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Talk:Main Page/Archive 17

Veterens?
Surely it's veterans? Unless this is some Americanism I'm not familiar with...
 * ✅: spelling fixed --SVTCobra 16:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect spelling of Sydney
Somebody really needs to correct this on the main picture.

Ticker
Some info on the new ticker is located at Ticker. TheFearow 04:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This ticker does not work with people using Internet Explorer. Eric Wester 15:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is purposely disabled for IE, due to problems. TheFearow 01:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we should probably get something figured out that works the IE, since that is the most used web browser in the world. :) Eric Wester 20:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And the worst web browser in the world. If someone else wants to support it they are free to do so, but i'm not spending any effort to support their broken horrible AJAX implementation. TheFearow 19:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not saying that I use IE, ohh no way! However, that does not change the fact that IE is still the most used web browser. Eric Wester 19:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the ticker is a good bonus for FireFox - I am considering making it link to getfirefox.com if the user is using IE, but that probably wouldnt be popular. I don't really want to spend a lot of time getting it going for IE when it works for a lot of people. TheFearow 21:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Everybody should have the same features. I don't think we should not give features to people just because they use IE. That's mean.  —FellowWiki Newsie 17:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is, supporting IE means rewriting the ticker loader - not fun. If someone else can rewrite it to load on IE then feel free to, but I do not have IE and cannot get IE easily, so it will not work for me. I also dont particularly want to spend two days supporting IE when I could be working on news. TheFearow 23:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought I could fix it by using the API being offered by the MediaWiki software, but there is no way to get rendered pages (ie, evaluating the DPLs and substituting them with article names) to be dumped. :( irid:t 23:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why its so difficult. I need action=render, which the API doesnt provide. TheFearow 23:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * FWIW (though you're surely already aware), action=render has now been implemented :) AmiDaniel 03:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Perhaps Full list link should go to Latest news instead of the ticker dpl source. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Full list is the purge link, and is there to trick people into purging it. It's the easiest way of doing it. TheFearow | userpage|contribs 02:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am currently using IE on vista and, I have had no problems anywhere, the ticker and the image works Symode09 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Lead with large image
The image doesn't display on this computer, it disappears after a short display. I'm really concerned that the new lead is not compatibel with all computers... if anyone knows how to fix this, please also update the lead with large image to my attempt, which I couldn't see myself! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 07:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I tested the new lead on a large number of browser/OS configurations, see this link. It appears to work well in these.  I personally also tested in Firefox 2 and IE7 in Windows, and in Firefox 2 on Linux.  Can you tell me your OS/Browser combination? -- IlyaHaykinson 07:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm on Internet Explorer with (obviously) Windows, and it's having the same problems for me, too. It worked ok at first, but the last 2 stories have been as Steven describes them. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have the same problem. The image did work in IE but disappeared. It showed in Firefox. Also, the thingy that flashes news stories on top of the first lead only works in Firefox.  —FellowWiki Newsie 15:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The ticker doesn't work in IE by design, due to IEs crap system of everything. See above conversation. TheFearow 19:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am currently using IE on vista and, I have had no problems anywhere, the ticker and the image works Symode09 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian wikinews: How can I start?
http://hu.wikinews.org - How will I get this domain?--Kádár Tamás 00:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on talk page. TheFearow 01:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Too much Finland news?
EOM. 71.231.128.246 15:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Most of it's mine, I just have an interest in the country. Although right now there's two other Finland stories up, too. I write so much Finland stuff because I thought I'd adopt a country which gets little attention, and I quite like Finland, so that was that. If you reckon there's something that deserves more to be up, go and write it. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

10 THOUSAND ARTICLES!
We did it! We are currently at  - Congrats everyone on hitting this milestone! Eric Wester 03:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. And we even have a news story about it, which was 10001. TheFearow 04:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Article title with image is broken
The new style of displaying important news as title overlayed over image seems to be constantly broken here for me - see a sample screenshot. I'm using Opera 9.20, but I think it has more to do with my font selection (I use Verdana for all standard font families). Therefore, a reminder: when using absolute positioning for text, you must specify both font name and font size in pixels, so that you know how large exactly the string will be on the screen, and can resize other elements (i.e. the semitransparent background strip) accordingly. Otherwise there is always a chance that it will look broken for someone. Int19h 12:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The new top stories
I was thinking that just for aesthetic appeal, the new pictures that display the Wikinews Top Story should be centered-- just a small adjustment is all! --Alegoo92 00:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I fully agree, I tried to do so some time back but I couldn't figure out how... Wiki code expert requested! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hows it look now? (For things using weird css tricks, you often have to put them in a table and center the table) Bawolff ☺☻ 18:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Leads how to
Right this is a how to for the leads.

Main Page Lead is used to change the lead types between Lead article and Breaking news lead. Both of the lead templates have instructions on how to change them but if stuck use the notes in Lead article. Any questions then ill try to answer them but it might lead to a bit of trial and error at the beginning BUT PLEASE USE THE PREVIEW BUTTON BEFORE SAVING!!!! --Mark Talk to me 20:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

ITV image
I noticed you added an image of Granada Studios on the main page. However, the British Comedy Awards are actually recorded at The London Studios. Is it possible to produce an image of the correct studio? ISD 13:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

is this for news about the English speaking world, or is it more US-centric?
Because there is a ton of US stuff (interviews with candidates) on the main page, far in excess of what is reasonable for balance (I think). Any comments? ta - jan

it's up to you to provide the non-US content. GO! -- anon

sofixit O:-) --Kim Bruning 18:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In fairness, I think the majority of interviews with Canadidates have been Canadian provincial candidates recently - and typically our "omg that's such regional news" comes out of New Zealand - so I'd argue that while we may be 'unequal' in representation, it's not in the US's favour - nor is it anything intentional. Sherurcij 19:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Ontario elections
Would it be possible to update the title of this page to "updates about the Ontario election, plus 3 or 4 of the biggest news stories in the world."?
 * yes, however we're not going to as it unfairly discriminates against those other less important news stories [[image:smile.png]]
 * On a serious note (the previous was sarcasm). News is written about stuff that interests whoever writes it. Remember everyone has a different opinion on what is important. While you may think the Ontario election coverage is overkill, I personally enjoy hearing about election issues in other parts of the country. If you feel there is inadequate coverage of the rest of the world, feel free to Cover the rest of the world. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Old News
The front page needs some seriously timely updating. Currently it's showing yesterday's news as "breaking", and the featured headlines are days old. This makes Wikinews look less than useful, as any news aggregator (e.g. Google News) has far more frequently-updated content.
 * Perhaps you'd get better results if you told people which article you are referring to (or even better, you can fix it yourself if you have an account). Bawolff ☺☻ 14:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Breaking news?
It happened 3 days ago, I don't think it qualifies as breaking news anymore. Contralya 07:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Unbalanced coverage
I'm very annoyed about what a lot of wikinews articles are about. For example, so far there are hundreds of wikinews pages about 'Ontario votes' talking to all of the candidates even insignificant things like 'Communist Party'! But really I am very outraged. 'Ontario votes' is about some upcoming election in a small region in Canada, which only Canadians, mostly from Ontario, really care about!

Also I bring your attention to the UK. The UK is never seen in articles. Recently there has been speculation of a general eelction, two major and covered political party conferences, and the UK prime minister 'bottling' a speculated general election. All this in a country twice a populas than Canada, far more than Ontario, and much more influential. But yet no coverage whatsoever, despite it being covered more in Uk news than I'm sure it has been on Canadian news. Wikinews really has to guard more closely what gets on its main page. Maybe just one 'Ontario votes' page every now and then, with everything on one page rather than lots clogging up one page, as I'm sure some people actually bear interest in Ontario votes. But frankly this is just ridiculous.

 * May I suggest writing up some UK articles? We'd love to have you! One of the great things about Wikinews is that we write what people are interested in - and right now we have a very active Ontario section, putting out some amazing interviews - probably one of the most comprehensive interview sections on that election anywhere on the web. That's a good thing!

 * Previously, we've had great UK coverage, including breaking the London subway bombings before other news.... we just don't have any active UK contributors right now doing UK news. Please, start writing!

 * Finally - we'd rather have many many articles on the mainpage from everywhere - but we will, for now, just have the articles that get published - so get writing and let's get some more on there! Lyellin 16:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can create stories using the big box on the main page. It's not hard and you can fix the balance if you want. Matt | userpage|contribs 20:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Article...
Shouldn't there be an article about the proposed U.S. bill that would condemn Turkish genocide of Armenia? It's going to have the Turkish population burning flags. Check Google news. Contralya 16:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

BBW Movement
Kira Nerusskaya isn't the BBW Movement founder, she's just one of its more active voices and is making a movie about it. This should be changed under the featured story. --David Shankbone 18:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. If you ever see anything wrong with one of the leads just scroll to the upper right of this page, there should be links to all the leads :)  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 18:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahhh...I see! Thanks!  --David Shankbone 19:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Brownback
I went ahead and put the Brownback interview up as an early Monday edition. --David Shankbone 22:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It looks great on the main lead.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 22:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

 * As interesting as the terrorism arrest in New Zealand are, we should be considering that in the lead we have 1. a major Presidential candidate; 2. who has given an interview to Wikinews; 3. and discusses issues of global importance; and 4. is a U.S. Senator. These factors should have us leave that lead up at least through today and not casually replaced with a terrorism bust in New Zealand.  The New Zealand bust is interesting; but it shouldn't replace an in-depth interview as the lead story after less than half a day.  --David Shankbone 12:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

What should be the lead story today? New Zealand environmentalists or a U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate talking to Wikinews?
There are only 240 articles on the Maori/Environmental activists, "Terrorists", whatever on Google News. It's a well-written article, interesting and I'm sure this is big news in New Zealand, but it's very local; even the "terrorists" are local indigenous people. Whereas with Brownback we have 1. a major Presidential candidate; 2. who has given an interview to Wikinews; 3. and discusses issues of global importance; and 4. is a U.S. Senator. These factors should have us leave that lead up at least through today and not casually replaced with a bust of activists in New Zealand. The New Zealand bust is interesting; but it shouldn't replace an in-depth interview as the lead story after less than half a day.--David Shankbone 19:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Although I do think it should be second lead. Matt | userpage|contribs 20:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, also. --David Shankbone 20:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nzgabriel has changed, although I thought the edit summary on Template:Second lead seemed a little rude. Matt | userpage|contribs 20:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

News briefs popping up
Yikes, I don't know whats happening, this hasn't happened before. Well..... it wasn't until I added Category stuff to the Audio newsbriefs that suddenly they started popping up in the news stories. Is this on purpose? I would prefer they not and if we want the briefs to appear than I would like to begin renaming them to a cleaner format: "News brief: October ##, 2007" which just means adding a space between brief: and the month which for some asinine reason there is no space and there hasn't been one as I look at the archives. Lazy spelling/format? Meh. Still, whats the deal, the noincludes are not working. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 05:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you cite an example of this happening? Did you include category:Brief on them? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you be a bit more specific as to what happened? Did it include the brief page in a dpl, did it include a date cat in a DPL? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A simple fix is to add Category:No publish to them, which will make them not pop up on the DPLs. Matt/TheFearow | userpage|contribs 07:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know why, traditionally briefs have not been published. Usually its just been the date and the Brief category on them. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Police discover five bodies in Victoria, Canada home

canada get worst place for living
with such kind government we have in Canada, mass of the poor homeless, drugs and crime, expensive cost of the living, I don't thinks so is so strange just last week six body was discovered in Vancouver and are life get more and more worst, I don't know how far all this go but we are should waiting for more and more bad news about Canada. hajiagha


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2007 Major League Soccer Playoffs: DC United vs. Chicago Fire

November 1, 2007

Chicago Fire advanced to the Eastern Conference Final after a 3-2 aggregate win against DC United on a pair of goals that were scored within two minutes of each other.

Chicago Fire plays the winner of the New England Revolution/New York Red Bulls 2 Leg affair which is currently tied 0-0.


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User:Jigsaw

''(ought to be adding more soon. Will get to it when I figure out what, of course) ''

Articles I've Worked On

 * Wikimedia fundraiser highlights webcomic community's frustration with Wikipedia guidelines
 * Extensive work done doesn't even begin to explain it. Edited, added to, helped save from deletion, defended and commented several times over the course of the article's collaboration and on its opinions page... you get the idea. You want to see where I shine, this is it in spades.

 * Bush announces 2007 Medal of Freedom winners
 * Well, approved for publishing anyway.

WikiThoughts

 * "Show Preview" is your friend. Use it.
 * You don't need to make six dozen edits to a page within one hour, unless it's because you're on a comments/talk page and editing by section actually clarifies things (by showing what you're responding to, if nothing else).

 * Notability should never be used as an excuse to delete a perfectly good page.
 * The better a page, the less notability should matter. Even if it's only an example of how a page ought to look, at least it's something.

 * Don't tear other people down on Wikinews/Wikipedia.
 * Seriously, though, don't be a dick, and realize that telling someone else they're a dick on something public like this makes you a bit of a dick by association. Besides, there are . . . 'other' wikis where criticism can be bandied about a little looser, if you insist.

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Talk:London's Metropolitan Police Service found guilty in suspected suicide bomber case

The title of the article is wrong. There is no such organization as the "London Police", it is the Metropolitan Police Service, which news papers abrevitae to "Metropolitan Police" or sometime "Scotland Yard". The headline as it is sound like the sort of mistake made in foregn news papers sometimes. Billlion 06:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


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Taiwan's "Doritos Coolpedia" website announces top "Internet Quote"

November 2, 2007 "Among men, La-La; among horses, Red Hare" (In Chinese: 馬中赤兔，人中拉拉) was recently elected as the "Best Internet Cool Quote".

Laa-Laa refers to the yellow character from the  television series, and refers to military general Lü Bu's horse during China's Three Kingdoms period.

The quote was given its title after a two-week voting period, that started on October 14 until PepsiCo Taiwan & announced "Top 10 Internet Cool Quote" on October 31. Voting was on the Doritos Coolpedia website, which started on September 28.

Voting attracted more than 10,000 Internet users from 64 countries participating and electing.

Coolpedia is a portal for teens and young adults to share and contribute their creations, and interact.

At the announcement event was the famous Taiwanese band "MACHI Brothers" (MACHI). Described by Pepsico as a symbol of younger people in the presence of the e-Century in Taiwan, MACHI serves as spokespeople for the website. Members of band dressed in different "Cool Quote T-Shirts" to symbolize the "unlimited creation" of Coolpedia.

On November 1, Coolpedia launched a website for a "Cool Video Award" contest, with the slogan "No pictures, no truth!". PepsiCo Taiwan has suggested that the site will be a major Web 2.0 site.


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Talk:Taiwan's "Doritos Coolpedia" website announces top "Internet Quote"

Series Original Report Information and Notice
Some of articles translated from Chinese version, and I've made a interview with PR of Pepsico Taiwan, for any questions, please contact with me immediately. Brock contact... 07:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Interview article will be translated afterly and separately. Brock contact... 07:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Interview Information
Interviewed at the announcement activity, but due to my camera experienced an error of system, I've pleased Ogilvy help me to take photos and requested the PR send a request to OTRS even thousg I've uploaded the key and only one interview photo. Brock contact... 07:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct translation?
This translation in this article of the phrase does not exist anywhere else online. Is there any other possible translations? And what does this mean, anyway? -- Zanimum 14:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See Red_Hare @ Wikipedia, you can find a special quote. Laa-Laa is a similar character as Tinky Winky in a TV series named "Teletubbies". I just replaced a noun for fulfilling the announcement translation. Brock contact... 15:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Updated the article.

 * I'm still confused on the meaning of the quote. Red Hare, I presume, is an example of a good horse. But Laa-Laa is not an example of a good man, because Laa-Laa is a girl, and a creature. --  Zanimum 16:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this is news
This is a Doritos marketing scheme. That's not particularly news, especially one worthy of a template and its own category...? --David Shankbone 15:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, I currently translate this interview. So please see Doritos Coolpedia - a major impact with younger people and Internet users in a Web 2.0 era in Taiwan. I'll keep translating. Brock contact... 16:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't think you can put the wool over our eyes! This is a lame lame lame endorsement of Doritos packaged in a "fun hip" internet website that has marketing dollars written all over it. I can't believe this story made it to the Main Page without even being criticized once! Does your country not have any issues whatsoever? Are you saying Taiwan is all fine and dandy with China govenrment warships on its coasts? Are its politicians praised like Julius Caesar? Is there nothing wrong there that all we receive from this island is the latest update that bigger screen tvs are now available to play even more intense video games on? This is not news. NOT XIN WEN, this has gone on LONG enough and I am tired of it, someone needs to tell this guy what is news and what is blatant endorsement. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 22:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Although in less emphatic terms, I agree with Davumaya. There are so so many more interesting stories we could get from you, Brock, that I wish you would be more discerning in what you choose to report as news.  There are some real issues over there I was excited to hear about, and a Doritos website is not one of them.  --David Shankbone 23:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


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175,000 is a joke for such a large organization as the Met is. I worry that this won't have any motivation effect on him to refrain from such behaviour in the future.


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Microsoft Taiwan will bring on high-definition AV-media Market in Taiwan after Xbox360 will support HDMI interface

November 2, 2007

With some topics on high-definition audio-visual era world-wide, Microsoft Taiwan recently announced HDMI support of new Xbox 360 console. With a Xbox 360 HD-DVD Player, consumers can fulfill enjoyment on a wide-resolution scale of 1080p (Full HD). In fact, Microsoft Taiwan demonstrated the player for the pre-market preparation in the X06 Taiwan show last year.

Microsoft Taiwan invited DeltaMac Taiwan (Movie Agency Member of CMC Magnetics Corporation) demonstrating their published and represented movie discs at the Press Conference. According to DeltaMac, those movie discs supported not only 1080p HD scales but also all HD-DVD players including Xbox 360 HD-DVD Player without DVD region code limitation.

Many medias and younger players in Taiwan focused on the latest Xbox 360 RPG game "Viva Piñata: Party Animals" because of Halloween. Burger King Taiwan Branch announced some promotions with this game, and the animation film of "Viva Piñata" will be available next month in Taiwan.

With announcements of several newly Xbox360 games, launch of Xbox360 HD-DVD Player, and HDMI support, topics of high-definition audio-visual market in Taiwan will be brought on the announcements and the 28th Taipei Audio Fair next week.


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OR info
Translated partially form Chinese, and I'll upload some photo for completing important information. Contents wrote with Press Conference I've participated. Brock contact... 08:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

xbox hd-dvd player?
hi, I don't quite get the point. Okay, it could because of mebeing German and perhaps not understanding this sentences, but what about the xbox 360 hd-dvd player? Is this meant ina way like with the external hd-dvd usb drive or replacing the old dvd drive and getting internal? (internal rumors wer repeatedly denied by executives of both MS and toshiba) So what is it now? greets, --Andreas -horn- Hornig 14:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Key photos uploaded and added to article. Brock contact... 16:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

What?
Is this all the news that happens in Taiwan? Product announcements and video player compatibility? I have let a few slide by the wayside but this is ridiculous. There are FAR TOO MANY articles that indirectly endorse products and have not one criticism that have come from this author. It's upsetting. Taiwan is next to all the hot-spots of Asia, CERTAINLY there is something a lot more worthy of our attention than unhealthy chips and addictive games. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 22:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:130.86.14.87

Welcome
Welcome!

130.86.14.87, welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews:
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Here are some other hints and tips:

 * I would recommend that you get a username. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikinews, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and there are many benefits of having a username.  (If you edit without a username, your IP address is used to identify you instead.)

 * When using talk pages, please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 08:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Ellywa

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 10:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Thanks for fixing my slip up, I wasn't awake enough in the morning to take proper notes, I jotted down the "Living in exponential times" wrong place on my notepad. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Coolpedia announced Top 10 Internet Quote and promoted next project for "Cool Video Award" in Taiwan

What a stupid quote. What the hell does it have to do with the Internet?


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Broken water main cripples downtown London, Ontario

November 2, 2007 Just before 5 a.m. on October 31, 2007, a water main broke underground in the middle of downtown London, Ontario at the intersection of Wellington and Dundas. As water gushed 5 metres up into the air the pavement slowly eroded over several hours eventually causing a giant sinkhole 9 m wide and 4 m deep; large enough for a city bus to hide in.

The quickly escaping water eventually flooded the entire basement of the Galleria Mall including the underground parking. The flooding affected several major electrical systems and left several downtown businesses over several blocks without power including City Hall, the Galleria Mall, both  TD Bank Buildings and CIBC until 9 p.m. that night.


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Latest trial of the One Laptop Per Child running in India; Uruguay orders 100,000 machines

November 8, 2007

India is the latest of the countries where the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) experiment has started. Children from the village of Khairat were given the opportunity to learn how to use the XO laptop. During the last year XO was distributed to children from Arahuay in Peru, Ban Samkha in Thailand, Cardal in Uruguay and Galadima in Nigeria. The OLPC team are, in their reports on the startup of the trials, delighted with how the laptop has improved access to information and ability to carry out educational activities. Thailand's The Nation has praised the project, describing the children as "enthusiastic" and keen to attend school with their laptops.

Recent good news for the project sees Uruguay having ordered 100,000 of the machines which are to be given to children aged six to twelve. Should all go according to plan a further 300,000 machines will be purchased by 2009 to give one to every child in the country. As the first to order, Uruguay chose the OLPC XO laptop over its rival from Intel, the Classmate PC. In parallel with the delivery of the laptops network connectivity will be provided to schools involved in the project.

'The remainder of this article is based on Carla G. Munroy's Khairat Chronicle'', which is available from the OLPC Wiki. Additional sources are listed at the end.'''

India team
The Mumbai team (OLPC-India) In setting up the first pilot of the project in India, Carla and the OLPC team worked with Navi Mumbai telecommunications specialists - referred to as the Mumbai Team - who located the school for the XO laptop trial and established a relationship with the staff, students and community of Khairat school. Liaising with a local who sponsors schools in the area, Mr. Iyer, Carla's chronicle states, "it turned out that they struck a gold mine in terms of kindness and pro-activity of the teacher, children, and community."

According to the Khairat Chronicle report the Mumbai team was in two parts, but with little to separate them. A strategic team, working for OLPC-India in general and getting the project off the ground, started up in July, with the team's Mr. Joshi visiting the village with Carla's group on a number of times. He attended parent's meetings and acted as an advocate for the OLPC project, stressing villagers' involvement and explaining the role of Carla's team.

Amit joined the team in September, bringing a technical background on the Linux operating system. He was introduced to the educational aspects of the project and assisted greatly with the technical aspects and community-building efforts.

On the whole, the Mumbai team were based in Navi Mumbai.

The OLPC team

In India from Late September, Carla was working on the educational side of the project, helping out as needed on technical issues and relations with the community. Carla was joined by Arjun and Manu early in October, working with Amit from the Mumbai team setting up the network infrastructure and testing it. Work on Marathi fonts was also carried out with Amit. After a little over two weeks during which the children were given their XO laptops and introduced to them the OLPC team left, providing long-distance support to the Mumbai Team and the Khairat community.

Khairat
Khairat is a small village with around 200 people, placed near Mumbai in Maharashtra state. Carla described houses in the villages as "spacious and minimalist in their furniture." A section of each of the 20 or so house is set aside for cattle, only an outside door is present on each house, and cooking is done with a wood-fired stove. In most cases a partial second roof or attic is where people will sleep.

The town school
Children go to school 5 days in week, from Monday to Friday, from 10.30 AM to 5.30 PM and they attend also on Saturdays from 8.30 AM to 10.00 AM. The students are from 5 to 10 years old.

Khairat school (Vastishala Khairat-Dhangarvada) is a one-room schoolhouse, it is years old. The land to build it was donated by a villager. Carla was told that she used to go and help the construction workers with the building of the school. She also came to help organize the digging of the hole for grounding the server. The building itself was sponsored by a villager who has a lot of land in the area. He also supports, on a continual basis, with other items the school needs.

The schoolhouse has three cabinets. The one with glass panes is where the children keep their textbooks, and it also contains reading books that children can grab to read. On the top shelf, there is a statue of Ganesha, to whom children bring some fresh flowers. In one corner is the water bucket, glasses, and dishes. On the other, is the raw rice bucket and the server cardboard box that sometimes is a desktop for the teacher and other times a table to drink milky, sugary Indian tea. This arrangement is recent though, because he volunteered his desk for setting up the server.

A broad black strip is painted horizontally across all the walls, on which varied learning stuff is colorfully sketched with colored chalk, such as the Marathi and English alphabets, the water cycle, Mahatma Gandhi's face, the numbers in Marathi. Hanging from the ceiling, there's a fan and a few light-bulbs, which are rarely used because the sunlight that comes in through the door and the three grated windows is enough.

The workplace
The first girl to arrive to school early in the morning sweeps the floor. The second girl to arrive helps her remove things from the corners. Other children help by taking out and placing at the entrance two small palm trees they keep inside when the school is closed. The older girls go to the village well for water to refill the water bucket and have water to drink during the day. They also count the rations of rice to be cooked for lunch and take it to the person who will cook it. Three rows are made with mats on the floor. The floor is the seat where the students sit, the surface on which they write, the boundless space they can use to adopt any position they find comfortable as well as to work in pairs or groups, and a classmate—or the teacher—can come and sit next to anyone to help.

The school is multilevel. Children from first to fourth standard take classes in the same classroom with the same teacher. Sometimes they all listen to the same explanation or work on the same assignment, but the teacher usually assigns different tasks to each level, and when the younger ones get stuck and he is busy working with other students, children from third and fourth standard help the first and second standard ones. They learn so much by always being in touch with the 'basics' and previously learned facts, knowledge, or skills, and by teaching others, they reinforce their knowledge. With the XO, they help each other by explaining or by pointing a finger at the screen or keyboard or by checking the work done. And it's not necessarily the older ones who help the younger, nor age or grade level what determines how they group together. You can also see children by themselves, focused on their work, oblivious to what is going on around them, even to what the teacher is saying or doing—and in this case it is perfectly alright to not pay attention to the teacher.

Although the teacher conducts the activities and is the leader and most knowledgeable one in the room, there reigns an atmosphere of independent work and independent grouping and consultations. The smaller ones are natural scouts and keep on exploring the laptops on their own, and when they find something interesting or need some help, they go to others to show them their findings or be helped out.

Marathi
The people in the village speak Marathi. The teacher speaks some English too. The children and the villagers talk to me in Marathi. Carla keep the communication channel open by smiling, which is easy and effective. Amit helps a lot by translating.

Teacher session
The plan was to just work with the teacher. However, as soon as he got his students back in school, the teacher started working with them and teaching them how to write their names in English and how to do several other things on the laptops.

The work with the teacher was on how to best use laptops as a tool to “learn learning” by expressing, constructing, designing, modeling, imagining, creating, critiquing, debugging, collaborating with the children, carrying out hands-on activities and project based work, retrieving specific data from the Internet, and publishing content and collaborative production of content on Wiki pages shared on the Internet.

Because one of the Third World's main problems is education, a Wikinews reporter has asked Carla about this question:

Przykuta: What do you think about education system in India?

 * Carla G. Monroy: The educational system in India is similar to those of many other countries I've been in. There are many issues that we have to work on. However, we can be part of that evolving learning environment.

P: Zana Brisks "Born into Brothels" film show that children have problem with their education, cause their mothers are prostitutes, but they take photos and they want to be photographers. Do you think that collaboration between OLPC, Kids with Cameras (children from Zana Briks documentary) and Wikimedia Foundation (I think about Wikimedia Commons) is possible?

 * CGM: I haven't seen the documentary. However, the collaboration between children, the laptops (which have an integrated camera), and some Wiki-solution for sharing content is doable.

P: Media don't want write about 3rd World's problems (too often). How can we change this situation? Is it possible?

 * CGM: Today, we don't need the traditional media to document for us. Each child, teacher, villager,... with a laptop and connectivity could be a Journalist by posting on a blog, wiki, YouTube,... just like you ;)

Parents' meetings
Oct 3. Mr. Joshi came to Khairat school and organized a small impromptu parents' meeting. Few parents came because of such short notice. Basically, the idea was to explain the project to them and to invite them to take part in the learning of their children. The teacher explained the potential of the XOs in class and of all the relevant stuff that was now at their children's fingertips for them to  learn or do, to which they had no opportunity before.

Every child at school
The students' names in this article are pseudonyms.

 * This article is based on Carla's Khairat Chronicle - The OLPC Wiki (CC-BY 2.5 licensed)


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Comments:Taiwan's "Doritos Coolpedia" website announces top "Internet Quote"

Cool quote
I think I'd have more appreciation for this story if I had any idea what the "cool quote" meant. --David Shankbone 14:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --  Zanimum 14:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No offense, but this is more of a marketing ploy than it is news. Google "Doritos Coolpedia" and the only English language hit you get is a press release from Doritos.  --David Shankbone 15:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

encyclopediadramatica.com should be hosting the poll
Fo reals. Language barriers is a problem, yes.

I just didn't get it.

—74.200.30.4 14:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Derrek
 * I would be embarrassed to find myself saying it and thinking it sounded cool. --David Shankbone 15:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


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Stephen Colbert denied South Carolina ballot

November 2, 2007 The South Carolina denied  a place on the primary ballot Thursday. “The council really agonized over this because they really like him, they love his show, and everyone thinks it’s wonderful that he cares about us,” said Carol Fowler, the chairwoman of the state’s Democratic Party. The council voted 13-3 to reject Colbert's application. According to their statement, Colbert did not meet two basic requirements: that he be a viable national candidate; and that he actively campaign for the state’s primary.

"It's a distraction," said Waring Howe Jr., one of the executive council member who voted against Colbert, "and takes away from the seriousness of our primary here and takes attention from the serious candidates: Clinton, Edwards, Barack Obama and the rest."

Colbert's Thursday night program centered around his campaign in South Carolina until a Democratic official called mid-show with the news of the council's rejection. "It's your loss Democrats," Colbert said. "I had a lot of good ideas."

Colbert had originally announced his intention to run as both a Republican and Democrat, but only filed for the Democratic. The Republican primary ballot application cost was $35,000, versus $2,500 for the Democratic application. Fowler stated the council will return Colbert's check.


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16 people
So, 16 people can control who gets on the ballot, and who doesn't. The Canadian parliamentary political system is much better. -- Zanimum 15:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. New democracies never adopt the U.S. political system, that's for sure.  --David Shankbone 15:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * This is something that the Democratic Party has set up. This is how they choose to pick their candidate. This has nothing to do with getting on the ballot for the actual election. To run as an independent he would need to collect signatures or something. --216.75.93.110 15:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Might he do that? I haven't watched the show in a while.--70.158.160.6 16:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It should be noted Canadian parties can randomly drop candidates if they feel like it (Recent example Conservatives national council dropped two candidates who won the ballot for being the conservitive candidate in their riding.). Bawolff ☺☻ 20:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

This was very cute.
Colbert only did this as a joke. He didn't expect to be admitted. He isn't considerable as a viable canidate and he wouldn't actively campaign, he knows that. Don't take it so seriously. I thought it was a really adorable gesture towards the state of South Carolina and the US. He knew he couldn't get in, but he cares about us. Plus I LOVE Stephen Colbert, he's very funny.
 * And what makes Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel viable candidates? --+Deprifry+ 18:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Stephen Colbert should have won (I would make a comment comparing Bush, but I think we all know what I'm thinking in my head). Bawolff ☺☻ 20:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * He's still probably going to place at least third or such as a write-in vote, I'll bet. Craig K 00:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


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Wikinews interviews Claire Lin of Pepsico Foods Taiwan

November 15, 2007 Following the launch of the Doritos Coolpedia website on September 28, and voting on October 14, this website has now become a complex portal with textures, pictures, and multimedia after adding video candidate function. As Coolpedia originally followed Wikipedia's example of Internet-relay contribution, Wikinews Reporter Rico Shen interviewed Claire Lin (Assistant Media Manager of Marketing Department, Pepsico Foods Taiwan) about the origins and objectives of Coolpedia.

Interview
Brock: With witnessing the rise of Coolpedia, I wonder to know the origins of founding Coolpedia.

Claire: With a variety changes of some Internet language and phrases for younger people on the Internet newsgroups, BBS sites, discussion forums in Taiwan, Pepsico Taiwan decided to found Coolpedia website to gather some good quotes with their (younger people) creations named as "Internet Citizens". This foundation is matched as Doritos' brand symbol - Bold & Creation, and Coolpedia made a impact with a great challenge in Taiwan's Internet culture.

Brock: With visiting this website and referred some backgrounds provided by Ogilvy Public Relations Taiwan, I found an interesting idea on the pursuit of "followed Wikipedia's example". Coincidently, Wikimania 2007, held on August in Taiwan earlier, encouraged Internet users' contributions with knowledge for a "Knowledge Without Borders" pursuit not only the conference but also the showcase. What do operation team of Coolpedia think about this?

Claire: Every Internet user knows "Wikipedia is the total of knowledge", but we (the team) think Coolpedia as the combination of "Internet culture" and "younger people" in Taiwan. Based on the multiple creation, we launched this site firstly with texture and picture contribution functions, next will join multimedia and video functions. I believe that Coolpedia and Wikipedia effected Internet culture in Taiwan deeply.

Brock: What's about the internationalization with several Chinese People from many countries world-wide?

Claire: Doritos is a notable world-class international brand by Pepsico. Many branches from Pepsico has their own ideas with their country culture, therefore, we won't promote the inter-language version of Taiwan's Coolpedia.

Brock: I've ever participated lots of press conferences and seminars such as YouTube, Microsoft, and some companies from IT industry in Taiwan. Those above mentioned on some issues of media reusing, copyright, and practices in society in Taiwan. Especially in some cases, some companies was sensitive on the computing crimes, pirate and illegal copy issues because those above were discussed by some people from governmental and security industries in Taiwan. And also, some Internet users may spread their own files created by the others so that the common practice will turn from bad to worse. With those issues, what should Pepsico regulate participants from Coolpedia?

Claire: We've regulated policies for participants. Of course, copyright violation will disadvantage Taiwan's Common Practice. If some participated works violated common practice, we'll decline those participations. Even though Coolpedia is similar as Kuso, but it is a conjunction with Internet creation phrases and younger people.


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Hey!

Do you thought on rejestration on English Wikinews? Prasuk 17:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Spam
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Comments:Microsoft Taiwan will bring on high-definition audio-visual Market in Taiwan after Xbox360 will support HDMI interface

Is this news or advertising?

kinda looks like advertising, and HDDVD is dead btw


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American diplomats unwilling to go to Iraq may be forced, says State Department

November 2, 2007

Almost 50 positions at the American embassy in Iraq remain unfilled with no volunteers, and the State Department has recently told diplomats that if they go unfilled then they will begin forced assignments. "We must go forward with the identification of officers to serve should it prove necessary to direct assignments," said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday. "Should others step forward, as some already have, we will fill these new jobs as we have before —with volunteers. However, regardless of how the jobs may be filled, they must be filled."

Since the 48 vacant Iraq posts were announced last Friday, only 15 diplomats have volunteered to work there. Diplomatic assignments are almost always filled by volunteers.

At a State Department "town hall" meeting, Jack Crotty, a 36-year State Department veteran, pointed out the main issue: It's a "potential death sentence".

"It's one thing if someone believes in what's going on over there and volunteers," said Crotty, "but it's another thing to send someone over there on a forced assignment."

But U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker's response to such fears was unequivocal: "It's for us to go and serve, not to debate the policy, not to agree with it."

Mark Bellamy, a former deputy assistant secretary of state who is now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, also questioned the entire diplomatic mission. "How do you do diplomacy and development work in an environment as violent as this?" asked Bellamy. The Green Zone can be a demoralizing place for a diplomat to work. Aside from the physical risk, the violence that surrounds daily life in Baghdad creates an isolated atmosphere and a sense of futility. The idea of traveling outside the fortified zone is outlandish and only under heavy guard (the Blackwater guards accused by the Iraqi government of attacking Iraqi civilians were guarding diplomats).

The only association the diplomats have with civilian Iraqis is with those who work at the embassy. Even those Iraq nationals fear for their lives as they are targeted as "collaborators."


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Comments:American diplomats unwilling to go to Iraq may be forced, says State Department

 * Forced? Couldn't they quit?
 * Yes, of course. But if a person doesn't want to throw away a career, they may be forced to go to Iraq.  Diplomatic missions are always filled on a volunteer basis and not done military-style.  I could be a copyboy who doesn't want to make photocopies of material I don't like, and I'm either forced to make them, or I can find another job.  --David Shankbone 18:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

American Diplomats to Iraq
If a US diplomat assigned to a job doesn´t like it, couldn´t he(she) quit his(her)job under his(her) contract rules?. I would consult my US lawyer if I was in this situation before making a decision. Jaime Saldarriaga.
 * People aren't usually "forced diplomats" - diplomacy is a labor of love.  You are going as an ambassador from one nation to another because you want to be a diplomat.  Many of these "Can't they just quit" comments don't take into account what the nature of diplomacy is.  Which is not "You are forced to go to another country and represent us."  More important, the story outlines what a disaster Iraq continues to be, and that there is a lot of people who are seasoned diplomats--versed in the art of diplomacy--who see this mission as too dangerous or too futile.  But a diplomat is not a job like any other job.  --David Shankbone 19:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unlike just going to another copyshop, there are not other "State Departments" to go to work for. ;-)
 * Exactly. --David Shankbone 19:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Give State the Resources to do This Job
The Administration and especially Congress have continually not funded and manned State to the levels needed for an area like Iraq. The Foreign Service union AFSA has estimated that an additional 2,094 employees are needed to staff Iraq, Afghanistan, and other positions currently vacant. If the Service is short 2,000 people, it makes it more evident how they are short people. Actually, it makes the 48 people they need look nearly insignificant except that Ambassador Crocker has stated he needs every position filled. Congress must put their backing into the State mission with adequate resources like they have with DOD. Some info derived from

Same dilema in the cold war.
I remember being very bored at school, one day, and reading an article in the Economist magazine in the library, all the good magazines were taken. It was around about 1985, the cold war wasn't over but the Economist claimed that there were more American diplomats based in the Paris Embassy than the Berlin, London and Moscow embassies put together.

American diplomats sound a lot like Church of England vicars. Church of England vicars are supposedly on a calling from God to serve mankind. Church of England vicars can choose, more or less, where they preach in England or abroad. Who in the church would dare to question God’s will? God in his unfathomable wisdom, nearly always calls for the vicars to preach in the wealthier parts of Southern England, usually the home counties and only very occasionally does he find missions for them in poor inner city areas.


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Comments:Doritos Coolpedia - a major impact with younger people and Internet users in a Web 2.0 era in Taiwan

Coolpedia is an example of what might happen in other places in the near future. —Jaime Saldarriaga 18:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


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Two arrested after UK police officer critically injured whilst trying to make an arrest

November 2, 2007

A 42-year-old man and a woman in her thirties have been arrested after a police officer was left critically injured after being hit by a car as she tried to make an arrest in west London this morning.

Police are treating the incident as attempted murder.

Detective Constable Catherine Corbett of West Midlands Police was trying to arrest a man at Sheraton Hotel, near Heathrow Airport when the suspect escaped by car and left the officer with head injuries. She was in London as part of a fraud investigation.

The man was arrested by firearms officers in Birmingham and will be taken to London for questioning. The woman has been held after she contacted the police.

Speaking about Corbett, Assistant Chief Constable Gareth Cann said, "Cathy is an experienced police officer and a very good police officer."

Police have appealed for anyone with any information to contact the Metropolitan Police Incident Room on 020 8358 0400 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.


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Talk:American diplomats unwilling to go to Iraq may be forced, says State Department

Typo
editprotected "Condoleeza" => "Condoleezza" (3 times) Van der Hoorn (talk) 14:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅, but I could only find two instances. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 14:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I counted the link as 2. :) Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 14:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Oh, okay. That makes sense. In that case, all three have been fixed. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 14:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


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User:85.73.219.112

An IP address definitely not in the US but with a definite American person at the keyboard. Frequent wiki contributor but not all Wikipedia.

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Foreign Service
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Russian choreographer Igor Moiseyev dies at age 101

November 2, 2007 , who has been widely acclaimed as the greatest 20th-century choreographer of, has died today after a long illness. He was 101 years old.

Born Igor Alexandrovich Moiseyev on January 21, 1906 in, Moiseyev graduated from the  school in 1924 and danced in the theatre until 1939. His first choreography in the Bolshoi was Footballer in 1930 and the last was in 1954.

Since the early 1930s, he staged acrobatic on  and finally came up with the idea of establishing the Theatre of Folk Art. In 1936, put him in charge of the new dance company, which has since been known as the Moiseyev Ballet. Among about 200 dances he created for his company, some humorously represented the game of and. After visiting Belarus he choreographed a Belarusian "folk" dance ("Potato"), which over the years indeed became a Belarusian folk dance. According to the, Moiseyev's work has been especially admired "for the balance that it maintained between authentic folk dance and theatrical effectiveness".

Moiseyev was named in 1953,  in 1976, received the  (1967, for the dance show A Road to the Dance), four  (1942, 1947, 1952, 1985), Russian Federation State Prize (1996), was awarded numerous orders and medals of the Soviet Union, Spain, and many other countries. On the day of his centenary, Moiseyev became the first Russian to receive Order for the Merits before the Fatherland, 1st class — the highest civilian decoration of the.


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Page titles
Please take time to familiarise yourself with WN:SG as to the standards used for page titles as some of your recent page moves haven't met this. For example, titles should use downstyle capitalisation. Regards. Adambro 22:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Mr. Adambro. UnknownMan 22:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Kevin DuBrow, lead singer of "Quiet Riot", found dead
Hi, I saw you added the cause of death. You will have to write a new article if you want to report that on Wikinews. Unlike Wikipedia, articles are not works-in-progress. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. UnknownMan 20:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

French writer Julien Gracq dies at 97
Hi. I wonder if you could comment on some copyright-related questions regarding the article. Would you see the collaboration page for the article and comment? Thanks. I also noticed that you wrote some other obituaries. Did you produce them in a similar way that I imagined? Tomos 08:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Archiving - Admin Action Alert
Hello UnknownMan. Thank you for your listing of some articles that require archiving on the Admin Action Alert page. It is actually not necessary (even thought there is a spot for it). We have hundreds of such articles that require archiving and it is unnecessary, therefore, to list them one at a time. We are aware of the situation and are working towards getting caught up. Also, please don't add the "archived" tag to an article. An admin will do that in due course. If it is added but not protected, it may not show up on our "to do" list. Cheers, --Jcart1534 02:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Jcart. UnknownMan 02:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

re:Sportswriter Milt Dunnell dies at 102
Hi. I am sorry to come here again with virtually the same issue. But it seems this article, too, is mostly made up of texts taken from Wikipedia article. Is this the case? If so, would you say this is a fair use (or would you rather have it deleted for potential copyright infringement)?

Please see the article's talk page and perhaps you could respond to some of the concerns I have. Talk:French writer Julien Gracq dies at 97 has others opinions that might be informative, in case you haven't read it.

And I wonder how many other articles are written in a similar manner.

Thanks, Tomos 13:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:Wikinews:Story preparation/Former Archbishop Baron Carey of Clifton dies
Thanks - Possibly useful to include something on his theological positions as Carey wasn't IIRC as liberal as the current incumbent. 62.56.91.54 12:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. UnknownMan 19:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Boy killed by shark in Australia
This story is not an obituary. An obituary attempts to gives an account of the texture and significance of the life of someone who has recently died. - Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 01:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh. It was just an animal attack. Very sad that the boy died in the shark attack. Cheers. UnknownMan - (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent Obits..
Thanks for keeping up on the obits.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

No Problemo. UnknownMan (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Story prep obit...
Georgian President and Prime Minister? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 01:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. UnknownMan (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Obits Page
Any thoughts on where to source possible ones from?

I.E The list needs updating (particualrly prominent politicans and heads of states) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Kim Jong Il
Should be a reasonable amount of information on him to start an obit. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. UnknownMan (talk) 20:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ray Moore
I note from the (London) times, that Ray Moores's died, any chance of doing a Obit? Story preparation/FBI agent Ray Moore Dies. Ray Moore was an FBI agent involved in investigating the murders of civil rights activists in the 1960's. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Renaming articles
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US singer Etta James dies aged 73
Found not ready when reviewed. See review comments, and. --Pi zero (talk) 04:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Bit removal
This is bookkeeping, certainly nothing personal, and I'm not entirely sure you were even aware of the bit (which alarms me, because someone who doesn't understand site policies could seriously damage the project by using the bit — not unlike someone who accidentally received the admin bit). I'm putting it through a formal process, here. --Pi zero (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Per consensus, your right has been removed. As Pi zero has said, this is nothing personal; you can review our policies and ask back for the bit after you get a hang of our style guide and how to review pages. Regards, Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 15:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Renaming articles
Hi. So you know, we don't like to rename articles after publication unless there's a really pressing reason to do so. Besides simple stability, renaming published articles can create duplicate entries in some feeds. --Pi zero (talk) 20:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Story preparation/US actress Valerie Harper dies at age XX
Hi. A prepared article must cite the trust-worthy sources from which it gets its information; otherwise, it's worse than having no prepared article at all. This is because when the anticipated event actually happens, our article has to be fully sourced in order to be published, and if it's based on an unsourced prepared article, that pretty much guarantees the submitted article won't pass review. A prepared article is supposed to make things easier when the event occurs, but I've seen an unsourced prepared article prevent us from ever getting a publication about an event, by delaying things until the event is no longer news. --Pi zero (talk) 10:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism confusion
Thanks for undoing that page-move vandalism. I've had a lot of trouble reconstructing what happened; during the confusion I was afraid for a moment your account might have been compromised and blocked it while I investigated further — oops. Sorry about that. --Pi zero (talk) 23:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Comments:Scientists engineer "might mice"

I don't see why this couldn´t be considered somehow as a research finding eventually useful to humans. Jaime Saldarriaga.


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Genetically altered mice are "superathletes"

November 2, 2007 Researchers at Case Western University in Cleveland, Ohio have announced the creation of transgenic mice with substantially improved athletic endurance, which live and breed longer and are more aggressive than genetically unmodified siblings, and are leaner despite consuming 60% more food. The mice have been dubbed "mighty mice" or "supermice" by the popular press and have been compared to cyclist Lance Armstrong.

The changes were created by adding an extra copy of a single gene, PEPCK-C. This gene is already present in the mouse genome, but the modified gene is designed to be strongly active (transcribed) in skeletal muscle. (The natural copy of the gene, most active in the liver, continues to function normally). The gene mediates a crucial rate controlling step of gluconeogenesis and glyceroneogenesis, and its activity helps to allow energy production by the mitochondrial citric acid cycle. In the transgenics, more energy is available to muscle through the burning of fatty acids, with much less production of lactate (a chemical that leads to sore muscles when one exercises). This is not as major a change to the mouse genome as it might seem to the layperson. The PEPCK-C gene is already present in the mouse and a variety of natural mutations could likely cause similar results. The study appears today in the Journal of Biological Chemistry in a paper with lead author Parvin Hakimi from the laboratory of Richard W. Hanson.

The altered mice can run at 20 meters per minute (0.75 miles per hour or 1.2 kilometers per hour) for up to six kilometers (nearly four miles) without stopping. The average treadmill time for strenuous exercise on a 25-degree incline is 31.9 minutes, well in excess of the 19 minute average of unmodified mice. Females can breed at two and a half years of age, whereas most female mice cannot breed after the first year.

A colony of 500 mice has been bred, starting from six independent germline transformations ("founder" mice). The level of PEPCK-C in muscle is 9 units per gram of muscle as opposed to only 0.08 in normal mice. Levels of triglycerides and the number of mitochondria are also increased.

Hanson said that he did not expect that the results would be applicable to humans due to both practical and ethical considerations in addition to the fact that the genes might not function the same way in humans.

This is not the first time that the press has dubbed a genetically modified mouse a "mighty mouse". Earlier scientists at John Hopkins University announced that they had made mice with massively increased muscle mass that were larger and stronger than their normal cousins. These alterations increased strength rather than endurance through the genetic modification of myostatin and follistatin, or by injection of a soluble form of ACVR2B to block myostatin activity in normal mice.


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Comments:Genetically altered mice are "superathletes"

Next question: What this would mean to humans? Jaime Saldarriaga.

 * At this point, who knows, but in my opinion it would be exceedingly unethical not to use genetic engineering to improve the lives of people. 72.153.9.105 21:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The impact of this technology will need careful consideration. I am very hopeful that some method can be devised to activate the natural copy of PEPCK-C in the skeletal muscle of human beings without the need for germline transformation or full-scale gene therapy, such as by using drugs or substituted oligonucleotides to influence the interaction of transcription factors with PEPCK-C regulatory sequences or one another.  High throughput methods could blindly test hundreds of thousands of agents to find those that increase PEPCK-C transcription in muscle cell lines, and then the most effective substances could be formulated into a treatment.

 * Unfortunately, we are not in such a different position from the wild mouse, whose evolution has not favored the indiscriminate waste of food with PEPCK in muscle. For any one American a 60% increase in food consumption seems a small price to pay, if not a fringe benefit.  But if everyone in the world were altered this way, we would need a 60% increase in global food production.  Even if famine can be averted by production improvements, that still means a tremendous amount of ecosystem destroyed to build new farms.

 * Then we also need to consider what we would do with all this physical endurance. The mice in their cages were five times more active and also more frequently aggressive.  One can only imagine the horror of prison guards contemplating such a change progressing among their charges...  But even in the larger world, how would people adapt?  Would they get arthritis from running at all hours?  Would domestic relations collapse from the extra energy and aggression?

 * On the other hand, it might be very interesting to see what PEPCK overexpression does for the brain...

 * There are also fundamental economic questions to consider. In general, what would PEPCK treatment increase more, supply or demand?  Most work is done by machine, after all, and while physical endurance would surely be a help to workers, would it make up for the extracurricular activities of people no longer exhausted after a day at the office?  More broadly, in an age no longer dominated by agriculture, is the purpose of work truly to produce necessities for survival, or is it more of a complex game by which a discriminatory international society excuses the culling of people it finds to be unfit?  My gut feeling is that in this society the extra work provided by PEPCK might largely end up being used in military conflicts and the guarding of prisons, and the main motive to use it would be an economy that would refuse to permit the survival of those who do not.

 * Despite all these worries, we cannot ignore the potential for our understanding of this biochemical pathway to solve major health problems such as type II diabetes and obesity. We cannot idly reject the chance to extend and improve all human life.  It is necessary to pursue this technology while making sure that it doesn't become more of a curse than a blessing. Mike Serfas 22:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the news is too optimistic. Dont tell me that these mice are perfect, wont there be any side effects from such a genetic mutations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.39.230 (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


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 * I don't know what that means. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That he be in the state pressing the flesh or have some sort of organization there. --David Shankbone 20:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Genetically altered mice are "superathletes"

This is a very surprising discovery, and I think an article on this topic should make it to the Wikipedia main page. Note, however, that I have not as yet accessed the full journal article, so my contribution remains incomplete. Others are invited to finish up and publish this article if they get to it first. Mike Serfas 20:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I should be able to get access to the paper on Monday but this will be all over the news by then. We're probably better off putting out this version as is. JoshuaZ 20:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

"leap forward"
"The change does not represent a leap forward in the evolution of the mouse, which in fact produces tiny amounts of PEPCK-C naturally in skeletal muscle, but rather a shift in regulation of the natural metabolism to favor performance over efficiency." - I'm uncomfortable with this sentence for a variety of reasons; for one, this reinforces the common misconception that evolution progresses in some way. JoshuaZ 20:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * By adding this sentence I admittedly interjected something of an opinion into the article that may not be fully appropriate. But I'd like to make it clear that if a box of these mice falls off a truck, it almost certainly would not mean that the entire world would be taken over by genetic super-mice.  Turning on PEPCK-C in skeletal muscle is something that could probably happen from a simple insertion of a transposable element in any generation of mice that has ever lived, although the slow change in expression pattern by micromutation over twenty or many more generations wouid be more typical of natural evolutionary processes.  This should also quietly remind those of us thinking of lining up for treatment, that nature for whatever reasons has not preferred this way of doing things.  The need for more food is one obvious drawback, especially when in the presence of predators every foraging trip may be the last.  I understand that the term "forward" can be misinterpreted - but "a large positive selective coefficient in the wild" would make the text even more unaccessible to the common reader, and I already have added too much jargon for a proper news article. Mike Serfas 21:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How about saying something like "This is not as major a change to the mouse genome as it might seem to the layperson. The PEPCK-C gene is already present in the mouse and a variety of natural mutations could likely cause similar results." (I actually don't see why they wouldn't have a high selection coefficient. Presumably the increased food requirement would be a serious issue in resource poor areas but in resource high areas I'd expect the modified mice to outbreed normal mice. JoshuaZ 21:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * This is not the first time that the press has dubbed a genetically modified mouse a "mighty mouse".

Certainly, the news here isn't what the press has dubbed earlier genetically modified mice. I may be nitpicking here, but I'm slightly allergic to any rhetoric that attempts to turn news themselves into news -- the yellow press tactic. Suggest rephrasing. 82.181.37.241 19:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That's a good point but I'm not sure how to rephrase it. What do you think of "This is not the first time that genetically modified mice have been dubbed "mighty mice". That also has the advantage since it seems like the researchers in both cases were involved with the introduction of the terms. JoshuaZ 19:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


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Pipe bomb found near nuclear power plant in Arizona

November 2, 2007 The Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station in Arizona is currently locked down while security teams are doing a sweep of the area after a pipe bomb was found this morning.

Arizona Public Service Company (APS) spokesman Jim MacDonald said a contract worker was stopped at the main gate of the facility for a routine security sweep and a suspicious looking device was reportedly found in the bed of the worker's pickup truck. APS owns the station, which is located in Wintersberg, Arizona.

According to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (MCSO), the suspicious looking device was a pipe bomb.

"MCSO bomb squad tests later determined that the capped pipe was a credible explosive device," said APS in a written statement.

The worker was taken into custody, and the entrance to the plant was immediately closed. The suspect, only described as a white male, lives in a Phoenix apartment complex, is reportedly an engineer who works with computers, and is cooperating with police.

Three schools in the Saddle Mountain Unified School District were locked down voluntarily, affecting about 1,500 students.

According to Fox News, the Department of Homeland Security's operations center was monitoring the incident.

MacDonald said the plant nor the public are at risk, "We have a large and well-trained security force that followed the procedures exactly the way they're supposed to." The incident, which was classified as an "unusual event" -- the lowest emergency classification, is not believed to be terrorist related.

The FBI and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department are investigating.

The Palo Verde plant is about 35 miles west of Phoenix and is the largest nuclear electric generating site in the country, producing as much electricity as nine Hoover Dams.


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Comments:Pipe bomb found near nuclear power plant in Arizona

hummmmm...very suspicious! an explosive device right at the entrance of such a huge energy plant, why? I wouldn't discard so soon the hypothesis of a terrorist objective in this case. Jaime Saldarriaga

Isn't the title a little bit misleading? Reading the title I thought the bomb was right by the power plant, although the truth was that someone who was bringing a bomb in got caught.


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Alice Cooper says reality show 'The Osbournes' ruined Ozzy Osbourne's career

November 2, 2007 Solo American hard shock rock artist Alice Cooper has commented that The Osbournes, a reality TV show starring heavy metal vocalist Ozzy Osbourne, ruined the career of the Black Sabbath frontman.

Cooper said he felt that by allowing daily life in his house to be broadcast to the world, he destroyed the mystery that had previously surrounded him.

"Most fans thought he lived in a big, dark castle with skeletons in the cellar." said Cooper.

"When that show aired they knew he was just some guy who potters around his Beverly Hills mansion.

"It was meant to be some kind of comedy but the audience was laughing at Ozzy, not with him. And as a close friend, that made me very sad." Meanwhile, both artists have related news this week. Finnish solo symphonic power metal soprano Tarja Turunen, most famous as the former Nightwish frontwoman, has released a 30-second preview of her cover version of Alice Cooper's top ten hit Poison, which will feature on her upcoming album My Winter Storm.

Cooper himself has stated that during an upcoming tour he will replicate a mock hanging for the first time after a near-fatal accident performing the same stunt in 1988, only this time he will also be wearing a straightjacket.

Meanwhile, Ozzy has blamed illegal music downloads for poor sales of his latest album Black Rain, saying that the low sales have forced him into a 90-gig world tour that he has admitted he can barely cope with.


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What a joke
Osbourne no longer had a career. Black Sabbath and Osbourne as a rocker were long gone. If anything, The Osbournes put him back on the map, and his kids too (whereas nobody had heard of them before). --David Shankbone 21:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have to agree there. I wouldn't say he was a complete write-off, but I would say he was fading fast. The Osbournes picked him up a bit, although to be honest he may have to think about giving up soon. Sad but true. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And if Alice Cooper thought Ozzy Osbourne still represented evil and spookiness to people, he clearly had not heard of the Marilyn Manson phenomenon. The giving up thing is always tossed around for the old codgers (Bowie, The Stones, et. al.)  --David Shankbone 21:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, it's allways hovering right there. A shame in almost all cases, particularly as I admire the spirit to keep on performing when you get ancient. Lol, but not for The Coop. He seems determined to still be scheduled to play the night he has his fatal heart attack - or even, based on that gallows collapse, kill himself right there onstage! Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Last time I saw a performance of Ozzie on TV he was a shambling wreck. The show simply showed him as a tragically funny working class guy who'd made enough to have a mansion. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

ozzy vs the coop
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Comments:US scientist says he created first 'artificial life form'

hummmmm...women have a sixth sense, I would rather wait for a more definitive report on this issue.....Jaime Saldarriaga.

first artificial life form in us
ya it is very useful to coming up in new genaration like us.but how should he will say that is a artificial life form ? that is not a artificial think. coz it will take the in of the bactiria.not ot out of the filds.krishanthy

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Criss Angel challenges Uri Geller and Jim Callahan over paranormal claims

November 10, 2007

On Halloween night, October 31, during a 2-hour long live episode of NBC show Phenomenon, famed magician Criss Angel told Uri Geller and Jim Callahan, "I will give you a million dollars of my personal money right now if either one of you can tell me specific details of what’s in [this envelope] right now." While Geller ignored Angel's challenge, Callahan started to confront Angel in a hostile manner, as host Tim Vincent held him back and Geller held Angel back.

Previously Angel made it clear that he will not "tolerate" fellow magicians who try to pass their illusions off as paranormal. For example, on the day before the Halloween special, Angel told Larry King, "No one has the ability, that I'm aware of, to do anything supernatural, psychic, talk to the dead. And that was what I said I was going to do with Phenomenon. If somebody goes on that show and claims to have supernatural psychic ability, I'm going to bust them live and on television."

In the midst of the confrontation, the TV show cut to a commercial break. Vincent said the show was not "Jerry Springer." When the last contestant appeared Angel said it was "a hell of a lot more entertaining than the previous act." The following week Callahan was voted off the show by the TV audience.

James Randi, a former magician who had previously worked with Angel and a long standing critic of Geller and psychics, wrote of the incident, "Criss Angel said, in his rather lengthy comments, '[Callahan] demonstrated something that is unexplainable to some' — though to whom that might have applied, I cannot fathom — and Criss is beginning to sound very much like that chap James Randi, tossing about a million-dollar challenge."

This is not the first time that Uri Geller has been challenged by a professional magician. Thirty years ago, during a French television show called Droit de réponse, Gerard Majax demonstred that all "so called" powers shown previously during the show by Geller could be reproduced by a magician even more convincingly than Geller.


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News?
The real "news" in this story, unstated in this uncorrectable "archive article", is that The TV performer Criss Angel failed to pay Uri Geller the 1 million dollars he claimed to be willing to pay when Uri Geller correctly stated each and every mark on Criss Angel's hidden paper. If you watch the event on any of the available documents of that scene, such as on YouTube, if you pay close attention you will notice that every detail of Criss Angel's hidden message were stated by Geller in the few seconds before Angel cut him off. Geller said "9", then "1" and then "1". Angel immediately cut him off and the performed his claim that Geller failed the test. This is interesting "news" to some. Stvjns ☺☻ 09:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is the news in this? Am I missing it? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree this is a little who cares. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know what precisely constitutes news (I mean almost all tv celebrity junk doesn't interest me but I think many people consider it to be news). Given that some major news outlets considered this to be news, I think I'd be ok with calling this news. If these sorts of issues do keep coming up we may need to make some sort of guideline about what is news. JoshuaZ 23:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be waiting for the wikiquote collection of quotations from pop-culture fans who think the evil cabal of wikinews are crazy deletionists bent on killing popular culture. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just do not see where the news is here...prove me wrong. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, how are defining "News"- if for example we define it as something like new information on current events, then this is news (but then so is every detail of the show). News strikes me as very hard to define. If we used the definition of something like "new information that people care about" than almost anything anyone writes is news by definition. Maybe "New information about current events that people want to read"? This last is more restrictive and is somewhat vague but may work better. In any event, this article is more news than the recent Doritos promotional we had for example. JoshuaZ 01:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just fail to see anything here that is worth the time and day...I see nothing here that would make further news...I see nothing that can come of this and I see nothing other than a promotion...If I had noticed the DOritos article I probably would have said the same thing. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I see how a lot of things aren't worth the time of day, but if for example someone wrote an article on whatever Britney/Madonna/Aguilera/tart-de-jour got involved in, I wouldn't begrudge them the writing of it. And again, this has been covered by other news sources (included in the article for example) and by a number of prominent magicians have commented on this such as James Randi- see the current top item at Randi's website. This may be borderline but it looks ok. JoshuaZ 20:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

 * As a note, our 4th all time most read article is Portia de Rossi talks about Ellen DeGeneres, sexuality. (According to that new list of most read articles on Wikinews, forget what the link is.) Things that aren't critical "sell". --  Zanimum 19:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is news, which is why news article are referenced. I think you can ask "why does this matter" to just about every news article and find someone who doesn't think it matters. C56C 22:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikinews doesn't have a notability guidelin! This article is interesting to me, because its much more news worthy to have an international celebrity called out than a fat baby (IMO).

 * Regardless, this article has been abandoned. No edits to content have been made since November 4.--SVTCobra 00:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC) Nevermind. My apologies. --SVTCobra 00:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

While I am not keen on this story, personally, it is hard to argue with it, given some of the Meat Loaf and Lordi stories. It is news which in this case happens to be about entertainment and popular TV and such. I kinda wish we could have had it sooner or not at all. --SVTCobra 02:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If that is a quote by James Randi, why does he talk about himself in third person, and in a detached manner?