an end to this problem. 70.15.116.59 04:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

"Research"
Why do they always claim they are "researching." He's a pedo, leave him in jail. Rogutaan 03:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

They should jail people for making half-arsed statements without knowing the facts, you know Chris do you Rogutaan?.60.234.154.203 10:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Pat Robertson endorses Rudy Giuliani for President

Wall of Separation
Amazing! Yet another “story” about a religious figure messing in US politics, so much for separation of church and state. And it is only our national complacency, our lack of individual will in the maintenance of our government, that allows these waters to be constantly muddied in this manner. Does god by inference endorse Rudolph Giuliani’s candidacy? Shouldn’t we, as members of an egalitarian democracy, ask the representation from a variety of deities to cover all our bases?

Thomas Jefferson amongst others developed a “Wall of Separation” between these two aspects of social order and cultural organization. Originally the idea was that government should not become involved in the deeply personal matters of religion or the relationship between a man and his god. This wall was intended to prevent traffic in both directions, a critical point that contemporary Americans have completely ignored. Where else in the world would one be able to find civil governments so deeply influenced by the messages some deity may have passed along to his closest human intimates? How is this sitation working out for the average Joe in any sample Islamic regime?

The balance maintained by this check cannot exist unless the citizens of the country enforce the notion as a matter of personal policy. We own our relationship with our god and we must disregard any attempt to usurp this individual liberty. If I want to know who Pat Robertson votes for President in the next election I’ll visit his church November 9th, 2008. --Wonkothesane 01:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Not the first bad call from this one
Well, Robertson was the head cheerleader for Liberian dictator Charles Taylor, and we know how that went. He can sure pick 'em... 70.15.116.59 05:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Did the "Religious Right" even exist before Reagan?
Forgive a non-American for not knowing all the gory details of how these wing-nut evangelicals have any political influence, but didn't they used to say their congregations shouldn't vote? --Brian McNeil / talk 23:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Internally distributed DHS memo: al-Qaeda and Hezbollah may attack U.S. within three years

Beat-Up!
What a huge beat-up this article is! It looks far more the result of an agency desperately trying to defend its overbloated funding than any real serious analysis of any threat. It's not even a "report" - it's a slide show! It provides absolutely no evidence to back up its assertions as it's merely a summary of what they think at the moment. Leaked eh? Yeah, I bet I know by who! Or maybe it was leaked to show just how pathetic the DHS is?

The document is so absurd it's laughable. I love the bit scarily titled "Terrorist Threat to Food and Agriculture", where "environmental extremists" may "target" food and agriculture - presumably those anti-GM guys I suppose. How they pose a "terrorist threat" is beyond me. Maybe they're thinking of attacking GM crops with a radioactive dirty bomb? Are you sure Wikileaks didn't get this from The Onion?

But the best bit would have to be the "Recent Suspicious Activity" section. This is where I was certain I would find some serious evidence leading to their current conclusions. And it looked VERY serious - 10,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate stolen! Fort Peck Dam going to be attacked by an IED! Oh my God! But wait...."both reports were found not to be terrorism related"!!!!! I just about fell out of my chair laughing.

Next was "Bulk Cell Phone Purchase Activity" ... oh no! Those evil terrorists are trying to build more IEDs! And the activity was VERY suspicious! The purchasers were "described as Middle Eastern"! They used "gift cards or cash"! I can't believe it's not already a crime just to do that! And the motive? (cue spooky background music) Profit!!! Yes, that's right! People are buying cheap mobile phones in the US to resell overseas at a profit!!! I was rolling on the floor at this stage. But wait - apparently some buyers were related to "terrorist networks" ..... maybe some of those phones will be used in IEDs after all?? *Bzzzzzz* Wrong! The motive was ...... FUNDRAISING!!!! At this stage I was choking on my laughter as my co-workers looked on with worried expressions.

And get this - the conclusion of this section ended with "Interesting convergence of incidents; but no definite terrorism nexus"!!!! My co-workers called an ambulance.

Somehow I suspect that Middle Easterners with terrorist connections using cash to purchase lots of mobile phones in the US aren't the only ones trying to do some fundraising. My conclusion of this document is - "Interesting convergence of stupidity; and no definite competence nexus".

I suggest that you do just a little analysis of documents before you turn them into news items if you don't want to look as stupid as the DHS obviously is. --Dox96 02:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Bold text

 * I'm glad someone got the big picture. More or less anyhow.. 70.171.191.212 15:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Same here. This article states the Pentagon's assertions as fact.

- This whole article smells fishy.

Well.. DUH
Of course they are planning to. They've probably been wishing and planning to do so for years. And will be for years, whether or not they are successful in doing so. How much did US taxpayers pay to have the DHS tell us something my dog knows? Qaphsiel 04:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

As good as can be hoped for
Maybe sometime in the next three years someone will set off a bomb - at least it's not imminent. If this still seems at all worrisome, bear in mind that drunk driving kills 18,000 Americans per year. If the Muslims remain at 1.0 percent of the population in the next three years and avoid 540 drunk driving deaths by not drinking, we can indulge them up to three little Oklahoma City style bombings and still make out with a profit. (see Drunk driving (United States), Islam by country, Oklahoma City bombing for background data) 70.15.116.59 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Al WikiJazeera
If Al Qaeda wrote a wikinews article detailing their plans and threats to the West with the intention of inflicting terror, then it would read exactly like this. Moral Panic articles like this and the report it is based on almost make the IEDs redundant. Shane.Bell 09:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

America worldleader?
It shouldn't be a surprise that America can never be a serious candidate for worldleadership anymore. With this kind of stupidity, the whole world doesn't laugh, but gets really angry.Daanschr--82.139.82.234 18:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The world has seldom had a leader, and much less often needed one. But as screwed up as the current situation may be, America should not be written off by any means.  For some reason the U.S. repeatedly falls under the domination of crooks and swindlers who deny basic rights and decency - slaveowners, robber barons, war profiteers, and corporate imperialists have taken over the whole country over and over.  But just as often, out of nowhere, there have popped up abolitionists, labor unionists, peace activists, and patriots who each go through their decade of persecution and injustice to found a mass movement so they can take a shillelagh to all the crooked corridors of power.  The U.S. is headed down, but not out - not unless those people are finally gone for good. 70.15.116.59 18:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh no!
My goodness! I'd better make sure to vote for a tough pro-war candidate during the 2008 Presidential election, or America is going to get blowed up again!!

It's like 2004 all over again. Crap.

Yeah right
Absolute rubbish, these Bush apologists are just trying to cover up the fact that Bush dropped the ball before 9/11, if they do attack, I'll eat my hat. TrumpyNZ 04:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

It's normal to consider this 'imaginary' future attack from Al-qaeda, which- I think- will exploit any weakness in the American government to make a big attack to US to change into a muslim country, but Hezboullah don't show and didn't do anything that make doubts that it's an attacking organization! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.200.184 (talk) 13:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


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Though it means "Mother Night" was not so realistic after all, I doubt Kurt Vonnegut would have been all that disappointed. 70.15.116.59 04:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:Gelsey30

Water, water everywhere, but not a single drop of pure water to drink! This could be the scene after 25 years. Use and misuse of water is happening everywhere. The world’s huge population of six billion people is using about 54% of all accessible fresh water contained in rivers, lakes and underground aquifers. By 2025, the share of human beings will be around 70%. These estimates are alarming. We will have less water for other species. On the other hand there are cases where we can find people misusing water in agriculture and most of the time while showering, cooking, cleaning utensils, floors, cars or while watering plants. Overuse of water has created scarcity of water in many places. In many countries women are facing big problems in collecting water for drinking and other household chores.

Despite knowing the importance of water to our health and overall well-being, we are increasingly becoming disrespectful to water. We abuse it. We waste it. We pollute it forgetting the fact that water is so vital to our survival. Scarcity and misuse has created a serious problem for mankind. Water-related diseases are increasing day by day. It’s a human tragedy. Water-borne diseases are killing more than 5 million people each year – 10 times the amount killed in war. About 2-3 billion people suffer from diseases linked to dirty water. Some 60 percent of all infant mortality worldwide is linked to infectious and parasitic diseases, most of them are water-related. The water-borne diseases that affect human beings are cholera, typhoid, shigella, polio, meningitis, hepatitis A & E and diarrhoea among others. Every day, at least 6,000 deaths mostly among children under five are happening due to diarrhea disease. These figures are frightening and it stresses the need for a quality water filter. Water filters provide a quality solution to all drinking problems and it gives you water at affordable prices. It is much cheaper than the bottled water. It also helps us to protect environment as plastic bottles are threat to environment. There are many companies who have water filters in the market. In U.S.A., Aquasana is the leading name in water filters. It has water filters of various shapes and sizes in the market. It comes with a lifetime warranty. The after sales service of aquasana is quite good.

Water filters have changed the way of living. It has brought smile back on the faces of millions of people. Many people are leading healthy life once again. Time has come for other people to switch to a better quality water filter.

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Comments:Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007 held on wikis and education

I'm amazed there's nothing here on the comments page. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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2007 Baseball World Cup: Quarter Finalists appeared last 2 days with some disputes

November 15, 2007

Before the Quarter Final of 2007 Baseball World Cup, there had some conflicts and disputes at last 2 days' group qualification.

Netherlands ended Cuba's winning-streak legend
Formerly, Netherlands wasn't afraid of Cuba's strength because they ever won Cuba with 4-2 at 2000 Sydney Olympics, and competed with Cuba to a 11-innings' extra match, though they finally lost with Cuba's winning hit.

Before the 8th inning of this match, a pitching competition tied this game with 1-1. But in the bottom of 8th inning, Sharnol Adriana hit a key hit with 1 RBI when Cuba's relief pitcher Jonder Martinez was in a unsteady condition. With this key RBI, Netherlands finally ended Cuba's legend by winning this game with 2-1.

A simple game faded with some political bullies' entrances in Taichung
The host team (Chinese Taipei) battled USA in Taichung with a fantastic batting game, but in the side of this game, some councilors from Taichung City and supporters from councilors bully entered the stadium with illegal privileges. After this scandal spread out to Taichung City Government, Jason Hu, the Mayor of Taichung, angered on this scandal and ordered polices and organizations from 2007 BWC investigating this scandal with justice.

Mexico replaced Panama's qualification due to problems of Panama's insurance premium
According to IBAF and MLB, if one or more MLB players participate international games like BWC or Intercontinental Cup, affiliated teams with those (MLB) players should pay the insurance premium to complete the registration before the start of every game. But Panama Team was confiscated the winning to Spain because they (Panama) didn't pay the premium at a match to Spain. IBAF finally judged Spain won Panama with 9A-0 by this violation. Comparison to the fixtures and statistics, Panama was eliminated and Mexico Team replaced Panama's qualification at Group A.

Group A

 * South Africa 2-4 USA
 * Japan 10A-0 Italy
 * Spain 1-19A Mexico
 * Chinese Taipei 10-0 Panama

Group B

 * Cuba 11A-1 Thailand
 * Germany 2-4 Australia
 * Venezuela 3-6 Canada
 * Netherlands 5-1 South Korea

Group A

 * Spain 3-4 Japan
 * Italy 2-11 Mexico
 * South Africa 3-13A Panama
 * USA 10-7 Chinese Taipei

Group B

 * South Korea 8-1 Germany
 * Australia 7-6 Canada
 * Thailand 3-17A Venezuela

Final Standings of Group Matches
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 * 2) Due to the problem of insurance premium, Panama was confiscated the winning to Spain.
 * 3) Canada and South Korea both won 4 games and lost 3 games, but Korea finally qualified because a winning game from Canada with 5-0.

Tomorrow's Fixtures for Quarter Final

 * Japan (A3) vs Australia (B2)
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Magnitude 7.7 earthquake strikes Antofagasta, Chile

November 15, 2007

Authorities in Chile say at least two people have been killed and more than 100 injured after a powerful earthquake struck in the north, sending terrified residents into the streets and cutting power to some of the country's copper mines. According to the United States Geological Survey (USGS), the quake struck on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 at 15:40:53 UTC.

Officials said two women were killed Wednesday when their houses in the town of Tocopilla collapsed during the 7.7 magnitude earthquake. They also said another person may have died in a tunnel collapse there, which has trapped some 50 workers.

Government spokesperson Ricardo Lagos said "They will be evacuated by the Navy via the ocean. As far as we know there are no injured or dead [among the workers]."

The USGS said the quake was centered west of the town of Calama. It was felt as far away as the Chilean capital, Santiago, and neighboring Peru and Bolivia.

Television images showed cars crushed under the concrete awning of a hotel in Antofagasta, 170 kilometers south of the epicenter.

The police chief of Arequipa, Hernan Tamayo said, "People ran out into the streets because of how prolonged the quake was. There was a lot of alarm but no material or human damage."

The quake was followed by six aftershocks with magnitudes of up to 5.7. Additionally, the quake triggered a tsunami warning which was later lifted.

In Tocopilla, 115 people were injured. Mayor Luis Moyano said about 1,200 houses had been flattened. "Today, the people of Tocopilla are going to have to sleep in the streets," he said in a radio address.

In total, 3,000 homes have been destroyed in Chile, according to the Housing Minister. The government has airlifted hundreds of portable homes to provide shelter.

In August, an 8.0 magnitude earthquake struck Peru, killing about 540 people and injuring more than 1,000 others. The southern port city of Pisco was one of the areas devastated by the powerful quake, which lasted two minutes.


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Comments:Businessman Álvaro Colom wins Guatemalan Presidency

Why did Alvaro Colom win the presidency of Guatemala. The international left wing media has, in general terms, reported a biased viewpoint. I would encourage anyone interested in the matter to read my article explaining the outcome of this election at www.abaldizon.blogspot.com


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Cyclone Sidr smashes Bangladesh's coastline, millions evacuated

November 15, 2007

Millions of people were evacuated over the previous 48 hours as Category 5, Very Severe Cyclonic Storm Sidr prepared to smash into Bangladesh's shoreline with top winds reaching 240 k/h (149 miles per hour). A senior official for the Bengali government, Ali Imam Majumder, said that they expected to evacuate around 3.2 million people in all, adding, "We have taken all precautions." Shahjahan Alam, an official with Bangladesh's Meteorological Department, said the cyclone's eye is expected to hit 85 miles southwest of capital city Dhaka later on Thursday.

Evacuation
There is a great concern that many of the badly needed cyclone shelters are not in adequate condition to stand the cyclones heavy winds.

In spite of those concerns, however, the casualty rate is expected to be minimal because of the efforts, nothing like the tragic 1991 cyclone which caused an estimated 138,000 deaths and displacing another 10 million.


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User talk:203.57.68.20

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Well done for citing sources. I am sorry that no one responded to your questions on the talk page. If that happens again feel free to contact an experienced user. If you are confident you have met Wikinews guidelines when writing an article feel free to publish it immediately. If you want it to be checked for publishing you can add   to the page. I would like to congratulate you again on a good article. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 16:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. Out of curiosity, what was the POV word/sentence? -- 203.57.68.20 15:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Never mind, just checked history, saw it. Lucrative. Macquarie Bank (where he was reportedly offered a senior position) is called the "millionaire factory". One of our most consistently performing fin institutions. Lucrative seemed like an understatement really. When Mac offers you a job, you think about it. Haven't reverted, reads better. Other than that, thnx for help.

Oh, BTW, How to archive a talk page doesn't link where you think it does. It's trying to call up an article, not an in-house help page. w:Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page links to w:Help:Archiving a talk page, which is what you wanted, I think. -- 203.57.68.20 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Pakistan gets caretaker government to oversee January elections

November 15, 2007

Pakistan's parliament dissolved itself at midnight Thursday to make way for a new caretaker government to oversee January elections. VOA's Barry Newhouse reports from Islamabad that while President Pervez Musharraf tries to make the elections appear credible despite emergency rule, his opponents are busy uniting against him. Senate chairman and member of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (PML-Q), Muhammad Mian Soomro, was appointed by Musharraf as interim Prime Minister. The rest of the cabinet will be announced later, though local television said that Musharraf loyalists had been chosen. Opposition leaders said that the January elections will not be free and fair.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz addressed a final cabinet meeting late Thursday before the new caretaker government takes office Friday. State television broadcast footage of Aziz praising officials for their accomplishments.

"We have promoted press freedom and freedom of expression. No government has been more tolerant that ours in hearing criticism," Aziz said. The claims of progress by the close ally of General Musharraf stood in stark contrast to political opposition leaders, who say security forces continue to pursue the president's critics.

Ahsan Iqbal is a spokesman for the political party of exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. He spoke to VOA by telephone.

"After elections were announced, they should have put an end to all these arrests of opposition leaders," said Iqbal. "But they are still hounding us; they are still searching for us. I am in a hideout. The entire leadership of the Pakistan Muslim League (N) (PML-N) is either in jail or in detention or they are in hiding. So how can there be fair and free elections in the country."

"We totally reject it. This appointment, in fact, is part of General Musharraf's scheme to perpetuate his rule," said Mushahidullah Khan, also of PML-N.

While the government crackdown is succeeding in preventing mass protests, its success is unifying political opposition leaders.

Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has confirmed that she has spoken with Mr. Sharif about forming a broad coalition to challenge General Musharraf. "I think that we the leaders of political parties need to exchange ideas of what could be a possible agenda for all of us to rally around," she said.

Ms. Bhutto made the comments in a phone interview with Dawn News, an independent television news broadcaster that returned to local airwaves Thursday for the first time since emergency rule was imposed November 3.

United States diplomat, Brian Hunt visited with Bhutto in Lahore. Afterwards he told reporters, "I conveyed to the former prime minister the continuing U.S. government concerns about the state of emergency." He called for detainees to be freed, even as authorities arrested more Bhutto supporters at protests in various cities.

Musharraf has recently said that he intends to step down as the Chief of Army Staff and be sworn in as a civilian president, as soon as the Supreme Court of Pakistan dismisses challenges to his re-election.

Dawn and a few other stations have agreed to abide by a new code of conduct that bars news coverage that directly criticizes the president, the army or the judiciary. Criticism of the president's policies is allowed.

News anchors and hosts can face heavy financial penalties and up to three years in prison if any part of their shows is considered in violation of the law. Most political reporters for the networks have not returned to work.


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Video of man tasered at Vancouver airport released

November 15, 2007 A video showing a man being by police and subsequently dying at the Vancouver  has been released to the media. The cause of his death has not yet been determined.

Robert Dziekanski, 40, was immigrating from, Poland to live with his mother, Zofia Cisowski, in , British Columbia. He did not clear customs at the airport for over eight hours and his mother was unable to locate him when she went to meet him at the airport. Since Dziekanski did not speak English airport security guards were unable to properly communicate with him. He started yelling at the airport staff because of this. He used chairs to prop open a door between a customs clearing area and a public lounge, he then threw a computer and threw a small table at a luggage section window.

He had calmed down and was standing with his hands at his side in the customs room until four Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officers arrived and tasered the man, at least twice. Dziekanski began to convulse and was tasered a second time after falling to the ground, where the four officers pinned him down and handcuffed him. He screamed before he stopped moving. Paramedics arrived at the scene, but were unable to revive him and pronounced him dead.

Dziekanski's mother had told him to wait in the luggage area where she would meet him, not realizing that this was inside the airport's security zone, which was inaccessible to her. Arriving international passengers need to pass through customs first, before being able to meet people waiting to pick them up. His mother had tried in vain to get a message to him and eventually left the airport when told by airport staff that he wasn't there.

Paul Pritchard, who had just arrived from China back to Victoria, shot a video of the incident and gave it to police. The police promised they would return the video within 48 hours. They gave him back his camera without the video.

Pritchard immediately hired a lawyer, held his own news conference, and threatened that he would take them to court to get it back.

CBC, CTV and Global television paid Pritchard several thousand dollars for the video, and he says he will use the money to take care of his father.

"It was against his [Pritchard's father] wishes completely and my lawyer's wishes as well. Profit is such an ugly word, and I hope people realize that it's not a personal profit," said Pritchard.

"I extend my heartfelt condolences to Mr. Dziekanski's family, knowing that I could not hope to speak to the loss that they have suffered. I would also like to express my concerns for those people who were in any way touched by this extraordinary and tragic occurrence - our employees working that night, the various agencies involved, the emergency responders and the passengers who may have come across the scene," Larry Berg, President and CEO of the Vancouver Airport Authority said on November 1.

According to a RCMP spokesman in Vancouver, the four officers involved in the case will testify in court under the coroners request, but it is expected to happen sometime next year.

Polish ambassador to Canada, Piotr Ogrodzinski, said "Mr. Dziekanski (was) a person who was agitated, frustrated, I think terrified, but not aggressive. He was not making a gesture that he intended to fight anybody" and "he didn't know what to do. In fact, he was in search (of) help. That is why it is a really very sad and deeply moving film to watch."

The incident is being investigated by the RCMP, the British Columbia Coroner's Service, the Vancouver International Airport Authority, and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP.