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Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals/archives/2009/October

OneBotToRuleThemAll
We've got a kludged system here. We've got one DPL that powers the main page, we've got another series of daily DPL's that power an offsite script which then generates an RSS feed which then feeds feedburner which is then read by Enwn.net to publish updates to Social networks. We don't have very fine control over DPL, so we've got a running problem with page blanking and DEFAULTSORT screwing things up... so on and so forth. While I think what we've got is fairly impressive, MediaWiki was not meant to do any of it. The more we try to implement, the more issues we're going to have.

My proposal is this: I (hopefully with help) will write a bot to live on the toolserver (hopefully) that will replace all of the above mentioned steps. It will scan for newly published stories on a regular basis (say once a minute). Should it find something, it will add the article to a "Latest News" template (Which will replace the DPL on the main page), optionally rotating leads, regenerate an RSS feed and do any social networking updates we want. It would also make additional plugins down the line much easier. And since we'll have the code/control of the bot, we can have it add/remove published stories on OUR terms (IE it can ignore page blanking, but we could still put in a method to "retract" published stories). I've gone into more details here.

The long of the short of it, this will be a much more challenging project than some of my previous (And will incorporate enwn.net into it, I hope). I'd like to know that the community wants something like this before I write the code. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 00:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The issues that happened to the RSS should no longer happen (some changes to latest news were made), but the system is still very convoluted. Having the bot updated latest news would be AWESOME. also it'd be cool if the rss could have the first paragraph of an article in the summary, rather than just the title. I think this would be a Good Thing™ Bawolff ☺☻ 01:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If it can be done, let's do it!    Tris   07:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure a bug was filed for a problem with DPL where unapproved edits could screw with the effect of 'addfirstcategory'. That's going to fix one major aspect of the issues we've got. The inadequacy of the current RSS feed is made most apparent on Facebook - you get the title twice, whereas manually posting it with the links in social bookmarks gives an optional picture, and the first paragraph. I'd say that the picture cannot be chosen by a machine where there is more than one. I would argue that what we need is a more comprehensive MediaWiki plugin where you can install modules to shove out an RSS feed, or updates to Facebook. The toolserver simply isn't reliable enough for what we want to do, and I would much rather have it all on the main servers where the WMF techies would keep it running. With the good fundraiser last time round there is development money available for something like this - if we can specify what we need, how it helps the WMF mission, and (the one some might not like) how it could possibly also be used for Wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite honestly it doesn't appear the devs are interested in fixing issues with addfirstcategory. 16287 (which is related but slightly different issue) was opened sept 9th, last year, and no comments have been made on it. (On the upside, the rss feed will no longer be affected by that issue, as it now uses the date in date instead of the category timestamp). Having the summary field of the rss feed be an actual summary field would be awesome (for more reasons than just facebook). Bawolff ☺☻ 13:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Tempodivalse [talk]  14:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Something needs done, and this looks like it would be the best thing. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:24, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With improvements to the rss feed, this is no longer needed quite as much as it was before. The facebook page now is updated in a nice manner, the rss feed has summaries (Thanks to CSpurrier for both of thoose). The rss feed will no longer be way to long, nor will it have articles popping to the top of the publish list anymore (At most, the date we be changed by 24 hours on the feed list. And with changes to flagged revs, even that should not happen anymore [soon]). A bot updated list of last published would still be cool. (however with changes to DPL that should go live soon [or i should say with flagged revs and cat:pub] - even that is not as neccesary as it once was). Bawolff ☺☻ 10:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Main page redesign - input needed!
There's been lots of discussion on redesigning the main page in past months, but nothing was ever implemented because there was no consensus on what to change and how. I'm going to try and reboot the discussion, try to get ideas for what would make for a good main page layout - and try to actually get something done.

A few things I don't like about the main page in its current form are:

 * 1) It looks a bit untidy, for instance the recent news DPL column looks bad and there is a large whitespace below NIP (at least at my screen resolution)
 * 2) It is unfocussed, there seems to be too much going on at one time
 * 3) Not enough leads - we usually produce more than four articles a day

The appearance of the main page is very important for us, being a news site, since it's usually the first page readers will go to and we need to make a good first impression. I've tried to address the problems that I listed above, and came up with User:Tempodivalse/mainpage as a possible solution. Is this a feasible layout? Open to thoughts. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  19:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with this comment by . Cirt (talk) 19:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, the lead size could indeed be an issue on lower resolution monitors. I've altered the lead layout slightly to something closer to SGN's variant, is this version any better? Tempodivalse [talk]  19:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The main page design is a perennial issue, if you look you will find dozens and dozens of abandoned redesign attempts. In most cases, one or two good ideas from each design will be incorporated into the main page, so it evolves instead of having a radical ground-up redesign. I would far, far, prefer that people adopt this approach and accept they will not get the entirety of their vision adopted.
 * On the points you have raised, 1. I do not see significant whitespace at the size I keep my browser window. I never use fullscreen windows, which might account for this. 2. I really need a better explanation of what you think is unfocussed. The focus is the project's mission, presenting current news. 3. More leads? Good grief no! We should not have lead after lead just so every story gets it's five minutes of fame. Contributions are noticably down on two or three years ago, and we've varied from two leads to four during that time. Four seems a good balance to feature work that is of widespread/global interest, allow rotation before things become stale, and not feature 'trivia' just to keep the main page updated.
 * I would also argue that it is not as important as you make out. A very significant portion of the site's traffic comes in direct to articles - either via Google news (when we get the damn thing fixed) or via Twitter and Facebook. I believe that 'syndication', if you can call things like posting via twitter or facebook such, is where we can win. People subscribing to feeds from these services will become repeat readers, and potential contributors. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This attempt has a major problem for me, the three column presentation of recent news does not work in what I consider an acceptable manner. I see story headlines split across columns. I.e. the title starts at the bottom of one column and continues at the top of the next. That's completely unprofessional. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * First off, we did re-design the main page to some extent. The main fall out of the conversation's were that people wanted an almost all lead main page.  The reason this wasn't implemented is because it was a PITA to change the leads.  Now that's changed, so I'm having Bawolff turn on 2 more leads.   Second off, the biggest problem with designs is them working at screen sizes like 1024x768 (Anything less isn't worth designing for).   Third off, one of the biggest points of contention is how much to have on the main page.  Personally I think we should drop unnecessary stuff and make the main page "cleaner" but many believe we need to keep more on there.  The best we can do is come to a compromise on this.  NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, is going to be 100% happy with a main page redesign.  This I can say with certainty after the last round of talks (much of which were on my talk page).  Everyone is going to have to accept compromises, and this alone I think is the reason we're never going to have true consensus.  But that's the way the cookie crumbles.
 * Right now I've got my demo page half way done in terms of re-structuring the main page. You can find it User:ShakataGaNai/Main_Page.   My personal goal is to clean up the main page overall.  Put in the items that people find absolutely essential and remove that which isn't necessary.  On top of that I'm trying to rip out all the crap legacy CSS which is screwing shit up left, right and center...  We're never gonna end up with a 100% "overhaul" of the page, because so far no one has proposed anything totally radically different that enough people actually like.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 19:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I have some more comments to make, but can't be bothered tonight. For me, the best news site front page is by far the BBC's-news.bbc.co.uk-& I'm sure they know what they are doing(most of the time!) If we can use as many similar aspects as that, without copying it, I think we will be in with a winner.   Tris   21:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could be done. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 21:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) I agree. The BBC does it great. What I think we need most is:
 * Bolder colours
 * One main lead that is given greater prominence than the others
 * The most recent/most popular article(s) from each of the main categories, in addition to the "master list" we have now
 * Just ideas (probably cruddy ones). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 21:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, Terrible idea dendodge, never speak of it again (^_^). How about this Tris/Den:  User:ShakataGaNai/Main Page 2  Just the top half, not styled or anything fancy, but layout-ish.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 22:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a lot better layout-wise. When we get round to styling it, I would suggest a bold blue banner across the top for the "Welcome to Wikinews"-type text, but we shouldn't be discussing that until we've got the layout sorted, so I'll shut up now. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 22:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, since I had nothing better to do, I created a banner we could use as a header background:
 * [[Image:Wikinews banner.png]]
 * It would go on the right hand side of the table cell, and the rest of the cell would have to have a background with hex values 1, 1, and 95. I can make it taller if you like, but I used the proportions of the BBC header as a starting point. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 22:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually had the idea to do something like this, but not quite as ... dark. Can you make something similar but just the "big half" logo thing?  Maybe light like 25% transparency?  Something that could be layed right under what we've got right now? -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 22:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you mean something like:
 * [[File:Wikinews banner 2.png]]
 * 25% was far too light—it was barely visible—so this one uses 75%. If it's too dark, it won't be much work to change it. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 22:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * <- Freaking Mediawiki security wont let you use background-image: url unless it is in the MediaWiki: namespace.  Anyways, I applied that image to the background Den User:ShakataGaNai/Main page header.  Probably needs to be much lighter.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I uploaded a 25% version over that file. I won't be able to make any more edits until tomorrow, because I'm going to sleep now. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 00:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In play. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Also. I've "finished" the BBC-ish look main page: User:ShakataGaNai/Main Page 2. I dropped the following elements from the current main page: NIP, Market Data, Ticker, "Around Wikinews". Everything else is in tact. I haven't done much in the way of styles. For example I want to change how the leads look a little (get rid of some elements like the "Full Story" button). I also haven't "Fixed" the popular/interview/OR group to match this horizontal layout, they look kinda funny but mostly work. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 00:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I like that, it looks much tidier and focussed now that stuff like NIP, stock market etc. have been removed. A few suggestions: you might want to put the ticker and the "create an article!" box back, as i find both quite useful, and possibly put a frame around the whole thing. Otherwise, this looks like the way to go. Tempodivalse [talk]  00:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll die before I let the ticker back ^_^. IMHO it's one of those silly amusements.  At one point it served it's purpose, but between the leads, the DPL w/ all the news and the ticker... that'll be the same headlines displayed 3 times.  As for the "Create an article", it's in with "About Wikinews".  I'm pondering on better ways to put that, or label it, or something... as of right now, we've got links to getting started/newsroom 3 times on the main page, not including the navbar.  Obviously it isn't that great, otherwise we'd have tons of newbies.... I dunno, there has to be something better, I'm just not sure what... -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, i didn't see that the article creation box was in the dropdown menu. Perhaps should leave that box open by default, in that case, as it seems to encourage readers to contribute articles. You have a point with the ticker though, maybe it is a bit overkill (although i still think it looks nice). Tempodivalse [talk]  00:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We'll make a gadget that will place the ticker back on the main page for you, hows that sound? -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 00:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, there's no need to go through all that trouble just for me, i can live without it. [[image:smile.png]] I don't really care all that much either way. Tempodivalse [talk]  01:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, look what happens overnight! I really like it; I quite liked the ticker, but can see why it is not so needed any more.  Overall, really like it compared to others; great work Shak!     Tris   07:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I was never particularly fond of the ticker, if we had around 20 stories a day and only did news published in the last 24 hours I think there woould be more point to it.
 * I agree with some of the above comments, the BBC News website is perhaps the best designed news site on the web. If I recall correctly, it won some award for that several years in a row and only stopped winning it because they stopped giving that particular award.
 * Shaka's design 2 is pretty good although the use of small text to give the detail list of stories may get some complaints from readers - I can't remember where it was I'd used small text, but there were criticisms of it from the peanut gallery. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I like SGN's BBC-style idea a lot, i think it's the best main page proposal i've seen so far. What about this version? Basically i stole SGN's design, but made a couple of tweaks. Tempodivalse [talk]  14:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Tempo's newest design is the best so far (of course, it would be even better if it used my background image! =P). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 14:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All I can see different is the opening of one of the boxes at the bottom? I do prefer it like that, but have I missed something?     Tris   15:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you missed anything. It's the only difference I could see, apart from the fact that it lacks my fancy background. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 15:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are other differences too if you look carefully - I added a light-grey border around the page, and made the dpl text slightly larger - SGN's version doesn't have that. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Since everyone else was getting in on the action, I made my own here. It's mainly for your amusement (you can laugh at how I've managed to mess up the previously great layout so badly). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 16:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * OK, I prefer one with the box open, but apart from that, am not too bothered about whether there is a border or not etc. I'm afraid Den that I prefer the other two; not sure about the colour on the right.  So, I guess we can change it soon-anyone any major objections?     Tris   16:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry Dendodge but i'm not sure i like the coloured dpl box too much. Also, there's no word-wrap on the ticker, so when it displays a long headline, it creates a second line, thereby pushing everything down a space - not optimal, imho. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Note - I've added a link to this proposal in the site-notice. – Juliancolton  | Talk 16:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * My take away from this: Yes, we like the design. Yes, we like the basic layout.  We've got to figure out how to properly include "Start an article". We're also want to make a few minor adjustments.  Ok - all this is fine.  So what I'm going to do this is:  A) I'm going to make a copy of every template involved in the main page and finish the tweaks needed to make everything look "shiny".  B) I'm going to move _ALL_ the CSS to a separate page - this will make it really easy for everyone to make a copy and futz with the CSS.
 * We don't have to have the CSS exactly how we want it, but lets see if we can get the layout to be what we want. We can make the layout LIVE, and fiddle with the CSS down the road (Provided it is easy to update, which is my goal).  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 17:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Related considerations
As part of redesigning the main page I would like to suggest that the leads, while being maintained in their individual templates, are then pulled into another template, say Main page leads which is included in the main page.

My reasoning is the automation of peer review and lead updating. I think it is very important that someone reviewing an article and considering placing it in a lead position can quickly view the existing leads and see which is most appropriate to replace with the story just reviewed. Having a template displayed with the leads prior to picking one to replace would force people to look at and think about this.

A consideration in this would be having some way to identify the date on a story in place on a lead. I don't think displaying the date as part of the lead would be particularly good, but if some element could have a tooltip that displays the date this would be really useful.

A secondary consideration is rearranging the leads when you wish to add a new one. It will often not be appropriate to update lead 1 with a less-significant story, but you might want to move one of the other stories up to lead 1 and make space for your new story elsewhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I think what you are saying is "Keep the leads with their template in a template in a template" system, which I agree with. I'd say suggest to bawolff the ability to easily downgrade a lead with WN:ML. I'm currently trying to overhaul how the lead templates work, to ... simplify them.  While the current model is great, they are so complicated that no one wants to touch them.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 17:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Status So Far / Help Needed

 * Ok, here's the current deal: I've spent a good deal of time over the last few days working on the new main page design.  I'm sure you've all seen me _flooding_ RC with changes, sorry about that.  Anyways, I'm basically finished at this point in time.  Everyone seems to like the layout, great.  Now it is just a question about styling it up.  I have moved _all_ of the CSS off into classes so the entire main page can be easily re-styled without ever having to touch the layout.  On top of that, I've moved _everything_ into its own individual templates (15 total).   These two changes will make it much, much easier to maintain & modify.  I've gone so far as to toss out the old New lead article and replace it with Lead 2.0, which is also much less complex.
 * So, what can you do to help? I've got a few tasks for the community:
 * First, make sure the text of the "below the fold" 6 templates ("Most Popular Articles" through "In Development") are exactly what we want them to be. Please do edit in my userspace.  In fact on User:ShakataGaNai/Main_Page you will see ' ± ' hidden about the page, these are the edit buttons for each individual template so you don't have to figure it out on your own.  These edit buttons will be CSS hidden later.
 * Style the damn thing! This is super easy.
 * Take a look at MediaWiki:Common.css/User:ShakataGaNai/Main Page - you'll see _every_ class used on the main page declared here (even if they are blank).
 * Goto your personal CSS page (EX. Mine is User:ShakataGaNai/vector.css or /monobook.css).  Add the CSS you want here (example)
 * Hard refresh (Ctrl+F5) the new main page design, you should see your changes apply. Since you're CSS loads last, it will override the rest.
 * If you've got something you like/you think works/etc - let me know. I can incorporate it into the "master file" (AKA Common.css, which I'm abusing)
 * Test the page on other browsers/OS's. I've got Firefox & IE8.  The page works fine on both from sized 1024x768 and up, but if you find something that doesn't work with a specific browser, we'll see if it can be fixed.
 * Come back with any other feedback you have. Not everyone is going to be totally excited by the change, not everyone is going to like everything.  Everyone is going to have to make some compromises.  BUT since the new page is totally CSS class'd, it will be very easy for _you_ to turn elements of the main page on/off/recolor/etc in your own sheets.
 * Thank you to everyone so far on the input. I think this is our best redesign yet. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 17:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I love the progress so far, and can't honestly say that I have anything to add, other than my congratulations. The extreme customisability is also useful (perhaps we should have options in user prefs to choose from a selection of good main page styles). Anyway, I love it! The sooner we roll this out, the better. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 18:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, we could gadget it up. I know a few people have requested the ticker be put back.  Right now we have an opt out for the Ticker, we could turn it around and make it an opt-in.  We could also make some standard configs into Gadgets.  I'm not exactly sure how CSS via Gadget would work, but I'm sure we could get Bawolff to make it work ^_^ (poor Javascript guru).  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 18:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, it's done in exactly the same way as JS, but with .css at the end rather than .js (e.g. MediaWiki:Gadget-mainpage-purple.css could turn everything on the main page purple). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 18:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah - we already use CSS for the comment separation gadget (MediaWiki:Gadget-talkSeperate.css). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 18:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Er, that gadget/css page has one of Bawolff's habitual spelling errors in the title. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * :P (/me needs to fix the spell checker on firefox...) Bawolff ☺☻ 20:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have more of a check of it later, but at first glance on IE 7 it looks very good. I can check on Chrome tomorrow as well.  More later. Great work Shakataganai!  Really impressive.     Tris   18:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice job, SGN, i think this is the best main page design that we've ever had. I think this should be rolled out soon and made live if nobody objects. Tempodivalse [talk]  18:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not nice in Google Chrome on Windows 7. The header text (Welcome to Wikinews) is too close to the border of the container it is within - the "Welcome to Wikinews" and text below is not separated enough (i.e. one needs to be bold, not the other). Also, some constructive feedback - I think teh header is too plain - the centre section need something, even if it is something simple like links to our RSS / Twitter / Facebook accounts and feeds or a world / local clock. Otherwise, it's nice! I've uploaded a screenshot of what I can see as being the problem here: --  Sken   my talk 18:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That might just be your absurdly wide screen. I'd probably get horizontal scrolling on the resolution this computer's on (some idiot set it up funny so the only one that has the right proportions is one that contains a 600). You can't please all of the people all of the time. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 19:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Meh, I'll fix the lot of ya. I can go back to the library tomorrow and check it out on IE5. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 19:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I think this a is great layout and suggest rolling it out soon if nobody raises objections. A few issues:
 * Consider making the DPL text a bit bigger, small resolutions might have difficulty reading them.
 * I'd strongly suggest removing the "Developing stories" section. While it's a nice addition in the sense that it encourages users to contribute to other people's articles, I think there's too much room for abuse - a vandal could create something like WIKINEWS SUCKS!!!, slap develop on it and have it appear on the main page - not optimal. Maybe it could be replaced with the "Around Wikinews" thing.
 * A link to the article in the headline, not just the picture, might be a good idea, as not everyone will guess to click the image to go to the story. -- Tempodivalse [talk]  19:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am very happy to see developing stories return to the front page. I believe it is really important to expose that aspect of the site despite the risks of abusive titles appearing in this list. The pages cannot be indexed by Google News, and anyone actually complaining about an abusive title is offering an opportunity to tell them this is a wiki and they can contribute. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with Brian. At first, I thought, oh dear, that looks bad.  Then I thought-one main criticism of Wikinews and the reason why we might not get so many contributors in is that it doesn't look as much like a work in progress.  When someone visits a page on Wikipedia there is a risk they might come across some spam or an article that is totally untrue-however, this is what encourages them to edit.  I agree, we will need to keep more of an eye on the develop section to ensure that WIKINEWS SUCKS doesn't appear there, but poorly worded articles or biased articles can; and hopefully people will edit them.     Tris   19:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict]On the subject of having developing on main page - I think its an excellent idea to have it on the main page (Draw people into wikinews, and all that), but any article with numbers in them will be picked up by google news. If I recall, the original reason that they were removed was that google news will pick them up. (maybe beg devs to add a nofollow flag to DPL or something...) Bawolff ☺☻ 20:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Possibly have a more link in the more news section to the archives (an anon complained about the last re-design not having one i think). Bawolff ☺☻ 20:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I added one (I hope SGN doesn't mind). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 20:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * However, I don't think the original report or breaking news piccies/templates are in the best place.    Tris   19:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

(<—) Could we try them above the headlines, rather than at the bottom? Following is a rough ASCII mockup of the layout. |———————| BREAKING NEWS |      | Headline | Image | Text text text text text text |      | text text text. |———————| Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 20:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Responses as follows:
 * @Skenmy - Padded a bit from the top, adjust the font sizes up and down so they are more different. The bottom isn't in bold though. As for the center space, they really is none (Scale down to 1024 and see).
 * @Dendge, Done.
 * RE Developing on the main page. Too many people seem to want it.
 * @Bawolff - I think you might be right about the google news issue. I've added __NOINDEX__ to Develop but I think we do need a "no-follow" option in DPL.
 * @Brian - You can test in IE5 all you want, still not gonna work ^_^
 * Woot. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * What does anyone else think of the blue title text in the leads? While it is the conventional colour for hyperlinks, I think it looks really very ugly indeed. I would prefer it in black, as it is on the current main page, but I understand that it may pose usability issues. Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 21:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. They were black, then Tempo had to go point out that I forgot to make them links.  Oy, blame tempo.  Obviously it isn't my forgetful fault. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 21:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody has commented here for a couple of days. I'm presuming that means either nobody has any problems with the design, or that they've forgotten about this discussion. So, bumping to the top of people's watchlists to ensure it's the former rather than the latter. (If it is the former, it probably means it's about time to implement this). Den dodge  T\C (en.wp) 08:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as the titles aren't red, should be fine. Ideally if blue, an extra indication they are hyperlinks by changing colour on mouseover. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * @Dendoge - It is going to be done (As per my note in "Around enWikinews". I'm simply waiting for Bawolff to show up on IRC to harass him about changing WN:ML to the new leads system.  You should see it show up this week.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 05:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Todo for switch

 * Move all new templates to Template: name space -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Update all edit links -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Overwrite Main page header with User:ShakataGaNai/Main page header -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Overwrite all leads. ex: Lead article 1 with User:ShakataGaNai/Lead article 1 -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Migrate CSS from MediaWiki:Common.css/User:ShakataGaNai/Main Page to MediaWiki:Common.css/Main Page
 * Poke Bawolff about updating WN:ML -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 05:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually GET Bawolff to update WN:ML -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Set CSS .editor { display:none; } -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Protect all templates -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 06:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Protect Commons:File:Wikinews banner 2.png -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 06:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

All done? We'll see. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Wow. I was shocked when i logged in today and noticed how the main page changed. This is excellent, glad we finally rolled it out. :-) Tempodivalse [talk]  23:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You _just_, _just_ caught it then. Rolled out the changed to the Main Page at 23:00, 9 October 2009 - or less than 20 minutes ago.  Bawolff and I are hashing things out in IRC as we speak, tweaking and fixing minor bits as we go.  He's updating WN:ML to the new system.  So that's gonna be broken for a few more -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 23:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Main Page - The Fallout
I like to make topics sound like move headlines, makes them more "Epic". Anyways, the change is in! Since it is heavy on the CSS never used, and due to how MediaWiki/WMF/etc does caching... people might get a funny looking page the first time they visit afterwards (if they are regulars). MediaWiki:Sitenotice and MediaWiki:Anonnotice were updated with a warning. Mean time Bawolff has gotten 'Make Lead' updated to work properly (yay!!). There might be a few kinks to work out, but I think everyone will be happier in the end. Two important pieces: And I'd like to take this moment to thank everyone who was involved with getting this new main page off the ground. We've had a lot of contributions (big and small) from all over the crew, and it was really awesome to see us get something big like this done and in place. Now we can enjoy the fruits of our labor (For at least a week or two, until someone decides the design sucks again and wants to change it ^_^). Enjoy!! -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) If you want to turn the editor link on for the dozens of individual templates, it's easy!  Just add the following to your personal CSS (EX: User:ShakataGaNai/vector.css )
 * 2) Main devel got swaped out with Main around.  I know everyone was looking forward to having developing back on the main page, but until Bug #20936 gets finished, we can't.  The developing news would get indexed by Google News, and that would be bad.
 * 1) Main devel got swaped out with Main around.  I know everyone was looking forward to having developing back on the main page, but until Bug #20936 gets finished, we can't.  The developing news would get indexed by Google News, and that would be bad.
 * Looks great. Thanks to all the people that worked on this. Calebrw (talk) 23:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Two more important notes: So enjoy... once again. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 00:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Please, for my sanity, don't add CSS to the Main Page or any of it's templates.  Use MediaWiki:Common.css/Main Page.
 * 2) I've turned Flagged Revisions back "on" for the Main Page.  Though _all_ the templates except for the leads are full protected.   Previously, with the way things were setup, an autoconfirmed user could vandalize the lead templates, and it would show on the main page.  Rare, I know, but I figured this was safer.
 * I like a lot. Does the flagged revs point above mean that if an autoconfirmed user vandalises a lead it would never be displayed on the main page unless an editor sighted it?
 * Oh, and for those not following recent changes or on IRC, see Copy us for my little contribution. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * RE FlaggedRev. Yes. The only way for someone to vandalize our main page now, is to become an editor, or for an editor to sight their edits.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 06:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

To be honest with you, at the moment, I'm not entirely keen on the new main page so far. But I'm certain that as soon as it's finished, it will look excellent. Keep up the good work! --Rayboy8 (talk) 07:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I just added a patch for Bug #20936. Hopefully it will be adopted and we can soon return developing news to the main page. --Cspurrier (talk) 03:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm working on some javascript that will dynamically resize the whitespace for people with low res. Its in user:Bawolff/vector.js at the moment. let me know if people are interested. Bawolff ☺☻ 14:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Vector Vote - Now with 50% more drama
I don't think I need to explain what Vector is, most everyone uses it. We voted previously, the results were fairly positive, though somewhat mixed. Mostly people were concerned about it being "too beta" and too many changes being made to it. Well it is stable now, and everyone likes it. If you go to Special:PrefStats/skin you will see that 93% of all people who've turned on Vector, have left it on. Of the 7% who turned it off, most did so within the first few hours. So, once again, we shall vote to make Vector the default skin for enWikinews. (Reminder: If you don't like it, you can change you personal preference, this mostly effects what newbies see).

 * as resident vector whore. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 01:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Bawolff ☺☻ 01:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * per my reasons in the previous vote. Tempodivalse [talk]  01:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * — I voted neutral before due to concerns over stability. Those concerns are no longer valid (or at least no-more-so than with the monobook skin), so my vote has been changed to support. Gopher65talk 01:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * this. Anyone who opposes can expect a reaction like this, or this. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Vector is very nice looking and seems stable--Cspurrier (talk) 03:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I like this format. I think it's cool and high-tech. --Rayboy8 (talk) 07:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think making it the default making is a good idea though I myself use it! Srin  ivas  07:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * abstain vote for your lives! voting for every damn thing is moronic. "Poll:Coffe or tea this morning? Vote Now!" -  Amgine | t 15:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Alas, in this case, we have to; the devs simply will not do this for us without a visible majority of the community in favour of it. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So, let me guess, a discussion in which all opposition is convinced of a single option (known as a compromise) would not be understandable for the devs? Funny, that hasn't been the case on Wikinews in the past. -  Amgine | t 13:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * to both Vector and tea tomorrow morning. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * milk and sugar in mine please :) --Mark Talk to me 18:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * SaucepanFudgeCrackleCookies.jpg --->  Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 21:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Computerjoe 's talk 20:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * , ok. – Juliancolton  | Talk 21:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks great --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * —I don't use it, but probably would if it were tuned on as I much prefer its appearance. Den dodge  T\C 23:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * - Of course.    Tris   16:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Do it. Mahanga (talk) 20:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Make it happen. Shoone (talk) 21:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't have fixed Shaka's summary, I'm building a vast body of evidence that he's skimming 1% off the top every opportunity he gets. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 00:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A) Shoone has a blanket license to edit my comments. B) I already fessed up to skimming off the top.  It's the payment you provide me to continue to be a benevolent 'cratator. No money, and we start to see how deep this ban hammer hole goes.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * . Looks much, much prettier—and more pretty = more usable. AGK (talk) 10:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * if it will make you shut up about bloody Vector ^_^ -- Sken   my talk 11:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As Brian put it "Just keep voting until they vote the way you want". ^_^   For the record, I was not the one the instigated this vote, other people were talking about it on IRC and forced me into it.  Sniffle, Wikibullies. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 15:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It worked for the Irish. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely, let's do it. -- IlyaHaykinson (talk) 19:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good colors, nice visual appeal Elcidia (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * . I'm using the skin, and it looks good. Seems suitable for a wiki-based news site. ConCompS (talk) 02:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * no problem. Pmlineditor  Talk 11:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm completely new to News and recognise i am in the minority on this. So long as i can still have my Mono i'll be fine with any default. It's easy to change from the default. delirious  & lost  ☯ TALK 00:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Closed as Successful. The community wants vector. A bug will be filled. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 02:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured topics
We currently have a featured articles process, for individual superduperamazinglyspifilicious articles, but what we lack is something similar to Wikipedia:Featured topics. We often have a particular story where we repeatedly cover various developments over a length of times. Usually none of the articles are FA quality but overall they add up to very high-quality coverage. To be clear, I'm talking developments on a particular story, so to blow my own trumpet with the first example that springs to mind "Garuda Indonesia Flight 200" would be suitable since the crash was one story which developed over time but "Scientology" wouldn't; there are many separate stories intertwined to make up that topic.

Thoughts? We obviously need a better word than 'topic' but I'm out on that one. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't we call it Good topics, to indicate that not all the articles in the group may be WN:FA, but the group as a whole is very good quality. Cirt (talk) 21:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Instead of the word "topics", I would suggest "series". Cirt (talk) 21:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea, although I agree with Cirt that "series" might be a more appropriate word than "topics". Tempodivalse [talk]  22:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At first i thought this was a stupid idea (As it stands no one really cares about FA, why should we make more featured processes). but now that I read the comments, this does sound like a good idea. (other examples that come to mind of series of articles would perhaps be the Chili Finger Incident and some of the australian stuff). Bawolff ☺☻ 15:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (<—) Sounds like a great idea. I can think of plenty of series we could create (with a sidebar for each). It would be more useful than the current sidebars we use (if you're interested in one event, you won't want to read about that whole country, but you might be interested in reading other articles in the series to see what has led up to this event). Den dodge  T\C 18:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I created an example of what a series infobox based on my most recent article might look like at User:Dendodge/Series infobox mockup. I ahve transcluded it here, to see what you think. As it is, it is virtually identical to normal topic infoboxes, and I would rather differentiate between series and broader topics, but I'm not sure how (Edit: I made it use colours with a reddish hue instead of bluish ones for now). In order for my template to work properly, two things would be needed: A category with the same name as the series, and a page for the series (I suggest a new "Series" namespace, but a portal would work too). In its most basic form, this could just be a limitless DPL, but it could be expanded to include all sorts of relevant content. Den dodge  T\C 19:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think this should go on the main article page space, but rather the talk page space, similar to what is displayed at w:Talk:Confessions (Usher album). Cirt (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree—when reading about news, people will want to read the events that preceded the one about which they are reading. This infobox, while spawned from the Wikipedia "topic" model—would be, essentially, an aid to interested readers. The amount of casual readers who check the talk page is a small fraction of the number who read the article, and of the number who would be interested in reading more. Den dodge  T\C 20:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 * First, where's this "Series:" namespace idea coming from? I see zero use for that. A regular portal should be just fine - if you really want to see "Series:" it could be made a synonym for "Portal:".
 * Second, I don't see a reason not to have additional categories to make filling infoboxes like your example - but it might be a very good idea to have them hidden. For your example it could probably be done with 2 regular categories - one for the 'thug' in question, plus one for the bosnian-serb conflict. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am of the opinion that the portal namespace was a mistake, lets not repeat it. (A caegory should work fine). I like the yellow infobox. We should make these infoboxes use css hopefully... Bawolff ☺☻ 16:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: Brian's first point:
 * I agree with you, despite it being my idea. I was suffering from a lack of sleep at the time, and didn't think it through. Den dodge  T\C 20:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I think "Good series" sounds good. – Juliancolton  | Talk 21:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Okay so it seems we will go with "Good series". However I still must disagree on having these templates in main article space - it is not the purpose of main article space to do that - that would be the purpose of an infobox, not a template trumpeting the quality of an article. The FA star is quite enough for that. Cirt (talk) 21:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The template is a parallel proposal for series in general, with no inherent reflection on the quality of an article or series. Featured series can be denoted on the talk page of their relevant portals, and/or with a small star somewhere in the template (I would prefer the former only, but the latter has its merits). Den dodge  T\C 21:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The subsection header of this thread is Featured topics. This is a thread about that topic. We already have a process for templates of "series" on article main space, this is called infobox templates. Cirt (talk) 21:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I think, for the focus you're putting here, this isn't something we're qualified to judge. That's a historian's job. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


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 * October 26, 2009 Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić boycotts genocide trial
 * July 22, 2008 Alleged war criminal Radovan Karadžić caught in Serbia
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User talk:Lenesolo

Hello, !

This is Wikinews, a free news source. Wikinews is an experiment in citizen journalism, not an encyclopedia. You may be confusing us with our sister project Wikipedia. Your encyclopedic addition to Wikinews was deleted. Please add it to Wikipedia if it is relevant there. We would be happy to welcome you as a contributor to Wikinews! Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 19:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, please don't continue to add encyclopedic material/biographies to Wikinews. Please see Introduction to learn how to contribute constructively to this project. Thanks for your understanding. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews talk:2005/March/31

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The Zimbabwe flag image needs to point to File:Flag of Zimbabwe.svg. Zscout370 (talk) 22:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Personak

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England rail users highlight Teesside Airport 'ghost station'

October 31, 2009

Twenty six people took an organised outing by rail this weekend to a little used station in North East England, in an effort to highlight its poor rail service. The trip was organised by Alex Nelson, the stationmaster of the nearby independent Chester-le-Street railway station. He wanted to raise the profile of the little used Teesside Airport railway station, which serves Durham Tees Valley Airport (known as Teesside Airport until 2006).

The station, which is on the Tees Valley Line and served by Northern Rail, is one of the least used stations in the country, and is in the bottom five of national rankings of passenger visits. Figures for 2007–8 year showed that only 52 people used the station in that period, which only has one timetabled train calling in each direction, on Saturdays only. In the current timetable, a train calls at the airport station from the Darlington direction at 10.28am, while later a second train calls in the opposite direction, leaving at 1.41pm.

By organising a group of people to travel on this service at the weekend, Mr Nelson hoped to raise the officially recorded passenger numbers for the station, and to highlight the poor rail service to the region's airport. He also hoped to persuade rail authorities to move the station, which is little more than a halt, 500 metres closer to the airport terminal. The present station is, according to Mr Nelson, "a good 15-minute walk from the airport terminal" building.

Nelson said:

"'They haven’t closed the station because it is incredibly difficult to do so – you have to go through all manner of consultations and government acts, instead they run the minimal service which is no use to anybody. We say that if a station is going to be there it may as well be of some use to the public'"

Mr Nelson was originally hoping for 50 people to take the trip, organised as an outing from Chester-le-Street station to the airport station and back, changing en-route at Darlington railway station.


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User talk:Alainr345

Hi (talk to me), / Bonjour, / Hola,  AlainR345                                       TechnoWikiGeek

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User talk:24.217.104.88

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Date set for Bradfield, Higgins by-elections: Australian Electoral Commission

October 29, 2009 Voters in the Australian electorates (seats) of Bradfield and Higgins will vote for a new representative on December 5. The seats were vacated by the retirements of Brendan Nelson and Peter Costello.

"All Australian citizens aged 18 years and over living in the ... electorate[s] are eligible to vote in this by-election, as long as they are correctly enrolled to vote when the electoral roll closes. If you’re not on the electoral roll, you must fill in an enrolment form immediately and return it to the AEC by 8pm, 30 October 2009. If you’re already on the roll but recently moved and need to update your enrolment, you have until 8pm, 9 November 2009 to get your completed enrolment form to the AEC,” AEC Divisional Returning Officers, Yvonne Harrison (for Bradfield) and Mark Strong (for Higgins) said.

Despite electorates in New South Wales, such as Bradfield (on Sydney's upper North Shore), the by-election will be contested using the boundaries as per the 2007 nationwide election.

The noted that all electors enrolled to vote must do so at the by-election, "including electors aged over 70 years." Voters in Higgins, a Victorian electorate, do not have to vote at local or state government elections.


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User talk:Saebjorn

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Cirt (talk) 04:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

If you need help, feel free to ask
Getting started on Wikinews can be a bit daunting, but fear not, there's a person or two around here that'll help you get started. You can goto the Water Cooler and ask on one of the lists there, or you can stop by IRC and talk to us (live). Lastly the place to go for developing news is the Newsroom. Good luck! -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 18:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:India's ruling Congress party leads in three key state polls

india's ruling congress
we came to a conclusion after the result came for the three states.congress now regain the power in Maharashtra. In future congress is the only party to farm govt in the central,why i tell this first the leade Ragul and the secularisim which is the major policy of congress. thank you n.s.prabusing


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User:House1630

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since 15.01.2013
 * English version since 27.10.2009
 * German version since 11.10.2009

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Comments:Indian Human Resources minister to reform technology sector

IIT entrance reg
the HRD minister said +2 marks are above 80 to 85 percentage for IIT admission. how it is possible,the developing country like india 50% students from rural area,apart from that,student try to do his level best.but our govt will raise the percentage for admission gradually.we should view the problem from students side.HRD minister recall the decision. thank you n.s.prabu

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User talk:House1630

Welcome
Brian McNeil / talk 12:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous users
We don't invite anons to open an account quite as curtly as that; see Howdy-anon, and don't subst it. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't give a damn if you're intimately related to those IP addresses or not. Don't use that message. It's borderline rude to someone who prefers not to open an account. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I apologised to those IPs. House, our unregistered users are a valued part of our community and the system here is spefically designed to allow them to edit unrestricted. Please stop giving them a hard time. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

RE:stale articles
See, actually Wikinews doesn't publish articles older than 2-3 days. You article was created on 26 october and its sources are of 23 and today it is 29. You have been given a lot of time to find sources, edit it, etc. Now it has to be deleted. Srin ivas  10:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Germans don't want to build any more nuclear power plants
A significant problem turned up during review, but with prompt action it may be possible to improve the article in time to review and publish before it becomes stale. See the article talk page. --Pi zero (talk) 21:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

The problem with Portals on Wikinews
Hi,

I see Pi zero has rolled back your edits to Portal:Germany. Two reasons: We don't edit articles into portals, everything runs off Dynamic Page Lists (DPL) which should only list published articles in places like portals; second, until we've a "robust" output for a topic, region or country, portals are something that was imported from Wikipedia at the inception of Wikinews without understanding the problems of keeping them current.

Talking hypothetically, if we'd a dozen people working on Portal:Germany to contribute and review a at least a dozen articles per week, the portal would be well-worth having. Somewhere-or-other I've put together a swathe of templates that would make it look like a Germany-specific version of the main page too, which is just like you'd get on a mainstream news site (where they can afford to have those dozen contributors).

I also know Pi zero is finishing up a review on the article in question, and the problem is non-English sources. I'm struggling to find a nice way to put it, but if I say: "The vast majority of US and UK citizens are monolingual", and: "The subtleties of a foreign-language news report cannot be pulled out with machine translations to a quality that permits confident reviewing" I would hope you'll get the thrust of the problem. We probably need an essay on non-English sources and reviewing, and some good examples of contributors helping clarify what parts of an article draw from non-English sources, and explaining the most-appropriate synonyms where a machine translation would let the reviewer down. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 * A joke I heard once, here in the US, ran like this:
 * Q: What do you call someone who speaks many languages?
 * A: A polyglot.
 * Q: What do you call someone who speaks only one language?
 * A: An American.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It's a really good joke - but the Main article in the Portal:Germany is more than TWO years old! --House1630 (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a problem we're painfully aware of; and, it's why most portals are redirects to the category. As I said above, there's a "critical mass" thang for portals being useful.
 * We don't want to discourage you, just to set expectations appropriately and clue you in on what some detractors call the "un-wiki approach" of independent peer review. de.wikinews has as-yet not adopted it, or we'd be able to take the machine translation from there and work on verifying there were no mistranslations in using it as a source. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

And the Main article in the Portal:France is more than THREE years old ! --House1630 (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There has been nothing newsworthy in France for three years; they still eat cheese and drink wine. :P
 * I've redirected it to the category, that at least uses a DPL to list most-recent articles. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Bremer Freimarkt, oldest fair in Germany, reaches its climax
This is a difficult article, presenting a number of challenges, and we don't seem to have been communicating very successfully on what the difficulties are. I really am trying to be supportive, but I'm struggling with how to do that, as I'm not really sure what, if anything, I should be saying that I haven't been saying. Worse, I have no idea whether the article can be saved, which makes me worry that the help I'm struggling to provide is only going to create more disappointment if the article doesn't work out.

At any rate, my latest review comments are here. --Pi zero (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm hoping to take a shot at this this morning (it's 10am local where I am). Obviously there can be no promises, on a volunteer project, but I'm really hoping.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm starting to look at it.

 * The first thing I've noticed is, looking at your remarks on the talk page section #Original reporting, you say that some of the background information is the result of your own research. If you mean, by this, that some of the background information in the article is not from the cited sources, then your original reporting notes need to explain just which background information that is, and just where you did get it from.  This is part of what original reporting notes are for:  Every fact in the article needs to be verified and documented; if it doesn't come from one of the cited synthesis sources, then the original reporting notes need to do the verifying and documenting.  --Pi zero (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Published.

 * Please see the review comments. I tried to be detailed in my comments, hoping to help things go more smoothly in future.  --Pi zero (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Qatar announces to produce solar cells next year
Thanks for your help with the article and re-submitting it for review. I added several lede style questions on its talk page; if you're familiar with the sources already, addressing them might be trivial and may help toward the success of the next review. --Gryllida 12:51, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Famous house in old city of Bremen sold at public auction
Hi. In present form, the article is not-ready for publication. The short-short version: we need detailed reporter's notes. I've gone into much greater detail on that, and mentioned a couple of other problems to be addressed, in the review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I tried to review the article, but immediately hit a snag because of the synthesis sources. Please see the review comments.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Brussels update
NYT is paywalled... or at least it is for readers in the US. We'd need a free-to-read source. --Pi zero (talk) 17:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:Markajohnson

Welcome
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User talk:Vencel~enwikinews

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Hello,

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User talk:Crewel~enwikinews

Welcome
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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Crewel. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Crewel~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:Marysiak88

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User talk:Suraj sharma~enwikinews

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User:Howie-test

NOTE! This account created by Brian McNeil for someone working on the enwp implementation of Flagged Revisions.

This requires granting the account Editor privilege, and enabling our various magic gadgets to ease reviewing.

A variety of pages, such as Sandbox-Howie may be edited, including actually performing a test review of such. All such pages must have the category No publish on them to avoid appearing on the main page.

Any sighted edits to 'normal' articles may be immediately undone.

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User talk:Howie-test

Welcome
Brian McNeil / talk 13:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Miscellaneous notes

 * See our snazzy tabbed Howdy template above - I made this! You can even start an article from within it. (See cautionary note below.)
 * I mentioned DPL in the email I sent you, see Template:Main headlines for what this looks like (view the source). The "stablepages=only" parameter is what makes sure the listed articles on the front page have all been sighted by someone with the editor privilege. Note the explicit exclusion of items in category no publish; when you're playing with FlaggedRevs always make sure this is present on the page in question.
 * Requesting editor status is done here, the project page on editor status is here. (aside, exceptions to this policy have been made for some noticeably non-native English speakers. This is, generally, where they're trusted with administrator access and can grant themselves editor status. The agreement is they'll then restrict use of editor status to within the non-main namespaces where Flagged Revisions is in effect - avoid reviewing bad grammar or misspelling and publishing it; it might be nice if they can easily make an edit that is not automatically sighted)
 * The "critical" reviewing template is here.
 * Enabled the following on user preferences under Gadgets:
 * Wiktionary Hover (unrelated to FR, but try double-clicking any word that isn't a link)
 * Hot Cat (again, unrelated, tool at bottom of an article to quickly add categories)
 * Easy Peer Review (This is the important one)
 * ENWN magic button (unrelated, adds a "Short URL" link to the toolbox - creates an enwn.net shortened URL for any page on a Wikimedia wiki) Alternatively, if your browser permits creating a javascript bookmark, paste in this code: "javascript:win=open('http://enwn.net/api.php?m=create&url='+escape(document.URL),%20'_new','width=300,height=100');history.go(0);" - yes, you can use this on Wikipedia. The email containing the password to this account includes an ENWN.net url for this page!
 * Point I forgot in my email: If you have editor status and create a page in a FR namespace, it is not automatically marked as sighted; if you edit an unsighted page, your edit does not automatically sight it. Only when the current revision is sighted, and you have the editor privilege, will your edits be automatically sighted. [And, from re-reading this, we could probably change that to automatically sighted on page creation in the non-main FR namespaces.]
 * A "beta" revision status maintenance tool can be seen here.

Having a play
Feel free to use the tab in the Howdy template above to experiment with creating articles but keep to the following rules:
 * Always start the page name with "Sandbox"
 * Always, as one of the first edits, add Category:No publish
 * When you're done with a test page, add the template delete. It will be listed on WN:AAA automatically (via DPL) and an administrator will get rid of it for you.

I've created an initial test page for you: Sandbox:Howie test 1.

You'll notice that Beta (Vector) is now the default skin for English Wikinews. Based on some of the gadgets I've enabled in your user preferences you will see two little arrows pointing down in the tabs at the top of this page. The first is for speedily adding a template to a user's talk page (so unrelated to Flagged Revisions). The second is default in Vector, but we've customised it ;-) In this second drop-down you will find a "Review" option when looking at a main namespace page. Click it to run the easy review gadget.

NOTE! If you pass a review on a page you will automatically be redirected to our main page lead-maintentance utility. Feel free to have a look, but don't click any buttons you even remotely suspect might update one of the lead templates. Use a link in the sidebar to navigate away from this.

The EZ-review gadget, on a successful review, adds a completed peer reviewed template to the article talk page, removes any review template from the article, adds the publish template in the right place on the page, and sights the reviewed revision. This puts the article in Category:Published (thus eligible for selection in a DPL of published articles) and includes our social bookmarks template to allow people to share stories on places like Twitter and Facebook.,

Scratchpad

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 * If the password and email attached to the account is changed, the account will be blocked permanently.
 * Leave comments and questions below on your experience with Wikinews' use of Flagged Revisions. (It might be better doing that with your 'regular' account). --Brian McNeil / talk 17:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Nine killed after bombings in southern Afghanistan

October 28, 2009 NATO has said that eight United States service members and an Afghan civilian working for the force were killed on Tuesday after bomb attacks in southern Afghanistan.

The international force added that several troops were also wounded. "Additionally, several service members were wounded in these incidents and were transported to a regional medical facility for treatment," it said.

NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said that seven of the killed troops and the Afghan civilian died in the country's southern regions. The eighth US soldier was killed in a separate bombing. The ISAF gave no details as to the exact locations of the incidents.

The deaths came just a day after eleven US troops and three US drug agents were killed in separate helicopter crashes in the country.

This brings the number of US troops killed in Afghanistan to 53 in October, making it the deadliest month in the year.


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User talk:209.147.0.254

Tempodivalse [talk]  16:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Please stop creating inappropriate pages; they have been deleted. To learn how to constructively contribute to this project, please see Introduction. Thank you. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Please stop creating pages that are not news items; this is considered somewhat disruptive, and if you do it again you could be blocked from editing. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:72.73.125.14

please create an account and/or log in to avoid future confusion with other anonymous users.--House1630 (talk) 16:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I wish to apologise on behalf of the entire project for the rudeness of the above user. While I would recommend you do register, there is no need to as you can still edit freely without doing so. That user above seems to have some kind of discrimination against our unregistered users, and myself and other administrators will be keeping an eye on him. I will leave you a copy of the standard welcome template below, as it's packed with useful links and advice. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Court in France convicts Scientology of organized fraud

October 28, 2009

Scientology was convicted of organized fraud in France, in a ruling issued on Tuesday by a court in Paris. According to French law the Scientology organization is regarded as a sect in the country, and not a religion. The organization is heavily monitored by the government of Germany, and has been prosecuted in multiple other countries as well.

The Scientology "Celebrity Centre" in France was fined 400,000 euros, and a Scientology bookstore received a fine of 200,000 euros. According to the verdict of the French court, the Scientology organization was found guilty of taking advantage of its followers, and of "commercial harassment" of potential new members.

Alain Rosenberg, the head of Scientology in the country, received a fine of 30,000 euros in addition to a suspended prison term of two-years. There were six total defendants. Three other officials within the Scientology organization received convictions of organized fraud, in addition to suspended prison terms ranging from 10 months to two years in duration. The remaining two defendants in the case received fines of 1,000 and 2,000 euros.

"This is an important and historic decision because it is the first time that Scientology has been found guilty of involvement in organized fraud," said Olivier Morice, a lawyer for the civil parties to the case.

Members of Scientology have been convicted of fraud in past in France, in Lyon in 1997 and Marseille in 1999. Scientology claims 45,000 adherents in France out of 12 million worldwide.

Prosecutors in the case had asked the French court to fine the Scientology organization 2 million euros, and also to order its operations to cease in the country. The court did not rule for the organization to be dissolved in France, explaining that Scientology would have likely continued its operations "outside any legal framework".

Unlike the United States, where Scientology is considered a religion and therefore has a tax-exempt status, there is no such recognition or status for the Church in France, where it is considered a sect. Furthermore, a recently passed French law forbids French courts of dissolving groups on the basis of fraud.

In response to the law, Georges Fenech, head of the Inter-ministerial Unit to Monitor and Fight Cults, speaking on the television channel France 24 said, "It is very regrettable that the law quietly changed before the trial. The system has now been put in place by parliament and it is certain that in the future, if new offences are committed, a ban could eventually be pronounced."

The legal representative of the Church of Scientology in France, Eric Roux, said the church will appeal the verdict citing intense media and political pressure during the trial. However, he also praised the verdict saying, "The court said that in France, Scientology should continue. And on that point they are very right. This is the fair part of the verdict. That would end any odd idea that the church should end in France. Scientology is recognized everywhere in the world and France must step up to international standards. That is good for the church."


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NASA completes successful test flight of new Ares IX rocket

October 29, 2009 NASA completed the first successful space flight of the new Ares I-X rocket yesterday. After delaying the launch 24 hours because of poor weather, Ares lifted off at 11:30 (EDT) in the morning from Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

The 327-foot tall Ares I-X test vehicle produced 2.6 million pounds of thrust to accelerate the rocket to nearly 3 g's and Mach 4.76 — just shy of hypersonic speed. It capped its easterly flight at a sub-orbital altitude of 150,000 feet after the separation of its first stage, a four-segment solid rocket booster. After reaching an altitude of about 40 km, the first stage separates from the launch vehicle. The second stage was very brief, reaching around 46,000 metres, before an uncontrolled descent. The Orion capsule model should splash down approximately 230 nautical miles from the launch site. The first stage booster from the test descended for recovery using a parachute braking system. "This is a huge step forward for NASA's exploration goals. Ares I-X provides NASA with an enormous amount of data that will be used to improve the design and safety of the next generation of American spaceflight vehicles — vehicles that could again take humans beyond low Earth orbit," said Doug Cooke, associate administrator for the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C..

The Ares I is a new rocket developed under the Constellation program, part of the Vision for Space Exploration announced in 2004 by then-president George W. Bush. Derived from a booster used on the current United States Space Shuttle, it should help to lift the Orion spacecraft carrying people and supplies for the International Space Station (ISS). The rocket with Orion is also planned to lift the crew to Altair lunar landing module, which will be lifted into orbit using the Ares V heavy-lift rocket.


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Tunisian president re-elected for fifth term

October 28, 2009 Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the president of Tunisia, was reelected for the fifth consecutive time on Monday, winning almost nine-tenths of the vote.

According to the Tunisian Interior Ministry, Ben Ali obtained 89.28% of the ballot. Opposition candidate Mohamed Bouchiha finished a distant second, with 5.01% of votes, and third place finisher Ahmed Inoubli received 3.8%. 4.7 million people out of 5.29 million registered voters cast their ballots in the elections, officials said, and turnout was 89.45%.

Ben Ali, aged 73, has been in office for 22 years after taking power in a bloodless coup in 1987. Under the current constitution, this is the last time that he can be reelected, as the age limit for presidential candidates is 75 years.

In separate parliamentary elections held simultaneously, Ben Ali's Constitutional Democratic Rally party took 161 of the 214 seats in the Chamber of Deputies.The remaining seats are to be split up proportionally among the opposing parties.

Some international human rights groups, however, have accused the president of repressing the opposition.

"What we witness is a cold, badly written, badly directed play that despises the intelligence of Tunisians and believes that these aspects can make legitimacy, or make a new political regime," said Rachid al-Ghannouchi, the leader of the banned Nahda party, told the Al Jazeera news agency.

Ben Ali, however, dismissed critics' accusations, saying shortly before polls opened that voting would be open and democratic. He accused the opposition of trying to spread lies.


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VERY LUCKY ESCAPEEEEEE

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McDonald's restaurant to close all locations in Iceland

October 29, 2009

McDonald's, the international chain, will cease all operations in Iceland by the end of October.

The company blames the closure of the nation's three outlets on drastically increased costs of importing its food ingredients, which mainly came from Germany. McDonald's corporation says the current economic slump is to blame for rising costs, along with the "unique operational complexity" of keeping them open.

The restaurant, with its distinctive, began its Icelandic operations in 1993. Its outlets were operated by Lyst, a franchising company owned by Jon Gardar Ogmundsson. There are no plans to reopen any of the locations.

"[Stores have] never been this busy before... but at the same time profits have never been lower. It just makes no sense. For a kilo[gram] of onion[s], imported from Germany, I'm paying the equivalent of a bottle of good whisky," said one Gardar Ogmundsson, the owner of the firm Lyst, to the.

Lyst hopes to operate a new chain of restaurants, which will be supplied by domestic rather than imported food products.

McDonald's, which operates in 119 countries globally, previously closed its sole retail outlet in Barbados in 1996 after only six months in operation, and withdrew from an additional seven countries in 2000 — including Bolivia — to reduce costs.


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User talk:Xiaoyubaobei1

Welcome
Tempodivalse [talk]  01:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Spam warning
Hello,

Your recent contributions are considered to be spam and have been reverted or deleted. Should you believe that your contributions are not spam, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further spamming may result in your editing privileges being removed. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Belinda Kanau

Welcome
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Comments:Court in France convicts Scientology of organized fraud

=How do you feel about the verdict?= Feels good man. HansTaub (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you feel about the verdict?
I think it was thoroughly justified, except the court should have banned scientology all together. It is a dangerous, obnoxious and terribly vindictive cult, that harrasses those who disagree with it. All countries should ban this horrible sect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanafen (talk • contribs) 17:59, 28 October 2009 (UTC) This "religion" was started b/c of some sci-fi novels. I think it's hilarious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.114.166 (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh... No. That's a horrible idea. We shouldn't ban ideologies. Groups don't do anything wrong; individual members do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.80.250 (talk) 03:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, groups can do something wrong. It's hard to believe so many unorganized individuals are running this con; they just happen to all be concentrated in Scientology's leadership, right? Moreover, you don't see the Roman Catholic Church trying to sue Anglicans or Christian denominations for preaching about the same God and Jesus fellows. What "ideology" is more concerned with trademark and copyright than reconciling differences among sects? The Church of Scientology as a corporation needs to be shut down; if any members want to continue believing in what they paid to 'learn' then that's their choice. The thing is, their members are dependent on the products of the "Church" and would have little to go on to found their own society or similar organization. --67.174.131.145 (talk) 07:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you feel about the verdict?
Scientology is obviously guilty of taking advantage of the gullibility of the followers that they mislead, but what makes Scientology worse than Christianity or Islam is that its leaders are obviously charlatans, whereas most Christian and Muslim religious leaders are genuinely religious and do only what they think is right. All Scientologist leaders are charlatans who have no motive but profit. It is difficult to put my finger around how even they can get tax exemption in the US, whereas in more sensible countries they are prosecuted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.40.231 (talk) 02:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Mixed Feelings
I'll be honest, I'm not big on Scientology. However, I am worried that it will set a precedent against other NRMs. Forget not that early Catholicism was itself a cult, and religions today still participate in the brain-washing of children. 'Tithing' comes to mind, regardless of what the money is used for. All in all, before one steps to judge another religious movement, one should consider where his own choice came from. --CyberStormAlpha (talk) 08:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you feel about the verdict?
It was about bloody time!--193.157.250.247 (talk) 18:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

How do you feel about the verdict?
Viva la France! I am so glad to see that some countries aren't so star struck and open to getting their palms greased that they allow this "religious" mafia and human right's abusers.


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Dozens killed after car bomb explodes in market in Peshawar, Pakistan

October 28, 2009 Pakistani officials have said that at least 100 people were killed and over 200 injured after a car bomb exploded in a marketplace in the city of Peshawar on Wednesday. The attack was the deadliest in the country in this year.

Initially, large fires were reported to be burning around the marketplace, which was crowded with people. The flames spread easily because there were many stores in the area selling flammable fabrics. Police said the blast was heard throughout most of the city, and the explosion reportedly left a hole in the ground up to ten feet wide.

The Associated Press reported that many of the victims are women.

"There was a huge blast. There was smoke and dust everywhere. I saw people dying and screaming on the road," said an eyewitness, Mohammad Siddique, to the Agence France-Presse news agency.

Several buildings collapsed as a result of the detonation, and rescue workers searched through the rubble looking for survivors beneath the debris.

Muzamil Hussain, a member of local medical staff, described his experiences to the Associated Press: "There were a lot of wounded people. We tried to help them but there were no ambulances so we took the victims on rickshaws and other vehicles. There were no police. The police and government didn't help us, the police even opened fire on us."

"Bodies are scattered and badly burned because of the fire caused by the explosion. The explosion took place in a very crowded market," Mohammed Naeem, a spokesman for a local ambulance service, said.

Some people expressed anger that the bombings managed to be carried out in broad daylight in a crowded area. "What kind of security alert is this? It was an explosives-packed car. Look at the mosque, it ceases to exist anymore. For God's sake, do something," said a local middle-aged shopkeeper, as quoted by the CNN news agency.

A state of emergency at the Lady Reading Hospital in Peshawar, where many of the wounded people were hospitalised, was called soon after the explosion. Hospital officials appealed to the public and to other medical centres for blood donations.

The bomb attack happened just hours after, the United States Secretary of State, flew to the nation to discuss peace with Pakistan's military commanders and political figures. Clinton will be in for three days.

Clinton condemned the attack. "These attacks on innocent people are cowardly. They are not courageous. If the people behind these attacks were so sure of their beliefs, let them join the political process," she said.

The bombing also comes just days after Pakistani military forces captured the town of Kotkai, the hometown of Taliban Chief, and one of his top officers, Qari Hussain.


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