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Hello! I see you do not agree with the article 16,000 protest School of the Americas. I have put the page at the Deletion requests list. I suggest you take a look. Thanks. carlosar ~ Dez 4 11:37:48 UTC 2004

 * You have been against the article: Aljazeera says United States have used napalm in Fallujah. I see your point and I think your objections are right. I am trying to fix the article now. I would apreciate your participation.---Carlosar 21:55, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please, take a look:"16,000 protest School of the Americas".Is it better now? I need help to fix it --Carlosar 01:52, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Please, look again:"16,000 protest School of the Americas". Carlosar 22:15, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ed Poor!
No, I screwed up... I was only meaning to revert the edit deleting the term "unrelated", but turns out I reverted all your edits... I apologize.

A relationship is the element which must be "proven". Claiming a relationship where none exists is POV, but point out there is no relationship is not inherently POV. I happen to think the statement is redundant, in that particular paragraph at least, since the para after gives that view quite nicely. But deleting it is probably POV in the context. - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:11 (UTC)

 * I would say that if Bush (or somebody almost as famous ;-) claimed that two things were related, it would be worthwhile to attribute that POV to him.

 * Saying that two things are, or are not related -- particularly in politics -- is tricky. Wouldn't it be better for WikiNews to say something like Bush said / implied that Iraq and 9-11 were related than baldly to assert that they are unrelated; we, the reporters, know this for a fact, and we are telling you: Bush is wrong.

 * Anyway, I didn't come here to stir up trouble. I just looked at the first news story that caught my eye, and I thought I saw a mistake or two. I'll be good. I have to. I just wrote object consciousness. Ed Poor 30 June 2005 00:17 (UTC)

 * Actually, I think one source does specifically mention the events are unrelated. On Wikinews each article is supposed to source all factual statements, such as whether the events are unrelated. I will double check now.

 * Well after I read that wp article... - Amgine/talk 30 June 2005 00:21 (UTC)

Speaking of sheep, yesterday's article on the sheep study cited a discredited study by LeVay on the brain size hypothesis. Has anyone bothered to read what Simon LeVay said at Biology_and_sexual_orientation?

 * He stated, "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain. ...Since I look at adult brains, we don't know if the  differences I found were there at birth or if they appeared later."

WikiNews writing guidelines
I dug these two quotes up.

News is factual. Opinions should be sourced from qualified sources, and the fact that those people express those opinions becomes the fact that is reported.

It is of utmost importance that we cite sources for any factual claim we make -- either in reputable online and offline media, or our own original reporting. Try to track down the first source that makes a particular claim.

Opposition
It appears you are right, Ed. I remember trying to edit out the "commented" language, but only got halfway through the paragraph! :| -Stevertigo

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Mozambique elections: Frelimo ahead, abstention levels could reach 80%

The Mozambique presidential elections vote count continued Friday in all of the country, with Frelimo and it's candidate Armando Guebuza leading, according to the preliminary results already known, and especially in Maputo, Gaza and Inhambane, traditional regions of influence for the party in power.

With just over 400 thousand votes counted, the Frelimo candidate was ahead with 293 800 votes, against 108 807 to Afonso Dhlakama and 7899 to Raul Domingos. Unnoficial estimates report abstention levels to be between 70% and 80%.

If confirmed, these abstention levels could force a run-off next month, if neither candidate wins the 50% of votes necessary to win the elections.

Mozambique's official electoral commission is only obligated to announce the final results by Dec. 17.

Rain, Logistics and Cashew problems
Heavy rains, as well as extreme heat and logistics problems during the 2-day elections could explain the low voter turnout, but there could be other factors responsible for this, specifically the start of the cashew season, a traditional source of income for a substantial part of the population.

The cashew season begins in late November, extending to February or March, mainly in four provinces: Gaza and Inhambane (Frelimo strongholds), and especially in Zambézia and Nampula (Renamo strongholds).

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Tommy Thompson steps down as Secretary of Health and Human Services

Tommy Thompson has joined the growing number of secretaries to leave President George Bush's cabinet.

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Humans may have contributed to 2003 European heatwave

December 4, 2004 Scientists using a computer model of the typical European summer with no human influences (without global warming) have compared it to the same model with global warming included. They have concluded that human influence makes extremely warm summers (i.e. summers as warm as the 2003 heatwave) more than twice as likely.

Commentators have suggested that in the future this may open the way for lawsuits against heavy polluters by persons whose livelihoods have been affected by adverse climate change. However, the report stesses that though it is in fact impossible to pin any specific extreme climate event on either global warming or natural climate variation, human activities increase the frequency of such events.

The study is based upon climate activity during the last 50 years, which can only be replicated with computer models which include human forcing (CO2 and other greenhouse gases (GHGs)). However, even within a warmer world the summer of 2003 was anomalously warm in Europe. Most simulations of 2003 climate produce cooler weather in Europe than what actually happened. It is not yet known if flaws in the models cause this difference, if the warmth of 2003 was part of a trend, or 2003 was merely unusually hot. If there will be a warming trend, a model predicts that such summers could become an event of 1-in-2 probability only by 2050.

In the Americas, a series of sudden weather changes has been more frequent in the last 15 years since the discovery of the phenomenon knows as El Niño, in which vast regions of North and South America suffered weather extremes ranging from high tides to extreme hail, rain and snowstorms during summer and winter seasons following extremely hot summers. There's still no scientific evidence that El Niño is directly influenced by human factors.


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Wikinews talk:Writing an article

Locations in all caps.
ARE THERE ANY GOOD REASONS FOR THE ALL CAPS? — Jeandré du Toit, 2004-1204t22:46z

 * Yes, it makes it very clear that it is not part of the first sentence, and the reader can easily see the location. Typically, the location is on the same line as the first sentence, hence the need for this distinction. - Simeon 08:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Need for a article editing form.
Rather than using the current edit box for news articles a form with a number of text field and drop down boxes would be a labour saving device and assure a standardised format.

Text boxes for article name and the article itself would be needed. Date would be assiged automatically (but able to be edited). Drop down lists for geographical area, country and topic would be easy to set up based on the available Categories. Alan Liefting 00:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * That would be a radically large change in the software that we are using to build the wiki-almost to the point of changing it completely, I'd think (but I'm no developer, so I don't know). Probably a long ways away, I'd suspect. Lyellin 01:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Dates
I've changed this to recommend a "house style" of dates to be Month Day, Year (i.e. December 26, 2004). This will let the date be automatically linked to the date categories used on this site. I believe that it helps Wikinews to have a consistent dating style. Please feel free to raise objections. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:21, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Journalistic Ethics
Simeon made a great start on adding a section about ethics to the tutorial, but I think in its present form it is a bit confusing for new contributors. Maybe we can re-write it? see also his new page Code of Ethics:

Code of Ethics
Wikinews hasn't yet to my knowledge adopted or developed a particular Code of Ethics, but several exist already, and there is even (at least) one being developed for adoption by Bloggers. For the time being, lets just say that we should be working somewhat along the lines given in these documents.

 * * US Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics
 * * Australian Journalists Association existing Code of Ethics and proposed revised Code of Ethics (story | more)
 * * Latvian Union of Journalists Code of Ethics
 * * Association of Southeast Asian Nations Journalists' Code of Ethics
 * * Bloggers' Code of Ethics

We will develop a Journalists' Code of Ethics document for wikinews, then link to that from this section, instead of the miscellaneous links and vague assertions above.

'Advanced readers...'
- From the blockquote at the top of the page. I find that rather patronising. Further, there's info on this page all new contributors need read, even if they are familiar with the workings of a wiki. Finally, a big link to an article that doesn't exist doesn't look too good. :( Dan100 00:59, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Byline
I've changed the Byline template and instructions so there's no longer a location given. I know this is standard practice in print media, but we're a little different. Anyone can write a story about something happening anywhere, and I just don't think the location of the writer has relevance. Dan100 (Talk) 20:02, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The template for a date-only header already exists — January 17, 2005 . I think that there are legitimate reasons to have bylines, such as when the reporter is at the location. -- IlyaHaykinson 20:50, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The page history isn't playing ball but someone (you?) has changed the instructions to using the date template. I think that's a good change, and better than my attempts to remove the location from the byline template. Dan100 (Talk) 19:30, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed it a while ago, but then you removed the other options that included byline, I think. Either way, I think it's the way we want it now? -- IlyaHaykinson 19:49, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lol, I didn't notice that there were actually different templates when I cut out the instructions about the location options! Thanks for pointing that out :). Yeah I think what we have now is great. Good work on adding the date template. Dan100 (Talk) 20:03, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Impressive updates, Dan100
Many thanks for your good work! - Amgine 19:23, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Using "subst:" with templates
I have outlined the issues with this change on the talk page for the Reporter's tools page.

I have restored the suggested usage of the "date" and "source" templates presented in "Writing an article" until a consensus is reached on whether "subst:" should be used or not. — DV 20:21, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why there should be no edit links or ToC on this page
This page is a 'front-line' page - that is, it is among the first that will be encountered by a new user interested in editing. There's no need for edit links - in fact it makes it all too easy for people to start 'experimental editing' which, while not harmful (nor vandalism), is tedious to remove. Finally, they look messy, and we're trying to present a professional look.

There's also no need for a ToC. It's simply a series of steps to be followed if you want to publish a story, and that doesn't need a table of contents. Despite our best efforts, there is a minimum number of essential steps, and having the top of the page dominated by a large box highlighting just how many steps there are could be off-putting a new editor. Dan100 (Talk) 11:19, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Add this please ru:Викиновости:Написание статьи.
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Spelling mistake
Substite "hierchically" with "hierarchically" in the See Also section. –Tom Morris (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Freezing articles?
I've seen it claimed that, once that article has been published and archived, it is as important to Wikinews to freeze the article as it was as it is to ensure our articles are good before publication.

What are the policies regarding freezing articles? I have a vague memory of having read something about that, but I'm unable to find it now.

If Wikinews freezes articles, there should be a policy on that, and it shouldn't be hard for people like me to find, I think. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 * I realize I need to write you a really good overview of the big picture of Wikinews. If I can manage really good.  I recall remarking recently on the difficulty of documenting things on a news site.  In this particular case, perhaps what you're looking for is WN:ARCHIVE?  --Pi zero (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Might it be appropriate to cite that in this article on "Writing an article" (and perhaps elsewhere)?  I think people who want to write for Wikinews would like to understand the process of (a) writing, (b) editing, (c) publishing, then (d) freezing and archiving.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 15:25, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 * An interesting thought. It's sometimes been remarked here that anything you contribute to Wikipedia is writ in water, whereas if one succeeds in publishing here, it has permanence, and one would think that would attract more contributors.  But that sort of thing isn't an attraction if it isn't presented well.  --Pi zero (talk) 15:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Polls are used by wiki communities to debate contentious issues and ultimately reach a decision democratically.

Each poll may have its own requirements for voting, often being registered for a certain time or having a minimum number of edits. All polls require logged-in users. Please read individual polls before voting.

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 * Crossword poll
 * Should Wikinews allow crosswords or other similar games?
 * RESULT: YES

 * Dateline Poll
 * Should we make it a requirement for successful peer review that an article have a standardised date in the title?
 * RESULT: NO

 * English spelling poll
 * For preferred spelling, should we use British, American or a combination of both?
 * RESULT: No clear consensus: Use either with consideration of both original writer and location of story, as appropriate
 * American English: 0
 * British English: 1
 * Either - First Writer (decides) theory: 7
 * Either - Appropriate to the locality of story: 10

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 * Should page titles be capitalized? (Upstyle: "US President Bush Visits China For Trade Agreement" vs. Downstyle: "US President Bush visits China for trade agreement")?
 * RESULT: No clear consensus: Downstyle is generally preferred
 * Wikinews article file names: Upstyle: 11 Downstyle: 48
 * Cited headlines in articles: Upstyle: 6 Downstyle: 40
 * Wikinews articles listed on Wikinews directory pages (ex: links from Main Page): Upstyle: 21 Downstyle: 26

 * Opinion articles poll
 * Should Wikinews allow the "publishing" of non-neutral point-of-view articles attributed to a single author?
 * RESULT: No clear consensus. (Combined YES votes: 11 Combined NO votes:10 DELAY votes: 8)

 * Main Page poll
 * What should the function of the Main Page be and what should it include?
 * RESULTS: No clear consensus.

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 * Is the ArbCom accepted poicy?
 * RESULTS: YES

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Wikinews:Main Page poll

Regarding: Purpose of the Main Page

Requirements: Logged-in user on Wikinews. One vote per user per question. Voting ends January 21, 2005 at 00:01 UTC.

Main Page should display links of top-stories in addition to linking to separate sections
--24.16.143.217 06:33, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Illanos 01:04, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) but do it in a similar way to google news, i.e. sections -> a few top stories within each section
 * 2) I agree.---Carlosar 02:22, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) Bjarki 02:39, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) what Illanos said ^^^
 * 4) Jiang 04:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) TalkHard 13:11, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) agree with Illanos. --Whosyourjudas 03:58, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) Lankiveil 05:18, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) Cap'n Refsmmat 00:19, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) I agree. If we do this, however, we have to provide category and dates in every article... which is simple enough.
 * 9) IlyaHaykinson 18:02, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Andrevan 20:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) softssa 20:27, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 12) Affirm Kurt Weber 04:21, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 13) Agree with Illanos. Codernaut 21:20, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 14) -- Davodd | Talk 11:34, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) Dan100 12:08, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * -- OverlordP 09:54, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Main Page should include a separate box of articles being written and edited

 * 1) Illanos 01:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Bjarki 02:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC), it can stay on the main page but it should be smaller and placed lower on the page.
 * 3) TalkHard 13:11, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) Should stay, at least for now, to get more people editing.
 * 4) Lankiveil 05:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC). Yes, but it should not be as high on the page as it is now. Perhaps place it below the latest headlines.
 * 5) Cap'n Refsmmat 00:19, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) Yes, so they're edited and seen. But please, move it down and expand the current news box to include categories and stuff.
 * 6) Lyellin 00:23, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) I agree with Lankiveil. Move it down a bit.
 * 7) IlyaHaykinson 18:02, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) (I feel that it should stay where it is until Wikinews grows enough to rotate through the left-side current news box very quickly)
 * 8) For a while. This should be subject to change. Andrevan 20:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) softssa 20:27, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Eloquence 05:57, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) for now
 * 11) Simeon 15:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Dan100 (Talk) 11:54, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) As it currently does, at least for now.

Main Page should NOT include a separate box of articles being written and edited

 * 1) There are advantages and disadvantages about using separate box of articles being written and edited at the Main Page. Sometimes I think it could work, sometimes I think the opposite. For now I think it is not a good idea. A separate section like Article workspace is a better idea.---Carlosar 02:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) a separate community page will do --Jiang 04:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) I think the 'being edited' box is difficult to maintain, not very easy to see changes to, and not as informative to the potential contributor as a full-blown page. The 'being edited' box may have some effect on drawing contributors, but I'm not sure it's significant or worth the credibility or front-page space. Perhaps a full page could just be well advertised on the Main Page. Workspace is the what we have in terms of a full page right now. 119 05:46, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) no. provide a link.jkrusky 22:22, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) Two reasons: First (because it's quickest to type) is stylistic--it just clutters up the main page.  Second is that providing links to incomplete (and often, at that point, misleading or outright incorrect) articles harms our credibility.  As for attracting writers, anyone who's seriously interested in writing good, informative articles will be willing to spend some time poking around and ACTUALLY READING THE RELEVANT POLICIES rather than just dive in over his head and get frustrated when people correct his work for content, style, and form--making an unpleasant experience for him and lowering the quality of Wikinews overall as we spend more time correcting the work of writers who aren't interested in doing things right the first time and less on perfecting the work of writers who are. Kurt Weber 04:25, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) If Google News ever starts crawling our site, those incomplete stories will be fed to the world - warts, errors and all. We should develop a community page ot newsroom page for works in progress. -- Davodd | Talk 11:37, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Opinion articles poll

Regarding: Controvery over whether a non-neutral, personally-written "column," "editorial," or "opinion piece" should be "published" on Wikinews and, if so, how.

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Yes, WITH requirements, disclaimers, or separate listings from news articles
1. I think we should allow opinion articles, but keep them separate from the rest of the news. It would give exposure to people trying out their hand at opinion pieces, it would be clear to anyone that the article is not subject to NPOV, and because I think most people enjoy editorials and reading other opinions, it would make for a very interesting section of the site. After all, every newspaper and magazine has a section specifically for this... The opinion pieces should always have the full name of the author --Shana 14:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2. Opinion pieces should be allowed - most news sites provide them as editorials, and they can be a valuable addition to inform and educate. However, there should be a review process, to ensure that articles presented as argument or opinion are at least supportable by facts. It would be a disservice to allow a forum for people to spread, for example, hate speech. I'm not opposed to allowing editorials from only pre-approved authors, but wonder how that would work? jkrusky 22:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3. Yes, yes, yes. As long as the column is checked before displayed on the main page, and verified to be of good quality, I completely support this. We don't want people to make columns when they have no grammar or spelling skills. We also want to be sure that they actually are better than the news articles themselves. Cap'n Refsmmat 00:28, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

4. Yes, definitely allow editorials. We need to develop an editorial policy and establish a review process for editorials. Kuro5hin is a good model to base this on - the site allows anyone to submit an article. Although they don't really have an editorial policy or a style policy, the community (in theory) polices itself because all the users can make editorial suggestions about a submitted article, and vote on whether to post it. Kuro5hin does suck now, but that's becau se it was overrun by trolls in the absence of a real administrator. We won't have that problem, right? We clearly need an editorial policy against hate speech, libel, etc. I'd also suggest a remove personal attacks policy. I do not think that columnists should be required to give their real name. Rhobite 15:13, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

5. Editorials have their place in news sources. Andrevan 19:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

6. I agree. Every major newspaper has editorials and so should Wikinews. Andrew pmk 22:15, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

7. If Wikinews is intended to be like a newspaper, and there are newspapers listed on the Reference desk, then it must have editorials.-- AliceCrypto (Talk|Contributions) 17:44, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

8. YES! We should have monitored and structured opinion writings. They should not be allowed to be irractial, but informitive with a person's view. cafzal 15:37, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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9. Yes, wikinews should allow well written editorials.

10. YES ! free expression. Greudin 12:25, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

11. Yes, as long as the editorials are coherent.--Cjc244 16:31, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

12. Yes, as long as it is obvious that it is not a NPOV. Peterbb 03:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, for authors that have been voted acceptable by the community
1. Would this not be classified as an editorial? Opinions of respected journalists and editors appear regularly in the mass media. I think that opinion pieces should be permitted, so long as the author attaches their full real name to the piece, and they are able to express themselves well. Neolux 2. Wikinews has established a life as it's own. It needs to move beyond 'beta', and try being a news community that is self-reliant. -Edbrown05 09:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, in user namespace
1. If you want to express opinions, stop talking about it and start doing it. The question is not whether to express opinions, but how to present them. Vote on presenting opinion articles when there are such things. If opinions relevant to the news and to the wiki turn out to be a bad idea even in user namespace, they can be removed. --merriam 09:13, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2. IlyaHaykinson 17:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) (I am leaning towards the Delay option, but I feel that this is a good compromise until then, and allows content to be created that can later move to the main namespace)

3. User: Tem Noon It should be clearly different than the news articles, but to not permit it excludes valuable perspective on what that writer will contribute to news articles. And, inevitably, if there were no place to "let your hair down" on the site, it will soon show up in articles. Even if the job here is to keep those articles clean, it would be making extra work. It is valuable for people to clearly separate the news, from their opinions on it. To not allow expression that people want to post would diffuse valuable productive energy into some other community. Erring on the side of inclusivity, there may be good reason for their impulse to post.

No

 * 1) Maybe later not now.---Carlosar 02:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Get a blog! -Fennec 16:57, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree, get a blog. This isn't a niche that wikinews needs to fill. --wikt:user:eean 04:39, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Davodd | Talk 23:18, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) Agree with Fennec. This should be a platform for news, not opinions. Dan100 12:10, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) the value of Wikinews is that it is *news* NOT opinion. once opinion is permitted it will creep inexorably into news articles until Wikinews becomes indistinguishable from all the other mainstream, so called news media. 3 Jan 2005
 * No, Not now. Maybe someday we can start a site named "wikiwars", but not yet. ChrisW 06:41, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Not on Wikinews. Simeon 15:40, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) As someone else already stated; Get a blog Anth 23:32, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Yep, this is better placed on a blog.  I like have the NPOV here because it's unique in the web world, AFAIK.  There's plenty of other places to editorialize. MikeEdwards 18:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) Not here, it's the great novelty of Wikinews versus mainstream media. It's hard to follow this rule of the wikinews' gameplay but i am feeling it as something very important for our future. Jacques Divol

 * As for the options?
 * 1. No requirements, disclaimers, or separate listings from news articles.
 * This will help the readers to confuse news material from opinions. It will appear as the Official Formal Opinion of Wikinews and/or the Foundation. Libel, anyone?
 * 2. Yes, for authors that have been voted acceptable by the community.
 * Cliques, factions, Stifling The Truth, 'a Secrect Cabal that controls the WMF behind the scenes via IRC' accusations.
 * 3. Yes, in user namespace.
 * Already possible, isn't it? Like Merriam said, this is a matter of presentation. However, I object to opinion pieces. The namespace doesn't matter. You know at least one person that'll get confused by this. What would you think of opinion pieces, written by journalists that contribute to 'YourFavoriteOnlinePaper', published on their personal pages in 'YourFavoriteOnlinePaper.com'? Newcomers to Wikinews are more likely to make that mistake, and Wikinews strives to get out there, right?
 * Wikinews has been in Beta for a few weeks now. We haven't seen the current model succeed and we haven't seen it fail. We haven't seen if the realization of a peer-reviewed, NPOV news source works. Why end it here? Why allow non-collaborative, POV material? Does wikinews have the manpower to review both news pieces and opinion pieces?
 * Can you picture a peer-reviewed opinion piece?
 * Also, am I missing something or does 'personally-written "column," "editorial," or "opinion piece"' sound like it also applies to album, movie and book reviews? If Opinions get voted YES, make sure they only apply to Current Events.
 * This will open up new possibilties for trouble. Edit wars, accusations, external links to opinion pieces that'll be confused with official news. No matter how conspicuous the disclaimer will be, you know some will look past it.
 * WMF is most known for Wikipedia. Wikinews is and will be thought of as a related venture. Wikinews opinions' reputation will carry over to Wikinews, and from there to Wikipedia.
 * Wikiopinions makes no sense in the Wikimedia context. I thought the logic behind the wiki medium is collaboration. The hope that a collaboration of anyone's contributions can create an information source that matches up or exceeds existing, traditional sources.
 * This sounds like Wikiblogs to me.
 * However, if this votes through, I'm making a 'Crossfire' like opinion page. Who's up for playing antagonist/protagonist? --Jill St. Crux 19:12, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Just a note: "Can you picture a peer-reviewed opinion piece?" Obviously, the opinion pieces would NOT be peer reviewed. People could discuss them, but not edit them. That would be just plain dumb if they were supposed to edit them. Cap'n Refsmmat 00:55, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * My usage of 'peer-reviewed' applied to both peer edits (grammar and spelling) and peer moderation (which opinion pieces get published/authorized and which do not). Again, I stress my opinion that both review processes will lead to feuds and that the latter will lead to 'factionization', as opinion pieces are inherently POV.
 * How will the quality of opinion pieces be judged?
 * Keep in mind that if content isn't moderated nor supervised, contributors will have de facto carte blanche. --Jill St. Crux 17:54, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In itself, Wikinews 'explicitly allows original reporting, making it somewhat similar to Indymedia, while adhering to a strict Neutral Point of View policy'. Opinions, on the other hand, are not original reporting and are not NPOV.

Delay

 * 1) I think opinion pieces should wait until the rest of Wikinews has stabilized, including a policy for original reporting.When that happens, say, 3 months from now, we should think carefully about how to best guarantee a neutral approach to handling opinion articles. This could be done by having a phase where we solicit pieces from different "factions" on an issue, and not publishing the articles until this time has elapsed (longer for timeless issue, just a day or so for time-critical ones).--Eloquence 02:11, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't think that we're ready for this right now.  I'm especially concerned as to how we would handle these in a neutral way (since opinion articles are POV by definition).  Once we get other things sorted out, we might be in a better position to answer this question.  Lankiveil 05:18, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) I feel like this is a matter of "let's get the regular news settled, then take on new challenges." Lyellin 21:18, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm leaning towards the "No, get a blog" crowd, but that would also rule out if someone actually comes up with a way the community can deal with them. I definitely feel now is not the time for them.--Herda05 01:01, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) I also kind of lean toward the "Get a blog" crowd, but I can also see potential benefits. I think this is something we should do after Wikinews stabilizes as well. Then, we will have a better perspective, and also a better awareness of the specific needs opinion pieces could fill. Samrolken 08:43, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) I think we should have them, but i dont think we need them yet. Lets work on NPOV articles first before we start with all the trimmings. The bellman 00:34, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) It is too early to decide on it. Radouch 15:54, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) Guaka 17:09, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Twin bombings hit Baghdad's Green Zone

Two were detonated outside an Iraqi police station near the  here Saturday, killing 16 and wounding dozens.

The attacks occurred near the Checkpoint 2 entrance at 9:30 a.m. Immediately after the blasts, a small arms attack was launched by rebels on Checkpoint 1.

Entrances into the Green Zone, frequented by foreigners and journalists, were immediately sealed.

Among the four killed were police officers, and between 35 and 60 were reportedly wounded.

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Napster founder Shawn Fanning introduces new file-sharing project

Shawn Fanning, the creator of Napster and a founder of Snocap, Inc., on Friday revealed his plans for a legal peer-to-peer file-sharing platform. Snocap has signed an agreement with Universal Music Group to make the company's entire catalogue available through the new service. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.

According to Snocap's press release, the platform will include a copyright management interface, which will allow content owners to control the distribution of their intellectual property among users. The service's main competitor would be Apple's iTunes Music Store, which is currently the most widely used legal source of downloadable music.


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Article is OK
It seems ok to me. Other opinions welcome.--- Carlosar 02:29, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tagging?
The author has signed their user name at the end of the article; is that allowed?/is that where wikinews is going? Other than that article is ok. Illanos 14:08, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

remove tag if you feel its not appropriate
I added my username because I thought it might be helpful to some people who'd like an author reference. I have absolutely no objections to having it removed. --Coffee


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Older archiving conventions
These archives are due to be merged into year-based archives.

Articles which were deleted

 * 2005

 * July 1, 2005 until July 31, 2005
 * August 1, 2005 until September 2, 2005
 * September 3, 2005 until September 15, 2005
 * September 16, 2005 until October 31, 2005
 * November 1, 2005 until December 7, 2005
 * December 8, 2005 until January 28, 2006
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 * January 29, 2006 to March 13, 2006
 * March 14, 2006 to April 30, 2006
 * May 1, 2006 to June 15, 2006
 * June 16, 2006 to July 31, 2006
 * August 1, 2006 to August 31, 2006
 * September 1, 2006 to January 31, 2007
 * 2007
 * February 1, 2007 to May 15, 2007
 * May 16, 2007 onwards

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 * 2005
 * June 15, 2005 until July 17, 2005
 * July 18, 2005 to January 28, 2006
 * 2006
 * January 29, 2006 to April 30, 2006
 * May 1, 2006 to May 15, 2007
 * 2007
 * May 16, 2007 onwards

 * Requests that closed in 2007, but not archived above

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 * January 1, 2008 through March 31, 2008
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November 29, 2004  Digest for 29 November-5 December 2004

< 22-29 November 2004 • Index • 6-13 December 2004 >

Articles dated 29 November to 5 December 2004 are included in the compilation below. Their status in the current proposed review policy at time of compilation is noted next to each date of articles of some length, with articles only in development being listed at bottom.

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Aljazeera says United States have used napalm in Fallujah

29 November 2004 | Review failed

Fallujah, Iraq - According to Al-jazeera, an Arabic television channel based in Qatar, the United States military have used napalm in its assault on Fallujah. Civilians, it has been reported, have been killed in these latest attacks. The information has not been supported by international mainstream news agencies.

Ukrainian opposition leader calls for police and army to join revolution

29 November 2004| Not participating

KIEV, UKRAINE - President Leonid D. Kuchma Monday proposed holding a new election to end the political crisis threatening to tear the country apart, according to the New York Times.

American teenage girl charged with murder of her own mother

29 November 2004 | Under review

United States - Rachelle Waterman, (aka Rachelle Ann Monica Waterman and "smchyrocky"), a 16-year-old girl from Craig, Alaska, USA, has been charged with the first degree murder of her mother.

Ruling party ahead in Romanian elections

29 November 2004 | Under review

Bucharest. Romania's ruling Social Democrat Party (PSD) has emerged ahead in yesterday's legislative and presidential elections. The voter turnout was around 57% of all eligible voters, which number 18 million people in a country of 21.7 million.

Lycos launches screensaver to increase spammers' bills

29 November 2004 | Peer reviewed

EUROPE - Internet portal and mail-provider Lycos Europe has launched a program to increase spammers' bills by having thousands of voluntary users' computers repeatedly query websites from which spam originates. Such a tactic would increase the bandwidth costs for these websites. However, it also faces legal questions.

US president Bush visits Canada

30 November 2004 | Peer reviewed

OTTAWA - United States President George W. Bush made his first official state visit to Canada this week.

China and South East Asian nations to create the world's largest free trade area

30 November 2004 | Under review

VIENTIANE, Laos - The People's Republic of China has signed an agreement with ASEAN to establish the world's largest free trade area. Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, India and Australia are considering joining. ASEAN members include Myanmar, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam, Singapore and Indonesia.

Outgoing U.S. Congress takes parting jabs at wildlife protection

30 November 2004 | Under review

Washington, DC –– In what is likely to be its final action this term, the 108th Congress nullified the effects of three recent court rulings extending key wilderness protections to wildlife refuge, national park and forest lands, according to Wilderness Watch and Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Through unrelated provisions inserted in the $388 billion omnibus bill, Congressional leaders cut back wilderness safeguards in Alaska, Idaho and the Georgia seacoast.

Hopes rise for breakthrough in Northern Ireland Peace Process

30 November 2004 | Under review

Belfast - Hopes were rising that the impasse in the Good Friday Agreement could be broken with high level talks in Downing Street between the British Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Democratic Unionist leader Ian Paisley.

Valech Report released

30 November, 2004 | Under review

CHILE - The Valech Report, officially titled The National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture Report, was made public yesterday (November 29, 2004) by Bishop Sergio Valech, the head of the eight-member panel commission into abuses committed in Chile between 1973 and 1990 by agents of Augusto Pinochet's military regime. It was prepared by the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture at the request of the president, and it is freely available to the public as a document on the Internet.

ITMS Canada launched

1 December 2004 | Peer reviewed

CANADA - Late today, Apple Computer's iTunes Music Store (iTMS) was opened to Canada. The 700,000+ songs are priced at CAD 99¢ (USD 84¢) making it the lowest price of any iTMS localization to date.

Arrested Marxist leader Apablaza charged in Chile

2 December 2004 | Under review

Chile – Sergio Galvarino Apablaza,aged 54, nicknamed "Comandante Salvador"(Salvador commander), has been charged by the Chilean judge Hugo Dolmestch for the following crimes: the kidnapping of Cristian Edwards(son of Agustin Edwards, owner of the newspaper El Mercurio) and the assassination of Senator Jaime Guzman Errazuriz.

Ukraine and Western bias

2 December 2004 | Under review

KIEV - As events unfold in Ukraine, there is a noticeable tendency in news media to see the issues as a black-and-white struggle. They portray the current election crisis as a popular revolution reacting to the gross manipulation of an election in favour of the establishment candidate Viktor Yanukovich. However a look below the surface would show these issues to be more complex than appearances would suggest.

ETA bombs five gas stations in Madrid

3 December 2004 | Peer reviewed

MADRID -The Basque separatist group ETA was blamed for five explosions at gas stations in the Spanish capital of Madrid on Friday. The explosions claimed no casualties, but two police officers were lightly wounded.

Federally-funded abstinence programs fraught with problems: Report

3 December 2004 | Under review

According to a report issued by U.S. House of Representatives Congressman Henry A. Waxman (D-CA), the majority of abstinence-only sexual education programs in schools contain incorrect or misleading information.

ETA detonates explosives in Madrid

3 December 2004 | Under review

Madrid - Five bombs exploded at suburban Madrid gas stations as millions of vacationing Madrileños left town for a bank holiday.

Chinese film won Golden Horse Award

4 December 2004 | Under review

Taichung, Taiwan - Chinese film Hoh Xil: Mountain Patrol (also known as Kekexili) beat Wang Kar-wai's 2046 to win the Best Picture Award while Hong Kong pop star Andy Lau won the Best Leading Actor Award in the 41th Golden Horse Film Festival, the most prestigious film event for Chinese-language film industry.

Twin bombings hit Baghdad's Green Zone

4 December 2004 | Under review

BAGHDAD - Suicide bombers detonated two car bombs outside the Iraqi al-Karkh police station near Baghdad's Green Zone on Saturday. 16 people were killed including 4 police officers and between 35 and 60 people were reportedly wounded.

Napster founder Shawn Fanning introduces new file-sharing project

5 December 2004 | Under review

SAN FRANCISCO - Shawn Fanning, the creator of Napster and a founder of Snocap, Inc., on Friday revealed his plans for a legal peer-to-peer file-sharing platform. Snocap has signed an agreement with Universal Music Group to make the company's entire catalogue available through the new service. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Thai government drops origami cranes as message of peace

5 December, 2004 | Under review

Thailand - Millions of origami cranes have been dropped on Thailand's three southern provinces following violence between the government and ethnic minority Muslim populations. The move has been called a "goodwill gesture" towards Muslims.

Police deactivate explosive device in Andalucía, Spain

5 December 2004 | Peer reviewed

Andalusia. A small explosive device was deactivated today by the Spanish police in Almería, Andalusia.

United States anti-drug efforts in Latin America criticized by report

5 December, 2004 | Under review

WASHINGTON - The "War on Drugs" waged by the United States has been criticized in a report released by the Washington D.C.-based human rights group Washington Office on Latin America. The report, "Drugs and Democracy in Latin America: The Impact of U.S. Policy" (Summary, PDF), investigated "the impact of drug control policies on human rights and democracy" and declared that present policies in the War on Drugs have failed to achieve any meaningful success. The United States government has criticized it, claiming progress is shown by street prices for drugs being near an all-time low.

Firefox 1.0 Internet Browser released by Mozilla Foundation

Four NBA players suspended indefinitely for brawl

In development
These articles were begun in the past week but are under development at the time of compilation.

 * US Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge resigns - 30 November 2004
 * Red Cross discovers abuse in Guantánamo - 30 November 2004
 * U.S. Department of Defense committee releases report critical of war on terror - 1 December 2004
 * Ukraine parliament sacks government - 1 December 2004
 * Kerik nominated as U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security - 2 December 2004
 * Ukraine Supreme Court orders new election - 3 December 2004
 * Rumsfeld to Stay on as Defense Secretary - 3 December 2004
 * Delta 4 Heavy rocket poised for maiden launch - 4 December 2004
 * Tommy Thompson steps down as Secretary of Health and Human Services - 4 December 2004
 * Humans may have contributed to 2003 European heatwave - 4 December 2004

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November 23, 2004

Digest for 22-29 November 2004

< 15-22 November 2004 • Index • 29 November-5 December 2004 >

This a collection of articles whose datelines read between 22 and 29 November. They have not necessarily gone through a peer-review process, and may not even be done. This is essentially an index right now. Click on an article's title to read it in full.

Activists protest against School of the Americas

22 November, 2004, United States

Antiwar magazines report up to 16,000 protesters demonstrated outside a United States military school this weekend, demanding it be closed in connection with accused human rights violations.

Dan Rather resigns as anchor, to stay on as correspondent

22 November, 2004, USA

Dan Rather has announced that he will retire on March 9th, 2005 as anchor of CBS Evening News. He will continue to be an investigative reporter for both of the 60 Minutes shows.

Indonesian police arrest four suspects wanted over Australian Embassy bombing

24 November, 2004, Jakarta, Indonesia.

Associated Press and Reuters are both reporting that Indonesian police have arrested four suspects for the bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta on September 9th, which killed 10 people.

Ukrainian opposition leader calls for police and army to join revolution

24 November, 2004, Ukraine

Amid protests of up to 200,000 over Ukraine's disputed presidential election, officially declared loser Viktor Yushchenko has called on the army and police to join a revolution against the government.

Internal emails expose Boeing-Air Force contract discussions

24 November, 2004, United States

Emails exchanged among United States Air Force officials regarding a USD$23 billion dollar deal with aircraft manufacturer Boeing have been entered into the public record. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) entered them into the Congressional Record during a speech last week against the now-cancelled deal to lease 100 mid-air tanker aircraft from Boeing.

Australia in a good position after first day of Adelaide test match

26 November, 2004, Adelaide, South Australia

At stumps on day one, Australia has opened a commanding lead in the second cricket test against New Zealand.

Record computer outage at UK government department

November 27 2004, United Kingdom.

A computer outage beginning on Monday afternoon at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has caused delays in the processing of new claims. 80% of the DWP's desktop computers were put out of action by a software update. This story is being widely reported but details are scarce. Most of the talk is about the severity of the problem and the pattern of failures associated with IT outsourcing in the government.

170 workers trapped in Chinese mine after explosion

28 November, 2004, Shaanxi province.

Early in the morning on Sunday November 28th, 170 workers were trapped in the Chinese Chenjiashan mine, the BBC reports. According to Chinese state officials, 123 workers managed to escape the facilities. Many of those who escaped the mines are suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning. Since the accident, there has been no contact with the 170 workers trapped inside, although the initial number of 183 people still in the complex was revised downwards.

Researchers discover high temperature enables more efficient hydrogen generation

Sunday, November 28th, 2004

Researchers in Salt Lake City Utah, at Ceramtech Incorporated, hand in hand with workers at The Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory stated that they had learned that through superheating the water to 800 degrees Celsius, far less electricity was required to produce the same volume of hydrogen.

USL v. BSDi settlement agreement unsealed

28 November, 2004, United States

The 1994 settlement agreement between UNIX Systems Laboratories (USL) and BSDi (USL v. BSDi) was unsealed in November 2004 under the California Public Records Act (California Code § 6250-6270). The details of the settlement may have ramifications with respect to the SCO v. IBM case with SCO believing it is the successor in interest to USL.

American teenage girl charged with murder of her own mother

29 November, 2004, United States.

Rachelle Waterman, (aka Rachelle Ann Monica Waterman and "smchyrocky"), a 16-year-old girl from Craig, Alaska, USA, has been charged with the first degree murder of her own mother.

World's Largest Ball of Twine Turns 50

29 November, 2004, Cawker City, Kansas.

People in Kansas like to just go have a look at things from time to time, particularly if it is kitchy and big. Frank Stoeber died in 1974, but not before he left behind a legacy of twine. Frank started a building a ball of sisal twine (a form of hemp) in 1953, which as grown to 40 ft in diameter hence. The ball of twine's domicile is a mini-museam located in the downtown of Cawker City, Kansas, which onlookers can simple look at or add twine to.

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List of articles dated 29 November to 6 December that is taken from Workspace and has everything but Develop: removed.

5 December 2004

 * Napster founder Shawn Fanning introduces new file-sharing project

4 December 2004

 * Chinese film won Golden Horse Award
 * Humans may have contributed to 2003 European heatwave
 * Tommy Thompson steps down as Secretary of Health and Human Services
 * 15 killed in Baghdad green-zone
 * Rumsfeld to Stay on as Defense Secretary

3 December 2004

 * ETA bombs five gas stations in Madrid
 * Ukraine parliament sacks government
 * Ukraine Supreme Court orders new election
 * Delta 4 Heavy rocket poised for maiden launch
 * ETA detonates explosives in Madrid

2 December 2004

 * Federally-funded abstinence programs fraught with problems
 * Ukraine and Western bias
 * Kerik nominated as U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security

1 December 2004

 * ITMS Canada launched
 * US Department of Defense releases report critical of war on terror
 * US Department of Defense releases report critical of war on terror

30 November 2004

 * United States uses napalm in Fallujah
 * US Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge resigns
 * US president Bush visits Canada
 * China and South East Asian nations to create the world's largest free trade area
 * Outgoing US Congress Takes Parting Jabs at Wildlife Protection
 * Hopes rise for breakthrough in Northern Ireland Peace Process
 * Valech Report released
 * Red Cross discovers abuse in Guantánamo

29 November 2004

 * Ukrainian opposition leader calls for police and army to join revolution
 * American teenage girl charged with murder of her own mother
 * Ruling party ahead in Romanian elections
 * Lycos launches screensaver to increase spammers' bills

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 * Also, feel free to edit the pages you are saying need editing! Just do it the same way you have been editing the dicussion pages. Anyone can edit almost every page, so jump right in! Lyellin 06:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but...
Lyellin, I could just edit the copy without explaining the changes but fewer people could learn from the process. My guess is that just as in print, writers and editors can learn more from each other if they see both the changes and the reasons for them.

 * I'd think that's true-but we also need to keep in mind that the goal of the wiki is to get the articles going, and not to teach our writers how to write. Often, when making changes, editors will make the change on the article and then explain why on the talk page. That's normally for content issues, but I've also seen it done for grammatical or other issues. Go ahead- make the edits. It will help us all, and those editors who are watching the pages will see the changes. Lyellin 06:42, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'll give that a go, although inline changes to the copy aren't always possible when information is missing. Excuse me as I learn the wiki CMS interface.

Magic5ball 06:48, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Not a problem at all- everything is learning. If I can help at all, just drop a message on my talk page. Have fun :) Lyellin 06:49, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Interesting question. AFAIK, there is no accepted standard among those guides. Most style guidelines focus on the formatting of articles, dates, bylines, etc. We haven't yet ever discussed on this site using grammar guides of any kind. Lyellin 07:50, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Random thoughts...
I think a lot of the problems is due to the lack of persons that are actively editing the wiki (Although what we're supposed to be is apparently still being finalized). I think when we get a strong base, a lot of these will go away (Not enough people editing and review). Your question about rewriting other news agency reports is a good, and I think we need to figure out if we're going to have certain people covering certain stories, etc., etc. Also, the notes on iTMS Canada launched were really good! Thanks! --Xanadu
 * 1) Is Wikinews intended to be a news aggragator, or a news generator with original reporting, or a combination of both?
 * 2) Is the current wiki workflow suited for a news outlet? Who is accountable when libel becomes an issue if anything can hit the frount page without review?
 * 3) How is Wikinews able to get away with re-writing AP and other wire news from random copyrighted Internet sources without running into copyright problems?
 * 4) Why does it take days (!) to re-write and edit news right now?

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I think this article is of satisfactory quality.
 * It is questionable to grade your own article as you have clearly done some massive editing to the article. Another issue is the discrepancy in the deaths in the article title and article itself. Reuters is reporting 14 deaths, do we have a majority consensus in the media on the actual number of deaths?--Xanadu 06:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the Dutch media seems to be incongruent in some ways. Like for instance I found that the policebase was called Salhiyah, and not al Kharkhi. 15 dead, instead of 16. I think that numbers will be a major issue in these events since it goes about a war. To bad, the truth won't come closer than with dead people, at least they know the truth (lol, black-humor ;-)).

21 dead? http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=041205135208.3d5b83ob.xml

I have a problem with this sentence: "These guerrilla attacks are part of their latest effort to undermine confidence in the country's new U.S.-backed Iraqi police force. They are also an continued reaction on Friday's attack. "

Considering that the article doesn't mention who was responsible for the attacks (beyond "suicide bombers"), I would like to know how we know what their motivations were. If this is someones opinion, then it should say who. I support the article with this sentence removed. - Borofkin 05:40, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There are conflicting reports about the people responsible (Some news agencies reporting suicide bombers, other car bombs, etc.) and I have to agree that this is somewhat against NPOV. --Xanadu 19:22, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I support the article as it currently stands - Borofkin 22:51, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Aloha.

I am a computer science and poitical science major in Southern California.

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06:57, 5 Dec 2004 Lyellin blocked "69.243.60.188" with an expiry time of 24 hours (Vandalism of [[Chinese commuter plane crashes; 54 dead]])

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 * For a definition of vandalism, see the Wikipedia definition, which is also used here.

 * In the event that you see vandalism, you can do a number of things yourself:
 * If it's a change to an article, revert the vandalism.
 * If the vandalism is an image, click on the image, and then if:
 * The image is on Commons, go to the Commons by clicking the "description page" link below the image. You need to be "Logged-in" to Commons if you wish to revert the image. If you do not have an account, you may create one. Then, look for the "File history" section below the image, and click a "(rev)" link next to previous version of the file. You may then have to click on the time and date of your version, then refresh your browser to see the change.
 * The image is hosted on Wikinews (there is no "from Commons" box below the image), upload a "safe" image over a vandal one (just use the same filename). This is a list of recently-uploaded files, which may be useful.

 * If you require assistance, get help from admins, who can also block users and delete pages:
 * Enter our real-time chat room (see WN:IRC), and look for any admins who are present (list of admins). Type their name or !admin@enwikinews and send it - this should attract their attention. If that doesn't work,
 * Go to Admin action alerts (WN:ALERT), and leave a message, although it may be some time until you get a response.
 * If there is mass vandalism and no admins available, ask for help on #wikimedia and #wikimedia-stewards as a last resort.

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User:Magic5ball

About Me
BA (Political Science), BSc (Biology), copy editor, writer, LAMP programmer, still learning the wiki CMS.

Current Thought
This feels disturbingly like work...

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Greetings from Project Xanadu!

Regards, Andrew Pam <xanni@xanadu.net> Chief Scientist, Xanadu

Andrew, thanks for the input on my first post. --Lancew 12:42, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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MST attack in Rondonia kills one man

December 4, 2004

According to Agência Estado, members of the Brazilian Landless Workers Movement (MST) are accused of beating to death Paulo Brizola Nunes. Mr. Nunes, 51 years old, was an employee of the Noroeste Farm in Cabixi, 820 km (510 miles) away from the regional capital of Porto Velho, Rondonia. The farm was considered at risk of invasion due to its proximity to a MST encampment.

Nunes and another employee of Noroeste Farm known as "Coco" were on a motorcycle when they were allegedly attacked. MST members allegedly extended barbed wire across the road to down the two men, who were then pummelled with axes and sticks. Coco escaped to a Cabixi police station but Nunes was rendered unconscious and did not survive the assault.

MST is a large Marxist-Maoist inspired movement of agricultural workers in Brazil, officially founded in 1984. The movement claims to pursue equitable redistribution of Brazilian farmland. In 2003 there were 632 MST camps in Brazil, containing 116,382 families. According to a recent report on labor standards in Brazil, conditions for laborers are poor. Currently, MST receives financial help from the Brazilian government and donations from international organizations. The movement also receives funds by selling videos of their invasions and other products like books, flags and caps.

MST's most visible tactic has been their armed occupation of mostly privately-held plantations and landholdings. However, some Brazilians have protested MST's use of violence. Many farms hire gunfighters to protect their properties from invasions as MST is known to permanently evict farmholders. MST claims they use arms only to defend themselves from the gunfighters.

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Talk:MST attack in Rondonia kills one man

I am a little confused about the process now. Should I publish all articles at the Main Page? Is the Article workspace dead?---Carlosar 14:38, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The title of this article previously misspelled "attack" as "atack", and also had an awkward structure. I moved the article to the new title, "MST attack in Rondonia kills one man". — DV 16:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It is better now. Thanks.--- Carlosar 16:33, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it is good
I think the article is good. Other ideas? --- Carlosar 19:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

more information please
I don't want to seem picky, but your story intrigued me and I'd like more information.

I'd like to know:
 * who is accusing MST
 * The survivor, the police, the source(newspaper).

 * on what basis is "the farm is in risk of been invaded by the MST".
 * The MST plans to invade the farm because they are camped near the place. Other invasions had started like this. Maybe my English is not good enough, here. You or someone else can try to fix it if you think it is wrong, make it better.

 * what relevance Porto Velho is to the story (is it a regional capital??)
 * Yes.

 * did Nunes die on the scene, or later?
 * He died at the local. According to newspaper brain mass was out of his head

 * how many members of MST are in Brazil, you mention 632 camps, which doesn't mean much to me
 * ''This information has been taken from the official website of the MST (www.mst.org.br). According to MST they are about 116.382 families.

 * "Currently, MST receives help from the Brazilian government and donations from international organizations" -- help for what?
 * Mainly money and food. Clothes, food, transportation custs money. The MST does not produce anything, their members dont have a job, their activities are only related to the movement. Invasion also custs money,it is like an industry of activism.

 * "MST claims to be defending themselves because many farms hire gunfighters to protect their properties from invasions." -- I'm unclear on what MST is defending themselves against, if the gunfighters are merely protecting properties.
 * The gunfighters are protecting the properties. Sometimes when the MST is envolved in conflicts and other people say they are violent, MST say they are just defendind themselves from other people(this is not the first time MST atack and hurts someone. The difference is that this time MST had atacked first, without provocation-the victims were not looking for the MST) . Sorry, my English. You can try to fix if you think it is not written very well.

 * "A number of farmers fear losing their properties to the movement." -- does MST permanently occupy the farms - how else could the farmers lose their properties? Would they flee from intimidation?
 * Yes, MST permanently occupy the farms. Some farms have been occupied for more than two years. Some farmers have lost their properties to the movement. Sometimes, after a lot of pressure, some farms are desoccupied, but you cannot see this like a rule.

I have appreciated your critics. Feel free if you want to make some corrections. Thanks.--- Carlosar 02:40, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

jkrusky 21:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it's finished
I think the article is complete. jkrusky 03:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * (approved) - Unless someone else find something wrong the article is ok to me. -- Carlosar 15:08, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Thai government drops origami cranes as message of peace

Millions of origami cranes have been dropped on Thailand's three southern provinces following violence between the government and ethnic minority Muslim populations. The move has been called a "goodwill gesture" towards Muslims.

Up to 120 million such paper sculptures were dropped on Thailand's three southern-most provinces, Narathiwat, Pattani and Yala. Tensions in this area have increased recently, peaking with the recent death of 85 demonstrators arrested during a protest. The government blamed their deaths on physical weakness due to fasting in the month of Ramadan as the cause, as most if not all the deaths occurred during transport of up to 500 arrested protestors. Critics of the Thai government have called for the resignation of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, blaming the "over-eagerness" of Thai security forces as the cause of the deaths.

The dispersal was timed to coincide with the birthday of Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej, and has generated much interest from the rest of the country's predominantly Buddhist population. The cranes were built by citizens throughout Thailand and had peace messages written on them. The southern, Muslim provinces are often considered neglected by a north that is larger and of the majority ethnic group. Some have welcomed the goodwill gesture, but critics in both the north and south have said that the resources would have been better spent solving the problems in the south. Some Islamic leaders in the south have also expressed concerns that the gesture may not be properly understood by Muslims, as the crane carries no cultural significance with them.


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I'm a LAMP developer and run mcgeek.com. I'm also a news junkie.

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Police deactivate explosive device in Andalucía, Spain

December 5, 2004

ALMERIA, Spain. - A small explosive device was deactivated today by the Spanish police in Almería, Andalucía.

The bomb was hidden inside a small bag, accompanied by a note signed by ETA, and was set to explode at 13:30 on Monday, December 6, a national holiday to celebrate the Spanish Constitution. The explosive device was found by police while patrolling the Plaza de España (Spain Square), according to a memo by the Ministry of Interior, and was deactivated by a bomb squad without having to explode it.

The Civil Guard calculated that the device carried less than 200 grams of explosive, about the same amount as the bombs placed in 5 gas stations in Madrid on Friday, according to "El Mundo". The Spanish Minister of Interior, José Antonio Alonso, appealed for the population to remain calm and trust the authorities.


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User:Shana

User:Shana My name is Andreia Gaita, from Portugal. I'm currently helping out with reviewing news and publishing so as to keep the pages updated, and putting up some news from my region. You can find me at The Hideout (mirror here).

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User talk:Jkrusky

Thanks for the corrections on the Spanish andaluzian bom news. :) --Shana 20:41, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have appreciated your critics.Take a look at my answers at "MST attack in Rondonia kills one man".---Carlosar 02:46, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Kudos" - youre welcome. It was an interesting and original take on the story. The only lingering criticism is that, since its a critique of mainstream media reports, it should contain quotes from the mainstream media. Also words like "universally" (Yuschenko is universally praised) are a little too edgy. Almost universally is still a bit too much, while "commonly" or "typically" are more balanced. Edgy terms tend to bring the article into the "commentary" category. -Stevertigo 04:35, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re: United States anti-drug efforts in Latin America criticized by report, if you think my statement in the first paragraph is inaccurate, then for neutrality I think you should include a more accurate criticism of the report. The artice gives too much weight to the report's findings by not acknowledging any criticism until after three paragraphs of the report's arguments. Some people are only going to read so far, so the mention in the first paragraph is necessary. 119 22:10, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would like inviting you to say what you think at: Wikinews talk:Deletion requests. You have written:''Awesome, except now there is an article that has passed Peer Review, and is published in "Latest News" but when someone goes to read it a big red warning box comes up now saying it's been submitted for Deletion. That's unprofessional. You want to warn me you're going to change it, do what 119 says and modify the Talk portion. I'll notice. jkrusky 02:26, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)''. I think you are right at some extent(I had not think about it before) and you should tell what you think at Wikinews talk:Deletion requests. You show me maybe there are some issues about how Deletion request should work. --Carlosar 12:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What says 119? Where can I find it? I did not understand it.--Carlosar 12:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Alert re; item up for deletion
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Soldiers_sue_U.S._government_over_%27stop-loss%27_policy

thought you may want to include your input at the link above. Paulrevere2005 11:09, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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User:L33tminion

To keep things simple, I have only one Wikimedia home page, here, on Wikipedia.

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Talk:Police deactivate explosive device in Andalucía, Spain

looks good to me. --65.27.65.24 21:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, although I'd like to know what "The Guardia Civil" is. Lankiveil 05:52, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it's the civil guard. I wasn't sure about the translation so I didn't translate it and forgot about it. My bad. I'l translate it and publish this thing. Shana 11:58, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A website in english about the Guardia Civil

Why is the name spelt "Andaluzia" in the title? The Spanish name is Andalucía and the Anglicized version is Andalusia. 128.205.218.14 06:34, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) (w:User:Livajo)
 * I now realize it must be because the title was translated directly from this article in Portuguese which uses a spelling with the letter "z". Nevertheless, this is not English usage and the page title ought to be changed by someone with an account. 128.205.218.14 06:38, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I rather think that if the spanish is 'Andalucía', then we should use 'Andalucía', since it happened in spain, not in some imaginary anglo-spain. I am very much in favour as using as close to the origanal that the latin alphabet can get, so that in the example of chinese place names they should be latinised, but in this case i think the Orgianal spainish place name is the best. (i will move the page to reflect this, and i will put a note on the pump so it can be debated.) The bellman 06:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, although there are certain Anglicized placenames that I think should be used in all cases instead of the native name (Rome instead of Roma, Moscow instead of Moskva, etc) but Andalucía is common enough in English texts that I think its use is justified. 128.205.218.14 06:53, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Syndication

This information is mostly outdated. You can get various feeds by manipulating the parameters of Special:NewsFeed, especially the categories parameter. For example, https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewsFeed&feed=atom&categories=Published|Sports&namespace=0&count=15&stablepages=only will give you a list of latest published sports articles.

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The following syndication feeds are available on Wikinews in RSS, atom, and other formats:

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 * See also: Syndication feeds, Wikinews/RSS

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User:Sarge Baldy

I'm Owen, an administrator on the English language Wikipedia.

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Welcome
Welcome! Just saying hello. I saw your edit on the article regarding Nike to remove the edit by merriam. On this page Article_stages we're currently working on making policy regarding how articles should be written and what stages they should go through. The current policy is to mark any edit made after an article is published, which is what merriam was doing. Lyellin

 * Yea... some of the changes are..interseting. But it should be fun. Happy editing! Lyellin 01:31, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New Main Page design proposal
I invite you and others to see Main Page Talk, where I have proposed a new Main Page for Wikinews. Best wishes, NGerda 01:51, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

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Wikinews talk:Etiquette

Consistent use of some kind of time zone indicator would be handy since not all readers or contributors will be on GMT +7 or wherever the author is. Magic5ball 01:18, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

hi, i am trying to discuss a similar page for the german-language wikinews. I think we sould use similar rules. but i think etiquette should not contain technical discussions but more about journalism in general. The page would be named de:Wikinews:Etikette (but does not exist right now) -- Vinci 13:59, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tag & untag article proposal
I suggest that we add some content about tags here, as tehy are often a point of contention. Maybe: Or some such things. Thoughts? Nyarlathotep 13:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not remove tags by other contributors without first thinking about the message.
 * Please make some effort to improve an article before applying a tag, unless you feel the article is not news or stands little chance of ever being published.

 * I think we should also add that it should be easier to find the list of current tags and their descriptions for when appropriate. Otherwise people use the wrong tag, and then disputes start. Bill3 22:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Where do I suggest a sig related point of etiquette?
I'm having a discussion on a talk page where one person's sig is eight lines long - their sig takes up more space than the discussion, and it's hard to find where the sig ends and the next point begins, which is annoying when I'm trying to reply. So I'd like to suggest a point of etiquette about sigs that are longer than one line. Any ideas where? Bill3 22:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't beat about the bush, who has the excessive sig? --Brian McNeil / talk 22:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Click "edit" at the top of this page: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:%27Bridezilla%27_YouTube_video:_many_debate_legitimacy Bill3 22:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. There are guidelines on Wikipedia that would disallow this.  I can't remember where they are, but it would probably be a satisfying exercise for you to import them.   --Brian McNeil / talk 22:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, found 'em: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages#Length
 * The wikinews Etiquette page already links to that, but does that make it wikinews policy already or should I indeed copy and paste it over? Bill3 23:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you can't just copy/paste it over to Wikinews. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  23:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, he can (IMHO), but you arn't really obliged to follow it if it hasn't been discussed before (also in my opinion, its a proposed policy after all/guideline). However if you do copy it over, you should say before it, some editors, so it is known there is not censuses on the issue. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there should be a censuses on that policy. The Wikinews community (IMHO) should vote properly. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  03:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"(A) Consensus works best when all editors make a good faith effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the many views on the subject.

(B) It is difficult to specify exactly what constitutes a reasonable or rational position. Good editors acknowledge that positions opposed to their own may be reasonable, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus"

 * oh sorry I didn't realize it was an official policy. Second question, why is it an official policy? Ettiquite, by very nature is a guideline as to what you should, or should not do to be polite. if you violate it constancy, people are going to get mad at you and block you as its annoying, but it should be flexible. Official policies should be reserved for stuff like WN:NPOV, and WN:BP were wriggle room is minimal. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

AGF
AGF is a controversial issue in Wikinews. Also, the explanation/justification isn't very clear. I suggest removing it or replacing it with something clearer or less controversial. Kayau (talk · contribs) 13:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This has been in policy for years and for good reason. If people don't follow it, that's not a reason to remove it, but rather a reason to enforce policy better. A few years ago everyone was praising AGF and using it as a de-facto guideline here (including brianmc! I can probably dig up a few diffs of him saying it's a good thing to use). So why the change of heart? Tempodivalse [talk]  14:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Removal is not the only option. I don't think the sentence following it is clear enough. Is it an explanation or justification of the need to assume good faith? How are the two ideas connected? The sentence should be re-worded to be clear, IMO. Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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United States anti-drug efforts in Latin America criticized by WOLA report

The "War on Drugs" waged by the United States has been criticized in a report released by the Washington D.C.-left wing based human rights group Washington Office on Latin America. The report, "Drugs and Democracy in Latin America: The Impact of U.S. Policy" (Summary, PDF), investigated "the impact of drug control policies on human rights and democracy" and declared that present policies in the War on Drugs have failed to achieve any meaningful success.

The United States government's primary aim in the War on Drugs is to reduce the volume of illegal narcotics imported into the United States. By reducing imports, prices of the drugs will rise and, so the government reasons, drug use will decline. The government's efforts are primarily directed towards eradication of crops used to produce finished drugs, and towards strengthening the governments of regions in which drugs are produced by offering military and financial aid, the most notable of which is Colombia.

The 400-page WOLA report documents evidence that U.S. efforts to combat illegal drugs in the Americas have served to weaken democratic instutions in Latin America, and have placed the burden of the drug war upon the poorest of their citizens. Co-editor of the report, Coletta A. Youngers maintains that the U.S. policy of crop eradication generates "social unrest, instability and violence" as poor farmers are having their source of income destroyed. Youngers further states that U.S. policies "have contributed to confusing military and law-enforcement functions, militarizing local police forces, and bringing the military into a domestic law enforcement role. They have thus strengthened military forces at the expense of civilian authorities – in a region with a tragic history of military rule".

As a measure of their success in the War on Drugs, the Office of National Drug Control Policy points to statistics from 2001, which are the most recent published on the ONDCP website, that show a decline in the worldwide level of coca cultivation. The ONDCP also claims success in interdiction efforts and highlights statistics on drug arrests within the United States as measurable achievements in the War on Drugs.

However, the Drug Enforcement Agency's latest statistics (from 2003) show street prices of drugs to be near an all-time low. The same DEA report also concedes that most drugs "are readily available".

While a senior ONDCP official has stated that the WOLA report "is filled with errors, irrelevancies, and misinterpretations", WOLA has called for a renewed debate on drug war policies, supported by their findings and the latest government statistics that show illegal narcotics to be cheaper and more plentiful than ever before.

WOLA was founded in 1974 by Joseph Eldridge, Joyce Hill of the National Council of Churches and Thomas Quigley of the U.S. Catholic Conference. Quigley led the Religious Task Force on El Salvador, part of a coalition called Committee In Solidarity With the People of El Salvador (CIPES). Papers captured in El Salvador belonging to FMLN guerrilla leader, Farid Handal, "documented CIPES' connections with member groups of the Latin network and the international communist movement( Richard P. McBrien, Catholicism, Harper/Collins, NY, new edition 1994, p. 682).


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Talk:United States anti-drug efforts in Latin America criticized by WOLA report

looks good to me. --65.27.65.24 04:10, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Support -- Borofkin 05:04, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The content is okay, but the article title is mildly POV and sensationalist. Will support once it's adjusted. Lankiveil 05:10, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support with updated title. Lankiveil 06:28, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Support now. 119 06:09, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

er... tilt!
"The United States government has criticized it, claiming progress is shown by street prices for drugs being near an all-time low."

''The United States government's primary aim in the War on Drugs is to reduce the volume of illegal narcotics imported into the United States. By reducing imports, prices of the drugs will rise and, so the government reasons, drug use will decline."''

is it just me or is the US government experiencing cognitive dissonance?!

Did they really claim that the "near all time low" street price demonstrated progress? If so, that claim is so remarkable (particularly in the light of the next couple of sentences) that its worth citing a source.

 * i agree with you. the dissonance was introduced by an editor, and has been removed. Also, the spelling of Colombia was re-corrected. jkrusky 14:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That was me. Obviously I meant high prices. Sorry. 119 14:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * However, it was wrong to take out the sentence itself. You then present a picture critical of the "War on Drugs" for three paragraphs before introducing any possibility of support. 119 14:22, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

But the statement that "The United States government has criticized it, claiming progress is shown by street prices for drugs being near an all-time high." is not what the government is claiming, and contradicted by the government's own statistics. And the three paragraph you refer to are not critical of anything. The first two provide background. The third provides detail. Balance and neutrality doesn't mean paragraphs have to be written in an alternating pro/con pattern. I am going to remove the sentence, as it is incorrect. jkrusky 21:55, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am sorry
I am sorry, but I think this article should be discussed a little more. I have put it for deletion but this not means it will be deleted. I did that because I want more people get envolved discussing about this article. In my opinion this article is biased and propaganda, but I think it can be published after it get better written. Also I have put the article at deletion request because I want every change I will do get clearly visible for everyone. ---Carlosar 00:47, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Since you seem to have some very strong opinions against WOLA perhaps you should attempt to re-write the article. Perhaps write another article on how badly WOLA sucks, too. That should be NPOV fun. jkrusky 01:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I can't have strong opinions against WHOLA(at least for now without research) by reading the article and that is the problem. There is a technical problem which is valid for every article:
 * when someone criticizes somebody you must say who criticizes
 * you must say clearly who criticizes. You can't say an unknown and mysterious organization is responsable for the critic. More or less, the organization must be defined(unless it is well known by the public). I hope you have seen my point.--Carlosar 01:22, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You see, I am not against publishing negative articles about USA(or somebody else), but this must be done professionally, otherwise we will be just releasing politic propaganda which is very bad for the project reputation.--Carlosar 01:34, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Since the article is not ABOUT WOLA, and there are available links to do research on WOLA, I think that condition is satisfied, without misdirecting an article about a report. Plus, the government is given a chance in the article to refute the claims, so that should be enough. jkrusky 01:30, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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User talk:Stevertigo~enwikinews

Regarding your message to me about edgy words, I think you are correct, and appreciate the input. It's an interesting debate about NPOV, and though we may not agree 100% on the issue, it is enjoyable and worthwhile to discuss it. Cheers. jkrusky 04:54, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

wb Stevertigo
- Amgine 00:01, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Digest is not being used because articles are being added to an archive page to be displayed on the main page. see 2005/February/13 to see how it works. (note the subpage menu at top) - Amgine 00:16, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Categories
Your new categories are logical; I write only to caution you... Please consider discussing at the water cooler before making major changes to the category scheme... Some thought has apparently gone into the organization of categories... --Chiacomo (talk) 29 June 2005 16:47 (UTC)

Bush flip-flop
Steve, I assume this was a typo on your part:. You have Bush saying just the opposite of what everyone knows he meant. Ed Poor 29 June 2005 23:56 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Stevertigo. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Stevertigo~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Talk:Hopes rise for breakthrough in Northern Ireland Peace Process

There are some major tense issues here.. "hopes were rising", "it is also expected", etc. This probably needs a good copyedit and format job. Lyellin 05:49, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:Thai government drops origami cranes as message of peace

Support 119 06:25, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good article. IlyaHaykinson 18:13, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Support. It should be through the review process then. Einar 20:44, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Vanuatu PM accused of assaulting envoy

Serge Vohor, the Prime Minister of Vanuatu, recently came into spotlight as the newest battleground in the diplomatic war between the People's Republic of China and Taiwan, was accused of pushing the ambassador from the People's Republic of China, Mr. Bao Shusheng.

Mr. Bao, the newly-installed envoy from Beijing, yesterday complained to the press that he was "punched on the shoulder" by Mr. Vohor after the parliamentary session ended last Wednesday (December 1). Mr. Bao approached Mr. Vohor at the time to complain that the flag of Taiwan was still flying in the capital city, even after the council of ministers has already made the decision to take it down.

"I then approached him just outside of parliament where I waited for him again at the main entrance. He then shook his fist right in my face and punched me on my right shoulder." said Mr. Bao, "I was shocked at what happened, but his bodyguards stepped in and the prime minister then rushed to his car. This has deeply offended me and my country."

However Mr. Bao decided today not to file a formal protest or make a police report. The incident has been publicised on Vanuatu's local newspapers, one of which called it "another indiscretion for which Vohor should resign". Mr. Vohor had already faced a no-confidence vote by the opposition members of parliament before the incident for his decision to establish a diplomatic relationship with Taiwan.

The opposition MPs are confident that the no-confidence vote would pass in the parliament, as 16 more MPs have recently deserted Mr. Vohor and sided with the opposition, which now holds a 36 to 14 majority in the 52-member parliament, including the prime minister himself and the speaker.

Mr. Vohor has been in office for only four months and his position now seems precarious, after his secret visit to Taiwan last month. In this trip he signed a communique recognising the Republic of China (the official name of Taiwan) as a sovereign state. But the country's council of ministers, which is Vanuatu's ruling body, revoked the deal and reiterated to Beijing its commitment to the one-China policy, which is a pre-requesite for maintaining formal diplomatic ties with the People's Republic of China, which sees Taiwan as its 23rd province and the Republic of China as a defunct entity. Currently the Republic of China maintains formal diplomatic relationships with 27 countries, including Vanuatu.

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Talk:Delta 4 Heavy rocket poised for maiden launch

Why are there no tags in the story? I've added a review tag, and think it's ok for publishing. Shana 13:16, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I just came across this article. I think it is good if there is a specific date and place.

I just attached a date category Dec 6, 2004, but if other date is more appropriate, please fix. Thanks. Tomos 06:23, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How do we write an article like this?
I started this article with the intention of having it ready a couple of days before the launch. So wasn't sure what date to put on it.

Should a modified version be prepared, ready to go for after the launch??

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E.C. President does not advise Portuguese referendum in light of current crisis

The President of the European Commission, José Manuel Durão Barroso, said holding a referendum on acceding to the European Constitution in Portugal is inadvisable, in light of the current political crisis in that country.

"A political crisis is surely not the best moment to discuss the European Constitution", Barroso said to the press outside a colloquium about European Identity in Lisbon.

The E.C. President refused to comment on the current situation in Portugal, but admitted to have been "surprised" by the Portuguese President's decision to call for new elections, ending the government's term a full year early.

Barroso was the former Prime Minister of the current Portuguese government and leader of the ruling PSD party. He stepped down to accept the nomination for President of the European Commission, favouring current Prime-Minister Pedro Santana Lopes as his successor.

The Portuguese President, Jorge Sampaio, announced his intention to dissolve the Parliament on Tuesday, November 30 and call for new elections. The decision is not yet final but should be settled no later than Friday, after the President has had an opportunity to consult political parties and others concerned. While it awaits the President's decision, the Parliament will vote on the new State Budget for 2005 today, amid protests from the opposition.