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Policy or guidelines for reporting natural disasters
To be honest, I think it's about time we had some fixed, proper guidelines for the reporting of incidents and natural disasters, such as earthquakes. When I first joined WN a few years ago, I was told in the IRC channel that as a general rule, we don't publish stories about earthquakes where they measure M6.0 or less. Now we have an article turning up about a 4.3 in Oklahoma, and the suggestion to just tag it as a local story. What concerns me is that without fixed guidelines over this kind of stuff, people are gonna get confused when being told one thing by one person, another thing by someone else, and so on.

I am requesting thoughts on the introduction of guidelines or a policy denoting which types of natural disasters to report and the limits for doing so - plus any major exceptions in the event of serious incidents major occurrences and anything out of the ordinary.

Thoughts welcome, please keep them constructive if possible :)

BarkingFish (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

 * As a rule of thumb, anything which results in a)death or serious injury b)disruption e.g. to transport or whatever and/or c)'worthwhile' damage can be reported, though if we're looking at options b/c we will have to judge severity - it may be a local story, and judging worthwhile in a local context is tricky.

 * A more difficult question is setting some base guidelines on what we won't ever report on. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

 * BRS, neatly, turns this on it's head. What if any quake in Oklahoma is incredibly rare? Then it becomes newsworthy.--Brian McNeil / talk 21:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And quite neatly, you give me something else to think about, Brian. I am not sure, to be totally honest, whether I've heard of a quake in Oklahoma before, and I watch USGS quite a lot for larger ones, especially in the South Pacific, but I do see others... Maybe I should modify my proposal above and reword it slightly...which I've now done.
 * In response to BRS, I'd say that with regard to judging worthwhile in a local context, I'd normally go for it if it makes broadcast or printed news in the place where it occurred, and surrounding areas (for example, if the OK. quake made TV News in Oklahoma, and the surrounding states) or as you say, if it caused major damage, killed people or disrupted normal life (damaged public transport, collapsed bridges etc.) I'd consider it well within the bounds of newsworthy. BarkingFish (talk) 23:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My understanding of natural disaster reporting is this:

 * If there are deaths or significant damage, the it is definitely a story. (ie, large earthquake, major volcanic eruption)
 * If there are injuries, a fair amount of damage, or disruption of a significant event then it can be a story. (ie for that last one: small election day earthquake, no damage, disrupts vote)
 * If it is an unusual or unprecedented disaster in the area in which it occurred, then it might possibly be a story. (ie, small meteorite lands in someone's backyard. Tiny disaster with no significant damage or disruption, but an unusual event. Small non-rare disasters also apply if they are unusual in the area in which they took place.)

 * I could be mistaken, but that's always been my understanding of how disaster reporting worked. Gopher65talk 23:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

 * My work here is done (just kidding). I've looked at the subbed story, it's effectively useless. My gut reaction is to strongly disagree with Diego that it is newsworthy. That said, if records were to show it as the biggest Oklahoma quake in 50-100 years, I'd be wrong; but that would have to be clearly articulated within the copy. This is why I'm disinclined to try and set hard standards for newsworthiness on any topic. The no-brainers are "OMG! The cat ate my Hamster!" but, "OMG! Freddy Starr ate my hamster!",... Maybe - as long as he had it with a nice glass of Chianti. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 * That brings us to another newsorthiness issue I want ot bring up sometime; that of celeb gossip (with additions to WN:NOT and Newsworthiness). I mean, we've all heard that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990, but do we want Carter Fuck reminding us such claims are disputed? But, I digress... Which is fun... Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed addition to WN:Newsworthiness

 * To contain text something along the lines of "in general, any incident involving death or serious injury, significant disrutpion to daily life for a number of people or major damage to any object, building or infrastructure that is at least locally important is newsworthy. It should be noted that this does not apply to obits for ordinary people who died of generally unremarkable things, e.g. natural causes." Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 * An interesting thought, but I have reservations. What we've got is very general, and speaks to the core underlying principles.  The addition is rather specific, and not fundamental.  I see emphasis on death and destruction, and death is newsworthy except when it isn't.  Instruction creep?  --Pi zero (talk) 21:43, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Perhaps creepy; but there is at least a perceived need to stop being so vague. Perhaps we should split a set of specifics from the main part of that page. In terms of emphasis... 'Tis merely a starting point. (We might look at keeping this on a 'non-canon' page at first and making it more official once we've got a better range of points.) Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm with BRS on the celebrity nonsense. It, by and large, simply isn't news. It is engineered publicity. It should be left to the MSM who, casual inspection will reveal, have some sort of vested interest. Example: Any News International organ screaming about wannabe stars, or judges, on TV shows on channels also under the control of Rupert "Dirty Digger" Murdoch (Faux, Sky, ...).
 * Outwith that side-show of bread and circuses you find real news. Might I suggest some of our more dedicated non-UK contributors invest in a Private Eye subscription? It's UK focused, but likely the closest to The Fourth Estate on these shores. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem is you're defining "news" as "incidents involving death or serious injury, disruption of daily life for a number people, major damage, plus obits." That seems extremely narrow. A policy initiative announcement by Mr Cameron, for example, fails this test of "newsworthiness". Even if it were "The UK is withdrawing from the United Nations, effective immediately." Perhaps some editing of the policy suggestion may be in order, starting with research of what journalism defines news as? -  Amgine | t 04:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Try reading it again, starting from the top. It's one single facet, in response to a request for comment on one single facet - in fact, the discussion is supposedly about natural disasters, so I've already expanded beyond the initial scope. At no point does it state anything other than some obits can possibly fail because it is not a "test of 'newsworthiness'" except in the circumstances we've just been discussing. It can be used to prove newsworthiness, but with one small exception cannot be used to disprove newsworthiness and at no point does the text imply otherwise. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Nevada Republican opposes Angle for US Senate over 'extreme' anti-abortion position
Seems to me this article is in violation of the 24-hour policy. There is a claim of unacceptable content, which would make reversion an unacceptable remedy for the policy violation. However, material was substantially changed two days after publication, the manner of change may itself be unacceptable, and no correction notice was placed on the article.

How the article got where it is, as I understand it: About two days after publication, Amgine felt that some content in the article needed to be taken down immediately. Instead of removing the challenged material and appealing to the community, unfortunately the measure applied was depublication, which (besides not having the intended effect of removing the problematic material from presentation to our readership) had two effects on the further evolution of the article: Thereafter, Cirt made substantive changes to the article in order to put it into a state that Amgine considered acceptable.
 * it did not turn the issue over to the community for impersonal decision-making, and
 * by framing the resolution in terms of an act of publication, it caused the 24-hour policy to be ignored.

I'm only aware of precedent for two kinds of late substantial measures applied to an article, both deemed to require community consultation:
 * In cases of ordinary factual error, the article content itself remains intact and a correction notice is placed at the top of the article.
 * In cases where material must be removed, the material is removed and a notice is placed at the top of the article (the most extreme case being that what is removed is the entire content of the article).

The de facto result of the actions taken in this case is that the article was substantially changed 47 hours after publication. If the community agrees with me that this is a violation of the archiving policy, there are two questions to answer. --Pi zero (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What state should the problematic/altered material be put in? Is there a straightforward justification for some choice other than a binary decision whether to remove the problematic material?
 * Assuming that the article will not be restored to substantially its state as of 24 hours after publication, what notice should be placed at the top of the article?

24 or 48 hours

 * The "24 hour rule" actually stretches to 48 hours, before users are automatically warned. See Template talk:Editintro notcurrent.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The 48-hour / 2 day figure at Template:Editintro notcurrent is an error; evidently we forgot to update there after we standardized on 24 (previously even the policy page itself wasn't consistent, saying 36 hours in one place and 48 in another). I think the threshold for displaying that editintro is correct, even though, once displayed, it's still been saying the wrong thing all this time.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (No, looks like the threshold is out of date too. Figures if we forgot one we'd forget the other.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC))
 * (I don't recall a discussion that agreed to cut "24-48" down to "24"). Until the "error" is fixed, any 'violations' have some leeway. --InfantGorilla (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You were on Wikibreak, I believe. It was in the air for several months before we finally did it.  Thumbing through through the archives, the deciding thread appears to have been WN:Water cooler/policy/archives/2010/March.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes - a long wikibreak. Thanks for the archaeology. --InfantGorilla (talk) 18:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

challenged assertion

 * If I understand correctly, the challenged fact was restored, but with better sourcing. This understanding leads me to conclude that there is no benefit to readers in a correction banner, in this case.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The challenged fact was an assertion "has ties to Scientology", not sourced. Cirt ultimately used a more circumspect phrasing, correctly sourced. -  Amgine | t 15:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes; sorry, I should have provided a link. The net change to the article was [ this].

 * I am a bit baffled by the current edit, and by the claim that problematic material was removed. A sentence ends with "due to her views on.", and I can't figure out the meaning.  Also "supporting a Scientology-backed prisoner rehabilitation program" is more specific than "links to", but not more circumspect.  "Links to" doesn't seem to have been misleading.
 * If say that Pope Benedict is an Anglican, would I be defaming him, or merely making an error? If I say he has links to Anglicanism, I would be right, as he recently worshipped at Westminster Abbey.
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The difference may be exemplified by the following: Senator Reid's connections to organized crime vs Senator Reid's support of federal prisoner tax advice program, also supported by the Gambino family. As I hope this shows, there is a very great difference between what the two statements say, and imply. I would choose wording less innuendo-laden than Cirt selected, but I did not wish to get into such an editorial conflict. I believe the total time from depublishing to republishing was less than an hour; a revert war might have taken longer to resolve. -  Amgine | t 20:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Amgine is probably correct here, this was in the end amicably resolved between the parties, until it was oddly dragged back up onto this page. Let us please move on. Can we please get back to writing and reviewing articles? Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If it had happened within 24 hours of publication, a private truce between you and Amgine would settle it. However, for a case involving late significant changes, as I understand policy/best practice/whatever one calls it, final disposition is decided by the community.  (Note: what it should be called, policy or whatever, depends on whether the relevant discussion, which I remember as headed distinctly consensus-ward, actually closed the deal before it exceeded our short collective policy-attention span.)  --Pi zero (talk) 02:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Shape of the galaxy
FYI: Yesterday I edited Brazilian astronomers propose new model of our galaxy to remove a likely error, and posted a correction notice. It is on my watchlist, so you can discuss my actions at the article's talk page. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Does making a new article from a prior existing and then publishing it count as a self-publish violation?
Does making a new article from a prior existing and then publishing it count as a self-publish violation? Please see history from above-listed article, and this comment from the user that published it. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 09:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

 * FYI: This was the diff that I reverted then posted as a new article:
 * --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This type of review/publish behavior opens the door to others taking this model down a slippery slope. -- Cirt (talk) 09:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it does, and it's a slope Wikinews should take. When articles go stale awaiting review, and minor revisions are necessary to update it to more-current information, I personally do not see a problem with doing so. If policy is getting in the way of publishing current, relevant news, policy must give way - not the news. -  Amgine | t 16:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What if the prior article was written by the same individual, but reviewed/published by someone else? Can the 2nd article then be reviewed/published by the writer of the 1st one? This questionable practice raises too many concerns. -- Cirt (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmm, that changes the question focus. If an article were published, and the original author updated the article with additional, sourced, information, I believe the current practice frowns on but does not prohibit the original author from sighting the changes. That would suggest a similar approach - it's not best practice but is not specifically prohibited - would apply to the scenario you're suggesting. Clearly both cases represent a continuum; a massive rewrite resulting in essentially a completely different article from that originally published should not remain published nor should it be sighted by the author, while extremely minor changes should not be an obstacle to publication. Common sense, plain language, should be the guide, not an endlessly precise pre-/pro-scriptive set of rules. -  Amgine | t 02:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, current practice does indeed prohibit the original author from sighting the changes. -- Cirt (talk) 05:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, current practice does indeed prohibit the original author from sighting the changes. -- Cirt (talk) 05:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Current policy. (That is, for once we didn't forget to update the written policy — remembering that passage discovered in the archiving policy last spring, then still in place from 2005, saying that we didn't have any formal review process.)

 * Do we have (or, more likely, could we make) a tool that takes an existing published article and makes a developing copy of it under a specified new name with a related-news link back to the existing published one? The tool should actually save the modified copy, rather than merely presenting it for editing, to make it easier to keep track of the comparison/contrast between old and new articles.  (Remove publish, add develop, add Related news, save unsighted under new name.  Careful logic to make sure it's robust under weird conditions, such as an article with multiple publish tags or an explicit [Category:publish] .)  --Pi zero (talk) 12:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems practice is less consistent on this point; though the policy is not well-described it is clear enough. -  Amgine | t 18:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it seem that way to you? My subjective impression was that we were doing rather better than that sounds.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My impression is it's about 90%, which is reasonably consistent. Not, I would say, supportive of a blanket policy ban per practice, but certainly very high. -  Amgine | t 03:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I actually can't quite parse that last sentence.

There is, of course, the matter of taking down material suspected of being harmful (copyvio, libel), which experienced Wikinewsies know overrides everything else. And then there's the fact that applying the no-self-review rule to post-EPR edits involves two judgment calls, where applying it to EPR involves only one. But, acknowledging those considerations, clear-cut substantive self-review is always a case where we should do better, and when I see one I leave a note on the reviewer's talk page. I think I've only had occasion to do that maybe two or three times, in all the time since autosight was turned off, and in each case it emerged that the reviewer had not been aware of that facet of policy (typically a long-standing reviewer who hadn't been around when the policy discussion was going on or when it was being spammed as the sitenotice... and maybe we should put it on the sitenotice rotation). I'd like to think the small number of those notes I've left reflected rarity of clear-cut violations, rather than only rarity of my noticing them. --Pi zero (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In both cases, the reviewer has to decide whether they're sufficiently independent. That's easy if they're the primary author (of the article, of the edit); it takes more experience, I think, to make the call when one makes small-in-relative-terms corrective changes to someone else's work as part of reviewing it.  A good reviewer does make changes to the article when peer-reviewing it, changes that would not be acceptable if they were made after EPR rather than before — because after peer review they would be standalone edits, and as standalone edits they're too substantive to be sighted by the person who made them.  But there also comes a point at which an edit disqualifies the editor from peer-reviewing the article.  I found myself in that position recently with [ Macaque kills newborn in Malaysia].
 * In the post-EPR edit case, there must be an additional judgment call on whether the edit is substantive. That's not a new question, but before the disabling of autosight, it didn't apply to edits within the first 24 hours (previously 36/48 hours), which is after all when substantive changes are most likely to be spotted.

Pleonasm; omit needless words
IG reverted a rename, and substantial new late updates, by the original author - who I advised to start a new article.

If IG did no more than form a correct new article instead of Wikipediaesque perpetual updates, I see no fault on his part. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Journalism and ethics in "new" media
Hey Wikinews :)

I saw this come across my twitter feed today, and found it interesting. Calling it to your attention, because I thought you'd enjoy it.

Philippe (WMF) (talk) 22:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

On Censorship
I've noticed the following: Sometimes people feel as though they've been censored here. Whether this is actual or just perceptual, there is a responsibility for oversight in a multi-layered organization that's also a community!

Here are three possible "fixes" that won't cause any damage, and might add to this wonderful place:

1.) An Admin who has the ability to email Contributors might send out an email saying something like "Have you been or felt like you were censored on WikiNews?  We're doing a story on censorship here, and we'd like your input."  It will give people who aren't Admins to make their voices better heard, and also is newsworthy!  An article entitled "Censorship on WikiNews" might be of interest, and, if so, might be something like a twice-yearly feature.

2.) It might be nice if Sysops would have a tag where contributors can see which is online, so if an Admin is maybe making a questionable call, someone who's not so well connected can get another experienced voice to come into a discussion?  Such a tag ought to be easy to spot for the novice Contributor.

3.) Do away with the wording "Neutral Point of View."  I like "Fact-Based Point of View" much better, since it reflects a good, universal journalistic integrity.  FBPOV.

Sorry for the rant!The san gabriel mountains (talk) 00:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I've been ignoring this conversation for the last month or so, but thought I'd pop back in. Here's the issues I see with your proposal (Hopefully this doesn't sound too negative. I like people how have fresh ideas). For point A, that seems like a massive self reference. I don't think we should write about ourselves, but thats just imho. Second point has technical difficulties (I think status bot like things were banned on en 'pedia). However, all users should feel free to go on irc to try and get a second opinion (or pm an admin on irc if they don't want to say it in a public chat room). For point 3: NPOV is something very core to the identity of Wikinews, and more generally the Wikimedia movement in general. I'd like to see some very good justifications for why this is a good idea. Also when you say fact based, who determines what is "fact"? The world is complicated, and what is 'fact' especially complicated. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

 * 1) Wikinews is not WikiNews.
 * 2) What specific examples of alleged censorship can you cite with links to diffs of such?
 * 3) Wikinews should not engage in navel-gazing, which is what you appear to propose.
 * 4) Neutral Point of View is non-negotiable; all Wikimedia Foundation projects are required to adopt, largely unchanged, versions of this policy.
 * Really, I don't see the point to this"complaint/proposal"; briefly explain what the issue that vexes you is. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I just did an advanced search with the term "censorship" and all of the "Talk" categories checked. Yes, there are people feeling as though they've been censored on this website. To do nothing is not a good choice, and generally self-reference is also not a good choice ... but ... in the case of keeping the community straight, this is the exception that proves the rule. Imagine a dictator who never wanted to hear s/he was wrong!The San Gabriel Mountains (talk) 06:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikinews censors viciously. The project does not allow uncited factual statements, stale news. There are regular disagreements as to what content is news or news-worthy. A regular examination of what Wikinews articles are and are not can reduce the desire to cry "censorship", but I'm sure you're aware that povioring is both a pasttime and a profession on the internet. -  Amgine | t 19:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Back up your censorship whingeing with something concrete instead of wasting the community's time. An 'I proovified it with teh Google' isn't worth the recycled electrons it's transmitted with. Wikinews deals with verifiable facts. You have produced none; do so, or one of our friendly neighbourhood administrators might just "censor" this trollish discusson. -Brian McNeil / talk 17:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! That's exactly my point -- there should be some real data! NB also that Bawolff is right on all three -- generally self-reference is not a good thing; such a task as sending out emails ought to be done by hand, not bot; and, the facts can be dodgy, but not more so than neutral, maybe less. I'd do it myself if I were an admin, and maybe will wait the time and apply to do it. Thanks for the input.The San Gabriel Mountains (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Troublesome possible source
I added newsonnews to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist per the following conversation copied from Fetchcomm's talk page --InfantGorilla (talk) 15:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice, prompt, preemptive work IG. And, thanks for highlighting it here too. Now, if we could just add The Sun, Faux News, and the rest of Rupert "Dirty Digger"'s stable of publications to the list... ( I jest, but only just. ). --Brian McNeil / talk 17:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Please take no notice of newsonnews.net - it is a portal that reprints stories from other sources. It does not follow Wikinews internal rules on fact-checking, copyright or attribution. --InfantGorilla (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks for the note.  — fetch · comms  01:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That'd be grounds to add it to the spam blacklist - just in case someone is foolish enough to try and use it as a source. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


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Final launch of Space Shuttle Discovery delayed until at least Thursday

November 3, 2010

's final launch on the mission to the International Space Station has been delayed at least an additional day. Launch is now targeted for 3:29 PM on Thursday.

The launch was originally scheduled for this past Monday, but was delayed two days because of and  leaks on board the shuttle.

Technicians are now working to repair technical glitches discovered yesterday on a main engine control computer.

The weather outlook, however, appears to be unfavorable for the new targeted launch day; there is an 80 percent chance of undesirable weather, according to the NASA space shuttle weather officer Kathy Winters.

The mission management team (MMT) is meeting today to discuss and troubleshoot Discovery's newfound electrical problems.

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Talk:Beleaguered British Columbia Premier resigns

Use of political blogs as reliable sources
I'm not familiar with WikiNews protocols so hesitate to add information and context to this article if I am limited to using the mainstream media, who in British Columbia are widely considered untrustworthy and evasive and very much an information organ of the political alliance underlying the present government and how it came to power. Certain blogs have been critical to the ongoing public investigation of the activities of Campbell and his government and his allies, with the mainstream media only picking up on certain issues when they had to, and only attending court, in the case of the Basi-Virk matter, on rare occasions, and rarely (if ever) reporting on the - again, only when they had to, or when something was deemed too sensational to be able to withhold (such as the destruction of years of email records, legally mandated to be preserved, by someone in the Premier's Office in the weeks leading into the last election, a matter which remains uninvestigated and also passed over by the mainstream media, though they did report on it at the time. The major media's compliance with the re-instated court ban on that case, vs. their determined effort to open the concurrent Pickton trial evidence and proceedings, also originally under a publication ban, made public.

I bring this all up in re the current content, which does not fully capture the mood of public outrage in the wake of the resignation speech in combination with resentment against the sudden, evidently bought, closure of the BC Rail trial and all the evidence that was lining up to prove massive conspiracy and fraud by politicians and corporate interests. The mainstream media have been claiming it's only the HST that brought Campbell down and is the reason for the incipient revolt in the Liberal caucus; Bill Bennett's resignation points to a great deal more, and if you dig for Paul Nettleton's speeches and letters, there's even more in there. BC Hydro/IPPs, fish farms, rotten PPP deals on infrastructure, outsourcing of government agencies and services to US companies - the media have ignored all that, blithely going along, but the public have been outraged for a long time; the secret deal (and accompanying publication ban) on the guilty plea, the muzzling of Dave Basi with stiffer sentence conditions because he attempted to give an interview to the CBC, and now the new mega-Ministry of Natural Resource Operations which other cabinet ministers and the caucus had not been consulted on (that's reached the Globe today, however); that's all raised in the blogs first, with the major papers and networks all following on, slowly and inaccurately, when issues revealed in teh blogs become too hot to remain silent on. The "commercial alternative media" like the Georgia Straight and The Tyee covered things very well, in limited space, but they are not nationally syndicated or condensed like the mainstream media do, as also with independent journalists of note like Sean Holman and Kevin Potvin; other Canadians, and others in other countries, do not know about the abuses of democracy and public trust underlying this resignation and of the evidence of sweeping, systemic corruption in British Columbia governance, whther it's influence peddling or rigged contracts and rigged bdding processes (or just sometimes no public tender at all, which is illegal). but many things that are illegal the courts, teh RCMP, the Crown/Ministry of the Attorney-General are in control of investigating or not; traditional media's investigative role in BC has long been neutered, the growth of BC's political blogging community in response to that vacuum in reportage/investigation is in fact a very newsworthy story in its own right, with the internet proving to be the organ of democracy that the mainstream media have not just failed to be, but avoided being.

Already in Wikipedia, certain journalist blogs and leading political blogs like BC Mary (http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com), journalist blogs like Tieleman, Rafe Mair and independent researchers like Laila Yuile are recognized sources of open, public information and debate; there's also the Terrace Daily and the Gulf Islands Tides and the paper in Powell River, among others, which have led the charge with the facts, while the mainstream media spew only disinformation and spin pretending to be news. All these are used in Wikipedia, I hope they're OK here....

As a COI disclosure, my well-known Wiki username is also my blogging name, though I do not run my own blog, so my efforts here will attempt to be as neutral in tone (though complete in content) as possible - though it's also necessary to cite analyses and opinion originating somewhere than on the national networks or out of the mouths of party and public relations spokespeople. Of course anything *I* add will have to be fully cited, and my intention isn't to "blog the article". But there's lots to update here, perhaps further articles/headlines rather than lengthening this one, but the political crisis in BC is only going to get bigger; hopefully there's enough contributors such that WikiNews can be the free press that the mainstream press aren't. Updates include the opening of the leadership race with Moira Stilwell and I think Blair Lekstrom, plus Christy Clark going away to thinkg about it (though I saw a "Draft Christy Clark" ad on Facebook a little while ago). Underlying context is reports - even in the mainstream media - that the caucus and cabinet are upset with the recent cabinet shuffle, even more than they were with the 15% tax cut, since withdrawn, which they were left uninformed about and not consulted on. We may see a caucus revolt yet...given who wins the leadership race, or before then, if it turns out the Campbell has demurred on his resignation - instead of immediately stepping down - he's staying on long enough to set things in motion that no future government can reverse, of whichever party.

Calls for a public inquiry into the conduct of his government are mounting (again, not just in blogspace, though it started there) and news that the RCMP have promised to protect the case evidence for at least twelve years, guaranteeing it will be available to any such inquiry (this on Tieleman's blog from Kelly deBruckyere), underscores the reality that it's not just resentment against the HST that pressured him from office - what really did it was the direction the Basi-Virk case was going, with aggressive defence lawyers embarrassing the government, and its Crown witnesses, in a direction that was going to lead to awkward interrogations of the heads of CIBC World Markets, all the major railways, party backroom deity Patrick Kinsella, the Premier's staff including his with-him-all-the-time Executive Assistant, and not a few cabinet ministers. And that's only the Crown's witnesses, not the Defence's unknown list. The Crown sought an adjournment to shorten the witness list from 40 to 20 - similar its move to extend the length of the trial from its originally scsheduled and incredibly brief six weeks - but I'd imagine a lot of those witnesses didn't want to go up on the chopping block. The adjournment was a smokescreen; by the end of the weekend news of the guilty pleas and whatever secret bargain got them, and arranged for the defendants' legal bills to be covered, hit like a brick, and more questions started to be asked - including those about corruption of the court process, the inaction of the RCMP, the selective targeting of only certain evidence and only three staff, the closure of discussion on the defence position that they were acting under orders (the Premier's orders).....the public knew all this - and more importantly, so did, increasingly, the power brokers behind who gets into power and who gets to stay there. Campbell bought himself time, apparently, so as to "get things done", including this new vision of "Natural Resource Operations", but given the scale of public discontent - and avid curiosity - the power brokers told him "time to go, there's too much evidence, it's only going to get worse and it's not just you that might wind up in jail". That's the scenario - public outrage over the Basi-Virk deal and everything associated with it - not the amount of public money paid out (which if anything raised the huge question of "Why?"). That public resentment/outrage, and all the questions it raised (and won't go away) is's why he resigned, not the HST. But he didn't really resign; word was he even intended that the leadership race be postponed until later in the year.....that was prevented by the threat of a repeat of the caucus vote. Where did I learn all this? Not in the mainstream media (except in scattered pieces from them, and "only when they had to").Skookum1 (talk) 05:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd hope that there are other contributors, and I also hope that the wider internet community becomes aware of the possibilities of WikiNews, for whatever country or province or state. Much under-utilized, but takes input to really serve "the news" well...but also a platform for news sources and news services, not limited to "mainstream" reliable sources, but open to ALL reliable sources; many of which are far more verifiable than the mainstream media can quite reliably be shown not to be....the blogs are where the issues come from, the media usually only admit to whateever after the fact, often by many months....Skookum1 (talk) 06:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


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Ok, so we've all heard about the big oil spill last year. As terrible as it was, IT IS NOT ENTIRELY BPs FAULT!. Heres the problem, Lets say theres a state, in the US, lets say Alaska, which has a bounty of oil hidden on land. The state should be able sell off some of this land to an oil company right? WRONG!!! See BP has already tried to drill on US land, and just off shore, where an accident would be much much easier to repair and prevent. BUT THE US NATIONAL GOV wont let states make deal for new drill sites on land or just off shore, no matter how hard the oil companies and states(like alaska) try. LET ME REPEAT THAT, BP IS NOT seeking big risk projects, it just wants new drill sites, and if you dont let them do it on land or on shore, then they will go as deep into the ocean as they need to in order to stay a float.

Next, oil might not be the greatest, but people dont seem to really want to change. why? Everyone seems to want to seem green, but in reality, they aren't willing to do what is needed. Why is that? because no one seems to like nuclear power, the one thing that could prob help us the most. Solar panels are too expensive and take almost as much energy to create as they make over the first ten years of use. hybrids are nice but for the price you could get much sportier cars. The one decent all electric car, the tesla roadster, costs 3 arms and 4 legs. In the end being green costs too much and inconveniences. Until green tech people come up with ideas that are more convenient and cheaper than the way things are currently, there wont be very much change.


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Sparky Anderson, former baseball manager for Detroit Tigers, Cincinnati Reds, dead at 76

November 4, 2010 , former baseball manager for the and the, has died at the age of 76.

Spokesman for the family Dan Ewald announced Anderson died after a long battle with. Ewald also said that Anderson's family had placed him in a  care center yesterday.

"Sparky Anderson will always be measured by his number of victories and his place in baseball's Hall of Fame. But all of that is overshadowed by the type of person he was. Sparky not only spiked life into baseball, he gave life in general something to smile about. Never in my lifetime have I met a man as gentle, kind and courageous as Sparky," said Ewald in a statement to the press.

While manager of the Reds, Anderson lead the team to two in 1975 and 1976. In 1979 Anderson began managing the the Detroit Tigers, also leading them to the title in 1984.

"I got good players, stayed out of their way, let them win a lot and then just hung around for 26 years," said Anderson during a 2000 speech.


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November 4, 2010 A judge cleared a police detective today of fraud relating to money intended for use investigating the London bombings in 2005. Detective Sergeant Peter Allbut was accused of keeping £9,200 set aside to accommodate officers sent to Leeds during the probe.

Crown Court was told by Paul Watson QC, prosecuting, that Allbut was given access to an card to withdraw funds to pay rent bills after the cost of hotels was deemed excessive. Allbut was alleged to have on three occasions between February and May 2007 to have siphoned funds into his personal bank account. Allbut denied three counts of fraud relating to £2,200, £4,000 and £3,000.

After today's conclusion of the prosecution case Judge Geoffrey Rivlin QC ruled there was insufficient evidence against the officer and ordered the jury to find him not guilty. It is the second time Allbut has been cleared of criminal financial dealings in the course of his duties with the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command.

In July Allbut and a fellow Detective Seargent, Nevill Caldecourt, were tried over allegations they had purposely overcharged for flat rentals on expenses. Both were found not guilty of conspiracy to defraud and. Last month another counterterrorism officer with the force was convicted alongside his wife on a similar case in which he overcharged his employers for apartments. Detective Constable Daren Pooley and his wife Nicola were convicted of conspiracy to defraud for running the scheme while deployed to Leeds after the London bombings.


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 * 1) Since the word "controversial" has been taken out of the headline, wouldn't it be more accurate to write "election bid" rather than just "election"?
 * 2) The Wall Street Journal notes that "It was no coincidence that Jerry Brown’s election-night venue was the Fox Theater" so I think that the info about the Fox Theater should be included.
 * 3) I'm pretty sure that "Union-Tribune Editorial Board" is an organization distinct from the publication cited.


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view the documentary "Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days"

For someone who is serious about dealing with their diabetes, it is possible to use discipline and community support to greatly reduce your suffering. Otherwise, you are free to wait for the corporate pharmaceutical empire to sell you a hormone treatment injection for the low, low price of $1999.99 a month. I hope your insurance covers it.


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Itunes is not meant for high class social network site i.e. MySpace. Itunes is for poor by poor Steve Jobs. —117.201.83.137 (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

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Indian Markets hits record close in Diwali trade

November 7, 2010 The Indian stock market ended at an all time high on the Diwali 60-minute Special trading session on Friday. Diwali trading is arranged every year on the festival of to pay obeisance to, the Hindu goddess of wealth and prosperity; it is also seen as welcoming the New Year of the Samvat calendar. The calendar is 56.7 years ahead (in count) of the solar Gregorian calendar.

The benchmark 30-share Bombay Stock Exchange Sensitivity Index,, rose 0.53% or 111.39 points to a record close of 21,004.96. Sensex closes above 21k pts for the first-time in its 135 years history.

Indian markets have attracted about USD 26.74 billion this year of investment from foreign. The sale of a 10% stake in Kolkata-based last month was the biggest share sale in Indian history and banked the government 3.4 billion dollars. Coal India has risen 43 percent since listing at the stock exchanges this week.

According to Mr. “This will continue for long periods of time. If you look at India we are 3% to 4% of world, we are not even 0.5% of USD 30 to USD 35 trillion in the investment of institutions worldwide in equities. Our share is USD 250 billion, USD 200 billion may be and it could go up to USD 1 trillion. So I see no reason why money will not come. Don’t forget one thing that India is an open country. Indian companies have return on equity. Among the we have the best corporate governance. We are well ; we have got good trading systems. Why will the money not come you tell me?” Mr.Rakesh Jhunjhunwala is tagged by the media as "India's Warren Buffett".


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It's very hard to judge this considering that Turkey is having to conform to a free speech clause of the EU to see how it was biased. A source from a supporter of the ban would be hard to find because they are likely to get a hammering from pro-freedom groups.


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Hear, hear...


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Comments:Porsche automaker's global sales drop 28%

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sorry, i want you to give me the current price of this displayed car, send it to me via my e-mail address (tunlak3310@yahoo.com) —41.155.40.180 (talk) 15:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


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Quake-hit Haiti struck by Hurricane Tomas

November 7, 2010 In what can only be described as yet another addition to a long list of unfortunate happenings in Haiti, the Category 1 displaced a large number of the population on Friday, most notably in, the capital city, where earthquake refugee camps serve as a home to as many as 1.3 million victims of the January 12 earthquake.

The earthquake, along with the consequent epidemic, claimed the lives of 250,000 Haitians, and while the hurricane was not considered severe, it's resulting flooding has the already-vulnerable population worried.

"I'm scared that if I leave they'll tear this whole place down. I don't have money to pay for a home somewhere else," said Clarice Napoux, a 21 year-old resident in Port-au-Prince, who was displaced by the quake. People are indeed leaving, however, as many as 8,000 refugees in areas vulnerable to the heavy rainfall, predicted in upwards of 10 inches, were forced to seek higher ground.

Tomas' flooding has reportedly claimed the lives of three citizens; two of which were in the town of, to the south of the capital. The local Haitian government evacuated more than 200 inmates from a coastal prison. However, many citizens are upset with what they see as inadequate response to the floods.

"They have a reason to be mad. The central government hasn't done anything here," said Wilson St. Juste, deputy mayor of Haiti. The federal government, however, has made efforts to remind its citizens of the enormous strain it is already experiencing resulting primarily from previous damage and relief efforts.

"We have two catastrophes that we are managing. The first is the hurricane and the second is cholera," President Rene Preval noted in a national press release. The Red Cross has worked to accommodate those affected by the floods, and the is standing by off the coast with relief supplies.

"We got flooded out and we're just waiting for the storm to pass. There's nothing we can do," said one resident Friday. Indeed, the thousands that have been displaced twice can but sit and wait for Tomas' effects on an already stretched-thin nation to pass.


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UK judge reveals gang warfare crimes of policeman

November 6, 2010

A judge at in England, UK has allowed the media to report on crimes committed by a serving policeman involved with gang warfare. Salim Razaq, fired from his position as sergeant by, entered guilty pleas last month but this information was kept from the public pending the outcome of a separate trial.

Five others have also admitted charges in the case, including the officer's brother Hafiz and mother Gulshan. Salim was caught when police bugged phone calls Hafiz was making from prison on remand awaiting trial for kidnapping and assaulting a rival gang member. The gangs were fighting a 'turf war' over drugs sales.

In the conversations the pair discussed intimidation of witnesses in a bid to prevent prosecution of Hafiz, and money laundering. Lancashire Police's Professional Standards Department then raided Salim's home in, near , and found £72,000 in cash hidden in the sergeant's bedroom. Three machine guns — two and a  — were concealed under the stairs. 228 bullets, a bullet-proof jacket, a balaclava, and a knuckle-duster were also confiscated.

Razaq, who became an emergency response officer when he joined the police in 2001 and became a sergeant in January last year, was dismissed in June when the force convened a Special Case Hearing to fast-track the process. He has entered guilty pleas to nine offences:, two charges of , three charges of possession of a firearm, possession of ammunition, conspiracy to transfer criminal property, and conspiracy to acquire or retain criminal property.

Salim and Hafiz's mother Gulshan admitted perverting the course of justice; her role was to intimidate witnesses. Hafiz entered guilty pleas to money laundering and two counts of perverting the course of justice. Two more gang members — Jason Lawrenson and Daniel Cookson — admitted money laundering, and another man, Louis Bamber, admitted possession of a firearm. The five will be sentenced on November 11.

Details had been kept secret while Salim Razaq faced trial on a charge of fraud by inflating the value of his salary — £33,000 a year — to obtain a mortgage. Judge Henry Globe QC decided he was innocent of that charge and ordered the jury to find him not guilty. He then lifted the restrictions imposed on the media.

Lancashire Police's Assistant Chief Constable Andy Cooke spoke to the press outside the court. "Salim Razaq was nothing short of a criminal in a police uniform and I am appalled by the fact that a police officer was involved at the level he was in this criminality. However, I am extremely proud of the Lancashire officers who put this case together, the quality of which is reflected in the guilty pleas. I am sure that the sentences will reflect the seriousness of these crimes."


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Thread:Comments:Turkey lifts ban on YouTube/Comments from feedback form - "blocked again"/reply

Here is a source for this: http://techshrimp.com/2010/11/03/turkey-imposes-youtube-ban-again/. I tried to add a note regarding this but got reverted by a known user. I don't know why.


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The article is dated November 1. You added information that you stated was from November 3. Why do you think this time travel was reverted? News archives are a historical record.


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OK, but I personally believe it's inappropriate to have this article at the main page, especially if it's outdated. But OK, then I have to try creating a new article that replaces this one.


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Hong Kong flu kills six in Japan

November 7, 2010

Six people have died after becoming infected with the virus in the city of  located in the  of northern Japan.

Among the dead were four men and two women, aged 60 to 90 years old. All of them died between Monday November 1, and Friday November 5, while in a local hospital. Dozens more are suspected to be ill with the virus while another 30 others, mostly doctors and other hospital personnel, are being tested for the virus.

Preliminary tests on the patients showed a positive result for the infection while further laboratory tests confirmed the presence of it.

The virus killed nearly 1,000,000 people around the globe in 1968 and 1969. It was a form of the strain of. So far there are no reports of anyone infected outside hospital grounds.

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