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Inaccurate title?
"Chinese rioters storm Japanese embassy in Beijing"

There is a big difference between storming and attemping to storm. Which is it? (<-- unsigned comment left by anon IP)

 * The rioters successfully broke through a police line (which was strangely unarmed) which was guiding the "parade", massed in front of the embassy, and started throwing rocks and other objects, damaging the property. This report says, "They (the police) made no attempt to stop the rally or the throwing of objects at the Japanese Embassy." There is now extensive damage to the embassy which must now be repaired.

 * So, was the "storming" successful? It depends on what their objective was. If they were attempting to damage the embassy and make a political point, the answer is yes. If they were attempting to take over the embassy, the answer is no, but then I don't believe the definition of "storming" includes physically taking possession of the property under seige, as that would go beyong storming, wouldn't it? (i.e., storming a property is the first step, taking it over would be the second step) So they did more than attempt - they actually stormed the property in question.

 * Let's put it another way, the police "attempted" to quell the rioters, but the rioters were still successful at damaging Japanese property. So did the police attempt to stop the protesters or did they stop them? There is a big difference. Which is it? — DV 01:54, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Deleted by accident
I apologize to DV and to all for the accidental/unintentional deletion on the page. Dpr 00:12, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem. Thanks for helping to improve the article. — DV 00:29, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Le Monde
Maybe someone can incorporate the Le Monde info... I'll try to do it if I have time. Thanks! Dpr 02:11, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Dpr, although you have a good history here on Wikinews, is it prudent for us to take anyone at their word and trust that they have faithfully used non-English sources? If we trust you to interpret the Le Monde story, someone else with less of a reputation may feel insulted if we say they are too new and we cannot take them at their word when they supply a source in another language.

 * For this reason, although it is not a policy that I am aware of, it's not practical for Wikinews to use sources that aren't in English. Also, most contributors would not be able to participate and help to verify those portions of the story which rely on the cited article, which goes against the "wiki spirit".

 * I'll leave the link to the Le Monde piece in the External links section in case someone on the fr.wikinews finds it useful for a translation. (Although not much is going on over there these days.) — DV 02:25, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Some policy should be decided, DV...it is well known that the Wiki projects seek a non-Anglo-American bias. Moreover, non-Anglophone sources often report excellent information unavailable in the English-speaking press. Can we simply ignore this and leave out potentially groundbreaking pieces of information? It's understandable that Wikinews would want stories to be veriable by other users, but does this outweigh the potential sharing of new information?
 * Frankly, DV, considering how excellent the Wikinews project is, it would be a shame to think that we couldn't use it to reveal new, previous-unknown information to the Anglophone world. If we can't use Wikinews for that, where should we go?? As ardent Wiki supporters, we surely wouldn't want to point people elsewhere when the potential for greatly boosting Wikinews' usefulness is at stake. If we can be a clearinghouse for translations from non-English sources, wouldn't that widen our appeal? The alternatives are to send people outside Wiki, or to create a new reference-translation Wiki-site, and thus compete with Wikinews, watering down already-thin resources.
 * Your points are well taken, but some policy should be decided, for this issue is one which potentially could helpe Wikinews a lot. Thanks for listening! Dpr 03:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Had you cited a non-French news source, I would embrace your suggestion of providing a translation of the article in question, but the French seem to frown on that kind of thing, don't they? AFP just sued Google for using tiny little excerpts of their stories, so surely we would be in trouble for translating an entire article?

 * I would defer to Eloquence for this question, because the Foundation may incur liability if something questionable was hosted on their servers. It's too easy for those contributors who don't use their real names to slink away into the night should some sort of legal problems crop up, leaving Wikimedia holding the bag.

 * Thanks for considering the other points I raised. I'll make a note of this discussion on the water cooler. — DV 03:53, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * To follow up, I added a question about non-English sources to the Policy section of the Water cooler. Hopefully some of the regular contributors will continue the discussion over there. — DV 04:03, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This icon is missing twice. 82.224.88.52 21:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Day two of protests
I restored the bit about it being rare for China's state-controlled news outlets to report about a protest. I can't take a claim that this is an unsupported assertion very seriously, but it's in the Kyodo and Associated Press sources (which were there all along) for any naive editors who don't follow Chinese news every day.

I also added a bit from a BBC report which may open more eyes to realize that the authorities had signaled "tacit acceptance, if not approval" by allowing Saturday's protest to happen in the first place. Any flowery diplomatic statements after the fact to deny culpability are artful dodges of responsibility for the damage that has been done to Chinese-Japanese relations.

I'm starting a new story about the second day of protests, which have spread to Shenzhen and Guangzhou, leaving this story to focus on the first day's events. — DV 18:56, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm I understood from quotes in the other sources that formal approval was not sought, and therefore not granted, for the initial demo, but it was 'tolerated' regardless. From that I understood the ensuing riot to have been 'regrettable' etc. The Chinese authorities are in a difficult spot if they are damned when they disallow a demo, but also damned when they allow one and it has a violent component.

 * But I would assume they may tacitly accept the level of violence, without tacitly hoping that greater violence had occured. Again, compared with western demos, this would have parallels, I believe. Of course there are always other possibilities with such events, that the violent component are agents provocateurs to make the main protest look bad. - Simeon 12:46, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

China Daily / People's Daily
The Chinese state-controlled media, which rarely reports about protests in China, provided reports about the event through the People's Daily and Xinhua news agencies.

18:03, 10 Apr 2005 David Vasquez (This is a well-known fact to any reader of Chinese news. It's silly to remove this claiming it is not cited. (But it is in the Sources if you insist.))

 * OK, it was me who removed this par earlier. I would still like the par to be attributed. It is an opinion, and we outside China are not really qualified to back it up. It is 'common knowledge' but I think that even millions of people outside China are not really qualified to form an opinion on this without millions of people having some direct experience.

 * If you reference it to the specific source then the reader gets also a bit of info. I simply did not have time, and thought that since it is such common knowledge, that readers would understand this fact immediately when they see the words Chinese People's daily .. so why do we need to take up space emphasising the common belief outside China that they have cencorship and that their newspapers are run by the government?

 * If this is the case, I'm not arguing that it is, but if it is, there must be plenty of references that you could plonk in to back up your statement. I think the correct attribution right now would run like this, and this wordiness is exactly why I removed it in favour of the reader using their noggin to figure it out for themselves:

 * The Chinese state-owned media, which The New York Times says rarely reports about protests in China, provided reports about the event through Xinhua news wire agency.

 * Both Chinese stories came through Xinhua I think.

 * I think there is wide agreement that there is some form of censorship within China. There is some form of censorsihp within Australia. Just what the censorship chooses to omit and allow, I think you and I are not qualified to say. Does the New York Times know? Probably. But they may also have a bias, and so it is appropriate to attribute a claim by them, to them, so the reader can think 'will I believe this statement?'.

 * - Simeon 04:47, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Whatever. If you're going to make the amazing claims that such an assertion must be attributed to a specific source such as the NYT, and that only citizens of China (I'm married to one) can possibly know that state-controlled media rarely reports on protests, I will just chuckle and move on.

 * Since you've gone to the trouble of inventing a completely new excuse to remove that line a second time, and writing your lengthy defense of the deletion, you must feel strongly about it. I won't edit war with you. Do whatever you want - it's a wiki. I can always grab the version of this article that I want out of the history. — DV 05:02, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * DV, Amgine has told me (and you've verified since I wrote this text) that you probably are in a position to have understanding of how Chinese media works. I don't, personally, except that people say things like 'government controlled'. This to me needs to be quantified, but it could be in an external source. I do want it attributed if used, the government controlled, and the do-not-usually-report-protests. For flow reasons, I removed it, because the quote from People's Daily is the best explanation of the protestor demands, so works well at the top of the story, but a complex attribution of a qualifying statement then would stuff up the flow, and as I explain above, I thought the qualifying statement was not needed. But if you want it, I suggest add an explanatory par last or second last in the story, to the effect of 'Such-and-such points out that reports on protests in China such as that provided by state-owned Xinhua news agency are rare.' or whatever .. whatever you have a ref to back up. Reason I didn't make this change myself is that I have something urgent I need to do, and I don't know which of your sources contains this info. I don't have time to read all of them again looking for it. Sorry if it seems I made the change for some other reason, please don't misunderstand my reasoning. - Simeon 05:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not going to attribute well-known facts in the body of the text. Wikinews stories will start to read as if they are aimed at juveniles if well-known facts must be littered with inline external links or "according to". Attributing something that millions of adults already know to the New York Times is just silly.

 * As I said before, if millions already know, why interrupt the flow of the description of the riot with needless comments about chinese censorship?

 * Should I mention in a discussion of the Baxter protests recently in Australia that countless similar-sized and larger protests occur in Australia around the same issue, but go unreported by our National Broadcaster? Perhaps, but I should leave it to last, and I should back it up with a qualified source, or admit that it is from my own research, my own opinion, or just something someone said that I believed. - Simeon 07:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for trying to debate your point, but it is completely lost on me. I restored the edit once. I won't do it again, because I have no inclination to edit war in the main article space. DV 05:26, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * You are the one who perceives it as war. I am simply trying to make the article better. If you believe articles do not benefit from discussion, why do you write on a wiki? - Simeon 07:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm simply not going to talk down to our readers and insult them by attributing well-known facts to American news outlets. You seem to want to write Wikinews articles for a very unsophisticated audience (high schoolers?). I'll continue to write for adults who I can count on to be well-read enough that I don't have to explain the ways of the world to them in every article.

 * I was hoping for a more elevated level of discourse on this site, but I think I'll go back to reporting another silly Wendy's chili story if this is the level of intelligence we are now assuming for our readers. — DV 05:26, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * If your Wendy's article contains contentious assertions, and uses ten or so sources, like this one, then I hope you will go to some effort to make it easy for the next person to cross-check (which you did! and thank-you - your attribution was above-average). Of course, if you don't there is no penalty apart from the frustration of that next person.- Simeon 07:24, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Xinhua News Agency: "The Xinhua News Agency (Simplified Chinese: 新华社; Traditional Chinese: 新華社; pinyin: xīn huá shè), or NCNA (New China News Agency), is the official press agency of the government of the People's Republic of China..." First sentence. - Amgine 05:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, you are both making a point which I already made, which is that it's not necessary to mention in an article about a riot, that china censors. The article already mentioend that the protest was state-sanctioned. Did they If you want to mention it regardless, fine, but follow wikinews policy and good journalistic methods, and attribute. And for flow, put it near the end, which is where DV originally had it anyway. I moved it because it was a useful quote for explaining the reason for the protest. Should I have moved part and left part at the end, I did not judge it to be worthwhile, but I said it's OK if you do that, since I didn't have time to do it for you.

 * Who is arguing? I think you agree with me in essence, but you are too mean to say so. You admit that people don't need to be told china cencors to know that it is said that china censors. We agree. You also do not think its worthwhile to track down someone to attribute this statement to, and you also are tired of editing the story. Me too. So? - Simeon 07:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * What's more, I think Xinhua covered the initial peaceful protest, but not the later riot? Is this so? Then this is worth mentioning. The report you gave implied that xinhua covered the riot. - Simeon 07:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * http://www.google.com.au/search?q=riot+beijing+japan+site:xinhuanet.com
 * http://news.google.com.au/news?q=protest+japanese+xinhuanet&btnG=Search+News

 * We're now almost halfway through April 11th. This story is old news. Why are you still arguing this point, Simeon? I'm already two stories ahead of this one, and I hope you are too. Thanks for trying to get your point across. I appreciate your passion for what you are doing. There is some sort of bizarre cultural divide between us that causes you and I to think differently about this point, so I have accepted your edit and moved on. You don't need to defend it any longer. I promise not to change it back while you are sleeping. I will not edit war with you in the article space, OK? — DV 07:29, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I am labouring the point I suppose because I would not want what I have done to come across as censorship or anything other than an attempt to improve the article as a news article, on basis of readibility and NPOV.

 * I myself am extremely curious about the censorship in China. I find all forms of censorship abhorrant in principle, but there are plenty of other abhorrent balancing factors. But I find the issue of censorship in China curious because like in the cold war, people unquestioningly repeat what they have heard about it, even though the details any of us hears are fairly scant.

 * I was quite serious about comparing censorship in China with censorship in Australia. Here censorship is widely unacknowledged as a significant effect, and most would argue that commercial influences that Chomsky et al describe very well do not amount to censorship. Similarly, many Chinese may argue that the system they have is perfectly justified when seen against the mores of their culture and history.

 * And yes, OK, so I maintain my 'bizarre' addiction to attribution. I was simply hoping I suppose that you did want to keep the info, and would indiciate which source it came from. I did in fact look for info to back up the assertion, for example wikipedia has no mention of censorship on their page on China. The Chinese government maintains that there is no censorship of news in China.

 * The Constitution provides for a wide range of political rights to citizens. In addition to the right to vote and to be elected mentioned above, citizens also enjoy freedoms of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration. There is no news censorship in China. Statistics show that of all the newspapers and magazines in China, only one-fifth are run by Party and state organizations, and the others belong to various democratic parties, social organizations, academic associations and people's organizations.

 * And yet we hear continually about the 'Great firewall of China'. My government wants to implement the same thing. I live in a modern western democracy, one at the forefront of both technology and human rights. And yet, if you look, you will find it also commits a fair share of human rights abuses. I would be interested to see how it would rate if scaled up to a billion people.

 * So ultimately, to go back to labouring the point, I think it would be nice to attribute such a piece of data, and by following the lead back, to find more information on it. Is the lack of reporting of demonstrations really because of 'government control' .. in the sense that someone looks over the journalist's shoulder and says 'no'? This is the picture we are presented with.

 * In Australia, the censorship would come about because of a policy to cover only a certain amount of public dissent, for commercial reasons, to keep the paper attractive to readers, and to keep on-side with the government.

 * It would be implemented through the same quiet commercial forces - the journalist's need to be paid to feed their family, the editor's similar need, the boss's desire on the one hand to publish but on the other, to keep the paper selling and keep the government from favouring his competitor.

 * This is the best that we can hope for, allegedly, in capitalism. Unless something like wikinews works. And I think we have seen through discussion that even wikinews users think that wikinews will always rely on mainstream press as a source for big stories.

 * I will try to find a source for the info (but can't spend a great deal of time on it), it is interesting and relevent — as an aside from the main story — and more so if the Chinese press covered the main rally but not the riot, something which would really be indicitive of deliberate censorship of dissent, rather than just censorship by favouring other stories for reasons of space, or perceived reader interest, etc.

 * Thanks anyway, for your contribution. - Simeon 12:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I just noticed you reply above this section, where you mention its in Kyodo and Associated Press. I will add it at/near the end of the article. - Simeon 12:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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Wikinews:2005/April/10

 * Runners, fans prepare for 109th Boston Marathon
 * FDA recalls "Mama's" brand smoked salmon
 * Scientists proudly display oldest crystal on Earth
 * Panic in Sumatra after new earthquake
 * Anti-Japan protests spread to more Chinese cities
 * Australia unemployment at 30-year low, but under-employed also at 5.1%
 * Hard drive technology breaks storage density record
 * Cambridge, Mass., city council recommends construction firm W. R. Grace remain under DEP supervision for asbestos contamination
 * Maine, USA, Land Use Regulatory Commission approves reconstruction of camps on protected Allagash River
 * Thousands march on Baghdad in anniversary protest

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Talk:Hard drive technology breaks storage density record

100 years?
The article says "perpendicular recording has been discussed in academic circles for over 100 years." How can this be true when hard drives haven't been around for nearly that long? Sure this shouldn't be 10 years? 64.218.66.130 02:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's a reference. I'm still looking for what this is referring to. — DV 02:11, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * And another reference here on Tom's Hardware. No explanation yet. — DV 02:13, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The first source for the article talks about this. I changed the copy to be more clear. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The other reference is good too. Now it's doubly-sourced. :) — DV 02:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, here it is. See the fourth graf. I'm adding it to the article now. — DV 02:17, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Theory or real? I changed the title...
I moved the article because the claim of a 230GB/in2 hard disc being *manufactured* is not backed up in the article.

By all means move it back to 'Hard drive breaks storage density record' if that is true, but please then put info into the story to back up this claim. For now I have it at 'Hard drive technology breaks storage density record'.

Simeon 09:57, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Get perpendicular?
What a bizarre advertising campaign.

The Hitachi cartoon is destined to become a classic, but who is it aimed at? Are many buyers of high-density storage susceptible to cute dancing bits parading under a spinning disco ball? Mr. Actuator was scary. I am concerned that small children will have bad dreams about him.

Hopefully the price will drop a bit from the prices quoted in the linked article. Thanks for submitting this story. — DV 03:44, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Any idea on the 2.5"HD,3.5"HD &1.8"HD capacity? The comment of 230Gig/inch[sq] means what exactly? ......2.5"x230gig=575Gigs. (I know thats not the case, but the article could be clarified a little by giving a ballpark storage capacity for each standard size.)

"(not possible with today's technology)"

Brilliant.
 * Amen.

GB or Gb
There are some serious mistakes concerning the amount of information per inch on these hard drives. The articles say Gigabits but the abbreviations read GB, which means gigabyte. I'm trying to change them, but there are many and I'm not sure which actually mean gigabyte or gigabit. Vash The Stampede 15:10, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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Australia unemployment at 30-year low, but under-employed also at 5.1%

April 10, 2005 Australian unemployment is at a 28-year low at 5.1 per cent, according to recent figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS). This has prompted debate over whether interest rates should increase. However, the number of underemployed still remains high, at 600,000 — that is, around the same 5.1 per cent figure when compared to Australia's labour market of 10 million 3.

Strong job growth
According to the Employment Minister, Kevin Andrews, 1.6 million jobs had been created over the past nine years, including 330,000 over the last 12 months. 4

A report from his department which described the employment market over the 12 months to August 2004, as one of 'solid growth', said total employment increased by 2.1% over that year.

"Advertised vacancies increased for trade occupations, marginally decreased for professional occupations and decreased for associate professional occupations," reads the October 2004 Australian Jobs Update report.

"The strongest numerical rises in employment occurred in Health and Community Services (up 60 600), Construction (up 43 400) and Manufacturing (up 40 900) while the strongest rates of growth were in Mining, Personal and Other Services, and Health and Community Services."

Possible interest rate hike
Although there is widespread speculation, AMP Capital chief economist Shane Oliver told Australian Associated Press that the strong job market did not necessarily mean that the Reserve Bank of Australia would hike up interest rates. 5

"The labour market is one of the last indicators to turn down, so we've already seen the economy slow down - particularly in the housing sector - and you would think that it is only a matter of time that we'll see a slowing in (jobs)," he said.

"I think the Reserve Bank will probably need to see clear evidence of wages growth coming through to inflation before they move again."

Many are under-employed
The still-large under-employed category defined by the ABS includes a wide range of persons — anyone employed for less than 35 hours a week, willing and available to work additional hours. 6 7

A study by The Melbourne Institute found in 2001 that one employed person in six is under-employed, with 5 per cent of available worker-hours unutilised 8. This was associated with part-time employment for females, but with full-time employment for males.

The 2001 study found that part-time workers seeking full-time employment felt negative effects, "not far short of those attributable to unemployment".

Number of long-term unemployed has increased over past ten years
Roughly 60% of the half-million-odd eligible for unemployment benefits in February were denoted as long-term unemployed, according to the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations. 9 Less were long-term unemployed in February than at the same time last year. In 2004 there were 1.43 long-term unemployed for every short-term unemployed, while in 2005 there were 1.34 10.

But ten years ago, there were fewer long-term unemployed than short-term, with 1.07 short-term unemployed to every long-termer 11.


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Under-employment rate calculation
The under-employment rate was determined using figures from the ABS from March. The unemployment rate in March is given as 5.1% - the same as the figure mentioned in the newspaper reports.

The 5.1% matches

Unemployed persons * 100% / (Unemployed persons + Employed persons)

that is

531,600 * 100% / (531,600 + 9,900,600) = 5.1%

Therefore, the corresponding calculation for underemployed persons is Under-employed persons * 100 / (Unemployed persons + Employed persons)

600,000 * 100% / (531,600 + 9,900,600) = 5.075%

Both results once rounded off to a single decimal place are 5.1%.

Simeon 07:20, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Long-term unemployed percentage calculation
The percentage of long term unemployed was calculated from figures in.

The appropriate figures are

Long-term NSA Customers: February: Persons: Received a payment = 288,965 All NSA Customers: February: Persons: Received a payment = 482,974

Long-term * 100% / All = 288,965 * 100% / 482,974 = 59.83% or 'roughly 60%' as used in the text.

Simeon 07:57, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Long term vs short term ratio
Using figures mentioned on page 2 or page 6 of the Labour Market and Related Payments report,

Long-term jobseekers decreased by 11.2% from 272,224 (in Feb 2004) to 241,737 (in Feb 2005). Short-term jobseekers decreased by 4.8% from 189,985 (in Feb 2004) to 180,830 (in Feb 2005).

Ratio of long-termers for every short-termer

Long-term / Short-term

so

Feb 2004: 272,224 / 189,985 = 1.43 Feb 2005: 241,737 / 180,830 = 1.34

Ten years ago
February 1994 figures at the top of page 3 of the Labour Market and Related Payments report,

Long-term: 472,785 Total: 977,796 Short term, by subtraction: 505,011 So ratio, this time, short-term over long-term: 505,011 / 472,785 = 1.07

WRONG WRONG WRONG
This unemployment rate is a scam. The bureau of statistics is paid to make up bogus tests and questionaires. The actual uncovered unenployment rate in Ausrtalia is 10.1% That means out of a group of 10 people 1 will be unenployed and be living underneath the poverty line. If You Would like to e-mail me on this information its 13891R@student.bbc.qld.edu.au Yes and even though i am a student it does not change the fact that my source is correct and that the figure 5.1% is a lie.

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User:GK~enwikinews

I've signed up mostly to be able to maintain a watchlist.

I've edited this page mostly because I hate seeing red links.

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There is no need to welcome me (unless there is something here that is very different from en.Wikipedia). I am already an experienced Wikipedia editor. GK 08:17, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called GK. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name GK~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Panic in Sumatra after new earthquake

April 10, 2005

People living on the Indonesian island of Sumatra have fled their homes after an earthquake of magnitude of 6.7 hit the area earlier today. Although the quake was not powerful enough to cause a tsunami, the event sparked fears of a repeat of the December 26 magnitude 9.3 earthquake in which around 300,000 people died. Today's tremor struck 70 miles southwest of Padang, a city in western Sumatra, yet no damage has been reported so far.

An Indonesia Geophysics and Meteorology Agency official said: "Many people in Padang are panicking. People have left their houses, especially those living on the coast."

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, said in a statement: "Earthquakes of this size sometimes generate local tsunamis that can be destructive along coasts located within a few hundred kilometres of the earthquake epicentre."

Scientists are cautious that another major earthquake could occur along the Indian Ocean faultline, which has seen a number of minor tremors since the December 26 quake. Although most countries have a contingency plan for earthquake related disasters, a tsunami warning system for South Asia will not be ready until the end of 2006.

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South African former apartheid party dissolves

April 10, 2005

The former party of apartheid in South Africa, the New National Party (NNP), has finally been dissolved by a vote of the party's federal council on April 9, 2005. The vote was 88 in favor, 2 against, and 3 abstentions.

This follows a decision under the guidance of party leader Marthinus van Schalkwyk last year to join forces with the ruling African National Congress party (ANC). "The forerunner to the NNP, the National Party, brought development to a section of South Africa but also brought suffering through a system grounded on injustice," said van Schalkwyk.

The NNP was the successor to the National Party, taking the new name in 1997 to distance itself from its apartheid past. The National Party was the governing party of South Africa from 1948 to 1994, and promoted policies of apartheid and the promotion of Afrikaner (white South African) culture.

Former South African President Frederik Willem de Klerk, who oversaw the end of apartheid during his tenure from 1989 to 1994 as its last white president, called for the creation of a new party to take the NNP's place. "I think there is a need to establish something to take the place of the National Party, but hopefully without the historical baggage which the National Party carried and which also played a role in its demise," said de Klerk.

Proportion of the NNP share of the national vote have been steadily dropping since 1994, when it received 20.4% as the National Party in the nation's first free multi-racial elections, to 2004, when it received 1.7%.

Other prominent South African parties include the ANC (African National Congress), ruling party with 69.7% of the 2004 vote; and the Democratic Alliance (DA), a liberal party which is the official opposition party to the ANC, and received 12.4% of the 2004 vote. Until being dissolved the NNP was the fifth largest party in the country.

Concerns have been expressed about the long-term unchecked dominance of the ANC and the possibility for corruption, with Business Monitor International expressing the view that, "While official graft is low by both global and African standards, the blurred line between the government and the dominant ANC party gives plenty of scope for abuses."

Transparency International ranks South Africa at 44th on its list of corrupt countries in its 2004 Corrupt Perceptions Index, ahead of most African nations but behind Botswana (31st) and Tunisia (39th). For comparison, the United States ranks at 17th on the same list.


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Death toll mounts in Nepal civil conflict

April 12, 2005

As many as 116 Nepalis have been killed in recent confrontations between Maoist guerrillas and government troops, according to recent estimates from multiple sources, including India's The Hindu.

Approximately 113 bodies of Maoist rebels were recovered following a fierce battle between guerrillas and government security forces three days ago. The clash took place 550 kilometers west of Nepal's capital Kathmandu, when rebels attacked an outpost of the Royal Nepalese Army. Three government troops were killed.

Nepal's King Gyanendra seized power on February 1 for the second time, in what he described as a necessary act to prevent the country from falling to the insurgents. Gyanendra has promised that peace and democratic institutions would be restored within three years; however, he has currently suspended many civil liberties, arrested demonstrators, and used armed soldiers to censor the news media.

Nepal's army is under international scrutiny for potential violations of human rights, and some nations including India and the United Kingdom have suspended aid. The United States is considering revoking its military aid unless the government's emergency regulations are ended.

The United Nations will be sending human rights observers into the country per an agreement signed Monday by Louise Arbour, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, and Ramesh Nath Pandey, Nepalese Foreign Minister. "Breaking the cycle of serious and systematic abuses [by both the government and rebels] will be the first essential step toward achieving peace and reconciliation in Nepal," said Arbour.

As the San Francisco Chronicle has reported, the rebels have brought about the brutal deaths of countless villagers, causing terror throughout Nepal. More than 11,000 deaths are believed to have been caused during 9 years of violent conflict.

An army commander interviewed by the Chronicle stated, "We are winning this war," against the rebels. Reflecting on his statement, he immediately retracted this, declaring, "Nobody is winning," he says. "We are killing Nepalese, and they are killing Nepalese."


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Wikinews:Water cooler/policy/Archive/3

Reporter Credentials
In association with Eloquence (and urging from Amgine) I've put together our reporter credentials program.

What does accreditation mean? It means that if you're a Wikinewsie, you can request to be officially recognized by Wikinews. You will be listed on the accredited reporters page, and Wikinews will affirm your credentials when asked by other organizations.

What can you do with Wikinews credentials? Well, you can request press passes to events and try to solicit interviews, cover real-world events, etc. Wikinews will vouch for your identity. A press pass may give you press access that you couldn't get as a "civillian".

This is meant to be a step in the direction of creating original reporting on Wikinews. It is not meant to replace a discussion about our editorial policy for original reporting: it serves however to be a way for us to place official recognition of users, for external purposes, however we manage the content they create. Basically, if Wikinews is to have any original reporting, this is one of the places to start dealing with that issue.

I really welcome everyone to apply for credentials (read that page — and specifically the Accreditation policy for more info). I also really urge people to start a separate discussion on the editorial policy for original reports. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:46, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Brilliant work, all. Dan100 (Talk) 20:13, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Credentializing and Accreditation simply buys into the information control scheme exemplified by Gannongate. To spell it out for you, the people who control the credentials,control the reporting; and hence, the information.Paulrevere2005

 * In order to report on things that are going on around the world, we need to have people who are accepted as part of the press, and given access to events. If that means that we have to buy into the "information control scheme" so be it — it's better than not having access to the information at all, in my view. -- IlyaHaykinson 22:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't believe user Paulrevere2005 quite understands that the credentialling process on Wikinews is a community support system where all users are involved in deciding who is credentialed, and who is not. - Amgine 04:41, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikinews provides a great potential venue for whistle blowers... corroborated eye-witness reporting by insiders ;e.g. if one of the pilots who whisked the bin-laden family out of the US after 9/11 had been able to write a story with some cellphone video showing the planes being loaded up and heading for Saudi Arabia at the time it was actually happening; to me that would have been a great story. Maybe this is exactly what some do NOT want to see ,perhaps for good reasons(privacy etc.), but I like the concept of "the whole world's an event and we're all reporters."

So, my question is; "Would credentializing interfere with a non-credentialed user posting stories??" i.e. make it more difficult for the non-credentialed reporter to post ?? Paulrevere2005 13:04, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * No. it is solely for Wikinewsies to get access to press kits, press passes or other press-only events. It has no internal significance in regard to posting. -- Davodd | Talk 22:20, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Digression away from POLICY discussion
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=693&e=4&u=/ap/20050305/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_drug_reportPaulrevere2005 I disagree with Amgine's "utterly different" description.Perhaps to a detail oriented reader the articles are somewhat different ,but to the average news consumer of today, who notice and retain few details, the "bottom line" of the info is the same;bringing up the question, who is our target market? average readers or discerning readers? and don't say "both"..a store that sells both armani and haggar is doomed to fail; which brings us back to the self destructiveness of having an "elite" among us on this site.Elites will be writing FOR elites and wikinews will be "niche".
 * I think we have a very good example of the harmful effects of having a hierarchy for reporters in the afghan opium piece which was put up for deletion a week ago. Today AP broke almost the exact story "Afghanistan near drug state status".aside;-Now if that's a NPOV headline, I'm a groundhog.So, while some of the Wiki leaders here wanted to kill it or "let it rot"..AP gets the story out for its readers.
 * AP broke an utterly different story, on the same basic topic. The article nominated for deletion was based on the UNODC report from November, released more than three months ago. The AP story is about a U.S. Presidential report released on Friday, which has even more dramatic findings than the UN report (brought to you by the same administration that determined there were WMD in Iraq.) Incidentally, this same report gives Mexico a sterling "excellent" report (while mentioning it is the largest supplier of marijuana and transships 90% of U.S. cocaine supplies) while Canada is raked over the coals as a marijuana producer and a significant drug consuming economy. - Amgine 04:41, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The MAIN point is that Gannon had the credentials and how many more,smoother,Gannons are out there, and some of the regular,honest mainstream reporters have been saying that "access" is used as a blackmail by government to control information.Do you want to be in that position?Paulrevere2005

 * Huh? That's like asking why Chewbacca lives on Endor? Or declaring that if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. What the heck does the Gannon controversy have to do with Wikinews? Does anyone on Wikinews even live within a hundred miles of Washington DC?

 * Before we worry about getting reporters into White House press briefings, let's see if somebody can get their ass out from behind their desk and visit their local city hall or something in their own hometown.

 * I'm darn impressed with the recent article on the Swahili word processor, and the interview which asked questions of a real live person.

 * Let's praise and encourage homespun efforts that lend some authenticity to this site, instead of pretending that we're investigative reporters for Rolling Stone or the Washington Post, which is quite fraudulent and deceiving to our readers.

 * My first attempt at original reporting in the real world is likely to look into the controversies which involve the Las Vegas City council, or perhaps trying to figure out what happened to all of the redevelopment funds that seem to have disappeared into giant white elephants here in San Jose.

 * It may be fun to fantasize about exposing an international conspiracy, but it gets to be silly after a certain point, doesn't it? — DV 06:04, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Well,I'm just wondering whether wiki writers can get BETTER information(and even better access) by NOT being credentialized?
 * Exhibit A;I had a very lengthy and enlightening email discussion with a Pitkin County commissioner concerning the possibility of getting a CSI team in to Hunter Thompson's death room..just to exclude the always POSSIBLE intruder theory. She started pouring out multiple problems she was having in Aspen with numerous federal agencies and projects. I wasn't interested in those stories but if I was, I would have gotten lots of good info with no credentials at all. I don't think she would have opened up if I had presented myself as a reporter; hence, maybe NOT being an "official" reporter has some advantages.

 * Exhibit B;On the other hand; when people show up at a "news conference" or a credentialized reporter has a scheduled interview with someone; perhaps the product is automatically going to be sanitized, spun and worthless???.. Just some thoughts. Paulrevere2005 13:47, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Paulrevere2005, just some friendly words of advice - Jimbo Wales will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you start conducting interviews without formally informing the subject of your interview that you are acting as a reporter.

 * Jimbo and his adherents nearly shut this place down a while back, when someone (who will remain nameless, as he is no longer on Wikinews to defend himself) tried to post a log of an IRC conversation about Wikinews, which revealed some interesting aspects of Jimbo's personality and his opinion of this site, because the "interviewer" did not reveal up front that he was acting as a reporter, and failed to get permission to post the conversation on Wikinews.

 * The poor schlep was even accused of "federal copyright violation"!

 * It was later clarified by Jimbo's adherents that wannabe reporters can't even post a rewritten summary of a private conversation in their own words, which only conveys the substance of what was discussed, without committing a major "privacy" violation.

 * Later on, a Developer arrived on the scene to sanitize Wikinews of this violation by permanently deleting the article from the history logs, so I'm afraid I can't point you to a copy of the conversation so you can judge for yourself whether a major offense was committed.

 * Anyways, good luck if you try to do any "undercover" reporting on Wikinews - you'll need it!

 * Cautiously,

 * — DV 19:19, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks DV for the "heads up". I won't do anything stupid; I'm actually calming down now that I see NPOV as the antithesis to the orwellian media machine & I can see how much of a threat this site could become to manipulators; e.g. "the smarter the slaves,the more trouble for the slave-owners."

 * Just imagine if more people knew that NYMEX oil was $16. per barrel on Sep.10,2001 and is $52. per barrel today(not many average citizens have had a 300% income increase since 9/11)..and if more people knew that the first question Scotland Yard detectives ask is "Who gained the most financially from the crime?"

 * Just imagine; real news/information-without government propaganda- spreading all over the world. Imagine if people had known about the Gulf of Tonkin ruse when it actually happened; or about the special post 9/11 fast tracked getaways for the bin laden clan right when it was happening. I'm not surprised some people will want to keep this site on a tight leash...but I think they've made the same mistake I did.They think that NPOV will neutralize the energy of the facts; I'm coming to the opinion that TRUE  NPOV will UNLEASH the energy of the facts.

Just look at this comment by 67.80.8.96 on the discussion of the Peruvians vs Newmont story;

"Some people have a POV that is vaguely disturbed by certain truths... then accuse the truths of being POV."

isn't that beautiful?

Paulrevere2005 01:23, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. I was just going to chime in anyway. I just had a couple of points.
 * There has been no reference in this discussion to the very relevant court case I read about in NYT yesterday, Apple vs. bloggers. This is apparently expected to set a precedent to sort the reporters from everyone else, in the modern age. One possibility that seems to be coming out, is that EVERYONE is a potential reporter. It is very difficult to use logic to create a special class of rights or priveleges for people that publish, since (even before the web) anyone COULD--in the future, if they never have before--publish what they discover that might have interest to others.
 * Maybe I was the only one that saw the leader of the free world on TV right after 9/11 promising to track down whoever placed a huge bet that the stock market would drop, the day before. He specifically said, "these things are hard to get to the bottom of, but we can and will." At the time, and based on my experience as a trader, I thought there was some obfuscation going on. It is NOT that hard to track down who did a trade. I admit I have not followed up. Maybe it's my fault he's still president and no one trusts that we are any safer. 03:10, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)03:10, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)~

 * I am breaking into this digression to state I will move non-policy discussion to user's personal pages. Address the policy discussion here, please. - Amgine 05:12, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I find it rather convenient to label any discussion of matters related to this policy which don't fit into a certain world view, as "a digression". Moving all such conversations into user page ghettos, where they will likely go unnoticed by all but the most religious Recent changes devotees, smacks of censorship, and is just a small step shy of deleting this discussion outright.

 * If we can't discuss policy in broad terms, I'm afraid someone will have to clarify the permissible scope of conversation, as I see no bright lines on this page. The conversation has drifted a bit, but is still addressing topics that are closely related to the credentialing of reporters.

 * Is the only discussion of policy which is permissible concerned solely with logistical matters and not the substance of the policy itself?

 * No one is writing War and Peace on this page, so far, so please provide a little flexibility for contributors to say their peace. It's not as if this page sits within the outwardly facing article namespace, so if the concern is one of airing dirty laundry, I think we're safe for now. — DV 10:18, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * While I understand your interest in breaking Wikinews to make a point, David, hopelessly miring the water cooler pages in digressions is not likely to gain any sympathy to your position. This is a digression and does not directly discuss the policy of credentialling reporters.
 * I, and I'm sure others, welcome discussions related to the policy in appropriate venues. For example, a discussion about the Opium article as it relates to credentialling would be welcome here. But a broad mention that credentialling is connected to concept of hierarchy which led to (in the contributor's opinion) an article being listed on Dr even when a political appointee reported very similar findings to a political body does not quite qualify. Especially when the contributor then goes on to discuss proposed target audiences, retail marketing, and a throw-away sentence or two about an undescribed news event which is only conceptually related to the policy (as in - what happens when you circumvent a policy.)
 * This was followed by your own diatribe pointing out how irrelevant that digression was.
 * Followed by a rejoinder of speculative questions of whether it might be better to not be credentialed (utterly irrelevant to a credentialing policy, as no one would be required to be credentialed to do OR.) Responded to in kind by yourself, regarding the unfortunate breach of privacy which, while very interesting in and of its own right, would be difficult to define as relevant to the policy in question. Still, quite an event to interpret, considering I believe I have copies of every relevant document and can find only two comments from Mr. Wales. And I'm afraid I was the person to expunge the documents from the database.
 * The next comments discuss NPOV as related to a speculative question - how people would react to reporting about events such as the price of oil, Gulf of Tonkin, and bin Laden family members. This whipped into a quick digression about Apple vs. bloggers case and a politician's promises (and why he's president/"we" aren't safer).
 * At which point I broke in to say this has not been about the policy of credentialing reporters.
 * To which you responded with the straw man argument, which is frivolous and does not actually address whether or not the discussion is or has been related to the policy. If it is, and has been, please point it out to me with specificity. - Amgine 11:12, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * You sir are the one trying to break Wikinews to make a point. Dictating what can and cannot be discussed on a page called "The Watercooler" is the most surefire way to break this site and drive contributors away.

 * As for "straw man", I was waiting for someone to pull out that old chestnut. It's a favorite throw-away line to use whenever one has lost one's way in a discussion, but you forgot to use the complete form for full effect - I didn't make "a straw man argument", I made "an appallingly bad straw man argument". I'm not surprised you resort to labeling my ideas in this manner while trying to enforce conformity on a discussion page.

 * Go ahead and "refactor" discussions on Wikinews all you want, into the smallest ghetto you can devise. Watch what happens when Wikinews gets a reputation as a tightly controlled ship where one best not get too uppity, or raise too many questions on the wrong pages.

 * You'll only antagonize the more flamboyant contributors on this site by doing so.

 * I can't convince you that it is shortsighted to prevent folks from having their say where they feel the need to do so (and as long as it's not in the article space, here is as good a place as any), which let's these folks get on with their lives, because hindsight is 20/20.

 * So go ahead and accuse me (of all people) of "breaking Wikinews to make a point", ignore me if you like, or use whatever tired old tropes you can think of to marginalize my comments.

 * I make no claim of having any administrative skills, so you probably know what's best for us.

 * By the way, isn't it a privacy abuse to keep a copy of that IRC log? Wasn't it supposed to be permanently deleted? I find I'm rather at a disadvantage to evaluate your comments about who made how many comments in a discussion which officially never existed. (If that's too Orwellian, I apologize - I still find that whole episode rather bizarre and troubling.)

 * — DV 12:21, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * If a Wikinews reporter with credentials discovers his/her level of "access" is affected by his/her reporting; will there be a Wikinews ethical/moral "code" by which the reporter is to deal with the blackmail? Paulrevere2005 14:26, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Also; Wikinews provides a great venue for whistle blowers... corroborated eye-witness reporting by insiders ;e.g. if one of the pilots who whisked the bin-laden family out of the US after 9/11 had been able to write a story with some cellphone video showing the planes being loaded up and heading for Saudi Arabia at the time it was happening; to me that would be a great story. Maybe this is exactly what some do NOT want to see ,perhaps for good reasons(privacy etc.), but I like the concept of "the whole world's an event and we're all reporters." Would credentializing interfere with a non-credentialed user posting stories?? i.e. make it more difficult to post ?? Paulrevere2005 13:25, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * The point of the accreditation process is to give legitimacy for our users to outsiders. Inside the wiki we already have well-established ways to deal with incoming stories, whoever they might be from. -- IlyaHaykinson 18:18, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is NPOV Being Mis-used as an Excuse to Neutralize and Censor News Facts Which "Big Brother"(western governments/businesses) Would Like to see Neutralized/Censored??
Note; If others can use the term "conspiracy theory" so liberally, then I can use the term "Big Brother"liberally.

 * This does not mean any of us are knowingly working for "Big Brother"; but perhaps we (myself included) are all becoming parts of "Big Brother". Hopefully I need not explain to the intelligent people here that brainwashed people rarely know (much less admit) when they are being brainwashed. The questions are whether its only human nature to protect the majority POV in any society and to what extent the constant onslaught of "Remember 9/11" and "Support Our Troops" programming has caused us to become robotic defenders of western government and business activities. Defenders in the sense that we may not personally agree with those activities but we feel a duty to "protect" our "big brother" and are hijacking concepts like NPOV to use as weapons to defend her?

To me the most obvious recent example was the insertion of our western POV into the initial reports of the killing of the Italian Intelligence Officer by American forces by reporting it on Day 1 as an "accident"or "mistake" with no associated information to that effect; the US wasn't even admitting their soldiers did it on Day 1. With true NPOV we could no more assume/report that event as a "mistake" than we can assume/report that an insurgent bomb that kills Iraqi policemen is a "mistake".

 * Another example; even though American companies are the overwhelming force in international mining, in the Peruvian/Newmont story about problems associated with international mining, the word "american" had to be removed. When the Afghan dope story first came in, it was labeled a "conspiracy theory" until Big Brother's Connie Rice gave it credibility by filing a similar report; thus exemplifying Big Brother's ability to put a "ready for general release" stamp of approval on any type of information.

 * Isn't the short-form of Condoleezza Rice's name "Condi"? Connie is a different name. All publicity is good publicity as long as you spell the name right. — DV 13:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is correct; its "Condi". Paulrevere2005 13:52, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * My point is, let's please think about our words and not turn NPOV into a selective censoring filter for use in protecting the images/reputations of our western governments and businesses. Paulrevere2005 12:57, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Excellent point! Thanks for keeping everyone on their toes. — DV 13:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Please remember that all Wikinews stories are the work of the entire community - not the original writer - and that straw man-type of arguments in writing will most likely-be targeted as extolling a particular POV. Every claim, opinion or statement of fact needs to be cited to an outside source or it will most likely be deleted as unverifiable or as POV. In addition,  a WN story should treat all sides fairly in representation - which also means we should probably avoid ad hominem-type labels and phraseology in our writing. -- Davodd | Talk  18:36, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree that ad hominem arguments are weak. Paulrevere2005 22:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I'll ever understand the word ad hominem, but thank you anyway for linking it Davodd.

I do not believe NPOV should be taken as a means of censure, it is a means of maintaining creditability. The point is this, would you rather read somebody's opinion on a news event, or read just a factual account?

Everybody has an opinion. Reporting just the facts lets readers make up their own mind.

edw 19:09, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd like to echo edw's comment there. Dan100 (Talk) 09:13, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wiki Links
We commonly link countries to the wikipedia article, e.g. United States, Romania etc. Why? Everyone knows a little about the USA already - at least what it is (a country in North America). So I propose that when we mention a country's name it should link to either the category page or the Local Portal e.g. United States, Romania. It would keep traffic at wikinews longer and it would probably be more useful for our readers. At the top of the category pages we could link to the wikipedia article. I'm going to start doing this myself soon if there's reasonably agreement. Any comments? -> CGorman (Talk)  18:14, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Fully support. I'll start doing this too. -- IlyaHaykinson 18:40, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The more I think about this the more it makes sense. I'm going to go back over my articles (the ones i've started) and make this change to them now. Its just crazy that we are making it so easy for readers to end up in Wikipedia! -> CGorman (Talk)  21:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - but I think that WP links to specific cities is still appropriate. -- Davodd | Talk 21:21, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, of course, im just saying we should stop linking in the case of countries. If the article is on Bill Gates and the annual Forbes list then undoubtably it should link to wikipedia to explain who gates is and what the rich list is all about. Im just trying to come up with ideas to retain traffic and promote the local news sections (e.g. UK, Ireland. Thanks for the support. -> CGorman (Talk)  21:49, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose It depends on the situation. If the article is about country x, background information on country x is more relevant than current news related to country x. - Amgine 22:06, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps in the case of smaller less well known countries such as Azerbaijan - but certainly not in the case of the US or Japan. Either way the category pages should link to the relevent wikipedia article in order to provide the background info. I think that a person having read about Yushchenko's Poisoning, would gain better background by having easy access to the other events going on in Ukraine and also having the option to see the wikipedia article, than just going straight to wikipedia. -> CGorman (Talk)  22:15, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * So if I have an article about Japan's governmental form, you are fully aware of the system by which it maintained? It all depends on the context. We would like Wikipedia to direct users to Wikinews for current events; similarly we should direct users to Wikipedia for factual citations. - Amgine 22:24, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - it should be the authors choice on a case by case scenario. But I would expect an article on the Japanese governemt to open with something like Today in Japan (link to our Japan page), the government (link to Japanese government entry at wikipedia) announced... Regardless we could argue out case by case examples all night... would you agree to a back this policy more as a guideline stating that the author should choose which is more relevent - but try to include both if possible? -> CGorman (Talk)  22:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Although I'm no longer writing articles regularly, I do think CGorman's idea is a good one. It's bugged me how wikilinks tend to take people away from the site - and when that happens, there's a good chance they don't return, and instead just start surfing Wikipedia! Dan100 (Talk) 09:16, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Support I really should spend more time at this watercooler. There are heaps of really great ideas like this that just pass me by. ~The bellman | Smile 12:17, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dates too
Forget to mention this one earlier. It is madness to link to wikipedia for dates after Nov 04'! Say for example we are writing an article on the recent eartquakes and mention the date of the first quake (back on St. Stephen's/Boxing day) we should link to December 26 in our archives/categorization scheme not December 26 at wikipedia! -> CGorman (Talk)  17:03, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong agreement. It's nice to have the article time stamp linking to the archive date, but unless the date has specific relevance to the article's subject matter (for example an article about 11 Sept. or another internationally important date event) there is no reason for the link.
 * Creeping over-wikification is something I am noticing, particularly with popular articles where everyone would like to add a small bit to the effort. Unless something is particularly relevant to the article, it should not be linked. (e.g. Wikipedia has articles on time stamp, date, September, archive... but they aren't linked here because they aren't specifically relevant.) - Amgine 17:25, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

April fool poll?
Is it worth creating a April fool poll to ask if such articles should be quick-deleted? It seems obvious to me that we should treat such jokes as vandalism. — Jeandré du Toit, 2005-03-29t10:30z

 * How about we add a link (for april 1 only) into the contents to an april fools page, and put anything there. I think it would be nice to make the site a little less serious with a couple of CLEARLY MARKED spoofs. ~The bellman | Smile  12:06, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * It's bad enough that we don't have a legal department to review our articles, but April fool stories are just tempting fate with a red cape. I'd recommend staying away from spoofs at all costs.

 * Also, long after April 1, those stories will still be in the history, lurking to cause trouble when we least expect it.

 * I like to joke around as much as the next guy, but some readers (and perhaps some contributors) have absolutely no sense of humor.

 * Please, let's keep the levity on the user talk and article discussion pages. — DV 16:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * April Fools stories, as hoaxes, should easily fall in the speedy delete category. The last thing Wikinews needs as it is building a reputation for being reliable is to endorse false news of any kind. -- Davodd | Talk 16:06, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * However, please don't confuse one of my "food safety" stories with a hoax if it sounds unbelievable. If I can't be on the scene to shoot photos, I'll be sure to add copious citations whenever there might be doubt! — DV 17:25, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL. If a story can be verified, then it is not a hoax, no matter how strange the facts are. Wendy's anyone? I hear the chili is finger-licking good. -- Davodd | Talk 18:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This site takes itself too seriously. ~The bellman | Smile 00:33, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * If we don't take ourselves seriously, why would we expect anyone else to do so? -- Davodd | Talk 03:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Can't trust w: for pictures then the whole thing is in trouble!
The picture of w:Pope John Paul II came right from Wikipedia. Any questions? Seems like someone made a big boooo boo. --Alan J. Franklin 22:37, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia has different guidelines regarding images from those of commons. If there is a different license on the image (such as CC-sa or PD) than what is listed, then the commons image should be updated before it is deleted there. In the meantime, we'd rather not have a broken image link when commons decides to deleted the image from their library. - Amgine 22:46, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Kool. Live and learn... --Alan J. Franklin 22:56, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It is one of the restrictions we're trying to learn to live with... Not that we necesarily like it. - Amgine 22:59, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do we have to live with that? As a news organisation, our use of some images easily fall under fair dealing/fair use such as logos and probably a promotional photo such as this one.  Why can wikipedia use fair use but not wikinews? DoubleBlue 23:57, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * There are a variety of reasons. The first is our licensure is Public Domain - while graphics are licensed separately, content re-users will likely simply violate image licensure if we host them here. Another is Wikinews is in beta in part to discover what are the major needs this project will have - we know fair use images is one of those needs so we have to create a process for managing graphics and then propose the change. - Amgine 00:06, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the speedy reply. The part about beta makes sense and I'm glad to hear that fair use will be forthcoming.
 * As for worrying that visitors to site will steal pics, there are plenty of better places on the internet where pics are already lifted every minute of the day. You can't police the use visitors make of the site other than to display copyright info.  The image tagging procedure set up for Wikimedia does that better than anywhere else I've seen. DoubleBlue 00:35, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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What is WikiNews

 * Where would I go to find the current thinking about the ideal Wikinews article? In particular, how does the ideal Wikinews article differ from the ideal Wikipedia article or Wiktionary entry?  Is there an equivalent to "What Wikipedia is not" and  it's cousins?  Thanks.  Rossami 22:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You're looking for Content guide, What Wikinews is, What Wikinews is not, and of course The Newsroom. Uncle G 15:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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China anti-textbook protests grow larger

April 10, 2005 Chinese protests against the publication of a Japanese government textbook continued for a second day in China, (Sunday) as an estimated three thousand protesters marched on the Japanese consulate in Guangzhou. Thousands of protesters also marched in Shenzhen, throwing objects at Japanese businesses.

The protesters repeated their demands for a boycott of Japanese goods, to block Japan from obtaining a seat on the U.N. Security Council, and for Japan to change textbooks which they say whitewash Japan's war atrocities. Protesters burned Japanese flags while singing and shouting anti-Japanese slogans. They also carried anti-Japanese signs along with Chinese flags. Chinese view the textbook as "whitewashing" the events and actions of Japan to cast them in a more positive light.

The protests are against the, which is publishing a high-school textbook that refers to the Nanjing Massacre as an "incident" (translation) and de-emphasizes the roles of comfort women as well as the contemporary issues surrounding Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's visits to the Yasukuni shrine, in honor of Japanese soldiers.

The Japanese government has claimed that the demonstrations have an "anti-Japanese sentiment," for which China should apologise. In, Japan formally summoned Wang Yi, China's ambassador to Japan, concerning China's actions on Sunday.

"We formally demanded China’s apology and compensation," said Japanese Foreign Minister. He also said that Wang Yi replied "No" when asked for an apology.

While not issuing a formal apology through diplomatic channels, Wang claimed that China did not approve of the violent aspects of the protests.

"The (Chinese) government does not agree with extreme action," he said.

Back in, the People's Daily reported that Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang deflected blame away from China for the recent downturn in Sino-Japanese relations.

"Japan must adopt an earnest attitude and appropriate ways to deal with major principled issues concerning the feelings of the Chinese people," Qin said. "The Japanese have to do more things conducive to enhancing mutual trust and maintaining the relations between the two countries, rather than doing the reverse," he said.


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Scientists proudly display oldest crystal on Earth

April 10, 2005

A tiny piece of rock 4.4 billion years old went on display in, Sunday for one day only. A jazz band played music, with rocks for percussion, which they said might be appropriate for displaying the bit of crystal, barely two human hairs wide.

The tiny gem was found in in 1984, and analyzed in 2001 by experts, and has led to the reappraisal of early.

geophysicist Professor John Valley said his work proved the crystal could only have formed in a low-temperature environment.

"The whole thing is something that captures your imagination," he told reporters. "This is our first glimpse into the earliest history of the Earth. The miraculous thing about the crystal is that we've been able to make such wide-ranging inferences about the early Earth."

The exhibit was under police guard. The tiny sliver will return to Australia with a professor from in, who discovered it in 1984. It will go to a museum.


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FDA recalls "Mama's" brand smoked salmon

April 10, 2005 A nationwide alert for consumers to avoid the 'Mama's Smoked Nova Salmon' product in 8-oz. bags was issued by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) when the threat of contamination with Listeria monocytogenes was discovered.

Listeria is a bacteria organism which can be serious and sometimes cause fatal infections, particularly in the young, frail or the elderly.

Healthy individuals may suffer only short-term symptoms such a high fever, severe headache, stiffness, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhea. Symptoms vary with the ability of the patient's immune reaction, and could be life-threatening.

Consumers are urged to return the product, individual 8-oz. packages marked: "SELL BY SEP 17 2005 27183", "SELL BY SEP 18 2005 27183". They may also be in shipping cartons labeled: "09/17/05 SELL BY 27183", "09/18/05 SELL BY 27183" to the place of purchase for a full refund. Questions may be directed to the company's recall coordinator at (305) 621-7600 ext 211.


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Israeli president shakes hands with leaders of Syria, Iran at Pope's funeral

April 11, 2005

In controversial reporting by the Israeli media,, the President of Israel, reportedly shook hands with two Mideastern leaders, the Iranian President Mohammad Khatami and Syrian President , during his trip to the Pope's funeral on April 8. If true, it is a notable incident and the first time leaders of the two anti-Zionist nations of Iran and Syria have ever shaken hands with an Israeli leader.

Syria is still technically in a decades-old state of war with Israel since an end to it was never officially declared. Peace talks between the two countries broke down in March 2000 when Bashar Assad's father,, rejected a peace proposal of former President. Since Hafez Assad's death in June 2000, peace talks have not resumed.

Iran has had no diplomatic relations with either Israel or the United States since their in 1979.

The three leaders were seated near each other while observing the funeral by a coincidence of their alphabetical listing. "The Syrian president sat in the chair behind me ... we exchanged smiles and shook hands," said Katsav, according to the website of Israel's newspaper.

Katsav also claims he later shook hands and spoke with Khatami and Assad during the traditional Christian service exchange of peace. Katsav and Khatami, both born in the Iranian city of, share the Persian language. Katsav reportedly said when leaving, "the Iranian president held his hand out to me. I shook his hand and greeted him in Farsi."

Upon Khatami's return to Iran, he denied the handshake ever occurred, saying “These allegations are false like all the other allegations made by the Israeli media and I have not had any meeting with a personality from the Zionist regime,” according to the. "As reiterated time and again, we do not morally and logically recognize Israel which was created based on force and usurpation."

He continued with "[Iran] would not do anything against the Middle East peace plans ...but the world should know that as long as the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people are not recognized, these peace plans will not achieve anything'."

According to the Jerusalem Post, a member of Assad's entourage did confirm on Friday night that a handshake with Katsav occurred, and reported this quote by a Syrian Army Radio source saying "the gesture was an expression of manners and has no political significance." Katsav also told Israeli Channel 2 News on Friday evening that his handshakes with Assad and Khatami were merely polite gestures and had no implications for the relationships between their countries.


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Category:Massachusetts

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title: Category:Massachusetts