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If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! I moved your comments to the opinion page. You should reserve comments for the "Comments" sections of existing articles. Have a look for the link entitled, "Have an opinion on this story? Post It!" on some articles of interest and try commenting there. Your opinion is welcome! Jcart1534 21:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:More US recalls: Fish pool toy rips fingernail off child, numerous toys with excessive lead

How many years have toys with 'excessive amounts of lead' been in circulation? Should I fear for my life and/or general wellbeing because I was brought up in an age when Health and Safety Laws were but a fragment of some sad git's imagination... How far will this go?

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Dutch Justice Department bans Wikipedia for employees following vandalism

November 17, 2007

A spokesperson for the Justice Department in the Netherlands has confirmed to the Dutch magazine Intermediair that it will temporarily suspend access to Wikipedia for its 30,000 employees, following recently revealed vandalism by staff members.

The magazine has confronted the department with some untasteful edits to the Dutch Wikipedia which originated from their IP addresses. Anonymous users are registered through these unique internet fingerprints when they edit Wikipedia. The magazine exposed the vandalism through Wikiscanner.nl, a website which combines a database of Wikipedia alterations with a server database from large institutions. The site can be used to reveal which organisations are behind anonymous Wikipedia editors.

One of the edits involved the article on the murder of controversial filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a muslim extremist, which shocked the Netherlands and led to an intense debate about integration and the safety of public figures. In 2005, the vandal added to the article that Mr. van Gogh was riding his bicycle through a street in Amsterdam "with his penis hanging out of his pants" when he was shot.

This is tasteless and intolerable. We are temporarily going to block Wikipedia for some 30,000 staff members. An investigation will be launched on the use and misuse of the encyclopedia.

Another incident involved the Dutch article on prominent politician Lousewies van der Laan, where an anonymous editor added that her nickname was "casual shag".

The magazine revealed that while a limited number of edits were on legal topics, there were also edits to articles on Jesus Christ, pop stars, witchcraft, Donald Duck and masturbation. On the talk page of one of the anonymous users is a list of some 50 articles where vandalism occurred. Most vandalism was reverted quickly by other editors.

Elly Waterman, chair of Wikimedia Netherlands, pointed out to the magazine that not only civil servants, but also court personnel could have been behind these modifications.

Because of legal limitations on the time internet activity can be stored, it will probably not be possible to find out who exactly committed the vandalism, the spokesperson added.


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Talk:Dutch Justice Department bans Wikipedia for employees following vandalism

Original reporting
I did some investigating via wikiscanner.nl to confirm what I read. Most newspapers inaccurately say that there was vandalism on the article Theo van Gogh, while it was actually on the article on his murder. The talk page of the anonymous editor, which I cite in the article, can be found here. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Which Wikipedia?
Was the vandalism on the Dutch or English Wikiedia? - Borofkin 23:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Dutch -I'll add it to the article.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:208.59.163.58

Hi, I've marked The summer that shook the American Workplace: The new threat and hidden agenda of Labors new Government for speedy deletion. It appears to be an op-ed rather than a news article, appears to be a copyright violation, from - http://www.eworldwire.com/pressreleases/17638, and is not timely being almost two months old. If you have any questions, feel free contact me on my talk page- User talk:JoshuaZ. Thanks! JoshuaZ 23:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Dynamic quiz/quiz/2007/47

Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

Last Updated: October 17, 2008

Quiz
{In what South Asian country were millions evacuated in preparation of tropical cyclone Sidr? - Thailand + Bangladesh - India - Vietnam
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 * See Cyclone Sidr kills hundreds in Bangladesh

{A caretaker government took over in Pakistan this week, when are the upcoming elections planned? - November 2007 - December 2007 + January 2008 - February 2008
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 * See Pakistan gets caretaker government to oversee January elections

{What South American country was struck by a powerful earthquake this week? - Brasil - Peru - Colombia + Chile
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 * See Magnitude 7.7 earthquake strikes Antofagasta, Chile

{On the right is a file photo of Anders Fogh Rasmussen. What is he known for? + Prime Minister of Denmark - Member of the Swedish royal family - Chair of the European Parliament - Norwegian film director
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 * See Ruling coalition keeps majority after parliamentary election in Denmark

{Iran provided the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) with documents containing designs that could be used to produce a nuclear bomb. Iran replied to these findings by saying what? - Such plans could easily be found in engineering textbooks - The plans were outdated and therefore did not pose any threat + The plans just came with the nuclear material they bought on the black market - The plans were misinterpreted, they had nothing to do with nuclear activities
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 * See Iran reveals nuclear designs to IAEA

{Which of the following infections has not emerged in the United Kingdom during the past few months? + Mad cow disease - bluetongue disease - foot-and-mouth disease - Bird flu
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 * See H5N1 strain of Avian Flu found in the UK

{Who told Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez to shut up during the Ibero-American summit this week? - Néstor Kirchner + Juan Carlos I - José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero - Daniel Ortega
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 * See King of Spain tells Hugo Chavez to 'shut up' during summit.

{A Russian oil tanker on Monday sank and lost 560,000 gallons of fuel near which sea? - Mediterranean Sea - Aegean Sea - Red Sea + Black Sea
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 * See Oil spill near Black Sea as storm sinks three ships

{Wikinews published an interview this week with the representative of the Dalai Lama to the Americas. How old was the Dalai Lama when he was enthroned? - 5 - 10 + 15 - 16
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 * See Dalai Lama's representative talks about China, Tibet, Shugden and the next Dalai Lama

{A video was released to the media of a Polish immigrant who died at the Vancouver International Airport in Canada. What weapon did officers use against this man? + Taser - Pepperspray - Baton - Rubber bullet gun
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 * Now you've finished the quiz, why don't you post your score on the talk page

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User:Adabow

Please see my main page at Wikipedia here

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User talk:83.24.235.113

Zarzadzki Marek
Hi, I've tagged Zarzadzki Marek for deletion. Wikinews is a project to write news articles, not to post resumes. For more information about Wikinews, please see Introduction. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page- User talk:JoshuaZ. Thanks. JoshuaZ 01:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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2007 Baseball World Cup Quarter Final: A brand new semi-finalists except the host team

November 18, 2007

In the quarter-final of 2007 Baseball World Cup, because actual strengths of those finalists were merely close, the pitching became a key role to decide a team who entered or eliminated the semi-final.

Japan vs Australia
With the closing by Japanese pitchers Tadashi Settsu & Kohhei Hasebe, and great batting performance by Hisayoshi Chono with his solo HR in the top of 3rd inning and a 1-RBI-hit in the top of 7th inning, who ever hit a game-winning 3-run HR to beat South Korea at 2006 Asian Games, Japan closed Australia with 3-0 winning.

Mexico vs Cuba
It's a pitching game before the 4th inning. After the bottom of 5th inning, with Mexico's starting pitcher Hector Rodriguez was in a unsteady condition, Cuba scored 3 RBIs with a great full base chance. And Yoandry Urgelles hit a 2-run HR in the bottom of 8th inning to tie Cuba's winning with 6-0.

South Korea vs USA
Athletes from Minor League played a key role and made good performances at this game. USA beat Korea with 3-1 by Jeff Karstens' great starting pitching and Andy LaRoche's 2-run HR at the bottom of 1st inning from Korea's starting pitcher Won-jun Chang, the losing pitcher at this game.

Netherlands vs Chinese Taipei
Media from Taiwan focused on this game because this fixture was also taken place past 6 years at the Quarter Final of 2001 Baseball World Cup. Even though the host team (Chinese Taipei) want to challenge the champion, but Netherlands has ambitions to revenge the lost in 2001.

After Vince Rooi hit a solo HR to tie the score with 2-2 at the top of the 9th inning, the Batting of Netherlands was encouraged and started in the 10th inning, with the relief pitcher Fu-de Ni was in unstable, Netherlands scored 4 RBIs. Finally, Netherlands successfully revenged to the host team with 6-2 winning.


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2007 Baseball World Cup Semi Final: Cuba meets USA 8 times

November 18, 2007

In the semi-final of 2007 Baseball World Cup, except for Cuba vs Japan, USA battled Netherlands this series after the host team (Chinese Taipei) was eliminated by Netherlands.

Cuba vs Japan
The starting pitcher Aroldis Chapman had a excellence performance in his 8-innings pitching. He had a great chance to become the winning pitcher with effective offenses in the top of 4th and 9th innings by his teammates. Even though Toshiyuki Hayashi was hit by a pitch from Champan in the bottom of 7th inning, and Pedro Luis Lazo almostly broke a save, Cuba luckily won Japan by Cuba's final closer Yuniesky Maya with 5-3.

Netherlands vs USA
In this key game, 2A and 3A Minor League players from USA played a great role. Colby Rasmus from 2A hit a lead-off home run in the bottom of the 1st inning. His teammates also made an effective offense to score 4 RBIs by a full base chance in the bottom of the 8th inning. Finally, USA beat the Netherlands 5-0. They will take on Cuba 8 times in the Final of 2007 Baseball World Cup.

5th Place Qualifications

 * Australia 7-1 Mexico
 * Chinese Taipei 0-3 South Korea

Final Day Fixtures (November 18)

 * Finals: USA vs Cuba
 * 3rd-Place: Japan vs Netherlands
 * 5th Place: South Korea vs Australia
 * 7th Place: Mexico vs Chinese Taipei


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Comments:Dutch Justice Department bans Wikipedia for employees following vandalism

All of the edits seem to have been juvenile, rather than political. The first is harmless.
 * Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, Wikipedia vandals are huge assholes and should be thwarted whenever possible.  On the other, the vandalism was fixed easily and it seems against the spirit of Wikipedia for 30,000 people to loose access to it because of a few stupid vandals. Spacehusky 04:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a wasteful and despicable act of vandalism by people who obviously are paid for doing nothing but wasting taxpayer money in the Netherlands. The may think it is all a cute prank but to the readers who look to reliable sources for news and information this is a punishable offence and should be treated by the Dutch Ministry of Justice as such.

Jan Smallenbroek

Name me an organisation with 30,000 employees, none of whom have at some point in time added some juvenile humour to Wikipedia, on articles that are either about a well known subject such as Jesus Christ, or a well known public figure such as Lousewies van der Laan. Personally I think I'd struggle to find such an organisation with 30 employees... --Random 17:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's a shame that human nature is like that. Of course if they just block URLs matching *.wikipedia.org/w/* then people could not edit, but still view. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Random User has the truth of it - the problem is that as long as it provides cheap media thrills to "out" a high-profile company or bureau's vandalism, stories like this can happen again. The final outcome will be either a) many companies blocking Wikipedia editing or b) many companies cracking down much harder on irrelevant Internet stupidity, and neither is really a good thing.  Although it would have some detrimental effects, perhaps Wikipedia should borrow a trick from the Ministry of Justice and erase IP address information a certain interval after posting, just as the Ministry erased their internal records by law, or alternatively find a way to not display IP addresses in the first place. 70.15.116.59 05:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:UN's Third Commission passes resolution condemning capital punishment

This is good news, indeed.

Comments from feedback form - "Not enough background informat..."
Not enough background information about the subjects presented within the document, although all facts are indeed truthful. —173.51.253.85 (talk) 00:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


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Talk:Australia defeat Nigeria in international football (soccer) friendly

Original reporting: watched match, take notes, replayed match this morning to double-check notes. Source provided is for the "The match served as a warm-up..." paragraph.  Daniel  04:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


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User:Tarif Ezaz

Hi I'm Tarif Ezaz. I'm from Bangladesh, the most beautiful and historically unique country in the world. I have been contributing in Wikipedia for over a year and a half and looking to stretch my area of interest. You can check my account on Wikipedia here. Regards to everyone and pray for us so that we could overcome Cyclone Sidr.

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Talk:Cyclone Sidr kills hundreds in Bangladesh

I'm requesting to update this news. Our web connection and electricity is being disrupted, so it would be nice if someone keep the page up to date. Regards --Tarif Ezaz 04:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:68.249.238.32

Welcome
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If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Kiddo Article
Please add sources. A home page is not a source...Please see Style guide. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:IdiotVictim

Welcome
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Wikinews:Blog

The official Wikinews blog entitled Wikinews Reports can be found at http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com. This blog succeeded an older inactive blog at http://wikinews.blogspot.com.

Wikinews Reports currently has some 16 editors, mostly administrators or accredited reporters, but any user in good standing can ask any of the current bloggers for access. The blog is under the same license as Wikinews, i.e. the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license.

The Wikinews Reports blog was originally set up by User:Zanimum (under the author name Wikinews Reports), mainly to promote Wikinews on Planet Wikimedia, a Wikimedia-related blog aggregator. Later, User:DragonFire1024 managed to get the blog listed on Google News, and as such it is currently the only way our stories go there. It can be used to post original reporting stories or to blog about our experiences as citizen journalists, often with a link to the full story on Wikinews. Because of the link with Google News, it can also be used to post other stories to promote Wikinews, but this will also list the article on Planet Wikimedia.

Current blog authors

 * Brian
 * Zanimum
 * FellowWikiNews
 * Markie
 * Cartman02au
 * Frankie Robero
 * DragonFire1024
 * Brianmc (Ninja Tao)
 * Martinp23
 * Patrick
 * SVTCobra
 * Jacques Divol
 * NZgabriel
 * Doldrums
 * Steven Fruitsmaak
 * David Shankbone

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Wikinews talk:Blog

Blog layout
I'd like to discuss blog layout here. We keep changing the blog back and forth while we should have some discussion and reach consensus here. Mainly, I don't like the colour scheme used, and I don't like the top banner promoting Freerice.com, it might be a good cause but it is unrelated. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is unrelated. Why would we need a consensus on the look of the blog?  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 16:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, there is http://wikinews.blogspot.com/, which we posted our news stories on. Since Wikinews Reports is allowed on Google News then mabie we should start up the Wikinews blog again, and Google would approve us, because they approved the current blog, and then our news stories will be on Google.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 16:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have submitted Wikinewsie's Editors' blog to Google's blog aggregator and updated the site to ping Technorati whenever a new post is put up. I don't want to use a single mass-ping service, so if anyone else knows blog pinging urls let me know. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Style/layout
I changed it because it was dull and unoriginal. Everything was set at standard default creation with the exception of one or two things. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I don't think the standard layout was that bad. I would like to have a colour scheme that resembles our standard Wikinews layout more, you know, using a bit more blue-and-white and less green and dark colours in general.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Some comments: Looked much better then last time I looked. I agree the Free rice thing seems unrelated. You have copyright info in there twice. The Donate to wikinews button seems inconsistent with the colour theme. I like the FR banner at the top, but the title has some contrast issues (perhaps the text should have an outline, like below example). The green background seems a little inconsistent with everything, ( as opposed to say a blue background, but that suffers from the everything is blue issue). However it does make it seem warmer and friendlier. In the end I think its definitly an improvement.Bawolff ☺☻ 20:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The free rice thing was just for fun and its not an "ad" because you don't need to buy anything or etc. I think it looks better now, and everything there is customizable, if you know HTML and etc or scripts it can all be edited to our liking...but I think it looks more inviting than before...and less like someone just started the blog 2 days ago. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also I quite liked the logo that was on the banner...as its consistant with our goals. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Another thought. Currently it links to the RSS Feed for the blog (as it should). Maybe we should make it also link to our (the mian Wikinews) RSS feed. ( add

Between the Head tags. (So it would look something like this in source: Bawolff ☺☻ 20:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed blue layout

 * I think the bg green does not interact well with the light aqua of the sidebar. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Which of the two should change then? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Current blog poll
The current blog poll is faulty in that it suggests that there is one winner. Each party, Republicans and Democrats, will have a winner. There should be two polls, preferably, or it should be narrowed down one party. --SVTCobra 00:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:142.68.94.27

Welcome
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 * When using talk pages (the "collaboration" tab at the top of the page), or the comments pages (tab "opinions"), please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Reetweert

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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User talk:82.134.236.5

Welcome
Welcome!

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 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
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Here are some other hints and tips:

 * I would recommend that you get a username. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikinews, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and there are many benefits of having a username.  (If you edit without a username, your IP address is used to identify you instead.)

 * When using talk pages (the "collaboration" tab at the top of the page), or the comments pages (tab "opinions"), please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Euro 2008 Qualification: Poland vs. Belgium

November 18, 2007

The Polish national football team won 2:0 against Belgium in the in. For first time in the history, the former have a safe passage to UEFA Euro 2008 (from Group A).

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Athletes from 2009 Summer Deaflympics participate the Warming Up Challenge of 2007 Taipei 101 Run Up

November 18, 2007 Prior to 2007 Taipei 101 Run Up, organizers held a 35-floors warming up match for local athletes from 2009 Summer Deaflympics with the theme of "Value Your Every Step". This warming up simulated every possible situation as athletes wore the RFID chip and some professional medical teams stood by for emergency.

"Taipei City and 2009 Summer Deaflympics (in the future) will be known with a conjunction from this game (Taipei 101 Run Up) and the promotion of 2009 Summer Deaflympics." Emile Sheng (Chief Executive Director of 2009 Summer Deaflympics) remarked before this match, "We (Taipei City Government, the organizer of 2009 Deaflympics) will provide the best service for athletes from participated nations to do an effective promotion of the deaf culture in Taiwan."

"The deaf culture in Taiwan was rarely respected by common people. After Taipei City was elected to be the organizer of the 2009 Deaflympics, and a success of '2007 World Deaf Swimming Championship', this (deaf) culture is now progressively respected around the world. I hope this game can be a great platform to make this known by more and more people with deaf athletes' participation." Sue Wang (Spokeswoman of 2007 Taipei Run Up and Sign Language Anchor of Public Television Service) remarked.

Hsiao-hua Tseng and Lan-feng Chen, men's and women's fastest athlete in this (warming up) match, finished separately with 6 min 9 secs and 6 min 45 secs. After this match, the host (Taipei 101) awarded certifications and announced that the main match will take place next Sunday (November 25) morning.


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Lula: Venezuela "does not lack democracy"

November 18, 2007

In statements to the press on November 14, the president of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, defended the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, and minimized the incident between him and the, during the 17th  in Chile.

According to, Lula said after meeting with the president of the Guiné-Bissau: "There is little difference in opinion between King Juan Carlos and Chavez. There are many other differences between heads of State. Divergence is part of a democratic meeting."

The Brazilian President stressed that "Venezuela is a democratic country" and compared it with the United Kingdom: "You can criticize Chavez for anything but lack of democracy in Venezuela. In Venezuela, there were three referendums, three elections, four ... Why did nobody lament when Margaret Thatcher remained in power for so many years? It's continuity, there is nothing different. Only the system is slightly different, the system of presidential regime to . But what matters is not the system, but the exercise of power."


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Comments:Two airliners come within seconds of collision over Indiana, US

Modernise it?
What horsecrap. Put more planes in the sky and you need to put more bums on seats in front of screens watching the radar. I know someone works at Edinburgh airport, they modernised the airport to support more traffic. They built a new tower which gives better visibility. But, to my knowledge, they didn't increase the number of controllers. Money doesn't get spent on manpower. That's such a dull thing to budget for when you get a shiny new terminal building, more parking, and 10-20% more planes. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how it could of been a near collision if they were obeying TCAS. Even if the ATC made a mistake the situation was under control. The ATC should thank their lucky stars that the aircraft were modern enough to have advanced safety features onboard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.170.125 (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WHATS NEXT FOR MIDWEST AIRLINES
MIDWEST AIRLINES SHOULD STICK WITH THEIR SLOGAN "THE BEST CARE IN THE AIR" AT MSP A PILOT WAS TAKEN OFF THE PLANE FOR DRINKING BEFORE FLYING THE PLANE WHATS NEXT NAPPING DURING FLIGHT OPENING TE DOOR AND SMOKING?


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Comments:Lula: Venezuela "does not lack democracy"

"Porque no te callas, Lula" --SVTCobra 18:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice one, compare Chavez to Thatcher. There are so many ways that could end up true. Thatcher brutally suppressed the miners' strike, I can just see Chavez running into problems with protests about his planned reforms. But, they're opposite ends of the spectrum. Chavez will make workers' groups and unions overly powerful, Thatcher set out to de-fang them and take away all their influence. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I recently had dinner with the family of a high ranking Brazilian judge, and they expressed to me that they are worried Lula may be trying to achieve a similar dictatorship in Brazil as Chavez appears to be aiming for in Venezuela. Let's hope brazil holds together. --Shaggorama 12:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

the last line of this news is not entirely true, the proposal for the constitution's article is about the possibility of unlimited re-election, not that chávez will govern for life, not necessarily anyway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.11.197.218 (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Exactly and that is an impression CONSTANTLY being made in the western media, amongst many others to "paint" the government of Venezuela as harbouring authoritarian tendancies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


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Murray Hill on the life and versatility of a New York drag king

November 19, 2007 Drag—dressing in the clothing atypical of your born gender—in recent years has found mainstream success. Films such as Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil and To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar have prominently featured drag performers. But they have all focused on men in drag as women.

Murray Hill is a comedian, emcee and performer. He is also a drag king. Called "The Hardest Working Middle-aged Man in Show Business", The New York Times christened him "the current reigning patriarch of the downtown performance community." He is seemingly everywhere, emceeing a bingo night at the now closed, Jimmy Fallon-backed Mo Pitkins' House of Satisfaction on Avenue A, or hosting the Polyamorous Pride Day in Central Park. Hill has become a legend in New York's "anything goes" counterculture theater scene who is beginning to find mainstream success; which would be a first for a drag king.

David Shankbone's examination of New York City's culture has brought him to the whip's end of a BDSM dungeon, on the phone with RuPaul, matching wits with Michael Musto, grilling Gay Talese, eating dinner with Augusten Burroughs and quizzing the bands that play the Bowery Ballroom. In this segment he talks to downtown legend Murray Hill, former New York City mayoral candidate and comedian, on the last night of Mo Pitkins' House of Satisfaction.

Murray Hill the performer
David Shankbone: Where is Murray Hill from?
 * Murray Hill: Murray Hill is from Murray Hill.  23rd Street and Third Avenue.  What I like to tell the kids is I was born in the back seat of a cab right there, which is how I got the name.  The cab driver asked my dad, ‘Is it a boy or a girl?’ and my dad said, ‘No.’  I knew right then and there, kid, that I was going to wind up in Showbiz!  And here I am!  Fifty-five years later, lookin’ good!

DS: What does Murray Hill do on a Saturday?
 * MH: I’m doing shows.  I am the only entertainer who has the most diverse working schedule, and my nickname is “The Hardest Working Middle-aged Man in Show Business.”  This Saturday I hosted the Polyamorous Pride Day in Central Park.  That was 106th Street and Central Park West.  Then I got into a cab and a half later I was on Canal Street and West Broadway to be in a burlesque show I hosted for a completely different audience.  And that’s showbiz!

DS: Do you ever talk about the Iraq War in your routines?
 * MH: I don’t necessarily talk about the war, specifically.  I do not speak favorably about our President.

DS: Has the war affected you at all?
 * MH: I think September 11 affected me greatly.  As far as what I do and how I relate to audiences, I don’t know if the war has affected me as much in the last few years other then having pure anger at our government and being ashamed sometimes when I go overseas.  I’m just like, “Ugh!”  I’m against war completely.  I don’t talk about that stuff too much.  I talk a lot about New York gentrification.

DS: Would you ever leave New York?
 * MH: In my shows I talk a lot about New York and sticking with it.  I’ve seen the changes so drastically.  I would never leave it permanently, but I would go to L.A. for awhile.

DS: Why?
 * MH: Showbiz!  But I could never do it permanently.

DS: Do you feel like you are being held back here because it has dwindled so much?
 * MH: I have performed in New York for almost ten years and people still come to my show for the first time and are like, “Whoa!”  They had never heard of me and they had never seen me.  I think New York is a place where that can happen over and over.  You can’t really do that in a place like L.A. or San Francisco because in two years everyone and their mother have seen you twenty times.  I’m a performer who accepts the changes of New York and I perform to that.  I had a closing night here upstairs where there were no East Village people and I couldn’t believe it!  These are all new out-of-towners.  It was almost the gentrified audience that was at my show.  I’m addicted to it.  I’ve never been more electrified by my audience than this year.

DS: How has your show evolved since you started doing it?
 * MH: It started as something I just did for fun and how it has changed I have put in the time with my craft.  I’m very much an improv performer and I think over the years I have developed more of a back-story and honed my craft.  I’m a professional now.  A full-time career, I’m living off of it, I’m doing movies and music videos.  Plays, some TV stuff.  It’s become a full-blown career.

DS: When you say you have honed your craft, what sort of research do you do?
 * MH: A lot of people just see me and think it’s improv, but improv is a skill.  Nobody knows I do a lot of research; I read everything and listen to a lot of records.  Totie Fields records and Belle Barth.  Frances Faye records.  All the old guys who are full-bodied entertainers.  I have this extensive knowledge of that 50s, 60s and 70s comedy.  I’m influenced by Bette Midler—those old concerts are unbelievable!  Justin Bond, Lady Bunny, Alan Cumming, Jack on Three’s Company, Benny Hill, Jackie Gleason, Carol Burnett, Lily Tomlin, George Jefferson, Neil Diamond, of course.  I do a lot of writing and then develop on stage.  Over the years I’ve learned to write things down and develop a catalog of material.

DS: They say all really great comedians they honed their craft through personal tragedy.
 * MH: I agree with most of that.

DS: Does that apply to you?
 * MH: There’s different ways to react to things, and you could be depressed and upset, or you can go another direction.  Comedy got me out of the gutter and got me positive.  It makes people happy.  I think a lot comedians are very negative, angry, bitter people.  I don’t know if you have ever spent any time in the comedy scene.  They can be brutal, on stage and off.  I’m taking a different route than those performers.  It’s important to me that I’m a non-threatening character.  People are more accepting.  Because of that I’ve had a lot of opportunity in my career.  Showbiz!

Murray Hill the person
DS: Who have you patterned your persona of Murray Hill after?
 * MH: It came across naturally.  I was recently at a family funeral—

DS: As Murray Hill?
 * MH: No, half and half.  I have an uncle who I knew growing up.  Dead ringer to Murray!  I’m half Italian.  My grandfather and my father are pretty much the spirit of Murray, this patriarchal-yet-warm character.  Roly-poly.

DS: Does your family accept you?
 * MH: That’s a long story.  I’ll answer it saying I moved out when I was 18 and I have not gone back.  But my Dad died so I did go back for that, and that was the first time in fifteen years.

DS: How was the reaction?
 * MH: I don’t talk about that much.  It’s still new.  A lot of where my work comes from in a human standpoint is that I came from a very conservative background and intense place.  It’s very important me to have the complete opposite in my shows.  I accept everybody in my shows and I’m very positive.  And—something I look up to RuPaul about—is visibility.  It’s so important today to be visible, to be out there, and take up space, to show people they have no reason to have fear.  RuPaul was on TV in the 1990s, and I’ve been trying to get on TV and people are still worried, and it’s been twenty years.  I’ve been the first drag king—if you have to use the word—to do many things.  I performed for Penelope Cruz.  The first to be on television.  I really believe there is a place for us.

DS: What do you do when you’re not doing show business?
 * MH: I got hooked on a new game: bowling.  There’s a bowling alley near my house.  I’m into this new game called Speedmitton.  I actually exercise.  Then I watch Dean Martin DVDs.  I have all of his shows on DVD from those late-night commercials.  Have you seen those, with Don Rickles?  I bought them.  I was that schmuck at 3:00 in the morning I bought the whole damn set and they are still coming in the mail!

DS: Are you dating anyone?
 * MH: Quite a few.  I will say my public girlfriend Is Dirty Martini; my Hollywood wife.  My Beard, so to speak.

DS: The New York Times article made it seem like you are embodying this character, that you have become him, and have no personality outside of Murray Hill.
 * MH: Well, I don’t know about that.  I think of myself as an entertainer and there are definitely some old school references, and I try to make it a little easier for people and say I am a comedian.   I think people have an easier time understanding what that is.

DS: Do you consider yourself transgendered?
 * MH: I really don’t label myself.  It’s a conscious—possibly political—decision and I try not to be labeled by gender.

DS: Do you consider yourself butch?
 * MH: I consider myself a tough guy.  Butch is another label that doesn’t sit well with me.

DS: Because it denies your femininity as well?
 * MH: No, just because people like to put narrowing labels on sexuality.  I try to challenge that.

DS: Do you surprise yourself with your sexuality?
 * MH: What surprises me is I’m often in a lot of uncomfortable situations as Murray, and it surprises me how accepted I am in certain places.  It’s mind-blowing.  What I do find surprising is when I go to a wedding, and then all the gender-sexuality issues are in a neon shining light, and that’s when I’m like, ‘Whoa!’  I really can say I think of myself as what I am, and I don’t try to put that in a box.  But when I go to a wedding, for example, I’m like, “Agh!” for the way I’m treated, looked at, talked about.

Drag as performance art for women
DS: You don’t like the phrase drag king, is that correct?
 * MH: No, somebody said that—The New York Times wrote an article about me and they made it seem like I don’t like the phrase ‘drag king’.  What I tried to explain to them is that I don’t like to be labeled as anything that people form a very narrow viewpoint about.  This goes for drag king, this goes for anything else.  When you say ‘drag king’ it’s a very specific thing.

DS: What is a drag king?
 * MH: A cross-dresser who does some kind of performance, and I think I am much more than that.  I really hammered the press about this and I finally got to a point where I think when people assume that somebody is queer, or different, or trans, they always want to put something before their name.  And that is what drag king has been.  Why can’t you just call me a comedian like Jerry Seinfeld is called a comedian?

DS: What do you think people think of when they hear ‘drag king’?
 * MH: I’m not really sure.  I think that they immediately think lesbian and sexuality as a show, as a spectacle.  It’s a longer discussion, with drag queen and somebody like Justin Bond and somebody like Lady Bunny.  They are two totally different types of people and perform two different types of ways.  Lady Bunny is a drag queen—

DS: Who is rarely divorced from that personality—
 * MH: Well, who knows.  I’ve known her for ten years and I’ve only known her as Lady.  Justin Bond doesn’t go by drag queen; he says he is a transgendered artist.  It’s much more fluid.  And I think I’m more in that camp.

DS: Then there’s Lypsinka, who very much sees it as a character.
 * MH: Yes, as an actor playing a character.  I’m more in the Justin vein.  The lines are more blurred.

DS: Do you think it’s less acceptable to be a drag king or a drag queen?
 * MH: The differences are unparalleled.  Drag kings have it rough.  I just had a reviewer say some really inappropriate things about me, and I always say to myself, ‘Would they ever say that about Lady Bunny?’  They were questioning genders and names and this, talking about body parts.  Drag queens have been in the culture forever.  They’ve had mainstream visibility and success.  Drag kings are just not comparable.

The gay community and drag artists
DS: Do you think you get it worse from the gays or worse from the mainstream?
 * MH: I’ve worked very hard, and I still have to work very hard to be recognized by the gay media, because most of it is run by gay men.  They’ve been very supportive, but I’ve had to really push them.  I think mainstream doesn’t ever know what’s going on, but the press has been good to me.

'''DS: I interviewed Michael Musto and he spoke about how younger gays are embracing their femininity more and have overcome body fascism; but in my interview with RuPaul she said almost the exact opposite. She felt men using femininity as part of their emotional palate is still considered anathema. What do you think about how gender is seen today among younger people?'''
 * MH: It’s definitely different now.  RuPaul does a lot of touring, and it’s very different when you leave New York.  I have noticed the last five years in New York that the lesbian, butch/femme thing has eroded.  It’s much more fluid and multi-gendered.  I think the gay guy scene is like that.  If you go to Williamsburg and the East Village gay male scene, it’s completely what Michael said.  RuPaul doesn’t hang out in that scene anymore.  He was here in the 1980s and it was very different.

DS: You think RuPaul’s perspective is coming from a show-tour world?
 * MH: I’m not sure, but he’s not in a daily New York scene as much as Michael is, or as much as I am.  It is different now.  If you go to a gay pride, and I just did gay pride in Baltimore, it’s a whole different ball game.  You’ve got your butch, you’ve got your femme, you’ve got your closeted people who are coming out at Pride and being feminine for that one day only.  It’s very different.  The club scene now is more queer than it is gay and lesbian.  It’s more trans.  The lesbians, the Trans and the gay guys all hang out together.  If you go to this club called Metropolitan on Wednesday night you’ll see it.

Drag queens and drag kings: the differences
'''DS: With drag queens it seems like almost anything is on the table. If they want to butch it up, if they want to fem it up. In the craft, are there boundaries you feel you can’t cross?'''
 * MH: I will never take off my shirt and tie.  That’s about as far as it goes.  I take off my jacket and every once in a while when the audience is screaming for me to do it, I’ll take off my pants at shows.  I really don’t have too many rules.  My rules are more about the environment I create for the shows.  I’m very strict about having a positive environment.  I will never put somebody down in a negative, crass way, which you’ll see at comedy clubs and drag queen shows pretty much all the time.  I make fun of everybody, but I do it in a way where we all feel good about it instead of a way where somebody thinks, ‘Wow, somebody is really getting it.’  I’m very aware that women come to the show and they feel safe and  that it’s a fun place.  That’s my biggest rule.

'''DS: What about in terms of gender roles, how you use gender? Are there boundaries for a drag king when they are performing in terms of what they should or shouldn’t do?'''
 * MH: I don’t know.  When there was a consolidated drag king scene here—1997—there was a heavy scene but now it’s faded away.  There isn’t really a group anymore.  But all across the country there are groups everywhere.  Their performances are very different than what I’m doing.  It’s overtly about gender, sexuality, politics and a reveal.  They’ll show the dildoes, strip down and do a transformation.  A lot of it is about transformation.  There’s even a new group that’s with—I’ve got to get the terms right—drag kings, boyz, and now there’s a scene of lesbians doing F2F drag.  That’s all about challenging the gender stuff.  It’s part of the act; whereas my stuff doesn’t make that the core of the act. Obviously it’s there, but I don’t hit the kids over the head with it.  Which is why more people come to my show.  They’re not threatened by the sexuality aspect of it.

The direction of New York downtown culture
DS: Why do you think the drag king scene in New York has died down?
 * MH: New York is a very different place.  People who do drag have a lot of strong personalities in New York.  There’s a scene, and we all know each other from the scene, but in terms of a group getting together having meetings and a theater company it’s just not part of New York culture.

DS: But it used to be?
 * MH: Not so much.  I think people are very individual here.  It’s not a group mentality.  It’s more about community building and creating your own community.  Since everything in New York is ‘cool’ here there’s not much of a need to create a community since we are accepted.  Lady Bunny, RuPaul, they are very much who they are and went off on their own.  They were part of the East Village scene—

DS: The Pyramid Club days—
 * MH: Yeah, but it wasn’t a group.

DS: Where do you think downtown Manhattan culture is going right now?
 * MH: [Laughs]  Brooklyn!  [Laughs]

DS: Where in Brooklyn?
 * MH: There’s a lot of stuff happening in Williamsburg.  There are more queer bars and performance spaces cropping up.  There are more corporate places, too.  Clear Channel just bought a club in Williamsburg.  We are now sitting in a place that still has East Village type performance, and that’s what this wall is about behind me, honoring all the downtown legends.  And now this is closing.  Fez closed, which is where I started, and so did Kiki and Herb.  That place is closed, and now this place is closed.

DS: Do you think it’s a permanent change?
 * MH: I definitely think that the East Village begin a counter-culture melting pot is definitely over.  Definitely over.  We’re not all in one place anymore but we’re spread out.  Nobody just lives in the East Village anymore; nobody just lives in Williamsburg.  We can’t afford it.  There’s no consolidation.  When I first started in New York—

DS: When was that?
 * MH: In 1996 I ran for Mayor.  Then you could go to a club every night and the scene would be packed with all kinds of performers like Dean Johnson, who just passed away.  Mario, Jackie Beat, every night!  That’s how I knew everybody, but that’s definitely over.

DS: Where did it go?
 * MH: It spread out.  It ended and it spread out.  A lot of clubs got raided and a lot of the clubs closed.  Nightlife has really changed.

DS: Is there not an audience for it anymore?
 * MH: There’s always an audience for it!

'''DS: Why wouldn’t they cultivate a scene? Everybody is still here.'''
 * MH: You can’t compete with a real estate developer.  So places like these are being bought up and being turned into condos or WholeFoods.  It’s not just about the audience, it’s about the actual pushing out of the artists and performance spaces, pushing them further and further out of the city.  People still come to my shows and people still go out every night to see shows.  It’s just more spread out.

DS: Manhattan was always so central, do you think Brooklyn can fulfill that role or is the central-ness gone?
 * MH: I think it’s an era that’s gone, but there’s a lot of activity happening in Brooklyn.  I live in Brooklyn, but I used to never perform there.  But I performed there twice last week.  I used to go to Manhattan every weekend, but now I stay in Brooklyn.

DS: What kinds of places are cultivating the scene there and by whom?
 * MH: Larry Tee is somebody who is trying to keep things alive.  He has a couple parties he has started up in Brooklyn.  He started the electroclash movement in Williamsburg.  There’s Music Hall.  Union Pool.  Sugarland.  Northsix, which they just changed the name to Galapagos.  Luna Lounge is in Brooklyn now.


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Talk:Murray Hill on the life and versatility of a New York drag king

Original Reporting notes
In person interview conducted October 8, 2007 in New York City. --David Shankbone 22:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Typo in wikilink, first line
First line Priscilla, Queen of the Dessert should read Priscilla, Queen of the Desert or if you want to be really correct; The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. 62.56.77.118 18:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC) (w:User:Vanderdecken on en-wp)
 * fixed. Perhaps David thought Priscilla was tasty. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 18:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Another typo
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The article says 'in awhile'. Either this quote is correct and [sic] should be added; or the quote is incorrect and it should be 'in a while'. Van der Hoorn (talk) 16:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Chávez warns oil prices could double if US invades Iran

November 19, 2007 The president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, warned that the price of crude oil could reach $200 per barrel "if the United States committed the madness of invading Iran", or attacked his country.

Chávez made this statement in the act of opening the third Summit of Chiefs of State of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).

Mr. Chávez pleaded that OPEC should adopt a more political agenda and requested "that the threats against the countries" of the organization should stop. He said that $100 dollars per barrel was a "fair" price and remembered that when he assumed presidency of Venezuela in 1999, the price went up to about ten dollars.

The prices of raw oil approached $100 last week before settling down again. Some observers think it is possible that the $100 barrier may be broken. During the trading session following this two-day summit, that is expected to result in the "Declaration of Riyadh", the price of petroleum rose $0.80 in the New York market and $0.66 in London.


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Two students in Germany accused of plotting a school attack

November 19, 2007

Two students from Cologne, Germany, ages 17 and 18, are accused of plotting an attack at their school on November 20, the first anniversary of the shooting at Geschwister Scholl school in Emsdetten, in which 18-year old ex-student Sebastian Bosse carried an attack that left six people wounded by gunshot and others wounded by detonated smoke bombs before taking his own life.

One of the suspects, age 17, killed himself on Friday after a confrontation with a high school teacher and police officers. The plot was uncovered when a school principal had discovered a Web page the 17-year old suspect had created, showcasing material that glorified the two perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre.

The second suspect, age 18, is in police custody, and has confessed to the plot.

Materials including two crossbows, two air guns, instructions on how to build a pipe bomb and a list of potential victims had been seized by Cologne police when they were alerted that the plot would have taken place at the Georg-Büchner Gymnasium, located in the western district of Weiden. The items had been confiscated at their homes.


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Ukrainian coal mine explodes, killing 68

November 19, 2007

An explosion in a coal mine has killed at least 80 people in the city of Donetsk, Ukraine, while 20 people are reported missing.

According to reports transmitted by the local press and the Emergency Situations Department, 360 miners managed to get to the surface safely; 28 others are currently hospitalized, some with severe burns.

The Zasyadko mine is nearly 1,000 meters deep, and 457 people were in the mine when the explosion occurred at 3:11 am.

The cause of the explosion is still unknown. Initial reports suggest that the explosion was caused by methane mixing with the air in the mine.

During the afternoon, more than thirty rescue teams were found at the scene, wearing hard hats and oxygen tanks as they prepared to enter the mine.

Relatives of the victims gathered around the entrance to the mine, awaiting news of their loved ones. Officials read the names of those confirmed as dead.

The Prime Minister of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, responded to the scene; the president of the country, Viktor Yushchenko, will visit the area this Monday.

"I am grieving with all of Ukraine", declared the Ukrainian head of state. He also criticized the government, saying that the mining industry has been a victim of "insufficient efforts".

With obsolete installations and poor construction, Ukraine has been a victim of various mining accidents in the past. According to union estimations, between 2006 and 2007 nearly 250 miners died in accidents.


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Comments:Two students in Germany accused of plotting a school attack

I am curious. Does lighting fireworks and pointing it in someone's face in an educational facility count as an 'attack'? Contralya 08:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Depending on what happened after the pointing, it would probably be assault or worse, at a guess. Are you suggesting that pointing a firework at someone could be compared to this though...? --86.148.122.46 19:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC).

Why collect the air guns? What would they have done with them, force students to play dead when shot with paint balls? Cross bows are mildly threatening, but while good for hunting the significant reload time makes them pretty useless in this kind of context. The instructions for pipe bombs-well, I imagine just about every teenage boy has that in some form. None of those items really indicate anything menacing. I do not doubt the psychological problems of the two boys though, especially given the one boy killed himself. The boys made threats, and people are nervous. That seems to be the reality here. It seems strange to consider this as a viable threat to the school. Seems the media is making so much out of this because of the recent news from Finland. Just strange overall. 66.157.100.253 05:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/November 19, 2007

Introduction
This is the Audio Wikinews Brief, weekend review for November 19, 2007

Two students in Germany accused of plotting a school attack
Two students from Cologne, Germany, ages 17 and 18, are accused of allegedly plotting an attack at their school on November 20, the first anniversary of the shooting at Geschwister Scholl in Emsdetten, in which 18-year old ex-student Sebastian Bosse carried an attack that left six people wounded by gunshot and others wounded by detonated smoke bombs before taking his own life.

One of the suspects, age 17, killed himself on Friday during a confrontation with a high school teacher and a police officer. The plot was uncovered when a school principal had discovered a Web page the 17-year old suspect had created, showcasing material that glorified the two perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre.

Ukrainian coal mine explodes, killing 68
An explosion in a coal mine has killed at least 68 people in the city of Donetsk, Ukraine, while 37 people are reported missing.

According to reports transmitted by the local press and the Emergency Situations Department, 360 miners managed to get to the surface safely; 28 others are currently hospitalized, some with severe burns.

The Zasyadko mine is nearly 1,000 meters deep, and 456 people were in the mine when the explosion occurred at 3:11 am.

The cause of the explosion is still unknown. Initial reports suggest that the explosion was caused by methane mixing with the air in the mine.

During the afternoon, more than thirty rescue teams were found at the scene, wearing hard hats and oxygen tanks as they prepared to enter the mine.

Lula: Venezuela "does not lack democracy"
In statements to the press on November 14, the president of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, defended the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, and minimized the incident between him and the King of Spain, Juan Carlos I during the 17th Ibero-American Summit in Chile.

Dutch Justice Department bans Wikipedia for employees following vandalism
A spokesperson for the Justice Department in the Netherlands has confirmed to the Dutch magazine Intermediair that it will temporarily suspend access to Wikipedia for its 30,000 employees, following recently revealed vandalism by staff members.

The magazine has confronted the department with some untasteful edits which originated from their IP addresses. Anonymous users are registered through these unique internet fingerprints when they edit Wikipedia. The magazine exposed the vandalism through Wikiscanner.nl, a website which combines a database of Wikipedia alterations with a server database from large institutions. The site can be used to reveal which organisations are behind anonymous Wikipedia editors.

The controversial edits included topics such as the murder of controversial filmmaker Theo van Gogh, Jesus Christ, pop stars, witchcraft, and Donald Duck. Because of legal limitations on the time internet activity can be stored, it will probably not be possible to find out who exactly committed the vandalism, a spokesperson said.

UN's Third Commission passes resolution condemning capital punishment
On Friday, the United Nations General Assembly's Third Commission passed resolution L29 against capital punishment; the project was presented by New Zealand and Brazil, and was defended vigorously by Italy. With 99 votes in favor, 52 against and 33 abstentions, the necessary majority was met, needed in order to pass the resolution.

Closing
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Wikinews:CommonsTicker/20071119

19 November

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User talk:Odder

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Speedy
Yeah sorry about that - seems i didnt check the timeline of events - sorry --Mark Talk to me 18:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
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I'm sorry, but as an election committee member I'm going to have to remove your vote. The voting requirements state that you had to have had at least 250 mainspace edits before July 1, and you seem to be short of the requirement. I regret to have to do it, but you do not seem to qualify for the vote. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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I reviewed your article and published it. Best, ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 22:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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I've written an apology, primarily directed at yourself, into the 'contentious' discussion on the Water Cooler.

But, it's things like this: "[...] the incident, late last month, where the image on our number one lead was deleted from commons — the single most prominent image on the main page, other perhaps than the banner across the top [...]" (emphasis added) which infuriate myself and other Wikinewsies who only casually use Commons.

Depending on timing, we could've ended up with a redlink on the main page for hours before someone who could fix it noticed. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:24, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

We haven't seen you.....
....in quite some time! You still around??--Bddpaux (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:UN's Third Commission passes resolution condemning capital punishment

The Mark Dean Schwab case seems bit out of place here. --SVTCobra 13:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Execution, by any method, is capital punishment. If I recall correctly the U.S. is the only country in the G8 that still has a death penalty. Too late to explain properly why it is relevant though. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


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Comments:Magnitude 7.7 earthquake strikes Antofagasta, Chile

I lived in Chile for about 14 year and Ive never felt a big earthquake only small ones and I cant imagine what it feels like to live through this natural disaster. All my support goes to the families of the people that lost everything. !Vamos Chile que si te la Puedes!


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Spanish King's 'shut up' to Chávez becomes ringtone

November 19, 2007

The angry "Why don't you shut up?" that King Juan Carlos I of Spain uttered against Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez a week ago on Saturday has apparently reached a cult status in Spain and Venezuela.

A mobile phone ringtone remix of the quote text has been downloaded 500,000 times (generating some €1.5 million revenues). The ringtone features a voice actor (avoiding legal issues) with beats and a loop effect emphasising the 'shut up'. A student group from the Venezuelan capital of Caracas which opposes the President has downloaded the ringtone too. "It's a form of protest, it's something that a lot of people would like to tell the president. Now, whenever we call each other, that's what we hear," said Laura Solorzano, 21, in a telephone interview with the Miami Herald.

Today, the internet domain name of the quote was sold on eBay for €10,200 to a Spanish power seller called 'daikoku-design'. Juan Antonio Morales, 34, of Almería, Spain, had reserved the domain shortly after news of the dispute broke. The video on YouTube has been viewed over 1.3 million times, and there are numerous parodies using the quote. T-shirts and coffee mugs with the slogan are also selling well. The phrase has also become notable enough to merit an article on Wikipedia.

At the Ibero-American summit in Santiago, Chile on November 10, Chávez called the Spain's former prime minister, José María Aznar, a "fascist". Current Prime Minister of Spain José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero tried to reply, but Chávez, although his microphone was switched off, kept interrupting him. The Spanish King first pointed a finger at Mr. Chávez, with the words "Y tu" (and you). Then, while Zapatero still tried to reply, he said “¿Por qué no te callas?” while making a gesture with his hand. Note that the King used the informal 'te callas' instead of the formal and polite third-person form. Zapatero finally replied that "...in a forum where there are democratic governments ... one of the essential principles is respect. You can disagree radically, without being disrespectful." '

The rare outburst of the King has led to some disturbance in political relations between the countries; Chávez demanded an apology from the King but said he did not want a political conflict with Spain, while Spanish diplomats hope the situation will soon normalise. The Spanish PM stressed the incident was magnified by of the media attention it received. In statements to the press, the president of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, minimized the incident between Hugo Chávez and the King of Spain: "There is little difference in opinion between King Juan Carlos and Chavez. There are many other differences between heads of State. Divergence is part of a democratic meeting."

The situation brings attention to changes Chávez has proposed to the Venezuelan constitution, which would lift the restriction on the number of terms for the President of Venezuela.