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Hi. Misou - (talk) 16:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

YouTube accounts of Scientology critics suspended
This article is 5 days old, so comments related to opinions about the article should go on the "opinions" page. I moved your comment there. Also, new comments typically go at the bottom of the page. Cirt - (talk) 16:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said. Go this weeks paycheck yet? Misou - (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please avoid comments like the above against other contributors; they're patently offensive. Ral315 (talk) 05:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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King of Spain tells Hugo Chavez to 'shut up' during summit

November 12, 2007

During a summit of the Latin American nations in Chile on Saturday, November 10, the King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, told the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez to "shut up." The remarks quickly put an end to the meeting.

"Why don't you shut up?" said King Juan Carlos I, interrupting a speech by Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero of Spain who was condemning words by Chávez who called the country's former prime minister, José María Aznar, a "fascist." The King was waving a finger at Chávez.

"I want to express to you President Hugo Chávez that in a forum where there are democratic governments ... one of the essential principles is respect. You can disagree radically, without being disrespectful," said Zapatero before the King told Chávez to shut up.

Chávez quickly issued a statement on Sunday saying "Mr. King, did you know about the coup d'etat against Venezuela, against the democratic, legitimate government of Venezuela in 2002? It's very hard to imagine the Spanish ambassador would have been at the presidential palace supporting the coup plotters without authorization from his majesty."

Chávez believes and has publicly accused the United States of trying to take him out of power in a coup back in 2002. When protests broke out on April 13 of that year when Chávez was restored to power, Spanish officials met with U.S. officials just hours before.

Despite the harsh use of words between the two nations, Chávez says that he "hopes this will not damage relations" between them, but that also states "we are not going to shut up."


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Hi, I strongly suggest you look at our neutral point of view policy. Your recent edits have not been in compliance with that policy. JoshuaZ 01:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Malaysian car maker unveils 'Islamic car'

This is incredibly entertaining news from Proton, they've never failed in creating jokes while speaking seriously. This again proves Proton strength in car assessories industry. What a pity for their tax payers to fund such program.

Peng-It

you've gotta love advertising...

Why even bother with Headscarf Holders?
I thought Muslim Women weren't allowed to drive in those countries? ;) 128.61.19.139 15:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Islamic Car?
Hmm, what design features would make a car uniquely islamic? Minarets?

Possible Islamic Car features
When we talk about an Islamic car, it doesn't mean that the car should look like a mosque. What they really mean is to make cars to have convenient features for Muslims, including prayer time reminder, a Qibla direction compass, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.26.52.2 (talk) 12:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC). But then it would be just a name sake Islamic car since all these accessories and facilities could be easily made available into any Christian or Jew or Hindu car. Subject is not so loud as it sounds like. It doesn't mean that the car is only applicable to Muslim people. PROTON is comply to international standard and concurrent to Malcom Bricklin, USA standard for safety and legastative requirement as well as it is not against Islamic rules and regulation. The car is proven as high quality and for example the NEO PROTON LOTUS special edition had become World Rally Championship in 2010. The taste of this exicement driving machine is for all.

Whoa
I'm shocked and impressed that no-one's piped in with a suicide bomber jibe. At the same time, I'm a little disappointed, because I really wanted to feel morally superior for a minute there. 82.22.68.162 15:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing to be proud of, they are not making a car for the physically challenged this is indeed another step of the so called saviors of Islam towards getting aloof from the rest of the world. This venture also aims at merchandising Islam. Would there be any relief for a secular Muslim from these rabble rousers in disguise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhu Balan (talk • contribs) 12:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

To say is one thing. To do it is another. I wouldn't pin my hopes on the prospect of the car even rolling off the assembly line because some radical figure(s) could end up condemning the crap out of it for straying away from the true purpose of the religion or serving as a cheap ploy to earn an extra buck from the devout. Besides, will a kaffir be able to buy one of these cars? What will stop them from trashing it upon purchase and posting the video on YouTube? This will be very interesting. - 60.50.60.220 02:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

nice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.190.234 (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


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Study: kidney damage increasing, patients remain unaware

November 12, 2007

New research based on data gathered on approximately 28,000 individuals over a 16-year period indicates that even as more people in the U.S. are acquiring chronic kidney disease, the vast majority of those who are in the early and middle stages of its progression -- when it is most treatable -- have no idea their kidneys are weak or damaged until failure is imminent.

Only 42 percent of study subjects who had Stage 4 kidney disease were aware of it, according to an analysis of data from two National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys, conducted by researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston and Cleveland Clinic Foundation, and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The percentage of people with stage 1 through 4 disease increased from 10.0% in the period 1988-1994 to 13.1% in 1999-2004, mostly due to an increase in diabetes and high blood pressure rates. Stage 5 is kidney failure, when dialysis or organ transplant are the only options.

Screening of persons at risk -- those with diabetes, high blood pressure or a family history of kidney problems -- is of utmost importance, said Andrew S. Narva, MD, FACP, director of the NIH's National Kidney Disease Education Program.

Much can be done to prevent kidney failure if the disease is caught early enough. For example, careful attention to monitoring blood glucose levels, keeping blood pressure under control, and certain prescription medications can be beneficial, according to the NKDEP. Unfortunately, the most commonly performed blood test to look at kidney function, the creatinine level, has limited precision and needs to be interpreted carefully.

The 13 percent estimate means that some 26 million Americans are thought to have kidney disease, and since risk factors like high blood pressure and diabetes are still increasing, the study raises concerns about future trends of chronic kidney disease and complications. People with kidney disease are at greater risk of hypertension, heart attacks and strokes. They are also more vulnerable to anemia, bone disease and malnutrition.


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I deleted "Rockdocker" as Wikinews is a news source. You might want to try Wiktionary instead. Happy editing,  —Fellow Wiki  Newsie 03:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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User:FellowWikiNews/Tagline

The page is for modifying the current "happy" Wikinews moto: From Wikinews, the free news source you can write! (mediawiki:tagline)

We are a professional news source, the current theme does not say that. Therefore, we need to add some suggestions on a possible new moto for Wikinews that is both NPOV and highlights our purpose, To present up-to-date, relevant, newsworthy and entertaining content without bias.

 * Is this something we should be discussing with other langs? Bawolff ☺☻ 06:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, we are not professional. If so, where's my check? --SVTCobra 20:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions
Please add them below.
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 * From Wikinews, the only freely-licensed news source without the opinions
 * From Wikinews, the free news source with a neutral focus
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 * Wikinews, the CC-BY-2.5 news source that you can write (quite catchy --SVTCobra 20:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC))
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US denies plans for attack on Iran amid report of hunt for evidence against Iran

November 13, 2007 A top US commander said yesterday that the United States is not planning a preemptive attack on Iran despite increasing rhetoric from Washington, D.C. The United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also denied that an attack was imminent, stating that there is no Congressional authorization for military action against Iran.

The denials came as The Observer ran a report saying that US personnel involved in interrogating insurgents in Iraq are under "huge" pressure to find evidence against Iran. It quoted Micah Brose, a privately contracted interrogator working for the US military there, as saying that information on Iran is "gold".

"They push a lot for us to establish a link with Iran", Brose claimed in the interview, adding that "it feels a lot like, if you get something and Iran's not involved, it's a let down." He further claimed that people have said to him that "they're really pushing the Iran thing." Brose denied being asked to manufacture evidence, but stated that "if a detainee wants to tell me what I want to hear so he can get out of jail ... you know what I'm saying."

The US has in the past been accused of using exaggerated and fabricated evidence to build its case against Iraq prior to the war.

The article by the British based newspaper said most military intelligence officers refused to comment but that one said "The message is, 'Got to find a link with Iran, got to find a link with Iran.' It's sickening." On Monday, Admiral William J. Fallon, the commanding officer of United States Central Command which is responsible for the Middle East, East Africa and Central Asia, speaking in Financial Times, said that a strike against Iran is "not in the offing."

"None of this is helped by the continuing stories that just keep going around and around and around that any day now there will be another war which is just not where we want to go," Fallon continued. "Getting Iranian behavior to change and finding ways to get them to come to their senses and do that is the real objective. Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book." Despite saying this, he refused to rule out a strike against Iran in the future. Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was on ABC's This Week on Sunday, saying that a Senate resolution designating Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization does not authorize military action.

"There is nothing in this particular resolution that would suggest that from our point of view. And, clearly, the president has also made very clear that he's on a diplomatic path where Iran comes into focus," Rice said.

"This resolution is saying that there needs to be strong measures taken against Iran, which we have definitely done," Rice continued. "And if the Iranians suspend their enrichment and reprocessing, I'm prepared to meet my counterpart anyplace, anytime, anywhere. So the question isn't why will we not talk to Tehran. The question is, why will Tehran not talk to us?" Senator Hillary Clinton, who is running for President, voted for the resolution. She has said that the resolution could not be used to justify war, but rather it seeks to escalate diplomatic efforts. "We wish to emphasize that no congressional authority exists for unilateral military action against Iran," she said in an open letter on November 1, 2007. Last week, former Foreign Minister of Germany, Joschka Fischer said that he was worried that the upcoming US Presidential election could heighten tensions between the US and Iran. He found particularly worrisome a statement by Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani in October that "If I am President of the United States, I guarantee you, we will never find out what they will do if they get nuclear weapons, because they are not going to get a nuclear weapon ... the military option is not off the table."


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Comments:King of Spain tells Hugo Chavez to 'shut up' during summit

Look at the facts...
According to Wikipedia, José María Aznar started out as a falangist, and joined the People's Alliance, the party of Franco supporters following his death, and went on to be a member of its successor policy. Given that Franco is often called a fascist, it looks like Hugo can't be too far off the mark.

The difference between Bush and Chavez is that the multitudes admire Bush for lying to them, and they hate Chavez for telling them the truth. 70.15.116.59 16:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Right... Spacehusky 23:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The president v the king
It was time for someone to tell him that, but at the same time the man who said this is no better. Because if we want to take out and show the history of this king and of the past 500 years who is he to say anything to a ligaly elected president.
 * 1) REDIRECTRedirected to

A complete lack of respect
Not only did the king showed a lack of respect for dissenting views, it emphasised his complete ignorance on his usage of Spanish language. Using the Castilian Spanish informal addressing "te" instead of "se" was a way to alienate a whole continent, where "usted" and not "tú" is the only acceptable form in any kind of situation.

Yes, I'm sure the king of Spain knows nothing about the Spanish language. You hit the nail right on the head!

Chavez
I'd like to believe in Chavez, but you gota have *some* tact, or eventually your behavior will negatively impact international relations. Do be a George Bush.

Saying shutup is disrepectful, he is hypocritical.

I just thought it was funny
I got a laugh out of this exchange, and I'm not particularly anti- or pro-Chavez. I just think it's funny when one leader tells another to shut up. --David Shankbone 04:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's a monarch!
I wish more of that chavez, achmadinijad , abbas etc gang would get such responses , honestly.

The monarch Response
I've heard some responses that Juan-Carlos is in no position to say such a thing, not being elected. Just remember, he's the one who brought back democracy to Spain. Fephisto 04:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is misleading. I think it needs to state clearly that Chavez told the speaker to first shut up, then Juan Carlos told Chavez to shut up.It is not clear and needs to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.150.190.2 (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


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Talk:US denies plans for attack on Iran amid report of hunt for evidence against Iran

Single Source Story
This article doesn't quite conform to the recommendations as stated in the Writing An Article guide in that only a single primary source is quoted. The reason for this is that this is an Observer investigation, and it hasn't been picked up by other news agencies at all. A search on Google News at the time of writing using the search terms "interrogator Iran" for the past 3 days turns up only the Observer and Press TV articles, which also merely quoted The Observer as a source. The Press TV article appears to be sourced from three mysterious agencies, "CS", "HGH" and "RE", whoever they are. Any help on who these sources are would be appreciated, as then I can indicate them appropriately. Press TV is an Iranian government funded cable TV station, so presumably these agencies are Iranian and that could be why it is difficult to find any information about them. Dox96 09:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the Press TV is basically just a shortened version of the Observer story, the picture and entire paragraphs are copied from the Observer. --SVTCobra 11:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
How unreasonable! Someone anonymous added the "cleanup" tag giving no reason whatsoever. Well I have removed it again. And I have to say if you don't want your cleanup tags simply removed, then try a little discussion. I will be complaining about this. Dox96 22:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It does need work
The single source concerns are real however, also, it needs some help in other areas, I will begin to work on it. --SVTCobra 22:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to say that I am unimpressed with the way this issue has been handled. At first you agreed with me in the way that I handled the story. Then, after I complain about an anonymous "cleanup" tag being added, suddenly you find fault with it and make major edits to it. Looking at your work so far, it appears that you have gotten around the single source problem by adding unrelated information surrounding the issue. My original article was about the fact that interrogators have complained about what they regarded as unreasonable pressure to find evidence on Iran when interrogating prisoners. This is not related to the story about the US denying that they are about to attack Iran. I feel that if you really need to add unrelated US propaganda to "balance" the story (as I saw in one of your edit notes), you can create a new article separate from this one.

I am particularly unhappy with the "cleanup" tag being on the article for 8 hours while I was asleep, effectively meaning that European visitors would have missed the article. News only lasts 24 hours before it becomes fish-and-chips wrapping. This is an important article precisely because it has not been widely publicised, despite being highly relevant to an extremely important international issue.

This is my first Wikinews article. Of course I don't expect it to be perfect and I welcome constructive discussion about how it might be improved. But my major motivation for even bothering to submit it was because, as I said earlier, I felt it was important and not publicised enough. I appreciate that the issue might be a little controversial, however I don't expect that I have to spend 24 hours being awake merely to defend my article from being simply removed, or having major edits adding unrelated US propaganda. It has taken a considerable amount of my time to do this, and guess what, I have to work and sleep just like everyone else. Wikinews hasn't exactly taken off like Wikipedia. I suspect that pissing off contributors like this ain't gunna help the cause. Dox96 00:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Alright, then, if you want me to restore your article as was, I will. If you think that US denying reports of an attack on the very same day as the Observer story is "unrelated" I am surprised. If you think that Joschka Fischer is spewing US propaghanda, I am stunned. --SVTCobra 00:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agreed with you that it was a problem that the article was single source. I saw that the article was started by an anonymous IP and thought you had raised concerns about it and inserted the stuff about not being picked up by major wires as you thought the story wasn't neutral. Besides, I am not the only one here and I can't be responsible for the story being left unattended. I thought I was doing you a favor by saving a story that could well be thought of as being in violation of NPOV. --SVTCobra 00:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have asked a non-US editor/admin to look at this and see if my edits were unreasonable. If either of you say so, I will happily extricate my edits. Well, I guess you already did, but you confirm that you want that, or the other editor sees a problem, then I will. --SVTCobra 01:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Ahh I see where I misunderstood you now. Actually, I was the original author, and I was basically trying to offer reasons at the top of this page where I felt that I veered from the writing guidelines, to defend what I did.  I made a mistake creating the article anonymously - sorry about the newbie mistake.  That's why I corrected myself by creating my user handle.  But I can see how that must have created confusion as to who was doing what edits and for what reason.

 * However, I stand by my original comments regarding the adding of unrelated content. I do not feel that the US commander was responding to the Observer article - it got no coverage elsewhere.  He was responding to escalated coverage throughout the worldwide media in the past week regarding speculation of an attack.  I also didn't feel that the Observer article was implying that the US was going to attack Iran in the immediate future, just that they seemed to be constructing a "case" for it using unreliable intelligence gathering methods.  I think the first paragraph now reads extremely awkwardly, trying to piece together two unrelated facts.  I also think it's now highly unbalanced, with 3 quotes (and photographs) of senior government figures denying an imminent attack, and one unrelated quote from Fischer.  I still think the "US denies plans of attack" story should be a separate article.  I have more to say, but I have to get back to work now :-/ Dox96 01:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Funny, I fixed that "responding" sentence even before I read this. We can't use the Observer's photos of Brose and I'm afraid no free ones are available. But I will gladly look for recent comments by Ahmadinejad to rebalance, or I could seperate. --SVTCobra 01:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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This article had its origins in the article US interrogators complain of "sickening" pressure for evidence on Iran. I expanded on it a great deal, offering different viewpoints and renamed it. The original contributor felt that their work should stand alone. After a few back-and-forths, I separated the two, restoring the original article separately. A lot of the above discussion refers to the original article and what happened when I added my work. Please add your thoughts here if they pertain to editorial concerns and here if you have opinions on the story. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

More work
OK, now that the articles have been separated out, I have some issues with your work here SVTCobra :-) I really think that this article is seriously imbalanced in favour of the US.  For example, the Admiral was trying to tone down talk of a US attack, but at the same time refused to rule one out, as mentioned in the FT article, but not here.  Furthermore, Rice's comment "Why won't Tehran talk" is seriously mischievous.  She knows very well that the Iranians want to talk, and she even said earlier that she had a condition - that Tehran suspend enrichment.  Somehow that doesn't seem to correlate with  wanting to talk "anytime".  Given that Iran doesn't have any pre-conditions to talks, clearly they are ready to talk "anytime", but not her.  I don't have any evidence backing this up as yet, but when I do, I'll add it.  I'm also changing some sentences to improve flow. Dox96 08:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've found that source (contradicting Rice's position). Noam Chomsky, a political commentator among other things, in "What we say goes", regards the US as being the party refusing negotiation (not Iran). He says on page 31, "the US is willing to 'negotiate' only if Iran concedes the result of the negotiations (suspension of uranium enrichment) before the negotiations begin ... and with a gun pointed at their heads, because we won't withdraw the threats (of attack) against Tehran ... which are a violation of the UN Charter. In other words, the United States is refusing to negotiate". Chomsky also points out that Iran has been offering negotiations with the US on all outstanding issues, and has been since 2003. Now whether or not you agree with Chomsky's analysis, you would have to agree that simply quoting Rice like that without offering alternate views is simply echoing propaganda. I will need help in adding this fact to the article, because I don't see how I could do it without seriously upsetting the flow, and changing the topic mid-article. Perhaps it would be better to delete Rice's comments regarding negotiations, because they don't fit in with the original issue anyway, and it really wouldn't hurt the thrust of the article. Given that there are three US voices, it probably wouldn't hurt to get rid of her altogether. Clinton says most of what Rice says anyway. Dox96 10:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


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Dox, I have extricated and restored your article from the work that I did. Although, I did not publish, I marked it 'Ready' for the immediate attention of other editors. You may persue your problem of the single source with them. I am sorry that we did not find common ground here, and I hope that this does not dissuade you from contributing to Wikinews.--SVTCobra 04:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Iran/Observer article
Hi SVTCobra, thanks for separating the articles out. I guess the orginal article can be re-dated to prevent the "fish-and-chips-wrapping" problem of it becoming stale. Actually, I do appreciate you looking at and contributing to my work, even if I don't agree with you. I can see that there were misunderstandings between us which caused the original friction. That anonymous "cleanup" tag really annoyed me. I'm sorry if you were offended by what I said (you seemed quite taken aback by my description of "propaganda"), but I really do have strong feelings about what constitutes "balance" and good journalism. For example, I do not think that taking comments from one side and comments from the other side constitutes "balance". Both sides could be lying through their teeth (and frankly, this is frequently the case). These cases require more journalism to find some independent analysis of the situation. I really don't think that my article was originally unbalanced. Dox96 04:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, your article isn't inherently imbalanced. Technically you did your part in balancing the article with a lot precautionary statements about the reliability of the sources. From my point of view, that shows a pre-disposition toward a source, for better or worse. It would be like basing an article on a press release from a politician and then saying "Well, no one takes them seriously." (extreme case, for illustration)

 * The way I like to keep my articles neutral is to gather a bunch of sources, and use direct quotes from the players involved. Of course, I could pick and choose, and sometimes you have to because those talking heads just keep talking, but I try to pick what they are trying to say. If you look at my articles, they are filled with direct quotes. No one has ever commented on that, so I don't know if they notice, but I don't editorialize and I try not to play favorites. I hope to see you again here on Wikinews. --SVTCobra 05:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but Let me illustrate the problem with "single-source" articles
About the Huliq comment, forgive me, yes, I did know that they don't mirror every story. They do filter by some standard, be it MSM equivalents or whatever. There is probably a person behind it, not a computer.

About the newsroom I am sorry that no other editors took an interest in your story, frankly it saddens me that it stood there in the Newsroom, marked as 'ready', and no one fixed a comma, had objections or even published it. That ought not be. 'Ready' is supposed to be at the top of actionable events here.

Single source I do have a problem with single-source articles, which you probably noticed from our interactions. To understand why I take such a staunch view take a look at the mess we have with this article Chinese submarine "embarrasses" U.S. Navy, which did manage to get published. You can follow what is at the article and its talk page, but also look at Admin discussion for the same. It too, was based on a single source. In it you will see that we are people too. --SVTCobra 03:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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Large fire on London 2012 Olympics site

November 12, 2007 A huge fire was reported in Hackney Wick eastern London, England, on part of the 2012 Olympic Games site scheduled to be the location of the handball courts.

Flames are visible from Canary Wharf and the smoke plume is visible across the whole of the City of London. The fire, at a disused single-storey warehouse in Waterden Road, Stratford, is said to have been reported around 12:05 GMT. The Associated Press reports say that a "large explosion" preceded the fire; eyewitnesses do not confirm this, though there is flammable material on the site. David Jones of East London Bus company states that the fire started at a disused warehouse adjacent to their Waterden Road depot.

Eight fire appliances and 40 fire-fighters were initially deployed. The winds carried the smoke over London and reports suggested that the plume of smoke was visible from Rochester, Kent.

By 13:15 GMT the London Fire Brigade reported that there were 15 appliances and around 75 firefighters, and the fire was not yet under control.

Police say they have no evidence of a terrorist attack at this time.

Charles Buchanan of London City Airport told BBC News that the airport was still operational but had closed one runway whose flight path crosses the smoke plume, though services are unaffected. A short stretch of railway close to Hackney Wick was temporarily closed but suffered no damage.

London Ambulance Service confirms that there are no known casualties and their emergency response team has been stood down, though their hazardous area team remains on site. Police are holding back large crowds of bystanders.

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I don't know how to nuke this story, but it can go away because it was cross-posted with another story n the same topic and I've moved all the info over there.
 * I've redirected it - that'll do.  Daniel  13:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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Chunichi Dragons win the 2007 Konami Cup

November 12, 2007

In the final of the Konami Cup 2007, Chunichi Dragons battled SK Wyverns again, many Japanese spectators hoped for Dragons to take revenge on Wyverns and win the championship. This was really a intensive match with starting pitchers George Kenneth Rayborn from SK versus Daisuke Yamai.

Even though Byung-kyu Lee hit a 2 runs HR to expand the difference by the 5-2 leading. But Jin-young Lee also hit a 2 runs HR to tie the score with 5-5 at the bottom of 8th.

The key innings took place at the 9th inning, Hirokazu Ibata (Dragons) hit a key run back to make their team lead with 6-5. Finally, the relief pitcher Hitoki Iwase successfully shut down SK's offense and tied the score to the end to win the champion.

With the winning hit at this game, and 4 hits with 7 RBIs in the Konami Cup Asia Series 2007, Hirokazu Ibata was finally chosen to be the MVP.

After this game, Chunichi Dragons coach Hiromitsu Ochiai remarked: "Even though we ever lose to SK Wyverns, but participants in this year proved their actual strength more than last year. In this game, after we led with 6-5, Hitoki Iwase told me he want to pitch at the bottom of 9th inning, then I accepted, he promised his wish and finally helped us win the champion. I'll not forget the contributions by Ibata and Iwase."


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Large fire on London 2012 Olympics Games site
Hi Guy, nice of you to join us here. A word, if there is any original reporting in the article it should be tagged with and a note on the article talk page should explain what original reporting occurred. JoshuaZ 15:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * It was second-hand, relayed from friends at Canada Square, and taken from online reporting on News 24 - I think I attributed most of it. JzG 12:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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25 divisions in Taiwan echoed "2007 Taiwan Walking Day"

November 12, 2007 "A healthy life starts from Walking." With this quote advertised on TV commercials in Taiwan, 25 divisions in Taiwan simultaneously held the walking events of "Taiwan Walking Day" yesterday. This recreational activity by (SAC) and  of Executive Yuan R.O.C. is the 2nd national event after the "Taiwan National Bicycle Day" promoted by SAC on May 5 this year. In the main arena of the Taipei Municipal, with the conjunction of "2007 Taiwan Walking Festival" by Republic of China Alpine Association held at Saturday (Nov. 10), this national event in Taipei attracted more than 5 thousand people including VIPs from "2007 Master Forum on Walking in Taiwan", worldwide walking and mountaineering professionals, and local public figures.

"Walking is a good recreation sport for health, to promote good conceptions on health, we (MOH) will present several books for the participants to make them manage their health well." Sheng-mao Ho (Ministry of Health) told the media. By the way, to promote advantages of recreation sports and health improvement, Jongher Yang (Commissioner of SAC) hopes the public will change the greeting from "Have you eaten yet?" to "Have you done sports yet?".

During the national event, the Police Radio System in Taiwan had a live radio SNG to some participated divisions, and some magistrate hoped the public would do more recreational sports to fullfil the goal of "Taiwan Walking Day".

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I've participated this events in Taipei, and wrote with I know in Taipei's event. Brock contact... 13:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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2007 Baseball World Cup: Highlights from Day 4 to Day 6

November 12, 2007 Australia and Cuba have qualified for the Quarter Final of the 2007 Baseball World Cup. There was only one game taking place today between Chinese Taipei and Italy in Tianmu Baseball Stadium. After six days of play, the competition will most certainly heat up in next 48 hours with every team fiercely vying to qualify for the Quarter Final which takes place Friday, November 15.

Day 4: Australia set records in single game
It was a merciless massacre as Australia mercy-ruled Thailand with a shellacking of 26-1, echoing the Rangers' 30-3 rout of the Orioles' this August. In addition to the remarkable disparity in runs, Australia also singlehandedly set four BWC records:
 * Most runs in a game: 26
 * Largest run differential in a game: 25
 * Most runs in an inning: 12 in the top of 3rd.
 * Most hits in a game: 30

Yet this rout only featured one home run, a 2-run shot by the Australian infielder Glenn Williams.

Group A

 * South Africa 3-13A Mexico
 * Chinese Taipei 8-4 Spain
 * Panama 6-0 Italy
 * Japan 1-5 USA

Group B

 * Netherlands 7-4 Venezuela
 * Germany 0-10A Canada
 * South Korea 2-7 Cuba

Cuba vs Venezuela
If Cuba can defeat Venezuela, they can not only keep their winning streak intact but also qualify for the Quarter Final of the 2007 BWC. And they did it in style as starter Yadel Marti almost had a perfect game if it were not for Lino Connell's (Venezuela) single in the bottom of 7th. Cuba eventually ended the game early with a score of 10-0.

Australia wins thriller against S Korea
This game developed into a pitching duel as both sides only managed to score one run going into the 9th. Yet the Aussies took care of business in the bottom half when infielder Ben Risinger belted a walk-off hit as Australia beat S Korea, 2-1.

Group A

 * Italy 8-0 South Africa
 * Mexico 9-5 Chinese Taipei
 * USA 12A-2 Spain
 * Panama 2-6 Japan

Group B

 * Canada 7-1 Netherlands
 * Thailand 0-2 Germany

Day 6: Host edges Italy in controversy
This pitching duel took place between James Anthony Fiore, formerly of the La New Bears, and En-yu Lin, an ex-Macoto Cobra. They completely shut down their opponent's offense as two teams were held scoreless for the first 8 innings.

Two disputed calls came in the 9th. In the top of the inning, the Italian baserunner appeared to beat the throw at the 3rd base by the Chinese Taipei right fielder, but the umpire from S Korea stll called him out. The other came in the bottom half. With 2 outs, Chih-sheng Lin seemed to have swung the bat, yet the 1st base umpire from Japan called no swing. This controversial call eventually determined the outcome of the game as Lin won the game, 1-0, with a walk-off hit. Even though Chinese Taipei won this game, many spectators and internet users from Taiwan heavily criticized Chinese Taipei and left harsh comments on the official websites such as "What a SHAME Taiwanese!", casting a shadow of mistrust upon this questionably called game.

Group A

 * South Africa vs USA
 * Japan vs Italy
 * Spain vs Mexico
 * Chinese Taipei vs Panama

Group B

 * Cuba vs Thailand
 * Germany vs Australia
 * Venezuela vs Canada
 * Netherlands vs South Korea


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Possibly the best thing to happen to him was the fact tht he killed himself. He can't face the justice now.


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FellowWikiNews, if you revert edits because one can't do "edits to articles over 24 hours old" then please let me in why you reverted only my edits and not the others ones done after the article was created on 5 November 2007? Misou 17:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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Oil spill near Black Sea as storm sinks three ships

November 12, 2007 A fierce storm on Sunday resulted in massive 18-foot waves, which split a Russian in two and sank two Russian  nearby. The tanker at least 560,000 gallons of fuel into a strait which leads to the, and officials say it may take years to clean up. The tankers sank in the, which links the Black Sea and the in the northeast. The two ships were carrying a total of around 7,150 tons of, according to Sergei Petrov, Russia's regional spokesperson.

The tanker was carrying nearly 1.3 million of, and was stranded several miles from shore. Emergency workers were prevented from collecting the spilled oil immediately due to stormy weather; the head of the state environmental safety watchdog Rosprorodnadzor, Oleg Mitvol, said "there is serious concern that the spill will continue". Workers eventually managed to begin work on cleaning up the spill, an effort which may be long-term. Tar-like sands laden with oil and seaweed were piled on the shore, while oil-covered birds in slick-covered water tried to flap their wings. Regional coast guard officer Anatoly Yanhuck said once weather improves they will begin pumping oil from the tanker, then tow the ship to port.

Two fuel-loaded barges and Turkish freighter Ziya Kos also ran aground in the area, but there was no further environmental damage, said Petrov. Ten ships altogether were sunk or run aground in the area of the Black Sea near the Straight of Kerch and the Straight itself; a Russian freighter carrying metal was also reported as having sunk near the port of on Ukraine's. One of the sulfur-carrying freighters reported three crew members as drowned, and five more as missing, while two members of the sunk freighter carrying metal were reported as drowned and another remains missing. The oil tanker's 13 crew members were all rescued safely, and all members of the second freighter were also reported as safe.

Captains had been warned Saturday morning of the stormy conditions, regional prosecutor Maxim Stepanenko told Russia's Vesti 24. The oil tanker was not built to withstand fierce storms, having been designed to transport oil on rivers during times, he said.

Chemist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's of response and restoration, Jim Farr said the  spill from the two freighters wouldn't create a "hazardous situation", a statement backed up by Alexei Zhukovin, expert with the Emergency Situations Ministry's branch in Southern Russia. Although on land sulfur is used as a fungicide, in a marine setting it wouldn't act as one, said Farr; instead a sulfur spill can be compared to dumping sand on a reef and smothering it, or placing a blanket on a bed of grass. Long-term effects are more difficult to speculate on, however, without better knowledge of the area and its currents. Oleg Mitvol said that although the sulfur spill doesn't present an environmental danger, the two freighters might also leak fuel oil from their tanks, adding to the pollution.

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comment move page stuff
Thanks for fixing the comment move error. That was essentially my fault as I made a mistake in the template that gives the link to move the page (& was percent encoded when it shouldn't have been because it was an argument separator, so it got interperted as part of the new page title instead of the reason for the move). I have distinct memories of previously testing this and it working fine, so I have no idea what happened. In any case it is now fixed. Sorry for any confusion. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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What's wrong with it?
It's simple, it is in line with other project's mottos, it's clear, ... I like it and I don't see any problem with it, and I think it's better than the alternative suggestions. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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Portal:Football/Fixtures/2007/November

Is anyone, think like me ; others say , that the soccer is the best sport in the world ; I just say : Who are goint to win the hardest cup in the world ? ==

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Vandalism
Please don't vandalize, as you did here. Thanks, Boricuaeddie 19:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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There is no reason for a picture of Franco in that article, please do not reinsert it. --SVTCobra 20:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

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Well I was close! ;-) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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I would like to know why you reverted me here. Please note that the interwiki link to the Spanish Wikinews appears twice in that page. My removal fixed that problem. --Boricu æ ddie  19:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I re-fixed. The diff made if look like you removed a valid link. --SVTCobra 14:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Accredited
Water_cooler/miscellaneous: replied there. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please ask some Spanish admins if they can comment on your request in English, like Brian requested. They can do that on your talk page here or on the Spanish wn, just provide us with a link, that would be nice.
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Comments:Vanity Fair contributing editor Craig Unger on the Bush family feud, neoconservatives and the Christian right

i am no fan of the neoconservative agenda, nor of the current manifestation of the republican party, but this reaks of the nonsense typical of vast conspiracy theories, and i could feel myself being sucked in with every sentence read; i cannot wait to read this book!

david shankbone, you are truly an asset to wikinews, and i've enjoyed reading the interviews you've shared with the community. cheers, and please continue with your work, as its much appreciated. -Imind 21:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You know, what he writes about is complicated, but I have his book and I've been reading it--it's amazing--and pretty much everything he says is documented. The only "conspiracy" stuff would be the conjecture around the Bush feud.  The Neocon and Christian right collusion is pretty documented.  When I was wikifying the interview, most of what was said by him is found in other places.  He kind of ties it all together.  He's not a wacko, that's for sure.  I gave him plenty of opportunity to expound upon things and do some musing, and he declined.  More, he reports about things that are fact, that aren't hidden, but just aren't reported on or known.  --David Shankbone 21:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

 * i remember being referred to the PNAC (progress for a new american century) website hen the 9/11 conspiracy theories first emerged, and hearing of a book written by a former reagan adminstration official, both speaking of, from years ago, the importance of establishing a footprint in the middle east. it tied in so well with the 9/11 theories as a necessary catalyst for this footprints development, and was easily dismissed by my conservative friends, simply because it came packaged with those theories.  maybe this will provide enough background for them to finally acknowledge what is happening to their party?  me thinks no.  politics have simply become to polarized in this country, a result of this alliance between the neocons and religious conservatives.  we no longer argue about mere political beliefs, but are instead arguing with regard to our faith. -Imind 00:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

This interview is really great David. Fascinating insights, good questions & discussion. Thanks for putting this out for everyone to read Wikidsoup 17:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The book is very fascinating - not because it really puts out anything "new" as much as it takes disparate information and puts it together. Unger really does his research.  The reason why so much of it seems to be "conspiracy" is simply because the mainstream media don't report on these topics.  It's not "known information" even though it is factual.  --David Shankbone 18:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm very surprised that I'm the first person to comment on this article. All I really want to say is that none of what Unger said surprises me, but all of it disturbs me. It's amazing how backwards so many people here in America are in their thinking. Puritanism will destroy us. What ever happened to freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? Separation of church and state?

On the one hand, they scream about God, but on the other hand, their motivations in the Middle East are based on greed and power. America, stop voting for these people! They definitely don't represent me! Raphael s 00:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Craig Unger's interview on Bush vs Bush, Neocon agenda, Iraq war, the scary future ...
This is one of the most brilliant pieces I have read in some time. Thanks to Mr. Unger and his incisive analysis, which was presented so clearly and professionally on this forum. Scary stuff, but since the Bush White House seems to have lost touch with reality, there is no telling what they will try next to stay in power in 2008. That has to be the most important election in American history; I just hope that the Democrats can pick the right team to knock these GOP zombies out of office. I am a regular Vanity Fair reader, and think that this might be the best magazine in the world right now!!

On another esoteric point about the 2008 U.S. election, which I have been curious about for a while now, I have this question: Once a person has served as President of the United States, is there anything preventing him or her from running again for VICE-PRESIDENT!? I am thinking about Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic nomination and then picking Bill, her husband, to be her running mate!?

Cheers and Best Wishes, FrankEldonDixon, Kingston, Canada 19:44 Nov. 14, 2007 GMT+5 FrankEldonDixon 00:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fluff
God, what fluff. Was this just to be able to say, "I interviewed Craig Unger"? I hope you at least got a complimentary copy of the book.

Great article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.186.159.24 (talk) 02:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Incredible"
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US interrogators complain of "sickening" pressure for evidence on Iran

November 13, 2007

US interrogators have claimed that they are under pressure to find incriminating evidence against Iran when they interview Iraqi insurgents, The Observer reported on Sunday.

Micah Brose, a privately contracted interrogator working for the US military in Iraq, told the British newspaper that information about Iran is "gold".

"They push a lot for us to establish a link with Iran (when interrogating prisoners)", he claimed in the interview, adding that "it feels a lot like, if you get something and Iran's not involved, it's a let down." He further claimed that people have said to him that "they're really pushing the Iran thing". Brose denied being asked to manufacture evidence, but stated that "if a detainee wants to tell me what I want to hear so he can get out of jail ... you know what I'm saying."

The US government accuses Iran of arming insurgents in neighbouring Iraq, and refuses to rule out military action against Iran for its alleged attempts to build nuclear weapons. In the past the US has been accused of using exaggerated and fabricated evidence to build its case against Iraq prior to the war.

The Observer article, which has not been picked up by any other mainstream news agency (but reported in Iran), also quoted a military intelligence officer as saying that "The message is, 'Got to find a link with Iran, got to find a link with Iran.' It's sickening."


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Single Source Story
This article doesn't quite conform to the recommendations as stated in the Writing An Article guide in that only a single primary source is quoted. The reason for this is that this is an Observer investigation, and it hasn't been picked up by other news agencies at all. A search on Google News at the time of writing using the search terms "interrogator Iran" for the past 3 days turns up only the Observer and Press TV articles, which also merely quoted The Observer as a source. The Press TV article appears to be sourced from three mysterious agencies, "CS", "HGH" and "RE", whoever they are. Any help on who these sources are would be appreciated, as then I can indicate them appropriately. Press TV is an Iranian government funded cable TV station, so presumably these agencies are Iranian and that could be why it is difficult to find any information about them. Dox96 09:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the Press TV is basically just a shortened version of the Observer story, the picture and entire paragraphs are copied from the Observer. --SVTCobra 11:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
How unreasonable! Someone anonymous added the "cleanup" tag giving no reason whatsoever. Well I have removed it again. And I have to say if you don't want your cleanup tags simply removed, then try a little discussion. I will be complaining about this. Dox96 22:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It does need work
The single source concerns are real however, also, it needs some help in other areas, I will begin to work on it. --SVTCobra 22:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to say that I am unimpressed with the way this issue has been handled. At first you agreed with me in the way that I handled the story. Then, after I complain about an anonymous "cleanup" tag being added, suddenly you find fault with it and make major edits to it. Looking at your work so far, it appears that you have gotten around the single source problem by adding unrelated information surrounding the issue. My original article was about the fact that interrogators have complained about what they regarded as unreasonable pressure to find evidence on Iran when interrogating prisoners. This is not related to the story about the US denying that they are about to attack Iran. I feel that if you really need to add unrelated US propaganda to "balance" the story (as I saw in one of your edit notes), you can create a new article separate from this one.

I am particularly unhappy with the "cleanup" tag being on the article for 8 hours while I was asleep, effectively meaning that European visitors would have missed the article. News only lasts 24 hours before it becomes fish-and-chips wrapping. This is an important article precisely because it has not been widely publicised, despite being highly relevant to an extremely important international issue.

This is my first Wikinews article. Of course I don't expect it to be perfect and I welcome constructive discussion about how it might be improved. But my major motivation for even bothering to submit it was because, as I said earlier, I felt it was important and not publicised enough. I appreciate that the issue might be a little controversial, however I don't expect that I have to spend 24 hours being awake merely to defend my article from being simply removed, or having major edits adding unrelated US propaganda. It has taken a considerable amount of my time to do this, and guess what, I have to work and sleep just like everyone else. Wikinews hasn't exactly taken off like Wikipedia. I suspect that pissing off contributors like this ain't gunna help the cause. Dox96 00:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Alright, then, if you want me to restore your article as was, I will. If you think that US denying reports of an attack on the very same day as the Observer story is "unrelated" I am surprised. If you think that Joschka Fischer is spewing US propaghanda, I am stunned. --SVTCobra 00:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agreed with you that it was a problem that the article was single source. I saw that the article was started by an anonymous IP and thought you had raised concerns about it and inserted the stuff about not being picked up by major wires as you thought the story wasn't neutral. Besides, I am not the only one here and I can't be responsible for the story being left unattended. I thought I was doing you a favor by saving a story that could well be thought of as being in violation of NPOV. --SVTCobra 00:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have asked a non-US editor/admin to look at this and see if my edits were unreasonable. If either of you say so, I will happily extricate my edits. Well, I guess you already did, but you confirm that you want that, or the other editor sees a problem, then I will. --SVTCobra 01:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Ahh I see where I misunderstood you now. Actually, I was the original author, and I was basically trying to offer reasons at the top of this page where I felt that I veered from the writing guidelines, to defend what I did.  I made a mistake creating the article anonymously - sorry about the newbie mistake.  That's why I corrected myself by creating my user handle.  But I can see how that must have created confusion as to who was doing what edits and for what reason.

 * However, I stand by my original comments regarding the adding of unrelated content. I do not feel that the US commander was responding to the Observer article - it got no coverage elsewhere.  He was responding to escalated coverage throughout the worldwide media in the past week regarding speculation of an attack.  I also didn't feel that the Observer article was implying that the US was going to attack Iran in the immediate future, just that they seemed to be constructing a "case" for it using unreliable intelligence gathering methods.  I think the first paragraph now reads extremely awkwardly, trying to piece together two unrelated facts.  I also think it's now highly unbalanced, with 3 quotes (and photographs) of senior government figures denying an imminent attack, and one unrelated quote from Fischer.  I still think the "US denies plans of attack" story should be a separate article.  I have more to say, but I have to get back to work now :-/ Dox96 01:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Funny, I fixed that "responding" sentence even before I read this. We can't use the Observer's photos of Brose and I'm afraid no free ones are available. But I will gladly look for recent comments by Ahmadinejad to rebalance, or I could seperate. --SVTCobra 01:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Extricated
Dox, I have extricated and restored your article from the work that I did. Although, I did not publish, I marked it 'Ready' for the immediate attention of other editors. You may persue your problem of the single source with them. --SVTCobra 02:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits done
Alright, I've done some minor edits to wikify it. Can't think of any really relevant images, so I'd rather leave it as it is than add irrelevant ones (such as maps of Iran or some such). I understand the Observer photo cannot be used for copyright reasons. I even added your article as a link SVTCobra! Just to say thank-you :-) No, I mean it :-)  If no one has anything further to say about this article before I wake up again tomorrow morning (8 hours from now), then I'm going to re-publish it myself. Feel free to republish it in the meantime though! --Dox96 12:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Published
As there have been no further comments, I am republishing. It's been hanging around long enough now. I do not think that this article violates NPOV, and I think the reason given for having a single source is reasonable. I have not been able to find any more information about information-gathering techniques on Iran. Please feel free to add anything that you (meaning, anyone) find on this topic. And please - state on this page specifically what problem that you have before adding "cleanup" tags. That also means saying why you think it's a problem. --Dox96 22:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Published elsewhere
Well it seems that I have got at least one vote of confidence - those naughty guys over at HULIQ have copied my work word-for-word! Yes, it appears to be another "citizen journalist" site, but a) I didn't submit it, and b) they're on Google News! Well the whole purpose of me doing this on Wikinews was to publicise something important, and it appears that I have done so. Guess I may bother doing this again. My eyes will be wiiiide open next time :-) --Dox96 23:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That is the result of publishing under CC-BY-2.5. They are free to use it as long as they say it came from Wikinews, which they did. But they just mirror stuff from here, so I would take the "vote of confidence" lightly. They are on Google because they qualify as a "blog". Don't ask me why but Google has made a deliberate decision to exclude Wikinews from their search. Afriquenligne is another site that mirrors us and listed by Google. For more about our relationship with Google, please see this discussion. Cheers,--SVTCobra 00:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I fully understand the nature of the license, don't worry. Actually I was very pleased, how does that saying go?  Mimicking is the highest form of flattery? :-)  And they don't appear to simply "mirror" stuff from Wikinews, they certainly don't have every article on here, and they include news from all sorts of other sources, so someone must have made a deliberate decision to publish, rather than a computer automatically putting it onto their site.  Hence my "vote of confidence" comment.  Anyway.  As I said, I've achieved what I set out to do, so I'm happy.  And I really mean it when I say I'm grateful for all the effort that you've put in this yourself SVTCobra.  You really have given me a better understanding of the issues concerning publishing and hence next time I'll be much better prepared :-) --Dox96 02:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Repeat
What is in this article that isn't in the US denies plans for attack on Iran amid report of hunt for evidence against Iran article??? Contralya 00:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The answer to your question Controlya is: nothing. See the above for a looooong discussion of how this happened.  If you still have a problem with the information being repeated, then please remove it from the "US denies plans for attack on Iran amid report of hunt for evidence against Iran" article rather than doing anything to this one for this reason.  Thanks, --Dox96 02:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


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title: User talk:Belle-pants