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Regarding why this edit was reverted: Our policy is that a story that is more than 24 hours old cannot be updated or altered with new content, per our archival policy. Basically, it states that news articles should provide information that was available or known at a certain time, and after a certain period of time should no longer be altered for content. You're certainly welcome to create a new article with the new information if you like. Tempodivalse [talk]  22:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * As Tempodivalse and Brian McNeil have tried to explain, new content cannot be added to this story (even if you have a source). If there is something newsworthy (meaning current) to report, you should start a new article. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Re your comment on my talk page, it is as per Tempodivalse says, the WN:ARCHIVE policy. This is a key difference between Wikinews and Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles strive to be complete and up to date, Wikinews articles are to be a snapshot of what was known at the time of publication. i.e. Wikinews is a historical record. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Fundraising to keep Avro Vulcan flying succeeds

As a young aircraft enthusiast, i think it is fantastic that this magnificant aeroplane has been given another chance to show off it's true splendour.

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Talk:Colonel Sanders statue lost in 1985 recovered from river in Japan

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Title is POV and speculative. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * The title was changed from "Dotonbori releases Colonel Sanders statue, is curse lifted?" to "Colonel Sanders statue lost in 1985, recovered from river in Japan" by DragonFire1024. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, "Dotonbori releases..." sounded nice to me, but I think the new title is modest, moderate in good meaning. This one seems to be the best. Thanks. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Category Food
We'd better avoid risk of playing a role of an advertiser. Categorizing this article into Food may result in leading visitors (who hope to read food-related news) in vain and offering them commercial for KFC instead.

This news article doesn't say anything about food. The fact that a food company was involved by accident is not enough. If the news were about food poisoning, it would be natural to categorize the article into Food, though. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes no difference. KFC is a restaurant, which serves chicken, which is a food. Where in the caregory food does it advertise anything about KFC? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've not yet got an answer to my question: why this article is categorized into Food while it says nothing about food itself? Categorization needs a real connection. News on a farmer sowing his corn is not to be categorized into Temple or Dog just because of a nursery rhyme.
 * Advertisement doesn't need a direct mention on goods or services a company provides. (If it does, a subliminal advertising is impossible). When a visitor finds this article in Category Food, the visitor is thinking about food. Reading this article, the visitor may feel KFC Japan is a nice company and think it must be providing nice food. That's an advertising effect. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 14:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Quotation
Dear Dragon, I understand why you modified a direct quote part I edited before. Also my first choice was "Hanshin." But.... Generally, word-to-word transcription is not always the best way to convey what a person means. This time I preferred "the Tigers" because:
 * What he meant to say was 'Sanders must back the team up because Sanders is a gentleman.'
 * No other part referred to this team by name without using "Tigers."
 * "Hanshin" is ambiguous. This Japanese word is used to mean a wide area under various definitions, and appears in names of the team, the stadium, the team owner company.

Maybe indirect quotation is better for this part. This part must have been spoken and was written down in Japanese. The source reporter (of Mainichi) may have abbreviated or changed words. And, I confess I had a problem when translated "honrai" into a single English phrase. (His "honrai" sounds like "truly" but not emphasizes it's a truth, sounds like "by nature" but not implies 'from birth.') Being fairly close to the original might be an impossible task for Wikinews editor, except for the case of Original Report. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A quote is a quote. What someone says cannot be changed because it does not sound right. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You'd better read another opinion carefully. I never changed this part because his words sounded wrong to me. As to quotation, both you and I consider that 'what someone really said' is important. Don't stick to the impression that another guy must be mistaken.
 * I repeat. Copying a quote from a source is not always the best and only way to convey what someone said. Thoughtless copying may result in no sense especially when languages differ. If someone says in Japanese that something is iroha of baseball, and we convey it in English, we have no choice but replace "iroha" by an English phrase (e.g. "ABC"). "Ukiyo-e" can not be replaced in a direct quote, but this "iroha" should. Such replacement is desirable also when a loan word can mean another thing in English: a five-story "mansion" -->> a five-story apartment house. A rule of literal no-change is sometimes not convincing.
 * Back to the article, using "Hansin" here in accordance with the source (as my first choice) is not a must. In Japanese, people often call a professional baseball team by the name of the home place or of the owner company: Yokohama, Hanshin, etc. In English, MLB for example, place names are shorten in acronyms (e.g. TB, NYY), but calling a team only by a place name is not an established custom. BOS is called Red Sox more often than Boston, isn't it? "The Tigers" is nothing to be discarded here.--Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:Madoff jailed after pleading guilty to $50 billion fraud scheme

Seems utterly appropriate to me. But it's a shame that enough information has not surfaced to allow authorities to trace some of the money.

may he rot in jail —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.226.95.18 (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Madoff in prison
Thank god his bail was sensibly revoked. His fellow prisoners are not going to look favorably on him. Not only did he bilk wealthy individuals, but colleges, universities, and numerous worthy non-profit organizations. This will get him the status that he truly deserves: the lowest of the low. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.157.99 (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He's rich (or at least various members of his family still are). He committed a 'white-collar' crime - not something utterly, utterly evil like sharing a joint with a couple of friends. Face it, he'll not end up in a real prison, he'll never meet any murderers or the like, and despite all the drama about hundred+ year sentences, he will probably be out before he dies. Yes Bernie, go directly to the Federal Holiday Camp Facility! Certainly! We will provide you with paper to write your memoirs and further profit from your crimes. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

He should be made to dump all his money into funding some of these bailouts, instead of the class of people he's robbed continuing to pay for the supposed mistakes of him and his ilk.

Instead, taxpayers are going to donate money to his, probably comfortable, life in prison, and as has already been pointed out, people who were close to him will continue to profit from his crimes.

He's done the establishment proud. Heck, if Bush were still in office, he would probably get a pardon in a few years... quietly... and after public memory has faded enough... which doesn't take long... and who knows... Obama or whoever follows him may still do him that favor as well. They're all one big happy family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.31.21.15 (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Go directly to jail, at least until dying.If outside, he will be seriously at risk from both victims, confederates and extortioners.
 * What is the public interest in bailing someone for whom a custodial sentence seems inevitable (for deterrence of white-collar theft, and to prevent recurrence/continuation, if not for protective custody?) I suppose only to buy Madoff's evidence, which can achieve little more than

 * obtain slightly better loss recovery, (conceivably by returning concealed proceeds from relations etc, but mainly by respreading the losses amongst fraudulent or contributorily negligent officers, brokers, auditors, regulators etc., and their insurers);
 * a few more prosecutions and actions against those witting and unwitting accomplices; and
 * some much-needed regulator and investor training.
 * I doubt that is enough evidence to justify release.

 * There is a common expression in England that a crook "made off" with his loot: ha ha ha - simply by scale of success he may be regarded as a megastar amongst the cons, who rarely care about the worthiness of victims! At least, until sentenced he will be amongst the wost murderers etcJezzabr (talk) 18:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

If found guilty, he must be executed.

For too long, white collar criminals have counted on the leniency of the American judicial system to give them a slap on the wrist and a few years at a cushy minimum security prison. The scope of this man's crime needs a punishment to match - this is the philosophical foundation of crime and punishment.

Punishment is required to be severe enough to discourage the criminal act in the first place. Failing prevention by deterrence, the punishment aims to extract justice relative to the severity of the crime. Clearly current financial regulations and the punishment for breaking them aren't sufficient to prevent this kind of crime. If the American justice system gives Madoff the white collar criminal treatment, we then tacitly approve of this kind of behavior.

This is perhaps the most damaging type of crime America suffers from for it not only shakes the pillars of our economic foundation, shakes consumer confidence, and discourages FDI, but further exposes naked the fundamental weakness of the American justice and economic regulatory systems.

It's time to send a message to those who feel that great wealth bestows a unique privilege to defraud so many individuals from millions of hard earned dollars and America of her dignity.

Execute him and liquidate all of his assets.


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Canadian jail inmates used nail clippers to escape, report finds

March 13, 2009 According to a government report released on Tuesday, six inmates of a Regina, Saskatchewan jail managed to escape last summer after spending four months using nail clippers and other makeshift instruments to break out.

The report stated that no fewer than 87 prison guards had supervised the inmates' unit, but did not discover the prisoners' escape plans.

The inmates, four of whom had faced murder charges, used the instruments to remove a steel plate and grill, and finally break through with a shower rod, reaching an exterior brick wall. The inmates used sheets and blankets to climb up the exterior walls of the compound.

Some of the prisoners played cards at a table in the corridor to block the guards' view.

The prisoners were later caught and sent back to prison. "We didn't think we would get away with it. We started working on it. It was something to do and we just kept at it. When we didn't get caught, we picked our night and just went," said one of the escapees to the team investigating the incident.


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Talk:US, UK investigators seek 777 engine redesign to stop repeat of London jet crash

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Please bear in mind that some text in this article is derived from or directly copied from the NTSB; as work of the US federal government such text is in the public domain and we are free to use it in any way we see fit. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Canadian jail inmates used nail clippers to escape, report finds

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Capture
It would be interesting to know how far they managed to get before being caught, and whether they had a chance to evade capture, if they had been more careful or split up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.173.170 (talk) 07:47, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Correction template needed?
I made a mistake when writing the article -- it was a Regina county gaol, not a Saskatoon prison as was originally reported. Should we use a correction template here? ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 22:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


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US stock markets have their best week since November

March 13, 2009

Wall Street had its best finish since November 2008 after a four day rally with the stock market’s indexes seeing their best weekly gain in nearly five months. The major indicators in the NYSE had a gain of around 10 percent. This was mainly due to bank shares bouncing and alleviating fears about the economy.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) finished on 7223.98, an increase of 54 points from March 12 2009. The S&P 500 Index finished at 756.55 a 6 point gain and the NASDAQ composite had a 5.40 point gain as well to end the day at 1431.50.

The rally began earlier this week after the news from Citigroup Inc. about managing profits during first two months of the year. The news lessened fears about the country's major financial institutions collapsing after the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September. There was more good news from Bank of America Corp. and JPMorgan Chase & Co., who announced that they have had profits in the current year.

Today was a mixed day for the financial sector, Drug makers had some gains and so did General Motors and Berkshire Hathaway, which helped the indexes gain. The value of the US dollar fell against other world currencies, but gold prices increased.


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Obama administration drops use of term "enemy combatant"

March 13, 2009 🇺🇸 The administration of United States President Barack Obama issued a court order Friday dropping "enemy combatant" as a term to describe those held in the U.S. military prison in Guantánamo Bay.

The move is a symbolic gesture that has been widely seen as a break from the administration of former President George W. Bush, which made the term an important aspect of his legal construct for dealing with terrorism suspects.

The United States Department of Justice filed the order in response to a federal judge's order seeking a definition of the term. Judges have said the definition will play a key role in determining whether the government has justified the confinement of many detainees who are challenging their status in U.S. District Court.

The Justice Department said it would only seek to detain those who "substantially supported" the Taliban, Al Qaeda or associated groups that participated in the September 11 terrorist attacks. The term "substantially supported" was not defined, but that classification would not include groups who "provide unwitting or insignificant support" to terror groups, according to court papers.

"The particular facts and circumstances justifying detention will vary from case to case, and may require the identification and analysis of various analogues from traditional international armed conflicts," government lawyers wrote in court papers. "Accordingly, the contours of the 'substantial support' and 'associated forces' bases of detention will need to be further developed in their application to concrete facts in individual cases."

This, too, was a break from the Bush administration, which has argued it can detain those who provided support to those groups, as well as those who "engaged in hostilities" against the United States and its allies.

Although detainees have argued in lawsuits that only those directly involved in terrorist hostilities should be held, the Justice Department filing continues to assert Obama's authority to hold detainees even if they were not captured on the battlefield. However, Obama says he will rely on that authority from Congress and international laws of war, not the wartime authority that Bush claimed which stemmed from congressional authorization.

Obama plans to close the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base detention camp within a year and determine where to place the 240 detainees currently held there.

"As we work towards developing a new policy to govern detainees, it is essential that we operate in a manner that strengthens our national security, is consistent with our values and is governed by law," said Attorney General Eric Holder in a statement.


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Please review first paragraph guidelines, as there really is no lead at this time. Please address grammar of last paragraph. Citations and no copy vio seem OK. Namaste SriMesh | talk  22:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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Picture too big. Look at 20,000 Californian state workers may lose their jobs or size of image on this article Dow Jones Industrial Average closes at lowest level in six years You may want to add the template being used in regards the 2008-09 financial crisis. You also may want to use a plain... Have an opinion on this story? Post it! template like in the latter, and/or an HAVE YOUR SAY template like in the first article with a query in it.... It is coming along much better. The red wiki link really has to go. SriMesh | talk  23:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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"Higest" isn't a word ;) 87.127.113.252 03:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC) Jimbo51
 * ✅ :-) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The headline is misleading.

The lowest point in the Dow in November 2008 was 7552 on November 20, 2008. The Dow closed at 7223 on Friday, well below the levels seen in November 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcallis (talk • contribs) 13:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

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DPL
Wikinews uses a fairly old version of DPL - not the newer DPL2. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Portal for user cats
Comment Not to be negative, and i do appreciate your effort, but I'm not entirely sure making portals for user cats is an entirely good idea. (I made a comment at Portal talk:User en-2). Cheers. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Reply Why create portals for User categories when there is a greater need for portals for news categories? The User en categories were a convenient place for practice - out-of-the-way (for news readers); a cul-de-sac (the second level has no sub-levels). Miropolitan (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC) Comment My main concern with using portals for this, is that you want a list of every en user on the portal page. However DPL's have a limit on how many articles they display. (try doing a DPL in the sandbox of category published. It won't list articles no matter how hard you try). With news articles, that's ok, as we are only interested in the last 10 or so. However for maintaince categories, this might become problem. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Portal User en creation notes
Check them out at Portal talk: User en

Proposal for a portal system
Alongside the category navigation system there should be a portal navigation system. With each portal having a corresponding category page (but some categories without a corresponding portal page). And with interportal links that preserve (but needn't duplicate) the linkage structure of the category system. Continued at: Proposal for portal system

South Australia
Please have a look at other regional categories, South Australia is not how this has been done elsewhere (eg United States), and should be a redirect to a category or portal.

One of the key reasons for this is the headaches around maintaining lists manually. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * On further considering this, I would assume there are protected pages need Category:South Australia added prior to making South Australia a redirect to portal or category.
 * A second point, is how - exactly - is South Australia geographically defined? Lastly, is 'South' or 'Southern' more appropriate? --Brian McNeil / talk 12:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

South Australia is a state, like Kentucky is a state or Kerala is a state, with well-defined borders. Southern Australia is an informal descriptor, not well defined. Queenslanders call the "southern states" what Western Australians call the "eastern states" - New South Wales and Victoria (where the populous, self-important cities of Sydney and Melbourne are located). --Miropolitan, 4 May 2009
 * Thanks for the Australian geography lesson, it's just labelled "XXXX" on my map. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 14:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Just got your email, it landed in my Bulk folder. The underlying Cateory: page should have all articles. If there are articles that should be in this category that are protected, then use editprotected on the article talk to get an admin to add that. Generally a header is then put on the Category: page using a DPL to list the most recently published stories.

Portals: are used where there is a fair churn of articles, a common template used for these will give a WP link, a latest news, and latest news in main categories like Economy and Business. You might not have one if there were only 2-3 news items per year.

Depending on what you have, the South Australia page would be a redirect to the portal or category. thus you can use the South Australia syntax in an actual news article and get directed to a portal. Early on in the project, South Australia would have been a link to the Wikipedia article, but if people are looking for news they should stay on the news site. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Region/topic pages - which namespace?
Reason to create a region or topic page in the Portal namespace: it gets listed alongside other region and topic pages, many of which (but not all, eg Massachussetts) can be found there. There is no Region category or Topic category.

Reason not to create a region portal and redirecting a main page to it: extra author effort, plus yet another redirect to confuse the viewer.

Reason to create a region page in the Category namespace: it gets listed as a subcategory of whatever other categories one placed it in, and not just as a page; this helps distinguish it from article pages.

Reason to not to bother listing regions/topics as categories:
 * A region/topic page can be distinguished from news article pages in a (higher) category's page-list by placing it at the front of that list, by listing it under blank (or some other non-alpha-numeric character) using the code.
 * Subcategories are often buried on second or third (etc) pages accessible by an alphabet menu, which renders it useless as an easy navigation system.
 * A newly created category will probably have no news articles in its automatic page-list, which makes it look kinda dumb. Getting all those published news articles that should be on this list actually on this list is difficult, time-consuming and problematic (for similar reasons to using DPLs, see next section).

Refer:
 * Wikinews:Why "Portal:" is good
 * Wikinews:Why "Portal:" is bad

Miropolitan, 2009.5.4

When to use Dynamic Page Lists
Reason to use DPLs: They allow news articles categorised under a region or topic to be listed under that region/topic (page/section) without (ongoing) user intervention. This is good for high volume news regions/topics.

Reasons to create article lists manually:

 * DPLs resist flexible formatting, eg make it hard to group articles by year.
 * DPLs rely on authors categorising their news articles appropriately. Changing an article's categorisation (especially after it's published) is harder than manually listing or not listing it.
 * The issue of whether a given article should be listed on a given region or topic page is not quite the same as how a news article should be categorised.
 * Article categorisation has a bearing on the organisation and appearance of the Category hierarchy.
 * An article's categorisation is part of the act of writing that article - authors may have their own reasons for how they do so.
 * Consideration of what to put on a region/topic page may have more to do with the composition of that page. Whether a given news article should be listed on (for example) the South Australia page as against the Australia page, or the Baxter Detention Centre page (for example) may depend on what other articles are listed on these pages, or on how the page authors/stakeholders want to develop the page. (Related example:) Should articles about father-daughter-sex or teacher-student-sex appear on the South Australia page just because they occur in South Australia, or involve South Australians? Some may argue that such relationships are so widespread that they hardly distinguish South Australia. On the other hand, such stories may be a useful balance to stories about all those noble and lofty things that South Australians get up to (like banning thin, non-biodegradable plastic shopping bags).

Miropolitan, 2009.5.4

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 * Okay --Miropolitan (talk) 01:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

On my first attempt to write a news article for Wikinews
Concerning my first attempt to write a news article for Wikinews: "Thin non-biodegradable plastic shopping bags banned in South Australia" (initially dated 4 May 2009)

Writing process and help from critics

Thank you to Tempodivalse for reminding me to create a category before linking an article to it. I'd assumed that linking to a category actually created the category, as with Wikipedia.

Thankyou to DragonFire1024 and Brianmc for criticisms that helped me improve the article, although I didn't follow all their suggestions.

I left in the section headers, against DragonFire's advice (Remove sections. Currently written more as an editorial). But I thought carefully about how and why I was using them, and added extra clarification text, for example under the Why? header a phrase of the form "reasons for doing so include". As for the reminder (warning?) that the article was written more as an editorial, I had trouble responding to this because the WN:SG style guide doesn't mention it. Nevertheless, the advice prompted me to make the article more factual, and to separate some of the facts, in particular to put separate close-to-the-source facts from the what-expresses-my-observations-attitudes-biases facts (not entirely successfully perhaps).

I took Brianmc's advice about beefing up the first (and second) paragraph with more who-what-why-when-how; it makes sense that the initial part of the article is a kind of summary that the rest of the article expands on. However, against Brianmc's advice, I didn't ruthlessly cull all the "women's magazine" bits, although admittedly I wasn't quite sure what B meant when he criticised the article's style for being too much like a women's magazine. (I was also was a bit put out - why pick on women?)

I must note here that I found little guidance in the WN:SG style guide about the issues Brianmc raised despite B's pointer to it. Come to think of it, DragonFire pointed me to the style guide, and I didn't find any advice on the issues D raised either - about sections, and (by implication) section headings, within the body of the news article - when, how, why to use them (or not use them). (Presumably the style guide has changed since B and D last read it, and it was rather an imagined style guide, or perhaps two imagined style guides, that they were referring to. Please don't ask me to rewrite the style guide to restore these imagined bits, which I was apparently in breach of.) This is unfortunate, because the issues raised are interesting ones, whatever one may think of sections/headers on the one hand, and the article style found in women's magazines (or indeed men's magazines), on the other.

On further reflection, I wonder whether D's concern about editorialising, and B's style concerns, are not in fact the same concern? And whether that concern is fairly widespread among (veteran) contributors. If so, where is the page that discusses it?

Loss of control

However, I have been unable to convert the lessons I have learned into a (in my eyes) better published article, because another writer has come in and kicked the article apart (albeit with the best of intentions, I'm sure).

Changes to the article include:

 * The section headers are gone. (What is it about pure slabs of text that so excites people that they do away with headers structuring the text and helping the reader navigate their way through it? Next they'll be doing away with the headline!)

 * The effort to describe a particular event, sticking closely to sources has been swamped by a wash of extraneous information - about efforts to control plastic bags in other regions; about bags "creating sewage pipe blockages providing a rich breeding ground for malaria and dengue fever" (presumably via mosquitoes), not however a problem in South Australia; about greenhouse gas issues in comparing plastic bags to paper ones.

 * The dot point structure is gone. (Again the overwhelming desire that some people have for unalloyed slabs of text.)

 * Lots more Wikipedia links embedded in the text. But that doesn't bother me.

My first reaction to (most of) these changes is (addressed to the other writer): Write your own damn news article! But I'm not supposed to say that, because "Wikinews articles are not "owned" by any of its editors, and anyone else is meant to be free to contribute to any article". Writing_an_article Okay, that's reasonable because there may be writers who simply can't begin an article, but who thrive on altering (improving, mutilating) other people's articles, and why deny them space to exist? Unfortunately, there is little guidance on how to deal with differences of opinion on article composition - I guess the wiki process is still being worked out (which may in fact be one of the main reasons that Wikinews was set up).

I do note that the other writer hasn't bothered to discuss their changes on the talk page (and they are major changes). But I suspect that veteran contributors who read to this point will merely sigh, "That's Wiki".

My second reaction is: If another contributor has useful information, they should create a new section, and put it in there. For example a section on what other regions are doing, in contrast to South Australia perhaps). Oh, but I forgot, articles aren't supposed be divided up into sections. (In which case, what's to stop various points wandering all over the text in a random fashion? As they seem have done here.)

Conclusion

At the end of the day (and I really should have gone to bed an hour ago), my involvement in Wikinews is to primarily to learn - about how to write news articles, how to use wikicode, and how to collaborate. So I've still come out ahead (more or less).

However, I'm not sure I'd recommend writing a Wikinews article to anyone else. (Why lose friends and antagonise enemies, as they say).

--Miropolitan (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of my first attempt to write a news article for Wikinews
Copy of my post (22 May 2009) to Water cooler/policy

(Section 24) Abysmal treatment of newcomers - Wikinews as an Orwellian state

 * I recently (4 May 2009) submitted an article called "Thin non-biodegradable plastic shopping bags banned in South Australia". It was blocked from publication with minimal and inadequate explanations, then altered by another contributor who didn't bother to comment on their changes. Now THIS NEWS ITEM HAS CEASED TO EXIST - it doesn't even remain as a disputed, unpublished article. All record of it on my "my contributions" page has vanished. This is straight out of George Orwell's "1984"! Wikinews, it seems, has been annexed by some Owellian Ministry of Truth!

--Miropolitan (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

For anyone who's interested, I have created a copy of said news article: Thin non-biodegradable plastic shopping bags banned in South Australia

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Billionaire philanthropist Leonore Annenberg dies at 91

March 13, 2009

Billionaire philanthropist and former Chief of Protocol of the United States Leonore Annenberg, widow of the late publishing magnate Walter Annenberg, died Thursday, at Eisenhower Medical Center in Rancho Mirage, California. She was 91 and had been in declining health at the time of her death. An Annenberg family spokesperson issued a statement confirming Mrs. Annenberg's death, and giving the cause of death as natural.

Annenberg served as Chief of Protocol from 1981 to 1982 under President Ronald Reagan. Once out of the public eye, the Annenbergs began donating large sums of their fortune to arts, cultural, medical, and educational facilities through the Annenberg Foundation, established in 1989.

Former President George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush issued a statement in which they referred to Mr. and Mrs. Annenberg as having "exemplified service to others and were two of God's very special people." Former First Lady Nancy Reagan called Mrs. Annenberg "a dear and longtime friend" and praised the couple's "unparalleled" philanthropy that "left an indelible print on education in the United States."

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Comments:Canadian jail inmates used nail clippers to escape, report finds

I'd say "That's pretty cool, good for them," but then I don't know what they're serving their sentences for. 68.2.80.250 01:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I still like the chopper escape from Greece better.--66.229.11.230 03:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

whatever the gaurds were probably part of it you can`t possobly be watching and not know  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.242.163.211 (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

It's amazing when you hear about all the things prisoners manage to do with the simple tools they give them. Anunnakki (talk) 05:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:EBay Australia's PayPal only policy blocked

eBay, PayPal, their double charges and devious polices
{{Not only eBay's policy is anticompetitive, but also it is a blatant attempt to restrict our choices and freedoms only to maximize eBay’s profits. This is one thing; however last Thursday, 12 March 2009, just after I received payment for some radio tubes I sold, I received PayPal’s notification of my PayPal Account being restricted. Their explanation was that they must confirm my identity and for this I need to supply them with my Passport’s number, photocopy of my Driving Licence, and some other documents including Utility Bills to confirm my address. Because I am a Verified User of eBay, for which I had to provide my bank account numbers and my credit card numbers, and to open such accounts my identity was thoroughly checked by the Bank in conjunction with Australian Tax Office. Therefore, on this occasion I refused to comply with their current request. Not only do I consider such a request a gross violation of my privacy, but also an attempt to steal my Identity. After all, with their “offices” in India and similar countries, how can I be certain that all that data remains safe and confidential???? As a result I sent to PayPal three emails, all remain unanswered, my only option so far is to instigate legal proceeding against PayPal to free my funds currently frozen in that PayPal account. For those who can access PayPal system, the case ID number is PP-652-447-217.

Be aware of eBay, PayPal, their double charges and devious polices; it ALL hits you without a warning. Best regs, Wojtek —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.100.244.66 (talk • contribs)


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7 killed, 50 injured in Bangladesh shopping mall fire

March 14, 2009

Seven people died and 50 others were injured during a fire at Bangladesh's largest shopping mall on Friday.

The dead include six security guards, three of whom were found in an elevator. The seventh was an employee with the mall fire fighting unit who died from injuries in the hospital.

Survivors on the rooftop were rescued by Bangladesh Air Force helicopters. Shoppers fled the mall. The 22 story Basundhara City Complex in Dhaka has more than 2,000 shops and restaurants. It is not known how many were in the mall nor the exact death count. Flames and smoke billowed from the top floors of the mall.

Fifteen fire trucks were dispatched to the fire. Due to high winds and no ladders which would reach the 18th floor, the blazing inferno took between seven to ten hours to extinguish. The fire began in the Basundhara offices on the 18th floor.


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Comments:US stock markets have their best week since November

Highest levels since November? Just because they had their biggest gains since that time doesn't equate with them closing at their highest levels! What chart are you looking at?

The headline is misleading.

The lowest point in the Dow in November 2008 was 7552 on November 20, 2008. The Dow closed at 7223 on Friday, well below the levels seen in November 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcallis (talk • contribs) 15:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


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Can this template be added to the image of building on fire picture...entitled File:BlazeAtBashundhuraCityTower.jpg so it shows up like Thank you. 70.76.43.200 16:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Community Television consortium urges Australian government to increase funding for channels

Not a Chance for CTV
Well, I can definately see the community radio sector receiving money from the federal government. However,with the community television sector it's a matter if the public wants to fund another commercial-style outlet such as SBS or ABC. It's my opinion that the community television sector has survived since 1994 by commercial advertising so far, so why do they need federal funding? Maybe for transitioning to digital spectrum, but as far as continual government (public tax dollars), fat chance! You haven't yet made your focus primarily in support of the public, you've got high ambitions to create a service that goes beyond public interest, and you have yet promoted localism. In today's economic crises, it is especially not the importance of the federal government to financially support such a low level of media interest. My suggestion would be to current and prospective community television operators, look for alternatives to going digital and continually build what could be a great industry - if not owned by commercial interests. IF ANYONE DELETES OR CHANGES THIS STATEMENT ONLY SHOWS THAT THE COMMUNITY TELEVISION SECTOR REFUTES OPINION!


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Oil spill hits Australia's Sunshine coastline

March 15, 2009

200,000 litres of oil leaked into waters off the coast of Brisbane from the Pacific Adventurer when their fuel tanks were damaged in rough seas on Wednesday. The figure is about ten times higher than the original estimate of twenty thousand litres of oil. The devastating diesel oil spill has spread along of the Queensland coast. In addition, 31 containers with 620 tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertiliser flew overboard during the violent storm.

Questions are being asked why the Hong Kong cargo ship was out in seas with nine meter waves caused by Cyclone Hamish, a Category 5 tropical cyclone, as well as why the fertiliser containers were not properly secured. One of the overboard containers ruptured the hull of the Pacific Adventurer, causing between 30 to 100 tonnes of oil to spew from the severely damaged ship.

If the ammonium nitrate mixes with the heavy oil, an explosion could occur. None of the containers have been recovered. Some of these may float, but it is believed that they may have sunk which then may cause algal blooms.

Disaster zones have been declared at Bribie and Moreton Islands, and along the Sunshine coast.

The vessel's owner, Swire Shipping, reported that a second leak began on Friday, when the ship began listing after docking at Hamilton for repairs. "As full soundings of the vessel's tanks were being taken at the port to determine how much oil had leaked from the vessel, a small quantity of fuel oil escaped from the Pacific Adventurer," it stated. The ship was brought upright, and a recovery vessel was used to suck up the oil from the water. The leak produced a 500m-long oil slick down the Brisbane River. Booms were placed around this oil spill so that a skimmer could clean up the second spill.

Swire Shipping could face clean up costs of AU$100,000 a day as well as fines up to AU$1.5million (US$977,000; £703,000) if found guilty of environmental breaches or negligence.

Sunshine Coast beaches are slowly starting to be reopened. The beach of Mooloolaba was still closed following reports of burning sensations from swimmers. 12 beaches remain closed; however, 13 have been reopened.

Over 300 state government and council workers are using buckets, rakes and spades in the clean up effort. Sunshine Coast Mayor Bob Abbott says the majority will be gone by Sunday afternoon. The full environmental impact on wildlife is not yet known. One turtle and seven pelicans have been found covered in oil.

There are concerns that the drinking water of Moreton Island is at risk, as the island uses water from the underground water table near the oil spill site.

"Every bucketload of contaminated sand has to be removed from the island by barge, and each bucketload from a front-end loader weighs about one tonne. It's just an impossible task,” said Mr Trevor Hassard of the Tangalooma Dolphin Education Centre.

The commercial fishing industry has suffered from the incident. Trawlers won't resume operations until Sunday evening, and any catches will be tested for human consumption.


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British TV presenter Rico Daniels tells Wikinews about being 'The Salvager'

March 14, 2009 Rico Daniels is a British TV presenter living in France who is known for his two television series — The Salvager — whilst he still lived in the UK and then Le Salvager after he moved to France. Rico has been in a variety of jobs but his passion is now his profession - he turns unwanted 'junk' into unusual pieces of furniture. Rico's creations and the methods used to fabricate them are the subject of the Salvager shows.

Rico spoke to Wikinews in January about his inspiration and early life, future plans, other hobbies and more. Read on for the full exclusive interview, published for the first time:

Interview
How was it you first came to be interested in salvaging?

I grew up in Basildon New Town very close to the enormous spoil heap that later became the green hills of Gloucester Park. There was all sorts of stuff dumped by developers and local businesses that was pure treasure trove to all the London kids that had moved down there. I suppose I was actively seeking play material from as young as 5 I suppose. My dad had big plans for me and tended to buy me "educational" stuff for Xmas. Things like encyclopaedias, microscope, chemistry set. That sort of stuff. Great for the brain but not what you'd call a toy. I ended up playing with my dad's tools and using whatever I could drag off the spoil heap as material.

What makes 'good' rubbish, and how do you tell it apart from other junk?

I dont look at junk as junk. To me its raw material like any other but with added benefits. I like to preserve the patina of age and sometimes decay where it brings an interesting element to a build. Faded paintwork and oxidised metal are dripping with history and add shedloads of character to anything they're included in. Materials obviously have to be sound and usable otherwise you'd just be using crap to make more crap.

What differences are there between salvaging in your home of France and back here in Britain, and what simply doesn't change when you cross the border?

The advantages of France as a source of build material is that there are so many more opportunities to chance on stuff that may be 2 or even 3 centuries old. Hand made hinges and latches, ancient oak boards etc. My favourite hunting places are the ashes of old farmers fires. I pull out astonishingly interesting bits of hand forged ironwork. The thing that stays constant from one country to the other is that people can have amazingly good stuff but see little or no value in it leaving the field wide open for anyone that has a little vision.

'''You say on your website that you are working on an idea for a new show. Can you tell us a bit more about that?'''

Theres not much I can say about doing a new show apart from the fact that whatever I did I would insist on retaining my integrity. My shows have all been optimistic and upbeat which I would have thought the essential ingredients of any TV to take us through a recession. Don't think I could do the nasty vote -the -others off type show. I certainly wouldn't be happy adhering to the clicheed scripts so many celebs seem happy to stick to and you will never see Rico Daniels wearing a frock on the Paul O Grady show. Seems a step too low for a bit of cash.

'''When you go out looking for materials, presumably you never know what you're going to find. When you look at what's available, how do you come up with a vision of what you're going to make from it?'''

The best work I do grows over time. I have hundreds of galvanised boxes full of "components". I like assembling the elements of a build to be like a piece of art. TV demands a faster pace than I normally like which was fun though at some point I would like people to see what can really be created with a bit of care and careful planning.

'''You are also into a bit of axe throwing, I understand. Do you ever do this competitively?'''

My axe throwing which has been more implied than seen was something that I started doing at "western" camps in Germany. It was organised as a competition there hitting a range of targets on marked posts. I use it now as a way of letting off steam. I also throw circular saw blades usually at a target I call WMD Tony. Chills you right out.

'''As you rightly mentioned when you announced your new show concept, it is very hard to get a hold of money these days in any sizable amount - people are holding on to it. What effect has this got on salvaging - will it encourage it as people look for alternatives, or will the supply of cheap materials be decreased?'''

I have always found an increase in the amount of stuff available in a recession. A lot more people turn to DIY, ripping out salvageable stuff that a man such as myself could use. I have seen tons of good gear as Ive been going round London over the last fortnight. It broke my heart to leave it in the skips.

'''Between writing for Brit Chopper magazine and customizing your jeep, you clearly enjoy the open road. What do you look for in a vehicle? Given the chance to have any one ride you wanted, what would you be driving?'''

As far as vehicles, go, the Jeep Wrangler presses all the right buttons for me. It is totally suited to the area I live and though an accursed 4x4 I plan my trips carefully to do as many things on a single journey as possible. I would lay money that I create less CO2 than a lot of eco drivers in "green" vehicles and what I do create I hope is being absorbed by the huge number of maturing trees I planted on my own land. I would like to build a trike for France though the French law is difficult in respect of a custom vehicle. Hopefully there will be a way through the red tape and I can get one under way. I also have an emergency 250 in the barn that so aint as harley I ain't gonna dignify it with a description.


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3 dead, 4 missing after Vietnamese cargo ship sinks in South China Sea

March 15, 2009

A Vietnamese coal transport ship sank in the South China Sea on Friday killing three people on board, reported the Xinhua News Agency.

The ship sank from the Fangcheng Port in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

The Nanhaijiu 196 rescue vessel was dispatched about 8 pm local time, when authorities were notified that the ship may sink. The coal transport ship sank about 9:30pm Friday. There were winds up to 90 kilometers per hour when the ship sank during a gale.

Saturday morning rescue operations were supplemented by a rescue helicopter. There were a total of seven crew members on board. Four are missing, while three bodies have been recovered by the South China Sea Rescue Bureau.