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Talk:Bush's Katrina statement contradicted by emerging evidence

Breaking
This story will break all day today. Please keep it up to date as much as possible. I will also keep an eye on it. -Drew 14:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

 * This seems to be directly contradicted by a recording (possible POV?)
 * There should be a link to his previous statement. If there is one. I do think there should be more in this article. I think its too short. Jason Safoutin 11:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The quote in the article is referenced in the article linked on the page. If you don't mean that quote, I don't understand what you're asking for...no one has quoted him as saying anything else, only that he had previously been given information which contradicts his statement. Or, at least, that's how I understand it. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well he seems to be or he doesn't seem to be...seems is a POV...as it is written. To another reader, they might think we are speculating. Also, there has to be a source somewhere out there that has the statement he contradicts. Jason Safoutin 12:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good work. Thank you :) Jason Safoutin 12:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

"This seems to be directly contradicted by a recording (possible POV?)"

The word choice "seems" is actually more than fair, considering that the sources very clearly show that the man is either lying or incompetent for claiming no one could have predicted the levees were going to break.

"There should be a link to his previous statement. If there is one."

Both sources cited depict the previous statement. The video link even shows the statement. The print source directly quotes the previous statement. Both sources have links in the article, which I merely followed to verify. Your claim appears to be invalid?

I see no grounds for NPOV. Ergo, it has been removed. (And pardons for the early removal.) (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 12:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC))

(Also, sorry if I came off grumpy. Time for bed.)  ;) (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 12:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC))

 * Re; comments above; I think we can rule out "incompetent" as President Bush has accomplished almost everything he ever set out to do. Neutralizer 13:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

lol. I was merely making a statement that contrasted two of the possibilities. Memory problems is another possibility. ;) -shrugs- I wager that we verge on a debate regarding stated goals and actual results.  But I digress. (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 19:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC))

Actual Quotes
From the video as seen on BBC News Online.

"My gut tells me I told you guys my gut was that this one is a bad one and a big one and you heard max's comments - I still feel that way today" - Michael Brown, former FEMA Director

"As you may or may not know the Superdome is about twelve feet below sea level so I don't know what the - and I also heard about the roof, I don't know whether that roof is designed to stand, withstand a cat 5 hurricane" - Michael Brown

"I want to assure the folks at a State level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm to help you deal with the loss of property and we pray for the no loss of life of course" - George Bush

Statement before the Senate
This press release, from February 15, 2006, may be relevant if anyone has the time to read and digest. Frankie Roberto 16:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice article
Think this turned into a well-written article in the end. Well done to everyone who contributed... Frankie Roberto 22:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

quote from wikipedia
I don't understand the use of this quote for the article. Please specify or remove. --vonbergm 02:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * It clarifies that overtopping and breaching are different things, which the article otherwise fails to do. 24.47.49.222 02:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Well if it is such a clear distinction, then the headline is contradictory. All this could be avoided by not using wikinews to editorialise and simply state the two quotes with a NPOV headline. Let people decide for themselves. 24.94.246.41 03:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The article does not claim or imply that overtopping and breaching are the same things, it merely implies that overtopping leads to a breach (which is correct). The statement about how exactly the levees failed is interesting, but not relevant for the article. And I do not see an issue with the headline either. Bush sais he was not warned of possible levee breaches. The tape shows he was. Thus his statement is contradicted by the taped briefing. Saying that is not POV. In fact, avoiding to say it is. --vonbergm 03:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The problem here is that overtopping never occured, and overtopping does not necessarily lead to a breach. There's only a conflict if overtopping is the same thing as a breach, which isn't the case. 24.47.49.222 03:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * You are misinformed. In fact, the very wikipedia article you quoted says: "The report found that the storm surges produced by Hurricane Katrina resulted in numerous breaches which flooded approximately 75% of the metropolitan area of New Orleans. Their evidence supports that most of the levee and floodwall failures were caused by overtopping, however other factors were the reason for failure in the 17th Street Canal and London Avenue Canal breaches." Please correct your edit accordingly. --vonbergm 04:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for fixing the statement. While factually correct now, I still don't understand why it should be included in the article. What is its purpose? --vonbergm 07:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * my understanding is that the link b/w overtopping and breaches is very clear and uncontested. and "u said overtopping, u didn't say anything about breaches" is no defence for bad flood-planning. imo, the statement in the article that "some breaches were caused by overtopping, but some breaches happened w/o it" is implying that the link b/w the two is weak or unclear. i don't think such a statement is warranted.
 * this quote might help in the article.
 * "'Most of the levee and floodwall failures were caused by overtopping, as the storm surge rose over the tops of the levees and their floodwalls and produced erosion that subsequently led to failures and breaches.'"
 * - from Hurricane Katrina: Performance of the Flood Control System, Testimony of Raymond B. Seed, Ph.D. professor of civil and environmental engineering, University of California, Berkeley, on behalf of the NSF-sponsored Levee Investigation Team, before the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, U.S. Senate.

 * Agreed. but why not simply remove the sentense "Overtopping consists of water overflowing the top of a levee, which may or may not cause that levee to breach. While overtopping was found to be the cause of many of New Orleans levee failures, other levees were breached while water was still two feet away from overtopping them." as it disrupts the flow of the article and seems without a purpose. The links to wikipedia provide plenty of information for people who want to read more about overtopping or otherwise breached levees. That way the article stays focused on the main point. --vonbergm 07:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * replace with "Overtopping consists of water overflowing the top of a levee, which can undermine/erode the levee and cause a breach"? Doldrums 08:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Still very awkward wording, taking the sentense out until there is a good substitute/reason for it. --vonbergm 20:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The Subject of This Article
Some others have stated this point, I'm restating for people who seem concerned about overtopping vs breaches, etc.

Bush made the statement that no one predicted levees would breach. Bush was briefed that levees might breach. (The footage shows specific comments regarding certain levees breaching because of overtopping.)

Some of the levees breached from overtopping, apparently, while some breached for other reasons. That does NOT change the fact that Bush was briefed about concerns that the levees would fail.

He did not state, "I don't think anyone could have predicted that the levees would have overtopped".

Regardless, this article is about two things. Bush's statement, and the taped briefing that appears to contradict that statement. Information not directly related to those two things, does not belong here.

This is an article about an event, NOT some sort of forum where people gather evidence to defend or attack Bush.

(AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 21:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC))

 * To correct myself, I think that the subject is simply Bush's credibility in the case of this particular statement. :(

 * (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 01:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

AP issues correction
AP issued a correction saying that Bush was warned of overtopping, not breaching, and that the original AP article should have made that clear.
 * Good to know. This article is not based on the AP report, but based on the video footage provided by AP so this mistake was not repeated in this article. --vonbergm 05:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Whether or not they issued a correction, Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, was quoted as saying, "Brown and other top federal officials were briefed as much as 32 hours in advance of landfall that Hurricane Katrina's storm surge was likely to overtop levees and cause catastrophic flooding"

 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501590_pf.html

 * (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 01:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

Where is the link for that correction, by the way? (Thanks...) :)

(AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 01:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

New article?
Ack! Should I have just split off a new article? Hmmmm. Let me know. I'll just move the info to a new one.

Too many moves
"Bush's Katrina statement contradicted by emerging evidence" might now be more descriptive title, but that's only after the article has evolved with the story, some week or so later. Would have been better to leave it where it was and to create a follow-up story IMO if there was new stuff to add. Frankie Roberto

 * I guess if the time/date of information was the important thing to me. The whole thing is tricky, I think.

 * The article was doing an incomplete and arguably insufficient job, based on the information that was available *at the time* the article was being developed. Any "follow-up" story would have basically been the same article, only more complete.  I.E., redundant.  Seems to me that someone would come along and say, "one of these articles needs to be deleted because they cover the same event and cite the same sources".  So we are skipping a step here, maybe.

 * Obviously, news breaking after the date of an article, warrants a new article, perhaps a follow-up article, if the breaking news is related a previous article....

 * But in this case, (to me) the question becomes: "Why not just do it right the first time?"

 * (AntelopeInSearchOfTruth 21:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC))


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Australian Greens senator Bob Brown marks 10 years in Parliament

March 2, 2006

As the Australian Prime Minister John Howard celebrated his ten-year reign this week, Greens Leader Bob Brown marked the 10th anniversary of his election into the Federal parliament. Senator Brown has outlasted 10 other party leaders: Meg Lees, Cheryl Kernot, Natasha Stott-Despoja, Brian Greig, Andrew Bartlett, all former Democrat leaders. Pauline Hanson, Len Harris of the One Nation party, plus the Australian Labor Party's Kim Beazley, Simon Crean and Mark Latham have all been and gone during that time. Only Prime Minister John Howard and Senator Bob Brown are left standing as leaders in the Australian Federal Parliament. Bob Brown was elected to the Senate in 1996, and re-elected in 2001. He has introduced bills for constitutional reform, forest protection, to block radioactive waste dumping, to ban mandatory sentencing, and greenhouse abatement.

Senator Brown says his party has hardly been in the balance of power at any stage, yet the Australian Greens have risen in popularity. "We've become the third major political party in the country and we're on our way to becoming a real power broker in this country and ultimately, the aim has to be becoming part of the Government of the country," he told ABC Radio.

While there's perpetual media speculation over John Howard's possible retirement, Senator Brown says he's full of beans and ready for the next 10 years. "And there’s no speculation about me standing at next year’s election. I can’t wait," Senator Brown said. "Our election aim will be to rescue the Senate from the Howard government, and doubling our team is not beyond reality."

The Tasmanian Greens senator predicts his party could govern the country one day. "We're on our way to becoming a real powerbroker in this country and ultimately the aim has to be becoming part of the government of the country," he said.

The Greens started with Brown's entry into the Senate after the 1996 election, doubled to two senators in 2001, and has four had senators represented since 2004.

The four Greens senators and their staff say they will celebrate with a chocolate cake – and 10 green candles. The government held a gala fundraising dinner in the Great Hall of Parliament on Wednesday night to celebrate Mr Howard's milestone.

Senator Brown said the success of Prime Minister John Howard is in his ability to play on fears. "(Howard)... is able to "dig a little bit below surface to play on fears that people have. He has presided over a country where the rich have got richer much faster than the poor have seen their conditions improve," he said. "And it is a country that says if you are down on your luck, bad luck. The good Samaritan aspect which is very strong in this country, doesn't reside with this government."

Of the Federal Labor Party the Greens leader said they should move back to humanitarian politics He said Labor was trying to swing to the right but had lost its way. "I think the Opposition has lost its way and I think it is going to get worse," Senator Brown said. "The indications are that the Opposition thinks if it moves to the right it will do better," said Senator Brown.

Bob Brown is among 20 environmentalists, organisations and concerned citizens who were issued a 216 page writ by the Tasmanian-based timber company Gunns Limited in December 2004. The woodchipping giant is sueing for a combined AU$6.3 million for actions it claims has damaged their business and reputation. The defendants say the case is 'industrial' style litigation, alleging conspiracy, interference with trade and business and defamation. Nine different campaigns are cited.


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2006 Formula 1 season starts with GP of Bahrain

March 12, 2006

The 2006 Formula One season has started with the 57 lap Grand Prix of Bahrain on the | Bahrain International Circuit in Sakhir. It is the first time since Melbourne winning the Australian GP from Adelaide in 1996 that the opening race of the season has not been held in Australia. The date was changed to avoid conflicts with the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

It is the third grand prix that has been raced at Bahrain, since it was completed in 2004. Last year's race was won by Fernando Alonso of the Renault F1 Team, who went on to win the championship.

This year the results were as follows:

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Bus crash outside Cusco kills at least 13

March 2, 2006

A bus crash outside of, Peru has killed at least 13 people, police say. The bus hit a parked car as it was leaving, outside the city of Cusco. Cusco is one of the busiest archaeological destinations in the world, which is the reason the tourists were visiting. The bus then swerved out of control and crashed sideways.

Among the dead are tourists from Bolivia, Chile, and the United States. In addition there are reportedly up to 28 people injured, including a Chilean man who had previously been reported as dead. According to the police, one of the buses was a flat bed truck modified to fit more passengers, which are illegal in Peru.


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Coca growth up in Bolivia, Peru, claims U.S. State Department

March 4, 2006

According to a U.S. State Department report, coca growth is on the rise in Bolivia and Peru, and is a cause for concern. In a statement, the Assistant Secretary of State for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs said, "We are concerned about the inability thus far of Bolivia's new president to articulate whether or not he will allow coca eradication and U.S. counter-narcotics assistance to continue."

Evo Morales was elected President in December, 2005. At the time of his electoral victory, Morales claimed that he would support coca growth, but not for use in producing cocaine.

This puts Bolivia and Peru at risk of losing financial aid if they fail to meet international narcotics agreements, according to the U.S. State Department report. The report is part of the framework on which the U.S. establishes its list of major drug-trafficking and drug-producing countries.


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Google.cn to move search records out of China

March 2, 2006

Internet search giant Google announced yesterday that it will move its servers hosting Google.cn - aimed at Chinese internet users - to the United States.

Until now the servers being in mainland China has forced Google to comply with the censorship policies of the PRC government. The reason for the move is that Google fears local officials could access the servers' search-data without the company's consent. According to Google, their policy of saving the IP addresses of its users is to gain more knowledge on how the search engine is used.

Google has been heavily criticized for agreeing to the censorship, but nonetheless admits that Chinese officials can also censor its contents through internet service providers, so refusing to remove pages from the search-index wouldn't be a solution. Google also underlines the fact that the service will let the user know when search results have been censored.


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Five dead in attack in Pakistan

March 2, 2006 Two explosions near a US consulate in Karachi, Pakistan killed five and wounded more than fifty early Thursday morning. The explosions come just prior to United States President George W. Bush's scheduled visit to the country. According to Forbes report on the incident, Pakistani officials speculated that the attack was timed to coincide with Bush's visit.

According to police, a suicide bomber apparently hit the vehicle of a United States diplomat, detonating one of the explosions. It is not clear whether a subsequent explosion was another bomb or a vehicle explosion triggered by the initial blast.

The Kuwait News Agency (KUNA) reports that a hospital in the region has confirmed at least five persons were killed in the attacks, and over fifty more were injured, including a young Moroccan girl. According to the Associated Press, among the dead was a United States diplomat, a Pakistani official who worked at the consulate, a security guard for the consulate, and an unidentified woman. The driver of the car bomb is also presumed dead.

During a press conference in New Delhi, India, President Bush stated he would still travel to Pakistan despite the explosions, saying that: "Terrorists and killers are not going to prevent me from going to Pakistan. My trip to Pakistan is an important trip. It's important to talk with President Musharraf about continuing our fight against terrorists." Bush also expressed his condolences to the individuals lost in the attack during the conference.

The Pakistani news source GEO states that the first explosion occurred at 9:05 local time (0505 UTC), with the second explosion occurring minutes afterwards. The explosions occurred at the parking lot of the Marriott Hotel in Karachi, about 60 feet (18 meters) from the consulate gate. Damage to the building as well as over ten nearby vehicles was also reported.

The Associated Press reports that the same consulate has been targeted twice in the recent past: an attack in 2002 left 14 Pakistanis dead, and in 2004 police defused a time bomb before it was set to detonate.

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Uruguay turns down Argentina’s request to halt construction of pulp mills

March 2, 2006

Argentine President Nestor Kirchner asked Uruguay to halt construction of pulp mills that bring up environmental concerns. He was answered by Uruguay who responded by saying that they would not halt construction. Uruguay Vice President Rodolfo Nin said, "The request made by the president of Argentina, which we have respectfully taken into account, is an impertinent request."

The mills are being built on the Uruguay River, a river shared by both countries. The mills cost $1.7 billion to make. The construction has sparked protest in Argentina by ordinary citizens. Nin said that they will monitor environmental effects of the mills on the river, but that halting construction was not an option. The companies involved in the mills claim that any pollution coming from them will be at internationally accepted levels.

However this is likely not over, as Kirchner claims that they might take the case to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Argentina is the shape of a circle which makes people confused. Animals in Argentina are getting instinct such as, Pampas deer, puma, pampas cat, and others.


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Officials in Mexico claim leaked Dirty War report isn't final copy

March 2, 2006

A leaked draft of a report on instances of state repression during Mexico's "dirty war" has been called into question by top officials. The document will be officially published next month. Report author, Ignacio Carrillo, assigned to the task by President Fox, commented by saying, "He will have to render his report. It will be placed in an open, public place," and "that will be there for history, but legally it's over." This being a reference to the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that it is too late to prosecute possible offenders.

Carrillo claims, however, that his report is similar to the recently leaked draft. He said, "It's not going to totally contradict the draft." The draft was published by a Mexican magazine, claiming that the public has a right to know. The basis for the report is recently declassified military documents from the years 1964 – 1982. Carrillo also claims that his work was hindered by resistance from the courts, bad resources, and people involved being unwilling to cooperate.

The Dirty War refers to the use of state terrorism in Latin America in a period from the 1960s to the 1980s, usually targeted at groups opposed to the government (usually leftist groups). Much controversy exists in the region about what is to be done with alleged offenders in the Dirty War.


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Talk:Five dead in attack in Pakistan

 * I'm unprotecting under the assumption that people can behave civilly now. Amgine, or whomever, feel free to reprotect if you see the edit war start back up.  Actually, the conversation in this talk page seems better than in the usual fights, as far as I can tell.  Nyarlathotep 21:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Sindh and Category:Karachi need to be added. Ali Rana (talk) 05:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Gopher65talk 01:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Unpublishable in this condition
Contradictions between the article and it's own sources prevent this article from being publishable;

Contradiction #1; Day of Bush visit;

Article; "The explosions come just a day before United States President George W. Bush is scheduled to visit the nation"

Source; "The explosions happened the day President George W. Bush is scheduled to arrive here."

 * Addressed --Brian McNeil / talk 21:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction #2. Moroccan girl

article; "over fifty more were injured, including a young Moroccan girl."

source; "Moroccan national girl is missing, sources said."

 * article: "Some 52 people were injured, including a young Moroccan girl who was hit by debris" - inaccurate claim. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Contradictions 3; number of bombs;

Article; "Two explosions near a US consulate in Karachi, Pakistan killed five"

Source;"Police initially said two car bombs had gone off, but provincial police chief Jahangir Mirza said that a single bomb may have triggered a second smaller explosion in a burning car."

 * Addressed --Brian McNeil / talk 21:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction #4; number of deaths

Article; "Two explosions near a US consulate in Karachi, Pakistan killed five"

Source; "killing about two people on spot and wounding over 40, a senior police official, Manzoor Mughal, told KUNA by telephone.

 * Assertion backed by second source. Title is "Two car explosions near US Consulate in South Pakistan kill over 5, wound 40". --Brian McNeil / talk 21:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Finally, Bush statement adds nothing but propaganda to the article; especially since no terrorist group has been identified. Perhaps it was just someone who was crazy or who had relatives killed by a US bomb somewhere; there is no proof at all that terrorists did this. Neutralizer 18:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Your actions aren't actionable, because you chose to make this argument on your own ignorance.
 * It is the day before, because Bush will be arriving quite late, and will not have time to visit. Note, that's visit, not arrive.
 * Forbes/AP: "Some 52 people were injured, including a young Moroccan girl who was hit by debris, said provincial government spokesman Salahuddin Haider." KUNA's article was published before the AP.
 * And here's where you screwed up. That was after the car bomb, note - only the first was denoted as a CAR BOMB.  Forbes/AP: "Police initially said two car bombs had gone off, but provincial police chief Jahangir Mirza said that a single bomb may have triggered a second smaller explosion in a burning car."
 * So what? It's attributed to him, and the statements are relevent, especially since they were the first lines of the transcript after a reporter asked him about the events in Pakistan.  Check the White House source.
 * There are no actionable objections here - absoluely none. You searched for a needle in a haystack, only to find out your needle was a pin. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 18:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Association with Bush. First source: "Two car explosions near US Consulate in South Pakistan kill over 5, wound 40," ... "Officials said the bombing could be timed for Bush's visit to Pakistan." --Brian McNeil / talk 21:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV and a prime example of anglo/american centric point of view
This article was rushed through publishing and into lead..with absolutely no collaborative work...why ??? Another car bomb somewhere in the world????

1. There is no proof or even evidence that the bombing was done by "terrorists"; it might( or even likely) have even been done by US. ops or the CIA for their geopolitical purposes (no dead body of the "suicide" bomber has been found and, suspiciously, the AP report even says; "His body was not recovered".)...1 theory is as good as any other and if somebody really wanted to threaten Bush...why not wait til he actually arrived?

2. It is conspiracy theory pushing to suggest that the attack was connected to the Bush visit. There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was connected to the Bush visit; so there should not be any of his propaganda quotes included in an article about an event that has not been shown to have anything at all to do with the USA. This did not happen in the USA; it happened in Pakistan so if you want a quote; please report one from a government leader of Pakistan.

3. The title says "near US consulate"..maybe it was near the Iranian consulate too...we don't publish tabloid type innuendo here.

Please deal with these issues before publishing and putting up in lead place again. Neutralizer 21:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You are getting really tiring. You are making your actions on the other members of the press, not this article specifically.  You are inserting your problems with the other articles without reading this article, and substituting this article for MSM.  That's a huge problem, and you need to realize it.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 21:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So when policys dont fit here? International 22:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Title still problematic
Thanks ; its much better now; but I think we all realize saying "near US consulate" is an unnecessary innuendo. I will remove that reference. Neutralizer 21:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It was less than 20 meters away. IT'S A SAFE ASSUMPTION.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 21:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would agree to rename if "According to Pakistani officials" is added. Pakistani officials can make innuendos, wikinewsians can't.  --MateoP 22:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea because we don't make assumptions here; we report events as they are...Since it was actually the Mariott attacked; perhaps we should just say that? Neutralizer 22:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear lord - you're contradicting your own comments again. Wake up; don't you see anything remotely wrong with what you just stated and your first statement?  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 22:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Mateo; I trust your judgement on the title; I have already changed it once. Neutralizer 22:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Bush quote
I reverted the edit removing the Bush quote because this is a direct response to the attacks the article is about, thus making it a relevant item for inclusion. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

"During a press conference in New Delhi, India, President Bush stated he would still travel to Pakistan despite the explosions." International 22:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * sugestion, put this last in the article:

Protected: Parties make discussion to reach compromise text.
I want the parties to this site disruption to COMMUNICATE on this talk page and reach compromise regarding possible issues with this article. DO NOT further edit this article until consensus is reached on this page. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly happy about this because there were detailed points given above and I addressed them. As soon as I'd done that and put the article back up as lead there were efforts to add in "fluff" that was to the detriment of the article and made it unclear.  I have been left with a feeling that despite trying to address the concerns of those who claim this article represented the POV of the current US administration they have continually moved the goalposts as to what is acceptable.  I feel I have gone out of my way to justify myself on items I have removed, and items I have added.  However, there always seemed to be some need to underplay the damage/death toll or twist it into something blaming the US administration for the attack.  If you raise a list of points criticising an article and they're all addressed, then is it any wonder you're thought of as interfering or disrupting if you suddenly find another lot of even more trivial reasons to colour the article with your personal perspective?  I'm sorry I lost my temper in one of my edit summaries, but this was getting ridiculous.  Incidentally, this isn't on my watchlist so this may be my final comment on this page. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the work Brian did; I just wanted to clarify that the temper loss Brian refers to happened on an edit where Brian (perhaps mistakenly) removed the President's quote, so that led me to think Brian was ok with leaving that quote out. Neutralizer 00:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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"During a press conference in New Delhi, India, President Bush stated he would still travel to Pakistan despite the explosions." In the end of article.

remove:

"During a press conference in New Delhi, India, President Bush stated he would still travel to Pakistan despite the explosions, saying that: "Terrorists and killers are not going to prevent me from going to Pakistan. My trip to Pakistan is an important trip. It's important to talk with President Musharraf about continuing our fight against terrorists." Bush also expressed his condolences to the individuals lost in the attack during the conference."

Clean and no spinn. International 23:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a quote, not a spin... I do not see an issue with it. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a compromise suggestion. If you take a stand for your point there will be no solution I guess. I take story of main lead as disputed. International 23:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * What? It provides context to the article of Bush's statements, provided in full, not paraphrased. HOW can that possibly be spin?  Please DON'T avoid questions if you bring them up.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * My suggestion dont include Bush statement just the facts, very NPOV. His statment is spinn for media and in this case it is not necessary for the article.International 23:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not making any sense. Here is a quote, taken from an official transcript, from a response of the attacks.  This is the most absolute NPOV we can get, attributing quotes back to their origination.  Paraphrasing takes away from the neutrality.  --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Look at edithistory. This is a dispute. You want the text, other dont. This is a compromise suggestion. Currently the article is published and protected. Maybe it should be put in develop if no solution surface. International 00:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 1; I'm comfortable with International's suggestion; even though I don't think Bush has anything at all to do with this story and prefer to see his name left out altogether. Neutralizer 00:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 2; The actual explosion was in the Marriott hotel parking lot; that is what the article should say. Neutralizer 00:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Why do I even bother? This isn't a discussion. A discussion would actually appear as if users would look at other's comments. I do not see this on this talk page. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 00:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * 3; Finally, either the word "suicide" should be removed or a reference to the fact that; "His body was not recovered"-AP should be included; it is misleading to say "suicide" when no body has been found for that person; he could have jumped out before impact. Neutralizer 00:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

MrM; I have read your comments; which of them do you feel is being ignored? Neutralizer 00:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Every single one of them, including the article at hand:
 * "The explosions come just prior to United States President George W. Bush's scheduled visit to the country." <- This + proximity to US consulate = relevent
 * "The explosions occurred at the parking lot of the Marriott Hotel in Karachi, about 60 feet (18 meters) from the consulate gate."
 * "According to police, a suicide bomber apparently hit the vehicle of a United States diplomat..."

--MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutralizer...until you can prove that this was not a suicide attack, which I might add thats what every media outlet is saying about at least 1 explosion, then suicude stays. Find a source that says otherwise. Jason Safoutin 01:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I get your point; especially MrM's about the reference to the Marriott; but I really don't see why we want to say "near the US consulate"..one source says a particular diplomat at the Hotel was the target. Re; suicide; don't we need a body to report a suicide? Why not mention no body has been found? Neutralizer 04:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposal re; President Bush's quote
Why not replace the Bush quote with this quote by the President of the country where the explosion happened;

"We condemn this outrage in the strongest terms," Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, said in a message transmitted from Islamabad to New Delhi. "Our authorities are investigating the incident and those responsible will be brought to justice."

The explosion has not been shown to have anything at all to do with the USA or President Bush + Bush wasn't even in the country at the time; so it's illogical to include the Bush POV. Neutralizer 13:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * This quote should be added, but I'm not sure bush's quote should go, not looked too closely at it myself. Nyarlathotep 21:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Non-Consensus Publishing Alert

 * The above is your point of view. The article is not currently protected. However, you have been warned to gain consensus before editing the published article. You have been unable, at this point, to gain that consensus from the community. This does not suggest the article is in error, but that the collaborative nature of writing here has resulted in the article expressing something with which you have a personal issue. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 22:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * No, The above is your point of view and through your inappropriate article talk page warning above you are still protecting it. In addition, your comments are factually wrong in their entirety; the first dispute arose within 3 hours of the very first edit and there was never a consensus to publish Bush's POV with this article; in fact there were more editors who were opposed to inclusion of the Bush POV than favoured it. Then the article was protected for a day (including Bush's comments) until shortly after my comment above and you are still protecting it by preventing editing of it. This article has not been published by consensus and Bush's remarks should be replaced with those of the President of the country where this event happened; Pakistan. It is silly and wrong to say the inclusion of Bush's remarks is being done collaboratively as anyone can check the history to see that is not the case at all. The only reason Bush's comments are here and not the President of Pakistan's is because you and MrM. are constantly pushing the anglo/american centric point of view. Neutralizer 02:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I do not wish to be rude, but a consistently anti-US stance is an anglo-American-centric point of view. I have not edited this article, but what I understand of the facts - a US diplomat was targeted by a suicide bomber a few metres from the US consulate - would suggest to me that the views of the US president would be relevant on the matter. I believe the comments of the host country's leader would likewise be relevant on the matter. I would certainly not remove the quotes repeatedly, claiming a consensus when on the talk page there was clearly no consensus.

 * Perhaps you should be reminded that a community consensus is when all members of the discussion have agreed to a compromise. Often this can be worked out through constructive conversations where positive suggestions are made, and editors achieve a compromise text. Where differences are intransigent you might gain agreement from all parties to ask an abiter to create a compromise text which will be accepted. In no way does consensus imply that one side of a dispute may delete en masse the text they are opposed to. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 03:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Your comments are again entirely factually wrong. You have stated often that you personally have an anti-US stance so perhaps you are talking to yourself. I have no stance in my edits other than NPOV. You make the assumption the diplomat was the target; the sources to not support your theory. The explosion was not a "few metres" from the consulate but about 70 feet away in a hotel parking lot. Your comment about "remove the quotes repeatedly" is grossly misleading. I removed the Bush quote once and then after Brian also removed it, I removed it again a second time for a total of 2. On the other hand MrM inserted the quote at least 3 times. The bottom line is that if the attack had happened in Washington some 70 feet from the Pakistan consulate, this article would not be quoting only the Pakistan leader and not the US leader and you certainly would not be warning editors not to include a quote from Bush. The anglo/american centric point of view is something you may not even notice you push for in our articles so I urge you to try to step back and be a bit more objective; and most importantly, don't make false statements about what others do, e.g."remove the quotes repeatedly" without checking the facts. Neutralizer 05:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Kenyan TV and newspaper raided by masked police

March 2, 2006

The offices of Kenya's second largest TV and newspaper companies were raided simultaneously this morning by groups of masked police officers. The TV station was taken off the air for 13 hours, and the newspaper's press was damaged and its uncirculated copies burned. The Kenyan government is characterizing the incident as an evidence-gathering step of a national security investigation, in response to the paper and station's recent alleged publishing of false material to incite ethnic hatred and instability.

The Standard, Kenya's oldest daily newspaper, and the Kenya Television Network (KTN), the paper's sister TV station, were the targets of the raid. The company that owns both outlets is the second largest media source in the country. The raid marks the first time the Kenyan government has shut down a major media outlet, and punctuates a period of increased media freedom in Kenya.

The CEO of The Standard, Tom Mshindi, has reported that his staff was "roughed up" and intimidated during the raid. The raiders, wearing gas masks and driving unmarked vehicles, did not have a warrant and did not identify themselves as police, but a Standard staffer recognized the voice of a police commander among the raiding party. Later at a press conference, Internal Security Minister John Michuki acknowledged the raid occurred as part of a "state security" investigation.

On Tuesday, February 28, three reporters from The Standard were arrested for publishing stories Saturday about an alleged secret meeting between Kenyan president Mwai Kibaki, and minister for the environment and deposed former foreign minister Kalonzo Musyoka, who has become an opposition figure to the president's policies, to resolve differences. Both Kibaki and Musyoka have denied having any such meeting.

The journalists are charged with "publishing false rumor with intent to cause alarm to the public", and have pleaded not guilty. The three were released on bail after their arraignment today.

Musyoka has expressed dismay at the government's actions, pointing out that there are standard legal recourses to such media actions that should be used, rather than a police attack.

KTN and The Standard have been increasingly critical of the president, who is seen by many as losing touch with the country.

The Standard was able to repair presses and produced a special edition late in the day. KTN also returned to the air in the afternoon, showing footage of the Standard raid. Both outlets reportedly had equipment removed or damaged during the raids, including computers, security cameras, and a backup power supply.


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South Africa to meet with Hamas representatives

March 2, 2006

Palestinian extremist group Hamas has been invited to meet with representatives of the South African government. Hamas won the Palestinian legislative counsel elections of January 2006 by a landslide and is now faced with forming a government and strained ties to European Union and the United States, which classify it as a terrorist organization responsible for several suicide attacks.

The South African deputy foreign minister Aziz Pahad confirmed on Thursday that the country is preparing a meeting with the controversial group. According to Pahad South Africa wishes to share its experiences on the transformation from the Apartheid-era to democracy with the Palestinians and Israel. South Africa also sees it important to keep in contact with Hamas in the search for peace in the Middle East. Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spookesman said that there is no date for talks with South Africa yet. Israel criticized the South African invitation.

Russia has invited leaders of the Hamas for talks, which will begin on Friday. The Russian invitation was the first one after the elections of January 2006. However, Russia has put Hamas under pressure to recognize Israel and renounce violence. There have been talks between Hamas leaders and the Turkish foreign minister, Abdullah Gul. Another invitation for talks with Hamas came from Venezuela.

Israeli foreign ministry spokesman voiced his ministry's concerns that "giving legitimacy to an unreformed Hamas" could turn the movement "from a terrorist organization to a political party".


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Costa Rica falls to Iran in football friendly

March 2, 2006

In an exhibition warmup to the 2006 FIFA World Cup, Iran defeated Costa Rica in Tehran's Azadi Stadium. Iran built up a 3 goal lead in the first 34 minutes and never looked back. The final score was Iran 3, Costa Rica 2.

Ali Karimi began by scoring in the 10th minute, Ali Daei in the 16th, and Vahid Hashemian in the 34th. For Costa Rica Carlos Hernandez scored in the 44th minute just before half-time, and Danny Fonseca scored in the 60th, but the visitors were unable to score again to tie the match.

This June, both teams will be in Germany to compete in the finals of the FIFA World Cup. Costa Rica have been drawn in Group A, while Iran are in Group D.


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Duke upset by FSU

March 1, 2006

The No. 1 ranked Duke Blue Devils lost to the unranked Florida State Seminoles 79-74 at FSU.

The loss drops the Blue Devils to 27-2 (14-1 in the ACC) while FSU improves to 18-8 (8-7 in the ACC).

The Seminoles were led by Al Thornton, who was 15 for 16 at the freethrow line and scored 26 points in 36 minutes of play. Alexander Johnson brought in 22 points for FSU, shooting 10 of 13 at the line and bringing in 13 rebounds.

Senior J.J. Redick led the Blue Devils with 30 points, including 4 three point shots, and fellow senior Shelden Williams had 20 points and 16 rebounds.

Florida State fans swarmed the court with 1.7 seconds left to play, when the team was ahead 77-72. Duke coach Mike Krzyzweski sent all but the 5 Blue Devil players on the court to the locker room. The Seminoles were assessed a team technical foul, and Redick shot two free throws before play commenced.

This marks Duke's first ACC loss of the season. In an earlier matchup, Duke narrowly escaped FSU at Cameron Indoor Stadium 97-96 in overtime.

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It would be wonderful if there were a mention of what sport this refers to... -68.162.222.88 19:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Too controversial as to which term should be used. --MateoP 19:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Better any football term than none: I thought the article was about a trade fair until I read the body text. --Baumfabrik 02:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


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Natural gas discovered in Chile according to President Ricardo Lagos

March 2, 2006 On Thursday, President Ricardo Lagos announced the discovery of natural gas resources in southern Chile. The newspaper El Mercurio claims that this discovery could account for up to 25 percent of the country's natural gas needs. The discovery, found in Magallanes, could mean less dependence on foreign energy, specifically natural gas imported from Argentina. Currently Chile imports 97 percent of its natural gas and 98 percent of its oil. Magallanes has been an important producer of gas in the past, but resources were thought to have been exhausted until this discovery.

Lagos was interviewed by the local Radio W, where he said that the discovery could help them meet consumption of natural gas in the country, as well as help Methanex, a methanol company that has had difficulty finding enough natural gas for import. The situation has caused Lagos to have Chile's state owned gas company, ENAP, build a plant for conversion of liquid gas. In addition, they have considered importing natural gas from Bolivia, Trinidad and Tobago, Australia, and Indonesia.


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This one should also be one of the leads, but I'm not going to do it myself since the image will come out all wrok with those strange dimensions. Nyarlathotep 20:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


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This shoud be longer than a sentence and should have more than one source. Jason Safoutin 20:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You've probably just edit conflicted with MateoP by tagging it, have some patience. Nyarlathotep 20:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If so then I apologize :) Jason Safoutin 20:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Seem not, he says its breaking, and it sounds like its a big deal. Probably should let it stay published for a while (6 hours?).  You can depublish it later on if nobody adds anything.  It will eventually need to be updated, but I think MateoP is responcible about such things.  Nyarlathotep 20:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. I have no issue with that at all. :) Jason Safoutin 20:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Huh?
I can't ascertain what the meaning of this sentence should be:

In addition they have considered important gas from Bolivia, Trinidad and Tobago, Australia, and Indonesia.

It should be either In addition, they have considered natural gas imported from Bolivia, Tinidad and Tobago, Australia, and Indonesisa to be important. (if it's supposed to mean that the gas is important) or In addition, they have considered importing natural gas from Bolivia... (if they have considered getting gas from there). — Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  00:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The latter is correct. I have changed it accordingly. -MescalineBanana 00:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Michelle Bachelet
Lagos is no longer the president of Chile. From Wikipedia: "Michelle Bachelet, a Socialist moderate, was elected President on January 15, 2006, beating her closest rival Sebastián Piñera." Not sure why AP got this wrong.[] Braincandle 20:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * That's because Bachelet only became President today. --201.214.76.106 19:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Single source
This archived article seems to be a single source. Just two different websites with the same Associated Press article by the exact same title. --SVTCobra 22:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
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 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:Mr. Tinker


text:
User talk:Tabish~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Tabish. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Tabish~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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title: User talk:Tabish~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Chupacaba~enwikinews

Welcome
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Chupacaba. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Chupacaba~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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title: User talk:Chupacaba~enwikinews


text:
User talk:DarkestBlade~enwikinews

Welcome
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called DarkestBlade. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name DarkestBlade~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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title: User talk:DarkestBlade~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Manas k

Welcome
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title: User talk:Manas k


text:
User talk:Adesh.pednekar

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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title: User talk:Adesh.pednekar


text:
User talk:Ngenomal~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
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 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Ngenomal. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Ngenomal~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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title: User talk:Ngenomal~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Jthrumston

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
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title: User talk:Jthrumston


text:
User talk:Drandles~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Drandles. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Drandles~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Drandles~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Missd

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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title: User talk:Missd


text:
User talk:P0001~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
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 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called P0001. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name P0001~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:P0001~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Sati~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
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 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Sati. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Sati~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Sati~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Anothermoron~enwikinews

Welcome
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 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Anothermoron. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Anothermoron~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Anothermoron~enwikinews


text:
User talk:Erudition~enwikinews

Welcome
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Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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 * Introduction - overview of the site
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 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Newsroom - The comunity portal
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * And of course, stories need writing!

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Erudition. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Erudition~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Erudition~enwikinews