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In the UK, at least, I have never, ever, heard of Prince William being called "Prince William of Wales". — μ 14:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well in the US we don't go saying the "President of the US," we just call him "The President." EDIT: usually :P DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * But "Prince William of Wales"? Compare with Prince Charles. — μ 17:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh...I see what you mean, but at the same time, I didn't really do a double take. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I'd go, for the title, with something along the lines of 'British prince' or 'UK prince', and avoid a proper title (i.e. use of prince as a common noun and not a Proper Noun). But yes, this is an awkward one. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have renamed to "UK Prince ..." and will publish. --SVTCobra 00:20, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

please add "royalty" category
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 * ✅ Tyrol5 (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


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This dump lists all eight-hundred-and-something untranscluded templates on English Wikinews. The aim is to root out a few useless ones, as well as to find some gems that perhaps have been overlooked. Bear in mind the following: Articles that are meant to be substituted appear here (such as, and others are meta-templates, such as , which are only transcluded when A1 is parsed.

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... oting at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Virginia 10 months ago that left 32 student ...

that seems incorrect. The VT massacre killed 32 on April 16, 2007. 67.238.165.10 (talk) 21:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * This article was written in mid-February of 2008. Ten months after the VT massacre.  --Pi zero (talk) 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


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User talk:Babji~enwikinews

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Babji. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Babji~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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UK inflation rate increases to 4%

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The have made a statement saying the inflation rate of the United Kingdom measured by the  increased to 4% in January 2011. In December 2010, this figure was 3.7%. According to, 4% is the highest CPI that the UK has experienced since November 2008.

There are various reasons for the raised British inflation rate, including increasing from 17.5% to 20% on January 4 and the value of  rising. The inflation rate of the in the country has increased to 5.1%; previously, the value was 4.8%. The CPI has now been a minimum of a percentage point higher than the intended 2% target for one year and two months.

The ONS revealed that the price of per litre, which the CPI measured at 1.27 (2.04, 1.51) (£5.77/ Imperial gallon), was a record peak. The rising values of tobacco, alcohol, hotels, restaurants, transport and furniture are also said to have caused the increase in VAT. Between December 2010 and January 2011, the rate of the CPI increased by 0.1%, the first time that inflation rose during these two months since records commenced in 1997. The ONS have stated that "[t]wo of the main factors that had an impact on the January data are the increase in the standard rate of Value Added Tax (VAT) to 20% and the continued increase in the price of crude oil".

, the current, has written a letter and sent it to , the present  of the British government. The letter provides an explanation for the inflation outlook and what can be done to overcome it. Within the letter, King states that the inflation is anticipated to increase to 5% within the next few months.

"The MPC's central judgement, under the assumption that Bank rate increases in line with market expectations, remains that inflation will fall back so that it is about as likely to be above the target as below it two to three years ahead," Mervyn King stated in the letter. "The MPC judges that attempting to bring inflation back to the target quickly risks generating undesirable volatility in output and would increase the chances of undershooting the target in the medium term."

During the last week, the UK interest rates remained at 0.5%. The has kept this figure at half a percent for twenty-three consecutive months.

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Wikinews talk:Audio Wikinews/archive 2005

Hey i would like to help out with this, do you have a streaming server, if not i can get my hands on one free, and also i have an idea, you should run it simular to a tv news channel with several shows, one of wich i could do weekdays....so let me know what you all think.--Ryan524 21:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'd really like to get this project started ASAP. I think it has great potential and we can really attract a large number of listeners, and who knows - perhaps get picked up by some independent radio stations out there :D.

But we'll need a few things to get started, so here it goes:

- Anchors, perhaps figure out a time that's best for us all to broadcast a short clip at a certain time each day. We could also take turns on a chat on Skype and see how that works, but I'm not sure on how good the quality would be.

- Primary audio format, I'd like to use Vorbis but not many DAP's support this, so MP3 would have to be used if we were to set up a podcast-like feed. Anything at 64kbps or higher seems to be compatible with most DAP's (at least from my observations) as well, so no need to have uber-great sounding clips. We could also encode in different formats as well.

- Jazzy sound bytes, maybe music licensed under the PD or CC to incorporate into the clips (something to keep them interesting).

- RSS feed updater... I have no clue here, a podcast feed isn't much harder to set up than a regular RSS feed, but I have no idea to start one from a wiki like this.

After that, we'll be up and running. I'll wait for some more feedback here, but I really have high hopes for this project! --Mrmiscellanious 00:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anchors
I'm not sure we need to get too scheduled yet. Whoever has time and equipment should be doing this, I think. We should aim to update the hourly playlist at least twice a day, probably at 0600 and 1800 UTC (1400 and 0200 in my timezone.)
 * I could probably release one around 6 a.m. Eastern (1100 UTC) and again at 3 p.m. (2000 UTC), but I can't guarantee one every single day. --Mrmiscellanious 19:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

File format
Wikinews must be available in free codecs, of course. Commons.wikimedia does not support hosting sound files other than in .ogg. Wikinews does not need to be hosted exclusively on commons, though. I would personally prefer to only support .ogg simply to force more support of this free format from webcasters (our target market, imo) and Macintosh. Supposedly it is possible to play .ogg with iTunes.

Jazzy sound bites
I've been putting out feelers looking for a jingle maker to brand us with, but not getting many bites. I will continue to look, but maybe you have better sources?

The software I'm using, Audacity, would allow me to add background sound tracks, sound clips, and so on. I strongly suspect this is a good idea, but frankly my time is so sucked up during the day I can rarely put enough time into this to get 4-5 brief news headlines written and recorded. Should I ocus on fewer tracks, but adding sound layers?

 * I'm thinking why music? Nature sounds. A bird call landing close by for Wikicast intro ... voice-over dubbed to ocean surf sounds ... bird sound flying off = 3 segments -Edbrown05 02:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * A little bird whispered in my ear... -Edbrown05 02:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Way cool idea!  - Amgine/talk 02:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it! Sits well with me. -Edbrown05 02:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Talk about a way to set us apart from the competetion :) There is an australian bird that is called the magpie (very different to european magpies). Its a damn aggresive, and not particualy good looking bird, but it produces a very destinctive sound. I'll see if i can record one and upload it. Quite possibly its not appropriate, but, hey ill let you guys decide that.  ~The bellman | Smile  07:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here's news. I can get all the ocean sounds we need. The bird stuff is trickier. (A zoo?) Many sound clips are readily available for purchase. No needto go anywhere! -Edbrown05 02:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I found this nice one, "Rave Wave" from musicloops.com that would be a great background/opener for our sound clips. The clip is a loop, unsure of the license, but I was able to have permission from them to use it on my own podcast. I'll send them an email and see what they'll say about the possible usage here. --Mrmiscellanious 19:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RSS feeder
This is a technical item I will need to do research on. I do have some ideas though...

Collaborative scripting and segments
I would like to see the daily news brief being regularly updated and used as the script for an hourly update. We need to keep the hourly update to no more than 5 minutes. And it can be continuously updated through the day, if we'd like.

The way to do have the podcast continuously updated is to keep uploading files as they are recorded, and adding them to the play list (subtracting, too, to stay in the 5 minute time frame.)

 * Can this be done with DynamicPageLinking? Perhaps DPL could be done where the headline + first 2 graphs would be enough to take care of it for Wikicast purposes, it wouldn't necessarily have to be specifically for News Brief page. -Edbrown05 02:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no it can't be, unless we write a separate news brief artice for each regular article. - Amgine/talk 19:48, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Advisement
I am getting some excellent advice from a radio person, and the suggestion is to improve our voices, first. Secondly, we should aim for a small, tight news format. Here's an outline:

 * radio news are shorter than 3 minutes - 2 news + weather forecast
 * 1st news - about 2 minutes (if it's very important), 2nd news - +/- 30-40 seconds and weather forecast - max 5-10 second

Such a short time will mean really really shrinking our news down to just the shortest bullets. - Amgine/talk 22:37, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It depends really. Here in aus (on abc local radio at least) news goes for different lengths of time at different times of the day. We have the kind of news you describe above every quater hour. But we have longer news on the hour. before at 07:45 -08:30 we have 45 mins of news (first fifteen mins is officially news and the next half hour is current affairs program AM, but really AM is not like comercial current affair programs (at least in aus) because it really is just more in depth news - like wikinews articles, and anyway they are both read by the same person, and tend to merge into each other). Again from 17:45 - 18:30 we have the same thing (though now it is called PM). So basically, in conclusion, i presume our target audience is ppl who listen to podcasts, not radio, and even if it was radio there is still a lot of room for movement. I think we should develop a range of podcasts each with specific timelimits, purposes and audiences. Sorry if i sound like im coming back and trying to tell ppl what to do, but im just so excited by this, words really cant express it. best of luck to everyone.  ~The bellman | Smile  07:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Submissions through Skype?
I've found a great way to set up an answering-machine like setup for Skype. I think if we organized the Audio page a little more, and included ways of how users can submit their own bulletins, our project can really get off the ground.

Anyways, back to the Skype machine... if anyone would like to test it out, send a short audio message to wikinewsmachine. I've nicknamed it AWAM (Audio Wikinews Answering Machine), and this will record all incoming Skype conversations. --Mrmiscellanious 04:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Comments
I just heared the latest edition. It's very complete, though probably a bit long. And what happened to the tunes? I believe I heared some tunes on a previous edition. To be frank, the current format seems to me a bit monotone. -- Redge (Talk) 17:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I do agree about the broadcasts being a bit monotone, try and listen to a news broadcast from the Beeb and try to listen to the pauses and how the newsreaders gentley speak in a relaxing mood but being serious and the same time. 159753 15:12, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I am interested in reading Wikinews articles for the Wikinews network and/or Audio Wikinews. How do I do this, where do I send it, and where do I get that backgroud music? --206.45.170.232 01:02, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding your interest in WikiNews Network, we are currently testing out an easy-to-use system to submit a show and get broadcasting. We expect this system to be ready within the next couple of weeks.  I greatly appreciate your interest in WikiNews Network, and hopefully you will still be interested in doing broadcasts when are system is ready. NGerda 02:13, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Transcripts?
I just listened to the latest release. Are there transcripts? What is the source that says "the US military has admitted that the koran had been mishandled"? I'm referring to: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/20050528-1800UTC.ogg
 * I read it off the Wikipedia Current Event section, which links to a BBC article that says the following: "The demonstrations came after the US military admitted some of its guards had mishandled the Muslim holy book." --Mrmiscellanious 21:45, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This has been a very confusing issue in my mind. I'm not sure what to make of the BBC statement. If I look at the ACLU's official website, I can't find any such claim: http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18320&c=206 seems to be current and relevant. All I can find are documents that mention detainees allegations.
 * I agree, that's the only bit I could find (BBC) that claimed the soldiers had to do anything. I was reading it straight off the page, and didn't catch myself until the episode was already published.  This whole item is a mess, I'll stop reporting on it alltogether, it'll be much easier to stick to the facts that way.  --Mrmiscellanious 00:39, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually think this is a place wikinews could shine, by trying to objectively catlogue and sift through the various claims in MSM.

Metric system
Just a minor detail : since this is an international endeavour, shouldn't we provide metric numbers for all measures?
 * Good idea :>) NGerda 16:47, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Oh my fucking god
This is brilliant. You guys have done so much while ive been away. My mind is reeling with the posibilites. WOW. Ok, so ive almost finished my exams and should be on holidays soon (back in a place where the internet connection is free and my ports open (so i can use IRC)) so hopefully ill get involved again.

Questions:
 * 1) Does anyone know if most players that understand the vorbis codec would understand the speex codec? They are both ogg, but speex is designed specifically for speech so can be compressed a whole heap better than vorbis, and is also automagically gets rid of some of the background noise. Through the miracle of ogg packaging however, it is possible to include both speex and vorbis in the one file (if we ever needed something other than speech). Anyway, this isnt really important, just something to keep in the backs of our minds for now.
 * Most, if not all, can properly decode Vorbis and Speex. I have had trouble in the past finding a decent Speex encoder, though - and it is even lesser popular than Vorbis (plus, I don't know if Commons supports Speex files [they're in the OGG container anyway, but I think there's a rule against Speex]).  In any way, we can just recommend VLC to those who can't play back the files. --Mrmiscellanious 04:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) What about regional variations? i presume that at some point in the future we want multiple casts, from different regions and the like, how are we planning on handling this? Are we going to have one 'official' cast, and then multiple casts with different accents. What if two people want to be the voice of Australia (for example)? If this has already been discussed just point me to where.
 * Then they can sign up on the schedule.

 * 1) What basic hardware/software does one need to set this up?
 * Icecast or Nicecast.

Ryan proposed the initial idea for WikiNews Network, and we're working on a new broadcasting system. Think of it as wiki for radio.
 * 1) Who was the driving force behind this (i know DV was trying to get it up and running before he left)? Whoever it was i vigorously shake your hand.

Congratualtions everyone, now: to infinity and beyond.

~The bellman | Smile 07:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh and i forgot, hows about including the quote of the day in there too (if ppl think that it would fit in), just so wikiquote doesnt feel left out ~The bellman | Smile  07:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Lol NGerda 18:26, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

So you want to do a show, huh?
I now have a specification from at least one webcasting group who would like to have Audio Wikinews in their daily schedule. This specification will require hard work from people in this project to meet the demands:

 * An hourly news update:
 * 5 minutes long
 * Short stories a minimum of 20 seconds
 * Long stories a maximum of 90 seconds
 * Updated at least daily
 * If possible, two different news updates, so they can be alternated (even hours have track A, odd hours have track B)

Another optional item is a full news show. This could be a half-hour or a full-hour show. If full-hour it would be in two 29 minute segments with no over-lap.

 * A daily news show
 * 29 minutes
 * Short story minimum 90 seconds
 * Long story maximum 330 seconds
 * Weekly schedule
 * Can be two stories per week (weekend show) or 5 stories per week (weekday show)
 * Format may be multiple broadcaster or single announcer

For each of these we would want to use a single URL so the webcaster may automate the system. I think this can be done on commons; will test to make sure. - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Issues
The current Audio Wikinews page top section excludes people who want to do work on this project. It needs to be changed to be inclusive, so the information about where the program is recorded must be removed.

The project scripts, where they are developed and where they are archived, needs to be prominently advertised so people can get involved in editing them. Can does not mean will, but it needs to be an option. In general, the entire set up is not very public; it needs to be more accessible, more sunlight and less shade. - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would like to start converting all of the Ogg Vorbis files to MP3 files, which are much more widely used. Any comments? --Munchkinguy 30 June 2005 00:14 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, Commons does not accept mp3s if I recall correctly. It's one of the reasons we started with .Ogg - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:17 (UTC)

Discussion
I've been going back through some of the tracks which have been recorded, and we have a great start here! I'm looking for places which would be interested in carrying the feed, so we can get as many audio stations using the material as pl.wikinews has. One thing everyone is looking for is some standards of production (how long it is, etc.) so they can work their schedules around it. What do you folks think? are you interested in making material which will be webcast/broadcast on non-commercial and commercial stations? - Amgine/talk 01:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Why don't the Wikinews Newsbriefs play on the Wikinews Network at the beginning every hour? --Munchkinguy 29 June 2005 23:24 (UTC)

 * Hello? --Munchkinguy 1 July 2005 18:00 (UTC)

Ideas
I think it would be a very good if the Wikinews Reports hade many different voices in the same broadcast. During the day, the articles are continuosly converted into audio files (by different volunteers). When it's time to put the report together, the "Putting-Report-Together-Guy" (PRTG) takes the stories of the day and mixes them together into one full news cast. The PRTG would only have to record the date and end titles, so it would be much faster than now, when the PRTG has to record all the stories himself (and its easier to listen to a report containing different voices, than listening to the same voice for fifteen minutes). I would be happy to contribute to this, but I just want to make sure that it's technically possible. I also need a recording program that can record Ogg Vorbis... Väsk 11:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I really like that idea -- and several individuals can PRTGs. Reports could be uploaded to commons and the Vorbis files posted to Audio Wikinews/Reports... The variation in voices, etc, would be great. Briefs and Full Reports might or might not include some of the same stories -- depending on whether it's still up-to-date news or if the story has been updated. As reports are edited into programs (by the PRTGs), they can make notes on the above Reports page so folks will know what's going on... Anyone object if I mock up the Reports page?

 * By the way, Audacity works great for encoding to Vorbis. --Chiacomo (talk) 18:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I found out about Audacity later, you should add something about how to record and recommended software on the WNN pages. I recorded one this morning: Google planning PayPal rival. Väsk 21:15, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We need to find a way to notify one-another that we're working on a brief or full report. I just finished a brief and reloaded the Audio Wikinews page to find one was very recently submitted. Perhaps contributors could simply add the next line to the table and insert "In production" in the spot where the file link will later go. How does that sound? --Chiacomo (talk) 03:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Buenisimo! NGerda 04:03, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

It would be nice if there was a link to http://www.jcraft.com/jorbis/player/JOrbisPlayer.php?play=http://somewhere/test.ogg in the template so that people could just use a java based player if they want. I will add it in now, hopefully it will get used. --Jonbro 18:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Daily newscasts
As of next week, i'm going to be looking at doing a daily broadcast at various different times. If anyone has any complaints of this, please let me know.--Matt von Furrie 28 June 2005 09:40 (UTC)

 * What do you mean by a daily broadcast? Would love to know what the plan is. - Amgine/talk 28 June 2005 20:58 (UTC)

Interlanguage cooperation concerning news briefs
On french wikinews, we try to set up a similar project to Audio Wikinews : Wikinews:Audio (it's just in testing right now, as we haven't got the approval of the community and as we need more articles...) anyway, we've thought about creating a common (interlanguage) news brief - as translation of one or two lines technically is easier than whole articles. These international news briefs would have to concern only globally important matters (mainly politics, conflicts, diplomacy). What do you think of this idea and the possible creation of a project on Meta (after having Spanish, German wikinews with us) ? Faager - «?» 28 June 2005 20:23 (UTC)
 * What language would it be in? NGerda June 28, 2005 20:24 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, it is a great idea. Are you thinking of international news briefs in english or in more than one language? --SonicR 28 June 2005 20:33 (UTC)
 * We had thought of multilingual news briefs (at least English, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, Swedish and French which are the 7 "biggest" Wikinewses). It'd meet the international ambition of Wikinews giving the same - reworked and reviewed (through the multilingual revision process) information to everyone for global issues. Faager - «?» 29 June 2005 16:35 (UTC)
 * This is sort of started, in concept at least, here on en. See News briefs. The news briefs are templated into the top of each daily category as well. The New brief actually is made up of short articles attached to main articles in the form Article name/Brief, which makes it easy to find and use it in many different ways. - Amgine/talk 28 June 2005 21:02 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what we'd want to make accessible to any language - a cooperation to achieve greater quantity (and quality). Faager - «?» 29 June 2005 16:35 (UTC)
 * I can set this up for any site which wants something similar, or we could create briefs here for foreign language articles. How would you like this to work? - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 02:31 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer it to be a project hosted by Meta, so that en.wikinews doesn't become central or gains even more importance than that it already has. Faager - «?» 30 June 2005 16:37 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will begin building a system on meta if I can. It should be located at Wikinews/Audio Wikinews briefs within a day or two. - Amgine/talk 3 July 2005 01:42 (UTC)

Standardized Scripting for Briefs and Full Reports
There's been some discussion recently on talk pages as well as IRC about on trying to standardize script templates for Briefs and Full Reports. If Wikinews audio content is to be picked up by online (and potentially on-air) broadcasters, it will be important for them to know what to expect as concerns length of segments, etc... Our listeners will expect and should receive a "standardized" package -- perhaps introductions of segments should be essentially the same, the format and order of content should be somewhat the same, etc...

Additionally, as we are wiki, it is essential that our scripts be products of the community and open to editing and comment. Current practice (my own included) has been to prepare the transcript shortly before broadcast, record a brief, and upload. Ashamedly, I confess that I've even prepared briefs without a transcript at all -- only quoting relevant sections of published articles "on the fly".

Recently, some editors of at least News Brief transcripts have experimented with including a "brief" as a subpage of a published article. See Bodies found at crash site of US helicopter in Afghanistan/Brief for an example of a brief attached to an article. That brief was later transcluded into a "News Briefs" page for the appropriate date -- see News briefs:June 30, 2005 for an example. The purpose here is to allow editors to write briefs, perhaps, as they write or edit articles thereby relieving one individual of the responsibility of writing the entire transcript. Articles whose content is included in briefs could be copied into a dated and timed transcript for an Audio Wikinews News Brief. Additionally, I suppose, the transcluded briefs page might be used by some individuals to get a quick synopsis of current news (especially if the practice of including a /Brief page is adopted or at least accepted by the community).

You've read my novel, now some questions:
 * Should we develop or attempt to standardize the opening of Audio Wikinews News Briefs and Full Reports. For example, "This is your Audio Wikinews News Brief for January 1, 2005 at 1930 UTC. I'm John Doe."
 * Should we develop or attempt to standardize "extra" content for AW News Briefs or Full Reports? For example, facts from wikipedia, today in history, inclusions from current events on WP, etc. Coverage and inclusion of these items has been somewhat spotty and there doesn't appear to be an accepted practice.
 * Should we develop or attempt to standardize the closing comments? The closing comments of both AW Briefs and Full Reports list a telephone number and a gmail address -- who is responsible for checking these methods of contacting wikinews? Should these be roles or something rather than an individual responsibility? We certainly should ALWAYS include the statement about Wikinews, the Wikimedia Foundation, and Public Domain.

I'm done typing. Let's see how this goes... --Chiacomo (talk) 2 July 2005 05:03 (UTC)

Any changes we make should be put into the Script Templates. Currently, there is nothing in either of the templates talking about "public domain", so we should probably figure out what to put there. The News Brief template, as it stands, says this about mentioning Wikipedia Current Events: "Keep as short as possible, and discuss items not encompassed above. Should only be used as a time-filler, unless important items are missing above." --Munchkinguy 2 July 2005 17:06 (UTC)

 * I'd really like to see some standardization on the content of these recordings - it really seems a free-for-all at the moment, and the current instructions are a little worrying - they amount to little more than "roll your own"!

 * I can't see what's needed more than people just reading out published articles, then saving them to files with the same name .ogg. People could record as many or as few as they feel like, and hopefully we'd get a mix of people recording (sounds better). Someone could then edit them together to make one complete recording (say for the last day), which could then be podcast and possibly streamed as a loop.

 * Does it need to be any more complex than that? Dan100 (Talk) 3 July 2005 00:34 (UTC)

 * I mostly agree Dan100 (sometimes the way something is written is not so easy to read aloud, so rewording to make it easier may occasionally be necessary.)

 * When it comes to News briefs, obviously we don't want to read entire articles - we want to squeeze a lot of stories into a short amount of time. For these it is fairly easy to pick and choose the stories from each day's News briefs which add up to enough time, again just reading the text from the /Brief which is editable by everyone. There should be "lead-in" (Stating it's a news brief, and the name of the recorder, date and time), and if there is enough time a "lead-out". The lead-out doesn't need to have a lot of information in my opinion.

 * Full reports, on the other hand, should be simple reading of a single article. There should be no lead-in or lead-out. These will be strung together by an "announcer", possibly with sound segués, into a sort of "show" at some point. But first we need to get people to start submitting the recorded stories.

 * That's my two cents, at least - keep it simple, don't spend limited seconds trying to promote Wikinews, use the text content built by the community and avoid trying to be the star of the show; the news is the star, we're just there in a supporting role. - Amgine/talk 3 July 2005 01:39 (UTC)

OK, that sounds like Amgine, Chiacomo and I are pretty much in agreement. Anyone mind if I attack the wn:a page to reflect this? I think the current 'instructions' are causing more trouble than they're worth. Dan100 (Talk) 3 July 2005 10:12 (UTC)
 * Seems fine by me too. --Dcabrilo 3 July 2005 20:18 (UTC)

What do you mean by a "lead-out"? --Munchkinguy 5 July 2005 03:55 (UTC)
 * The bit at the end. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 11:38 (UTC)

Done the overhaul. I discarded rubbish like the 'contact details' (??) and the sound effects section. I changed the terminology a bit: Report=recordings of complete articles, Briefs=recordings of brief versions of articles. If poeple start recording stuff in a reliable and consistent manner, we can start thinking about combininng them to make 'Full reports' and podcasting them (which would be tres cool). Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 13:02 (UTC)
 * Oh and, just in case anyone gets frisky with the Rollback button, you can see what I did here. Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 13:08 (UTC)

I've just noticed that I've just done is exactly what was already suggested under Ideas above :-). So let's make it work! Dan100 (Talk) 5 July 2005 13:16 (UTC)

New format
This is too confusing, guys. Can you please clarify what the new regulations are? I've lost track of what the briefs and reports actually are under this new format - and I'm very confused about all this new stuff. Are compilations of articles still in play, or are we making a recording for every single article now? --Mrmiscellanious 5 July 2005 20:29 (UTC)

I concur. Very confusing. Maybe we should have two seperate sub-pages: one for the recording of each article, and one for the the Full Reports & News Briefs. --Munchkinguy 6 July 2005 02:44 (UTC)

And are we still doing Full Reports? I think they're important (I never did one, but I still think they're important). "Audio Wikinews: Full Report" doesn't seem to fit into either the "report" category (one entire article) or the "brief" category. It is important that we have a daily news program that covers all the important stories of the day. --Munchkinguy 6 July 2005 03:30 (UTC) PS: Can you count the times I said "Important"?

The new new format is much better. Fantastic! No more confusion! --Munchkinguy 01:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Streaming Wikinews
I've been thinking about this a bit and I figure that we could pull it off. If we could garner the support of a site like Live365 since we are non-profit and get a price reduction, wthen we could have instant access to the news without all the trouble of .ogg files. (I had a hell of a time trying to find a player that would play the files.)

One of the problems that I have currently noticed is that we have two programs, not counting the news briefs and full reports. That would start to get repetative quickly. Now both those shows, from what I gather about them as I have not had the chance to listen to them yet, cover most aspects of the general new itself. The other time slots need to be filled with other programs, but I don't really see the search for programs to be strong. Now we already have enough material to do a sports show, a entertainment show, and a politics show (they don't even have to be NPOV (as long as both "sides" would get fair representation) with two or more hosts). The point is that the audio Wikinews and Wikinews Network will stay in a rut until we do these things. Now once these things start to be accomplished the live streaming Wikinews begins to be a true reality.

Back to the Live 365 thing. If we didn't get a price reduction (which I highly doubt we would get anyway) the cost for live relay broadcasting, 200 simultaneous listeners, and 2000 MBs of storage equals $1,199.40 for a year. (yes I'm thinking of donations) For 300 simultaneous listeners its $1,348.90. That is very pricey though. Which is why I'm writing this. I want to know if there are other options for online broadcasting at a lower rate.

I would really like to see this happen so let's figure out a way to do it. -Martinman11 8 July 2005 20:55 (UTC)

It would be nice, but if you look at the scheduale for the streaming Wikinews Network, you can see that there is very little schedualed. --Munchkinguy 9 July 2005 02:22 (UTC)

My point exactly. We need to start producing more programs. -Martinman11 20:54, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Icecast can be used to stream OGG/Vorbis both live/rolling and 'on-demand'. This would require a dedicated server which would cost in the region of at least EUR350 a year for a 10Mbps port. --Pvtparts 09:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Podcast is coming
Folks, I thought I'd update you on this ASAP. I've found a way to get our project to have it's own podcast (one for Full Reports, one for News Briefs), and I'll be working on that mostly this week. Expect for a RSS feed to be up shortly. --Mrmiscellanious 20:16, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

This project is still officially "proposed"

Just a note, though this project is progressing rapidily, it is still only a proposal which has not been officially endorsed by the Foundation or by consesnus of the Wikinews community. -- Davodd | Talk 23:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * At the same time, it never has been officially opposed.   --Mrmiscellanious 00:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * That was added as a mistake. I removed it and apologise for any misunderstanding it caused. -- Davodd | Talk 03:49, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I would love there to be a podcast, but I have reservations calling a feed that links to ogg files a podcast. - Cohesion 05:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Time for a cleanup
This project page is getting a little too disorganized. I think we should have a selection of all the denominations of Audio Wikinews (/News Briefs, /Full Reports, /Spoken Wikinews), and a selection page when users type in "Wikinews: Audio Wikinews". Something like this. --Mrmiscellanious 20:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -- NGerda 20:47, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

"imaginary projects"
NGerda just reverted Dan100's removal of what he labeled as "imaginary projects". As these projects indeed are imaginary, suggest reverting it back to Dan100's last edit. If somebody cares to create proposals for those projects, etc, then we can possibly link to them. --Dejan Čabrilo 02:55, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The projects have proposals, whi are linked to by the curret Audio Wikinews page. The reason I reverted Dan's edit was because he did not discuss or get approval for the major change he made to both the look layout, and links of the Audo Wikinews main page.  -- NGerda 04:07, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Essentialy, they are not Wikinews' projects. The right place to put a proposal for them is on a Water cooler, so I'll revert back to Dan100's edit. --Dejan Čabrilo 04:14, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Dan100's edits should have been discussed. Te current layout was suported above.  -- NGerda 04:19, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

First, I liked the coloured boxes that were there before and that Dan100 calls "ugly". Second, Wikinews World Report is not an imaginary project; there has been one edition of it so far. Therfore, we can have four nice coloured boxes on the project page. --Munchkinguy 04:33, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you Munchkinguy! -- NGerda 04:34, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, it's a matter of taste (I personally don't think there is need for boxes, and like it more in-line). A propo WWR, NGerda recorded it as a "demo", and there is obviosly not enough support for such a show. --Dejan Čabrilo 04:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Dcabrilo, there was an actual show besides the demo. It is linked to on the subproject page that you removed the link to.  Wikinews World Report was supported by 4 Wikinewsies and opposed by 3 Wikinewsies.  -- NGerda 04:39, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * In a very informal vote and a very liberal interpretation of comments. Besides, we are not a democracy here. --Dejan Čabrilo 04:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I would consider a majority vote enough support to lik to a project, though. -- NGerda 04:42, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews is no longer a proposal, it's a community-endorsed project. I removed the links to what are at best ideas, and at worst, rejected proposals.

I was going to keep the boxes but, having been left with only three parts, it didn't look good (plus they were difficult to edit). Furthermore, the descriptions in the boxes were wrong, but there wasn't enough space in them to a decent amount of text to properly describe each subsection.

I'd really like people to embrace Audio Wikinews and support it as it is, rather than use it as a battleground to push pet projects which are generally opposed by the community. Dan100 (Talk) 15:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * But what about the coloured squares? I found them to give the page a much friendlier interface. Also, I think we need a link to the releases.

 * Dan, the colored boxes were there to make it easier and look nicer than just putting text links. The short descriptions went inside the boxes, then a larger description on their own Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/ page, along with their releases.  I have put off on creating the new release pages until FutureTalk2 is complete, and further opinions on the nature of the project and its relation to Wikinews are expressed.  The boxes aren't too hard to edit :-).  --Mrmiscellanious 19:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry. The commoent that says "what about the coloured squares?" was mine. I forgot to log in, and I forgot to sign it. How embarassing. Sorry if this caused anyone to put a Welcome message on my talk page. --Munchkinguy 20:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I changed the project page to sort-of-the-way-it-was-before. Any comments? --Munchkinguy 20:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I support -- NGerda 21:13, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Defining "News Briefs" and "Full Reports"
Since there has never been a definition of either, although Amgine, NGerda and I have been discussing it ever since the beginning of the two. We need to vote on how long and how often the two formats should be.
 * My Proposals:
 * News Briefs should be no longer than 2 minutes, and should be recorded at least daily.
 * Full Reports should be no shorter than 4 minutes, and should be recorded at least weekly.

--Mrmiscellanious 03:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Audio rendering of HTML
I hope this is a constructive suggestion.

I always thought HTML, that conforms to WWW consortium standards, was able to be automatically rendered by an "audio browser", such as a blind person might use. As such, wouldn't it be better to make sure the HTML generated by wikipedia is suitable for audio rendering rather than manually converting articles to audio?

The WWW Consortium has a page about alternative rendering methods, including audio.

'Audio rendering' would also mean that the audio is always in sync with the written text.

I agree though that there are valid reasons for doing the job manually:
 * Community involvement
 * A friendly human voice
 * The audio might flow better if it is not a verbatim copy of the written text.

It would be neat if each page could have a 'read it to me' icon on it. The audio rendering might be done by a java program, downloaded as part of the wikipedia content, so the user doesn't have to specifically have their browser set up for audio. Apart from the java download the additional bandwidth and computing power requirments on the wikimedia servers would be zero.

Failing that the wikimedia servers might do the rendering and provide an ogg file. Providing an ogg would be costly though in terms of bandwidth and computing power.

I haven't actually listened to it, but FreeTTS is a free (BSD license) voice synthesiser written in java.

John Dalton 23:41, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Itunes
Has there been any effort to get this RSS listed on Itunes? Or Odeo? Would be a great ideo IMO. Jacoplane 05:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You can't be listed on itunes because the format is only ogg, which isn't supported by ipods, or really any other major mobile audio hardware. --anon

 * Is there absolutely no way in the world we can also release it as an MP3? --  User:Zanimum


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General Complaints
I like that we're trying to make this better but we have a bunch of concrete problems that need to be fixed more then orginizational problems are gui errors before we start discussing minute details. My biggest complaint is the reporters of the audio news. I think it's great what they're doing but can we get people who don't sound like some guy talking on a $5 mic who has a really annoying voice (or is that what we're going for?)? --69.76.197.242 05:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * As you may know, this is a Wiki operated entirely by volunteer editors. Anyone is free and welcome to create an audio version of an article or a news brief. Most don't use advanced equipment or editing software (Audacity seems to to be the most popular recording tool). If you have a voice that is pleasing to the ear and own professional recording equipment, I would encourage you to use those gifts to record audio content for Wikinews. Please let me know if I can assist you in any way in creating or uploading/updating Audio Wikinews content. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Coming in late on this discussion, But if you Like the way someone sounds, tell them. I imagine all of us like to have our ego's boosted a little and a compliment really helps.  It also helps the announcer/reader gauge their own impact in doing the work. dzcowart 21:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Music
Could someone tell me what the theme tune of Wikinews Full report is? IS it PD?

New Opener Music
I don't really think that the original opener music sounds too professional, that's what motivated me to re-record it. Please listen to and. Also notice that this "premixed music" is actually much easier to use than the original one. So please, give it a try. --Voxhumana 18:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it! I'm starting to use it in my recordings.  Do you have a closer to go with it?  KeithH 09:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it too. It is much better than the orginal opener music. Can we get an admin to support the change in "Official" opener music? dzcowart 21:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Standard date representation
The dates of the News Briefs use the "/" separation character, while the Spoken Wikinews section uses "-". The "-" is the ISO international standard, so I am about to change the "/" characters to "-". See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html. —67-21-48-122 21:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is the point of this?
If a person wanted to listen to the news couldn't they just take the straight text and get it read out to them by a suitable computer program? Am I missing something or doesn't this seem like a lot of wasted effort and money for very little benifit? Mathmo 19:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, granted, voice synthesis has come a long way, but if you really LIKE the sound of a computer-generated voice (or have no other choice because you're visually impaired), nothing stops you for doing that. There is something about the sound of an actual human voice, read over radio or TV, and I think that's what Audio Wikinews tries to emulate.  FWIW, you might ask the Associated Press why they put out video, audio, and podcasts when most people read AP's products.  Just a thought.  KeithH 02:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, guess you are kind of making valid points, Although I did already know that, and it still seems of marginal benifit. After all I expect in only a few shorts years it will be common place for you not to be able to tell the difference of it is "real" or not. Oh well, it does come down to a choice for everybody. You can help out with this, but I'll be keeping my attentions fixed on other parts of the wiki! :p Mathmo 05:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Full Reports
I've just added an "idea" to my Ideas page about continuing the Wikinews Full Reports. It can be viewed at User:Skenmy/Ideas. --Skenmy

Ogg
I'd like to revisit the use of ogg rather than mp3. I use a mac (please no jokes) and have spent a *lot* of time compiling Audacity to work on it. Ogg may be an open standard but it is probably the least supported. Is there any way we could use mp3 instead? WillJenkins 21:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree that it'd be useful to also support the mp3 format (quite often I'm on other computers which don't have any software that can play .ogg files). We should continue to primarily use the OGG format on principle, but if there's any way of additionally supplying MP3 versions (is there any way of doing automatic conversion?), then that would be useful... Frankie Roberto 22:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I remember to have read in another discussion, that mp3 is "out of question" due to licence problems. Sorry, this must sound like I´m trying to squash the starting discussion. I´ll try to find the original source an forward the link. Gumboyaya 07:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Audacity can export to MP3 aswell. I don't see it becoming a lot of extra work for the speaker to make one of each - licensing permitting. --Skenmy 08:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll be honest, my gut feeling was that this would be a licensing issue. I can't think why though, there are free (as in GPL'd) open source coding/decoding codecs for mp3. WillJenkins 10:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I Don't see why everyone has a problem with ogg. Just download a codec and it works fine on WMP or VLC or whatever you're using. I remember reading somewhere that wikimedia projects shalt not use mp3 or othe proporitry formats. I'll try and see if I can find it. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 19:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * From File types:

"The Commons doesn't accept MP3 sound files. These should be converted to Ogg files and use the FLAC, Speex, or Vorbis codecs depending on your needs. Speex is intended for recordings of speech, Vorbis is for general audio and is lossy (quality is reduced) - FLAC is for general audio and is lossless (quality is preserved), but current filesize caps prevent its use for anything but short clips. In most cases, Vorbis should be used."

 * But thats just commons, I'll see if I can find some wikimedia proclamation. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 19:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It says something similiar in Multimedia but no referenses to where it came from. Theres also this post to the mailing list. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 19:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I have a problem with it because a) I don't/can't use WMP b) I have to download VLC specially to listen to Wikinews c) Audacity is the *only* software for the Mac that will record ogg. I had to battle to compile it from source which took a long time. I just don't see it as a very friendly format if novice users have to download special codecs/software just to listen to Wikimedia. WillJenkins 21:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I still haven´t found the discussion I remember. Mabye Bawolff is more successful. I checked the whole watercooler this mornin´, and all I remember at the mo´ is, that someone complained in more or less rude words about ogg-files, and someone else posted a polite but rather clear answer which told clearly, why MP3 can not be used.
 * To skenmy: As you put it correctly, it´s no bother for the speaker to produce an MP3-file with audacity, but the problem - as far as I remember - is closely related to the question of money, combined with judicial questions.
 * To Will Jenkins: Mabye one of the people in IRC can help you. I´d suggest you place your question at around 9 p.m. (your local time) there. I have the best experiences, whenever I had questions, usally someone is around who could at least give me a push in the right direction, or solved my question "from the hip", so to speak/write.
 * Gumboyaya 23:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats a good idea. If not you could email the wikimedia mailing list. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 17:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We can not use MP3s, because they are not a free format. In countries that recognize software patents (US & Japan), there are no free, non-infringing encoders. See pedia for more information.--Cspurrier 18:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * One loophole here, You could create and host the mp3's externally, and then list them on audio wikinews as unoficial media in alternate formats with link. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 18:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

DPL
I noticed that there was the big link for news briefs and spoken wikinews that looked like a title. What do you think of putting a WN:DPL under it of spoken/news breifs? Bawolff ☺☻ 21:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I´m always happy of displaying myself as an ignorant idiot. :)
 * What is DPL?
 * Gumboyaya 21:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I was hoping someone would ask that :)
 * WillJenkins 09:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's an abbreviation for DynamicPageList. In short, this is the thingie that makes new articles magically appear on the main page. --Deprifry|+T+ 09:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Gumboyaya 18:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As Deprify said, It'd make new newsbriefs/spoken wikinews automaticly apeare in a list.

 category=Wikinews audio namespace=image count=3  Bawolff ☺☻ 21:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiCast
Hi,

WikiCast an attempt to have a wiki realted radio staion on the net would like to use Audio Wikinews content

Could someone Please contact me about this?

I have a talk page on the main Wikipedia... ShakespeareFan00 18:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Is this concerning a technical question, or a general question?
 * If it is a Wiki-project, why should there be any problem to transfer the contents of one project to another? Or did I misunderstand your intention?
 * If it is a purely technical question that you´ve got, I´d suggest the Water cooler (technical). There are usally loads of users about, who can help you concerning your questions.
 * Sorry mate, couldn´t find your main page at Wikipedia (which one of the many wikipedias ? :), hence I do hope you read this.
 * greetings Gumboyaya 22:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikinews audio
have belatedly created this category (linked to by a number of media (Image:) pages and articles, and tagged for merger with Category:Audio Wikinews News Briefs and Category:Audio reports. revert (creation or merge tagging), if this is not desired. Doldrums 14:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

copyright issues with news briefs.
What is the copyright situation with news briefs, all they still PD like they were historically, or are new ones CC-BY (like how the rest of wikinews switched). The reason I ask is some on commons have contridicting tags (for example: ) Bawolff ☺☻ 23:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Recent Recording (by Gumboyaya and I anyways) have been released under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License (what that means, IDK, but just what Gumboyaya did, so I used it as well terinjokes User Page / Talk 22:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Audio Wikinews Newsline
I've got an idea, posted about it here: User:Terinjokes/AWN terinjokes User Page / Talk 22:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


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Community Support
Audio Wikinews was created in order to provide an alternative way for users to get the most out of their Wikinews experience. However lately this little project has stalled. The RSS feed for Wikinews Newsbriefs have sat still. People have not taken the time to record a full article. I tried to extend Wikinews outside the computer box, but it too stand still.

This I my plea to the Wikinews user, including myself, care. This project is probably one of the most enjoyable projects of Wikinews. Sure betters the hell out of 3RR and POV. But this project has been left to die. One person (User:Gumboyaya) bravely held all of Audio Wikinews on his shoulders, yet no one came to replace him. We do not act like a team.

I may insult people here, if I do sorry, some people have the ablity to help out, but to not. Bawolff can easily record, but is afraid people might track him down via his voice. MessedRocker can record, just doesn't feel like it, and I simply "don't have the time". All of which are horrible excuses.

All I ask is that others come and support the project. Maybe help write a script, record a cast on Mondays or Wednesdays. Maybe your good at editing, or can run an asterisk server. I'm not asking much, I'm just asking you take a few minutes a day from 3RR and the such to help out on a project.

What's your stance, helping or murder. terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 07:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there are programs out there that can mask your voice. I don't have a good microphone, so I can't do it. Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 23:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See the recent post in Water cooler/proposals - someone is offering to create Festival-based audio renditions of Wikinews stories ("Audio Wikinews... or something like it.."). Although it would be voice synthesis, it might be a means to maintain regular audio content if volunteer strength is lacking. DL+1613 00:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for guilt-tripping me into something I know nothing about. I have a mic, and I'm perfectly willing to record, but I don't know the ins and outs of this project. Can someone help me out? Bl a st  12,01,07 2146 (UTC -5)
 * Same here. I'm new to wikinews, but not some other wikis. Goshzilla 05:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just Take a look at some of the Audio Wikinews documents. Looking at a few scripts, and listening to a couple of broadcasts helped me when I first started. If you have any questions, just let me know over on my talk or on IRC. I'll be happy to answer your questions. terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 05:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll contribute soon, but right now I don't have a microphone. Basso Profundo 15:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How do I get involved? I am a frequent recorder in the Spoken wikipedia project but this layout is confusing, what is suppose to be recorded? Where do I find news briefs, a step by step guide would be helpful but for now could you just direct me to the link I need to get to to record something. And how would I then get about having iTunes radio people play it? Thanks Davumaya 05:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind I figured it out. Whats up with the podcast? .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 09:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I've taken a stab at the News in Review program. Let me know what ya'll think. Leofan7 03:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RSS Feed
On the project page, we gleefully display an pseudo-RSS icon. Should you click on the icon, you'll be taken off foundation webspace to Feedburner! Hopefully you picked up some cookies along the way. Now you might be wondering how to edit such feed. To do so, you must log into a Blogger account (either as MrM or as me), carefully create a new "post", or send a carefully crafted email to an email account only MrM has access to, where it (should) be forwarded as a new "post". We then must wait for Feedburner to update. This doesn't always work (just ask Gumboyaya!).

I'm proposing we create and manage an RSS feed right here on Wikinews. Considering its very easy to display "raw", most RSS readers wouldn't (and shouldn't) know the difference. I've setup a basic one at User:Terinjokes/AW.rss and to display raw (or throw into the many different RSS clients). Everyone like? terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 17:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm currently updating the somehow "official" feed, but its taking a while... (The unofficial feed is already upto date) terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 15:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC) This didn't turn out so well, the ISP started blocking my FTP requests... terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 16:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's never good... user:Bawolff 17:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A working feed would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.60.240.80 (talk) 12:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Would love to record, but ...
As someone who would gladly record items for something like this, I must say I'm discouraged by the confusing manner in which this project is presented. A simple, step by step process should be outlined. Hell, is the project even still alive? It's very hard to tell.

New Vision, New Ideas
As I guess I have become the new forerunner of this project, I would like to state for the record several visions and possible ideas I have for Audio Wikinews.

 * Firstly of course is a bit of a updating of our branding via visual and audio. We probably should adopt the generic sound icon but if we are to move into a new logo, it should closely reflect the sound icon as well as the Wikinews icon.

 * In terms of sound themes, I've updated the intro and added an outro sound file which I think is a little better because its less midi, partially organic (I added guitar), and Wikinews isn't BBC, we should be a bit edgy, just enough to distinguish ourselves (so its a rock-type theme).

 * Strategically, Audio Wikinews is exploring Wikinews' content and should always focus on being that extra resource, that extra icing, of the Wiki itself. I think it should develop its own articles and focuses when the time comes but Wikinews itself needs to be stronger and having the Audio edition place pressure on the editors to create good web news will show in the Audio version.

 * Talent-wise, I've been reviewing my briefs, they're not fantastically wonderful, and actually lately I've been quite tired after work each day so its not sounding particularly up to my usual par. I want to get to a point where you (whoever and how many you are) provide the talent for each individual part of Audio Wikinews. Meaning I want really good writers to ensure the News Briefs are solid scripts and that the recorders are talented speakers who when given the text will flourish with it. Doing this myself, the process is lengthy and tiresome and so eventually should we get more involvement, I want there to be a sort of handing off of each day's news so that things can get accomplished efficiently, on-time, and to a high quality.

 * Finally, I want to make this more entertaining. This is of course a future step but Wikinews can provide all news -- and celebrity, wackynews, and entertainment reporting isn't frowned upon here, there aren't producers who force it nor deny it in the face of ratings. The audio side can definitely provide a bit more fun coverage with background music, effects, etc. I'm cautious to say radio-style programming but not quite as messy as that. We also must understand any usage of extra sound bites must be freely licensed and allowed and so having more editors on that path to gathering those resources is one step that has to be taken before entertainment can go.

Those are my thoughts for now. I've planned improvements to the Project pages include a how-to-do-it guide. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 02:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


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RSS
The RSS feed for Audio News Brief is now being updated but if you previously subscribed and want to receive the feed you will have to subscribe again as the Web address has changed (See this page for info on why the url has changed. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 19:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

On break for a few days
Due to the unbearably hot weather, I will be unable to record Newsbriefs in the forseeable future. I hope someone else can take this on. --Munchkinguy (talk) 22:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm baaaack!
I'm baack betches! Time to vamp up Audio Wikinews! davumaya (talk) 18:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

As am I! Expect drama! --NicholasTurnbull (talk) 23:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Blasted! I was going all retro and you took it away :( My gloooorrrrry. Btw, are you changing the name to News in Brief or whatzup wit dat yo? I think it would be a good idea. davumaya (talk) 06:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * lol. Welcome back to both of you. I look forward to listening to more audio wikinews. Bawolff ☺☻ 11:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

If in need of another reporter....
If you guys still need somebody to do the occassional Audio Wikinews recording, I'll be more than happy to help out. I've got a microphone and all, but not the first clue about how to post the recording itself on Wikinews. I'm especially interested in the News Review, which nobody seems to have done yet. --WNewsReporter (talk) 07:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

 * YES! Indeed we could use many more reporters! Turnball just made up the News Review section. So I suppose whatever you invent will be fine. I have to ask him how he is categorizing things though because previously we used pseudonamespace for our Wiki briefs. 75.72.165.211 07:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

And so it starts again
It would seem that I have now taken the torch for this project. I can see real potentional in this so I will do my best to keep it updated and running. I do have personal commitments as well so don't be suprised if I miss a day for the news brief or miss a story but this wasn't ment to be run by one person but I will do my best. --James Pain (talk) 02:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a note, I've changed the page roughly (using my low knowlage of wiki). I know it needs a load more work and I plan to do that, feel free to chip in because i could use all the help i can get. James Pain (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm back from my interesting year at college, it's ending next week so I plan to start getting back into wikinews on the audio side of things. I'll try and catch up with what's been going on and start chipping in. --James Pain (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Problem with News in Brief
Not sure what is going on, the News in Brief audio that I uploaded this morning is not playing properly in the Java player. You can download the file itself from Commons without issue and it plays fine. Can somebody look into this and see what is going on? Kamnet (talk) 02:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it stopping at the 33 second mark? I seem to be having that problem across browsers. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't playing for me at all yesterday. I just uploaded a new audio, and it is stopping at the 2:40 mark on all browsers. Quite annoying to only hear half the news! Who can I contact about this? Kamnet (talk) 06:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not having the problem at all with either java or quicktime. Anonymous101talk 18:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The 09/17 0500 UTC update stopped playing at the 2:40 mark in the java player. The 09/17 1800 UTC update was playing fine, but now it is not playing at all. The Spoken Wikinews audio works fine w/o issue. I wonder why I'm only seeing the problem with the AWNB? 76.177.88.40 01:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Should we ditch News Review?
With only one recording in a month and a half, if nobody else is going to take it up, I don't see any reason to keep it on display. It's an interesting idea, I wish I had more time to devote to something like this, but my plate is already full with the audio transcripts and News in Brief. ;-) Kamnet (talk) 11:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ditch it. Anonymous101talk 15:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Buhbye! If anybody wants to resurrect it, feel free, if you want some help, just ask << Kamnet (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiVoices
In case anyone missed the notice on the water cooler, people interested in this project might be interested in WikiVoices. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

My New Audio Wikinews style: opinions welcome
Dear Wikiaudians (if such a thing can exist): I've put together a mockup of a new sting/format that I've put together which I think better captures the whole Wikinews community content thing, along with being deliberately different and better suited to a podcast target audience. I'd really like people's opinion on it. . Many thanks! --NicholasTurnbull (talk) 06:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice work Nicholas. Anonymous101talk 20:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


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Re-Launch
I decided on my free time I will continue this project but I have a few questions.
 * Do I have to mask my voice?
 * Does the recording have to be in .ogg format? I was thinking to put it in .mp3
 * Do I have to post my script online? This takes up too much of my time I will of course write it down on a piece of paper.

 * Awesome. You do not have to mask your voice. Recordings do have to be in .ogg. this is for various reasons, mostly ideological. However it is very easy to convert. It is preferred you put your script online (In the brief pages), but certainly not required. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Probelm uploading file
I uploaded the file but it doesn't play why?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Audiowikinews_march7.ogg

Thanks, 70.49.219.218(Andimahony)-I have an account.

 * I fixed it. Basically ogg is a media container format, and can contain more than one type of audio. The three main types it works with is speex (very small files for people talking. sounds like crap for audio that isn't people talking), vorbis (general audio), and flac (ultra-high quality, lossless). The problem is that for speex or flac to work, the end user has to install separate software. Your file was ogg FLAC, which in general doesn't work if you don't have the special software. I converted it to vorbis, which is what we generally use, because its better supported, and we do not need the type of quality flac provides (When i converted it, file size dropped to a tenth of the size, and i used higher quality settings than were probably needed).
 * btw, your file sounds good. The volume of the music vs the volume of your voice could of probably been closer, but other than that sounds great. Just a few minnor notes on uploading: When uploading to commons, please put it in so we can keep track of it. Also, Wikinews audio content is generally licensed under the cc-by-2.5 instead of the public domain as to keep it consistant with the site license. Last of all, many people full out , for their audio uploads, in adition to the standard information template, but this is not required. Cheers. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to go through a long process to upload it onto WikiNews what program or website do you recommend for the right conversion because I start at .mp3.

Andimahony —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andimahony (talk • contribs) 21:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i just saw your comment now. I use ffmpeg to transcode, which is a command line tool. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the commandline, but if you are its really easy, and works great. . Wikimedia commons also has a fairly comprehensive list somewhere (not sure where), same with wikipedia. http://playogg.org also has a list somewhere i think. what platform are you using? Bawolff ☺☻ 00:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Podcast
Are these in a podcast that goes on iTunes? Wikipedia Weekly uses that format to distribute it's podcast. Irunongames  play  10:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

iTunes
Now that James is doing these regularly, I think it would be a good idea if we submitted it to iTunes-maybe the news briefs each day. This will increase our listeners & then hopefully our readers & contributors. In order to do that, the podcast cannot be in ogg, it must be in .mp3 with an RSS feed of that.

Could we set this up-I know mp3 isn't the best thing around here, but if we can get in iTunes and get people listening. I'm happy to help set it up and administer it, if we can get them uploaded in mp3 & an RSS feed from that. Thoughts? Dotty•• |☎ 10:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm sure we've been using ogg for a reason but as long as the higher up's are ok with this then I'm fine with it. For the site I would still suggest we continue publishing in ogg since using free file types is what defines us, "The free News source" and all that. RSS feed wise, these are created automatically as long as I upload it to the commons and assign it a category, an example being the News Briefs I've already been uploading: News brief RSS . Before we go diving into new ground I would like to wait until this Sunday at the very least to start anything new so I can get the whole Audio Wikinews project stable as it's a bit of a mess at the moment. As at the moment this is very much a one man show it would be impossible to get releases of the news brief strictly every day since I have commitments to attend to (i.e. This Friday I shall be away for the evening so unless I record the brief in the afternoon (UK) or someone else does it, it won't happen). Happy thoughts :P But yes, any kind of exposure I'm good for. --James Pain (talk) 11:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: We can definitly unofficially submit things as mp3 [its free after all] (and perhaps even officially submit them as mp3). However it is unlikely we would be able to store them on wikimedia servers as mp3's. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The way that iTunes works means that actually they don't store the files-they just take the RSS feed & then download it, so we can't rely on them to store it unfortunately. Dotty•• |☎ 07:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, so mp3 is strictly off limits. How about .m4a, .mov, .mp4 or .m4v?--James Pain (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think iTunes will only accept mp3. Argh seriously. Ogg is cramping our style. I love open source but not when its not actually helping. davumaya (talk) 10:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not true, direct quote "Supported file formats include .m4a, .mp3, .mov, .mp4, .m4v, and .pdf." from http://www.apple.com/itunes/whatson/podcasts/specs.html --James Pain (talk) 10:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

What was previously on iTunes was the PDF print edition. I would be very wary of getting into putting audio on iTunes without three or four people doing audio, spread across a few timezones. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * OK so if we wait a bit to see if James can keep it up & also to give him some time as requested? Dotty•• |☎ 17:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Status Update
Audio Wikinews is very much a one man show at the moment and as such can't be consistent with its updates. Hopefully no one is riding on this for support in their own means, Anyway, I'm trying to get this as stable as possible but in the mean time patience is needed. --James Pain (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, some is better than none!    Dotty••   19:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And I'm active again. I'm starting to think Audio Wikinews could use with a tear down and rebuild from scratch. I'll do what I can in its present while I'm active again. I'll be active until the 10th January 2010. --James Pain (talk) 12:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)