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Disneyland marks 50th anniversary

May 8, 2005 The American theme park Disneyland celebrated its golden anniversary on Thursday, in Anaheim, California.

The theme park, created and opened by Walt Disney in 1955, hosted a special gala opening at 1pm in front of Sleeping Beauty Castle, the world-famous icon of Disneyland.

CEO of the Walt Disney Company Michael Eisner, COO Bob Iger, honorary Disneyland Ambassador Julie Andrews and a host of stars opened the celebration, which is scheduled to run for eighteen months.

Singers Christina Aguilera and LeAnn Rimes sang Disney classics, while actors Tim Allen and Steve Martin opened new attractions. Martin had worked at Disneyland as a teenager, and Aguilera was part of the Mickey Mouse Club in the 1980s.

Within California, Disney is calling it the Happiest Homecoming on Earth, and worldwide it is known as the Happiest Celebration on Earth. Several attractions have been swapped between parks, and the four main Disney theme parks (the Magic Kingdom, Tokyo Disneyland, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland) gave a salute to Disneyland via live satellite feed.

The ceremony was hit with deep purple stormclouds but no rain.

The park celebrates its actual birthday on July 17, 2005. There are no clear details on how Disney will mark the occasion.

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Henin-Hardenne stops Sharapova
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North Carolina church kicks out Democrats

May 7, 2005

Members of a Waynesville, North Carolina Baptist church voted to kick out nine members, including a deacon, who disagreed with the political views of its main pastor, Chan Chandler.

In a special meeting Monday night, Chandler asked congregants of the East Waynesville Baptist Church who voted for John Kerry in the last U.S. presidential election to either repent that action or leave the room. Afterward he called for a vote to remove the nine people who left the meeting from the church's membership. All but two remaining members attending the meeting voted to remove the nine dissenters.

Later 40 additional church members, who had not attended the Monday meeting, resigned from the church in protest of Chandler's action.

According to the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina in an interview with the Asheville Citizen-Times, the local newspaper, each church has local bylaws and East Waynesville may have had authority to do such a purge if the bylaws allowed for it.

Even so, according to reports by the Associated Press, the North Carolina Democratic Party claims Chandler may be endangering his church's tax-free status. U.S. laws prohibit charities, including churches, from taking sides in the political arena.

A loss of tax-free status would bar congregants of the church from writing off tithes as charitable contributions on their income tax statements. Additionally, the church may have to pay taxes on the money it receives from the collection plate.


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Template talk:Election scorecard

Name
I suggest that this be moved to a better, less generic, name. Template:UK 2005 General Election scorecard, perhaps. Or perhaps better yet, Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election/scorecard. Uncle G 19:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * The numbers should be static enough now to just copy them into the final results and delete the template. Steinsky 17:18, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I have subst'ed the template into the two articles it was used in, as the results should only ever need editing once more (when Staffordshire South is declared at the end of June), so the template is now redundant and can probably be deleted. Steinsky 16:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

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Mars rover engineers build test sandbox

May 8, 2005

Mars rover engineers have built a test bed simulating the condition of the Mars Rover Opportunity, which became stuck in a Martian sand dune on April 26. The test bed uses a combination of materials including play sand for children's sandboxes, diatomaceous earth for swimming pool filters, and mortar clay powder.

Opportunity dug into soft sand to wheel-hub depth as it drove over a dune about one-third meter (one foot) tall and 2.5 meters (8 feet) wide. "We've climbed over dozens of ripples, but this one is different in that it seems to be a little taller and to have a steeper slope, about 15 degrees on part of its face," said Mark Maimone, a Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) rover mobility engineer. Tests will be conducted using an Earth-bound twin of the rover and the simulated Martian dune to determine how to best maneuver Opportunity out of the predicament before transmitting commands to the actual vehicle. "We choose to proceed cautiously, so we don't expect to begin actually driving out of the dune before next week, possibly later," said Jim Erickson, rover project manager at JPL. "Both Opportunity and Spirit have already provided many more months of scientific exploration than anyone expected. By taking good care of them, we hope to keep them exploring for more months to come. Tests so far have sustained our optimism about Opportunity's ability to drive out of this dune, but we have more testing ahead to understand how robust that capability is."

Engineers constructed a simulated dune last week using sand that was already at JPL's rover testing facility and put a test rover into a similar dug-in position. The test rover had no difficulty driving away, even when sunk belly-deep. However, that sand offered better traction than the finer, looser material that appears to make up the surface at Opportunity's current position. "We needed to do tests using material more like what Opportunity is in, something that has a fluffier texture and cakes onto the wheels," said JPL rover engineer Rick Welch, who is leading the tests.

Based on images of wheels and wheel tracks from Mars, Dr. Robert Sullivan of Cornell University, a rover science team member, working with engineers in the JPL test bed, helped match the properties of the test sand as closely as possible with those of the sand beneath Opportunity, "We found that when the wheels dig in, the material we're using does stick to the wheels and fills the gaps between the cleats, but it doesn't stick when you're just driving over it. That's good because it's the same as what we see in the images from Opportunity," Sullivan said. Experiments show that the test rover, after some initial wheel-spinning, can drive out of the more powdery material.

The team went to several home supply and hardware stores to find enough bags and boxes of the ingredients to make more than 2 tons of the simulated Mars sand for the more realistic mobility tests, according to JPL rover mobility engineer Jeff Biesiadeckia.

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Talk:20-horse field for Derby dash

My money on Bandini to win! -Edbrown05 19:48, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Race Results
win: #10 Giacomo place: #18 Closing Argument show: #12 Afleet Alex 4th: #17 Don't Get Mad -Edbrown05 23:15, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

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Anti-Bush protest in Amsterdam

May 8, 2005 Protesters gathered in Amsterdam, Maastricht, and several other cities in The Netherlands to protest a visit by the United States President, George W. Bush. As many as 2,000 people gathered in Amsterdam's Museum Square, voicing their discontent with the war in Iraq.

Many protesters consider Bush personally responsible for the torture in Abu Ghraib prison and human rights violations in Guantanamo Bay. Their arguments are based on documentary evidence such as the FBI email showing that Bush directly ordered what might be described as torture (hoods, sleep deprivation). A large number of protesters carried signs that read "George W. Bush: Warcriminal." More than 150 people attended a demonstration in Maastricht, many going to Beek Airport to give Bush an unpleasant and noisy welcome.

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Talk:Disneyland marks 50th anniversary

I just read the three sources. The last paragraph is still not sourced. Pingswept 21:36, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I just read the added source, disney.com. It does not contain the information in the last paragraph, so I added the tag. Pingswept 02:25, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Typo
editprotected 'honourary' => 'honorary' ('honourary' is always incorrect, even in British English) Van der Hoorn (talk) 13:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

 * ✅ ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 02:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Google suffers DNS outage

May 8, 2005 Access to Google, including its other projects, was abruptly interrupted late Saturday when a DNS outage caused the search engine giant to be unreachable by the domain Google.com. Google Labs and Google Maps, as well as products of Google such as the blogging service Blogger and free photo-album software Picasa, were unaffected. Google.com and its subdomains were once again functioning as of 0100 UTC.

During the brief outage, some browsers were redirected to SoGoSearch. The site http://www.google.com.net has a link to Gigantics, and normally redirects to SoGoSearch. This is probably a procedure that specific browsers implement when they cannot find the proper address. Others were also reported to be redirected to Microsoft's MSN Search.

Barbobot reports the DNS may have been stolen for a short time.

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User talk:Azkabaz

Thank you for your vandalism. Yes, we have your IP. - Amgine/talk 23:36, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Google suffers DNS outage

Great going folks!
I'm impressed with how quick this was up! Let's keep it rolling... - Amgine/talk 00:32, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

MSN Search
Can someone please add MSN Search (http://search.msn.com) as an external link because it is protected? --Thorpe89 16:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

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See w:User:Luigi30.

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Wikinews:2005/May/8

 * Satellite imagery shows viewing stand for North Korean nuclear test
 * VE Day 60th anniversary commemorated across Europe & USA
 * New Zealand recalls squid boats
 * UUP leader loses seat in 2005 UK General Election
 * Bus drivers strike for six days in Auckland
 * British supermarket Tesco wants to start a film downloading service
 * Google suffers DNS outage
 * Mars rover engineers build test sandbox
 * Anti-Bush protest in Amsterdam
 * Disneyland marks 50th anniversary

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Wikinews is a very interesting and excellent project.

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Talk:UUP leader loses seat in 2005 UK General Election

How do I change the title on this article? UUP is an abbreviation that most people will not know. I'd prefer to see the article titled "Ulster Unionist Party leader unseated in UK General Election". Brianmc (talk)
 * Help:Renaming (moving) a page. Don't forget to hit the "what links here" button afterwards and fix up any redirects. Note, however, two things:
 * We usually get away with political party name abbreviations.  "2005 UK General Election" is usually enough context for readers to figure out what "UUP" may be, even if they cannot work out the exact name.  And hence:
 * Don't omit "2005" from the title. Wikinews headlines eventually become permanent, and this is not the only UK General Election that there's ever going to be.
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VE Day 60th anniversary commemorated across Europe & USA

May 8, 2005

The 60th anniversary of has been commemorated Sunday across Europe and the.

 * In Germany:  and   attended a service at the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in  and a wreath-laying ceremony at the main Soviet war memorial.  VE Day is commemorated as Democracy Day in Germany, as Germans consider it to be the day when they, too, were liberated from.
 * In the United Kingdom:
 * , wearing his uniform of in the, laid a commemorative wreath at the Cenotaph.   is scheduled to attend the main commemorative ceremony to be held on July 10, 2005.
 * At 19:00 UTC a Dakota DC3, from the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight based at RAF Coningsby, flew over the Palace of Westminster, Whitehall, and Trafalgar Square to mark the beginning of a televised BBC VE Day concert.
 * In France: Jacques Chirac laid a memorial wreath at the  at the.
 * In the Netherlands:  and Queen  attended a memorial ceremony at a United States military cemetery near, where the  was sounded.
 * In :  gave a controversial speech at a commemorative celebration of victory over fascism in, starting with "Comrades, ladies and gentlemen." He said that , a World War Two Croatian state, was "founded on crime" and is "a discrace and an insult to Croats." The role of  and  during the World War Two is still a point of debate in Croatia.
 * In the United States: Former Sen. spoke during a Sunday ceremony commemorating the anniversary of allied victory in Europe, May 8, 1945. The ceremony was held near the  in.

The 60th anniversary of is scheduled to be celebrated in, and other successor states of the , on May 9, 2005.


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Ex-ambassador comes fifth in election in UK Foreign Secretary's seat whilst trying to highlight alleged torture in Uzbekistan

May 9, 2005

In the recent UK general election, stood as candidate against  in the  constituency. Murray was attempting to bring about public debate and public knowledge of Straw's alleged complicity in Uzbek torture. Straw retained his seat with 17,562 votes (42%), while Murray came fifth with 2,082 votes (5%).

Craig Murray was British Ambassador to in 2002 and 2003. A career diplomat, Murray had a good record of success behind him, but was withdrawn from Uzbekistan after he publicly decried the widespread use of torture in that country. He was quoted in the  as claiming the used intelligence gained by the Uzbek authorities by torture.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) stated at the time that "It's now felt it's no longer possible Mr. Murray can do his job effectively so he's been withdrawn." Mr. Murray was receiving medical treatment at the time for on-going ill health, including a near-fatal pulmonary embolism. He had previously been flown to London after collapsing during a medical check in Uzbekistan.

Craig Murray's campaign website says, "A vote for Jack Straw is a vote for torture. Jack Straw expressly agreed that MI6 should use intelligence material obtained under torture, in tyrannical regimes like Uzbekistan."

Two months before the UK election premiered the program "Torture:The Dirty Business" which showed that the Uzbekistan government routinely uses torture to interrogate prisoners. It showed that CIA had sent prisoners to that country to be tortured in a procedure known as.

The program alleged that UK's received information obtained by torture. The FCO released a statement to the program claiming that they would never do anything to encourage torture, but that it would be "irresponsible" to rule out the use of any information received from a foreign government if such information could help protect British citizens. In the same program Craig Murray stated that after he raised objections to the use of information extracted under torture, his superiors informed him that Jack Straw had personally authorised the policy.

According to the program, confessions from tortured prisoners that suggested a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda could have contributed towards the case built by the government for going to war in Iraq. Information extracted under torture is known to be unreliable because prisoners can be coerced to say anything.

Craig Murray's Blackburn campaign received widespread media attention around the world, although coverage was more limited in the UK (see below for links to some articles covering the Craig Murray campaign).


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Talk:Ex-ambassador comes fifth in election in UK Foreign Secretary's seat whilst trying to highlight alleged torture in Uzbekistan

Once more, not news
I refer to What Wikinews is. As you can read, we only report events. Things that haven't happened are not appropiate subject matter for Wikinews. Get a blog. Dan100 (Talk) 16:53, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I feel that the source materials and relevancy of this article ,given the narrow re-election in the U.K. of the Blair government, makes this story significant ,and it should be tested by other additional information, that could be submitted, as a result of this initial article. - Unsigned comment from User:138.89.170.2

The absence of an event occurring can sometimes be newsworthy. If the government can reasonably be expected to respond to these allegations, and they haven't, then it is in the public interest that this absence be reported. The article could (should) possibly be rewritten to focus on the candidate in Jack Straw's seat, with the stuff about the documentary as background information. - Borofkin 02:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Strong support for this article as is! That's 3-1. Also, an apology for the "get a blog" insult should be offered, in my opinion. - Paulrevere2005 04:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course this is news. The article mentions a number of events surrounding the absence of something, but also events that are newsworthy on their own. Removing associated tag if present. - Simeon 04:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

This is in no way news. As I pointed out, this story does not meet Wikinews policy. Dan100 (Talk) 09:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * After looking at Jpbrenna's comments below, and looking at the revisions of the article and moving it, the article does now centre on a reportable event. Dan100 (Talk) 10:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Please remove the dispute tags.
Paulrevere2005 04:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I support the removal of the "not news" tag, but I have no position on the POV tag. I haven't had time to look at the sources, but it seems a bit one sided to me. The Chris Murray Wikipedia article has lots of information on the POV that Murray's dismissal was legitimate. Where is that side of the debate in this article? - Borofkin 04:44, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I've put it in Dan100 (Talk) 10:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
This article is biased and does not address a single event. There are several possible stories here, but no one of them is developed: Craig Murray's campaign and election loss, the reports of abuse and torture in Uzebekestan, or the British government's alleged complicity in Uzbekestan's use of torture/alleged use of information derived from torture to support the invasion of Iraq.

In developing this article, do not rely overly on sources which might be viewed as dubious or biased without also presenting sources which might be viewed as dubious or biased for the opposing POV. It is always better to avoid questionable sources entirely.Q - Amgine/talk 04:46, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It's quite clear to me in reading the story that the 'event' is the campaign by candidate X and the media's lack of coverage. Other information given is background. While the story could be improved with respect to attributing to sources, and optimising the news style presentation, I see no major POV problem. It doesn't seem as if the author has presented the information in a biased way, or deliberately obfuscated facts, but rather that they have not rigorously attributed, and I think this story is short enough, and easy enough to verify, that this is a matter of choice. Certainly readers are permitted to further refine the story. - Simeon 04:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * "in an attempt to bring about public debate and public knowledge of Straw's complicity in Uzbek CIA torture"
 * Ascribed motive for Craig Murray's candidacy
 * States Straw was complicit as a fact
 * States Uzbekistan engages in torture
 * States Uzbekistan does so for the US CIA
 * And this is just a single sentence. This is a biased article in my opinion, but very able to be improved. - Amgine/talk 05:02, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

This article is still extremely biased. It has to meet the standards of Neutral point of view before it can be published. Dan100 (Talk) 09:47, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Which I have now done Dan100 (Talk) 10:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Headline Word Choice
It's not really a "scandal" until it starts making waves, right? And the article is reporting that so far, it hasn't. According to the author, major media in Britain haven't picked it up, and Tony Blair got re-elected, and no one seems to remember the program except our intrepid reporter. So it should say "Silence Over Alleged Tortue" or "Re-elected Labour Government Silent Over Torture Allegations: Potential Scandal Brewing?" If the story proves to be something big and more shocking confirmation of the allegations comes out (Abu Ghraib-style photos etc.) then we can report on that and call it a "scandal."--Jpbrenna 05:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed the headline to reflect the thrust of the story Dan100 (Talk) 10:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Current article
I was one of the editors not particulary happy with this article. With the new changes by Dan, I'm about neutral. The language is still a bit raw, with some POV, but not horrible. --Lyellin 13:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd like to congratulate the contributors to this article; this is the poster-child of recovering a problematic article to a really good article! - Amgine/talk 17:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Edit request - disambiguation
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Please disambiguate the foreign office link to Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I've w-ized the article. Don't see anything else that needs doing, re that link. --Pi zero (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Foreign Office is a disambiguation page, and the link should be pointing to Foreign and Commonwealth Office, which is the UK's foreign office (as opposed to the German foreign office) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I see it. Yes.  It's treated as a shorthand for the previously referenced office, but the wikilink can't know that without being explicitly wired that way — and the previous reference to the office came with an explictly defined abbreviation, which was never used.  So I've chosen to replace the second reference with the defined abbreviation, treating it similarly to a typo that doesn't actually change the meaning. --Pi zero (talk) 22:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


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Satellite imagery shows viewing stand for North Korean nuclear test

May 8, 2005

According to American and foreign officials, White House and Pentagon officials are closely monitoring of North Korea, also known as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). Preparations seem to be made for testing a nuclear weapon, including the construction of a reviewing stand, most likely for scientists or North Korean officials. It would be the first test of a nuclear weapon by North Korea.

United States officials warned that the intentions of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il are unknown, and the constructions may turn out to be a show. The extent of North Korea's nuclear capabilities are still unknown. According to the U.S. government agency CIA, North Korea may have one or two primitive nuclear bombs. According to the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, North Korea may possess the material and equipment to manufacture up to six nuclear warheads. North Korea's neighbours, however, have been thorougly briefed on the implications of a nuclear weapons test by North Korea.

North Korea is among the 188 countries to have signed the, although they have later withdrawn again. This treaty states that only the United States, Russia, the People's Republic of China, France, and the United Kingdom are allowed to have nuclear weapons. Kim Duk Hong, one of the regime's most senior defectors, says that North Korea resumed the development of its nuclear weapon program as soon as the treaty was signed. Kim also stated that North Korea gained much of its expertise from Pakistan, and that only the death of Kim Jong Il and the destruction of his regime will stop North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

In October 2002, U.S. sources stated that during a visit by Assistant Secretary of State, North Korea admitted to running a clandestine nuclear weapons program. This was widely seen as a violation of both the and the 1994, which were signed during the  administration. North Korean officials stated that the reactivation of their weapon of mass destruction program was in response to "imperialist threats" (presumably by the United States). The United States proceeded to stop shipments of fuel oil under the.

In late December 2002 North Korea drove weapons inspectors out of the country, announcing plans to reactivate a dormant nuclear fuel processing laboratory and power plant north of Pyongyang, if the United States did not agree to a non invasion pact. This nuclear reactor is thought by U.S. officials to be the source for for two previously produced atomic bombs.


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Talk:Main Page/Archive 5

Time to move the Index back up the page?
Now they're using DynamicPageLists, the region/topic sub-pages update themselves automatically. This makes them much more useful than in the past, when many were out-of-date as no editors were interested in keeping up to speed.

I think we should now move the FronPageSubjectIndex box back above the second and third leads on the Main Page, so readers can access the sub-pages much more easily. Ironically, the box always used to be there when many of the pages were in disrepair. Now they're all shiny and great, the index box is buried... Dan100 (Talk) 09:12, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's a (rather rough) idea of what it could look like: User:Dan100/Main_Page_sandbox. Yeah, I got rid of the second and third leads, but they take up a lot of room and are often out-of-date :(. Minus them, we can have bits like Latest News and Weather (more useful, imo) higher up the page. Dan100 (Talk) 09:30, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * You know me at this stage Dan... i've been waiting for so long to get my beloved index back up to a prominent position! But I don't agree with removing the 2nd and 3rd lead. Can you offer a comproimise to maybe include 2 leads and the index? → CGorman (Talk)  12:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * My two cents: I like it but agree having three lead stories is nice. Could you put 2nd lead under the 1st and the 3rd either under the index or between welcome and index. The index could also include links to Weather and Stock Market.  Is it really desirable to have the other languages box at the bottom when those links are already in the side bar?   Double  Blue  (Talk) 20:52, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I give you User:Dan100/Main Page sandbox 2 and User:Dan100/Main Page sandbox 3! Sandbox 3 is my preference as it uses page space more efficently. Obviously neither could be used as real Main Pages in their current state, the coding of either the right-hand coloumn boxes or the page itself needs sorting out so it all renders properly, but you get the idea of the general layout. Dan100 (Talk) 09:51, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * PS anyone, please feel free to edit my sandboxes to fix the rendering! Dan100 (Talk) 10:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I know you've put a lot of work and thought into this, but im still unhappy with the alternatives - both 2&3 push the vital latest news section too far down the page. → CGorman (Talk)  20:10, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a real juggling act! That's half the reason why I originally dropped the second and third leads - it's a real challenge to get everything in.
 * What may well be the simplest and most effective fix might be just to move the Index box to the top of the existing Main Page's right-hand column, and have 2nd and 3rd a bit lower down. Dan100 (Talk) 20:50, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Consider also DoubleBlue/Sandbox, which has a narrower 3rd column allowing Latest news to be higher up. Dan100 (Talk) 20:53, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I like DoubleBlues one quite a lot, however there seems to be a lot of whitespace... maybe its the absence of any straight lines or boxes. But its certainly intesting, anyone else wish to comment? → CGorman (Talk)  20:19, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Put it on the Main Page, C. That'll make people comment ;) Dan100 (Talk) 21:01, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It needs significant prettying up. I just played with it enough to see what it would look like with a narrower 3rd column.  I'm not really familiar with the wikicode to format it properly.  Also the Market Data could be put in there if it was narrower (i.e., take out the description column and shorten the date format).   Double  Blue  (Talk) 22:03, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I kind of like Amgine/Sandbox3 with the categories and "Today's news". Double Blue  (Talk) 21:08, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I would like some comments on my own attempt at it: User:Redge/Sandbox 1 based on Amgine's design. -- Redge (Talk) 16:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redge, that looks great! I have a couple a problem, however (that can be resolved). The Stock Market box always breaks out of the right column for me, leaving me with a scroll bar. I can look to see what can be done about that. The three-column look is one I hadn't thought of... very glad to see an implmentation! - Amgine 16:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Now thats by far the best option given so far. If the scroll bar problem can be fixed it would be perfect. Can you try it with a few colour variations just to see what they look like? → CGorman (Talk)  20:22, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * One problem I see is that it offers no links to the region pages - only the subject pages via the headers above each DPL. It also lacks the small menu we have below 'Welcome to...', though I'm sure that would be trivial to add. But I do still think there's a place for Latest news on the main page, rather than DPLs - it's so easy just to check to see what's new on the site when you come back after a bit. Remember DPLs are far from perfect too - if someone edits a weeks-old article, it will go straight to the top of the list as if it's brand new! Dan100 (Talk) 10:11, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if you check the code, you'll find that latest news is the only header on that page not to use DPL, but the Wikinews:(Date) latest news template. I haven't found anything that would cause the stock box to snap out of the column, but I'm sure we can work that out. For some color variations, try User:Redge/Sandbox 1/Pink, User:Redge/Sandbox 1/Green, User:Redge/Sandbox 1/Blue and User:Redge/Sandbox 1/Yellow, or make your own theme. I've customized the first version to my own needs. And I'll see if I can work the region headers in. -- Redge (Talk) 16:09, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Region headers are now in there. The only drawback to my page (besides the stock market box acting up) is the fact that only the present day is displayed. I´ve created an extended version which displayes all the headlines the current Main Page does, and filled the right column up with some background info. The result is a rather lenghthy but very complete Sandbox 2. -- Redge (Talk) 18:05, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lead texts too long?
I think our Main Page leads are too wordy, so I'm just trying much shorter texts on them (generally just one sentence). I think it works rather well. Dan100 (Talk) 21:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * My sandbox 3 (above) also seems to work better with shorter leads - Latest news is a bit higher up. Dan100 (Talk) 21:05, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * My first attempt doesn't seem to be affected by Lead length. In fact, a longer lead article fits in well. -- Redge (Talk) 16:22, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Column: Where to put it?
I have a science and technology column that I've put in my namespace until I know what to do with it (and until I know if people like it). I'd like to get more publicity to it. How do you think we can get columns such as that to the public eye? Can it be placed on the Index (a Columns category) or do you think it fits under the Science and Technology category instead? I hope you like the column too. Cap'n Refsmmat 00:22, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Redge/Sandbox 2

I noticed a couple weeks back your test work on the main page. My overall impression then, as now, is that it is very crisp up top, I like that a lot. I also very much like the way you incorporate the topics, it makes for easy navigation and shows the full width of news covered here.

I do not think more than 2 days of headlines are necessary.

Overall, I hope to see it implemented in some form. Good stuff! -Edbrown05 21:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. -- Redge (Talk) 08:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I like this one a lot myself. Very much in fact. Jason Safoutin 20:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Me too, but its to wide in my browser (may be monobook). Using Firefox 1.5.0.1 Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 20:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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Long shots dashed hopes of favorites in Derby race

May 9, 2005

Saturday's running of the Kentucky Derby left favorites in dry churned up dust, as speedster Spanish Chestnut forced an early pace that only long-shot horses fully answered. The two top finishers, Giacomo and Closing Argument ran past race favorites Bellamy Road and hopeful Bandini, who came off the starting gate well and into the first turn. But they faded under a blistering early pace that at the half-mile pole was second fastest in race history.

Only Afleet Alex, showing at third, applied salve to the wounded crowd of 154,000 ticket-tearing fans. Betting for this year's race totaled a record $103.3 million counting both on- and off-track wagering. A 2 dollar wager on the winning horse Giacomo paid $102.60.

TV viewership in top metropolitan markets was down only slightly from the previous year, which considering the wagering shows no lack of interest in the race:

 * Win: Giacomo $102.60
 * Place: Closing Argument: $45.80
 * Show: Afleet Alex: $19.80

Related news

 * (Pre-race day odds chart)


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Talk:Satellite imagery shows viewing stand for North Korean nuclear test

I hope no-one minds me moving this article, I just hate slang! Dan100 (Talk) 21:50, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Great illustration/article. Amazing how the US government says the N Korea activity might be "just a show" and how the same government said the Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" activity was so serious its cost 100,000 lives so far. Even more amazing that some of us believe anything they have to say. Paulrevere2005 13:02, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The User:68.154.34.214 edit was funny as all get out! Of course it had to be reverted. -Edbrown05 19:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Nonproliferation treaty
I believe you'll find North Korea withdrew from the Nonproliferation treaty at the beginning of the current nuclear talks stand-off with the US. Therefore they are not a current signatory, and are not bound by the treaty. - Amgine/talk 17:58, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a few words to reflect this. Greater detail would be appreciated. -- Redge (Talk) 18:30, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


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User:Alan J Franklin

No further use planned. --HiFlyer 15:03, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

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Wikinews:Custom skin/Latest code

This page contains the most recent code from the Wikinews skin currently entered in the Wikinews design contest. Please note that much of the code is still not optimized and contains a lot of unneeded content. The skin is currently done with tables (not CSS, which I am working to revise it into) as the images were originally exported from Photoshop.

 * I have tried to update this somewhat as noclips version didn't work for me. Unfortunatly i never actually saw what his final product looked like, so it might be slightly(or a lot) different. The original is available in the history. please note there are still issues needing to be worked out with this. All paths are relative to wherever you installed mediawiki (perhaps, or something along those lines) Bawolff ☺☻ 02:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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This will allow me to make changes in the skin, so that you won't have to manually update it in your monobook.css.

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Romanian Humanist Party changes name to Conservative Party

May 9, 2005

The Romanian Humanist Party has voted to change its name to the Conservative Party (Partidul Conservator, or PC). During its congress, a resolution was also passed for the party to join the European People's Party-European Democrats group in the European Parliament.

Dan Voiculescu suggested the change of name, blaming the party's moderate doctrine for its poor election results. Voiculescu said he studied several political doctrines and has found that the Humanist ideology has much in common with the Conservative ideology, including an emphasis on free market economics as a key means of achieving social welfare. Other elements of the Conservative Party's ideology include a reduction in state intervention in the economy and private property, as well as the importance of traditional values such as the family, army and church, and national values and ethics. The party's new slogan is "Make a stand, Romanian!"

The Conservative Party is currently part of the Justice and Truth governing coalition, even though it is generally regarded as the most controversial party in the coalition. This is because its policies and stance on key issues are generally against that of the other coalition parties, especially the National Liberal Party and the Democratic Party. For example, the Humanist Party was the only party in the governing coalition to call for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, and it has been accused of allying with whatever party is in power, regardless of its ideology.

Prime Minister Călin Popescu-Tăriceanu, from the Liberal Party, attended the congress. He said to the Conservatives that they should treat sensitive issues such as the situation in Iraq with more responsibility and diplomacy inside the governing coalition, in order to not give the impression of "dysfunction".

The Humanists' name change is the third change of name by a Romanian party this year. The Christian-Democratic National Peasants' Party has changed its name to the Christian-Democratic People's Party, and the Great Romania Party has changed its name to the Popular Great Romania Party.


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Wikinews:2005/May/9

 * Grafton, New York Peace Pagoda celebrates birth of Buddha with Flower Festival
 * 75 Iraqi militants reported dead in U.S. offensive
 * US VX nerve gas disposal test a success
 * Victory Day 60th anniversary commemorated in Russia
 * Ex-ambassador comes fifth in election in UK Foreign Secretary's seat whilst trying to highlight alleged torture in Uzbekistan
 * Nuclear waste leaks at Sellafield facility on Cumbrian coast, England
 * Long shots dashed hopes of favorites in Derby race
 * Romanian Humanist Party changes name to Conservative Party

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User:Borofkin

I live in Sydney, and do a bit of original reporting when the mood strikes me.

If you are interested in doing original reporting in Sydney, leave a message on my talk page. Tasks involved include:

 * Going along to events and taking photos
 * Going along to events and taking notes, recording audio, interviewing people
 * Conducting interviews over the phone
 * Conducting interviews via email
 * Finding press releases

Original reporting doesn't need to take up a lot of time. If you ring up someone who is involved in a particular news event, such as a protest organiser or local MP, ask them a question, and then quote them in an article, you are doing original reporting, and enriching Wikinews in the process.

Here are some examples of local original reporting:

 * Sydney prepares for Forbes Conference and 30A protest
 * Carnival style protest held in Sydney
 * Sydney train doors stuck, passengers delayed
 * Australian opposition minister gives speech on poverty
 * Sydney residents protest anti-terror laws

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A leak at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing facility on Cumbrian coast, England

May 9, 2005

At the reprocessing plant, a leak in the process was spotted on April 19. The leak did not cause danger to people or the environment but it disturbed the normal operation of the plant.

Workers at the plant noticed a discrepancy in the amount of material being reprocessed that enters pipes that lead to a set of centrifuges and the amount of material actually arriving at the centrifuges. They used remote cameras to find the crack where the material was escaping; over twenty tonnes have leaked into a steel lined chamber.

The material, consisting of mostly uranium and some plutonium dissolved in nitric acid, would have been reprocessed in the centrifuges. The large stainless steel chamber that now contains the spilled material is too dangerous to enter due to radioactivity, though it poses no danger to those inside or outside the plant.

The plant has been shut down pending repairs.

Background
The Thermal Oxide Reprocessing Plant, or THORP, recycles spent nuclear fuel from British and  reactors. (Another plant reprocesses fuel from Britain's older reactors). Nuclear fuel reprocessing recycles spent nuclear fuel, greatly reducing the amount of waste. The process is technically complicated and there is a political debate on its safety. Since the price of nuclear fuel is presently low, fuel produced by THORP has had problems competing in the market. Furthermore THORP has encountered some technical problems lately. There is discussion whether THORP should be allowed to continue in operation.

Sellafield is also the site of, amongst other things, a decommissioned. Previously the site has also been the scene of the 1957, the most severe nuclear accident on British soil.

On February 17, 2005, the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority reported 29.6 kg of plutonium was unaccounted for during audits at the facility. However, this is an error of 0.5%, and the IAEA allows a 1% error to allow for, e.g., mistakes on paper.


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Talk:Man convicted of murdering wife 28 years ago

This is a test. Editprotected Please add this template to article: -- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 17:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, could you please also add the following categories: Category:Europe, Category:England, Category:Manchester and Category:Greater Manchester. Could you also add this template:

-- Rayboy8 ( my talk ) ( my contributions ) 18:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Victory Day 60th anniversary commemorated in Russia

May 9, 2005

Today the 60th anniversary of Victory Day was commemorated in Russia, and other successor states of the Soviet Union.

The parade on Red Square started at 7:00 UTC. The leaders of more than 50 countries and heads of several international organisations attended the parade. George W. Bush watched the parade with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Others attending included:
 * Hu Jintao - General Secretary of the Communist Party of China
 * Kofi Annan - Secretary General of the United Nations
 * Junichiro Koizumi - Prime Minister of Japan
 * Gerhard Schröder - Chancellor of Germany
 * Jacques Chirac - President of the French Republic

More than 4,000 World War II veterans and 7,000 military personnel were involved in the parade. The culmination was the flight of 12 planes (made up of SU-25s and MIG-29s), which emitted white, blue and red smoke to paint a Russian flag in the air.

Average Moscow citizens were not allowed to the parade. The exits from several metropolitan stations were closed. Mass celebrations are planned to be held at Poklonnaya Gora, Moscow's primary WW2 memorial.

Several new monuments were opened today, such as the 8-meter statue of Charles de Gaulle by Zurab Tsereteli and the monument to soldiers from Allied countries.

In the evening there was a large fireworks display.

The 60th anniversary of Victory in Europe (VE) Day was commemorated across Europe yesterday.


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User:Alaskanjackal

For additional information, please see Wikipedia:User:Cluth. I'm also working on a few projects at WikiTravel.

Profile
I'm a senior at the University of Alaska Anchorage, but this probably won't be my last year. I'm primarily studying journalism (broadcast emphasis, though I originally started out doing print) but I'm also in the professional piloting program (as of this writing, I've almost completed my private pilot's license). But my primary passion in life is my new job with the Alaska Railroad: as of May 26th, I am officially hired out as a brakeman. I feel privileged to work in an occupation that most only dream about. (I especially get a kick out of waving to little kids as we roll by.) The scenery that this railroad goes through is absolutely incomparable. Oh, I'm also an audio engineer. I used to be on staff at ChangePoint, Alaska's largest church, as the lead sound engineer and systems manager and now remain on their volunteer audio team. I've also mixed for various other organizations in Anchorage.

Although I originally hail from California and may plan to end up back there eventually, I love Alaska and think that everyone should visit at least once. I have been to 43 states in the U.S. plus Washington, D.C. and to 38 countries in North America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia. Last year I traveled Down Under where I performed with 200 people at the Sydney Opera House under Eric Whitacre--what an experience. I would love to return and discover the rest of the what that part of the world has to offer.

I love travel, transportation and technology, and I enjoy sharing my love of them. I hope my enthusiasm for these subjects comes through in my contributions. While I think I've found my passion on the rails, I'm still not 100% sure yet if I'd like to stay with the 'road, continue training as a pilot, be a travel writer, a traveling independent video producer, or all four. I'm leaning toward that last one.

Journalism and WikiNews
Many journalists enjoy covering a variety of subjects. While I firmly believe that variety is the spice of life, I find I enjoy covering certain things more than others. My top areas of interest seem to be travel, transportation and technology. (I say both travel and transportation because they're different: transportation deals with the methods of travel. I'm a railfan and love trains, and I enjoy flying and driving as well. I also enjoy IT-type stuff--stuff dealing with computers, servers, communication, data transport, etc.) I also enjoy following politics, religion and society, but I really don't have much of a desire to report on those. (They're too serious for my taste.)

Since I work more than full-time (typically 50 hours per week), I don't have gobs of time to do much reporting and writing. However, I'll try to contribute when I can. However, if and when I ever pursue journalism full-time (which is doubtful, at this point), I would enjoy the chance to contribute then to WikiNews. I like the idea of having everyone interact with material together...it would be interesting to really see WikiNews revolutionize news gathering and dissemination.

Of course, if anything important happens in my neck of the woods, I'll certainly try my hardest to get to the front lines and bring the story to the WikiWorld.

Contact Info
Please feel free to contact me about reporting anything in Alaska. If you have a story idea that would benefit from an Alaskan angle, send it my way. And of course, if you hear about anything that's going on up here and want me to look into it, let me know and I'll try my hardest. Alaska's a big state, though--as big as 1/5 of the contiguous "Lower 48"--and much of the state's not reachable by car. Since I'm on a college student's limited budget, I probably won't be able to make it to, say, Barrow, Nome, Bethel, or even Juneau.

Contact methods
 * Email me
 * The best way to reach me is via email (I check it several dozen times per day). This is a special address that also forwards to my cell phone as an SMS message, so if you have urgent breaking news, I should be available to look into it on short notice.
 * Phone:
 * I hesitate to release my phone number in a public space like this. If you have reason to call me, send an email with your number and I'll call you back. Make sure to include a brief note on the subject matter. (Include your country code if it's international; don't worry about international calling charges--I have a couple of very good prepaid phone cards and VoIP services.)
 * AIM/MSN/IRC:
 * While I do keep my computer connected to various instant message services and do keep a presence in an IRC channel some friends of mine have set up and hang out in, I'd prefer to keep those private. Additionally, any time I'm near my computer--and often when I'm not--I'm constantly checking my email, so that really is the fastest way to reach me.

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75 Iraqi militants reported dead in U.S. offensive

May 9, 2005

The U.S. military reports 75 militants dead in an offensive launched Sunday in western Iraq. The offensive was begun with U.S. air support in a desert area north of the Euphrates River in the province of Anbar. There is no word on civilian casualties, if any.

A report by a Chicago Tribune journalist embedded with U.S. forces said the offensive "was seeking to uproot a persistent insurgency in an area that American intelligence indicated has become a haven for foreign fighters flowing in from Syria."

More than 1,000 U.S. and coalition troops supported by fighter jets and helicopter gunships attacked villages in and around Al Qaim, near the Syrian border. A statement by the US military said the operation was expected to last several days, and was targeting a smuggling route and hideouts for foreign rebels.

The American Forces Press Service reports: "Coalition forces also destroyed car bombs, bomb-making material and two buildings that contained large weapons caches to include hand- and rocket-propelled grenades."

The New York Times reports an estimate of insurgent casualties at over 100.

Col. Bob Chase, the chief of operations for the Second Marine Division, has said there were "a handful" of marine casualties. The source also reports Chase saying, "The objective is to totally disrupt the safe havens and rat lines that have allowed them to bring those materials across the border. This had been a very secure area for the insurgents."

In a statement made from an Islamist website that could not be confirmed, the Al-Qaeda militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi reportedly said, "The adorers of the cross claim to have killed 75 Muslims at Al-Qaim. Once more, they are lying, because lying is their religion," according to Forbes.


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Wikinews talk:Archive conventions

 * /Archive 1

suggesting something that is probably really unpopular (no protection)
Perhaps stopping the protection of archived materials may be of ultimate benefit to the project. There are definitely changes on protected pages that could happen (mostly "trivial" items) and most users are not going to be admins. --Remi (talk) 06:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree with this idea, that is what editprotected is for. Cirt (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely a bad idea. Too many people don't get the difference between here and Wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Solar Eclips
Names of publications and articles Please italicise names of publications and articles mentioned, including web site names. Don't put web addresses into articles.

When the publication is something like The Boston Globe, note that 'The' is capitalised.

When using a common, shortened form, such as calling The Boston Globe simply the Globe.

Always use the full name of the publication on the first mention, not a contracted name. Unlike with acronyms, there is no need to explicitly define the contracted form in brackets after the first mention of the full name.

Wiki links within an article Do not over-wikify articles. Link only particularly relevant background material. If your article is about a high-speed chase and accident, the make and colour of the vehicle is probably not particularly relevant, but the city or region might be.
 * If I wave chicken entrails over this, will it make sense? --Brian McNeil / talk 06:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This seems to have been copied from Style guide. Not sure what the user was trying to do. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Seven days
It seems some articles are being protected several days early. I'm not necessarily against this, and I actually think it would be a good idea to protect articles after five days, but we need to be careful not to jump the gun in terms of archiving things. – Juliancolton  | Talk 16:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bump, as I see this issue is still happening. – Juliancolton  | Talk 01:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * (i know this is a post from a long time ago, but figured I'd post anyway) Meh, I don't see that it makes much difference if we occasionally are a day or two ahead in archiving - it's just less work to do later, plus we don't have a lot of admins who consistently archive pages (just me at the moment, occasionally Cirt). As long as we don't get more than 1-2 days ahead, i think it should be okay. Tempodivalse [talk]  14:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Challenge this policy
It's completely anti-wiki to prevent edits to an article prior to the archive date. While I'm not necessarily opposed to archiving after 24 hours, it's illogical to say an article should not be edited after 24 hours, but not archived until 168 hours. -  Amgine | t 02:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. While major new developments and the like should have there own article, being a Wiki gives us the ability to continue to work on an article even after it has been published. We should be taking advantage of this. If we are not going to, the page should be protected at the cut off point. Technically allowing edits and then reverting them wastes new contributors time and will chase them off. --Cspurrier (talk) 02:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I am pretty sure it chases newcomers off. However, when a story is breaking, or when new facts about an incident are disclosed (new photos or statements), or when another Wikinewsie does better research: then we need to draw it to the attention of our readers appropriately, and the current solution to this is to post as a new story if it is more than 24 hours later. Appropriate presentation is important whether a story takes more or less than 24 hours to develop after first publication. I don't think we have it right yet: there must be some combination of re-posting stories, forward links, and protection that presents things in a way that clearly delivers Wikinews's latest/best assessment of the facts, while still being clear and honest about how a story developed, and welcoming to new contributors.

Every good story develops after publication, so I think it is time to take a relaxed but serious look at whether there is a better way to deal with that.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 06:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the archive policy 24 hour cut off is a bit strict, but the general idea of having a cut-off date where a sentence could get re-worded, but the article shouldn't significantly change is a good idea. Note we also spam people trying to edit old articles with Editintro notcurrent. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Perhaps we should provide a start-a-new-article box on that template. Is it possible to set it up to prefetch a pattern with a related-article section linking back to the article currently being edited?  --Pi zero (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Having the start-a-new-article box is a great idea. Pre-adding the links would make it really cool, but I'm not sure it's possible. Even if you could add the old title automatically, those links also need the publication date, which would be trickier. Maybe some fancy Javascript could do it? Bawolff? the wub "?!"  13:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Given how things are at the moment, I'd argue in favour of the timescales; that is why we have reviewers, and why BRS pushed through killing autosight. Sorry to be terse, but I laboured over this policy when nobody took any care to archive. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Propose changes?
Remember also, Brian, that I initiated this policy for pretty much the reasons why you feel strongly about it. That doesn't blind me to the fact its current implementation is not optimal.

Based on the discussion here I would suggest a two-fold set of changes:
 * Automate archiving
 * Articles should be "closed" at 24-48 hours. Few c/e, style edits happen 48 hours after publishing, and most of those which do are by administrators.
 * Implement start-a-new-article fields in both the archived template and the notcurrent template.
 * Date changes are already automated with this tool, and a specialized pre-populating template can be used to fill in related news, other fields.

Are there any other tweaks we should add to this? -  Amgine | t 14:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I support these changes. If we are not able to switch to a fully automated archiving system (or if we keep the 7 day archive mark), we could have a bot semi-protect the article at the first cut off point and thus make it so new users do not mistakenly edit the articles, but still allow some non-admins to c/e --Cspurrier (talk) 17:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

 * While (2) just makes sense to me, and I suspect to everyone else, I don't think I agree with (1). There's a world of difference between asking people to create a new article for substantive changes after 24 hours ("alter[ing] the balance of the article"), and not allowing them to submit any edits at all after 24 hours.  If there's any reasonable chance that someone will look at the article and perceive it as recent news, it should be possible for them to make copyedits to it; copyedits are a likely way for newcomers to get their feet wet, and we want to encourage newcomers (some of whom, properly encouraged at the start, will become the future of the project).  Seven days seems to me like a perfectly reasonable cut-off.  The central question here, as I understand it, is whether there should be any real difference between the cut-off for substantive changes and the cut-off for non-admin edits to the article.  I see a real advantage to having a difference between them, in encouraging newcomers, and I hope that the new-article field will mitigate the current disadvantage.  --Pi zero (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there will be no visible new-article field until someone has been reverted, or if we take Craig's suggestion to semi-protect the article first (and add a template to that effect.) Perhaps that would be the best solution? Without the new-article field it seems particularly unhelpful/likely to scare of new contributors if we have an editable article which they get into trouble for editing.
 * The other option might be to lengthen the time an article might be edited - including new material/expansion - to 48 hours, and then have it automated archived. This longer content-editing period may chafe senior community members, but there is no actual *harm* so long as earlier portions of the article are not removed. -  Amgine | t 21:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "there will be no visible new-article field until someone has been reverted"? The idea as I read it was to put the new-article field into editintro notcurrent, which is shown on the editing page for any article published more than X hours ago (by voodoo magic). X is currently 48 hours, but that can be changed easily enough.
 * I agree completely with what Pi zero said. Being able to copyedit and the like is great for attracting new users, and oh boy, do we need more of them! Do we really have a serious problem with substantive edits to old articles? The current system seems to discourage them pretty well. Even if there were lots of them, thanks to flagged revisions they would be nothing more than a very minor time drain, as they never go live. the wub "?!"  23:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, I was wrong about whether it was visible at the edit window (for those using the web-based editor); I was more interested in avoiding them getting to any editor by having the new-article box on the article page (via the "article protected prior to archiving" template.) An argument against having it on the editing page is - how much of the editing page do you read before editing? I just looked conscientiously at the edit screen and was completely unaware of this bit: "Also, please refrain from offensive or inflammatory comments." (Incidentally, I love having the templates drop-down, but have long wished for Brian's opinion question template to be included.)
 * As for whether copyediting is a great draw for new contributors, I agree. How often do you see them copy editing an article greater than 48 hours old? Is it a huge percentage of the new contributors? I personally have my doubts but if it is, then why restrict them from editing the content? surely that would be an even greater draw to new contributors, seeing their contributions to a published article being reviewed and visible? -  Amgine | t 01:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

This all hinges around the following - article lifecycle. --Brian McNeil / talk

Article lifecycle

 * 1) Unpublished, and always unreviewed.
 * 2) Review requested
 * 3) Reviewed, and published
 * 4) Reviewed and published, open/breaking
 * 5) Reviewed and published. stable
 * 6) Archived

I'm completely happy with the above, it's how things should work. Timescales is the issue (fill in as you prefer). This policy, as it stands, is based on the whole lot having been done at the last step. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Quick first observation on that is, that I'd go to a "review failed->re-review requested" state; if an article is resubbed for review, the reviewer should be directed to the failed review - they may not need to check everything. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Re timescale: The discussion has been mostly about when to fully protect, which is the second half of the transition to Archived state.  The first half of the transition is adding the archive tag.  Full protection should not happen until the article is not, and never again will be, listed on the main page.  The archive tag forces the DPL to exclude the article.  Archiving after 24 or even 48 hours would routinely foreshorten the DPL; what we want is a figure that's unlikely to do that even in a reasonable output slump.  On that basis, seven days seems reasonable to me.  --Pi zero (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Pre-protection process - why then?
Whilst attention is on this page, I'll bring up something that's been bugging me about it for a while. Most of the things listed under Pre-protection process seem like they should have been done long before archiving, as part of the reviewing process. The only exceptions are undoing late edits (which ideally shouldn't get through so much now that everything needs to be sighted), and adding the archive template (obviously). I guess the rest must be left over from before we had such formalised reviewing prior to publish? Nevertheless it's quite a useful little checklist, so it should maybe be merged into Reviewing articles instead. Thoughts? the wub "?!"  22:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. It annoys me when I review an article and the person who wrote it hasn't formatted the sources properly, or they have the cats in the wrong place. But what annoys me a lot more is when an article gets published with that incorrect formatting still in place. I haven't brought this up before because I've been more concerned with people properly copychecking and factchecking articles. It seemed silly to nitpick about formatting if people weren't properly reviewing the article content. Gopher65talk 23:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Those issues should be dealt with at review-time. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I suggest replacing the entire Pre-protection process section with
 * == Archiving process ==
 * An administrator should archive an article by adding tag archive to the end of the article (preferably just after tag publish on a separate line), sighting it, fully protecting the article, and sighting it again.

I also suggest removing from subsection Age for protection the antiquated provision "in case of a conflict on this basis administrators may apply protection early"; that's surely a relic from before flaggedrevs, and on any other basis it's instruction creep. --Pi zero (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I admit it, that was a naive suggestion. Some things really do have to be spelled out.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem antiquated to me. We don't often get edit wars, and even less between registered reviewers, but we should have a standard procedure to deal with them.  Temporarily and speedily removing the review bits from two protagonists in an edit war would also be useful, but speedy protection is kind of a standard MediaWiki fallback. --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I was thinking 'antiquated' because it seemed to me to be a holdover from when a published article could be edited freely by anyone. I'd think full-blown edit wars between non-reviewers relatively unlikely in the subdued setting of published articles, where the edits wait for a higher authority to judge them before being published; and reviewers should be more mature than to engage in a sighted edit war, given their awareness of the gravitas of publishing edits.  We also have a clear tradition of preferring to pull dubious material until we're sure, which tends to damp out a class of potential edit wars between those with extra privileges.

 * I said "instruction creep" because, as you note, temporarily fully protecting a page is a basic tool in the toolkit of an admin. It seems likely (depending on actual circumstances, of course) that better choices from the toolkit would probably be temporary removal of the reviewer bit for a sighted edit war on an article, and temporary blocking for an unsighted one.  For Wikinews, subduing the warriors seems better than retarding improvements to the article, and soft restraints on warriors (de-reviewer) should also be better for the article since it leaves interested contributors still able to provide constructive input.  If we were going to have any instructions here at all, I'm inclined to think they should say something about preferring alternatives to early protection.  --Pi zero (talk) 12:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Well argued! I say delete the phrase then.  One day it should re-emerge in an administrators' manual or an edit war guideline, if those don't already exist. --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Pi's detective work is pretty accurate. When I did the initial attempts to clear a multi-year backlog of unarchived articles I ended up with something like the following process:
 * 1) Check history, compare with publication date.
 * 2) Review each edit since publication, remove the "sneaky" vandalism done on old articles.
 * 3) Standardise the section names, source templates
 * 4) Add the archived template
 * 5) Full prot.

Personally, I think the whole workflow / article lifecycle could do with being looked at. I would really like some tools to help manage that. Ideally, those would be server-side in the form of some sort of extension. I've paid next to no attention to Wikipedia's plans to introduce FlaggedRevs, but I'd argue we should be trying to design something flexible enough that it would be of-use to them too. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

A note about
A note about  Says that articles are sorted by modification date. Semantic MediaWiki allows sorting by creation date. Here's an example:

http://www.coincompendium.com/w/index.php/Category:Types

This is a technical issue that can easily be fixed using SMW. I recommend WikiNews start using it. If WikiNews needs help with that, let me know. I'm competent in SMW administration (there are many people who are better at it than me), and expert in SMW template programming (there only a few people who are better at it than me).

Badon (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

 * They aren't sorted by modification date, they're sorted by when they were added to the category (if one selects that option on the DPL, which we most often do). That's usually a much closer approximation to what we want, than creation date would be.  --Pi zero (talk) 22:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification. Badon (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Change the "Post-archival edits" section
Images are considered content and should not be changed or removed, even if deleted on Commons. Wait, even if deleted on Commons? I don't understand why these harmless edits should be prevented. Red links should be removed on articles. This is actually the reason why CommonsDelinker is blocked. Can it be changed to something that will not prevent post-archival edits that removes images that are deleted on Commons? Or if that is not possible due to consensus, can someone make an abuse filter that will just prevent CommonsDelinker removing images that are deleted on Commons, while permitting file moves? Blocking CommonsDelinker doesn't solve this problem, and will just make the situation worse. I am a filemover on Commons, and I am worried that this wiki will not have the latest filenames immediately when files on Commons are moved. Thanks, Pokéfan95 (talk) 12:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there was once a request for renaming a media file, few months ago. But the media was already in use on this project. Once renaming was successful, the one who did it came here and rectified the location. I guess the renamers makes the correction wherever the file is used. 14.139.242.195 (talk) 12:59, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Why would a news source want the "latest" files? The images displayed should be those current at the time the article is published. The history behind this goes back to, for example, the H5N1 spread and maps used on Wikinews articles. Imagine an article with the headline Foobar is third country where some disease is confirmed. If the map then shows a dozen countries, the article looks weird.
 * Secondly, the project has a local Fair-Use/Fair-Dealing policy, so can host images locally. This could often rescue images which might fall foul of Commons' particularly strict policies. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:38, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

 * Some thoughts.
 * If a file move really doesn't change anything significant, notify us and we can fix it.
 * We can also neatify ugly redlinks using template missing image.
 * On close consideration, the policy-change idea does really amount to compromising one's core values — here, "don't rewrite history" — simply because a bot was designed to aggressively enforce incompatible policies from a different project.
 * Avoid gratuitously complicated solutions. It's asking for trouble to put in place a bot misdesigned to aggressively ignore local policy and then try to "fix" it by putting a second elaborate software mechanism in place to filter out the undesirable vast majority of the bot's edits.
 * In the larger picture, I prefer to avoid bots as much as possible because they move control of activities further away from the wiki community and thereby undermine the essence of wiki-ness. As a practical matter, to avoid them as much as possible one needs technical alternatives, and I'm working on just that (see, for example, here).
 * --Pi zero (talk) 13:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

 * I am increasingly of the opinion Commons should be avoided entirely for images. Although we have some archival resilience to file deletions/filemoves, we have no method of being aware when an image is updated on Commons. I believe it would be a fair assessment that a large percentage (>5%) of our articles with images have been damaged in this fashion. This is primarily due to a misunderstanding by Commons of Wikinews's mission as a record of what happened when. -  Amgine | t 19:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair-use images could be uploaded locally and thus CommonsDelinker's "job" could be avoided. Do correct me if I'm wrong. -- Winter eu 19:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * IIRC free-use images do not require a justification to be hosted on Wikinews. Fair use can also be hosted locally due to a board-approve FU policy. -  Amgine | t 19:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

does the policy allow for updating logos to better versions?
I noticed many articles are using old JPEG or PNG logos that have since been superseded by SVG versions on Commons. Would it be counter to the archival policy to update the articles to use higher-quality logos? --Ixfd64 (talk) 19:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have an example in mind? I feel I'd have to see an example to judge applicability to a particular case, but given it's just a logo, and just increasing resolution, it sounds likely okay to me. --Pi zero (talk) 20:24, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's one: the article "Exclusive look at Bebo" uses the local image File:Bebo logo.gif. However, there is a far better version at File:Logo Bebo.svg on Commons. --Ixfd64 (talk) 21:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * In that particular case, the gif is local and therefore stable, whereas I wouldn't necessarily trust Commons not to eventually replace it with a different "updated" logo, appropriate for use of such a logo on an encyclopedia, but not for its use in an archived news article. Since the gif is already here, I'd be inclined to leave its use in that article alone. --Pi zero (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. --Ixfd64 (talk) 00:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Just checking, bit unsure
So, is the rule that anything older than seven days and not on the main page is archived? No issue with this, just wanting clarity so I know when to archive! --LivelyRatification (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Correct but with the caveat: only archive the articles listed below the horizontal line in the "To archive" section at the foot of the policy page overleaf. So if there’s ever a time when there are only ten unarchived recent articles, we hold off archiving until things change. [24Cr][talk] 15:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Alaskanjackal

Welcome
Cluth, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!--Cspurrier 14:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

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User talk:83.134.242.157

Welcome
83.134.242.157, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Dan100 (Talk) 14:12, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view - tell every side to a story in a fair and balanced way
 * Cite sources - everything in a Wikinews article must be sourced
 * Introduction - overview of the site
 * Writing an article - how to write and publish a complete article
 * Content guide - what's suitable for Wikinews
 * Style guide - how articles should look before publishing
 * Contents - the contents page.
 * Existing articles need expanding and checking for spelling and mistakes
 * The front page lead articles often need updating
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User talk:218.168.93.247

Welcome
218.168.93.247, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Dan100 (Talk) 15:34, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
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 * Developing stories need finishing and publishing
 * Discussions need your input
 * Audio Wikinews could always use more contributors
 * And of course, stories need writing!

title: User talk:218.168.93.247