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David Lange, former New Zealand prime minister, dies at 63

August 14, 2005

New Zealanders woke up Sunday to learn of the death of one of their most notable leaders. David Lange was Prime Minister for just five years in the mid-1980s, but his administration left an indelible mark on the nation economically and socially, and also reoriented its foreign policy.

Lange, 63, died of renal failure at 10 p.m. on August 13, a day after his family decided to discontinue artificial life support. He had fought a long battle with multiple ailments. In 2002, he was diagnosed with amyloidosis, a rare and incurable blood disorder. Lange defied his doctors' initial predictions that he had only four months to live, and following a round of chemotherapy, appeared to rally for a time, but in mid-2005 his condition took a sudden turn for the worse. He entered hospital in Auckland in mid July, 2005, to undergo nightly peritoneal dialysis and battled end-stage kidney failure. On August 2, he had his lower-right leg amputated without a general anaesthetic, as a result of diabetes complications.

His declining health resulted in the publication of his memoir My Life being brought forward to August 8. He lived to see this happen and gave his last interview on TV3 to John Campbell the same day.

Lange was first elected to the New Zealand Parliament in a byelection in 1977. As a lawyer, he had built up a personal rapport with his Mangere constituency by representing poor clients free of charge. In less than three years, he was elected Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, and, after an initial failed bid for the leadership in 1980, was chosen to replace Bill Rowling as the party leader in 1983. He went on to lead the party to a landslide victory in the general election held on 14 July, 1984, ousting the longtime Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon.

Despite his nominal socialism, he initiated sweeping reforms to deregulate the economy and boost private enterprise, and his was regarded as a government of the left only in name. In foreign policy, however, Lange remained somewhat further to the left: he banned nuclear-armed and powered warships from entering New Zealand's ports, straining a once-close relationship with the United States. In 1985 he took part in a widely-televised Oxford Union debate, arguing for the proposition that "nuclear weapons are morally indefensible", in opposition to U.S. televangelist Jerry Falwell.

Lange won the 1987 election by an even greater margin than in 1984, but internal divisions within the Labour Party were weakening his position. Many rank and file members of the party felt that the government's economic reforms were a betrayal of Labour's socialist ideology. Attempting to appease the left, Lange fired his right-wing Finance Minister, Roger Douglas, late in 1988. When the party caucus, which under Labour Party rules chooses the cabinet, insisted on his reinstatement to the cabinet in mid-1989, Lange resigned on 8 August, 1989.

Lange was widely regarded as a larger-than-life figure, who was never far from controversy. Once regarded as a fervent Methodist, Lange weathered a storm in 1990 after his decision to leave his first wife, Naomi, and move in with Margaret Pope, whom he later married. In 1996, Lange and Pope had a daughter, Edith; Lange, whose health was already in decline, said that his fondest hope was to see Edith grow up. Responding to questions about whether he was afraid of being "an old dad," he replied, "No ... but I'm afraid of being a dead dad." He said in another interview the same year, on announcing his final retirement from politics, that he hoped to spend more time with his family, to concentrate on lecturing and writing, "and to grow old." This last wish did not materialize.

Lange was remembered for his intelligence, his wit, and his loud booming voice. Supporters and opponents alike spoke warmly of Lange. Whether they agreed with his policies or not, they described him as a deeply compassionate man who would be sadly missed.


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Controversial cancer test gains support

August 14, 2005

Some cancer specialists have stepped up calls for smokers and ex-smokers to undergo advanced screening for lung cancer. They reacted to the recent deaths of Peter Jennings and Barbara Bel Geddes and the disclosure that Dana Reeve has lung cancer by urging people to have their lungs screened with special helical CT chest scans.

Because health insurance plans do not cover such screening, anxious patients who can afford it are paying about $300 for the test out of pocket. The American Cancer Society discourages using the advanced CT scan technique for screening because doctors do not yet know how to interpret findings of small lesions. A helical scan can show lumps as small as 2 millimetres in diameter, but doctors do not know what to make of such lesions. The tumors may not actually be cancerous, and even small cancers may spontaneously remit or may grow so slowly that surgery, radiation or chemotherapy would do far more harm than good. Preliminary results of a large ongoing study, expected within a year, may provide tentative guidelines on when to perform a biopsy and when CT screening would be worthwhile.

Smoking one pack of cigarettes daily for 20 years or more brings a 50 percent chance of dying from lung cancer. For any smoker, 10 years of abstinence cuts the risk in half. Women are more vulnerable than men even if they don't smoke. Environmental pollutants work with smoking to increase risk. People with affected parents or siblings are 2–3 times more likely to fall ill with lung cancer. A malignant tumor can grow silently for years. In the United States by the time it is recognized a lung cancer has spread in 3 out of 4 patients. Routine chest X-ray screening does not improve survival rate. Although patients treated after their lung cancer has shown up in a highly sensitive helical (also called "spiral") CT scan are much more likely to survive, this may only be because small cancers grow very slowly or would cause no trouble even without treatment.

On the other hand, some cancer experts already strongly support performing the screening. They point out that prompt treatment of lung cancer clearly improves prognosis and that an equivocal scan can be repeated after some months to see if a lesion has enlarged. Furthermore, a decision not to wait for conclusive science but to undergo a helical scan would be supported by consideration of a patient's age, family history, history of smoking and other risk factors. Annual scanning has been recommended for people over age 50 who have smoked 1 pack daily for 30 years or 2 packs for 15 and who also have a known lung condition.

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Cypriot plane with 121 on board crashes in Greece, no passengers survive
A Helios Airways plane with 121 onboard has crashed into a mountain near the Greek island of Grammatikos, approximately 40 kilometres north of Athens. No survivors have been reported.

The crash occurred at 09:04 UTC this morning. After communication was lost with ground control twenty minutes after take-off, the aircraft was joined by two Greek F-16 military aircrafts until the plane crashed. The pilots of the F-16s noted that one airliner pilot appeared to be unconscious and the other was not in the cockpit. Immediately after take-off, the pilots reported a problem with the pressurization system of the aircraft, and later a passenger sent a text message communicating that it had become extremely cold in the cabin and that people were freezing to death. It is speculated that the air-supply system of the plane may have failed.

See Wikinews for further developments.

Kurmanbek Bakiev sworn in as president of Kyrgyzstan
Kurmanbek Bakiev has been sworn in as the president of Kyrgyzstan after winning the elections one month ago with an 89% majority. Bakiev took his oath of office after a military parade, in front of diginitaries in Bishkek's central square. Mr. Bakiev's main competitor in the elections was Felix Kulov. They agreed upon a power-sharing pact, ensuring that Mr. Kulov would become Prime Minister if Mr. Bakiev became president.

TSA cuts US airport security screening personnel
The United States Transportation Security Administration has announced plans to reduce the number of security screeners in US airports. The cutbacks come despite an increased TSA budget for 2006 and an overall increase in airport traffic.

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Kurmanbek Bakiev has been sworn in as the president of Kyrgyzstan after winning the elections one month ago with an 89% majority. Bakiev took his oath of office after a military parade, in front of diginitaries in Bishkek's central square. Mr. Bakiev's main competitor in the elections was Felix Kulov. They agreed upon a power-sharing pact, ensuring that Mr. Kulov would become Prime Minister if Mr. Bakiev became president.


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The United States Transportation Security Administration has announced plans to reduce the number of security screeners in US airports. The cutbacks come despite an increased TSA budget for 2006 and an overall increase in airport traffic.


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Timeline
Theres something wrong with the timeline; the F-16 pilots establish visual contact *after* seeing the copilot unconcious?? --Pvtparts 16:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Good point. Also, unconscious pilots are unlikely to fly distress patterns. I'm removing that. If someone reports that such a pattern was indeed observed, we can always restore that line. Mpulier 17:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have no idea about aircraft operations but it is possible that the auto-pilot can be set to do such a thing? --Deprifry 18:32, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

By and large, no - a descent has to be initated manually. It might, might have circled its last waypoint at cruise altitude (which was filed as FL340, I understand), and then eventually ran out fuel. Dan100 (Talk) 23:06, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

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Strange things

 * 1) At the start it was said that the aircraft run out of fuel and fall. Not that possible cause the end destination ws Prague and it wasnt planned to be refueled in Athens. Also if it didnt had any fuels couldnt cause that huge fire on the ground.
 * 2) No logical person would leave on the air a 200 tons aircraft flying till it runs out of fuel. Probably the F16 's jammed the auto pilot and blew it on the sky when it was over a deserted area.
 * 3) They still cant find 3 persons including the pilot and they start to say that they may have evaporized on the fire. Is it possible such a tning and if yes why only these 3 people and specially the main pilot.
 * 4) We invite people to post their comments on http://helios-tragedy.blogspot.com/

Cause
A decompression doesn't make sense - if the pilots passed out (who are trained to deal with such situations and have additional air supplies), why were the passengers still concsious? Also, why didn't the windows mist up, which always occurs with decompressions?
 * Ah, one of the sources says the oxygen masks dropped. Perhaps some of the passengers recovered as the aircraft descended (on autopilot?), and the windows cleared with time...

Previous pressurization problem reported
Cyprus media are reporting the same aircraft previously had a pressurization problem in the cockpit and had to perform an emergency landing a few months ago. I can not confirm this information. Anyone found out anything about this? --Yiango 18:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * See the Aviation Safety Network report. Mpulier 00:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Re Pilots reporting problem on takeoff
Cyprus media are reporting that the pilots reported a problem with the airconditioning, not with the pressurization upon takeoff. Please explain why we are sticking to the story that the pilots reported pressurization problems. --Yiango 18:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My removal of your changes was the result of an edit conflict and not intented. I've restored them and apologize. --Deprifry 18:24, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem --Yiango 18:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Passenger information
Please take care when updating the passenger information, as the international media have been proved wrong of the flight having '48 children on board'. The latest we know is of 21 children. Greek ERT article. Please wait for official information, which will be released to the public at noon, Cyprus time by the Minister Haris Thrasou. (CNA passenger list announcement). --Yiango 08:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Update: the list has in fact been released and the names are being recited as I write on TV. Can not find the list online, however Politis newspaper has published the information as to the amount of children onboard, which I have included in the Wikinews article. --Yiango 10:33, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Text Message Hoax?
What is the source for the allegation that the "cousin" receiving the message perpetrated a hoax? Posting a verifiable authority is important. All news media seem to have fallen for the story, which made front page headlines on many of today's newspapers. Mpulier 17:47, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Hoax timeline ?
The hoax text message: "The pilot is dead. Farewell, my cousin, here we're frozen." It seems as though the message's content is at least somewhat accurate. Does anyone know the exact time the hoax was initially released? Specifically, was this hoax released before or after speculation that depressurization may have been the problem. From what I recall, the hoax message was released not long after the crash, before news about the F16's, and what the F16 pilots saw in the cockpit, was released. I could be wrong though, does anyone else have an opinion?


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Paula Abdul cleared of sex scandal after 'American Idol' inquiry

August 14, 2005

Executives of the U.S. Fox network said Friday that singer Paula Abdul was cleared of any wrongdoing in regard to charges that she had an improper relationship with former American Idol contestant Corey Clark. The network cleared her to return to the show for its fifth season.

American Idol has topped network television ratings as the most-watched program in the U.S. for the past three years. Abdul is one of the three judges of the talent/variety program, where she is popularly referred to as the "nice one" by contestants.

Fox reportedly hired a former federal prosecutor to lead an investigation into whether Abdul compromised the integrity of its flagship series. After an investigation of more than three months, interviewing 43 people and looking over documents supplied by both Abdul and Clark, the investigation showed no proof that Abdul had a sexual relationship with Clark.

Clark was booted from the second season of Idol after it was discovered he hid a previous domestic violence arrest record from producers. Two years later, he told reporters that he had been involved in a secret romantic relationship with Abdul, which would have been a violation of the show's rules and Abdul's employment contract.

"I'm grateful this ordeal is over, and I'm so looking forward to getting back to the job I love," Abdul said in an Associated Press interview after the decision was announced to keep her on the show.


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Mother's plea to U.S. president gains widespread attention

August 14, 2005 Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother of a fallen soldier in Iraq, has gained national attention for her efforts to demand the President of the United States speak with her personally. "What I want to ask is, 'What noble cause did my son die for?' And if he says that it was to get rid of Saddam or liberate the Iraqi people, I'm not going to buy it." Mrs. Sheehan told reporters. Prompted by President George W. Bush's announcement that Americans in Iraq have died for a 'noble cause', Sheehan has been camping near Bush's Texas ranch for the past week to demand a private conversation with the President. "I don't want comfort," she told, "I want the truth."

Mr. Bush said he was aware of the pleas of the grieving mothers, "But whether it be here or in Washington or anywhere else, there's somebody who has got something to say to the President, that's part of the job. And I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say. But I think it's also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life."

Cindy has been joined in by hundreds of supporters, including many other mothers of fallen soldiers, who are camping out with her and joining her in calling "for the truth" about why their sons had to die. Rallies of support are also taking place and being scheduled across the nation, and contributions from citizens across the world are flowing into the "Peace House", a nearby cottage providing shelter and support for the mothers.

Casey's grandparents and other members of her extended family issued a statement emailed to the website, which reveals their disagreement with the actions and statements that Mrs. Sheehan has made and accuses her of using her son's death to promote a personal agenda:

 * The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Mrs. Sheehan has responded by saying that political views within her extended family have always been diverse, but she is happy that her husband and children share her views and are supporting her efforts. She says her husband Pat, couldn't bear having Casey's things at home and put most of them in storage. "We grieved in totally different ways. He wanted to grieve by distracting himself. I wanted to immerse myself."

Mrs. Sheehan and her husband were part of a group that met with the President following her son's death last year; a meeting that President Bush began with what she thought was an insultingly insensitive greeting; "Who we'all gonna honor today." Mrs. Sheehan says she had mixed feelings about Bush's demeanor at the meeting, but kept quiet. When more information came out about the planning for the war, however, she started to feel utterly betrayed. "I want the kind of meeting that holds him accountable for the words he's actually said.", Sheehan told Time magazine reporters.


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Talk:Mother's plea to U.S. president gains widespread attention

Casey needs to be introduced before his name is used on its own. --Mattm

I have added in the family statement from Drudge Report. Usually I do not use the site as a source, however I feel as if the statement was an important item to include in this article to neutralize the POV. --Mrmiscellanious 21:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * In addition, I believe the use of the word "tell the truth" is a little too much to be used here (some believe what the reasons given are true). She is asking for a one-on-one conversation with the President.  --Mrmiscellanious 21:19, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

then we should put it in scare quotes. Kevin Baastalk 21:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Please read the NPOV references []"The prevailing Wikinews understanding is that the neutral point of view is not a point of view at all; according to our understanding, when one writes neutrally, one is very careful not to state (or imply or insinuate or subtly massage the reader into believing) that any particular view at all is correct" This article did not imply the demonstrator is correct;simply that she is demonstrating. There are millions of people who disagree with her and if they were also at Crawford,demonstrating,then that may warrant inclusion; but certainly, something from the Drudge report that only required a few computer clicks should not stand in the story as some sort of counterbalance to the time and effort this demonstrator has put in.NPOV does nmot mean "neutralizing"..it means unbiased reporting. 70.50.77.14 21:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And "demanding the truth on why her son had to die" isn't favoring any side (many believe the reasons given are true)? Seems a little biased to me.  Besides, as I stated before, nothing but the release came from Drudge.  --Mrmiscellanious 21:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * When we report news where western leaders call suicide bombers terrorists, are you going to be including Hamas website descriptions calling them heroes? 70.50.77.14 21:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * We aren't talking about Hamas right now. I am saying that "demanding the truth" when people might believe it is the truth is a conflict of POV.  However, she does want to speak privately with the President - and that does not hinder on the NPOV policy.  Please, don't start a fight on a talk page.  --Mrmiscellanious 21:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

The title
The title of this article needs to be altered a bit, such as something more like this: "U.S. mother's plea to the President gains widespread attention" or Mother's plea to U.S. President gains widespread attention" ..also possibly dropping the article before "President."

Eliminate quote
Do we have too quote the extended family? I realize someone is all hot to use some source material in the PD, but they are not very realivent to the story. The story is the mother & her followers, the father & the dead guy are realivent, but not objections by extended family? Sure, mention they don't like her much, but they don't warrant a quote as they arn't what we are talking about. Now if yoou have quotes about the controversy from the media, that seems more relevant, as it goes to the mothers influence, but family fights are for Opera. Nyarlathotep 21:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Agreed and done; family feud can be a separate story. Bush admin's position is the other side in this story. NPOV 12:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I think they help balance the story and should be left. --Cspurrier 17:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Justification as "neutralizing" is irrelevant. This is a news item, the content of the entry for it must be the event it reports on and related material. That related material however, does not have the value of the event by any margin at all. The direct quote is excessive. A summary statement similarly to what follows is more NPOV: "Some members of the extended Seehan family oppose Cindy's action."

 * Surely if you are going to report on one person's feelings about the manner, you should also include others? Keep the quote.  And besides, two "agree votes" (if you can even call them that) are not a consensus. --Mrmiscellanious 19:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not really, the extended family only sent one email to Drudge. The story is about a diufficult extended action, not an email.  Nyarlathotep 18:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The aspect it seems you claim justify the inclusion of the quote seem to be no more than: the quote from representative of that faction of the extended family, response by Seehan of awareness of that faction, and comment that her direct family support her. The news is that Seehan's encampment has gained greater support from the family of other soldiers killed. Summary statement of both aspects of the disputed area including the quote and the extended commentary on Seehan's response to its publicity should be provided for completeness but the presence of a full quote from the opposition in the extended family and the commentary on Seehan's response to it are both out of place here.

 * So, you do not approve of the opposition quote in this article for what reason? It certainly relates to the article.  Furthermore, we are not here to gain support for Ms. Sheehan - we are not here to take a side.  --Mrmiscellanious 20:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I do not approve of the mention of secondary information with emphasis as to confuse the focus of the entry from its primary point. This is not an editorial. The length of the quote and response to it deflect focus from the news recounted-that greater numbers have gathered into Seehan's encampment. This based on its title is the focus and not a comprehensive overview. I advocate that summaries as short as possible replace the present forms. This seems not to have been clear in either comments made previously but stated again to correct misinterpretations. Quoting extended family accusing Seehan of covertly operating for class of purpose that they directly operate for only reports on a political feud in that family and only reduces the article's worth.
 * Agreed, its about emphasis, no one here is objecting to mentioning it. Can we delete the quote and link to Drudge?  At minimum, we should delete the quote's signature, it really does not warrant so much space.  Nyarlathotep 18:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have removed the quote. The concensus is to take it out. If the minority opinion puts it back, just keep taking it out. Paulrevere2005 21:45, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Paul, the vote is at 2-2 (NPOV is no longer with us). That is not a consensus.  Nevertheless, there is no justification for taking it out - it isn't anywhere near breaking the NPOV policy.  In fact, excluding it for no reason (as it does relate to the story) would be more of a violation of the NPOV policy than including it.  --Mrmiscellanious 22:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Heisenberg-ish...
"Mother's plea to U.S. president gains widespread attention"... this is equivatlent to "newspaper reports on news story" No; it's more like a big story we had a week ago "Bush says 'we're at war'" Paulrevere2005 21:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


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 * Thanks for jumping in there... will continue the conversation. I've added some stuff, too. - Amgine/talk 01:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Podcast
Sweet! Loud, for me... I think my system is terminally low-volume recording.

How do you get the loop to work? What software are you using to record? - Amgine/talk 21:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Latest installment
Cool job! you sound so relaxed... I need to practice that. - Amgine/talk 22:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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If so, please join #wikinews. Or use the link at the top of the page "Real-Time Chat" to join using a webpage. I'd like to chat with you. - Amgine

Audio Wikinews
Yeah, we need to let this be well known by having an administrator add an infobox on the main page (it could include Wikinews Vdeo and Print, too). NGerda 03:53, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The new version Redge is working on has a link to all three. --Cspurrier 14:05, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Amgine wants to know if you can get on Wikinews IRC so we can talk about Audio Wikinews. NGerda 18:00, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

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It is hosted on my server for two reasons, the first is I wanted to be able to use fair use,(non-issue with the new fair use policy), the second reason is that I wanted it to be downloadable in poth PDF and SXW. I wanted to ensure that it can be downloaded in a free easily editable format, since in is created in OO.org SXW is the logical choice. However Commons does not support SXW, if wikinews does enable SXW support then I can start uploading it to Wikinews. --Cspurrier 15:56, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Audio Wiki News
how is your audio wikinews work, do you need a steaming server, i can provide one.--Ryan524 01:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice comment
Thanks for your nice comment -- I'm getting MORE relaxed, but I'm not entirely at ease. --Chiacomo 15:40, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews 'Music'
I have downloaded Audacity and would like to start reading the news. I'd like to know where you get the backgroud music from. It isn't "Rave Wave" anymore. --Munchkinguy 04:02, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments. I have sped my first newsbrief up a bit; NGerda said it was too slow. Now I think I might have made it too fast. Should I revert it? --Munchkinguy 02:35, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unapproved Vacation
You didn't submit the proper forms for your vacation... If you do go, you'll have to settle for unpaid leave. Don't take it out on me -- talk to personnel. Of course, if you can find something to write about while you're travelling, perhaps you can expense the whole vacation! ''Have a great break... ;-)'' --Chiacomo (talk) 19:12, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

An invitation...
I'm attempting to start up a new edition of Wikinews, one with a simpler user contributions system at Wikinews/Start a new edition. The goals of this project would be to simplify the process of submitting articles such that anyone with no knowledge of the Mediawiki software or the Wikimedia projects culture can easily understand and submit an article, and immediately see it on the main page developing articles section.

If you would be interested in supporting this project I would be pleased if you would sign up at the Meta page.

Waxman story
I was taking a crack at it when you put on the tag. Have another look when you can. Best regards -Edbrown05 05:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

CheckIt
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Hi
Yo, dude, I'm bored. Skype me. -- NGerda 19:37, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Template: Audio
There is already a template for Audio Wikinews (see ). --Mrmiscellanious 19:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Template:Audio has a different purpose than Template:AW. Audio is meant as a near-EXACT reading of a specific article. AW is meant to refer readers to an AW story which features the same topic, but is not an exact reading of the the text. -- Davodd | Talk 23:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Audio Wikinews Full Reports are verbatim readings of Wikinews articles. -- NGerda 23:44, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Yo.
Hey Mr. M.! I just got my iBook back from Apple (was having video display issues), and my basement studio is in construction once again. I'll see you in IRC and Skype in about 15 minutes, bro. -- NGerda 18:02, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Pig Gig
Great article! You're going to publish on the main page, right? Also, good move on the "detainee" article -- even though they're apparently going to transfer detainees from places other than Gitmo.. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Mr. M! I'm back in The O.C. now. Love to talk with ya! -- NGerda 00:29, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome message
Thanks for the warm welcome. I've been working over on wikipedia for a while now and one of my projects there was News sources on wikipedia. I came over here (wikinews) to put in some links to this resource. I decided against creating a clone of the resource on wikinews as it would create twice the maintenance work. I think I'll probably constrain my work here to promoting NPOV through the way resources are organised.

Regards, Barnaby dawson 13:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Israeli greenhouses to be preserved after Gaza pullout

The comments about not scorched earth is POV considering there are contrary indicators within the 1 source. Please don't remove reference to those indicators. 65.95.151.66 04:09, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

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60th anniversary of the end of the war in Asia and Pacific commemorated

August 15, 2005

The 60th anniversary of the end of Pacific War, has been commemorated by some people.

The first such commemoration was declared 60 years ago today, after Japan unconditionally surrendered following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as VJ Day in the Allies. In Japan it is called "Commemoration Day of the End of the War". In Korea, one of former colonies of Japan, it has been celebrated as Independence Day, literally the Day when light was retreved. It is commemorated in the USA on 14 August, in most countries, on 15 August.

At yesterday Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi laid a wreath at the Chidorigafuchi military ceremony and today expressed "deep remorse" and "heartfelt apology" for his country's past colonial rule and military aggression at the national commemoration ceremony. He also pledged co-operation with Japan's Asian neighbours to maintain peace and that his country would never go to war again. No such apologies were issued by Western governments for their past colonial rule or military aggressions at this or any other commemorations. There has been an apology made for imprisoning Japanese American citizens during WW2.

The Japanese ceremony was held at about noon, the exact time the surrender had been announced. Over 6000 people including the Emperor and Empress, political, industal, union and religious leaders as well as families of dead soldiers attended the ceremony in Budokan, Tokyo with a wreath being laid. In Japan, this day is the Commemoration Day of the End of the War"; the dead during the war, mainly on the battlefield, are commemorated, not only from World War II, but also the Sino-Japanese War, which lasted for fifteen years from 1930. Flags were lowered to half-mast for their commemoration and at the noon bells, sirens and other means urged the people to pray for them in a minute of silence.

The national commemoration ceremony this year in Japan was characterised by the absence of any parents of dead soldiers for the first time since 1946. The number of testimonies of that period has also declined.

The Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi decided not to go to the Yasukuni Shrine which commemorates Japan's war dead, including 14 indivuduals judged Class A war criminals by the Allies. Forty-one members of the Japanese Diet did, however, visit the shrine, mostly to honour their own ancestors. Last year, Mr Koizumi's visit to the shrine sparked anti-Japanese riots in China.

Commemoration events have already taken place across the United Kingdom, including a major event at Blenheim Palace -- home of the late Prime Minister, Sir Winston Churchill. The UK previously marked the 60th VE Day and VJ Day in a combined national day of commemoration on 10 July.

Today, the Duke of Edinburgh —. Patron of the Burma Star Association and a Royal Navy veteran of the war in the Mediterranean and Pacific —. laid a wreath at the Malta Siege Memorial in central London. He later met with veterans of the Far East conflict at a service in the Imperial War Museum in London.

Prominent guests included Viscount Slim (son of the late Field Marshal Slim, commander of the British Fourteenth Army in Burma), Countess Mountbatten of Burma (daughter of the late Lord Louis Mountbatten, Supreme Allied Commander South East Asia Theatre), and Dame Vera Lynn.

In Bangkok, Thanpuying Poonsuk Phanomyong, Pridi's widow, attended the unveling of a new memorial dedicated to the Seri Thai at Thammasat University. An exhibition commemorating the end of the war was presided over by the Foreign Minister, Professor Eiji Murashima and Anand Panyarachun.

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Gaza Strip pullout under way

August 15, 2005

Israeli troops have begun implementing the historic pullout plan from the Gaza Strip by delivering eviction notices to the remaining settlers. They now have 48 hours, beginning this morning at 00:00 (UTC+3) to withdraw from their settlements before the army removes them by force.

Many settlers have vowed to resist their evacuation and promised fierce but nonviolent resistance. They have blocked the gate of Neve Dekalim, one of the largest settlements in the Strip, and called upon the soldiers to refuse their orders. "You're a partner to a crime," they screamed to army members.

Maj. Gen. Dan Harel, Israel's commander over the Gaza Strip, said the army will not waver in managing the pullout: "We will reach every settler, just as we have planned."

The IDF has sent about 55,000 troops to evacuate some 8,500 settlers.

The Israeli government believes that the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip is vital for the security of the country, although the decision to withdraw was very controversial, causing splits in Sharon's governing Likud party. Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz called it a "painful and difficult, but historic day".

In a televised prime time address, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon outlined his reasons for the withdrawal: "This act is essential for Israel. Believe me, the pain I feel with this act is the full realisation that we must do it. [...] We cannot hold onto Gaza forever, more than a milion Palestinians live there [...] crowded in refugee camps, poverty and hotbeds of hatred with no hope on the horizon." Sharon also said that if any terrorist attacks by Palestinians were to occur after the pull-out his government would deliever the "harshest response ever". But he also stated that if the Palestians would stretch out their hand in peace "we will respond with an olive branch."

The Palestinian Authority fully agrees with the Israeli actions. "We tell the Israeli people, `You have chosen the right path,'. Don't listen to the voices of the extremists who want a continuation of the occupation. I don't want — and I will not accept — any clashes with the army or the settlers," Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told Channel 10 TV. Abbas also insisted that Israel must hand over control over the West Bank and East Jerusalem as well in the not so far future.

The PA itself has deployed some 7,500 security to prevent attacks by Palestinian extremists.

The Gaza Strip has been partially occupied by Jewish settlers for 38 years. The average per capita Palestinian annual income there in 2001 was $625 U.S. dollars and there are extreme dietary deficiencies among the Palestinian people. Israel has given no assurances that there will be a lessening of trade restrictions on goods coming out of the Gaza strip.

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Orioles' Palmeiro gets mixed baseball fan greeting

August 15, 2005 Rafael Palmeiro, the Havana, Cuba born left-handed first baseman for the Major League Baseball team Baltimore Orioles, returned to play following a 10-game suspension after testing positive for banned steroids. Orioles interim manager Sam Perlozzo had Mr. Palmeiro wait three days in the dugout after his suspension before placing him in the play lineup.

His first appearance at bat at the Sunday contest in Camden Yards against the Toronto Blue Jays before a crowd of 30, 954 - a 64% capacity - was met with mixed reaction.

Mr. Palmeiro is under investigation for possible perjury after he testified under oath to the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform on March 17, 2005 that, "I have never used steroids. Period."

"Raffy", his nickname among fans, was sixth at bat and designated hitter during the first inning and was walked by Blue Jays pitcher Miguel Batista.

Mr. Palmeiro, aged 40 and with a .277 batting average, is only the fourth baseball player to have at least 3,000 hits and more than 500 home runs during his career. He has earned the ire of fans and players alike because of contentions that his steroid usage enabled him to accomplish the rare feat.

Mr. Palmeiro's four at-bat appearances were less than stellar. He hit three grounders mid-game after being walked in the first inning.

Baltimore trailed the Blue Jays 7-6 with two men on base and two outs in the ninth inning when Mr. Palmeiro was sent to bat. He hit a fly ball which was caught by Blue Jay right-fielder Alex Rios, thus ending the game, making it the Blue Jays' fifth win in six games.

Afterwards, Mr. Palmeiro told reporters, "I just wanted to get a hit. My timing was off."

Coach Perlozzo commented about Mr. Palmeiro's appearance saying, "I'm sure it's a relief to get it out of the way. He's probably gone in there, taken a deep breath and gone, 'Whew, I'm glad that's over with. Now I can go ahead and play real baseball.' "

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Talk:60th anniversary of the end of the war in Asia and Pacific commemorated

I know it is a habit among English speaking world, but dare say "VJ Day" sounds POVed, at least reflecting only the sole side, the Allies. Even in words, it sounds alogical "Japan commemorated VJ Day". --Aphaia 14:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * It is accurate, though. The Allies did achieve Victory over Japan (VJ Day). The reason there is only really the Allied side in this article is simply because I couldn't (and still can't) find any quotes from Japanese veterans about the end of the war. I would also love if someone could add something on VJ commemorations in the US, New Zealand, Australia, Asia, and any other appropiate place. Take care SoLando 21:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * SoLando, you miss my point. I don't complain about the content, it is easy for me to imagine you failed to find those pieces of information mainly because of language barrier. My complaint is around the POV of this TITLE.
 * The problem is this POVed title makes me hesitate to add information from Japan. I tried to add commemoration celemonies and some related political events but this title isn't suitable for those informaiton. As for Japanese, Koizumi (the Prime Minister of Japan) is mentioned on this article. I propose more neutral headline like "The end of the Pacific War commemorated". --Aphaia 23:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

If anyone doesn't oppose or propose much better headline, I'd like to move it to "60th anniversary of the Pacific War ..." for the sake of NPOV. Thank you for your attention in advance. --Aphaia 00:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure if Pacific would be appropiate. VJ Day also remembers the conflict on the Far East mainland (Burma, Malaysia, India, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc.), and if Pacific was used, it could be construed that it ignores the Commonwealth contribution. SoLando 01:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Though the term "Pacific War" is a proper (thus technical) term, but it could imply what you suggested. I am satisfied with the title you named and hope the other too. Aphaia 01:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Well done to all involved. This title is much better and the article is shaping up nicely, I think. Can we remove the tag now? --Chiacomo  (talk) 01:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

(nods) but it needs "cleanup" tag now due to my addition; your copyediting is welcome. By the way, as for veterans' quotes I can't find like that from Japanese media. As written, families rather than veterans are focused on in this day. Commemoration quote(s) might be available, but no veterans quote. Dear. --Aphaia 07:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Japanese veterans' quotes

 * I saw a Japanese veteran last night on Newsnight. Unfortunately, I've forgot what he said :-( Its a pity Newsnight doesn't have any transcripts online. Did anyone (for whatever reason) record last night's program? SoLando 08:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Jeff's comment
Okay, I don't mind that someone with a POV axe to grind tries to include "NPOV" information about how evil America is in all such article, as the data is usualy true, if generally poorly cited. But can such people please stop putting every stupid sentence on seperate lines!! I'm going to merge your paragraphs this time, but in future I may just start deleting one sentence paragraphs which seem somewhat redundent. Nyarlathotep 20:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Jeff, I can't guess why your comment following my original message. Could you explain what made you talk in so hostile please? Aphaia
 * Um, not sure myself, I just put it someplace in the talk page. I stongly object to these silly sequences of one sentence paragraphs pretending to be NPOV information, but invariably POV by virtue of being off topic.  Don't know who put them there, don't care really, just felt like bitching about it and merging them into one paragraph.  But Davodd had more guts and just deleted the lot of them, which made for a much better solution. Nyarlathotep 07:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Davodd, It would be okay to leave some of the firebombing comments in, we'd all be better off if we remembered that all sides do nasty things in war, but I'm glad you eliminated them from that early paragraph, as they needed to be put later in the article.

Please Stop the Pro-Western POV
Please stop the pro-american/uk edits.Obviously the firebombings are a huge part of the so-called "victory". NPOV 23:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The firebombings, I'm certain, contributed to the victory -- they do not, however relate to the commemoration of the "victory"... Perhaps they'd be better placed in a WP article. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:41, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No they are not a huge part of *this* story. But they relevant enough to mention, just not in the first half of the story.  One could get away with a single short sentence in paragraph 3, but I would not do it.  The proper solution is to end the article with two short paragraphs which say (a) someone important actually feels that celebrating VJ Day is tasteless, and (b) they feel this way because America did bad things in the war.  You can't just insert tangentially related facts into paragraph three, and you can't just insert three one line Anti-American talking points as sentences, as that is more POV than leaving the info out.  If you want to include your quotes of that general making an ass of himself, just go search Chompsky's site for VJ Day, or better yet find some Japanese American's criticizing the celebration.  Nyarlathotep 23:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Patent nonsense. It is grossly overbearing american/uk POV to report a 100%celebratory article about an event that many millions consider to be a result of and part of war crimes. It would be like reporting on the war in Europe and not mentioning the holocaust. Please remember this is not a western clique. NPOV 23:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Please also remember that we are reporting news -- current news -- and that you are more than welcome to include current news from any reputable source which would include criticism of the celebration. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Patent nonsense. It is grossly overbearing american/uk POV to report a 100%celebratory article about an event that many millions consider to be a result of and part of war crimes. It would be like reporting on the war in Europe and not mentioning the holocaust. Please remember this is not a western clique. NPOV 23:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

(besides Mr. or Ms. NPOV's argument) The point is the Japanese people don't commemorate "VJ Day" but "the End of War", precisely "the Deads during the war" (though there have been argument about the people commemorated but I don't touch it now). It is the day of prayer and commemoration for Japanese. Not celebration. So it is very bizzarre and irritate for me at least this article and its headline pretends the whole world "cerebrate" "VJ Day". That is why I feel the headline is inappropriate to express the whole of events in that day. I don't want to add information about commemoration celemonies to the article under the current headline, because it seems to me heavily inappropriate. --Aphaia 00:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * What would be a more acceptable title? I though perhaps "WWII Allied nations commemorate Victory over Japan" but that would still not be appropriate for the content you mentioned... Perhaps "World remembers end of war with Japan, WWII" or something? --Chiacomo (talk) 00:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I understand that the firebombing was atrocious, but a current source linking the bombing to the celebration would be more appropriate... as this article concerns the commemoration and not the victory itself. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Honestly I can't figure the relevance of Tokyo bombing on March, 1945. Yes, it was one of significant events but there were more events which had stronger relevance (like two atomic bombing and Soviet engagement). Moreover, Mr. or Ms. NPOV if you want to refer to bombardment, it would be better to refer to bombardments on August 14, 1945, performed during the time after the Japanese gov't indicated to their surrender to the Allies till the surrender was announcement at the next day. Sorry to say, I wonder if you have accurate knowledge on these issues. --Aphaia 23:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Unpublished, unfeatured due to POV Edit war
Being that this article is in the midst of a POV edit war, I have removed it from featured story and published status. -- Davodd | Talk 00:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

One Question??????
If we were reporting that al-queda was having a special "celebration day" next month commemorating their "victory"(in their sick minds) on 9/11 and their press release didn't mention the many innocent deaths they caused...would you still be saying I could not add to our story references to the deaths and horror their "victory" caused??? NPOV 00:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I would probably try to find a current source to cite and then include the details. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Not a cogent argument. re fallacies in the above arguments by User:NPOV: Fallacy Of Composition, Affirming The Consequent, Pious Fraud, Argument By Emotive Language, Appeal To Pity, Begging The Question, Bad Analogy, Argument From Spurious Similarity, Argument By Selective Observation, among others. -- Davodd | Talk 00:31, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The question was whether anyone would object if I used a 4 year old story about the attacks to quote the facts regarding the victims. NPOV 00:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the Tokyo bombings should be included in this article. This is about the 60th anniversary of the end of the war. It would be more appropriate to have a quotes section, with quotes from indivudual veterans from the major countries involved ABOUT the end of the war. SoLando 01:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Seconded. If you like, you are welcome to submit another article about commemoration Tokyo Bombing, not only March 10, but also Dolittile attack, May 1945, or Osaka Bombning on August 14; it would have been catchy successive commemorations; But as for the current article, Tokyo bombing doesn't seem to be a relevant topic. --Aphaia 02:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Every statement of fact must be cited.
To avoid an author's bias, every statement of fact should be cited to a recent source. -- Davodd | Talk 00:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

There was a good source, in fact several; but they were also edited out. NPOV 00:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

It seems that an Administrator is distracting me from this discussion
Administrator Chiacomo is aggressively pushing me to change my user name right now on his and my talk page. That is taking my time away from this discussion. NPOV 01:03, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

VJ day or VP day?
What's the official name?
 * VJ Day is the official name in most English-speaking countries. It is the counterpart to VE Day when Germany surrendered. -- Davodd | Talk 03:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * A problem is, it is hard to distinguish to VE and VF in case of those letters underlined ... sorry for digression, but first I couldn't guess at all. --Aphaia 07:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Administrator now threatening to block me if I discuss this article under my username
See NPOV talk page. I suppose I could discuss the article under another username but that would be giving in to this terrible(imo) behaviour. I will not discuss this article until I can do so under the username I started discussing it with. Please go to the watercooler topic I began about this sad soap opera. 67.71.122.213 03:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * To help you get a better response, please post this type of comment about alleged Administrator abuse to Administrators, where the appropriate folks can hear your concerns and address any problems. -- Davodd | Talk 03:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Visiting that page points you to Admin action alerts. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This statement shows this is not a real anniversary;
just a western gov. PR event subject to whim.

"The UK previously marked the 60th VE Day and VJ Day in a combined national day of commemoration on 10 July." NPOV 11:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Why the British part was stripped? It seems to have news value and fitted the former part in the reports from Japan, the generations of people who commemorated the war has been shifting --- former by soldiers' parents, nowadays by their children. Statistic data about the nat'l commemoration celemony proves the same tendency. --Aphaia 12:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Moved from WN:DR
Rules are made to be broken it appears

"Articles written from other news sources are listed here for a period of three days." Neutralizer 19:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it also says there "Articles must fall foul of the Deletion guidelines to be listed here.". Even with some imagination I don't see how this article could fall under these guidelines. --Deprifry 19:34, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

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60th anniversary of the end of the war in Asia and Pacific commemorated
Article is entirely about a past, no-longer current event--Article not newsworthy--Grossly biased US/UK Pov that the war crimes against Japan are something to celebrate.

 * Delete; Pure western opinion piece.POV drips from every sentence and link. Pride in the victory and no mention of the victims. Not a current event; a 60th. anniversary of what? Firebombing and atomic bombing women and children? --67.71.122.213
 * Keep Article is about current commemorations of the end of the war in the pacific; facts in article propery sourced to cited articles. Above user is trolling. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * COMMENTthe above personal attack "Above user is trolling"note wikipedia definition"In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse."..that personal attack is not appropriate, especially here, and is a slanderous lie. 64.229.30.142 12:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment As creator of article, I won't vote. All I'll say is this: the commemorations are not "celebrating" "war crimes". The commemorations are literally to mark the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and not the many questionable acts committed by all sides during the war. Take care SoLando 04:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid topic. -- Davodd | Talk 06:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Two major commemoration celemonies attended by royals in different countries for a same historical period - contenporary enough, ne. --Aphaia 07:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Its news. Plus, the article could include all info which anyone wants included, but the editor(s) with an anti-US POV refuse to fit their info into context, or even cite sources.  Nyarlathotep 07:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, like mentioned it's news and an event commemorated in many parts of the world, with the current title change it's a perfectly fine new article. 130.89.11.31 07:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A full discussion of the decision to drop the bombs would require us to include the Japanese "sneak attack" on Pearl Harbor, Japanese atrocities against prisoners of war and civilians in nations they occupied (such as the Rape of Nanking, Manchuria), Japan's refusal to surrender despite military defeat of their naval and air forces, and the probability that millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers would have died in a land invasion. While this discussion is worthwhile, I'm not sure we should go into these details in the news article. Also note that many other news orgs reported this story. StuRat 09:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for the reasons above. And take off the tag now, enough votes for it? ClareWhite 12:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Anti-US POV
"Neutralizer", pleas refrain from pushing what appears to be an anti-US POV. The bombing of Tokyo was an awful tragedy but it is not relevant to the context of this article - as others have already pointed out. This article is about ceremonies' that have taken place recently, and should only have text relevant to that fact.

At the risk of repetition from previous statements up ^, the bombing of Tokyo would have been better in a separate article about its commemoration earlier this year.

May I direct you to Bombing of Tokyo in World War II at Wikipedia if you would like to contribute on an article relating to the bombings. Take care SoLando 19:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


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U.S. study of gay sheep may shed light on sexuality

August 15, 2005

Oregon State University (OSU) animal researchers in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Dubois, Idaho-based Sheep Experiment Station released a report on an OSU-USDA study which was initiated in 1995 after breeders asked the government to determine why some rams bought as breeding studs showed no interest in females. The researchers are working under a $2.8 million grant from the National Institutes of Health in hopes of developing a test which can determine the likelihood of a ram being female-oriented before it is sold as a stud.

By studying difference in the animal's brains after slaughter, the study also showed what could be a biological determiner for what makes a ram male-oriented instead of female-oriented sexually. The scientists' results showed that the anterior preoptic area of the rams' hypothalamus was 50 percent smaller in male-oriented rams as opposed to female oriented rams. A 1991 study of human brains of AIDS victims showed a similar hypothalamus size difference between gay and heterosexual men.

The sheep researchers postulate that low levels of aromatase hormones in the brain of a developing male sheep fetus may have kept the brain from fully masculinizing, leading to sexually male-oriented rams.

"This lends further support to the idea that homosexuality has biological underpinnings," Charles Roselli, a professor of physiology and pharmacology, said in an interview with the Corvallis Gazette-Times.

Professor Stormshak believes that "understanding sexual drives and the continuum of sexual behavior could possibly help explain the scientific basis of sexual assault [and] put an end to assertions that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice."


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Chelsea signs Essien for £26 million

August 15, 2005

Michael Essien will sign a contract worth £26 million (US$47 million, €38 million) with the London football club Chelsea. The record-breaking offer from Chelsea was accepted by the French club Lyon on Monday. Several of Chelsea's previous offers were rejected.

Essien, the 22-year old Ghanian midlfielder, did not sign the 5-year contract on Tuesday as planned, because Lyon delayed sending the necessary forms to complete the transfer. Lyon will receive Chelsea player Tiago along with the payment worth one third of Lyon's budget.

Essien will likely now arrive in London on Wednesday or Thursday for his medical.

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Coroner makes first post mortems of Athens airliner crash victims; text message was a hoax

August 15, 2005

The first findings from the preliminary investigations into Sunday's air disaster have been released. All 121 on board a Helios Boeing 737 died when it crashed near Athens after flying from Cyprus. A text message, reportedly sent from the doomed aircraft, has also been revealed as a hoax.

Greek Chief Coroner Philippos Koutsaftis stated "Until now I have done an autopsy on six bodies and first evidence is that when they were killed they had circulation in their heart and lungs.

"That does not mean that they were conscious but that they had breath and circulation. They had circulation and heartbeat so they were alive."

Initial reports from the Greek Defence Ministry had suggested the bodies were "frozen solid" at the moment of impact.

The coroner stressed that as more post mortems were carried out new evidence may come to light.

Nothing is known about the cause of the disaster beyond the fact that everyone on board the airliner was incapacitated at some point, and that emergency oxygen masks had been used. Speculation abounds, with the theory that the airliner failed to maintain pressurisation at some point being the most popular theory.

Helios has said the aircraft was maintained in line with European regulations and had also received a standard inspection before take-off.

Greek police have also arrested a man who claimed his cousin texted him from the airliner, saying the pilots were blue in the face and that they were freezing. He was brought to the district attorney where two charges were filed against him, for lying to the authorities and for spreading false information, and a trial was scheduled. The man claimed that his intention was to gain publicity.

Police have also attended Helios's offices to requisition documents as part of the investigation into the disaster.

It has also been revealed that Helios is owned by a British company, Libra Holidays Group. Helios are giving the relatives of each victim €19,000 in initial compensation, as is required by the Montreal Convention and EU regulations.


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