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Talk:Complaints lodged, police helpless as "boobs on bikes" parade happens in New Zealand

OR Notes
I know it's obvious from the article that this is original reporting, but without something here, you have a red link in the OR template. --Thunderhead - (talk) 03:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was so cool!!! --Nzgabriel | Talk 03:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And you guys don't invite me... terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 04:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

really, try
Hi,

This might be antagonistic, but I really don't want to check my regular news site to find out some 16-year old went to a parade to see women's breasts. This is why there is an age limit on pornography. You are not special and this event was not special. It's a depressing statement about Wikinews.

You didn't even pretend there was social significance. It was just advertising for the local sex trade. Do you know any girls your age? If you don't, you realize that means the prostitutes on parade are probably undermining your emotional development, and that is not "so cool"?

"Accreditation" does not lend legitimacy to anything.

Potatoswatter 11:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * First off, I've removed the details about Gabriel, as this is entirely relevant. I know that this may sound hypocritical, as I've been mentioning all about Mueller in every story he shoots, but in that sort of instance, I'm hoping the public will suggest other events they'd like to see him at, with this it just seemed a little irrelevant.

 * More importantly, I've expanded the article to include comments from the city council, police, and event organizers, discussing the legalities of bare-breastedness and holding a public procession without a license. --  Zanimum 15:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Potatoswatter, if you're not interested in a story like that just don't read it. There's really no need for remarks like that. What you're suggesting is pittyful, Gabriel doesn't deserve to be treated like that. I hope you act as a grown-up.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews is pronography now??
I see...so now not only do we allow swearing in Wikinews articles, we allow nudity? Since when have we become a prono site? I think that the choice of images used needs to be looked at very carefully. I think its possible that legal implications me evolve from this and could cause some issues. I am NOT against the article nor its Original Reporting, but I just don't think that a lot of these images are required to be in the article given their "statue." DragonFire1024 19:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there is no need for the pornographic images, im sure people fully understand the point of the parade without the visuals.Dark Squall 19:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It ain't porn if it don't hurt the servers. Sysadmins & such will obviously delete any image which produces excessive traffic. I see no legal issues here since it's a parade. If your still worried, these women are likely porn stars, and thus famous, and thus their privacy is not protected by American courts. Now I see some gramatical errors in the story and "her boobs on bike" isn't a nice photo caption, but I'd say keep the photos. And heck looks like the author intentionally picked only unattractive participants. Nyarlathotep 19:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats tnot the point ugly or not and that would be regarded as highly POV. The point the new user above (Potatoswatter?) made is what if a person UNDER 18 views the images? Thats the legal implication. We do NOT ask the ages of users and for them to view pornographic material WITHOUT a disclaimer, and without the consent of a legal adult thats illegal. We do not know how many people under 18 read Wikinews and we don't know how many are going to now use the site for their own "personal pleaseure". I am sorry, but if you want to show boobs or any part of a naked human body, upload them to a porn site. Are we going to add a disclaimer or a redirect asking if the viewer is 18? This is Wikinews.org not Wikiporn.org DragonFire1024 19:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikinews is not censored, if we tittilate a few 14-year olds I don't care. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Simple nudity that doesn't even show the primary sexual characteristics certainly isn't illegal to display. There's still a thing called the "First Amendment to the United States Constitution". Whether we should display them is of course an entirely different matter. --+Deprifry+ 19:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The first amendment does not allow for people to go running around naked and showing their boobs. its called indecent exposure. And its not censorship its PORN and thats a difference. if I wanted to see porn I would visit sex.com or something. DragonFire1024 19:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether people are allowed to run around naked is a matter of local jurisdiction and not important for the issue at hand. The issue is whether we as a site subjected to the law of the United States are allowed to show pictures of people running around naked and that we certainly are. I refer you to Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union. --+Deprifry+ 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I totally agree with DragonFire1024. These are even disgusting to people older than 18. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I refer you to the law known as indecent exposure. And any of these woman would have been arrested in this country. They get arrested in Mardi Gras for exposure and this would be nothing differnt. To say that any of you could care less about what kids or people read Wikinews is BS. If you did not care why are any of you here? I care and I also do not see any point to nudity on Wikinews PERIOD. This is on a borderline . If you want to get into free speech laws, then we can start to publish editorials...which is what I think this falls under more than news. Sr8 gay or whatever, young or old, I am 26 and I see no need for nude photos. DragonFire1024 20:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if they allowed it in New Zealand. It only matters if we let these disgusting photos stay on Wikinews. I know Nzgabriel meant well by doing some local original reporting, but these photos are disturbing. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. DragonFire1024 20:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that half our contributors need to grab a dictionary and look up "Pornography". If you're American and prudish, tough noogies, we get boobs in adverts on a regular basis here in Europe (think shower product adverts), the ridiculously prudish standards that I see in the prudish preceding comments are only common in the US and Islamic countries.  Guys, grow up and learn to admire the human body.  It is one of nature's finest pieces of engineering. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But Wikinews is international. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Trust me...I admire the human body...in ways that you would not want to know about...unless you are gay like me. I admit...I look at porn and penises and asses and other stuff all the time...on porn sites...NOT wikinews. That is Europe. Its not my fault they don't have exposure laws. I am far from prude, and again in ways that you would not want to know. DragonFire1024 20:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So what's the problem with the article? Is just a few bits of flesh and nothing that I - as a heterosexual - would describe as particularly arousing.  I simply don't see what all the fuss is about, a few boobs do a hell of a lot less damage than labelling countries as an "axis of evil". --Brian McNeil / talk 20:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong? i do not want to see porn on a news site that has readers under 18 and users too. Arousing or not its NOT what i want to see while reading NEWS. I never labled anyone the axis of evil. The President of the US did, and I did NOT vote for him therefore he does NOT speak for me...and to compare those to is just ridiculous becuase they are two totally different situations. I ahve to go to my real job now...sorry and I hope this gets fixed. DragonFire1024 20:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm from Canada, not Europe. We do not like seeing naked pics. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The only photos I want removed are the really revealing ones. This is a (IMO) a good comprimise. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While I agree with DragonFire on this issue, I think a good comprimise (that Brian and other users would agree on) would to only remove the really revealing ones. I also think that reporting on the "boobs on bikes" parade is worthless. The Wikipedia article states that it is only to market to adults. However, if the women were doing this for a good cause (e.g. to stop lung cancer, etc) then it would be a good story to report on. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  21:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Our official policy from Content disclaimer, is:

"... ...Wikinews's current policy is to include such content, provided it breaches neither any of our existing policies (especially Neutral point of view) nor the laws of the state of Florida in the United States, where Wikinews is hosted."
 * Wikinews contains many different images, some of which are considered objectionable or offensive by some readers. For example, some articles contain graphical depictions of violence, or depictions of human anatomy.

It isn't illegal, it does not breach our existing policies, its relevant to the story (We would include pictures of other similar events), and not including it might by a violation of npov as we are assuming that all viewers have the same definition of what is or is not offensive. As long as it has a warning before going to anything offensive its fine by me imho. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is about morals and such. If we do this, then what is to stop it all from happening in the future? I see that Brian again failed to respect disruption rules by removing tags to articles. If this article is not cleaned up and the pornographic materil removed then I will request it be deleted. This is disturbing and appalling. If you want to be aroused by nudity then look at porn. Wikinews is not an Playboy or WikinewsPorn.org.' DragonFire1024 19:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We published the Muhammad drawings. To me that is way way more offensive then this will ever be (And I'm not even of that religion). The big question is whose morals. We're supposed to be global. Well not everyone on the globe finds this offensive. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes and Yes Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 02:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Comedy Boobs
Too bad this isn't a comedy site, because this shit makes me laugh. The photo section is brilliant.

Tag NPOV
Since a number of users dispute the images of the article, or at least some images, I have tagged the article as NPOV as we are in disagreement about what is and is not allowed to be presented. DragonFire1024 20:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have removed the tag, anyone who find the images on this story offensive should be checked into hospital for terminal prudishness. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Removing tags is considered disruption...others agree to have them removed...the tag is there WITH merit. So check me in. DragonFire1024 20:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of adding the NPOV tag I added the cleanup tag. I gues I'm going to the hospital because I don't like porn. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  20:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I have removed the tag (again). Can someone give me a damn good reason why this should be heading towards deletion? Yes, I like boobs. No these aren't all pictures of nice ones, no I don't consider one of the images porn. Would those who're doing the Mary Whitehouse impression care to divulge their ages? --Brian McNeil / talk 21:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Perhaps we should take a sip of TEA and look at the Wiktionary definition of porn? For my opinion, perhaps we could put all these images on Commons, and have a link to it, warning users under 18? --Thunderhead - (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  21:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * ""...with the main purpose being to sexually please the viewer.""

- Wiktionary I doubt that this was intended to sexually arouse anyone, although it probably did... --Thunderhead - (talk) 21:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, my 2 cents, personally I am opposed to this parade, however it is news, and it has been all over New Zealand media. If this is not allowed, then material from Iraq should not be allowed Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Well they should probably be in a gallery at commons either way. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Note, wikipedia has several articles with pornographic pictures on them. (And big long debates on the talk page as well...) Bawolff ☺☻ 03:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * captions need to go - "Face and boobs." and "Another side on view of a hot lady." don't cut it. i don't see the need for the extensive picture gallery. previously when we ran them (cherry blossoms, if i remember), either the pictures or the subject were worth it. don't think its the case here. we don't need to use every picture taken of an event.

 * there's a "Boobs on Bikes" parade and nobody has anything to say about objectification? lets get some reporting as well as pictures into the article. Zanimum has made a good start already. — Doldrums(talk) 06:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I've gotten rid of many of the captions. I think no caption is best with many. --  Zanimum 14:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Im in the news
Hi (I have been away for over 24 hours so I have not been able to participate in discussions), I am in a 3 News video in the background while they were interviewing some girls about what they thought about the parade. Video here: http://www.tv3.co.nz/Home/Video/National/tabid/249/articleID/22272/Default.aspx?articleID=22272#vidlist22272. I am the one holding the camera, and with the blue "no fear" bag. --Nzgabriel | Talk 07:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's cool. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have now found another video of me, kind of better in some ways. It can be found on stuff.co.nz here: http://stuff.co.nz/videoplayer/98925a15455.html. Sadly I wasn't interviewd, I can be seen sitting on the ground waiting for the parade next to some photographers and an Asian. --Nzgabriel | Talk 00:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

On images
There's nothing wrong with the photos per se. Wikinews is not censored, just like Wikipedia. The idea that pictures of a woman's breasts are "pornographic" is utterly bizarre. The captions need editing, though, and the specific "close-up of nipple" is over the top.--Eloquence 08:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Right...so when I see naked people running around I will upload them...so where can I look at Porn on Wikinews...oh wait I am...if you want to not follow laws and discretion then fine. You guys are unbelieveable. DragonFire1024 19:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * No, I'm European. The problem is prudish Americans.  Things like women sunbathing topless are commonplace around the Mediterranean coast.  I suppose you also take offense at women breastfeeding in public. 14-year old children will be titillated with this article, same as they'll go and look up breast on wikipedia.  To give an example of how laid back about boobs Europeans are, you'll get to see them in adverts for shower products - yup nekkid women in the shower, in the commercials, and not always late at night. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Nope...woman breast feeding is a survival mechanism... flshing your tits around is not. So Wikinews has to influence or cause a child or underage person to do illegal stuff or to be bad? I thought we were supposed to set an example. DragonFire1024 19:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Breastfeeding, until the most recent century at least, was a biological necessity. In a story about breastfeeding, it would be entirely appropriate to include a relevant image. As for setting an example, I'm not sure that is the case. We should aim to set an example for the journalism community, possibly, but not for society as a whole.

 * Regarding Brian's comments about "nekkid" women in ads, or as we English speakers call them "naked", like commercials air on North American channels. However, we use artful descretion. By using tricky camera angles, we avoid showing the nipples and pubic areas. By not showing these areas, viewers are allowed to use their imaginations and fill in the details. --  Zanimum 21:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * From: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/boobs-on-bikes-bid-for-oz/2007/03/02/1172338867654.html Parade was held/sponsored by: Christchurch's Erotica Lifestyles Expo. AKA the porn industry. A porn parade by the porn industry to do what? Promote porn. DragonFire1024 22:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I think Eloquence summarises it perfectly. I don't think there is a legal problem. The captions and such have been improved and the article is a lot better now. It's not porn, YouPorn is porn, this is just nudity and news. There is clearly a difference in standards and moral, and little consensus. Since it's tradition to allow this on Wikimedia projects, I think it should stay.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
If you want to remove tags during a dispute then its disruption. There are sveral who dispute this article. Disputes are not solved by removing tags on articles where there are disputes. I put it back up so sue me then. I see nothing that was resolved here. DragonFire1024 20:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am removing the tag and will revert attempts to restore it. I count less than 5 opposed to the images and over 10 neutral to in favour. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you continue to do so then that is disruption. A dispute is a dispute. Solve it. As an involved party brian, you should know better. DragonFire1024 20:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Efforts to deal with people over moral issues are pointless, you aren't going to change your morals and find this story acceptable, I ain't going to come round to seeing why this should not be published as it is. You, FelloWikinews, and some guy I've never seen before object whereas we have a considerable number of people who do not share your view that this is offensive.  At least one picture has already been removed from the gallery already, I am restoring the date bump, removing the cleanup tag and marking the article as ready since you object to its publishing. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Our readers are our team. Without them we are nothing. You continue to ignore the concerns and the dispute. This is disruption. You cannot ignore the concerns of me, FellowWikinews. Drak Squall, Potatoswatter regardless of how new or old they are. DragonFire1024 20:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I give up. You guys just want to keep removing tags and keep ignoring the concerns. Apparently it does not matter who or how many dispute something it seems you don't give a crap anyways. DragonFire1024 21:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true. I just don't have hangups about partial nudity. I'd let my 12 year old son look at this article - as it is now with lots of pictures removed - or as it was before when I tried to publish it.  I suppose you think that'd be child abuse? --Brian McNeil / talk 21:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And then if you got caught letting that happen, you would be arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. DragonFire1024 21:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not in Belgium, and I doubt it'd be the case in most parts of the United States. However, I'm beginning to see why there was such an outcry over Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction".  As I already stated, my 12-year old can see adverts equally as graphic as the pictures on this article, and - to be honest (but not serious) - I kinda wonder if you should just ask your ISP to cancel your Internet connection if this bothers you, there's worse - and petabytes of it.  We now have a warning at the top of the article, it is long enough that most people will have to scroll down to get to the pictures, you have to click on them to get a clear view of the boobies, and I can probably find something far more explicit with less effort.  That's as far as I think the less prudish amongst us should compromise. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not care...Porn is porn...if you want to be a sickoo and let your 12 y/o look at them thats your problem. A disclaimer in small print...yeah right...thats really helpful. And again the tags were removed without merit. Whatever...you guys apparently do not care about what anyone thinks. DragonFire1024 22:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Well when you guys decide that the opinion of others is valid, then maybe I will come back to Wikinews. But until then I am gonig to leave for a bit. I am ashamed that no one cares about the concerns and ashamed that porn is allowed on Wikinews. This is a disgrace. DragonFire1024 22:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Just so you know, and to remind you if you did, I am 16, I know people my own age who were there as well. If a 10 year old was there, then they would be able to watch the 'parade' as it was in the public, and no "R18" laws could apply. And just so you know I am sort of outraged that some of those photographs were removed! --Nzgabriel | Talk 22:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Disputed
This article is disputed and the concerns have been ignored. Apparently the concerns of Wikinews users has no bearring anymore. So much for a collaborating news site. DragonFire1024 22:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove the actual pictures, and post a link to the Commons gallery, so that anyone going there has done it on thier own. Feel free to revert me. --Thunderhead - (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you do before I've finished writing this comment I'll revert. I strongly believe we should treat all our readers as adults, and if you find something offensive in a newspaper you should simply turn the page.  Whilst DragonFire1024 is insistent that his concerns have been ignored, numerous pictures have been removed from the article. Other contributors, including board members, have given their opinion and no compromise has been offered by those who've arbitrarily decided the pictures are porn. Current version is what should stay. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. --Thunderhead - (talk) 22:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally believe that we should not censor stuff for the simple reason as to what is offensive differs between people (For example, apparently some parts of the world feel that women should wear veils. obviously we're not going to censor women not wearing veils.) However warnings about partial nudity are fine in this case (IMHO). But if you're going to have warnings though, I would like to strongly suggest having one warning, at the top, or before the pictures, wherever, but having two warnings looks stupid. Also since it seems like not all the pictures are here (Which is okay, as not all of them may be relevant or needed), perhaps should be in the sources section (In addition to having some (or all) of the pictures in the article) so readers can click if they want more pictures. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, i just did that. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I feel that the pictures don’t add to the article, while I do not agree with censorship i feel that there is nothing to be gained from leaving the 4 picture that are currently there on the page. while they don’t seem to show anything offensive, they also fail to capture much of the parade or crowd and  as such I feel that they should be deleted to improve the article not to censor it!--Xbehave 15:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Dragon, as a project of the Wikimedia family, Wikinews is not censored (there are plenty of images that are significantly more prurient than this in Commons). Wanting Wikinews to be censored is not an actionable objection, because it isn't and will not be. It is like an objection to the principle of NPOV.--Eloquence 15:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

News value of images
Personally I don't have any problem with images of breasts on this site, but I do think the images should have some news value. People can view the rest of the images on Commons if they want.

I've tried to take a critical look at the images. The overall quality for usage in a news report is a bit average (not that I could do better, but as Gabriel admitted, he is just an amateur photographer, unlike Mueller, for example). Here are my motives for changing the pictures (the edit summary didn't provide enough space). Numbers refer to the image titles.
 * 11 and 13 are poor copies of 12
 * 4: who cares which news crew was there?
 * 16 more informative then 17
 * 25: close ups like that don't really add anything to our knowledge of news, do they?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 * good work! — Doldrums(talk) 19:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While I am neutral in this POV debate, I'm going to go ahead and say that Gabriel did some good journalism, and took good pictures. I agree with you, Steven. --Thunderhead - (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Thunderhead for the nice comment, and Steven for the nice captions. The pictures could have been better, but I was in a rush and didn't bother doing pre-auto focus. --Nzgabriel | Talk 03:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


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NHL: Shorthand a success in Penguins win over Rangers

March 1, 2007

Today, the Pittsburgh Penguins took on the in, New York.

struck first for New York, with following suit in the final 2:30 to give the Rangers a comfortable 2-0 lead at the end of the second period. Staal's shorthanded goal came 76 seconds into the final period, with Staal beating Rangers goaltender with a soft forehand shot. Penguins winger continued the shorthanded show, scoring less than 2:00 later with a bad angle shot, which would ricochet off of Lundqvist's pad.

When all momentum had seemingly crossed to the Penguins, Blair Betts fired a goal to restore New York's lead at 3-2. tied it up again late in the 3rd, with a blistering shot on a Penguins power play to level the score at 3-3. In the shootout, not a single score occurred until NHL scoring leader took the ice. With the shootout tied 0-0, and a point on the line, Crosby beat Lundqvist, lifting Pittsburgh to victory. The game was not a total loss for the Rangers, though, as they picked up a precious point by forcing overtime.

Penguins rookie wasn't supposed to make the team, and once he did make it, he wasn't expected to contribute more than assisting on the penalty kill and filling in on the fourth line. Not much could be expected of an 18 year old rookie not named Sidney Crosby. That was the premise before the season started, at least. Now, heading into the stretch run toward the NHL Playoffs, Staal leads not just rookies, but the entire National Hockey League in shorthanded goals, after notching his 6th of the season, his 26th total goal.

Three Stars of the Game

 * #1 -, C, PIT - Shootout goal
 * #2 -, LW, NYR - 2 Assists
 * #3 -, C, PIT - SH Goal

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US: Several NFL stars released from their teams

March 2, 2007

Several players in the National Football League are packing their bags. Topping the list is Steelers linebacker Joey Porter. Porter was considering holding out of training camp for a new deal, and the Steelers needed breathing room to fit under the salary cap. Porter, called the "Most Feared Player in the NFL" by Sports Illustrated last fall, had a disappointing 2006 campaign, with only seven sacks.

The New Orleans Saints released Joe Horn by his own request. Horn was a fan favorite, standing up for the city when the team was forced to evacuate following Hurricane Katrina. Horn is also known for infamously pulling a cell phone out of a goal post in a post-touchdown celebration.

As expected, the Dallas Cowboys cut quarterback Drew Bledsoe, although Cowboys owner Jerry Jones did not rule out Bledsoe returning at a lower salary, stating: "I spoke with Drew today and told him that this was primarily a cap decision and that the door was very much open for him being a part of our future." Bledsoe, a former first pick in the draft, was pushed out of his job by Tony Romo after a terrible first half in 2006.

The San Francisco 49ers released wide receiver Antonio Bryant, after Bryant had several clashes with the law, as well as 49ers head coach Mike Nolan. Bryant lead San Francisco with 40 receptions for 733 yards. Bryant's short career with the 49ers ended in a four-game suspension to end the season.

San Diego Chargers wide receiver Keenan McCardell was among those released Thursday. The 37 year old receiver had 36 catches for the Chargers last year, his 15th NFL season. The Chargers also released safety Terrance Kiel and linebacker Steve Foley. Kiel had pleaded guilty last month to felony and misdemeanor drug charges. Foley had been shot this past year by a police officer.

Notable Resignings

 * Mike Alstott, who considered retirement, resigned with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
 * Jerrico Cotchery signed a long-term contract with the New York Jets.
 * The Jacksonville Jaguars signed running back Fred Taylor through 2010.


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User talk:Wjmoore17

Welcome
Hey, I'm always open to construtive criticizm. I don't know if I spelled criticizm right or not, so feel free to angrily attack that. Anyway, I am rather new here, I suppose, and I'm still learning the ropes. I've finally tackled Wikipedia, and I'm out for a new adventure. Go ahead and tell me what I did wrong and what you fixed. Or, just drop me a line. Just start a new Level 2 Headline with your comment under it. Really, it's okay. I value your feedback, as well as your editing skill. Thanks! --wjmoore 05:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Article titles
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I'd like to compliment you on your NHL stories, they turn out quite nicely. Here are some more tips to write even better stories; most of them relate to formatting conventions on Wikinews, which come with experience:
 * First of all, you can use the MatchScore template to summarize the score at the top of the page.
 * Very important: don't sign your articles! It's a common mistake as I made it on my first story on Wikipedia too [[Image:smiley.png|15px]]. Anyway, you should always sign talk pages, but never on article pages. Articles are written collaboratively by all contributors, so nobody really 'owns' them. Anyone can come and re-write your text.
 * There are quite some nice images on Commons, which you can retrieve by clicking the images on the Wikipedia articles you link to, and see which of them have a free licence and thus are available on Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository from Wikimedia.
 * We generally don't use tags like MADISON SQUARE GARDEN, NEW YORK, NY. Instead, I've just put that info in a normal sentence.
 * Facts should generally be put in the beginning of the article, and analysis at the bottom: that's why I've changed the order of your paragraphs.
 * Sources should always be formatted using the source template.
 * External links, which should be put below the sources, should be formatted without a semicolon (= | ). Just compare by clicking both links
 * | New York Rangers Official Site | New York Rangers Official Site
 * New York Rangers Official Site New York Rangers Official Site
 * And, as Brian said above, I've changed the title to downstyle capitalization instead of the camelcase you used. You can change titles by clicking the "rename"-tab at the top of each page, similar to the edit-button.

Might seem like a lot of comments, but newbies are allowed to make mistakes, we don't bite the newbies! And as you probably noted, I haven't changed a word to your article because I think it's pretty neat! Just to warn you that sports writing traditionally is very contradicting with our neutral point of view policy, so watch out that you don't write too much subjectively.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Look forward to see more great sports stories from you!

enjoy Wiki, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * PS: These comments refer to your story NHL: Shorthand a success in Penguins win over Rangers. I made similar changes to your latest story, but I also had to unpublish you latest story US: Several NFL stars released from their teams. As you can see on the bottom of that page, you should use multiple sources, most importantly because you could get sued by the Associated Press because the clearly forbid their stories to be re-written! So it's kinda for your own protection that you should avoid AP if you can, and at least use multiple sources.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sports coverage
A project page has been added for sports coverage at Sports coverage, as one of our sports contributors please stick some details there and add it to your watchlist. The general idea is that it can be a water cooler for sports writers, and a place to coordinate setting up Portal:Sports. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Accredited reporter template

 * Just as an aside on the template, you're probably well on the way to earning it. Stick your nose in on the mainstream news and start participating in the policy discussions.  That little extra involvement with the community is likely to see you easily able to gain the accreditation status.  And it might get you press passes to local games. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work
I see you're still with us, and still writing great sports articles. I couldn't resist doing a minor edit on your Wikipedia user page... Hope you don't mind. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 15:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I concur, i enjoy reading your hockey articles especially. I've been really out of touch with hockey since i got into soccer, so its nice to get a little info now and then! Also, I like the Penguins because of Crosby, he's a hero up here in Canada :P—Dark Squall 02:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Links
Hi there, i changed the links on your user page to internal links. Just use double brackets instead of single and you only have to list the article title. its quicker to do and since theres no need for an external link anyway, its more useful. Hope you dont mind.—Dark Squall 02:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem bud, glad i didnt screw anything up :) —Dark Squall 03:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Leafs v Pengs article
No problem with finishing it up, hope i did a good job. Thanks for mentioning it! I've started finishing off other peoples sports articles lately because people have been complaining that sports isnt news, and im shoving it in their faces. I'll continue to help out with your articles any way i can. I simply posted the article on your page because i was bored :/ —Dark_Squall 00:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Tables
Hey there, im glad you liked the table, i was hoping you would! anyways, i don't actually make the tables, i simply copy and paste them from the soccer pages that were already made and then change them to fit the situation. this is the one i used: Template:EPL short, and other ones you might want to look at are: Template:EPL, Template:EPL Scorers and Template:Football results short. Anytime you want to use one, just copy paste, change heading (with the !!) and change info (with the | -, etc.) and you can really spruce up articles. hope it helps! —Dark_Squall 03:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Stanley Cup 2007
Now appears on main page in place of the cricket world cup. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Hockey Playoff Articles
Hey bud, im glad to see your doing all the game articles, really good job. I just wanted to mention to make sure your putting the sports category on each one, i think there were three you missed. Its not a big deal, i can easily change it, i just have a auto-list on my page using the cat:sports, so it makes it easier for me. So if you remember, i would appreciate it. Again, great job on the articles. —Dark_Squall 02:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

My RFA
Your welcome for the thing above ^, but i noticed something else. You voted for me on my RFA, and i do appreciate it, but I am not the one doing cricket articles. I believe its Shyam you are thinking of, i do Football stories for the most part. Just wanting to let you know so that your vote is a fair one. Thanks for the support. —Dark_Squall 02:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't feel stupid, its very understandable if you don't follow either, thanks again for the support! —Dark_Squall 03:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Better image
Hey, I did you a favor, I made the Stanley cup logo transparent and re-uploaded it in PNG, since GIF doesn't handle transparency without showing some sucky artifacts. I hope you don't mind. ;) --TUFKAAP 21:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

No to NHL on Front Page
I really have to object. Does the whole world really care about hockey or cricket? No, it should be off the main page. Soccer (Football) on the other hand should be as it is played around the world. 24.10.79.213 01:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * [hope you don't mind me steping into this conversation] We put tournements which we have a series of articles on on the main page. (in the past we've done olympics and others). Is there a soccer tournament currently ongoing. If so, then perhaps you should write a thing on talk:Main Page about adding soccer. Bawolff ☺☻ 02:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's ok, its just that not everyone (or at least a large portion of people) care about hockey, on the otherhand there are many more Soccer fans out there (as an example I don't quite care about it either). I just find it annoying to sift through hockey crud to find some real news. 24.10.79.213 05:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I really can't say I like to watch Soccer. I guess it's just a difference in opinion. Nothing can be done about that. --wjmoore 03:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is statistically, not many people watch hockey as opposed to Soccer/Cricket (Neither of which I actually like). 76.20.24.75 22:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Major events like the Stanley cup and cricket are on the main page because of their significance and they have lots of articles. Unless there is a specific reason, other than personal opinion and POV that these sections should not be on the main page, then they will remain. DragonFire1024 23:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is statistically, not many people are sheep - or chavs - and therefore think that watching football/soccer is only marginally more interesting than that other version of football played in the USA.

Thank You
I just want to say thanks for cleaning up my articles and if you see any more problems,please fix them. Thank You.--Sumerset 10:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia Pennsylvania
Hello there!

I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: Wikimedia Pennsylvania. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can: Thanks and I hope you sign up!  Cbrown1023  talk  16:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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User:Theirishpianist

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Look who's back!! :)

I am returned, after a variety of personal reasons forced me to take an extended absence from WN. For the next few weeks my presence may still be spotty but I'm going to try to stick around as much as possible. I am excited to be back, however!

About me
I am a 24-year old professional musician from the Chicago area. My main focus is sports; however, I have reported on other areas before and do not hesitate to contribute when I feel I can be useful.

Contact information
I am always available, via e-mail at "theirishpianist@gmail.com". I do not use IRC or AIM often, but when I do use either my handle is "theirishpianist".

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Wikinews Shorts: March 2, 2007

Popeyes Chicken sues Church's over franchisee buy-out
United States fast-food chain Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits has filed a $20 million dollar lawsuit against competitor Church's Chicken.

Popeyes Chicken says fast-food chain Church's Chicken was trying to steal customers.

AFC owned both companies for 12 years, till it sold Church's in 2004. AFC claims that Church bought all 10 Popeyes restaurants owned by franchisee CVI. Popeyes Chicken says the sale of the 10 restaurants violated its franchise agreement with CVI.

The sudden buy-out in December 2006 led the restaurants to close in early January 2007.

"What Church's chose to do, I do believe, was not honest competition," said Ken Keymer, CEO of AFC Enterprises Inc., the parent company of Popeyes.

Church's spokesperson chose not to comment on the issue.

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Australian plant species reclassified
The national body for scientific research in Australia, the CSIRO has announced that 93 species of shrubs and small trees of the genus Dryandra have been been merged into the genus Banksia in the series Dryandra. This increased the number of Banksia species from 80 to 173.

The plants are endemic to the southwestern corner of Western Australia and the former genus was named in honour of the Swedish botanist Jonas C. Dryander.

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i added the basics to this of course i tried my best to not use copyrighted words the only thing i did use was the quote. i know i made some mistakes so please help out on this a bit and expand where you all see fit. thanks!

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Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe denies wartime responsibility for sex slaves

March 2, 2007 Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, the leader of the conservative of Japan, denied responsibility for  set up during World War II. Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Abe said, "There is no evidence to prove there was coercion, nothing to support it. So, in respect to this declaration, you have to keep in mind that things have changed greatly."

His statement contrasts with earlier comments in which he seemed to support a 1993 government declaration that Japan had in fact set up wartime military brothels.

Korean believe around 200,000 women from a multitude of different nations were forced into brothels during the war, where they would be raped dozens of times daily. However, conservative elements in the Japanese government have often denied or minimized the extent of war crimes taking place during World War II.

In 1992, historian Yoshiaki Yoshimi discovered a document titled Regarding the Recruitment of Women for Military Brothels in the Defense Agency's library (The content of this order is "A Japanese army prohibits the use for the malignant Korean people broker. "), prompting the government's 1993 declaration. Over the years, several former sex slaves have stepped forward, providing testimony in direct contrast with the Japanese government's.


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User talk:71.34.0.36

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Councilman: Buffalo, New York, USA police to stage "sickout"

March 3, 2007

According to one Buffalo, New York Common Council member, David Franczyk, the City of Buffalo Police force is staging a "sickout" on the weekend of St. Patricks Day and the NCAA Basketball Tournament, or somewhere around March 17, 2007.

A sickout means that officers in the entire city would all call in sick during that weekend.

Franczyk says that he received a call from at least one person that claimed he was an officer of the Buffalo police force and that he was warning Franczyk that the sickout was going to take place. The caller also claimed, according to Franczyk, that his intentions are to get "the nation's attention."

"He explained that because the wages are frozen that this would be a work action to get the attention of the Nation essentially," said Franczyk. As of the moment, Franczyk has been the only Common Council member to be informed about the sickout.

Mayor of Buffalo, Byron Brown said if this were to take place, it would be "catastrophic" for the city, but also said that he thinks the sickout "will not happen" and also added that it would be "illegal."

"How catastrophic would it be if they were to ever do that? Again, I don't believe that it would happen. Those kinds of behaviours..those kinds of actions are irresponsible and illegal. We have a Police Department that is very responsible," said Brown.

Brown also said that he believes that police officers "will do the right thing" and that they will "do their jobs, even if they are frustrated."

The name of the officer who called Franczyk is not known and it is not known if he was actually a police officer.

Wikinews attempted to contact Franczyk regarding the sickout, but he has yet to respond.


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I have e-mailed Mr. Franczyk about this rumor and asked some questions. I am not sure if or when he will get back so if he does not I will publish as is (without OR) and if he does, I will add what he had to say. DragonFire1024 19:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No response from Councilman. The WIVB Source may not be available anymore as they only usually keep links to articles up for about 24 hours or less...donno why, but at this moment it is still available. DragonFire1024 19:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


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Lille goal protests quelled again

March 2, 2007

Protests have continued after Manchester United defeated Lille in the Champions League round of 16. A free kick by Ryan Giggs in the second half of the game caused great controversy, as Lille was setting up their wall as the ball went into the back of the net. Lille players nearly walked off the pitch at the time, but they were goaded back onto the field, and the game ended 1 - 0 for Manchester United.

Lille made one protest to UEFA, asking for a replay of the match, but the appeal was turned down, and the decision of referee Eric Braamhaar stood for the time. Lille has made a second protest, claiming a technical error on the referee's part, as the kick was taken without the whistle being blown. UEFA has rejected their appeal again, saying no proof of a technical error has been presented. Lille will have 3 days after receiving notice from UEFA to lodge another appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, or the claim will be dismissed in full.

The second leg game between United and Lille will take place next Wednesday at Old Trafford.

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User talk:74.108.45.154

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User talk:66.183.188.39

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