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Economics take over Canadian leaders' talking points

September 16, 2008

With Bay Street in turmoil in sympathy with Wall Street, Canadian party leaders traded slurs over the slowing economy and measures to secure it against the slump happening south of the border.

"We have the worst economy in the G8, our labour productivity has fallen for nine months straight and over the summer in July we saw the largest single month of jobs losses in 17 years," Stéphane Dion said as the Liberal leader worked through St. John's, N.L. Dion is hoping to sweep Newfoundland and Labrador's 7 seats, capitalizing on N.L. Premier Danny Williams's feud with the federal Conservatives over broken promises made by Stephen Harper in the Atlantic Accord.

Campaigning in Nova Scotia, New Democratic Party's Jack Layton lashed the Conservatives for failing to protect consumers. "Of course with Mr. Harper, we don't see any willingness to really address the need to stand on behalf of Canadian consumers. He won't even support the notion of the monitoring of gas prices, let alone the kinds of initiatives that really should be taken here in Canada to make sure that the consumers of investment products are being protected."

Harper was working the Liberal-held riding of Ottawa-Vanier, where he announced a program to allow entrepreneur's to extend their maternal leave up to 6 months using the Employment Insurance program with an estimated cost of $147 million. He said the country wasn't ready for "wild experiments", but should adopt a cautious approach to the economy in uncertain times.

"Canada has been brought to the brink of a deficit for the first time in over a decade," Elizabeth May of the Greens said in a press release on their website on Monday. “Stephen Harper’s leadership deficit is driving us into economic deficit and his failure to manage the economy in uncertain times must not be allowed to continue.”

The parties also threw out economic planks for their platforms: to support the fishermen of N.L as well as the environment, Dion announced a $250 million dollar fund to help fishermen upgrade their equipment with "green" technology as well as $70 million to retire licenses. The Greens suggested their financial plan, which includes embracing a low-carbon economy, would improve Canada's economic outlook. The NDP promised $1 billion over 5 years for more nurses and doctors.

The backdrop to all these economic statements was a 515 point drop on the TSX as markets reacted to the bankruptcy filing of 158 year old financial firm Lehman Brothers, as well as a surprising drop in the Canadian dollar relative to the US dollar which itself lost ground against the Euro and other world currencies. Even as the dollar dropped, so did the price of oil futures and gold, partially explaining the Canadian dollar's weakness.


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Comments:Noel Edmonds, British TV presenter, starts boycott of TV license fee in UK

I heartily agree with Noel Edmonds, we should also stop all of these freebie trips by the top reporters and their retinue of support going to far off places at the license payers expense, Travelling first class and living in first class hotels, and reporting on things (such as the Zimbabwe elections, which could have been done over a Sat phone with The people already in situ) The massive coverage of the Olympics which involved thousands of BBC employees being in Beijing, a lot of whom know nothing about sport, but were there for absolutely no other reason other than a holiday. If the BBC makes a loss then it is passed on to us, the LicensePayers, and the license fee is just increased. If the BBC has to fund itself and produce a profit as any other commercial station has to, then there will be a lot more incentive to both work and to cut costs.

Mr Ken Hislop Pensioner Harrogate
 * Good grief! You must be a rabid Conservative to suggest a profit-seeking BBC. That would kill the organisation and flush quality down the toilet in the rush to bombard people with advertising and other dreck. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, someone doesn't quite support extreme socialism and government intervention in everything so they must be a rabid conservative.

 * Surely Brian the license fee is bad for the poor and a commercial BBC would mean equality, so one could say that a socialist should endorse a commercial BBC. Anonymous101talk 18:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen commercial TV, and I've seen that benefits are supposed to factor in the cost of the license. Just like I oppose Wikinews being beholden to advertisers, I oppose the same for the BBC. The lack of product placements and other 'revenue generating' promotional material keeps them free and independent. The BBC provides a public service, heaven forbid they couldn't report on something because a company had sank x million in advertising into them. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

TV license Fee
wether justified or not, noel is in the fortunate position of being able to pay the Fee or the fine for not paying the Fee. I, however am not, Illness forces me to live on £43.00 a week benefits, on such an income I am not required to pay income tax yet the BBC is taking me to court for non payment of what is effectively a %20 TV Tax. Entertain educate and extort, they wont even take the TV in lieu! —Preceding comment added by Citizen carrot (talk • contribs) 17:09, 16 September 2008

Threats & harassment
Although he's one of the reasons why my Dad got rid of his telly, Edmunds is absolutely right. With no television, these officials came round to our door year after year. One time, the little hitler got a good talking to from my Dad, because he thought it was normal to bang on the window, rather than knock on the door, like a normally socially adjusted person would. It took ten years for them to stop sending letters. And then he made the mistake of turning 75... This time, he got a barrage of letters explaining how his life would be so much better if he got a free telly licence. He sent letters back saying he didn't want one. So yes: "threats and harassment" is about right. --Rfsmit (talk) 21:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews:Briefs/September 16, 2008

= Wikinews News in Brief 2008-09-16 15:30 UTC =

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The time is 15:30 UTC, this is the Audio Wikinews Brief for Tuesday, September 16, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here is today's current stories.

Zimbabwean rivals sign power sharing deal
Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe and opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai today signed a power sharing deal in the county's capital of Harare. Speaking to crowds of people celebrating the deal, Tsvangirai said that the unity government would let businesses flourish so that people can work and provide for their families with pride He also said that he signed the agreement because he believe it represented the best opportunity for Zimbabweans to build a peaceful and prosperous democratic live. Mugabe also spoke after the deal, asking for everybody to be allies. He wants the people to be committed so that the world can see that they will follow through with their promises. Despite the agreement, there was some tension at the protest, with supporters of the two parties throwing stones at each other. The deal means that Tsvangirai is now the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe, acting as the head of the council of ministers. Mugabe remains the president of Zimbabwe, meaning that he is still the chair of the cabinet. The cabinet contains 16 seats from Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change, while Mugabe's Zanu-PF has fifteen seats. The MDC also controls the police and Zanu-PF control the armed forces.

Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy
Major American investment bankers Lehman Brothers. has filed paperwork for bankruptcy. It would be the largest collapse of an investment firm in 18 years. Lehman attempted to find a buyer over the weekend but it met with no success. The last remaining bidder, Barclays PLC bank pulled out Sunday afternoon. Based in the United Kingdom, Barclays had become the sole bidder after a consortium led by Bank of America pulled out early Sunday morning citing that it would need government support before considering a bid. The support would consist of backing bad debts owed by Lehman. Barclays cited a similar reason for withdrawing its bid. As of Monday morning, no buyer has come though to take control of the firm. As a result, the firm filed for bankruptcy protection. The main sticking point for potential buyers appears to be the unwillingness for the U.S. government to provide financial support. United States Treasury Secretary Hank Paulsen has repeatedly said that no government money will be given to Lehman or used in any takeover the firm. Government money was used in the takeover of Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase in March of this year. Bear Stearns suffered similar problems as Lehman. Paulson, along with other government officials, proposed a solution that Lehman would get split into two separate entities. However, this proposal has been discarded by many of Wall Street banks. Members of the G8 have reportedly been keep abreast of the situation by U.S. government. The firm, which has over 25,000 employees, has suffered bad results due to the subprime mortgage crisis.

IMF and EU approve aid for Georgia
The International Monetary Fund and the European Union approved aid packages to help Georgia recover from its conflict with Russia, which occurred in early August. The IMF approved a $750 million loan, which will allow Georgia to rebuild its currency reserves. The European Union also approved an aid package of €500 million in aid by 2010, which is expected to help internally displaced people (IDPs) and economic recovery in form of new infrastructure. Only €100 million of the EU aid will be given to Georgia this year. These loans are aimed to restore confidence in Georgia's economy and send a signal to international investors that Georgia's economy is sound. Georgia has requested $2 billion in international aid to help it recover from the conflict. So far, the United States has pledge $1 billion in aid. Further assistance and loans to Georgia are expected from other organizations. Deputy Managing Director and Acting Chairman of the IMF executive committee Takatoshi Kato noted that Georgia is expected to receive financial assistance from multilateral and bilateral donors and creditors in support of the reconstruction effort, and it is expected that an international donors' conference will take place next month to solicit more aid for the country. Georgia's government expects that growth will be more then cut in half as a result of the conflict. Last year, Georgia's GDP was 12.4% and its predicted by the IMF that growth will be less than 4 percent.

Conclusion
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Two largest known prime numbers discovered just two weeks apart, one qualifies for $100k prize

September 18, 2008 Two new records for the largest known prime number have been set, both breaking the 10 million digit threshold. On August 23, Edson Smith, a systems engineer for the Program in Computing laboratory at the University of California, Los Angeles in California, United States, confirmed the primality of the number through his work as a volunteer in the project known as the, or GIMPS. This new prime number is expressed as two to the 43,112,609th power minus one, and consists of 12,978,189 decimal digits when written out. This number qualifies GIMPS for a $100,000 award from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), offered to the first person or group to discover a prime number of 10 million digits or more. According to GIMPS' prize agreement, $50,000 will be given to the UCLA Department of Mathematics, $25,000 will be given to charity, $20,000 will be split among previous discoverers of Mersenne primes, and GIMPS will keep the remainder for funding and other uses. Smith, who was contacted by Scientific American by phone, said that the discovery was "quite unexpected."

Just two weeks later, on September 6, another Mersenne prime was discovered, this time by German electrical engineer Hans-Michael Elvenich, who worked for the chemical company in Germany. This number is expressed as two to the 37,156,667th power minus one, and is 11,185,272 digits long. However, since this prime number was discovered later than the one found on August 23, it does not qualify for the EFF prize. Elvenich said that it was a "finally a great success" after having participated in GIMPS for four years.

A prime number is a positive integer that can be evenly divided only by 1 and itself. For example, 2, 3 and 11 are prime numbers. 21 is not a prime number because it is a product of 3 and 7. These types of prime numbers are called, which can be expressed as one less than a. Mersenne primes are rare, and only 46 are known up to now. The first few Mersenne primes are 3, 7, 31, 127 and 8191.

These numbers took a total of several weeks to verify, using different software and hardware. Each number was independently checked by several members of GIMPS' verification team, using 16-core systems of different configurations. The two primes were announced by GIMPS on September 16. Before these two discoveries, the two previously largest known prime numbers were discovered by professors  and Steven Boone in Missouri, United States, and their record lasted almost three years. Historically, prime numbers discovered by GIMPS are larger than the one previously found. The only other exception was when the 29th Mersenne prime was discovered after the 30th and 31st were found.

Founded by graduate  in 1996, GIMPS has found 12 Mersenne primes, or about one per year on average. Volunteers who wish to help find primes can download a program called, which runs in the background.

Smaller prime numbers, such as those with a few hundred digits, are often used in cryptography. The recently discovered prime numbers are too large to have much practical value, although it is believed by some that such prime numbers may still have undiscovered uses. However, mathematics enthusiasts often seek them for fun, and the GIMPS community is already looking forward to finding a 100 million digit prime that will qualify for a $150,000 prize from the EFF.


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Man pulls a 126,292-pound truck over 137 feet, sets world record

September 18, 2008

Canadian Reverend Kevin Fast has set a new record in the "heaviest vehicle pulled over 100 feet", beating his previous best. The record was set on "Live's Guinness World Record Breaker Week", an annual feature on the American talk show program Live with Regis and Kelly.

The previous record for this category, also set by Fast, was 125,660 lbs (57,000 kg). With the surprise addition of 92-pounder co-host Kelly Ripa to the International Loadstar truck being pulled, Last hauled a load of 126,292 (57,285 kg) lbs over 137 feet (42 meters).

Between pants, the Cobourg, Ontario resident told Regis Philbin and Ripa that he was "a little worried" during the pull. But the first thing he said after the attempt was "I feel great!" Paramedics were standing by, and quickly inspected him after the attempt.

Fast's only food in preparation for the event was a cup of coffee. He pulled on a rope, anchored by a parked car.

"Live's Guinness World Record Breaker Week" continues until Friday. Stuart Claxton from the company Guinness World Records has been judging all of the record attempts, as he has for many years for the program.


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My notes were as follows: Kevin Last, reverend from Canada 125 600  International Loadstar 137 feet Stuart Claxton Cup of coffee Heaviest vehicle pulled over 100 feet Cobourg 100 feet Kelly add 92 lbs car stationary, serve as anchor, rope pull TransCare paramedics --  Zanimum (talk) 17:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


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World record set for balloon blowing with nose, on US talk show

September 18, 2008 Teen Andrew Dahl set an arcane world record today on the television show Live with Regis and Kelly. Starting before the show, Dahl started blowing up balloons with his left nostril, continuing for the next hour, hoping to beat the existing 213 balloon record.

On finishing, Guinness World Records judge Stuart Claxton announced Dahl had "literally blown the record away", blowing 308 balloons in the 60 minute span. All balloons had to be at least 8 inches wide when blown, and could only be blown with one nostril; Dahl chose his left nostril.

Dahl claims to have started the attempt with a slight cold, making breathing harder. He warned show hosts Regis Philbin and Kelly Ripa that "the first few balloons are a little gross".

When 7- or 8-years-old, Andrew was waiting behind in a car, while Dahl's father and uncle were in a tuxedo shop. He stuck a balloon up to his nose, began to blow, and over the years has had increasing success, leading up to the record.

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TV presenter Vernon Kay has to deny death claims after Wikipedia article claims he is dead

September 16, 2008

News reports have said that British television and radio presenter Vernon Kay has been forced to state that he is not dead after an editor to the free content encyclopedia Wikipedia posted inaccurate claims that he was dead.

He said that "I am alive and kicking. A few friends rang to check that I was all right. I wish I was on a yacht in Greece," in response to the claims.

After seeing these reports, Wikinews decided to investigate these edits further.

Wikinews learned that the first of these edits was made by a user contributing from the IP address 86.22.190.95. The IP address was from the United Kingdom and used by a user of the Virgin Media internet service.

The IP address added the claim at 10:05 UTC on September, 13 2008. They claimed that "Vernon Kay sadly passed away after falling off a yacht on Holiday in Greece."

The next user to add to the claims was contributing from the IP address 86.22.191.253, which was also from the United Kingdom and used by a user of the Virgin Media internet service. This user claimed that "his funeral will be held on Friday the 19th of September in Bolton," in addition to expanding on the report of his death.

At 11:11 UTC, over one hour after the claim was initially made, a new user, who identified himself as Woody55, removed the claims that he was dead, saying that Kay is "not dead."

Just six minutes later, however, the claims were re-added. An edit war then took place with several contributors adding and removing the complaints over the next few days. The article was protected by a Wikipedia administrator from editing by new and anonymous users.


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Andrew Dahl 213 balloons/hour one nostril 8 inches 308 balloons "literally blown the record away" Stuart Claxton cold the first few balloons are a little gross left nostril father, uncle fitted for tuxes, waiting in car 7, 8 years

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Hi, please do not place any kind of on our website - it will be  so no one will see it. If you do want to contribute to Wikinews, see the introduction. Anonymous101talk 19:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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It should not be considered for speedy deletion because it is not a PR rather this is one of the important fashion news and event covered by many portls which is quite evident from References
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Wikinews interviews Prince Christopher I of the Principality of Vikesland on his micronation's recent space launch

September 20, 2008 A little over one month ago, a groundbreaking event in the history of micronations, entities that are unrecognized by major world governments but claim independent statehood, took place. The flag of the Principality of Vikesland, a micronation located in Manitoba, was carried into outer space. This is the first time ever that the flag of a micronation has left Planet Earth.

Wikinews was able to have the opportunity to speak with Vikesland's head of state, Prince Christopher I, about this historical achievement. He told reporter Joseph Ford exactly how he got his country's flag into space and what the future may hold for Vikesland. The interview can be read below.

Interview
'''The Principality of Vikesland is the first known micronation to have its flag displayed in outer space. How did you go about doing this?'''

 * Prince Christopher I: I am an amateur rocket enthusiast and was researching ways we could possibly send a rocket up about 10 miles. While I was doing this research I came across the JP Aerospace website and the rest was history. Why re-invent the wheel when there is a perfectly good existing organization doing what you want to accomplish. They were very accessible and relatively inexpensive to get involved with. We simply helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and for that we had our flag taken to the edge of space.

What was the intermicronational reaction to your country's achievement?

 * Prince Christopher I: From what I could tell, the response was all very good. Some leaders even suggested it was a leap forward for Micronationalism in general. We were generally congratulated.

'''Will Vikesland's flag be displayed in outer space again in the near future? Is this a sign of things to come for the Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space?'''

 * Prince Christopher I: Right now, I can say that it is definitely going to be displayed again in some form or another. We are currently thinking up ideas for a pongsat (ping pong ball size satellite) to send on one of the AWAY missions. The next major mission will likely happen in fall of 2009. Ultimately we are moving towards having a manned mission to space in the distant future with one of the civilian rocket companies like Virgin Galactic.

'''Although it is a bit off topic, how are things in Vikesland? Have any major changes or events taken place since our last interview?'''

 * Prince Christopher I: Things are going well in Vikesland right now. An award winning filmmaker out of Toronto has expressed interest in doing a documentary on Vikesland. I am as well working towards a more general documentary on Micronationalism in general.
 * In late June we conducted our first foreign state visit to the Micronation of Molossia in Nevada. We also had a large weekend party with some 97 citizens showing up over two days at the Royal Ranchlands. I plan on posting some pictures on our website soon.


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Prince Christopher I>>>> Mr. Ford, i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vike... Aug 27

Prince Christopher ILoading...Aug 27

Prince Christopher I to me show details Aug 27 Reply

Mr. Ford,

i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vikesland.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On August 16th, 2008 Micronational history was made when the launch of the AWAY 35 mission by JP AEROSPACE carried the Vikeslandic national flag to the edge of space.

This is Historical, as far as is known no other micronation has accomplished this feat to date.

The AWAY mission was launched from the desert floor by Black Rock Nevada. The launch vehicle is carried to the edge of the stratosphere by large balloons. The vehicle itself carries video cameras as well as still cameras and has various scientific instruments that collect data during the mission. As well small instruments known as PONGSATS are aboard and carry out a wide variety of functions when kissing the vacuum of space. The Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and in turn had the flag taken up to the final frontier.

Prince Christopher I of Vikesland said, "Let the Micronational space race begin! I invite all other small nations to do the same or go beyond this historical accomplishment."

JP Aerospace is dubbed as "Americas other space program" and is indeed a great partner for those who are interested in becoming involved or sponsoring an AWAY mission. The whole mission was documented on video and our national flag is clearly seen on the craft as it is prepared for launch on the desert floor. Please visit the JP Aerospace website to learn more about their space program. www.jpaerospace.com

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IJw4gz1yM Reply Forward

Joseph FordPrince Christopher, Sorry for the late response. Yes, this is newsworthy for ... Sep 5 (11 days ago)

Joseph FordLoading...Sep 5 (11 days ago)

Joseph Ford to Prince show details Sep 5 (11 days ago) Reply

Prince Christopher, Sorry for the late response. Yes, this is newsworthy for sure. I'll write an article on your flag's space launch this week. It would be very good if I could have you answer a few questions for the article, so if you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks for your time, Joseph Ford

- Show quoted text - On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vikesland.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On August 16th, 2008 Micronational history was made when the launch of the AWAY 35 mission by JP AEROSPACE carried the Vikeslandic national flag to the edge of space.

This is Historical, as far as is known no other micronation has accomplished this feat to date.

The AWAY mission was launched from the desert floor by Black Rock Nevada. The launch vehicle is carried to the edge of the stratosphere by large balloons. The vehicle itself carries video cameras as well as still cameras and has various scientific instruments that collect data during the mission. As well small instruments known as PONGSATS are aboard and carry out a wide variety of functions when kissing the vacuum of space. The Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and in turn had the flag taken up to the final frontier.

Prince Christopher I of Vikesland said, "Let the Micronational space race begin! I invite all other small nations to do the same or go beyond this historical accomplishment."

JP Aerospace is dubbed as "Americas other space program" and is indeed a great partner for those who are interested in becoming involved or sponsoring an AWAY mission. The whole mission was documented on video and our national flag is clearly seen on the craft as it is prepared for launch on the desert floor. Please visit the JP Aerospace website to learn more about their space program. www.jpaerospace.com

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IJw4gz1yM

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Prince Christopher IMr. Ford, I am absolutely interested. I will answer any questions you send me... Sep 5 (11 days ago)

Prince Christopher ILoading...Sep 5 (11 days ago)

Prince Christopher I to me show details Sep 5 (11 days ago) Reply

Mr. Ford,

I am absolutely interested. I will answer any questions you send me.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On 5-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM, Joseph Ford wrote:

Prince Christopher, Sorry for the late response. Yes, this is newsworthy for sure. I'll write an article on your flag's space launch this week. It would be very good if I could have you answer a few questions for the article, so if you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks for your time, Joseph Ford

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vikesland.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On August 16th, 2008 Micronational history was made when the launch of the AWAY 35 mission by JP AEROSPACE carried the Vikeslandic national flag to the edge of space.

This is Historical, as far as is known no other micronation has accomplished this feat to date.

The AWAY mission was launched from the desert floor by Black Rock Nevada. The launch vehicle is carried to the edge of the stratosphere by large balloons. The vehicle itself carries video cameras as well as still cameras and has various scientific instruments that collect data during the mission. As well small instruments known as PONGSATS are aboard and carry out a wide variety of functions when kissing the vacuum of space. The Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and in turn had the flag taken up to the final frontier.

Prince Christopher I of Vikesland said, "Let the Micronational space race begin! I invite all other small nations to do the same or go beyond this historical accomplishment."

JP Aerospace is dubbed as "Americas other space program" and is indeed a great partner for those who are interested in becoming involved or sponsoring an AWAY mission. The whole mission was documented on video and our national flag is clearly seen on the craft as it is prepared for launch on the desert floor. Please visit the JP Aerospace website to learn more about their space program. www.jpaerospace.com

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IJw4gz1yM

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Here are the questions: Q: The Principality of Vikesland is the first known micronation to have its flag displayed in outer space. How did you go about doing this? Q: What was the intermicronational reaction to your country's achievement? Q: Will Vikesland's flag be displayed in outer space again in the near future? Is this a sign of things to come for the Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space? Q: Although it is a bit off topic, how are things in Vikesland? Have any major changes or events taken place since our last interview? Thanks for your time. - Show quoted text -

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

I am absolutely interested. I will answer any questions you send me.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On 5-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM, Joseph Ford wrote:

Prince Christopher, Sorry for the late response. Yes, this is newsworthy for sure. I'll write an article on your flag's space launch this week. It would be very good if I could have you answer a few questions for the article, so if you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks for your time, Joseph Ford

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vikesland.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On August 16th, 2008 Micronational history was made when the launch of the AWAY 35 mission by JP AEROSPACE carried the Vikeslandic national flag to the edge of space.

This is Historical, as far as is known no other micronation has accomplished this feat to date.

The AWAY mission was launched from the desert floor by Black Rock Nevada. The launch vehicle is carried to the edge of the stratosphere by large balloons. The vehicle itself carries video cameras as well as still cameras and has various scientific instruments that collect data during the mission. As well small instruments known as PONGSATS are aboard and carry out a wide variety of functions when kissing the vacuum of space. The Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and in turn had the flag taken up to the final frontier.

Prince Christopher I of Vikesland said, "Let the Micronational space race begin! I invite all other small nations to do the same or go beyond this historical accomplishment."

JP Aerospace is dubbed as "Americas other space program" and is indeed a great partner for those who are interested in becoming involved or sponsoring an AWAY mission. The whole mission was documented on video and our national flag is clearly seen on the craft as it is prepared for launch on the desert floor. Please visit the JP Aerospace website to learn more about their space program. www.jpaerospace.com

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IJw4gz1yM

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On 6-Sep-08, at 12:16 AM, Joseph Ford wrote:

Here are the questions: Q: The Principality of Vikesland is the first known micronation to have its flag displayed in outer space. How did you go about doing this? I am an amateur rocket enthusiast and was researching ways we could possibly send a rocket up about 10 miles. While I was doing this research I came across the JP Aerospace website and the rest was history. Why re-invent the wheel when there is a perfectly good existing organization doing what you want to accomplish. They were very accessible and relatively inexpensive to get involved with. We simply helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and for that we had our flag taken to the edge of space.

Q: What was the intermicronational reaction to your country's achievement? From what I could tell, the response was all very good. Some leaders even suggested it was a leap forward for Micronationalism in general. We were generally congratulated.

Q: Will Vikesland's flag be displayed in outer space again in the near future? Is this a sign of things to come for the Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space?

Right now, I can say that it is definitely going to be displayed again in some form or another. We are currently thinking up ideas for a pongsat (ping pong ball size satellite) to send on one of the AWAY missions. The next major mission will likely happen in fall of 2009. Ultimately we are moving towards having a manned mission to space in the distant future with one of the civilian rocket companies like Virgin Galactic.

Q: Although it is a bit off topic, how are things in Vikesland? Have any major changes or events taken place since our last interview?

Things are going well in Vikesland right now. An award winning filmmaker out of Toronto has expressed interest in doing a documentary on Vikesland. I am as well working towards a more general documentary on Micronationalism in general. In late June we conducted our first foreign state visit to the Micronation of Molossia in Nevada. We also had a large weekend party with some 97 citizens showing up over two days at the Royal Ranchlands. I plan on posting some pictures on our website soon.

Thanks for your time.

Thank you Joseph. - Show quoted text -

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

I am absolutely interested. I will answer any questions you send me.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On 5-Sep-08, at 3:16 PM, Joseph Ford wrote:

Prince Christopher, Sorry for the late response. Yes, this is newsworthy for sure. I'll write an article on your flag's space launch this week. It would be very good if I could have you answer a few questions for the article, so if you're interested, please send me an email. Thanks for your time, Joseph Ford

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Prince Christopher I  wrote:

Mr. Ford,

i thought you may interested in the latest achievement by Vikesland.

Regards,

Prince Christopher I

On August 16th, 2008 Micronational history was made when the launch of the AWAY 35 mission by JP AEROSPACE carried the Vikeslandic national flag to the edge of space.

This is Historical, as far as is known no other micronation has accomplished this feat to date.

The AWAY mission was launched from the desert floor by Black Rock Nevada. The launch vehicle is carried to the edge of the stratosphere by large balloons. The vehicle itself carries video cameras as well as still cameras and has various scientific instruments that collect data during the mission. As well small instruments known as PONGSATS are aboard and carry out a wide variety of functions when kissing the vacuum of space. The Vikeslandic Department of Aeronautics and Space helped sponsor the AWAY 35 mission and in turn had the flag taken up to the final frontier.

Prince Christopher I of Vikesland said, "Let the Micronational space race begin! I invite all other small nations to do the same or go beyond this historical accomplishment."

JP Aerospace is dubbed as "Americas other space program" and is indeed a great partner for those who are interested in becoming involved or sponsoring an AWAY mission. The whole mission was documented on video and our national flag is clearly seen on the craft as it is prepared for launch on the desert floor. Please visit the JP Aerospace website to learn more about their space program. www.jpaerospace.com

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l2IJw4gz1yM

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 * 2 other notes. #1 Why is it "Joseph Ford" talking to this person? I thought it was Wikinews as a "group" rather than individual editors.  Thats why we don't have by lines.  #2 - that flag is not in the properly scaled. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 22:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * #1 - It is fairly common for interviews to be conducted by a single editor (see the User:David Shankbone series of interviews. Yes, ideally several editors will contribute questions, but it is not always practical.
 * #2 - I fixed the image.
 * However, I do not find this interview to be newsworthy at all, and do not think it ought to be published.
 * Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. An interview is an interview. He has done articles like this before and they were published. I don't see any issues other than its unique. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * That really is just not a good example. More of an insult. This is not the first micronation article he has done. And unless those are not news, then I see no issue with this one. We are supposed to be unique as a news source, and this is a prime example of that. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I am appalled. --SVTCobra 01:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to be. It's perfectly fine to publish an unusual or comedic story every so often. --WNewsReporter (talk) 01:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So we are supposed to sit here and publish recycled news all the time? He went through a good effort to write this and perform the interview. Although you may not be interested in the story, that is no reason to say its not newsworthiness. If we did that to every local and little story that came acorss WN, then Buffalo NY would be an empty category and even smaller stories like the Lakota ones would not exist here. We are unique, and so is this article. So far as I see it violates no policies and follows all guidelines. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have worked hard on publishing some of the earlier micronation articles. I went to extraordinary lengths to obtain properly licensed images for the Molossia articles including e-mailing Kevin Baugh and getting a OTRS ticket. I have worked on your Buffalo articles and the Lakota articles. I have even written "extreme local OR" myself in the form of PETA protests Burberry in White Plains, NY and Empire State Games come to White Plains, NY. So don't go accusing me of not being inclusionary. This story/interview, however, is different. It is not timely (happened nearly a month ago) and it is downright stupid (some guy paid a firm to send a piece of cloth into space) and it impacts absolutely no one. --SVTCobra 02:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Economics take over leaders' talking points

No, if anything we have been more exposed to the problems in the US equities market because Harper is more committed to more trade with the USA.


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Comments:TV presenter Vernon Kay has to deny death claims after Wikipedia article claims he is dead

Standard english, basic journalism
I do not know how to put this politely, so I apologize in advance and will state it baldly: this is an example of terrible journalistic writing.

From the - quite literally - lame story angle to the passive-voiced lede to failure to cover the five W's and H, this piece should never have passed out of development let alone being reviewed to be published. In fact, I would censure the reviewer(s) more than the original authors: You are the last editorial process, and you failed.

<pedantic mode>
 * The story angle is just bad. The "reports of my demise are grossly exagerated" approach was fresh in the late 1800s, as a telegram. Never since. The "Wikipedia has misinformation" angle is equally dead: we've reported that one dozens of times. I can barely see how this might be a news story at all unless the reporter can pin the edits on Vernon Kay somehow. But if you *have* to cover it for some reason, where is the information about who Mr Kay is? where he is? why we should be interested in him?
 * The lede is everything in print news coverage. The first sentence or short paragraph needs to be active voice, present tense, and should introduce all the primary particulars of the story which will be expanded further into the article. This approach to news writing is often called Inverted pyramid style, with the broadest statements at the top, drilling down to more precise details the further down into the article the reader gets. The approach is designed to help readers decide quickly if they want to read further, as well as giving them a complete story at some level of detail no matter where they choose to stop reading it.
 * This is basic journalism, and should not be required to be repeated. Just as every cub reporter should know that every article should answer the 5 Ws and sometimes H: Who? did What? Where? When? Why? and, if possible, How?

</pedantic mode>

I'm writing this by request; normally I'd just say "eh, en.Wikinews, what do you expect?" But some members of this community really do want to see an increasing quality of reporting here. -  Amgine | t 23:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * No wonder I found the above remarks here, they deserved to be made. -71.197.8.9 —Preceding comment was added at 05:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with the criticism. This is something for Wikipedia weekly, not Wikinews. What is this? "Anonymous Wikipedia contributor lights fart, pictures at 11!!1!!1!!!!1"? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It's meta-press. I'd wish Wikinews stop doing it. It's a funny story, but it makes the site look really amateurish. Which would be ok for a school newspaper or something. Not so much for an international website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.179.226 (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd prefer that Wikinews not do stories on Wikipedia (or any Mediawiki project). It's like CNN running stories about Time Warner. They do it, but it is in bad taste. As for editing quality, that will only improve when we get more copyeditors. The contributors who are grammar nazis try their best, but there are only a few of them. This is another example of the "when we get more people..." issue. Gopher65talk 03:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


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US Federal Reserve prepares to take over AIG

September 17, 2008

The Federal Reserve took over American International Group (AIG) on Tuesday in an US$85 billion loan, in exchange for a 79.9% stake in the company.

A press release issued Tuesday stated that "the Board determined that, in current circumstances, a disorderly failure of AIG could add to already significant levels of financial market fragility and lead to substantially higher borrowing costs, reduced household wealth, and materially weaker economic performance."

The deal allows AIG to draw up to US$85 billion in loans over the next 24 months to shore up the orderly sale of various divisions of the company without further interruption to the economy. In exchange, the Federal Reserve will have a 79.9% equity stake, primarily in the form of equity participation notes. The loan carries an interest rate of LIBOR plus 850 points. Should AIG fail, the loan is covered completely by company assets. Should AIG recover however, taxpayers could potentially recover large profits.

This news comes on the heels of the Federal Reserve refusing to bail out Lehman Brothers, forcing the company to file for bankruptcy on Monday after Bank of America(BoA) and Barclays PLC pulled out of negotiations over the weekend. The fact that AIG has thousands of divisions engaged in business across the globe sets them apart from the recent problems with other banks. AIG was built up over the last several years via the buyouts and mergers of many companies around the world, offering AIG's stockholders a diverse base of income which allowed it to steadily increase profits.

It is this interconnectedness that had the Federal Reserve worried. Should AIG collapse, it could set off a global chain reaction in multiple markets. In an interview with the New York Times, former Treasury official Roger Altman said, "It’s the interconnectedness and the fear of the unknown. The prospect of the world’s largest insurer failing, together with the interconnectedness and the uncertainty about the collateral damage — that’s why it’s scaring people so much."

While AIG, like many other banks, found itself embroiled in the middle of the sub-mortgage lending crisis, AIG has also been struggling to deal with controversies in other complex financial instruments such as credit default swaps. These markets have been exploding for several years, but due to lack of regulation by the government, recent reversals have seen AIG's stock value tumble by over 90 percent in the last year.


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What a bunch of socialist drivel. Fephisto (talk) 00:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not
Canada is actually the only G8 nation that relies priamarily on resource extraction in order to keep it;s economy going so any economic slow down for manufacturing based countries like the U.S. China or europe will have a huge effect and really this is something that has been known about for along time so yes the parties shopuld have a stance on it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.73.29 (talk) 20:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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AIG Bailout near?
New York Times

CNN

Bloomberg

Reuters

The Fed bails out AIG
http://www.federalreserve.gov/ --Jóhann Heiðar Árnason (talk) 01:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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He WAS NOT a co-author or Proposition 215. I haven't read beyond that.


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Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr released

September 17, 2008

The (LNC) continues to be in a fierce deadlock today over how to address the growing controversies surrounding their party's U.S. presidential nominee, former  Bob Barr.

Many libertarians have spoken out against Barr since his last minute refusal to attend former presidential hopeful  Ron Paul's third party unity conference at the  in  last Wednesday.

One faction of the 17-member LNC, led by at-large representative — who lost the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination to Barr at the  in May by only a few votes — is supporting a resolution to apologize to Paul. This is being countered by another faction led by Treasurer Aaron Starr, who favors a resolution to chastise Paul for not endorsing Bob Barr and “splitting the Freedom Movement.” The motion supported by Starr was made available online Tuesday night. It can be read in its entirety below.

Starr's Motion
The Libertarian National Committee is disappointed to learn that you have recently urged those in the freedom movement to vote for the likes of Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney and Chuck Baldwin, none of whom truly grasp the meaning of Liberty.

More than before, we remain committed to our nominees for President and Vice President, Bob ''Barr and Wayne Root. We believe both of them boldly present the ideals of limited government, lower taxes, lower spending, and more freedom to the American people.''

We invite you to restore your commitment to Liberty by supporting the only candidates on the ballot this year who understand the Constitution and are prepared to restore our republic to what the Founders believed.

Toward Liberty,

The Libertarian National Committee


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WWE Raw Results from Memphis, TN for September 15, 2008

September 17, 2008 Reigning WWE World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho was involved in several controversies on Monday evening. Jericho was told last week that he would face CM Punk, the former champion, in a steel cage match for the title during last week's episode of Raw. What he wasn't told was that this would be the first match on the card for this evening, further frustrating the already banged-up champion. The two men would spend nearly twenty minutes attempting to scramble over each other to be the first to scale their way out of the cage, with former champion Punk appearing to dominate for most of the match.

In the end, it would be Jericho who would prevail, after an inadvertent head butt by Jericho sent Punk reeling back towards the middle of the ring, while Jericho haphazardly stumbled backwards through the open cage door. After the match, Jericho would seek out WWE Raw General Manager Mike Adamle, taking issue with being booked to wrestle in four high-profile matches in a three-week time span, and demanded that the rookie G.M. needed to learn how to take care of his champions. The two men left to talk in private.

Later in the evening, John "Bradshaw" Layfield lodged a protest in the middle of the ring after his match, demanding that G.M. Adamle declare him to be the #1 Contender for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. This brought out another former champion, the injured Randy Orton, who told Layfield that he was not impressed with Layfield's performances as of late, and that he was no more worthy to be named the top contender than anybody else who had been making those claims lately. This brought out WWE Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella and girlfriend WWE Women's Champion Beth Phoenix, both of whom have been unhappy with Orton's remarks about them. The four individuals argued, which then brought out yet another former champion, Dave Batista, to continue the arguments.

G.M. Adamle then appeared on the arena video screens, informing all of the individuals that he would be consulting with current champion Chris Jericho to determine the top contender, which would be announced later in the evening. This would lead to Dave Batista attempting to influence the decisions by attacking Layfield, Marella and Phoenix in the ring, while Randy Orton quickly left.

The evening would end on a surprising note for the champion, however. Chris Jericho returned to the ring, informing the fans and G.M. Adamle that his preference would be that John "Bradshaw" Layfield and Dave Batista would face each other at the WWE "No Mercy" pay-per-view later this month to determine the top contender, and afterwards Jericho would immediately defend the championship against the winner. Adamle came out in front of the live crowd and stated that while he agreed with the idea of the two men fighting for the top contender position at the pay-per-view, he did not like the idea of either of them having to wrestle a second match that night. Instead, the men would face the WWE World Heavyweight Champion at another point in time.

Jericho took exception to this, he wanted to defend the title at the show. Adamle informed Jericho that he would be defending the title against an opponent who asked for a shot at the title earlier in the evening. The fans speculated that this was the returning Shawn Michaels, and they were proven correct when Michaels made his presence in front of the fans. Michaels, who recently defeated Jericho in a vicious "unsanctioned" fight just a few weeks ago at the WWE "Unforgiven" pay-per-view, declared that he wanted one more shot at Jericho to satisfy his personal vendetta as well as chance to claim the championship for himself. Michaels stated that the stipulation would be for a Ladder Match.

Full match results for the evening:
 * WWE World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho d. CM Punk to retain the championship
 * Candice Michelle d. Jillian Hall by pinfall
 * John "Bradshaw" Layfield d. Tommy Dreamer by pinfall
 * Manu, Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase, Jr. d. Kofi Kingston, Jerry "the King" Lawler and Charlie Haas by pinfall
 * Jamie Noble d. Paul Burchill by submission
 * Rey Mysterio d. Kane by disqualification


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Original notes from my recap article on AngryMarks.com Kamnet (talk) 01:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Major notes Kamnet (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC):

* Show opens with Jericho vs. Punk for WHC, Steel cage match, Jericho wins after leaving cage first * Candice Michelle d. Jillian Hall by pinfall * Jericho talks to Adamle about being used too much, needs "taken care of" * John Layfield d. Tommy Dreamer by pinfall * Layfield protest in ring for #1 Contender, Randy Orton out to yell at Layfield * IC Champ Santino Marella & Women's Champ Beth Phoenix out to yell at Orton * Dave Batista out to yell at all four * Announcement that #1 Contender determined at end of show, Batista attacks everybody * Manu/Cody Rhodes/Ted Dibiase Jr d. Kofi Kingston/Jerry Lawler/Charlie Haas * Jamie Noble d. Paul Burchill by pinfall * Rey Mysterio Jr d. Kane by DQ   * Adamle announces JBL vs. Batista at PPV to determine #1 Contender, Jericho to defend title against Shawn Michaels in Ladder Match at PPV


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Comments:WWE Raw Results from Memphis, TN for September 15, 2008

Wow. I didn't know wrestling was notable enough to on Wikinews. There has to be some rule against publishing FAKE entertainment

 * I didn't think it was myself, but talking with a couple of notable administrators and editors here, they were very excited to see it added, so I decided to take the risk. I realize that there are aspects of it which doesn't appear to hold the same standards as other journalistic endeavors these days. Apparently it has been forgotten that up until the explosion of television media in the 1950s, newspapers across the globe heavily promoted professional wrestling in its sport pages, and occasionally at the lead story, all with the full knowledge that aspects of it were more entertainment than sports, more scripted than real. With television, the wrestling promoters had direct access to a national audience, if not a global one, and could deliver through audio and video the ideas, action and emotions that a newspaper article could not, so the excitement for writing about professional wrestling in major publications waned

I guess I fail at being first...
How is this news? When has something so blatantly scripted ever been considered news?

If the topic was "Joe Donkey in WWE died" that might be a different matter, but the results of a script? Bad beat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesoliloquy (talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No. They have no relevance to the real world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.232.179 (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

While I like Wrestling, I will say no to it being reported in the News
As pro wrestling is a scripted show event, deciding to allow pro wrestling to report as Wikinews is indicating to other audience that other TV shows should be open to Wikinews too, as in report the latest stories lines of TV Heroes and Lost in details, which doesn't make any sense.

Given the large numbers of wrestling news site out there providing the show summary/results like ProWrestlingInsider as well as WWE own's offical website I see no reason there is a need of it being reported on Wikinews unless it is something extremely unusal happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.11 (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Wrestling News
As a fan of WWE I found this article informative but I agree with the other comments as Wrestling is fake in terms of match outcomes and shouldn't be in the "Wikinews" page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.189.11 (talk) 09:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

If people are making big news of all this Bob Barr stuff then why not make Wikinews like all other media outlets and go for soft yellow news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.114.114 (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay wrestling
of course because wrestling is awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.64.124.33 (talk) 00:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing presidential nominee Bob Barr released

Wow, and I thought the Democratic Party was more chaotic between Obama-Clinton.


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Talk:Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr released

This seems to be single sourced to me. The second source is nearly a week old and does not substantiate the main points of the article. --SVTCobra 09:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with this criticism. Is there a justification with this as some sort of primary source? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to use Independent Political Report as my lead source because they often have sources inside of the Libertarian Party and are therefore able to get the word out first about situations like this. Should I write another article related to the Bob Barr controversies, I'll get a different second source. --WNewsReporter (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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Doha round negotiations might restart in a matter of weeks

September 17, 2008 The head of the World Trade Organization (WTO) has called for trade negotiations to restart on the Doha Development Round, citing the need for the round to be concluded to help the global economy. Pascal Lamy, Director-General of the WTO, speaking at a United Nations conference, said "In the weeks to come, and depending on progress made by the negotiators, I am ready to call Ministers to Geneva to try and close the issues which remain open so that the scheduling process in both areas can commence."

The Doha round of talks, named after Doha, the capital city of Qatar, where it was inaugurated in November 2001, focuses heavily on creating a fair system of trade for the benefit of developing countries, in particular for trade in agricultural products.

The last major negotiations collapsed in July, after nine days of talks, over issues of agricultural trade between the United States, India, and China. Since then, a series of small negotiations have been held. Lamy called for a ministerial level conference, which would involve ministers from member states.

The WTO believes that a completed deal will restore confidence in the global economy and improve the global outlook. Lamy said, "A failure of the Doha Agenda would have serious implications on the ongoing efforts by all developing countries to address their challenges and in particular to meet the UN Millennium Development Goals. The reasons why we must conclude the Round are visible to all of us and are becoming more critical by the day as the economic and financial outlook continues to deteriorate."

Since the collapse in July, there has been a willingness by member states to hold negotiations again. The United States has been willing to hold negotiations even though the U.S. presidential election will be held in November and a shift in policy on the Doha round might occur as a result of the election.

Huang Rengang, a senior diplomat at China's WTO mission, told Reuters, "The problem now is that often in the negotiating rooms you find that some members are obsessed with market access rather than development, are obsessed with inventing new terms like 'key emerging countries'".


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Comments:Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr released

Blown Out of Proportion
Now we're attacking Paul?! Barr is the one who is pro-war. Barr is the one who wants to take away our freedoms (Patriot Act anyone?). Barr is the one who isn't the true libertarian! This has been blown way out of proportion. -- Poe Joe (Talk) 03:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Kickem out!
Ron Paul has represented liberty from the start. I think we should kick Barr out seriously he voted for the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq and now he is totally different from Ron Paul as we have seen in that he is not interested in making the country better by third party unity. He doesn't work based on morals as Ron Paul does, rather, he works for his own success.

Bob Barr isn't a Libertarian
Bob Barr isn't a True Libertarian... I don't blame Ron Paul for not endorsing him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.41.57 (talk) 05:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Wth?
If it wasn't for Paul, the LNC and the libertarian organization in general would be even more irrelevant than it is now. He's the one that brought the attention, and he has crystal clear, well thought out, opinions.

That the LNC is voting on chastising Ron Paul is just surreal. What on earth are they thinking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.71.86 (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I just find it funny
That the LNC is made of 17-people, it seems overly bureaucratic for a party that believes in small government. --TUFKAAP (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Gravel NOT Neocon Barr
The American Ruse & when Black Friday comes.

Honesty or lies? Compassion or greed? Intelligence or narrow-minded? Guts - or go along to get along?

Ralph Nader Cynthia McKinney

Ron Paul Mike Gravel Dennis Kucinich

Jesse Ventura H. Ross Perot President Carter JFK RFK MLK Malcolm

They lost my vote
I was considering voting Libertarian. I guess I'm off to the Constitution party. The Libertarian party has never been able to organize themselves properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.112.121 (talk) 15:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As much as I don't like to, I might do the same. Fephisto (talk) 01:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, have I got this straight?
Barr is a former Republican, who is now a Libertarian. On the other hand, Paul is a former Libertarian, who is now a Republican... And they don't get along? I'd wonder if either really counts as a true Libertarian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.73.165 (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I haven't heard Ron Paul say anything negative about Bob Barr. In fact, he tried to endorse him (along with three others). The negativity about Barr comes from his insults to Paul in the wake of Paul's proposed endorsement. 216.99.213.2 16:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bigger Issues
It is true that the three invitees to Ron Paul's convention don't represent much of Paul's or Barr's political beliefs, however, a coalition of smaller parties is something that we see in Parlimentary politics all the time. If we strive to see more attention given to third parties, they have to band together to gain in size and in popularity. I understand that Bob Barr is looking out for the interest of the Libertarian Party but the bigger issue at hand is that he has absolutely no shot as long as third parties remain small and isolated. Essentially, we are a nation of over 300 million people and we have two "realistic" choices. Chances are that we aren't going to see Barr, Nader, McKinney, or Baldwin at the debates, but if they got the support of all third party supporters and independents who want more choices, it would be a possibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.65.129 (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The LNC has a hell of a lot of nerve.
Barr reneged on his word by bailing out on Ron Paul's press conference. To behave like a spoiled child and then demand an endorsement from the person you slighted is beyond asinine.

I hope that the Libertarian party will remember the tragic mistake they made in nominating Bob Barr for many years to come, and will take a closer look at the both the record and the character of any future candidates for their nomination. Barr has a long and disgraceful record as a big-government drug warrior, and I find his repentance rather less than convincing.

Who cares!
These guys have or should I say never have had any chance of winning anything. So all this over nothing. This party will never get elected to any national or statewide office ever! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.9.127 (talk) 02:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently, you weren't aware that Ron Paul has been elected to congress over and over for 30 years and is running unopposed for the seat again. That IS a national position. Barr has apparently held office too. Of course it is not about this but wow, take a trip over to wikipedia and look up some basic facts before posting.

Bob Barr deserve the Libertarian party's nomination about as much Mike Gravel does. His voting record simply does not stack up to who his current platform, nor does it stand up to the platform of the party. Chuck Baldwin 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.30.55 (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can win a congressional seat. There has never been a senator or governor from this party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.9.127 (talk) 01:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Aaron puts the blame in the wrong place. The LP failed the moment they considered Barr. He's not trustworthy and not a libertarian. Blaming Paul for not endorsing him is like blaming Iraq for 9/11.

Aaron puts the blame in the wrong place. The LP failed the moment they considered Barr. He's not trustworthy and he's not a libertarian. Blaming Paul for not endorsing him is like blaming Iraq for 9/11.

Aaron puts the blame in the wrong place. The LP failed the moment they considered Barr. He's not trustworthy and not a libertarian. Blaming Paul for not endorsing him is like blaming Iraq for 9/11. --24.151.176.24 01:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Barr (-) Ron Paul (+)
Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act! And he is against medical marijuana! If I were Paul (having read Paul's book) I wouldn't endorse Barr. Im voting for Nader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.246.4.91 (talk) 04:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

no. Ron Paul is only mostly libertarian. He cares about the constitution as the model for how our government should run. Not all libertarians agree with this so Ron Paul will try to align himself with the candidate he sees as closest to his own views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.207.65 (talk) 10:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


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Royal Society education chief forced out in creation row

September 18, 2008

Following misleading reports that Rev Professor Michael Reiss had advocated that creation should be taught in science class, he left his post as director of education at the Royal Society, the UK's national academy of science.

Last week at the British Association's science festival Rev Professor Michael Reiss said that creation should not be ignored if it come up in class. Professor Reiss, who was director of education at the Royal Society, said that since a substantial number of pupils have concerns about the issue, they are likely to "detach from" science if their concerns and world view are not addressed. Creation should not be taught, he said, but if it comes up, teachers should be encouraged to explain the science of evolution. He also said that students should be taught the nature of a scientific theory - that it does not simply mean a hypothesis about the way things might work, but a rigorously supported system of ideas that fit with the available evidence.

The Times of London reported him as saying that Creationism should be taught in science classes as a legitimate point of view. This provoked a storm of protest from a group that included two Nobel Laureates and other scientists who strongly oppose the teaching, or even the discussion of creation in science class.

Yesterday the Royal Society said in a statement that some of Professor Reiss' comments had been "open to misinterpretation", and that this had damaged the Society's reputation. "As a result, Professor Reiss and the Royal Society have agreed that, in the best interests of the society, he will step down immediately as director of education." The Royal Society went on to say: "However, if a young person raises creationism in a science class, teachers should be in a position to explain why evolution is a sound scientific theory and why creationism is not, in any way, scientific."

The chief executive of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Roland Jackson, said that the Royal Society should have supported Professor Reiss and used this opportunity to further a reasoned debate. "I was at the actual discussion, and what I heard him say, however it has been reported, was essentially the position advocated by the Royal Society," Jackson said.


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= Wikinews News in Brief September 17, 2008 05:00 UTC =

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It is 500 hours UTC. Good morning, this is your Audio Wikinews Update for Wednesday, September 17, 2008. I'm Kevin Fields, and here are this morning's top stories.

Libertarian National Committee motion to chastise Ron Paul for not endorsing U.S. presidential nominee Bob Barr released
The Libertarian National Committee continues to be in a fierce deadlock today over how to address the growing controversies surrounding their party's U.S. presidential nominee, former congressman Bob Barr. Many libertarians have spoken out against Barr since his last minute refusal to attend former Republican presidential hopeful Congressman Ron Paul's third party unity conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on Wednesday. One faction of the 17-member LNC, led by at-large representative Dr. Mary Ruwart — who lost the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination to Barr at the National Convention in May by only a few votes — is supporting a resolution to apologize to Paul. This is being countered by another faction led by Treasurer Aaron Starr, who favors a resolution to chastise Paul for not endorsing Bob Barr and “splitting the Freedom Movement.” The motion supported by Starr was made available online Tuesday night, it can be read online at wikinews.org

Large particle accelerators to explore the frontiers of physics
The Large Hadron Collider that started preliminary experiments on September 10 in CERN, Geneva, and the planned International Linear Collider will carry out a series of experiments in future to validate the standard model of particle physics. The model predicts that Higgs boson particles gives mass to all fundamental particles and explains the existence of dark matter, or invisible matter in between galaxies. The LHC is a 27 kilometer long circular high energy particle accelerator which took more than 20 years and USD $9 billion to build. In the next few weeks the machine will collide opposing beams of protons charged with approximately 7 TeV of energy resulting in cataclysmic conditions that will mimic the beginning of time, a re-creation of the Big Bang. It is reported that the studies could also help treat diseases such as cancer, improve the Internet, develop systems for destroying nuclear waste and provide insights into climate change and open the door to travel through extra dimensions. An upgraded version of the LHC was announced, nicknamed the "super LHC". The new accelerator will perform ten times the number of collisions as the current the LHC over the same time. The upgrade will feature a new injection system and enhanced detectors to cope with the increase in data packets from collisions. The bigger International Linear Collider, nicknamed "Einstein's telescope", is planned by the International Technology Recommendation Panel. The ILC will have a collision energy of 500 GeV and will collide electrons with particles of antimatter, called positrons, along a 30-40 km completely straight tunnel. The ILC's two giant "guns" pointing at each other would be able to accelerate electrons and positrons to near-light speeds before smashing them together.

TV presenter Vernon Kay has to deny death claims after Wikipedia article claims he is dead
The reports of the death of TV presenter Vernon Kay in the U.K. have been greatly exaggerated. News reports have said that the British television presenter has been forced to state that he is not dead after an editor to the free content encyclopedia Wikipedia posted inaccurate claims that he was dead. On September 13, vandalism was apparently made to the website wikipedia.org, claiming that "Vernon Kay sadly passed away after falling off a yacht on Holiday in Greece." Another edit further stated that, "his funeral will be held on Friday the 19th of September in Bolton". One hour after the claim was initially made, a new user removed the claims that he was dead, saying that Kay is "not dead." Just six minutes later, however, the claims were re-added. An edit war then took place with several contributors adding and removing the complaints over the next few days. The article was eventually protected from editing by anonymous and new users by a Wikipedia administrator. With regards to his death, in Kay's release, he stated, "I am alive and kicking. A few friends rang to check that I was all right. I wish I was on a yacht in Greece."

Wikinews visits the 2008 Reno Air Races
And finally this morning, in more light-hearted news, Wikipedia editor and photographer ShakataGaNai visited the 45th National Championship Air Races & Air Show, in Reno, NV. Many of his photos are available on display at wikinews.org.

Conclusion
This has been an Audio Wikinews Brief and is freely available for copy under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license at http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/. Catch the latest breaking news at Wikinews at wikinews.org.

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Talk:Royal Society education chief forced out in creation row

 * I'm fairly sure 'Nullius in verba' wasn't published on September 17. I forget what our sourcing rule is for stuff that's not recent news. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 06:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

 * That was the publication date for the relevant web page - I added it because it contrasts with the conduct of the society. Minor point, so I removed it because of the reviewer's copyright concerns, though it might well have been justifiable as commentary / review / fair use. Sorry if that was unclear or bad form. - Notmyopinion (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Removed problematic copyright. Worked at style of extracts from Prof's reported speech to make it less unwieldy.

I think the story is important because it concerns academic freedom and a serious educational controversy in both the UK and USA. - Notmyopinion (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Two largest known prime numbers discovered just two weeks apart, one qualifies for $100k prize

 * Well, all Mersenne primes are primes, and most of the big ones found these days are Mersenne primes for various reasons. I think a little note like "Prime numbers have many applications in number theory, and are also used in computer encryption algorithms" to give some context of why they search for big primes (although of course the real reason is "because we can"). Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 23:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

clarification
I believe I made a mistake while editing the article. I incorrectly thought that Tom Duell, Rob Giltrap, Tony Reix and Jeff Gilchrist each verified both primes, meaning that both number were checked four times.

However, from what I've been told, each number was only checked three times:

 * Duell and Giltrap each checked one of the numbers
 * Reix checked both numbers
 * Gilchrist checked both numbers

I guess this is a moot point because the article never said there were four verifications; it merely stated that four members of GIMPS' verification team were involved.

I'm just posting this as an FYI. --Ixfd64 (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion for more correct/clearer wording
This paragraph (from the 25 Jan. 2015 version) is not really saying what it should, in my opinion:

A prime number is a positive integer that can be evenly divided only by 1 and itself. For example, 2, 3 and 11 are prime numbers. 21 is not a prime number because it is a product of 3 and 7. These types of prime numbers are called Mersenne primes, which can be expressed as one less than a power of two. Mersenne primes are rare, and only 46 are known up to now. The first few Mersenne primes are 3, 7, 31, 127 and 8191.

I propose changing it into this:

A prime number is a positive integer that is divisible only by 1 and itself. To illustrate: 21 is not a prime number because it is a product of 3 and 7. The numbers 2, 3, 5, 7 and 11 are the first five prime numbers. A special kind of prime numbers are so-called Mersenne primes, which can be expressed as one less than a power of two. The first five Mersenne primes are 3, 7, 31, 127 and 8191. Mersenne primes are much rarer than regular prime numbers—only 46 are known up to now—but because of their regular sequence they are of special interest when searching for extremely large prime numbers.

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Talk:Doha round negotiations might restart in a matter of weeks

Ok fixed.--PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence
The WTO believes that a completed deal will restore confidence in the global economy and improve.

Improve what? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry didn't catch that when I tried to proofread it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Review 2

 * Thanks for the review! I always forget that most people don't get excited at the mere mention of the Doha round like me. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:IMF and EU approve aid for Georgia

"Last year, Georgia's GDP was 12.4% and it's predicted by the IMF that growth will be less than 4 percent."

GDP is not a percentage. I'm assuming that this must mean that last year Georgia's GDP grew by 12.4%. I'm not sure, but this should be corrected.
 * ✅ but issues like this should really be on the talk/collaboration page. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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Stock markets worldwide fall dramatically

September 17, 2008

Stock markets around the world, particularly those in the United States, have fallen dramatically today. This is due to the ongoing events in the financial world, including the bailout of large insurance firm by the US.

The primary UK index, the, dropped in value by 2.36%, which is 118.40 points, to below the 5000 mark at 4907.20. The was down 2.62% at 16:08, a slight increase from earlier today. The Dow Jones currently has a value of 10769.00 points. The index has fallen by 3.16% to 2138.14, while the Dax was 1.75% lower than the start of the day as of 16:08 UTC.

The Japanese index the was one of the few to rise in value over the day. It ended up 1.2%, although this follows a large fall in the value of the index when it hit an all time low yesterday.

Darren Winder, a market analyst from Cazenove, said that "I don't think anyone has got any or much confidence in market direction for more than a few days."

A lot of today's activities in the market were related to the takeover of the (AIG) on Tuesday in an  85 billion loan, in exchange for a 79.9% stake in the company.

The fact that AIG has thousands of divisions engaged in business across the globe sets them apart from the recent problems with other banks. AIG was built up over the last several years via the buyouts and mergers of many companies around the world, offering AIG's stockholders a diverse base of income which allowed it to steadily increase profits.

In addition, the markets have also had difficulties during the past week after the refusal of the Federal Reserve to bail out, forcing the company to file for bankruptcy on Monday after (BoA) and  pulled out of negotiations over the weekend.


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Tarja Turunen to perform at Doro Pesch's 25th anniversary concert and record duets with her

September 17, 2008 Tarja Turunen, a Finnish artist best known for being the former frontwoman of  band Nightwish, has been scheduled to appear at the 25th anniversary concert of heavy metal vocalist. Pesh, like Turunen, first gained fame fronting a band, in her case. Doro and Tarja are now also confirmed to be planning to record duets with each other. Doro will feature on Tarja's next solo album, while Tarja will sing a role in Doro's upcoming 25th-anniversary album.

Tarja announced the planned duets at the same time as confirming her appearance at the December 13th concert in, Germany's , where she says she will perform "a new song and an old song". At the same time, Norwegian symphonic metal band have also been confirmed for the event.

When making the announcements Tarja also said "there will be a co-operation between me and Doro in the future" although it was unclear if this refers to a more permanent arrangement or simply that which has been announced now.


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Talk:Stock markets worldwide fall dramatically

 * Very well written article, but I wonder if Russia should be mentioned? Trading there is suspended for the second day running and over a trillion roubles has been lent to banks to keep things going. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * BRS, I didn't mention it in the article as I was planning to do a separate article in a few minutes entirely about RUssia. Anonymous101talk 17:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Ok, you win the prize for the better idea ;). (the prize is you get to write it, hehe) I'd help but aren't keen an figures, rather on generalisations - I can understand what's going on but am loathe to write it up in great detail. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't edit it myself, but I should note there's some typos around. The word 'event' is mentioned twice on the first paragraph, and the front page says 'particurly' in the article description. Just pointing them out, don't mean to troll or anything. :S 152.157.144.54 20:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can edit this page, although I think the front one is protected. Your edits will be checked before going public, but feel free in future. I'll go get them now. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Russian stock markets suspended amid market turmoil

September 17, 2008

Trading on Russia's major stock markets has been suspended for a second consecutive day due to the ongoing turmoil in the financial markets around the world.

The suspension took place due to an order of the Russian government's Federal Service for the Financial Markets, which demanded the suspension. "It took too long for the money to get into the system," said Uralsib analyst Chris Weafer commenting on this decision. "They were afraid of panic selling so they stopped the market."

Before the suspension, the RTS exchange fell by 6.39 percent in just two hours, while the MICEX index started the day with an increase, before falling again. This day was the worst day in Russia's market since the country's 1998 financial crisis

Several financial markets have continued to lose value. The primary British index, the FTSE 100, dropped in value by 2.36%, which is 118.40 points, to below the 5000 mark at 4907.20. The Dow Jones, was down 2.62% at 16:08 UTC, a slight increase from earlier today. The Dow Jones currently has a value of 10769.00 points. The NASDAQ index has fallen by -3.16% to 2138.14, while the Dax was 1.75% lower than the start of the day at 16:08 UTC.

The Russian Government has also announced the injection of 44 billion dollars into the Russian economy. The cash injection will take place through VTB, Sberbank and Gazprom Bank, which are all state run banks.


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Discovery sheds light on flow of water in carbon nanotubes

September 17, 2008 Experiments during the past several years examining membranes formed from carbon nanotubes have demonstrated potential for a variety of applications, perhaps most notably economical filtration of water for desalination. But something that has consistently confused researchers is that the rate of flow for water passing through these special membranes is considerably higher than would be predicted by classical physics. In some experiments the flow rate was up to 10,000 times the speed expected. In addition, recent measurements by a team at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory conducted via nuclear magnetic resonance showed that the water passing through nanotubes exhibits very different properties in comparison to bulk water.

In a press release Tuesday the News Bureau of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign highlighted a recent finding that offers one possible explanation for the phenomenon. The research, published in Physical Review Letters last month, used molecular modeling to analyze the predicted behavior and interactions of individual water molecules passing through a nanotube.

UIUC researchers Narayana R. Aluru, a professor of mechanical science and engineering, and doctoral student Sony Joseph found that the chemical polarity of H2O and what they describe as "confinement effects" within the bounds of smaller nanotubes cause the molecular movements to couple. Due to the water molecules interacting and orienting themselves in response to one another they flow in a more orderly helical or corkscrew pattern through the nanotube. This flow pattern may explain some of the experimental results obtained by other scientists.

Hopefully this discovery is another step towards an affordable technology to produce plentiful potable water for drinking, irrigation of crops, and other purposes, a vital resource that is in short supply in many parts of the world.


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