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User talk:Chiacomo/Archive 2

Thanks for discussing the issue
Chiacomo thanks for discussing the rcameonw issue further. Although the idea that rcameonw was the instigator of the de-adminship vote is not something I'm completely sold on, and thus the block appears a little like retribution. If the sockpuppets statement is true, and rcameonw is a sockpuppet (his response to the sockpuppets statement is somewhat surprising), then I think by all means Amgine was correct. I also realize that Amgine, or any admin, hardly needs an endorsement of his/her actions from me or anyone else. Had I been in his position, I might very well have taken the same course of action and I certainly wouldn't look to anyone for their approval. That being said, I do think that if we consider our little community here to be in any way enlightened there are times you should come out and explain your decisions, and I thank you for attempting to fill that role.

As to voting, I agree with you in regards to it not being anything more than workable solution. Voting is merely the tyranny of the majority, whereas consensus is when the majority and the minority can both find amicable ground.--Herda05 03:34, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out WN:A. It's definetly good to know about. I'll put a link to it on my talk page.--Herda05 04:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Willl watch out for that
Thanks for the tip, I'll watch out for that -MusicalAngel

Need a delete
Speedy delete on Slashdot_blowhard_berates_wikpedia by user 84.12.197.94

Thanks for discussing the issue II
Regarding the use of dateline template - although I don't feel fully-satisifed with the Wikinews convention, I can understand that use of the dateline template (over the date template) should be discouraged at least by newer users of Wikinews in favour of just writing the opening sentence (or even the headline) to be more informative. What frustrated me about the incident was that someone else was removing part of the story claiming POV/conflict of sources/not revelant/several-other-excuses. That conflict was in addition to the removal of the dateline tag without any discussion. So I'm sorry if I sounded more upset about the incident than perhaps most people would - but I'm glad it brought out discussion and further clarification in the style guide. I prefer to see more flexible use of the guidelines, and I just hate to see good information being removed from stories for apparently no good reason. Karen 17:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

confused about "archived" reference
..aren't the archives always available? Neutralizer 14:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

"link it from the cooler?"
ok, I'd like to do that. Could you please clear it with MrMiscellanious so that he doesn't block me for setting up such a link? (see his last edit on the cooler). Neutralizer 20:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The Inherent Publicness of a Press Release
I'm going to check with Creative Commons on the copyright status of a press release. I assume you don't actually have any knowledge on the subject, but just kinda going with your gut right? I'll let you know what I find.

SouthEastUS 05:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Look what I found: Talk:News release SouthEastUS 06:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Look I totally agree that it is bad journalism to cut and paste a story. It would be much better if the story was re-written. I can't argue this. I made some changes to the release, but I did not completely rewrite it.

However, bad journalism is better than no journalism at all. Cut and paste news is better than no news. Others can add and rework the story once it is posted.

The release being posted on the website is irrelevant. It is still a release, and it still conforms to any standard of being open and public.

While it is not a good practice, is a common practice for traditional media reporters to publish press releases. It has been a common criticism of media coverage of the Iraq war that news outlets regularly published White House press releases verbatum.

Let me know if you find something that suggests otherwise.

SouthEastUS 07:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Charm City
Hey hon, just noticed you're a Balti-moron! Cool!! I stopped there for 20 years 'til I finally got moving along again, southward. From Virginny, a hi and a wave :)

P.S. no wonder you got a kick out of the 'Frankenfish' story. Edbrown05 21:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hope you will help me if this happens
An anon put this on my talk page today; "== Warning == theres a plot to perman. ban you. see: []"

Neutralizer 20:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Did you know about this?
That it is, apparantly, being drafted in your sandbox? It just doesn't seem to be your style and it would make me pretty sad if you are involved. But you don't have to answer if you prefer not to; I have no right to know I suppose. Neutralizer 20:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Chiacomo
Westcoaster is an indep. online news source, the only one for our area (Tofino, Ucluelet, Port Alberni - Vancouver Island, BC). We are just starting out. I don't know what a license compatible with CC-BY is and if you need me to put a disclaimer/statement of license for the story, just tell me what that looks like and I'm happy to do that. I chatted with a Craig this morning about posting up here, made a bit of work for him to delete a bunch that I posted, I'm so sorry to cause you folks work.

" The story you created on wikinews, Can the big M help save the West Coast fishery? Senator Mahovlich On Fisheries is a copyvio of a story found at http://westcoaster.ca:8080/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=76. The website westcoaster.ca doesn't appear to have a license compatible with CC-BY and the individual story has no disclaimer/statement of license for the story. I've not yet tagged the story as I wanted to communicate with you first. --Chiacomo (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)"

Running List
Hi, they all seem to fit ok on my view; so I can't tell how it looks on your screen. On my screen there are now about 3 lines of links. That's great if you wish to add the titles. Thank you. Neutralizer 23:47, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

War stats article
I moved your request to the article talk page.Neutralizer 04:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Blair denies Iraq pullout
Blair denies Iraq pullout, I see you protected this, can you add categories to it? It'll be unlocatable unless it has UK, Iraq, and Politics and conflicts. Brianmc 07:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Nomination for Experimental Arbitration Committee
Hey Chiacomo, I've heard good things about you, so I have nominated you to be an arbiter on the Arbitration Committee. Before making up your mind, please familiarize yourself with how it will work, and feel free to improve on current methods. Once you have made up your mind, let me know on my talk page. Thank you, --M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Use of the byline template
Use of Template:Byline is generally reserved for OR articles (where the reporter is actually on site). Please see Style guide for more information. --Chiacomo (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for that, Chiacomo. I just discovered the template yesterday, and assumed it was the new overall standard. --  user:zanimum

== speed drumming and stefan khacheturian ==

Only World's Fastest Drummer Federation (WFD) can administer speed drumming records. Mr. Stefan Kacheturian's claims are open to intense debate and are being discredited by WFD. Even if his British records are legitemate, they are not as impressive as advertised. If ranked officially by WFD, his 1048 score would be no higher than 10th place,one notch behind 15 year old Matt Smith of Flint, Michigan's 1051.

Thank you so much
I really like it; but I worried it might be too wild...but I did it anyway....thanks for noticing Chiacomo. Neutralizer 05:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Running list; thanks for the heads up
will fix it. Neutralizer 00:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Nigga revert
thanks for reverting

really are there any wiki articles on these vandal bots?--Whywhywhy 09:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Removal of flag on my user space
c.c. Chiacomo and Amgine
 * MrMiscellanious; Perhaps you are unaware that Amgine and Chiacomo on IRC suggested the flag (link to a page on my user space) as an alternative to the link being a Water cooler topic as it was before. In fact, Chiacomo set up the page for me.

 * I do not feel it was appropriate for you to alter my edit on my user space at all; and especially with no discussions. I respectfully request an apology for your action in that regard. I will send a copy of this message to Amgine and Chiacomo so they can explain to you their reasoning for suggesting the flag and I ask you to voice any continued objections you have to them as it was their idea and they know more about the appropriateness of community flags than I do. In the meantime I will put the flag back on my user space. Neutralizer 13:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Equality of restrictions
Chiacomo; I like this addition you made to the Administrators page;"Users currently involved in a dispute with an administrator should not request de-adminship" and I am wondering, since Amgine is updating the blocking policies now, whether it would be a good time to put in the reverse restriction; i.e. "Admins currently involved in a dispute with a user should not block that user". ?? Neutralizer 23:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I just deleted something at the exact same time as you did
\I just deleted something at the exact same time as you did. Bawolff (- 23:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

minor edit
ok; thanks; I did put "background and expand but I guess I should not have clicked the "m" ? Neutralizer 21:24, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

editing comments
Sorry, I just often see where I could have said something better...but I think we should cool it and see if anyone else has an opinion about this? a cup of tea maybe ?Neutralizer 04:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

happy thanksgiving :)
Hi, Chiacomo, I am having such a hard time with the wikinews site; I keep getting disconnected during the preview portion and sometimes stuff gets saved that should not have been and then I can't get back in for 5 minutes. I keep getting kicked to "wikipedia foundation" page? I must remember to put in more edit descriptions. I have been trying to stay away from said articles but I think MrM is causing MUCH more trouble on such articles than me. What about asking him to refrain from such articles as well? and also, how about some blocking for the terrifically nasty personal comments he makes toward many editors(particularly me)..it's very difficult to be the only one trying to avoid confrontation. If you read the suggestions of the mediator, I have done a good job of allowing the community to determine the destiny of articles...Amgine simply discounted the mediator's suggestions and MrM would not even go to mediation. I will work harder to stay away from those articles as I said I would but I expect you to put out the same corrective edits in the direction of MrM and Amgine as you do toward me...that is only fair,Chiacomo, don't you think? Also, Please advise; How do I archive discussion on my talk page?

Thanks for the continued support and have some turkey for me. Neutralizer 19:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit Count
Yup, I've passed 1K edits. :) I'll accept a nomination, but I suspect I'll get some opposition I wouldn't have gotten if I'd accepted earlier. Brian McNeil / talk 08:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Archivin'
Thanks buddy:)) Neutralizer 14:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Stanjan.png -- Fairuse
I don't believe the above image can be used under any of the fair use exceptions permitted on Wikinews. Before deleting, will you please include the URL of the page from which the image was retrieved on the image description page so we can check for sure. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, darn. Go to http://www.berenstainbears.com/, then click "About the Bears" to find a small version of the pic. I don't know where this copy was from now, but I doctored it to not have a yellow glow around it. --  user:zanimum

Re: PRZOOM
I'd disagree. Viewing the site, the items seem to be in PR formatting, however the content is more comparable to a news source rather than a PR source. By that, of course, I mean, there's more news from them than Press Releases. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 18:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks/Quick Question
Chiacomo--Thanks for the welcome, your name somehow reminds me of a race horse. On another note, (excuse me if this is already answered) when an article (like a breaking news story) is being edited by multiple people, does Wikinews somehow pull foward information as two or more people save a version of the article within seconds of each other? In other words, if someone saves a version, then 3 seconds later I save my version, does my version overwrite their version or does their info get included into my version somehow? Thank you, Srcrowl 05:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was going to follow-up, but after thinking about what you are saying, it does make sense. Thanks, Srcrowl 06:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Chiacomo
I mostly make edits on Wikipedia, and didn't realize Wikinews didn't follow the same policy of marking Slashdotted pages as such. I apologize for any inconvenience I've caused you.

Thankyou
Thankyou for providing information on the dispute resolution process. I will be using it for my dispute with Amgine Cartman02au 01:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

subst:hello
Thanks for the tip... ya learn something new every day. - Borofkin 04:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Interviews
Hi. Does Wikinews usually do interviews? Would PGN, of, iirc, SRI, as mentioned in the first article of the Technology Brief for December 14, 2005 I wrote early this morning, be a good person to interview? Thanks, W:Unforgettableid 21:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: User talk pages
I would agree with you if I felt the issue was only that deep. However, it seems as if no matter what I try to contact the user with, my comment ultimately gets deleted from his page and ignored. Obviously, I do not agree with the actions. But, I find the behavior to remove comments, especially when not vandalous, to be very disrespectful. Hence, the restoration. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 02:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for moderation
Seeing as you kindly pointed me towards the dispute resolution process I would be honoured if you would serve as moderator between Amgine and I.

The dispute page is at - Dispute_resolution/Users_Cartman02au_and_Amgine. Of course you are free to not accept my request. Please let me do so either way. Cartman02au 03:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for that link to the interview page. I have put PGN up for December 2005. --Unforgettableid 04:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Howdy
Yeah, doing quite well, physically. I really dislike school though. Way too much stress. (I mean, the learning part would be cool, if they didn't make it so sadistic).

Anyways, season's greetings to you Chiacomo!-- 06:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

mediation
I have to leave in not too many hours for a road trip. I've mentioned on the dispute resolution that I'd like to move on to the discussing-of-resolutions stage of things. Want to take a look? -  Amgine | talk 21:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Travel
Noon my time, 1.5 hours... and so much to accomplish still! -  Amgine | talk en.WN 18:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

hello
I dont really understand "confirmation votes in classes, much like Meta does?" Can you put in a link? International 01:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Now I see. Yes there are some intresting stuff wich some can be used. But I will not go in debate with you about this in watecooler exactly after your comment. Your use of word "rant " and "vitriol" is little countraproductiv if I read between your lines, am I right? As I ranted the discussion Is the best :) International 17:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No, you are not rambling. The "discussionfirst" was my little complain in my comment. By just vote at the right place and keep the commenting under Comments this will work fine. International 00:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

response

 * The more of the world we can cover, the better off we are. I noticed that many of your artiles have a single source -- while there's nothing in policy requiring more than one source, in practice, we generally try to have at least two sources.

That's because there were not other sources available on those articles.

 * These are just a sampling of example articles. Generally, the publish date is the date that the tag is added to the article. Our goal is to publish current news -- rather than dated text.

I know, I think that is very bad policy, but I haven't done it since I learned about this policy. --MateoP 16:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Today short infobox
Glad you like the infobox, it makes Wikinews navigable without reference to the "back" button. :) Yes, I'm probably going to keep sticking it on lots of articles. Brian McNeil / talk 20:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Penny drops So, you've got this automatically stuck on articles.  I think that's a good thing, we should be concentrating on bringing people into the wiki* world and letting them see where it can go.  I've put the full-length template on a couple of stories and left others alone because they had graphic content, but anything that keeps people looking at Wikimedia sites is good.

Sam Maestas, Community Activist
Sorry Chiacomo, but what do I need to do to solve this dispute and how do I make to necessary changes? How do I get this piece in the encyclopedia?

Burning building in Brasilia
I added the source... check it out. Sitenl 00:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

No policy?
You're kidding, right? Whenever users act such as Primetime and Gyre did, it's an attack. It's disruptive. A six-month block is acceptable in this case - forging votes and comments in order to disrupt the community and it's process. I'd like to hear why six months isn't acceptable in this case. Because for me, it's not even enough. These people were here for one reason: disrupt the RfdA by manipulating it. There is no good faith in their edits, and for you to assume one is present is troubling to me. --MrMiscellanious – Happy Hanukkah – 19:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And I will be upholding the blocking policy, for it does state that users who "Are trouble-makers who are not contributing to our goals." do get blocked. Additionally, under the disruption part of the blocking policy - "Admins may, at their judgement, block IP addresses or usersnames that disrupt the normal functioning of Wikinews. Such disruption may include changing other users' signed comments or making deliberately misleading edits."  The actions are fully within policy regulations.  --MrMiscellanious – Happy Hanukkah – 19:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help.
Thank you for your help on the OC Transpo article. I had some typos I was fixing and darn wiki edit conflict showed up... so that's why I got some what might look like seemingly revert edits. :s eik! Thank you again. (I guess I'll have to make a wikinews account) w:user:CyclePat  --72.57.8.215 03:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * So how do we make it so when we do a search for OC Transpo or OCTranspo it shows up somewhere?

 * Thank you for the positive comment. I sent a link of this article to OC Transpo feedback.  We'll see if they leave me any feedback of if they edit the article!!  --72.57.8.215 03:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

StuRat's 3RR violation
I'm glad to see you didn't block StuRat for this, but can you offer an opinion on the article's talk page about inclusion of the country in this instance. At the time StuRat got into a dispute about the article it made no mention anywhere in the title or article of the location of the incident. MateoP's inclusion of Mexico in the article text at my suggestion seemed a little halfhearted and not really an answer to what was, I believe, a legitimate concern. Brian McNeil / talk 23:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think it was a 3RR vio. The first rename isn't counted because nothing was reverted there. The actually reverting only started after that. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Also note that I did not revert to the same thing as before, but rather tried to take suggestions into account and modified the original title accordingly. Specifically, Brian McNeil told me using a slash in the title might cause a problem and MateoP objected to my removal of the name of the Mexican city from the title, so I took both suggestions into account and modified subsequent titles accordingly. Thus, I believe I have neither violated the spirit nor the letter of the 3 revert rule. MateoP, on the other hand, has reverted the title 3 times in 24 hours to exactly the same thing, and has ignored (and in fact attacked as "Eurocentric") both my comments on the deficiencies in the title as well as Brian McNeil's comments on the need to identify the country in question. Therefore, I would like to request that he be blocked, or at least warned, for this behaviour:

 * 20:30, 3 January 2006 MateoP m (Rape and murder suspects in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico arrested moved to Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested)

 * 19:52, 3 January 2006 MateoP m (Rape/murder suspects in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico arrested moved to Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested)

 * 18:50, 3 January 2006 MateoP m (Rape/murder suspects in Mexico arrested moved to Rape suspects in Ciudad Juárez arrested)

StuRat 23:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

StuRat tried to enforce his point of view 4 times. I have not blocked him and I won't unless something else happens. --Chiacomo (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Category: Published
After adding my last comment I noticed this page is marked as Published, shurely shome mishtake? Brian McNeil / talk 23:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

JND
no problem, but the "by Name" has got to go. Will leave it in your capable hands. -  Amgine | talk en.WN 15:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Awwh, thanks!
Thank you very much for your award, Chiacomo! Unfortunately... it looks like a bleeding seal. No worries, it's still a great reward with plenty of meaning nonetheless. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Airstrike Article
Nope...if it was published, then they did it against my opinion DragonFire1024 is Jason Safoutin 19:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

a "hello" required?
user 129.115.251.120 looks like he intended to sign (and presumably sign-up), a hello boilerplate in order? Doldrums 07:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Rephrased my opposition
Hi,Thanks for the welcome back. I reflected on exactly why I feel you are not ready for this position and I am now sure I have expressed my feelings accurately. Not to open old wounds but you deserve to know that I am still very hurt and confused about what your involvement was in the offsite dossier that was used to try to kick me off the project. It just seems so weird that it would be your journowiki sandbox and your first edit and then all the rest were done by Amgine. The way it was done just seems so unfriendly and ambush like; I can still hardly believe you were involved at all in that method.
 * Having said that, I have no hard feelings at all; just a bit of hurt feelings and confusion on my part; but I do feel that the involvement by yourself in that episode (above) is incompatible with the level of transparancy and independence that would be hoped for among the Arbcom members. I hope you can understand what I am trying to say? Neutralizer 04:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your encouraging words; I am really trying to be useful; but it seems whatever little edit I try to make, I am facing accusations of "violation" and "disruption" from either MrM or Amgine. Would you please have a look at my edits hereon the article and talk page as well as MrM's comments toward me and please tell me what I did wrong and how I should respond to MrM? Neutralizer 05:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok,that helps, please be a bit more specific about the timeline allowable for editing published articles (how long after publishing is it reasonable to make a correction/addition). Also, how should I respond to MrM's use of the "violation" word? Neutralizer 05:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That is quite helpful.I'll have a go at it manana. Thanks:) Neutralizer 05:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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Former SA Deputy President Appears In Court

October 11, 2005

Former Deputy President of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, has appeared in a Durban court to face corruption charges. Mr Zuma was dismissed by the President, Thabo Mbeki, earlier in the year, following the conviction on fraud charges of his financial advisor, Schabir Shaik.


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Warrants issued for 28 in Iraqi corruption scandal

October 11, 2005

As a result of the investigation into the misappropriation of approximately one, the Iraqi government has issued warrants for the arrest of the former defense minister, Hazem Shaalan, and 27 other senior officials from the US-sponsored  of.

It is alleged that the missing funds were embezzled during corrupt military procurement procedures that left Iraqi defence forces with sub-standard equipment. Contracts were over-priced and cash was moved abroad to pay for the outdated equipment; this was in effect a money laundering scheme.

Many of those wanted in connection with the embezzlement are believed to have fled the country; Iraqi officials are seeking assistance from Interpol to track down suspects. The ex-defense minister is believed to be in Jordan; the Iraqi government met on Monday with the intention to strip Shaalan of the immunity he is afforded as a. This action failed as the parliament did not have a.

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User talk:80.5.101.38

Welcome
80.5.101.38, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Deprifry | +T+ 10:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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Welcome
Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly. 81.144.244.67, welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Deprifry | +T+ 12:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how an article should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
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User:85.28.66.218

Hi, about "free software" and "open source software", I've replied to your post on the slightly old Wesnoth article: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Open_source_game_Wesnoth_reaches_version_1.0 85.28.66.218 14:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Chinese activist severely beaten by "mob"

Benjamin Joffe-Walt's report has highly exaggerated the assault. In fact Lu later told a Chinese blogger on the phone that he was only slightly injured. 昔日反战人盾，如今新闻骗子——请《卫报》开除上海记者本杰明

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Please add this article to Category:The Guardian. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 02:57, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


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Moderate earthquake hits Indonesia

October 11, 2005

A moderate earthquake hit Indonesia at 15:05:39 (UTC). The magnitude 6.0 quake did not create a tsumani. The epicenter was in the Northern Sumatra region, 80 km. SSW of Banda Aceh. There is no word on damage or casulties yet.

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US Homeland Security Department doubts credibility of New York subway threat

October 12, 2005

The US news agency CNN is reporting that the recent New York subway terrorist threat this past weekend was based on "false information." The original tip lead to the arrest of three men in Iraq with suspected ties to the plot; however, under interrogation which included lie detector tests, investigators discovered they had no knowledge of any planned terror attacks on the New York subway system.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was skeptical of the threat since it was first announced last week. More recently, Russ Knocke, a spokesman for the DHS, said "The intelligence community has been able to determine that there are very serious doubts about the credibility of this specific threat."

Responding to the new comments from the DHS, New York City Mayor Bloomberg replied, "We've got to take every threat seriously and that is what we are going to do." Even before the new questions about the tip's accuracy, Mayor Bloomberg was already defending his decision to increase security and promised that the measures will remain in place for at least the near future. Mayor Bloomberg explained that, while he did not believe he made a mistake in calling for increased security, "If I'm going to make a mistake you can rest assured it is on the side of being cautious." New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly agreed, adding, "We did exactly the right thing." Critics of Bloomberg have charged that the threat was a bid to "look strong" in support for his upcoming re-election attempt.


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Australian senator Barnaby Joyce crosses floor

Barnaby Joyce, a National Party member of Parliament crossed the floor in the Australian Senate October 11 over legislation proposed to permit mergers without the agreement of the competition watchdog body, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. He has not, however, changed his party membership.

The question over the proposed changes was put at 9.26pm when Joyce crossed the floor to vote against them. The vote was tied with 32 for and 32 against and thus the question was not carried by the government (the President of the Australian Senate does not hold the casting vote as in the Australian House of Representatives).

The Liberal Party/National Party coalition of which Joyce is a member holds a narrow majority of one seat in the Senate and Joyce has stated that he has chosen to exercise his vote in support of the promises made to his electorate prior to the election, rather than be obedient to the directions of the party executive. This is the first time Joyce, a recently elected senator, has crossed the floor in the Senate, and Joyce has suggested that this may not be the last.


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The following sentence seemed only marginally relevant, so I'm deleting it but leaving a copy here in case someone wants to put it back: "Meanwhile, MSNBC's Keith Olberman will be airing a special report titled "The Nexus of Politics and Terror" tonight on the coincidences between terror events and bad political news."

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African Union hostages freed by Darfur rebels

October 12, 2005

Forces from the Sudanese rebel group, the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), have assisted in liberating 38 African Union (AU) personnel that were taken hostage on Sunday. The kidnapped–which consisted of the original 18 hostages, and later a 20 man rescue team–were released on Monday. Initially, two hostages remained but were freed following a reported shootout with the kidnappers.

A splinter group of JEM was blamed for the attack, but Mohamed Saleh, the head of the dissident faction, has denied the allegations.

Saleh was the military head of JEM when it signed a ceasefire agreement in April, but later split with the group's leadership. It is said that he now commands "thousands" of troops in the Darfur region, and is looking for a seat at the ongoing peace talks. He accused the AU of taking sides, and stated that he will not honour the ceasefire.

While speaking with Reuters, Saleh said, "We want the AU to leave, and we have warned them not to travel to our areas. We don't know and don't care what is happening to the AU, they are part of the conflict now."

Violence in the region has continued to rise. According to BBC correspondent Jonah Fisher, hostilities toward AU peacekeepers are becoming more common. It has been noted that aid agencies are refusing to travel with African Union personnel, stating that the mere presence of the peacekeepers may draw fire.

Kofi Annan, at a press conference in Geneva, responded to the rising violence by suggesting aid to the region may be partially suspended. "Both rebels and government must understand that, if these incidents continue, it will impede humanitarian assistance and delivery."

This weekend marked the first time the African Union has suffered casualties in the region. Three personnel were killed in attacks believed to be perpetrated by the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA). Despite the violence, the SLA, JEM, and the AU have promised to continue the peace talks which are being held in Abuja.


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I think I made this as balanced and accurate as possible. Critiques are encouraged! --Wolfrider 02:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Looks excellent. Thanks for doing it. (rcameronw)


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China successfully launches Shenzhou VI manned rocket

October 12, 2005 BBC News is reporting that the People's Republic of China has successfully launched its second manned space flight, Shenzhou VI.

The mission is more ambitious than the previous Shenzhou V, which made China only the third nation to launch a manned space mission. Shenzhou VI will carry two astronauts, Nie Haisheng and Fei Junlong, compared to the previous mission which only carried a single astronaut, Yang Liwei. The newest astronauts will also stay in orbit longer, five days compared to the 21 hour, 14 orbit flight of Shenzhou V.

The director of the Chinese Space Crew Training program, Chen Shanguang, explained to the media that the country would send a woman to Space within five years. "Women are more patient compared with male astronauts, their psychological qualities are more stable and they face isolation better," according to Chen.


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Very sorry, buggered up renaming - can someone fix? --Wm 02:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Changified the reference link to the Senate Hansard rather than the House o' Reps Hansard.

--Mat

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I am very curious what happened to the basic issue behind the article about further allegations of prisoner abuse in Iraq. An article appeared on this subject, I think it was on Monday. Due to problems with an unsupported and inflammatory quote that it included, it was quickly moved to the "in preparation" column, but it then completely disappeared. Although the original quote may have been false, I was under the impression that there was indeed an issue about whether the government could block the release of further documents. But I can find nothing on this on any of the current listings. Was the whole thing a hoax? I hope that someone can clarify this.


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While we welcome original reporting, we have been unable to find any corroborating evidence that this even actually exists. I am a great fan of local news and would LOVE to retain this article if there is some website or some independent person who can verify this article. Is there no local college newspaper or anything else that can be used to simply source the article. Additionally, it would be helpful if individuals real names were used in the article -- news stories don't generally use nicknames or aliases. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Thai PM sues newspaper for 500 million baht

October 12, 2005

The Thai Prime Minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, has filed criminal and civil suits against Manager Media Group plc, the publisher of a Thai-language daily newspaper, Phujadkarn (Manager). At issue is the publishing of a sermon by the well-respected Buddhist monk Luangta Maha Bua that compared the Thai Prime minister to Phra Devadhat, the Thai Buddhist equivalent of the devil.

Mr Sinawatra's lawyer, Noppadol Meewanna, filed the two lawsuits on the Prime Minister's behalf, citing the newspaper, manager Saowalak Theeranuchanyon, and editor Khunthong Loseriwanit as defendants. This civil suit demands 500 million baht (approx. 12 million US dollars or 10 million euros). The associated criminal case seeks to have charges of libel brought against the defendants. The complaint argues that the defendants should have edited the sermon text to remove potentially libellous sections.

Deputy Prime Minister, Wissanu Krean-gam, stated that there was no active policy of persecuting the media and that Mr Sinawatra was acting in a personal capacity in bringing these cases.

The criminal case is due to be reviewed on November 18, when it will be decided if there are grounds for taking it to trial. If the court finds against the defendants they face a maximum penalty of up to two years in prison and up to 200,000 baht (approx. 5,000 US dollars or 4,000 euros) in fines.

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Bad weather makes life tougher for quake survivors

October 12, 2005

While Aid starts to pour in to the worst hit areas of South Asia Earthquake that has killed more than 30,000 people, bad weather is hampering the relief efforts with snow falling on the peaks of the earthquake-devastated areas of Pakistan.

The measure of human suffering can't just be measured in the death toll, which officially stands at 23,000, but also in the 4 million who have been made homeless, hungry, and cold with 1 million in acute need, facing certain death without outside assistance. In the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir, authorities say at least 1,300 people are known to have died, but officials fear the number will rise.

ABC Australia reports of a man in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, who has been cut from aid, saying "I find that we are alone now. We have nothing. We are finished."

Choppers are the main lifeline of support; trucks are unable to deliver relief supplies due to looting and general mayhem on the ground. The more snow, the less able aid agencies are to make their way to those in the direst need.

Jan Vandemoortele, U.N. Resident Coordinator for Pakistan, said key roads into the quake zone have been reopened, as 30 countries including Australia, France, Japan, Jordan, China, Russia, Iran, Syria and the US provide assistance in the form of money, doctors, tents, blankets, and disaster relief teams.

United Nations officials are warning of a growing threat of measles, cholera, and diarrhea outbreaks among the millions of survivors.

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Syrian Interior Minister dead from apparent suicide

October 12, 2005

The Syrian Interior Minister, Ghazi Kanaan, has committed suicide–according to the official Syrian News Agency SANA. The suicide has caused much controversy, as some Middle Eastern analysts suggest he may have been executed as a sacrificial lamb.

Kanaan had been under investigation two weeks earlier by a United Nations team probing the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri. The assassination of Hariri took place on February 14, 2005 when explosives equivalent to around 1000 kg of TNT were detonated as his motorcade drove past the St. George Hotel in the Lebanese capital, Beirut. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told CNN that he was not aware of any evidence suggesting Hariri's death was not suicide. "If indeed there is a Syrian national implicated in it, he would be considered a traitor and most severely punished," the President said.

"The minister of interior died in his office this afternoon after committing suicide, and the authorities are investigating the incident," the SANA report stated. It is reported that the suicide was carried out by shooting himself in the mouth.

Earlier in the day, Kanaan went on Lebanese radio station, Voice of Lebanon, denying that he showed the U.N. investigators cheques paid to him by the late Hariri. Kanaan was Syria's most powerful intelligence chief in Lebanon, which was ruled by Syria until its military withdrawal earlier this year. He returned to Damascus in 2002 as political intelligence chief and joined the cabinet in 2004.

The UN report on Hariri's assassination is expected to be out at the end of October. The UN investigator, Detlev Mehlis, questioned senior Syrian officials in Damascus during a visit at the end of September. The United States froze Kanaan's assets in the country during July saying he had aided terrorism in Lebanon.

Some parties have suggested that Kanaan's death was arranged to protect others involved in the assassination of Hariri, thus preempting action against others as a result of the pending UN report.

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User:ShaunMacPherson~enwikinews

Hello!

I have been on Wikipedia for nearly 2 years (in January) but I am interested in exploring the other Wikimedia projects. Currently I am looking around Wikinews to see what it's scope is.

Hopefully the scope of Wikinews can, if not does, include local news. It would be interesting to expand Wikinews to include local, news and politics, the ability to cader to specific audiences such as being a newspaper for a College/University.

Hopefully opinion pieces should be allowed since many magazines argue a point of view, but with NPOV facts that can be challenged. It is often dry reading just to be presented the facts, but articles that take a stance, even one I do not agree with, and argue it opens up your mind. As long as the facts presented in such a story are not being slanted to push an adjenda, simply present it, such stories could be of great benefit to journalistic organizations including Wikinews.

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Bali nine lawyer challenges police on legality of drug case

October 12, 2005

The lawyer for one of the members of the so called Bali Nine is claiming he will challenge the legality of the indictment against his client.

Adnan Wirawan, the lawyer of Martin Stephens from Wollongong, says his client has been unfairly accused as being the ring leader of an alleged conspiracy to smuggle drugs: "He's a human suitcase... he was being told what to do."

Stephens appeared in Denpasar District Court on Wednesday. The prosecution claimed that Stephens and Renae Lawrence, from Newcastle, had their hotel and trip to Bali paid for by the accused mastermind, Andrew Chan.

Stephens' mother, Michelle, was in court for her son's first appearance and says she will support him throughout his trial: "I'm here to support my son, and I love him and I believe in him. And that's all I can say."


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Heating bills, oil price rise predicted

A US government report was issued Wednesday predicting the rise of heating bills due to colder temperatures and impacts Hurricanes Rita and Katrina had on the nation's energy production.

Local forecasters predict that most of the US will have a warmer-than-expected winter this year. However, households that heat their homes by gas can expect to pay 29.8% more in heating bills. In the case of colder-than-expected weather, an increase of 66% in household heating costs is likely. In typical weather, prices will rise about 47.6%. Households that use electricity can expect a rise of about 5% from last year. NOAA's 2005-2006 U.S. Winter Outlook calls for warmer-than-normal temperatures across much of the central and western United States, including Alaska and Hawaii. The Midwest, the Southern Californian coast and the East Coast have equal chances of warmer, cooler or near-normal temperatures this winter.

Around one third of the US crude oil and one fifth of the natural gas outputs in Mexico still remain closed due to hurricane-related damage. Seven oil refineries remain offline.

The Energy Information Administration predicts that the price of oil will rise to around $64 per barrel (42 gallons or 158.97 litres) in 2006, with $58 being the average for this year.

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EBay buys VeriSign payment service division

October 12, 2005

eBay and VeriSign announced an agreement late Monday for eBay to acquire VeriSign’s debit and credit card processing division. This division would become a part of eBay’s PayPal.

eBay will pay VeriSign $370 million in cash and stock for this division. Starting in the coming year eBay will begin using two-factor authentication from VeriSign. Two-factor authentication is a type of transaction protection that gives users digital certificates or one-time passwords helping to protect against identity theft.

"This acquisition allows PayPal to give our customers more choice in payment services and grow our merchant services business even more quickly," said president of PayPal Jeff Jordan.

"In working with PayPal and eBay, we are going to be offering them our security technology, allowing them to offer their users stronger forms of authentication," said VeriSign CEO Stratton Sclavos.

Last year VeriSign's gateway business processed $40 billion in transactions. It is expected to generate an additional $100-million revenue for eBay in 2006. It is also expected to increase the customer base by 100,000. The acquisition is expected to close this quarter.


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Singapore Exam Board sets mathematically impossible question

October 12, 2005

The Exam Board of Singapore handled many complaints about the incorrectly written math question on an end-of-the-year examination.

The Primary School Leaving Examinations (PSLE) are taken nationwide and determine what secondary school students enter. The students get into secondary schools based on merit. Based on this system, Singaporeans commonly determine how 'smart' a student is based on what school they got into.

"This is ridiculous," said a secondary student.

Question 13 of the Math exam required students to calculate the area of rectangle C based on the area of triangles A and B. The dimensions of the rectangle of which the triangles were in and the triangles themselves are inconsistent. Based on these calculations, it is mathematically impossible to draw that diagram.

All students have been given two marks regardless of their answer. However, some parents and students in top schools remain unsatisfied.

"I do not think it is fair because those who got it correct, actually it will still be the same with the others. They don't deserve it and maybe we do," said one student. "A lot of people might have spent a lot of time on that question and not have time to check on the other questions but then everyone gets two marks. 89 is an A and 91 is an A*, so there is quite a lot of difference."

Another student in the Gifted Education Programme insisted, "Well, if you get the second answer (not 25) the first time you attempt the question, you will naturally try using another method to find the answer. Say you get 25 on the second time, which is the correct answer, and 25 is the only answer you get that is inside the options, you will put your answer as 25. Therefore, I think that the SEAB should not award 2 free marks to everybody. It's unfair! Plus, the question was so easy."

Other students were happy with the compensation. "I'm very very happy that they are giving us two marks."

The Exam Board stated that it had carried out at least 5 rounds of checks by experienced examiners. It also assured parents and students all exams would be thoroughly checked to be error-free in the future.


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The story needs (a) a second source, (b) a related news link to an old story about the Bali nine, and (c) some backgrund on the Bali nine, like comments on the death penalty, but none of these things prevents publishing if we are alll too lazy. :) - Nyarlathotep 17:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


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Microsoft and Yahoo team up to make IM clients compatible

October 12, 2005

Internet rivals Microsoft and Yahoo have agreed to make their programs,  and, work together. Instant messaging, or IM as it commonly known, is becoming an increasingly popular communication service, mainly because of the speed of communication which almost equals regular conversation.

This move, announced on Wednesday, would mainly focus on earlier forms of instant messaging, like sending text messages to other people via the Internet. This arrangement is expected to start around June 2006.

The agreement will allow the companies to compete against the popular service (AOL), and, Google's relatively new instant messaging service that was opened to the public in beta form in September. The companies said that this relationship is the fruit of many years of negotiation.

Until now, AOL has been able to move and develop the IM market at its own pace, due to its widespread use within the United States. With this arrangement in place, this freedom might end. The number of users of the Yahoo! and Microsoft services combined will rival the number of AOL's customers.

Microsoft had previously held talks with AOL over possible partnerships in the instant messaging field. However, the status of these negotiations is unknown.


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Talk:Syrian Interior Minister dead from apparent suicide

Title needs changing
I don't see how this story can be seen as factual as the title indicates.Neutralizer 20:03, 12 October 2005 (UTC) I have changed the title and think the story needs more development. There seems to be no proof it was a suicide other than the words of Syria which has been deemed a rogue state by several governments. Neutralizer 20:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So anything Syria reports can't be true, because it has been labelled a "rogue state" by some? I agree with you on the title, though, the current one is a whole better than the previous. - 85.76.225.44 21:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The new title is much better, but some of the recent edits had made a real mess of the story and not taken into account that this was listed as Lead Article. What I picked up was messy, the additional material should not have gone in as a new second paragraph as it is not key to the event.  My earlier edits were to try and turn the original writer's bullet points into something that could be easily read, and the additional material made no sense to me without going and reading the source articles.  There is valid material in considering that the death is suspected suicide, but it needs to be carefully written to expand on the tail end of the story.  It should not be used to sensationalise what is there already.
 * Now, having read the sources, I think the whole thing needs a lot of work to make a really good article. However, saying the title wasn't factual isn't accurate.  It was, but it was a poor headline - especially for something going up as Lead.  Brianmc 21:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Placement of "murder" allegations
I'm not going to touch the text of this again, but I'd like to see the suggestion that the Syrian news agency isn't telling the truth given less emphasis. If it is going in as the second paragraph with no expansion of the first then the first sentence has to sum up the concept in about 20 words. My reasoning for applying that arbitrary rule is that the end of the first sentence in the second para. is the limit for what you can use as an extract to go on the Lead article. As it stands I don't think there is any way to take the start of this story and use it as Lead, you either don't have enough information to draw people into the story, or you have too much and make it not worth reading the article. Brianmc 22:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


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Constitution changes do not convince most Sunni parties

October 12, 2005

A last minute Constitutional Deal has been struck that brings one Sunni Party into the political mainstream and approval from the US Government. The Iraqi Islamic Party, has decided on Tuesday to support the New Constitution. According to a Party source, "Some of our demands have been met so the Party endorsed the Constitution and urged the people to vote, 'Yes'." Iraq's parliament has moved immediately to ratify the changes just days before the nationwide constitutional referendum on October 15th.

The Bush administration has welcomed the news as a breakthrough; State Department spokesman Adam Ereli has said the Agreement, "Shows, frankly, that the political process in Iraq is working."

Most Sunni political groups have maintained their opposition to the constitution and are urging either a boycott or a "No" vote on Saturday, arguing that the charter could break up the state and hand too much power to Shi'ites and Kurds.


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Apple introduces new iPod with video playback capabilities

October 13, 2005

On Wednesday, Apple introduced an capable of displaying video, as well as a new video section to the  music store. Apple CEO Steve Jobs believes that this may have a large impact on the film industry, in a similar fashion to that of the impact on the music industry when the iPod first was released.

The new iPod comes in a 30GB edition and a 60GB edition for US$299 and US$399, respectively. On the 30GB iPod, 75 hours of video at a resolution of 320x240 can be stored, and on the 60GB iPod, 150 hours can be stored. Despite these features, people claim that the screen may be too small for people to enjoy. However, iPod owners will be able to purchase an optional S-Video cable for playing video from their iPod on a television.

To help complement the new video section, Apple and have agreed to a deal in which episodes of television programs such as ' and ' will be available the day after airing for $1.99 per episode. Other plans for the video section involve the animation company, which was founded by current Apple CEO Steve Jobs. There are also plans to distribute content from, Pixar's distributor and owner of ABC. In addition, music videos will also be available at the on-line music store for $1.99 each.

New iMac G5
The video iPod was announced along with a new model of its, which features a remote control that allows the iMac to act as a home media center as well as a normal personal computer. To control media center capabilities, the new iMac is sold with a program called Front Row. Some customers have complained however that this iMac is missing functionality out-of-the-box that allows a user to watch TV on it.

The new iMac also has an Apple digital camera built-in as well as a thinner design than its predecessor.


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Gunmen, police clash in south Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria

October 13, 2005 Clashes between gunmen and police have broken out in the capital of the southern Russian republic of Kabardino-Balkaria where Chechen rebels claimed responsibility for the insurgency.

The fighting in Nalchik started after a coordinated set of attacks were carried out against city security forces and police stations. The airport and government buildings were also targeted. The strike is believed to have come from anywhere between 60 to 500 insurgents. The insurgents used heavy arms fire, coupled with explosions at the outset, that lasted five hours. A police station has been captured and hostages taken.

According to reports from Russian press sources, 61 of the gunmen have been killed and 17 have been captured, and there may be dozens of civilian casualties. Seven policemen were also killed. Several government buildings throughout the city are on fire and some schools have been involved and evacuated accordingly.

Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered the army to seal off the city and shoot any insurgent who tries to escape. Officials in the city are saying the situation is slowly returning to normal.


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US extradition request blocked by Dutch court

October 13, 2005

Citing concerns over the suspect's rights, a court in The Hague has blocked the extradition of a man with dual Dutch-Egyptian nationality.

The lawsuit was started after the Dutch Minister of Justice, Piet Hein Donner, agreed to the extradition. The suspect has apparently been in custody for the past eight months pending his extradition. The court ruled that, following changes in US law after the September 11 attacks of 2001, he could not be guaranteed unrestricted access to a lawyer, and there was the possibility that due to alleged al-Qaeda links he could be detained indefinitely without trial.

A note provided by United States diplomats was not viewed by the district court as adequate assurance of the suspect's right to due process; the Embassy had protested the requirement of assurances and qualified their statement to the court in specifying that a suspect would receive the rights laid out in the U.S. constitution when "at their trial".

The man, who was only identified by his initials, MA, is accused of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud with the aim of aiding the al-Qaeda terrorist network.


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Trial of Saddam Hussein to be televised

October 13, 2005

As the start date of the former Iraqi leader's trial approaches, the chief judge of the tribunal has stated that the fate of Saddam Hussein will be broadcast on live television. In a statement to CNN, Iraqi national security advisor Muwaffaq Rubaie said that "...this is going to be a fair, just trial with a defense counsel in there, with a proper prosecuting council as well there..."

The first charge, filed earlier this month, alleges Hussein's responsibility in the 1982 killing of 143 residents of Dujail, in which he was the target of a botched assassination attempt. The details of other charges are unclear.

The tribunal, which was set up in December 2003, has been marred by delays. There are accusations of bias from the defense council of Hussein, as well as fears for the judges' safety which have consistently pushed the trial back. The defense team has challenged the tribunal's legitimacy and stated they have not been given enough time to prepare.

This concern has been echoed in the past by some human rights groups, "It's really critical that it's done right," says Michael Posner, executive director of the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights. "For those who believe in international justice and accountability for human rights crimes, the trial of Saddam Hussein is a rare opportunity to test the system and make it work."

Many Iraqis, particularly Shia and Kurdish, want to see Hussein tried for chemical gas attacks on the Kurds in the 1980s. In 1988, one of these chemical attacks killed as many as 5,000 people. As well, many Iraqis want Hussein punished for reprisals against a Shia uprising in 1991.

The crimes that the special tribunal will focus on include:

 * A mortar attack on the city of Kirkuk.
 * The killing of 8,000 members of the Barzani tribe, a Kurdish community.
 * The invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
 * Crimes against secular and religious parties.
 * Forced emigration of thousands of Kurds from northern Iraq into Iran.

Hussein's strategy for defense was outlined by defense team member Abdul Haq al-Ani, as reported by Dan Senor, as consisting of four "pillars":

 * The first argues that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and as such, Saddam Hussein is still legally president. If so, then under the Saddam era constitution he is entitled to immunity.
 * The second suggests that Hussein's alleged war crimes were no different than George W. Bush's response to 9/11: A response to insurrection.
 * The third pillar is to call Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld to testify. It will attempt to highlight the support the United States gave to Iraq in the 1980s.
 * The fourth will be to present an unflattering portrayal of American foreign policy.

The trial is set to begin on Wednesday, October 19th.

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Very, very nicely done, I'll have to say. Congrats. --Deprifry | +T+ 17:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Bows deeply* Thanks. :-) --Wolfrider 17:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

slight pov concerns
1;US support of Iraq in the 80's is historical fact; but I don't want to burdon the article with those facts so I'll remove the word alledged 2; The reference to "goad" is too pov so I'll remove that.

Very good article overall,imo. Neutralizer 18:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Awesome thanks. I didn't even think of goad being POV. --Wolfrider 19:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


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Archos advertisements
I have noticed how you edits on Apple introduces new iPod with video capabilities are advertisements for Archos. I would just like to let you know that placing advertisements (especially irrelevant advertisements) for products are against our neutral point of view policy, and are to be removed. Please cease in adding links to Archos in an article for Apple. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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MusicalAngel, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Google hires lead developer for open source instant messenger, Gaim

October 13, 2005 Google recently hired Sean Egan, the lead developer of Gaim, an open source instant messenger, in an apparent bid to improve their Google Talk messenger's interoperability. The news follows a recent announcement by Microsoft and Yahoo that the two companies plan to allow their instant messengers to interoperate. Google Talk is based on Jabber technology, which is an open standard which any instant messenger can be programmed to interoperate with. The Gaim instant messaging client, as of the most recent version (1.5.0), can communicate on AIM and ICQ (Oscar protocol), MSN Messenger, Yahoo!, IRC, Jabber, Gadu-Gadu, SILC, GroupWise Messenger, and Zephyr networks. Gaim is cross-platform, with versions available for Linux, BSD, MacOS X, and Windows.


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Talk:Apple introduces new iPod with video playback capabilities

Too many iMac references?
Isn't the paragraph on the new iMac G5 and a picture to go along with it a bit too much for an article about the iPod? —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 23:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but if that's the case, all it should need is a title change to something along the lines of "Apple unveils new versions of iMac, iPod at event", and it should solve the issue. --Mrmiscellanious 23:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is the case, in my opinion. I think anyone casually reading this article would be inclined to agree. 13:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Product placement vs news
This "story" is alarmingly like a product placement. The only personal view reported is that of the CEO of the company launching the product. An awful lot of wikinews stories follow this trend. Please don't look for solutions to this problem in policy development. There will always be cracks that some lamer can push a story like this through. Instead, let's just be straight about this. If you write a story like this, you are lame.

It's too late to fix, so don't try. By even posting the article, you have shown that your intent was not to discover meaningful news happenings, but instead you wanted to brag about some sexy new thang that you desire to own or sell. We shouldn't do repair jobs on spam, it's like putting a coat of paint on a dog turd.

Slashdot does a really good job of covering these types of new products. Advertisers, and what passes for industry press, do a good job of publicising these types of new products. But Wikinewsians? Who gives a shit about the latest new vacuum cleaner feature or car door styling? I want to know what happened in Africa today. Get on it, you lazy bum!

-- Hongslop 06:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

MessedRocker is a wikinewsie, not an apple rep. I think. I guess he just likes ipods.

It's a good article, if biased (hey, you can play vids on an old i-river with good firmware), but, well, I don't care. As long as it's by a real wikinewsie. I'd say let it run, or do a bit of a fix if you really feel the urge.

I wrote this because I thought people would be very interested. iPod is a very popular product, and I want to deliver the news for it. Though I admit, I do want to own one of those someday. —M ESSED R OCKER (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikify
wikify There are words like Pixar and Disney which can be wikified. •–• 22:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 * Done. --Pi zero (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


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Title was more accurate before
Silly to change the title to hide the fact the extradition was requested by the US. Neutralizer 23:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * i agree the previous title was better, it covered the content of the news better. 130.89.11.31 09:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think the change concealed the origin of the extradition request. I just think the original was a better title (I wrote it after all) and am glad this turned out to be reasonably non-controversial.  Was the article text suitably NPOV without being washed out? Brianmc 19:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * S'pose it's too late for me to offer concerns, but it seems like the title can be confusing (can be interpereted many ways; such as an internal conflict with the Dutch gov't). I changed it to reflect that, but I suppose no one found it confusing but me.  --Mrmiscellanious 03:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


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NPOV
Title is complete misleading and article is too one-sided. Even within the existing sources ; "hopes of winning Sunni approval of the document" "However, a number of Sunni parties remain hostile to the constitution" Neutralizer 00:14, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That seems to be showing both the opposing and appraising sides of the subject in question. Do you have a specific issue?  --Mrmiscellanious 00:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Please read the sources. The Sunni party is not embracing the constitution + this article needs lots more substance and content from both points of view. Neutralizer 03:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't see what more can be added. It covers most of what the sources cover (which don't go into any details on what concessions were made) and I certainly don't see a NPOV problem here. The title of the article is a little sensationalist. I think a more appropriate title would be: "Iraq Sunni party backs constitution" or even "Concessions allow Sunni party to back constitution". If the author can find more information on what the particular concessions were it would be most helpful. As it is the story is still "under development" so at the moment there is no need for the NPOV tag. A title change is needed though. --Wolfrider 03:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, it was published, but he changed it to develop at the same time as he added the NPOV. I think the objection wasn't worth unpublishing it. Move it to a new title, add a sentence pointing out that most Sunni parties still reject it, whatever, but it wasn't atrociously unpublishable in the state before Neutralizer unpublished it. I think it could have been left and not been too POV, though I agree about changing "embrace" in the title to something more neutral. Joshua Nicholson 08:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'll change the title and add a sentence like the user above suggests; however, I still feel the article needs much more content to really report this event. Neutralizer 12:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


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Ubuntu releases third version of popular Linux distribution

October 14, 2005

The Ubuntu Foundation released its third version of the popular GNU/Linux operating system distribution yesterday. Codenamed "Breezy Badger", the release improves on its predecessor, Hoary Hedgehog, with updated versions of packages such as OpenOffice.org, new computer management tools, special installation modes for computer manufacturers, and a "thin client" mode for large networks of homogenous computers. The new version also improves support for laptop computers, portable media players, Bluetooth devices, PowerPC processors, and other hardware.

Because the software in the GNU/Linux operating system comes with permission for everyone to modify and redistribute it, there are many versions (called "distributions") of the operating system available. Ubuntu builds on the popular Debian GNU/Linux distribution. Like Debian, it is made almost entirely of free software.

Users quickly swarmed the Ubuntu Foundation's servers trying to download the new version. The servers are currently responding slowly; moderators at the Ubuntu Forums suggested that users download with BitTorrent if at all possible, which is much less prone to such slowdowns.

Although its first release was only a year ago, Ubuntu Linux has quickly become one of the most popular Linux distributions. It is intended to be user-friendly without being insecure by design, a charge sometimes leveled against other beginner-friendly distributions like Linspire. The distribution is offered for free, and CDs are available for order via the Internet without charge (including shipping).


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Neolithic noodles found in Qinghai, China

October 14, 2005

Chinese archaeologists at the Lajia Ruins in the Qinghai province of China have discovered well-preserved millet noodles dating back to the neolithic age. The 4,000-year-old noodles were found underneath an upturned bowl that had been buried in three meters of sediment, consisting of brownish-yellow clay. The sediment is thought to have been caused by a devastating flood of the upper Mekong.

This discovery significantly reframes the debate over which people first made noodles, establishing Chinese culture—at least for now—as the most likely candidate for having originally developed the idea of making noodles. Previously, Italian, Chinese, and Arab cultures have all been claimed as the originator of noodles. Prior to this discovery, the oldest record of noodles existing in China were from 1900-year-old recipes.

The Lajia Ruins are of a central Qijia settlement, which has been the site of other significant discoveries, such as the largest stone chime ever found in China, and the largest and most intact prehistoric oven found in Northwestern China. The site has also been significant to researchers studying the impact of natural disasters on ancient civilizations—it was the site of a cataclysmic flood, and at least one major earthquake.


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Bush has a rehearsed tele-conference with US troops in Iraq

October 14, 2005 The live presidential video teleconference held Thursday by George Bush with U.S. troops stationed in Iraq drew fire from critics and even some Pentagon military leaders. Pentagon officials defended the teleconference, saying that the soldiers stated their own opinions.

An on-camera shot before the teleconference went live showed Allison Barber, the deputy assistant defense secretary, coaching 10 soldiers on broad topics to which the president would want questions directed; then rehearsed their actions on camera and reminded them of what questions were assigned to each soldier.

"OK, so let's just walk through this," Barber said. "Captain Kennedy, you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?"

"Captain Smith," Kennedy said.

"Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?" she asked.

"Captain Kennedy," the soldier replied.

Later on in the discussion:

"If the question comes up about partnering — how often do we train with the Iraqi military — who does he go to?" Barber asked.

"That's going to go to Captain Pratt," one of the soldiers said.

During the live conference, when asked about Iraq's preparations for their constitutional referendum, Gregg Murphy of  said: "Sir, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to make this thing a success. ... Back in January, when we were preparing for that election, we had to lead the way. We set up the coordination, we made the plan. We're really happy to see, during the preparation for this one, sir, they're doing everything."

When asked about Iraq's training of security forces, Corine Lombardo from, N.Y., a  officer at the 42nd Infantry Division HQ, said to Bush: "I can tell you over the past 10 months, we've seen a tremendous increase in the capabilities and the confidences of our Iraqi security force partners. ... Over the next month, we anticipate seeing at least one-third of those Iraqi forces conducting independent operations."

The event was coordinated with the Department of Defense, according to White House press secretary Scott McClellan. "I think all they were doing was talking to the troops and letting them know what to expect," he said. He also said that the troops were expressing their own thoughts. With satellite feeds, coordination often is needed to overcome technological challenges, such as delays, he said.

Later, Pentagon officials denied that the conference was staged. Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said "On behalf of these fine young men and women, we certainly regret any perception that they were told what to say. It is not the case," adding that "The soldiers were advised as to the issues they should expect to discuss, and decided among themselves who would speak to each issue as it may arise."

The director of, a -based advocacy group for U.S. veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, described the event as a "carefully scripted publicity stunt".

"If he wants the real opinions of the troops, he can't do it in a nationally televised teleconference," Paul Rieckhoff said. "He needs to be talking to the boots on the ground and that's not a bunch of captains."

Sgt Ron Long, one of the troops interviewed, denied that it was scripted on his blog, writing "First of all, we were told that we would be speaking with the President of the United States, our Commander-in-Chief, President Bush, so I believe that it would have been totally irresponsible for us NOT to prepare some ideas, facts or comments that we wanted to share with the President.

"We were given an idea as to what topics he may discuss with us, but it's the President of the United States; He will choose which way his conversation with us may go.

"We practiced passing the microphone around to one another, so we wouldn't choke someone on live TV. We had an idea as to who we thought should answer what types of questions, unless President Bush called on one of us specifically."


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Snakehead fish appear in large numbers near Potomac River

October 14, 2005

A predatory non-native fish species known as the Northern Snakehead, discovered 3 years ago in waters east of the Chesapeake Bay, were caught in quantities numbering into the 80’s on a small feeder creek of the Potomac River earlier this week. The numbers were enough to convince some biologists that the species is here to stay, and to echo concerns over what the voracious fish will do to the natural balance of the water’s ecosystem.

The fish were first reported by a week-end fisherman on the rain swollen Dogue Creek. An investigation by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources on Monday led to driving the fish up the normally small creek to where they were captured by large dip nets. From their appearance in televised coverage, they ranged in length from 6 to 8 inches.

Previous to this recent snakehead finding, those caught along Potomac River were not genetically descendent from the species that caused a media stir in 2002, when the fish was first discovered and gained notoriety. That discovery led to the draining of an entire pond in an effort to eradicate its habitat near Crofton, Maryland. The slight genetic differences between the Crofton fish and those of the Potomac lends hope to the belief the Potomac fish were just another instance of their being released into the wild, and not an indication of a rapid spawning and population growth of their species.

Little is known about the toothy fish other than it is considered a top-level predator from its native region of China, and that catches of it have been reported in lengths exceeding 20 inches on the Potomac (.pdf map) below Washington D.C.. Whether the fish has any natural predators within its new environs is unknown. While it is believed to be a fresh water fish, it may find the brackish water of the Chesapeake Bay tolerable, as do many other fresh water fish of the region. Sportsman are advised to kill the fish, and not simply “bank” it, because the species, capable of living out of water for several days and crawling using its fins to propel it, is dubbed the ‘Frankenfish’ after Dr. Frankenstein's monster for this survival trait. Notify the Department of Natural Resources of any encounter with it.


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Talk:Snakehead fish appear in large numbers near Potomac River

Dear lord. Is there a tag to warn users that a story may give them nightmares? That thing is going to haunt my dreams. Good story though. --Wolfrider 03:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Incredibly, when the 'Frankenfish' began making headlines in 2002, a fishing friend of mine from Baltimore, Maryland rumaged an old shoe box of pictures containing one of him when he was barely a teenager, taken some 30 years ago . He was then holding up a proud catch of 2 fish. As difficult as it was for me or others to be absolutely certain by the old photo, our concensus was they were indeed Snakeheads, and a local news broadcaster agreed. Bob declared during the resulting news broadcast that the species should be known as "Return of the Frankenfish"! lol, the saying didn't take hold.

 * At the time his Dad made him throw the fish away, but Bob said anything else he caught "bigger than a butter bean" they ate. -Edbrown05 05:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)