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Wikinews talk:Blocking policy/Archive 1

Part that should be removed
The following line is not only vague, but gives admins unlimitted power to block whoever they can claim are "trouble-makers" or are "not contributing to our goals". This allows for blocking abuse.
 * Are trouble-makers who are not contributing to our goals.

I'm removing this. Raise objections if you have them. --MateoP 18:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I've restored this section, though I feel it is unnecessarily broad. Do you have a suggested text which would indicate trolls, abusive users, and persons who do not contribute content yet who engage in endless arguments are disruptive and may be blocked (progressively) for acting to disrupt the community? -  Amgine | talk en.WN ~

 * Trolls is a subjective term that could lead to abuse. If we can identify specific actions (such as vandalism, sock puppeting, etc.) then the problem of abuse will be avoided.  I don't feel that users who engage in arguments should be blocked.  As long as the argumentation is not abusive in form, then it is fine.  --MateoP 01:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Sock puppeting is not always a problem. The use of a sock puppet in voting, or discussions, to artifically influence a decision is a problem, but using a sock puppet as a pseudonym - especially to prevent undue influence in an article's development - is not.

 * On the other hand, aggressive arguments which hurt the colleaguiality of the community are a major problem. They have long-term affects on the ability of memebers to collaborate, and without extremely good justification in the eyes of the community should result in a block. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 01:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * there are some inconsistencies & problems with this discussion.
 * vandalism & sock-puppetting for "nefarious" purposes invite blocks based on breaking policy, even without this troublemakers rule. sock-puppetting for "non-nefarious" purposes (arguably) has its uses, and on wikipedia, consensus was not to disallow it outright (my guess is, on other wiki projects too.) i don't see a compelling reason to change this in wikinews.
 * "aggressive arguments which hurt the colleaguiality of the community " might or might not be "a major problem" (wikipedia has loads of the former, but has it been the latter there?, if not, why is it such a big problem here?). further, this is an extremely subjective determination, the idea of an admin being able to block a user for "aggressively arguing" with him/her has no place in a wiki. there are many things that "have long-term affects on the ability of memebers to collaborate", for instance, tag&dash, will that too be made a blockable offence?
 * wikiquette, and the no personal attacks policy has plenty of ways to take care of abusive editors, including, in extreme cases, blocking.
 * further, there is already scope for blocking disruptive editors which has some safeguards against abuse of that power.
 * imo, there is no need for a further "block trouble-makers, abusive editors, argumentative no-contributors, scum, vermin and devil-worshippers" rule. the trouble-makers line should be removed, and blocks should be used only for the other listed violations of policy.
 * Doldrums 09:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I've reverted your non-consensus removal, Doldrums, because I feel we need to be clear that disruptive behavior is blockable. I've expressed, above, a request for an alternative wording because I feel the current wording is not clear.

 * Furthermore, established policy is to be edited after consensus is gained on a talk page for a change, rather than the reverse. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 07:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * don't agree that the rule is established policy, it appears to have been added without discussion, much less consensus, and has remained contested since then. so, while the discussion on what the rule should look like take place, i'll be removing the current non-consensual & problematic form, lest it be inadvertantly "used" before being adopted by consensus.

 * further note that the blocking for disruption guidelines remain intact in the policy. Doldrums 07:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The sentence you are deleting is a summary of the disruption section of this policy. Please develop an alternative summary of this section. Please do not remove this summary without consensus. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Please gain consensus *before* editing the policy. Your suggested change to the policy is:
 * Disrupt the normal functioning of wikinews.'
 * I personally have no problem with this text. Let's get some additional input, and in a day or two this might be ready to be put into the policy. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * i'm not seeing a uniform application of the guideline to submit policy changes for review before making them. i find this practise questionable.

 * i should also point out that ur revert has left behind a "unconsensus-ed" rule behind. i request you to move all candidates formulations for the new rule, viz, "disruption" "troublesome editors" and "admin discretion" to talk page for review. Doldrums 08:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I moved back to the one which had been in place for many months. I agree that policy has, at times in the past, been edited directly and this has led to problems such as the one you are addressing. I will also move Opalus's edit here in a moment. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * i don't think the troublemakers rule has been in place for months. it appears to have been added without discussion/consensus on Jan 2, 2006 and and has remained in contention from about 15 minutes later.

 * i have not found a similar rule in the wikipedia, wikiquote, wikibooks and wiktionary to support the contention that "This is the policy on most Wiki sites, but was not brought to Wikinews.". can amgine please specify exactly on which wiki sites this is policy and why he believes that this formulations should be treated differently (viz, kept in place without consensus) from other suggested formulations. Doldrums 09:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Apologies, attempt was only to reword the "trouble maker" phrase into more formal language based on what seemed its implicit assumptions, that disruption classified violation as trouble and that identification of disruption was in summary effectively according to the particular administrator's judgment formed based on community consensus judgments decided before and under potential of arbitration committee review with each user if there is evidence of improper classification, as in classification opposed to the conventions decided on by community consensus. Is this not the meaning of the former phrase used? Is there perhaps a more precise method to phrase the sentiment that the "trouble maker" rule embodies while providing some procedure for both its application against minor complaints and limitation to prevent abuse in cases where it might be? Opalus 09:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think any particular apology is needed, except from me to Doldrums in that I didn't see your edit had slipped in there. I understand what you intended, and there is indeed a previous discussion about exactly what you covered in your text (see below.) -  Amgine | talk en.WN 09:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

To help solve this problem, here is a list of specific actions that should result in blocks. Please add to this list so that it can be used as a guide in rewriting parts of the policy. Try to keep comments to the above section so this area isn't cluttered.

 * Sock-puppetry
 * Vandalism
 * Personal attacks
 * Excessive pushing of POV
 * Inappropraite username

blocking at admin discetion
a new blocking rule has been suggested and i've moved it to talk page for discussion. the rule, i think, has far-reaching implications, will require changes in other policies, and so should be thoroughly discusses before addition, as suggested by amgine above. At the judgment of individual administrators subject to community conventions and review some queries about the rule.
 * what does this rule accomplish that cannot be done by the existing rules of blocking for vandalism, policy violation, and disruption?
 * if blocks applied under this rule do not meet subsequent community consensus, will the admin be sanctioned? in what way?

 * This rule codifies an element of the WP blocking policy which was not brought to Wikinews. I was then, and remain, ambivalent about "blocking without basis in policy." I would not fight it this time if the community chooses to add it.

 * I believe the the last half of this element is redundant, but may be a useful reminder in a summary. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Progressive blocks
I made a couple of edits to the policy, which I'd be happy to discuss here if there's no agreement on them. Basically, based on the recent wheel wars, my observation is that it may be necessary to have clearer guidelines on what block lengths are appropriate, so I have proposed a simple model of progressive block ranges.

I would like to invite opinions on another possible change: Do we really want a blocked admin to still be allowed, by policy, to use their admin controls? It seems to me that when you are blocked, you are blocked; that the software still allows admins to push a few buttons does not mean that admins should really be allowed to continue blocking users, deleting pages, etc., when they are blocked. Given that the majority of active users on Wikinews are admins, this issue is quite relevant to us. I would suggest to make it clear that when you are blocked, you are expected to do nothing except maybe edit your own talk page or get in touch with other users (e-mail, mailing list, IRC, etc.) about the block.

I don't think it helps us if admins keep "punishing" each other even after they are blocked.--Eloquence 01:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with the changes, but wonder how an admin would know if how many past infractions a particular user may have. It may simply be to err on the side of caution and ignorance, meaning if an admin does not know of any other infractions, then a block time would be the length of the first infraction. I suppose another admin who knew and could show past infractions would then do so and raise the block length appropriately.

 * I also agree that being a blocked admin should exclude all admin activity unless there's a very clear reason given for doing so. It's probably easier to get another admin to respond than to repond while blocked and then be questioned for responding. These blocks have distracted me a bit from my usual focus on Wikinews. Karen 02:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with the blocked shalt not be deleting and blocking people. The scale thing I like. However for a first offense I find 24 hours long. Should we be keeping track of blocks of people who aare likely to do it again on WN:ALERT? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 04:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe there is still some admin discretion -- "up to" 24 hours... --Chiacomo (talk) 04:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Right, that was an oversight on my part - Deprifry added the required "up to".--Eloquence 12:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I've tried to clarify the infraction count part (apologies for forgetting an edit summary).--Eloquence 12:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted the changes made to the policy by a bold admin as I feel they were implemented without community discussion as well as being instruction creep. Furthermore, the changes remove flexibility from an admin's ability to respond to circumstances. Common sense grounded in day to day experiences on the site, rather than more rules to be interpreted/misinterpreted, should guide the use of blocking privileges. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 20:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

 * There was discussion and general support for the changes, see above. For you to decide one month later that there wasn't enough discussion is disingenuous at best. When a wiki has many admins as Wikinews does, allowing too much flexibility in admin actions means constant disagreement about whether a particular admin action was justified, ergo constant wheel wars (which was the whole motivation for the change to the blocking policy). Imagine a country that legalizes marijuana "in small amounts", while leaving it up to the cops to decide what "small amounts" are. Not imagine that each cop knows exactly what all the other cops are doing. Do you think there would be disagreements and public complaints about arbitrary enforcement? I think so. This is exactly the situation we're in.

 * Do others agree that the policy change should be restored?--Eloquence 22:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry you disagree with the revert. I was unable to reply for 2 weeks, as you were aware. The number of active admins is actually quite low on Wikinews. The number of wheel wars I am aware of are a total of 3, in a year and a half; a rather small quantity I'm sure you'll agree. As for your example, I live in a country which has exactly that policy in practice. Seems to be a rather stable place.

 * Now, in the month the policy change *was* in place, it was not followed in the majority of blocking events it covered. Policy is the codification of what is working on the site; it appears we're continuing to produce news despite ignoring this policy change. Give me a reason it should be restored? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "it was not followed in the majority of blocking events it covered." This is true. The policy is difficult to follow because, as noted by Karen, the blocking admin often doesn't know how many past blocks have been imposed. The only way to get around this is to keep a "Police record" type page for problem users, however this would, in my opinion, violate the principle of forgive and forget. It could be argued that the entire practise of progressively lengthening blocks is in conflict with this principle. I've not the slightest idea how to resolve this conflict. - Borofkin 23:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * special:log/block seems like a great police record to me (they do have police records sort of on 'pedia with the subpages of Vandalism in progress for WoW and like). I personally think that you should forgive and forget, but If a user is getting repeatedly blocked, especially over a relativly short time. (Yes I do notice when people get blocked repeatedly. For example, both mrm and neutralizer have been blocked in the last while quite a bit. These things rn't hard to miss), the length should be increased. As when people are blocked and do it again, they 1) know that they did something bad (or something someone considers bad) (thus the you can not edit part of the block) 2) the first block didn't work (they did it again). Therefor the block should be longer or an alternate solution to the issue should be sought. If someone did it about 6 months ago once, and did it again, then you forgive and forget IMO. therefor I support progressivly longer blocks, but nothing set in stone, just vauge guidelines. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've added a brief note about progressive blocks now without any specific guidelines. I've also restored some other bits that were not contested above. Amgine, regarding my marijuana metaphor, my key point is that administrators constantly review what they are doing, so highly different standards tend to not work out very well. We have a "small quantities" possession rule in Germany as well, which is enforced differently regionally. If the policework was as unified, transparent and centralized as Wikinews admin work is, I predict this model would lead to problems and complaints, very similar to our "wheel wars". And I do not agree that three wheel wars are few, I think that's quite a lot for a relatively small site. Nevertheless, if the progressive model was too complex, we should of course try to adopt one which admins are more comfortable working with.--Eloquence 01:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Changing this policy
IMO, changes should not be considered as permenant until the community can agree on this policy. Please. Jason Safoutin 11:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course! Please help in directing more people towards this discussion.--Eloquence 12:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * WN:3RR policy states blocks for up to 24 hours, what is listed here on blocking policy is inconsistent with that. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks and blocking
I raised this on Water_cooler/policy, but it is possibly more appropriate for this page. In my opinion when a user violates policy, blocking should be used only as a last resort (with a couple of exceptions, such as 3RR). This includes personal attacks. If a user makes a personal attack, it should be patiently explained on their talk page why the edit was considered a personal attack, and why personal attacks are not acceptable. If the attacks continue, they should be warned that repeated personal attacks may result in a block, and if the user continues making personal attacks, then they should be blocked, as a last resort. Evidence of attempts to educate the user, and warn them, should be provided along with the block.

I'm interested to know what the rest of the community thinks of this approach. - Borofkin 02:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with Borofkin. The blocking protocol now is heavily bent over for the abuse of arrogant admins who throw out big blocks to selective non-admins and then jump in to rescue each other from any kind of blocks at all. The current practice truly does resemble an old-fashioned and distasteful "good old boys" club from the 50's. It's kind of a perverted sideshow for an otherwise progressive project like Wikinews and I am quite astounded that young reporters have allowed such an obvious systemic injustice to slop around on this project's floor like a 500 pound slug. Neutralizer 02:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Borofkin, but also believe that if someone is blocked for personal attacks that the block should be double that of anything else. Personal attacks harm the community and drive people away - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 23:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

"Controversial" ?
Has the page listed at the bottom (Controversial blocks) ever existed? 68.39.174.238 23:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

the newbie change
if u believe that ur blocking does not come under the existing policy, u're free to discuss changes to the blocking policy. the change u've made, apparently with no discussion at all (certainly, i've not seen anybody agree that a change to BP, and this change in particular, is needed). the way this addition is currently worded sounded more like sour grapes to me than anything else. fwiw, i don't think this change is needed, if users are uncivil to newcomers making good faith edits without sufficient reason, and when they shld've known better, they can be blocked if required, under the disruption heading. this change, i say again, is not needed. — Doldrums(talk) 11:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What makes you consider a 15-month-old user a newcomer? I reiterate, I'm newer to Wikinews than he is. Violating WN:E, wikistalking and failing to make any valuable contributions to Wikinews are perfect examples of trolling. The reason given for my block was "biting newbie", not "disruption". So, either the block reason or the blocking policy must be changed for the block to be valid. Also, policy states that "efforts to educate" must be made before the block is imposed-where exactly was I informed of this user being a "newbie"? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 11:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * are u discussing the change to blocking policy or the reason for ur block? i have told u above that this change is not needed to explain the block u received. if u wish to discuss that block, take it to DR. if u have a reason for making this change, listing it here. (and take the change off the policy change till it finds some support). ur argument that BN was the reason listed on the edit summary, therefore it shld be in blocking policy is thin, i've blocked users with the edit-summary "v". u don't see "v" listed in the policy, do u? admins cannot give a 3 paragraph explanation for a block, they resort to shortcut explanation. if u want a clearer explanation for the block, or want to contest it, do so. don't change blocking policy as an alternative. that wld be dispurting wikinews to make a point. u have been here as an admin for several months now, i think, if u still need to be informed of 3RRs u violate, admin tool policies u violate, and how to check whether a user is a newbie, then u shld reconsider ur adminship. again, are u arguing over ur block (which u shld in DR) or explaining the reasons for ur change to the policy here?  — Doldrums(talk) 12:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I repeat, year-old users are NOT newbies, except perhaps in your own view. You accuse me of violating Admin policies, while openly admitting that you block users for "v" (I am familiar with your SMS lingo) -how is a newcomer supposed to figure out what that means?. It was explained to me on WN:ALERT that the block was justified, the reason provided for the block was "biting newbie"-hence "biting newbies" must be made a blockable offence per WN:BP. Unless the rules are different for me? Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 12:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * if u want to discuss ur block, take it to DR. if u want to make a change to BP, explain why it is needed. "it was the edit summary for my block" is not a good enough reason. — Doldrums(talk) 12:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not upto you to decide whether or not WN:BP should be changed. "Biting newbie" was the reason given for my block, hence WN:BP must be changed, unless a satisfactory reason is provided for not doing so. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 12:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * that's what i thought, and that's why i called it POINT. and that's why i ask you to revert the changes to the policy, and discuss it instead. — Doldrums(talk) 12:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what all this talk of WN:POINT is about. The recent events have revealed that blocks must be enforced on users who bite "newbies". They were an eye-opener for the community. Why not make it official? Singling out users and blocking them without the support of policy reflects badly on the project. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 12:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC) if u think that recent events have pointed out a hole in the policy. pls bring it to the notice of the community, see what they have to say about it, and then make suitable changes to the policy. right now, the change is not worded like a change in policy, but like a complaint over what happened to u. — Doldrums(talk) 12:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I brought the issue up at WN:ALERT, and the community (including you) agreed that the block was justified. If the block was justified, the reason must also be justified. Hence, "biting newbies" becomes a blockable offence. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) [[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|25px]] 12:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * here're are some things in the Alert discussion u didn't consider. the cool down rationale for ur block, Brian's comment about ur previous behaviour. not everyone who bites a newbie is likely to be blocked, but someone who repeatedly has problems with newcomers over pov issues and then goes on to do what u did, issue a unwarranted vandal warning, called the user a troll and then repeatedly removed substantive comments, not PAs, from ur talk page, and went on to protect ur talk page just to prevent the user from holding a valid discussion with u over ur edits, is. no i don't know what a run-on sentence is. — Doldrums(talk) 13:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

"Biting newbies" was the reason provided for my block. If the block is valid, the reason is also valid. I say again, year old users are not newbies, users who make 20 edits to this project and then get involved in disputes are trolls and I have the right to not talk to trolls who annoy me. Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 13:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Florentino Floro

Welcome to my User talk page.

Me on Wikinews and other projects:

 * I am Philippines Judge Florentino Floro. I registered with Wikinews on or around December 3, 2008. I am a Editor as of January 12, 2009.

 * I am virtually present in Jimbo Wales' 2001 founded seach engine Wikia - "judge florentino floro" - Wikia (originally Wikicities) is a selective free web hosting service for wikis (or wiki farm) operated by Wikia, Inc., a for-profit Delaware company founded in late 2004. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to start wiki-based search engine.

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Here is a list of some of the articles I've done. I did most of the writing for some of these, but others were highly collaborative. Those listed are ones where I've started them and done a reasonable amount of the work. I do not list work on articles started by others unless all their contributions were removed. The list has not been consistently maintained, thus some articles may be missing.

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Welcome
--Brian McNeil / talk 12:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks and can you help me go on, by adoption? Regards.--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikinews doesn't really have a mentoring or adoption program, but I'd be happy to take a look at anything you try to contribute.
 * To some extent we do suffer the same issue as Wikipedia regarding begin sourced by third parties. Most of our content is synthesis articles derived by taking several other wire reports on a story and writing our own article which is hopefully more comprehensive. However, we do allow original research, but it is best to build a reputation for good articles before digging too deeply into this. For legal stuff there's a couple of us have accounts on the US courts' PACER system to dig up details when reporting. One other area of original reporting that might interest you is doing interviews.
 * Please don't report on yourself or your predictions. Many Wikinewsies are confirmed sceptics and you will find yourself in conflict if you do. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, Sir. I never ever reported in Wikipedia English my predictions, since I contributed mostly on legal articles and Philippine related topics. If you have time, please view my first article here. BTW, in Wikipedia English, I heavily contributed to Thailand encyclopedic unfolding events. Thanks.--Florentino Floro (talk) 08:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've put some comments on the talk page of your article and renamed it to match the style guide. Numbers of 20 or less are spelled out. When it comes time to review it what may be problematic is having so many sources for a relatively short article. The reviewer has to read them all, so if there's any that duplicate information in others trim to whichever you consider the more authoritative. I also think the explanation of the street naming convention needs to go as it makes it difficult to read. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, sir. Thanks for the help. I hope that with the community collaboration, I will learn how to write well and I intend to write more top/most interesting news articles. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Please don't add the publish tag yourself, all articles must be independently reviewed. They will not appear on the front page until a peer review has been carried out and the article flagged as okay. Your first article requires some attention having failed a review on the style guidelines. There are comments on its collaboration page to help you bring it up to scratch. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your guidance, and sorry of the mistake. At least I had my first article published and updated by recent events. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hello! Kamusta ka? Welcome to the English Wikinews. Mayroon ba kayo gamitin ang Wikipedia sa Tagalog? Mike Halterman (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sad to say that I could hardly contribute to Tagalog Wikipedia, even if my own Filipino dialect is Tagalog. It is so difficult to compose. Regards.--Florentino Floro (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Copyright
Please take care not to use the exact words or even the same general phrasing as your sources. This is how it appeared before I changed it:

 * Article: "The Northern Samar police provincial office has also formed "Task Force Mila" to investigate the killing as two local politicians offered a P100,000 bounty for any information leading to the capture of the suspects."
 * Source: "The police provincial office has formed a task force to handle the investigation of the murder as two local politicians raised a P100,000 reward for any information leading to the capture of the killers."

The phrasing isn't exactly the same, but it is too close for comfort.

Anyway, thanks for your effort in writing this article:). It was published today. Gopher65talk 02:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for you visit and concern. In my stint in Wikipedia English from July 2007 to November 22, 2008 (when I lost the battle against my very own co-Filipino-co-Ateneo de Manila editor-administrator, re: posting personal info on IP address, Mumbai, and other personal grievances unrelated to Wiki editing), I have had practically no problem with copyright policies. It is utterly different in Wiki English. I contributed several legal articles and 6,700 edits. I could edit 20-30 contributions a day in 7 hours. But here, I spend the whole day for just one news article.
 * Well, as beginner, barely a week, here, I deeply understand the worldwide UK, USA and Wiki copyright vio rules. As lawyer/judge, I really had a hard time, comprehending the reason and spirit of these rules plus jurisprudence on this. There are jurists who say that the rule of thumb, is 5-10% of the article published can be copied or quoted for research, etc. The goal of copy vio laws is to prevent commercial or infringement crimes which destroys a publishing business. Moreover, I deeply understand that editing by using "too close for comfort" copying or rephrasing is not good news reporting.
 * My continuing predicament however, is: journalists more often, than not, monopolize the use of the best words and phrases, depriving us Wiki editors from retrieving some better words from the thesaurus. To be candid, as lawyer (4 years law education) and A.B. philosophy, I never ever had enrolled in any communication or journalism subject. I was long invited in Wiki English to register here, but I delayed since I found Wiki English to be easier. As I try to read the tons of rules and policies here, on editing, it is like a nightmare; especially, when I desire to write a legal news article like my VERY FIRST dream legal news article "Eighth Filipino journalist killed this year". (I had created my dream article Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines). ERGO, as shortcut to learn here, from scratch, I copied the style of published like articles. I hope, that since Wikinews is collaboration, you may, with deep KINDNESS, give some leeway to a poor jobless judge-lawyer, who, for sure, is trying his best to make Wikinews a better project for our learned sectors, inter alia. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're doing none too badly, so don't beat yourself up for a relatively minor criticism. It is obvious you put a good amount of effort into your contributions here. And, as you're still at it, I'm assuming you are getting a reasonable amount of satisfaction out of 'playing' here. You've been quite prolific since you first came over from Wikipedia, and most of your work goes beyond the minimum specified in the style guide as well as highlighting issues many people might miss.
 * One key point I've found since the review system came in (which I argued strongly for) is you have to keep the sources on your articles to a minimum. For my Thailand articles I may go through about 20-30 sources, but as I write a paragraph or two I will check which sources back the information and only cite them. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

 * Mea culpa. I know you would tell me this. I know I put so many sources. I am really nervous about copy vio. So, I wanted many sources to hide my newcomer groping into creating article, fearing copy vio, but at the same time, fearing a bad language, style and grammar. Like in this LA eerie massacre, I had a hard time about sources. The journalists keep on putting new facts. Like this ID thing. I put Msnb, well backed up, but ... Our Philippine Rules of Court are borrowed 70% from the Federal Rules of Service of California. Now, judicial notice is more than reliability. Courts must take notice of, and accept as evidence, newspaper reports, even tabloids. Why? Due to judicial policy; if a litigant desires to prove what James Hookway wrote in WSJ, he does not need to bring him and be cross-examined in Court. Same with Msnbc, it says white, 250 lbs., etc. And we editors must be bound by that, except when there is gross error.
 * Sometimes, I get about 10 words from a source, and I could not erase that, since an editor failed my work due to no backing. I know that readers cannot eat so many sources. And this is the beauty of Wikinews collaboration. I think I CREATE, and the reviewers would be kind enough to correct and check plus pass instead of fail, since news must be fast.
 * I want to write articles which are not only breaking, but notable, in the sense that it is not just popular but one which can be outstanding in the year. Thanks for all your help, and since there is no adoption here, I hope that you will censor my works, I appreciate corrections, I want to learn. No pain, no gain.--Florentino Floro (talk) 11:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikilinks
Hi Florentino Floro. Just to let you know that we try and limit our links to Wikipedia. We try and not link everything just because it has a page. Countries and some people should be internal links rather then links to Wikipedia. Words for the sake of being words should not be linked. Keep up the great articles. Cheers, --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 07:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the concern and suggestion. Merry Christmas.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

23 Australians arrested in global child porn network
See 23 Australians arrested in global child porn network

Please note that this article now has a substantial correction notice attached to it.

Given the circumstances, it was required that the article be corrected and the notice detail what was previously stated. This is not the normal way of dealing with things like this, but it was a serious error that could have been legally actionable. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you message. I am deeply sorry for my mistake. I reviewed the whole thing, and searched why I mixed up things. I found that:
 * (My edit) "Retired former barrister, a Newham Victorian legal figure Neil James Williams QC, aged 74, was arrested by Australian Federal Police on October 22. Charged with six counts of sex with a minor girl, one of using a carriage service provider to view child pornography and two of possession of child pornography material, he appeared in the Bendigo's Magistrates' Court of Victoria and was released on granted bail, pending court hearing on March 4."
 * "Mr Lee appeared in Sydney's Central Local Court on Thursday, where he faced two child pornography charges and six child sex charges."
 * So, I had put the Lee's sex charges upon the QCs. It's terrible especially, he is a legal figure. Don't really know why I had done this especially in a legal article. Merry Christmas!--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

barnstar

 * Thanks so much. I just have the luxury of TIME that most of you who are employed do not have. Happy Holidays.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

On Writing
Happy New Year!

I just published your article on the Bangkok blaze, after a copyedit. There's a link to that on the article talk page, some of the grammar and tense consistency was a little awkward. Anyway, here are the three sources I use for Thailand news... I always cite that last one as "Thai News Agency" for the author and MCOT for publisher. Often it is good to check where the publisher parameter in the source template lands you on Wikipedia. The one I'm always fixing is "BBC" to "BBC News Online"; that has a separate article in Wikipedia that focuses on news.bbc.co.uk.
 * http://www.bangkokpost.co.th/
 * http://www.nationmultimedia.com/
 * http://enews.mcot.net/

Anyway, I know you're not working, but I assume you are not poverty stricken. I have a reading suggestion/recommendation. Stephen King's book, "On Writing". One of his key recommendations to aspiring writers is to read as much as you write, say an hour or two for each per day. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Please give an old, 56, years old jobless judge, who has not had a single subject in journalism more TIME

 * Thanks, and first of all, Good Luck and I wish you all the best this 2009! I deeply understand that you will have a hard time dealing with some of my works due to journalism, language and style problems. Despite my more than one year in Wiki English, Wikinews is so tough and difficult. But, I do understand from the policies, that, and with all due respect, unlike Wike En. this is collaboration. I can, with all honesty and workaholic, give HOURS, and all I ask is, that most of you who do have COMMAND in style and copyright, help me publish... that is why, in each talk page, I advertise, please help me publish. Well, I mean, like judges, they just pen decisions pro-forma, copy paste and just fill up the new parts for the new case. I mean, you can help me publish by instead of failing or just letting fly my bad works, to just correct the same, never mine if there are 10 errors, for IN TIME, they will diminish. Mathematically, I can give 7 hours a day, to create, develop and put to review. I know that many editors-reviewers here will be annoyed by my often bad style and copy pastes. But they and you will only need 30 minutes or an hour to publish some of my bad works.
 * In a capsule, or nutshell, we Filipinos have a saying: a bamboo if young, can still be corrected, but if grows older, it can't. I am not a negative thinker, but, please understand that legal language and this Wikinews stuff style and copyright are miles apart. I need your patience and guidance, since as you said, there is no adoption, here. At the very least, I had been part of your lives, this is something personal, we cannot get from the streets or books. Good luck again.--Florentino Floro (talk) 11:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep up the good work
You should really have got this instead of the Newcomer award. Might be time to scale back other aspects of your User Page and add an awards section - I somehow suspect you'll get up to the next award level fairly quickly. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Could you please see my comment?
As the author of the article New Year fire kills at least 59, injures 212 more at Bangkok pub, I think you should see this --1j1z2 (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

6 January 2009 - 14 February 2010: Earth Ox

 * Thanks for the message. I think, I had discussed this, but I can't find my thoughts, maybe, I failed to upload my comment on this matter. During the development and pre-review, I used earth (elemental) ox based on Wki En.. I think I had suggested that technically speaking the year of the Ox starts on January 26. I cannot miss this date, since this is the birthday of my brother Robert, we await this. So, I am really sad that I had pushed the limit of the Chinese calendar backwards just because I love images, you know, as I stated since 1975, I am a failed Nikon photo dreamer. Lawyer-judge is not my ambition but race horse jockey and photo.
 * But suffice it to say, that, since this is English Wiki, then, I pondered that though the Ox starts on 26, but vis-a-vis the Gregorian Calendar and Wiki calendar of Jan. 1, earth ox can be merged with Jan. 1, since it is just 25 days. I know this is a big fallacy and no logic will accept this. I am sorry for my very far-fetched stretching of the Ox to Jan. 1. Here in the Philippines Chinese new year is celebrated in China Town on the Chinese date. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Pinoy blogger-Manila Bulletin copyright case
Not sure if it has already been reported here, but you might want to make an article on this. It's also been covered in other sources, but these three are the ones I have at hand. . 125.60.159.198 05:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Can't pass the review due to late news
This is a very good story and travesty of Justice. But Wikinews has reviewers and according to style guide, it must be newsworthy, that is, updated with January 4-5, sources. This can be created in Wikipedia English as STUB, you can propose it in Tambayan there. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion: EGM shutdown
Hi, if you aren't working on anything (or have the time to work on something else), could you make a release on the shutting down of Electronic Gaming Monthly? Used to read that fervently as a kid, wouldn't wanna see it pass away without mention. 125.60.159.198 08:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Done
I am developing it. - Davis sells 1UP to UGO Networks/Hearst, closes Electronic Gaming Monthly. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Original Reporting
Interested in helping out with some original reporting?. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I had been thinking of it, about something in the Philippines, since I live here at Malolos City, Bulacan, Philippines. If there will be a good news or interview article here and if the big times here will agree, then I will try. But as of now, I am still learning a bit, and have not read about original reporting. (Note, these days, our papers are flooded with the big headline of the P 50 million drug bribery which I had written here. I thought of doing this but I don't believe people here will speak). Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually meant on the specific article I linked to, but yes, some original reporting like interviews with people in the Philippines would be good too. Most of our interviews are fairly 'soft', and we don't do a Jeremy Paxman on our interview subjects. There is a lot of leeway in the interview format that means you do not have to be overly paranoid about NPOV. As long as things are clearly attributed to the interview subject and your questions are relatively neutral then the responses can be utterly NPOV - because it is what someone has said.
 * If you're interested in contributing to the new Tony Benn interview, check the couple of questions sent, those proposed on the talk page, and his article on WP. There is also a previous interview - for the full thing listen to the audio, I didn't transcribe all of it and I think Tony Benn's voice is a delight to listen to. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Oh, I see. As I read your User Page, you are from Belgium (I had just randomly written the article on the Belgian Premier amid the economic turmoil). Actually, I do have very very little background on world events, especially this, on Tony Benn. I have to read a lot to get into this. In fact, to be candid, I am a very slow reader. Nobody will believe that I never read novels or books in my life except school books. In 1972, we were assigned William Faulkner's "As I lay dying" and ordinary guys can read it in just 5 hours. I read it in one month. Maybe, this is the reason, why in RUSH Forum I had 54,000 views, they say, what I state is not the ordinary thing you hear on the streets, weird often, though. In my 6,700 edits in Wiki Eng. I just browse and do not even read the articles, so, I got prolific editing. But here in Wikinews, during December, I spent about 7 hours for just one article. In the LA 10 dead article, Dec. 25, I spent 4 days for that. I am a very slow reader (my IQ is 100 bright normal, last 2001, but I don't know now, how I go). Also, for me, it is very hard to write a news article that I am not interested in. I could have written 3 to 4 articles a day, but, since I write only with my heart, then, I have to take time. There are days, where I spent 3 hours browsing Google and all news sites to search for my news article. Pardon for my negativity, this is what I am. Even in the mental tests, in 1995, I have had no self-confidence, and this is typical of the GIFTED, I am. In layman's terms, an piano genius needs TIME and heart to write a piece. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 10:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks so much for the star (of hope). As jobless judge in pretend world, since 1999, just have the luxury of TIME that most of you who are gainfully employed do not have. Best of Luck.--Florentino Floro (talk) 04:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Nomination
I have nominated you to be able to flag revisions of published articles. Please indicate here if you accept or decline the nomination. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and Best of Luck, 2009

 * Thanks for your kindness and may the coming New Year be blessed for all of you and your country. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Editor status
I have promoted you to the Editor class, as I feel you can be trusted to mark revisions of articles as sighted (review). Take a moment to read: If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask for help on my talk page, and thank you for contributing to Wikinews ! --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Flagged revisions
 * Reviewing articles
 * Peer review
 * Review
 * Reviewed article version
 * Flagged Revisions extension information, on MediaWiki

Best of Luck this Year and all Years to come
There is nothing better than good luck plus peace amid the dire news tragedies we do write. Who will read news which does not touch the heart? But when we write deaths and near-death-experiences, news review and editing touch the heart. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the revert-edit of vandalism. It is rare here unlike in Wikipedia English. The editor's IP address 209.66.200.45 comes from - Hostname:pat-sandieguito.sdcoe.net -ISP:San Diego County Office of Education-Organization:San Diego County Office of Education-Proxy:Suspected network sharing device.Type:	Corporate-Blacklist:Geo-Location Information-Country:United States State/Region:CA City:Encinitas Latitude:33.0501 Longitude:-117.2528-Area Code:	760--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Message on article talk page
I left a message on the Man arrested in Mississipii ove... talk page for you. Gopher65talk 18:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I had to defend the image uploaded
Thanks for the message. The website really is so general. But, the Federal Courts thing in Wikipedia is really a clutter or mess. It is so difficult to find the exact location in the website. So, I put the general source which includes all the courts there. --Florentino Floro (talk) 05:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

large number of sources on articles
I'm not sure if this is useful or not, but I proposed a way to handle articles with large number of sources so that fact checkers can theoretically be more efficient (if it'd actually help in reality i don't know). Anyways, I'd appreciate your comments on Water_cooler/proposals. Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 10:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Page change
This page had been on 19:52, 22 January 2009 changed by IP 209.66.200.45pat-sandieguito.sdcoe.net-ISP-San Diego County Office of Education- Organization:San Diego County Office of Education-Proxy:None detected-Type:Corporate-Blacklist:Country:United States-State/Region:CA: City:Encinitas, California -Latitude:33.0501-Longitude:-117.2528 -Area Code:760 Thanks to the editor User:DragonFire1024 for reverting it. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Trece Martirez blast comments
Gee, thanks sir. Blakegripling ph (talk) 13:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Best of Luck, too. --Florentino Floro (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Britannica interview
I've contacted Encyclopedia Britannica, and they are willing to answer questions about their "suggested edit" process. Seeing that you've contributed that fantastic article about the process, feel free to add questions for this article. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sight
I had my Chiara interview reviewed on recent changes and for some reason it was not sighted. Can you be so kind as to sight it for me? Thank you. Mike Halterman (talk) 09:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio issues
Please see Admin_action_alerts. Thank you. Cirt (talk) 18:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

You have been indefinitely blocked from Wikinews
It appears as though User:ShakataGaNai has indefinitely blocked you from editing this site, for reasons listed at Admin action alerts. However, you can still edit your talk page. You can request to be unblocked and argue your case by adding to this page. Best regards, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 17:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Statement

 * I am Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr., the Philippine Angel of Death, who was appointed RTC Judge of Br. 73, Malabon/Navotas, Philippines on my 45th birthday on November 4/5, 1998. Since 1995, I had worn black clothes every Fridays as prophecy of pains and deaths for the loved ones of my detractors, enemies and persecutors, up to the 4th generation. LEST I be misconstrued, I hereby state that:

 * After suffering almost 68 months of preventive suspension since July 20, 1999, I was separated from judicial service on April 7, 2006 and became Googled; in having joined more than 140 forums, inter alia, I consistently laid my cards on the table: my only agenda in the forums, inter alia, are - to share my story and at the same time, to prophesy-predict the dire pains, deaths, lingering illnesses, disasters-accidents, cancer, stroke, nerve disorders, surgeries and hospitalizations of the loved ones, up to the 4th generation, of my enemies, detractors, persecutors, etc.; I was blocked in about 20 forums and hated by Filipinos, since I never found kindness in my own country;
 * I met PinoyExchange Forum member Omeng - Mr. Romeo Miranda, CEO of Filgenuity, Inc./Filgenutiy LLC, the owner of Kingsgrill, a coconut charcoal product, which he had sold locally and abroad - at his office in Sun Valley Drive, Paranaque City, Philippines last June, 2007; he was interested in my coconut healing oil and I gave him a copy of my 376 pages Book; he invited me to register in Wikipedia and its sister projects, as he registered User:Melanie Almeria, using Bhilly Castro also in Facebook and his other accounts. After reading my book, he created on 08:20, 28 June 2007, my Wikipedia biography Florentino Floro, and he was suspected a sockpuppet of User:Judgefloro. About June 28, 2007, Mr. Miranda invited me to join Wikipedia, as I also registered my Wikipedia account User:Florentino floro. I had repeatedly stressed that my only agenda in Wikipedia was to fulfill my religious dire prophecy of deaths and pains contained in the heading of my 12 blogs, to wit: Judge Florentino Floro's biblical curse and imprecation upon - the entire Philippine judiciary, Wikipedia-Wikinews Editors- Administrators, Ateneo Law School Classes '80 to '85, including all the loved ones of his enemies, stalkers, persecutors, detractors and all those who caused the loss of the Filipino dwarf judge’s job, in a pretend world, up to the 4th generation.
 * I had blatantly cursed Filipino Wikipedians about January, 2008 and demanded/dared that they should block me amid long discussions/talks. I had completed my prophecy when my NUMBER 68 was done: I was blocked as I desired on November 22, 2008, after about 6,800 edits, and after the deaths and illnesses of my enemies, amid the C-130 crash at Davao City, Samal Island, death of the 4 parents of S.C. Justices, and the aftermath of Mumbai attacks. When I placed the template of appeal, I utterly did not write any reason, since I wanted to blocked by my stalkers.
 * In Wikinews, I registered on December 3, 2008 and had planned only 73 articles, and repeatedly stated that I would be stalked and blocked by the same Filipinos and their co-editors/sysops of Wikipedia. Thus, I had created 73 Articles (I am Br. 73, RTC Judge) - December 3, 2008 to February 22, 2009, and you will notice that about February 24, 2009, I stopped creating news articles after creating the 74th where I hoped I will be blocked, as I had desired to be blocked on March 12, before the Friday the 13th. I had repeatedly stated in the collaboration pages of my created news articles that - each news article - that I would write, each edit, especially the disasters and accidents - will, as I did and do prophecy - my enemies, including Wikipedia and Wikinews editors/sysops will 100 times suffer the dire fate-pains-deaths that were suffered by the people who suffered in the news articles I created. Please notice, that I never participated in your blocking discussions as I decided that this is the holy hour and day for me to fulfill my mission and dire prophecy.
 * IN FINE, therefore, this Good Friday, the 10th day of April, hereat Philippines, I reiterate my dire prophecies, as I hereby give a final chance or favor upon any and all Wikinews editors/sysops here, except Filipinos, who had done me wrong, to apologize, repent and ask for my forgiveness, so that my holy angels LUIS, Armand & Angel would temper their/your sufferings; but Filipino editors and sysops here and in Wikipedia will never ever be pardoned due to my LIVING CURSE since they are doomed forever. I finally say that Wikipedia and Wikinews rules on appeals-blocks are not applicable to me, and are rendered moot and academic by the above presents.+ --Florentino Floro (talk) 08:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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New Zealand Parliament reconvenes after election

December 8, 2008

The New Zealand Parliament met today for the first time following the recent general election.

Three senior judges, led by Chief Justice Sian Elias, formally opened the session.

The members were formally sworn in, and the National Party took control of the government benches. National MP Lockwood Smith was unanimously elected Speaker.

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow for the formal state opening by the Governor-General, and the speech from the Throne, in which the government will lay out its legislative programme.

The November 8 election saw National win a victory over the Labour Party and form a minority government with the support of ACT and the Māori Party.


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Talk:New Zealand Parliament reconvenes after election

Awaiting proper sourcing, identities of the assistant and deputy speakers, and any kerfuffle which happens during the first meeting (e.g. the usual dispute over swearing allegience to the Treaty of Waitangi etc). Also, Wikipedia has a better picture. --IdiotSavant (talk) 12:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Deputy and Assistant Speakers are done tomorrow, and no serious kerfuffle. A couple of Maori Party MPs tried to swear allegience to the Treaty of Waitangi and had to do it again, and Su'a William Sio got to do it in Samoan, then English, but nothing significant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by IdiotSavant (talk • contribs) 03:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Note to foreign editors: despite its full name, the ACT party is always referred to simply as "ACT", never as "the ACT". The story should reflect that usage. --IdiotSavant (talk) 01:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. But what do you make of Wikipedia's assertion that "internal image-makers push the phrase 'the ACT Party'" (as seen on ACT New Zealand). Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * that its the long form, similar to "the national party" and "the Labour party". In normal conversatioannd media reports, they're referred to as "National" or "Labour". --IdiotSavant (talk) 06:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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User:Modernist

Modernist is an editor generally found on the en.wikipedia.

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Comments:Local council in Australia rejects McDonald's development plan

wtf does this article mean? it's all in auzzie
 * More like Ozzie. Fephisto (talk) 13:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


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.tel top-level domain launched

December 3, 2008 Domain names with .tel top-level domain have been put on sale for businesses and organisations purchasing their trademarks.

It is intended to be used for pages that contain contact details for individuals and companies, although websites using this domain will not be available for everyone to purchase until March 24 of next year.

This top-level domain is operated by Telnic.

Khashayar Mahdavi, CEO of Telnic, commented on the new domain. "The launch of .tel represents the most significant innovation in the domain name system since the advent of .com," he stated. "Essentially, the .tel offers businesses of all sizes a fast, efficient, adaptable and intelligent service that will let customers interact with them in any way they want. Anyone that wants to communicate better with their customers should purchase a .tel."

Describing today's launch, Telnic stated that currently "owners and licensees of trademarks registered with national effect may apply." The organisation also requires that "trademarks must have been applied for prior to 30 May 2008 and registered prior to the date the Sunrise application is submitted. Applications may be based on both word and figurative [device] marks that consist exclusively or predominantly of words."

According to a Google search for all sites using .tel, there are already 570 pages using the new top level domain.

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Talk:.tel top-level domain launched

 * This could use a technical perspective to it. How are the domains managed. All the sites appear the same - are the hosted by telnic? If you register a domain, can you have non-web (aka ftp, Jabber/whatever) services on it? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 * This also reads a bit like a press release...just me though. —75.168.163.246 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Image
Is this a real image? I can't seem to access a "wikinews.tel", and Google hasn't indexed it. If it's fake, should we ethically be using it? A fake image to report the news... maybe I'm just over thinking it. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the image description page, it is an example proivided by telnic of what a page for wikinews would be if the wmf bought one. (they have some sort of preview service) Bawolff ☺☻ 06:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Whoops, should have just gone to the image description page, I guess. Thanks Bawolff! --  Zanimum (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Georgia Senate seat goes to Republicans

No one voted. This article should include a voting count. I promise you less than half of GA is conservative. 24.30.16.34 18:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews Shorts: December 4, 2008

Toronto, Canada bans bottled water in city facilities
On December 2, the Toronto city council voted in favor of banning the sales and distribution of bottled water on city property. The council also agreed to provide public drinking fountains on their properties, as well as on a measure that would make shoppers pay at least five Canadian cents for plastic grocery bags and force business owners to offer reusable bags and carry-out containers.

"Toronto's decision to ban the bottle and turn on the tap sends a clear message that bottled water's 15 minutes are up," said Polaris Institute's campaign coordinator, Joe Cressy.

All of the city's facilities should be following the water ban by 2011, while businesses will have to implement their bag fees by 2010. Toronto has become the largest city in the world to ban bottled water on government property.

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Patrick Swayze denies reports that he is near death
On Tuesday, American actor, Patrick Swayze, who suffers from pancreatic cancer, denied reports that he was near death. American tabloid National Inquirer reported on November 28 that Swayze's cancer had spread to his liver and that he was preparing for his death.

"The only thorn in my side being that many tabloids have been consistently reporting lies and false information about me and those close to me," said Swayze in a statement to the press who also added that he knows he is in "the fight for his life," but that it is a fight that he "is winning."

"I'm one of the lucky few that responds well to treatment," added Swayze.

Swayze has starred in over a dozen films, including the 1987 hit film ''Dirty Dancing.

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Talk:Wikinews Shorts: December 4, 2008

Why were these not added to Dec 3 shorts? Dec 4 is still a while off. --SVTCobra 20:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Someone already had started it. I was just now thinking some might be able to have their own articles too. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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Car accident was an act of God, says driver

December 3, 2008 🇺🇸A man from San Antonio, Texas in the United States, is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon and aggravated assault after he ran a woman off the road. The driver who caused the accident told police that God told him to do it.

Police say that Michael E. Schwab claimed that while he was driving on U.S. Highway 281 in Texas, God told him to run the unnamed woman off the road because she "wasn't driving right" and "needed to be taken off the road." He slammed into her car at over 100 miles per hour, spinning both vehicles into the median.

"God must have been with them, 'cause any other time, the severity of this crash, it would have been a fatal," said Kyle Coleman, a spokesman for the Bexar County sheriff's department.

Police say that Schwab was not drunk, and they found no illegal drugs inside his car. He is expected to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Neither of the individuals suffered serious injuries.

God has faced scrutiny in the past, including a recent lawsuit that was thrown out of court. A judge in Nebraska, USA had dismissed a lawsuit in October that was filed against the higher power. In 2007, Nebraska state Senator Ernie Chambers, who represents legislative District 11 in North Omaha, filed the lawsuit alleging God was responsible for "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."


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Comments:Republican Senator from Georgia wins run-off election

Sad day, Georgia deserves better than that heartless bastard Chambliss for a senator. 72.146.167.17 22:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

At least your sweetheart Polosi won't have her steam roller now!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.24.48.1 (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:India's flag lands on Moon

wow. that's pretty intense.

mErA BHARATH mahaan
We INDIANS are all very proud of this great achievement Raghu Iyer Vapi, Gujarat, India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.233.3 (talk) 12:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no light side or dark side of the moon
The sun rises and sets all over the moon. There is no permanently light or dark side. Thereis however a near side and a far side, relative to the Earth.

Comments from feedback form - "pooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrr..."
pooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr —117.198.181.96 (talk) 10:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Excellent!"
Excellent! —65.161.188.11 (talk) 18:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "worst"
worst —117.212.76.171 (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "lucky shot!"
lucky shot! —168.166.76.3 (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Former Soviet Union
'The other countries which have sent spacecraft to the Moon are the United States, the former Soviet Union...'. This is incorrect. It was simply the 'Soviet Union'; 'the former Soviet Union' is used only to discuss developments since its demise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 31.51.165.106 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 5 June 2017
 * The sentence says countries are. The Soviet Union was a country, but is a .  --Pi zero (talk) 18:56, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Lashkar-e-Toiba implicated in Mumbai attacks

December 4, 2008

Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), a militant Islamic fundamentalist group based in Pakistan, has been implicated in last week's Mumbai attacks in India.

Rakesh Maria, a commissioner with the Mumbai Police, said that the sole surviving attacker, whom he identified as Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, has admitted spending three months in a Lashkar-e-Toiba camp preparing the attacks. Kasab, who is reported to be 21 years old, told police that he spent a total of eighteen months training at various LeT camps. Meanwhile, John Michael McConnell, the United States Director of National Intelligence, indirectly implicated LeT. In a speech at Harvard University, he said that the same group responsible for the 2006 Mumbai train bombings was behind last week's attacks. LeT has also been blamed for the attack on the Parliament of India in late 2001

"The same group that we believe is responsible for Mumbai had a similar attack in 2006 on a train and killed a similar number of people," said McConnell without naming LeT. "If you examine the groups we think are responsible, the philosophical underpinnings are very similar to what Al-Qaeda puts out as their view of how the world should be. It is a continuation."

Commissioner Maria said that the training took place in Muzaffarabad, Pakistan, near the disputed Kashmir region. Kasab received very specific instructions, according to Maria. "He was told things like, 'You'll come in through this door, then go over here, then go out through that door,'" Maria told CNN's Nic Robertson. "Very, very detailed, explicit instructions. The gunmen were hand-picked, but there were no examinations per se."

India has also said that Kasab named known LeT leader, Yusuf Muzammil, as the mastermind behind the attacks.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited the Indian capital of New Delhi on Wednesday.

"Pakistan needs to act with resolve and urgency and cooperate fully and transparently," said Rice. "That message has been delivered and will be delivered to Pakistan."

Analysts cited by Reuters are saying that India will not resort to a military response over the Mumbai attacks.

"The military option has never been an option, because the military can't guarantee you an outcome," said Manoj Joshi, an editor at the Mail Today. "We have been there, done it, and it doesn't work." In 2002, India threatened military action after the parliament attack.

"If you want a solution to Afghanistan, you have to lean on Pakistan to shut down all jihadist operations," said Siddharth Varadarajan, an editor at The Hindu. "You have to tackle the root cause, which is the attitude of the Pakistani military. That is the silver bullet."


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Comments:Car accident was an act of God, says driver

I wouldn't believe that God told him to run her off the road because God wouldn't want violence
 * You should read the old testament! Telling humans to stone adulterers is the tame stuff. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

life
the guy seems retarded but thats not for us to judge. mabye god did tell him to to it maybe not we dont know theres no evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.254.206 (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Our governing officials
The article says that a Senator tried to bring a lawsuit against God. How did someone like that get elected? Doesn't he have more pressing matters to attend to? Makes a person wonder what our Senators really do with all their time and money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.33.132.19 (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 * The senator was breaking the system. He was making a statement about the 'acts of God' clause that insurance companies often hide behind to avoid payouts. -LambaJan (talk) 12:58, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Do not blame God for your own Actions
Well, religions and religious people believe and say that God rewards any individual for doing good and righteous things and punishes any individual for doing evils. So those who really believe in God should not blame God for all the sins and inhuman activities they are committing.
 * Because if God was to cause you to do that activity (good or evil) then how would God reward or punish for the things he himself has ordered you. We all believe that God is the wisest most judicious, powerful, merciful, gracious as well as full of justice, then accepting and having all these precious qualities and characteristics how would he make any irrational and unjustifiable decision.

That is, we who brutalize, assault and abuse humanity and the world as a whole. Those who don not believe in God will never blame the God for their actions, so they are at least better than believers in terms of not ill-treating the name of God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B mobarez (talk • contribs) 08:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

other roads
I wonder what God will tell him to do in prison... -LambaJan (talk) 13:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thou shalt not drop the soap in the showers! --Brian McNeil / talk 13:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a comment. If the media would stop reporting all the crazy things people to do to get attention, alot of crazy things would stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.79.125 (talk) 18:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be a bit self-fulfilling, though?--207.233.67.28 01:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sueing GOD or Satan.
End is near, People don't know the difference between Almighty God and the Satan. They are blinded by the love of life and material. At least they know there are some powers other than themselves. It is kind a dyeing soul of humans quest for truth and reality. All praise be to God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.20.53 (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Nut or troll, I'm going to give this a golf clap --204.81.230.186 14:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Now I have a headache
""God must have been with them, 'cause any other time, the severity of this crash, it would have been a fatal," said Kyle Coleman, a spokesman for the Bexar County sheriff's department."

My body crumpled and I hit my head on my desk. Kyle's comment is so absurd it's actually sort of beautiful. --207.233.67.28 01:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

For God "Jesus" is Love and who ever dose not Love dose not know God "Jesus". This is how we know what Love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us, And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 1st John 3:16

Also the true desciption of Love is this: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not pround. it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts always hopes, always persevers. 1st Corinthians 13:4,5,6,& 7

And last would be: Whwn tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me," For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone. but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death. James 1:13,14 and 15

Is God responsible ?
I wish people would stop blaming God for all the problems in the world. I believe that if there is a God he is a benign soul and a fatherly figure who just oversees things. If there is a devil and he is the king of evil then he is responsible for all the woes of the world. People are very often the architects of their own destruction and when they fully understand this hopefully they will stop passing the buck. Leslie Julian Luker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.249.131 (talk) 12:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Fictional
What a daydreamer.--38.116.200.53 15:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

As a regular driver on 281...
...I can assure you all that the woman most certainly wasn't driving right. --72.191.23.43 05:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx for a ridiculous story that once again shows religion turns people into lunatics. I am with the judge anyway, god is responsible for not letting the woman drive properly.24.132.170.97 04:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow.
I'm going to try to keep this within the limits of politeness, because this kind of stuff really riles me up, evidenced by the fact i made an account just to post this. Someone going ahead and doing something like this because they think god told them to ought to be a crime in itself. I hope that at the very least this man will be spending some time in jail and be set straight by the judge. If the courts leave this guy's punishment to a higher power or don't discipline him enough, it just goes to show how deluding the view of a higher power influencing our actions really can be for some people. In one sense or another, actions causing harm to another should NEVER be blamed on god, or anyone but the one perpetuating them. This guy should lose his liscence, because no matter how bad of a driver that woman was, ramming her at 100mph was far more an infraction than going a bit too slow on the highway. I hope they throw the book at this idiot, and not the 'good' one.


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Comments:Arrest made in Jennifer Hudson family killings

I hope that bastard gets what's coming to him. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Balfour's upcoming trial
Jennifer Hudson celebrated victory the day the police arrested William Balfour.But his mother was so outraged that she denied his involovement in that murder.Because of that,he was denied bail.Will there be a guilty verdict? 125.212.120.206 08:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Traitor
William Balfour killed his own stepson.He betrayed the U.S. of A. by stealing secrets from the CIA and giving it to North Korea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.212.120.206 (talk • contribs) 08:05, 2 May 2009

Murders of Jennifer Hudson family
I just want to say what kind of animal would kill an inocent young boy. This is a scary and demonic world when a person would murder a child. If that animal did do it, he needs the death penalty as many times as he shot his very own child! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.30.22.124 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 8 December 2009

I think he did it. And I am glad Jennifer has some type of closure and is doing great! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.150.94.160 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 10 April 2011

She blood sacrificed her family.. shadyy! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.110.193.253 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 10 April 2012

He go pay and that's just sad even mama lying 4 ya —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.164.114.221 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 30 September 2013


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Talk:Iraqi rebels seize control of Ramadi's inner city

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Talk:London bomb suspect returned from Italy

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User talk:202.177.174.81

Hello there. Thank you for contributing to wikinews. Unfortunately Wikinews does not accept biographical articles, we are only for news (current events).. Other projects exist that do accept biographies exist, would probably be a better place for it. Wikipedia is a fairly popular example accepting biographies for some people, but they have very stringent standards for whom they deem important enough for inclusion. If the person who the article is about meets them, I would suggest moving the article over there. If not, there are probably other places with more lenient standards for inclusion you could try. Search around in google.

Thanks for your understanding, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 04:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

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Sunshine Coast Council ratifies McDonald's development rejection

The Sunshine Coast Regional Council has formally ratified the rejection of the 24 hour McDonald's in Minyama. The decision comes after council rejected the proposal earlier this week at a general committee meeting.

McDonald's forwarded an 11th hour compromise to deputy mayor Tim Dwyer in order to overturn the decision. The compromised had included reducing the opening hours to 6am to 10pm Sunday to Thursday and until 12am Friday and Saturday.

Local member of federal parliament Peter Slipper has said that any new development be given serious and honest consideration to the various potential impacts on the community.

"It is important that any new development, including fast food outlets, give serious and honest consideration to the various potential impacts of the project on the community. This is important as society strives to balance the need for development with the need to support the lifestyle choices and wishes of residents," said Mr Slipper in an e-mail to Wikinews.

Local residents who had opposed the development had support from local councilor Chris Thompson. "We already have a 24-hour McDonald’s at Mooloolaba, only one kilometre away, and there are already [anti-social] issues at that site," he said.

Councillors ratified the rejection unanimously. McDonald's will now fight the decision in court.


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Comments:.tel top-level domain launched

 * Seriously? I think ICANN needs replacing. This is not what domain names should be used for. If we really wanted an internet telephone directory, whats wrong with adapting the whois system for that? it already has technical contacts for almost every website. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading the wikipedia article (that has actual technical details), this is less of a stupid idea. [not necessarily sure if its a good idea, but not a bad idea]. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Google result brings up weird one
This article says that you have to have a trademark, to register one of these before the March public opening. Yet there's a david.tel, registered to "David Taylor, Partner, IPMT, Lovells LLP". I doubt he owns a trademark on his name. Is this registration following the rules? -- Zanimum (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Same for henri.tel, micha.tel, carsten.tel, rob.tel, gareth, ben, nadya, fiona, zoe, lars, pierre, stella... --  Zanimum (talk) 00:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * http://david.tel - hmm maybe they were involved with the company associated with this. otherwise it doesn't really make sense. (also how do they deal with more than one person named david in the world?). Bawolff ☺☻ 06:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Appears to be big lawyer at ICANN - http://www.icannwiki.org/David_Taylor

david.tel brings up the details of a software engineer at telnic, david jones. Who does this belong to? David Taylor or David Jones? Something stinks about this transaction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.77.212 (talk) 10:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

If I can clarify a few points - I am a representative of Telnic Limited, the registry operator.

Initially, we set up domain names prior to the system going live to demonstrate the use of the .tel - David Taylor from Lovells was one of our beta testers prior to launching the VIP.tel beta programme, in order to help us test this. David Taylor used the account temporarily. It was then taken back prior to the end of our Sunrise period. Prior to the start of Landrush, David Jones joined Telnic. As the Registry Operator, Telnic has the right to reserve domain names for conducting business. This includes the names listed above - all are employees or business associates of Telnic. All other names were released to market under a first come, first served process and all at the same price, meaning Telnic has not withheld any premium names from the market.

I hope this clarifies things.

Justin Hayward, Communications Director, Telnic Limited - justin.tel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinhayward (talk • contribs) 13:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:ملك الملوك

Hello - I can't read the script you're using, but on the off chance its arabic (I apologize if it isn't), perhaps you'd be intrested in the Arabic language wikinews. Cheers, Bawolff ☺☻ 06:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is indeed Arabic. Unfortunately Arabic Wikinews is completely dead (NO articles being written at all), so there isn't much point in him/her going there:(. Hopefully this person is familiar enough with some other language to be able to contribute in that instead. Gopher65talk 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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Talk:Sunshine Coast Council ratifies McDonald's development rejection

Peter slipper email
(Email removed at request of sender) --RockerballAustralia (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Could you please forward this e-mail to scoop@wikinewsie.org so that some of our accredited reporters can verify it. (I am not one, btw). That will be necessary for a proper review. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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Eighth Filipino journalist killed this year

December 7, 2008

Leo Luna Mila, 35, a news anchorman and commentator of Radyo Natin, was gunned down Tuesday in San Roque, Northern Samar, Philippines. Mila was shot 12 times while leaving work. As publisher of the local magazine Peryodista and host of another radio program "Bungkaras" (Wake Up), he had been critical of the New People's Army's forced taxation. He had received threats through text messages last September.

The Philippine Daily Inquirer reported that Mila is the 8th journalist killed in the Philippines this year and the 62nd since 2001, when President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo came to power. A total of 122 media people have been murdered since President Cory Aquino overthrew the Marcos dictatorship in 1986.

Meanwhile, the Department of Justice's Undersecretary Ricardo Blancaflor, chairman of the "Task Force 211" - Against Political Violence and Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines, announced that a probe team would be sent to Northern Samar. The Northern Samar provincial police office has also formed "Task Force Mila" to investigate the killing. Two local politicians, including San Roque Mayor Andre Avalon, have offered a P100,000 (US$2 067.80) bounty for any information leading to the capture of the suspects.

Meanwhile, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said, "it is time for the central government, as well as local authorities, to promptly address the climate of impunity that is facilitating rising violence against Philippine journalists. Mila's murder is a reminder that police throughout the Philippines must respond immediately with investigations and protection when journalists are threatened for their work."


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I created this notable news on the 8th journalist killed. Our country the Philippines had been criticized as one of the most unsafe places to live. In Wikipedia English I created the major article on Philippine e-j killings - Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines--Florentino Floro (talk) 08:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Points requiring attention

 * Over-use of parenthesis
 * Lists make readability slightly problematic
 * Only Wikinews reports go in the Related news section
 * Sources are to be sorted newest to oldest

It may be that this would benefit from not listing all the previously killed journalists to improve readability. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I had developed and updated this article for review
Accordingly, I had developed and updated this article hoping it will pass the Wiki standards. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


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Congressional panel concludes Gulf War Syndrome a legitimate condition

December 4, 2008 A study by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs presented to a Congressional panel on November 17, has confirmed that Gulf War Syndrome is a legitimate illness contracted by soldiers who took pyridostigmine bromide pills in order to counter the effects of nerve gas during the First Gulf War in Iraq. Several other factors likely contributed to Gulf War Syndrome, including excessive exposure to pesticides, mainly Permethrin and DEET, and chemical weapons residue caused by the American demolition of the Iraqi munitions depot in Khamisiyah.

The report estimates that about 1 out of every 4 veterans of the Gulf War are affected by this illness; this could mean anywhere between 175,000 and 210,000 soldiers are affected by the syndrome. The report also concluded that veterans exposed to the toxins spread by the destruction of the munitions depot have died of brain cancer at double the rate of other Gulf War veterans. Other problems associated with the condition are: fatigue, headaches, joint pain, rashes, breathing difficulty, forgetfulness, circulation problems, and cardiac troubles.

Gulf War Syndrome has been the focal point of veterans rights groups since the illness first became noticed in the early 1990s. The United States and British governments claimed that the illness was merely psychological trauma from war misinterpreted as an illness, and veterans could not receive medical coverage for the illness.

"I feel vindicated, but I'm angry. This is so long overdue," said Denise Nichols, an advocate for veterans' rights and a nurse who served during Operation Desert Storm. The National Gulf Veterans and Families Association (NGVFA) said that many veterans committed suicide after learning that the government did not recognize their illness as real.


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Somalia in danger of famine

December 4, 2008

Heavy violence, drought, and soaring food prices mean that half of the population of the African country of Somalia is in immediate need of food aid in order to prevent a famine, according to a new study.

Every sixth child under the age of five is acutely malnourished, and three and a quarter million people are in need of immediate aid, a number 77% higher than last year, according to the Food Security Analysis Unit (FSAU), which is based in Nairobi, Kenya.

Few aid agencies are able to operate in Somalia, due mainly to the high levels of violence there: almost one hundred ships being seized by pirates in Somali waters this year, and 23 aid workers have been killed in the country, with a further 18 abducted, in 2008 alone. Most international humanitarian staff have been forced to leave the country, and even Somali staff are finding it hard to function.

"The escalating conflict, civil insecurity, and instability in Somalia is now fueling an economic crisis that is beginning to have a wider and more devastating impact on the broader population," said FSAU's chief technical advisor, Cindy Holleman.

Alexandre Liebeskind, The International Red Cross's East African division head, said that this crisis is comparable to the 1992 Somalia famine, in which between 202,000 and 238,000 people died of starvation. The Red Cross has called for the country's borders to be opened, and for its residents to be allowed to cross and flee from the impending disaster.

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Solar car travels around the world

December 5, 2008

On December 4, 2008, a solar car, developed by scientists at Swiss universities, ended its journey of traveling around the world at the United Nations climate talks in Poznań, Poland. Yvo de Boer, the Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, rode into Poznań in the vehicle, along with schoolteacher Louis Palmer.

The two-seat car began its journey 17 months ago in Lucerne, Switzerland. Carrying solar cells on a trailer, the car sent the message that global warming can be stopped and there are better alternatives.

"This is the first time in history that a solar-powered car has travelled all the way around the world without using a single drop of petrol," said Palmer. "These new technologies are ready. It's ecological, it's economical, it is absolutely reliable. We can stop global warming."

Many people have been carried by the solar car, including New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

The conference in Poznań seeks to draft a new climate treaty that would replace the Kyoto protocol, which is set to expire in 2012. The delegates hope to finalize the treaty by December 2009, when the UN reconvenes on the climate in Copenhagen, Denmark.

"Here at the conference, we are talking about reducing emissions by 10 or 20 percent," Palmer said. "I want to show that we can reduce emissions by 100 percent — and that's what we need for the future."

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Requesting deletion
Hi, in the future, you can simply use when you want a page you created to be deleted, instead of simply asking on the talk page. This way, the article will appear at the list of articles requested for speedy deletion at Admin action alerts, and will probably get deleted more quickly. Cheers, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪  16:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Former NZ Prime Minister confirmed as head of UNDP
Hi, I see you have been reviewing articles, as you did at the above page. Unfortunately, only users with the editor permission are able to review and publish articles so they will appear on the main page. This is due to technical limitations, not because we don't trust our contributors. If you want editor status, you can apply for it at WN:FR/RFP. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪  18:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I though those with Editor status just had extra tools. I though if I reviewed other article, more might be inclined to review mine. Sorry.  —Spshu (talk) 18:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
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Dungeons & Dragons co-creator Dave Arneson dies
I went ahead and cited your changes. Normally, you would have to create a new article for new information, but as this article was an obituary, it makes very little sense to have more than one article. Also the sources you used were not past the original date of publication. Thanks for taking the time to make the article better. The changes you made defiantly improved the article. —Calebrw (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Replies have been made at DragonFire's talk
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 * As per your request at DragonFire's talk page, I've undeleted your article and placed it here: User:Spshu/Dealer leads offer for Pontiac brand. Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk]  19:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Discovery Communication wins bid to buy Scripps Networks Scripps Company agreed to purchase Katz networks
I am really sorry. We could not review in time. acagastya PING ME! 06:07, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Congressional panel concludes Gulf War Syndrome a legitimate condition

Not new
The piece by BU Today to promote the contributions of one of Boston University's contributions seems to be a poor excuse to consider this as news. The report was delivered to Congress on November 17. --SVTCobra 22:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I am really tempted to tag this as stale --SVTCobra 22:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Considering that this has been fought over for the past 17 years and it only was decided on one month ago this is hardly considered stale news Soapy (talk)

 * By your standards perhaps, but by the polices we are currently following it is stale. The Spanish Inquisition is news if you view it on a geologic time scale. --SVTCobra 02:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but this is ongoing, Gulf War Syndrome still effects hundreds of thousands of veterans and this ruling is very pertinent to today. The Spanish Inquisition however has no (or very little) relevance to actions taken today.  If we want to just let extremely important news go unreported on this website that's fine, or we can understand that just because this is a month late in coming out that doesn't mean that it isn't completely fine to publish it late because of how important the news is.Soapy (talk) 04:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The decision of the panel is not ongoing, it was made about 3 weeks ago. You chose to make this article about the decision of the panel and not the ongoing aspects of Gulf War Syndrome. --SVTCobra 17:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a little stale, and I considered adding that tag as well, but since the article creator was able to find a newly published source, and since Wikinews hadn't yet published an article on this important topic (weee, runon sentence!), I decided to let it slide, since it doesn't technically violate policy. Definitely a weak excuse on my part, but I like to see us publish major news whenever possible, so I used a technical loophole (the new source) to assuage my conscience;). Gopher65talk 23:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


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