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Arguments for Option 2

 * 1) The majority of English speakers world-wide (including those for whom it's not their first language, however) use British English, not American English. Dan100 12:13, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe native speakers in India would state they speak Indian English. And if they are not yet the largest single block of English speakers, they soon shall be. (This is merely to point out there is no "British English", any more than there is a U.S. "English", but simply regional and dialectical variations. After all, standardized spelling itself is only about 200 years old, and a rather pointless "standard" imho.) - Amgine 00:34, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * According the the Wikipedia entry on the English language, 70.7% of English speakers use the American dialect, 15.9% use British, 4.9% use Canadian, 4.8% use Australian, and the remaining dialiects make up less than 4%.-- Davodd | Talk 20:01, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for Option 3
I voted for option 3 because options 1 and 2 are arbitrary (i.e. both are equivalently "good") and option 4 requires the writer to know the convention of the country that the article is about. Instead, I think option 3 allows initial authors to guide the style according to what they are familiar with. Instead of using the spelling of "labour" for articles written about British unions, an author in the United States would simply use the name "labor" they're familiar with. -- IlyaHaykinson 21:45, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Polls are divisive, and the last course for determining policy
First off, spelling is an element of the Style Guide, which is not policy but a guideline to improve the general readability and uniformity of articles. Our average contributors are not professional journalists, are never likely to be on average at the professional level, and we should be realistic about that.

Second element: Where has this subject developed into a problem? If no problem, why are we debating a policy?

Third, and finally: Have other methods of creating consensus been tried? Has there been a discussion anywhere about this topic? Has it been brought up on the water cooler pages? - Amgine
 * It is my hope that our polls are not divisive, but used as a tool to allow us to put aside personal assumptions to see how other Wikinews contributors see the world and the future of this project. The UK/U.S. issue has been brought up in various places - but most recently: Wikinews_talk:Style_guide. I suspect we will not reach a consensus on this particular poll, but we'll at least have these results to stimulate discussion that may lead to a future workable consenses policy. On a further note, the Style guide, too, is a proposed policy. -- Davodd | Talk 05:32, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Polls, excepting unanimous ones, are divisive. It is nearly the definition; a publication of differences.
 * It has been brought up occasionally, rarely, and even more rarely with a specific example at issue. The Style guide talk page is the appropriate place for the discussion, and the development of the Guide's approach. I would suggest: "There is no policy addressing dialectic spelling and grammar, specifically. Any regional spelling and/or grammar should be applied consistently throughout the article, and should be respected by other editors, and is not justification for an edit or revert war." - Amgine 06:16, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Key HIV gene discovered

January 9, 2005

Researchers from the Argentinian Garrahan Hospital, the CONICET (National Scientific and Technical Investigations Council), the University of Texas, and the Wilford Hall Medical Center discovered that quantities of a specific immunological gene in humans (CCL3L1) may have an effect on the contraction and development of HIV and AIDS.

According to the investigation, individuals with fewer copies of the gene are more prone to contract the virus in case of direct contact. Each additional copy of the gene reduced the chance of infection by 5-10%, according to a press release from the study's leader, Dr. Sunil Ahuja of the University of Texas.

The study is based upon the analysis of blood samples from 4308 subjects, including 800 children at Garrahan Hospital, located in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The gene may act upon "blocking substances" that are inside cells and have an important role in preventing infections, including the one brought on by HIV. Those cases which presented less quantities of this gene had a higher index of HIV+ infections, while the rest appeared to be more resistant.

The research was detailed in a paper published on January 6, 2005, through Science Magazine's online service, Science Express.

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Talk:Key HIV gene discovered

I just saw a comment from an IP address user editing this page if the pagename could be changed. So I did. But perhaps better name exists for this page, and in that case please "move" the page. You can move a page from here:

You need to log on to use that feature. And if you don't have one, you need to create an account. All you need is a username and a password. Tomos 03:45, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

An English language source would be helpful!

- Below are some English sources. However they mention the research site as National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and not CONICET. I wonder if there was some joint research done? There's also supposed to be an article in Science
 * ABC News Australia
 * Earthtimes.org
 * Google News cluster

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The study does not seem to mention that HIV itself has never been isolated, or proven to exist.

 * The same is also true of subatomic particles, photons, and the mechanisms of electricity, all of which you are using to make your comment. Please discuss articles on the talk page, and not in the body of the article itself. - Amgine 05:21, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Subatomic particles and photons have an overwhelming body of experimental evidence that supports their physical existence; the mechanisms of electricity are well understood and have been modeled in exquisite detail, check that your computer is working for additional evidence :> Onymous 81.217.21.244 10:24, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Check that people are dying of HIV/AIDS, Onymous. There is actually more research done on HIV, at the moment, than there has been on the physics of particles, photons, and electrons, surprising as that may be for you. In the 20 years of its research history HIV has revolutionized medicine twice, and created entire branches of biological and health research. And at least two specific virii have been isolated/proven to exist; probably more as I'm only on far periphery of that field. - Amgine

I added some English sources and tried to sort out where the research was done. I'm a little unsure on who the "first author" on the study is. Obviously, the first author listed in the Science Express article is Gonzalez, but the CONICET press release says that the study was written by Ahuja (I think-- my Spanish is weak at best), who is the last author. Ahuja's lab's press release refers to him as the "senior co-author," and somewebsites seem to agree. Any good ideas? Is the study's leader usually listed last? Pingswept 22:06, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Primary Investigators (PI) are the "big names" who sign the grant, and are responsible for it being accomplished. The First Author collates the research and makes the first draft of the paper, so they do the heavy work of writing and are often responsible for balancing the edits of the other researchers to turn out the other drafts as well. The PI may just be a name, or may have developed the idea for the research, written the funding grants, built the research team, conducted the research, written the paper, or may have shared these responsibilities equally, or simply been an administrator. Last Author is often a position of prestige; they may have had little to do with the actual research, but much to do with developing the methodology used, the research facility, or did the initial research which the article is analysing. The article may also be a sub-project of their over-arching grant or research facility, thus they have input but may not be directly administering this specific element.
 * But that is in research institutions in the U.S.A. Other settings may have different norms. For example, in the U.S. research grants pay for the university researcher's time; in Canada the researcher is expected to donate their time to the grant, while still fulfilling their academic responsibilities. Thus in Canada many researchers merely administrate their grants with others doing much of the hands-on work, simply because they don't have the time to do everything themselves. (This seems to be a more common academic model world-wide, in my limited experience.) - Amgine 07:16, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Importance of this discovery
The headline of this story should probably be changed. The importance of this study is the finding of correlation between different genetic profiles and immunity to HIV -- or probably more accurately expressed as "susceptibility to" HIV. A subsidiary finding that is quite important for the use of genetic profiling in preventive and diagnositic medicine more broadly is that the profiles differed by ethnic group -- not that one group was more immune than another, but that the profile that correlated with immunity was different. So different measurements would need to be applied to determine likelihood of immunity depending on ethnicity.

Here's the Reuters writeup. The study is available via Science magazine on their Science Express.

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Wiki sites share ad revenue with editors
WoW... will the billboards blink and the advertisers scream?... Ya, sell sell sell, ain't nobody selling anything here. -Edbrown05 08:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

See my response at Ed's page.
 * Tom Sawyer never painted my fence. -Edbrown05 06:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean...Do you mean instead that you never painted Tom Sawyer's fence? (i.e., that you won't be fooled into doing work for someone else). If the latter, then fine...The original posting I put up was a business news article--not begging people (or providing a hard-sell), so I'm not trying to get you to do work for me anyways. However, even if I were, the situation would be different from that of Tom Sawyer, as Tom, as I recall, didn't want to do any work himself, and he didn't provide any reward to the fence painters he enticed besides a psychological one.

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'Noise' takes on 'Fockers' in weekend box office race

January 7, 2005

After two weekends of box office domination, Universal Pictures' Meet the Fockers will be challenged for the top spot by horror film White Noise, also from Universal, which opens in wide release Friday. To be considered in wide release, a film must open or play in at least 1,000 theatres throughout the U.S. and Canada. With Noise being the only new wide release movie for the weekend, it looks to take advantage of movie goers looking from a change from holiday themed film fare.

Noise is a come-back attempt for Michael Keaton, who hasn't had a hit movie since 1992's Batman Returns. But according to one critic, this film may not be a comeback hit for Keaton.

"White Noise never gives skeptics a chance to enjoy the film. I also suspect even believers will be bored," Jack Garner, film critic for Gannet News Service said. Garner's not alone in panning the film. According to web site RottenTomatoes.com, 87 percent of film critics in its survey have given the film a bad review.

"The nominal thriller White Noise is worthy neither of Michael Keaton's talents nor even a desperate horror fan's attention," Manohla Dargis, film critic for the New York Times, said.

But not all reviews were bad. Hollywood Reporter critic, Kirk Honeycutt said, "Even though logic takes a holiday in White Noise, Geoffrey Sax, a British television director making his theatrical debut, lavishes enough craft on the paranormal thriller to send more than a few chills down the spine."

The movie faces stiff competition as five other films have a wider release, playing in more theatres and reaching a larger potential audience. Universal's Meet the Fockers, the sequel to 2000's Meet the Parents is playing in about 1,000 more theatres than Noise and could dominate the box office for a third weekend.

'Fockers', starring Ben Stiller, Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman and Barbra Streisand, has made $186.5 million since its release Dec. 22, according to Box Office Mojo.

Wide release films for the weekend of Jan. 7
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Discovery of the most powerful explosion in the Universe

January 7, 2005

Calculations based on data from the Chandra orbiting telescope show the explosion in Galaxy cluster MS 0735 is the largest known anywhere in the universe. The explosion is thought to have been fueled by a supermassive blackhole consuming over 300 million stars over hundreds of thousands of years. MS 075 is 2.6 billion light years from Earth.


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User talk:202.88.137.35

Welcome
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 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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User talk:67.136.146.55

Welcome
67.136.146.55, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 19:06, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:Nw~enwikinews

Welcome
Nw, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Nw. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Nw~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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User:Cap'n Refsmmat/ScienceNews

This page is out of date. It has been abandoned long ago.

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User talk:Cap'n Refsmmat/ScienceNews

If you have any comments about my column, make them here.

"Watch your pants" source:  --merriam 22:33, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks. Cap'n Refsmmat 22:37, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Typos/Errors
If you find any typos or errors, report them here. You can fix them if you want, but tell me what you did first (in the case of a major error, tell me but please do not fix it). If you find it but don't want to/don't have time to fix it, report it and I'll check it ASAP. Thank you. Cap'n Refsmmat 00:11, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh... found one in the above paragraph. Fixed. Cap'n Refsmmat 21:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Template this?
Just a suggestion, but if you want you could create single page (such as User:Cap'n Refsmmat/ScienceNewsTemplate) and an archive (such as User:Cap'n Refsmmat/ScienceNewsArchive), and then put only a single news blurb in the template at a time. When you have a new news item, add the old one to the archive first, then replace it in the template.

The reason for this is that other users can then include your ScienceNewsTemplate in their pages, or in one of the News articles. The way they can do it is to add to a page and it will automagically be inserted there. You could put it in a sized box, and then it would be possible to set it into other pages whereever the person would like.

See what I mean? - Amgine 00:59, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's a great idea. So this is like a thing so they can have the latest article on their page? Would I make it Template:Blah blah or just User:Cap'n Refsmmat and so on? I thought templates were preceded by Template:
 * I'll work on getting this done tomorrow if I have time. Thanks. Cap'n Refsmmat 03:31, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikinews templates are in the template namespace. But a feature of the mediawiki software is to allow any page to be included in another by placing the page name in curly braces. So, until your column becomes "official", users may choose to use your userspace page as a "user template". (now if I could just come up with another use of "user" ...) - Amgine 03:34, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did that, but now when I change the template it doesn't show the changes. This is just odd. Cap'n Refsmmat 20:19, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind that, I used the article purge thing you showed me on my talk page (after modifying the link to be my page) and now everythings good. Hope you like it. I'm adding instructions on how to use them soon. Cap'n Refsmmat 20:24, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good job on your Science column
Thanks for taking the time to compile such interesting items.

As a reader with high cholesterol, I'm interested in the item "A vaccine for heart disease!". Do you have any more details about this item?

I hope your Science column can get a link on the main page. Your choice of items has a lot of personality.

Regards,

— DV 03:50, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I second DV's praise. I think this is well-written and provides actual news in a format that's much easier to write than a full article. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:54, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much.
 * DV--the treatment will be entering human trials in just a few years. If I have a chance I'll look back to give you all of the statistics, but the one I remember is that the mice lost 70% of their plaque compared to the control mice. The antibodies themselves destroyed plaque and prevented it from building up for several weeks, with the effects starting extremely quickly. Cap'n Refsmmat 20:43, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New template
Anyone have ideas to make the page look better or to re-design it? Also, to whoever was on IRC, sorry for getting off so abruptly. I just keep closing the wrong tab... Cap'n Refsmmat 22:08, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Naming conventions

Naming conventions is a list of guidelines on how to appropriately create and name articles.

Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.

Following consistent conventions in both naming and linking makes it more likely that links will lead to the right place. However, these are conventions, not rules written in stone. As Wikinews develops some conventions which once made sense may become outdated. Generally speaking, failure to follow a single convention by itself is not justification for moving or revert-moving articles without consensus on the article's talk page. But when in doubt, follow convention.

Capitalization
Convention: Headlines should be written in downstyle capitalization, as our style guide says. In downstyle, only the initial word and proper nouns are capitalized. In upstyle headlines, or title case, all nouns and most other words with more than four letters are capitalized.

Downstyle (aka minimal) headlines are popular with most online and many print media publications.
 * Downstyle: "Powell to lead U.S. delegation to Asian tsunami region".
 * Upstyle: "Powell to Lead U.S. Delegation to Asian Tsunami Region".

According to a 2004/2005 poll about capitalization for headlines, downstyle emerged as the generally preferred method, but no consensus was reached.

Punctuation
Convention: Headlines are complete sentences without ending punctuation.

Tense
Convention: Headlines should be written with verbs and in the present tense.

Specifying location
Convention: Use geographical location in titles to disambiguate where necessary. Use the larger geographical entity which is most internationally recognizable. (U.S., not state or city except when state or city is more relevant — "California Legislature defies U.S. Congress".)

Do not use location where unnecessary. For example: President Bush faces some tough questioning, not U.S. President Bush faces some tough questioning. Pope John Paul II dies, not Pope John Paul II dies at the Vatican.

Dates in titles
Convention: Articles are not required to include a dateline in the title.

Dates of any form are not required in the title, neither are they prohibited from the title. The presence or lack of a date in the title is not justification for moving the article, nor for revert moving the article.

A poll to require dates for successful peer review failed to pass on Dec. 18, 2004.

Use active, not passive, voice
Convention: Use the active voice in article titles.

Try to attribute an action to someone: instead of "U.S. Troops shot by insurgents in North Baghdad" say "Insurgents shoot troops in North Baghdad, killing three".

Avoid the use of acronyms
Convention: Use the full name of countries and organizations, except when the acronym is more commonly known and/or when the length would be prohibitive.

Examples of the exception might be NASA, CIA, and AIDS.

Use English words
Convention: Name your article using English and place the other language transliteration on the first line of the article unless the other language form is more commonly used in English than the English form.

Use common names of persons and things
Convention: Use the most common name of a person or thing which does not conflict with the names of other people or things.

Be careful with special characters
Some special characters either cannot be used or can but cause problems. For example, you should not use a piping character (|), curly braces ({}), or square braces ([]) in a title.

Titles must not begin with an interlanguage or interwiki link code followed by a colon. For example a page with the title FR:example will be forwarded to the French Wikinews. wikipedia:example will go to Wikipedia.

In certain cases,  can be used to insert underscores and de-capitalize the first letter of the title.

See also Wikipedia's overview of restrictions on page title.

Focus Project
Building an article to track news articles focused on a specific topic, such as 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami, are special Wikinews projects which require additional maintenance. There is no specific convention on naming such a project, however there are some suggestions for best practice:
 * If the topic is a specific event in time, include a reference to the date in the title.
 * Avoid overly-broad topics. "Betting Odds" could cover everything from all sporting events, to outcomes of political votes and celestial events. A narrower scope allows others to more easily determine if their work should be included or not. If possible, such a project should have a reasonably limited time frame, up to a few months, as well.
 * Discuss the project on the Water cooler, to gauge support for the project.

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User talk:65.127.186.238

Welcome
65.127.186.238, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 22:27, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
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When Wikinews is not news
I fear editors here are taking a Wikipedicentric view of articles and not recognizing that consumers of news rarely go back to an article written days (or even hours) ago. And almost NEVER go back and re-read an article already viewed. That is why it is odd to me that people continue to update already-published days-old articles (reports) instead of writing a new article with a fresh angle. This isn't WP - it's WN - and we need to realize that the audience will not change the way it reads news to accommodate our little project or desire to make an older article better or "more complete." So, we'd better change the way we think of articles to accommodate our readers. If an article is a day old and you have new information, write a NEW article with that new information as the lead. Davodd 02:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I notice that a lot of mainstream news sites recycle material from earlier stories in follow up stories. When a follow up story doesn't stand on its own, it seems like a good idea to recycle a portion of the original story, in addition to providing a link to the previous story in a "Related Stories" section. I'm curious if anyone else thinks this recycling practice is acceptable, or how one should decide what to recycle. — DV 07:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * 1. (linking to previous articles) Value of a story increases when it becomes a part of a continuous coverage or special report. See, for example Lycos Europe ends its anti-spam campaign, Ukraine political crisis. Many people read/watch/listen to news sporadically, rather than daily, and that means having an archive of related stories would help them.
 * 2. (editing old articles) I do understand your concern that editing days-old articles is less valuable. But if we were to give up old articles, would we simply keep them as incomplete/biased/inaccurate? Would we delete them? Either option does not sound very attractive, and I sometimes feel like polishing them is the best choice. But I could be wrong on this. I am interested to know what others think. Tomos 08:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It is common practice (and helpful to the reader) when writing a follow-up story, to recap background details later on in the story. My suggestion: To write a followup, then have a links section to related articles (or previous news on the same topic). Davodd 09:42, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we need to edit stories that are incorrect, biased, etc. Articles that don't fit our content or style criteria should be changed. However, if there is new news since the time the original article was written, that should be a separate article. If there's enough of these articles, we should probably have what I'm terming an "In Depth" topic page — like our current page on the tsunami disaster. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:38, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Do you think the in-depth type of story would be more appropriate at Wikipedia? If not, what would distinguish a WN in-depth feature from being a duplicate or in competition with a WP article? Isn't it a waste of resources, when we could just as easily point to WP for in-depth rather that try to duplicate that type of breadth here? Davodd 09:47, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I think the in-depth pages need to summarize the current event (after all, in theory Wikipedia should not be doing that — that's Wikinews's job; an encyclopedia's primary job is not news), but more specifically the in-depth page should be linking to the individual articles in a timeline fashion, showing how the news developed. It's not the best example because it's incomplete, but Ukraine political crisis kind of shows what I am referring to. I firmly believe that when people show up at Wikinews they will want context for their stories and we need to provide them such context without relying on Wikipedia to be as up to date on issues as we will be (especially when this deals with more local issues). -- IlyaHaykinson 10:47, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure this is the case. I can see two main ways in which people will access Wikinews.  One is by bookmarking the main page, and logging in daily to read the latest news.  The second is to follow a particular story.  For example I'm regularly reloading the Indian Ocean Earthquake page at the moment.  It would be even better if each page had an associated RSS feed that I could subscribe to so I would know when pages I was interested in had been updated.  Both options have merits.  There is no point having access to an old version of the Indian Ocean Earthquake page in my view - this is the 'overview' or summary page of the incident as it unfolds.  This is not print - we don't have to reprint the page every time there's an update.  This is not broadcast news - it is possible to re-edit old news.  This is what Wikinews should take advantage of.  However there will be plenty of spin-off stories that will deserve their own pages (lack of news in Myanmar, relief response, local stories etc etc... and they should all be linked to from the overview page as well as standing up in their own right.  Karim 09:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Sure, mistakes should be corrected. My fear is that the vision you present of Wikinews could put it in direct competition with Wikipedia as being a repository of information on non-breaking news items. I believe the strength of this project is that it can be a breaking news source that taps into the huge population of Internet users who can give timely, up-to-the-minute reports from every corner of the globe. The main weakness of Wikinews that I sense from some editors here is a dot-com-era type of arrogance that "the old ways" of journalism are outdated and do not apply here. They do. Wikipedia is Internet news - and it is competing with thousands of voices (as can be seen on ) and our older articles will be lost in the rush. It's a fact of life we must recognize. That said, I believe that our old articles will be very valuable as "clippings" or resources for Wikipedia. Davodd

 * The wikipedia article on THE earthquake is better than the wikinews one. Further, the wikinews one appears to be essentially an OLDER version of the Wikipedia article - rather than the other way around. Something is very off here.  At first I thought maybe wikinews should be a subset of wikipedia, just have "current news" labeled wikipedia articles formated automaticlly onto a wikinews place/site/skin/whatever. Then I saw Davodd's comments and I thought maybe a 24 hour timeout thing might work. Perhaps like this: Any article created on wikinews disappears from wikinews after 24 hours, but goes to wikipedia for archive/deletion/whatever. Maybe identifying where it goes after 24 hours could be part of the article, like the title and its subject categoriy. ( And on a different area of concern about wikinews altogether - PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE PRODUCT PLACEMENT WITH NEWS (e.g. "Microsoft announces ".) -- anonymous

 * Unfortunately, the "newer" article on Wikipedia has also been prone to wild speculation and unsupported numbers. This type of sensationalism will be deadly for Wikinews.

 * I challenged the one user here who merely copied numbers from Wikipedia to provide a citation, as Wikipedia cannot be relied upon as a primary source. Unfortunately, he came and left.

 * We have to cite numbers that either come directly from officials of the affected countries, or from news organizations with reporters that are directly confirming their numbers with those officials.

 * Otherwise we have zero credibility.

 * I rather wait and have a slightly "older" article than Wikipedia, if that's what it takes to get the numbers right.

 * However, if we had more firsthand reporting (there was a Wikipedian from Chennai who posted some of the pictures) we would have a much more compelling story to tell without having to resort to speculating on "feared dead" numbers, (or posting dubious relief agency addresses and phone numbers), just to keep our article "newer" than everyone else.

 * I hope we're not so compelled to get the "scoop" over Wikipedia that we lower our what little standards we have so far.

 * — DV 12:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What benefit does Wikinews provide, redundancy aside?
Ok, so we have the wikipedia article on the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, and the Wikinews article on Strongest earthquake in 40 years hits Southeast Asia. We have the wikipedia template for current events, and we have a likewise disclaimer on wikinews for current events. Both are articles, both are NPOV. The Wikipedia article is vastly better and provides more information. The Wikinews article links to a bunch of wikipedia articles and copies the content, simply writing it in a different style. Further, Wikipedia has on its main page an "In the news" section, and those articles are updated to reflect the changes. In addition, Wikipedia has a current events page.

So essentially, we have two wikis reporting the same information in likewise articles that are simply written differently. I don't see the point. I'd rather see all of our resources pooled to the other projects rather than continuous and unnecessary decentralization. This project defeats one of Wikipedia's biggest advantages: it is accurate up to the second. (maybe that sounds like a pipedream ideology but just you wait a few years) --Alterego 07:58, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My take is that Wikipedia is good for writing a large issue, long-term events, etc. Things like local news and small news stories are not good for Wikipedia. See list of articles on Science and technology, or Category:Politics and conflicts, for example. Many of them do not find any place in Wikipedia because they are not encyclopediac enough. Tomos 08:24, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Wikipedia's strength are for historically significant news items and for reasonably 'static' data. Wikinews feels like it's strength would be in topical and volatile items - stuff that needs a lot of detail today but loses all relevance after a week or so. If an article grows and starts treating the topic comprehensively, then that's probably a good candidate for migrating it over into Wikipedia. BryceHarrington 09:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The main answer to the question presented is: Wikinews is news; Wikipedia is history. Sure there will be some overlap of subject matter, but the emphasis and calling for each project is different. Davodd | Talk 23:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Wikinews should post detailed information about every single event related to the earthquake, while Wikipedia should contain summaries of these events (which could link to the Wikinews articles). I think we should not have "report" type pages on Wikinews that are very similar to Wikipedia articles.--Eloquence


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Wikinews:Water cooler/miscellaneous/Archive

Archives for the Miscellaneous section of the Water Cooler.

The current archive is Archive 19.

 * Archive 1
 * Topics covered: When Wikinews is not news, What benefit does Wikinews provide, redundancy aside?,

 * Archive 2
 * Topics covered: Templates and 'edit' links, A message of thanks, Media news entrepreneur's thoughts on Wikinews, Wikinews:Welcommittee, Time to choose a logo for Wikinews, Chose our new logo!, Original research, First Column--Science and Technology News, We have a new logo ...maybe!, Logo Discussion (refactor of current threads), WN:WBDU

 * Archive 3
 * Topics covered: Slashdot comment on Wikinews, 1,500 Wikinewsies and counting..., Main Page design, A webcast we might be interested in, Ugly box on every page

 * Archive 4
 * Topics covered: Please provide URL for the original "Talk" page for Earth story

 * Archive 5
 * Topics covered: Wikinews Design Contest, Wikinews network crash...sabotage?, NPOV e.g. Afghanistan was categorized by reporter, Condoleezza Rice, as being"on the verge of becoming a narcotics state.", Wikinews:Writing contest, Invite to help edit w:Apple v. Does, New wiki, Logo font, Californians interested in tech?, Facts, Crossword dead links on front page, Wackynews, Category The Vatican, Piped links, New column, Format of articles, "News Sites Solicit Articles", Jiang Zemin dead?, NPOV: Hundreds of thousands to lose 'fresh start' as Bush signs bankruptcy bill, Wikistats Monthly growth indicators, Wikimedia Projects by Size of Registered User Base:, Wikinews Original Reporting contest of May 2005, Interwikies are almost gone, Wikinews link to www.wikinews.org gives 404 error, Conflict following an edit war on President Bush marks end of WWII; reports circulate his Grandfather helped Hitler

 * Archive 6
 * Topics covered: Stewards election, new user directory based on categories and dpls, Transwiki to Wikinews from Wikipedia, Administrators meetings on IRC, Deletion, Wikinews in Google news, Categories, Please help the lost Wikinewsies who are wandering the encyclopaedia, "the New York Times reported the site appeared "blocked", As I just wrote on the page you deleted :, Requests for de-adminship, Remove "WNN", Wow, Permission to use the Wikinews logo in a Barnstar?, Wikinews:Breaking news, Project close to passing 2 new milestones, Call for nominations: news excellence awards for WIKIMANIA 2005, WOW!!! Wikinews Blasts off. Congrats to all, Work Experience?, California meetup, More breaking news, Monthly Wiki growth rates - WN has fastest-growing user base, English language Wikimedia Projects by Size of Registered User Base:, Favicom, Babel, Wikinews World Report, Running Wikinews World Report With Nicecast, Images in Wikinews, Potential sources for World News

 * Archive 7
 * Topics covered: We're too good damnit, wget user-agent in access statistics, Crossword returneth, where to apply for adminship?, Do a lot of Wikinews articles get re-published?, Restarting the writing contest, Can we get some more cities on that weather map?, Babel templates, Point of wikinews?, Automatically Generated RSS Feed, Missing article, Forbes Global CEO Conference in Sydney, New monthly user stats:, A Wiki For original writings, Category turned to redirect to Portal

 * Archive 8
 * Topics covered: Searchable image repository, Seeking and using opinions from experts in articles, blogs or wiki in printed newspaper, Portals, Does size matter?, Amgine and Neutralizer Mediation is Complete, Wikimedia on the BBC, Vote on MrMiscellanious, Do wikinews credentials have any career usage?, Are we allowed to use Wikinews to promote something where we can make money?, Please, can anyone explain this?, Let the Stewards decide, were now found by google when you search for cc-stuff, what? u on the the meat and potato page?, Wikinews statistics, Opportunity for some original reporting - United States, Just noticed we're being mirrored, I tried to call on IRC but no response..., Eyewitness reports, Server speed, Streamlining New Orleans, Science of Champagne Bubbles Explained, Another Mirror, What's your motivation?, Deleted Article on Iraqi Prisoner Abuse, If I were a CIA agent, "Conspiracy Nuts", DeLay article deleted?

 * Archive 9
 * Topics covered: Interview with Jimbo Wales, The QuakeAID story, Blog mention, How to approach on ongoing event, Blanking request, Interview of the month, are we in for future vanity/nonsense/non-notable articles?, wording on water cooler, Question on policy summary availability, RedBolivia.com, Interviewing the illustrious "Jimbo" Wales, Chinese Wikinews, What a wipe out, Wikinews:Stop_Loss, Google News listing, Wikinews domains, IOTM- Feb 06, Another interview with Jimbo Wales

 * Archive 10
 * Topics covered: Jyllands-Posten Muhammad drawings, Muhammad cartoons deleted, Domain names again - how about australia.wikinews.org?, Spelling error(s), Accountability of Administrators, Mohammed cartoons infobox, Some media attention, Message for all photographers at Torino 2006 Olympics, Just what MrM needs, Wikinews chat, Man Steals Cop Car makes WikiNews. Man SHOOTS Cop doesn't. Mmmm., Thoughts on actionable objections, New article count statistics and Wikinews growth, Be Bold, Removal of my username from WN:A, Blocking times, email user not working?, next date, Wikinews interview with Katelyn Tarver, Wikinews number 9 on list of Technorati Popular Blogs, Babel restored, Nyarlathotep's thoughts on userboxes, Who really stuffed the UPP?, Dull, boring, but needed... Date-based Categories, Problem with categories, Original article about demonstation in Paris last saturday, Template to use on Commons for images in Wikinews articles, Interview questions needed: Chris Cerf, Hotel article, Request received on "Request an interview" page, IOTM for April, Questions on methods and tactics for policy proposal and adoption, Question on past discussion and proposal to write authoritative procedures, Questions on administrator declaration conflicts, Music, Can we(should we) identify and not re-distribute PSYOPS messages?, Proposal to support core policy over particular interpretations of current policy, Update on Jimbo Wales interview, IRC link at the top hasn't worked in over a week, For Professionalism, Front page local, is anglo/american centric point of view terminology systemic in English news?, Discussion of anglo-american NPOV, I've issued myself a personal challenge, join me, Who decides what shows up on the front page?, Possible sabatoge involving Requests for Administrators., Wikinews2 on IRC, Writing Contest

 * Archive 11
 * Topics covered: Audio Wikinews, Reasons for the block of International, Wikinews Censorship Aspect of Cowicide Ban, Possible sabatoge involving Requests for Administrators., Wikinews2 on IRC, Writing Contest, Request for interview from candidate for US senate, Lower standards?, Is Wikinews Failing ?, Email your photographs to Wikinews, Who has control of Wikinews right now?, Reporting hoax news, News ticker, New user welcome messages, Lead article, AlterNet about Wikinews, Usage of Sources, Open Source Views Logo, Interview questions for "Pirate Party" leader, know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. —John 8:32, Wikinews-is it facing a bleak future?, DragonFire's RfdA-athon, Trademark claim, Working towards compromise, Revising articles, Researchers discover giant asteroid impact crater in Antarctica, Turnover of active editors, Bot @ pt.wikinews, Uncertain of licensing, The New Water Cooler, Am I imagining this? Even down to the attack on the UN?, Original reporting disputed tag, Briefs vandal, The tale of the wikinewsies finally finished, Template Icons, Regulation of the use of words such as "jihad"., info box for airplane scares, Site notice, Thank you everyone, Images question, Lead protection, Project reporting?, Another collaborative journalism site, Global Networking, Images of Earth, Non-english sources, http://wikinews.com/, Discussion moved from WN:ALERT

 * Archive 12
 * Topics covered: Money, Diffuz a free culture festival in Montpellier, France, pass the word !, And I'm back, Oscars photos -- cancelled, James Hare Wikinews Contest, James Doohan, Star Trek's 'Scotty', dies at 85, Wikinews reporting cited by press, What's wrong with Wikinews & Jimbo about citizen journalism, Kion okazis?, Ségolène Royal News Article Is Old News, Steward elections, main page leads protected, link to talk page on dispute tags

 * Archive 13
 * Topics covered: Template:U, Google News, DynamicPageList2, Original and "on-the-scene" reporting, missed prepared story, Wikilinks and such, Newsroom, I don't like "Winners, HomeSense computers hacked" as a headline, Stats, Annie Awards, Shorts formatting, In the News - content, WikiNews Widget, Wikinews in the media, Markers for used content?, Oscar party, Presidential hopefuls, Windows Vista mirroring us, New Zealand boobs on bikes parade article, AKon visit to Borderfest 2007, NCAA championship week, how to publish an article, zombietime Israel airstrike ambulance story and hoax articles, newscast audio wikinews and broadcasting, PACER, State of the News Media 2007, Category:Product recalls, United States Water, Assignment Zero reporting on "crowdsourcing", MESSEDROCKER farewell, April fool's and Alleged Main Page, Wackynews section on main page, Gizmo Project for free calls, Sports writer admins, Wikinews Shorts, Accredited Press Gallery members for New Zealand Parliament, Code Of Conduct Proposed For Blogosphere =?= Wikimedia censorship, How has Wikimedia Changed your Life?, site background, template for crediting images in caption, Category:World, Mozilla Strong Arms Individual Devs, HD-DVD vandalism with link from Digg.  SQL Query on Meta, Can I add news from the past?, Bloomberg Article, This image seems not to work as a thumb., Wikinews on Commons, Flickr

 * Archive 14
 * Topics covered: Google news/community mirror, Wiktionary Words in the News, Content of Wikinewsreports blog, Template:Commentthis, Grants available for local news tech, Blog CC-BY-2.5?, Wikimania, let's create link to Wikipedia, Benoit confession on Digg.com, London/Glasgow Car Bombings, The NYT on Wikinews, Category:Media files on Wikimedia Commons, Please vote, Wikinews mentioned in The Times (Times of London), You can't make this stuff up, Wikinewsie.org, a main page redesign, Javascript code for no title on main page?, Wikinews revamp, Fuss affecting reputation, Widget Wikinews RSS, Misinformation in bio, scraped by eontarionow, I will do the design for Wikinewsie.org, Wikinewsie.org, redesign, Another site copying without attribution, 10 things you did not know about Wikipedia, User:DragonFire1024 mentioned in "The Phily Inquirer", 9,991 articles !, Proper format for election coverage, Ontario ; David Shankbone interview project, Front Page Photo of Iraq Police with misleading heading, Brooklyn Book Festival, Google News, New Shankbone Interview, Format for Wikinews articles in Wikipedia, Phone interview, Wikinews Interview with John Vanderslice, Wikinews interview with Presidential Candidate w:Tom Tancredo, Iranian President Protest, Iranian President Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia University, Archiving, Bat for Lashes plays the Bowery Ballroom: an Interview with Natasha Khan, Indirect Main page vandalism, Stats, Template boxes, Wikinews Tip line, Obesity and the Fat Acceptance Movement: Kira Nerusskaya speaks, Wikipedia discussion of Nerusskaya interview on w:Obesity, Sam Brownback on running for President, gay rights, the Middle East and religion, Getting interviews, Journalist Interview project, Audio files, Our tool is broken, Danish Wikinewsies? (Danish Prime Minister calls an election for 2007)

 * Archive 15
 * Topics covered: Shimon Peres, Wikinews on Wikipedia, I want to help; how you can help me help (verifiability, OR), Addressing Jimbo's request, Changes to Shankbone's interviews, To my fellow Wikinewsies (Wikipedia/Wikinews), Become a Fan of Wikinews on Facebook, Second Top Model interview, The Wikinews Importer Bot, Something worth looking @?, New regional portal footers?, Wikinews goes to Rio de Janeiro, Prolific POV-pusher moving from Wikipedia to Wikinews, Highest ratings EVER, Please close, radio station, Wikimania 2008, Two Top Model interviews done and to be published, Wikinews:Browse, Michael Lucas, New York's King of Porn and outspoken social critic, Jessica Sierra, COI, van Canto, LACROSSE!!, Brian Pink interview, Interesting comment, Petition against EU copyright extension, WN:Research, Inauguration of the Research Desk, Local publicity for wikis, Wikipedia, There goes the neighborhood, David Shankbone goes to Rio de Janeiro for Wikinews/Commons, Tribeca Film Festival, Blatant copyright infringement, Story suggestion, Accredited Reporter business cards (nine designs), Reliability of Prensa Latina, Rachel Marsden / Jimbo Wales / Wikipedia story, Scientology protests, Unfree images, Merkey Responds, Nice front page, David Shankbone's New York Meet-up Presentation on his Wikinews and Wikipedia work

 * Archive 16
 * Topics covered: Collaborative Media Network (aka Wikinews Foundation V2);Wikinews in book by presidential candidate; Wikipedia Review Discussion; Rubenstein Public Relations; Wikinews Article Stats Update; Shankbone interviewed; Wikinews article hits front page of Digg.com while undergoing Deletion request; Length of time that candidate discussions sit at WN:FAC; CNN video, Front Page - "Wikipedia Wars"; Wikimedia Foundation blog post mentions Wikinews; Wikinews in Consultation with David Kaufman - May 11; Wikinews on Alexa; OJR is looking for us; Featured article copyedit drive?; Major WMF announcement: board restructuring; Official Election Notice; Petition; Suggestion; Wikipedia porn; Wikipedia Review and Danny talking about WN; Encyclopedia Dramatica Exposes WR and Daniel Brandt for Spying; Deleted Wikinews aritlces appearing on Wikileaks; Jimbo's Admin; Wikipedia usage again; Google News; Cool AWB add-on; Globe and Mail: The Wiki business plan; Collaborative Media Network - Status update

 * Archive 17
 * Topics covered: Google news?; Reporters anywhere can participate in Phoenix Lander news conference(s); Journalism quality declining in US?; Admins; "Nobody's Safe in Cyber Space"; The Canadian Press on Wikinews and citizen journalism; Phoenix Lander; Credential reconfirmation; YouTube Wikinews; We have stats; No article left behind; Involvement of Journalism schools with Wikinews; Tips for Reporting on a conference; Recruitment and retention; Mobile Wikinews; Proposal to disable hotlinking

 * Archive 18
 * Topics covered: Wikipedia 'display case' page; Proposal for new verification method on WN; Anthrax case; Latest News on Wikipedia Article View Stats; It appears China has been cheating in gymnastics; Interview at Accra climate negotiations; possible COI Issues; Google Chrome...; Pet hates or gripes; Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the United Nations 2008; The Telegraph (UK) plagiarizes Wikipedia?; 700,000 edits; AutoArchiving; Getting more articles... a different approach; Freedom of Information request sent to US Department of Defense

 * Archive 19
 * Topics covered: SpinSpotter, the tool we should never need, Wikinewsie and scoop@wikinewsie.org, Mediawiki:Copyright, Add babel boxes to your user page, WikiVoices/Wikinews: talk about Wikinews and create an article in a real time environment today, Sitenotice, Fundraiser banner, New York City Proposition 8 Protest Photos, Wikinews:Great ideas has a live incoming link, "Message to Scientology" video, Dispute over addition of video to archive, Update template, CC-by content science and technology site, Overview of the year 2008, Australian stats, soon to be CC, File namespace, Picture of the year, Translated quotations, Getting other languages in Google news, Is Template:Xt obsolete?, Swearing on comments pages, Good news articles, Wikinews is interviewing the new Icelandic PM, Britannica interview, Interview with Jimmy Wales, BBC English test, Wikimania 2009, Editing the sidebar, Budget voice recorders, CallGraph for Skype, and interview transcribing, Main Page news ticker issues, Picture of the year 2008, Google News and Wikinews, Wikinews:Writing contest, Template:Image info, Wikinews business card, Reviewer user group, Minor oddity, Wikimania 2009: Scholarships, Category:Rugby, Audio Template(s), W:WP:TWINKLE, Editcountitis, Whoop!, GeoCities, Swine Flu Infobox, Reviving Wikinewsie Editors' Blog


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User talk:24.18.141.200

Welcome
24.18.141.200, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 02:25, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:69.119.123.118

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 02:43, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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User talk:209.74.63.71

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- IlyaHaykinson 02:44, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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User:Ford

O.T. Ford
Generalist in world studies, based in Los Angeles, but originally from West Lafayette, in Hoosierland. Particular interest in recent history, geography, language and symbols, and the nature and practice of dominion. Proponent of transcendent rationalism, and its corollary, stewardship.

Primary locations of my work: O.T. Ford — essays and commentaries Earth as it is — research on the state of the world

And a personal page: Of The Ford

Accuracy and neutrality will surely be accepted principles here, even if not fully implemented. I would further stress two things, one a matter of neutrality and the other a matter of accuracy:

1. News must be reported from a global perspective, even if this is the English version of Wikinews. Small matters happening in anglophone countries do not merit inclusion, while major events happening in non-anglophone countries do. This should probably be apparent, but it will likely be ignored by many anyway.

2. News, and background to news reports, must be about the world de facto. It does not matter, for instance, if every member of the United Nations agrees to recognize a particular “fact”. If it is not in accord with reality, then it is a biased viewpoint, regardless of how many “authorities” claim it.

I am primarily active in Wikipedia.

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User talk:Ford

Welcome!
- Amgine 02:52, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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2005/01/08 Tsunami aid donations in 2005 deductible for 2004 in the U.S.

January 8, 2005

U.S. citizens donating in 2005 to help tsunami victims may write off their donations on their 2004 tax returns, thanks to a bill quickly passed in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate on a voice vote, and signed into law by president George W. Bush.

Without the new law, contributors would have waited until 2006 and their 2005 tax returns to be able to write off their charitable donations. The law is intended to promote donating towards the tsunami relief effort.

CBS News reports Indiana University's Center on Philanthropy is estimating approximately 322 million U.S. dollars in goods and cash have been donated by private U.S. citizens and corporations, in addition to the 350 million that was promised by the government.

An AP/ISOS poll has found three in ten U.S. citizens have donated to Tsunami Aid organizations.


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User talk:63.189.208.224

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User talk:24.21.139.121

Welcome, and thanks for your edits!
It is greatly appreciated if you add an "edit summary" which briefly describes your edit when you save it. It makes it easier to figure out when changes were made when looking at the article's history. - Amgine 03:38, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:216.41.53.211

Welcome!
Wikinews is open to anyone to edit articles, but we request that experimenting happen in the Sandbox, or on your own user pages. You'll find things are easier if you create your own account. And we're always glad to help out; feel free to leave questions on my talk page!

- Amgine 03:48, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:216.254.20.15

Welcome
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User talk:212.145.69.24

Welcome
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User talk:Xcjm

Welcome
Xcjm, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! -- Davodd | Talk 04:16, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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this and that
Thanks for those edits! I appreciate removal of this and that where reasonably possible. - Amgine 04:27, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and welcome to Wikinews!

Thanks so much! I was kinda surprised when people where instantly receptive to a couple minor edits. :-) friendliness. Xcjm 04:33, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, spending the day correcting spelling, typos, etc., and reversing inappropriate edits ("Can I type in this article and will it save? Oh! It does!")... it's rather nice to see constructive edits. - Amgine

Bulgarian soldier
Thanks for your input. Feel free to remove the deletion request and warning notices if you feel they aren't justified; such actions are the right of any editor. Dan100 (Talk) 21:56, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:2005/01/08 Tsunami aid donations in 2005 deductible for 2004 in the U.S.

Am I the only one who thinks that "In the US" or something should be added to the article title? Lankiveil 04:57, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC).
 * Doh! - Amgine 05:00, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Heavy Lift Delta IV Rocket Launches

January 7, 2005

A launch on December 21, 2004 by Boeing with a new "Delta IV Heavy" rocket from Cape Canaveral failed to place a 'dummy' satellite into its intended orbit, but the launch was considered successful by Air Force officials.

The dummy satellite, the purpose of which was to monitor the Delta IV launch, as well as two experimental nanosatellites, provided by the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory to take digital photos of cloud formations and to test the effectiveness of materials in spacecraft, were lost.

Boeing's Vice President for Expendable Launch Systems, Dan Collins, said that the rocket malfunction was caused by a shorter first stage burn then was expected. This was compensated for during flight, however the fuel lost in the process limited final stages of the burn and was responsible for the payload not achieving orbit

A Boeing spokesman, Robert Villanueva, agreed that many flight objectives were achieved, but did not call the launch a success. "We do have an outstanding issue we need to work on before our first operational launch next year," Villanueva said.

Boeing was paid at least $140 million by the U.S. Air Force to place a 'dummy' satellite into geosynchronous orbit, 22,300 miles from Earth, according to the FAA. The launch was a demonstration for the Air Force's Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle (EELV) program.

Collins also reported, "We now have enough information and confidence in the Delta IV Heavy to move forward with preparations for the upcoming Defense Support Program launch in 2005. The mission has met all its major objectives. The US Air Force - was very, very happy."

The 23-story rocket, a heavy-lift variant of the Delta 4 family, lifted off from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida on Dec. 21 at 4:50 p.m. (2150 GMT). The launch was delayed three times in December due to weather problems and technical glitches.

The Delta IV Heavy is scheduled to carry the final Defense Support Program missile launch detection satellite to orbit this August. A National Reconnaissance Office classified payload is set to be aboard the second operational launch scheduled for December 2005.

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User:Samatheson

Do you intend to rewrite this article? -> Heavy Lift Delta IV Rocket to Open New Frontiers
If you intend to re-write the article to avoid the copyright violations, I strongly suggest you create a new article, do not copy this text to it, and write original only text in the new article. The reason for this is that articles with copyright violations in their history must be deleted, even if there is no copyright violation in the current version. - Amgine 05:41, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Done - Heavy Lift Delta IV Rocket Launch Problems Samatheson

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User talk:65.12.234.229

Welcome! And thanks for editing!
I think your article is looking pretty good! I'd love to see it finished up and posted! - Amgine 05:47, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I really meant to have my whole welcome message show up here.

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