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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/Comments from feedback form - "check"

check to see if this works like it should —Bawolff ☺☻ 06:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


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User talk:AmiAyalon1969

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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/Comments from feedback form - "test"

test

to see if its still working —Bawolff ☺☻ 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


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User:Voidxor

I don't maintain a user page here. Please see my user page on the English Wikipedia.

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User talk:Syverss

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User talk:134.139.234.235

Welcome
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User talk:Cassio.brochado

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Gaddafi loyalists allegedly using Red Cross helicopters to bomb rebel held city

May 8, 2011

Forces loyal to besieged Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have entered into the rebel stronghold of Misrata, Libya, in helicopters bearing Red Cross markings to drop naval bombs on the port city, continuing a two-month long attack. Gaddafi forces are attempting to cut off humanitarian aid that the rebels are receiving, which primarily comes from ships which dock in Misrata's port from humanitarian organisations.

The helicopters reportedly flew over Misrata, the third largest city in the country and located on the northwest coast of Libya, on Thursday and Friday, disguised as aid workers from the Red Cross to circumvent the, which was approved unanimously by the U.N. Security Council in March. The no-fly zone aims at making it impossible for Gaddafi loyalists to perform airstrikes on the rebels.

NATO, who is aiding the rebels in striking Gaddafi strongholds, stated that helicopters had been spotted flying over Misrata on Thursday, but could not confirm that the helicopters bore the Red Cross logo. A spokesperson did, however, confirm that no humanitarian missions had been scheduled to fly that day. A rebel spokesman told that helicopters flying over the city on Saturday had Red Cross markings. The same day, Gaddafi's troops were able to destroy six major fuel tanks in the city. The latest incidents come after Italy confirmed it has not and will not supply the rebels with weapons to use against Gaddafi and his forces, but will consider sending non-lethal weapons such as radars and satellites. However, the rebel said opposition representatives were flying to Italy to sign a deal that would see Italy send arms to rebel forces.


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User:Klaus Piotrik Qais Felli-Littmann

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User talk:Gigety gigety goooo

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User talk:Monica (my virtual assistant)

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User talk:Padi~enwikinews

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Padi. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Padi~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Uarisson jesus

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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline

I really do not appreciate the title, "Where is your God now?" I could not think of a more offensive title. It is so rude. I don't know what else to say about it, but I'd prefer you guys weren't using Wikimedia for shock routines. The appropriate title would be something like, "London police on trial for murder." I'm not expressing it but am particularly unimpressed by this. Sorry if you guys are doing a good job or whatever... RTG (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply

The title is in quotes because it is, AFAIK, what one of the policemen on trial is supposed to have said while beating the Muslim.

BTW, this page is for opinions on the story - comments on the article should go on the talk page.


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (2)

I don't think the headline is inappropriate—of course the quote itself is completely horrific, but I certainly don't think it is being sensationalist, merely explaining the terrible nature of the story. Wikinews is not censored, and we don't make any apology for explaining what happens, sometimes in more detail than other news websites which prefer not to go into the details, but I don't think it is the case here that we have been purposefully sensationalist.


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User talk:Calmnea

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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (3)

Okay, is the article about the developing investigation into a persons unnaccidental death, or is it a monologue on somebodys words or indeed the actual death itself? If it is about an investigation into an unnacidental death and goes by the headline, "Where is your god now?" I have some reservations no matter if it is a quote or who said it. To refer me to censorship makes me intend to insult your intelligence directly. That line is simply not the appropriate title for reporting on this event. It is certainly sensationalist wether intentionally so or not and sensationalism in all but the most light hearted reporting is always cansidered rude at best. This could be appropriate for a more in depth follow up article but as a way to say, "Muslim probably killed by these cops!" it is inflammatory.

Why have neither of you commented on my suggestion, "London police on trial for murder."? Because you'd have to admit first off yes that would have been more acceptable.

And, if I were searching for this article, the title would certainly not help me, or anybody else, at which note I begin to be particularly annoyed with it. What are you trying to achieve here if not that?


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (4)

If you read the article you'll find two things: 1) the man survived and 2) these are among the most serious allegations I have seen directed against policemen in the last year or so in the UK - and I have been watching. I feel the quote is needed to quickly portray the seriousness of these alleged offences. If you read the whole piece - not to mention news reports that came out the following day reporting on Ahmed's testimony - you'll find a particularly grim tale unfolding.


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (5)

You would still find it if you searched for terms related to it. The headline is "'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim", not just the offending quote. If you think the headline is sensationalist, you are free to do that—just as I am free to think it is not.


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 * Right. アンパロ Io ti odio! 16:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Amir Izadmousa

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Talk:Gaddafi loyalists allegedly using Red Cross helicopters to bomb rebel held city

Review of revision 1228702 [Passed]
This seems like 2 different stories tossed together. One about the fake red cross helicopters and another about Italian support in the form of supplies. --12.31.160.200 (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


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User talk:Fenoll94

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User talk:180.215.55.168

Hello,

Your recent contributions are considered to be spam and have been reverted or deleted. Should you believe that your contributions are not spam, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further spamming may result in your editing privileges being removed. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. アンパロ Io ti odio! 17:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:Eliott006

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Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'

May 8, 2011

U.S. security officials have cleared a passenger jet diverted to New Mexico to take off again because "no suspicious items" had been found. The aircraft was reportedly initially diverted after the crew found a note with the word "bomb" written on it in the lavatory, but security officials have declined to comment on the nature of the "potential security threat".

Delta Airlines 1706 — a domestic U.S. flight between and San Diego — diverted to  in, where the  aircraft was taken to a remote area of the airport. Passengers were interviewed by FBI agents, and dogs searched all the luggage on board. No one has yet been arrested, but the note has been determined to be hoax.

One passenger said the spoke over the intercom, saying: "We're getting ready to divert. It's probably a hoax, but we've got to take this very seriously." After being cleared of any threat, the aircraft was expected to continue to San Diego.


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User talk:Michal.0.9

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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/1984 anyone?

This is a deplorable invasion of privacy.


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User talk:Василий Глизнуца

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User talk:Antonio.pastore

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User talk:Bearli1989

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User talk:Rafael Garduño

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User talk:Bluttrinker

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Template:Dispute resolution filing

Opening statement

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 * What steps have you taken before filing this request for mediated dispute resolution?

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User talk:Bobnoxious2u

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Template:Dispute resolution filing/editnotice

You are currently filing a request for dispute resolution. Before taking this step, please make sure that other routes have been tried.

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If you haven't, please think about doing so. If you are certain that you wish to continue, fill out the pro forma at the bottom of this screen.

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Remember that this process is not a universal panacea — not all cases result in a resolution. In this case, you should continue to seek advice from other members of the community. If you still feel like there is a dispute, you can take it to the Arbitration Committee as a very last resort. If you wish to continue your request for dispute resolution, please fill out the form below and click the button marked "".
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Wikinews:IRC workshop/May 8, 2011

Agenda

 * Improving PR amongst other Wikimedia projects. How do we recruit more users and make ourselves more attractive for prospective contributors?
 * How could we improve dispute resolution and does it even need to be improved?
 * In what ways can community drama and disputes be avoided?
 * Is the blocking policy too ambiguous?
 * How best can we identify and help our Australian students?
 * Does the speedy deletion policy need an overhaul?

Log
 [20:00] < MikemoralClone > <--Logging started--> [20:00] < B-R-S > !off If this appears in the logs, the bot owes me a fiver. [20:00] < pizero > I've been working out what's needed for an article wizard. [20:00] < Mikemoral > Hello and welcome to the Wikinews Workshop today. [20:00] < diegogrez > hi everyone [20:00] < diegogrez > :P [20:00] < dendodge > Cheese. [20:00] < pizero > Indeed. [20:00] < diegogrez > Pico [20:00] < Mikemoral > Improving PR amongst other Wikimedia projects. How do we recruit more users and make ourselves more attractive for prospective contributors? ==> This is the first item on the agenda. [20:01] == MC8 changed the topic of #wikinews-workshop to: Welcome to the Wikinews Workshop! How do we recruit more users and make ourselves more attractive for prospective contributors? How could we improve dispute resolution and does it even need to be improved? In what ways can community drama and disputes be avoided? [20:01] < BarkingFish > !off that was from the last meeting, wasn't it? [20:01] == wn-log [~wn-log@wikimedia/Microchip08/bot/Picochip08] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] [20:01] < Mikemoral > !off To the next item then? [20:01] < diegogrez > fail [20:01] < dendodge > BarkingFish: Yes, but the last meeting was über fail. [20:01] < B-R-S > !off I believe so; yes [20:01] < Gryllida > Er. The bot decided to quit on !off again. [20:01] < BarkingFish > forget off [20:01] < B-R-S > Yes, true, dendodge [20:01] < BarkingFish > the bot's packed up [20:02] < Gryllida > xD [20:02] < pizero > Figures. [20:02] * dendodge wonders why there are two Mikemorals. [20:02] < Gryllida > Well, in any case, I skimmed previous chats available and am all ears. [20:02] < BarkingFish > so we're gonna need a manual logger, right? [20:02] < Mikemoral > dendodge: One mikemoral is logging. [20:02] == MC8 changed the topic of #wikinews-workshop to: Welcome to the Wikinews Workshop! How could we improve dispute resolution and does it even need to be improved? In what ways can community drama and disputes be avoided? [20:02] == wn-log [~wn-log@li187-123.members.linode.com] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:02] == wn-log [~wn-log@li187-123.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] [20:02] == wn-log [~wn-log@wikimedia/Microchip08/bot/Picochip08] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:02] == mode/#wikinews-workshop [+v wn-log] by ChanServ [20:02] < dendodge > Mikemoral: OIC. That makes sense. [20:03] < pizero > Some users are going to dispute no matter what we do. Just pointing that out. [20:03] < MC8 > Item one on the actual agenda is "How could we improve dispute resolution and does it even need to be improved?" [20:03] < MC8 > However, we can streamline resolution so that it doesn't impact the project as much [20:03] < BarkingFish > At the moment, dispute resolution is a bit of a free for all. [20:04] < MC8 > (I suppose that, if we wanted, we could move dispute resolution to its own namespace, and hide it from RC by default :P) [20:04] < BarkingFish > I noticed that closing the DR between Brian and Mattisse. One starts, another argues, everyone throws in their 2¢ and it all goes to hell very quickly [20:05] < MC8 > A few parts of it are tagged historical, it's very ambiguous as to what to do, and I haven't a clue what arbcom actually does [20:05] < B-R-S > And the final resolution was very simple [20:05] < BarkingFish > stay the heck away from each other for a while :) [20:05] < dendodge > My 2p were an attempt to resolve it and prevent a free-for-all... [20:05] < Gryllida > I think that when filing dispute resolution, the candidate can be asked to explain what he did on each of the previous steps (e.g. using talk pages, etc.) first. It may make it more likely for people to follow those steps more closely and sometimes avoid the dispute [20:05] < MC8 > Gryllida: we could stick that into a preloaded template to try and force that to happen [20:06] * Gryllida nods [20:06] == MC8 changed the topic of #wikinews-workshop to: Welcome to the Wikinews Workshop! How could we improve dispute resolution and does it even need to be improved? In what ways can community drama and disputes be avoided? Is the blocking policy too ambiguous? [20:06] < pizero > arbcom adjudicates when all else fails --- which means, at least, we have a panel of people who are motivated to keep all else from failing. [20:06] < BarkingFish > We should also make it clear that escalating the dispute further by throwing insults and stuff around is not a great way to clear up a dispute. [20:07] == wn-rc [bluegoblin@wikimedia/Microchip08/bot/Picochip08] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:07] == mode/#wikinews-workshop [+v wn-rc] by ChanServ [20:07] == wn-log [~wn-log@wikimedia/Microchip08/bot/Picochip08] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] [20:07] < Gryllida > The dspute resolution page lists a few steps before the dispute itself, having some writing on how each of them was approached would help, I think. [20:07] < BarkingFish > Arbcom is a last resort, and should be kept as such [20:07] < Mikemoral > That, I think, most of us agree on. [20:07] < pizero > BarkingFish: if that isn't clear to someone, will pointing it out help? [20:08] < BarkingFish > pizero: If not, I don't know what to do. [20:08] < pizero > Uhuh. [20:09] < Gryllida > Pointing stuff out will surely help, because Wikinews communication style is vague enough for clarifications to be useful in any case. [20:09] < B-R-S > Well, in the rare event somebody files at ArbCom ahead of themselves, ArbCom just shakes its collective head, so it's not that big an issue [20:09] < BarkingFish > With argumentative users intent on causing as much hassle as possible, something needs to be laid down at the start of the process or it goes the way the recent one did. [20:10] == diegogrez1 [~diegogrez@186.20.250.91] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:10] < pizero > It's been suggested dispute resolution should be called something whose initials differ from Deletion Request. A small point, but it *would* be nice to avoid the collision. [20:10] < Mikemoral > A dispute board perhaps, to guide the discussion on the DR page? [20:10] < MC8 > Mikemoral: too bureaucratic [20:10] < pizero >    ^ [20:11] < pizero > It's not really clear what filing a dispute resolution request is supposed to do, though. [20:11] < Gryllida > It brings matter to community attention, similarly to Water cooler. [20:11] < BarkingFish > well I'd say the name of it is a pretty good indication [20:11] == diegogrez [~diegogrez@186.20.85.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] [20:11] < Mikemoral > All it says is "If you feel that the dispute is getting out of hand and you have tried step one and two, then list it below so that other users can comment on the dispute." [20:11] I don't see the point of having an arbitration committee, nobody ever does anything [20:11] == diegogrez1 has changed nick to diegogrez [20:12] < BarkingFish > it's supposed to request intervention to resolve a dispute, no? [20:12] < dendodge > Do we need to assign a mediator to each dispute? [20:12] < MC8 > Gryllida: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Dispute_resolution_filing [20:12] < BarkingFish > Could we find people willing to *act* as mediators? [20:12] < Mikemoral > That's like what there do on WP with it's Mediator Cabel and Comittee [20:12] < dendodge > As in, have a specific Wikinewsie (or group of Wikinewsies) - separate from ArbCom - who can *resolve* the dispute without and binding sanctions. [20:12] < MC8 > Our userbase is small; it's likely that the overlap would be great [20:13] < dendodge > How about having a single arbitrator take each DR case, then? [20:13] < dendodge > And they just mediate, without arbitrating. [20:13] < B-R-S > Perhaps. The key issue is often communication. We need to sit down and get people to take a step back; Brian and Mattisse's final solution was to both step back and viola! 'tis fixed. [20:13] < BarkingFish > for now [20:14] < B-R-S > Well, yes. [20:14] < dendodge > I don't think either of them is actually going to drop it. [20:14] < dendodge > But hopefully I will be proved wrong. [20:14] < pizero > Depends on Mattisse. [20:14] < pizero > So, no. [20:14] < pizero > (half a smiley.) [20:14] < BarkingFish > pizero: it depends on them both. [20:14] < Mikemoral > Like I said, Wikipedia does have w:WP:MedCom to help mediate disputes. [20:14] < dendodge > Yes, it does. [20:15] < BarkingFish > You know the old saying, "It takes 2 to argue" [20:15] < dendodge > But our community is too small for a whole committee, IMO. [20:15] < B-R-S > As MC8 says, community is small... [20:15] < B-R-S > And now you too ;) [20:15] < dendodge > I would, therefore, suggest having arbitrators take on mediation functions. [20:15] < Mikemoral > We don't need a comittee, but we need a user willing to mediate. [20:15] < Mikemoral > A single user would do. [20:15] < BarkingFish > Mikemoral: The next question then is, how would you select a user suitable to mediate? [20:16] < pizero > Doesn't WN:DR say a mediator can be requested? [20:16] < Mikemoral > Yes. [20:16] < dendodge > Since ArbCom only works once in a blue moon, having one arbitrator assigned to each case would probably work. [20:16] < BarkingFish > And why should we take on someone else's problems when we have our own to deal with? (Playing devil's advocate) [20:16] < dendodge > Then don't run for ArbCom... [20:16] < BarkingFish > I wouldn't. [20:17] < Mikemoral > The first question: Perhaps either an ArbCom member, or an uninvolved editor in good standing. [20:17] < BarkingFish > It requires you to be identified, I think. And I refuse to identify to the foundation. [20:17] < Mikemoral > ArbCom doesn't. [20:17] < dendodge > BarkingFish: It doesn't, I don't think. [20:17] < B-R-S > We have elections for Arbcom coming up, so we could make the change then if we really want. [20:17] < dendodge > Only OS and CU do. [20:17] < Mikemoral > That's WP, iirc. [20:17] < BarkingFish > well what about privileged information they receive? Surely they couldn't do that, since it could be sensitive [20:18] < Mikemoral > We don't have policy for that. [20:18] < dendodge > It's never come up here... [20:18] < pizero > There was a discussion on meta about arbcom members identifying. [20:18] < pizero > Turns out on Russian wp they don't identify (iirc) [20:18] < BarkingFish > it should be a norm, pizero - not a discussion. That should have been in place from the word go. [20:18] < dendodge > There should probably be at least one arb who has identified. [20:19] < dendodge > But I wouldn't make it a requirement for every member of the committee. [20:19] < pizero > but it's assumed they're trusted by the community or they wouldn't have been put on arbcom. [20:19] < Gryllida > MC8: it's ok, just needs to make it clear that WN:MA and WN:DISPUTE are different [20:19] < BarkingFish > If arbcom can be party to sensitive information, any member likely to view such information should be identified. It's like CU and OS, the sensitive info thing still applies. [20:19] < MC8 > WN:MA is somewhat outdated, it's not been edited since 2007 [20:19] < Mikemoral > Cirt and bawolff are identified on ArbCom. [20:19] == Wackywace [5e0c776b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.12.119.107] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:20] < Gryllida > (you call it 'mediated dispute request' which resembles both) in this case we can merge them or link to Water cooler instead of MA at the dispute resolution page. [20:20] < B-R-S > Hi wackywace [20:20] < Gryllida > Hello Wackywace [20:20]  Hello all! [20:20] < dendodge > I would be willing to identify, but I'm too young, and thus would not be allowed to sit. Not that anyone would vote for me anyway :P [20:21] < BarkingFish > How about going by the UN inspired name for Dispute Resolution. [20:21] < dendodge > (I'm not saying I want to, I'm just saying that is the case) [20:21] < BarkingFish > Conflict Interventionm [20:21] < BarkingFish > *-m [20:21] < Gryllida > I would be willing to identify after a few months of work at Wikinews at least. I wasn't very active so far. [20:22] < pizero > This isn't public identification, it's private identification to wmf. [20:22] < pizero > One can still be anonymous, as I understand it. [20:22] < MC8 > BarkingFish: I like that. It doesn't imply that all cases would be successful [20:23] < BarkingFish > right [20:23] < B-R-S > Yeah, that's right pizero [20:23] < dendodge > Unfortunately, the Foundation only accepts you if you're over 18. Which is a bummer for us, since out user base is made up primarily of teenagers :P [20:23] < dendodge > *our [20:23] < pizero > Not exactly a problem for me. :-) [20:23] < Mikemoral > They take under 18s for OTRS, iirc. [20:23] < dendodge > Do they? [20:23] < B-R-S > " only accepts you if you're over 18" - for CU and OS. [20:23] < B-R-S  > We're talking ArbCom. [20:24]  @Mikemoral Do they? [20:24] < pizero > ... and ArbCom is treated as if they were all CUs. [20:24] < dendodge > Ooh, "16 years of age or older" [20:24]  * dendodge volunteers for OTRS :) [20:24] < Mikemoral > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/volunteering [20:24] < Mikemoral > Yes. [20:24] < BarkingFish > so, just to be clear, arbcom does, or does not require you to ID? [20:25] < Mikemoral > does not on WN. [20:25] < pizero > Depends on the project. [20:25] < pizero > :-) [20:25] < BarkingFish > ok, then I might stand. [20:25] < dendodge > Out of interest, who here would be willing to stand? [20:25] * B-R-S would never be supported for it [20:26]  * Mikemoral avoids drama, so no. [20:26] < dendodge > I would if I expected to be supported, but I don't, so I probably won't unless we get very few nominations. [20:26] < pizero > I'm probably willing to stand again, but it may depend on whether there's a "Questions for all candidates" page. [20:27] < pizero > It really was a rough experience, last year. [20:27] < BarkingFish > and if it's as rough this time, I'm out. [20:27] < dendodge > I don't care about roughness.  I'm a big boy.  I can take it. [20:27] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Dispute resolution filing/editnotice http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?oldid=1228794&rcid=1198694 (+1439) creating [20:27] < MC8 > ^^ [20:28] < dendodge > I probably will stand just to increase the variety of choice, but I really don't expect to win. [20:28] < pizero > Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee [20:28] < B-R-S > There's a whole six seats, and very few regularly active who could/would do it, dendodge [20:28] < MC8 > Ahem. We're getting distracted. [20:28] < Gryllida > MC8: You got the inclination right. That looks ok [20:28] < BarkingFish > yes, we are. [20:29] == Wackywace [5e0c776b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.12.119.107] has quit [Quit: Page closed] [20:29] < Gryllida > (The edit notice) [20:29] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Dispute resolution filing/editnotice http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228795&oldid=1228794&rcid=1198695 (+2) + [20:30] < pizero > Wikilink2_ isn't picking that up. [20:30] < Mikemoral > Anything else to say on the DR process? [20:30] < MC8 > pizero: yes, it ignores wn-rc [20:30] < BarkingFish > Template:Dispute resolution filing/editnotice [20:30] == Wackywace [~Wackywace@5e0c776b.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:31] < BarkingFish > i'm done. [20:31] < BarkingFish > Mikemoral: ^ [20:31] * Gryllida too. [20:31] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Dispute resolution filing/editnotice http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228798&oldid=1228795&rcid=1198697 (+62) +pleonasm [20:31] < MC8 > "Is the blocking policy too ambiguous?" [20:32] <+wn-rc> User:Brian McNeil changed Water cooler/assistance http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228799&oldid=1228782&rcid=1198698 (+366) /* University of Wollongong */ cm [20:32] < BarkingFish > Yes, considering it gets you into trouble when you do stuff you're told you can do. [20:32] < pizero > I like that it's mostly guideline, but is that a different question? [20:32] < BarkingFish > It shouldn't be a guideline, it needs to become a policy ALL admins must follow. [20:32] < B-R-S > This stems from the unanimously declined attempt to have Barking's admin. It's very vague, and even contradictory. [20:33] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed IRC workshop http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228800&oldid=1228786&rcid=1198699 (+61) +1 [20:33] < B-R-S > Also, we should state in it consensus about the comments namespace: i.e. almost never to block trolls, racists etc [20:33] < BarkingFish > Saying it's a guideline gives users too much free rein to do what they like within those guidelines. [20:33] < Gryllida > What part of the policy do you find vague? [20:33] < pizero > Detailed blocking *policy* is just an invitation to a mess. [20:33] < BarkingFish > Gryllida: In three words - all of it. [20:33] < Gryllida > :D [20:33] < pizero > I miss the sane WN policy when I'm on Wikibooks. [20:33] < BarkingFish > It says one thing at the top, then tells you something different underneath [20:34] < pizero > The guideline is a mess, though, I agree that needs fixing. [20:34] == MC8 changed the topic of #wikinews-workshop to: Welcome to the Wikinews Workshop! Is the blocking policy too ambiguous? How best can we identify and help our Australian students? Does the speedy deletion policy need an overhaul? [20:34] < Mikemoral > We should at least be required to warn bedore blocking. [20:34] < Mikemoral > *before [20:34] < BarkingFish > Not always [20:34] < B-R-S > But usually... [20:34] < BarkingFish > I'd disagree with that. [20:34] < pizero > Warn before blocking? Kittesonfire. [20:34] < pizero > Guideline. [20:35] < BarkingFish > In cases where we have mass socks, like the cat igniting witch of the north, they can and SHOULD be hit without notice [20:35] < MC8 > I'm opposed to indefinite blocks for anything more than the usual spammers/socks/SPAs [20:35] < BarkingFish > indef should be a fixed rule when we spot anything like that, and should not be up for question [20:35] < MC8 > no, indef should _never_ be mandatory [20:35] < B-R-S > It can remain guideline whilst still being a little firmer about how much room for interpretation there is, otherwise we have arguments over where the line is. Which are a distraction from mainspace. [20:35] < BarkingFish > MC8: wrong. [20:35] < pizero > There will be some other exception. Admins need to feel they can exercise common sense. [20:35] < Gryllida > I think that the "When to block" section and the "Other block situations" section can be merged, and each situation outlined in detail. There being two lists confuse somewhat. Then, in each section, a link to warning templates can be added, and an explanation about how to warn. [20:36] < MC8 > It can be strongly advised, but shouldn't be "must" [20:36] < BarkingFish > With recognisable socks, an indef should be mandatory, period. [20:36] < Gryllida > BarkingFish: You always can have that discussed while a temporary block is in place :) [20:36] < Gryllida > BarkingFish: The outcome of discussion would be a block extension if needed.. [20:36] < BarkingFish > Gryllida: How long should a temporary block be though? A week, a day, 12 hours? [20:37] < Gryllida > A week, for example. This should be enough for a discussion to finish. [20:37] < Mikemoral > 12-24 hours for the first time. [20:37] < BarkingFish > Knock them on the head from the start, then discuss shortening it if its warranted. [20:37] < BarkingFish > Shoot first, find out what the hell they wanted later. [20:37] < Gryllida > What Mikemoral said. Then if the user continues disruption, place longer blocks. [20:37] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed IRC workshop http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228802&oldid=1228800&rcid=1198700 (+66) add date for the next one in two weeks time [20:37] < Gryllida > While we place those blocks, we can ponder indef. block in a discussion. [20:38] < pizero > Reasonable duration depends on circumstances. [20:38] < BarkingFish > Gryllida: I don't agree with that at all. With a clear, obvious sock of a known sock, there should be no need for a discussion. [20:38] < Gryllida > We have good RC partollers/administrators time coverage and it will not cause much harm done if an indefinite block is delayed. [20:38] < BarkingFish > like FittiesonKire for example. [20:38] < BarkingFish > It's bloody obvious who they were. [20:39] < pizero > We can also discuss shortening a block (even an indef one). [20:39] < BarkingFish > I don't see how discussing an indef, when it's obviously going to end in an indef, will help matters in any way whatsoever [20:39] < B-R-S > Well, yes. Indef is not permanent. However, common sense should prevail. [20:39] < MC8 > You should be _allowed_ to indef, at your discretion, for anything that isn't a long-term editor. You should never be _forced_ to use indef. [20:39] < pizero > It won't help flaming young cats. [20:39] < BarkingFish > That's one thing that does need VERY clear work. [20:39] < BarkingFish > It needs explaining somewhere that Indef does not mean "until you die" [20:40] < BarkingFish > Indef means indefinite, or of undetermined length. It's not a death sentence and shouldn't be treated like one [20:40] < pizero > The indef notice doesn't mention how to request unblock, does it? It should. [20:40] < pizero > (With an override.) [20:40] < BarkingFish > I thought it did, but I'll look [20:40] < MC8 > We could change the interface message to something less sinister [20:40] < B-R-S > Yes, it should if it doesn't [20:41] < MC8 > Well, indef is an administrative and categorisation template; being an arse is probably still the best bet [20:41] < Gryllida > ok, so is it documented that indefinite blocks are allowed? [20:42] < Gryllida > I don't think so. The page needs to be rewritten in two sections, when to block and for how long [20:43] == brianmc-laptop [~brianmc@wikinews/brianmc] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:43] < pizero > I always have to consult en.wp to remind me about all those finicky settings on the block. [20:43] * brianmc-laptop is not really here.... [20:43] < B-R-S  > ...Oh yes you are! [20:44] < pizero > If you can see it, and it's not there, it's virtual. [20:44] < MC8 > A matrix of "3RR -- 24hrs max; Socking: Indef advised for SPA, 36hrs max for established users" etc [20:45] < B-R-S > Yeah. We can argue the fine points about the lengths and when to seek consensus for longer, but the plan is decent. [20:45] < BarkingFish > pizero: If users on indef were to request unblock, could they use the same methods for normal blocks, or should they just be via email? [20:45] < pizero > Why should they be different? [20:46] < MC8 > On-wiki should always be preferable to off-wiki, in any case [20:46] < BarkingFish > i doubt they'd be able to edit their own talk page in some cases [20:46] < pizero > If they can't use their own talk page, they probably can't email either. [20:46] * MC8 keeps meaning to go through the blocks and untick that box after a few days [20:46] < BarkingFish > they send to a pasted address though, not through Special:EmailUser [20:46] < BarkingFish > so they'd send most likely from their own client [20:47] < pizero > That seems at least somewhat separate from length of block. [20:48] < pizero > talk/email blocks are likely to coincide with indef, though. [20:48] < B-R-S > talk/email is only disabled for those who abuse them e.g. Kittiesonfire [20:49] < BarkingFish > yeah, but they could still email the address in the block template - wikinews-i@wikimedia.org [20:49] < BarkingFish > from whatever client they use, kmail, outlook express or whatever [20:49] * brianmc-laptop points MC8 at RC and threatens xe with three of the best for an incorrect block removal [20:49] * MC8 disputes that [20:49] < brianmc-laptop > Did you even check xyr contribution history? [20:50] < MC8 > Yes. [20:50] < brianmc-laptop > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/Special:Contributions/Psychonaut [20:51] < MC8 > brianmc-laptop: take this to #wikinews [20:51] < brianmc-laptop > Anyone else want to offer an opinion? [20:53] < Gryllida > About? [20:54] < BarkingFish > pizero: I'm gonna make a minor change to the indef template, I'll rollback if you want, but this is an idea of what the indef template would look like with the unblock info in. [20:54] < BarkingFish > pizero: http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Indefblocked&oldid=1221814&diff=cur&diffonly=0&shownotice=1 [20:54] < pizero > brianmc-latptop: Vandalism only on Wikinews. Contributions on other projects don't obviously override that, as their attitude to Wikinews may differ from their attitudes to other projects. (When did this public workshop turn into an admin workshop?) [20:54] < BarkingFish > anyone on wiki, please don't sight this [20:54] < MC8 > wn-rc: wpl add Template:Indefblocked [20:54] <+wn-rc> Template:Indefblocked has been added to watched pages list. [20:55] < BarkingFish > obviously, the text size in the box could do with some shrinking to make it a bit smaller, that's a bit large imo [20:55] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Indefblocked http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228809&oldid=1228808&rcid=1198707 (-85) rmv 403 [20:56] < brianmc-laptop > The problem with using the wikinews OTRS address is that after it was 'conveniently' taken off myself the queue only got looked at once or twice a month. [20:58] == qwebirc84467 [4a244411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.36.68.17] has joined #wikinews-workshop [20:58] < MC8 > qwebirc84467: type /nick [20:59] < B-R-S > That assumes xe's even registered ;) Could be a guest poping in. Hi to them either way. :) [21:00] == qwebirc84467 has changed nick to Nascar1996 [21:00] < dendodge > It's a Nascar! [21:01] < Gryllida > Nascar1996! [21:01] < pizero > That template is messed up. It has two s in it, but only one. Even I can tell that's not right. [21:01] == B-R-S [~Sandman@wikinews/Blood-Red-Sandman] has quit [Quit: I need to get into the real world] [21:01] == Nascar1996 [4a244411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.36.68.17] has quit [Client Quit] [21:01] < Mikemoral > Seeing we are going off topic again, any last words on the blocking policy? [21:02] < BarkingFish > pizero: Which, the new indefblocked one? [21:02] < BarkingFish > yes. [21:02] < BarkingFish > It needs fixing, clarifying and making a proper policy. Guidelines are no good if when you follow them you get bollocked. [21:03] < brianmc-laptop > Oh, to cover the other point in the discussion - the Auzzies..... [21:03] < BarkingFish > The whole BP at the moment is as clear as mud, and serves no purpose other than to confuse the hell out of you. [21:03] < pizero > *Good* guidelines aren't such a problem, and objections get raised anyway when it's a policy (as I've seen elsewhere). [21:03] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Indefblocked http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228811&oldid=1228809&rcid=1198709 (-11) fix on behalf of pizero [21:03] < brianmc-laptop > I can ask them when I'm on the conference call with Prof Blackall this Thursday night :D [21:04] < Mikemoral > Are we ready for the next item on the agenda? [21:04] < pizero > I'm not happy with the existing guidelines in the BP. Unstable version. [21:04] < BarkingFish > there isn't one, i don't think, Mikemoral [21:04] < Mikemoral > "How best can we identify and help our Australian students?" [21:04] < BarkingFish > oh, yes there is :) [21:04] < pizero > We're already on that, while still talking about the previous one. [21:04] < pizero > Keep up! :-) [21:05] < brianmc-laptop > I believe I just answered that :D [21:05] < pizero > Sounded like a good answer to me. [21:05] < Mikemoral > And the last item then. [21:05] < BarkingFish > you can simply ask them to add a note to their userpage when they first edit, or put UoW student 2011 in their first edit summary [21:05] < Mikemoral > "Does the speedy deletion policy need an overhaul?" [21:06] < brianmc-laptop > No. [21:06] <+wn-rc> User:Microchip08 changed Template:Indefblocked http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=1228812&oldid=1228811&rcid=1198710 (-6) + [21:06] < MC8 > Yes. [21:06] < BarkingFish > not that I can see. It works perfectly well [21:06] < brianmc-laptop > Why? [21:06] < MC8 > There's nothing on commentspace, for starters. [21:06] < pizero > Huh? [21:06] < MC8 > When does one delete a thread, for example [21:06] < pizero > Oh. [21:07] < brianmc-laptop > One does not [21:07] < BarkingFish > they don't [21:07] < MC8 > Not at all? [21:07] < brianmc-laptop > Nope. [21:07] < BarkingFish > Comment space, sorry, Trollspace, is left entirely alone [21:07] < brianmc-laptop > Not an entire thread [21:07] < pizero > What about libel and copyvio? [21:07] < dendodge > Not even if it's a copyvio? [21:07] < pizero >      ^ [21:07] < MC8 > But what about a fragment, or whatever it's called? [21:07] < Mikemoral > Or total nonsense. [21:07] < brianmc-laptop > You would, obviously, delete copyvio and other items that should be globally applied [21:07] < BarkingFish > See the AAA for that one. [21:07] < dendodge > Do we delete a 10kB post about llamas, or does it stay and clog up the page? [21:08] < MC8 > And currently everything is bundled under a header for "articles"; there's very few explicitly defined global reasons [21:08] < brianmc-laptop > Llamas are lovely! [21:08] < dendodge > Yes, they are. [21:08] < brianmc-laptop > This is pointless wikilawyering [21:08] < MC8 > At the very least, we need to rearrange the order to remove the ambiguity. [21:09] < brianmc-laptop > I need to go find a power point.... [21:09] < MC8 > Admins should be accountable. When there's unclear rules and regs as to what to do, that falls apart. [21:09] < pizero > Is "pointless wikilawyering" redundant? [21:09] == brianmc-laptop [~brianmc@wikinews/brianmc] has quit [Quit: Out of Batteries] [21:09] < pizero > Batteries? Who knew brianmc ran on batteries? [21:09] < pizero > (Sorry about that.) [21:09] < MC8 > http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Speedy_deletion_policy#Criteria shakeup [21:10] < BarkingFish > I wonder why nobody told me my issue with amgine had been closed? [21:11] < Gryllida > BarkingFish: #wikinews :) [21:11] < pizero > It went out with a whimper. [21:11] < BarkingFish > yep [21:11] < BarkingFish > "No support for removal" [21:11] < MC8 > I feel that everything an admin does should be written down. There's no reason that it can't be, and it minimises the fallout when an admin goes one bold too far [21:12] < BarkingFish > but going back to the removing of stuff from trollspace, I'll paste here what Brian told me on that RFP/Removal [21:12] < BarkingFish > "If, short of clear libel, or incitement to illegal acts, it improves readership, it is serving its purpose; " [21:12] < pizero > MC8: Red tape is evil. [21:12] < BarkingFish > In short, unless it's illegal or libellous, leave it alone [21:13] < pizero > Patent nonsense, though. [21:13] < dendodge > We should really leave 10kB rants about llamas? [21:13] < pizero > eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasdfjkl;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;, for example. [21:14] < BarkingFish > Well I guess I can go back to doing what I normally do, and wait for the next one to surface. I can go back to regular admin duties now. [21:14] < dendodge > iewubgfanxmfgrsbjksdinsoapbiouvehrdpfvfdsdfsvggf.bhmg/k.t............................... for another example :) [21:14] < dendodge > (Lol, I spelt "soap"! :D ) [21:14] < Gryllida > too long [21:14] < MC8 > pizero: I disagree. Red tape, in this case, makes it easier for newbies to understand. Instruction creep, on the other hand, is a bad thing. But a "do"s and "don't"s keeps people in check. When does one know when one is circumventing policy? If it's defined, there's less arguing when someone disagrees. [21:14] < BarkingFish > dendodge: in what language? Mongolian? [21:15] < dendodge > No, it has "soap" tucked away in the middle :) [21:15] < dendodge > "in soap bio", to be precise. [21:15] * dendodge returns to the topic. [21:16] < pizero > MC8: We're talking back and forth in generalities, and one can go forever without getting anywhere that way. [21:16] == Wackywace [~Wackywace@5e0c776b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] [21:16] < pizero > Are we ready to close this workshop? Is there really anything more to accomplish here? [21:17] < MC8 > Someone commenting on my proposal on Wikinews talk:SD would be nice :P [21:17] < Mikemoral > I don't think so. [21:17] < Mikemoral > It's been actually somewhat productive today. :) [21:17] < Gryllida > We can edit the blocking policy together if someone likes to do it now. I don't know whether we do that. [21:17] < Gryllida > Well, at the workshops at least. [21:17] < Mikemoral > That's something we discuss on-wiki. [21:18] < Gryllida > ok [21:18] < Mikemoral > So, unless anyone wants to add something, I think we are done. [21:18] < pizero > Blocking policy: Unstable branch would be good. [21:18] < pizero > (All I wanted to add. :-) ) [21:19] < Mikemoral > This concludes the meeting then. [21:19] < MikemoralClone > <--logging ends here-->

title: Wikinews:IRC workshop/May 8, 2011


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User talk:Periquitoloco

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User talk:Fedfil

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Talk:Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'

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Diverted from where? I think that should be in the title. アンパロ Io ti odio! 22:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


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User talk:Leodescal

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Thread:Comments:Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'/Comments from feedback form - "There was also another signifi..."

There was also another significant airline news story that came out today... apparently a plane headed towards Chicago had to stop at St. Louis because a passenger tried to open the door :/


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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/1984 anyone?/reply

I agree. This makes me quite uncomfortable as well.


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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/BIG BROTHER

Big bro is watching and listening...156.8.251.250 (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'/Comments from feedback form - "There was also another signifi..."/reply

to go play outside?156.8.251.250 (talk) 05:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


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User talk:Sneegdha

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User talk:Jams~enwikinews

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Jams. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Jams~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:Alfredojvergel

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Thread:Comments:Queensland cab conversations to be recorded/1984 anyone?/reply (2)

Next it will be buses, trains, etc. This is going to open the door to record everything any anything in any form of public/private transportation services anywhere.


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User talk:Y.Jogaprajahpan

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User talk:Thomasgevans

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User talk:Abdullahrind

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BALOCHISTAN'S burden of slavery
First off, we really appreciate your contribution.

But sometimes users submit an article from somewhere else, not realizing that Wikinews cannot keep copy-and-paste versions of articles which are published elsewhere under a restrictive copyright. An article created in this way is a copyright violation, and Wikinews policy is to erase these even if they are excellent article ideas.

Another problem which sometimes comes up is press releases: Press releases are sometimes excellent sources, but they do not qualify as unbiased news articles so they can't be published as they are. Two key things to remember about press releases is that they're usually written to represent the viewpoint of an involved party (Thus likely running foul of our Neutral Point of View policy). And second, they are generally covered by copyright which can conflict with our open editing approach.

A better way to get an article on an exciting subject published here is to write an original article following the guidelines described in writing an article, or to write a brief explanation of the subject and include the url address of articles or websites to use as sources. If you are part of the story that the article is about, you may also wish to consider requesting an interview rather than writing the article yourself.

Thanks again! --Gryllida 03:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:BigT1983

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User talk:Esthermary

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Thread:Comments:Australian PM Gillard pressured to address human rights crackdown in China/Comments from feedback form - "Hopefully Australia will be ab..."/reply

Why not investigate American Human Rights violations. If this is going to solve human rights abuse, then whole world is made out of silly putty (it might be). Maybe stopping organisations like these might stop human rights violations as a whole, because these organisations might be pressuring such governments. Philosophically speaking, these human rights violation groups are probably creating more human rights abuse than if there none of these groups (ironically). That's why you never endorse a group that slanters a government/religion. Or is it just an attempt to undermine an emerging superpower, before another superpower falls.


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User talk:Virendrasy

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User talk:Subcavasonora

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Thread:Comments:Australian town to change name to promote road safety/not too bad/reply (2)

Oh great... Another government advertisment... It really isn't going to do much, placing a huge ad over an entire town...


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User talk:Mengardo

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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (6)

I kind of detest 1) not being considered intelligent enough as a member of the public for events to portray their own seriousness without manipulation. The emphasis should have been in words such as, "extremely serious assault." or "critical injuries", not, "And the attackers favorite quote of the day is..." 2) one was enough.

I have neither read the article or intend to, much as in might have interested me, had I not been able to draw a conclusion (any conclusion) about the authors before letting my interest guide me into it. Blood Red Sandmans comment, for instance, is 1) an excuse, but it is also 2) a motive. There is absolutely no need for excuses or motives in this or any other article. It can belie nothing only manipulation. I understand the motive full well, isn't it well founded? But, I'd have thought that here on Wikinews that sensationalism was skillfully avoided and with foresight and guidance. Surely half the folk reading and writing around here are budding journalists, be that professional or otherwise. Sensationalism, manipulation, is always the yukky stick.

I cannot recall the last time I was so bemused that I pulled a second cigarette from the box without even lighting the first one as I have just now so I am going to go and think about giving up smoking. If someone from Wikinews could go away and think about never ever being accused of sensationalism, that events speak for themsevles, that human nature is true and resolves itself only when we do not select the emotions of others to exaggerate and aggitate when they are obviously having their own emotions already. It is in this type of case that we really need to keep peoples emotions in check and if that doesn't ring true, if you are like, "Yes, but this is why we did it and let's do it again..." or "No, we want to manipulate peoples emotions when we find them running high, because we know the *best* ways to do it..."


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User talk:Penpaperpencil

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User talk:Jonathan Henrique

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User talk:Xavierrom

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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (7)

It is the very definition of sensationalism. If you know what sensationalism is not, let's see what you think it is and we will see if in fact it is the same. There can be no other reason to highlight that quote than to highlight the emotion it causes, or, *the sensation*. Or what other reason is there? Because it was the popular quote to highlight? And for what reason was it popular as such? Because of the sensation it produced. It's like the paradox of the chicken and the egg. There were eggs a lot longer than there have been chickens. Case closed?


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User talk:Dh33636

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User talk:Muhammad Abdullah Azam Khan

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Thread:Comments:Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'/Comments from feedback form - "There was also another signifi..."/reply (2)

Maybe he thought he was skydiving?


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User talk:Moyennax

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Australian airline Qantas faces engineers strike

May 10, 2011

Engineers from the Australian airline Qantas are to hold a one-hour strike on Friday amid fears over job security. The strike will likely cause disruption for thousands of passengers.

The strike was called after negotiations between the, an engineers' union, and the airline, broke down. "What interests us more is job security, and for aircraft engineers that means simply being able to carry out aircraft maintenance in Australia," Steve Purvinas, the secretary of the ALAEA, said. It is likely the strike will be the first in a line of industrial action.

Purvinas said last-ditch negotiations between the ALAEA and Qantas before a judge yesterday had "hit a brick wall." Analysts say the strike will probably have a huge impact on Qantas flights. The airline said it was "extremely disappointed" at the strike action but said disruption would be minimal. "We will not be able to negotiate on some of the demands they have put forward, they are simply unacceptable," an airline spokesperson said.

The ALAEA said the main concern was that Qantas was outsourcing more work overseas and maintenance checks on aircraft are becoming less regular. Pervinas said Qantas engineers were "sick of the systematic dismantling of our industry by Qantas management."


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User talk:Psgs123xyz

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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (8)

You've not read the article? Pah! Then you're claiming one line is sensationalist from a position of ignorance.


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User talk:Majormars

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User talk:Leadership and team development

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Thread:Comments:Macaque kills newborn in Malaysia/HUMANS AT FAULT AGAIN...

"population pressure and shrinking natural habitats" -humans encroach on the animal's habitat...what the hell do you expect??!!156.8.251.250 (talk) 11:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


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Thread:Comments:Passenger flight diverted to New Mexico after 'security threat'/Comments from feedback form - "There was also another signifi..."/reply (3)

Apparently he had a rough Mother's Day...


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File:Osama bin Laden making a video at his compound in Pakistan.jpg

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https://kb.defense.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/478, "All imagery on our websites are considered public domain. If you are looking to use the images for commercial purposes, we ask that you adhere to the following guidelines as published on our DefenseImagery website." Images/videos can be found here: http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4820. -Also, during the meeting, a reporter asked about the videos: SR. INTEL OFFICIAL: We do not know the dates of these clips we just showed you. As Bryan mentioned, the video files are on DVD. They will be provided at the end of the background briefing. I think there’s enough for one per person.

Q: Is that the extent of the clips that will be provided on the DVD, just those five?

''SR. INTEL OFFICIAL: Today. They’re yours to use as you like. Just please source them to the U.S. government. Finally, we will hand out with the DVDs an on-the-record comment from Leon Panetta, director of the CIA. And with that, I will open it up to questions. ''

For fair use / fair dealing in articles about the videos seized from Abbottabad, such as Al-Qaeda says bin Laden death will 'not be wasted'; Pentagon releases videos of terrorist leader in compound. This image is believed to be the property of Al Qaeda, and is used to communicate news of the video.


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Four U.N. staff dead after plane crash in Bolivia

May 10, 2011 Six people, including four U.N. staff working for the anti-narcotics department in Bolivia, have been killed in a plane crash in a remote area in the west of the country.

Two pilots are also among those killed in the accident, which happened in the  area, northeast of the capital city,. The aircraft had been missing since Thursday and was found on Saturday morning according to a general in the, who added the light aircraft hit a tall tree and then impacted the ground.

Robert Brockmann, a U.N. spokesperson in Bolivia, said the aircraft "was completely destroyed and burned." Investigators have not yet determined what caused the accident, but Brockmann said the aircraft was in an area with overgrown trees and steep cliffs.

The bodies of the pilots and U.N. personnel, who had been monitoring the transport of —a plant used to make —over several months, have yet to be recovered because of the remote location of the crash site. "The place is completly inaccessible in a very tall forest," the general said.


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"I have neither read the article or intend to..."

Well then, I have no intention of wasting my time on the rest of your comment. Ta ta for now!


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"I have neither read the article [n]or intend to..."

Sorry, I'm a stickler for that particular grammatical construct =P


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (11)

It's an old debate. The sensationalist is the bad guy every time. If you consider it new or original or even particular to this article it is scarcely worth debating, but it is always worth pointing out because, the sensationalist is the bad guy, every time.

He (the guy on trial) is probably in some pub right now thinking about that remark making a world headline with a smug grin. How clever he was. And why shouldn't you clap him on the back, right?

Why was the title not:-

'Fucking Bastard!':London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim

or,

'You fucking cunt, you'll remember this day for the rest of your life.':London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim

Because whoever wrote it was twisting it to their own design. It should read:-

London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim

It should not have a selected quote, a selected joke, or a rating out of ten. Deep inquiry is not required to draw that conlusion or to verify it. End of story.


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Muy bueno con articulos varios y tratados con suma objetividad, sus aportes son de suma ayuda, Exelente!!


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Whilst the quote isnt genuine, it is quite good nonetheless.

And why would one laugh at people who agree with it?


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Talk:Wikinews interviews evicted London Metropolitan University occupier

Interview notes
My raw notes, typed on the fly while on the phone London Met occupation evicted at midnight by police.

On phone with one of the occupiers: John Hughes, stydent 2nd year sociology and international devel;opment not sure if course is on the chopping block, joint course migyht be cut

mature student - 35, working most of my life, traveling, living in Hackney and Brixton. Norn in Hackneys, North London.

"we're a very mixed grop, some from london, some from ioutside lonsdon workinc class and some some middle class"

- When were you served with the injunction?

"we were served with the injuction basically on the spot by 2 county court sherruffs as well as 4 police officers, 10 bailffs" "we werew given minutes notice"

"we need time to read this" we were given ten minutes to read it and take our stuff.

"I've had a bit of advice who are not actually lawyers"

"There's definitely someone there who hadn't committed trespass at all". It was applied for without notifying occupiers. thet have to have another heraing the occuupiers can attend.

- When did you know the police were in the building?

"as I came in the area we were occupying they came straight in the door, I saw three gentlemen come straight in and thety delivered the inhunctonb asically

"there was noi warninhgf at all"

2:30am wntry -- the uni'#s been employinf an outside security firm, 25 a day. basically art some point lasr night they kicked open one of the doors stainfg there wasd an alarm giong ooff, which ther wasbl;t, appears tghey may have vbroken onme o the fpprsd.

"One of the members of the security team said through the doors to a young lady, 'you should put up a picture of yourself, something that's more sexy'. 'I'm quite a big door, and if I wanted to come into the occupation I would. Two young ladies are not going to stop me.'

thte's been a dew other incidents wgere they've been kicking doors to awke people up, there's vbeen a dew racist comments overheard.

-there were varios agreements regareding access, you had to show your ID card to get in nd you needed to show it again to get into the actual occupation space.

LMU security agreed that they could have food but no other deliveries. There was a bit of a dispute between the internal and external security.

Regarding the vice chancellor, the demands of the occupation were put ot the VC by e-mail. "Today there was a liason between the head of the student union and hte managemnent that there would be a meeting at 6 o'clock, but then during the exam Jonathon Wood turned up at theoccupation" "I don't actually think you will be having a meeting with the vice chancellor" I find that very disrespectful and condescending

later on an agreement was made to meet te vice chancellor at 9:30am tomorrow. vc decided not to

- How long would you have been able to hold out for?

we had food there, water and drinks for a while. I'm not sue fior how long.

when it started it was about 60, when we were bnooted there were at least 20.

Typo
"Wikinews interview evicted London Metropolitan University occupier" should be "Wikinews interviews evicted London Metropolitan University occupier"

Hope that helps.

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 * I tried to get a comment off London Met, their switchboard wasn't picking up. --Killing Vector (talk) 13:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


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Wikinews interviews evicted London Metropolitan University occupier

May 10, 2011 A group of students at (LMU) who had been  the  at their university since the afternoon of Wednesday May 4 were evicted just before midnight on Monday by police, university security and private bailiffs.

Wikinews, in contact with the occupiers, obtained a first-hand interview with one of the occupiers less than two hours after the occupation ended. The students staged the occupation in protest against cutbacks to courses at the university which, if enacted, would close 70% of the courses the university offers.

John Hughes, 35, a born in the  borough of  and living in, was one of over twenty students who were sleeping overnight in the university building. A second-year student in and, one of the courses at risk, Hughes described the police intervention at around 11:40pm:

"As I came in the area we were occupying they came straight in the door...There was no warning. [...] We were served the injunction on the spot by two county court sheriffs, four police officers, ten bailiffs and one member of London Met security. We said, 'we need time to read this'. We were given ten minutes to read it and take our stuff." The occupiers have not had access to legal advice, although they have had "a bit of advice from some people who are not actually lawyers". The occupiers complain they were given no notice of the injunction and that it is inaccurate, naming at least one person "who hadn't committed trespass at all".

The eviction also pre-empts an agreement, negotiated by London Metropolitan University Students' Union president Claire Locke, for LMU vice-chancellor Malcolm Gillies to meet with the occupation on Tuesday morning. The occupiers feel certain now that Gillies' office made this agreement with the Students' Union and occupiers in bad faith, knowing that an injunction evicting the occupation would be served before then.

The injunction follows a night after the occupation was itself invaded by members of a private security firm hired by the university management. In the early hours of Monday morning, occupiers say security staff kicked open the doors and entered an area where people were sleeping. Security personnel say an alarm was going off in the area; occupiers say there was no such alarm. Private security have also been sexually harassing and verbally intimidating the occupiers, Hughes alleges. "One of the members of the security team said through the doors to a young lady, 'you should put up a picture of yourself, something that's more sexy' and 'I'm quite a big bloke, and if I wanted to come into the occupation I would. Two young ladies are not going to stop me.'" Occupiers have also heard some racist comments from private security; the occupiers themselves are "a very mixed group" of all ages and ethnicities, "some from London, some from outside London, working class and some middle class."

If the occupation had not been evicted, Hughes says they could have held out. "We had water, food and drinks for a while. I'm not sure for how long." Students at in Wales occupied two rooms at their university for over a month earlier this year.


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Nothing honourable in honour killings, says Indian court

May 10, 2011

India's has labelled  a "slur on the nation," and warned the death penalty will await those found guilty of the crime. The court finds "nothing honourable about honour killings."

An independent study says each year an estimated 900 people are murdered in India for bringing dishonour to their families, usually by falling in love and marrying outside their caste or within their sub-caste. , accepted as a cultural tradition in some parts of India, are normally punished with life imprisonment. But Justices Markandey Katju and Gyan Sudha Misra have now called for a tougher stance, directing courts throughout India to use capital punishment in their sentencing. "It is time to stamp out these barbaric, feudal practices which are a slur on the nation. This is necessary as a deterrent for such outrageous, uncivilised behaviour. All persons who are planning to perpetrate honour killings should know that gallows await them," Justice Katju said.

The crack-down came yesterday, as the Supreme Court dismissed an appeal to lessen the life imprisonment of Bhagwan Dass. The man strangled his married daughter to death with wire after discovering she was in an incestuous affair.

The Supreme Court also condemned the traditional village councils who endorse these honour killings and order them to be carried out.


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User talk:PatriSofiZai

-- 12:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:PatriSofiZai


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User talk:Asmita kale

-- 12:25, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Asmita kale


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User talk:ArtyomsLogin

-- 12:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:ArtyomsLogin


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User talk:Simonet63

-- 12:35, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Simonet63


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Thread:Comments:Microsoft to release patches for 64 security flaws on Tuesday/Comments from feedback form - "CRAP"

CRAP


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User talk:Cheralu

-- 12:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Cheralu


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User talk:Dushyantkumar Vasekar

-- 12:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Dushyantkumar Vasekar


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User talk:AfroThundr3007730

-- 12:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:AfroThundr3007730


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text: Comments:Wikinews interview evicted London Metropolitan University occupier


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Thread:Comments:'Where is your god now?': London policemen on trial accused of beating Muslim/Sensationalism headline/reply (14)

When I search the Water Cooler Policies archives for the word "sensationalism" I get 1 hit and it has nothing to do with writing for Wikinews so it's obviously something that you haven't acknowledged and apparently something with does not stir a lot of you, which is a shame.