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Talk:Vandalism on online epilepsy forum triggers convulsions

Scientology?
What exactly does this article have to do with Scientology? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Anonymous blames it on Scientology. It's right in there. Misou - (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Anonymous is not reported to be responsible for this attack and I have yet to find a source that states it was done by the group 'Anonymous.' DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I recall seeing suggestions on blogs that this is a "false flag" op by the church. Whether there is is a reliable source for this I don't know. Adambro - (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fairy Tales, but sure they usually blame somebody else. Wired News reported it VERY clearly. So did several other magazines, even in Germany. Google News helps a lot, if you try. Otherwise it was on the *chans as well. Misou - (talk) 18:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note: *chans are not reliable sources. --Skenmy(t•c•w) 18:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * REALLY??? Misou - (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Then find a source to back up your claims that it was the group Anonymous. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * READ the sources. What's so difficult about this? Misou - (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * the sources do not say that anonymous conducted the attacks, merely that anon has been blamed. This is not something that the new anon (post-10th feb) would do. There is no physical evidence that anonymous did these attacks. I could blaim soviet russia, but there is also no evidence that they commited the attacks. People used to blame the jews, now they blame anonymous. We need to focus on not scapegoating the current target of opportunity.Rekov - (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV
I have concerns that this article has been written with a bias towards a Scientologist point of view. And before anyone jumps on me for "hating scientologists" and blah blah blah, the paragraph I contest is this:

"Wired News additionally reports that there is "circumstantial evidence" linking the perpetrators of the attack to the loose-knit anti-Scientology collective, Anonymous. Following critical reports about the attack members of the group tried to blame the attack on the Church of Scientology."

The "tried to blame" part indicates that the first evidence is correct, and the blaming is not. If we are going to report this "part" of the story we have to be neutral, no matter what our sources read.

Note: Please do NOT remove the NPOV tag until this is sorted out. --Skenmy(t•c•w) 18:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Anonymous is described as a "loose-knit anti-Scientology collective" - which has absolutely no bearing on this article. Suggest it is changed to "internet group Anonymous" or similar to remain unbiased. --Skenmy(t•c•w) 18:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is a quote from the source. You obviously did not care to read it. Please, let's get off this prejudice mode. Misou - (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't care if it's a quote from the source - it is *not neutral*, and so should not be included as article text. If it was included as part of a quote then fair enough, but inside article text and descriptive paragraphs it is out of place. --Skenmy(t•c•w) 19:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous? Not in WIRED
They never say it WAS anonymous but make a hint that it was. From WIRED: "Circumstantial evidence suggests the attack was the work of members of Anonymous, an informal collective of griefers best known for their recent war on the Church of Scientology. The first flurry of posts on the epilepsy forum referenced the site EBaumsWorld, which is much hated by Anonymous. And forum members claim they found a message board thread -- since deleted -- planning the attack at 7chan.org, a group stronghold."

So until ther is PROOF and not circumstantial evidence, which according to wired was removed/deleted, then we have no ground to make any such accusation. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

 * "Circumstantial evidence suggests the attack was the work of members of Anonymous". Ok, obviously you don't care about reading source, but I do. Here:

DailyTech "When the attack started, posts referenced several groups, including Anonymous. Anonymous is the name given to a group of people who have taken issue with the Church of Scientology. The media has called them hackers and criminals, some call them genius. The point is they are exactly what the name suggests, anyone, everyone, Anonymous. The IHM too are Anonymous, but not the same as those who are fighting the CoS."

The Inquirer (and The The Tech Herald) "Currently the blame has been put on a group called Anonymous whoich recently took on the Church of Scientology. The reason for the attack appears to be because the site referenced EBaumsWorld, which is much hated by Anonymous."

PC PRO "Posts on the forum claiming to be from the hacker group Anonymous have claimed responsibility, but the true culprits of the attack are not yet known."

I could go on and on, switch to German and French and it would still be the same (I learned from all this when reading an Austrian paper!). Misou - (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They provide no evidence other than saying deleted posts and channels say so. That IMHO is not good enough for me. I will not allow any article to accuse anyone or any group of anything unless there is PROOF to the story. In this case there is none. If you want to accuse Anonymous or anyone else of an attack then prove it. Deleted posts and channels accusations and conspiracies are not reliable. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not good enough for you, huh? But good enough for reliable sources to mention. But not good enough for you. Well, if we follow your logic then Anonymous does nothing for Anonymous does not exist and has no members and no post or action anywhere or at any time could be said to be Anonymous. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. These are as much the actions of Anonymous as any protest outside a Church. If you have the stomach to follow their planning then you can go to not420chan.com. WARNING - turn off browser image loading (graphic images) and hit Cntl-A to see text. If you do not think this bears the hallmark of Anonymous then you do not know much about Anonymous. Because none of us are as cruel as all of us. --JustaHulk - (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The only mention of Anonymous is here: "Wired News additionally reports that there is "circumstantial evidence" linking the perpetrators of the attack to the loose-knit anti-Scientology collective, Anonymous. Following critical reports about the attack members of the group tried to blame the attack on the Church of Scientology." And this is fully sourced. DragonFire1024, you are violating your own rules. That's no news, I just need to read the Scientology articles to know that. But that's no reason to let it slide. Misou - (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not going to get into an argument with you. There is no evidence other than a single (one) source saying it was anonymous. Other sources are quoting wired, as you state above "The only mention of Anonymous" was Wired. This is tecnically . DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to argue. "Read the sources", what else should I say? Wired reports that there is circumstantial evidence, at least four other papers, including a professional news agency (OÖNachrichten, Austria; Krone, Austria; 20minuten, Switzerland; Nachrichten.at, Austria) say that the owner of the forum says it was Anonymous. And then you got the DailyTech and The Tech Herald quoting IHM with the same thing. Report what's there and not what you wish should be there. Misou - (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Attempted rewrite
Anonymous hackers attack epilepsy victims in online forums/Rewrite --Skenmy(t•c•w) 19:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Text no different. Misou - (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Stop
Let's ALL stop the editwarring here. I'm surprised we all haven't been blocked. This needs sorting out before it is published, so stop changing the tags. I'm writing a comment right now - hold on for a second... --Skenmy(t•c•w) 20:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. The related news section doesn't belong on this article - while the article mentions Anonymous, it doesn't mean we need to link to articles that they are involved in that have little or nothing to do with the content of the article. We also need to be careful as to how we attribute quotes and whatnot - the article is it's current state conforms to all style guidelines while retaining the same information as the original article. --Skenmy(t•c•w) 20:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Ramadge source
Minus the fact that this source also relies heavily on the basically one source that is then repeated by others (Wired), this is probably the best source to model from, as far as the way the information is presented in a NPOV manner. Cirt - (talk) 20:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Additional sources
These additional sources were added to the article with the intention of providing verification of some of the material but since they don't add any new information and only serve to make it harder to determine whether all the material is sourced, I am moving them here. Adambro - (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Publishing
It is my intention to publish this article. I am satisfied that there are multiple independent sources as required. I am also satisfied that it is written in a balanced way which includes the suggestions that "Anonymous" was behind this whilst noting that this has been denied by some who have instead suggested that the Church of Scientology was actually behind it as part of a false flag operation. I do not feel that either party is given undue weight. I have renamed this article by removing "Anonymous" from its title because it was unclear as to what this meant and it could be seen to imply that the group "Anonymous" were definetly responsible when that isn't clear. Adambro - (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks a little bit better, I'm not opposed to its being published in its current state. Cirt - (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hackers?
I'd just like to point out that, correctly used, a "hacker" is not a person who engages in computer mischief. Hackers are the people who use computers constructively, such as web developers and the engineers of complex sites. When a person uses this knowledge maliciously, they are then referred to as a "cracker." I just wanted to make the clarification. - 208.100.241.184 01:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Cirt - (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge that is not accurate. There are many forms and there are subtleties in the way that the term is differently by different people, but to define it as people who use computers constructively is an outlandish claim. See also Hacker. You might as well say that it is a golfer or a tennis player. --SVTCobra 01:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is an old point - "hackers" vs. "crackers"; black hat hackers vs. white hat hackers. In actual fact there was little hacking of any sort involved here but the media says "hacker" for any sort of computer mischief. --JustaHulk - (talk) 02:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews interviews Jim Babka, chair of Libertarian organization Downsize DC

April 3, 2008🇺🇸A reporter from Wikinews recently interviewed Jim Babka, chair of Libertarian organization Downsize DC. The organization claims to have arranged for 22,158 people to send a message regarding the "American Freedom Agenda Act" proposed by Ron Paul, in addition to supporting many other laws. The full text of the interview can be found below.

Interview
What is Downsize DC?

 * Jim Babka: DownsizeDC.org is an organization that makes it easy for every day citizens, with jobs and busy lives, to express their wishes to their two Senators and Representative. It's free and quite easy to use. The DownsizeDC.org system combines education, recruitment, and activism into one simple, seamless process. And once someone sends a message, they begin receiving our free email newsletter, or as we prefer to describe it, they become part of the Downsize DC Army. Voltaire said, "God tends to be on the side of the bigger battalions." And we're looking to build the Downsize DC Army so large that Congress cannot afford to ignore us – so big that we can get our message of small, Constitutionally-limited government out everywhere

Why do you believe the federal government has grown too large?

 * JB: Big government at all levels steals about half of everything Americans earn. We don't believe politicians know best how to spend your money or run your life. We want you to be able to keep what you earn; to spend, to save, to invest, and to give away as you see fit.

 * We recognize that big government really doesn't work well. Big government has damaged education and health care. It has made us more vulnerable to terrorism while trading away our liberty. It has served the interests of large corporate conglomerates at the expense of individuals. We want to make better education and health care more readily available to you. We want you to live in safety and keep your civil liberties. We want to put an end to corporate welfare.

 * The Constitution is our guide, and it limits the powers of the federal government. We want the Constitution restored. We believe that we must Downsize DC so that we can have greater peace and human progress.

If you could change one aspect of government what would it be and why?

 * JB: What a terrible question to ask someone like me! It would've been much easier to ask me what parts of government I would like to keep.

 * But seriously, if you're going to put a gun to my head like that I would say real legislative reform. Each year and every crisis, government will grow. The legislative rules are written so that the results are virtually guaranteed – more expensive and intrusive government. The incentives in the current legislative environment are all wrong.

 * One way we can really address this is through a series of laws, and perhaps, one day, constitutional amendments, which would truly limit Congress in their ability to spend, create and maintain programs, and pass new laws and regulations.

 * Congress doesn't read their bills and they frequently pass these long un-read bills with little or no time to review them. We have proposed the Read the Bills Act to remedy that problem. The Read the Bills Act has the added benefit of requiring Congress to post their bills online for reporters, watchdog groups, and every day citizens to be able to read for seven days before the final vote.

 * Because we realized that to get around the Read the Bills Act, Congress might cheat, abbreviate their proposals, and just delegate the nitty-gritty details into the hands of unelected bureaucrats who aren't accountable to the people, we proposed the Write the Laws Act. An elected Congress should sweat the details and then be accountable to their constituents.

 * Congress also violates the rules of your high school government class, where you were told it took a majority to pass a law. Congress simply combines bad proposals that wouldn't stand on their own, like the Real ID Act (which should be repealed), into bills that are certain to pass, such as a troop appropriation bill. To deal with that problem we presented the One Subject at a Time Act.

 * And in the future, we'll call for government to follow it's [sic] own accounting and reporting rules for the private sector, ala Sarbanes-Oxley, and a sunset provision requiring all taxes and programs to come up for a vote for re-authorization, with the requirement that they too be read, in full.

 * And it's funny because once I get away from the professional, political culture – "the beltway crowd" – and being talking to the Americans that pay the bills – the people in "flyover country" – I find that it doesn't matter what political party people come from. Nearly everyone I meet thinks Congress should be required to read their bills and post them online for seven days, pass bills one subject at a time, and be required to conduct periodic review so that some government programs that don't work get shut down. These proposals are… transpartisan.

'''Many people consider organizations like yours to be ultra conservative. Would you agree with this judgement. If not, why not?'''

 * JB: I don't even know what that means. It sounds a bit pejorative. I wouldn't agree with that judgment, but I'd want to know what the definition of conservative is.

 * In our era, those wearing the appellation "conservative" have, by their actions, if not their rhetoric, defined conservative as… large deficit spending: "monopoly money" policies; corporate welfare alliances; first amendment restrictions; greatly diminished civil liberties in the face of a boogey-man threat; an unconstitutional, unified executive theory; the leap into unconstitutional, pre-emptive wars, also based on boogey-man threats; and an empire. I could go on and on. But if that's all "conservative," then we'd want nothing to do with it.

 * In addition, we've had some very successful alliances with groups who would never describe themselves as conservative. Take, for example, the ACLU. We've worked with them on three issues in just the last 16 months. But we've worked with, quite literally, dozens of liberal or progressive groups, on a variety of issues. We've opposed: The War in Iraq; the potential attack of Iran; the Patriot Act; the attempts to get around FISA Courts and spy on Americans; tribunals, secret evidence, and the death of habeas corpus; FCC censorship; the Real ID Act; and the Patriot Act. We've supported improved whistleblower protections, greater government transparency, 9/11 accountability, closing the Drug Czar's office, and ending the war on medical marijuana users. And we've done all of this with groups who weren't the least bit conservative.

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Talk:Wikinews interviews Jim Babka, chair of Libertarian organization Downsize DC

OR Notes

 * Interview carried out by email --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 19:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Ful transcript below - except where it says . My name was there in the text

"On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jim Babka  wrote: Answers interspersed below.

Jim Babka, President Downsize DC Foundation & DownsizeDC.org, Inc. Host... The Downsize DC Conference Call

From: Wikinewsie: Anonymous101 [mailto:wikinewsie.anonymous101@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:33 PM To: JimBabka@downsizedc.org Subject: Re: Interview with Wikinews

Jim,

Thanks for agreeing to be interviewed. Here is the first four questions. Further questions my be sent as follow ups to your answer's.

Questions- What is Downsize DC?

DownsizeDC.org is an organization that makes it easy for every day citizens, with jobs and busy lives, to express their wishes to their two Senators and Representative. It's free and quite easy to use. The DownsizeDC.org system combines education, recruitment, and activism into one simple, seamless process. And once someone sends a message, they begin receiving our free email newsletter, or as we prefer to describe it, they become part of the Downsize DC Army. Voltaire said, "God tends to be on the side of the bigger battalions." And we're looking to build the Downsize DC Army so large that Congress cannot afford to ignore us – so big that we can get our message of small, Constitutionally-limited government out everywhere.

Why do you believe the federal government has grown too large?

Big government at all levels steals about half of everything Americans earn. We don't believe politicians know best how to spend your money or run your life. We want you to be able to keep what you earn; to spend, to save, to invest, and to give away as you see fit.

We recognize that big government really doesn't work well. Big government has damaged education and health care. It has made us more vulnerable to terrorism while trading away our liberty. It has served the interests of large corporate conglomerates at the expense of individuals. We want to make better education and health care more readily available to you. We want you to live in safety and keep your civil liberties. We want to put an end to corporate welfare.

The Constitution is our guide, and it limits the powers of the federal government. We want the Constitution restored. We believe that we must Downsize DC so that we can have greater peace and human progress.

If you could change one aspect of government what would it be and why?

What a terrible question to ask someone like me! It would've been much easier to ask me what parts of government I would like to keep. LOL.

But seriously, if you're going to put a gun to my head like that I would say real legislative reform. Each year and every crisis, government will grow. The legislative rules are written so that the results are virtually guaranteed – more expensive and intrusive government. The incentives in the current legislative environment are all wrong.

One way we can really address this is through a series of laws, and perhaps, one day, constitutional amendments, which would truly limit Congress in their ability to spend, create and maintain programs, and pass new laws and regulations.

Congress doesn't read their bills and they frequently pass these long un-read bills with little or no time to review them. We have proposed the Read the Bills Act to remedy that problem. The Read the Bills Act has the added benefit of requiring Congress to post their bills online for reporters, watchdog groups, and every day citizens to be able to read for seven days before the final vote.

Because we realized that to get around the Read the Bills Act, Congress might cheat, abbreviate their proposals, and just delegate the nitty-gritty details into the hands of unelected bureaucrats who aren't accountable to the people, we proposed the Write the Laws Act. An elected Congress should sweat the details and then be accountable to their constituents.

Congress also violates the rules of your high school government class, where you were told it took a majority to pass a law. Congress simply combines bad proposals that wouldn't stand on their own, like the Real ID Act (which should be repealed), into bills that are certain to pass, such as a troop appropriation bill. To deal with that problem we presented the One Subject at a Time Act.

And in the future, we'll call for government to follow it's own accounting and reporting rules for the private sector, ala Sarbanes-Oxley, and a sunset provision requiring all taxes and programs to come up for a vote for re-authorization, with the requirement that they too be read, in full.

And it's funny because once I get away from the professional, political culture – "the beltway crowd" – and being talking to the Americans that pay the bills – the people in "flyover country" – I find that it doesn't matter what political party people come from. Nearly everyone I meet thinks Congress should be required to read their bills and post them online for seven days, pass bills one subject at a time, and be required to conduct periodic review so that some government programs that don't work get shut down. These proposals are… transpartisan.

Many people consider organizations like yours to be ultra conservative. Would you agree with this judgement. If not, why not?

I don't even know what that means. It sounds a bit pejorative. I wouldn't agree with that judgment, but I'd want to know what the definition of conservative is.

In our era, those wearing the appellation "conservative" have, by their actions, if not their rhetoric, defined conservative as… large deficit spending: "monopoly money" policies; corporate welfare alliances; first amendment restrictions; greatly diminished civil liberties in the face of a boogey-man threat; an unconstitutional, unified executive theory; the leap into unconstitutional, pre-emptive wars, also based on boogey-man threats; and an empire. I could go on and on. But if that's all "conservative," then we'd want nothing to do with it.

In addition, we've had some very successful alliances with groups who would never describe themselves as conservative. Take, for example, the ACLU. We've worked with them on three issues in just the last 16 months. But we've worked with, quite literally, dozens of liberal or progressive groups, on a variety of issues. We've opposed: The War in Iraq; the potential attack of Iran; the Patriot Act; the attempts to get around FISA Courts and spy on Americans; tribunals, secret evidence, and the death of habeas corpus; FCC censorship; the Real ID Act; and the Patriot Act. We've supported improved whistleblower protections, greater government transparency, 9/11 accountability, closing the Drug Czar's office, and ending the war on medical marijuana users. And we've done all of this with groups who weren't the least bit conservative.

Thanks again,

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Jim Babka  wrote: > > > > > Sure. What's our next step? > >  > > > Jim Babka, President > Downsize DC Foundation > & DownsizeDC.org, Inc. > Host... The Downsize DC Conference Call > Big Government costs you, inconveniences you, and occasionally hurts people you love. But it routinely injures a neighbor, damages your industry, and destroys your community -- it even kills people. We must Downsize DC for harmony and human progress. > > ________________________________

> > From: Wikinewsie: Anonymous101 [mailto:wikinewsie.anonymous101@googlemail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:37 AM > To: PressRoom@DownsizeDC.org > Subject: Interview with Wikinews > > > > >  > > Hi, > > > I am from online news site Wikinews, which receives approximately 100,000 visits per day. I am contacting you to ask if I could interview Jim Babka by email. This would be an excellent opportunity to promote Downsize DC, if the interview takes place, it will be featured on the Main Page of Wikinews. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > >. > >  > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM"

Evidence to back up claims
Claim - The organization claims to have arranged for 22,158 people to send a message regarding the "American Freedom Agenda Act" proposed by Ron Paul,he organization claims to have arranged for 22,158 people to send a message regarding the "American Freedom Agenda Act" proposed by Ron Paul,"

Evidence - I received the figure of 22, 158 in the official email newsletter of Downsize DC.

Claim - Many people consider organizations like yours to be ultra conservative.

Evidenc - When ever I have heard this like talk shows discussing organizations like Downsize DC several people phone in with the clear opinion that organizations like Downsize DC are ultra conservative organizations.

Typo
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There is a typo in the answer: "it's own", so [sic] should be added. Van der Hoorn (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|16px]] Done — Gopher65talk 21:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:Former Iraqi police commander was working with insurgents

Ahh, The Corruption
Why am I not surprised by this? Nationalism has got to be the stupidest idea ever. Sure it makes sense without a method of universal global communication such as the internet. Its all about collectives now. Rekov - (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Erroneous Reporting
I understand the obligation to post all of the documents released via the "wiki leaks" probe. I however have direct access and knowledge to this particular article and can verify/refute the veracity of this reporting.

I am currently a Libertarian; formerly a United States MOS 35F previously known as 96B (All Source Intelligence Analyst). At the time of the (individual whom this particular articles focus) last months of Gen. Qais' life I was embedded with him. I can be contacted in regards to my professional responsibilities, relationship and analysis of the political/bureaucratic dynamics surrounding the life and assassination of Gen. Qais and his cousin Col Salaam.

I feel obligated to voice my knowledge of the man and the situation being reported here. I feel that if wikipedia is going to engage in the journalistic ethics of reporting what they have and letting the reader determine the veracity, then ethically they are obligated to contact me, someone with direct knowledge.

As an Intelligence Analyst I cannot divulge on the record classified information. I will not divulge any information detrimental to national security, i.e. jeopardize the safety of American citizens/identify means and/or capabilities and method of intelligence collection or assets. As an intelligence analyst I know exactly where the line is and will willingly cooperate with any line of questioning via these strict guidelines. I have signed a non-disclosure agreement good until 2074. That agreement came with my clearance.

In order for whomever it may concern to verify my placement I will provide the following. Proof I was in theater from Nov 2005 through the time of Gen. Qais assassination, this includes the assassination of his cousin Col Salaam of Hillah Swat. I have original documentation outlining my role in diplomatic relations with the General and other elements of the Iraqi Security and political entities. Photographs of my presence with the General in his office, then his home, at the graduation of cadets at the Al Hillah Police academy and can help locate archived video footage of my presence with the General at press conferences, releases and Provincial Security talks.

I am a victim of my convictions. I believe Gen Qais specifically will one day be revered as one of the fore fathers of the nation that will hopefully rise from the ashes and dust it resides in today. Gen Qais was assassinated by means of a sophisticated Improvised Explosive Device only one entity at the time of his death was capable of producing. That entity is associated with the very element from which this report claims he received fraudulent moneys.

For detailed information supporting these claims contact me directly. I will provide DD-214 form 4, end of tour awards, photographs and videos supporting my claims. Gnostichostage - (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Two things must be pointed out.
 * Unless you are claiming there was no such Wikileaks release, your claim of inaccurate reporting is false. There is all the difference in the world between saying something happened, and saying someone else said something happened.  This distinction is at the heart of neutral news reporting, and this article got it right.
 * If you are claiming the information relased by Wikileaks was inaccurate, nothing you have actually said here gives us any reason to believe that, since the things you've said could equally well be said by any random prankster on the internet.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 13:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

False information
I was a team leader of a US Tactical Human Intelligence Team attached to a combat arms BN in Babil Province, Iraq from March 06 to July 07. I have no doubt that wikileaks obtained an intelligence report stating what is in this article. But I believe the intelligence report was raw, unverified intelligence from a source whose motive was to assassinate the character of this Iraqi provincial police chief. I have firsthand knowledge that he and Hillah SWAT were the only reliable fighters against Jaysh al Mahdi, the insurgent group, in the province. American Special Forces were directly embedded with his SWAT team, and knew the General very well. I and the BN commander of the BN my team was attached to, have worked extensively with Gen Qais and the Hillah SWAT commander and his men. We had shared insurgent targets. He was the only reliable ally amongst the Iraqi police in the province. He survived numerous assassination attempts by the insurgents. His efforts against Jaysh al Mahdi were constantly stymied by the provincial governor, who was a member of the Badr Corp (organization). I know intimately the members of the Jaysh al Mahdi special group who repeatedly targeted him and eventually successfully assassinated him. They were my targets for 16 months. His hatred for, and willingness to go after, the insurgency was common knowledge on the street. Every American commander who worked with him at the time will attest to the truthfulness and accuracy of my statements. For those outside the intelligence community, please realize that not all intelligence reporting has been validated. It can simply be a raw account of what someone who has come in off the street has said. US Army intelligence reports have a reliability index rating, assigned by the writer of the report. A high reliability rating means that the source has been operationally tested, and the intelligence has been independently corroborated by other sources. What's interesting about this Wikileaks article from a leaked intelligence summary, is that I personally wrote several classified intelligence reports documenting operations which mentioned this police chief. I'm curious why WikiLeaks didn't cross reference mention of this police general to produce a validated WikiLeaks report. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alsultani2006 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


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UEFA Cup: April 3rd, 2008

April 3, 2008

First legs of the UEFA Cup quarter finals were played out on Thursday. Germany is the only country with two clubs remaining in the competition with Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich both playing at home to Zenit St. Petersburg and Getafe respectively. Dutch Eredivisie leaders PSV Eindhoven traveled to Italy to take on Fiorentina, while Scotland's Rangers F.C. welcomed Sporting Lisbon of Portugal to Ibrox Stadium.

Bayer 04 Leverkusen 1 - 4 Zenit St Petersburg
Zenit St. Petersburg took a huge step towards the UEFA Cup semi-finals by thrashing Bayer Leverkusen 4-1 at the BayArena Stadium in Germany. Russia international Andrei Arshavin scored the opener for Zenit in the 20th minute when he picked up a loose pass by Tranquillo Barnetta, dribbled past the Bayer defence, and drilled the ball into the top of the net. Bayer equalized in the 34th minute through Stefan Kiessling. Vratislav Gresko ran to the by-line and crossed into the box where Bernd Schneider headed the ball towards the net. Roman Shirokov cleared the ball off the line, but only to the feet of Kiessling who shot the ball into the bottom left corner of the net. The visitors grabbed the lead back in the 53rd minute through Pavel Pogrebniak when he connected with a cross by Arshavin. Alexander Anyukov added another for the visitors with a right footed shot from outside the box, and Igor Denisov capped off the scoring in the 64th after a swift counter-attack.

Bayern Munich 1 - 1 Getafe
Bundesliga leaders Bayern Munich welcomed Getafe of Spain to the Allianz Arena. The home side scored first through Luca Toni when he headed home a cross by Bastian Schweinsteiger in the 26th minute. Getafe looked to hit back quickly, and would have if it were not for Philip Lahm clearing an effort from Mario off the line. Both teams squandered a number of opportunities in the second half including shots by Toni and Ribery for Bayern, and Casquero for Getafe. Manu then had a fantastic chance to equalize when keeper Oliver Kahn made an error, but he only manage to head the ball against the post. With the final whistle looming, Contra lobbed the ball over a charging Kahn for the crucial away goal. Getafe now have the advantage going into next weeks replay in Spain.

Fiorentina 1 - 1 PSV Eindhoven
Fiorentina and PSV played out to a 1-1 draw in Italy on Thursday. Both goals came in the second half with Adrian Mutu opening the scoring for the home side. Giampaolo Pazzini flicked a long ball into the area and keeper Heurelho Gomes reached out to punch the ball away. Instead it hit off Mutu and back into his own net. PSV's tying goal came only 6 minutes later through Danny Koevermans. Ibrahim Afellay passed him the ball from the left and the Dutch striker netted into the top corner. The outcome of the series is now up in the air after this indecisive finish, but the Dutch side does have a slight advantage thanks to their away goal.

Rangers 0 - 0 Sporting Lisbon
Sporting traveled to Scotland to take on the only British team remaining in the competition. Rangers enjoyed the majority of the possession in the match but created few clear cut chances, the best of which coming from Lee McCulloch. Sporting's best chances came on the counterattack, the best of which coming from Grimi. His storming 70 yard run looked promising but his shot was saved by Allan McGregor. Both teams pushed for a winner nearing the end, but it would end all square after 90 minutes.

Second legs to be played Thursday, April 10

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Comments:Vandalism on online epilepsy forum triggers convulsions

Refer to the comments on the Slashdot link to this article for more information as to whether or not this was perpetrated by the "same" Anonymous which is fighting against the legitimacy of the Church of Scientology. link

Hackers didn't do this, you moron. Vandals did it. Can someone please rename this article?. This is just too dumb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.141.231 (talk) 00:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Agreed. This is really stupid and sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.207.11 (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I concur as well. The term hacker is a complete mislabel in this circumstance. "hacker" doesn't even technically have a negative denotation. If anything, the appropriate word is cracker. Rekov - (talk) 02:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Calling them hackers is plain stupid.

These are not hackers. When you upload an image to a forum, it is not 'hacking'. This is hooliganism at best. This is almost as bad as when ABC news called them "Church of Anonymous" or how about fox's "Internet Hate Machine" like come on, is there any real journalism left?

Read the dictionary, that is what anonymous is. its a bunch of people who don't want their names known. This covers pretty much every positive and negative group you can think of. Placing every single person who calls himself anonymous into the category of 'hacker' or 'cyber terrorist' or anything, is pathetic.

unfortunately everyone wants to cash in on the latest internet phenomenon, so here we all are bashing it, joining it, crying about it... and nobody even seems to know what the hell it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.41.245 (talk) 05:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the first attack on epilepsy forums. The giefers at 7chan did it last November too. The NSE forums have been attacked numerous times over the last few years too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.146.162 (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It was Scifags, not Anon. Anon's alignment is Chaotic Neutral; we do not attack innocents. Zadernet - (talk) 02:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This was caused by Scientology, scientology was trying to blame this on anonymous, it has been confirmed on many of anonymous websites —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.97.97.106 (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

More 'Blaming Anon' Criticisms
Anon isn't even a formal group, doesn't have a formal roster, doesn't have a code of anything. How could you blame an attack on them? Fephisto - (talk) 14:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is like saying the democratic party is responsible for an attack if a democrat makes a bomb threat. Well, maybe a smaller party, like the green party, but the metaphor still stands. (talk) 14:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Why is the Pokemon epsiode mentioned here? That happened ages ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.167.59 (talk) 14:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


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California offers rebates for alternative fuel vehicles

April 3, 2008

California, the most populous state in the United States, is offering rebates of up to US$5000 to residents who purchase alternative fuel vehicles. $1.62 million in rebates are scheduled to be granted statewide by California Center for Sustainable Energy, an independent nonprofit organization based in San Diego.

Owners of Vectrix electric motorcycles may qualify for up to $1,500 and Global Electric Motorcars owners may receive $950 and $1,300. The largest rebates will go to owners of full-sized zero-emission cars, which have not yet been approved by the state. Compressed-gas vehicles also qualify, but the agency has already awarded its budgeted allotment for this type of vehicle.

The eligible period for purchases and leases is May 24, 2007 to March 31, 2009. Applications will be accepted on a first come, first served basis. A complete list of qualifying vehicles can be seen at the California Center for Sustainable Energy's website.

The program is part of $25 million authorized in 2007 by California Assembly Bill 1811 to promote alternative fuel infrastructure and vehicles. According to the California Air Resources Board, about 25,000 dedicated alternative fuel vehicles are in use in California.


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Was this external link used as a source? If so, it should be moved to the sources section - and if not, it should be removed. Generally Wikinews articles don't have these subsections. Cirt - (talk) 00:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The website is cited in the article text itself, so I moved it to the Sources section. Cirt - (talk) 01:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that's all right. A press release used for the article referenced it. Durova - (talk) 03:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:California offers rebates for alternative fuel vehicles

I'm smiling 71.236.21.115 04:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I rather stick to my Hummer :D jk but i would rather walk then drive one of thous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.16.129 (talk) 13:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Laurent Robert joins Toronto FC

April 3, 2008

Toronto FC signed midfielder Laurent Robert after Derby County freed him of his contractual obligations. details of the contract were not released per team and league policy.

Laurent Robert has been capped by France and have been with number of Europe's biggest clubs in England, Portugal, and his native France.

Laurent Robert is no stranger to Toronto FC head coach John Carver. He played for Carver while he was with Newcastle United.

Robert will be available the game on Saturday against D.C. United, pending the completion of his International Transfer Certificate.

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Talk:Two arrests after murder in Bristol, United Kingdom

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I asked a local resident about the crime via telephone. Thats where I got the reports of a heavy police presence from. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 19:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Did the witness ask not to be named? Witness sound more credible when they can be named. --SVTCobra 15:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * They are not a witness of the murder, they were in the area after the murder and, yes, they did ask not to be named. However, based on reports from the local media I have no reason to doubt this claim. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 16:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to make clear that the OR source did not see the murder or anything linked. What they saw was a few hours after the murder --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 16:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I did not intend to imply any such thing. They witnessed the police presence, is all. The article contains an eye-witness account, thus I refer to the person as a witness. If it were otherwise I'd probably say murder-witness, but I digress. All I wanted to say is that it sounds better if we could say, "John Doe, a long-time resident of Anytown, told Wikinews that there was a high police presence around the murder-scene" (and I don't mean to suggest using aliases, mere illustrating how it would read). --SVTCobra 16:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I didnt mean to misinterpret the comment. My mistake. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 16:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


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Australian Defence Department funds controversial development training

April 3, 2008

Australia's spent thousands of dollars on controversial development seminars, Australian media reported Wednesday. The seminars are run by a San Francisco, California-based training company called. The company evolved from "est", and has faced criticism regarding its techniques and its use of unpaid labor.

Australia's Defence Minister said that the government is in the process of reviewing Defence Department expenditures on career development. "We're in the process now of doing an audit, completely unrelated with anything to do with Landmark, which is being undertaken into learning and development to make sure that they meet our needs. ... We have to be very sure that the courses that people do undertake are relevant, appropriate and indeed in line with what community expectations might be," said Snowdon in an appearance on ABC Radio.

The Australian and Australia's ABC News reported that Landmark Education had been listed in France as a "possible " in the mid 1990s. When asked about this on ABC Radio, a spokeswoman for the company in the United States, Deborah Beroset, responded: "What happened in France was that a commission established by the French parliament issued a report in which they listed almost 200 organisations as being possible cults ... We were never contacted. We were inappropriately included in that list".

In a program which aired Wednesday, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio program  reported that Australia's Defence Department spent at least 12,270 of taxpayer funds to send government employees to Landmark Education courses. According to AM, the Defence Department said it does not appear that further funds have been sent to Landmark Education since 2004.

In a statement released by the Defence Department, the government stated: "A search of Defence records does not indicate exactly how many individuals attended courses with this training provider, however it is believed it was a small number of individuals. ... Defence has been unable to determine individual reasons for why groups within Defence choose this training provider."

AM also reported that the use of unpaid labor by Landmark Education "has attracted the attention of the US and French governments," and that some individuals in the mental health field have accused the company of. When asked about the allegations by mental health experts that Landmark Education's techniques amounted to brainwashing, Deborah Beroset responded: "Well, there is absolutely no credence to that whatsoever."

In a March 9 article in the , Peter Rolfe reported that taxpayer money was used to send at least 37 police and government staff from Victoria, Australia to seminars run by Landmark Education. Police and Emergency Services Minister said that "Decisions on the appropriateness of staff attending courses by Landmark Education are made by individual managers who remain best-placed to assess the development needs of their staff," but State Liberal MP  told the Herald Sun that the funds should have been put towards fighting crime. Apple Inc.,, and have sent employees to Landmark Education seminars, according to a spokeswoman for Landmark.

In October 2006, Landmark Education took legal action against Google, YouTube, the, and a website owner in Queensland, Australia in attempts to remove criticism of its products from the Internet. The company sought a subpoena under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in an attempt to discover the identity of an anonymous critic who uploaded a 2004 French documentary of the Landmark Forum to the Internet. "" (Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus) was produced by, a French news program. The Electronic Frontier Foundation represented the anonymous critic and the Internet Archive, and Landmark withdrew its subpoena in November 2006 in exchange for a promise from the anonymous critic not to repost the video.

Landmark Education is descended from, also called "est", which was founded by Werner Erhard. est began in 1971, and Erhard's company repackaged the course as "The Forum" in 1985. Associates of Erhard bought the license to his "technology" and incorporated Landmark Education in California in 1991.


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NATO summit in Bucharest enters second day

April 3, 2008

One of the biggest gatherings of world leaders, the 20th annual NATO summit which began on Wednesday continued today in Bucharest.

NATO leaders begin negotiations in earnest over Afghanistan Thursday, after the opening day of their summit in Bucharest saw a successful French offer of more troops, but a public disagreement over the alliance's enlargement.

In the morning, the heads of the 26-strong alliance will hold their first formal working session, picking up on the themes of Wednesday's dinner - enlargement, Kosovo and Afghanistan, plus other issues.

The conflict of interests involves a delicate diplomatic brinkmanship between NATO's historic open-door policy and Russia's feeling that the alliances' borders are growing too close for comfort.

At the Bucharest summit, Albania and Croatia too will begin the formal process of their membership. NATO's backing of a United States missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic has been harshly condemned by Vladimir Putin, who will be making his first appearance at this year's summit to express his fears of a new arms race.

The leaders of Albania and Croatia will get their first taste of NATO's highest body, when they sit with their counterparts, alongside Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, in a special session.

The ambitions of Macedonia, the southernmost of the former Yugoslav republics -- have been challenged by neighbour Greece in a dispute over its official name.

Greece refuses to recognise the former Yugoslav republic's name because it is the same as that of the northern Greek province of Macedonia and Athens worries that this could imply a claim on its territory.


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Comments:Bertie Ahern to resign as Irish premier

Meh, politics is politics. Money goes everywhere. I still think that Ireland became a better place and a bigger player on the world stage under Bertie. --TUFKAAP - (talk) 15:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

bertie ahern
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The new Scientology? Fephisto - (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Landmark
The other white meat... err.. cult. --TUFKAAP - (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Two arrests after murder in Bristol, United Kingdom

April 4, 2008

A death, which has been treated as murder, in the car park of a pub in Bristol, United Kingdom has resulted in two arrests. The murder, which occurred on Wednesday evening took place near Highridge Road in Bishopsworth, Bristol. A local resident told Wikinews that the police presence surrounding the murder scene was high in the hours after the murder.

The police described the arrests in a press release. It said that "two local men in their early 20s have been arrested in connection with this incident."


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 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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