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Great Picture!☻☺ Thanks. Happy editing Bawolff ☺☻ 08:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I can only find info on an event like this from about a month ago. can you provide a source. speciicly for the Meterologist warning? Bawolff ☺☻ 08:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:Flooding in Nakhon Sri Thammarat

Original reporting
If this article contains original reporting then the person who did the reporting should place a note on this talk page explaining what information is original, and what they did to obtain it (e.g. observed flooding, took pictures, spoke to people on phone, had to swim to work, etc). - Borofkin 23:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Misc
I can't find any confirmation for any of this: from: http://www.thaimet.tmd.go.th/eng/default.asp which i think is the meterolgic department listed in tha article. (If it is, they could use a course in web design!!!)

Nakhon Si Thammarat 	Rain, not freezing, continuous slight

I found some flooding articles for a month ago (see src i listed because i missread the date) and some for 1988 but none for right now. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * There's plenty flooding in the south of Thailand, I believe it has been responsible for the reduction in insurgency activity in the area. See:

It's hitting the north of Malaysia too,

Brian McNeil / talk 07:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Develop -- Housekeeping
Changed to develop tag -- simply because it's disputed. --Chiacomo (talk) 07:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

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President Bush of the United States authorized NSA surveillance of citizens, bypassing court warrants

December 16, 2005

In 2002, as a part of ongoing anti-terrorist operations, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency (NSA) to spy on Americans and others in the United States making contact with persons in other nations. According to a The New York Times report, the NSA monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of "hundreds, and perhaps thousands of people" inside the United States over the past three years without warrants.

Specifically, the NSA performed wiretaps on international communications that included a U.S. participant. The authorization was kept secret until December 2005, when it was reported in The New York Times, engendering serious controversy over both the legality of the blended international/domestic wiretaps and the revelation of this highly-classified program in a time of war.

According to The New York Times, John Yoo, the former deputy in the, justified the domestic spying in a classified legal opinion, arguing that these activities were covered by congressional approval of the. That legal argument was similar to another 2002 memo authored primarily by Yoo, which outlined an extremely narrow definition of torture. That opinion, which was signed by another Justice official, was formally disavowed after it was disclosed by .

President Bush insisted that he has not compromised. "Revealing classified information is illegal," he said during an unusual live, on-camera version of his weekly radio address, about this secret program that was revealed in media reports yesterday. Senior members of congress from both parties called for an explanation. chairman, stated that "there is no doubt that this is inappropriate". Senator defended the NSA directive saying "I don't agree with the libertarians. I want my security first. I'll deal with all the details after that."

Traditionally the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducts most domestic eavesdropping after obtaining warrants for it. The domestic mandate of the NSA has been traditionally limited to the surveillance of foreign nationals and embassies. The NSA has reportedly obtained court orders to undertake missions in Washington, New York and other cities.

Several national security officials say the jurisdiction granted the NSA goes far beyond the. Under the act, it's necessary to seek a (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrant every time law enforcement eavesdrops within the U.S. Some officials say they consider warrantless eavesdropping inside the United States to be unlawful and possibly unconstitutional.

One government official involved in the operation said he privately complained to a Congressional official about his doubts about the program's legality. But nothing happened. "People just looked the other way because they didn't want to know what was going on," he said.

The New York Times, the newspaper that broke the news, stated that it delayed publication of this story for a year after the  said it could jeopardize investigations and alert would-be terrorists under surveillance.


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Senate rejects short-term extension of the USA PATRIOT Act

December 16, 2005

The US Senate failed to renew certain provisions of the which are due to expire at the end of the year. A vote to end the which has stalled the bill gained only 52 votes, failing to advance the bill.

A majority of Democrats and some Republicans have resorted to a filibuster, citing concerns that the bill under consideration which permits government access to confidential personal data failed to safeguard privacy and protect innocent citizens from government scrutiny. Four Republicans joined the Democrats in voting against the bill, while 2 Democrats voted in favor of ending the filibuster.

"That decision is irresponsible and it endangers the lives of our citizens. The senators who are filibustering must stop their delaying tactics and the Senate must reauthorize the Patriot Act," said President George W. Bush of the senate vote.

The measure to extend some of the PATRIOT Act measures has already passed in the House of Representatives. The Act was originally passed in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, and gives the government secret access to private information such as library and medical records, as well as roving wiretaps which may apply to multiple phone numbers.


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Talk:US offers to eliminate duties on Cotton, Africa says it's not enough

Umm, Is Africa really saying its not enough? Nyarlathotep 19:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. They want the USA to remove subsidies as well as duties.  --Sfullenwider 22:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

global village
i understand farming subsidies and sympathize with the american farmer. however, the world is changing. prosperity for africa could benefit the whole world. why not free up the market and make it more competitive for all players? give africa a chance.


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Talk:President Bush of the United States authorized NSA surveillance of citizens, bypassing court warrants

The corresponding article has been protected from page moves due to a near-violation of the Three Revert Rule. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 22:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure who wrote this article, but the typo in the title ("autorized") needs to be fixed immediately.

Incomplete
There is a lot of speculation in this article, "perhaps thousands"? An estimation is fine, but please attribute it to whomever it belongs to. In addition, this article is lacking much background and present information and quotes, which would make for a much better article. Please search for some new sources if you cannot find anything else to put in this article, as it is very short and very brief. I've moved this back into developing, as I feel this article will need to be edited quite a lot. Additionally, there are items that aren't addressed in this article - such as responses from WH officials, etc. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 20:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * You are continue with your critisised pattern of using tag first and, in the best cases, critisise on talk later. International 23:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * And yet frankly, I'm dumbfounded. When I don't use the tag and explain, you complain when I leave messages.  When I tag and don't leave a message, you accuse me of dashing.  I tag and leave explanation, you're all up in my face.  Pick something and deal with it.  This is a wiki.  I'll object to anything that I see isn't up to our policies. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 23:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I see you dont have a clue International 23:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Obviously not. Now, are you going to respond to my claims or are you going to criticize me further?  I'd like to get this out ASAP, but I won't sacrifice quality if I don't have to.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 23:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Does ASAP mean +3 hour of nothing from your tag? Just curious International 00:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I refuse to respond to any more comments left on this page. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 00:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I want to suggest some more information for this article. The news reports in your more thorough minority among the mainstream media (i.e. NPR news, Meet the Press) are sporadically mentioning a 1972 Supreme Court decision against Nixon that outlawed this exact practice (domestic espionage without a warrant). However finding information on this has been difficult, and the only legal perspective I've found in this article and most others are references to PATRIOT or FISA which, while relevant, are simply conveying the Whitehouse's widely publicized justification and do not represent an objective or complete explanation. --Knuckle Bean 16:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It would be nice to expand the article to include more background information on

1) the NSA mandate 2) the 1972 decision that you mentioned (first time I heard about it) 3) the reasons given by the current administration
 * that would move the article out of the he-said-she-said realm to something that could be used to actually inform the reader to make his own opinion. I am all for it, but will be away from the computer all day today. Knuckle Bean, if you get a start on it, I am sure others will help. --vonbergm 16:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

title
Someone changed the title whitout discussion. i suggest another one:

"Report: Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic surveillance without courtwarrants" International 01:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

or

"Report: Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic surveillance of international conversations without courtwarrants"

International 02:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

or

"Report: Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic eavesdrop of international conversations without courtwarrants"

International 02:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

By now, there are several independent reports out, so we can drop the "Report:". Also, the title should be as short and concise as possible. The original title was actually quite good. I also like the Post's title. --vonbergm 02:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The new title is good too. I still believe we should drop the "Report:". --vonbergm 03:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Its ok for me to drop "Report:" International 03:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

The following quote from the Post should sufficiently justify dropping the "Report:"
 * The existence of the NSA domestic surveillance program was reported late Thursday by the New York Times and confirmed by U.S. intelligence and counterterrorism officials.

Isn't "court warrant" written separately? - Apollyon 15:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverted Mrm:s titlechange. Discuss titelchange here befor. International 16:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverted again, this is not funny International 16:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's not? I guess you want discussion now?  Well, too bad.  I do believe you drove away any comments from me yesterday (as seen from above).  I will refuse to discuss any items of this article any further.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * How very mature... - Apollyon 17:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

As they say, it takes two to tango. MrM, I've not spent all that much time on wikis really, but I've yet to see an edit war where bboth parties were not at fault. Everyone, ONE set of reverts is a natural part of wiki operation. People must take it to the talk page once people find themselves reverting one another; however, people should not feel obligated to use the talk page until one set of reverts has occured. Nyarlathotep 17:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Mrm dont like Title:
Acknowledged: Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic spying

and revert it back to his usuall...What to do? International 21:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with the word "surveillance".. -Chiacomo (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

picture
Im not sure how to use this image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National_Security_Agency_seal.png

anywikinewsie know? International 01:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Tanks IlyaHaykinson! International 02:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
The author of the NYT piece has a book coming out on the same topic in weeks, he's hardly an unbiased source. There was also no secret about this, apparently Congress was briefed over a dozen times, there is also little indication that this was done WITHOUT FISA court approval. -Jbamb 17:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see how the author also writing a book about this makes him biased. The other statements you made contradict ALL the sources of the article. Do you have ANY evidence to support what you are saying? --vonbergm 18:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

bush speech today says he indeed did this, gives his reasons, and says he will continue. he also criticizes release of this info. i assume someone is busy incorporating this info into article, but i don't know how to check.--Cogito 19:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * He also says it's legal. Let's put it this way, it's not up to me to prove it's legal, it's up to those who assert otherwise to prove it illegal. -- Jbamb 22:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The 4th Amendment in the Bill of Rights states "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." monitoring all phonecalls by someone because of possable connections with terrorists is unreasonable and does not describe what's being searched. -- JedG 00:09, 31 December 2005 (EST)

Very good. The article does report Bush's statement. Moreover, it points out that there is a legal memo claiming that it is consistent with the law. So I relly do not see what you are complaining about. --vonbergm 23:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Bushbashers?
Oh grow up. --68.85.27.47 20:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Breaking News
I think this is breaking news now. Mrm reverted the tag. Anywikinewsie who agree its breaking news feel free to tag it. International 21:13, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Title again
I am not sure why people insist on changing the title to misrepresent the story! 1) What is up with the Report:? This information has been verified by several independent sources and now President Bush himself. Can the overly conservative wing of wikinews please stop trying to be even more protectionist of Bush-lover's feelings than the White House itself! 2) At issue here is not that the NSA is surveilling "international conversations". After all, that is its mandate. The issue is that now the NSA has been authorized to spy on American citizens within the territory of the Unites States of America, while they are convesing with abroad. One would think that anyone with enough interest in editing the article would have figured that one out by now. (Looking at the edit history, my assumption that people that change the title have an interest in developing the article stands on very weak footing....) --vonbergm 00:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Y'all need to have a nice cup of tea and a sit down before y'all have a stroke. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Vonbergm, you make good points. However, you're making them all on the subject, and not the article that is on Wikinews.  The article is all about the NYT report, and was published last night.  International or yourself should have made a separate article for Bush's acknowledging of the incident, however just changing the title doesn't quite cut it.  If you think the title should include all that stuff, add it in the article first and then propose a title change.  But don't juice up the headline if the story doesn't have the meat inside of it.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont understand this. I taged the article Breaking just to gets wikisnewsies attention after I changed the title so it could be made up to date. Then you reverted tag   and title  mrm. Now you complaining about that I didnt split the article. I will fullfill your wish. International 02:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Now I suggest we change title to "Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic eavesdrop of international conversations without court warrants" International 02:45, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I will object to that; that title is way too confusing and too long (it's almost too long in it's current state). Once an article is published, it is assumed "complete".  New articles will be made after the previous one is published.  If the article was developed for a little bit more, there would only be one article, and you wouldn't have to go through this again.  However, the changes you wanted to make warrant a new article.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree its to long "Bush secretly authorized NSA domestic eavesdrop without court warrants" is a good sum up of the article International 03:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

 * MrM, at the time that the article was first published, there were two sources, namely the Times and the Post, that did confirm the story independently through sources. The Post article did distinguish which part is based on the Times article and which one is not. The part that was particular to the times was (and still is) indicated as attributable to only one single news source. All of this was explicitely discussed on the talk page BEFORE people went ballistic on the title yesterday, and WY BEFORE people continued to do this today. The only reason that the article was still developing today instead of being followed up by a new article was that some people started taging it with NPOV and forced further development, at which point it seems silly to ignore new development. --vonbergm 06:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

MrM, I don't know where your getting off with the current title, it does not address the actual issue, which is that the surveillance was appplied to U.S. citizens within the U.S. International, your title with spying in it is just asking for it. Titles can be "computed" from information priority, which can be reasonably objectively ranked as follows:

1) domestic surveillance without warrent 2) applied to U.S. citizens 3) Bush & NSA 4) international endpoint

MrM, you are clearly pushing a very low priority point. Clearly, all four of these points must be treated in the first paragraph, but you absolutely can't say international without somehow saying domestic. Of course, I fully suppport your desire to replace the loaded word spying with surveillance. How about:
 * Bush authorized NSA surveillance of citizens, bypassing court warrants

With the international endpoint being clarified in the first sentence or two. Seem okay to everyone? Nyarlathotep 17:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Unauthorized authorization
"Authorized" suggests he had the authority to do this. A dubious contention at best.

I'm not sure I have a better term, but "authorized" seems wrong.

Perhaps better: "Bush ordered NSA surveillance..."

"Bush initiated NSA surveillance..."

"Bush initiated illegal NSA surveillance..."

 * You are very right. While "Bush initiated illegal NSA surveillance..." faces the same problem as at this point the legality/illegality is not established, the term "ordered" seems to fit perfectly. If other people agree I will change "authorized" to "ordered" in the title. --vonbergm 14:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


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Please Don't remove comments on talk pages. Its considered quite rude. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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Portal talk:United Kingdom

Suggestions for external links:-

Please note that most if not all of the materil avialble on these links is likley to be Crown or parlimentry copyright, be sure to read any restrictions on use listed...

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmwib.htm - UK Parliment "Weekly Information Bulletin".

http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/parliamentary_publications_and_archives.cfm - Parlimentary Publications and archive...

http://www.parliament.uk/hansard/hansard.cfm - Hansard for the UK Parliment. It's contains an account of proceddings in the UK parliment. This could be debates, orders of business etc... (Also - http://www.hansard-westminster.co.uk/)

Information on current UK legislation can be found here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/index.htm

The main Office of Public Sector Information website can be found at: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/about/index.htm

RSS Feeds
Hey, It would be good if there was a specific RSS/ATOM feed for UK News. Also, the rss icon on the main UK page (which this is the discussion for) seems to point to a .svg icon rather than to an actually feed, could someone fix this (I don't have edit rights or know where the actual rss feed is). 86.9.113.121 (talk) 09:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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West Wing star John Spencer dies from heart attack

December 16, 2005 John Spencer, who played vice presidential candidate Leo McGarry on NBC's "The West Wing," died of a heart attack Friday, his publicist said.

Spencer, 58, died at a Los Angeles hospital, said publicist Ron Hofmann. Hofmann released no other immediate details.

Spencer's work on the show earned him an Emmy Award for supporting actor in a drama series in 2002, as well as a Golden Globe nomination. Before appearing on the hit political drama, Spencer played the quirky and charismatic New York attorney Tommy Mullaney on "L.A. Law."


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Talk:Mozilla, Internet Explorer adopt universal RSS symbol

Bill will save Microsoft?
Microsoft has been late to the gate for ten years. Let's hope, since Bill is back on the development team, they can get back to the source of innovation they once were. I don't mind dishing out for a product that's worth dishing out for.


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