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Judge in Nebraska says thou shalt not sue God

October 17, 2008 A judge in Nebraska has dismissed a lawsuit that was filed against 'God' saying that no address can be located to serve the higher power the court papers.

"Given that this court finds that there can never be service effectuated on the named defendant this action will be dismissed with prejudice," said Judge Marlon Polk. In 2007, Nebraska state Senator Ernie Chambers, who represents legislative District 11 in North Omaha, filed the lawsuit on Friday September 18. According to court documents obtained by Wikinews, Chambers had decided to sue God, looking for a judge to issue a "permanent injunction" against the highest power.

Chambers said in his suit that God has spread fear across the globe causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants. [God also caused] fearsome floods, horrendous hurricanes, earthquakes, plagues, famine, genocidal wars, birth defects, terrifying tornadoes and the like", and he wants the courts to order God "to cease certain harmful activities and the making of terroristic threats."

Chambers is examining Polk's ruling and has not yet decided if he will file an appeal. Chambers says that "God knows everything", and therefore is well aware of the lawsuit that was filed against the higher power. Chambers also states that the court acknowledged his existence which "is a recognition of God's omniscience."

"The court itself acknowledges the existence of God. Since God knows everything, God has notice of this lawsuit," said Chambers.

If Chambers decides to appeal the decision, he must do so within 30 days of the Judge's ruling.

The suit was an apparent retaliation for a 2007 ruling where the words 'rape' and 'victim' were banned from a criminal case involving a sexual assault incident. The woman who was assaulted, Tory Bowen, filed a lawsuit against Jeffrey Cheuvront, a district judge in the city of Lancaster when he banned the use of those words in her criminal case. Chambers says that her lawsuit is "frivolous" and he filed his suit to show people that "anybody can sue anybody."

"This lawsuit having been filed and being of such questionable merit creates a circumstance where my lawsuit is appropriately filed. People might call it frivolous but if they read it they'll see there are very serious issues I have raised," stated Chambers in 2007.


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it says the article is published but there is no good review written down? idk --72.73.92.172 18:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
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Second pipeline blast hits Canadian region

October 17, 2008

Today in Dawson Creek, Canada, at 9:15 a.m. local time, police reported that two gas pipeline bombs have now hit the area.

As a result of these incidents, local residents are now concerned for their safety. The two explosions were targeting gas pipelines operated by EnCana near the British Columbia – Alberta border.

The most recent blast was discovered yesterday, and the reports show that terrorists weren’t involved in this incident. Despite this, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) have stated that they have brought in their terrorism unit to help investigate the incident, as the bombs targeted the province’s infrastructure.

The latest explosion site was discovered on Thursday by the pipeline workers, and the fact that the explosion resembles another pipeline blast in the area earlier this month which has caused the residents to be worried. The explosion damaged the pipeline, but it was quickly sealed by the workers as reported by the officials.

Investigators are looking to find a link between these two explosions, and have asked the residents not to panic.


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This is brilliant. It reads like something from The Onion. --128.243.253.112 14:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== I think the judge who wants to sue God is wasting his time.God will not appear in court,at least not inperson ,as for the plages ,hurricanes ,there is nothing we can do to stop them,as for the famini ==

we can always do something at least a little bit,I say this because the judge is concerned about it and is one of the reason he wants to sue God.I repeate he is wasting his time, there are more issues we should get busy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.160.135.225 (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not a judge that wants to sue God, it's a state Senator.

Similarity to Satan case
There was a similar result in a much earlier court case, in which someone tried to sue Satan for calamities in his own life. The result was identical: since Satan could not be served, he could not be sued. (In addition, the judge stated that the case had the potential to be a class action lawsuit comprising the whole of humanity, and as such was not correctly placed in that jurisdiction.)

The plaintiff is correct in stating that since God is omniscient, He has notice. However, is under the jurisdiction of that particular court?

The obvious countersuit by God is that, having created man in a perfect world and given him free will, it was man's choices that caused these catastrophes, and ruined the perfect world He made. --75.173.52.13 04:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The obvious counter-counter suit is that this world has never been perfect. -Aless.mac (talk) 09:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

 * If the world was perfect, wasn't it reckless to put people onto it when there was a known high risk? True, Adam & Eve got themselves thrown out but 1) was the censorship of knowledge by God correct? 2) were the consequences of abuse, specifically the imperilment of their lives, adequatly explained? and 3) what justification was there for leaving all the offspring, ultimatly comprising all humanity, to suffer the same fate.

 * Perhaps a better reason why there is no point suing God is that, since there is no contact with Heaven, whatever they use as a currency up there is not acceptable down here - no payouts, altough you could get that injunction; then again, how would that be enforced? As an interesting asside, since God is immaterial here and mankind legally holds the material goods until death, meaning God owns nothing here, does he qualify for legal aid? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow...
What a waste of time and tax money... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.70.7 (talk) 16:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was the whole idea. The guy who filed this suit was trying to force the government to make changes to the legal system to stop stupid lawsuits like this from being filed. He just did this to show that anyone can sue anyone for any reason. It's a protest suit;). Gopher65talk 16:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

God isn't the causing the issues you proclaim, you (man/woman/child) are causing the problems.
You proclaim to know God Almighty, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, and yet you are profoundly misinformed and to make an obvious point, I feel it is safe to state that you, sir, are not an avid reader of the Bible.

Romans Ch. 12 Vs. 2

An be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what IS that good, and acceptable and perfect, will of GOD.

Romans Ch. 14 Vs. 4

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

I John Ch. 3 Vs. 1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD; therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.

I John Ch. 4 Vs. 4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I will pray for God to touch your heart.

You should read the Bible daily, and then you'll see (open your eyes, renew your mind). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.8.82 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thou Shalt Not Sue God...
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Just another sign that this country is rapidly deteriorating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.250.165.138 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
Wait a minute... There was lawsuit where the words "rape" and "victim" could not be used? And a judge ruled in favor of that? Man, are we stupid. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The judge didn't 'rule in favor' of that, it was his rule that the words 'rape' and 'victim' could not be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.20.214 (talk) 13:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The reasoning for judge's rule (hopefully) was to prevent emotional bias and to shift the focus to the evidence from what is essentially rabble-rousing. The words "rape" and "victim" carry strong emotional values to them and are loaded as defendants are assumed innocent until proven otherwise.  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_language and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion.  Stevenchartis (talk) 17:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

the non-existent one cannot be sued, only can be praised


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= Can production line businesses realistically accommodate a varying prayer schedule? =

No they can't
As long as there are religious ideas holding back any society they are going to upset the people that realize they are ridiculous. Mexicans are hard workers; Christians and Muslims are hard worshipers. It's sad that at this day and age we still have people in the world adhering to ancient texts that make no sense. Science has prevailed and it's time to let go of ALL BAD TRADITIONS. Please people go read your bibles and then look at what science has discovered since it was written. Any semi-intelligent person will hopefully see that it's not only silly but irresponsible to continue grasping to these ideals for EMOTIONAL reasons

Your probably an atheist. If it wasn't for the bible science would not be!!! Where did all the Ologies come from? Please stop insulting people. You need to learn a lesson about the BIBLE, please read it before you comment...

Can't Accommodate
I've never worked on an assembly line, but I've worked as a short order cook in a restaurant. And let me tell you, if someone came along and demanded (demanded!) that they have a break at sunset (right in the middle of our busiest time), they'd have been fired on the spot. It's different in an office environment, or even at a construction site, because in such places you can take a break any time you want. In some jobs that just isn't true.

What about hospital workers? Many of our doctors are being imported from southern/western Asia right now, because of a shortage here. What happens if you end up with a hospital where all the doctors are Muslim? Would they all walk off the job in the middle of surgery just because it happens to be sundown? I sure as heck hope not.

It's frightening how beholden to their outdated religion these people are. Islam needs to evolve like other religions have (started to), or it will eventually be swept aside by a changing world. Those who don't adapt, die. That's just the way things are. Gopher65talk 16:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Graveyard Shift
I say let them work the graveyard shift.. No worry's about sunsets, or dinner, I don't think prayers happen in the middle of the night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.70.245 (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Prayer times can be adjusted in some situations
Looks like a lot of people only wanted an excuse to criticize religion, and/or Islam. Islam is actually very adaptable. That is one of the reasons it is so common over such areas. Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism are the major missionary religions and are all very adaptable. In this case it may or may not fit the requirements to adjust the timing for prayers but in other cases they are allowed to be adjusted; there are various rules for this, but basically if you are prevented from completing it properly then you must wait until you can do it properly. This conflict is just being depicted this way to deflect attention from some other work conflicts I think. 68.210.66.81 04:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Work is a work, There is a saying if you were in Rome do what the Romans do...you are in the US were time is important and we should segregate the time of job and prayer...but if praying as per one's religous observance in the Business field in the US, production will be lost. If you pray 5X then what will be your production output..other doing this things just to escape from work load..job is job they should remember that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El gringo (talk • contribs) 15:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


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Police fight police in Brazil protest

October 17, 2008

Brazilian police participating in a protest march in São Paulo found themselves under attack from military police last night. Clothed as civilians, the officers were striking against low wages and protesting human rights violations by the government when rubber bullets, stun grenades and tear gas were fired at them.

The civil police officers had been on strike for a month, demanding a 15% pay increase. They had hoped their demands for a meeting with the governor would be met during the demonstration.

The attacks started as the demonstrators and strikers met a police barricade blocking the Palacio dos Bandeirantes, the city's government center, where the governor was working. The governor responded by ordering the riot police on the demonstrators, and later defended himself by accusing many of the marchers of not being police officers but 'political opportunists'.

At least 22 people were injured, including a police negotiator who was treated in a nearby hospital. One officer was wounded by a shot in the leg.

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Apple users criticize lack of FireWire port on MacBook

October 17, 2008 Users of Apple Computer's MacBook computers have criticized Apple for failing to include a FireWire port in its newest release of its basic laptop. The users expressed the anger at the popular company with hundreds of messages posted on Apple's official forum, in the minutes after the announcement to remove the FireWire port was made by Steve Jobs. Russ Tolman was one of the first people to complain about the issue. "I work in a large school district that doesn't like Macs. One thing that has allowed us to keep them has been the ability to image them with firewire ports," he stated. "In my unknowledgeable opinion Apple really screwed up with no Firewire port. Schools without much money will be moving to cheap PC's."

Apple's MacBook Pro computers will continue to have a FireWire port, although cost significantly more than the MacBook.

Apple responded to these criticisms in a statement by saying that "Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2." While camcorders are a popular FireWire peripheral, FireWire is used for a variety of other devices.

Apple's press release did not mention the fact the FireWire was removed from the MacBook, although it did mention that the MacBook Pro has one FireWire port.

The MacBook Pro costs US$ 1,999, while the standard MacBook costs $1,299.


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Lost tomb of 'Gladiator' real life Roman inspiration found

October 17, 2008

The long-lost tomb of Marcus Nonius Macrinus, the inspiration of the character Maximus Decimus Meridius in Ridley Scott's popular film 'Gladiator', was discovered off the ancient Via Flaminia road in Rome this Thursday.

Pieces of the tomb first began to emerge from the ground during construction for a residential complex along the Tiber River's banks.

The archaeological finding was "the most important ancient Roman monument to come to light for 20 or 30 years", said Daniela Rossi, who was a top member of the effort in finding the tomb. The Superintendent of Archaeology in Rome, Angelo Bottini, described the tomb as "a monument of great beauty".

Cristiano Ranieri led the effort along with other archaeologists, who are still working hard to fully uncover the site. The team hopes to find the sarcophagus of the ancient hero among the sprawling tomb.

Marble columns fifteen meters wide, inscriptions, decorations, writings and other priceless treasures have been preserved thanks to an ancient flood from the Tiber River.

The massive tomb details the life of the ancient gladiator through ten inscriptions, whose history differed greatly from the movie's version. The two had only shared being close friends and generals of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius. The historical version of the character had lived on to become wealthy and famous, while the character played by Russell Crowe had a tragic ending.

Plans are underway to turn the area into the Via Flaminia Archaeological Park, with the tomb as the central attraction.


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After looking over the article, I have some comments (note: I'm seperate from reviewer up above) Bawolff ☺☻
 * its unclear from the bbc article if they mean a row of columns that go on for 15m, or a 15m wide column. (although a 15m - 49.2 ft wide column is huge).
 * headline and second last paragraph are slightly confusingly worded, but i can't think of anything better so i can't complain.
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Spanish airline LTE suspends all flights

October 17, 2008 Spanish budget air carrier LTE International Airways has suspended all of their flights due to financial trouble. Around 800 passengers have been stranded by the move and are being accommodated in hotels while alternative transport is arranged.

The airline was founded in 1987 and has been known as both LTU and Volar Airlines in the past. The company's fleet of seven Airbus A320 aircraft were used for scheduled and chartered passenger services, and available for lease to other businesses.

"LTE is doing everything to minimize the impact of this suspension of services on its clients and providers. After 20 years operating with maximum dedication to our clients it just was not possible to avoid this situation given world events lately," read a statement on LTE's website. The airline flew from Spain to destinations such as Italy, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom.

The news comes just one day after Spanish airline FlySur, Andalusia's first airline, filed for bankruptcy after just forty-five days. The airline's one plane had at times flown with just one passenger.


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'Mobile phone dermatitis' linked to nickel deposits

October 17, 2008 The British Association of Dermatologists (BAD) has released a report saying that an illness they named 'mobile phone dermatitis', in which individuals owning a cell phone have developed a rash on the side of their face, is likely linked to nickel deposits in the metal of some cellular phones. Nickel has been known to cause rashes on those who have a sensitivity to, or are allergic to the metal. Nickel is also mixed with other metals to make jewelry.

The Association says that the condition is likely to affect people who spend too much time talking on the phone. They found that those who spend too much time text messaging or talking for long periods on the phone, were most likely to develop a rash, sometimes severe, on their face and ears, or the tips of their fingers.

Tests in January, performed on 22 cellular phones by scientists at Brown University in Rhode Island located in the United States, had found that just under half, a total of 10, contained nickel while the rest had rubber buttons and a plastic case. Initially the rashes were unexplained, and researchers could not find a reason why so many individuals began to experience the symptoms. In most cases the rashes were untreatable.

"Cell phones intended for rugged use ... often have rubber coating and no surface nickel. Those with more fashionable designs often have metallic accents and are more likely to contain free nickel in their casings," said Lionel Bercovitch MD., one of the researchers, in a report in the journal for the Canadian Medical Association on January 1, 2008.

Researchers also state that although some people may not be allergic to nickel, "prolonged" and continuous exposure to it can cause severe reactions.

"Prolonged or repetitive contact with a nickel-containing phone is more likely to cause a skin reaction in those who are allergic," said BAD dermatologist Dr. Graham Lowe in a press release. In the United Kingdom alone, BAD says nearly 30% of the population suffers from rashes brought on by prolonged exposure to the metal.

The researchers also recommend individuals to buy swab test kits to test for traces of nickel.


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Why would one pay that much mark up for a MacBook anyway? Oh, you say it's made by Apple? Well then... 24.30.16.34 01:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Firewire OK, but many modern alternatives
While I personally own and use many FireWire devices, some dating back to 1998, I can see why Apple is not including it in its lowest-end MacBook. Today, USB 2.0 and Gigabit Ethernet have supplanted FireWire's role for high-speed connectivity to consumer devices like Hard Drives, Video/Still Cameras, and peer-to-peer computing. For the low-end, I see this as a way of keeping costs down, without sacrificing much in terms of usability. If you still need the functionality of FireWire 400 in a portable computer, then chances are, you need the power of the more expensive professional Apple notebook, the MacBook Pro, which includes the much faster FireWire 800 standard for use with FireWire Raid solutions for HD and uncompressed SD video.

Overall, I don't understand the gripping. As good as FireWire is, the sad reality is that USB 2.0 has supplanted FireWire 400 as the "cheap n' easy" high speed peripheral connector on consumer-based devices, hence why most consumer external Hard Drives and Video camcorders are USB only. I prefer FireWire 400 to USB 2, but in the scheme of things, this is no different than Apple deciding to not include floppy-drives in its machines. FireWire 400 is on the road to slow oblivion, the way the floppy drive and SCSI 1 through 3 have already fallen. Better to allow the cheapest Mac notebook remain cheap and functional, than overpriced with an interface rarely encountered by the majority of consumers. Only us "professionals" still require FireWire 400 for backward compatibility.Cineaste (talk) 17:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Jobs motivation
Firewire technology was developed originally by Apple around 1995. This was while Jobs was away, in fact I believe after NeXt. So...

Jobs removed firewire because he doesn't like things he didn't originate. This sort of thing has happened before with him I think (?where?).

I am not loving Apple much in their activities the last few years.

-- A mac user and fan, California, 05:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)~

Apple use good or undecided
Would it be convinient to buy a Macbook? For school use or instead use another brand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.80.72.253 (talk) 14:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


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oldnews and Bashir article
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Indian aviation sector hit by financial trouble; domestic traffic at five-year low

October 18, 2008

The Indian aviation sector looks set to shrink amid financial turmoil, with the nation's air carriers in schemes to try and ride out the problems and domestic air traffic at a five year low.

Air traffic has fallen by 19% in September, the fourth month in a row of negative growth. The news comes as a joint result of the current financial crisis and high jet fuel prices, with Indian airlines in debt to the tune of Rs1,800 crore after surpassing their credit limits with oil companies, who are themselves making losses due to government controls on the price of jet fuel.

Kingfisher Red - originally known as Air Deccan, India's first budget carrier, until Kingfisher Airlines bought the company out - suffered the biggest drop in passenger numbers at 20% of their load factor. Flag carrier Air India is running at 53% of capacity after a 10% fall, and the average for airlines is now 55% as opposed to 65% this time last year.

Kingfisher Airlines has decided to enter an alliance with Jet Airlines that will see them collectively control half the Indian aviation market. Both airlines are in debt over fuel payments with Jet owing Rs850 crore while Kingfisher refused to disclose the amount they needed to pay. The money is owed mainly to the Indian Oil Corporation, with the rest owed to the Hindustan Petroleum Corporation and the Bharat Petroleum Corporation. 45% of costs for Indian carriers is fuel, which is 70% more expensive than abroad due to multiple taxes.

Air India's head Raghu Menon expressed concern about what the Kingfisher-Jet alliance meant for his own airline. "We were competing with both these airlines separately. Now we'll be competing with them perhaps as one entity. It'll be a challenge," he said.

Kingfisher have cancelled an order for three A340 aircraft from European airframer Airbus. Airbus executive John Leahy said that Airbus had discussed the issue with Kingfisher before the choice was made and that this was the only cancellation from India. He also maintains that India will be an important area for Airbus, with the firm predicting Indian aviation growth will be at 9.7% compared to a global rate of 5.4%. Airbus predict that 1,000 new aircraft will increase the Indian fleet fivefold by 2026. Airbus have also welcomed the partnership between Jet and Kingfisher, saying it will help consolidate the carriers.

Airlines are cutting capacity to reduce costs, with around 20% gone already. Average flight movements are down to 8,000 a week compared to 10,500 in the period from April to June. The aviation industry in India is expected to post a collective loss of US$2 billion.

One executive at Boeing, Dinesh Keskar, predicted the downfall to be brief. “The current downturn in the sector is temporary and may not prolong for more than 6 to 9 months,” he said. Airlines, however, feel that the risk is very much immediate; Jet and Kingfisher are requesting a government bailout package worth Rs 40.7 billion. They are currently losing a combined US$1.3 billion.


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That the coming weeks will be when we really start to see a lot of stories like this. It's coming soon, and it looks like now may be the start of the rush in collapses within aviation. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


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Iran to stop executing children

October 18, 2008 The government of Iran has announced that it intends to stop executing children who commit crimes in its country.

The announcement was made by Hossein Zabhi, the Iranian assistant Attorney General for Judicial Affairs, who issued directions for judges, saying that they should no longer issue the death penalty for minors.

The announcement was also broadcast by the Iranian state-run news agency.

Human Rights Campaigners welcomed the move. They say that the Convention on the Rights of the Child bans child executions. The convention states that all governments must recognize that "every child has the inherent right to life."

Although welcoming the move, Amnesty International stated that "the Iranian authorities should release the text of the directive and make clear that they intend to uphold their international human rights obligations by including cases of those convicted of murder in this ban." The human rights group said that it did not know if the ban on executions extended to murder cases.

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Not all crimes
According to this article from the Press Association, the ban will only cover U18 drug convicts - U18 murderers will still face the death penalty if the relatives of the victim demands it. AndrewRT (talk) 23:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Polish exercise book advertisement copies Wikipedia content, violates copyright

October 24th, 2008 On August 21, the Polish weekly Przekrój published an advertisement for Dan-Mark exercise books, bearing the logo of 4fun.tv, a Polish music/interactive TV station. Part of the advertisement contained a definition of the word "exercise book". The wording looked familiar, and Wikinews consulted Wikipedia, the collaborative online encyclopedia.

Upon seeing the Wikipedia definition, it appeared that the entry quoted in the promotional material was identical to the initial two paragraphs of the relevant Wikipedia entry.

Freelance reporters for the Polish Wikinews decided to find out the reason for such a similarity and whether either of the texts (the advertisement's or Wikipedia's) might be a case of copyright violation.

The reporters contacted a Jarosław Janas, Creative Director of 4fun.tv., where the ad appeared. His reply included the following claim:

The text of the definition has been taken from an encyclopedic publication which is older than 50 years and therefore not subject to copyright protection. The fact of coincidental similarity cannot be considered equal to plagiarism, because as we all know Wikipedia is a place which publishes texts and definitions that have already existed in different forms in other publications released before.

Copyright on text does not last for fifty years as claimed by Janas, but for 70 years after the death of the author.

To investigate the authenticity of the above claims, Wikinews asked the main author of the two paragraphs in question, Wikipedian Julo, about the sources used to write the entry. He confirmed that he had written the text in question, and not copied it from an encyclopedic publication as claimed by Jana.

It is therefore impossible that both Julo and the people responsible for the exercise book advertisement have used the same uncopyrighted encyclopedia, thus coincidentally creating identical texts. The reporters also noted that the first draft of the introduction to the article was written by WaldemarWolskiHuta (February 2006). Afterward the text had undergone some modifications by Julo (September 2006), as well as Picus viridis and Beno (March 2008). However, the text presented in the press promotional material, which - according to 4fun.tv - came from an old-print encyclopedia is identical to the Wikipedia entry after the changes mentioned above had been made. Julo added that he was still alive, together with the other authors of the article in question who constituted the group of the copyright co-holders. This naturally led to a conclusion that neither 50 nor 70 years could have passed since their death. He left 4fun.tv's actions with a comment that although the contents he and the other Wikimedians had made public and free, they are far from making them available in any "free style", but under a specified license.

In follow up messages to Jarosław Janas, Wikinews reporters confronted the creative director over his seemingly inaccurate claims.

Wikinews was told in a reply that 4fun.tv would ignore the claims unless they see permission from the author of the original content to investigate this story. They were also informed that further e-mails without any specifics sent by the reporter would be qualified as spam. 4fun.tv's creative director further added that he found the reporter's picture on the Internet and asked how the person would feel if this picture was to appear on billboards or press releases that advertised the TV station.

Wikipedia does allow copying of its content under certain conditions. The encyclopedia's content is released under the GNU Free Documentation License, which means that it can be copied, modified, and used commercially and non-commercially - under the conditions that the license's text is included with the copied content and the five main authors are mentioned. If a part of the article is used, like in the example quoted in this news story, a "right to quote", recognized by Polish law, may be used. In such a case it suffices to mention the source of the text (Polish Wikipedia) and the author of the excerpt. 4fun.tv met none of these conditions, meaning that copyright has been violated.

Over a year ago Polish Wikinews reported on a similar problem, regarding the use of free-licensed photographs. Since that time such "borrowings" have become less frequent, however photos are still being used in discordance with the license. Journalists have gotten used to citing sources, e.g. Wikipedia, although licensing conditions require attributing the actual author, not the source. So instead of attributing John Doe for his contribution, agencies like Polska Agencja Prasowa (Polish Press Agency) are attributing the source, Wikipedia.

In early September 2008 a similar situation occurred in relation to the Polish edition of Wiktionary. Gazeta Wyborcza, a Polish daily, published an IKEA advertisement, on the opening page of which an almost word-for-word Wiktionary entry was placed; additionally the advertisement used the characteristic MediaWiki layout. The reference to the external source used was missing.

In April 2008, an example of an Australian professor was cited; the scientist, in a reply to a news story, quoted a Wikipedia definition almost word-for-word. The same professor condemned the use of Wikipedia in his previous press appearances.

In 2005 Wikipedia material was discovered in the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel, which acknowledged its fault and published appropriate apologies in place of the article in the online edition.

Frontline magazine in 2007 was found using an image from Wikipedia without proper credit. When pointed out the magazine acknowledged the failing and a correction was promptly given in the subsequent issue.


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Comments:Iran to stop executing children

When did they start?

Oh, wow, what a concession on Iran's part, huh?? twisted psychopaths. --85.82.179.226 18:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

"its," not "it's"
Basically correct grammar in lead articles: pro or con? Sound off! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.29.128 (talk) 20:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

It sickens me it took until 2008, its about time they get with the program called reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ugh...how could they execute children in the first place? But let's not forget guys. Even wonderful America executes children! It's far rarer but in many states it is legal to try minors as adults, including executing a minor for 'murder'. --Poisonous (talk) 02:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Source please Mr.Poisonous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Poisonous, I think executing a 16 year old for multiple counts of first degree murder is different than executing little kids for lesser crimes. I dont know if your american or not, but in the American system, children under the age of 12 cant be charged with a crime. Children over the age of 16 can be charged as adults in extreme cases, but comparing that to India isnt even close..--MasterRyu (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * lol why isn't it "even close" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.158.163.70 (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you not read 216? Or do you not think theres a difference between executing someone very near the age of adulthood for something like murder, and executing a little kid for a mucher lesser crime?--MasterRyu (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is not the same, but I wouldn't say that it isn't even close. It is very close. And trying to compare people's lives quantitatively like that in the first place is a little disgusting actually. --85.82.179.226 21:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Who's comparing what to India, MasterRyu? Wait, brown people, I gotcha! --99.224.209.50 —Preceding comment was added at 17:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, the U.S. does not execute minors. --+Deprifry+ 17:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And Deprifry wins the internets! Thats what I get for not doing enough research. +1 to you good sir.--MasterRyu (talk) 17:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow!
Should this mean that the US should also follow in this or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.166.170 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The United States does not execute children, although they only outlawed it in 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.57.57 (talk) 00:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh... So, that means that the iranians are... what? Three years late?
 * Amazing... So, basically there's no difference between the US and Iran...
 * How... quaint...
 * They're shoulder to shoulder in the Global Peace Index, they both have religious fanatics running the country... I see a marriage with a HOT HOT HOT!! honeymoon...

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.33.94.133 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

i think th9ey should stop the ssecutionsBold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.254.225.254 (talk) 15:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

death of children for minor crimes
I dont think that little kids should die because they stole some bread or something so minor. These kids are what 3-14 they are starving they need some food to. And no offense but If we elect mr Oboma he will take the troops out and all those little kids will die because the terorists are going to kill them. Siriously Oboma its like you having your kids die from starvation or terrorist attacks. They wake up every day not knowing if they will survive. And our people buying the bigest houses and the nicest cars when people in iraq are dieing from car side bombs and terrerosts busting into there house and killing them so thanks rich people for really suporting us. I hope some day I will be just like one of those brave troops helping the cause. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.152.227 (talk) 00:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Are you from Bizarro world or something? What the hell was that? I can't make a single cogent point out of that pile of half-thought out sentences, and blatant inaccuracies. There are no troops in Iran... 72.154.53.126 15:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He's five, and the keyboard is too big for him. He should have a Fisher Price computer that can't get on the Internets... Just like George W. Bush. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


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Russia asks Iceland for details of bank rescue plan before giving loan

October 18, 2008

Russia has requested Iceland give them more details of the island nation's plan to rescue the banking sector and thus the entire national economy before granting them a loan.

Two weeks ago, Iceland's banking sector collapsed and was largely nationalised. Icelandic banks are in significantly more debt than the country can afford, and the nation may seek assistance from the International Monetary Fund. A decision on whether to involve the IMF is due within a week.

As for Russia, a senior Russian government source is reported by Reuters as having said "At the current moment, we do not yet have enough reasons to give them credit. We did not refuse. We are continuing the talks." Forbes quoted him as having also said "'We asked them to collect more information and present a rescue plan for the banking system."

Meanwhile, there is some optimism in Iceland over the economy. It is hoped by authorities that the lower exchange rate for the króna means that more tourists will be attracted. Bars and restaurants are also doing well. The manager of one bar explained: "Actually, when people get depressed they drink more."


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Talk:Polish exercise book advertisement copies Wikipedia content, violates copyright

Plagiarism is a serious allegation, having had my fingers burnt trying to track down one case against the UK's Daily Telegraph I'd want to see alleged copied text versus claimed WP original. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think we need to see that. If need be, I think a photo of the alleged text in the book, could be uploaded here as a Fair Use image. Honestly that would be the only evidence and or proof available so I would say its of great importance. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also the image available now, I cannot see as it's too big for my monitor and refuses to load. I can however see it in the article as it is sized. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:01, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a temporary problem with one of the upload.wikimedia.org server, let's resume this after it's been resolved. Wpedzich (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah yes...I forgot about that. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the uploaded scan shows clearly the point, also there's a link to pl.wiki available. Wpedzich (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it...but I also don't know Polish...If the exact text can be put here and translated or what not that would be great. Also, is this book in English at all? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a book, but a magazine which published an exercise book advertisement. I'll try to supplement the article with a translation. Wpedzich (talk) 11:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the translation really necessary? The scanned page of the magazine shows the text in question clearly, and the provided diff to the version of the article which was the source of the text can be sufficient proof that the Wikipedia entry was copied word-for-word --Wyksztalcioch (talk) 11:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A translation will not show the plagiarism, so those asking for that are wasting their time. The characters used in Polish do not differ that much from English to prevent a comparison of the word-for-word text. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Text is identical
I've just compared and they are practically identical (of the 30 odd words, there is just one none that differs)! It's obviously a case of either 4fun.tv having copied the polish Wikipedia's introductory paragraph (perhaps the older version so as to make it less noticable?) or both being copies of the same text/definition (perhaps a very old encyclopedia, as the Creative Director of 4fun.tv claims). ''This was a case of my misunderstanding the article: The magazine text is a copy of the most current version, and that most current version is the product of multiple users over a length of time. The article has not been edited this month.'' That's the most I can verify.  Guess I was wrong: I reckon it can be pretty surely claimed that the magazine copied from the polish Wikipedia. Sean Heron (talk) 15:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Edited: Sean Heron (talk) 16:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I reckon you/me/someone could bring this up with the Free Software Foundation, as far as I remember they are happy to sue to enforce their licences. Of course it would be better if a solution could be found with the publisher first: I think the newer versions of the FSF licences have provisions for remedying non compliance with them [the licence's]. Although I imagine writing the entire GFDL into the magazine is a non starter... (I think that's necessary, though I'm not sure). Which, of course is one reason we here are using the CC-by licence. (Obviously all would depend on the text being a copy of wikipedia).

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Please see the talk page of  Adam's bridge for details.--  T harikrish  Talk  05:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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There seems to be considerably disagreement above. Is this really ready for publication, given the serious allegations? --SVTCobra 01:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean, maybe I missed something, I read through the talk page but if there was disagreement, I missed it. --Poisonous (talk) 01:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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Since the issue appears to be lacking attribution (Which would make it legal under Polish law), wouldn't "plagiarizes" work better? 68.39.174.238 00:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Christ...
... the amateurism. Not only is this one of the embarrassing, biased meta-news articles that only appear on this site because no other media would even consider the story, the headline constitutes slander, a very serious offense. Was the publisher in question convicted of copyright violation? No I didn't think so. Then correct the article NOW before I have you sued! --85.82.179.226 08:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd love to see court papers served by 85.82.179.226! Put a name to your legal threats. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * A lack of conviction isn't slander when such evidence is produced. When I stand up in court and say "he did it!" it isn't slander even though it is not proven he did in fact do it. We are not reporting an allegation as fact but making one of our own, with proof for it published alongside. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 09:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * What, Wikinews is the court now? Not that I'd be surprised that you delusional wiki-nazi's would think that you have higher authority than the judicial system. --85.82.179.226 19:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I have a legal background, seing as you asked. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


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Lewis Hamilton wins 2008 Chinese Grand Prix

October 19, 2008

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton has won the FIA Formula One 2008 Sinopec Chinese Grand Prix at the Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai, China.

Starting from pole position Lewis stayed in full control of the race with a substantial gap ahead of his Ferrari counterparts. As Felipe Massa stayed after Kimi Räikkönen for most of the time losing hopes for his title prospect, he pushed on Kimi on the dying laps of the race and slipstreamed him 7 laps to go.

Fernando Alonso once again showed good form for Renault finishing fourth, same place as on the starting grid, ahead of both BMW Sauber's of Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica who started 7th and 12th.

Hamilton's teammate Heikki Kovalainen passed Alonso on the starting lap, but Alonso counterattacked and returned his 4th place not to lose it to the end of the race. Later Kovalainen tore his front tyre, changed it and retired to McLaren pits later on.

Timo Glock came seventh for Toyota starting behind Kubica. He replaced his teammate Jarno Trulli in the top eight as Jarno was taken out by STR-Ferrari of Sébastien Bourdais in the first corner on the first lap.

Alonso's younger teammate Nelson Piquet Jr. closed the top eight scoring one last point.

In the sight of the final round in Brazil Lewis Hamilton now has a perfect chances to win the championship with 94 points, 7 points ahead of Felipe Massa. Robert Kubica didn't performed well this weekend and lose all mathematical chances to win as well as the other drivers in the standings more than 10 points after Lewis. The 2-3 podium double allowed Ferrari to lead the Constructors' standings with 156 points, 11 points ahead of McLaren and 21 ahead of BMW.


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China's Premier recognises government responsibility in milk incident

October 19, 2008 In a rare one-on-one interview with the editor in chief of the journal Science Magazine published online on Friday, Wen Jiabao, Premier of the People's Republic of China, acknowledged that although companies were to blame, the government was also partially responsible in the recent melamine contamination of milk and infant formula from China.

"We feel that although problems occurred at the company, the government also has a responsibility," said the Premier. He added that testing requirements should be installed for all important steps in the production process, and that all food should meet international standards. Responsibility for food safety implementations will lie with the Chinese Ministry of Health.

The two-hour conversation between chief editor Bruce Alberts and Premier Wen already took place on September 30th. A Chinese version of the interview was published in the communist party newspaper People's Daily.

Earlier this week, batches of an injectable herbal medication based on ginseng were recalled after three people died. Wandashan Pharmaceutical all of its injectable herbal remedies. On Saturday, Taiwan suspended imports of a leavening agent used in baking because it tested positive for melamine.

In the milk incident, melamine was added to make the milk appear richer in protein. It caused an estimated 53,000 to become ill, mostly young children. The chemical can cause kidney stones and kidney failure.

However, the issues of China's food industry are only mentioned tangentially. The Premier spoke about social, economic and scientific issues facing his country. Wen explained his "scientific outlook on development", which tries to found social and economic progress for the people, in a sustainable fashion and with decreased disparities, on a scientific basis. An example is the use of transgenic crops in rural areas, which decreases the need for pesticides.

On the matter of fossil fuels, the Premier explained how "every year, China produces about 180 million tons of crude oil and imports about 170 million tons. China’s dependency on foreign oil is almost 50%. China’s coal production exceeds 2.5 billion tons a year. This kind of huge consumption of energy, especially non-renewable fossil fuel, will not be sustainable." He reiterated China's belief in the "common but differentiated responsibility" principle, in agreement with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and its Kyoto Protocol.

At the end of the interview, the Premier agreed that the scientific communities could build bridges between countries, even if their governments disagreed. "More scientific language and less diplomatic rhetoric could make this world even better," he concluded.

The 66-year-old engineer specialised in geomechanics began his second 5-year term as head of the cabinet last March. During his office, China witnessed highlights like the Olympics in Beijing and the recent Shenzhou 7 space launch, but also international criticism, for example on the situation in Tibet.


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Spanish prime minister speaks on economic crisis

October 20, 2008

In an interview with Público, a Spanish newspaper, the prime minister of Spain, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has stated that " if there is a global recession, it seems logical to expect that Spain will enter the recession in 2009 ." In the interview Zapatero also described the worldwide economic situation as "difficult." He recognized that " the developed countries are or are going to experience negative growth, and developing countries are also going to see falling growth; resulting in a worldwide loss of jobs."

Regarding the global financial situation, Zapatero continued by saying that "the financial system is a part of the economy, a crucial part. We have a year-long financial crisis, which has had its most acute moment in the past two months, and I think now the financial markets are beginning to recover."

Asked about whether it would be desirable to another plan to help those overwhelmed by the size of their mortgage, Zapatero reiterated the falls in the Euro Interbank Offered Rate.

Zapatero then claimed that the average Spanish citizen would see their mortgage decrease by €28 a month (€330 per year) as result of the recent drops in interest rate, lead by seven central banks, including the European Central Bank which covers Spain, dropped their interest rate by 0.5%.

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NASA mission to map the boundary of solar system

October 19, 2008

NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) to map the boundary between the solar system and interstellar space will be launched on a Pegasus XL rocket today. The two year mission, costing US$165 million, will study the region in space where the solar wind from the sun suddenly slows down as it reaches the thin, cold gas of interstellar space. This region, called the heliospheric boundary of the solar system, helps to deflect most of the potentially life-threatening forms of radiation coming from elsewhere in our galaxy.

IBEX will ride Pegasus to around 200 kilometres from earth, before boosting itself into its final earth orbit 322,000 kilometres away. The probe will capture energetic neutral atoms (ENAs), which are formed when positive ions in the solar wind hit neutral atoms of interstellar material and rip out electrons from them. IBEX-Lo and -Hi detectors will collect data on the ENAs to create a three-dimensional map of the heliosphere.

The heliospheric boundary was first probed by Voyager 1 in 2004 and later by  Voyager 2 in 2007. The data from the two missions indicated several indentations on the heliospheric boundary. It is hoped that IBEX studies may reveal the cause of these indentations.

Recent observations indicate the solar wind pressure has weakened by 25 percent over the past decade and is presently at its weakest level in 50 years. Ibex studies could help confirm whether and why the heliosphere is shrinking. Scientists postulate that if the heliosphere continues to weaken, the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the inner parts of our solar system, including earth will increase. This could trigger growing levels of disruption to electrical equipment, damage satellites and possibly harm life on earth.

"Around 90 per cent of the galactic cosmic radiation is deflected by our heliosphere, so the boundary protects us from this harsh galactic environment," said Nathan Schwadron, co-investigator on the IBEX mission at Boston University. "IBEX gives us a chance to look at how our Solar System's bubble fits in as a tiny piece of the entire Galaxy," claimed David McComas of the Southwest Research Institute in  San Antonio, Texas, and IBEX's principal investigator.


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Talk:Spanish prime minister speaks on economic crisis

This, "see their mortgage €28 a month (€330 per year)" does not make sense. Higher? Lower? what? --Brian McNeil / talk 18:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's decreasing by that amount. I just changed it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 18:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of the English in this is still of such a poor level that it should have been copyedited further prior to publication. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is the prime minister of Spain. A correction in the main page required.Thanks.--  T harikrish  Talk 08:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you english people do call him a PM. But it's odd cause in Spanish we say he's the President. But since wp:en also says he's the PM, then I guess I'll just stick to that :S - Julián (reply) 20:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Spanish prime minister speaks on economic crisis

LOL a year long crisis...no...no this is going until at least 2012. And the worst is yet to come.

"President"?
Spain is a constitutional monarchy... It has no president... Zapatero is the spanish Prime-Minister, not President. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.109.179 (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Necessary corrections done, except for the main page. Can someone look into that?.--  T harikrish  Talk 08:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Mr.Jose
Failed to realize under him, Spain became the sick man of Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

EU leading the way
I think it blasphemous to think that the EU will lead the way out of economic turmoil. It didn't happen last time, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened this time.

Tighten up, its a global problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.68.116 (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Fed up of big business.
I'm fed up with big businesses (in particular banks) which have caused all this mess. I reckon the top businesses of each country should have some kind of oversight made up by members of the public- not government owned, as they usually have their own agenda getting all their money from the lovely businesses. -Ronius (talk) 23:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is just as likely as making the government stop helping out big business. Fephisto (talk) 01:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It's good
It's good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.106.179.137 (talk) 03:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/October 20, 2008

= Audio Wikinews Brief for October 20, 2008 =

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From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Monday, October 20, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here are today's current stories.

China's Premier recognises government responsibility in milk incident
In a rare one-on-one interview with the editor in chief of the journal Science Magazine published online on Friday, Wen Jiabao, Premier of the People's Republic of China, acknowledged that although companies were to blame, the government was also partially responsible in the recent melamine contamination of milk and infant formula from China. The two-hour conversation between chief editor Bruce Alberts and Premier Wen already took place on September 30th. A Chinese version of the interview was published in the communist party newspaper People's Daily. The Premier spoke about social, economic and scientific issues facing his country. Wen explained his "scientific outlook on development", which tries to found social and economic progress for the people, in a sustainable fashion and with decreased disparities, on a scientific basis. At the end of the interview, the Premier agreed that the scientific communities could build bridges between countries, even if their governments disagreed. "More scientific language and less diplomatic rhetoric could make this world even better," he concluded.

Russia asks Iceland for details of bank rescue plan before giving loan
Russia has requested Iceland give them more details of the island nation's plan to rescue the banking sector and thus the entire national economy before granting them a loan. Two weeks ago, Iceland's banking sector collapsed and was largely nationalised. Icelandic banks are in significantly more debt than the country can afford, and the nation may seek assistance from the International Monetary Fund. A decision on whether to involve the IMF is due within a week. As for Russia, a senior Russian government source is reported by Reuters as having said "At the current moment, we do not yet have enough reasons to give them credit. We did not refuse. We are continuing the talks." Forbes quoted him as having also said "'We asked them to collect more information and present a rescue plan for the banking system." Meanwhile, there is some optimism in Iceland over the economy. It is hoped by authorities that the lower exchange rate for the króna means that more tourists will be attracted. Bars and restaurants are also doing well. The manager of one bar explained: "Actually, when people get depressed they drink more."

Iran to stop executing children
The government of Iran has announced that it intends to stop executing children who commit crimes in its country. The announcement was made by Hossein Zabhi, the Iranian assistant Attorney General for Judicial Affairs, who issued directions for judges, saying that they should no longer issue the death penalty for minors. The announcement was also broadcast by the Iranian state-run news agency. Human Rights Campaigners welcomed the move. They say that the Convention on the Rights of the Child bans child executions. The convention states that all governments must recognize that "every child has the inherent right to life." Although welcoming the move, Amnesty International stated that "the Iranian authorities should release the text of the directive and make clear that they intend to uphold their international human rights obligations by including cases of those convicted of murder in this ban." The human rights group said that it did not know if the ban on executions extended to murder cases.

NASA mission to map the boundary of solar system
Finally, in the United States, NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) to map the boundary between the solar system and interstellar space was launched on a Pegasus XL rocket on Sunday. The two year mission, costing US$165 million, will study the region in space where the solar wind from the sun suddenly slows down as it reaches the thin, cold gas of interstellar space. This region, called the heliospheric boundary of the solar system, helps to deflect most of the potentially life-threatening forms of radiation coming from elsewhere in our galaxy. IBEX will ride Pegasus to around 200 kilometres from earth, before boosting itself into its final earth orbit 322,000 kilometres away. The probe will capture energetic neutral atoms (ENAs), which are formed when positive ions in the solar wind hit neutral atoms of interstellar material and rip out electrons from them. IBEX-Lo and -Hi detectors will collect data on the ENAs to create a three-dimensional map of the heliosphere. The heliospheric boundary was first probed by Voyager 1 in 2004 and later by Voyager 2 in 2007. The data from the two missions indicated several indentations on the heliospheric boundary. It is hoped that IBEX studies may reveal the cause of these indentations.

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This is an unusually long block to be given without a warning but the number of edits and malicious intent shown merits this length of block. Vandalise again once and I will give you a longer block. Anonymous101talk 14:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Seven arrested in UK cruise ship drugs seizure

October 22, 2008

Cocaine with a street value of £1.2 million (US$2 million) was seized as the United Kingdom P&O Cruises' ship Arcadia arrived in its home port of Southampton, on the south coast of England, early yesterday. Seven people from the Manchester and Birmingham areas of the country were arrested on the dockside, with four of them being remanded in custody. Between them, the four allegedly had 30 kilograms of the Class A drug strapped to their bodies.

The detained four appeared at Southampton Magistrates' Court earlier today charged with the importation of a Class A drug. The other three have been released on bail pending an appearance at the same Court on 27th October.

The four, none of whom are crew members of the 1,952-passenger Arcadia, have been named as Mrs Quinn, 26, of Rochdale, Lancashire; Mr Hylton, 41, of Manchester; Mrs Dyce, 25, Handsworth, Birmingham; and Mrs Dupee, 19, of Handsworth, Birmingham.

The arrests were carried out in a joint operation by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) investigators and UK Border Agency officers; dozens of personnel were involved. Peter Avery, the Assistant Director of Criminal Investigation of HMRC, said: "Drugs devastate lives and communities and we are determined to prevent them reaching UK streets. Our investigations will not only focus on those transporting the cocaine, but also those that finance and mastermind this illegal trade."

The three-year-old ship had just returned from a 23-day cruise around the Caribbean, having stopped in Antigua, St Lucia, Grenada and Barbados among other islands. A P&O spokesperson said that this was the first time they were aware of P&O passengers being arrested for smuggling cocaine.


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Teen hacker admits to attack on scientology.org

October 20, 2008 A teenager, belonging to the anti-scientology group Anonymous, has admitted that he launched a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on the official website of the Church of Scientology, scientology.org.

Dmitriy Guzner, aged 18, will admit to the charges related to carrying out the DDoS attack. He now faces a maximum sentence of ten years imprisonment.

In response to incidents such as these, Scientology have called Anonymous "cyber-terrorists."

A DDoS attack occurs when multiple computers are used to attack a certain website with so much traffic that it is not accessible. The hackers attack the servers taking up all the available space, preventing the legitimate user from accessing.

United States Attorney's Office released a statement on this issue. "A New Jersey man was charged today for his role in an attack on Church of Scientology websites in January 2008 that rendered the websites unavailable," they said. "Dmitriy Guzner, 18, of Verona, New Jersey, has agreed to plead guilty to computer hacking for his role in the distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack against the Scientology websites. "


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Talk:Teen hacker admits to attack on scientology.org

I have not linked to the final source as it is clearly advocating illegal actions and i bet that if we linked to it we would get in some sort of legal trouble. Anonymous101talk 16:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Project Chanology Website : (I do not advise you to visit any illegal pages)Anonymous101talk 16:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Per discussion on IRC I have removed all content cited to the final source, and the source has also been removed. Anonymous101talk 16:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

What did he do?
Was he a key player, or are the police really so useless that it is a big deal to get an entire member of a DDoS attack? The article doesn't currently say, it simply says he was 'involved'. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


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