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User talk:Stevechamp

Welcome
Stevechamp, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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User talk:Lucky13pjn~enwikinews

Welcome
Lucky13pjn, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! CGorman 20:11, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Lucky13pjn. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Lucky13pjn~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:68.123.125.56

Welcome
68.123.125.56, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! CGorman 20:11, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:Cspurrier/Archive1

Thanks!
Thanks for joing Country of the Week. It is completely volutary, write when you feel like it, don't write when you don't feel like it. Look forward to working with you! → CGorman (Talk)  20:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Print Edition
Redge is in the development stages for a new front page that in my previews (which unfortunately I cannot locate the URL's for now), I thought the page offerings he had were really excellent and ultimately will be implemented.

I'd suggest you keep an eye out for him to see about getting a link installed on it during development of a new front page layout. -Edbrown05 04:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's the front page link --> Redge front page layout -Edbrown05 04:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Please review this article
U.S. Military recruitment procedures taped by 17 year old I think its ok now but Amgine wants someone other than him to do the review and tag lift.(see my talk page re; that) Paulrevere2005 00:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Military recruitment procedures taped by 17 year old
It looks just fine now. Paulrevere2005 04:00, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Print Edition on Commons?
Hey there, noticed the print edition was being hosted on a private server. Any reason it can't be hosted on Commons? --Mrmiscellanious 15:50, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is hosted on my server for two reasons, the first is I wanted to be able to use fair use,(non-issue with the new fair use policy), the second reason is that I wanted it to be downloadable in poth PDF and SXW. I wanted to ensure that it can be downloaded in a free easily editable format, since in is created in OO.org SXW is the logical choice. However Commons does not support SXW, if wikinews does enable SXW support then I can start uploading it to Wikinews. --Cspurrier 15:56, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahh, alright. I understand - I tried to do the same for the Audio transcripts, but wouldn't allow me.  Kinda odd. --Mrmiscellanious 17:28, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Small error on May 22 Print Edition
The date for May 22's Print edition is for the 21. NGerda 06:58, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

And, for your regular cleanups with the anons...

It's small thanks, perhaps, but a recognition of your efforts by me, at least. Thanks again for all your work here; we look better because of it. - Amgine/talk 19:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Miss Universe
Thanks a lot for the info about the pictures at the Miss Universe 2005 article. Please inform me as soon as you upload them -if you can do so-. Julián Ortega 01:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

developing stories
My understanding is that, from talking to Amgine that they should be kept their unless they haven't been edited for 3 days, i don't know if thats an official policy though, i'll look into it.--Ryan524 19:29, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not sure of an offical policy or even if there is one, but I have always seen that stories removed from developing stories, if we did not do this it would quickly fill the devloping story bar. --Cspurrier 19:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

CARRD
Yeah, it's a press release. Personally, I feel as though press releases are indeed news. I'll work with it a bit anyway, even though I am not excited about it... simply interested personally. -Edbrown05 02:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Got your post, and very much understand it. I'll look into this press release, as I am casually interested. -Edbrown05 03:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reply on my talk page
Nuff sed.

Vandalism
I don't like how this person or anyone put this on the page as this is meant to be a news site and for some people such as myself, use to website on a public computer and if I get caught seeing this I would be kick off the terminal. 159753 17:18, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * We as administrators do the best we can to fight vandalism. Keep in mind that we are all only vollunteers, and when we are available and online, we are continually checking for vandals.  The administrators alone cannot fight all vandalism all the time 24/7.  That's why it's partly up to users (such as yourself) to spot vandalism, revert it, and notify us.  Hopefully in the future, the vandals realize that all they succeed in is wasting people's time that could be spent writing valluble news stroies.  NGerda 17:26, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Sadly this is a part of it being a Wiki, we work hard to prevent vandalism, but we still have to few people working to stop it. During most of the day we catch it in under a minute, however this vandal strikes when many of the admins are sleeping. --Cspurrier 17:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I bet most vandals (i do) know it wastes your time, rthats why i do it, the reason why we want to wast your time varries, like me, i once was a legit user of wikinews, but got tunned down for becoming a sysop so I stopped contributing my time to wikinews, but that wasnn't good enough, i had to get back somehow, so i know access many diffrent proxies and use them to waste your time, because after 3 month and over 1000 edits, i wasn't good enough to become a sysop so i could block vandals.--65.241.12.7 17:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I understand where you are coming from, but why take it out on us? All that your efforts succeed in doing is distract from Wikinews' goal of community journalism.  By vandalizing Wikinews, you effectively are stunting Wikinews' growth and prolonging the amount of time it takes for Wikinews to become a major news source; what you are doing is keeping major corporations in control of the media for a longer amount of time.  Again, I understand your fustration, but why take it out on Wikinews?  NGerda 03:52, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Extra pages in Wikinews Print Edition
In today's print edition, there are several blank pages at the end of the piece. Just though I'd let you know. NGerda 03:55, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * fixed and uploaded --Cspurrier 13:47, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Great! NGerda 14:41, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy Deltion proposal
I have a proposal to an addition to the speedy deletion policy, i was woundering if you could please comment on it, see Water_cooler/policy, thankyou.--Ryan524 16:43, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WN print idea
Have you thought about always saving the most recent edition to the same filename each day (eg latest.pdf), so the front page link doesn't have to be changed? You could just rename the last one to a date-based name before saving the new edition. Dan100 (Talk) 17:29, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the idea, I have considered doing this, but for the time being it is slightly faster to just edit the link. --Cspurrier 17:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You could also save the files in the form 17June2005.pdf, which would allow the variables 29July2024 (this becomes: 29July2024; see m:variables) to be used, making it easy to upload them as the day's date for simplicity and eliminating the need to change them. --Naryathegreat|(talk) 21:19, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Help Offer
You mentioned you would like help with the print edition of wikinews. Feel free to contact me. Contact info is on my user page. --RossKoepke 21:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've got the time, knowledge, and equipment to handle nearly any aspect(s) of the print edition. I guess it'd help to know how things are running right now, what the aspirations are for the print edition, and what limitations you're facing right now. I don't really know what the story is on the print edition - such as it's mission, organization etc. If there are pages that have any info on it, I'd be more than eager to read them. --RossKoepke 03:42, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * See Print edition --NGerda 03:43, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

red type
Hi, yesterday and today when I put a story on the "developing stories" list it shows up inred type. What am I doing wrong? Paulrevere2005 18:20, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Can you take a look
at this? You've been around for a while, so I'd value your input. Dan100 (Talk) 09:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Craig, what was the bug in the newarticletext? Dan100 (Talk) 29 June 2005 20:30 (UTC)
 * I see that you found it all ready, but for anyone else reading this, the bug is it ignores the nowiki tag. --Cspurrier 29 June 2005 20:41 (UTC)

3RR
Cspurrier, you have violated the Three Revert rule by reverting my edits more than three times while working in concert with Amgine to revert my edits. -- NGerda June 30, 2005 20:16 (UTC)
 * I have only re verted twice, from Three revert rule: This policy applies to each person.  --Cspurrier 30 June 2005 20:19 (UTC)
 * Read the actual rule. The 3RR may apply to small groups of two or three working in concert to harrass another person. NGerda June 30, 2005 20:21 (UTC)
 * The group bit only applies when then group is using the rv to "'harrass another person", something that should be clear we are not doing. --Cspurrier 30 June 2005 20:35 (UTC)

Country of the Week - Fiji
Hi there! Thank you for inviting me to contribute something to the "Country of the Week", namely Fiji. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Well, thanks to you, I've created my first article here.Davidcannon 1 July 2005 11:42 (UTC)

The source template?
Hi Craig, I've started an interesting discussion about the source template here, fancy making some comments? Dan100 (Talk) 3 July 2005 12:54 (UTC)

not fair use - where can i put it?
"not fair use - from aljazeera"

sorry, i thought this was fair use as long as i included the source

Print edition
I was looking at the Wikinews Print Edition, in PDF, and noticed that the columns are left justified. In newspapers, it is traditional to have if justified, so that the text is aligned on both the right and left. I aksed around and was told that you were the one who ran this so I though I would pass along my suggestion. Otherwise, the print edition looks great.
 * This is not the case. As a working journalist for 18 years, I can attest that left justified and ragged right is the most-common form in newspapers. -- Davodd | Talk 4 July 2005 22:40 (UTC)

Lead article image
I understand your concern over Image:Malnourished child in Somalia.jpg, however it has been approved for release by the U.N., and it perfectly illustrates the current humanitarian situation in Somalia. Can I please add it back? -- NGerda July 5, 2005 01:04 (UTC)
 * It is an very disturbing photo. While it might illustrate the situation well, it is not a good choice for the front page. Two other people on IRC also agreed with me on this. The other photo also shows the situation but is not so  disturbing.--Cspurrier 5 July 2005 01:07 (UTC)

Somalia pic
I'm going to change it to a picture of a ship, which seems more appropiate than flooding. Is that OK? Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
 * Sure, I do not care much what it ends up being as long as it is not as disturbing as the one that was on it before. --Cspurrier 5 July 2005 17:47 (UTC)

An invitation...
I'm attempting to start up a new edition of Wikinews, one with a simpler user contributions system at Wikinews/Start a new edition. The goals of this project would be to simplify the process of submitting articles such that anyone with no knowledge of the Mediawiki software or the Wikimedia projects culture can easily understand and submit an article, and immediately see it on the main page developing articles section.

If you would be interested in supporting this project I would be pleased if you would sign up at the Meta page.

As I just wrote on the page you deleted :
The default text is really crappy, but I do not think the publication system is so bad. But default text is real bad. This is hardly a wiki anymore. No new editor can feel confident in front of that whole stuff. You make a big error here.

The wiki was made to be simple. You are just forgetting this. -[by user Hushie]
 * Thepage you put it on was not the place for it, I do however agree with you, please post what you said to the water cooler. --Cspurrier 5 July 2005 22:24 (UTC)

Welcome message
Thanks very much. --Eleassar 7 July 2005 17:42 (UTC)

Print edition circulation
Hello Craig,

there's currently only one example listed in the "Circulation" section of Print edition. Do you yourself distribute it? Are you aware of other distributors? Thanks, --Eloquence 02:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Surprise
Oh, Craig... I have a surprise for you! -- NGerda 09:01, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Non-commercial images have not been banned from Wikinews.
I noticed you decided that non-comercial images are not allowed on Wikinews. Although this is true for Wikipedia, this is not true for Wikinews. -- Davodd | Talk 19:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikinews uses a 'whitelist' approach to images. We can only use image the board has aproved. Only publicity, logos, and screnshots are curently allowed by the board --Cspurrier 19:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If this is true, then it needs to be clarified very clearly in our policy pages so that we know this for sure. I have seen such policies that apply to WIkipedia and Wikisource. I do not understand the reasoning for applying this rule - which is meant for a different type of wiki concept altogether. Unlike wikipedia, which is not time sensitive, it is not really possible for us recreate non-commercial images of a news event - unless we have a wikitime machine no one has told me about. :-) It is my understanding that traditional wiki content rules sat that if something is not specifically banned, then it is allowable. -- Davodd | Talk 19:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * From the fair use page "Any use not covered by this whitelist is not allowed. If you feel that the whitelist should be expanded, please comment on the discussion page." --Cspurrier 19:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a major legal difference between a fair use image and a non-commercial image. For fair use - no consent is given for Wikinews to use the image by the copyright holder, we are in essence justifying our stealing of it. FAir use is a legally dubious - and precarious place for the foundation. For CC:By, non-commercial, Wikinews, being a non-commercial operation, *is* given consent to use the image, we are not stealing the image from the copyright holder since we have permission to use it, copy it and distribute it. A non-commercial-only image is not a fair use image, therefore there is no need to expand the fair use policy since we already have consent to use the photo. The problem exists when a commercial enterprise wants to syndicate our content. THEN, the image is not allowed by that commercial syndicator, hence the tag that says the image is non-commercial as directed by the Image use policy under "Grants of license." -- Davodd | Talk 19:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Official policy or not?
I reverted your recent edit of the Image use policy since as an individual, no one person has the authority to unilatreally decide what is and what is not "official" wikinews policy. Addintionally, in the future when you change or revrt my edits, could you please do me the courtesy of explaining why you are taking such action? Although I am sure you have the best of intentions, it may help build a better sense of community and appear less rash if you reach out to others and explain your actions on a user's talk page. Otherwise it may appear you are dismissive of other people's viewpoints. As is said in Etiquette, "We have different views, perspectives, and backgrounds, sometimes varying widely. Treating others with respect is key to collaborating effectively in building a news team." -- Davodd | Talk 03:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Print edition on OhmyNews
Thought you might like this.--Eloquence 12:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Very cool, thanks --Cspurrier 17:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

how long?
Hi, I noticed one of your edits and would like your advice. How long would you say a story should be before it's published? I published a couple today thinking that they were representative of that day and were unlikely to develop any more, but do you think they should stay in developing? Thanks :) ClareWhite 12:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no good answer to this, stories can be moved as soon as they are ready . I like to let my stories wait about 24hrs before publishing. However if you think a story is done, you can publish it as soon as you create it. --Cspurrier 16:00, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

The IP vandalism
I've traced the IPs and he's actually right - they come from a South African joint-ISP cache. I suspect they're dynamically assigned, but I've e-mailed their abuse desk to clarify. I guess we should only block them for 24 hrs though. Dan100 (Talk) 21:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Weather maps on the print edition.
I was wondering why you changed from using Farenheit to Celsius for the U.S.A. map, as Farenheit is more widely used in North America. Thank you. -Martinman11 23:19, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have not actually switched. I was away yesterday and was unable to do the print edition at its normal time, so I sent Chiacomo the draft and he finshed it and updated the weather maps. I guess I forgot to tell him to use Farenheit for the USA map. All future editions will continue to include the Farenheit USA map. --Cspurrier 23:26, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Righto! Sorry bout that. -Martinman11 03:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops... So I did screw up... --Chiacomo (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Not a problem at all :). --Cspurrier 02:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Pretty print edition
Hi Craig,

I'm writing an article about citizen journalism and would like to include a small shot of the Wikinews print edition in it. Could you pick or make an issue for me that you think is the most visually appealing?--Eloquence 22:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * July 9 looks nice, but I am a not a very good judge, sicne I like them all :). If this one will not work let me know and I will find/create a diffrent one. --Cspurrier 23:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It does look nice. If you find the time, one thing that would be cool would be to increase the margin slightly between the images and the text.--Eloquence 00:43, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Medal of Persistance== ==

Thank you! I'm not entirely sure I earned it, but thank you! I'll display this proudly on my user page :) -- Ross Koepke Talk 15:32, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Re:Welcome
How quick! Thanks for the welcome! --Gabriel Beecham 01:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Hi. Thanks for the welcome. Is there any way I can redirect my user and talk page to my corresponding pages on Wikipedia? Thanks - Texture 18:22, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * How you had it is about the only way to do it. --Cspurrier 18:23, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: hello!
Hi! thanks for the welcome message! Www.wikinerds.org 22:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC) .

Invincible image deletion
Hi, I understand about the image. Could you have at least informed me of the Invincible image deletion, or perhaps try to find a replacement image yourself? Anyway, take care. SoLando 02:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had planed to let you know, but I got busy and never got to it --Cspurrier 02:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Thanks dude. This site Navyphotos gave permission to Wikipedia to use images from it many moons ago. Would it be ok to use them on Wikinews? SoLando 02:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
I plan on going through as much of that material as possible in the coming 24 hours. Thanks for the scoop on what's going on.

Noisecontrol 22:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Future talk 2
Thanks for the invitation to Future Talk. Sorry I wasn't able to attend, but I was on holiday. When's the next one? Malfidus 12:10, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The next one has not yet been scheduled, but I hope it is soon --Cspurrier 14:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome and the tips. You've been a lot of help! :-) NubKnacker 14:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

And thanks from me for the welcome! :) --Chamdarae 20:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Contributing Reporter Award
Congrats! This is a lot late - and I think you may have broken 50 by know but am not sure. -- Davodd | Talk 05:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think am not yet at 50. I have 22 stories that I wrote and a few more that I contributed a lot too. I do hope to get over 50 soon :) . --Cspurrier 13:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

'Evergreen'
How is something that claims that it is not "ready to be developed by the community" useful? Dan100 (Talk) 17:18, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Printed edition barnstar
Long overdue, if you ask me. Amazing effort! --Chiacomo (talk) 05:44, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Cspurrier 17:21, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Google story
It may well be spam, but I did put the press release onto the talk page for that story to give the writer a chance to develop it into a proper story. I suppose they can just restart the story, but could you check the page history before deleting stories? as I explained what I was doing there and it might be a newbie starting out... ClareWhite 11:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I just looked at the page as is, and saw an empty page with a spammy headline. --Cspurrier 12:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeh, I should have put a note on the story page, will do next time! ClareWhite 12:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Erm, it was actually I who deleted the story, under the "advertising" rule of the speedy deletion guidelines. Dan100 (Talk) 12:29, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think she is talking about 1consumervoice tracks power outages on Google map, the one I deleted :) --Cspurrier 12:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Yup, I was. I've just done the same thing with Actual Transparent Window story but not copied it into the talk page, just invited them to write it as a story... at least it gives them a bit of space to consider what to do before an admin gets his hands on it :) ClareWhite 14:46, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Too late, I think someone else just got that one! Dan100 (Talk) 15:41, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Neighbo(u)rhood
Thanks for the message on Dan's page! Glad to know that's the reason, I'll have a go at switching it today. Local only is a better name than neighborhood even without the cultural difference! ClareWhite 08:18, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Future talk archived?
I'm sorry I missed the talk, I hadn't logged on to Wikinews until now. Is there any archive of this discussion, that you know of? -- user:zanimum

finally a really bad quote of the day for print edition
"You think that a wall as solid as the earth separates civilization from barbarism. I tell you the division is a thread, a sheet of glass. A touch here, a push there, and you bring back the reign of Saturn." ~ John Buchan

 * ) I knew there was a really bad quote out there somewhere! -Edbrown05 03:44, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * kidding while i laugh... back to what i was doing till lightly amused :) Edbrown05 03:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

New dates
Where's the template that generates new dates? I want to get the local only category into the latest news every day but i can't find it :) ClareWhite 09:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Why would an administrator be making such personal attacks behind my back?
No personal attacks[] Have we ever even had a discussion about anything? Have you read the policies and guidelines? Do you think the person who starts a story (that 6 others spend time on) owns it and you can just delete it like some type of boss? What's up;I don't get it? You seem to be the one trying to chase somebody away; like me. Neutralizer 02:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I stated that you are in “my opinion a troll”. I believe I made it clear that I was stating my opinion and not a provable fact. If it was a provable fact, you would have already been banned. I can however say with certainty that your behaviour has been very troll like. I do not believe my statement was a  personal attack, and I doubt  many others would interpret it as one under that policy. --Cspurrier 15:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, fine then. Since you see nothing wrong in your behavior, I assume you will repeat it so I must reciprocate. This is the phrasing I will use, which I assume you will feel is not a personal attack.

"This often leads to people making comments like you received from CSpurrier, with the goal of chasing people off the site. This person has done several things like this before, and is in my opinion a troll." Neutralizer 20:04, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If that is what you believe then that is fine with me :) --Cspurrier 20:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Print Edition w/ New logo and Verdana
I made a version of today's print edition with Verdana and the newer logo. (It's in openoffice format) Should I send it to you? -Telecron 20:58:54, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
 * What logo are you using? -- NGerda 21:57, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * The one on the top of the PE page... I put a link to Wikimedia Commons on th PE page...

Looting disrupts rescues
Why are you protecting this pro-government POV, inaccurate headline? Paulrevere2005 18:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I am??  --Cspurrier 18:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Ouch; I feel stupid...tried to change headline; then saw your edit; asumptions assumptions...I apologize. Paulrevere2005 18:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, I was just a bit puzzled :). It looks like the problem is you clicked move when you were on the talk page, this does not automatically move the story.  --Cspurrier 19:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

spam?
Cspurrier, Before deleting you need expand the subject. Article "NeoPopReal..." was in developing for few weeks. And now you delete without any talk. According your profile you are not art professional, for this reason you can't make dessigions on your own without talk. It was deleted in a hurry by Mrmiscellanious, by mistake and must be recreated and developed. Thank you.
 * If you can explain how it is news I would be glad to undelete it. This story has been deleted ~8 times so far, so please keep in mind recreting deleted stories can get you a short ban from editing--Cspurrier 20:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Unprotecting Template:Los Angeles
No one will ever need to edit this template; it's simply displays the category on an article. The only reason anyone would have a need to edit it is if they wanted to put vandalism on it, and I should remind you that if these templates are used and a vandal messes with them, the DPL lists will be scrambled up and down. -- User:NGerda 01:24, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

September 10 print edition
Craig, just wanted you to know that the September 10th edition of the Print Edition has been completed, and has just been uploaded. :) --Mrmiscellanious 01:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

The Microsoft/AOL story
Why don't you do the story properly? I've listed the sources. 66.111.38.110 22:31, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Contest
I'm on vacation this week, so won't have as much time to check your stories. Unfortunately, as I seem to be the only English-language judge still reviewing stories, this means your stories may not be checked. However, when I return next weekend I will try to catch up. If I find any of your articles have problems, I will give you a reasonable amount of time to correct them, even if they are 10 days old by then. Sorry for the inconvenience, StuRat 13:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, NP --Cspurrier 15:11, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Nomination for bureaucratship
Hi Craig,

I've nominated you to become a bureaucrat on Administrators. Please comment whether you accept the nomination. Thanks,--Eloquence 13:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality of article
Could you look over Nashville Police accused in Taser death of Patrick Aaron Lee and let me know if it is sufficiently neutral now? I added the police version of events from some other sources and trimmed down the quotes from his relatives a bit. Let me know if you have any other suggestions for improving it. Thanks. Kaldari 21:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Hi Craig — congrats! The users of Wikinews have voted you in as a bureaucrat on this project. Thanks for accepting Erik's nomination and I wish you luck in this position. -- IlyaHaykinson 22:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I second Ilya's congratulations.. --Chiacomo (talk) 22:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * A third congratulation from me as well! Good luck on the beauraucracy, I'm glad you were chosen!  --Mrmiscellanious 22:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Congratulations, and thanks for helping out!--Eloquence 22:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Vandal on site
69.179.158.36 is vandalizing lead story. Neutralizer 14:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I reverted his edits (I think I got it to right version) and blocked him for 24hrs.Thanks for letting me know. --Cspurrier 15:39, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Didn't you just break the 3 revert rule?
[] Please change it back to the previous story. Neutralizer 19:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have not yet broken the 3RR. The 3RR allows for three reverts in 24hrs. It is the fourth revert that you blocked for doing. --Cspurrier 21:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Print edition for 14 Oct has a column overlap
Thanks for working so hard to put these out. Today's edition has a column overlap on the third page. I've checked it on Ubuntu and Windows, with totally different readers.

65.241.152.139 04:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Girl's flu case found to be drug-resistant
A girl who likely caught avian influenza from her bother needed high doses of medicine to fight off the virus.

from her bother? Please check the main page. G Clark 00:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting me on WN:A
Just wanted to say thankyou for supporting me on Administrators. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

South Thailand insurgency infobox
Thanks for fixing the infobox for me, I'll have a look at the diff in a minute and see what was wrong.

Do I need to create a category "South Thailand insurgency" to get articles automatically added to the infobox? If so, what's the magic code in the infobox to auto-refresh? Brianmc 12:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC) UPDATE:Nevermind, I poked about until I found the human rights infobox code and I see it in there. Brianmc 12:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I changed it so now any page with category "South Thailand insurgency" will sho up on the list, including the template on a page will also add this. To do this it uses DPLs--Cspurrier 12:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Is IRC down?
Neutralizer 23:35, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Something a bit humorous and weird just happened re; the featured story. See my last comments on that story's talk page and lmk what you think. I think it's kind of a good thing maybe? Neutralizer 23:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow thats alot of people to say hi to
Just wanted to say good work on saying hello to all the new comers. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

p.s. Can you take a look at Wal-Mart to change health benefits plan I think its a copy vio of http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wal_mart_cutting_more_corners/. quite alot of it just copy and paste (especially 3rd paragraph.) However user:65.190.139.230 (the author) disagree's with me and removed the tag. I want to make sure it actually is one before starting a revert war over it. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome
Thank you for your welcome. I am a regular contributer at wikipedia and am just dipping my toe in the water in other projects. I appreciate the links as to how things are done in this project and so found the welcome very useful. Regards--AYArktos 00:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'd like to thank you too. I was bracing for one when I made my user-page here. I'm really in to reporting, etc., so this account is probably going to see some action. - [[user:Kookykman|Kookykman|(talk)]]

Thank you
for your comments. Please note that the message left on my user page was not something for me to reply to but rather the exact same statement that the same editor made numerous times in the past, on article pages and the water cooler. I am hoping that a user who is annoyed at me right now will simply allow a little "cooling off" period and refrain from communicating directly with me; and especially not use my page for their purposes. I am not going to be editing stories for awhile just so I can not inadvertantly upset MrM or Amgine. Also, you did not address the potential problem of comments that I don't like being stuck on my talk page if/when I am blocked and unable to respond...but again, thank you for your constructive comments. Since you did get involved,to this extent, I would really appreciate it if you could respectfully request of Amgine and MrM. that they respect this desire for a cooling off period? Others have also suggested it and I am trying to do my part in that regard. Neutralizer 19:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think a cooling off period is a great idea. The note was mostly just there because it bugs me when people call things by the wrong name :). About the removal of comments, it is considered very rude to selectively remove others comments as you may have noticed I have left all comments on my talk page, even the ones I would rather not have on it.--Cspurrier 19:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

press accreditation

 * Location - Boston, MA
 * Areas of coverage - Technology, International communities
 * Contact information - Samuel Klein  sjklein((@))post.harvard.edu
 * Do people generally include phone #s? My database of media contacts includes them, but that doesn't mean much.

Nominated for Experimental Arbitration Committee
Cspurrier, you have been nominated to be an associate arbiter on Experimental Arbitration! If you accept (or not), please let me know on my talk page, and I will then add you. Be sure to familiarize yourself with the concepts of the committee before you decide, and feel free to improve the set policies for the ArbCom. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 03:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Adminship?
I accept your nomination. Thanks for your trust in me. --Deprifry | +T+ 22:53, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Reblock
I strongly oppose your reblock of Neutralizer for the full period of 6 months. Blocks of this duration have, to my knowledge, never be given on Wikinews for regular policy violations and represent a serious expansion of administrator privileges. In fact, Amgine himself has said that he wanted to achieve a change of policy through his action.

Reverting an undesired change is par for the course on a wiki. I disagree with such a change in policy (to give administrators the privilege to mandate long-term bans, and I also disagree with the the message it sends to the blocked user. Primarily because of the latter, I felt that a revert or at the very least a shortened duration of the block was necessary. Your logic would be warranted if we were just dealing with some wiki page. But we are not. We are dealing with a user who is blocked for 6 months. This makes careful review necessary.

Furthermore, we had already achieved a temporary compromise, namely, to negotiate this situation until we have found a policy, such as the proposed arbitration committee, that everyone can agree to. If you care about not causing fights, getting into a situation that has stabilized and making things worse is not exactly the way to do it.

I ask you kindly to restore the compromise of a two week temporary block. It achieves what Amgine wanted, namely to stop the alleged disruption, and gives us time to think about this issue.--Eloquence 00:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * If you have not already seen it, please take a look at my comments on the water cooler My primary reason for reblocking was I am opposed to unblocking obviously controversial blocks without any real consensus. I strongly doubt the full block length will stand, I have offered to unblock Neutralizer immediately he is willing to consent to arbitration or some other similar thing. --Cspurrier 00:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The point is that I did not, in the end, simply unblock him, I transformed his 6 month ban into a temporary suspension of edit privileges due to the perceived risk of further disruption. How to deal with this issue effectively could then be decided within these two weeks, which should be enough time, I think. I believe this transformation of the block represented a reasonable compromise. Now we are back at Amgine's position, which is obviously not supported by consensus. (For the record, I do not agree with the notion that a disagreement among administrators somehow undermines their authority or the community as a whole.)

I like your suggestion of unblocking Neutralizer when he agrees to participate in a fair arbitration process, but I do still think there's no reason to "sentence" him to 6 months when there has not been a fair and reasonable process by which a sentence of this duration could have been decided. I would much prefer a block which is clearly labeled with the purpose of giving the community time to rethink the issue. If you think two weeks is not enough, that is another issue, but I'm not happy with the current situation.

To be clear, I am not defending anything Neutralizer has done. But I care a great deal about fairness in treating our users, and leaving no doubt that our processes are meant to improve behavior, rather than punishing people or enforcing some kind of club membership structure. I would very much like Wikinews to work towards an arbitration committee similar to the one used by the English Wikipedia and controlled by the community. I think that a process similar to those found in legal systems is, while sometimes a bit cumbersome, generally much more fair and reasonable than actions by indivisual administrators or even community vote (which tends to bring out an "us vs. them" spirit, whereas elected arbitrators have more of a felt obligation to be objective judges).

I will try to help a bit with the planning of the ArbCom for this reason. But I would still much appreciate it if we could make it clear that Neutralizer's edit privileges are only suspended because such a solution does not yet exist, and we need time to work out the problem.--Eloquence 00:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Your proposal on my talk page
Agreed; each item of your proposal is fair and reasonable. Thanks for the efforts. Neutralizer 20:24, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support with my accreditation request! -- user:zanimum

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome talk page message. I had someone do it for me on WikiPedia as well. It's because of people like you that this service is easier to use, and still fun to read. Thanks! :P Wizardx 03:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Good job with the Bot
Good job with the Bot. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for sig advice
Thanks for sig advice. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Bot error
Your bot seems to work fine on every other page, but it screwed up Shoppers World hosts arts event. I don't have admin powers to revert it, so if you could, that would be great. -- user:zanimum
 * Sorry about that, it is known bug, but I thought I had fixed it :(. I have fixed the page thanks for letting me know. --Cspurrier 00:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

cabal
I did mean to meantion you in the bullcrap but I only spill 5 quarts in a gallon. -Edbrown05 05:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC) u .... can't think of anything nice to say .... -Edbrown05 05:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Accreditation
Hello, to receive Wikinews credentials I need your Location, Areas of coverage and whatever Contact information you want published --Cspurrier 19:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Thanks for accrediting me! There was that whole press credentials debate on foundation-l recently. Whatever was concluded? I'm interested in working on a redesign of the pass. --  user:zanimum

Moreau, Nicholas (Wikinews user Zanimum)
Location: Brampton and Toronto, Ontario, Canada Areas of coverage include: Culture, entertainment, art, design, Canada, Swaziland Contact information: E-mail: nicholasmoreau((@))gmail.com More information: Wikinews user page | Contact reporter via Talk Page | Browse recent activity | Email this user

Screen scraper bot
Can we teach the RSS bot to fetch article content? I'd be willing to help if it's written in a programming language I speak. action=render gets HTML without the skin and with absolutified links.--Eloquence 04:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
Hi! I'm primarily a user over at Wikipedia but do set up ids rather than do anonymous edits, whereever I go... appreciate the welcome! ++Lar 19:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Technology Brief
Hi. I guess I missed the print edition? :) By the way, I like the print edition, just that it's not colorful or picture-filled enough, but I can see why. It must take enough time to do as is. :)

Also, at one point, I also do a bit of computer consulting, in my case in Toronto, Canada (but not full-time), and I may one day set up a computer tips MediaWiki to gain business. If I did, would you be interested in joining me, making it a collaborative work? Unforgettableid 18:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S.
P.S. User:Pooop is a vandal, as you might have guessed by his username. :) Unforgettableid 20:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He has been blocked, The way I welcome new users makes it easier to welcome everyone even vandals, then to try. --Cspurrier 19:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Could it be...
Could it be that you accidentally put the Business Brief heading over top of the Technology Brief in your Dec15 Print and vice versa? Unforgettableid 08:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * fixed --Cspurrier 19:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the change. -- Water Bottle 00:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Policy proposal Re; Time limit for Administrators
hi,; hope you can support this I just put this on the watercooler policy section

This is an urgent issue that must be addressed now,imo, because an integral condition for exercising administrative authority here on wikinews is stipulated to be "You are trusted by the community"[1].

I have designed a very simple policy proposal. Our past attempts at dealing with this sensitive issue(e.g.ArbCom proposals) have been unsuccessful,imo, because of their complicatedness. I would simply ask, if possible, that this proposal be given an "up or down" vote (with associated comments of course). Any attempt to complicate OR DELAY IT (especially by existing administrators) could be seen as suspicious behavior, I think. Administrators who have the community's trust have nothing to fear with this proposal.

Proposal;

1. As of Feb.1,2006, adminships will be for a 1 year term. 2. All existing non-Bureaucrat adminships will terminate Feb. 1st. 2006.

3.Nominations for renewal of existing adminships will begin on January 24th.

SUPPORT;

OPPOSE;

Paulrevere2005 20:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

COMMENTS;

Wikinews:Print edition
Hi, I am thinking about one day in the new year, printing off, and photocopying (about 250) Wikinews:Print edition, and handing them out at a local community meeting. Is  this inline with wikinews rules? By doing this I hope to get some people to help out on wikinews.

Keep up the good work with Wikinews:Print edition Brian New Zealand 10:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be wonderful! It is definietly inline with Wikinews rules --Cspurrier 20:04, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

user Nyarlathotep
Why did you add him to the list of admin. He didn't have community consensus. --MateoP 19:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He received ~74% support, this would be considered a close case. We aim for about 80% support but it is left up to the bureaucrats in close cases such as this. --Cspurrier 19:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "We aim"? What does that mean.  There is no "we", this is a wiki.  Show me official policy that says that.  If you can't, then the wikimedia-wide definition of consensus must be enforced.  And that is not defined by any number.  Secondly, a bureaucrat is simply a person who has the technical ability to give someone admin status.  They do not, however, have the ability to make decisions for the entire website.  No one owns wikinews.

 * The only reasonable thing to do at this point would be to deadmin user Nyarlathotep and bring up a proposal for how a person gets to become an admin. --MateoP 22:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * By we I meant myself and the other bureaucrats. A bureaucrat's job is to determine if community consensus exists for the person to become an admin, approximately 80% support is the target number though in many cases on Wikipedia a slightly lower number will be excepted.

Like many WN policies there is no written policy, just history. These "policies" come from the actions of Wikipedia bureaucrats and the other WN bureaucrats.--Cspurrier 22:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * You don't have the authority to make decisions on your own. Just because something has been done in the past doesn't make it correct.  You can't make up new powers to give to yourself, you can only do what bureaucrat says you can do, unless the community grants you more.  It hasn't.

 * In order to solve this controversy, the best thing we should do, as a compromise, is to place user Nyarlathotep back on the wait list while specifics are discussed of whether or not you should have the power to overrule consensus. --MateoP 23:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

What are u doing
What is it you have against me. I gave you a source and yet you INSIST that the news is fake. And your vandal pal Deprifry accuses me of being a sockpuppet. Paraguayo 21:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It is some what odd that no other news site, including the six or seven Paraguay news site I checked have anything about it, and the the only source is a page no one can get to load. Take a screen shot of the actual story and then I will consider changing my mind on it being a hoax. --Cspurrier 21:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I shall. Paraguayo 21:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * PAINT isn't working, so I copy pasted the text while I open Photoshop, which is slow:

REPORTE NO CONFIRMADO ALFREDO STROESSNER MUERTO EN BRASILIA

Fuentes exclusivas de Noticias nos dicen que el ex presidente Alfredo Stroessner ha muerto de una falla cardiaca hoy en un hospital en la capital brasileña, Brasilia. El gobierno de Paraguay no ha confirmado esta historia.

Stroessner fue presidente de la República por treinta y cinco años. Depuso a Federico Chávez, presidente democráticamente electo, y fue depuesto por Andrés Rodríguez. Stroessner fue miembro de la temida Operación Condor junto a dictadores como Augusto Pinochet de Chile y Jorge Videla de Argentina. Paraguay también fue un santuario para Nazis como Josef Mengele, debido al amor que Stroessner le tenía a Alemania. Stroessner fue respaldado por EE.UU. hasta fines de los años 80.

Después del golpe de Rodríguez, Stroessner escapó a Brasil, donde vivió, sin ser enjuiciado, hasta hoy. Nuestras fuentes nos cuentan que Stroessner aparentemente fue hospitalizado el 27 de diciembre, pero el dictador quiso mantener esto en secreto.

 * Screenshot: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2148/untitled12oh.jpg

 * Forged URL in the screenshot. -- NeoAmsterdam 21:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I knew you'd find yet ANOTHER way to discredit me, despite the time I took taken those screenshots and uploading them. Paraguayo 21:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * First off, I don't know you, so "ANOTHER" doesn't apply. Second, if you've got a problem with me, come and say so. -- NeoAmsterdam 21:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Primero, yo no te conozco, así "ANOTHER" no aplica. Segundo, si tenés algún problema conmigo, vení y decímelo. -- NeoAmsterdam 21:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

(From Talk:Former Paraguayan president Alfredo Stroessner dies at 93)
 * Is not a Massacre of the Innocents prank? Remember that in Spain and Iberoamerica, except Brazil, we celebrate this day [yesterday] by making pranks. Even the Spanish-language Wikinews has one joke about Chávez, BP and PDVSA... but that was YESTERDAY. Julián Ortega 21:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, that site (www.diarionoticias.com.py) is not loading... and it's too late for inocentadas. Julián Ortega 21:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We had something similar this morning at the Spanish-language edition. It seems the creator really believed it was true, although its source clearly showed it was a prank. (I had even to upload a screenshot for him to believe me). Cheers! Julián Ortega 21:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Bot on the fritz
I'm finding a bunch of blank articles with tags from your bot... should I continue deleting them (don't know if this is a test or not)? --MrMiscellanious – Happy Hanukkah – 23:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

u might be interested ...
... in this discussion on recommending fact-checking of wikinews articles. Doldrums 16:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

missing water cooler/policy archive
hi, u archived water cooler/policy recently. i think you've forgotten to add to the list of wc/p archives. Doldrums 16:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * fixed --Cspurrier 17:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

btw, what's the deal with archiving while discussions are underway? are we supposed to carry on discussion in the archives, or move current discussions to the newly created policy page or should only "closed" discussions be moved to a newly created archive page. Doldrums 17:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Once archived a page should not be edited. You can move any discussions that you would like to continue back if you want. In order to preserve the page history it must be moved using the page move feature. I only found one discussion the seamed to be ongoing based on date and I believe it will not have anything else productive said on the topic.

 * Also in regards to the changes in the style guide, I have no problem with the change, since it just explains a long held policy. Reporters mess up all the time most of the time these mess ups are small things like misspelling someone’s name. We can prevent these errors by requiring more then one source. With every extra source the odds of mistakes goes down. On bigger mess ups by requiring more then one source we become more likely to find conflicts and NPOV problems in the source.   --Cspurrier 18:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I've just made an edit which is probably at least vaguely in the direction of what Doldrums wants, so that discussion could just be allowed to start back up again, but about my edit this time. Nyarlathotep 18:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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Ex-WorldCom Chief found guilty of all charges

March 15, 2005

A federal jury found Bernard Ebbers guilty of all nine counts in the indictment brought against him. The verdict was handed down by a New York jury after 8 days of deliberation on the former WorldCom CEO and mastermind behind the accounting scandal that brought down the telcom giant.

AP writer Erin McClam reports, "Ebbers' face reddened.", as the verdict was read. Sentencing is set for June 13 when he will face up to 85 years in prison.

Ebbers testified in his own defence, saying he left the details of the company's accounting to others and that he had no knowledge of shady practices. But Scott Sullivan, ex-chief financial officer and key prosecution witness, directly linked Ebbers to the fraud. He had agreed to co-operate with prosecutors in the hopes of receiving a lenient sentence for his own involvement in the fraud.

The demise of WordCom sparked a massive class action law suit by investors. The drastic plunge of WorldCom's stock value cost upwards to $11 billion as the scandal unravelled. Secuities fraud case filings stemming from the suits will probably break new legal ground whereby the actions of investment banks and public accounting firms will be called into legal question.


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Former WorldCom chief found guilty of all charges

March 15, 2005 A federal jury found Bernard Ebbers guilty on all nine counts in an indictment for fraud, conspiracy and false regulatory filings. The verdict was handed down by a New York jury after 8 days of deliberation on the former WorldCom CEO and mastermind behind the accounting scandal that brought down the telcom giant.

AP writer Erin McClam reported that when the verdict was announced, “Ebbers’ face reddened.”

Sentencing is set for the second Tuesday of next week when he could receive 85 years in prison for the conviction.

Ebbers who took the stand in his own defence, said he left the details of the company's accounting to others and that he had no knowledge of shady practices. But Scott Sullivan, the ex-chief financial officer of the company and key prosecution witness, directly linked Ebbers to the fraud. Sullivan agreed to co-operate with prosecutors in the hopes of receiving a lenient sentence for his own involvement in the scandal.

The fall of WordCom sparked a massive class action law suit by investors. The plunge in WorldCom's stock changed the capitalized value of the company in the range of $11 billion as the scandal unravelled. Secuities fraud cases stemming from the suits will probably break new legal ground where the involvement of investment banks and public accounting firms who would normally check company irregularities will be called into legal question.


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User talk:JohnOwens

Welcome
JohnOwens, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 00:31, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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Mother of the Detroit Tigers baseball player Urbina was kidnapped by FARC leader

March 16, 2005

Venezuela recognized that the mother of  Ugueth Urbina, Maura Josefina Villareal,  was kidnapped by  the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia  (FARC-EP) commander  Alvis Patiño, known as El Chiguiro. Urbina is a Venezuelan and  a Major League Baseball right-handed closer who plays for the Detroit Tigers.

Chiguiro has been captured on February 2005. A delegation of authorities from Colombia was sent to Venezuela, so he could be identified. Now, after his identification, Colombian officers expects he can be extradicted to Colombia. In Colombia, Chiguiro is expected to be judged for the alleged crimes of  kidnapping and murderer of the American missionaries Sthephen Everet and Thimoty Dike in 1995.

Some Venezuelan baseball players from the Major Leagues said that kidnapping is a new situation they must learn to live with. None of them said that the risk of kidnappings would prevent their return to Venezuela.

For years, Venezuelan cattlemen near Colombian borders say that they are victims of extorsion by FARC forces. This is the first time that the Venezuelan government recognizes that the FARC is responsible by this kind of crime in Venezuela.

According to the Colombian authorities, Chiguiro is envolved with the exchange of drugs by weapons with Brazilian traffic drug dealers.


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Talk:Suspect in Atlanta courthouse shooting appears at hearing

I removed the material between the lines below because the contributor did not source and I have no source for the information.

 * Nichols’ attorney Barry Hazen, has stated he believes continuing with this earlier case is a waste of time and tax dollars. “He’s facing four homicide charges that could carry the death penalty. In the best-case scenario, he’s in jail for life. What’s the point?” Hazen said Sunday.

edw 03:17, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot that bit, the source was http://msnbc.msn.com/ID/7181151/ --Cspurrier 16:03, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Cookbook is free reference work community's most active project

Self-promotion
Isn't this article just a Wikimedia site promoting another Wikimedia site?

 * Not really, I'd be happy to have articles about other wikis and their latest developments. The real problem is that our selection of articles per day is currently so small than an artcle like this stands out. So, the solution is to write more articles, and to move niche topics like this one to separate pages.--Eloquence 03:43, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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Brazil defends China against human rights violation charges in UN

Human Rights Secretary Nilmário Miranda said that Brazil will defend China in the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. According to him, the Chinese showed some advances in the human rights area recently.

Last year Brazil voted for  China  and helped to stop a discussion on the subject in UN. The only Latin American countries who favored China in 2004 were Brazil and Cuba.


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UK Chancellor of the Exchequer makes 2005 Budget speech

March 16, 2005 The United Kingdom Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Right Honourable Gordon Brown PC MP, in a speech to the British House of Commons today presented his ninth Budget, what is very likely to be his last Budget before the next UK General Election. This opened the parliamentary debate on the 2005 Finance Bill, and was followed by responses from the opposition parties.

In a 48 minute long speech, the Chancellor presented a Budget of "tax cuts that are reasonable, spending that is affordable, and [economic] stability that is paramount", that was "the prudent course for Britain". There were few surprises that had not already been indicated in his 2004 pre-Budget report. The increase in the threshold on stamp duty was greater than that forecast by commentators, as was the amount of the Council Tax rebate to households with pensioners.

Duty
Before the speech, commentators had speculated that the Chancellor would increase the threshold for stamp duty on house purchases from £60,000 to £100,000 (the same increase that the Liberal Democrats had proposed in their Alternative Budget in February 2005), to reflect the increase in house prices over the past few years and to reduce the burden on first-time house buyers; and would not increase the duty on petrol. In his 2004 pre-Budget report, the Chancellor had committed to no increases in the duty on spirits, in advance of the duty stamps scheme scheduled to be introduced in 2006.

In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the threshold for stamp duty on house purchases would increase from £60,000 to £120,000, effective from 24:00 March 16, 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the rates of duty on spirits, cider, and sparkling wine would remain frozen at their current levels. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced a 1 penny increase in the duty on beer, and a 4 pence increase in the rate of duty on wine, effective from March 20, 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced a 7 pence increase in the duty on cigarettes, effective from 18:00 on March 16, 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced a refund of the VAT incurred by local councils in expenditure on childrens' services; and an extension of the refund, of 100% of the VAT incurred by church renovations, to 2008. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced the deferral of the increases in the duty on most fuels, to September 1, 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that there would be no increase in the rate of vehicle excise duty.
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 * Tobacco:
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 * Petrol, Diesel, and LPG:
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Taxes
In his 2004 pre-Budget report, the Chancellor had announced a payment of £50 to households with someone aged 70 or over in 2005.

In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced a Council Tax credit of £200 for households with someone aged 65 or over in 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that Income Tax Allowance would increase from £4745 per annum to £4895 per annum. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the rate of capital gains tax was remain frozen at its current level; and a raise in the inheritance tax threshold from £260,000 to £275,000, from April 6, 2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the rates for Corporation Tax and Company Car Tax would remain frozen at their current levels.
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Benefits
No further changes to the savings threshold for benefits elegibility had been expected. In the 2004 Budget, the Chancellor had already announced that the threshold would increase from £3,000 to £6,000 from April 4, 2005. In his 2004 pre-Budget report, the Chancellor had announced
 * simplifications of the Housing benefit and Council Tax benefit systems, effective from April 2005 and October 2005;
 * that the upper bound on annual income for elegibility for Working Tax credit would be increased to £5,220 per annum, from April 2005; and
 * that the child element of Child Tax Credit would increase by £65 to £1,690 per annum, from April 2005.

In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that child tax credit would rise by 13% over 3 years, to £63 for the first child and £111 for 2 children, and that child benefit would rise to £17 per week. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced a £200 winter fuel allowance in 2005 for pensioners.
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Business
In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced
 * changes by the Inland Revenue and H.M. Customs & Excise allowing small businesses to maintain a single tax account, simplifying paperwork;
 * an enhanced tax credit for research & development companies;
 * new tax reliefs for independent and low-budget films.

Employment
In his 2004 pre-Budget report, the Chancellor had announced the extension of the length of maternity leave from 6 months to 9 months, beginning in April 2007.

Stating that he had augmented his Budgetary goal of "forg[ing] a British way to stability" with a goal of "forg[ing] a British way to success", in his Budget report, the Chancellor announced In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that paid maternity leave would be further extended to 1 year.
 * a continuation of the New Deal policy, and an expansion of it to a New Deal for Jobs & Skills;
 * vocational centres for ethnic minorities.
 * Maternity leave:

Savings
In his 2004 pre-Budget report, the Chancellor had
 * agreed to consultation on retaining the £7,000 higher subscription limit on ISAs beyond April 4, 2006 to April 2009;
 * announced that the basic state pension would rise to £82,05 for single people and £131.20 for couples, from April 2005.

In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the £7,000 higher subscription limit on ISAs would be extended to April 2010, one year further than that indicated in the pre-Budget report, increasing the maximum total tax-free saving over the lifetime of such accounts to £100,000. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that Pension Credit would increase by 13% to £119 per week.
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Spending
In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced an increase in spending of £3.5 billions on police and law & order in 2007/2008 compared to 2004/2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced an increase in spending of £23 billions on health in 2007/2008 compared to 2004/2005. In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced new compensation payments to servicemen and servicewomen who are injured in the line of duty, and a scheme that would not penalize them for continuing to serve. He reported that defence spending related to the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan had amounted to £4.9 billions.
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 * Health:
 * Education:
 * a goal of universal education from age 3 to age 18;
 * a scheme to allow senior pupils to lease computers for home use;
 * an increase in the spending allocations given to head-teachers, to £31,000 (rising to £34,000 and £36,000 in subsequent years) for primary school head-teachers; and
 * a programme to spend £1.67 billions on IT in schools over the next 3 years.
 * Armed forces:

Memorials
In his Budget report, the Chancellor announced that the construction of a memorial to the Queen Mother would be funded by the issuance of a new coin, commemorating the Queen Mother's 80th birthday.

Conservative
In a speech lasting 16 minutes the leader of the Conservative Party, the Right Honourable Michael Howard QC MP, repeatedly accused the Chancellor of presenting a "vote now, pay later" Budget. Mr Howard stated that he agreed with the Prime Minister that this would be "the last Budget that this Chancellor will ever deliver".

Mr Howard began by welcoming "the Chancellor back to the General Election campaign", and throughout his response made frequent references to the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. He stated that the Conservative Party's policy would be to give pensioners a £500 council tax rebate in 2005.

Expanding upon his "vote now, pay later" theme, Mr Howard stated that "this Chancellor has got form", describing Mr Brown's 2001 pre-election Budget as "a vote now Budget" and Mr Brown's 2002 post-election Budget as "a pay later Budget". Mr Howard also questioned the accuracy of the forecasts in the Budget report, accusing it of being a "dodgy Budget based upon dodgy numbers", and pointed to Mr Brown's Budget reports in previous years where the forecast in the Budget report had been for a surplus of £58 billions but where there had actually turned out to be a deficit of £41 billions. Mr Howard accused "the Chancellor's forecasts of surpluses" of being as unreliable as "the Prime Minister's forecasts of Weapons of Mass Destruction".

Liberal Democrat
In a speech lasting 15 minutes, the leader of the Liberal Democrat Party, the Right Honourable Charles Kennedy MP, emphasized themes of "social justice" and "fairness", and contrasted Liberal Democrat Budgetary policies with those of the Labour Party and of the Conservative Party.

Mr Kennedy began by pointing to the "favourable backdrop" against which Mr Brown was publishing his Budget, stating that one of the reasons for the favourable economic circumstances was the implementation by the Labour Party of the Liberal Democrat policy of an independent Bank of England.

Accusing Mr Howard and Mr Brown of engaging in a "Dutch auction" with respect to Council Tax rebates for pensioners, and of both ignoring the "ticking bomb" of Council Tax revaluation that would markedly affect people's Council Tax bills, Mr Kennedy stated the Liberal Democrat policy of scrapping the Council Tax entirely and of instead bringing in a system of local Income taxation. Mr Kennedy characterized the Council Tax rebates as a "quick fix for this year only", and contrasted this with local Income taxation which he characterized as being one that "pensioners benefit from every year". Mr Kennedy also questioned why the National Audit Office would not have "access to Mr Brown's books", for checking the assumptions made in the Budget report, until the end of the year.

Further outlining the Liberal Democrat aims for "social justice" and "fairness", Mr Kennedy accused the State Pension system of being one that is "iniquitous" for women, whom he said both lose National Insurance credit as the result of time taken off work for starting and raising families and who have to rely upon the State Pension more because of their greater life expectancy. Mr Kennedy also stated that the poorest 20% of people in Britain pay more, as a proportion of their income, than do the richest 20% of people.

Mr Kennedy concluded by pointing to the lack of any mention of the environment in Mr Brown's speech, which he termed a glaring "sin of omission", and by describing the Liberal Democrat presentation of its taxation and spending policies as being one of "That's who'll pay it. That's what it will cost.  That's who'll benefit.", and accused the Labour Party of, by contrast, making pre-election promises in the past to not raise Income tax, only instead to raise National Insurance contributions after the election.


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Vodafone buys Connex and Oskar

March 16, 2005

Vodafone, the world's largest mobile telephone company, has bought Romanian operator Connex and Czech operator Oskar in a deal worth 2.6 billion euro. Both Connex and Oskar were majortarily owned by Telesystem International Wireless Group, a Canadian corporation. While officials from the companies did not make public the individual value of the two operators, it is expected that most of the 2.6 billion euro was paid for Connex, which has a market value of 1.5 to 2.3 billion euro.

The takeover of Connex is said to be the biggest deal in Romania in 15 years. Before the takeover, Vodafone owned 20.1% of the company, while now it owns 99.1%, the remaining 0.9% being owned by a Cypriot company.

Arun Sarin, the CEO of Vodafone, said "I am delighted that [Connex] and Oskar, both fast growing mobile operators, will become part of Vodafone."

Connex is Romania's second-largest mobile telephony operator, with more than 4.9 million customers at the end of 2004 and nearly 50% market share. It is also one of Romania's most recognised and successful corporations, and one of Europe's fastest growing mobile phone operators. Oskar has 1.83 million customers and is also growing at a fast rate.

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I'm mostly a user of the spanish Wikipedia and Wikinews. You can reach me in my talk page there.

Ascánder.

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Suspect in Atlanta courtroom shooting gets hearing

March 16, 2005

Brian Nichols appeared before Cobb County Magistrate Judge Frank Cox on Tuesday, four days after fleeing in a killing spree. The hearing took place inside a jail. Accompanied by nineteen security officers and shackled at the hands and feet, Nichols only words when asked if he had any questions were, "Not at this time."

The 5 minute hearing was a formality to uphold the rape charges against him. He will be charged with 4 counts of murder and is currently being held with bond.

Nichols allegedly shot the judge at his rape trial along with two others in an Atlanta courtroom. He then fled to a suburb outside the city, where later that evening he shot a US customs agent before taking a woman, Ashley Smith,. Smith was held by Nichols in her own apartment for 4 hours while he eluded a massive.

Nichols ultimately let Smith go free. He surrendered peacefully to a team after she alerted authorities.


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User:Davodd/Wikistats

English language Wikimedia Projects by Size of Registered User Base:
The highest-ranking wiki in each category is marked in gold, the second highest in silver and the third highest in bronze.

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User talk:Alexwcovington~enwikinews

Hi Alexwcovington,

Welcome to Wikinews!

I replied to your comments about the Wikinews WeatherChecker tool on the WeatherChecker talk page.

Thanks for offering your ideas about the WeatherChecker project.

Regards,

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Alexwcovington. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Alexwcovington~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Mars studies find water

March 17, 2005

Studies of Mars point to evidence of the presence of liquid water on the planet's surface and a vast amount of underground ice near the equator within the past few million years. Liquid water is believed to be a key ingredient for life, therefore the presence of water on Mars helps support chances of extraterrestrial life, reported the journal Nature today. In the studies, strong indications of glacial and volcanic activity were presented. The combined research on this subject, including a study in December 2004 indicating that five volcanoes were active as recently as two million years ago, justifies further search for signs of life on Mars scientists say.

A few million years is a mere minute on the geological timescale of Mars which has been around for 4.5 billion years.

The scarred surface of Mars cannot be attributed solely to asteroids. New images of the landscape taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on the European Space Agency's Mars Express Mission show that flowing water, large glaciers and active volcanoes have also taken their toll on the face of Mars.

Some evidence collected by two Mars rovers that NASA sent to explore the planet shows that Mars was hotter and more humid millions of years ago than it is today. Also important were active volcanoes that can stimulate the forming of microbial life as they do here on Earth. Scientists recently discovered bacteria near the mouths of undersea volcanic vents on Earth where bacteria live off sulfur instead of oxygen and discharge methane as a by-product of their life cycle. Though controversial, the discovery of signs of methane gas in Mars' atmosphere also interests researchers who believe it indicates the possibility of subsurface life.

Geologist James Head of Brown University led a group of researchers who examined landforms thought to be glacial during the Viking program in the 1970s. They found evidence that glaciers moved from the poles to the equator between 3.5 and 4 million years ago, suggesting that Mars is currently in an interglacial period.

A third study looked at an area of frozen water roughly the size of the North Sea that formed near the equator around five million years ago. It is now thought that the ice was once liquid water carried along by volcanic eruptions in a region known as Cerberus Fossae.

Researchers have long assumed water on Mars had all evaporated into the Martian atmosphere. A 1991 hypothesis, then considered outrageous by suggesting Mars was no stranger to floods, is now supported by recent findings. The HRSC data suggests water is still present both in liquid form and ice. Mars Express will deploy a special radar instrument in early May which should be able to detect water and ice even several miles beneath the surface.

Should water be found on Mars, the chances of finding life are great. Many extremophiles, bacteria living under extreme conditions such as extreme salinity or heat, have already been discovered on Earth. In February 2005, scientists announced the discovery of bacteria that survived in a state of frozen suspension for 32,000 years.

Likewise on Mars, a sample of ice could offer great insight into the evolution of the Martian environment and atmosphere. These discoveries may offer a great chance to get objective evidence for Mars research.

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The Woodcraft Folk loses subsidy

March 17, 2005

London – The Woodcraft Folk, a British socialist inspired youth organisation, lost its government subsidy of GBP 52 000. The Department for Education and Skills said the organisation's claim for a grant lacked detail and that they did not have “sufficiently robust outcome indicators”, meaning that it did not represent a “good value for money”. This is the first time in 40 years the group was denied funding by the department.

Loss of the grant puts the future of the organisation in doubt. The grant money provides a fifth of the funds that helps pay for its full-time staff and headquarters. The rest comes from donations, subscriptions and a grant from the Co-operative Group

Some members of Woodcraft Folk have charged that the real reason the funding was stopped is the group's strong support against the Iraq War. It has helped lead some of the anti-war movements.

It now plans to mount a campaign to get the funding back.

The Woodcraft Folk started in 1925 as a socialist and co-operative alternative to the Scouts, who were seen as increasing militaristic in the years immediately after the First World War.

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Mao-style suits fading away in China

March 17, 2005

The famous "", prominently worn by Chinese leaders in the decades following that country's, is on the verge of disappearing from China, as the fashion-conscious younger generation shuns the previously common style in favor of the latest apparel offered by modern designers.

China's President Hu Jintao was last seen in a green Mao suit while visiting a military base during the.

During the recent gathering in Beijing, Sun Fucai, manager of the official Red Capital clothing store, reported that Mao suits made up only five percent of his sales.

One shopkeeper near Beijing, Hu Bixing, sells Mao suits, but hasn't worn his own Mao suit for about ten years. He says they are "...so out of fashion."

In China, the style of dress is still worn by older urban dwellers, and many farmers still wear the hat which typically accompanies the suit, called a "Liberation" cap.

The Mao suit has a long history in China, going back to 1912, when it became known as a "Zhongshan suit", because, or Sun Zhongshan as he is more commonly known in Chinese, popularized the style as the president of the Republic of China. It was later made famous by the  during his reign as the leader of China.

One Mao suit owner remembers purchasing what for him was a very expensive version of the suit when it was more popular several decades ago.

"I haven't worn it in 20 years," said government-employed driver Zhang Xiaotong. "If I put it on today people would look at me like I was a bit odd."

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50 Italian parliamentarians call for global summit for "a new financial architecture"

March 17, 2005 A letter and motion to be debated by Italian Parliament this week calls for action to address speculative bubbles and potential future financial crashes in the global economy. The motion asks for a global summit similar to the 1944 Bretton Woods United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, which gave us the IMF and World Bank.

The letter raises questions about the sustainability of current financial trends, based on the highly speculative nature of today's markets. For example, according to the letter, "It is estimated that the entire financial bubble, counting all financial derivatives and all other forms of existing debt, is equal to about $400 trillion, compared to a worldwide GDP of slightly more than $40 trillion".

Last years collapse of Italian dairy company Parmalat, with "14.3 billion euros that must still be accounted for", is given as evidence for "a lack of effective tools and controls regarding financial operations". Enron, which famously collapsed in November 2001 revealing faudulent accounting practices from previously respected accounting firm Arthur Andersen, is given as another example.

Oddly, the largest collapse on record, that of WorldCom, is not mentioned, though the set of examples is not purported to be exhaustive. A number of other crashes are mentioned: the LTCM fund, Argentine bonds, Cirio, and Finmatica.

The motion, linked to supporters of the Lyndon LaRouche movement, is signed by Parliamentarians Lettieri, Soro, Delbono, Tolotti, Widmann, Villani Miglietta, Rosato, Albertini, Morgando, Diana, Luigi Pepe, Damiani, Ostillio, De Brasi, Maccanico, Carbonella, Paola Mariani, Grandi, Pistone, Giovanni Bianchi, Giacco, Benvenuto, Piscitello, Camo, Realacci, Squeglia, Rocchi, Iannuzzi, Intini, Meduri, Santino Adamo Loddo, Boccia, Villari, Chianale, Siniscalchi, Sandi, Cusumano, Cennamo, Annunziata, Rotundo, Bonito, Buemi, Pennacchi, Fanfani, Tarantino, Rodeghiero, Angioni, Detomas, and Nesi.

Debate was scheduled for March 14-18.


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Cuba defends China-Taiwan reunification

March 17, 2005 The government of Cuba said that it will give total support to the principle of "one China", as expressed by the People's Republic of China government.

The statement released on March 14 (Monday) by the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed strong disapproval of any external attempt to obstruct  the Chinese objective of reunifying their country. According to Cuba, Taiwan is an inalienable part of China and  the Cuban government rejects  any attempt to consider Taiwan as an independent territory.

The note mentions the principle of territorial integrity established in the UN Charter and in Resolution 2758 passed by the General Assembly of UN in 1971. Resolution 2758 replaced the Republic of China with the People's Republic of China as China's representative in the UN.

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Flexible displays soon to be in production

March 17, 2005

Roll up displays for use in hand-held gadgets will be available for mass production by March 2007 according to co-developer Philips. Working with US based paper pioneer E-ink, Philips have developed a 13cm wide screen which is just 0.1 millimetres thick and can be rolled up so that it is only 15 millimetres in diameter.

The screen, which Philips hope to license to makers of in-car satellite navigation systems, mobile web browsers and smart phones, uses no back light and displays a monochrome image in four shades of grey as well as black and white. According to Philips the screen is able to give a “paper-like contrast”.

The screen consists of a backing layer of plastic film which contains a matrix of transistors. This is topped off with layer transparent “electronic ink” capsules and a layer of clear plastic. The capsules are approximately 50 micrometres in diameter and contain polarised black and white particles. Using the transistors, a pattern of positive and negative charge can be applied which manipulates the particles to form monochrome images.


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Actor Robert Blake acquitted

March 17, 2005

Visibly relieved and sobbing as the verdict was read, Robert Blake was acquitted on all counts and walked out of the courtroom yesterday a free man.

Charged with murdering his wife, the jury acquitted Blake due to lack of evidence. He was also charged with two counts of soliciting to have his wife Bonnie Lee Bakley killed. The jury acquitted him on one count, and the judge dismissed the second after the jury became deadlocked in an 11-1 vote. He was greeted by a crowd of cheering supporters outside the courthouse. The star of the television series Baretta crushed out one of his trademark cigarettes and spoke to the gathering, thanking his lawyers and private investigators who he described as, "This small band of dedicated warriors that saved my life."

In a speech that lasted 30 minutes, he talked of having to spend $10 million for his defense and said that he was now a poor man who needed a job. The 71 year-old actor also said he was ready to "cowboy it...Get in a motor home or van, feel the wind in my hair and find a little bar in Arizona or someplace."

The prosecution, which did not seek the death penalty, painted Blake as caught in a loveless marriage with Bakley. Tricked into marrying her by his love of their daughter Rosie, now 4, they claimed that he had felt trapped by a woman who had a history of being a low-life grifter. They alleged that Blake, frustrated after trying to find someone to kill his wife for him, killed her himself. They also claimed that he was the trigger man who, after dining with his wife in their favorite restaurant, put two bullets in her head as the two of them sat in their car outside.

The jury foreman in the trial, Thomas Nicholson, described the prosecution case against Blake as "flimsy." He said "they could never connect all the links in the chain. We couldn’t put the gun in his hand." Blake's defense team was also able to successfully discredit witnesses who testified on the solicitation charges.

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Tibetans demand that China release Panchen Lama boy

March 18, 2005

Tibetan activists are demanding that the People's Republic of China release Gedhun Choekyi Nyima and his family. Nyima, aged 16, is considered  the  11th  by Tibetan Buddhists. The Pachen Lama is the second-highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism.

Tibetan activists say that Nyima and his family were kidnapped by Chinese authorities on May 17, 1995, just days after the boy was recognized as the of the 10th Panchen Lama by the Dalai Lama. At that time the boy was 6 years old. Human rights groups claim that he is the youngest political prisoner ever.

The whereabouts of Nyima and his parents are unknown. The Chinese government claims to be protecting them because of death threats they have received and say that the boy is in school and that he and his family are happy.

Tibetans don't believe the government's version of the events and are campaigning for the Panchen Lama to be released. After the arrest of the Panchen Lama, China named a rival boy, Gyancain Norbu, the son of a communist, to the office. The new boy is not well supported by most parts of the Tibetan community.


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User talk:193.122.208.99

Welcome
193.122.208.99, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! CGorman 18:46, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:193.122.208.99