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Talk:CanadaVOTES: CHP candidate Vicki Gunn in York—Simcoe

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Your name: Vicki Gunn

Political party: Christian Heritage Party of Canada

Riding: York Simcoe, Ontario

New candidates: Why are you running for political office, why at the federal level, why this party, and why in this riding? I  am serving for the 3rd time as candidate because I believe in principles which do not change. I believe in strong families and I believe is social order. When we as a country supported our families and enabled them to raise their children without fear of government interference then we had a strong social order. We had 4 levels of government, self government, family government, church (spiritual) government, and civil government) which created healthy, balanced social order. The government did not interfere in family and spiritual government unless there was good reason. Today we have government interference in our homes, in our places of worship, in our thoughts, how we express ourselves. This is a dangerous precedent! Government has been allowed to grow unfettered in this country for too long. The CHP genuinely believes in 4 levels of government... each operating within it's sphere of authority. We believe in smaller government. We believe in healthy families. We believe in a future for this country free from the all pervasive power of the state! Incumbents: Why did you choose to run for office, and why do you wish to continue as an MP?

New candidates: Previous to this campaign, have you been politically involved? How will you apply your previous work/volunteer/life experience to serving your constituents? I served as candidate in York Simcoe for the Christian Heritage Party in both 2004 & 2006. My earlier experience was... I worked for 15 years with the Royal Bank of Canada ending my banking career as a Branch Administration Officer. This was great training in financial management, administration and supervision. I have, together with my husband, built the small business which has supported our family for the past 20 years. I am very aware of the challenges which face small businesses. There are many small businesses in York Simcoe that would benefit from my experience and understanding of the challenges they face. I volunteered for about 11 years with a local distress centre, life is very difficult for some of our constituents in York Simcoe. When people are in times of crisis it is important that programs are in place to help them to get to the highest quality of life they can achieve. I also served on the local executive and the national executive which was great use of my administrative skills. I served as foster parent to young offenders for 7 years which gave me opportunity to work with many troubled youth. I am aware of the challenges young people face as they grow up and also the need for strong, intact families to support them through those volatile years. I have been a member of Speak for Success York Simcoe Toastmasters since 2004. I have served as Secretary, Vice President Education and President,  which has further developed both my communication and leadership abilities. I have served as District Secretary for District 61 and Secretary of Northern Lights Advanced Toastmaster Club. I am currently serving as Club Coach to Simcoe Shores Toastmasters in Keswick. I would use the experience garnered in all of these roles as Member of Parliament because the type of government I envision would be strong on leadership and accountability. Incumbents: Are you satisfied with your time as MP? What would be the biggest highlights of the roughly two years since the last election? The biggest disappointment?

As you campaign around your riding, it's likely that some issues are mentioned more often by voters, than other issues. What would you say are the three hottest topics this election, in your riding? What would you and your party do to address these issues? 1) Constituents in York Simcoe spend a lot of time travelling to and from work. Gas prices are high and the other political parties offer no real solutions. We offer a "Fair Tax". This would be a tax on everything except essentials. Gas prices would be lower because there would not be layer upon layer of hidden taxes. We would also eliminate the income tax because it penalises industrious people for working. If 1/3 of your paycheque, what you have earned by your own labour, goes to the government before you see it, that is theft. A consumer tax would be paid when you purchase items or services, which means you control how much tax you pay. It is a much simpler form of book keeping. Our present tax laws are understood by extremely few people.

2) Important to constituents of York Simcoe is also a healthy environment. It IS possible to decrease pollution without government digging deeper into OUR pockets. The hype around global warming has cooled. People recognise that a healthy environment can be worked on by dealing with the controllable causes of pollution. We dump many toxic chemicals into our atmosphere not just the naturally occurring ones such as Carbon Dioxide and Water. We can and must start controlling these toxic chemicals. We must do the same for our lakes and environment. Reducing the pollution we can control is environmentally friendly. It may not be as glamourous as a global movement but it is much more effective.

3) We see a continued deterioration of our infrastructure. There is no need for government to borrow money from the major banks, basically renting the money supply, to improve infrastructure. The government is entitled to create money. By putting this money is circulation for the purpose of improving our infrastructure and charging municipalities no interest, we are not piling further debt on the backs of our children and grandchildren. As the money is repaid it is withdrawn from circulation thus making it noninflationary. This was done after WW2, when the return of 2 million soldiers seeking employment threatened our economy. This launched the biggest building boom in Canadian history and Canada was left with healthy infrastructure.

Is there any misconceptions about you, your leader, or your party and platform? We are often tarred as a one issue party. However, that is far from the truth. The Christian Heritage Party has a developed platform in many areas and seeks to provide new approaches to old problems. If you keep doing the same thing, you get the same results. It's time to do something different. This time... vote CHP ... Better Solutions begin at www.chp.ca

There's a more ways than ever to get your message out, from the traditional campaign fliers and lawn signs, to new media like websites, Facebook, and YouTube. The tried-and-true routes get the message out to the masses much easier, but digital alternatives are much more measurable in how many are seeing or interacting with your campaign. What seems to be the most effective, from your experience?

The most effective way of getting the message out will always be people talking to people. We are social beings. Other methods are quite impersonal but talking to people gives a chance for a real exchange of ideas.


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Your name: John Kittredge Political party: Libertarian Party of Canada Riding: St. Paul's

Why are you running for political office, why at the federal level, why this party, and why in this riding?
 * The mono-focus of our Party at both the Federal and Provincial level is less - MUCH less - government. I have been a member of various provincial and federal Libertarian Parties for almost 40 years and am committed to the proposition that "less government is better government." I have observed the steady degradation of the Canadian character, the increasing limitation of our independence and the erosion of our economy as a result of inexorable "nanny state" control over the years. I want positive change and a better future with more self-reliance, more opportunity and an option-filled environment for the residents of St Paul, for all Canadians and, as a consequence for myself, my family and especially for my two-year old grandson.

 * St. Paul's because it is an intensely interesting collection of neighborhoods full of passionate people who care. I respect my constituents and feel every one of them deserves a much better framework in which to express and achieve their potential than the pap offered by the mainline parties to buy their votes. Unfortunately most of them feel that more government, more regulations, more tax spending, more direction and fewer options constitute the solution to any and all of their concerns.

 * Like other Libertarians, I run to broaden the awareness of the less government option and of its desirability and practicality - also to deepen the debate and stimulate the people I talk with to think about a new way of doing things.

'''Previous to this campaign, have you been politically involved? How will you apply your previous work/volunteer/life experience to serving your constituents?'''
 * I ran as a Libertarian in last fall's Ontario Provincial election but had not been particularly active before that other than as a party member. My day job is management consulting. I work in Canada and internationally with large clients, both public and private, to improve their processes and performance. I bring this results-focused, real-world perspective to the less-government debate. In the unlikely event of election, I would bring it to Ottawa - much in need of a house-cleaning and a strong dose of efficiency and effectiveness.

'''As you campaign around your riding, it's likely that some issues are mentioned more often by voters, than other issues. What would you say are the three hottest topics this election, in your riding? What would you and your party do to address these issues?'''
 * People in St Paul's seem to be most concerned about the economy (and pensions), health care and the environment.

 * The economy would benefit from lower taxes, less government spending and meddling. Entrepreneurship could flourish and the economy grow. The political decision-making process cannot effectively be used to manage an economy. Libertarians would cease the pandering for votes, stop all corporate welfare, allow researchers and new business creators to benefit from their achievements (eliminating capital gains and dividend taxation among other things), dramatically simplify regulations, eliminate the restrictions on foreign investment in Canada, eliminate marketing boards, cut the civil service bureaucracy, etc. etc., etc. Short term, the concentration would be waste, dysfunctional and inappropriate programme spending and efficiency (easy targets in this environment). Longer term a broader and deeper elimination of programmes and an opening up of the market place to more options, competitors and innovators.
 * Health care, in particular will benefit from new options, competition and an arena for open innovation. There is no moral, ethical, economic or technical justification for continuing to criminalize the open provision of health care options. Too many of our vulnerable parents, children, spouses, friends and neighbours are at risk to ignore the quality of care any longer simply to ensure that all Canadians have access to the same (poor) execution.
 * The environment is somewhat different.

 * Where pollution and other environmental degradation is at issue we consider the problem in two aspects: (i) government controlled environment (crown lands, waterways, underground mineral rights, airspace, 200-mile-limit ocean waters off our coastline, etc.) and (ii) private property.

 * With respect to (i) Canadians and all other statist countries suffer the typical (and inevitable) "tragedy of the commons." (When everybody owns it nobody owns it and it is treated accordingly. If and when legislation is passed to control it, the regulations are politically designed, favour special interest groups for political gain and the associated shenanigans produce an even worse outcome than existed prior to action being taken.) Hence clear-cutting, hence goldmine tailings in beautiful rivers, hence irrigation scemes despoiling wetlands, etc., etc.!

 * Real owners care AND are interested in the long term to cover their children's children or their corporation's future growth and success! Libertarians would sell these assets and create an ownership environment that would foster environmentalism, conservation and rational exploitation and / or enjoyment of natural resources.

 * With respect to (ii) our laws are adequate (or should be and certainly can be made to be) to protect private property from polluters and despoilers, whether individuals or corporations. Unfortunately they currently are not adequate to protect us from our own government's encroachment, its' pandering of rent seekers, or its' political decision making. Hence pig farms in your back yard, hence mineshafts sunk in your back forty, hence a high rise or monster home erected across the street, etc., etc.!

 * Proper government provides an even playing field, applies the same rules to all players and dispenses justice even-handedly, quickly and appropriately. Libertarians would ensure that the relevant laws are actually applied and, in those areas of the regulations where change is required to catch up to technology, to cover omissions or to revise poorly structured statutes we would have it done.

 * Specifically with respect to atmospheric warming and CO2, once the pertinent regulatory environment had been tightened as noted above we would encouage cases to be brought to court in order to resolve the claims made and the degree to which action is indicated. The current state of the debate has been singularly one-sided and lacking of the true spirit and freedom of scientific inquiry. It would help to clarify it before any government (Liberal, Conservative, NDP or Green) tears the heart out of the economy of the country by taking draconian steps that may not even address the root cause of their concerns.

 * The programme suggestions currently featured in other party platforms would do more harm than good. Taxes are distorting and disruptive. Cap and trade encourages abuse. Government programs of redistribution inevitably fall under the spell of political decision making and are generally abused, if not corrupted outright. Setting emission levels at something that equates to about 40+% lower than today's is to irresponsibly and knowingly lie to Canadians. Car emissions levels must be driven by cost-benefit considerations and cannot be dictated in an environment of unceretainty without, once again, distorting outcomes.

 * We would do none of these things, even if the jury weren't still out on fundamental issues such as the causes and direction of atmospheric warming, the role of human produced CO2 (the "inverse," after all, of the breath of life, O2), the possibility and potential impact of human CO2 control and its real cost. Libertarians would limit their involvement, as noted above, to providing a framework within which the issue could be resolved and addressed rationally by all the stakeholders.

Is there any misconceptions about you, your leader, or your party and platform?
 * Most people know very little about the party, the leader, myself or our platform. But one common misconception is that we are "extreme right wing." We are not! Libertarians want to eliminate most of government involvement in both our economic and personal lives, letting Canadians live as free individuals and free traders. No rightist would ever subscribe to our principles. (Our principles are readily available on our web site.)

'''There are more ways than ever to get your message out, from the traditional campaign fliers and lawn signs, to new media like websites, Facebook, and YouTube. The tried-and-true routes get the message out to the masses much easier, but digital alternatives are much more measurable in how many are seeing or interacting with your campaign. What seems to be the most effective, from your experience?'''
 * The digital alternatives are proving effective for us. We are a "low" (generally "no") budget organization / campaign. The various web options are an economical and practical way to spread our message and we have had, for us, a good electronic response.

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CanadaVOTES: Libertarian John Kittridge in St. Paul's

October 13, 2008

In an attempt to speak with as many candidates as possible during the 2008 Canadian federal election, Wikinews has talked via email with John Kittredge. John is a candidate in Toronto, Ontario's St. Paul riding, running under the Libertarian Party banner. Libertarians are a minor, registered political party; they are looking to earn their first ever seat in the House of Commons.

Incumbent Carolyn Bennett of the Liberals is running against Libertarian Kittridge, Conservative Heather Jewell, New Democrat Anita Agrawal, and Justin Erdman, a Green. Bennett was the Minister of Health under previous Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberal government. Since it was created in 1935, the riding has been batted about between the Liberals and the now defunct Progessive Conservative party. The following is an interview with Mr. Kittridge, conducted via email. The interview has had very limited editing, to eliminate in-text mentions of website addresses, but is otherwise left exactly as sent to Wikinews.

Interview
Why are you running for political office, why at the federal level, why this party, and why in this riding?
 * The mono-focus of our Party at both the Federal and Provincial level is less—MUCH less—government. I have been a member of various provincial and federal Libertarian Parties for almost 40 years and am committed to the proposition that "less government is better government." I have observed the steady degradation of the Canadian character, the increasing limitation of our independence and the erosion of our economy as a result of inexorable "nanny state" control over the years. I want positive change and a better future with more self-reliance, more opportunity and an option-filled environment for the residents of St Paul, for all Canadians and, as a consequence for myself, my family and especially for my two-year old grandson.

 * St. Paul's because it is an intensely interesting collection of neighborhoods full of passionate people who care. I respect my constituents and feel every one of them deserves a much better framework in which to express and achieve their potential than the pap offered by the mainline parties to buy their votes. Unfortunately most of them feel that more government, more regulations, more tax spending, more direction and fewer options constitute the solution to any and all of their concerns.

 * Like other Libertarians, I run to broaden the awareness of the less government option and of its desirability and practicality - also to deepen the debate and stimulate the people I talk with to think about a new way of doing things.

'''Previous to this campaign, have you been politically involved? How will you apply your previous work/volunteer/life experience to serving your constituents?'''
 * I ran as a Libertarian in last fall's Ontario Provincial election but had not been particularly active before that other than as a party member. My day job is management consulting. I work in Canada and internationally with large clients, both public and private, to improve their processes and performance. I bring this results-focused, real-world perspective to the less-government debate. In the unlikely event of election, I would bring it to Ottawa - much in need of a house-cleaning and a strong dose of efficiency and effectiveness.

'''As you campaign around your riding, it's likely that some issues are mentioned more often by voters, than other issues. What would you say are the three hottest topics this election, in your riding? What would you and your party do to address these issues?'''
 * People in St Paul's seem to be most concerned about the economy (and pensions), health care and the environment.

 * The economy would benefit from lower taxes, less government spending and meddling. Entrepreneurship could flourish and the economy grow. The political decision-making process cannot effectively be used to manage an economy. Libertarians would cease the pandering for votes, stop all corporate welfare, allow researchers and new business creators to benefit from their achievements (eliminating capital gains and dividend taxation among other things), dramatically simplify regulations, eliminate the restrictions on foreign investment in Canada, eliminate marketing boards, cut the civil service bureaucracy, etc. etc., etc. Short term, the concentration would be waste, dysfunctional and inappropriate programme spending and efficiency (easy targets in this environment). Longer term a broader and deeper elimination of programmes and an opening up of the market place to more options, competitors and innovators.
 * Health care, in particular will benefit from new options, competition and an arena for open innovation. There is no moral, ethical, economic or technical justification for continuing to criminalize the open provision of health care options. Too many of our vulnerable parents, children, spouses, friends and neighbours are at risk to ignore the quality of care any longer simply to ensure that all Canadians have access to the same (poor) execution.
 * The environment is somewhat different.

 * Where pollution and other environmental degradation is at issue we consider the problem in two aspects: (i) government controlled environment (crown lands, waterways, underground mineral rights, airspace, 200-mile-limit ocean waters off our coastline, etc.) and (ii) private property.

 * With respect to (i) Canadians and all other statist countries suffer the typical (and inevitable) "tragedy of the commons." (When everybody owns it nobody owns it and it is treated accordingly. If and when legislation is passed to control it, the regulations are politically designed, favour special interest groups for political gain and the associated shenanigans produce an even worse outcome than existed prior to action being taken.) Hence clear-cutting, hence goldmine tailings in beautiful rivers, hence irrigation scemes [sic] despoiling wetlands, etc., etc.!

 * Real owners care AND are interested in the long term to cover their children's children or their corporation's future growth and success! Libertarians would sell these assets and create an ownership environment that would foster environmentalism, conservation and rational exploitation and / or enjoyment of natural resources.

 * With respect to (ii) our laws are adequate (or should be and certainly can be made to be) to protect private property from polluters and despoilers, whether individuals or corporations. Unfortunately they currently are not adequate to protect us from our own government's encroachment, its' pandering of rent seekers, or its' political decision making. Hence pig farms in your back yard, hence mineshafts sunk in your back forty, hence a high rise or monster home erected across the street, etc., etc.!

 * Proper government provides an even playing field, applies the same rules to all players and dispenses justice even-handedly, quickly and appropriately. Libertarians would ensure that the relevant laws are actually applied and, in those areas of the regulations where change is required to catch up to technology, to cover omissions or to revise poorly structured statutes we would have it done.

 * Specifically with respect to atmospheric warming and CO2, once the pertinent regulatory environment had been tightened as noted above we would encouage cases to be brought to court in order to resolve the claims made and the degree to which action is indicated. The current state of the debate has been singularly one-sided and lacking of the true spirit and freedom of scientific inquiry. It would help to clarify it before any government (Liberal, Conservative, NDP or Green) tears the heart out of the economy of the country by taking draconian steps that may not even address the root cause of their concerns.

 * The programme suggestions currently featured in other party platforms would do more harm than good. Taxes are distorting and disruptive. Cap and trade encourages abuse. Government programs of redistribution inevitably fall under the spell of political decision making and are generally abused, if not corrupted outright. Setting emission levels at something that equates to about 40+% lower than today's is to irresponsibly and knowingly lie to Canadians. Car emissions levels must be driven by cost-benefit considerations and cannot be dictated in an environment of unceretainty [sic] without, once again, distorting outcomes.

 * We would do none of these things, even if the jury weren't still out on fundamental issues such as the causes and direction of atmospheric warming, the role of human produced CO2 (the "inverse," after all, of the breath of life, O2), the possibility and potential impact of human CO2 control and its real cost. Libertarians would limit their involvement, as noted above, to providing a framework within which the issue could be resolved and addressed rationally by all the stakeholders.

Are there any misconceptions about you, your leader, or your party and platform?
 * Most people know very little about the party, the leader, myself or our platform. But one common misconception is that we are "extreme right wing." We are not! Libertarians want to eliminate most of government involvement in both our economic and personal lives, letting Canadians live as free individuals and free traders. No rightist would ever subscribe to our principles. (Our principles are readily available on our web site.)

'''There are more ways than ever to get your message out, from the traditional campaign fliers and lawn signs, to new media like websites, Facebook, and YouTube. The tried-and-true routes get the message out to the masses much easier, but digital alternatives are much more measurable in how many are seeing or interacting with your campaign. What seems to be the most effective, from your experience?'''
 * The digital alternatives are proving effective for us. We are a "low" (generally "no") budget organization / campaign. The various web options are an economical and practical way to spread our message and we have had, for us, a good electronic response.


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Comments:Vancouver-Kingsway riding is clash between NDP and Liberals

Liberal shift to Communist if elected?
Check out http://vancouverkingsway2008.blogspot.com/ for latest news happening in this riding.

 * All-candidate debate (October 4, 2008)observation in Vancouver: http://vancouverkingsway2008.blogspot.com/2008/10/all-candidates-forum-appearances.html

 * Latest on October 10, 2008: Liberal Party candidate Ms. Wendy Yuan is under fire that she aligns herself more with the Chinese Communist Party line than that of the Liberal Party when asked about Liberal Party's policy regarding the torture and killing of Falun Gong in China.

Just my thoughts: If Liberal were to win in this election, would we be expecting another Liberal shift, this time from Liberal to Communist?

I attended the entirety of the all candidates meeting at Collingwood Neigborhood House on Oct 7. It's clear the real race is between Don Davies and Wendy Yuan... and that Don is a much better connected and more in-touch candidate of the two. Wendy spent much of the night attempting to pull heart-strings, repeating about four or five times that she was an immigrant who came with $25 and a dream and that she was grateful how Canada allowed her to fulfill her dream and that it'd be an honour to serve and that if she was given that honor, she'd be true to the people... blah, blah, blah... no real substance, the overall impression I got (and I tend to read people exceedingly well) was that she was following a script of what she thought people wanted to hear. I was also left with the impression that she dodged questions very well and gave much irrelevant info to advance her position. She also appeared nervous and unsteady and although she can be forgiven for that, I doubt she would be at all effective in Ottawa, where she'd get shredded if at all understood (poor English skills). Bottom line: I don't feel I can trust her. Don, on the other hand, answered questions very directly and provided good details which demonstrated that he was familiar and close to the issues. Very calm and collected throughout, he looked parliamentarian and I would have faith that he could do a good job representing us. I spoke to him after the debate and picked his brain a bit about the NDP's position on unions and health care and I felt that he listened well and considered my opinions carefully. Good luck Don, you've got my vote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.10.200 (talk) 04:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


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I made too many changes to give this an independent review. --SVTCobra 22:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, SVT, maybe next time we could have "ignored" the rule. It's not as if you had changed in essence the article. Just an oppinion, to avoid too much bureaucracy. - Julián (reply) 22:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True. I have critized others for the same thing, and I was teetering on this one. In the end I opted for another set of eyes to look it over. Cheers and thanks for doing it so quickly. --SVTCobra 23:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both on working on the article. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've advocated Wikinews is not a bureaucracy. In fact, it's on Spanish Wikinews "What Wikinews is not", where it says: "In detail, Wikinews is not a legal system. Disagreements should rather be discussed and consensus achieved than having processes and rules. Some processs currently exist to mediate disputes among users, but not on the base of juridical remedies." - Julián (reply) 23:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree completely with you but I've been criticize several times that changing more then a few words is too much. The system is clearly not working when we have reviews siting for more then 12 hours.  --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid the system may be abused by filibusters; and sincerely failing a review because of "style", for example, is on the verge of complete lack of common sense. - Julián (reply) 03:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem to be relevant for this article, so maybe bring it up at the Water cooler. Cheers, --SVTCobra 03:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


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G7 says "all available tools" will be used to solve crisis

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In the midst of the intensifying global financial crisis, finance ministers and central bankers of the G7 nations – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, and the United Kingdom – met in Washington, D.C. and released a joint statement.

With failures of large financial institutions in the United States, the crisis rapidly evolved into a global crisis resulting in bank failures in Europe and the Americas, and sharp reductions in the value of stocks and commodities worldwide. The crisis further lead to a liquidity problem and the de-leveraging of world assets, which further accelerated the problem. The crisis has roots in the subprime mortgage crisis and is an acute phase of the financial crisis of 2007–2008.

After the meeting, a joint statement was released with a commitment to "stabilize financial markets and restore the flow of credit." The statement outlined five steps to achieve these goals:

 * 1) Take decisive action and use all available tools to support systemically important financial institutions and prevent their failure.
 * 2) Take all necessary steps to unfreeze credit and money markets and ensure that banks and other financial institutions have broad access to liquidity and funding.
 * 3) Ensure that our banks and other major financial intermediaries, as needed, can raise capital from public as well as private sources, in sufficient amounts to re-establish confidence and permit them to continue lending to households and businesses.
 * 4) Ensure that our respective national deposit insurance and guarantee programs are robust and consistent so that our retail depositors will continue to have confidence in the safety of their deposits.
 * 5) Take action, where appropriate, to restart the secondary markets for mortgages and other securitized assets. Accurate valuation and transparent disclosure of assets and consistent implementation of high quality accounting standards are necessary.

"Central banks from around the world have acted together to provide additional liquidity for financial institutions, taking the necessary steps to support the global economy," said US Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson in a statement after the meeting.

"We have taken a lot of actions," said European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet. "My experience of markets is that it always takes a little time to capture the elements [of the decisions taken]."

The Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King said: "Central banks will work together as we demonstrated this week, to ensure sufficient short term liquidity is provided to stabilise banking systems. But it is also vital that governments work together to ensure their banking systems are recapitalised to enable them to lend to finance spending in the real economy."


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Reviewing... -  Amgine | t 02:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops; sorry; I kept adding stuff; I thought I was the only one here. I am done now anyway. --SVTCobra 02:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

np...

Excellent start, but has a few things to work on. May I help out? -  Amgine | t 02:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the G-7 won't be helping Brazil and Icelandic banks since they are not members. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 03:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * "Take decisive action and use all available tools to support systemically important financial institutions and prevent their failure." Brazil and Iceland are rather relevant as "important financial institutions". Just ask the UK and the USA. -  Amgine | t 03:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No money from any G-7 government will be used to prevent failures of banks in other countries. Look at Iceland, no country wants to give them money. They have to go though the IMF. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 03:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Feel free to fix anything you find a problem with. The "backgrounder" is entirely lifted from the Wikipedia article listed in the sources. You would have to find your own sources if you want to start at August 2007 for the turmoil. Reading about Countrywide Financial could help here. However, I am surprised that there was a "fail" for what? too many wikilinks? Also, I don't see what you are trying to say in your comment about Iceland and Brazil. Neither is a G7 country. Cheers and happy editing.--SVTCobra 03:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I would have approved of this article. With regards to excessive wikilinking, I took some (it's true that "finance ministers" and "central banks" shouldn't be wikilinked, but that's no reason to fail an article.) Secondly, I believe it not true that it's EU-US centred: "de-leveraging of world assets". This covers the wordlwide aspect, if you wish... There is no reason to add Iceland no Brazil, because adding them would fail to introduce other significant countries which are facing problems (Argentina and Mexico intervened to prevent a massive devaluation of their currencies, New Zealand has entered in recession...). They are two of many, in my view. Overall, I really think it should be approved. - Julián (reply) 03:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The G7 are not going to address issues only in G7 nations. They never said that. They said they're going to address any internationally important financial institute. You can pretty much guarantee this statement was aimed at Iceland, which also isn't a G7 member.
 * The fail was for the sheer number of style issues, and the possible npov issues (this is pretty exclusive to G7, but more specifically euroview.) -  Amgine | t 03:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is not an attempt to summarize every event in the global crisis. It is merely to be a simple straight-forward article about the G7 meeting and what they said. Cheers, --SVTCobra 03:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Where did you read they were going to do that? They are basically worried about their countries. They may make a statement on the need to work with countries and the IMF, but trust me there is no action or plan on working on non-G7 financial institutes. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 03:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Look at all the articles about Gordon Brown and Iceland. Bailing Iceland out *is* about the G7 financial institutes. Several UK cities will fail else. -  Amgine | t 03:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And who said they were or were not going to handle specific issues? To be honest, I don't see anywhere in the article being said that G7 nations will only address their own issues/specific issues, nor does it say in the sources that Iceland's specific issue is going to be handled with more care than the rest... Everything else is just speculation. As for style issues, I'd be pleased if you could correct them if you feel there are any. Cheers, - Julián (reply) 03:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

May I suggest that someone other than Amgine do a review. This user is obviously stuck on something about Iceland and/or Brazil which does not pertain to the article. Julián fixed some style issues; if there are others please fix them.--SVTCobra 03:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * <curious look> I can't do another review of the article. I've edited it, and it would be unethical for me to consider reviewing it. -  Amgine | t 03:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Given that this was your only edit, I think you are much too literal. But whatever, I am requesting a different review anyway. --SVTCobra 03:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What about an ignore all rules? Pretty much aplicable. - Julián (reply) 03:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The community has been most upset whenever I've IAR'd things in the past, so I don't do that. SVTCobra, when you made it clear you didn't appreciate the minor style changes, I avoided committing substantive changes. <shrug> It's an okay article, but it could have been a great article with more time and work. -  Amgine | t 04:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I did no such thing. I explicitly asked people to feel free to make style changes! Your whole Brazil/Iceland issue is not a style change. --SVTCobra 13:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/October 11, 2008

= Audio Wikinews Brief for October 11, 2008 =

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Saturday, October 11, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here are today's current stories.

Global markets plunge
Stock markets across the world have fallen sharply with several seeing the biggest drop in their history. Asian markets saw the biggest sell-off. The Nikkei dropped 9.62% to reach a 20 year low. Japan also saw a collapse of a mid-size insurance company, Yamato Life Insurance Company, which declared bankruptcy. The Hang Seng, which was one of the few markets that was positive yesterday, fell 7.19%. Australia dropped by 8.4% and South Korea saw a 9% fall. In Europe, markets dropped at the open with the FTSE losing 11%. They have recovered only sightly with all European markets losing more than 5%. The European sell off was more about the Asian lows then any specific news. European banks and financial institutes saw the most selling. Also, oil related companies saw large drops as a result of a expected decrease in oil consumption. Oil has seen losses of more than $6 in trading with the current price of a barrel of oil less than $80. This is a year low for oil. News also came out that OPEC will hold an emergency meeting on November 18 to discuss the falling price of oil.

Dow Jones recovers hundreds of points, before losing them in minutes
The U.S. markets opened lower with Dow Jones plunging 679 points, before a last-hour rally saw it climb back up to over 300 points over the day's opening, eventually settling 128 points down on the day. The nearly 1000 point trading margin was the largest in the index's history and capped off its worst week of trading since 1933. The index is at it's lowest level in five years at 8579.19, losing 7.3% of it's value. The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq both also saw brief rallies that occurred at the same time as the Dow Jones, The S&P 500 closed down 10.7 points at 899.22, the Nasdaq closed up 4.39 points at 1649.51.

Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Martti Ahtisaari, Finnish top diplomat
The Nobel Peace Committee announced that Martti Ahtisaari, former president and Finnish diplomat, has received the Nobel Peace Prize for 2008. Norway's Nobel committee praised Martti Ahtisaari for his efforts to help secure peace in a number of conflict torn countries during his lengthy career as a United Nations diplomat, president of Finland for six years, and later as peace activist with his organization, the Crisis Management Initiative. Over the past 20 years, the Nobel statement said, Ahtisaari has played a prominent role in resolving serious and long-lasting conflicts in Namibia, Indonesia, Kosovo and Iraq - among other areas.

France claims Russia has violated some terms of ceasefire with Georgia
French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner has claimed that Russia has failed to honour obligations agreed as part of a ceasefire brokered by the European Union. The deal ended a war with Georgia. In August, Russian troops joined on South Ossetia's side after Georgia moved in in an attempt to regain control of the breakaway region. Russia also moved troops into Abkhazia and nearby areas to create security zones. These buffer zones were vacated by troops this week, and today Russia was due to completely withdrawal from Georgia. France - who lead the brokering efforts as the EU's current presidential nation - say that Russian troops remain in the South Ossetian towns of Akhalgori and Perevi. According to the ceasefire, troops were supposed to return to their positions before the five-day conflict. Russia's President, Dmitry Medvedev, says Russia has fully complied with the terms agreed on. Russia has recognized South Ossetia as an independent nation, and had entered into a supporting military alliance.

Conclusion
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'Troopergate' investigation finds Palin abused her power

October 11, 2008

An Alaskan legislative investigation, nicknamed 'Troopergate', concluded Friday that Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin had abused her power during her time as Alaskan governor.

The report, released by a bipartisan investigative committee, found that Palin had violated the state Ethics Act when she allowed her husband to pressure former Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan into firing state trooper Mike Wooten; however, she was well within her rights to fire Monegan because of disagreement on budget cuts.

Sarah Palin had "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report went on to say.

Todd Palin, her husband, admitted to trying to forcefully remove Wooten because of alleged actions such as driving under the influence, threatening Palin's father, and using a Taser gun on his son. The pressure came after a hostile divorce between the governor's sister and ex-husband, who was accused of threatening the family.

The governor's explanations of her reasons for firing Monegan had been inconsistent, from denying a "personality conflict" to insubordination and incompetence. She consistently denied, however, the firing being related to Wooten.

"The Palins make no apologies," a statement released by her campaign said, "for wanting to protect their family and wanting to bring attention to the injustice of a violent trooper keeping his badge and abusing the workers' compensation system".

While the investigative committee had agreed unanimously to release the report, a few Republicans on the panel had attempted to halt the investigation, citing political bias. Republican Senator Gary Stevens warned voters to be "cautious" and to "realize there's much more in it than just the one-page findings".


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These are interesting times. I think that we failed to heed many warnings. I am not perfect and I can't throw stones. The must frightening statistic to me is the one the I have seen the says in the US our debt is 300 percent of our GDP. We have too much debt. I will keep my faith and tighten the the belt. I can afford to lose some weight.--Cnsieler (talk) 04:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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Abuse of power
Was it "unlawfully" or "unethically"? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unethically isn't for us to decide. She broke a law, the Ethics Act. --Poisonous (talk) 17:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comittee report
This is the public part of the investigative Comittee's report (Volume I): http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.20.90 (talk) 10:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sort
editprotected Please assist This article should be DEFAULTSORTed "Troopergate Investigation Finds Palin Abused Her Power" so it doesn't appear under the sortkey "'". Koavf (talk) 03:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌ Due to technical limitations, such would cause the page to show up as having been written on the day the edit was made. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


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Palin used her position to ensure the removal of that guy, whereas everybody else would have to follow proper complaint and review procedures. That kind of action solely motivated by personal interests is disturbing at best, and pretty damn elite sounding--"Now, now, nothing I do is wrong because I can use my power to make it happen". That doesn't even work when done in Alaska, much less the rest of the country. 68.222.134.129 04:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Maaaverick
Well gosh darnit, looks like she is a maverick! Gee, looks like we've underestimated her all this time. Darn tootin'. --Poisonous (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Serves her right for slandering Obama as a terrorist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.25.133 (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

This is what an 841 SAT buys you, folks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.235.113 (talk) 06:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think she would be affected!
I think a common American guy overlook her actions. According documentary film "Why we fight?" 2005, he/she just votes as his/her emotions say so!

Unabashed, Unashamed
The members of the new conservative movement have, for too long now, been totally unabashed and unashamed at the actions of their abducted party. Not only is this case an issue that was handled in a manner likened to the Jerry Springer show - or, pick any of today's midweek, midday television garbage - anyone who is found to have abused their power while in a public office should be banned from public office, especially any at the highest levels of our government.

However, without question, the political policy of these same unashamed and deliberately deceptive pseudo conservatives is to deny, accuse, and brandish a flag of absolute certainty in their innocence despite clear evidence to the contrary. Like the dead horse called Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD's), and a slew of numerous denials about the importance of issues like our nation's economy, the national debt, and any number of other near total ignorances about the really important issues of our time, this presidential ticket will continue on with their campaign as though nothing has happened. They will not take responsibility for the improper actions of their freakishly inexperienced VP choice. Instead, they will stand proud in the face of the real truth at hand: she is a disgrace to this country's reputation.

The Republican Party of today is a symbol of the mockery our nation's government has made of its own people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.24.133.55 (talk) 14:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.196.161 (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it hurts her, McCain doesn't have a chance in today's economy. I'm just glad that Palin, a stupid persons stupid person, will never hold an important political office again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.236.193 (talk) 01:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * She still has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. This won't affect her there. --Kitch (talk) 03:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I realize this is late, but to clarify, yes it did. Her approval rating is nonexistent now, even here. Apparently my fellow Alaskans finally saw through her lies - say it ain't so! —66.58.209.27 (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait just a second
The commission says it was illegal for her husband to pressure the PSC to fire the trooper in question, but she was within her rights to fire the PSC for not doing it?

Something fishy about the reasoning here. --Kitch (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

This is weird
I at first, thought she sounded smarter than any of those guys, that she should have ran for office. But now she is a weirdo...... just your plain old corrupt politician. EVIL!!!! EVIL!!! -Ionman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ionman (talk • contribs) 05:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Troopergate
The headline should read PALIN WITHIN HER RIGHTS ON ONE COUNT AND ETHICALLY WRONG ON ANOTHER. Contributors love to jump on the negative about her. The point is to report the facts fairly. Carrieramey, Mobile, AL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.197.145.18 (talk) 12:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

When a politician does their job properly, we need to give them credit? No, the issue is newsworthy because she behaved unethically. Do all Americans have such low standards or just Republicans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.199.103 (talk) 21:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

surely
chances are because of this that it will have an affect on the presidental nommon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.177.231 (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

TALK PALIN TALK
Bold textHey Palin can do no wrong WHEN IT COMES TO TALKING TRASH ABOUT OBAMA but in dealing with her own mess she stares us in the face and lies telling us there is nothing to it.Palin just cant be quiet on subjects dealing with others outside her little world.Someone should tell her she is on the card for V.P. and not President of the United States.Shes not just out talking Sen. Mccain, but out talking everybody.Obama isnt being tested as they like to keep saying,but we americans are being tested by Palin's cantankerous and irksome voice.Its annoying and we need a break from the tone.THINK DO WE REALLY WANT THAT VOICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR 4 YEARS ? 206.170.104.48 21:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Just another reason
This can't hurt the campaign any more that opening her mouth usually does

"I joined a team of Mavericks!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.6.245.98 (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


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PAD plan protest for Monday; Thai political crisis ongoing

October 11, 2008

Thailand's People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) announced a planned rally this coming Monday at the national stadium and march to police headquarters in protest at action taken against demonstrators last Tuesday. Tuesday's protest, where attempts were made to block MPs access to and from parliament, turned ugly when police employed tear gas and other measures to disperse the PAD crowd. Two protesters died, over four hundred were injured, and reports indicate that as many as ten may be missing. The ongoing protests and demonstrations are aimed at toppling the governing People's Power Party (PPP) who are accused of being a proxy for deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra's outlawed Thai Rak Thai party.

Friday saw the remaining seven PAD protest leaders surrender to police and be issued on bail. Leaders Chamlong Srimuang and Chaiwat Sinuwong were also bailed, having been arrested and detained earlier. This follows the charges of treason being thrown out by the country's appeals court; lesser charges, including inciting unrest, still stand.

The activist political group, founded by media firebrand Sondhi Limthongkul has occupied Government house for some time now, their demands are for a revision of the Thai political landscape which would see professionals and those in the more prosperous parts of the country a bigger say in the government. Outstanding charges of corruption against Thaksin Shinawatra who the military removed from power in September 2007 are the result of Sondhi and the PAD's long-standing battle against what they view as vote-buying populist policies. Questionable land deals and allegations of neoptism saw an increasing number of people becoming involved in protests prior to the 2007 coup.

The ongoing crisis has impacted the country both domestically and internationally. The deputy prime minister, Chavalit Yongchaiyudh resigned on Friday for his part in ordering the police into action against protesters blockading parliament. In an interview with the Bangkok Post, the former general implied the solution - once again - lies with the army, and suggested a second coup may be the only solution to the crisis. Army chief, Anupong Paochinda, faced scorn from the PAD following his dismissal of the call for a second coup; this despite his issuing harsh criticism of the current administration.

On the international front, Thailand's troubles saw the Prime Minister, Somchai Wongsawat, cancel a number of foreign visits. The beleaguered PM had planned to visit five ASEAN partner countries in a tour that would have started next week. Additional trips to Laos, Cambodia, and Myanmar (formerly Burma) were cancelled. According to a member of the PPP this is due to the current unrest.

Adding to the woes of the ruling PPP, the Attorney General's office has asked for a ruling from the country's Constitutional Court outlawing the People's Power Party. Office spokesman, Thanapit Mulpruek, outlined the content of the petition specifying that the key 37 leaders of the PPP should have their voting rights revoked for five years in light of the allegations of election fraud, or knowingly allowing such to continue. The party's former deputy leader was disqualified during the December 2007 general election, being accused of graft. The party's members of parliament are scheduled to meet Monday to discuss this issue and the ongoing political crisis.


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Preliminary report released on Spanair disaster that killed 154

October 11, 2008

A preliminary report has been released into the disastrous crash of Spanair Flight 5022 in Madrid, Spain on August 20, which killed 154. The report confirms an earlier leaked finding that the wing flaps failed and no warning sounded to alert the pilots.

The MD-82 was headed from Barajas airport to the Canary Islands. Video footage from airport security cameras shows the airliner travelling across an unusually long distance of runway before take-off. It failed to maintain altitude and quickly dropped back down at the runway's end, before bursting into a fireball. Just eighteen people survived the accident.

The report confirms that the aircraft failed to get beyond forty feet off the ground before entering a stall and crashing. The tail of the jet struck the ground first, and the Spanish Civil Aviation Accident Investigation Commission (CIAIAC)'s report also notes that the aircraft was carrying 10,130 litres (2,673 gallons) of fuel.

The wing flaps were "fully retracted" at "0 degrees" according to the 12-page report, which also notes that the cockpit voice recorder indicates a complete failure of the take-off warning system (TOWS) - which is supposed to alert pilots attempting to take off in a plane that is not properly configured - to sound prior to the failed ascent. Spanair checks the TOWS each day and after every change in flight crew, but neither of these occurred between the accident flight and the flight before.

It is not known when the CIAIAC's final report will be ready, but estimates vary from a few months to two years. The latest report notes "The investigation continues. It will be necessary to carry out tests and an exhaustive examination of the recovered parts of the plane." A separate judicial investigation also continues.


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Police in Bathurst, NSW assaulted with "sex toy"

October 11, 2008

A police officer at the annual Bathurst 1000 motorsport event in Bathurst, New South Wales has been assaulted by a dildo, with another man arrested for publically displaying pornography.

Police allege that a 22-year-old man from Moss Vale approached a male police officer seated inside a police vehicle. It is alleged the man launched at the officer hitting him in the head with a "sex toy". The officer was uninjured in the incident.

The man was arrested and charged with assaulting police.

Earlier in the evening, police from the Public Order and Riot Squad came across a man displaying pornographic material on a television he had mounted on a trolley walking around the McPhillamy Park Campsite. The 35 year-old man from St Helen's Park was arrested and taken to the on site police station where he was questioned. Police conducted a search of the man's tent where around 20 pornographic DVDs were located.

The man was charged with displaying pornographic material.

Assistant Commissioner Shearer said, “Camping on the mountain are families with young children and for someone to deliberately walk around displaying pornographic material is completely unacceptable.”

“Police are working tirelessly to ensure that the event remains a family friendly event where by all spectators can enjoy the V8 Super cars as they intended. The behaviour displayed by some individuals is extremely disappointing, however, overall the fans have been very well behaved.”

Both men were ejected from the event and cannot return to the Mount Panorama circuit for the remainder of the event.


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may i know whose there? Azamishaque (talk) 10:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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Iceland and United Kingdom in diplomatic dispute over financial crisis

October 11, 2008

Relations between Iceland and the United Kingdom are deteriorating after the two nations fell out over the current financial crisis. When Iceland nationalised first Landsbanki and then Kaupthing Bank the Financial Services Authority only took on domestic assets, leaving British customers with subsidiary banks out of pocket. While Britain feels Iceland should also pay out to their citizens, Iceland blame the UK for triggering the crisis by using the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 to freeze the UK assets of Icelandic banks.

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown says Iceland should pay out up to €20,887 (£16,448) of UK investors' money in the banks, particularly Icesave, an online company owned by Landsbanki which had around 300,000 accounts owned by UK customers. It will cost an estimated 2.4 billion pounds to compensate them, and it looks likely the UK will foot that bill.

Alistair Darling, the U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer, has said that individuals with accounts will see their money again but other accounts are not guaranteed - leaving governmental, corporate and charitable deposits at risk of being lost. UK local authorities could lose £799 million.

"The prime minister made clear the behavior of the Icelandic authorities had been unacceptable, and we had found it very difficult to get information from them," said Michael Ellam, a spokesperson for Brown. A delegation has been sent to Reykjavik from the UK to try and solve the dispute amicably.

However, fears that the crisis may escalate have led to the pound becoming heavily devalued. The pound hit its lowest level for five years versus the US dollar after Brown threatened to freeze the assets of all Icelandic companies in the UK, which employ around 100,000 people.

The last time the two nations had a dispute, dubbed the Cod Wars, was in the 1970s. Iceland declared an exclusive fishing zone and began to cut the nets of British trawlers entering the area. That dispute came to a head in 1976 when a UK naval vessel with nuclear arms rammed an Icelandic ship that had been cutting nets. After this a compromise was reached to allow a limited number of British ships in the area.


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LOL
CALLING ALL TOOLS
 * Huh, huhuh! he said "tool"! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Predicted on the Mayan Calendar
As cheesey as it sounds the Mayan Calendar says that between last november and this november we will witness an economical transformation, specifically within our monetary system, and perhaps eliminating it all together. Yes, the same calendar that ends in 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I thought that the a major cycle on the Mayan calender ends on December 21, 2012, not in 2011, that gives us a whole extra year before the end of the world as we know it ;) --Sparky1 (talk) 09:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Patent nonsense. A cycle on the Mayan calendar ends - it just so happens that everyone with a tinfoil beanie thinks the world ends at the same time. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the Mayans were just going to fill that in later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.17.132 (talk) 14:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

IMO
This is just a report to calm down the public so they don't cause TOO much panic or cause a riot. I mean, most of the might feel relief that the leaders of the worlds came together to work together.

But, can they really? Can they really agree on other's opinion? Or will they care too much about their own country and disagree? Only time will show. -Sidorvich (talk)

Surely they can't afford to do nothing about this problem... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.55.2 (talk) 03:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


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=Whose side are you on - Britain or Iceland?=

go iceland! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.140.150 (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Iceland better pay savings back Icesave customers ASAP!
I am on Britain's side! Until something is done, Iceland & Icesave have basically ripped off 300,000 people savings accounts. They should have never froze their customers' accounts. In the worst case, they should have immediately dispensed checks for the required government insurance coverage back to their customers, like the FDIC would.

I do not understand why this is taking so long. This is very scary. Icesave customers should have been refunded their savings days ago. Also, I don't understand why Britian has unfroze their UK assets. Icesave needs to give back their customers' money ASAP or the whole world will loose confidence.

Hrannar: Neither Iceland or Britain is the bad guy here. The bad guys are those who have stolen unlimited amounts of money from both governments through the privately founded Icesave. Both governments and the people using these account slept on their guard, against a scam that seemed too good to be true, and it was. If the Icelandic government pays all the money back with the Icelandic taxpayer's money, we are talking about decades of poverty for the the future of a whole nation. The responsible parties should be held accountable for what they did. Both governments should participate in gathering a neutral investigation committee, that will hopefully be effective in finding the true culprits, bringing them to justice and help restore balance between those two friendly nations. (Hrannar - Iceland)

Don't demonise Iceland
I think it is extremely unhelpful for Gordon Brown to demonise Iceland when the UK banks did exactly the same as their banks. He just patted them on the head and said 'there, there, I'll bail you out'. He could be demonstrating statesmanlike behaviour instead and working alongside the Icelandic government; after all our public services are at stake.

What bothers me more is that the IMF is waiting in the wings. I know their neo liberal theories are more and more discredited now that it is blindingly obvious that unregulated capitalism is unsustainable and anti-democratic. However, they handily have an emergency fund available to give to rich and poor countries alike. I doubt that their practice has changed; they always hand out loans with strings which always include cuts to public services. I hope I'm wrong.

-birgitte UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birgitte (talk • contribs) 15:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Is it just the financial crisis?
Or is it the russian money that went to Iceland, the last frop for the brits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.109.80 (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Iceland; I'm always for the country with a total population almost half that of Wisconsin's state capitol... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.236.193 (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Iceland: How is a country that small in population and GDP supposed to pay back that much? They are already in more dire straits than the US. If they are forced to pay back, the country will go bankrupt. --129.15.131.251 02:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

How come using Terror Laws against Iceland? How about nuking the Vatican State? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.95.47.71 (talk) 05:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

There seem to be a few people thinking that the British government has used anti-terror law against Iceland, this isn't true it was the crime prevention section of the legislation that was used to seize Icelandic assets. This only happened because the Icelandic government refused to refund money that was being held in accounts that where supposed to be protected. I do believe that the British government has acted in a heavy-handed manner but people should not be mistaken into thinking that the Icelandic government is an innocent party in this incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.166.141 (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


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Bush attempts to reassure Americans in radio address

October 11, 2008

George W. Bush, the, has attempted to reassure Americans on the economy in his weekly radio address.

"Over the past few days, we have witnessed a startling drop in the stock market -- much of it driven by uncertainty and fear," he said, introducing the address. "Many Americans have serious concerns about their economic well-being." Bush then pointed out the action that the government is taking. "Here are the problems we face and the steps we are taking: First, key markets are not functioning because there is a lack of liquidity. So the Federal Reserve has injected hundreds of billions of dollars into the system. The Fed has joined with central banks around the world to coordinate a cut in interest rates -- a step that should help free up credit. The Fed has also announced a new program to provide support for a vital tool that many American businesses use to finance their day-to-day operations -- the commercial paper market, which is freezing up. As this program kicks in over the next week or so, it will help revive a key source of short-term financing for businesses and financial institutions." "Second, some Americans are concerned about whether their money is safe," continued the president. "So the and the  have significantly expanded the amount of money insured in savings accounts and checking accounts and certificates of deposit. That means that if you have up to $250,000 in one of these insured accounts, every penny of that money is safe. The Treasury Department has also acted to restore confidence in a key element of America's financial system by offering government insurance for money market mutual funds."

Bush then said that there was an issue with fraud in the economy. He stated that, to address this issue, "the Securities and Exchange Commission is launching rigorous enforcement actions to detect fraud and manipulation in the market."

The yesterday fell to its lowest level in five years at 8,579.19, falling 679 points in one day. This, at 7.3%, is the eleventh largest percentage fall in the history of the index. The growth then continued, with the index being up over 150 points on the start of the day at one point.

The index, did however, recover, and as of 19:30 was up 17.68 points, or 0.21%, pushing the index up to almost 8600.

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Comments:Witnesses: Doomed train had green light

chatsworth crash train
yeah I got an opinion on this story and all stories on the internet. i want to know immediately of anything new and that is not too much to expect from the internet. what's the status on this? whether or not the light was green is crucial to the story. how are links to information ordered on Google? isn't google all messed up inside? What do you mean my ip address will be logged? what about my privacy? i dont want to have to click on something to chase down my *darn* privacy.

we're going to do very diferent things to bring mass transit back if its this kind of operator error or if its the other cause with a cover-up too. this crash is in the disaster category, and you need to get people out of their cars. SEB

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Train Accident - False Proceed - Deteriorated Signal Light System?
google for "false proceed" www.ironwoodtech.com/researchcenter/falseproceeds/falseproceeds.htm nothing shows on gov't records?? safetydata.fra.dot.gov/OfficeofSafety/publicsite/affp/Fpbrowse.aspx - 40k - 685 railroad reports?? http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/register/2006/2006_17947.pdf

are there BAD GREEN signals around the world? http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Clapham-Junction-rail-crash

Pilot Assoc., "tendency to blame the pilot." Court Cases [PDF] 239 F.2d 785 YENTZER v. PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD COMPANY File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML This is an appeal by the defendant railroad company from a judgment recovered .... it showed a "false proceed" signal involving a failure of the signal ... www.precydent.com/pdf/239/F.2d/785.pdf;jsessionid=si93vudu0ejp -

TC Green wiring http://www.bullsheet.com/news/200009.html . The insulation on this type of wiring is suspected of deteriorating when exposed to moisture. Signals are designed to "fail safe" or go to red if they malfunction. This is the first time in the rail industry that a false proceed signal indication has been attributed to TC Green wiring.

www.ironwoodtech.com/researchcenter/falseproceeds/cause/1160.pdf http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.04.html http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.04.html#subj6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.89.68 (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The NTSB did not find the cell phone
Don't say that the engineer was texting, because there is no proof that he had his cell phone with him. They did not find the engineer's cell phone on the site. Since the fire was put out quickly, it could not have burned away. It is possible that somebody else may have called the sandwich and have texted for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.210.255.22 (talk) 07:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Argentina: TV channel taken off the air in Mendoza at rival’s request

Is not surprice than a monopoly try to block the democracy in its fundamental rights, Manzano a corrupt politician and the Vila's are trying to have two million people in their pockets, but its a good challenge to the goverment to show " In Argentina we have a solid Democracy"


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Comments:Bush attempts to reassure Americans in radio address

Did Bush reassure you?
No. "We are the government. We're here to help." -  Amgine | t 02:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Scary, scary words. Bush was the epitome of monstrous overarching government that Republicans perpetually try to portray Democrats as. His policies saw billions go into the pockets of the people inside the Military-Industrial complex, Blackwater being a most notable beneficiary of how things were being structured. They profited massively in providing 'personal security' for non-military US personnel in Iraq - i.e. glorified mercenary bodyguards. All the spending on that vanished into apparently non-controversial parts of government sector budgets. If you can find some honest accountants to audit and redo the books from his eight years in power you might shock a lot of people. Of course, if they're died-in-the-wool fundamentalist Republicans, they might just move to Arizona - I hear there's a lot of sand there for you to stick your head in. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Bush
Why would anyone with a brain be reassured, What has Bush done right. Name one thing that everyone thinks he did right and I will name a number that the majority feels he was wrong. His own party wants McCain to stay away from him. Do you see him helping McCain in this election? How do you think the world feels about Bush. This Global economy is a wonderful thing. We are not alone Everyone will be in the same boat. Europe did not want us to invade Iraq. Everyone told the Bush administration that this would not work. This is why we were alone except for handful from a few country's When Clinton was in office we had money to fund everything. Now they are talking about making cuts in everything. I am retired and my wife is going to retire this next year. We have worked and payed taxes for a total of 94 years. My wife has worked for 48 years and I worked for 46 years. Why should we do without when this government has let CEO's run off with millions. Why don't we put a bounty on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.128.165 (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/October 12, 2008

= Audio Wikinews Brief for October 12, 2008 =

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Saturday, October 12, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here are today's current stories.

G7 says "all available tools" will be used to solve crisis
In the midst of the intensifying global financial crisis, finance ministers and central bankers of the G7 nations - Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, and the United Kingdom - met in Washington, D.C. Friday evening and released a joint statement. With failures of large financial institutions in the United States, the crisis rapidly evolved into a global crisis resulting in bank failures in Europe and the Americas, and sharp reductions in the value of stocks and commodities worldwide. The crisis further lead to a liquidity problem and the de-leveraging of world assets, which further accelerated the problem. The crisis has roots in the subprime mortgage crisis and is an acute phase of the financial crisis of 2007-2008. After the meeting, a joint statement was released with a commitment to "stabilize financial markets and restore the flow of credit."

Bush attempts to reassure Americans in radio address
George W. Bush, the President of the United States, has attempted to reassure Americans on the economy in his weekly radio address on Saturday. "Over the past few days, we have witnessed a startling drop in the stock market -- much of it driven by uncertainty and fear," he said, introducing the address. "Many Americans have serious concerns about their economic well-being."

"The Fed has joined with central banks around the world to coordinate a cut in interest rates -- a step that should help free up credit."

"Second, some Americans are concerned about whether their money is safe," continued the president. "So the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the National Credit Union Administration have significantly expanded the amount of money insured in savings accounts and checking accounts and certificates of deposit. That means that if you have up to $250,000 in one of these insured accounts, every penny of that money is safe."

Bush then said that there was an issue with fraud in the economy. He stated that, to address this issue, "the Securities and Exchange Commission is launching rigorous enforcement actions to detect fraud and manipulation in the market."

PAD plan protest for Monday; Thai political crisis ongoing
Thailand's People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) announced a planned rally this coming Monday at the national stadium and march to police headquarters in protest at action taken against demonstrators last Tuesday. Tuesday's protest, where attempts were made to block MPs access to and from parliament, turned ugly when police employed tear gas and other measures to disperse the PAD crowd. Two protesters died, over four hundred were injured, and reports indicate that as many as ten may be missing. The ongoing protests and demonstrations are aimed at toppling the governing People's Power Party (PPP) who are accused of being a proxy for deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra's outlawed Thai Rak Thai party. Thailand's troubles saw the Prime Minister, Somchai Wongsawat, cancel a number of foreign visits. The beleagured PM had planned to visit five ASEAN partner countries in a tour that would have started next week. Additional trips to Laos, Cambodia, and Myanmar (formerly Burma) were cancelled. According to a member of the PPP this is due to the current unrest.

'Troopergate' investigation finds Palin abused her power
An Alaskan legislative investigation, nicknamed 'Troopergate', concluded Friday that Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin had abused her power during her time as Alaskan governor. The report, released by a bipartisan investigative committee, found that Palin had violated the state Ethics Act when she allowed her husband to pressure former Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan into firing state trooper Mike Wooten; however, she was well within her rights to fire Monegan because of disagreement on budget cuts. Sarah Palin had "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report went on to say. While the investigative committee had agreed unanimously to release the report, a few Republicans on the panel had attempted to halt the investigation, citing political bias.

Conclusion
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