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Canadian soldiers kill Afghan police officer

August 27, 2006

In the second of what was termed a "regrettable incident" this week, an Afghan officer was shot and killed by Canadian soldiers. Canadian troops opened fire on an Afgan National Police vehicle that was approaching a military installation west of Kandahar. Armed personnel on board the vehicle returned fire, resulting in a shootout between the Canadians and the Afgan police. The occupants of the vehicle are now believed to be members of Afganistan's secret police force, the Amaniyat. Members of Amaniyat do have uniforms, but rarely wear them and rarely travel in marked vehicles.

"It is believed that the persons in the vehicle opened fire in response to warning shots fired by the Canadians," said Col. Fred Lewis, commander of the Canadian forces in Afganistan. "It was at this time [that] Canadian soldiers returned fire on the vehicle and its six occupants." The six were taken to the multinational military hospital at Kandahar airfield and are undergoing treatment. They are currently listed in serious but stable condition.

40 minutes later, a second incident occurred reminiscent of a shooting earlier this week in which a 10 year old boy was killed. Two motorcyclists were injured when they approached the same artillery installation at allegedly high speed. Canadian troops opened fire on the motorcycle riders after they allegedly failed to heed warning shots. "Efforts to slow or divert the scooter failed and troops subsequently fired shots in self-defence. One man was injured by a shot while the other wounded when the scooter ran off the road," stated a press release from NATO. The motorcyclists were later identified as also being members of the Afghan police.

"It would appear that Canadian soldiers reacted in self-defence in both incidents, one of which was regrettably a friendly force on friendly force engagement," Lewis said.

NATO apologized for the incidents, describing both shootings as self-defence reactions to volatile circumstances. Canada's military investigative body, the NIS and the Afghan police will investigate the shootings.


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Hello folks,

This is the first article I've sent directly to publish. I appreciate criticism because I'm still new to this publishing format. -N
 * Looks really good (Much better then I could write), only thing I could see is the title is a bit similiar to the CBC source article. (I don't think theres any rule against that, but to me it seems like a good idea to have a different title). cheers. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 04:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Bawolff;

Thank you for your comments. I will endeavour to make my article titles more original. I try to format my articles using both the Wikinews Style Guide (someone should consider publishing the Wikinews Style Guide in paperback!) and the BBC Radio Style Guide. When I'm writing science articles I use the University of Chicago Style Guide (it's boaring, but it works).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/radio_newsroom/1099302.stm

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Eleven year-old boy arrested on suspicion of assaulting a four year-old boy in East Yorkshire

August 27, 2006

An eleven year-old boy has been arrested this morning on suspicion of attacking a four year-old boy in Hessle, East Yorkshire. The boy was arrested on suspicion of assault and has been bailed to mid-September pending further inquiries.

Charlie Davis was left with a fractured skull after being battered with a brick. The incident happened on wasteland close to the child’s home before lunchtime on Thursday, and he was discovered by a couple who were out walking. He was in a puddle of blood and part of his ear was hanging off; doctors at Hull Royal Infirmary later performed surgery to repair it.

Yesterday, a spokeswoman from Humberside Police said: “This little boy has suffered a nasty attack and has some horrible injuries.”

Police say they haven’t been able to talk to Charlie about the attack, and they say that they are keeping an “open mind” about the attack. A police spokeswoman added: “Police hope to be able to take a statement and get a full account of the incident from the four-year-old victim some time today, so long as he's able to speak to us.”

According to reports, the little boy was tied to a tree before being battered, but police said there was no evidence to verify such information.


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British soldier shot and killed in southern Afghanistan

August 27, 2006 A British soldier has been killed in southern Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) says.

A spokeswoman from the MoD said: "It is with deep regret that the MoD can confirm the death of a British soldier during a contact with enemy insurgents in northern Helmand, Afghanistan, at approximately 0500 local time. The soldier was shot and killed during an attack in northern Helmand. Next of kin are being informed and no further details will be released until that process is completed."

Eight British soldiers have died in Afghanistan this month. In total, twenty-one have died since military operations started in November 2001.


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Welcome
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First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases. Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources.

Thanks again!Doldrums 13:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Frederick, i marked the article u submitted as a copyright violation mistakenly and have now reverted it. but i've unpublished the article, as it does not appear to the meet Wikinews content guidelines. Wikinews articles report a news event, whereas the article is an analysis/editorial, and as such is not wikinews' cup of tea. i'll move the article to ur user space for the time being (ths is what we typically do to an "editorial" article, if it can be rewritten to report on a news event, with aome of the analysis as relevant, sourced and npov background, it can then be published as a news article. thanks, and apologies for the earlier tagging. Doldrums 13:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * hi, i've now moved the article to ur userspace. u can find it here: User:Fredericknoronha/Understanding language politics in Goa, India. Doldrums 13:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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Chad orders oil companies out of the country

August 27, 2006 The President of Chad, Idriss Déby has ordered the US oil company ChevronTexaco and the Malaysian Petronas to leave the country in 24 hours for non-payment of taxes. Associated Press quotes a government official saying that three ministers, including the Oil minister who was involved in negotiations with the consortium have been suspended.

Spokesmen for both the companies said that they have not received any official intimation of the expulsion orders, and a Chevron spokesperson said that the company was fully compliant with its tax obligations. The two companies account for 60% of the 160-170 thousand barrels of oil currently produced per day in Chad. Déby announced that the government has asked the companies earlier this month to honour their corporate tax obligations, but the companies had not responded. The Associated Press reports that the government has asked the company to pay $450 million in taxes owed.

"From tomorrow, representatives of Chevron and Petronas must leave Chad and close their offices for not respecting their commitment in accordance with clauses relating to the payment of taxes on the companies," said Deby on Saturday.

ChevronTexaco, Petronas and ExxonMobil formed a consortium in 1988 to exploit oilfields in the Saharan region. On Wednesday, Déby had asked his government to renegotiate the 1988 contract signed with the consortium, under which Chad would get 12.5% of the wellhead-value of the oil produced, minus transportation costs and a "quality discount". Déby has also said that three ministers involved in making the deal would be removed and will appear before courts.

Déby said that after 3 years of production, the consortium had earned a $5 billion return on a $3 billion investment, while the government of Chad has received $588-million as oil revenues.

A source in the oil ministry said that the state owned Chad Hydrocarbons Company would be brought into the consortium. There is also speculation in the media that Chinese oil companies may enter the field, with Chad recently resuming diplomatic ties with China.

Chad was involved in a dispute over oil revenues earlier in the year. Last December, the Chad government relaxed laws it had earlier passed, which mandated that 80% of oil revenues must be spent on developmental works. The spending restrictions were demanded by the World Bank when it helped finance an oil pipeline linking oil fields in Chad to Atlantic ports. The World Bank responded to the change in laws by withholding payment of revenues. In June, an agreement was reached to spend 70% on developmental works.

The restrictions were meant to combat corruption and mismanagement in government spending - Chad was labeled the world's most corrupt state by a Transparency International survey last year.


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Felipe Massa wins 2006 Turkish Grand Prix

August 27, 2006 Brazilian driver, driving for , won the Turkey at  on Sunday, marking his first  victory. and placed second and third respectively in a close finish.

Massa began at pole position and capitalised on an incident right at the start, when 's Alonso braked hard, causing team mate to lose control as he attempted to avoid contact. The incident disrupted much of the initial grid behind them, with multiple contacts involving Nick Heidfeld, Pedro de la Rosa, Ralf Schumacher, Scott Speed, Kimi Raikkonen, Takuma Sato, Tiago Monteiro and Jarno Trulli, forcing many of them to take a pit stop at the end of the lap.

Massa's Ferrari teammate Michael Schumacher lost the second position to Alonso while the German was awaiting Massa on the pit-lane. On the dying laps of the race Schumacher pushed hard on Alonso until the finish line. They finished together, with the official timing unable to split them, and Alonso won by protecting his line into the final corner.

, one of Honda's drivers, finished fourth.

Once again failed to finish, quitting the race not long after after the start incident and - teammate  replaced him in his position.

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Wikinews:Avoid weasel words

Weasel words are words or phrases that seemingly support statements without attributing opinions to verifiable sources. Weasel words give the force of authority to a statement without letting the reader decide if the source of the opinion is reliable. If a statement can't stand on its own without weasel words, it lacks neutral point of view; either a source for the statement should be found, or the statement should be removed.

For example, "Montreal is the nicest city in the world," is a biased or normative statement. Application of a weasel word can give the illusion of neutral point of view: "Some people say Montreal is the nicest city in the world."

Although this is an improvement, since it no longer states the opinion as fact, it remains uninformative:
 * Who says that? You?
 * When did they say it? now?
 * How many people think that? Just how many is "some"? "most"??
 * What kind of people think that? Where are they?
 * What kind of bias might they have?
 * Why is this of any significance?

Weasel words don't really give a neutral point of view; they just spread hearsay, or couch personal opinion in vague, indirect syntax. It is better to put a name and a face on an opinion than to assign an opinion to an anonymous source.

Examples
Here are some weasel words that are sometimes found in Wikinews articles:

 * "Some people say..."
 * "Some argue..."
 * "Contrary to many..."
 * "As opposed to most..."
 * "Research has shown..."
 * "...is widely regarded as..."
 * "...is widely considered to be..."
 * "...is thought to be..."
 * "It is believed that..."
 * "It has been said/suggested/noticed/decided/stated..."
 * "Some people believe..."
 * "Some feel that..."
 * "They say that..."
 * "Many people say..."
 * "It may be that..."
 * "Could it be that..."
 * "It could be argued that..."
 * "Critics/experts say that..."
 * "Some historians argue..."
 * "Considered by many..."
 * "Critics contend..."
 * "Observers say..."
 * "Fans say..."
 * "Accusations..."
 * "Apparently..."
 * "Allegedly..."
 * "Arguably..."
 * "Obviously..."
 * "Serious scholars/scientists/researchers..."
 * "Mainstream scholars/scientists/researchers..."
 * "The (mainstream) scientific community"
 * "It is claimed..."
 * "It should be noted that..."
 * "Correctly (justly, properly, ...) or not, ..."
 * Anthropomorphisms like "Science says ..." or "Medicine believes ..."
 * "...is only one side of the story"
 * "Experts suggest..."

Other problems
The main problem with weasel words is that they interfere with Wikinews' neutral point of view. But there are other problems as well.

 * Wordiness. Weasel words are sentence stuffing; they make sentences longer without carrying any information.
 * Passive voice. Many weasel words require a sentence to be in the passive voice, e.g. "It has been said that ...". Though the passive voice is syntactically correct, Strunk and White recommend against its overuse in their Elements of Style, calling it "less direct, less bold, and less concise" than the active voice. Even bearing this in mind, the grammatical and linguistic legitimacy of the passive voice in stylistic usage isn't the issue in and of itself as much as the inevitable omission it permits, that of exactly who or what it is behind the words or actions in question. In typical sentences of this form, e.g. "it has been said he has had a shady past", the writer is able to utilize the passive voice to effectively construct a very convincing-sounding instance of a doubly fallacious appeal to authority, not bothering to lend any credibility to the authority in question or even assert its existence, for that matter.
 * Convoluted syntax. Weasel words require some convoluted syntax to get a point across. "A square has four sides" is a simple sentence; "Though not universally, squares are widely regarded as having an even number of sides that has been conjectured by experts in the field to be approximately four" wraps the key point in layers of syntactic obfuscation, leaving it to be harvested out of a strange little participial phrase by the reader.
 * Use of "clearly" or "obviously". In written language, the word "clearly" is often used to tell the reader that an argument or discussion is clear when it is not. In cases such as these, it is often useful to substitute the claim of "clearly" with actual clear writing.
 * Some/many/most/all/few. Sentences like Some people think... lead to arguments about how many people actually think that. Is it some people or most people? How many is many people? As a rule, ad populum arguments should be avoided as a general means of providing support for a position.
 * Repetition. Barring prolific levels of creativity, overuse of weasel words leads to very monotonous-sounding articles due to the constraints they impose on sentence structure. It is, sadly, not uncommon to encounter a section detailing different opinions on some subject following the general format of "Some argue... [..] Others respond... [..] Still others point out that [..]" Ad nauseam and potentially ad infinitum (as it is in the nature of controversies of sufficient breadth to have a counter-argument to every argument, and without proper citation the only criterion for the inclusion of any argument becomes that it has, indeed, been expressed by somebody at some indeterminate point of time in the past).

Improving weasel-worded statements
The key to improving weasel words in articles is either a) to name a source for the opinion or b) to change opinionated language to concrete facts. Consider, for example, this weaselly sentence: "Some people have suggested that John Smith may be a functional illiterate." Or the equally as weaselly, "His critics have suggested that John Smith may be a functional illiterate." If a source for the opinion is cited, the readers can decide for themselves how they feel about the source's reliability, e.g.

 * "Author Ed Jones, in his book John Smith is an Idiot, wrote an open letter to Smith asking, 'John, are you able to read and write on an adult level?'"

Peacock terms are especially hard to deal with without using weasel words. Again, consider the sentence "The Yankees are the greatest baseball team in history." It's tempting to rephrase this in a weaselly way- for example, "Some people think that the Yankees are the greatest baseball team in history." But how can this opinion be qualified with an opinion holder? There are millions of Yankees fans and hundreds of baseball experts who would pick the Yankees as the best team in history. Instead, it would be better to eliminate the middleman of mentioning this opinion- widespread as it may be- entirely, in favor of the facts that have been the vectors of its adoption:

 * "The New York Yankees have won 26 World Series championships -- almost three times as many as any other team."

Exceptions
As with any rule of thumb, this guideline should be balanced against other needs for the text, especially the need for brevity and clarity. Some specific exceptions that may need calling out:

 * When the belief or opinion is actually the topic of discussion. For example, "In the Middle Ages, most people believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth."
 * When the holders of the opinion are too diverse or numerous to qualify. For example, "Some people prefer dogs as pets; others prefer cats."
 * When contrasting a minority opinion. "Although Brahms's work is part of the classical music canon, Benjamin Britten has questioned its value." Brahms's importance is almost, but not quite, an undisputed fact; it's not necessary to source the majority opinion when describing the minority one.

''This page is based on a Wikipedia policy, Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words, which is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License (history). It is not licensed under the CC-BY license as Wikinews content unless and until completely rewritten.''

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Talk:Felipe Massa wins 2006 Turkish Grand Prix

Original reporting notes
TV channel - Ren TV, Russia

Date - 27.08.2006

Time - 15:00-15:45 MSK - «Formula 1»: «Countdown»

Time - 15:45-18:15 MSK - «Formula 1»: «Race: Live from Turkey»

Time - 18:15-18:30 MSK - «Formula 1»: «Hot review. Best moments of GP»

Commentators - Alexey Popov "Russian Voice of Formula-1" (live event), Andrey Leontiev & Maria Rumyantseva (TV-show before and after the race)

Corrections
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All uses of Filipe Massa to read Felipe Massa
 * ✅ — Gopher65talk 18:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

 * And the title, please. Cdhaptomos (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ Tempodivalse [talk]  14:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

categorizing by race team sponsor
The suggestion was to categorize by, in this case, Honda since there is a mention of Honda's race team. This reminds me of the usage note at Category:Boeing. My initial instinct is that it's more of a peripheral reference than a categorizable involvement. Though I've wondered if, in the long term, we ought to aspire to some semi-convenient way to conjure up a list of articles that link to a given category and are therefore more distantly related than those in the category. --Pi zero (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


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User talk:67.33.130.38

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A WikiBureau is a metadata page that attempts to bring editors together who are working on writing and publishing similar articles, for example related to a specific county or region of the world.

What are the advantages?

 * Standardization of look and feel. There are existing page that deal with standardization, but they cannot be applied generically. The conventions for entries on mathematics or chemistry are worlds apart from the conventions for 'foreign languages'.
 * Allows the development of special interest communities within the Wikinews. This has already happened of course, but the WikiBureau page formalises the process.
 * Permits strategic planning and consensual discussion. by centralizing the talk forums to predictable locations, we minimize the fragmentation of discussion into multiple locations.
 * Allows controlled dynamic evolution. The inherent problem in any communal project is that without central authority chaos emerges. But with excessive central authority, stagnation sets in. The WikiBureau is a 'central authority' (thus providing the benefits of stability), but the WikiBureau page itself remains consensual and dynamic. Where evolution occurs, the process can be centrally managed.
 * a convention for information management. Participants in the overall Wikinews will have a convention defined for creating new projects, and they will know where to go to find existing framework definitions and discussion forums for the framework.
 * A resource for standards and comprehensiveness. Numerous attempts have been made to document what has not been achieved and give suggestions for areas needing attention. This merely formalities the process.
 * Provides a forum for 'Endorsement', without closing off editorial freedom. Each WikiProject can evolve a definition of "minimum required standard". As entries achieve this status, they can be documented on the WikiBureau page. Dissenters can always remove the status, or upgrade the entry in question.
 * Helps to build community among users, by creating common goals that people can work towards. Editors tend to be focused on their own articles and their own pet projects, and WikiBureaux allow users to get together and work collaboratively on greater goals.

What a WikiBureau is not
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Is it worth the effort?
The value of such a metadata management model increases with the volume of contributors. In a case where only a handful of contributors are working on a project the actual value of a WikiBureau page is negative - it only adds additional work. However, as the volume of contributors increases the work required to maintain the WikiBureau pages is substantially less than the work required to correct the fragmentation of style and content, and the duplication which will otherwise occur.

Some WikiBureaux are valuable in that they provide a centralized discussion location, so that discussions are not fragmented. Discussions that occur in busy places will eventually be archived, and archived discussions are difficult to find.

How to Start a WikiBureau
WikiBureaux should have a clear objective in mind, and should work to meet some goal. Once a new WikiBureau is started, it can be advertised on the staff lounge or the bulletin board. It is currently advised that WikiBureau's hyperlink be in the form of: Wikinews:WikiBureau_YourBureauName

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Talk:49 dead after Comair regional jet crashes in Kentucky

"Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible cause."?
First of all, even the 1 source which addresses terrorism does not say that at all. The FAA use the weasel words of "FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency had no indication at all that terrorism was involved."

Second of all. let's think about it; what kind of evidence would already be known so fast that would be an "indication of terrorism"...a handwritten note that survived the fire?

Thirdly, do you really think the Bush admin wants to crush domestic air travel and the US economy by ever admitting this was caused by terrorism if it were to be the case? Remember "National Security" trumps truthtelling every time.

Fourthly, the airplane was "largely intact"...it's hard for me to believe noone got out unless it was an onboard terrorist started fire exactly like the ones that the London guys were allegedly planning.

Fifthly; I simply can not believe this article was published saying "Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible cause." when there is absolutely nothing whatsoever in the sources to justify that rank falsehood. Neutralizer 16:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree that your edit to remove the assertion that terrorism was ruled out was appropriate, I suspect the FAA spokesperson had information on the most probable cause and this would not be revealed ahead of crash investigators completing a preliminary analysis. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have added a source for the statement about terrorism and added it back to the article. I live in Lexington, and so that statement was based on local news broadcasts; I didn't realize it wasn't mentioned in the sources.--128.163.247.197 17:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Article looks pretty good now, as it has had publish on it since about 2pm wiki time I'd suggest that future developments go in new stories unless it is something like the survivor dying in the next 6-8 hours. Breaking should probably be removed on the same timescale. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't understand. What is the reasoning for the especially early(for us) edit cut off regarding this story? Neutralizer 22:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The point was to avoid a date bump. There was enough material to do the initial report of the accident with casualty figures and a more in-depth article with the initial analysis from the black box plus details of passengers.  We do have those two articles now, but the first one is buried in the history now instead of being a separate story on the 27th. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Title is ambiguous, it could mean one crash or more than one.
The phrase "jet crashes" is ambiguous, because it means different things depending on whether crash is a noun or a verb. "jet crashes" could mean "a jet crashes" (verb) or several "jet crashes" (noun). I suggest a clearer title is "Many dead after jet crash in Kentucky" or "Many dead after a jet crashes in Kentucky." TRWBW 19:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Problems confirming the crash site with Google Earth
1; Live TV is showing the plane carcass nestled next to a forest. The only forest I see is at the end of the longer runway

2; Why are there no crash scene photos online that actually show the plane carcus? They just show cars (NOT EMERGENCY VEHICLES) parked around some buildings.

3; The one CNN crash photo(click on gallery is terrible and but it does show a forest which google earth does NOT show at the end of the shorter runway.

I would simply like to see a crash scene photo with perspective to the runways; can anyone find one? Neutralizer 21:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

4; This photo showing an emergency vehicle going up a road toward the crash site; Google Earth shows a road like this near the long runway but not the short one. Neutralizer 21:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind Google Earth photos are offten 10+ years old, alot can change in that time. --Cspurrier 22:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All I want is a photo of the crash scene with the runway(s) in the background or an overhead shot showing the runway(s) and the crash scene. If the crash happened just at the end of the runway, that shouldn't be too hard to find on the internet but I can not find it. Neutralizer 22:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, this photo shows a hill which I don't see anywhere near the short runway and the curvey road in the photo looks older than 10 years to me. Neutralizer 22:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Short Runway
Here is a source from Canada.com: ''The burning plane was just off the end of the airport's 1,066-kilometre-long general aviation runway, an unlit strip built at a V shape to the longer main runway. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, it would have been too short for the CRJ-200 jet.'' Jason Safoutin 22:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is another source from the Houston Chronicle: The plane crashed in a field just beyond the airport's shorter, 3,500-foot runway, not typically used by commercial planes. Everyone else aboard the plane died in the fire, Fayette County Coroner Gary Ginn said. Jason Safoutin 22:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why the early edit cut off? Rezilartuen 22:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but it just shows how screwed up the major reporting is. The canada.com link says; "The burning plane was just off the end of the airport's 1,066-kilometre-long 1,066-kilometre-long general aviation runway." 1,066 kilometers is 662 miles. The crash scene on live TV looks nothing like the terrain at the end of the shorter runway as shown by google earth. Also the buildings shown in the news reports photos do not exist near the shorter runway on the google earth zoom. All I want is to see a crash scene photo with the runways in the background before nightfall. Neutralizer 22:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Google earth images can be 10yrs plus old or more. Jason Safoutin 22:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Another source at the Times Online UK. Jason Safoutin 22:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

National Security Directives
I believe the President can issue these instructing US citizens and/or companies to lie about or cover up something or go to jail if they don't comply. Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that. I am very suspicious that the google earth views of the buildings and terrain at the end of the shorter runway do not match at all the live tv shots I saw earlier of the crash site. Neutralizer 22:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I realise you're just trolling...but did you ever think that possibly you're putting a tiny bit too much reliance on Google Earth's data?69.221.248.212 00:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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I think I caught them
Have a look at and go to the   Raw video of crash site  Via WHAS-TV helicopter. This was taken from a local helicopter early this morning while the plane was still burning. Pull up the Google Earth view and notice just west of the short runway a big white circle in the ground and the road running north of it as landmarks. The helicopter's camera is facing directly over the white circle in the ground from North of the road as they discuss the fire and the camera is facing throughout the broadcast directly south toward end of the longer runway. You can even see the longer runway in the distance as well as a couple of buildings near the end of the long runway which you can also see on google earth. Also, were the camera, from any spot north of that road and circle aiming toward the alleged crash scene at the end of the short runway you would be able to clearly see the short runway with the airport in the background which you never see in the WCPO broadcast. You will also notice that right in the middle of this big news broadcast the helicopter gets a call from the station ordering it to shut down the broadcast and land the copter. Neutralizer 03:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There are multiple published photos which show the skid marks and fence damage caused by the landing gear and resulting from the plane's abortive attempt at takeoff from the short runway. The NTSB has confirmed that the flight data recorder shows a heading of 260 degrees. Let's not start conspiracy theories before 49 people are buried. That's not reporting, that's rumormongering. FCYTravis 03:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment; I am anti-theory. So far government officials have offered a rainy weather theory, a taxi route changed theory and short runway thepry while handy experts have offered a resource management theory and engine trouble theory. Then there is the the not-terrorism theory. I am opposed to any and all of these theories being published in Wikinews except in quotes deemed very necessary to the articles as none of the theories are really news and all are conspiracy theories imo. Neutralizer 19:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Neutralizer: the talk page is for discussion to improve the article. It does not appear that your research is attempting to do this. Please desist. -  Amgine | m 03:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

first reports
I think we should mention in the article that first coments by the FAA blamed the accident on the non-existant rain. "crashed in a rural farm field at 6:07 a.m. shortly after taking off in rainy weather" and handy experts blamed engine trouble; "the crash was probably engine-related" with no mention at all that the crash was at the end of the shorter runway which should have been immediately obvious. I would also like to find another incident (to use as a related article) anytime in history where 2 commercial pilots took off in darkness from an unlit runway instead of an available lit runway. This article should also include some information about the video camera record of the airport tarmac that must surely exist in this post 9/11 environment. Where is that video? The video will show which runway the plane took off from.Neutralizer 13:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Aircraft model
It was a CRJ-200ER, not a CRJ-100. See: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=431CA&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0 Look at the engine model which shows it has the newer engines, making it a CRJ-200.
 * Does that effect it's ability to take off from the smaller runway? Neutralizer 19:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

editprotected
editprotected Please add Category:Bombardier Canadair Regional Jet

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Many dead after jet crashes in Kentucky
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A commuter plane crashed in Lexington, Kentucky just after 6:00 AM this morning. Fifty people were on board the plane. There is one confirmed survivor.

Canadian soldiers kill Afghan police officer
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In the second of what was termed a "regrettable incident" this week, an Afghan National Police officer was shot and killed by Canadian soldiers.

British soldier shot and killed in southern Afghanistan
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Chad orders oil companies out of the country
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An eleven year-old boy has been arrested this morning on suspicion of attacking a four year-old boy in Hessle, East Yorkshire. The boy was arrested on suspicion of assault and has been bailed to mid-September pending further inquiries.

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