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Category:North-West Frontier Province needs to be added. Ali Rana (talk) 05:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
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Archive of responses provided by Riaz A Hakeem
this Interview archive page.
 * This interview contains exerpts of Mr. Hakeems answers. His uneditted replies can be found on

Preparation following up on this request for interview

Background
Concerns raised over resurgent militant activity along the porous border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Unnamed U.S. intelligence officials tell the NYT that there is "mounting" evidence of Al-qaeda is establishing an "operations hub" in North Waziristan, and has re-established "significant control" over its global network. have called it a "major setback" in efforts to combat 'Qaida.

Pakistan: doing its best. Press Counsellor Shafqat Jalil, Pakistan Mission to the United Nations, in letter published by The Times Friday, called report "factually incorrect", "based on faulty intelligence". said Pakistan "captured, killed 600 operatives", "deployed 80,000 troops", shares intelligence.

Taliban "senior commander" Mullah Dadullah told Reuters by satellite phone on Friday, warned of attacks in spring, "6000 fighters", possess weapons to bring down helicopters. did not say from where supplied.

U.S. officials told the NYT, Bases established in Pakistan, used for training figthers who are then sent to Afghanistan. not on scale, sophistication of Taliban era in Afghanistan.

They also said insurgent activity on the increase following agreement between Pakistan government and Tribal leaders in TODO, under which Pakistan pulled back its troops in the area, and locals promised to end support to "foreign" militants active in the region.

Pakistan says that the military strategy to fight militants in area failed, and reconstruction, aid needed is needed instead.

Official U.S. response
Bush: "Wild West"

Dick Cheney surprise visit to Pakistan, Afghanistan. no public comment in Pakistan, "expressed U.S. apprehensions of regrouping of al-Qaida in the tribal areas and called for concerted efforts in countering the threat,", "serious U.S. concerns on the intelligence being picked up of an impending Taliban and al-Qaida 'spring offensive'" according to Musharraf's office. Musharraf: most of the Taliban activities originated from Afghanistan and the solution of the issue also lies within that country, office statement

US State department spokesman President Musharraf government "committed to fighting terror and to working with us" daily briefing on Tuesday,

US House of Representatives legislation ban economic, military aid to Pakistan unless making "all possible efforts" to stop Taliban operating in territory. Prez can waive in interests of national security

US assistance $27.5 billion since 9/11/2001

Background
political makeup of FATA, NWFP. Economic, development indicators.

FATA extreme poverty, scant social services, non-existent development projects, and very low health and literacy rates -- the worst in Pakistan.

region served as base for ISI managed insurgency against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, funded by CIA, Saudi

Experts allege Pakistan military officials support Taliban, to counter India. Opposition parties and critics in Pakistan have expressed concerns over the allegation. India has maintained for decades that Pakistan covertly backs separatist forces in Kashmir.

murder in November of 42 army recruits by a Taliban suicide bomber on a parade ground in the NWFP

Pakistan NWFP governor: "military campaign turned tribals against government, drove them to support militants".

permits needed for foreign reporters to travel to border areas.

Recent reports
Pak army took foreign reporters to border, 2,400km (1,491-mile) border. to display border securing measures local tribal leaders gathered to declare support for deal

in South Waziristan, militants took reporters on tour, leader, Beitullah Mehsud, told a BBC reporter, will fight to expel "infidel" foreign troops from Islamic countries.

NWFP Governor Lt.Gen. Ali Mohammad Jan Aurakzai Friday said forty to fifty families of foreign origin have left North Waziristan Agency in first week of September last

Pakistan Taliban is the de facto political leadership” in North and South Waziristan, Yusufzai believes.

delegation of South Waziristan tribal elders led by MMA Senator met Baithullah Mehsud on Wednesday. in Feb 2005, peace accord signed with BM, BM declared vengeance for Jan 16 airstrike on suspected militant camp in S Waz, killed 20 people. BM linked to spate of suicide bombing in Pakistan, not officially. BM said not involved in bombings

Yusufzai: meeting shows govt still willing to work with BM. military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan declined comment. Musharraf last week,

murder in November of 42 army recruits by a Taliban suicide bomber on a parade ground in the NWFP

Peshawar police chief Malik Saad, Deputy Inspector General (DIG), and Khan Raziq, Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP),  along with 14 others killed in suicide bomb blast on January 27, 2007 in Peshawar. "cannot rule out the involvement of a foreign hand", NWFP Governor Ali Mohammad Jan Aurakzai and Interior Secretary Syed Kamal Shah. Peshawar in "grip of grief and terror"

A Polio immunisation programme has been resisted by locals, who fear that the western-supplied drugs are a means to impose birth-control on the local population or refuse out of religious or other reasons. Rizwan Ali, campaign manager with the United Nations World Health Organization (WHO) in Peshawar: 24,288 refusals in January 2007. NWFP reported 15 of Pakistan's 39 polio cases last year. Officials say refusals have left at least 160,000 children vulnerable. $196 million annual campaign, led by UN, government support. Doctor killed, three others injured when car hit by remote-controlled roadside bomb, while on polio drive, on February 16, 2007 in Bajaur, Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

"In Peshawar and other parts of North-West Frontier Province, which abuts the tribal areas, residents say English-language schools have received threats, schoolgirls have been warned to veil themselves, music is being banned and men are told not to shave their beards....

...There is consensus that a large-scale military operation, like the kinds that have failed in recent years, is not the solution. But some diplomats say that the series of peace deals that the government struck with tribal leaders and militants in South and North Waziristan has not worked either." NewYorkTimes report > Pakistani Militants Hit Targets Close to Home

"Pakistan is both more complicated and less dangerous than America has been led to believe. General Musharraf has portrayed himself as America’s last line of defense in an angry and dangerous land...

...An exaggerated fear of Pakistan’s people must not prevent America from realizing that Pakistanis are turning away from General Musharraf. By prolonging his rule, the general risks taking Pakistan backward and undermining much of the considerable good that he has been able to achieve. The time has come for him to begin thinking of a transition, and for Americans to realize that, scare stories notwithstanding, a more democratic Pakistan might be better not just for Pakistanis but for Americans as well." New York Times > Pakistan’s Silent Majority Is Not to Be Feared

"In a bold challenge to the government, a cleric said yesterday that he had formed an Islamic court to enforce a Taliban-style vice campaign in the Pakistani capital, threatening suicide attacks if authorities try to stop him." Stephen Graham, Associated Press > Cleric sets up Islamic court in Pakistan, The Boston Golbe

"President of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (PML) Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain undertook what appeared to be a reconciliation process by holding a meeting with the heads of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa on Saturday night. However, no progress was reported as the two brothers stuck to their stand about enforcement of 'Sharia'." by Ahmed Hassan on Dawn > Clerics stick to their guns: Shujaat holds talks at Lal Masjid

Frontier constabulary
U.S. to provide $2.7 million worth security and communications equipment, to enhance the FC's capability, provide for 50 more platoons. U.S. committed to provide $20 million to border-security, counter-narcotics operation.
 * U.S. Official Announces Aid to Pakistan
 * President Musharraf assures to hold general elections this year: Boucher

Questions for Mr. Riaz Hakeem

 * recent travel in the region
 * friends/family in Peshawar? how affected by security situation?, radicalism? prevailing sentiment?
 * policy suggestions?
 * Frontier Constabulory
 * Job training for work in Gulf countries
 * involved in, observed, have knowledge of aid/development projects in area?
 * what does the Pashtun Foundation do? what plans? considered working with international/US efforts in area?

C/E. Is that appropriate.
EdBrown, I know this is your article, which is being prepared and not yet published. However, I did some copy-edit. Mostly it was: punctuation, wiki-links, and spelling. I hope I didn't upset you. --SVTCobra 01:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No SVT. I did begin to form some feelings over sanitizing Mr. Hakeems responses -- something I do not think should be done. Minor fixes and substantial wikilinks I believe are good in Hakeem's text. Check your email SVTCobra if you haven't already. This is a community thing. -Edbrown05 01:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

styling of Al-Qaeda
You are styling al Qaeda as AL-Qaeda. Everywhere that I have seen it the "al" is lower-case unless the first word of sentence. Kind of like the word "the" in English. --SVTCobra 02:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Parentheses
I didn't read very far through yet, but I noticed stuff in parentheses. Are these clarificatiions by you as the editor or did the interviewee speak in a manner that led to parentheses? If not, they might be better in square brackets [], with an editors note. Let me give you an example: Under the question What is the current situation in North-West Frontier Province? part the answer is "(I would urge you to read Kiplings "East is East & West is West." one more time, know this time that it is written about the Pashtun people.)" Is that by you, the interviewer or the interviewee? --SVTCobra 03:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I stepped away for a while... the [] I used and perhaps wished I didn't as an editor bracket, anything else in parentheses is by Mr. Hakeem. -Edbrown05 13:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Resurgent
Are you using "resurgent" as a noun? Are you trying to coin a new word usage? Is this because you don't like the word "insurgent"? --SVTCobra 13:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "resurgent" is being used as a verb (I think!). It is a bit awkward. -Edbrown05 13:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In the title I think it would be ok to use present tense "resurge" but I actually meant in the third paragraph "Resurgents there, led by Taliban and aL-Qaeda groups . . ." --SVTCobra 13:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I missed that. Of course that change to "insurgent" can/will be made.
 * I afraid that I have hit a brick wall with formulating a question for Mr. Hakeem on the topic of courts being set up to dispense justice under Sharia law.
 * Thoughts? -Edbrown05 13:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be very interesting subject, here's how I might ask the question: It has been my understanding that justice in these areas of Pakistan has been handled by tribal elders, following a mixture of tribal tradition and Islamic law. Would you say that the Taliban influence has caused a stricter intrepretation of Islamic law in the NWFP? Has there been a shift from tribal elders to clerics, as the main interpreters of law? --SVTCobra 15:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Question looks good and on the mark... Adding it to the interview, and emailing Mr. Hakeem for finalizing this. -Edbrown05 08:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be very interesting subject, here's how I might ask the question: It has been my understanding that justice in these areas of Pakistan has been handled by tribal elders, following a mixture of tribal tradition and Islamic law.

1.	Would you say that the Taliban influence has caused a stricter interpretation of Islamic law in the NWFP?

2.	Has there been a shift from tribal elders to clerics, as the main interpreters of law?

You question is in two parts as above.

The simple answer is: 1.	Yes. The Maliks, or tribal elders who consider themselves quite conservatively religious, even so had a laid back attitude towards enforcement of religious doctrine. That is where the difference comes. My opinion is that this is the reason that the Maliks supported the government of Pakistan in South Waziristan, which has recently been in the news having kicked out the militant Uzbek who came as guests in the post-soviet era and started mischief of their own but am not sure what their agenda was to begin with, and I myself have questions about their presence as to why they were not reported earlier, since reporting the presence of any foreigner(s) in the FATA is job one of the Pakistani Political Agents (PA). Why is the presence of the Uzbeks and the Chechen in the area just coming to light? Remember there are seven of these PA's - one for each FATA. The Taliban emulated the Saudi system of having a department concerned with citizens’ morals, even the name is the same, the department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, and this department has – as in Saudi Arabia, an enforcement police, called mutawwa'in, a morals law-enforcement agency.

2.	Yes there has been a movement in that direction but it has started a power struggle between the clerics who traditionally have been at the lowest strata of the social structure, to now when they have seen a bigger role for themselves first from the Taliban in Afghanistan – but also the government of the MMA in the NWFP who are nothing more than glorified clerics themselves, only a little smarter in exploiting religion politically, and the MMA is largely non-Pashtun which is a source of discontent in that they stand in the way of Pashtun nationalism, such as it is, because it only rears its head when non-Pashtuns start to usurp power over what the Pashtun consider their turf.

Page two: The Rest of the Story:

The Pashtun on both sides of the Durand line are intertwined. Now you have Taliban news on one side on the border in Pakistan, then on the other side in Afghanistan. There ought to be a cohesive Pashtun Policy in the State Department, in my opinion, not an Afghan policy and a Pakistan policy.

Let me illustrate with a story from the other side of the Durand line:

The respected European think-tank, Senlis Council, which focuses on Afghanistan, just dropped a bombshell of their own by reporting that the Taliban movement is `taking back Afghanistan’ and now controls that nation’s southern half. This is a stark contradiction from ISAF claims that they are winning the war in Afghanistan. Or in this case as in Iraq, to be winning it again, since the Bush Administration has already claimed victory in Afghanistan in 2001. But the Senlis Council reports that southern Afghanistan is suffering “a humanitarian crisis of starvation and poverty…caused by “ US-British military policies. Senlis further reports that, “US policies in Afghanistan have re-created the safe haven for terrorism that the 2001 invasion aimed to destroy.” Certainly the poppy crops are at record levels as is often reported. The Afghans are now telling the West to control the “demand” side of the drug trade.

If you think this is outside the scope of this story, simply hit the delete key!

I have dealt with a number of these issues in my previous answers however I never did find a suitable graphic image, or map to go with my explanation. I think I may have found one that suits our purpose but am unable to embedded it here. This map may belong at the beginning of the story, so the names of the places have some point of reference to them. What I would like to do is go down the area from North to South, and give a salient features analysis, the kind missing from other news reports. I would give a starting point below, but am stop short of the whole nine yards because it is quite an undertaking and it is may also be outside the scope of our current story.--RHakeem 08:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The 'two questions in one' maybe kind of irritates you as it is presented on the "article" page.
 * I found "the rest of the story" section pretty interesting.
 * You can do a upload of a map here for starters, or send it to me and I could upload it for you.
 * I'm unclear on your forward viewing intentions for this interview (meaning): "is go down the area from North to South, and give a salient features analysis, the kind missing from other news reports". -Edbrown05 09:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, no it did not, I just wanted to be clear which answer went with which question, so I had to assign them numbers. I like it that you found my "the rest of the story" interesting, because if you liked it, and others like it, then it might induce me to allocate the time to it, which a project like that would require. The main issue for me is to expose the western readers to the paradigm of the Pashtun people, who are not a monolithic group at some 60 million souls. I uploaded a map, but I messed up so I need to redo it. Now Brian is asking for a source for the Map; I am not a cartographer, so I need some guidance as to what are acceptable sources. You are not likely to find this copyrighted, if that is the concern - but I can't prove that. It's the classic issue of proving the absence of something - it cant be done, well not easily anyway.

What I was proposing in my "forward viewing intentions" is that in my mind at least there is not an immediate relevancy to the story at hand - well not at first blush. The idea was to go FATA by FATA and define the unique features of that zone, Agency, the Tribe that inhabits it etc. For example the Northern most is Bajaur agency - pronounced Baja'weRe - with the stress on the "R" that I have capitalized. In Pashto, the last syllable is more likely to be the one stressed unlike English where we put the emphasis on the first syllable. So why was this Agency singled out for the missile strike? Which tribe of Pashtun inhabit this Agency - Agency is shorthand for a single FATA - so that instead of saying the Bajaur Federally Administered Tribal Area - you might read the "Bajaur Agency" instead. This would be interesting, and in the some sort of way it could be all tied to the continuing saga of the terror of war, however it would not seem so at first glance, that is why I am simply testing the waters first before I commit to such a large task, which could easily take months to complete, and I will require some editorial help, to say the least so as to keep me away from these cliche's. I hope that explains my intention clearly enough.--RHakeem 01:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

radical surgery
have tried some radical surgery on this here. –Doldrums(talk) 19:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


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Egypt sentences blogger to four years for insulting Islam

February 27, 2007 An Egyptian blogger, Abdul Kareem Suleiman Amer, known online as Kareem Amer, was sentenced to four years in prison on Thursday for insulting Islam on his weblog.

Blogs had been considered a relatively safe means of expression for citizens of countries with restrictive Islamic laws. Mideast governments have harassed and arrested bloggers before, but Kareem is the first to receive jail time.

Kareem had written about becoming a human rights lawyer and working for the betterment of Muslim and Arabic women; however, the Al-Azhar University expelled him in 2006 for criticizing the school's religious leaders.

He had criticized various Muslim beliefs and suggested that there was no God. The court took special interest in his posting to Coptic blogs, i.e. those run by Egyptian Christians.

His arrest last November inspired rallies in Washington, Rome, Paris, London, and Stockholm.

Gamal Eid, the Executive Director of the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information, said that the most repressive regime for blogging had been Tunisia, followed by Saudi Arabia, Syria and Libya, which have blocked sites and limited internet access. Expressing surprise at the severity of the sentence given Egypt's recent history, he said it was a "gloomy day for all the advocates of freedom of expression", not only in Egypt but also around the world.

Reporters Without Borders, the Paris-based advocacy group for press freedom condemned the sentence. Pointing out that President Mubarak had promised in 2004 to end prison terms for press offenses, it called the sentence a "message of intimidation" to Egyptian bloggers who, it said, were emerging as an "effective bulwark" against what it called the regime’s authoritarian excesses.


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Explosion near Afganistan base kills at least 19, U.S. Vice President may have been target

February 27, 2007

A suicide attack at, Afghanistan at 10:30 a.m. Afghan time has left at least 19 dead reports the Associated Press. President Hamid Karzai's office said 23 people were killed and 20 were injured. Agence France-Presse has reported that at least one U.S. soldier was killed in the attack. A South Korean soldier was among those killed said South Korea's defence ministry.

, who claims to be a Taliban spokesman, said that Dick Cheney was the target of the attack. Cheney made a surprise visit to the base. He ate breakfast with Major General David Rodriguez, commander of the 82nd Airborne Division and troops. Cheney had been in his room before the explosion occurred. He was quickly escorted to a nearby bomb shelter, where he remained, unharmed, until the situation settled.

Cheney told reporters traveling with him, when informed of who claimed responsibility for the attack, "I think they clearly try to find ways to question the authority of the central government," he said according to Donna Miles of the. "Striking at Bagram with a suicide bomber, I suppose, is one way to do that. But it shouldn't affect our behavior at all."


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During my conversations with people in new york city i have confirmed that there is a massive amount of cops in the area. also the information about cheney was leaked through conversations on cops in the area
 * If original sources are being used, then they shld be identified better than "sources in nyc. The article was put together very sloppy. If there is anything going on in New York that you can witness, you can write it at the bottom, or request an interview.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


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Microsoft to acquire health information search engine

February 27, 2007

Microsoft decided to buy a health information search engine called Medstory. This is the company's first step towards an involvement in the health market. The software that Medstory develops involves artificial intelligence techniques which are applied to both medical and health information stored in medical journals, as well as government documents. No additional information on the Medstory purchase was disclosed.

According to Peter Neupert, vice president for health strategy at Microsoft, the acquisition of Medstory represents the first step in assembling technologies which can serve well for the consumer experience in health care.

In 2006 Microsoft bought Azyxxi, which is a clinical health care service system. It searches and displays information about the patient from many sources. The information might be provided by: scanned documents, X-rays and even ultrasound images.

Microsoft decided to make its move into the health care system at a time when many websites, that provide various information on health, started to significantly raise their traffic and receive investments.

The industry analyst and Medstory investor, Esther Dyson, mentioned that the technology provided by Medstory is not just a search engine, it also represents an ontology engine. He also outlined the fact that Microsoft has acquired "some of the best deep technology" in the fast growing field of medical search engines.


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NHL: Tampa Bay Lights Up the Night

February 27, 2007

The Pittsburgh Penguins played at Florida for the second time in two games. The Pens did not have the same luck as they did against the Panthers as they lost 5-1. Tampa Bay played as if they were in the playoffs finishing there checks, getting to the puck and skating well all in this great win to make them a likely candidate for the Playoffs, they are ranked third in Conference and first in division. The Pens, despite losing, are still in a good position to be in the Playoffs, they are fifth in Conference and second in division. The Goal Scoring was credited to, for the Pens: Sergei Gonchar, on a Evgeni Malkin, Sidney Crosby assist. For the Lightning: Martin St. Louis, Paul Ranger, Filip Kuba, Brad Richards, and Vincent Lecavalier, all scoring for Tampa Bay. Assists going to: Brad Richards(3), Dan Boyle, Eric Perrin(2),Ruslan Fedotenko(2), and Martin St. Louis. All in All, the Tampa Bay Lightning should try to stay consistent and play like they did in this game. For the Pens, try to rebound from this loss and try to win against the New Jersey Devils Tuesday.

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Hi there! I deleted your article, as it was a copyright violation. On Wikinews, we write new articles based on the news, we don't simply republish existing ones directly. We'd welcome an article on this topic if you'd like to write one, but as it was, we couldn't publish it. Thanks. -- Zanimum 16:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Billboard holds benefit Oscar party for Children Uniting Nations

February 27, 2007

Professional photographer John B. Mueller was at the Children Uniting Nations/Billboard Academy Awards afterparty red carpet, taking photos for Wikinews. It is one of the largest events, following only the Vanity Fair and Elton John AIDS Foundation Party in size.

Among the guests at the event were Lil' Kim, Bow Wow, Ruben Studdard, Diane DeGarmo, DMX, Darryl 'DMC' McDaniels, DJ Spinderella, Dennis Hopper, Blu Cantrell, Tyler Hilton, Erik Palladino, Daniel Cage, Farnsworth Bentley, Aaron Carter, Nick Carter, Cindy Margolis, LaToya Jackson, AJ McLean, Joey Fatone, Shar Jackson, Tyrese, Tyson Beckford, Tara Reid, Rosie Perez, Radha Mitchell, MC Lyte, Jane Seymour, James Keach, Fran Drescher, Tommy Davidson, Bruce Davison, and Adam Kowalczyk.

Even Mickey Rooney stopped by to watch the ceremonies.

Larry Birkhead, boyfriend of the late-Anna Nicole Smith was still on the guest list, according to press materials. No media outlet reported him attending, so it is likely he stayed in Florida for the on-going legal proceedings.

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U.S. stocks plummet amid global sell-off

February 27, 2007

The biggest U.S. stock market index, the Dow Jones, plunged by more than 416 points by the closing bell on Tuesday, the worst single-day decline since the re-opening of the markets following the September 11th terrorist attacks. The slip followed a 9% sell-off in Chinese markets. Other stock indices, such as the Nasdaq and the S&P 500, dipped by 96 points and 50 points, respectively. It was the 7th largest single-day decline is U.S. history.

Analysts blamed the slide on a number of factors: (1) U.S. and Chinese stock exchanges had powered upward for too long and were due for a significant correction; (2) inflation and the prices of bonds and equities had become too high; (3) the U.S. is headed for an economic recession. Alan Greenspan indicated on Monday that the U.S. economy would not sustain its recent growth, where the Dow Industrials set day-to-day records and the White House signaled on Tuesday that it would revise its estimate of fourth-quarter 2006 GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent and was increasingly nervous that the figure could come in even lower.

Around 3 p.m. EST, Reuters reported that the New York Stock Exchange had implemented on-floor tradition restrictions meant to curb the sell off.

The decline also occurred on the day that a plot to assassinate U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney failed in Afghanistan.


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Barack Obama
I got you started with the Barack Obama article. I renamed it to Barack Obama raises $25M for presidential campaign, as it was no longer a preparation, added an image, and a source; but it will need to be expanded just a bit more before being published. Happy editing :) —Zachary talk 17:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your pictures?
Sir, I took these pictures with my own camera. I would not steal anyone else's photos, I believe you're mistaken. Heck, I have an SD card full of these photos. --TUFKAAP - (talk) 10:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Ummm.. the EXIF data on my photos clearly states it's a Samsung Techwin camera: Camera manufacturer Samsung Techwin Camera model  --TUFKAAP - (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't you just tell me
Why didn't you just tell me that I ended up with the Corrospondent credit by mistake, instead you went on this on long-winded vauge explanation that made it sound like I stole your photos. Blah, try and clarify next time so we don't have to go through a pointless arguement. ;) :) --TUFKAAP - (talk) 03:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Scientology article
Hi there Rankun, Thanks for your contributions to Scientology protest group celebrates founder's birthday worldwide. You may or may not be aware that the majority of contributions made after 48 hours of publication will be reverted as Wikinews wants to show the news as it has happened at the time, to allow it to build an archive showing peoples knowledge of the event at the time. Unfortunately, you added to Scientology protest group celebrates founder's birthday worldwide over 48 hours after the articles creation, so those edits have now been reverted. For more information on this policy please ask me at my talk page. Thanks, Anonymous101. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous101 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Rankun. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Rankun~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

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Renamed
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User talk:121.97.192.40

I deleted "Sample article" as it was a blank page. If you would like to write news articles, see our introduction. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  21:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Canadian PM announces C$200 million for Afghanistan aid

February 28, 2007

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Monday, announced CAN$200 million for the cleanup of war-torn Afghanistan.

The money will be used for hospitals and broken roads as well as other important projects that will help Afghanistan. The $100 million has been added to the $100 million already used in the country, which will be used over the next 10 years.

"Thanks to the Canadian Forces efforts, the fragile peace that reigns over most of the country has been extended to large parts of Kandahar province," Harper said during a news conference in Ottawa. "Now it's time to consolidate those security gains on the ground and use them to advance reconstruction because the long-suffering Afghan people desperately need hope for a better future for their families and communities."

"Afghanistan is a long way from home, but the issues we are addressing here — building democracy, reducing poverty, fighting terrorism, celebrating pluralism — matter for the entire world," Harper said. "Global security hinges on success in Afghanistan... Afghanistan is on the frontline of the international security challenge of the modern post-war world. We must build a successful alternative there in order to defeat extremism and terrorism everywhere."

About $120 million is already being spent for governance and development; $30 million for counter-narcotics; $20 million for policing; $20 million for de-mining; and $10 million for road construction.

Various political leaders in Canada want the soldiers to come home from Afghanistan. NDP leader Jack Layton wants the troops pulled out of Kandahar, where the Canadians are currently fighting, immediately. However, in earlier 2006, the Conservative government said the troops will stay until 2009. Before Stéphane Dion was elected as Liberal leader, thirty Liberal MPs suppoted the motion but a majority of them opposed. Stéphane Dion, now leader, says if he were elected Prime Minister, he would pull out all 2,500 troops.

Canada's overal mission in the country is for humanitarian and peacekeeping as well as fighting for peace and an end to the war.


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Talk:U.S. stocks plummet amid global sell-off

The Cheney hit-job has its own article, it doesn't belong here. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC) Useless comments have no worth here without context. The Cheney news is perfectly relevant to this article. -- Author Title changed -- Author
 * Also the title is poor as nearly every market slumped and the grammar of the existing on is not correct. Not sure what the new title should be though.--Markie 22:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:Virginia legislature issues apology for slavery

Revert of slave image
Pic in question on the right, from the wikipedia article on slavery... People keep removing the pic from item... So far, it got reverted bc it was either "not related to story" or "too loaded". I think that although editors might have good faith, these excuses are utterly non-sense. If we are unable to acknowledge slavery for what it was, I don't think there is anywhere to go from here. Towsonu2003 23:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wikinews focus is now. Now is what the Virginia legislature did. The image appended to the article is covered in the Wikipedia link to slavery, and serves this report by adding "shock" value, something MessedRocker attempted to address. -Edbrown05 23:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Acknowledging slavery and using this image on a news article are unrelated items. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ok then. Towsonu2003 04:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Not an Apology, But a Regret
The House Joint Resolution doesn't speak of an "apology", but of a "profound regret". I'm not a native English speaker, but I think this is a significant difference. I suggest that a native English speaker familiar with the subject may rethink the title of the article. 84.149.210.227 22:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Link to the House Joint Resolution
The link to the House Joint Resolution 728 links to the proposal. Here is the link to the Resolution agreed to by the House and Senate: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?071+ful+HJ728ER 84.149.210.227 22:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


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Man United hold on for FA win at Reading

February 27, 2007

and Manchester United clashed today in a fifth round replay at the Madjeski Stadium. Neither team fielded a full strength side, with and  von the bench for Reading, and Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney as substitutes for United.

United started the game with a blitz, scoring 3 goals in the first 6 minutes. started the scoring by shooting in a cross. Two minutes later, received a long ball from  and sent the ball into the back of the net, doubling the lead. then scored the 3rd, as he beat the offside trap and curled the ball into the net. Reading did not give up the fight, and scored on 23 minutes, when headed home an Ingimarson cross. The game stayed at the 3-1 scoreline for much of the rest of the game, until 84 minutes, when Leroy Lita scored to force an edgy finish. Litas powerful header off a Glen Little cross left keeper helpless, leaving Reading in sight of extra time. A shot by which rattled of the crossbar could have caused an amazing comeback, but Manchester United were able to hold on, and advance to the sixth round of the FA cup.

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New Zealand's anti-spam bill now law

February 28, 2007

Last night the New Zealand Parliament passed the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Act, which now makes it illegal to send spam from New Zealand that does not include the sender's details, and an unsubscribe facility, which also applies to normal commercial e-mails and porn e-mails.

New Zealand previously had no defense from spammers sending spam from New Zealand, which accounts for around 10% of all spam internationally.

All members of parliament voted for the bill, except for two ACT MP's with their leader saying that it will place extra costs on small businesses who wish to market their services.

Critics are also damning the act, saying that it will do little to combat the spam, because most of it comes from other countries.

The law also prohibits spam instant messaging and spam text messages.

Spam in New Zealand accounts for 80% of all e-mails in the inbox.

David Cunliffe, minister of information technology, said, "This legislation enables Kiwis to join the global fight against spam. International cooperation to identify, shut down or block the sources of spam is an important part our anti-spam strategy."

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Talk:Man United hold on for FA win at Reading

Original Reporting Summary
I watched the game live on Television, made notes, and wrote this article based on said notes.Dark Squall 23:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Editprotected
Editprotected Category:Manchester United F.C. to be added for this article. acagastya PING ME! 12:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
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Canadian stock exchange plummets

February 27, 2007

The Toronto Stock Exchange experienced one of its biggest one-day point losses in the wake of a major (9%) stock sell-off in China. The S&P/TSX Composite Index dropped 2.7%, falling 364 points eventually ending the day at 13,040. Despite this 'dramatic' drop, the main Toronto index is still above where it was eight weeks prior at the end of 2006.

Recently, the TSX set seven record highs in nine trading sessions. Its benchmark index doubled since October 2002 as well as experienced a steady rise in commodity prices. The New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) witnessed even larger drops; the Dow Jones Industrial Average saw a loss of 3.3%, fallling 416 points, making it its worst day in almost four years. At its lowest point of the day it dropped 4.3%, falling 550 points. The Nasdaq composite index dropped similarily 96 points to 2,432 for a 3.8% loss.

In total, 498 of the 500 U.S. companies represented in the S&P 500 index fell including all 30 Dow stocks.

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By writing this, I know, I am part of the problem. However, the fact that the Canadian stock market plummeted is just natural follow-up to the global drop. No disrespect to Canada, but the story is the Global drop in stocks. --SVTCobra 02:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Its a global story true, but I wrote about the stock market drop for the TSX. Mkdw 02:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, you did nothing wrong. The problem is that Wikinews editors from every region should have reported on this. I feel that either there should be one story on the global drop or a multitude of stories about the regional drop in stocks. One report on the plunge, centered on Canada shows a failing of Wikinews not you.--SVTCobra 23:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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New South Pole Telescope to study dark energy

February 28, 2007

The new South Pole Telescope has recently collected its first light in a long-term project to learn about the nature of dark energy. It will use the cold and dry conditions in Antarctica to detect cosmic microwave background radiation, which is said to be the afterglow of the Big Bang. The study will help determine if dark energy affected the development of galaxy clusters. Most of the $19.2 million funding for the telescope came from the National Science Foundation.


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User talk:Towsonu2003/Arch2

Kurdish Linux launched in Turkey
Great new story. Can you find a freely licensed screenshot of the Kurdish version? I posted an English one, which is far from ideal. Are there any more sources for the story (sorry I cannot read Kurdish)? What day did the reception take place? --InfantGorilla 11:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks :) Unfortunately, I couldn't find any other news agency covering this (except one, where the text was the same as the one from ntvmsnbc)... so I do not know more than I reported here :) as per the screenshot, I posted to a Kurdish forum asking for help, maybe they can upload a screenshot. Towsonu2003 18:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Reminder: please source your images (Image:Ubuntu-ku.jpg). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the source was already in the discussion page if that image. Towsonu2003 04:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, In future could you maybe put the source in the main image page(or both), because in general I don't look at the talk pages of images

Unpublishing and Vandalism
To be fair, Towsonu2003, it's not vandalism to unpublish an article. While he should indeed state a reason, unpublishing an article should imply that more work may be needed to be done on it. ★ MESSED ROCKER ★  23:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are just so many ways to vandalize while hiding the motivation... so I'm a little paranoid when this happens (in any news story)... I truly value constructive criticism though, so I would really appreciate any comments about the "unpublish". Comments about actions makes it easy to fix problems, while unpublishing an article without providing any constructive comments usually ends up in a forgotten article. Towsonu2003 00:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to add comments to the talk page, but unpublishing that article was not vandalisim. Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test) 03:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

copyvio
First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases. Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources.

Thanks again! — Doldrums(talk) 09:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Pointless crusade. Marking back to development is the most common practice. Mistakes, irregularity in the article formatting, anything else all justify it as published articles are not supposed to be changed after a little while. Its function is not to censure but to be notice of errors in the article and allow time for refinement.
 * Thanks Doldrums for your comments. The above unsigned statement isn't mine. However I think it is constructive and helpful to indicate what's going on on the article's discussion page when you unpublish that article. (this is not directly relate to copyvio issue, but to the above statement's implication (that you unpublish an article and that's it) Towsonu2003 19:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkey is not New Zealand
I am just writing so you know that Turkey is not the island's of New Zealand referring to the image you made here:. --Nzgabriel | Talk 07:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * lol hahahaha... ok, now I have to figure out how to fix that ehuehehehe lol -thanks for letting me know, I didn't look at it that closely... Towsonu2003 09:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixing now, thanks again :) Towsonu2003 09:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And fixed :) Towsonu2003 09:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Just some advice
I've been observing that you have been making comments that would, well, get the people you're addressing your comments to upset and react negatively. I'm particularly referring to, as well as referring to changes in the headlines as "pov edits" and unpublishing articles as "vandalism." For your sake, I would like to see that you consider that the people make these edits in good faith -- the community will be more likely to accept you this way. ★ MESSED ROCKER ★  01:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * you're right, I've been a little too irritating. Sorry Towsonu2003 01:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry -- you've only been around four days, and you seem to recognize it, which is very good. I hope that you continue to work; Turkey has little coverage! ★ MESSED  ROCKER ★  01:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks for the constructive comments :) Although it's not an excuse, I'm experiencing the "I'm quitting smoking" stage of life... The Turkish news don't help ;) Towsonu2003 01:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton Comment
The picture is her official senate picture found on Wikimedia Commons. If you have a problem, find a better picture but I beleive that the picture found is satisfactory Momodamonkey 18:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Image replacement
Hi, I noticed that you changed my image located here: Image:Apple_iTunes_store_opening_Firefox.png to one using Firefox (and a different browser?). I just wanted to tell you that I do use Firefox but I have it cluttered with add ons and extra buttons that I thought using a clean IE would be better :) --Nzgabriel | Talk 00:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I use a cluttered Firefox myself :) I used the command firefox -safe-mode to launch it without the add-ons and stuff, turned off "bookmark toolbar" from view>toolbars>booksmark toolbar, and then took the screenshot. After that I just restarted firefox as I usually do. hope this helps :) Oh, by the way, just to make sure there is no misundrstanding, I uploaded a new image Image:Apple_iTunes_store_opening_Firefox.png (yours was Image:Apple_iTunes_store_opening.png -it still is there) and changed the image in the iTunes news item you've got -My image looks a bit weird because it's taken in Linux (instead of Windows) using a rather simplistic desktop theme :) Towsonu2003 00:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. --Nzgabriel | Talk 01:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, Technically you should crop out the browser your using. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's always nice to spread word on technologies that support the kind of society we would like to see around ;) Towsonu2003 06:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Flash is evil (as in annoys the crap out of me) so I can't see that (:. But firefox skin is still really really trademarked. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't like flash myself. But you've gotta see that thing if you didn't yet. I really like how it present the free society. Here's links to more formats including mp3 audio and ppt (yes I know, I don't like MS + I don't have it) files: link Towsonu2003 07:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll lok at it soon. (Can't right now, I'm just here on lynx for about ten seconds to see if I have any new messages). Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I deleted image:Verizon Logo.svg.png as it was an unused duplicate. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I tried deleting but couldn't find a way Towsonu2003 07:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

editing old articles
I noticed you added new content to the article, Kurdish operating system under investigation by Turkish attorney general, which is more than 24 hours old. Thanks for taking an active role in improving the content on this site. People like you who take an active role make Wikinews better for all of us — readers and writers alike.

One thing to note, though, is that Wikinews articles are not works in progress. Articles are considered historical documents reflecting the knowledge and understanding of the event at the time of publishing. Once published for more than a day or so, they should not be continually updated or modified, except to fix minor style issues (eg. spelling mistakes).

To report on new developments in ongoing story, you can create a new article instead of just adding content to an already published, out of date article. That way your work will be seen by more people since readers tend not to revisit old news articles looking for updates.

If a published article contains a factual error, please bring it to our attention at WN:ALERT, so that a Correction notice can be added to the article, which is otherwise left unchanged.

Again, thanks for helping improve this site.. — Doldrums(talk) 10:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

move vandal
no probs. is what we're here for :) — Doldrums(talk) 07:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

"vandalism"
Towsonu, u seem to have peculiar ideas about what vandalism is. pls check what templates are and what they're used for carefully before concluding that using them is inappropriate. and remember to Assume good faith. accusations of vandalism are serious and shld not be made lightly and without merit. — Doldrums(talk) 07:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * misunderstanding, will answer at your talk page Towsonu2003 07:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * taking a closer look, turns out u were right about the tl template being used for vandalism. the template has since then been fixed. incidentally, note that to fix a vandalised template, it is better to fix the template itself rather thn remove the template from pages where it is used. keep in mind that some templates are used in hundreds, if not thousands of pages. so apologies for doubting ur actions, i see they were well-meant. best,  — Doldrums(talk) 07:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * well, I didn't know the problem was the template lol I thought it was those two letters. Towsonu2003 07:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkish homeless man image
appears to be a copyvio. a photo published by another news source is typically copyrighted and we cannot use it on a fair-use basis either. see Image use policy. so i've commented out the image in the article. — Doldrums(talk) 06:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * sorry about that. thanks :) Towsonu2003 06:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Linking to Wikinews instead of Wikipedia
I linked to Category:Microsoft as I consider it an expansion of WN:SG. It's done frequently in articles around here, so I hope you restore it.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you already restored :) -thanks for the link though, I was unaware of that Towsonu2003 21:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Image
The Turkey logo moved to Commons.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes I think so, it explains that it's a copyrighted logo...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

For a job well done!

 * :-D thanks! Towsonu2003 22:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I am strongly condemning you
You started the page of "Turkish-Armenian journalist killed in Turkey" with this note: "Stupid Turkish fascists..."

Still we do not know that the killer is Turkish nor fascist.

In the page there are lots of unsupported arguments, which do not appear in the references, such as "fascist obsession", never-spelled slogan of "The assassins will pay" etc.

You are canalizing the readers that Turkish people and Republic of Turkey are killers and fascists. In Taksim, Istanbul, more than 10,000 people get together and protested the violence againist Hrant Dink, which i was one of the protesters.

I am strongly condemning you.

85.96.156.184 20:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the reference to the source for that quote inside the article now... As a Turkish person, I closely know what fascists thought about anyone who openly defended the position that the Armenian genocide occurred. As per your reference to "fascist obsession", it is meant to explain what Sera Dink tried to say with her quote of "is their blood purer now?". My aim there is very clear: the American reader is not familiar with fascist jargon... Towsonu2003 23:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Foreign Sources
Foreign Sources are 90% generally not considered "sources" on the English Wikinews unless someone, IMO preferably an admin. or a user who I trust, CAN read the source a.k.a. bilingual (sp). I am not against the use of foreign sources, but articles should not be published with one source let alone with one foreign source...If I cannot read the source's language, how do I know its the right source? DragonFire1024 20:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I already gave you (in your talk page) where to look for this issue. I don't care what languages you know. If you want news from non-english-speaking nations in here, you have to let people add them. Towsonu2003 23:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no need for an attitude. I am stating rules on an english wikinews. Caring is not the issue. If I or anyone else who does not speak a foreign language, then they are NOT usually considered a proper sources for the english wikinews. DragonFire1024 19:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Somehow you manage to reply to me without reading the link I provided (which is very brief) and without bringing anything new to the table. Instead of bolding all occurances of "english", please read the link I provided. I would like to see the link to the Wikinews rule that clearly states "Foreign Sources are 90% generally not considered "sources" on the English Wikinews unless someone, IMO preferably an admin. or a user who I trust, CAN read the source", after which I will happily stop writing for Wikinews for good. Thanks. Towsonu2003 04:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I give up. You make accusations like I am telling you NOT to edit Wikinews. You have yet to even listen to what I have to say. I read the link and that makes no difference to me. The point is that unless the source is in english, then its not considered a source on the English wikinews. Since all you intend to do is be hostile, I will not be bothering you anymore. When you violate rules, I will lwt someone else deal with it. DragonFire1024 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And what I am saying is, if that ("unless the source is in english, then its not considered a source on the English wikinews") is the case, I will cease writing for Wikinews because that is an absurd ethnocentrism that will deny me any possibility to write local news items not covered by English-speaking media... This issue won't be resolved between the two of us. I'll wait for other admins to chime in (please feel free to ask them to). Towsonu2003 00:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? My explanation is "ethnocentrism"? Lets put it this way. its like writing an english story and posting it on the Turkish Wikinews with only english sources. DragonFire1024 01:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. There is no Turkish wikinews 2. The reason I post Turkish (ie local) news here (a more or less global site) in english (a language that everybody understands) is to get a wider population to read them. Even if there were a Turkish wikinews site, its mission would inherently be different from this one... Towsonu2003 04:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Chill out. I'm sure you know that writers are a petulant bunch. No serious efforts, by en.Wikinews standards, to stop you from reporting have been forthcoming. Dragonfire has been pecking at uncertainties. Nothing wrong with that either. -Edbrown05 07:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The trouble is, it pokes at your credibilty. I've done stuff wrong without trying it, but I'm not of the impression you are misrepresenting anything. -Edbrown05 10:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Little bit of a heated discussion you guy's got going on there eh? There is no good answer to this problem. on one side

 * No one can verify non-english sources
 * you're not perfect, and could make a mistake
 * we can trust you, but where do we draw the line, if a new user randomly comes in, starts saying random stuff based on a source in some unknown language, it'd be right to WN:DR in my opinion
 * on the other hand

 * Part of our mission is to bring news to the world, when the world doesn't know about it
 * if its already in english, then its not exactly new to the english speaking world
 * The perfect solution would be having a machine translator (ala google translator). although they are not perfect, they're good enough to verify stuff. Bawolff ☺☻ 10:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

archiving
... done. — Doldrums(talk) 19:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks a lot Towsonu2003 19:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to suggest that you, user Towsonu2003, raise your profile a little, get admin status, and join in on the archiving fun. It shouldn't just be articles that are prone to vandalism that get archived, and having carried out the task for some time I can say it ain't fun.
 * On the other hand, if you just want to keep doing intermittent contributions and not be heavily involved in the site, feel free to tell me to get lost with the admin suggestion. Its up to you how much time you spend on the site and admin can draw a lot of time. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I replied to your talk page. Towsonu2003 20:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Photo
That protest photo is amazing. What sort of camera/lens did you use? -- Zanimum 15:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's not mine. It's from Hrant Dink Towsonu2003 18:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia images
Are not always okay here. We have different policies then they do (Specificly, If the image is fiar use and from a news organization or blog, it is not okay, and everything needs to have a url on it if its from an online source). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know :) I think you're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dinkfuneral2.jpg - It's public domain as specified in its page... Towsonu2003 01:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, And that one is okay, I just wanted to make sure you knew that as a general rule, that is not always the case. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * On a similiar note, Image:Masum.gif met speedy deletion criteria. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know / remember what that is. Towsonu2003 04:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It was an image from an online newspaper. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * looks like some cops, poking at some dead guy on a bench or something like that. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, that should be the pic for the pic for Turkish homeless man burns to death after being neglected -it was a breaking news item, than I just forgot about the pic... Towsonu2003 06:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well we're on the subject of images, just to confirm, you took Image:Linux sreenshot.jpg yourself? (and if so, what theme was it using (specioficly a free or not free one)? and are there any proprity programs runing)? Bawolff ☺☻ 00:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're strict, aren't you :) No, it came either from commons.wikimedi or wikipedia... don't remember... keep in mind that This is a screen shot. It is believed that screen shots may be exhibited on Wikimedia projects under the fair use provision of United States copyright law. Use of the screen shot here does not imply endorsement of the software by the Wikimedia Foundation, nor does it imply endorsement of the Wikimedia Foundation by the software authors.
 * thanks Towsonu2003 00:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * okay, its okay either way, I'm just thinking eventual it might be able to go to commons. (Don't worry, I'll run out of images soon, then the image monster will go away :) ). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * okay found it (w:Image:Linux sreenshot.jpg) . thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * wow good work :) I looked for it myself and couldn't find... Towsonu2003 00:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Local only news
Note the correct category for local news is category:Local only (ussually acompined with something like template:specialPublish). However I disagree with Discriminatory job ad by Central Bank of Turkey asks for men only being considered local only. I think, especially at this stage in wikinews development, that it is intreasting enough for a global audience. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to go about this. I added this "local" tag to it because of the discussions on having single non-english sources... so I used that local tag to show that that news item was not subject to the single source non-english issue... I don't want it to be seen as "local only, don't read it!". Rather I wanted to convey the message of "this is local, I can't find english source"... Here's the discussion I have been dealing with about foreign sources. Towsonu2003 09:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Related News template
So its easier for you here is the template for related news articles: * DragonFire1024 21:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ah, I was forgetting "title="... thanks:) Towsonu2003 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I hate typing in that template. Next time you should insert:

mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = { "imageFile": "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Btn_toolbar_enum.png", "speedTip": "Related news link", "tagOpen": "", "sampleText": ""};

}

in Special:MyPage/monobook.js. After, refresh using alt-r on your keyboard :) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  04:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like it's not working, but thanks. I'll take a look into the use of that page later, seems fun and nice :) Towsonu2003 04:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Should be working. Click on an article and you will see at the top were all the colerful bottons are that you have a new feature. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  04:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add:

if (mwCustomEditButtons) {

It should be working fine now :) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  05:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't work, but I copied your whole thing and now I have many very nice buttons :) Thanks a lot for the help Towsonu2003 06:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * by the way, in case you're curious, the reason why it improbably didn't work originally, was because their was a whole bunch of extra quotes (") mixed in. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

MS patent article
have replied on the talk page. — Doldrums(talk) 10:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Groklaw source covers this patent in far more detail, it is worth reading and you'll not see much mention of the advertising subsidised PCs that ISPs and Telcos will be able to offer with this. The analysis there is quotable, and would probably make a far better basis than slashdot.  I really don't like when that gets used as a source, its always second hand and you should go to the sources referenced in the slashdot article. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * dit, dit, dit, ditto... never get anything meaningful from being slashed, it's not a source. -Edbrown05 11:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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BBC denies "conspiracy" over 9/11 video

February 28, 2007

Yesterday, Richard Porter, an editor from BBC News, wrote a blog entry to respond to a controversy that has erupted overnight in the blogosphere. "We're not part of a conspiracy," he assures his readers. "We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening."

At the heart of the controversy is a video that surfaced on Google Video and YouTube. It is a segment taken from the BBC's own archive of their news coverage of the events of September 11. In it, reporter Jane Standley reports the complete unexpected collapse of WTC 7. However, she presented this information half an hour before it actually happened. In fact, while she is reporting the demise of WTC 7, it is clearly visible right behind her. During the course of the broadcast, the studio loses the connection with her, and when she returns, the building is gone.

During the first part of the broadcast, she gives specific details about the building, how many floors it has, who owns & leases it, and the fact that nobody was inside at the time of the collapse. All of these facts that Ms. Standley presented were 100% accurate.

In Porter's 5-point response to the accusations, he insists that his organization was the victim of chaos, not conspiracy. Unfortunately, Porter says, none of the reporters involved remember exactly what happened, and they have lost all of the original archive tapes, making it impossible to check. Porter explains that "like everybody else that day she was trying to make sense of what she was seeing; what she was being told; and what was being told to her by colleagues in London who were monitoring feeds and wires services."

He concludes that, at worst, they simply made an error — an error that happened to be prophetic. He signs off by quoting a flippant comment from YouTube: "so the guy in the studio didn't quite know what was going on? Woah, that totally proves conspiracy... ".

Directly beneath Porter's blog are two-dozen comments from BBC News readers. The comments are less than appreciative.

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Talk:BBC denies "conspiracy" over 9/11 video

I will continue to work on this article throughout the day, as (or if) the story develops. It seems significant enough that Google Video/Youtube found it necessary to censor this video, even going so far as to lock out people's accounts who attempted to upload it, however as of this morning they seem to be allowing it again. I understand the neutrality is disputed; any suggestions on how to make it more neutral? Maidix 11:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC) maidix
 * The title speaks about unanswered questions, I'd simple stick to the conspiracy, you can use the "rename" button to change the title. Also I'd provide a link to the mentioned websites (under external links).--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Interesting story... — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  23:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Alternative explanations
It might be a good idea to balance out this article with some alternative explanations for the BBC footage. Here's one I came up with off the top of my head:
 * 1) In the confusion, "WTC7" gets substituted for the name of some building that actually collapsed.
 * 2) BBC research team gathers detailed data about WTC7, sends to reporter.
 * 3) Reporter, not familiar with which building is which, fails to notice the still-standing WTC7 and reports what she is handed.
 * 4) Hilarity ensues. (Well, not hilarity.)

was the background a re-run?
I remember seeing over and over again the airplane flying into the first and second tower, and the same bit of video information was shown by all channels, not only BBC. So, was the background shown in the interview actually live, or was it a re-run? I would guess it was a re-run, which would explain the seeming discrepancy between the text and the images.

- Josef D.

 * It's live. They would've remembered that.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

things to mention
1.did the cia leak this in order to create a storm of 9/11 truthers outrage and outspokenness, only to strengthen the image of conspiracy theorists as irrational and fanatical (www.breakfornews.com) 2. there are now around 500 comments on the bbc website about the footage.

3. the video came out just weeks after bbcs hitjob on the conspiracy theories. (preceding unsigned comment by 84.70.216.254 00:34, 25 March 2007)

 * Stories should change when they've been published after a long time. If you're interested in covering this, you should start a new article.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:'Jesus Camp' shuts down

This sentence needs to be changed: "It also shows children praying before a photograph of President Bush." It is a subtle misrepresentation of what the children were doing. They were praying for President Bush, not to him as the phrasing of the sentence suggests. 67.135.49.29 15:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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US study finds that delinquent students claim to begin sex lives earlier

February 28, 2007

An extensive study of adolescents conducted in U.S. revealed that claiming an early beginning of sex life is statistically correlated to delinquent behavior later. An examination of more than 7,000 teenagers revealed that those who had their first sexual experience earlier than their peers showed a 20 percent increase in delinquent conduct a year after.

Stacy Armour, a research student from Ohio State University, who took part in the study found a correlation between teens beginning their sex life later than their peers and their subsequent rate of delinquency. The research showed that adolescents who were late to begin sex life as compared to the average age of teens in their school, were 50 percent more unlikely to act delinquently.

The average age when adolescents begin their sex life would be between 11.25 and 17.5 years, according to the research that is found in Journal of Youth and Adolescence. The information concerning the average age of teenagers who just had their first intercourse was revealed for each of the schools that took part in the study. Every respondent had his data compared with the data of other peers within one school.

The overall data of the study revealed that a 58 percent increase in delinquent behavior was pronounced among those teenagers who stopped claiming to be virgins between first and second study. The research itself doesn't suggest that sex is interrelated with delinquency but it raises the problem that those teenagers who are more impatient to start sexual life are likely to show asocial behavior later.


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NHL: Brodeur shuts out the Penguins

February 28, 2007

Marc-Andre Fleury responded to Penguins coach Michel Therrien's criticism Tuesday night by holding the New Jersey Devils to one goal. Unfortunately for Fleury, Martin Brodeur was one goal better. Brodeur was spectacular in net once again, earning his NHL leading 12th shutout of the season. The Devils only goal of the night was scored by Jamie Langenbrunner on the Power Play, 3:00 into the second period, assisted by Scott Gomez and Patrick Elias.

Three Stars of the Game

 * #1 - Martin Brodeur, G, NJ - 31 Saves on 31 shots
 * #2 - Jamie Langenbrunner, RW, NJ - Power Play Goal
 * #3 - Marc-Andre Fleury, G, PIT - 24 Saves on 25 shots

title: NHL: Brodeur shuts out the Penguins