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Talk:Brazilian President son's photoblog causes polemic

Question about byline
I think we need to add evidence of "polemic." 208.253.150.27 17:57, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if the word I have used("polemic") is accurate. How do you say in English when everybody talks a lot about some subject? I dont like this kind of news very much. First, I didnt know whether I should publish it or not. But since it appeared in every newspaper here and there were a lot of buzz in internet about it, I have decided to publish it.-- Carlosar 20:51, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Where are you located, Carlosar? - Amgine 00:42, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Brazil -- Carlosar 20:51, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Great! Hope you don't mind if I use you as a Brazil/Portuguese expert? - Amgine 20:59, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Would you say this story is in "politics and conflicts" category? I categorized it into "Culture and entertainment" but without much confidence, I have to say..Tomos 08:27, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * It is difficult to find a good place for it. I dont think "Conflicts" is appropriate, but I think "politics" is ok. The news is about internet, so maybe you could put it at "Science and technology" too. I dont think "Culture and entertainment" is appropriate, but this is a matter of opinion too.-- Carlosar 20:51, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you revise the article and ask me about any doubt. Since I am not a native English speaker,  I can write something not accurate, althought my efforts. -- Carlosar 20:51, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest the word "buzz". - Amgine

Some comments about the revision
...as well as travelling by motor boat in Paranoá lake, along the Brazilian soccer player Pelé
 * These are two different pictures. In one picture the teenagers are in a motor boat. In another picture they are with Pelé. They are not with Pelé in a motor boat. Is it written correctly? Please, check it-- Carlosar 22:17, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You can see some of the pictures at the See Also section. -- Carlosar 22:20, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have translated the text below the pictures of AOL Notícias.:

The text was written by the teenagers who published their own photos.

'Mto boa essa foto né! haha Melhor viagem da minha vida!! hehe vai ficar marcada O pessoal que foi sem comentarios... passei q curtir eles mais ainda' This picture is very good, isn't it? haha It is the best trip of my life!! hehe It will be maked off. About the people, I have no comments... I enjoyed more of them Ai tah eu o lula e o gringo pulando na piscina lah d cima!!!era mto bacana pular d lah uahuhauahahuuauhahuaa Abraçao pra diretoria!' Here is me, Lula (note:President Lula son) and alien jumping in the swimming pool from above!!! it was very nice jumping off there uahuhauahahuuauhahuaa A great hug to the directorship! 'Eu e o tato em brasiliaa.... essa foto eh só pra matar a saudades desse lugar lindooo!!!' Me and Tato in Brasiliaa(sic).. This photo is for nostalgia of this beautifuuull place!!! Bom...agora vo colocar só as fotos da viagem! Meninas gostei mto de conhecer vcs!! Vcs são mto gente boa!!' Well..now I will put just the photos of the trip! Girls I enjoyed meet you very much!!! You are very much good people!! 'Aeeee eu sei q o combinado era naum colocar foto igual e td mais mas essa foto tah mto loka e eu num pude deixar d coloca - la aki intaum foi mal gino! Mas se liga quero fazer uma homenagem a tds da foto mais o lucao q bateu essa!' Aeeee I know that the deal was not putting the same pictures and etc but this photo is very crazy and I could not have had it out! But be attention, I want to honor you everybody of the pictures and the Lucao who shoot this one! 'Cheguei hj de viagem... e que viagem hein?! Nossa mtooooooooo boa, uma das melhores q ja fui... foi uma pena eu ter q vir embora antes, mas mesmo assim deu pra curtir mto!!! Pessoal aproveitem ai bastanteee e quero uma foto do Pelé ta??? hehe' I came from the trip today... and what a trip hein?! Nossa(exclamation expression) veryyyyyyyyyy good, it was one of the best I have participated.. It was too bad but I had to come back early, but I could enjoy it anyway very much!!! Guys enjoy a lot and I want a photo of Pelé, ok??? hehe 'fotinho do time do zecaaa! ahahahahahahhahaha aee diretoria eh nois!! abraç tb praos mulks do sitio!' Zeca team picture! ahahahahahahhahaha hey directorship, it is us!! Hug to the farm boys!
 * Photo 1:
 * Photo 2:
 * Photo3: (note:this picture is at Granja do Torto)
 * Photo 4:(note:a walk around Paranoá lake in a motor boat).
 * Photo 5:(note:the group supposedly went to Brasilia in a FAB-Brazilian Air Force- airplane)
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 * Photo 7:

Photo captions
For wikinews, the photo captions in the article should only mention photo subjects, date and source of the graphic, and/or relevance to the article. For example, the caption might say "One of the pictures posted online at url by photographer on date." You would need to have a link to proof of who posted the graphic, since the graphic could just as easily have been posted by one of Lula's opponents. - Amgine 01:13, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

These photos were taken from the personal photoblogs of the friends of Lula(they first posted the photos). These photoblogs are the original sources and they are mentioned in: At first, the photos appeared in the photoblogs www.fotolog.net/tata_lulu, www.fotolog.net/feijao_fodao and www.fotolog.net/gringo_mi  The photos were removed from these photoblogs as soon the news appeared at the newspapers. The photos were shot by the teenagers themselves for their personal photoblogs, there is no professional photographer(or journalist, politic,etc) responsible for the photos, and the photos were not produced without the knowlodge of the people involved (they shot the pictures themselves). The teenagers you see in the photos shot the photos. Other people and newspapers copied the pictures later because the photos were freely available at internet(like any other photoblog). These pictures were not posted by Lula's enemies (you can call this case of a "friend fire"). Also, if the pictures have had been posted by Lula enemies, the goverment have had reacted energetically, but that didn't happened, the government prefered the silence. Suggestion: do a search in Google for "Lula ferias alvorada" (Lula vacations alvorada, in English). You will see 5.930 articles and all say the something about the story. There is one single article saying that the story was prepared by Lula enemies, so there is no motive for worrying about it. I hope I could make myself clear. Anyway if you see that something is not clear in the article, I suggest(and appreciate) you do some corrections in it. Thanks. -- Carlosar

This case has some similarity with the article American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother, although the story is very different(one it is about a crime, another about teenagers fun). In both cases you have references to photoblogs. -- Carlosar 13:28, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article may rise some questions about the use of pictures from photoblogs.
 * Is it correct the use of pictures of personal photoblogs?
 * And if the photos are distributed over internet and after beem published by the newspapers and other media? Is it correct using them? -- Carlosar 13:50, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Main Page/Archive 1

Archives of the Main Page discussions

Abstract ideas about Wikinews
Moved to Water cooler

Wikinews in the Media
moved to In the Media

Article review
There is lots of good discussion about this. moved to [[Wikinews:Article review]]

Wikinews tools
moved to Water_cooler

Wikinews content
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Columns
Hi, I've added a section name, called Columns, because every newspaper carries some... (more at the Water cooler; see link above)

Ukraine & etc
I added Ukraine to the main page. Sorry for taking down Latest News, I did it only after I realized that the stories there are 5 days old. ... more at the water cooler

Logos, graphics, IMAGES, and photos
What navigation cues should we add? How much attention should be paid to logos and graphics? Is it okay to use stock images to illustrate specific stories? Are Graphics Bad? Are people who desire graphics compensating for the size of their 'daily paper'? Read more about it at Talk:Images!

The Logo
Another crucial element to establishing a visual hook for the site is its logo. I've submitted some logos on the logo idea page right off the bat (there are lots of good ideas on that page), because the logo is important to establish the brand of this site.

Style and format guidelines
Moved to Water cooler

Caps in titles
Is Wikinews supposed to use Headlines With Capitalized Words? (seeing that Wikipedia doesn't)
 * I've created an initial poll about this at Capitalization poll.--Eloquence

Section links
Instead of a section header being "Crime and Law" and then having a repeat of that just below with the wikilink, what do editors think about having the section link also be the wikilink? Lyellin 04:42, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * ...more at the water cooler; see link above

Categories and organization
I think the categories we have now should be one word whenever possible, as "Politics" and "Business" are comprehensive enough alone....
 * ...more at the water cooler; see link above

Sport and Weather?
Do these two really go together? I mean, they're like cheese and chalk. I say that they should be seperated out into two seperate categories, or "Weather" should be shown the door. What could go under that category, anyway?
 * Lankiveil 10:29, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I tried to achieve some sort of symmetry with the headline, but you're right - they don't really go together well. Is there anything we could couple with Sports?--Eloquence
 * How about "Sports and Recreation"?

 * Don't get me wrong, I like the double-title thing a lot, I just didn't think that particular one made all that much sense ;-) Lankiveil 05:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Why? Don't try to link unrelated things together. Use double-titles only if there is no single word for the concept (rare). Simeon 12:23, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Weather Map
The weather map is too wide. Because of this, any browser displaying the image will therefore make the entire page as wide as the map, due to tables being used I presume, in the layout. Unfortunately if the map is reduced in size, the temperatures would become unreadable. The main page is too busy already, the map should be on a seperate page, with thumbnail to link there. Simeon 12:23, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The main page is "protected" (why?) - please some priviledged person remove the weather map as described above. Simeon 12:28, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Some days later and this is still a problem. If it is necessary to have a weather map appear there, a good compromise, although maybe a lot of work, would be to use a much smaller one showing isotherms, like this (but without the clouds if possible)

 * http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth/action?daynight=-d&opt=-p&img=wx-cmap.bmp

 * Wikinews doesn't inline the .bmp image - you'll have to click on the link. Below the legend is inlined.

 * http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/Current-legend.gif

 * And I may as well mention that on the current wikinews weather map, the sea colour is too similar to the dark green land colour. People with poor vision or poor displays will not be able to distinguish the boundary between land and sea. On my own shoddy monitor, both look black.

 * 218.214.18.27 05:18, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the ideas.

 * A number of contributors have been discussing ways to improve the main page layouts in various sandbox pages, but we haven't reached a consensus on a new design yet, so we're stuck with what we have for now.

 * I am working on a smaller map that uses larger city names and temp dots, that will allow the page it sits on to fit on a 800x600 monitor.

 * As for the ocean color contrast with the land masses, the satellite topography we are using came that way from NASA. I agree that the contrast is low - I'll see if I can improve it in a future version.

 * The isotherm image is good for a scientist, but all consumer weather maps that I am aware of call out major cities with numeric temps for each.

 * Oops yes, meant to say, this might be a good idea for image on the main page, but then use a large map with city temps on the actual Weather page.

 * By the way, one of the page designs I am testing removes the weather map from the main page, and instead substitutes a world map icon with links underneath it to the weather map page.

 * I agree with this idea, as I said before "The main page is too busy already, the map should be on a seperate page, with thumbnail to link there." :) Simeon 11:55, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * If you are interested in checking out some of the ideas we are looking at for the main page layout, please checkout these links:

 * Main_Page/Sandbox
 * Main_Page/Sandbox2
 * Main_Page/Sandbox3
 * Main_Page/WideSandbox3
 * Main_Page/Sandbox4

 * Thanks for stopping by.

 * — DV 05:46, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I had a go at this myself now.

 * Main_Page/Sandbox1
 * Not sure where the main main page discussion is so for now, here is the only place I have mentioned this. I think I have cleaned up the design quite a bit, and using DIVs instead of tables, so the left/right sections don't interdepend now for their sizes. The WelcomeSandbox heading is awry - centered is bad for such a narrow box .. but I don't know where to go to edit that. Other templates also could be improved, but likewise, I don't know where to find them to edit them.

 * Simeon 16:27, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New Main Page topic needed - Environment and conservation.
News of the natural and built environment does not fit into any of the current topic headings. A topic labelled "Environment and Conservation" will solve this. I feel we could do with sub poic headings for some of the main topic headings. In this case we could have a sub topic of "Natural Environment" with sub topics of "Pollution", "Species Conservation", "GE", "Climate Change" etc. Other topics could have a similar scheme. Alan Liefting 04:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * the sub topic idea is one that has been discussed a couple times. Each topic page has divisions done by region, but that could be changed to sub-topic, or both could be used. The question would be, which one is better? Lyellin 04:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I concur that there needs to be a designated space for environmental issues. It could either exist as "Environment and conservation", as mentioned above, or it could be combined with the health heading to create a "Environment and Health" section. The latter would closely mirror the recent shift in public discourse which is increasingly looking at human and environmental health as intrinsically linked. For an example of this see EnvironmentalHealthNews.org. Items of a strictly natural nature could be included with science and technology, like cnn.com handles it (though hopefully with more prominence than they give it). mccaffry
 * The number of articles on "Health" could be large. The Environment" would be not so large.  The crossover between the two would be small.  I feel there should be seperate Health and Enviro topics. Alan Liefting 03:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I see the merit of having an independent topic page for the environment. Agriculture, natural disaster, bio hazard, pollution, and environmental policies are some of the things that it can cover.

Orphan articles section
I suggest an Orphan articles(you can choose another better name if you like) section. Articles older than 3 days(for example) would be put there automatically. --carlosar Nov 18 11:46:38 UTC 2004
 * ... more at the water cooler under Wikinews tools; see link above

Articles on front page, cat pages, and regional pages
There needs to be some sort of limit as to how long articles are left on the front page, the regional pages, and the individual category pages. I suggest one week, then remove from those pages. To enable people to find articles from a certain date or category that are more than a week old, we create standard "category" pages using Category: links for each region and each category of news. Place the appropriate category link at the bottom of each article along with the date category linked as suggested in the style guide.

Also, perhaps we could start building categories of articles revolving around a certain topic--for example, the current war in Iraq, the APEC summit, etc. Kurt Weber 02:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Perhaps have a small table on the main page with a link to those topic pages? Somewhat like what CNN and other sites did for the 2004 US election, etc? Lyellin 20:32, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Did we come up with a timeline idea for how long articles should be left on the page? ALso, where do old articles go and wind up being indexed? :P Lyellin 05:25, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I had imagined the Category pages as automated indices of any articles tagged as belonging to those categories, and simply reverse-ordered by creation date? Simeon 06:37, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Categories are ordered alphabetically, but can be forced into time order by a title containing a date (no method has yet been found to reverse time order.) There are no current category projects that I am aware of, but it might be possible to manually reverse time order an archive category such as added to all 2004 date categories.

Fiddling with Main Page headlines
Yes, it is suboptimal, but the front page was looking pretty stupid with a Colin Powell story that's closing in on being a week old. That's not news, that's ancient history.

For a new site to be successful, it has to be vibrant, active, dynamic. It's a wiki, not a content management system.

 * I strongly oppose these carelessly plastered headlines.--Eloquence
 * I agree. --carlosar
 * I oppose them as well. If the main page looks bad, write new artcles, put them there, put other articles that may be major on the page- don't just do a haphazard job. We're in demo mode, and just beginning mode. We need to work on perfecting things, not putting in band-aids that will fall off. Lyellin 20:31, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * So, what is Latest News? Is it an article that has just passed Peer Review? I added my article [United States anti-drug efforts in Latin America criticized by report] to Latest News, shortly after it passed Peer Review, 'cause I wasn't sure what else to do with it. jkrusky 22:36, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Treatments for the Main Page section headers
To start, would there be a strong objection if we were to try one of the following treatments for each of the news section title headers:

 * add more heavily weighted logotypes (small JPGs with "black" type), like on CNN
 * Yes, there would. Please use images only for displaying non-text graphics, and only when it adds something. Simeon 12:48, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * add secondary color panels behind each section header (like on Yahoo and Google news)
 * best option presented here Simeon 12:48, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * change to all caps, in a smaller, differently colored font (like on the BBC and New York Times news sites)
 * use reversed logotypes (like on the Fox news site)

As the design now stands, the front page is a neutral field, without strong waypoints to draw your eye from section to section.

Main Page Templates
I've gotten templates made for almost all the sections. If anyone else thinks there should be one, let me know. Lyellin 04:38, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Articles in development, controversial and..." : unnecessary and ugly
I think the line: "Articles in development, controversial and unreviewed articles Articles being reviewed       Articles which have passed peer review" should be removed from the Main Page because this information is not necessary (and it has an ugly visual). When the reader sees the article he knows if it is in an development, reviewed, or peer review stage, and what this means.Carlosar 01:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Do you mean those boxes? I thought that it would be good to have some information about which articles are reviewed already. That is because some people just want to read somewhat reliable news, only those that have gone through the review. Don't you think? Tomos 04:33, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Additions to Main Page
I think we should have a "this date in history" thing on the Main Page like what Wikipedia has. B-101 00:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the "this day in history" thing if it already is done on wikipedia. This day in history is not news, unless some commemoration of that event is occuring, in which case, simply report the event that is happening currently, as news. Simeon 13:04, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Also, on the Main Page, we should tell people that "since this is about current events, expect some information to change quickly". B-101 00:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Right. Out of curiosity, is it known what happens when two or more people edit the same page at once? Is it handled, or not? We should inform users either way, and describe what the user will experience if this happens. Simeon 13:04, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

One more thing, I'm not sure how we will be able to post weather for various areas.- B-101 00:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There is now a weather template, and I have updated the Weather page to use this template. It reports about as much as I think we can cope with unless wikinews suddenly becomes the latest 'cool' place for budding meteorologists to hang out at. Simeon 13:04, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Main page is starting to get stale again. I added the spanish police finds bomb story just to give out the sense that the page has been updated, but still, what is the criteria for adding something in the latest news section? That news was current yesterday, but with the review process and all, it's just not current anymore... :( Shana 12:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The last criteria I heard discussed was that latest news had to get passed through review. We should note that review is being discussed, and needs more discussion. Lyellin 04:35, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * This process seems now to have been abandoned (a) in the interests of having real (ie current) news appear on the site, and (b) in keeping with general wikiness. Not much new news coming in currently, but in my opinion the current process is quite good. We have the Article workspace for people to use in developing article. People can flag articles for attention as described in the Article stages page. Main page has suddenly become "protected" so not sure how we are supposed to publish articles now - but in my opinion the process was good up until that happened. :/ Simeon 13:04, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Main Page : Just for our best work?
Wouldn't it be better to have the main page feature your most-polished work? That is, the reviewed articles?
 * I am "Maurreen" on the English Wikipedia. 4.152.228.14 15:19, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * That seems to be the more popular view than displaying articles being edited. Does anyone support keeping the articles being edited box? 119 17:13, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we should move the "Articles being written and edited:" layout to the Article workspace. We could left the "Peer review" with articles which has been waiting for 1/2 hour (or 1 hour) in review mode. Another possibility is: keep everything as it is now, except the articles should been waiting for at least 1/2 hour, before appearing at the Main Page. ---Carlosar 19:02, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Red links on the main page
''Is it professional or unprofessional? Good for a small site or bad? See Red links for a full set of discussions.''

Re-org main page slightly?
I've been looking mainly at the de main page and our main page... one thing we can say is that ours is very crowded. What would people think of moving the topic template up to the right under the section for currently being written articles, and just make it links to each topic page? Makes the page smaller, with less things to edit/update on the main page, and will help to keep that section less out of date- which is a good thing on the main page. Lyellin 16:28, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Old news is worth too
Some articles get finished when the news is old. Besides that I think we should put these articles in evidence(as soon they are ready) at the Main Page somehow.--Carlosar

Language edit team
What do you think about a specialized English edit team? The team work would be correcting the speelling of the articles. The team would not delete or change the meaning of anything, except the correct writting of the articles. -- Carlosar 12:03, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I volunteer for any English work that needs doing. The Wikiversity English course could provide some cross-interest. I have been talking to my mother about an interview with her for the purpose of organizing that section. She is a retired English teacher.

News in Brief articles
I would like to suggest finishing the News in Brief articles. I have worked on some of them but I think I am not able to do everything alone. If you have time and if you are good in English take a look on them please. --Carlosar 20:24, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Briefs/January 12, 2005

January 12, 2005

The following stories made international headlines Wednesday:

Nortel completes restatement
After 14 months, three missed deadlines, and a change of CEOs, Canada's Nortel (ticker NT) finally reported their audited restatement of earnings for 2001, 2002, and 2003. Five board members are stepping down.

 * Source: BusinessWeek Online: Nortel: Beyond Closing the Books

Former Philippine president Joseph Estrada in Hong Kong hospital
Police reported to the Sandiganbayan, the anti-graft court investigating the former Philippine president, and leaked to the press, that Estrada had hosted members of his former cabinet for dinner and stayed overnight away from the hospital in which he is supposed to be confined. He is in hospital to undergo knee replacement surgery.

 * Source: Philippine Daily Inquirer: Estrada wanders out in HK

Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi acknowledges issues for Jan. 30 poll
As new attacks kill at least 25 people, interim Prime Minister Allawi admitted not all Iraqis would be able to vote:

"There are some pockets that will not participate in the election but they are not large."

 * Source:  Hindustan Times: Nationwide Iraq polls impossible: Allawi

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Estrada brief
Is very clumsily worded. Someone with fresh eyes recast... I'm for bed. - Amgine 07:27, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Spanish trawler missing, three die in UK as storms hit northern Europe

January 12, 2005

As winds in the UK reach 124 mph, a Spanish fishing trawler is missing off the coast of Scotland and three people have died in northern Britain.

The UK Coastguard received an emergency beacon signal via satellite at 2330 UTC last night from a boat in the North Atlantic, 180 miles west of Scotland. No voice radio traffic had been received since the ship's owners talked to the captain at 2030, when the crew reported that they were in difficulties and were losing power. There are 19 crew members on board, five Spansish and fourteen Portuguese. An RAF Nimrod search aircraft is due on-scene at dawn to search for the vessel.

Two lorries have been blown over. In Scotland, the lorry fell onto a car, killing the driver. In Northern Ireland, the lorry was blown off a bridge into the sea, killing the driver of the lorry. A third person died in Scotland when a van was blown into the path of an on-coming lorry.

Across Scotland, 60,000 people are without power, many roads are blocked by fallen trees, trains are not running and ferries are restricted to port. The Sellafield nuclear fuel reprocessing plant in northern England has suffered superficial damage.


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CBS fires four in fake Bush story fallout

January 10, 2005

CBS News dismissed four employees Tuesday, including three executives, in the aftermath of an investigation into a faulty news story about President George W. Bush. , who reported the story, is not included in these dismissals.

The discharged employees were: Betsy West, senior vice president and overseer of CBS News primetime programs, Josh Howard, 60 Minutes Wednesday executive producer, Mary Murphy, senior broadcast producer and Mary Mapes, program producer.

On Sept. 8, 2004 CBS presented in 60 Minutes Wednesday program, a story about President George W. Bush   service during the. The news questioned Bush's commitment to service, saying he refused an order to appear for a physical exam and that Bush family tried to favour him. The news relied on four documents apparently written by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian (already dead), Bush's Texas Air National Guard commanders in the early 1970s.

Critics said the documents were fake. After standing its story for about 12 days CBS admitted they could not confirm the authenticity of the documents and asked former attorney General Dick Thornburgh and former President Louis Boccardi to start  an independent investigation about it.

The independent panel was not able to make any conclusions about the authenticity of the documents and found that political bias was not a factor, but it did criticize the producers for failing to follow basic journalistic principles when they made no attempt to verify their source's claims.

CBS President said about the matter: We deeply regret the disservice this flawed 60 Minutes Wednesday report did to the American public, which has a right to count on CBS News for fairness and accuracy.


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Nine die in bush-fires in South Australia

January 12, 2005

Nine people have died in bush-fires in the region of the Eyre Peninsula in South Australia. The fire has spread over 40,000 hectares of scrub, bushland and farmland so far and is still burning out of control. Hundreds of firemen have been fighting the fire, but conditions have been difficult because of strong winds and temperatures soaring well over 40 degrees Celsius. Of the nine who have died, eight were attempting to escape the advancing fire in their cars. Four children were among the dead. Locals of some rural towns fled to the ocean to escape the fires. Thousands of sheep and cattle have also been killed in the fires.

Separate fires have also been burning around Mount Osmond and Cleland National Park in the Adelaide hills. No fatalities have been recorded in this region. Fires also burn in country Victoria.

Bush-fires are annual occurrences in Australia, but these fires have been the worst in terms of deaths since the Ash Wednesday fires that killed 28 people in South Australia. Two years ago, over 400 houses were burnt down in a bush fire in the Australian capital city, Canberra.


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Huygens moon probe to land on Titan

January 13, 2005

The Probe will enter the atmosphere of 's largest moon, , on January 14 at approximately 9 a.m..

The 318 kg probe will hit the Titan atmosphere at 6 kilometers per second. For the next 2.5 hours, Huygens will slow its descent and begin data transmission from on-board scientific packages to the Cassini Orbiter for relay to Earth. It will touch down on the Titan surface at approximately 11:30 a.m. UTC. The probe will continue data transmission for three to 30 minutes, providing it survives the descent and landing.

NASA launched Cassini-Huygens, the largest interplanetary space craft ever built, on October 15, 1997. The craft arrived at Saturn orbit in July of 2004. It is the fourth craft to visit Saturn and the first to orbit the planet.

On December 25, 2004, the Cassini Orbiter released the Huygens Probe. The probe then began a 20-day trip to Titan.

Experiments on board the Huygens Probe are designed to examine chemical reactions in the atmosphere, the source of Titan's abundant methane gas, the existence of oceans, and the presence of complex organic compounds.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a joint project of NASA and the (ESA).

The probe was named after Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan in 1655.

The Cassini orbiter was named for, who discovered other moons of Saturn and the gap between Saturn's rings known as the .

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United States trade deficit reaches all time high

January 12, 2005

The United States Government reported the largest trade deficit in its history today, totalling $60.3 billion for the month of November.

The Commerce Department reported a rise of 7.7% from the previous month, in an announcement that had taken economists and analysts by surprise. The reading had been expected to fall to $54 billion, following a softening in oil prices.

The trade deficit through November totaled $561.3 billion, far above the previous annual record of $496.5 billion set in 2003, and put the country on track to record a trade imbalance topping $610 billion when the December figures are added.


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User:Arminius~enwikinews

Welcome to my user page

I am new to Wikinews and I am at this point more observing then participating.

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UK mounts rescue operation for Spanish trawler in distress in North Atlantic storm

January 12, 2005

This afternoon the launched an operation to rescue nineteen sailors from a Spanish trawler in difficulties in a North  storm.

Radio contact with the FV Cibeles was lost yesterday evening at 2030 UTC when the crew reported to the ship's owners that they were in trouble. Last night, UK Coastguard picked up a satellite emergency beacon signal as winds reached speeds of over 70 mph.

This morning a RAF Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft located the ship adrift 180 miles off the. A nearby tanker, the Aegean Spirit, diverted with the intention of taking the trawler in tow and arrived at 1500 UTC.

However, the tanker was unable to take the trawler on tow, and with no other vessels capable of towing the ship nearby, the Coastguard Rescue Seeking helicopter "Mike Uniform" was launched from Stornoway to extract the crew. The tanker remained on scene to offer some protection from the weather, currently reported as gale force winds and rough seas.


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IBM Releases 500 patents to open source community

"IBM hereby commits not to assert any of the 500 U.S. patents listed below, as well as all counterparts of these patents issued in other countries, against the development, use or distribution of Open Source Software."

So begins the pledge IBM has made to "any individual, community, or company" writing or using software defined as "open source" by the Open Source Initiative (OSI).

The patents include software for text recognition and database management.

"True innovation leadership is about more than just the numbers of patents granted. It's about innovating to benefit customers, partners and society", said Dr. John E. Kelly, IBM senior vice president, Technology and Intellectual Property. "Our pledge today is the beginning of a new era in how IBM will manage intellectual property."

"This is not a one-time event", said Dr. Kelly. "While IBM will continue to demonstrate leadership in patent output, through measures such as today's pledge, we will increasingly use patents to encourage and protect global innovation and interoperability through open standards and we urge others to do so as well."

Lawrence Lessig, law professor at Stanford Law School and free software proponent commented: "This is exciting.  It is IBM making good on its commitment to encourage a different kind of software development and recognizing the burden that patents can impose."

Not all are confident of IBM's motives, though.

Florian Mueller, campaign manager of anti-patent website, NoSoftwarePatents.com, accused IBM of hypocrisy because of lobbying in the European Union to push through the Computer Implemented Inventions Directive.

"IBM is just being hypocritical because they want to appease the open source community and make themselves popular," said Mueller.

"In Europe, IBM is a driving force behind the extension of the scope of patentability with respect to software. If IBM wants to assume the role of a post-Christmas benefactor, they'd better stop their aggressive patent lobbying in the EU and their shameless squeezing of small and medium-sized companies with its patent portfolio."


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Iraqi violence may restrict elections

January 12, 2005

Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi said that on-going violence in Iraq may hamper the forthcoming elections for a new national government, due to be held on January 30.

"There are some pockets that will not participate in the election, but they are not large," Allawi said.

Fifteen people died in violence across Iraq today. A bomb blast in Tikrit killed six police officers and wounded a dozen. South of Baghdad, a bomb destroyed a minibus and killed seven civilians onboard. The bomb apparently was aimed at a US military convoy. Another bomb killed two people in Samarra.

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User talk:Plagiaat~enwikinews

Welcome to Wikinews
Thanks for trying out editing on Wikinews. Your experimental edits have been reverted. Please use the Sandbox for future experiments.

- Amgine 21:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Plagiaat. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Plagiaat~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User talk:208.237.178.229

Welcome
208.237.178.229, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 22:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:82.179.191.126

Welcome
82.179.191.126, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!
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http://ru.wikinews.org
Have you any plans for subject(Russian version of WikiNews)? Andrew
 * You may vote to start a new-language version of wikinews here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Start_a_new_edition -- Davodd | Talk 22:41, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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US government stops looking for weapons of mass destruction

January 13, 2005

Ahead of next month's publication of the Iraq Survey Group's final report, US intelligence officials have announced that the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is over.

The 1,700 members of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) will be transferred to counter-insurgency tasks.


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I included the news briefs for the day into the category template. It gives the category pages for the dates a semi-digest format which makes for better browsing of the news stories of a particular day. -- IlyaHaykinson 00:12, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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User:IlyaHaykinson/Archive1

Review Process on Wikinews
I appear to belong to the school of thought that wikinews should have less process and more wiki magic. I thus propose a review process that is reactionary to bad articles rather than the "write-publish" model that has also been suggested.

One of my current projects here is to flesh out any templates necessary to implement this review process, and then try applying it to some articles to see how it floats.

Article Stages
Along with User:Regebro I am strongly opposed to having explicit article stages. I believe that they are unworkable and require clear ownership or authorship of articles in order to function. Such a review process could work better for editorials (if we do end up having them, some day), but it cannot work for articles that are written about events that would attract little editorial attention (and would thus never get enough consensus to be clearly marked as reviewed). The absense of a clear author who is invested in getting the article pushed through all of the stages means that a great deal of articles will be (and are) getting abandoned in the middle of the process.

After a pause of a week to evaluate the Article Stages system, I return to strongly advocating a stage-less process such as the Alternative Review Process Proposal.

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Amrish Puri no more

January 12, 2005

Actor Amrish Puri, who was most known for his role as "Mogambo" in the movie "Mr. India" died of on Wednesday at the age of 72. Hospital sources say that his death was due to a blood clot in his brain after a brain haemorrhage.

A veteran of sorts, Amrish worked in over 221 movies in his life time, most of which were in Bollywood (Mumbai, India). In his initial attempt to get into the movies in 1954, he was rejected during a screen-test for a hero's role and only started acting at the age of 40 — nearly twenty years later. He went on to become the most popular "villain" on the silver screen.

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Amrish Puri no more
Actor Amrish Puri, who was most known for his role as "Mogambo" in the movie "Mr. India" died of on Wednesday at the age of 72. Hospital sources say that his death was due to blood clot in brain after a brain haemorrhage.

A veteran of sorts, Amrish worked in over 221 movies in his life time, most of which were in bollywood (Mumbai, India). In his initial attempt to get into the movies in 19, he was rejected during a screen-test for a hero's role. He later went on to become the most popular "villain" on the silver screen.

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Digest/11January2005

January 11, 2005

< 1 - 12 January 2005 • Index • 18 - 25 January>

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User talk:TalkHard

Hi - old news article
I want to avoid a revert war.

I understand and have read the discussion on the talk pages of the article. The article, as a news document, is historical. By editing this article you are attempting to re-write the consensus (and lack of consensus) of the time of its publishing. This appears to me to be very POV, and harmful to Wikinews as a reference. Please revert the article, and replace the disputed tag if you do not agree with the contents as they stood at that time. - Amgine 03:40, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Surely the article's content at time X is preserved in the article's history page? And if an article is editable, why shouldn't someone edit it? Is this a wiki? - Simeon 04:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Removing dispute tag
Please do not remove dispute tags without achieving consensus. - Amgine/talk 06:10, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Not sure if everyone agrees with this. I don't for one. Remove as you see fit imho. We will be sure to ban you on grounds of excessive edit war if things get out of hand (or so I am led to believe - I tend to disagree with this sentiment too because I am 100% skeptical about some administrator's ability to define 'excessive' reasonably.) I would like to see less administration and more editing on this site. - Simeon 04:13, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Mentioned the administrative abuse re; the stop-loss story in a new watercooler discussion.
also put in my vote to publish the stop-loss article(accurate version)

Please have a look http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler#DV_and_Hi-Flyer_left_.2B_Administrative_Abuse

and help us out if you will. Paulrevere2005 03:55, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey Paul, thanks for the support. I brought this to the dispute resolution page. Were you going to also, or are you posting a different dispute there? Either way, I stated my case there. Comments appreciated. - TalkHard 04:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic!!! Yes I'm there as well. Please, I need your help at

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler#DV_and_Hi-Flyer_left_.2B_Administrative_Abuse

as well. Paulrevere2005 05:47, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Ditto
I welcome the opportunity to work through mediation with you. I will be posting my statement on our disagreement there. Thanks for your involvement! - Amgine/talk 04:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Your edits
Now you've explained what you want to do, I agree, and have edited the article to your last version. I hope that's satisfactory to you, and you will contribute further to Wikinews! Dan100 (Talk) 20:43, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Of course... much appreciated. - Amgine/talk 06:22, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Amgine Administratorship
Hello. You can vote for or against Amgine becoming an administrator of Wiktionary here: See ya', 68.121.109.118 05:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC) P.S. There's also a vote on taking away Amgine's adminship on Wikinews here.

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Wikinews talk:What Wikinews is not

What Wikinews articles are not:

 * 1) Wikinews articles are not press releases. There are a variety of press release aggregators online who provide this service; check the Reference desk for links to some of them. Wikinews articles address the 5 W's and H where possible, and attempt to present newsworthy articles which are balanced and have multiple sources.
 * 2) Wikinews articles are not advertisments. Especially, they are not political advertisements. Excluding opinion columns, an exclusively one-sided article, either pro- or con- the subject of the article, is a form of advertisment.
 * 3) Wikinews articles are not scientific papers or critiques of same. Articles might review or synopsize science, but must be written to be read by a wider, lay audience than that of a science journal - use of jargon must be limited and qualified.
 * 4) Wikinews articles are not works in progress. Once written and posted they are historical documents; they should not continue to be updated or changed. Especially, they should not be altered to an angle or POV not reflective of the article as it was published.
 * Please remove/edit/something this .. wikis are supposed to allow others to edit. If this is just a multi-user blog, please say so. One of the primary legs of the wikipedia NPOV concept is that NPOV is never actually reached, but the ability for people to continually modify the article is what creates the NPOV. One of the primary motivations in wikinews is that it is a wiki for news. - Simeon 11:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * What does this last sentence mean Especially...published? Does this mean that an NPOV article should not be made POV, or that an article violating NPOV cannot be made POV, or both? Boud 21:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 1) Wikinews is not an encyclopedia.
 * 2) Wikinews articles are not editorials. Although opinion columns are likely to be an element of the Wikinews site, articles in the main namespace should restrict themselves to reporting news and not commenting on the news or newsmakers.

- Amgine 04:03, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reviews and editorials
After a recent discussion on the issue on the Water cooler, the community was very much against allowing either on the site, so I've updated this page to reflect that. Dan100 (Talk) 21:02, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe we should probably develop a larger community consensus before altering policy on what is a clearly divisive issue (several previous polls specifically did not gain consensus on this issue.) For this reason I have reverted your addition. - Amgine/talk 21:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's be honest - it's you versus everyone else who's commented. Granted that's not consensus - I chose my words carefully above to avoid saying that - but consensus would require someone to change their mind. I'm not and, judging by the very firm comments but other editors, other people aren't going to either.

 * I think technical reviews, feature appraisals, should be ok, as that's just highlighting facts. But I sentiments like product A is better than product B will just not work here, and I think policy should reflect that. Dan100 (Talk) 21:55, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Let's be honest, Dcabrillo also wants reviews. So do you, if you stop and think about it. De, Ro, Pl, and likely most of the others have them already. But at least a dozen other users, including DV, Lyellin, and more have stated that we need some way to announce things, review events or items, to talk *about* events and not simply report facts. By their nature such articles must be reviews.
 * And the question is not one of if, but when. We cannot be a comprehensive news source without at least minimal review articles, such as announcing when the next version of Windows is released or talking about the movies and stars up for the next Oscars Awards. My purpose in this was to try to create some policies to deal with what is inevitable. - Amgine/talk 22:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Some Wikimedia policies are not up for individual project community votes and instead would require a policy exemption from the Wikimedia Board - for instance the NPOV policy. A second is that Wikimedia products are the work of the general public community instead of a single author. An original review - by its very nature, is one person's opinion. That would appear to violate two of the main Wikimedia mandates - NPOV & community-created content. There is a way, however, to include review-type information. In fact I am working on this project now - in between classes. Basically, it would be an index-type survey of 5 or 6 leading reviwers globally (NYTimes, BBC, Ebert & Roper, etc..) - with the average rating of those reviwers being the Wikinews Index. -- Davodd | Talk  23:03, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Whoever said anything about single-person reviews? Furthermore, as I have pointed out, there *are* editorials being made elsewhere within Wikimedia.
 * Please see OS Tiger: "It's like being in the future", a multi-person review already. A review is not necessarily POV, unlike an editorial. I think the most successful projects on Wikinews thus far have been where it is kept as simple as possible. - Amgine/talk 23:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Before we break out to serious an argument here, might I suggest two things:
 * There is deffinetely some confusion as to the word "Review" and "editorial" being used here, both sides using different definitions of the word(s). Let's agree on what we mean by Review and Editorial first.
 * To Davodd and Dan100: This discussion in the watercooler is really not finished yet. No one is attacking NPoV, wikimedia policy is as allways respected, and though the consensus seams to point to another rejection of this notion for now, people are still firing ideas about it, and we really shouldn't make new policy before the discussion is resolved. There is no need to "nip this in the but". Let's role with it, see where it may lead, before outlawing it completely. -- Redge (Talk) 23:17, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. I think OS Tiger: "It's like being in the future" is not a review as much as it is original reporting. In reviews, the author judges and/or reccomends action to the reader. (i.e.: Eat here, avoid this movie, her performance was brilliant)... Stories that merely chronicle the opinions of others without a call to action (implied or not) are just news reports. Now, whether or not those quotes are biased or respectible is another thing. For actual review reporting, I suggest a project with guidelines similar to this: Film reviews which I had started in late March and have not done much else with outside of notes on my laptop. ;-) -- Davodd | Talk  23:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * A review is a critique, period. If the review is positive, or negative, or neutral is irrelevant to its definition. - Amgine/talk 23:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just the 18-hour work/school days I'm dealing with - but I am not understanding what you mean here. An index of averages is not a critique - it's just a statisttic. -- Davodd | Talk 05:57, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I do not see anything in Foundation or Wikipedia policy that would prevent op-eds in user space, if they're relevant to articles. On the other hand, I do think it would be a good idea to post a disclaimer: "This page is an editorial, not a news report. Opinions expressed herein are those of the contributors [link to history] and are not necessarily those of the rest of the Wikinews community or the Wikimedia Foundation."

However, if people want to write product reviews, I highly recommend that they visit the Shopping Wikia, where non-NPOV user reviews are allowed in the main namespace. Seahen 13:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Link farm
Wikinews articles are not link farms. Wikinews articles must contain links to appropriate sources relevant to the article. Articles should also link to other Wikinews articles related to the topic - in the section titled "See also" or "Related news". Articles may, on a limited and specifically related basis, link to external sites with more in-depth information, in a section clearly titled "External links". Content may be linked to related content via interwiki links in the body of the article, but should not be over-wikified.

- Amgine / talk 17:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Support except for the part about "over-wikified." Readers may want or need more detailed information about any person, place, thing, concept or procedure referenced in an article, and Wikipedia is often the best source for this extra detail. Seahen 13:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Source documents
I am not sure but I think this is worded very wrong:

''Wikinews articles are not source documents. Our sister project Wikisource is a repository for static documents; articles on Wikinews can and should be edited ruthlessly which would be inappropriate treatment for a source document. Also, many news-related source documents are copyrighted - verbatim copying of a source document could not reasonably be considered "fair use".''

Should it read that Wikinews does not host documents? I mean correct me if I am wrong, but would they not be considered a source document after publishing? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

question?
What is meant by rule #9, "Wikinews is not WikiNews"? 69.140.152.55 23:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it means that Wikinews is not spelled through a capital N. Tempodivalse [talk]  22:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion
what about 'Wikinews is not a newspaper'? Because it doesn't have editorials, comic strips, classified adverts, su dokus, crosswords, TV schedules, weather forecasts, or anything like that. Kayau (talk · contribs) 13:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

 * None of those items are intrinsic to being a newspaper. Wikinews has had crosswords, weather forecasts in the past, and may again in the future. -  Amgine | t 13:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, having a crossword and sudoku would make good page-mates for the weekly quiz. As for weather, if you go to Portal:Weather, there is a world weather map that is updated numerous times throughout the day. Personally, I would like to see maps made for individual countries, somewhat similar to what France, Italian and German Wikinews do, but I doubt that will happen as we have far more English speaking countries to cover than they do: UK, Ireland, Canada, US, Caribbean, Australia, NZ, South Africa or all of Africa, and India, at least. Possibly also the Middle East, Japan, and South East Asia too. The same for TV schedules. It would be crazy to update TV schedules for each country. Where would we start? Primetime only? All day? Broadcast networks only, or cable and dish ones too? There are some things that Wikinews will never be able to do that a regular newspaper can, but we aren't trying to be a regular newspaper. Matthewedwards (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your suggestion. It really made me think.
 * We have "editorials" too. We don't post them on the main page, but you can write an editorial on any topic we have an article about with the 'Have your say' link.
 * There are a lot of newspaper things we don't have, as you said: advertorial, magazine section, human interest (unless it meets the WN:CG), or reviews. If TV networks ever make schedules available under a free content license, and a volunteer wants to feed them automatically into Wikinews, then I bet the community could be persuaded to go for that.
 * French, like English, is a global language: it is a bit odd that fr:Page:Météo only has a map for the Hexagon of France and some neighbouring countries but that is their business (anyway, their bot is down at the moment.)
 * I can't see comics ever coming here (or indeed any type of fiction or satire), but English Wikipedia had regular comics for a while, so I guess it could be done.
 * We have certain shared ideals and goals, and the current website and feeds are one way of attempting to satisfy those, but there will be many other ways (and indeed some other communities are doing just that, and I am sure English Wikinews will also continue to innovate.) I, personally, don't want WN:NOT to ever become an excuse for fossilization, and I am sure that you didn't intend your suggestion to mean that, but I want to say it anyway.  (By comparison, English Wikipedia has a strict 'NOT' guideline, but with 3 million articles and a model that is proven to work, for now, they can afford some stability.)
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

A new NOT for Wikinews.
Following on from Brian McNeil's comments about a new NOT for Conspiracy theorists, I came up with this. His original message is on the AAA.

Wikinews is NOT the National Enquirer - Occasionally, stuff comes along which looks like news, but actually bares no resemblance to it whatsoever - whether it be a conspiracy theory, cover up, whatever... The word "news" exists in our title for a reason, and that is - We publish news. News is real, not made up theorems and (bullshit/crud/cobblers/crap/insert your own word here) that exists in someone's head purely for the purpose of creating argument or controversy. That's why the National Enquirer exists. If you want publicity for your crackpot ideas, tell them. If you want blocking for them, tell us. BarkingFish (talk) 11:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If we're going to have this as a policy, I'd rather a more internationalised name. I haven't a clue what the National Enquirer is, and that Wikipedia article doesn't help too much. 'News must be verifiable'? At the moment it's too US-centric, on a par with the the Anglocentric 'Wikinews is not Speaker's Corner'. — μ 12:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Absent an example, perhaps Wikinews is not a supermarket tabloid? Or if we want an example — and if the bar is simply that the Wikipedia article should make the nature of the example clear — how about Wikinews is not the Weekly World News?
 * --Pi zero (talk) 14:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * --Pi zero (talk) 14:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Define "conspiracy". There are crappy consiracy theories around for any event you care to mention, and they are not news. However, some are real enough. Just ask Ali Dizaei, Victoria Thorne, Peter Lightfoot or Sarfaz Ibrahim. They'll tell you that corrupt conspiracies are very much out there. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is not for unfounded speculation would be better in my mind. Conspiracy theories can be news, just usually not in their own right. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok then, thanks for the comments, how about this:

Wikinews is NOT for Rumor and Speculation - Occasionally, stuff comes along which looks like news, but actually bares no resemblance to it whatsoever - whether it be a conspiracy theory, cover up, "aliens ate my shed..." - The word "news" exists in our title for a reason, and that is; We publish news. News is real, not the ravings of some crackpot, spouting whatever comes into their mind, purely for the purpose of creating argument or controversy or having their 5 minutes of fame. That's why supermarket tabloids exist. If you want publicity for rubbish, tell them. If you want blocking for it, tell us. BarkingFish (talk) 01:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Sonia, from Wikipedia, has very kindly sanitized my version, at my request, and come up with something perfect - It's better than my ranty one, so I suggest this to you:

Wikinews is NOT for idle speculation- Occasionally, stuff comes along which looks like news, but actually bears no resemblance to it whatsoever - be it a conspiracy theory, coverup, "aliens ate my shed...", or some other unfounded sensationalism hiding behind the sheen of news. The word "news" exists in our title for a reason-- we publish news.

I recommend this to you, more than mine. It's spot on. BarkingFish (talk) 01:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If I can find a link, I'll change that 'aliens ate my shed' to 'bus on the moon' - courtesy of the Sport. It'd be good to find a way to link to N.I. as well. USians will know that one. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

IMHO this should go under What Wikinews articles are not, rather than What Wikinews is not. (For one thing, I like the note that the "What Wikinews is not" list now ends on.)
 * Wikinews articles are not idle speculation. Occasionally, stuff comes along that looks like news, but actually bears no resemblance to it whatsoever — be it a conspiracy theory, coverup, "aliens ate my shed...", or some other unfounded sensationalism hiding behind the sheen of news. The word "news" exists in our title for a reason: we publish news.

--Pi zero (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Might I suggest we kill two birds with one stone, and add "celebrity rumours and gossip" to that? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good in principle. How would that read?  --Pi zero (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * news:
 * New information of interest.
 * Reports of current events broadcast via media such as newspapers or television.
 * Celebrity news qualifies as news. Perhaps not to me, or to you, but Wikinews is not about me or you. -  Amgine | t 01:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Celebrity news" and unfounded, often libelous "celebrity rumours and gossip" are not one and the same. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 01:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rumors and gossip aren't news; celebrities only come into it because they're a particularly common topic of rumors and gossip (argh! now you've got me putting u's in my rumors, and my spell-checker is mad at me). I gave a failing review a while back to an article whose focal event was (iirc) a conservative US political commentator naming some unlikely politician as a possible 2012 presidential candidate, which resulted in various other commentators expressing their opinions on why the first one had done that.

 * To try out an actual wording, what if we simply sub "idle speculation" by "idle speculation, rumor, or gossip"?
 * Wikinews articles are not idle speculation, rumor, or gossip. Occasionally, stuff comes along that looks like news, but actually bears no resemblance to it whatsoever — be it a conspiracy theory, coverup, "aliens ate my shed...", or some other unfounded sensationalism hiding behind the sheen of news. The word "news" exists in our title for a reason: we publish news.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But this is already covered under press releases and editorials. Every factual statement must be sourced, restrict from commenting. -  Amgine | t 02:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not all of this shit is 'Nice PR Output' - which is why celebrities win libel actions when they bring them. Also, I note that under my jurisdiction there is a basic right to privacy. Now, that is unenforceable in Florida where the servers sit, and hence my problem, but I do think it reasonable to note that some celebrity stories are not in the public interest. One recent British example (back in the headlines this month for an unrelated legal point) concerned a celeb photographed exiting drug rehab; a string of courts, ending in Strasbourg, agree with me that the line had been crossed. The private lives of random people are not news - especially when reported as 'rumoured' or 'believed' to be true. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Will this new policy cover the comments: namespace? Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is only about what we publish; the opinions pages aren't involved. (It's also not a policy, but that's a technical point.)  --Pi zero (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

The limits of celebrity 'news'
I tend to favour the more blanket ban comments above from BRS imply. I would favour more in the way of whitelisting celebrity-related coverage that whacking every misguided regurgitation of a press release that mainstream media pick up.

Failing that, a requirement that celeb-related article authors enunciate their newsworthiness justification. Then, with glee, we can shoot down twitter spats, games of musical boyfriends, drunken excess, and openings of the latest Evil Empire supermarket or restaurant. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Sports event coverage? Scores, league standings?
There's plenty of other places to find this kind of info, but wouldn't it fit nicely into WN mission? Key professional leagues (and NCAA?) might very well be willing to make their daily scores/standings available for inclusion under CC:BY. I see there was one effort to present standings of MLB in the WN: MLB portal, but it was last updated in spring 2010. After some searching, I can't find any policy regarding this, please disregard and forgive if I've overlooked the info or some discussion of the challenges of keeping the data current. --Bookerj (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Typo correction: writers.com
Rule 4 of WN:NOT addresses the notion that WN is not a free wiki host or webspace provider. Aspiring writers are referred to 2 websites where they can post writings that may not fit here. The link to writers.com is misspelled - in both the link and its label (the w is omitted.)  I could not find who is empowered to edit the page, but hope this pointer is useful. --Bookerj (talk) 15:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like a typo, but rather a site that has disappeared. Writers.com is not a site of the type the sentence describes.  As an immediate measure, I commented out the broken link.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see what you mean. Lots of sites do offer free hosting, especially for bloggers,, but even that's a bit off topic for WN:What_Wikinews_is_not.  I noted that the broken-link sitename Riters.com referenced in rule 4 has been spelled that way since the original post of WN:NOT, 1 Jan 2005.  -Thanks--Bookerj (talk) 07:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

SeedWiki - no longer exists
Hi everyone, I've seen that a link to SeedWiki given in the project page and clicked on it. It says: seedwiki has fallen too low for me to rebuild it so i've turned it off i still have hopes of building a new style wiki ken tyler So, it might be useful to change that example with another free and opensource wiki. Friendly --Universal Life (talk) 09:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I mean What_Wikinews_is_not Point No.4 --Universal Life (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Updated with WikiDot.com. (Not an open-source project, but based on Pear's Text_Wiki engine.) -  Amgine | t 17:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Mamdouh Habib to be released from Guantanamo Bay without charge

It strikes me, that Simeon's edit has watered the article down with relatively meaningless words and quotes. Almost by definition, quotes from Ruddock (the government's chief lawyer) and Habib's Lawyer will be extreme, supporting their own camp. The article has degenerated into a slanging match.

Do others agree? I'm not prepared to roll back things on my own, but I will lend my support if others choose to. Does Simeon see my point? If so does he want to address them with further editing? 202.154.105.254 04:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Criteria for deletion

The deletion guidelines cover regular deletions, in contrast to speedy deletions, which have strict guidelines on when they can be used.

Anyone using Wikinews may request that an article be deleted, using the process outlined on Deletion requests page, where the case for and against deletion of the article is argued. Only those with administrator privileges, or higher, have the ability to delete pages.

For a page to be deleted, it should meet criteria listed below, and the community should agree that the article needs deletion. If you think any of these guidelines are unfair, please see if you can improve them, or discuss them on the talk page. Please bear in mind that Wikinews is a significantly different project from Wikipedia or any of the others the Wikimedia Foundation hosts.

Wikinews administrators can restore deleted pages following an undeletion request.

If in doubt... don't delete!
While the following guidelines discourage deletion, a on Wikinews is "facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news."

Please use deletion only as a last resort. Before nominating or voting on an article, consider: is there any way the article could be fixed, instead of deleted. Are you personally really sure the article is a candidate for deletion at all, or are you reacting with what seems to you at the time an easy and quick solution?

Have you exhausted all of the other fixes available, for example, marking specific problems with the article using a template from Article flags, moving the article — perhaps to a user's own area ... have you really sat down and thought about it? Have you tried editing it? Are you advocating deletion simply because you personally don't have time to edit it, and you want it "fixed"?

Being a wiki, a medium which is open and easy for anyone to edit, the correct solution here at Wikinews should usually be to edit the article. If you don't have the time yourself, that does not mean someone else will not find the time. If you think there is an issue that you don't personally have time to deal with, please try to bring it to someone's attention before you promote deletion (and don't use a deletion request to accomplish this).

Have you researched the grounds for deletion, or just kind of decided that it seems right? People who create articles spend time to do so, and will not want to see the time wasted, if there is some other recourse. If you simply mark articles for deletion on a hunch, you may cause offense.

Remedies other than deletion — look here first!
Does the page really belong on Deletion requests?

Articles
Read the following table to find out what to do with a problematic article. '''Note: Review should prevent articles from being published with these problems. If it doesn't, the processes are different: If the article is especially problematic or the problem is not addressed within 24 hours of publication, a correction or complete retraction may be needed. Even if a published article is deleted, a stub will be left behind explaining the situation.'''

Other pages
Read the following table to find out what to do with other problematic pages.

Cases where deletion may be required
Below are some cases where deletion may be acceptable to the Wikinews community. Each case still requires discussion according to the procedure outlined at Deletion requests. The table below also lists alternative actions that should be examined first for each case.

Background information and tips concerning common cited reasons for deletion requests

 * Suspected copyright violation
 * Copyright, Fair use
 * Laws vary from place to place, and Wikinews needs to establish whether the law or guideline applied is specific to the location of originator, or to the location of the suspected infringed material's source, or to the location of the physical servers of Wikinews, or to the location of the people who administer Wikinews, or some combination of the above.

 * material
 * Is there a clear, overriding public interest in the material being made public? If so, this may be sufficient to balance defamation.
 * Laws vary from place to place, and Wikinews needs to establish whether the law or guideline applied is specific to the location of originator, or to the location of the suspected defamed entity, or to the location of the physical servers of Wikinews, or to the location of the people who administer Wikinews, or some combination of the above.
 * Will the story stand without the probably defamatory material, if you decide it is that? Can the wording be altered to tone down the allegations?

Access to deleted pages
All admins have access to deleted pages, unless they have been oversighted. If you created an article in good faith, but it was deleted for some reason, and you want to develop it further outside of Wikinews, or want to try to redevelop it into something publishable, you may ask an admin to give you a copy of the deleted article. Assuming the article did not contain any personal or sensitive information, or was overly controversial in some other way, the admin will probably send you the deleted article's contents; however, admins have discretion in this matter, and may deny your request if they do not believe that you have a valid reason.

If you believe a page was deleted improperly, file an undeletion request, at the very bottom of WN:DR.

An admin may not give any deleted contents to a third party without very broad on-wiki consensus. There are no technical options for the current Wikinews community to identify who may have "leaked" a deleted item; those who are granted the access rights to allow such are expected to deal with such issues within the community. "Leaks" of this nature would only serve to fracture the community of contributors granted administrative access, the granting of this privilege bit is a serious responsibility; abuse of access to otherwise private data may have a particularly detrimental impact on the project's ability to get sources to talk to us.

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User talk:144.134.48.175

Welcome
144.134.48.175, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 05:04, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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Wikinews:Welcommittee

The Wikinews Welcommittee is a group of volunteer experienced Wikinews contributors who make themselves available for the following tasks: Anybody may join the Welcommittee, you just need to be willing to help.
 * 1) Welcoming new users (Sample greetings)
 * 2) Acting as guides for new users
 * 3) Striving to make Wikinews an enjoyable community for all

Welcommittee volunteers:
New users are invited to contact any of the below volunteers by clicking on their name to leave any questions on their talk page.

 * -- I will try to be assertive about sending a personal greeting to all new members.
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Inactive members
Listed here are members that have not been active on the site for the past few weeks.

Users Looking For Help
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Wikinews:Welcommittee/greetings

You may use the following greeting ideas to inspire you to make your own, personalized greetings.

 * → See Template messages/User talk namespace as well.

This page states using templates as-is, however it is preferred to make an edit where you substitute the text from the template onto the user's page. So, for the standard hello template you'd put --~. The advantage of this is that the user has something they can edit whereas use of the template can lead to newbies being confused when they attempt to edit the template itself - which may well be protected.

Generic "hello" greeting at Template:Welcome:
Type:  to get a result like this: -- Davodd | Talk 05:26, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC) '''Please be sure to put a space between and your signature (~).

Anon Welcome (Template:Welcome-anon)
Type:  to get a result like this: --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Aussie hello (template:Aussiehello)
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UK Hello (template:UKhello)
Type  to get a result like this: --User:Anonymous101 18:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Canadian hello (Template:Canadianhello)
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OR sources - (Template:Needorsources)
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Copyvio - (template:Copyvio sas)
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Test - (Template:test)
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Missing Information - (Template:Missinginfo)
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Wikinews talk:Deletion requests/Archives

Shouldn't these archives be put on the article's TALK page instead of kept here? It seems they would be more useful attached to the article in question, to allow future readers (or those wanting to re-nominate) know the history here. -- Davodd | Talk 07:02, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Annual
I implemented annual archiving as volume has decreased and quarterly seems to be over-kill. --SVTCobra 01:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/January 13, 2005

January 13, 2005

The following stories made international headlines Thurssday:

Mars rover Opportunity finds odd rock
One of the two NASA's rovers roaming on planet Mars for over a year has stumbled upon a rock unlike any other previously seen: according to the machine's instruments, the rock may be made out of metal. Scientists on the project suspect that the object is a meteorite, and are continuing to examine it with the rover's other analysis and imaging tools.
 * Sources: MSNBC

UK prince in Nazi uniform causes stir
Britain's Prince Harry was photographed wearing a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband, while puffing on a cigarette at a costume party. The picture made the front page of London's The Sun newspaper. The Prince's father, Prince Charles, ordered Harry to visit Auschwitz to learn more about the Holocaust.
 * Sources: BBC News, Reuters

New wave of mad-cow panic hits Canada
With two new cases of bovine spongiform encephalopathy confirmed over the past two weeks, Canada's beef industry is reeling.
 * ''Source: Toronto Star

U.S. calls off hunt for Hussein-era WMDs in Iraq
The White House admits that its two-year search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction has ended. U.S. investigators came up empty handed in their search for WMDs, a main reason cited by the administration for the invasion of the Middle East country.
 * ''Source: Los Angeles Times

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User talk:Royans~enwikinews

Welcome
Royans, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 08:49, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Royans. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Royans~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Arminius~enwikinews

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Arminius. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Arminius~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thatcher Pleads Guilty in Coup Plot

January 13, 2005

Mark Thatcher, son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was fined US$500,000 and given a four-year suspended jail sentence after pleading guilty to unwittingly helping finance a coup plot.

Thatcher's plea-bargain terms include cooperating with investigators, despite having left Cape Town on Thursday to return to London.

The charges brought against him relate to the financing of a helicopter that he claimed was to have been used as an air ambulance. In his plea bargain, he admitted that he had realised the intended mercenary use of the helicopter before the conclusion of the deal.

title: Thatcher Pleads Guilty in Coup Plot