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Hi. Thanks for your contributions but we need confirmation that the rights for the articles have been released for use here as well cannot accept copyrighted stories. Please see this for more details. Thanks --Mark Talk to me 16:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
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Comments:Calgary bars resist smoking ban

What the heck buddy

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Two-horse race likely for leadership of UK Liberal Democrats

October 19, 2007 The leadership election for the Liberal Democrats, the UK's third party, is looking increasingly likely to be between two candidates. Environment spokesman Chris Huhne, who launched his leadership bid on Wednesday 17 October, has been joined in the race today by his frontbench colleague Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman. All other likely contenders have ruled themselves out. Steve Webb, chair of the party's manifesto group and considered to be on the left wing of the party, gathered enough support from Liberal Democrat MPs to stand. But he withdrew from the contest and gave his support to Mr Clegg, citing the "huge cost" to his family if he became leader and his confidence in Mr Clegg's abilities. Backbencher John Hemming, who had stated his intention to stand, ruled himself yesterday, saying that he has been unable to gather the necessary seven nominations from Liberal Democrat MPs. Mr Hemming, MP for Birmingham Yardley, wrote on his blog: "I will, however, not decide for now who I will support and I will announce that in the future when I have discussed matters with the other candidates and colleagues in Birmingham."


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Talk:Two-horse race likely for leadership of UK Liberal Democrats

I have tagged the article with the tag, as I think it is in a publishable state already, but I was planning to write more on Huhne's and Clegg's candidacies. At the moment I'm just too tired. Tamino 20:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I've now published the article. Tamino 20:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty well written unless you want to fill in a bit background. You'll not get a response in the 3 minutes you waited, we have nowhere near as many eyeballs on RC as Wikipedia does. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

editprotected The image used in this article has been deleted on Commons, please remove the redlink. January (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌ as it is a breach of policy. Such images are queued for recovery, although it is not viewed as a priority. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


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At least 31 dead and 35 missing after loss of Indonesian passenger ferry

October 19, 2007 At least 31 people have died and 35 more are missing after wooden passenger ferry Acita III sank off the coast of Sulawesi, Indonesia. At least 125 more have been rescued. The vessel capsized and sank at approximately 9 p.m. local time last night, going down near the port town of Bau Bau. It has been suggested that bad weather was the cause of the disaster, but Bau Bau mayor Amirul Tamin has told reporters that he believes overcrowding was a much more likely cause.

An alternative explanation was offered by local police chief Mochammad Badrus, who says that the ship capsized after large numbers of passengers clambered onto an upper deck in attempts to gain mobile phone signals as the ferry neared land. Local residents and fisherman say they could hear people screaming for help as the accident unfolded.

Passenger manifests are rare and usually inaccurate when they are available in Indonesia, so passenger numbers are unconfirmed, but the ship was thought to have been carrying 150 - 200 people. However, Tamin has said that the ferry should only have been carrying a maximum of 30 passengers.

It is Indonesia's most serious ferry accident since the Levina 1 caught fire in February, which, in turn, came after MV Senopati Nusantara sank during a storm in late December.


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Comments:Amazon loses "1-click patent" suit

And this is just another example of why US Patent Law is severely broken, favoring only those who patent any simple process and then waiting to sue instead of using the patent. US Patent Law only stifles innovation and as created an industry of patent shops which merely file patents and sue anyone that remotely uses something like their patented idea.
 * The concept of patenting something isn't broken, the process is. And the fact that they obviously do not have a single competent IT specialist is obvious, follow me here... --Brian McNeil / talk 18:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The Patent
Here we go, 2 clicks to the patent from our article...

"A method and system for placing an order to purchase an item via the Internet. The order is placed by a purchaser at a client system and received by a server system. The server system receives purchaser information including identification of the purchaser, payment information, and shipment information from the client system. The server system then assigns a client identifier to the client system and associates the assigned client identifier with the received purchaser information. The server system sends to the client system the assigned client identifier and an HTML document identifying the item and including an order button. The client system receives and stores the assigned client identifier and receives and displays the HTML document. In response to the selection of the order button, the client system sends to the server system a request to purchase the identified item. The server system receives the request and combines the purchaser information associated with the client identifier of the client system to generate an order to purchase the item in accordance with the billing and shipment information whereby the purchaser effects the ordering of the product by selection of the order button."

This is describing the basic system every mail order company.

Here's my take...

"A method and system for placing an order to purchase an item via the Internet post or telephone. The order is placed by a purchaser, at a client system and received by a data entry operator and entered into a server system. The server system receives purchaser information including identification of the purchaser, payment information, and shipment information from the client system . The server system then assigns a client identifier to the client system and associates the assigned client identifier with the received purchaser information. The server system sends to the client system the assigned client identifier and an HTML document identifying the item and including an order button a complete catalog, acustomer card bearing their client identifier, and a order telephone number. The client system receives and stores the assigned client identifier and receives and displays the HTML document catalog and customer card. In response to the selection of the order button a call to the order telephone number, the client system sends to the server system a request to purchase the identified item is asked to provide their customer number and the item codes for what they wish to order. The operator enters this into the server system which receives the request and combines the purchaser information associated with the client identifier of the client system to generate an order to purchase the item in accordance with the billing and shipment information whereby the purchaser effects the ordering of the product by selection of the order button calling the hotline."

--Brian McNeil / talk 18:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


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Interview with Sue Gardner of the Wikimedia Foundation

October 24, 2007 Wikinews reporters interviewed Sue Gardner, an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, the project that runs Wikipedia and several other projects, including Wikinews.

Before coming to Wikimedia, she ran CBC.CA, the website of Canada's national public broadcaster. She was also a radio and television journalist for 10 years.

Interview
Matt: Hi Sue, could you explain what you do for the Wikimedia Foundation?

 * Sue Gardner: Sure. I am a consultant & special advisor to the board. Essentially, I am here to help the organization professionalize and improve. It's a young organization with a lot of normal 'young-organization' challenges—and I am here to help fix them.

Matt: What was your job position for cbc.ca, and what did you work on while you were there?

 * SG: I was senior director of CBC.CA. (That means I ran it.) Do you want me to explain a little about what it is?

Dodge: Please do

 * SG: It's the website of the Canadian public broadcaster, the only national public broadcaster in Canada and the equivalent to the BBC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the French pubcaster. etc. CBC is mainly a news organization, and CBC.CA is mainly a news website.

'''Dodge: How did you come to work for the Wikimedia Foundation? Were you asked to join by someone? And if so, who?'''

 * SG: I actually first got interested in the Wikimedia Foundation in a serious way, when I saw it do such a good job on the Virginia Tech story. On the morning of the Virginia Tech massacre, I was following the story on Wikipedia/Wikinews, and reading the talk page. And it was a really excellent level of conversation that was being had there. I was really seriously impressed. So I started doing a little reading about the organization, which resulted in me talking with Brad Patrick [then General Counsel to the Board of Trustees] and then Florence [Nibart-Devouard, Chair of the Board]. Which resulted in me coming here.

'''Brian: In joining WMF was there anything you brought from CBC.ca's policies that you feel have influenced your contributions to the foundation? Can you give Wikinews any tips? I am assuming their similar balance/neutrality policies as the BBC's'''

 * SG: Yes, I think so. CBC is an extremely thoughtful, intentional, deliberate organization. I have borrowed from it liberally thus far—our code of conduct owes something to the CBC's, as does our travel policy, travel approvals policy, reimbursement policy etc. So there are a lot of new policies here (and there will be more) that have been heavily influenced by the CBC. In terms of journalistic policy, I have had no influence on how Wikinews handles things. And Brian, you are correct that CBC's editorial policies are very similar to those of the BBC.

Matt: Have you had much to do with Wikinews during the course of your work for the Wikimedia Foundation?

 * SG: No, very little. I am a big supporter of Wikinews for obvious reasons. Can I talk a little bit about that?

Matt: Sure.

 * SG: I am very interested in Wikinews because of my background. I worked for seven years in online journalism, and spent a lot of time talking with my colleagues at other organizations about the future of online news, citizen journalism, participatory journalism etc. I am still doing some of that—next week, for example, I will be in Washington helping the Corporation for Public Broadcasting decide who to give funding for to cover the US presidential election online. So I am very interested in these issues. And I don't think that any media organization has got this figured out, even a little bit. It seems to me that Wikinews is in a very good position to make real progress on participatory news/citizen journalism, etc., because the WMF projects are extremely good at fostering collaboration. So I am watching Wikinews with a lot of interest. Yeah. I am really hoping that someone applying for funds from the CPB will propose a collaboration with Wikinews

Dodge: When the Foundation moves to San Fransisco [sic], will you be going with it?

 * SG: Yes

Matt: Do you believe that citizen journalism sites like Wikinews should have an editorial review process?

 * SG: That is a good question. I assume you mean prepublication, right?

Matt: Yeah.

 * SG: It's a good question, and there are good arguments on both sides. I know that Nick Denton of Gawker Media has a kind of 'shoot first ask questions later' stance—they say they value transparency and are fine to admit their mistakes and publish corrections immediately. I think in general that's the direction the media are moving in; that we would publish and correct, rather than hold off publishing. There are lots of reasons for that, and there's an interesting argument to be made that it's the most respectful stance vis-a-vis the readers.

Brian: Gawker sounds like what we do, only a lot less cautious.

 * SG: Yes. I like Nick Denton a lot—he is very honest and modest about the work he does. He sometimes mocks traditional media for being overly pompous

'''Mike: Sue, the community initiative "Conference of the Americas" is getting support from Turner Broadcasting for the citizen journalism unconference. How do you feel about the community partnering with such a big name in journalism?'''

 * SG: I don't know anything about that particular proposal for collaboration, but I am generally very much in favour of us collaborating with external entities. I have begun talking a little with a guy at CNN myself, as I think Brian knows.

'''Mike: The proposal is basically that Turner will give us a venue for the conference and bring in industry people to speak, in addition to more citizen-oriented speakers and our own from Wikinews. I know personally I didn't believe such a media conglomerate would want to partner with free culture, so it was surprising to me. Does it surprise you, or do you see a good working relationship between "free" and "for profit" journalism outlets?'''

 * SG: It doesn't surprise me at all that Turner would want to partner with us. I have had useful conversations with all kinds of people; the head of CNN.com, the head of the BBC online, a head of programming at PBS, etc. And I know many of us are having similar conversations. People want to partner with the Wikimedia Foundation because it is extraordinarily successful and the material it creates is phenomenally relevant and useful.

Brian: we had a reporter with the beeb for a week

Dodge: And the BBC used some of our content earlier

Matt: Do you think the fact that they can reuse what we make in partnership with them is one of the reasons for people wanting to partner with us, whereas a lot of traditional media want to retain copyright on work?

 * SG: This is great, and it's my opinion that we should partner up with lots of organizations in lots of ways. Probably we will find the most constructive partnerships with the public sector organizations (as Brian and Thunderbird are saying, with the BBC). No, I don't think they understand the GFDL at all. And copyright is a problem for traditional media; it was my single biggest problem at the CBC, since it is so constraining and complex.  I think they are interested in us because a) we are popular, and they strive for relevance/popularity all the time, and b) because we have managed to persuade people to participate in our world and to help us and work with us. Traditional media have been less successful than we have—than you have!—in creating an environment which people enjoy participating in.

Brian: If they don't understand GFDL, is CC-BY (per Wikinews) better for their legal folks?

 * SG: I think traditional media see copyright as a problem, and they do not understand it very well. Basically it just represents cost and complexity to them. I had a meeting with PBS the other day in which we tried to explain the GFDL to them; it makes them quite nervous.

Matt: Do you believe that (at least for non-profit news sources), releasing material into the public domain makes it simpler for them to manage/handle?

Brian: or do they not understand PD?

 * SG: The trouble for traditional media is, they don't own the rights to very much material. They operate inside a web of very complex agreements with multiple entities.  We used to joke at the CBC that the only thing we owned was nature documentaries. And even those didn't entirely belong to us. So they are very constrained.

Brian: For wikinews all they have to do is credit us with the story to comply with the license

 * SG: You mean, they can use your material if they credit you, yes?

Brian: Yes, a link to us would be nice too

'''Matt: Yeah, as long as they state its CC-BY-2.5 and give our name, they can use it. Can users who have edited Wikinews be respected around real journalists? Will they be turned down because they have written for an online website like Wikinews, which is not particularly fond of the mainstream media, and not traditional media?'''

 * SG: First, let me say that I don't think Wikinews and the traditional/mainstream media should consider themselves at all in opposition to each other. I think they can peacefully coexist. There are some things the mainstream media are very good at, and they are also (sometimes) happy to admit their faults. And yes, I think Wikinews writers can be respected by real journalists, because the work speaks for itself. The one major challenge to that would be the collaborative authorship issue. Because as in academia, authorship is significant for professional journalists, and so I think the idea that something was collaboratively authored is hard for traditional journalists to understand.

'''Matt: Although you have an account on the English wikinews (User:SueGardner), you have never edited. One would assume that as a journalist you would use this project. Is there any main reason you don't edit here or do you just not have time?'''

 * SG: I am just too busy. I think there are lots of people who can do as good or better a job than I could, of editing Wikinews. But I think I am the only person who is paid to be thinking about the organization as a whole all day every day - so that's what I do.

Matt: If you could interview anyone for Wikinews who would you like to interview?

 * SG: Did you interview Doris Lessing?

Brian: Not yet, although we reported on her though (see Doris Lessing wins Nobel Prize for Literature)

 * SG: Okay. I read your Doris Lessing story, and I was thinking maybe someone had interviewed her later. For me personally, I would love to interview Doris Lessing.

Dodge: Do you use Wikinews as a primary source for news, or do you use other mainstream sources, and then look to Wikinews?

 * SG: I use a lot of different sources. I think it would be difficult to rely solely—or even primarily—on Wikinews, because I don't think it is yet particularly comprehensive; I don't know if it ever will be. I'd be interested to know what you think of that.

Brian: Wikinews may become comprehensive but it will be a difficult process in my opinion.

Matt: Do you think the reason for this is wikigroaning, such as more topics are written in focused areas rather than things of interest to the most people?

 * SG: I agree. And I'm not sure whether or not it should be a goal of the organization. Can I talk for just a second about one of the ways I think news is changing?

Brian: It is a "faster" project than Wikipedia.

 * SG: I have never heard of wikigroaning, what an interesting word. But it makes sense to me that Wikinews would reflect the interests of the people who edit it, which I imagine is one of the reasons it (and the other WMF projects) are successful. (Again, the relevance-to-audience issue.) But regarding news... I think it used to be the case that there was X amount of shelf space for news—like, 40 pages of newsprint daily, or 22 minutes of television time. So whether it was a busy news day or a slow news day, that was the amount of news that got created. And professional journalism is still pretty much constructed that way. So if a media outlet has a reporter in Johannesburg, they get a lot of news out of South Africa, whether or not anything particularly interested is happening there. You have x shelf space and x resources. What I think changes—theoretically—with Wikinews, is that you are freed of both those constraints. You have limitless shelf space and very flexible resources. Which means, in theory, that you can cover lots of stories when there are lots of stories to cover, and do very little, when there isn't much going on. So I think this is very interesting. And I think it has implications for the future of news. People should consume news when there's something interesting to read about. And I think Wikinews has enormous potential on big stories. I am very interested to see how that plays out.

Matt: You may be interested in What Wikinews is not, the first point, Wikinews is not Paper

 * SG: Yes, precisely. And when there is a big story, lots of people come here to help, I assume.

'''Brian: We got great cooperation on some big stories like the UK attacks, did big media notice? (Major explosions at UK oil depot, Coordinated terrorist attack hits London)'''
 * SG: Yes, exactly (re London bombings). I am not sure how noticed that was. For the mainstream media, that was when they woke up to the power of collaborative media themselves. It was certainly the wakeup call for the BBC, who made a lot of changes to their newsgathering process based on the events of that day. I think the most interesting question for Wikinews is what uniquely you can do, that no-one else can. And I think your greatest strength may lie in coverage of really large breaking news events—the [2004] tsunami, the London bombings, Virginia Tech.

'''Matt: A lot of attention has been given to improving Wikipedia. Do you think more attention is needed for the other projects? If so, which ones do you think need more attention?'''

 * SG: I think that in a way, that question looks at WMF through the wrong end of the telescope. I don't think the best question is 'do the other projects need more attention'—I think the best question is 'what do our readers need from us, and how can we best give it to them.' I think Wikiquotes, for example, will always be smaller than Wikipedia in terms of readership, and that's fine. Wikinews, I think, needs to chart a path that may be quite different from Wikipedia. And Commons is an entirely different beast as well. So they are all quite different, with different needs.

Dodge: What advice can you give to aspiring journalists, based on your experiences at the CBC?

 * SG: Hm. I think it's an incredibly exciting time to be a journalist. The best advice I could give people is to find excellent, curious, brilliant journalists to learn from. They might be here, or in a conventional newsroom; it doesn't matter. Journalism is a craft and the best way to learn it is to surround yourself with really good teachers. I was lucky at the CBC

Brian: "Above all, the central question about the Wikinews effort is its credibility. "Making a newspaper is hard... Someone who wants to do it but doesn't really know how hasn't solved the problem by gathering a lot of other people who don't know, either." This is a quote from a former editor of Encyclopædia Britannica, have we proven him wrong?

 * SG: I think most definitely, you have proved him wrong. Journalism is not a profession: it is not like being a surgeon or a lawyer. There was an uneasy attempt to professionalize it with the advent of j-schools etc., post-Watergate. But at its heart, it's just a craft. And that means that it can be practiced by anyone who is sensible and intelligent and thoughtful and curious, who bothers to learn the rules and do it carefully. I go back to the morning of Virginia Tech—the morning I decided I wanted to work here. The conversation on the talk page that day was extremely thoughtful. I remember thinking to myself that if my own newsroom had been having a conversation that intelligent (I was offsite that day), I would have been delighted. So yes, IMO you absolutely have proved Robert McHenry wrong. And you will continue to.

Matt: If you were the interviewer here, what else would you have asked yourself?

 * SG: Nothing, really. You guys covered a lot of ground, and it was extremely interesting & fun for me. There is one last thing I would like to mention though. I was talking a little with Ilya about a proposal he's been working on for the Knight Foundation, and we started having what I thought was a quite interesting conversation about the future of Wikinews. This is something that really interests me, obviously.

were to create something (a conference, or conversation); I'd be interested in doing that with you. I am really interested in this project.

Matt: Thank you for your time.


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2007 Rugby World Cup: France 10 - 34 Argentina

October 20, 2007

Argentina defeated tournament hosts France 34-10 to finish third in the 2007 Rugby World Cup at the Parc des Princes, Paris.

France made the first breakthrough after eighteen minutes when Jean-Baptiste Elissalde scored a penalty to give them a 3-0 lead. However soon afterwards Felipe Contepomi equalised with a penalty, which was followed by tries from Contepomi and Omar Hasan Jalil as Argentina took a 17-3 lead at half time.

Argentina extended their lead thirteen minutes into the second half when Federico Martin Aramburu scored a try, and Ignacio Corleto added another in the 65th minute. Clément Poitrenaud scored a consolation try for France, but Felipe Contepomi scored his second try of the match to complete Argentina's victory.

Both teams had met previously in the opening match of the tournament, where Argentina completed a shock 17-12 victory over France. Argentina continued their strong performance at the World Cup with victories against Ireland and Scotland to reach the semi-finals, where they were defeated 37-13 by South Africa.

Defending champions England face 1995 champions South Africa in Saturday's final at the Stade de France.


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Talk:Blast kills 8, injures 126 at a mall in Manila, The Philippines/Comments

why would the president visit the site of the attack (preceding unsigned comment by 76.79.104.180 00:38, 20 October 2007)
 * do you mean you're asking a question why she did or why would a president in any incident do this? its probably clear that a leader of a nation should show solidarity to their people especially if perhaps the incident is not an isolated incident and perhaps to instill terror. and honestly on Friday, i don't think prezs have much to do :) .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 05:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


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US stock markets tumble on 'Black Monday' anniversary

October 20, 2007

Some say history tends to repeat itself. Today marked a day in history, when 20 years ago, the United States Dow Jones Industrial Average market crashed, on what is known as 'Black Monday'. The crash sent the market tumbling down 508 points, losing nearly 24%. On Friday, the Dow Jones nearly broke that record when the market closed at -366.94 points, down almost three percent.

Several factors could be to blame for the loss, one being Turkey's government approving a measure on October 18 to send Turkish troops into Iraq in an attempt to take out militants of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). This sent oil prices skyrocketing to the highest prices in history, with the highest record being just over US$89.00, which was set on October 18.

Fears that the housing market in the U.S. has come to a standstill has also lead Caterpillar Inc., which manufactures and sells construction equipment to issue a warning that the standstill would cause profits to drop, and the American economy to be severely hurt. On Friday their stocks lost nearly six percent to close at $73.57.

Investors and experts of the markets are disturbed by the losses calling the situation ugly.

"It's pretty ugly. A company like Caterpillar should be a poster child for global growth and benefits of the weak dollar. It makes you question: Is global growth really that strong? Has the earnings kick from the weak dollar played itself out?" said Bell Curve Trading chief strategy expert, Bill Strazzullo.

Others believe that the losses were a way of emotionally responding to the events of 'Black Monday.'

"Some of the earnings reports were a little disappointing but not that bad. I think we're responding emotionally to the 20th anniversary of the October 1987 stock market crash. I'd like to laugh except it hurts," said T Rowe Price Head trader, Andy Brooks.

The NASDAQ also took heavy losses to close down 74.15 points or -2.64%, closing at 2,725.16. The S&P 500 was also hit hard, losing 39.45 points, or -2.56%, closing at 1,500.63.


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User talk:122.52.36.63

Welcome
Welcome!

122.52.36.63, welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews:
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Here are some other hints and tips:

 * I would recommend that you get a username. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikinews, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and there are many benefits of having a username.  (If you edit without a username, your IP address is used to identify you instead.)

 * When using talk pages, please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Easyreeder

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:Abmac

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:68.236.186.241

Hello and welcome to Wikinews, a collection of open-content news stories!

Why create an account for Wikinews? Are you asking yourself, what can I possibly do on this "boring website"? Or, is this a joke? Citizens writing the news? How can they write? They need a degree to write journalism!, etc.

We'll, here are some reasons:

 * The use of a username of your choice.
 * Greater security and privacy, your IP address will be hidden from most users.
 * You get your own personal user page and talk page, instead of having to share it.
 * Your contributions will be recognized as your own, and not confused with anyone elses.
 * The use of your own Watchlist which shows when pages you are interested in have changed.
 * You have the chance of creating articles with an account and get credit for your work.
 * You have the chance to advance your career in journalism by doing local and very rewarding first-hand journalism that will be shown on our Main page so everyone can read your work and comment on it.
 * You can talk and collaborate with other editors just like you.
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One person dead after a plane crash near Vancouver

October 19, 2007 One person was killed and two were injured when a small plane crashed into a residential tower shortly after taking off from Vancouver International Airport.

The twin engine Piper Seneca hit the ninth floor of the 15-storey building in Richmond, where the airport is located, but it did not cause a fire.

The male pilot of the plane was killed, while two people in the building were hurt -- one seriously, the other suffering minor injuries.

The plane appears to have hit the building at an angle, with damage spread between the eighth and ninth floors.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the cause of the crash.


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Comments:US stock markets tumble on 'Black Monday' anniversary

Time for anti-Americans to get out the Champagne. There have been similar market problems, like that business with the Suez canal, and I think in Vietnam. The market always recovers. I am sure the next president will actually have a domestic policy, and alleviate some troubles. Contralya 03:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The sub-prime crisis needs to be fixed though, and hopefully by 2009, our dollar is strong again, Bush's weak dollar policy is hurting us, the housing bubble is ridiculously high and yet the Europeans can come in here with their Euros and gobble up property if the dollar goes any lower. --TUFKAAP 14:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Perfect time to buy
When these investors panic and sell, its a perfect time for you to buy.

You can purchase stock in great companies at a very low price. The stock will go up again, and you will be rich, while the sellers are poor.


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Welcome
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They only have one article. Usually we create portals and categories when the subject has five or more articles. I am going to list them at WN:DR.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 13:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I voted delete on WN:DR because your article is from Oct 3. We cannot publish old news items, it needs to go on the main page first so people can read it. It also wouldn't make sense publishing it today, because the news is from Oct. 3. I suggest you find a recent news item on Nortel and write about it, I will help to publish it if you want me to. This report is far too old to publish.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 20:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The DR was abandoned.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 21:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I am looking for new information.HammondJr 21:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Right now the article is lacking a mention of other companies doing the same thing, which will make the article more neutral and not one-sided. Without this the article can't be published because it is an advertisement showing only one-sides view.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 21:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I added a statement at the bottom and added a ref to the IBM news release.... I don't know who that was - My IP is - 68.34.46.2. HammondJr 22:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * The article is published now. But you should add what IBM and Cisco are offering, not just what Nortel and Microsoft are offering. That would be good.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 23:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I will have to look, I think the integrated Cisco/IBM products are still in development, but I will so some looking around... HammondJr 23:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I found it; part of the Lotus API, so I added to the new that it is based on the Lotus API. Thanks again for helping me to get this accomplished. HammondJr 23:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Regarding this recently uploaded image, please provide details of its source and license otherwise it will be deleted. Adambro 22:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Adambro, I want the image deleted by -FellowWiki Newsie, because he has the impression that I changed the tag to publish, without his permission. I am not in the habit of upsetting a ADMIN to get kicked off the system, so this was just proof that I was working with him to get this news published in an appropriate manner...  HammondJr 22:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see that it wasn't you. I will delete the image now.  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 22:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks...  HammondJr 22:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Mass suspensions and relief of duties after US B-52 flew with armed nuclear missiles

October 20, 2007

According to Pentagon officials, nearly 70 United States Air Force personnel and high ranking officials have been relieved from command and or duty after an incident on August 30 when a U.S. B-52H bomber plane flew from Minot Air Force Base located in North Dakota to Louisiana with six armed AGM-129 ACM nuclear missiles attached to its wings.

Twelve unarmed missiles were supposed to be taken to Barksdale Air Force Base to be taken out of commission. Instead, live missiles were placed on the planes wings, along with six of the "dummy missiles," before it took off from Minot AFB. The air force says that this was a "serious error" on the part of the military, and is launching a formal and ongoing investigation.

So far, the investigation states that the missiles loaded onto the plane were supposed to be inspected by looking through a portal on each missile, where a code would determine whether or not the missile was armed or a dummy. The inspector who loaded the missiles onto the plane only looked under the wing where the armed missiles were located and the plane's navigator also failed to perform a proper inspection.

The numbers on an out-dated piece of paper were also not checked prior to the missiles being loaded on the plane despite the fact that the air force already had a system which is supposed to track the missiles. "[The incident is an] erosion of adherence to weapons-handling standards. In the countless times our dedicated airmen have transferred weapons in our nation's arsenal, nothing like this has ever occurred. This was an unacceptable error that resulted in an unprecedented string of procedural failures," said Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff, Major General Richard Newton who also said that the plane's crew did not know that the missiles were on board the plane.

U.S. air force officials state that there was no threat of a nuclear explosion had the plane crashed, but that a radiation leak was possible.

Officials said that they want to make sure they "hold ourselves accountable to the American people and want to ensure proper corrective action has been taken."

At least four colonels and at least one lieutenant were suspended from duty. At least 66 other personnel were also relieved including Colonel Bruce Emig, the commander of the B-52 5th Bomb Wing team and two other members. Officials say that criminal charges have not yet been filed against anyone involved in the incident, but did not rule them out.


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Talk:Mass suspensions and relief of duties after US B-52 flew with armed nuclear missiles

The title acts like it is recent news that it happened. The title needs to be changed, to reflect that the article has new information about the after effects. It's misleading now. Contralya 09:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I have tried a page move; how's this now? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Better. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

How were they supposed to be transported
"...were not supposed to be transported on the plane. Instead, the missiles were placed on the planes wings..." So, how were they supposed to be transported if not on the plane as this quote states? --Nzgabriel | Talk 10:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Headline is incorrect and imflamatory.
The missiles were not armed. The arming packages never left proper custody.
 * Actually they were armed. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Clarifying my comment -- The warheads weren't armed, and could not have produced a nuclear detonation. 131.6.84.67 15:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Pong
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Comments:Avro Vulcan returns to the air after restoration

Awsome machine
I've seen one of these suckers fly, they have the same engines as Concorde and they are quiet as can be flying towards you but behind, the noise from those engines is deafening.

It doesn't surprise me it cost 6 mill to restore, I'd actually have expected a higher price tag. You'd have to be replacing all the hydraulics, moving parts, and goodness-only-knows what else. Lots of these parts would likely need custom made, and some of the custom tools might no longer exist.

I hope it passes as airworthy, I'd love to see (and feel) the flight of one of those things again. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


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Believe it or not I met Son once! He is no good at painting! But I have to admit his tap dancing is not bad at all.

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You should be more focused on stopping the superbug instead of fighting vandals or we will all die. Oh God, it's gonna kill us all.

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Comments:Mass suspensions and relief of duties after US B-52 flew with armed nuclear missiles

Radiation Leak
What is the estimated amount of a radiation that might leak if the aircraft mistakenly carrying the nuclear weapons had crashed? Minot has certainly lived up to the city's logo: "Why Not Minot?"

WTH went wrong here?
I know this story is old but I was once a B-52 462 Weapons ALCM LSC crew member and with ALL the operational redundancies and security on these weapons, how exactly did this happen? Where did the chain break? I never heard about "what I call a Bent Spear situation" on the news and sure didn't get much attention by the press. Anytime I was around live nukes there were lots of people with guns who loved to jack -up guys violating the no-lone zone law... How did these get out of the WSA undetected? WOW I'm shocked and its 5yrs. later —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.190.90 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 30 December 2013


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Thai police arrest Canadian paedophile suspect

October 20, 2007

A Canadian man was arrested in, Thailand Friday and is facing charges of sexual abuse of a child under 15 and illegal detention. He is also suspected of posting about 200 online images of child abuse on the Internet.

According to the BBC, Thai authorities are ordering Neal to stay in custody for 12 days for questioning before the official trial starts. Under Thai law he can be held for up to 84 days before trial.

Thirty-two-year old Christopher Paul Neil, from, British Columbia, could face up to 20 years in jail if convicted.

Neal was working in as an English teacher. He has been working in Vietnam, South Korea, Cambodia, and Thailand since 2000. Neal was recorded on a security camera at on October 11.

Thai courts have ruled that he will be charged in Thailand. For now it is up to the Canadian and Thailand authorities to discuss.

"But if something took place here, we would want to have the person held accountable here, but that is very premature and it may even be speculative at this stage," said Wally Oppal, of British Columbia (B.C.). Neal could be charged in Canada because of a law which allows paedophiles to be charged in Canada even if they didn't do the crimes in Canada.

The RCMP are investigating to see if Neal has committed any crimes in B.C., which could mean charges will also be laid in Canada.

Interpol, just last week, issued a public search for Neal. A 15-year-old, who was one of Neal's victims, alerted authorities of the man. On Thursday Thai courts issued an. Authorities had been able to unscramble the face of a man in the 200 online photos, which had been digitally scrambled. The unscrambled images were used to identify the suspect.

Phyakrut News Agency reported that Neil's feet were trampled on by reporters until they bled. It was also noted that the picture of the man issued by Interpol had a very hairy chest whereas the suspect arrested had a quite hairless chest, the faces also looked remarkably different raising the question as to whether the real "Mr Swirly Lollipop" has in fact been caught. Police Major General Wimon Powintara stated however that Neil is now wanted for having sex with boys and girls and that one victim identified him as the one that lured him from an Internet cafe to play video games in his apartment where he was orally raped before being given 200 Thai Baht compensation (US$6).


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Fußball-Bundesliga 2007–08: Nürnberg vs. Eintracht Frankfurt

October 20, 2007

beat 5-1 to come out of the relegation zone.

A goal from gave Eintracht Frankfurt the lead after only 12 minutes. equalised in the 20th minute after a freekick from hit the post and rebounded out for him which hit the back of the net. After this, Nürnberg dominated the game scoring 4 2nd half goals.

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Comments:Half of life could go extinct by century's end, warn eminent biologists

Yah, it's probably that we are going to a new great extinction age. For this all knowledge, information and effort in these topic are valuable and important why we have not so much time to adopt new pratices to try to reduce this effect. To evaluate all diversity and to adopt pratices on base of that with more urgency possible is necessary, but to made this is also necessary known all teoretical information about each topic in conservation pratice. In this way, we need to participate and to challenge all knowledge with the unic objective to help us each other and to reduce the lost of diversity of the world. So, all information of these topic are welcome. Marines Gniech

Well, I hope they're wrong, 'cause if they're right, it will make me very paranoid

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Top 100 Canadian albums named

October 20, 2007 The new "coffee table book" The Top 100 Canadian Albums has been released. Bob Mersereau, a reporter for CBC New Brunswick, wrote the book filled with albums from year's including 1967, the 1980s, and modern day.

The book is selling for CAD$35 and is 200 pages. It also contains in-depth interviews, photographs, facts, and descriptions on all the albums that were included in the list.

Harvest by legendary Canadian singer-songwriter Neil Young claimed number one. While Blue by Joni Mitchell came in second.

"There really isn't a good reference for Canadian albums. You look at the Rolling Stone book, and there's Neil, Joni, Leonard (Cohen), the Band and Alanis, and that's it. And there's so many more that only we get, as Canadians. Outside of Canada, Gordon Lightfoot gets trashed as this MOR singer, and they don’t get why we’d want to hear someone sing about pussy willows, cattails, soft winds and roses," Mersereau commented.

Mersereau will write about his book tour on his publisher Goose Lane Editions' blog. He says he would be "shocked if there wasn't complaints and arguments and debates."

"It's all subjective, but that's part of the fun. Everybody has a complaint about the list, and there's this ongoing debate, but the fact is they're talking about it and thinking about it and going, 'Gee, I wish . . .'"

About 600 people from all over Canada who are interested in music, are music journalists, work in the music business, or are musicians themselves and more voted for the one's they thought were the best.

"The important part is to talk about Canadian music and enjoy it."

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Six found murdered in Vancouver, Canada apartment building

October 20, 2007 At least six people are confirmed murdered inside a high rise apartment located in Surrey just outside of Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada, in what is being called a "graphic mass-murder". The bodies were discovered on October 19 at approximately 4:30 p.m. (PT).

Residents living near the house called authorities when they reported the smell of what they believed to be natural gas, coming from inside the house and that there were possibly several people inside. The fire department and police arrived in full force and told nearby residents to evacuate, shutting down the roads and stopping train service surrounding the property. When police later entered the home, they discovered the six individuals. The murder is still under investigation, along with the reports of a gas-like smell.

"We're looking at perhaps a very dramatic homicide scene with as many as six dead. Initially, it was [a report of] a gas leak. A very large area was cordoned off for fear of an explosion. As to how this [call] comes in as a gas leak, that's going to come out in the investigation", said Royal Canadian Mounted Police spokesman, Sgt. Roger Morrow.

The identity, race and sex of the individuals are not known. Police also have not yet determined if the mass murder was a result of a murder-suicide. Police have not stated the form of murder and there are no reports of any suspects being in custody.

"It's hard to say whether its gang-related, some sort of attack on a group of individuals, or whether it's a murder-suicide. Certainly it's a concern to us and we understand it's a concern in the community", said Integrated Homicide Investigation Team member, Cpl. Dale Carr.


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2007 Major League Soccer: Toronto FC vs. New England Revolution

October 20, 2007

Toronto FC ended their inaugural season with a 2-2 draw against New England Revolution.

The game was more evenly match as opposed from the 1st 2 games when New England Revolution won the 1st game 4-0 on April 14 and won the 2nd game 3-0. Michael Parkhurst opened the scoring with a goal from his own half just before halftime. Taylor Twellman doubled the Revolution lead immediately after the break off a corner kick. Toronto FC got a goal back about an hour into the game with Danny Dichio's goal in stoppage time in the 2nd half to secured a point for Toronto FC.

Toronto FC's season is finished as New England Revolution will face New York Red Bulls in the 1st Round of the playoffs.

Head-to-Head records from Toronto FC's 1st season
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User talk:71.0.20.140

Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. , welcome to Wikinews! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Carolina coast revels in real estate growth
Please fix the article. Do not remove article tags. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Bush and Putin suggest potential for World War III

I think that this story is a fairytale or nightmare

...
Seriously? what the fuck? Honestly, how did this guy become a politician, much less the president? Hasn't he heard of keeping his mouth shut?
 * Only in America? :/ 62.16.243.119 21:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The_O'Reilley_Factor and the No Spin Zone. Smart people.  Why does all news media other than fox tend to be liberally biased?  Wikinews actually has to make a conscious effort just to be NPOV.  It shouldn't be that difficult.  —69.114.159.217 02:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC) (w:User:Thinboy00)

Both bad, but...
I know Bush is a very bad president, but Putin is going to be in power for a generation (Russia is s Pseudo-democracy). This message by him doesn't mean anything factually. This doesn't mean that they have a way to defeat the shield. All he is doing is lying to reassure the public. I can't believe people take him for his word, the guy was trained how to lie... 19:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

i read somewhere politicians and actors were proffessional liars...

 * Unless you have inside information, you can't accurately say whether it's the truth or not. If you were the one who had to make the decision, and you had no other evidence to back it up on, you would have to "take him for his word", whether or not he's been trained to lie. Even if you hope for the best-case, you must be prepared for the worst-case, otherwise you'll be in trouble if it happens. --86.137.247.172 21:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC).

No, what I am saying is that he lies. If you look at translations of the media in Russia, that is used to skyrocket his approval ratings and spew hatred about the USA, you can see how they say things that are just plain not true. What he is doing with the announcement is making his people think he is a hero. He OUT RITE lies about Siberia, he lies about it ALL OF THE TIME. Contralya 01:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * That the West in general, and the US in particular, are after the natural resources of Siberia, is a popular scaremongering story here in Russia from long before Putin's times. China is another usual suspect. This is the revival of the old fears from the Cold War, indeed (not that they were ever dead, just dormant). Sad... 85.140.220.217 07:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * But no-one in the US has talked about it! Therefore he is lying. I bet you have been listening to Russia's state controlled media. Contralya 16:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There have been people discussed the strategic value of the Siberian reserves within the U.S. The concern is it may give Russia a strategic advantage.
 * Oh and the spelling is "outright". --Brian McNeil / talk 17:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not like Putin says, he acts like the administration wants to take Siberia for itself. And I was emphasizing, I know better English than W. Contralya 18:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What?
Oh, f---ing h---. What the f---?--72.130.143.25 19:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Pong
DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That template should go on talk pages. It does nothing on a comment page (It points to a non-existant page). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Times
Do people really think that way? --69.114.159.217 01:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC) (w:User:Thinboy00)
 * Unfourtantly yes. Its amazing what results voting can produce... (Or at least the voting in democracies) Bawolff ☺☻ 01:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Modern Russia is only slightly closer to democracy than, say, Iran. Elections do not make a democracy. The USSR had elections, too, and so does North Korea. 85.140.220.217 07:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, Russia is NOT a democracy. Contralya 16:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Iran has elections with Universal Suffrage, which are no more rigged or corrupt than the USA. The position of Supreme leader, which seems to cause the most problems, is in practice not much different to the 'election' of the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, a position with perhaps greater power than the Supreme Leader and has certainly done a comparable amount of damage to the welfare of the average populace (Yes, even Fox New viewers). Similarly, the Council of Guardians is indistinguishable in practice from the position held by the US media in selecting candidates.  Perhaps you are confusing with another country with a similar sounding name? --71.212.153.112 17:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * You sound gullible. Just because they say they have free elections doesn't mean they do. Russia has no free elections, it only lets one party do anything. For instance, it re-scheduled an opposition party's meeting, meanwhile they brought down the opposition's website. Another thing is that they don't have free media. Anyone who criticizes Putin's authoritarianism will be fired, or killed by a hitman. They have a crackdown on human rights, free speech and free elections. Contralya 18:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Iranian elections are not truly democratic, because the candidate lists are prefiltered. We've seen how that works in practice during the last elections (when Ahmadinejad got elected). I am not in a position to compare it to the U.S. elections, as I'm not an American. But it sounds very much like what the USSR had, when the candidate lists where composed by the Party, and of the Party membes. As for Russia, I have first-hand experience here. While we do not have it as officially authoritarian as Iran, it's certainly heading that way. For now, there's general intimidation of opposition, and monopolization of mass media for propaganda purposes by the pro-president party. Well, and the occasional assassination - Litvinenko, Politkovskaya... Definitely not North Korea here yet - I can rant here just fine, after all, and I'm not going to be "fired or assassinated". But I'm not a publicly visible figure, either, so why would they care? 195.214.233.225 06:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

beginning of the end.
as propheseid in bible and islamic tradition a great war before the qayamat would take place. it is going to start. peace be upon jesus and muhammad/.

 * Pipe down. This doesn't mean there is going to be another world war. This title is fooling a lot of people. 16:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

you should go through new on google.

Calm down people
It's not as bad as in the title. Putin hasn't mentioned WWIII. Most of the stuff that the article says about Putin has been going on for a decade, and are not recent developments or responses to Bush's statement. This title is just a cheap piece of hype used fool people into thinking there is a new cold war so they will use the news more often. I thought wikinews was more honest than this! Contralya 16:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

No. The apocalypse is coming. The world will burn. Run. -Spacehusky 18:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * LOL. That is what the media wants you to think so you will watch more of it. Contralya 18:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

True, the media is probably riling us up so we'll watch more, but... This is nothing to kid about Mutton333 22:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * The stuff that Putin said was for internal consumption anyway, propaganda targeting the voters (bear in mind that we've got a parliamentary election here by the end of this year, and presidential election early next year). So long as sabre-rattling remains popular, it will keep going. Nothing serious is going to come out of this, though - Putin is not a complete idiot to challenge the West for real. 195.214.233.225 06:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Whose random comment was that?

Mutton333 21:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

dont invade russia
If the states invade russia, then the remainder of russia will respond with thousands of nuclear missiles.

we should take allies to Israel for safety then take some to Iran for safety there so they can get information on the bomb launch and invading Israel for safety. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.96.186 (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

puppet boy Bush and his masters will be the death of us all, but I guess its alright as long as they get all our money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.182.121.170 (talk) 00:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The Ministry of Truth (Oh I mean Propaganda)
Meet Big Brother, I mean, President Bush, right out of the novel 1984. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.194.176 (talk) 07:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Bush is mad
I think that George Bush is more dangerous to the world then Osama Bin Laden. If he continues the way he has, he will be remebered for starting the third world War. Bush doesnt seem to understand how much the world population, including a growing majority of Americans, hate him and his policies. —165.138.9.101 17:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The World is the Problem
I think that the problem isn't entirely Bush( but I still strongly dislike him) I think the problem is just a lot of the world-wide politicians around this time that might have gone by. We have North Korea refusing to give up nukes, Iraq/ Middle East/ Osama Bin Laden that are terrorists, and the devolping countries have had some pretty bad leaders (coughBushcough)

What right do any of you have to even think about war?
Everyday people like me have to face our own independent battles on a daily basis. Finding money to survive, Dealing with abuse and rape and court. Having judges judge without biasness, making decisions without clear thoughts. Watching our aggressors released on the streets, to terrorize us. Pooring what money we do have fighting our own battles we will never win due to unjustice in a system curropted by power curropted by the control of men over women. So in my world where does that leave time to even think of battleing the rest of the world. In my mind does it make me want to strike out against those of higher powers, because if it wasn't for the higher goverment the lower govt. could not get away with what they do. Why not start investing in our own countries and end homelessness, and stop putting people in jail for small crimes and make people own up to the higher crimes, and give peace a chance. Maybe it would stop some of the endless fighting amoungst ourselves. Our citizens invest in you so invest in us. I could talk all day, but I wont for once in my life, my spirit is crushed. I still enjoy life and even if its just a minute out of the day it is worth that much more to live. Find a solution or what point is it for all you people to be in office screaming you have the power to destroy our veryown existence. You terreroize me. If it wasnt for your laws I could fight back amoung my agressors and stop those who hurt me without fear of jail, but I trust your ways, so trust in yourselves or allow us all to start fighting for ourselves becuase our children are getting hurt.

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GOD HAS SPOKEN
Nuclear War can be avoided and this planet could be paradise for all, if however, You all got together and removed the town of Sandefjord from the surface of the planet.

This is the city, Sandefjord. And it is actually the city of the eternal snake: Satan.

Now people of all races, religions, nations and creeds should join hands, in this important moment.

For soon, true believers of all religions, shall unite as one. And March against Sandefjord. This is the verdict of GOD. This is the day of the LORD. This is the final TEST of mankind.

And together you, my blessed and holy ones, you shall with my blessing, wipe the fucker of the face of the planet once and for all. Then, when Sandefjord is no more, you shall all shake hands and live happily ever after, as one brotherhood of mankind.

Brothers and Sisters of the world. In unity, love and with mutual respect for each other.

And every day you could all wake up happy, and safe, knowing you together have rid the world of The Beast, The Dragon, and The Whore of Baylon. A.K.A SANDEFJORD. I call upon you now, to make a holy alliance of christians, muslims and jews against Sandefjord.

And offer it up as a burnt offering to the Lord. Wipe the city of Sandefjord out, for its sins have piled up to Heaven, and you need a new Sodoma Gomorrah to remind mankind what happens when a city falls into every transgression against God, and every transgression that is known to man.

The city of Sandefjord consists allmost utterly of crap-people, egoists, nazis, demons, whalers, and the likes of it. However: And this is very important.,

HEAR ME NOW! FOR I still have a few people there whose names are written in the book of life, so hold of the strike for a little while longer, until I have gathered the ones worthy of continued existence, and brought them out of there.

After that, when I say the word: you have Heavens assurance that nothing will be held against you for the utter destruction of the entire city, and for making sure the city NEVER is rebuildt.

This is it, Grandchildren of Abraham. Stop your quarrels amongst yourselves, for you are all my children. And you are not enemies. Not anymore. Shake hands accross the borders. Kiss and make up, my children.

Kiss and make up, brothers and sisters of Islam, Judaism and Cristendom. Now heed my words, My sons and Daughters, for I call upon thee.

For all my children shall be freed and rise out of Egypt.

Nomatter where you are. So prepare yourselves.

And hear me now o my children of Israel, o my children of Islam and o my children, the children of Christ.

Make peace amongst yourselves. For I love you equally and your wars amongst yourselves, grieves my heart to tears. Do this for me. And for your children. My children. Let them grow up in a world where Evil is no more. Where Love is your King, under God Allmighty.

And let them grow up in world where Sandefjord is no more.

And when I have gathered my little flock of good and decent people out of Sandefjord, I shall sound the call. And then you my Little Ones, shall go Sodoma-Gomorrah on the fucker. And remove the city of Satan, off the face of the earth. Forever. THE CALL TO ARMS AGAINST SANDEFJORD, WHEN IT COMES - WILL BE POSTED AT FACEBOOK DO NOTHING UNTILL I SAY SO.

GOD HAS SPOKEN.

I AM GABRIEL, WHO STANDS BEFORE GOD. GUARDIAN OF PARADISE. KEEPER OF MANKIND.

SLAYER OF EVIL. AND I AM YOUR BROTHER.

ALLWAYS.

re: GOD HAS SPOKEN
Thank you LORD! You can count on us. Just say the word. Thank you!

RE: GOD HAS SPOKEN
HALLELUJAH!!!

WE ARE WITH YOU LORD. ALLWAYS!!!!!!!! HOSEANNAH TO THE HIGHEST!

AMEN...

 * Uhuh, have you forgotten your pills today sir or ma'am? Take your pills and have a nice day. — Mike moral  ♪♫  03:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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re: GOD HAS SPOKEN
Thank you LORD! You can count on us. Just say the word. Thank you!

RE: GOD HAS SPOKEN
I do not know what to say ; its beautiful! Thank you GOD!!!!

--89.8.123.143 (talk) 07:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

re:god has spoken
AMAZING...

YEAH!!! YES LORD! WE WILL!

--89.8.123.143 (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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How can you possibly rate something like this for reliability? I'm no NSA analyst. As long as the sources are cited... —98.108.163.196 (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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this sucks —76.94.195.64 (talk) 07:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

my opinoin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsWBTtoXbzM

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I personally think no human should have any knowledge to nuclear arms. It will eventually takes it's tole. Just look at Chernobyl... It has the potential to stop life if it spreads... —69.245.4.61 (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


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Man throws red paint in Roman Trevi fountain to protest film festival

October 20, 2007

To protest the €15 million budget of the RomeFilmFest, a man yesterday threw a bucket of red paint into the famous Trevi Fountain in Rome, before fleeing the scene. The water in the fountain turned complete red for a while, before technicians were able to cut off the water supply, let the dye wash out, and then replace it with fresh water.

Pamphlets by a previously unknown group called ATM Azionefuturista 2007 were found near the fountain, protesting the budget the festival was awarded. The red fountain was meant as a reference to the red carpet of the festival, which opened last Thursday, October 18. "You wanted just a red carpet - we want a city entirely in vermilion. We who are vulnerable, old, ill, students, workers, we come with vermilion to colour your greyness," the leaflet read.

There is no permanent discoloration of the Baroque fountain or the marble statues depicting the Roman Sea God Neptune on a chariot. Francesco Rutelli, Minister of Culture and Tourism in Italy, called the action "an unacceptable and irresponsible act of vandalism" and said that new anti-vandalism laws were needed.

On April 22, 2007, a 40-year-old woman from Milan swam naked in the fountain, getting her picture into international newspapers. Tourists throw roughly 3000 euro into the Trevi fountain each day, for good luck. The coins are removed at night and have been used to sponsor a supermarket for Rome's needy citizens.


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Talk:Bush suggests potential for World War III

Isn't this name a little dis-honest? I mean, really, just cheap advertising to get people to look at it. Putin didn't specifically mention WWIII at all it seems, and he said that thing about being able to penetrate the missile defense a long time ago. And it should also take into account, that he is CLAIMING that they have the capacity, not a proven fact. Remember that you can never trust state controlled media to give you the facts. Contralya 19:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

 * If either side uses nukes, it will be WWIII one way or another. 70.54.11.65 00:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I am talking about the name and validity of this article. All that happened was Bush mentioning WWIII, thats all! Putin talked about being able to bypass the defense shield MONTHS ago. I think this article is hypocrisy. There isn't any real news in it, Bush mentioning WWIII isn't worthy of an article. Contralya 01:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally think that mentioning WWIII is a newsworthy thing (country leaders don't say that lightly).However the title might be a bit misleading. What would you call it?Bawolff ☺☻ 01:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't know, I don't see this as so news worthy. The article's focus needs to be changed. Here the thing is, Bush mentioned WWIII recently, wile Putin has been saying that the USA wants to invade Russia and that the USA wants Siberia, FOR YEARS. Putin and his media have been saying this stuff for years, it's not news. Information should be included in the article that there is no evidence supporting Putin and his government controlled media's claims. I bet they showed a US politician talking in English and fake translated it. Contralya 02:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * You forgot to mention all the nuclear war rhetoric that Putin has been stating including the acquisition and possible use of Nukes and that attacking Iran is unacceptable, again another threat. Here is an article to calm you down Not Knut but Kute 70.54.11.65 10:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I, for one, think that article titles should be catchy and encourage people to view the articles.

 * I think an article's name should be honest. Yes, Putin is retro, he tries to slow down all peacekeeping efforts, he supplies anti-air missiles to Iran; but he didn't mention WWIII! The article should be called 'Bush suggests potential for WWIII', because Putin did NOT mention it. I guess it's too late now, I bet there are a lot of people who think there is another cold war because of this dishonest title. Contralya 16:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * There is another Cold War and it is not because of the title of this article -:) 70.54.11.65 18:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 * But there ISN'T WWIII Contralya 18:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


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South Africa defeats England 15 - 6 to win the 2007 Rugby World Cup

October 20, 2007

South Africa have beaten England 15-6 in the 2007 Rugby World Cup Final at Stade de France in Saint-Denis, France.

Percy Montgomery kicked South Africa into the lead with a penalty after seven minutes. Soon afterwards Jonny Wilkinson kicked a penalty to equalise for England but Montgomery restored South Africa's lead just three minutes later. A push from England led to a drop goal opportunity for Jonny Wilkinson, but the kick was wide. Francois Steyn missed a chance to extend the lead with a penalty at long range, but South Africa went into half time leading 9-3 when Montgomery added his third penalty just before the interval.

Soon after the restart Mark Cueto crossed South Africa's try line out wide, but television replays showed that he had just gone in to touch. Jonny Wilkinson scored a penalty to reduce the deficit to three points, but Steyn and Montgomery each scored a penalty to win the match for South Africa.

Both teams had met in the pool stages, where South Africa won comprehensively. However England regained their form to reach the final with victories over Australia and France. South Africa had little trouble reaching the final, with comfortable victories over Fiji and Argentina. South Africa claim their second World Cup victory since 1995, while England lose the title they won in 2003.


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Scottish Premier League 2007–08: Rangers vs. Celtic

October 21, 2007

The first of the  ended in a 3-0 victory for  over Celtic.

The result brings the two clubs level on points at the top of the table, although Rangers are ranked second on goal difference.

The first chance of the match fell to Celtic when Scott McDonald, who played as a lone striker, tried an overhead kick which went wide. However Rangers took the lead when headed a goal just inside the half hour mark. scored Rangers' second goal soon after half time, while Novo scored a penalty to add their third with ten minutes remaining.

Rangers manager Walter Smith had claimed last season's derby victories over Celtic meant nothing, because Celtic were already Scottish champions in theory. This result could determine if Rangers win the championship, but Smith said that there was a "long way to go" before the title could be decided. Celtic manager Gordon Strachan said that his side had failed to take the chances they made.


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Saudi Arabia plans to open embassy in Finland

October 20, 2007

It has been announced that Saudi Arabia is planning to open an official embassy in Finland, to signify continuing improvement in relations between the two countries.

Teemu Tanner, director general of Africa and the Middle East at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland, said to reporters concerning Finnish President Tarja Halonen’s first visit to Saudi Arabia on Sunday, “One indication of this visit is that you (Saudi Arabia) are planning to open an embassy here in Helsinki," adding that “We regard this as extremely important for relations,” and that it is only a matter of time before the facility is made available.

Another act set to strengthen diplomatic relations is the planned visit of a trade delegation headed by Saudi Minister of Trade and Commerce Hashim Yamani, which will arrive in Finland next month.

“Our relationship is no longer in relation to trade,” said Tanner. “More broadly, we will discuss regional and global issues. It is extremely important for us to know Saudi Arabia’s views on Iraq, Iran, but also issues such as Somalia... One objective of the visit is to convey notes on international questions, as we enter a very interesting phase in the Middle East peace process,” adding that the presidential visit is a relational "landmark" that will "crystallize" Finland’s image to Saudi Arabia.

Despite the comment that the international cooperation is no longer entirely a trade issue, he did point out Saudi Arabia's important role in the Finnish economy as one of the five largest importers of Finnish products. Finland's main exports to Saudi Arabia are mobile phones, paper, wood and machinery, while Saudi Arabia exports large quantities of raw materials for use in manufacturing plastics. The total volume if this trade is estimated to be worth over €840 million.

Other topics on the table for the two nations to discuss during Halonen's visit include energy, the role of science, environmental issues and combating terrorism, as well as other global issues. Tanner has also suggested tourism may be a future area of attention, with a possibility of package holidays for Finnish tourists being organized to Saudi Arabia.

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I'm so glad that RSA won and not England. I wouldn't have minded England winning if it had not been for the fact they had won it in 2003 and would have made them the first team ever to win the Cup consecutively. --Nzgabriel | Talk 22:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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I think that England should have won this rugby world cup because everyone had counted them out but they still made it to the finals and also they should have been awarded that try in the corner. Krayz-one 20:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, let's add a converted try to the English score... Oh, look... They still lost... I admit they did well to get that far, but the cup belongs with the South Africans. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


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Thousands flee renewed violence in Congo

October 21, 2007

Thousands of civilians fled their homes on Saturday amid fierce fighting between local militias and Tutsi-dominated rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, according to the U.N. peacekeeping mission there.

Congolese Army Colonel Delphin Kahimbi said that "very violent attacks" had been reported, and that the fighting was between local militia known as Mai-Mai and rebels loyal to renegade Tutsi general Laurent Nkunda. Major P.K. Tiwari, a military spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping mission, said the fighting "started early this morning and ended late this afternoon." Tiwari said it was not clear who had attacked first.

Sylvie Van Den Wildenberg, a spokeswoman for the U.N. peacekeeping mission, described the suffering of civilians caught in the fighting as "unbearable". "What I saw was horrendous. It was raining. They didn't know where to go. Three women gave birth while they were fleeing," she said. "The humanitarian consequences of whatever is happening there are very serious."

Since the beginning of the year, 370,000 people have already fled their homes in the province of Nord-Kivu amid fighting between Congo's army, Rwandan Hutu rebels, and rebels loyal to Nkunda. Nkunda accuses Congo's army of supporting the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, a primarily Hutu rebel group that includes soldiers responsible for the 1994 Rwandan Genocide. The Congolese army consistently denies this charge.

In a press conference on Wednesday, Congolese President Joseph Kabila said the army had been authorized to prepare military operations to disarm Nkunda's rebels, of which there are approximately 5,000. Kabila has ruled out the possibility of negotiating with Nkunda.


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