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User talk:SVTCobra/2009 Archive

Thanks
Thanks, I look forward to helping out with the use of these tools. R .T . 02:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Khalid awan is facing a false,fabricated,conspiracious case by US
thanks i want to publish this letter ,i dont know how to do, please do for me thanks
 * I am afraid that I don't see how we can publish the letter on Wikinews. If there are new developments covered in news media that makes this a news event, then excerpts of the letter can be used in support of such an article. Without context, the letter is just not news. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey.
I know we don't get along well, like...at all, but I'm leaving these notes for Danish people who may be interested in starting a national chapter. I know you're not living in Denmark right now but I figured it would still be of some interest to you. Here's the note someone kindly translated for me.

Jeg kan se at du er aktiv på den engelske Wikipedia, og at du er fra Danmark. I skrivende stund, diskuterer vi på landsbybrønden et nyt forslag, om at starte en national afdeling, der vil blive kaldet Wikimedia Danmark. Hvis du er interesseret i at bidrage med noget tid til at få startet afdelingen, kan du skrive dit navn på denne side hos meta. Tak for din tid! Mike Halterman (talk) 08:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * We don't get along? --SVTCobra 09:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think sometimes you can be a hard-ass and it rubs me the wrong way. I thought you had just felt the same, because you kept doing it. Mike Halterman (talk) 10:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, I think you are confusing being a hard-ass with being principled. As far as the Wikimedia Danmark, I wish you luck with the project. Unfortunately, I cannot commit any more time to Wiki-projects. There are those who say I should cut back the amount of time I already spend on Wikinews and take care of more important matters in meatspace. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Principled is fine, but I think you're so rigid about it sometimes, like I know nothing about you as a person or your personality, which I can't say for everyone else who is active here. But it looks like WM DK will be taking off so I'm excited about that. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

 * What can I say ... I like my privacy. It is one of the reasons I never went for an WN:AR. I am sorry if you feel that not knowing what music I like (or whatever) is a hindrance to our ability to work together. You are perceptive, though. Not many have picked up on the fact that I have lived in Denmark. I will share with you that I was not born there and I am an American citizen. I remain fully fluent in Danish due to familial ties and frequent visits to the kingdom. I don't even have an accent, I am told. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

French vs English
Hi SVTCobra! Re this move. Creche is British English as well as, presumably, French. Kinderdagverblijf in Flemish. Are we after US English (center rather than centre, theater rather than theatre), writer's English or localised English on Wikinews. (If it's one of the latter, creche is the word ;o) I know en:WP's rules on these things, but I'm new here so I'm still learning the ropes! All advice - even if just a link to a startlingly obvious policy page I should've found myself - gratefully received :o) Redvers (talk) 14:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I consulting WP before changing it. Crèche is defined only as a French word. If there had been an article, I would not have changed it. Cheers. --SVTCobra 14:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The WP article says Crèche... is a French word that means day care. In English it may mean: Day care center (especially in some British Commonwealth countries), an organisation of adults who take care of children in place of their parents... so I still think you're wrong ;o) but I'm happy to go with your advice. Is there a Wikinews version of en:WP's English variants guideline? Thanks again and sorry to pester you! Redvers (talk) 14:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * All we have is this section in the style guide. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Exactly what I was after. I'll even (I sound so sad) print the page and read it on the train home tonight. Thanks very much - I'll leave you in peace now. Redvers (talk) 15:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "Crèche" is not like keeping the spelling of the writer's English, imo. For example, it is not like "colour" versus "color". "Crèche" is a word that is without meaning to a great deal of the English-speaking world as well as to many who have English as a second language. Therefore, I argue for "day care" which is a term understood by all. --SVTCobra 01:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * First off, this is a word in English, though it is often spelt "creche" instead of "crèche", like many anglicized words with accents and the like. SVTCobra is right in that this isn't a commonly used word, so instead of linking it to Wikipedia, you should link it to Wiktionary. Just use "wikt:" instead of "w:" in the wikilink. Creche is defined there, in all its uncomplicated glory: there are just a few lines per definition. Wiktionary is often better for simple but specific definitions, whereas a link to Wikipedia is better for extended explanations of a general topic. I see nothing wrong with the use of this word if it is wiktied. Gopher65talk 01:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right, Gopher. And I did not go so far as changing it throughout the article. I simply changed it in the title and added "day care center" in parenthesis. For better or worse, the speakers of US-English do outnumber the speakers of UK-English, and "crèche" (with or without the accent) simply has no meaning here. --SVTCobra 01:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I noticed that I forgot to thank you for your congratulations on my successful RfA. Thanks;). Gopher65talk 17:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

IRC
NP. I understood the situation at the time, which is why I called the discussion as I saw it. I had to go afk shortly after, but it seems to have resolved reasonably well. -  Amgine | t 14:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO he was on a huge ego-trip, demanding that I research who he was before touching his article. Launching that shitstorm on IRC was completely ridiculous over a couple of edit conflicts, getting several people fired up over nothing. He claimed he 'lost' two paragraphs worth of work, but there is no reason for losing any work over an edit-conflict, one can simply copy and paste it into the next edit. --SVTCobra 23:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Date
Why not only Template:Date. Any difference?

Just want to know. nothing else..--119.154.47.253 19:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Without a parameter, it would constantly put in the current date, which is undesirable in our news archive. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Khadr
Hoped to get Canadian lawyer urges Prime Minister to repatriate Omar Khadr Published ASAP if it's okay with you, I had it written and posted on Wikinews within an hour of the press conference -- now nearly 12 hours later...we're not really breaking "news"... Sherurcij 00:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ The flagged revisions and the reviewing process does slow things down. But, as you know, we did what we had to do to get listed on news aggregators such as Google News. Cheers, and thanks for the original reporting, we don't have enough of it. --SVTCobra 00:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I still have a love/hate relationship with the Review Process and flagged revisions, can't decide whether they're worth the trade-off. I think flagged revisions probably are, and if we can bring things up to speed with reviews, it'll be good. We need to have that "3 stories awaiting review" in the header again...it was useful. Sherurcij 00:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * More active users is what is needed. BTW recent changes does have a Articles needing review: 4 in the header (at least when I view it). Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Improve
I have taken the liberty of publishing and sharing this important advancement of Dr A.Q Khan house arrest ends after 5 years of detention, so Help require in improving this article, with thanks Azamishaque (talk) 14:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it has been published as Pakistani nuclear scientist released from house arrest. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: under review
Sorry about that. I thought that only applied to articles under the editing tag. I'll try not to do it again. Best, -- ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 00:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, the template doesn't say anything like the editing one does. No worries. --SVTCobra 00:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Regards, Finnrind (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Must have the same thing happen to me. Thanks for the revert. —199.17.226.207 19:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Buffalo, New York plane crash may have resulted from pilot error
Please don't forget to sight articles after you have published them, this one remained in limbo for almost an hour before I sighted it. Oh, and thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. Best, -- ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 23:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks. I forget often, though sometimes I catch myself. BTW, the delay in publishing US automakers GM and Chrysler seek more government aid was due to being at work and not forgetfulness. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Response to your question
Hello, I responded to your query at Requests_for_permissions. Best, -- ♪ Tempo Di  Valse ♪ 03:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Interview notes
Where can I email them? Evrik (talk) 02:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * scoop@wikinewsie.org --SVTCobra 09:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Interview question
soon I will be interviewing Noam Chomsky, can I post the interview on wikinews as original reporting?Soapy (talk) 01:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That is certainly a big interview. If you own the interview, then yes, you can publish it here as an original interview. If it is going to be published elsewhere under copyright protection, there will be a conflict. You must provide detailed notes of the interview, where when how, etc. Uploading an audio or video recording would be best of all. Also, since you are not an accredited Wikinewsie, perhaps you should speak with someone like Brian McNeil who is accredited and has experience with interviews of political figures. --SVTCobra 15:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I would consider myself an accredited wikinewsie lol, I have written at least dozen published articles, but yes I do own the rights to the interview and I'll speak to Brian after I do the interview about how I should go about publishing it Soapy (talk) 20:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:block of Poopysamgraham
You were right, indefblock was a bit harsh. I changed the length to a week. (But if he vandalises again after the block expires, then I shall certainly indefblock him.) Best, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 23:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

vandalism
svt you allready probably know about whats going on with that article just a heads up... --71.254.98.226 01:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks --SVTCobra 01:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Scoop
No, I'm not, should I be? --Killing Vector (talk) 15:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody was responding in the chat channel, so what I did was I sent Killing Vector the transcript myself. It was the quickest way to get it reviewed. Mike Halterman (talk) 15:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Portal Roads
Thank you so much for your help getting this portal importer to work! Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  21:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:review
I reviewed the paragraph that you wrote (but not the rest of the article, since you verified that), and published the article. Best, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 02:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Marine jet crash into San Diego house blamed on string of errors
Yes, you are right. Sorry I missed that; I took my reversion back out of the article. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Philippines is culling 6500 hogs after Reston ebolavirus outbreak
Did you check for copyvio? Cirt (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I did my best ... it took me four hours. Caught some and found a direct quote that had been altered. That's not to say that it is impossible that something slipped through. --SVTCobra 15:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think especially with the history involved and the background, that articles by this individual need to be checked more thoroughly for copyvio. Cirt (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I did a very thorough check ... I saw the previous failed reviews ... I fixed problems I found ... I know of Floro's history ... what more do you want??? I spent four freaking hours looking for copyvios! --SVTCobra 15:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

More thorough review is required of this user's contributions due to the history of copyvio. This was posted to my talk page:

Florentino Floro

I'm not really involved with Wikinews so I just thought I'd tell you what I noticed, since you seem to be concerned with his behavior. I selected two random phrases from his approved articles and found copyvios; there must be a lot of copyvio involved if I found some two times in a row. The ones I saw are in this article, with text copied from here (search for "reprimand") and this article which copied directly off this source (search for "akik"). --58.69.91.199 06:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that this necessitates admin action. Cirt (talk) 07:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Advice needed
I started an article in sandbox, and renamed the article. What did I do that published the article, cause I know the talk page needs to have notes saying someone else reviewed it. Was I supposed to tag it with unpublished or something? I don't think I did that with my last article? SriMesh | talk  22:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

 * You marked the article with the publish template, which should only be done after someone else has reviewed it. Instead, you should use review when your article is ready and you want someone to review it. Best regards, ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, I left myself a note on my talk page so that I would remember. Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  22:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Colleen Howe, wife of former hockey player Gordie Howe, dies at age 76
The funeral for Colleen Howe is March 11, 2009, today. The article was written timely about the passing, but the wikinews process did not work as a collaboration of editors coming together for her. It is a great tragedy that wikinews could not honour Colleen Howe, as she seemed to indeed be an awesome lady. SriMesh | talk  01:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I found new articles, is there a reason why it cannot be published as per the Copyright Newsworthiness Verifiability NPOV Style thingies, now that you have had a peek. We live near Floral, SK where Gordie Howe was born.  The kids attended the same school Gordie Howe attended, and the school still honored Gordie Howe with their hockey program and the city still honours Gordie Howe in several ways, as Floral no longer exists.  It was cool to grow up in his memory, and I cannot understand what is wrong with Colleen for wikinews.  SriMesh |  talk  01:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi me again. The section on funerals was removed again.  That cannot go in wikipedia.  If it is not NPOV as the info was written on March 9 about March 11, and now March 11 or 12 is here depending on the time zone, then cannot the content be changed to was.. which is what I was just about to do...and it was gone.  SriMesh |  talk  01:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You cannot solicit donations or flowers for the Howe foundations, it violates WN:NPOV. Also, the way it was worded was in future tense: "On March 10" such-and-such will happen. --SVTCobra 01:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing it then. Yes I know it was in future tense, as the article was written about the passing, then updated when services announced, then updated for the funeral, there won't be any more updates.  so she has one week left to live I guess.  Anyways gotta go, it is very very sad the everythingness of it.SriMesh |  talk  01:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Came back, re read the title...Gordie Howe hailed from Canada not Colleen Howe. So it cannot be named  Canada's "Mrs. Hockey" Colleen Howe is laid to rest ... rather ''Michigan's "Mrs. Hockey" Colleen Howe is laid to rest Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  01:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * duly noted. I will think of some fix. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Cricket: West Indies regain Wisden Trophy
They are just called the WestIndies. Not British Westindies

Please see this from Wiki Info. The team includes the english speaking caribbean countries which include Antigua, Trinidad, Barabdos, Jamaica and Guyana and British dependencies that form the British West Indies. Not just the British Westindies which include Anguilla,British Virgin Islands ,Cayman Islands ,Montserrat ,Turks and Caicos Islands

The West Indian cricket team, also known colloquially as The Windies or The West Indies, is a multi-national cricket team representing a sporting confederatation of a dozen English-speaking Caribbean countries and British dependencies that form the British West Indies.

i'm including a link from the Windies cricket board to make that they are just called WestIndies and Not British Westindies. Sorry for being the pest but i thought the news needs to be accurate

http://www.windiescricket.com/index.cfm?objectid=30090D16-E3BB-BC62-FFB8A7C330B60B0F

- Gvenkat5
 * I replied on your talk page. --SVTCobra 02:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Cricket: West Indies regain Wisden Trophy
"The West Indies, is a multi-national cricket team representing a sporting confederation of a dozen English-speaking Caribbean countries and British dependencies that form the British West Indies."

West Indies Cricket Team = English-speaking Caribbean countries + British dependencies that form the British West Indies. From Wiki if u scroll down

British dependencies consists of Anguilla, Montserrat ,British Virgin Islands , These are the  British dependencies that form the British West Indies.

The rest of the caribbean countries are independent of the British Influence in their government * Antigua and Barbuda * Barbados * Dominica * Grenada * Guyana * Jamaica * Saint Kitts and Nevis * Saint Lucia * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines * Trinidad and Tobago

These are totally independent of the British Unlike those three. That is why the team is called WestIndies and not British Westindies. I hope that helped. We should not say them as british westindies. If you want please refer to the sources as well. I know it's quiet confusing but i hope this really clears why i'm stressing the point

-- Cheers GVenkat5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gvenkat5 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Cricket: West Indies
Thanks. I'm glad that i was able to explain the game of cricket and compositions of teams to some one who wanted to know abt cricket.. it's an intersting sport... look out for it once in a while. Please approve the Draft copy i have- Cheers Gvenkat5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gvenkat5 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Timliness of reviews !!
i noticed your comments on one of my articles which sat their since Sunday without review....i spent the weekend at the event, did my own research (original reporting) and seems like i wasted my time....this is the second time its happended and makes me want to reconsidering contributing since i really hate wasting my time....

how do we fix this...is there not an order / priority for reviews? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjornengelhardt (talk • contribs) 04:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I would be upset if I were you. Yours is not the only case. Speak up at the Water cooler and/or IRC. I am busier than usual in real life, and can't really help the backlog any more than I already do. It is a real problem and original work (especially!) like yours ought not be lost. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Funes edits, advice
Thanks for the tips, and for your edits to the article. I do hope to be more involved, and as I am, I would welcome any guidance and feedback that you have to offer. --Shunpiker (talk) 03:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Publish The article
I think you intended to publish the article below. But it's still in review stage. I was not able to edit it since it went in to Draft mode. Please review and Publish --Gvenkat5 (talk) 00:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Usain Bolt to run 150-meter race in Manchester

 * The article was inadvertently sighted ... however that doesn't mean you can't edit. Just edit the "draft" version. When it gets published it will include the versions from the draft, not just the so-called "stable" page. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

 * While we're at it, does anybody know of a way to un-sight edits? I asked this question at the water cooler a month ago, and nobody ever answered. :-( ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 01:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I do not at present know of a way to do that. --SVTCobra 02:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sighting
Thanks. The new system is still giving me some problems. Calebrw (talk) 02:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

 * No worries. --SVTCobra 02:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

C quote
Thank you for your note about quotes. I now see that wikipedia is also considering the quote templates archaic and to just add quotes to the text ordinary unless they are very long.SriMesh | talk  14:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Tempodivalse/Writing contest
Hi! I'm just sending out this note to all our active contributors saying that there's an article writing contest that's about to start, if you're interested in participating. Thanks. ♪Tempo <font color="#00008B" face="Papyrus">di <font color="green" face="papyrus">Valse ♪ 14:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Replacing images
Thanks, would you mind taking this one as well. Regards, Finnrind (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 00:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering
Why did you revert this? It seemed like a legit query, I was about to respond to it. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">♪Tempo <font color="#00008B" face="Papyrus">di <font color="green" face="papyrus">Valse ♪  01:35, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To me it seemed like intimidation by boilerplate. Feel free to revert and/or undelete anything I did in relation to this matter if you wish to continue a dialogue with . --SVTCobra 01:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. Looks like the user in question just quit. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">♪Tempo <font color="#00008B" face="Papyrus">di <font color="green" face="papyrus">Valse ♪  02:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem like a "12-year-old" as claimed. --SVTCobra 02:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

2009 Queensland state election results
I am wondering how the linked page could have been abandoned when the count for this region is still ongoing?

Predicted to have a final count tomorrow, 5th April 09. --Dragarr (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

 * It is pretty simple. The article had not been touched since March 22; that is abandoned. Even if the certified results haven't been issued, there were plenty of results to be had. See Queensland state election on Wikipedia. If you want to write an article on the final results when they come out, there is nothing stopping you. We would love the contribution. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:United States senate candidate Al Franken increases lead in recount
Do you like that title better? Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Revert
Thanks for the revert on my talkpage. <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="Red">red  - <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.1" color="black">thunder  .  22:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * no worries and no need to thank me. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

NPOV
It is time to ask you for advice. You have an opinion that two of my articles are NPOV. I think I need further clarification so I can come to an understanding of your opinion. SriMesh | talk  03:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't give me a lot to go on, but I think you are referring to Obama administration: Operatives who engaged in torture not to be punished and Afghanistan women protest Shia Family Law.

 * 1) The problem with the first is that it is false. Agents (if any) who engaged in torture are still subject to prosecution.
 * 2) The problem here is in generalization. There is no evidence that all Afghan women protest this law, only 100 to 200 ... the title is a misrepresentation (and it still persists).
 * I hope this answers your questions. --SVTCobra 00:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

April 20th: 10 years ago: COLUMBINE Massacre
Ok, can you delete the page

Russia ends counter terrorism operation in Chechnya
Hi, SVTCobra! You left a comment on the talk page of Russia ends counter terrorism operation in Chechnya concerning NPOV. It seems difficult for me to find a "general" Chechen expression for the situation (because I do not know where to find in published news articles official or inofficial views other than the one of the Chechen local president which is quoted a lot (and basically coincides with the Russian view point)). Maybe you have any further idea? Regards, --Angela H. (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied at the article talk page. --SVTCobra 10:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Cn
I've redirected your Cn template to Zh, which already exists, as the international language code for Chinese is the latter. (The two templates are almost exactly the same.) <font color="darkred" face="Georgia">tempo <font color="darkblue" face="Georgia">divalse  16:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

 * D'oh! Yeah, it didn't make sense that we wouldn't already have Chinese. Thanks.--SVTCobra 16:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

A penny for your thoughts
Okay, not really, but I am requesting your participation in the following Water Cooler Discussion: OR and Broadcast report. The discussion involves the need for specific policy concerning how Original Reporting relates to information recieved from a broadcast report of an event. This can include both news-style reports and non-news reports, such as a sporting event. Thanks and again, please share your thoughts on this so we can get as many people involved as possible, especially since this relates to an important topic such as OR. —Calebrw (talk) 05:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Egyptian archaeologists announce discovery of marble statue and 132 new sites
Added a comment about sources on the talk page so I could learn about which sources are which to use for future reference. SriMesh | talk  01:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied at Talk:Egyptian archaeologists announce discovery of marble statue and 132 new sites. --SVTCobra 02:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Herschel Space Observatory and Planck Satellite launched today by European Space Agency
Fixed links, sorry was called away after writing the article, and my re-read was obviously too short. I re-tested all the citation URL's and they all seem to open, and fixed the other oopsy's. SriMesh |  talk  00:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Should the title / first paragraph say today or Thursday?SriMesh | talk  00:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to Thursday from today as wikinews server changed to May 15 from May 14, even though I am still on May 14. SriMesh |  talk  00:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Generally, we avoid using "today" in place of the day of week, as that is frequently ambiguous due to time zone differences (i.e. it could be Thursday in the Americas but already Friday in Australia). <font face="Georgia">Tempodivalse <font face="Georgia">[talk]  00:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh! That makes sense and the wording of the new title also helps to not have a problem with the today/thursday etc problem. Thanks!  Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  01:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to thank me. --SVTCobra 01:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks again, you did an awesome job on the c/e keeping the mission and launch items seperate, it does read smoother.  ... SriMesh |  talk  04:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Mexico presents first population-wide genome map for a Latin country
Hello there. Me again. I received a reply on my talk page about verifying the above article and all seems to go well, but I cannot open the journal which is in English and free under open access. I can get to the abstract only. I also left a query on Tempodivalse's talk page. Do you as well have any advice about this last remaining verifying glitch concerning Sonora and Guerrero percentages in the (supplementary information's table S2, page 12), all else is verifiable. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  05:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

re:editprotected
Can these wait until you get Sysop privileges? That would be a lot less work for everyone involved. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, didn't get this until now. Well they could indeed, but I want to know what articles I'll be checking for typos as part of my personal goal to get ManUtd articles up to scratch. I day late and a dollar short, but I'm done now. Also, eventually I will have to replace Category:Manchester United with Category:Manchester United F.C.. Calebrw (talk) 01:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am sorry if I misunderstood ... but it seems you are making Tempo make a bunch of edits to the archive that you are soon going to redo. How does that make sense? --SVTCobra 01:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Per IRC. Calebrw (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, we talked on IRC .....--SVTCobra 01:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikinewsie
Check your email. Since you have trouble accessing your account, I have emailed the password I created the account with to you instead. <font face="Georgia">Tempodivalse <font face="Georgia">[talk]  00:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

re: Please see this discussion
Thanks for the heads up. I responded with this diff. Calebrw (talk) 03:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar!
Here's a little something for your excellent work. Cheers. <font face="Georgia">Tempodivalse <font face="Georgia">[talk]  01:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Find another lead!
The tank man image cannot be used on the main page! I believe this is due to not being able to display the AP copyright notice. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take your word for it. It's been changed. --SVTCobra 23:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in the image desc, but I can imagine what'll happen if Adambro spots it. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, but I fail to see the distinction between being in the article and in a synopsis for same article. I am going to check Flckr for images from the Hong Kong vigil. --SVTCobra 23:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Europeans take to the polls
What do you think of it now? I've tried to improve it a bit. I'm gonna go to bed now, but I am hopeful that it will be on the Main Page today (Sunday) and possibly there will be a seperate article tomorrow on the results. <font color="#00824A">Jolly <font color="#2A5FFF">Ω <font color="#00824A">Janner  02:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I see that this has now been fully developed and published while I was away. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Reporting an vandal
IP user vandalize my page.--KDP3 (talk) 17:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Replied at User talk:KDP3. If he continues being disruptive, please report him at WN:AAA. <font face="Georgia">Tempodivalse <font face="Georgia">[talk]  19:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

OK
OK sure, will do, just getting used to how things are done round here! Dottydotdot (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for all the edits you made to EPA declares an 'emergency' asbestos cleanup in Montana town! It looks amazing now! Thanks again! Irunongames (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect move summary
Actually, you're a bit confused about voices. "is (not) welcomed by" would be passive voice. "welcomes", with an appropriate subject (the entity actually doing the welcoming — e.g. "France welcomes") would be active voice. "to be (not) welcome" is actually neither of the twain. It's infinite, and the verb isn't even "welcome". It's "be". "welcome" is an adjective, here, not a verb. Indeed, the main verb of the sentence in fact actually was in the active voice all along. The main verb is "states"/"says". Passive voice here would be "be stated by"/"be said by", and a passive voice headline would be Burqa stated by Sarkozy to be "not welcome" in France. The rest, following that main verb as its object, is indirect speech, in the form of a non-finite clause, with, ironically, an active voice infinitive. (There is no passive voice in English for the verb "be". It would be "is been", "was been", "will be been", and suchlike, none of which generally occur in English.  The subordinate verb was in fact in the active voice all along, too.) My advice is not to pretend that headline guidelines have anything to do with grammar. ☺ They really haven't.  Most common headline guidelines run quite counter to conventional principles of grammar, or at the very least encourage telegraphese. (And when it comes to telegraphese, it's worth bearing in mind that in a newspaper that is not paper, we are not so constrained, in the way that paper newspapers are, by what will fit in a column in the given point size.) Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sarkozy states burqa to be "not welcome" in France → Sarkozy says burqa is "not welcome" in France
 * Since you seem to be a professor of grammar, please fix the mistake I made. However, Sarkozy states burqa to be "not welcome" in France is incredibly stiff, imo. I'll throw out another suggestion, Sarkozy says the Islamic burqa will "not [be] welcome" in France. But, feel free to change back to your original. I will 'sight' it. --SVTCobra 02:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not invested in one specific wording of the title. The mistake wasn't in the new title, anyway.  As I said, the verbs were active voice to start with, and you didn't actually change that.  The error was the summary itself, which isn't (easily) fixable.  ☺  Being incredibly stiff is at least a reason that cannot be faulted for being gramatically ill-founded, and would have been a better move summary. I'm not convinced that it's that stiff, though.  It's a common enough construction.  "She told the boy to be careful."  "He declared the burqa to be unwelcome."  Do you really see such sentences as incredibly stiff?  Uncle G (talk) 03:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if my edit-summary was lacking. If he had used the term "unwelcome" then perhaps, but he used "not welcome." The sentence "he stated the burqa to be not welcome" does sound stiff or awkward to me.--SVTCobra 16:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The active voice includes using present tense per WN:NC.--SVTCobra 16:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, no it doesn't. Note that those titles are telegraphese.  The full form of the main verb in the first, without the telegraphese, would be "is shot by", which is as much present tense as "shoots" is.  Past tense passive voice is "was shot by".  Uncle G (talk) 13:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Young girl from India survives falling into 50 foot deep borewell
I replied on the talk page. If you / others do not agree.... delete the article, as I do not feel the article is notable with the removal of the paragraph. Perhaps someone can word it better than I, but the background of the culture in India is what to me shows the miracle of the girl's survival.SriMesh | talk  03:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you really think that all little girls are killed in India? Or that they don't bother to rescue little girls when they are in trouble? --SVTCobra 16:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think all little girls are killed in India only the 10 million over the last 20 years that the United Nations report mentioned. The girls that the families silently suffocate or starve are probably not rescued. It is soooo good in N. America, this type of news is shocking. These actions are what several families do in India - mainly from the sounds of it for economic survival as they cannot afford the dowry marriage. Political officials are mandating new laws, providing new monetary incentives for families of female children, enacting laws against the abortions of female foetuses, enacting law against provision of dowries to turn the society traditions around so the official initiated the rescue here.  The rescue of the girl in comparison to the documentary is very extremely rewarding.  It sounds like a very desperate and tragic situation in India according to the UN.  The docuemtary mentioned that there were 4 males to every female adult, that the population shifted by that amount.  I have never been to India, myself, so have to go by what the UN says or news/documentaries.  I guess I didn't have reason to question the UN.  The politicians really are trying hard to get the problems changed regarding females, infanticide, foeticide, dowry murders where bridegroom families burn wives to make it look accidental to re-marry and obtain a better dowry. SriMesh |  talk  16:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All I can say is to wait for a report on a current case of infanticide or suspicious disappearance. Don't use unrelated news to bend Wikinews rules. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Jackson
Obviously, there's more here. What do you think? A new article on the reactions to the death? Or a more extensive reactions section in Singer and songwriter Michael Jackson dies at age 50? (I think that the potted biography in that article that is growing is a very bad idea, by the way.) There are hefty financial consequences for the organizers of the previously forthcoming tour, too. Uncle G (talk) 02:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the article and written News of Michael Jackson's death overloads Internet sites and sparks hoaxes. There's undoubtedly more to come.  Uncle G (talk) 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Brazil defeats South Africa 1-0, set for rematch in FIFA Confederations Cup Final
Cobra, can you sighted Brazil defeats South Africa 1-0, set for rematch in FIFA Confederations Cup Final?

Thanks! Vitorbraziledit talk 02:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Made. Vitorbraziledit talk 19:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Blanca forms in the Pacific
Hi. Thanks for the fixes! Just wanted to let you know that I removed the U.S. cat, as it's irrelevant to the article. Hope you don't mind. Regards, – Juliancolton  | Talk 22:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. It has been published. --SVTCobra 22:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. – Juliancolton  | Talk 22:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Something I did on Wiktionary
I think you'll like this. I created the Danish proverbs category on Wiktionary, and then made entries for 32 proverbs. :) Mike Halterman (talk) 08:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, please review Endeavour carrying Japanese Lab to Space Station
Hi, please review Endeavour carrying Japanese Lab to Space Station, this shuttle is launched 15 July. I upload in Commons the NASA Video for Main Page's of Wikinews, thanks Shooke (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 00:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * TThank you so much Shooke (talk) 00:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews interviews Mike Lebowitz, chairman of the U.S. Modern Whig Party
SVTCobra, would you mind doing a peer review for the article above? --WNewsReporter (talk) 00:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You might want to check my concerns at the collaboration page first. --SVTCobra 00:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * SVTCobra, I made the changes you requested regarding the Pew poll. It appears that the sentence regarding third party irrelevancy has already been edited out. Everything should be fine now. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really feel that you didn't make a 'best effort' in keeping the intro factual. I rewrote the first two paragraphs per the Pew survey. Please don't try to push a pov. --SVTCobra 01:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Gene amondson.jpg
I added a rationale to the above image. Is it sufficient? --William Saturn (talk) 04:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes. I tidied a bit, but yes, it is fine. --SVTCobra 01:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Recent articles with dual audio templates
Decent point, I was wondering if it was looking a tad cluttered with both of them in. For now on there shall only be one with the spoken audio taking priority. Thanks! --James Pain (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Reply on my talk page
Replied on my talk page. Computerjoe 's talk 22:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I saw it. --SVTCobra 01:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Reviewers should actually review
You're a reviewer. Why don't you actually review? Uncle G (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Water cooler/miscellaneous
 * So are you. I have reviewed and published more stories than just about anyone. And that Puerto Rico story is not timely. --SVTCobra 12:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian Socialist article
Thanks for fixing up that article. I see that I missed a few things when I published it. Gopher65talk 23:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. That's what we do on a collaborative site. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

arbcom
Thanks for the arbcom nom, I appreciate it :) Good Luck for your candidacy Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Good luck. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

re: Melbourne terror raids nab suspects
see my comments at the Talk:Melbourne terror raids nab suspects--RockerballAustralia (talk) 05:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Portals
You will actually be surprised to see that there are dozens of articles already published in Wikinews in relevance to these geographic locales, however the problem is that they cannot all be assorted into their categories as they are all archived. Ali Rana (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 * If so, that is something that ought to be fixed. You can notify administrators by adding editprotected with an explanation on the collaboration page of the article. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Ok - thanks for the tip :) Ali Rana (talk) 02:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

You got new reply
Talk:Typhoon Morakot hits Taiwan resulting in several dead and injured despite preperations --98.154.26.247 (talk) (experienced editor at Wikipedia) 01:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced section
Re removal of Obama equated to Hitler as unsourced see my reply on the comment pageKTo288 (talk) 10:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was removed for being unattributed, not unsourced. Also, it did not form a sentence. --SVTCobra 12:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes not forming a sentence would be a problem. I think its pretty much unattributable, sorry for not understanding the difference, I could name a couple of the commentators who have made the comparison, but thats not really the important bit, what I wanted to get across was the grassroots reaction, I don't know how I would attribute the banners and placards equating the reforms with Nazism, the Obama pictures with Hitler moustaches etc, I could perhaps describe it, a second hand description of something seen on a TV screen, thats pretty much the impression we have of the story here in England but that could just tbe he news editors here pointing their cameras at the lunatic fringe. I guess its a story that could have done with more than a sentence or two. Anyway how is the story being reported on your side of the Atlantic?KTo288 (talk) 13:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And I think you just pointed out another reason why it is inappropriate. It would violate WN:NPOV to just hightlight the fringe in a short. In a full article you can include the fringe, but a short doesn't have room for it. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

2 letter templates
And those 2 letter templates will still be used. That's another reason why I created the redirects this way around. This way when you use Ar you're going directly to the language Arabic language template. The Arabic template redirects to Ar, but it is normally only used for categorizing purposes. Gopher65talk 00:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. I guess I didn't understand what exactly you were doing. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your note. Not to worry, I got in the habit of writing on my Wikipedia user page and stopped. By the way, thank you for your hard work straightening out the Baitullah Mehsud article. It was done at top speed when it looked like the Wikipedia ITN team would reject the story. I think the source template fields are random order but all are required. Anyway I was happy to go to sleep that night. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does your country have a law about discrimination on the basis of sex or gender? I came from a meeting yesterday about passing a constitutional amendment in the United States. Which was a coincidence. I have it on my mind and it's about time the US passed it. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Being an American, yes, we have many such laws, though, as you know, no constitutional amendment. I am not sure that is the way to go, as it may have unforeseen consequences that I wouldn't like. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, two come to mind: the military draft and alimony. Perhaps there are others. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You'd think I would have thought of that stuff.
This I mean. Glad you did. Calebrw (talk) 08:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. --SVTCobra 23:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

My RfA
Just wanted to say thanks for participating in my RfA. I'll be sure to put the tools to good use. :) – Juliancolton  | Talk 18:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can thank me by doing more thorough reviews than the one on British Army chief General Sir Richard Dannatt stands down. --SVTCobra 20:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I tend to pay more attention to the quality of the article itself, rather than the more trivial issues, but I'll be more careful in the future. – Juliancolton  | Talk 20:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

WN:FAIR
Hi! I reverted your expansion of the Fair Use policy for now. Generally an established policy is not altered without a discussion, but in this case almost any use of a historic event image will end up not falling under Fair Use because most of those images were created by news agents. For example, the image of the second flag raising on Iwo Jima - despite being a US icon - is a copyrighted news image, and is still marketed as a news image. However, if you feel the expansion of the policy should be in place, please feel free to bring it up on the Water cooler and check it with WMF legal counsel. - <span style="font: italic 10pt/12pt cursive;"> Amgine | t 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have noted your comment and will look into it. --SVTCobra 01:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you for your help in developing my first article (the FIFA world cup draw.) I'm really glad you're on hand to fix my newbie mistakes (also, your page title is much better than the one I came up with.) Taggart.BBS (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Question regarding image use - wikipedia has an image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010_FIFA_World_Cup_logo.svg) which could be included, but I am unsure of whether the fair-use rationale can be carried over for use in this article. If it is allowed, it would make a nice addition to the article.

 * Yes, thanks for asking, we can use such images. But before you do that, I want to create an infobox which will serve as a sidebar to this and (what I hope will be many) future articles about the 2010 World Cup. --SVTCobra 03:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Times Sq
Thanks! Cocoaguy (talk) 05:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Satellites, then subs, whats next? Planetoids? Rekov (talk) 00:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


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US automakers GM and Chrysler seek more government aid

February 18, 2009

The United States auto manufacturer Chrysler, which has been badly affected by the ongoing recession, has asked the US government for an additional US$5 billion in aid on top of the four billion it has already received, saying that it plans to fire three thousand employees. At the end of last year, the auto maker had just over 54,000 employees, meaning that the layoffs will equal about six percent of its total workforce.

In addition, Chrysler will cut the Chrysler Aspen, PT Cruiser, and Durango from production.

Another automaker, General Motors (GM), announced that it seeks $16.6 billion in loans from the government, in addition to the $13.4 billion that it has already received. GM plans to lay off 47,000 employees and close five factories. GM says that it might need as much as $30 billion from the US Treasury Department, an increase over their previous estimate of $18 billion. The company has warned that it might run out of money by March if more aid was not given.

Rick Wagoner, GM's chief executive, described the firm's plan as "comprehensive, responsive, achievable, and flexible". "We have a lot of work in front of us, but I am confident it will result in a profitable General Motors," he said, adding that "today's plan is significantly more aggressive because it has to be." GM says that it could be profitable in two years' time, and might be able to repay all its loans by 2017.

A third US car manufacturer, Ford Motor Company, has said that it can make it through this year without any government aid.

The US Treasury Department will review the car makers' survival plans for several weeks before a decision is made on whether or not to extend the loans. That decision is due by the end of next month.


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Venezuelan referendum ends presidential term limits

February 18, 2009 A referendum held Sunday in Venezuela, has resulted in a change to the Constitution of Venezuela. The change ends term limits for elected officials including the President of Venezuela.

The official results showed 6,319,636 in favor with 5,198,006 opposed, yielding a 54.8% to 45.1% balance. 30.1% of the approximately 17 million voters abstained. President Hugo Chávez will now be allowed to run for re-election in 2012. A similar referendum in 2007 was narrowly defeated.

"The doors of the future are wide open," President Chávez declared from the balcony of the Miraflores Palace after the results were announced. "In 2012 there will be presidential elections, and unless God decides otherwise, unless the people decide otherwise, this soldier is already a candidate."

Ahead of the vote, opposition leader, Leopoldo López, told BBC News: "In 10 years we have had 15 elections, 15, and this has been the most unequal, the most abusive campaign of all. So that's why you are seeing more propaganda, more campaigning, more advertisement for the 'yes' vote."

However, a United States Department of State spokesperson said that the election was a "fully democratic" process despite troubling reports of intimidation of the opposition.


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we must educate these people that there is a better world out there. they are presuaded by religious fanatics with thier own agendas. drug money power and some soert of convoluted idea that they will get a place in heaven if they kill children in the great cause. man i have had second thoughts about killing cochroaces but these guys nah. roaches have a place these people are just a plaque on earth.

Just like winning the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.192.1 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


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Israel seizes West Bank land

February 20, 2009

Israel has seized 425 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank in order to build 2,500 new settlement homes according to Israeli officials. This comes after United States Special Envoy George Mitchell asked for a freeze on settlement expansion which is deemed illegal under international law.

The seized land will be integrated into the Israeli city of Efrat, a city which is to house 30,000 people according to the mayor of Efrat.

Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni has stated that in order to make peace, settlement expansion must stop and furthermore Israeli settlers should leave lands already settled in. Livni's party, Kadima, beat the right wing Likud party in elections last week by one parliament seat, not enough to form the required majority. Likud party leader Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that he firmly supports settlement expansion and has said that peace talks with Palestinians are a waste of time.

Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian president in the West Bank, has previously stated that there will be no negotiations as long as settlement expansion continues. "We oppose settlement activity in principle, and if the settlement activity doesn't stop, any meetings (with the Israelis) will be worthless," Abbas said Monday.

Israeli human rights group Yesh Din has stated that these settlements are a violation of international law, saying that the occupying power is supposed to work for the benefit of the people being occupied. The United Nations agrees saying that the settlements are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international law.

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Viva La Dictatorship! --KDP3 (talk) 10:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Brittish media height of hypocrisy.
Personally I find the Brittish media hilarious on the subject of Chavez. They talk about "President for life" when any idiot can see that he is nothing of the sort; that is (however fair or not you consider those) he does face elections regularly. And in the "look at a mirror" department; exactly how often does the Queen have to face re-election pressures? -- Cimon Avaro (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Queen doesn't run the country. --SVTCobra 15:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That what Chavez is aiming for and he has spoken to be President for 50 years.--66.229.21.217 19:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but the fact remains that the reelections are all a joke. He's going to win every time, because the elections are always set up in his favor, just like what happened in Russia last year.--72.209.8.195 02:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

there goes all hope for this nation.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.93.154.151 (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Venezuelan democracy reaffirmed by referendum
I find it amazing that the propaganda put forth by the US and British governments regarding Venezuela is still being swallowed by the majority of people. The fact is, Chavez has promoted the cleanest elections  in the hemisphere, even more fair and controversy free than the US elections during the past decade. Ask yourself this question: How many governments in the world (or, limit it to 'Western' nations) have term limits on their nation's leaders? How many do not?

Chavez has followed election laws and procedures throughout his tenure. The referendum to the people of Venezuela was voted upon by the people and passed. The problem that his detractors have is his increased Venezuela's take of the profits of the oil industry in his country, from 15% to 35%, to benefit the poorest people of Venezuela. Chavez's friendly relations with Cuba and other nations that the US government is dead-set against just add to the vilification of Chavez.

The Venezuelan business community and wealthy have tried, with help from the US government, to topple Chavez through coup and election. They have failed - greed has failed - to win the day.

When examining foreign leaders that our (US) government has marked as 'evil', 'the enemy', 'anti-American', look behind the curtain to see who is manipulating the public and why. Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction'. Chavez has taken from the wealthiest oil corporations to give the Venezuelan commons back to the people of his country. That is the 'evil' he has committed.

Would that we in the US had more politicians of his honesty and good works. The largest fault that I can find concerning Chavez is his extremely long-winded speeches and his obvious self-love. One is a political fault, the other an all too human fault. -BlueShaman (talk) March 3, 2009

 * Hey, the US has Obama now, so we are almost as left as Venezuela now. --SVTCobra 20:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

 * "Cleanest elections in the hemisphere." You said that as a joke, right? I know you were deliberately trying to insult the election process in the US. Or do you really believe this? I bet people in Canada, Chile, Argentina and a list of other nations would beg to differ.--SVTCobra 23:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


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Endangered Luzon Buttonquail photographed alive by Philippines documentary

February 22, 2009 According to, a rare Philippines feared to have gone extinct was recently documented alive by a cameraman inadvertently filming a local market, right before it was sold and headed for the cooking pot. Scientists had suspected the species—listed as "data deficient" on the —was extinct.

Last month, snared and successfully caught the  (Turnix worcesteri or Worcester's buttonquail) in Dalton Pass, a cold and wind-swept bird passageway in the, in , located between  and  mountain ranges, in Northern.

The rare species, previously known to birders only through drawings based on dead museum specimens collected several decades ago, was identified in a documentary filmed in the Philippines called Bye-Bye Birdie.

British and WBCP member Desmond Allen was watching a January 26  of  a documentary, Bye-Bye Birdie, when he recognized the bird in a  of the  that lasted less than a second. Allen created a, which was photographed by their birder-companion, Arnel Telesforo, also a WBCP member, in Nueva Vizcaya's poultry market, before it was cooked and eaten.

, a Philippine news and public affairs television show aired by, had incorporated Telesforo's photographs and video footage of the live bird in the documentary, that was created by the TV crew led by Mr Howie Severino. The Philippine Network had not realized what they filmed until Allen had informed the crew of interesting discovery.

Mr Severino and the crew were at that time, in Dalton Pass to film "akik", the traditional practice of trapping wild birds with nets by first attracting them with bright lights on moonless nights. "I'm shocked. I don't know of any other photos of this. No bird watchers have ever given convincing reports that they have seen it at all... This is an exciting discovery," said Allen.

The Luzon Buttonquail was only known through an illustration in the authoritative book by Robert S. Kennedy, et al, A Guide to the Birds of the Philippines. This birders "bible" includes a drawing based on the skins of dead specimens collected a century ago, whereas the otherwise comprehensive of the  does not contain a single image of the Worcester's Buttonquail.

“With the photograph and the promise of more sightings in the wild, we can see the living bill, the eye color, the feathers, rather than just the mushed-up museum skin,” exclaimed Allen, who has been birdwatching for fifty years, fifteen in the Philippines, and has an extensive collection of bird calls on his ipod. He has also spotted the, another rare bird which he has not seen in the Philippines.

“We are ecstatic that this rarely seen species was photographed by accident. It may be the only photo of this poorly known bird. But I also feel sad that the locals do not value the around them and that this bird was sold for only P10 and headed for the cooking pot,” Wild Bird Club of the Philippines (WBCP) president Mike Lu said. “Much more has to be done in creating conservation awareness and local consciousness about our unique threatened bird fauna. This should be an easy task for the local governments assisted by the. What if this was the last of its species?” Lu added.

“This is a very important finding. Once you don’t see a bird species in a generation, you start to wonder if it’s extinct, and for this bird species we simply do not know its status at all," said Arne Jensen, a Danish ornithologist and biodiversity expert, and WBCP Records Committee head.

According to the WBCP, the Worcester’s buttonquail was first described based on specimens bought in Quinta Market in, in 1902, and was named after Dean Conant Worcester.

Since then just a few single specimens have been photographed and filmed from Nueva Vizcaya and, and lately, in 2007, from by the  in Chicago, Illinois.

, D.Sc., F.R.G.S. was an American, public official, and authority on the Philippines, born at , Vermont, and educated at the (A.B., 1889).

From 1899 to 1901 he was a member of the United States ; thenceforth until 1913 he served as secretary of the interior for the. In 1910, he founded the, which has become the hospital for the poor and the sick.

In October, 2004, at the request of Mr Moises Butic, CENR Officer, Mr Jon Hornbuckle, of Grove Road,, has conducted a short investigation into  in ,  Mount Polis,  and Dalton Pass, in Nueva Vizcaya.

"Prices ranged from 100 for a  to 300 pesos for a . Other species that are caught from time to time include  and ; on one occasion, around 50 of the latter were trapped! All other trapped birds are eaten," said Hornbuckle. "The main trapping season is November to February. Birds are caught at the lights using type nets. Quails and Buttonquails were more often shot in the fields at this time, rather than caught, and occasionally included the rare Luzon (Worcester’s) Buttonquail, which is only known from dead specimens, and is a threatened bird species reported from Dalton Pass," he added.

In August, 1929, Richard C. McGregor and Leon L. Gardner of the compiled a book entitled Philippine Bird Traps. The authors described the Luzon Buttonquail as "very rare," having only encountered it twice, once in August and once in September.

"They are caught with a scoop net from the back of a . Filipino hunters snared them, baiting with branches of artificial red peppers made of ," wrote McGregor and Leon L. Gardner. "The various ingenious and effectual devices used by Filipinos for bird-trapping include [the] 'Teepee Trap' which consists of a conical tepee, woven of split and  about 3 feet high and 3 feet across at the base, with a fairly narrow entrance. 'Spring ' were also used, where a slip noose fastened to a strongly bent bamboo or other elastic branch, which is released by a trigger, which is usually the perch of the trap," their book explained.

A passage from the bird-trap book, which explains why had eaten these endangered bird species, goes as follows:

A global review of threatened species by the (IUCN) indicates drastic decline of animal and plant life. This includes a quarter of all, one out of eight birds, one out of three and 70 percent of plants.

The report,, is published by IUCN every year. Additionally, a global assessment of the health of the world's species is released once in four years. The data is compiled by 1,700 experts from 130 countries. The key findings of the report were announced at the World Conservation Congress held in Barcelona, Spain.

The survey includes 44,838 species of wild and, out of which 16,928 species are threatened with extinction. Among the threatened, 3,246 are tagged critically endangered, the highest category of threat. Another 4,770 species are endangered and 8,912 vulnerable to extinction.

Environmental scientists say they have concrete evidence that the planet is undergoing the "largest mass extinction in 65 million years". Leading environmental scientist Professor Norman Myers says the Earth is experiencing its "Sixth Extinction."

Scientists forecast that up to five million species will be lost this century. "We are well into the opening phase of a mass extinction of species. There are about 10 million species on earth. If we carry on as we are, we could lose half of all those 10 million species," Myers said.

Scientists are warning that by the end of this century, the planet could lose up to half its species, and that these extinctions will alter not only biological diversity but also the evolutionary processes itself. They state that human activities have brought our planet to the point of biotic crisis.

In 1993, Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson estimated that the planet is losing 30,000 species per year - around three species per hour. Some biologists have begun to feel that the biodiversity crisis dubbed the "Sixth Extinction" is even more severe, and more imminent, than Wilson had expected.

The Luzon Buttonquail (Turnix worcesteri) is a species of bird in the family. It is to the island of  in the Philippines, where it is known from just six localities thereof. Its natural habitat is subtropical or tropical high-altitude grassland, in the highlands of the, although records are from 150-1,250 m, and the possibility that it frequents forested (non-grassland) habitats cannot be discounted.

The or hemipodes are a small family of  birds which resemble, but are unrelated to, the true. They inhabit warm grasslands in Asia, Africa, and Australia. They are assumed to be, and breed somewhere in northern Luzon in April-June and that at least some birds disperse southwards in the period July-March.

These Turnicidae are small, drab, running birds, which avoid flying. The female is the more brightly coloured of the sexes, and initiates courtship. Unusually, the buttonquails are, with the females circulating among several males and expelling rival females from her territory. Both sexes cooperate in building a nest in the earth, but only the male the eggs and tends the young.

Called "Pugo" by natives, these birds inhabit rice paddies and scrub lands near farm areas because of the abundance of seeds and insects that they feed on regularly. These birds are characterized by their black heads with white spots, a brown or fawn colored body and yellow legs on males and the females are brown with white and black spots.

These birds are very secretive, choosing to make small path ways through the rice fields, which unfortunately leads to their deaths as well, they are hunted by children and young men by means of setting spring traps along their usual path ways.

Buttonquails are a notoriously and unobtrusive family of birds, and the species could conceivably occur in reasonable numbers somewhere. They are included in the (as evaluated by  IUCN Red List of ). They are also considered as by IUCN and BirdLife International, since these species is judged to have a ten percent chance of going extinct in the next one hundred years.


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I CREATED this interesting news article on almost extinct Luzon Buttonquail. I am Philippines Judge Florentino Floro, having registered with Wikinews on December 3, 2008, and is a Editor as of January 12, 2009.
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Rare Philippines quail spotted - on way to cooking pot
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 * Bird Suspected to Be Extinct Photographed for First Time ... Then Eaten

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Comments:Obama signs $787 billion stimulus package

I think that this bill will help this will be a very giant moment in history!

This bill, from what I read, sounds like the president is doing exactly what he said he will do... which is another huge handout to those who should be working. Its too bad that as Americans we are lacking the ambition that the rest of the world has attained. If we were leaders in industry we would not be looking for a hand out... Thats what lazy people look for.. a hand out! This cuts the HARD WORKING AMERICANS throat! Come on American, aren't we the land of the Free and home of the Brave? Sounds more like land of the lazy and home for the hand outs! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.100.150 (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Those who should be 'working' are these so-called captains of industry and coke-snorting Wall Street gamblers who got the global economy into this mess; working at McDonalds, or on a litter patrol picking up discarded fast food wrappers. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Do I think that the stimulus package will help the economy? Perhaps in the short term, but I wonder about the "full faith and credit of the U.S. government" upon which the value of our fiat currency rests when that selfsame government keeps heaping on the debt while the economy is in decline. I understand the Keynesian theory behind these stimulus measures, but I think it has hidden, unacknowledged risks. The interim benefit may not be worth the grave risk of a currency crisis. Also, from the standpoint of political philosophy, I'm somewhat perturbed by the fact that this is essentially spending for the sake of spending. Government spending should be for some objective that is not contained in itself. 129.110.242.8 22:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

No, its going to hold me, my children, and my children's children hostage to the Federal Reserve for a length of time that has no foreseeable end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.146.48.5 (talk) 15:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

We will see
I am a bit sceptic about this bill. I agree with the idea of tax cuts and building an infrastructure. But the social package is undoubtly something Americans will pay for in future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.220.124.198 (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

worthless. wreckless. this is the not the beginning of the end, merely the end of the beginning. this bill will only exacerbate the situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.97.218.96 (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

recovery package
I am sad to think so many people are blindsided about this issue. I agree that it'll help shortterm. People need money beyond tomorrow. I don't think it'll work even 50%. Big government takeover is all it is. a concerned citizen, Jeanette —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.188.232.19 (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it will not work.
It didn't work for Bush 2 or FDR, why should it work now? Only the free market can help us, but the government's interference through programs such as the Federal Reserve just makes it worse.

I surely think it will help! I mean...66% of the money will be going to tax cuts,health,AND education.Not only will it improve the ecomony,it will help the whole country.

$787 billion divided by up to 3.5 million jobs saved/created equals at least $224,857.14 per job saved/created. That is a lot more than the average annual wages. If exactly the same amount of money had been subtracted from taxes collected - not in the form of tax rebates, but in the form of lower rates - then tens of millions of jobs would have been helped. David Nemati (talk)

Stimulus Bill
It will work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.216.241 (talk) 20:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:Large chimpanzee shot and killed by police in US after it attacks woman, officers

No matter how many years the animal has lived with these people and was believed to be domesticated, it honestly doesn't matter. The thing is still a wild animal with instincts imprinted in its brain from the generations before it. It's very sad but people have to draw a line with certain types of pets to keep in your household or around family members. 198.16.3.247 J.R.

This could all have been avoided if the woman hadn't kept a LARGE 200-POUND CHIMPANZEE in her HOUSE... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.63.178.1 (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

i think that these owners of this retarted chimpanze should become more responsible! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.29.167 (talk) 23:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

And the moral is "You don't mess with wild animals"
Yes, the chimpanzee was a pet, but these animals—whether pets or fresh from the wild—retain their instincts; plus, a 140-pounds chimp can easily handle four fit men, never mind a 200-pound chimp vs. a weak woman. I feel sorry for the woman and my prayers go to her and her loved ones. --71.190.95.198 04:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Chimps belong with other chimps in the wild. Nowhere else.

Poor chimp killed the wrong woman. --boo (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


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Court rejects Polanski bid to have child sex charges dismissed

February 19, 2009

Judge Peter Espinoza has today rejected a motion by lawyers for French film director to have charges of unlawful sex with a child dismissed.

In 1977, Polanski was arrested charged with sodomy, sexual assault and rape of a 13-year-old girl at 's house in California, United States.

Polanski agreed to plead guilty to unlawful sex with a child, often called, in exchange for having the more serious charges dropped.

However, in 1978, before his sentencing, Polanski fled the United States. He has since been a fugitive and faces arrest if he sets foot on US soil. France refuses to extradite him.

Polanski's lawyers argued that there were irregularities and misconduct in the original handling of the case. While the Judge agreed, he rejected the notion that the charges should be dismissed on the grounds that Polanski cannot challenge the ruling while on the run as a fugitive.


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Colombian military spy plane crashes

February 18, 2009 According to media reports, a Colombian air force AC-47 (registration FAC1670) spy plane carrying five people has crashed near the Colombian city of La Dorada, in the department of Caldas.

All on board the plane are believed to have been killed, according to Colombia Reports. Among the dead, according to Monsters and Critics, are two technicians, a major and two second lieutenants. ABS-CBN News reports that the dead included three high ranking officials and two lower ranking ones.

Jorge Ballesteros, a Colombian air force official, says that the plane took off from an air force base in the city of Puerto Salgar and was on an exercise mission when it crashed. He also states that although it was on a training exercise, the plane was carrying bombs and machine guns.

A military team has been dispatched to the area to investigate the incident, but they have already put the blame on mechanical failure. Ballestero noted that investigators have ruled out a rebel attack and terrorism as possible causes.

AC-47's have been used by the Colombian air force for nearly 20 years, most of which were donated from the United States. They were provided to the country in an attempt to fight the illegal drug market and to defend citizens and the military against rebel attacks. They are also used to gather intelligence and come equipped with a state-of-the-art communications system, radar and infrared detection systems.

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Talk:US automakers GM and Chrysler seek more government aid

Chrysler Aspen, NOT Dodge Aspen
Like the subject line says, the Chrysler Aspen (the Big SUV) is going to be discontinued. The Dodge Aspen was discontinued in 1980. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.99.201 (talk) 01:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Buffalo, New York plane crash may have resulted from pilot error

February 18, 2009

The investigation into Continental Connection Flight 3407, which crashed near Buffalo, New York last week, suggests that the pilot of the turboprop commuter airliner may have put the aircraft into its plunge.

A source close to the investigation says that information from the flight data recorder on board the aeroplane indicated that the pilot's control column, the device which is used to steer the aircraft, was pulled upward abruptly, thereby causing the nose of the aeroplane to pitch up.

The sudden pitch-up movement happened soon after the flight crew received a warning in the cockpit that the aircraft was about to stall. In aviation, a stall is when the air no longer flows over the wings of an aeroplane, and the aircraft can no longer keep the lift necessary to keep it airborne, causing it to fall.

The normal manoeuvre to recover from a stall for wing icing is to apply full power to the engines and push the nose down. For a tail stall recovery, the opposite procedure is used: the nose should be pulled up and engine power reduced. In this instance, the pilot seems to have pulled the nose upward, but also increased the engine throttles to their full setting.

After the aeroplane pulled up abruptly, it then pitched down at an angle of 31 degrees, rolling left and right, partially upside-down. This sort of stall is known as an aggravated stall, and it can be very difficult to return the aeroplane to normal flight from one. In this case, the pilot had less than two thousand feet to do so before the aircraft crashed into the ground.

The pilot's training has now been put into question, and it was discovered that the captain, Marvin Renslow, aged 47, had logged only 110 hours in this particular aircraft, though he had thousands of hours in similar aircraft. Experts say his experience should have adequately prepared him.

A spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, Keith Holloway, said that it is currently too early to definitively say what caused the crash. "We have not concluded anything," he said.

Continental Connection Flight 3407 crashed into a house in Clarence Center, a suburb of Buffalo on February 12 in icy weather, killing all 49 people on board the aeroplane and one person on the ground.


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Only and I say Only if they are held accountable.....get the unions under control and do their part...and get these high priced top managementteams out of there.....Obviously they are not capable of doing the job they are making these big bucks and recieveing these large bonuses for

no more our tax money for these failed companies... it is sad that people will lose their jobs but let's not waste good money on failed company.

No. Governments should be chiefly concerned with maintaining the rights of their citizens. If we analyze this situation in terms of rights, it's seen not to be a difficult dilemma at all. Nobody has a right to be employed by GM or Chrysler. GM and Chrysler do not have a positive right to make money or remain solvent, only a contingent right to be able to pursue profit and stability within the law. On the other hand, citizens do have a right not to have their tax money allocated to non-public purposes. GM and Chrysler are not public entities, and they are not being contracted to provide a public good, therefore any allocation of money to them by the government is per-se illegitimate. This is pure theft, graft and abuse of power. 129.110.242.8 20:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The High Price of Rampant Capitalism
We live in a society that is ruthlessly capitalistic, and as long is doesn't directly affect you or I, that's ok. Well, now it affects you and I. Perhaps in the complete s*** storm that will most probably come to fruition in the next few years, we will see more people turning to the alternatives of every man for himself capitalism. For many reasons, I say no, these institutions should not be bailed out. They are private institutions that have obviously been mismanaged. They may go out of business. But guess what? In the land of the free, hard working people's businesses go under every day. I think it's time that the country sees the price of greed firsthand. Times will be hard, but we have no one but ourselves to blame, for letting an unfair system run rampant for far too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.55.184 (talk) 20:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't quite understand your comment. The solution you advocate seems quite capitalistic, so your concomitant invective against capitalism is incongruous. The capitalist solution is to allow the market to decide the fate of these companies, which is exactly the result that non-intervention will produce. The fact that hard-working people's businesses go under is perhaps unfortunate, but I don't see how these hard-working people can even have an opportunity to create businesses, whatever their fate, without capitalism. 129.110.242.8 22:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't be bailed out again. If a company can't be profitable by itself, then it should go out of business. That's how capitalism works, and it's how the fittest companies thrive and the lethargic beasts that are Chrysler and GM go out of business.

And besides, how come Ford can survive without government loans but not Chrysler and GM? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.49.22 (talk) 22:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ford isn't fairing too well either. What needs to happen is that people need to be encouraged to spend their money and not be so damn frugal. Spending will increase the money in flow and less money will be printed meaning inflation slowly but surely goes down. It is our frugalness that has actually caused these companies to start going down and not just bad management. I know we do not have that much money. But those who do have enough money need to get off their high horses and start understanding that they are going to have to spend money. When they start spending money. We get money. We spend money the companies get money. Finally the people on When the companies get money they hire people so that we can get more money to spend and last the people on their high horses get money and they continue the cycle. It's cycle that has been broken because of frugalness. These companies SHOULD get another bailout. But these companies also should not close down any factories. They are just digging the economic hole bigger and bigger the more they layoff people and I don't think any of us get it that this is of our own creation. We don't want to work. We don't want to spend. We go down a never ending spiral. It's not too late to become socialists. 72.224.127.117 23:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Your solution is one of the problems that caused this economic crisis: over-consumption of unneeded goods. The economy relies too much on money spending to distribute resources, and the industry has been concentrating on creating needs rather than cutting expenses. Instead of reducing the use of the raw material, everyone tries to waste them as fast as possible to achieve an apparent immediate prosperity. In my opinion these car manufacturers have to be saved from bankruptcy int order to protect the workers, but they shall adapt their production as not to constantly overproduce and then try to persuade people into buying them. -Unicode (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree with that 128.114 fellow. Fephisto (talk) 12:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

US auto industry
The problem with GM, Chrysler and US Ford is structural. For many years now these companies are in crisis. But instead of doing something about it, they opted to rely on subsidies and "subsidies" from the US government and from the pockets of many rich families in the US. They continued to produce completely inadeqaute, out-of-date products (cars), that are no match to european and asian cars. It's only natural that this would occur, especially after the arrival of this Great Depression, that makes those subsidies and "subsidies" disappear way too fast... One thing that make my argument credible is the british Ford. How many americans know that Ford has its european division? Do they know that the cars that Ford sells in Europe are VERY different from those they buy in the US? Are they also aware that british Ford isn't suffering from the problems that plagues its american counterpart? I guess not. So, why is european Ford doing well, while its american counterpart is doing so poorly? The answer is adequate products. There is some sort of autism in the US car industry that I can't seem to understand. In an age, where people want smaller, economical cars, the US car industry is so stubborn, to the point of releasing very recycled models, full of 1970's technology, with very, but very, poor mileage. The europeans with their 21st century diesel engine technology are kicking asses Made In USA... I just hope that, when electric and hydrogen powered cars arrive, things change for the better. But so far, the US auto industry shows to have no interest in changing, into putting an effort. They show that they want it easy and fast. This way, they will all file for bankruptcy in no time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.167.1 (talk) 11:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

It is simple economics. If you can't balance your costs with your income; you aren't a successful business. People are obviously not interested in buying those companys vehicles. Foreign cars are ahead of the race when it comes to fuel efficiency and thats what people are looking for these days. They needed to have changed thier business plans long ago in order to have avoided this situation. The government has been handing them money for the past decade. Its time we said goodbye to companys that depend on the goodwill of the nation.

If they do get a bailout, where will that end. The oil industry isn't doing so hot these days. Are they going to get a bailout too? The forestry industry has been doing terrible for the past 15 years and they haven't seen a cent. Why now? Why this particular industry?

Trim the fat. Its like burning a wart. The faster its over with, the less it hurts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.200.27.250 (talk) 15:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

American cars suck
I have visited the US on a couple of occasions, and what you see in showroom forecourts is a joke - and probably a gas-guzzling joke at that. The country's politicians have been bought by the auto industry and, as a result, the simpering sycophants in Washington never had the balls to tax gasoline appropriately. A realistic tax would have meant that the revenue actually required to maintain the roads network would have been raised, and the American public would have brought pressure to bear on manufacturers to provide more fuel economic models. Instead we've had politicians saying, "please make more fuel efficient vehicles". The industry response is, "here's a cheerleader who can suck golfballs through a hosepipe - forget the legislation". Frankly, this rent-a-representative bullshit is what caused the problem.

Now these dinosaurs are begging for money because of craptacular business decisions. Not just from the American government, but from European countries where they have subsidiaries. These subsidiaries, such as Saab, are, and for the most part remain, profitable business units. Obviously if the Swedish government heeds this begging for bailout money they won't see it spent in their country, it will help the American divisions. It would better serve their interests to let the American parent company fail, then pick up the Saab business unit at a fire-sale price and keep it in public ownership. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Just to let you know, that Saab has been without ANY profit for many years, and that the swedish government, because of that, refused to give the company a bailout. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.118.140 (talk) 08:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Another update... SAAB Auto is going independent. No more GM.

This is very sad
I feel sorry for the US automakers, because their cars are just as good as those made by the Japanese, but there's this stupid ideology in American that people have to go with the flow - simply sheep! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.95.198 (talk) 04:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


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Helicopter ditches in the North Sea; all 18 on board rescued

February 18, 2009

A British helicopter with eighteen people on board ditched in the water while approaching an oil installation in the North Sea on Wednesday. According to Her Majesty's Coastguard, everyone on board the aircraft survived the crash, and have been picked up by two life-boats.

The helicopter, a Super Puma registered (G-REDU) to Bond Offshore Helicopters, crashed about 125 miles miles east of the Scottish city of Aberdeen. A Nimrod jet from the RAF Kinloss, a Sea King helicopter from RAF Lossiemouth, and several choppers from nearby oil platforms searched the area after the alarm was raised at 18.40 GMT. The search effort, however, was hampered by limited visibility and low clouds in the area.

Dave Webster, a squadron leader with the Royal Air Force, said that this type of accident is a very rare occurrence.

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Politicians begin campaigns for Flint, Michigan replacement mayor

March 4, 2009

Several candidates have announced their intent to run in the special Flint, Michigan mayoral primary election scheduled for May 5, 2009. The primary election was called to fill the remainder of resigning Mayor Don Williamson's term ending in 2011. The two candidates with the most votes will face off in the August special general election. Each candidate will need to collect at least 900 signatures of registered Flint electors in twenty day to qualify for the May 5, 2009 ballot. On the first day petitions were available, the City Clerk's office handed out petitions in the morning to Aron Gerics, Dayne Walling, Sheldon Neeley and Brenda Clack. Gregory Eason, Waseem (Sam) Fakhoury, Theodore P. Jankowski, Eric Mays, Devona Watson and Darryl Buchanan picked up petitions later in the day. Stephanie Robb Martin, a Flint Board of Education Trustee was one of eight more potential candidates that pick up petitions since then.

Darryl Buchanan, former City Administrator and "Deputy Mayor", announced he is the running for the office of Mayor on Tuesday February 17. Williamson just replaced Buchanan as City Administrator on February 4, keeping him from succeeding Williamson as Temporary Mayor upon his resignation. Buchanan served as the city ombudsman and councilor before becoming city administrator. He believes he has good relations with the city council and was critical of Williamson's combative relations with the council.

Buchanan supporters believe that Buchanan has the experience for the position of mayor. While some residents and a political analyst, Bill Ballenger, editor of Inside Michigan Politics, believes that his role in Williamson's administration and their friendship hurts his candidacy. Sheldon Neeley, current city councilman for Ward 6, announced his candidacy. Neely stated he will open three offices last week. Already, Sheldon Neeley has returned his petitions Thursday with 1,100 signatures to the City Clerk's office.

Dayne Walling, who narrowly lost to Don Williamson in the 2007 general election, previously announced that he was running if the recall election against Williamson was successful. On Thursday, Walling officially announced he was running at a "Working for Change" rally at the YMCA.

Genesee County Commissioner Brenda Clack served as Michigan 34th District State Representative from 2002 to 2008 switching positions with former Flint Mayor Woodrow Stanley.

Aron Gerics, a Mott Community College student and a Mott's Workforce Development Program program assistant, intends to run for mayor. As a write-in candidate for the 2008 49th District House seat election, Gerics lost to Lee Gonzales, D-Flint Twp, the incumbent.

Gregory Eason is a former CEO for Jobs Central Inc. and a Williamson critic. Eric Mays is a political activist. Devona Watson is retiree and long time resident. Theodore P. Jankowski served in the Marines and produces a show for public access television.

City Administrator and Temporary Mayor Michael Brown stated that he will not run as he wants to focus on city business, and is slated to deliver the annual state-of-the-city address.

"He's not just keeping the seat warm until someone else takes over," Brown's communications director Bob Campbell said. "There are some difficult decisions ahead, most notably in the area of the city's finances. He's all about the revival and renewal of the city of Flint."

Additional public officials are considering entering the race including former County Commissioner Raynetta Speed and Councilman Scott Kincaid. State senator John Gleason D-Flushing is pondering a moving into the city to run.

On Tuesday, March 3, Darryl Buchanan, Brenda Clack and Gregory Eason all turned in their completed nominations to the city clerk's office.