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Light bulbs
Incandescent light bulbs eh? I'm taking it Molossia is a green nation. ;) Anyways, do we really need all this Molossia coverage, I like micronations and I find them interesting, but, this is a bit overkill, IMO. --TUFKAAP (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.42.193 (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Its a bit overkill. You know what would be hilarious though? Smuggling light bulbs into the country with some overly elaborate operation. On a serious not, not news worthy, take it down. 71.237.193.200 23:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Please, stop with these stupid articles, nobody cares about your dumb "Micronation". Thanks.

I agree, the first couple were cute/interesting but we still don't know if there are any other people in Molossia than Kevin Baugh. These articles ought to dig deeper, if they should continue at all. --SVTCobra 01:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we not supposed to be unique? Someone somewhere thought this interesting enough to read, including you two. The idea for us to do this, small but yet interesting stories is what makes us different from everyone else. We don't have to like everything we read, but we certainly don't have to insult it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As to overkill: I am getting a little bored with hearing "we have too much of something, so lets stop writing about it." That's not what a news site does. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I hear you, I spent quite a time defending my own local article today. My point with the Molossia articles is that somehow we never learn any more about Molossia. Not once have I ever read how many people live there or anything that is of normal interest to people. It is always these pseudo-political stories about "international" visits and "customs". It never gets deep or "real" if you will. --SVTCobra 02:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Forget the Molassia thin for a second. This is an article about a COUNTRY BUILDING CUSTOMS STATION. Who gives a fuck if a country builds a customs station. I'm sure custom stations are built all the time. Its not newsworthy. Its the status quo. The fact that Molassia is only inhabited by Kevin Baugh makes it so much more irrelevant. I accept that at some level, this article reports on information, but it is useless information. It goes in the encyclopedia, not the newspaper. Rekov (talk) 05:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually Molassia has a perminant population of 12 people. Most being Kevin Baughs immediate family. It was mentioned in the film Kickassia by tgwtg.com which took place in Molassia.

Never heard of this nation
I don't know about you but I've never heard of this place, so IMO not exactly notable but meh.-Ryan524 (talk) 03:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Who?
Who the hell is writing these articles anyway??? Is it there so called president or what?

policy
Does this material run the risk of bringing the news-service into disrepute? Could it be being manipulated by supporters of the project? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 12:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

What is Molossia?
I'm not sure but it sounds like this might be a "fake" or "made up" country. I looked on maps and could not find it any where. I think wikinews is getting tricked here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 (talk) 13:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Molassia is a real micronation. It is a country inhabited by Kevin Baugh and his family. The country is not currently recognized by the UN, or any of its members. Information on Molassia can be found here: http://www.molossia.org/countryeng.html Rekov (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

freedom : no more, no less.

 * Every one is free to write on any subjects as long it as sources and the writing is not to bad(and the author had fun to write it). Every one is free to leave alone the subject not reading it. (for example, i did not know who is/was Dottie Rambo)
 * Of course, if 80% of the article is about Molossia, we have a problem, sir. A bit like Scientology articles ... no more, no less. Jacques Divol (talk) 14:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that we should discriminate against micronations such as the Republic of Molassia, but the building of a customs station just isnt news. Its like writing an article about my toaster successfully toasting bread. Countries build customs stations. Toasters toast bread. Its not news. Rekov (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't mean it's not news; yes toasters toast bread, but one in a hundred is bound to malfunction and have ashes pop up from the slot. Not every micronation has a customs station, so Molossia can be the malfunctioning toaster. --64.9.42.139 21:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

wait, is this legal.
if you were to be invaded and potentially killed, would that be legal becuase it is not on american soil??


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Dottie Rambo dies in tour bus crash

May 12, 2008 74-year-old American gospel singer and writer Joyce 'Dottie' Rambo died Sunday morning when her tour bus crashed into a highway embankment in southwestern Missouri.

The wreck occurred two miles east of Mount Vernon, Missouri, along Interstate 44. Police say six other people were hospitalized with moderate to severe injuries in Springfield. Dottie was headed for a Mother's Day concert in North Richland Hills, Texas, when the accident occurred.

"I know Dottie is in heaven in the arms of God right now, but our earth angel will surely be missed," said Dolly Parton in a statement. A spokesperson for her recording label confirmed to a Knoxville, Tennessee television station that Dottie was asleep at the time of the accident.

Dottie started her career at the age of 12, and has written more than 2,500 songs since. She won a Grammy Award in 1968 for her album entitled "The Soul of Me". She was inducted into several halls-of-fame including the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2007, and into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame twice, first as a soloist in 1982 and again in 2001 as a member of the Rambos singing group with her daughter and Buck Rambo, former husband. Her newest album is set for release this summer and is entitled "Sheltered".

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Image
The image needs a fair-use rationale. --SVTCobra 00:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, don't think much about the complex licensing requirements when I am trying to put it all together, but I added a short fair-use rationale. What I added should be sufficient.--Ryan524 (talk) 03:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, yeah, that was short. I'm not sure it touches on all the requirements, and it fails to address why a high-resolution image is used. Did you read the FAQ that I linked on your talk page? --SVTCobra 00:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do we even need the unfree image? If there was a freely licensed image of this person then sure go ahead and use it but just because there isn't people shouldn't automatically try to claim fair use, simply considering not including a photo of the person. Of course it is nice to include an image but we're trying to create a freely licensed news source here and our use of unfree image hampers the reuse of our articles going against our primary aim and so should be very much limited to exceptional circumstances. Adambro (talk) 08:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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Against Nature ! !
It is not possible to fight against nature.

ITS SAD TO HEAR THIS, THE EARTHQUAKE WHICH AFFECTED CHINA... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.7.34 (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Out of Date
Nearly 42,000 people are reported dead and 260,000 injured, this is very sad, my mom and dad have already donated 250 USD. Please update this information for people to see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.33.18 (talk) 04:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
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Ummmm...why do we have this? Just wondering. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * These links do link to news? I would be glad to take it else where, please just let me know what the community consensus is. --Remi (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am just curious to what you are doing is all. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also I never said to stop...I am just simply interested in what you are doing. Maybe the users can benefit from it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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Wikinews talk:To-Do List

Obituaries
If you're feeling morbid, why not write an obituary for someone who's not actually dead yet?

 * Say what?!? - how does that help?
 * The idea is that everyone will die eventually, so we'll have the story ready in prep. (Personally though I'm not sure this is exactly the best thing to have on this list). Bawolff ☺☻ 03:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually on an episode of CSI: Miami a guy is killed while talking to a reporter on the phone who is trying to prepare his obituary without him knowing of course, for when he does die. Dosen't seem to far fetched for me that major news places have premade obituaries kept up-to-date for famous people.-Ryan524 (talk) 03:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, in fact, extremely common, for news agencies to have pre-prepared obituaries for major figures, and I believe they're mostly done during quieter times. One of the episodes of Frontline (Australian TV series) (a satire set in the office of a current affairs show) has such a preparation as a running gag. It's something we haven't done as much of here, but it is one of those things that you can do that isn't about super-fast, breaking news, get-it-published-while-it's-still-newsworthy article writing which is why I put it here. Priorities would obviously be people who are more likely to die in the near future (octogenarians and above, those known to have various life-threatening illnesses) and people whose deaths will cause the greatest stirs (and hence we'd like to have as lead article as soon as possible). Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 05:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was actually the one who commented "how does that help". It was a bit late and I wasn't up to my usual cognitive skills and forgot to sign. While I realize that most reputable newspapers prepare obits, what I meant to comment was that in my time at Wikinews we have never used one of our prepared obits. We have them for a great number of people, but whenever one of them actually dies, someone always starts a new article without consulting the prepared obits. That is why I say, "how does it help?" While this will likely not be the definitive example, I have added to Story preparation/Senator Ted Kennedy dies at age XX, to make it closer to a useful article in the event of Kennedy's death. Time will have to show if this prep gets used when he eventually does die, or if someone starts a new article. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In which case, good point. Do you know of a case where we've had a prepared obit that wasn't used? Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 04:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Where are the commits? CoachZeeeee (talk) 10:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Moldovan wines win three medals at contest in Bordeaux

May 13, 2008

Moldovan wine producers took three silver medals at the third annual international contest of wine tasting and judging of strong alcoholic beverages, the "Concours Mondial de Bruxelles 2008". This year the event was held in Bordeaux, France. Previously, the event was held in Portugal and in Maastricht in 2007 and will held in Spain next year.

Moldovan wine makers participated with 12 types of wine. The medals went to the wines produced by the stock company Acorex Wine Holding, Amaro de la Valea Perjei 2003, Pinot Grigio/ Aligote/ Sauvignon Blanc 2005 and Pinot Noir 2005, with the last two being from the Private reserve series.

Last year's fourteenth edition of the contest, held in the Netherlands in 2007, Moldovan wines won three gold medals and three silver ones.


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Pakistan's coalition government faces split

May 13, 2008 Pakistan's coalition government will be no more, announced Nawaz Sharif, leader of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) and former Prime Minister. The coalition, which was formed between the PML-N and the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), was said to have reached a disagreement over the restoration of judges fired by President Pervez Musharraf in November 2007.

According to party spokesman Sidiqul Farooq, the 9 PML-N ministers in government will hand in their resignation papers to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani on Tuesday afternoon.

Sharif blamed the PPP for failing to meet deadlines to restore the senior judges fired by Musharraf, which was Sharif's main condition for joining the coalition. The latest deadline for reinstating the judges was set for May 12, as talks between Sharif and PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari ended in London without reaching any deal. The government had originally promised to reinstate the judges by April 30.

Most of the disagreement lies within the question of how much power should be returned to the judges. Sharif has campaigned for a total reinstatement of power, while Zadari favors constitutional amendments that would limit their power.

Information Secretary Ehsan Iqbal, one of the ministers who will be resigning, supported Sharif's campaign for reinstatement. He called the series of events "a defining moment" for Pakistan. "Without the rule of law, without an independent judiciary, the country cannot move ahead democratically or constitutionally," he said.

At a press conference, Sharif said he will contest the by-elections on August 18, which could earn him a seat in Parliament. The Pakistan Peoples Party say they will not put a candidate against him in the elections.

"A day will come when the judges shall be restored," Sharif said. "If we surrender on this issue to the wishes of the military dictator, it will take us generations before we get an independent judiciary." He also said that despite quitting the government, he wishes to continue supporting the PPP-led government on an issue-by-issue basis. "We will not become part of any conspiracy to destabilize the democratic process," he said.

The Pakistan Peoples Party responded in a statement. They called the announcement of resignation "a pause in the process and not a break in the purpose of restoration of judges". They also said they do not intend to fill the vacated ministries, hoping the issue can be solved "amicably and in a spirit of accommodation and mutual trust".

Some analysts fear the judicial dispute will extend further, leaving the government unable to focus on more important issues facing the country. "This is a huge setback for the government," said Shuja Nawaz, a Pakistani security analyst in Washington, D.C.. "This crisis will distract attention from critical issues, and the real losers will be the people of Pakistan."


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To Hell with the experts
Aid may be ineffective without "on-the-ground experts", but it's utterly useless if neither the experts nor the aid can even get into the country. --Kitch (talk) 11:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


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News
Are you sure this is newsworthy. Anonymous101  16:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like it is to me. Wikinews has covered Molossia several times in the past, and if I remember correctly, the articles generated quite a bit of interest. This may not be 'real' news as most people would put it, but it's humorous, and a little funny goes a long way.65.116.124.32 16:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You should check out the discussion on the opinions page. I believe that the article is not newsworthy. This is not because it is about Molassia, but because it is about a country building a customs station, which just isnt news. Rekov (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

editprotected  - Tag should be removed. This is clearly an exception the single source rule. —Calebrw (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hello and a piece of advice
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Send me no wine!
from Youtube --Brian McNeil / talk 17:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


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Former Emir of Kuwait dies at age 78

May 13, 2008 The Diwan-Amiri confirmed that the former Emir of Kuwait Sheikh Saad Al-Abdullah Al-Salim Al-Sabah passed away today at his residence in Kuwait City. He was 78 years old.

He suffered colon problems which led to surgery, and numerous visits back and forth between England, the United States and India. Sheikh Saad was married to Sheikha Latifa Fahad Al-Sabah.

He was born in 1930 in Kuwait.He served as emir from January 15 to January 24, until a vote by the National Assembly of Kuwait nominated Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah in place of Sheikh Saad as Emir due to illness issues.

Sheikh Saad Al-Sabah was the 14th Emir of Kuwait. Born 1930, to the late Sheikh Abdullah III Al-Salim Al-Sabah, and was the eldest son. Sheikh Saad continued his studies in the UK, at Hendon Police College, London.

During his reign in Kuwait, he introduced new police and security systems, and issued an amiri decree to establish a police academy.

The late Emir will be buried tomorrow in the Sulaibikhat graveyard, Wednesday May 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM (Kuwait Time).

The King of Saudi Arabia expressed his condolences in response to the death. The website of the state of Kuwait reported that "his Highness the Amir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah received a telephone call Tuesday from Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud in which he extended his sincere condolences on the passing of Father Amir Sheikh Saad Al-Abdullah Al-Salem Al-Sabah."

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Car crash on A37 near Bristol, two dead

May 13, 2008 Two people have died due to a recent car crash in Shepton Mallet, near Bristol, United Kingdom.

The incident occurred when a Honda Civic Type R car swerved off the road. Police reports suggest that the car hit a tree, causing the two fatalities.

The incident resulted in the closure of the A37 road, where the incident occurred, for several hours. It reopened at 01:00 UTC today.

Avon and Somerset police appealed for information regarding the crash:

Police would like to speak to anyone who may have witnessed the collision or may have been travelling on the A37 at the time.

Anyone who can help is asked to contact the Collision Investigation Unit on 0845 4567000 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555111.

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Title?
I have published, but I fear the title may be uninformative to international readers. Perhaps a change of "...Shepton Mallet car crash" --> "...car crash (on A37?) near Bristol" would be good? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for reviewing the article Anonymous101  19:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Relevance
My sympathy to the families of the victims. How is this story relevant worldwide? If we were to make an article each time two or more died in an auto accident, that would comprise most of the articles and be extraordinarily boring reading. Last I checked (probably 15 or 20 years ago), 200 people die in the U.S. in drunken-driving accidents daily, which brings me to a thought: we could have a "still true" section to help readers put stories in perspective and keep urgent facts near the forefront. -- en:User:Ke4roh  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.107.34 (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Late Emir of Kuwait passes away
Thanks for your edits to Late Emir of Kuwait passes away. I have promoted the article to the fourth lead. Anonymous101  19:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfourtunately the event is not eligible for inclusion on the Wikipedia main page Anonymous101  20:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The image you uploaded to Commons from 248am.com does not appear to have been released under the GNU license that you ascribed to it. I suspect that it will be deleted at Commons. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Five of six accused over 9/11 to be tried; charges against '20th hijacker' dropped

May 13, 2008

Five men out of six accused of involvement in the September 11 attacks have been referred to trial by the Guantanamo military commission. The war crimes tribunal also dropped charges against Mohammed Qahtani, who is alleged to have been the '20th hijacker', although they were dropped "without prejudice" so the Saudi Arabian can still be re-charged.

All six men are currently being held in maximum security at the United States naval base at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay. Under the 2006 Military Commissions Act those charged must be arraigned within 30 days and have their trial commenced within four months.

The men are accused of plotting the attacks, in which four passenger airliners were hijacked in US airspace. One was flown into each tower of the World Trade Center, one was flown into the Pentagon and the fourth crashed in a Pennsylvania field. Almost 3,000 people were killed. 19 hijackers were involved, with one aircraft having four hijackers compared to five on the others, triggering theories concerning a 20th hijacker. It is alleged that Qahtani missed out on this role because he was unable to get past anti-immigration measures to upon arrival in Florida, where head hijacker Mohammed Atta is said to have been waiting.

Those who are set to go to trial are alleged members of Al-Qaeda, who were found to be responsible for the attacks. They are Walid bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, Mustafa Ahmed Hawsawi and alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

They have all been charged with conspiracy, murder in violation of the laws of war, attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, destruction of property, terrorism and material support for terrorism while all but Hawsawi are charged with hijacking aircraft as well.

Some concern has been made over alleged human rights abuses. Officials have said themselves that Qahtani was harshly treated in imprisonment and Khalid was subjected to waterboarding.

Qahtani also withdrew an earlier confession saying it was obtained from him under torture. He submitted a detailed written account describing abuse he alleges against him including beatings, being forced into uncomfortable positions for long periods, threats with dogs, exposure to music at high volume, being subjected to freezing temperatures and being forced to appear naked in front of female personnel.

The arraignments will take place at the high security Guantanamo war crimes tribunal, and will mark the first public appearances of the men since their capture. The trial will mark the first in front of a US war crimes tribunal since World War Two, and the first capital one at this tribunal as prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for all of the men.


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Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church

May 13, 2008

The Wikimedia Foundation has received a copyright infringement claim from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, widely known as the Mormon Church or LDS Church. The infringement claim is in reference to a URL used as a source in a Wikinews article about Mormon Church documents leaked to the website Wikileaks, titled "Copy of handbook for leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints obtained by Wikinews". The URL was originally cited as a link in the sources subsection of the article. The Wikimedia Foundation is a donor-supported non-profit organization which runs Wikipedia and Wikinews. This is the first time that the Wikimedia Foundation has received a copyright infringement claim regarding an article published by Wikinews.

The Wikinews article, originally published on April 19, described material in the Church Handbook of Instructions. The work is a two-volume book of policies and is a guide for leaders of the Mormon Church. Wikinews obtained the Church Handbook of Instructions from Wikileaks, a whistleblower website which publishes anonymous submissions of sensitive documents while preserving the anonymity of its contributors. Wikileaks describes the material as significant because "...the book is strictly confidential among the Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka LDS in short form) bishops and stake presidents and it reveals the procedure of handling confidential matters related to tithing payment, excommunication, baptism and doctrine teaching (indoctrination)."

The material was released on the Wikileaks website on April 16, and according to the site was first made available on the document sharing website Scribd. A message at Scribd now states: "This content was removed at the request of copyright agent B. S. Broadbent of the Intellectual Property Division of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

On May 5, the Wikimedia Foundation received a copyright infringement claim from Intellectual Reserve, Inc., the legal entity that owns the intellectual property of the Mormon Church. The infringement claim is addressed to Jimmy Wales, the designated agent of the Wikimedia Foundation, and requests that access to the link to Wikileaks be removed. The link was removed from the article on May 5 by a Wikinews administrator, and the article remains available without the link. The infringement claim was sent by Berne S. Broadbent, president of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. and director of the Intellectual Property Division of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. According to Mike Godwin, general counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, the Mormon Church has not filed a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) notice with the foundation.

In 1999, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, prominent critics of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, released material from the Church Handbook of Instructions to the Internet through their organization Utah Lighthouse Ministry, without including the copyright notice of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or obtaining permission from the church. The website of the Utah Lighthouse Ministry describes as its purpose: "...to document problems with the claims of Mormonism and compare LDS doctrines with Christianity." The Tanners had received a copy of the 1998 edition of Church Handbook of Instructions from an anonymous sender in October 1999. They published 17 pages of the 160-page handbook on the Utah Lighthouse Ministry website.

The church sent the Tanners a letter threatening a copyright infringement lawsuit if the material was not removed, and the Tanners removed the material from their site the same day, and posted the church's letter to their website. The website still contained links to other locations that had the material, and an article in the Salt Lake Tribune listed addresses of these links. The church sued the Tanners through its company Intellectual Reserve, in the 1999 case Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry.

The plaintiffs filed their complaint on October 13, 1999, and the United States district court issued a preliminary injunction on December 6, 1999 barring posting of the material by the defendants as well as posting links to other websites which contain the material. The New York Times and other news publications called the injunction a "chilling effect". In November 2002, the church dropped the lawsuit against Utah Lighthouse Ministry, on condition that the Tanners destroy all copies of the Church Handbook of Instructions, and not include more than 50 words at a time from the handbook in any of their future articles.

Wikileaks has received copyright infringement claims from organizations including the Church of Scientology's Religious Technology Center and the Swiss Bank Julius Baer, and the Chinese government attempts to censor every website with the word "wikileaks" in the web page address. Bank Julius Baer sued Wikileaks after sending cease and desist letters in January 2008 which cited the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. As a result of the lawsuit, the bank obtained an injunction preventing the site's domain name registrar from associating with Wikileaks, but this injunction was lifted in March 2008 and Bank Julius Baer dropped the case.

As of May 13 Wikileaks had not taken down the material on the Church Handbook of Instructions, and a second webpage at the site with a different version of the material was also still available. In a statement to Wikinews, a Wikileaks representative commented on the material hosted at the site: "WikiLeaks will not remove the handbooks, which are of substantial interest to current and former Mormons. WikiLeaks will remain a place where people from around the world can safely reveal the truth."


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Full quote from Wikileaks statement
Cults such as Scientology abuse copyright law, a state aparartus intended to fund authors of public works, to hide from public scrutiny and prevent the formation of dissident groups. If the Church of Latter-day Saints wants to be taken seriously as a religion it would be well advised to follow a different path. WikiLeaks will not remove the handbooks, which are of substantial interest to current and former mormons. WikiLeaks will remain a place were people from around the world can safely reveal the truth. -- Wikileaks Full quote from Wikileaks statement. Cirt (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No DMCA?
Does this mean that the WN:DR for Copy of handbook for leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints obtained by Wikinews should be reopened? --SVTCobra 23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware what was received was a claim of "copyright infringement", via a letter, but according to Mike Godwin this was not itself a "DMCA notice", as per his email to the Wikinews list. Cirt (talk) 23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd need to check what (IIRC) Craig posted. It is an easy mistake to confuse a copyright infringement claim with a DMCA notice. This, I think, is the better of the two articles to go with and effectively supersedes the other. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Supercedes"? This one could not have existed without the history of the previous article.  And aside from that, the result of the (currently frozen) Deletion Request discussion appears to be "no consensus" at present.  I think we should most certainly retain both.  Cirt (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I think I'd close the DR. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, closed by as "no consensus" .  That took a while.  Cirt (talk) 10:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But no consesus was reached because the DR was halted/frozen before time, due to the "DMCA notice". Shouldn't it be reopened? --SVTCobra 13:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it should be reopened. What I'm more concerned about is this article being listed on WN:DR. Adambro, I've never seen you once post on the checkuser-l mailing list, you are subscribed? You do follow the IRC channel? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's odd, since you voted to delete it, have you changed your mind about that article? (why are you talking to Adam here? I don't think he has posted in this thread) --SVTCobra 14:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Update: The previous article's Deletion Request discussion was closed by as "no consensus", but now this article has a Deletion Request discussion ongoing, started by. Cirt (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Update - closed as Speedy keep, after hitting the front page of Slashdot. - Cirt (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Name of this article
From The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, widely known as the LDS Church or the Mormon Church..." -- going with the title "Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church" for this article because "Mormon Church" is a "widely known" term for the church, and "Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is just way too long of a name/headline. Cirt (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please discuss before changing the name of this article. Cirt (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Licensing
For potential re-use on Wikipedia:
 * I hereby license all my contributions to this article under GFDL in addition to Wikinews' CC-BY-2.5 license. (However I would suggest citing the same sources that I give as sources at the bottom of this article, same as prior articles.) -- Cirt (talk) 05:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

you don't need as CC-BY-2.5 is compatible with GFDL licence (but not in the reverve). In order to remember: Knowledge goes to Wikipedia !!! (i do not remember the verse number sorry)(i joke of course, nothing more :) Jacques Divol (talk) 09:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * has requested this be done, for cross-use at The Wikipedia Signpost, so you'd have to ask him to explain the rationale. Cirt (talk) 09:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Carried by
Will list below. Cirt (talk) 05:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Foundation receives copyright claim from church, 15 May 2008, The Wikipedia Signpost
 * Mormon Church attempts to gag Internet over handbook - 14 May 2008 - Wikileaks, the article is copied at Wikileaks, and Wikinews is attributed.
 * And that page has been Slashdotted - Mormon Church Goes After WikiLeaks - 14 May 2008 - Slashdot
 * Wikitrouble - 14 May 2008, blog of The Salt Lake Tribune, links to this article
 * Mormon Church Sues Wikileaks - 14 May 2008, Uncorrelated, quotes a large chunk of this article, but credits/links back to the Wikileaks page of it.
 * Mormon Church attempts to gag Internet over handbook - 14 May 2008, American Buddhist Net (portion of article copied, Wikinews given attribution.)
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 14 May 2008, TREWS.org
 * Breaking Religious News and Utah News, at Big News Network.com, for May 14, 2008
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 14 May 2008, alt.religion.scientology
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 13 May 2008, Men's News Daily
 * WikiLeaks Press Release -	Tue May 13 23:29:12 BST 2008 - Wikileaks (Part of the article is used there, cited to Wikinews) - "WikiLeaks has yet to release an additional statement about this issue however WikiNews, which received a legal notice for merely linking one of its stories to the material on WikiLeaks has released a good article on the demands"
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 13 May 2008, Mormonism News, transfigurism.org
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 13 May 2008, Free Republic
 * Wikimedia Foundation receives copyright infringement claim from Mormon Church - 13 May 2008, Recovery Board, exmormon.org, Portion of the article is quoted, with attribution and link given to Wikinews

Publicised by Wikileaks
Wikileaks mailing list has either spotted this, or been notified of it.

The message is on wikileaks' mailing list, which the archive of is only available to subscribers. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the message at the Wikileaks mailing list the same as this ? Cirt (talk) 10:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it is. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

This article is linked through the Front Page of Slashdot, right now
http://slashdot.org/ = Front page of Slashdot That Slashdot post links to:
 * And that page at Wikileaks copies this article, attributes it back to Wikinews, and links back to, you guessed it, yes, that's right - right here to this article. Cirt (talk) 15:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And that page at Wikileaks copies this article, attributes it back to Wikinews, and links back to, you guessed it, yes, that's right - right here to this article. Cirt (talk) 15:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sources post publish
Well, that is, in addition to those already cited above. Cirt (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Digg link to this one is on the front page of Digg.com, right now . Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Not news
Sorry I didn't get to comment on the deletion request but IMO this is not news. 100s of DMCA notices are sent every day. Anonymous101  16:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently Ars Technica and the front page of Slashdot disagree with you. Cirt (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't judge newsworthiness based on popularity on other sites. Digg front page has "New Sites Make It Easier To Spy on Your Friends". It is not newsworthy in any way and we shouldn't consider it such. I think that Google search results have linked received these almost daily.  Anonymous101   16:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ,, , and myself all also expressed sentiments that the article is newsworthy.  Cirt (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Name of the Church
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/style-guide

"The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.— While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use.

When writing about the Church, please follow these guidelines:

In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please avoid the use of “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church” or “the Church of the Latter-day Saints.” When a shortened reference is needed, the terms “the Church” or “the Church of Jesus Christ” are encouraged. When referring to Church members, the term “Latter-day Saints” is preferred, though “Mormons” is acceptable. "Mormon” is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon, Mormon Tabernacle Choir or Mormon Trail, or when used as an adjective in such expressions as “Mormon pioneers.” The term “Mormonism” is acceptable in describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ...” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.175.18 (talk) 04:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That appears to be some sort of preferred style guide, however unfortunately that is not the convention, as made apparent in numerous usage in news/media coverage. 36,700 results for "Mormon Church" in Google News. 2,590 results for "Mormon Church" at Google books.  And 1,730,000 results for "Mormon Church" in a regular Google search.  Cirt (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 83,900 results for "LDS Church" at Google news, 1141 results for "LDS Church" at Google Books, and 1,550,000 results for "LDS Church" at Google. Cirt (talk) 04:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The exact same post was made by this IP to Wikipedia. Cirt (talk) 04:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The phrase "Mormon Church" appears 3 times in the article "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" in the encyclopedia Encarta by Davis Bitton, M.A., Ph.D., professor of history at the University of Utah. Cirt (talk) 05:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Funk & Wagnalls New World Encyclopedia also uses the term "Mormon Church" to refer to the church in its main article on "Mormonism" (also written by Davis Bitton, M.A., Ph.D.). Cirt (talk) 05:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While not exactly in line with the style guide of the LDS Church (although they should be allowed to determine what the name of their own church is), the Associated Press Stylebook says that the full name of the church should be used initially, and the term Mormon Church can be used after that. Headlines are not addressed as being the initial use or not.  If the style guide of the subject is not to be used, then I would think that the AP Stylebook should be the journalistic standard to be used by WikiNews.  Alanraywiki (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Link/reference please? Cirt (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I went to our university library for a copy of the Associated Press Stylebook, printed in Cambridge Mass by Perseus c2002 with ISBN-10: 046500489X. It's a copyrighted book so I do not believe there is a link for it, but it should be readily available in any public library. Alanraywiki (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I will consult this reference and get back to you. Cirt (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My rather old copy of the AP style guide says: "Mormon church is acceptable in all references, but always include the proper name in a story dealing primarily with church activities".--Cspurrier (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If that is the case then that is exactly what was done in this article. Cirt (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The - Note the capitalization and punctuation of Latter-day. Mormon church, LDS church, or the Latter-day Saints can be used, but the official name is preferred in first reference in a story dealing primarily with church activities. (Page 48) and Mormon church - Acceptable in references to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but the official name is preferred in first reference in a story dealing primarily with church activities. (Page 162) Again, precisely what was done in this article. Cirt (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Goldstein, Norm. The Associated Press Stylebook, Basic Books; Rev Ed edition (June 29, 2004) ISBN: 0465004881, Pages 48, 162.
 * As for headlines, here are some utilizing the term "Mormon Church", in main stream media: The Washington Post, International Herald Tribune, The New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, USA Today, The Associated Press, Deutsche Welle, Boston Herald, CNN, Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Cirt (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


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Coordinated series of bombs kills at least 80 in India

May 14, 2008 According to police sources, a series of seven coordinated bombs detonated in Jaipur, the capital of the state Rajasthan, in India on Tuesday, May 13. At least eighty people were killed and over two hundred injured in the attacks.

The bombs went off over a period of twenty minutes and tore through the city's crowded bazaars, beginning at 7:20 p.m. IST (UTC+5:30). An eighth bomb, which did not go off, was recovered. Ten of the dead were children.

In the wake of the bombing, a daytime curfew has been in place. "The curfew is a precaution to ensure peace," said Vasundhara Raje, the Chief Minister of Rajasthan.

On Wednesday, two arrests were announced. "We have arrested two people and have detained several more for questioning," said Vasundhara Raje. "This seems to have been done by some international group," she added, in a comment that was intrepreted by The Daily Telegraph to suggest Pakistan-based Islamic militants.

The President of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani both condemned the Jaipur bombings.


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University hosting panel continues discussion on Wikipedia ethics without Wikimedia

May 15, 2008

Wikinews has learned that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to participate in a panel discussion that is to take place at Santa Clara University in California. The discussion, which is titled 'The World that Wikipedia Made,' was to be based on the online encyclopedia Wikipedia and ethics involved in the editing of the website. It is the ninth such meeting in a series on technology, ethics, and law and is taking place today.

In an e-mail to Wikinews, Miriam Schulman the communications director for the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara University which is to host the discussion, states that Mike Godwin, legal counsel for the Foundation, will not be speaking during the discussion as was originally planned.

According to Schulman, Godwin canceled his scheduled appearance just one week ago and has decided not to have anyone from the foundation replace him. Valleywag, a gossip website about technology, recently reported that Godwin was not attending due to a "groundswell of criticism of Wikipedia".

"I don't want to speak for Mr. Godwin or Wikimedia, but someone else made an incorrect assumption about this, so let me clarify that in our understanding, the problem was never with the composition of the panel. Mike Godwin, General Counsel of Wikimedia, was scheduled to participate in the panel, 'The World that Wikipedia Made,' on May 15. Last week, Mr. Godwin informed us that he would not participate, and subsequent discussions with Wikimedia Foundation indicated that they would not designate a replacement speaker," stated Schulman to Wikinews. "This is our ninth such panel (in addition to the hundreds of events on other topics our centers run each year), and we feel confident in our ability to set a respectful tone for discourse on controversial topics," added Schulman.

Schulman would not comment on the reason for the Foundation's decision. Wikinews also attempted to contact Godwin, but was directed to Jay Walsh who is the head of communications for the Foundation, but Wikinews has not received a response.

The panel was to include Carl Hewitt an electrical and computer science engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Godwin discussing Wikipedia with Pedro Hernández-Ramos, associate director for the Center for Science, Technology, and Society moderating the discussion. The plan was to discuss Wikipedia, and what does and doesn't work for the encyclopedia.

"This panel will explore what works and what doesn't in the Wikipedia editing model from the angles of ethics, expertise, education, and the law," said a statement on the Center's website.

Schulman states that the discussion, which is open to the public, is "still planned" for Thursday May 15 at 6:00 p.m. (pacific time) at the De Saisset Museum on the university's campus, but it is not yet known if anyone outside the Foundation will be replacing Godwin. The High Tech Law Institute along with the Ethics Center are sponsoring the discussion. Both individuals are still attending the discussion.

"These events are always open to the public, which means everyone is welcome. In this kind of setting, we invite anyone with an interest in the topic," stated Schulman to Wikinews.

The Foundation is the parent organization of Wikipedia and other projects such as Wikinews and Wikimedia Commons, a Wiki dedicated to hosting images that can be used throughout the projects of the Foundation.


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I e-mailed Godwin, who told me to e-mail Jay Walsh. I am awaiting a reply from him. I recieved the notice of the cancellation on scoop. It is as follows:

"The Markkula Center for Applied Ethics recently sent you information about an event on Wikipedia (attached for your reference). We wanted to alert you to a change in the event. Mike Godwin, General Counsel of Wikimedia, was scheduled to participate in the panel, "The World that Wikipedia Made," on May 15. Last week, Mr. Godwin informed us that he would not participate, and subsequent discussions with Wikimedia Foundation indicated that they would not designate a replacement speaker. We are disappointed that Wikimedia chose not to participate in this event.

Best

Miriam Schulman, Communications Director Markkula Center for Applied Ethics, Santa Clara University"

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also I e-mailed Schulman back for a few follow-up questions. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Why is it so hard to track down wmf people. Considering we elected them (the board part at least), they should be online to answer whatever we have the desire to ask them. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe they just are avoiding us WN poeple?--Ryan524 (talk) 22:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Not Happening?
Godwin was a speaker along with Hewitt. The other was moderating. I contacted the person who e-mailed scoop to see if this discussion is still happening. I would say leave the title and make the article past tense until i get an official response. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Title
I would like the title to somehow include more information. Such as: where the forum is (Santa Clara University) and that it is a forum on ethics and values of public knowledge. I can't readily think of a good title, but I don't like the current "Discussion on Wikipedia ethics to go on without Wikimedia" which almost sounds like a discussion on a talk page of Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 00:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree 100%...but it was the first one that popped in my head. Usually in order for me to start an article, I have to at least have a title started too. While I agree, I still want to wait and see what the results of me contacting everyone. If the Panel is not still on, that could change the situation. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Antoher e-mail from Schulman
"Dear Mr. Safoutin,

I did reply to your earlier message, but this makes me concerned that you did not receive my e-mail. Let me try again, and please do let me know if you get this:

As you have contacted Wikimedia and Mr. Godwin, I think they are the best sources for questions about why they will not appear at this event. Let me instead tell you something about the event that will give you insight on our point of view.

Santa Clara University is an academic institution, which means we are committed to the open and rigorous consideration of sometimes difficult issues. This event, “The World That Wikipedia Made,” is the ninth in a multi-year series about technology, ethics, and law. It was organized by the University’s Markkula Center for Applied Ethics; Center for Science, Technology, and Society; and High Tech Law Institute as a panel with speakers representing different viewpoints (Mr. Godwin, Carl Hewitt, and moderator Pedro Hernandez-Ramos from SCU). These events are always open to the public, which means everyone is welcome. In this kind of setting, we invite anyone with an interest in the topic. Again, this is our ninth such panel (in addition to the hundreds of events on other topics our centers run each year), and we feel confident in our ability to set a respectful tone for discourse on controversial topics.

I hope this is helpful to you in writing your article.

Best

Miriam Schulman Communications Director Markkula Center for Applied Ethics Santa Clara University"

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"Yes, the panel is still planned for Thursday with Mr. Hewitt and Mr. Henandez-Ramos. Again, I don't want to speak for Mr. Godwin or WikiMedia, but someone else made an incorrect assumption about this, so let me clarify that in our understanding, the problem was never with the composition of the panel.

Best Miriam Schulman"


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HP to aquire EDS for 13.9B

May 13, 2008

Hewlett-Packard (HP), a global technology leader with major businesses operations in computer hardware, software, printing and services announced today that they will acquire Electronic Data Systems (EDS) for US$13.9 billion in an all cash deal. The Wall Street Journal has reported that the deal has been in various stages of development since October 2007 when the CEO of EDS, Ron Rittenmeyer, approached HP CEO Mark Hurd with a proposition to join forces.

This acquisition models a strong pattern of robust mergers and acquisitions activity since the arrival of current CEO Mr. Hurd. Since his arrival in 2005, HP has worked to expand their overall IT portfolio through organic research and development growth and the purchase of "best of breed" companies such as Mercury, Opsware and Peregrine.

This purchase will bolster the services arm of HP placing the company in second place worldwide behind IBM in terms of IT services. The added revenue will work to double Hewlett-Packard's sales from services to almost $40 billion, about as much as it gets from PCs. The combined forces of EDS and HP will represent a total worldwide workforce of 309,000 people in more than 80 countries representing 7% of the worldwide IT Service market.

In 2006 HP surpassed IBM as the largest technology company in the world in terms of overall revenue and since that time the two industry titans have fiercely battled for market dominance. Analysts at Briefing.com said: "Adding EDS would expand HP's service offering and also increase its market share in the industry, helping it better compete with industry heavyweight IBM."

Like any deal of this size it is not without its optimists and pessimists. From the positive side American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu said. "I am not saying this deal is a slam dunk by any means, but people have underestimated Mark Hurd before."

"EDS is more mature and more sophisticated in many of the processes that they bring to market than where we are", Hurd, 51, told analysts on a conference call yesterday. "We wouldn't do the deal if we didn't think we had an opportunity to improve the operating profit level that EDS currently has."

A deal of this size provides a lot of potential for HP but it could also bring a lot of heartache for competitors other than IBM. For years, both Dell and Sun Microsystems have enjoyed preferred alliances with EDS selling expensive high-end servers to EDS customers. Xerox has also benefited by selling its printers and copiers through EDS, which is the most lucrative part of HP’s business.

Dell in particular could be hurt the most. In recent years its PC business has lagged with declining sales and lost market share. Most of this market share was lost directly to HP. This buyout could deliver another major blow as last year; its sales to businesses were almost five times the revenue it received from consumers. With a major Dell partner now part of the competition that alliance will certainly be in question.

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Police exchange shots in South Melbourne, Australia

May 14, 2008

Shortly before midnight on May 13, Victoria Police intercepted a car on Clarendon Street in South Melbourne, Australia. A search revealed drugs and firearms in the vehicle and police took two people into custody while the third fled on foot.

Police called for assistance to search for the man, who ran along York Street to a service station at the intersection of Kings Way, where he attempted to board a taxi.

It is believed the man was armed and fled north along Kings Way and when he was underneath the West Gate overpass, shots were exchanged between police on scene and the man.

As a result, a senior constable was shot in the leg and the suspect was shot and died on scene. His identity currently remains unknown.

The police officer was taken to the The Alfred Hospital in a stable condition with minor injuries.


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Kinda funny
This almost became a non-story and the Mormons turned it into one, smooth move on their part. ;) --TUFKAAP (talk) 01:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Their part might have been a mistake. :-P DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Streisanded (what is the post tense of streisanding?, that just doesn't look right ), I remember the original story was almost deleted on the grounds of being a non-story lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.192.193 (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, by "Streisanded", the previous commenter is referring to Streisand effect. Also, for some fun reading check out the front page of Slashdot.  Cirt (talk) 15:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Placing private material in an open forum appears, at first thought, to be a good thing. But with consideration and an understanding of humankind over the centuries, it is clear that doing so weakens the rights of individuals and organizations in the long run. Today it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Tomorrow it will be you. It has been proven time and time again, that freedoms, once relinquished, for whatever reason, are extremely difficult to take back once given up. Usually these freedoms must be reestablished through the the loss of life through bloody battles. This is usually how the freedoms became available in the first place.

The rights that Wikki uses to publish this content are being eroded by the very actions Wikki imprudently presses forward with. Wikki, in the name of truth, is like the man hosing off the driveway of his sand castle, oblivious to the effects it is having on him. Wikki, by continuing this course of action, chillingly becomes that antithesis of it's stated goals and objectives.

All freedom loving people should be outraged by this blatant display of disrespect that has been masked in the name of truth. You don't have to be a Mormon, Catholic, Protestant, Scientologist, Satanist, Jew, Agnostic, Atheist, Black, White, Hispanic or any any other labeled group to see what is really going on here. This is an attack on freedom of speech by those who do not understand it and who have never had to give their life to obtain it. This behavior ultimately prevents people from speaking and publishing free thought, beliefs, and important private documents for internal use because it leads to intellectual terrorism.

As Pogo, the inventor of the Pogo Stick, so clearly stated, "We admit the enemy, and we is they!" Wikki is becoming it's own worst enemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.99.13 (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

this is an attack on freedom of speech? can you elaborate on this a bit? i do understand the issue of intellectual property rights and privacy in this area, but i don't see how a document like this would qualify. i do not see this as a loss of rights on any level. -Imind (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is an attack on freedom of speech.

It is an inherent right of all mankind to exercise the mind through thought and contemplation. Those thoughts are often published for any number of purposes and audiences. Sometimes the thoughts are written in a journal and are meant only for private consumption. A love letter, published on a piece of stationary and given to someone dear to your heart, is not intended for public consumption, but is published for a specific purpose and delivered to a specific audience. Human decency and etiquette would cause a person to restrain them self from publishing the love letter to an audience other than the intended recipient. Publishing the letter may lead to embarrassment, scorn, or harassment of the writer. Fear of these outcomes ultimately leads to self censorship in an attempt to avoid the possible painful results. Hence, expression is no longer free, absence of interference no longer exists, and the will of the individual who wrote the thought for a specific audience has been violated.

The people of the LDS church believe that God has revealed his will to them in the last days of the earth. They also believe that Jesus Christ has provided them with thoughts, revelations, and directions on how to manage his church until he returns. They have written them down and published them with the intended audience being Bishops and Stake Presidents (the leadership). These are private thoughts, revelations, and directions that have been written and published for a specific audience. It is the will of the church and it's leaders, that these writings remain only with the intended audience. There is nothing illegal in these documents. In fact, some have written that the content is actually mundane and boring. I would venture to say that if a law enforcement agency requested a copy to review the legality of what is being taught in the documents, that the church would happily provide a copy for review.

What we do not hold sacred (not secret) with respect to organizations, will eventually trickle down to the individual. If organizations fear the loss of control over their thoughts and contemplations, then the members that make up that organization will also eventually fear and self censor. It is human nature to reduce fear and pain. Self censorship will grow. Freedom of speech will wither and die.

This seems a small thing, but, drawing from the Mormon vernacular, one can say that through small and simple things, great (good or bad) things may be brought to pass.

And just to be clear, there is no distinction between protecting the will of an organization vs an individual. Organizations are a collective of like minded individuals, so different rules cannot be applied to organizations because it will effect the individuals in that organization.

Make no mistake, this is the back door to free speech terrorism.

It is unfortunate that our society has moved form decency and etiquette, and a persons word as their bond, to legal disclaimers, and having to use force of law to protect what is said in private. Now that is being threatened.

firstly, if i have edited your comments in any way i apologize, as i'm having difficulty with the page now and may have inadvertently deleted some of your comment.

while i agree it may show poor taste to publish works intended for private consumption, in some     instances, i still fail to see how how this is an attack on free speech, any more than any action that may potentially discourage one from expressing himself. that one's thoughts might be scrutinized, to any degree, is a fact of life, and this fear of scrutiny in no way forbids that expression. if we are going to concern ourselves with what might discourage expression, should we also not do away with any public critcism? again, i can see the benefit in protecting intellectual property, in the sense of disallowing others from obtaining financial gain from your ideas, but i cannot justify protecting those ideas from scrutiny, should they reach the public domain, and one should understand that writing these ideas down puts them at risk of exposure.

again, one could certainly argue that the release of this information is in poor taste, but i cannot justify making its release illegal, which i think is what you would want. please correct me if i'm wrong. how would one go about making this release illegal, and under what grounds? what if the information released indicated wrong doing by the party in question? should they then be able to keep it private simply becuase they don't want it released?

to reiterate, i do not see this as a loss of free speech, as the ability to express one's opinion is not being undermined.

- Imind (talk) 20:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)216.96.106.130 20:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

My opinion
As I added the 'infringing' link, I am putting my opinion on this incident here. Firstly, it is obvious that this is an incredibly short sighted move by the mormon church. The article was about to be deleted but now the original article was deleted and this article was written,

Secondly, the mormon church did not even file a proper DMCA notice. It was sent by Email!

Thirdly, our use was clearly fair use.

Anonymous101  17:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought the Handbook was in a downloadable file format. It needs to be disseminated before dissemination is quashed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.160.242.195 (talk) 04:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

URL copyrighted?
I'm puzzled: how can the URL be copyrighted? As I understand matters, linking to copyrighted material on another site—whether or not that site has permission to host the material—is perfectly legal, otherwise websites like thepiratebay.com would have been taken offline years ago. So the claim can only be that the URL or the name of the link is somehow copyrighted, which as far as I'm aware isn't possible. Mike Peel (talk) 16:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Never mind: I found the Digital Millennium Copyright Act article. Crazy American laws. Mike Peel (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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User:Deltabeta

Welcome everybody to Deltabeta's Wikipage!
I'm extremely excited to say that the world is going to be better in a few years. I'm certain of it! The World will be better... Geographically speaking, pollution speaking, and politically speaking. We will all get along in a harmonious way, even with our separate religions/denominations. It won't matter any more. Religion is what makes us who we are; does it not? We are who we want to be. So lets not let our religion control who we like and dislike. It isn't the color of your skin either, but the personality in which you convey outwardly. Lets all enjoy the fresh air and have great lives.

New Topic: If you like artwork/photography/Writing go to Deltabeta's ArtPage I also have a club that is sponsoring artwork/writing/photography...If you believe you are good enough to submit your artwork for a FREE copyright, please enter WriteandShootClub-Dedicated to the writer and Photographer

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Community forum held after attacks on Mormon teens in Arizona

May 14, 2008 A community forum was held Monday in Mesa, Arizona, to discuss a recent attack on two Mormon teenagers which took place May 2 at a park in Gilbert. Local representatives from the NAACP and the Phoenix Anti-Defamation League attended the meeting, where local police met with area residents and concerned citizens to discuss the incident. Approximately 60 residents of Mesa attended the forum, which was hosted by the Mesa Police Department and held at the Mesa Public Safety Training Facility.

Local police investigated the attack, and arrested two teenagers. According to the police the two suspects ages 15 and 16 have carved swastikas into their skin on the inside of their wrists, and allegedly beat the Mormon teenagers and attacked them using pellet guns. According to a police report, one of the teens sustained golf-ball-size swelling and cuts to his face. One of the victims of the attack was transported to the hospital. Police said that the suspects made anti-Mormon statements during the attack.

Terrea Arnwine, vice president of the East Valley NAACP, discussed the history of hate crimes and related the origins of his organization. "I immediately spoke up when I heard about the incident with LDS," said Mesa police Chief George Gascón. LDS refers to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also called the Mormon Church or LDS Church.

"This is America; this isn’t supposed to happen here. This is the legacy we have been left with — unfortunately it is oftentimes not true," said Anti-Defamation League representative Bill Strauss. According to the Arizona Department of Public Safety, 254 incidents were reported in 2003 involving hate crimes, though Strauss said that the actual number of incidents could be higher due to underreporting.

The Gilbert Human Relations Commission also discussed the incident in a meeting Wednesday. "It's an abysmal, and abominable occurrence, and yet it's extremely rare, and I think that speaks volumes of our community," said Patricia Krueger of the Human Relations Commission.

Detective Terry Burchett of the Gilbert Police Department conducted interviews with 20 to 30 individuals as part of the investigation into the attack. According to police, a conflict arose between two groups of teenagers at a park in Gilbert, and some teenagers were asked by others if any in their group were Mormon. The victims later told police that they were attacked because they are Mormon.

According to The Arizona Republic, police are not yet certain that the attack should be considered a hate crime. Both teenagers have been charged with underage drinking, disorderly conduct and aggravated assault, and were booked into the Maricopa County Juvenile Detention Facility. According to KNXV-TV one of the suspects is a football player at Mesquite High School in Gilbert.

The parents of the victims spoke with KNXV-TV reporter Christina Boomer. The victims are ages 15 and 17. The parents of one of the victims said that their son's face was pushed into the gravel and that he sustained a fractured collarbone, and the father of the other victim said his son has a broken nose and fractured cheekbone from the attack, in addition to facial lacerations.

One of the teens' mothers stated: "I broke down, I just, I couldn't believe the way he looked." "No parents should see their kids in that kind of situation ... I don't believe that anybody should be persecuted for their beliefs or their faith," said the father of the same teenager.


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Will list here below. Cirt (talk) 15:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Community forum held after attacks on Mormon teens in Arizona - Afriquenligne
 * Community forum held after attacks on Mormon teens in Arizona - Mormonism News, from transfigurism.org, cited from Afriquenligne


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Bomb destroys Spanish police barracks and kills policeman in Basque Country

May 14, 2008

A car bomb car exploded today at 3:00 AM  in the  town of Legutiano, near the barracks of the Spanish paramilitary police. A policeman died and 4 more were injured. The Basque group ETA was blamed for this attack by authorities, but no one has claimed responsibility yet.

The dead man was in a small surveillance building near the barracks, which were both destroyed by the bomb van. Four more people, two men and two women, were injured, one of them seriously. There were more than 40 people in the barracks at the moment of the blast.

The barracks and a nearly abandoned building are practically collapsed. The force of the explosion has also made a large hole and damaged buildings 500 meters away. According to authorities, the bomb van may have contained more than 300 kg of explosives.

"We want to make it clear to the ETA terrorist group that all of the democratic parties are closing ranks to finish off the ETA terrorist group. I express my condolences to the families of the victims," said of the, the majority leader in the , while speaking on.

This would be the first fatal action carried out by ETA since Spain's general election two months ago, when was killed on the final day of official campaigning.


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15 year old gets beaten up and this is news? i fail to see the mormon link tbh, when i was 15 people tended to just hurl abuse based on whatever they knew about you, unless the attack was a random act of violence against a mormon this is really a non-story.--82.35.192.193 13:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently it was not considered a "non-story" by the Associated Press, New England Cable News, The Arizona Republic, East Valley Tribune, KNXV-TV ... among others. Cirt (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a non-story because you wouldn't hear about this if they were simply Mexicans or African Americans. But, because it involves some wanna-be neo-nazi kids and some good natured Christian kid, it makes the news. I really don't care how many people report on it, I simply don't care about some kids getting stomped out in Arizona - I'm sure we're only getting half the story at best anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.226.230.36 (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, an ... interesting viewpoint - why not try telling it to the Associated Press, New England Cable News, The Arizona Republic, East Valley Tribune, and KNXV-TV? Cirt (talk) 21:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 144.226.230.36, that's a ridiculous assertion. Almost all beatings/attacks that are perceived as "hate-crimes" are covered widely in news media.--SVTCobra 00:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Cobra; reporting of hate crimes is generally newsworthy. Jade Knight (talk) 03:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Mormon children being attacked
Hello,my name is Nancy and I'm not a Mormon but I have family and friends who are and I would consider what happened a hate crime,which is against the law mabe if those drunkin kids went to court and were charged lawfully others would think before they do what they did,come on!I dont believe in the book of Mormon,but the people are beautifull and I love them,and I would defend them all the way. I pray these beautiful kids will be ok,and I will pray for them as I do for all people.Love of Christ(who died for all, for all are sinners saved by grace,not mans law,thank God )Nancy Dalrymple —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.21.26.202 (talk • contribs)


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Comments:Car crash on A37 near Bristol, two dead

This is international news?
 * No it is local news, which is allowed on Wikinews Anonymous101  17:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Not news worthy outside of a 40km range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.184.122.3 (talk) 02:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Police exchange shots in South Melbourne, Australia

Enjoy your gun laws, civilians! Just because the average bloke can't get ahold of a gun doesn't mean the criminals can't.

Bad guy was shot
Good thing the bad guy was shot. Can't have people like that running around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.27.150.135 (talk) 18:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Five of six accused over 9/11 to be tried; charges against '20th hijacker' dropped

Why?
Why are the US government using the Guantanamo justice syste. Aren;t these people entitled to a fair trial? Anonymous101  17:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome
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Queen Elizabeth visits Turkey

May 14, 2008

, the UK and Commonwealth Realms head of state, recently arrived in Turkey. She said in a speech made on arrival that she was "delighted to be back in Turkey more than 36 years after our last visit of which we have many happy memories."

Her Majesty continued, "here in 1971, I remarked on the tremendous achievement of in guiding this country of rich and ancient traditions along a course towards a modern, enlightened and democratic state."

The Queen praised Turkey for its efforts on democracy. "One could hardly have imagined then the further strides that Turkey would take to become today's confident and dynamic democracy. In this new century, we can celebrate the links between our two countries [Turkey and the UK] as being stronger than ever."

On the relationship between Turkey and the UK, the Queen commented as follows:

Thus it is that thousands of jobs in both countries depend on our trade; Turkey is visited by two million British tourists each year; many thousand Britons have made their homes here; and, we are pleased to welcome increasing numbers of Turkish students in the United Kingdom.

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Comments:Dottie Rambo dies in tour bus crash

Just to let you know Dottie Rambo is not in heaven.
 * Let me guess I ask you how come, you say it dosen't exist right? Well I'm sorry you don't realize the truth then.--Ryan524 (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hah, even God couldn't help her... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.191.102 (talk) 13:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Dotie Rambo
This evening I was again blessed and encouraged by the words of songs that she has written. My friend, Betty and I often sing some of her treasured songs. This evening I was again enjoying her God given music and wanted to tell her how encouraging her writings are to me so I searched to get her email and did not realize until this evening that she had passed away. What a loss to us, but a gain to Heaven. God has certainly used her life to help others. Now she has a Wonderful Eternity with God to enjoy. Sincerely, Alice —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.201.2.49 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 14 September 2012

Comments from feedback form - "Needs more info: how the accid..."
Needs more info: how the accident happened, also the about the lawsuit. —70.39.28.170 (talk) 20:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


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User talk:209.145.92.11

Hello and a piece of advice
Hello. Thank you for visiting Wikinews. However, we don't appreciate the kind of edits you've made so far. Continued perpetration of vandalism from your part will result in a block without further warning. We hope that you will decide to contribute for the benefit of the project in which case the following pages will give you an overview of how Wikinews operates.

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Anonymous101  18:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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Wikinews:Dispute resolution/Brianmc and Adambro

Statement of dispute by Brianmc

 * User:Brianmc and User:Adambro
 * I am raising this because I believe, and have acted accordingly, in a belief that Adambro has questioned my actions and interfered with what I see as the good running of a news site. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Questioning use of Checkuser.
 * Checkuser is required to keep the bad guys out, and when you see an account called User:Churchofscientologyint, you pretty much know they're a potential source of trouble. I am reliably informed were this any other wiki the user would not have been CU'd but blocked on sight as an inappropriate username. I chose to CU, which revealed an effectively shared account. This, plus my blanking of the user's "advertisment" on their user/talk pages led to the following berating comments from Adambro:
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&diff=prev&oldid=612523
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&diff=prev&oldid=612739
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&diff=prev&oldid=612052
 * Second up is this bloody ridiculous WN:DR for an article about Wikinews' first legal threats.
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Deletion_requests&diff=634659&oldid=634638
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Deletion_requests&diff=634687&oldid=634686
 * http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Deletion_requests&diff=prev&oldid=634838
 * I speedy closed this and it has been reopened,

 * This is a self-imposed "chilling effect", and I believe that anyone who supports such action is not acting in the best interests of the project. It has nothing to do with being listed on Slashdot, it has to do with reporting factually accurate news in a professional manner and - as a result - being seen as a credible source elsewhere. I've had lengthy conversations with several people on this issue (Including Cary) and the opinion is they would prefer it not have been done, but it is news, it is accurate.
 * The BBC News covers their parent organisation all the time, and I'd put pounds for pennies that the senior non-news staff wish to hell they didn't in an awful lot of cases. We have a duty; we are amongst the few collections of people who can cover issues surrounding the WMF and get it right. We know how to read the history, and do quality research. Some of us have built up relationships with WMF board and employees that should help get quotes, we are the best placed to cover the WMF - both good and bad.

Mediator
If necessary. I will be willing to act as the Mediator. I am netural as I have not been involved and feel that this needs resolving. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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I do not see a legitimate reason to delete it myself, and have voted as such while the original DR was open, there were plety others after me who also voted keep before it was closed. I support the speedy keep decision myself.--Ryan524 (talk) 18:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My reason for escalating this is precisely that, there is no legitimate reason to delete. Adambro is acting as an unwanted proxy for WMF staff and trying to second-guess what they wish to have done. Yes, sure, let's just go back to writing Labrador gives birth to six puppies, one is black. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

We don't speedy keep because someone thinks it is newsworthy. Adambro clearly thought it wasn't newsworthy so we should let the DR run. In addition I think that the diffs showing Adambros actions show no actions which appear to be against policy in any way. I think Adambro actually stayed calm. I also think that Brianmc should have discussed the issues with Adambro before bringing it to dispute resolution.

Both Adambro and Brianmc are excellent contributors to this site.

Anonymous101  19:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment by SVTCobra
As this melodrama has reached epic heights, I cannot seem to avoid comment, despite my earlier reservations against doing so. So I will just say that:
 * 1) the checkuser questions seemed valid given that the account made no malicious edits; on the other hand it might be a biased account/unacceptable user name. To this I say that was six weeks ago ... this is not really the dispute between the two of you, is it?
 * 2) the OTRS issue seems to be the real issue here. It seems Adambro was grounded in some policy when removing text from the article in question. The confidentiality of OTRS, the undermining of which could undo the entire trust of the OTRS system, seemed to be at stake. While researching this question, I found in the OTRS introduction this code of conduct, which I will quote:

 * Given that I only know of the OTRS system from the pages at Meta, and the discussions here, I think there is a legitimate concern that information was inappropriately disseminated from an OTRS ticket. However, once made public, the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Therefore, while Adambro attempted to put the "lid" back on, it cannot be done since it is out. I'd guess, whomever, unveiled this confidential information might face consequences where they obtained it (OTRS). To put this in journalistic perspective, it is like a government employee revealing a state secret to a newspaper. The employee will likely get fired, but once printed, the government can't really do anything to retract it.
 * In summary, there is nothing to be done to resolve this dispute. What is done is done. The leak may face repercussions at the source (OTRS), but as far as Brianmc and Adambro as wikinewsies are concerned, they'll just have to live with eachother. [I am aware that Adambro requested his admin-rights be removed, but I just had to give this evaluation regardless.] --SVTCobra 00:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


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Chinese earthquake: Death toll reaches almost 15,000 as 'dangerous' cracks found in dam near city

May 14, 2008 Officials say the death toll in the recent earthquake in China has reached almost 15,000. The news comes as 2,000 of the nation's troops were dispatched to the Zipingku Dam to repair "extremely dangerous" cracks in the structure, which is upriver from Dujiangyan City, already severely hit by the disaster.

It is feared the toll will rise much further as 60,000 people are missing after the 7.9 magnitude quake in Sichuan left entire towns "razed to the ground" with no buildings standing, according to officials in the area. At one destroyed school 178 children were found dead after the building collapsed while they slept inside it. A second school at Wudu, twenty miles from the epicentre behind the White Cloud Mountain, has 130 dead children and 150 more still buried and feared dead.

Zipingku Dam has had some water drained to ease the pressure on it. According to the Ministry of Water Resources' website "If Zipingpu develops a serious safety problem, it could bring disaster to Dujiangyan city downstream." Numerous other dams are also affected, including several others near Dujiangyan. In addition, experts from France's Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety say it cannot yet be ruled out that a number of nuclear power facilities in the area have been affected.

50,000 troops have been brought to the area to provide assistance. However, emergency response is being made difficult by continuing poor weather and landslides that have cut off Wenchuan county. In Mianyang alone, one of the worst-hit cities, some 19,000 people are thought to be buried under rubble and the first rescuers to reach the epicenter state tens of thousands may be dead there as well. The Wenchuan town of Yingxiu has only 2,300 confirmed survivors from a 12,000-strong population. Some aid in the form of food, water and medicine has arrived by helicopter, but rotorcraft operations are very dangerous due to ongoing poor weather. Trucks loaded with noodles and biscuits were raided by crowds before the aid could be properly handed out. The People's Liberation Army intends to send in paratroopers.

“They had better set up a distribution system, or we will be stealing what we can,” one survivor promised.

Meanwhile, accusations of blame over the scale of the effects have been leveled at construction companies and local authorities. The allegations say that the firms used substandard techniques and materials when building many projects, and corrupt local authorities deliberately ignored the problem. Some people have nicknamed the resulting structures "tofu buildings", an allusion to the fact that they are alleged to be 'as soft as tofu'. "It's nothing but corruption - they must have used sub-standard cement and steel," said rescuer Dr Tian, who withheld his second name from journalists. It is also alleged that both local residents and international scientific organisations were ignored when they warned of a large impending earthquake.

As a mark of respect, the Olympic torch relay will be scaled back in response to the earthquake.