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Victoria Wyndham on Another World and another life

December 13, 2007Victoria Wyndham was one of the most seasoned and accomplished actresses in daytime soap opera television. She played Rachel Cory, the maven of Another World's fictional town, Bay City, from 1972 to 1999 when the show went off the air. Wyndham talks about how she was seen as the anchor of a show, and the political infighting to keep it on the air as NBC wanted to wrest control of the long-running soap from Procter & Gamble. Wyndham fought to keep it on the air, but eventually succumbed to the inevitable. She discusses life on the soap opera, and the seven years she spent wandering "in the woods" of Los Angeles seeking direction, now divorced from a character who had come to define her professional career. Happy, healthy and with a family she is proud of, Wyndham has found life after the death of Another World in painting and animals. Below is David Shankbone's interview with the soap diva.

Career and motherhood
'''How are you doing?

 * Victoria Wyndham: I’m doing great.

'''You look great. You look amazing.

 * VW: Well, I’m having a nice life now. It’s amazing. I’m having a very nice life.

'''How’s the sculpture?

 * VW: Well, it’s great. I’m really concentrating on my painting now because for a while I was out in California. I was commuting between the two coasts.

'''Both of your sons have gone on to creative careers. Christian Camargo is an actor, and the other is a photographer?

 * VW: They are both very creative. Yes. My other son is a director, or hopes to be eventually. He’s got a baby. So he’s working as a photographer in the fashion world. But Christian said, “Mom, you’ve got to get  these biographies. You guys are crediting me with one of his credits. He was the one who starred in Skylight on Broadway.  I didn’t. I didn’t have a thing to do with that. So you have to get that better.” And that’s all in there.

'''When your sons decided that they wanted to pursue careers that were not so assured in income, like a lawyer or a doctor, but more something that is a creative enterprise like a photographer or an actor …
 * VW: My family has always, since the Seventeenth Century, been in show business. So the idea that any of my children would wind up being doctors or lawyers is pretty far-fetched. We were hoping…..[Laughs]

'''As any mother would…

 * VW: That they would not pick such a difficult row to hoe, but there was no way that wasn’t going to happen. I mean with two parents who were in show business and their mother in show business and their auntie … it was just inevitable.   I’m not disappointed. As long as they are doing what they love. That’s all I care about.

'''How has it been since you left ‘Another World?’

 * VW: Terrifically stimulating and very interesting. First of all, while I was on ‘Another World,’ I was working as an actress in the theater.  I did lots that I can’t even remember. I did Nefertiti and Rosa and Chakrelle  before I went into ‘Another World.’ I was working for six years. I managed rock and roll bands. Everybody gets that wrong too. They think that I was managing a band my children were in. No. I was managing totally unknown group of four boys, to me unrelated, and …

'''That’s after ‘Another World’?

 * VW: No, no. It was while I was working. If you work for thirty years in one place, you’ve got to do other things or you go nuts, you know. And so it was ….

'''Anywhere. It doesn’t matter what it is.

 * VW: Right, right. You’ve got to do something else to stretch yourself. On the show, I did my own artwork so that was one outlet that I had creatively because I played a sculptor on the show and did a lot of my own work. I have a permanent piece in the Smithsonian. I came across a picture of that today. It was interesting. It’s the only picture I have of the sculpture. It’s good,  So along with that, the boys were in their early teens and all of a sudden a driver of mine gave me a tape of his nephew, his band. I said I don’t do music. I’m an actor. I can’t help you.  He said, “Oh, no, no, no, you know people. Just listen to it.” So I listened to it. But in among all of the noise you could hear ….

'''Unrefined talent.

 * VW: Yes, very raw. But it was like they had something. And we got as far as opening for Living Color and the Chili Peppers.

'''Awesome. That’s big.

 * VW: Yeah. And we played at CBGB's a lot and we played at the Ritz and the Palladium and all of the gigs around here. It became a wonderful family project because the kids were the roadies for the band. I guess that’s why people get it wrong and I’ve read that so often: ‘Oh she managed her children’s band.’ No she didn’t. She managed A band.

'''They must get a kick out of that though.

 * VW: No, it infuriates them! They want their own independent life. But I was managing up to four bands and doing their videos and producing them.  It was very wearing.  I was finally sleep deprived.  I had to stop doing it because it meant I got three hours of sleep a night for six years. I was exhausted.

The politics behind the demise of Another World
'''When you’re known so well for one particular role--Rachel Cory in Another World--yet you are multi-dimensional, how do you handle the frustration that must breed inside yourself?

 * VW: I didn’t find it frustrating because I was always doing so many other things. On top of that, my big job was raising my children. I’m very proud of that and I was a very hands-on parent so that was my number one job. The soap was my way to finance that, since I was a single parent. Then the off-Broadway gigs came. I knew I wasn’t going to do a Broadway play or anything that demanded a long run because that would keep me away from my family too much. But when those would be offered to me, if I felt that they were good enough, I would do them. They were always limited runs. Then I had the sculpture. I had a one-woman show and The Smithsonian, which led to commissions.

'''But it doesn’t bother you to just be recognized for one role?

 * VW: It does when it means that now when I go online the only credit is Another World. That bothers me because all of the people that follow my career, the fan base, know that I do an awful lot more than that. So do the people who know me. While I was doing Rachel, I was never frustrated doing her. She was a fascinating character. I had a wonderful gig on that show and they let me do pretty much anything. I was able to explore all sorts of wacky things and playing the twin was really wacky.

'''You weren’t particularly happy with that story line though. At first you didn’t mind, but then after …

 * VW: Oh my God, you have done your research haven’t you? Yeah. It was fun at first and then what a lot of people don’t know is there was internecine warfare between NBC and Procter & Gamble at that point. So there was a lot of push and pull. I now know that NBC was doing an awful lot of sabotaging of the show and that particular character. They had, for many many years, tried to get me off the show, tried to separate me from the show.

'''Why?

 * VW: They wanted to take it off the air.

'''And you were one of the main draws on the show? So if they got rid of you ….

 * VW: And, of course, Procter & Gamble understood what they were trying to do and were supporting me. NBC never let me know that. This became clear, as it came to a head, before they finally yanked us.

'''Why did they not want the show anymore?

 * VW: Because they couldn’t own all of it. If Procter & Gamble had sold it to them, they undoubtedly would have gotten rid of me and made it a young, stupid show, the way they did with Passions, and it would have…….

'Flopped, like Passions'' did. They were throwing midgets out there--

 * VW: Right. They weren’t really smart. I don’t know where that mandate was coming from, but I guess they were insisting and insisting and at some point I had a distinct feeling that NBC didn’t want to have soaps anymore. Brandon Tartikoff was the last programmer and he was certainly not daytime programming, but he was the last bit honcho at NBC who was honest with me.  He was a huge fan of mine, which was just so adorable. He didn’t have time to watch the soaps, but he had said at one point when I ran into him and was introduced, “Oh my God, you’re the only reason we keep that show on the air.” I’m like ‘Wow. You are my favorite head of networks now!’

'''How do you not let that go to your head? How do you keep calm after something like that?

 * VW: Easy, because you know that he’s the only person in the whole network that feels that way.

'''It’s tenuous, like a tooth hanging by a thread.

 * VW: And he was dead shortly after that, so it didn’t help me very much. I don’t think it was anything personal. It was just business.

'''NBC wanted all the profits.

 * VW: Yeah, they didn’t want to share with Procter & Gamble. This was business and if Miss Wyndham wasn’t on the show, they could do what they wanted, and tank it or take it off the air or whatever. But Procter & Gamble wouldn’t let it go and believed in the show.  They knew that I was an integral part and so they kept it.

Wyndham's efforts to save Another World
'''Is that the soap opera model, that there needs to be certain character anchors--like a Susan Lucci--on the show that exist and then they can kind of shuffle up the newer characters?

 * VW: I think you’re accurate, but that’s not just a soap model. Look at West Wing. What would West Wing have been without the president?  Or those leads?

'''Although it’s a different idea because a soap is daily and you have people who watch it as if it’s a part of their lives opposed to a weekly drama. I mean, you were twenty-five years on ’Another World’ ….

 * VW: That is correct. But wait a second. You’ve just flipped the argument here. People often make that dubious distinction between the soap opera and how its architecture is different from any other show. Look at all the nighttime dramas. ’24.’ ’West Wing.’ Heroes.’ They’re all soap operas. It’s not soap operas and everything else. That’s the trouble with Hollywood. They think soap operas are creaky now. I tried for years and years and years with Procter & Gamble to bring them up to speed and make them less creaky. And Procter & Gamble was very behind that effort but NBC was scared to death it would be successful and didn’t want us to do it. So we were thwarted at every turn.

'''What was the updated version of soap operas that you envisioned?

 * VW: Well I pitched the last two years we were on. They often used me for story, long-term story, not just for my own character often but also for other characters.

'''They would turn to you for ideas?

 * VW: Yes, because I’m a writer also.

'''And you also knew history.

 * VW: Yes, but that was less important for them than the fact that I was a good storyteller.

'''I read that they didn’t care about the history and the traditions in Another World?

 * VW: They did not. They also knew that I knew the company, knew the actors we had. I knew what they could act with and what they couldn’t act with. So I could come up with story that would make them look good.

'''“She’ll never be able to play that off. He’ll be able to…..” That kind of stuff?

 * VW: It wasn’t that dishy. It was more like, “Look this gal can’t do this stuff you’ve been giving her. But if you give her a storyline like this, where she gets to just be beautiful, she can do that and it will be fabulous.” There were a number of times where I could help them. Other times when some of the male stars who were awfully good  … and this is going way back in the seventies and eighties … and we were worried about losing them to Hollywood.  And we did. Like Ray Liotta and Jerry Fitzpatrick.  They would come to me and say, ‘Can we give them a good story? What would keep them?’ I’d come up with a storyline that they’d pay me for; they’d give it to their writers and my name was never on it because I didn’t want that responsibility. I didn’t want to be put in that situation with my cast. I didn’t want to be lobbied. And that worked. They knew my storylines worked. When they didn’t work it was usually because they’d taken away the very elements that made them work in order to homogenize them. That was an ongoing battle. Towards the end, when we were fighting for the life of the show and trying to keep it on, because I felt a great deal of responsibility to try and help it stay on the air.  Those were jobs for almost three hundred people. That was like another family for me. Stage hands and property people.

'''Do you still keep in touch with a lot of the people from the show?

 * VW: Not too much. You never do.

'''Isn’t that odd?

 * VW: No, it isn’t odd. We’re not really a family. We’re a working family. As long as we were working together we had something in common. When you don’t work together, you don’t have anything more in common.

'''Do you find that that’s true in almost every friendship situation though?

 * VW: No, not every friendship situation.

'''That there’s a need for commonality …..?

 * VW: Well, if it’s a real friendship that will transcend the work situation, then you carry that one over.  There are people I have carried on with. Charles, Connie Ford was a good friend, Douglass was a good friend. Sandy Ferguson was a good friend. Matt. I hung out a lot with him out in California when I was out there for those years after the show folded. But you don’t carry that with everybody. People go their separate ways.  You run into them and you’re happy to see them, then you go your separate ways. It’s sort of the bittersweet, but wonderful thing, about show business. Nobody hangs on.

'''They all move on to the next thing.

 * VW: Yeah, happily. And then you’re always happy to see the person. Bump into them. You hang unto the people you have something in common with. Anyway, in those years I had come up with a storyline that I thought would really revolutionize the medium because the trouble is that’s it’s so creaky and it’s feeding on itself. There are boatloads of writers that come on these show, they write for your on it for a while and then they’re fired because they didn’t come up with enough good stuff.  The next thing you know they’re on some other show. They rotate on all the shows and pretty soon you have no new blood and the same old bad, boring, clichéd stories are going around and around. I felt our best attempt to stay on the air would be to come up with something really revolutionary.

'''What was that?

 * VW: It was an idea to break the fourth wall and to do away with the commercials.

'''What’s the fourth wall?

 * VW: The television screen. It was very carefully worked out. It was a whole storyline. It would take much more than an hour for me to tell you. It was very involved. My other big idea was to get people not to switch on the commercials, which they do … people can watch three soaps because there’s so many commercial breaks, you can just switch and you can keep switching …

'''Is that typical?

 * VW: Oh yeah. They try to synchronize the commercials so they can’t do that. They are still worried about people Tivoing or taping because they think they go right through the commercials. I said we’re the one company that can do this because we’re sponsored by Procter & Gamble. We can put all of the commercials, which were mostly Proctor’s, into the show. Product placement.   I had really cute ways of doing it so it that it was very comedic and sweet and fun. Then you’d never cut away to a commercial so you’d never lose your viewers.  You would have all of the other viewers from the other shows go, ’You don’t have any commercials. That’s a straight hour of programming. Great!’ It really excited everybody. They flew me out to California. They had me do a big meeting for NBC. Everybody was seeing dollar signs. But the bottom line was NBC wanted to own the whole show and Procter & Gamble would not give it up. So they said no. Now we’re starting to see more and more of that happening.

The future of soap operas
'''Where do you think soaps are going to go now?

 * VW: I have no idea. I haven’t even addressed it. I’m so uninterested.

'''Would you go back to one?

 * VW: Oh, it would have to be an extraordinary offer and an extraordinary situation. In other words, probably not. I wasn’t interested in soaps. I was doing it because it was a good job.

'''But twenty-five years on a soap. It’s so funny to hear you say you weren’t interested. I understand you had your children. It was a good gig, steady income. It kept you on the east coast.

 * VW: Kept me on the east coast. Kept me coming home at night. I was there at dinnertime every night while my kids were home. When they went off to college, then I had an apartment in the city and I didn’t have to do that kind of commuting. But when they were little and under my auspices, I was there all the time. So it was a great gig. Was it something I intended to do for the rest of my life? Not at all. But when I realized what the alternative was and I had two children to raise, it was a pretty good gig. Also, when you do work for one entity, you know you become competitive about it. They become your family.

'''If you’re going to do something, do it well.

 * VW: Yeah. I wanted it to be good. I wanted it to be better than everyone … I wanted us to break ground. Procter & Gamble was thrilled with that idea. They could see it. Whalen retired when they took it off. He could see. “Wow, my God. This would revolutionize. Everybody would chase us. These would be incredible!” He gave me the go-ahead. He set up all the meetings. But the soaps, I don’t think, want to be different. They just don’t want to be different. And that’s fine.

'''Why do they not want to change?

 * VW: Because it’s easier not to. It’s the whole American thing. If it’s easier to be mediocre, why not be mediocre. It’s the thing that’s going to kill us as a nation if we don’t get over that. We didn’t used to be like that.

'''Where else do you see that in the culture?

 * VW: I see it in a lot of the big businesses, in many of the corporations. That won’t last very long now that we’re in a global market. But I see it in television in general, but not in HBO.

'''Or Showtime.

 * VW: HBO was the one who went gloves-off, ’We’re going to do this and we’re going to do this really well.’

'''You saw that with The Sopranos and Six Feet Under.

 * VW: Yeah. I think they’re starting to get blasé and take it for granted, so consequently Showtime is pushing it more. But I wasn’t interested in pushing it to the sleaze factor and the violent and the four-letter word and all that. I think that isn’t the only way you can push the envelope. You can push the envelope with -- what a concept -- good storytelling. What a great idea.

'''Pay some writers.

 * VW: Well, they didn’t pay me very much.  But I knew what those actors could do and that they weren’t being challenged.  And the ones that couldn’t do very much could be used in a very different way; you could support them and help them look better. Nobody cares. Nobody cares.

'''How does someone become a soap actor? Is it something they fall into or is it something that is pursued?

 * VW: They pursue it because they can’t get work in any other medium. It’s changed a lot so I don’t know the answer for sure to that. In my day, which is back in the sixties, you wanted a soap, and this is still the case, because you can’t afford to do theater. It doesn’t pay. It’s never paid enough. And I think that’s still the reason. That’s certainly the reason why my own son finally, after swearing he would never go up for a soap--he hit a dry spell for a while--found he would like a soap. It keeps paying your rent while you’re trying to get the next big commercial or the next nighttime gig. The percentage of people who get to do a lead on a nighttime television show are small and the people who get to do movies are small. So if you want to be an actor, it’s a good place to start. The other wonderful thing is it’s a wonderful way to learn how to do camera work. Camera acting and theater acting are very different. They both share the need to be real in a pretend situation. That’s the definition of acting. Real emotions in a pretend situation. They both require that. But after that, they’re very different technically. The scale that you have to work on when you’re doing the theater piece and the amount of voice you need to use and the gestures ….

'''And the emotion that goes with live performance.

 * VW: Well all of that has to be scaled large. Television has to be scaled conversationally and it has to be very very small and very very cool. Marshall LaPlume was right about that. It’s a cool medium. And if you’re too intense on television, it just looks awful. It also looks awful if you have nothing on your mind except, ‘Oh my God, what’s my next line?’ A lot of the young people, that’s all you see.

'''Really? Is it more of a function of modernity or more of a function of youth that they‘re like that?

 * VW: No, it’s a hard medium. You don’t get much rehearsal. You’re thrown on right away and you don’t get a chance to practice much unless you take it on yourself to do an awful lot of practicing. And if it’s not your show, if you’re guesting, it’s really hard. That’s true about nighttime too. Or movies. If you do a film and you’re just in a few segments, you’ve got so much time in between that it’s very hard to maintain your character. That’s the one type of acting I’ve never wanted to do. Film.

Wyndham's career and making it as a creative
'''You’ve never wanted to do a film?

 * VW: No, I’m too impatient. I like working quick. I like live. That’s what I liked about soaps when I started. They were live.

'''Are you turning down projects now?

 * VW: Look, when you get to be over 50, you’re not offered very much if you’re a lady. So I’m not offered very much.  The things that I’m offered, as far as I’m concerned, are just not worth doing. I mean, why should I do those? I had a wonderful job. I worked for thirty-five years straight without ever a break. I was never unemployed. I did a certain amount of theater that I thought was worthwhile.

'''You’re not at that point anymore where you need to work.

 * VW: Thank God.

'''Every actor’s worry.

 * VW: It’s been a pretty active and exhausting life. I’ve done a lot. I’ve done a lot that people don’t know of. The writing alone. I mean at one point the show wanted me to take them over and be the head writer and I had turned in a 500-page long form story for them.

'''Why haven’t you gone more toward the writing.

 * VW: Well I’ve tried. I’ve tried. I have scripts up the wazoo! It’s not that easy to sell if you’re perceived as a soap actor. People brand you. They want to meet you. You have to pitch. I’m well known enough in Hollywood so that when I walk in, they know who I am.

'''Have you ever tried to use a pseudonym?

 * VW: No, but we did have this fantasy that my nephew would go in instead of me because he’s the youngest of the children in the family. The boys who are now the young men in our family have all read my stuff and they think it’s good.

'''Just for fun you should do it, just as an experiment. Change your name and send it. Be like, “Hi, I’m a young intrepid writer and I have this script.” Not just a soap opera actress.

 * VW: It’s just horrible. It’s just a real glass ceiling. And Hollywood will say, ’We don’t feel that way.’ But they do.

'''But the difference is what they say and what they do. Show business is known as such a vicious industry.

 * VW: It’s not vicious. They’re VERY nice. Everybody’s terribly nice--

'''To your face.

 * VW: Bingo.

'''But isn’t that even more disenchanting when someone is like, “You’re the best. You’re so great.” And the next thing you know is, “That person thinks you suck.” And your like, “We just had this great meeting. I thought that they loved me.”

 * VW: They were hilarious! They do that a lot! They say all the right things and you walk out not feeling defeated and feeling like, “Wow, good.  This wasn’t as bad as everybody told me it would be.” Then you never hear again. And you go, “Oh, still branded with as a ‘soap actor.’”

'''How do you persevere? Even when you were younger and not in the comfortable place you are now?

 * VW: No, I didn’t persevere. I didn’t go out to Hollywood. I knew that would be what it is. If I had done that, I would have had to go out when I was in my early twenties and that’s when I was having my children. I didn’t want to bring my children up in California. I think I made the right decision.

'''Aside from good acting, what was the secret to your longevity? It’s not just good acting that gets you staying around that long.

 * VW: Well, it was the fans, it was the fans. Oh my God. And also Harding Lemay, Pete Lemay, writing wonderfully for seven years; they just wrote so wonderfully for all of us that he created the myth that then I was able to dine out on, for the rest of my life on that show. Together we created this character that had enough substance and a track record for the show.  Even after he left and it went to ninety minutes for two years. It gave the show a certain track record and my character became the anchor person.  You have to have a certain amount of range and do different kinds of acting. You know you’ve got to … if you can get any comedy in anywhere, you’ve got to try for it. Many actors aren’t that flexible. I can be real nasty, really quick. That was good. So it didn’t matter that she became a good character. She still had all those edges. She could be sarcastic. She could be bitchy. She could be manipulating in good ways and bad. And she could be awfully funny. She also had this artistic side.  Then I had these wonderful fans who loved the show and it’s really amazing, really quite a phenomena, because those fans outwardly they looked like pretty simple folk, typical ladies, but they are amazingly bright. And so appreciative when they know you’re giving them everything you’ve got. Audiences are like that.  Hollywood, whoever Hollywood is, keeps forgetting audiences aren’t stupid and the people that I believe are the most successful in Hollywood -- not the gazillionaires -- but the people who are steadily successful, just do good work.  Like Aaron Sorkin, whose play I’m going to go see tonight …

'''Or Norman Mailer …

 * VW: Right. Those guys never write down. They lift an audience up to their level They make you think. They make you stick with them. I mean Sorkin has so many levels to his writing, he’s just a pleasure to watch. Even that wonderful series that was on HBO last season on about NBC. Did you see that series? It was about Saturday Night Live. It was Sorkin’s show. It was about Saturday Night Live, but it wasn’t done by the Saturday Night Live gal. It was really super and I don’t know why they yanked it, but it was a terrific cast. The guy from West Wing and Harry from Sex and the City. It was a fantastic series. And it was so bright. He’d just finished West Wing and then he uncorked this other one which was delightful, funny and hip and real inside.

Television's lust for youth
'''Are you putting yourself out there for roles?

 * VW: I did for seven years that I was out in L.A. You can’t put yourself out there for roles in L.A.. They call you. That’s the way they want to do it. So you’d have to strip and dance nude down Sunset Boulevard to put yourself out there. I don’t know how you do that.

'''Do you think that that model where you have 23-year-olds playing 18-year-olds and you have 23-year-olds playing 30-year-olds is getting old? Don’t you think people are getting sick of seeing just …

 * VW: Young people?

'''Yeah. Don’t you think it’s at the point where it’s becoming a farce? Is that really what people want?

 * VW: That’s where the Internet has become so fascinating to me. Because to me, the smart audience has gone, ‘You know what? You don’t speak to us anymore. So we’re not watching you. We’re going to go online.’

'''I understand the WB and UPN Networks that 16-year-olds want to watch people who look like they’re 16.

 * VW: But the rest of us don’t.

'''That’s only a small portion of the populace.

 * VW: The rest of us would rather have Netflix or …

'''Some realistic depictions of life or interesting stories that are well written, but not all played by people who are 22.

 * VW: I know. I don’t know when that’s going to change. I know there’s something about film and television, especially now that television is going to high def, that wants to look at no lines. No lines on the face. A good face. That’s real. I mean, even the artist in me… It’s a very unusual lady actor who can make you forget what she looks like. I’m not talking about men. Men look great as they age. They get better and better. But there’s something about it and I don’t know whether it’s our chauvinistic society today or whether we’re still all under that chauvinistic umbrella of seeing the world through a young man’s gaze.

'''Could people transcend that? I was watching The Sopranos last night and Lauren Bacall was on it and I was transfixed watching her. Is it more because it’s Lauren Bacall or is it more so just cause it’s just interesting? Remember like the mother on that show ….

 * VW: But that’s film. That’s film on television. Those are the scripts. That’s writing.

'''So it’s laziness that’s giving us all of this all of this, “Oh just throw on a smooth skin and thus we don’t have to worry about the writing as much. We don’t have to worry about whether the story is engaging.”

 * VW: I think so. But, interestingly enough, I’m an optimist, I’m afraid. I see little tiny change that might be happening because with HBO’s success …

'''Which Showtime repeated.

 * VW: And now Showtime is trying to do the same thing.  But all of a sudden you’ve got a show that is very confusing to me. Heroes is very confusing to me. They’re at least attempting something. Now yes, they‘ve got a whole bunch of teeny-boppers …..

'''But they’ve got fat people. They’ve got short people. They’ve got nerds.

 * VW: They’ve got a lot of nerds. They’ve got people all different skin tones. So they’re attempting something.

'''Normal people. And that was wildly popular.

 * VW: I think maybe network is trying to break out of its shell, but I think because network is always after huge numbers, that’s always going to homogenize anything they do, any niche market. That’s why the Internet is giving television such a run for its money because Internet and cable is making it imperative that you seek out the audience that is right for your thing. I believe in that. I believe it’s silly to go after. If you’re good and you get a rating of two or three, which used to seem like nothing when I started television, but now it’s a pretty mediocre rating, You know a 3.0 or a 2.5 on a rating, that’s not awful. That’s good, that’s good enough. That’s two million people. That’s enough. But it’s the greediness. The greediness homogenizes everything, makes everything bland.

'''It’s self defeating because in the end people stop watching.

 * VW: You and I can say that, and I’ve been saying that till I’m blue in the face, since 1970 to my network, NBC, and they didn’t want to hear it. I said, why don’t you want to be better? It cost to be better. It’s too hard to be better. We need more numbers. Be better and you’ll get the numbers.

'''Why is it so difficult to see?

 * VW: But it’s not so easy to stay good.

'''Where do you think the disconnect is? Do you think it’s a disconnect between people who don’t know their product that they have on the air, like you have executives who really don’t follow it and it is what it is and stick with it?

 * VW: Money. I think that there’s an arrogance. It’s little lady housewives in their slippers and their wrappers and curlers. They still see it that way.

'''It’s the teenagers who come home from school

 * VW: And consequently. it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s what you’ve turned it into. And with Passions, you’ve turned it into mindless teeny-bopper fare. And even the teeny-boppers who are mindless say, ‘You know what, this is stupid.’ And turned it off so it didn’t last. And so I kept saying to them over the years, ‘This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You keep talking down and down and down and making it blander and stupider and then you keep wondering where your audience is going. They’re leaving in droves because it’s not very good. Why don’t you go back to the old model?” Well you don’t understand. It’s changed. With my show it was always NBC wanted to do one thing and P&G wanted to do another. Everything NBC wanted to do with our show that they were successful at doing killed it. Killed it again and again until it was dead.

Her relationship today to the character Rachel Cory
'''Do you still get mobbed on the streets when you walk?

 * VW: No, but I still get recognized.

'''How does that feel? Is it strange for you, because you probably were accustomed to that for so long?

 * VW: No, it’s very nice to get my anonymity back again. I am made anxious by being recognized now. Makes me anxious. It’s really nice to just go back to being a person.

'''To just walk into Saks and shop and not have it.

 * VW: I ran away from a lady just now on the street who, because you were on her favorite story, thinks it’s her right to accost you on the street, slam you against the building and ask you questions.  I’ve gotten really good at dodging and I just keep going. But it makes me nervous because in those days I used to have a driver who was also a body guard. I don’t have that now. So I get a little nervous. It doesn’t happen very much.

'''Is it annoying to talk about Rachel Cory still?

 * VW: No, no. It’s so sweet how loyal and faithful they were. You’re always grateful that it meant that much to people. That was my work and you know I never imagined I would feel about a job. It was no fun. The first ten years were wonderful fun and the next twenty were a real slog because of this battle between the two producing entities. It made it very unpleasant for someone like me who was trying to keep the ship afloat. It was just politically very wearing. But what I never imagined I would feel is the affection for the fans that were so loyal through a lot of crappy writing and terrible treatment that they got at the hands of NBC.

'''Were there certain writers who you just had it out with and you were like, ‘This is just not going to go?’

 * VW: Oh yeah, plenty. Plenty.

'''Is there any that stand out that you‘d want to name?

 * VW: No, and I don’t remember the names of any of them.

'''They were that bad? You remember the good ones, but not the bad ones?

 * VW: Yeah, that’s all. I was lucky I had a good part. I had a part where I could allow her to develop and become a lot of different things instead of what Lucci’s had to do which is to keep her character the same way. I could develop and grow as a person. She started out a young manipulative bitch and she wound up being quite a wise ….

'''Matriarch.

 * VW: With edges. With some serious edges. And that enabled me to become a role model. I was able, through her, to talk to all those ladies about what I thought women should be like.

'''What would be one story line that really stands out to you that you were like, “why didn’t we explore this more? This was an important issue.”

 * VW: You know, it was all such a blur. At the time I could have told you, but it’s been ten years now.

Wyndham on a higher power and the creative process
'''Do you believe in a higher power?

 * VW: Yes, definitely.

'''What is that higher power?

 * VW: I don’t know. But I just know that you can see it at work with the animals. I’m a big animal person.  Yeah, I do believe in a higher power. And I believe that whatever it is that the universe is good, basically, and that there is order and a principle to things and that when we align ourselves with principle, we do better.

'''Do you go to church?

 * VW: I don’t, no.

'''Do you pray?

 * VW: Yes.

'''Daily?

 * VW: Yeah, moment to moment I think. It’s not doctrinal. It’s not based on some doctrine.

'''It’s when you feel moved?

 * VW: Well, it’s a definite dialog with whatever is higher. I always feel like if you listen hard, real quietly, you’ll instinctively know which way to go and I’ve used that a lot in my life.  You can rely on your instincts and your deepest feelings. But most of us don’t listen. We let other things get in the way of listening. But yes I do believe that and I did that with Rachel. I mean she had a lot of miraculous moments which were as much driven by the actor who was playing her as the writers. I think I often did more in that direction than the writers would have liked me to. But I thought it was important.

'''Why do you think it’s difficult for people to pull instinct out from inside themselves and actually use it? As an actor, as an artist on any level, you have to? It’s almost like this little well inside yourself that when you get those little goose bumps and say, ’Oh, this is good.’

 * VW: Right. Go with it.

'''You have to go with it. But there’s a lot of people who, even if they have that feeling they talk themselves down from it. “Oh, this is actually crap. Oh, this is bad. Oh, this is stupid.”

 * VW: Or this person won’t be the person I think they’re going to be and then I think that’s when you have to say, “Wait a second. This is a good idea.”

'''How do you hold on to that feeling without talking yourself down from it?

 * VW: Well, it’s really tough. It really is tough and you have to argue with yourself all the time and we have all these selves inside ourselves  I’m just going to explore this. I’m going to go as long as I can. I also think we hold ourselves to a path because we thought that was the way to go. I don’t know any better than you do how to get through life. I mean, it’s a struggle. You work on it daily, but I do know that when we’re balanced -- you know people make much of balance -- but it’s true because I finally got to a point in my life where I’ve allowed myself to scale down, to give myself plenty of time to sleep, to eat normally, to have my creative time, have all the things that feed me. And I’m very lucky. I don’t think I would have survived very much longer living the way I was living with Another World. It had become quite an unwieldy thing for me.

'''In what way?

 * VW: Well it was just the politics of it and the effort …

'''It took the art out of it?

 * VW: Yeah. And also they were changing writers and producers on us almost weekly, and so you were always breaking in somebody new and they would rely on me heavily for that because at least I’d know how the show was run and how you did things.

After AW: Wyndham lost in California
'''It must get tiresome to constantly need to educate a new person every time, especially if they didn‘t get it and you’re like, ‘No, that’s not what I was saying. This was what I was saying. You misunderstood.’

 * VW: I’m telling you, it’s beyond … And also I was aware that a lot of people that were higher than them, who weren’t on the day to day, were working against the whole show. And it’s hard not to make that feel personal. After awhile you feel like you’re walking around with a target on your back. And so it was just over. I was done. I was done. But I gave it my last, best writing effort to give them a new idea, and it didn’t work either and so it was like, fine. Done now. Get out of here. And I have to do something different. So I took myself off to California, which my business people very much wanted me to do and I thought was just a crock and sort of a stupid idea.

'''The kids were grown up and you didn’t have to be back here anymore so you tried California?

 * VW: I tried it to be a good sport.

'''But don’t you feel better for having done it and knowing as opposed to always wondering?

 * VW: No. Because I wasn’t always wondering. I know this business. I’ve been in it since I was five. You don’t have to tell me about this business. I’m real clear on it. I’m over the hill for Hollywood folks. I didn’t need to go out there and have that drummed into me, but I did it because I was confused and exhausted. I didn’t know what else to do. And I had to give up my home, because I couldn’t afford it anymore. I was pretty much a lost soul and it was really really hard and it was my wilderness experience that everybody has.

Wyndham discovers painting
'''How did you get out of that wilderness?

 * VW: Well it was wonderful. I discovered this wonderful painter.

'''That was seven years? Seven years in Tibet?

 * VW: I know. How weird is that. There are cosmic things. So I discovered this wonderful artist who is out there, who is teaching at UCLA.

'''What’s his name?

 * VW: Joe Bloustein.

'''How did you meet him?

 * VW: Well I went to UCLA.  Christian came by because he had just finished a film. He came back into town because he lives out there. He took one look at me and went, ‘Aye yi yi Mom. Mom’s being a good sport, but she’s a little frazzled. She’s a little confused and perplexed.’ So he very sweetly took me for a drive to show me. It’s daunting, L.A. You get Manhattan. It’s on a grid.

'''L.A. is a mess, and you always get stuck in traffic.

 * VW: And I’m a country mouse. There was cement everywhere and I was living in a high-rise apartment sublet. I needed to know where parks were and stuff like that. I had been so busy going on business stuff. So Christian accurately accessed the situation, took me for a drive, and on the way we passed UCLA and I realized it was right around the corner from my apartment. And he said, ’If I were you Mom, I’d go over to UCLA and see if you couldn’t get back into your artwork.’ And I thought, what a wise suggestion from my young man. So I did. And I took a couple courses and it wasn’t that interesting. It was sort of like being at school and it was so distracting.  Then during a break one day I wandered down the hall and there was this incredible painting class and all the students were doing the most extraordinary work. And all the work was different.

'''So the class that you were in was not interesting, but you went to another class?

 * VW: I wandered down to see and everybody’s work was so individual and it was all so amazing and I got really excited instantly. The feeling.

'''The gooseflesh.

 * VW: Yeah. I got all excited and there was this little old man going around and he was the teacher. And he came over and he said, ‘May I help you?’ And then he recognized me, and he said, ‘You’re that actor.’ And I asked him to be quiet because I was trying to just be this artist person. And he was like, ‘Come in, come in, sit in on my class. Would you like to audit it?’ So I did and that started a wonderful relationship and he taught me how to paint. So it was just incredible. He took me on. I had never painted before because I’m a sculptor. So two-dimensional was really hard. I went on working with this guy. During the whole of four years that I worked with him, he had me work in his regular classes and then took me into his professional classes and I finally wound up working up non-stop with his professional group and his at-home group and he just made the whole experience of L.A. so worthwhile. It was, you know, follow those feelings. All of a sudden I realized why I was out there. Wow, I was out there to meet this guy.

'''What did it end up doing for you?

 * VW: When I was a young woman I read a biography of Louise Nevelson. Do you know who she is? She’s a sculptor, artist from the New York school sort of from around the time the abstract expressionists were here in New York in the 50s and 60s. She started out as an actor on Broadway and did what I did. She starred on Broadway, then she did off-Broadway, then she got married, then she became an artist. What that did to me was that told me that life is long and you can do a lot of things in one life. You don’t have to hold yourself to just one career. I realized that life was long and you could have more than one career. So I always figured that I was working on my sculpture all those years on the show and off the show and that would be my follow-up career. As an actor, I was aware that my shelf life wouldn’t be over 50. It wasn’t at 50, but it was shortly thereafter. And so going out there and meeting Joe and working at UCLA …

'''What did you do with that experience? You came back to the east coast?

 * VW: No. I did nothing. You have to wait to be called for auditions out there. So it’s a waiting game. They don’t want you to go anywhere because they want you right there. You go crazy because you‘re just hanging around for the phone to ring.

'''And there’s nothing you can do about it?

 * VW: No. So I just started painting. I was in a sublet. I got tarps and I laid them down over all of her furniture and the rugs and everything and I started painting on the walls. When Charles came out … he had been working or something or had been in England or something …

'''Charles Keating?

 * VW: Yeah. He came out to do pilot season. Big migration to do pilot season. He came out. When he walked in he saw every wall was covered with paintings. And I paint big. I paint wall-size. And he went, ‘On my God. You’re really good.’ And I was like, Great. It was like, Oh, good. I mean I wasn’t looking at it to see if it was good. I just had to do something. I had to paint. I was a country mouse confined in a city in an apartment with no animals, no family, no nothing. It was like, I have to paint. So I did. And he pulled amazing things out of me.

'''And that pulled you out of this funk?

 * VW: It got me through the seven years out there.

'''When did you decide to leave and come back?

 * VW: When I had gotten over the panic. It took me awhile to get over the panic. A long time.

'''What was that panic?

 * VW: Who am I?

'''I’m not getting calls.

 * VW: But also, a lot of endings. I wasn’t a mother anymore. I wasn’t an actor anymore. I wasn’t Rachel anymore.

'''Was that hard being divorced from that character?

 * VW: Yeah, you bet. Like anybody who has been unemployed, it’s really hard to be a non-entity in this country where everything is about being successful. And I didn’t know who I was. What do I do for an encore. But I knew I could paint. I knew I could do art. So that’s what I did. And I have a whole one-woman show from that period, that I’m just waiting for the right gallery to put up. I haven’t worked too hard at finding the gallery because I’m in no hurry and I just keep working. So that gave me the confidence that, yes, you really are an artist. And this is good stuff. I had enough vindication. I had enough people coming in to see my work out in L.A. Because you can’t be in one place for a while. I had all the artists that were working with Joe who were exceedingly good.

'''How is the inspiration for the art different from the inspiration you would draw for characters?

 * VW: Well totally different. It has to come totally from you. Just like you’re a writer. It’s one thing when you interview people, because they give you what to write as an interviewer.  But for a writer-writer, to do your own stuff, your own novel or your own play or something, you have to pull it out of your own ass.

'''Totally different worlds.

 * VW: Same thing as for painting and for sculpture. You have to find what it is you want to say.

'''What is it that you’re saying now in your art?

 * VW: I can’t put it into words. And you’re a little superstitious so you’re not going to do that. I’m painting. I’m not not painting. I’m painting. So that’s good. But what brought me back was the realization that, okay, I have enough confidence that I’ve started my third career. Now I need a home. This little apartment … I need more room for my painting. I need my own studio. I need bigger digs. It was too expensive to rent them out there. I could paint under Joe’s auspices at the very studios that he used, but it wasn’t satisfying. I mean I painted 24/7. I painted right around the clock. Hardly slept. Just kept painting. And I needed more room. I painted over everything. I gotta find another farm. And it’s got to have a lot of outbuildings so I can make one of the outbuildings into a studio. So it took me, oh, about three more years to find the farm and to sell some other real estate so I could afford to buy it. I found it and then it’s taken me the three years that I’ve been back here to renovate it. It’s a hundred-year-old farm and so it needed a lot of work. I renovated it and made it my studio. It’s in Connecticut. Then while I was doing that I went, okay, now I need to have my animals around me because that’s what feeds me also. So I got a horse and a couple more dogs and now I’m happy.

Wyndham on the state of the world
'''If you could choose the way you die, how would you choose?

 * VW: Peacefully, in my sleep. Peacefully. And Huey Marlowe, who played Jim Matthews in our show, he died that way. Good death. Peacefully, in my sleep, on my farm, after a wonderful day.

'''And if there is a God, and you went up there, what do you think God would say to you?

 * VW: I don’t believe in that kind of stuff.

'''But say it’s true.

 * VW: Okay, say it’s true. What would I like God to say to me? You did good.

'''And do you think He would? Or she?

 * VW: Yeah. Yeah. I tried my best. That’s all you can do.

'''It’s true. Has the Iraq war affected you?

 * VW: Awfully.

'''How so?

 * VW: Because I’ve had the time to follow it. Just instantly makes me unhappy. Just not good. It breaks my heart for America. We don’t stand for this. We stand for better things than this. Our country has stood for much better things.

'''Do you think the country has changed?

 * VW: No. I think.  We’re going to see.  I’m hoping after the next election that there is a serious attempt on everybody’s part to get us back to who we are. I don’t think we’re the big bully on the street. I don’t think any American really wants to be the bully. We want to be the good guys. We really do believe that we are heroes. And we want to be heroes. Our best was when we marched into those concentration camps and got those people out . You know, that Ken Burns show was unbelievable. That’s who we are.

'''I got into an argument when I was in law school. My professor came out against this really famous opinion which was almost what our entire notions of free speech are called California v. Whitney. It was written by this very famous justice about a hundred years ago named Brandeis.

 * VW: Right. Brandeis was one of the great justices.

'''Yeah. And he said in my class and I—something that law students don’t do; I didn’t fit in very well there—I took him on in the middle of 120 students and said, “I can’t believe you would say that he would not write that opinion today.” And he said, ‘Everything’s changed. It is thinking like yours that is why we discuss torture.”

 * VW: What did he say?

'''Oh he said that we have religious extremism now. We can’t tell who are our enemies. We have all these new things. And I said, ‘All of these things have existed in the past just because they are wrapped up in a different package or it’s a new mixture of ingredients doesn’t change them. In Vietnam we had people who were disguised as regular Vietnamese, driving our jeeps and blowing up our bases. That’s not anything different than what we have now. I said we had the first World Trade Center attack where that happened. That’s not a reason to all of a sudden start questioning our free speech rights just because it’s dressed up in a different package.

 * VW: No. It’s been there since the Revolutionary War and before.

'''World War I, IRA. That was Protestant versus Catholic regligious extremism. The UK had that. Just because we as Americans haven’t seen a certain kind of thing before doesn’t mean it’s new.

 * VW: The witch trials. That was a big free speech thing if we had had free speech then. We didn’t have a country then.

'''It’s amazing that we debate these things now.


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Developing nations bring technology transfer on agenda against resistance of Canada, Japan and US

December 4, 2007

A sub-body of the World Climate Change Conference today took up the item of "Development and transfer of technologies" on its Agenda, and subsequently decided to establish a contact group to speed up negotiations. Both the declaration of the new Agenda item, as well as the setting up of the Contact group, came after lengthy discussions that were polarized between the Group of 77 + China (G77+C), which is comprised of about 130 nations with developing industries, and the Umbrella group, which consists of most of the nations with highly industrialized economies, but the EU countries. .

The sub-body, called the Subsidiary Body for Implementation (SBI) is, as its name implies, amongst other things responsible for preparing and implementing decisions of the main body of the UNFCCC, the Conference of the Parties (COP). After having spent a large part of the morning discussing formalities regarding whether or not technology transfer was to be taken up as a separate item, the afternoon session had to be extended till around 9 pm local time. Even then some of the planned agenda items had not been concluded when the session closed.

The cause for discussion in the morning were two different interpretations of a decision the COP made yesterday: Member states of the G77+C believed that the referral of the item of tech transfer by the COP automatically lead to its inclusion on the agenda as a separate item, while the Chairman of the SBI and the US voiced the opinion that to for it to be included, the item would have to be formally agreed upon in the normal manner. Compromise, of one sort or another, could not be reached, and it was only after a legal adviser stated that in his point of view the item indeed was necessarily included on the agenda as a separate item that the matter could be concluded.

Due to the stalling in the mornings session, discussions on the actual item of technology transfer began after what would have been the scheduled closing time. South Africa made the proposal to set up a contact group for the item, so that it could be discussed in a setting with less participants in an informal way. A number of G77+C nations (including China and Nigeria) spoke out in support of this proposal, emphasizing that rapid progress was needed on the issue. Japan, and the US made critical statements, noting that they believed that the scope of the contact group should first be established, and that it would be more sensible to establish the contact group in 2008. After it was found that the group would nevertheless be established, the Chairman asked for suggestions for Co-chairs of the group, as one from the Annex I and one from the non Annex one would be required. The non-Annex I having already decided that they supported Prof. Philip M. Gwage from Uganda as Co-chair, the Annex I countries decided that Jukka Uosukainen from Finland would be the Co-chair on their behalf after brief deliberations. The decision being reached provoked some applause from delegates and observers, and the session was closed shortly thereafter.


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Taiwanese consumer laptop market faces change following ASUStek winning sustainability award

December 5, 2007 ASUS Eee PC, earlier launched world-wide for cost-saving and functionality factors, became a hot topic in 2007 Taipei IT Month. But the consumer market on laptop computer will be radically varied and changed after ASUS was awarded in the 2007 Taiwan Sustainable Award by Executive Yuan of the Republic of China.

Chairman of ASUS Jonney Shih said: "With this award, we [ASUS] are progressively approved by consumers with our quality and service," and stressed: "We'll have a great opportunity to look on bright factor on the Ratio of Sale on Eee PC world-wide including Taiwan."

Recently in fact, several laptop manufacturers launched multiple laptops not only low-price laptops but also others with Intel Centrino Duo or AMD Athlon 64x2 inside for different consuming population. And those manufacturers battled also on the high-definition AV market with theirs launch. No matter what their market battle will transform, the consumer will be the survivor and winner at this battle.


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Original reporting notes
I was there in the morning session from around 11 o clock (begin was scheduled for 10) (all times local), till when it closed at 12:45. I briefly looked into the session at about 4 o clock (afternoon session began at 3), but it was more or less checking off of the items of the agenda (as far as I can discern), so I thought not so interesting and left again soon. On an ofchance I checked in again at around 7 or 7:30, and only really wanted to stroll through on the way to somewhere else, when it started to get (in my opine) exciting. I then left very shortly before the session was closed (just after the item "tech transfer" had been concluded to be precise.

When I'm finished with the article, I might put up my notes (made on paper unfortunately, so maybe not).Sean Heron 15:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

morning session notes
Got the morning session digitally after all (not that its very legable :D):

Chair has heavy discussion with Pakistan on wheter ot not (hmm, I seem to left a way a critical part of the sentence...)

China: he does not think that a proposal has to be made by the chair, as the COP has decided already. He therefore wishes the Chair to withdraw the proposal.

Chair: He is not going against decision of the COP.

12:05, since an hour and a half he has been discussing the agenda item.

Pakistan: becoming frustrated. He thinks

China and Chairman goes backwards and forwards. China saying the agenda item has already been taken up, the Chair saying that it has not been

Portugal (for EU). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Heron (talk • contribs) 16:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

afternoon session notes
''Please note, all statements not verbatim. If you wish to insert verbatim quotes (and some sure would lend themeselves to spicing up the article a bit), try to find them in the webcast archive (see above).''

Nigeria: Almost derailed the Bali negotiations throught ?? words this morning. Support contact group as suggested by South africa. Further delay means that those with a responsibility have no intent to achieve ...

Saudi Arabia: Due to delay in work of SBI and of ... Flexibility, agreed to talks till 21:00 although 18:00 had been agreed upon. i hope that with the closing of this important item, the session will be closed. As we are all very tiered and translations are missing. Im afraid we need to continue tommorow.

Chair: not last item, Im afraid this is not...

Japan: I have heard that I recieved the fossil award and wanted to say thank you for that. I would like to say that I have insomnia and we ccan continue till tomorrow morning... And I think that we have to finish the scedule. Although we thin that the contact group should not be set up, we will go along

Canada -> bring it up in SBI 28 (2008)

USA -> same as Canada

Brazil -> very much in favor of establishing contact group.

Egypt -> Concerns on continuing without translations (there were no longer translations into the official UN languages, everybody needed to speak and understand english). p lease free a time slot tomorrow

Iran-> contact group

Nigeria -> regarding US + Japan he was hoping for comitments, but none have been made. So if it takes till 2008 to set up the contact group, how long will it take for decision?

Uganda .... He now sees whz it was discussed so long this morning. It has been discussed for 9 zears. We need to establish cotact group. Ghana -> we still need to discuss. Just establish contact group.

Chair -> also velieves contact group needs to be established. Which can discuss what is to be the scope —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Heron (talk • contribs) 19:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC) still chair: We need Co-chairs for the contact group -> Annex I and one from non Annex I.

Ghana: so and so should be co chair

Chair: We think Contact group needs to be implementsd by conract group (eh?) assuming the others waiting for the floor ( all developing nations) agree with the chair of G77 + china therefore would like to establish, need names.

Tanzania, on point of order: Why need consensus, when otherwise (on other items) it has been practice to establish without us all agreeing?

Chair: because (actually he said a lot more :D)

Tanzania: It is in your power to establish the contact group and declare the co chairs.

(Chair calls short recess (on behalf of canada) for Annex I nations to discuss who is to be "their" co chair)

Canada: Thank you, listen to EU

Portugal (for the EU): Yuka from Finland! poor Yuka. burdened him with so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Heron (talk • contribs) 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding on the article
Check out the unfccc.int website, you should find live video streams (realmedia unfortunately), and when your there, there will also be the archive. Cant tell you whether the videos have been put up yet, as the website is strangely not accessable from here at the moment, but a good warmup should be one of I think three consecutive Chinese statements made at about 10 am which went along the lines of (I'm trying to be verbatim): (with regards to the discussions on whether or not tech transfer had already been put on the agenda through the decision of a higher body) This is humiliating to me. You have bullied our ancestors, and now you (seem to be trying?) to bully us.

Otherwise see the times I stated above, they are the ones of interest with regard to the article. Sean Heron 15:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

apologies
I guess its a bit hard to get an idea of what this means with no comments by anybody. Im very sorry (for myself the most) that I didnt manage to get some comments on how different nations saw this outcome, I think that would have been a major contribution to the article. If Im lucky I might get some on the morrow, but i think it more likely Im going to sleep in. Sean Heron 19:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Feedback
Title change is better like this, sounds cooler indeed. Publish is ok.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


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US Congress debates Iraq funding

December 4, 2007 The United States Congress has returned from a two-week recess to face a busy agenda before it completes its session later this month. President George W. Bush is urging lawmakers to approve his funding request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as a first priority. President Bush renewed his criticism of majority Democrats in Congress who want to tie a timetable for the withdrawal of United States troops from Iraq with approval of more funds for the war effort.

"It's unconscionable to deny funds to our troops in harm's way because some in Congress want to force a self-defeating policy — especially when we're seeing the benefits of success," said President Bush.

Mr. Bush says progress made on the battlefield as a result of a boost in the number of troops in Iraq this year would be undermined by a troop withdrawal timeline.

The President has requested US$196 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The House of Representatives has approved US$50 billion of that. But in the Senate, Republican blocked a similar funding package last month because it included a timetable for a troop withdrawal.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said the failure of the Senate to approve the war funding should not be blamed on the Democrats.

"If not for the stubborn refusal of the president and his Republicans enablers to work with us, we would have accomplished a lot more," said Senator Reid.

Although Mr. Bush had warned that the Pentagon would be forced to begin laying off civilian employees if the funds are not received soon, Senator Reid said the Pentagon could shift funds for the war effort from other accounts.

Besides funding for the war, Congress must also pass legislation funding government agencies and programs. In addition, lawmakers may also try to revise a wiretapping law that expires in two months.

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"Teddy bear teacher" returns to England

December 4, 2007

The British teacher jailed for letting her students name a teddy bear "Muhammad" as part of a writing project arrived in England after being pardoned - ending a case that set off an international outcry and angered many moderate Muslims.

Gillian Gibbons is back home after serving eight days of a 15-day sentence for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad" as part of a writing project. This angered Sudanese authorities who said it was an insult to the Islamic prophet. She was released after being pardoned by Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir.

In Britain, the obviously relieved Gibbons said she was concerned she might have offended people.

"It has been an ordeal but I would like you to know that I was well-treated in prison and everybody was very kind to me. I was very sorry to leave Sudan. I had a fabulous time there. It is a really lovely place, and I managed to see some of the beautiful countryside while I was there," she said. "The Sudanese people I found to be extremely kind and extremely generous, and until this happened to me, I only had a good experience."

Gibbons could have received 40 lashes or a six-month jail sentence. After her sentencing last week, hundreds of Sudanese demonstrated for a stiffer sentence, with some calling for her to be executed.

Gibbons' arrest resulted in an international outcry and a tense stand-off between Sudan and Britain. It was also widely condemned by British Muslims. Her release followed the intervention of two Muslim peers, Lord Ahmed and Baroness Warsi who travelled to Khartoum and met Monday with President Omar al- Bashir.

A senior adviser of president Bush said Mr. Bashir insisted Gibbons had received a fair trial.

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Climate change threatens world's poorest says Oxfam

December 4, 2007 The anti-poverty group Oxfam says global warming is altering the human food supply and threatening some of the world's poorest people with hunger. At the United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Bali, the group argued developed countries should pay to address the problem, and costs could top $50 billion a year.

Climate change, which many scientists believe is fuelled by human activities, alters rain cycles and causes increased droughts and flooding. Rising temperatures mean some traditional crops do not grow as well as they used to. The United Nations predicts that in some African countries, crop yields could fall by half.

Oxfam researcher Kate Raworth says coping with these issues will be expensive.

"Oxfam has estimated that for all developing countries to adapt to climate change will cost at least $50 billion a year," she said. "And for that to be done with justice we believe that the rich and the most polluting countries should pay the vast share of the money to make possible for those countries most vulnerable and least responsible for causing the problem to cope with the new realities they have to deal with."

The report released by Oxfam at the conference on Tuesday says some countries are already feeling the effects of a warming planet. In South Africa, farmers are planting faster-maturing crops to adapt to unpredictable rainfall.

Bangladeshis are creating floating vegetable gardens that can thrive in spite of floods. But Mozaharul Alam, who heads Bangladesh's climate adaptation effort, says overall improvements to the food system still leave many families vulnerable.

"Most of the agriculture is subsistent in nature," said Alam. "So if [there is] any failure of the crop on the ground, even if there is food available in the market, unless the people has the buying capacity, that availability of the food in the market has no meaning to the vulnerable family."

Oxfam argues the United States, the European Union, Japan, Canada and Australia should be among the major sources of funds to help developing countries solve their climate change problems.

These countries have agreed in principle, but one task of the Bali Conference is to find out how much individual countries are willing to spend on climate-related issues. It also aims to begin deciding how to divide those resources between prevention of further climate change, and adaptation to the changes that are already taking place.

The conference involves thousands of scientists, government officials and development group representatives, and runs for another 10 days.


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The articles you posted, Energy Research Institute of Russian Academy of Sciences and Eriras belong on Wikipedia, not here on Wikinews. Please move them. They will soon be deleted here. --SVTCobra 17:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Wishlist

Right i reckon that we should have a list of things that people want to get on Wikinews and if we all put in ideas and help out on the ones we can help on then maybe we might get some new shiny stuff (like comment tabs etc).

List

 * Cats bot to automatically add cats (think this was discussed before somewhere)--Mark Talk to me 17:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Unlikely, could you write a set of rules for categorisation for someone who didn't know English? That's basically what you're asking. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about setting up bots, but I would have thought it's doable. Give it a list of availible categories (there's a special page that lists them all, could we run it off that?) and add the caegory if the apropriate word(s) are mentioned in the first paragraph, or if they are mentioned R number of times or in a text-to-mention ratio of Y:Z. Can that be done? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In theory yes, but I think in practice it would be inaccurate and require more to maintain a list of keywords to trigger categorisation than the actual categorisation process itself. Also liable to a lot of false positives. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Theres one on commons - i may try to contact the user about how it's done etc...--Mark Talk to me 14:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I might be able to try to make something in javascript - click a button and it magically suggests (keyword suggests) categories. (but i don't really have time to really look at doing something like that until a couple of weeks from now when my (real) life hopefully gets lets busy). Bawolff ☺☻ 03:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Listing on Google news. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

 * More contributors who aren't crazy (well, if they're crazy it should be about getting stuff up here in accordance with policy guidelines). --Brian McNeil / talk 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * whats wrong with being craaaaaaaaazyyyy, hmm donoughts and cream.....:-)--Mark Talk to me 14:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

 * A new story on WIRED. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

 * A pony. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ok i can do that AND its CRAAZY!!! Image:Old pony by the solent.jpg--Mark Talk to me 14:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

 * A tool that prevents Markie from publishing stories without categories. --SVTCobra 23:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * hehhe im sorry :-). your an admin so block me (joking} :-) --Mark Talk to me 23:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

 * A bit of scripting that allows me to automaticaly add comments pages to my watchlist in Internet Explorer!! Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit of scripting that automatically stops people from using internet explorer ;-) (On a serious note, I'll make something soonish, it should not be very hard). user:Bawolff 10:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for you: Add  into special:mypage/monobook.js (or whatever skin you use) and do a hard refresh. Next time you add a talk page or article, the associated comments page will be watched. If you watch a comments page, it will watch associated article or talk page automatically. Pitfalls with this: The you are now watching the comment page doesn't always tell the truth (it will call both articles and comment pages comment pages, and the sitenotice is in between it and the other watch message), this doesn't work in reverse - if you unwatch an article, you have to manually unwatch the comments. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Use  Also testing setting the gadgets in Gadget section of prefs. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A new method of searching that takes into account how recent results are as well as relevence to the search terms (yeah, and I can dream on for that one!). Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Getting rid of the link to Comments_talk: --+Deprifry+ 12:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The link has to exist because of technical limitations; new namespace means associated talk space. However, maybe a bot could automaticaly redirect these pages to the main comments pages? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * thats easy enough to get rid of ( a bot seems a biut of a waste of effort though)—no technical limitation is to big for crazy javascript. - add  to special:mypage/monobook.js (note the script does other things- duplicating the real opinion js somewhat, and is still in testing etc), but it does get rid of comment talk, replacing it with normal talk. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Some sort of Taser that will get me writing again. Jcart1534 19:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Like SIGECUTE? Bawolff ☺☻ 01:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not too keen on the electrocution! Maybe more like a cattle prod? Jcart1534 03:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. That reminds me of the computer game worms 2. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

technical stuff
This is another technical wish list of things i've collected that could possibly(but not-neccesarily) be useful

improved rss
I think the rss feeds could be improved. special:dpl2rss/category=foo... making an rss feed (or some other sort of api.php equivelent for dpls) or maybe a query page (like special:Newpages) for category intersection. so we could have per category rss feeds, and it be on wiki so one it breaks its not a game of who currently maintains it.
 * What is being done: someone (Zach?) has a toolserver thing in making for category intersection rss. I made a sort of category intersection query special page, but it is not really usable in its current form (mostly due to my lack of experiance with php). Bawolff ☺☻ 02:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Todo: If the toolserver thing is real, and is good enough for use, link from portals and categories via js
 * Yes, it's real (all published, sports published, Minnesota published, etc) It doesn't provide full text, and relies on the toolserver replication lag not sucking (which seems to be "hardly ever" lately). (→ Zachary ) 02:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

A custom skin
Some people want Custom skin. I personally feel that modern or cologne blue is good enough, and our non-skin stuff has improved so this isn't really that high a priority imho. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

better search
suggested on water cooler that we have a more google news style search. I am somewhat doubtful that is happening soon

rdf
Use mediawikis rdf features to replace the static cc rdf in the footer. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really critical or important as the footer does what it needs to (google sees it), but would be slightly better.

better stats
how to? Bawolff ☺☻ 02:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

earthquake bot
Bot to update Portal:Disasters and accidents/Recent Earthquakes
 * This sounds interesting and quite straightforward, I'll investigate doing this later today. Adambro (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Climate change threatens world's poorest says Oxfam

The European Union
Just a little remark to the responsibility of USA, Canada, EU, Japan and Australia. It s not just the European Union on the continent. I know - most highly industrialized countries are member of the EU but whats with Switzerland and Norway? They ve got the same duties then the other countries in Europe. It s not about blaming these two as well - just rephrase the article a bit and they are included as well. Thanks for your attention....


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Comments:McDonald's petitions Oxford English Dictionary to remove the word McJob

I work for McDonald's in London. McDonald's want to change definition but they want to change all definition denying only few points. Work at McDonald's is definition's everyday more. We are payed worst possible money for long work without even second free time (without clocking out). We are pushed to the limit, management shouts at as all the time. People which I work with are not bad people but they are not really smart as well. Usually we change our staff every 3 to 6 months (I mean staff leaving job for better one). Every person at my restaurant (and I think at franchise) was pushed to sign petition. I almost lost my job refusing to sign up. 90 pc of staff don't know what they signed for. I don't want to be called stupid or blunt but I don't want this definition to be changed this way.


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Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

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{A British teacher in Sudan was convicted of blasphemy after letting her pupils name a teddy bear after the prophet Mohammed. Which of the following were not included in her sentence? - 15 days imprisonment + 40 lashes - she can no longer work as a teacher in Sudan - deportation from the country
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 * See British teacher convicted of insulting Islam in Sudan

{At the peace conference for the Middle East in Annapolis, U.S., which two leaders flanked George W. Bush at the reading of the joint statement (see image)? - Ismail Haniyeh and Ehud Olmert - Mahmoud Abbas and Ismail Haniyeh + Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas - Shimon Peres and Ismail Haniyeh
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{President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan gave up his post of army general last week. How long did he head the army? - 7 years + 9 years - 11 years - 13 years
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 * See Musharraf quits as chief of army staff in Pakistan

{Which of the following events did not take place as part of the December 1 World AIDS Day? - George W. Bush announced that he and the first lady will travel to sub-Saharan Africa early next year - The rock band Queen made a new song freely available from their website + Kevin Rudd promised to increase Australia's financial support to the World AIDS Campaign - In a city in China, official AIDS warning signs were put on hotel bedstands
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 * See World AIDS Day events held around the globe

{On Tuesday last week, Google announced that the company would in the future start investing hundreds of millions of dollars in what? - Health information - Auto industry - Mobile telephony + Renewable energy
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{New data from the European Space Agency's Venus Express mission found proof of what phenomenon on the neighbouring planet? - Lakes - Rainbows + Lightning - Holes in the atmosphere
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{On Friday night, a Swiss teenage girl was shot from a distance by a man using the firearm he carries because he has what job? - Policeman - Sniper - National Intelligence officer + Soldier
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Talk:Victoria Wyndham on Another World and another life

Hey David. Just wanted to let you know that the correct spelling of the company is "Procter & Gamble," not "Proctor." I noticed a lot of instances of that and wanted to let you know so you could correct it before publishing. TheCustomOfLife 21:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Feel free to correct it yourself, as well.  This is, after all, about collaboration ;-)  --David Shankbone 22:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I will if I have time. I'm working on publishing my own interview. :) TheCustomOfLife 22:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"Daytime"= "soap opera"
Regarding,, I'm an American and wasn't aware of this so it might make sense to include anyways for people not as familiar with the terminology. JoshuaZ 01:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There are also "prime-time" soaps so I agree it is not immediately redundant, please restore. --SVTCobra 01:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When you have the signifier "daytime television" at the end, it is redundant. Nighttime may or may not mean soaps, but daytime means soaps 100%. The only other thing on strict network daytime schedules are game shows, and what actresses act on game shows? Not restoring. TheCustomOfLife 06:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What would Ellen, Oprah, Regis, et. al. fall under? What about Starting Over House? Or, for that matter, all of the categories under the Daytime Emmy Awards?--David Shankbone 15:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I said network daytime schedules. Those are syndicated shows. TheCustomOfLife 21:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are speaking strictly from the point of a fan, and clearly the distinction is unclear to the rest of the non-daytime watching world. --David Shankbone 21:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * People seriously don't get it otherwise? I don't think it's a fan thing, it's a reading comprehension thing. And yes I am a fan, and a proud one, too. Don't you make me feel bad about that. TheCustomOfLife 01:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nobody "makes" you feel anything; feelings are internally controlled. Regardless, the point I made still stands.  --David Shankbone 01:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We are catering to an international audience here. Beyond worrying if "day-time soap" is redundant, we should rather worry about explaining what a "soap" is to people who probably have not heard that term when referring to something other than for washing. IMO, it should state day-time and soap-opera, and link soap. What a waste of editorial time this is. --SVTCobra 02:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Do what you want. I'm done with it. TheCustomOfLife 03:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Typo
editprotected

'the the' => Either the quote is incorrect and it should be only one 'the', or the quote is correct and [sic] should be added. Van der Hoorn (talk) 13:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Done — Gopher65talk 02:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

 * editprotected
 * Not sure how to edit (perhaps I need a news account, not just a Wiki one) but Marshall LaPlume is incorrect. She is referring to Marshall McLuhan, the Canadian media philosopher. 2601:D:2780:292:B942:5748:203C:FA52 (talk) 23:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not just your account. Because news articles are snapshots in time, and thus part of the historical record, they are fully protected once they go into our permanent archives.
 * This is an interesting case. How to handle it depends not only on what name is correct, but also on whether we've an accurate record of what the interviewee said.  There's a standard mechanism for when we get it wrong, and it's discovered well after the fact.  There's a standard mechanism for when the interviewee gets it wrong, and we're aware of it immediately.  Well, there's time to figure out how to handle it in the third case once we know for sure what we're dealing with.  -Pi zero (talk) 10:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

 * ❌, at the present time we don't even have any evidence to back up the claim another name was meant. If you can make a good case for it, reopen the editprotected request and we'd be glad to have another look. BRS  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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Re-asking the correction request posted above by another user in 2015. The person who Wyndham mentions is Marshall McLuhan, not "Marshall LaPlume." McLuhan is, as mentioned above, a media philosopher who talked a great deal about the impacts that very accessible media platforms have. The evidence is that Wyndham's quote references "cool medium" and that is one of McLuhan's theories. There are numerous references to this easily accessible on Google, but for brevity's sake I will list one here. Please make this correction. Reference: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110810105107935 2601:282:1300:296:C01E:CC46:9341:F228 (talk) 19:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

 * It does appear likely she was alluding to McLuhan. This brings us back to the point I made in 2015.  We don't have immediate evidence for whether it was a transcription error or if Wyndham got it wrong.  It's unlikely we could find out from David Shankbone (though his input would certainly be welcome).  If we were sure it was a transcription error, caught long after publication, we would issue a correction.  A transcription error caught soon after publication, we would just fix.  If we were sure it wasn't a transcription error, and we caught it soon after publication, there are various ways we might mark up the interview.  For a transcription error caught long after publication, some thought is called for.  There's likely an elegant solution that will seem obvious if once we find it. --Pi zero (talk) 21:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)