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This article could probably be improved if the first paragraph contained information on what they were charged with (see WN:SG). The title also needs improvement, as it doesn't really tell me anything (there are alot of Evangelists in the world). Bawolff ☺☻ 07:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Maybe rename to "Kent Hovind's 2008 criminal appeal denied by circuit court." Jesuslovesu (talk) 19:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The article claims original reporting, yet there are no notes as required by WN:OR. --SVTCobra 21:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Get stuffed. We can work out he read the damn thing. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Kangaroo Gestapo court?
Based on this article, I'm convinced that the line of "sufficient evidence" is a complete lie; and that this whole thing is the result of someone in a high position of power trying to shut down a ministry just because they don't like it. That the judge would order new instructions to a jury AFTER closings is very telling of just how cooked up this whole thing is.

I do hope the Supreme Court not only overturns all this nonsense, but that they forcefully remove from the bench that worthless judge who "convicted" the couple in the first place. If this isn't stopped, it's very possible that anyone with an evangelical view may be arrested just for having a bank account.

I may not agree with everything every evangelical says, but I think it's quite obvious that when a biased judge finds a crime where numerous bank tellers and lawyers find none, and then strong-arms a jury in an illegal manner, that it's tyranny all the same.161.57.231.45 (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


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Sri Lanka Army captures Tamil Tiger's capital of Kilinochchi

January 4, 2009

President Mahinda Rajapaksa called on Tamil rebels (LTTE) to surrender to end the quarter-century of civil war and their struggle for a separate homeland amid the capture of Iranamadu junction, town of Paranthan. He claimed that the recapture of Kilinochchi on Friday is a unparalleled victory against terrorism and separatism. "The time is not far off when people of the north can breathe freedom again, we should pay the gratitude of the whole nation to those heroic soldiers who achieved that victory," Rajapaksa said. The President further appealed for the release of civilians in Vanni.

The downfall and liberation of Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam' mini-state, de facto and administrative capital Killinochchi is a fatal blow to the rebels' 25-year struggle to create an independent state for the Tamils, an ethnic group native to Tamil Nadu, a state in India, and the north-eastern region of Sri Lanka. They predominantly speak Tamil, with a recorded history going back two millennia.

In November 2008, the Sri Lankan Army launched an attack on Kilinochchi from three directions. LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran said he promised to defend his stronghold by reverting to guerrilla-style, hit-and-run attacks. "No sane voice is being raised either to abandon war or to seek a peaceful resolution to the conflict," Prabhakaran said. The Battle of Kilinochchi lasted between November 2008 and January 2009 as part of the SLA Northern offensive when the Sri Lanka Army assaulted the Tamil Tiger capital and stronghold. The military announced on Friday it had gained control of the town as the rebels moved towards Mullaitivu, a small town on the north-eastern coast of Sri Lanka, and the capital of the district with the same name in the Northern Province of Sri Lanka. The rebels struggled since 1983 to establish an independent nation for the Tamils. The conflict resulted in more than 70,000 deaths.

Meanwhile, a suspected suicide attack near the Sri Lanka Air Force headquarters in Colombo killed two airmen and a member of the bomb-disposal unit, and wounded 37 others, three of them critically, just an hour after the President delivered his speech. According to air force spokesman Wing Commander Janaka Nanayakkara, the 37 injured were 16 airmen.

Sri Lankan Army's air force jets and Mi-24 helicopter gunships bombed rebel targets near Oddusuddan and Mullaitivu towns Saturday, when the military closed into the rebels' military headquarters. Government soldiers troops also advanced further to recapture the Elephant Pass which was seized by the Tamil Tigers in April 2000, killing hundreds of soldiers. The strategic Pass, at the Northern Province is located at the entrance to the Jaffna Peninsula which military wrested from rebel dominion in 1995. The rebels however claimed that "the Sri Lanka army has entered a virtual ghost town as the whole civilian infrastructure as well as the centre of the LTTE had shifted further northeast." Troops of the 59 Division attacked the LTTE's coastal garrison, south of Mullaittivu, where the battle had already begun. The siege reportedly killed over two dozen Tamil rebels.

Using the strategic crossroads of Paranthan Junction, the Sri Lankan Army's forces advanced Sunday in hot pursuit to capture the Tamil Tigers' last strongholds. It launched both ground and air assault on Elephant Pass to the north and Mullaittivu to the east. "Day by day, the Tigers' territory is shrinking and their numbers are dwindling. The objective of finishing this war won't be that long off," said Maj. Gen. Jagath Dias.

Tamil National Alliance (TNA) parliamentarian Chandrakanthan Chandraneru of Tamil United Liberation Front, called on the Sri Lankan government to bring in a political solution, since the war will continue despite the capture, unless the ethnic crisis is solved. “Everybody is now saying that the east is currently an open prison where people can neither walk nor talk freely. Same thing will happen to Tamil people in the north,” he added.

Mano Ganesan, MP, leader of the Western People's Front (former WPPF) declared that "political solution to the national ethnic question after the total military victory is not acceptable to the Tamil people. This contention would not convince the international community too. This is the hard truth."

State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid asked the Sri Lankan government to respond to the Tamil concerns. The Tamil Tigers had been "one of the most notorious and brutal terrorist organizations over the past 20 years," and "a peaceful dialogue is what is called for to resolve the differences and legitimate concerns of the Tamils," he said.


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USC defeats Penn State in 95th Rose Bowl Game

January 4, 2009

92,293 fans watched the University of Southern California defeat the  by a score of 38-24 in the 95th annual, which took place Thursday at the  in.

USC quarterback led the Trojans with 413 passing yards, a career high, and 4 passing touchdowns. The Trojan offense surged in the first half, scoring four touchdowns and a field goal to give USC a 31-7 USC lead at halftime. Prior to the game Penn State's defense only allowed an average of 12.7 points per game.

, Penn State's head coach since 1966, watched his team fall behind early from the stadium's press box due to a hip injury suffered in 2006 after a player collided with him during a game. After USC increased their lead to 24 points, television broadcast a shot of Paterno in the press box shaking his head. Paterno commented: "They certainly deserved to win it, but I'm a little disappointed that we weren't a little bit more competitive. And a lot of that was because we made so many mistakes in the first half."

The Trojans compiled a record of 12-1 during their, the sole loss coming when the defeated the then-top-ranked Trojans on September 25. A win in that game possibly could have earned them a spot in the, which is set to be played next week between the and the. On the win, Sanchez commented, "We mixed up the run and the pass so they couldn't really key on anything. I think we really maximized our potential. I don't know if it was a matter of opening up the playbook or us just executing very well. Maybe a little bit of both."

The Nittany Lions finished the 11-2, with the only regular season loss at the hands of the. Incidentally, Penn State defeated Oregon State on September 6, 2008.


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Welcome back :)
Welcome back to Wikinews! Can't wait to see your new main page proposal! Irunongames •  play  19:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Review
Hi There,

Thank you for reviewing several of my article's. I was wondering if it was no trouble if you could review two of my articles that are nearing the time limit. They are Daughter of U.S ambassador Eric John dies after New York City fall and Algerian forces kill at least al-Qaeda rebels

Many Thanks, Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 19:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Didier Drogba withdraws from Cote D’Ivoire national football team
When you published this story, EPR failed to sight it, so instead of going to the main page, it went to WN:Newsroom. I sighted it for you. --Pi zero (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear...
Looks like we've both started the same article. Here's the one I started. Do you want to merge yours into mine or the other way round?  WackyWace Central Perk 18:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that.  WackyWace Central Perk 18:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. ''' WackyWace talk 18:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  WackyWace talk 18:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

James Lee photo
I worked for a little while with trying to get up another image of gunman, then gave up.

FYI, unless I'm mistaken, Facebook profile pictures are public domain, unless the user sets their privacy setting otherwise. See http://www.facebook.com/policy.php and look under, "'Everyone' Information. Information set to 'everyone' is publicly available information, just like your name, profile picture, and connections. Such information may, for example, be accessed by everyone on the Internet (including people not logged into Facebook), be indexed by third party search engines, and be imported, exported, distributed, and redistributed by us and others without privacy limitations. Such information may also be associated with you, including your name and profile picture, even outside of Facebook, such as on public search engines and when you visit other sites on the internet.  The default privacy setting for certain types of information you post on Facebook is set to 'everyone.' You can review and change the default settings in your privacy settings. If you delete 'everyone' content that you posted on Facebook, we will remove it from your Facebook profile, but have no control over its use outside of Facebook."

You could have, and also can do so now, put the Lee picture on Commons as Public Domain. Regards. 24.125.55.90 (talk) 01:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * ('Publicly available' does not mean 'public domain'.)
 * To verify the picture, we need a link to the profile from which it was downloaded, or authentication by a reliable news source. It won't go on Commons, but here on Wikinews with our other fair use images.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Semantics, semantics... oh my! InfantGorilla writes, "Publicly available does not mean public domain." Okay, I won't argue over the semantics of that.

 * But further note, Facebook says at the end of the above quoted paragraph, "If you delete 'everyone' content that you posted on Facebook, we will remove it from your Facebook profile, but have no control over [your profile picture's] use outside of Facebook."

 * To me, that is the same as saying Facebook isn't going to go all legal over the issue of its use. So, does it make it public domain? Who cares? What matters is that it makes it useable for publishing and redistribution, because Facebook isn't going to do anything about it.

 * Oh darn! I just realized that I'm arguing a Commons issue here on wikinews. Sorry. 24.125.55.90 (talk) 17:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is a Commons issue.
 * We do use some Facebook profile pictures here - for example File:Dominique Cottrez.jpg.  Red Thunder uploaded the James Lee Myspace photo with similar reasoning: File:James Lee.jpg.  Sadly, legislators like extending copyright terms, so neither may ever be tagged as public domain.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Gunman holds hostage in U.S. television station offices
I've raised a concern on the talk page. --Pi zero (talk) 15:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

user page
I took the liberty of semi-protecting your user page, as you seem to be a target of the trolls. Hope you don't mind. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your talk page is now protected per persistent vandalism. Also blocked the troll one week. (Note to all: yes, I did use the bot account that was not approved for this purpose, but seeing as nobody was able to handle this, I took the liberty to end this crap. Feel free to yell at me at my talk page though ;-) --Diego Grez return fire 00:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

privs
'''Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.'''
 * Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use.

 * Point 4 of the Privilege expiry policy provides for fast-tracking reacquisition of privileges. We all understand that real-life commitments can severely curtail the level of commitment you can give to Wikinews; the privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.

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Maria de Jesus, the world's oldest person, dies at age 115

January 2, 2009

Portuguese Maria de Jesus died Tuesday, at 115 years and 114 days old. The vegetarian, non-smoking, teetotal farmer had only visited a hospital once in her life, outliving her husband by 57 years, and two of her five children. The cause of her death is either unknown or has not yet been released.

De Jesus had five children, 11 grandchildren, 16 great-grandchildren and six great-great-grandchildren. She had no need for a mobility scooter — instead she lived on her farm and moved with a walking frame, declining nursing care. However, due to sight and hearing problems, she could not easiliy recognize her family, including daughter Madalena, 84, with whom she lived.

She never went to school, and could not write, but one of her children said of her that she never "fell ill, nor took any medication."

She became the world's oldest person after the November 26 death of American Edna Parker, who was 115 years and 220 days old. Her position as the world's oldest person has now been taken by American Gertrude Baines, 114.


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UN warns of humanitarian crisis in Gaza

January 5, 2009 Amidst ongoing Israeli bombings of Gaza, with the death toll of the bombardments up to 537 with another 2,500  people wounded,  UN food agencies again warned that the people of Gaza are facing a heavy humanitarian crisis.

"The current situation in Gaza is appalling, and many basic food items are no longer available on the market," Said Christine van Nieuwenhuyse, the World Food Program's (WFP) representative in the Palestinian territory, in a statement that was released on Friday. "This area ... is one of the poorest and most heavily affected by the recent conflict," she added.

WFP officials said that they have begun to give bread to 15,000 new recipients, a number which added to the already large group of people that had been lining up for bread after two years of Israeli blockades of Gaza, the most recent of which began in early November. The blockades, surely a catalyst for violent Hamas attacks, have been condemned by Human Rights Watch as a "violation of international humanitarian law."

Struggling Gazan hospitals say that they are completely out of even the most basic medical supplies and have little or no capacity to deal with further casualties. In addition, Israeli ground forces entered Gaza on Saturday causing an immediate spike in casualties and even attacks on the hospitals and paramedics themselves.

As sewage runs through the streets, many Gazans are trying to flee the area by storming the border with Egypt, a move which Egyptian police blocked on Sunday and are planning to do so again today as Egyptian leaders ordered their policemen to open fire on Gazans trying to flee into Egypt.

Hasan Khalaf, Gaza's assistant deputy health minister, described the ongoing assault on Gaza as "an Israeli massacre".

"There is no comparison between what we have and what [Israel] are doing to us. The international community are standing unable to help us, and yet we know they have been helping Israel for tens of years."

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Red Thunder Red Thunder's local time is:  : . Click [ here ] to refresh. {| Hello all. My user name here is Red Thunder, and I am an administrator on the English Wikinews. This is my home project in the Wikimedia Foundation, so please contact me here. I joined the site about awhile back, but then decided to take a break for quite some time around March of 2009. I have now returned, and continue to write and help to maintain the site.
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 * This still doesn't appear on the main page - I think it's because the revision has not yet been flagged. Dendodge (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ahem, Red Thunder is not a member of the Editor class of users. see list. --SVTCobra 22:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Blood Red Sandman sighted the article nonetheless, so it should show now. --SVTCobra 22:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * After doublechecking the guy on Wikipedia I reckon he can be trusted, so yeah, I sighted his review. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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Chemical firm LyondellBasell collapses

January 9, 2009

Global chemical manufacturer LyondellBasell — the third-largest private chemical company in the world — has collapsed. The firm filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States, as well as the Dutch equivalent. They had failed to meet a January 4 deadline on postponed debt payments, and talks with creditors failed.

Headquartered in The Netherlands, LyondellBasell is owned by private equity tycoon Len Blavatnik, who had already refused the company a loan to help deal with debt resulting from a $12.7 billion merger between Basell International Holdings and Lyondell Chemical to create LyondellBasell Industries.

The company had already appointed Kevin McShea from Alix Partners to restructure the firm. McShea was assigned speculatively prior to the bankruptcy filing. Access Industries, Blavatnik's company, refused to extend credit as part of a loan deal brokered in March, a decision Lyondell Chemicals Company, a subsidiary of LyondellBasell, stated they were unhappy with.

LyondellBasell had postponed $280 million worth of interest payments, which Standard & Poor said placed it in "selective default" with a "rapidly weakening liquidity position". S&P also said that LyondellBasell have debts of $26 billion in a report on the company prior to the firm's collapse.

LyondellBasell responded with a press release, issuing the following statement: "Standard & Poor's definition of 'selected default' related to our corporate credit rating should not be misinterpreted to suggest that LyondellBasell is currently in default of its bank agreements. As they stated in their press release, 'This is a default in our opinion according to our definitions and criteria.' LyondellBasell is not currently in default according to its agreements with its lenders."

The company met with high oil prices shortly after the expensive merger. This was followed by a general tail-off in demand caused by the ongoing financial crisis. Investors were continuing to bet before the collapse that the firm would restructure under bankruptcy protection, leaving lenders with big losses, potentially over 90% of their investments. The cost of credit protection for LyondellBasell bonds had soared. The creditors include Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, ABN Amro and UBS.

On Thursday, an interim allowance was made by a judge for LyondellBasell to seek up to $2.167 billion of loans. There is also an emergency loan paid out of $100 million. As well as LyondellBasell, 79 affiliates have become insolvent. Citigroup has said the collapse will set them back $1.4 billion in unpaid debts.

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Wikinews Shorts: January 3, 2009

John Travolta's 16-year-old son dies
Jett Travolta, the 16 year old son of movie stars John Travolta and Kelly Preston, has died in The Bahamas, after he suffered a seizure while on holiday there at the Old Bahama Bay Hotel on Grand Bahama Island.

Jett, who has a history of seizures, died at the scene after striking his head on a bath. He was the eldest of the couple's two children.

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Preliminary report released on Denver 737 crash
The United States National Transportation Safety Board has released an initial report into the December 20 crash of Continental Airways Flight 1404 at Denver International Airport.

The Boeing 737 veered off the runway and skidded 2,000 feet, injuring 37 of the 115 passengers and crew on board. The report notes strong winds of 27m.p.h., gusting up to 37m.p.h., but stated that this should not have prevented a normal, safe takeoff. Investigations are continuing.

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Russian teen's US fashion chain bankrupt with $54.4 million debts
KP Fashion, the United States chain that sells clothing designed by 16-year-old Russian designer Kira Plastinina, has filed for bankruptcy. Papers supplied to the court in Manhattan show the Los Angeles based company has assets of $9.7 million compared to debt of $54.4 million.

Plastinina's father spent $80 million founding the company for her seven months ago and most of the twelve open and two new stores are to go. The company also has outlets in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and a webstore that is listing 70% discounts. Cyprus-based Lendero is the biggest creditor seeking repayment on a $29.9 million loan.

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International Cricket Council to launch hall of fame
The International Cricket Council has announced plans to launch a cricket hall of fame as part of its centenary year events. All 55 players already on a list by the Federation of International Cricketers' Associations are to be honoured, and more will be added each year.

The current list features 22 English, 12 West Indian, 11 Australian, three Indian, three Pakistani, two South African and one New Zealand cricekters, including 1899 retiree WG Grace. The most recent to leave the sport is Javed Miandad, with no current players on the list.

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My illogical stretching of the Ox to Jan. 1
I had discussed my fallacy and I am deeply sorry for stretching backwards the Ox to Jan. 1. I had discussed this at length in my page. Thanks for your pointing my deliberate error, since I desire to merge Jan. 1 and Jan. 26. Happy New Year.--Florentino Floro (talk) 07:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Print edition/sponsorship

Do you want a free mini newspaper that your visitors and clients can take away? One where all you pay are the printing costs? One that you can insert an advert in and not have nightmares about copyright and licensing?

You need to look at the Wikinews print edition, and join the discussion on how you can use Wikinews to promote your brand.

Our print edition is not just 'The Free news source you can write', it is the free news source you can give away. Through use of progressive Creative Commons licenses all Wikinews content can be republished for commercial, or non-commercial purposes. Wikinews gets more readers, those readers get a free mini newspaper, and as a sponsor you get a place to put an advertisement.

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Template upload/download
Can we get the ability to put the OpenOffice .OTT templates on Wikinews? I don't think it will be too difficult to make an alternate template with a space for a sponsor's message; the question there is do we want the sponsors creating the print edition with their advert? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * On the tech IRC channel I got told it is hard to verify the .OTT files are 'safe'. As an alternative I can manage them on http://www.wikinewsie.org. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sponsorship is a two-way street
There is money set aside in the WMF budget to support volunteer efforts to further the reach of projects, the most obvious application of this is getting things like large size posters printed. It would be great to see people or companies who are using the print edition to get their advert in front of people helping further this idea. If we can get back to reliable production of the print edition I do not see why we cannot get the WMF to fund a modest Adsense budget as a kick-off. I personally would be happy to tailor a copy of the print edition with a handful of adverts in it if the advertisers were putting money into a pot to further the reach of Wikinews. Needless to say, they'd also be expected to foot their own printing costs. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

"Sales pitch"
If we're going down the road of having sponsors get their message in print editions we need to push our own message too. The print edition is more valuable to readers if we have more articles - and thus more valuable to the advertisers. So, there needs to be a more up-front/challenging invitation to contribute in the print edition. And, assuming the only Wikinews URL in the document is http://en.wikinews.org, the main page needs a prominent link to invite people to contribute. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Automation
Having spoke to Craig about the creation of the print edition, 90+% is automated. Integration of pictures into leads is essentially the only manual part, everything else is just straight cut-n-paste. Can we get to 100% automated, stick this on the toolserver, and do versions with embedded ads for distributors? --Brian McNeil / talk 11:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

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Israel begins ground assault on Gaza Strip

January 3, 2009

The Israeli military has confirmed that their troops have began a ground assault on the Gaza Strip. The assault also includes tanks and more air assaults, according to a statement issued by the Israeli government. For several days, the Israeli military had been massing over 10,000 troops and equipment along the Israel-Gaza border, in what was believed to be a preparation for a ground invasion.

"A short while ago IDF forces (Israeli Defense Forces) began to implement the second stage of Operation Cast Lead. Land forces have begun to maneuver within the Gaza Strip. The objective of this stage is to destroy the terrorist infrastructure of the Hamas in the area of operation, while taking control of some of rocket launching area used by the Hamas, in order to greatly reduce the quantity of rockets fired at Israel and Israeli civilians," said a spokesman for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs in a statement on their website. The Israeli military began a massive air assault on Hamas forces and government officials several days before troops entered the Strip.

Reports state that Israeli forces are engaging in gun battles with Hamas troops as they enter the city. Hamas had warned Israel that any invasion would be fought in a violent battle, which Israel states could take several days before the military operation is completed.

The IDF said that civilians are not its target, earlier dropping leaflets from the sky warning residents to leave the area immediately.

"Those who use civilians, the elderly, women and children as 'human shields' are responsible for any and all injury to the civilian population. Anyone who hides a terrorist or weapons in his house is considered a terrorist," added the statement.


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You wikinewseditors as a collective and some of you in particular are useless.
How the hell can you let a shitty article like this be publiched? It is better to go to IDF:s own pressreleases and read about it. Editors of this article should be permanent banned just to clean up the mess of bad journalism. What a shame. Wouldnt have anything with wikinews to do for anything. international (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Go back to the same box as Waldorf and Statler, they contribute more. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This puppetshow seems to prefer israelfriendly reporting over good one. Whouldnt set up a "box" at this bad show. You liek israel Brian McNeil? let me give you a prop Use it well.  international (talk) 19:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to want an anti-Israel bias, something we won't add in. I am opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza, but nonetheless will not let that stop me and others ensuring neutral reporting. We can't make allegations in articles. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Im out of words. Look at the article, that you btw have reviewed. It is only israelis that is quoted, israelis point of view. (have you heard of wath that make an acronym?). There is obviously a totaly comunity supported israelibais and hopfully wikinewsies are blind to it. Wether its on purpose by a few... Either its major clusterfuck and FAIL. My bias is certainatly not on the israeli side but this article, a first lead one, is pure israeli asslicking. And thats what editors and defender of it do, knowingly or not. Wikinews has FAILED international (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My, my, my! Someone turned over a rock. Just so others know I remember you. A friend of Neutralizer and similarly zealous Anti-American and Anti-Israeli POV pusher. Piss off or offer constructive criticism. Sniping is a terrorist activity. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In this case your described povpushingtendency would be really healthy. Sorry for you and others who pretend to be journalists cant recognise US/Israeli bias in this article if so tattooed into your forhead. international (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As per usual you avoid the challenge. Where is your specific constructive criticism? What credible source would balance this article? And why/how? That's right, you don't have an answer for that. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The article was written within half an hour of the invasion. Hamas had better things to do than say 'We're being invaded', but Israel had stuff ready to say. There is nothing else as nothing else had been said. Now, give up or get banned permanently. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Im not going to teach you two journalism. Just fucking readingskill. You didnt even read what i wrote a few lines up. "It is only israelis that is quoted, israelis point of view"

There have been shouting between israel and hamas for a week and hamas have said things that easy would fit the article like: Hamas said earlier... (in direct quotation).

 * "Reports state that Israeli forces are engaging in gun battles with Hamas troops as they enter the city. Hamas had warned Israel that any invasion would be fought in a violent battle, which Israel states could take several days before the military operation is completed."

This is weasly made. The 'notquote' is put in a context with followup by israeli statements.

 * "The military does not want civilians to be harmed during the assault, earlier dropping leaflets from the sky warning residents to leave the area immediately."

Leave where? anyone have a idea where? Maby it should be ment. Just hint that a good journalist should have a clue that palestineans are not winged and gaza is like a ghetto (ref int. for thoughtprovocation)

 * "Those who use civilians, the elderly, women and children as 'human shields' are responsible for any and all injury to the civilian population. Anyone who hides a terrorist or weapons in his house is considered a terrorist," added the statement.

So have this shit in the article is what? Like civilians can do anything about it when they are trapped inside gaza by the israelis! Why not write it in the article then. No, it make IDF happy to understand it have its boys/girls in Wikinews.

Congratulations, you missed that: Article sucks, is POV and IDFpropagandish. Article made the small statement traceble to hamas in a sentense ended with israeli coment/promise. Articlewriters have no clue/dont inform themself. Write articles about subject they obviously dont know a shit about. Futher conclusion is as Wikinews is its reporters: Wikinews is broken beyond repair sinse long time. international (talk) 23:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 'tard, can't even provide a source, let alone read an article with a cynical enough eye to read between the lines. I see something where you can read, "Don't worry 'civilians', we'll only shoot you if a member of your elected government uses you as a human shield." Sometimes quoting an aggressor's words is the most effective way to condemn them. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not all "'tard'"s out there is as cynical as you are. Wonder if it a good jounalistic trait to obscure articles? Anything more you demand a reader to do, exept spending more time to find sources than the writers? (there was so much news written about the conflict so your question for a single source for a hamas statement during the bombings before the groundattack make me wonder about you, your sincerity.) Anyhow, I took time to specify my critic and it fall of you like water on a duck. You Brianmc is, together with a few more, very much wikinews. More than others by time here and effort put in. One can say you personify the fail of Wikinews then. Well not realy alone. Dragonfire wrote most of this article and he is quite an old Wikinewspersonality. Unfortunatly this is crap from a journalistic view. So a last time. Any of my critic of the article that penetrait your stubborn point of view Brianmc (or other involved)? international (talk) 00:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I worte this as BREAKING NEWS. I could not find, AT THE TIME, a Hamas response. It seems that MSM is more biased if they cannot even print a sentence response in their articles. Can you find a legit Hamas response from a legit news source? Then add it. Don't come here and bad mouth me or anyone else. You have an account, do something about it. Don't disappear for god knows how long then come here and run your mouth like you are some god. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I sometimes read some articles here, some very good ones. But everytime it ends by some article thats bad and povish, specially the articles about conflicts usa or israel is involved in, and i remember why i gave up editing here. Though somtimes articles make me really angry, like this first lead one. And tonight I had time to waste trying someting I already regret. Cant change you, guys. With mouth of god or not, haha. international (talk) 04:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here, already in th list of sources are enough material to make it right. But now is it to late. just bring it of the firstlead. international (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So write another article about the Hamas response. There is ALWAYS room for more articles. Its never too late to expand on a current event. There is no need to have your attitude that could easily be resolved with writing a few words or paragraphs in a new article, or when this was breaking news. I am not surprised by the response everyone gave you international. We do what we can with what we got. Since you yourself say this is a collaborative site, then collaborate. Do something about it. Fix it. But don't degrade everyone because you might hold a POV of your own on a subject. Just because we may or may not agree with what is happening, does not mean a good article cannot come out of a discussion, not an argument. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You should edit this article yourself for breaking the neutrality rules if you will report as independent news journalist. You report the article as a first party just like you are President of Israel or Israel Military Commander. Without a proper edit for wording this article is a humiliation to wikinews' neutrality. It stays in the Wikipedia Main Page as the First News. That is why I came here and read and try to edit this mess you called breaking the news in the first place. Even the summary is not neutral "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." after Palestinians have over a hundreds civillian casualties. The attack is not only against Hamas when you use cluster bombs over a city. Kasaalan (talk) 11:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Israeli Gaza Strike Neutrality
"Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." IDF allegedly claims the strikes are only against Hamas, yet over a hundred civillians are dead including children. IDF strikes with cluster bombs which leads heavy civillian casualties especially when used over a small city where civillians live crowdedly like Gaza. Cluster bombs does not pinpoint any particular target but an area. The bomb explodes into shrapnels and destroys a certain diameter. IDF Strikes targets Hamas, that is true, yet it is not obvious the target is only limited to Hamas gunmen. Another case might be more neutral. Saying airstrikes are [only] against Hamas, might lead to covering the heavy number of civillian deaths by IDF.

"Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes on Gaza, trading heavy fire with Hamas gunmen in the area." Israeli troops trade heavy fire with Hamas gunmen in Northern Gaza Haaretz Example

I will seriously edit this article by neutralizing.

"The military does not want civilians to be harmed during the assault, earlier dropping leaflets from the sky warning residents to leave the area immediately."

This is just a claim, you cannot present IDF claims like they are facts. Even mentioning IDF as "the military" not neutral, "the military" is US Army for an American citizen, and IDF for an Israeli citizen. Kasaalan (talk) 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

My edited version

 * The Israeli military has confirmed that their troops have began a ground assault on the Gaza Strip. The assault also includes tanks and more air assaults, according to a statement issued by the Israeli government. For several days, the Israeli military had been massing over 10,000 troops and equipment along the Israel-Gaza border, in what was believed to be a preparation for a ground invasion.

 * "A short while ago IDF forces began to implement the second stage of Operation Cast Lead. Land forces have begun to maneuver within the Gaza Strip. The objective of this stage is to destroy the terrorist infrastructure of the Hamas in the area of operation, while taking control of some of rocket launching area used by the Hamas, in order to greatly reduce the quantity of rockets fired at Israel and Israeli civilians," claimed a spokesman for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs in a written statement. The Israeli military began a massive air assault on Gaza [] several days before troops entered the Strip. Many Hamas forces and government officials has been targeted, yet the operation also resulted in high civillian casualties of Palestinians.

 * Reports state that Israeli forces are engaging in heavy gun battles with Hamas troops as they enter the city. Hamas had warned Israel that any invasion would be fought in a violent battle, which Israel states could take several days before the military operation is completed.

 * Israeli government and Israeli Army claimed, they do not want civilians to be harmed during the assault, earlier dropping leaflets signed by the commander of the Israeli military, saying in Arabic they are "obliged to respond quickly and work from inside your residential area" because of "the activity of terrorist groups", from the sky warning residents to evacuate their homes. Yet Palestinians claimed "they had nowhere else to go and would stay in their homes."

 * "Those who use civilians, the elderly, women and children as 'human shields' are responsible for any and all injury to the civilian population. Anyone who hides a terrorist or weapons in his house is considered a terrorist" Israeli army declared.

News is no joke, if you will make 1 sided news like this, you can never be an independent journalist. This article still needs heavy editing adding casualties with Hamas, Palestinian and third party quotes. The article is not neutral at all by the first version, it has no difference from official IDF statements. Kasaalan (talk) 10:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Kasaalan, I disagree with your proposed edit. Results and responses go in a new article, as they weren't available at the time the news was published (a few hours after the ground assault began.)  See Breaking news for our approach to this.

 * Also your edit missed the most egregious non-neutrality: the IDF statement said that civilians are not its target (and qualified that statement), but the wording of the article appeared (to me and some other contributors) to go much further by saying it did not want civilians harmed. Although it is very late to make any changes to a published article, I attempted to address this with an edit. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * You say this is just breaking the news but the article still stays as News Article Number 1 in Wikipedia Main Page. "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." Against Hamas is just another claim.

 * Israeli Troops Launch Attack on Gaza Published: January 3, 2009. And I can find more and more example if you like. This is really breaking any independent news rule I am aware of and neutrality statements of wikipedia. If it couldn't be edited in the breaking news hours, it could have been edited later in a more appropriate way.

 * All should mark this article as poor for neutrality, just as any other standard except layout.

 * Also anyone who you approves this article as neutral, and let it published without an edit, should better quit even e-journalism immediately, or research more on Israeli-Palestinian conflict history and for latest Gaza Strike in particular. This article only contains IDF statements, and it even reports them as solid facts and publishes them as first party.

 * Statements and declarations, whether written or spoken, are also claims, you report them as claim generally especially for disputed cases. Using the claim is not non-neutral at all, using it as "allegedly claim" is. Anyway reporting a statement as "does not want", like a first party, is like a joke for a news article.

 * The article contains many mistakes. It says IDF dropped leaflets saying leave your homes, alright but they have blockade for entrance and exit to the area, anyway, also they won't let people to return to their homes if they leave the area once. Israeli statements are generally only for Public Relations. Kasaalan (talk) 10:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

There appears to be a glitch with the sighted revisions system. When logged in I see "The military does not want civilians to be harmed during the assault" though my latest sighted edit (visible when not logged in) replaced this with "The IDF said that civilians are not its target,"

Have I misunderstood the way sighted revisions work?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I purged the page: surprisingly (to me) that fixed it. --InfantGorilla (talk) 12:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Kasaalan, you said: ''Wikipedia Main Page. "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." Against Hamas is just another claim.

I think you are talking about the English Wikipedia (as I don't think that phrase appeared on this site.) You could take that up with wikipedians, for example at w:Template talk:In the news.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * That wikipedia refers to this article somehow but thanks for the link, I will also object there. "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area. And the sentence there is not neutral, but I try not to use "allegedly against" phrase as it might be unsuitable, do you have any suggestions for the wording. Also good work, at least now the article passes criterias other than neutrality, article is still one sided, yet it is in publishable shape. Kasaalan (talk) 10:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area."

 * "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes on Gaza, claims targetting Hamas, in the area. 6 Israeli soldier and 631 Palestinians are dead, over 300 civillians of at least 130 are children, 2700 wounded."

 * Can anyone suggest a better wording for above summary.

 * Source : GAZA MAP INDEPENDENT
 * Source : Israel ground war drives up civilian casualties By KARIN LAUB JERUSALEM (AP) 1 hour ago

 * Over 300 civillians are dead by now and over 130 of them are children. IDF uses Phosphorus Bombs over such a crowded and small city like Gaza, Bombing even Schools and Hospitals. Kasaalan (talk) 10:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I made my proposal, to simply delete "against Hamas" from the headline, at w:Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. However a Wikipedia admin thinks that the headline satisfies Wikipedia policy: w:WP:ERRORS (though I think such a headline would be unpopular here at Wikinews.)  Different wikis have different ways of doing things.   --InfantGorilla (talk) 11:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks on your great help for wikinews neutrality on behalf of journalism. Kasaalan (talk) 11:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


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Good luck and best wishes to all Israeli soldiers participating in this operation. You are fighting on one of the biggest fronts in the global war on Islamic terrorism, defending the civilized world, and we all stand behind you. Give them hell!

 * I wouldn't stand behind them. That's where the Hamas missiles land. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Lulz--KDP3 (talk) 01:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Collateral damage
The article says: The military does not want civilians to be harmed during the assault,

Really?

Neither the IDF nor Hamas seem to care about civilian casualties.

If Hamas cared, it would not site rocket launchers among human shields, nor fire them at civilian targets. It would smuggle medicines into Gaza, instead of rockets.

If the IDF cared, it would rely on legitimate self defense measures such as anti-missile weapons and sabotage. It would not bomb or invade a refugee settlement.

There is plenty of blame to go round. It is not a military battle, but war criminal versus war criminal. Fighters, and leaders, on both sides should be reminded that 'following orders' is no defense in a trial.

--Hroðulf (talk) 22:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Hroðulf I disagree on calling Israeli military and political leaders "war criminals" if a Nation/Group shoots missiles or mortars rounds into my nation for 7 years and and their goal is to kill every single member of my race/religion and they hide in civilans areas and used them as human shields which is a violation on the laws of wars. (including killing innocent people but if you hide behind them then you violate the laws of war and the attackers are innocent.)--KDP3 (talk) 01:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * There are a very large number of tanks and air attacks, being used to "defend" against a very small number of rocket launches. The IDF is well aware of the illegal human shield tactic of Hamas, and chooses to use tanks and bombers, instead of saboteurs and anti-missile weapons.  You suggest that the use of a human shield makes the attackers on one side innocent, but by that reasoning, both sides are innocent.  Neither do I think that reasoning is correct: ('According to former Canadian Supreme Court Justice Louise Arbour, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, "the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians" is a violation of international law. ... This must be changed.'   )

 * IDF and Hamas fighters should not rely on legal contortions to protect their consciences. They should instead risk court martial and defy illegal orders.

 * Otherwise the human shields will be punished, without trial, for the crimes of the fighters. Does the IDF believe that women and children who ignore the leaflets deserve to be injured?

 * --Hroðulf (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Wow I am shocked how the loophole in that Law and how easy it can be use for human shields. But Hroðulf if you see your nation building defenses instead of attacking the problem how would you react? And the Israeli popluation want to the end of the Rockets attack not a missile shield.
 * And the fact that is a small missile attack its a attack from a enemy that wants you dead. You can't stand idle especially if its Israel. And on a last note Hamas goal is to kill every single jew and cast them into the seas. Israel just want to the end up the rockets attack. Yes I agree Israel should work better at minimizing the civilian death toll but sending in saboteurs would work? How can Israel can their soldiers in a city with 20,000 militants and no i don't believe innocent people should be injucied because Hamas used their backyard for a rocket site.But If their terrorist attacking my nation i would use every mean to defend my people and the people of Israel is a mixed group. And Hamas dos not care for the international law they even inspect their own religion to justified their wars and the Israeli troops are fighting for their nations right to lived.--66.229.21.217 03:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Hroðulf, I believe that Israel obviously cares about civilian casualties. Why else would they send those warning text messages and drop leaflets (causing them to lose their surprise-attack advantage, even)? Furthermore, they do rely on anti-missile weapons (|Nautilus) - this one was the one that was recently in the news about a town suing the Israeli government because they didn't get one (I think I read that it's not effective against all kinds of missiles, and that's why that town didn't get it). A 1/4 civilian casuality rate, while of course tragic and unfortunate, is still extremely low. (From |wikipedia, the Iraq war had roughly 30,000 dead Iraqi combatants, but 85,000 civilian casualties at its most conservative estimate.) To me, it seems that Israel is stuck in a difficult situation and alternates between the carrot and the sword hoping to find one that works.67.180.175.228 19:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

How do such mindless people get so powerful

Israel and the 'good, friendly press'
In this article, as always now, there is a strong and partial POV to Israel. Israel sieges Gaza, but it's 'all guilth' of Hamas, right? Hamas was elected in 2006, declared a cease-fire, while Israel filled Cisgiordany with settlers, sieged Gaza, killed 60 palestinians. Hamas is considered 'terrorist', while before, Fatah was 'corrupted'. It's all BS. Israel has made crimes against Pal. Settlers are illegal. Sieging Gaza is illegal. Hamas has broken the ceasefire because Israel continued to make impossible life inside Gaza. And so? should we consider 'Hamas sin' all this stuff? 72 ONU resolutions have spoken cleary, but Israel, with US help, simply ignored them. And now, 'because rockets' Israel shells and bombs Gaza killing hundreds. Shame! Human shields? Are you kidding? Gaza strip is densely hinabited, how is supposed drop a 1 t bomb without kill civilians? Hospitals, markets, ports bombed and destroyed. The fews that are reporting INSIDE Gaza strip are writing about how Israel has a criminal intent against Palestinians, and not only Hamas. Israel even blocked an medical ship trying to sink it, only because pacifists tried to send 3 t medical aids to Gaza! This was in INTERNATIONAL waters. So is this a crime? Yes. It is, and totally gratuoitus.

If Wikinews cannot report stuff like these, then it makes POV articles Israel-friendly (they must had to invate Gaza, LOL). Almost it's written that Hamas is an evil, subhumans association, and Palestianias are supposed to be subhumans as well. An additional shame plus the usual, amusing 'conventionals' mass-media.

 * If Hamas is breaking the ceasefire because of the blockade, why does it attack civilian targets? Why not stick within the Geneva Convention and concentrate its firepower on the Israeli military?  Are Israeli civilians subhumans too?  --14:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Your point would make more sense if Hamas has any ability of targeting non-civilian Israeli targets. They cannot cross the border and they do not have any precision weapon. Unicode (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

War of Terror
Whatever the unseen reasons behind the conflicts between Israel and Pakistan, starting a war of assault by attacking the city of Hamas from the air is unacceptable. How can the Israel Government claim that their intentions are to destroy terrorists? By mass attack using high technology will only cause destructions and further weaken both sides, sacrificing the lives of hundreds of civilians. Now they are starting on ground attack? The move by Israel is a crime and should immediately condemned by the international communities, particularly the UN Security Council. Whatever the reasons are, war is never the solution..

Why is stopping someone from anihilating you a war crime. Hamas acts like spoiled children who throw a temper tantrum when they don;t get handed what they want. Hamas terrorizes Palistinians as well as Israelis and ANYone that stops them is a world hero.

Absolutely. This will lead only to more and more violence. And excuses and excuses to make another 'melt lead' operations. The aim of Israel'PM is clear: it's called 'ethnic cleaning'. Out Palestinians of Palestine, in settlers=Eretz Israel. All it's meant to make impossibile to pals to live (see Hebron, as example), and then cleaning them and replace with illegal settlers. So it will be the 'final solution'. But wait: when Serbia did it to Kosovo NATO declared war. Now almost all the countries supports Israel..

international protest
The European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, on Sunday pledged an additional $4.2 million of emergency aid for Gaza and called on Israel to respect international law.

"Blocking access to people who are suffering and dying is also a breach of humanitarian law," Louis Michel, EU's humanitarian aid commissioner, said in a statement.

"I call on the Israeli authorities to respect their international obligations and ensure a 'humanitarian space' for the delivery of vital relief," he said.

Humanity?
I believe that no matter what each side believes, there still most be humanity and while they might be warring each other it doesn't give them the right to ignore basic human rights of the civilians involved in this struggle.

It's about time that the IDF was allowed to put an end to the Hamas terrorism. In this age of heightened sensitivity to people's rights, it amazes me that the average Israeli citizen isn't allowed the basic right to live in peace from Hamas terrorism.

 * I would be amazed if IDF would be able to put an end to terrorism. Bombing ordinary people's houses would only anger them and give them a reason to join the terrorists. Unicode (talk) 23:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Pre-emptive War
Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that this is a pre-emptive war? Fephisto (talk) 14:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Was Hamas preparing a ground assault into Israel? Unicode (talk) 23:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Go Jews!
Man, after six years, they finally decided enough is enough. You have to give it to Israel for their patience, any other nation would have done this and more after six months. Kill the terrorists, save the world.
 * But then aren't you the terrorists then, indiscriminately killing Palestinians, and committing genocide? 72.154.53.121 20:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For every civilian killed(after warnings and some aid allowed in) 4 terrorists were killed. If it was anything like what you described the figures would've been very different. But I guess it's "genocide" when Israel causes collateral damage and "resistance" when its enemies kill civilians on purpose.Ya'ir Hunter (talk) 21:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the context, the post I replied to was ultimately encouraging something very different which could have easily degenerated into genocide. It has nothing to do with who is involved then; if it is then it is and nothing changes it. Before then, it is only a misuse and overuse of force that should face its own punishment. 66.20.190.46 22:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Are we reading the same comment? Ya'ir Hunter (talk) 14:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Horrifying is the best description of what is happening.

Power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately.

This is not a pure response to terrorism: this is david vs. the Goliath and not the way you think. THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING>>>THEY ARE BEING MURDERED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS THIS IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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User talk:AndrewAllen

Welcome
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User talk:La Pianista

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Can you please edit User:La Pianista/monobook.js to remove the redlink category? Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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User talk:221.233.197.140

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User talk:Hroðulf

Welcome
DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Signatures
I'm unsure where you got the idea that signatures are not needed on a comments page. Signatures allow people to work out who said what. There's a commmunity-approved machine usually adds them, but I'm doing it myself right now as it seems to have broken down. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * From my observation, I think the bot only works on collaboration pages, not on opinion pages.
 * I got the idea because the head of a talk page says, Please remember to sign all comments with ~  but the head of an opinion page doesn't. Most newspaper websites only expect the vaguest of attributions to their comments, and my feeling is that Wikinews should be the same.  However I think a conversation flows better if contributors voluntarily post a signature of some kind, as I have done.
 * --Hroðulf (talk) 21:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The bot did comments pages as well before it broke down; see here. Since a username is pretty hard to identify people from unless you choose it not to be, and when you edit without logging in the top of the page warns you that your IP is recorded, I don't have a problem with these being used on signatures. I guess the template should probably say something about signing comments. I'll go sort that out. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 23:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Philippines Senate and House of Representatives to probe ‘P50-million drug bribe mess’

Legalize it all. problem solved. Kind of necessary where this economy is going in the next 3 years...

Atty Resado
Just wanted to add my comments. I listened to the hearing earlier and it just highlighted how convuluted and twisted the morals are of our so called “State Prosecutor” John Resado. How can anyone confess to knowing about a bribery attempt then not report it to anyone simply because the one who attempted to bribe him was or continues to be his “close” friend. And then later to provide his decision to “dismiss” the case because of a lack of evidence - evidence that is already suspect of being tampered with…and all the while John Resado maintains that he made his “clear judgement” just based on all the facts of the case. Shame on you john resado….for covering up the bribery attempt because atty lazaro is your self-confessed friend…and then later on to deny that the money in your bank account is from a money-lending business that your family has been maintaining…a business that you later confessed to congressmen that is not registered and that you have not declared on your income tax returns….

It’s a shame that this is yet another case for people to shrug at and say, “only in the philippines…”

Yes, so sad that only in the Philippines that a state prosecutor can think that keeping his friendship and avoiding conflict has a higher priority than upholding the law…that John Resado thinks that it was ok for him to maintain funds from an unlicensed and an untaxed source of income as long as the funds were not from a bribery attempt…

Shame on you Atty John Resado…you bring shame to your profession and to your family name.


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Female suicide bomber kills 40 Shi'ite pilgrims at Baghdad shrine

January 5, 2009 A suicide bombing in Iraq has killed at least 40 people and injured at least 72 more, according to local police. The suicide bomber, a woman wearing an abaya, a robe-like dress, struck near the entrance of a revered Shiite shrine Imam Moussa Al-kadhim Sunday morning in the Kadhimiya neighborhood. The attack comes during a Shia pilgrimage where many Iranians were celebrating the Shia holy Day of Ashura.

Sunday's bombing came during Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar, among the holiest months for all Shiites Muslims, who prepare to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussein, Prophet Muhammad's grandson, who was killed during a 680 battle in Karbala.

A similar attack was perpetrated nine days after a December 26 car bomb exploded a minibus near the same holy shrine, which honors Khadim, considered the Seventh Imam, and killed at least 24 people and wounded 46 others.


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Talk:Female suicide bomber kills 40 Shi'ite pilgrims at Baghdad shrine

I CREATED this latest suicide attack on the Shia pilgrimage shrine on the Day of Ashura. Please help in publishing it. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


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User talk:Erik455

Welcome
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Comments:UN warns of humanitarian crisis in Gaza

Time To Stop
I believe Israel has been wronged but, it is time to stop. You can quickly go from self defense to just a bully. A very childish word I know but, there is no other word for it. Israel needs to lay off. They are killing Hamas but they are also having to much collateral damage for comfort. The government of the Gaza Strip needs to quit harboring these men and stuff like this wouldn't happen. The U.N. should step in along with N.A.T.O. to ease tensions and end this. It seems small now but, this little skirmish could erupt into another Yom Kippur War. A peace treaty of some sort should be reached. Gaza should give up their terrorists and Israel will quit this slaughter. After the fact Israel should provide humanitarian help to Gaza. The U.N. and N.A.T.O. should pressure both countries to accept such a deal. It is definitely time to stop. --Ender (talk) 15:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The idea that Israel had the right to bomb the Gazans in the first place is ridiculous, this is the 30th year of a brutal occupation of the West Bank and an illegal harsh blockade of Gaza, what is Israel's claim of self-defense, that they were attacked by rockets? Well let's take a look at casualties, reports from 2007 estimate that between January and October of 2007 500 Gazans were killed by Israeli strikes.  Okay that was 9 months, 500 Palestinians killed.  What about Israeli casualties?  Between 2002 and 2007 there were eight people who died from rocket attacks eminating from Gaza...without even looking at whether in fact those rocket attacks were somewhat justified, the disproportionate use of force is quite obvious.  Then if we want to get into the context of the issue itself, Israel is an enormous human rights violator guilty of dozens of crimes against the palestinians, convicted by the world court of breaking the geneva convention numerous times, and an aggresive occupier that puts its occupied civilians under an apartheid rule, where is the justification for this assault?Soapy (talk) 18:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I believe someone should blow up Israel as soon as possible, after what they have pulled.

 * That is going too far, though I think you only intended to be controversial by saying that and didn't think beyond that. At this point the existence of Israel is too important in the industrial development of the region. Too much money has been invested into that state to destroy it now. Israeli government policies absolutely need to be changed, and Israeli leaders and military commanders absolutely need to be held accountable for their excessive actions. War crimes trials for all of them. But, the existence of Israel is a fact, just as the existence of Palestine is a fact. Strip the governments of Israel and Palestine from power, replace all of their cronies with outside personnel. They are the causes of the real problems now. Israel mocks negotiations and sends inept negotiators, Palestine is too focused on maintaining its power standing to negotiate enough. Call up France and the UK, let them have the region again. It would be better than this mess. 74.227.158.34 20:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I did think further on, and I was not trying to be controversial. I am just tired of talking about this on the webpages, too long story ;). Israel has been making so much trouble all the time. Don't forget that Israelis came over there after the Palastinians. Second, I don't think France and UK should interfere because I am sick of seeing them interfere with everything going on in this world. Further on, after this atrocious behavior of Israel, I hoped that Arab countries should at least start to help Palastinans now. It is very sad to see that so many Arab countries do nothing about this. I am sorry to break it, they never will. I don't really think industrial development is important right now, many are dying and I think no-one should care about industry as long as people are dying. It seems that Israel is kind of backing itself to USA however they should know by now that USA cannot afford (both financially and emotionally) to fight another war. Should Iran join this war with Israel, USA will join too. But with Iran joining this war, USA would have a major fall and Israel would be blown up in a day.

 * I second that. I think someone should put a stop to this before casualties increase. Tekin (talk • contribs) 17:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

 * So what Israel's government did was wrong, but doing the country the same thing wouldn't be?... Ya'ir Hunter (talk) 22:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Opinion
Here I think Egypt has heard not co-operating would mean repercussions. The thing mubarak fears here is egyptians would know he is in the hands of us, and Israel. That they would know he is as scared for his nation (and thus his power) as his political position (and thus his power). 24.132.170.97 22:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Egypt is the second highest reciever of U.S aid (Israel being number one) so Mubarak is going to do whatever Israel wants them to do, which is whatever the U.S wants them to do. That is why Egypt is helping to repress the Palestinians. Soapy (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


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Bangkok nightclub owner to face charges over New Year's fire

January 4, 2009

The owner of the Santika Club, site of the 2009 Bangkok nightclub fire, is to be charged along with twelve other directors over the disaster. 62 people were killed and 229 injured by the blaze, thought to have been triggered by New Year fireworks on the stage, although investigations are ongoing.

"I feel very sorry for what had happened. I want to apologise to victims' family members," said Mr Setsawat, the club's owner. The club had just three exits, of which one was known only to staff and another locked. A number of people died in the stampede for the door. There was also only one fire extinguisher and the venue was only licensed as a snack bar closing at midnight.

Setsawat has already been charged with allowing an underage customer into the club after a 17-year-old student's body was recovered from the charred remnants of the club. He now faces further charges of carelessness resulting in death. The charges will be pressed once paperwork has cleared, police have indicated. 31 people remain in critical condition in hospitals.


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User talk:124.53.159.169

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Comments:Cleveland, Ohio clinic performs US's first face transplant

This is not about religion.
This news article should have appeared in the Health section.

NOT the spiritualy an religion section.


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Protester killed in West Bank; world reacts to Gaza conflict

January 5, 2009

During a Palestinian rally in Qalqilyah in the West Bank against Israeli attacks on Gaza, Mufid Saleh Walweel, 22, was shot and killed Sunday by Israeli forces, according to Palestinian medical officials. Meanwhile protests around the world took place in response to Israel's latest attacks and ground assault on Gaza.

On Friday in Chicago, 4,000 people marched from Tribune Plaza to the Israeli Consulate demanding an end to the occupation of Palestine, and to the raids on Gaza. Another 40,000 people gathered in Morocco to protest what they saw as the complicity of the Arab regimes in the attack.

On Saturday, thousands of protesters in Indonesia asked the Indonesian government to send troops to Gaza to fight against the Israelis who they called a “terrorist” force. On the same day in Toronto, Canada, 1,000 people gathered in the business district to protest Israeli actions. In addition 10,000 people marched past United Kingdom Prime Minister Gordon Brown's residence in London, hurling hundreds of shoes at his home.

International outcry was not limited to civilian action. Louis Michel, the European Union's humanitarian aid commissioner said in a statement on Sunday that “blocking access to people who are suffering and dying is also a breach of humanitarian law.” The statement promised 3 million euros of emergency EU aid to the people of Gaza.

Al Jazeera says that 507 Palestinians have been killed and 2,700 wounded since Israeli bombardments on the Gaza Strip began in late December. Four Israelis were killed in that same time by Hamas rockets fired out of Gaza.


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Talk:UN warns of humanitarian crisis in Gaza

We should publish it
Please not delete this article. I cannot understand why it was tagged as abandoned, and sentenced to be delete. This stuff must be published. It has a lot of interesting info and the DELETION POLICIES are not meant to cancel articles like this. Instead, try further to imporve and publish it.--Erik455 (talk) 14:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * It was tagged as abandoned because people have abandoned it. People write about what they want/have time for. The best way to save this article is to try doing a little work on it yourself! Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

(We should publish it)Just so we can show we had a good timeline of events on this site.Soapy (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah it's ready, can we go ahead and publish it now? I don't know how to edit for so called style issues.Soapy (talk) 20:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

 * English Wikinews has too few contributors to have a good timeline of any series of news events.  However, that is unimportant: the humanitarian situation is newsworthy in itself.

 * Before the article is reviewed, it needs more work. The article should say that the statement was made Friday, and also post updates (if any) on the humanitarian situation.

 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Bias?
In the interest of fair journalism, should there be phrases like "The blockades, surely a catalyst for violent Hamas attacks," or "As the humanitarian crisis steps up, so do the bombings," or "As sewage and blood runs through the streets" in a news article? These phrases are markedly biased and do not serve to illustrate the headline, "UN warns of humanitarian crisis in Gaza"

 * A contributor's first article is not immune from criticisms such as yours. I have removed "and blood", as it seems to be inappropriate editorializing.  The other phrases you refer to seem to be undisputed facts directly related to the humanitarian effects of the blockade. --InfantGorilla (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Dynamic quiz/quiz/2009/02

Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

Last Updated: January 4, 2009

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Talk:Protester killed in West Bank; world reacts to Gaza conflict

What where when who (and why)
This article does pretty well on the four w's of several protests, except the 'when'. Please go back and add in relevant dates (and times if necessary).

Also please post good sources for the casualty figures, or cite any variation among sources in the body of the article.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 22:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

You got most of these, but you didn't tag the article for review. Was that intentional? --InfantGorilla (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge?
I think that after a few changes I made, this article is ready for an independent review. However, it might be useful instead if you choose to merge it with an earlier unpublished article contributed by Soapy: UN warns of humanitarian crisis in Gaza. What do you think? --InfantGorilla (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I would merge it with my old one if I could, but I'm afraid I don't know how.Soapy (talk) 01:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Your older one is published now, so I no longer think a merge is appropriate. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:Mexican billionaire denies buying Honda Formula One team

He totally bought it.


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Helicopter crash kills eight, injures one in Louisiana

January 5, 2009

On Sunday afternoon, a Lafayette-based Petroleum Helicopters Inc. (PHI, Inc.) helicopter bound for the offshore oil fields crashed shortly after taking off from its Amelia base, into a marshy area near Bayou Penchant about 100 miles southwest of New Orleans. The helicopter had been carrying oilfield workers and 2 pilots. Eight people were killed and the Coast Guard helicopter rushed the lone survivor, a 28-year-old medevacted man, in critical condition, to Leonard J. Chabert Medical Center and then taken to Houma's Hebert Medical Center.

According to Pamela Norton, age 37, a Gretna woman, her ex-husband, Jorey A. Rivero Sr., age 35, of Westwego, was aboard the oil-services helicopter. "He got onto that chopper about noon Sunday," she said. The largest helicopter company in the world, Petroleum Helicopters Inc. (PHI, Inc. - formerly Petroleum Helicopters International) has its home base in Lafayette Regional Airport. It provides helicopter services to oil and gas businesses and also flies medical helicopters. "Eight deceased passengers were recovered by the Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's Department," Coast Guard spokeswoman Jaclyn Young said. According to Richard Ravinelli, PHI Director of Human Resources, the victims' names would not be released until all family members concerned are duly notified.

According to Barbara Bryant, her son who worked for three years on oil rigs, was one of the fatalities. "He just spent 3 months offshore, just because he wanted to save up enough money for a down payment on his own house, and he's been living with me to save his money to do that. He didn't make it," she said. The New Orleans Eighth Coast Guard District Command Center received a distress signal from the Langley, Va. Air Force Rescue Coordination Center (AFRCC), at 3:30 p.m.  Helicopter owner PHI earlier called the Coast Guard, informing  about a distress call from its helicopter. Upon AFRCC request,  Coast Guard's Air Station New Orleans' HH-65C and crew were dispatched to the site of the crash.

Rescue workers at Bob's Bayou Black Marina in Gibson, Louisiana, an unincorporated community in Terrebonne Parish, Louisiana, arrived at boat launch to coordinate recovery efforts for the bodies in the wilderness. The Terrebonne Sheriff’s Office Water Patrol and a Coast Guard helicopter also cooperated in search of bodies in waters near Bayou Penchant, a soupy, grassy area which is only accessible by airboat.

Federal investigators led by the National Transportation Safety Board are scheduled to arrive to the crash site Monday to probe the tragedy.

In June, another PHI Air medical helicopter also crashed in Texas. The Sam Houston National Forest accident killed the pilot, paramedic, nurse and a patient who was being transferred from Huntsville to Houston.


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I CREATED this dire tragedy in US aviation. Please help in publishing it. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

PHI and the news reports did hide the air manifest of passengers for identity purposes
I uploaded the image of PHI's home base which is 2,000 words worth: PHI and almost all the news sources said that the helicopter and the fatalities had been unknown yet to them. This is corruption and stupidity. Philippines and US laws are the same (our Code of Commerce in mercantile or commercial law) in aviation or air transport, whether on air charter or common carriers. PHI is liable for huge damages and has no defense (act of God and force majeure are proper defenses only in land transportation). The actuarial scale of human life vis-a-vis the expected income and station of life of the passengers will be considered by the District Court for the jury's award.
 * Before the helicopter takes off from Amelia, there is a charter contract or if it is common carrier, a plane ticket, a contract of adhesion. Now due to PC and IT, PHI has both the physical manifest of passengers both in office and in the plane. PHI's computer also recorded the names of the passengers and details, plus time of the take off, and more importantly, the last distress signal it received. PHI cannot claim that any helicopter or any of the passengers its helicopters do and did carry are not in the PC control - there in the Image I uploaded, its home office.
 * Why? To bury evidence or to shake off the fear of angry and hungry heirs, who would like a fast Court intestate or will division of the 8 deceased's estate. This is what we call envelope-mental mentality or non-neutral reporting of journalists unlike here in Wikinews. CENSORED so to speak. It takes 4 years to finish an A.B. Communication or journalism degree, then a 2 years MA and another 2 year PH.D. to be a good journalist like James Hookway who interviewed me for 4 hours and another 4 hours on horse field, only to write 20% truth and 80% fictional nonsense about my case and dwarfs. No amount of good style of news writing can ever PREDICT whether a news article will be popular or will land of top, since it is dire acumen or a fundamental option of the Wikinews editor. I do it, without having even having enrolled in one subject on journalism, but my HEART is into it. I call it prophecy, since NEWS is a prediction of what is prophesied.
 * Footnotes: General aviation includes all non-scheduled civil flying, both private and commercial. General aviation may include business flights, air charter, private aviation and charter flights. Air traffic control (ATC) involves communication with aircraft to help maintain separation — that is, they ensure that aircraft are sufficiently far enough apart horizontally or vertically for no risk of collision. Controllers may co-ordinate position reports provided by pilots, or in high traffic areas (such as the United States) they may use RADAR to see aircraft positions.
 * In 2004, the FAA began the process to re-regulate the Part 135 industry, mainly due to the widespread problems created by the tension between aircraft owners and management companies. The FAA felt that air carriers (the air charter companies) had in some cases begun to lose operational control. The term "operational control" indicates which entity (aircraft owner, management company, broker, etc.) is controlling the aircraft's movements, crewing and compliance with applicable government regulations. In 2006 the FAA released a new Operations Specification regulation and guidance which more clearly defined the requirements for operational control of an aircraft performing a private charter flight.
 * In the United States air charter and air taxi operations are governed by Part 135 of the Federal Aviation Regulations, unlike the larger scheduled airlines, which are governed by more stringent standards of Part 121 of the FARs, which are regulations designed for scheduled air carriers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 12:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


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User talk:125.60.159.198

This is a very good story and travesty of Justice. But Wikinews has reviewers and according to style guide, it must be newsworthy, that is, updated with January 4-5, sources. This can be created in Wikipedia English as STUB, you can propose it in Tambayan there. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done..--Florentino Floro (talk) 09:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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 * Reynato Puno *Eddie Panlilio *Jovito Salonga *Philippine Court of Appeals *Ronato Alcano *Minita Chico-Nazario *Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo *Jose de Venecia, Jr. *Antonio Trillanes IV *Manny Villar *Supreme Court of the Philippines *Moro Islamic Liberation Front *Alfredo Lim *Miriam Defensor Santiago *Aquilino Pimentel III *Raul Gonzalez (Philippines) *Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines *Eddie Villanueva *Ferdinand Marcos *Jaime Licauco *Eliseo Soriano *Philippine coup attempt of 2007 *Jollibee *Consuelo Ynares-Santiago *Joseph Estrada *Imelda Marcos *José María Sison *Bulacan State University *Lauro L. Baja, Jr. *Ces Drilon *Meycauayan City *Philippine general election, 2010 *Commission on Elections (Philippines) *Teofisto Guingona, Jr. *Francisco Manosa *Artemio Panganiban *Corazon Aquino *Newsbreak (magazine) *Square Off *MV Princess of the Stars *University of the Philippines *Ang Dating Daan *Juan Miguel Zubiri *University of the Philippines, Diliman *Jose Miguel Arroyo *Maria Beatriz Del Rosario Arroyo *University of Santo Tomas *De La Salle University-Manila *Ateneo de Manila University *Bienvenido Nebres *Benigno Aquino, Jr. *Our Lady of Manaoag *Felipe Gozon *Asian Institute of Management *Florencio Miraflores *Arturo Brion * Rodolfo Noel Lozada *Bernardo P. Pardo *Jose Melo *Leonardo Quisumbing *Caesar Saloma *Bubby Dacer *Sonia Roco *Alex Pagulayan *Shariff Kabunsuan *Adolfo Alix, Jr. *Iza Calzado *Susan Roces *Fernando Poe, Jr. *Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez *Noli Eala *Luis Singson *Karapatan *Jose de Venecia, Jr. *Francis Pangilinan *Jinggoy Estrada *Crispin Beltran * Alfredo Benipayo *Malabon City *Manny Pacquiao *Rufino Jiao Santos *Tony Tan Caktiong *Bayani Fernando *Valencia, Negros Oriental *Social Weather Stations *Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao * Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines *Oscar V. Cruz *Sulpicio Lines *MV Doña Paz *MT Vector *Maggie dela Riva

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