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Talk:Lance Armstrong disputes French doping results

This whole sport business is a shame.

If Armstrong has taken drugs, the truth have to be revealed, no matter what ammount of money is spent for him, and this is not this stupid anti-french theories or all this political pression that will help the truth to be revealed...

Thruth is truth and it's a shame that some financial and nationalist interests may deceive the truth!

Sport as a business is a shame for the true sport spirit: it will soon be a normal assumption to claim that practicing high level sport leads to taking drugs and seriously damage your health -- up to a cancer??

Modern sport is no longer an exemple for our kids, and I hope my children will not taken a sport professional as their idol.

I agree with the contributor above. Palmeiro's finger wagging denial(accompanied by Bush's "I believe Palmeiro") keeps popping into my head with this ongoing bicycle soap opera. It's all about money and cheating and that's all its about (professional sports). Paulrevere2005 13:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Good story but I can't find in the sources where Lance actually said they faked it. Will someone please provide a reference for that on this page? Paulrevere2005 13:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Not sure, but if you can't find a source, I know he said it on CNN's Larry King Live a few nights ago (Thurs. night, I believe). But remember, the drug does have a legitimate use: it is used for many cancer patients.  --Mrmiscellanious 14:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Lance Armstrong's urine manipulation charges against the French testers and testing system are in the source 'CNN Larry King Live "Lance Armstrong interview about L'Equipe doping claims." CNN cable TV, August 25, 2005 ' http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/25/lkl.01.html  LANCE ARMSTRONG to LARRY KING and BOB COSTAS: ''"What was manipulated was the urine. What was put in the urine? Who was there when -- I don't think the papers were manipulated." ''"that's the whole point, is whoever collects such a critical specimen has to be reliable, and nobody would have trusted our person, just the same way we don't trust theirs." ''"Do you think I'm going to trust some guy in a French lab to open my samples and say they're positive and announce that to the world and not give me the chance to defend myself?" ''"a guy in a French -- in a Parisian laboratory opens up your sample, you know, Jean-Francis so and so, and he tests it. Nobody's there to observe. No protocol was followed. And then you get a phone call from a newspaper that says we found you to be positive six times for EPO." "Who opened the samples? What protocol was followed? Nothing. It was all thrown out the door. We cannot build a system of faith and trust in an anti-doping fight if we don't have faith in it. There's no way. If I'm an athlete, if I'm active today, which I'm not, thank goodness, I don't trust that system." Milomedes 15:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok; Thank you very much. I will change the headline back. Paulrevere2005 16:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


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portals categories
hi moverton, there is indeed wide agreement now that categories should remain as full listings separate from the portal, have a look at the 'category portals' proposal discussion and feel free to chip in to develop it! -ClareWhite/Cmwhite

Month categories
Howdy! It looks like you're doing something interesting as concerns categories for months -- have you seen pages such as 2005/April where articles are digested by month and date? --Chiacomo (talk) 00:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have seen them, and intended to eventually categorize them, but have just been busy with other things. Moverton 04:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry -- I don't really understand what you're doing. You recently created Category:Science and technology topics while we already have Category:Science and technology. What is your ultimate goal in creating many new categories? --Chiacomo (talk) 04:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The reason for doing that is to making navigating the categories easier. The category system does not list all the subcategories on the first page when there are more than 200 articles.  So to see all the subcategories a user would have to page through the multiple pages to look for subcategories.  By putting the subcategories into a separate holding category, it makes navigating the category structure much easier.  This situation would be rare with Wikipedia, but on Wikinews, as the number of articles grows over future years, it will occur often. Moverton 05:07, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

deletion request
Please be advised I've listed a category you've worked on for deletion - Category:Science and technology topics. please visit Deletion requests to voice your opinion on the matter. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Australian MPs demand Islamic headscarf ban in schools

Yeah; the cops can wear masks but not the people. Imo, "fascism" is our primary enemy right now; but most of us don't even know it. It's becoming easier to imagine how it happened in Germany; it wouldn't take much more for it to happen again in our lifetime; maybe it's already begun? Ever noticed what the US secret Service calls itself? SS ! Paulrevere2005 14:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually legally preventing the cops from hiding their faces is a nice idea. Nyarlathotep 17:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

 * That won't happen in our police state. Paulrevere2005 03:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You'd be surprised what people can accomplish when the mood strikes them. What it would take is convincing lots of people in the main stream left, who don't support all the protests, that cops shouldn't be able to hide their faces.  You also get the police equipment manufacturers on board, as it means the police need to buy all new see through helmets, and build a cool looking demo helmets.  It would not hurt to have a patent on some nice piece of helmet technology too, like a better cusioning system, or better lighter bullet proof plexy glass.. or transperent sun blocking stuff.  One highly interested commercial loby and some political noise could make it happen.  Nyarlathotep 11:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I've never thought about that, Paul... In our tiny city of 2500 there is a law in the municipal code prohibiting "citizens over the age of 10 to go masked in the streets of the city" -- $50 fine for violating the ordinance (or jail time, depending on the city judge). --Chiacomo (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

MPs -> MHRs
Since these 2 are both in the lower house (House of Representatives), whouldn't "MHRs" be more appropriate in title? Thanx 69.142.2.68 07:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


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Mandatory evacuation declared in New Orleans, US

August 28, 2005

Mandatory evacuation
With Hurricane Katrina likely to strike the city of New Orleans, its mayor, along with the governor of Louisiana, has officially enforced a mandatory evacuation for the city. All citizens, with the exception of a few individuals essential to the operation of a handful of organizations (such as hotels and the media), should immediately leave the city and head for higher ground. The mayor has stated that rising waters from the Category 5 storm are likely to overtake the city's system of levees, which are designed to prevent flooding in the city. Later predictions by NOAA downgraded the hurricane to a strong Category 4 at the time of landfall.

Maximum sustained winds are reported at 175 mph (78 m/s). Of great concern to New Orleans officials is the predicted coastal storm surge of 18 to 22 feet above normal tide levels. Destruction from flooding is expected since the city is situated below sea level.

Traffic within the city is completely gridlocked. The governor has advised citizens heading west to take Highway 90 instead of I-10, which is gridlocked. If they cannot evacuate heading north, they should head eastward first, where traffic is lighter.

The mayor has also opened the Superdome as a shelter for those with special medical needs or are otherwise unable to evacuate. However, he said it is likely to lose power and plumbing as the storm moves in. At noon, it becomes a shelter of "last resort." It will have few resources, though, and people should bring their own food and other necessary items. He also said that RTA buses will be picking up people at the following shelters designated as pickup points.
 * Martin Luther King Elementary.
 * William Franz Elementary.
 * Warren Easton High School.
 * Israel Augustine School.
 * McMain Magnet School.
 * Sylvanie Williams Elementary School.
 * Rabouin School.
 * Arthur Mondy in Algiers.
 * O. Perry Walker High School.
 * Abramson High School.
 * Sara T. Reed School

For maps of routes, visit www.lsp.org

For state evacuation information, call 1.800.469.4828

"Devastating damage" expected
A bulletin issued by NOAA on 28 August 2005, 1101 AM CDT warns that the New Orleans area will experience "Devastating Damage".

"The majority of industrial buildings will become non-functional. Partial to complete wall and roof failure is expected."

"All wood framed low rising apartment buildings will be destroyed."

"Water shortages will make human suffering incredible by modern standards."

The same bulletin also warns that the entire area will remain uninhabitable for "weeks...or longer" and that power outages will last for weeks.


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 * 2005 Pacific hurricane season
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This could be a problem. The big easy has a large (70%)black population with many living in sub-standard houses(the politically correct term for shacks). And, as is typical of the way the poor are treated in America, the warnings and help arrived too little and too late. Paulrevere2005 16:49, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

President Bush declared Louisiana a Federal Disaster Area yesterday. That will help coordination. It's a little to early to hand out bottled water, but I expect to see him down there.--KBK 21:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

If anyone can stop this hurricane, it's the President. Please don't criticize him when our nation is at war on TWO fronts - terrorists and the weather.

 * When you develop a weather-changing machine, be sure to invite me to the prototype party. Because as far as I know, no man nor man-made device can stop a hurricane.  --Mrmiscellanious 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You obviously are unaware of the powers over hurricanes of Pat Robertson *roll eyes* --24.129.198.129 20:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I usually don't respond to sarcasm with seriousness, but... if you take out a wedge of the eyewall and some of the outward regions with condensation-causing particles (the opposite of cloud seeding), you could theoretically disrupt the storm's stability. Good luck dropping dust into a hurricane, though... -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 11:18, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Still waiting for our President to show up (leaders should lead maybe? this situation needs to have someone in control giving orders). The mayor said there is no coordination and you can see that on your tv with the broken levees completely without even any attempts to plug the breeches. The mayor says that noone can find a helicopter to use to drop bags of gravel or a barge to use to plug the hole. No one can get an aircraft carrier or cruise boat in to help the people get out. The water is still rising; 15 feet throughout the city now.Ya just don't get it. These people are poor AND black...not the Palm Beach crowd...and this is not a "battleground" state. Our whitehouse couldn't care less....and re; comment above; maybe if we weren't starting so many wars; we wouldn't be in so many wars.[]. Paulrevere2005 11:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Nice image
I just wanted to say to whoever made the image - Nice image. Bawolff 16:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Indeed 68.218.220.123 20:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

+cat
Category:New Orleans Disaster needs to be added here. 65.184.68.155 05:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 12:50, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

typo
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"RTA busses" should be "RTA buses"

 * ✅ (though I gather the two-s spelling isn't actually considered "wrong", just not preferred) --Pi zero (talk) 12:50, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/August 28, 2005

Audio Wikinews transcript – 2005 08 28 – 1700 UTC
The time is 1700 hours UTC on Sunday 28th August 2005, and this is Audio Wikinews: News Briefs.

Mandatory evacuation declared in New Orleans, US With Hurricane Katrina likely to strike the city of New Orleans, its mayor, along with the governor of Louisiana, has officially enforced a mandatory evacuation for the city. All citizens, with the exception of a few individuals essential to the operation of a handful of organizations (such as hotels, the media, etc...), should immediately leave the city and head for higher ground.

For state evacuation information, call United States telephone number 1.800.469.4828

Australian MPs demand Islamic headscarf ban in schools Australian Members of Parliament Bronwyn Bishop and Sophie Panopoulos have called for a ban on the wearing of Islamic headscarves in Australian schools, saying it is an "iconic act of defiance." They are concerned about Muslim women failing to reveal their faces in photographic identification, and claim that this could be a security risk.

Australian Muslims have angrily disagreed, saying they should be allowed to comply with their religious doctrine.

Two arrests made in Zotob worm attack Turkish and Moroccan authorities arrested two suspects who are believed to be the creators of the Zotob worm that took down CNN’s computer network and crippled other computers worldwide earlier this month.

The FBI traced an electronic trail that led to two men from the Middle East and North Africa. An 18-year old Moroccan, Farid Essebar, is believed to have written the worm in return for a payment from a 21-year old Turk Atilla Ekici. Both were arrested Friday and await prosecution in their respective countries.

Closing Comments
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Friendly food-for-thought

 * Friendly food-for-thought. The following is the reference to Genesis mentioned above:
 * And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
 * And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
 * Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
 * And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
 * Not only does this not make a direct statement that woman is the only companion for man, it can just as easily be used as justification for public nudity. Once again, just food for thought. ;)  -- NGerda 05:41, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Without sin in the world, there would be nothing shameful of public nudity. Genesis 3:9-11 -
 * 9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

 * 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

 * 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
 * Public nudity wouldn't be an issue if sin didn't fall into the world. And there would be no such meaning of the word "nudity". --Mrmiscellanious 14:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

sorry but i can't stand this shit: religion, stuff and wikinews
quote from your 'belives': "I believe that Wikinews is a great concept, however I am disgusted in the lack of neutral point of view articles. While we are the only news source trying to make a difference in this field, it seems as though our progress is lacking."  are we??? sorry but this is complete nonsense. every standard bourgouise news source claims to have a neutral point of view, wich is impossible because no human being will ever have something like a neutral point of view. so why think of such a thing at all?! why not addmit that our news are expressed the way the author feels about it? what's bad about that anyway? if you can't accept this, maybe you didn't get the basic idea of a wiki yet?

furthermore you are trying to tell everybody that you, with your fundamentalist and extremly conservative views, want to find something like a neutral point of view!?!? hey, in which world are you living? don't you see this huge contradiction? everything you do, say, feel and express will be influenced by your beliefs and views, so please don't try telling me that you are the middle of the universe and owner of the neutral point of view.

i don't care about your political views, but please respect the fact that other people will want to live their lifes the way they like to. what the fuck do you care about my sexual habits? what the fuck do you mind if i, living thousands of kilometers away from your place, sleep with a person of my own gender and enjoy it? just mind your own buisness (and body!). if you want to live a life dictated by some old horrible book, go on and waste it! i will not stop you, just you too don't bother about other peoples views.

here's a movie that i would like you to watch: REMOVED LINK TO COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL -MrM ||| ''oh come on! there was a link to a torrent-file, nothing else ok? there's no copyright on that... anyway, find it in the history :)'' -me

Yes, a torrent that contains copyrighted material is illegal to link here. And no, you will not find it in the histroy - I have deleted that. --Mrmiscellanious 22:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

that's it. sorry but people like you are a real danger to free and open projects like wikinews. don't abuse your autority!

Can I canvass your opinions?
Hi Mr. Misc - As you've invited people to ask your opinion on various things, I have some questions! Some of these might seem a bit off-the-wall but I like off-the-wall discussions!

 * 1. Are deliberate attacks on civilians (as distinct from military attacks which unintentionally kill or injure civilians) ever justified?

 * 2. Some people believe that the US was right to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima because it prevented the need for a seaborne invasion in which thousands of GIs would have died. Do you agree?

 * 3. Is state-sanctioned torture ever justified?

 * 4. If you could kill one innocent person to save ten, should you do it?

 * 5. If you could kill one innocent person to save ten million, should you do it?

 * 6. In 1946, a group of holocaust survivors, calling themselves "Dahm Y’Israel Nokeam", allegedly plotted to poison the water supply in Berlin and a number of other cities, as retribution for the atrocities of the Nazi regime ,. If they had succeeded, would the attack have been justified?

 * 7. If "Dahm Y'Israel Nokeam" had carried out such an attack against Germany in 1942, would it have been justified?

 * 8. If Al Qaeda set off a nuclear device on US territory, should the US nuke Mecca?

 * 9. Is it ever right to assassinate a tyrant?

 * 10. Is there such a thing as international law, in any meaningful sense?

212.139.54.23 15:41, 9 October 2005 (UTC) The above was from me, by the way! User:Rcameronw 08:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed with following:

"sorry but this is complete nonsense. every standard bourgouise news source claims to have a neutral point of view, wich is impossible because no human being will ever have something like a neutral point of view. so why think of such a thing at all?! why not addmit that our news are expressed the way the author feels about it? what's bad about that anyway? if you can't accept this, maybe you didn't get the basic idea of a wiki yet?

furthermore you are trying to tell everybody that you, with your fundamentalist and extremly conservative views, want to find something like a neutral point of view!?!? hey, in which world are you living? don't you see this huge contradiction? everything you do, say, feel and express will be influenced by your beliefs and views, so please don't try telling me that you are the middle of the universe and owner of the neutral point of view."

For some reason, it is common to believe that whenever an article expresses truths you don't like, the simple thinker reasons the article musn't be neutral. If it were, there'd be no disagreement in ideas. Well, there is NO NEUTRAL. Mrmiscellanious holds strong conservative leanings. If he reads anything that disagrees with this, he believes he's reading a biased article. In other words, only strong conservative leanings deserve the title "nuetral". This very idea that you know what constitutes neutral is a joke. There is only artistic lens, and writing that comes from this. So, seeing Mrmiscellanious's views, it is clear he'll be expressing a decidedly conservatist view in the expression of his writing. Should he choose to omit facts not favorable to conservative views, he'll simply omit them, because they aren't "neutral" through his conservatist viewpoint. There is no neutral in this, only bias. Give me someone who can reason all sides of the issue fairly, without filtering only parts favorable to the same issue, then we'll talk. If Mrmiscellanious cannot rationalize the non-conservative pro-side of abortion, or any of the other contraversial issues through a non-conservative pro stance, then Mrmiscellanious does not merit the position.

Keeping us heathens in line
I don't think I agree with any of your personal views, but I'm glad you're here. When a single mindset dominates, the site runs a high risk of denigrating into another indymedia. Thanks for adding a little diversity. --69.12.132.54 09:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Terrorism created by Governments to further their plans
It is fact that the US Government was involved in 9-11. All you need to do is think who had the most to gain? Bush was able to illegally invade Iraq for their oil and the government implemented the unconstitutional patriot act.

Wake up America. our Government maybe spreading Democracy world wide and ridding countries of corrupt Governments, while our Democracy is being destroyed by the most corrupt Government in our countries history.

Who will save us from our Dictator and his war machine?

 * I have a serious problem with your implication here. You need to be very clear when you say "fact" without anything to back it up. I am certainly not pro-Bush, and certainly not pro-War. However, those are some awfully big shoes you just put on. ironiridis 05:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not interested in opinions. I come to wiki for facts: who, what, when, where.

this humbug is a waste of resources/bandwidth.

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Service cutoff extended for unresponsive U.S. VoIP users

August 28, 2005 A Tuesday service cutoff deadline in the United States for tens of thousands of VoIP customers who failed to reply to a service limitation notification from their provider was extended by 30 days, to September 28. In an FCC mandate, VoIP providers such as Time Warner Cable, Vonage and Verizon, were to send notice to customers asking them acknowledge the possible limitations of E911 access and to keep a record of their replies.

Specifically, the FCC mandated that VoIP providers must advise subscribers of the circumstances under which E911 service may not be available, and distribute stickers or other appropriate labels with a warning that E911 service may be limited or not available, and instruct the subscriber to place them on or near the equipment used in conjunction with the service. Lastly, the provider is to obtain and keep a record of affirmative acknowledgement by every subscriber, both new and existing.

A significant number of VoIP customers did not reply to the warning letter. This led the Voice on the Net Coalition, with House Representative Bart Gordon (D-TN) and Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) and other lawmakers to write FCC Chairman Kevin Martin with their concerns. For some customers, it was feared that if the VoIP service was ended, they would have no phone service.

The E911 system allows emergency operators to link a caller's physical location with the phone used to dial for help. Conventional phones have had that capability for years, but not all VoIP providers have the technology for such a system in place. Cell phone companies are also struggling to upgrade their products for E911 capability.

VoIP use reported by the TeleGeography Research Group showed strong customer growth during the second quarter of this year. Subscribers increased nearly 40 percent over the first quarter, from roughly 1.9 million to 2.7 million.

Users of VoIP seem far from scared off by concerns over E911 connectivity despite findings that indicate the majority are interested in it as a primary phone line replacement. "To get [VoIP telephony], you’ve got to have a broadband connection, that means you’re a reasonably affluent consumer, you’ve got a cell phone, you’ve got some sort of backup plan in place," said Stephan Beckert, an analyst for TeleGeography. "There was a group that said they would not get it because of the problems with E911. But there was a surprisingly large core group that really didn’t worry about it."


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Not all of the Press screwed with GTA
Taken from USA Today: ''Sean Bersell of the Video Software Dealers Association says that video gamemakers often are compelled to "lock away" content that they feel will give the game an undesired rating. "But it's a dangerous practice. If they put it on the game, someone is going to figure out how to find it."''

Here

Just curious
What's this about? -- NGerda 20:31, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

NPOV fighting links
Thanks for those, I've changed my vote. As I noted in my vote, I should've asked you for evidence before voting. We live and learn... Dan100 (Talk) 22:09, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Ross, congratulations — the Wikinews community approved your request for adminship. Good luck with fighting vandals and other cleanup tasks— and thank you for volunteering for the job! -- IlyaHaykinson 13:33, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * When I saw Ilya's edit summary I thought you'd had a baby or something ;-) Dan100 (Talk) 14:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Rfd's
When deleting pages listed on Deletion_requests be sure to archive it, i did it for you this time. ;)--Ryan524 17:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe I did archive it. Though I put it under July 25, the deletion date, rather than July 19. After your archival, we have two copies of the RfD under two different dates. If July 19 is correct, please delete July 25 -- Ross Koepke Talk 18:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * ah, lol, didin't see it in rc, lol, and besides i belive you archive it under the same date its on, not the date its deleted, at least thats how i've done it. /me goes to ask Eloquence on his talk page, lol.--Ryan524 19:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

source template
I did that many times earlier nobody following it. Hence I added the new template...
 * -Bijee 05:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

LOL
lol. . See you in IRC. -- NGerda 18:33, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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First suicide attack since Israeli pullout occurs in Beersheba

August 28, 2005 A Palestinian man carrying explosives blew himself up during rush hour in Beersheba. This is the first act of suicidal bombing since the Israel pull out of the 25 Jewish settlements on the Gaza Strip.

Twelve hours after the blast, two groups jointly claimed responsibility for the attack. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades linked to Fatah and Al-Quds Brigades of Islamic Jihad identified the bomber as Alaa Zaakik, 25, from Beit Omar. Beit Omar is situated between Bethlehem and Hebron in the West Bank.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, has condemned the bombing. The bombing critically wounded two security guards at the Beersheba bus station and hurt another 46 people.

Shortly after the attack, the Israeli cabinet voted to allow Egypt to patrol the international border with Gaza with 750 armed men. A final vote, which is expected to pass in a special Israeli Parliament session on Wednesday, will allow Israel to pull all its soldiers out of Gaza in the next month.

An Israeli official, Raanan Gissin, aide to prime minister Ariel Sharon, commented on the bombing. He described the attack as "a wake-up call that brings us back to the reality of terrorism after the euphoria of the Gaza disengagement." He later said, "As long as the Palestinians don't take decisive action against terrorism this will continue, and Abbas's strategy of making political deals with terrorist organizations will come back to haunt him." Mr. Gissin concluded his statement by saying. "They smell that he's weak, and they'll keep pressing."


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Hawaii, US beats Curacao in Little League World Series Championship

August 28, 2005

The 2005 edition of the Little League World Series ended in thrilling fashion as Ewa Beach, Hawaii overcame a three run deficit in the last inning and eventually beat defending champion Curacao 7-6 in extra innings of the international championship game in front of a crowd of over 25,000. It is the first Little League World Series title for an American team since Kentucky beat Japan in 2002.

Going into the sixth and final inning, the team from Ewa Beach was trailing 6-3 to the team from Willemstad, Curacao. However, a couple of key hits and timely bunts closed the gap, and Ewa Beach tied the game after Curacao was unable to complete a potential game-ending double play. Curacao was able to get out of the inning as the Little League championship game was sent into extra innings for the first time in over 30 years. After shutting down Curacao in the top of the seventh, Hawaii came up in the bottom of the seventh with a chance to complete the comeback. Hawaii's Michael Memea would finish what his teammates started by hitting a line drive solo home run with no one out to give Hawaii its first Little League championship.

Curacao was trying to become the first back-to-back champions in Little League since Long Beach, California did it in 1992 and 1993.


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First fifty-star United States flag up for sale

August 29, 2005 The designer of the current 50-star United States flag, Robert G. Heft, has put his original creation up for sale on the popular auction website eBay.

Heft originally made the flag for a school project in 1958, in which he received a "B minus" as his grade. When he submitted the design for national consideration in 1959, he beat out over 100,000 other applicants. His design was adopted as the new flag in 1960 and his grade was promptly changed to an "A".

The flag has been flown over all state capitol buildings and over 80 United States embassies. Sixty-three year-old Heft explained that medical bills, as well as tuition costs for his relatives, are becoming an economic burden.

The opening bid on the flag starts at $250,000 USD, and the auction lasts until September 28th.

Heft has also designed a 51-star US flag, which is currently in possession of Representative Clarence Miller, a Republican from Ohio.


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User talk:64.28.48.179

Welcome
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Bush attendance at Australia CEO conference a hoax

August 29, 2005

News agency AAP reported last Thursday that George H. W. Bush would be attending the Forbes Global CEO Conference, which starts this Tuesday. These reports have now been revealed to be a hoax. They were based on a media release and associated website, and reported in Wikinews, as well as a number of print publications in Australia. The president and publisher of Forbes Asia, William Adamopoulos, has confirmed that Mr Bush will not be attending.

"Mr Bush, Sr. is definitely not attending the conference," he said.

Mr Adamopoulos said that he is considering pursuing legal action against the originators of the hoax. According to reports, the media release and website used the Forbes name.

"While we would not wish to oppose free speech in any way - for free speech is one of the things that unites both Australia and the United States - we are investigating what legal action could be open to us," he said.

Two Australian broadsheets fell for the hoax put out by the 30A protest network. The network sent out a press release purporting to be from the organisers of the Annual Forbes Conference, claiming that former US President George H. W. Bush was to attend the conference. Bruce Knobloch of the 30A network indicated that the purpose of the hoax was to show how shallow the media coverage of the conference and the protest is.

The hoax was originally reported by AAP, who checked the claim with a telephone number provided on the press release before publishing it. The hoax was then picked up by several internet news sites, including this one. AAP quickly published a retraction, however that didn't stop the hoax making its way into the paper versions of two of Australia's most respected broadsheets, The Sydney Morning Herald, and The Australian.

The Forbes conference will take place at the Sydney Opera House, and will be attended by hundreds of CEOs from around the world, as well as Australian Prime Minister John Howard, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, and Steve Forbes himself.

There is a protest planned to coincide with the conference. Protest organisers have called for people to assemble at Customs Square at Circular Quay at 5pm on Tuesday 30 August. The protest was originally planned for the Opera House forecourt, however police have declared this area to be an exclusion zone.


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User talk:142.154.211.141

Welcome
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Oil in Alberta spill may be carcinogenic
Your concerns about the investigation are certainly valid, in my opinion. Generally, however, additions to articles more than a few days old are non-productive as no one may ever see them. I've protected the article in accord with our archiving policy, but I would encourage you to create a new article about the investigation. Please review the information above for content and source guides. Again, please let me know if I can assist you or answer any questions. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. First time here. I don't think they are non-productive, because the way I found myself here was after doing a search on google re: CN Rail and CAw. I was doing this becuase of the ongoing investigation, and was getting some info for an email I sent to Peter Warren at. I think people will read that article for a while, especially if the investigation goes some where. I'm thinking of creating an account... but I saw some of the guidlines and sometimes, I don't think I can give both sides of a story equal expression. Take care, Rip

Okay I have made an account with name Rip. I will post a little article, but it will be short.

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Sydney, protesters reach agreement with police

August 29, 2005

Organisers of the 30A Protest, planned to coincide with this weeks Forbes Global CEO Conference, have reached an agreement with police about how the protest should proceed. The 30A Network has received permission to use the Customs Square area of Circular Quay.

"After weeks of discussion and stalling, police have now given assurances that, while the Opera House forecourt will remain an exclusion zone between the CEOs and the real world, the 30A carnival protest will be facilitated at Customs Square," said the 30A Network website.

The plans for the mass gathering were thrown into turmoil over the last few weeks when police refused permission for the protest to occur near the Opera House, and declared the entire Opera House forecourt to be off-limits for the duration of the conference.

The protest organisers have said that they are hoping for a "carnival atmosphere", and look forward to working peacefully with the police. "Assurances have been given that truck, stage, music and speeches - not to mention drumming, dancing and protest - will not be prevented from going ahead as planned in the square directly outside Customs House at Circular Quay," the website said.

"We want a safe community action showing that people in Sydney oppose Howard¹s plan for a US-style wages system, the war in Iraq and his kow-towing to global corporate chiefs. We pose no threat to the Opera House or the millionaire delegates, or to other users of east Circular Quay," said 30A spokesman Bruce Knobloch.

The conference will take place at the Sydney Opera House, and will be attended by hundreds of CEOs from around the world, as well as Australian Prime Minister John Howard, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, and Steve Forbes himself.

Protest organisers have called for people to assemble at Customs Square at Circular Quay at 5pm on Tuesday 30 August.


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User talk:Rip~enwikinews

Welcome
Rip, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Chiacomo (talk) 05:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
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 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Oil spill developments
Thanks for creating an account! The article you create can be linked to the old article and the old article can be linked to the one you create. You needn't present both sides of story, really, so long as you present the facts fairly and without a point of view. If you wish to include information from an email with an official, this will probably constitute original reporting -- you may want to review the guidelines there. I, for one, would welcome another article on this topic. If you do write an article, you may wish to leave it in a developing state to allow other editors to review it before publishing -- especially if you feel you can't maintain a neutral point of view. Perhaps other editors can help you with that. Again, please let me know if I can assist you in any way. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks that's good advice. I might just start an article and see what I can do. I have access to email from CN internals, and this might be a good place to show people a few things about the workings of CN. I'll see if I can figure it out. Take care

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CN Health & Safety Plan planned to be cancelled

August 29, 2005

On July 18, 2005 CN Rail notified the CAW that they intend to cancel the CN-CAW previously Negotiated Health & Safety Plan. The CAW will be going to arbitration this fall to address the issue. The CAW has asked that employees notify their Health and Safety Rep about any safety concerns at the work place.

One terminal has lost 5-6 full-time positions. CN Rail used to have part-time positions filled as well, but at this time there are no part-time employees to cover work if a full-time employee is absent. Overtime is necessary to keep the trains running on time. Intermodal traffic goes up, but staff goes down. CN Rail expects the trains to go out on time, and in a safe condition, but staff is overworked, because there are not enough of them. In fact, one worker noticed that most of the rail cars that contained 40 foot overseas containers did not have their loading guides in place. Trains are not allowed to go out without these guides placed into the cars (the guides stop the loads from swaying from side to side in the cars), important for safety with double stacked containers, but it seems that in this case the lack of employees forced the train to leave without them.

Derailments, Death, and Toxins
Some recent derailments have come to the attention of the media and politicians.

On August 3rd 2005 there was a derailment in Wabamun Lake Alberta that spilled toxins into the lake. 2 days later there was a derailment in Cheakamus River near Squamish BC. Both derailments spilled hazardous materials into the water. Many are saying that CN took too long to notify people of the toxic spills.

The Conductor on each train carries with him the shipping manifest with him and has access to that information at all times. Almost any CN terminal that has a clerk working at it with access to the CN Intranet can get this information within minutes.

CTV news has said that this is the 5th derailment for CN this month.


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Sydney prepares for Forbes Conference and 30A protest

August 30, 2005

Sydney is today preparing for the Forbes Global CEO Conference and 30A Protest. A major police operation is occurring in the vicinity of the Sydney Opera House, where the conference is scheduled to occur. The Opera House forecourt has been closed to the public, and barricades have been set up down Maquarie St and across the Botanic Gardens. Police checkpoints have been set up on Maquarie St and the Circular Quay walk to control access to the Opera House. Police dogs are patrolling the area.

At 8am this morning Customs Square, where the 30A protest is planning to assemble, was as normal for a Tuesday, with no indication of preparations by activists. The police have 1,000 officers attending, and have said that they are preparing for 10,000 protestors.

Sharron Burrows, leader of the ACTU, has criticised the conference, saying that it celebrates corporate greed at the expense of workers.

"As the global economy grows we should have cause for celebration for the advancement that this should deliver for workers and their families all over the world, but the reality is that corporate greed is driving profit share at the expense of wages, safe workplaces, conditions and entitlements for workers," she said.

Police crackdown
Mr Collins said that police will respond promptly to any trouble. He has also stated that schoolchildren who attended the protest will not be immune.

"We will arrest people regardless of age in regard to if they are [unlawful] in their protest," he said.

"I make no apology for the fact that if people are breaking the law and are disrupting the conference, we will deal with it, we will arrest people and deal with them appropriately," he added.

Acting Police Commissioner accuses activist groups of 'training to disrupt'
New South Wales Acting Police Commissioner, Terry Collins, on Monday accused activist groups of training their members to cause disruptions during protests. He was speaking in reference to the protests planned to coincide this week with the Forbes Global CEO Conference at the Sydney Opera House.

"Activist groups by their very nature are actually trained to go about to disrupt and certainly undermine any attempts by police or any other security forces to actually deal with protest groups," Mr Collins said.

"I make no apology for the fact that, if people are breaking the law and are disrupting the conference, we will deal with it and we will arrest people," he added.

A spokesman for the 30A Network, Bruce Knobloch, has labelled the claims as ridiculous.

"The assistant commissioner has been very pig headed," he said.

"The only training I know about is something called non-violent direct action. This is exactly what it says: non-violent," he added.

Mr Knoblock says that the 30A network has not attempted to hide its plans, and has made every attempt to work with the police.

"The 30A network has no secrets, we have been very open about our intentions: to have a carnival protest. It's amazing the degree of paranoia going on at the heads of the NSW Police Force. We are a bunch of community activists and concerned citizens who have a right to protest against the war profiteers and free-market freaks," he said.

The comment by the Acting Police Commissioner seem to be in contrast to previous statements from the 30A Network, who said in a press release last week that they are hoping for a peaceful, fun protest.

"We want a safe community action showing that people in Sydney oppose Howard¹s plan for a US-style wages system, the war in Iraq and his kow-towing to global corporate chiefs. We pose no threat to the Opera House or the millionaire delegates, or to other users of east Circular Quay," the press release said. The Herald Sun, a Melbourne newspaper, is reporting that "Radical protesters from Melbourne will send their most 'hard-core' activists to Sydney to protest outside a meeting of the world's top business leaders." The paper is reporting that "leftists" are unable to guarantee that they will obey police exclusion zones.

Socialist Party national organiser Anthony Main said that protestors would not provoke violence, however he suggested that the police may act violently.

"Given the new era of global terrorism and so forth, we wouldn't be surprised if they (police) flexed their muscles," he said.

The 30A Network is a loose association of peace and global justice groups and trade unions. The protest hopes to draw attention to a wide variety of issues, including war, corporate greed, and neoliberalism.

"The protest is against free-market madness. The conference attendees are people who believe that the free-market can solve all of our problems, e.g privatisation, including things such as water. One of the conference attendees works for a private water company," Mr Knobloch said.


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Article name
The name was long, however "Australian Police Commissioner" is innaccurate. - Borofkin 09:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed "New South Wales" to "NSW", however I fear that Dan won't like it. :-). It is my opinion that if you don't know what "NSW" stands for, then you are unlikely to be interested in the article. - Borofkin 09:39, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You have to include the name of the country, many people have no clue where "NSW" is. I don't think the name of the state or province is critical to the title, so that could be left out if title is too long.  StuRat 09:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Aren't you being a little bit selective? Why haven't you renamed these articles:

 * Hawaii beats Curacao in Little League World Series Championship -> Hawaii, United States beats Curacao in Little League World Series Championship
 * Mandatory Evacuation declared in New Orleans -> Mandatory Evacuation declared in New Orleans, Louisiana

- Borofkin 09:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Good point, I will. I normally don't bother fixing titles of previous day articles, though. StuRat 10:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have an issue with including the country name, generally. I think it will become more of a problem as Wikinews becomes more localised, however. - Borofkin 10:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I would say the country name is needed unless it's ONLY published under that country's news, or if the name of the city is so famous that everyone knows where it is, perhaps Paris, London, Moscow, Beijing, and New York might meet that criterion. StuRat 10:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought Sydney met also your criteria ... It is the biggest city in the Oceania, not only the capital of Australia. Aphaia 03:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Whilst I share your sentiment, Sydney is not the capital of Australia, Canberra is.

Interview with Bruce Knobloch, spokesman for 30A network
I called Bruce Knobloch, spokesman for the 30A network, to ask for his reponse to the acting commissioners comments. Here are my notes on his comments during the call:

"I've just been down to the Opera House. The security is quite extraordinary - the ammount of concrete and metal is a great overreaction, it's quite disturbing."

"Citizens who want to protest are labelled intrinsically anti-police

"The police are the meat in the sandwich"

"So they paint you as the enemy. "

"The assistant commisoner has been very pig headed."

"The only training I know about is something called non-violent direct action. This is exactly what it says: non-violent"

"It's a ridiculous claim. We live in a society where nearly everybody wants to be peaceful, and only the police have the weapons. Concerned citizens are not fools. The 30A network has no secrets, we have been very open about our intentions - to have a carnival protest."

"It's amazing the degree of paranoia going on at the heads of the NSW police force. We are a bunch of community activists and concerned citizens who have a right to protest agains the war profiteers and free-market freaks."

"The protest is gainst free-market maddness. The conference attendees are people who believe that the free-market can solve all of our problems, e.g privatisation, including things such as water. One of the conference attendees works for a private water company."

- Borofkin 08:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

30 August 2005 9:00am - Police Operation
I walked all around the barricades taking photos. The information in the article about the security operation around the Opera House is from my observations. - Borofkin 00:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Please combine articles on Australia protests
We seem to have multiple articles on essentially the same story, please combine them all into one. StuRat 09:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * To which articles are you referring? There are currently seven articles relating to the 30A protests, written over the last week (or so). Each article refers to distinct events that have occurred at different times. Which articles do you think should be merged? - Borofkin 09:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * See Talk:Sydney, Australia protesters reach agreement with police for full discussion. StuRat 17:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Sources not cited correctly / Second Part POV
Is something wrong or do two of the links cite the same article ('game-on')?

The entire second part of the article is POV. I could demonstrate that with a simple para or word count. The herald sun 'quotes' like 'leftists' is meant to make the reader sneer. I cannot find any article in the sources with these quotes. Could someone please help me find them?
 * Sorry about that, one of the URL's was wrong in the source. I've fixed it now, and I'm removing the sources tag. If you think any part of the article is POV, please edit it to fix things up, however note that this article is reporting what the Herald Sun is reporting, and there is plenty of stuff refutting what they are saying. - Borofkin 03:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks I can now read that article and am reminded at what a hyphenated rag the HS is. The use of 'hard-core' in scare quotes and 'leftists' in the article is the authour rolling his eyes. Kicking it back at them in the wikinews article is on par with the original crap article. It should be an important part: "The Leftist protesters said they could not guarantee the rally would be free of violence or that they would obey police exclusion zones" but Packman isn't quoting anyone directly.
 * Yep, it's undoubtedly Herald Sun crap. - Borofkin 03:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


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Please combine articles on Australia protests
We seem to have multiple articles on essentially the same story, please combine them all into one. StuRat 09:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * To which articles are you referring? There are currently seven articles relating to the 30A protests, written over the last week (or so). Each article refers to distinct events that have occurred at different times. Which articles do you think should be merged? - Borofkin 09:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * All seven. Change the date to the current date.  This one conference shouldn't completely dominate the news.  Right now 3 of 3 stories today are on this conference. StuRat 10:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason it completely dominates the news is because no-one else is writing articles. None of them are small, two-paragraph jobs, and as stated above, they each report on a distinct event that has occurred (at different times) in the leadup to the protest. I write articles as the event occurs, and readers need to see headlines. Writing one comprehensive article on the conference/protest is the job of Wikipedia. - Borofkin 10:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Let me give an example of a recent event in my hometown of Detroit, USA. There was an explosion of a chemical plant. I COULD have written the following articles over many days:

 * Explosion at chemical plant near Detroit, US

 * Fire still burning next day at chemical plant near Detroit, US

 * Fire finally extinguished at chemical plant near Detroit, US

 * Casualties of explosion and fire at chemical plant near Detroit, US

 * Revelations of previous fines against chemical plant over explosion and fire near Detroit, US

 * EPA investigates toxins as a result of explosion and fire at chemical plant near Detroit, US

 * Law firm files suit against chemical plant over explosion and fire near Detroit, US

 * Additional law firm files suit against chemical plant over explosion and fire near Detroit, US

Now maybe you see what I mean, would you really want to see a continuous barrage of headlines over essentially the same story ? We combined this all into one article, instead. StuRat 10:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * All of those except "Fire still burning" and possibly "Additional law firm" would be valid stories. Having to many stories on a topic is never a problem, if you think it is to many the solution is to write more stories, not try to kill the ones we have. --Cspurrier 12:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Amen, Borofkin has done a great job with all of these articles. ~The bellman | Smile 13:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't say kill them. I said combine them into one.  It's not the same thing at all. StuRat 17:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This shows one of the differences between Wikipedia and Wikinews. There might be one article at Wikipedia about the CEO conference in Sidney, Australia, which gives detailed background information about the history of the conference and the protests against it. At Wikinews several articles can be published about this conference. All articles reflect special aspects of this event. BTW many of these articles imply great parts of original reporting. --SonicR 18:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Please include country names in articles for international audience
StuRat 09:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of country name is rarely needed, and should only be included if it is likely to cause confusion or the story is so localized that you need to use the country name as a warning that people from outside that country are unlikely to care. Turning Sydney into Sydney, Australia is a ridiculous move. Sydney, Australia is by far the most common Sydney in the world, and is known by most people to be in Australia. --Cspurrier 12:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Perhaps most, but not all. Do we just ignore those people who are geographically deficient ?  I would say Sydney was a borderline case, but not NSW, which few outside Australia would have recognized as meaning New South Wales, Australia. StuRat 17:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Sydney is borderline??????????? If someone didnt know Sydney (which i really truely doubt - ive spoken with uneducated, poor, rural people from Brasil and they knew where Sydney was (as in that it was in AUS, not where in AUS)), i think it is safe to say they wouldnt know any other Australian city, which would mean they don't know any city in an ENTIRE continent. I strongly believe that if such a person does exist somewhere, they do not deserve to be taken into account. Can i suggest that something be added to the style manual listing which cities we should have to say where they are and which we shouldn't. ~The bellman | Smile 09:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree Bell, i'll move the page. This is bullshit - everyone knows where Sydney is - and if they don't then they can look it up on 'pedia! → CGorman (Talk) 09:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This is well-intentioned but slightly ridiculous. Even us Americans know which country Sydney is part of. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 11:26, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Police requirements
Have the protesters reached agreement on what conditions would cause them to depart, so police are available for duties elsewhere? For example, the recent London bombings required a suddent rearrangement of police resources. (SEWilco 18:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC))


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Talk:Bush attendance at Australia CEO conference a hoax

Please combine articles on Australia conference & protests
We seem to have multiple articles on essentially the same story, please combine them all into one. StuRat 10:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Please include country names in articles for international audience
StuRat 10:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Use of 'hoax'?
If an agency reported it wrong, simply state "reports from ... have incorrectly confirmed the presence of George H. W. Bush" (or similar). To use the word 'hoax' is suitable for other items, such as threats, etc. --Mrmiscellanious 10:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, a hoax is intentionally misleading people. StuRat 10:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well AAP fell for what was essentially a hoax press statement.

 * As long as that is really what happened, i.e. we can tell the press statment was a hoaxand not a mistake. In particualr one can normally namet he origin of a hoax.  Nyarlathotep 19:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I can't really see how it's not a "hoax" - false website was set up and a false press release sent to distribute information that's not true. Dan100 (Talk) 21:36, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Let me revise my earlier statement. It's not a hoax from the pt of view of the newspapers, who thought they were reporting the truth.  However, it is a hoax from the pt of view of those who set up the web site and press release to intentionally mislead people. StuRat 22:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

So it was a hoax. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 11:19, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

 * Depending on the context, yes or no. The headline "30A protest network pulls hoax on newspapers and public" would be correct, but the headline "Newspapers pull hoax on public" would not be correct. The current title doesn't say who pulled the hoax, so is OK, since the body of the story makes it clear. StuRat 17:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Categories
edit protected Please add this article to Category:The Sydney Morning Herald. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 10:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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If you're not using Firefox, you're not surfing the web, you're suffering it

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Could you take a look...
Opposition Leader Admits to fundamentalist contacts - Amgine 04:32, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Heyla!
Am looking at the edit count - I may have miscounted at the time. I would also point out the bad-faith editing practice (no attempt to discuss issue on talk page, removing neutral clear language in favour of obfuscation), but if there are but 3 reverts then I am in error. - Amgine / talk 14:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No, I don't accept that edit. It is akin to saying someone is blamed for being a tory voter if they vote tory. - Amgine / talk 15:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Hope you will help me if this happens
An anon put this on my talk page today; "== Warning == theres a plot to perman. ban you. see: []"

Neutralizer 20:29, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Just realized....
Just realized I never thanked you for welcoming me to wikinews back in 00:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC). So thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Request for mediation
I've opened a request for disput resolution at Dispute resolution/Users Neutralizer and Amgine, and asked if you would be willing to mediate. - Amgine / talk 01:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikitravel and Wikipedia
Hi, Robin. My name is Evan Prodromou, and I'm one of the founders of Wikitravel. I just stumbled across a comment you made in Water cooler/policy/Archive/June 2005 about 8 months ago, and I wanted to set something straight. You said, They [Wikitravellers] have been putting Wikipedia stuff on thier site [...] for ages with the boards knowledge (and i would also say non-public aproval).

That's not at all true. We don't copy Wikipedia content to Wikitravel, principally because an encyclopedia article usually makes a crummy travel guide (which is the second reason people don't carry encyclopedias in their luggage). Also, of course, the copyright holders have not given us permission to re-license the work under the cc-by-sa 1.0, so we cannot republish it. We sometimes import dual-licensed images, etc. from the Wikimedia Commons, and on rare occasions Wikitravellers will request that a Wikipedian or other Wikimedia contributor make a work available under a CC license, for example for particularly good photos or maps.

We don't copy Wikipedia articles with impunity. We assume that any text or image from Wikipedia is not available to us unless explicitly stated otherwise. When a well-meaning contributor copies content from Wikipedia, we almost invariably remove the content and replace it with something original and more travel-guide-ish. We also use some upstream public domain sources that are used by Wikipedia (for example, the CIA world factbook), and that may make it seem that the work came from Wikipedia.

If you are aware of some articles or images on Wikitravel that were not dual-licensed and are not published by permission, please let me know, and I'll make sure they're replaced or removed tout de suite. Sorry to bring up a point that was settled long ago, but I didn't want to let a misapprehension about Wikitravel go uncorrected. --wikitravel:User:Evan 19:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Rfda
This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

About Quechua in Wikibooks
Hello. It's user Uaxuctum from Wikibooks (I do not have an account here, sorry). I can't leave you a message there, since you blocked your user page from editing over a year ago. You had asked me long ago about the edits I made to the Quechua module. I haven't entered the Wikibooks site for ages, so sorry for being so late to answer. On the one hand, Quechua (unlike English) has no phonemic diphthongs (the phonetic diphthongs are phonemically merely semivocalic consonants juxtaposed to simple vowels; e.g., /aw/ = vowel /a/ followed by consontant /w/, while the English diphthong /aU/ as in "how" is a single, undecomposable phoneme). That's why they do not belong in a description of Quechua's phonemes (they would belong in a description of Quechua's phonotactics, i.e. syllable structure and such, which would also include the description of consonant clusters). As for the former practice of spelling with five vowels, that's due to the misinterpretation that Spanish speakers tend to make about Quechua's vowel phonology. Quechua has only three vowel phonemes, while Spanish has five. As in other languages with only 3 vowels (such as Arabic and Inuktitut), these feature a wide range of allophonic variation, meaning that phonetically one can actually hear sounds similar to [e] and [o] in Quechua, but that phonemically these are merely contextual and predictable realizations of /i/ and /u/ (basically, when they are next to an uvular consonant such as /q/). But to a Spanish speaker, used to thinking of the sounds [i] and [e] as belonging to what in Spanish are completely different phonemes /i/ and /e/, it is frequently difficult to grasp the idea that in some other language they may be considered as mere variants of "the same sound" (as they are for a native Quechua speaker). That is why in former orthographies devised by the educated elite in Peru (who were native speakers of Spanish), the Spanish distinction of /i/ vs. /e/ and /u/ vs. /o/ was artificially forced into Quechua orthography according to how the contextual allophone of /i/ and /u/ sounded to a Spanish ear. Imagine that English orthography had been devised by Quechua speakers; if so, then English consonant /k/ would be spelled differently in the words "key" and "ski", because even though for a native English speaker it is clear that they have the same /k/ sound, to a Quechua speaker's ear they sound totally different (the former is aspirated like Quechua "kh" and the latter is unaspirated like Quechua "k"), so they would insist in spelling the two allophones of English /k/ differently according to what phoneme the sound would correspond to in Quechua, just like Spanish speakers insisted in spelling the two sounds of Quechua /i/ and of Quechua /u/ differently according to what phoneme the sound would correspond to in Spanish.

 * Thanks ~The bellman | Smile 04:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

New Policy has users up in smoke
Hello. I am not sure if you check this page anymore, but I thought you might be interested as to what is going on here at Wikinews: Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan. I am outraged as well as others...do you have an opinion? DragonFire1024 09:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for de-adminship
We are currently in the process of voting to de-admin some admins who have not been active recently, including you. If you wish you could say something at WN:A. Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I voted to oppose your de-admin and was against the whole process. It was not a community effort to do that. I hope you stay and come back to us! :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

 * You're welcome. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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