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Sydney Opera House listed on World Heritage List

June 28, 2007

The World Heritage Committee of the United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organisation has today announced in Christchurch, New Zealand that the Sydney Opera House has been added to the World Heritage List of culturally significant sites.

It is the third time that a bid has been made to include the Opera House in the list, after failing to receive enough votes in 1981 and 1996. Roni Amelan, UNESCO spokesman said the decision to list the Opera House was unanimous.

"There was consensus that it was a truly outstanding, iconic building that was a defining moment in 20 century architecture," said Mr Amelan.

The committee described the Opera House as daring and influential. "It is a daring and visionary experiment that has had an enduring influence on the emergent architecture of the late 20th-century," claimed the committee. "The building is a great artistic monument and an icon."

The Sydney Opera House becomes the youngest building to be listed on the register, being built in October 1973. It joins other landmarks such as the Taj Mahal, Statue of Liberty and the Egyptian Pyramids. The Opera House becomes only the second Australian building on the list, joining the Melbourne Royal Exhibition Building and Carlton Gardens, which were added in 2004.

As a result of the listing, a 2.5 kilometre buffer will be enforced around the Opera House to protect views to and from the building. If the World Heritage values of the site are breached, the site can be placed on an endangered list and removed from the register.

Australian Prime Minister, John Howard said the Opera House is treasured throughout the world. "The Opera House, and its setting at Bennelong Point on Sydney Harbour, is an iconic and treasured place, not just for Australians but also internationally," he said.

An excited NSW Premier, Morris Iemma informed state parliament of the UNESCO's decision.

Jorn Utzon, the architect of the Opera House gave a statement from his home in Denmark expressing the honour of having one of his buildings listed on the register.

"World Heritage listing gives the building ... a completely new value," Mr Utzon said. "It is a gift to the city of Sydney." Mr Utzon said it was the vision of those who worked on the construction of the Opera House for it to be Sydney's greatest landmark.

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Wikinews Shorts: June 28, 2007

New pictures from Mars
The space probe Mars Express has provided new pictures - with ground resolution of approximately 13 metres per pixel - of the Aeolis Mensae region.

This Martian area is currently subject of discussion for unexplained features. According some theories, the shaping of the surface could be result also of aeolian, wind-erosion, glacial or other activities.

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Testing the theory of relativity on the existence of gravitational waves
The European laser interferometer (VIRGO) is going to test the Albert Einstein's theory on the existence of gravitational waves.

The VIRGO teams cooperates with the LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory) in the US, and GEO 600 (German-UK Gravitation Wave Detector).

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CNN discontinues Pipeline service; will provide live video free
CNN has shut down its CNN Pipeline service, just as it said it would in a May 25, 2007 announcement. The pay-service, which allowed news from the channel to be viewed online, will be offered at no charge to online viewers beginning July 2, 2007.

The service is currently closed, and is under construction so that the free service can be completed. Archive news videos are still available.

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User talk:Kfcrek

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User talk:71.175.143.83

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Pope to lift restrictions on Latin Mass

June 28, 2007

Pope Benedict XVI has approved a document that would allow greater use of the Tridentine Mass (also known as the Latin Mass).

The Latin Mass was used almost universally by Catholic Churches prior to the Vatican II council in the 1960s which promulgated many different reforms, including options for churches to use vernacular in some parts of the liturgy.

Under the current rules, priests must obtain permission from their local bishop to use Tridentine Mass while the new rules will allow priests to make the decision themselves.

According to Cardinal Darío Castrillón Hoyos, the move towards widening the use of the Tridentine Mass was done in part to help bring back to the main church body various schismatic groups, such as the Society of St. Pius X that reject Vatican II's reforms.

The proposal has met with concern from the liberal end of the Catholic Church who worry that it signals the beginning of a return to pre-Vatican II church policies and theology while Jewish groups have expressed concern over elements of the Tridentine Mass which they see as offensive or possibly worrisome, such as parts which call for the conversion of the Jews.

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User talk:87.206.101.249

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I'm originally from Meta. You can mostly found me there. My Meta userpage is here.

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User talk:Rachaelpedlow

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Hi, this appears to not be a news article. Wikinews is for news. You may want to put a version of this on Wikipedia which is a general encyclopedia. JoshuaZ 16:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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Indonesia shuts down 4 airlines and grounds 5 others over safety concerns

June 28, 2007

Indonesia has shut down four airlines and grounded five others with the potential of similar licence revocations for failing to meet safety standards.

The largest company to lose its licence is Jatayu Gelang Sejahtera. The other companies are all small airlines operating only aircraft with a passenger capacity of fewer than thirty, and are Aviasi Upataraksa, Alfa Trans Dirgantara and Prodexim. The companies that were grounded pending either improvements or licence revokation are Germania Trisila Air, Atlas Delta Setia, Survey Udara Penas, Kura-kura Aviation and SMAC, all of which also operate only aircraft with under-30 passenger capacities. They have three months to improve, or their licences will be revoked.

Jatayu had already ceased operations in August, but had intended to restart with a 150-seat Boeing 737. The licence was revoked because the state requires at least two aircraft to be commercially operated and because of the fact that it "was lacking in pilots and human resources". Also, the age of the jetliner meant that it would require a test called a 'C-Check' before it could begin commercial services, at a cost of $120,000.

The action comes as the result of a number of air crashes, namely the Adam Air Flight 574 disaster in which 102 people were killed, and the Adam Air Flight 172 accident, in which a plane snapped in half during a hard landing, but managed to hold together, thus preventing any serious injuries. As a result, all 54 of Indonesia's airlines were given a safety rating, with a level-1 rating meaning no action was needed, a level-2 rating meaning the airline needed to make some improvements, and a level-3 rating requiring that the airline be shut down unless improvements were made within three months. Most airlines received a level-2 rating, while none received the top rating. Adam Air was among the airlines to receive the level-3 rating, but was upgraded to tier 2 at the same time as the groundings.

Meanwhile, state-owned Garuda Indonesia is now the only airline to have a type-1 rating, despite the fatal crash of Garuda Indonesia Flight 200 in March. According to the Indonesian Transport Ministry's Director General for Aviation Budi Mulyawan Suyitno, Garuda now satisfied 84 percent of civil aviation standards.

The ratings have been based on such criteria as surveillance, ramp checks, personnel, department safety, number of accidents and number of serious incidents, according to the BBC. Meanwhile, Flight Global is reporting that, according to Directorate General of Air Communications (DGAC) director of air certification office, Yurlis Hasibuan “20 criteria including whether the airline has developed [better] safety and human resources” are checked.


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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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User talk:89.57.65.240

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User talk:Oncaazul

Please see Original reporting for help in making your article publishable. --SVTCobra 17:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

A 'clean' alternative to YouTube
Please do not republish. You need to write Original Reporting notes on the collaboration page. Also, the use of inline links to non-Wikimedia Foundation websites are not allowed. --SVTCobra 17:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw your post on the collaboration page. If no one gets around to it before me, I will take a look at it tomorrow. The massive use of inline links is a problem though. But I must go to bed now. The story doesn't seem like breaking news, imo. --SVTCobra 03:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Blackhole77

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Comments:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found

Yeah, seeing as this guy was a vandal, i doubt that were serious, and my guess is that it was just a coincidence. Unless someone changed their ip address to that of a vandal in order to reveal that they knew about nancy's death, but why would they do that. That makes just as much sense...as Chris Benoit killing his wife and child.

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That address resolves to Hicksville, NY, NOT Stamford, CT

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4619/picture1tz9.png
 * It is possible this is a dynamic IP address. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that all Optimum Online IP addresses will show Hicksville, NY. That is the company address. I am an Optimum Online user, and nowhere near Hicksville and I just ran my IP and it came back as Hicksville, as well. Obviously, IP's can be resolved further than the corporate address of the provider, but I do not know how to do that. --SVTCobra 21:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

My big big take...
To the first who posted a comment, please sign your comment...

I would also argue that if it's a coincidence, then go get a lotto ticket. I surely don't think you would make a good investigator, coincidence or not, they will follow this, they have to.

I also confirm that many service providers aren't around the town were the IP is located. Many people will confirm this also. The IP definately is located in Stamford, CT. As for the IP being the source of vandalism on Wikipedia, we can look at the user contributions to Wikipedia made from that IP... many vandalism indeed, but one or two contributions that weren't, possibly showing us that different person used that computer, or that IP.

My belief is that this IP belongs to a place like an internet cafe, some public library, hotel offering the internet, school or a computer network either accessible by the public, or a big company with many many computers shared between the employees.

However, I don't know if the service provider mentionned (Optimum Online) has some sort of privacy rules where they won't give the real physical adress of an IP... and even if it is dynamic, they surely must have a log of all their IPs and were and when it was located...

My big guess would be that Benoit actually informed somebody in Stamford that his wife was dead, and this somebody got online and at one point added the line to Wikipedia... This, for now is the only guess I have, and yes it is far fetched.

However, even if it is my personnal guess, I still find it quite dumb that one of the first things you do is go online and edit Wikipedia instead of calling the authorities... unless that is what Benoit asked you to do... in which case it would follow the pattern of Benoit, sending those text messages with his address, I find those to be that were calls for help, a way of saying: "Please come and help me"

I somehow believe someone (or many) inside WWE has been informed about Nancy's death before the police went to Benoit's house.

I urge the authorities to contact the service provider and have copy of the log of this IP to know were it physically came from at the time of the WP edit.

I think in parallel to that, every computer in internet cafe, school, librairy, etc shoud be IP-checked, and while checking this, they should also take a look at the browser's history. They should also ask about the presence of anyone at those places around the time the edit was made to WP, regardless of the IP at curent time.--Smumdax 04:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a coincidence
My take is that this is not a coincidence. How probable is it that the same user posts about a death and is from Connecticut (where the WWE headquarter's located)? Not 1 in 10,000. 1 in a million would be the chance for it being just a coincidence. --Pratyush

Wow, while fact is sometimes stranger than fiction, I think this just being a coincidence is unlikely. It seems pretty logical to me that Chris Benoit wanted people to know. He seemed to text message numerous people, and possibly emailed others as well. I think it is generally accepted that rumors are simply the fastest method of communication (faster than light?), and so it would come as no surprise to me that someone found out (mixed with possible suspicions) and hoped on wikipedia to be the first to report. MR.R 14:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

A news organization's obligations when reporting about its parent company
Since this conversation was squelched on the page created for collaborative discussion of news production related to this article, and since a Wikimedia Foundation appointee has threatened to further censor my contributions, I am responding on this page to comments made to me or about my contributions elsewhere. First I shall replay to allegations that I did not locate the appropriate page for discussion of this article. Then, because of the threat by someone who insists I adopt his definition of "constructive" to censor my contributions from this registered account, I am logging further comments here on systematic censorship in Wikimedia Foundation projects. These comments will be better entered elsewhere, but I place them here now so they will be attached to this account history before that particular scared administrator or another has a chance to act on his fears. Will Heimerman claim that responding to a news organization's request for opinions about a news product with opinions about a news product is not "constructive" by his dictate? Will he claim that questioning his dictates in the context of opinion about a news organization and its product is not "constructive" according to his dictate?

In re: Bewol's claim that checkuser has no probative value in a law enforcement investigation because Mediawiki programmers created that function for something else --- "The wmf can get its hands on any server records it likes as it owns the servers," Bwol wrote.

Server records might have some value in such an investigation but would still need to be sorted. Checkuser is a software function that lets operators easily review logs of what user edited what article. Server logs would not present this information nearly as readily, and probably not as specifically. I suggested police may use checkuser to establish what other information was contributed from a certain IP, but behind the secrecy of a user name. The server logs only point to where the user has been. They don't log every keystroke a user contributed. Checkuser can tell us what information was contributed from a particular IP behind a user account. Bwol would probably not make a very good detective without a few years on patrol first. If checkuser has probative value for wikipedia admins' investigations, it quite possibly has probabtive value for a murder investigation. Guess what-- exploring investigative possibilities is part of reporting, unless you aren't the most ethical reporter and your company is a subject in the investigation. Bwol's response in no way contributes to the development of a narrative about how information relevant to this situation can be refined, but instead obfuscates information constructed by another contributor as Bwol attempts to use the confusion created by obfuscation to slander or otherwise undermine trust in the contributor.

Then a user who goes by a pen name "Cobra" constructed a fallacious straw horse around my concerns, claiming I had hinted Wikimedia Foundation is not cooperating with authorities, and that I had discussed anyone other than the one person who demonstrated in a writing to Wikipedia apparent knowledge of a murder might be guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact of murder. I said law enforcement approaches this matter with the authority to charge non-cooperating witnesses with obstruction. That is a simple fact. It does not hint anyone is doing anything. The fact is relevant because it establishes that people will cooperate. Of course the in-house promotional news release writers want to focus on the voluntary aspect of some potential witnesses' cooperation.

The choice of how to tailor statements about cooperation with authorities is subjective. The question becomes ‘why are we telling readers about who cooperates in an investigation’? For my purposes, in the contribution I constructed, I recognized a need to advise news readers of the conflict between promises of privacy offered by the Wikimedia Foundation and the necessities of murder investigations or criminal trials that can make public records of information people contributed under an expectation of privacy. That is a legitimate and important aspect of representing this situation in news reports -- if not in the context of the articles already finished on this topic then perhaps in future related articles. If does not become an element of a story, it is still something a responsible editor will want reporters to consider as they continue to explore the subject in days after a story breaks. Especially when the parent company is a subject in the story, an responsible editor wants reporters to consider how policies of the parent company might have affected circumstances reported in the story.

Instead of recognizing my concern, as any credible and attentive reporter might, "cobra" demonstrated no understanding of the structure of my contribution, and instead fabricated false allegations to effect an expression of his reaction to my contribution, misinforming readers about the credibility of a contribution someone else offered in response to the Wikimedia Foundation's request for contributions.

Finally, as promised, I leave here some comments about systematic censorship in Foundation projects. The allegation is often refuted by those who cite the presence of criticisms within wikipedia and wikinews. in this circumstance, I was told that the "collaboration" page related to this article was locked for two reasons: one, that it was being frequently blanked, and two that the collaboration pages are for something other than what I used it for and they are for nothing once an article has been "published".

This is about censorship in general in Wikipedia projects and about "Thunderhead's" reasoning for locking the page. Bwol's second reason falls flat. The pages are routinely used for ongoing discussion related to treatment of a subject after the article about the subject has been published. There is no widely recognized reason for closing such discussion -- it sometimes leads to updates, maybe an occassional correction and sometimes serves socialization purposes. I'm not saying that's what it should be used for, I'm saying that's how they are used by those claiming in this case that is an incorrect use.

"Thunderhead's" reason was that the page is "... not (for) giving "advice" or trying to persuade the user to come out publically (sic)"

Now, Thunderhead did lock the page while restoring “blanking” which is wikipedia’s word for edits left unattended by the MediaWiki software and removed by someone behind an IP contrary to the general wishes of Wikinews users. I say left unattended, because PHP oftware such as mediawiki can be written so that edits could be preserved in ready view but safe from tampering while new comments can still be appended. Wikimedia Foundation has systematically decided not to attend to edits in such a manner and it's volunteer agents often removes discussion of the advantages of revising the software in such a manner. Here we entertain a view of systematic censorship as I explore how discussion has been managed by agents of the news organization (wikinews) to advocate their ideological and practical interests, along with the parallel interests of the foundation and the mob it has gathered. As we are seeing in this dialogue, discussion of how anonymity harms wikipedia is treated as "trollish" (the word has been tossed at me in the few hours I've donated here) instead of as legitimate community concerns to be considered by responsible news reporters. DQuestions about the potentially negative role of anonymity in Wikimedia Foundation projects are discouraged in the Wikinews investigations. Wikinews does not explore potentially negative ramifications of publishing anonymous encylopedia writers, much less the negative social and civil implications of publishing anonymous news writers, as would an outside news organization. "Thunderhead" claimed that a news room is not the appropriate place to encourage sources to identify themselves after they have revealed apparent knowledge of a multiple homicide. Well, Thunderhead probably does not belong in the news business.

Where then, is the systematic censorship in a project laden with gripes, whining and complaints about the project? Much of it is too complex to offer in a single comment. Ideological censorship by administrators who have gained ownership over particular articles masks much of the censorship intended to squelching dialogue that could steer the project away from core principles of keeping author's identities, or from developing regulated communities where topical authority outside Wikipedia translates to editorial authority within a collaborative community. I will not in a single comment leave footnotes of diffs to seal a conviction  on the widely discussed allegations of censorship. Rather, I offer Thunderhead's example here -- when discussion approaches topics that relate to how core ideals conflict with other stated purposes of the project, contributors are often told, as Thunderhead told me, this is not the place to discuss that. While discussion of improvements to the software often originate in the context of article development that leads to systematic changes, when those potential improvements would infringe on core principles, such as almost always leaving all pages open to being edited by anyone, contributors are told such discussion is inappropriate.

The same type of development-oriented discussion that is otherwise frequently conducted in the context of a particular article to explore how a software improvement might improve a particular article is in such instances treated as ignorance of Wikipedia procedure. In this case, the place I posted and which Thunderhead used his Wikimedia Foundation authority to block further discussion was obviously the best place to discuss the role of anonymous editing when an anonymous person uses such an anonymous system to reveal exclusive information about a multiple homicide, though Thunderhead claims on his own authority such consideration was inappropriate newsroom discussion Anonymity was a part of the news story. Open discussion of implications of elements of a story are an essential part of newsroom dialogue. We shall now see just how open the discussion remains at this nexus. Andevere 05:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a comment from someone who was a huge fan of Chris Benoit
I personally think the comment that was posted SHOULD be investigated,and the person who posted it SHOULD be prosecuted.The comment was wrong and hurtful,it was also MALICIOUS,INSENSITIVE,AND COMPLETELY IGNORANT.I as a fan have been very saddened by this tragedy,very disgusted by the comments,and feel a great loss in the wrestling world.Chris was a very tactical,talented,and very professional person and athlete.He was a hero to some,friend to others,and most definitly an icon in the wrestling world as well as the sports world.Whether he was suffering from "roid rage"or whatever he was still a human being and deserves to be treated as one.He may have made a very bad decision that led to an extremely bad thing, but he was still a human.My personal opinion is exactly as follows.The EXTREMELY LOW CLASS AND LOW INTELLIGENCE PERSON THAT POSTED THE COMMENT IN QUESTION SHOULD (1.NEVER BE ALLOWED TO POST ANY COMMENTS ON ANY SITE EVER AGAIN (2.BE THOUROUGHLY INVESTIGATED BY THE F.B.I. AND ANY OTHER JUDICIAL OR LAW ENFORCMENT AGENCY THAT MAY BE ABLE TO TIE THEM IN ANY WAY TO THIS HORRIBLE EVENT,(3. BE PERMENANTLY BANNED BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES FROM OWNING A COMPUTER OR USING A COMPUTER FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE UNDER THE THREAT OF FEDERAL PROSECUTION.That is what to me seems to be a true and just punishment for the person who would write such inflammatory remarks with no thought for anyone other than themselves.--66.156.178.59 05:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC) WI£ÐTH|NG6FT6
 * He/she didn't break any laws. Bubbaprog 00:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Murderers on Wikipedia, and Zordrac said on WR this was one of many examples. I agree. I do not know if that user was actually a murderer or Chris Benoit, but the case needs to be investigated along with the many other cases that Zordrac made mention of. 68.224.239.145 20:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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HE WAS THE GREATESTS WRESTLERS IVE EVER SEEN BUT I LIKE WHEB THE ROCK BEAT HIM UP THE RPCK WAS THE GREATES —64.139.226.200 (talk) 15:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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I think no one should judge chris benoit for what has happened tp his family yes its a tragic thing but he did everything 4 his little boy and he worked hard for the wwe company its a awful whats happened but think of his other 2 children and his parents chris doesnt deserve to have people saying bad things about him yeah it was wrong but before the tradgedy he was a gud man —92.16.124.239 (talk) 12:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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sad —74.72.56.44 (talk) 04:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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Wow, I can't believe this.  Nascar 1996  04:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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Comprehensive immigration bill fails in United States Senate

June 28, 2007 The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill backed by both United States President George W. Bush and Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy failed to receive enough cloture votes to overcome a possible filibuster and move on to a final vote in the United States Senate. The cloture vote was 53 votes against and 46 votes in favor; 60 votes are needed to invoke cloture in the Senate.

The large, complex bill was a compromise referred to as the "grand bargain" that would have made many changes to American immigration laws, including an expanded "guest worker" plan and a "path to citizenship" for immigrants currently residing illegally in America. The bill was largely drafted behind closed doors in negotiations between the White House and Senate leaders of both parties.

Proponents argued that the bill would have fixed enforcement problems with current immigration policy and that it was a reasonable compromise, while opponents charged that it amounted to an "illegal alien amnesty". Public opinion polls showed that the bill was unpopular among Americans surveyed, many of whom believed it would make things worse. According to Rasmussen Reports, only 22% of Americans favored the bill as of June 25.

"Bush wanted to do something good, but the Senate wouldn't let him. It's disappointing," Miguel Gonzalez told Reuters. Gonzales has been in the United States for five years.


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Fox News security hole exposes 1.5 million users' personal information
Hi Bubbaprog, I have disputed the accuracy of this article and your use of the OR tag. --SVTCobra 17:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I concede that your claims are based in fact. I am sorry if I turned it into a clusterf***, but if you had your OR notes up before you published, it probably wouldn't have happened. --SVTCobra 21:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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West Indies cricket team in England 2007-1st Twenty20

June 28, 2007

have beaten by 15 runs in the first  international of their  at, ,.

The West Indian innings started off badly by losing Gayle early, however they turned their fortunes around with some attacking and aggressive cricket and posted a huge total of 208. A bigger total could have been posted if it had not been for a late innings batting collapse. England started their reply by getting off to a flyer, but lost some early wickets that slowed down the run-rate. Leading the charge was Paul Collingwood with a fast 79 with 5 4's and 4 6's. In the end, England fell short by 15 runs. Had they not have lost the early wickets, England would have probably won the match to take a 1-0 lead in the series. Instead, it is West Indies that have taken a 1-0 lead in the series.

Toss: West Indies won, and chose to bat first.

Did not bat: DBL Powell

Fall of wickets: 1-13 (Gayle, 1.4 ov), 2-97 (Chanderpaul, 10.1 ov), 3-115 (DS Smith, 12.1 ov), 4-131 (Bravo, 13.2 ov), 5-190 (Ramdin, 17.3 ov), 6-199 (Samuels, 18.2 ov), 7-204 (DR Smith, 18.6 ov), 8-206 (Sammy, 19.3 ov)

Did not bat: RJ Sidebottom, JM Anderson

Fall of wickets: 1-40 (Cook, 4.2 ov), 2-48 (Prior, 4.6 ov), 3-69 (Trott, 7.5 ov), 4-78 (Pietersen, 9.1 ov), 5-90 (Shah, 10.5 ov), 6-101 (Mascarenhas, 12.2 ov), 7-192 (Collingwood, 19.5 ov)

England:, (wkt), , , (capt), ,  , , , ,

West Indies: (capt),, , , , (wkt), , , , ,

Result: West Indies won by 15 runs

Twenty20 Debutants:AN Cook, AD Mascarenhas, MJ Prior, OA Shah, RJ Sidebottom and IJL Trott (England); DBL Powell, R Rampaul, DJG Sammy, MN Samuels and DS Smith (West Indies)

Player of the match:

Umpires: P J Hartley and N J Llong TV umpire: I J Gould Match referee: M J Procter (South Africa) Reserve umpire: RT Robinson


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User talk:202.56.231.116

Hi, I deleted the page you created as we are not a profile making site. Please see WN:NOT for more information. Wikinews's purpose is to create unbiased news. Thank you for your understanding. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:217.42.109.68

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User:Blackhole77

Hello! Welcome to my user page. I also have a user page on wikipedia called Blackhole77. I publish news articles on or relating to the sport of cricket. Usually, I post scorecards of International matches that are played around the world. I have been member since June 26, 2007.

List of Articles
Below is a list of all the articles I have created in chronological order, starting with the earliest.

June 26, 2007: June 28, 2007: July 1 August 13
 * Cricket: 2007 Future Cup-1st ODI
 * Cricket: Bangladeshi cricket team in Sri Lanka 2007-1st Test
 * West Indies cricket team in England 2007-1st Twenty20
 * Pakistan in Scotland:Only ODI
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User talk:68.32.39.83

Hello,

Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. --Thunderhead 00:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Thankyou for marking Badindiangirl.com as spam. Sorry it took so long for me to see it and delete. If you see anymore spam, (for obvious cases like badindiangirl) you can mark it with spam which is automatically recognized in our system as a spam marker. Thank you for your help, and happy editing. If you have any questions about wikinews don't hesitate to ask. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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I have removed your post from the water cooler as it seemed off topic. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Marjan. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Marjan~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Lady Bird Johnson released from Austin hospital

June 29, 2007 Former First Lady "Lady Bird" Johnson was released Thursday after a week at Seton Hospital after being admitted for tests because she was not feeling well. She is the widow of Lyndon B. Johnson, President of the United States from 1963 to 1969. She is best known for her conservation and beautification efforts involving wildflowers and roadsides.

As President Johnson and his wife, Lady Bird Johnson, criss-crossed States by road during the 1964 presidential campaign, she informed her husband of her feelings about the roadside junkyards they saw along the way. Inspired by her comments and enthusiasm from audiences, he observed "If it's beautifying they want, it's beautifying they'll get." Recognizing that "ours is an automobile society," the President did not want to curtail roads. He wanted to make roads the "highways to the enjoyment of nature and beauty." Lady Bird thought that her love of seeing Texas highways in spring had influenced her husband. She enjoyed the results of Texan wildflower conservation programs which began in the 1930s.

One of the most prominent results of the President's beauty initiative was the Highway Beautification Act of 1965. It created restrictions on billboards and junkyards. As expected, it had been controversial. When the House considered its version of the bill on October 7, the debate lasted into the early morning hours of October 8. A pointed but tongue-in-cheek amendment by Representative Robert Dole (R-Kan.) to strike out the term "Secretary of Commerce" wherever it appeared in the bill and insert the words "Lady Bird" lost by a voice vote. Saying, "Beauty belongs to all the people," the President signed the bill and gave the first pen to Lady Bird, along with a kiss on the cheek.

In 1982, she founded the National Wildflower Research Center to continue the mission of changing public attitudes toward native plants. In 1997 it was renamed the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center.


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Former Japan Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa dies at 87

June 29, 2007

Former Japanese Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa died at his home in Tokyo yesterday at the age of 87.

He served as the prime minister of Japan from 1991 to 1993.

Miyazawa was born on October 8, 1919, in Fukuyama, Hiroshima Prefecture. He graduated from Tokyo Imperial University with a degree in law. He joined the Ministry of Finance in 1942, and in 1953, he was elected to the Diet of Japan.

In the 1970s and '80s, he held a number of positions in government, including Minister of International Trade and Industry in 1970-71, Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1974 to 1976, Director General of the Economic Planning Agency in 1977-78, and Chief Cabinet Secretary from 1984 to 1986.

He was Minister of Finance under Prime Minister Noboru Takeshita in 1987, but resigned in 1988 amid the "Recruit" insider-trading scandal.

Elected prime minister in 1991 as a member of the conservative Liberal Democratic Party, he tried unsuccessfully to save the economy following the bursting of an asset-speculation "bubble" in the late 1980s, and also tried to push through political reform bills.

"A nation can be governed either by the rule of right or the rule of might. I will not stand by the rule of might. The position of prime minister should not be acquired by really trying to," he was once quoted as saying.

It was during a state dinner on January 8, 1992 that U.S. President George H. W. Bush vomited in Miyazawa's lap and then fainted. A new Japanese verb arose after incident: "bushu-suru" or "bushuru", meaning "to commit an instance of embarrassing public vomiting" or literally "to do a Bush."

Miyazawa stepped down as prime minister in June 1993 after a no-confidence motion against his Cabinet was submitted by opposition parties and approved by lower house of the Diet with the support of rival Liberal Democratic Party factions.

He subsequently served as finance minister in the Cabinets of Keizo Obuchi and Yoshiro Mori, who drafted him to rescue Japan from another financial crisis.

He retired as a legislator in October 2003 when he abandoned seeking re-election at the strong urging of then-prime minister Junichiro Koizumi.


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International Red Cross condemns Myanmar regime

June 29, 2007

In a departure from its usual neutrality, the International Committee of the Red Cross today issued a statement condemning Myanmar's military for human rights abuses.

The Geneva, Switzerland-based International Committee of the Red Cross, or ICRC, said the Myanmar junta is systematically causing thousands of people to suffer, especially along the border with Thailand, where government soldiers raid villages, destroy food supplies, force people from their homes and commit acts of violence, including murder and child abuse. Detainees, the ICRC said, were being forced to work on government projects or act as porters for the military.

The statement comes amidst other developments in Myanmar, where 51 detainees who were arrested in a crackdown on democracy demonstrations last month were released on Wednesday.

In Beijing yesterday, officials held talks with representatives of Myanmar's military regime, with the U.S. issuing a "very pointed and very direct" demand that the  release detained democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger said in a press release: "Despite repeated entreaties by the ICRC, the [Myanmar] authorities have consistently refused to enter into a serious discussion of these abuses with a view to putting a stop to them."

"The continuing deadlock with the authorities has led the ICRC to take the exceptional step of making its concerns public," Kellenberger continued. "The organization uses confidential and bilateral dialog as its preferred means of achieving results. However, this presupposes that parties to a conflict are willing to enter into a serious discussion and take into account the ICRC's recommendations. This has not been the case with the authorities of Myanmar and that is why the ICRC has decided to speak out publicly."

In March this year, the ICRC closed its offices in, Myanmar's former capital, after the organization's staff were prevented from visiting prisons or conducting independent field operations in the border areas.

The condemnation of Myanmar by the ICRC is the strongest since it denounced the 1994.

Rare talks with U.S.
Separately in Beijing, U.S. and Myanmar officials met yesterday in the highest-level talks between the two countries since 2003.

The U.S. delegation was led by Assistant Secretary of State Eric John, who met with Myanmar Information Minister Kyaw San, Minister of Foreign Affairs Nyan Win and Culture Minister Khin Aung Myint.

One U.S. official, speaking to (AFP) on condition of anonymity, said the discussions were "very pointed and very direct."

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman said the U.S. delegation demanded the release of Suu Kyi and other political detainees, but received no positive response from the Myanmar officials. "I don't think we saw anything coming out of them that will indicate, unfortunately, that they have changed their basic opinions," Casey was quoted as saying by AFP. "We certainly did not hear that they were planning on releasing Aung San Suu Kyi or other political prisoners," he continued.

Long-standing U.S. diplomatic policy is to not meet with Myanmar leaders in their own country unless the U.S. officials are first allowed to visit Suu Kyi, leader of the (NLD), which won elections in 1990. The military, which has ruled Myanmar since 1962, never honored the results and has kept Suu Kyi, a laureate, under house arrest for most of the time since then. Myanmar is also known as Burma, its former name under the. The military officially renamed the country Myanmar in 1989, but many countries and organizations, mostly those that refuse to recognize the military government, still refer to it as Burma.

51 detainees released, AIDS activist on hunger strike
In Yangon, also known as Rangoon, 51 NLD supporters who were detained last month in a crackdown on prayer vigils have been released, according to the NLD.

However, an AIDS campaigner who was arrested on May 21 for organizing a prayer campaign for the release of Suu Kyi was not among those freed. While it isn't known where Phyu Phyu Thin is being held, the NLD says she has started a.

“The NLD calls for the immediate release of Phyu Phyu Thin, who should receive health care from her family,” NLD spokesman Myint Thein was quoted as saying by . “We [the NLD], together with her family, are seriously concerned about her health.” Phyu Phyu Thin began her hunger strike on June 19 and has been taking only liquids, Myint Thein told The Irrawaddy.

An outspoken critic, who has said the junta is understating the number of and  cases in Myanmar, Phyu Phyu Thin runs a small clinic that provides care and counseling to HIV/AIDS patients.

The U.S. State Department issued a statement on Wednesday, calling for Phyu Phyu Thin's release. "The United States calls for the immediate and unconditional release of Phyu Phyu Thin [and] others recently detained while praying at pagodas," State Department spokesman said in a statement.

Earlier, another NLD activist,, was released for health reasons.

The release of the 51 activists coincided with a visit by United Nations envoy, special representative for children and armed conflict. She met acting prime minister Lieutenant-General on Wednesday morning in the new administrative capital,. However, it wasn't known if the U.N. envoy had raised the issue of the detained activists.


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Chris Benoit mystery editor confesses: claims "terrible coincidence"

June 29, 2007

The anonymous individual responsible for suggesting, 14 hours before police discovered the body, that WWE wrestler Chris Benoit's wife was dead is saying his/her comment was a "terrible coincidence."

In a post made at 12:26 AM EDT Friday morning to the talk page of a Wikinews article headlined as the "Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found", the user admitted to writing that Nancy Benoit was dead at the Wikipedia article page for Benoit came from information that was garnered from "rumors and speculation online."

The IP Address of the individual making the apology was identical to that of the one who posted the Nancy Benoit rumor, a strong confirmation of the admission's authenticity. The lengthy apology was not signed, with the individual claiming, "I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen."

Wikinews originally broke the story about the suspicious edit after receiving a tip from Wikipedia administrators. The fact the edit originated from a computer in Stamford, Connecticut (the site of WWE headquarters) appears to be another coincidence.

The anonymous editor left a lengthy apology to the Wikimedia community, explaining, "I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered."

Wikinews is continuing to follow the story, but the anonymous user has declined an interview.

Below is the full, unedited apology: Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time. Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it. I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming. I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself. I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.


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You do realise that this is a scam? Some wannabe journalist came up with this scheme to write up a good story. I'd point the finger at the original author of this news clip.

The slim chances that this article is actually plausible and did happen (...) it is fairly must to say, that what a ridicilous story you've got on your front page.

Do wannabe-journalists writing to wiki want to write news for themselves? This is certainly a nice hobby, and I endorse supporting people who have journalistic aspirations. However, there is always "however", I occasionally wonder what kind of people this wiki gathers around it.

Maybe it's just me, but majority of the contributors I've talked and seen here seem to be a bit wacky, obsessed being a real journalist (might have failed in 'real life' aspirations) and then they come here and begin earning wiki-reputation.

Seems like a big game to me. Although this is a good study subject for someone who has interest to human social behaviour and internet communities.

Please don't take this casual drive-by comment too harshly. I think I wrote a couple of good observations reasonable people can agree on.
 * Please do not insult anyone here. This is not constructive. Please use this page to better the article, not to insult it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Discuss. (preceding unsigned comment by 89.202.131.134 16:39, 29 June 2007)
 * I don't even know anyone in Connecticut, but your conspiracy theory is intriguing. Bubbaprog 12:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that he/she should have nothing to apologize for if they reported on rumors. Why they go on and on how they reported something that turned out to be true, and they are sorry. So it was OK to post something that was false, but once it became true, it was bad? Should there be an apology? They reported the truth, except that she was murdered by Chris. Also, there was early reports of wrestlers getting texts from Chris, so it is conceivable that they got a message that Chris would not be able to make it because of a family emergency because of the death of his wife, hence the fact they got in another wrestler. They may of even announced or word got around that there was a replacement, so, why is it hard to see someone, a fan, then want to be the first to report on the news? Now they are apologizing for reporting the truth, only because they feel like they are in trouble, so they are compounding the problem. Kind of like most scandals, it is not the act, it is the lies that get you in trouble.24.140.30.209 17:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Kevin Wooster, Oh

or notes
OR notes (All content of this article is based on the following talk pages):
 * Talk:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found (specifically Talk:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found)
 * Talk:Professional_wrestler_Chris_Benoit_and_family_found_dead

Huh?
Why? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Stupid edit dragonfire. -Edbrown05 10:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I sense frustration...Honestly, this and the media frenzy is getting us all worked up in one form or antoher. :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm in no frenzy, and never have been regarding this topic. -Edbrown05 10:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As a simple user, I am unable to "undo" your retraction of what I thought were "worthy" edits to "your" article mr. "bistro". So please undo them before we get into an arument. -Edbrown05 10:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I should have did an undo as opposed to a rollback. So sorry that I did not...no argument here and never intended to be one. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * gads, i like this guy... oops, fat mouth of mine -Edbrown05 11:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't make changes to this article in its current protected state. I really don't like the changes made to it, particularly the "freakishly," phrase which is really poor journalistic style. It'd be my preference that the changes to that graf be reverted; at the very least, that the "Freakishly" nonsense is deleted.Bubbaprog 14:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's great to hear a user at the suspicious IP address coming forward. However, it still makes me think. I believe I read an article yesterday that stated that after the mysterious posting and then the mainstream media began picking up the story that the IP address was down/non-responsive/not online.

I have in the past before with my cable modem and router manually picked the IP address I wanted from my ISP even though the IP address are assigned dynamically. For example, you can just set a Linksys cable modem router to use a IP address you define as long as it is valid for your ISP and is not in use by someone else.

I am not sure of this, but POSSIBLY someone got wind of this story, changed their IP address to the one in question, and then posted this statement about how they were the one who made the original suspicious edit. That would be feasible if for example someone didn't like the news story and wanted to dismiss it as a big coincidence.

Please discuss.

 * The length of the apology, combined with its familiarity with and similarity to previous destructive edits by the user, strongly suggests it's the same user. I've never heard of anyone being able to manually change their cable modem IP distribution pool to that of another user. As for the comment below this... *facepalm* Bubbaprog 14:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The IP address probably wasn't released by the police so only the true poster could have known what the IP address was.

The IP address was publicly available on the original talk page edit.

The person who admitted to making the edit says he was repeating rumors he read online. It would be nice if they pointed to their source of the rumor so that can be investigated also.

 * Why would someone go through the process of writing a fake appoligy? I think most people close to this story are more interested in the truth than media attention. -Wikipedia User Sephiroth storm

Headline is braindead
Imho, the headline's wording is pretty misleading just to sounding shocking and "newsy".

Headline: Chris Benoit mystery editor confesses: claims "terrible coincidence"

That's two bloopers:
 * Confess is the wrong word. A confession would be "yes, it's true, I killed them". But he says quite the opposite, he is contesting that he killed them, saying it's all a coincidence.
 * Claims is also wrong. What claims are those, precisely? They are not mentioned in the text.

Would be great if you could fix that. The nonsense even shows up on the front page. --193.99.145.162 16:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You do realize "claim" is also a verb, right?Bubbaprog 16:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Nobody ever accused the "editor" to have killed anyone. --SVTCobra 17:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

CNN has noticed this
here. Unlike FOX they report that it is from Wikinews. JoshuaZ 18:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * FOX News credits us here BUT they still take credit for the story WE broke. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Color me impressed a direct link (see "Click here for the entry-modifier's "confession."") from Fox News to Wikinews. --SVTCobra 00:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's real nice "the confession said the changes to Chris Benoit's page — first reported Thursday by FOXNews.com — was coincidental, and were based on rumors and speculation". Is the foundation talking to these putzs? JoshuaZ 18:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Jimmy is and knows what they are doing. He is aware that they still claim the exclusive...but I don't know what to do beyond this?? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well he said he was going to try, but in an official manner there is not much he can do, as he doesn't own the copyright. Bawolff ☺☻

I am a bit sceptical of the individual who "says the posting about the Pro Wrestlers Wife was just a fluke". There is something really strange about the posting. I hope the authorities take a real close look into this individual and prosecute.
 * Prosecute for what? Although vandalizing wikipedia isn't nice, its not illegal. There is no evidence he has done anything wrong. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That question has already been asked and answered, while you, Bawol, have been busy harassing the person who answered the question. The potential criminal charge, depending on the particular constructs of the relevant jurisdiction, could be accessory after the fact. If a person has knowledge of a crime but does not give that knowledge to law enforcement authorities, they become an accessory to that crime by helping to cover it up. As JW said, investigators WILL figure out if it was a very unlikely coincidence, or whether Occam's Razor cuts to the simpler solution -- that the person knew the facts about which they demonstrated knowledge.
 * Anyone, including any corporate entity, who gets in the way of investigators' efforts to figure this out may be charged with interfering with an investigation. Andevere 02:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I still think prosecuting the guy is friggin retarded. What if Kane was to go kill his wife, and before anyone knew, I was to speculate he killed his wife. I'd just be making a random speculation, which I simply pulled out of my ass. It doesn't mean I'm an accessory to the crime or whatever, it means I'm making a random speculation which has no grounds or sources. The guy took a random guess, leave him alone. 65.93.56.30 23:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews censors reader feedback
It might be interesting to CNN, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the NY Times and others that Wikinews closed a user comment page to prevent discussion of the Wikimedia Foundation's handling of this story about its own projects. When a news organization writes about its parent company in a matter involving multiple homicides, and then censors user comments solicited in response to the reporting, that organization needs to seriously review its ethics, while other news organizations need to reveal the censoring news organization as less than forthcoming. Let's see how quickly amature, secret "news" writers censor this comment and lock this page to prevent further critical discussion related to what a Wikipedia writer knew about these deaths before investigators arrived at the crime scene. Andevere 02:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny, you're editing now - couldn't have done that great a job censoring. Anyways, that page is not for user comments, we have a policy saying we delete user comments on that page. We have a specific page for comments which was not protected. The page you're talking about is only for collaboration on writing the story. We had to protect it as it was repetitivly being blanked, and there was information on it we wanted to keep there. The article was done, so there wasn't anymore collaboration needed anyway. If you insist there is a giant conspiracy, may i suggest a blog for your ravings? Bawolff ☺☻ 02:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Your explanation seems reasonable, but does not explain why the main source in the story about a person with apparent knowledge of a murder was allowed to delete comments that fathom the source's potential criminal culpability, and the potential culpability of the media company, and then why the news organization participated in assuring those comments remained hidden in an archive instead of presented in a context where they could be weighed with all other comments that came in before and after they were offered. Maybe I didn't get the memo -- are you saying your secret amature writers already know all they need to know about potential criminal culpability of those who demonstrate knowledge of a crime or who otherwise inject themselves into an investigation by repeating information not known to investigators? You obviously didn't care enough to respect the person who donated the analysis, nor to preserve the analysis when you decided to close the page.

 * You seem to be telling me that Wikinews has no method of receiving user feedback specific to particular articles created by anonymous writers protected by an organization that considers itself exempt from libel law and which protects the identity of writers so as to shield them from civil culpability for the work nobody will pay for but which the foundation distributes? Otherwise, I have the marketing my valuable insights quite well in hand, thank you. I'll leave the "blogs" for those who are more interested in marketing their opinion than in advancing understanding of facts. Andevere 02:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly you stopped making sense now. I have no clue what you're saying. But you're obvious not into advanced understanding of facts, as you've already said several things which are close, but not quite true (especially relating to mediawiki). Sort of as if you overheard them from other people gossiping, without taking the time to verify their accuracy or truley understand what those people were talking about. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, you fail to correctly attribute agency. You might make no sense of my contributions, but that is a failure of your cognition, i.e. your failure as a cognitive agent. I am quite confident that most of my prose is intelligible to a broad audience. Sharing with a group my understanding of facts is a method of advancing my understanding. That is why you read statements even you recognize as "close" to what you consider true. I am moving my understanding closer to a position that most rational people would consider true. I suspect you are struggling with your ambitions to have a public voice, and the excitement that has arisen from some sudden recognition of a collective voice to which you contribute. Excitement often clouds the ability to reason. Andevere 02:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Andevere, please know that Wikipedia administrators contacted authorities to let them know about the edit and the IP address that made the edit, even before the Wikinews article was written. There are no efforts to hinder the investigation. --SVTCobra 02:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been no such accusation. What has been deleted from the discussion page associated with another article, similar to the page we are using to discuss this article, was among other things a narrative explaining why the Foundation and anyone involved must cooperate fully. I discussed the crime of obstructing an investigation and the crime of accessory after the fact. I did not say anyone had committed those crimes. I invited readers to consider such laws in the context of their own activities. Andevere 02:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

WORTNET
This one defintinly needs to go through WORTNET. Thunderhead 04:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


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Wikipedia and the wrestler
Would you be willing to do an interview (via online chat or email)? The interview would be totally anonymous. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Marc Dagz
is this his name? --70.109.223.188 15:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Tell me
Did you kill the Benoits?

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This is my user page. I don't have much to say...

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