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Tom is a member of NedaNet a group that is trying to get truth of what is going in Iran. He is one of the many NedaNet members who have been harassed because of his beliefs. Earlyer this week he recived a death threat that makes reference to his "support of the supposed traitor mousavi, it also makes refernece to the face that his is an iranian internal affair and it makes reference to my death." Ben another member of NedaNet was also harassed. "They threw rocks out of a car and none hit me. The whole thing lasted maybe 30 seconds, tops. Yelled, threw rocks, yelled, I was behind cover, they drove off. Annoyed me, caused a great deal of worry, and put me on edge since, but physically I'm fine."

Who would do this? "There are sympathizers of the Iranian regime in the west who are likely ideologically motivated and probably represent a significant threat and probably represent a significant" Tom claims.

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=Tom=

Peter: Explain the situation.

Tom: there are a large number of people that feel that, once a people have chosen freedom for themselves, and are being oppressed in their efforts, it's the duty of free people to help. some people feel more strongly about this than others NedaNet feels more strongly. so we decided to help. this is not necessarily a popular opinion among some especially those that thing otherwise; and when we started this, we didn't really think being anonymous was important because we didnt entirely realize the depth of this many of us have corrected this mistake because we've started receiving threats some more credible than others.

Peter: Explain some theats.

Tom: Well, I personally for example, at first received ethemeral messages; you know, chat rooms, etc, telling me that I was..what did they say i supported the traitor mousavi this is an iranian affair i am a westerner and this is about islam etc most recently, i've received a death threat to my voicemail these things, depending on their severity, are often cleverly worded to skirt the law. others in my my group have received similar threats and at least one has been physically attacked

Peter: What is NedaNet?

Tom: NedaNet is a collaboration of people, who at the moment, do a variety of things that we can to help the people in iran keep their line sof communications open we actually do quite a number of things let me try to list some of them the most obvious thing of course is to provide things like proxy servers tor bridges anything to subvert the communications blockage in iran we also try to generally make sure that the message coming out of iran isn't manipulated there are a lot of subversive elements here in the western world, that, for whatever reason, decide to try to spread misinformationor re-paint the picture some of us go a bit further and act as advisors in general on matters of operational security to the people in iran. i can't comment very deeply on that our role isnt static we are willing to adapt anything we find that we can legally do here in the united states, we are willing to give a try to help these people that's just a limited set of options sometimes the common denominator is all of us have at least some contact with iran, or someone who is in contact with someone in iran and we try to fix the problems they have that is a good general description and by the iranians, i of course mean the revolutionaries and protesters, subversives, etc but we promote non-violent means as a group. individuals may feel differently. i dont know

Peter: Why do this?

Tom: i have to note on this question that these are my personal beliefs i suspect many members of the group may share some or all of them at the very least some i dont know, you know, i dont think democracy can be exported by force of arms i dont think it lasts i consider freedom, the idea of personal liberties fair government these things, i consider them as a sort of social evolution not to say that societies which are not free are unevolved there is a certain set of conditions and a certain level of suffering you must have gone through to really have it make sense to choose freedom as a society and that is a big, big step for many countries and it has a huge learning curve. for those of us who understand the brittle line between freedom and tyranny,there is a moral requirement, of sorts, to do everything we can to help granted, we deficient in some definition or another; we're not over there protesting with them but these are, in the scope of things, simple things. a few hours of our time every day that we could contritube to perhaps liberate a people. it's the right thing to do, simply. [ i dont want to call them security personnel they dont deserve that title but these people are killing unarmed civilians in the street beating them to death, shooting them, terrorizing innocent people with their brutality if we dont get this message out, who will?

Peter:Who would want to harm people like you?

Tom:[00:16] there are three groups of people that i think may want to harm us there are people who do it simple to be malicious, i.e. trolls, etc but they would probably not resort to physical harm. there are sympathizers of the iranian regime in the west who are likely ideologically motivated and probably represent a significant threat and probably represent a significant threat and then thereis the possibly of centrally directed action by VEVAK (iranian intelligence), or similiar. which also represents a significant threat. and the question of why? We are effective. it's working information is getting out videos are getting out, showing horrible attrocities people can coordinate their activities, organize rallies stories are getting out of personal tragedy and the brutality, corruption, and lack of moral responsibility of the iranian government the most potent example of this is Neda that poor girl who just wanted to live freely her story is on the web now we have a photo of her death and the coldhearted brutality ofhow she was murdered she is not unique in that! many are dying this way, will die this way. someone has to speak for them we can't let them get away with it. so we don't; we work well at getting information out of the country, at the very least we do our best at coordinating activities in iran and we are having a lot of success i think that's why they want to scare us out of the way if not worse

Peter:Can you sum up the death threat?

Tom: I have been advised by the police to not give out too much information about it. I can say in summary, it makes reference to my support of the supposed traitor mousavi, it makes refernece to the face that his is an iranian internal affair and it makes reference to my death.

Peter::Anything else people should know?

Tom: well i think people need to be aware that many of these forces are not just national this is an international matter while we encourage democracy, others discourge it and you cant say oh this doesnt happen here, i'm an american because that is a falsehood of comfort it's simply not true this effects all peoples of the world if we dont defend the right of other people to choose their own destiny nobody will defend ours if we ever need them to.

Peter: Thank you for your time.

=Ben=

Peter: Is it true you were assulted?

Ben: Yes

Peter: Why do you believe you were assaulted?

Ben: Because some guys were reading up on the Iranian thing, much as we were, only their sites were pro-ahmadinejad, or pro-old regime, or something. They saw that one of the people was close to them, and figured they'd do their part to help their side. I *don't* think it was iranian government agents or a serious attack. Just some guys doing the same thing I'm doing, albeit in a way bit familiar to them.

Peter: How did they assult you?

Ben: They threw rocks out of a car and none hit me. It was ineffective and weird. Whole thing lasted maybe 30 seconds, tops. Yelled, threw rocks, yelled, I was behind cover, they drove off. Annoyed me, caused a great deal of worry, and put me on edge since, but physically I'm fine.

Peter: Anything else we should know?

Ben: A few other people have received death threats, most were probably jokes, or similar situations as the one I think happened to me; just some guys being assholes.

Peter: I think that raps this up. Thanks.

Ben: No problem.

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University study finds U.S. defense contract information in 'electronic waste' in Africa

June 26, 2009

According to a documentary about journalism students at the University of British Columbia tracking electronic waste (e-waste), details of United States defense contracts and confidential military data were left on a donated hard drive which was purchased for US$35 in Ghana.

The purchased hard drive was a donation by Northrop Grumman Corporation, an American aerospace and defense technology company.

The PBS investigative documentary, Ghana: Digital Dumping Ground, tracked what happened to donated or discarded electronics. The journalism students randomly purchased seven hard drives in Tema, Africa. "We plugged them and in and started reading files … They were just sitting there," said Klein.

As part of the international reporting course the students then submitted the hard drives to Enoch Kwesi Messiah, a computer scientist at Regent University to see if any of the previous owners had erased the data on their hard drives before disposal.

Messiah stated, “I can get your bank numbers and I retrieve all your money from your accounts. If ever somebody gets your hard drive, he can get every information about you from the drive, no matter where it is hidden.”

The graduate journalism students under Professor Peter Klein travelled to the Korle Lagoon in Accra the capital of Ghana. Beside the polluted waters is Agbogbloshie, the largest collection of e-waste, useless electronic donations.

“Life is really difficult; they eat here, surrounded by e-waste,” said Mike Anane, a local journalist, “They basically are here to earn a living. But you can imagine the health implications.” The e-waste is burned and rendered down for copper, iron, or gold from the components.

"It's essentially this charred toxic wasteland," said Blake Sifton, one of the students. "It's incredibly difficult to breathe because there's usually between five and six and seven fires going at any time .… and there's tons and tons of this black, sticky, acrid smoke coming out of them."


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Talk:University study finds U.S. defense contract information in 'electronic waste' in Africa

Some things that may or may not be issues (I don't really know): Bawolff ☺☻ 06:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The title seems slightly misleading, I guess data vs non-wiped hard drives is roughly equivalent, but still...
 * Article seems to imply that no matter what you do, someone can read your old hard drive and get your bank card off it. thats simply not true. For starters, the data could be encrypted (although probably isn't for your average home owner. The fact that dept. of Defense is not encyrpting their hard drives is interesting though), if you delete and over-write the data, it is extremely difficult to get it back (supposedly it can be done, but it would take massive amounts of resources. And if you do the whole secure delete/overwrite multiple times with different patters thing, than i think that makes it impossible to recover, but don't quote me on that)
 * I have changed the article as per the comments made above. The second point, I complied as much as the content of the article allows.  If someone with computer science expertise wants to go further than the news article sources, then perhaps they can assist with the article.  SriMesh |  talk  05:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Bawolff, the implication that no matter what you do, someone can read your old hard drive and get your bank card off, is a direct quote of a particular individual. Should we start to argue against quotes, it can become messy, --SVTCobra 00:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


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Former detainees allege abuse at US Bagram base in Afghanistan

June 24, 2009

The BBC claims that they have uncovered allegations of abuse and neglect at the detention facility at, a United States base in Afghanistan.

According to the BBC, they interviewed 27 men over a period of two months. Apparently, only two said they had been treated well, with others claiming they were ill-treated, by use of stress positions, removing their clothes in front of female soldiers or other situations. Four detainees claimed they were threatened with death at gunpoint.

One inmate, known as Dr Kharden, was quoted as saying "They did things that you would not do against animals let alone to humans. They poured cold water on you in winter and hot water in summer. They used dogs against us. They put a pistol or a gun to your head and threatened you with death.  They put some kind of medicine in the juice or water to make you sleepless and then they would interrogate you."

The findings were presented to the by the BBC, who said "US defense department has a policy of treating detainees humanely.  There have been well-documented instances where that policy was not followed, and service members have been held accountable for their actions in those cases."

Bagram has come under fire before, because it is out of the jurisdiction of many laws banning torture and inhumane treatment and prisoners have no access to lawyers or to a justice system.


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Welcome
DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice work!
Good job if that (Iran-demo) was your first article! (and indeed, if it wasn't as well). Hope you feel welcome here at the wikinews! Drop me a line if you have any questions, or just plain feel like chatting :). Sean Heron (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Citing sources
Hi and welcome to Wikinews. When citing sources, please use the title as it is in the source. Also, please use the "author=" parameter to denote the author of the source. Cheers and happy editing. --SVTCobra 15:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment
Hi, Dottydotdot! Nice work on your articles, you're doing a great job. However, there's a small problem with Lions beat Kings in rugby union, please see the talk page for more details. Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk]  19:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If an article is breaking news, then it's possible to make exceptions to the 3-paragraph minimum in order to get a story out as quickly as possible. If the article is highly time-sensitive, simply tag the article with breaking review instead, and the size minimums will probably be ignored by the reviewer temporarily in the interests of breaking a story ASAP (although the author should make an effort later to the expand the story to the 3-paragraph minimum). As far as formatting goes, you're doing quite well (although i'd recommend using to prevent the rather ugly table of contents from appearing if you're making use of subsections within your story.) Cheers, Tempodivalse  [talk]  19:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

image credit
Use image credit for crediting images such as [www.cnn.com CNN] which yields "". Calebrw (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that we can't use CNN's images, so it's not the best example. Use it to credit "free" images. --SVTCobra 21:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

White ticker
[copied from my userpage so we know what we're talking about]

Hi Bawolff-I think I'm right in saying you're the guy to talk to re. the ticker. On my userpage, I would like it all to be white so it shows up properly-any chance you can tell me how to do that? It's really cool by the way, well done! Cheers! Dottydotdot (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but i can't take all the credit, as user:Matt made the original system. I made some modifications to the css for your userpage, and changed your userpage to make the ticker white. Basically, if the ticker is enclosed in some element with the class of  on the page user:Dottydotdot it will be white. (You may have to do a hard refresh). cheers, hope that helps. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem I see with the ticker on your userpage is that it is 'dynamically' centred. As each character is output the text moves left. It would be better left-justified, perhaps with a tab stop or two before it starts. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would if I knew how to! Dotty•• |☎ 18:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You could put it in a div like:

Changing the 12 to the number of spaces you want on the left. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dotty•• |☎ 07:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You've been granted Editor status
I have promoted you to the Editor class, as I feel you can be trusted to mark revisions of articles as sighted (review). Please take a moment to read: If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask for help on my talk page, and thank you for contributing to Wikinews! Tempodivalse [talk]  13:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Flagged revisions
 * Reviewing articles
 * Peer review
 * Review
 * Reviewed article version
 * Flagged Revisions extension information, on MediaWiki
 * Thanks!(lots of votes!) Dotty•• |☎ 13:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the history of the page you're reviewing, and select the comparison diffs between the last two revisions. The number is immediately after "revid=". Tempodivalse [talk]  15:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dotty•• |☎ 15:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I forgot to say that the number is immediately after "revid=" in the URL. Tempodivalse [talk]  15:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, I see now! Thanks! Dotty•• |☎ 15:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats. One more thing, when publishing an article, please make sure it has a date template with a date on it. See this diff for what i mean. Cheers. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sure thing! Dotty•• |☎ 07:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re
Give them the Vandal warning on their talk page.--SVTCobra 11:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and subst: it--SVTCobra 11:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dotty•• |☎ 11:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Quiz
Any chance of pictures on the quiz this week? It looks a lot better if you have an image every couple of questions. They can then be used when doing things like posting the quiz on Facebook. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep sure thing, will do. Dotty•• |☎ 15:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

the vandal
The general procedure for a vandal is, put a warning template on his page, and revert everything he does. If he doesn't stop immediately, go on irc and get an admin to block him. If its the middle of the night, and there is no admins around, and the guy is making a real mess and needs to be stopped, you can go on #wikimedia-stewards for help (but only if you cannot find any local admins). Cheers. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. Dotty•• |☎ 07:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding posting content on the India page
Hi,

Just thought you would be interested in what we, at NetIndian, thought about having a sort of a loose collaboration with WikiNews. We weren't very comfortable with the idea of letting go of the copyright on our content just yet, but in the future we might think differently.

I have posted the link to the thread on Tempodivalse's talk page Regarding contributing to the India page if you needed some context on what I am talking about.

Thanks again! Vivek.sonny.abraham (talk) 05:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure! I will certainly want to keep writing for some avenue or the other. Maybe WikiNews will be the place :)

Vivek.sonny.abraham (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, This is Mr. Man, you sent me that nice welcome message, and I wanted to thank you, so thanks! Mr. Man (talk) 15:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problems Mr Man, hope you like it here! Dotty•• |☎ 15:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Main page
I have replied to your comments on Talk:Main Page. Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 *   Dotty••   07:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Liquid threads
I asked on #mediawiki what the story with liquid thread was, and thedj said that "werdna is working on cleaning it up for wikimedia usage now.". Bawolff ☺☻ 17:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK cool, sounds good, look forward to it!    Tris   20:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Newsletter - July 2009 Issue
Summary: This month, we bring exciting news about our Wikimedia Foundation Grant, as well as news on our chapter Initiatives (get involved!) and our opt-out of Phorm. We also talk about Business Cards, a recent interview of our Secretary for use in university courses and Wikimania 2013 - which seems a long way off! We also include our regular features of chapter activities from around the globe, press coverage, and meetups!

In this month's newsletter:
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ArbCom elections
I'm going away on Friday for 10 days thus my wanting someone to take it over. When will you cease being away-from-keyboard? I should be able to get limited (and expensive) Internet action if I had to declare the 'winners' etc?

Perhaps you and I should handle it and start taking nominations ASAP? Computerjoe 's talk 19:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. I'll set wheels in motion if no one else in the community wants to do it. Computerjoe 's talk 22:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee/2009 elections
Hi. I just wanted to let you know a question about the arbcom poll suffrage has come up that isn't mentioned in the rules. Since you're one of the arbcom election managers, could you take a look at the latest thread under Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee/2009 elections and give your thoughts on the issue? Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk]  23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the heads up.    Tris   23:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Arbcom election tie -- needs to be resolved
Hi Dotty. It looks like there was a tie for one of the seats in the arbcom election. Since you're one of the election managers, could you take a look at this and give your opinion? Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk]  17:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Waiting for you to second the results on the page. Computerjoe 's talk 00:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Newsletter - August 2009 Issue
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Review of Reading Rainbow ends 26 year run
You might want to take a look at that articles talk page. I know no one is perfect, but I have to ask, did you actually do any copyright check? -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 19:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh shit. I did one-but very briefly.  Thanks for sorting it-I'm going to get it up to scratch now.     Tris   19:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. We've all fucked up before. It's kinda hard to get them all when every contributor that isn't us is out to get us. You live, you learn. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 19:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking through it to rewrite, I don't how I missed that. Too rushed.  Lesson learnt-big time.  Apologies.     Tris   19:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I've rewritten it, but will leave someone else to add the review template if they think it should. Don't mind either way.     Tris   19:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, saw it. I also moved it to the temp.  In the future if something gets copyvio'd, click the red link to the "temp" page and re-create the content there.  Then we delete the original version when the new one is done so the copyvio isn't kept in history.  Brianmc gets all upity and angry if you don't, you know how those old people are. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 20:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Right ho, thanks!    Tris   21:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Admin
Hi Dotty! I've nominated you for administrator status. Please see WN:RFP, and indicate whether you accept the nomination. Good luck! Tempodivalse [talk]  16:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Bawolff/sandbox/makeLead
Hi, there was a problem before where it gave useless error messages on internet explorer (and possibly other browsers). IT should now give meaningful error messages in all cases. Could you try to use it again, do a hard refresh of that page, and see if you still experiance an error (And if so, what the error message is). Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do when I get a chance!    Tris   07:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Newsletter - September 2009 Issue
Summary: This month, our Initiatives Director explains our Initiatives, we update you on our Membership (including some new benefits for members!), keep you informed on our Charity Status application, and update you with our regular sections regarding Other Chapters' Activities, Press Coverage, and UK Meet-ups!

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You can haz admin
You've been promoted, congrats, enjoy! Now go find the archive template and close your RFA. Us cratz are lazy, I don't feel like finding the damn template. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 18:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll also have to find the Adminmobile for yourself, you've seen "Gone in Sixty Seconds", right? --Brian McNeil / talk 18:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Have fun with your new powers. Smile.png Tempodivalse [talk]  18:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much; though it looks like Tempo got there to close it first. Start my reading on archiving now. Let's get deleting!     Tris   18:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn it tempo. It's a right of passage for new admins to close their own RFA's.  -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 18:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Review
Care to have a go at Court revelation by John Travolta of son's disease sparks autism debate? Cheers, Cirt (talk) 07:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to go now for a bit, but if it isn't done later today when i get back, I will definitely. Sorry I can't do it now!     Tris   07:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh alright, sounds okay. :( Cirt (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's done, no worries! :) Cirt (talk) 17:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi. Not a big deal, but please be careful not to archive pages too early. Seven days before today was September 23, and it seems some stories published on the 25th are being protected. Cheers, – Juliancolton  | Talk 17:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh-they seem to be in the WN:TOARCHIVE section?    Tris   17:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK; just looked at it again-that's confusing. At the top it says no sooner than 23rd, which I didn't read & assumed the articles displayed there were for archiving.  Any chance of changing that?     Tris   17:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah, you're right. I'll try to tinker around with it... – Juliancolton  | Talk 17:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't really hurt too much to protect pages a teensy bit early. Cirt (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
[copied from my talk]

OOI is there a JS tool for archiving or not?   Tris   17:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, there isn't any. Some people use auto-wiki browser to assist with arciving though. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey, no problem, thanks! It's relatively easy anyway.     Tris   18:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)n

New Main Page Progress
I just posted a status update of the main page redesign progress. Since you've been heavily involved with the process so far (and things have been quiet for a few days), I wanted to give you a heads up. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 17:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ireland_votes_'Yes'_to_Lisbon_Treaty
Sorry, but your reversion of my repairs to the Ireland_votes_'Yes'_to_Lisbon_Treaty article is totally arseways. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Irish politics, or who bothered to do a bit of basic research, would agree with my edit. That was my first visit to Wikinews, and if that is the standard of "news" that prevails here, then this is also my last. Cheers. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 07:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments tab
Please leave comments on the "comments tab" - that is what it is there for. :P Cirt (talk) 12:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh really? I just left them there in case anyone didn't notice-I was in a rush & saw that two people had written it was biased-I didn't have a chance to read the article, so put it on the talk page for someone to then be able to go & reply etc.     Tris   14:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But they were already on the "Comments" page, and that is what the Comments page is for. Cirt (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, see also this comment, by : Don't post them here. ... That's what the Comments section is for.. Cirt (talk) 22:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, it was just in case nobody noticed. Anyway, it's no big deal.  Regards.     Tris   07:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. ;) Cirt (talk) 15:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Your note about vandalism of an unregistered user
At IP's user talk, you said that that user is a vandal. I'm in the same LAN (with the same IP) as this user (see his/her contributions), and also saw the notice. Please be informed that this user is a beginner, and didn't know what to do with the confusing review and developing tags at Wikinews. You should better have done something to welcome this person. This post is solely informative, for your future care and experience. Thank you for your attention. Q0k (talk) 06:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the heads up.    Tris   07:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. --Q0k-do-talk-me--- 08:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Re article reviewing
Just a heads-up, I replied to your message at my talk page. Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk]  19:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As have I, sorry about that!    Tris   19:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Copenhagen climate conference opens
You are welcome to contribute to the article Copenhagen climate conference opens. Q0k (Special:Contributions/Q0k ?) 23:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Joe McElderry
Hi, I have read the article, and there are several figures quoted there, the £100m is from one analyst, and is only in my belief, an opinion, rather than a solid fact. Then there is another figure stating ITV with get roughly £75m plus revenue from the phone votes, imho it's too dodgy to have in the article with an available solid amount being made clear. Iceflow (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Hold the phone! I'm speaking with my colleagues about it now, I'll get back to you. Iceflow (talk)

 * I'm sorry?    Tris   22:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I would very much like to know who these mysterious colleagues of yours are.    Tris   22:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Try the #wikinews channel on IRC, we're on irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel #wikinews :) Iceflow (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Incidentally, 2nd opinion from my colleagues, the article IS safe to publish with that statement present. Will get the review removed, and move to publish. Iceflow (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Iceflow, thank you very much for your informative note about there being a Wikinews irc channel. I was completely unaware of that. Also, thank you for your great work, very much appreciated and helped a lot.  As a complete newby, your help has been very useful.  One day I hope to become an admin; maybe you will be to.     Tris   22:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you're already an admin... – Juliancolton  | Talk 23:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well we're on the subject, your missing out on fun world domination plotting on irc, dottydotdot :P. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

 * /sarcasm. I know Bawolff, unfortunately I haven't found a good way to access it when I'm away from home and accessing the internet through a firewalled intranet and that is for long periods of the year at the moment.  I might have another go today.     Tris   08:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Tristan, just wanted to say thank you for your kind support on my RfA. the wub "?!"  23:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Climate contrarians in Copenhagen
Please join the discussion, if you can do it attentively, if you have some free 30 minutes?

I'm just afraid that this novice user Wikiwide, the author of the article, being probably a scientist (you just look at the first version of this article), has a very little understanding of what Wikinews is. And probably has lots of other work to do, is not interested, etc. Even the topic of climate contrarians near UNCCC sounds scientific, doesn't it? I think that if you revive this article, it will be very good Please be informed that only an experienced Wikinews user can manage with such significant and responsible task. Q/0/k 04:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * for Wikinews,
 * for this user, and
 * for the environment
 * (as some of the "skeptics" or
 * just common diesel car drivers can find this article realistic)

Jules Mattsson Acc.
Hi Tristan, Thanks for finalising my temp accreditation request previously, I've since applied for full accreditation and received no opposes in the few weeks it's been up. Would you please be able to take a look at my most recent request and finalise if appropriate? Would be much appreciated, Thanks --JulesMattsson (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Report from Royal International Air Tattoo 2009
Hi Tristan, could you check the editprotected request on this page please. I know nothing about planes, so as the person who did the article you seemed like the best one to ask! Those are great pictures btw. I really should go to an airshow at some point, it looks really cool. the wub "?!"  22:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do thanks. Airshows are without doubt the best entertainment you can get in a day-guaranteed!     Tris

Review
Hiya, please can you review Adult H1N1 swine flu death takes Northern Ireland death toll to seventeen for me? Thanks, -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 16:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

PRS
Can you tell these b'tards to finalise and approve my membership before I'm even more old? ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 22:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, after reading the article I'll settle for scheming with friends to use their upload service. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Whose, amazing's or Introducing's? What band is this for-is it the one on your user page at the bottom-Credit Crunch Blues or something?      Tris   16:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, it'd be The Torn Circus, and the Credit Crunch Blues. The other guys I've done work with are in Norway and have a real record deal. That, might, force me to deal with the PRS again. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm going to try for an interview with someone from PRS, so think of a few questions!    Tris   18:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Brian, check out Water_cooler/assistance    Tris   11:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I stuck a couple of questions there. I'm not sure how to deal with another one I've got. Basically, this relates to http://1Radio.org which has a deal with the PRS. 1radio insists people booking and running a 1 or 2-hour slot have full, accurate, ID tags for the material they play. This is supposed to be used to ensure the appropriate artists are compensated. Do they still take a fee from 1radio if a DJ plays an unsigned friend's demo, or material from a different country? --Brian McNeil / talk 12:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Main lead
Hi, regarding - on lower resolutions (like my 1024x768) the type= parameter, when used, causes a rather ugly whitespace because the "Interview" caption is forced below the image, not next to it, like  (except it's even more exaggerated in this instance). Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk]  13:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh OK, sorry. That's fine!     Tris   13:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Undone again! Is there any way of stopping it doing that do you reckon?     Tris   14:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The only solutions are, as i see it: 1) to make the image smaller so that the type= parameter will fit (really inconvenient for some wide images though) or 2) to make the type= image narrower, so it'll fit next to the image. We'd probably have to go with the second option. Something to bring up at the water cooler, perhaps? Tempodivalse [talk]  16:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Butt image
Three butt images instead of one makes the article more interesting. However I am ready to reduce the number of images into two if we have a consensus. --Tree donkey (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The point is that they are all depicting the same thing and don't add anything new to the article. I'm sure you may find it more interesting, but it is not adding anything to the news story.  This is not a butt image gallery I'm afraid.  So, the one image stays as it adds to the article but more don't help at all.     Tris   12:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Photogs rights demo tomorrow, London
Tristan, are you based in London? There's a huge "I'm a Photographer, Not a Terrorist" rally in traf. square tomorrow. You should come, although it slightly blurs the line between protesting and covering by doing both :p The details are at http://photographernotaterrorist.org/2009/12/mass-photo-gathering/. It's sponsored by the NUJ, BPPA, BJP, it's going to be massive. I'm going to be covering commercially, so maybe you could cover for WN? Thanks :D, --JulesMattsson (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * (Sorry for butting in here, but Tris seems to be away) According to the credentials page, Tristan is based in Wiltshire, that's a pretty long shot from downtown. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:30, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, fair enough :p Didn't really look, just got given his name as an england based wikinewsie on the IRC and thought i'd ask. It is a small way away :P Thanks :) --JulesMattsson (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Darn it! I was actually in London last night and came back today!  If only I'd known a bit earlier!  Oh well; maybe next time!  Thanks for the heads up though Jules.     Tris   22:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews writing contest reminder
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Northern Ireland Articles
Hi, I would like to know what is the policy relating to infoboxes. For example the article - Leaders of UK, Ireland meet for emergency justice talks - is clearly related to Northern Ireland and the use an Ireland infobox with an Irish flag on it seems wrong. I have tried to make the changes but am getting no explanation as to why the Ireland infobox is being used. I do understand that somepeople believe that Northern Ireland should be part of the republic and I don't want to get in a revert war with Blood Red Sandman over the issue. However, if the Ireland infobox covers both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland then the Irish flag should be removed from the template or maybe have both flags should be used. Could you enlighten me on this issue or how do I go about proposing these changes to the Ireland infobox. Mrchris (talk) 09:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I have changed it to the UK infobox. I think if we had an infobox for the island of Ireland, that would be best, but with the current Ireland infobox, with the flag and all that, then the UK is probably best.  Sorry for reverting you a bit too fast.      Tris   09:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks, I did not mean to cause so much trouble with Blood Red Sandman, i think i have annoyed him. But I do think that either the infobox should be about either the country (with link to the Republic of Ireland) or the Island (without flag and changed map) or maybe a Northern Ireland infobox. I'm not sure. Anyways, thanks for taking on board my views. Mrchris (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine don't worry. I doubt you've annoyed him and even if you have, it'll all be forgotten.  If you want to create an Ireland island infobox, then have a go in your userspace then give me a shout.     Tris   09:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Just kidding, but ...
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikinews. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will be reverted quickly. Calebrw (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just kidding. Did you see my comments at Talk:Haiti's_banks_reopen? Calebrw (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for that warning! Never had one of them I don't think.  Anyway, I replied over there; no worries if it's fixed, you'll know for next time!  Thanks.     Tris   08:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter
How is the newsletter coming? Will it be ready for delivery soon? -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 02:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're available to deliver it on Sunday night everyone, that would be great? It can then cover the whole of the week.  Would you be available for that?     Tris   08:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I should be. Could give the link for the template? -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 18:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

 * That would be great. The newsletter will be at User:Tristan Thomas/WWC2010/Newsletter/1 by Sunday evening and I'll pop a note on your talk page when it is ready for delivery.  Many thanks!     Tris   09:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

←I won't be able to deliver until an hour or two after midnight. I'm hoping that's not a problem. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 21:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all; in fact, it may be that it will be tomorrow morning. I'll ping you on your talk page when it's done.  Cheers.     Tris   22:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Recommendation for the newsletter, remove the header so it is more edit summary friendly. It made the edit summaries very jumbled. -- Mike moral  ♪♫  04:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As in the very top bit? Would it not then be under other comments on a talk page and so wouldn't appear in the toc etc.?  I don't know, that's why I'm asking.  Thanks!     Tris   10:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the bot's edit summaries. It would be best to leave the header for the bot to add. -- Mike  moral  ♪♫  20:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey, I understand now! Thanks.     Tris   01:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Delivery at the same time correct? Thanks for making these newsletters, btw. :) — Mike moral  ♪♫  05:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, whenever you're free that'd be great. Likewise, thanks for you and your bot!     Tris   08:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

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newsletter ping
Check your wikinewsie email address, i've sent the statement to it. Cheers :-) Tempodivalse [talk]  16:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


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Togo unanimously vote to abolish the death penalty

June 24, 2009

The parliament of Togo has unanimously voted to abolish the death penalty for all crimes. Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who had been campaigning for a global moratorium on the death penalty, witnessed the vote. Zapatero commented on the vote, calling it a “giant step for Togo”.

Togo’s Justice Minister Kokuo Tozoun said "I think that it's the best decision that we took in this year... we don't have the right to give death to someone if we know that death is not a good thing to give."

According to human rights organisation Amnesty International, Togo has become the 15th African nation to abolish the death penalty and the 94th country in the world to do so.

There were around 6 inmates on death row in Togo despite the fact that an execution had not been carried out since 1978. Those on death row will have the sentence changed to life imprisonment.


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American TV personality and "Tonight Show" sidekick Ed McMahon dies at 86

June 24, 2009 Ed McMahon, the long time announcer of The Tonight Show, has died age 86. McMahon, who joined The Tonight Show in 1962, died at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center shortly after midnight on June 23. Made famous by his “Here’s Johnny!” catchphrase, McMahon worked with Tonight Show host Johnny Carson for 30 years.

In recent years, McMahon had battled several health issues. In 2007, he fell and broke his neck through which he suffered pain until his death. He began to suffer from pneumonia in March 2009. Reports also began to surface that he had been diagnosed with suspected bone cancer.

McMahon was a Marine Corps fighter pilot in World War II and returned to the United States after the war. He graduated college and became a television producer in Philadelphia. He later served in the Korean War, completing another tour of duty, then was selected as the announcer for ABC daytime program Who Do You Trust? This was the first time McMahon worked alongside Johnny Carson. The two were paired up again four years later as McMahon replaced Hugh Downs as the announcer on The Tonight Show. McMahon earned a reported US$1 million a year working with Carson.

McMahon also appeared in several films and was the host of the talent show Star Search. He annually co-hosted the Jerry Lewis MDA Telethon and conducted coverage of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

McMahon is survived by his wife Pam and five children. No funeral arrangements have been planned as of yet.


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About 30 years too late to the party there, Limeys. 206.74.5.136 (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


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High school football coach shot dead at school gym in Iowa

June 24, 2009

An American football coach has been shot at his school gym in Iowa, United States. Ed Thomas was shot in front of his students at around 8.00 am local time. Thomas was in the weight room at the time of the shooting. An adult male has been arrested suspected of his murder.

Thomas was the head football coach at Aplington-Parkersburg High School. He had coached 37 seasons of High School football in his career and has a career record of 292-84 of which 156-31 is with Aplington-Parkersburg. He led Parkersburg to 19 state playoffs and won state titles in 1993 and 2001. He was named NFL High School Coach of the Year in 2003 and previously coached four active NFL players including Brad Meester, Jared DeVries, Casey Wiegmann and Aaron Kampman.

Thomas was well known in the local community for his work. When Parkersburg was hit by a tornado in the summer of 2008 Thomas worked endlessly to restore the damaged football field. County Sheriff Jason Johnson said that "Coach Thomas is the pillar of the community. Anything that affects him affects Parkersburg."

No students were injured during the shooting.


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So... Togo unanimously voted to abolish the death penalty, eh? Every single person voted? ;) Gopher65talk 00:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't think it is too late to change ... it is not a content change, more like a spelling error. --SVTCobra 00:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


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User talk:Rockmyfan3402

Hi, it would seem the article you created is not a news article, perhaps a Wikipedia article? Please see the info below. Give me a shout if you have any questions. Dotty•• |☎ 17:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Former detainees allege abuse at US Bagram base in Afghanistan

Review
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Good. Now let's see the U.S. follow suit. 70.153.98.139 (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


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USA upsets Spain, wins 2–0 in FIFA Confederations Cup semifinal

June 24, 2009

The United States defeated Spain in the semifinal round of the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup, claiming their first berth in the tournament's final. The United States, ranked #14 in FIFA World Rankings, snapped Spain's 35-match unbeaten streak heading into the game.

The loss prevented Spain from setting a new world record of 36 matches without defeat. Spain, the UEFA champion, had set an international record with 15 straight victories and was trying to stretch its unbeaten streak to 36, breaking the mark set by Brazil from December 1993 to January 1996

The match was held at Free State Stadium in Bloemfontein, South Africa. The FIFA Confederations Cup has been held there as a prelude to next year's 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Spain was ranked #1 heading into the match and were deemed heavy favorites. They had won their group games with ease and were expected to do so again against the United States, who barely qualified for the semifinal rounds over Italy. Just days ago, the United States was on the verge of elimination after losing their first two matches of the tournament. The United States had been 1–7–1 against top ranked teams heading into the match and lost its three previous matches against Spain in 1950, 1992, and 2008. The United States qualified for the tournament by winning the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup.

A goal by Jozy Altidore (25') gave the United States the lead at halftime and a goal by Clint Dempsey (73') sealed the victory. The team attempted only four shots, two of which were on goal and both scored. Meanwhile, Spain attempted eleven shots with six on goal.

The United States will play defending Confederations Cup champion Brazil or host team South Africa on Sunday in the tournament finals.


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Don't care. Taliban and their supporters are subhuman.--66.229.17.49 (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Real Face of America
This is not the first time this has happened.... A few years ago Moazzam Baig the british detainee on this cursed airbase reported a woman being tortured in this way

Later it was found the the woman none other than Afia Siddiqui.... later identified by the Human Rights Commossion of Pakistan as the woman put in RENDITION with her kids from karachi on 2002...

See what is the power of US dollars on its faithful dogs

...we know for a fact that Al Qaida/the Taliban specifically instruct their captured members to falsely claim abusive treatment to any humanitarian NGO or journalist who is in earshot. Allegations without evidence isn't enough to draw any meaningful conclusions, especially considering that the allegations are from enemies that are specifically trained to try and use our moral codes against us.

Absolutely. Persians(now iranians) Used to castrate every male in every village they conquered as a way to kill morale of the opposition. The mear implication that these enemy combatants are there by chance is slim. Oppressors will always hold others to extreme standards they themselves have no intent in keeping.

I don't think the question is whether the US should detain prisoners in one base or another. Bases are just places. Abuse can happen or not happen in any place. Such allegations prey on the ignorance and compassion of the American people. If the American people's trust had not already been betrayed by their government committing torturous acts on prisoners in the past, Americans would give little heed to these allegations. The facts are: the US government has been proven to have done such things in the past, leading members of the US government have spoken publicly and repeatedly in support of using, and I quote "Advanced Interrogation Techniques", the US news organizations (*cough* like Fox *cough*) show marked bias, often failing to report that which they see as a threat to their political views, legal means have been used in the past to strip prisoners of rights to humaine treatment (such as calling them "illegal combatants"), and there is no way for the American people to know the truth because practically everything reguarding these prisoners is classified.

I think the real issue boils down to this: if it meant stopping a terrorist attack that might kill hundreds or even thousands, would we Americans support the torture of even a single man? When scared for our lives do we abandon the ideals upon which our nation was founded? When faced with an enemy who hides among us, plotting our destruction from within, must we become like our enemies to defend ourselves? Has fear overwhelmed our pricipals? If so, then our nation truly has been wounded, perhaps even mortally.

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Wikinews:Briefs/June 24, 2009

June 24, 2009

About
The Audio Wikinews - News Brief is a two to five minute audio newscast summary of each day's top stories on Wikinews.

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Intro
From Wikinews, the free news source, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Wednesday, June 24, 2009. I'm James Pain, and here are today's current stories.

Iran and Britain expel diplomats after Iranian presidential election
Iran has expelled two British diplomats. In response, the United Kingdom announced yesterday that in a tit-for-tat move it had called its Iranian ambassador in, to inform Iran that it will be expelling two Iranian diplomats. The expulsions come in the wake of the recent Iranian presidential election, and hostility directed by Iran to the United Kingdom by Iranian leaders and official news services, including statements made by Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei calling the British government the "most evil" of foreign governments. Commenting upon the expulsion as it was announced, Leader of the Opposition in the British House of Commons, David Cameron, urged people to remember that this was not a conflict between Iran and the United Kingdom, but was an internal Iranian conflict, between Iranians and other Iranians.

Bagram abuse exposed by ex-detainees
The BBC claims that they have uncovered allegations of abuse and neglect at Bagram, a United States detention facility in Afghanistan. According to the BBC, they interviewed 27 men over a period of two months. Apparently, only two said they had been treated well, with others claiming they were ill-treated, by use of stress positions, removing their clothes in front of female soldiers or other situations. Four detainees claimed they were threatened with death at gunpoint. Bagram has come under fire before, because it is out of the jurisdiction of many laws banning torture and inhumane treatment and prisoners have no access to lawyers or to a justice system.

Authorites arrest 7 state officials over Mexico childcare centre fire
Authorities in the Mexican state of Sonora arrested 7 state officials, from the state finance department, yesterday; and charged them with negligent homicide for the deaths of 47 children in a fire at a daycare centre that occurred earlier this month. In 2005, the Hermosillo, Mexico daycare was advised to carry out repairs in a safety inspection went unheeded. It is felt that negligence contributed to the massive fire Friday afternoon, June 5, taking the lives of 47 toddlers and infants and injuring the majority of the 142 children being cared for by 6 staff who were also hospitalized. The owners will be charged with negligence by the state's Finance Department. The Social Security Institute will also begin a civil lawsuit against the owners. The head of the Social Security Institute has stepped down and others have been suspended.

Togo unanimously vote to abolish the death penalty
The parliament of Togo has unanimously voted to abolish the death penalty for all crimes. Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who had been campaigning for a global moratorium on the death penalty, witnessed the vote. Zapatero commented on the vote, calling it a “giant step for Togo”. According to human rights organisation Amnesty International, Togo has become the 15th African nation to abolish the death penalty and the 94th country in the world to do so. Those on death row will have the sentence changed to life imprisonment.

High school football coach shot dead at school gym in Iowa
An American football coach has been shot at his school gym in Iowa. Ed Thomas was shot in front of his students at around 8.00 am local time. Thomas was in the weight room at the time of the shooting. An adult male has been arrested suspected of his murder. Thomas was well known in the local community for his work. When Parkersburg was hit by a tornado in the summer of 2008 Thomas worked endlessly to restore the damaged football field. County Sherriff Jason Johnson said that “Coach Thomas is the pillar of the community. Anything that affects him affects Parkersburg”. No students were injured during the shooting.

American TV personality and "Tonight Show" sidekick Ed McMahon dies at 86
Ed McMahon, the long time announcer of The Tonight Show has died age 86. McMahon who joined The Tonight Show in 1962 died at the Ronald Regan UCLA Medical Centre shortly after midnight on June 23. Made famous by his “Here’s Johnny” catchphrase McMahon worked with Tonight Show host Johnny Carson for 30 years. McMahon is survived by his wife Pam and five children. No funeral arrangements have been made yet.

Outro
This has been a News Brief from Wikinews.org, the free news source, and has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license. Until next time, thank you for listening and good day.

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That's crazy; I never thought that would happen. Go USA. —Calebrw (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

America has proved bookmakers wrong
America's victory over Spain did not come to me as a surprise because I am a disciple of "anything can happen". This was a victory that I not only anticipated but wanted to happen so that I can prove all bookmakers wrong who conclude the outcome of matches before the blast of the whistle. Bravo to America for helping to prove a point that no team is a right off.

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South Carolina governor resigns GOP post, explains disappearance

June 26, 2009

At a press conference in Columbia, the capital of South Carolina, Republican Governor admitted that a week-long disappearance by him was to, Argentina, where a woman he had been having an affair with resides.

His wife, Jenny Sanford, was not aware of her husband's location during this time, as they have been undergoing a trial separation for the past two weeks following his private disclosure of the matter previously. The Governor's staff was also not sure of where Governor Sanford was, telling the press earlier that he was hiking on the Appalachian Trail.

After it was discovered that he had flown back to Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport from Buenos Aires, Governor Sanford admitted on Wednesday morning that he left for South America after the conclusion of a tenuous legislative session, initially saying only that he had been driving along the coastline.

The affair was only made known to the public at a nationally-televised press conference on Wednesday afternoon, where the Governor also resigned from his post as the chairperson of the U.S. Republican Governors Association. He did not answer questions about if he would serve out the remainder of his last term in office, which concludes in 2011.

In a press release issued by his office, Governor Sanford apologized to his family, staff, and constituents — the people of South Carolina. He also explicitly declared that his staff at no time had "intentionally relay[ed] false information ... [w]hat they've said over the past two days they believed to be true."

Jenny Sandford, in a statement issued Wednesday, said that she would be willing to be reunited with her husband, if he continued to work towards a reconciliation.

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Gisela Dulko knocks Maria Sharapova out of Wimbledon

June 25, 2009

Former champion of Russia saw her comeback attempt come to an early end, as Argentina's  beat her, 6-2, 3-6, 6-4. Dulko faces 10th-seeded in the third round, after the Russian beat  of Israel, 6-3, 6-2. Second-seeds of Switzerland and  of the United States have advanced to the third round of the  Wimbledon tennis championships in London.

Williams took advantage of her big serve and powerful ground strokes Wednesday as she dominated Australia's Jarmila Groth, 6-2, 6-1. Federer eliminated Spain's, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4.

Federer is trying to pass American as the sport's most successful major tournament winner by capturing his 15th Grand Slam title.

Eighth-seeded of Belarus had an even easier time, dumping  of Romania by the so-called "double-bagel" score of 6-0, 6-0.

In men's play, fourth-seeded of Serbia beat Germany's, 7-5, 6-1, 6-4. His next opponent will be number-28 American, a four-set winner over another Serb, (6-4, 3-6, 6-1 ,6-4).


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User talk:W.

Hi, I'm an Austrian SUL-user from Vienna, and my Christian name is Wolfgang. My native language is German, and I speak and write English+French at a "Bable" level of ~2.

I will but rarely contribute to wikinews, therefore:

Please do not talk here.

Added later (see time stamp): It seems I was on the wrong place, here. Any more contact is refused. Pea-counting never was my thing, nor do I think it should be a major interest of wiki projects. Having to STUDY w~news before being "allowed" to contribute, sucks. my proposal would be: K.I.S. [Which is not-at-all the case, as of now. If some contributor finds exactly ONE way to add some source to his article, he/she might be discouraged to see the article turned down for "listin just one source". BYE, [w.] 17:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome [or less than welcome???]
Your above comment is rather discouraging when someone wants to put the welcome template on your user talk.

The details herein should help clear up what you need to know to write articles on Wikinews that comply with the project's policies. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry that you felt discouraged -- it obviously did not work anyways ;)))

 * I think that I will not contribute to this project but VERY rarely. In this special case: Donauinselfest,_Vienna,_Austria,_2009 I was (and still am) convinced to have "breaking news" -- if such is "less than welcome" here -- who cares???
 * I nevertheless thank you, Brianmc, for having welcomed me ;)

 * In case you see a way to improve on my contribution, please do so -- "Donauinselfest" claims to be Europe's biggest (and free!) open air festival. I, for myself, go out there now to document photographically more preparatory work.
 * Best, Wolfgang, [w.] 12:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:U.S., Mexico and U.K. top medalists at RoboGames 2009

Review revision 839415
i had no idea that the date gets updated to the day an article pasess review. sure is nice to see this one published! Revoluc (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


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MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-footer-anon

DNSstuff.com seems determined to become a pay-site. All of their links in this footer redirect to: http://www.dnsstuff.com/where-are-my-results/. Do we have alternatives? --SVTCobra 00:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * btw, it seems Wikipedia switched their links to a site called samspade.org. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Bawolff, it is more than just the WHOIS link, fyi. --SVTCobra 23:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Luxo
editprotected Please add luxo's global contribs tool which is useful for monitoring crosswiki vandalism. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :|  21:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and could you also update the whois for chm's tool, like MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext? Thanks again. :| TelCo  NaSp Ve :|  21:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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 * First one not done. I don't think it is really needed here. The second one ✅ --Diego Grez return fire 21:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * DiegoGrez, why would you think that luxo's tool would not be necessary? I mean, it may not gain much use on wikinews, but for someone with a want for easy access to global contribs and report them to #wikimedia-stewards, it would be helpful, and necessary. :| TelCo  NaSp Ve :|  04:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Diego, I think you are mistaken. We already have Luxo's tool on the equivalent footer for registered users, and I use it a lot.  Lets try to harmonize the two footers. --InfantGorilla (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (flag was not needed) Go ahead and fix it. :P Diego Grez return fire 15:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ — would have been fixed much sooner had someone not cancelled the editprotected notice. — μ 02:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

him/her
Relatively minor suggestion, but would suggest him/her be changed here to the more neutral. Not only is him/her, at least in my opinion, a bit more unwieldy, it doesn't account for people who might not use either him or her. As a default for unidentified IP users, I think replacing him/her with they would be best in this circumstance.

Have also suggested this for MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext. --LivelyRatification (talk) 04:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

 * @LivelyRatification: ✅ for both —chaetodipus (talk · contribs) 07:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Lint fix
Please replace the code with the following

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User talk:131.191.64.130

Please don't rick roll us. (or if you must, do so in the sandbox) Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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World's smallest car enters Ripley's Believe it or Not museum

June 25, 2009 The Peel P50, a single door, three wheel microcar went on display at New York's Ripley's Believe It or Not! Museum on Monday.

The Peel Engineering Company manufactured 50 to 100 of the one-seater vehicles which weighed 130 lb (59 kg), and are 52.8 in (134 cm) in length, 47 in (120 cm) in height and 39 in (99 cm) in width.

The little car can travel as fast as 38 mph (61 kph), and comes equipped with a handle on the car so the driver can pull the car to back up.

Only twenty of the vehicles have survived since 1963, and the original price of £199 has soared to approximately £40,000 (US$ 65,000) today.


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Talk:Gisela Dulko knocks Maria Sharapova out of Wimbledon

Please use the local link for Wimbledon
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 * ❌ I did w but there was no appropriate for that specific local link. --SVTCobra 23:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
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Saturn moon may contain liquid water

June 25, 2009

A report published in the scientific journal Nature of results from the Cassini probe indicates the discovery of the existence of liquid water on Saturn's moon Enceladus, and with it the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

Analysis of ice particles once thought to be emitted by geysers from the moon revealed the presence of sodium salt in the ice. As on Earth, the most plausible explanation of the presence of salt water is the prolonged contact of liquid water with mineral bearing rocks. The currently accepted scientific theory for how life occurs requires the presence of three elements: the existence of complex organic molecules, liquid water and a source of energy. All three appear to be present on Enceladus.

The possibility of discovering a global ocean on the moon has receded, and has been replaced by the idea of large subterranean caverns with large pools or lakes of water, created by tidal forces acting upon Enceladus, and it is from these mist filled caverns that the water evaporates into the atmosphere in a steady jet. However, until further flybys and missions can be carried out other mechanisms for the presence of salt water ice cannot yet be dismissed.

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Freed journalist calls on Iran to release aid worker

June 25, 2009 At a press conference held Wednesday in Paris, France, Iranian-American journalist Roxana Saberi called on Iran to release Silva Harotonian, an Iranian citizen working for a United States aid agency. Saberi was jailed in Iran on charges of spying, and prior to her release shared a cell with Harotonian. Harotonian was working on a healthcare project for the organization International Research and Exchanges Board (IREX). She was convicted of attempting to initiate a revolution, and received a sentence in January of three years in jail.

"By arresting people like her, certain hardliners have created an atmosphere of fear within Iranian society that anyone who has practically any contact with foreigners... would be accused of acting against national security," said Saberi at the press conference. She spoke of Harotonian, saying "She gave me a lot of strength."

Saberi was joined in her efforts on behalf of her former cellmate by International Federation for the League of Human Rights president Karim Lahidji, International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran coordinator Hadi Ghaemi, and IREX president Robert Pearson.

Saberi has dual-citizenship as an Iranian-American, and she grew up in Fargo, North Dakota. She lived in Iran for six years while working as a journalist for news media organizations including the BBC. On January 31, four members of the Ministry of Intelligence and National Security of Iran took her from her home to face charges of spying for the United States. She was convicted and sentenced to eight years in jail, however this was reduced to a suspended sentence of two years. After returning to the United States, Saberi met with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


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British pounds...
are not the most common currency. I'd convert it to $ or €.
 * There is a slight problem with that, how do you get the exchange rate at the time of the car's manufacture? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


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The idea is good. The enforcement is worse.


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User talk:Happyguy49~enwikinews

Dotty•• |☎ 10:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Happyguy49. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Happyguy49~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Saturn moon may contain liquid water

Sensationalism
Habouring extraterriestrial life is a giant leap from what the team actually said:
 * "Alkaline salt water, together with the observed organic compounds and the thermal energy obviously present in the south polar region, could provide an environment well suited for the formation of life precursors."

Some of the sources are also guilty of sensationalizing this story. --SVTCobra 12:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


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Google not accessible in some parts of China

June 25, 2009

The search engine giant Google is reportedly not accessible in some parts of China and Google services such as mail were down from Wednesday night to Thursday morning Beijing time. Google officials have not commented but said they were investigating reasons behind the outage. Recently Google has come under fire from the Chinese government for including "pornographic and vulgar" content in search results. “We have found that Google has spread a lot of pornographic content, which is a serious violation of Chinese laws and regulations," Mr Qin told reporters on Thursday.

China is also demanding all new computers starting July 1st be shipped with special new internet blocking software called “Green Dam Youth Escort” which filters out all pornographic content. United States officials are opposed to the idea and have expressed concerns it might cause China to be in violation of World Trade Organization rules.

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Wikinews talk:Video 2.0/The Wow Starts Now

Question
1. What is the name of the news music intro? 2. What program did you use to make the videos and animations

I need something to do over the summer so I decided I will make a News Bulletin(just text) I only need the right software. Andimahony (talk) 14:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Andimahony


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Steelmaker Corus to cut 2000 jobs in the UK and Netherlands

June 25, 2009

Corus, the fifth largest steelmaker in the world, is set to cut 2000 jobs in both the United Kingdom and The Netherlands. 123 jobs are reported to be going in the Netherlands with the remainder from the United Kingdom. Corus have blamed the move on the "further deterioration" of the demand for steel in both the United States and Europe.

Corus Chief Executive Kirby Adams stated, "Any recovery in Europe appears to be some time off". He added that Corus have to achieve "long-term sustainable competitiveness in a global and over-supplied steel market". In January of this year Corus cut approximately 3,500 staff worldwide; 2,500 of them in Britain.

Peter Hogg, a commercial director at Corus, reported that the company was surprised at the extent of the global recession. He added that it is clear a full recovery is years away.

Some plants have been hit harder than others. Scunthorpe will lose 500 members of staff, with 379 going at Stocksbridge and 377 at Rotherham. Corus will also reduce operations at Hartlepool, Skinningrove and their Teesside Beam Mill, in Cleveland, where an additional 2,000 already face redundancy. A total of 11 plants in the United Kingdom are affected.

Elliot Morley, Labour Member of Parliament for Scunthorpe, told the BBC that he was disappointed with the job cuts and said he had previously told Corus that they should be a last resort. He added that this was a "sad day" for Scunthorpe.

The Community union general secretary Michael Leahy said that it was "devastating news" and spoke of his concerns for the integrity of the British steel industry.

Corus has the second largest steelmaking operation in Europe. The company was bought in 1999 by Tata Steel, part of India's Tata Group. The company has around 50,000 employees worldwide.


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Lleyton Hewitt knocks Juan Martin del Potro out of Wimbledon

June 25, 2009

Unseeded Australian tennis player today beat the #5 seed  at the  Wimbledon Championships, which are played annually in England.

Hewitt was the 2002 champion, but in recent years has slipped down the rankings, leaving the Top 100 last year whilst suffering from a knee injury, only climbing back up to 58 currently. However, Hewitt defeated the fifth seed 6-3, 7-5, 7-5 on centre court this afternoon.

Hewitt proved to be the more agile player and appeared to be more confident on grass than del Potro.


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Are we reporting the same news over and over again?
This stories all seem to be the same: --SVTCobra 15:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The January story is mentioned in the latest one as a previous round of redundancies. The May one seems to be the initial warning of what has been reported in today's story. So, they're the same, but the latest is the confirmation. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't even check that! Dotty•• |☎ 15:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't be expected to catch that one. Ideally the author does as linking back and referring to our earlier stories gives better continuity. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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Comments:Google not accessible in some parts of China

Let's be honest, the UK, Sweden, Denmark, France, and most Middle Eastern countries block far more content, watch their citizens far closer, and ban a lot more things then China has since the 1950's.--151.196.47.167 (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Out of interest, what does the UK government block?

 * The way the West is run, there's no way they can get away with the kind of information control China imposes. If any other country in the world, say, had a reform protest that was violently cracked down upon, and international news agencies were present, you'd think the people of the country it happened in would be allowed to acknowledge it - and grieve openly. The UK is strict when it comes to violent video games, and there were some issues in the (80s?) with reports about Ireland, but it's not like people were forbidden to know about incidents. Furthermore, there's a difference between watching citizens, and taking action against them. --67.174.131.145 (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

 * "international news agencies", you mean only the 4 or 5 corporate news agencies? 128.211.161.200 (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the usual argument alongside "if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't need to worry about the cameras spying on you in the bathroom". It's pure rhetoric and not worth even bothering to argue with those points because a four year old could shoot holes straight through those argument respectively. The UK today directly censors torrent sites, "violent"(really that can mean just about anything) porn sites, and websites deemed "obscene". The UK indirectly, through google bombing and forcing providers offline, censors sites with coverage favorable to Bobby Sands, truthful accounts(including British Military reports) of the Black and Tans(keeping with the public school indoctrination of the British population), and pages relating to Scottish Independence. The British Government currently gets away with all of this and more. The only mainstream news source considered credible in the UK is owned by the Government.--151.196.47.167 (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to your allegations about the UK, but please leave Denmark out of this grouping. --SVTCobra 18:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ironically, Chinese-based search engines such as Baidu end up displaying an equal number, if not MORE hits for lewd content than Google. Given that I think it's pretty clear that pornographic content is not the motivation for the condemnation of Google.

Naturally this whole issue has nothing to do with Google's hardline "free flow of information" stance towards censorship in regards to things like Tienanmen Square. Nor does it have much to do with the fact its a wholly-foreign-owned company...

Good the chinese don't need it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.105.67.58 (talk) 05:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


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User talk:Mr. Man

Dotty•• |☎ 15:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

"Clean Energy and Security Act" article
Hey, sweeto article! Sorry about the "Bill" I put there wrongly, I was actually considering writing "legislation" myself! I'd have put in a bigger hand (as this is a topic I'm quite interested in), but I was pretty busy today. But like I said, I thought the article came out great, even in its relative brevity! Sean Heron (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Saturn moon may contain liquid water

I think the far more interesting discussion is if the planet is void of life, should we bring life to it? If we put a man-made object inside the atmosphere, we most certainly will, whether we intend to or not. But there is also the ability to bring life that we think will thrive in the environment, based on what we believe the conditions to be. It raises some interesting ethical questions. If we did, what would our goals be? Is "to start a new evolutionary path" a valid answer?

The author left out some key facts. Colorado University-Boulder scientist also cautioned that the presence of sub-surface water was not yet proven fact. Several other explanations for the jets were equally plausible, he said.

"It could still be warm ice vaporising away into space. It could even be places where the crust rubs against itself from tidal motions and the friction creates liquid water that would then evaporate into space," he said.

"These are all hypotheses but we can't verify any one with the results so far."

Water>Life
I am very optimistic. If there is ice water and even liquid water then life has a very good chance to evolve on Enceladus considering the low temperatures. Some bacteria can survive at temperatures -100°C.

We should reenact the movie Waterworld. We could create a nautical society, albeit a gritty, primitive and superstitious one, with a patriarchal structure.

really i think it may be possible to happen, why cant it to be happen.

according to my opening what u have dont is correct....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.69.226.11 (talk) 05:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Dont mess with outside life or there water sources, think of alaska and its oil before making descisions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.16.224 (talk) 16:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


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Queen's University agree to cut 103 members of staff

June 25, 2009

Queen’s University of Belfast, Northern Ireland has agreed to cut 103 members of staff and to close its German department. The ruling body agreed with the cuts claiming that it would save money and also increase the school's chances of entering the world’s top 100 universities.

Originally announced as a staffing reduction of 150 positions, the number was lowered. The lecturers' union has commented, saying it is the "wrong decision"; they intend to “fight the job losses” despite the fact that the number is lower than expected.

According to the BBC, the university wishes to ensure that most of the academic staff takes part in "high quality" research, so those who just teach students are most at risk of losing their jobs.

Both the university management, and the union are to appear before the Employment and Learning Committee of the Northern Ireland Assembly at a later date. They were summoned after reports of job and subject cuts.


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Review
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Comments:Donauinselfest, Vienna, Austria, 2009

It's all over now, baby blue -- there was some guy singing such, ~40yrs ago:

Who should care about "news" after 36-72 hrs??? They were "breaking" ones (being ahead of official information) when uploaded, some hours ago.

AS_OF_NOW, "DELETE": Any idiot would find similar by google, at this hour. eod. [w.] 16:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


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Welcome
--Brian McNeil / talk 21:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Seems to have fail written all over it.


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Singer and songwriter Michael Jackson dies at age 50

June 25, 2009 Michael Jackson, a singer and songwriter who was dubbed as the 'King of Pop', has died today at the age of 50. Initial reports had stated that Jackson is in a coma after being rushed to UCLA Medical Center.

According to TMZ, rescue crews from the Los Angeles Fire Department responded to his home in Holmby Hills, a suburb of Los Angeles, California where they found Jackson not breathing. According to Fire Captain Steven Ruda, a 911 call was received from Jackson's home at 12:21 p.m. PDT (19:21 UTC), and paramedics responded just before 12:30 p.m. PDT (19:30 UTC). Paramedics unsuccessfully attempted CPR, for a suspected cardiac arrest. According to Lieutenant Fred Corral, the L.A. County Coroner, Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. PDT (21:26 UTC).

The Los Angeles Times and Associated Press have said they have confirmed his death with anonymous sources familiar with the situation. According to CNN, the road on which Jackson lived has been blocked off in an attempt to reduce traffic.

Jackson began his career with The Jackson 5 which debuted in 1966. Despite numerous hits and best sellers, Jackson is probably most known for his 1982 hit Thriller. It's estimated that the album sold as many at 109 million worldwide.

The news failed to reach some quarters quickly. As of 01:00 UTC the web site of the O2 arena, where Jackson had been scheduled to perform his This Is It concerts in July, was still advertising tickets for sale. Several companies, including Ticketmaster, Seatwave, and AEG Live, now face having to reimburse all ticket sales. AEG Live had already faced problems obtaining insurance for the concerts.

Many celebrities were quick to publish comments and tributes:
 * Britney Spears:"He was a wonderful man and will be greatly missed."
 * Ludacris:"If it were not for Michael Jackson I would not be where or who I am today. His music and legacy will live on forever. Prayers to the family."
 * John Mayer:"I hope he is memoralised as the '83 moonwalking, MTV owning, mesmerizing, unstoppable, invincible Michael Jackson."
 * Miley Cyrus:"Michael Jackson was my inspiration. love and blessings."
 * MC Hammer:"I will be mourning my friend, brother, mentor and inspiration... He gave me and my family hope. I would never have been without him."

Several, including Celine Dion, Randy Jackson, and Donald Tarlton, compared the news of Jackson's death to the news of the deaths of Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, John F. Kennedy, and John Lennon. Talking to Larry King, Dion said "It feels like when Kennedy died, when Elvis died. It's an amazing loss."

A Yorkshire businessman who was working with Jackson on a proposed future project said "I didn't think he would go out in these circumstances. It's not the way I would have expected him to go at all. He's going to become a Marilyn Monroe or an Elvis Presley."


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Hospilazed or dead?
Which is it? I hear reports of hospiliazation. --71.254.108.245 (talk) 22:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * TMZ is reporting the death, we are trying to confirm before publishing. --SVTCobra 22:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Its official now, Sky News report that City law enforcement sources have confirmed it, I think they were holding back to allow the family to informed.KTo288 (talk) 22:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Published LAT also has it. Citing local officials. Full peer review will be after the news settles down a bit. --SVTCobra 22:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cited never the less. Otherwise will not be on the front page, etc. This will be a popular story. Still needs a bit about the upcoming tour, his life, etc. Calebrw (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Obviously. I would expect this to become a rather lengthly article eventually. --SVTCobra 22:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we do obituaries?KTo288 (talk) 22:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, see Category:Obituaries. --SVTCobra 22:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is there any particular reason for this article having the word report in front of it? Mr. Man (talk) 23:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At first it was just TMZ and LA Times reporting it...so essentially it was added to quote them DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, well thanks for clarifying...Mr. Man (talk) 23:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

twitter
Do we really need to include what celebrities said on their twitter accounts? I can understand public statements from celebrities but honestly, that website is the most annoying, unprofessional, and childish thing invented this past decade. How about a statement from the Jacksons once they have a press conference?

Bad idea
The potted biography that DragonFire1024 started here is a very bad idea. Wikipedia works hard at biographies on contentious subjects, which this is plainly one, and takes months and years to do them properly. I don't think that we can do a potted biography that is an accurate, NPOV, and fair overview of this person's life and works in 2 days. Nor, since we have this extensive news backgrounder right next door, do we really need to. We should stick to reporting the news, which is what we're good at. Let Wikipedia write the biographies and the encyclopaedia articles. Uncle G (talk) 02:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the exact policy here is of obituries, but all the mainstream newspapers I'm familiar with (UK broadsheets) carry obituries, and some have become quite famous for them, I see nothing wrong with wikinews emulating mainstream news media. As to having a ready made article at wikipedia there is a difference between obits and articles, in obits its the premissible to include more of the human element that would be out of place on wikipedia, how people feel emotionally, what influence the deceased has had e.t.c. .KTo288 (talk) 06:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You've completely missed the point actually made. Please read what I wrote, again.  Uncle G (talk) 06:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I got as fair as I could, and really anyone can. If we had sat here and went through the last 50 years of his life, we seriously would have a Wikipedia article. I mentioned what I thought to be the most important and significant events that happened in modern times. You are right. It would take more than two days for us to come up with something as spectacular as a Wikipedia article (end sarcasm), but nonetheless is still major events. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Good article, however can we get rid of the comments by various celebs? Doesn't seem the right thing to have. Not going to change it myself! Dotty•• |☎ 08:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note something that the article perhaps hasn't made clear: These aren't long-after-the-fact comments. These were the almost instant responses, posted to Twitter, by these people, as the news broke.  See the sources.  Uncle G (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)