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Islamic militant threatens West in a video

November 17, 2005 A masked man, believed by officials to be Noordin Mohammad Top, a key figure in militant Islamic terrorist organization Jemaah Islamiyah, threatened Western countries in a video broadcast on Indonesia's Metro TV on Thursday. The man specifically named the US, Australia, the UK and Italy as targets of his group’s next attack.

The video was found in a house the Indonesian police raided last week, where Top narrowly escaped being captured. A similar raid on a house in East Java resulted in the death of his associate, Azahari Husin.

The masked man on the video said that "as long as you keep your troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and intimidate Muslim people, you will feel our intimidation and our terror." He continued, "America, Australia, England and Italy. You will be the target of our next attack."

The man focused especially on Australia, saying: "We especially remind Australia that you, Downer and Howard, are killing Australia, leading it into darkness and misfortune and mujahideen terror." Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer dismissed the message by saying that no democratic country should be intimidated by "a fanatic like Noordin Top".

Noordin Mohammad Top is a Malaysian senior operative of Jemaah Islamiyah, a group which is seen as the regional arm of international Islamic fundamentalist campaign Al-Qaeda. Police have been trying to catch Top, an expert in recruiting suicide bombers, and Azahari, Jemaah Islamiyah's bombmaker, since the 2002 Bali bombing in which 202 people were killed.

The video also showed three young suicide bombers who killed 20 people in attacks on restaurants on the island of Bali on October 1. One of the men, Muhammad Salik Firdaus, said on the film: "My brother and wife, God willing, when you see this recording I'll already be in heaven." Bali police Chief I Made Mangku Pastika said that three men were currently being questioned over their role in the bombings and that they were "certainly also linked to the Bali bombs."


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Talk:Rumsfeld's Australia visit sparks protests

Tag and Dash
It's not constructive nor good ettiquette. Please explain what the npov concerns are? Neutralizer 20:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You are really angering me. If you're not even going to be courteous and give people time to post a message on the talk page, why do you even expect a response?  --Mrmiscellanious 20:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * How about posting an explanation before tagging. Just as a measure of politeness. --vonbergm 22:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * How about waiting for it to be posted, vonbergm? It didn't take me that long to put it up here.  Patience = courtesy.  No courtesy, as shown in both your and Neutralizer's comments, are extremely poor in respect.  --Mrmiscellanious 22:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

NPOV
The focus of this story needs to be balanced. The title features a very little detail of the story, and is also sporting quite a few items supporting the protesters' POV. For instance:

 * Alright, not POV - I just don't like how it's formulated.

A few items to fix before sending it back to publish or removing NPOV tag. --Mrmiscellanious 20:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * So, um, what is the problem with these quotes? Or are you saying that the article contains too much of the protestors POV, and not enough of the POV of those who disagree with the protestors? - Borofkin 23:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry for not pointing that out - just try to balance it more with some items from other Australian politicians, etc. --Mrmiscellanious 23:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added comments from Defence Minister Robert Hill responding to the David Hicks stuff, and Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock responding to the anti-terror/sedition laws stuff. The only bit that lacks a government response is this: "They are willing to kill, they are willing to murder innocent civilians by the tens of thousands to exploit the resources of other countries and sacrifice even their own soldiers for these goals of war and expropriation." Since she is talking about Rummy and the US in general, it would perhaps be best to find some comments from them denying that they are murderers of innocent civilians. - Borofkin 01:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't think that he would have a direct response to the politician, however the White House does hold a daily(?) press conference. I'll dig through it tonight and see if McClellan has mentioned anything in response to the quote or protest.  --Mrmiscellanious 02:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Can you consider the article for removal of the NPOV tag? With the addition of quotes from two government ministers, it is now quite balanced in my opinion. - Borofkin 03:58, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe MrM's concerns have been addressed; so as he states above; "A few items to fix before sending it back to publish or removing NPOV tag."; it can now be published and the tag removed. In the future; please note that there is no need to wait for the tagger's approval before removing a tag. . Neutralizer 19:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

nearly there
I think this is a good piece of reporting and nearly there. Suggest page move to Large protests as Donald Rumsfeld visits South Australia: straighter headline. ok? --Cmwhite

suggestions
suggested changes to first section: apologies for not being bold but I can't edit such a large article on my machine :)

United States Defence Secretary Donald_Rumsfeld was called a war criminal by 500 anti-war demonstrators at a rally on the steps outside South Australia's Parliament House today. Senior members of the United States government are on a two-day visit to Adelaide for the annual Australian and US ministerial consultations, known as AUSMIN. The rally also called for the freeing of Australian man David Hicks from Guantanamo Bay jail. Australian Democrats SA leader Sandra Kanck said the rally was originally intended to protest at the proposed new terror laws. "We would not need terror laws if our Prime Minister had not tied us to the coat tails of George W Bush and Donald Rumsfeld," she said. "I have been delighted to hear much sedition here today and I have been delighted to see placards that are saying seditious things. "But by Christmas this may not be allowed in our democracy." Mr Rumsfeld and his delegation arrived at Adelaide Airport this morning amid tight security. Mr Rumsfeld will attend the Australia-United States Ministerial Meeting, to be hosted by Defence Minister Robert Hill and Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer. (cut this next bit, it's over the top and doesn't have a direct reference) Deputy US Secretary of State Bob Zoellick will also take part. Police in Adelaide have thrown a tight security net around the conference venue and hotel where the guests will stay, with up to 500 officers involved. SA's assistant police commissioner has described Mr Rumsfeld as one of the world's top terrorist targets.

Reporting on Protests
Personally I thought the article focused on the concerns of the protesters. Mainly because the article is a news story ABOUT the protest. IMHO what mainstream (corporate POV) journalism fails to do in most reportage of demonstrations is put across the protesters concerns - the WHY in in the 5 Ws. Generally corp media take the "protesters violent" perspective, and focus on the threat to the status quo. I fully understand wikinews NPOV issues, yet I fail to see why this article is problematic. I'm keen to write news for this site, but am concerned that my efforts will be killed in a crusade of unecessary NPOV... --elliot_k 02:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It makes reporting on protests much harder, eh? We struck this problem with Hundreds of thousands rally in Australia against IR legislation - is it an article about the protest, or is it an article about the issue about which the protestors are attempting to raise awareness? The problem is that if we quote protestors criticising the government, then we need to include the other viewpoint, otherwise we're just a mouthpiece for the protestors. - Borofkin 03:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

You're quite right. Quotes about the reasons and viewpoints are very reasonable, and are what the mainstream tend to ignore, but very excitable comments are unnecessary, IMO. I think this has been balanced very well, particularly with the terror concerns, when we should definitely include the defences of those in authority. But any protest that attracts hundreds or thousands of people shows that people care about an issue and so that issue should be aired. ClareWhite 15:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Articulation
Further... What is the best etiquette for communicating these concerns? Is this the preferred method? Discussion on the talks page? Or do I use the User's talks page? --elliot_k 03:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I think the Water cooler is the best place. Allready the number of tag&dashs and policy on detecting institutional bias is debated. I strongly welcome these discussions. International 15:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

move?
United States Defence Secretary Donald_Rumsfeld was called a war criminal by 500 anti-war. i dont think this accusation really deserves the first sentence. Other wise a great article and should be published. --Whywhywhy 11:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. Fixed and published. If someone dont like it, change back. Imho it is a good article but as I said before, my English is far from perfect. Anybody copyedit my edits? International 14:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


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Thai PM sues media critic for one billion Baht

November 17, 2005

In a move that is widely viewed as an effort to suppress criticism, the Thai Prime Minister, Thaksin Shiniwatra is suing media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul and his companies for one billion Baht (24.3 million USD, 20.7 million Euro, 14 million GBP).

In addition to the civil lawsuit, the Prime Minister is seeking a court order gagging press related to Sondhi from making defamatory comments about him.

Yesterday, the Thai civil court accepted the case submitted by Thaksin's lawyer, Thana Benjathikul, who warned that the media figure could face jail should he not cease his outspoken criticism of the Prime Minister.

The case hinges on Sondhi's accusation that the government illegitimately awarded a contract for a satellite installation to companies controlled by the PM's family.

The government denies that they intend to shut down Manager Media group's website, and stress that they do not plan to try and suppress freedom of the press.


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U.S. government proposes removing Yellowstone grizzlies from endangered species list

November 18, 2005 The United States Fish and Wildlife Service has announced that "The greater Yellowstone area population of grizzly bears ... is now recovered". They propose removing this population from the list of threatened and endangered species.

More than 600 grizzly bears now live in the greater Yellowstone area. This area, which includes Yellowstone National Park, Grand Teton National Park, and several national forests covers 18 million acres. Grizzlies occupy 68% of the suitable habitat within the area. They have been spotted over 60 miles from what was once thought to be the outer limits of their range. The bears' range and distribution has been increasing annually and is now 48% larger than when they were listed.

When Lewis and Clark crossed North America in 1804 there were more than 50,000 grizzlies in the west. By the 1970s there were less than 1,000 and they only covered 2% of their historic range. In 1975, when the Grizzly Bear was listed as threatened, biologists estimated the Yellowstone ecosystem had between 220 and 320 bears. Since then, various government agencies and private organizations worked on a conservation plan that involved education, conflict reduction, and monitoring programs.

Four other populations of Grizzly Bear in the lower 48 states will remain on the list.


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American War Hero congressman wants U.S. troops out of Iraq soon

November 17, 2005 "It is time for a change in direction." House Representative John Murtha (D-PA), one of the U.S. Congress' most decorated Vietnam veterans said during a Thursday news conference, and where he called for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. He estimates it can be done within 6 months. The holder of two purple hearts continued; "The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion...Our military is suffering, the future of our country is at risk. We cannot continue on the present course. It is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf region."

President Bush and members of his administration and the Republican Party in recent days have been criticizing Democrats who are calling the pre-war intelligence that made the case for the war in Iraq both false and misleading. Republicans, calling a Democrat "cut and run" strategy irresponsible, say abandoning Iraq now would lead to civil war.

Over the Veterans Day weekend just past, the president of Iraq, Jalal Talabani, said on British ITV’s Jonathan Dimbleby program, "Within one year - I think at the end of 2006 - Iraqi troops will be ready to replace British forces in the south." But Murtha's heart-felt news conference, where AP writer Liz Sidoti said his voice cracked while he told of visiting wounded soldiers at a nearby Washington veterans hospital, was spurred by an obligation to speak for the troops.

Murtha, who had served as a Marine Corps intelligence officer in Vietnam, angrily denounced Vice President Cheney's recent "stay the course" rhetoric with sarcasm: "I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."

Murtha continued with multiple reasons he says caused him to come forward at this time; "Our military has been fighting this war in Iraq for over two and a half years. Our military has accomplished its mission and done its duty. Our military captured Saddam Hussein, captured or killed his closest associates, but the war continues to intensify. Deaths and injuries are growing, and over 2,079 of confirmed American deaths, over 15,500 have been seriously injured -- half of them returned to duty -- and it's estimated over 50,000 will suffer from what I call battle fatigue. And there have been reports at least 30,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed...Oil production and energy production are below prewar level. You remember they said that was going to pay for the war, and it's below prewar level...Unemployment is 60 percent...And, most importantly -- this is the most important point -- incidents have increased from 150 a week to over 700 in the last year. Instead of attacks going down over a time when we had additional more troops, attacks have grown dramatically. Since the revolution at Abu Ghraib, American casualties have doubled." Murtha said.

Murtha said he would be introducing legislation forcing U.S. troops out of Iraq.

The House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi, said of Murtha’s statements, "I think it speaks very strongly to the point that the President's policy is not working; two-and-a-half years after the President said, 'mission accomplished,' we still don't know what the mission is. So the focus really shouldn't be on Mr. Murtha, it should be on the President of the United States and his failed policy there."

In new PEW poll released today, public opinion jumped from 30% in 2002, to 42% today who believe that America should “mind its own business” internationally. It is a return to levels that were last seen in the post-Vietnam War period.


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Talk:American War Hero congressman wants U.S. troops out of Iraq soon

Questions
Which side of the house is this senator from?

Can the title be changed to remove the term "Hawk" this is meaningless outside the US.

Brian McNeil / talk 22:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok; will do; please check to make sure i get all the redirects please? Not sure about party; will find out and put it in. Neutralizer 22:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Title
How about "War hero congressman wants US troops out of Iraq"?

It removes the double mention of the US from the title and eliminates the confusion that "soon" may produce. Brian McNeil / talk 23:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

 * problem is EVERYBODY wants them out of Iraq; even Bush/Cheney will say that; the question is how best for the title to show this guy wants 'em out quicker than anybody else(even quicker than Kerry or most other democrats)?? Neutralizer 05:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Does the title "war hero congressman" violate NPOV? Is this even news?
 * It's in the top 10 on google news hits. The reason it's news is because this fellow is a war hero by everyone's admission. Neutralizer 20:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


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Let's move on, 'cos it's time to groove on...

 * With reference to the above... Isn't it time we all just had a group hug and moved on?

Rcameronw 15:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Teacher! Rcameronw's touching me! --Wolfrider 15:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Neutralizer's punishment
I want constructive criticism for the amount of punishment that is to be given to User:Neutralizer. I understand that above, many opposed the six month blocks. However, consistent violation of policy warrants a block. And that is non-negotiable. So therefore, I am taking suggestions and hopefully wish to obtain a consensus on a community-approved punishment. This is not up for discussion, Neutralizer will be punished. Now, please start the suggestions below. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe Neutralizer has been punished for every policy guideline that he has broken. Punishing him again, with the exception that they’re being treated collectively, is completely unfair. I’d like you to keep in mind MrM, that this matter is up for discussion if the community wants it to be, regardless of whether that pleases you or not. I think it would be a good idea if you take a less combative and less totalitarian approach to Wikinews because I must respectfully remind you, that your position as administrator is also up for community discussion. --Wolfrider 02:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I will not. This community is rattling to pieces because the administrators as a whole have done nothing but sit around and not take action. I'm sick of ignoring issues here. Violations of policy aren't negotiable - and make sure you realize that by me being "totalitarian" is a method of showing that there is regulation here on Wikinews. I'm tired of listening to excuses of those who have violated policy - I want to see they can put it behind them and become valuable contributors. The only way I see that is excommunicating them for a set amount of time for a roadmap to be made on how the user can fit in the community better and contribute to this site more. Neutralizer will be blocked - his punishment will be served. But he isn't the only one; many of us need to be reprimanded for our behavior (yes, including me). I will not let others talk their way out of issues like this. The time has come - no more ignoring it. If I sound harsh, then so be it. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:36, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out, MrM, that currently Amgine and Neut are taking steps toward mediation on their own, and there is no need to further push for a punishment. There is community consensus that a ban on Neutralizer is not the answer and that mediation is a much better solution. Other users have gone to great lengths to solve this dispute without a block and taking action against Neutralizer is obstructing the process that we have decided, as a community, to engage in. --Wolfrider 02:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Then someone in this community is going to have to prove to me where it is written that the community has the choice to override items of policy in select cases, because as far as I'm concerned - users here would not treat anyone else who performed the same violations the same way they are treating Neutralizer. The policy is meant for EVERYONE to abide to.  If the community wishes to make amendments to the policy, they can do so - but they cannot give "get out of policy" free cards out.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest, that given the fact that Wikinews is a community that any and all policies are open to debate at anytime when the vast majority of the community wishes it. I also must reiterate that the issues you are proposing to ban Neutralizer for have already been dealt with in various ways by the site's admins. What you are saying is that admins should have the right to ban a user multiple times for the same incident. I would like to hear your position on this. --Wolfrider 02:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not spending hours discussing everything I post here. So I'm going to be brief but concise.  Neutralizer, AMONG WITH OTHERS, have violated the policies of this website in subsequent edits to the wiki AFTER "serving" time through a block.  Users CAN and WILL be blocked for edits they make if they are made against the policies of this site.  You CAN be blocked for the same TYPE of edit numerous times - you CANNOT be blocked for the SAME "DIFF" EDIT numerous times (of course, this is not applying to the ArbCom or whatever it is...).  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 03:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine. So why don't you tell us what specific violations you are referring to so that we can take a look. At the same time, why don't you set up a similar section for each of the "others" you are referring to so that people don't get the impression that you have a personal agenda. --vonbergm 03:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, you didn't bother to read Amgine's list at all. So I will refuse to reply to your comments, and will let you continue on to think that I have a poltical agenda to push here.  I honestly don't see how you can pull that out of anywhere concerning relevent items in this discussion, but I'm always a fan of off the trail rides... just a warning, fasten your seatbelt.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 03:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have taken Amgine's list quite seriously and have suggested possible punishments for Neutralizer based on that. The problem was however, that I took the list too seriously and did not realize that Amgine listed violations that Neutralizer was already punished for (and I retracted some of my suggestions). You seem to also agree that many of the violations on Amgine's list should not be considered (after all you sugested above that we should talk about 'subsequent' violations). Amgine's list is not very useful for that, especially as I might not be aware which of these allegations might be really relevant (as happend before and I needed to retract my suggestions).

So please give some more specific violations, or distill Amgine's list down to the relevant cases. And your argument that because I supposingly have not read Amgine's list you cannot start a section like this for other violators seems a little silly. --vonbergm 03:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I will construct a list for you tomorrow. But only for justification of the block, as you have requested as such.  Now, as I said before - the issue is not up for debate.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 03:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't accept this idea that we start from the premise: "Neutralizer must be punished, now what should that punishment be?" - that's a pretence of consultation unless everyone already agrees with your premise (I think most of us disagree with it, hence us getting into this discussion in the first place). Neutralizer hasn't done anything deserving of punishment, ergo no punishment required.
 * I fail to see how the interests of this community are served by this relentless (ie. it's been going on for weeks) obsession with "punishing" one particular editor. If there's a problem, we should try and solve it. If there's not a problem, why start inventing one? Wouldn't your time be better used in writing and editing Wikinews stories rather than pursuing a personal vendetta?
 * Neut's already been punished many times over. He's been slapped with far more and far longer bans than any other user I know of, and the action taken against him has been vastly disproportionate even to the (frankly quite minor) indiscretions he's been accused of, let alone the much smaller subset of those perceived indiscretions that actually had any basis in fact. Any probation system in the world would let him off on "time served" by now. So really, the thing to do would be go back in time and undo some of the punishment that's been meted out to Neut. But seeing as that's not possible, how about we just call it evens?

Rcameronw 15:12, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No - it is not "even". Policies are here to maintain order, not to be ignored.  The community does not have a say on when and when not policies are imposed on what members - all members and situations are treated equally.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 22:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * MrM, you are making it quite difficult to solve the issue and return Wikinews back to normal. I respect that you feel you must "put your foot down" but most of the people involved in this discussion do not want Neutralizer banned. He is actively going through a process to resolve the dispute and after it is finished that should be the end of it. I feel as though you have some vested interest in blocking Neut simply because you don't want to feel like you've lost. We've read the "dossier" against Neutralizer and are absolutely not swayed by it. The community has every right to debate policy and when you are the lone voice you, unfortunately, have no right to supersede what the community decides. You are a valuable contributer to the project MrM, and I caution that it will be much easier to respect those contributions if you allowed the community to deal with this in the way we feel is most appropriate. I also suggest you re-examine Neut's offer for mediation, as it would be good for both you and the community as a whole. Your refusal truly reflects badly on you. --Wolfrider 01:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I quite honestly could careless what other users want and what the order used to be on this site. I am not asking you if he should be blocked - he should be.  And that's not the community's place to decide - it is the administrators, who have reviewed the policies, to decide that.  And as an administrator, the following edits were made against Wikinews policy:   .  During the whole time that people were saying "Assume good faith" and "We should educate, not punish...", those same people never once either offered to educate Neutralizer nor did they provide evidence of why others should assume good faith on the questioned edit(s).  There are serious gaps in communication and policy here - I encourage all of you, as good members, to review ALL policies of this site, as well as proper etiquette.  Do not just assume that bad things will go away; what are we teaching the community if users who cannot control themselves are not dealt with properly?  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * MM, I'd like to invite you to retract your assertion: "I quite honestly could careless what other users want and what the order used to be on this site. I am not asking you if he should be blocked - he should be.  And that's not the community's place to decide - it is the administrators". I feel that this is inappropriate and disrespectful to the community, and a mischaracterisation of the role of administrators. Rcameronw 19:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that rules should be applied consistently and fairly. Thus, if you can convince the community that a clear offence has occurred under the rules, which has not already been punished through the battery of bans N has already had, and for which some further "punishment" would be appropriate and constructive, then and only then would it be necessary to talk about what, if anything, such a punishment should consist of. But you've not proved it, you've asserted it - there's a difference. All credit to whoever produced that multi-claused mega-wiki-indictment against Neutralizer - they obviously put a lot of time and effort into it. But as a number of people have commented, long and detailed though this "dossier" is, it falls quite a long way short of actually proving anything. 101 bad, spurious arguments are no substitute for one good one. Rcameronw 23:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Apologies to the Community
I want to apologize for my part in this episode. I will henceforth really work at being less combative and more reserved in my choice of words. I also want to thank everyone who gave some time and attention to the matter. I will also embrace and participate constructively in whatever mediation/arbitration process the community chooses to employ. So, in summary, apologies and thanks to you all. Neutralizer 15:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would rather have you show yourself as a civil member of this community then hearing apologies time and time again. Proof is always better than excuses.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 01:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * People often do things in the heat of the momment they often regret later. Apoligies are a good place to start and should be encouraged (IMHO). I think its great that Neutrializer (sp?) realized what his actions were (that were negative) and show's remorse for them. Apoligizing is really hard sometimes, but often is the first step to fixing a problem. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Introducing Mediation
I've figured that there has been some heated disputes lately, so I cooked up a solution for last-resort argument resolution that I think more people will like than my ArbCom idea: Mediation. Read more about it on that page, and tell the people what you think. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a great concept. It highlights the mediation process but is also able to reach enforceable decisions, if necessary. I think this could work. Nicely done, thanks. --Deprifry | +T+ 15:24, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This does look like a great idea. I am a bit concerned about the "majority decision" provision -- we should be concerned about minority protection. --Chiacomo (talk) 16:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * We could add that decisions can't violate existing policy and such. --Deprifry | +T+ 16:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Added. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 16:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Great idea and great work. Thanks for doing that! 80.43.5.75 16:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * This looks more like it, I was unhappy with ArbCom going straight to worst-case methods of dealing with issues. Brianmc 16:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Nice work. :-) --Wolfrider 16:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

There is a mediation system in place
Just for community information; There is a wikinews mediation system in place. It's called "dispute resoultion" and is on the site contents page. the history http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Dispute_resolution&action=history shows Amgine and Dan100 have each used the mediation process successfully (Amgine twice and Dan100 once) http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Dispute_resolution&oldid=58975. However, perhaps we wish to set up a better system? Neutralizer 14:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * What a coincidence! I'm currently working on Mediation, which is supposed to be an extreme inverse of what the Arbitration Committee was. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee assuming blocking/unblocking authority
This is the biggest current issue in my opinion. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Log/block

An unelected committee engaging in unblocking without any discussion at all within the community about whether the committee should have this authority. Neutralizer 14:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You are 100% right an unelected committee can not have this authority. However on a committee where all of it’s members are admins any admin may chose to exercise his personal authority as an admin to unblock. Unless a committee gets community support needed to have this sort of authority, all action are going to be actions of a member made with the agreement of its member. --Cspurrier 14:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah anyways, the Arbitration Committee is no more. Apparently, it left a sour taste in people's mouths, and so it shouldn't exist if something that's supposed to make peace isn't making peace. There will be a Mediation page for argument last-resorts, though. Anyways, regarding the unbanning, I did so so that the people involved can speak. Who's in favor of a week-long ban for Rawker? —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 14:39, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Community Discussion on Dealing with Neutralizer
I would like to propose to have a community discussion on Amgine's List and its implications. Although this might not have any bearing on the ban imposed on Neutralizer, I believe that it is important that this issue is discussed out in the open by the contributers (and readers) of WikiNews. If nothing else, at least this will have some cathartic effect for the community.

It was said that "Violations of the policy are non-negotiable". As nice as this sounds, the issue is not as black and white as some try to make it look. We know that almost every one that contributes regularly has violated policy. At least not giving summaries of edits seems quite common, and many other violations listed by Amgine can readily be found in other people's editing. The issue is not that policies have been violated, but if and to what extend they have been violated.

Stripping Amgine's list of the superfluous fluff, I see three violations that warrant looking into (maybe others see more [or fewer]) ordered in seriousness (in my opinion)

1) Neutralizer created JohnnyK as a sockpuppet

2) Neutralizer attacked other contributers on a personal basis

3) Neutralizer pushes his POV into articles (and clutters the discussion pages with it)

 * I would like to start the discussion by giving my opinion on these issues.
 * 1): I find this a serious problem. One should not need nor use a sockpuppet to give one's opinion higher value. Either the arguments one has are good enough to convince the community, or not. Creating sockpuppets shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of Concensus that underlies WikiNews. Of course, this concept of Consensus is the best (and only) real defense against sockpuppets and dramatically reduce their impact. Creating sockpuppets can be sanctioned with a ban, which seems appropriate in this case. For the duration of the ban, I believe that a week (maybe two) is quite appropriate, as this is to my understanding a first-time offence when it comes to sockpuppeting but not the first offence in Neutralizers recent history. Of course this discussion assumes the sockpuppet allegation as a fact. I am willing to believe this, but the evidence needs to be publicly accessible (given Amgine's history of sockpuppet allegations). Late update: I was not aware that this has already been dealt with by banning Neutralizer for a month. I agree with Deprifry that therefore this point has therefore no (or little) bearing on the current discussion.
 * 2) This is a problem that has some history and has been dealt with before by banning Neutralizer temporarily. Since then Neutralizer has been advised by some people (including myself) to refrain from such anti-productive behaviour. It seems that the majority of Amgine's claims w.r.t. this rest on this previous issue. The new cases seem much more toned downed to me. I admit that I have not spent the time shuffeling through Amgine's list to distill the relevant cases, so I cannot comment on appropriate repercussions.
 * 3) Neutralizer has been liberal in the use or removal of POV flags. Maybe too liberal, and it would be good for him to learn to compromise and find common ground. (I may also need to get better at this, but that is irrelevant here.) I suggest a self-imposed ban by Neutralizer to not touch NOPV flags for 2 weeks and limit discussions regarding NPOV issues to 3 posts per article. This may be a good way to reinforce constructive editing behaviour. Having said this, there are of course also other people that are quite "trigger-happy" (in their function as "editors") when it comes to NPOV flags and may want to consider a similar therapy.
 * In total I suggest a week's or two ban with another week or two of self-imposed restrictive NPOV editing. Curious what other people think. --vonbergm 21:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

 * To your points:

1. While it certainly gives an inside into Neutralizer's character he has already been banned for a full month for this by NGerda back in August. So punishing him again for this would be Double Jeopardy.

2. Frankly, "attacks on personal basis" is an understatement. He accused MrM and Craig of being agents of the US government paid to infiltrate Wikinews. That's a preposterous and quite possibly libelous allegation that clearly needs to be retracted. --Deprifry | +T+ 22:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Aside: It would be quite funny to see you push this through a court, because I doubt that they would uphold that comparing someone to an agent of law was a slur of character. Hahaha. -- Simeon 08:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Additional aside: If it were true though, couldn't N be held liable for "leaking the identity of a government agent"? I seem to recall a similar case in the US recently... Anyhow, more seriously, I think most of us agree that N's "government agent" claim was absurd and unhelpful, but it also seems absurd to me that it's been used again and again as a stick to beat him with. Without wanting to sound crass about it, it's not exactly the worst slur you can throw at a person and I humbly suggest that most of us here have thrown, and received, far worse insults than that one in our time (certainly I have). It was quite a while ago now, N did get a 72-hour ban as a result of making it, and I've not seen any similar claims from him since - in fact I've seen a marked change in his behaviour. I'm sorry if the recipient of the slur still feels upset by it but (though I don't have time to track through all the machinations right now) I'm pretty sure I did see a retraction/apology somewhere along the way. The recipient of the slur in question is laudably open on his talk page about the admirable personal beliefs to which he professes adherence. My understanding of that particular set of beliefs is that forgiveness and "turning the other cheek" play quite a central part.

Rcameronw 09:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

(Deprifry continues...)

3. This needs to be addressed in the long term. Just banning him for a specific time is not gonna help the community. We need to make it clear to him and to us what's acceptable and appropiate behaviour and what's not. I know, that's not going to be an easy way but I think it is possible. --Deprifry | +T+ 22:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

 * My responses (to Deprifry):
 * 1. We do not have a "double jeapordy" law here.  If users repeat a violation, then it will be dealt with as per the blocking policy.  Not all of the examples provided occurred in August.
 * 2. I find it as a personal attack, as I have repeatedly asked him to stop calling me a "Government agent" or associated with the government in any way - because it is a false claim.  Furthermore, I find these as personal attacks because he implies that I am employed to do nothing but manipulate Wikinews for the government.  You may not see it as a personal attack, but I do.  Would you really want someone to keep claiming that you are something you aren't and trying to defame you while in the process?  That's a personal attack in my book.

 * Comment Sorry to interupt but wanted to mention these previous retractions that MrM may have not seen;http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler#Plot_to_Permanently_Ban_Me.3F ""I made a big mistake by mentioning the taboo term "government agent". I will retract that right now since I have no proof." Neutralizer 15:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)and also http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals&oldid=153499#Some_of_us_ARE_being_paid_.3F"I should take the opportunity to say that I could be wrong about my suspicions; I did lead off by saying "in my opinion" and that's all it is...my opinion..not a fact;"  Neutralizer 18:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 * 3. I think that the most proper way to do this is already handled with the policies and style guides already enacted on the website.
 * --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 22:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

 * 1. I was only refering to the sock puppet thing, which occured in August.
 * 2. Im sorry you missunderstood that. I meant with "understatement" that it was worse than a personal attack, namely libelous = defamation.
 * 3. From the look of this page there seems to be some serious disagreements about interpretating the policy. I think it is in the best interest of the community that this situation will be resolved in a way most people can agree on. Not only for the sake of Neutralizer but for future cases aswell. --Deprifry | +T+ 22:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

From his talk page. (have to go thru history to get to it. ). Nice quote box courtasy of Mr.M — thank-you for the quote template.
 * I would like to say, that I see no positive benifit from this ban. Yes Neutrilizer has done some bad things( I would say the sockpuppet, and the whole agent thing, would constitute as extremly bad), and he has also done some good things. But a near permanent ban, isn't going to do anything to help these problems. Especially considering he said he wanted mediation, and was prepared to take a wiki-break to try and stop the bad feelings between him and others. Isn't getting everyone to get along and agree, beter then punishing people?

Bawolff ☺☻ 23:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Length of blocks
No way should anyone ever be blocked for 6 months. Ever. Anyone. Not even known, proven, identified vandal-bots. Anything could happen in six months, including someone else get the IP. Anyone who actually respects a 6 month block should by definition get some kind of medal, because it shows extreme obedience above and beyond the call of duty. In fact, take that back, they should get some kind of bell so that people know they are brain dead. Could a six-month block have any purpose other than to cause someone to break the six month block? Then perhaps we could block them permanently! Wow ... never thought of that! -- Simeon 09:12, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews: Discuss: appropriate length of blocks:

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 * Agreed. I think what we've seen here has been a pretty interesting model of how a free and open community can descend "by a thousand cuts" into something far short of it. I think the thing that sealed it for me was reading the phrase "by order of the Arbitration Committee", used without any apparent hint of irony. Since when did we start giving each other "orders"?!
 * When we suggested that Arbitration would help out here, what we meant was that we should get someone external and independent, not create a "Committee" consisting of exactly the same people who've been clashing horns with Neutralizer for the last few weeks to do the Abitration for us, who then go around giving and executing "orders". If these guys are going to be on the "Committee of Public Safety" or the "State Peace and Development Council" or whatever it's called, then I think the rest of us should be as well.
 * If this was happening in real life, it would be scary. As things stand, it's just a bit mad.

Rcameronw 14:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Addendum - Is anyone else starting to feel like they're the unwitting participant of some strange psychology experiment / fiendishly clever and elaborate practical joke? Rcameronw 14:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Unilateral block
Administrators should not take it into their heads to block people. Blocking is a last resort. I have just blocked three administrators who implemented the block against Neutralizer (see below). I would prefer to strip their admin privs, but don't think I could do that effectively. Perhaps Wikipedia can now discuss this issue sanely, in the absence of the extra-coercive admins. I doubt this block will last unless it is reinforced by other users. I suggest that someone take appropriate action who agrees that these people have gone too far and that Wikinews needs the breathing space to figure out how better to handle these types of issues.

If it's helpful to block Neutralizer, then this is *no different*.

Over and out, I haven't been around much, but what I see is distasteful. Please help make this a better and more friendly place, please help people to write their news and get it up in a timely fashion, even if it means making some compromises on how much this site looks like a 'regular site'. And please refrain from pushing the big red button whenever you can.

Discuss below here what can be done, and who can be our admins, and how wikinews can run with less beauracracy and therefore less trigger-happy adminning.

-- Simeon 08:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

title: Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/Archive/9


text:
Wikinews:Arbitration Committee

The Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) is a last resort for situations where other methods of dispute resolution have failed. All other options should be exhausted prior to a dispute being brought to the Arbitration stage.

The committee exists to provide binding remedies to Wikinews disputes. This may be anything up to, and including, a ban from editing Wikinews for a period of time.

The committee is the last step in the dispute resolution process — it is a last resort to be turned to when all else has failed. Other steps, including discussion between users and, where appropriate, mediation, should be tried first. The Arbitration Committee exists to deal with only the most serious disputes and cases of rule-breaking.

How does it work?
Cases may be brought to the Arbitration Committee by any Wikinews user. The Arbitration Committee will vote to accept cases; once accepted a case passes through stages of evidence, determinations, and remedies before being archived for use as a future reference or precedence.

Hearing a case
The ArbCom chooses to accept a case by simple majority. Cases which do not gain a simple majority within 5 days (120 hours) are rejected. The committee will attempt to remedy cases where efforts at Dispute resolution have failed.

Which arbitrators will hear requests
All Arbitrators will hear all cases, barring any personal leaves or recusals. If an Arbitrator believes they have a conflict of interest in a case, they shall recuse themselves immediately from participation in the case. Users who believe Arbitrators have a conflict of interest should post an appropriate statement during the Arbitration process. The Arbitrator in question will seriously consider it and make a response. Arbitrators will not be required to recuse themselves for trivial reasons – merely reverting an edit of a user involved in a case undergoing Arbitration, for example, will likely not be seen as a serious enough conflict of interest to require recusal.

Determinations
Parties in a dispute provide evidence and basis for the dispute to the Arbitration Committee, who will vote on determinations. In making determinations, the committee is not bound by the strict letter of policies but may determine by their perception of the spirit of both the policy and the motivations of people they are reviewing. These determinations will form the basis for the remedies.

Remedies
The arbcom may use a range of remedies, including behavioural remedies such as requiring an editor to avoid certain articles or topic categories. The parties involved work with the Arbitration Committee, suggesting possible remedies and working out the details including methods of monitoring compliance. These remedies may be enforced by blocks.

No article issues, please
The Arbitration Committee cannot determine "truth", especially for a specific article. Instead it addresses issues between and among members of the community.

Selecting Committee members
Arbitration Committee members are nominated and selected through community discussions. Whenever possible, members of the committee should be chosen with as near a consensus as possible, and without a poll. Discussions should not be closed in less than 7 days.

Number of members and tenure
There are 6 members on the Arbitration Committee. There are no fixed criteria for membership, but availability for speedy review of case applications should be a consideration. When a vacancy occurs, the community may nominate a replacement.

Committee members may be nominated for consecutive tenures, gaining another term after being chosen with the same consensus requirement.

Term Changes
Because Wikinews is a small community, two elections a year was annoying, and sidelined us from the important business of news writing. In January 2008 it was decided to replace two elections a year with one. This has been done by removing the staggered tenures, with the view that if the ArbCom is required more in the future, staggered tenures will be reintroduced.

Per this vote the terms of ArbCom members, (formerly Brian New Zealand) and  were extended by six months. These terms, which were due to expire on January 31, 2008, expired on July 31, 2008.

Going forward, until need dictates a reintroduction of staggered tenures:
 * ArbCom elections will be held during July of each year for the seats which end July 31
 * These elections will be for all six seats

Members
The following is a list of most recent Arbitration Committee members:

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User talk:212.135.1.186

Hello there. I think you know why you were blocked. During your time off, may I suggest that you take a look at our Style Guide. Have a nice day. --Deprifry|+T+ 09:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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At least 60 killed in Iraq suicide bombings

November 18, 2005

A string of suicide bombings in Iraq have killed at least 60 people and injured over 60 more as insurgents attacked a prominent Baghdad hotel as well as two mosques 90 miles (140 kilometres) north-east of the capital.

52 people were killed and 65 wounded when two suicide bombers detonated themselves in Shi'ite mosques in the eastern Iraqi town of Khanaqin, inhabited mostly by Shi'ite Kurds. The bombers entered the mosques during Friday prayers and blew themselves up, completely destroying the buildings. The attack was the latest in a series of bombings by Sunni Muslim insurgents at Shi'ite mosques. Earlier on the same day two suicide truck bombs destroyed an apartment block in Baghdad, killing at least eight people and injuring at least 43. The blast was near an interior ministry prison bunker where a torture scandal involving numerous Sunni Arab prisoners has been taking place. US military and security experts said, however, that the target of the attack was not the bunker but a prominent hotel used by foreign journalists. US Colonel Ed Cardon said the Baghdad bombing did not go according to plan. He told reporters that the first truck was to pave way for the second truck, but instead both trucks exploded in the same place. Cardon's view was supported by deputy interior minister Hussein Kamal, who said initial reports indicate that the Hamra hotel was the actual target.


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British policewoman shot dead

November 18, 2005

Two policewomen were shot in Bradford city centre today — one fatally. The surviving officer has been hospitalized in Bradford Royal Infirmary. The officer who died is believed to have only joined the police force within the past two years. The murdered officer has been named as 38 year old Sharon Beshenivsky. The second officer has been named as 37 year old Teresa Milburn.

The officers are believed to have been responding to an alarm call from a personal attack alarm at "Universal Express Travel Agents" 116 - 120 Morley Street at around 3:25 GMT.

The murder took place on Morley Street, which is in the University and College part of City, at the crossroads with Great Horton Lane are the main student entertainments and night clubs. The Alhambra theatre is at the bottom half of the street. The area is heavily covered by CCTV, which may help the investigation.

Home secretary Charles Clarke said, "While incidents of this sort are mercifully rare, they serve to remind us of the risks and dangers police officers face every day in their work to uphold the law and protect the public."

Six people are currently under arrest in relation to the murder. Most of the surrounding area in Bradford has been closed off.

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Talk:Globalization and trade deficit are connected says Greenspan

I really want to edit this page, although it is already published. So I wll put my comments here. if I don't get any objections, I will make the changes.

I can't really edit Greenspan's quote here, but since the government has a number of deficits there ought to be something to indicate that this refers to the current account deficit. I propose bracketing. "The rise of our [current account] deficit and our ability to finance it appears to coincide with a pronounced new phase of globalization that has emerged in the past decade".

There is no wikipedia entry for current account deficit, but one ought be created. I will go do that after this. I presume Mr. Greenspan's comments made this clear in context. But it woudl certainly be a blunder to presume that the US budget defecit, for example, was a "market phenomenon"!

In this part of the article. "In the speech Greenspan said neither interest rate increases nor cuts in the US fiscal deficit would result in large reductions in the current account deficit. These are the three standard ways the government controls the economy." I added the 'neither' for empahsis. But more importantly, the previous sentence lists only two tools for controlling the economy. I looked back to "targeting one or more policy variables such as the exchange rate" to figure out that exchange rate is the third tool for influencing the economy. But it took me multiple readings to get this.

I propose

"A nation's current account balance thus is essentially a market phenomenon that is not readily subject to rebalance by targeting one or more policy variables such as the exchange rate," Greenspan said. In the speech Greenspan said that likewise, neither interest rate increases nor cuts in the US fiscal deficit would result in large reductions in the current account deficit. These (exchange rate, interest rate, fiscal deficit) are the three standard ways the government controls the economy.

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Deer and other animals found dead at Ball State University

November 20, 2005 The carcasses of two deer, a coyote, and a possum were dumped in the Delta Gamma Iota fraternity house on the campus of Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana on November 10. The dead animals were apparently placed in the house while members slept. A repairman discovered the prank while working in the house's kitchen.

Members left the house for at least a day while the animals were removed and the house was disinfected by the Delaware County Health Department.

The fraternity house is located off-campus and is recognized by Ball State -- the DGI house is unaffiliated with the intra-fraternity council, however.

The animals were apparently "roadkill" (struck and killed by automobiles on the road). The Indiana Department of Natural Resources is investigating the incident due to the use of deceased animals in vandalism.


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 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:Phmp65