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Talk:Main Page/Archive 15

"Some Bullshit Happens in Soccer"
"Nobody gives a fuck about your shitty wogball. Three out of five articles for March 7, two out of nine on March 6, one out of nine on March 4. That's six out of 29. I didn't realize soccer was worth 20 percent of the entire news coverage of one site. Why not rename it WikiSoccer. Or Soccanews."
 * Quit trolling. People cover what they like.  If you want to change the stats write more non-soccer stories instead of trying to discourage good contributors. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

"Iran Test First Small Atomic Bomb" hoax article on mainpage
"Iran Test First Small Atomic Bomb", this hoax article is on the mainpage since the creation of the article, 30th November. That´s typical Wikinews, its just another blog. Delete this article!! --Wikineuser 08:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Wikinews is not a blog. Since Wikinews is a news website that anyone can edit many anons create hoax articles. Admins like myself delete them quickly so no one can see them. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  16:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

That was not a speedy delete. Wiki"news" is a blog. For 4 days this hoax article was on the mainpage. --Wikineuser 09:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I do not understand what you mean. Wikinews is not a blog. Actually, you are wrong. It did not have the tag on it, therefore it is not on the main page. Not sure if Wikinews admins are even stupid enough to not see a hoax article on the main page. (I'm an admin.) — F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  02:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong. Without the tag, it was for 4 days on the main page. This is the proof that Wikinews can´t work and is a blog. --Wikineuser 04:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

 * No, only the tag puts it on the main page. This article was in the Stories in development section on the bottom of the main page. — F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|18px|I am Canadien!]] 18:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong again, it was published and placed in the publish section on the main page. Wikinews is a blog and can´t achieve anything. --Wikineuser 12:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Uhhh, sorry but you are wrong I checked the article again and there was no publish tag. See: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Iran_Test_First_Small_Atomic_Bomb P.S. Sorry but only admins can see this page after it was deleted. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you are wrong again, it was published and placed '''in the publish section on the main page for days. Wikiwrong is a sandbox which copies wrongly from news sources and is a blog.''' End of the discussion. --Wikineuser 11:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

87.194.7.55 21:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You cannot just claim something to be a blog. Since you don't seem particuarly intellegent, I'll help you along with this. A blog is short for "Web log", and is a defined by being "user-generated...Journal style...reverse chronological order". While Wikinews is user-generated, it is not in the style of a journal, rather it is in the style of a news site. Since there is nothing to say a news site cannot be user-generated, Wikinews would seem more fitting for this catagory.

I have to agree with Wikineuser. Look that Israeli president scandal was on there for weeks when it is an affair hardly worth mentioning for more than a day or two. And look here Roger Federer won the Australian Open but that was a week ago last Sunday! I think Wikipedia should either (1) partner with some other organization that really knows the business of news or (2) hire people whose only function is selecting and writing news articles instead of allowing any monkey to write news. News is different from a normal Wiki article: news is knowledge (1) known only within the past day or even past hour, must be presented (2) as accurately as possible and (3) within a short timeframe; it is not knowledge that has the luxury of being reviewed by tons of people over a long period of time. 66.171.76.248 03:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * First we are not wikipedia. Second if we hire people to make news and don't let just anyone it defeats the purpose. Third we arn't perfect, but complaining about it isn't going to fix that. (There is a button labeled edit that will however). Bawolff ☺☻ 04:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * "No, you are wrong again, it was published and placed in the publish section on the main page for days."

Only admins can edit the main page. Therefore, the only way an article gets on the main page is by putting the publish tag on it. You should really do your research before causing a dispute and later finding out that you were wrong. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  00:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Somalia
It is surprising that Wikinews does not feature the most important ongoing situation right now in Africa on its main page. And not even on the Africa region page! --87.162.1.152 16:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Highest edits page?
I hope this is the right place to ask; is there an article that lists the users with the highest edit counts? Or a page that list the non-admin users with the highest edit counts? If not, who could create a list? I think it would be quite interesting. Icelandic Hurricane 21:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You'd have to check on an editor-by-editor basis on the edit counter. This is usually available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits but the toolserver seems to be down just now. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think wikimedia stats used to have it, but they don't anymore. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone should import Interiot's tool2 to Wikinews so that this can be done. Ccool2ax 13:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * you can if you want. However the toolserver is up now, so we can editcpount away. I think someone like Amgine might have the greatest nyumber of edits (Amgine has 11 917 edits ). Bawolff ☺☻ 21:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this would create and urge to make unnecessary edits in order to raise one's edit count; in the same way people make excessive posts in a forum in order to raise their stats. (24.242.221.231 23:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC))
 * I think I win now... I'm at 13,072. This is edit that +1 --Brian McNeil / talk 16:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Main Page in article space?
Should main page not be in main page space like Wikipedia? Shyam ( T / C ) 21:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia Main page is in the main namespace. Some projects (I think wikiverssity) have it in the project namespace, but I don't really see how that matters. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason some people don't prefer the Main Page in the Main namespace is because if it's there, then it's counted as an article, shows up when one hits random page, etc. Ccool2ax 13:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we also move it to main page, just a thought? Shyam  ( T / C ) 18:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about. Wikinews main page is in the same namespace as the wikipedia main page. If you really want to put it in portal: or Wikinews: namespace, we could, but it seems kinda pointless. (Also I think some people don't like the prefix. Actually I think there was a big argument as to move it into the portal ns a while back. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see the very top left of both the pages for the clarification. Shyam  ( T / C ) 11:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Still don't know what you mean. Wikipedia uses a tad bit of js to hide its name,(and apearently we do too). but if you turn off javascript, the pages look identical title wise. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand
Is it just me, or are there way to many articles on New Zealand listed here. I'm sure New Zealand's an interesting place, but it's not exactly a world hotspot. Are there just an unusually large number of editors from there, or what? --WikiMarshall 6:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

^I totally agree with that, the editors should do something about it. There could be relevant world news in place of the 5 or 6 small issues from New Zealand that are always taking up space on the front page.. No offense to New Zealand, but come on, its not that relevant to world issues and no one country should get more coverage than another on here.

 * Welcome to Wikinews, WikiMarshall. There are many contibutors listed who contribute for New Zealand listed here. For any discussions regarding New Zealand, follow up this page. For any further queries, please let me know. Shyam  ( T / C ) 07:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There are also many India and Canadian contibutors on Wikinews :) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  17:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And, of course, English :) Thunderhead (talk) 06:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Big Mommas of Wikinews are the United States, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, and recently India. If you want to add to that, there's only one way: write articles! ★ MESSED  ROCKER ★  21:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I like writing and you don't have to read the articles, no one is making you. --Nzgabriel | Talk 07:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the issue isn't how many articles about New Zealand, but how few compared to other countries. I think the Australian and New Zealand writers have done an exemplary job. Now whom from the other continents will follow suit? An effort should be made; however, to balance the main page, because seriously if I want news I go to wikipedia.
 * Wiki is an anagram of Kiwi. There's the answer to why there are so many no news stories from the Shakey Isles. Someone claims that the UK is one of the "big mommas" on here, yet the top news story in the UK - the Ipswich murders - has been totally ignored. --Whnook 14:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Exwikinewsie, Amgine once said: "Wikinews strongly supports local reporting. When our daily coverage is high enough to warrant it, local news will be relegated to local portals only. Until then, we wish to encourage local reporters with a venue where their articles may be viewed on the main page."
 * There have been 6 front-page articles on domestic affairs in New Zealand in the last 8 days. This is extremely disproportionate to any other national coverage. The trend has existed for some time. How can New Zealand coverage be balanced with other national news, and shouldn't international news take precident? --Jtfine 21:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Getting more people involved with Wikinews who aren't from New Zealand would seem to be the appropriate solution. This isn't an impossible task. GreenReaper 21:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * New Zealand contributions are an example of what a small number of dedicated people can do for the distribution of news on a particular part of the world. GreenReaper may have been a little curt with his answer, but from the wiki perspective the solution is more stories from other parts of the world.
 * One day the NZ stuff will be spun off into its own region-specific main page, and we'll have very interesting arguments about what goes on the front page. That first requires that we have a good few more countries with as many stories per day as New Zealand. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry if my response appeared curt - that wasn't my intention, the solution just seemed obvious. :-) Here are some constructive suggestions I prepared earlier on the topic of wiki promotion and community building (slides, audio). They are targeted for community-specific wikis, but many could apply to any community endeavor. GreenReaper 22:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would totally approve of the New Zealand articles being placed only on the New Zealand Portal, mainly to avoid these arguments but still keep my loyal readers happy. --Nzgabriel | Talk 03:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Why does it matter if there are a lot of New Zealand news articles??!!?? 67.172.125.3 04:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Some news clips
Following in the footsteps of Dell and Apple, Japanese electronics maker Toshiba has been forced to recall defective laptop batteries made by Sony. Unlike the Dell and Apple products, however, the Toshiba batteries do not run the risk of overheating and hence are not a safety threat. The batteries instead can potentially fail to charge and discharge properly, according to Toshiba.

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Toshiba and Lenovo have become the latest computer brands to recall Sony-made laptop batteries.

Lenovo said it took the decision after one of its laptops caught fire at Los Angeles Airport. Meanwhile Toshiba said it did so on the advice of Sony.

--北京写字楼

This brings the recall to a worldwide total of over seven million batteries following Dell's earlier recall of 4.1 million Sony batteries and Apple's 1.8 million.

--写字楼

A Handful of International Airlines Now Require Owners of Certain Dell and Apple Laptops to Remove the Batteries While Onboard

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Sony laptop batteries came under further fire today after Lenovo confirmed that the laptop, which caught fire at the Los Angeles International Airport over the last weekend was a ThinkPad equipped with Sony batteries.

The laptop incident was described on the web site Something Awful. A man ran up the wrong way and pushed aside boarding passengers and once he confirmed that no one was in the vicinity, he dropped his laptop. Once he did that the machine burst into flames.

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Japanese electronics giant Matsushita, the maker of Panasonic products, has begun recalling some 6,000 laptop batteries due to fears that they may overheat.

Matsushita Electric Industrial is recalling lithium-ion batteries installed in Panasonic-brand notebook computers assembled in April and May last year and sold in the domestic market.

Hiding the Main Page title
All, check out the Wikipedia Main Page. Note how the title of the page isn't there. It'd be great if someone could get in touch with a developer (or even a knowledgeable admin on WP) and figure out how that was done. -- IlyaHaykinson 17:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * like so. w:Mediawiki:Monobook.js uses something very similar. — Doldrums(talk) 17:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Nice investigative work.  Any objections if I put this in place on WN? I think it looks less geeky. -- IlyaHaykinson 09:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I implemented some changes: removed the page name (Ctrl-R or Ctrl-F5 to see) and made the Template:MainPageHeader a bit closer to Wikipedia's. I would suggest actually stretching it all the way across, again much like Wikipedia, if someone wants to take on this project.  If people dislike these changes, please feel free to revert (or, if lacking administrative privileges, leave a nasty message on my talk page). -- IlyaHaykinson 06:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You could also do it in CSS

body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {display:none;}

Bawolff ☺☻ 18:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ideas
I hope this is the right place to ask. Does anyone think that we could have a signpost and esparanza? Icelandic Hurricane 22:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * template:wn news. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Major world events omitted!
Britney Spears is divorcing and it is not on the frontpage? No wonder teenage girls seldom visit wikinews... 195.70.32.136 10:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is an article. Britney Spears to divorce husband Kevin Federline. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Main page changes
The page looks shocking now. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * personally I liked the previous version a little bit better. It seems unbalanced without a title. but don't let me stop you, we definitly need a change - experiment on. nevermind, I just needed to get used to it. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone object to classing the RSS link with the class rss. ( Like this ). Bawolff ☺☻
 * Actually maybe the RSS link should remain unclassed, as it links to a page listing RSS links, but does anyone mind if I include an RSS link in the footer? Bawolff ☺☻ 01:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't figure out how to edit the line with disclaimer provacy policy and about on it. But I still think we should have a stylized RSS somewhere on the main page. having Wikinews RSS sticks out at you a lot more. any sugestions? Bawolff ☺☻ 01:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

OR vs. interviews
I suggest either filtering interviews from template:original stories (notcategory=interviews), or merging the two lists. Right now interviews appear redundantly in both lists.--Eloquence 11:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * done. — Doldrums(talk) 07:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Revamp Main Page
I propose that the front page be revamped to display more articles at any one time and should displya categories like any news site. In order to sustain people's interest in the project, we need plenty of updates all the time and that featured main page stories be categorily arranged. Please check normal news sites such as googlenews for an idea on what I am saying. The revamp would include the following changed.

 * More stories on the homepage.
 * Bigger Picture for main story.
 * News Categories
 * Change title fonts back to Arial.
 * Change logo to resemble Wikipedia's main logo.

Please discuss this matter. TownCrier 01:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I personally don't want more news stories or bigger pictures on the front page. That only makes for more scrolling. The title fonts are fine with me, I don't see any reason not too look more professional, with less-"webby". typefaces.

 * News categories, though, has possibilities. I've often batted the idea in my mind that the front page could be organized by categories, with the 5 newest XXX stories, regardless of age, 5 newest YYY stories, etc. If there's more than 5 ZZZ stories in one given day, they'd all appear, but every category would have at least the five most recent. This would force us to write more articles in areas like Health or Economy and Business, which we sometimes are slow to do elsewise.

 * As for the logo, NO. While Wikipedia and Wikinews do collaborate on many occasions, they are completely seperate projects of the Wikimedia Foundation. As such, they should be branded seperately. Additionally, it's much easier to defend the copyright of completely unique logos in court. --  Zanimum 14:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

American Anthropological Association?
Is this really front-page worthy? Several prominent organizations have condemned both the war and the use of torture- what exactly is it about these anthropologists that makes this news item that significant? 138.237.165.140 07:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Um, we've only ever had five stories with the world "Anthropological", and none of them have taken place in North or South America, let alone the US. Are you sure you were looking at us? --  Zanimum 14:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The Oaxaca State governor and teacher protests
I'm looking for more information about the teacher protests in Oaxaca State. There have been endless personal stories of murder, torture, and assault (physical and sexual) carried out by the government forces against men, women, and youth who are standing up and protesting the violent and repressive government regime. Even the president of Mexico and many others have asked the Governor to step down so order can be restored, but the Governor refuses.

Have there been any additional reports or news coverage devoted to this subject? Sonofapreacherman 14:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd recommend Google News for this... n:Oaxaca protest. Our coverage of many news stories is limited, due to a relatively small user-base. As such, we haven't had any coverage since "In a Show of Force Mexican Federal Forces Remove Oaxacan Protestors from Oaxaca City Center", back on the 31st of October. --  Zanimum 14:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian report shows emissions increase "more than doubled since the 1990s"
Can we please change "Aussie" to" Australian" - this informal word implies and affectionate regard for a nation and perhaps reeks to some of smug jingoistic nationalism and possibly extremely distasteful. "Australian" is a more politically neutral word.

 * I changed Aussie to Tasmanian to avoid repetition and be more informative. Is that OK? --InfantGorilla 00:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Aussie sounded okay to me. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  16:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Extensive documentary
Is there an area to write down information that has been investigated under a longer period of time rather than "news of the day" kind of news? Lordmetroid Dec 3, 21:16

 * Look to Wikinews:Story preparation. Edbrown05 07:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There is also Request an interview. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  15:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Categories
What are the odds of categories for news such as say, news about Sony or their products, being deleted? Does anyone agree that a category for such news would be a good idea? - 24.179.176.248 05:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, we already do this on Wikinews. There is a Category:Sony. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  14:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Important Article
Muslims required to wear armbands
 * now called: Americans want Muslims to wear armbands [above comment claiming this is an important item isn't mine, but I agree] Towsonu2003 04:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Mars story
I've just corrected the text of the Mars story to note that it's evidence for water that;s been found, not actual photographs of liquid water! Can someone correct the lead on the front page?
 * Sorry, Can't find it. What's its full name? Bawolff ☺☻ 21:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Gerald Ford
CNN says Gerald Ford has died - where's the obit to move to the mainspace?

Comic
I suggest include free comics in everyday Wikinews´ edition. You can see Free webcomic, for free comic sources.--82.159.137.19 11:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually of those the only one we could include is Everybody Loves Eric Raymond. The others are all restricted to non-commercial use. the wub "?!"  22:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We had Political cartoons at one point, but it interfered with WN:NPOV And hard to figure out how to include them. There was also an offer from a cartoonist who watned to make non-political cartoons, but that never materialized (see Water cooler archives). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I just allocated that free time! terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 15:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

who decides what news get featured on main page?
who decides them? 121.6.93.193 12:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone who writes a comprehensive article may submit it on the first lead, the second lead, or the third lead. See: Main second Featured story. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  00:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Clone articles
I notice quite a few clone articles on the same subject seem to pop up. Is there any standard procedure to minimise this, or purge articles on the same topic? Pauric 14:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We usually do follow-up articles on Wikinews. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If it is an exact duplicate article (not a follow up) you can tag with . Bawolff ☺☻ 00:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Football fields as a mesure of surface
Is it really necessary to use "x football fields" to represent surfaces like the breakaway ice-shelf? And I'm certain it refers to American Football fields. Please take note that most of the planet considers "football" another sport which has a different playing field size. Besides when somebody talks about "11 000 football fiels" it starts to get hard to imagine what they ment at all. Using speficif countries or even states would make much more sense if one doesn't want to include scientific mesures (like square kilometers). But please don't use something as culture specific, confusing and just plain impossible to imagine like "football fields". I'm certaine even a pro football player can't figure out what 10 000 football fields represent except "pretty big".

Admin please fix Main Page spelling errors?
In the article summary "Iraqi govenment to investigate Saddam video" (sic) on the Main Page, the word 'government' (in the title) lacks an 'r' and the word 'responsible' is misspelled (with a 'c'). Will someone with privileges to alter the Main Page please fix these ASAP?

Also, the word 'to' is extraneous, and the whole summary in general is in desperate need of a rewrite. My suggestion: The Iraqi government has vowed to investigate the leaked video of Saddam's execution which revealed taunting of the former dictator during his final moments and angered members of the nation's Sunni minority.

EDIT: Spelling errors have been fixed (thanks!), rewrite still necessary.

Feel free to comment on Talk:Iraq investigates leaked video, taunting of Saddam if you have any suggestions :-) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Typo on main page
There's a typo in the preview for the Saddam Hussein article - it should say "unleashed", not "unleased". --89.57.185.133 01:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Fixed. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  01:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Beckham
Nothing on this? Surprising. This could be a start - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Beckham_Los_Angeles_Galaxy_contract

Wikinews
Hello.

I am doing a school project and I remember seeing a wikinews artical with a bbc news source about a woman who in 2006 was demonstrating that she didn't like a truck carrying some form of weapon in her city so she lay down in front of it in protest. I have searched for ages trying to find it but I have no luck, Can anybody help out please? 81.129.116.27 00:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, is this it? Hope i could help! Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 00:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be something to do with this . If it is, you could use the details form there to google it Nil Einne 14:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Commons images have a tab to show what links to it. If it has to do with submarines, maybe this story Britain to replace Trident nuclear missile system. But neither this nor its Related news mentions the criteria you are talking about. -67.20.191.34 15:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have any other details about it? Or even maybe what month it was in? You could also try searching google for it, and prefixing site:en.wikinews.org (that will search only wikinews). Bawolff -)(-:

question
I am wondering y any time us news gets posted on here it gets yanked but when its any international news it becomes the big story. like some of these international news stories arent really that big of a deal im sorry. something like the state of the union address is rather big considering how many lives it effects (especially in iraq). some of these stories in britain like that racist big brother thing and that serial hooker killer arent really anything when put up against some other stories. and another thing i dont get is y sometimes theres new news on here constantly than for like a week its the same stories and nothing changes, i mean more on the front page than anything else, its just something i thought was wierd.

 * The answer lies in the fact that we have a relatively limited number of contributors to write stories, and that they can write whatever they want, ignoring the big stories if they feel like it. Any established member can change the stories on the main page, so join in and help out to improve these shortcomings!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, make sure that you click "Refresh to see the latest news!" every day. Often, your cache will not update the front page. --  Zanimum 19:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

MSNBC_Poll ????
whats up with rss fead about MSNBC_Poll.Or it's just me?Plus firefox can't display it(i don't have internet explorer) and if i try to vew the source it's just a header.--87.64.21.119 05:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WikinewsLatestNews/~3/82701009/MSNBC_Poll:_87%25_of_Americans_want_Bush_impeached
 * thats not good. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

“Philippine commission tags military in slays”
Slay is not a noun. The article has been moved to “Philippine commission tags military in slayings.” The link should be updated to reflect this change in both name and target.—Kbolino 19:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noting this. It appears the article was changed to your suggestion, then later to "Philippine commission holds retired general responsible for killings". --  Zanimum 19:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

2nd versus 3rd lead
Why is there a distinction here? I always thought once we have a new story for the "secondlead" template, we bump whatever was there down to third lead, and delete whatever was third lead. Now I read that there's a formal distinction between the two? Why? -- Zanimum 16:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I thought the text on the templates explained that the 2nd lead is more a second, important international story, where the 3rd has a more human-interest side to it. Once again I really think the label "Featured Story" makes it all very confusing.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Third lead should, ideally, be a human interest story that is well written. First and second lead are for more international events/stories.  --Brian McNeil / talk 12:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Prodi's resignation dismissed??
I am not sure the article gets it clear. Prodi resigned, and his resignation was accepted. Then, as usual when it is necessary to find a new government, the President of the Republic asket to political parties whom they wanted as "new" President of the Council of Ministres, and the majority proposed Prodi again. This is why he needs a confidence vote (otherwise not requested), and this is why he will eventually lead a different govenment ("Prodi III").--151.44.124.230 22:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Columbine High School
The sub-heading of the Columbine bomb scare on the main page is pretty sensationalist, isn't it? "...just two months before the eighth anniversary..." In other words, it is one sixth of a year from a non-significant anniversary of an event which is only connected because it happened in the same place. Given a random event at Columbine high school, there is a one-in-three chance that it will be nearer to an anniversary of the shooting than this. It's a bit like saying that John F Kennedy was assassinated "only" five months after the ninety-seventh anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln - spooky co-incidence, huh? 202.20.20.129 02:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --  Zanimum 20:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Interlang
Could you please add an interlang to Japanese Wikinews? ja: can work. Also Turkish (tr) was dropped. Thanks. --Aphaia 12:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently Turkish does not exist, but I've added Japanese and Thai (th).--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

BBC poll

 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6421597.stm

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The wikiversity link is showing red as it's an internal (wikinews) link. Could someone please change this as i don't know the correct link. Cheers --MarkieTalk 16:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Where exactly is this link? — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right at the bottom in the sister projects area.--MarkieTalk 17:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * oops sorry it seems to have been a glitch - dont know what quite went on as its blue now!?!?!?--MarkieTalk 17:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Try refreshing your cach by using control-r on your keyboard, if you have anymore problems like this. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * May just be me going mad though!--MarkieTalk 17:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

"Ungdomshuset" still relevant?
In the main page of wikipedia, the following news item is listed: Riots break out in Nørrebro, Copenhagen following the eviction of squatters from Ungdomshuset by Danish police.

This is rather old news, the riots have completely stopped, and the story has (almost, but not completely) been dropped from the local media (I am from Denmark). Perhaps someone could find some more current news to place there instead?
 * We have nothing to do with the news section on the front of Wikipedia, although you're not the first to think that we do. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Aha, do you have any suggestions for where I could post this instead, then?
 * their main page talk? --Brian McNeil / talk 20:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Good idea, thanks

editintro's in create an article box seem to be screwed
Big line breaks by is this a minor edit box. I wrote a thing on bugzilla about it, hopefully someone will fix it soon. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Shorts as first lead?
Does everyone agree to have a brief as lead article? I personally think it should at least be a separate article, with an expand-tag.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * not quite sure i understand you, but if you mean that the link to the day's shorts on the main page shld be more prominent than its what it is now (a link in Start an article), then yes. –Doldrums(talk) 10:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I mean that the story about Eastern stock markets fall sharply was the main lead, and that page redirects to Wikinews Shorts: March 14, 2007.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * in that case, i don't like the idea of making a shorts item a lead article. looks odd that we haven't developed the article we consider most important to the state where it can stand as a full article. –Doldrums(talk) 17:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Dynamic content broke
I'm seeing all the dynamic boxes expanded on the front page with Firefox 2.0.0.2. Has someone been playing with the CSS and/or Javascript? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup now you mention it im seeing that too in IE (boo hiss!) as well.--Markie Talk 09:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The templates for each major region also appear fully expanded, check the bottom of Portal:Turkey which has three. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * i think (can't quite remeber) that these have been showing like this for a long time but not sure about the main page.--Markie Talk 10:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The correct behaviour is such that where there is only one dynamic box on a page it appears expanded. When >1 they all appear collapsed.  So, for many of the country portals the region box will appear expanded.  Turkey has three so they should appear collapsed.  Main page was working within the last week, but tracking down where the error is isn't something I can do. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. Ok, didnt know that. Thanks--Markie Talk 10:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Confirming Main Page breakage viewed with Opera 9.10 too. Dan100 (Talk) 15:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmmh, I use Firefox 2.0.0.2. too, and everything seems fine...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have hide/show boxes on the oldest days of news? --Brian McNeil / talk 16:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I have.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * IE is not showing the [show] and [hide] tags next to the older days of news.  Thunderhead  ►  17:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that was me, reverted my changes, see if that's it, sorry everyone Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 18:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope sorry still cant see any hide/show tabs even when cache cleared--Markie Talk 18:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, can't have been my changes, that's interesting. Bawolff should be able to track it down, as he's our js expert Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 18:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Might just be me - better wait for someone else to check if it changes for them--Markie Talk 18:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Similarly to this on the single source template the exceptions are bit now doesnt expand.--Markie Talk 20:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Still broke Brian, so it wasn't your changes. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't get the Template:Singlesource show/hide to work either.  Thunderhead  ►  00:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Contaminated pet food causes massive recall

Does this really belong in Category:Disasters and accidents? I hope not. --SVTCobra 01:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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Football: Chelsea beat out Spurs in FA Cup replay

March 19, 2007

Two second half goals by Andrei Shevchenko and Shaun Wright-Phillips were enough to give Chelsea a lift to the FA Cup semifinals earlier today at White Hart Lane. The first of the matches ended in a 3-3 draw last week at Stamford Bridge, where Chelsea had to come from 3-1 down to force the replay. Dimitar Berbatov, who scored in the last game, was paired up front with Robbie Keane for Tottenham, while Chelsea played Andrei Shevchenko and Didier Drogba up front as strikers. Martin Atkinson was the match referee for the evening at White Hart Lane in London.

Both teams started at a frantic pace, neither wanting to go to extra time in the match. The first real chance fell to Tottenham's Robbie Keane after he was found by Berbatov's flick, but Ashley Cole's last gasp dive blocked the Irishman's shot. Chelsea were restricted to long range efforts at the start of the half with two shots by Ballack and one by Wright-Phillips flying wide of the net. Spurs had two more chances from Dawson and Berbatov, but neither troubled Chelsea keeper Petr Cech.

After the restart, Tottenham had several quick chances, but Cech was able to stop both a cross in to Chimbonda and a low drive from Steed Malbranque. Shevchenko then produced a well taken goal by running down the left, cutting to his left foot, and curling an unstoppable shot past England international keeper Paul Robinson. Chelsea doubled their lead 7 minutes later through Shaun Wright-Phillips after his first-time shot went across Robinson and into the back of the net. Martin Jol responded to the Chelsea goals by replacing Malbranque with Jermain Defoe, but the next few attempts on goal from Spurs would be off target shots by Zokora. Ricardo Carvalho then brought down Berbatov in the penalty area and were awarded a penalty by referee Martin Atkinson. Robbie Keane scored from the spot putting pressure on Chelsea for the last 10 minutes of the game. Spurs pushed forward, but were unable to convert any chances, and they were eliminated from the FA Cup.

The win gives Chelsea a date in the cup semifinals against Blackburn, while Tottenham's next match is at home to Reading in the Premiership.


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Italian journalist freed by Afghan captors

March 20, 2007 Italian journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo was released by his Taliban captors in Afghanistan, Monday, after having been kidnapped and held hostage since March 5, 2007. Mastrogiacomo's intrepreter is believed to have been released as well, though no details are reported.

Mastrogiacomo, a reporter with Italian newspaper , was taken captive in Helmand Province along with his Afghan interpreter and his driver, while attempting to obtain interviews with members of the Taliban.

In a television interview after his release, Mastrogiacomo expressed his gratitude to those that worked for his release. "I'm very happy, I thank you all. I knew you wouldn't abandon me", said Mastrogiacomo.

He also described some horrors that he witnessed while in captivity. Syed Agha had been killed in front of him by their captors. "I saw him being decapitated, it was horrific", Mastrogiacomo recalled.

The driver, Syed Agha was reportedly decapitated by his captors for "spying" in the presence of Mastrogiacomo. Agha's family blockaded the hospital in Lashkar Gah where Mastrogiacomo was being treated, demanding to know what happened to Agha. For reasons still unclear, security forces arrested the head of that hospital, Rahamatullah Hanafi.

Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah told that the release of Mastrogiacomo and his interpreter was secured through the exchange of five senior Taliban members.

Romano Prodi suggested it was not a simple task to secure Mastrogiacomo's release, which was obtained with the help of Italian authorities, humanitarian officials and the Afghan government.

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Taliban resurgent in Pakistan on enforcement of Sharia law

May 4, 2007

"Pakistan was un-affected by Talibans and al-Qaeda (in my opinion) until the US flushed them out of Afghanistan. So 9/11 and WTC and the post WTC attacks by the ISAF (read American, for the locals) forces have led to the present condition in NWFP. At least that is the way the people there see it," wrote Riaz A Hakeem in one of a series of email exchanges with Wikinews.

Mr. Hakeem, 58, left the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) at the age of 25 and became a naturalized citizen of the U.S. Now a businessman who is active in Texas politics, he shares some views as a person who is in touch with his family and friends who remain in the region. He travelled throughout portions of Pakistan at the end of last year.

What is the current situation in the NWFP?

The Pashtun people are or were renowned for their hospitality. Many westerners commented on it. Some with suspicion NOT willing to believe some people so poor could be so generous. It was almost a character flaw. One could travel without fear of personal danger as long as you followed local protocols.

That was the sort of mind set among the people. An ageless paradigm of self satisfaction: this is enshrined in the code of the Pashtuns way of life.

The Islamic radicalism is in reality nothing but the Taliban movement. Not all Pashtuns are Taliban (obviously), but most Taliban are Pashtun. Of these, most belong to the FATA. Of these, most were affected by their cousins from Afghanistan coming over. Mingled with them were Arab-Afghans, Uzbeks and some Tajiks and even Chechens. Some of these married within the tribes and formed a bond with the locals. Marriage bonds go back in history.

This Talibanization shows itself in the content of the Friday sermons at the mosque. Now it shows in the popularity of growing beards, especially since the MMA - the coalition of religious political party's - won power. More recently in their showdown with the Pakistan army in North and South Waziristan - where according to my sources, people prefer going to the Taliban for justice rather than the older system of Maliks and Political Agents. The latter are known as corrupt. In Pakistan, in general, people are sick of the amount of corruption.

Bannu, from where hails the Chief Minister of the NWFP, Mr. Durrani, is now in Taliban control in the sense that there is a parallel government that they have established which is functioning quite well and is popular among the people.

Has Taliban influence caused a stricter intrepretation of Sharia law in the NWFP?

Yes. The Maliks, or tribal elders, consider themselves quite conservatively religious. Even so, they had a laid back attitude towards enforcement of religious doctrine.

The Taliban emulated the Saudi system of having a department concerned with citizens’ morals (even the name is the same: the department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice) and this department has, as in Saudi Arabia, an enforcement police, called mutawwa'in, a morals law-enforcement agency.

Is there a shift from tribal elders to clerics, as the main interpreters of law?

There has been a movement in that direction, but it has started a power struggle between the clerics who traditionally have been at the lowest strata of the social structure. Now when they have seen a bigger role for themselves, first from the Taliban in Afghanistan – but also the government of the MMA in the NWFP, who are nothing more than glorified clerics themselves, only a little smarter in exploiting religion politically.

The MMA is largely non-Pashtun, which is a source of discontent in that they stand in the way of Pashtun nationalism, such as it is, because it only rears its head when non-Pashtuns start to usurp power over what the Pashtun consider their turf.

'''The deal made between Pakistan's central government and the North and South Waziristan provinces, where tribal leadership was given the pivotal role in dealing with militants, has been criticized as a failure. What caused this initiative to fail?'''

First off, I don't agree with the premise of the question, that the "deal" is a "failure" - for the following reasons:

 * 1) In the first place the Pakistan army (govt - same difference) did not have many options. This was the least worst option they had.
 * 2) And most importantly, I have said this before, this area is literally in a time warp - which means they proceed at (what seems to us in the west) a glacial pace. I will give an example from the folklore: The story goes that a Pashtun had to repay (badal) an enemy for a crime against his family and he waited patiently for 20 years (some say 50 years), after this time, he exacted his revenge - but soon after was depressed because he wondered "Did I act too hastily?"So one part of Pashtunwali is to "pay back" - (Badal: literally to exchange) which most people translate as revenge. Yes that is the form that is most visible, but badal is also played out in the exchange of gifts at wedding and other celebrations, and in the exchange of favors like in politics. The rules can be arcane, unwritten and hard to follow -- who did what to whom, when, and so on, and what is the proper recompense -- this same give and take would occur in a peace process pursued by the Tribal Maliks, who rule by consensus. There is no actual leader in the western sense, because all the Maliks, in fact all the others are de facto, so many co-equals is a mind set, a paradigm foreign to the uninitiated, as the concept of consensual gay sex is to the Wazir in Waziristan.
 * 3) The agreement has not failed, because it has not been given enough time, in Wazir time reference, not American time presidential election cycle controlled. I do not have a crystal ball, but if I did, I would see NATO troops in Afghanistan long after Iraq is over. Afghanistan can be a success ONLY if we accept one thing, the time warp these people live in -- by my reckoning its still 1700 CE over there.

Is the Talibanization of Pakistan partly due to a perception of corruption among the system of Maliks and Political Agents?

The corruption is in the ISI, the Pak army and the Pak system of Political Agents (PA) assigned to these tribal zones (FATA & PATA).

These PA have budgets that are much like the CIA in that they are a single line item in the national budget, there is no accountability of where or how the PA spends the money. If one followed the IRS rules and looked at the lifestyles of the PA and compared them with their income, you would soon understand what was going on.

Musharraf critics are a larger issue. Republicans have coddled Pakistan with the belief that "as long as they are pro America" then democracy in Pakistan will come in due course. Democrats have, I think, insisted Democracy first, and then we can discuss the other issues later.

The Talibanization of Pakistan has more to do with graduates of "Raiwind", a place near Lahore, where the "Tablighi Jamaat" conducts brainwashing camps. It was graduates of this place, in my opinion, that are responsible for Britain's 7/7 attacks as an example.

Corruption amongst the Maliks is self limiting because of the egalitarian society they live in and because of Pashtunwali.

What is your view on Musharraf suspending judge Iftikhar Chaudhry?

I believe, and this is widely held belief, that Musharraf has no constituency of his own for his power base. He wanted legitimization from the Supreme Court, and Mr Choudhry as Chief Justice (their system is not like ours) would not give it.

So Musharraf has had to hang on to his Army Chief of Staff position to get his power from the Army. If some one else were Chief of Staff, that person could refuse to support Musharraf.

The Justice favorable to the general is Justice Iqbal, who was not the next in line for Chief Justice. The next in line is a Hindu. That presented problems of its own for Musharraf. So when the Hindu judge went for a trip to India, Iqbal became the "available" senior most Supreme Court judge, and hence the haste and lack of decorum with which Justice Chaudhry was removed.

What is the prevailing sentiment regarding Pakistani government efforts in the provinces and the international effort in Afghanistan to combat Taliban and affiliated militants?

In my dealings and inquires, one thing stood out like a sore thumb - the conspiracy theories vis-à-vis anything having to do with America. I mentioned to one of my close friends that events that were previously ascribed as acts of God were now considered acts of the CIA. Some even believed that the Earthquake in the northern areas was because of some sort of underground secret "bomb" used by the CIA. Lack of evidence is further proof that the CIA did it. I was flabbergasted, and started to give this kind of thinking as an example in speaking to "educated" Pakistani's - and among these, those that did agree that the earthquake was NOT the work of the CIA, they would start giving other examples, notably the Blow up of the plane carrying Zia ul Haq an ex President of Pakistan, in which the US Ambassador also perished. When I would point this out, the response would be that that is the sort of thing they do to take away suspicion from themselves.

In a nutshell, the impression I came away with is, there is NO war of civilizations going on. What is going on is a war between literacy and illiteracy.

Taliban are not visible in the areas I visited, but the militants handiwork clearly is - as elsewhere, the common criminals are taking advantage of this situation, and crime is up significantly. One new crime is Cell phone "snatching" - it's easy and nobody wants to pursue it. If some one is using a Razr phone, he can expect to be hit soon if he uses it in public. So people have two cell phones, one fancy to show off, and one for use in public places.

Insofar as "foreign" militants are captured and identified, that is to say non-Pashtun (including non Afghan Pashtun or Pak Pashtun) - then the people are obviously in agreement with the government that these people don't belong here and need to go.

The problem is this: the foreigners are usually in the FATA and have been there since the Soviet war times. Many of them have taken local wives and now have a family. The local have accepted them into their family. Now for the Pak govt to ask them to kick them out, the locals are thinking what am I doing to my grandchildren's father, etc. Again the edicts of Pashtunwali also play a role.

What is the relationship, if any, between the Taliban and Al Qaeda?

Al Qaeda is mostly composed of Arabs, they do not trust any one else. While they might use others as couriers or in lowly position as servants, for second rate Al Qaeda officials, the Top guys ONLY deal with Arabs and are served by Arabs.

The Taliban are mostly Pashtun tribesmen. Mostly they are graduates of madrassa's. Mostly illiterate by any world standards. The better educated among them will know how to speak a few words of English, such as their Information minister. There might be one or two notable exceptions of which I am not aware.

However, while Al Qaeda does not trust the Taliban, the Taliban look up to Al Qaeda top leadership. We saw this situation in Iraq where initially Al Zarqawi had no direct link with Qaeda but was keen to form one. It would be conjecture on my part to state that in the end he did indeed succeed in forming that connection. In the press at least that impression was prevalent.

So the lines of interest proceed ONE way, like one way traffic. Extremist want to be affiliated with Qaeda, in my opinion, while the latter does not, so as to maintain its hideout.

The Qaeda supply lines are hampered, new recruits would have to be Arabs, and they would have to travel a long way through tight Pakistani security to reach here, or suffer hardship over a long and arduous land route through Balochistan and the Tribal area's - NOT all of which are accommodating.

So as is becoming clear, Qaeda is having trouble replacing people they loose meaning those that were captured or died. They only trust Arabs, and that also a certain type of Arabs, (not all Arabs are the same, not all Arabic is the same - for example they would never trust a Syrian, in fact Qaeda folks consider Syrian brand of Islam an apostasy - but that is another story).

Whatever remains of the Qaeda, are not in a position to set up training camps, since they are in a survival mode. The Taliban resurgence helps them get a little warm and fuzzy in this survival mode, since they feel a little bit more secure with their partners-in-arms doing some evil stuff, blowing up people and causing mayhem.

What makes the North-West Frontier Province competent to administer money sent as foreign aid?

This is the central question. Much like California has taken a separate initiative on stem cell research – as an analogy – the NWFP is central to the war on terror, not Pakistan.

The NWFP was central to the fight and aid to the Afghans during the Soviet occupation, not Pakistan.

This small distinction is lost on Washington, and it is the main reason, in my opinion, why so much of the Aid was "lost in transit" was because the Punjabi army officers could not bring themselves to dispense such large sums to an ethnic group which it considers anti-Pakistani.

All the FATA is contiguous to the NWFP. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are holed up somewhere either in the FATA, or across the Durand Line in Afghanistan; the Durand Line has never been recognized by the locals as an international boundary. Even today, the Pashtun travel from Peshawar to Kabul by road with out a passport or visa, and it has been like that for eons.

The present governor of the NWFP belongs to the Orakzai tribe (he spells his name Aorakzai) and it is my opinion that that he was picked partly because he belongs to one of the FATA as well as he is a retired General of the Pak Army.

The Frontier Constabulary (FC) is a force which primarily recruits from the FATA. All or most of its forces are from the various tribes. In the eyes of the tribes this is a bona fide force and service with the FC is considered an honorable thing. The US has already allocated some funds for increasing recruitment, but far less than what it would take to counter the Taliban and far less than what the economic need is. The US spends a thousand times more on a battalions sent to monitor activity over there. Plus why endanger the lives of our troops and spread our forces thin when a more effective job can be done by the FC. The FC has over history shown that they will attack and use force against the tribes that create trouble. There have been no instances of insubordination or mutiny.

Even the US Embassy is protected by a contingent of the FC! That goes to show their trustworthiness and discipline.

The "tribal" Pashtuns in the FATA are not educated or trained and hence not employable right now. I propose that we fund directly the Director of Emigrants, Mr. Azhar Arbab in Islamabad, to set up training facilities in Concrete laying, iron work, pipe work, welding etc, which would then qualify these tribesmen to obtain jobs in the Gulf. As such we would remove them from the scene altogether. They would not be available in the labor pool to the Taliban or anyone else. I might add here, that a number of these individuals have very high innate intelligence, which is one reason they make formidable foes.

Now the central reason why the NWFP ought to do this is because they are themselves most affected by the scourge of Talibanization. They are highly motivated in carrying out these policies because it is to their own benefit.

How many men does the FC field currently?

The FC currently has about 23,000 men in total.

How much do they get paid?

They are paid the equivalent of $60 per month per person -Pak Rupees 3665, where Rs61= $1. They do have some fringe benefits but life is very spartan for these soldiers.

What the US could get in return is a huge bang for a buck, no pun intended.

I think we ought to double the number of these soldiers with one proviso that the FC maintains its high standards of recruits.

Compare this with our costs in the War against Terror; just Halliburton’s bills will have you reeling. I think that it would be foolish, NOT to do this.

The Frontier Constabulary is an Institution with a long and glorious history within the Frontier Province.

The recruits come strictly from the tribes of the various FATA and so they are very familiar with the people, the bad guys the terrain.

They speak the Pashto dialect of the locals. The Pashto language has many dialects, and you can tell where someone is from based on which dialect he speaks. So if you do not speak the correct dialect, you are immediately identified as an outsider. This is one reason why these tribes are impossible to penetrate, there are other reasons as well, that are beyond the scope of the current discussion.

How can the FC help prevent attacks like the suicide bombing attempt on Sherpao in Charsadda last weekend?

In essence your question is how can anyone prevent a suicide attack? And frankly if I knew the answer to that I think the US military - and several other groups - would be knocking on my door. I think the Israeli Army has had the most experience with this sort of thing. The suicide bombing as a tactical weapon was invented by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, and even today in terms of statistics they use it in far greater numbers.

So to summarize neither the FC nor anyone else can prevent a suicide bombing. We could attempt to improve our intelligence to find out about an imminent attack, but so far these have not been very successful in Pakistan. In the Lal Masjid Case the government avoided a suicide killing by negotiating with those two Mullah brothers - but I don't know if that counts. But it does make for an interesting story. Both Washington, DC and Islamabad now have Madams threatening to publish the list of their clients unless they are given protection. Who would have thunk?

Going back to your question: In my opinion what ought to be done is to make a Policy change, and address the issues that are producing these suicide bombers, that is the only way to stop this phenomenon.

In this part of the world this is relatively new because prior to 9/11, suicide bombing was unheard of. Moreover it is not the FC's job to provide security to the Minister of the Interior, that is the job of the Police force, because this Ministry is equivalent to the Department of Homeland Security.

You don't expect Border patrol to provide body guard duty to the Secretary of the department of Homeland Security. I am making these analogies so the American readers would relate to what is happening, and understand the difference in nomenclature. --RHakeem 20:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


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2007 Cricket World Cup: South Africa vs Scotland

March 20, 2007

South Africa beat Scotland by 7 wickets (with 160 balls remaining) in Group A of the World Cup at the Warner Park Stadium, Basseterre, Saint Kitts and Nevis.

Scotland captain Craig Wright missed this match as he had flown home to attend his aunt's funeral; Ryan Watson deputised as captain in his absence.

This victory meant both South Africa and Australia qualified for the Super 8 phase.

Toss: South Africa won, and elected to field first.

Fall of wickets: 1-35 (Haq, 11.2 ov), 2-43 (Watts, 14.1 ov), 3-63 (Hamilton, 19.1 ov), 4-71 (McCallum, 24.2 ov), 5-84 (Watson, 29.3 ov), 6-113 (Smith, 38.4 ov), 7-163 (Blain, 47.4 ov), 8-186 (Hoffmann, 49.6 ov)

Fall of wickets: 1-134 (de Villiers, 15.5 ov), 2-162 (Prince, 20.6 ov), 3-178 (Smith, 22.6 ov)

South Africa: G C Smith (capt), A B de Villiers, J H Kallis, H H Gibbs, A G Prince, J M Kemp, M V Boucher (wkt), S M Pollock, A J Hall, C K Langeveldt, M Ntini Scotland: D F Watts, R M Haq, R R Watson (capt), G M Hamilton, N F I McCallum, D R Brown, C J O Smith (wkt), G A Rogers, J A R Blain, J D Nel, P J C Hoffmann

Player of the match: G C Smith (South Africa)

Umpires: M R Benson (England) and E A R de Silva (Sri Lanka) TV umpire: S A Bucknor (Jamaica) Match referee: R S Madugalle (Sri Lanka) Reserve umpire: A L Hill (New Zealand)


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Might as well add a wikilink for Jeffrey Walsh now. Sherurcij 14:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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2007 Cricket World Cup: New Zealand vs Kenya

March 20, 2007

New Zealand beat Kenya by 148 runs in Group C of the World Cup at the Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, Saint Lucia.

This victory qualifies New Zealand for the Super 8 phase.

Toss: Kenya won, and elected to field first.

Fall of wickets: 1-0 (Vincent, 0.4 ov), 2-105 (Fleming, 20.1 ov), 3-192 (Taylor, 33.4 ov), 4-274 (Styris, 43.1 ov), 5-280 (Oram, 44.4 ov), 6-307 (McCullum, 47.6 ov), 7-321 (McMillan, 49.2 ov)

Fall of wickets: 1-4 (DO Obuya, 2.3 ov), 2-8 (Ouma, 5.2 ov), 3-26 (Tikolo, 10.5 ov), 4-29 (Mishra, 11.4 ov), 5-76 (CO Obuya, 20.3 ov), 6-122 (Shah, 29.6 ov), 7-149 (Kamande, 35.3 ov), 8-167 (Onyango, 41.6 ov), 9-179 (Odoyo, 44.2 ov), 10-183 (Ongondo, 49.2 ov)

New Zealand: S P Fleming (capt), L Vincent, R L Taylor, S B Styris, J D P Oram, C D McMillan, B B McCullum (wkt), D L Vettori, J E C Franklin, S E Bond, M J Mason Kenya: M A Ouma (wkt), D O Obuya, R D Shah, S O Tikolo (capt), T Mishra, C O Obuya, T M Odoyo, J K Kamande, L N Onyango, P J Ongondo, H A Varaiya

Player of the match: R L Taylor (New Zealand)

Umpires: B R Doctrove and R E Koertzen (South Africa) TV umpire: P D Parker (Australia) Match referee: M J Procter (South Africa) Reserve umpire: Asad Rauf (Pakistan)


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Yahoo releases mobile phone search engine

March 20, 2007

On Monday the second largest Internet search engine Yahoo introduced its new service called oneSearch. The service represents a search system that delivers locally relevant answers for mobile phone users.

The company will first launch its service in the United States and then make it international. OneSearch is to push aside Yahoo's main competitor Google in the field of mobile Web search.

Marco Boerries, who works as a senior vice president of Yahoo's Connected Life business unit, said that the company is now working on putting search on every phone that includes a browser.

OneSearch provides several services including: news headlines, images from Yahoo's Flickr photos site, business listings, local weather and links to other Web sites.

Yahoo's officials said that the company has already begun offering OneSearch on 85% of existing mobile phones that include Web browsers.

The search results are delivered on a single page and are set in categories. The results are prioritized according to the calculation that Yahoo computers make about a specific information that the customer is trying to make.

The company signed deals with several major mobile phone manufacturers, including: Samsung Electronics Inc., Nokia, Motorola Inc. and LG Electronics Inc.

Yahoo also promised to help advertisers gain phone customers. Because users make their searches on their phones, they can directly reach the advertiser by clicking on a link. Yahoo's new service, oneSearch runs sponsored ad which is being linked to Web search results and display advertisements. OneSearch may also run mini-banner ads developed for mobile phone screens.

It might take some time before Yahoo could actually see positive financial results of its product. Nevertheless its developers are quite happy with the result of their work.


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Missing boy scout from North Carolina found alive

March 20, 2007 Michael Auberry, the Boy Scout from Greensboro, North Carolina who went missing on Saturday was found alive by rescuers at 11:00 a.m. EST.

"We have our missing Boy Scout," said Tina White of the United States National Park Service.

"Search and rescuers who located him have their hands on him. He is in the care of search and rescue workers. Probably the most important thing we heard on the radio is A-1, which means he is in good condition," added White.

The 12 year-old boy was dehydrated but unharmed. He went missing when he walked away from the campsite, during lunch time, where his scout troop was staying in the mountains of North Carolina. He wanted to sleep in Saturday morning and stayed behind at the campsite with an adult scout leader.

"He was in good spirits [when he disappeared]. He ate lunch, chatting with the boys. He was walking around with I think some Pringles and a mess kit. The next moment, sounds like a blink of the eye, he was gone," said the boy's father, Kent Auberry.

Members of the boy's church were praying for his safe return when the news broke that he was found alive.

"This shows that when everybody works together, good things happen. We just believed that he was going to be found," said Susan Norman Vickers, the associate minister of the Christ United Methodist Church.

The boy had been missing for over 4 days. Some 70 people with heat detecting equipment and a plane helped in the search.


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The title seems misleading. How about "Yahoo releases mobile phone search engine"?--70.158.160.6 18:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree after reading the article. I made the change. Good eye :) DragonFire1024 18:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

-- i dunno it seems almost press release-ish. doesn't seem to fit 'wikipedia news'
 * We are not wikipedia, so it shouldn't fit with wikipedia's in the news section. However it shouldn't be press-releasy either. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


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Note: Image was released by the U.S. National Park Service, as noted on the image. Although the source is from CNN, they also obtained the image from the National Park Service. Therefore I believe that it clearly qualifies as. The image filename is the same as it was when it was saved and uploaded, which alos states clearly that the image is from the National Park Service. DragonFire1024 18:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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North Korea boycotts talks on nuclear program

March 20, 2007

According to Japan's chief envoy, Kenichiro Sasae, North Korea will not take part in 6-party talks regarding their nuclear program until the United States releases US$25 million of North Korean funds frozen by the U.S. government in a Macau bank.

A meeting, scheduled to take place today between the 6 nations involved in the talks, was cancelled as North Korea did not receive the money.

"There was no progress at all today. China as chairman (of the talks) urged North Korea to come to the table but they would not come. According to China, North Korea said they will not come to join further discussions until they confirm that their money got into their bank account in China," said Sasae.

According to the US, however, the issue of frozen funds from the Macau lender Banco Delta was "resolved." The money can be "used solely for the betterment of the North Korean people," said Daniel Glaser, the U.S. Deputy Assistant Treasury.

"[The funds will be released] in accordance with the instructions of the account holders," said a statement by The Monetary Authority of Macau.

The nations participating in the talks to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program are the United States, Japan, Russia, South Korea and host, China, as well as North Korea itself.

North Korea agreed on February 13 to dismantle their nuclear program by April 14, 2007.


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Indented quotes in some articles make it look extremely messy...thats why I reverted. Also quotes should not be removed if they are sourced properly. DragonFire1024 20:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Google's YouTube to present its best video awards

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It doesn't seem too professional, making up that category. Link to the article about Viacom suing, instead.--67.72.98.115 01:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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SpaceX Falcon I launches from Kwajalein Atoll

March 21, 2007

SpaceX Corporation launched its Falcon I rocket today from Kwajalein Atoll. Liftoff occurred at 6:00 PM PDT, following two previous launch aborts this week.

The first stage was completely successful, although there appeared to be some problems with the second stage. The sub-orbital flight reached an altitude of 300 km, and is on a traectory for re-entry. It was intended to go into orbit, but contact was lost before this could be accomplished

This is the second launch for the low-cost SpaceX rocket, and the first successful launch for the company. The previous launch had a successful lift-off, but failed 35 seconds into the flight and crashed near to the launch pad due to a fuel leak in the engine.


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SpaceX Falcon I rocket fails to orbit test satellite

March 21, 2007

The SpaceX Falcon 1 rocket has failed to place a DARPA demonstration payload into orbit, on its first flight into space. The rocket launched from Omelek Island, at 01:10 GMT on 21 March, just less than a year after its maiden flight which failed just seconds after launch.

The rocket, which is the first privately-funded liquid-fueled launch vehicle, was intended to place the payload into a low-Earth orbit, but all contact with the rocket was lost just over five minutes into the flight.

The first stage burn proceeded nominally, and separation occurred on schedule. As the first stage fell away from the second, it was observed to have impacted on the engine bell of the second stage. About five minutes into the flight, the second stage began to roll out of control. All data was lost at T+5 minutes, 5 seconds.


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I personally think that the fair use for this is kinda thin. It is a screenshot, but it was taken by a competing news organization (a blogger), which I don't know if it counts. Also it has wmp visible. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't comment on how screenshots of web-based video files compare to screenshots of regular media (TV). But I am pretty sure Microsoft will not be unhappy to see a little bit of WMP wherever they can get it. I bet they are sick of YouTube. --SVTCobra 02:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well yes, I'm sure they love the publicity. I just feel on general principal, the less we are using fair use stuff the better. That's just a minor concern though. My main worry is how it was taken by a competing news thing as opposed to a screenshot taken by a wikinewsie. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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According to http://hobbyspace.com/nucleus/ there was no test satellite on this particular flight, contrary to previous flight manifests. The dummy payload did fail to achieve orbit, however. The Tacsat mission is still available and is scheduled for the next launch. --Robert Horning 02:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, could we merge this with SpaceX Successfuly Launches from Kwajalein Atoll? There is no point in having two competing stories here. I don't care what the actual title is here, but this is duplication of effort for what is the same story. --Robert Horning 02:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, these stories are so concurrent that they really constitute the same event. However, is Hobbyspace a reliable source? They are not like other news-rooms. --SVTCobra 02:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * On this particular topic, I would put hobbyspace as reliable as a granite rock. This guy has followed the alt.space movement and is as connected to what is going on with all of the various companies, including SpaceX, as any professional journalist.  And he is unbiased so far as that goes, as he is agnostic toward any particular rocket company.  I know this isn't like other newsrooms, but in this case I would count what he has to say well over what MSNBC or CNN have to say about this topic.  They would be going to hobbyspace to find out the gritty details and get additional contact within the industry.  I'm not kidding here.  Welcome to the blogosphere, where you have "reporters" on very narrow topics that do beat the pros.  He usually beats traditional media on these topics by at least a week to often the mainstream media doesn't even report the stuff he does.  --Robert Horning 03:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Apparently, there were a couple of experimental modules that NASA put into this launch, as well as a package from DARPA, but it was not the Tacsat satellite. NASASpaceflight.com has some more details about what was launched, together with some interviews of Elon Musk from a recent press conference and some "exclusive" interviews as well.  --Robert Horning 03:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


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NSW Opposition leader uses Yahoo Answers to query voters

March 21, 2007

The Opposition leader of the New South Wales Liberal Party, Peter Debnam, has turned to the power of the internet to communicate with his constituents. Mr Debnam has posted on Yahoo! Answers asking voters how NSW could be fixed.

Mr Debnam said he felt there was a great number of issues left neglected in the state and asked for suggestions on how to fix the state. "I believe there are a great number of issues left neglected in this state what are your suggestions to fix NSW?" said Mr Debnam. It is the first time a major Australian politician has used a community-driven site to poll voters.

Mr Debnam will be contesting the NSW Premiership at the election to be held on Saturday, March 24.

Posters on the site have complained about issues ranging from poor transport infrastructure, the state's economy, emergency room waiting times and the funding of NSW schools.


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The article has been written based upon the posting by Mr Debnam on Yahoo! Answers - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 05:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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There is likely to be users out there that can't see the significance of this article. It is the first time a major politician has used a community-driven website to poll the electorate in Australia. I feel this itself deserves attention - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 05:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all heading online IMO: Hillary Clinton to host live webcasts -Edbrown05 07:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I knew it had been done in the US but it is a first for Australia - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the Internet will kill television with its interactivity, thank goodness, and people will be better off and wiser for it. Programing content offered by TV... what a waste. -Edbrown05 07:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * nah, people are too lazy. they'll end up with TV on the internet. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So true - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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World agricultural honeybee disappearance

March 21, 2007 At least 24 states across the United States are reporting that honeybees are disappearing and the reason is not known, but scientists have an idea of what might be causing the disappearance.

"Every day, you hear of another operator. It's just causing so much death so quickly that it's startling," said acting state apiarist, Dennis vanEngelsdorp who works for the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture.

At least 30 to 60 percent of the bees on the west coast of the U.S. have died or disappeared. The east coast and the state of Texas have reported a nearly 70 percent loss of bees. A 20 percent drop in bee population is expected each winter and is considered normal.

"Anything above [a] 30 percent [loss] is concerning," added vanEngelsdorp.

"It’s as high as 100 percent in Texas and one guy in Virginia has 27 hives left out of 1,400 hives. It’s to the point now where we’re starting to contact some crisis management people," said David Hackenberg who is one of the largest beekeepers in Pennsylvania.

"I’ve never seen anything like it. My hives are just getting emptied. There’s nobody home," said beekeeper, David Bradshaw.

The bees are reportedly leaving their hives to search for flowers to pollinate, and then never return home. The queen bee, nurse bee and baby bees remain in the hives only to die. Some call it a "colony collapse disorder."

"We see dead bee hives with no dead bees and nothing will live in the hive. If I had to guess, 40 percent of the bees along the East Coast are dead since September of last year. In the West Coast, it’s 25 percent and almost everybody is on either coast," said a beekeeper in Columbus, Montana, Lance Sundberg who runs the Sunshine Apiary bee hives. Sundberg has said that his bee count went from 5,600 in June of 2006 to less than 3,800 in February of 2007. He says mites might have caused at least half of the loss with the other half unexplainable.

Scientists say that the cause of the deaths and disappearances could be natural causes. Some also say that some bees became disoriented or could have been infected with mites, which could cause a lethal virus to overcome the bees. Other theories include the spread of a bee virus or a possible fungus which could cause them to die, poor nutrition and inbreeding. Scientists say that cell phone towers and crops that have been genetically engineered are not suspected of being a cause.

The disappearances could be more serious than they sound-without bees to pollinate crops, in a few years time there could be a dramatic drop in the harvests in the affected states.

Tracheal mites were the cause of a drop in bee population in 1985. After two years passed, the Varroa jacobson mite, which sucks the blood out of the bees, killed nearly 80% of bees in Montana.

Pesticides may also be to blame which could cause the bees to literally get lost on their journey back home.

"One-third of the food you eat is dependent upon honeybee pollination. If that one-third doesn’t happen, I don’t know what will occur at the grocery store," added Sundberg.

Montana is the U.S.'s 5th largest producer of honey and exports hundreds of thousands of bees to California to help with the pollination of almond plants.

Other countries reporting bee disappearances are:
 * Canada
 * Spain
 * Poland
 * Greece
 * Croatia
 * Switzerland
 * Italy
 * Portugal
 * Germany
 * England


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Pakistan coach's death 'suspicious'

March 21, 2007

The death of Bob Woolmer, Pakistan's cricket coach at the 2007 Cricket World Cup in the West Indies, has been officially labelled "suspicious" by the deputy commissioner of police, Mark Shields, in Jamaica today.

"We are now treating [the death of Mr. Woolmer] as suspicious" he said at a news conference.

Bob Woolmer unexpectedly died in his hotel room in Jamaica last Sunday shortly after Pakistan's shock defeat at the hands of Ireland.

title: Pakistan coach's death 'suspicious'