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Sixteen Christian converts arrested in Iran; facing death penalty

July 30, 2008

Iranian officials have arrested 16 Iranians in Malakshahr, on the outskirts of the central Iranian city of Esfahān. The group, consisting of six women, eight men and two adolescents, are charged with conversion from Islam to Christianity. If found guilty of the allegation, they could face the death penalty. Evangelical churches in Isfahan have received orders not to allow any Muslims to attend their ceremonies or to facilitate in any conversions. However, a small private home which has been converted to an evangelical church was taking part in the conversion and baptism of three new members of the church; the group was taken into custody. The owners of the home were an elderly couple who, according to local reports, were beaten up before they were taken to an unmarked jailing facility.

Back in April, 10 Christians were arrested in the city of Shiraz as well.

According to Islamic tradition, the act of abandoning the Muslim faith, denominated as the crime of "Ertedad", is in violation of the words of the Prophet and should be punished with death. A bill is currently before the Iranian parliament that, if approved, would mean the death penalty for the group.


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Personal opinion: Considering the heightened levels of censorship in Iran, there's really nothing else about this story that the media would know. If there's more to the story, it could be added after it were published. 77.127.253.51 21:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me 15 minutes more of looking and then i will publish. The Mind's Eye (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


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Abandon all hope
"Abandon your faith and we will kill you"
 * Thus speaks the voice of tolerance and wisdom. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 * If I'm not mistaken, chess was invented in Persia so I wouldn't knock them down on intelligence too quickly. Anyways, they are trying some extremely dangerous maneuvers these days. 77.127.253.51 00:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not knock them on intelligence, but on wisdom. There is no wisdom to this course of action, and no intelligent consideration of the repercussions of this action. As the youngest of the global religions it is easy to conclude that Islam is still going through the pains that Christianity inflicted on itself and its followers when heretics were burned at the stake. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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The middle east needs to get over themselves. -- Poe Joe (Talk) 01:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Islam the religion of peace. --72.144.37.237 02:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the religion of pieces?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.153.165 (talk) 20:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

To put this as politically correct as possible, what the Iranian government is doing is F***ed up. I don't care if the government is a Theocracy, this is clearly a human rights violation. If they want the law to be that only one religion is aloud, fine, but if there are people violating that law, they should not sentence these people to death, but why not deport or exile these people out of their country. At least where ever else they go, they will not be killed for their beliefs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.114.137 (talk) 06:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The law is not that within the country only one religion is allowed. It is the zealous application of a tenet written into the Koran that those who abandon the faith should be put to death. This is a medieval mindset which should have no place in a modern society; freedom of religion is a basic human right, that should encompass the right to convert from one religion to another. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * i am not aware of any quranic text that supports this practice. i can in fact, find several to contradict it.  anyone have any idea what specific text is being used in support of this practice? - Imind (talk) 22:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * No idea, but I doubt it's hard to find if you know the book at all. Even Cat Stevens was convinced of it from his early reading after he converted.  His retort was always that Christianity has the same rule as well (but ignores it).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.153.165 (talk) 00:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

 * i know the book well enough to know it doesn't exist. again, the opposite does.  its pretty clear. - Imind (talk) 19:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

National Posturing B.S.
That's all I see this as. With the lives of real people caught between all of it. The only reason this made it to the international news is because they made sure it did(parliment ruling?!?!wtf!).

In a very satirical sense, they're like the little schoolyard prick who's trying to get the bigger kids angry so they can get into a fight by annoyingly poking at them.

It's sad to say this to an entire country, but grow the F*#K up. Realize that these provocations have very serious consequences for everyone if they succeed.

Killing these people only shows that the stewards of this faith are in fear of losing their people to those who believe otherwise. That in itself is a sign of weakness. Just toss the stupid bastards out of the country...

oh wait, the laws there don't allow for people to leave the country, now do they?

So they can't choose what they believe unless they're out of the country but because won't let them out they either adopt a belief that is not they're own and die inside or you martyr yourself because you're not allowed to go where they let you believe and practice what you believe. Sucks to be them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.159.34 (talk) 14:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that this group should be let go. If they want to convert to Christianity, why shouldn't they? I hope the government releases them soon. 98.207.66.234 17:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Why?
What are those muslims afraid of? They want everyone to be like robots, to be slave to a certain religion? Well, God didn't creat us to be like that and no man under the sun can change that!

Christianity is about love and forgiveness, about acceptance and wisdom. Where is your love muslims? Where is your acceptance, your wisdom? Why do you hate people that are different from you? Is this what your god is teaching you? It looks like, unfortunately!

May the God almighty, the Alpha and Omega, may He touch every muslim woman and man on this earth so they can see His Love, and accept His forgiveness. To God be all the glory! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.136.167.105 (talk • contribs)


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User talk:68.111.151.68

Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
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 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:Milk's Favorite Cookie

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cirt (talk) 02:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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Wikinews talk:Accreditation requests/Archive 1

Should be handled by national chapters
This is just silly. Wikinews is not an organization in any legal sense and thus can't grant accreditation or anything else for that matter. Accreditation needs to be handled by real organizations like national Wikimedia chapters; they will be more familiar with their nation's laws and practices concerning this type of thing. --Maveric149 04:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It depends on your definition of accreditation, I suppose. I think, as a community, we can recognize those wikinews editors who the community feels are capable of representing us as citizen journalists. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The only one that matters; the definition that let's people have real passes that work. Part of the process we use can and should involve community help in vetting requestees. --Maveric149 04:53, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * The intention is that an accredited citizen journalist will more easily obtain a press pass or event credentials (the "real pass that works" that you refer to, I think) from a municipality/organization. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Organizations either recognize us or don't. National Chapters cannot change who recognizes us. Ex: No one will ever be granted a congressional press pass because in order to get one, a journalist's income must primarily come from their news organization and WN doesn't pay anyone. But Apple already gave NGerda free front row tickets to the WWD Conference and he recieved full press treatment (questions, catering, etc) -- Ross Koepke Talk 04:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Having the weight of an actual organization vouching for the authenticity of the press passes will be *much* better than saying the pass is supported by a group of people on the Internet.
 * Nobody here has the right to use the Wikinews or Wikimedia trademarks in a way that would suggest any official status to the passes. Thus those names and logos can not be used on the passes without either Foundation or a local chapter approval and oversight.
 * The most logical thing to do is for national chapters to manage this and for the Foundation to set up a framework for doing so, which would include giving local chapters the permission to use Wikimedia/Wikinews trademarks in this way. --Maveric149 12:36, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Just a note, not all countries with Wikinewsies have local chapters. That would prevent even more great contributions from Wikinews. --  user:zanimum

Archive?
Doesn't this page merit an archive?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Although there should be one created. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  21:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I, too, think an archive should be created. However, I do think it is merited. --SVTCobra 01:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Does wikinews have an archive bot like the bots at w:User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo? --Jeremyb 10:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, but one of those wouldnt work for this page. It needs to be manually archived upon closing, if we want to archive it. Matt | userpage|contribs 20:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I shall set one up. The index should be Accreditation requests/Archives and the first archive... Accreditation requests/Archive 1. Auroranorth 03:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed from scoop
Sorry, not going to look up corresponding usernames - but the following people have now been removed from the scoop distribution list:
 * wolfgang.g.wettach
 * gregory.maxwell
 * nicholas.moreau
 * frankie.roberto
 * kat.walsh
 * joshua.ainslie
 * gary.kirk
 * robert.lehrer

--Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, this was done because their mailboxes were full and thus causing bounces when anyone emailed scoop. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Also removed due to full mailboxes: --Brian McNeil / talk 07:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * eddie.ortiz
 * sandy.ordonez

Missing out on Wikinewsie emails
I've been remiss (but now in remission) on email addresses. Anyone missing one - contact me on my talk. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

About the coordinates
Do you have to give your exact coordnates, or can you give a rough coordinate so people know roughly where you are, but can't actually go to your house?--216.118.68.193 02:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You mailing address will not be published, if that is what your concern is. --SVTCobra 02:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Other Languages
How can i get for Accreditation request for other languages 19:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.128.42 (talk)

Grand Wikinewsie Email Cleanup
The above-listed people's email addresses will be deleted; as will those that just bounced for me:

 * Mike Halterman
 * Joseph Ford
 * Steve Callaway

Then Iĺl start going through the emails I just received. -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talk • main talk' 21:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * :-O! --Diego Grez return fire 22:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You should already have changed your password too! -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talk • main talk' 22:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 * How do I get on the wikinews scoop list? How do I contact a scoop editor?  I have a copyright scoop for wikinews.  It is hot now, not much later.  Send me email  or . I am in Sweden

Restoration of Accreditation
Could you please restore my Wikinews accreditation? The IPC requires that you be affiliated with an organisation. It is not possible to raise a new request, because the mechanism does not allow this, so I am posting my request here. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * It would require a reapplication. As I remarked where you first asked about this, the concerns haven't changed.  And as I also mentioned there, I don't think en.wn accreditation would help you with the IPC... if you could get it.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * And I've remarked that reapplication is not possible. You get an error, presumably because a successful entry already exists. Try it yourself. And the rules explicitly permit speedy reaccreditation. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * You'd have to do it manually, I imagine. --Pi zero (talk) 20:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I think the admin tools would be required. The accepted procedure is speedy reaccreditation. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not familiar with that procedure (speedy reaccreditation). Example?  The only similar thing I recall is fast-track restoration of privs under WN:PeP, and that falls back into the full process if anyone wants it to; in this case, I believe there's more than one person around who would want a full process.

 * I don't see why there'd be any need for admin tools since afaik we're just talking about creating a page and editing another, unprotected page.

 * No, it has to have the same name as the old one. So start by renaming the old page. But without the tools, this always leaves a redirect behind, which then prevents a new page from being created. Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

 * It's (now) my understanding that what the IPC wants depends on the event; what IPC event are you concerned about? --Pi zero (talk) 20:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * The IPC link above is to the Institute for Printed Circuits. Orderinchaos (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

 * . --Pi zero (talk) 02:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The sub-page is renamed (moved without leaving a redirect). --Brian McNeil / talk 10:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Accreditation for Wikimedia contributors
flag At Accreditation requests/Dennis Bratland I asked for clarification on who can be accredited. This policy seems to suggest that accreditation is for Wikimedia community members, but some people seem to be saying that accreditation is for people who intend to contribute to the English Wikinews platform (this site). To what extent is there ambiguity here?

Accreditation is a valuable resource which costs little to provide but can give great benefits. There should be some controls on giving it out, and right now so far as I know, English Wikinews has the most developed system for managing the issuance of press accreditation. Does English Wikinews want to be the project for managing press accreditation for English Wikinews, or for the Wikimedia movement? Right now I think either option is open, and I would like clarity about what the members here want.

If English Wikinews does not want to manage press accreditation more broadly than this project, then everything here should be copied to Meta-wiki or Commons to serve everyone else in the Wikimedia movement and issue broader passes, right?

Here is an example of how press accreditation can be useful outside the context of news reporting. Arguably contributions to Wikimedia Commons are of comparable impact to news reporting, and an equally valid reason for seeking press passes.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   13:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

 * I think my words are being misrepresented. I hope this is because they've been misconstrued.
 * I'm trying now to compose a remark at the accreditation request, regarding the issues as they bear on that particular request. For the general issue, I believe the policy water cooler, where Bluerasberry has also raised the issue, is the place to discuss it. --Pi zero (talk) 14:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. It posted also at Water_cooler/policy and directed people to come here. Any comment anywhere is fine with me.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   14:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Error when applying for credentials
I'm trying to apply for credentials but it says "error - go back and try again." I tried several times with the same result. How can I apply? Bubba73 (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Is that the "request accreditation" button that is giving you that message? --Pi zero (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is right. Bubba73 (talk) 21:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * It seems to work for me, although I haven't yet taken it as far as actually saving. Was this using the desktop view, or mobile view?  Did it immediately give this error on clicking the button, or did it offer an edit panel and then produce the error when you tried to save, or some other variant behavior?  --Pi zero (talk) 22:38, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 * The problem was caused by not putting in my user name. Bubba73 (talk) 05:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


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Introduction
Virgílio A. P. Machado, Ph.D. (1978), University of Florida, USA, is Associate Professor of Industrial Engineering at the School of Sciences and Engineering (Faculdade de Ciências e Tecnologia) of the New University of Lisbon (Universidade Nova de Lisboa - UNL), University of Portugal.

He has been teaching Industrial Engineering, in Portugal, since 1979, and is currently involved in computer aided production planning and design.

He has completed several Industrial Engineering projects for public agencies and private enterprises. He is a member of national and international professional associations, namely the Portuguese Institute of Industrial Engineering (Instituto Português de Engenharia Industrial - IPEI), of which he is a founding member, senior member of the Institute of Industrial Engineers (IIE) and Faculty Advisor of the IIE UNL Chapter, and Alpha Pi Mu, the industrial engineering honor society.

He has been granted several scholarships from the University of Lourenzo Marques (Universidade de Lourenço Marques), where he completed his undergraduate degree, from the Fulbright Commission, the Institute of Higher Culture (Instituto de Alta Cultura), the National Institute for Scientific Research (Instituto Nacional de Investigação Científica), the Secretary of State for Higher Education (Secretaria de Estado do Ensino Superior), the United States Agency for International Development, ERASMUS and TEMPUS programs of the European Union Commission, Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation, Luso-American Foundation, and the New University of Lisbon.

Personal
Virgilio A. P. Machado Apartado 313 2826-801 Caparica Portugal 351-96-472-6890

IM
WLMessenger, Skype, VoipBuster, GTalk and others: vapmachado

Interests

 * 1) Industrial engineering
 * 2) Logistics
 * 3) * Industrial location
 * 4) * Warehouse layout
 * 5) * Warehouse management
 * 6) * Material handling
 * 7) * Distribution systems
 * 8) Engineering economy

Likes

 * ethical and well mannered people;
 * to see animals roam free;
 * the beauty nature offers;
 * man made beauty and good deeds;
 * to learn;
 * to write; and
 * dance;

 * but it's his children whom he loves the most.

Dislikes

 * unethical people or with no manners;
 * to see animals in captivity;
 * human sufering from natural causes;
 * the suffering a human being is capable of inflicting on others;
 * the degradation humans are capable of causing to nature; and
 * decaying and unkept things;

 * but he doesn't hate anyone. It's like they didn't exist.

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Comments:United States confirms first military death sentence since 1957

It is hard to believe that a country such as the united states can allow such barbaric proceedings anymore. Killing a man cannot undo the damage he caused so it is a waste of a person who could be put to work doing something useful. —GuitarMan666 (talk) 06:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah you say that until your mother/sister or even child gets raped and killed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.12.186 (talk) 07:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your argument goes straight to the point... Justice is not about revenge. The USA like China, Iran, Pakistan, etc., has a justice system based on revenge. "An eye for an eye"...
 * That is not justice... It's just revenge. Noone and nothing has the right to take the life of a being without his/her consent. There will always be criminals everywhere... The question is, will society continue to go down to their level because of its lust for revenge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.246.193 (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * America has its legal system and brand of justice distinct among all others -- what it as a nation decides is correct is correct if only for that nation. The Death Penalty is one aspect that has been upheld much like gun ownership that come to represent far more than the law itself, and vilified by our allies. IT IS AMERICAN LAW. PERIOD. I myself an American against the Death Penalty but do not find it use that reprehensible; uch like Virginia state Tim Kaine, who personally dislikes the death sentence, yet has allowed 8 to be carried out without his veto. Why? Because upon review of the crime, court case, and sentencing, he has found “no reason” to disagree with the proceedings and turn over what the courts have decided. In short, he agrees with the Rule of Law and Separation of Powers within the commonwealth even though he is the Executive Power and highest citizen. Our allies should think about that and the Rule of Law in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.166.44.2 (talk) 14:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No matter how you believe U.S. allies should consider the availability of a death penalty as an option, you cannot dismiss their concerns and condemnation. It is a barbaric practice which cannot be undone in the event of a miscarriage of justice.
 * Personally, I can see no reason for any state to reserve the power to kill an individual for any crime. The numbers of murders within the U.S is evidence enough that it is no effective deterrent, so what soundly based argument can be put for having such an option on the statute books? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

hang 'em
They should hang em-make an example of them.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.232.65.7 (talk) 21:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:HandGrenadePins~enwikinews

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Chinese Wikipedia unblocked across China

July 31, 2008 Wikinews has confirmed that the unblocking of the in China has probably been extended to cover the whole of China. Ting Chen, who is currently the community elected board member of the Wikimedia Foundation, said at 09:54 (UTC) today on Wikimedia’s foundation-l mailing list that he has “reports from provinces and cities from very different corners of the country, that the users have direct access.” Wikinews previously reported that the Chinese Wikipedia was unblocked in China, although that unblock did not cover the whole of the country. Wikipedia user Aphaia has also said that Wikipedia can even be accessed in remote districts such as. She said that “Fujian is rather near to Taiwan so this lifting would be nationwide, I suppose.” Using a Website Testing tool, Wikinews has also confirmed access in Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong. However, access to controversial pages such as the article on the  was found to remain restricted.

Despite the fact that the ban has been lifted, the Chinese Wikipedia continues to tell readers a way to get around the firewall. At the top of every page there is a message telling users (who are not logged in) to view Wikipedia using the https server to bypass the block.

Some Wikipedia contributors have said that the block may reappear after the Olympic games have finished. Titan Deng, an active Wikimedia who organized said that “the lift of the ban is brought by the Olympic Game[s] which is going to be held next week.” He then said that “the lift[ing of the block] might end after the Olympic Game[s] finishes.”

The warned China in April that it wanted the internet freely accessible for the entire duration of the. Unrestricted access is guaranteed to the 30,000 reporters and media staff expected for the Olympics under "host city contract".


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British hacker may face Guantanamo, 60-year sentence

July 31, 2008

Beleaguered British computer hacker Gary McKinnon has vowed to fight U.S. extradition proceedings through the European Court of Human Rights. This follows on from yesterday's rejection of an appeal to the U.K's Law Lords.

American prosecutors who have pursued the case against McKinnon are offering a stark choice for the ex-systems analyst who allegedly broke into 97 US military and NASA computer systems. Some reports describe his UFO-related hacking efforts as, "the biggest military hack in history"; his lawyers have used alarmist language to describe the attitude of American prosecutors pursing him on six indictments, "American officials involved in this case have stated that they want to see him 'fry'. The consequences he faces if extradited are both disproportionate and intolerable." The plea-bargain offer on the table would see McKinnon face four years in jail if he accepts two of the charges. Estimates on how long a sentence he may face if he refuses this and is successfully prosecuted on all six charges go as high as 70 years. For the 1966 Glasgow-born man this is an effective life sentence.

With terrorism being bandied about as a motivation, and allegations that McKinnon deleted files and disrupted the operation of systems he is alleged to have broken into, an additional concern from his lawyers is that under such circumstances he could be detained at the Guantanamo Bay facility. McKinnon describes himself as a "bumbling hacker" who believed he was working in the public interest to expose a U.S. coverup of files and other information on UFOs.


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Concerns with this template
I mentioned on irc, but to repeat for general wiki audiance.

Here's what this extension does:
 * If last edit was less then 24 hours ago, displays please review box (well it should, there's a minor bug in the time handling code, thats a minor issue)
 * Otherwise, put Publish on it.

Here's a scenario where this is a problem: Bawolff ☺☻ 00:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * User puts this template on it.
 * After 24 hours, it becomes published (all is good)
 * Someone notices a typo. edits
 * Last edit is no longer 24 hours ago. Depublished, and removed from main page/other lists
 * After 24 hours, it is then republished. Now appears at top of all DPL based list, and twitter notifications might be resent out (well varries depending on what timeframe this happens in).

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2008 TICA highlights open source applications at Linux Forum & Expo

July 31, 2008

Leading up to the 2008 Taipei Computer Applications Show (TICA), the 8th-annual Linux Forum, accompanied with Linux Expo Pavilion, started yesterday July 30 at Taipei World Trade Center Conference Roon 3 & 4 to promote the open source applications in Taiwan.

With popularity of OLPC and Eee PC, mobile applications, low-price PCs, embedded systems, and enterprise applications are enrolled into the Linux Forum by forum organizer, Industrial Development Bureau of Ministry of Economic Affairs of the Republic of China.

Since Linux-related solutions were promoted at Softex Taipei 2008 by Taipei Computer Association, as well as the organizer of TICA and Softex shows, executives from industrial, academical, and governmental people mostly cautioned the importance of Linux, which had also become another choice to be built inside a computer after OLPC and Eee PC.

As several required functions from business software are built in some open source software, software and platforms complied with open source had become the second choice for consumers. UPP, an open source platform built by United Daily News Digital Corporation, is a typical example on open source application integrated to a USB flash drive.

Apart from basic applications, some companies also demonstrated some examples of deploying and programming on a Linux-based platform. In addition, some experts recommended enterprises to consider user needs before introducing Linux as the desktop platform in the enterprise.

After the Linux Forum, the Linux Expo will also showcase solutions of open source at TICA.


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I visited Linux Expo lately, but based on their materials, the open source applications seemed to be another future star in Taiwan as well. Brock contact... 13:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Original Reporting Notes
The above is wholly inadequate original reporting notes and does not take into account the discussion that has led to the change to a review stage being required. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Should any "FLOSS" expert help to improve it? Because I can only write it in this situation at all. In addition, English sources from 3rd-party news organization shouldn't be added because only I involved in this event. Brock contact... 14:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are English language sources which assist in corroborating the story there is nothing wrong with listing them here on the talk. They would aid in a review of the article. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No English-language sources available, but in Chinese, there have some partial sources, I added them. Check up immediately if sources conflicted the whole article, I will go to the Expo to find more information. Brock contact... 04:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Postponent...
This should be merged for a theme-pavilion article because Linux topic is too narrow, if wide-spread for Robot, Gaming, and Technology, it will be a best idea for solution.


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Israeli PM Olmert to step down in September

July 31, 2008 Ehud Olmert, the current Prime Minister of Israel, has said that he will resign from his position as leader after his party's leadership contest in September. This announcement comes after it was revealed that Olmert is facing involvement in a corruption investigation in Israel.

"I was forced to defend myself against relentless attacks from self-appointed fighters for justice who sought to depose me from my position, when the ends sanctified all the means,"said Olmert, during the speech in which he announced his resignation. Despite the fact that Olmert's term in office was originally set to end in 2010, he has announced that he will quit on September 17.

Gordon Johndroe, White House spokesperson, commented on the resignation. "He [ George W. Bush ] wishes him well and will continue to work closely with him [Olmert] while he remains prime minister," he said. He continued by saying that Olmert and Bush "have been exceptionally close and cooperative."

Riyad al-Maliki, the Palestinian foreign minister, also reacted to the resignation. "It's true that Olmert was enthusiastic about the peace process and he spoke about this process with great attention, but it has not achieved any progress or breakthrough,"he said. His comments were in reference to Olmert's recent efforts to advance the negotiations on achieving peace in the Middle East.

A spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said that Olmert's resignation is a "internal affair," and that "the Palestinian Authority deals with the prime minister of Israel, regardless if he is Olmert or somebody else."

Olmert has stated that he would work towards peace "as long as I am in my position." "I continue to believe wholeheartedly that reaching peace, ending terrorism, strengthening security and establishing a different relationship with our neighbors are the most vital goals for the future of the state of Israel," Olmert said. However, Olmert's political weakness and the turmoil his resignation has caused may undo any progress in the Palestinian and Syrian peace talks, as well as slowing in other future discussions.


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Talk:British hacker may face Guantanamo, 60-year sentence

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 * 1) Agrees with our content guide and is newsworthy. [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Clearly newsworthy,  as illustrated by the number of sources
 * 2) Article and images used in it are not copyright infringements. - [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]]- I have removed the image that was a copyright infringment
 * 3) Is fully sourced, (using multiple independent sources is strongly encouraged) or follows Original reporting guidelines (reporting notes are posted to article talk page or e-mailed to other Wikinews contributors to allow some fact-checking and verification of the article contents). -  [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Fully cited and facts are contained within the article
 * 4) Is written in a neutral and unbiased manner, with no editorial commentary/advocacy or unsourced opinion.-  [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Everyting stated in this article is entirely factual
 * 5) Complies with our style guide (on dateline, grammar and spelling, "inverted pyramid" structure, tone, wikilinks, categories, headline... etc.)-  [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Uses the correct date template, spelling is correct, the first paragraph says who, what,  where, when and how,  has wikilinks, categories, follows headline guidelines

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 * when i click on the link for the opinions on this article, i am brought to a page that suggests no opinions have been added, yet i know that i have commented (a couple of times already) on this article. when i go to "my contributions" and click the link for my comments on that article, i am taken to the page where my comments, and others, have been recorded. (???)  both URL's are the same (?!?!?!)

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Comments:British_hacker_may_face_Guantanamo%2C_60-year_sentence http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Comments:British_hacker_may_face_Guantanamo%2C_60_year_sentence

can someone else try this, for no other reason to confirm that i am not insane? - Imind (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * actually they are not the same. there is an underscore between "60" and "year" on one and a dash on the other.  would fix if i knew how... - Imind (talk) 19:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * At a guess I'd say this is a bug in some of the Javascript hacks to keep the Comments section working. A proper Comments extension is being developed which should hopefully not have these issues. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ah, i see. thank you for fixing it :)  - Imind (talk) 20:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Image
When I initially created this, there was an image. It was being taken from Commons, where it ended up deleted. The same image is still available on Wikipedia.
 * Is the image okay on Wikipedia, or are they just being slow in zapping a copyvio?
 * Is the image from a source where we can claim FU and also upload locally?

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Southern Minnesota plane crash kills eight

July 31, 2008 At least eight people have been killed in a plane crash near the southern Minnesota town of Owatonna, the Associated Press and local media reported Thursday morning.

One person, who had been listed in critical condition as of 11:40 a.m. in the Owatonna hospital has died from injuries sustained in the accident, the Associated Press reported just before 3:00 p.m. that afternoon. At least one person is unaccounted for while investigator determine whether the person boarded the plane in New Jersey, according to the Steele County Sheriff's Office.

Star Tribune reported that charter flight 81, a Raytheon BAE 125-800A commercial jet, had not landed properly on the 5,500 foot runway at Owatonna Degner Regional Airport just after 9:30 a.m local time en route from Atlantic City, New Jersey. The plane either tried to take off or could not stop in time.

The plane was owned by East Coast Jets Inc. of Allentown, Pennsylvania. Aviation Research Group told the Star Tribune that East Coast Jets operates 11 aircraft — Hawker and Lear jets — and employs 21 pilots.

"They have a good safety history," ARG President Joe Moeggenberg told the Star Tribune, based on federal data. "There were no recent incidents."

This model of aircraft "has a very good safety record; been around along time," said Gary Robb, aviation expert and attorney with a Kansas City law firm that represents aviation crash victims.

Gary Robb, an aviation expert and attorney told the Star Tribune that the aircraft "has a very good safety record [and has] been around along time."

According to the Star Tribune, the pilots have been identified as Clark Keefer of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and Dan D'Ambrosio of Hellertown, Pennsylvania. Pilot error has not been identified as a cause for the crash, but investigators caution it is to early for any conclusions to be made.

Graphics released by the Star Tribune show that the plane ended up past the runway it was attempting to land on. The Associated Press reports that debris was scattered 500 feet beyond the runway.

The bodies have been taken to Rochester for examination, while the plane's data recorders have been flown to Washington, DC.

Both WCCO-TV and the Star Tribune report that the time of the crash coincided with a line of storms moving through the area, though what effect, if any the storm had, is under investigation. Witnesses told the Star Tribune that the worst of the storm had gone at the time of the crash and only light wind and rain remained. The Associated Press confirms from the National Weather Service that "the storms were subsiding at the time of the crash."

Owatonna resident John Billingsly, a retired pilot who worked at the airport for many years, told the Star Tribune, "I saw the plane making its final approach, and it appeared nothing was wrong. We'd just had a lot of wind, but it had calmed down a bit and mostly subsided by that time."

The plane, a charter for Viracon, Inc. of Owatonna, was flying customers from "a couple of different companies" to discuss a $2 billion dollar casino and hotel project in Las Vegas, Nevada that Revel Entertainment is building. Atlantic City Mayor Scott Evans told the Associated Press that two high-level employees for Revel and an employee of Tishman Construction. Viracon is an architectural glass fabricator and Tishman is assisting Revel.

As of 5:00 a.m Friday, five of the victims, including the two pilots, have been identified by the Associated press.

APG International, a company specializing in glass facades, lost two executives: Marc Rosenberg, the chief operating officer, and Alan Barnett, an assistant project manager, according to the Glassboro, N.J. company's spokeswoman Amelia Townsend.

The Tishman empoyee, the only victim identified, was project manager Karen Sandland, 44, based in Newark, New Jersey company spokesman Bud Perrone told the Associated Press.

The Revel employee's idenities were released by the Star Tribune Friday, they are: Tony Craig, 50, of Brigantine, N.J., vice president of construction development; Chris Daul, 44, of Northfield, N.J., vice president of construction development; and Lawrence (Chip) Merrigan, 62, of Absecon N.J., director of field operations.

The crash is the deadliest in Minnesota since October 2002, when Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone and seven others died after their chartered twin-engine plane crashed in the woods near Eveleth, in Northern Minnesota, according to the Star Tribune.

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), an independent agency responsible for investigation of accidents involving aviation, highway, marine, pipelines and railroads in the United States (except aircraft of the armed forces and the intelligence agencies), will be investigating the crash.

The NTSB reported Friday through the Star Tribute that the agency has 14 investigators working on the crash, with assistance from the FBI.

The NTSB reports two other fatal accidents since 1962 at Owatonna airport. A crash in 1992 killed one and injured another and a crash in 2004 killed four people.


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Comments:British hacker may face Guantanamo, 60-year sentence

Hurray for "democracy"...

 * i'm an american, and want justice served for what this man has done, including the potential damage he has caused both myself and my fellow citizens. having said that, i hope to god our justice system does not get his hands on him, as i have no faith at this time that his rights as a human will be respected. - Imind (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was born in the US, and I happen to live there still, so I guess that makes me an American. I agree with the principal of your statement Imind, that people who have caused harm for our citizens should be prosecuted, but in this case, the hacker is not to blame. It is almost guaranteed that it is in fact the US government who is hiding information from its own citizens. This is unacceptable to me, on a personal level. The idea that a government is allowed to hide stuff from its own people is absolutely disgusting. The hacker was doing the world a service. Rekov (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * do you have any evidence to substantiate this? - Imind (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * HAHA OH WOW, more proof that some people are just plain idiotic and will eat all the bullshit the government says and then some.. 124.188.171.7 08:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

What?
This hacker did nothing wrong. Consider this:
 * The government is supposed to be owned by the people
 * The people, therefore, have a right to see the information
 * The hacker aimed to allow the people to see the information

Also, what justification do they have to send this person to Guantanamo? Is he now a terrorist. If anything, he should begiven some form of award. Anonymous101talk 19:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * So breaking into Government computers and trying to sell the information to the biggest bidder is not iligal? Thanks Anonymous101 for clearing that up. So i can crack all the myspaces out their? Dumbass. I think he should not go to Gitmo. But he should still go to jail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.12.186 (talk) 20:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Illegal differs from unethical. In New Hampshire, (I think) it is illegal to hold a puppet show in public without a license. Oliver Cromwell made a law banning people from eating mince pies on Christmas Day (and that law has never been repealed). I am not suggesting you engage in illegal activities, I am just saying that this particular man does not deserve to be published. Anonymous101talk 20:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I disagree. I think he deserves to be punished, but I also think that the punishments being brandied around are way out of proportion for the crime committed. It is a simple break and enter with intent to steal (and destroy property if he actually did irretrievably delete files); whether a break and enter occurs on personal property or public property should make no difference, and neither should the fact that it was a computerized break&enter instead of a physical one. 70 years in prison is a lot for such a paltry crime, especially when no one was in any danger. Even 4 years makes me go 0_o. Gopher65talk 22:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Look, the US government was hiding information from its people. In my view this is one of the greatest crimes a government can commit. It is not up to the government to decide what its people can and cannot know. I do not know if he intended to sell the information, or just leak it, and the fact that some files were deleted is also unfortunate. If there was a crime, it was the deletion of information. Releasing information that the government was hiding from its people deserves a medal. The government is not for the people of the people, because it was created by people 200 years ago who's morals are nonexistent by today's standards (i.e. slavery, death penalty, gender discrimination ect.), and is currently controlled by corporations who would like nothing more than to use every person as a slave in their profit engines. Rekov (talk) 00:29, 1 August 2008(UTC)

 * rekov, perhaps you did not see that i had asked before if you had any evidence of what you speak. is there a link or something you can point me to?  thanks.  - Imind (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The whole point of my argument is that information is being hidden. I propose that I will give some examples where concealed information can be considered general knowledge, and if this is not acceptable I will attempt to find some concrete evidence. It is common practice for the government to keep military information secret. The example I find most blatantly offensive is that the government is disallowing pictures of dead troops in the Iraq war. Another example: I was investigated by the FBI during that whole Anonymous vs. Scientology because I know that putting baking soda and vinegar together creates an explosive reaction, and I posted a video of it online. Now they wont tell me what information they have on me. I am not allowed to read my own damn file that the FBI has on me. Rekov (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Justice
How can a Hacker get 60 years, and murderer gets 20 years, and a rapist gets 2 years,and so on. It doesn't make sense. If a hacker doesn't kill/rape, or otherwise hurt a human or an animal, then he shouldn't be punished. If I were NASA I would have congratulated the guy for finding holes in the system, and attempted to convince him that all this UFO conspiracy theories are nonsense.

Computers, cell phones, the internet, cars, and even money are toys we humans have invented, so why in the world do we punish people for these?!

Without hackers we would have no internet, no linux, no bsd, no e-mail, etc.

Look up the hacker ethic, and read books like Hackers Heroes of The Computer Revolution, or 2600 Magazine, you will that hackers are not evil people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.57.113 (talk) 22:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, it is hackers who care about your privacy, that is why they give you GPG and Tor, and EFF, because they care about privacy. If a corporation would care about your privacy they wouldn't collect information about you. I know I won't collect information with my company.

But then again there is a big difference between individual privacy and group privacy, as there is between individual freedom and group freedom. Personally I want to have privacy as individual and to communicate privately with my friends, but when a big entity such as a corporation or church has privacy bad things could happen, remember the dungeons of the Inquisition, even after they supposedly stopped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.57.113 (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the Government should reveal as much information as possible, however Military information is different. Strategic information gives an advantage in any military conflict and is therefore closely guarded; his breaking into that does endanger human lives. What really irritates me is that it's such a profoundly stupid reason. UFO coverups indeed, even with all the information that exists to show that little green men aren't collaborating with the US government to probe their citizens; people STILL believe that. I've entertained the notion that the belief that the government is collaborating with aliens should be a prosecutable offense simply because it's so silly. But yes, he endangered human lives by tampering with military systems and I see why the prosecuting lawyers are so very upset. Also, while all those hackers that have been set as examples did PGP and whatnot, NONE of them hacked and tampered with military systems. None. Because it endangers the lives of one's countrymen if you're a citizen and it provokes international incidences if you're not. I think this is an excessive punishment but I find it hard to really work up indignation on this guy's behalf. --131.181.251.66 01:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 131.181.251.66, here's an idea, they don't get involved in a military conflict, this wouldn't be a problem. Anonymous101talk 06:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

i can't believe im reading this.so he hacked into a few computer systems big deal its not like he embezeled large amounts of cash or killed someone so whats all this talk about guantanamo and severe jail time.nonsence they should offer him a job in security!
 * It's because all governments are full of paranoid faggots who keep trying to one-up each other at the expense of the people. 124.188.171.7 08:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hackers have been given a bad name, and it is by governments overreacting and the tabloids exaggerating that had given them such a bad name. Most of the computerised systems we have in the modern world wouldn't exist without hackers. 12:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)~

Consider This Anonymous101

 * The people elected the leaders.
 * The leaders chose not to show some documents that would cause unnecessary public stress and mayhem.
 * The people reelects these leaders.

Did the hacker really expect to get away with this? Hacking into secret files puts not only soldier's lives in danger, but the public's as well. There is a reason these files are secret! -- Poe Joe (Talk) 03:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So? It's the government's fault that their security systems are ultimately nothing compared to the power of the internet. YOU DO NOT MESS WITH US, KTHX. 124.188.171.7 08:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the US government were trying to hide something. He was going to make public files of UFOs. UFO information being revealed will not cause harm. Anonymous101talk 06:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

If this happened in Russia, China or Iran...
It was another proof that the country in question is Evil, and;

Must be invaded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.165.236 (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfair and other options:
I believe that he does not deserve a jail term. He was obviously highly interested in UFOs and believed that the United States were doing a cover up. He used his inititive and intellect to find information out. It is of course, a matter of national security, however, the law against hackers is new and hard to define. Has he actually stolen anything, has he harmed anyone? A possible reason for his high amount of sentencing, as with many hacker cases, is the embarresment caused. The fact that one person can discover the secrets of hundreds of government databases protected by thousands by simply sitting at a computer. Perhaps some justice should be used, however, throwing him in prison is a waste of intelligence. Recently, the U.S. and South Korea came under cyber attack. Would it not be much more beneficial for everyone to simply offer him the alternative of having to help the United States uncover the culprit behind these cyber attacks and help to reinforce the governments security? 12:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)~


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Comments:Chinese Wikipedia unblocked across China

somebody please explain to me how it happened that china got the freakin' host city contract to begin with... - Imind (talk) 17:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Money--66.229.12.186 20:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is the Olympics after all. It is supposed to be international.  Politics are supposed to be put aside.  That is why it was hosted in the USSR when they were the "global evil".  But yes, as the IP said... Money has alot to do with it.  Whom ever is willing to SPEND serious cash to make a place suitable for the Olympics, will get it. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 20:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShakataGaNai (talk • contribs)
 * Not sure why Sinebot decided you needed an extra sig, maybe because you have no link to your Wikinews user page. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, Anon also pointed that Sine hates me. Consider this a test. If it signs me again I'll fix my sig. Thanks.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 20:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

however, during the days when Wikipedia was still blocked, the HTTPS server didn't work either. so it's never quite a solution to GFC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoeagon (talk • contribs) 01:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * AWESOME Im going to go look up Tibet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.231.88.6 (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

i agree that the games shouldn't involve themselves with politics, but strong human rights violations transcend mere politics. china should not have received the games, IMO. - Imind (talk) 18:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


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British doctor killed while on honeymoon

July 31, 2008 Catherine Mullany, a newly married British woman, and her husband, Ben Mullany, have been shot while on honeymoon in Antigua. Catherine died on the scene, while Ben is in a critical condition in Hospital.

The families of the Mullanys have described themselves as "deeply shocked and devastated."

The incident occurred at 05:00 Antigua time (09:00 GMT) on Tuesday, and it is being treated by police as a robbery. A police spokesperson described the incident. "Shortly after 5am this morning officers from the Bolans Police station responding to a call, arrived at Cocos Hotel and Restaurant in the Valley Church area, the scene of a murder." UK police have been asked to help in the inquiry.

Catherine Mullany was a doctor, who, before her death, planned to become a GP. Ben was a physiotherapy student at the University of the West of England (UWE), which is located in Bristol, England. Mary Price, the Media Relations and Internal Communications Manager for UWE, gave Wikinews the following statement:

Ben Mullany is a third year physiotherapy student at the University of the West of England. Ben is a very good student who is greatly valued by staff and his peers. Staff and fellow students are deeply shocked to hear of this tragic incident. Our condolences go to his wife’s family and our thoughts are with his family at this difficult time.


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OR Notes
UWE Statement recieved via email after request. Will forward email to Wikinews-l for verification. Anonymous101talk 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * ✅ Wikinews-l subscribers will recieve the email. Anyone else can see it in the wikinews-l archives (link to post) Anonymous101talk 18:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I can confirm the quote from Mary Price. (sorry for the delay, I was on break for a few days). --SVTCobra 23:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviewed
Sources corroborate content, email verified on mailing list. Title is a little awkward, but publishing. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Title
Uh, shouldn't this be "British doctor killed while on honeymoon"? As written now it sounds like he was shot, then killed by some different means. --Rividian (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅Anonymous101talk 17:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Update
I thought the update template, as with all such things, was cnsidered a non-content addition and was suitable for addition after archiving? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To start with, the update template is bloody ugly and highly obtrusive; I wouldn't wish it on Conservapedia. Secondly, there are many, many stories which we have done followup pieces on and not applied this - why start now? The cases where I have seen this used in the past are where Wikinews has been flat-out wrong and had to admit to this.
 * Some discussion on this topic has taken place in IRC, and I have invited those favouring edits to old news to bring it up on the Water Cooler. In the meantime, I've put this article back to the way it was when people first read it. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have frequently added the Update template to articles in the past, I think it is fine and perfectly in accordance with WN:ARCHIVE. If it is not the most aesthetically pleasing, that should be changed instead. Cirt (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

We also have a different template for corrections - Correction. The template Update is actually intended expressly for this purpose. Cirt (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


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OR?
This seems like OR...where are the notes? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not OR, IMO as all the information I found is readily available on the web. Anonymous101talk 18:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Southern Minnesota plane crash kills eight

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 * 1) Agrees with our content guide and is newsworthy. -[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Clearluy newsworthy, follows content guide
 * 2) Article and images used in it are not copyright infringements-[[Image:Red_question_mark.svg|20px]] - Copyright on the text and first image is verified, someone from OTRS should verify the ticket for the second image as soon as possible. I have commented it out temporarily to avoid any potential problems.
 * 3) Is fully sourced, (using multiple independent sources is strongly encouraged) or follows Original reporting guidelines (reporting notes are posted to article talk page or e-mailed to other Wikinews contributors to allow some fact-checking and verification of the article contents).-[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - Sources fully cited
 * 4) Is written in a neutral and unbiased manner, with no editorial commentary/advocacy or unsourced opinion.-[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - No opinion, just facts
 * 5) Complies with our style guide (on dateline, grammar and spelling, "inverted pyramid" structure, tone, wikilinks, categories, headline... etc.)-[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] - correct templates used, made minor fixes.

Anonymous101talk 19:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Per #2 - OTRS approved the second image -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 21:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:IOC lifts ban on Iraqi athletes participating in the Beijing Olympics

Previous story link anyone?
 * Related news section added. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)