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Do you have any more recent sources for this? It is a little stale to have such non-recent sources. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I found a couple within the 2–3 days period. They agree with the facts of the article, and elaborate on the details as well:
 * July 21, 2008: http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/87712BD2-0BE5-43B6-94F0-30B889BC363A.asp
 * July 23, 2008: http://www.genomicsproteomics.com/index.aspx?ID=93702
 * I'm not sure if the more recent one is a qualified source though. Louis Waweru  Talk 11:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick look and these seem to be okay sources, stick them in and add some detail from them if you can. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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This article needs to be re-written for correct English; I understand the authors are French, but it does need work. Also, the title needs to be changed for POV. Guy Leech (talk) 12:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


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I made an image, not sure if it should be included in the article but here it is: Louis Waweru  Talk 12:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


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UK opposition leader David Cameron's bicycle was stolen

July 24, 2008

Conservative Party leader David Cameron was last night a victim of crime following the theft of his bicycle.

The Leader of the Opposition in the United Kingdom was out shopping in West London when the incident happened at around 6:30 last night. He was said to have chained the bike to a short bollard while he picked up some groceries in Tesco on Portobello Road. When he came out, the bike along with its chain had vanished.

He stated that he "would very much like it back" and that to him "it was absolutely priceless". He is also said to have reported the theft on the Scotland Yard online reporting website, but was pessimistic about it being returned. The thieves are said to be a group of teenagers.

Around 19,000 bicycles are reported stolen every year in London alone.

Cameron's spokesperson said he had owned the bike for five years, and used it regularly to cycle to work. She stated he was "pretty hacked off" by the theft.


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Talk:Palestinian official newspapers: Israel uses super rats against Jerusalem Arabs

Thought it over and decided that while Fatah/Hamas stuff is an official Palestinian usage of rats, it is an illustration of the "enemy" as rats rather than claiming it's enemy is using rats. It's not "totally unrelated", but not worth the argument for inclusion. 77.127.253.51 14:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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I think the image+text replacement is a mistake. Taking a front-page quality picture and replacing it with a low quality shot that looks like it was taken in a basement by a snap-and-shoot camera clearly doesn't add value to the piece. 77.127.253.51 17:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * How is a tiny image that is 200 × 97 pixel (file size: 6 KB) "front page quality"? How does a picture of a mouse add any value to a story about rats? --SVTCobra 19:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * An image of a white rat is wholly inappropriate when it is more likely the local rat population is black or brown rats. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * First off, I can't believe you're assuming the super-rats are real. Secondly, the story mentions lab engineered rats trained by Israel and an image of a lab rat is very much suitable. I can't see eye to eye with you on the white vs. "probably" black. We're here to tell a news story, not go to the field and examine the traits of the non existing super-rat. To be frank, I thought the objection to the mouse image was a bit fussy, but this really takes the fuss to original research (assumption of traits) in the realm of fiction (non existant creature). Regardless, the current image is far cleaner and of higher value than the other shot.
 * On a side note, the lab mice image had both a black and a white mouse in it but I accepted the demand for accuracy in the "species" department (not that super-rats exist). 77.127.253.51 23:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Palestinian official newspapers: Israel uses super rats against Jerusalem Arabs

I believe in Dr. Khattar. Its just another israeli hellish misery. And what they have got to say? Always the same thing : "Thats not true."

super rats
any one who believes this claim is silly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.63.250.11 (talk) 17:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This article is one of the most insane things I have ever had the misfortune to read. This is along the same lines as the people who claim that the US created HIV to make black people suffer. The guys cites ONE person, who used some rat poison that didn't work, and now they've concocted a gigantic conspiracy theory! Ridiculous. Did they test the poison for potency? No. Did they make sure the guy didn't accidentally use his foot powder instead of rat poison? No. Did they make sure he wasn't ripped off at his local market by some kid who was selling baking powder labelled as rat poison? No. They have no evidence at all, but instead of attempting to gather some, they kick their imaginations into high-gear and spout idiocy. This kind of anti-science behaviour is a good example of why the concept of religion as a whole (including Islam) should be stuffed into a sack and drowned in the nearest ocean. Non-evidence faith based reasoning simply DOES - NOT - WORK. When you try it, you end up with crap like this rat nonsense, or the HIV conspiracy nonsense. All a result of the use of faith over logic. Gopher65talk 18:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, I think it is informative as to what gets reported in "newspapers" and shows the kind of propagada that some people have to sift through as they try to understand their surroundings. --SVTCobra 00:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I should have said "the content of this article is one of the most insane things...". I wasn't intending to disparage the existence of the article itself. Knowing what other people are thinking is always important. Gopher65talk 02:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is this story here? This is such a propaganda peice and I am shocked that WikiNews has it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.20.225 (talk) 21:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Umm, propaganda in favor of who? 77.127.253.51 04:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


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Iraq banned from participating in Beijing Olympics

July 24, 2008 The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has told the Iraqi Olympic Committee that Iraq can not field a team in the 2008 Summer Olympics, which are due to open in Beijing, China August 8, 2008.

The International Olympic committee said that it took this action "as a consequence of the ongoing political interference by the government within the sports movement in Iraq." The Iraqi government suspended its Olympic Committee, the National Olympic Committee of Iraq, which they viewed as dysfunctional for several reasons, including the holding of illegitimate meetings, having officials serve past their post and living outside of the country. Interference by government is not permitted by the IOC.

The government of Iraq has said that the decision undermines the effort athletes put into getting a place in the Iraqi Olympic team. Dana Hussain, one of the sprinters who would have been on the Iraqi team, was reported to be distraught by the decision. According to her coach she was "crying for about two hours." Her coach compared the decision to "finding out that a close relative has died."

The deadline to register for five of the seven would-be Iraqi Olympians has passed. However, if the National Olympic Committee of Iraq is reinstated, the possibility exists that its two sprinters may be able to compete, if they register before the track and field deadline at the end of July.


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Iraq banned from participating in Beijing Olympics
It has now been published. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:UK opposition leader David Cameron's bicycle was stolen

Is this really news? Seriously... a bike was stolen.--Quadrastreet (talk) 18:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed; not news. Wikidsoup (talk) 18:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also agreed. its not news unless it was stolen as a political statement, and there is no evidence to that fact. delete the article. Rekov (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Three of the major broadsheets in the UK covered this and his office issued a statement, so I think it qualifies as news. Not important news, but news nonetheless. --SVTCobra 19:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because British newspapers report on something does not mean that we should as well. We have the opportunity to change what free media is, and we should not waste it. Each decision should be analyzed. We shouldn't just parallel the past.Rekov (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Who owned the bicycle is what makes it news. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would agree with this statement if the theft had been targeted, but it seems that it had not. It is merely coincidence that the bicycle belonged to someone of importance. Rekov (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would not have bothered to write a story for Wikinews about this, but someone did and we rely on volunteer work. We have covered news that is even less important, so there is no reason to delete this. Yes, there are more important stories that are not being covered, but this discussion is only taking away time from covering them. --SVTCobra 22:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the problem is that the original posting never made mention of what Brian had to say below, "not the leader of a major UK political party who has made a big deal out of cycling to parliament every day." If there had been a mention of how the politician was a heavy-duty pro-biking advocate, I'd be more willing to treat the article as genuine news. --Quadrastreet (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this story works to highlight the fact that 19,000 bikes are stolen every year in London. One by one, that may sound inconsequential, but at 60 pounds a bike that's over a million pounds a year in property theft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.47.208 (talk) 15:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Teenagers??
Let them be hanged, drawn and quartered I say!!

Plus, when my bike gets stolen, I will make sure to post it here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.101.74 (talk) 11:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That would get deleted very quickly. You see, you're just an IP address - not the leader of a major UK political party who has made a big deal out of cycling to parliament every day. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Bike theft
Serves him right in my opinion, BBC News reported that he had only chained it to a bollard. It wasn't exactly difficult to steal. The thief would have just lifted it off the bollard and gone! He should be more careful. Iceflow (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.234.119 (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The bollard he put in on was no more that 4 feet high, and his shocked that it was stolen. And to think this man could be running the counrty soon.—Hippostud (talk) 21:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Iraq banned from participating in Beijing Olympics

how is the govt interfering? - Imind (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

This is bad
One of the main purposes of the Olympics, is to forget political conflicts, and to come together in the spirit of athletics. Iraq being banned goes in direct conflict with this ideal. Not only does this make China look worse than it does, but it begins a slippery slope to politicizing a great event. Shame on China. -- Poe Joe (Talk) 20:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Re-read the article. It was not China took the decision, but the IOC. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my comments against China. But.  This is much worse!  The IOU agreeing to this atrocity?!  Like User:Louis Waweru said, these athletes have endured so much for this.  And my comment that the Olympics is becoming politicized still stands.  They have the same right as any other Olympic athlete to complete.  It really is a shame. -- Poe Joe (Talk) 04:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't imagine what kind of training the athletes have endured. It's a shame that politics has ruined this for them. There should really be a team under the banner of Earth or something for people like them. Louis Waweru  Talk 22:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked the rather facetious comment on the BBC site about the athlete who tried to appeal his lifetime Olympic ban. They called for a "drugged-up Olympics" just so they could see a man outrun a tiger. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No, the purpose of the Olympics is to gain money for the IOC. I don't think this is politics so much as just beurocrasy. I mean the IOC does so many other underhanded things, they need to keep the Olympics respectable in some ways, including perhaps restricting the involvement of governments. Or maybe the no government rule is just to help maintain their power. 195.154.158.100 10:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Interference
How can Iraq interfere with the Olympics? An odd punishment. Makes me wonder whether the U.S. government is seeking retribution for the Iraqi government expressing a public desire for a timeline. Manlong (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


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Amy Winehouse wax model unveiled

July 24, 2008 A wax model of British singer Amy Winehouse was unveiled on Wednesday at Madame Tussauds in London. The model, nearly six feet tall and clad in a yellow dress with a microphone in hand, is said to bear a strong likeness to the singer. Her tattoos have even been reproduced to the last detail, including one of a lightning bolt.

While her parents attended the event, Winehouse herself was too busy working to attend. Her father Mitch remarked that "This is the reward for her musical achievements and her talent".

The troubled singer, 24, is well known for her drug use, and last month was thought to have been suffering from the early stages of emphysema.

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Minimum wage in United States increases to $6.55

July 25, 2008 The federal minimum wage in the United States increased Thursday by 70 cents from US$5.85 to $6.55. This is the second of three increases to take place each year in the federal minimum wage under a law passed by Congress in 2007. Next year, the federal minimum wage is scheduled to increase to $7.25.

Twenty-four states and the District of Columbia already have higher minimum wage settings than that of the Federal Government. The new minimum wage can be considered to be less than the wage level of 1997, which when adjusted for inflation, was the equivalent of $7.02. Adjusting for inflation the minimum wage 40 years ago was the equivalent of $10.06 in today's dollars, according to the U.S. Labor Department.

District of Columbia law sets its minimum wage to automatically be $1.00 higher than the federal minimum. Eight states will have their state minimums increase to the federal minimum. 18 states automatically follow the federal minimum, while 24 already have minimum wage rates higher than the federal minimum. These range from Washington state at $8.07, California and New York at $8.00, to Florida at $6.79. Nevada sets its minimum wage at $6.85 unless health benefits are included, in which case the minimum is $5.85. Several states have their state minimums indexed to inflation. South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are the only states yet to set a minimum wage law.

A number of cities, including San Francisco and New York, also have local minimum wage laws which set the minimum wage for jobs in those cities to figures higher than the federal minimum, and in some cases higher than the state minimum.

About two million workers will get an increase as a result of the change. Approximately five million will receive an increase from next year's minimum wage increase.

A number of small businesses will have difficulties raising prices to cover the increase in costs, while other businesses in tight labor markets indicate the increase is irrelevant as employees are already being paid more than the federal minimum.

"Government price-setting has never been good for the economy, and they are setting the price of labor," said William Dunkelberg, chief economist for the National Federation of Independent Business. "If you want more people hired, you don't make it more expensive to hire them."


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"This is the second of three increases each year", the article should explain where minimum wage started in 2007, if this is a three-year plan. Sherurcij 07:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:African HIV prevalence may also be physiological

Logical fallacy: correlation is not causation. Just because 2 things happen to occur at the same time (lack of Duffy gene; prevalence of HIV) it does not mean that one causes the other--especially since "the study [...] does not identify why the absence of the chemokine receptor in red blood cells increases susceptibility to HIV".

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Hole in fuselage causes Qantas flight to make emergency landing

July 25, 2008 A Boeing 747-438, Qantas airways flight number QF30 from London, England to Melbourne, Australia, had to make an emergency landing at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila after a door panel popped open, creating a massive hole in the plane's fuselage.

After a brief stopover in Hong Kong, passengers reported hearing a large bang and saw what appeared to be papers flying around outside their windows. Oxygen masks were deployed and an emergency descent from nearly 30,000 feet to 10,000 feet was initiated by the pilots, who managed to successfully divert the aircraft to Manila for an emergency landing.

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Rest in peace.--Galifardeu (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

death of estelle getty
estelle may be gone but sophia lives on always xxxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.239.48 (talk) 18:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It's sod sad about Estelle Getty gone. I bet the world mourns her and her family.

estelle getty like candy

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estelle getty died on july 22 2008 of lewy body dementia at her home in south point ohio she was member of oude kerk in amsterdam netherlands she was born july 25 1922 in amsterdam netherlands her burial will follow in oude kerk in amsterdam netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.94.46 (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


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Comments:Minimum wage in United States increases to $6.55

$6.55 minimum wage? That's pathetic. Is this the U.S. government's way of competing with China? Pay the same wages? --Brian McNeil / talk 13:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's better than nothing. Many countries, such as Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Cyprus have no minimum wage laws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.75.93.104 (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Shit in Spain you get pay every 3 weeks not 2 like in the US. --66.229.12.186 16:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I note that all the countries you mention have a social security net to catch the poorly paid and ensure that they have enough money to live on, yes, even Spain - which is obliged to do so as a member of the EU. Over here in Europe we're filthy socialists who believe everyone should have enough money to live on - without working over 100 hours a week. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Inflation has absolutely rocketed in the past decade. The fact that the federal minimum wage is not AT LEAST $10.00 is criminal in my mind. 71.236.31.29 03:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Even the concept of "minimum wage" has lost all "real life" implications. It is just a number that politicians get to bring home to their constituancy and say "I did this!" However, it is nearly meaningless. The millions of "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented workers" or whatever people want to call them, render the concept meaningless. And those elitists in Europe who think they are being "social", really know (or ought to know) they are just creating a class of people who "game" the system and do nothing ... ever. --SVTCobra 03:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your distain for Europeans is noted. Is this a common attitude among people living in the United States? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You mistake my disdain for socialism. I like Europeans just fine. Most of my close family lives in Europe and two friends from Europe are visiting me right now. --SVTCobra 17:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * SVTCobra is Danish, I believe. That, or Swedish. I think he'd be the last one to have "express disdain for Europeans." Mike Halterman (talk) 03:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

if the europeans have created a class of people who "game" the system and do nothing ever, this should be quite evident and easily proven. please do so. - Imind (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Some of them live here. --SVTCobra 17:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

great. could you describe how they are "gaming" the system, and which ones are doing it? - Imind (talk) 20:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are some IHT article. But my reason for saying what I said is largely anecdotal. --SVTCobra 11:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Reading the page I notice that the town's residents number something around 850 people, even if they are receiving massive government support for their activities; even if they're ALL contributing nothing. There are still too few of them to worry about. While I agree that people gaming the system is something to be concerned about, that shouldn't be a reason to disenfranchise people who are poor for reasons beyond their control. This was the reason given for the lack of Government help during the Victorian era in London and it's surroundings; one of the reasons it was regarded as one of the most miserable places to live during that time even by tourists from other 19th century cities. --131.181.251.66 22:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * One other thing, I doubt the "chief economist" himself has ever tried to live off minimum wage while trying to get education or a higher paying job; I suspect he wouldn't be so cavalier about Business's interests if he had. --131.181.251.66 22:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reasoning is independent of one's living conditions. Fephisto (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but it seems apparent that the "reasoning" has no basis in knowledge of the conditions the decision imposes. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say that what you are saying is with regards to the side that wishes to keep the minimum wage. Fephisto (talk) 02:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Just repeal it already
It will either cause unemployment or inflation or more than likely both, for the reasoning to back this up, I suggest going here: http://mises.org/humanaction/chap30sec3.asp (or, better yet, reading the whole book; but that may take a while). The base argument is an ethical one in that minimum wage, as all price controls are grounded and enforced by the result of coercion.Fephisto (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps worth reading the Wikipedia entry on the people hosting this. Of course, some knowledge of social reforms, and their necessity, that have happened in the past 200 years might make you sceptical of the validity of their ideology. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Brian, no, this doesn't convince me, and from my point of view it appears to be a Red Herring to the issue of the minimum wage. Is there a something about Human Action or Austrian Economics or natural rights that you would like to level directly?  Fephisto (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Balance
It still remains staggering to me that we live in a society that recognizes a standard for poverty. The government determines what level of yearly income would qualify you for poverty staus, and then sets a minimum wage that would have peaople enetring into that catagory. I doubt that the founding father's would have accepted the fact that we could recognize "poverty" and then set a monetary amount that would have Americans agreeing to work for less. In my opinion, the timeframe that the federal government is using is to slow. Workers need to earn a "minimum wage" that places them above the poverty level now.

This being said, it is hard for companies and small businesses to afford to pay workers a drastically higher wage. Simply put, it's easier to leave the country and pay foreign workers much less. This topic is a viscious circled that is not easily broken, but none the less, it must be. The seperation of wealth in the US is a widening gap that will ultimatley lead to situations of economic depression that we are not equipped to handle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.245.15 (talk) 15:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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British boy drowns while on holiday with family in Portugal

25th July 2008

Government officials have confirmed that a six-year-old boy from the Claudy area of Londonderry Northern Ireland has drowned while on vacation with his family in Algarve, Portugal. The confirmation came from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) in London, England which stated that the boy drowned on Thursday July 24.

The boy, identified by the FCO as Nathan Sharkey, had been on holiday with his family since earlier this week. Authorities have not released anymore information about the incident because the boy is a minor.

"Because the national in question is a minor we can release no further details," stated the FCO.

The family is currently receiving assistance from the British Consul and the FCO. Nathan is survived by his parents and two brothers, one being his twin.


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US presidential candidate Obama speaks in Berlin, Germany

July 28, 2008 United States Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, spoke to over 200,000 last Thursday in Berlin, Germany at Tiergarten Park. His speech was focused on building a stronger connection with Germany and Europe. Obama also called for German troops to be deployed to Afghanistan, and for greater German participation in international crises. The speech was received very well in Germany and back in the United States. The German newspaper Bild stated that "unlike George W. Bush, [Obama] wants to do this in cooperation with others, especially Europe."

The National Review's Jim Geraghty commended Obama on pushing Germany for more help in Afghanistan: "If Barack Obama can convince the Germans to contribute more to the mission in Afghanistan, God bless him, I mean that." Germany's own Der Tagesspiegel commented that the speech "was the signal of a new era for a new generation on both sides of the Atlantic."

The McCain campaign said that the speech was "eloquent praise for this country." However McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds also said that "while Barack Obama took a premature victory lap today in the heart of Berlin, proclaiming himself a 'citizen of the world,' John McCain continued to make his case to the American citizens who will decide this election."

Barack Obama arrived in Berlin on July 24. His stop in Berlin was part of his Middle East/European tour that he has conducted to shore up his foreign relations record. Friday, Obama continued on to Paris, France.


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SNP wins Glasgow East by-election in Scotland

July 26, 2008 Scottish National Party (SNP) candidate John Mason has won a surprise victory in the Glasgow East by-election in Scotland.

Labour won a majority of 13,507 in the last election, and the constituency has been in Labour Party control in some shape or form since 1922, and the result has been called a "political earthquake".

In his maiden speech, John Mason said:

You have shown that the East End must never be taken for granted, as it has been in the past... Three weeks ago the SNP predicted a political earthquake. This SNP victory is not just a political earthquake, it is off the Richter scale. It is an epic win, and the tremors are being felt all the way to Downing Street. Labour MPs across Scotland will be quaking in their boots.

The SNP has a history of upset wins in by-elections in and around Glasgow, including Winnie Ewing in Hamilton in 1967, Margo MacDonald in Govan in 1974, and another in Govan in 1988 by Jim Sillars.

Labour candidate Margaret Curran had been favourite to win, but early on her campaign team was infiltrated by a journalist from The Sunday Times who exposed a number of problems and issues.

SNP Deputy Leader Nicola Sturgeon has said that this loss for the Labour party is a reflection of both Gordon Brown's lack of leadership, and her own party's popularity. "Yes, it was a vote against Gordon Brown, it was a catastrophe for Gordon Brown, but it was also a positive vote for the SNP and our government in Holyrood," she said. The defeat is one of several in recent months, including fifth place in the Henley and the loss to the Conservatives of Crewe and Nantwich by-elections in England, and the loss of the London Mayoralty. The Glasgow East result is however in Gordon Brown's proverbial backyard.

First Minister Alex Salmond said there are "no safe seats for the Labour Party anywhere in Scotland". He also likened the situation to a battle between the SNP run Scottish Government and the Labour run British Government.

Conservative leader David Cameron called for a UK general election. The Conservatives came a distant third in the by-election, overtaking the Liberal Democrats.

Full results

 * John Mason (SNP) 11,277 (43.08%, +26.06%)
 * Margaret Curran (Lab) 10,912 (41.69%, –18.99%)
 * Davena Rankin (C) 1,639 (6.26%, –0.64%)
 * Ian Robertson (LD) 915 (3.50%, –8.35%)
 * Frances Curran (SSP) 555 (2.12%, –1.42%)
 * Tricia McLeish (Solidarity) 512 (1.96%)
 * Eileen Duke (Scottish Green Party) 232 (0.89%)
 * Chris Creighton (Ind) 67 (0.26%)
 * Hamish Howitt (Choice) 65 (0.25%)


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"Last Lecture" Professor Randy Pausch dies at age 47

July 25, 2008

Randy Pausch, professor of computer science, human-computer interaction, and design at Carnegie Mellon University has died at the age of 47. Pausch died from pancreatic cancer early this morning.

He was born Randolph Frederick Pausch on October 23, 1960 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. He was known for his "The Last Lecture" speech on September 18, 2007 at Carnegie Mellon University.

The Pittsburgh City Council declared November 19, 2007 to be "Dr. Randy Pausch Day."

Finally, Brown University professor Andries van Dam followed Pausch's last lecture with a tearful and impassioned speech praising him for his courage and leadership, calling him a role model.

Pausch repeated his "Last Lecture" speech to the Oprah Show.

On May 18, 2008, Pausch made a surprise return appearance at Carnegie Mellon, giving a speech at the commencement ceremony, as well as attending the School of Computer Science's diploma ceremony.

He leaves behind his wife Jai and their three children: Dylan, 6, Logan, 4, and Chloe, 2.


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User:Anwer Pasha~enwikinews

We are doing what here in Pakistan.A Brain injury Patient Pakistan was a country some year before people were living normaly but many factors specialy international intervention and tactics to finish Pakistan's atomic capability had make the law and order situation worst.I am a victim of this situation.Closed head injury or open head injury both trauma are result of mishaps and Pakistan is now at world highest road accident rate and due to other circumstances Pakistan is facing highest average of Trauma.Very less medical facilities and death toll in head injury is very high,Survivors with brain injury have no place for them anywhere in Pakistan.Benazir Bhutto twice premier of Pakistan was recent victim of head injury who expired in result of a suicidal bomb blast on 27th December 2007, Another famous person was Zahid Khaqan Abbasi who was son of Khaqan Abbasi a minster and senior army general and brother of Shahid Khaqan Abbasi now a minister and former PIA chief who survived after a brain injury in 1988 but could not improve and died almost after 14 years, I am sending you my story, It is a sad story but we need special assistance because we are doing our best and there is success in this hard and normally no cure case,I have mailed you before but now I feel that we are near some success,My son perhaps improving. We have given him a medicine named Amantadine 500 mg for lost 2 months he was already improving ,now he is improving little fast.After stop giving medicine he is moving his hands and a foot better than before,Hopefully we shall break this lock with our effort we were looking for some support specially from U.S.A or U.K, but it looks that we could not get it, Now this is Story of a father of a Pakistani patients Jawad Pasha 26 with traumatic brain injury. I am not good at computer and not good in English so i am sorry if you found it weak. I am father of 3 sons and a daughter. One of my son is working with me rest 2 were studying in university.One named Jawad Pasha when he was 23 found injured at one hospital with some unknown accident on 13th September 2004 and since than he is totally disable like locked in syndrome. It was a very severe head injury and doctors told us that survival is near to impossible and even when he was out of some danger doctors were in opinion that he could not improve. We are helpless here even you can find no website here on the subject of traumatic brain injury. he was under treatment since than at the 2 top hospitals here and visited almost all famous hospitals here at Pakistan, brought him twice to Singapore SGH but only loss because they have no specialty regarding T B I. my son is fully wise smiles and laughs when listen such talks tries to move a little his hand or foot, identify and remember people and voices working hard since than without guidance. He is with good heath till now. Now after a long time a Pakistani doctor at USA is helping and guiding me, but having other tragedies meanwhile. My youngest son Ubaid Pasha who was 23 was kidnapped for ransom on 5th March2007,the same day on which he completed his computer degree and kidnappers received the ransom but they killed him and his body was found after arrest of the kidnappers and one of killers was the person who supplied medical equipment for my son Jawad. My son was a Hope for me and his elder disable brother ,and me going old now,Meanwhile Land mafia power full here found these events fit to capture my business they torched threatened me and my family and beaten my son working with me, what to do? It is 4th year of whole night awakening with my son.I don't know why god selected me for this all but thanks to god he gave me courage to fight. Anwer Kamal Pasha; (Father) .Now new Improvements;I am very happy to tell you that now i feel that we are going to see some imrovements and it is going to be happen without any proper guidance,treatment or advise only by grace of god and support by family and friends of the patient my son Jawad Pasha and friends of my murdered son Ubaid Pasha.There are visible signs of effort of the patient to regain his command on different body parts and a visible improvement.We still need support in different fields as Exercise machines for such patients, wheel chair of special description, Speech therapy guidance,Swallowing technology guidance,Bowl and Urine control guidance,Physiotherapy guidance because physiotherapist here are total unaware about such patients,etc. We shall be happy to join such a work done their for such patients.We can afford traveling and some other expenses in this regard. We can also stay for a long anywhere for rehab or treatment. I want to say thanksThe family struggling hard without any sport or guidance but thank full to Dr Zohair Ali Nanjiani and www autism.meetup.com  Karachi and Dr Carina.Eksteen of Pretoria who came to Pakistan to help earth quake victims and Sr Saad Mustafa Siddigui who is taking care of his Pakistani brother Jawad Pasha.

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Obama's private prayer published in Israeli newspaper

July 26, 2008 When United States Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem to pray on Thursday, July 24, he left a prayer on a sheet of paper in the cracks as is traditional. A orthodox seminary student took the note and gave it to Israeli newspaper, Maariv. Obama is on an international tour to strengthen his foreign affairs credentials ahead of the November election.

Jewish clergy and others have expressed dismay at this personal violation of privacy. Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz, who is the supervisor of the Western Wall, told Israel Army Radio that it was a "outrage", and that "The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use of them."

Analyst and director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank, Jonathan Rosenblum said, "It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall should become a subject of public knowledge at all."

"There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum added.

Maariv has drawn significant criticism for the publication of the prayer. Other Israeli media have chosen to not publish the letter to respect Obama's privacy while many media sources outside Israel have printed the note or excerpts of it.

In the note, Obama did not pray for success in his election but rather prayed for protection for his family and forgiveness. The note ended with Obama asking for God to "help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will."

The Western Wall, often referred to as the Wailing Wall, is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the second Jewish temple and is considered to be Judaism's holiest site. The temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70 was constructed on the same mountain ridge where King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple in the 10th century BC, which was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. According to classical Jewish belief, the Temple (or the Temple Mount) acts as the figurative "footstool" of God's presence in the physical world.


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Needs far more information
Needs far more information. Not only about who Obama is but about where he was and why. The significance of the wall needs an explaination, too. And what is the normal privacy policy? Etc. --SVTCobra 03:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Do we want to include the text
Do we want to include the text of the note? It has been included in a number of major news sources such as Time. , now that the note has been published by a variety of sources refusing to do so strikes me as not NPOV but rather censoring ourselves with respect to specific religious traditions. FWIW, they are my religious traditions and publishing a note in the wall does strike me as pretty poor behavior but I don't think we really have much choice to do otherwise in this context. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an excerpted portion of it could be included in the article, seeing as how multiple major news sources such as TIME and others have done so or included the whole thing. Cirt (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, tried out a version. What do you think? JoshuaZ (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


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Google's search index hits one trillion page mark

July 29, 2008

Google announced on July 25 that its search engine has indexed over 1 trillion unique web pages from all over the globe.

"We knew the web was big," the article on Google's official blog begins. "Even after removing those exact duplicates, we saw a trillion unique URLs." This article also discussed the indexing technology behind the stage. Google, known as a popular international search engine, has servers all around the world to index web pages. With the rapid development of the Internet, the number of web pages with unique URL (Uniform Resource Locator) is growing by several billion per day. In 1998, Google had an index of only about 26 million pages. Within 10 years, that number has increased by 38 thousand times.

Originally called Backrub, Google gained popularity in the early 90s, and has since released products including Gmail, Blogger, and Google Apps.


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User:Datakino

MAN ON THE MISSION
Datta Puranik

A 84 year old going door to door, spreading the message of Sane Guruji through his classic novel ‘Shyamchi Aai’. Surprising? This is just the beginning… Add to this the fact that over the last decade, he has visited over 20,000 households, sold over 25,000 copies of the novel. And all this with a devotion, enthusiasm and energy that belies his aging frame.

Spreading the message of Sane Guruji comes naturally to Datta Puranik, fondly called Puranik Baba. Having been nurtured in his childhood by Sane Guruji, Puranik Baba wants every child to gain the knowledge that he gained, every Marathi household to have a copy of ‘Shyamchi Aai’. He believes that every child should be exposed to the world of ‘Shyamchi Aai’ where the right way of life, values, truth and love for one’s family prevails over all obstacles in life.

Shyamchi Aai’s lessons and values are even more important and relevant in today’s world where television and the internet exposes impressionable minds to a tantalizing world of materialism and fluctuating values, where reports of school going children turning to drugs and murdering family members for money adorns front pages of newspapers and is breaking news on television.

How did this journey from house to house begin? Taking inspiration from his childhood tryst with Sane Guruji, the lessons and stories after school, the values imparted through discussions, Puranik wished to impart some of the same magic to help today’s children cope with the pressures of modern life. Starting from his own children during his working life, he made it his mission after retiring and fulfilling all his other responsibilities to his family to spread the word of Sane Guruji. And what better way than through ‘Shyamchi Aai’ the much loved evergreen classic, the story of Sane Guruji’s childhood, the story of Sane Guruji’s own experiences.

It has been a wonderful journey for Puranik Baba all these years. Come rain or shine, Puranik Baba has continued his journey to carry Sane Guruji’s message to today’s children. In this journey, the good experiences have overwhelmed the few bad experiences. Welcomed with respect into many families who see the spirit of Sane Guruji in Puranik Baba, the testament to this journey of faith is Puranik Baba’s resolve to forego dinner on the day he is unable to sell a single book. This occasion has so far come only thrice!

Puranik Baba has also kept up with modern times. With the advent of VCDs and DVDsof the film from Rudraa Home Video, he has also started selling the VCDs in addition to the books. With similar success!

As Sane Guruji said ‘To entertain children is to worship God’. And Puranik Baba is showing children today the right path through right entertainment!

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User talk:Jonathan26

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Polls
Just because policy does not permit links to external sites within the body of an article does not mean they should be completely removed. An == External links == section can be added to the Obama article and links to the polls referred to listed there.

Also, please do not go direct to publish. It is imperative that an independent editor has read the article and sources to verify it is factually accurate. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation
I removed the copyright violations from this article, but please do not simply copy and paste things from other sites. That is illegal, and cannot be premitted on wikinews. If you are going to use an external source, rewrite it in your own words. Gopher65talk 16:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I just changed it
My good sir, I just changed the tag to develop because it needed more content, you made no changes so please change it back to develop. The Mind's Eye (talk) 20:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Obama's VP candidate
Hi, thanks for creating that story, but your sole source won't load. We need at least two independent sources, anyway. However, please consider updating Story preparation/US candidate Barack Obama announces running mate via text message instead, when realiable/official announcements are made. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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US presidential candidate Barack Obama's lead in the polls increases

July 26, 2008 After several days in Europe, Barack Obama has found his lead in the polls have increased by 2 percent over John McCain. This comes from a polling average that is produced on a daily basis from the polls conducted in the past week. On the 21st of July the polling average had Obama with a 1.5% lead over McCain, 45.8% to 44.3%. As of July 25, Obama is coming at 46.4% and John McCain at 42.9%. Obama has increased by 0.6% of voters, and John McCain has lost 1.4% of voters. The margin of error for the polling average is 0.87%, which means even if the error is added to McCain's column, Obama has a statistical lead. Because almost 11 percent of the population are undecided, and several months remain before the general election, it is too early to call a winner.

The Day to Day Politics Poll Average for the past week used the Gallup Tracking poll, the Rasmussen Tracking poll, the Fox News poll, and the NBC/WSJ poll.


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Talk:US presidential candidate Barack Obama's lead in the polls increases

The polls should either be provided as dated sources, or in an external links section. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This is actually not entirely true, the article name. CNN reports that obama's lead has shrunk to 3%. I think this is a very biased article because CNN takes a average of all the polls whereas this article has only uses 4 different polls. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I apologize I was not aware of all the facts. The Mind's Eye (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this really necessary?
"Because almost 11 percent of the population are undecided, and several months remain before the general election, it is too early to call a winner."

Kind of obvious. Its always too soon to call a winner before anyone has voted, especially if their not going to vote for another three and a half months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.186.169 (talk) 21:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


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Total Contributions Articles The Mind's Eye Created: (With day article was started.)
 * 1) China to establish protest zones for Olympics, July 23, 2008
 * 2) Obama's private prayer published in Israeli newspaper, July 26, 2008
 * 3) US Senate passes housing aid bill, July 26, 2008
 * 4) Two dead, seven others wounded in church by gunfire in Tennessee, United States, July 27, 2008
 * 5) Report says modernizing and repairing US bridges to cost $140 billion, July 28, 2008
 * 6) NASA to extend the Phoenix probe mission by 5 weeks, July 31, 2008
 * 7) 188 Fatah supporters permitted to enter Israel, August 2, 2008
 * 8) United States charges eleven in credit card fraud case, August 5, 2008
 * 9) Nine presumed dead in helicopter crash in California, United States, August 6, 2008
 * 10) Maine resident arrested in Florida for death threats to Bush, Obama, August 7, 2008
 * 11) Georgia wants ceasefire in Ossetia war, August 9, 2008
 * 12) Russia advances into Georgia from Abkhazia, August 11, 2008
 * 13) Ceasefire signed in Georgian-Russian conflict, August 15, 2008
 * 14) United States Senator Lieberman to speak at Republican party convention, August 20, 2008
 * 15) Shooting at school leaves one dead in Tennessee, United States, August 21, 2008
 * 16) United States and Iraq finalize agreement to have troops out of Iraq by 2011, August 22, 2008
 * 17) Olympic highlights: August 23, 2008, August 23, 2008

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Six year old girl and five others killed, Hamas arrests 200 Palestinians

July 26, 2008

Following a series of explosions in Gaza, killing five Palestinians including a six year old girl, the ruling party Hamas arrested 200 Palestinians, citing it as "only the beginning". Many of the arrested are affiliated with the Islamist movement's Fatah rivals who denies responsibility for the events. The detainees were transferred to a prison previously used by the Palestinian Authority and colloquially known as the "Guantanamo of Gaza", after the controversial United States detention center.

On Friday, a bomb exploded at a junction in the strip, killing five Hamas operatives along with a six year old girl. Another 15 bystanders were wounded. Hamas movement's armed wing, Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades told reporters that it was unknown who attacked the car on Gaza coastal road, adding that all of the passengers, including five Hamas militants, were killed. While the exact circumstances are still unclear, it is believed that the explosion was not a result of an unexpected eruption of explosives carried by the group. Hamas would not blame the rival Fatah faction directly for the incident but implied its involvement, issuing a statement blaming "members of the fugitive party".

A third of its kind attack in a single day, it was an upgrade in the internal violence flare-ups. Earlier on Friday morning, a Palestinian was killed during an attack on a Gaza City coffee shop while a house of a Hamas parliament member had another bomb hurled at it.

The Gaza Strip has been under the control of the Islamist Hamas movement since June 2007, when it seized full control from Fatah, routing the security forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a week of deadly infighting.


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US Senate passes housing aid bill

July 26, 2008

A Saturday, July 26th, meeting of the United States Senate resulted in the passing of a $300 billion housing aid bill designed to help homeowners facing foreclosure by providing financial aid. In addition, the bill created a government emergency fund for mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The legislation is expected to benefit up to 400,000 homeowners. The Congressional Budget Office said that between now and December 31, 2009, that if any bailout for the companies was needed, they expected it to be less than $25 billion.

The House on July 23th, passed the bill with a final vote of 272 in favor and 152 against. The final vote in the Senate was 72 in favor and 13 against. President Bush had initial woes about the bill based upon a $3.9 billion part of the legislation allowing for repurchase and improvement of foreclosed homes by the stricken neighborhoods.

The Bush Administration believed that this could be a potential problem, because it created a incentive for mortgage companies to foreclose homes. Bush has since changed his mind on the matter and is expected to sign the bill in the near future.

The bill has been considered one of the most important pieces of housing legislation in years. Senator of Connecticut said that "this bill is going to make a difference almost immediately." Despite the bill's overwhelming support, it has had its dissidents. "We are pretending to chain a monster here and we are, instead, letting that monster loose," said Arizona Representative. Originally a supporter of the bill, Senator of Iowa has changed his opinion because of the addition of the emergency fund for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. "This bill has fallen prey to the special interests on Wall Street and K Street at an unjustifiable expense to taxpayers and homeowners on Main Street," said Grassley.

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Comments:Obama's private prayer published in Israeli newspaper

that seminary student should be stoned until he is dead. not really. -Imind (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm an Obama supporter, but I call bullshit on this. He hasn't commented? I think something as personal as this would have elicited some manner of response. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a purposeful leak. -Thrawn


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Recruitment and Retention
As I had stated before I wholeheartedly agree that both of these, equally, are key issues and very important - and will help make the other proposal easier to work with if we can address this somehow. Cirt (talk) 17:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Draft promotional material
This might be something that if people from Wikinews are not necessarily interested in being very active in themselves, we could get ideas from here and then perhaps help from others from another project to help with drafting the materials. Cirt (talk) 17:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's be realistic. Nobody is going to write the copy for us, we have to do that ourselves. We might can recruit some Commoners to help with the graphic design and layout, but the actual text on the poster has to come from Wikinewsies. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what I was thinking actually, especially with regard to perhaps getting some help from folks at Wikimedia Commons. Cirt (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good
I think it looks good so far. We need all this and if WMF is willing to help, then we really need to sit back and take a serious look at this. We need to understand that regardless of the whole free news concept, we are a news agency. We have needs that have to be met in order for us to do our jobs. They are not massive things or stuff that we have to learn to do. If we, as I see it we have a small community but there are enough people here, I see no reason why we cannt start to change the things we do. We are a Wiki of the WMF yes, but our first and foremost goal is NEWS...period. And right now, we lack in that department because we don't have all the things we need to accomplish writing our own work. We need this stuff. So try and make an effort to make it happen. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Has this been sent off yet? Thunderhead 08:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, the draft section is blank - there is nothing to send, just all the talking points. Plus we've worked through some of these items already (eg DPL and FlaggedRevs). --Brian McNeil / talk 09:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Code of Ethics
Very good point, and I think getting outside help with this would be a great idea. Cirt (talk) 17:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Prior to requesting the WMF commission a code of ethics we need to discuss and work out what are realistic constraints imposed by the way a wiki works. We are all volunteers, and nobody can be made to carry out a specific task. We need a clear and unambiguous set of points - which may be our weaknesses - fed into the group drafting the CoE. What everyone has to bear in mind is that one of the key points that will be focussed on is our obligations to our readers. This takes a back seat in our current CoE draft but will become far, far more prominent in a professionally drafted version. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently at Code of Ethics, maybe we should have some sort of proposals/revamp/draft as a subpage off of that. Cirt (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What I'm more concerned about seeing drafted is a list of special considerations and constraints that would need fed into any think-tank doing a more professional draft for us. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That is actually pretty exciting if we could get that kind of help. Still, we should have a place to draft it. Cirt (talk) 20:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The offer on the table, from Sue, is for the WMF to fund some media think-tank producing a professional draft of a CoE for the project. This would draw heavily from the publicly available codes of major public-service broadcasters such as CBC, BBC, and VOA. As was highlighted in our meeting, a code of ethics for Wikipedia is pretty straightforward, no copyright violation and no libel is it in a nutshell. For a news service the document needs to be a lot more sophisticated and nuanced. There are times when we are going to say nasty things about people, our obligation is to make sure we have taken reasonable steps to ensure such statements are accurate and backed with evidence. All these seemingly separate strands are interconnected; my focus on the workflow was intended to provide an underpinning from which a number of these points could progress. On the technical side Flagged Revisions allows enforcement of the workflow, and the existence of the workflow allows clear delineation of roles and the obligations associated with them as part of a code of ethics. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Things we want the foundation to do on this list are either done or need wikinews comunity involvement
In this, theres a list of stuff we want the foundation to do. Most of this is [in my opinion] stuff we need to at least start do ourselves: The points on DPL, RSS, FlaggedRevs are done. The embargoed proposal is not going anywhere as it cannot gain concensuss. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Code of ethics — This is something that foundation could help with, although ultimately it is the community's responsibility
 * Mobile - Stage one (read-only) is a bot approval (which failed as no one voted) and a bug request away. While having more then read-only support would probably be useful, I don't think its reasonable to ask the foundation to help with this, when there doesn't seem to be enough interest in the community to get read only off the ground.


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Talk:Six year old girl and five others killed, Hamas arrests 200 Palestinians

Question, does this source here also by Ynet, but in English say roughly the same thing? If it is the case it shouldn't it be used because it has the advantage of being easier to fact check. The Mind's Eye (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There's some similarity, but there's obvious differences as well. The Hebrew article focuses more on the arrests of Fatah members, starting with 120 when I first saw it and moving to 160 by the time I finished writing the page up -- and now it's listing 200 arrested Palesitnians. The English version doesn't even mention the arrests. English version also gives out a slightly different version on the events so I would personally avoid it being that it was published early in the morning -- 07:53am -- compared with the Hebrew page which was updated sometime within the last hour or so (i.e. between 21:00-22:00). 77.127.253.51 19:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Title name
Well of course I agree 200 is a very large number but consider that it may change to 220. Perhaps it will decrease to 150. I think adding numbers is to volatile. The Mind's Eye (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * We can correct it if it changes - the large news outlets do it all the time. The fact that the majority are claimed to be Fatah affiliated is a non issue played up by political interests. The only reason the story is notable is volume and we should stick to that. 77.127.253.51 22:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What about this article Palestinian teenager killed in Israeli airstrike 8 killed, Palestinians arrested in West Bank raids made the news and only ten captured, Israeli attacks in Gaza kill 17. Just a few examples of small numbers of people and yet they are considered notable. Plus if we keep making changes it will lead to many redirects and double redirects. Finally even if we go back to 200, the article title needs to be changed to and five others because the article says that. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 17 is actually a high number for casualties in Israel or Palestinian controlled areas *and 200 is a large number for detainees). That is why the number was specifically noted in the article title in contrast with the others when it is downplayed. The story changed as it was being written from 120 to 200. Things may change tomorrow, but the news today were "200 Palestinians arrested by Palestinian group". The title you've suggested make the story completely uninteresting/unimportant/regular, non "news" event among the repetitive world of minor clashes between Hamas and Fatah. The only reason this story is "front-page news" rather than some boring side note in page 21 is the volume. 77.127.253.51 00:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Touche, but the article should be changed six year old girl and five others. The Mind's Eye (talk) 01:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the reports say 5 Hamas militants and the girl died as a result of the car bombing close to the beach, and another as a passer by at the cafe bombing. I went through quite a dilemma on that one and decided the most repeated and probably most correct version. This is supported by the fairly new Reuters article - "Three Hamas members and the girl were killed immediately. Two more Hamas activists died of injuries Saturday" - anyways, if you really want to take down the number of casualties from the explosion by one, I don't mind since I don't see it as the main story. Please feel free to change the article title to the one you are accepting (with the number 200 in it, I hope). 77.127.253.51 04:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


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If an article is finished, then publish it. Why wait? -Edbrown05 08:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

 * This article went down to the finished template, Baseball's Detroit Tigers win ALCS. Finished is like purgatory. Maybe worse than that, it's Baseball's hell. Detroit wins, and the article is too "laudative" to one Wikinews editor critic. What do you want? A hot dog too? Or a report...

 * The message is, go elsewhere for a report, because you won't find it here. Baseball's Detroit Tigers win ALCS is too "Finished". (I'm getting mad again) -Edbrown05 08:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:US Senate passes housing aid bill

This assumes there is either only one Senate or everyone knows it refers to the U.S. Senate. That should be explicitly enunciated in both the title and article body. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed and fixed. Small detail, but also should have been noticed before publishing. Good eye brian :-} DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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Puffin numbers are falling on UK's Farne Islands

July 28, 2008 Puffin numbers are declining on the Farne Islands, where the United Kingdom's largest colony resides. During the past five years, the puffin population on the islands has decreased by a third. Experts had expected numbers to rise this year, but now with news of the decline, are citing an inability to find food as the probable cause.

Numbers of puffins have also been declining on the Isle of May, 100 miles north. Professor Mike Harris, Emeritus Research Fellow at the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, said that the birds spend eight months at sea, and some do not return, which may be the cause of the lowering population.

Puffins, like many auks, feed on fish and zooplankton. It is not known if man-made causes, such as over-fishing or climate change, have lowered the amount of food available to puffins, causing them to starve while at sea.

"Whether it is climate change or man-induced we just don't know but I suspect the cause is oceanographic and it has resulted in the birds being unable to find enough to eat," said Professor Harris.


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Too short?
Is there a suitable sort of length for articles? Mine so far have been pretty short, mainly because I'm not much of a writer. I've basically summed up the main points of the "event", which makes it short, but lacks a lot of substance to it. Majorly (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well with this particular article if you want to you could include a little background info on the Puffin itself, and also on what it eats. Cirt (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea, especially with what it eats... Majorly (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Location
I don't see the point of the move. The numbers are falling everywhere. Majorly (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * All studies in this are UK studies. The new one about Farne Islands and the older ones about May Island. Puffin live in a much wider Atlantic region, you will have to bring in more studies of populations elsewhere. --SVTCobra 12:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Amy Winehouse wax model unveiled

Why are people trying to immortalize her? If it wasn't for her voice she'd be like any gutter trash on the street. Mike Halterman (talk) 03:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And if you read a variety of other recent sources mentioning her you will discover that she likely has lung and throat damage that may kill off her ability to sing. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

God help us
God help us! Now there's two of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.249.171 (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


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Over 100 people protest exclusion of gender identity protection in ENDA outside HRC dinner

July 29, 2008 More than 100 protesters gathered Saturday in San Francisco to object to the Human Rights Campaign's (HRC) stance on gender identity.

The protesters picketed the HRC's annual fundraising dinner to protest the organization's efforts to remove gender identity protections from legislation that would add sexual orientation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).

The group was clad in a variety of outfits, ranging from street clothing to drag to camp gear; some wore make-up or fake moustaches. Cross-dressers, gays, lesbians, transgender and gender inspecific individuals were in attendance. The group claimed a unified purpose: to express feeling betrayed by the HRC's action, a move the protesters argued is opposed by over 350 local, statewide and national LGBT advocacy organizations.

The event quickly developed into more than ordinary civil disobedience. The "Left OUT Party: A Genderfal Gay-la" elicited a festive mode among individuals who oscillated between roles of protester and entertainer. At times, it was difficult to determine one from the other.

"Some may say that incrementalism is a smart and sound political strategy, but we don’t think that throwing the transgender community under the bus in the name of incrementalism [is] really what the LGBT community is all about," explained Left OUT organizer Hunter Hargrave.

Some HRC dinner invitees smiled in acknowledgment of the protest, which handed out fliers supporting a united position on the ENDA and encouraging invitees of the $300 event to partake in the picketing.

The counter-party was organized by a coalition of queer progressive organizations, including Pride at Work, And Castro for All, the Harvey Milk LGBT Democratic Club, the Trans March, the SF Labor Council, the Queer Youth Organizing Project and the Lou Sullivan Society/FTM International. Protesters were treated to speeches by San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera, who was honored by the Left OUT party as a local hero for his work in ending the ban on same-sex marriage in the California Courts, as well as City Supervisor Tom Ammiano.

Mila Ponder, host of transition issues podcast Trans-Ponder.com, said she found out about the event at San Francisco's annual Gay Pride weekend in June, where supporters were handing out flyers. Other attendees had learned about the event through word-of-mouth or networking sites like Facebook.

In addition to Herrera, other honors were presented. "2008 Human Rights Heroes" included State Assemblyman Mark Leno, Police Commission President Theresa Sparks, National Center for Lesbian Rights Legal Director Shannon Miller, San Francisco Supervisor Bevan Duffy and San Francisco Labor Council Executive Director Tim Paulson.


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Talk:Over 100 people protest exclusion of gender identity protection in ENDA outside HRC dinner

Began to develop story from press package as well as the following media, I had taken on site:

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Cary Bass (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

 * What the heck is a "Gender Inspecific Individual"?

Could someone either remove that term if it is meaningless or link to a wikipedia article that explains it if it has some special meaning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.9.90 (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Added link to wikipedia article on Androgyny Michael614 (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


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EU maintains ban on Indonesian airlines amid accusations of political motivation

July 27, 2008

The European Union has maintained its ban on all 51 of Indonesia's airlines on the grounds of safety concerns. The Indonesian foreign ministry, which had earlier believed its plan to "fast-track" safety improvements for three airlines would see them back in the EU by July's end, suggested that the ban may have political overtones.

Indonesia had implemented a program to bring state-owned flag carrier Garuda Indonesia up to EU standards, as well as private rivals Mandala Airlines and Airfast. This received a boost in May when Garuda passed a safety audit by the International Air Transport Association.

"Indonesian authorities have still not developed and implemented an efficient oversight program on any of the carriers under their regulatory control," said the EU's Air Safety Committee upon rejection of the three airlines' request for permission to return to the EU. It was added that Indonesia had no effective oversight program and that the International Civil Aviation Organisation had been unable to assess recent changes.

The committee also noted that inspectors did not have the power to ground substandard aircraft and urged Indonesia to increase inspections themselves. A report from the Indonesian director-general of civil aviation said that, between January and April, Garuda performed just nine of 56 mandatory surveys, while Mandala conducted only two out of 27.

The committee acknowledged some improvement by the three airlines, but was unanimous in rejecting their request to have the ban lifted.

Teuku Faizasyah, spokesman for the Indonesian foreign ministry, expressed disappointment at the result and questioned the reasoning behind it. "We are disappointed with the prolonging of the ban. We've done some improvements so we do hope that those actions taken could be considered," he told reporters. "The way we see it, the EU always puts their actions (in terms of) technicality issues. But we question if there are political motivations behind the decision."

The ban was implemented in 2007 following deregulation in the 1990s that triggered a string of aviation accidents. On New Year's Day 2007, 102 people were killed when an Adam Air Boeing 737 crashed into the ocean near Sulawesi. This was followed in March by a Garuda 737 overshooting the runway at Yogyakarta Internataional Airport with 21 fatalities.

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Qantas ordered to check oxygen cylinders

July 27, 2008

announced that an oxygen cylinder which was located near the area of the explosion on Qantas flight QF30 from London, England to Melbourne, Australia was unaccounted for but said that it was too early to say that an could be the cause of the mid-air explosion. It did say it had ruled out explosives as a cause stating that they "found no indication of explosives".

The has ordered Qantas to check all oxygen cylinders and the brackets which hold them on its, but hasn't ruled out that the order will be extended to all of the Qantas fleet.


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Youssef Chahine, Egyptian film director dies at 82

July 27, 2008

Youssef Chahine, the Egyptian film director has died aged 82. He died from a cerebral hemorrhage in the early hours of the morning.

Born in 1926, Chahine was credited with launching the career of actor Omar Sharif. He had been active in the Egyptian film industry for over 50 years.

He directed over 25 films throughout his career. In 1997 he was given a lifetime achievement award at the Cannes Film Festival.

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If these problems were found in, lets say, Airbus planes, Airbus wouldn't exist anymore... But it's Boeing, it's OK...

Boeing's crappy planes are falling apart, giving reason to the complaints of their former employees, when they stated that there were worrying manufacturing errors.


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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:Peti610