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Talk:CanadaVOTES: Liberal Dr. Eric Hoskins running in Haldimand—Norfolk

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The interview portion is great! But I really think it need to introduce who Dr. Hoskins is, what the riding is, and a backgrounder on the actual election at the very least. Fails review so far, but easily upgradeable. -  Amgine | t 17:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do remember to put the articles back into develop if they fail review. Thanks -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 07:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Added the raw text, for the verifiability section. As for information on the candidates, I agree in principle, however, if everything works as planned, I'll have a few hundred interviews to publish. I simply don't have the time to write individual intros.

 * I've now added to the template a sentence that says "For more information on this candidate, visit their official website, listed below." It also links to that section of each article. Does that work? --  Zanimum (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Courtney Brady  wrote: > Nick, > > Thanks for contacting the campaign. I've attached a copy of the > answers to your interview questions, and copied them below in case you > have problems with the attachment. If you have any questions or > require further information please let me know. I think this is a > great initiative and we're happy to be a part of it. > > All the best, > > Courtney Brady > > > Your name: Dr. Eric Hoskins > Political party: Liberal Party of Canada > Riding: Haldimand-Norfolk > > Why are you running for political office, why at the federal level, > why this party, and why in this riding? > > I am running for political office because I feel that it is time to > change the way we do politics at the federal level. We need a bold, > courageous vision for the future of our country, one that rises above > party politics and speaks to all Canadians. > I am running in Haldimand-Norfolk because my family's roots in this > riding go back five generations and nearly 150 years. I grew up here, > and continue to call Simcoe my home. I have spent the last twenty > years giving a voice to people, families and communities facing > challenges, helping them take hold of opportunities and grow strong. > Now I want to stand up for Haldimand-Norfolk in Ottawa and represent > its priorities. We need leadership in Haldimand-Norfolk that works for > all citizens, finding common ground and seizing every opportunity for > advancement of our families, communities and our economy. > > Previous to this campaign, have you been politically involved? How > will you apply your previous work/volunteer/life experience to serving > your constituents? > Political involvement has been an important part of my professional > career. After completing my studies at McMaster and Oxford > universities I found myself drawn to humanitarian work as a doctor in > some of the world's most troubled war zones. Upon returning to Canada > I spent three years in federal government as the Senior Advisor to > Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy. I now practice medicine and serve as > President of War Child, a leading Canadian charity helping children in > war zones. I have spent the last twenty years advocating for people, > families and communities. This experience has prepared me to give a > voice to the people of Haldimand-Norfolk in Ottawa. > As you campaign around your riding, it's likely that some issues are > mentioned more often by voters, than other issues. What would you say > are the three hottest topics this election, in your riding? What would > you and your party do to address these issues? > In Haldimand-Norfolk, the three hottest topics in this election are > the impasse over land claims in Caledonia, the state of agriculture > and food policy, and health care. > > Land Claims > I will make the impasse in Caledonia a cabinet priority. This dispute > is a federal problem that requires a federal response. Negotiations > must happen with frequency, and I will ensure that interim targets are > established and met within a timeline. I will do more to ensure this > dispute is resolved, and ensure that the Federal, Provincial and local > governments work together with Police Services to resolve this impasse > in a timely manner. > > Agriculture and Food Policy > We need a food policy that puts Canadian farmers first. I will fight > for a national food strategy that prioritizes Canadian farming by > promoting local agriculture, food safety and food security. Canadians > should be encouraged to buy local food stuffs, however, we have to > ensure they are protected from food-born illnesses. The government > must do more to support farmers and to keep our food supply safe. > > I believe in the wheat board and support supply management. Farm > programs should be simplified and made transparent. The Conservative > government has marginalized the farming communities it claims to > represent. We need concrete support for our farmers and a real > solution for tobacco producers, not more politics and posturing. > > Health Care > Families in Haldimand-Norfolk deserve quality health care. As a > medical doctor, I understand the challenges facing our communities, > including a lack of physicians, long wait times and spiraling drug > costs. The size of your bank account should not be the determinant of > the quality of care you receive. We will continue to fight to ensure > that the future of health care does not follow this course. Our health > care system should remain publicly-funded and properly funded. > > All patients have a fundamental right to receive access to timely care > for necessary medical services. It is unacceptable that too many > Canadians are without a family physician. Wait times in emergency > rooms or for important diagnoses are too long because there aren't > enough nurses or other medical professionals to keep up with the > increasing needs. With an aging population we need a plan to ensure > greater access to health care professionals. I will work hard to > attract new doctors and bring better health services to our > communities. I will support the Liberal Doctors and Nurses Fund, which > will invest $420 million to ensure all Canadians have access to a > medical professional. I will also work to ensure that the goals of the > National Pharmaceuticals Strategy are achieved, namely catastrophic > drug coverage. > > Are there any misconceptions about you, your leader, or your party and platform? > > I think there are several misconceptions about Stéphane Dion. He is a > strong, thoughtful leader who is genuine in his desire to serve the > best interests of Canadians. Throughout the Liberal leadership > campaign, his integrity was never questioned. > > This is a man who stood up to Lucien Bouchard during the height of the > separatist debate in Quebec. He took criticism because of his stance > in his home province, yet he continued to fight for national unity. > This strong vision of Canada remains evident today; his innovative > ideas promise to deliver prosperity to Canadians. > > The Green Shift plan is poorly understood. This marriage of the > economy to the environment is an innovative step that will provide > Canada with the opportunity to reinvigorate the economy and resume its > place as a global leader in fighting climate change effectively. > > The Green Shift is designed to tax less the things we want more of > (like income, investment, and jobs), and tax more the things we want > less of (like pollution and greenhouse gas emissions). It is revenue > neutral; the Auditor General will certify that every dollar collected > from the carbon tax will be returned to Canadians. I support the Green > Shift, and I support Stéphane Dion. > > There are more ways than ever to get your message out, from the > traditional campaign fliers and lawn signs, to new media like > websites, Facebook, and YouTube. The tried-and-true routes get the > message out to the masses much easier, but digital alternatives are > much more measurable in how many are seeing or interacting with your > campaign. 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CanadaVOTES: Christian Heritage Party leader Ron Gray running in Langley

September 19, 2008

On October 14, 2008, Canadians will be heading to the polls for the federal election. Christian Heritage Party candidate Ron Gray is standing for election in the riding of Langley.

Wikinews contacted Ron Gray, to talk about the issues facing Canadians, and what they and their party would do to address them. Wikinews is in the process of contacting every candidate, in every riding across the country, no matter their political stripe. All interviews are conducted over e-mail, and interviews are published unedited, allowing candidates to impart their full message to our readers, uninterrupted.

Mr. Gray has been leader of the Christian Heritage Party since 1995. He first ran for office in 1988.

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Why are you running for political office, why at the federal level, why this party, and why in this riding?
 * I'm not a 'new' candidate, having run eight times before; but neither am I an incumbent.

 * I'm running for office because I believe Canada desperately needs to restore respect for time-tested, proven biblical principles as the foundation for public policy; because the Conservatives have now made themselves the defenders of the abortion industry and the "gay rights" lobby... with Stephen Harper's statement (in december, 2005) : "I will use whatever influence I have to ensure that no legislation on abortion comes into Parliament"; and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson's statement, when he introduced a government bill designed to trash Conservative MP Ken Epp's Unborn Victims of Crime bill: “Let me be clear, our government will not reopen the debate on abortion… the government will introduce legislation that will punish criminals who commit violence against pregnant women but do so in a way that leaves no room for the introduction of fetal rights.”

 * Of course, the other parties are all in complete accord with this, which leaves the 40-70% of Canadians (depending on how the survey is framed) who are pro-life with no one to represent them.

 * In addition, the so-called "Conservatives: broke their promise on income trusts... on defending the traditional definition of marriage... and they even broke their own LAW on fixed election dates.... and all the other parties are equally vapid and culpable.

 * Why? Because they have no principled basis for shaping policies!

'''Previous to this campaign, have you been politically involved? How will you apply your previous work/volunteer/life experience to serving your constituents?'''
 * Yes. As stated above, I have run for office 8 times. My background as a journalist involved covering politics, as well as BC Supreme Court. My background in public information services (especially Information Canada) brought me into frequent direct contact with Canadians from many walks of life, and acquainted me with their needs and the ways in which the government bureaucracy (and, often, Cabinet venality) frustrated them.

'''As you campaign around your riding, it's likely that some issues are mentioned more often by voters, than other issues. What would you say are the three hottest topics this election, in your riding? What would you and your party do to address these issues?'''
 * 1 - A deep, deep sense of betrayal and mistrust... the Tories 'Gardasil' program -- delivering up 9-12-year-old girls as guinea pigs to be vaccinated with an inadequately-tested vaccine that trats only four of the 36 forms of HPV, a sexually-transmitted disease -- a vaccine promoted by a 'friend' of the Prime Minister, and a program that delivered $300 million of taxpayers' money to Big Pharma... this scandal is seen as the Tories equivalent to the Liberals' 'Adscam'...
 * 2 - High gasoline prices, a result (in the view of most constituents) of government inaction on energy and a too-close relationship to Big Oil...
 * 3 - The revolving door of the court system pumps criminals back onto the streets faster than the police can arrest them; brainless court decisions handcuff the police, and we are not allowed to protect ourselves...
 * 4 - When I tell them, (because the mainstream media won't) constituents are infuriated that the courts are unconstitutionally violating the exclusive right of Parliament to make laws, even unconstitutionally altering the Constitution...
 * 5 - When I tell them, (because the mainstream media won't) constituents are infuriated that the four parties now in Parliament have voted themselves $30 million a year of taxpayers' money to finance their re-election campaigns, but at the same time they strangled the ability of the smaller parties to raise voluntary contributions, cutting the ceiling from $5,000 to $1,000 and outlawing all business contributions, even those from small sole proprietorships...

 * What would we do to address these issues:
 * 1 - we would keep our promises
 * 2 - Eliminate federal gasoline taxes (including GST) on prices higher than 75 cents a litre; mount a Royal Commission on energy marketing, to determine if pricing collusion exists.
 * 3 - Make penalties for Criminal Code offenses mean what they say; mandate that penalties for crimes are automatically doubled if the offender carries a firearm; doubles again if it is loaded; and tripled on top of that if it is discharged.

Adopt the National Firearms Association's "Practical Firearms Control System", and allow any citizen who does not have a criminal record or mental illness, after taking the appropriate safety training program, to own and keep at home, or carry a firearm for personal and family protection. The NFA can provide $4 million of a liability coverage to its members for $9 a year; that proves that their system works!
 * 4 - Parliament MUST establish a Standing Committee on the Judiciary, and arm it with the authority to examine any court decision on the sole grounds of conformity to the Constitution. This limitation of grounds would protect judicial independence in matters of law and fact; but if the SCJ considered a decision to violate the spirit of letter of the Constitution, they would have the authority to brig into Parliament a bill amending that decision (so that the body of precedent would not be contaminated by unconstitutional rulings). This would make the courts accountable to the SCJ for the constitutionality of their ruling; the SCJ accountable to Parliament; and Parliament is accountable to the electorate.

The SCJ should also have the authority to accept or reject Supreme Court Justices from nominations prepared by the Justice Committee; and to initiate impeachment proceedings, to be tried by Parliament, on grounds of moral turpitude, bias, corruption or neglect of duty.
 * 5 - Eliminate all present allocations of taxpayer funds to political parties. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, "It is tyrannical to compel a man to pay for the promulgation of ideas with which he does not agree." Instead, the income tax form should include a box with a message somewhat like this: "Two dollars of your taxes will be used to further the democratic political system in Canada. You may designate which registered political party will receive your $2; if no party is designated, your $2 will go into a non-partisan education fund to teach schoolchildren and new immigrants hw Canada's democratic political system works."

Is there any misconceptions about you, your leader, or your party and platform?
 * Yes, indeed! Many people think the CHP is a "one-issue" party, because of our on-going emphasis on the right to life. This issue is of primary importance, because the right to life is the one right without which no other right has any meaning.

 * But the CHP has a 56-page policy book (available on our website at www.chp.ca) that covers every aspect of federal government jurisdiction.

 * Many people also labour under the misapprehension that we aspire to use the power of government to compel others to believe that we believe. This is utterly untrue! Consider this statement from our web-page:

"Our purpose is to place ourselves under the authority and guidance of the principles of the Gospel — principles like justice, honesty, compassion, diligence, thrift and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

 * Today, the 16% Secularist minority in Canada dominates four powerful institutions that shape all our lives: governments, courts, the public education establishment, and the major news and entertainment media. The best defence of the religious freedom and intellectual liberty of the minority faiths (which at 4% all together total only about 1/3 the 12% who are Secularists) is to make common cause with the 79% of Canadians who identify themselves as Christians. We are thus a bulwark defending religious liberty — for everyone — against a militant Secularist juggernaut that seeks to exclude all faiths from the public square.

'''There are more ways than ever to get your message out, from the traditional campaign fliers and lawn signs, to new media like websites, Facebook, and YouTube. The tried-and-true routes get the message out to the masses much easier, but digital alternatives are much more measurable in how many are seeing or interacting with your campaign. What seems to be the most effective, from your experience?'''
 * We view the 'new media' — especially the Internet — as a way to get our message past the media censors who have blocked us from speaking to the Canadian public for 20 years. We're still learning to use it, but we have several short policy statements on YouTube ... and there are more streaming videos on our web-page at www.chp.ca

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Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr trying to remove running mate Wayne Allyn Root, reports say

September 18, 2008

Reports published by various political news websites on Wednesday night said that there may be a movement within the to replace its vice presidential nominee,.

This comes after (LNC) representative Stuart Flood made a motion to remove Root from the ballot over remarks that the latter made in a recent interview with . Many found these remarks to be racially insensitive.

It is reported that Libertarian presidential nominee and former  wants Root off of the ballot as well, which some believe is the reason that the Barr campaign supposedly advised party  to keep Angela Keaton, a probable vote for Root’s removal, on the LNC. Over the past few weeks, several members of the LNC have been trying to remove Keaton from the committee because of what they felt were sexually inappropriate comments written by her in a blog.

Barr has been the subject of controversy for over a week because of his last-minute refusal to attend former presidential hopeful 's third party unity conference at the  in  last Wednesday.


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Somali pirates seize Greek freighter, 25 crew in the Gulf of Aden

September 18, 2008 According to the International Maritime Bureau (IMB), pirates have seized a Greek bulk carrier en route to Kenya with 25 crew on board in the Gulf of Aden some 370 kilometers from Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia.

Noel Choong, who represents the International Maritime Bureau, advised ships traveling through the gulf to take extra precautions. "It appears that the pirates are now attacking ships in two areas, the eastern part of Somalia and northern parts of the Horn of Africa nation," he said. "Ships are warned to take extra measures and stay 200 nautical miles away from the coast. They must maintain a strict watch.''

The Gulf of Aden is a dangerous place for ships, with many incidents of piracy occurring regularly in the Gulf.

Four hours earlier pirates had attacked another vessel, a chemical tanker from Hong Kong, which was at the time carrying 22 crew members. Following that attack, the gulf was described by the managing director of the Hong Kong Shipowners Association as an "incredibly dangerous place."

In response to this, several large shipping organisations have called for countries to deploy forces from their Navies in the Gulf of Aden.

"The shipping industry's plea is in response to a situation which it describes as in danger of spiralling completely and irretrievably out of control," said the group which consisted of the International Chamber of Shipping, Intercargo, Bimco and Intertanko. "Continued inaction against these violent acts could prompt shipowners to redirect their ships via the Cape of Good Hope, with severe consequences for international trade, including increased prices for delivered goods."

The group also said that there have been 40 hijackings in the gulf, resulting in 133 crew members being kidnapped and 10 ships being held. According to the IMB six gangs totalling approximately 1,200 people have carried out these attacks.


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Talk:Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr trying to remove running mate Wayne Allyn Root, reports say

It is being speculated that Barr wants Root out, which some think is the true reason that the Barr campaign supposedly advised party Chairman Bill Redpath to keep Angela Keaton, a probable vote for Root’s removal, on the LNC. I think this sentence should be rewritten. I'm not a hundred percent sure who did what and why. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Also, it appears that Independent Political Report just used the report from Last Free Voice, so I'm not sure if it should be credited as breaking the news. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Ok. My last comment and then I think it's good to go. Why would they want Angela Keaton off the LNC? There no context there and that's where I think i was having problems with. Thanks --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 20:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Surely the article should mention what these racially insensitive remarks are. Nil Einne (talk) 08:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We do, I would add them, but I'm at work so I can't. Quotes are the lifeblood of news writing, they need to be in there. —Calebrw (talk) 15:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


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quickly, we must send in the ninjas to stop these pirates! 167.102.159.2 22:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Somali Pirates?
Is Jack Sparrow the captain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.81.119.178 (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Mencia is a funny man. 68.210.105.210 23:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Arm the Ships

 * Since only the pirates are armed the ships are sitting ducks for the pirates. The Tankers need to be armed and trained how to use there arms properly. When the pirates start loosing their ships and lives they will slow down if not stop all together.

It is silly and ludicrous for international law to require the shipping companies to be unarmed.

Arming the ships will only escalate things. If pirates think they are in danger they'll just kill everyone on the ship by default. Not to mention the corruption of the guards possibilities. Besides there are already successful noise weapons that can be used safely, and if that isn't enough it is a job for the navies of the world, not private security. 68.210.105.210 23:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with a few pirates on the high seas? Isn't it about time this most ancient of maritime arts should experience a worthy renaissance? After all these stout-hearted Somalis are following in the footseps of such legends as Edward Teach (Blackbeard), Jean Fleury and Henry Morgan. Though the tactics and weaponry have greatly modernized since the days of Jack Sparrow, piracy lives on in the Gulf of Aden as it will for many ages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.163.70 (talk) 07:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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With Torpedos me Hearties.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.7.211 (talk) 14:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

THE FOLKS WHO ARE TAKING CONTROL OF THEIR WATERS AND REQUIRING RIGHTS OF PASSAGE FEES ARE WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS. IT'S SIMPLY A "TOLL". THE TERM "PIRATES" IS APPLIED BY THOSE WHO WANT FREE PASSAGE. LOUIE'SPAINTERS


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Comments:Libertarian U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr trying to remove running mate Wayne Allyn Root, reports say

In my opinion, put Root at the top of the ticket, he's a better choice than Barr. <3 Reason. 68.189.148.241 23:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Each passing day makes an increasingly compelling case for the notion that Barr and his associates are Republican infiltrators intent on dividing and discrediting the Libertarian Party in particular and third parties in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.238.26 (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

This small party has so many problems even keeping itself in order, is it really a legitimate party? 68.210.105.210 04:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, so whats the possibly inappropriate comments of racial and sexual nature? I can't find any of that and its probably the best part.--74.46.223.68 15:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No kidding, and I thought the Democratic party was in chaos. This is just laughable how all the third party supporters say that the two-party system is in shambles while one of the third parties itself is in havoc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.98.36.235 (talk) 15:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Irony
Irony is trying to kick your running mate off the ticket for a questionable remark when you're in deep shit for much worse issues. Root should've been the candidate anyway. --Kitch (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

bob barr is a loser and needs to go away!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.246.104.100 (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


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Government sued for operating electronic Dragnet
On September 18, 2008, the (EFF) filed a lawsuit against the NSA, President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Cheney's chief of staff David Addington, former Attorney General and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, and other government agencies and individuals who ordered or participated in the warrantless domestic surveillance. They sued on behalf of AT&T customers to stop the illegal, unconstitutional, and ongoing dragnet surveillance of their communications and communications records. The EFF's ongoing case may be bogged down by constitutional questions due to new FISA provisions, but they won't impact the new case.

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I'm confused by the EFF story. It says "The EFF's ongoing case may be bogged down by constitutional questions due to new FISA provisions, but they won't impact the new case". What ongoing case? What new case? The story only mentions one case, which I guess you could say is ongoing now and is obviously a new case so it's not clear what this line is referring to. Nil Einne (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Markets rally as world's central banks infuse cash

Do you think the cash infusions will help the global markets in the long run?
Of course not.

Hundreds of millions of good money thrown after bad.

If we allow these deals to go through, we will have opened ourselves to a great deal more risk.

The hundreds of billions apparently spent are a devil's bargain. In the short term they will keep the party going, but they will make the hangover much, much worse.

Better for the dysfunctional institutions to fail. Keeping them around is certainly against anyone's interest besides the failed financial institutions themselves. Some lengthy prison sentences for those at the center of our epoch's financial malfeasance would help.

They must fail. Shoring up our nation's corrupt financial sector, at the cost of debasing our currency will cause a worse crash than if we bite the bullet now, have several years hard times, and emerge from it stronger and leaner, the deadwood burned away.

The fed's deals may not be legal. They must not be allowed to go through.

Have your say sounds awfully familiar to me.. *cough* HHUUUGH BBC *cough*. But yeah, markets are mass psychology, if this makes people happy, then so be it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.89.123.41 (talk) 18:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:World record set for balloon blowing with nose, on US talk show

Can't you think of anything else better to write about...
--194.66.226.95 11:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC) ...in the midst of an international financial crisis!
 * See the front page. Two financial stories there already. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank Satan!
In the midst of economic collapse, war, cover-ups, human rights violations, and the election of a president in the U.S. that could either save the world or destroy it, I'm so glad we have people like these to save us from all of the violence and evil in the world! This nose-balloon blower is absolutely necessary, important news -- This guy is a living Superman, fighting the bad guys by achieving absolutely ridiculous world records. Oh, I'm so glad that we don't have war to worry about anymore, now that we've got a guy who can blow a balloon with his nose. Most newsworthy thing I've ever seen on Wikinews. 24.56.51.114 14:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So much sarcasm is bad for my heart condition. I'd like to live to see Iran nuke Washington D.C. when that John 'nice old man' McCain orders an invasion. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * People write what appeals to them. The fact that we are able to take a small story and put on Wikinews is wonderful. I actually feel a little more better when stories like this come along. There is too much war, too much terrorism and too much violence. If you think that all of that are the only things in the world that are newsworthy, then you watch too much FAUX News. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

If you are so offended by the article being written, why waste your time reading about it and complaining. Get on with your own life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.30 (talk) 13:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


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Shares worldwide surge due to US government plan

September 19, 2008

Stock markets around the world, particularly those in the United Kingdom, have increased dramatically today. This is due to the ongoing events in the financial world, including the United States government's announcement that it would buy billions of dollars of bad loans from US banks.

The primary UK index, the FTSE 100, rose in value by 8.04%, which is 392.50 points, to above the 5000 mark at 5272.50. The Dow Jones, was up 3.10% at 14:58 UTC, an increase of 330.89. The Dow Jones currently has a value of 11350.58 points. The NASDAQ index has risen by 2.53% to 2248.63, while the Dax was 5.06% higher than the start of the day as of 14:58 UTC. The US Treasury described the government's bail-out plan in a press release released earlier today. It said that "The U.S. Treasury Department today announced the establishment of a temporary guaranty program for the U.S. money market mutual fund industry. For the next year, the U.S. Treasury will insure the holdings of any publicly offered eligible money market mutual fund – both retail and institutional – that pays a fee to participate in the program."

Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, explained the government's reasoning behind its plan. He said that the government was buying bad loans "to restore confidence in our markets and our financial institutions, so they can fuel continued growth and prosperity, we must address the underlying problem."

President George W. Bush, speaking at a press conference alongside Paulson, said "this is a pivotal moment for America's economy."

The government plan is permitted under the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, which gives the Treasury the permission "to deal in gold, foreign exchange, and other instruments of credit and securities."


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Alaskan Governor and Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's email account hacked

September 20, 2008

A hacker who has claimed to be loosely associated with internet group Anonymous managed to hack into the email account of Alaskan Governor and Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin in the early morning hours of Wednesday, September 16.

Partial contents of her email account - including two family photos, email messages and contact lists - were subsequently hosted online at Wikileaks.org, a website that anonymously hosts leaked government and corporate documents. Anonymous, who were responsible for attacks on Scientology in the past, have claimed credit for the intrusion. The email account has been used by Palin for conducting government business and communication, circumventing transparency laws. The hacker gained access to Palin's account by answering Yahoo!'s security questions, finding the answers on websites like Wikipedia.org. The hacker was apparently careless and frightened, and posted the new password on 4chan.org as well as a few hasty screenshots. In the screenshots were proxy data, which Ctunnel.com owner Gabriel Ramuglia plans to use to help with FBI investigations.

"White hat" hackers, however, have discovered that the hacker's online identity was linked to the email address of David Kernell, the son of Democratic Tennessee state representative Mike Kernell. When confronted, Kernell made no confirmation of that. While 4chan has deleted all images of the email account, the screenshots have quickly spread to blogs and news websites online.


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Anonymous
Although media reports say the group Anonymous was responsible, I know for a fact that the individuals who leaked the information to Wikileaks, was someone(s) claiming to be part of Anonymous. That said, I do not believe it is NPOV or factual to say that the entire group was responsible. Someone sending in leaks can claim to be Elvis Presley, but that does not mean its actually them. IMO, until evidence of some kind says otherwise, I don't believe we can say the group Anonymous is responsible. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Also, the nature of Anonymous means that even if a member or members did it in the name of the 'common good', then we can't say the whole group is responsible unless - to use a wiki buzzword - consensus can be demonstrated. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Anonymous' is a strange thing to try and pin down for reporting purposes. If I logged out to make this comment and let sinebot flag its origin I would be 'Anonymous from Belgium'.
 * The people who've gone after Scientology have no membership roll or criteria, just general collaboration through the 4chan and other websites, to some extent you could say 'Anonymous' is just a meme. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Image
What /?/tard put up an image that will obviously end up zapped? I have no sympathy. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

no such "group" as Anonymous
From the Wikipedia article: "The name "Anonymous" itself is inspired by the perceived anonymity under which users post images and comments on the Internet, as well as from the default name "Anonymous" assigned by various internet forums to visitors who leave comments without self-identifying. It is generally considered as a blanket term – not tied to any monolithic group – for the vox populi or members of the Internet culture."

Ignorant statements like "A hacker thought to be loosely associated with internet group Anonymous" are to be expected from the mainstream media, but there is no excuse for wikinews, you all should know this shit. 76.178.154.181 22:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

One month discrepancy between date of article publication and date listed in template
While the 2008 US Presidential Election template lists October 20 as the date for this article, it was actually published on September 20. The seeming error also appears in Portal:Politics and conflicts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emw2012 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Shares worldwide surge due to US government plan

Someone's ass is about to be kicked, maybe they need a bureau to fix that. 68.189.148.241 19:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

IT HELPS THE WORLD
IT WILL HELP THE WORLD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.117.118 (talk) 23:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Intresting?
You know It's very intresting ,Goverment and Indsutry have been in bed togheter all the time ,but this crisis is the result of the high greed and irresponsibility of Corporate America and this administration ,the action take by the Goverment is clear on it's intentions and unofficial (now Official) RICH PEOPLE MATTER, THE REST OF US DON'T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.32.157.50 (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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Website of Bill O'Reilly, FOX News commentator, hacked in retribution

September 20, 2008

According to document-leaking website Wikileaks.org hackers bypassed security at BillOreilly.com, the official website of Fox News Channel commentator Bill O'Reilly, exposing personal information of the site's users in a document posted on the Internet. The one page document, which Wikileaks confirms to be authentic, shows a list of individuals and passwords of those who have accounts on O'Reilly's website, BillOReilly.com. The list, according to the document, contains at least 205 names, e-mail addresses, billing addresses and passwords of subscribers.

"The hack was a response to the pundit's recent scurrilous attacks over the Sarah Palin's email story--including on Wikileaks and other members of the press," said Wikileaks in a statement on their website. According to the report, the security on O'Reilly's website was "non-existent".

"I'm not going to mention the website that posted this, but it's one of those despicable, slimy, scummy websites. Everybody knows where this stuff is, OK, and they know the people who run the website, so why can't they go there tonight to the guy's house who runs it, put him in cuffs and take him down and book him?," said O'Reilly on his show, The O'Reilly Factor, on September 18.

Wikileaks recently published documents from Palin's hacked Yahoo.com e-mail account. The documents had shown that Palin had been conducting matters pertaining to the public or government of Alaska over her private e-mail account.

In an exclusive statement to Wikinews, Wikileaks stated that they will only publish the single page, but also claim to have several more. Wikileaks also states that they have already received "three letters" from staff members employed by O'Reilly "requesting" Wikileaks remove the document, which Wikileaks refuses to do.

"We simply cannot [remove the information]. The system, as per policy, is designed so that files can not be taken down, once up," said Wikileaks to Wikinews.

O'Reilly and Fox News have not yet responded to inquiries.


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I talked to Wikileaks for their statement. The person wishes to be anonymous. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)q
 * Without divulging the person's identity, do you think you could be somewhat more specific? I always assumed that Wikileaks wasn't one person, so did you talk to "a person who claims to be able to speak on behalf of Wikileaks" or "the operator of the Wikileaks website" or something in between? What was the mode of communication? Phone, email, IRC, other? It goes to establish that you did in fact communicate with Wikileaks and not an impostor. --SVTCobra 01:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


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"despicable, slimy, scummy websites" -- For fuck's sake, O'Reilly, buy a thesaurus! 24.56.51.114 02:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad he got to see how much warrantless wiretapping sucks. :) --Poisonous (talk) 07:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Loving Liberal double standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KDP3 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Aren't conservatives against privacy rights?--74.46.223.68 19:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 * ... people pay to e-mail Bill O'Reilly. Wow. Thunderhead 05:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The main criticism I'd make of O'Reilly's original comments is that they're anti-free-speech... but taking retribution against someone for having the wrong opinion is even more anti-free-speech. Much less taking retribution against a bunch of people because they have accounts on that site and probably agree with O'Reilly's opinions. --Struthious Bandersnatch (talk) 11:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I don't understand: Fox or O'Reilly haven't even hinted that they've recieved this information. How do we know that it's real? I'm using software to see if the document was forged (Photoshop), but I can't be sure. Codename Colorado (My User Page) (My Talk Page) 20:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 * There's no evidence to suggest a forgery. Codename Colorado (My User Page) (My Talk Page) 20:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

And this is a perfect example of why you shouldn't criticise Anonymous. O'Reilly might as well painted a bulleye on himself in front of the camera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.113.39 (talk) 20:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I love it 24.30.16.34 22:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

O'reilly was misspelled under the photo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.128.66.161 (talk) 05:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

concerning the election
'''Why is it that everyone is so up-tight about this election or any other election We the people do not truly elect the President anyway. In Dec. the electorial college gets together in each of the state houses and votes the President in that is why we have the inauguration in January.

This was written into our Constitution by the Founding Fathers because they felt the people at the time were not educated enough to understand the importance of voting in a President.

Why question is: Why doesn't any of the news commentators ever talk about this in detail to make the public understand how the Elections truly work. The losing candidate does not have ANY of the votes count.

I personally am a McCain/Palin supporter---I have a son in the Navy and proud of it!

Betty B. from Staten Island —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.216 (talk) 21:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

the lesson
Don't F*** with 4chan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.9.147.1 (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmm.....
Another object lesson in why everyone should be careful about what they put in email and on websites, and why computer security is so important (yes sooooo woefully neglected).207.69.137.15 —Preceding comment was added at 08:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "I have tried to contact Bill t..."
I have tried to contact Bill through e-mail, but have been unsuccessful. I think I have a simple and reasonable way to stop the oil leak, but no one will return my calls. Bill I watched your show on Monday. Just wanted to let you know how bias I thought you were. Are you going to blame your camera person when you forget to gas up? One cannot control all aspects of ones job at the same time. I believe they should pay however how can you blame him for somebody going to sleep? —71.83.239.50 (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


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'Buried' video surfaces of police making mass arrests during the Republican National Convention

September 20, 2008 A video has surfaced which shows police in St. Paul, Minnesota arresting over 200 people at a city park during the first day of the Republican National Convention (RNC) on September 1, 2008. The video first appeared on YouTube which was then picked up and reported on by the political news websites Alternet.org and Blue Linchpin. Glass Bead Collective (GBC), which had interviewed the author of one of the buried videos, was preemptively raided before the RNC according to an interview published on Democracynow.org.

The video, which had been buried in the park's ground by the author only known as 'Wes', shows hundreds of people, protesters and others who were there to only to attend the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) concert and were not part of the convention at all; talking amongst themselves or passing through. Nearly 400 armed police officers, dressed in full riot gear, then began to surround them. Some officers were on bicycles while others were on horses. Some people began to yell for help while others complained that the officers cut them off from water and the use of restrooms for at least an hour. One video shows police shooting canisters of tear gas and percussion grenades at seemingly peaceful protesters, some who were on bicycles, were running and screaming for help.

According to another video posted on Alternet.org, among those arrested were people just passing through or were there to use its services. It also states that the National Guard was dispatched to the park. When the narrator of one of the videos asks the police what the police are waiting for, he replies "we are waiting for them [other officers] to let us know when we can let you leave." Several minutes later, police began to arrest everyone they surrounded.

"Ladies and gentlemen, you are [all] under arrest. Please be seated, place your hands on your head and cooperate with us," stated a police officer speaking through a megaphone. In the background one female is heard saying, "Are you serious?"

The Glass Bead Collective tells Wikinews that 'Wes' was charged with "felony rioting" but that after spending three days in jail, "his charges were downgraded to misdemeanors right before he saw the judge". GBC also tells Wikinews that about a week after being released, 'Wes' went back to the park and retrieved his videotape.

It is not known if anyone was injured nor if any individuals remain in jail. Reports say that 800 people were arrested during the convention, with nearly 20% of those being the people inside the park.


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I think a little more info on how the video footage surfaced and where it was first published is necessary (and when --SVTCobra 03:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)). --SVTCobra 03:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If more sources can be found on it then sure. But at the moment, there is only this that I can find...but I very well could have missed something. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No more sources, and the PR that they released with the video is in the first source. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the Alternet.org page was the first to get that specific video. Perhaps pasting the statement from the filmmaker would help. Also, as for verification...the second source links to two youtube videos which show the same event at a slightly different time (when everyone is sitting down), recorded in worse quality and by someone else. --Poisonous (talk) 03:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I added who reported it first and where they were posted before they got reported on. As for how they surfaced, I don't think that will be known unless someone steps up and says so. So I am not sure we can get that information unless we can get a hold of the person who made the videos. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm tentatively adding in something...that Glass Bead Collective, who took the video on Alternet.org, was raided. I'm sure I'll have to be corrected, sorry. :) --Poisonous (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

YouTube
I mailed one of the supposed guys that filmed the arrest. I am not sure if he actually filmed it, but its worth a shot. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Glass Bead Collective
I e-mailed them and got a reply. Accredited reporters can contact me to see a copy or see 'scoop'. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Review
@ The reviewer comment: That was me...;) I was so delighted that I was sourced, I sourced back. =P I can take down the link if you like? --Poisonous (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Wordpress
Why is Wordpress mentioned? It isn't a relevant piece of information, just one of the most commonly used blogging platforms. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I give up. I took the Wordpress bullshit out myself. That was a piece of nonsense that had no place in this. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I was asleep..sorry. I put it in because I thought it was a blog, not software. Simple mistake. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

NPOV
It does bugger all good labelling this NPOV if you don't explain why here on the talk. This is not Wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is totally biased. If we keep it the lead, it can seriously damage Wikinews's credibility as a legitimate news source. --WNewsReporter (talk) 16:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm giving up and going for a lie down. You just made the same accusation as the tagger with bugger all details. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Brian is pretty pissed at something, but if you tone down his words they are basically right. If we know what is wrong then we can work on fixing it. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it biased? Its not my fault or the fault of Wikinews if the people we contact make no effort to get back to us. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * With stories like this, you are rarely going to get a viewpoint from "the other side". Unless you can get ahold of police files and court records that can shed some light. Kamnet (talk) 18:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kamnet. It's pretty clear-cut what happened and there wasn't anything added in. There's not much help to be done. --Poisonous (talk) 04:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Wikinews interviews Prince Christopher I of the Principality of Vikesland on his micronation's recent space launch

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these micronation articles are just ridiculously stupid. This is not actual news in any sense of the word, no one wants to here about some whacko who decided he was his own country. I mean come on, wikinews should be an area reserved for real, internationally significant news. Funny how these so called micronations still pay taxes and are still subject to the laws of their actual country. If you are a real nation, prove it and stop paying taxes, see what happens then.... I write this directly to self-instated Prince Christopher I, because i'm confident that it was him who wrote this article, or possibly a crackpot friend.

 * I agree, they're able to send a satellite into space, but they have a crappy looking website hosted on tripod. Also, those stickers on the sattelite were real classy. Smackdat (talk) 16:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * The writer of this article is from Florida, not Manitoba. He enjoys writing about micronations, and I doubt he has any formal affiliation or personal friendship with any of his subjects. --  Zanimum (talk) 17:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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Hello, thar.

I'm Yvette, Editor-in-Chief of Cosumnes River College's student newspaper, | The Connection, media cynic, student journalist and future cat lady.

Articles I've Worked On
 * International controversy over UN declaration to stop anti-homosexuality legislation
 * McCain volunteer's claim that she was mutilated by Obama supporter made up
 * Lost tomb of 'Gladiator' real life Roman inspiration found
 * Police fight police in Brazil protest
 * Oversight Committee: White House attempted to influence Congressional elections
 * Al-Qaeda in Iraq second-in-command reported killed during US raid
 * Secret memos reveal Bush administration endorsed torture
 * US Federal deficit reaches record high of $455 billion
 * Bush deploys military in the US for active duty as federal response force
 * 'Troopergate' investigation finds Palin abused her power
 * Several injured in suicide bomb blast near police lane, Islamabad
 * Zimbabwe cancels education year for 4.5 million after political & economic troubles
 * UK government to spy on phone, email, browsing, of entire population
 * U.S. Senate approves revised bailout package after controversial additions
 * US pastors plan to defy law and endorse candidates
 * McCain and Obama face off in U.S. presidential candidate debate
 * Somalian pirates capture military ship, weapons, tanks
 * Controversial evangelist leader Tony Alamo arrested in child sex investigation
 * Spies warn of October Al-Qaeda operations
 * Sterilization of poor women proposed by legislator
 * FBI begins widespread financial probe of 26 firms
 * McCain delays campaign, Obama says continue the debates
 * Mass delivery of anti-Islamic DVDs in swing voting states
 * Pakistan says its military fired on U.S. aircraft 'violating' its airspace
 * Dr. Aafia’s son freed by Kabul, flown to Islamabad
 * Contaminated baby's milk induces wave of child illness in China
 * Violence erupts in Germany between left and right wing protesters
 * Accidental email brings product placement agency under fire
 * 'Buried' video surfaces of police making mass arrests during the Republican National Convention
 * Alaskan Governor and Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's email account hacked

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Welcome
Have the new, improved welcome template. Long time no see! ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 03:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ohhh, fancy. <3 --Poisonous (talk) 04:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Unfortunately some stupid vandal vandalized your talk page a few minutes ago. I just though i'd let you know so you don't wonder why you are getting the new messages thing. Anonymous101talk 17:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Anonymous101, I appreciate it. I find it funny I got called a fascist of all people XD --Poisonous (talk) 22:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Editor status
Hi Poisonous. You are doing great work and I think you should ask for Editor status. You can ask at Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions and an admin should come around and upgrade you. Cheers --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's not that big a deal to get upgraded. Basically it's more useful for other editors so we don't have to approve every change that you make. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehehehe....*cough cough* Sorry about that. ;) Maybe I will, then. --Poisonous (talk) 21:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

McCain and Obama face off at debate
Hello. I come from Wikinoticias, the Spanish edition of Wikinews. I want to add an interwiki, but you are editing the article now. Can you add the interwiki later, please? Obama y McCain se enfrentan en el primer debate Thanks you so much.--Nico89abc (talk) 03:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I've just done it. Thanks you, can continue editing. --Nico89abc (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ohio mosque attacked during Ramadan service
Did you hear back from the mosque? JoshuaZ (talk) 17:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no. :( --Poisonous (talk) 18:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Please review Disappearing life threatens biodiversity says report. Thanks.--  T harikrish  Talk 07:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Some questions
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Wikinews interviews Mike Lebowitz, Chairman of The Modern Whig Party
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Please Read Poisonous
I would like to formally thank you for your input on my comment and for fixing my formating. I was unaware that it was unreadable. I do disagree that you said it was illegal to have CCMRF. When the Insurrection Act was amended in 2006 the action he took was very much so legal to the point that he has not used CCMRF for anything yet that violates the act. Also do not over react to CCMRF. If things go your way Obama will be sitting in office probably disbanding CCMRF. Though CCMRF looks frighting to those who oppose Bush and some who support him this is nothing to be frightened about. First of all I do not see CCMRF marching through cities killing peaceful protests. It's when these protests become to large and violent for domestic law enforcement to control for themselves that CCMRF and their non-lethal package will be needed. I am guessing that you would bring up the argument that why not give local law enforcement the non-lethal package. Well I am sorry to say it would be too costly for even a handful of law enforcement agencies to have this equipment. I would rather have CCMRF than not have it when massive violent riots occur so that law enforcement does not blunder in causing a massacre. I know that many would bring up what happened in the Civil Rights Era when the military took control. But I firmly believe this force would be trained and disciplined enough that such events do not occur. Another reason that CCMRF might be needed is in the event of a catastrophic natural disaster. I fully realize what you said about the National Guard as saying each state has it's own military basically. Well if mass rioting occurs (which I pray does not) the "military" of that sate might be over stretched and I would like to have the security and comfort that it would be taken care of in a timely manner. I would not like the idea for this to turn in the same thing that happened in India when Britain controlled it. While Ghandi peacefully protested Britain killed and massacred. If such an event did occur I would use all my power and influence to put a stop to it. Immediately. That is my argument to you. --Locke (talk) 00:54, 14October 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again fixing your formatting, please stop indenting your paragraphs, that is causing giant boxes and problems and making it entirely unreadable. Just type like the rest of us. It isn't conformity, it's just common sense, no need to be scared... :) I'm not sure why you're being so formal and uptight, but eh, whatever. I'm not sure what you mean by "my way" as I'm a Nader voter though I certainly like Obama more than McCain, but I fail to see how the subject is relevant at all. Anyways, onto your argument. Your argument seems to hinge first on that the Act is not violated because they haven't actually taken any action in domestic matters--well, I'd that they are ready and willing to is involvement enough. A gun loaded and pointed at you is involved and taking action whether the trigger is being pulled or not. When occupying a foreign country, a battleground (as the US now is), soldiers need not actually do anything--simply standing around with their guns is action enough. Now, onto after the rather irrelevant Obama/Bush thing...by domestic law I'm assuming you mean local police? However if there's a situation that the National Guard, local SWAT and riot police cannot handle, why would soldiers trained and armed to kill be able to do anything unless they outright kill random people in the crowd? Let's be reasonable here, if a few people in a protest start breaking things, more likely than not the ones being fired at will be the entire crowd, not those. And in the case of CCMRF responding to such a riot, they'll simply be firing at will at any civilians. These are soldiers trained to kill. Now, you say that the military of the state might be overstretched--yes, that's possible. So why, then, isn't Bush focusing on beefing up the National Guard and state enforcements? Why just place a small army? Do you think the small army will be ready to respond to any riot in any state? No, that's why we have National Guards, and if he was concerned about the National Guards not being equipped he could have easily given the equipment, money, human resources, and authority to each National Guard. That would have made far, far, far, far more sense if his motive is as you say. A small army that requires additional training just to be able to do what the National and local guards are able to do does not make sense. It just doesn't. Do you see my point? Now, you end with saying that you'd use your power to put a stop to it--no reassurance, and a rather pointless attempt at one, because you begin "putting a stop" to such a situation if it were to occur by denying the possibility and explaining off such a possible situation. You must admit that it is possible and that it is an odd move at best. It is better to be vigilant than try to hard to make excuses for and deny what is entirely possible. And that's my argument. :) --Poisonous (talk) 06:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Philippines Supreme Court to probe leak of draft judgment in election case - I had cut the sources of duplicates. Sorry, for the bad style. I am just nervous, of again being found copyright vio vis-a-vis good style of writing. I had really put so many redundant sources. Thanks for making Wikinews better (I had a slight cold-fever, yesterday; I am not submitting this as alibi, sorry again). Merry X'mas. --Florentino Floro (talk) 07:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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False cancer cure claims lead to federal charges against five US companies

September 20, 2008

The United States Federal Trade Commission filed charges against five companies for "deceptive advertising of bogus cancer cures". An additional six companies also named in the federal agency's complaint have settled and their cases will not go into litigation; however, they will be required to send letters to their former customers, and four will be forced to offer reimbursement

The five companies charged are Omega Supply, San Diego, California; Native Essence Herb Company, El Prado, New Mexico; Daniel Chapter One, Portsmouth, Rhode Island; Gemtronics, Inc., Franklin, North Carolina, and Herbs for Cancer, Surprise, Arizona. According to Lydia Parnes, director of the Federal Trade Commission's Bureau of Consumer Protection, "There is no credible scientific evidence that any of the products marketed by these companies can prevent, cure, or treat cancer of any kind."

Attorney Richard Jaffe who represents the firm Native Essence, one of the companies charged, protested against the FDA's action. "In our view it's a battle between the right to speak and the government's censorship." Native Essence sells herbal supplements and informs customers of herbs that have historic use for cancer and other ailments. Jaffe asserts the claim of historic use is truthful and does not necessarily mean that the herb is effective. Other items marketed by the companies named in the action include laetrile, essiac tea, mushroom extracts, and black salve. FDA representative Douglas Stearn expressed concern that people who have cancer may select these items instead of treatments that have been studied and found effective, or that unstudied herbal treatments could produce drug interactions with conventional medicine.

Before filing legal action the FTC sent over 100 warning letters and many firms dropped or changed the health claims for their products. In conjunction with the announcement the FDA announced a new website http://www.ftc.gov/curious that urges cancer patients to discuss all treatments they consider trying with their physicians, warns about the dangers of delaying or stopping cancer treatments in favour of alternative medicine, and gives advice about spotting and reporting false health claims.


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Indonesian parliament approves privatising of three major state firms

September 20, 2008

The parliament of Indonesia has approved government plans to make an Initial Public Offering (IPO) of shares in three major state-owned firms, privatising them. They are steelmaker Krakatau Steel, Bank Tabungan Negara (BTN) and national flag carrier Garuda Indonesia.

The parliament has left the process fully in the hands of the government, and has set the maximum stake to be sold at 30% for BTN and Krakatau, and 40% for Garuda. Although Indonesia has been known to fund budget deficits with privatisation, the intention is for the funds from this scheme to go to the businesses themselves to allow expansion.

Krakatau expects 3.2 trillion Rupiah (IDR) from the sale, while the estimated price for their stock is between IDR3 and IDR4 trillion (321 - 428 million USD). Both ArcelorMittal SA, the biggest steelmaker in the world, and BlueScope Steel Ltd, the largest in Australia, have expressed an interest in the IPO. Krakatau will use the funds to help finance an expansion scheme which aims to have production doubled to five million tonnes in 2011.

BTN, which focuses on home owner loans, has set itself a target income of IDR36.12 trillion (3.86 billion USD) in 2010 compared to a projected IDR22.9 trillion ( 2.45 billion USD) this year. Net profit for this year is projected at IDR472 billion (50.5 million USD)and is hoped to rise to IDR1.39 trillion (148.7 million USD) in 2010. The bank's loan to deposit ratio is predicted to rise from 105.05% this year to 144.93% in 2012. BTN hopes to conduct its IPO before the end of 2008.

Garuda is not quite 100% state-owned to start with, unlike the other two, but is very close with 95.44% of the company belonging to the government. Like all of Indonesia's 51 airlines, Garuda is on the list of air carriers banned in the EU due to safety concerns raised after a string of air accidents in the nation. Garuda expects to raise IDR4.2 trillion (449.4 million USD) in funds from the IPO, and will use IDR2.5 trillion (267.5 million USD) to pay off its debts and invest IDR1.7 trillion (181.9 million USD) in new aircraft.

The government is still working to get a deal to make IPOs for architectural firm Yodya Karya and three plantation firms called Perkebunan Nusantara III, IV and VII.


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15 killed, 30 injured attempting to steal fuel from train in India

September 20, 2008 Fifteen people are dead, and thirty more have become ill after attempting to steal fuel from a freight train travelling through, Assam, India. It is thought they broke into a tank containing toxic chemicals.

According to a railway official, the train was in the remote region with 48 wagons of petrol and diesel when raiders intercepted it. The train was in a forested area at the time and was surrounded by armed men, a common occurrence in an area where trains transporting products to and from refineries are regularly targeted.

Witnesses described liquid pumping out of a tank at high pressure. There are no reports as in to what the tank contained, but the fumes were toxic; when police arrived they found that fifteen had succumbed to the gas, and thirty more were sickened by it. A number of empty oil drums, presumably intended for fuel from the train, were also discovered.


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United Nations requests US$700 million in aid for East Africa to avoid famine

September 20, 2008

The United Nations has called for wealthy donor nations to donate US$700 million (£382 million or €484 million) in emergency aid for Eastern Africa to prevent widespread famine. Since the start of 2008 the number of people living in hunger in the region has almost doubled to seventeen million, according to the UN.

UN emergency relief co-ordinator John Holmes states that food levels are dangerously low in much of Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Northern Kenya and Uganda. The area, known as the 'Horn of Africa', has seen drought, war and high food prices all worsen the situation. Holmes has warned that the levels of those in need could rise still further.

A total of $1.4 billion is to be raised for the period from now to the year's end, but at least $716 million of that remains to be found. "We may need significant funds after that period - this is not the end of the story," warned Holmes.

"We can avoid the situations of the 1980s and the 1990s which were genuine famines at different times. But we do need extra resources, very quickly indeed if we are going to avoid going back to famine situations," he said. He says Ethiopia and Somalia are in the worst states, with six million Ethiopians requiring emergency support and 43% of Somalia's population in a similar predicament.

He described locals saying that the situation has never been as bad since 1928, when vast amounts of livestock died. They say rain is needed within the next few months if there is to be any grazing and cereal crops are impossible in the near future, it being well into 2009 before anything may be ready to harvest.

The number of hungry people in the world rose by 75 million last year to 925 million. The UN Food and Agriculture Organisation says high food prices are to blame for the crisis.


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Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 11:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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It is useful to have the sources to hand, though, in case some yutz comes back at you with "well, homeopathy not working is just your opinion". ;) --Killing Vector (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hopefully Sarah Palin has learned how to better operate her email accounts, and has learned a lesson about conducting state affairs on a non-DOD computer and/or CAC reader. If anyone out there has there email password/security words setup like this, please change them as soon as possible. --Biqas (talk) 13:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Politicans, learn your lesson from this:
Maybe Governor Palin had nothing that would "derail" her campaign, but it could be worse if this happens again to any other politican running for any office, whether they be Republican, Democrat, or any other party. Sometimes, your private life can be what ultimately ruins you in the end. I mean, look at Mark Foley, who just got cleared (FOR NO GOOD REASON) of sending e-mails and such to underage congressional pages...which is totally stupid because they KNOW he did it. Ah, what the helium. --  M  (speak/spoken) 18:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Why was she allowed to use a yahoo account to conduct state business? That is purely incompetent, what was she trying to hide through bypassing channels which could be investigated by the government? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.155.102 (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Scientists to study near-death experiences

September 20, 2008

An international study, Awareness during Resuscitation experiment (Aware), will examine near-death experiences involving 1,500  cardiac arrest survivors in about 25 centers in the US and Britain. The study is coordinated by the Human Consciousness Project at the University of Southampton, which specializes in studying the  human brain,  consciousness and  death.

The research, expected to take three years, will analyze whether people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences. Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff, hearing voices telling them to return to the living world and others feel a tremendous sense of peace and well-being.

During the study, doctors will use technology to study the brain and consciousness during cardiac arrest. To test whether such experiences involve the mind leaving the body, pictures will be placed around the areas of the hospital where heart attacks occur most frequently, such as accident and emergency and intensive care units. The pictures will only be visible from above. If patients are able to describe these pictures, project leaders argue that scientists will have to rethink how they understand the mind.

"There could be great benefits from this research for the future," said Penny Satori, an Intensive care nurse, who leads the project at Morriston Hospital. "As well as helping surviving patients psychologically after a trauma, it can give peace of mind to grieving families.


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No evidence of engine fire at Aeroflot-Nord Flight 821 crash site

September 20, 2008

Investigators have announced that there is no evidence of an engine fire in the wreckage of, which crashed on September 14 in , killing the 88 on board. This contradicts earlier eyewitness statements which say one engine was aflame when the crashed.

Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) says the engines kept operating up until impact. They also confirm the plane did not break up in the air. Instead, the investigation focus has shifted to some unusual movements that records indicate were made by the pilot.

As announced earlier this week, the plane began to ascend instead of descend as it was cleared to do during final approach. After executing a procedure, the 737-500 then turned in the wrong direction before crashing.

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Marriott Hotel in Islamabad bombed

September 20, 2008

The Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan was bombed today killing at least 60 people and injuring 120.

The explosion, believed to be a car or truck bomb and heard 30 km (18 miles) away in Rawalpindi, occurred at 8 P.M. PDT (14:00 UTC), just hours after newly elected President Asif Ali Zardari addressed Parliament promising to destroy terrorism in the country.

It is thought that more than a ton of explosives were used in the blast, which left a crater 30 feet deep and triggered a gas leak which sent the hotel up in flames. It is feared that the death toll may go much higher in what is one of the worst terror attacks in Pakistan's history.

The Marriott is a popular place for foreigners to stay and a prominent enterprise in the city, despite a wave of violence the country suffers.

The hotel had been victim of another attack in January 2007 where a security guard was killed and several people injured after the guard blocked a bomber from getting at the hotel, forcing him to detonate his explosives where he was.

Ambulances rushed to the scene of today's explosion, where rescuers ferried away the dead. Dozens of vehicles were gutted by fire, nearby trees were knocked down, and windows shattered in buildings hundreds of metres away. Witnesses, including a security guard, described a large truck approaching the building immediately before the explosion.

No-one has yet claimed responsibility for the bombing, but the main suspects are Pakistan Taleban who operate in the north-west of the country.

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South African President Thabo Mbeki agrees to resign

September 20, 2008

South African President Thabo Mbeki has agreed to a call from the ruling African National Congress to resign.

The ANC announced earlier today that it wanted Mbeki, 66, to resign after two days of talks. He was just months from completing his full term of office, but is caught up in allegations that he influenced a corruption case being brought against rival and ANC leader Jaco Zuma.

Zuma was cleared of all charges on September 12, with the court ruling that Mbeki's regime had interfered. Mbeki and others deny this.

Half of the cabinet is reported to be threatening to walk out if Mbeki does leave. He has called a special government meeting tomorrow to decide how to continue with his removal.

It is unknown who will be named interim ruler by parliament, but it may be Zuma. He may also stand for election to President.


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"It is thought that ... It is feared ..." neither of these are attributed to anyone -- Netscr1be (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The article states "The Marriot [sic] is a popular place for foreigners to stay and the most prominent US-owned enterprise in the city, despite a wave of violence the country suffers." The hotel is not US-owned. It is a franchised business owned by Hashoo Group, a Pakistani company owned by Sadruddin Hashwani, a Pakistani businessman. Marriott is simply the franchise the hotel is run under. ++75.131.161.173 03:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you by any chance have a realiable source that says that. I did a quick search but nothing came up. Thanks --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)re

 * The Hashoo Group's website is offline, possibly due to the events this story is about. You can find mentions here, here, here, and here.   The last link is of special note.  It is documentation of an interview with Mr Hashwani himself.  One of the questions specifically asks him about establishing a hotel chain in his country.  ++75.131.161.173 04:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually here is the original New York Times source. It appears it was an advertisement, but that has no bearing on the facts we are discussing.  The other link was a copy of the article pasted into a forum. ++75.131.161.173 05:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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I have reverted an edit which required the addition of a source dated the 21st to substantiate it. I appreciate the article is not very old, but it is dated the 20th. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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I hope Pakistan new President can really fight the terrorist.--KDP3 (talk) 17:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Me too KDP3, and the US threat to its sovreignty along its borders, we don't need another illegal war. 78.148.133.109 22:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Well I differ on what were doing in Pakistan. --66.229.17.181 22:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Why cant we all just get along? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.25.133 (talk) 02:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Tell it to the US who thinks it can bully its way into peoples countries, it's unjust, Pakistan had a right to defend itself I think it hypocritical that they can attack and kill civilians (many of whom are women and children) and then claim that they were doing the "right thing". 78.148.99.27 13:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

 * so what happen if Bin Laden was their? And you someone who clearly looks the other way when the Terrorist bomb someone. But by God if the US try to kill one of this mother frackers, NO EVIL AMERICANS. In short you are a effing idiot. --66.229.17.181 15:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

bombing at marrriet hotel Islamabad
This is just unhuman and we all regret this event.No one has the right to kill innocent people.we being muslims must have the courage to cope with the persons having difdferent deas and point of views.

I personally apologize to all the sufferings.May Allah give them courage to face this tragedy