text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/Archive

Archives for the Proposals section of the Water Cooler.

The current archive is Archive 18.

 * Archive 1
 * Topics covered: Focus on community building, Source accreditation, Index Page Navigation, The "patrolled" feature, Tsunami Relief, Water cooler FAQ, I created a beta verson of a community portal - "the newsroom", Featured Article / Collaboration of the Week, WC/Water cooler data overflow fix., The Workspace and the Editor's tasks template, Experimental Digest, How many days worth of articles should we have on Template:Latest news?, Mainpage, How long should articles remain on Developing stories before going to Abandoned?, New short-cuts, Categories, Integrating with wikipedia, Image/Media Requests

 * Archive 2
 * Topics covered: Proposal: remove Copy-edit stage, Editorial Section, New 'daily pages' system, To stop using Wiki Commons as our image source, Wire Service, Non-homepage "Latest News" rework, Wikinewsies by region/nationality, Newsletter and RSS, Categories, Publication date, Number of days on Latest news, "Categories" vs. "Search", Category region pages, Wikinews and Wikipedia Current Events, Wikinewsie listings, New days, Titles

 * Archive 3
 * Topics covered: RSS feed for Wikinews articles, Homepage lead story edit link, Thematic templates, In-Depth Article proposal, Put a synopsis of a second story on the main page, Central vs. South vs. Latin America, Must the lead story have an image?, WikiNews lite

 * Archive 4
 * Topics covered: Good news section, Wackynews, Wikinews:Credential verification Suggestions for beefing the page up a bit, Lottery Numbers, Sorting out Latest news, Wikinews RSS, Let's merge Writing_an_article and Reporter's_tools, and keep them at Wikinews:Workspace, Wikinews weekly, Wikinews Weekend, To make navigation easier for reader., Section for Original Reporting?, Let's scrap Deletion requests, Lets give our READERS a "Letters to the Contributors" Section :)), Tracking Readers' Hits on Stories?

 * Archive 5
 * Topics covered: Language learning and news, don't do like generalists medias: talk about famine & misery please, Wikinews: Country of the Week, A need for Wikinews Local, Link in Navigation menu, Thinking ahead on 'Latest News', Wikinews article on Wikipedia, For-pay external links icon (subscriptions), Soft news has gotta fly or Wikinews is gonna die, Wikinews Debates, Writing to Wikinews Portuguese Edition, Print Edition, Special Main Page, WikiTOONS, Lead Stories Policy

 * Archive 6
 * Topics covered: User comments, News outlet survey, talk about famine misery, News on Desktop, Internet Radio Broadcast, WeatherMap, Wikinews podcast?, Categories, Proposing infoboxes, Caution flag rather than stop sign?, Slogan, Mediation Alerts Needed, Wikinews Newsrooms, Wikinews Promotion, Voice of America news, Stock Photo Usage, Hurricanes, No WikiNews on WikiNews, Suggested "Review for publication" process, Batten Awards for Innovations in Journalism, RSS feeds for development process, Does jumbling matter?, Wikinews:Babel, If "Truth is always the first victim of war" aren't the statements by either side always POV (pov of the side giving the statement/report) ?, Wikinews Original Reporting Translation Network, Spread Wikinews!, Conference attendance, Wikinews:Featured articles, Requested articles, Recorded Wikinews

 * Archive 7
 * Topics covered: Discuss the Audio Wikinews suggestions, Consider the source, Wikinews World Report, Standardized Scripting for Briefs and Full Reports, Retire ?, Wikinews Future Talk, Rapidly changing articles, Wikinews Editorials, Proposal: Portal: namespace, Proposal: Portal workspaces, Proposal: All major topics on frontpage, Linking to Wikinews from WP, Wikinews Hotline, Wikinews neighbourhoods, moving protection against vandals, Category: world, Write and edit articles, Programme Idea for WNN - Hiroshima 60 Documentary, Reverting of page moves to approved Portal namespace, Wikinews Future Talk 2, Accredited Wikinews Press Badges, portals, neighbourhoods etc etc, WikiNews Network

 * Archive 8
 * Topics covered: Watercooler overflowing, Frontpage Wikification Proposal, International Wikinews Writing Contest, Flags, 'Evergreen' tag?, Proposal to Start Obituaries Project, Moving to GFDL, at least temporarily, Portals: the final proposal!, Family news

 * Archive 9
 * Topics covered: Columns, A nice cup of tea and a sit down, Press releases, Lets steal wikipedia's, Proposal; "When administrators leave wikinews, they give up admin powers", Proposal; All future polls for new administrators must include at least 10 votes in support of the nominee in order to be successful, Administrator nomination alerts on front page, More photos on main page, The big Why, Some of us ARE being paid ?, Wikiversity Vote, Spoken Wikinews, Proposal for topic header, categorys, and full date listings all in one ! :D, Have developing stories expire, Blocking abuse remedies, Proposal: Water cooler use, Alternative Proposal

 * Archive 10
 * Topics covered: Proposal for new project: Baha'i Faith news, Satire new for wackynews, A workflow proposal

 * Archive 11
 * Topics covered: Get rid of Wikinews:Country of the Week, NGO Briefs, Include category and description in RSS feeds, Wikinews will have a disaster on its hands unless it comes up with a new method of archiving, Briefs - if we write them, they will come, "Local only" on main page - briefs, briefs, everywhere, Category Sorting, Not Wikipedia

 * Archive 12
 * Topics covered: Accredited Reporter Template, Regional portal template, Link to Aussie Portal from Main page, Need more admins / Quick Deletion / User Speedy Deletion

 * Archive 13
 * Topics covered: Webcomic Entry Proposal, New Writing Contest, IRC Chat, Wikinews merchandise, Main page redesign, Question about Wikinews and Participation in Survey on Collaborative News Models, Wikinews Welcome, Glossy Advertisements, Cease article provision for articles concerning Wikimedia, PDF email, Site notice of the week, "PhilosophyTalk.org", Request an interview, Opinion section, User space editorial template thingy, Remove the wikinews invitation to the general public, Removal of the NotNews tag, Policy Page Edits, Have category pages show entries sortable by date, Wikinews:Contents, Spread Wikinews!, A way I could lend a hand?, Wikipedia, In the news, Google toolbar button proposal, Adding multiple searches, End of the World - prepared article, Establish a Committee for Retaining and not "turning off" contributors, International collaboration on FIFA World Cup 2006, Proposal for an injunction for Mrmiscellanious and Neutralizer, Administrator Code of Conduct, When it comes time for MrM's reconfirmation, Audio Wikinews newsbriefs, New browsing method, Template:Hello, Related stories news articles section, Remove 'disputed stories' and possibly 'stories in development' from Main Page, Calling, International contribution among editions, Standarizing Hezbollah-Israel headlines, a new Newsroom?, I need help, Getting prepared articles out of the portal space, Modular newspaper: A new format for Wikinews Print, Iraq war template, Semiprotecting certain main page templates, any fact-checkers for OR?, proposed help document: When to publish an article, proposed templates, Wikinews related story template

 * Archive 14
 * Topics covered: Proposal for a Main Page design change, Wikinews:Proposed deletion, Proposed new template for scientific articles, Warnings on talk pages where there's deleted images, Infoboxes, United Nations, yet another attempt to change the wikinews stylesheet, w:en:Robert Scoble interview, anyone?, WikiBureaux, Original reporting on front page, DynamicList templates for on-going issues, Creative Commons copyright Author?, Kill the crossword?, proposed template for single-sourced articles, Breaking News, Portal:Current events on Wikipedia, Merging articles, An Idea for News: QwikWikiNews... News with Maximum Clarity and Minimum Word Count..., Yet another Main Page, clicklisten.org, Wikinews Print Redesign, Inverted Triangle, NewbieBot, newspaper headline project, Move Sports news to Current Events, Helpme function, Top menu, Forum:Index, rename Template:Finished, Special:Random, Template:Unblock, Publish checklist, and changes to Template:Develop, Template:Ready, Competition, Wikinews Search Engine, BBC Citizen journalism video thingy, del.ici.ous, etc.?, Interview - a new namespace, Audio Wikinews Newsline, Interviews/ Poll on Climate warming, Adopt a people project, Full RSS Feeds, Photojournalism, Wikinews Ticker?, Revamp Main Page, WikiCast, IDENTITIY THEFT -- A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, Wikisari, Countries with no articles, Local Town Portal

 * Archive 15
 * Topics covered: Audio Wikinews... or something like it., Full RSS Feeds, Photojournalism, Audio Wikinews... or something like it (again), Google News, WikinewsTicker, Wikipedia link, Proposed articles, Potential Cure For Cancer, E-mail, Editorials/Voices, Media links, Commons Picture of the Year 2006, Penis symbol, Virgin Train crashes in England. Wikinews ads, E-mail, part II, wikinews Video, Protection of date templates on main page, Wikinews for PDAs or Mobile Phones, Wikimedia Communication Projects Group- we need your help!, WikiCast needs Audio Wikinews Daily!, Web 2.0,Editorials,Wikimania, Digg.com, Re-skinning, Wikinews:Upcoming events, Either it is original reporting... or forget it, Wikimedia's open door days, Question on Wikinews talk:Upcoming events, Planet Wikimedia, POTD, Digg/reddit/Newsvine/del.icio.us?, Wikinews Weather, Associated Press

 * Archive 16
 * Topics covered: Main page box - really needed?, Template:Topics, Wikinews - Blog, Using WikiWorld on Wikinews, Embassy, Competition, Wikinews into Google News, U.S. Politics category / template?, Wikinews e-mail, Accreditation via chapters, Public Domain articles, New-comer pondering wikinews experience, Crenra's article - Toshiba Transatlantic Challenge - Success!, Social bookmarking or just sharing in general?, Wikinews, Wikipedia, Knight Foundation, Wikinews & OTRS, Interwiki Wikipedia link in toolbox, forum system for news articles, Citation, Wikinews is gonna die unless it cuts out this NPOV nonsense, Template:Commentary, Future article updates, Portal:Football, "borrowing" ideas, Wikicast, Fundraising, Polling Templates, Wikinews Foundation, Sunday Edition, Always being last with the news, "Featured Story" on front page, Ontario Votes?, Wikinews/BBC collaboration discussion, News radio recordings, Two lead images, Making the lead article template less confusing, An "Upcoming Events" section, Relevance tool for searching/displaying news items, Adverts, Adding a poll and an article rating/comment combination extension, Google News, "Meet the editors" video, Wikinews/Wikipedia search option, "First on the scene" tag?, Exchange rates

 * Archive 17
 * Topics covered: Private OR wiki, Archiving, Historic news, Wikinews:Picture of the Year, Attracting more readers + contributors: some ideas from a WN newbie, US election category duplication, When we should archive, Movies, Press releases, Book Review and Other Reviews, April Fools Day, Enable email for user talk page changes, Press pass for Accredited Reporters, Main page redesign, Proposal: Create Wikinews:Wikipedia News Bureau, Proposal: Only Accredited Reporters can conduct Original Research, Semi-protection instead of full protection?, Wikinews on television, Proposal:Wikinews stops using VOA content, Newbie restrictions, SciDev.Net on CC-2.0, Newcomer's $.02, Some ideas on reaching critical mass, 2008 Presidential candidate navbox, Category request, Wikinews on Facebook, Wikinews weekly, Radio, Proposal: Wikinews has OTRS like thing, RecentChangesCamp 2008 -- May 9-11, Palo Alto, California, Interview idea, WikipediaVision

 * Archive 18
 * Topics covered: Should Wikinews split from the WMF?, Proposal: New citation templates, Default skin?, Flagged Revs, Flagged Revisions - Time to decide!, WN:JOIN US, Rename Ready to Review, Main Page, Call to Keyboards!!!, Is it necessary?, Temporary trial full-protection of the 4 Main Page Leads, Wikinews Hotline, Suggested alternative Have Your Say Templates, ReviewBot - automated changing of article templates immediately after peer review, Wikipedia discussion - Main Page leads, YouTube ad, Move the "other languages" list above the search box in the sidebar, School journalism project, Live commentary, Interview seekers, Changing vertical CountryTemplates to Horizontal, Creating a category for articles on the current economic crisis, creating a economics and business bureau, WikiVoices welcomes Wikinews, WiiNews Skin, WN:ARTICLE, Hello/Welcome revamp, US Voters go to the polls, Poster designs, Global Bots, New writing contest, Expansion, Hidden Categories, Presidential inauguration - press credentials, Wikinews: Shorts Videos, Distribution of Wikinews Print Edition, Quiz archiving, Interlanguage interview collaboration, Comments links, New approach to sources, Podcast, anyone?, Polls, Boxouts, An extension we need... (Mibbit irc), Wikinews should assume the traditional role of a newspaper, OR from previous articles template proposal, Vote for a Multilingual Wikinews!, Change "editor" group to "reviewer", Proposal to arrange a Lonnie Dupre interview, Reviewing articles, Pennsylvania infobox? (And possibly Jersey too?), Merging America into one news-section, Simplifiying Documentation on Lead Article Templates, Wikinews Accredited Reporter Identity Card (WARIC) Project, Proposal to remove the reviewer user group

title: Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/Archive


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/Archive/1

Focus on community building
I think in the next few weeks, we should focus on building a large, active community of editors, not necessarily on creating top notch articles (though we should take care to tag articles which have problems). I have therefore greatly simplified the article development process.--Eloquence 04:05, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Source accreditation
 (from Wiki-No-News above)

 * 3. How do you attribute articles that are difficult to attribute? This is a problem not just for original articles but also for any reference to off-line media.  If I post an article that references a local newspaper that is not online - how does that get attributed.  What about the minutes of a town hall meeting etc etc.?  I think you need at least two elements:  1) You MUST be able to interact with the author - thus sources not immediately attributable must have a user name with an email contact address on their user page. This doesn't have to be their real name or primary email, but they must be contactable for verification purposes. 2) There should be a way of flagging references/ sources as verified or unverified to allow readers to make up their own minds as to how they interpret an article.  Perhaps some sort of traffic-light code or something. As other writers corroborate this the verification status can be changed. (Karim)

 * Great points. I really like the idea of attributed/unattributed tags on sources. In terms of the author interaction, I know I was thinking that if we accredited reporters, that they would be required to give an e-mail address and name with their accredidation. Would that do the trick for you? DE is working like this, and it seems to do pretty well for them so far. (Lyellin)

Lyellin. Yes this would work, except I'm not sure how one person or group 'accredits' a reporter. Certainly I think providing a contact email is the minimum requirement. I think after that a writer's accreditation will be more a matter of his/her reputation. The more a writer submits, the more their pieces are corroborrated, the more their 'reputation' grows and the more confidence people will have in them. I'm not sure whether this should be implicit, or some sort of explicit system such as on eBay, Shalshdot etc. Perhaps each user should have a colour-coded 'reputation' that appears next to their username? Karim 09:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Index Page Navigation
Very exciting and important project, my respects to everyone's obvious hard work. My first impression as a news consumer and webdesigner is that the index page offers a lot more access to the mechanics of producing the news than it does to the news itself. This means I had to go hunting to find the actual news and it took me a while to understand I was expected to scroll right down the page to get to the site content. Could we please have links to all the major sections - not just spread out on the index page - grouped as a menu section up in the first screen? This would mean having links to

Latest News/ Ongoing Reports/ Special Reports

Politics and conflicts/ Economy and business/ Science and technology/ Disasters and accidents/ Crime and law/ Environment/ Health/ Culture and entertainment/ Sport/ Obituaries/ Weather

 Regions: N America/ S America/ Europe/ Africa/ Middle East/ Asia/ Oceania

 Wikinews editing: News in Brief/ Ongoing Disputes/Editing Needed/ Requested Articles

--Shan-UK 10:51, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * These types of suggestions have been discussed before, but didn't get far because the site was too new, and later on because of the page protection.

 * (Unfortunately vandals made it necessary to protect the main page, so most of us can't improve the layout of the main page without getting an Admin's permission.)

 * I'm working on a "sandbox page" right now, where I plan to show a better page design to the Admins.

 * I'll post a link once I have a sandbox page that is worth taking a look at.

 * — DV 16:17, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I set up a sandbox for the Main Page to illustrate an improved layout that addresses some of the points you made.

 * Please check it out and let me know what you think on the Main Page sandbox discussion page.

 * Thanks for your constructive feedback.

 * — DV 20:21, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks DV (damn holidays taking all my time). I'm trying to stay abreast of this and will put up any changes as soon as people want them up . Sorry that it had to be protected :(. Lyellin 23:42, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

--Carlosar 00:05, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC) I have a general idea to the Developing stories here
 * Great ideas. I left comments on the talk page. Davodd | Talk 01:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The "patrolled" feature
Has anyone else noticed the exclamation points marking "unpatrolled" edits?

I read the discussion on this feature over on the Village pump and it appears that if anyone is interested in using this feature, they can only mark "diffs" as patrolled. There is no way to mark new articles as patrolled, because there is no diff.

It appears that no one is using this feature on Wikinews, so for now, it's simply a visual annoyance that is cluttering up the recent changes log.

Does anyone plan to use this feature?

— DV 03:25, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I need a computer science degree to figure out either how to use it - or how to turn it off. :-) -- Davodd | Talk 05:51, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I would like to use this feature, and am trying to get a live RC channel set up at #enrc.wikinews right now. - Amgine 06:41, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tsunami Relief
Just a suggestion from a "newbie" on blogs: What if we start a groundswell suggesting that President Bush take two unprecedented stands to help the tsunami victims AND take a giant step towards peace in the Mid-East:
 * 1) Have a small, simple swearing-in ceremony and send the $$millions NOT spent on an elaborate inaugeration to the tsunami destroyed countries.
 * 2) Call on the warring factions in the entire Middle East (Arabs, Palestinians, Israelis) to cease fighting and send aid to their Muslim brothers and sisters in the tsunami-stricken countries.

(above edit from an anonymous IP address)

 * While these are pleasant suggestions, Wikinews is not a political advocacy organization.

 * Also, it's my understanding that the American presidential inauguration ceremony is being funded by private individuals and organizations, so President Bush does not directly control that money.

 * Perhaps if you could find a notable organization that is advocating the above proposal, Wikinews could publish a story about that organization's efforts should they have success with generating support for these ideas.

 * — DV 07:20, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Water cooler, FAQ
I feel this page is not easy to use for discussions, which is why policy decision making is being ignored or being done by a very limited group of the contributors. I have created a model of this page which will be easier to maintain, which keeps all the messages available on the Water cooler, and which may improve participation. It may be viewed at User:Amgine/Sandbox2. - Amgine 07:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The FAQ did not exist as of a couple hours ago. This is directly linked by a couple of skins, and is a more appropriate repository than the Water cooler. (It could also be included on this page simply with ) - Amgine 07:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. My edits last night were a first step in creating such a FAQ (and an attempt to wittle down the size of this beast). Be bold with your ideas. -- Davodd | Talk 07:37, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I created a beta verson of a community portal - "the newsroom"
Over the past few days there have been numerous requests (mostly resulting from talks with Tsunami Help folk) that Wikinews have a centralized community portal set up in an easy-to-use format for new users. I've taken a stab at it to create the newsroom for wikijournalists. I borrowed heavily from Wikipedia, but I'm sure as more people start improvng it, our community portal will evolve into its own "Wikinews"-flovored beast. Please visit The newsroom and leave your comments, suggestions and the like on its talk page. Also feel free to tweak it or boldly edit it to make it better serve the community. -- Davodd | Talk 08:02, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Featured Article / Collaboration of the Week
What do you guys think about picking a topic, one per week or so, and promoting it as a featured article. I believe Wikinews is in desperate need of some quality articles, and high quality articles will get posted around the net bringing more people to the site. This is a good way to encourge people to work together to produce a quality article on an important issue of the day. There could be a vote each week (or perhaps when the featured article that is being worked on is finished) deciding what the topic is. Thoughts? - TalkHard 03:49, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I would like to suggest something a bit different though related. As a news organization, almost any article that is a day old is nearly useless from a "news" perspective; we can keep editing it for correctness or NPOV, but from a pure newsworthiness perspective it heads towards irrelevancy almost as soon as it is published. A single featured article would need to be the collaboration of the hour in order to be useful.
 * That said, I think we should collaborate on topics: pick groupings of events that are happening in the world that are important and cover them from various angles. I have started Weekly Topics (and specifically, Weekly Topics/January 3, 2005 for this week) in order to get this off the ground. I would like to encourage everyone to try that system out to see if we can use it to coordinate effort to actually write some news articles here. -- IlyaHaykinson 05:38, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I like the idea of a featured topic, I'm just worried that at this point that there may not be enough people to create multiple quality articles on a single topic. It would be much better to produce a single high quality article than multiple mediocre ones. Personally, I would like to first try to create features articles on topics that would not become irrelevant right away. Magazines like Time and Newsweek manage to write relevant articles on a weekly basis, I don't see why we can't. Of course it's also possible to combine both ideas by changing it up depending on the subject - some weeks have a single article, others a topic. - TalkHard 07:11, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I will join either TalkHard's or IllyaHaykinson's plan. Areas I'm interested or able to contribute : Social aspects of IT, media industries and regulations, intellectual property laws, & Japan. Tomos 05:49, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * We will need to convince the devs to add the magic word, which should be no problem. This will create a week number according to ISO 8601, a number from 1-54 (in certain very rare leap years, normally 1-53 depending on which day of the week the year starts on.) In other words, I've done this kind of set up before (weekly feature item on mediawiki).
 * If you'd like me to do this, Ilya, contact me on my talk page. I could also build a template for you, TalkHard - Amgine 05:50, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * This feature request already exists. I voted for it, bumped up its priority, and commented that we'd like it. -- IlyaHaykinson 07:40, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Ashar plans on implementing in the next few days, but thanks for the bump. (my request and several others have been merged into 1206.) - Amgine 19:25, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the idea of a weekly Feature Story is wonderful. I envision something like what Amgine did with the Tsunami - except with one major indepth story as its anchor. -- Davodd | Talk 06:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Projects like that are a good idea, but they're really story agregators. We may want to build story aggregators occasionally, but they take a lot of maintenance so we need to use them for time-delimited news items, set up maintenance schedules (at least daily for current items, perhaps weekly for older projects, etc.) - Amgine 19:25, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not really pro- or anti- this particular proposal, but I think we should bear in mind that
 * Wikinews is still very new
 * We have few authors/editors
 * Much of our work right now is on the infrastructure, not on stories Therefore
 * Building more and more infrastructure is not necessarily the answer to the problem of too few people working on stories
 * The answer is for the infrastructure to be finished so that people spend time on stories
 * So providing a minimal but effective infrastructure should be our current task

 * We are growing, like a snowball, and I think things are going very well indeed for such a new idea. Like the big, friendly letters say, 'DON'T PANIC'. Simeon 12:15, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WC/Water cooler data overflow fix.
Started by --Weltonch777 22:08, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Workspace and the Editor's tasks template
I feel that the functions of the ET were often things the Workspace is meant for, and I certainly find the workspace easier to use and more straightfoward without the ET present (also thinking from a newcomer's point of view). Editing a page directly is easier and simpler than editing a template. For example, if you click 'edit' on the Workspace you can't actually edit the ET. An inexperienced user would be doing well even to spot the template text, let alone know how to edit a template.

So I've changed quite a few pages (such as the newsroom and the workspace itself) to reflect that. There's a few tasks - eg rescuing abandoned articles - that the ET does but the workspace doesn't do currently. I propose expanding the colour-code templates on the workspace to cover any tasks that are still unique to the ET.

On the other hand, I do recognize the power the ET template represents - real-time Works in Progress can be shown anywhere on the site. I just feel however that one central easy-to-edit area for working on articles (especially one linked from the sidebar menu) is just an easier way to do things. Dan100 09:30, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I was failing to appreciate the different purposes for the workspace and ET. Davodd has clarified things greatly on the workspace page, and now made the ET template much easier to edit to boot. Thanks Davodd! Dan100 10:25, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. You provided some very accurate insight. If you go through the history of the Workspace page, you'll notice that it went through some very drastic changes since November (the removal of the tiered review process). And as of last week, it was quite schizophrenic - and boggling to a new user on how to use it. I think together we improved the page's usability. And I have no doubt that other editors in the future also will improve the page. -- Davodd | Talk 20:40, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Experimental Digest
Digest/1January2005exp what do you guys think? I didn't like the current digest (basically a big list), so I'm trying this out. Xcjm 18:43, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks really good. Be bold and go for it. I think the only resaon the digests haven't been improved so far is that there is so much work to do that no on has gotten around to it. Thanks for taking this on. -- Davodd | Talk 20:54, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for doing the good work on the digest layout. I think that your version is definitely better than the normal one for January 1. However I think that neither is useful: they're just a step above a category for the week. Instead I think digests should be more like the older Digest/6December2004 — showing a headline and a short paragraph summarzing each news item. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:01, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Which reminds me, Ilya... The archives could just as easily be organized by as not, once we get that implemented. Should we plan on an Archives/1, Archives/2... format, with yearly archives of Archives/2004? We could also use Archives/1 YYYY, which would allow further templating and less maintenances. - Amgine 06:06, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Do you mean archives of digests? I would say when we get currentweek implemented (which is not much of an "if" but it isn't at all clear on the "when" it'll actually be live for us) we should just have Digest/2005/Week_ . -- IlyaHaykinson 06:52, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The implementation should be any time now; Hashar is planning to backpart it into 1_4, and said its availability is "probably right now!". I agree about the digest setup. We could (in theory) just use the digest and do a page insert? - Amgine 01:10, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow, that's good news. I totally look forward to it being available then. What do you mean by "do a page insert"? -- IlyaHaykinson 01:21, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * If you want to include the contents of another page somewhere, you can simply pretend it's a template and put the name in curly braces. is my personal message to new users. (you can also do  and it will add the actual text when you save, iirc).
 * So, following the line of thought above we could use the digest page as a part of the Latest news template, simply including the archive directly. Hmm... no, then we'd end up with 13 days of news on the main page by the end of every week... Well, it's a thought. Needs work. - Amgine 05:50, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, that page insert. I see, right. I think it's fine with just a link from the homepage to the current digest for now. -- IlyaHaykinson 07:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

How many days worth of articles should we have on Template:Latest news?
There's currently nine days of articles on the template, I think that's a bit too many! I think seven days worth would be enough. But I guess there's some sort of digest system articles should be put into first (an area I haven't looked at closely) before being removed. Dan100 22:10, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * My suggestion is to have the last seven days of stories or stories since the end of the last digest, whichever is greater. This way we always have a week of stories, and long lists encourage us to put older stories into digests on a weekly basis. -- IlyaHaykinson 22:53, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. Is there an established way of doing digests? Dan100 22:30, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Just what you see in Digest which, admittedly, is in flux. -- IlyaHaykinson 22:43, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to lop off a day or two if the left side of the screen gets too long. -- Davodd | Talk 05:39, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

When gets implemented, will we be able to have  ? If all we had to to was add that to every article, then each digest could just be the category for that week. Neat and simple, with little manual involvement. Dan100 14:22, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Not quite that simple. I think it needs to be, but I will have to test that. It is currently active. The week is # (until next Monday). - Amgine 05:11, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think that will work. Give it a go and let's see what happens! Dan100 21:50, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps we can make them be instead (i.e. include the word Week so that it's not just a "2, 2005")? -- IlyaHaykinson 22:03, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Uh huh, I see. I'm not sure if Amigne has tried this or not but I think I'll have a crack at it. I think I will try adding the text into the byline template. Dan100 19:32, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well that didn't work :). All it did was put the week+year into the byline template, once, so it never updated again - it was just text. I think it would work with the substs removed, but that would re-print the week and year everytime the article was saved, which could see articles jumping categories when they're edited a while after creation :/. Dan100 (Talk) 00:19, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Related to this, but sort of from the other end, what do we do about articles that are just coming out of the development/copy edit embargo? For example, I just copy edited an article marked on the copy queue as Jan. 13, so I put it in Latest news template under Jan. 13. Do we want to add articles by dateline or by the "publishing" date (i.e. the date that it gets to be a "real" article?) Or has this been discuss already in some place I've missed?

 * List them on Latest news under the byline date. Stories listed for copyedit should be on LN already; it's just to drar attention to those particular stories needing a check-over.

Mainpage

 * To include/share the Template:In the news from the Wikipedia mainpage for consistency and efficiency notwithstanding that Wikinews should be the prime source!

 * To allow the mainpage to be refreshed automatically (either by server push or timed refresh) to allow news stories to be displayed (colour coded)

Onymous 81.217.21.244 09:39, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I started doing a daily News Briefs article just for this reason. EX: News Briefs: January 11, 2005. My thoughts were this would be the place folks could mention news stories covered well elsewhere by putting a one or two sentence recap and then links to the original story for outside sources. -- Davodd | Talk 05:38, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * how about a News briefing template, with a ready made 'sources' entry - Onymous 81.217.21.244 08:48, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Include a terse one line Newsflash story, brief text + source link - to be updated frequently - special template perhaps with edit tag and automatic timestamp - Onymous 81.217.21.244 08:48, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Use a standard Date/Time timezone and format for all articles - Onymous 81.217.21.244 08:48, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

How long should articles remain on Developing stories before going to Abandoned?
In the Editor's tasks template - I'd suggest no more than a week, as they're already 'old-news' by then. Dan100 22:41, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been going by edit history. If the last edit of substance was more than a week from the day I check it, I move it down to abandoned. -- Davodd | Talk 05:34, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)\

Sounds like a good plan. Next, how long do we keep stuff on Abandoned? I think I've asked that one before but can't remember where - I think another week was suggested, which sounds fair enough. Dan100 23:42, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's for seven days then we list the article for deletion isn't it? Dan100 09:17, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * :-) Actually I've been lax on the listing for deletion. Usually I list on WN:DR the day after I list on abandoned to give a warning. Sometimes I do it the same day - sometimes I forget for a few days. Basically, this is only for abandoned articles that are obviously not finished (how-to notes in main space, lack of coherent structure, no WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN WHY and/or HOW adressed). And it's in really hope that someone will run in and save it. -- Davodd | Talk 10:47, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New short-cuts
I've made a short-cut to template:Latest news - T:LN and one to Editor tasks - T:ET Dan100 09:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Categories
I'm not sure if this is already happening or what, but the categories system seems pretty clumsy right now. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the function built into the system? The topics on the main page are too old to be relevant, to narrow to be frequently updated, and too large to be navigatable (sp?). It seems a bit pointless. Also it should apply to local news, (get rid of the news by contintent) I think we should make "reports" apply more broadly to things that may be in those categories because they, despite being older, are still of interest. This would include only a fraction of that stuff, but most of it really shouldn't be on the main page anyway. The main page needs to be re-done. I've seen some layouts floating around and they look good :-). Xcjm 02:02, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, DV and others have come up with some great replacement layouts; if others want to see, take a look at Talk:Main Page where there are links.
 * As for categories, maybe you should check with IlyaHaykinson about the topic discussion which was started. If you have an idea or plan, try getting explaining? Then we can help out. - Amgine 05:18, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * 1. Categories are broken. UNtil we can get a sort feature that puts newest on top, Wikinews categories will be a by-hand affair. 2. Yes, a new front page layout is screaming to be done. -- Davodd | Talk 10:55, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

We need to retire Template:sortedstories and take it off the front page. It's too much work to keep up-to-date/too hard to navigate/looks rubbish. The problem I find with the categories system is knowing what categories exist, and which ones to add to a story. I've linked to Special:Categories on one of the instructions pages but the list is 300 odd long! P e r s o n a l l y I don't like the category system at all and see little need for it. My first instinct when searching for a past story on a news site like BBC News is to use the search - I wouldn't go into, say, Africa and try and work my way back.

I do think we need a simple, short list of top categories such as: Continent, country, and topic (eg politics, sci and tech, health). We could probably figure out some way to list those automatically. Dan100 16:54, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well I've had a look at BBC News and I suggest we rip them off shamelessly, with a few changes :) -

 * Europe
 * North America
 * Central America
 * South America
 * Asia-Pacific
 * Middle East
 * South Asia (not quite sure what countries that includes, will have to detail that)

Then:

 * The specific country (if relevant, see next bit)

And then and/or the following (and if, for example, it's a health story from the US, or for say an astronomy discovery):

 * Business
 * Politics
 * Health
 * Education
 * Science and nature
 * Technology
 * Entertainment

I suggest these basic catergories be listed prominently on Categories and topic pages for people to see and remember to add to their stories. Obviously other editors could more detailed categories aftwards if they wish, but these are the real basics. What would then be ideal would be have a template on the Main Page that lists say the newest five under each topic (also replacing Template:Latest news). (Just above it we could have a box for the latest lead stories (pretty much identical to In the news on Wikipedia)). As far as I know there's no current way to do that automatically (the ideal), but I don't think it would be impossible to maintain manually. Dan100 18:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I've just spotted Davodd's experiment with listing articles in categories by date at the top of the water cooler page. If we could get that to work with my proposals above (so the newest articles under each category are listed at the top) I think it would be pretty good. Dan100 21:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I've been having a play using sort keys. It seems it would be quite possible to sort the article entries in a category by date. The only problem is that the Mediawiki software seems to list articles by number from lowest to highest (ie 1,2,3), so entries sorted by date (which I generated with ) get listed in reverse order of creation/addition. Darn! Dan100 22:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Wouldn't that keep updating with every edit? Or does it put in the week number on first use of the template? -- IlyaHaykinson 19:51, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * First use. Dan100 (Talk) 11:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What's wrong with the current list of regions? BBC according to the list above is Europe, North America, Central America, South America, Asia-Pacific, Middle East, South Asia; while we have Africa, Asia, Europe, Middle East, North America, Oceania, and South America. I think our list is fine, especially if we move Category:Central America to be a top-level category under Regions, instead of being stuck under North America. Similarly, BBC's categories are Business, Politics, Health, Education, Science and nature, Technology, Entertainment; while ours are Politics and conflicts, Disasters and accidents, Crime and law, Environment, Obituaries, Economy and business, Science and technology, Culture and entertainment, Health, Sports, and Weather. I don't think that ours are any worse, and don't see why they need any reform. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:58, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * There's a cuple of problems with the existing cats:

 * 1) Population. India and China number about 2.5 billion people between them - they dwarf the rest of Asia, so need to seperated along with their neighbours (South Asia). That leaves the rest of Asia and Oceania, which aren't quite big enough to deserve their own individual categories - hence Asia-Pacific.
 * 2) Defining news. There's just no need for categories such as 'conflicts', 'crime' or 'disasters' as people don't go looking for them. They either go for the latest news in an area, OR look for non-geographically based news stories, such as science or entertainment. Of course there's nothing stopping (and no harm in) editors adding those categories, but I'd suggest we stick to the above for, say, lists of headlines on the front page.

On the other hand I still can't see a way of having just (say) the latest ten headlines (article titles) listed automatically in a template. The best I can come up with is all stories listed in a cat, in reverse date order of publication. That's not a whole lotta use... Of course, manually updating templates is possible, but that needs a lot of man-power; man-power we don't have, as sortedstories currently lying dead shows. Dan100 (Talk) 11:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Integrating with wikipedia
Wikipedia articles on current events are very simmilar if not the same as what we would create for wikinews. It is counterproductive to make 2 articles about the same thing. However, I believe this is a very important project, and if we somehow integrate the two, it would allow more users to contribute. Here are just a few ideas for integrating:

 * Current events section of wikipedia should also be part of wikinews.
 * After an article is completed on wikinews, if it is good enough, it should be integrated into wikipedia as a seperate entry or as part of another article
 * Link related wikipedia articles to wikinews articles and vice versa

Image/Media Requests
Would people be down with setting up a "Requested Images" template, similar to the one we have for articles? It would be an interesting way to advertise for images of things we know we need, like upcoming major events, or things we need regularly, like stock photos of important places, people, things, etc. This could help us build up the Commons with Public Domain or Creative Commons work and allow for much richer and more focused media on the site. What do people think?

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/


text:
User talk:202.154.105.254

Welcome
202.154.105.254, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 04:28, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:202.154.105.254


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/technical/Archive

Archives for the Technical section of the Water Cooler.

The current archive is Archive 13.

 * Archive 1
 * Topics covered: Help! The water cooler is too full!, Suggestion of Trackback Feature, New tool on IRC, Anyway for stubs to be listed on Developing articles automatically?, A concept for News Briefs, New system for Latest news/Digests, Responses, Tools for article authors, New Main Page Layout

 * Archive 2
 * Topics covered: New web-based IRC chat client for #wikinews, Extension, Potential feature: Crossword puzzle, Linking to Wikipedia articles, source template

 * Archive 3
 * Topics covered: News ticker, Separate templates on Editor's tasks, Stock market data - help needed, Dutch interface links, Categories, Date Tag, Bundling articles, Axe language selection?, Wikinews-specific skin (Full details), OK Alpha geek challenge... overriding the image click link, DynamicPageList, New real-time online collaboration tool, Why we need to use 'Subst:' in templates, How does Index work?, Minor bug in the software, or bad wiki markup?

 * Archive 4
 * Topics covered: Cologne Blue Skin, Legality of market data?, Readership stats available?, Reviews and Editorials: A technical solution, News Dossiers, Weather Bot, Page diff should also display comment, RSS -> live bookmarks code, Measuring the audience, Infoboxes, www.wikinews.com goes to the wrong place, New Layout, copyright link in source points to gfdl but wikinews is PD, Blinking logo, New Developing Stories and Latest News system, DPL Conversation, Random thought, tooltip for nav menu is incorect, MediaWiki upgrade, DynamicPageList update, Possibility for DPLs on Main Page, DPLs installed, Developing stories - should it use DPLs?, DPL use on the Main Page, Page moves cause an article to jump to top of DPL, A technical solution for the DPL developing template, what happened to browse by section?, Headline section double entry of a news story

 * Archive 5
 * Topics covered: Timestamp needed, Articles in Category listings, Article naming, Template:Copyvio, Commons are at it again (they want to block the WeatherBot), Automatic spell checking

 * Archive 6
 * Topics covered: Techniques used to keep news down after edits, Problems in IExplorer, Automatic things need work, Portal namespace, Problem with version comparison

 * Archive 7
 * Topics covered: DPL2, 'merging' template was missing, Upload link broken, Public Domain Tagging Bot, CC logo, User talk page editing for blocked users enabled, Special:Cite, Infoboxes, ..., My Contributions, Double redirects, New Article Inputbox, Rename bug, Index.php, Wikinews as NNTP news

 * Archive 8
 * Topics covered: RC Patrol, Voting and Consensus, Comments, Multi-category DPLs, What happened to the source template?, "podcast", Copyvio script proposal, Lead Article Template, www.wikinews.org.au, Link to Wikinews at Current_events, RDF meta data, News discussion/commentary on Wikicities, April Fools Prank, Weather bot images on commons, pl weather, Email this story . . ., IRC, URLs using IDs rather than titles, Need help from someone in the UK, Need to confirm e-mail address, multi-lang portals

 * Archive 9
 * Topics covered: Tawkerbot2, Date oddity, New flag, Discussions of the news, "history" and signature records not accurate?, Articles either disputed or in development should not be spidered, Fixed your Create a New Article, Spellchecking, WeatherBot images on Commons: OK to delete?, Daylight saving in North America, Custom toolbar button for adding sources, Sources to References Transition?, Date template fix?, Images can now be undeleted!, Changing categories on archived articles, html error in Template: Lead, DynamicPagelist2, About the daily print and audio news, Ordering according to date, category stuff, MediaWiki:Sitenotice acting up, AutoWikiBrowser, purging cached special pages, How to insert picture, Featured stories, Error with pages, Submitting Audio to the Automatic RSS EMail?, broken rss feed, Template:Topics - formating nav boxes, Captcha, Stats, DPL2, wikipediapar, test, Sources section, Wikinews Hotline -- add SMS capability?, RSS feeds not working properly, interwiki bot, Template:New Zealand badly broken, Reactions to the Iraq Study Report, RSS feed dead -again, What about DPL2?, RSS broken

 * Archive 10
 * Topics covered: Sitenotice all Javascript, Page loss in MSIE6?, RSS problem?, HELP, Newbie here. sign my name in the message. By tilde.,  Deleted articles and talk pages,Somalia should be included in Portal:Africa, Latest News RSS Feed? ,rss feed notice, RSS feed circulation, Is there a bot to fix double-redirects? ,rss feeds in wikinews, "Wiki does not exist", User Comments, DynamicPageList help, Template:Archive, Tasks requiring automation, Wikinews trailer, Background, country templates,  change the site theme. We look really bad, copy-vio not showing up on WN:DR, Jump to top,  Change of title to downsize, Do Not Ban This IP if it comes up, what gives?, Renaming articles and the comments pages, Unpublished articles on RSS feeds?, "view opinions" tab, Headline about Irish general election is WRONG!  google analytics, Disputed/unpublished articles showing on "Random page", Request for Accreditation, rename discussion namespace to collaboration, opinions tab does not show up red, Should you find and upload a free alternative, please label this image as ., MediaWiki on moving pages, Creating new article problem, Why no wikitable

 * Archive 11
 * Topics covered: Wikinews weather, Wikitable still not up to standard, Wikipedia Table of Contents enhancement, Quiz extension, Microformats and coordinates, Recent page move vandalism, Improved news design?, Monobook Skin Possessed, Custom CSS, Thanks for the prompt to rename "Comments" page!, Comments namespace, RSS mess up?, Google stats, Reduce the need for 2 Dynamic Navigations, Can a forum on Retail Industry be considered?, real live chat channel for Wikinews, Comment tab extension, hide-away portal, PDF articles, Remove confirm screen for purge (anons), Monobook script not working,Transcluding DynamicPageList results to Wikipedia pages, Page move restriction, Broken "opinions" tab, How to use DynamicPageList to display from either of two categories at once?, Directly linking to videos (and other weird uri schemas), Comment tab extension, language list, DPL getting date wrong?, Microformats and coordinates, DPL userdateformat parametrs, New Wikipedia Tool Wikinews Needs, Ticker efficency, #tag, RSS Not Updating, Photography laws, Archives/categories, Wikinews search?, Audio file, Updating the new leads, Wikinews WAP, Audio update, "Wikinews has a problem" - "This site is experiencing technical difficulties", Shankbone Audio Interviews, Does this audio file crash your browser like it does mine (be forewarned), Comments talk: namespace, Wikipedia article traffic statistics, Template:Editprotected and Template:Archived, WN:AAA dynamic list for edit-protected, Editing titles?, And uploading non-listed file types to Media commons?, Interwiki linking, Templates stories?, Single User Login, Navigation, Rendering on airport internet terminal, File Uploads set to Autoconfirmed

 * Archive 12
 * Topics covered: New statistics bot; Prepared: namespace; RSS/Atom news channel for Wikinews; Wikinews wap (mobile phone) portal; Proposed enhancement to the DPL extension; new ticker; __NOINDEX__ magic word; "Latest News RSS" Display Wrong Date in "Feed Headlines"; Robot to categorize the ARCTIC?; Changing Commons images, FlaggedRevs, move search box up, FlaggedRevs reader feedback module, infobox, How to get 2 categories to output in the same DPL?, Flagged revisions bug?, Showing number of articles needing review in recent changes, Disabling wgFlaggedRevsAutoReviewNew, Audio template messing up page formats, Looking for help - new Audio Wiki template?, Changing Sitenotices?, Bug 15669 (<nodraft> tag), More Google news requirements, Latest from Josh @ Google..., Wikinews:Story preparation Exclusion for Robots.txt, Hotline still listed on print edition, Would sighted revisions be useful on recentchanges, Reverting edits marks article as newest?, Addressing error, Wikinews on mobile phones, Identify "hanging" comment pages, Bot approval for inital sighting of authoritative pages, Article view counts on articles, Fundraiser banner, SineBot, The IWF blacklist, bug:16865 (related to robots/indexing), Problem with recent changes, Use of global site notice for steward election notice, Article on related Iceland articles but not portal, I need ideas .., Un-sighting edits, Slash error, Two typos in Gadget tab, Sort by date in Categories, HotCat not working, Category RSS, Category statistics, Latest news, Special:WantedPages, {{ #formatdate:..., Playing subtitles in Ogg-embedded media player, Fixing redirects, The {{tl|Howdy}} template

 * Archive 13
 * Topics covered:

title: Wikinews:Water cooler/technical/Archive


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/technical/Archive/1

Help! The water cooler is too full!
This page is over 200K in size, and my browser is about to crash from editing this page!

Candidates for Admin (you know who you are :) will receive my accolades for helping to move some of these discussions onto subpages.

— DV 07:29, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I pruned it a little. -- Davodd | Talk 11:14, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion of Trackback Feature

 * I suggest to implement a Trackback Feature, for example by Haloscan or a corresponding Open-Source Project. On could easily relate to the News and achieve a better connection with Blog-World.--Monet 20:29, 4. Jan 2005 (UTC)

New tool on IRC
We have secured a Recent Changes bot on IRC at. This can allow real-time patrolling of recent changes, and hopefully quick notice of vandalism.

One item I'll be requesting is an upgrade of the bot to link to the patrol difs, so edits may be marked as patrolled. - Amgine 03:26, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Anyway for stubs to be listed on Developing articles automatically?
Does anyone know if there is a way to get articles marked listed under Developing articles on Template:Editor tasks automatically? Dan100 00:18, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Probably not. But we could create a Category:Developing, and that may be includable? I will test this out. - Amgine 00:20, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea. I'll have a play... Dan100 10:26, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

OK, I changed the stub code so it added Category:Developing to any page it's in. Then I changed the text under 'Developing stories' on Template:Editor text to a link to the category page. That works quite well, apart from one problem: we can't see how long a page has been on it, so it could fill up/nor can we see what's 'urgent'. Hopefully, there will be a high 'turn-over' - as soon as an article is added, people will get to work on it and then remove the stub tag, de-listing it. Thoughts? Dan100 13:48, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * This solution is unsightly. I prefer the older method since it is easier to navigate. -- Davodd | Talk 23:33, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The problem with the old system is the time and effort required to list articles - I can't forsee everyone doing this. It also clashes with the stub system - as news stories are only 'live' for a matter of days, we don't need on-going tags like Wikipedia is. It probably be better if we instead dropped the stub system. Two systems is daft - people will be confused as to which one to use, when. Dan100 1230 at work!
 * The stub system is a relic of the old review process - which was summarily junked due to lack of consensus to support it. IMO, writers with the intent to create stubs (or mere links to outside news) -- and NOT write an original story should list that content in a daily Briefs article. As for the template - I think we should junk it. Wikinews is not Wikipedia - and that wikipediesque little template just doesn't fit in here. -- Davodd | Talk 21:15, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I kind of disagree that we should get rid of : it's a lot easier for an editor to mark an individual article than to list that article on a separate page. It's a lot easier for a writer or editor to notice that others consider an article a stub by seeing it marked so on the article page than to see it listed in a long list of "Developing stories" elsewhere.
 * I see the lists like Developing Stories to be an explicit request for help on an article, while marking an article with these tags lets us make sure nothing slips through the cracks.
 * The wording of undefined can easily be changed to emphasize that it's still a developing article, but I think the mechanism of marking things per-article rather than on a central list is very powerful. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:56, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The trouble with the stub tag is finding articles marked with it, and in time for improvements to be relevant. That's what I was trying to achieve with the stub tag putting the article into a specific category, but it just didn't work. Instead I think relying on other readers to simply jump in and expand articles that need it is enough. I'm not going to use stub anymore, and hopefully it will be quietly forgotten. Davodd is right, it just doesn't fit in here. Dan100 (Talk) 00:13, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A concept for News Briefs
I've built a template and set up for a daily news briefs. The system could be expanded to include monthly and yearly archives of news briefs. The template has a definable width, so you can modify it on the fly to fit inside other templates, includes an edit button and purging button, so it can clear the cache and get the latest addition to the news briefs.

The biggest drawback is that it is not able to be limited to a specific number of news briefs, which would require writing an extension (which I'm considering.) - Amgine 06:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Built the archives (2005 and January) as well, but they would need to be manually updated. (They could also be set up using a calendar tool, which I'll think about if there's a positive response here.) - Amgine 06:41, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New system for Latest news/Digests
As part of the evolving main page layout and archiving system, Latest news is no longer edited directly to post an article to the main page. Instead, each day of the year has an archive page listing the articles produced that day, and each is inserted into the Latest news template using the method.

Archives/Digests
The calendar archives are now built automatically as articles are added to the main page. Because each article is added to that day's page, no one has to go in and copy the links over to an archive page before removing them from the Latest news template. This also preserves the history of who added/removed the link to the main page, as the archives will receive fewer updates to obscure the history.

Using the sub page system, each day has a page, under each month, and under each year, in the format 2005/January/01. Under this system years will include easy links to the months, weeks, and/or days and might include summaries of news as well as links to special news projects. Month pages, likewise, might be set up to do summaries of the month's news highlights, but the current example is an automated listing of all the articles which have been written on a daily basis, with links down to each day's archive page.

 * I've just learned about a technical issue which may be causing delays in the caching of the main page. Changes to pages which are included in other pages does not automatically invalidate the other page's cache. This can be an issue for the archives which are used on the main page, because the template itself might not be updated when a new article is added to the archive page, leaving the change not visible for a few minutes.
 * This is (according to Brion) a bug which is being corrected in the next version (1.5), with a temporary work around for the Template namespace now. - Amgine 03:35, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Latest news
In applying the system to latest news, it was very clear this system would bring back Davodd's process for using transcluded pages to build the Editor's tasks box for the main page. The main problem previously was making it obvious how to use the system, while reducing the opportunities for people not familiar with the system to insert their links inappropriately.

Initially I added a button to the bottom of the current day to add an article. This has been moved, which may be a good idea, but it is the main question in the process. The button also needs to be updated to system variables to automatically generate the correct date, again to reduce the amount of maintenance which needs to be done.

- Amgine 16:50, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I kind of like this method. Can the single-digit dates be single-digit in the headlines too (i.e. 2005/January/1 )? This would let us more easily link to it via 29 . -- IlyaHaykinson 21:41, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So what exactly is needed to be done each day to maintain this system? The old one was pretty intuitive - you add new stories to the top of Latest news and take old ones off the bottom, putting them into the digest. Wasn't hard! Dan100 (Talk) 10:52, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Nothing needs to be done on a daily basis except to add the new date, and remove an old one; can be done in a single edit. On a weekly or monthly basis someone will need to initialize the next week or month's files with the commented instructions (html comments are not, unfortunately, templateable as far as I can tell.) - Amgine 08:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The date titles are in are in DD format because that's how 29 produces them. Section headers in the Template:Latest news are currently using single digits for the categories, but could be automated using 29 ? I don't know. - Amgine 08:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Responses

 * I invited members of the community to respond to these changes Dan100 (Talk)

The workspace
Hi Dan! First of all, I'm glad you like my articles about Romania! Secondly, concerning the workspace - personally I don't believe in the workspace all that much. When Wikinews was first launched, there was this idea of every article having to pass through rigorous community review, and therefore all these different "phases" were set up. That's drifted away now for some reason - people are writing articles that are of a good quality by themselves, and that, in my opinion, don't need to go through official peer review. Of course they should be reviewed and edited, but that doesn't prevent them from being listed on the Main page as full-fledged articles. In this case, I don't think there's any use for the workspace, except for articles in development. I think listing developing articles on the main page is a big mistake, because it not only creates edit conflicts but makes Wikinews look bad. In my opinion, I propose this:

 * Completed articles should go in Latest news on the Main Page, directly. But only after they've been written and are completed.
 * Articles which users do not have an intention to complete in one go should be listed at the Workspace, where other users and the original authors can continue to develop them. Once they are developed enough, they can then go on the Main Page.

Amgine's concern about others editing the developing articles is legitimate - I doubt people will go to the workspace to see and edit developing articles. Then again, most articles are written by one author to the point where they are complete enough listed on the Main Page. Then, most of them are only edited in minor ways by other users. Ronline 11:41, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Workspace
Hi Dan100,

 * I think it's ok to put unfinished articles on the front page under 'Developing stories'. I think others should only edit articles under latest news section where the articles there are "completed" in some sense.

 * Or, the one who create the new article could add some comments in their new articles, indicating it's yet incomplete, to tell others not to make any changes before the article is basically completed.

King Ho Cheung 13:05, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

In Responce to What You Talked To Me About...
You said "Hi, Cafzal! What's your opinion on how the Workspace should work? Amgine wants all stories to be listed at once on the front page, so other people start editing them. When we last tried that I found people were clicking red links and beginning to write articles I was already writing from scratch, just hadn't finished (so not saved) yet. This gave big edit conflicts. What's your opinion? Dan100 (Talk) 11:17, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)"

My responce: I, personally, like Amgine's idea better because then the news gets out faster, but you do make a very valid point, there should be some way for you to temporarily "lock" the article when editing/writing it. I have run into the same problem. To tell the truth, I haven't the slightest clue on how you can get around the situation with the current article writing prefrences in Wikinews. Sorry I can't be of much help. (Cafzal) 23 Jan 2005

More workspace stuff
Personaly i think that the whole freaking thing is too complicated (or maybe i just dont understand it, either way...). Espessialy because (as many people have pointed out), usually only one person is author (while maybe a few others will do proof reading and what not.) We should do away with the whole thing (for the moment anyway, maybe it will be more necessary when we are bigger), and use a little pic like wikibooks does to say how developed a certain article is. But thats just my AU$0.02. The bellman 22:42, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC) btw, i fixed up my wikinews user and talk page as you suggested.

My own response
Personally, I very much like the new nested template system, with each day being a single template, and then template:Latest news being built out of these templates. I didn't like the new articles area of the workspace being turned into another template, and reverted Amigne. After reading the responses above (except the bellman's, because he posted a bit later), I decided that I had over-reacted and reverted myself. I then re-designed the workspace to fully embrace these changes. Dan100 (Talk) 18:40, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for doing the research and talking to others. I'd also spoken with a few people, and there had been several discussion over the past few months which I read while archiving the water cooler(s) and the main page disussion page, which led to the system I installed. This was basically a re-implementation of Davodd's sheme, but reducing the opportunities for developing articles to be mis-placed and not get the attention they deserve; the concept had been well developed.
 * As for the concern about posting an article to the developing template only to have an edit conflict: it is just as easy to create the initial link on your personal page and begin the article there. Once the first draft/save is completed, the article can be added to the Developing stories template in the usual manner. This may save some stress, and a rush to hit the save button! - Amgine 22:07, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that edit conflicts from new links in the Workspace can be solved by signing the red-linked article headline to indicate that a particular person is writing it. So if I list:
 * Some story I am about to write IlyaHaykinson 03:34, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * folks coming across the page will know that I am working on it, and seeing the time/date won't touch it for a bit, hopefully. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:34, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think the simple "don't edit red links" warning is working. Certainly I haven't encountered any edit conflicts yet while writing stories, unlike the last time we tried creating new stories on a template. The signature idea is a good one, but it represents another step in an already quite long process of article creation (I'm thinking of new users here). Dan100 (Talk) 18:41, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * The red link warning is working well for me. vlsimpson 15:01, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tools for article authors
Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but editors may find the tools (or their own adapted versions of) on my user page useful. If you want to make use of them, click the edit tab and copy the code (not the resulting page text), to ensure the dynamic features work. Dan100 (Talk) 20:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I've give them their own page: Reporter's tools. Dan100 (Talk) 07:00, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New Main Page Layout
A new main page layout is up. It is not fixed, and will likely be updated and changed often. Please add suggestions/comments/complaints here, or on the Main Page discussion. - Amgine 01:37, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to make it a bit easier to track discussion, can I suggest that comments are only left on the main page's discussion page (linked to by Amgine)? Dan100 (Talk) 20:15, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


text:
Wikinews:Briefs/January 11, 2005

January 11, 2005

The following stories made international headlines Tuesday:

Ukraine may pull troops out of Iraq
One day after eight of its soldiers were killed in an Iraqi blast, Ukraine's new government may decide to withdraw all troops from peacekeeping duty in Iraq.
 * Sources: Reuters,Washington Post (free registration may be required)

Pope addresses diplomatic corps saying 'challenges of life' is the main issue
Pope John Paul II, speaking from the Vatican City, spoke out on a host of social issues including abortion, cloning, same-sex marriage, assisted procreation and the use of embryonic stem cells.
 * Source:Chicago Tribune

Italy smoking ban forces citizens to the streets
In less than 24 hours after a country-wide ban on indoor smoking went into place, citizens took to the streets demanding smoker’s rights be restored. Restaurant owners face fines of €2,000 and loss of their license; smokers face fines of €27.50 for each offense.
 * Sources:International Herald Tribune, New York Times

News Corp to re-buy Fox
In what is called a "reverse spinoff," Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. has offered about US$5.9 billion in stock to buy up all the Fox Entertainment Group shares that it doesn't already own.
 * Sources:News Corporation Press release, Reuters, Australian Broadcasting Corporation

title: Wikinews:Briefs/January 11, 2005


text:
Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/Archive

Archives for the Policy section of the Water Cooler.

The current archive is Archive 19.

 * Archive 1
 * Topics covered: Categories and topic pages, Use of IRC to set Wikinews policy, Subject categories, Local reporting--different policies?, Other languages?, Many policy polls still open - until Jan 20, Global and local views, Policies and guidelines, Should we follow WP until we have our own policies firmed up?, Editorial Workflow, Speedy Deletion Policy, Many policy polls still open - until Jan 20 (again), Copyright Issues, Source texts, "Wikinews: What Wikinews is" and "Wikinews:Neutral point of view"., Political naming conventions, Forming policy on IRC, Public Domain

 * Archive 2
 * Topics covered: What is policy, Date/Timezone etc, Editorials & Opinion Columns, Protecting old articles, Multiple stories on one topic or event, Amgine thinks my submission re; Afghan opium production skyrocketing under our watch is "opinion"., User:paulrevere2005/Afghanistan opium production keeps skyrocketing while the administration says "Drugs Fund Terrorists", Inconsistant Wikinews copyright policy, Removed crossword link from front page banner, Conspiracy theories on Wikinews

 * Archive 3
 * Topics covered: Reporter Credentials, Digression away from POLICY discussion, Is NPOV Being Mis-used as an Excuse to Neutralize and Censor News Facts Which "Big Brother"(western governments/businesses) Would Like to see Neutralized/Censored??, Wiki Links, Dates too, April fool poll?, Can't trust w: for pictures then the whole thing is in trouble!

 * Archive 4
 * Topics covered: Revised regions/bureaus organization scheme, Notes on Fair Use, Disclaimer should be added to top of page template, Copyright notice is completely wrong, Extension of previous wikilinks proposal, Mediation, Dealing with duplicate articles proposals needed, Thimk or Thwim, Policy question about non-English sources, Is it legal to include document from Wikipedia?, Libel, Hiding news based on NPOV, Number of day onWikinews:Deletion requests, Press Kit images, Retroactive categorising?, Move protection, creating / deleting dispute flag templates, Chinese Wikinews versus fear of censorship, Standard practice linking images to articles?, Good discussion here, but on the policy page?, Mediation Works; Dispute Settled:))

 * Archive 5
 * Topics covered: Entrenchment, Enthusiastic deletion, Undercover Journalism, Fair use images on Wikinews, Category:published, Front page headlines, Developing Stories (how long?), Press releases pretending to be news?, WikiNews Network, Audio Wikinews, Speedy Deletion Policy Addition, What is propaganda?, Licensing of articles, Banning AutisticPsycho, Wikinews:No original conclusions, CSD addition, Article flag templates, Linking to previous Wikinews stories, Amgine

 * Archive 6
 * Topics covered: Wikinews:Audio Wikinews. Again., Front page pictures, Non-commercial use images on Wikinews, Corrections, Big hairy tags on developing stories, Talk page comments, Inherent PoV at Audio Wikinews, Deletion of Proved-Wrong Articles?, Abuse of administrative deletion powers, Hotel1.jpg, Human rights vs. copyrights, Solution to the Audio Wikinews conflict, Policy needed for "Deletion Requests" Nonsense, Speedy delete addition - Cut & Paste copyvio

 * Archive 7
 * Topics covered: From one journalist, IRC override?, Credentials?, License, Allowable User Names, Undercover Government Agents on Wikinews?, Wikinews Daily Reach triples; Ravers?; Effect on policies?, Original author withdrawing "his" story?, Deleting requests for de-admin in the middle of the voting process, Please see the brand new anti-wiki(imo) rules for dealing with de-admin.Requests

 * Archive 8
 * Topics covered: Abolition of Wikinews:Three revert rule, Extention to the Wikinews:Three revert rule, Propose some external mediation, External Mediation, Another admin has reblocked Neutralizer for 6 months, Banning User:Neutralizer for 6 months, Lets give more credit to articles which are based on an article with compatible copyright to ours., Change in Accreditation Policy, Plot to Permanently Ban Me?, Discussion page useful for mentioning copy/code reversion reasons, editing out comments on the water cooler, Press Releases, Pseudo-events, and WikiNews's Publishing Policy, Delay and Obstruction of news stories which report the misdeeds of the U.S. government, Bringing concerns about admins' behavior to the water cooler, Tag it or move it back to develop?, Promoting development stories to published, Use of dateline template, Policy discussion: What should be acceptable as a "credible source" for Wikinews?, Wikinews Project Licensure Poll is open!, New linking policy, Image copyright question, changing publish date, New license for Wikinews, Administrators retaining administrative powers after resigning from Wikinews, Are administrators at risk of developing the God complex?

 * Archive 9
 * Topics covered: Let's move on, 'cos it's time to groove on..., Neutralizer's punishment, Apologies to the Community, Introducing Wikinews:Mediation, There is a mediation system in place, Arbitration Committee assuming blocking/unblocking authority, Community Discussion on Dealing with Neutralizer, Length of blocks, Unilateral block

 * Archive 10
 * Topics covered: Policy on detecting institutional bias, Policy changes should be addressed/resolved on the policy page (here) before edits being made?, Quarterly Policy Reviews?, Massive number of tag&dashs, Article Flags "Wizard of Ozish", Blocking threats on community pages, Policy re; Other alerts, Extension for Deletion guide, Where Wikinews is headed, NPOV article, International exposure, New section on WN:DR for copyvios, Under Wikinews policy, do Administrators have the Authority to Blank and Close the talk page of someone they are in ongoing dispute with?, Restrict voting of community polls to contributors only, Wikinews should allow older news

 * Archive 11
 * Topics covered: Arbitration Committee proposal and discussion, Requests for De-administratorship proposal and discussion, Policy proposal Re; Time limit for Administrators, changes in style guide, Policy needed re;Amgine's "Dragnet" Blocks, Adminship, Blocking policy page, Country names in articles

 * Archive 12
 * Topics covered: Invasive controlling of User's space, Arbitration Committee Elections 2006, Editing published stories, Foreign language sources, Modification to three revert rule blocking policy, 3RR Discussion comment, There is presently in WN:3RR zero policy basis for the concept of partial revert, Wikinews:Letters to the Editors, Snap-vote, 3RR policy discussion, Snap-vote, Proposal to amend WN:3RR, Proposal to amend WN:Administrators, For Objection Resolution Only, What use are policies which have been developed by the community if they are not followed?, General POV problem preventing publishing of articles with content not supporting U.S. government views and values, Article "discussion" page- define discussion, Why allow "Site Disruption" type accusations on article talk pages?, Userbox/babel templates, Interpretations of Blocking policy, Arbcom has no authority to be Addressing or Setting Wikinews Policy!

 * Archive 13
 * Topics covered: Pictures from Abu Ghraib, Do we have a "whistle blower's protection" policy?, Off-Site non-transparent decision making, Blocking "harrassment"?, Wikinews Censorship Aspect of Cowicide Blocks, Cowicide's Response, Ongoing block and talk page protection of User:Cowicide, nofollow tag == turnoff, Sourcing, On dealing with personal attacks, Ongoing loss of contributors, Discussion of anglo-american NPOV, Policy changes without discussion, Amgine's Userbox policy, and babel proposal, Username 67-21-48-122, Administrator criteria, Userbox proposal

 * Archive 14
 * Topics covered: Bringing matters to "Admin Alert" page, Admin Action page; not part of wikinews?, A deletion decree from Messedrocker, Wikinews:Archive conventions, Wikinews:Don't disrupt Wikinews to illustrate a point, Format, Sports game recaps and breaking sports news, Discussion about term "terrorism" and NPOV, Is ArbCom growing in responsibilities without any discussion or voting from community?, Policy change for ArbCom, Policy for Checkuser requests, Wikimedia Privacy Policy updated, Renaming of articles policy, Captcha help and login for watercooler edits, Ango-american-centric POV is dominating our Middle East coverage, Wikinews' NPOV policy and war coverage are mutually exclusive, Follow-up Articles, Revision to deletion policy, Wikinews events at Wikimania, Government sources are not NPOV, A proposed change for NPOV, Double-dated article, pls review, Content guide discussion, request for review, Oversight, Request for a review, Sources policy, Correcting published articles, Proposal, Date format.

 * Archive 15
 * Topics covered: Poll: Use of words "terrorist","terrorists" and " terrorism", Arbitration Committee and systemic bias., Californian photographers who'd like to go to the Oscars?, Israeli recognition POV, The Importance of Editorial Pieces in a Democratic Society, Just a thought about editorials, Mississauga, Ontario and Chavez, redirect from news namespace to portal namespace ?, Accredited photographer status?, License compatibility, IRC meeting about Israeli recognition POV, Amgine's use of this wiki, New Zealand, Amgine's deadmin, Steward Angela Beesley confirms Amgine deadmined, skill testing question to create an account is un-wiki, Ethics of interviews, Image use policy, Poll : A call to adopt iso 3166 country names as wikinews policy, Locking leading article so quick?, attribution text, People categories, The artical on the book: Speak violates the neutrality act, Filehawk, identity of child victim, Post-publication policies?, Simple Wikinews?, Headline Copyright?, Is rewriting an article a violation of copyright or plagiarism?, Protection policy, Deleting articles, How much OR is OR, Dispute resolution, Usage of Cc-by-nd

 * Archive 16
 * Topics covered: Usage of Cc-by-nd, Comments on current affairs, Us-centrism, lack of coverage, etc, press releases on Wikinews:Proposed deletion, (Poll:Vote for Proposed deletion as an official policy and Add Press Releases to Proposed Deletion) April fool's stuff, User photo's, Recommendation to Delete Downsizing Title Policy, Template:Press Release, have issued correction, discussion pages cannot be altered, Sources, oversight role,  logo images in headers on portals, Should sports stories appear on the main headline list?, Inactive accredited reporters, part II,    Accredited reporters - part 3,  How to propose a policy change, Comments section,  Still no reviews, Minimum length of articles and breaking news, CC-BY 3,   Archiving non-published articles,  public speeches and NPOV,  Fair use images,  Wikinews:Deleted article notice,   Credits on images,  more resolutions,  Sources,  deleting published articles,  rumours,  Abusive usage of WIKINEWS,  Re-writing news is OK.

 * Archive 17
 * Topics covered: One "Shorts" in day, rename?, Days, Wikinews has a real bad problem if if can't report news, Endorsements now open for Wikimedia Foundation Board, Wikinews OTRS queue, Warning against board candidate: Kate, Unused unfree images, No option for short, newsworthy posts?[ed:archive seems to be missing from here], Editing images ok?, Wikinews:Inactive Policy, NPOV topix.net world vs local and original reporting, abusive admins blocking and biting newbies, Our policy on Sockpuppets, wikimedias software policy, Listing sources cited in chronological order,[ed:to here] More on WN:IP, Is Wackynews NPOV?, Articles based on public domain (VOA) material - Part II, Reviews of Entertainment, Editorials, Book Reviews, and NPOV on Wikinews, Wikinews Editorials, 24 hour limit, The problem with WN:ARCHIVE, New class of users (editprotected), Internal links to userpages, please ban, Code of Ethics, Non-consensus deletion of images, OR (what constitutes), Style guide - "Notations" subsection at bottom of articles, Who can vote on deletion requests, Using the news paper here for stories, Policy regarding news story age, WN:SD page name, External Linking Policy, What Constitutes a Consensus?, credit in image captions

 * Archive 18
 * Topics covered: Professional researchers/journalists; Collaborative publishing model; Speedy Deletion, Noncommercial and You; GFDL Templates; WN:GRU; Upload methods; Ethics; Article numbers for categories; Verifying OR; Updating related news for archived stories; Why are edits reviewed by so-called established editors?; Sports articles, Enable "flood flag"?, What is our policy on interview formats?, Conflict of interest, Date of article and date of publication - should we adopt a UTC policy?, 2008 Prairie meteoroid, "Newsworthyness" in relation to interviews, Corrections on Main Page, "Review": is it time?, Automatic sighting, Removal of editor status, Compliance with Wikinews:Etiquette, The failure of wikinews, Reviewing and breaking news, Coverage section, Global Sysops Policy, Template:Wikipedia and Template:Wikipediapars, Incomplete copyright notice, OR and Broadcast report, Copyright violations and how to handle them, Non-English sources

 * Archive 19
 * Topics covered: How to preserve a scoop?; Proposed new global policy: m:Biographies of living people; A few thoughts about the accreditation process; Abysmal treatment of newcomers - Wikinews as an Orwellian state; Football category renamed without consensus; False articles; Promotion of Meekel to editor status per IRC?; Sources versus External links; Abbreviations and acronyms; Flagged revision

title: Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/Archive