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Talk:711chan.org administrator calls for an end to attacks on Scientology

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I interviewed Inaki through e-mail. I can forward the correspondents to anyone who asks for them as there are too many to post here. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You interviewed one administrator. Are you sure this is the view held by all 711chan admins, or should we change the title of this article to administrator, singular?  -- "711chan.org administrator calls for an end to attacks on Scientology"  Cirt 17:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

''':Someone should add that, while Inaki (and, it seems, 711chan as a whole) no longer wish to be one of the raid headquarters, that the raid still continues. This article is written as if the raid is over, whereas the statistics (look up Scientology.org and its sister sites on Alexa) prove otherwise. This article does NOT have a NPOV, and it is the duty of any legitimate, upstanding Wikian to change that.'''
 * This person is in charge of administration...basically the brains and hardware behind 711chan. He/she is the one who controls the machines/servers that the site is hosted on. So as far as I know, this is as high as it can get. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But still, can we really say this is the opinion of more than one administrator? Cirt 17:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I can say that if he/she holds that view, then he/she has a say in what the other admins do...or the site doesn't come back I would assume...but if he/she is in control of the site, then they are the top voice... DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should move the article to: "711chan.org administrator calls for an end to attacks on Scientology" - unless you can get some specific feedback that it's more than the one admin? Cirt 17:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that it was moved, thanks. Cirt 18:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

'''Your article is misleading. Anonymous is a leaderless movement. Is the 711chan admin a LEADER of Anonymous? A spokesperson who is officially declaring the end of the war? Or just a chan administrator who is saying that he's not involved with the war?''' ''':This is 711chan stating that Anonymous cannot continue discussing the attack on the site any longer. The movement spawned out of a topic on 711chan, which is why it was tied to the attacks in the minds of a large number of people. 711chan, as a result, suffered its own attacks (The Regime). Essentially, this is a request to find someplace else to discuss the ongoing conflict so 711chan doesn't get hit again, rather than a call to actually end the attacks altogether. The staff just doesn't want to deal with the fallout of something it isn't, strictly speaking, involved in. That said, the only thing this really changes is the IRC server for Anon's discussion of the conflict. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.177.201 (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC) '''

The article mentions a quote from the 711chan.org website. The quote is unsourced, Can there be a reference/quote/confirmation of its legitimacy if the 711chan.org site is offline? 58.178.218.150 19:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The link where it says the screen shot. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And the interview i had with the owner. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the actual legitimacy of the site admin towards the Scientology war anyway? It doesn't really affect the attacks that much because people who are in Anonymous aren't listening to him. It just sounds like this guy isn't that significant. Also, he's using an alias that makes me want to crack up every time I see it. -- Observer from the sidelines

The Title Is A Lie
711Chan hasn't called for an end to the action against the Church of Scientology, they have simply said that the "raid" needs to be decentralised and that the "raid" will no longer be hosted by their (or their affiliates) sites. Change the title. Fallen-Griever 18:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree and I logged on to write this complaint before I knew this had already been brought up. nowhere in plasma's comments does he call for an end to the attacks. From the message he published when the site went down, it seemed he was still in favour of the attacks continuing without him. is there a record anywhere of that message? 01:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Image
Can we use that Imageshack screenshot in the article? Cirt 16:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I decided not to because I don't want to write a fair use rational to do so. Linking it I thought was better...but that's just me. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's fine. Cirt 17:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Transfer of talk from 711Chan Admins Stop Hosting "Project Chanology"
''Below is the content of the talk page from 711Chan Admins Stop Hosting "Project Chanology" which was created via a manual page-move. It now redirects here. --SVTCobra'' 01:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * FGS, just look at the comments by readers and the comments by other people on here - the title was clearly misleading and angering a lot of people due to the fact it was false. The writer of the article totally misquoted the source and the title deserved to be changed due to that. Fallen-Griever 14:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
This is just a copy of the article previously. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The title was a blatant lie. Fallen-Griever 01:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so...but you did it so that I cannot find a way to revert. Please revert. This was an interview based on evidence at the time...this is also an old article. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should read your "interview" again, then. Neither the interview nor the page currently up over at 711 mention "stopping" the Project. It simply states that 711 won't be hosting it anymore. There's even advice for what Anonymous needs to do to keep the raid successful; even if it is in /b/tard speak. Fallen-Griever 01:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No where does it say anything about then not hosting it. Put plain and simple, the person I spoke to owns the machines 711chan is on. So whatever he says goes. His organization is NOT endorsing the attack any longer. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * On the 711Chan site, right now, it says "We are sorry to inform you that any more of this Scientology stuff will no longer be allowed on this network due to the epic amounts of spam, namefagging, and bullshit that goes on. You may feel free to use our Wiki as a base, but 711chan will no longer support the 'raid' either." Nowhere does it call for the raid to end, simply that 711 won't host anything to do with it anymore for the reasons given. It even gives advice to Anon who want to continue the raid. Hence, the title of the previous article was a loaded statement and, moreover, a lie. It's quite plain to see. Fallen-Griever 01:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I interviewed the owner of 711chan. He/she ended 711chan's raid/attack on scientology. He/she is the source. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Anonymous is not 711Chan, hence the title was wrong. Thanks for proving me right. Fallen-Griever 02:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No one ever said they were. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Facepalm.jpg. He/she never said "Anonymous needs to stop the raid" or ANY WORD TO THAT EFFECT. Not on the 711chan page now nor in the interview you took with them. Therefore, the name of the news story was misleading, loaded and wrong and needs to be changed. If you can show me where the admin specifically said any words to that effect I'll be amazed, because there's nothing like that in the article and there's nothing like that on the website right now. Offering ADVICE ON HOW TO CONTINUE is not the same as telling it to stop. Fallen-Griever 22:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I am telling you I interviewed the Admin PERSONALLY. And if you don't like what they ahd to say, that's not my problem. Whether or not you accept their words does not matter. they said this and that's that. I will not change what they said because you don't want to believe them or otherwise. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "If [I] don't like what they ahd [sic] to say"..? What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with me liking or disliking what they had to say, this is about you MISQUOTING them. They NEVER SAID WHAT THAT TITLE CLAIMS. They said they won't support the raid, not that the raid should stop - these are two completely different concepts. They never explicitly said "Anon should stop the attack" or any words to that effect, and your reluctance to show me any evidence of such is only testament to the fact you cannot provide said evidence. If you don't like what your source has said, don't go around misquoting them.

 * Here is a quote from the talk page of the original which outlines my point:

 * "This is 711chan stating that Anonymous cannot continue discussing the attack on the site any longer. The movement spawned out of a topic on 711chan, which is why it was tied to the attacks in the minds of a large number of people. 711chan, as a result, suffered its own attacks (The Regime). Essentially, this is a request to find someplace else to discuss the ongoing conflict so 711chan doesn't get hit again, rather than a call to actually end the attacks altogether. The staff just doesn't want to deal with the fallout of something it isn't, strictly speaking, involved in. That said, the only thing this really changes is the IRC server for Anon's discussion of the conflict."

 * Now change the god damn title. Fallen-Griever 00:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the confusion is arising due to a difference in understanding of what 711chan is. Technically speaking, it is correct that when the admin says 711chan will no longer be allowed to raid, this is correct. However, 711 is not a group, and was never actually raiding in the first place. Picture it in terms of a real life. Anonymous is an army. 711chan was an HQ. Unfortunately, the person who owns the "building" that is 711chan is tired of the other side messing with his house so he decided to kick everyone out and tell them to go use the shed out back instead (the wiki). The admin did not necessarily like the fighting, but unless I'm missing something else from the interview that is not currently available, this does appear to be a case of the administration telling Anon to go play ball outtside so they don't break the furniture rather than telling them to stop altogether, which actually is what your original title implied. While I'm fairly certain that the edi was handled was incredibly stupid and fairly pointless, it is, nevertheless, correct. If you have some other text from the intervie that contradicts this, you may want to make it available. Otherwise, it seems as if the "call to end attacks" is a conclusion that is contradicted by what is stated elsewhere and was not directly pointed to in the interview itself. Please remember, 711chan is a place. Ceasing to "host" a raid means people can't go there to tak about it. It does not mean that people going there are even dissuaded from actually participating. 67.84.177.201 00:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Nail, head, etc. Fallen-Griever 14:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * It seems to be a rename without using "rename", the other article was changed to a redirect. --SVTCobra 01:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Why not just rename this article properly, then? 128.253.240.67 01:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:711chan.org administrator calls for an end to attacks on Scientology

False information, probably by a scientologist, if not it's ridiculously sensationalist. 711chan didn't have and still doesnt have hardly anything to do with the attacks, they are just saying on the front page that they do not endorse the attacks because they can't take the ddos attacks from a bunch of hackers called "regime" who are hacking 711chan to piss people off and make a name for themselves. There are 10 times more people working on the attacks then when it started, no momentum has been lost, get that straight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.198.93 (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * never would have left the user boards, if someone didn't leak it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are you speaking like 711chan was some super secret forum that had to have information about Anonymous leaked? That's ridiculous. The way you are presenting things make me think that you didn't spend enough time investigating before you decided to make an assumption and report based on that. --Observer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.66.114 (talk) 11:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

4chan is NOT an affiliate of 711 chan. This needs to be changed.
 * Wikipedia says otherwise. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No he's right Jason, the "chans" in general are not releated, yes they are mostly affiliated to 4chan, since some users will browse more than one "chan", (at least I (OH NOES RULES 1 AND 2 BROKEN!!) and couple of friends do) but for the most part, all "chans" are usually spinoffs, splits or factions, all descended from one another until it works it way up the chain to 4chan which was inspired by the Japanese orginal, 2chan. The "chans" are affiliated I would say in the loosest definition possible, which could summed up as being held together by a thread the size of human hair that is over 9000 miles long and made of epic fail cake. --TUFKAAP 18:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Dude, you fail. First of all, 711chan might have been involved with Anonymous but it was always informal. Anyone who does any sort of research would find that out. Second of all, 711 backed out but Anonymous is still going ahead. It doesn't mean that the war is over. Thirdly, 711 aren't responsible for finding out the info for the Regime, it was another group loosely affiliated with Anonymous that did it. Finally, there's a difference between the wiki Partyvan and the IRC Partyvan. IF YOU WERE LITERATE, you would notice that the wiki is partyvan.INFO while the IRC was partyvan.ORG The administrators are different and the fact that Anonymous is still going even after the shakeup because the admin of loosely affiliated boards and IRC channels backed off emphasizes just how leaderless Anonymous is. The two other articles were much better because everything was well sourced and more even. This article requires a great deal of work as it is very knee-jerk reaction and very shallow.
 * Well, then edit it why don't you! I mean here you have the chance to pass yourselves off as factual this time in instead of the usual "HOLY SHIT, HACKERS ON STEROIDS INTERNET HATE MACHINE, HOLY FUCK BUY DOG CURTAINS THAT CANNOT BE HURT BY YELLOW EXPLODING VANS!" Cruise control, CAPS, etc etc. --TUFKAAP 18:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's only just begun
Feb 10th 2008

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DhIRbGAtGBc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.137.9 (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

711chan NOT the HQ
If you wish to be involved in the raid on scientology, DO NOT go to 711chan. 711chan may have been where the ideas originated, but it is NOT the base of operations. Instead, Anonymous urges you to do your own research about the truth behind scientology, not the LIES that the "church" feeds to the public. If you have found that you also wish to help in the war against the suppression of free speech, then please write to your local congressperson and ask that scientology's tax exempt status be revoked. If you want to join the Legion on the front lines, then join Project Chanology: http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology. Remember, "Oppression can only survive through silence." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.102.242 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Partyvan also denounced the attacks and calls Anonymous "a threat to their network." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If that is the case why is it featured on their Main Page as "Current Major Raid" ? Cirt 17:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know...not updated? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the page currently off line? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not offline, it's just not clicking through from Wikinews.org for some reason. Try the http://www.partyvan.info into your address bar directly.  I can access it and it says, "Current Major Raid: Project Chanology" ...  Cirt 17:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know...probably not updated. Based on what I have, the raid is done on partyvan. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that is only one person's opinion - there is major stuff planned for February 10, 2008. Also, the site is still undergoing active edits and updating to all the subpages related to Project Chanology.  Cirt 17:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the case, but that does not mean partyvan endorses the raid(s). DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, so according to your source, they are not endorsing the raids. But it's still listed as "Current Major Raid: Project Chanology" on the Main Page, there is a major peaceful protest planned for February 10, 2008, and the subpages are still pretty active.  Weird, but oh well.  Cirt 17:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You said the keyword: Peacefull protest. The Web raid, which they were doing, and subsequent raids, are no longer endorsed or planned and anyone doing it is acting without partyvan's approval or endorsement. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Cirt 17:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The interview. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And screen shot. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait a sec, there were 2 interviews, one 2/ a 711chan person, and one w/ a partyvan person? Cirt 18:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No. the admin/owner said so...and so does the 711chan screen shot. I would assume based on the situation they have contact. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Cirt 18:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when are "assumptions" encouraged in reporting? Did you ask the 711chan.org admin if he spoke for Anonymous? All it seems like to me (after actually parsing through your words to get through your obvious disdain of the attacks, which is not NPOV) is that only one person said anything. It is debatable whether or not what he has to say is noteworthy or even good material for one article. I do not see how their having "contact" and then 711chan.org formally declaring that they are not involved is newsworthy. The reason Project Chanology and Anonymous was newsworthy was that they were a loose coalition of Internet groups, of which 711chan was ONE of them and loosely/informally associated. I don't see how this article is newsworthy unless you expand it considerably beyond your original "interview."

For the love of god the raid is not over
This article makes it sound as if the raids are over, which is 100% false! Please stop this misinformation! Sneakernets 18:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
I think this page needs to be deleted. This article is misleading in that the 711chan.org admin speaks for Anonymous and has the power to cancel the attacks on Scientology and in addition, the scope of the article is too narrow. It is at least 50% quotes without much writing in between. The writing that does appear in between is poorly researched and not cited properly. There is also lack of proofreading and I don't think it holds to the NPOV at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.66.114 (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

not true
if you knew anything about our collective you'd knew that anon decided to show himself willingly. Besides, there is a clear diffrence betweem /b/, and /i/. The posted story is Scientology's propaganda. 711 is still cooperating with anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.47.203 (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete this article
This gives the impression that the war is over, which couldn't be more wrong. Even though we are not officially supported by the administrators of 711chan, and (maybe?) have been kicked of the partyvan IRC, we still have alternative forums and IRC channels.

Again, this is NOT OVER. It has barely begun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.161.162 (talk) 21:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree, there are serious factual flaws in this article. It's only starting. 85.156.249.192 00:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

fake news —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.131.180 (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not once does it say its over in the article. Not once. All it says is that 711chan calls for an end to the attacks. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

lame
It's all getting lame and less interesting, they should have just stuck with the video, that was cool. Nyarlathotep 15:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The Rules
Only apply during raids. This is a fucking war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.22.91.4 (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

711 chan != 4chan
They do not represent 4chan, the attacks on CoS will conintue as planned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.100.220.2 (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Transferred commentary posted at 711Chan Admins Stop Hosting "Project Chanology"
False information, probably by a scientologist, if not it's ridiculously sensationalist. 711chan didn't have and still doesnt have hardly anything to do with the attacks, they are just saying on the front page that they do not endorse the attacks because they can't take the ddos attacks from a bunch of hackers called "regime" who are hacking 711chan to piss people off and make a name for themselves. There are 10 times more people working on the attacks then when it started, no momentum has been lost, get that straight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.198.93 (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * never would have left the user boards, if someone didn't leak it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are you speaking like 711chan was some super secret forum that had to have information about Anonymous leaked? That's ridiculous. The way you are presenting things make me think that you didn't spend enough time investigating before you decided to make an assumption and report based on that. --Observer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.66.114 (talk) 11:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

4chan is NOT an affiliate of 711 chan. This needs to be changed.
 * Wikipedia says otherwise. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No he's right Jason, the "chans" in general are not releated, yes they are mostly affiliated to 4chan, since some users will browse more than one "chan", (at least I (OH NOES RULES 1 AND 2 BROKEN!!) and couple of friends do) but for the most part, all "chans" are usually spinoffs, splits or factions, all descended from one another until it works it way up the chain to 4chan which was inspired by the Japanese orginal, 2chan. The "chans" are affiliated I would say in the loosest definition possible, which could summed up as being held together by a thread the size of human hair that is over 9000 miles long and made of epic fail cake. --TUFKAAP 18:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Dude, you fail. First of all, 711chan might have been involved with Anonymous but it was always informal. Anyone who does any sort of research would find that out. Second of all, 711 backed out but Anonymous is still going ahead. It doesn't mean that the war is over. Thirdly, 711 aren't responsible for finding out the info for the Regime, it was another group loosely affiliated with Anonymous that did it. Finally, there's a difference between the wiki Partyvan and the IRC Partyvan. IF YOU WERE LITERATE, you would notice that the wiki is partyvan.INFO while the IRC was partyvan.ORG The administrators are different and the fact that Anonymous is still going even after the shakeup because the admin of loosely affiliated boards and IRC channels backed off emphasizes just how leaderless Anonymous is. The two other articles were much better because everything was well sourced and more even. This article requires a great deal of work as it is very knee-jerk reaction and very shallow.
 * Well, then edit it why don't you! I mean here you have the chance to pass yourselves off as factual this time in instead of the usual "HOLY SHIT, HACKERS ON STEROIDS INTERNET HATE MACHINE, HOLY FUCK BUY DOG CURTAINS THAT CANNOT BE HURT BY YELLOW EXPLODING VANS!" Cruise control, CAPS, etc etc. --TUFKAAP 18:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's only just begun
Feb 10th 2008

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DhIRbGAtGBc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.137.9 (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

711chan NOT the HQ
If you wish to be involved in the raid on scientology, DO NOT go to 711chan. 711chan may have been where the ideas originated, but it is NOT the base of operations. Instead, Anonymous urges you to do your own research about the truth behind scientology, not the LIES that the "church" feeds to the public. If you have found that you also wish to help in the war against the suppression of free speech, then please write to your local congressperson and ask that scientology's tax exempt status be revoked. If you want to join the Legion on the front lines, then join Project Chanology: http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology. Remember, "Oppression can only survive through silence." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.102.242 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Partyvan also denounced the attacks and calls Anonymous "a threat to their network." DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If that is the case why is it featured on their Main Page as "Current Major Raid" ? Cirt 17:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know...not updated? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the page currently off line? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not offline, it's just not clicking through from Wikinews.org for some reason. Try the http://www.partyvan.info into your address bar directly.  I can access it and it says, "Current Major Raid: Project Chanology" ...  Cirt 17:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know...probably not updated. Based on what I have, the raid is done on partyvan. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that is only one person's opinion - there is major stuff planned for February 10, 2008. Also, the site is still undergoing active edits and updating to all the subpages related to Project Chanology.  Cirt 17:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the case, but that does not mean partyvan endorses the raid(s). DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, so according to your source, they are not endorsing the raids. But it's still listed as "Current Major Raid: Project Chanology" on the Main Page, there is a major peaceful protest planned for February 10, 2008, and the subpages are still pretty active.  Weird, but oh well.  Cirt 17:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You said the keyword: Peacefull protest. The Web raid, which they were doing, and subsequent raids, are no longer endorsed or planned and anyone doing it is acting without partyvan's approval or endorsement. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Cirt 17:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The interview. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And screen shot. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait a sec, there were 2 interviews, one 2/ a 711chan person, and one w/ a partyvan person? Cirt 18:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No. the admin/owner said so...and so does the 711chan screen shot. I would assume based on the situation they have contact. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Cirt 18:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when are "assumptions" encouraged in reporting? Did you ask the 711chan.org admin if he spoke for Anonymous? All it seems like to me (after actually parsing through your words to get through your obvious disdain of the attacks, which is not NPOV) is that only one person said anything. It is debatable whether or not what he has to say is noteworthy or even good material for one article. I do not see how their having "contact" and then 711chan.org formally declaring that they are not involved is newsworthy. The reason Project Chanology and Anonymous was newsworthy was that they were a loose coalition of Internet groups, of which 711chan was ONE of them and loosely/informally associated. I don't see how this article is newsworthy unless you expand it considerably beyond your original "interview."

For the love of god the raid is not over
This article makes it sound as if the raids are over, which is 100% false! Please stop this misinformation! Sneakernets 18:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
I think this page needs to be deleted. This article is misleading in that the 711chan.org admin speaks for Anonymous and has the power to cancel the attacks on Scientology and in addition, the scope of the article is too narrow. It is at least 50% quotes without much writing in between. The writing that does appear in between is poorly researched and not cited properly. There is also lack of proofreading and I don't think it holds to the NPOV at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.66.114 (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

not true
if you knew anything about our collective you'd knew that anon decided to show himself willingly. Besides, there is a clear diffrence betweem /b/, and /i/. The posted story is Scientology's propaganda. 711 is still cooperating with anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.47.203 (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete this article
This gives the impression that the war is over, which couldn't be more wrong. Even though we are not officially supported by the administrators of 711chan, and (maybe?) have been kicked of the partyvan IRC, we still have alternative forums and IRC channels.

Again, this is NOT OVER. It has barely begun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.161.162 (talk) 21:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree, there are serious factual flaws in this article. It's only starting. 85.156.249.192 00:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

fake news —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.131.180 (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not once does it say its over in the article. Not once. All it says is that 711chan calls for an end to the attacks. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

lame
It's all getting lame and less interesting, they should have just stuck with the video, that was cool. Nyarlathotep 15:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The Rules
Only apply during raids. This is a fucking war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.22.91.4 (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

711 chan != 4chan
They do not represent 4chan, the attacks on CoS will conintue as planned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.100.220.2 (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC) this is something that is stupid.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.83.111.254 (talk) 15:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

this is complete bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.68.3 (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop right there
Don't post rules one and two for god's sake.

This is no raid
This is no raid. This is no battle. This is no pool block ffs. This is a war against a fascist regime that terrorizes insecure people and robs them of their livlihood. They have awoken the beast that is Anonymous and now they must face the consquences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.108.32 (talk) 20:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

it whould have gone better if you didint let so many damn loud mouth  disrespectful arogant ignorent trash into the raid if whould have gone better. these days you cant trust no one for the sure fact everyone is out for themselfs and not for a couse and 2. they dont care about nothing besides themselfs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.165.16 (talk) 15:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

well if they whould Recurit and not just ask for all hackers to unite you might get somewere
when building a army you must know and have all the members know there shit and not let everyone know what the hell u are doing  just why you are doing it. you guys need to make your own privte cyber army and not let any damn noob with a pc and some knowage of hacking into your group  you need to know if they are loyal to what you are fighting  for also if they even know what they are doing or geting them selfs into.

cant let any arogants,loudmouths,selfcenter thinking members into the unit ofther wise they will turn on you when the chance arises.

:)
ahahahhaa! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.121.81 (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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711chan.org administrator calls for an end to attacks on Scientology

January 28, 2008

Administrators for 711chan.org, one of the websites responsible for starting Project Chanology, a "raid" or attack against the Church of Scientology and their website, slowed down their "attack".

In an exclusive interview with Wikinews, an administrator of 711chan states that they will "probably stay away from the CoS [Church of Scientology]."

"We're probably just going to stay away from the CoS raid. It was poorly managed. We could've brought down a lot more if we weren't just a bunch of unorganized brats," said 'Plasma', an administrator on 711chan.org.

"Many people from 711chan still want to raid, but the administration is sick of it," added Plasma who also stated that "Partyvan IRC actually has decided to remove the raid."

Much of the reason stems from the fact that the attack on the Church was meant to stay within 711chan and that users were to stay "anonymous." An e-mail was leaked on the internet when the attack began exposing the script used to attack the Church's website.

"This is not what the raid originally started as. Partyvan declares this as a threat to the network, and Anonymous alike. We have been under constant botnet attacks, 711chan hacked, and tons of drama over this. You guys did a very poor job of staying Anonymous. It's obvious that a lot of you broke rules 1, and 2," said a statement on 711chan's website.

The rules they refer to, according to Plasma, mean the "Rules of the Internet" and are: "#Do not talk about /b/ (Only applies to raids.)
 * 1) Do NOT talk about /b/ (eBaums did it.)"

Both key rules were broken by users, according to Plasma.

The attack on Scientology was launched on Wednesday January 16 by a group labelled "Anonymous", on the website "Insurgency Wiki", a spinoff of 4chan which is also affiliated with 711chan. The "History" section of the site explains, in a satirical fashion, that the incident was prompted by the Church of Scientology's attempts to remove a promotional video featuring Scientologist Tom Cruise from YouTube. Though YouTube complied with the Church of Scientology's requests to take down the video, other sites such as Gawker.com stated that they will keep hosting the video.

One poster admitted to being a part of the effort, writing in a blog post "I have myself, as per instructions, loaded up Gigaloader and started bombarding the Scientology homepage. Theres [sic] something in the hilarious anarchy of the net that produces these 'events' every now and again." The poster wrote that "Prompted I think by the Tom Cruise video, a new obsession is taking hold on the internet. An insurgency against The Church of Scientology."

Not long after their attack, a previously unknown group called The Regime used keylogging to gain an administrator password to 711chan.org.

"I was actually away from home when I noticed my personal dedi was compromised (my bash_history file had lots of strange entries), so I informed Partyvan IRC staff (the CoS raid room as well as 711chan's IRC room are there) and minutes later, 711chan's machine was also compromised. I arrived home around an hour later, and immediately restored the contents of the 711 machine back to a previous state. I also got the passwords reset on my dedi and that was back in order. I went to bed shortly after that," said Plasma in regards to The Regime's attack on 711chan.

"The next morning I wake up to hundreds of MSN windows and emails telling me both servers have been compromised again, and our backups for 711 have been removed. The software we use to run 711chan's machine got bugged up somehow and make it difficult for me to fix things, which is why the site didn't respond at all for most of the day. At the time of writing this I still haven't got the backups reloaded onto the machine," added Plasma.

Plasma states that 711chan.org will be off line at least until the end of January, possibly longer, but the site is not expected to change.

"I shut down our server to prevent any more damage. Right now, our plan is to lay low and get stuff started up on a more secure machine. We'll be back up by the end of the month, hopefully. 711chan will probably be staying the same it is, however," said Plasma.

But they didn't go down without a fight adds Plasma.

"As who the "Regime" is? I took a look at one of the things they planted on my machine, which lead me to #!!regime on GameSurge IRC. `immortal' and about 30 drones were in that channel. Members of the g00ns community (allies of 711, also linked to Partyvan IRC) found out they had dox (documents such as phone numbers, addresses, SSN numbers, names, that sort of thing) on `immortal' and his wife. I actually have these details and attempted to call him, but it went unanswered," said Plasma.

The information that 711chan.org obtained was later posted on the website operated by The Regime. Wikinews has attempted to contact The Regime a second time regarding the incident, and they have only replied with "your articles are bullshit."


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West Wing of White House evacuated

January 28, 2008 The United States has evacuated the  of the  in Washington, D.C. after finding a suspicious package. Reports say the package was found on the grounds of the White House just outside the West Wing.

One person has been arrested after the Secret Service says he made a "verbal threat against the President" of the U.S. George W. Bush through the fence near the West Wing. He also left the package on the White House grounds.

"We had an individual arrested for making a threat against the president on the fence line. He left behind a suspicious package," said a spokesman for the Secret Service, Malcolm Wiley. No name has been released, and it is not known what he will be charged with. Reports say the man was somewhere in his 40's. He was bald and wore a brown leather jacket.

Officials for the bomb squad are investigating the package, but say that nothing inside it was harmful.

The area was briefly closed to any members of the public.

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Pakistani president, British PM meet in London

January 28, 2008

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf held talks with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in London on Tuesday, reassuring his host that Pakistan will hold a fair election next month and is ready to continue a sustained fight against terrorism and extremism.

The visit has been widely called President Musharraf's "charm offensive." The Pakistani leader has held talks in Brussels, Paris, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland and now in London in an effort which has been seen as an attempt to shore up European support for his government.

His message throughout has been much the same - namely that Pakistan has been successful in fighting Islamic extremists, that his government can sustain that effort, that it has a political strategy to wean local Pakistanis away from extremist ideology and that it is committed to democracy.

Speaking at a joint news conference with Prime Minister Gordon Brown, President Musharraf rejected the notion that his government has failed in its efforts.

"We have not failed. We are going along fighting al Qaida, fighting militant Taleban and fighting Talebanization flowing outside," he said. "And also fighting extremism in some segments of our society in Pakistan."

"The question that needs to be asked is how come if General Musharraf is our best bet to fight terrorism, how come terrorism is increasing by leaps and bounds. Last year was the bloodiest year for Pakistan, culminating in the assassination of [opposition leader] Benazir Bhutto," said Khan.

President Musharraf's government has come under increasing criticism at home and abroad, and world leaders have repeatedly urged him to move ahead with democratization.

President Musharraf said he reassured Prime Minister Brown about the upcoming vote.

"I did inform the Prime Minister [of] our strong desire to go forward with the elections and to ensure that elections will be fair, free and transparent," said Mr. Musharraf.

The elections are scheduled for February 18 and opposition politician Imran Khan says they will be vital. He said it is also important that western powers support the process.

"In my opinion the only way forward for Britain and the United States is to back not people, not individuals, not political parties, but the democratic process. They should back free and fair elections in Pakistan. It is the only way out of this quagmire," he said.

Khan was among hundreds of anti-Musharraf protesters outside Prime Minister Brown's offices at Number 10 Downing Street.


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You have been blocked from Wikinews from editing for an improper username. Please choose a new name. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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No problem, I stole it from notice, actually :) Thunderhead 02:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Interview: Drupal founder Dries Buytaert balances community and company interests

February 24, 2008

In the year 2000, Dries Buytaert created Drupal, a freely licensed and open source tool to manage websites, as a bulletin board for his college dorm. Since Dries released the software and a community of thousands of volunteer developers have added and improved modules, Drupal has grown immensely popular. Drupal won the overall Open CMS Award in 2007, and some speakers in Drupal's spacious developer's room at FOSDEM 2008 were dreaming aloud of its world domination.

Buytaert (now 29) just finished his doctoral thesis and has founded the start-up Acquia. The new company wants to become Drupal's best friend, with the help of an all-star team and US$7 million collected from venture capitalists. Wikinews reporter Michaël Laurent sat down with Dries in Brussels to discuss these recent exciting developments.

On FOSDEM

 * How important is an event like FOSDEM for yourself and for the Drupal community?
 * Dries Buytaert: I think it's more important for the Drupal community than for me personally. It is important because we work together day and night through mailing lists, fora etc., and when you meet each other face-to-face you can understand one and another better, it gives more depth to your relationship. It's also important as a forum were many ideas can be discussed in a shorter time. With the growth of Drupal, the community has grown, and even for me it has become impossible to follow all communication, all forum posts etc. So it is also a way to filter new ideas.

 * Do you go and visit other projects as well?
 * DB: Normally, I would. I've been coming here for seven years from start to finish, but this year I'm only here today and purely for the Drupal DevRoom. My job is to be present in the corridors, to chat with people, to do networking and to connect people. So FOSDEM is important to share information, to improve our relationships, and thirdly to promote Drupal. Drupal is both an end-user product and a framework for developers, and the latter is certainly a direction in which I'd like to see Drupal grow more.

On Drupal

 * Can you give some examples of websites that use Drupal?
 * DB: In Belgium: Studio Brussel, Donna [both radio stations, ed.], Indymedia. Internationally you have for example Amnesty International, but it ranges from Ozzy Osbourne's to Britney Spears' site. Also Greenpeace, a lot of universities,... oh and zattevrienden.be in Belgium.

 * Wow, it must be everywhere if it ranges from Britney to Ozzy. Tell me, how has your role changed over the years?
 * DB: My role has changed a lot. At first I did everything myself from the first to the last thing, I wrote every letter of code, I managed the infrastructure, I did source control, public relations, etc. Today, there is a team of thousands of people who write the code, and a lot more who work for example on the infrastructure, there is a group of people concerned with PR and marketing, etc. Nowadays I write little code myself, but I continue to review a lot of code, giving yes, no or yes but... answers. So I've become more of a code reviewer.

 * We have founded the Drupal Association, a Belgium-based non-profit organisation which aims to do promotion, organisation of things like conferences, etc. The organisations takes on a lot of these tasks. There are eight or nine directors, so it has really become a bigger organisation that's operating and developing Drupal. It's also international: it's based in Belgium but there are only two Belgian directors I think.

 * Do you think Drupal is important for software in Belgium? Countries like France have a big software industry but we don't.
 * DB: Drupal was created in Belgium, but it has become really international. Most contributions come from the United States now I think. There are a few other open source projects from Belgium, maybe not on the same size scale, but still there are definitely some projects. The fact that we organise the largest open source conference in Europe shows that there is a lively interest.

Acquia: company-community interaction

 * Looking at your new start-up Acquia, there are some people in the Drupal community who are concerned that you're combining your leadership role with that of Acquia CTO. You could have done like Jimmy Wales, who started Wikia and took a step back from Wikipedia.
 * DB: I admit that combining these positions complicates matters, both for myself as for Acquia. But I have always fought hard for what the Drupal community has achieved. The Association still has the right to use the domain name and such; Acquia will not have special privileges. I have always fought hard to keep the play field open.

 * Of course we will be a major player, simply because of the money and there are some highly visible people involved. But if we do things with which the community does not agree, we will not force them. That's built into our corporate DNA. We want to be seen as the best thing that ever happened to the Drupal community. Our goal is to work together closely. I'm glad to see that the community has faith in us. There are a number of important people from the community in our company: they will not suddenly turn to the evil side! They know better than anyone else what lives in the community. Openness and transparency are very important. People will simply have to give us a chance.

 * If I listen to some community members, I get the impression that they trust you, and that they believe it will be all right.
 * DB: It will be like that. Of course there are a number of challenges, but I have full confidence. I will do everything to make the community succeed. And if a problem arises, then we'll organise ourselves; we're very good at that.

 * On the other hand, you have to satisfy your investors, they have invested heavily and they will want something in return. How will you generate revenue from your free software product?
 * DB: Our business plan is to create Drupal distributions, similar to what Red Hat did for Linux. We'll produce distributions that work on the platforms of the client. A second thing will be support. Say you install Drupal, and something goes wrong: who are you gonna call? We want to make Drupal grow and get bigger by bringing it to organisations who don't possess such expertise. Apart from packages and support, a third thing will be network services; services you offer through a network to automate certain things. An upgrade service, for example: if a certain module has been updated, it could be installed automatically. Your website will be easily upgradable: there is a security update, do you want it yes or no?

 * Some fear that if you focus on wealthy enterprises, NGOs might be disadvantaged.
 * DB: I have two answers to that. Answer one: we're just adding extra values. It's not clear that we're going after the big ones, we're still determining our target audience. But we're making contributions, the others will not be worse off, they'll remain status quo. My second answer is a personal vision: I want to make it easy for people, I want to empower them to use Drupal. I want to make web publishing democratic; this is a strong tendency towards a social goal. People often say that we'll focus more on the bigger ones, but I don't believe in that. We're not sure yet if we'll go after the big enterprises, the NGO's or the bloggers. We've just gathered our capital and we've started hiring people. Lately, I've spent about one-third of my time doing interviews, and we're still interviewing more people. One-third of my time has gone to working with the Drupal community, releasing patches and Drupal 6. And about one-third of my time has gone to product definition, to determine what exactly we will do with Acquia.

The future, near and far

 * Speaking about Drupal 6, you had a talk about it this morning. I'm not going to ask you to repeat that presentation, but what are the most important new elements in Drupal 6?
 * DB: The most important new features are actually a good example of what we're doing for the common user: Drupal 6 has become a lot simpler to use, we've made a lot of usability improvements. But also for enterprises we've implemented a better caching strategy, a better log-infrastructure, etc. These are just some of the features, there are probably 50 to 60. OpenID is also integrated in Drupal 6.

 * As a final question: where will Drupal be ten years from now, and where will Dries be ten years from now -in Boston?
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UK allows corporations to award high school credits

January 28, 2008 The government of the United Kingdom has given corporations like fast food chain McDonald's the right to award high school qualifications to employees who complete a company training program.

Two other businesses, railway firm Network Rail and regional airline Flybe, were also approved. The decision was made by the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority, which oversees the national curriculum.

McDonald's said it will offer a "basic shift manager" course, which will train staff in marketing, customer service, and other areas of restaurant management. Completion of this course will be the equivalent of passing the GCSE, the standard exam taken at age 16, or the Advanced Level, taken at age 18.

Network Rail plans to offer a course in rail engineering, while Flybe is developing a course involving aircraft engineering and cabin crew training. Passing Flybe's course could result a university level degree.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown supports the plan. "It is going to be a tough course, but once you have got a qualification in management you can probably go anywhere," Brown said. He emphasized the importance of higher education, saying, "Every young person needs a skill and to think about going to college, doing an apprenticeship or university."

John Denham, Secretary of State for Innovation, Universities and Skills, called the decision "an important step towards ending the old divisions between company training schemes and national qualifications" and said it will "benefit employees, employers and the country as a whole."

However, some people are unsure of the plan's effectiveness. Sally Hunt, general secretary of the University and College Union, said, "We are unsure whether those institutions would be clamoring to accept people with McQualifications," using a derogatory term for the program.


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Why is McDonald's singled out in the title? I realize the other main-stream media did, too, but still it seems odd and not npov. --SVTCobra 23:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

McDonalds to give High School credits
While the article states that Great Britian is going to allow McDonald's to give students high school credits, I think it misses the fact that a number of prominant businesses are being allowed the opportunity to give students HS credit for their training programs. Also, McDonalds may be the bottom of the scale for workers, they are currently one of the best managed and marketed companies in the world today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maccleash (talk • contribs) 00:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sorry, but this is just stupid. - Ian Lee 23:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but for some it's better to leave high school with useful skills rather than a bunch of general knowledge that needs to be molded in college. Spacehusky 00:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


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"Anonymous" plans to protest Church of Scientology on February 10

January 29, 2008 The Internet-based group "Anonymous" released a new video on YouTube Monday, announcing international protests outside Church of Scientology centers set for February 10. The video "Call to Action" uses the same computer synthesized voice as a previous video titled "Message to Scientology", which was posted to YouTube last Monday. The "Message to Scientology" video has been viewed over 1,400,000 times, and the "Call to Action" video has already been viewed over 237,000 times.

Anonymous is taking action against the Church of Scientology in response to what it sees as suppression of freedom of speech on the Internet. The group was first motivated after the Church of Scientology issued a copyright infringement claim to YouTube regarding a promotional video of Scientologist Tom Cruise speaking about his beliefs and using Scientology jargon. The Church of Scientology also issued a legal complaint to the website Gawker.com which is also hosting the video, but Gawker has stated it will not take the video down because it is newsworthy.

Anonymous set up a movement called "Project Chanology" to coordinate their efforts, and took down several Church of Scientology websites through denial-of-service attacks. Members of Anonymous have also participated in prank calls to Church of Scientology centers, as well as protests or "raids" outside Scientology buildings, and have posted some of their exploits to YouTube.

In the "Call to Action" video, Anonymous denies that they are composed solely of "super hackers", stating "Anonymous is a collective of individuals united by an awareness that someone must do the right thing, that someone must bring light to the darkness, that someone must open the eyes of a public that has slumbered for far too long." The video goes on to state "We want you to be aware of the very real dangers of Scientology," citing what they term "gross human rights violations".

Specific controversial events in Scientology history are cited in the video, including Operation Freakout and Paulette Cooper, and Operation Snow White. Operation Freakout was the name of a Church of Scientology operation whose goal was to "get P.C. [Paulette Cooper] incarcerated in a mental institution or jail or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attacks." Paulette Cooper had written a book critical of Scientology called The Scandal of Scientology. Operation Snow White was the name of a Church of Scientology operation where members of the Church's secretive Guardian's Office infiltrated United States government agencies in Washington, D.C. including the I.R.S. The F.B.I.'s investigation into Operation Snow White led them to discover the planning of actions taken against Paulette Cooper.

The video concludes by inviting the viewer to "take up the banner of free speech" and protest with Anonymous world wide. In an email to CNET News, Anonymous stated that cities where unknown activities are planned on February 10 include New York City, Montreal, Houston, London, Melbourne, and Los Angeles.

On Friday, two spokespersons for the Church of Scientology commented on the recent actions of Anonymous. A spokesman told News.com.au "These types of people have got some wrong information about us," and Church spokeswoman Yvette Shank told Sun Media that she regarded members of Anonymous as a "pathetic" group of "computer geeks". On Monday, Radar reported that the Church of Scientology has asked the U.S. Attorney General's office in Los Angeles, the F.B.I., and the LAPD to start a criminal investigation of possible criminal activity related to the Internet attacks. A source told Radar that the Church of Scientology is arguing that the Internet attacks are a form of "illegal interference with business." Radar also reports that the Church of Scientology is emphasizing its status as a religious organization in the United States, in order to assert that the Internet attacks can be classed as hate crimes.

On Saturday, Mark Bunker of the website XenuTV.com posted a video to YouTube criticizing the illegal actions of Anonymous and suggested legal methods for them to retaliate against the Church of Scientology, including peaceful protesting, writing letters to their government representatives, and persuading the United States government to take away the Church of Scientology's tax exempt status. In the video, Bunker states "I'm mainly concerned because you shouldn't be doing things that are illegal, you just shouldn't. It's not morally right, and it's not right when Scientology does it, it's not right when we do it." Bunker's video post has been viewed over 156,000 times. On Sunday, Bunker posted a follow-up video to YouTube where he gives advice to Anonymous on how to peacefully picket. He also provides viewers with resources and weblinks to more information on how to hold a peaceful protest. He concludes this video by imitating Obi-Wan Kenobi's Jedi mind trick technique and voice from Star Wars, stating "And if I may, as Obi-Wan, tell you: You will do nothing illegal ".


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Wrong
Anonymous was not founded to retaliate against scientology censorship, that information is innaccurate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.137.9 (talk) 00:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite right, thanks for the correction, which was quickly rectified. Cirt 00:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

OR
Generally refers to material in the article gleaned from the popular YouTube videos. Cirt 00:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

New video?
This was added to the article without a source, so I removed it pending a source: In response to Bunker's video, and once again in a computer generated voice, Anonymous has released another video detailing a set of rules which it expects to see followed at its organized protests. These rules serve to prevent violent and illegal action against the Church of Scientology, and to protect the identity and safety of the protesters. Mark Bunker is acknowledged in the most recent video. What is the source for this? Cirt 03:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this video is the same as the widely reported on "Message To Scientology", and was cited by CNET News. Was this new other vid cited anywhere? Cirt 04:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not the same at all. The YouTube user Church0fScientology has only 2 videos, both considered the "official" Anonymous messages to the public, press etc. Fallen-Griever 07:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, that's what I thought - I left a message for the user that added this above info w/out a source though, FYI that's . So far, no response.  Cirt 07:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

got back to me: Here is the link to the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LvV9xCv6K_k Feel free to add it back to the article. Rekov 13:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC) I would have to agree with, this particular video does not come from the same source as the other 2 that have been widely cited in the media - so I'd tend to leave it at what we've got currently in the article. Cirt 17:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

OR re site access, again
www.scientology.org is not loading for me, I'm getting: "The server at scientology.org is taking too long to respond." - Can anyone else verify this? (as of this timestamp) Cirt 10:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Loaded for me as of now. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm, still not getting anything at all, oh well. As of yet no recent sources have reported that it's currently still having problems, so I'll wait to see if they do.  Cirt 10:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Scientology website has actually been "down" for a long time. Prolexic is simply hosting the pages from a cache, giving the appearance that the page is working. In actuality, if you attempt to do anything other than interact with the site, such as search, the site commonly fails. At least, it does for me. Also, Anonymous made a 4th wave of DDoS attacks last night, although that wouldn't respond the problem at the timestamp. Fallen-Griever 14:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Past Jan 30
It's now past January 30, 2008. Thus, there will be no more updates to this article. Cirt 08:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Re major changes to the article by - let us please avoid any more changes to the article - it is way past January 29, 2008 - when the article was published, and let's just leave it and let the article reflect how it was at that point in time please.  Cirt 18:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is a Really Stupid Policy (TM) and have argued against it in the past .. when at least the story would be 'protected' against edits, thus saving naiive users the trouble of wasting hours of their time. Really I regret visiting this site again now. -- Simeon 03:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh forget it -- 61.68.161.212 04:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, while I would agree to not update any of the contents of the article, I would think a link to Project Chanology would be appropriate, either in the article itself or with the addition of a Wikipedia-box. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 05:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a minor enough edit, and a helpful suggestion at that. ✅, thanks.  Cirt 06:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous' guide to protest
They made a video of 22 rules for the protest on YouTube. Interesting...if to be "peaceful" they should not need rules. Also...they tell the protesters to "cover your face" with "scarves, sunglasses and hats"...no masks. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't understand protesting, do you? Do some research on Scientology and their methods of intimidation etc. against protestors. Look into the XenuTV guy and what he told Anonymous to do, a lot of the rules come from him. Etc. Fallen-Griever 14:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to see they are moving towards Gandhi-tech. Cirt 19:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The rules are there for the protection of other anonymous from scientology's handlers aparently, and from CoS taking pictures and from being following home, fake charges, and all the other pretty thing CoS love to do againts its detractors —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.210.134.61 (talk) 23:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews International: You report the 'Anonymous' protest against Scientology
That's right...we want you to be the reporter for the protest of 'Anonymous' VS. The Church of Scientology. Are you going to be in or near any of the follwing areas on Februry 10th 2008? If so, we want your pictures, your audio, video and interviews of the days protest. Check it out at the link above, or alternatively more info at User:Skenmy/APC. Cirt 00:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikinews International: You report the 'Anonymous' protest against Scientology

"Message to Scientology" video
This video was added to the article. It complements the article text, which quotes from the video, but zero new text/content was added to the article. WN:ARCHIVE does not say anything about pictures, and it is within the guidelines as no new text content was added or changed in any way. Cirt (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reverted self, pending discussion. Cirt (talk) 14:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


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Mormon in article title
I think the title of this article should be changed for accuracy and because the term Mormon is ever so slightly derogatory.

A wonderful man
Gordon B. Hinckley was a man dedicated to what he believed. He is a shining example of what is good in this world. His whit and charm will be sorely missed. Richard Thompson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.101.168 (talk) 03:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Microsoft Taiwan, IGS, GameFlier, and Softstar win the Popular Game Voting of 2008 Taipei Game Show

Back to OR information
Nice thanks for Taipei Computer Association because they not only invited me to join the award ceremony but also give press kits about this award, so that I can easily do this translation. Brock contact... 16:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

copy-edit notes
I struggled with what the "company category" actually represented. I pretty much turned it into the company's setup at the convention, but I am not entirely sure that that is what it actually was. So, please, review carefully, and change back any mistakes I made. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I'll translate the list of awards and add more pictures. But it seemed that you just do some good corrections! Brock contact... 16:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


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a comment on image on front page why just brown what about mushrarref? --72.87.57.201 03:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:"Anonymous" plans to protest Church of Scientology on February 10

fake news
someone is posting tons of fake news, wtf is going on
 * be specific. why and what is fake news. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Illegal != Morally wrong
"I'm mainly concerned because you shouldn't be doing things that are illegal, you just shouldn't. It's not morally right, and it's not right when Scientology does it, it's not right when we do it." This quote really annoys me, just because something is illegal does not mean it is immoral. The law is not a perfect source for moral guidance. 58.167.206.7 07:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

e.g j-walking an empty street, smoking a joint, wheras a 30 year old sleeping with a 16 y/o is morally legal!--77.99.171.94 11:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * seriously now, you can't argue that bringing someone's datacenter to it's knees or ordering spam pizza and taxis and making prank calls to people who've been conned by the cult are morally righteous things to do. justifiable perhaps but not good, and no anons claim they are doing those bad things for good reasons. violating copyright law is the only moral but illegal thing that has happened in this campaign 86.159.107.182 23:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

legal Vs illegal
Generally (i dont know the specifics of this case) but the most effective way to make a big change is a combination of legal and illegal protests. If only legal protests took place then nothing would get the attention it deserves, if only illegal protests took place nothing constructive would ever be done. Gandi & black activists both had to use illegal methods to get the support/attention they needed but if it wasn't for the legal follow up it would have been pointless. --77.99.171.94 11:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Nazis!
Anonymous is a bunch of Nazis. If someone wants to believe in a religion, no matter how crazy it is, they should be allowed to do so. This whole thing, trying to defeat the Church of Scientology, is completely wrong. It's just the same as trying to defeat Christianity, or Islam. Scientology may be taking rights away from people, or whatever, but we need to remember that people chose to believe in Scientology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.213.36 (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that attacking a belief in inherently wrong, it goes against all forms of free speech and has no place in our society. However, as I understand it, the group 'Anonymous' is not attacking the belief itself, but rather the corporation behind it, which Anonymous accuses of illegal practices (specifically cases such as the death of Lisa McPherson and Operation Freakout). In some of the new video's on youtube the public is told explicitly that, though I of course cannot judge whether this is really Anonymous speaking or some someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.120.95 (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Anonymous has no central organisation, the only "official" standpoint is that every person is anonymous and answers only to themselves and "the lulz". any post to do with anon is a troll, any video made is a lie or propaganda, every post is a repost of a repost of a repost, and if it exists there is porn of it- no exceptions 86.159.107.182 23:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Please Stop
I'm as intolerant of Scientology as the next bigot or sane person, but please stop using Wikinews as a platform to promote this "conflict." This is why people think that anthropogenic global warming is still disputed by sane scientists. -161.88.255.240 17:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, but you've made a logical fallacy. We're not using WikiNews to promote anything. This is a hot news story and WikiNews is covering it. End of logic. 76.1.180.28 08:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

What's so bad about Scientology?
I'm not a scientologist, a proud atheist actually, but seriously. What's so bad about Scientology? - 23:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Other than they rob you point blank of money, nothing. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In the US you can believe what you want and it's your business. I don't thing there is anything wrong per say...I just don't hold their beliefs and find them ridiculously funny. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous is composed not of high tech hackers but a group of single teenage boys about 15 to 20 year old who are very low toned and upset about things in their own lives and are putting the blame on an external source such as Scientology to get away from taking any responsibility for their own lives. These cult and conspiracy theories about Scientology are a sign a schitsophrania and should be handled by a competent medical professional —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.202.38 (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC) Cheers, Cirt 23:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) You spelled "schitsophrania" wrong, it's Schizophrenia.
 * 2) It is interesting that you bring up the term schizophrenia, because that has in the past been applied to the Church of Scientology:
 * 3) *"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard." - Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court

Somebody is trying to spell Schizophrenia. But seriously, after reading up on this controversy over the last few weeks, the opinion that scientology is dangerous seems to be well founded. It is certainly the case that the psychologically powerful methods used by this organization are able to influence a high proportion of ordinary people to believe unusual things. Of course, vulnerable people would be more likely to be captivated by these methods of persuasion, but a person would not have to be unbalanced or mentally ill to come under the power of these methods. They are powerful methods. I am submitting this viewpoint because I am an old psychologist, and I see too many people who easily believe 'unusual' things. Most of the time, however, they are not under coercive pressure to spend large amounts of money under the direction of those they hold in awe. 209.89.17.121 00:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing is so bad about Scientology. It consists of mostly intelligent people (likely more intelligent on average than many groups) engaging in something they believe and supporting their group and their leaders. If you want to attack something, go attack De Beers. Now perhaps there is a group that truly abuses people. Critics of Scientology actually have scant material to work with. I mean, come on, the "crown" in their case is poor Lisa; a tragedy - no doubt; should never have happened - no doubt. But we are talking about an anomaly that happened 13 years ago. Yet critics continue to piss on her grave by using her to attack a group she was a member of. --JustaHulk 02:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the idea of saying this is "wrong" or "good" is really quite unnecessacary. They obviously believe that taking down scientology is the "good" thing to do so why go around shouting it's a "bad" thing to do when they obviously don't see as such? As far I can't determine who these people are. Though to make judgements like they're 15-20 year olds having personal problems and deciding to dish it out on scientology or they're schizophrenic is a stupid thing to say as there's no proof of this. As far as this goes I seriously doubt that this "anoymous" group has any ability whatsoever to in getting rid of scientology. This religion{or philosophy as some may call it} is a strong enough religion/philosophy to not be taken so easily by these idiots. It would take a powerful political power to destroy any religion like this. Anoymous doesn't have this power, however. So in terms of them being a threat to scientology, they are very minimal. Scientologists aren't necessarily intelligent, because a belief doesn't determine intelligence.--drewthedude 02:00, 31 January 2008 {EAT} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.227.65.65 (talk)

Scientology sucks
any 1 that belongs to this Church of Scientology like tom cruise is a moron  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.32.20 (talk) 04:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Moral justice will prevail. Down with Scientology. They are a bunch of blood sucking morons who know how to take money: from people in a vulnerable state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.148.178 (talk) 23:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

ANONYMOUS VS SCIENTOLOGY
Alright. The Church of Scientology is a scary cult. They state a "truth" and expect you to follow without questioning. They use leverage against their followers and use strange brainwashing tactics to gain this leverage.

Consider this for a moment. You are having this done to you every day. EVERY RELIGION does this. EVERY RELIGION is flawed. EVERY INSTITUTION is flawed. If you question, they may be wrong... and nobody wants to be wrong.

Think about Christianity and the outlandish fairy book stories we are expected to believe. When we question, we are told to "pray" to find out if it is true. If we were to pray to find out if "God" looks like a pink elephant, many of us would find THAT to be true. That is how the brain works. Proof of this --- Scientologists think the world works like BATTLEFIELD EARTH. Instead of worrying about the evils of our government, we are told to fear gay marriage. WHY???

Think about our medical institutions. They tell us what drugs are good and what drugs are bad. Some of what Scientology is not off base. We are medicating our kids too much. Anti-depressants are harmful and end up being no more effective than an placebo. I highly suspect the use of vaccinations that we give ourselves and our children. Etc Etc Etc etc... ... ...

Think about our governments. If you look closely enough, how possible is it for elections to be rigged? How possible is it that 9-11 was either staged or allowed to happen by its own government? --- WATCH ZEITGEIST THE MOVIE FOR MORE DETAILS ---

Think about our news organizations. How difficult is it to assume that the truth is twisted and spun to appease one small group of society instead of the common man? Even further, how about our educational institutions? Some schools still think evolution is ridiculous.

Brainwashing happens here and we accept it. We just call it "advertising" and "spin".

Anything you believe whole-heartedly can bite you in the a-- later. We do need to look at SCIENTOLOGY closer. They are using very questionable tactics and I hope Anonymous can help us to get to the bottom of it... but I really hope they don't stop there. I hope WE do not stop there. I am optimistic that we as a WHOLE will start thinking more critically as INDIVIDUALS! I hope we stop using herd mentality and SEEK OUT the truth instead of just praying for guidance or believing because "they" told us to... whoever "they" may be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.215.18 (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

SCIENTOLOGY = GAY. Maybe now the world will realize it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.88.144 (talk) 13:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Legal process
If the Church of Scientology is suing people for "interference with business", then all is said.
 * "interference with business"
 * "with business"
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'''Brothers fight on long live anonymous. why is the truth being cencored on youtube? why cant man tell the truth and have freedom of speech ? well here is a good example anonymous is being cencored by youtube aginst what they believe. - anonymouscccc from youtube —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.92.95.219 (talk) 06:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous is based in New York and is financed by New York Crime Gang.

Anonymous information website "Radar magazine" was set up by Maer Roshan with funding from Mort Zuckerman and Jefferey Epstein.

Jefferey Epstein was charged with numerous child rapes but managed to beat the charges witht he help of his Lawyers Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Star.

Epstein financed the political campaigns of former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer who recently resigned to his involvement in a Prostitution Ring.

Both Zuckerman and Epstein are members of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Bullshit! You and you only know the truth about Anonymous? Do you really think CoS wouldn't have found something like this out long ago, and proclaimed it to the world? Anonymous is not made up of criminals or adolescents looking to take out their teenage angst on someone else. Anonymous, to borrow their own words, is legion. They are composed of some of the best educated people in the nation. Stating something that obviously untrue is nothing more than an infuriating display of your ignorance and arrogance. --132.38.190.10 19:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


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Ole Miss player arrested; charged with selling steroids

January 29, 2008

Jared Foster, a transfer quarterback with the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) Rebels football team, was arrested yesterday in Oxford, Mississippi and charged with selling steroids.

Rebels head coach Houston Nutt said that Foster will not be allowed to remain with the team.

Foster was arrested for alcohol possession by a minor and contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2006 while a star player for Madison Central High School in Madison, Mississippi. Prosecutors agreed then not to try the case on the conditions that Foster help police in a steroid investigation and stay out of trouble.


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From firsthand accounts as an Ole Miss alumn, accounts which match what's being reported in local media. - ✰ ALLSTAR ✰ echo 06:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Editprotected request
Please change category "North American football" to "Football (American)". Maxim (talk)  17:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Brian McNeil / talk 13:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)