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Taizé ecumenical community founder Frère Roger assassinated

August 16, 2005

90 year old, who founded the international ecumenical community of , was killed today after a knife attack during evening prayers at the community's church.

According to media coverage, a mentally disturbed woman, supposedly a 36 year old from, is responsible for the attack.

Members of the community have said that at the evening prayer, during the first song, the woman joined the kids who sit with Frère Roger at these services. Then, at about 20:45 CET, she stabbed him with a knife or similar weapon, sources say. The founder of Taizé, who was sitting in a wheelchair, was carried out of the service still bleeding.

One of the brothers of Taizé, a medical doctor, together with another doctor who was present at the evening service, tried to save the life of Taizé's founder, but didn't succeed and Frère Roger died just minutes after the knife attack.

The community have reacted to the shocking events in their own way. While sisters tended to the guests who had been direct eye witnesses, young people took the seats the brothers had left. While a part of the church was blocked off, the evening prayer continued with the Taizé liturgy.


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Another welcome...
Welcome from another Wikinewsie (and another Tennesseean!). I hope you stick around. Let me know if I can help you as you settle in to Wikinews -- feel free to leave a message on my talk page. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:05, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
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Wikinews contest prices :P
As the Wikinews contest has ended now, I'd like to claim my price :P and to specify the modalities of the transfer. Anyway, thank you for sponsorising the IWWC ! Faager - «?» 08:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

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suggested correction
hi, have listed ur suggestion on the UK TV licensing rules at Admin action alerts (which is the place to bring up corrections to archived articles). thanks for ur help. Doldrums 09:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edits
Hi, could you please explain what you were trying to do in this edit? I've reverted it, as it links to a nonexistent page. Sports is the correct title, and is what should be used. Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk]  00:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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New computer worm poised to cause massive outages

August 17, 2005

Anti-virus software publisher Symantec has reported that outbreaks of two varieties of worm are imminent following system failures on two unnamed major corporate networks in the United Kingdom. After receiving several eyewitness accounts from on-site personnel this reporter noted similarities to the MSBlast worm which made headline news two years ago (on the 16th of July 2003) after causing massive outages.

The worms are limited to Microsoft Windows products based on the NT architecture such as Windows 2000 or Windows XP, exploiting administrator services applets which shut a computer down when a certain service fails. The worms cause these "administrator services" to fail, provoking the computer into shutting down immediately.

Microsoft has announced that a critical update is available for all users, even for those who use pirated versions of Windows.

Chrysler, Kraft Foods and many other US corporations are feeling the brunt of the attack as the US was in the middle of the work day when new more virulent variants emerged.


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Israeli Army begins forced evacuation of Gaza settlements

August 17, 2005

The Israeli army has begun to forcibly remove settlers in Gaza Strip as the deadline for voluntary evacuation passed at 00:00, local time, this morning (21:00 UTC Tuesday). Soldiers entered the settlements of Neve Dekalim, Morag, Ganei Tal, and Bedolah in the early morning hours and have begun to carry settlers away. In Neve Dekalim over 1,000 settlers shut themselves inside the local synagogue while others did the same in their houses. In Morag a bulldozer was needed to break through a barricade constructed of trash containers. A soldier there was lightly wounded when a protester stabbed her in the arm with a needle. Prime minister Ariel Sharon responded to the incident by saying "don't hurt them, hurt me". In Southern Israel a woman is in critical condition after she set herself on fire in protest over the evacuations.

The army claims more than half of the 8,500 settlers in the Strip have already left. However, those remaining vowed to stay as long as they can, telling the soldiers that they "should be ashamed at what [they] are doing".

A thin majority in the Israeli government believe the pullout from Gaza is vital for the security of the country. "I look with hope to the future, that the price we are paying [...] will in the end bring about a positive change in Israel's situation," said Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz.

The Palestinian Authority welcomes the withdrawal from Gaza but believes it can only be a first step in the process of giving up all Israeli settlements, including in the West Bank.

Meanwhile, an Israeli settler from Shiloh, in the West Bank, killed four Palestinians and wounded another two when he opened fire in an industrial area of the settlement. The 38-year old reportedly stole the gun used in the shooting from a security guard. He was arrested. Hamas has vowed to avenge the killings.

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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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--157.82.5.208 23:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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In the 660 Computer, perhaps even more than in any previous computer, the control system is the difference.

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21 July bombing suspect to be extradited back to the UK

August 17, 2005

Hamdi Issac, a suspect in the 21 July bombings in London, has been ordered by an Italian court to return to the UK.

The Ethiopian national was arrested in Rome a few days after the July 21 failed terror attacks in London.

Despite today's decision by Rome's appeal court, Issac's attorneys are expected to immediately appeal, delaying his extradition by up to a month.


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John Barberio's Journal

About the Accused
John Barberio is currently living in Banbury, Oxfordshire, England. His technical interests range from Linux to Web Design, Software Engineering to Internet Usage Policy. His personal interests range from Film to Sociology, Art to Publishing.

Unfortunatly, John suffers from CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), a deliberting condition for which there is no known cure as yet. He was previously employed by Torex Health, as a systems administration consultant for major hospital trusts and individual hospitals.

During the late 90's he studied in Rycotewood in Oxfordshire, then went on to Brookes University in Oxford. During his stay at the CMS he learnt the basics of UNIX, software engineering, and how the Internet works. He's continued to study such arcane things as Cisco routers, and PHP code. As a member of the ICANN@large membership he's been telepresent at many of the ICANN general meetings in order to express concern over the maintenance of the Internet and associated systems and legislation. He has since decided that programming just isn't worth the stress involved, and only sysadmins his home computers.

As an Artist, he has self published a short run comic book and written for a well established Internet authors group. Unfortunatly, he now has to concentrate primarly on writing due to loosing fine dexterity control because of CFS. He is currently in the progress of writing his first profesional novel, a science fiction murder mystery.

He dislikes writing bios about himself, especially in third person, and should just make it all up and claim to be an Arch Bishop Nobel Prize Winning Mountain Climber. Its the Internet, its not like you can verify any of this.

John also has a tendancy to get cranky.

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"Camp Casey" moves to safer land, as Mother's protest continues

August 17, 2005

In Crawford, Texas, anti-war protesters led by American Cindy Sheehan, mother of a fallen soldier, have found a new place to demonstrate. "A kind gentleman from down the road, closer to the Bush ranch, has offered us the use of his property," said Sheehan to the reporters, as the camp prepared a move to private land.

The property owner, U.S. Army veteran Fred Mattlage, said, "I just think people should have a right to protest without being harassed, and I'm against the war. I don't think it's a war we need to be in."

Sheehan continued to tell the reporters, "He offered it because he heard about the shots fired at us the other day and he didn't think that was right. He happens to be the third cousin of the person that fired the shots and so he came down and he said he supports us 100 percent."

The "shots fired" were those of nearby resident Larry Mattlage, whose land borders the protesters at their current location. After complaining about the proximity of the protesters, he fired a shotgun twice into the air Sunday - in order to prepare for duck hunting season, he said. Mattlage says at no time was he ever threatening the protesters with his shots.

Not all Americans agree with Mrs. Sheehan's position. On Monday, a man was arrested and charged with vandalism of Camp Casey's memorial for troops lost in Iraq. Around 10pm the previous night, authorities say the accused used his pickup truck to run over hundreds of small wooden crosses bearing names of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.

In comments to the press, Bush offered sympathy to Sheehan, "I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan. She feels strongly about her -- about her position. And she has every right in the world to say what she believes.", he said. However, he has still declined to meet her. "I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say." Bush told reporters, "But, I think it's also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life."

Others have commented that Sheehan is being used by those with their own agendas, "What started out as a grieving mom that we all sympathized with has now turned into ... an orchestrated far-left campaign," commented Greg Mueller, a conservative public-relations executive.

A former FBI special agent, Rowley, and Becky Lourey, whose son was killed in Iraq, will leave for Texas on Thursday and camp at the site for a few days.

Rowley said, "It puts a human face on this issue; many people, if they don't have a personal connection to the troops, it's so easy for this to become a discussion that lacks seriousness and urgency. I think it's good to show that there are real people that are being affected."

"Our children are dying and I think it's time to go support Cindy and see if Bush will come out and we can say, 'President Bush, what is the mission exactly?'," Becky Lourey added. "Truth has been shifting all around and I think we need to rejoin the world community and not occupy another nation." Lourey said.

Sheehan wants the withdrawal of all troops from Iraq. President Bush claims that leaving Iraq now wouldn't be helpful for Iraqis or Americans, but only for terrorists.


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Talk:New computer worm poised to cause massive outages

Is the the same story as the CNN worm? Krisjohn 13:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I think so. They both mention the Zotob worm. I'm too much of a n00b to know what to do here, though. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 15:09, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Well, F-secure are calling this a "botwar", so maybe this article could be adapted into a followup... Krisjohn 00:39, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Deletion requests/Archives/Passed Archive 4

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UK R&B Singer Ms Dynamite Sentenced for Assault
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete Old and abandoned.
 * Publish It looks done, aside from stupid title capitalization. Nyarlathotep 19:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Publish Not the greatest article, but good enough to publish. fixed capitilization. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 19:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep minor copyedits, then publish. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 15:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Danish clothing company sells T-shirts to support FARC and PFLP
Delete Old and abandoned. Jason Safoutin 01:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Speedily published as per B & D. Nyarlathotep 19:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * publish might be old, but I think that it can be published Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto Brian. It's not that bad, someone probably just forgot --Deprifry|+T+ 10:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Germany is forbidden to link to de.wikipedia.org via injunction
Article has been replaced by Berlin court issues provisional order against the Wikimedia Foundation (which has been published) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 22:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Keep turn it into a redirect to the merged article, to preserve the edit history. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 17:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Allegations of three candidates' drug ties resurface in Haitian presidential race
204.8.195.187 14:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

abandoned --Cspurrier 15:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, this is a cool one! It looks like an non-anon added a POV comment, so the article was taged.  We should ideally move the editorial to the top of the talk page & incorperate it as original reporting.  I'm not sure the article even needs to change much to incorperate the original reporting, as I've not seeing some of his objections in the article (campaign financing?).  Nyarlathotep 20:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Speedily Kept Letter was probably not to us, so we probably don't need to do anything about it. I've moved the letter to Talk:Allegations of three candidates' drug ties resurface in Haitian presidential race/Guy Philippe letter. I've also deleted it from the history of the article, as it may violate a copyright of either the Miamy Herald or Guy Philippe. Nyarlathotep 16:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Augusto_Pinochet
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 01:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is appropriate for individuals to have their own category, but others may disagree.

 * Make a subcat of obituraries (he is dead you know...) just kidding (: (really hoping this is the guy who had all those fake perody death articles otherwise comment sounds mean). I don't see any problems with excess number of categories, but this is so minnor I don't care what happens to it. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 19:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, I think cats about indivduals are OK. Just look at our German friends who apparently have a cat for every person ever named in an article (Example) --Deprifry|+T+ 20:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He is an infamous person, and we do have a few articles on him, so I think we should keep it for now Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Keepditto Brian's comment. Neutralizer 11:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Canadian teen faces US War Crimes court
Abandoned--Cspurrier 15:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree. also old. Jason Safoutin 22:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - neutralizer seems to have not made any recent changes, and in this case i agree with amgine and noone has claimed that we (together) are wrong. Now i'm working on the page: new NPOV name: Canadian teen faces disputed US military tribunal. Boud 17:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Boud seems to have done a good job so far in taking this away from an article that gave the impression that a teenager was being prosecuted for similar crimes to the Nazis. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Bound seems to be moving it along. Nyarlathotep 20:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lack of progress in due time.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 03:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree further. Jason Safoutin 03:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but I don't think 6 days is abnormal for such an article, i.e. no time pressure, and began life in a POV state. Wikis should be relaxing.  Nyarlathotep 16:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

--Deprifry|+T+ 06:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Boud did some good work and I will help out a little too if I can find time tomorrow. Looking at the amount of contradiction in the news coverage and the secracy surrounding the exact charges this is a difficult (but important) story to cover. --vonbergm 03:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep No longer abandoned. --Deprifry|+T+ 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

CNN embracing the right-wing?
Borderline editorial, contains some very slim factual information, makes assertions and is widely disputed as even probable. I say delete. (I've detailed on user talk page on how this article could be salvaged) --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 02:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC) *Delete Too POV. Really is not worthy of "news" and is very opinionated.
 * "Slim factual assertions"? "Widely disputed"? Almost the entire article is direct quotes with links to audio recordings of them at the bottom. What exactly do you dispute? AaronSw 02:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, but needs NPOV editing and title.--Eloquence 02:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep edits made and I like it DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 09:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The political composition of one of America's three biggest news networks isn't worthy of "news"? What opinions are in the article? AaronSw 02:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well without citing who the critics are, all we could know is that HE (the one who created the article) is the critic. DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 02:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? In everything except the first (summary) sentence, critics are carefully cited, named, and quoted. AaronSw 02:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * WHO FROM FOX NEWS...WHAT/WHO CRITICS... DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 03:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Why are you shouting? -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

--Deprifry|+T+ 21:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep article has been improved through collaboration. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 08:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep has been improved into a good article, I would have moved to published if it wasn't listed here. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Homeless man beaten
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 01:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

This is yet another hit and run from 169.244.143.115, I've already put a comment on this user's talk page about their disruptive behaviour, and we've already deleted a number of the "stubs" he's created. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * "hit and run" i object. brian so be it my "point of view" belives homeless man beaten is sad because come on its sad news... brian can you see the light i hope you refresh the articles. and edit iam busy and trying to add as i go can you ask anymore... please...
 * You don't seem to be so busy that you can't create a half-dozen story stubs per day. I still have over 100 pages to read as part of an ongoing Wikinews investigation, and there are not people hanging around here to complete articles for you.  Please remember this, and if you cut back to doing one article that you finished off yourself, you would be a very welcome contributor. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I will let you do the heavy lifting as i support you all and take your advice as i go... thanks. it looks like you are already working on articles??? kentucky and gangs.

7 year old chased by police
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 04:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Someone caught this as a copyvio, I agree - although the copyvio may have been edited since initial creation. To clean out the history containing the copyvio this should be deleted. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is getting messed about at the moment, and may not need deleted. However the history will need links cleaned out which are copyvio.  How should that be handled? --Brian McNeil / talk 22:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Cspurier deleted and undeleted it to do that. but admins can still see - special:undelete/7 year old chased by police. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd keep seeing as it was fixed up. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Philippines

 * Not news and not neutral at all Jacques Divol 11:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, not news. Nyarlathotep 15:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedily moved too: a subpage of the user. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * User:202.69.163.8/Philippines

template:apasource
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

we always cite with template:source. having two is confusing. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Can be used for citing offline publications which is allowed and encouraged per WN:CS. --Deprifry|+T+ 13:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Theoretical keep. We probably need more than one type of source tag as bibliographies are not entirely trivial beasts.  But we also need a page explaining how various types of source tags work.  Nyarlathotep 18:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For a list of available source templates, please see Template messages/Citations for articles. --Chiacomo (talk) 08:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I always assumed we'd src all articles in the same style. I personnally think that being inconsitant woould look unprofessional. but then again, maybe an offline src should be sourced in that fashion. I'm changing my vote to Neutral Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 01:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, we need to be as consistent as possible, but diffrent source types necessitate diffrent soruce tempaltes. I dislike the APA style of listing the year immediately after the author, I see what purpose it serves for the APA, but doubt that it surves that purpose here, as news articles have very few sources.  IMHO, the year should be listed after the journal, as its part of the infomation one may use to locate the article.  However, I'm not going to change anything since I don't know how newspapers usually do it.  If they all use APA, maybe we should too.  If news papers don't use APA, or arn't uniform, then I suggest moving the year; thus also making the style more consistant with our online sources, and renaming the template.  I should also point out that wikipedia has numerous templates for citation.  So I should change my vote to Neutral too.  :P  Nyarlathotep 14:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Rape
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

If we sub-divide Category:Crime and law by individual crime we'll need Category:Murder, Category:Suicide, Category:Assault, Category:Arson, etc, etc. I'm bringing it to DR as not many people seemed to have noticed the discussion on the article's talk page. Brian McNeil / talk 16:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC) Keep, but make it a subcat of Category:Crime and law. Brian New Zealand 17:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. We support multiple levels of categories. Just as there's Category:Mexico and Category:North America, we can have Category:Rape and Category:Crime and law. -- IlyaHaykinson 17:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep But all articles in that cat should also be in crime and law. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - we do not currently use most subcategories except in geographical use (portals) and in certain cases which are regularly described as POV use. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 23:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. We are currently un-expert in the application of categories, but I find sub-topics useful to tuck a story (for the uneven record) in a sub-Topic, while at the same time applying a different top-level topic to the story. -Edbrown05 23:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Why not try more subcategories if people actually use them?  Nyarlathotep 18:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - While it's currently not being used, these kind of things are works in development. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 23:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete this specific cat, however support sub-cats. Murder, arson would be good... but in the case of rape, rarely do they fall as "newsworthy"... such a category is just unnecessary.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 02:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

category:Climate Change
Seems to duplicate category:Global warming. Merge & Delete. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yup, Merge & Delete, however I think you should keep Climate change instead of Global warming as some of the effects that have been predicted would include much colder weather in some regions. Brian McNeil / talk 09:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge, rename & Delete delete category:Global warming, and replace it with this, this is a better name. Brian New Zealand 17:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone dug up Template:issues/Global warming for Australian Labor Party announces new Climate Change Policy, I'd like to fix that with this, can whoever closes this - and hopefully does the category delete of Global warming - let me know on my talk page. I'll change my prototype infobox to use Category:Climate change and update all unprotected articles with the category, if any are protected I'll stick them on Admin alerts. By the way, the category should have the capitalization on "Change" dropped so it is Category:Climate change --Brian McNeil / talk 18:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice, but I think the image need replacing or updating, at the very least so that is says "Climate change" instead of "global warming." --Naught101 01:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Merge and Rename - Category:Climate change would be the most appropriate name. global warming is merely the most acknowledged aspect of climate change. Climate change includes other aspects, such as more severe storm, droughts, and hot and cold snaps, as well as rising temperatures and sea levels. Worldwide the usage of the term "Global warming" to describe the effects of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions is beign phased out in favour of "Climate change". On the otherhand, you could keep both, and use Category:Global Warming as a sub-category ofCategory:Climate change. --Naught101 01:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect? I too feel "Climate change" is a better name, but "Global warming" has considerable work put into it. Can we temporarily make Climate Change a redirect to Global Warming?  And hope that someone does the work to reverse the redirect evenentually?  Nyarlathotep 18:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Final statement - 2 to 1, "Climage Change" is a more favored name than "Global warming". However, "Climate change" is more appropriate per our style guide, so both Category:Climage Change and Category:Global warming are going to be merged into the new Category:Climate change, with the lowercase "c". —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Passed-dr
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 00:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I created this template for kept articles, but it's not really used by anything. (See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Passed-dr.) —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Its used by two articles, as far as i can tell. Won't it be more useful in time to come, when we get more keep dr's? However you probaly know better then me as you've been handling dr's recently. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Keep - though it should be added to the talk page, not the article itself. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 20:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Keep Seems like a good template. I didn't know about it, then again, I don't know about most templates ;) --TUFKAAP 20:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the template sorting situation on wikinews is a mess. did you know about template:extreme templating, template:click or template:esoteric? they make me laugh. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 20:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

New text message encryption method developed
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The source listed was published on November 30, effectively declaring that this is olds rather than news. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 19:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that it's written in a right context (that I didn't realize then), I guess we can keep it. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 03:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

This story fits perfectly with our invitation for submissions;"Do you know of an issue that has been forgotten".
 * Keep

"What we want from YOU! We want you to write articles for Wikinews that:..

You feel isn't getting adequate coverage: Do you know of an issue that has been forgotten or is not getting enough attention in the rest of the press? Here's your chance to tell the world!"
 * Also, this news could be big and is not as time sensitive as other news. Neutralizer 20:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Neutral however it reads a bit adverstismently in my opinion. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 20:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * wtf, vote? are you out of your mind? you want news or you wanna vote on it.... -Edbrown05 21:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that's a keep vote? Besides, I like the article too. Just that under current policy, it shouldn't be here. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose if not abandoned. I might support setting the date line to November 30; if people want to vote on that.  Anyway, this is exactly the reason why I suggest changing the content guide to allow historical articles  ( see also ).  Wikinews should serve more than just a "news of the moment" function, one should also be able to look stuff up.  Nyarlathotep 22:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't get European news in my neck of the woods. -Edbrown05 00:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

User:MateoP/Augusto Pinochet dies
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Request retracted by NeoAmsterdam 01:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Data Retention Directive passed by EU Parliament
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 07:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope, I just picked it back up today. :)  It looks pretty much done at this point actually.  Most of the concerns were addressed.  Nyarlathotep 18:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright. Speedy keep.

Twenty thousand gather at the gates of Fort Benning to protest School of the Americas
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 07:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC) I withdraw this deletion request because it's a published article. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:2003 Iraq pre-war intelligence
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 17:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The corresponding template has been undeleted. Due to deletion of this category, the template is empty. The politics and conflicts section is empty (and has therefore been removed) The category is usefull to readers. Kevin Baastalk 16:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The damage is done, and probably rightfully so. Oppose. -Edbrown05 03:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose This category is not a news category, but a POV. News categories discuss news events, not interpretations of what those events are or indicate. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 16:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Then what is the correct category for such news?  2003 Iraq war?  Nyarlathotep 12:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hesitantly support I geuss I agree with Nyarlathotep on this one. but, if this undelete passes, its going to be hard to undelete, as you can't via normal methods. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 21:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I do sympathize with those who want the category back, but it is my opinion that this particular infobox needs maintained manually.  The best stories that are indisputably linked to the topic should be put in the infobox then it is a POV issue whether or not you can justify putting the infobox on another story. Brian McNeil / talk 21:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Expanded Comment I don't necessarily support or oppose, but I feel that all such articles should go under some infobox with an automatic listing feature. 2003 Iraq war isn't unreasonable, as they do represent a part of that whole saga.  if we don't seperate the current Iraqi insurgents, who also deserve an infobox, from 2003 Iraq war, then we should not seperate pre-war either.  OTOH, it is a bit POV to seperate the current insurgents, and not seperate pre-war too.  Just be consistent.  Assuming that we are to have only one infobox, any manually maintained list for 2003 Iraq war should contain some major articles from all three periods, to present a balanced picture.  Nyarlathotep 05:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. The media world has definitely been discussing pre-war intelligence, as have various government officials and non-goverment observers. There is nothing wrong with grouping Wikinews stories based on this topic. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Support: Nothing to add to IlyaHaykinson's comments. --vonbergm 15:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

December 18
===Flooding in Nakhon Sri Thammarat=== I don't think this event actually happeded. no sources origionally listed, thought I found a source, but thats from a month before this happeded. Official weather website says something other then is claimed by in the article. I think its a fake. User who created it is no where to be found. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose Please check the sources I've added on the talk page, these are from what's listed on the reference desk for Thailand. Brian McNeil / talk 07:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC) additional I have added sources to the story and expanded it some, can someone copyedit to make it read better and remove the tags? Brian McNeil / talk 19:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * When I searched for it on the 16th Google couldn't find anything. I withdraw my dr.Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

--Deprifry|+T+ 18:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Senate rejects short-term extension of the USA PATRIOT Act
Abandoned. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 03:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * have added content. Doldrums 07:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

--Deprifry|+T+ 18:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose: expanded, sourced, published (which I'm withdrawing because I didn't see someone had removed the, will restore that.) -  Amgine | talk en.WN 20:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Its hardly Abandoned Nyarlathotep 12:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:2003_Iraq_pre-war_intelligence_infobox (Undeletion request)
Was deleted without consensus. Consensus is approx. 80%, this was 50-50: 4 keep, 4 delete (JWSchmidt's vote was obviously a keep vote.)

Evidence: Kevin Baastalk 16:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 *
 *
 *

 * Undelete. Consensus wasn't there on deleting. -- IlyaHaykinson 19:41, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to delete it in the first place, so I'll go with undelete'. Please note that we forgot to orphan it before we deleted it so theres some red links in archived articles where template was used. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 21:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Was not cleaned up to the NPOV standards, contained many irrelevant articles and links.  --Mrmiscellanious 22:37, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete Wikinews does not require a super-majority for deletion. - Amgine 01:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * ""Undelete"" - 172.177.30.116 22:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain. I would like to point out that Vonbergm went to use this on an article recently and nobody else commented on the talk page.  I have pointed him to this page and suggested he request someone restore the template in his userspace for significant cleanup.  I'd add to that a comment that I would not be surprised to see a NPOV tag on an article categorised into the infobox and removal of the corresponding category being the required action.Brian McNeil / talk 19:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Closing Statement: Original vote was 5-4 (counting nominator) for deletion. By contrast this has 3 (4 if you count the IP)-2 for undeletion. If the former is a vote to delete, the latter is a vote for undeletion. So I'm going to undelete this template. --Deprifry|+T+ 19:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Armed conflicts in the world down by 40% since early 1990s.
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 02:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see the talk page. Stale story worthy of 3 or 4 different tags related to talk page concerns by 4 different editors. Neutralizer 19:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose Deletion -- Stories like this never become stale enough not to publish. I will contact each of the editors to see what their current objections are. --Chiacomo (talk) 19:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Neutralizer, the article was never tagged by any editor (other than yourself, recently) for NPOV concerns or other content concerns. The only tag to appear on the article was -- and Cspurrier later removed the tag and published the article. This smells of a spurious DR -- why don't we simply to try to get the article to what you feel is a publishable state? --Chiacomo  (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I endorse Chiacomo's contacting of the 4 editors (as stated above by him) and I will readily abide by their consensus. There is no reason at all to be smelling or assuming anything spurious is happening here; Assume good faith. Also, please note I never said it had been tagged (although you did mention above it was tagged abandoned at one point); I said it was worthy of tags according to the talk page comments. I am sure any objective fresh eyes on this article will quickly see it is no where near up to the standards of wikinews for the very reasons outlined in great detail by 4 editors on the talk page.Please see the talk page before voting.Neutralizer 22:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Questions::  Can we assume good faith and publish this article based on the fact that no one tagged it? --Chiacomo (talk) 22:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I will abide by the consensus of the 4 editors Chiacomo said he would be contacting as of 3 hours ago. Neutralizer 22:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * User:NeuronExMachina has no problem publishing the article. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure good faith is almost always made, however there are concerns with the article still. Now, I would vote for a Keep and hope people will work to address the issues brought by other users.  When it is complete, publish it - but don't touch the date.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 23:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * What exactly are the concerns about this article, now? Please make notes on the article's talk page. Concerning the date: I hadn't thought about bumping the date, but, the topic is just as current today as it was when the article was originally written. I don't see a problem in bumping the date as it was never officially published. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There are concerns from me already on the talk page of the article. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 23:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would also note that proposer ed this article on October 19. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * That was before editors' talk page comments (which made/make sense to me). Neutralizer 15:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It appears that you didn't agree with these comments on the talk page -- they existed before you published the article. So, you must have been especially concerned about this comment (which I think was addressed by adding additional sources from MSM) and this comment concerning article formatting. --Chiacomo (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Before voting; Please read the talk page; I agree with the concerns on the talk page. I am not continuing this distracting 2 party debate. I will accept the will of the community. Neutralizer 18:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Amgine / talk 05:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

SpaceX launches Falcon I rocket
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 12:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned (Oct. 21) Article pre-written for launch, launch has been delayed for at least a month (originally scheduled for January 2005, so...) - Amgine / talk 03:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Their website says their aiming for a late November, early December launch date. I think this article should stick around for a while longer, so I'm voting keep. --Deprifry | +T+ 22:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Word. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 01:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. Well written, just needs to happen now.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 19:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

IRA weapons decommissioned
—M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate, all info in other article. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 11:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Cspurrier 20:27, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Covers article from different angle. - Amgine / talk 01:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Shouldn't those two articles be merged, then?  POV should be neutral in both stories.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 19:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:Immigration australia infobox
'Consensus has been reached on this deletion request, and the result is keep''. Do not add anymore votes or comments on this request.  —M ESSED R OCKER''' (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Template focuses on advocacy of specific POV of an Australian issue. NPOV states: "Policy entails that it is our job to speak for the other side." Clearly this template violates this element of the NPOV policy. - Amgine / talk 05:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep From looking at it, I can't see what POV it is pushing other than that Immigration is an issue for Australia. Brianmc 08:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC) Efdit done to clarify vote, comment still stands Brianmc 00:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep there is no pov pushing here at all. I can not even find the phrase the nominator refers to; even so, taking 13 words out of context and implying that those 13 words are the essence of a long and ambiguous document like NPOV is in itself asserting the nominator's pov rather than simply referring the community to the NPOV document in general which contains numerous references, explanations and exceptions which clearly provide for such a benign info-box as this one.Neutralizer 13:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Valid infobox imho, so keep. --Deprifry | +T+ 13:43, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * keep - The infobox contains articles in Category:Australia and Category:Immigration - the only POV problem I can think of is that articles that appear in those categories focus on a particular issue, and that is hardly the fault of the infobox. It's more an issue of the infobox revealing a bias in article creation. - Borofkin 22:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete category and infobox. Unnecessary items for infoboxes, category.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, which category are you proposing to delete? Category:Australia or Category:Immigration? Or both? - Borofkin 02:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Infobox, then :P. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 03:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Weak Delete - This infobox doesn't use highly specialized categories, though the "Immigration" cat may not be widely used (16 articles at this time). I think some time could be invested in determining what constituted a "top level" category... In my mind, DPLs in infoboxes should only use top level cats, as, as it has been stated by others, other categories are less likely to be used. This is a Weak delete because I don't think infoboxes should be deleted simply because the stories listed in them (using the DPL process) exhibit a POV in their totality -- this isn't the fault of the infobox or it's creator (unless the creator created new categories with the sole purpose of creating a POV infobox). I'm rambling. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:Human rights united states infobox
'Consensus has been reached on this deletion request, and the result is keep''. Do not add anymore votes or comments on this request.  —M ESSED R OCKER''' (talk) 12:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Template's purpose is to imply the USA is a human rights abuser. NPOV states "one is very careful not to state (or imply or insinuate or subtly massage the reader into believing) that any particular view at all is correct." This template clearly violates this element of the NPOV policy. - Amgine / talk 04:57, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete This one I can agree should probably go. I'll ignore any POV issues and say that it is singling out one country in specific.  If we keep it wouldn't we have to start having infoboxes for China, Saudi-Arabia, etc, etc? Brianmc 08:28, 30 October 2005 Note, vote edited for clarification, comment still stands. Brianmc 00:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)(UTC)

 * Keep -This info box has been here since June and has been quite useful. The assumption above that its purpose is to imply something is absurd nonsense as one can not apply motive to a Template. Furthermore, the nominator for deletion relies upon NPOV which states;
 * "We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by only a small minority of people deserved as much attention as a majority view. That may be misleading as to the shape of the dispute. If we are to represent the dispute fairly, we should present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties."
 * In addition, this info-box clearly shows it is in reference to U.S. human rights issues, not those of all the world's countries. If the nominator wishes an info box to cover all the countries in the world he may construct one; but such an info box would be too big,imo. The solution is not to delete this box based on articles about the U.S.'s human rights record but to construct similar info-boxes about other countries or regions; e.g. "Human Rights Iran" which I again invite the nominator to initiate. Construct, don't destroy. Neutralizer 13:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per nom. --Deprifry | +T+ 13:43, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete per Amgine's comments. Category as well.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep - The template could also be used for something like "America passes new law requiring..." or other positive lights. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 02:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep - For the same reasons as given for the Australian Immigration one. - Borofkin 07:33, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Unnecessary and POV --Cspurrier 12:52, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * STRONG KEEP. For more or less the same reasons as Neutralizer. And we have an human rights box for everyone too, and a couple other countries. see WN:IB. If it does have to go It should just stop being used and not deleted because it would change old (archived) articles, and old articles should represent the policy's of the time and not of now. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep Given the fact that we have a human rights info box for Australia and a more general human rights category I see no reason why this infobox should be considered POV. Perhaps there should be more attempts by the community to highlight positive human rights stories based in the US if this is considered biased. --Wolfrider 00:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

News briefs:October 15, 2005
Wrong place for scripts.. -- Flying Canuck 20:56, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No delete, removed DR. Issue has been resolved, user forgot Category. --Mrmiscellanious 20:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Science of Champagne Bubbles Explained
Delete and redirect with Science of champagne bubbles explained Bawolff 22:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

60th anniversary of the end of the war in Asia and Pacific commemorated
Article is entirely about a past, no-longer current event--Article not newsworthy--Grossly biased US/UK Pov that the war crimes against Japan are something to celebrate.

 * Delete; Pure western opinion piece.POV drips from every sentence and link. Pride in the victory and no mention of the victims. Not a current event; a 60th. anniversary of what? Firebombing and atomic bombing women and children? --67.71.122.213
 * Keep Article is about current commemorations of the end of the war in the pacific; facts in article propery sourced to cited articles. Above user is trolling. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENTthe above personal attack "Above user is trolling"note wikipedia definition"In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse."..that personal attack is not appropriate, especially here, and is a slanderous lie. 64.229.30.142 12:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment As creator of article, I won't vote. All I'll say is this: the commemorations are not "celebrating" "war crimes". The commemorations are literally to mark the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and not the many questionable acts committed by all sides during the war. Take care SoLando 04:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid topic. -- Davodd | Talk 06:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Two major commemoration celemonies attended by royals in different countries for a same historical period - contenporary enough, ne. --Aphaia 07:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Its news. Plus, the article could include all info which anyone wants included, but the editor(s) with an anti-US POV refuse to fit their info into context, or even cite sources.  Nyarlathotep 07:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, like mentioned it's news and an event commemorated in many parts of the world, with the current title change it's a perfectly fine new article. 130.89.11.31 07:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A full discussion of the decision to drop the bombs would require us to include the Japanese "sneak attack" on Pearl Harbor, Japanese atrocities against prisoners of war and civilians in nations they occupied (such as the Rape of Nanking, Manchuria), Japan's refusal to surrender despite military defeat of their naval and air forces, and the probability that millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers would have died in a land invasion. While this discussion is worthwhile, I'm not sure we should go into these details in the news article. Also note that many other news orgs reported this story. StuRat 09:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for the reasons above. And take off the tag now, enough votes for it? ClareWhite 12:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

PlusNet Kick 2 Users for Bad Feedback
Rant of dubious newsworth. -- Davodd | Talk 16:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, providing someone finishes it off (unlikely I admit). However this is now most definitely news: The Register Dan100 (Talk) 20:12, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, providing it is cleaned up. StuRat 22:55, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, it's valid consumer rights news. Any of us could be next. Milomedes 08:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, for above reasons. Nyarlathotep 21:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Mozambique
never made it to this page --Azertus 11:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ??? Why do you feel Mozambique doesn't deserve a portal?  --  user:zanimum
 * Please do not list portals here. They are continually developed, and there is no reason to delete them.  --- NGerda 17:59, August 29, 2005 (UTC)


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Canadian gasoline tops $1 a litre, politicians consider options

August 17, 2005 The average retail price of gasoline in Canada surpassed the psychological barrier of CAN $1 (US$0.84) per litre during the past week, according to the Calgary firm M.J. Ervin & Associates.

According to Ervin, the average price for a litre (.26 gallon) of regular unleaded gasoline is now C$1.04 (US$0.87, €0.71)

Fuel remains under a dollar a litre in some parts of the country, with retailers in Edmonton offering the cheapest prices of all the major cities at 93.3 cents/litre. Drivers in Montreal were paying $1.14/litre, the highest price in the country.

The surging price of crude oil has been cited by Ervin as the reason for the unprecedented prices. Rising demand coupled by ongoing political problems in the Middle East have pushed crude prices to new records at the close of each day of trading. The price at the New York Mercantile Exchange is now averaging over US$65 per barrel, a full $20 a barrel higher than one year ago.

"The biggest factor playing into the current pump price is, without a doubt, the high crude oil prices," according to Ervin's Cathy Hay. But she added, "Layering in on top of that is very strong gasoline demand and a decline in inventories."

Hay's remarks echo the view of many analysts that despite the record prices, there is not yet any sign of major changes in Canadians' driving habits.

"(Canadians) will basically grin and bear it. Well, maybe they won't grin, but they'll bear it." Bank of Montreal economist Doug Porter said. "So far we really haven't seen any response whatsoever on the consumer spending front."

The rising fuel prices have prompted the country's major airlines, Air Canada and WestJet to levy fuel surcharges. Analysts expect the rising fuel costs to trigger a rise in the price of many goods and services as shipping costs rise. Concerns regarding the long-term effect of higher fuel prices are prompting demands by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, the Canadian Automobile Association and others that the federal and provincial governments either lower or eliminate gasoline taxes.

Nova Scotian Finance Minister Peter Christie is considering such requests, although he emphasized that such steps would not be taken quickly. Nova Scotian New Democrat leader Darrell Dexter said the province's Harmonized Sales Tax should be removed from gasoline, asserting that since there are already both federal and provincial excise taxes on fuel, it is therefore immoral to charge what is effectively a double tax by adding HST (or the Goods and Services Tax and provincial sales taxes outside Atlantic Canada).

However, federal cabinet ministers were quick to reject calls to lower the federal excise tax to exempt GST. Federal Natural Resources Minister John Efford said the price of gasoline was being driven up by demand for crude oil, not taxes.


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Bangladesh hit by several bomb explosions

August 17, 2005

Several cities and towns in Bangladesh have been rocked by around 459 small explosions occurring simultaneously. To date at least 125 people have been injured and two people have been killed. The two people killed were a bicycle rickshaw driver in the northern town of Chapainawabganj and a 10-year-old boy in the central town of Savar.

The attacks are being blamed on the Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen group. Leaflets bearing the Islamic group’s message were found near many of the homemade bombs. The group is said to want to establish an Islamic state in place of current secular laws.

The bombs were apparently made to cause limited damage. The explosives were packed in small containers and wrapped in tape, paper or sawdust. Explosives created for high collateral damage would typically contain nails or other items that could be used as shrapnel.

Bangladesh currently has the world's third largest Muslim population in the world. The Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen was banned in February after a series of bombings against non-governmental groups including holy shrines and other targets.


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Talk:"Camp Casey" moves to safer land, as Mother's protest continues

Can someone explain the quotes via semicolon, i.e.
 * Joe said;"blah."

Am I just ignorant of some convention?

What is the source for the comment by Greg Müller? Why is it included in the article? It relates only by subject and not of the specific event. There does however seem to be an aspect of larger maneuvering involved with this entire affair that deserves an entry of its own; to collect the varied disparate bits implying it from the other entries and provide a framework for them independent from entries of other aspect focus. I have located an article mentioning the quote and provide link to possibly use as source if quote is deemed necessary or as possibly one of several for a new article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-16-sheehan-unnerved_x.htm. I am unable to submit long comments (article edits, lengthy discussion posts) without receiving error.

This story is way unbalanced and sympathetic to Sheehan and her cause. The only quote in opposition to her is identified as being by a "conservative public-relations executive." No mention is made of the PR firm that MoveOn.org hired to assist her efforts.

 * So? Your quite free to provide more detailed information about the identity of said PR executive.  I don't see a place for the MoveOn comment here, but you should be able to get that into one of the other two stories about this topic.  Nyarlathotep 15:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Regarding the comment that we should avoid an item which "relates only by subject and not of the specific event", I disagree. This would prevent portraying a neutral point of view.  For example, only portraying the event of an incarceration, without bringing in things related to the subject (like the crimes and trial that resulted in the imprisonment), would make all jail time seem wrong. StuRat 19:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You example is a bit of an exaggeration. Here MoveOn is only vaguely related to the "conservative PR executive," not to moving the camp.  OTOH, MoveOn is obviously quite relevant to the article on Casey gaining more widespread attention, so it should be put there.  Nyarlathotep 16:49, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I do agree this story is unbalanced, portraying people who disagree with Sheehan as violent and/or vandals, for example. However, as Bush has largely remained silent on the issue, the best I could do to show his side is that last paragraph.  If anyone else finds some relevant Bush administration quotes, please include them. StuRat 20:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Nahh, its quite balanced, at least it mentions the family relationship between the guy with the gun and the new host. Plus, everyone knows about hicks and pickup trucks.


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Talk:Riot for 50 dollar laptops sold by school in US

Re; why they are selling them this way..It's common for small town governments to try to do something for their less fortunate citizens and they likely didn't realize a lot of resellers might get into the lineups. Ebay has changed everything; now, any good piece of furniture or clothing that goes to a re-sell charity(Good Will etc) just gets grabbed up by ebay resellers. Reselling has become a hobby for most americans now, I think. Neutralizer 18:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:194.19.60.2

Hello is this Jan-Eirik Nilsskog? If so, could you please rewrite your article to specifications outlined in the style guide. Thanks, --TUFKAAP 19:05, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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Virginians melee at used Apple iBook sale

August 18, 2005 "Total chaos" is how many described the melee that resulted from a sale of used Apple iBook laptop computers at the Richmond International Raceway (RIR) by the Henrico County, Virginia school system.

Officials estimated nearly 5,000 people thronged the sale for the $50, four-year-old computers. Among them were 17 injured, four requiring hospitalization - one for a leg injury, and three for heat-related illness, said Henrico County Police. Reports of trampling in the stampede were not uncommon, and one driver reportedly tried to drive through the throng of prospective buyers.

Alice Jemerson, an elderly customer said, "They bum rushed the gates and I was knocked over, fighting for my life. All these people were on top of me."

Shortly after 7am EST officials opened the gates and many residents ran hysterically toward the building where the sale was to occur at 9am.

At a post sale press conference, Henrico County Police spokesman Lieutenant Doug Perry told reporters, "A few bad apples found their way inside. It looked worse than it was." Apple iBooks are the preferred computer for Henrico County schools, and Director of General Services of Henrico County Paul Proto, said changes were made to the event after tremendous interest was generated, some as far away as Europe and California. Officials closed and moved the sale from the Henrico county school warehouse to the RIR, after residents complained that their tax dollars were used to buy the computers, and they ought to have first right to repurchase them. The Henrico County Board of Supervisors voted to amend the County Code so that only residents could purchase the laptop computers.

Although officials had prohibited camping out and overnight parking, some in attendance reported that people began arriving at midnight.

Henrico Police Chief H.W. Stanley, Jr. said five patrol officers were originally planned for the event, a customary presence for an event the size authorities had estimated. But by 6 am, an enormous crowd was assembled at the front gate.

Officials present before opening told the crowd that automobiles would be allowed to enter first, which prompted many to run to their cars. But while some were running back to their cars, others rushed the gate. The resulting confusion created much anger, and guards closed the gates shortly thereafter.

Long lines encircling the sale building were commonplace, and one observer noted, "They're going to see themselves on the news tonight, and see what fools they are."

Some citizens, however, considered their wait worthwhile. Hairstylist and mother of two Sheress Blunt was one of the first hundred to buy one of the iBooks; she came with her mother and said they sneaked into the raceway through a side gate.

Tonya Vaughan arrived at 5:30 a.m., also bought one of the first iBooks and said three people offered to buy it from her for as much as $200. She declined however, saying, "I told them no way! I had worked too hard for it."

Lt. Perry said many officers were complimented on the way they handled the crowd, adding that police were seen letting children who had been pushed aside, into the building.

Mr. Proto said, "There are no plans right now to have another iBook sale."

Henrico County Battalion Police Chief Steve Wood said no arrests were made and the iBooks were sold out by 1pm EST.


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Talk:Virginians melee at used Apple iBook sale

Former title: "Riot for 50 dollar laptops sold by school in Henrico County, Virginia" - slight problem with renaming/moving; had to perform manual move/rename.

Math error ?
Unless one person had both a leg injury and heat-related illness, this is a math error:

"four requiring hospitalization - one for a leg injury, and four for heat-related illness"

StuRat 20:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Overblown story
The minor injuries described indicate that this was not the riot that has been portrayed by the media. StuRat 20:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Are Americans this poor?
I don't get it. I've always been told how america's the greatest,richest country in the world. Now I see the old people taking buses to Canada for drugs, 50 million americans with 0 health insurance; and now, a riot over a bunch of used computers? What's the real deal over there?

 * Many people are poor... not third-world poor or anything, but enough that a nice computer is a luxury. Most people I know are stuck in dinky jobs in fast food, supermarkets, and customer service, and lucky if they can get better than part-time hours.  College doesnt seem to make much of a difference (hence the general amusement at GWB's statement in the last debates about what he would do about jobs being shipped overseas being to help people get educations).

photo
there is a photo available of the melee at the richmond times-dispatch webstite. this is the url: http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlmainpicture&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=MGImage&blobwhere=1031784482811&ssbinary=true

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four requiring hospitalization - one for a leg injury, and four for heat-related illness

Five in total, then. Or was it three for heat-related illness? Please fix.


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User talk:Kevin L. Bardon

Articles written before creating account: Fiddle Legend Vassar Clements dead at 77 (featured article 8.17.05)

For a full list, see also: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=12.219.155.222

Vassar Clements and laptops

 * Hi Kevin. You wrote an excellent article on Vassar Clements.  I didn't want to see it fade away after the news of his death fades, so moved the majority of it into a Wikipedia entry, leaving only the news portion relating to his disease and death in the news article.  The rest is available via a link on his name.  Regarding the laptop riot, remember not to get too specific in the title, since this is for a worldwide audience.  A reader in New Zealand may not know that "Virginian" means American, for example. Also, which specific laptop model caused the riot isn't that important, so should be left to the body of the article, in my opinion.   StuRat 21:15, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Riot article
My thoughts, I think it's stupid over iBooks. Especially old iBooks. If it was ten years ago, people wouldn't give a damn. --TUFKAAP 20:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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Gastric bypass surgery performed by remote control

August 21, 2005

A robotic system at Stanford Medical Center was used to perform a laparoscopic gastric bypass surgery successfully with a theoretically similar rate of complications to that seen in standard operations. However, as there were only 10 people in the experimental group (and another 10 in the control group), this is not a statistically significant sample.

If this surgical procedure is as successful in large-scale studies, it may lead the way for the use of robotic surgery in even more delicate procedures, such as heart surgery. Note that this is not a fully automated system, as a human doctor controls the operation via remote control. Laparoscopic gastric bypass surgery is a treatment for obesity.

There were concerns that doctors, in the future, might only be trained in the remote control procedure. Ronald G. Latimer, M.D., of Santa Barbara, CA, warned "The fact that surgeons may have to open the patient or might actually need to revert to standard laparoscopic techniques demands that this basic training be a requirement before a robot is purchased. Robots do malfunction, so a backup system is imperative. We should not be seduced to buy this instrument to train surgeons if they are not able to do the primary operations themselves."

There are precedents for just such a problem occurring. A previous "new technology", the electrocardiogram (ECG), has lead to a lack of basic education on the older technology, the stethoscope. As a result, many heart conditions now go undiagnosed, especially in children and others who rarely undergo an ECG procedure.


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Two new schools open in Beslan

August 17, 2005 Two new schools have opened in the North Ossetian town of Beslan to replace School Number One that was destroyed in the Beslan school siege.

The mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, attended the opening ceremony and symbolically handed over the keys to the buildings to the school directors. He said the construction of the schools is part of a general plan to help rebuild Beslan and hoped that "children go to school with a feeling that will help them in life in the future".

The construction was financed by the Russian government. The two schools, totalling 36,000 square meters, will house 600 pupils each. The first day of school in the new buildings will be on September 5th, 2005.

Beslan's School Number One was seized by terrorists in September 2004. The 3-day standoff claimed the lifes of 344 people, 172 of them children.

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Talk:Two new schools open in Beslan

I noticed that 172 is EXACTLY half of 344. If this was calculated from a statement that "half of the victims were children", that should be taken to mean APPROXIMATELY half, and no exact calculations should be made based on this. StuRat 21:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi! The source for that information was the Wikipedia article about the Beslan school siege which quotes official data. --Deprifry 21:32, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

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Baghdad morgue received over 1,000 bodies in July

August 18, 2005

The bodies of over 1,000 civilians were brought to Baghdad's morgue last month, the highest recorded death toll for Iraq's capital since the invasion began in March 2003.

Amid preparations for the new Iraqi constitution, the Interim Government has tried to suppress details of the growing number of civilian casualties, but the truth emerged after British veteran journalist Robert Fisk paid a visit to the morgue and was shown the human cost of Iraq's security crisis:

 * So many corpses are being brought to the mortuary that human remains are stacked on top of each other. Unidentified bodies must be buried within days for lack of space — but the municipality is so overwhelmed by the number of killings that it can no longer provide the vehicles and personnel to take the remains to cemeteries.

'The July figures are the largest ever recorded in the history of the Baghdad Medical Institute,' one of the senior managers at the morgue said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

An estimated 1,100 bodies were received by the Baghdad mortuary in July, a rise of 85% compared with figures for the same month before the US-led invasion. The latest figures show a rising trend: in 2004 and 2003 the numbers in July were 800 and 700 respectively. By comparison, equivalent figures for 1997, 1998 and 1999 were all below 200.

All of last month's dead are civilians, the majority male and most aged between 15-44. Fisk, writing in The Independent, described how the task of identifying all of the bodies has been complicated because many have been tortured or otherwise disfigured. 'In many cases, the remains have been shattered by explosions — possibly by suicide bombs — or by deliberate disfigurement by their killers,' he wrote.

The medical authorities have buried 500 nameless bodies since January.


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Two injured in explosion at Toronto fairground

August 17, 2005

Two men were severely hurt in a transformer explosion around 1500h local time at a popular Toronto fairground.

The explosion occurred during preparations for the opening of the Canadian National Exhibition (CNE), the largest fair of its kind in Canada.

The cause of the explosion is unknown and the unidentified men are both in hospital with life-threatening injuries.


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Former northeastern US Republican campaign director charged with conspiracy

August 15, 2005 James Tobin, a Republican who worked as a regional political director for the RNC-affiliated National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, has been charged with conspiracy to deny New Hampshire Democrats the right to vote among three other conspiracy charges. Prosecuters say Tobin conspired with state GOP official Charles Mcgee and consultant Allen Raymond in Virginia, both of whom are cooperating with prosecutors, to have the consultant's telephone firm make repeated hang-up calls to Democratic and labor union get-out-the-vote phone banks, effectively jamming their phone lines. The New Hampshire Republican State Committee paid $15,600 to the firm. Callers requesting transportation to polling places were thus unable to receive any, allege prosecutors.

Republican John Sunonu won a close US Senate race in New Hampshire following the phone-jammings which occurred in November 2002.

The RNC has been paying Tobin's legal fees, which have so far amounted to $722,382. The RNC did not specify that the payments were for Tobin's defense in reports with the FEC, but has since confirmed that they were. RNC Chairperson Ken Mehlman said in a May 18, 2005 statement that he "strongly support[ed]" a "zero-tolerance policy" on election fraud. Some have therefore criticized the GOP for making the payments to the powerful Williams and Connolly law firm. But on August 10, 2005, RNC spokesperson Tracey Schmitt said their support of Tobin through payment of his legal fees is "based on his assurance and our belief that Jim has not engaged in any wrongdoing."

Tobin's involvement is said to have been finding the firm to make the calls. Raymond told prosecutors Tobin explained the scheme to him and asked him to implement it, and his lawyers said that he had believed Tobin was acting under RNC sanction in his then capacity as policial director for New England. Tobin went on to work for the president's re-election campaign.

Paul Tworney, a volunteer lawyer for New Hampshire Democrats said the RNC's actions suggested more people may be involved. "It originally appeared to us that there were just certain rogue elements of the Republican Party who were willing to do anything to win control of the U.S. Senate, including depriving Americans of their ability to vote. But now that the RNC actually is bankrolling Mr. Tobin's defense, coupled with the fact that it has refused some discovery in the civil case, really raises the questions of who are they protecting, how high does this go and who was in on this," said Twoney.

The New Hampshire Democratic Party Chairperson Kathy Sullivan demanded that the state Republican Chairperson Warren Henderson resign.