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'Davos man' versus 'Camp Igloo'; 42nd World Economic Forum convenes in Swiss alps

January 26, 2012 Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel gave yesterday's opening address to the 42nd meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF), which is facing a distinctly different geo-political landscape from twelve months ago. Outside the WEF security cordon, in the sub-zero temperatures of ' train station car park, the local incarnation of the are setting up 'Camp Igloo'; but, with little hope of the archetypes of, 'Davos Man', arriving by public transport and seeing their sub-zero protest. David Roth, heading the Swiss centre-left's youth wing — and an organiser of 'Camp Igloo', echoes much of the sentiment from 'Occupy' protests around the world; "[a]t meetings the rest of society is excluded from, this powerful '1 percent' negotiates and decides about the fate of the other 99 percent of this world, [...] economic and financial concentration of power in a small, privileged minority leads to a dictatorship over the rest of us. The motto 'one person, one vote' is no longer valid, but 'one dollar, one vote'." Roth's characterisation of '', a term coined by the Professor of, is more emotive than that of the late professor who saw 'Davos man' as "[having...] little need for national loyalty, view[ing] national boundaries as obstacles that thankfully are vanishing, and see[ing] national governments as residues from the past whose only useful function is to facilitate the elite's global operations".

As Reuters highlights, many attendees will opt to make their way from Zurich to Davos by private jet, or helicopter, and the WEF itself provides handouts indicating the cost of such is 5,100 Swiss francs (approx. 5,500 USD, 3,500, 4,200 EUR). In contrast: travelling by rail, even when opting for first class — without an advance booking, is 145 Swiss francs (approx. 155 USD, 100 GBP).

Shifting fortunes see several past attendees missing this year's exclusive get-together in the alpine resort; for a second year running — and now caught up in the UK phone hacking scandal being scrutinised by Lord Leveson's inquiry — media mogul will not be attending. Nor will the former head of financial services company Oswald Gruebel, who resigned in the wake of US$2.3 billion losses incurred through unauthorised trading; likewise, Philipp Hildebrand, the ex-head of the, is absent following scandal associated with his wife's currency trading activities; and, although the sexual assault charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn were dropped, having stepped down as managing director of the International Monetary Fund Strauss-Kahn will also be absent.

As the #OccupyWEF protesters were building igloos last weekend, an anti-WEF protest in the Swiss capital was broken up by police, who stated their intent to prosecute participants in the illegal protest. Allegations of calls for violent protest action led to a high number of officers being involved. In the aftermath, charges of breach of the peace are to be brought against 153 people, with some targeted for more serious offences. At least one group involved in the protest described the police response as "disproportionate". At 'Camp Igloo' Roth says he is seeking discussions with the WEF's expected 2,000 attendees; but his voice, and that of others in the worldwide 'Occupy' movement, is unlikely to be given a platform in the opening debate, "Is 20th-century capitalism failing 21st-century society?" He, and others taking part in this Swiss incarnation of the 'Occupy' movement, are still considering an invite to a side-session issued by the World Economic Forum's founder, ; commenting on the invite Roth told the Associated Press they would prefer a debate at a more neutral venue.

A changing landscape of risks
As has been the case for several years now, the annual Forum meeting in Davos was preceded with the release of a special report by the World Economic Forum into risks seen as likely to have an impact the in the coming decade. The 2012 Global Risks Report is a hefty document; the 64-page report is backed with a variety of visualisation tools designed to allow the interrelations between risks to be viewed, how risks interact modelled, and their potential impacts considered — as assessed by the WEF's panel of nearly 500 experts. As one would expect, economic risks top both the 2012 impact and likelihood charts. Climate change is pushed somewhat further down the list of concerns likely to drive discussions in Davos. "Major systemic financial failure" — the collapse of a globally important financial institution, or world currency, is selected as the risk which carries the most potential impact.

However, "Chronic fiscal imbalances" — failing to address excessive government debt, and "Severe income disparity" — a widening of the the gulf between rich and poor, top the list of most likely risks.

At the other end of the tables, disagreeing respectively with the weight last year's Wikinews report gave to orbital debris, and the 's (MPAA) fight with the Internet over copyright legislation, the 2012 Global Risks Report places "Proliferation of Orbital Debris" and "Failure of intellectual property regime" bottom of the league in terms of potential impact.

In 2011, with the current global economic crisis well under-way, "Fiscal crises" topped the WEF risks with the largest potential impact in the next ten years. However, perceived as most likely a year ago, "Storms and cyclones", "Flooding", and "Biodiversity loss" — all climate-change related points — were placed ahead of "Economic disparity" and "Fiscal crises".

More mundane risks overtake the spectre of terrorism when contrasting this year's report with the 2011 one; volatility in the prices of commodities, consumer goods, and energy, and the security of water supplies are all now ranked as more likely risks than terrorism — though the 2011 report did rank some of these concerns as having a higher potential impact. A significant shift in perception sees the 2012 report highlight food shortages almost as likely a risk the world will face over the next decade; and, one with a far more significant impact.

Dealing on the Davos sidelines
Attending the World Economic Forum at Davos is more than just an opportunity to discuss the current state of the global economy, and review the risks which face countries around the world. With such a high number of political and business leaders in attendance, it is an ideal opportunity to pursue new trade deals. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is, in addition to being a keynote speaker, expected to pursue improved relations with European and Asian trade partners at private meetings on the Forum sidelines. The  reports Harper is likely to push forward an under-negotiation Canadian-European free-trade agreement, and hold closed-door discussions prior to next month's planned trip to China.

Similarly, Canadian trade minister is expected to meet South Korean counterparts to discuss an equivalent deal to the preferential ones between the Asian nation and the US and Europe. Fast's deal does, however, face opposition at home; the union asserts that such a deal would put 33,0000 jobs at-risk.

British Prime Minister David Cameron and chancellor George Osborne are expected to discuss a possible increase of UK funding to the International Monetary Fund (IMF); however, with the UK responsible for 4.5% of the US$400 billion in the IMF's lending fund, backbench MPs have warned that committing any additional funds could provoke a Conservative revolt in parliament. Tuesday's IMF cut of predicted global growth from 4% to 3.3%, warnings of a likely Eurozone recession in 2012, and ongoing problems with Greek financial restructuring, are likely discussion topics at Davos — as well as amongst UK backbench MPs who see adding to the IMF war-chest as bailing out failed European economies.

South Africa, less centre-stage during the 2011 Forum, will be looking to improve relationships and take advantage of their higher profile. President Jacob Zuma and several cabinet members are attending sessions and discussions; whilst former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown is to moderate a session, "Africa — From Transition to Transformation", with Nigeria, Guinea, and South Sudan's presidents on the panel. 's CEO is to lead a dinner session, "Shared Opportunities for Africa's Future" — highlighting larger multinationals looking towards the continent for new opportunities.

Davos may also serve as a place to progress disputes out of the public eye; a high-profile dispute between Chile's state-owned copper mining business,, and over the 5.39 billion USD sale of a near-quarter stake in their Chilean operations to Japan's , prompted the  to speculate that, as the respective company chiefs — Diego Hernández and Cynthia Carroll — are expected to attend, they could privately discuss the spat during the Forum.


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Talk:'Davos man' versus 'Camp Igloo'; 42nd World Economic Forum convenes in Swiss alps

Original reporting

 * The 2011 and 2012 reports are somewhat problematic to compare; several risks have been renamed, and the very easy to work with chart this year contrasts with a more interactive 'scatter plot' in 2011.

Below are links into the two reports, with highlighting of which plots/graphs are being compared. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

WEF 2012 report
The report (http://www.weforum.org/reports/global-risks-2012-seventh-edition) is a bit on the "interactive" side.

This makes drawing data out of the report easy, but also tricky to verify unless how facts are arrived at is explained. So, for reference:
 * 1) http://reports.weforum.org/global-risks-2012/#ol=data-explorer
 * The Risk List, use the impact and likelihood columns sort options to verify assertions on economic risks Davos will discuss.

WEF 2011 report
The 2011 report: http://riskreport.weforum.org/

This lacks a "risks list", instead substituting barometers (http://riskreport.weforum.org/#/0/1) and landscape (http://riskreport.weforum.org/#/?re_layout=1&re_IDs=).

Method of comparison
As the most-simple report to review, I've worked from th sortable 2012 report, then compared equivalent items with where they plot in the 2011 landscapes. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Interview segment
Just contacted @Occupy_WEF via twitter; am asking for an email contact address to sub a few questions (hardly a twitter-suitable discussion). Please chuck any questions in here ASAP! --Brian McNeil / talk 00:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

So-far, having not received an email to send more in-depth questions to, have messaged the following via twitter:
 * 1) Have you reached a decision yet on the invite from WEF founder Klaus Schwab, as-reported by the Associated Press?
 * 2) Do you consider Schwab's invite a last-minute PR exercise, or a more genuine concern over economic inequality?
 * 3) If there had been no "Occupy Wall Street" do you believe the failings of capitalism would top the WEF agenda?
 * 4) Did anyone get the train from Berne to Davos? How did the price compare to a 5,100 CHF private jet or helicopter flight?

"Conduct an interview with Q&A of 140 characters or less". The 'Occupy' movement do themselves a great disservice if they see that as "credible". --Brian McNeil / talk 01:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

With @Occupy_WEF obviously sleeping, I've sent out a handful of questions via email.
 * One set to the UK's Trades Union Congress
 * One set to the London office of Human Rights Watch.

Been working on this for much of the last 12 hours, and dont - yet - feel sleepy (sorry Pizero, that may mean more content). --Brian McNeil / talk 02:37, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Still zero response from Occupy_WEF.

For rail price comparison, used www.sbb.ch, looked up the next train Berne->Davos. First class ticket (no railcard) is 145CHF. Adding this in as a comparison. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Headline
Prefer single quotes in headlines. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 12:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, but any other headline remarks before multiple renames ensue? --Brian McNeil / talk 13:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

 * "Davos man" should be in single quotes just as "Camp Igloo", but this raises another point. Ultimately, the term "Davos man" should have some explanation in the article.  Coming to this cold (sorry), the term "Davos man" confused me.  The first source capitalized Man, making it look bizarrely like a personal name till I ferreted out the explanation of meaning and origin substantially further down in that source.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Incremental review
...would come in handy. Case in point. I've source-checked (copy/ver) the last paragraph of the intro, to do with Murdoch etc. And that's all I've source-checked. And I'm now off to get my hair cut. --Pi zero (talk) 18:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to put <--PiZ Review:OK, time--> start/end marks around any reviewed sections,... great! I've decided, with video taking an age (broke commons upload helper) that I'll defer 'til tommorow on pushing for publish. Hopefully a big chunk can then be cleared prior to 'formally subbing'. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Opening video
Seems (now I finally find a timetable) Merkel's opening address isn't until 17:00 UTC.

There's an opening press conference this AM, will try to capture and edit that as an alternative. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

On a lead
Seeking yet-another-Wikinews-first, I've done a cropped video for use on a front-page lead position.

That ought to have a few people's eyes on stalks. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Another point; in the absence of any kind of proper definition (I did look for one on Wikipedia), something should be done about this phrase 'mature economies'; explanation (and attribution if subjective), or replacement with a more suitable term. This is a much more minor issue I might have tried to fix myself but for the more problematic passage above. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Did that with the New zealand eartquake story on the last shorts, only to have it moved to opinions, so I thought this is where such information was expected to go. Will remember to include an actual link inthe edit summary if I do this again.--KTo288 (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


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Self-immolating law grad dies in Morocco

January 24, 2012

A 27-year-old law graduate who set himself on fire to protest graduate unemployment has died, according to his wife, the state news agency, and a hospital. Abdelouahab Zaidoun and a second protestor set themselves on fire at an Education Ministry building in Morocco's capital,.

Zaidoun had been receiving treatment in after carrying out his threat to set himself on fire when police allegedly denied food to protestors demanding public sector employment. Around 9% of Morrocans are jobless, but 15–16% of university graduates are amongst the unemployed. 8.5 million of the 32-million population are impoverished.

"I ask the human rights organizations for help in opening an investigation into whoever forbade the bread from going to the protesters," Zaidoun's 25-year-old wife Amina Naddam told The Associated Press, saying through tears she held the authorities responsible for his death. Naddam said her husband was from but migrated to protest.

The economy continues to grow by several percent per anum but the jobs market is unable to cope with demand. Prime Minister 's government seeks to create 200,000 new posts a year but Benkirane accepts this is largely dependant upon the private sector. The target is to reduce unemployment to 8%. After a two-week occupation of the building by protestors, police began preventing the delivery of food. Video showed Zaidoun being beaten by police as he retrieved bread thrown over the police's heads; a fellow protestor sets himself on fire and Zaidoun catches light himself when he joins the first self-immolator.

Zaidoun suffered burns to more than 50% of his body. The other protestor is recovering. Both were among the 1,000 members of the National Association of Unemployed Graduates, one of several such organisations. There is a large security presence around the hospital where he died.

The once-rare practice of self-immolation has become more known since set himself on fire in Tunisia in December 2010, giving rise to protests that saw the government ousted. His death in became symbolic of the, which grew out from the subsequent Tunisian protests.


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Hmmm. Don't know why it was moved; talk is for practical discussions about the article, comments is for opinions about the story itself, and edit history is for author attribution. (EDIT: The feedback form for casual readers directs a combination of both forms of discussion onto the comments page, which likely confuses matters.)


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Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/archives/2012/January

Attention Accredited Reporters!
In addition to an application by Laura Hale for Wikimedia Australia to provide funding for press pass/ID cards for accredited reporters, I have made a parallel application to Wikimedia UK.

If you're in a country not covered by one of these two chapters, and there is a local chapter, could you please approach them regarding contributing to the funding of this proposal? As-noted in the comments on the WK-UK proposal, I would also like to throw in business cards for each accredited reporter. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Automatic signing
Shouldn't Wikinews have an automatic signing bot (like on en). I understand that we do not have a signature policy, but wouldn't this be useful as well. We should ask that users and IPs sign their posts on talk pages on certain WN pages (like the water cooler). Take a look at for a good outline policy. I mean, ours does not have to be as extensive, but should at least ask for signage. I think this would give a little more of a professional feel to WN as a whole. Cocoaguytalkcontribs‽ 20:55, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Well,... wouldn't touch a signature policy with a ten-foot pole :-). We're not big on red tape around here, not for social interaction nor for anything else; what policies we have (and at least one of them is actually higher-priority even than IAR) are very non-Kafkaesque.  (BTW: calling en.wp "en" on en.wn? Tsk tsk for trolling. :-)

 * As for a bot. Hm.  We generally do get around to signing folks' unsigned comments, sooner or later, and our talk-page interactions here are by nature and culture less scripted than a bot would imply.  That is, perhaps, ultimately the difference in social interactions here vs en.wp:  they dance a neat and rigidly structured dance (the meter is provided by AGF); we improvise, making up new steps for each new, unique situation that comes along.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

 * We did used to have SineBot or similar, but it kept breaking down. Eventually it went away and never came back. Making policy seems overkill, but - although we do tend to get to unsigned comments nowadays - I wouldn't mind getting the bot back. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Though not actually in favor of a signature bot (I prefer not to trust bots more than necessary, and am e.g. happier to have a mechanism mostly-in-place now to facilitate manual creation of date categories), I'm not strongly opposed to a signature bot either. --Pi zero (talk) 19:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sundry sinebot-type implementations frequently break for me as I usually point people to Wikinews for talk interactions. The bot then decides my comments need "fixed". I've no strong opinion either way; but, I do feel that a computer program jumping on people's comments for lack of signature can easily be taken negatively. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

January 18 SOPA blackout
Per our sister wiki EN wikipedia and other websites, should we go dark on January 18, 2012 to protest US proposed law ? Phearson (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Have they decided to do that? I was aware there was some talk of it.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No Consensus as of yet, but it may seem likely. Phearson (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Where is it being discussed? (I'm only aware of some chatter on foundation-l.)  --Pi zero (talk) 16:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm not at-all in favour of such politicisation of the actual sites. If they want to do something, they'd move the actual Foundation out of the US; no servers on US soil, re-set up the WMF somewhere like the Netherlands, Norway or Sweden. And, tell people why the US is no longer "the land of the free". None of the projects are meant to be political in nature, nor do the vast majority of contributors want any adverts on them; to combine the two, fundraising adverts to "Move Wikipedia, and all sister projects, out of the United States before SOPA-like legislation is passed" would send a more effective message. If the legislation is passed, that would be the logical move anyway. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As I have stated elsewhere. Hosting in Europe is quite expensive. While I am all for moving to a "freer" land, why not use the foundation's influence to ensure that we are not sued out of existence from abuse of the proposed law, and avoid a costly move? There are bigger benefits to be had if this law did not pass... this is not about money for us, as we are funded by the public. Phearson (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Foundation wrote themselves into a corner with "NPOV is non-negotiable"; blacking out any wiki to make a political point (one which I strongly agree with obviously) is breaking a rule everyone supposedly supports.
 * My argument is the statement — "We're leaving if this goes through - please donate so we can." — will get through to your average reader far quicker; I can't imagine anyone in D.C. being comfortable when a constituent asks why they're going to pass a law forcing Wikipedia to seek political asylum in another country.
 * Laying out the consequences of SOPA in such stark terms is the WMF's job, not that of contributors. If it passes, they must move the infrastructure to where people can contribute knowledge without fear of the sanctions within SOPA; and, themselves to a legal jurisdiction where they are not bound to comply with US-issued court orders.
 * SOPA will keep popping up for the rest of this decade — in one form or another. Legislation is cheap as far as big movie studios are concerned; blacking out Wikipedia won't shame them, but proving to politicians the studios have set them up to look like idiots should be more effective. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Update English Wikipedia is going down on the January 17th.  Phearson (talk) 00:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's incorrect. It's happening on the 18th. --Yair rand (talk) 07:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * I am in support of such a shutdown, but I made it quite clear in the discussion on Wikipedia that consensus on English Wikipedia shouldn't affect other projects. I've been speaking to Foundation people and they are happy with project independence here. They won't be blacking out sites if they don't opt-in, and it's up to local admins on the projects to decide whether they are opting-in. If we do want to opt-in, we need to tell them as soon as possible. It's looking like there isn't consensus for it here, but if that consensus changes, we can opt-in. As I said, personally, I'm in support joining in the shutdown. I reject the idea that we mustn't do this due to NPOV: the content of the projects is NPOV, but the existence of the projects doesn't require us to be politically neutral, either at the Foundation level, the chapter level (depending on local laws), or the project level. Wikimedia projects are inherently and unashamedly for free content, free sharing of knowledge, free access and against barriers to those things. And to defend those values, we do sometimes need to act in support of those values. —Tom Morris (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * As Nominator, I support shutdown of EN Wikinews for 24 hours starting at 05:00 UTC on January 18, 2012. Phearson (talk) 02:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * The idea that the content is neutral but the act of providing it isn't, strikes me as sophistic. Acting to deprive the public of content is diametrically opposed to the mission of the project (actually, to the mission of the Foundation), and pretending the contradiction doesn't exist only makes the pretender hypocritical.

 * It does seem pretty clear that Wikipedia doesn't give much of a damn whether other projects join the blackout or not; I mean, really, my edits on Wikibooks are utterly trivial compared to my activity here, but I do check in there several times a day, and with time vanishingly short, I've not heard anyone say boo at Wikibooks about a blackout. Wikibooks being, seemingly, a much larger project than Wikinews, even a clean-cut consensus there would take serious time to establish, and nobody even bothered to ask, so it's way too late now.  Of course, I've long maintained that Wikibooks is really a collection of several thousand projects banded together for safety in numbers, most of them orders of magnitude smaller than Wikinews — but that just makes it far more hopeless to seek consensus, as one would need separate consensus for each book.  Carrying that to its logical conclusion ties back in to the earlier point about mission: just as the Foundation has no business telling a project to blank its content, the administrators of a project have no business telling the authors of an article to blank its content.  Which means that (1800, was it?) Wikipedians have no moral authority whatsoever to black out the content of all however-many-million articles Wikipedia has these days.  --Pi zero (talk) 03:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * the free access to the sum of all human knowledge. -- Cirt (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe such a shutdown would be wrong on the grounds that it violates our NPOV. How could we report objectively on SOPA in the future if we have shown opposition to it now? Maybe we should do some kind of awareness campaign about the wrongs of SOPA, like interview Jimbo or some other board member and ask him/her what they think is wrong with the act. But if we had to protest, I would support a splash page which talks about whats wrong with SOPA and how it could hurt the project. Cocoaguytalkcontribs ‽ 04:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * full-on blackout, because somebody needs to cover it. a black banner all day long using sitenotice and maybe a censorbar across the logo and a one-time editorial. Or better yet, invoking the 1996  and make the background black. ;) --Patrick M (TUFKAAP)  (talk) 06:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 * We don't do editorials; it'd be forsaking the principles of the project.

 * But as for a sitenotice, it depends entirely on what the sitenotice would say. Some sitenotice messages, it seems, would be entirely consistent with what Brian McNeil was saying earlier, while some other sitenotice messages would again be violating neutrality.  We'd have to hammer out ahead of time something the whole community would be united on.  --Pi zero (talk) 06:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


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perhaps there is a mistake but 100km/h? that doesn't sound like MagNev but like a steam engine.


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 * MagLev


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Thread:Comments:China to run low-cost maglevs by next year/wording/reply (2)

Some maglev isn't high-speed (by rail standards). At high speeds, friction with the rails would be prohibitive, but at lower speeds it's still wasteful.


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...Maglevs don't touch the rails.


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Well, I checked the sources and they do say 100km/h. I rather suspect the low speed is connected to the 'low-cost' part. You get what you pay for.


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The "Rabat" photograph actually shows the Grand Socco in Tanger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Socco).
 * If you click through on the image to the Commons page, you can challenge the shown location better there. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I opened up the two pics side by side and I'm not seeing it, I must admit. The details look rather different in each. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

The photographs in the news story and in the Wikipedia article are from opposite sides of the square. Any Google images search for Grand Socco will show you also the other side, the one from the news story image. E.g. http://www.redoveryellow.com/trips/morocco/50489_Grand_Socco_Tangier.jpg. And, I have no idea how to "click through to the Commons page".

 * To "click through to the Commons page":
 * Click on the image. That takes you to the image page on Wikinews.  On that image page, just below the image itself, should be a banner that says "This free media file is from Wikimedia Commons. Its description page is included below."  The words "description page" are a link; click on it.  That takes you to the Commons image page.
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Queensland state Premier announces March 24 election date

January 26, 2012

Queensland's  has announced the state is to hold its elections on Saturday, March 24; however, in an unusual move, she did not advise the governor to issue the writs for the election.

"I intend to call the 2012 State election for Saturday the 24th of March," said Bligh, Leader of the incumbent Australian Labor Party.

Local government elections, originally scheduled for March 31, will now be scheduled for late April.

"Why are 73 local government elections around Queensland being pushed back? That adds more months of uncertainty when she has had a year to separate out the two elections," said Leader of the, Campbell Newman. Newman will have to win the seat of Ashgrove if he is to become premier.

The two major parties are expected to face some strong competition in a number of seats from the, the recently formed , and independent candidates.

"There is undeniably a strong mood to change the government, but voters should not feel forced into giving up on their progressive views or their desire for some long-term vision and a more principled approach to politics," said Greens lead candidate Adam Stone who is contesting the Mt Coot-tha seat.

The election process is expected to formally get underway on February 19 when the premier expects to advise the governor to issue the required writs.


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User talk:Cleofellemorgan

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User talk:A word to fly on

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User talk:Rafiqchara

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User talk:Ak1990

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User talk:Andreamonteneri

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Talk:Queensland state Premier announces March 24 election date

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Original research is based on the 2009 results for the seat of Mt Coot-tha, as verified here.

DS4SEQ aren't running candidates this time around, as per this post on their Facebook page. --RockerballAustralia c 08:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Review of revision 1382187 [Not ready]
Oh, one other item I'd noted: the last paragraph is copy-pasta from the press release; surely we can do better than that. --Pi zero (talk) 14:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The one paragraph I've not mentioned at all is the second-to-last (sixth). I'm leery of it, but did not source-check it in this review.  By process of elimination it must be where the OR comes in.  The words "stiff competition" sound non-neutral, but I can't know how much of a problem that is till I've source-checked it.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


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User talk:Lauzvesong

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User talk:Oposumas2000

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User talk:Glykanera

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User talk:Seoukimsan

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User talk:Alex Mikhalenko

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User talk:Ssntwest

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User talk:Gangaram rajbhar

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User talk:Rdamno

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User talk:Tengkiu

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User talk:Deemox

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User talk:Login786

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User talk:Coccyxgrue

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User talk:Kural.m

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User talk:Spacoom

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User talk:Santa346

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User talk:Elnur02

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