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Talk:Church of Scientology blames Pearl Harbor, 9/11 on psychiatry

Comments page missing
The comments page for this article seems to have been detached from the main article, when I click the "opinions" tab on the top of the page it gives me a 404 error. Any way to fix this? ♪ Tempo di Valse ♪ 18:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For some reason, when using the HYS template (the one we ask questions), makes a new comments page aside from the one we already have. I don't know how to fix this though. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't a new comments page. It simply takes the existing link, removes the commas, slashes, etc from the link, and turns them into characters. %2F is the character for a forward slash, and for some reason %2F isn't allowed in URLs on servers running apache 1 (like the wikimedia servers, apparently). So the URL is rejected. The comments page still works, it's just the comments tab that is broken because of the / in the URL. Here is the link to the bugzilla page for this bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9204 Gopher65talk 23:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice about the bug. :) Cirt (talk) 11:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Tenuous sources
This is a real reach. I am seriously surprised this was published without questions being raised about its newsworthyiness. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you be more specific? I have been trying to find more legit sources, especially for the video, but it has gotten just about as bad as the Tom Cruise bit. The Church has been on a youtube rampage and has been quite successful so far and any of the legit articles linking to the videos are generally doing it from YouTube. Since they don't write more than a paragraph or two you sorta have to rely on the video as the actual source. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This sort of, er... "absolute bollocks" has been a recurring feature on alt.religion.scientology. Anyone who knows a little about CoS is well aware they are ideologically opposed to psychiatry. They will say anything and everything to promote their belief that shrinks are corrupt, evil, and kiddie fiddlers. Their blaming the psychiatric medical profession for these events is not news - it is evidence they're batshit insane. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember, most people seem to think that Scientology is a religion based on atheism, because it has "science" in its name. This is propagated by the fact that a good many Hollywood stars, well known for being wacko lefty anti-Christian nutjobs (and therefore, in the eyes of Americans, anti-religion), are supporting the cult. So to them, it is just 'more proof', as they would say, that science is nothing more than another religion. Because Scientology is so closed, a normal person watching nothing but CNN never hears differently. All they know is that Tom Cruise is crazy, and that he jumps on couches while saying he doesn't like psychiatrists.

 * So the newsworthy bit was that they went on television spouting their ridiculous crap openly, rather than behind closed doors like they normally do. Just like the Tom Cruise incident(s). Maybe that's a bit thin, but I thought it was enough for it to be news. Gopher65talk 00:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * God help us if these ignorant bumpkins ever elect someone - oh, wait... that was the last eight years. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

lol, yet again / obvious bias
what is the fascination with linking ANONYMOUS with every damned piece wikinews does on the CoS?

The last paragraph betrays obvious bias for the author to state emphatically that the charges are false. it is not the place of news piece to either form an, or influence opinion, but rather to state indisputable fact. - Imind (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you would read the related news link, you would see that the Finnish authorities said to me/Wikinews that there was no connection with Anonymous whatsoever: Monday, October 20, 2008: "According to the leader of the criminal investigation of the Jokela High School Shooting in 2007, there was no link between the group called 'Anonymous' and the offender [Auvinen]," said Tapio Ahola, Detective Chief Inspector of the NBI to Wikinews. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Kamikaze/Pearl Harbor
Kamikaze pilots did not attack Pearl Harbor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.210.232.238 (talk • contribs)
 * See the next sentence. Cirt (talk) 05:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Typo
editprotected "Millenium" => "Millennium" (note that it is a link, thus two changes) Van der Hoorn (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cirt (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


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Comments:Church of Scientology blames Pearl Harbor, 9/11 on psychiatry

—SputniK 79 (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)—SputniK 79 (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC) =What do you think of these latest claims by The Church of Scientology? =

Now this is something
now this is something that doesn't make any sense....Awadhesh016 (talk) 17:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I have re-uploaded the video on Vimeo. You can see it here:
I have re-uploaded the video on Vimeo. You can see it here: Scientology: PSYCHIATRISTS to Blame for 9/11 and Other Suicide Bombers! - Lilly von Marcab

Ummm...The Church of $cientology has gone and again proved they have no knowledge of history. Japan did not use Kamikaze tactics until October 1944, when the war was getting desperateKamikaze. —DWolf2k2 (talk) 18:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of these latest claims by The Church of Scientology?
They need a shrink!

This guy is confused
He confused psychiatry with religion, and drugs with threats from religious figures. "If you don't kill people the  says you shouldn't for us you'll go to ." sort of thing.

Typical Scientology fixed idea monomania
Anyone who thinks Scientology is a religion needs to see a Psychiatrist immediately!

...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ha... ha... oh man. These guys are funny. They're like the crazy uncle of cult-like religions. Only Hollywood is dumb enough to believe in these guys. --Sasquatch (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Lunatic Fringe is at it again....what a bunch of wackos...even psychotropic meds wouldn't help them Perhaps a space ship will come and pick them up and return them from whence they came....Pluto (ooops its no longer a planet; ahh send there anyway..perhaps Travolta can fly the ship with Tom Cruise as 1st Officer.   John

Get rid of scientology!
What a total bunch of crack pots! No not the psychiartrists, nor their patients - the scientologists of course. This cult is filled with the super rich and the famous, for whom reality is about power and influence of the rest of us, who happen to inhabit their world for their pleasure and use. They do this using their money and power and influence others with their mind control techniques, so is it any wonder therefore that they are anti-psychiatry, a support system that can help people recover from their influence and their effects and have a chance to rebuild their lives.

These guy's should be outlawed. They are as extremist as any jehadist or ultra-orthodox member of whichever/whatever religious group or cult you care to mention. They are dangerous, they promote and support irrational world views and should be sent the way of all mind controlling organisations - into oblivion.

--81.99.38.143 13:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me or do Scientologists need to remember that their religion was founded by a sci-fi writer who said something along the lines of "If you want to make a million, start a religion"? Jonathan Hall (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

wow that shit. Think about its like saying "We have a psychotic guy and he will prob kill someone (tho I know that that stereotypical as most psychoatics arnt that dangerous) and we will not give him drugs to make him a little more normal" Tho of cause if u give a psychotiv drugs it will make him voilent (like he isnt already). And saying geving a biolarity person drugs will, the only thing those drugs will do is possibly make some memmory issues. GET A LIFE SCIENTOLOGIST, you have science in you lol yeah sure

nuts
This bunch of nuts have been making blod idiotic statements for years. They have no sense whatsoever.

 * ..and yet there has never been mainstream outrage. If muslims said this about jews (in b4 jews did 9/11) or protestants said this about catholics, you'd see all kinds of uproars. --Philip Laurence (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Sad Indeed
I think that L.Ron Hubbard probably had some kind of trauma with psychiatrists or the likes.

I find those claims hilarious.

This is madness.
Madness? THIS IS XENU!

Rockin on with the Xenu in da house!

Please tell me this is a joke!
Does anyone actually believe this? If anyone else were to say these things, he or she would be strapped into a straightjacket before having time to say "Sciento..." --SputniK 79 (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

These guys are CRAZY! HA HA the only reason they are still open is because they have such rich [and hopeless] customers __138.88.98.31 19:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Crazy ideas
These guys are CRAZY! HA HA the only reason they are still open is because they have such rich [and hopeless] customers __138.88.98.31 19:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

psychiatry caused pearl harbor/9/11? LOLOLOLOLOL

they are complete morons

Scientology is a scam founded by a science fiction crackpot trying to avoid taxes. It has cleverly recruited celebrities in order to propogate its incluence. It has been used by other interests who want to pursue atheistic dogma. It has sanctioned criminal behavior, including spying on and stealing government files, in order to protect itself. Scientology makes no accounting of the large sums of money that it brings in from its dupes by "selling" so-called spiritual, pseudo-scientific "clearing" services. —24.170.245.81 19:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

scientology not afraid of appearing ignorant
Without intelligence or tact, Scientology continues to reveal it's ignorant views of the world.

Just...wow
God damn, I hate Scientology. I don't necessarily have a problem with their beliefs, just the fact that they control so much and run themselves like an evil empire. Xhaoz (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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no i po chuj o tym pisać w wikipedii? chluba dla polski. mala litera jest celowa.


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Adela Lupșe, outburst TV presenter, gives her side

February 22, 2009

The call-in quiz show is a staple of cheap programming throughout Europe. The format is simple: a question is displayed on screen, and callers phone in with their guesses – paying a premium rate to do so. The programs are often repetitive, the average question simple, the average prize small.

Once in a while, though, something unusual does happen.

On December 6 2008, Adela Lupșe, presenting the call-in quiz Telepremii on Național TV on Romanian television, had what The Daily Telegraph described as a "tantrum on air". As the final prize became available, Ms Lupșe's show had no callers. Already excited, she began to shout. Throwing the telephone down on the studio floor and stomping on it, she admonished her viewers, "I want the telephone to ring now. Now. Call me now!"

Various reports in the English-speaking press went on to state that Ms Lupșe had been fired, or fired and re-hired, that the show had been fined heavily, forced to move to a late-evening time slot, or given an adults-only rating.

After presenting the broadcasts of this morning's call-in programs, including the same one she was supposedly fired from in January, Ms Lupșe spoke to Wikinews from her television studio in Budapest, Hungary to give her first full-length English interview and talk about her work and her version of events.

Adela Lupșe was born in 1988 to a miner's family in the village of Poiana, Bihor in Transylvania, Romania. A member of Romania's first post-Ceaușescu generation, she grasped the power of television at a young age: "I think television is the most interesting phenomenon that the modern day has given us....for my type of personality, I find it impressive, the power that television has worldwide....We dress like the people that television promotes. We want to look like the celebrities that television launches."

Knowing television was the career for her, Lupșe moved to the city of Oradea to study journalism, and began a job at a local television station as a health reporter. Using that position as a launching board, she found her way onto the national reality program Noră pentru mama 1 (Daughter-in-law for Mom) on Kanal D, a show in which mothers of single sons attempted to matchmake for their children. Lupșe unabashedly admits she took part in the show only for exposure: "Actually my goal from the start was not to win this thing or to find someone. I wanted to get some attention and get people to know my face. I want this attention because I'm aware of the fact that it is not easy to enter this world! And I was doing all this in order to increase my chances to get my dream job in television." That dream: to host a nationally-broadcast talk show.

After participating in Noră pentru mama, Lupșe was asked to audition for her first call-in program and was quickly hired. She describes a typical day: "One hour and a half before the show I'm in the make-up room. After I'm done with hair and make-up I go down to the studio for the before the show to talk to the producer. And then is the result that anyone gets to see." All of her banter on-air is improvised: "Definitely there is no script! Everything that you see comes out spontaneosly during the show."

On any given day, Ms Lupșe is on camera for between one and five hours, presenting a number of different call-in shows on several different networks: not only Național TV but also Prima TV and Antena 1, all broadcast from the same studio. Despite the repetition, she doesn't get bored. "For me it's always exciting. I enjoy it very much! If I'm tired at the end of the show it means I've done a good show. But I'm never tired during the show." When I play a clip of one of her energetic show presentations – not the one she's become best known for – she elaborates on her exuberance. "I'm always excited when I'm about to give big prizes! There is no show without winners!"

Adela Lupșe's December 6 broadcast was a normal day. She went to the studio, prepared her hair and makeup, spoke to the producer, and went onscreen. The only thing out of the ordinary, she says, was the size of the prize: 1500 leu, about $US 450, or roughly a month's wage for a typical Romanian. She describes the critical moment in nonchalant terms:

'''How did you feel, then, when you began shouting? Many people have said you seemed angry...'''
 * Adela Lupșe: I was just involved in the moment! People have different opinions.

You weren't angry at all?
 * Adela Lupșe: I would rather use the word excited.

Even when you put your foot on the telephone.
 * Adela Lupșe: Even then, the whole moment was just my way to express my excitement!

'''All we in most countries have seen is those two minutes. What happened afterward?'''
 * Adela Lupșe: Well the show went on, I got my winner and moved on!

She says she and her show weren't fired or fined. The first inkling she had, in fact, that there was something unusual about that day's broadcast was when, on January 9 2009, MTV Russia aired the clip of her shouting and stomping on the phone, mixed with some dramatic orchestral rock music. That same clip, uploaded onto video service YouTube, quickly garnered over one million views.

Adela Lupșe says she's happy with the attention brought her from her outburst: she's been interviewed on talk shows in both Hungary and Romania so "people were able to see that I'm a normal, fun to be around person." She's occasionally recognized in the street, which she enjoys.

And as for the charge most frequently leveled against her, that she's "crazy": "I think it is normal that people have prejudicies, everyone is free to express his opinion in the same way that I'm free to do my job the best that I can! I'm hurt if my family is unhappy with people's comments but I think I gain the wisdom to ignore the negative feedback!

"I think also I'm a little bit crazy. So it's all good!"


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Main interview
I performed the interview myself over Yahoo! Messenger. Notes are below (parts not used in article exempt):
 * (13:01:31) Killing Vector: hello!
 * (13:01:39) Adela Lupșe: hellooo
 * (13:01:51) KV: How are you? Are you doing well?
 * (13:02:15) Adela Lupșe: ;;) i am verry ok:) thw you!
 * (13:02:18) Adela Lupșe: thx
 * (13:02:29) KV: How was work? Show go well?
 * (13:03:07) Adela Lupșe: i was yws, i finish at 8 o click.... was verrry ok :)
 * (13:03:40) Adela Lupșe: and you .... everything is ok
 * (13:04:14) KV: yes, just fine -- I almost was not on time, I was collecting some things and it was taking too long.
 * (13:05:17) Adela Lupșe: ok
 * (13:05:25) KV: so, shall we begin?
 * (13:06:59) Adela Lupșe: yes of course
 * (13:07:46) KV: OK :) First, I'll identify myself for the record. My name is *************, I'm a freelance journalist preparing this interview for Wikinews in English, http://en.wikinews.org
 * (13:08:37) Adela Lupșe: good!
 * (13:08:53) KV: And I'm talking with Romanian television presenter Adela Lupse. Is that the correct spelling, any accent marks?
 * (13:10:16) Adela Lupșe: ok..
 * (13:10:18) Adela Lupșe: sooo
 * (13:10:28) Adela Lupșe: There are some special characters in my name but that's fine
 * (13:10:40) KV: We can use special characters too.
 * (13:11:59) KV: Is it Lupșe?
 * (13:12:22) Adela Lupșe: razvan nemes: unfortunately i don't have the romanian characters on my laptotp but it's all good
 * (13:12:27) Adela Lupșe: yes
 * (13:12:33) KV: OK, cool :)
 * (13:12:35) Adela Lupșe: sorryy
 * (13:12:43) Adela Lupșe: unfortunately i don't have the romanian characters on my laptotp but it's all good adellalupshe: yes
 * (13:12:45) Adela Lupșe: this iss
 * (13:12:53) Adela Lupșe: the answear
 * (13:13:20) Adela Lupșe: Adela Lupșe
 * (13:13:30) Adela Lupșe: is my name!
 * (13:13:51) Adela Lupșe: sooo
 * (13:14:03) KV: I'll outline how I'd like to this. First I'll ask some background questions, just general ones about your life. Then I'd like to talk about your work on the TV show, what happened, how you feel. Then we can talk about what you're doing now, how being famous on the Internet has changed things.
 * (13:14:29) Adela Lupșe: hellooo
 * (13:14:35) KV: yes, I'm here
 * (13:15:14) KV: If there is some problem with Yahoo also please tell me on Facebook
 * (13:15:49) KV: Hello?
 * (13:16:10) KV: Is something wrong?
 * (13:16:40) Adela Lupșe: Adela Lupșe-this is the exact spelling of my name
 * (13:16:47) KV: yes, good
 * (13:16:52) KV: did you see the outline I sent?
 * (13:18:55) Adela Lupșe has buzzed you!
 * (13:18:56) Adela Lupșe: ok
 * (13:19:00) KV: I'll outline how I'd like to this. First I'll ask some background questions, just general ones about your life. Then I'd like to talk about your work on the TV show, what happened, how you feel. Then we can talk about what you're doing now, how being famous on the Internet has changed things.
 * (13:19:23) Adela Lupșe: ok ok:)
 * (13:19:30) Adela Lupșe: i think;;)
 * (13:20:10) KV: OK. Well, first, please tell me something about where you grew up. You were born in 1988?
 * (13:20:31) Adela Lupșe: wath outline???
 * (13:20:42) KV: outline, just general structure
 * (13:21:17) Adela Lupșe: yes,it sounds good
 * (13:21:20) KV: ok
 * (13:22:11) Adela Lupșe: new i thing for quation
 * (13:22:23) KV: So, 1988 you were born, yes?
 * (13:22:23) Adela Lupșe: was born in a village in Transylvania,Romania
 * (13:22:31) KV: Village? Very small?
 * (13:22:34) Adela Lupșe: I moved to a big city only when I started college
 * (13:23:08) Adela Lupșe: yes i born a one village small in Transulvania
 * (13:23:32) Adela Lupșe: yes i 1988
 * (13:23:48) Adela Lupșe: in 3 march
 * (13:24:45) KV: You grew up in a time when Romania was changing very fast; Ceausescu had died only in December 1989. What sort of changes did you see in the village? What did it feel like?
 * (13:26:05) Adela Lupșe: hmm:-?
 * (13:26:15) KV: it's OK, think all you want :)
 * (13:26:45) Adela Lupșe: well i was only 1 when Ceausescu went down so i dont have a clear picture of how the situation was during communism
 * (13:27:09) Adela Lupșe: I can say I'm from the post-ceausescu generation:)
 * (13:27:44) KV: What did your family do as work?
 * (13:29:55) KV: Farming, mining?
 * (13:30:50) Adela Lupșe: ok :) i think
 * (13:30:55) KV: ok
 * (13:31:02) Adela Lupșe: My dad was a mine worker back then and my mom was a housewife taking care of me and my sisters
 * (13:31:37) KV: How many sisters? A large family?
 * (13:31:52) Adela Lupșe: i have 2 sisters
 * (13:33:09) KV: so hard work for all of you :) was it lucky for you to go to university?
 * (13:35:00) KV: you studied journalism, yes?
 * (13:35:07) Adela Lupșe: I can't say that I look at it as goodluck.I think it was a normal way for things to evolve
 * (13:35:26) Adela Lupșe: yes i studing journalism!
 * (13:35:45) KV: why did you choose journalism?
 * (13:37:46) Adela Lupșe: I chose journalism because I was always attracted to the media field,I thing television is the most "interesting phenomenon" that the modern days gave us
 * (13:38:21) KV: why most interesting?
 * (13:39:53) Adela Lupșe: well at least for me ,for my typse of personality,I find it impressive-the power that television has worldwide
 * (13:40:30) KV: so when you began university, did you know you wanted to present on television?
 * (13:40:38) Adela Lupșe: it's fascinating to realize how much television influences our life
 * (13:41:06) Adela Lupșe: definetely
 * (13:41:12) Adela Lupșe: I knew it before university
 * (13:41:29) KV: how old were you, when you knew it? How did television influence your young life?
 * (13:43:16) Adela Lupșe: I started realizing what I want to do in my highschool years. :) television influenced me and it keeps on doing it, i dont think only me! we dress like the people that television promotes
 * (13:43:40) Adela Lupșe: we want to look like the celebrities that television launches
 * (13:44:06) KV: what was your first work in television?
 * (13:44:28) Adela Lupșe: and I could go on
 * (13:44:31) Adela Lupșe: next;;)
 * (13:44:45) Adela Lupșe: what was your first work in television??? thiss
 * (13:44:46) Adela Lupșe: ok
 * (13:44:46) KV: oh, please, it is good if you go on :)
 * (13:44:56) Adela Lupșe: nooo iss OK!:)
 * (13:45:05) Adela Lupșe: just wait!
 * (13:45:15) Adela Lupșe: I was a reporter for a local tv station on the news department/health
 * (13:45:55) KV: was that in Oradea or another town?
 * (13:46:04) Adela Lupșe: in Oradea!
 * (13:46:51) KV: so, direct from university, you became a reporter...how did you come to present your call-in show?
 * (13:48:35) Adela Lupșe: before the call-in show I was a participant in a national reality show! and after this I was asked to do a casting. for my curent job
 * (13:48:57) KV: oh, what kind of reality show? Something like Big Brother?
 * (13:50:28) Adela Lupșe: more or less, it was called "daughter-in-law for mom"
 * (13:50:34) KV: we have all kinds of these shows now -- shows where people live in a house, shows where people eat insects, shows where people pretend to go to the moon...
 * (13:51:09) KV: this was a show where they try to find a husband for a mom's son?
 * (13:52:52) Adela Lupșe: yes,something like that-I'm not sure if "mom's son" defines the type of guys there but anyways moms were very involved in the selection process
 * (13:53:29) KV: and in this show, did you find a boyfriend, a husband, something like this?
 * (13:55:32) Adela Lupșe: actually my goal from the start was not to win this thing or to find someone. I wanted to get some attention and get people to know my face
 * (13:56:17) KV: Ah ;) Why do you want this attention, just to become famous, or to influence people, or something else?
 * (13:58:12) Adela Lupșe: I want this attention because I'm aware of the fact that it is not easy to enter this world!  and I was doing all this in order to increase my chances to get my dream job in television
 * (13:58:38) KV: ah! and this call-in show was the next step to the dream job?
 * (13:59:47) Adela Lupșe: I can say that this is a period in my evolution -a period that currently I enjoy a lot!
 * (14:01:16) KV: so it was from this reality show, Daughter-in-law for Mom, that you were hired for the famous call-in program...tell me, what was a normal day on that program like?
 * (14:01:32) Adela Lupșe: wow:)
 * (14:03:09) KV: yes? Exciting show?
 * (14:05:20) Adela Lupșe: it was just like a normal day in anyone\s life.    the only different thing was that we had camera's on and we were all competing for the same goal(but this can apply for the normal life also  )
 * (14:05:39) KV: competing? To get more people to phone in?
 * (14:06:53) Adela Lupșe: I thaught you meant the reality show, sorry
 * (14:06:57) KV: ah, I see
 * (14:07:05) KV: no, I meant the telephone show :)
 * (14:07:19) Adela Lupșe: ahh ok
 * (14:07:20) Adela Lupșe: sooo;;)
 * (14:08:14) Adela Lupșe: Well definetely it is more exciting than it looks!!! I will describe you a normal day at work.
 * (14:08:28) Adela Lupșe: one hour and a half before the show I'm in the make-up room
 * (14:08:39) KV: OK :)
 * (14:09:18) Adela Lupșe: after I'm done with hair and make-up I go down to the studio for the before the show talk to the producer
 * (14:10:02) Adela Lupșe: and then is the result that anyone gets to see
 * (14:11:33) KV: how many hours a day are you in front of the television camera, for this show?
 * (14:12:07) Adela Lupșe: it depends on the day
 * (14:12:33) KV: what is typical?
 * (14:12:42) Adela Lupșe: I work for more that 1 channel
 * (14:12:49) Adela Lupșe: maybe somewhere between 1hour and 4 or 5
 * (14:13:09) KV: 4 or 5 hours, wow. And no script, you must make up what you say as you go?
 * (14:15:19) Adela Lupșe: definetely there is no script! everything that you see comes out spontaneosly during the show. :)
 * (14:15:57) KV: how do you feel, when you're on the show? Is it exciting, tiring?
 * (14:17:50) Adela Lupșe: for me it's always exciting. I enjoy it very much! :);;) If I'm tired at the end of the show it means I've done a good show. But I'm never tired during the show :*
 * (14:18:31) Adela Lupșe: another alls
 * (14:19:25) KV: And often, you seem very excited on these shows -- would you say that this clip is typical? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo3IfRGKGAM
 * (14:22:38) KV: that is ordinary?
 * (14:23:29) Adela Lupșe: yes,I could say that it is typical. I'm always excited when I\m about to give big prizes!
 * (14:23:35) Adela Lupșe: to give big prizes?
 * (14:23:42) KV: yes, give or award
 * (14:24:32) Adela Lupșe: it is ordinary ,definetely
 * (14:24:40) KV: so now we come to the famous two minutes.
 * (14:24:46) Adela Lupșe: there is no show without winners!!
 * (14:25:57) Adela Lupșe: ok
 * (14:26:03) Adela Lupșe: ask me??
 * (14:26:20) KV: was there anything different about that day? About how you felt?
 * (14:28:02) Adela Lupșe: there was nothing different!. for me it was just a normal day at work
 * (14:28:45) KV: you had your hair and makeup ready, you talked to the producer, you went on camera, all ordinary.
 * (14:29:37) Adela Lupșe: exactely
 * (14:29:58) KV: and you were presenting the program, people were calling in...
 * (14:31:45) Adela Lupșe: just a regular day! :) I had a very big prize that day. maybe that was the reason why I got so excited:);;)
 * (14:32:09) KV: what was the prize?
 * (14:32:55) Adela Lupșe: it was 1500 the romanian currency
 * (14:33:48) KV: So. If it was a typical day...what happened?
 * (14:35:21) Adela Lupșe: the final hint was on the screen and it was time to hear the answer-that's all
 * (14:35:48) KV: That's all.
 * (14:35:55) Adela Lupșe: this all!
 * (14:36:00) Adela Lupșe: or u ask me??
 * (14:36:13) KV: well...I don't speak Romanian, so maybe I am missing some meaning.
 * (14:36:31) KV: How did you feel, then, when you began shouting? Many people have said you seemed angry...
 * (14:37:24) Adela Lupșe: I was just involved in the moment! people have different opinions:)
 * (14:38:02) KV: You weren't angry at all?
 * (14:38:40) Adela Lupșe: i would rather use the word excited
 * (14:38:59) KV: Even when you put your foot on the telephone.
 * (14:40:40) Adela Lupșe: even then, the whole moment was just my way to express my excitement!.
 * (14:41:14) KV: All we in most countries have seen is those two minutes. What happened afterward?
 * (14:42:53) Adela Lupșe: well the show went on ,I got my winner and moved on!
 * (14:43:25) KV: everything else was normal?
 * (14:44:07) Adela Lupșe: everything was normal
 * (14:44:29) KV: what was the first sign you had that something was unusual?
 * (14:46:18) Adela Lupșe: the fact that I saw this cut from the show on mtv russia or ukraine:d
 * (14:47:46) Adela Lupșe: soo??
 * (14:47:48) KV: What did that feel like?
 * (14:49:30) Adela Lupșe: It was...interesting but I didnt take it as a big deal:d. there were videos of mine on youtube before that one!
 * (14:50:08) KV: And you did not lose your job?
 * (14:51:45) Adela Lupșe: of course not-people can see me on tv every day;;)
 * (14:52:19) Adela Lupșe: even this morning I had a show
 * (14:53:00) KV: So what did you do when you found that over 1 000 000 people had seen this video of you?
 * (14:54:04) Adela Lupșe: this is a pretty impressive number-i have to admit i was happy:)
 * (14:55:29) KV: What do you think, though, about some of the things they say, like "crazy"?
 * (14:56:53) Adela Lupșe: I think it is normal that people have prejudicies ,everyone is free to express his opinion in the same way that I;m free to do my job the best that I can!:)
 * (14:57:21) KV: you are not hurt by it?
 * (14:59:08) Adela Lupșe: I'm hurt if my family is unhappy with people's comments but I think I gain the wisdom to ignore the negative feedback!:0;;)
 * (14:59:47) KV: was your family unhappy?
 * (15:00:28) Adela Lupșe: unhappy with some of the comments
 * (15:02:18) KV: that's too bad :(
 * (15:02:53) Adela Lupșe: indeed:)
 * (15:03:52) KV: The most common thing people say on the Internet about you is "crazy" -- but the second most common is "sexy". How do you feel about being seen like this?
 * (15:06:13) Adela Lupșe: I think also I'm a little bit carzy so it's all good:)
 * (15:07:05) KV: and a little bit sexy too?
 * (15:07:51) Adela Lupșe: what do you think?
 * (15:08:22) KV: I think that maybe, as a journalist, I shouldn't say ;)
 * (15:09:43) Adela Lupșe: you can express your opinion as a man also :)
 * (15:10:19) KV: I think after the interview I will express it :-D
 * (15:11:00) Adela Lupșe: you're professional-I respect that
 * (15:11:44) KV: So how has it changed your life, being so well-known on the internet? I've seen that you have had some interviews with television and radio in Romania.
 * (15:13:55) Adela Lupșe: yes,indeed I was invited in some tv shows in Romania and Hungary and people were able to see that I'm a normal,fun to be around person
 * (15:14:00) Adela Lupșe: what has changed?! not much,maybe just the fact that people recognise me on the street
 * (15:14:08) KV: does that happen often?
 * (15:14:53) Adela Lupșe: prety often ,yes:)
 * (15:15:33) KV: Does it help you get your dream?
 * (15:16:52) Adela Lupșe: I certainly hope so
 * (15:17:16) KV: and what is that dream? What will Adela Lupse be doing in five years?
 * (15:18:47) Adela Lupșe: She will have her own talk show in a national channel:)
 * (15:20:43) KV: OK :) This is the main part of the interview done, I will have a few more questions in a minute. Is there anything else you'd like to talk about for the news?
 * (15:22:54) Adela Lupșe: plis send me on email and i answear you letter
 * (15:22:55) Adela Lupșe: pls
 * (15:23:18) KV: ok, what is your e-mail address?
 * (15:23:27) Adela Lupșe: *************
 * (15:23:40) KV: OK :)
 * (15:23:57) KV: a few short things...first, what is the name of your call-in show? In both Romanian and English.
 * (15:24:50) Adela Lupșe: I told you that I host more than one show
 * (15:25:19) KV: ah, yes, of course. The name of the show you are famous for, then.
 * (15:26:28) Adela Lupșe: one is Ring-Ring, another one, Telepremii, or, Fantastik premii
 * (15:26:36) Adela Lupșe: it's the last one that I mentioned
 * (15:27:22) KV: OK. Also, the name in Romanian of Daughter In Law for Mom?
 * (15:27:29) KV: sorry, I know this is the boring part :)
 * (15:28:01) Adela Lupșe: :) DONT WORRY!:)
 * (15:28:08) Adela Lupșe: it's "Nora pentru mama"
 * (15:29:24) KV: OK. now, for photos. there is a form you must sign to let us use your photos, I will send it to you, just signing on e-mail is OK
 * (15:29:44) KV: but I must have the photos first, so I will e-mail you now to say hello
 * (15:30:05) Adela Lupșe: ok
 * (15:30:21) KV: you can send as many photos as you like but we will probably use only one for the article
 * (15:31:59) KV: I will write up a draft of the article and when it's ready I'll show it to you to see if you are happy with it. I will have to make some changes to what you say for best English, things like that, but I will try not to change the meaning
 * (15:32:58) Adela Lupșe: sounds good
 * (15:33:14) KV: Good :)
 * (15:33:39) KV: So, the interview is over, and thank you very much for doing this with me :)
 * (15:36:35) Adela Lupșe: thank you,maybe some day we can do an interview face to face;;)

E-mail of 22 February 09
Hello Adela, also, here is the draft text of the article. I have a few questions: - Antena 1. -   - Poiana, - More chanels, Antena 1, Prima tv, National tv,
 * What network is Fantastik Premii on??
 * What is the name of the village you grew up in??
 * What is the name of the television studio you work in now
 * What town is that studio in Budapesta, Hungaria.

this is the answear, of the quastions. have anice day by by :):*:*

E-mail of 22 February
is 06 DECEMBER, 2008, and TELEPREMII, ON NATIONAL TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


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Bulgarian chess grandmaster attempts to break chess record

February 22, 2009

Kiril Georgiev, a Bulgarian chess grandmaster, began playing 360 simultaneous games of chess on Saturday, in an attempt to break the world record for the most games played simultaneously. The games are being hosted at the Inter Expo Centre in Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria.

The current record for the largest number of simultaneous games belongs to the Hungarian-American grandmaster Susan Polgar, who played 326 games in 2005, losing three games, drawing fourteen, and winning the other 309.

To beat that record, Georgiev must win at least four-fifths of his games.

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At least 73 dead after blast in Chinese coal mine

February 22, 2009

According to the Chinese state news agency Xinhua, no less than 73 miners have been killed and a further 113 hospitalised after a gas blast in a coal mine in China on Sunday. The incident occurred before dawn in the mine in Gujiao City, located in the Shanxi province. 436 miners were underground in the mine at the time.

Xinhua stated that 340 of the miners had been rescued following the explosion, 21 of which are reported to have sustained serious injuries.

The mine belongs to the Shanxi Jiaomei Group, which is the country's largest producer of coking coal, and operates 28 mines.

China's mining industry is the most dangerous in the world, with 3,200 fatalities recorded in 2008. The safety record is improving, however, as that figure is a 15 percent decrease over the previous year.


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Hi! Its now 2 pm here in the Philippines. This news is developing and now, 44 dead.You may amend the title and add more. Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 05:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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I can't find the original Xinhua article the other articles reference. --Killing Vector (talk) 11:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


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It is disgusting that in todays society people look at who they can blame for adversity.

People really need to understand that s#it happens and s#it happens to YOU. No one is to blame, people are only mortal and it is hard to fathom what may come. Sometimes we get it wrong. If you build or buy in a high risk area than why should you not be liable for the risks?

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Number of cholera cases in Zimbabwe reaches 80,000

February 22, 2009 According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), a cholera epidemic in the African country of Zimbabwe has now infected over 80,200 people. The epidemic is the worst cholera outbreak in Africa for fifteen years.

The United Nations agency stated that approximately half of all the patients that died of the disease did not reach any of the 365 cholera treatment centers located in the country.

Since the outbreak began in August of last year, over 80,000 people have been infected and 3,759 people have died from the disease in Zimbabwe as of February 19. That compared with 3,172 deaths out of 78,882 cases that were recorded as of Tuesday.

The WHO said that the epidemic has spread to nearby states, with significant numbers of cases reported in Zambia, Malawi, and Mozambique.

South Africa, which is Zimbabwe's neighbor to the south, also reported incidents of cholera, but has managed to limit the number of fatalities to less than 1% out of all people infected.


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Brazil's Embraer plans to cut around 4,200 jobs

February 23, 2009

Brazilian aerospace conglomerate Empresa Brasileira de Aeronáutica, S. A. (Embraer) has revealed plans to cut around twenty percent of the company's workforce of 21,362 people. Twenty percent is over 4,200, but Embraer have not revealed exact numbers.

The firm has also scaled back predictions for deliveries and revenue. Estimated delivery figures for 2009 now stand at 242 airliners and corporate jets, compared to the previous number of 270, in the second downwards revision of Embraer of their delivery figures for this year within three months. Revenue for 2009 is now predicted to be US$5.5 billion, down thirteen percent from the previous estimate of US$6.3 billion.

Embraer is the world's fourth-largest airframer, following Airbus, Boeing and Bombardier. Embraer stock fell 1.9% after the announcement, or 16 centavos, to 8.46 reais in São Paulo. Over the last twelve months Embraer stock has fallen 55%. The manufacturer also produces military aircraft, but statistics for these are not published. In December, the Metalworkers Union of São José dos Campos, claimed the firm planned to cut 4,000 jobs, which Embraer at the time denied. Embraer said they would only take "such a drastic decision if there are risks to the company’s profitability and sustainability." The new statement said that production and administration would take the brunt of the cuts, with engineers retained to continue product development.

The company described the decision as vital given "the new reality of demand for commercial and executive aircraft," and noted that "over 90 percent of its revenues are generated abroad. Therefore, the resiliency that the Brazilian domestic market has been demonstrating through the crisis does not significantly alter this adverse scenario."

The official news agency Agência Brasil reported that Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was upset by the layoffs. He will meet with company directors next week and wants Embraer to explain the decision.


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Based on the danger involved with such work, one would think that pay would increase for such laborours.


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Over a dozen injured, one killed in bomb blast in Egypt

February 22, 2009 At least 20 people have been injured and one has been killed in a bomb blast targeting 'Western tourists' in Cairo, Egypt. The Egyptian Health Ministry reported that a 17-year-old French girl was killed and 13 French, one German and three Saudis tourists, as well as four Egyptians, have been wounded.

The blast occurred at approximately 6:20 p.m. local time inside a cafe near a mosque in the Khan el-Khalili marketplace which is popular with foreign tourists. Authorities say the bomb was placed under a bench.

A second bomb was found, but was defused before it exploded.

Egyptian medical officials said they expect several of the injured to be released from hospital treatment on Monday.

The bombing has caused concern for Cairo authorities, who saw the tourist industry devastated by bombings and shootings by Islamic militants in the 1990s.

The same marketplace was the target of a previous suicide attack in 2005 in which three people were killed and 18 injured. The Khan el-Khalili marketplace is one of Cairo's biggest tourist attractions and has a history dating back to 1382.


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I've been right where the bomb went off. By 'right where it went off', I mean I saw the exact section on Sky News, and it is the exact spot our coach stopped at to drop us off. Slightly scary now... Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


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450 USD is an average monthly wage not yearly wage in Romania.

Puff piece
Call-in quiz shows are among the most immoral legal enterprises. The presenter's job is to whip viewers into a frenzy and trick them into thinking they have a good chance of winning a prize if they make a call to an expensive telephone number. Questions are typically either laughably simple or improbably hard. In the first case, the hectoring from the presenter goes on seemingly forever while no calls come in, so that viewers who know the answer get the (mistaken) impression that they can be the first to call in with the right answer. In the second case, the phone keeps ringing off the hook with "plausible" answers but no one ever gets it right.

It's a multi-million scam that thrives on exploiting the gullibility of uncritical people. The presenter's histrionics are standard fare for this kind of show.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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This should be taken out from the Hungary category. She is completely unknown in Hungary. —Alensha (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


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Comments:California's violent video game ban law ruled unconstitutional by US Court of Appeals

The courts are destroying this country. Free speech? Bullshit! --71.190.89.16 22:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd be the first to decry the insane brand of censorship advocated by nutters like Jack Thompson, but this seemed like a genuinely sensible law. I'm not sure where free speech comes into the rating of games by the ESRB. --128.243.253.113 10:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad parenting shouldn't result in stifling free speech
Of course the ban is unconstitutional. People don't want kids playing M-rated games? It's the 100% responsibility of the parents to make sure their kids don't play them, ESPECIALLY if the kid can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

I certainly don't think that banning violent games is a free speech violation. I think the ruling was that the law was too general and could have been used for more than just that. Anyway, kids who want violent games will find a way to get violent games, and I agree with above that the parents can do a lot more than the government. Wtachi (talk) 19:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The government spending money on something like this would be a complete waste of time and effort, since if kids WANT these games, they'll find a way to get it. It really is up to the parents to deal with it, because it would be absolutely futile to stop it with government action. And you can make studies to prove basically anything when it comes to biology or psychology. Everyone underestimates children's minds anyway, they KNOW it's fake. --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 22:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

those silly californians
they'll ban anything if they think it's for the greater good. --Philip Laurence (talk) 22:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, like diesel cars wtf is up with that?--CnrFallon (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They have a ban on diesel cars? Fephisto (talk) 11:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Of course banning violent games is a violation of free speech. Also, banning violent games is as futile as banning alcohol or tobacco: if they want it, they will find a way to get it. 97.124.7.61 14:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

THE FUCK ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL THAT THEY BAN GREAT GAMES THAT EDUMACATE OUR FELLOW CITIZENS (particularally of the ages of 13 to mid 20s) ABOUT VIOLENCE! FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS IS A GREAT WAY TO LEARN ABOUT MODERN FIREARMS OF THE MODERN AGE AND WORLD WAR II GAMES TEACH OUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE PAST. JEEZ...

What child has been harmed?
Can the authors of this nuisance bill show that even a single child was actually harmed by exposure to violent game content? The issue of violence in video games is low-hanging fruit for lazy lawmakers who want to showboat their "tireless protection of children". It's much easier to write a bill banning games than to do the hard work solving real societal problems like the collapsing economy, or a state being overrun by illegal aliens. --Phileusfogg (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

WHY IS BUSINESS PROTECTED?
It's curious that there are endless constraints on free speech that nobody attends to. We are not allowed to advocate violent overthrow of the government. Free speech? We are not allowed to use certain expletives on public TV or radio. Free speech? Children are not allowed to 'tattle' in school. Free speech? When it is the people or children who want to talk, free speech is not protected. But when it is Big Business, then suddenly the First Amendment is invoked. Restricting sale of alcohol to minors does slow down the exposure of children to alcohol! Why wouldn't restricting the sale of violence to them work to to effect the same results. Rowena Wilhelmina

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GTA IV doesn't reward you if you kill cops civilians, etc. Get your facts straight you ignorant whore. —71.32.113.242 (talk) 19:14, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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I have finally gotten to see exactly what the law states and what it is.... Also, whoever wrote this kept their neutrality in the issue at hand. —75.135.73.200 (talk) 16:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

DAT IS ALL FREDOOM OF SPEECH! and freedom for U.S. citizens on the amandments!! its a way of expressing your feelings. and it helps. if u r mad at something u can play a shotting game and throw the stress away by killing bitches on the game and not doing it on real life. Now i do understand that some ppl pplay too much that they obviously might be like really crazy, but its just dat they cant ban violent video games from EVERYBODY. the amandmants have all rights and written clearly for defense on NOT banning violent video games as a FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

The blame is not the parents
It's the same thing seems to tell a lie, saying that it is parents who must have control of the children it is not so. If something will harm a country is the duty of this country to eliminate such harm, those responsible for spreading terror they were exactly those game makers, they are responsible, not the parents, and if at the least they could have a little imagination and think if those things having to do with violence like we were today? It does not mean a cottage to live in family and well, but parents must also take responsibility for purchases and is not in the games, because they have no guilt that a game is just shove the child's head and she insists to have that game even if it is an eternity. Here the victims healthy parents, because they are almost forced to buy and all the fault of the companies that make these games come out and be on sale to buy, I just like to know how these game creators are after the play or to create, surely must feel like "drugged. "

Fight to stop the violence? Perhaps be part of the solution...
To make the change Senator Yee desires, be the change and support the solutions. In my case, I started a game studio focused on quality family entertainment including our first game Jerry Rice & Nitus' Dog Football. We produce products you can be happy your kids are interacting with and provide you an opportunity to play along with your kids. I recommend those against violent video games buy a copy and tell their friends to do so... then we will make more products like these. :) A bonus would be if Obama would fix the Accredited Investor requirements so that people who wish to invest in our company would be allowed to do so... you know... support that whole "support small business" and "opportunity for wealth for all" concept he claims to believe in...  www.judobaby.com


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If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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New News. What will happen to newspapers/news magazines as budgets shrink?

UK article via @jemimakiss MediaGuardian >> Will newspapers charge for online content? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/feb/23/newspapers-online-content

Dave's article calling for the overhaul of news http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/02/22/aPostscriptToTodaysPiece.html

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Australian state of Queensland will go to the polls on March 21

February 26, 2009 The Premier of the Australian state of Queensland has announced that the state will have its election on Saturday, March 21. In an address on YouTube, Anna Bligh of the Australian Labor Party said that she called the election due to the state of the economy and to stabilise the government.

"It's time for Queensland to settle this election. It's time to settle the speculation. So that government, business and the community can get on with the task at hand and not be distracted and destabilised by looming elections," Ms Bligh said in the statement.

Ms Bligh has recently denied that she would call an early election.

"I have always said that I want my government to run the full term and I have not changed my view on this lightly," she said.

"After 11 years in office, Ms Bligh only cares about one job: her own," said Lawrence Springborg head of the Liberal National Party (LNP) and the Leader of the Opposition. "Queensland deserves better. Over the next 27 days, the LNP will build on our vision for the Queensland we all deserve." The Opposition need to pick up at least twenty seats from the government to overcome the significant Labor majority and a number of independents.

"It is a sad legacy of economic management and mismanagement of the Labor Government that after 11 years of the rivers of gold, our state is broke," Mr Springborg said. "It's a little bit like lighting a fire and then running around and wanting credit for putting it out."

A March 21 election gives candidates twenty six day to campaign. This is just within the legal requirements. The Queensland Electoral Act (1992) requires the election campaign to last between 26 and 56 days.

The Queensland Greens nominated an environmental lawyer to run against treasurer Andrew Fraser.

"We can tackle climate change and create long-term jobs, but Labor can't see that because they are blinded by the interests of their big donors - the urban development and coal industries," says Larrisa Waters, the Greens candidate for Mt-Cootha.

"The Greens want to give the community and the environment a voice back in State Parliament."

"The current stance taken by both major parties, in relation to Daylight Saving in Queensland, is outdated, out of touch and inflexible. South East Queenslanders are frustrated that neither major party is currently prepared to explore options on the issue of Daylight Saving", DS4SEQ party leader Jason Furze told Wikinews on January 30. DS4SEQ is a single-issue party, focused on the debate on daylight saving time.

Indigenous activist Sam Watson will be contesting the South Brisbane electorate which is currently held by the premier. He will represent the Socialist Alliance. Watson campaigned heavly for indigenous rights since the 1970s and was a community spokesperson following the death of Mulrunji Doomadgee in 2004.


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The Original Research is from the previous articles, namely Wikinews interviews Daylight Saving for South East Queensland Party about the upcoming Queensland State election and DS4SEQ discusses daylight savings in Queensland with Wikinews. --RockerballAustralia (talk) 08:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I am not keen on the only OR aspect of this being former articles. Further, I wonder why it is treated as if Labor, Greens and DS4SEQ are the only parties to this election. --SVTCobra 00:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews interviews Daylight Saving for South East Queensland Party about the upcoming Queensland State election
From: "Jason Furze"

To: "Patrick Gillett"

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:45 PM

Subject: Re: Interview

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for taking an interest in the DS4SEQ Party. I have provided answers, which can be found below each of the questions. If you would like further information, please don't hesistate to contact me.

1. Why do you want to form gavernment?

DS4SEQ would like to gain a sizeable percentage of the primary vote and win a number of seats. As we are a single issue party, voting for us will send a clear message to the major parties and that is: when it comes to the issue of daylight saving, the people of South East Queensland have ben ignored for too long, and a dual time zone arrangement must be implemented.

2. What are the three main policies you will take into this election? DS4SEQ is a single issue political party, with the sole policy being: to have Daylight Saving Time introduced into the South East Queensland region, under a dual time zone arrangement aligned to Australian Eastern Daylight Time. Daylight Saving is a lifestyle and business choice and one that the majority of South East Queenslanders would like to have. We acknowledge that there are many important issues facing the State of Queensland, however, DS4SEQ do not believe that this is a valid reason to ignore the majority voice who support daylight saving.

3. How will you address thes policies? The dual time zone concept that DS4SEQ is proposing is a well thought out compromise to the current situation that obviously does not work. The dual time zone boundary is formed by the inclusion of 15 local council areas and provides a respectful view towards regional and rural Queenslanders, whilst also giving consideration tot he view of the majority of residents in South East Queensland. This will allow regional and rural Queensland to continue to operate on Australian Eastern Standard time, whilst the South East Queensland region adopts Daylight Saving Time for 6 months of the year.

4. Who will lead your party if you gain more than one or two seats in parliament? Jason Furze is the elected Party Leader

5. If you can't form government, who would you like to see do so? DS4SEQ do not offer an opinion of which Party may form the next State Government. However, what we would like to see, is for both major parties to change their thinking about Daylight Saving in Queensland, and seriously consider a dual time zone arrangement for 6 months of the year.

6. What should Queenslanders keep in mind, when heading to the polls? Vote # 1 DS4SEQ and number 2 whicher party you would like to govern the state. Voting DS4SEQ number 1, will not be a wasted vote, because if the Party gains a sizeable percentage of the primary vote, winning a few seats along the way, this will allow us to convince the major parties to change their thinking on the issue of daylight saving. As demonstrated by the 2007 Queensland Government research, about 70% of constituents within South East Queensland are in favour of daylight saving. State-wide, those who are against are now the minority, and mostly reside in the regional and rural districts outside of the DS4SEQ proposed daylight saving region. It has been 17 years since the people of Queensland have had a say on daylight saving, and in this time there has been a major shift in community attitudes demonstrating an increase in support. "It's About Time!" that the people of South East Queensland had a voice on this issue. South East Queensland we are your voice, and "It's About Time!"

Regards, Jason Furze Party Leader Daylight Saving for South East Queensland Party

DS4SEQ discusses daylight savings in Queensland with Wikinews
From: "Jason Furze"

To: "Patrick Gillett"

Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2009 4:43 PM

Subject: Re: Interview

1. Why have daylight saving in only part of the state instead of the whole state?

Daylight Saving in Queensland appears to be a geographical issue. The results of the 1992 Referendum show that the concept was favoured by 51 (out of 89) electorates, all of which were located in the South East Queensland Region. In 2007, the Queensland Government commissioned AC Nielsen to undertake research. The results of this research indicated that 69% of respondants in the South East Queensland region were in favour of Daylight Saving, with only 20% opposed. This research also indicated that 59% of respondants outside of the South East region were opposed to Daylight Saving being introduced into their region. Overall those opposed to daylight saving in Queensland has decreased from 54.5% in 1992 to only 34% against, according to the Nielsen findings. South East Queensland businesses are also overwhelmingly in favour of having Daylight Saving introduced into the region.

As Daylight Saving is not favoured outside of the South East Queensland region, DS4SEQ believe that a dual time zone is a compromise that respects the needs of regional and rural Queenslanders, while also giving fair consideration to the view of the majority of residents in South East Queensland.

2. What benefits would daylight saving have for Southe East Queensland?

By moving the time of the clock against the natural occurring solar movement, Daylight Saving provides allowance for an hour less sunlight in the very early morning, when about 80% of people are sleeping, and provide an hour more sunlight in the evening, which can the be utilised. Benefits that can be gained from the introduction of daylight saving into South East Queensland are:

* Promotes more of an outdoor lifestyle * Allows more time for outdoor family activities * Allows more time to perform outdoor garden activities e.g. mowing the lawn * Provides a positive effect on health * Improved safety and security for evening leisure activities and public transport * Promotes tourism * Increases economic efficiences for majority of business dealings from South East Queensland * Studies have suggested that, in the long term, Daylight Saving can reduce traffic accidents and road fatalities.

3. How soon would you like to see a referendum on the issue of dayligh saving?

DS4SEQ are not advocating a referendum. DS4SEQ's political goal is to convince the major parties to change their thinking about Daylight Saving in Queensland, to adapt to Queensland's changing landscape and "It's About Time!" that serious consideration was given to our dual time zone concept.

4. What questions would you like see on the ballot paper for said referendum?

As per the previous question, DS4SEQ are not advocating a referendum, but seeking a revised policy on Daylight Saving in Queensland, by both major parties, to seriously consider a dual time zone arrangement for 6 months of the year.

5. Will DS4SEQ keep campaigning for daylight saving in South Eas Queensland if you don't get any seats in parliament?

The current stance taken by both major parties, in relation to Daylight Saving in Queensland, is outdated, out of touch and inflexible. South East Queenslanders are frustrated that neither major party is currently prepared to explore options on the issue of Daylight Saving.

Whilst DS4SEQ is aiming to win seats in the Queensland Parliament, we believe that gaining a sizeable percentage of the primary vote will send the key message to the major parties that they can no longer ignore: When it comes to the issue of Daylight Saving, the people of South East Queensland have been ignored for too long, and a dual time zone arrangement must be implemented.

With a sizeable percentage of the vote achieved, DS4SEQ will be able to lobby the Government and Opposition, with evidence that constituents are demanding Daylight Saving to be implemented within the South East Queensland region.

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As you are keen on getting this published, I resolved to move the links to articles to "Related news". From there they can be used just like sources. Additionally, I attributed the OR quotes to Wikinews. I think this is more than just a work-around, but probably how this should be handled in the future. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


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February 23, 2009 For the next few days, a newly discovered, green-tinted comet will be visible by the naked eye in most parts of the Northern Hemisphere. Comet Lulin, with the official designation of C/2007 N3, was discovered in 2007 and astronomers say that this is the first time it has visited our solar system and may well be the last.

As it makes its way around the Sun, an astonishing 800 gallons (3 m3) of water will evaporate from the comet every second. In each 15 minute period, it will shed enough water to fill an Olympic sized swimming pool. It will come within 38 million miles of Earth at its closest pass, making it visible to the naked eye and even clearer with binoculars or a telescope.

The best viewing time for people living in the northern hemisphere is after midnight when Lulin will be at its highest point in the sky, or 40 degrees from the morning horizon. Current estimates peg the maximum brightness at 4th or 5th magnitude, which means dark country skies would be required to see it. No one can say for sure, however, because this is Lulin's first visit.

Astronomers from NASA and the United Kingdom will use the Swift Telescope to study the comet and its composition. Astronomers also say to see it while you can because this could be the first and only time it passes through our solar system. It's estimated that if it returns, it will not be for another 1,000,000 years.

"We won't be able to send a space probe to [the comet], but Swift is giving us some of the information we would get from just such a mission," said Jenny Carter, at the University of Leicester in England, who is leading the study.

The comet was discovered using the Lulin Observatory in Taiwan by astronomers Ye Quanzhi and Lin Chi-Sheng.


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Guantanamo captive returned to the United Kingdom

February 23, 2009

Guantanamo captive Benyam Mohammed was returned to the United Kingdom on February 23, 2009 after years of negotiation. Benyam Mohammed's case stirred controversy for years. He was a legal resident of the United Kingdom who had come to the UK as a refugee from Ethiopia when he was a child. He explained that he had traveled to Afghanistan in an attempt to quit a drug habit he acquired in the UK.

He claimed that all the very serious allegations that he reportedly confessed to were extracted while he was being tortured. He had claimed that he wasn't held in military custody when he was first captured, stating instead that the CIA had temporarily transferred him to a brutal prison in Morocco where the interrogation techniques included mutilating his genitals. He later spent time in the CIA's network of secret interrogation centres including "The Dark Prison".

The Bush administration eventually stopped denying that he had spent considerable time in CIA custody prior to his transfer to Guantanamo. They continued to deny he had been tortured. He faced the allegation that he had plotted with José Padilla and Majid Khan to explode a dirty bomb — a radiological weapon — in the United States.

He was one of the two dozen Guantanamo captives to face charges before a Guantanamo military commission. He was charged twice in late 2005 before a presidentially authorized commission. Two years after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned the original presidentially authorized military commissions he was charged again before a military commission authorized by the Military Commissions Act.

His lawyers initiated legal proceedings through the United Kingdom's justice system to compel the UK government to release to them its role in his detention. The Office of Military Commissions dropped the charges against him in October 2008. Benyam Mohammed was reported to have engaged in a hunger strike as a protest during the last months of his detention. His lawyers claimed his weight had dropped to a level where he was just "skin and bones", fainted during their meetings with him, and that his health was at serious risk.

All of the British citizens held in Guantanamo were repatriated by 2005. Seven long term British residents were not returned to the UK. Initially it was the British position that they had no responsibility for individuals who weren't citizens. When British resident Bisher al-Rawi's story that he had been an MI5 informant started to be confirmed, there was public pressure for his return.

In 2006, a frustrated member of the team negotiating Al Rawi's return leaked that the process had become stalled because the Americans were insisting that they would only release Al Rawi if the United Kingdom was prepared to accept all the former British residents and keep them under round the clock surveillance. After his repatriation to the United Kingdom Mohammed spent a few hours being debriefed by British security officials before he was set free. Three former British residents remain in detention in Guantanamo: Shaker Aamer, Ahmed Beltacha and Farhi Saeed bin Mohammed.


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I am only an occasional contributor to wikinews.

I have found, in my earlier contributions, that the wikinews long established contributors often don't explain their concerns in a helpful way that would enable me to address their concerns.

So, please, if you have a concern, I would really appreciate it if you explained yourself here.

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 20:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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A google of the ".mil" domain finds 650 hits under Office of Military Commissions.

A google of the ".mil" domain finds only 13 hits under the singular form

Each captive who is charged gets a separate commission.

So I changed the article to reflect this.

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US stock markets fall to lowest levels since 1997

February 24, 2009 Three major United States stock market indexes closed at their lowest levels in over a decade on Monday, amidst declining investor confidence and worries that the government will nationalize the banks.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 3.41%, or 251.4 points, to end the day at 7,114.3, its lowest level since October 1997. The Standard and Poor's 500 index lost 26 points or 3.5% to a level of 743.33, its lowest level since April 1997. The Russel 2000 Index of smaller companies dropped by four percent.

The three stock market indexes have been falling for the last six days.

The Nasdaq Composite index lost 53.5 points, or 3.71%, closing at 1,387.7. However, the index remained above its November 20, 2008 low of 1316.12.

Despite the worries about the banks, bank shares climbed today. Bank of America shares rose by 3.2%, whilst Citigroup gained 9.7%. However, stocks for both banks have plunged more than 68% this year-to-date.

"People left and right are throwing in the towel. The biggest thing I see here is the incredible pessimism — the government is doing a lousy job of alleviating fears," said Keith Springer of Capital Financial Advisory Services.

"Many investors simply can’t contemplate any more stock market risk in their portfolios. Sentiment in the market is very weak and negative," said the senior market strategist for Invesco AIM, Fritz Meyer.


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I live in New York City, and the lights here make it impossible for me to see it. --71.190.94.192 23:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know of a web service that can point me in the right direction from my location? the article says 40 degrees from the horizon but not which direction. Could it be in the direction of the sunrise? --79.176.130.251 14:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


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AU peacekeepers killed in Somalia, Islamists vow more attacks

February 24, 2009

On Sunday, suicide bombers killed 11 African Union (AU) peacekeepers in Somalia and injured at least 15 others. Two bombers drove a truck loaded with explosives into the AU camp housing Burundi soldiers in Mogadishu and detonated it.

"These attacks have reached today an unprecedented level, resulting in the killing of 11 Burundian soldiers, while 15 others have sustained serious injuries," the African Union said in a statement. Troops were unloading supplies for their camp when militants drove a truck into the camp, then detonating it.

"Attacks by these evil forces will not deter Burundi or the African Union to help Somalis. We will reinforce our contingent with material and personnel," the Burundi government said. Al-Shabaab, a Somali militia, claimed responsibility. The group's leader, Mukhtar Robow, issued a statement after the attack warning residents and troops to "go home, otherwise you will meet our hell". Al-Shabaab is considered to be formed from remnants of the Islamic Courts Union (ICU). The group claims that at least 52 people were killed and 34 others injured in the suicide attack.

"This is our land and you are non-believers," read an Al-Shabaab statement in Somali on a website used by the militants. "Leave us for your safety or we shall never tire of increasing your death toll." The site showed images of the alleged militants responsible for the attack.

Recently, other Islamist groups have pledged loyalty to President Sharif Ahmed, also formerly of the ICU, though considered a moderate. Al-Shabaab has rejected his government, which won a January 31 election.

"They are trying to destabilize the situation and take away attention from the good news," said Susannah Price, a spokesperson for the United Nations.

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This is showing the fact that US is still reeling under the heat of economic downfall and it will take more time that has been speculated by experts. Tiding over this situation is not an easy task. Hope Obamba will bring the much discussed change. Hope it will.
 * It can be worse, thank god it's not. Too much capitalism and a short view have made this, blame those who own everything.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.160.34 (talk) 11:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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Philippines is culling 6500 hogs after Reston ebolavirus outbreak

March 6, 2009 The Philippine (DA), local health and agricultural teams Sunday have started roughly 6,500 hogs at a farm in,  in  on Sunday after three farm workers became infected with  (ERV) of the virus group , as a precautionary measure and to protect the local livestock industry.

"We culled around 300 heads—piglets and growers—in two and a half hours; we tried to start the process at 5 p.m. Sunday; after three hours we disposed of 442 hogs; that includes transporting the hogs to an area in the farm where they will be disposed of; with this rate and with some improvements in the procedure tomorrow, we expect to complete the depopulation by Wednesday,” Bureau of Animal Industry (BAI) head Davinio Catbagan said. "With the problems we encountered last night, we may go beyond Thursday," he added.

But according to Dr. Eric Tayag, the 56-man team's five captive bolts used in stunning the pigs malfunctioned, for which reason, they decided use instead. "We need to finish this off because sometimes it rains," he said. But due to other problems, 12 policemen were ordered to use instead guns for  80-120 kilograms pigs. The pig depopulation in the Pandi farm has reached 1,237 Tuesday amid strong rains as schedules have been set from 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. and from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. daily, Cecilia Yacob, head of the Bulacan Provincial Public Affairs Office, said.

Monday's culling was witnessed by representatives from the (FAO), the  (WHO), animal welfare observers, Bulacan Gov. Joselito Mendoza and Pandi Mayor Roberto Oca. The slaughter has been estimated to cost 16 million (₱), which include hog farm owners' compensation and the cost of culling for five to seven days.

"As of late Tuesday the depopulation teams have culled 2,663 pigs, compared to 442 on Sunday, 795 on Monday and 1,426 on Tuesday; as of early afternoon on Wednesday, the numbers have reached 3,482," said Dr. Davinio Catbagan. According to Agriculture Secretary Arthur C. Yap, the culling team has slaughtered 2,078 pigs, bringing the total to 4,741 on Wednesday. The number of hogs had increased to 6,500 from 6,000 as some mother pigs gave birth amid the depopulation.

But according to Dr. Joy Gomez, provincial public health officer of Bulacan, six members of the depopulation team at the Pandi "Win Farm" have complained of fatigue, headache and dizziness, and have been closely observed by a team of doctors.

The state will compensate the farmers, however "it cannot be [100% of the market price.] A range of about 25%-50%, but it has to be discussed [with the farm owner]. At 25%-50%, the government may pay the farm owner ₱6.28 million-15.625 million, plus the cost of animal culling operations," said Yap.

A test to check the virus' presence was conducted by the  (US-CDC) to verify ongoing transmission. "Of 160 pig blood samples that were positive for antibodies, 133 came from Bulacan and 27 from Pangasinan as reported by RITM. Those from Bulacan were traced to pigs at different age groups while those in Pangasinan were found in sows and just one piglet. This means that there is on going viral transmission in Bulacan but past infection with recovery was the case in Pangasinan,” Yap explained.

The agriculture officials earlier announced that the will be carried out in a "humane" manner, following current  (OIE) procedures that ensure protection of animal welfare in the Bulacan farm. According to (DOH) Secretary, the quarantine of the hog farm in Palauig,  has been lifted after finding no traces of viral transmission.

According to Yap, test results conducted by a joint mission of FAO, the, WHO and their local counterparts, reveal that viral transmission continues to exist in Pandi hog farms, which is only 0.5% of the 13 million pigs raised throughout the country.

DOH officials also say a pig farm worker in in, who had no direct contact with sick hogs, has tested positive for   against the Reston ebolavirus, which is non-lethal, unlike the , ,  and  strains, according to FAO.

"The additional positive human sample, showed signs of antibodies for Ebola Reston, was traced to a slaughterhouse male worker and was not sick during visits by the investigation team. He does not recall any direct contact with sick pigs but remembers having flu-like sickness in the past twelve months," a DOH statement said, also confirming four pig farm workers and a butcher from Bulacan and Pangasinan tested positive for the antibodies last month.

"Ebola Reston poses a low risk to human health at this time," said DOH Secretary Dr. Duque. "147 human samples have been tested for Ebola, but only six have tested positive. But stay away from , and half-cooked pork," he added. The laboratory tests of 147 blood samples from workers in the affected areas were conducted by the (RITM) and the US-CDC. RITM has also reported that "1039 pig blood samples collected by the expert mission yielded negative results on ," the DOH said.

The 24 other workers tested were all found negative for ERV infection. "To date, all close contacts of humans with positive anti-bodies who were tested remained anti-body-free signifying absence of illness in affected humans that can lead to possible human-to-human transmission," Dr. Duque said. The RITM and the US-CDC also tested 160 pig blood samples: 133 of which came from the Bulacan farm and 27 from the Pangasinan farm; of the 133 blood samples from Bulacan, 19 tested positive for ERV; none of 27 samples from Pangasinan were affected.

Global experts said they will continue to conduct research studies of the Ebola strain to determine how it can be controlled. FAO of the United Nations has initially committed ₱10 million to buy additional kits. "We support the Bureau of Animal Industry to expand surveillance in other areas," said Kazuyuki Tsurumi, FAO representative in the Philippines. "We have not committed any amount of money... [but] we are ready to support a wider surveillance and capacity-building for more tests," Tsurumi explained.

"We can't speculate. We don't know the source of this virus, how it's being transmitted. We're studying that," said Soe Nyunt-U, WHO Representative in the Philippines. "Our current issue is that the test kits are limited because we are depending on the [United States] CDC [Center for Disease Control and Prevention] to send those kits. If we are going to extend the surveillance both in the animal and human side, we need more test kits," he added.

Both the DA and DOH officials have decided to expand the scope of the testing for the Reston ebolavirus by inspecting and monitoring hog farms in the whole of, , and  province after the culling of the 6,500 pigs.

"As a precautionary measure, while there are many questions left unanswered, these ERV-contaminated pigs should be extinguished so we can move forward and study the virus," said BAI Director Davinio "Dave" Catbagan.

"In six months we might be finished testing Regions 3 and 4 depending on the assurance of the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention [in, USA] to give test kits. In Region 3 alone, the government would need to test farms in 566 villages that would require around 36,000 kits, but the country only has 10,000 kits" Mr. Catbagan said. "The expanded tests will cover the provinces of Aurora, Bataan, Bulacan, Nueva Ecija, Pampanga, Tarlac and Zambales in Central Luzon, and Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal and Quezon in Calabarzon," Mr. Catbagan added.

Mr. Catbagan has assured infected hog farm owners in Pandi they would be properly indemnified after the country's first large-scale animal depopulation process. "We are finalizing the indemnification contract. But we will make sure the indemnification would not be open to abuse," he said. Fatteners and piglets cost an average of ₱3,000-4,000 per head, boars cost ₱25,000-30,000, and sows cost ₱14,000-15,000.

Juan Lubroth, senior officer of the Group of FAO’s Animal Health Service, has arrived on Wednesday to discuss in detail with government officials how the agency can support in the wider surveillance. The DA and DOH officials and other government agencies met last Thursday to discuss and finalize the procedure in the burning of 6,500 pigs in Pandi, Bulacan.

"The Bureau of Animal Industry and the provincial government of Bulacan, experts carrying out the ₱500,000 five-day depopulation would observe three guidelines, namely: the main disposal, water safety, and environment protection. The depopulation process will involve the pigs unconscious, burning them in a 6-foot deep pit, then burying them at the site. We want to make sure that our means would not violate the Animal Welfare Act. We are also ensuring that there would be no seepage," Governor Mendoza explained.

"Local authorities have decided to use and a ₱70,000  with a blunt rod to  the 6,000 pigs in Pandi, prior to  burning using rice hulls before burying them in a pit dug inside the hog farm," said Dr. Davinio Catbagan.

"About 40 health workers — clad in special hog mask suits and are tasked to facilitate the depopulation — would then dump the pigs into 10 30x30-foot pits that can accommodate 600 pigs each. The pits are located some 30 feet from the infected pig farm," said Mr Eric Tayag, head of the National Epidemiology Centre. "The cull could take up to seven days to complete," Mr Tayag added. A truckload of disinfectants was prepared amid  to be used in the burning.

The Pandi culling will be the first large-scale depopulation because of a disease, according to Samuel B. Animas, chief of BAI's animal health division. "Only one to three pigs are slaughtered at a time in backyard farms during the foot and mouth disease infection [in the 1990s]," he added.

Meanwhile, at the 18th hog farmers convention, which was launched on Monday at, the president of the National Federation of Hog Farmers, Albert R. T. Lim, Jr., said hog farmers have feared the effects of Reston ebolavirus virus on industry, since hog exports were banned due to the outbreak. "We are also apprehensive that if we keep on talking about this thing, some people might just misconstrue or misunderstand what they are talking about and people might get scared," Lim said.

The government has spent about ₱10 million to maintain the two hog farms in Bulacan and Pangasinan. "Anyway, we always have our hog producers in Mindanao to supply Luzon if necessary. I am more concerned about our exports although the Ebola scare also somewhat affected local demand," Lim said.

Amid the nationwide ERV scare and probe, local authorities have seized more than 200 of rotten pork meat at a local market in  Wednesday. officials in Maricaban district have intercepted the banned ‘hot meat’ and arrested Roberto Clet and Rafael Fruelda, who were indicted under the "Consumer Act of the Philippines." The statute punishes the illegal sale of unsafe products like double-dead meat with penalty of ₱1,000 to ₱10,000 and not less than six-months but not more than five years of imprisonment.

Local police has also arrested four vendors and seized their 3,000 kilos of "botcha" (rotten pork meat or "double dead meat") at MC Market in, Wednesday evening, and allegedly delivered from Bulacan. The four suspects were charged for violation of the Consumer Act of the Philippines and Republic Act 9296 or the Meat Inspection Code.

In December, international experts initially probed outbreak among Philippine pigs, wherein about 6,000 pigs at Pandi and farms were tested for the Reston ebolavirus.

"There is no outbreak in, Region 8, said Dr. Archie Lluz, Chief of Regional Animal Disease and Diagnostic Laboratory of the Department of Agriculture in the region. But hog specimens from  and , where 270 swine deaths and cases of sick pigs were reported, were examined by lab tests. The results revealed cutaneous , a type of bacterial infection which causes swine deaths due to loss of appetite, dehydration, fever and diarrhea.

According to the DA, sick pigs had been culled from Babatngon, Tacloban City, Alangalang, Santa Fe, Palo, Pastrana, Dagami, Burauen, Tabontabon, Lapaz, Mayorga, and Abuyog in ; Sogod in ; Catbalogan, Calbiga, Daram, and Santa Rita in ; and Lope de Vega in. Swine infections have spread to 18 towns and one city in.

The Reston ebolavirus is suspected to be a subtype of the Ebola virus or a new filovirus of Asian origin. It was first discovered in from the Philippines at a laboratory in, Virginia. The same lab then recorded an outbreak of among monkeys imported from the Philippines in 1990. The Reston ebolavirus strain was discovered among monkeys in the Philippines in 1996, and in Italy in 1992.

African strains of the virus caused deaths of about 50 percent to 90 percent of those infected with prior symptoms of lethal bleeding and organ failure, the WHO said. "Since the 1970s, scientists, veterinarians, microbiologists and physicians have been looking at thousands of species to see if they can find this elusive reservoir, and we have been pretty much empty-handed," Juan Lubroth, head of infectious diseases in the animal health unit of the Food and Agriculture Organization in Rome, explained.

"Unlike the three subtypes, Zaire, Sudan and Ivory Coast, which can cause hemorrhagic symptoms, Reston does not. There has been no evidence that Reston can cause significant illness in humans. When Reston was previously found in monkeys, few animal handlers were infected but only one had very mild symptoms," the DOH's official website announced.

In January 1997, the Philippines Department of Environment and Natural Resources ordered the immediate slaughter of some 600 monkeys in Ferlite, a breeding farm in, to prevent an outbreak of Reston ebolavirus.