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Talk:US Exchange rate a concern for Europeans

November 2004
$/Euro is actually 1.33 as I write.

Article should also mention other relevant currencies, as not all European members of the G-20 use the Euro. Notably, the GB£, which is now 1.89 to the US$.

richi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.6.230.91 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 29 November 2004

You might mention something about the fact that when the euro was just introduced, the problem was the other way around, with the euro costing around $0.85 iirc. European leaders also voiced concerns then. An article in 'de Volkskrant', a Dutch newspaper, mentioned today that they might not want a high or low price for the euro, but more control over its price. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.171.252.100 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 30 November 2004

You might wish to note that this situation has to do with the US economy not getting started up. You might also want to note that the ECB buying euros (as has been suggested) would probably make EU products cheaper to US people and make US products more expensive for EU people, but this isn't technically a problem of the central bank - it's a problem of the US economy, that isn't offering interesting products to the EU people.

You might make the point more clear - that this is economic intrevention by ECB that would hurt the consumers in the EU area because of US trade deficit. --82.181.108.168 21:30, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think this article is all right. Of course, the more delayed it is, the exchange rates are going to be off. And of course, one could take this as a starting point for some deeper thoughts about the US economy, or a comparative essay about the different currencies and their relationships. But I think it delivers its message (europeans don't like weak US$, because...) and even compares this to the chinese approach. To me, the fact that this article hasn't been published days ago is a strong argument against the peer review process as it is. IMHO, there should be a number of categories, at least one for reviewed articles and one for those not yet reviewed. Also, there could be different teams of reviewers with different approaches... But that's probably for the future. Right now, I think the exchange rate could be updated (to 1,33, according to the latest Frankfurt numbers), and then this article should be published. 80.185.185.99 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.185.185.99 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 2 December 2004

European Leaders
Which European leaders are concerned? Could someone add a citation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.3.216.94 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 4 December 2004

The final sentence of this article is ambiguous. "U.S. officials have made many comments throughout 2004 calling for China to end this practice." Which practice? Presumably, this means the practice of a fixed exchange rate undervaluing the yuan. But the immediately preceding sentence talks of China's purchases of US treasury bonds. US officials certainly haven't demanded China end THAT practice! --Christofurio 13:36, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Numbers
If the Yuan is 50% under-valued, that indicates products are 67% of actual cost (actual Yuan value is 150% current) - Amgine 21:34, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Category and link
edit protected Please add this article to Category:United States dollar and Category:Euro, and localize the links of the same name. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 22:59, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * cat'd and wized. --Pi zero (talk) 01:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


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American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother

Rachelle Waterman, (aka Rachelle Ann Monica Waterman and "smchyrocky"), a 16-year-old girl from Craig, Alaska, USA, has been charged with the first degree murder of her mother.

The case has rapidly received a wide following on the Internet, partly because Waterman kept a public record of her thoughts and activities on LiveJournal, a popular blogging service. The last entry, which has since been removed from public view, was posted on November 18, 2004 and read:

"Just to let everyone know, my mother was murdered." "I won't have computer acess [sic] until the weekend or so because the police took my computer to go through the hard drive. I thank everyone for their thoughts and e-mails, I hope to talk to you when I get my computer back."

A diverse group of users, both friends and strangers, have posted over 5,000 comments on the journal, positive and negative, transforming the case into an Internet phenomenon. Every entry since March 2004 has apparently now been deleted or hidden, but a ZIP archive of the entire weblog, from before the entries were deleted, is available on Deadly Blogging.

Waterman was a tenth-grade honor (A-average) student in her second year at Craig High School. She was also a member of the Academic Decathlon team (ACDC) and sang in the choir, a profile that has left many people questioning her involvement in the killing and asking what motive there might be. At the time police say the killing occurred, Rachelle Waterman was apparently playing in a volleyball tournament in Anchorage, Alaska.

Apart from the online diary Rachelle kept, the case is also unusual because matricide committed by female minors is extremely rare.

Family background
The Waterman family is a locally prominent, middle-upper class family. Born on August 26, 1988, Rachelle showed an interest in acting, computers, movies and music, and was an honor roll student, involved in many extra-curricular activities, including choir, volleyball, and the decathlon team - advancing to upper levels and winning prizes in almost every endeavor. Her mother, Lauri, was a teachers' aide and served on the board of the Little League and the town library. Rachelle Waterman's 60-year-old father, Carl "Doc" Waterman, is a real estate agent and serves as president of the Craig School Board. Rachelle's older brother, Geoffrey, lives out of town and is a student at Tacoma College.

The case
Waterman and her alleged accomplices, Jason Arrant and Brian Radel, both 24 years old, are accused of murdering and conspiring to murder Waterman's 48-year-old mother, Lauri Waterman.

Reportedly, Arrant dropped Radel off near the Waterman home shortly after 12:00 a.m. Sunday, November 13, 2004 (local time) where Radel proceeded to kidnap Lauri Waterman, force her into a minivan owned by the Waterman family, and kill her with a blunt object.

Arrant and Radel then allegedly met at Forest Service Road 3012 at about 2:30 a.m., and Arrant followed Radel to its dead end, where Radel had driven the Waterman's van.

Arrant then allegedly watched as Radel doused the body and van with gasoline and then used a roll of paper towels to set it on fire, in an attempt to destroy the evidence.

Police investigation
Alaska State Police Lt. Rodney Dial has stated that a hunter discovered Lauri Waterman's body and her burnt-out van, while driving on Forest Service Road 3012, a remote logging road, early in the afternoon of Sunday November 142004.

On Saturday, November 202004, Alaska State Police Trooper Robert Claus stated:

"During ... interviews all three made admissions as to their involvement in the murder. Physical evidence recovered at the various crime scenes corroborated many of the defendants' statements ... Radel, Arrant and Waterman have been charged with murder in the first degree. Due to the severity of the charges, Waterman has been waived into adult court. Additional charges of solicitation, conspiracy, tampering with physical evidence and other charges are pending.  Arrant and Waterman will be arraigned in the District Court in Craig this morning."

Arraignment
On Saturday, November 20, 2004, Rachelle appeared in Craig District Court, dressed in an orange CCJF jumpsuit, for arraignment on the charges. Waterman and her alleged co-conspirators, Jason Arrant, and Brian Radel, faced a 10-count indictment, listing 26 felonies.

The Fairbanks Daily News-Miner reported that, "the complaint against Rachelle Waterman relied on statements by all three co-defendants. The complaint says the girl told one of the suspects when she and her father would be out of town."

A report in The Ketchikan Daily News stated that, "The first seven counts of the indictment allege that all three defendants committed the crimes of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder; first-degree murder; second-degree murder; kidnapping; first-degree burglary; first-degree vehicle theft and tampering with physical evidence." Other charges were made against Arrant and Radel. The same report went on to state, "Trooper Robert Claus, Klawock resident Jan Bush and Deputy State Medical Examiner Susan Klingler testified before the grand jury."

Magistrate Kay Clark presided over the arraignment and set bail at $150,000. Clark also appointed a public defender to represent Rachelle, who was sent to the Juneau Department of Corrections facility.

The trial
Judge Patricia Collins, of the Juneau Superior Court, has been assigned to run the trial for the case. Judge Collins originally set a date of February 3, 2005 for the trial, but, at an arraignment that week, the trial was rescheduled for August 22. According to court officials, another postponement is likely.

Rachelle Waterman's court-appointed attorney for the trial is Assistant Public Advocate Steven Wells. Assistant District Attorney Daniel Schally is assigned to prosecute the case.

Alleged motive
No motive for the crime has been suggested. Readers are closely scrutinizing Rachelle's online journal for clues.

As early as February 24th of 2004, she posted the following:

 * "Don't you hate it when the little pieces of shit pile up to the point you're at the breaking point, and you want to scream and cry at the same time. I don't know weather to kill somebody, myself, or just curl up into a fetal[sic] position under my covers and lay there for a couple of days. Either way . . . I'm not good . . . "

Numerous readers have pointed to Rachelle's negative comments concerning her mother's wishes to send her to a "fat farm" to lose weight.

 * "My mom finally gave me back the right to eat but wants to send me to fat camp this summer. I think it's rather hallarious[sic]. I mean, I agree I'm chunky but if she sends me off I"ll be the skinny girl and get sat apon[sic]. That part wouldn't be funny, but overall it's quite amusing. Silly mother," (verbatim spelling).

In another incident, her mother grounded her (restricted her to home) for receiving an 89% score on a test. Rachelle posted these comments to her journal in response to this situation (verbatim spelling):

 * "well I'm grounded, last ngiht[sic] my mom went psycho bitch on me and cast me out. So I went to crash at someone's house then she freaked [out], wanted me home incase[sic] I told someone. Wee for loving parental units"

 * "I even got to fly...down the stairs...."

Other readers have pointed to the title of Rachelle's journal, "My Crappy Life (The Inside Look of an Insane Person)", and her negative description of her hometown as "Hell, Alaska, United States":

 * "I live in the suckiest[sic] place on earth, a shit hole in alaska[sic]."

Rachelle posted the following poem to her journal on August 24, 2004, with an indication that she was depressed:

 * they hold the key to my chamber
 * locked within it's depths.
 * never to see the sunlight,
 * and contemplating death.
 * starving more than one way
 * soul and body combine,
 * the pain curses through
 * sending chills up the spine.
 * will I live to see the stars?
 * the sunrise once more?
 * or will I wither and rot
 * my heart gone forevermore

She also had a strong desire not to be at home:

 * "I just want a job, keep me occupied and not at home"

and even posted an "Ode to Suicide" under the following post:

 * "Ever feel completely alone? All the people who you care about and you thought cared about you just leave and you're....just alone...nobody to connect with, nobody to comfort you when you find out you might die, nobody...nothing...."

 * Ode to Suicide

 * Pain consumes my body,
 * eating away like lye.
 * Tearing at my flesh,
 * no more tears left to cry.

 * Nobody loves me,
 * nobody cares.
 * Why continue on?
 * I want out of these snares.

 * Relief and release,
 * is what you bring to me.
 * No more matters to cry for,
 * I can finally be free.

 * "wow I suck amazingly at poetry"

Finally, the weekend before Rachelle left on a trip, during which time her mother was allegedly killed, she noted in her second-to-last entry, "I had a migraine from about 9am-6pm".

Incarceration
Rachelle Waterman is currently incarcerated at the Lemon Creek correctional facility, in Alaska. She signed an agreement to be placed into the general population. Corrections Deputy Commissioner Portia Parker indicated that Waterman "is an adult in the eyes of the law."

Alaska law places persons charged with first-degree murder at the age of 16 or older in the adult court system, and most of the records concerning this case are open to the public for inspection.

Aftermath
One of the last entries in Rachelle's journal wonders whether anyone is reading her comments (verbatim spelling):

 * "Well not a lot has happened lately I jsut thought I should let people know I"m still alive, not like too many people care cus I'm not even sure if anyone reads these from me anymore."

Although Waterman has not yet been convicted, sociologists and forensic psychologists are beginning to study her journal and the circumstances of her writing it. (The police have seized her computer and are examining the contents of its hard drive for evidence.)

LiveJournal has subsequently restricted the viewing of her journal.

When interviewed by Alaskan television station KTUU about the nature of online journals, (in late November, 2004) forensic psychologist Susan LaGrande commented that "[i]t's such an anonymous vehicle that you can be whoever or say whatever you want. You don't have all the responsibilities that are inherent in a face-to-face real, legitimate relationship.

This same report pointed out that Rachelle Waterman had mentioned suicide in her online journal.

Juvenile crime
Criminologist Susan Magestro was interviewed by KTUU on the subject of juvenile crime, in late November, 2004, after Waterman became the second teenager within two months to be accused of murdering her own parent. She stated that "I think that we're starting to see more violence with kids who are younger, and the behaviors that they're exhibiting are more aggressive and more violent." Magestro also opined that "we've got a lot more fetal alcohol and drug children who are growing up, and they don't understand the consequences of some of their actions." (There is no indication that Waterman was a so-called "fetal alcohol" or "drug" child.)

KTUU reported that Magestro "...blames violent movies, TV shows and videogames for desensitizing young people, making them unable to understand the consequences -- or even the reality -- of their actions."

Although Waterman has been waived into the adult justice system due to the nature of the crime, the Governor of Alaska, Frank Murkowski, has proposed increasing the number of personnel assigned to the juvenile justice system.

Rachelle Waterman on LiveJournal

 * "Just to let everyone know, my mother was murdered" "My Crappy Life" - LiveJournal, November 18, 2004.

 * User information for Rachelle Ann Monica Waterman LiveJournal User Information, undated

 * "I get to talk to the troopers today. Whee!" Rachelle Waterman - LiveJournal user comments, November 19, 2004.

Police report on the case

 * Lauri Waterman murder investigation Craig AK Police Department, November 20, 2004.

Press reports about the case

 * Daughter charged along with two others in mother's slaying Juneau Empire online, November 20, 2004.
 * Girl arraigned in slaying of her mother Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, November 23, 2004.
 * Honor student at plot's core Anchorage Daily News, November 24, 2004.
 * Honor student plotted mother's murder, police say, San Angelo Standard Times, November 26, 2004.

 * Trio indicted in Waterman death Ketchikan Daily News, November 27, 2004.
 * People flock to online journal after 16-year-old's arraignment Anchorage Daily News, November 28, 2004.
 * Teen's Internet diary a cry for help? KTUU (Alaskan NBC Television affiliate), November 29, 2004.
 * Daughter, 2 men charged in Craig murder, MSNBC News, November 29, 2004.
 * Accused teen gains Internet notoriety, Juneau Empire online, December 12, 2004.
 * 'Just to let everyone know, my mother was murdered', Telegraph (UK), December 12, 2004.

Press reports which mention the case within a larger context

 * Juvenile justice system may get a boost, KTUU (Alaskan NBC television affiliate), November 30, 2004.
 * Teens get tough lesson in consequences of crime, KTUU (Alaskan NBC television affiliate), November 30, 2004.

Scholastic Accomplishments

 * Craig Academic Decathlon team Craig High School, undated.

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Wired News: Wikipedia Creators Move Into News

The Westminster Hour turns into Jazz FM on Radio Four's Listen Again service

 * From: William Merriam
 * To: feedback@bbc.co.uk
 * Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:50:59 +0000
 * Subject: Listen Again, The Westminster Hour and Jazz FM

 * I'm interested in how the Listen Again recordings are made. I know there have been problems with it before, but I got a surprise while listening to the latest stream of The Westminster Hour.

 * http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/radioseq/west_hour.ram

 * After about 40 minutes it goes silent, then for the rest of the hour I hear Jazz FM.

 * Perhaps it's me. Perhaps it's my software.  Or are these recordings being made from a radio that was retuned in the middle of the programme?  Perhaps it gets used for listening to Jazz FM at night.

OhmyNews
Citizen Reporter Agreement and Code of Ethics

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Talk:American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother

Why is this a noteworthy news story?
To justify this story as being "news", I made a point to add some context to explain why this particular murder case is noteworthy. I don't think Wikinews should contain stories on every murder that takes place, but this case has a number of noteworthy features to it, not the least of which is:

 * The defendant's online journal containing a record of her thoughts and activities right up to her arrest.
 * Over 5,000 posts to the comment section in her journal has turned this story into an internet phenomenon.
 * The defendant is an accomplished student from an upper-middle class family.
 * The crime is potentially one of matricide, which is itself highly unusual.
 * The defendant is female, which is also unusual, as the vast majority of murders are committed by males.
 * The defendant is a minor, which is even more rare for a murder case.

It's not every day that a case like this comes along. The journal and its thousands of comments also serves as a noteworthy commentary on the social norms and mores of American teenage society. --DV 13:09, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You'll find such noteworthy features in nearly every murder if you look close enough. Most of the article consists of rumours, speculations, overstatements, and superfluous details. This is a typical yellow press article, not news. Well, if Wikinews wants to go this way... -- Flobber (from .eu)

 * Nearly every murder is matricide committed by a female minor who posted details of her personal life on a public journal for all to read? What basis do you have for this comment? I have never seen such a case. Have you? — DV 09:37, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As the girl is clearly identified by name AND picture AND location, this article could possibly be libellous, especially because she is a minor and the reporter presumably does not enjoy the privilege of reporting a court case directly (as I presume he/she was not present in court).

-- Jan van der Crabben, 13:36, 29 Nov 2004 (GMT)

 * This case has been waived to adult court, so U.S. minor privacy laws do not apply. --DV 04:40, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * To support this assertion, Rachelle Waterman is pictured on the front page of the November 24th edition of the Anchorage Daily News, wearing an orange CCJF jumpsuit:

 * Honor student at plot's core Anchorage Daily News, November 24, 2004.

 * This case is all over the mainstream media in the United States. (It just made USA Today.) If you are in another country, I understand your concerns, but in the U.S., once you are a criminal defendant on the front pages of newspapers standing in adult court, you are a public figure and lose most of the normal privacy protections accorded to a normal citizen. --DV 14:39, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * So where is Wikinews in ? Shouldn't there be a common publishing policy to follow? A - very - general answer might be: take the human rights. And in this case (and consequently): do not publish name nor picture. -- 84.128.220.84 22:22, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * When you start throwing around terms like "human rights", you start to betray a POV.

 * "Human rights" is a POV buzzword. What the heck does it mean?

 * If another person were to ask, "What about the human rights of the murdered mother?" and demand that the story be written that way - that would be POV as well.

 * Instead, why not present a balanced picture of the positive and negative aspects of the defendant's case and its circumstances, and allow the reader to decide?

 * By the way, given that the defendant is being treated as an adult by both the press and the courts, I'm curious - should a male adult defendant not be pictured or named in an article about his case? (Seems a bit of a double-standard with the recent Scott Peterson case, doesn't it?) --DV 02:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't think Wikinews has any hope of success if we insist on levels of coverage based on importance. You can't force editors to be interested in certain news items. It will be impossible to guarantee that the big news items receive the biggest coverage, and small news items receive little coverage. Rhobite 04:07, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it needs to be made more clear exactly what Rachelle is being charged with. The article states that she has been charged with "first-degree murder of her own mother", yet in the description of the actual deed, only Arrant and Radel are mentioned. Surely if this were the case, Rachelle could only be charged with conspiracy to murder? Illanos 18:22, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Parts of the article seem to imply that she is guilty. Right now, this is just an assertion of the prosecutor. Who is the prosecutor? Have they falsely accused people before? What does the girl claim? Has she plead guilty? Without addressing these issues, I don't see how the article can be NPOV. --69.3.216.94 20:33, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I researched your questions and found out the name of the prosecutor, Assistant District Attorney Daniel Schally. I wasn't able to find any claims of false accusations by either the prosecutor nor the arresting officer, Alaska State Police Trooper Robert Claus, on Google, but perhaps if you have other sources you could do some digging on that issue?

 * Her court-appointed attorney for the trial is Assistant Public Advocate Steven Wells, and he entered an initial plea of "not guilty" during the pre-trial hearing, although the police presented evidence that all three alleged perpetrators confessed to their parts in the crime. If you are able to dig into this case to find out if there is any misconduct on the part of the police or the prosecutors that would certainly be a scoop for Wikinews, although at this time there are no indications that there is anything fishy going on. This isn't the OJ Simpson case - what motive would the police or prosecutors have to falsely accuse Waterman? My personal opinion, after reading the police statements presented during the pre-trial hearing, is that Waterman is likely to plea to a lesser crime (perhaps only the conspiracy charge) to get out of the first degree murder charge, but we shall see. — DV 09:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is ok
I think the article can be published and it is ok. Anyway I am not american and I think the opinion of an american,or someone else near the event would be worth.The article seems ok to me. --- Carlosar 02:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No problem
I have no problem with this article as it stands Lankiveil 05:56, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

POV in article title
Remove "own" from the article title. It's as if the author is shocked that she had her mother killed (and they probably are, but that doesn't mean it should stay that way). To say "own mother" gives the reader unnecessary POV. Just "mother" gets across the same piece of information while allowing the reader to come to their own conclusions. - Vague Rant 10:38, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The "own" has been removed from the article title. -- Carlosar

Update
I have updated the article with all the latest details, plus I have added comments from interviews with a forensic psychologist and a criminologist to add context to the story.

I also expanded the external links to include new reporting by other news outlets.

— DV 09:40, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reporting from the UK
The UK-based Telegraph has the following report on this case:

 * 'Just to let everyone know, my mother was murdered', Telegraph (UK), December 12, 2004.

What's interesting is that they dug up a personal picture of Rachelle Waterman sitting on her bed with a stuffed animal, report many more intimate details from her journal, and speculate to a degree I have not seen in American mainstream news outlets.

The Telegraph article also prefixes several of her journal entries with charged adjectives such as "chillingly" and "ominously", and ends with speculation that perhaps Waterman did not love her mother.

I'm curious if anyone from the UK could tell me if the Telegraph is representative of mainstream reporting from the UK, as I have not found mainstream American news organizations reporting about this story in such a lurid manner.

The reason I ask is that several editors, (I am not sure if they are from countries other than the United States) have implied that the press outside of the United States has higher moral and ethical standards than their American counterparts, but this report from the Telegraph appears to contradict that opinion. (I found the use of an intimate photo set in her bedroom, rather than a class photo or a photo from the trial, to be rather odd, to say the least.)

To help me evaluate this Telegraph report, could someone please let me know which news organizations in the UK are thought of as "mainstream" versus those outlets that are looked down upon as "tabloid" or "gossip" publishers?

I had thought the Telegraph was a mainstream UK news outlet, (they've been online for ten years) but now I am not so sure.

Thanks.

— DV 10:11, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think this article is missing a ton
I was just on Courtvnews.com and there's a lot of information as to the sexual assault this girl suffered early on and her other psychological problems. I think that's a big part of this case. -J.R. Glenn 11:22 PM January 5th 2007

Typo
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This article mentions 'incase'. If the quote is correct [sic] should be added; if the quote is incorrect, it should be changed to 'in case'. Van der Hoorn (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|16px]] Done — The sources are offline, so I can't check for certain, but the article mentions that the spelling is verbatim, so I added 5 or 10 [sic]'s in there for the spelling errors that I noticed. Gopher65talk 21:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Fix broken italics tag
editprotected In one of the blockquotes at the top of the page, there is an unclosed italics tag making the entire rest of the article italics. RPI2026F1 (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ --SVTCobra 02:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


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Talk:Researchers discover high temperature enables more efficient hydrogen generation

Original author- does the article say that less energy TOTAL is required to electrolicize water? Because you'd need a good deal of energy to heat the water to 800 degrees C anyway... This is just a way that you could clear up immidiate questions that people will have when reading this news story.

 * Hmmm... my intention in framing the article stub was simply to report on a scientific discovery, and not to frame the issue in terms of a practical process which had been designed in full. I suppose efficiency can mean many things in many contexts... I meant less electricity was used to produce the hydrogen. I realize that the new york times website requires registration, so perhaps you couldn't read the source. The Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory is a government nuclear research lab - so their sketch of a practical process would be to install extra gears in the heart of a nuclear power plant where one would have that heat already naturally present.  I suppose there are other ways to find that heat - geothermal or solar reflection...Rainbird 17:09, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * One thing I think is confusing about the way the article stub now reads, is that people know that water boils at 100degrees celsius - so the question in readers' minds would be how can water exist at 800degrees celsius? Of course, through creative technology, this is possible - I suppose through containing the water in a vessel of some sort and disallowing it to evaporate... I'm not a scientist, myself, so after only a brief reading of the New York Times article, I wasn't comfortable elaborating any further than I did.  Sometimes it takes reading what you've written again, in the morning to see where the text needs to be clarified.  As is traditional at a wiki, everybody is invited to help develop this article... please do - I'm rather new to the wikimedia websites and I'd appreciate watching the collaborative process   Rainbird 17:31, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK. now that I had a chance to read the news article I understand. The idea is to use the waste heat generated from a nuclear reactor to heat the water to that temperature, and then used some of the produced electricity to run electrolysis. Hmm... doesn't look too efficient. A nuclear reactor with the ability to run 300,000 window air conditioners could only produce the energy equivalent of 5 gallons of gasoline per second. Not very impressive.
 * A nuclear reactor could certainly power more than 300,000 window air conditioners. Cap'n Refsmmat 23:27, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just a question. Is it okay to date an article as Nov. 28 although it uses a source dated as Nov. 29? Tomos 06:27, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jeremy Desterhoft reference?
I can't find Jeremy Desterhoft on the internet, and he isn't mentioned in the artcles you link to, and the quote from him makes no sense. I'm failing this article. Of course, I could just change it, and approve the article, but I wanna make a point about the article stages and "test the system" so to speak. ;) --Regebro 19:11, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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World's Largest Ball of Twine Turns 50

People in Kansas like to just go have a look at things from time to time, particularly if it is kitchy and big. Frank Stoeber died in 1974, but not before he left behind a legacy of twine. Frank started a building a ball of sisal twine (a form of hemp) in 1953, which as grown to 40 ft in diameter hence. The ball of twine's domicile is a mini-museam located in the downtown of Cawker City, Kansas, which onlookers can simple look at or add twine to. In some ways Frank's ball of twine mirrors that of the failed culture of Easter Island. On Easter Island, the people built large stone heads in some final attempt to perserve a culture that was dying from lack of trees. Similarly, Frank's large ball of twine stands an object of preservation. In case you don't make off the coast of Chili, head out to the heartland and have a look.

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User:Walter

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Hi,

I am user Walter (Walter Vermeir) form Belgium. My home Wiki is the dutch Wikipedia or "Wikipedia NL" like we call it.

I suppose you can call me a wikipedia old-timer. According to the logs I have discovered Wikipedia on 2005-09-15. But am really active with Wikipedia since early 2002. I am more involved with Wikipedia "management" then writing on articles. But that work also needs to be done.

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User:Gkearney

PROVO, Utah - The city of Provo is about to change a law which prohibited a home owner from having both a pet cat and dog at the sema time.

Current city law forbids residents from owning a dog and a cat together. The City Council is expected to change the law at it's meeting next month.

The problem was discovered when Susan Sewell and her family went to the Utah County Animal Shelter to adopt a kitten in August. The family already has a cat and a dog.

When the Sewells filled out the adoption papers the shelter staff told them they adopt the kitten because Provo only allowed residents to have cats or dogs, but not both.

"I know people can't be having five, six, seven animals running around," Sewell said. "But if you are a responsible pet owner, why limit it to two? If you have two dogs, your kid can't ever have a cat." told the Provo Herald.

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User:GerardM

Meta - nl:WikiWoordenboek - en:Wiktionary - Kladblok

My name is Gerard, I am from the Netherlands. I am intrested in cacti and succulent plants and have created a database on them. The information is largely based on info from IPNI, (IPNI website), created in Microsoft Access and is open source.

Because of this work I am interested in things like taxonomy. I am interested in ecology, have written some articles about area's that are important like the "Oostvaarderplassen" and the "Gelderse poort". (both are in the GOOGLE top 5). My MO is to have a topic and make sure that it relates to a lot of additional pages; the "Gelderse poort" is about rivers and fish, so I started my native fish project.

Projects

 * nl:Wikipedia
 * Native fish in the sweetwaters of Belgium and the Netherlands
 * Native trees in Belgium and the Netherlands
 * Project to describe plants in our language, a milestone is currently every 250 new articles
 * nl:WikiWoordenboek (Wiktionary in the Dutch language)
 * To have a word for every language and create a tool to copy translations between the various wiktionaries.
 * en:WikiWoordenboek (Wiktionary in the Dutch language)
 * To have a word for every language and create a tool to copy translations between the various wiktionaries.

Contact
Please leave any messages on my talk page or  leave a new message.

Skype
I can be found as gerardmeijssen on Skype. :)

Thanks, Gerard

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Talk:Dan Rather resigns as anchor, to stay on as correspondent

Who is Dan Rather ??
 * Wikified article with links to the Wikipedia article, and at the end, a kind of paragraph long biography. I don't really like the biography but that's for others to fix. Also I removed all of the blog links which simply stated peoples' opinion on the matter. Needs work. Cap'n Refsmmat 23:17, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dan Rather should be identified by network name as well – he is not a household name outside the Western region. It is quite ambiguous and lacking international context; for instance, Bush is always mentioned as US President Bush, and Tom Ridge always identified with the prefix US Secretary of Homeland Security.

Please do not remove links to blogs again without an explanation. Many of the other wikinews articles link to blogs, so I am unsure why someoe removed these from this article. Opinion blogs are an open means of providing access to news analysis-- this is not the wikipedia, so OP/ED pieces are legitimate links and a crucial part of most news organizations. I have labelled them as blogs to distinguish from OP/ED pieces written by others, which I plan to list separately. For the most part, blog entries are written in response to specific news articles, so listing them under the articles to which they refer seems a natural form of organization. I have changed the listing to use commas so that they are less intrusive.

Also, please do not categorize the list of related links as "sources" unless all of them were actually consulted in the writing of the text of the article, I added this list for the benefit of readers, but as far as I know the article writers have not used material from all of these in composing the main text of the article. As material in the text is derived from particular articles, then maybe the specific articles consulted can be moved into a list of sources... otherwise, it would be misleading to assert our list of related links were consulted as sources for the article.

 * A proposal was made on one of the policy pages to use "references" as supposed to "sources". Might be somewhat better than see also and related links, but a policy hasn't really been set you. Lyellin 00:51, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Am changing to "references". Also moving "See also" to end of references.

Rather is the third most watched anchor on United States television.
 * True, but he is the third of three, thus the very least watched network anchor on US broadcast TV, so our statement above smacks of PR spin, like saying, "the glass is almost full," when it is two-thirds empty and leaking. Perhaps the story would be stronger if we just omit any comment on his unremarkable ratings, because whatever comment we make that tends negative or positive in connotation is going to read as POV unless we simply list the raw shares and ratings, which would look really bad for reasons that are not entirely Rather's fault (more competition, etc.). If I recall, Cronkite averaged 30-ish share while Rather averaged less than 6 (units being percent of TV-watching US households tuning in to the show).
 * Of course, now that this "news" is about two weeks old, a better question might be whether we should even bother refining such stories. Thoughts?

Why Run This Story?
Not only is the story old, it is very weak. How long has Rather been at CBS News? How long has he been a journalist? What did he do before becoming an anchor? When exactly did he start as anchor of the CBS Evening News? He's one of three network anchors, not three broadcast anchors. Of the three network anchors, is he the one who has served the longest? What did his tenure as anchor cover? Was he ever number one? Is he third of the old networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) now? Who is one? How long has Rather been third? Finally isn't Kurtz the media correspondent for the Washington Post? It's somewhat inaccurate to call him a mere reporter for the Post and the citation contained in the article is closer to being Kutz's opinion than a fact. However I agree with his use of the word "botched" to describe the 60 Minutes story on Bush's National Guard service as opposed to "false." The problem with the story was that the documents used to support the story were not the originals CBS alleged them to be.

 * The problem was not that the documents were duplicates ("not the originals"), the problem was that they were outright fabrications-- the originals never existed, at least according to interviews with everyone still alive who would have had any memory of generating such documents. Some of the attitudes and opinions expressed in the documents were corroborated, but the documents themselves and the majority of their contents have been fully discredited. Also, a full biography of Rather is something we can leave to Wikipedia and link. The thrust of this story is that he announced retirement from the anchor desk, so if we have given enough data to identify him, the job he's leaving, and the circumstances surrounding his departure, we have probably succeeded-- anything extra can be found though Wikipedia links or the list of references pointing to articles answering most of the questions you have raised.

To answer the question, "Why Run This Story?" The answer is that it was newsworthy at the time it was generated, Nov. 23-24, 2004. Every major news organization ran the story (examples in reference section), so the question might be better phrased, "Why Should We Not Run This Story When Everyone Else Is Running It?"

Category
edit protected Please add this article to Category:CBS News, and localize the link of the same name. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 10:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Added some cats, w-ized. --Pi zero (talk) 03:08, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


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USL v. BSDi settlement agreement unsealed

The 1994 settlement agreement between UNIX Systems Laboratories (USL) and Regent of University of California (USL v. BSDi) was unsealed in November 2004 under the California Public Records Act (California Code § 6250-6270). The details of the settlement may have ramifications with respect to the SCO v. IBM case with SCO believing it is the successor in interest to USL.


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User talk:Lyellin~enwikinews

Community Service Opportunity?
I guess if you don't have the time to supervise a whole mass of low-level criminals, maybe i'll think of a way to orchestrate this function in some more automatic way, ie within the framework that currently exists. I hope having placed this note on top, in my beginner's luck-less way, did not make you miss it altogether.

Wikinews vandal
I gave up reverting the vandalism by 24.198.49.225.

I've already asked for an Administrator to help out (I'm assuming you're not an Admin yourself?), both on Wikipedia Vandalism in Progress and on Jimbo Wale's talk page.

The Administrators can just rollback everything this user is doing in one fall swoop, right?

Cheers,

--DV 03:17, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * OK, where do I vote for you to be an Admin on Wikinews, given that Wikipedia Admins are not recognized as such over here? --DV 03:44, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sysop access granted
Hi Lyellin,

you are now a sysop. Please use your powers wisely and for good instead of evil, do not delete pages without consensus, yadda yadda yadda ;-). Have fun!--Eloquence 22:23, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Style manual/guide?
It occurs to me that I've just been copyediting without a wiki style manual. Is the standard Chicago, Oxford, or something in between? Magic5ball 07:26, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Weather update
I am just about ready to post a new graphic for world surface conditions under the weather section. However, it appears that I can only update the two-column section underneath the single-column header and timestamp of the last update. In other words, I can no longer update where it says "November 29 Surface conditions".

I want to remove the two columns below the header section and update the single column section (the one with the "November 29 Surface conditions" text) to have a large thumbnail graphic with two links underneath it for Fahrenheit and Celsius versions of the full map.

Could you add an "Update" link to the single-column Weather section or otherwise make it possible for non-Admins to edit this section?

Thanks.

— DV 20:43, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for providing the new Weather Update links. — DV 22:13, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Policy
Thanks for the tip, I'm still adjusting to the differences on this site from other wikis. Sarge Baldy 01:25, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

thanks :) Kakao

Spits
MacGyverMagic here. Sorry for the late reply. I haven't been on Wikinews for a while. "Spits" is a free newspaper in the Netherlands. It's not the best of sources, but I knew the information to be correct at the time. Also, I hoped there'd be more editing on the article after I started it... Anyway, I hope that answers your question, now if I can only remember my login..... 82.172.23.66 22:38, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Departments
I commented on your new ideas for departments on the talk page for WikiBureau United States. — DV 10:15, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikinews Logo
Hi Lyellin,

Have you read anything about voting for the Wikinews logo?

I checked on the logo proposals page and there was a mention of a vote happening sometime in December, but I was unable to find out who is organizing the vote or what page the vote is being held on.

The current logo is cute in its own special way :), but it's kind of worn out its welcome at this point, don't you think?

I realize there are a million and one important things to spend time on, but the logo is displayed prominently while using Wikinews, so I thought I would ask your opinion about it.

Cheers,

— DV 10:34, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Main page layout improvements
Hi Lyellin,

I set up a sandbox for the Main Page to illustrate an improved layout that addresses some of the issues a number of our readers have had with navigation and readability.

Please check it out and let me know what you think on the Main Page sandbox discussion page. (I also listed some of the reasons for switching to this new layout on that page.)

If we can reach a consensus on these changes, either you or another Administrator would need to help merge in the changes, because some of the edits shown in the sandbox require changes on the main page, which is protected.

Happy holidays.

Regards,

— DV 20:41, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Please see Main_Page/Sandbox3 and Main_Page/WideSandbox3. They're a pair that link to each other via the monitor icons at the top of the navigation bar. Ilya has started a discussion on the wide version's talk page. — DV 08:51, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Lyellin, one other thing - as a note to you in your role as Admin, both of the Sandbox3 pages show an example of a more compact version of the site banner. I am hoping you or one of the other Admins will consider using this new version on the MediaWiki page which hosts this notice, as the current version uses more space than is necessary at the top of every page.

 * For your convenience I have placed the proposed changes in a template called "SitenoticeSandbox", which expands out to the following appearance:

Feedback/chat: Water cooler - Wikinews mailing list - #wikinews on irc.freenode.net - Site news

 * It's a small thing, but the couple of lines of space saved by this new design make a difference.

 * Regards,

 * — DV 14:40, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WikiBureau
Hey, great idea!

Would you have any problems if I created a copycat "WikiBureau Australia"?

Lankiveil 12:47, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC).

Reply
Thanks for your response to my e-mail list comment. I do wonder why there is an e-mail list, if the replies are made on Wikinews?

I'm glad to hear there is main page re-working underway; I will avoid getting involved in it then.

The water cooler/village pump can be a central resource for users to ask questions of other contributors, such as "can someone help me do X?" But if you look at the w:Wikipedia:Village pump you will see it has a collection of sections which clearly and quickly help a user to locate the information/support/FAQ s/he might be interested in near the top. It also allows users interested in helping out to monitor specific pages which are dedicated, rather than a long general page.

Users looking to find answers should be looking for a FAQ, first. Many questions are not unique, and Wikinews has a FAQ. That should not be on the water cooler, but linked from it. Beyond that, most questions are of the "how do I X in media wiki" (technical), "can someone do X" (assistance), "what are the rules about X" (policy), and "can we do X" (proposals) varieties, and should be answerable on or through the water cooler.

Other uses for the water cooler are to arrange social events, entertainments, group communication, and basically help contributors get along with each other.

None of this addresses the question of Policy.

Not only does Wikinews not have any available policy, yesterday when I looked there was not even a About, which is linked from every page in the site. There is not a policy about making policy; who can vote, what constitutes a "passing" policy (50.01%? 66% 80%?), alternative methods such as non-opposed consensus, how long a policy may be considered before it must pass/fail... These are fundamental decision-making policies.

I believe these should be addressed directly. - Amgine 17:56, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Regarding the Water cooler/Village pump - The table provides links to sections of the Village pump on Wikipedia, not separate pages. It merely breaks the conversations into topic areas.
 * Regarding the FAQ - guidelines, as opposed to policies, are reasonable in a FAQ, and can reach consensus quickly.
 * I have looked at the polls. 3 of the 5 polls have zero entries on their discussion page. However, even disregarding the lack of effort to discuss the policies in question and the extreme age of some of these polls, there are no policies in place to actually decide a poll. Any policy "decision" could be easily contested on this basis alone.
 * Due to this lack of policy some users, such as myself, are not writing articles. After Ilya moved my articles "for policy reasons", I chose to stop submitting articles until there are minimal guidelines. And I'm still looking for the policy used as the basis for moving my articles. - Amgine 20:48, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Check my article please
Look my new article: South American intellectuals support arrested FARC leader. It seems polemic because the source is POV. But I think the news is unabiased and reliable. Anyway, I think other opinions is important. Also check my English. Thank you very much. -- Carlosar 03:02, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WN:WBDU
G'day mate, I saw your conversation with Lankiveil re:WikiBureaus, and took it upon myself to make an aussie one at WN:WBDU, just thought i'd let you know, since you made the first. btw, hows the shakespeare wikireader going? The bellman 03:54, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That time of the year again
This is a form letter that I am putting on the talk page of every admin: As you may know, we are approaching April 1. In many cultures, this is a time for pranksters to pull April Fools jokes on others. Because of the ease of editing, wiki projects tend to fall prey to these types of pranks rather easily. Let this be a reminder to us all to keep a special lookout for hoaxes, rampant fiction and other random acts of content vandalism between now and April 2. Good luck, and hopefully not too much damage will be done. -- Davodd | Talk 07:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

new convention
It's generaly thought that it's better to provide internal links (where possible) rather than external links (so as to keep people on wikinews for longer). However i really wouldnt go so far as to lable it a convention. Some people do it, others dont. Really i probably shouldnt have changed it, since we use a 'whoever wrote the article first sets the conventions' rule - but i did; feel free to change it back should you like to. ~The bellman | Smile 07:36, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Hey Lyellin, you can blame this one on me! In the end after some descussion we decided to decide on a case by case method, here's 3 (fictatious) scenarios:

 * An article deals with a riot in Dunshanbe, Tajikistan - both places should link to Wikipedia.
 * An article deals with rural de-population in Ennistimon, County Clare, Ireland, - the first two places should link to wikipedia, but Ireland should link to wikinews Ireland.
 * An article deals with a new state law in Massachusetts, United States both should link to Wikinews pages.

 * Hopefully eventually Wikinews will have thousends of regional pages (county and state level). On these we can have a banner such as This page covers news relating to Orange County, Florida in the United States So that when a person reads an article relating to Orage County, Flordia they can click through to the Wikinews page on Orange County; see its location and other relevent stories and still be able to get to the wikipedia article with minimal effort. So basically a reader would be never more than 2 clicks from a places 1) Location, 2) Relevent Articles and 3) Encyclopic entry. → CGorman (Talk)  16:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Moldova
That's fine! It took me quite some time to actually find the correct name in Romanian, because unfortunately all of these Russian news sources use Russified names, but since I'm from Romania (and not from Moldova), I had no idea of the actual names in Romanian, because they never make it here in the Romanian media (as you probably know, the relationships between Romania and Moldova aren't all that great). As part of Country of the Week, I'm also going to write some more articles on Moldova from a Moldovan Romanian-language news source, azi.md. Cheers, Ronline 00:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Another of those
'can you have a look' posts! I dunno if you've seen it but the Amgine/Simeon thing was talked about on the misc bit of the Water cooler. The Bush article has been listed for deletion - would you mind voting? PS thanks for the explanation of Amgine's comments - I was wondering what was going on there! Dan100 (Talk) 13:47, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Summit of South American-Arab Countries
I have finished it. --Carlosar 14:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Responding on the article talk page
Hi,Lyellin,

If you can assure me I won't be blocked for responding there, I'll do it. I just don't want to be directly in Amgine's way on anything for the time being; so my plan was not to participate on talk pages he is involved in for the time being. I really wish I hadn't even noticed the remarks about Australia and Simeon; and I really only told admins because I thought you admins would want to know about it; but, maybe I was wrong about that as I have been wrong about other procedural matters. Do you think its a good time for me to offer an apology directly to Amgine about the water cooler stuff? Paulrevere2005 18:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I saw the explanation on Dan100's talk page so I removed the inquiry. ok,thanks for info. Paulrevere2005 19:18, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Not that it matters much,if at all, but here it is;hmmmmm it doesn't read like sarcasm to me. Does it to you? Paulrevere2005 22:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

"VIZZINI

Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And

Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not

trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front

of you."[]

White House, Capitol Building evacuated as small plane enters no-fly zone
Hi,

could you clarify on the talk page what the original reporting component is? Thanks,--Eloquence 04:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Lula's future in the hands of Brazilian Parliament
I finished the article. You can do a first revision now, if you want. Thank you. Also I think that we could put this article as an original reporting. --Carlosar 19:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Using your nick
Would it be alright if I use your nick for a character in this story? I need to use the name of a few wikinewsies to make it recognizable. -- Redge (Talk) 17:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Boo
It was only after I sent the mail it occured to me that I don't have to say what a reminder is about :-).

BTW looks like Amgine will be on duty too. Have a good evening Dan100 (Talk) 18:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

An invitation...
I'm attempting to start up a new edition of Wikinews, one with a simpler user contributions system at Wikinews/Start a new edition. The goals of this project would be to simplify the process of submitting articles such that anyone with no knowledge of the Mediawiki software or the Wikimedia projects culture can easily understand and submit an article, and immediately see it on the main page developing articles section.

If you would be interested in supporting this project I would be pleased if you would sign up at the Meta page.

Why Please?
hi tom

may i please ask why you corrected my change to the article of the UCC's progress on recognition of gay marriage? this article was in the search and i wanted to post a link to it on our church website, since this is surely something to share and celebrate. but while reading it i saw the statement that the United Church of Christ was "the largest Christian denomination to do so. UCC has over 6,000 congregations and 1.3 million members."

but that's not true. our canadian ucc is 3,000,000, and we've a long long history on this issue.

i knew of wikipedia, but this article introduced me to wikinews. wow! what a wonderful concept.

so i thought to add my 2 bits worth.

if i have not followed a protocol, could you kindly advise me? i certainly did not mean to be meddlesome of troublesome, just to share and correct a small error.

thanks

Jock McTavish mctavjoc@shaw.ca 1candle.net stdavidscalgary.net

 * Jock, I believe you are referring to the "You have to ask..." COmment? If so, I reverted that because it is against our Point of View Policies. The Comment didn't add anything to the article, instead all it did was basically set up a certain point of view regarding the news. In effect, it was not news, it was editorializing. Lyellin 9 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)

Answer to talk page
Hi there, I didn't see your question on the bombings talk page till today, sorry not to have answered. If you're still keen to know, Friends House is on the Euston Road opposite Euston, so not very near Kings Cross but very close to Tavistock Square, as in it's the closest bus stop heading South :) We heard the explosion and some of the first witnesses got here (we opened the building for the stranded) and told my colleagues about the bus which I then reported to Dan100 on his talk page, about ten/twenty minutes ahead of the first witness report on BBC London Live. ClareWhite 08:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Our's is the main headquarters and it has a very large and dramatic Meeting room, there are lots of others round London so you may not have come to FH, it may well have been Westminster Meeting if it was central. Free samples are available at our website and there'll be quite an extensive report next week about the work during the bombings, otherwise it's full of interesting news, we tend to write quite a lot about US Friends too :) ClareWhite 13:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Quaker portal
I took Ilya's comments on the talk page as just trying to prevent over-enthusiastic Wikinewsies butting in on pages with arguments about newsworthiness etc, but I took it as an assumption - and have included in the proposal - that all portals must be inclusive of anyone who wants to be involved. It would be great if you could help develop the Quaker portal! I hoped that Britain Yearly Meeting and Young Friends World Gathering would give us plenty of material to kick off with. PS I had assumed you were a girl till I read your talk page, sorry about that ClareWhite 17:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)l

Quaker portal
You'll probably see that Dan100 has created a rather snazzy submission box on the Quaker page, so we're ready to start inducting Wiki-innocents like your father! ClareWhite 15:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

hey!
Hope the move goes well, look forward to seeing you back in September! Check out the latest Quaker story, finally got the Americans back in :) ClareWhite 16:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi! wikibreaks and distractions...
Not that I'm in an appropriate condition to be comprehensible.

Just want to say hi! glad to see you stopped in again! and you should see my current distraction at http://journowiki.org ... talk about your wikibreaks... Amgine / talk 03:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...
Hi Lyellin... just wanted to thank you for your participation over the past couple of days. Your level-headed editing has had a calming influence on the wiki. - Borofkin 23:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Rescue
Hi, and welcome back:) I just explained my opinion on the article talk page. Neutralizer 23:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I just sent this to CHiacomo and Craig on IRC

"Chiacomo?Craig? Lyelin and I agreed to a title last hight for 3 hostages rescued in Iraq; some idiot changed it to a misleading "mission" thing; now the redirects have lost the article???" Neutralizer 13:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't find the article now?

Speedy deletion
Hi, just noticed your deletion but I could not tell which of the 11 reasons was in play; you did say copyvio but also essay so could you please lmk which of the 11 reasons justified the speedy delete? Thanks; also is there anyway a non-admin can have a look at an article speedy deleted to see if they agree? Neutralizer 03:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

no need to be hostile
Police have punishment and control authority; I have neither; nor do I wish to. Your "police" reference was silly and un-called for; my inquiry above was polite as I found your "essay" and "not-news" reference to the deleted article (23:06, 25 March 2006 Lyellin deleted "Secret Societies & Occult Politics" (Essay, Copyvio, notnews - all speedy)) odd as I did not think they are reasons for speedy-deletion. I'm still trying to learn the rules here,that's all; no "police" wannabes here. Neutralizer 14:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

FYI
I added a story: March 27th, "Redevelopment agency ends talks for church" (published) MartinGugino 14:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cats fixes...
You rock for your timely response. Do you want to nominate the old cats/articles for deletion or shall I? Thanks again. Deeb 21:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep Lower Case
The lower case, "basketball," is closer to policy. Let's keep that. I'll mark the upper case for deletion. BTW, are categories only related via the markup on a sub-cat's page? Is there no other way to code it? I mistakenly followed what looked like an example on the "Wikinews:Categories and topic pages" page. It use forward slashes... which evidently aren't markup. Deeb 22:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ping
As is my habit, I replied to you on my talk page. StrangerInParadise 03:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

International Wikinews Writing Contest
Just a reminder that the IWWC starts tomorrow. Ral315 (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder to list your stories at International Wikinews Writing Contest 2/log. You currently have one joker. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 15:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Rfda
This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

New Policy has users up in smoke
Hello. I am not sure if you check this page anymore, but I thought you might be interested as to what is going on here at Wikinews: Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan. I am outraged as well as others...do you have an opinion? DragonFire1024 09:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
You made my night! I have an interview with Natasha Khan, lead singer for Bat for Lashes, tomorrow at noon. I went to their show with a photo pass last night...you should really, really check out their music. All girl band, and not hardcore, but not softcore. Very interesting. It'll make the interview more fun to read. She comes from a very interesting background per WIkipedia. --David Shankbone 03:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletions
Hello Lyellin. I see that you are an old-timer here on Wikinews! I hope you don't mind a suggestion. For the deletion of a nonsense item like you just did, it is probably good practice to delete some of the text that remains. That particular one still shows a persons name and cell phone number in the history (though it may be fake and has no area code). Cheers, Jcart1534 04:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Merlino
Thanks for helping on the interview :-) --David Shankbone 17:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Image editing
How were you able to get the images to work on my article "Registered sex offender arrested for luring Myspace teenager to meeting?" Herb 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Fattie
The only thing it needs is to be Wikified some more, and probably some copy-editing. Unfortunately, I have my interview with Presidential candidate Sam Brownback in 15 minutes and need to prepare for it. --David Shankbone 14:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder what will happen when I post my "What it takes to run an S&M Dungeon" interview. I spent three hours in one last night.   Now I get to talk to an Evangelical Christian - sort of like confession!  haha.  --David Shankbone 14:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

david shankbone is a questionable news source writer as i see your calling all blacks niggers and gays come on Lyellin please stop this guy. --66.152.205.254 18:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? --David Shankbone 19:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh, God! Could you imagine my doing some of these interviews and then creating a page like that?!  Good lord, I'd have to have split personality...haaha!  --David Shankbone 20:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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Lycos launches screensaver to increase spammers' bills

Internet portal and mail-provider Lycos Europe has launched a program to increase spammers' bills by having thousands of voluntary users' computers repeatedly query websites from which spam originates. Such a tactic would increase the bandwidth costs for these websites. However, it also faces legal questions.

Spamming, the mass sending of unsolicited emails, is lucrative in part because each email can be sent for nearly insignificant costs. With such low costs, a commercial spammer needs only to have a very small number of recipients buy their product to make a profit. The goal of many anti-spam proposals has been to increase the cost of spammers sending messages. Lycos' approach is to make it more expensive to maintain servers that send spam.

Volunteers may download the screensaver from the Lycos website for it. The program would run on a user's computer in the background and request about three megabytes (3MBs) of data every day. The screensaver shows which spam server is being targeted by the user, where the server is located, and how many others are attacking it at that moment. Target email servers are selected from blacklists from anti-spam organizations, with Lycos' own verification.

Legal issues arise over whether this can be interpreted as a denial of service attack. In such an attack, computers overwhelm a webserver with requests for data to the point where it does not have the resources to fulfill its normal function. Lycos, in explanatory material on the screensaver's dedicated website ( http://makelovenotspam.com ), claims that its technology closely monitors the screensavers' effects on targeted websites and prevents any of them from being completely shut down by information requests.

Lycos Europe operates in Germany where, according to Joerg Heidrich of Heise Zeitschriften Verlag, less than completely shutting down a server is not clearly illegal under the penal code. It may, however, be actionable under the civil code. But Lycos may be betting that no one will file a suit, as that would require those participating in illegal spamming to reveal their identity.

The website no longer allows downloads of the screensaver, and users of the screensaver cannot connect to spam sites, but are instead given the message 'Stay Tuned'


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Valech Report released

The Valech Report, officially titled The National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture Report, was made public yesterday (November 29, 2004) by Bishop Sergio Valech, the head of the eight-member panel commission into abuses committed in Chile between 1973 and 1990 by agents of Augusto Pinochet's military regime. It was prepared by the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture at the request of the president, and it is freely available to the public as a document on the Internet.

The report was based on testimonies given to the commission by more than 35,000 people. A little over 27,000 of those testimonies were regarded as legitimate by the commission.

On addressing the nation on November 28, 2004, president Ricardo Lagos said he would propose a bill that will provide compensation to the victims.

Most witnesses described behavioral, emotional and psychosocial effects. Many said they had felt — and still feel — insecure and fearful, humiliated, ashamed and guilty; depressed, anxiety-ridden and hopeless. Some persons mentioned alterations in their concentration and memory; others cited conflicts, crises and breakups within their families, as well as conjugal problems. They also mentioned the loss of reference groups and social networks. Most victims mentioned sleep disturbances and chronic insomnia, as well as behavioral inhibitions, phobias and fears.

This Commission heard testimony from 3,399 women, almost all of whom said they were the object of sexual violence; 316 said they were raped. Of the latter, 229 were detained while pregnant. Because of the torture they suffered, 20 of them aborted and 15 gave birth while in prison. Thirteen women said they were made pregnant by their captors; six of those pregnancies came to term.

The full report, in Spanish, can be found here.

Excerpts
Excerpts from the report as translated by The Miami Herald.

 * Consciously or unconsciously, a conspiracy of silence about the torture spread slowly through the country. Political prison and torture constituted a state policy during the military regime, defined and promoted by the political authorities of the period which mobilized personnel and resources of various public organizations and issued decrees and laws that protected such repressive behavior. And this had the support, explicit sometimes but almost always implicit, of the only power that was not a member of that regime: the judiciary.

 * [More than 18,000 of the 35,868 respondents] said they were detained between September and December 1973. During that period, torture was practiced by members of the Armed Forces and Carabineros [paramilitary police] in what became a generalized practice on a national scale.

 * [More than 5,266 respondents] were political prisoners detained between January 1974 and August 1977, when new modalities of detention and torture were created. By June 1974, the DINA [Directorate of National Intelligence] was granted full legal recognition and its own budget.

 * [Almost 4,000 respondents] were persons detained for political motives between August 1977 and March 1990. The final period of the repressive process was distinguished by the activities of the CNI [National Information Center.] In 3,059 cases, the detainees were kept in CNI facilities.

 * As the citizenry rearticulated itself politically, the Investigations Department Police [police detectives] and Carabineros intervened again most actively in the tasks of coercion, detaining (for shorter periods) and torturing (with the usual methods) either on their own or placing oppositionists at the disposal of the CNI, military or civilian tribunals for processing.

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Jakes page. Just the beginning.

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Talk:Lycos launches screensaver to increase spammers' bills

Lycos' press release?
Where is the original press release? I could not find it in any of the following.
 * Lycos-europe home page: http://www.lycos-europe.com/
 * Its Press Centre: http://www.lycos.de/startseite/cce/PC/index.html
 * Lycos UK, Press Office for 2004: http://www.lycos.co.uk/pressoffice/2004.html
 * Lycos.com (US), Press Room: http://info.lycos.com/pressroom/pressroom.asp

In case someone want's to check, here is Lycos Germany's press room
 * http://www.lycos.de/startseite/cc/PC/index.html

At the end of Register's report is some remarks of Lycos' spokesperson in Germany.

I've read a slash-dot thread on this, and there was a remark that lycos and lycos-europe are quite different. The web site of Make love, not spam links to lycos-europe. So I suppose the press release would be somewhere in Lycos-europe's site, or Lycos' Germany's.

Tomos 08:39, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Some more facts
Service:
 * It is like a SETI@Home, making use of unused computing power to access the target server (well, kind of obvious to some..) (source:1)
 * Limit is 3MB per day per person (1)
 * The screensaver tells you which is the target server (1), where it is located, how many others are attacking it at that moment (2)
 * The screensaver was developed by Starring, a Swedish agency. (4)
 * The software was tested for two months in Sweden (16)
 * There are about 20mil. visitors using either MacOS or Windows, two operating systems that the screensaver is available for. (5) (Some other sources report that Lycos expect 20 mil. users will use this program, without specifying any reason, so I assume this is where the number comes. And Lycos is probably not expecting all the 20 mil. users to do that.)
 * There are 20mil. visitors per month to Lycos Europe's sites. (17)
 * It uses blacklists from Spamcom.com and other anti-spam organizations, with Lycos' own verification. (1,3,6,7)
 * The screensaver is available for people in France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the UK. (3) Another source (7) says that the screensave is first made available in Germany, then UK, and then other 8 countries in EU where Lycos Europe operates. (7) Official launch was said to be Wednesday, Dec. 1 (9), and the earlier distributions were a beta version. (9)
 * There is a central server to coordinate the attack and monitor the target servers' performances. (9)
 * The screensaver is downloaded more than 90,000 times. (9)
 * The screensaver is downloaded by more than 65,000 people by Tuesday (Nov,30) (17).
 * It slows spammers servers to the 5% level, but does not intend to shut down., according to Malte Pollmann (director of communications services, Lycos Europe) (10,13)
 * Substantially the same statement is made by Kay Oberbeck, a spokesperson for Lycos Europe. (17)

Legality:
 * There is a disclaimer that the users should use the screensaver at their own risk (1)
 * If the attack does not shut down the server but merely slow it down or make it costly, it would not be clearly against German Penal Code, according to Joerg Heidrich, a legal consultant at Heise Zeitschriften Verlag (2) (note that Heise Zeitschriften Verlag is the publisher of this article). The consultant also says that in any case, it is against German Civil Code, but in order for the spammer to sue Lycos over damage based on Civil Code, spammer must reveal its identity. (2) It might be the objective of Lycos' move, some say. (4)
 * Wessel van Rensburg (Lycos UK) does not expect any legal trouble. (7)
 * Even when the attack does not shut down a server, it could still be construed as a DDoS, according to Anne Mitchell (president of the Institute for Spam and Internet Public Policy, also an anti-spam lawyer). (Note that the tone of the statement is that this service might get Lycos into a trouble, it could be countered that some DDoS is legally okay. This is because Anne Mitchell does not directly use terms like legal, illegal, etc.) (7)
 * F-Secure, a Finnish antivirus company suggested people not to participate because of legal uncertainties. (8,13,19 - 19 is the primary source)
 * Graham Cluley (a senior technology consultant, Sophos) (9) thinks it is potentially in volation of a law regardig DDoS.
 * Malte Pollmann (director of communications services, Lycos Europe) says that it is clearly different from DDoS attack. (10,13)
 * Some news coverage, such as ZD Net UK's (14) and Silicon.com's (15), call it a DDoS attack, seemingly without much legal connotation.

Other responses: (Please note that everything is paraphrased to play safe in terms of copyright.)
 * Critical: Trevor Hughes, executive director of the E-mail Service Provider Coalition (7)
 * Critical: An unsigned InfoWorld article points out that it is not either legal or technological solution that can terminate spam. (11)
 * Critical: Michael Osterman (president of Osterman Research, a marketing firm specializing in messaging technology), risk of targeting non-spam site by mistake. This is more of a instant reaction than a thoughtful solution, it is implied. (11)
 * Critical: Graham Cluley (a senior technology consultant, Sophos) - Not a thoughtful strategy. Lycos is behaving in "low" manners, like spammers and hackers do (9).
 * Critical: Steve Linford (director, Spamhaus, a non-profit anti-spam organisation) not thoughtful because of its retaliatory tactic. Lycos should not give DDoS any legitimacy. (14)
 * Critical/neutral: A question is raised about the possibility of other organizations mobilizing people in the same way for a different cause such as Anti-pornography, anti-human right violation, environmental protection, etc. (15)
 * Critical: David Farber (former chief technologist at the U.S. Federal Communications Commission) it is not a good behavior to act badly in order to fight back a bad guy.

Development 1: (Lycos being hit, or not)
 * The home page of the makelovenotspam.com was said to be replaced with a message. The entire message was quoted in (9,10,13).
 * The Lycos spokesman is reported to have said that this is a hoax, someone made a fake screen image and distributed via email. (9, 11, 12, 13, 18 - the source #12 does report that Lycos said the screenshot was fake, but does not report about email part. #13 quotes the spokesperson of Lycos at length. #18 is a primary source)
 * As a reason that the email was a hoax, the Locys spokesperson Malte Pollmann says that there is no trace of attack in the server log. (13)
 * The message is something that visitors of the web site received (8). Wheather this is a pop-up window, email, or something else is not explained.
 * The site could not be accessed on Tuesday and Wednesday. (9) Lycos Europe's spokesperson said that it was because of large volume of traffic/ high demand. (9)
 * F-Secure, a Finnish antivirus company, has received an email containing what appears to be a screenshot of the cracked site. (13)

Background/ relevant facts:
 * A Symbiot, a US company once devised a system to hit back against DDoS and hackers as a security measure. It was received with criticism among security experts (8).
 * Lycos Europe has 40mil. email accounts. (10)
 * Lycos Europe expects that it receives DDoS attack from spammers (12,13).
 * Spammers often use unused capacities of computers through trojan hourse to send spam emails.
 * 60% of email received in UK is considerd spam, according to Office for Fair Trading (16)

Results:
 * Some sites are slowed down significantly, according to netcract's report (12).

Sources:
 * 1) Jan Libbenga Lycos screensaver to blitz spam servers, The Register, November 26, 2004.
 * 2) Kevin Newcomb, Lycos Europe Pushes Limits in Anti-Spam Fight, ClickZ Network, November 30, 2004
 * 3) Munir Kotadia Lycos anti-spam site hit by hackers, ZDNet Australia, December 01, 2004
 * 4) Scarlet Pruitt (IDG News Service) Lycos Antispam Screensaver Draws Fire, PC World, December 01, 2004
 * 5) Dan Ilett Lycos Europe denies attack on zombie army, CNET News.com, December 1, 2004.
 * 6) (author unspecified) Lycos' anti-spam screensaver: Fleeting revenge is not the answer, InfoWorld, December 1, 2004.
 * 7) richm Spam Sites Crippled by Lycos Screensaver DDoS, netcraft,December 1, 2004
 * 8) Dan Ilett Lycos denies attack on zombie army ZDNet UK December 01, 2004
 * 9) Dan Ilett Lycos launches anti-spam zombie army, ZDNet UK, November 30, 2004
 * 10) Will Sturgeon Will's Web Watch: How to attack spammers in your sleep, Silicon.com, November 30 2004.
 * 11) Maija Pesola Spammers get taste of their own medicine Financial Times, December 1 2004.
 * 12) Daniel Woolls Spam blocker raises bandwidth concerns Associate Press (via Springfield news-leader) December 1, 2004
 * 13) Mikko Makelovenotspam.com defaced? F-Secure weblog Nov 30, 2004
 * 14) Mikko Lycos Europe organizing a DDoS attack against spammers F-Secure weblog Nov 30, 2004
 * 1) Will Sturgeon Will's Web Watch: How to attack spammers in your sleep, Silicon.com, November 30 2004.
 * 2) Maija Pesola Spammers get taste of their own medicine Financial Times, December 1 2004.
 * 3) Daniel Woolls Spam blocker raises bandwidth concerns Associate Press (via Springfield news-leader) December 1, 2004
 * 4) Mikko Makelovenotspam.com defaced? F-Secure weblog Nov 30, 2004
 * 5) Mikko Lycos Europe organizing a DDoS attack against spammers F-Secure weblog Nov 30, 2004

 * Great research. I tried to incorporate it into the article. 119 23:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks :-). I added another bunch of sources and facts. I hope you or someone can make use of them. Tomos 05:59, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we can split the more recent criticism and follow-up to a separate article, so am publishing this. 119 16:13, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. Tomos 22:22, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The first sentence is very long.
The first sentence is very long, and should be broken down into smaller sentences for each idea expressed.

Follow up required?
As I understand it, Lycos have now withdrawn the website and screensaver. Some follow up required in the article or perhaps a new article is required? This could be become a recurring problem for wikinews, but if addressed then perhaps one of it's best strengths - with large enough contributory base, all articles could get followed up.

 * I think a follow-up article would be nice. I scanned several sources and found the following.
 * As reported by AP, the program now seem to be officially terminated, not just temporarily available.
 * It was also reported that one of its target servers, www.moretgage.info, redirected all the traffic to Lycos' server, making the users of the screensaver to attack Lycos' own server.
 * Some ISPs refused to carry the screensaver-generated traffic . Global Crossing is said to have blocked access to the Lycos Europe altogether.
 * There is a speculation that the whole thing was a way to attract attention to Lycos' spam-free email service.
 * Tomos 00:28, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Okay, since I've read a fair amount of articles on this, and nobody was doing it, I wrote that follow-up article: Lycos Europe ends its anti-spam campaign. Please help. Tomos 12:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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User talk:Denhamatl

Hello. Are you new to Wikinews?

I've read your article on podcast. While it is something that I am personally interested in, it is not quite compatible with Wikinews' mission, I am afraid. If you haven't please take a look at Mission_statement and its neutrality policy.

Hope this wouldn't disappoint you much. Tomos 09:03, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Gusenbauer reelected as Austrian Social Democrat Party leader

November 30, 2004

Alfred Gusenbauer has been reelected as leader of the Austrian Social Democrat Party (SPOE) at the party's convention in Vienna. Gusenbauer received 88.93% of the vote, an unexpectedly low value. In 2002, he was reelected with 99.6%. Gusenbauer leads the SPOE since 1999.

Albeit the low result he has called the vote an "impressive display of confidence". Gusenbauer and other heads of the party, including influential Vienna mayor Michael Haeupl have confirmed that Gusenbauer will be the party's top candidate for the next parliamental election which will also determine the Austrian chancellor.

In his keynote address Gusenbauer has issued heavy criticism at the current Austrian government which is led by chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel and the Austrian People's Party (OEVP).


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Talk:Ukraine political crisis

The quote about Yushchenko's medical condition is worthy of mention, however, isn't there a better place to put it? It makes no sense placed here, and does not really discuss what's going on (poisoning speculation). --Xanadu 09:32, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Should the Timeline be in present tense? 119 18:12, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * News is in itself reporting past events, and I think it's just best to leave the timeline in past tense. --Xanadu 00:22, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * But a timeline isn't a news story exactly. I think I've seen more timelines in the present-tense than not. But, anyway I think they flow better in the present-tense. 119 01:03, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Hm, well, I see your point and an AP timeline has the Orange Revolution in present tense. --Xanadu 16:51, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure this belongs on Wikinews in this form. It looks more like a Wikipedia-type summary to me.--Eloquence

Plagued?
"The runoff was plagued with allegations of large-scale voter fraud". Do we still want to use the word "plagued"? Seems pretty POV to me. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:35, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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