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Psychic octopus
I am going to replace the octopus story in our main leads with a story a day older (the solar aircraft), although I have no problem with odd news or a dead donkeys as one of our leads occasionally. My reasoning: Sorry - nothing personal at all, I just think that the advantages of the solar aircraft as a lead story outweigh its age. --InfantGorilla (talk) 06:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It is not an original Wikinews article, but a PD one from VOA
 * 2) It is odd news for people who are bad at maths: similar stories have been used as fillers by the press for at least 100 years, and are used as examples in popular maths books.
 * Filing this one under "No one cares" -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 06:29, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Dragging it out of the file again for a second:
 * I don't actually care about taking it off the lead, I never really guessed it would be one. It was just a quick piece to ease myself back into writing articles after a long absence, and the solar aircraft (IMO) is far cooler anyway. But
 * It isn't just a VOA article, I simply used that as a starting point. If you compare the two you will see that they are substantially different.
 * One of the changes I made was to include a professor of statistics pointing out that it was complete bollocks (my belief too of course). Btw David Spiegelhalter is a complete legend, always good for debunking bad stats.
 * Ok, I'll pop it back in the file now :-) the wub "?!"  08:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Shame on VOA for not mentioning a debunker. (Especially as the bookie can make money from this octopus, even though they are unrelated.)  Thanks and welcome back to writing. --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Argentina just legalized gay marriaged. Why isn't this headline?
Isn't this worth it to be a headline?

 * Simply because no-one's written the article yet! Wikinews articles are all written by volunteers, and though we do our best to cover as many stories as possible, as quickly as possible, we could always use more help. If you want to have a go yourself, check out Writing an article. the wub "?!"  15:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:MainPageMediaMenu
Turtlestack has been updating Template:MainPageMediaMenu and I just realized it's not actually on the main page, for which the template is intended. Anyone in favor of re-adding the template to the main page? Thoughts, comments anyone? — Mike moral  ♪♫  04:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Bawolff ☺☻ 15:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Tyrol5 (talk) 16:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So which section do we want to bump off? About wikinews? Bawolff ☺☻ 16:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me; that can easily be replaced with a link. Tyrol5 (talk) 20:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I think it'd be fine bumping off the "About" section. — Mike moral  ♪♫  06:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the template really that useful though? Print Edition is more or less dead, and audio WN is intermittent depending on when Turtlestack is available - which means we're going to see out-of-date stuff or "PE is currently not being updated". No strong feelings, but I prefer leaving things as-is. Tempodivalse [talk]  13:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Tennessee Lieutenant Governor suggests that Islam is a 'cult'
"islamic" needs to be capitalised because Islam is a proper noun.

 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|link=|alt=|16px]] Done Thank you for bringing it to our attention. --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks odd
The page looks odd with a lot of space under the plane crash article. Kayau (talk · contribs) 07:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * tried to fix it a little. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The darn page hits thing...
...is down since the wub retired. So it should be removed from the main page. Kayau (talk · contribs) 09:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Has anybody tried contacting the wub? I presume xe would be willing to hand somebody active control of the bot. Δεν δοδγε  τ\c 18:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Danielle
I pulled Tropical Storm Danielle forms in Atlantic Ocean from the 5th lead as it is now out of date, and it also has a serious error. --14:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki +ko
editprotected Please add interwiki  대문 . Thanks. Kwj2772 (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 14:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

New Proposal
Hi all, I have created a new main page proposal that I think eliminates a lot of whitespace currently present and organizes it more. The proposal is here. Please leave feedback on the talkpage, I would love to get this implemented! red  - thunder  .  01:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 indonesia earthquake
Breaking news urgent alert flash just in happing now news update etc Original reporting is needed for this 2010 indonesia earthquake --188.23.68.43 (talk) 15:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Images on front page
There seems to be problems displaying images on the front page, i'm using firefox on linux. Mrchris (talk) 23:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to be something about the servers. Diego Grez return fire 23:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Latest news part
Why is the section showing the news other than the headlines shorter than what is used to be? In my opinion, it looked better the other way.  Nascar 1996   23:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Currently we only list non-archived published articles. Since our article output has fallen, there is less then 20 non-archived published articles. If we include archived articles, the list could be long again. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:09, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, on some of my creations on Wikipeida I like to fill up all the space that can be used. It just looks to empty right there. Thanks, though.  Nascar 1996   23:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Pending Changes??
Um, the main page is showing a pending version from December 24th... Please tell me someone has been around to accept the new version IN THE LAST WEEK...? Ocaasi (talk) 10:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No. We've all been in a drunken stupor since Christmas Eve. Sheesh! Check the page history, this is an error with FlaggedRevs. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Hyphens
Perhaps someone could change all the hyphens in the list of category subjects (Africa - Asia ... and Crime and law - Culture ...) to dashes?  — fetch · comms  02:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What type of dash? em-dash? (—) en-dash (–)? I have no idea which is typographically correct. personally I think • might look good as well (we use bullets elsewhere on the page). For reference, Main_page_portals is relevant page. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's rather pointless, and does not follow any styling guideline. Mind, if someone really feels like doing it there's no guideline *against* it either. It's just silliness. -  Amgine | t 04:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Bullets are fine, as are either type of dash, I think. Amgine, that's true that there is no guideline, but it shouldn't be a hyphen at least.  — fetch · comms  19:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, you can blame me for the hyphens. I remember putting them in there a few years ago when the main page got another overhaul. Back in the Good Ol' DaysTM. I agree bullets or dashes are better. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Any other deckchair rearrangement suggestions? Please, if required, flag for editing the relevant template - that's why those used are listed here. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Point of website?
Wikipedia is like Wikimedia's only popular website, they should just somehow fuse these mini sites into Wikipedia for like an advanced News section or something, because I doubt anyone would prefer this over the Wikipedia News section, which is where I go for News.

 * Excellent question! however, this isn't the place to raise it. I suggest raising that somewhere appropriate on Meta, Wikipedia, or possibly at the Water cooler. This page is for discussion of the Main page. -  Amgine | t 19:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Sister projects
All the links are missing

11:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Pending revision
There is a pending revision of this page. Somewhere, someone needs to review the revision. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 18:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it by sighting an old revision of Template:lead article 1. C628 (talk) 18:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That fixed it. By the way, a sysop needs to review Template:Lead 2.0. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 18:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Diego Grez return fire 19:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

One more time
When I review [ this change] it still shows up as a pending revision on the main page, what could be causing this. I unaccepted my review of it. Maybe someone else does? -- Nascar <font color=" #1234aa">1996  (talk • contribs) 01:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

"Japanese nuclear officials race to avoid disaster as radiation levels in sea rocket"
Shouldn't this contain the File:Wikinews Japan earthquake.png picture? 65.93.12.101 (talk) 10:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments
editprotected The first lines of comments are talking about using MediaWiki:Common.css/Main Page for CSS needs, however that page is locked and empty. This comment needs a refresh, I think. - Xbspiro (talk) 08:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - is it better now? DEN  DODGE  17:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as it refers to the actual css page now. Thank you. - Xbspiro (talk) 09:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Removing interwiki
editprotected Based on the precedent of the removal of the Dutch interwiki, I request the removal of the Hungarian interwiki, as the project to where it is linking to has been recently closed. (See 28342) - Xbspiro (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed, pending someone sighting the edit. --Pi zero (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - sighted. DEN  DODGE  16:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

RSS items pubdate
I wish that RSS items had a pubdate on them. They are dated in the content of the news, but not formally in the XML. GaryGo (talk) 11:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What's the feed you're looking at? There is work implementing new underway. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Try this - that's a link to a new ATOM feed, which I'm pretty sure includes dates. DEN  DODGE  14:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am looking at the RSS feed linked from the WikiNews home page, and the items are not formally dated as of today, http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews. GaryGo (talk) 02:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Why is there nothing on the Geert Wilders trial that ended today?
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Polozooza (talk) 11:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Typo
There is a typo in the blurb about the Former Brazilian president: complictions. Melikamp (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for highlighting this. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

RSS pubDate
I asked about RSS a few weeks ago, and there appears to have been a redesign that wiped out old discussions. In any case, I request that news articles be published to the RSS feed with the "pubDate" element, found in the RSS 2.0 specification. I previously got a response that mentioned Atom, but I am asking for an RSS element. Thanks. GaryGo (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There's an RSS one too. I don't know for certain whether it has pubDate, but I expect it will. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  22:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, it has a pubdate element. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that link. I don't see how to get to that RSS feed from the Wikinews main page, but that's what I was looking for. GaryGo (talk) 01:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DSK
The lovely young writer who described DSK as a rutting chimpanzee says she will sue him for attempted rape, and DSK's French lawyers say they will sue her for defamation. Strauss-Kahn, the news item, seems to have returned. - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 15:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Leads 4 and 5
Please re-add leads 4 and 5. There are recent articles in both.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Mike moral  ♪♫  19:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Also, I boldly decided to add the Winehouse story to lead one. It seems to be the biggest story today and received over 3,000 hits in the last hour.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Without wanting to spark even more drama, when the death of one person by way of their own lifestyle choice is considered a bigger story than the brutal murder of nearly 100 people, you know there's something wrong somewhere. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  10:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Pictures of terrorist on mainpage
I propose to remove those pictures of the norwegian terrorist which were chosen by this terrorist from the main page, best all pages here. --Ergom (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? We have a valid fair use claim, one of the pictures was released for use for any purpose by the copyright holder, and the person is integral to the story. Wikinews is not censored. There are absolutely no grounds in policy whatsoever for the removal of the images from the Main Page, nor any other page on which they are currently used. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  14:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Because you give the terrorist the media platform with the pics he chose for this exact purpose - the pics are by no means neutral. Use some other pics, so does the german wikinews site. --Ergom (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The pictures are not neutral? How so? A non-neutral picture would show him with a halo, or strangling a puppy. It's a portrait. It's neutral. He has no control over our content, but these are high-quality pictures that adequately illustrate the story. We don't take down pictures just because they offend your sensibilities. Is Obama's official portrait not neutral by your criteria because it was made specifically to illustrate him in the media? No. Get over it. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  15:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not just any portrait. It is the portrait the killer himself wanted to be in mass media. It does not offend my sensibilities, in fact. I argue that these are not high-quality pictures just because of the way the show the person itself. Compare with http://www.welt.de/politik/article13506380/Breivik-auf-der-Fahrt-zum-Gericht.html?pg=2 No picture on the main page is better than the actual pictures. I would prefer less pictures altogether, high quality pictures that actually tell something clear, true and important about the world are quite rare to any given topic. --Ergom (talk) 16:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And we can't use that pic as it's not freely licensed. There are now pictures on Commons that are of the aftermath and memorial of the shooting and bombing, but they weren't available at the time of publication. —Tom Morris (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that the linked pic is not freely licensed. I did not suggest to use it. I wanted you to compare.
 * B. used the killing as a marketing strategy as he himself puts it. The pictures of himself used in his "manifest" are a part of this marketing strategy presenting him in a hero-look-a-like way. He also mentions (to the readers of his manifest) the use Wikipedia and the internet in general as a part of the strategy of spreading his thoughts. So, he, B. is fooling you, wikinews by giving you his pictures presenting him in the light he wants to be presented it. It is quite strange by any standards that there are two articles on the main page that each shows a picture of this guy - his pictures for just mass media use. (And as for the comparison with Obama: B., unlike Obama, attained attention by mass-murdering and nothing else.)
 * In a nutshell: Just don't use the pictures to help him to reach his goals. --Ergom (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that, as I understand our conventions, the images displayed on the main page leads don't have to be the same ones used by the articles referred to.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikinews is not censored. The comments you're raising about this Ergom are spurious. If you want a photo of the new story subject with horns sprouting out his head, please find a freely licensed one online and stop wasting the community's time. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Your comment is totally unfair and incorrect. It is an open question whether to use any picture of the guy in order to report the incident is adaequate or not. I think, not. If you use a picture, it is an open question whether these particular pictures are adaequate to report the incident or not. Since it is not necessary to use these pictures these arguments should lead to the conclusion rather to not use them. Understand the argument, comment on that or otherwise please just keep your unhelpful comments which are totally beside the point ("horns sprouting") to the question at hand. Thanks. --07:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The photo was all that was available at the time. It was the one used when published. This is Wikinews, we don't continually revise content like Wikipedia. Besides, we keep using any politician's PR headshot even when they decide to do positively evil things. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All that was available at the time. There is no need to use any picture (high quality newspapers use less pictures). By using these pictures he chose for the exact purpose (therefore the picture is not neutral whatsoever) you are doing propaganda, even though you are unaware of it. If it is your guideline to do that: fair enough. I think this conflicts with http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Neutral_point_of_view. Think about it. (And, no, Neutral point of View is not only about text.) --Ergom (talk) 12:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You still haven't given us any valid reason based on our current policy. If you don't like the pictures, don't look at them - that would mean either not visiting Wikinews or installing a browser extension that lets you block specific images. Don't try and get us to remove the images based on a personal objection grounded in a misunderstanding of policy. Using a portrait that portrays a person - however despicable they may be - in a neutral light, no matter who took the picture, is not propaganda. So stop scaremongering. It is clear that you don't have anything resembling consensus for this, and I sincerely doubt you ever will, so I suggest you drop it before someone gets annoyed .  DEN  DODGE  George Watson  17:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dendodge, your whole post would have been much stronger if you'd left off the last phrase, "so I suggest you drop it before someone gets annoyed" (maybe the whole last sentence, but definitely that phrase). Evidently someone already is annoyed :-).   Seriously, your points about policy and such are valid, but that last bit sounded a tad threatening, which serves no useful purpose.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was thinking of other people, but, yeah, it came across the wrong way. I didn't want to sound threatening. Struck. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  17:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You still haven't given us any valid reason based on our current policy. You can argue that the picture is neutral and if it is it is valid to use it. However, I did argue that the picture is not neutral.
 * Don't try and get us to remove the images based on a personal objection grounded in a misunderstanding of policy. Is it a misunderstanding that there are non-neutral pictures? Neutrality means that both sides can accept the the representation of facts. Whatever both sides are in this case: One can rationally doubt whether both sides can accept this representation.
 * There is no need for pictures. Information, news is not about pictures. High quality is not only about lightning and resolution. Even if you have grown up this way, many pictures often distort and distract the information they should rather illustrate and clarify. To pick a really good picture is a really difficult job. In featured articles you don't just pick any picture to illustrate, you take the best. Wikinews Main Page is, or at least should be, like a featured article. You take only the best pictures. There is reason to doubt that these pictures belong to the category of best pictures - since they don't illustrate the given fact and they are extremely biased since the party that is charged by mass-murder glorifies himself on these pictures which were made, at least chosen for the particular purpose. So, no illustrating of the relevant information and biased, therefore non-neutral. That are the facts, and if you don't view them as facts one can at least very rationally argue this way. And if one can at least the Main Page should not show these particular pictures.
 * Your argument seems to be: We have this story. We need a picture. The best (that is: highest resolution best lighting) pictures are the given ones. We always take any given picture and don't apply NPOV for that, not even in difficult cases and not even for the high-traffic-Main Page (If you always drive too fast, by doing that, you don't suddenly start to follow some given rule that driving too fast is allowed.) Therefore we take those. I can follow this chain of thought. But I doubt that this is a high standard editorial work. --Ergom (talk) 07:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Other than the name of the photographer, what is not neutral about the picture? It's a photograph of a person's face. Nothing else. Look at any other news website - they all have pictures. Pictures attract people's attention, and the Main Page would be very plain and boring without them. We have pictures. If you don't like it, try this.  DEN  DODGE  George Watson  11:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Your response is not really helpful and beside the point. I said what is non-neutral about the picture and that it is not just a(ny) photograph of a person's face. Wikinews is Wikinews, not just any news website. Your recommendation is also beside the point since it is not about me not liking pictures but about this picture and the general fact that quality and neutrality in pictures is really a (wiki(news)) problem. Just accept the fact or argument and deal with it rather than give dubios advice about browser choice. --Ergom (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a physicist. I don't accept things as fact until I can be convinced by evidence. All we have so far is you saying it's non-neutral because of who took it, without further explanation. If Newton had said "Apples fall because of gravity" and left it at that, his ideas would not have been accepted. We're going to need more, I'm afraid. I still see no convincing argument. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  13:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As I wrote above: Then applies, this picture is disputed (you can read the comments in the german wikipedia for this dispute and take the fact that the german wikipedia does not show pictures of B. as evidence for non-neutrality http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschl%C3%A4ge_in_Norwegen_2011). there is no need to use this particular picture. It is better to use no picture than a disputed picture in order to follow NPOV. To the physicist: What type of evidence would be acceptable for non-neutrality?And: Is a picture neutral just because you say so? --Ergom (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I want a reasoned argument. We do not accept "I say so", nor "Other projects do it". A picture is considered neutral if community consensus says so, and so far you are the only voice to the contrary. Either gather consensus, or give up on your crusade. The water cooler is a better place for consensus-gathering. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  14:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't say this is not a reasoned argument just because you don't like some premise or the conclusion.
 * A reasoned argument: If p then q. p. Therefore: q. p must obiously be in this case empirical data, i.e. opinion. Valid opinion would be by people who deal with NPOV. The two german wikipedia articles lacking these pictures shows you this opinion very well exists (you can read the discussion too.) That is: If there is a representative group people/opinion who views this picture as gloryfing B. then it is not neutral. There is this representative group of people/opinion. Therefore this picture is not neutral. This you can call: "reasonable doubt". And if reasonable doubt applies you go for the option of least harm. This actually is an expression of NPOV. Besides: NPOV is one of fundamental rules here. Reasonable doubt about NPOV issues certainly overrules any editorial issues like we have no other (high resolution) picture.
 * Think about this case (for now and the future) rather than just discrediting my position by just repeating no argument naming my rationally elaborated position a crusade or just telling me to discuss it somewhere else. --Ergom (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a futile argument; the image is not going to be removed. It was used by Wikinews, and by countless other news sources. The actual text of the article carries more weight in letting people draw their conclusions about this individual. Now, please stop trying to apply Wikipedia standards, and policy, to a news site. They are most inappropriate. By applying your logic to any article on George W. Bush, and action in Iraq being possible war crimes, we'd be forbidden from using his official portrait when talking about such. So, stop trying to impose your own personal opinion, arguing that "your PoV" happens to be "NPoV", and let the Wikinews community get on with their work. This discussion does not belong here (per the great big notice at the top), and you're encouraging others who've not got several years experience here to snipe (thankfully, Mattisse has the wisdom not to argue either way on the neutrality of an image). --Brian McNeil / talk 16:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The picture of the gunman was a studio portrait commissioned by the gunman in preparation for the publicity generated by this event. Therefore, it purposely shows him in a good light, as that was his intent. Mattisse (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't shout and try to respect other peoples views as well as arguments.
 * It was used by ... countless other news sources. They don't have the rule NPOV like [he prevailing Wikinews understanding is that the neutral point of view is not a point of view at all Articles without bias describe debates fairly rather than advocating any side of the debate. Since all articles are edited by people, this is difficult, as people are inherently biased. ... he prevailing Wikinews understanding is that the neutral point of view is not a point of view at all] If you don't like this principle ...
 * please stop trying to apply Wikipedia standards, and policy, to a news site. I did not apply Wikipedia standards. I applied NPOV. I used the decision in the wikipedia just as evidence. You don't have to follow wikipedia rules or guidelines in general.
 * My POV is my POV, not NPOV. I argue that this picture is not neutral (see above).
 * You argue that G.W.B. is an analogy. I doubt that. First, G.W.B. picture was relevant for news before he "commited" the news relevant Iraq war crimes. In this case the very purpose is to be used after that killings in order to glorify B. That is not the only difference but a very important one. A picture taken for this purpose can, by definition, hardly be neutral. G.W.B. pictures were not taken for this purpose (even though they might not be neutral and that might lead to other decision but that is some other debate.)
 * The most important reason why pictures are used in Wikinews stories is to help convey a clearer or more complete message for the reader. All images must be relevant to the story in which they are included. In what way do people get a clearer or more complete message by looking at a picture taken and chosen for the purpose to glorify a mass-murderer?
 * The bottom line is this: There is this story. You want pictures. But you have got only these pictures - which are inherently biased. And you choose rather to distort the fundamental principles (NPOV) than to choose not to use the pictures. That you might be used to distort (severeal years experience) does not change the fact that you do. I suggest that you don't take my comments as a attack than rather as a refreshing line of thought - what is the greater value, just to have any picture in the article or to follow the fundamental principles? --Ergom (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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Copyright violation
Your article - "HG Aindra Prabhu attains the spiritual realm" - was a copy and paste from another website. Unfortunately, Wikinews can't accept that - everything you submit to our site has to be your own work, and therefore that article has been deleted. You may wish to consider working on the story and resubmitting it when it is your original work. Please don't let this put you off the site, and continue contributing! C628 (talk) 19:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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It helps to alert an individual where to go to avoid and how to find out where these sources are coming from. Anyone can disband someone else from the use of a specific site however people come in from other directions. Close security alerts to the general public should also be carefully considered. In addition band any other site that promotes harmful content.


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Lady Gaga warns fans of 'hateful' protests during concerts

July 17, 2010

Singer and song writer has warned her fans attending concerts about "hateful" protests that are set to take place during a concert she will be having tonight in, Missouri. The Westboro Baptist Church will be protesting outside the venue during her concert. Gaga warned of these protests on her Twitter page.

"At the risk of drawing attention to a hateful organization, I would like to make my little monster fan [sic] aware of a protest being held outside the Monsterball in St.Louis tonight. Although we have had protesters before, as well as fundamentalists at the show this group of protesters are hate criminals and preach using lude [sic] and violent language and imagery that I wish I [could] protect you all from."

The Church, based in Topeka, Kansas and not affiliated with any Baptist organization, had planned to protest at Gaga's prior concerts held in St. Louis. The most recent protest was scheduled in January and was later canceled prior to the concert. According to Shirley Phelps-Roper, a spokesperson for the church, "[God] hates homosexuals and God hates fags [and] God hates whore Gaga," which is why the group plans a protest at tonight's concert.

"So when she gets up there and tries to hook God with that thing He calls an abomination; if you love what God hates, then God hates you," said Phelps-Roper in January. According to the church's website, the protest begins at 7:10 p.m. and lasts until 8:00 p.m.. "Now what type of wicked hypocrites would we be if we did not warn this little false prophetess and all of her over-indulged sycophants that they are each one, individually heading straight to hell in a gender-confused, self-loathing, tone-deaf hand basket and that a gift from the God they hate? So, we made a couple of songs just for this event," said their website.

Gaga tells her fans to not listen to the group. "My request to all little monsters and public authority is to pay these hate criminals no mind. Do not interact with them, or try to fight. Do not respond to any of their provocation. Don't waste your words, or feelings, no matter what you hear or see. You are more fortunate and blessed than they are, and in your heart just pray for them. Be inspired to ignore their ignorant message, and feel gratitude in your heart that you are not burdened or addicted to hate, as they are."

The Church plans two other protests at her concerts in, Oklahoma on July 20 and , Missouri on August 3.


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Just some errors- firstly, I do not believe that WBC is "protecting outside the venue." I think they're protesting, so that could use attention. Secondly, the author says that Gaga tells her "fan" things- in this usage it should be fans as there are probably more than one. Nicely put together otherwise.


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Australian rules football: Traralgon defeat Warragul in round 14 of 2010 Gippsland Football League season

July 19, 2010

went within a game and percentage of ladder leader with a 118 point victory over  in their round 14 Gippsland Football League match. However, 24 hours later, Maffra defeated Sale by 44 points.

The Gippsland Football League, officially the Gippsland League, is the only major Australian rules football competition in the region, according to the Victorian.

Warragul kicked both of its goals in the first half, still conceivably in the contest at that point thanks to Traralgon's inaccurate seven goals and ten behinds. The hosts kicked five goals in the third quarter to extend their lead to ten goals.

At the end of the day, Traralgon won 20-13 (136) to Warragul's 2-6 (18).

played in the other match played on Saturday. On Sunday, Maffra hosted in Maffra, and  hosted  in Morwell to complete the round.


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1QG 	1QB 	2QG 	2QB  	3QG 	3QB  	4QG 	4QB  	PTS Warragul 	1 	1 	2 	1 	2 	4 	2 	6 	18 Traralgon 	3 	5 	7 	10 	12 	14 	20 	16 	136 --RockerballAustralia c 01:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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The Moe Vs Wonthaggi match will be played this Sunday July 18th 2010 at Morwell Recreation Reserve, Travers Street Morwell. (Morwell FNC home ground).

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Maffra d Sale
Maffra 17-13 d Sale 10-11 --RockerballAustralia c 10:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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Looks like he's not the PM anymore! 67.142.172.29 (talk) 02:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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Review of revision 1061830 [Passed]
Curious as to why, in the picture's caption, Jane Goldman is described as Jonathan Ross's "current wife". The used of the word "current" implies that Mr. Ross has been married before (he hasn't), or that their marriage is approaching an end (there's nothing in the article to suggest such is the case). In the interests of clarity, and out of respect for a marriage that's already lasted twenty-two years, I suggest that the caption be corrected thus: "Jonathan Ross (right) with his wife Jane Goldman (left)." (Though as there are only two people clearly visible in the picture, it wouldn't be necessary to point out that Ms. Goldman is the one on the left, given that Mr. Ross's location is already specified...) MikeCarroll (talk) 00:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅; I changed it as you suggested. Cheers, C628 (talk) 02:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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Thread:Comments:Canada announces $9 billion plan to purchase 65 F-35 fighters/Just... Why?/reply (2)

In reality it's much more of a downgrade, than an upgrade! The F-35 is a substandard piece of $hit!


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I'm really not happy, Canada has no need for these planes. We used to be know for our Peace Keeping. What happened to that face of Canada? The Conservatives made us a "military nation". I am happy for a lot of the things the conservatives have done. But this is NOT one of those things.


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Respect for Gaga increasing. She doesn't stupidly parrot RIAA propaganda, in a matter of fact denounces the bad deals that labels give artists. Now she tells people to ignore WBC. Win after win.


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Oil spewing from crack in seafloor of Gulf of Mexico was fifty feet from Deepwater Horizon well

July 19, 2010

After an investigation, Wikinews has learned that oil spewing from a rupture in the seafloor of the Gulf of Mexico on June 13 was 50 to 60 feet from the Deepwater Horizon leak.

A nearly four and a half minute video posted on YouTube on June 13 was from the Viking Poseidon ROV 1. It shows oil and methane leaking from the seafloor at around 2:48 a.m. on June 13. The ROV monitors the leak for a minute and even gets covered in a plume of oil and sand before it moved on to the next spot. Smaller eruptions were seen as the ROV traveled, making the leak locations vary from 50 to 60 feet from the damaged well.

Until now, there was no way to determine the location of the ROVs in relation to the previously leaking Deepwater Horizon well. Alexander Higgins, an independent computer programmer, developed the 'Gulf Oil Spill ROV Distance Calculator.' Using the coordinates for the location of the Deepwater Horizon, and the location of the Viking Poseidon on June 13, Wikinews was able to determine that the first rupture and leak was approximately 50.45 feet from the leaking well or "21.56 feet [n]orth and 45.61 feet [w]est" of the Deepwater leak point.

Higgins told Wikinews how he created the calculator, and says it is "very accurate," but that the tool would "not give you accurate measurements over a large distance, e.g. from the well head to ."

"This tool was created using java script that uses basic Pythagorean theorem ($$A^2 + B^2 = C^2$$) to calculate the distance between two points. The distance is simply $$\sqrt{(N_1 - N_2)^2 + (E_1 - E_2)^2 }$$. ROV coordinates match the location within a few feet when looking at the well because obviously the ROV can not be over the exact center because that is where the BOP is," said Higgins.

BP, who owned and operated the Deepwater Horizon, has denied that any oil or methane gas is leaking from the sea floor. On July 16, Kent Wells, the senior vice president of BP, said on their official Twitter page that "4 ROVs using sonar scanning [are] looking for anomalies in seabed floor. No indications any oil or gas escaping." Seismic tests were conducted on July 16; Admiral Thad Allen of the said that "no anomalies" were found, but also that the tests were "not comprehensive."

On Sunday, Wikinews contacted BP, who authenticated the video, and asked if any ROVs were sent back to the crack and leak location on June 13 for further investigation. According to their office in, England, they "sent ROVs to investigate and monitor that and no further signs of oil or gas were found." They also stated that they "have continued to monitor" and "have also carried out seismic surveys. Nothing found to give concern." Wikinews also asked if they could confirm the location of the leak and crack, but no response was given.

However, on July 18, the Associated Press reported that there was "seepage" coming from the area at the bottom of the Deepwater well head. For the past two days, ROV cameras showed bubbles coming from the base of well. BP said it would test the bubbles to determine what they are and as of Sunday, COO of BP Doug Suttles says the bubbles are not methane, but further tests are being conducted. "If you can imagine, it is not an easy operation to collect those bubbles so that they can be tested to see what their make-up is."

Since the June 13 video surfaced, other videos have been posted to YouTube allegedly showing some of the ROVs being tossed around by large amounts of oil seeping through the seafloor. One video showed an alleged eruption spraying oil and debris around the BOA DEEP C 2 ROV before it was tossed from side to side. It then immediately retreated to the surface. Some of the cracks on ocean floors, where oil has leaked from, have occurred naturally. One such oil spill in California in 2005 was the result of a naturally occurring crack in the floor of the. Some of those cracks can cause oil to leak through at a rate as high as 5,000 gallons a day, with most of the oil not even reaching the water's surface. In the Gulf of Mexico, oil leaks through natural cracks at a rate several times less than leaked from the Deepwater well.

"The Deepwater Horizon site releases 3 to 12 times the oil per day compared to that released by natural seeps across the entire Gulf of Mexico. By May 30, the Deepwater Horizon site had released between 468,000 and 741,000 barrels of oil, compared to 60,000 to 150,000 barrels from natural seeps across the entire Gulf of Mexico over the same 39 day period," said Cutler Cleveland, a professor at the university's  Department of Geography and Environment.

The Deepwater Horizon oil spill started on April 20 after an explosion on the rig. Efforts to put out the fire failed and the rig subsequently sank to the bottom of the Gulf. On April 22, an oil slick appeared on the surface of the Gulf. BP capped the leaking well on July 13 which effectively stopped oil from leaking into the Gulf. The company has been running a pressure integrity test on the 150,000 pound cap for 48 hours. Earlier on July 17, they announced the test would continue for another day. BP hopes for the well's pressure to rise to or above 7,500 PSI. As of Saturday morning the well's pressure was just above 6,700 PSI. BP fears anything lower than the expected PSI could mean a leak in the cap or elsewhere, such as oil or methane seeping up from the seafloor.

"We are feeling more comfortable we have integrity. We will keep monitoring and make the decisions as we go forward. The longer the test goes the more confidence we have in it," said Allen.


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I contacted Alexander Higgins for a statement on how he made the calculator and got the East, North coordinates of the Deepwater Horizon. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also sent a press email to BPs press office. If I get a response it will likely be on Monday if I am lucky. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 06:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Got a reply from BP...it's not much but I forwarded it through scoop. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also forwarded Mr. Higgins response through scoop. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Been watching
In the reference to the BOA DEEP C 2, I was watching the live feed and can vouch for the ROV being tossed around. Not sure if that counts, but I figured I would make a mention. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Interview?
Any chance of including one or two direct quotes from Mr Higgins? It would make the measurement seem more relevant to the reader. --InfantGorilla (talk) 16:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I emailed him some questions last night. He has yet to respond. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Inaccurate claims in story.
There is no evidence oil was seeping from the sea floor at that time. All that is shown in the video you're referring to is silt thrown up from the sea bed. 124.150.58.29 (talk)

"rate of up to 150,000 gallons" is not a rate
Near the end, there is the phrase "a rate of up to 150,000 gallons". Gallons per what? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.90.165.35 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 22 July 2010

 * It seems to be referring to the 150,000 gallons in the following paragraph, which is over a period of 39 days. --Pi zero (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've suggested alternative phrasing. --Pi zero (talk) 14:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


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Your contribution Andrea "Lady Phenomena" Stephens appears to be an encyclopedia/biography entry. Wikinews is a news website, so I am afraid your article is likely to be deleted shortly. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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...I'm always surprised she has them. Also, why are the protesting outside her concerts? Nobody going is going to care, but I suppose they want publicity. They could tag-team Miley Cyrus concerts too, I'm sure the WBC doesn't like her either.


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I find it amazing too. How long does one have to be an internationally known terrorist with assets in the USA (or anywhere else) before they are frozen? Apparently many years.

How does that fit together with the intrusive banking regulations, particularly those used in international banking, that are always sold to the public as a means to "fight terrorism"? My opinion: not very well.


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User:Tyrol5/About

Greetings! My home project is Wikipedia, but I've been on Wikinews since July 2010; my activity has tapered a bit since then (but I do try to pop in nevertheless). My primary journalistic interests are space exploration and politics, but I can be found editing in other topics as well. I became a reviewer in September 2010 and an administrator in June 2011. Feel free to stop by my talk page if there's something I can assist you with.

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 * 1) Progress spacecraft fails to dock with International Space Station — July 2, 2010
 * 2) Overdue supply ship docks with International Space Station — July 5, 2010
 * 3) BP reports progress in oil spill cleanup — July 7, 2010
 * 4) Solar-powered plane completes 26-hour flight — July 8, 2010
 * 5) Rosetta spacecraft passes Lutetia asteroid — July 12, 2010
 * 6) Six H1N1 cases appear in the Philippines — July 13, 2010 (Created by User:Yellow; I completely rewrote it and added sources.)
 * 7) BP: New cap on Gulf of Mexico oil well in place — July 15, 2010
 * 8) West Virginia governor names Carte Goodwin as new Senator — July 16, 2010
 * 9) Astronomers discover largest star on record — July 21, 2010
 * 10) Technical troubles hold up International Space Station repairs — August 9, 2010
 * 11) Scientists conclude that the universe may expand forever — August 20, 2010
 * 12) Scientists say the moon is slowly shrinking — August 22, 2010 (Created by User:Fetchcomms; content initially added by me.)
 * 13) Astronomers discover large exo-solar system — August 25, 2010
 * 14) Jupiter at its brightest in 47 years — September 19, 2010
 * 15) NASA's new space capsule to be ready for test flights by 2013 — October 1, 2010
 * 16) China launches Chang'e 2 lunar probe — October 3, 2010
 * 17) Remaining Expedition 25 crew launch to space — October 9, 2010
 * 18) Brazilian astronomers propose new model of our galaxy — October 15, 2010
 * 19) Russian cargo ship launches to International Space Station — October 28, 2010
 * 20) Final launch of Space Shuttle Discovery delayed another day — October 30, 2010
 * 21) Final launch of Space Shuttle Discovery delayed until at least Thursday — November 3, 2010
 * 22) SpaceX Dragon spacecraft certified by US Federal Aviation Administration — November 23, 2010
 * 23) SpaceX Dragon spacecraft launches for the first time — December 10, 2010
 * 24) Moon water possibly originated from comets, data shows — January 11, 2011
 * 25) NASA astronaut Tim Kopra, crew member of upcoming mission, sustains injury — January 19, 2011
 * 26) Injured NASA astronaut replaced on crew of upcoming mission — January 21, 2011
 * 27) Space Shuttle Discovery launches on final mission — February 25, 2011 (Collaboration with User:JoshuaZ)
 * 28) Space Shuttle Discovery arrives at International Space Station — February 26, 2011
 * 29) Space Shuttle Discovery lands for final time — March 10, 2011
 * 30) Expedition 26 crew returns to Earth safely — March 17, 2011
 * 31) First images received from orbit around Mercury — March 30, 2011
 * 32) Anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's spaceflight marks fifty years of human space travel — April 13, 2011
 * 33) Space Shuttle Endeavour launches for final time — May 18, 2011
 * 34) Expedition 27 crew successfully returns to Earth — May 25, 2011
 * 35) Mars Opportunity rover passes distance milestone — June 4, 2011
 * 36) Space Shuttle Endeavour enters history books after nineteen years following penultimate landing of program — June 4, 2011 (Collaboration with User:Rayboy8)
 * 37) Debris narrowly misses International Space Station — June 29, 2011
 * 38) U.S. space agency NASA sues ex-astronaut — July 1, 2011
 * 39) End of an era: Space Shuttle Atlantis launches on final mission in program — July 8, 2011
 * 40) U.S. House rejects Senate version of payroll tax cut — December 21, 2011
 * 41) U.S. Congress reaches deal on payroll tax cut extension — December 23, 2011
 * 42) Gingrich, Perry fail to qualify for Virginia Republican presidential primary ballot — December 24, 2011
 * 43) Meteorites in Morocco found to be from Mars — January 18, 2012
 * 44) Rick Perry withdraws from U.S. presidential race, endorses Gingrich — January 19, 2012
 * 45) Herman Cain endorses Newt Gingrich for US president — January 29, 2012
 * 46) Maine Senator Olympia Snowe announces she won't seek reelection — February 29, 2012
 * 47) Wikinews Shorts: April 14, 2012 — April 14, 2012
 * 48) Rick Santorum endorses Mitt Romney for US president — May 9, 2012
 * 49) Expedition 31 crew members arrive at International Space Station — May 18, 2012
 * 50) U.S. Supreme Court upholds health care mandate — June 28, 2012
 * 51) Mitt Romney officially nominated at Republican National Convention — August 29, 2012
 * 52) Obama, Romney spar in first 2012 U.S. presidential debate — October 5, 2012
 * 53) 113th United States Congress convenes — January 4, 2013
 * 54) Soyuz TMA-08M launches to International Space Station, arrives in record time — March 29, 2013
 * 55) Former Pennsylvania Governor George Leader dies aged 95 — May 10, 2013
 * 56) Soyuz TMA-12M arrives at International Space Station after delay — March 28, 2014
 * 57) Tom Wolf inaugurated as Pennsylvania Governor — January 21, 2015
 * 58) US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies, aged 79 — February 14, 2016
 * 59) Former NASA astronaut Eugene Cernan dies aged 82 — January 18, 2017 (Created by User:Agastya Chandrakant; I added content)
 * 60) Manned Soyuz space mission aborts during launch — October 12, 2018
 * 61) SpaceX successfully launches its first crewed spaceflight — May 31, 2020 (Collaboration with User:AZOperator)

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43 dead in Iraqi bomb blast

July 19, 2010A suicide bomber killed 43 people in Iraq Sunday, injuring an estimated 40 more.

The attack occurred southwest of Baghdad and targeted members of a government-backed militia,, also known as the Sahwa, who were waiting to collect their pay. Early reports say the attacks killed at least three soldiers and injured an additional thirteen, while three accountants died and four more were wounded. It's not yet clear who the remaining casualties are.

A survivor of the bombing said that "[t]here were more than 85 people lined up in three lines at the main gate of the military base to receive salaries when a person approached us. When one of the soldiers tried to stop him, he blew himself up."

An Iraqi military official said that "[t]he suicide bomber blew himself up in the biggest group of Sahwa members. We generally let them enter the base in groups of 10 for them to get their salaries."

A second suicide bombing took place in Western Iraq, when an attacker fired upon Sahwa militants in before blowing himself up, killing three people, with six more injured.

Credit for the attacks has not yet been claimed, but al-Qaeda is considered the probable culprit.

The Sahwa movement is a Sunni militia group that split from al-Qaeda in 2006, and with US support have been one of the groups fighting al-Qaeda. In recent months, members of the militia have said that they have come under attack from other militant groups, and support from the Iraqi government has been reduced.

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One dead after bus and bicycle crash in Hampshire, England

July 19, 2010

A person has died after being involved in a collision between a bus and a bicycle in Hampshire in the south of England, United Kingdom. The woman, who has not been publicly identified, was cycling in the seaside resort of when a number 700  single-decker bus, which was travelling from  to Southsea, collided with her bicycle at approximately 1315  (1215 ) on Saturday. A helicopter transported the woman to Southampton General Hospital, where she died at approximately 1630 BST (1530 UTC) on the same day.

None of the occupants of the bus were injured. The 53-year-old bus driver has now been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. is requesting any witnesses to the accident to contact them. PC Phil Hunt also mentioned: "We are also trying to trace the passengers, who left the scene before we could speak to them."

The road traffic accident occurred in an area where Portsmouth City Council had been intending to place a new cycle route, but the plans to do so were cancelled last week. The plans, which would have cost 250,000 (382,373, 296,481, 441,126), were said to have been cancelled due to financial difficulties.

Portsmouth Cycle Forum vice chair Jon Spencer has stated: "Sadly, we've had to wait less than a week for a brutal illustration of why we need this cycle route." The vice chair of the local cycling group continued: "The road at Clarence Pier is very narrow, very crowded by parked cars and very busy. It is the most popular part of the seafront but at the moment it is a no-go area for cyclists. The city council are obviously happy for this to remain the case."

John Holland, the chair of the Forum, wrote on PompeyBUG, a local cycling Internet forum: "Portsmouth Cycle Forum is very sad to learn of the death in a road accident of a woman cyclist at Clarence Esplanade on Saturday 17 July. Our thoughts lie with her family and friends to whom send our deepest condolences. The cyclist was involved in collision with a bus in the vicinity of Pier Road and Clarence Esplanade, close to Clarence Pier.

"This terrible accident is yet another reminder that large vehicles, busy traffic and cyclists are not a happy mix. Whilst it will be some time before the details are made public, we urge the Portsmouth City Council to press ahead with making this section of our seafront much safer and calmer for all. Almost exactly one year ago, a cyclist was seriously injured Clarence Esplanade when a car reversed blindly from a parking bay into the road.

"Portsmouth City Council is on the verge of postponing Phase 2 of the Southsea Seafront Cycle Route. Had this been in place yesterday then this awful incident might have been avoided. We urge councillors to think again. A safe and segregated cycle route can be built – one which doesn’t loose any car parking, one which doesn’t stop people looking out to sea from their cars, one which doesn’t involve cycling on the promenade. We will be pushing hard for this – we don’t want any more injuries and fatalities on our seafront roads."


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The fact of the matter is that nothing can get across the country faster than a jet. In times of emergencies, these jets are quite useful for showing military force. We should also remember that we are a part of NORAD, and as such have a responsibility to our NA countries. In addition to this, the CF-18s have less than 10 years left in their service life. As such, Canada needs to start upgrading our military. Not just with jets though. Our Navy is in need of Joint Support Ships to replace the Protecteur-class Auxiliary Replenishment Ships. We also need Amphibious Assault Ships to boost our force-projection ability. While I am a big-L Liberal, I think this is a step in the right direction and we need more of it.


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Singapore police arrest death penalty book author

July 20, 2010

Singapore police arrested British author and journalist Alan Shadrake one day after the launch of his book about of the.

Shadrake, 75, was arrested on Sunday morning at a hotel in Singapore and taken into custody by police on charges of criminal defamation, in response to a complaint lodged by the city-state's (MDA) over the contents of his new book, Once a Jolly Hangman: Singapore Justice in the Dock. Separately, the Attorney-General served Shadrake with an application for an order of committal for contempt of court, accusing him of "cast[ing] doubt on the impartiality, integrity, and independence" of Singapore's courts through his book.

Shadrake's latest book discusses alleged "double standards" in the country's application of the death penalty, and contains interviews with local human rights activists, lawyers, and former police officers, including retired executioner ; Singh later claimed that he had been "tricked" into the interview. In earlier media comments, Shadrake stated that he expected "trouble" but no concrete action from authorities over his book, lest they draw even more attention to its claims. Retailers took his book off shelves after inquiries by the MDA; a spokesman for the MDA stated that the book was not banned, but suggested that booksellers "seek legal advice to ensure that the books they sell do not contravene Singapore laws".

Shadrake has written for a variety of newspapers, including ' of London as well as the ' of neighbouring Malaysia. His previous book, The Yellow Pimpernels, told the tale of various from East Germany over the Berlin Wall. If convicted, he faces a two-year imprisonment and a fine.


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I just posted Singapore death penalty writer bailed. Please consider helping. --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Many dead in Indian train crash

July 19, 2010

A train crash in India at around 0200 local time Monday (2030 on Sunday) has killed at least 40 people and injured at least another 100. The crash occurred in the town of, which is located in eastern India. Initial reports say that one passenger train collided with another that was waiting at a station, but the exact cause is not known.

The lowest estimate of the death toll is around 40 dead, and Indian media has reported that there are as many as 100 dead and 150 people injured. The incident has prompted a major rescue operation, and senior government officials are en route to the site of the incident.

The region's Superintendent of Police, Humayun Kabir, said that "[c]asualties have taken place. I cannot give any number now. Rescue work has begun." A local railroad official said that "[t]he people who have lost their lives were travelling in unreserved coaches. We do not have their names and any vital information about them to inform their relatives." The state-run Indian railway system has a poor safety record, with several hundred incidents a year taking place, and this crash is the third major one in the past decade.

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Turkish protesters march against Internet censorship

July 20, 2010

About 2,000 protestors marched against censorship last Saturday in Istanbul in Turkey,  reported.

Protesters gathered at central Istanbul’s and marched down to Istiklal Avenue, chanting slogans against Transport and Communications Minister, Internet censorship, and especially against "Law No 5651".

Many Internet groups,, and Internet platforms participated in the protest, reported. , zaytung.com, bobiler.org, the Young Civilians, Penguen magazine, “Sansüre Sansür” (Censor Censorship) and “Sansüre Karşı Ortak Platform” (Joint Platform against Censorship) were among the participants.

More than 5,000 Internet sites including, YouTube and some of Google services are currently banned in Turkey. The bans are issued by prosecutors if the site "is deemed liable to incite suicide, paedophilia, drug abuse, obscenity or prostitution, or violate a law forbidding any attacks on ."

reported that the (OSCE) recently wrote to the Turkish authorities to urge them once again to restore access to banned Internet sites.


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I think the article as it currently stands calls for some deeper research before putting it up for review.
 * 1) Have you contacted Mr Holland or Mr Spencer to confirm the authenticity of their posts (this might be a good opportunity to interview one of them)?
 * 2) Consider mentioning or contacting a cycling group that oppose cycle paths

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 * I only write articles from the sources I use. There is no original reporting in it. I don't intend to increase the size of this article any more than I have done so because I believe it is good enough for Wikinews as it is. -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 09:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


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ROV detects leaks in Deepwater Horizon well cap

July 19, 2010

As many as four leaks have been detected in the Deepwater Horizon well cap in the Gulf of Mexico, according to live footage shot by one of BP's ROVs. The leaks were detected early this morning, just after 4:00.

The HOS SUPER H ROV 1 made the discovery while performing an "integrity survey" of the well and well cap. It recorded what appears to be a thin metal pipe lining the outside of the oil cap. Four small leaks of what appear to oil bubbles were detected during this survey. The first appears just after the elbow connecting the pipe to the two green pipes. The second can be seen through the hole of the large metal ring. The third is seen just to the right of the metal ring. It is not yet known what the pipe carries or what it connects to. It is also not yet clear if all leaks are from the pipe, or leaking from the well. BP confirmed the leaks and told Wikinews in a phone call to their Houston, Texas press office, there is a "small leak" releasing hydrates consisting of gases and oil. They are "studying the issue" and are prepared to fix the pipe if it becomes an issue. Live camera feeds show hydrocarbons building up as the oil and gas leak from the pipe.

On July 18, ROV cameras showed bubbles coming from the base of well. BP said it would test the bubbles to determine what they are and as of Sunday, COO of BP Doug Suttles says the bubbles are not methane, but further tests are being conducted. "If you can imagine, it is not an easy operation to collect those bubbles so that they can be tested to see what their make-up is."

Yesterday an unnamed United States official told the Associated Press that there was "seepage" coming from the area at the bottom of the Deepwater well head. The official said the seepage and methane gas were discovered near the Deepwater well head, but did not specify an exact location. Admiral Thad Allen, a former admiral who is overseeing the spill efforts for the US government said yesterday in a letter to BP that ROVs "detected seep a distance from the well and undetermined anomalies at the well head." So far there is no word what those substances are, but BP says the bubbles detected on July 18 are not of a hydrocarbon nature.

"When seeps are detected, you are directed to marshal resources, quickly investigate, and report findings to the government in no more than four hours," said Allen in his letter to BP. During a press conference today, Allen confirmed seepage about 3km from the well point. He could not specify whether the seep was related to the capping of the well or if it is naturally occurring.

On June 13 the Viking Poseidon ROV (Remote Operated Vehicle) 1 recorded oil and methane seeping from the seafloor at around 2:48 a.m.. The ROV monitors the seep for a minute and even gets covered in a plume of oil and sand before it moved on to the next spot. Smaller eruptions were seen as the ROV traveled. After an investigation, Wikinews determined that the seepage was located just over 50 feet from the Deepwater leak point. BP has denied that any oil or methane gas is leaking from the sea floor. On July 16, Kent Wells, the senior vice president of the company, said on their official Twitter page that "4 ROVs using sonar scanning [are] looking for anomalies in seabed floor. No indications any oil or gas escaping."

BP issued a press release earlier this morning, but did not state information regarding any leaks or seepage from the well. BP did say that the well cap "measured at approximately 6,792 pounds per square inch and continues to rise slowly."

The Deepwater Horizon oil spill started on April 20 after an explosion on the rig. Efforts to put out the fire failed and the rig subsequently sank to the bottom of the Gulf. On April 22, an oil slick appeared on the surface of the Gulf. BP capped the leaking well on July 13 which effectively stopped oil from leaking into the Gulf. The company has been running a pressure integrity test on the 150,000 pound cap since it stopped the flow of oil. BP hopes for the well's pressure to rise to or above 7,500 PSI. As of Saturday morning the well's pressure was just above 6,700 PSI. BP fears anything lower than the expected PSI could mean a leak in the cap or elsewhere, such as oil or methane seeping up from the seafloor.


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I emailed the BP press office again, and if they are as nice to me as they were last time, hopefully I will get a response. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * The YouTube video I linked to in the article was uploaded by me because I was watching the feed when this happened. It is best viewed in full screen. Bubbles or oil are seen at the left of this pipe just after the elbow. The second can be seen just through the hole of the large metal ring. The third is the most visible and appears to be the worst of them and is located in plain sight just to the right of the large metal ring. This was live when I saw it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * At the time of this posting Live feeds from Hos – ROV 1 is the current live feed of the leaks in question. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * just watched press conference on TV...not a lot to go on though. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Phone call
My scanner won't scan for whatever reason so below are the notes I took when I talk to the BP rep:

 * BP call notes
 * Texas PR office
 * (281) 368-4463
 * "small leak"
 * metal flange
 * hydrates being released = gases + oil
 * pipe is made of stainless steel
 * "studying the issue"
 * will do something if becomes a problem

— Mike moral  ♪♫  21:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Nice article
Well done to all involved, makes a good read :). Sean Heron (talk) 11:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


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