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This article seems to be basically ready... any pertinent details can be added, and there is more than enough material for a good story. Theshibboleth 07:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * "NASA has announced" can't happen until after the Monday announcement takes place. (SEWilco 13:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC))

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I think this should go up as Lead Article. I don't want to do it myself as last time I did so there were comments that it was inappropriate. However, that's a feature that isn't updated often enough. Brianmc 17:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC) D-oh! It's up as featured article. I should look at the front page before I put my foot in my mouth (Although I made the suggestion only minutes after that). Brianmc 17:23, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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 * Done --Cspurrier 01:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Reporting dead link www.whitehouse.gov

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Musharraf denies making rape remarks

September 19, 2005

Pakistan's President, Pervez Musharraf, has denied making the comments on rape reported by the Washington Post.

The widespread reporting of the quotes from Musharraf's interview sparked protests on Friday in Pakistan and drew criticism from around the globe, with the Canadian Prime Minister, Paul Martin, saying that President Musharraf should issue some sort of apology.

Whilst Musharraf may deny the specifics of the comments made, co-author of the Post's interview, Glenn Kessler, has said that the Pakistani President was quoted, "verbatim and in context". That context being a discussion of the treatment given to Mukhtar Mai, a rape victim whose plight was publicised worldwide. Musharraf is quoted as saying, "A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped."

In recent times, Pakistan has seen a growth in activist groups seeking to promote Women's rights in Pakistan. A number of high profile rape cases, including that of Mukhtar Mai, have focused international attention on some of the practices that are commonplace in tribal parts of the country. Activists have accused President Musharraf of not taking the issue seriously, and that tribal elders still condone rape, if not actually ordering it.

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US clinic plans first face transplant

September 20, 2005

US doctors are to interview 12 patients with a view to performing the first ever transplant of a human face.

The Cleveland Clinic will choose between seven women and five men to find the person most suited for the experimental procedure, which is a radical and controversial solution to extreme facial scarring or disfigurement.

Having practiced the procedure on bodies donated for medical research, the Cleveland Clinic team believe they have a 50% chance of success. The procedure will not live up to science-fiction predictions and give the recipient the appearance of the donor; the underlying bone structure is the deciding factor in the final appearance. The new face will end up resembling neither the donor nor recipient.

Surgeons in several other countries have announced being ready to perform this procedure in the past. However, the risk and non life-threatening nature of disfigurement have meant that gaining approval for the groundbreaking surgery has been difficult. Like many other transplant operations, the recipient would be required to take drugs to prevent tissue rejection for the remainder of their life. These drugs can have side effects and carry their own risks involving the patient's immune system.

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Artists erect giant bunny on Italian mountainside

September 19, 2005

Gelitin, a group of artists from Vienna, has erected a pink bunny measuring 200 feet in length (about 60 metres) on the side of a northern Italian mountain.

The artwork, titled "Hase" (which translates simply as "Hare"), is located at a height of 1600m on the mountain Colletto Fava, close to Bar La Baita, above the Village of Artesina, Piemonte, Italy.

The soft rabbit is constructed out of pink wool, and is expected to remain on the mountain until 2025. Though it seems like a giant children's toy at first glance, a closer look or an in-person exploration quickly leads to the realization that the rabbit's side is split open, and its entrails pulled out.

The group designed it, but claims it was "knitted by dozens of grannies out of pink wool." The group's website, however, provides the actual credits for all the people involved.

Group member Wolfgang Gantner said: "It's supposed to make you feel small, like Gulliver. You walk around it and you can't help but smile."

The press release provided by the group explains rabbits as "the things one finds [while] wandering in a landscape, familiar things and utterly unknown." Though they compare the initial reaction they hope people to have to that of those encountering the giant Gulliver in Gulliver's Travels, looking around it in awe, the group does make it clear that they hope for people to climb onto the rabbit to explore and relax on it.


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Sprint/RealNetworks to provide cell phone Internet radio and podcasts in US

September 20, 2005

Wireless provider Sprint announced today, that they would be working with RealNetworks to launch a streaming music service, for Sprint wireless customers, called Rhapsody Radio.

The service will allow users to listen to podcasts and six streaming radio stations (rap, hip-hop hits, alternative, country, '70s, and music news) from their mobile phone. Users will be able to listen to live broadcasts of those stations over their cellular connection. For a monthly subscription fee of $6.95, users will also have unlimited access to commercial-free radio broadcasts. Selected streaming podcasts from KCRW, Santa Monica 89.9 FM, and National Public Radio’s Southern California station will also be available. A special Beats N Breaks stream is also available. Beats N Breaks provides background music from hip-hop songs for users to rap with.

Rhapsody Radio service requires a Sanyo MM-7400, Sanyo MM-5600, Sanyo MM-8300, Samsung IP-A790, Samsung MM-A800, Samsung MM-A880 or an LG MM-535 mobile phone. Customers are able to order directly from their phones, with the charge appearing on their next bill.

Many analysts predicted the introduction of music services by other wireless providers after Apple recently introduced the Motorola ROKR. The Motorola ROKR comes with a version of the iTunes software which allows users to listen to up to 100 songs on their phone. Service for this phone in the USA is provided by Cingular Wireless.


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Florida Keys evacuated in preparation for Rita

September 21, 2005

prompted local officials to evacuate the area. Evacuation ended as remaining people sought shelter. The storm is threatening to cause a 16+ foot, and has become a hurricane.

The storm may hit Southern Florida, then the US ; preliminary maps suggest landfall in Texas. Fear has caused crude oil prices to rise by $4 per barrel on Monday, in anticipation that Rita would cause more damage to the oil refineries around the Gulf of Mexico. This was the largest single day price increase for crude oil in history. Prices dropped by $1 to $66 per barrel on Tuesday, eased partly by news that OPEC would supply 2 million barrels of oil per day in extra capacity to ease supply shortages.

Phil Flynn, an analyst, stated that "We really can't afford to lose more production," as Katrina left many oil facilities inoperable.

40,000 residents are affected by the evacuation plans, which include everyone in the southern portions of the Keys. Voluntary evacuations were issued to 134,000 coastal residents. Five Cuban provinces were set on alert, as well as certain areas in the Bahamas and the remainder of Florida.

Rita could affect and other places recovering from  — it may cause a great deal of water to be dumped on the region — worrying officials. Daniel Brown, a hurricane meteorologist, said "This is something everyone should be paying attention to." President Bush adds: "There is deep concern about this storm causing more flooding in New Orleans."

From a Sunday, September 11 broadcast of  Meet The Press, Mr. Russert received the following answer to a question about the vulnerability of New Orleans to flooding. Dr. Ivor van Heerden is the deputy director of Louisiana State University Hurricane Center:

MR. RUSSERT: ...Doctor, you're an expert on this. We're still in the hurricane season. What are the chances, the likelihood that a tropical storm or, God forbid, another hurricane could hit this same area? DR. VAN HEERDEN: You know, there is a high probability it could happen. The unfortunate thing is, because the levee system is so weakened, just a tropical storm could reflood New Orleans. So it's a very, very vulnerable situation right now. We don't need another Katrina to flood New Orleans. A tropical storm that puts maybe five feet or six feet of water in Lake Pontchartrain, which is not rare, would reflood the city. MR. RUSSERT: Do you think the local, state and federal governments are prepared for an event like that in the coming weeks? DR. VAN HEERDEN: I don't think so, because right now they're really battling just to try and shore up the levees. You know, there were seven major levee breaks and it's going to take quite a lot of time to repair those, to have them engineeringly sound so they won't give way again.

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I don't check this page, so please leave any notes on my Wikipedia talk page.

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Idaho meterologist promotes Hurricane Katrina conspiracy theory

September 19, 2005

Scott Stevens, weatherman at KPVI-TV in claims that someone used Russian  technology to create. According to a brief article published September 8, 2005 on Flashnews.com, Stevens blames the Japanese mafia, who he says were attempting to manipulate futures markets via the natural disaster.

Stevens' website, WeatherWars.info, includes documentation he has collected in an attempt to bolster his theories that energy weapons and airplane contrails are part of secret weather manipulating activities.


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--BuzzSkyline 21:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

This news is not current. The dates in the source articles are September 8th and 9th. Please reference this somewhere in your piece. --Wolfrider 21:39, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

You are quite right that the source articles are a bit old, but they are also obscure. Is that sufficient enough to post it here? If not, I guess we should take it down.

I was thinking it was a story that had not broken into mainstream media yet. It also seems likely to be a story that will develop soon, considering that the increasing coverage of Stevens' quirky views are likely to reflect badly on his TV station, and increase the chances that he will be fired soon.--BuzzSkyline 21:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's a big deal that the story is old, and it is an interesting article. Scary but interesting. ;) I don't see a problem with keeping it up as long as you reference the dates inside the story, just to make sure it doesn't mislead people into believing that this is a recent development. --Wolfrider 22:15, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks better now. This is hilarious. I checked out WeatherWars and must say it's going on my list of some of the crazier things I've read on the net. Quite a feat. --Wolfrider 22:21, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Paranoia is a disease... Funny stuff! MikeCapone 00:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Why are you guys wasting time on this article while ignoring what the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers have said about the New Orleans disaster? As in white people planted bombs and blew up the levees in order to harm black people.

 * Umm, write it up and we'll see how it looks. The existence of one story doesn't mean another is not news, so there is room for both. I focus on science stories, so when a meterologist starts spouting conspiracy theories, I am inclined to cover it. I'll leave other conspiracies to folks who follow that sort of thing.--BuzzSkyline 14:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * So that white politicians can take the political flak? I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Spelling and formatting errors
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NYPD shuts down anti-war speech due to absence of permit

September 20, 2005

An anti-war demonstration in the streets of New York City failed to apply for a sound permit, normally granted for public demonstrations of all kinds. As a result of what police claim was an unauthorized use of an amplification device, the New York Police Department took action. Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan was speaking to a crowd of 150 before the microphone was removed by the authorities, according to a report published in The Village Voice. The organizer of the event, Paul Zulkowitz (nicknamed "Zool"), was arrested moments before the demonstration was dispersed.

Sheehan's speech was almost over Monday when the police interrupted. As Sheehan was escorted off the scene, the crowd shouted at the cops to "let her speak".

Sheehan said that "I was speaking and someone grabbed my backpack and pulled me back pretty roughly," and that "I was shoved around."

She added that "I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit." Mrs Sheehan noted that this happened when police broke up the rally.

The Sheehan tour's previous stop was in downtown Richmond, Virginia where she addressed a small gathering in front of the Virginia Army National Guard office. The small afternoon demonstration drew only a dozen supporters; and as many pro-war demonstrators joined the gathering.

Sheehan achieved national prominence following her peace vigil at the beginning of August 2005, when she camped in a ditch by a road near United States President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, vowing to stay until the President agreed to meet and speak with her about the Iraq War.


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Definitely the right direction. Nice work! See here. -- User:NGerda 04:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
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Talk:NYPD shuts down anti-war speech due to absence of permit

"shutdown" order issued? this is inaccurate and clunky. they stormed through the crowd and grabbed the mike. much closer to a 'silencing' than the orderly process this new title suggests. i'm gonna change it back or to something else besides this. Bstender 06:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Do you have a source stating that Sheehan is responsible for Bush's sliding approval rating? If so, please include that in your sources, otherwise remove the line from your opening paragraph. --Wolfrider 11:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

ok, working on it Bstender 16:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * ok, what i find is that despite the intense coverage, his approval drop was not significant. so, good call, sorry to be careless. but i do want to capture the essence of the point which is that the events were both bad news for bush. i dont think that is questionable (except in some Rovian mirror universe)...changing.Bstender 16:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It reads better now. :) Good coverage. I hadn't heard about the story. Thanks! --Wolfrider 21:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

POV issues

 * First senctence: "Cindy Sheehan, bereaved mother and news-maker, found no sympathy from the New York Police Department (NYPD)." is emotive and pointless. It provides no factual content; work it into the first para.
 * 'stormed' is slightly POV. The viilage voice article never uses it except to describe the protestors confronting police. I didn't look at the other source since it is not a legitmate source. If you wish to *quote* someone describing the police as 'storming' in then please do so. The VV uses 'marched'
 * I have no idea what a 'solidarity encampment' is.
 * There is no mention of the fact that police were attempting to arrest the organiser. Furthermore, the NY-Sun reports that police repeatedly warned them to turn the audio equipment off.
 * The protestors are reported to have some lovely things to say to NY's finest. (It's important that faux-lefties get quoted as much as possible, because they routinely undermine themselves everytime they actually say something. ok sorry couldn't resist ;) 69.23.220.138 05:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Applying the word "notoriety" to Cindy Sheehan is POV. The term has had a pejorative connotation for some 400 years. I'm changing it to the neutral "national prominence". Mpulier 03:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * you've got to be kidding me, this is written for the military times. my facts were not wrong and is NOT POV. take a poll. Bstender 04:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've not edited this article at all, but I have reverted your revert as the article appeared to be factual (and little different from the version you reverted to). The article, as it stands, is compliant with both our NPOV directive and the style guide. --Chiacomo (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Little different? mine is erased and this police press release has been inserted! yes it is compliant, but so was mine. isn't it better if someone wants to rewrite the story that they just click on the "write a new article" button, why erase mine and rewrite it? clearly the author hates protestors and wanted to write about how appropriate the police were. aren't you really saying that you consider this the _corrrect_ POV? if he can erase my work, why do i have to submit to that? bc this is the POV you prefer?  i'm trying to understand this, please explain.

 * BTW, the rewrite came from one person, it was not "community developed", i did take care to go back to the last revision prior to the re-write.Bstender 05:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, it doesn't appear to have been erased -- simply re-written. I think this diff will show where the major changes occurred. As you can see, several portions of the article were retained -- and there has been some editing of the article since. I've read the article (both your version and current version) and both present the facts. Your article did incorporate some emotive language, which, while compelling to the reader, may not most appropriate for this purpose. Wikinews is not in the business of creating sensational journalism, but rather, we hope to present factual news with as little POV as possible. You and I both know that news will never be entirely NPOV -- the events themselves protray a certain POV that cannot be escaped. If there are fundamental inconsistencies with the actual event and the event as portrayed in the article, perhaps they can be discussed on this talk page. If you have objections to language (emotive, POV, or otherwise) used, that too can be discussed on this talk page. Wholesale reverts to a previous version of an article (especially after other editors have contributed) without adequate explanation is probably not the best way to approach this issue. Thank you for reading this epistle -- it's longer than I intended, and thank you for contributing to Wikinews! --Chiacomo (talk) 05:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * re-writing an article is equivalent to reverting an article.Bstender 23:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I am amazed how this story got stepped on since I added the bit about the Richmond tour stop. I fail to understand how removing content from an article could be considered by another editor as making a contribution to the story — unless the content was completely incorrect, a standard which I do not think was met with this story and its content removal.

Simply rewriting the content to NPOV suffices, or qualifying the reporting with additional reporting is the method I believe we should ascribe to. This would avoid revert wars which are not productive. Considering the butcher job done to this story, well, I can't agree that when it comes to reporting, that "perfection is attained when there is nothing left to take away". When it comes to reporting, there is always something more to add. -Edbrown05 15:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * and this butcher job is an example of NPOV-compliant text being selectively used to emphasize certain facts over others. i did it with my original article, then the butcher ddi it by erasing my stuff and telling it fromthe point of view of the police (much of which has been erased now, but an example is, i started the article with "Cindy Sheehan, bereaved mother ... found no sympathy from the NYPD." which was replaced by "An anti-war demonstration..was shut down Monday, after failing to obtain a sound permit" both are accurate, nor are they overtly POV, but the facts chosen to report strongly convey a pov. the second takes the position that the police are unquestionable in their position (we don't for sure whether they had the right to shut it down, the fact is that the police harass protestors in violation of the law as a rule-not an exception) the writer already displayed his bias against the left and made an attempt to retell the story in as negative a light as possible without out and out saying it. having a personal POV is fine btw, what is not fine is axing someone elses personal POV and inserting your own. i think the mods should be limited to correcting factual errors, blatant POV and punctuation. if you want to retell from the police pov, then just click the "start new story" button on the main page.Bstender 23:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It looks pretty nuetral to me now. An example from the other POV would be:

 * "Peace officers forced to break up illegal gathering of radical potential rioters after repeated requests were arrogantly denied."

 * The current NPOV voice is much better than either POV version, IMO. StuRat 16:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


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Lightning storm moves through Southern California

Lightning storms moved over Southern California Monday evening and Tuesday morning. Rain fell several times during the night, and lightning struck repeatedly throughout the region.

Citizens reported smoldering palm trees in several areas of Orange County. In the suburban city of Irvine, darkness came early as heavy clouds blotted out the twilight. Some of the heaviest weather came soon after, as fat raindrops fell on the city. Lightning lit up the sky as often as every fifteen seconds, and AM radios emitted bursts of static every few seconds as lightning struck. The storm tapered off for several hours, but peaked again shortly before 1 am; lightning was once again seen repeatedly and power flickered several times.

The National Weather Service's San Diego office issued an advisory warning of approaching thunderstorms; they estimated there would be 1/4 inch of rainfall and that the storm would leave the area by Tuesday night.

Southern California rarely sees lightning; a thunderstorm rolls through once every few years, typically due to bad weather to the south. Meteorologists say that this storm is an offshoot of Hurricane Max, which is currently several hundred miles west of Mexico and moving away from land.


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Original reporting
Original parts include the statements about what happened in Irvine and the comment on the frequency of thunderstorms.

By the way, I was lucky to be working on my laptop—if I'd been on my desktop, I would've lost this story when the power started acting up. —Brent Dax (talk) 08:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

In other news....
City worker eats lunch.

 * Hey, a lightning storm in SoCal is a pretty rare occurrence, and even more so to have it happen in September. :-) -- IlyaHaykinson 15:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree- this is news? 70.24.239.249 01:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I boot my computer, load up my Home Page, and then scan the headlines on the RSS Feed of Wikinews. All headlines, to some degree or another, I am already somewhat familiar with what must be the general content of the story, except for this one. So the news is that this story is the one headline on the list that I clicked upon. -Edbrown05 14:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

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As part of a general template cleanup, the template "Los Angeles-Continent" should be removed and the following categories should be added: Thanks, Van der Hoorn (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Category:Los Angeles, California"
 * "Category:California"
 * "Category:United States"
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Basra, Iraq raid by UK forces to rescue soldiers from police

September 20, 2005

UK forces have raided an Iraqi police station and a house in Basra to retrieve two British soldiers who had been arrested by Iraqi police forces. Later media reports say 'the soldiers were found not to be at the police station. Based on received intelligence a house was then stormed; the soldiers were found being held by "local militia".'

The identities of the two soldiers are unknown, but it is known they were special forces working in "plain clothes", dressed as Iraqis and wearing dark wigs. The incident has been accompanied by petrol bomb attacks on British armoured vehicles and stones being thrown at the soldiers as they evacuated the vehicles due to fears of "exploding ammunition", according to more recent media. Associated Press has reported that about 150 prisoners are believed to have escaped as the result of the raids, although the higher Iraqi authorities hold that this is not true.

It is not clear precisely what the rescued soldiers were being held for, besides a possible covert attempt to plant a carbomb, as the Sept. 19th article listed below declares the 2 "were using a civilian car packed with explosives" while disguised as Iraqis wearing Arab uniforms. Many news sources have reported that the men were working undercover for British forces. Iraqi authorities report that the men had opened fire on police, killing one officer and wounding another. The Washington Post article tells of the Iraqi Police calling for locals to come help hold the soldiers so as the situation may be investigated. Three hours later, the 2 were broken out of an allied jail by force. It is too early to determine the truth of any of these claims yet, but it is certain to have ramifications for the peace process as well as global affairs.

The constant manipulation of this story as it progresses is undeniable.


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rescued from police?
the story seems a little more complicated, according to the sources they were found in the hands of militia. perhaps the title should be changed some to reflect this. something like: policestation and house in Basra, Iraq raided to retrieve UK soldiers. Boneyard 10:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Title is accurate. One has one's doubts about the Basra police's choice of "prison subcontractors", but the fact is that they stormed a police station to locate the "subcontractors", so that is part of the raid. All indications are that the police could easily retrieved the soldiers themselves, i.e. the soldiers were never actually out of the control of the civilian athorities in Basra. - Nyarlathotep 11:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Disagree. From the BBC article, "Two British soldiers whose imprisonment prompted UK troops to storm a Basra police station were later rescued from militia ... local police revealed the whereabouts of the two men after the station was stormed.".  This sounds like the UK soldiers were handed over to the militia, the Iraqi authorities started saying they didn't have them, and the solution was to extract the location, "At the point of a 30mm cannon".  This is great news material, and I don't think the title does it justice.  How about UK forces raid police for location of milita-held soldiers.  This covers the multiple raids, the fact that the location of the soldiers wasn't exactly forthcoming, and that non-goverment forces were involved.  Calling local thugs who work for some warlord "prison subcontractors" is ridiculous.  --Brianmc 20:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Your title proposed obfuscates several important facts:
 * 1) We the arrests were presumably "legitimate" (whatever that means in Iraq). Our title should not imply that the arrests were not legitimate, unless new sources support that conclusion, which is unlikely.
 * 2) The Shia militia appears to have the power to hold prisoners "ligitimately" deligated from a civilian authority; they are not an insurgent group. If you read all the sources, its clear that the militia was holding many prisoners for the police.  So we must assume that the Basra police had an ongoing arangment with militia, like legitimacy in exchange for help.  As I said, all indications are that the police can get prisoners back from the militia.  Our title must not imply that the militia did not have its these powers legitimately deligated to it by a civilian authority, unless new sources revel otherwise, which is unlikely.
 * So why did the British react like this? Torture might be one "service" the militia provides to the police.  Or the British might have feared that it was.  But its all guess work at the moment.  As it stands, both British raids will create political difficulties, and that is our story.  - Nyarlathotep 00:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

background to Basra, and other details
Hi all - I'm brand new to Wikinews so please forgive and educate me on errors of format, etiquette, and the like.

After reading and researching this Wikinews article, I would like to make the following suggestions:

1) Iraqi security forces in general, and the Basra police force in particular, have been infiltrated by militiamen, insurgents, and 'terrorists,' according to the Iraqi National Security Adviser Muwafaq al-Rubie ("Insurgents 'inside Iraqi police'". BBC News Online, 20 September, 2005) and also according to Steven Vincent, the American freelance journalist who was murdered in August after writing an article about infiltration in the Basra police force ("British, Iraqis Disagree on Basra Events". Washington Post, 20 September, 2005.) The fact that the Basra police is known to have been infiltrated by 'the enemy' must explain, at least in part, the extraordinary measures taken by the British Army to reclaim its 2 soldiers. It may even be part of the reason that the Basra police apparently refused orders from the Ministry of the Interior and from "local judical authorities" to release the 2 prisoners to the British. ("Reid defends Basra jail raid". Guardian Unlimited, 20 September, 2005. and "British, Iraqis Disagree on Basra Events". Washington Post, 20 September, 2005.) The issue of insurgent infiltration of Iraqi (and in particular Basra) security forces should be added to the article.

2) A number of British and Iraqi officials, some at the cabinet level, made strong statements about the incident that could add colour to the article. British commander Brigadier John Lorimer expressed his "deep concern" at the "unacceptable" transfer of British prisoners to militia custody, and John Reid, the British Secretary of Defense, said that the British Army had been "absolutely right" to reclaim its arrested soldiers by force, while Mohammed al-Waili, the Governor of Basra, slammed the action as "barbaric, savage and irresponsible," and a spokesman for the Iraqi Prime Minister called the raid on the police station a "very unfortunate development." Moqtada Al-Sadr aide Ali al-Yassiri called the alleged shooting of Iraqi police by the 2 British soliders an act of "international terrorism" and their liberation a "dangerous precedent." ("Attacks in Iraq Kill 9 Americans". New York Times, 20 September, 2005. "Reid defends Basra jail raid". Guardian Unlimited, 20 September, 2005. "UK Soldiers 'freed from militia'". BBC News Online, 20 September, 2005.)

3) Since fatalities and injuries resulted, casualty estimates for the incident might be mentioned. It is estimated that 2 Iraqi civilians were killed, and that perhaps 25 Iraqis and 3 British soldiers were injured. The 2 British prisoners were only lighted injured and "are expected to return to duty shortly," according to the British Secretary of Defense. ("British Army Storms Basra Jail to Free 2 Soldiers from Arrest". New York Times, 20 September 2005. "British Soldiers Free Two from Iraq Jail". Washington Post, 20 September, 2005.)

4) It seems important to the story that over the weekend the British had arrested 3 of al-Sadr's leading militiamen, admittedly "prominent individuals in Basra," according to Brigadier John Lorrimer, and that these arrests lead to violent protests by hundreds of al-Sadr supporters. Iraqi MP Ali Dabagh, and also an anonymous Iraqi Interior Ministry official, speculated that al-Sadr's men wanted to use the 2 British prisoners to force the release of their arrested leaders. ("British Army Storms Basra Jail to Free 2 Soldiers from Arrest". New York Times, 20 September 2005. and "Multinational Division (South East) Names Captured Terror Suspects". U.S. Centcom, www.centcom.mil, 19 September, 2005. "UK Admits Basra jail raid". AlJazeera.net, 20 September, 2005.)

5) It might be pointed out that British violence against Iraqi police, however justified, constitutes a challange to Iraqi sovereignty that could only be humiliating to the Iraqi population in general. Hence the angry and demagogic tone taken by Basra's Governor and by al-Sadr, and the more diplomatic but still angry tone of the Prime Minister's Office. First, the 2 British detinees allegedly shot Iraqi policemen, then the British Army sent in armoured units and helicopters to break them out of jail, and when that failed, they extracted information about the 2 men from Iraqi police "at the point of a 30mm cannon." ("UK Soldiers Freed from Militia". BBC News Online, 20 September, 2005.)

--Apple 03:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The following Reuters report raises some disturbing questions.

Why were undercover British "soldiers" wearing traditional Arab headscarves firing at Iraqi police?

The incident took place just prior to a major religious event in Basra.

The report suggests that the police thought the British soldiers looked "suspicious". What was the nature of their mission?

Occupation forces are supposesd to be collaborating with Iraqi authorities. Why did Britsh Forces have to storm the prison using tanks and armoured vehicles to liberate the British undercover agents?

"British forces used up to 10 tanks " supported by helicopters " to smash through the walls of the jail and free the two British servicemen."

Was there concern that the British "soldiers" who were being held by the Iraqi National Guard would be obliged to reveal the nature and objective of their undercover mission?

A report of Al Jazeera TV, which preceeded the raid on the prison, suggests that the British undercover soldiers were driving a booby trapped car loaded with ammunition. The Al Jazeera report (see below) also suggests that the riots directed against British military presence were motivated because the British undercover soldiers were planning to explode the booby trapped car in the centre of Basra:

[Anchorman Al-Habib al-Ghuraybi] We have with us on the telephone from Baghdad Fattah al-Shaykh, member of the Iraqi National Assembly. What are the details of and the facts surrounding  this incident?

[Al-Shaykh] In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate. There have been continuous provocative acts since the day before yesterday by the British forces against the peaceful sons of Basra. There have been indiscriminate arrests, the most recent of which was the arrest of Shaykh Ahmad al-Farqusi and two Basra citizens on the pretext that they had carried out terrorist operations to kill US soldiers. This is a baseless claim. This was confirmed to us by [name indistinct] the second secretary at the British Embassy in Baghdad, when we met with him a short while ago. He said that there is evidence on this. We say: You should come up with this evidence or forget about this issue. If you really want to look for truth, then we should resort to the Iraqi justice away from the British provocations against the sons of Basra, particularly what happened today when the sons of Basra caught two non-Iraqis, who seem to be Britons and were in a car of the Cressida type. It was a booby-trapped car laden with ammunition and was meant to explode in the centre of the city of Basra in the popular market. However, the sons of the city of Basra arrested them. They [the two non-Iraqis] then fired at the people there and killed some of them. The two arrested persons are now at the Intelligence Department in Basra, and they were held by the National Guard force, but the British occupation forces are still surrounding this department in an attempt to absolve them of the crime.

[Al-Ghuraybi] Thank you Fattah al-Shaykh, member of the National Assembly and deputy for Basra.

Text of report by Qatari Al-Jazeera satellite TV on 19 September (emphasis added)

Is this an isolated incident or is part of a pattern?

More significantly, have the occupation forces been involved in similar undercover missions? Syrian TV (Sept 19, 2005) reports the following:

Ten Iraqis - seven police commandos, two civilians and a child - were killed and more than 10 others wounded in the explosion of two car bombs near two checkpoints in Al-Mahmudiyah and Al-Latifiyah south of Baghdad while hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were heading towards the city of Karbala to mark the anniversary of a religious event.

And in a significant incident in the city of Basra, which is also marking the same religious event, Iraqi demonstrators set fire to two British tanks near a police station after Iraqi police had arrested two British soldiers disguised in civilian clothes for opening fire on police. Eight armoured British vehicles surrounded the police station before the eruption of the confrontations. A policeman at the scene said the two detained Britons were wearing traditional Iraqi jallabahs [loose cloaks] and wigs.

[Italics added]

An indepth independent inquiry should be ordered by Britain's House of Commons into the circumstances of this event.


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Talk:US clinic plans first face transplant

"First"?

What about this?

 * I can't find any evidence that they actually went through with that surgery. -- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 12:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


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Opera Internet browser goes ad-free

September 20, 2005

Opera Software has ended the use of ads in the zero cost version of its Opera web browser. Opera is intended as closed source software, its license states that You shall not modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software or any part thereof or otherwise attempt to derive source code or create derivative works therefrom.. Until now the program displayed an advertisement when being used, however the program had an option that would remove the advertisement in return for a fee. Company Officials expressed hope that this move would prompt more users to download the Opera browser and thus increase the company's revenue from its search engine product.

Opera's features compete directly with Mozilla Firefox, and include tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, integrated search, mouse gestures and voice control for various features. Its license does not compete with Mozilla Firefox, since Mozilla Firefox is free software, which can be freely modified and redistributed.

You can download Opera at the Opera website for Windows, Apple and Linux.

Opera is also offering torrents of the new release to ease the load on their servers.

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London bombers rehearsed attacks

September 20, 2005

Police at Scotland Yard have discovered that the suicide bombers who mounted an attack on London on July 7th had rehearsed their plan nine days earlier.

As part of the formal investigation into the attacks, detectives studied thousands of hours of CCTV footage. The images show three of the bombers entering Luton station, before travelling to King's Cross station where they are also pictured.

Police were able to trace their movements after recovering tickets and receipts from houses connected to the bombers which indicated the route of their trip.

Scotland Yard says the practice run shows 'terrorist methodology'. Over 3,000 witness statements have been gathered and 80,000 CCTV tapes analysed, and the investigation is expected to carry on for many months to come.

Terror Timetable

 * Sidique Khan and Tanweer meet Lindsay at Luton Station at 8:10 a.m.
 * The three buy tickets and catch a train to King's Cross
 * The men arrive at King's Cross at 8:55 a.m. and are seen at Baker Steet at midday
 * The bombers leave King's Cross at 12:50 p.m. and arrive back in Luton at 1:40 p.m.

If you have information in connection with the London bombings please call the Anti-Terrorist Hotline on 0800 789321.

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Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal dead at 96

September 20, 2005 Holocaust survivor and famous Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, founder of the center that bears his name, has passed away this morning at his home in Vienna, Austria. He was 96.

Wiesenthal was born December 31, 1908 in Buchach, then part of Austria-Hungary, and studied in Prague. He settled in Poland and was forced to work in a factory after the Soviet Union had invaded Poland, following the Hitler-Stalin pact. When the Germans then turned on the Soviet Union in 1941, Wiesenthal was caught and interned in several concentration camps. He was liberated when American forces reached the Mauthausen concentration camp in May 1945.

Wiesenthal devoted almost his entire Post-WWII life tracking down and pursuing Nazi war criminals. In 1947 he and thirty colleages founded the Jewish Documentation Center in Linz, Austria which was devoted to collecting information on the whearabouts of war criminals and the documentation of their crimes. But the brewing cold war caused the U.S. and Soviet Union to quickly lose interest in the prosecution of Nazis. Wiesenthal closed the Linz centre in 1954 but gained new hope with the capture of Adolf Eichmann, whom he helped to track down. Possibly his biggest success was the capture and trial of Franz Stangl, commandant at the Treblinka extermination camp. In total he and the Simon Wiesenthal center he set up in the U.S. in 1977 is thought to have brought some 1100 war criminals to justice. But he failed to capture Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller and Auschwitz "doctor" Josef Mengele.

Wiesenthal's life was not without controversy. Austrian chancellor Bruno Kreisky, himself a Jewish person, accused Wiesethal of being part of "certain mafia" seeking to besmirch Austria and claimed Wiesenthal collaborated with the Nazis to survive. On the other hand Wiesenthal refused to condemn Kurt Waldheim, former U.N. Secretary-General and Austrian president, for being a officer of the German army during WWII, something which alienated him from American Jewish groups.

Tributes
Israeli president Moshe Katsav called Wiesenthal the "biggest fighter" of his generation. "He represented the morality of humanity; he represented the free world, the democratic world. He devoted his life to fighting racism, anti-Semitism, Nazism and he really contributed to making a better world for the next generation", Katsav said during a visit to Latvia.

Hungarian Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany said: "Humanity is poorer because a just man, Simon Wiesenthal, is gone".

German president Horst Köhler said that Wiesenthal sought "justice, not revenge or hatred. That was an expression of a personality embossed with deep humanitarianism. He remains a role model for us to fight injustice persistently and forceful".

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Looks good, but needed wikilinks, categories, a notice that free registration is req'd on the 3rd source, and a pic; so I added them. StuRat 17:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

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Google prepares to launch WiFi service

September 22, 2005 According to several pages on Google’s website, Google is launching a free WiFi service. This program, called Google Secure Access, creates a Virtual Private Network allowing secure access to the Internet. Google Secure Access encrypts all traffic to and from a user’s machine while the user is connected to the wireless access point.

Google provides its engineers with time to work on independent research projects. Google Secure Access was created as an independent research project by a Google engineer after he discovered that WiFi was insecure at most locations.

According to the Google Secure Access FAQ, the service is only available at "certain Google WiFi locations in the San Francisco Bay Area". According to some reports, the service is working from some independent (non-Google) WiFi locations in NYC.

Like many of Google’s other popular services such as Gmail, Google Secure Access is still in the beta testing stage.

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US Federal Reserve lifts interest rates

September 20, 2005 The US Federal Reserve has just raised the base rate of interest for the 11th month in a row, despite concerns that the economy will slow after Hurricane Katrina.

The rate rose by a quarter of a percentage point to 3.75%, but analysts have predicted it may rise to 4.5% in the coming months, in spite of consumer spending being down. The Fed says it is hoping to counter soaring house prices and the high price of oil.

Economic growth in the US this year is forecast at around 3.3%, but government officials estimate that 0.5% growth could be lost due to Hurricane Katrina.

However, analysts are confident that the economy is robust enough to withstand and shake off the effects of high oil prices and unemployment caused by Hurricane Katrina.

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I can't see this article. Is it just me or is there something wrong with it?
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Talk:Afghanistan holds first democratic general elections

This article appears to have had some initial unintentional bias towards saying the elections were a success, primarily because an election official was quoted, and such a person would be expected to call it a success in any case. For example, the quote said there was a ""high level of political awareness and participation", when there was only 50% turnout. I tried to balance it out a bit with the actual numbers and a new source.  I also added categories and a pic. StuRat 19:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * And is it really the first democratic general one? I heard they held an general election in 1969. --Aphaia 19:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Good point. Perhaps the title should be "Afghanistan holds first democratic general elections since 1969". StuRat 21:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Or "after Taliban regime". But "since 1969" seems more impressive. --Aphaia 18:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Demography of Afghanistan
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Talk:Opera Internet browser goes ad-free

See free software if you don't know what free means in terms of software. It normally means free as in speech, not free as in beer. If the meaning is not clear, then make it clear.

AFAIK no version of Opera is free software. Certainly, the version linked from the article has a license.txt which clearly shows that it is non-free. Boud 21:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Closed Source is an even better term here. User:urger 7:24PM EST, 9-20-2005

True! When i checked the opera status, i only read enough to be convinced it was non-free and to quote the relevant text, and although i sort of half-noticed the bit about not being allowed to derive the source code, i didn't realise that the tar.gz really only contained the binary + a few wrappers and auxiliary files. i guessed i assumed (wrongly) that since it was a tar.gz it should contain source code! Boud 01:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

What search product?
Opera has no search product, at most it has revenue sharing agreements with search engines it points its users to.


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Einstein's equation turns 100

September 27, 2005

Albert Einstein's best known equation, and probably the best known aspect of all physics, E=mc2, turns one hundred today.

September 27, 1905 is generally considered the birthday of the equation because that is the day that Einstein's paper outlining the significance of the equation arrived in the offices of the German journal Annalen der Physik. In the equation, 'E' stands for Energy, 'm' stands for mass, and 'c' stands for the speed of light.

The equation shows that matter and energy are, essentially, two aspects of the same thing, and that a small amount of matter can be converted into an enormous amount of energy. Nuclear reactions, including fusion in the sun and in nuclear weapons, are examples of large amounts of energy released from the conversion of comparatively small quantities of mass.

The United Nations declared 2005 the International Year of Physics in recognition of Albert Einstein's work in 1905. In addition to discovering his famous equation, over the course of 5 months in 1905 Einstein developed the theory of Special Relativity (which led him to the equation E=mc2), proved the existence of atoms and molecules, and showed that light is made of photons. 1905 is often called Einstein's annus mirabilis, or miracle year. The 100th anniversary of Einstein's miracle year is being celebrated in many countries around the world as the World Year of Physics. In the UK, it is called the Einstein Year.

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Talk:Einstein's equation turns 100

Is this Newsworthy?
let me know what you think. If the answer is yes, I'll add more in time for the 27th. --BuzzSkyline 21:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes!!! Einstein's discoveries were great and numerous. His memory deserves to be on here. Goodgerster 20:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, this was one of the most important discoverys of the 20th century! --Nathan8225 22:09, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. However, I wonder if this part could be reworded - "Einstein layed out the theory of Special Relativity..." "Layed out" as in "knocked down"? Sounds like pay-per-view material!

IMHO Albert Einstein uncover a great theory, and hereby exist more discovery's whitch is practically that him theory .. PetrYk --62.65.177.62 15:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

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Vatican denies church is shielding war criminal

September 20, 2005

United Nations Chief War Crimes prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia has accused the Catholic Church in Croatia of shielding one of the most wanted war criminals of the conflict in the region.

The Vatican has denied the accusation that it is shielding the alleged war criminal, General Ante Gotovina, claiming they have sought clarification on Ms del Ponte's accusation that the General is being sheltered in a monastery in Croatia.


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Deleted Full Report mention
I have removed the mention of Audio Wikinews: Full Report from the bottom of this template. It has been about a month and a half since anyone has produced a full report, so I think it's misleading to listeners to tell them to "check it out" (and, it's certainly misleading to tell them that it's produced daily, which it has never been). I replaced it with the concluding sentence, "This has been a news brief for Audio Wikinews. Have a good day."

Flow of Broadcast
I would personally, although this is not cannon, encourage readers not to state, in full, the closing comments and licensing statements. For a broadcast as short as the news briefs, it is unreasonable for this massive body of text to be read (it can take as much as a third of the brief). This inflates file size and reduces the amount of actual news covered.

Title Change
Can we change from "Audio Wikinews News Briefs" to "Wikinews Audio News Briefs"? In the first case you are repeating the word "news", and it seems (to me) to flow better in the second case. Not really suggesting changing the whole site around that, but for word flow when speaking it is easier to enunciate.dzcowart 02:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:IDG cancels Macworld Boston

Looks good, but it needed more wikilinks, categories, some wording fixes and to be published. I did all that. A pic would be nice too. StuRat 23:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Self-sabotage ?
I am suspicious that IDG wanted to cancel the East Coast shows all along since they are less profitable, but didn't want to face the criticism it would have generated, so they intentionally sabotaged it by moving it out of New York, knowing this would cause Apple to pull out. This, in turn, would make the cancellation easier to justify. I can't see any other explanation for why IDG would move out of New York. Anyone have any info on this angle ? StuRat 23:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

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urger is a college student in New York, New York, studing Geography and Geographic Information Systems. He is also active in the QuickBASIC and FreeBASIC programming communities.

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AOL to launch VoIP service

September 20, 2005 Today, AOL had announced that it is launching a new service to be named TotalTalk. TotalTalk is much like due to its unification of verbal conversation and instant messenger into one client. However, much like Skype, client-to-phone conversations are possible. Other features include caller ID, voice mail integration with e-mail, three-way calling, and more.

Unlike AOL's current VoIP service, TotalTalk will not require AOL membership. However, access to this service may cost upwards of $34.99 per month.

Later this week, AOL will also release its new instant messenger client, Triton. Triton will contain a softphone feature that can be used with TotalTalk.

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FBI recruits for "War on Porn"

September 24, 2005

Last month, the FBI's Washington Field Office began an internal recruitment drive to staff a new anti-obscenity squad. The job of the new squad would be to gather evidence against the "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography, and would require eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support help. The squad would not be concerned with child pornography, but instead focus on pornography that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults. The squad would target bestiality, urination, defecation, and sadomasochistic behavior, which have a high rate of conviction in jury trials.

The initiative is described as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, as well as FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III. Gonzales has said that "adult pornography is a threat to families and children." Christian groups, such as the Family Research Council who have criticized Gonzales for what they consider his weak stance on abortion, welcomed the initiative with "a growing sense of confidence in our new attorney general."

Historians have criticized past FBI policies for focusing resources on cases which are easy to solve, especially stolen car cases, with the intent of boosting the agency's success rate. Congress began funding the obscenity initiative in fiscal 2005 and specified that the FBI must devote 10 agents to adult pornography.

The adult pornography initiative is seen as a "running joke" by many agents at larger offices which usually focus on national security, technology crimes, and public corruption.

Hard-core pornography is seen as far more mainstream today, partly due to its availability on DirecTV, owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., and on in-room television offerings at the Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott and Hyatt hotel chains. Such companies are referred to as "white-collar pornographers" by Christian groups.

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FDA recalls foreign meat used in aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina

September 26, 2005

The American Food and Drug Administration has recalled operational rations (MREs) donated by Britain to help survivors of Hurricane Katrina.

The Daily Mirror insinuated that the majority of the 400,000 rations donated by Britain, at a cost of millions of pounds, are set to be destroyed at a plant in Little Rock, Arkansas. The Washington Times reported, on September 23, 2005, that a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Agriculture confirmed that the food was being held at the facility but denied any plans to incinerate the rations donated by Britain.

Nevertheless, the move has infuriated aid workers who hasten to point out that "Under NATO, American soldiers are also entitled to eat such rations, yet the starving of the American South will see them go up in smoke because of FDA red tape madness." One aid worker was quoted as saying that "the world's richest nation couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery and lets Americans starve while they arrogantly observe petty regulations. Everyone is revolted by the chaotic shambles the US is making of this crisis. Guys from UNICEF are walking around spitting blood."

An FDA spokesman said the rations had not been inspected but were automatically deemed "unfit for human consumption" due to Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE or colloquially "mad cow disease") fears. He observed that 70 pallets of vegetarian MREs were inspected and approved on September 13th. Aid workers claim that, today, BSE is much more of a problem in the U.S. than in Britain.

Food donations from Spain and Italy are also being held by the FDA due to similar concern, as well as thousands of gallons of pear juice from Israel. Licensing regulations have also prevented foreign nations from sending doctors and other medical personnel.


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Tennessee closes down Christian ex-gay camp for treating mental illness without a license

September 21, 2005

The Tennessee state Department of Mental Health has ordered the closing of two Ex-gay ministries operated by Love In Action International Inc., a controversial Christian group that counsels gays to give up homosexuality.

The state deemed that Love in Action was "providing housing, meals and personal care for mentally ill patients without a license". In particular, the state found that Love in Action was dispensing medication to patients without the required license.

Love in Action has repeatedly drawn fire from gay rights groups who view it as preying upon the fears of religious parents in order to make Christian ministers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson seem more acceptable to the uninformed public. Gay rights advocates view such bootcamp style Ex-Gay camps as "tantamount to child abuse".

Love In Action is viewed as the first modern Ex-Gay group. Its co-founder John Evans, who abandoned the ministry, feels that it has led to "nothing but shattered lives, depression, and even suicide" and suggests that "The Church has been wrong in the past regarding moral issues and I’m sure there will be more before Christ returns."

The American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association strongly affirm that "homosexuality is not an illness", "does not require treatment" and "is not changeable." They feel that "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so," and warn that people seeking conversion therapy may be doing so under pressure from religious groups. The American public is evenly divided on the question of whether homosexual orientation can be changed, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.


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Talk:Sheehan Hurt At Iraq Protest

This article is a dupe of NYPD shuts down anti-war speech due to absence of permit. --Aciel 05:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:FBI recruits for "War on Porn"

Guys, can someone please find another source to incorporate more information (and fact-check the other info in this article)? --Mrmiscellanious 10:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I'ved added more sources, it was fairly trivial to just pick them up on google. But they are all inferior to the Washington Post article, as they are just advocasy groups websites. The Washington Post article has created a major stir in the blog-o-sphear, but none are currently worth linking to. If you want, we could leave the article in develop until Monday morning, by that time a really good blog entry should have surfaced.

As for other info, I'm not seeing anything particularly unsupported or controversial in this article. Yes, Rupert Murdock does make money selling hard-core porn. Yes, hard-core porn has become more accepted in the U.S., partly due to its increased availability. etc. That comment about the FBI's history with stolen cars is generally accetped among historians who have looked at the FBI, and is clearly marked as historical. When Hoover focused resources on stolen cars, he did it explicitly to boost the agencies image because he knew stolen cars were generally found. Such gamesmanship is usually not quite so intentional, but it survives anyway and should be commented upon. Clearly tracking down a websites owner is far easier than even finding a stolen car. And the FBI's memo basically said to only go after stuff when juries might convict. What do you want to bet that a bestiality site in NYC will go unprosicuted while some tame S&M site in Colarado gets taken down?

Anyway, I have this feeling that your just making up this rule about one source articles, and if your not it is a very bad rule. What is true is that a one source article should have a reputable source IF it is to treat any statments made by that source as fact. For example, the Washington Post is not going to lie about congress passing legislation for move 10 agents to working on adult pornography.

So upon a second reading, I see that I've really not given free speach advocates any time at all. Your suggestion that I find sources partly helps by providing a link to that gay newws site. I'll add balance it by adding some freedom of speach quotes later. - Nyarlathotep 11:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It's hard to get the facts straight with just ONE article, as many times journalists make errors in accuracy. So I don't see how it would be a "very bad rule".  The Washington Post is always under fire for being biased or not having factual accuracy, so in this case it is imperative to find another source and fact check - do not just assume they have done their job, because it rarely is the case.  Remember, we report about FACTS - not necessarily about other people's opinions on the matter.  It's best that those facts are represented among different sources to indicate they are true. --Mrmiscellanious 10:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Law
I'm curious as to the law behind this. Is it a crime to distribute adult pornography to adults if it contains, say, urination or SM? (A federal crime? A state crime in which states?) I also understand that "normal" pornography (say, heterosexual vaginal sex) is not criminalized. What are the criteria for judging what's appropriate or inappropriate porn? Does it leave much to the appreciation of the court?

All this would make the story much more interesting, especially with respect to people who don't know the intricacies of US law (i.e. the vast majority of non-US readers, and probably also a great many in the US). Submarine 07:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

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WinMX shut down following RIAA requests

September 23, 2005

The network run by the program, as well as the WinMX homepage, has become the first casualty of a  (RIAA) crackdown on file-sharing programs.

In mid-September, the RIAA sent Frontcode Technologies a letter asking them to implement filters to make it impossible for users to download copyrighted material from their site, or shut down. Frontcode seems to have shut down the network for now.

Earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that maintainers of a network can be held responsible to the content shared on networks.

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Talk:FDA recalls foreign meat used in aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina

It is breaking news. If people don't know about it, people might not get fed, or Britian might not get its MREs back. Also, the Mirror said it was an "exclusive" so we have little choice until another news agency pick it up in a day or so.

How do I do one of those cute little "Wikipedia has an article on BSE" boxes?

This article does not have enough sources. The USDA recently "denied the report" according to the Washington Post. Problem is, WaPo does not get into exactly what was denied in the Mirror report, i.e. are they still holding the MREs but have no current plans to incinerate them? This needs a rewrite and needs clarity. As it stands it is simply rehashing the Mirror exclusive, some of which, according to the USDA is a complete lie. I think this is also a good example of "when not to report something from tabloids as if it was true." That's why I added "According to the Daily Mirror" at the top, but since this WikiNews article is almost a rewrite of theirs, this would have to be added everywhere and it's just too much to put in considering the way it is written.--24.57.157.81 11:56, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Moved art. back to develop
I agree with the questioning of the article, it copies too much of the Mirror's sensationalist reporting. There may well be a story here, and it's early in the day (for those in the US). Let some possible US sources get to reading the gutter press (which the Mirror is part of) and do their investigation of the story. The article will still be listed on the main page, but not in such a prominent position. --Brianmc 12:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

This sounds quite trivial to fix once anyone produces a reference to the USDA denial. My guess would be that: yes food aid was recalled over BSE regulations. yes, aid is being kept at said inseneration plant. yes, aid workers said all those things. But no, the aid is not going to be incenerated, its only there because the FDA doesn't have other places to put it. It will either be returned to Britain or distributed. It should be easy to adjust the current article, and reform the title, once we can see the USDA denial in print. - Nyarlathotep 13:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S. If anyone can find any source, a good follow up story could cover any interactions FDA/USDA officials have had with the meat packing industry over this aid. It would be a fair typical "paranoid/evil" lobbyist maneuver to object to the aid over irrational fears that it would weaken their governmental protections against competition from foreign meat. It would make a nice story if the meat lobby was stupid enough to both speak to the USDA about it and not cover their tracks properly.


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Very ironic spelling catch 205.128.13.188! Just wonderful!


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Arizona applies ban on autodialers to mobile phone spam

September 21, 2005

On Tuesday an Arizona appellate court ruled that the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, a federal law that bans using autodialers to call mobile phones or pagers, also applies to text messages sent to mobile phones.

The three-judge Court of Appeals panel upheld the trial judge’s ruling in favour of Rodney L. Joffe. He sued Acacia Mortgage Corp. in 2001, for $55,000 in damages for harassment.

Acacia used a web-based system to send the text messages, which translates the users phone number into an e-mail address. Acacia argued that the company was not making calls to mobile phones, but rather sending e-mails. "Even though Acacia used an attenuated method to dial a cell phone telephone number, it nevertheless did so," wrote Judge Patricia K. Norris.


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Ha ha. Continue to vandalise, and the joke will be on you. -- user:zanimum

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South African typhoid outbreak protest dispersed with rubber bullets

September 22, 2005

In the wake of an outbreak of typhoid-related illnesses in Delmas, north-east South Africa, a protest that forced local council members to lock themselves indoors has been broken up by police.

Rubber bullets were used in an effort to disperse the crowd which was calling for the town's council to resign over the failure to provide adequate and safe services. Authorities report that 4 people are have died from typhoid and over 526 have been stricken since August 22. However, a report by the Treatment Action Campaign (Tac) states that 49 have died. A local undertaker was quoted as saying that burials have increased since the outbreak and that he buried 14 people on the weekend of 17 September alone.

An outbreak of the current magnitude suggests waterborne spread, although health authorities deny finding Salmonella typhi (the causative agent of typhoid fever) in the town's drinking water. Sanitation services in Delmas, only 70 km from Johannesburg, are primitive. In many areas human waste is transported in open buckets and it is believed this may have contaminated the water supply.


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Talk:Florida Keys evacuated in preparation for Rita

Looks good, but the comment that it's the largest increase in crude oil prices in history is misleading. It's only the largest dollar increase, not the largest percentage increase, which is what really matters. StuRat 23:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

November 30, at 23:59?
Just wondering if it might be more meaningful to say that the hurricane season is in full swing, and is expected to end in late November rather than the hurricane season is in full swing, ending on November 30? While i'm aware that there are cultural definitions of seasons (e.g. summer starts 1 June in the Northern hemisphere in several countries), the scientific reality is much more fuzzy. A fishing season might end on a particular date, because that's a legal definition of when people are authorised to fish. But there's not much point legislating on when hurricanes are allowed to occur... And i can't imagine any serious weather person claiming that the last hurricane in the season will necessarily happen on 30 November, rather than on 27 November, or 2 December... Boud 01:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The "hurricane season" is defined as a specific range of dates. Hurricanes can occur outside the hurricane season, of course.  If that happens on a regular basis, perhaps due to global warming, then they should redefine the length of the season.  This is the same as winter storms sometimes occuring in spring or fall. StuRat 17:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The storm isn't category 2 it's a 5... --24.22.126.45 02:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Time for a new article
Rather than continuing to modify this article as Rita makes land in Texas, I think this article should only be used as a link, and a new article written about the new landfall. That way we can preserve the original Florida story in our archives. StuRat 17:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


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Jet Blue airliner lands with broken nose gear

September 21, 2005

JetBlue Flight 292, en route to New York's JFK Airport from Burbank, California, encountered nose gear malfunctions shortly after takeoff. It safely landed three hours later at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) with no apparent injuries.

The pilots first realized something was wrong when the landing gear failed to retract; television footage showed that the plane's front wheels were pointing sideways, perpendicular to the plane's body. The plane was diverted to Long Beach Airport, where it tried and failed to land, and then on to LAX, which has better emergency facilities. The aircraft circled near the airport for several hours to burn fuel; the Airbus A320 aircraft is not designed to dump fuel.

Commentators predicted that the nose gear would either snap off, immediately twist to parallel upon touch down, or withstand the friction from the landing while remaining at a 90 degree angle.

At approximately 6:19PM local time, almost three hours after takeoff, the aircraft successfully managed to touch down. The pilot landed the plane first on its two rear wheels, keeping its nose in the air as long as possible until it slowed enough that the nose could be safely lowered. The front tires remained at a 90 degree angle and were incinerated through the friction. A cloud of white smoke and sparks burst out from behind the nose gear as the plane traveled down the runway. As the airplane finally stopped, the pilot had managed to keep the plane no more than 6 inches from the runway's centerline. Officials were prepared with a brigade of fire engines as well as fire retardant foam in case the front wheel ignited. The plane was evacuated a few minutes later.

Reports indicate that the pilots acted in a "calm and professional manner."

JetBlue flight 292 was in a unique situation as each seat in the plane was equipped with live TV through DirecTV. Several of the stations carried on the LiveTV system had cameras trained on the plane and were monitoring the situation. It has been established that the televisions were operating as the plane circled the airfield, though there are conflicting reports on whether or not the televisions were in operation during the landing. For a time, passengers on board were able to watch their own airplane circle the airfield in a precarious situation.

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There's no sources listed so I took out the and put  Bawolff 00:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry.. This was my first post.

Put more source info in

This is real. Watching live ABC coverage. Added ABC link. --Dweekly 00:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me was doing the same thing during my last 3 edits. Watching the landing and recording results.  Veritos 16:22, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ended up being a very nice article. Do you think It should be in category:Disasters and accidents since it almost was a disaster, but no one got hurt? Bawolff 22:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Can someone get information on the nose wheel of the A320? I'm just wondering if it turns to the side when it retracts. That could explain how it came to be turned like it was. Imroy 22:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Why can't I find the name of the captains anywhere? They should definitely be mentioned.

The nose gear does NOT turn during retraction. A previous "I think America West" Airbus A320 did the same thing a few years ago. It was determined that a hydraulic o-ring failed on one side hydraulic cylinder causing all the hydraulic pressure to divert to one side only. "Thus locking the wheel in one direction." A service bulletin was issued to replace the o-rings with a new and improved design. The Jet Blue A320 is less than 6 months old and should have been built with the new design o-rings. "A side note: The airplane is new enough that all repairs should be covered at Airbus' expense."

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