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United Nations passes Declaration on human cloning

March 10, 2005

A divided UN General Assembly has voted to approve a nonbinding statement against all forms of.

The vote, held Tuesday, came after four years of debate and an end to attempts for an international ban.

In the 191-nation assembly, there were 84 votes in favor of a nonbinding statement, 34 against and 37 abstentions.

Proposed by Honduras, the statement was largely supported by countries and opposed by countries with active embryonic stem cell research programs. Many Islamic nations abstained.

The , as it is named, calls for all member states to adopt a ban on human cloning, which it says is "incompatible with human dignity and the protection of human life."

The, which has long pushed for a complete ban, voted in favor of the statement while traditional ally , where is legal and regulated, voted against it.

The statement should have no impact on countries that allow therapeutic cloning, such as Britain and South Korea, as it is not legally binding.

"The foes of therapeutic cloning are trying to portray this as a victory for their ideology," Bernard Siegel, a attorney who lobbies to defend therapeutic cloning, said in a  report. "But this confusing declaration is an effort to mask their failure last November to impose a treaty on the world banning therapeutic cloning."

Breakdown of the vote
Of the 191 countries eligible to vote:

In favor
84 countries voted in favor of the declaration against cloning:

Afghanistan, Albania, Andorra, Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belize, Benin, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei Darussalam, Burundi, Chile, Comoros, Costa Rica, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Germany, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lesotho, Liberia, Liechtenstein, Madagascar, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritius, Mexico, Federated States of Micronesia, Monaco, Morocco, Nicaragua, Palau, Panama, Paraguay, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Sudan, Suriname, Switzerland, Tajikistan, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Timor-Leste, Trinidad and Tobago, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Uzbekistan, Zambia.

Against
34 countries voted against the declaration:

Belarus, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Canada, China, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People`s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Iceland, India, Jamaica, Japan, Lao People's Democratic Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Republic of Korea, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, Tonga, United Kingdom.

37 countries abstained from voting on the declaration against cloning:

Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Barbados, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Mongolia, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Serbia and Montenegro, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

36 countries were absent from and during the vote on the declaration against cloning:

Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Bhutan, Botswana, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Dominica, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Malawi, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Nauru, Niger, Nigeria, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Russian Federation, Senegal, Seychelles, Swaziland, Togo, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam.


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Dispute and move
I would like to complain over the changes made by some of the Wikinewsies here, the Helsingin Sanomat is a well respected newspaper with levels of editorship to rival The Times and Die Welt. Please note in Finland there is a limited amount of English-language press with only the Helsingin Sanomat International Edition and YLE News in English the only sources available.159753 21:41, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * The changes made were to reflect the source, Helsingin Sanomat. As there is no evidence of a "row", the article was moved a more representative title and the text modified to represent that. Also, the article reports about images, not a video - though there is a link to a non-existent video of a previous related incident. It also reports the images may be a prank or hoax.
 * Do not remove dispute tags until the dispute is resolved. - Amgine 22:24, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Conscription inf Finland
"Finland has a policy of neutrality, with a requirement of conscription for all men between the ages of 18-30 for 90 days."

No, it is at least 180 days. Other choices are 270 and 362 days.

"Community Service" is 395 days and "service without guns" 330 days. There may also be other exceptions.

Suorce: http://www.mil.fi/perustietoa/julkaisut/varusmies_05_englanti/ennen_pavelusta/kutsunnat.html


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Six-year development framework for Sudan released by UN

March 11, 2005

The Joint Assessment Mission between the World Bank and the United Nations released on March 9, 2005, a plan for the development of Sudan over the six years remaining between January's peace agreement and the vote in 2011, in which southern Sudan will decide whether to break away from the north. The plan, titled "Framework for Sustained Peace, Development and Poverty Eradication in Sudan," describes two phases, the first through 2007, the second through mid-2008. The first phase will focus on emergencies and the repatriation of refugees, while the second will consist of "major infrastructural programs", according to the Sudan Tribune.

While the majority of the $7.8 billion needed for the development described in the plan will come from sources within the country, the plan asks for $2.66 billion from other countries. According to Reuters, the UN's Joint National Transition Team will hold a conference to ask for money in Norway in April.


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Talk:Flat tax boosts average Romanian salaries

This is not necessarily a cause-and-effect relationship and the article is POV. Please review. Andrew pmk 05:14, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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Crosswords/2005/March/12

March 12, 2005

Quick crossword
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Answers next week.

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Talk:Millions found by Irish police in raids

Wikinews seems to be following the general media approach by announcing that, quote, 'speculation is mounting' on the involvement of Sinn Fein in the recent Belfast Bank robbery without mentioning who the speculation is coming from? Could it be from the DUP, the PSNI, or Fianna Fail in Dublin perhaps, all of whom have much to gain by discrediting Sinn Fein in the public's and US eyes?
 * Unfortunately due to our relatively small size at the moment, we often just re-write the main news stories by drawing on the articles of several media organisations. Hopefully in the future, as we grow, we will be able to break news with our own original reporting. Anyways this story is a bit dated at this stage - it is now common knowledge that the IRA committed the robbery. CGorman 19:54, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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China launches its first private airline

March 11, 2005 China's first private airline Okay Airlines (奥凯航空 Aòkǎi Hángkōng) took off on its maiden flight today from Tianjin (200km north of Beijing) to Changsha (in Hunan province, central China) to Kunming (in Yunnan province).

The airline tried to start last Saturday, but it had problems with the paperwork from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC). The price of a ticket was CNY 1,180 (US$ 143), but customers for the first flight got a 40% discount.

According to China Daily, three more private airlines will exist: Shanghai-based Spring International Airlines, Chengdu-based Eagle Airlines, and Gansu province-based Huaxia Airlines.


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BBC's political show makes special edition from Shanghai

March 11, 2005

The BBC's political debate show Question Time aired a special edition from Shanghai yesterday. This was the first time that a political show from the West was made in China. The show was broadcast on BBC One and BBC World; however, it wasn't shown in China, as a condition of the programme amid fears that it would be inflammatory and present negative views of the government.

The panel contained the Chinese politician Liu Jianchao,who is the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman and Long Yongtu who is General Secretary for the Boao Forum for Asia, together with Chris Patten, the last Governor of Hong Kong, Isobel Hilton, a writer who has a large knowledge of China & David Tang, fashion designer.

The audience contained a mixture of Chinese and Westerners together with people invited by the government. The questions concerned, among other things, the next chief-executive of Hong Kong, China's attitudes toward Taiwan, whether China has growing problems concerning spoilt children, the growing human rights question, and whether China will economically overtake America in 20 years time.

Many members of the audience liked the show and hoped a similar show will be broadcast in China, in a few years time. The program, which was part of a week-long BBC focus on China, was hailed as a sign that China was becoming more liberal and accommodating to Western media presence and involvement in China.


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Many infertile American women want sex selection

March 11, 2005 Many infertile American women would choose the sex of their next child if given the option.

A survey of 561 women being treated for infertility has found that 41% would use sex selection if it were offered at no cost.

Contradicting fears that such sex selection would cause gender imbalance, the survey found that women with no children would choose baby girls and boys in approximately equal numbers.

Furthermore, women with only daughters wanted to select a male child while women with only sons wanted to select a female child.

"Sex selection is a topic that's almost taboo for physicians to talk about," says study lead author Tarun Jain of the University of Illinois at Chicago. "Prior to this study, there has been no data to indicate what the demand might be."

Of 561 survey respondents, 229 would want to select the sex of their future child.

Among these, 45% had no children and 48% had children of all the same sex.

Half would choose to select the sex of their next child even if they had to bear the cost.

About 55% would choose sperm separation, 41% would choose preimplantation genetic diagnosis and 4% would choose neither.

Sex selection is controversial. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists opposes it for nonmedical reasons and so does the International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics.

The American Society of Reproductive Medicine supports it for nonmedical reasons for family gender balancing provided methods used are safe and effective.

"As the techniques gain more popularity, physicians will have to decide if they will offer the procedure to patients with and without children," says Jain.

The research is reported in the journal Fertility and Sterility.


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Do this: (RealMedia file) -- Ross Koepke Talk 05:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I made a stupid mistake and thought you were editing ((source)) and didn't realize it was ((source.rc)). You're doing fine. Sorry. -- Ross Koepke Talk 05:41, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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Judge threatened Michael Jackson with jail

March 11, 2005

An angry Judge Rodney S. Melville threatened to issue a bench warrant for the arrest of world famous pop singer Michael Jackson if he failed to appear at the Santa Barbara County Superior Court in California Thursday Jan. 10, 2005. Jackson is under indictment there on seven counts of lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14, and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent. Jackson, held briefly under the threat of jail by authorities on Nov. 20, 2003 when charges brought against him were formalized, gained his freedom later that day by posting a $3 million bail.

Judge Melville, apparently frustrated with Jackson who had in two earlier instances caused delays in his court room, issued the warrant just 5 minutes after noting the singer’s conspicuous absence at the scheduled 8:30 a.m. proceedings. Jackson's defense lawyer, Tom Mersereau Jr., advised the judge that Jackson awoke earlier that morning with severe back pain and was under treatment at an area hospital at the time. The judge moved to give the celebrity one hour to appear or face arrest for contempt of court.

As word of the warrant threat traveled to the large news presence gathered outside, a media countdown began. During the countdown, live televised reports recounted how Jackson had arrived for court 20 minutes late on his own arraignment for these charges, only to be met by a stern lecture from Judge Melville for that transgression. There was also another occasion where Jackson, while recovering from flu symptoms, delayed the trial's jury selection for a week until he was well enough to return. The glaringly clear message sent by the judge was: bad back or not, Jackson was to appear in court! And fast! Only the televised scene of Jackson's expectant defense lawyer Mersereau with his assistant Susan Yu, both busy on cells phones while tensely waiting curbside beside the court house for the Jackson motorcade, seemed to undermine a feeling that Jackson would make it in time to avoid having his bail revoked.

As the deadline came and passed without Jackson’s arrival, live reports were busy with speculation on the superstar persona of Michael Jackson then taking on newer aspects of super-bizarre. But Jackson’s flair for tardiness showed itself with an arrival that was a mere 3 minutes after the judge was being forced to make good on his threat. Dressed in a blue blazer over a light weight undershirt, the star's recent departure from the hospital was evident by the pajama bottom pants and open-heeled bedroom slippers he wore into the court room.

Jackson had the assistance of his father and a body guard at each side to keep him steady as he gingerly walked into the Santa Maria court house. He listed slightly to the right and kept a fixed, distant face that was surrounded by uncombed strands of his long hair. The summons issued by the judge forced Jackson from his hospital bed to show the world he was not above the law.

In private chambers, Judge Melville met with both the prosecution lawyer, Tom Sneddon, and Jackson’s defense lawyer to verify the defendant’s claims of back pain. After re-taking the bench in the court room, the judge announced to the jury they would proceed with the docket as planned. Mr. Jackson narrowly escaped prison, and the trial would continue where it left off on the previous day with direct testimony from the now 15 year old boy who accuses him.


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Welcome to wikinews Ludraman - my notice on the Irish wikipedians notice board paid off! Heres the default welcome:

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Ludraman. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Ludraman~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:81.174.154.30

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UK "terror bill" passed after standoff

March 11, 2005 After an unprecedented thirty hour debate in the United Kingdom between the elected government and the main opposition party, the Conservatives, the Prevention of Terrorism Bill was passed by the House of Lords.

Despite the new legislation being passed, the Conservative leader Michael Howard claimed victory, as the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, made a last minute compromise on several details of the bill.

The lengthy debate was the third longest in the history of the House of Lords. The new bill will replace the current Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001

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 * War on terrorism

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US may not have known of Sgrena rescue operation

March 11, 2005 The Italian dailies La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera are reporting that US forces may not have been informed of the operation to rescue kidnapped Italian journalist, Giuliana Sgrena, in which the intelligence agent Nicola Calipari was killed by US troops.

The Italian government disputes this account, and has said that the US was fully aware of the operation on March 4.

La Repubblica is reporting that US forces were aware of Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari's presence, but not the specific details of his mission.

Speaking in the La Repubblica newspaper, General Mario Marioli assisted those involved in the operation in Baghdad, by obtaining a special badge for them from coalition forces upon their arrival.

However, as the deputy commander of the coalition forces in Iraq, Marioli reported that he was unaware of Calipari's purpose in Iraq, so he could not tell coalition troops on the ground the details of the Italian mission.

According to La Repubblica, Marioli reported that he "had no contact with US intelligence officers" prior to the shooting.


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Meath/Kildare by-election turnout between 20-30%

March 12, 2005 Early turnout for the two by-elections in Ireland today was between 20% and 30%.

The two elections in the Meath and Kildare North constituencies are taking place to elect two new TD's to the Dail after the two former representatives; John Bruton and Charlie McCreevy, took up posts in the EU.

A large number of votes was expected in the last hour of voting, as commuters returned home from Dublin. Polling started at 9am and ended at 10pm.

The votes will be counted beginning at 9am in Naas and Navan.


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Defendant shoots Judge, three others at Atlanta courthouse

March 11, 2005

A defendant on trial for rape in Atlanta, Georgia reportedly stole a deputy sheriff's handgun and used it to shoot the judge, court reporter, and two deputies Friday morning. Three people were killed and one was wounded.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Rowland W. Barnes has been confirmed dead along with the court reporter and one of the deputies. After the shootings, the suspect reportedly attempted to carjack several cars in a bid to escape. He attempted to carjack a green Honda Accord with license plate 6584-YN, from a newspaper reporter, but eventually fled by other means. The reporter in question, Don O'Briant from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, was beaten by the suspect but was fortunate to receive only cuts to his face and a broken face from a fall.

The car was listed as being used by the suspect in public alerts across the area before it was realised that the car was in fact still in the garage of the courthouse.

The suspect has been identified as Brian Nichols, 34, who was facing a retrial for rape and kidnapping after the first trial ended with a hung jury. Police are desperately searching for Nichols, as he is considered armed and dangerous.

The suspect reportedly stole the handgun by overpowering a deputy sheriff while he was being taken into the courtroom by the deputy, said Assistant Police Chief Alan Dreher. He then shot and critically wounded the female deputy, went to the courtroom where his trial was due to take place, and held about a dozen people at bay there before killing the judge and court reporter. He later shot and killed another deputy outside.

The deputy from whom Nichols stole the handgun is now sedated and in critical condition after surgery and has a bruise in her brain, according to Jeffrey Salomone, an attending trauma surgeon at Grady Memorial Hospital. Although she was shot in the head, the bullet did not penetrate her skull, said Salomone.


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Garry Kasparov retires from professional chess

March 12, 2005 "Chess is life in miniature. Chess is battles, chess is struggles." said the longtime world champion Garry Kasparov at the height of his career. In a surprise announcement Friday, the grandmaster said he will retire. He went public with his intentions from, Spain after winning a prestigious tournament there. The news comes as Kasparov, now 41, declared an ambition to devote his energy into the politics of his native Russia.

Alternately known as brash, emotional and brilliant, the maverick Kasparov could be a formidable opponent in the realm of politics. He will partner with the Russian group known as the Committee 2008 (Komitet 2008), whose members are attempting to influence the 2008 Russian election that will replace Putin. The champion said he also wants to write books, with chess being among the subjects, but he will not play any more at the professional level.

Always mercurial in defeat, Kasparov lost his final game in tournament play in a stunning upset by of Bulgaria. The upset did not take away his victory at the tournament, but his announcement came after being bitterly stung in defeat.

At age 22, Kasparov became the youngest person ever to hold the title of world champion when he won it from fellow Russian, Anatoly Karpov, in 1985. The two players dominated the field until infighting in 1993 caused Kasparov to break away from the (FIDE) and form the  (PCA). In this forum he defeated British challenger. For a period of time, Kasparov, of the PCA, and Karpov, who reclaimed the top spot of the FIDE, both claimed to be world champions. However, the ratings system developed by FIDE held that Kasparov was the stronger player. The PCA eventually fell apart in 1995. In 1996, Kasparov was at the top of his game, when a team led by IBM introduced, the strongest of a new class of chess playing computers. In a highly publicized face-off of man vs. machine, Kasparov won the 6 game match. A year later, against an enhanced version of Deep Blue, he lost. He blamed the loss on a variety of factors, including fatigue against his tireless opponent.

While the machine found a new place in the chess world, and while a new generation of chess players favored , where the fast pace of play does not allow for deep calculation, Kasparov turned his attention to taking on the world. The Kasparov vs. the World online chess game in June 1999 brought together chess players from around the world in a cooperative effort to beat the reigning world champion. With more than 50,000 individuals submitting move votes, Kasparov vs. the World was one of the largest interactive gaming events in history. Kasparov won this match.


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Atlas V rocket launches with Inmarsat satellite

March 11, 2005

A built  V launch vehicle, successfully launched from,  at 21:42  (4:42 p.m. ). It placed the Inmarsat 4 F-1 communications satellite into orbit. This was Lockheed-Martin's second try to launch the satellite. Yesterday's attempt ended in a scrub when the flight control computer passed a red-line with less than three minutes remaining in the countdown.

This was the fifth launch of the Atlas V vehicle, and the first launch where the rocket used three of the first stage, Aerojet built, solid rocket motors. It also had the narrower 4 meter payload fairing.

For the first part of the flight, the rocket was powered by a common booster core with two RD-180 rocket engines plus three solid rocket motors. When their fuel was expended the solid rocket motors burned out and were jettisoned.

The common booster core then continued pushing the payload and upper stage, with its two RD-180 engines producing 806,000lbf of thrust. The common booster core expended its fuel around four and a half minutes into the flight. At this point the first stage common booster core separated from the upper stage and payload.

After the stage separation, the Centaur upper stage started its engine and burned for nearly ten minutes. During this burn, the payload fairing separated from the spacecraft, leaving the satellite exposed on the nose of the rocket in the vacuum of space. When the ten minute burn was up, the Centaur coasted with the satellite for another ten minutes waiting to get to the optimal point for the final burn. At around 24 minutes into the flight, the final burn of the Centaur stage occurred, placing the spacecraft in a super-synchronous transfer orbit. After this burn was complete, the Centaur separated, leaving the spacecraft on its own.

Now the spacecraft must attempt to open its solar arrays and place itself in the final. Because of this special type of orbit, where the spacecraft goes around once every 24 hours, the satellite will appear to sit in one place over the equator. From this location, Inmarsat will use it to provide BGAN (Broadband Global Area Network) which is a 3G compatible, 432kbit/s data service, to much of the world.

The Atlas vehicle was rolled out of its vertical integration facility 1800 feet from the launch pad early yesterday morning (before the first launch attempt). The reason for this launch day move is because of the clean pad concept.

Past American rockets (with the exception of the Saturns and Space Shuttles) have always been assembled on the launch pad. In the case of a delay in launching, this would cause delays in all the rockets that needed to be launched after the one that experienced the delay. With the new clean pad concept, rockets can be assembled and checked out before being moved to the pad, saving delays in the schedule.

The launch tower and rocket move out to the pad along a set of railroad tracks, making the 1800 foot journey in approximately half an hour, topping out around two miles per hour.

Because of the clean pad concept, none of the launch control electronics or spacecraft environmental systems are on the pad. Instead, they are run along the railroad tracks with the rocket as it moves to the pad on launch day. When they get there, they slide into concrete enclosures so that they are not destroyed during the rocket launch.


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Talk:US may not have known of Sgrena rescue operation

MAIN PAGE READY? you've GOT to be kidding.

There are cartoon captions with more words and meat than this "article".

This blog like comment definately qualifies as "patent nonsense"; and is full of POV and uncorroborated insinuations. "It has been reported" "may not have been informed"

The grammar is unreadable..."obtaining them a special badge" It looks more like a 10 second effort at a blog comment than a news article. Delete. Paulrevere2005 21:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I disagree that the article should be deleted. I've read quite a few comic strips in my time, and this article doesn't read like a comic to me.

 * I just read the sources cited by the article, and it appears that we have enough info to fix the "it is reported" and "may not have been informed" objections, so I will attempt to address your concerns now.

 * — DV 07:21, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I attributed the anonymous reporting claims, expanded the article with a bit more info, moved the Italian government's objection further up in the article, and added another source (an Associated Press piece).

 * Do these edits improve the article beyond "cartoon caption" status? — DV 07:35, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * The article is OK now, as far as I'm concerned. Paulrevere2005 13:42, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for following up.

 * Wikinews gains more credibility when contributors revise articles to respond to constructive criticism. The capability to revise and correct stories is one of Wikinews' greatest strengths.

 * Please don't let anyone discourage you from offering more feedback about the quality of Wikinews' articles. — DV 13:53, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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User talk:Davodd/archive 3

Please hit the add comment tab at the top of this page to leave me a message. -- Davodd | Talk ARCHIVE 1 | ARCHIVE 2

Wikinews Trophy
For all your edits (1500+) and particularly for welcoming so many people to wikinews through the welcommittee greeting. Thanks. CGorman 21:00, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Blush! -- Davodd | Talk 06:42, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You deserve it! CGorman 11:15, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews writing contest launched
Dear Davodd,

thanks for registering for the Wikinews writing contest! It now begins officially. Every day, I will try to make a tally of who has and who has not managed to fulfill their story/day requirements. If you do, however, believe I am missing something, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best of luck in the contest!--Eloquence 06:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article Presentation Advice
Thank you for it. I will be trying to implement the suggestions.Also, thanks so much for the work on Texas baby unplugged. It is much less pov now and still has the data. Paulrevere2005 19:31, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
There's a speedy which could be taken care of... also, see Category:Speedy deletion which may have one or two more (haven't looked.) - Amgine 21:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Got it. I must have "unwatched" the Speedy Delete page. -- Davodd | Talk 21:27, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, I just added that one a couple minutes b4. Was very surprised he posted that in the main namespace. - Amgine 21:34, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Killer beds
I thought about Wackynews, but it didn't seem right given the fatalities. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. — DV 23:57, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

howdy
hey, how did you edit your sig so that you have "davodd | talk"? It looks funky The bellman 13:35, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks ~ The bellman | Smile 02:18, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Waterman
Kind of surprised that Amgine never got around to protecting that one.

Are older articles still being protected to keep a stable archive?

Just curious.

— DV 08:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Say Hi to you
I corrected some content of the "Taiwan Demonstration" yesterday. Today I create a new account, and say hi to you. Thanks for your greeting. I am from zh.wikipedia.--Theodoranian 16:58, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I have been on wikipedia for a while, tho with only occasional edits. I was trying to be just a little humorous with my post (in the bit about the marketing person). Tell me if you believe it to be not appropriate. thanx. RayKiddy 00:07, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

NPOVing...
Could you keep an eye on Template:Second lead and China and Taiwan react to "326" rally? I don't know what User:Ran is doing, and I'm really distracted or I'd follow up myself... - Amgine 20:17, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tsunami (or lack of)
Davodd, there are no tsunamis in the Indian Ocean. The quake occured at 1610z; as the PTWC point out, if nothing had been observed by three hours later, nothing was going to happen. Please do not add to hysteria by publishing incorrect information. Dan100 (Talk) 21:17, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact that thousands of people are evacuating despite the reassurances is news. Please to not blank out valid reporting in the future - it is borderline vandalism. -- Davodd | Talk 21:25, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * So why did you immeadiately remove my content, which is exactly what you just accused me of doing?! The headline of the article was "tsunami fears rise...", not about the mass evacuations. I would have changed the headline too but for some reason the move tab wasn't appearing on that story. Dan100 (Talk) 12:24, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Redirect to Wikipedia talk page
Many thanks - that will be very useful! Grutness 00:01, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In part it came from ...
Massmedia and modern journalism, an old textbook. - Amgine 05:33, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * That's only for articles with bylines from a specific and named reporter. For wire-type collaborative stories, a dateline simply tells where the event happened. -- Davodd | Talk 05:41, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Please refrain from calling anyone a Nazi. That is not the wiki way. Dan100 (Talk) 12:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It was not meant as a personal attack - but a (failed) reference to behavior reminesent of Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi." -- Davodd | Talk 14:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image click link / image redirects
Hi Davodd,

I wrote up some notes in response to your request for "image click link" or what I call "image redirects", over on the technical section of the water cooler.

I really enjoy adding images to Wikinews, so image redirects are the single most important feature I would like to see on Wikinews. I'm glad to see other contributors asking for this feature. I would also like to use it for some nice typography and background graphics for the subject and region links, if we eventually start breaking up the "Latest news" section into sub-sections, like they use on CNN. (I think someone proposed this general idea somewhere already, but I can't find the link at the moment.)

By the way, that scrolling box on your user page made it much easier to navigate the contents. I might steal that for my rather lengthy user page.

Cheers,

— DV 17:04, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: I promise not to invoke Godwin's law on you. :)
 * 1. ROTFL at the P.S.
 * 2. It would be intuitive to make a story thumbnail image directly link to its accompanying story - or category. I don't know how many times a week I click on the image instead of the link.
 * 3. I believe the subject headers proposal you mentioned is here: Water_cooler
 * -- Davodd | Talk 17:26, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Slow down, Davodd!
It was a tester, showing it to their boss. You're quick this morning! coffee? - Amgine
 * See? that shows how totally unconscious I am still... I hadn't even thought about the possibility of April Fools.  Thanks for all the hard work; you've been doing fantabulous the past couple days. If you get a chance, can we chat sometime before the weekend? I'll be in IRC much of today. - Amgine 18:35, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah - it's probably temporary - I'm on Spring Break from law studies. Next week when classes resume, I'll be up to my a$$ in aligators again. and less active on WN ;-) -- Davodd | Talk
 *  Ah, the care-free life of the scholar... not. I do have questions, though, about an upcoming event I'm going to be attending about journalism/ists. So, if you have time before the end of the week... - 24.86.201.239 18:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

And on another note: South America has been turned into a test platform (again), using the dynamic page listing extension. Feed back?
 * Maybe I'm missing something, but I am not sure what to look for here. -- Davodd | Talk 22:11, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The lists of articles are being created by the dynamicpagelist tag. They are the most currently edited articles in both the categories Category:South America and their topic region. The only thing which would need manual updating is the Major News box. - Amgine 22:27, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention, if this extension remains, we could add Category:Published to articles we think are ready to be published, and then we'll be done with updating everything for the main page. In theory, at least. - Amgine 22:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh. maybe I should READ your messages .. LOL. OK you (and Ilya?) win the hero award for that one! -- Davodd | Talk 22:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism alert
User:213.224.186.120 just vandalised the source template (check it's history). I believe a 24hr ban could be in order... Dan100 (Talk) 09:16, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Support. Banning for highly destructive vandalism is better than protecting the template. I left some additional reasons for considering this approach as feedback to the proposal to protect this template. — DV 10:37, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Google hits
You seem to just go to google and search for wikinews. This is the wrong way to do it as it includes our own namespace. Please follow the link provided to get the correct search. Todays count should only be 100,000, not the 119,000 or so you would get. → CGorman (Talk)  20:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope. I excluded the appropriate sites. I think when you check, you'll see that the results fluctuate from hour to hour. -- Davodd | Talk 20:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well if you think its correct I won't alter it... 19,000 seems to be a big gap though! I'll leave the task of updating the google hits to you. I just wanted to check before I go off and do another chart. Just for your own interest, you may have noticed that we grew our article count by about 44.5% this month. I did a little bit of work in Excel and found that this is what would happen if we keep growing at this rate:

 * March - 354 articles - 44.5% growth
 * April - 512 articles - 44.5% growth
 * May - 739 articles - 44.5% growth
 * June - 1068 articles - 44.5% growth
 * July - 1543 articles - 44.5% growth
 * August - 2230 articles - 44.5% growth
 * September - 3222 articles - 44.5% growth
 * November - 4657 articles - 44.5% growth
 * December - 6730 articles - 44.5% growth

Its a bright future is'nt it! More realistic figures below:

 * March - 354 articles - 44.49% growth
 * April - 499 articles - 41% growth
 * May - 684 articles - 37% growth
 * June - 862 articles - 26% growth
 * July - 1009 articles - 17% growth
 * August - 1149 articles - 14% growth
 * September - 1299 articles - 13% growth
 * November - 1454 articles - 12% growth
 * December - 1585 articles - 9% growth

Still not bad though! Thats 51 a day by december! → CGorman (Talk)  20:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I put a note on CGorman's talk page about why you guys might be seeing different results for Google searches Dan100 (Talk) 22:17, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

April Fools
It was an error perhaps to leave that redlink so long... World prepares for April Fools Day pranks has become a "go to wikipedia" advertisement. - Amgine 22:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Source
Thanks for the source on submit a story. → CGorman (Talk)  20:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pope
NB: Im giving this message to the 10 or so people I suspect may be on Wikinews when the event occurs.

I've created a story announcing the Popes death - when the Vatican or BBC/Reuters announce he is actually dead please insert the date & time and publish - we will be the 1st news group to break this story (besides our source)! The story is located here User:CGorman/Sandbox. Whilst waiting please improve the story. → CGorman (Talk)  22:39, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation
Seeing how well preparations have gone for the Pope story, i've created Story preparation. Instead of users preparing stories on their own computers and saving them on their own hard drives, they can place them here to allow other writers to add to them before the event. This will help eliminate duel coverage of the same story - Teeks99 had spent some time yesterday evening writing a Pope story - but did'nt load it onto wikinews resulting in his version being made redundent. Hopefully by allowing users to collaborate on a story from an earlier date, our article quality will be dramatically improved. → CGorman (Talk)  15:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Hey, Thanks for the welcome to the site. I have been contributing to wikipedia for a little bit and thought I would try my hand at wikinews as well. So thanks for the warm welcome, I plan on contributing more in the future. --Jake 20:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Don't throw around "Copyvio" if you don't understand copyright.
Title 17 of U.S. Code defines copyright protection in the US.

Section 102(a) generally lays out the protection:

 * Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression ...

Before I go any further, lets take a quick look at "fixed", shall we. As defined in section 101:

 * A work is "fixed" in a tangible medium of expression when its embodiment in a copy or phonorecord, by or under the authority of the author, is sufficiently permanent or stable to permit it to be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated for a period of more than transitory duration. A work consisting of sounds, images, or both, that are being transmitted, is "fixed" for purposes of this title if a fixation of the work is being made simultaneously with its transmission.

So, why is this important, say, in the context of congressional testimony?

Well, who is the "author" of testimony? That would be the speaker, right? If the washington post makes a transcript of what the speaker says, under normal circumstances can a reasonable person be lead to believe it was done "under the authority" of the speaker? What about CSPAN's recording -- is that "under the authority"?

No. Not even basic copyright protection attaches to testimony.

And, as if that wasn't enough for you, section 105 states:

 * Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government ...

Now you may not have known the precise legal basis for why congressional testimony is not copyright protected, but you either (1) had a gut feeling that it wasn't protected, or (2) had an incorrect belief that it was protected.

If it was (1), the you are simply dishonest for bringing it up. After I challenged you here http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Memo_shows_Gen._Sanchez_perjured_himself_to_Senate, you knew you were wrong, but you persisted because your ego got in the way.

If it was (2), then you really shouldn't flag someone's work for "copyvio" because you don't have a clue. Let someone who has a better understanding of copyright make those calls. If someone challenges you, then apologize and explain you just thought someone who actually knows the law should look at it. How egotistical is it to stick to your guns when you know you don't have a clue?

So, which was it? Did your ego make you knowingly assert falsehoods, or did your ego make you pretend that you knew what you are talking about?

Pencil Pusher 19:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I just saw on your user page that you are a law student. Well, I guess that answers the question of (1) or (2).  You knew damn well that congressional testimony isn't copyrightable.  Pencil Pusher 19:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I withdraw my previous comments (you can delete above if appropriate). Pencil Pusher 03:08, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * In the spirit of Etiquette, I will disregard your personal attacks as things said in the heat of the moment that you (hopefully) regret.
 * To avoid such misunderstanings in the future, when you are using Congressional testimony, be sure to cite it as the source in the first paragraph of each new speaker. It was unclear in the article where the quotes were coming from. No where did it say that the quotes used in the article by Mssrs. Sanchez and Reed were, indeed from the testimony (it may have been implied, but it was unclear). How is the reader to know they were not from interviews with other reporters - the work of other writers? Our job as journalists includes not relying upon the reader to do our work for us via guesswork or gruntwork to track down the sources of quotes we use.
 * Finally, let me turn to the writing style (plese review WN:SG). Perhaps we all should try to look at our stories through the eyes of someone who is unfamiliar with the situation. If the writing was confusing to me, a professional journalist for almost 20 years, there is a good chance it was confusing for others. Imagine being from the United Kingdom and you have family or friends in Iraq and stumble across the article. Sure, you may be interested in the story. But, are left to your own devices to figure out the following:
 * What does ACLU mean?
 * What does "DR-I" in "Jack Reed (D-RI)" mean?
 * What is Snachez a "Lt. Gen." of? Army? Navy?
 * Our international audience may not get what you mean when you use too much American-specific jargon. -- Davodd | Talk 00:48, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bay Bridge
So, just to save a little money they took shortcuts on the welds. Who needs terrorists when our own contractors are making sure stuff falls down all by itself?

I hope they get to the bottom of this before the whole thing falls down on some boater out on the bay. I won't be driving on that bridge anytime soon.

Thanks for the story. — DV 07:39, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah - the joys of the living la vida South Bay - no need for a bridge commute unless you're going to Napa. ;-) -- Davodd | Talk 07:42, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Something you might be interested in being aware of...
I've been trying to get a better rede regarding fair use, etc., on Wikinews from the wikimedia foundation and commons, and have submitted a question to the newly-formed juriwiki-l mailing list. In doing some research on this, I found the new legal page as well, and realized this might be something you'd like to know of. - Amgine 18:40, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Didn't you have an experimental category regarding film? - Amgine 05:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Responding up here, I hope you figure it out.

 * I remember the concept about multiple movie reviews. We actually did produce a movie review which was neutral enough to pass muster on Wikinews, I will try to find for you. The concept of movie (or game, or theatre, or music) reviews is really removed from the question of editorials, imo. Still, I'm not sure if there is much likelihood of it gaining acceptance at the moment despite nearly identical writing occurring in the sports articles with regularity.

 * I believe the reason I asked this question was a small collection of different film/movie-related categories, which I was attempting to merge. There's also, apparently, both an "Athletics" and a "Sports" category, which overlap. I haven't gotten to either issue, obviously. - Amgine/talk 00:05, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Categories
This message is being given to several people, so please forgive the formality.

I've created a list of categories that must be included in ALL articles to ensure the DPL system works correctly. Adding the revlevent categories from this list will ensure complete site-wide relevent article listing. It is located at User:CGorman/Categories and you can easily cut & paste out of it. I urge frequent writers to bookmark this page to help save themselves time with categorization. Thanks for your attention. → CGorman (Talk)  19:37, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Simeon's changes
As you have probably noticed, Simeon is intent on competely re-writing almost all the Wikinews namespace articles. I object to this on a number of fronts: there's no consensus for such changes, the pages have existed as they were for a long time which I believe is a sign the community accepts them as they are; the existing pages have all been carefully written and constructed by several editors to be the best they can be; and Simeon's changes are to make them grossly longer and harder to read. And I must be honest - a couple of the pages were written by me. I obviously don't mind people altering them, but I do object to them being destroyed. Dan100 (Talk) 08:34, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Letter to the editor
Last Fridays edition of The Economist magazine had a major story about the future of journalism, intrigingly it mentioned wikipedia.org in very favourably terms but did not mention us. This provides an excellent chance to write a letter to the editor about Wikinews. I am asking a few people to do this before thursday afternoon (5/6pm) in the belief that if they receive several letters about wikinews, they will publish at least one. I have already sent a letter (email). The Economist sells on average 1 million copies a week - thats a lot of readers, so this is worth our while.

To do:

 * Read the article (or at least the relevent part) at: Click here
 * Write a short email in the form:
 * Sir -
 * (your text),
 * (Your name)
 * (your town and country)
 * (space)
 * (Your postal address)

 * Send it to letters@economist.com
 * Delete this message.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, this is just a request, not a demand, don't feel underpressure. (p.s. don't quote our article count, as i've already done that and it would look suspicious if they received several similier emails on the same day). → CGorman (Talk)  21:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

URGENT! Your attention and input is needed regarding a crucial issue facing wikinews.
Please go to the water cooler policy discussion at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy#creating_.2F_deleting_dispute_flag_templates

Please participate in this discussion,regardless of your opinion. Paulrevere2005 12:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

wheredja' go ??
just missin' ya. Paulrevere2005 20:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Studying law - things should lighten up in about a month for me... -- Davodd | Talk 05:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Exams over yet? - Amgine/talk 02:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As I recall, I did say that was way, way more than I would ever consider taking... but then, I'm lazy! I hope you are rested and relaxed, ready for a summer of reading, and editing, and writing... - Amgine/talk 02:21, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back, Davodd. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:20, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

whu?
I've not blocked anyone - ? Dan100 (Talk) 4 July 2005 11:43 (UTC)
 *  -- NGerda July 4, 2005 11:46 (UTC)

Category:LGBT
Do you think we can come up with a bit more descriptive name than Category:LGBT, such as Category:Gay and lesbian? -- NGerda
 * Hello - when adding a category to a talk page for discussion - be sure to add a colon after the first set of brackets like: Category:LGBT so it will print as "Category:LGBT" instead of just listing the talk page in the category. As for a more descriptive name - you probably know that LGBT news includes bisexuals, the transgendered and intersex folk - who are neither gay nor lesbian clinically or in self identification. We would have to have a category that read something like: Category:Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex - which is way too long. From much discussion in the other Wikimedia Foundation projects, the wiki category acronym "LGBT" has become the usual project consensus as a workable, less-controversial compromise. -- Davodd | Talk 5 July 2005 00:51 (UTC)

Thanks for creating an LGBT section on Wikinews. I am very interested in creating more stories for this category as well as others. As for the title, I have seen and given the issue much thought and agree "LGBT" is best - and it is the most popular according to search numbers on Google and Yahoo!. I don't believe we need to keep adding to the current title and feel it is inclusive of all communities. A discussion can be found on Wikipedia w:Talk:LGBT - Tdempsey 5 July 2005 06:16 (UTC)

An invitation...
I appear to be completely brain-dead, and failed to invite you to join a petition for another English edition of Wikinews. You'll have to pardon my error... lots of stuff happening very quickly.

Anyway, if you have an interest, I would be very pleased if you would join in on the petition. - m:User:Amgine/ m:User talk:Amgine

Anti-local?
Hello Davodd,

on Meta, you wrote:

 * Under the current en.wn system - it would be unthinkable for a mom from Peoria simply to write an article about her local city council meeting - without being attacked as being irrelevant and/or too Americentric. (Although I would prefer a rise-up of the little people to overthrow the current en.wn anti-localism cabal that has entrenched itself as de facto annointers of what is - and is not - news and systematically attempt to force out admins and other users they either dislike or who refuse to adopt the approved, clique-like party line.)

I'd like to know where these beliefs come from. I was under the impression that Wikinews today very much welcomed, indeed glorified, local original reporting. Stories like 109th Boston marathon takes place and Mothers, teachers air more concerns about leukemia cases at California elementary school have been written and are considered by many to be examples of what Wikinews should be doing. Is there any specific story that has been unfairly rejected? What do you think is going wrong? I am honestly puzzled by this comment, but perhaps I have not been paying close enough attention.--Eloquence 6 July 2005 03:26 (UTC)

 * I shamelessy decried Pingswept's story on the opening of a Boston sandwich shop when my own story on a Trivial Pusuit game at that time was labeled 'not news'. I know there was a distinction between the publishability of the two stories, but I think that somehow digresses from the true point. -Edbrown05 6 July 2005 03:51 (UTC)

 * The fact that we have to defend non-international stories at all is a shame. -- Davodd | Talk 6 July 2005 21:52 (UTC)

Davodd, more empirical data would be helpful to get an accurate view of the problem you perceive. Edbrown05 admitted to tagging a local story with Notnews, but I haven't seen this done to any other stories recently. For example, yesterday we published Three killed in Tennessee vehicle crash. I'm strongly in favor of local stories, and if anything like this is happening, then we should more clearly state in our policies that we want such stories. We also need people like you to step up when this happens. Even if the problem exists, a separate project may well have exactly the same problems unless it is ruled by fiat by someone who agrees with you.

We've also been discussing yesterday the possibility of making highly local news portals, similar to what sites like backfence.com are doing. The idea is that something like Portal:Dyer, Tennessee could be created, with some information about the location, and a customized "create an article" box as in Writing an article, but automatically putting the story in the right location category.

Finally, stories are deleted regularly as copyright violations, irrideemably POV, and similar. This has nothing to do with an anti-local attitude, but simply with maintaining a standard of quality and neutrality.

As it is, you are supporting a separate project, operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, coexisting with Wikinews, which would cause total confusion to readers, writers and Wikimedians alike, drain resources, and make all of Wikinews look like a farce. I strongly urge you to reconsider that support. Instead, I would like to invite you to participate in Wikinews/Future Talk, an open chat where we can discuss this and other topics.--Eloquence 7 July 2005 07:30 (UTC)

 * I read the first sentence of the Eloquence comments and stopped, being compelled to reply. I never placed a tag on a story. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 07:48 (UTC)

 * Apologies, I understood your above comment to mean that you had tagged Pingswept's stories with "Notnews" after your story was labeled the same way.--Eloquence 7 July 2005 07:58 (UTC)

 * No apology necessary, only clarifying. I don't see the point of another wikinews project either. What's broken? I know I run my mouth too much. So does my neighbor next door. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 08:01 (UTC)

 * The software isn't broken. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 08:09 (UTC)
 * So it must be a people thing. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 08:12 (UTC)
 * Half an answer to that is 99% the cure. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 08:16 (UTC)
 * There is no answer to that. -Edbrown05 7 July 2005 08:23 (UTC)
 * I cannot make the chat. But I posted issues on the Wikinews/Future Talk talk page. As for empirical evidence, unlike some other folk here, I don't make a habit of keeping evidence handy to lob at others as weapons. But I guess this weekend if I have the time, I can go through article histories and find a few dozen examples of anti-localism for you. -- Davodd | Talk 7 July 2005 08:49 (UTC)
 * I'll keep the running list here: User:Davodd/List of Anti-localism on Wikinews -- Davodd | Talk 7 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)

newest Hurricane Dennis story
You published Dozens left dead in Caribbean after hurricane moves toward U.S.. Do you think another story besides that one should be written as it moves up the gulf? Or should the story cited above be more developed? -Edbrown05 9 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)
 * Yes. I fear that this important non-U.S. Caribbean local story will be marginalized in the main article. -- Davodd | Talk 9 July 2005 19:18 (UTC)

Indymedia Image
Thank you very much for clarifying the copyright status of the Indymedia image. Best regards, NGerda 07:21, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * A Wikimedia board member has expressed opposition to your Noncommercial image template. Many administrators are upset at your unilateral modifications to our Fair use policy.  Please discuss this at Wikinews Future talk.  -- NGerda 19:10, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia board members have to follow the same rules as everyone else. They are not individual dictators, so they also must discuss and justify their actions to the community - or individual users. If an issue is not clear in current WN policy, then it should be discussed before decisions to ban certain types of content are made. As for the policy - it is a "proposed policy" that invites WN individaul members to make changes and mods to it. We are in beta, afterall. ;-) -- Davodd | Talk 19:32, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikinews uses a 'whitelist' approach to images. We can only use image the board has aproved. Only publicity, logos, and screnshots are curently allowed by the board --Cspurrier 19:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If this is true, then it needs to be clarified very clearly in our policy pages so that we know this for sure. I have seen such policies that apply to WIkipedia and Wikisource. I do not understand the reasoning for applying this rule - which is meant for a different type of wiki concept altogether. Unlike wikipedia, which is not time sensitive, it is not really possible for us recreate non-commercial images of a news event - unless we have a wikitime machine no one has told me about. :-) It is my understanding that traditional wiki content rules sat that if something is not specifically banned, then it is allowable. -- Davodd | Talk 19:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * From the fair use page "Any use not covered by this whitelist is not allowed. If you feel that the whitelist should be expanded, please comment on the discussion page." --Cspurrier 19:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a major legal difference between a fair use image and a non-commercial image. For fair use - no consent is given for Wikinews to use the image by the copyright holder, we are in essence justifying our stealing of it. FAir use is a legally dubious - and precarious place for the foundation. For CC:By, non-commercial, Wikinews, being a non-commercial operation, *is* given consent to use the image, we are not stealing the image from the copyright holder since we have permission to use it, copy it and distribute it. A non-commercial-only image is not a fair use image, therefore there is no need to expand the fair use policy since we already have consent to use the photo. The problem exists when a commercial enterprise wants to syndicate our content. THEN, the image is not allowed by that commercial syndicator, hence the tag that says the image non-commercial. -- Davodd | Talk 19:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

About the image use...
The board really did say we aren't supposed to host anything except Fair Use images, and it was pulling teeth to get even that. I know it's kind of weird that we should fit the criteria for those images, yet not be allowed to host them. I just don't know how else it could be read, unless we can talk to the board about adding non-fair use images.

As for the non-competitive; in order to fall under the Fair use the use must be transformative or non-competitive. Using a news image on a news site is not going to qualify as either. - Amgine/talk 05:41, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * 1. Oops, forgot about that...

 * 2. Well, you were the wedge that opened the door! but we did lose out on the "other fair use" front. We aren't supposed to have anything hosted which might restrict its downstream use, other than the fair use.

 * The logic supporting this came from the Legal team, and I didn't quite understand it at the time, and will have a hard time trying to defend it, but I guess it goes something like "you have a special case for fair use, but everything else has to follow WMF goals". And that means using Commons. - Amgine/talk 06:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * That is bizarre - since fair use is basically stealing, where as CC:NC is not. Makes me very dubious about WMF goals. -- Davodd | Talk
 * Davodd, please bring this up to the Wikimedia folks at #Wikimedia. Thanks!  -- NGerda 07:08, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't use IRC since it messes with my firewall. Anyway, I'm not hiding anywhere and each of the board members has my personal email address - and my talk pages so they know where to find me if they want to talk to me. ;-) -- Davodd | Talk 08:13, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I think there was a strong dose of "let's not have Wikinews cutting into the purview of Commons" involved in the decision, plus the argument of liability if Wikinews is still under the PD licensure and at the same time hosting not-free images. Since all images are supposed to have one of three fair-use image tags, and only those image tags, the legal team felt the there was little possible misinterpretation. - Amgine/talk 00:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

California meetup
Hi Davodd,

I'll be in Mountain View for a few days. Perhaps a chance to meet up? I've also invited DV and have set up a page at Meetup/California.--Eloquence 01:02, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Missing pictures
Two images in San Francisco anti-G8 rally turns violent have only captions left, it looks like because of copyright problems? Do you know if these or alternate images can be obtained on a free-license basis? If not, shouldn't we delete the floating captions that look so odd? Or put in a "Image not available due to copyright issues" disclaimer? Right now, it just looks to the casual reader like something is malfunctioning or poorly assembled. -- Beland 03:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

James Doohan, 'Trek' actor dead at 85
Hey! Thanks for merging the two Doohan articles. I took a look at the developing stories section but somehow I didn't see that you already started an article about it. Sorry for that. --Deprifry 17:13, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hey there
Been meaning to sign up here for a while. Finally got around to it. This is just too useful to not be involved. - Texture 18:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Link on Kevin's talk page
You've linked to Administrators, which doesn't seem to exist. Is that the link you meant? Dan100 (Talk) 16:16, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Execution of two gay teens in Iran spurs controversy
Hi, you have been quickly with removing the images. Do you think we should be concerned about the copyrights of the fascist regime in Iran? Could you please also read my comment on the discussion page of this article. Do you think there is a way to keep these images? Thank you. --131.130.124.71 11:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews
Just a small comment:

Nothing on Wikinews has been approved by the board other than adding file upload. Nor has it any need to approve it directly. The community has been empowered to develop its own goals, methods, and processes. It is doing so, through the innovation of its contributors.

Wikinews does not cover all the news. Instead, it covers what interests its contributors. That means the coverage is inherently POV, entirely and totally. But the stories themselves attempt to maintain an NPOV approach to their article writing. And the whole project is Beta.

The same is true of Audio Wikinews.

There are no "Proposed Projects" on Wikinews. There are projects of contributors. Some are large ones, like Audio Wikinews, worked on by people who care about it. Others are smaller, like Country of the Week. The smallest ones are individual articles. To declare, arbitrarily, that any one of these is "Proposed" in an obviously pejorative manner is itself POV. It also implies you have the right to make that judgement.

I'm sure you have some idea of how I feel about things, since I am not actively involved in the community because I feel some individuals have decided they personally are the judges of where and how the project is going without discussing it with the community. But to be utterly clear: I feel you are creating roadblocks by "tagging" anything you are not actively involved in as a "Project".

- Amgine/talk 03:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Template: Audio
There is already a template for Audio Wikinews (see ). --Mrmiscellanious 19:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Template:Audio is for a different purpose... (more on his talk page) -- Davodd | Talk 23:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I forgot to strike that out when I saw the addition to Audio Wikinews :) --Mrmiscellanious 02:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Hi Davodd, can you explain the page move to 'EU judicial review'. it may be that it does indeed make it clearer but equally maybe the story as it has been written isn't clear. The review was brought in the light of the European Human Rights Law, but they have been incorporated into British law and the case was at the UK high court, indeed it will become an EU review if they do take it to the court at Strasbourg. I didn't want to change it before discussing it. Thanks ClareWhite 08:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * PS I hope you'll add more to Local proposal (if indeed that is where it is now) if you have the time and help get it up to scratch! particularly i'd be interested in what you think at policy level - should a local story be as fully sourced, NPOVd etc as a 'main' story or can we be more relaxed on local pages? That may be the sort of thing that could cause problems if it's implemented without being fully discussed.

Thank you
Thanks a ton Davodd. This trophy means a ton to me. It really does. User:RossKoepke/Awards -- 05:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Clarification
Could you explain the rationale of http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Audio_guide&diff=0&oldid=116078 to me? I'm not quite sure whats going on there. -- 20:02, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Blocking users
Can I ask you really really nicely to take more care checking diffs before blocking users? This morning you blocked the guy rv'ing the spammer, and not the actually spammer himself! He came into the IRC channel and we sorted it out, so no harm done. Dan100 (Talk) 08:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Developing Icon
You are replacing this image: with this one:  - which is a much more confusing graphic. Can we please discuss this? -- NGerda 08:51, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * answer on his talk page. -- Davodd | Talk 09:10, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

60th VJ Day
Thanks for removing the anti-US stuff. I was just about the replace it when you did :-) Take care! SoLando 21:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just realised you only removed the photo, sorry :-D SoLando 22:17, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, pictures say 1K words.. I got that first. -- Davodd | Talk 23:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Abuse of Admin Powers
you did it again! Kevin Baastalk 23:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You are going to have to be more specific and less vague. If I made a mistake, I can;t fix it because I have no idea what you are talking about. -- Davodd | Talk 01:34, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * ya, i got to work too, so when i find something good, i'll get back to it, but if someone else takes a grab at it, that's what wikis are for. if it is sitting there too long, that's what "abandoned articles" are for, and i'd have no problem if you listed it on there. At the same time, i'd have no problem if someone (besides you) listed it for speedy deletion, and hence you deleted it. howvere, lacking an article sitting as an abandoned article for a reasonable duration, or it being listed on speedy deletion, there is no justification.  And btw, this is a story like the downing street memo, in that we can sit on it for a month and it will still be "breaking news" when it's published.  thanks to the liberal media. Kevin Baastalk 04:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * How about I do what you suggested, except I do it in a shared workspace, such that everyone can help write the article? Otherwise, i'd have to go around leaving notes on everyone's user talk pages about where the article is, and everyone else would have to do the same.  I think the same could be accomplished if we had some sort of central category for these things, oh wait, we do! Kevin Baastalk 00:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Purty. I take it you just made that.  It's on there.  I left a msg on the talk page of some election fraud experts on wikipedia, they might come over and work on it. Kevin Baastalk 00:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Why were you deleting content from Wikinews?
Hello. With this edit: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Fiddle_Legend_Vassar_Clements_dead_at_77&diff=124828&oldid=124804 You removed a big chunk of a Wikinews story without explanation as to why the content was deleted. Another editor has reverted this deletion since it appeared unwarranted. -- Davodd | Talk 21:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe I did explain it in the comment. The part that was news (his death) was left in the news article.  The part that was NOT news (his life story) was moved into a Wikipedia entry and a link was added under his name.  This way all that info will still be available after the news story fades.  It is also important to avoid redundant entries under Wikinews and the Wikipedia, as this would require each change take place in two places. StuRat 21:34, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

'Evergreen'
There's no reason why "non-time dependent" stories can't sit in developing stories along with everything else. I also can't understand the point of the "evergreen" thing - if such a story isn't "ready to be developed by the community", then what's it doing on the wiki? Dan100 (Talk) 17:17, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes there is - they will will be nominated for deletion and/or speedy delted. -- Davodd | Talk 21:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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