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Some remarks from germany
I really cannot understand this anymore. Hi, I am from Germany. This morning I heard in WDR ( a German Radio Station) that our Technical Aid Service is standing by since Wednesday with equipment like, machines to make drinking water, huge pumps, etc.) They could have been already there and serve about 50.000 people. But your president told the german aid organizations, that you could manage alone. To be honest, it doesn't look like. Are the americans too proud to take help from others? Do they rather let thousands of people die?

Second remark is about the looting. Even in the Tsunami where hundert thousands died, in 3rd world countries, there was help from the people to each other. I personally volunteered there and I have seen how even criminals from distroyed prisons were helping the people in danger. Instead of moving together and show humanity, the americans kill each other for a new television or other stolen goods.

I really believe now that there is something fundamently wrong in your country. I really hope that american citizens recognize that.

Regards from "good old europe"

frank / Cologne-Germany

 * Frank, thank you for your astute observations. I must,in defense of the American people, take a stab at "why" many of our citizens act as they do. Firstly, because my comments might otherwise seem outrageous, for credibility purposes, I should draw you attention to the fact that my edit at the very top of the page here [] BEFORE THE HURRICANE EVEN HIT LAND was the only prediction anywhere on the internet that the U.S. government's response would be so cavalier and ineffectual. Most non-Americans,(who our government refers to as "foreigners" or "aliens") make 2 faulty assumptions; One is that the USA is under the control of government officials who care about the bottom third (poor) people of America. If you think about this for a moment you will realize that is not the case. That is why 50 million WORKING Americans have no health insurance at all; the people on welfare are slightly better off because at least they receive crappy health care. I have come to the awkward conclusion that our most powerful politicians actually think its a good thing when the poorer people in America die unnecessarily; in fact, the 2 most powerful men in America actually belong to a sadistic cult which embraces predatory classism and believes that the poorer people are "barbarians" to be used,abused, exploited and killed (by commission or omission);[][]which goes a long way to explaining why poor Americans have such easy access to guns,crack and meth.

 * The other faulty assumption is that the US government represents the American people. 97% of respondents to a CNN poll last month said that Congress is NOT representing their interests[](near bottom). In effect, the US government has been hijacked by entrenched,career politicians who are supported by big multinational companies; and no matter how bad a job they do, 95% are re-elected. It is now a "fixed game" in America where the voter only has the choice of tweedle dee or tweedle dum. Both presidential candidates last time supported globalization and foreign military intervention while the American people support neither. There are 8 full time lobbiests assigned to each congressman in Washington. And recently, laws have been passed which make it financially and logistically impossible for anyone who is not a member of the Democrat or Republican party to run for office. Add to that the general educational deficiancies of many Americans[]who have jobs as government officials and you have a country where f___ing up is the norm. If you remember, the emergency responders to the 9/11 attack did not have walkie talkies that worked. And just look at all the screwups leading up to and engaging in the War In Iraq. So, I've never been to Germany, but I have been to 8 other European countries; and the only one that treats its people worse than the USA does, is Albania. Right now, the male refugees at the Houston Astrodome,likely in shock, who accidently wander into the women's showers are immediately being arrested[]. And as I'm sure you know; the worse people are treated, the worse they behave. Paulrevere2005 12:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC),

 * I dunno, Frank. It's certainly weird behavior all around.  Something doesn't feel right about the whole thing, and it's bothering me.  Fortyseven 2005-09-02 @ 1154 EDT

I'd just like to interject a few comments. I think that some of these observations are absolutely dead on. The government has been effectively high-jacked by people whose work is strictly dictated by the top two or three percent wealthiest demographic in the United States. Also, if you see some of the reports coming from New Orleans you'll find that the so-called "looting" is often the result of biased (shall we even say racist?) reporters and government personnel who define looting as acting for survival (i.e. "stealing" food that would probably wash away). Nobody's "looting" electronics or behaving in anyway that indicates anything fundamentally wrong about American society. However, there is something fundamentally wrong about the institutional responses from both government and press agencies in this country who took a wait and see attitude with what has become perhaps the greatest natural disaster in recent U.S. history. Also, to our old friend from "Good Old Europe," your self-righteousness seems to be a bit misplaced. Of course you were there when a tsunami wrecked your favorite vacation spots. But you seem content to let people living in the so-called "third world" live in their own filth so long as they are healthy enough to bring you sex, drugs, food, and drink to your bungalow on the beach. The bungling of the government, which has truly been a trademark of the Bush administration and his cronies in Congress, does not indicate something "fundamentally wrong" with the ordinary citizens who are desperately trying to make the best out of a worsening situation while the bureaucracy seemingly sits on their hands. The people of the United States are not perfect, but they certainly have little to learn from the history of Germany. Particularly when delivered with such pedantic self-righteousness. If one filled Frank's comments just a little differently, they might sound just like a Southern Republican jackdaw.
 * See, that is exactly what I mean. By stating things like this: "The people of the United States are not perfect, but they certainly have little to learn from the history of Germany" You really show a kind of ignorance which is unbelieveable. Of course we do not need to argue about history and what the germans did in the past. But what gives you the right to condem everything coming from Germany/Europe right now? So, I really call it ignorant to say: you don't need to learn from us. Did you know that germany had a catastrophic flooding in 2002, that 2 Million people were evacuated within 12 hours, that the the emrgency response teams with freshwater, pumps and first aid equipment where at the sites within hours? Of course, you might say that this is all not compareable, but telling us the the USA does not need to learn from other ist really stupid! From my undertstanding of history, excatly this learning from different cultures and the diverity you created made the USA what it is today. But ignoring that we all have to learn from each other will lead you into dark times. Anyway I will fly out to New Orleans with a huge team tonight, I case anyone has the same opinion than the unknow writer above, please do not argue with us and get out of the way, that we can help the one who are suffering.

 * The problem is though, people are looting (that is, stealing non-essential items) everything from electronics (reports of people with 5 plasma TV's being caught) to guns to drugs for recreational use (which in turn is sickening, as those who really need it probably aren't able to recieve it). And I'm sure the racism remarks you're talking about is that thing on Yahoo News.  You cannot call all reporters racist beause two separate organizations chose to caption their pictures differently.  And when the hell is bleach really essential to living?  --Mrmiscellanious 03:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Bleach could be essential by allowing a way to sterilize things, from clothes to eating utensils, to halt the spread of disease. StuRat 04:16, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Opportunity for some good original reporting
The fellow who posted this information has supplied a phone number. Someone in the United States could give him a call and try to get some more information. They could even get the email address of the person who wrote the original eyewitness report, and contact them for an interview. - Borofkin 05:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, please do so. If you interview an eyewitness, that is definitely first hand reporting.  I don't think copying an email that's been translated really counts as such.  StuRat 15:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Original reporting notes
My name is Jason Robideaux, I am an attorney from Lafayette Louisiana and have dealt with all of the various law enforcement agencies in Louisiana during the past 18 years. Although I have had a positive relationship with law enforcement personnel throughout the State for many years, I regretfully have a story to share that will shake your head in disbelief about the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries.

This article contains an unconfirmed story which I received via email. In risk of being untrue, I have reproduced it here for the sake of open information.

Jason Robideaux Attorney At Law 1005 Lafayette Street Lafayette, La. 70501 (337) 291-9444 office

Eyewitness report received by Jason via email
A group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette this morning (Weds.) and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The "flotillia" of trucks pulling boats stretched over five miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana.

The State Police waved the flotillia of trucks/boats through the barricades in LaPlace and we sped into New Orleans via I-10 until past the airport and near the Clearview exit. At that time we were stopped by agents of the La. Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries. A young DWF agent strolled through the boats and told approximately half of the citizens that their boats were "too large" because the water had "dropped during the night" and that they should turn around and go home.

We were pulling a large (24ft) shallow draft aluminum boat that can safely carry 12 passengers and had ramp access which would allow the elderly and infirm to have easier access to the boat. We politely informed the DWF agent that the local and national media had consistently reported that the water level had "risen" during the night which contradicted his statement to us that the water "was dropping" and no boat over 16ft. in length would be allowed to participate in rescue operations.

We then specifically asked the DWF agent that we (and other citizens in the flotillia) be allowed to go to the hospitals and help evacuate the sick and the doctors and nurses stranded there. We offered to bring these people back to Lafayette, in our own vehicles, in order to ensure that they received proper and prompt medical care.

The DWF agent did not want to hear this and ordered us home. We complied with the DWF agent's orders, turned around and headed back to Lafayette along with half of the flotillia. However, two of my friends were pulling my other boat, a smaller 15ft alumaweld with a 25 hp. The DWF agents let them through to proceed to the rescue operation launch site.

My two friends were allowed to drive to the launch site where the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries were launching their rescue operations (via boat). They reported to me that there were over 200 DWF agents just standing around and doing nothing. My friends were kept there for approximately 3 hours. During that time they observed a large number of DWF agents doing nothing. After three hours had passed they were told that they were not needed and should go home. They complied with the DWF's orders and turned around and went home to Lafayette.

Watching CNN tonight, there was a telephone interview with a Nurse trapped in Charity Hospital in New Orleans. She said that there were over 1,000 people trapped inside of the hospital and that the doctors and nurses had zero medical supplies, no diesel to run the generators and that only three people had been rescued from the hospital since the Hurricane hit!

I can't come up with one logical reason why the DWF sent this large group of 500 boats/1000 men home when we surely could have rescued most, if not all, of the people trapped in Charity Hospital. Further, we had the means to immediately transport these people to hospitals in Southwest Louisiana.

On Tuesday afternoon, August 30, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee asked for all citizens with boats to come to the aid of Jefferson Parish. A short time later Dwight Landreneau, the head of the La. Depart. of Wildlife and Fisheries, got on television and remarked that his agency had things under control and citizen help was not needed. Apparently, Sheriff Lee did not agree with that assessment and had one of his deputies provide the Lafayette flotillia with an escort into Jefferson Parish.

Sheriff Lee and Senator Gautreaux - 1000 of Louisiana's citizens responded to your pleas for help. We were prevented from helping by Dwight Landreneau's agency, the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. When I learned that Charity Hospital has not been evacuated and that no one has been there to attempt a rescue, I became angry.

The "turf-marking" by some minor state agency should never take priority over the lives of citizens!

Need for other side of the story
I think this is good info, but we do need to find and include the opposing view to make this a balanced story. For example, sometimes people try to help who aren't properly prepared, and ultimately just put themselves and others in danger. It is up to the authorities in the area to determine which are properly prepared and equipped to render aid and which are not. From the fact that some were turned around and others were let through, that would be my guess at what was happening there. Those turned around frequently feel abused in such cases; I suppose offering help and having it refused will inevitable cause that feeling. The refusal of George Bush to accept water supply equipment can't be explained this way, but perhaps that isn't an area where we have a shortage. As I understand it, shelters in safe areas and law enforcement personnel are what is needed most critically. As for the comments on rioting, I think many are stealing things they need to survive, not TVs, and I can't fault them for that. StuRat 15:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Please read wikinews NPOV. Telling the other side is not our purpose. Write another story if you want to present the other side,please. Paulrevere2005 17:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Er, what on earth? I strongly suggest you actually read the policy - NPOV stands for neutral point of view. Having a neutral article which presents both sides is our purpose, thank you very much. Ambi 09:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Paulrevere2005, here are the opening lines of the wikinews NPOV policy:

 * The neutral point of view policy states that one should write articles without bias, representing all views fairly.

 * The neutral point of view policy is easily misunderstood. The policy does not mean that you should write an article from just a single unbiased, "objective" point of view. The policy says that an article should fairly represent all, and not make an article state, imply, or insinuate that any one side is correct.

 * Note that it says "an article should fairly represent all", not two separate articles should be written with each representing opposing viewpoints. StuRat 01:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * it says is that all povs containedwithin a story must be represented. After a terrorist attack we are not expected to manufacture some pov that is terrorist friendly. In this article, since there is no representations made by anyone about the info other than the email..then the contents of the email are all that's available. Surely everyone knows we can't be expected to wait on publishing until some contrary opinion about the same event presents itself? Please think more logically and practically and do not rely on exagerated,dogmatic

 * So, according to your logic, if we had a single eyewitness account saying that "Cheney murdered Bush", we should ignore wiki NPOV policy and print that immediately, and not wait for any confirmation or denial ? Perhaps you should apply for a job as a reporter at the National Enquirer, LOL. StuRat 12:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

interpretations of the NPOV rule. 195.113.164.130 10:08, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Not as simple as it seems.

 * One cannot judge the entire situation on the ground from thousands of miles away based on mostly anecdotal reports. The American Government has flatly stated that all assistance will be accepted. No exceptions are to be made. The problem is not supplies and equipment.  The problem is logistics.  Millions of gallons of water are available in addition to enough food to feed the entire remnant of the city's populace.  Ask yourself, however, "How can I get all this materiel to those who need it?" Trucks? The overwhelming majority of goods moved in the United States go by truck; this is nearly impossible in New Orleans right now.  Boats? The streets are filled with unpredictable obstacles just below the surface of the water. Only the smallest boats are useful.  Aircraft? Planes have no place to land.  Look up the statistics on helicopter lifting capacity and you will find that thousands of sorties will be needed to provide relief.

 * When the U.S. Army deploys a division of approximately 10,000 soldiers, it takes them around a month to get their equipment where it needs to be. Weapons and ammunition comprise a tiny percentage of the total bulk of moved goods.  Just using this as a baseline guide, if the most deployed army in the world takes this long to position gear even in their highest state of readiness, how long will it take for a disjointed collection of relief efforts?  Logistics is neglected as an issue because you can't eat it or wear it, but supplies are no good if they don't get to those who need

 * I and my people thank you, Frank, and your people for the compassion you have shown. I also agree that the relief effort has been badly mismanaged, but we cannot sit back and act as "armchair politicians."

 * That's great, anonymous guy, and I'm sure there's plenty of this that looks bad on the surface but there exists a reasonable explanation. However, most of us 'armchair' fruitcakes are comparing the response to this with responses to other disasters that had far more speedy and oraganized repsonses.  Shit, especially given that we even had a couple days notice that something bad was on it's way.  (Also, in the future, please take advantage of the 'show preview' button.  Your post was quite mangled.  I fixed it.)

 * I think the tsunami relief effort took far longer, and is still under way, in many respects. I always try to use the preview button myself, so my response will be "oraganized" (made to resemble Oregon ?), LOL. J/K. StuRat 17:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

No two disasters are the same. Of course the repsonse here will be compared to others, but there is no objective standard. You have to remember, this will probably have been the greatest natural disaster in American history (in scale if not in loss of life.) No one could have predicted the impact of the storm. In fact, no one is sure why it happened as it did. I have weathered a hurricane in New Orleans myself and no one ever considered that the levies could give.
 * Thanks for cleaning up my post.

 * I saw an engineer who worked on the levees on TV say that they were only suitable for cat 3 hurricanes, and this was deemed to be adequate since they only predicted a cat 4 or 5 there every 200 or 300 years. They had been scheduled for an upgrade, but the funding was diverted post-9/11 for anti-terrorism measures.  My own opinion is that global warming is why the storms have been so much worse this season, the Gulf of Mexico is at 86 degrees F, hot enough to spawn many hurricanes, and much hotter than it used to be. StuRat 12:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * In fairness I actually figured the whole dang city would sink. 'Course, I live a couple states over and several hundred miles to the north, so I don't know who much my opinion is worth. --69.244.1.143 05:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have a story from Today's news that has people still living in relief camps. Another shows that collected aid (in at least one corner of the US is already as great for Katrina as in months of Tsunami collections. Was there looting after the Tsunami? Apparently. This whole "we got aid faster to them asians and they was better people" meme is not in accordance with reality. Plus, these are very different situations. The levies broke after the storm and of course the news is focusing on rioting and looting. But I'm not seeing a lot of footage of rioting, just looting. Well, bfd. The fact that they can even think about getting a television indicates that they aren't all that hungry or desperate!

 * Still ? I would expect them to be living in relief camps for years, until their homes can be rebuilt.  As for people donating more to help their neighbors than someone on the other side of the world, does that really surprise you ?  When there is a collection at the office to buy a birthday present for a coworker, do you say "Sorry, but I already spent all my money for birthday presents for people I don't know in Mongolia" ? LOL StuRat 12:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Be Bold
Please remember that is the hallmark of wikinews.If we are too timid to support and publish a letter received and sent to us by an Attorney; then that's not being bold at all. Paulrevere2005 17:50, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, but we should never print anything sent to us by a garbage man, since, according to your logic, we trust people solely based on the prestige of their jobs. StuRat 12:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

WIKINEWS, WHERE ARE YOU?
Where the hell are you? Every other media org is covering how incredibly late the Federal govt.'s response was to this disaster. But not a peep out of WIKINEWS. By now, EVEN Bush has admitted the response was inadequate. WIKINEWS seems to be very late in the game on things like this. I'm very dismayed in it's approach here with a headline that looked like it came striaght out of the onion or the classic '1984' novel.

I have to wonder if there is a lot of conservatives here who rabidly delete/edit factual news and headlines and hide behind a bullsh|t NPOV to promote their agenda here?

 * I need to add my $0.02 here on this topic. First of all, the volunteer editors/reporters on Wikinews are just that, volunteers.  You can't expect us to be totally up to par with other news organizations for reporting everything.  Besides, a huge amount of information has been written about Katrina and the Hurrican response, including the federal response to the disaster.  Quite a bit of it rather negative.  As far as NPOV here....  you need to keep it neutral, which means you don't advocate a certain viewpoint, which is precisely what you are proposing.  There is definitely an agenda right now among some reporters and media outlets to use this as an opportunity to try and burn Bush once and for all.  That is not the role of Wikinews.

 * As far as the dance broken up in Utah, that was big news locally in Utah, and it involved a great many law enforcement agencies. I guess you didn't read the article in detail, did you.  Or read the sources.

 * Also, from my very POV opinion as to why the Feds didn't react any sooner: This is a huge disaster that took out most of the infrastructure, and required a level of response that normally would have been reserved for wartime emergencies like an actual invasion of the USA by a foriegn enemy.  Yes, with 20/20 hindsight the active duty military should have been sent into New Orleans immediately after the hurricane, and there are things that also should have been done by both the governor of Louisiana as well as the Mayor of New Orleans (like "giving" all of the busses to the bus drivers of New Orleans and asking them to take their neighbors out of town with the busses).  This is not like the rescue operation of trying to go after a stupid motor boat that is being operated by somebody who doesn't know his/her own limits, or some random hiker that gets lost in the mountains for a few days.  A major U.S. city has been almost completely destroyed, with no communication, transportation, or even civil services available.  Generally when a disaster of this scale hits a smaller community, some other nearby city can help absorb the victims and work crews can help coordinate the cleanup right away.  In this case it took one of the largest countries in the world (by population) to completely absorb the population of New Orleans, which is one reason for the diaspora of the New Orleans residents throughout America.  No single city could possibly absorb that many people (although Baton Rouge is certainly trying real hard).  It also illustrates what happens when you rely on public transportation and that form of transit has been taken away from you: the only alternative is to swim or walk... which many New Orleans residents did exactly that.  --Robert Horning 10:21, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


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Controversy over New Orleans photos captions

September 2, 2005

Tuesday, Yahoo! News posted photographs from the Hurricane Katrina disaster area gathered from various sources.

An Associated Press photograph of two African-American women was captioned, "Looters carry bags of groceries through floodwaters after taking the merchandise away from a wind damaged convenience store in New Orleans on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005."

A similar Agence France-Presse (AFP) photograph of two caucasians was labeled, "Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store in New Orleans..."

The vast majority of people who did not evacuate from the famous city were poor and black; many were unable to obtain transportation.

Several news sites have noted that New Orleans rescue and evacuation efforts have been severely complicated by the presence of these looters. The evacuation of the Superdome was halted after shots were reported, fired at a National Guard rescue helicopter.

Yahoo! News later released a statement on the images, saying, "...we present the photos and their captions as written, edited and distributed by the news services with no additional editing..." Yahoo! agreed to AFP's request to remove AFP-supplied photographs after the controversy began, fueled by articles on the topic by Salon, Flickr, and other news sites.

The choice of wording may be chalked up to different policies at the two agencies (AP and AFP); the AP has been labeling several of their photos with the term "looting" if their photographers witness the act, while Getty spokeswoman Bridget Russel said regarding the AFP/Getty photo, "This is obviously a big tragedy down there, so we're being careful with how we credit these photos."

Chris Graythen, who took the AFP picture and wrote the caption, said "I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water - we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow."


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Talk:Microsoft Office dropped by Massachusetts, USA

Good job. I agree that the "dumped" in the original title was a bit POV, even though the sources used it, but restored the title using the more neutral term "dropped". I also added the country, for the international audience. StuRat 05:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't the title be: "Microsoft office dropped by Massachusetts, US"?--216.229.237.115 13:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * yes i agree with that, they don't say anything about dropping anything else from microsoft just the office suite. Boneyard 13:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

The sources themselves were unclear about this, but I was wondering. Embracing the OpenDocument concept is one thing, but does anyone know if that, by definition, means they will be using the OpenOffice suite? To me, the sources all look they've copied one another and perhaps the first one wasn't too clear on the difference between a product and a document format. Slashdot has a big thread of discussion on this, but I can't get to their site right now (Slashdot may have been Slashdotted).

Adding US with the comma to the headline makes it sound like a list -- suggesting that Office has been dropped by Massachusetts and by the US. Suggest "State of Massachusetts", which is American enough to disambiguate the location, right? --cmpalmer 19:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Why is "state of Massachusetts" any more american than "Massachusetts"? Most poeple know where Massachusetts is. I really think we have to stop pandering to those with a crimanly poor knowledge of geography. If you don't know where it is then you can click on the article (which will presumably tell you where it is). Futhermore, if you don't know where it is, there is a reasonably high likelyhood that you won't be interested in it due to it location. I agree with you that it looks like a list. ~The bellman | Smile 16:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Fats Domino missing in the wake of Hurricane Katrina

GoogleNews is carrying feeds that Domino has been found: http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=en&ned=au&q=domino

He was rescued by boat, apparently.

I'd rework the wikipage, but I'm at work and don't have time. Sorry.


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Talk:Controversy over New Orleans photos captions

Oops. I forgot to login. But, ah, for the purpose of whatever, I am the original poster. --Aciel 06:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused...
Who is providing the caption? Is it from the two distinct news orgs AFP and AP? If it was the same then I would consider this a good find and very observant. Words really do matter. But if it is from two distinct sources then what is the story?
 * I agree. It looks to me like these are two distinct news organisations, in which case the main point loses all its force. It could be simply a matter of differing editorial policy. --Malcohol 09:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's more a report on Yahoo! News' presentation of the photos. See changes to the article. --Aciel 13:44, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yahoo! is performing some news compilation right from the sources. I'm not suggesting the article is POV, simply that there is no story here. Oh well the headline is changed so the controversy is the story, I suppose. But if that is the case, who are the people involved in the controversy itself and why do readers need to care what probably is just some blogger who thinks they got a big fish?

Hereyougo
http://news.yahoo.com/page/photostatement

And yeah, the AP would've probably captioned both photos looting, while AFP would've captioned both white and black photos "food finding". --Berkut 09:54, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Added the link in. Thanks! --Aciel 13:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

analysis

 * "Many blogs have jumped on this as "proof" of racism. But look at the picture, the whites have just a few items, clearly groceries. The black kid on the other hand has an entire garbage bag filled with who knows what - certainly more then he can eat alone. It sure looks like he was looting. If that bag was filled with food (as you might imagine from the pepsi in his hand) - then why isn't the pepsi in the bag? Clearly the stuff in the bag, and the pepsi were taken at different time. It looks like looting to me, and the entire controversy is a joke."

- we're a news site. This analysis can't go in like this: I suggest quoting from blogs if you want to give an idea of what people are saying or thinking about these pictures. it is an interesting story, more sources would be good. ClareWhite 10:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Is this still NPOV? Or can we remove that tag now? --Aciel 13:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It could use a better title, one that emphasizes the fact that we are covering the controversy over the captions, not the fact that AFP and AP caption different photos with different captions. Other then the title it looks to be NPOV, great work. --Cspurrier 13:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. Feel free to change it; unfortunately, I've got to get to class. Yuck. TGIF! Though I guess the people down in La don't feel that way... --Aciel 14:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there should be any controversy. Two different agencies, two different photographers (for all we know), two different caption writers, etc.  Why is there a controversy?  And to be fair, that blog post above says it all.  --Mrmiscellanious 15:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Double standard or not, it's ridiculous to use the word "looting" to describe people scavenging after being caught in a disaster. Cfortunato (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Much better title
I was just about to write about the biased title when it was changed. Good job. - 162.138.176.51 15:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Race Descriptors
Could we please not use "African-American" and "caucasian" in the same article? One is an ethnic descriptor and one is an anthropologic. Proper alternate lists could be:
 * - African-American and European-American
 * - Black and White
 * - Negroid and Caucasian (note that Negroid is generally never used (due to the prejudice associated with words such as "negro", "nigger", etc, thus boggling me why Caucasian is))

This is a huge problem with demographic descriptors as a whole and its one of my personal crusades/ peeves. Thanks. JD79 23:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Good to know. I'd never seen it put that way before, but I for one will try to follow that. --Aciel 08:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * This is probably the most insigificant and petty worry anyone could have about anything. --69.234.205.118 02:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

In White America we will always be niggas
This really mad me mad, neither of them paid for it, so both sets of pictures should have been described in the same manner. This is nothing new in America, black people have come use to white folks treating us like second class citizens.

Whiteness Theory
Check out this Theory of Race and look at Media Theory.

Social Problems are typically linked with minorities in the media. When it is the 'white' people associated with a problem, it is discussed/framed very very differently...


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Coroner finds that Australian Prime Minister Holt drowned in 1967

September 2, 2005 Victorian State Coroner Graeme Johnstone has ruled that former Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt drowned in the surf at Cheviot Beach on December 17, 1967. Mr Holt was swimming at the beach, known for its dangerous currents, when he disappeared. Numerous theories have circulated since to explain the disappearance, including one that believed he was abducted by a Chinese submarine.

No formal inquiry was held at the time, because the law at the time stated that coroners could not investigate unless there was a body. This law was changed in 1985. Mr. Johnstone said that the lack of inquiry meant that much information was not released to the public, which may have contributed to the development of the conspiracy theories.

"Unfortunately, there was no open inquiry at the time so this detailed material did not become general public knowledge," he said, adding, "A simple reading of the original investigative material provides the real and credible explanation."

Mr. Holt's son said that the family believed all along that Holt had drowned.

"Myself and the other family members have always thought that it was simply a matter of him going for a swim when he shouldn't," he said.


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Talk:Fats Domino rescued in New Orleans

What a relief!!!!!!!! Good god, why is this on a news site? It's a press release for a singer with a dead career.

 * He's 77, hes having a rest.

 * Fats Domino was rather significant.

Is R&B the correct term to describe Fats surly Rythm & Blues would be more accurate

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Explosions hit waterfront in New Orleans, Louisiana

September 2, 2005

Fires are raging in New Orleans following a series of explosions along the waterfront. The cause of the blasts is not known. A chemical reaction with the rising waters is one possibility. One official has stated that the explosions took place at a chemical storage facility near the riverfront a few miles south of the French Quarter.

This news comes as police suspended search-and-rescue operations in order to attempt to halt the rising levels of looting in the city, and after Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco ordered National Guard troops to "shoot and kill" rioters and looters.

Although aid has been promised by the US federal authorities, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin criticised them for what he feels is a slow response.

"They don't have a clue what's going on down there," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-AM Thursday night.

"They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn — excuse my French, everybody in America, but I am pissed."

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 * Louisiana officials accused of blocking rescue volunteers


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Ivorian rebels say South African mediators ‘discredited’

September 2, 2005

On Thursday, the Ivorian rebel group Forces Nouvelles responded to the South African mediator’s Wednesday testimony to the UN Security Council by saying that South Africa had become “discredited” by taking the side of Ivorian president Laurent Gbagbo’s government in.

“We categorically do not want the South African mediation continuing here in Cote d'Ivoire” said the rebel group in a statement. The Forces Nouvelles spokesman further demanded that "the African Union, and especially AU president Olusegun Obasanjo, take his responsibility and find a new way," calling on regional leader Nigeria to intervene in the crisis.

The statements are the latest in a series of setbacks to Cote d’Ivoire’s beleaguered peace process, which also include the failure of the rebels to meet the July 31st disarmament deadline, and the rejection of October 30 as a feasible date for the national elections.

Special Representative of the Secretary-General to Cote d'Ivoire, Pierre Schori, expressed his support for the continued South African mediation and stated that conducting free and fair elections in Cote d’Ivoire was more important than sticking with the set dates.


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The time is 1100 hours (UTC) on Friday 2nd September 2005, and this is Audio Wikinews: News Briefs.

Widespread looting blamed for disrupted rescue efforts in New Orleans, Louisiana The Mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, has ordered most of the local police force to stop rescue efforts and shift their efforts to prevent looting. At the same time, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has reportedly been blocking aid shipments into the city on the grounds that it is too dangerous.

Food, nappies (or diapers), and other supplies are the target of most looters. Some are reportedly taking non-essential and luxury items, such as TVs and computers. Reportedly, gun and pawn shops are also a popular target for looting.

Al-Qaida claims responsibility for London 7/7 bombings Al Jazeera aired two video tapes by Al Qaeda on Thursday evening. In one of them, the terror group's second in command Ayman al-Zawahiri has claimed responsibility for the July 7 London bombings and threatened further attacks. The alleged leader of the London bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan, appeared on a separate recording and outlined his reasons for the bombings.

Speaking in English with a Yorkshire accent, Khan stated that the Blair government is to blame for the attacks. He said: "Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight."

Guantanamo prisoners stage hunger strike A number of prisoners at the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay have staged a hunger strike in protest of their detainment. The prisoners, many of whom have been held since the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001, are angered at the United States' refusal to charge them with any crimes, and denying the prisoners legal access.

A previous hunger strike was halted in July when Pentagon officials reached a compromise with the prisoners. The compromise included provisions to bring the prison in line with the terms of the Geneva Convention. The prisoners have since accused the government of not following through on this deal.

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I really cannot understand this anymore. Hi, I am from Germany. This morning I heard in WDR ( a German Radio Station) that our Technical Aid Service is standing by since Wednesday with equipment like, machines to make drinking water, huge pumps, etc.) They could have been already there and serve about 50.000 people. But your president told the german aid organizations, that you could manage alone. To be honest, it doesn't look like. Are the americans too proud to take help from others? Do they rather let thousands of people die?

Second remark is about the looting. Even in the Tsunami where hundert thousands died, in 3rd world countries, there was help from the people to each other. I personally volunteered there and I have seen how even criminals from distroyed prisons were helping the people in danger. Instead of moving together and show humanity, the americans kill each other for a new television or other stolen goods.

I really believe now that there is something fundamently wrong in your country. I really hope that american citizens recognize that.

Regards from "good old europe"

frank / Cologne-Germany

 * Frank, thank you for your astute observations. I must,in defense of the American people, take a stab at "why" many of our citizens act as they do. Firstly, because my comments might otherwise seem outrageous, for credibility purposes, I should draw you attention to the fact that my edit at the very top of the page here [] BEFORE THE HURRICANE EVEN HIT LAND was the only prediction anywhere on the internet that the U.S. government's response would be so cavalier and ineffectual. Most non-Americans,(who our government refers to as "foreigners" or "aliens") make 2 faulty assumptions; One is that the USA is under the control of government officials who care about the bottom third (poor) people of America. If you think about this for a moment you will realize that is not the case. That is why 50 million WORKING Americans have no health insurance at all; the people on welfare are slightly better off because at least they receive crappy health care. I have come to the awkward conclusion that our most powerful politicians actually think its a good thing when the poorer people in America die unnecessarily; in fact, the 2 most powerful men in America actually belong to a sadistic cult which embraces predatory classism and believes that the poorer people are "barbarians" to be used,abused, exploited and killed (by commission or omission);[][]which goes a long way to explaining why poor Americans have such easy access to guns,crack and meth.

 * The other faulty assumption is that the US government represents the American people. 97% of respondents to a CNN poll last month said that Congress is NOT representing their interests[](near bottom). In effect, the US government has been hijacked by entrenched,career politicians who are supported by big multinational companies; and no matter how bad a job they do, 95% are re-elected. It is now a "fixed game" in America where the voter only has the choice of tweedle dee or tweedle dum. Both presidential candidates last time supported globalization and foreign military intervention while the American people support neither. There are 8 full time lobbiests assigned to each congressman in Washington. And recently, laws have been passed which make it financially and logistically impossible for anyone who is not a member of the Democrat or Republican party to run for office. Add to that the general educational deficiancies of many Americans[]who have jobs as government officials and you have a country where f___ing up is the norm. If you remember, the emergency responders to the 9/11 attack did not have walkie talkies that worked. And just look at all the screwups leading up to and engaging in the War In Iraq. So, I've never been to Germany, but I have been to 8 other European countries; and the only one that treats its people worse than the USA does, is Albania. Right now, the male refugees at the Houston Astrodome,likely in shock, who accidently wander into the women's showers are immediately being arrested[]. And as I'm sure you know; the worse people are treated, the worse they behave. Paulrevere2005 12:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC),

 * It would have helped if your aid organization had bypassed the incompetent politically motivated top of the administration, and offered the aid directly to Louisiana (or even New Orleans) officials. Indeed, they should offer said aid now, embarassing Bush when New Orleans accepts.  Nyarlathotep 14:29, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your remarks. I will try to speak to the head of our org in order to see whether we can contact the officials in Louisana directly. It simply feels to terrible seeing this pictures on TV and not be able to help. As I said the THW (technical aid organization) is standing by. I was really shocked to read through this thread. But I do not think looting it is a matter of richness or poorness. When I was in Sri Lanka after christmas, the people there were much poorer than the poorest in the US. But instead of looting everybody seems to give a hand and help and the normal crime rate is there very high as well. In my eye it has something to do with values, the people have. If US citizen are constantly beeing told that their nation is the greatest and richeest and so on, what must the poor people in your country feel? I wish there is something I could do... Good luck! Frank!
 * It's not the "being poor" that facilitates looting; it's the way they have been treated all their lives (which is just like the way they've been treated after this hurricane) that facilitates looting. Paulrevere2005 13:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Selective deletion of comments
I know that these talk pages are meant to be about the article's development. Routinely, however, they filled with hateful anti-americanism and absurd conspiracies. Routinely, any comments that counter this view are deleted. It's no shock really, and is the typical approach of the psuedo-left internet crowd.
 * Comment from deleter: It was your comments which were disrespectful and hateful. Verbally punching people in the face who want to help is NOT a constructive thing to do. This wasn't about politics but simply about someone who has the means and was willing to help and who was sad and frustrated about the problems in doing so. You were the one who brought politics into play as well as making a bunch of claims while providing no proof or sources at all. If you want to play promoting politic agendas while a disaster is unfolding, go somewhere else with your destructive behaviour.
 * Actually, I challenged his factual accuracy.

WIKINEWS, WHERE ARE YOU?
Where the hell are you? Every other media org is covering how incredibly late the Federal govt.'s response was to this disaster. But not a peep out of WIKINEWS. By now, EVEN Bush has admitted the response was inadequate. WIKINEWS seems to be very late in the game on things like this. I'm very dismayed in it's approach here with a headline that looked like it came striaght out of the onion or the classic '1984' novel.

I have to wonder if there is a lot of conservatives here who rabidly delete/edit factual news and headlines and hide behind a bullsh|t NPOV to promote their agenda here? - Cow 68.3.52.158

I think that anyone who has left or right sympathies that erupt into namecalling have no place at wikinews if it is to strive for neutrality. --Rakista 20:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


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Bomb in Dagestan explodes Russian military truck

September 2, 2005

An explosion today in Makhachkala, Russia in the Russian region of Dagestan killed one and wounded five others, police say. The bomb detonated in a pile of garbage, where servicemen and a truck had been sent to search for explosives on a street near a military base. When the engineers got out of the truck to search, the bomb went off.

The Dagestani Ministry, reported by the Russian news agency ITAR-Tass, originally stated that the blast killed two servicemen and wounded three others. They later revised this to six servicemen wounded (as well as one civilian), but no fatalities. A police officer told ITAR-Tass news that a brigade had been on patrol when the explosion occurred.

According to RIA-Novosti and Interfax news, medics reported one death and six injuries. RIA-Novosti also reports that the bomb exploded near a trolley bus.

Police and ambulances were immediately brought to the area of the explosion, which was quickly sealed off by police.

The alleged planters of the bomb were followed by police, but escaped after firing at the officers.

This explosion is not surprising, as racial tensions in the Muslim majority region of Dagestan often lead to attacks on officials and police.


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Talk:Ivorian rebels say South African mediators ‘discredited’

Good, but a pic would make it better. StuRat 14:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


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US Department of Housing and Urban Development to provide housing for Katrina refugees

September 2, 2005

The United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) will make many of their marketable housing properties in the southeastern United States and elsewhere available to hurricane refugees. HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson said that an "overwhelming" response from government and private officials would make housing available as soon as the middle of next week. HUD housing centers as far away as Philadelphia and Detroit would be making properties available. HUD is considering offering these properties to displaced persons regardless of their income and allowing the refugees to use the properties for up to one year.


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Feel free to jump in and flesh this out (or go ahead an publish it if you like). When I have a chance, I can provide much more background information on the process, but right now I'm working on help HUD identify these properties, so I was very careful to only provide information culled from published sources. In other words, this could be an "original", but I'm not comfortable talking about the work I'm doing without permissions. I should have posted this anonymously, I suppose...

I posted the text of the HUD press release detailing the relief programs, if someone wants to summarize this into the story, please feel free to do so... --cmpalmer 18:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


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Looks good, but I thought it could use a map, so I added one. I also will change the title to mention the bomb and remove some caps.StuRat 14:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


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Briton to fly hang glider across the UK

September 2, 2005

A man from North London is currently training for an attempt at flying a hang glider across the UK from land's End to John O'Groats.

Shola Ogunlokun a 41 year old married father of 3 who had never flown a hang glider before taking up this challenge said  yesterday "I aim to fulfill a dream of flying, use the challenge as an  opportunity to meet the people of Britain and encourage people of similar ethnic  backgrounds as me to pursue their dreams".

Shola is on stage 2 of a 3 stage training programme, and has flown a glider off a 2000ft mountain on completion of stage 1 of his training. He is currently looking for sponsors and in talks with a TV production about making a documentary of his attempt.

The flight attempt is currently planned for around Autumn next year, should take between 5-7 days, and Shola would like to spend the night of each flight at the home of a local in the town he lands. If successful, Shola will be the first person to have flown a hang glider across the UK over this distance.

Shola has an online diary charting his progress at http://mbchallenge.blogspot.com For further details, or to contact Shola, please visit his website: http://www.meet-britain.org.uk

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Gas prices surge in Northeast US

September 2, 2005

Gas prices have shot up to over $3.50 per gallon, late Thursday morning in the Northeast US. People are rushing to fill their tanks as some stations are reporting shortages of gasoline, and many oil wells were forced to shut down after Hurricane Katrina.

Meanwhile, gas prices dropped elsewhere and rose elsewhere. Saturday morning California had the highest reported price at GasPriceWatch.com. Another price service reported $3.05 as the U.S. average.

The federal government's weekly petroleum price summary reported U.S. average retail price for regular gasoline decreased by 0.2 cent to 261.0 cents per gallon. But supply shocks are likely as the distribution systems respond to bottlenecks. On Tuesday, August 30, CNN reported the price of U.S. crude oil rose to a record high $70.85 a barrel. However, prices fell $3.28 to $67.57 a barrel on Friday. In contrast, the crude oil in Europe, which is usually more expensive than US oil, was actually cheaper than in America; as London Brent Crude oil was down $1.15 to $66.57 a barrel. But as CNN reports, "European allies sprang to the rescue."

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Talk:Coroner finds that Australian Prime Minister Holt drowned in 1967

Looks good, but I do think a caption should match it's pic, so I changed it. StuRat 16:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't understand all these copyright issues, but wouldn't an image like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Haroldholt.jpg be more appropriate?

 * Yes, that's an excellent pic. To use it here you should upload it to WikiCommons, do you know how to do that ? StuRat 22:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:Rapper 'Little Kim' sentenced to 1 year in prison

hi i think she should have had a slap on the wrist they do not put murderers away that long she is innocent to me and i love her and her music you go girl love dawn and vickie staten island new york

I THINK THAT'S CRAP SHE'S BEING USED AS AN EXSAMPLE,WHO WOULD SAY THEY WERE THERE. YOU KNOW IF YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH YOU COULD BE SHOT TO. IT'S ONLY A COP TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER QUOTA.

should not go to prise
she sould be in prison for just 3 mouths whats wrong with all of you

The Lockdown of Little Kim!
She should not go to prison she is innocent.You should give her a chance and listen to her and what she has got to say. She is a bright woman and deserves to be respected.This is a woman who isn't afraid to speak her mind, if you don't like it tough...

Your Fan, Patricia Beckwith


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User talk:Jimray~enwikinews

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Jimray. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Jimray~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Intel responds to AMD antitrust suit

September 2, 2005 has filed its response to  lawsuit of June 27, 2005, saying AMD's claims are "factually incorrect and contradictory". The 63-page response, filed in federal district court in Delaware, is 15 pages longer than the original lawsuit. The strongly worded reply from Intel prompted many industry watchers to comment that the legal battle could take years to settle. According to Intel, "the evidence will show that every failure and setback for which A.M.D. today seeks to blame Intel is actually a direct result of A.M.D.'s own actions or inactions."

AMD has already issued its own rebutta. On September 29, a federal multi-district court in North Carolina will decide whether or not to combine many class-action suits related to the same charges.

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Oil prices fall as reserves are released

September 2, 2005

The announced that its member states will release 60 million  barrels from their strategic reserves next month. "All 26 member countries will take collective action", said the agency in its statement. The announcement was in response to the crude price surge after disruption of oil supply in the Gulf of Mexico caused by.

Earlier today, chief of the European Union's foreign policy, said the EU can provide the US with reserves of the member states. Also OPEC is considering taking action. The United States and Japan already plan to release oil from their reserve stocks.

Oil prices fell slightly today, following the IEA statement, as expected. US light crude fell US$1.57 to US$67.90 a barrel.


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King of Swaziland seeks thirteenth bride, continues to cause ire

September 2, 2005 HM King Mswati III of Swaziland has held a massive ceremony to find his 13th wife. More than 50,000 showed up to the unofficial call for brides. All potential brides who attended the two-day Reed Dance, held annually since 1999, were bare-breasted, wearing short, beaded skirts and were supposedly virgins.

As his country's 37-year-old Ngwenyama (king), Mswati is the last absolute monarch in sub-Saharan Africa.

Mario Masuku, leader of the banned opposition party, said that "The Reed Dance has been abused for one man's personal satisfaction. The king has a passion for young women and opulence." Masuku's comments were based on the fact that the Reed Dance traditionally celebrated virginity and womanliness.

"The king takes a wife whenever he wants, and that's the way it is. This is our culture, and we will never change," says Tsandzile Ndluva, 21, one of the dancers at the event.

Ludzidzini Royal Village also hosted the Great She-Elephant, their name for the country's queen mother Ntombi Thwala. She was greeted by 50,000 people, which is 5% of the nation's population. Their traditional ceremony for the She-Elephant includes dancing and building a wind-break for her out of reeds.

The King's current wives include Inkhosikati LaMatsebula, Inkhosikati LaMotsa, Inkhosikati LaMbikiza, Inkhosikati LaNgangaza, Inkhosikati LaHwala, Inkhosikati LaMagwaza, Inkhosikati LaMasango, Inkhosikati LaGija, Inkhosikati LaMagongo, and Inkhosikati LaMahlangu. LaMbikiza has a Master's Degree in Law.

He has 27 children from his first 13 wives and wives-to-be, and over 200 brothers and sisters, a result of his late father King Sobhuza II's 70 wives. Mswati must look after all of these relatives with funds from the royal-owned company, Tibiyo TakaNgwane.

At the Reed Dance, Mswati repealed the law prohibiting sexual activity for girls younger than 18. This law was first enacted in 2001, to help in the fight against AIDS, which was, and still is, at crisis levels. The ban was set to end in 2006. The law was actually a revival of the ancient "umchwasho" rite, a Swazi tradition. In the first weeks this law was enacted, Mswati broke it himself, marrying Inkhosikati LaMagongo. This forced him to pay a fine of one cow.

Forty-percent of Swazis are HIV positive, including 42% of pregnant women, a matter that the King was taken to heart, to some extent. He has travelled internationally to try and raise money, increase awareness, and seek solutions to the epidemic. World-renowned musicians like Michael Jackson have signed on to record an album, to raise funds for orphans in the country. However, the young king does not seem to have realised the importance of leadership by personal example, and the Swaziland Ministry of Health website shows little evidence of his government's commitment to address the issue.

The King says he is suffering from stress, finding it difficult to cope with the pressure of work. He told BBC News "I find very little time with my family most of the time. I normally work until 11pm... and this makes me feel stressed because I'm being overworked, but I have to do everything possible to satisfy my people."


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User talk:84.13.69.202

sure, it would look better if you worked it in as a link within the story, I would have done so but my machine doesn't let me format so subtly! ClareWhite

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Talk:Oil prices fall as reserves are released

I find it impossible to believe that all 9 sources were used in this short story. Please remove those that weren't used, or move them under the "See also" section, if they are not direct sources. StuRat 20:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I find it possible. What's more, I think that a good story (mine wasn't good, but generally speaking) should cover most issues - and most sources - in a possibly short article. But I hope that my recent removal suits you.

Have a good day! --Agostino 20:50, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * If they weren't used they should have either been removed or else moved to the "See also" section, but if they were, by all means keep them in, just let me know what source was used for each part of the article and I will withdraw my objection. StuRat 21:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


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Talk:King of Swaziland seeks thirteenth bride, continues to cause ire

Nice level of detail, but needed quite a few wording fixes. StuRat 21:00, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not so sure, seems to ramble a bit. Nyarlathotep 09:42, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I tried to fit in as much as I could, as we have so little on the country. --  user:zanimum

 * I do agree that it could have been organized a bit better, perhaps putting the events in one part and discussing general policy issues elsewhere. Simple chronological order would also work. StuRat 19:26, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Stress
With thirteen wives, who wouldn't be stressed?

How do we reconcile taking the AIDS epidemic to heart on the one hand, and abolishing one of the few measures in place to combat it, on the other? -- Crockett 02:18, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I never was trying to reconcile or speak against anything, just present both sides of the coin, his good and bad actions against AIDS. --  user:zanimum

 * I think you struck the right balance. StuRat 19:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I felt it was important to point out the apparent contrast between words and deeds here. I realise that most Swazis do not have the internet, and so the Health Ministry's website has little direct bearing on them, but all the initiatives mentioned there are foreign, and include this gem about a program that former president Clinton has lent his name to: "This initiative ... aims to provide HIV/AIDS to 10,000 in developing countries." Apart from the careless typo, the point is that a LOT more than 10,000 Swazis need help, and that help needs to start from within. Thanks zanimum for writing this article, it's a very important issue. --Crockett 20:32, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


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Did human remains cause mad cow disease?

September 2, 2005

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy, better known as BSE or "mad cow" disease, may have been caused by human remains ingested by British cattle, two scientists said today.

Alan Colchester and his daughter Nancy Colchester, from the University of Kent and University of Edinburgh, respectively, suggested that the remains of humans cast into the Ganges in an Indian funeral rite contaminated Indian animal feed that was imported to the U.K. If some of the humans died of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, bone meal infected with CJD would have entered the British food chain, causing the similar BSE in cattle.

Admitting the evidence was not solid, the two scientists still argued that this new theory merited further review. The current theory of the origin of BSE involves the transmission of scrapie, a similar disease that affects sheep, to cattle. Prions, infectious proteins that would be the only disease-causing agents without nucleic acid, are thought to be the cause of all of these diseases.


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Colleges offering admission to displaced New Orleans students

 * See the discussion page for instructions on adding schools to this list and for an alphabetically arranged listing of schools.

September 15, 2005 Enrollment dates for many schools have passed, and will be indicated next to the school's entry under the by-state list. Update will take place in the next few days.

September 6, 2005

Due to the damage by Hurricane Katrina and subsequent flooding, a number of colleges and universities in the New Orleans metropolitan area will not be able to hold classes for the fall 2005 semester. It is estimated that 75,000 to 100,000 students have been displaced. . In response, institutions across the United States and Canada are offering late registration for displaced students so that their academic progress is not unduly delayed. Some are offering free or reduced admission to displaced students. At some universities, especially state universities, this offer is limited to residents of the area.

Overview
ATTENTION: For those seeking information about admissions for children into Elementary, Junior High and High Schools in California, please refer to the link listed to the right.

The list has been split into five separate articles: three for U.S. States, a fourth for international, a fifth for schools in all locations offering space for faculty, graduate and professional students.

Also, each state is linked below:

Contributing
To those college officials posting special offers for displaced college student, please consider multiple posting on the following e-lists as there is not yet one master or all inclusive site. Helping students displaced by Katrina, get new clothing and school supplies.
 * http://nacac.com/news_hurricane_katrina.html
 * http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/jbrentzel?forum=29347&sort=lastpost&order=desc
 * http://www.scup.org/knowledge/katrina/#offers
 * http://www.naicu.edu/KatrinaEfforts.shtml
 * http://chronicle.com/jobs/forums/list.php?f=19
 * http://www.naicu.edu/HEA/KatrinaEfforts.shtml
 * http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Colleges_offering_admission_to_displaced_New_Orleans_students
 * http://www.campusrelief.org/
 * http://www.livejournal.com/community/academics_anon/853282.html A massive, three part site listing hundreds of colleges and universities. This comes as close to an all-inclusive site as has so far appeared for universities accepting displaced college students.
 * http://www.katrinacampusrelief.org

Faculty, Graduate, and Professional Students
The list of schools offering accommodation to faculty, graduate, and professional students has moved. It is now Colleges offering admission to displaced New Orleans graduate students.

 * If your school is dealing with both undergraduates and graduates, please add it to both lists.

Maintained by higher-education organizations

 * campusrelief.org - Information clearinghouse from The American Council on Education and the National Association of College and University Business Officers (NACUBO)
 * Louisiana Board of Regents Information for Displaced Students, Faculty and Staff
 * Universities offer assistance to university students affected by Katrina - Maintained by Louisiana State University Hurricane Recovery & Relief Information Center
 * KatrinaCollegeStudents.org - Maintained by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board
 * Katrina relief efforts - Maintained by The National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities]
 * Temporary Higher Education Community for Hurricane Katrina Relief - Maintained by The Society for College and University Planning
 * Press releases collected at collaborativepr.com: Page 1 Page 2
 * Hurricane Katrina relief information - Maintained by Campus Compact
 * Katrina Relief College Database - Maintained by elearners.com
 * Helping Students Displaced by Katrina - Maintained by katrinacampusrelief.org

Maintained by individuals or student groups

 * Alphabetical list of colleges and universities accepting displaced students, A-I / J-O / P-Z
 * Colleges offering to help students displaced by Katrina
 * College Students at KatrinaHelp.info

Housing

 * KatrinaHousing.net maintained by University of Michigan
 * HurricaneHousing.org maintained by MoveOn.org