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 * again :(. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yesterday was even funnier... They went every way possible. So colourful! - Julián (reply) 20:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

It will all be better after 2012, trust me ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

it's fine by me
it's fine by me 89.123.61.20 12:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:McCain volunteer fakes mutilation by Obama supporter

Shameful
Nevermind that what she did was done with hate, racism, and political intention, but the entire right wing pounced on it and started screaming that Obama supporters and liberals without even looking at the obvious signs it was untrue. Shameful. --Poisonous (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Give us a link to where "The entire right wing pounced on it and started screaming that Obama supporters and liberals without even looking at the obvious signs it was untrue." Your post is the only comment I've seen relating to this. --BLaafg (talk) 21:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The blogosphere, mainly. Here's an excellent example. http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2268#comment-372426 But if you're asking me to go out and find every single blog, comment, video, etc, I've seen relating to it, you think I have way too much time on my hands to prove something to one person on the internet. Just look around and you'll see. --Poisonous (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait...she lied??
Then give her a cabinet position! She fits right in with the GOP! McSame-Failin' '08!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.175.146 (talk) 22:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Signs of desperation -- that woman needs help
That entire story was loaded with too many coincidences from the start. This woman needs psychiatric treatment. I hope she gets it now. 66.20.174.108 23:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

It is shameful that anyone makes up news at a time like the present. What will happen if our country divides and racism resurfaces to the level felt during the Racial Riots? Is this race truly about the office of the Presidency? Are the chosen ones running for the good of the society? If so, where are the proposals that gain merit as answers to problems to the economy, healthcare and jobs here at home? Why is there only outlandish promises that our country could never afford nor any health insurance company absorb in relation to costs. Was our country not founded on the premise of Freedom to Worship? I feel that integrity is challenged. I fear that my rights are soon to be dissolved into a hodgepodge to protect the rights of others that somehow represent questionable forms of integrity. Would the man that coined the phrase "I have a dream" ever dream that we will defend the rights of others to display their affections publicly among those of us that would never secretly display these behaviors yet we must quieten our beliefs so they can display their belief? Where are the ones to protect my civil rights as a Mother of daughters. Who protects my grandchildren from a society so bizarre that there is only a whisper of what we once were allowed to be proud of as American Citizens. Where and when will we ever be allowed again to consider ourselves people of Integrity, God Fearing. Now we only fear one another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.6.38.58 (talk) 02:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, I would like to see Criminal Charges laid
It seems to be a thing with women that they can make un-substantiated claims of abuse, attacks and what-not and they are believed by police officers and the judicial system, without ANY proof. Make these people accountable for their dodgy statements. (Trumpy (talk) 10:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC))

The judicial system? What are you talking about? Anyway, the girl already had the reluctant look of liar on the photo that appeared of her all over the media and I'm really glad they figured her out. She did the Obama a big favor by outing all the two-faced lying bastards in the McCain campaign and the way the hardcore GOPs relate to the concept of truth. And if you think that by twisted scheme she was working for the Obama campaign to frame McCain'ers, think again. She was reported to have recruited many supporters to the McCain campaign over the summer. --85.82.179.226 11:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * One thing that everyone really needs to be careful of is to not judge a whole group by the actions of one individual. Dividing people into groups of any sort of classification, whether it be political, racial, spiritual, intellectual, financial, etc. is akin to racism which, of all the classifications I can think of at the moment, is the most taboo at the moment.  Allow me to make a bit of an analogy.  Say we pull back and group all humans together as a species.  Would you condemn all of humanity by the actions of one man?  Would you say that all humans are vile vicious animals, just because there have been individuals in history that have committed such atrocities?  It seems awfully unfair to me.  When you judge a group through the actions of a single individual, you begin to associate that judgment  with other individuals to who may not deserve it.  What we need to do is see our neighbors and the people we see in the news and on the street as individual people, each with their own unique traits, opinions, experiences and eccentricities.  I feel sorry for this woman.  It is true that what she did was very immoral, but the worst thing is not that she blamed a fictitious crime on an African-American, nor is it that she blamed it upon a supporter of Obama.  The worst thing is that she fabricated a crime at all.  I hope this woman receives good help, and that people won't judge others because of the actions of one individual. --96.252.61.169 17:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * eh, there are some problems with your analogy. One easy difference I see between criticizing someone based on their race or their political beliefs is that one ostensibly CHOOSES their political beliefs, religion, etc...  I don't condemn someone for belonging to the human race because they had no choice in the matter.  I do condemn people who choose to join groups who's beliefs/tactics I disagree with, and I would condemn a group if they knowingly harbor "evil" individuals and condone their actions within the group.  If the white race and the McCain supporters don't want to be tarred with the same brush I'll happily paint Ashley Todd with, then they should come out and publicly condemn her actions.  I hope she receives assistance from the mental health community, but I also hope she gets punished for her acts.  Wasting the time of the police with false reports is illegal down there, is it not?67.193.146.210 19:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

No one made her do it? Come on!
I don't buy that. Someone somewhere is being a little desperate, and tried to do something. I don't think this woman did this on her own. Someone made her do it to smear the Obama campaign.

As for the woman, let us all scream for blood. This is intolerable. 70.190.243.86 17:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * BLOOD!!! Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Racist
Had to be an attack from "an african american" huh?

Do we still live in 1900? Her parents should be ashamed. Of themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.88.233.234 (talk) 01:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Typical
Sounds like she was enacting some kind of fantasy of hers, letting other people believe in it to strengthen their shared beliefs. No matter how many 'good' republicans there are, where I'm from all I see are people like this, who either can't admit it or are TOO vocal in admitting they are afraid of black people, or just plain don't like.. or even hate them. It's to the point where it doesn't surprise me anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.186.96.47 (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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Mother, brother of singer Jennifer Hudson found murdered, others reported missing

October 25, 2008 In what appears to be a domestic disturbance, the mother and brother of American singer and Academy Award winning actress Jennifer Hudson were shot and killed in their home in Chicago, Illinois. Hudson's nephew has also been reported kidnapped from the crime scene and his mother cannot be located.

Hudson's mother, Darnell Donerson, and brother, Jason, were found dead at about 2:44 p.m. (CDT) in Southern Chicago. Reports indicate that a relative found the bodies and called 9-1-1. Police say that there is no evidence of forced entry into the house.

An AMBER Alert has been issued for Julian King, the 7-year-old nephew of Hudson. Police say that he was taken from the scene in a 1994 white Chevrolet Suburban or a teal-green Chrysler Concorde. Police previously thought it likely that the boy was with William Balfour, whose relationship to Hudson or her family is not yet known, except that he listed Hudson's mother's address as a place of residence with the Illinois Department of Corrections. Balfour is currently in police custody and is being questioned, but King was not with him. Police say that the AMBER Alert remains in effect.

TMZ.com reports that Balfour is currently on parole from serving time in prison for attempted murder. Authorities consider him armed and dangerous. TMZ also notes that Hudson's sister Julia, Julian's mother, cannot be located and has not been seen since she ended her bus driving shift earlier in the day.

Unconfirmed reports have stated that Hudson was not at the house at the time of the incident. While some reports indicate that she was in Los Angeles, California where she was scheduled to begin filming a new music video on Monday, Agence France-Presse says that Hudson was in Tampa, Florida, and is now on her way back to Chicago.


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 * I also stand by this article through edit 714844. --SVTCobra 03:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

"others" missing
are there more people missing? I only know of "Julian King" --SVTCobra 03:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The article says JK's mother cannot be found.

Title
Please, please, please! Stop trying to tell the entire story in the headline. This is a dreadfully long title which is a very American thing to do. There should be a concentrated effort to ensure that as many titles as possible will fit on one line if put up in the lead 2-4 positions. This could have been "Oscar actress's family in fatal shooting", or something like that. From my point of view, I'd never heard of Jennifer Hudson.

Post-Script. She's a Chav! She has a Burberry scarf! --Brian McNeil / talk 08:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, but the style guide says that Who, What, Where should always be included in the title. Who? Jennifer Hudson. What? Family Murdered. Where? US (as general as possible for international audience). Therefore the correct, shortest title would be: "American singer Jeniffer Hudson's family murdered". Gopher65talk 23:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Mother, brother of singer Jennifer Hudson found murdered, others reported missing

I was so moved by Jennifer's performance in Dreamgirls and would love to meet her. My prayers are with her on her recent tragedy. Seems like people with the most beautiful "souls" suffer the most in this world. Jackie Simmons, Sun Prairie, WI

Please Pray for Jennifer and her family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.13.66 (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:(
What a sad time for Ms.Hudson and her family! I will keep them all in my prayers and may God be with them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.67.170.126 (talk) 15:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

thats funny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.10.76 (talk) 21:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I dnt think whoever shot them should have done that poor jennifer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.18.222 (talk) 23:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

so sad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.192.184.59 (talk) 03:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

HELLO SORRY ABOUT YOUR MONTH ER AND BROTHER OR LIL BOY

AND LOVE YOU MY HOME GRIL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.94.9 (talk) 05:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

what's happening to our star i feel really sorry and hope she could get through this hard time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.47.82 (talk) 10:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

JUST PREY ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!! HE WILL BRING YOU THROUGH ANYTHING
i think it is a mess i dont know how the other family is taking it but i hope that they can get through it and try to be strong for tha family and as for jennifer i can understand how you are feeling i lost a couple of people that were very important to me mainly my father i lost my father at a young age me and my father was really close but when he died the whole family had lost touch for a couple of months but we are back togther im going to prey for the hudson family and that they would get through it and just know that God is on your side and he will fix everything it might not be when you want it but trust me its comming and for the person who commited this awful tragdy just know God has somthing in store for you and the last thing is want to say is to the hudson family i know your hearts are feeling heavey and low but try to keep your head up and always remember that God is on your side and most of america is preying for you from: keenah brown from tupelo mississippi LOVE AND PEACE BE WITH YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.186.4 (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I feel so sorry for Jennifer Hudson dat is my girl. She is the best singer and actress out there right now. I will pray for you every night and I hope you and your family will take it easy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.84.195 (talk) 15:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

wow!
Jennifer did it! She killed them all!

I DONT LIKE
girl i am so sorry i am from Jamaica and my name is Kirk and when i found out i ciyd i am a on employ and need a job i can do acting ,sing and dance .can i be your assistant call me 18764737654 love u always —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.27.68.189 (talk) 19:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The Hudson Muders
Award winner Jennifer Hudson mother, brother, and nephew were shot and killed in side there home.This is really sad for people because they love Jennifer Hudson and her family

The Hudson Muders
Award winner Jennifer Hudson mother, brother, and nephew were shot and killed in side there home.This is really sad for people because they love Jennifer Hudson and her family

sad
this is sad

The Hudson Muders
Award winner Jennifer Hudson s mother,brother,and nephew were shot and killed.this is sad for fans because they love Jennifer Hudson and her family

The Hudson Muders
Award winner Jennifer Hudson mother,brother,and nephew were shot and killed.this is sad for fans because they love Jennifer Hudson and her family

they died —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.160.198 (talk) 23:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

why —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.160.198 (talk) 23:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Poor Child
That poor child i hope dey find him RIP JASON AND DARNELL

Comments from feedback form - "It's an ok article"
It's an ok article —68.158.0.173 (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Y'all are haters
She didn't do it. It happens to anyone, my condolences to the family. Shame that David Jr will no longer see his grandmother. RIP to Jhud's mom. 🙏🙏🙏🙏 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.114.170.206 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


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Judge demands better conditions in Maricopa County Jail, Arizona; both sides claim victory

October 25, 2008 A judge has ruled that the conditions in Maricopa County Jail, Arizona, which is run by the controversial sheriff Joe Arpaio, are unsanitary, and must be changed.

The ruling stated that some of the actions in the jail were unconstitutional, in particular, the court stated that that inmates had a constitutional right to be given space for outdoor recreation and be kept at a reasonable level of health.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) hailed the decision as a victory. "In a sweeping rebuff of an attempt by Arpaio to terminate a federal consent decree mandating that he maintain conditions at the Maricopa County Jail that meet constitutional minimums, Judge Neil Wake ordered that jail officials ensure that all detainees receive necessary medical and mental health care, that they be given uninterrupted access to all medicines prescribed by correctional medical staff, that they be given access to toilets, sinks, toilet paper and soap and that they be served food that meets or exceeds the U.S. Department of Agriculture's dietary guidelines," they said in a press release.

"Judge Wake's decision should serve as a reminder that even a man who brags about being the toughest sheriff in America has to abide by the Constitution."

Despite this, Arpaio also claimed victory. In contradiction to the ACLU's claims, he stated that the changes ordered were only minor. He also described the ruling as a recommendation, not an order.

The controversial sheriff also stated that “I became Sheriff well over a decade after this case was first filed. Still I have always maintained that we run a safe and constitutionally adequate jail system. This judgment reinforces the excellent work being performed by the detention staff and we all are always committed to improving the jail system wherever possible.”


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Basically the OR consists of reading through he poimary source court documents, cited in the source section and available at http://www.azd.uscourts.gov/azd/courtinfo.nsf/DBD9D963D05115AB072574EA00791DBB/$file/77-0479-1634.pdf?openelement. Thanks, Anonymous101talk 09:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


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No soap? No meds?
Welcome to the dark ages, likely brought to you by some redneck with sunglasses with mirrors on the inside. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Fuck them
They lost all their rights when they broke the law. --66.229.17.181 13:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Human rights are inalienable. Drag yourself out of the dark ages, sit in the corner, and polish the callouses on your knuckles. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Brianmc but a murder and rapist has no Human rights. You call it the dark ages i call it Justices. They used up are tax dollars then as soon they leave the system they end up right back in it. They should not have all the little toys they get while honest working people are suffering.--66.229.17.181 15:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then, in an opinion I will not refer to as humble, you are no better than the convicted criminal. Everyone has human rights. Treat someone like dirt, make them live in dirt, deny them medical care, and of course they will - upon release - think that is a "normal" way to treat other human beings. Jail is supposed to rehabilitate where possible, not just be "lock 'em up for X years then let 'em out to do the same again". --Brian McNeil / talk 16:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I disagree, I see your argument, but do you honestly believe all these people are murders/rapists. Some are probably people who have taken illegal drugs and never harmed anyone. Some might be like that 80 year old women who has been threatened with arrest for not converting her third bedroom to a garage (as it was a garage five decades ago or something). Anonymous101talk 16:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I urge everyone to try this. Take a picture of Joe Arpaio, and photoshop a Hitler mustache on him. He looks awfully like a fat mustacheless version of Hitler, and holds alot of the same values. This guy wouldnt be tough at all if you took his badge away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

"You call it the dark ages i call it Justices. "

Youre everything about the new age that needs to be flushed down the toilet, people who rape and murder are products of this system of living which has owned the same justice system throughout, so technically its partly because of this justice system which causes people to mentally screw up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.226.106 (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * People who rape and murder are not like me. You offer no solution and seem to think this medieval torture chamber treatment is the answer. I presume you also are a vocal advocate of the death penalty; a measure that the rest of the civilised world has abandoned as it cannot be undone. Gandhi said it best, "An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind". If anything needs flushed down the toilet it is attitudes like yours, they're from a different century, a dark time, and show a total lack of understanding of measures that can be employed to make people less likely to reoffend.
 * You claim it is "Justices" - I assume you mean "Justice". When you can't even spell it I doubt you would know true justice if it jumped in an eighteen-wheeler truck and backed over you. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a son that has been in the Maricopa County Durango and Tent City jails for almost 3 weeks. He has a serious disease that he contracted in Iraq during one of his tours called Leishmaniasis. Although they have been notified of the dangers and seriousness of the illness, they are not treating him. He has lesions that cover his entire body and his health is continuing to deteriorate. In the first week he lost nearly 10 pounds due to the poor quality of food and nutrition that he is recieving. His health is continuing to break down as his immune system is not being properly supported. We both continue to complain and have asked for medical treatment but are being told that they don't have the ability to treat his illness there. These open lesions can contibute to his ability to take on other diseases that can be carried through skin contact. They will continue to 'watch' him..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.119.107 (talk) 16:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


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Two Spanish train stations bombed

October 25, 2008

Two train stations in Spain have been bombed. No-one was injured in the attacks on the Basque-area buildings, but there was some damage.

At 12:30 a.m. Saturday a small bomb described as being comprised of a mixture of explosives detonated in the ticket hall of the station in Berriz, bringing down the ceiling. This was followed by two homemade bombs being thrown at ticket machines at Amorebieta's train station at 2:30.

Police cordoned off Amorebieta's station as a precaution. No claim of responsibility has been made, but one report comments that the Basque regional government had intended to hold a referendum today before being blocked from doing so last month by the Constitutional Court of Spain.

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Barack Obama elected 44th President of the United States

November 5, 2008 The 2008 Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, 47, is projected to win at least 349 electoral votes, more than enough to clinch the Presidency of the United States. Obama is the first African American to be elected President in U.S. history. His Republican opponent, Arizona senator John McCain is projected to win at least 173 electoral votes. McCain has phoned Obama to concede the election. Obama officially became the President-elect when John McCain issued his concession speech shortly after 9:00PM Mountain Time. The Electoral College will officially elect Obama on December 15 and he will be inaugurated as the 44th President on January 20, 2009 at noon.

"We have come to the end of a long journey. The American people have spoken and spoken clearly. This is an historic election and I realize the significance this has for African-Americans [...] Let there be no reason now, for any American should fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth," said McCain at a final event in Arizona.

Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. from Kenya and Ann Dunham from Wichita, Kansas. He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. He graduated from high school in 1979 and attended Occidental College and Columbia University, receiving his B.A. in political science in 1983. Afterwards he moved to Chicago and worked as a community organizer.

He enrolled in Harvard Law School in 1988, became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, and graduated magna cum laude in 1991. He returned to Chicago, lecturing at the University of Chicago and practicing as a civil rights attorney.

He was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1997, and became the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senator from Illinois in March 2004. The following July, he delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, catapulting him into the national spotlight.

He won election to the U.S. Senate with 70% of the vote. On February 20, 2007 he announced his candidacy for President and clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3, 2008, after a tense primary battle with Hillary Clinton. Obama is married to Michelle née Robinson, with whom he has two daughters.

Victory speech
At 05:00 UTC, Obama commemorated his victory with a speech to thousands in Chicago. He launched the speech by stating that his victory shows the power of democracy, the people and the United States. He then stated that people voted for him because "people believe this time must be different."

The new president-elect then praised the McCain campaign team for their work, before stating that the time for change has come.

Obama then thanked people for their work in ensuring the victory. He thanked his family, and said that even though his grandmother has passed away, she would be watching his victory from heaven. He also thanked his campaign organizer, chief strategist and staff members who ensured his victory in this election. Obama then thanked the people who have donated or volunteered for his campaign.

The new leader then said that an Obama government is a government of the people, for the people and by the people, before warning that there would be a long steep road ahead for his office, and stating that all his goals may not even be achieved in one term.

He then pledged to be honest as leader before stating that the victory is not change, but an opportunity for change, and that people must work to achieve this in this "new dawn of American leadership."He added, "change is coming to America" while speaking in front of 65,000 people.

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Djibouti says war with Eritrea is inevitable unless UN intervenes

October 25, 2008

Djibouti and Eritrea have spoken to the United Nations security council on Thursday to discuss a border dispute. Djibouti has said that unless the UN intervenes there will be war.

The dispute dates back to June when violence erupted between the nations in the border region of. The resulting clashes killed an estimated 35 people. The unmarked border remains disputed, and the nations have built up troops on each side of the border, keeping the situation tense.

Djibouti's ambassador to the UN, Roble Olhaye, has accused Eritrea of avoiding mediation on the problem. Djibouti's President told the UN security council "Continued inaction in whatever form not only will encourage but will benefit Eritrea's attitude. This would only give my country one option, the option of war."

The Eritrean ambassador to the UN, Araya Desta, claimed to have peaceful intentions and that his nation had no wishes to take new territory. He claimed his country desired "the cultivation of good neighbourly relations with Djibouti," and said that "Contrary to the claims made, Eritrea has not taken any land that belongs to Djibouti and it does not have any territorial ambitions."

Desta accused Ethiopia of worsening the situation by preparing military forces to help Djibouti. "Ethiopia has built from the Djiboutian side a network of winding roads up the mount and deployed offensive long-range artillery and heavy equipment directed at Eritrea," he said. Olhaye dismissed the idea of Ethiopia's involvement with the claim "Whatever the Eritrean ambassador has said is hogwash."

The UN security council has urged both nations to show restraint; it was the UN who called on the nations to agree to a ceasefire in June.


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Israeli coalition talks degenerate after Shas departure

October 24, 2008

Israel's said yesterday that it would not be joining the coalition proposed by the current Foreign Minister and Prime Minister-designate. The ultra-Orthodox right-wing party, which is the fourth largest in the, claims that the coalition has been unwilling to meet its two demands; increasing child allowances and having a no compromise view on Israel's sovereignty over.

Ms. Livni has already sealed talks with the and some smaller parties, giving her 48 supporting MKs. But she needs at least 61 to get a majority in the 120-member Knesset, and the coalition must have been formed by November 3rd. So the refusal of Shas, which has 12 MKs, to join, comes as a major blow to her attempts. reports that Livni is now entering talks with the left-wing and the ultra-Orthodox, whose admissions would boost the supporter count to 66, easily enough to forge the alliance.

The leader of Shas, which was a member of the last governing coalition, stated on Friday that the decision of his party's Council of Torah Sages not to join was final, adding that "Shas cannot be bought. We will stick to our goals and principles." Despite this,, an MK from the party, which elected Livni as its leader after the corruption-based end to 's premiership, said that "I do not see this as the end of the story with Shas. I think we can still find a creative formula for Jerusalem and bring them back."

Livni's negotiation style has come under fire of late, political columnist writing that he believes she has involved herself too personally and "has a tendency to impose deadlines when they are not necessary." Indeed her imposition of a deadline for parties to join the coalition, set for tomorrow, was criticised from an official from her own party, who said: "Livni has already been granted a 14-day extension from  to assemble a coalition, so she may as well have waited a bit with the ultimatum".

If Ms. Livni does fail in preparing the alliance, the decision will be down to President Peres whether to nominate a different Knesset member to try to create a coalition, or to call an election. If one were held, claims, polls show that the main beneficiary would be ex-Prime Minister and  leader.


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Referendum?
On what? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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This is South Ossetia All Over Again
It seems small nations are like small dogs, they feel they are much larger and more powerful than they really are. Granted Eritrea is only a small nation itself, but it does have about 9 times the population of Djibouti. Djibouti on the other hand has a lot of powerful friends and will be potrayed as the victim even if they started the war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.6.41 (talk) 21:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Desta accused Ethiopia of worsening the situation by preparing military forces to help Djibouti. "Ethiopia has built from the Djiboutian side a network of winding roads up the mount and deployed offensive long-range artillery and heavy equipment directed at Eritrea," he said.

i dont belive this was the case desta accused ethiopia of starting the military buildup along the three countrys border on may 2008, not to help djibouti but to attack eritrea for her own agenda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.145.225.94 (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

What if
XDAR: Do you think this is just a reason to take land from Eritrea as a justification for Djibouti? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.170.192.21 (talk) 13:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Eritrea has won its place after more than 30 years of fighting, Ethiopian operatives in Djibouti can't change that by advocating war between these neighbors. Punish all aggressors. 65.1.135.117 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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UK mountain run abandoned as participants seek shelter from appalling conditions

October 25, 2008

A fell running event, the Original Mountain Marathon, has been abandoned under appalling weather conditions, which left a number of competitors stranded.

The event's abandonment was confirmed (according to web reports) at midday by race director Jen Longbottom.

The disruption of the event that occurred at the top of one of the highest mountains in the Borrowdale Valley (a region of the UK's Lake District) left hundreds of runners stranded due to flooding.

The runners were taking part in the Original Mountain Marathon (OMM), until flooding and heavy rain forced them to stop. Around three hundred people were forced to take shelter at the nearby Honister Slate Mine.

"The weather is absolutely horrendous and it's a scene of chaos up here," stated Mark Weir, the owner of the slate mine. "I believe there were up to about two thousand people who entered this race and I advised the organizers not to go ahead with the event."

"The mountain rescue teams are still trying to account for everyone," added Weir. "We have had people coming in throughout the day in pretty bad states. They are dripping wet through and very cold. Our staff are helping to transport them off the mountain pass and down to Cockermouth where the emergency services are taking over. But we need more help and more buses as there are still plenty of people up here."

12 people have suffered from hypothermia, and one of them has been taken to the nearby Cumberland Infirmary Hospital for treatment.


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Review
--Brian McNeil / talk 20:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Eye Witness accounts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/7691338.stm ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

http://www.grough.co.uk/view/2008/10/26/all-back-safe-as-media-storm-follows-omm-weekend/ 21:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

http://www.johnlaughlin.co.uk/?p=167 21:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Fell?
"A fell running event..." What does that mean? I'm confused. —Calebrw (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * From Wikipedia, Fell: "Fell (from the Old Norse fjall, 'mountain') is a word used to refer to mountains, or certain types of mountainous landscape, in Scandinavia, the Isle of Man, and parts of England.". Basically it's a race run in mountainous terrain. -- Arwel (talk) 22:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I added to the article to avoid similar confusion. —Calebrw (talk) 03:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

First edit on Wikinews
Hi, I added some extra comments and links that referenced the experience of participants not just the media comments. First time I have added to Wikinews so hope its OK! johnellis (talk)
 * hi there. firstly welcome to wikinews :)  unfortunately though, due to the nature of news and wikinews article edits are not accepted after 24hrs of the article first being published, and therefore the edit that you completed recently has now been removed.  if you are willing and have enough content then please do feel free to create a new article as a follow up to this one. regards --Mark Talk to me 21:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize actually. I didn't welcome the new user and didn't explain why I reverted. Entirely my fault. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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Orson Scott Card, a self-identifying Democrat, reported in his Rhinocerous Times column that Democrats are to blame for the housing crisis and not Bush, McCain and Republicans. Card reserved his greatest criticism for journalists who he asserts have been dishonest by actively promoting a "big fat lie" and being complacent in criticizing Bush, McCain and Republicans instead of Pelosi (and others), though the Republicans were the victims of Pelosi's lies.

Card claims that if Republicans had been the ones lying, journalists would have picked up on it quickly and condemned it swiftly in the press instead of keeping quiet. Card asserted his claims by reporting law changes made by Democrats during the Clinton administration were retained despite fierce opposition by some members of the Republican party. Card named Senator Christopher Dodd (D.) and Congressman Barney Frank (D.) as being particularly outspoken in their efforts to prevent federal intervention in the matter, and "were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed". Card went on to say "If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama."

Other Democrats have also noted that the Democratic Party has been behind the economic crisis; Alec Baldwin, for example, has pointed out that the changes made during the Clinton administration led up to the current crisis.

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 * Next time, please address all stylistic issues at once. Would make things much easier.  Jade Knight (talk) 11:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching my misquote: the original article said "the lie", not "this lie"; I've corrected accordingly. I'm somewhat confused: you tell me to find more sources, and then you tell me you don't like my sources.  If you could please point me to the WikiNews policy which states exactly how many sources of what kind are needed, I'll gladly do my best to comply; unfortunately, I can't find the relevant policy myself.  Otherwise, if  you could find the sources you're looking for which you think this article lacks, that would be great.  Jade Knight (talk) 11:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Title
As a FYI, we do not use camel case titles. This is in the style guide section on headlines. I will rename appropriately. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what "Camel Case" means. I'm familiar with the terms upstyle, downstyle, sentence-caps, title-caps, etc.  Mind explaining?  Jade Knight (talk) 11:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, Wikipedia to the rescue. I clearly wasn't using camel case.  Thanks for introducing me to a new term, though.  Jade Knight (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Blog entry
Although well constructed I feel this article is still essentially saying, "Go read what OSC wrote". That's what blogs do, not what Wikinews does. Without going into minute details I think it fails to answer Who What Where When Why and How adequately. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * What makes this newsworthy is the blame he's placing on the media. He's accusing the media of lying and of being biased, and is specifically documenting cases where this is so; the fact that he writes for a newspaper and is indicting his own party in the process makes this more newsworthy.  Consider that we're currently featuring an article which says, in essence, "go read what Gordon Brown wrote", and recently had others which said essentially "go read what Jose Zapatero wrote", and yet another that said "Mac users wrote that they didn't like something".  There is no question that many bloggers seem to think that this is newsworthy.  134.197.111.181 20:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Interview
I've contacted Card asking if he'd be willing to take an interview on the issue. I'll report back if I hear from him (yes or no). 134.197.111.181 21:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

OpEd pieces and NPOV
Writing a summary of an opinion piece published elsewhere does not make for an article that can be published under WN:NPOV in my opinion. --SVTCobra 03:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate this respectful and straightforward response. You'll have to forgive me: I feel somewhat deceived that this is only being brought up now after I have submitted the article for review 3 times (and worked diligently towards addressing the concerns raised in the first 2).  If the article is inappropriate based on its content (which has not significantly changed since then), this should have been pointed out in the very first review.  Jade Knight (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You have successfully taken every freaking opportunity to offhandedly insult my reviews. I am sick and tired of it.  You didn't get what you wanted out of a review the first time? Tough shit.  Guess what? I am a freaking volunteer too.  I'm working 12-14 hour days, 7 days a week right now.  I take my few and far between breaks trying to help WN a little bit.  I don't have time to do a full review especially when the submitting user fails SO MISERABLY the first time around.  The only reason I put down a peer review tag instead of just flipping the article back to develop was because I was trying to be nice.  That time is now over. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 04:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never attempted to insult your reviews at all. I am sorry that your life is so hard right now, but I would appreciate it if you would please try to remain civil regardless.  I recommend you review Etiquette before commenting further here; it seems that this article may be particularly upsetting for you.  I am trying to contribute effectively in good faith here; if you feel I have been incivil at any point, please let me know and I'll apologize and try to do better—I have made an attempt to correct every thing I can see how to correct with this article that you have brought up in your views; I have fixed quotes, reformatted sources, added additional sources, etc.  You point out something wrong, and I do my best to fix it.  I took your two reviews as in good faith, and my edits to try to address the issues you bring up have also been in good faith.  If you see elements in this article which still, after all my work, need help in making this a publishable article, then please, be bold and make those corrections!  I am doing my best here, but I'm still new to the world of reporting (and wiki-reporting), and so I can use all the help I can get.  Jade Knight (talk) 06:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Apparently so many people have been wondering about this article that Snopes had to report on it. Jade Knight (talk) 08:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I had been looking for criticisms of the article to provide another perspective, but I'm not turning up anything. Not a single one of Google's top 20 results on the article (all of which are about the article) includes negative commentary. Jade Knight (talk) 08:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
This page does not fit (remotely) any of the criteria at Criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. If I have made an error in doing so, please point it out to me here on the talk page (and which criteria this article falls under deserving a speedy delete). Jade Knight (talk) 06:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Content
So, after listening to the various objections about content, I'm thinking that people might appreciate a different approach to this article. Initially, I thought to report the event that Orson Scott Card was lambasting the Media. I was like: Here's someone attacking news, and I thought that would make a good news article. After listening to reviews, however, I'm thinking that a different approach may be more appropriate: Would it be better if I turned this into a more general article on the issue of potential media deception on the issue? The idea is to make it about Media representation of the Housing Crisis, and to include multiple points of view, instead of just Card's. I've started a cursory search for sources, and turned up the following: , , ,. I'd be glad to see any other sources people can contribute (particularly if you feel one side isn't being adequately represented). In particular, I'm trying to find some mainstream media articles which discuss the housing issue and demonstrate bias or lack of bias (to be used as examples or exceptions). I'm really interested in improving this article, and I'm glad for constructive feedback. What do you think of the current revision of the article? What about this new idea? Jade Knight (talk) 06:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Problems that I see with this
Even with the recent changes, this article still only presents the view of Orson Scott Card. Further, it is stale, if for no other reason than the fact that his open letter was written October 5. And while I share his concerns about how the financial crisis might be manipulated by the media to affect the outcome of the election, it is also an unfair simplification to describe Card as a Democrat. Despite your arduous work on this, I do not think it can get published here. Instead, it would make much more sense to me if this work was added to his Wikipedia page. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you read my comments above about taking this in a new direction? You do not seem to have commented on my ideas there at all; I am very much interested in hearing your thoughts—and I think that you may find, if you read my comments more carefully, that there may be a different approach to this you might find acceptable.
 * I do not understand why you think that it's "unfair" to say that Card describes himself as a Democrat, when he clearly does so. You may disagree with Card's political stances, but that does not mean it is "unfair" for him to call himself a Democrat.
 * Please realize that I am describing an event; certainly, it may be appropriate for a brief mention of Card's article to be added to his Wikipedia article when it has gathered so much attention. But I'm not writing a biography, nor part of a biography, on Card here.  I am describing a recent event.  I've tried to make this particularly true with my comments and suggestions above.
 * Let me make this simple: I am asking for your help in figuring out a way to make this article meet the standards of Wikinews, and am willing to work as hard as it takes to do so.  I am not asking you to like the event described.  I am not asking you to censor anything.  I am not asking you to violate Wikinews policies.  I just want help in improving this article.
 * Jade Knight (talk) 03:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 * That is part of the problem ... it is simple ... it is an event (the writing/publishing of the article/open letter). Since Card wrote this on October 5, it is nearly three weeks old, thus hardly newsworty. It should have been reported on much sooner to fit the Wikinews format. The secondary point is really irrelevant to whether it could be published, but relates to Card as Democrat. When I say it is "unfair" to call Card a Democrat (as he describes himself) it is because doing so without mentioning that since before the 2006 elections he has endorsed Republicans is misleading. Would you describe Michael Bloomberg as a Republican or Joe Lieberman as a Democrat, without mentioning their departures/disagreements with the parties? I hope not. If you can find current newsworthy developments, then you might be able to use Card as a commentator. So I while I agree Card has some valid points, I don't see any way to meet Wikinews standards on this. --SVTCobra 04:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and on the "new direction" you speak of, it would be interesting to study media bias, but the links are all several days old (not news). They could be used as background if we find some current research. Of course, both sides perceive media bias. Cheers, --SVTCobra 04:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I do appreciate you taking the time to be specific about your issues with this. Ultimately, what I take away from what you think is that it is simply "too old" to be published by Wikinews.  For future reference (so I don't waste time at Wikinews only to have people refuse to publish my work), what's Wikinews policy or guideline on timing of news?  Is there some reference which talks about how to evaluate whether a potential piece of news is "too old"?  This seems like a critical issue: I've put a few hours into trying to find sources, engaging in discussion, etc., here, and it's very important to me to be able to determine this in advance.  Jade Knight (talk) 04:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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India's Jet Airways posts biggest quarterly loss in three years

October 26, 2008 The largest private Indian airline Jet Airways has posted its biggest quarterly loss in three years. The Indian air industry was recently hit by rapidly increasing fuel costs.

The airline lost Rs 384 crore (€61,000,000) this quarter, compared to a Rs 28 crore profit (€4,500,000) in the same period last year. There was an increase in expenditure of 143% on fuel costs to wipe out a 45% income increase. The total cost of fuel has risen from Rs 696 crore (€110,700,000) last year to Rs 1690 crore (€268,800,000), and income rose from Rs 2,254 crore (€358,400,000) to Rs 3,258 crore (€518,150,000) in the same period.

Faced with an economic slowdown and surging fuel prices, last month Jet entered an alliance with Kingfisher Airlines. The pair hope to offset their crippling costs by collaboration.


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FBI asked to assist in murder, kidnap investigation of Jennifer Hudson's relatives

October 26, 2008

Local authorities in Chicago, Illinois, United States have asked that the FBI help in the murder and kidnap investigation of the relatives of singer and Academy Award winning actress Jennifer Hudson.

On Friday, Hudson's Mother Darnell Donerson, 57 and brother, Jason, 29, were shot and killed in the Southern Chicago home in what authorities are calling a domestic dispute. A cousin had found the bodies at around 2:44 p.m. (CDT) and called 9-1-1. Hudson's nephew, 7-year-old Julian King, was kidnapped from the scene and has not been seen since. An AMBER Alert was issued and police are looking for a 1994 white Chevrolet Suburban or a teal-green Chrysler Concorde.

King's mother, Julia Hudson, who was previously reported missing, is pleading for whoever has her son, to release him.

"I don't care who you are, just let the baby go. I just want my son. He don't deserve this. We're in a state of shock. I don't know what else to do but pray," said Hudson during a press conference on Saturday. The FBI was called in because authorities suspected King might have been taken over state lines.

Police have detained and questioned several people, and some reports say that includes William Balfour, who police previous thought to have kidnapped King. Reports say he is Julia's ex-boyfriend, having since been separated. Police deny that he is a suspect in either the murders or kidnapping and will not confirm or deny if he is or was in custody. So far no charges have been filed against anyone for the crimes.


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Scores killed by flooding in Yemen

October 26, 2008

At least 58 people are now dead as a result of the recent flooding in Yemen, and at least 20,000 in the country have no access to shelter. Five people are also reported missing. The has pledged to send tents to help the homeless. The flooding is caused by the recent heavy rain in Yemen, which came as a shock due to the fact that the country only receives several centimeters of rain per year.

In addition to the 58, four people were also killed by lightning, which struck Yemen during the large storms.

The (OIC) released a statement regarding the floods. "The Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Professor, extended his sincere sympathy to the government and people of Yemen following the devastating floods caused by torrential rains, causing a grave humanitarian crisis in the governorates of and ," it stated.

"Ihsanoglu pointed up the heavy death toll and the massive destruction that hit the infrastructure, such as roads, power and water distribution networks, describing the situation as a national disaster. He urged the international community to provide aid and assistance to the victims."

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This is the only article where Yemen horizontal is being used. Could we replace the htab-box (which it is included in) at the foot of the article with Yemen at the top right, perhaps? Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 23:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd like to generalize infobox to have a horizontal option, or some such. --Pi zero (talk) 00:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The tab feature is definitely cool, but it looks odd as a whole floating there in the middle. If it goes at the bottom of an article; should the tabs be downward? would it look better if the box matched the page width of whatever the reader's settings are? --SVTCobra 14:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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General who oversaw military tribunals at Guantanamo is being investigated for abuse of power

November 1, 2008

Brigadier General Thomas W. Hartmann, an officer in the United States Air Force Reserve, is the subject of two new investigations. Both center on whether Hartmann abused his power as the Legal Adviser to the Convening Authority in the Department of Defense Office of Military Commissions. He no longer holds this position.

The United States Air Force is conducting an ethics probe after a preliminary investigation concluded that there were sufficient grounds to move forward. The inquiry is investigating allegations that cases which were not ready for trial moved ahead because Hartmann bullied prosecutors and logistics officials.

The other investigation is being conducted by the United States Department of Defense which is looking into complaints by at least two military officials that Hartmann acted in an abusive and retaliatory manner towards them while they served at the Office of Military Commissions.

These probes will "cast doubt on all of the decisions that have been taken under his tenure," predicted Hina Shamsi, who serves as official trial observer at Guantanamo for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Hartmann was recalled to active duty in July 2007 and appointed the Legal Advisor to the civilian official — known as the Convening Authority — in charge of Office of Military Commissions. The position of Convening Authority has been filled by Susan J. Crawford since February 2007. Hartmann's active duty term was to be for a two year term.

The duties of the Legal Advisor to Convening Authority included providing general oversight of the Prosecution and Defense teams, and providing advice to the convening authority when appeals are made. When Hartmann was appointed the Chief Prosecutor, Colonel Morris Davis was on medical leave. Hartmann was dissatisfied with the process of the commissions. In the nine months since the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 only three captives had been charged. Hartmann is reported to have intervened in the operation of the Prosecution, pressuring Prosecutors to initiate charges against the captives suspected of being the more senior members of al-Qaeda.

When Davis returned from his medical leave, he and Hartmann clashed. Davis felt Hartmann had improperly over-stepped his assigned duties, usurping his own role.

Davis reported that his approach had been to charge captives whose trials could be conducted without access to secret evidence, and without access to evidence coerced through the use of torture or questionable interrogation techniques.

In October 2007, Davis went public and suggested that both he and Hartmann resign from the Office of Military Commissions. A military inquiry at the time censured Davis, who did resign from the Office of Military Commissions, and has subsequently testified against Hartmann.

The Presiding Officers of three of the Military Commissions heard testimony from Hartmann and eventually barred him from participation in the cases before them, because they believed he had exercised "illegal command influence".

Stephen R. Henley — the Presiding Officer of Mohammed Jawad's commission, who barred Hartmann from further participation — wrote on August 14, 2008:
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After Colonel Patrick Parrish barred Hartmann from participation in Omar Khadr's commission, Hartmann's subordinate was promoted to replace him. Hartmann was moved to a new position, where he served over the Prosecution. Pentagon officials described it as a lateral move. Air Force officials described it as a promotion.

On November 2, 2008 Carol Rosenberg, writing in the Miami Herald, reported that Hartmann had filed a request to retire from the Air Force on 17 February 2008. Hartmann's superior at the Pentagon, William J. Haynes, had announced his resignation in February.


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Date format on sources is incorrect, should be "monthname daynumber, year" --Brian McNeil / talk 08:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Excuse me? Are you citing an actual policy, guideline, or manual of style here?  Or is your comment based on "common knowledge" or "common sense"?

 * M-D-Y is a solely US idiom. But this is an international project.  Much of the world uses D-M-Y.  That makes the US insistence on using M-D-Y confusing.  It makes a significant fraction of dates ambiguous.

 * Y-M-D has great advantages over M-D-Y. Dates in this format are not ambiguous.  And, dates in Y-M-D are easier to sort.

 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 13:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I am citing the style guide, the month is spelt out so there is no ambiguity. An additional point is that sources should be sorted with the most recent at the top. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Regardless of date format, the dates of the sources make this stale. When first added they were already ten days old. --SVTCobra 02:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * October 16 was a typo. When I started the article, on October 26, the most recent references were hours old.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Changed. Am I the only one to be concerned over having a style guide that has not been internationalized?  Geo Swan (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The style guide was developed from a number of existing documents mainstream media employ. The guidelines for dates are intended to make sure there is no ambiguity in when is being referred to, not a grovelling to American standards. Incidentally, I am in Belgium and I find the standard quite sensible. It avoids the ambiguity of using only numbers and not always being sure which is month and which is day. Y-M-D is for computers, not for humans. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

There are no brigadier generals in the U.S. Navy Reserve. Brig Gen Hartmann is not in the USNR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.204.178 (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 * There are two Thomas Hartmann's in the US Military. This one is in the USAFR.  The other is in the USN.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have addressed every concern raised here...
I have addressed every concern raised here.

Are there readers who have concerns about this article they haven't yet expressed?

If everyone's stated concerns have been addressed wouldn't the next step normally be for some to place a publish tag on this article? Geo Swan (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The background information appears to be accurate and verifiable. The only thing is that the article fails to explain what the two inquires are investigating. It it just says Hartmann is facing them and not what they are about. --SVTCobra 22:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I have added this information about the investigations myself. --SVTCobra 23:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * The sources section was put together very sloppily. Some links pointed to unrelated articles, several dates were wrong, others were dead links. I think I have fixed them all. --SVTCobra 00:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

What kind of editorial criticism can I expect here?
I am a newbie here. And I don't expect to know all the rules. I welcome civil, meaningful attempts to help me.

Another contributor moved the article from ready to develop with the edit summary: long quotes -- see other articles.

The contributor who made this move first read the article on October 26th, six days ago. And the quote they are referring to has been in the article all this time.

I am frankly at a loss as to why this contributor waited six days to raise this concern.

Further, it might seem obvious to this contributor how "see other article" will help me figure out why they moved the article from Ready to develop. But I do not believe this is responsible. I could spend considerable time looking at other articles trying to figure out why they made the move, and not come to a conclusion, or come to the wrong conclusion. If there is a style guide that addresses their concern, they should state which style guide, and possibly which section. If there is no style guide, and their concern is based soley on their experience, I think they have a choice: either clearly explain the lesson they drew from their experience with long quotes -- or, if they did not think the issue was serious enough to offer that clear explanation, let the issue slide.

Candidly, Geo Swan (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A huge part of the problem is that in writing this piece you seem to have set out to crucify the subject. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't shoot the messenger. Geo Swan (talk) 02:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I will agree with you that the quote is not inappropriately long, considering the overall length of the article. Your reaction is a bit melodramatic, however, as we are all just volunteers and that may very well have been that editor's first look at the article. BTW, I have made some improvements and resubmitted for review. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice article
I've not looked at who did what/how much, and how closely the article sticks to the sources, but I wanted to say that the outcome of your combined efforts is an article that read well and was quite interesting. Well done, all of you together! Sean Heron (talk) 19:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


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1700 runners still unaccounted for in UK's Lake District following flood

October 26, 2008 1700 runners running in the Original Mountain Marathon, a fell running event, are still unaccounted for the day after they were stranded by flooding.

Approximately 2000 people entered the race, and rescue teams have resumed their search for the missing. The disruption of the event that occurred at the top of one of the highest mountains in the Borrowdale Valley (a region of the UK's Lake District), and the people found have sought refuge at local buildings and businesses. Three hundred of the people found have sheltered in the nearby Honister Slate Mine.

"The weather is absolutely horrendous and it's a scene of chaos up here," stated Mark Weir, the owner of the slate mines. "I believe there were up to about two thousand people who entered this race and I advised the organizers not to go ahead with the event."

"The mountain rescue teams are still trying to account for everyone," added Weir. "We have had people coming in throughout the day in pretty bad states. They are dripping wet through and very cold. Our staff is helping to transport them off the mountain pass and down to Cocker mouth where the emergency services are taking over. But we need more help and more buses as there are still plenty of people up here."

Organizers of the run have stressed that the runners should be fully equipped with tents and food, allowing them to survive in the place where they are stranded.


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Why
Should we give a shite? If the people involved were not relatives of a celebrity this never would have hit the news. I could understand it if the celebrity herself had been kidnapped, but her relatives? This is not newsworthy. A celebrity's life is in no way any more important than that of anybody else.--72.209.8.195 14:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * After using Wikipedia to find out who she is, I believe we need to get every tax payed law enforcer out there on this case. I mean, she was in SEX IN THE CITY for ef's sake! 24.30.16.34 22:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Prayers
My prayers are going out for Ms. Hudson and her family. This is a true tragedy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.96.227.221 (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

i feel so sorry for jennifer. first her mom and brother and now her nephew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.155.213.178 (talk) 02:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Jennifer
why do people kill she didn't do anything to her —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.0.20 (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


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All 2500 runners in Lake District race accounted for after flood

October 26, 2008 All 2,500 runners in the Lake District's Original Mountain Marathon, a fell running event, were accounted for this afternoon. As previously reported, 1,700 runners had been missing.

The police reported that all participants were located by 2:25pm GMT. The RAF was called in for helicopter rescues and retrieved five runners. Most runners sheltered overnight at sites including the Honister Slate Mine, Cockermouth Sheep and Wool Centre, Glaramar Outdoor Pursuit Centre and Cockermouth School after torrential rains flooded the Cumbria fell marathon course.

Thirteen participants were taken to hospital to be treated for hypothermia and minor injuries including a woman washed into a river by the flooding who was rescued by fellow runners and a 52-year old Nottingham man who slipped and broke his leg.


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Syrian government: U.S. helicopters attack farm on Syria-Iraq border

October 26, 2008

According to the Syrian government, United States military helicopters attacked a farm on the Syria-Iraq border. Earlier media reports called the helicopters "unidentified" which came into Syria from Iraq. The attack has caused some diplomatic stirs, and the Syrian government has called in a diplomat from the U.S..

The BBC News agency reports, quoting Syrian media, that at least seven people were killed when the helicopters attacked a farm along the Bou Kamal border with Iraq in the Syrian town of Al-Sukkariya. Among the dead were a man, four of his sons, and two farm workers. Other reports say at least nine were killed. At least 14 others were injured. Syrian media says all of those killed were civilians.

One report from Trend News says that Lebanese officials confirm that the raid was carried out by U.S. troops and that they were targeting alleged terrorists preparing to infiltrate Iraq.

The Syrian government state the strike was carried out by the U.S. military. Witnesses near the attack also say the helicopters appeared to be American and involved at least four helicopters, two of which landed. Further witness reports say that at least eight American soldiers proceeded to get off the helicopters. After allegedly attacking their target, all the soldiers returned to the helicopters which took off and left Syria.

According to PRESS TV, Sergeant Brooke Murphy, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq, the military is investigating the incident. Meanwhile, Maura Connelly, a U.S. diplomat to Syria, was called to the country's foreign ministry to discuss the incident.

If the U.S. carried out the attack, it would be the first time any such attack was carried out inside Syria by U.S. forces.


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Bus accident in Buffalo, New York leaves at least eight injured

An accident involving a city bus and a car at Sycamore and Monroe streets in the city of Buffalo, New York, United States, has injured at least 10 people, some seriously. The accident happened around 4:00 p.m. (EDT).

According to Buffalo Fire Department radio communications, at least two of the four people in the car will have to be removed by the 'jaws of life'. Their condition is considered serious. The condition of the other two passengers is not known.

There are at least eight people on the bus. At about 4:15 p.m., a mobile triage was dispatched to the scene to determine how many of the passengers on the bus would need to be taken to local hospitals for treatment. At least six will be "packaged" and transported to Buffalo General Hospital.

By, 4:20 p.m., at least one of the trapped passengers was removed from the car. By 4:30, the second passenger had been removed. Both will also be treated at Buffalo General Hospital.

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VIA radio communications of the Buffalo FD on freq; 424.225. Call came in at approx 4:00 p.m. EDT. Extra equipment and police were dispatched a short time later.

Damn the rain for stopping me from going. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

 * 4:16 P.M. mobile triage called in to evaluate passengers on bus to determine which of those have to go to the hospital. FD: "There are at least 6 to 8 people on the bus." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4:20. One person has been successfully removed from the car. "We are working on the other". DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4:31 pm.m second passenger removed from car. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4:34, 6 of the 8 passengers on the bus to be transported to hospital. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:Syrian government: U.S. helicopters attack farm on Syria-Iraq border

This is a case of U.S. forces having bad plans. If Iraqi militants cross into Syria to attack, the Syrian government will kill them; sovereignty must be maintained. Before others come in claiming fluid borders, Syria is very strict about theirs. Hopefully this error in planning will be recognized and corrected by the coalition forces, and those responsible will be punished appropriately. 65.1.171.13 02:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 65.1 Syria allows the Terrorist too stay in their Nation.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 01:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What is your proof of that? Syria is an Arab nation. It has some conflicts with Israel, and supports justified independence movements, yes, but those are not terrorists in the legitimate sense, and are nowhere near to being the same groups except for misguided fools. If you have real evidence of your claim that does not actually fall under one of those headings, please let me know. 65.1.135.117 04:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * how about the Thousands of foreign Terrorist that are in Iraq? and Independence movement? Since the US liberated (yes i used the L word deal with it) Iraq had a free and fair governess. And Proof, we got and killed a top Terrorist in that raid.--66.229.17.181 05:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Again how does that prove Syria allowed them to stay there? Why not contact the Syrian government, since it also oppose the activity of al-qaeda? I have no problems with what occurred in Iraq with the deposition of Saddam--Syrians fought with the U.S. against him the first time if you can remember that (I don't think you're old enough...). How does ostensibly finding and killing one terrorist among many others mean that Syria supported the criminal? U.S. forces can not be excused from invading Syria, killing several construction workers and guards, and even shooting the wife of a guard in the process. When you find a terrorist in suburban areas in the U.S., does that mean the U.S. sponsors terrorists against itself? The U.S. becomes a terrorist criminal by attacking and killing Syrian civilians. 65.1.135.117 05:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you think any good will come from calling in the US ambassador! The US govt does not give a damn about the world! There will never be a consequence to this action! My heart goes out to the Syrian families that have been ravaged by the US-Army plague!

If they got the target
The operative word is IF. It always sounds good but the US leadership bureaucracy starting at the president on down is such an unwieldy beast it can never seem to react quickly enough to get the assets needed where they are needed when they are needed, or they end up breaking down the wrong door. I just hope the boots on the ground are not blamed if it did go wrong or any of the got injured in all this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.86.238.129 (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Why do they still get their citizens support? TROOPS DO NOT WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE USA OR THEIR PROTECTION. Nope, Troops work for your lovely corporations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.255.137 (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Because were not morons who believe what our enemy's say on their state run media.
 * Sure nice idea, but you're still wrong here since Syria is not at war with the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.1.135.117 (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Us Syria attack!
What could be the reson for the US millatary to use force agains civilians in Syria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.170.192.21 (talk) 13:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

 * totally forget the fact it was a terrorist staging ground. Come on people are you doing this on purpose or what?

wow
Believing a country ran by a dictator and supporting Terrorist that are killing our troops. Is it because you hate Bush that bad or you guys are that retarded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.17.181 (talk) 21:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Are these two Countrys even dictatorships? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.170.192.21 (talk) 12:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Reaction
Do we have any reaction from the US military other than acknowledgement that the investigation is started? Do they confirm the raid itself or deny it? I think it is important, and this needs to be clarified in the article 85.202.113.34 13:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

US Helicoptors Attack Farm on Syria-Iraq Border
We would learn a number of months later that Vice President Dick Cheney had been given authority by President Bush to use a group of Special Operations troops without consulting other hi level military or diplomatic personnel. As I watched video of the location of the shootings and dead bodies on gurneys from Syrian TV on LINK TV, I immediately suspected Cheney. He had attempted at least twice to precipitate an attack against Iran and been stopped. This attack against a location in Syria just ten days before the presidential elections of 2008 would have been classic Cheney. He would have hoped that the Syrian government would retaliate in some way which would have helped to create a large counter-attack by US forces against the Syrians. This would have brought out every flag waving gullible fool in the US to vote for John McCain in the election. The Syrians were smart enough to realize that they were being baited and didn't retaliate and the story disappeared in about one day in the US. Frank Newman "Aarky" Ft. Smith, Arkansas,USA


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20 killed in suspected US missile strike in Pakistan

October 27, 2008

On Sunday, two attacks carried out by suspected missiles from unmanned US aircraft killed 20 militants near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border in a militant camp, as reported by security officials.

The death toll rose from seven to 20 as reported by military officials. Two missiles were dropped on the compound in the village of Badar. Military officials claim that South Wazirestan is the stronghold of Pakistan Taliban leader.

A senior Taliban commander, Haji Omar, was among those killed in missile strike. Three other Taliban commanders were injured.

Pakistani insurgents, initially staggered by the U.S. reaction to the September 11 attacks, have rebuilt their organizations in the border regions; from those havens, they launch attacks against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan. The 80,000 to 120,000 Pakistani troops that have engaged the insurgents since 2003 have been funded by the United States at a cost of $1 billion a year. Despite the high cost, operations have been inconsistent and incomplete.

"Cross-border raids risk provoking direct confrontation between U.S. and Pakistani forces and could accelerate the growing dissension in military ranks over continued Pakistani alignment with the United States," said Marvin G. Weinbaum, a former State Department intelligence and research analyst on Pakistan and Afghanistan, in an editorial published in Monday's edition of The Washington Post.


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Asian stock markets slide; Nikkei at lowest level since '82

October 27, 2008

On Monday, stock markets across Asia resumed their downward slide, and Japan's fell to lows not seen since October 1982 as the Japanese government's former measures to stop the credit and stock crisis have been seen by stockholders as not sufficient.

Japan's prime minister, Taro Aso, spoke to government officials and asked them to make new tentative plans to save Japan from more damage inflicted by the worldwide recession. For the day, the Nikkei closed down 6.4 percent, or 486.18 points, to close at 7,162.90.

The U.S. dollar rose against the yen after six straight days of losses, trading at 92.27 yen to the dollar. On Friday, the trading value for the yen fell to 90.89, its worst showing for the currency since August 1995.

The in Hong Kong was in a freefall for the most of the day, ending down 12.7 percent, or 1,602.54 points, to 11,015.84. Before a late session rally, the index was trading below 11,000 points, which has not occurred since 2004.

The lost 6.3 percent, or 116.27 points, to close the day at 1,723.35. In the past year, the Shanghai Index, which is the most valued in mainland China, has lost nearly three quarters of its value. Other Asian markets fell sharply on fears echoed by Japan and China. Singapore's, which fell 8.3 percent on Friday, was not open today for a holiday.

Indian shares on the in Mumbai fell ten percent, below the crucial 8,000-point level earlier in the day before rallying to a more modest two-percent decline. Australia's stock losses were also marginally lower, still pushing the in Sydney to their lowest levels since autumn 2004, at 3,768.

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 * All Ordinaries-p = 1.65
 * All Ordinaries-tl =
 * DJIA = 8,378.95
 * DJIA-c = 312.30
 * DJIA-p = 3.59
 * DJIA-tl =
 * SMI = 5,388.85
 * SMI-c = 286.24
 * SMI-p = 5.04
 * SMI-tl =
 * FTSE 100 = 3,701.99
 * FTSE 100-c = 181.37
 * FTSE 100-p = 4.67
 * FTSE 100-tl =
 * IPC = 16,978.80
 * IPC-c = 820.15
 * IPC-p = 4.61
 * IPC-tl =
 * MIBTel = 14,682.00
 * MIBTel-c = 708.00
 * MIBTel-p = 4.60
 * MIBTel-tl =
 * SSE Composite = 1,723.35
 * SSE Composite-c = 116.27
 * SSE Composite-p = 6.32
 * SSE Composite-tl =
 * DAX = 4,158.79
 * DAX-c = 136.88
 * DAX-p = 3.19
 * DAX-tl =
 * Bovespa = 31,481.55
 * Bovespa-c = 0.00
 * Bovespa-p = 0.00
 * Bovespa-tl =


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Talk:Asian stock markets slide; Nikkei at lowest level since '82

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I'm not filling out the template as I have only reviewed copyright, but there are the following copyvio sentences:

 * "as all government rescue measures failed to ease fears of a prolonged global recession." - from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_bi_ge/world_markets

 * " urged officials to draw up measures to calm volatile stock markets and to fend off further fallout from the crisis." - http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Aso-calls-for-calm-on-markets-292171817.html

 * "The Shanghai Composite Index lost 6.3 percent, or 116.27 points, to 1,723.35. It is now down about 72 percent from its peak about a year ago." - http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=111&sid=630962

There are proabably more as i did not check every sentence.

Thanks,

Anonymous101talk 09:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

More copyvios:

"Other Asian markets fell heavily in chaotic trade as investors feared a flurry of central bank moves would not be enough to stave off a global recession." - http://www.individual.com/myIssue.php?topic=5

 * as overseas funds and individuals sold heavily on fears of a worldwide recession. - http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=58644 Anonymous101talk 09:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Stock market data
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The article should show data from 09:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC), not the latest. Pandakekok9 (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ per request by, using template data as of that date. [24Cr][talk] 20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)