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Talk:Senator David Vitter to earmark $100,000 for creationist group

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Firstly, is this really an important story?

Secondly, if you can't see the bias in this you really need to get your head examined.

I suggest we just delete this.

--206.116.168.12 08:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What is missing is the Senator's side of the story. Did he make any statement to go with the earmarking of these funds or was it just a line item in a budget? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * 206.116.168.12, many blogs are writing about this as well as many science groups. If its bias against creationism, that's because science is consider creationism pseudoscience. Part of Vitter's statement. Shown2233361 15:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * A senator giving tax payer money to a group who pushes a religious agenda on public schools is noteworthy. That is, afterall, why there is press coverage/sources on this page. What is exactly is the "bias" you dispute? C56C 16:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd say that putting the word "combat" in quotes is showing a bias. Wikisoup 19:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Its the word used on LFF's website, which is why its in quotes. C56C 20:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Third day of 2007 NSW fire season sees 46 fires burning

October 3, 2007

The official New South Wales bushfire season for 2007 has been declared for only three days and already 46 fires burn across the state. It is believed that at least some of the fires have been deliberately lit.

Weather conditions are hampering firefighting efforts, with high temperatures and strong winds helping to fan the flames.

Major fires are currently burning at Little Pittwater Bay on Sydney's West Head, Cowan North of Sydney, Port Stephens and at Evans Head on the NSW North coast. The fire at Cowan has caused transport chaos as it caused the closure of the Pacific Highway, F3 Freeway and the Northern railway line for several hours this afternoon.

Residents around the fires at Port Stephens and Evans Head have been advised by the NSW Rural Fire Service to prepare their properties for the onset of fire.

With many of the fires thought to of been started by arsonists, NSW Premier Morris Iemma warned that arsonists would face imprisonment. "It makes you sick. There are sadly too many people out there that don't get the message," Mr Iemma.

"They are sick minds who deliberately light these fires, or even to recklessly do it".

A police strike force with 10 officers and two support staff to investigate the fires had also been set up with Mr Iemma stating that if more resources were required, the strike force would be provided with them.


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Talk:Third day of 2007 NSW fire season sees 46 fires burning

Original reporting
Most of the article (with the exception of the Premier's comments) has been compiled from reports by the Rural Fire Service - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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Comments:Fred Thompson: Iraq had WMD in 2003

lol, its been clear that Sadam was bluffing, is anybody actually going to vote this idiot? 144.82.106.60
 * To be honest, the majority of the other candidates aren't any better. Democracy = fail. --206.116.168.12 14:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

rewriting history much?

Lol, democracy failing? So, communism works better?? (lol). And by the way, don't forget about the Democrat party, who seems to be crushing the Republican party like a bug in this election. Contralya 02:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


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take a look at England, we tried this and it clearly lead to more bureaucrats. The advantage in terms of politics is that the government can have less bureaucrats (but then each of the hospitals will need their own)


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Talk:Vivien Goldman: An interview with the Punk Professor

Some notes on where and when you met her would be nice. Regards Sean Heron 10:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems like the interview is both missing parts and heavily out of order...just saying... - Guest User Orpheus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.103.118 (talk) 01:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


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2007/08 UEFA Cup: Copenhagen vs. Lens

Thursday, Danish football champions FC Copenhagen upset France's 5th place finishers RC Lens, beating them 2-1 on home turf after extra time. Lens started the scoring in the 14th minute, when Eric Carrière put Lens one up. Marcus Allbäck struck back in the 76th minute, closing the gap. At 90 minutes, the game was tied at 1-1, and with an aggregate score of 2-2, with one away goal a piece, the game went to extra time. Five minutes into the first extra time-period, Michael Gravgaard was sent off following a professional free kick on Aruna Dindane. But even one man down, Copenhagen fought their way to a penalty kick as Czech national Libor Sionko was fouled in the penalty area with just 8 minutes to play. Jesper Grønkjær scored the match-winner, converting the 12-yarder.

The club of the Danish capital is through to the group phase of the 2007-08 UEFA Cup, clinching at least another five matches in the tournament.

Other Danish clubs in the draw: AaB Aalborg held Italian U.C. Sampdoria to 0-0, qualifying for the group phase as well, after 2-2 in Italy, on the away goals rule. Meanwhile OB Odense was beaten 4-3 on penalties by Sparta Prague after neither team being able to break the deadlock for the 210 minutes of the two ties including extra time in the second leg, and FC Midtjylland failed to overturn their 1-3 deficit in Russia against Lokomotiv Moscow, losing 0-2, making it a 1-5 aggregate defeat.

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Frank Messina: An interview with the 'Mets Poet'

October 3, 2007 In the early Olympic games, athletes used to run a mile and then recite a poem. The first poet-in-residence of an English football team, Ian McMillan, remarked that football chants are like huge tribal poems. Generally, though, sport and poetry have never seemed natural companions in human enterprise. Until the New York Mets baseball team suffered in 2007 arguably the worst collapse in Major League Baseball history. To describe the anguish fans felt, The New York Times turned to a poet, Frank Messina. "Nothing was really representing the fan's point of view," Messina told Wikinews reporter David Shankbone in an interview. "There's a lot of hurting people out there who can't express what happened."

And to those who read the Times last Saturday, Messina wants you to know his father never apologized for raising him as a Mets fans. "I never asked for his apology, and he never apologized, nor did he owe us one. I was misquoted in the New York Times."

Messina's parents taught him about opposite ends of the spectrum of life. "My mother was supportive even when I made mistakes. She taught me to never give up no matter what vocation you choose in your life." Whereas Messina's mother taught him to never give up, his father taught him how to die with grace. He passed away from cancer in 2005. "I got to see a man who accepted his fate. He was like the Captain of the Titanic. My mother was also calm. I was the one freaking out inside. I saw someone who had acknowledged his own demise, accepted it, and died at home. He was a tough old guy. It takes a lot to accept that; it takes a very strong person. Some of the special moments toward the end was sitting with him and watching baseball games."

It is baseball that has garnered Messina attention now. He has performed in 32 countries and 40 states, and in 1993 he founded the band Spoken Motion, a spoken word band. What is striking about Messina is that his work has branched two worlds that often don't interact: downtown coffeehouse denizens of poetry and the denizens of Shea Stadium. It is Frank Messina who has personalities as diverse as Joe Benigno, the archetype of the New York sportscaster at WFAN, reflecting on love and poetry. "No one would question a poet writing about love for a woman," said Benigno, "but when you’re a fan of a team, the emotional attachment is even stronger...." Benigno sounded similar to avant-garde writer and musician David Amram, who said Messina's poems paint "the stark beauty of the streets, the pain of 9/11, the joy of everyday life, the mysteries of love all fill the pages of this book. It's a feast of images and sounds that stay with you."

I spoke with the person Bowery Poetry Club founder Bob Holman called the "Rock n' Roll Poet Laureate" recently in Washington Square Park:

DS: You have received a good deal of attention recently.
 * FM:Even though I'm not Michael Jackson or somebody, when people come up to me and introduce themselves and say, 'Hey Frank, my name is John,' I say, 'Hey John, my name is Frank' and they laugh. It's a funny phenomenon.

DS: What goes through your head when that happens?
 * FM: I understand it.  I've gone to readings and concerts.  I look at it as human interaction.  Over the years I have performed in 32 countries and 40 states.  I've been doing this professionally since I was in my twenties, and before that since I was sixteen doing little tidbit poetry readings in coffeehouses.  The band I started in 1993, Spoken Motion, received a lot of recognition as a spoken word band born out of the New York spoken word scene.  I worked with some great musicians and performed around the world.  I remember signing my first autograph to a kid when I was 25 years old.  As time went on, I came out with books and CDs, and I became used to that kind of thing.  To me, the ultimate feeling of success as an artist, is to move somebody enough where they thank you.  When someone comes up and says, 'Frank, thank you, your work is great."

'''DS: You have a long career in poetry, but as of late the attention you have garnered is for the Mets-inspired work. How do you feel about having a lot of your work overshadowed by the Mets work?'''
 * FM:It's ironic. Some of the greatest poetry has been born out of failure and the depths of adversity in the human experience.  Walt Whitman, the first great American poet, wrote about the Civil War.  He went looking for his brother, George Whitman, after he a telegram telling him his brother was injured in the South.  When he started out his poems were about beating drums, and blow, bugle, blow.  Real patriotic.  Then he started to see the real horrors of war. He was able to tap into the human condition and the situation at that time.   Eventually when he found his brother he had resolution.

 * I experienced that kind of adversity during 9/11 being a civilian volunteer. I loaded ferry boats in Jersey City across the river to deliver goods to Ground Zero.  I turned to Whitman to find some understanding of what is happening in the world right now.  When I wrote my 9/11-related poems, that was true adversity.  I realize baseball is just a game.

DS: Can you recite a stanza that expresses how you feel right now?
 * FM: This was a piece that the Times only quoted one stanza, but it's about preparation for a battle, and being prepared to either rise to the occasion, or go down:

''Do you know what it's like ''to be chased by the Ghost of Failure ''while staring through Victory's door? ''Of course you do, you're a Mets fan ''caught in a do-or-die moment ''in late September at Shea

''As one that's battled hard ''through many a broken dream Let me say, "in order to rise to the occasion you must be willing ''to go down with the ship", ''Have no fear, no hesitation, ''for Winning shall be it's reward!

''Don't let them get in your head! ''you've kept it up this long ''You're a Mets fan in late September ''and you'll fight til the glorious end ''Cheer the team today; ''(your boys in orange and blue) ''Let them hear you shout as they fight for what's mightily due  (copyright Frank Messina; reprinted with permission)

'''DS: Sports fans aren't known as patrons of poetry. Have you had interaction with 'new readers' through your Mets work?'''
 * FM: This one person who I never met took a picture of me and sent it to me in an e-mail.  The e-mail said, 'Frank, I have never bothered you during the game, but I just wanted to say thank you for your work and thank you for making some sense of the successes and failures and I wish you much success with your work.'

 * Last year in my section at the stadium I had a banner that read We Know'. That's all it said.  Then earlier this year these shirts started to come out that said, "Poet says We Know".  It was amazing.  We didn't use the banner this year, though, because we didn't know.  The team wasn't so far ahead that we knew.  Last year we just knew we were going to the playoffs; we knew we were going post-season.  This year we weren't sure.  We were walking on eggshells.

 * There was a woman, a season ticket holder and a die hard fan. She was staggered by the loss last year to the Cardinals.  Last year she came up to me during one of the games late in the season; she was so happy we were going to the post season.  By that point we had clinched it.  She handed me a shirt she bought at the stadium and she gave me a big hug.  With tears in her eyes she said, "Thank you, Mets Poet, thank you."  It's cool...it's like another family.

DS: Moments like that must make you realize you have touched people who aren't normally touched by poetry.
 * FM: It's opened up a new fan base, so to speak.  For the last year SNY has broadcast footage of me with my poems, so quite a few fans known about the 'Mets Poet'.  I have never called myself that, by the way.  The back of my jersey says 'The Poet' because growing up that was my nickname.  My brother was a runner and they used to call him The Birdman--Birdie--and they called me The Poet.  It was a natural thing, but I never coined myself as 'The Mets Poet.'

'''DS: Jack Nicholson once said, "The fuel for the sports fan is the ability to have private theories." What are some of your private theories?'''
 * FM: The fan is always right.  No matter if he is wrong, he is right.  The fan always has an opinion.  That's why we have talk radio and people call Joe Benigno and Steve Somers and Mike and the Mad Dog all day long.  That's why we have 24/7 sports-related talk. If you were to come from another planet with only three hours on Earth to find out what human beings are like, to discover how dynamic life is as a human being, you would take them to a baseball game.  A season is like a life, but a game is like one day in that life.  A season has its beginning, its renewal, its innocence and its arch into maturity into the season.  Panic sets in when it hits the middle-age of the season.  Will it we have success, or will we have failure.  At end of season, fans have to accept whether we have failed or whether we have achieved victory.  Kansas City Royals fans know at the beginning of the season that, more than likely, nothing is going to happen for them.  As Mets fans, we want to win, but we never expect it to be easy.  It's always going to be a fight; it's always going to be hard.

DS: The second-class citizen in a first rate city idea that is found in one of your poems.
 * FM: Yeah, you're going to get pushed around.  People are going to disagree with you.  It's not going to be easy.  You're going to have to take a lot of pills, take an extra drink, go to the gym an extra day to run off some energy.

'''DS: You and poet Ron Whitehead embarked on a "War Poets" tour of Europe. You as a pro-war poet, and Whitehead as a pro-peace poet. Forgive the crude terminology; I realize there is probably nuance in there. In the over four years since that tour has your outlook evolved at all?'''
 * FM: I've never been for any war.  I try to avoid altercation on any level, be it emotional, physical, or political.  But there are some wars I think that are necessary.  History has shown this.  Was this one necessary?  I don't know.  Twenty years from now we'll have to figure that out.  I hope that we've all learned something from it.

DS: What is your feeling toward the Iraq War now?
 * FM: It's a mess. It's a mess.  We went in to get a job done, get Hussein out of there, liberate the Iraqi people as was dictated in the 1998 Liberation Act that Senator Lieberman helped draft and President Clinton put out there.  President Bush, Congress and the American people supported going in there.  I'm not going to backtrack: I did support going in there, and even as an artist and a poet, and as a freak, I made a decision, that it was time to take this guy out.  I spoke with many Iraqi Americans who live in my neighborhood who also supported that.  Lebanese and Iranian friends I have supported it.  One of my childhood friends, Adel Nehme, came out of Beirut, Lebanon around 1972.  We met in kindergarten and we've been friends ever since.  He was someone who escaped that turmoil.  His family brought him to New Jersey specifically to pull him out of that hell, like the way my father took us out of the gangland hell of the South Bronx.  Like any father would do, to protect his family.

DS: Do you still feel the Iraq War is protecting us, and that the original reasons you supported it are still valid?
 * FM: It's a mess.  The original reasons?  Yes.  Looking back, hindsight is always 20/20.  Unlike many artists, I have vocally supported the war.  Many artists who support this war won't say that.  Ron Whitehead is a dear friend.  We have mutual respect for each other but we disagree on a lot of issues.  Nevertheless, there's only one man I want fighting in the trenches of life with me, and that's Ron Whitehead.

DS: When you look at the state of the world, what five descriptors come to mind?
 * FM: Chaos.  Yearning for peace.  Confusion.  Desperation.  Hope.

DS: And are you hopeful?
 * FM: Yes.

DS: Where do you get that hope from?
 * FM: My faith in the human spirit.  I think people are inherently good.

'''DS: Joe Benigno said, "No one would question a poet writing about love for a woman, but when you’re a fan of a team, the emotional attachment is even stronger, because women come and go, but your team never changes." Do you think that analogy really holds, because you are attracted to the Mets, and you are attracted to women, and the players on both of those teams in your life change. '''
 * FM: Loving a baseball team is having to put up with the imperfections, the routine of what kind of mood is it going to be today.  It doesn't come down to whether we are going to win or lose, it comes down to: is the player going to perform this way?  Or, is the pitcher going to be ambivalent?  Am I even going to have enough strength to watch this game?  Am I going to wash my hands?  Am  I going to lay in bed all day?  What am I going to do?  The game becomes a reflection of true life in that way.

'''DS: The difference is that you know what to expect from the players on the Mets. They have defined roles and there is some certitude. With women, as the players change you don't know what they are going to do; whereas in baseball the players have roles and you know what to expect of them.'''
 * FM: It's a dangerous proposition being any fan, but particularly a Mets fan, because you are going to have to accept you will fall in love with imperfection.  When you fall in love with a woman, you are accepting them for all their flaws, those elements that make them human, worts and all.  And I accept my team worts and all.  They have given me a great deal of joy, a great deal of entertainment, exhilaration, and a hell of a lot of pain like in any fan.  This isn't the Brady Bunch, this isn't Leave it to Beaver.  Few things are, if anything.

'''DS: You were the recipient of the 1993 Allen Ginsberg Poetry Award. In 1996 I met Ginsberg at the Naropa Institute in Boulder. I asked him about NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. He told me to follow him into the bathroom. As I stood there he peed and told me he wasn't for having sex with children, but that he thought that age-of-consent laws were outdated, that he knew what he wanted when he was fifteen and that he thought everyone does at that age. He said he wasn't for sex with children, but that it should not be illegal to have sex at that age. When you accepted the Ginsberg award, did you have an issue with some of his political stances?
 * FM: I was too young at the time to realize what he thought.  I never knew what went on behind closed doors with Allen, and aside from meeting him a few times, I never knew him on a personal level.  I accepted the nomination, like young people do each year, because of his poetry, not because of his politics.  I was proud.  That is what the award was designed for.  There are laws in this country for a reason, to protect children and to protect people from predators.  Whether Allen was a predator or not, I don't have any idea.

DS: All evidence is that he was not a predator, but that he was a voice for change of age-of-consent laws.
 * FM: To me, it's a non-issue.  Put your hand on my kid and believe me, it's all over for the predator.  That's my policy.  When someone's 18, that's the deal.  I'll stick with the law on that one.

DS: What's a lesson your mother taught you?
 * FM: To never give up.  She was supportive even when I made mistakes, as a good mother will do.  In school my parents were called up a lot.  It was not easy being a parent of Frankie.  Teachers were constantly calling.  I was disruptive, I would talk out of line, I was a class clown.  She taught me to never give up no matter what vocation you choose in your life.  My mother was never critical of my poems and writing.  We're good friends and she's a lot of fun.

DS: How would you choose your death?
 * FM: Either in battle or laying in bed with family around me.

DS: Have you ever had a moment where you saw your death?
 * FM: Yes, a couple of times.  Once I was on one of those small planes flying to Pittsburgh last year to see the Mets, actually one of those 25-seat airplanes flying out of Newark in a lightning storm.  We had ascended over Newark and the plane was struck by lightning.  There was no panic on the plane at all, but something, we knew, was terribly wrong.  I saw a flash of light when it hit the plane and a fellow across the aisle said, "Did you just see that?" and I said that I thought we were struck by lightning.  He said it felt like something got ripped off the plane.  There was so much turbulence.  The stewardess came out with one of the co-pilots, who announced we were struck by lightning, but that we were going to continue the flight.  There was a moment there, I think a good 30 seconds, where I was certain the plane was going to break apart.

DS: Did you have any realizations?
 * FM: I thought, this is it.  This is it.  There was acceptance.  When my father was diagnosed with cancer in June of 2005 and  I got to see a man who accepted his fate.  He died two months later.  He was like the Captain of the Titanic.  My mother was also calm.  I was the one freaking out inside.  I saw someone who had acknowledged his own demise, accepted it, and died at home.  He was a tough old guy.  It takes a lot to accept that, it takes a very strong person.  In this culture we value life very much, and some people look at death as a failure, but it's going to happen to all of us.  My theory is to help yourself, and help others in life.


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PTS Taiwan holds "Why Democracy?" the Movie Pre-launch Seminar to examine the democratic process in Taiwan

October 3, 2007 Prior to the October 8 global launch of the political documentary film "", Taiwan (PTS Taiwan) held a preview seminar and invited some professionals at Eslite Bookstore Tung-nan Branch,  City today.

"Because we noticed on the importance of the democratic process in Taiwan, PTS Taiwan imported this series film from Netherlands. I hope that citizens, governmental level, and academic professionals in Taiwan can learn some experiences from the series movie." Yuan-huei Hu said. "Without democracy, and  won't be the elected President of the Republic of China." Ron Chen remarked at opening. At the Executive Panel, Thomas Peng pointed out problems of politics and democratic process in Taiwan, and mentioned the disadvantage such as at voting and process of a election on the movie "Please Vote For Me" ever happened in Taiwan. "Democracy has its advantage or not." Peng said. "A leader should play a suitable role after elected by supporters with their anticipation and understand what they need." Chi-chang Hung said.

Even though the documentary film Please Vote For Me is directed by Wei-jun Chen (Producer of Wuhan Television), but due to the political problem, this film is available world-wide except China. "If we review this film without political factor, this series film exposed some experiences and problems in some of democratic countries." Wen-tang Cheng (Film Director in Taiwan) mentioned after the highlights played at the seminar.

"This series film will be suitable for persons who has a great expect on politics and democracies in Taiwan. Governments in Taiwan should learn some valuable experiences from this series film whether those experiences are good or not. If governmental person can understand those meanings in this film, politics and democracy in Taiwan will have a good process." Chien-jen Tsai (Chief Editor of Taiwan Lihpao) said at Executive Panel.

After the seminar, PTS Taiwan predicted that more than 300 million people in 200 countries will watch this series film and attract some discussions and topics on politics and democracy. The two sponsors of this series film are and New Taiwanese Cultural Foundation.


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OR info....
Copyedit form Chinese version, and write with official news release by PTS Taiwan. Brock contact... 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forget to say that I've participated this seminar. Brock contact... 15:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Article needs work
The English grammar and style needs a lot of work. For example "Chien-jen Tsai (Chief Editor of Taiwan Lihpao) remarked that this series film may be hopeful to someone who has anticipation on democracy and politics, if governments in Taiwan respected the process and learned their experiences, maybe this is hopeful in the process of democracy in Taiwan" is almost incoherent. Without being able to speak Chinese I can't help much with figuring out what it is supposed to mean. JoshuaZ 15:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Remark isn't suitable? Also, those words should be used with Chinese b/c the current political status in Taiwan. maybe "this" should be replaced with "the film" or "it" b/c there shouldn't be expressed with 3rd person noun. BTW, like this, should a NAMED person be expressed as "Name, Title, Description" ? In fact, I'm not a professional on political event.Brock contact...
 * The grammar is very hard to understand. It appears to mean something like "Chien-jen Tsai (Chief Editor of Taiwan Lihpao) remarked that this series film may be hopeful to someone who has anticipates (NEED VERB) on democracy and politics, if  the government in Taiwan respected the (what process? the Democratic process?) process and learned from their experiences, maybe this is hopeful in the process of democracy in Taiwan" but without knowing what the original said I don't know how much my corrections are changing the meaning.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Family Coalition Party candidate Kristen Monster, Willowdale

October 3, 2007 Kristen Monster is running for the Family Coalition Party in the Ontario provincial election, in the Willowdale riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed her regarding her values, her experience, and her campaign.

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

Interview
'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * I chose to involve myself in the political process in order to address the deficiency of integrity and morality in government. This province has suffered from irresponsible leadership and management for too many years. Now is the time to step forward, become involved, and demand accountability. That is why I am running as a candidate in this provincial election.

 * I chose to run as a candidate in the riding of Willowdale in this election on account of being a student at a university which is situated in the riding (Tyndale University College). In the past four years of study, I have become acquainted with the riding, the people who live there, and the issues they face. With the insights I have gained, I believe I can serve the people of Willowdale.

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * I grew up with politics. Even from a young age, I can remember discussing events and issues which were affecting the province, the country, and the world. As a teenager, I assisted in grassroots campaigning for the Christian Heritage Party. I have attended a number of political conferences, joined pro-life and pro-marriage rallies in Ottawa, and have participated in Show the Truth demonstrations in both Oshawa and Toronto. In 2006, I was nominated and elected to the position of Secretary of the board for the CHP riding association of Durham.

 * In addition to this political experience, I have held leadership positions in discussion-based groups, positions that require tact and the ability to mediate controversial topics, as well as organization and communication skills, and also compassion and understanding. I have a strong work ethic: I am competent, thorough, and pursue excellence in my work. Furthermore, attending a university which attracts students of different cultural and religious backgrounds, I have had the unique opportunity to interact with and establish friendships with a wide variety of people, and thus I have confidence that I can relate to and serve all the different people of my riding.

What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?
 * Of all the candidates running in the riding of Willowdale, I can offer my constituents honesty, integrity, and morality. I am not making campaign promises to be broken later, as others have done. I am not pledging millions of dollars for the sake of buying votes. I am simply presenting principles and reforms for managing government affairs responsibly, efficiently, and fairly, and am offering my services to the people of Willowdale. Whatever this office asks of me, I will seek to do the best for my riding.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * The three most important issues to voters in the riding of Willowdale in this election are transportation, senior care, and education. One or two of these issues are the same as, or related to, the issues that are most important to me (protection of all human life, protection and promotion of the family, and parental choice in education).

 * For Willowdale's issues, I would propose the following solutions:

 * Transportation. Recently, Toronto's budget shortfall made funding for the TTC and the quality of transportation in this riding into serious issues. I suggest as a possible solution that the provincial government pursue having the TTC buses (and other public transit systems) privatized, and encourage competing bus companies to become established. This would contribute to lower fare prices and better service, and would most likely attract more consumers and create more jobs. The money that was originally being used for the TTC buses could then be invested in improving and maintaining the subway system (for the present).

 * Senior Care. Seniors are valuable people, who deserve respect and proper treatment. I believe that, on a general basis, the best care-givers are their family members. I will provide tax breaks for persons who support and properly care for their aged parents, and will create incentives for others to do so. I would rather see seniors at home, being cared for by family members who love them, than in long-term nursing facilities.

 * Education. The education of a child is not something for the government to decide: parents have an inalienable right and duty to oversee the education of their children, and the provincial government should respect and promote this. The education system should be opened to parental choice and free market competition.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th legislative assembly?
 * The first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly should be to address the issue of the right of women to be informed. At present, women opting for the elective procedure of abortion are not informed of the risks this procedure poses to their health and the health of the child in the womb. Medical practitioners should be required to make this information available to women patients considering abortion.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * Property taxes need to be reconsidered. I believe cities should be subject to the Taxpayer Protection Act. City and municipality budgets should be cut back to focus on the essential services and operations of government. The Family Coalition Party opposes the proposed additional provincial land transfer tax in Toronto. Our direction is exactly the opposite: a reduction of taxes. In addition, we are considering removing the collection of the education portion from property taxes, which penalizes home ownership, and we would use general revenue to fund education. This would be a big incentive towards property ownership, personal savings, and would improve the economy in general.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * The province can lead the way in stimulating job creation by removing some of the tax burden placed on small businesses and individuals.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation referendum?
 * I support mixed member proportional representation. In the current first-past-the-post system, a politician can win a seat in a riding even when the majority voted against him. In such cases, the votes cast have unequal value, the majority of the constituents are not receiving representation, and the politician can avoid accountability to his riding. MMPR provides a fairer voting system that will ensure that everyone's vote counts, and that everyone's voice is heard. This new electoral system allows greater voter choice, fairer election results, and stronger representation.

'''What role, if any, does "new media" play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube, etc.) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * New media has played a major role in my campaign. I have taken advantage of websites (h: ad my own made), and utilized the other internet websites (mainly newspapers). New media has proved beneficial for my campaign.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Freedom Party candidate Wayne Simmons, Don Valley East

October 3, 2007 Wayne Simmons is running for the Freedom Party in the Ontario provincial election, in the Don Valley East riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed him regarding his values, his experience, and his campaign.

Wayne did not answer "Of the decisions made by Ontario's 38th Legislative Assembly, which was the most beneficial to your this electoral district? To the province as a whole? Which was least beneficial, or even harmful, to your this riding? To the province as a whole?"

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

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'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * I was inspired to enter politics by reading authors, Ayn Rand and George Orwell. Soon after, I looked at the political landscape in Canada and noticed it was - and still is- a haven for Statists.

 * I felt that those of us that understand the ideological roots of liberty need to involve ourselves in the political process.

 * I'm running for Don Valley East because Don Mills has been my home for 31 years.

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * I've been studying philosophy, history, politics and economics for approximately 20 years. I bring the insight of having a historical understanding of individual rights in the West.

 * This knowledge has armed me with the ability to make sound, principled, policy decisions.

'''Which of your competitors do you expect to pose the biggest challenge to your candidacy? Why?'''
 * I have no illusions about winning in this election. I'm running so that those living in my riding have an opportunity to vote for a principled, non-statist, candidate.

What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?
 * I'm the only rationally principled, non-statist, candidate running.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * There's is no way for any Politician to know with certainty what the three most important issues are in their riding. The question has smuggled into it a collectivist premise that a Politician is some kind of Rousseuian grand legislator who has mystical insight into the "General Will" of his community. Many people are concerned about excessive taxation. Many are concerned about the lack of choice in Education and Healthcare.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly?
 * Cutting taxes, specifically, property and income taxes.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * No. There is no "fair" level. Who can determine the "fair" level? This question presupposes some kind mystical collective way of determining fairness with regard to taxation.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * Abolish the provincial income tax and scrap property taxes, for starters.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation (MMP) referendum?
 * MMP would make majority Governments difficult - if not impossible. It is only by Freedom Party forming a majority Government where the necessary uncompromising changes can be made to restore Government respect for the individual's right to life, liberty and property.

'''What role, if any, does "new media" play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube videos, etc) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * They're all beneficial. The party uses practically all methods of new media.


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Ontario Votes 2007: Interview with Libertarian candidate Alan Mercer, Scarborough—Rouge River

October 3, 2007 Alan Mercer is running for the Ontario Libertarian Party in the Ontario provincial election, in the Scarborough—Rouge River riding. Wikinews' Nick Moreau interviewed him regarding his values, his experience, and his campaign.

Stay tuned for further interviews; every candidate from every party is eligible, and will be contacted. Expect interviews from Liberals, Progressive Conservatives, New Democratic Party members, Ontario Greens, as well as members from the Family Coalition, Freedom, Communist, Libertarian, and Confederation of Regions parties, as well as independents.

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'''Why have you chosen to involve yourself in the political process? Why did you choose to run in this constituency?'''
 * I live in Scarborough—Rouge River. I'm involved in the political process because of my desire to promote the message of individual liberty during provincial and federal elections, and to help build the libertarian political movement in Ontario and Canada. There is more information about me at http://www.libertarian.on.ca/Elec2007/A_Mercer.htm and http://www.thestar.com/ontarioelection/ridings/candidateprofile/252984 and http://www.canadianliberty.com/blog

'''What prior political experience do you have? What skills and insight can you bring to office, from other non-political positions you may have held?'''
 * I ran in the provincial by-election in Scarborough—Rouge River in 2005, and I was a candidate in the 2006 federal election for the Libertarian Party of Canada. I was elected to the Board of Directors of the Libertarian Party of Canada in May, 2005, and I was appointed president of the LPC in February, 2006. I have also served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party. I have had opportunities to explain libertarian principles and positions to various media.

 * I helped to write the Ontario Libertarian Party's current environment policy and the Libertarian Party of Canada's current platform

 * I have contributed press releases for both the Ontario LP and LP of Canada, which include "Scarborough-Rouge River Libertarian on crime, restitution, foreign policy and civil liberties", "Block the Extradition of Marc Emery: The War on Drugs is a War on Liberty", "Libertarian Party Rejects 'Smart Growth' as a Dumb Idea", "Ontario Organ Donation Bill Seeks Government Ownership of your Body", "Response to the Liberal Government's Agenda", "Response to Statements in the Liberal Throne Speech Concerning Education", and "Thalidomide Cancer Drug Only 9 Cents in Brazil while Canadians Spend their Life Savings".

'''Which of your competitors do you expect to pose the biggest challenge to your candidacy? Why? What makes you the most desirable of all candidates running in the riding?'''
 * The incumbent has all the advantage, and after that the NDP candidate and Conservative candidate in that order. Literally, there is no other candidate in the riding who is even going to come close to presenting a libertarian message. My candidacy represents liberty and allows the electors to hear this message. The Conservatives do not even come close to voicing free market positions or any opposition to infringements on personal liberties and property rights – such as the Smoke-Free Ontario Act or the Greenbelt Act or the Liberals forcing teens to stay in school until they’re 18. The major political parties still advocate price controls on the economy and the Greens are just the most extreme kind of control-freak mentality that the major parties represent with their corporatist-socialist policies. There is a complete vacuum and libertarians need to get involved right now and get their own pro-liberty message out to the Canadian public which is starved of this.

'''What do you feel are the three most important issues to voters in your riding? Are these the same top three issues that are most important to you? What would you do to address these issues?'''
 * I'd say that poverty, education and the economy are all important issues to both myself and to voters. The welfare state mentality, along with forced wealth transfer through taxation, and restrictions on people through ever-increasing authoritarian regulations are just going to push us towards worse conditions. I advocate the separation of school and state. People should not be forced to pay for the public or separate school system if they do not want to use it. Property tax is highly unjust and oppressive and should be abolished. I oppose the Tory plan to impose government control over faith-based schools.

What should be the first order of business in the 39th Legislative Assembly?
 * Rolling back government taxes and regulations. Increasing opportunities for health care and educational freedom. Liberty in all areas of life. Justice reform so that the needs of victims of crime are addressed through the principle of restitution.

Are the property taxes in your riding at a fair level for the amount of services received in the municipality?
 * No property tax is fair. Property tax violates property rights, and they oppress those who are least able to afford them. People need to be able to pay for the services they use and opt out of those they don’t.

How can the province lead the way in stimulating job creation?
 * Free up the economy. Eliminate price controls such as minimum wage and rent controls, which respectively stop people from finding low-wage employment and stop landlords from being able to maintain low-income housing. Eliminate the professional monopolies that impose one standard for certification and lock out immigrants from the economy. Let young people into the economy and stop imprisoning them in schools if they would rather work or start their own businesses. Reduce taxes and reduce the size of government drastically right now.

What are your views on the mixed member proportional representation (MMP) referendum?
 * If MMP leads to more diversity in the legislature and allows more representation by smaller parties (they need to pass 3% which is still a real obstacle), that may be a positive thing, but the proposed system may also decrease the level of representation in parts of Ontario, and there is a problem with accountability to the electorate. Unfortunately, MMP is a distraction from freedom issues, i.e. personal sovereignty vs. authoritarianism.   To reform our society in a libertarian direction, since we have to appeal to the majority anyway, I think political libertarians should consider the pros and cons of direct democracy.  In other words, each citizen being their own representative in a virtual legislature.  This may act as a check on the power of government through allowing more voices of dissent, more ideological diversity and more opinions to be heard in the legislature.  I don’t believe things are really heading this way with MMP.  MMP might have the opposite effect and empower the establishment parties even more.  But a movement towards direct democracy could open up an opportunity for libertarians to appeal more directly to the public rather than to the special interests who use the major parties to milk the public.

'''What role, if any, does “new media” play in your campaign, and the campaign of your party? (websites, blogs, Facebook, YouTube videos, etc) Do you view it as beneficial, or a challenge?'''
 * I think new media is a critical element in our campaign. Our website www.libertarian.on.ca is central to our campaign. We use mailing lists. I make use of my personal blog www.canadianliberty.com/blog as much as possible. Also we have started to make use of Facebook through the "Libertarian Party of Canada" group. The OLP and LPC are still small parties, but I think we can make more and better use of the Internet if we grow in our volunteer base.

'''Of the decisions made by Ontario's 38th Legislative Assembly, which was the most beneficial to your this electoral district? To the province as a whole? Which was least beneficial, or even harmful, to your this riding? To the province as a whole?'''
 * There is some really destructive provincial legislation from the point of view of people who care about the liberty and personal responsibility of Ontario’s citizens. One example is Bill 52, Education Amendment Act (Learning to Age 18), 2006 which suspends the drivers’ licenses of 16-18 year olds who don’t stay in school. And also of course the infamous Smoke-Free Ontario Act which copy-cats the rest of the world’s efforts to crack down on personal freedoms. I could go on and on. Bill 56, Emergency Management Statute Law Amendment Act, 2006 is a direct threat to civil liberties in the event of a flu pandemic or other excuse. The Greenbelt Protection Act, 2004 interferes with the rights of landowners. The Clean Water Act, 2006 interferes even more with private property rights.

 * Bills can be found here: http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_all.do?locale=en

 * Botton line: the government of Ontario is giving itself more and more power over our lives – over land, over homes, over educational decisions, over personal decisions. As a libertarian, I fundamentally object to this whole massive system of centralized control which has been growing for decades, and believe it’s time for society to move in the opposite direction towards decentralized person-to-person systems of rights protection.


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Thousands of trapped miners rescued in South Africa

October 4, 2007 As many as 3,200 mine workers became trapped in the in Elandsrand mine, a gold mine in South Africa about 50 miles (80 km) west of Johannesburg in Carletonville, Gauteng, after an incident on October 3. All miners have been rescued, and none of them were injured. The mine is owned by Harmony Gold Mining Corporation.

The mining company says that a lift electrical cable broke on a basket that was carrying miners, trapping thousands at least 2,200 meters (1.3 miles) below the earth's surface. Reports from MSNBC and the Guardian Unlimited say that the shaft may have collapsed when a water or air pipe burst. The rescue operation went well with no complications, with the rescue taking just under 24 hours to complete.

"They were underground when the accident happened and they were not able to surface because an electric feeder cable that is connected to the mine lift was severed," said a spokeswoman for the mining company, Amelia Soares. The snap was caused by a "fatigued" air pipe which burst and fell down the shaft damaging the "steelwork and electrical feeder cords," added Soares. "They are all in good condition."

"They are all safe. There have been no injuries or deaths," said CEO of Harmony mining, Graham Briggs who also said that the miners were previously contacted and were given "food and water."

Earlier reports had stated that Lesiba Seshoka, a spokesman with the National Union of Mineworkers, said that the miners have not been heard from for hours and that they could have been enduring temperatures as high as 105 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius).

"This is a terrible situation. The only exit is blocked, probably by a fall of ground," said Seshoka.

Rescue workers used a mine shaft that is next to the damaged one in an attempt to reach the trapped miners, and lifted them out, 75 at a time. There was no emergency exit in the shaft which is reported to have "not been maintained for ages," added Seshoka.

"An escape route is the most important thing and they have failed miserably. They need to ensure that the shaft is maintained. This is why we have this disaster. Our main worry is for more than 3,000 people who are underground," said National Union of Mineworkers for S. Africa chairman, Deon Boqwana.

Current reports say that "negligence" was the initial cause for the pipe burst and that there has been a history of negligence from the mine. "We suspect negligence. Because of continuous operations there is no time to make adequate checks," said the President of the Miners union, Senzeni Zokwana to reporters during a news conference.

The Elsrand mine is currently under development and has been since February 2001 when Harmony bought the mine. Officials state that the mine will remain closed for a minimum of six weeks, while an investigation is performed, and the mine is deemed safe for miners to continue working in it.

The mine is located in the Witwatersrand Basin of South Africa, which is said to be the location of the largest area of raw gold on the planet.


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Wow. Have we had an interview with every single politician in Canada yet? Or will that be in a few months? Contralya 21:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Canada has way more candidates. Actually, you are quite odd for asking that sort of question. If you are lacking some common sense, the titles say "Ontario Votes 2007:" not "Canada Votes 2007:". If you are lacking some knowledge, Canada is a big country, just not as populated as the U.S. and self-centered as the U.S. We have not interviewed every candidate in the country, and will probably never get to that because there is alot of them in Canada, FYI. You don't live in Canada and the American newscasts mainly talk about the U.S., so your opinion does not count on Canadian stuff. My opinion on U.S. stuff counts because the U.S. is spoken about around the world. 69.157.3.133 00:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I don't care about or listen to a word YOU say. You are wrong. And there are about 50 PRESIDENTIAL candidates alone in the U.S., wich by the way, according to resent research, has several times (over 300 mil) the population of Canada (around 33 mill). I think you are probably a Canadian nationalist. I don't respect you, you are ignorant, anti-American, and scold people based on false information. There is no way Canada has more candidates. Geographical size has little to do with population, much of it (northwards) is barren and cold. And I don't think that the Americans are self centered, but you...

My argument is valid; why are there such a disproportionate number of 'Ontario votes' pages? We should have a 'Ontario votes' portal with this many. You need to get you head out of the snow. Why do you take my comments so personally anyway? And to heal your ignorance, I suggest that you read about the O8 election on wikipedia.Contralya 01:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was not saying that Canada has more candidates. The U.S. has way more than Canada. I was saying that though Canada has less candidates than the U.S. we still probably would have to interview every candidate in every province, which would probably not happen because there is still alot of them, (yes, not as much as the U.S.), and it would probably be a little ridiculous. I was not talking about geographical size. Yes, I am a Canadian nationalist. I don't want to read about the 08 election. Perhaps we should create an Ontario elections portal. That sounds like a good idea. 69.157.3.133 16:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason why Canada does not have 50 candidates in every province is because in Canada you need to have a registered party to be a candidate. No one can just say that they want to run. We use the Westminster System. 69.157.3.133 17:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. And he's getting lots of credit for his work.

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3,200 people trapped in a mining accident? I am not a expert on mine disasters, but this has got to be one of the worst in history. Contralya 22:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


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Howard K. Stern files lawsuit against former MSNBC, FOX News journalist over Anna Nicole book

October 4, 2007

According to court papers, the attorney and partner of now deceased Anna Nicole Smith, Howard K. Stern has filed a lawsuit against a former FOX News Channel and MSNBC news anchor Rita Cosby for "assault, libel and slander." Cosby's publisher Grand Central Publishing, also known as Hachette Book Group USA is also named in the suit.

The papers say that Stern accuses Cosby of publishing "false and defamatory" accusations and information against him in Cosby's new book Blonde Ambition: The Untold Story Behind Anna Nicole Smith's Death.

"The book is an attempt to capitalize financially on the life and tragic death of Anna Nicole Smith. The defendants have exploited Smith's life and death by publishing false and defamatory factual accusations against Stern," said the papers filed in United States District court for the southern district of New York State.

Papers go on to say that Cosby also falsely accused Stern of "lewd criminal acts, homosexual acts, possessing and using cocaine, conspiring to commit murder, pimping and prostitution." There are 14 other additional charges listed in the suit including one that Cosby claimed Stern was having a homosexual love affair with Larry Birkhead, the father of Smith's youngest child.

Stern is seeking at least US$60 million in damages and the suit states that a jury is requested if the case goes to trial.

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North Korea agrees to disable its main nuclear reactor

October 4, 2007 North Korea has agreed to disable its main nuclear reactor in Yongbyon and to give complete details of its nuclear program by December 31, 2007, and "not to transfer nuclear materials, technology or know-how," according to a statement issued in Beijing. The agreement was reached as a result of negotiations involving six nations: China, the United States, Japan, Russia, North Korea, and South Korea. As a result, the United States said that it would work with North Korea to remove it from the U.S. list of terrorism sponsors.

U.S. President George W. Bush welcomed the announcement. Bush spokesman Gordon Johndroe called North Korea's pledge "a major step towards the goal of achieving the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean peninsula."

Nevertheless, the announcement left some important questions unanswered. "The biggest question is about their uranium enrichment," said Gary Samore, an analyst with the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. "They have agreed to provide a declaration by the end of the year, but there is no process for verifying it. The danger is that North Korea will make the declaration, the U.S. will question it, and they will say take it or leave it," Samore said.

North Korea's announcement came amid an historic summit between South Korea's President Roh Moo-hyun and North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, only the second such meeting since the end of the Korean War.

Linking the North Korean and Iranian nuclear crises, U.S. President George W. Bush said that he would be willing to meet with Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if he were to make a similar move. "We are willing to sit down with him so long as he suspends his program, his nuclear weapons program," he said.


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North and South Korea sign peace pact

October 4, 2007 In a historic turn of events, Kim Jong-il, the leader of North Korea, and Roh Moo-hyun, the leader of South Korea, have signed the Declaration on the Advancement of South-North Relations, Peace and Prosperity, an 8-item declaration of "permanent peace," just two days after the two leaders met for a rare Inter-Korean Summit which began on October 2.

Though not a formal peace treaty, the pact stated that, "The South and North share the view that they should end the current armistice system and build up a permanent peace system," and that they "agreed to closely co-operate to end military hostility and ensure peace and easing of tension on the Korean peninsula." "We agreed to make a firm commitment to achieving peace and prosperity on the Korean Peninsula. We shared the need to map out our measures for Korean peace for the future," said Roh.

The pact includes restarting cross-border freight transportation, which had been banned for over 50 years, creates a joint operation for disputed areas of the ocean and also calls for a new armistice.

The deal invites all "concerned" nations, particularly the United States and China, to the Korean Peninsula to observe the end to the war of 1950-1953, otherwise known as the Korean War. The leaders also agreed on the two nations meeting regularly for summits.

Both the leaders signed the pact and then shook hands. They then proposed a toast and drank to the deal in a celebration. This is only the second time in history that leaders of the two nations have met face to face.

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Comments:North and South Korea sign peace pact

I have always found it weird
N Korea and S Korea have had a De Facto peace for more than 50 years, probably one of the longest truces in history, and now they have De Jure peace document signed. It seems misleading to say that they are declaring that they are at peace, they have been at peace for half a century, they are just making it official. Contralya 09:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * USSR/USA didn't consider the Cold War as a form of peace. What has gone on within the two halves of Korea is another Cold War. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm if they are officially announcing that they are at peace then I would say that they are declaring it. --170.65.128.6 11:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The comments above incline me to change the title of the article and its first statement, as a formal peace agreement has 'not' been signed. I believe they are 'de jure' still at war. See also the talk page (and of course the document itself, see external links). Regards Sean Heron 21:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No they were not at peace, there was an armistice, a cease fire. They were still technically at war, like Israel is still at war with Syria and Lebanon. At any moment, North Korea could attack South Korea. Now they are talking about being formally at peace. War don't necessarily to send shot at each other in diplomatic relation. Look at for example the situation of France and Germany in 1939, they are at war but they wasn't a shot between each other.

This is the start of the greatest news story on modern day history
let's keep the leaders in our prayers; they are doing the right thing. Let's hope the Korean citizens and the world can understand and see. This is the model of peace that the rest of the world can apply.

What? They have been at peace for half a century, I would hardly call that a beacon for peace. A beacon for peace would be something like Sunni and Shi'a declaring peace. You should read up on the Korean war and the two Koreas. Contralya 08:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I dont know, i mean, Mexico sure as hell doesnt have the same amount of artillery facing Washington DC in the same way that NK has against Seoul (neither does Canada, now that we are at it). If well its true that they have been in a rather "peaceful stance", that is not the same as being in peace. There have been a few skirmishes between the two militaries for the past years since the armistice, but generally citizens from both Koreas usually have nothing against the other country (which is why many south koreans resent USA, as they feel they are the only thing that is keeping both Koreas at war).


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Australian government approves Tasmanian pulp mill

October 4, 2007

The Australian government has announced that the Gunns pulp mill will go ahead. Minister for the Environment and Water Resources Malcolm Turnbull made the announcement, claiming that the mill would be subject to stringent restrictions. “I have accepted the independent, scientific advice of the Chief Scientist and his panel of scientific experts and have released his report, together with my decision today,” Mr Turnbull said in a media release.

In a media release issued by Peter Garrett and Kerry O'Brien, Labor stated that they supported the decision. "Federal Labor has always supported a world class mill for Tasmania that achieves best practice environmental outcomes and reduces woodchip exports in favour of economically beneficial downstream value adding processing," the statement said. However, Labor criticised Malcolm Turnbull's handling of the decision process. "The original assessment process put in place by Mr Turnbull was completely inadequate – a fact he was forced to concede when he belatedly sought advice from the Chief Scientist."

Prime Minister John Howard stood by Turnbull. "I think Mr Turnbull has handled this splendidly. He's consulted the Chief Scientist, he's announced a decision which reflects the advice of the Chief Scientist, and the Opposition has got to say where it really stands," he said in an interview.

The Greens criticised the decision. “Today’s pulp mill decision is yet another approval under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act for a proposal which will damage the environment,” said environmental lawyer and Greens Senate candidate for Queensland Larissa Waters.


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This article was written using media releases and interview transcripts from the Department of Environment and Water Resources, the office of the Prime Minister of Australia, the Australian Labor Party, and the Australian Greens. No other news agencies were used to write this article. - Borofkin 09:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


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It appears that the addition of the stats code has broken the Comments tab, anyone able to figure out the problem? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Seems ok at present, presumably if there was a conflict it's been fixed? --brion (talk) 16:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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The tooltip for the the URL shortener in the Toolbox reads "Make a enwn.nwt shortcut for this page". It should say "enwn.net", not "enwn.nwt". Thanks. Reach Out to the Truth (talk) 15:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

 * ✅ Tempodivalse [talk]  16:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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A while back, pursuant to this discussion, I added to template tasks a message about 'when it's ready to be reviewed again, change the tag to  '. "Change" is supposed to be a button, like on template develop, but that takes javascript infrastructure. I did code the template as if there were already a hook for tasks_to_review_link, parallel to the existing hook for develop_to_review_link here. (At least, I think I did.) Could we add the code here to support tasks_to_review_link? --Pi zero (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer to re-use the same code as on develop and make that button remove both develop and tasks. Is that ok? Bawolff ☺☻ 19:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. I think at the time I had in mind a reason for a separate hook, but since I can't now recreate what that reason was, we might as well assume conveniently that it wasn't a good reason.  --Pi zero (talk) 23:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * did this earlier today, forgot to mark it as ✅. 24.65.69.94 (talk) 00:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the code for the custom button entirely, as old javascript has become extremely unreliable and a dialog-based button is now in use. --Pi zero (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Comments:North Korea agrees to disable its main nuclear reactor

Nuclear = Terrorist ?
Nuclear = Terrorist ?
 * I think it's less about being nuclear and more about being nucealr with the kind of government N. Korea has.--204.58.123.10 17:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd be more afraid of a government that holds the largest, or second largest, number of nuclear weapons in the world, and became a foreign occupier on false pretenses. I don't know, that's just me. Wikisoup 18:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


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Australian treasurer declares that he is "a lot of fun"

October 4, 2007

Australian Treasurer Peter Costello said today that he was "a lot of fun" while he was outlining his plans for Australia as a possible future Prime Minister.

During an interview with ABC Radio, Mr Costello was asked to say something about himself that the public didn't know. Mr Costello's replied "That I'm a lot of fun - a lot of fun and good company."

Costello, who is considered current Australian Prime Minister John Howard's likely successor when he retires, said he was not expecting an easy rise to the Prime Ministership, admitting that the forthcoming federal election would be difficult.

The treasurer said "If you read polls, then (Kevin) Rudd is in front and he's already carrying on as if he's got the election in the bag,"

"I would say an election is not over until all of the votes have been counted on the polling day, and I think it will be a hard-fought election."

Mr Costello also outlined his vision for Australia should he become Prime Minister in the future centering his platform upon education and water.

"I think we need first, a first-class technical school system in this country, training people for trades," Mr Costello said.

"I think we need improved standards of literacy in our primary and secondary schools and I think we need better facilities at the tertiary level."

The treasurer admitted that education was one of his key priorities as he had been a university tutor and had a father who was a teacher. Speaking of his father, Costello said "I watched him influence generations of students,"

"I know the difference that a good school teacher makes in a person's life and I believe in the importance of education."

Mr Costello also said that Australia would need to carefully manage its water resources for the future.

"We have to manage our water better, we have to invest in water better, we have to harness water better, we have to price water better," he said.

"I think we really do have a water crisis in this country and it's something that we're going to have to deal with in order to keep our country growing and our lifestyle up in the decades which lie ahead." Mr Costello criticised state governments for failing to invest in water infrastructure and predicted desalination plants would have a major role to play in securing the nation's water supply.

"There has not been enough investment in dams, there has not been enough investment in pipes, in irrigation canals and I think we're going to have to look very, very carefully at desalination plants for our major capital cities," said the Australian Treasurer.


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AFL: Gary Ablett wins Geelong's best and fairest

October 4, 2007

Geelong star Gary Ablett tonight took out the 2007 AFL premiers' best and fairest award, the Carji Greeves Medal, well clear of runner-up - Brownlow medallist, Jimmy Bartel.

Ablett polled 691 votes, 178 more than runner-up Bartel, with Cameron Ling 11 votes back, for 167 in third place.

Ablett's win capped a stellar year in which he also won the AFL Players Association's Most Valuable Player award, and was named the Coaches' Association's player of the year. He polled votes in every one of his 22 home-and-away matches, and was voted best-on-ground in seven games.

He joins his father Gary Ablett Sr. as a best and fairest winner, with Ablett Sr having earned the award in 1984.

The award remains elusive for Brownlow medallist Bartel. It was the second straight year in which he was runner-up, having trailed Paul Chapman last season.

In other awards handed out by the club tonight:
 * Best First-year Player: won by Joel Selwood, winner of the AFL Rising Star award.
 * Best Clubman: went to defender Matthew Egan, who missed the finals series through injury.


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