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20 years on: Sioux City, Iowa remembers crash landing that killed 111

July 21, 2009 Twenty years ago, on July 19, 1989, United Airlines Flight 232 crash landed in Sioux City, Iowa, U.S.. 111 of those on board were killed - but the actions of the crew helped save the other 185 flying on the DC-10.

The airliner was a trijet, with one engine mounted in the tail. This engine had a cracked fan disc which went undetected by the airline despite inspections, and on that flight the component failed completely, shattering and sending debris flying. This debris damaged all three hydraulic systems that controlled the aircraft, leaving the jet without any conventional means of control. "We had no ailerons. We had no rudder. We had no elevator. We had no spoilers. We had no wing flaps. Everything that controlled the movement of the airplane we lost," said Captain Alfred C. Haynes.

The pilots were quickly joined by a DC-10 instructor who was traveling as a passenger, and together they improvised a method of 'skid steering' the aircraft. Captain Haynes recalls "[We had] these two engines, and by varying the thrust on those two engines, we could skid the airplane one way or the other. And if you thrust both throttles up at the same time, the increase in thrust would pitch the nose up, and if you closed both throttles it would pitch the nose down."

The flight crew flew the aircraft in this manner for 45 minutes before reaching Sioux Gateway Airport in Iowa's Soiux City. "It looked real good. I thought he was going to make it," said air traffic controller Kevin Bachman of the moments before touchdown. But it wasn't to be: the right wing dropped down and struck the runway, sending the aircraft cartwheeling down the tarmac until it broke up in a fireball.

Haynes was knocked out in the accident, and when he came to he "asked if everybody made it. And [flight engineer] Dudley said no. And I said Oh my God, I killed people." The accident occurred as two nearby hospitals were changing shifts,meaning plenty of emergency personnel were on hand to help with the rescue effort. The National Guard were also in the area.

Haynes has since come to terms with the accident. He does continue to provide lectures on pulling as a team in challenging circumstances. Today his stance upon the praise directed towards him and his crew is that "If you're going to call a hero, you've got to call everyone involved. The hundreds or thousands involved in the whole operation."

A ceremony was held in Sioux City to mark the anniversary. Former 185th Air National Guard chaplain and doctor Dr. Gregory Clapper, who counseled victims and rescuers alike, commented that "Humans are historical beings. When we suffer a loss, the date of the loss becomes so significant. Although it may not be objectively important to others, taking note of that date may be beneficial for those who suffered the loss," he said at the event in Chris Larsen Park.

The National Transportation Safety Board's investigation resulted in new procedures for the way airlines inspect their aircraft in the U.S. However modest Haynes and his fellow crew members may be, the fact remains that twenty years on their achievements remain recognized as one of the world's most remarkable displays of airmanship in the face of the odds.


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Black spot on Jupiter is impact site, says NASA

July 21, 2009

A black spot about the size of the Earth that appeared on the upper cloud surface of the planet Jupiter on July 19 has been confirmed to be the result of a massive object, probably a comet or asteroid, crashing into the planet, according to the results of of the planet taken at NASA's.

The spot, located near Jupiter's south pole, was first reported by Anthony Wesley, an amateur astronomer from, New South Wales, Australia who was observing the planet late on the 19th Australia time, around 1330 on July 20. Wesley called in a tip to NASA, whose Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) began their own observations at the. A team under Glenn Orton then confirmed Wesley's original theory, citing similarities between the black, hot region in the atmosphere and the aftermath of the impact of, which broke into pieces and impacted Jupiter exactly 15 years previously — July 16 to July 22, 1994.

Wesley's tip was instrumental in securing the best possible observations. "We were extremely lucky to be seeing Jupiter at exactly the right time, the right hour, the right side of Jupiter to witness the event. We couldn't have planned it better", said Orton in a NASA press release. Leigh Flecther, a postdoctoral fellow at JPL, called the observations "the most exciting observations I've seen in my five years of observing the !"

Wesley almost missed observing the spot. He told the Guardian, "I was imaging Jupiter until about midnight and seriously thought about packing up and going back to the house to watch the golf and the cricket. In the end I decided to just take a break and I went back to the house to watch almost make history. I came back down half an hour later and I could see this black mark had turned into view."

Unlike Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, the object responsible for Jupiter's new black spot was not detected prior to its impact.

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Comments:Workers at England wind turbine plant stage occupation

Isn't there an oil refinery or something in Mexico that has been closed down for years but people still "work" there because they're in a union and can't be forced to leave? Anyways, i think it's silly to keep something open purely for the employees. Not the greatest business strategy.

This is stupid.
They shouldn't be allowed to occupy the plant it isn't theirs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.130.122 (talk) 14:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * HAHAHA, WHO CARES ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS?

Yes! This British example as well as the French workers demands for reasonable severance pay at the JLG factory last week are methods that should be adopted by American workers too. The greed of the corporations and exploitation of the workers who are the backbone of all corporate success and profits can no longer be tolerated. It is obvious that the fat cats will continue abusing employees as long as they can get away with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolmc (talk • contribs) 18:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. Let the workers run the plants and see how long they last. I wouldn't give any of them a year without the "fat cats". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.35.37 (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Start your own business, let me know how it works out for you. 128.211.175.217 (talk) 13:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


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Talk:20 years on: Sioux City, Iowa remembers crash landing that killed 111

Some quick notes: If you want proof for the date on that NTSB source, you gotta trawl through this. That Dudley was the flight engineer isn't mentioned anywhere, but trust me, he was. I think everything in my description of the crash is in those sources, but if not, you'll have to trust me; I've read the report. King5 link to a copy if you fancy checking it. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


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You should change the "is" in the title of the story to "was", or do something about the sentence "Wesley almost missed observing the spot" which seem to imply that the spot is gone. --80.167.173.75 (talk) 17:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Jupiter goes around every 9 hours -- so fast that if he's stayed in, it would have been on the other side of the planet a little later. --Killing Vector (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Newsworthiness

Each Wikinews article focuses on a news event. Our main criterion for whether an event is suitable for coverage is that it should be newsworthy.

Wikinews seeks to publish, broadly, what a (reputable) mainstream source would run as a news article; however, Wikinews is its own unique project with its own standards to follow. Wikinews is global in reach but potentially local in coverage; and we may cover events — either local or global — with little or no previous mainstream coverage; so we cannot appropriately use inclusion criteria similar to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Our notion of newsworthiness, though putting meaningful bounds on our coverage so we remain a news site, should welcome all these different kinds of material.

What, then, is "newsworthy"? Newsworthy items pass three tests: They are specific, relevant, and fresh.

Specificity
Each news article documents some specific event — the focus — which the headline and lede must identify. An ongoing process is unlikely to pass muster; look for some specific development in an ongoing process, to serve as the focus. An earthquake is specific, while continental drift is not. The publication of, say, the results of a study about continental drift is, however, again a specific event.

An article can cover a larger picture than just its specific focus, provided the material is built around the focus. The body of the article spirals outward from the focus, giving details and background about the focus. It is still oriented around the focus — don't write an article that mentions the focus and then abruptly takes off in a different direction — but with coherent presentation, the focus can be placed in a wider context. For example;
 * Cypriot court clears all of wrongdoing in Greek air disaster

Relevance
Stories are judged on a case-by-case basis; editors may have somewhat differing opinions on the definition of "relevant". However, here are some guidelines for whether a story is likely to be considered acceptably relevant:

 * How many people does the story impact? To how many people would this story be relevant? If the answer is a few hundred or less, the story would probably not be significant enough for inclusion.
 * Is the story getting coverage in the mainstream media? If not, then that could — but not always — be an indicator that the story isn't relevant to enough people, even at the local level.  There is a flip side to this — if a story is being covered by many news sources, that does not necessarily indicate that the story must be newsworthy enough for our standards.  In this case, one should apply the impact/relevancy question described above.

The car crash test
A good test is to compare the story to a minor traffic collision of the sort that might grace the pages of a local paper. This might be considered the very lowest end of what would be sufficiently newsworthy local news. If the story is less important than that, it's not likely to be published. Examples of acceptable articles at the lowest end of the newsworthiness scale are;
 * Driver hits median strip, rolls vehicle in NSW, Australia
 * Residents of Leeds, England neighbourhood plagued with crime ask council for help
 * Stornoway, Scotland shop Wee W announces imminent closure

Earthquakes
There are lots of detectable earthquakes around the globe each day; we generally allow an earthquake is news-relevant in itself  if its magnitude is at least 6.0. The says earthquakes of that size happen about once every three days on average (as of this writing; ).

 * By the way, a hint on writing earthquake articles: the usual scale for measuring earthquakes is the ; the is mostly not used anymore.

A smaller quake could be news-relevant, but there would have to be some additional reason, such as property damage, or casualties, or because earthquakes of its size are especially unusual in the area where it occurred. Here are some examples of articles about smaller earthquakes.
 * Earthquake injures 25 people in southern Philippines; magnitude was variously reported as 5.5 or 5.8
 * Magnitude 5.8 earthquake in Virginia felt up and down U.S. east coast, Pentagon evacuated; we also had a "short" covering a magnitude 3.1 aftershock

The Wikimedia exception
Historically, Wikinews often published articles about sister projects of the Wikimedia Foundation. In recent years this has come to be frowned upon as "navel gazing". Stories about Wikipedia etc are not banned, but the bar is set slightly higher in this regard, not least because there are dedicated internal newsletters. Examples of articles that are acceptable are;
 * Main belt asteroid No. 274301 named 'Wikipedia'
 * Wikimania 2012 tackles diversity issues
 * Wikinews interviews Sue Gardner on Wikipedia blackout
 * Turkey blocks Wikipedia, alleging smear campaign
 * Mozilla, Creative Commons, Wikimedia Foundation announce Bassel Khartabil Free Culture fellowship following execution of open culture activist

Freshness
The focus of a Wikinews article must be fresh when the article is published.

An unpublished article is typically considered stale when it's five to seven days old. There are two exceptions to this: one for reporting on a story where new information about the event comes to light days later, and one for original reporting; we'll discuss these in more detail below.

Just when an article goes stale depends on context; for example, how the story develops after the article is written, and how widely the event has been covered by the mainstream. With the exceptions noted, it's very rare for an article to be published more than seven calendar days (in, the time Wikinews keeps) after what the article is reporting.

New information
If the event was in the last ten days but new information came to light in the last five to seven days then the article is still acceptable. In most cases however the new information will be suitable to refocus on, with a headline and lede identifying the new information as the event is being reported on. Note that when modifying an inverted pyramid to insert later events, the new material will generally be at or near the top of the article, not at the bottom as might occur in a chronological treatment.

This is not a dependency on the date of source publication; although information in a source article cannot have come to light after the date the source was published, it may have come to light before the source was published and thus the five to seven days would be from the earlier date. Similarly the date when information came to light doesn't matter unless our article includes that information.

In the vast majority of cases it will still be appropriate to treat such an article as stale, and refocus on an entirely new event (per WN:GATWICK). In rare cases, however, new information come to light will make it appropriate to publish an article with a slightly older focal event.

Examples;

 * Police warn new drone owners to obey law after disruption at UK's Gatwick Airport, in which a stale article was refocused based on new developments. This technique has come to be described as 'Gatwicking' an article.
 * Magnitogorsk apartment building collapses after explosion, dozens dead, an article published nearly four hours later than a piece normally would, on the basis of new information.

Original reporting
Original material can also enhance freshness. Exclusive content has the potential to extend our freshness horizon by days or even weeks, depending on the nature of the original material. Note however this is an advanced technique and it is strongly recommended editors get to grips with writing before graduating to original reporting. Here are examples:

 * 'Fascinating' and 'provocative' research examines genetic elements of bipolar, schizophrenia
 * Iconic London mural could be restored
 * ACLU, EFF challenging US 'secret' court orders seeking Twitter data
 * Out of space in outer space: Special report on NASA's 'space junk' plans

Becoming the news
Sometimes, original material will be an event in its own right. This might be in the form of an exclusive interview with somebody important, or it may mean the release of documents exclusively to Wikinews. Though even this will eventually go stale, there is great leeway in timeframes for releasing such material.

Here are some examples:
 * Wikinews interviews Dr. Michael Mazilu on creating world's fastest spinning manmade object
 * Scottish Justice Secretary 'acutely aware of unusual publicity' in Kular case
 * Wikinews investigates Wikipedia usage by U.S. Senate staff members
 * Wikinews obtains new details on UK prisoner's murder

Breaking news
If there's a major new development in the story after the article is written, the article might go stale much faster than five to seven days. In intense situations, an article can be stale already a few hours after the event. The deciding factor is, would it feel 'behind the times' to publish an article about the event without mentioning the new development.

This can make it challenging to cover a rapidly developing story on Wikinews, but there are several things you can do to increase your chances of things working out.
 * Use the special breaking review tag that warns reviewers time is unusually critical for this article because it might go stale much faster than most articles do. (Don't abuse this tag: it isn't for articles that are on the verge of going stale at the normal pace.)
 * Have someone on-hand who's willing and able to review the article immediately. This can work if you know about the need ahead of time, or if you can find someone (perhaps on IRC) in the event.
 * Communicate with the reviewer by some more direct channel than wiki collaboration pages; typically, we've used IRC for this. Direct communication can shave hours off the review process, because if the reviewer has a problem they can talk to you in real time and avoid a clumsy, time-consuming cycle of not-ready/revise/resubmit.
 * If you foresee a possible problem, try to phrase the article 'robustly', so it's more likely to remain true, and hopefully remain news, even if other things happen before it's published. This can be tricky, and won't always work, but statistically you can improve your chances this way.  Emphasize discrete things that happened, that may be of interest even if something else happens later.  When feasible, try to avoid open-ended statements about the continuing state of things, that are at a high risk of ceasing to be true at any moment and thereby spoiling the article.

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To Be Remembered
This story is a hair raising thriller. The DC-10's crew and on board instructor accomplished a seeming miracle. The peripheal stories surrounding this incident are mind boggling.


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Former U.S. Presidential candidate Gene Amondson dies following a stroke

July 22, 2009

Preacher, painter and prohibition activist Gene Amondson, best known for his runs as the U.S. presidential nominee for one faction of the Prohibition Party in 2004 and as the party's de facto nominee in 2008, died yesterday surrounded by his four children after falling into a coma following a stroke. He was 65 years old.

Amondson was part of the Prohibition Party split in 2004 that led to two tickets. Although he received few votes, Amondson finished in third place in four Louisiana parishes, the best showing by a Prohibition Party candidate since 1960. The leader of the counter ticket, Earl Dodge, died in 2007 while campaigning for the party's 2008 nomination, leaving no opposition to Amondson as the party's leader.

He was strongly opposed to the sale of alcohol. As an activist, he filmed documentaries and held demonstrations supporting his cause.

Amondson made many appearances on television, including two visits to the Oprah Winfrey Show as a painter and was interviewed by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show during his 2004 run.

He was also interviewed by Wikinews in June 2008, during his second presidential campaign.

Funeral services will be held on Saturday, July 25 at Amondson's home town of Vashon Island, Washington.


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Wikinews:Briefs/July 21, 2009

July 21, 2009

About
The Audio Wikinews - News Brief is a two to five minute audio newscast summary of each day's top stories on Wikinews.

Also available as a RSS feed to subscribe to. News brief RSS

Intro
From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Tuesday, July 21, 2009. I'm James Pain, and here are today's current stories.

Black spot on Jupiter is impact site, says NASA
A black spot about the size of the Earth that appeared on the upper cloud surface of the planet Jupiter on July 19 has been confirmed to be the result of a massive object, probably a comet or asteroid, crashing into the planet, according to the results of infrared observations of the planet taken at NASA's Mauna Kea Observatory. The spot, located near Jupiter's south pole, was first reported by Anthony Wesley, an amateur astronomer from Murrumbateman, New South Wales, Australia who was observing the planet late on the 19th. Wesley called in a tip to NASA whose Jet Propulsion Laboratory began their own observations at the Infrared Telescope Facility. A team under Glenn Orton then confirmed Wesley's original theory. Wesley's tip was instrumental in securing the best possible observations. "We were extremely lucky to be seeing Jupiter at exactly the right time, the right hour, the right side of Jupiter to witness the event. We couldn't have planned it better", said Orton in a NASA press release. The object responsible for Jupiter's new black spot was not detected prior to its impact.

Workers at England wind turbine plant stage occupation
About 30 workers at the Vestas wind turbine plant in Newport, Isle of Wight, England have occupied their factory in protest against the upcoming closure of the plant. The factory, the main site for the manufacture of turbines for wind power in the United Kingdom, is scheduled to close at the end of July, bringing with it the loss of 625 jobs. The workers, most of whom are not affiliated with any union, began their occupation around 7pm. Speaking via mobile phone from the factory, "Mark", a worker in Vestas's finishing shop who prefers not to give any last name for fear of management reprisals, called the atmosphere "really good." "It's all right, we're getting a lot of support", he said. Mark told Wikinews that the workers at Vestas have received messages of support from members of the SWP, the TUC, and Unite. Members of the Socialist Party are also taking part in the industrial action and the party has announced its support for the occupation. Mark closed by thanking the public for its support, saying "we've got to keep on doing this sort of work — it's for all our futures"

20 years on: Sioux City, Iowa remembers crash landing that killed 111
Twenty years ago, on July 19, 1989, United Airlines Flight 232 crash landed in Sioux City, Iowa, U.S.. 111 of those on board were killed - but the actions of the crew helped save the other 185 flying on the DC-10. The airliner was a trijet, with one engine mounted in the tail. This engine had a cracked fan disc which went undetected by the airline despite inspections, and on that flight the component failed completely, shattering and sending debris flying. This debris damaged all three hydraulic systems that controlled the aircraft, leaving the jet without any conventional means of control. A ceremony was held in Sioux City to mark the anniversary. The National Transportation Safety Board's investigation resulted in new procedures for the way airlines inspect their aircraft in the U.S.

Outro
This has been a News Brief from Wikinews.org, the free news source, and has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license. Until next time, thank you for listening and good day.

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Talk:Former U.S. Presidential candidate Gene Amondson dies following a stroke

put the person's name in the title!!!!!
The title scrolls by in a list of other stories. A former candidate died? Who?! Make the info as visible as possible--put it in the title. 70.90.174.101 (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


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Orango speak!

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Comments:Former U.S. Presidential candidate Gene Amondson dies following a stroke

My question is promptly this: How could an artist be a Prohibitionist?

First impression
Upon seeing the title, my first thought was McCain. Tell me I'm not alone in this? -- Poe Joe (talk) 06:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... the only really positive thing I see he did was be interviewed by Wikinews... I'm not much for alcohol personally, but that's just me. Prohibition would be awful.--Taboo Tongue (talk) 06:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews
Is this the first time someone interviewed by wikinews has died? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.99.247 (talk) 17:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it very well might be. Interesting question. --SVTCobra 22:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


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No, I'm not an admin on Wikipedia. Gopher65talk 03:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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Foxconn employee commits suicide over missing iPhone in China

July 22, 2009 Sun Danyong, a 25-year-old employee of Foxconn, jumped from the 12th floor of a residential building in Shenzhen, China and died on the spot after he lost a new sample of an iPhone mobile phone and was suspected of stealing it. Sun worked with Foxconn, which is one of the factories licensed to produce the iPhone in Guanlan, Bao'an District, Shenzhen, since he graduated from the renowned Harbin Institute of Technology last year.

Sun got the iPhones and stored them on July 9. The next day, he found one of the phones missing when he handed over the products to the receivers from Apple. So Sun reported the incident to the supervisor on July 13 after he couldn't find it. Foxconn's environment and safety department made an internal investigation into the case two days later. Before Sun committed suicide, he chatted with his former university classmates and said he suffered from an unlawful search, detention and beatings when he was investigated.

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Welcome
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User:Sbracq

Hello je me présenterai bien sur ma page utilisateur mais j'ignore si je peux parler de mon trravail. C'est GNU pourtant mais je crée un sie gnu. Si je le met pas dans les articles même par humour admettons que je ne le fasse pas cette fois ci :-) Je vous jure que c'est encore un projet wikimedia selon moi ça laisse une chance malgrès les erases.

C'eset un projet de rédaction commun d'un système de non exploiation mais opérand avec intelligence artificielle pour computers. Voilà. Bah l'adi ???? bah oui n'effacez pas ça permet aussi de venir me dire bonjour s'il vous plaît. Je ne prend pas au sérieux je fais ça pour m'occupper :-) Si vous êtes sages faîtes une recherche sur wikilogos dans google et vous trouverez mon site :-)

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"for missing iPhone"? That just doesn't read right. Shouldn't it be "over missing iPhone"? --Brian McNeil / talk 13:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * I am a bit bothered by the single source aspect of this if the Chinese language source can't be verified at all. --SVTCobra 00:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

 * There are two options here: We can trust a machine translation of the Chinese or I can stick a third source on. Which would you prefer? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 00:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

 * List a link of the Google translate of the NetEase source, I guess. Cheers. Gotta go. --SVTCobra 01:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅. Nite. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 01:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


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Stop creating nonsense nonentity biographies. If you persist in doing so you will be blocked. Wikinews is focussed on news and current affairs. It is not some random site to fill with junk that is solely relevant to yourself. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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Me, me, me...

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If you need to contact me, please email me or leave a message on my MediaWiki.org (or, if you prefer, English Wikipedia) talk page. Thanks!

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Comments:Fortieth anniversary of first manned Moon landing

Its a bummer that JFK was not alive to see this.

globla warming
hi ...... what do you say about the global warming do u have a answer of this problem of the world. were they can this problem?

Comments from feedback form - "Genial! 20 years..."
Genial! 20 years... —92.37.10.247 (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "I wish I could have been ther..."
I wish I could have been there to experience the whole thing. Thank you for giving me a little bit to experience.

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Fatman. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Fatman~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ukrainian former official admits to murdering journalist

July 22, 2009

A former official from the of Ukraine has confessed to involvement in the abduction and murder of journalist  in 2000. Olexiy Pukach has also implicated other officials in the crime.

Gongadze criticised the government of then-President. On September 16, 2000, he was abducted and his decapitated remains were found two weeks later near. Kuchma's opponents described the slaying as political, and there was widespread controversy on national and international levels.

Olexiy Pukach, who was apprehended on Tuesday, told officials his involvement with the case was "direct" and has gone on to give a full confession. Prosecutors believe he strangled Gongadze himself after three officials from the police—convicted of murder last year—brought Gongadze to Pukach.

According to Vassyl Grytsak of the, Pukach has also offered to take authorities to the location of the journalists head, which was never recovered.

He also said to arresting officers that "I have been waiting for you since the beginning." Kuchma himself is alleged to be directly involved, as a series of tapes totaling over 700 hours have been leaked after they were allegedly made in secret by one of his bodyguards; the evidence has been ruled inadmissible by a parliamentary commission that failed to prove or disprove their authenticity. Kuchma denies any involvement.


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You seem to know your way round wikis well enough without the boilerplate welcome, but it's still nice to get one ;) Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Hey, thanks! :-) A welcome is always welcomed. Skalman (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, what do you think of the magic review button (the one you accidently pressed). Bawolff ☺☻ 22:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

 * It freaked me out! But I'm okay now, I think. If you want a full review of the magic review button, tell me. ;-) Skalman (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Briefs/July 22, 2009

July 22, 2009

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Wednesday, July 22, 2009. I'm James Pain, and here are today's current stories.

Ukranian former official admits to murdering journalist
A former official from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has confessed to involvement in the abduction and murder of journalist Georgiy R. Gongadze in 2000. Olexiy Pukach has also implicated other officials in the crime. Gongadze criticised the government of then-President Leonid Kuchma. On September 16, 2000, he was abducted and his decapitated remains were found two weeks later near Kiev. Kuchma's opponents described the slaying as political, and there was widespread controversy on national and international levels. Kuchma himself is alleged to be directly involved, as a series of tapes totaling over 700 hours have been leaked after they were allegedly made in secret by one of his bodyguards; the evidence has been ruled inadmissible by a parliamentary commission that failed to prove or disprove their authenticity. Kuchma denies any involvement.

Former U.S. Presidential candidate Gene Amondson dies following a stroke
Preacher, painter and prohibition activist Gene Amondson, best known for his runs as the U.S. presidential nominee for one faction of the Prohibition Party in 2004 and as the party's de facto nominee in 2008, died yesterday surrounded by his four children after falling into a coma following a stroke. He was 65 years old. He was strongly opposed to the sale of alcohol. As an activist, he filmed documentaries and held demonstrations supporting his cause. Amondson made many appearances on television, including two visits to the Oprah Winfrey Show as a painter and was interviewed by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show during his 2008 run. He was also interviewed by Wikinews in June 2008, during his presidential campaign. Funeral services will be held on Saturday, July 25 at Amondson's home town of Vashon Island, Washington.

Foxconn employee commits suicide over missing iPhone in China
Sun Danyong, a 25-year-old employee of Foxconn, jumped from the 12th floor of a residential building in Shenzhen, China and died on the spot after he lost a new sample of an iPhone mobile phone and was suspected of stealing it. Sun worked with Foxconn, which is one of the factories licensed to produce the iPhone in Guanlan, Shenzhen, since he graduated from the renowned Harbin Institute of Technology last year. Before Sun committed suicide, he chatted with his former university classmates and said he suffered from an unlawful search, detention and beatings when he was investigated. At present, the department head who had allegedly mistreated Sun has been suspended from his job and is being investigated by the police.

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Comments:Foxconn employee commits suicide over missing iPhone in China

R.I.P. Mitchell Hend - I mean Sun Danyong. —70.48.154.116 (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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How sad that somebody can lose their life over a phone.   Tris   23:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

what
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Foxconn treats its mainland China employees as if they are slaves with no rights at all. Unfortunately, nobody cares, since everything good for China's economy growth is fine and tolerable. And the bribes, plus the shameless lawyers, can make any law in China worthless papers. The independent medias can be easily manipulated by money too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.205.148.5 (talk) 02:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


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British schoolboy found guilty of racial harassment of schoolgirl

July 23, 2009

A 15-year-old schoolboy was found guilty in Lincoln Youth Court in England yesterday of racial harrassment of a 14-year-old schoolgirl. The case is regarded as a landmark case, the first such case of its kind.

Raymond Wildsmith, prosecuting, described the events. The boy had for a period of several months taunted the girl with racial epithets including "wog, coon, nigger, gorilla, and golliwog". He had told her to "Go back to your own country. You don’t belong here.", and chanted "White, white, white is right, kick them out, fight, fight, fight."

Unidentified sources told the Daily Mail that the boy had supported the British National Party, and had attempted to enlist other youths as supporters as well.

The girl, who was of mixed English and African heritage, had already changed schools once to avoid racial abuse. She initially did not report the abuse at the new school, for fear that the boy would turn violent. The girl's parents first learned of it when she attempted to commit suicide, in January, by taking a combination of stress pills and painkillers. Her suicide note requested that people not wear black at her funeral. She ended up in hospital, and then "sectioned" (involuntarily committed under the provisions of § 4 the Mental Health Act) to a psychiatric institution for several weeks. She will now change schools again.

The boy was found guilty after a six-hour trial. He is scheduled for sentencing on August the 13th. Another 15-year-old boy charged with the same offence was found not guilty.

Under § 45 and Schedule 2 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 and § 49 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933, it is illegal in England and Wales for news reports to identify either of the children involved in the case.


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Comments:French workers use threats in compensation demand

These workers have no respect for the property or rights of others
The corporation had discretionary authority to discharge workers that were no longer in its interest to employ. For all the supposed moral infractions of the company, I can not find any real ones even alleged in this interview. The workers, however, are fond of using extortionate threats of damage to other people's property, which are frankly immoral. Morality and law, unlike politics, are not responsive to how many labels like "fat cat" you can attach to something, but to actual conduct. In this case, vilifying the faceless corporation for (surprise) seeking its own economic interest doesn't grant anybody the right to interrupt its property or other reserved rights.

The "reasons" given for the tension are all nonsense. If the workers did not want to employ their labor in the creation of wealth belonging to some other entity, they did not have to accept that entities' wages or its offer of employment in the first place. They apparently want to have their cake and eat it too by being paid for their labor and still owning its fruits. 209.30.170.213 (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * All the major European manufacturers, and some of the more enlightened ones in the UK have bent over backwards to keep their skilled workers, sharing pay cuts and unpaid sabbaticals equally. Part of the dispute is that the management did not share equally in the pain. There is a thing called enlightened self interest and the corporation has not shown it, this current credit crisis will end, and the economy and the building industry will pick up. There will again be a market for its products, for machinery of all kinds, and when this happens there will be a premium for skilled manual workers. Kowing how it has treated its workers in the past if you were a worker with a choice of jobs to choose from would you opt to work for JLG? Of course you could argue that you'll have your pick of workers if the wages are right, but how much more over the market rate will you have to go? People are not just another piece of machinery to be switched on and off, as has been shown in work places through out Europe they will take pay cuts and reduced working out of loyalty and camaraderie to each other and the company. But to work loyalty has to run both ways.KTo288 (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


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Taco Bell mascot Gidget dies from stroke at 15

July 23, 2009 Gidget, the chihuahua featured in the Taco Bell adverts in the United States has died from a stroke. The dog died at the age of 15 on Tuesday night. Sue Chipperton, the owner and trainer of Gidget commented saying, "She made so many people happy." She passed at Chipperton's home in Santa Clarita, California.

The dog was featured in the 1990s adverts that ran from 1997 to 2000. Gidget was portrayed as a male dog and is remembered for the dubbed saying "Yo quiero Taco Bell" which is Spanish for "I want Taco Bell." The advert was meant to be shown only once but was turned into a campaign.

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Obits are for people not animals. Sorry PETA. --SVTCobra 01:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * I guess I can only refer to Obituary and Obituary and stress that every definition refers to a "person". --SVTCobra 22:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Trying to define a 'person' as human is brave in the modern climate. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Add Portal:Health category. Rayboy8 (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * uh, no. It would correctly be Category:Health and I really fail to see any reasonable justification for putting an article about the death of a dog in said category. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


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65-year-old woman arrested over the death of two Mexican wrestlers

July 23, 2009 A 65-year-old woman has been arrested in connection with the deaths of two Mexican midget wrestlers. Brothers Alejandro and Alberto Perez Jimenez were found dead in their hotel room in Mexico City, Mexico. The brothers' drinks had been spiked with a fatal dose of eye drops and the pair were robbed.

The mini wrestlers entered their hotel room with two women. Later, surveillance cameras recorded the two women leaving the hotel alone. The police traced and arrested one of the female suspects by way of a stolen cell phone that belonged to the wrestlers. Police are still searching for the second woman.

Alejandro and Alberto wrestled on the Lucha Mini Wrestling circuit. The pair fought under the names Espectrito Jr and La Parkita, known as "The Little Ghost" and "Little Death".

The female suspect admits meeting the wrestlers but denies poisoning them.

Prosecutors say that there are female gangs in Mexico City who drug and rob men.


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Anyone who has read the sequel to 2001 A Space Odyssey should be frightened :U

2 suns in the sky
In 2010: Odyssey 2 Jupiter blew up becus of a black hole. so in 2010 jupiter will be gone!

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Stroke? Meh, I suspect food poisoning. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the recession kicking in, they need all the meet they can get their hands on. --James Pain (talk) 12:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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Ivory Coast fined US$47,000 by FIFA over March stampede

July 23, 2009 FIFA, the Fédération Internationale de Football Association or International Federation of Association Football, has fined the $47,000 over the stadium disaster on March 29. Between 20 and 22 football fans died and over 130 were injured as 36,000 fans packed into the to see the Ivory Coast face Malawi in a qualifying match for the. The stadium's capacity is 34,600 fans. The stampede took place after a wall collapsed as thousands of fans massed outside the stadium, trying to get in. The game was played despite the accident, and the Ivory Coast won 5&ndasp0.

FIFA imposed a sanction of 50,000, approximately 46,800. They also set a 20,000 attendance limit on the next qualifier, against Burkina Faso. In addition, they have called for a mandatory traffic control cordon. FIFA has donated US$96,000 to a fund which supports the families of those who lost their lives in the disaster.

"In the event of any similar incidents, FIFA would have no choice but to impose more severe sanctions on the Ivorian Football Association," read a statement released by FIFA.

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Canberra's Sophie Lavers crowned Miss World Australia

July 23, 2009 Sophie Lavers, a 24-year-old woman from Canberra, has been crowned Miss World Australia in Sydney. She defeated nineteen other finalists to take the prize and will represent Australia at the Miss World event in South Africa.

The entrants were judged based on several categories including best talent, healthy body image, sports and fitness and beauty with a purpose. An aspiring actress, she is completing an acting course and hopes to build a career in film and television. She is also a qualified fitness instructor and has worked as a Kings Cross waitress.

She has been described in the media as having an "amazing figure" and it has been rumoured that she has used this for modelling work. However, Lavers has said that her body has only been modelled for a good cause: "Some do think that, but I have only ever modelled for charity."

She also doubts much will change for her, at least in the near future. "I'll still get up and probably have peanut butter on toast for breakfast but after that I'm not sure what's happening. I guess I won't be going to work tomorrow."

She explained that all the girls who entered were dedicated to making a difference. "I just think it's like having little angels out there through the country helping in all different areas whether it's with children, or blind people, or the homeless." Lavers also complained that non-stop smiling for the event has left here mouth sore. "I'm not used to smiling for hours on end."

Lavers is now set to head to Johannesburg for the December 12 global competition. "I've got to get a month of outfits ready and get a talent and another speech and everything. Oh goodness."


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Vestas occupation continues; left-wing political parties voice support

July 23, 2009

Morale is "fine" inside the Vestas plant in Newport, Isle of Wight, England, as an industrial occupation of the wind turbine factory finished entered its fourth night, says one of the occupiers.

"Mark," who prefers not to give his last name for fear of management reprisals, spoke to Wikinews and gave an update on the situation inside the plant, where 30 of the 525 workers whose jobs are slated to be lost at the end of July occupied management offices on Monday evening and issued a call for the British government to nationalise the plant.

A double fence now rings the plant, surrounded by police in riot gear. Five people have been arrested for attempting to enter the plant grounds. According to Mark, while police are now letting food onto the plant grounds, Vestas' private security have been halting it at the gate; food for the occupiers is now being provided by Vestas management after the occupiers accused Vestas in the press of violating the Human Rights Act; commenting on the quality of the food, Mark said "it's not been that good". According to the BBC, the content has been mostly sausage rolls, pasties and crisps. The occupiers were informed yesterday that if they did not leave the plant by 10:30 p.m. on July 22, they would be fired. They have since been served with papers charging them with aggravated trespass and are seeking legal representation; the court papers give them until July 29 to vacate, but according to Mark, the occupiers have no plans to leave: "we're going to be in here for a while".

Vestas has given no comment to the press about the occupation.

Political parties in Britain have begun responding to the Vestas situation, with the Green Party adding its support to the occupation following the early declarations of support, previously reported here, by the Socialist Party and Socialist Workers Party. Green Party Leader Dr Caroline Lucas MEP gave her "full support", and said in an online statement, "We should be seizing the opportunity to create a renewable energy revolution through a favourable policy environment and massive investment in the new technologies that can see us through a transition towards a more environmentally and economically stable economy. The Government can make a genuine start along this road by pledging financial aid to help keep the Isle of Wight's Vestas plant open for business". The Greens held a demonstration in London supporting the Vestas workers on July 22. Environmentalist protesters have established a climate camp with dozens of people outside the perimeter of the fence and a mass demonstration is planned for Friday evening in Newport's St Thomas's Square.

In parliament, meanwhile, five MPs of the ruling Labour Party have signed a motion protesting the Vestas plant's closure and Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg stated, "This closure exposes the hollow truth of Labour's climate change strategy". Labour Party left-wing veteran Tony Benn is expected to appear with RMT general secretary Bob Crow and address a rally at the factory Thursday night. Opposition leader David Cameron of the Conservative Party has not yet commented on the Vestas situation, but Conservative MP Andrew Turner, who represents the Isle of Wight, held a confidential meeting with Vestas management, after which he said that nationalisation was "not on the table". Earlier in parliament, Turner said that he found Vestas's lack of negotiations with its employees "totally unacceptable".

Late on Thursday, Ed Miliband, the Energy and Climate Change Minister, published an editorial in The Guardian, writing: [W]e have to win a political argument that environmentally and industrially, onshore wind is part of the solution. In the meantime, there must be a strategy for the Isle of Wight to do all we can to help and there is. Not just support for the workers who are losing their jobs, but a strategy to work with Vestas. Milliband went on to promise £120 million in government investment in offshore wind power production and £60 million in marine manufacturing.

Vestas attributes its pullout from the UK to difficulty in obtaining planning permission for wind farms. The Independent quotes a senior company executive as saying, "We needed a stable long-term market and that was not there in the UK. We have made clear to the Government that we need a market. We do not need money." Vestas's income is up 59% in the last quarter, although its stock has dropped 4.4% on the Copenhagen Stock Exchange since the occupation began.

Meanwhile in the United States, Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick cut the ribbon at the opening of a 300-turbine, 800-megawatt capacity wind farm built by Vestas in Holden, Massachusetts. Vestas is a finalist in a multi-million dollar government contract to build a new offshore wind farm to be constructed in Nantucket Sound by 2012.


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Notes from phone conversation with "Mark" from inside Vestas
 * Phoned "Mark" at Vestas
 * any food in?
 * police let in food, but security stoppin it. "police have no problem with food coming in" management agreed to supply "but it's not been that good"
 * Andrew Turner appeared, had mtg with management didn't see Tony Benn (yet)
 * Morale is "fine" told they would be "charged w/ industrial action, not aggravated trespass, but we've just been served with papers for trespass"
 * 29 July -- need representation by then. "we're going to be in here for a while" --Killing Vector (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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Please add to Category:Renewable energy. Thanks. —Elekhh (talk) 23:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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Wikinews:Briefs/July 23, 2009

Oh hi mark

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Thursday, July 23, 2009. I'm Matt Davis, and here are today's current stories.

British schoolboy found guilty of racial harrassment of schoolgirl
A 15-year-old schoolboy was found guilty in Lincoln magistrates' court in England yesterday of racial harrassment of a 14-year-old schoolgirl. The case is regarded as a landmark case, the first such case of its kind. The girl, who was of mixed English and African heritage, had already changed schools once to avoid racial abuse. She initially did not report the abuse at the new school, for fear that the boy would turn violent. The girl's parents first learned of it was when she attempted to commit suicide, in January, by taking a combination of stress pills and painkillers. The boy was found guilty after a six-hour trial. He is scheduled for sentencing on August the 13th. Another 15-year-old boy charged with the same offence was found not guilty.

65-year-old woman arrested over the death of two Mexican wrestlers
A 65-year-old woman has been arrested in connection with the deaths of two Mexican midget wrestlers. Brothers Alejandro and Alberto Perez Jimenez were found dead in their hotel room in Mexico City, Mexico. The brothers' drinks had been spiked with a fatal dose of eye drops and the pair were robbed. The mini wrestlers entered their hotel room with two women. Later, surveillance cameras recorded the two women leaving the hotel alone. The police traced and arrested one of the female suspects by way of a stolen cell phone that belonged to the wrestlers. Police are still searching for the second woman. The female suspect admits meeting the wrestlers but denies poisoning them. Prosecutors say that there are female gangs in Mexico City who drug and rob men.

Canberra's Sophie Lavers crowned Miss World Australia
Sophie Lavers, a 24-year-old from Canberra, has been crowned Miss World Australia in Sydney. She defeated nineteen other finalists to take the prize and will represent Australia at the Miss World event in South Africa. The entrants were judged based on several categories including best talent, healthy body image, sports and fitness and beauty with a purpose. She has been described in the media as having an "amazing figure" and it has been rumoured that she has used this for modelling work. However, Lavers has said that her body has only been modelled for a good cause: "Some do think that, but I have only ever modelled for charity." Lavers is now set to head to Johannesburg for the December 12 global competition. "I've got to get a month of outfits ready and get a talent and another speech and everything. Oh goodness."

Taco Bell mascot Gidget dies from stroke at 15
Gidget, the chihuahua featured in the Taco Bell adverts in the United States has died from a stroke. The dog died at the age of 15 on Tuesday night. The dog was featured in the 1990's adverts that ran from 1997 to 2000. Gidget was portrayed as a male dog and is remembered for the dubbed saying "Yo quiero Taco Bell" which is Spanish for "I want Taco Bell." The advert was meant to be shown only once but was turned into a campaign. Gidget was also featured in Legally Blonde 2 and adverts for the board game Trivial Pursuit.

Ivory Coast fined US$47,000 by FIFA over March stampede
FIFA, the Fédération Internationale de Football Association has fined the Ivorian Football Federation $47,000 over the stadium disaster on March 29. Between 20 to 22 football fans died and over 130 injured as 36,000 fans packed into the Félix Houphouët-Boigny Stadium to see the Ivory Coast face Malawi in a FIFA World Cup qualifying match. The stadium holds a capacity of 34,600. The stampede took place after thousands of fans massed outside the stadium trying to get in and a wall collapsed. The game was played despite the accident and the Ivory Coast won 5-0. The Ivory Coast's government has opened up their own investigation into the disaster.

Rugby Union: Queensland's Ballymore Cup quarter finals
The Ballymore Cup Quarter Finals were played Wednesday. The Ballymore Cup is a state wide Rugby Union competition in the Australian state of Queensland.

Scores are as follows.

Siena Catholic College 	11, Marsden State High School 5

Corinda State High School 0, All Saints Anglican School 44

North Side Christian College 0, John Paul College 47

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Workers at England wind turbine plant stage occupation
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Comments:British schoolboy found guilty of racial harassment of schoolgirl

So much for freedom of speech (Not racist). But i wonder what the punishment would be? --66.229.17.49 (talk) 05:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Since when was harassment protected by freedom of speech? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.237.66 (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

KILL WHITEY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.121.28 (talk) 06:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

white guilt.

uk sucks they even banned weapons.

The hell?
The BNP is a terrorist organization. This is terrible. Also, where were the parents in all this? Terrible. -- Poe Joe (talk) 18:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The BNP is not a terrorist organisation. They're racist scumbags in nice business suits who've found loopholes that allow them to legally have a political party that discriminates. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Poe Joe: The parents were quite probably the ones who taught the 15 year old his moronic beliefs in the first place. Children don't typically have the mental capacity to start forming their own belief system until they're in their late teens. (There are exceptions (some earlier, many later (or not at all, in the case of the mentally impaired)), but that's a good rule of thumb.) Gopher65talk 02:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Briton must be killed by God.
It's a shame on the white.....lol...It's funny that they have human rights —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.90.161.113 (talk) 08:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:65-year-old woman arrested over the death of two Mexican wrestlers

Unusual title
Shouldn't it be "murder of two Mexican wrestlers" or at least "killing of two Mexican wrestlers?" The current language is so passive and generic that one would think the cause inconclusive. From the story itself it is evident that this was murder. Why do we judiciously refrain from using any language that might be conceived of as harsh or possibly condemnatory of intensionally causing the death of these individuals? Is it because the deceased were midgets? Is it because the suspected perpetrator is elderly or female? These possible explanations are possibly too conspiratorial to be believed, but the title is such that it raises the question. 209.30.170.213 (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * My decision to leave the title as-is when reviewed was based on the fact that prosecutors don't believe they were trying to kill them. Under most jurisdictions, what was done to them would still warrant a murder charge but it's going to be borderline what to go for even from the prosecution's point of view; hence, death. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * It would still be killing, even if it weren't murder. You seem to think this is a case for the felony murder rule, but it doesn't require that principle, which is not entirely universal. This is more so a manifestation of the criminal law version of the "eggshell skull rule." This is not a borderline case. It would be considered murder in practically every jurisdiction. It's like a robber shooting someone in the thigh and that person dying of a complication from the gunshot injury. Borderline cases typically involve some unforeseen consequence of the criminal conduct causing someone to be killed, not the damage to the victim merely being greater than the perpetrator might have anticipated. 209.30.170.213 (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * "You seem to think this is a case for the felony murder rule" Eh... Felony? You have them in America, right? What's wrong with 'death'? Killing would have been just as acceptable - no-one disputes they were killed, and by a third party at that - but I remain unconvinced it would be any better. It's just a headline, not a full story.  Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * That was exactly my point: that the felony murder rule, a principle of U.S. law, is not necessary to conclude this is murder. That conclusion can be reached by application of more generic legal principles. Perhaps you didn't actually read what I wrote but just jumped to a conclusion. 209.30.170.213 (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * "That was exactly my point". I doubt my point was yours; read it again. "Perhaps you didn't actually read what I wrote but just jumped to a conclusion." Ah, the irony. My point was that I don't give a stuff how the states runs it. If we had a contributor who I trusted to get things right in Mexico, I might have asked him/her. We don't, so I didn't. If I had an hour or three to spare on such a trivial issue I might have found and read the relevant legialation; again, I can think of better uses Wikinews might have for such a length of time. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * My point is that I'm not talking about how the states runs it. How has this managed to elude you? There you go treating an open project as a private clique with tiers of editors some of whom are more worthy of your "trust" than others. I've seen you espouse the same attitude on English Wikipedia, and it's quite nauseating. I don't think your time is really all that important. The "my-time-is-oh-so-important" defense is favored heavily by narcissists such as yourself. 209.30.177.37 (talk) 22:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * You also seem to be treating this as some kind of policy debate, whereas it's actually my opinion on the appropriateness of the title, which I duly categorized under the "opinions" page. Your evidentiary standards arguments are quite misplaced. I'm not interested in how you and the other editors came up with a bad title, I'm just voicing my opinion that it's a bad one. 209.30.177.37 (talk) 22:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * If you weren't taling about the states then why bring up felony murders? They are only relevant in countries that have them; if Mexico has them I will humbly apoligise but the only country I can think of with felonies is the US. I hardly brought up a "private clique with tiers of editors"; I did indicate that we have no-one who claims to have any knowledge of Mexican law (unless they have been inactive for a year or two, but I don't recall anyone). I am not trying to bring up policy - because we were in the pinions page I carefuly avoided trying to cite any to back up my opinions - I am giving my opinion why I feel the policy is reasonable, and linking that back to my thoughts at the time. I  DID NOT  claim that my time is important, nor do I take the view that it is important. It isn't IMO. I did take the view that writing several stories - as I can do in 2-3 hours - would be a better - merely better, note, not amazingly wonderfuly beneficial to the whole of hmankind - than trying to become confident ebough with the law of Mexico to to say "murder". I will join you in being horrified if a murder charge is not brought, but that is as far as I can go. What started here as a reasonable discussion between two people of different views (the question of if we know enough to call it a murder) has degenerated into this, which is quite sad really. Bleh, I could probably have written that in a way that didn't have quite as many emphasised words and dashes, but oh well, I daresay it's understandandable, which will do on this page. To come back to "trust", we are a small enough project that we can employ a touch of that and it is not as closed as you seem to believe. Contribute here and it is quickly extended to anyone with the only requirement that people keep on trying to be helpful. Editor staus is open to anyone who can show they know their way around, and that trusts yu with the entire project's reputation since it would allow you to stick any old crap onto Google News. Why not try writing? This place provides a pretty good escape from the en.wp issues you accuse me of having. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


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Welcome
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Welcome
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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Soulmerge. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Soulmerge~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Armenia to send military forces to Afghanistan

July 24, 2009

Armenia's defense minister Seyran Ohanian has announced that nation will contribute troops to the ISAF forces in Afghanistan.

Colonel Seyran Shahsuvarian told Radio Free Europe (RFE/RL) that an Armenian military official is discussing the details of the deployment at a NATO planning conference in Germany. Armenia, as part of the USSR, has previously participated in the failed Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s, and veterans have expressed a willingness to return to the front according to the Associated Press (AP). As of yet, no details have been revealed to the public of how many servicemen will be sent and from which branch of service they will come. Unnamed officials said Armenia is likely to send munitions experts or communications officers.

Armenia has participated in other Western military operations, including those in Kosovo and Iraq. About 50 Armenian sappers, military doctors, and other non-combat personnel served in Iraq until last autumn, leaving when the Polish contingent to which they were attached was withdrawn.


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Tilting train derails in Croatia, six dead

July 25, 2009

A Croatian train en route from the capital, Zagreb, to the Dalmatian city of Split crashed, killing six and wounding 40, according to medical authorities. The incident occurred 12:08 pm (1008 GMT), when the two-carriage tilting train derailed near the town of Kaštela, outside Split. 91 passengers were reported to be aboard the train at the time of the disaster, including foreign tourists. Among the injured are: 18 Croatian, 6 French, 2 Australian, 3 Swedish and four others; a Belgian, British, Slovenian and Pakistani national.

The cause of the crash is still unknown, but passengers claim that the speed of the train was excessive. Other reports say railway workers put anti-weed ointment on the tracks before the accident, making them slippery.

Shortly after the crash, a railway works vehicle coming to the site of the accident, also reportedly in excessive speed, nearly hit emergency workers and reporters. No one was injured in the incident, but was filmed by a TV crew.

Croatian media say that this is the worst railway accident to have occurred in independent Croatia, adding that if the train derailed into a ravine, which is several meters ahead, the death toll could have been much higher.


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You can see the railway works vehicle incident here: --TheFEARgod (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I took this train last summer and it's "tilting" design unnerved me at the time. Very sad to hear this has happened, but it is an unusual railway line for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.33.31 (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

 * "...passengers claim that the speed of the train was too excessive." I've always maintainted that these train drivers should stick to a more acceptably excessive speed! Shane.Bell (talk) 09:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ah ah, youre right. I'm just not an english language expert :) --TheFEARgod (talk) 19:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Croat Rail disaster
Dear Wiki,

Is this the rail service which takes 5 hours from Belgrade to Split? Possibly the slowest rail link in the whole of western Europe!

Last year I was in Split, a fine city worth a trip anyday, but had to fly due to 3 days travel from London by rail - simply to long and too expensive. Now this rail disater. Perhaps they were trying to speed up the service a little to fast?

Croatia is waiting to join the EU but it will have to sort out its infrastructure. Hope this does not set back Croat development. Dalmatia is well worth visiting and I can recommend it + fabulous coast. Regards,

MARK DOUGLAS London N16 5SW
 * 5 hours from Belgrade to Split is nice given the distance (if you are correct)
 * this is Zagreb to Split (I don't remember the travel time)--TheFEARgod (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


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Please stop editing other people's comments. It is considered vandalism and you will be blocked if you continue. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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Oh good. There for a minute, I was worried that we might lose the war. 206.74.5.136 (talk) 04:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


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Rugby Union: Ballymore Cup North Queensland carnival

July 26, 2009

Rockhampton Grammar School, Townsville Grammar School and St. Augustine's College (Cairns) played the North Queensland Carnival as part of the Ballymore Cup quarter finals this past weekend. Rockhampton Grammar School won the final and will play Siena Catholic College in the semi final.

The Ballymore Cup is a state wide Rugby Union competition in the Australian state of Queensland. Schools participating in the Greater Public Schools (GPS) competition do not compete in the Ballymore Cup.

Mackay representative Whitsundays Anglican School did not participate as they could not field a suitable team.

Round Robin
The two grammar schools qualified for the Ballymore Cup North Queensland carnival final after both teams defeated St. Augustine's College from Cairns. Townsville Grammar were the better of the two defeating Rockhampton Grammar 22 points to zero, then St. Augustine's 15 points to 12. Rockhampton Grammar finished the round robin stage by defeating St. Augustine's 29 points to five.

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Rockhampton Grammar qualified for the Ballymore Cup semi final against Siena Catholic College after defeating Townsville Grammar 14 points to five.


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Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. Cheers, --Jcart1534 (talk) 11:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, please don't publish articles. Articles must go through a review process before being published. See Reviewing articles. Please feel free to help get articles up to the standard where they will pass a review. Thanks for your understanding, please don't hesitate to ask me if you have any questions Bawolff ☺☻ 01:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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Fernando Alonso takes pole at 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, Felipe Massa badly injured

July 25, 2009

Renault driver Fernando Alonso takes pole in a qualification session on Saturday for tomorrow's 2009 ING Magyar Nagydij at Hungaroring, Budapest, Hungary.

Two Red Bull cars also with Renault engines are right on the back of the Spaniard.

McLaren-Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen are split by Nico Rosberg's Williams 5th on the starting grid.

Kimi Raikkonen qualified 7th for Ferrari.

His teammate Felipe Massa was taken out of the track by a medical helicopter after a violent crash straight into the wall of tyres. A Ferrari spokesman says Brazilian driver "will remain in intensive care, although the team does not know how long he will stay under observation. He was conscious and in stable condition when he arrived at AEK hospital by helicopter with a concussion." Later Massa underwent a successful surgery on fractured skull. It was said Massa was knocked unconscious after debris striked his helmet.

On Sunday July 19, Formula Two driver Henry Surtees, 18 year old son of 1964 Formula One champion John Surtees, died in hospital after suffering severe head injuries. During the race at Brands Hatch Jack Clarke crashed his car into the wall and sent one of its wheels across the circuit. The wheel impacted precisely with the head of Surtees.

The F1 rookie driver Jaime Alguersuari, who was a team-mate of Surtees at the British F3 season finale at Donington Park last year, and now will drive a Toro Rosso in a race for the first time, wrote the words of tribute to his friend saying "Ciao Henry" on his helmet.

Championship leader Jenson Button will start from 8th place for Brawn; his worst qualifying of the 2009 season.


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The event occurred on July 24, not 25 --TheFEARgod (talk) 11:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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Iranian plane crashes on runway, 17 dead

July 26, 2009

An Iranian airliner overshot a runway in the Iranian city of Mashhad and crashed into a perimeter wall, smashing the front of the aircraft and leaving 17 dead and 19 injured. This accident occurred less than 10 days after an Iranian airliner en route to the Armenian capital of Yerevan crashed, killing 168 people.

The Aria Aviation Company's Russian-built Ilyushin II-62 airliner landed near the middle of the runway, according to deputy transport minister Ahmad Majidi, and crashed into the perimeter wall before striking power lines and coming to a stop in adjacent farmland. Thirteen of the dead were part of the crew, the rest were passengers. Of the crew members, 9 were citizens of Kazakhstan, and the rest were Iranian citizens. Officials say technical issues might have contributed to the crash.

Following the incident, Iranian state television announced that Aria Airline's flying license was being suspended pending further investigation. Air safety experts accuse Iran of having a poor safety record. International sanctions on Iran have prevented it from buying modern Boeing or Airbus planes and parts. As a result, Iran is forced to use older Russian aircraft which are more prone to accidents.


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This was a tragedy and that this man has been in allot of trouble.Now he is still a postman but he has a huge failure in his heart.It is not something that he should have carrying around.It is so sad for him but i should give him some advice. When you become a postman you have to learn how to jump a fence.No matter how of a good neighborhood your in you might be changed so figure out how to jump a fence. This has been the nicest thing to do but i have spoke my mind but im a better reporter so listen up. This is funny and he deserved it and he is horrible and if he would have tried to beat the dog he would have been in jail for that and this has been the juiciest story and i know that it would be published in a few day in the newspaper and every one will love it and they would want more of me the former reporter on Wikinews cast out. By: Tarayray2288

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User talk:Wikiwide

Welcome
Cirt (talk) 06:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Change to Red dust storm engulfs Sydney reverted
I have reverted your addition of a source to this article as it was not used in the development of the article. If you wish to add points from the source that are not available in the already listed sources, them please do so and re-add the source. Otherwise it is somewhat unhelpful to add unused sources as the reviewer must read all sources listed for an article. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Climate contrarians in Copenhagen
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The page User talk:Wikiwide/Skeptics has been deleted by because of copyright violation. Q/0/k 05:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

DDoS attack on Spamhaus jams Internet
I've left some remarks on the talk of this as my immediate reaction; I know it is still marked as developing, but it could do with a look at organising into a more-structured form. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Copyediting comment
I've just been copyediting NSW government starts trial of hunting in national parks. Just a hint about sentence complexity. When writing, try and ensure that you don't have too many clauses in a sentence or it becomes too hard to follow. Take this sentence:

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Wait, was O'Farrell supported by the Game Council, or was the announcement supported by the Game Council, or was the hunting trial supported by the Game Council? The inclusion of that extra clause "supported by the Game Council" makes the sentence tangled and complex.

I rephrased it to this:

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Try reading both aloud, possibly to another person. It's worth paying attention to this kind of thing as tangled, knotty writing can leave readers confused about who said what, about the sequence of events and so on. Clear writing is essential to what we are trying to do on Wikinews (and on Wikipedia, incidentally).

I'm going to have to fail the article on copyright grounds—the latter half of the sentence is a direct verbatim copy from the ABC source!—but I just thought I should include some instructions on how to improve your copy writing for future articles. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Hi. I found the lede needs some work, more than I felt I could do as reviewer.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Published. See review comments. :-)   --Pi zero (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

MIT researchers develop wrist-mounted robot that enhances grasping motion of human hand
This is interesting, but it needs to be framed in terms of something specific that's just happened. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 19:57, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Researchers show how planetary rotation affects habitability of Earth-like planets
Well. It's really quite an interesting item (imho). More than that, it's also an example of a type of article I'd really like to see us get good at (I mean "us" as both "present company" and "Wikinews in general"). I put a great deal of thought into the review, and have tried to write up a thorough set of review comments.

(Sorry the review queue has been a bit sluggish the past couple of days or so; improving our review capacity is an obviously-necessary long term goal for the project.) --Pi zero (talk) 17:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Argh. If it were 24 hours ago, I'd publish this.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

A thought
It seems like you just need to get the hang of drawing from sources while writing in entirely your own words. In my experience, one of the most frustrating pieces of advice around is "write in your own words"; it seems to be implying this is easy, when it's really not — until at some point, it just "clicks" for you, and then it all gets a lot easier. Until it clicks, though, this is one of the more difficult things to do. For me, a really striking experience was reviewing a Wikinews article by a veteran Wikinewsie who is especially good at synthesis (also at original reporting, but I digress); as I checked the article against the sources, I realized that each sentence, often each phrase, in the article was using information from distant places in a source, or even from different sources; while pieces of information that occurred right next to each other in a source often ended up far away from each other in the Wikinews article. It was an impressive, clear demonstration of just how thoroughly dissimilar to the sources a synthesis article can be, and I wanted to find a way to share that experience with others to help them along with this aspect of writing. I tried to write an essay about it, but couldn't capture that vision of how the synthesis text related to the source texts. I wondered if maybe some sort of interactive page could do it, and shortly after that I started working on a software project to make wiki pages interactive — but I'm still working on that technical challenge so I can try out the idea. --Pi zero (talk) 03:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Security guards attacked in Peshawar, Pakistan
I've published this. There were further problems. See review comments, and . --Pi zero (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

India and Pakistan accuse each other of initiating ceasefire violation
Hi. I'm really hopeful we can get this one passed. It needs some rearranging; see review comments. I did a bunch of touch-up to try to get as much as possible out of the way sooner rather than later, to give the article its maximum opportunity for success. --Pi zero (talk) 16:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Published. Felt fairly solid, on the final review.  There's always something; as hinted by the comment from Gopher65, it would have been a stronger article with a bit more of the wider context — like, does five or ten violations a month mean the border is heating up?  (I thought I understood, from a comment or two in the sources, that it's heating up)  --Pi zero (talk) 22:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Scientists analyse effects of global warming, atmospheric ozone on crops
Published. Some distance-from-source problems arose during review. Review comments,. --Pi zero (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Contributing Reporter Award
I figure you've got about seven published articles to your credit now. --Pi zero (talk) 01:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Leading Sierra Leone doctor dies in Ebola epidemic
Published, but not sure I should have, there was still a lot of copyvio that needed cleaning up. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 02:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

International team of scientists studies malaria drug resistance in Southeast Asia
Published. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 19:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

International team of scientists reports on Antarctic lead pollution
Published. Though I deliberated over the freshness issue, and put my thoughts in the review comments. . --Pi zero (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Australian–US team of scientists finds Atlantic warming causes Pacific climate trends
Well, I did publish it. However, it had problems; honestly, if I'd been reviewing it when first submitted I'd have not-ready'd it. Please see my review comments and . --Pi zero (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

US scientists create prototype of autonomous origami-inspired robot
Published. Review comments,. --Pi zero (talk) 20:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Contributing reporter award
As you may have gathered, we're pretty inconsistent about remembering to award these; but I have noticed you've got a bunch more published since I figured "about seven". --Pi zero (talk) 20:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Article failed review
One of your articles, American researchers find a large asteroid held together by forces other than gravity, failed review today. I got the article into a nearly publishable state. It mostly just needs sources for some of the unsourced material in the article. — Gopher65talk 17:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Australian and British psychologists study errors in passport face matching
Published. However, there were significant problems. See review comments and . --Pi zero (talk) 03:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Neo900 receives 55 development devices from Mozilla
After a couple of readings of this, I'm still left trying to figure out how this fits together. An 'open source' phone, yes; but, what's it called? It could do with a couple of quotes from someone on the project, ideally explaining the significance of the N900 phones in this. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Election committee for ArbCom elections?
In this discussion two volunteers are sought for election committee to elect ArbCom that comprises of six people. At Wikinews there is not many people who could be possibly trusted with either of these two roles. If you could volunteer as the election committee member -- this could just require a total of about 5 minutes of your time on two-three days in July -- this would be really appreciated.

ArbCom is a non-political body of Wikinews which mediates and makes decisions in case of disputes that may not be solved by direct communication. Its role is that of arbitration; normally cases arise exceptionally rarely, perhaps less than one case in five years.

The election committee members are not ArbCom members - they only look after rules and procedures of the election: each its member needs to read the links provided in the discussion linked above, and ensure that
 * 1) candidates are eligible to run (do this during the nomination period)
 * 2) candidates are not nominated outside of the nomination period
 * 3) voters are eligible to vote (do this during the voting period)
 * 4) voters do not vote outside of the voting period
 * 5) voting is closed and six winners are announced by the specified deadline (on the day when the voting ends)

Often everything merely runs smoothly and not need any attention other than you monitoring the elections and announcing results at the end. (It is also needed to create pages where candidates are questioned, and to mark discussions as closed after the voting is complete, however if I recall correctly these tasks are often done by a sysop.)

If you would like to volunteer, please leave a message at the discussion linked above. I would be glad to help and support you. Thank you.

--Gryllida (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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Re: welcome-a-bit
Hi Wikiwide :-)

Thanks for signing up at welcome-a-bit.

I've set up User:Wikiwide/wab/dev/email for you. Here is a list of categories, and any newly created submissions on these topics will be delivered to your inbox within 10 minutes of creation.

The first batch will list the full contents of the 'Developing' category and you get it now. In the future you will receive notifications of only freshly added entries which you did not yet read before.

If there are any problems, leave me a message either here, or by replying to any of these e-mails.

If you like, you can get involved in 'welcoming' the articles too, just leave the authors a quick message or several and keep track of the conversation on their talk page. After a day or so, edit the article if they've abandoned it or are asking you to help, but otherwise keep proposing improvements on their talk page.

Thanks Wikiwide!!! --Gryllida (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Re: welcome-a-bit (March)
Hi Wikiwide

It has been several weeks after you signed up for the 'welcome a bit' notification. Does it work for you? Did it help you with editing new drafts? Do you wish to continue receiving the notifications?

This month I have identified a bug in DynamicPageList extension, which prevents me from excluding archived articles from the initial results. This has been addressed by suppressing the first notifications continue to work as expected.

I see you may have received some notifications twice, in the case when one article belongs to two categories which are interesting to you. I hope to fix this by the end of this month.

Do you have any suggestions for improvement? Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 04:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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NSW nurses article
I intend to delete this today, unless you can re-work it or spin things off onto another topic/direction. There is a lot of work in there. Just wanted to notify you before the fact.--Bddpaux (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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