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Somali pirates now hold 134 Filipino seafarers hostage

November 22, 2008

The number of abducted Filipino seafarers in Somali waters rose to 134 with the seizure of the MV Delight on November 18. The seven Filipino seafarers are members of a 25 multi-national crew aboard the Hong Kong registered Iranian ship, whose crew also includes seven Indians, two Pakistanis and two Ghanaians. None of the crew members are reported to be harmed.

The 134 Filipinos currently held come from a total of eight hijacked ships, including 19 from the high profile capture of the Sirius Star; with the single largest contingent being the 26 man crew of the MV Centauri taken on the 17th of September. The total would be higher but for 76 Filipino crew have been released by the Somali pirates since the April of this year.

The large number of abducted Filipinos reflects the large Filipino seafaring community, some 230,000 of all ranks in 2004, who command wages only a third of that of Western seamen.


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Grenade attack on Thai protesters kills one, injures at least 20

November 20, 2008 A grenade attack on People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters occupying Thailand's Government House compound has killed a 48-year-old man. Media reports indicate that the blast injured between 20 and 29 others. This is the third attack on protesters occupying the Prime Minister's offices since August.

The grenade attack took place in the early hours of this morning, 03:30 local time (20:30 UTC). PAD security details have prevented police from examining the crime scene. Local police commander, Somchai Chueyklin, told AFP they were waiting for forensic officials and permission from the protesters to enter the Government House compound. One of the key leaders of the PAD, Sondhi Limthongkul, has accused the government of being behind the attack. Following meetings in the wake of the explosion, the anti-government protesters have announced plans for a protest and march this Sunday aimed at toppling the government and preventing amendment of the country's constitution. The PAD view the government of the People's Power Party as a continuation of the "Thaksin regime" that was deposed by a bloodless military coup on September 19, 2006. Plans by the government of PM Somchai Wongsawat to amend the constitution are seen as part of an effort to rehabilitate the fugitive ex-premier, Thaksin Shinawatra.

The blast comes just one day after a six-day 'cease-fire' came to an end following ceremonies for the cremation of the King's sister, Galyani Vadhana, who died of cancer earlier this year. Last Friday's lavish ceremony was one of King Bhumibol Adulyadej's few public appearances this year. At 80 years of age, the revered monarch is the world's longest serving head of state.


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pic?
a pic would look nice. just my opinion i think all articles should at least contain one good pic representing the article. anyway thanks. --72.65.122.159 01:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * looks great SVTCobra! --72.65.122.159 01:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


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According to official figures they haven't been in recession for a while, but hasn't their growth been ridiculously slow? Fephisto (talk) 12:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

You know what would fix this economic crisis? Legalizing Cannabis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.69.239 (talk) 10:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

thank you mr. bush —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.127.29 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

wow the leading country of techonilgy is in a recession. im flabber gasted! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.8.227.8 (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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Harvard Law School gives its highest honour to Pakistani judge

November 21, 2008

Pakistan's embattled Chief Justice was conferred with 's "Medal of Freedom" for his struggle for the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary on Wednesday in Boston, Massachusetts.

In the past, this award has been given to the team which litigated , and to.

The granted him an honorary membership at a ceremony attended by Chaudhry on Monday, recognising him as a "symbol of the movement for judicial and lawyer independence in Pakistan."

In 2007, Chaudhry received the "Lawyer of the Year" award from New York-based periodical .

On November 3, 2007, then-president Pervez Musharraf imposed a state of emergency and suspended the constitution. Soldiers of the entered the Supreme Court of Pakistan and arrested Chaudhry along with seven other judges.

Musharraf replaced Justice Chaudhry with as the Chief Justice of Pakistan under Musharaf's  issued that day. Chaudhry then spent several months under house arrest.

Harvard Law School established its "Medal of Freedom" as its highest honour, to recognise individual efforts "to uphold the legal system’s fundamental commitment to freedom, justice, and equality."


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they have the same idea as me, im organizing a march on houses of parlament sometime mid december, then by ellction of the people and maybe the queen herself i can take over and do whats right for BRITAIN! long has our culture been tormented and banished by other cultures, and now they are almost finished, soon britain will be overpowered and not even it´s people will be able to do anything, thats why we must act now, like the government should have done over 20years ago,

im on facebook btw
 * On facebook as who? Santa Claus? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thai Politics!
PAD needs to accept it can't change the gov. everytime they lose an election! Although the PPP aren't the desirable winners they are the WINNERS! Accept it move on and find ways to work together improve Thailand and by the next election the PAD can prove they are the better party with Abhist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.30.183 (talk) 00:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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whoever did that to that old man needs to go to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll--205.169.68.238 17:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


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can u explain it pleaseAzamishaque (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I explain it? Yes. It was incomprehensible. Please go and spend a lot of time reading well crafted English and perhaps do some courses on English grammar. Oh, and install an inline spell checker. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I have completed a fact check, and dropped some things that were harder to confirm and not at the heart of the story. Did not easily find a source for the 111th brigade, so removed it. The Asian newspapers that said that Marshall received an award were not backed by Harvard websites, so I dropped that. Chaudry is probably the third honoree, but it was not totally clear to me, so I dropped that too. Next task is to copy edit it for grammar. --InfantGorilla (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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There is a student newspaper article at http://media.www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2008/11/20/News/Pakistans.Chief.Justice.Awarded.Medal.Of.Freedom-3554256.shtml I did not use it as a source, but it is worth a read.

Have you considered including quotes from the ceremony? A sentence from Justice Chaudhry and one from Dean Egan may help the article.

Was there any reaction to the award from Pakistani authorities or Musharraf supporters?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 17:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I hope the fact checking and editing I did was useful. You may also want to introduce the third paragraph with a sentence like For several months in 2007, Chaudry was the focal point of a dispute between the judiciary and President Pervez Musharraf's military government. If you don't want to add any of the material I suggested above, then I recommend you tag the article for another review. I am going off line now. --InfantGorilla (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Mistake
Thanks, InfantGorilla, for fixing that embarrassing factual mistake I made. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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UN to deploy over 3000 more troops to Congo

November 20, 2008

The United Nations Security Council has announced that it intends to send up to 3,085 more peacekeeping troops to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, despite a commitment from rebel forces to reduce their fighting.

The UN stated that the troops will be deployed immediately, and kept in the Congo for at least the rest of 2008.

Depending on the security situation in the country, the troops may be kept in the country past the end of this year.

The move was made as part of UN Security Council Resolution 1843, and was recommended by the United Nations Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon.

The resolution states that this “temporary increase in personnel aims at enabling to reinforce its capacity to protect civilians, to reconfigure its structure and forces and to optimize their deployment.” The resolution also made some other comments in relation to the Congo. The resolution also aimed to work at “reiterating its condemnation of the resurgence of violence in the eastern region of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and demanding all parties to immediately respect a ceasefire.”

The document also welcomed “the appointment of former Nigerian President by the Secretary-General as his Special Envoy for the Great Lakes Region.


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These Somali Pirates are like cartoons, lets give them their own reality TV show.

ARRRRRRR!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.102.159.2 (talk) 23:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Somali Pirates

Why can't a US carrier group (or a British or French carrier) supply airstrikes against any pirate vessel? Our satellites can track these pirates to their base ports in Somalia, or anywhere else. This is exactly the kind of conventional warfare we pay 41% of our taxes for every year. Yet our Navy says it "would have to station a ship every eight miles" and begs off? While we are entering a recession and need to protect trade?

Can someone please explain this phenomenon? —Ghuthsteiner (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)--Ghuthsteiner (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Oil for protection
Since we usually have a carrier in the middle east, we could station an AWAC in the Somolia area to alert the carrier air wing in the area. A squadron of fighter jets could be dispatched to make short work of pirate vessals. If OPEC would pay the expenses involved and also assure lower and stable oil prices as ancentive, it wuld be a win win situation. An end to piracy on the high seas, and good PR for the usa in the middle east and around the world.206.24.48.1 19:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


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Two missionaries robbed in Kampong Cham province
Logos International Weekly by Rebekah Rin

Two missionaries were robbed in Kampong Cham province. They are Yohan Lim and Peter Koo. No ages were reported. They are serving with the Brethren of Christ.

A Nokia handphone, $100 and a Korean passport was taken from them. Yohan later reported the lost passport to the Korean embassy in Siem Reap. The missionaries are temporary living in Siem Reap.

Cambodian police have stationed three more officers, and forty more policemen in Kampong Cham province, following a series of break-ins. An Overseas Missionary Fellowship missionary was killed in the area recently.

Thai Army clear airport following seizure by protestors
The Thai Army has cleared the airport, following it's seizure by protestors from the People's Alliance for Democracy.

1,500 Thai troops, some of them veterans from the recent conflict in Cambodia, took part.

Several UH-1H "Huey" aircraft and AH-1F Cobra gunships, lobbed tear-gas grenades.

Meanwhile, the Singapore government sent two C-130J Super Hercules to Suvarnabhumi Airport, Thailand, to fly some 120 Singaporeans, plus six sick stranded foreigners to Singapore.

UK also dispatched a C-17 Globemaster II to Bangkok,and flew out about 100 people, mostly UK citizens.

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I've not read everything on the Thai airport closure yet, seen no mention of tear gas or anything like that. Can you tell me where you sourced this from? Later on I intend to do a new story on day three of the protest/blockades so that'd be an important detail. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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Teen broadcasts suicide online

November 23, 2008

A Pembroke Pines, Florida teenager killed himself Wednesday, November 19, while broadcasting on the live video site Justin.tv. After making suicide threats and being encouraged by Justin.tv viewers and Bodybuilding.com forum members, Abraham K. Biggs, 19, committed suicide by taking an overdose of opiates and benzodiazepine, which had been prescribed for his bipolar disorder.

Biggs first began blogging about his planned suicide 12 hours before the actual event. He died after taking pills and lying on the bed in front of the webcam. After the broadcast, viewers who apparently thought it was a hoax posted messages such as "OMG", "LOL", and "hahahah".

Hours later, after being alerted by viewers who had noticed that Biggs had stopped breathing, law enforcement and paramedics arrived, discovered his body, and covered the camera. The Broward County Medical Examiner's Office has reportedly confirmed Biggs' death.

According to Montana Miller of the Bowling Green State University, the circumstances of this case were not shocking: "If it's not recorded or documented, then it doesn't even seem worthwhile. For today's generation it might seem, 'What's the point of doing it if everyone isn't going to see it?'"

Biggs' sister Rosalind was angry that neither the website nor its viewers reacted soon enough to save him. "They got hits, they got viewers, nothing happened for hours," she said. She described him as "very happy" and "friendly and outgoing." "On a normal day, you couldn't really tell that he got as low as he did." However, he did have relationship problems with his girlfriend, according to a friend.

Mental health professionals have warned about the possibility that other mentally troubled people would copy his actions. According to Dr. David Shaffer of Columbia University, "Any video showing it as heroic or romantic or glamorous could reduce the anxiety people might feel about suicide. It becomes a respectable behavior and lowers the threshold of suicide." He and other psychiatrists recommend that potentially suicidal teens talk to others and "tell what's going on."

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C&D
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NY Times says Hillary Clinton accepts US Secretary of State position

November 21, 2008 The New York Times has stated that Hillary Clinton has accepted the position of the United States Secretary of State. In order to accept the position, she has to step down as the current junior senator of New York.

The Times quotes two unnamed Clinton campaign "confidants" who say that she is "ready" to take the position. Clinton would be the third woman in U.S. history to get the position. The other two were Madeline Albright and Condoleezza Rice.

Earlier campaign officials for U.S. president-elect Barack Obama said that Clinton would not be offered or accept the position until after the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday. Clinton aides reportedly tell the BBC that the reports are premature.

"We're still in discussions, which are very much on track. Any reports beyond that are premature," said one of Clinton's senior advisers, Philippe Reines.

"This is a bold choice for the President-elect known as 'No Drama Obama'. It is a high stakes gamble, subject to how this nomination is received, which will either be a 'sheer stroke of genius' or his 'first big blunder'," said Jon-Christopher Bua, a political analyst to Sky News.

"Judged solely on her own merits, Hillary is clearly an exceptionally bright and qualified candidate ready and able to take on this challenge," Bua added. "And she will now be working for the man who defeated her in a rather bitter contest to be the Democratic candidate."


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Thaksin's ex-wife appeals tax evasion conviction

November 21, 2008

An appeal has been filed by the former wife of fugitive Thai ex-Prime Minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, against her conviction and three year sentence for tax evasion. Potjaman Shinawatra, step-brother Bannapot Damapong, and her secretary Karnchanapa Honghern were previously found guilty of conspiring to evade taxes in a share transfer deal.

Thailand's Criminal Court ruled in July that the transfer of 4.5 million shares in Shin Computer and Communications (Now Shin Corp) was illegally declared as a family gift, and that the three conspired in the transfer arrangement to evade 546 million Baht (US$15 million) in taxes. Potjaman and her brother Bannapot were sentenced to three years each; her secretary Karnchanapa was sentenced to two years.

The 130 page writ of appeal was filed today, citing ten points where the prosecution is contested. The court had ruled that the disputed transaction did not actually take place in the stock market and there had been collusion to avoid paying the due tax.

Potjaman remains in self-imposed exile, having left Thailand while on bail following the prosecution. Her ex-husband Thaksin Shinawatra is believed to be in Dubai; the couple divorced in Hong Kong last week.


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 * (2008-11-20 22:52:47) rschen7754: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Freewayguy
 * (2008-11-20 22:52:51) rschen7754: can this guy be indef'ed
 * (2008-11-20 22:53:00) rschen7754: cross wiki vandal
 * (2008-11-20 22:54:05) rschen7754: !admin
 * (2008-11-20 22:54:51) rschen7754: !op
 * (2008-11-20 22:54:51) Wikilinker: rschen7754: Unknown command "op".
 * (2008-11-20 22:55:02) rschen7754: aha...
 * (2008-11-20 22:55:04) rschen7754: !op?
 * (2008-11-20 22:55:05) Wikilinker: rschen7754: Unknown command "op?".
 * (2008-11-20 23:03:19) ShakataGaNai: bah
 * (2008-11-20 23:03:22) ShakataGaNai: we have no ops
 * (2008-11-20 23:03:28) ShakataGaNai: just us chickens
 * (2008-11-20 23:03:32) rschen7754: admins
 * (2008-11-20 23:03:39) rschen7754: can you get this guy blocked?
 * (2008-11-20 23:04:12) ShakataGaNai: I'm looking
 * (2008-11-20 23:04:21) ShakataGaNai: you getting into a fight with him doesn't help
 * (2008-11-20 23:04:34) rschen7754: um... i indefblocked him on en wikipedia
 * (2008-11-20 23:04:43) rschen7754: he made death threats against me across wikimedia
 * (2008-11-20 23:05:18) ShakataGaNai: shiny?
 * (2008-11-20 23:05:38) ShakataGaNai: I will play with him, you will stop fighting with him here
 * (2008-11-20 23:05:42) ShakataGaNai: we'll all be happy
 * (2008-11-20 23:06:05) rschen7754: did you look at his global contribs?
 * (2008-11-20 23:06:20) ShakataGaNai: Don't need to
 * (2008-11-20 23:06:44) rschen7754: ... are you blocking?
 * (2008-11-20 23:06:55) ShakataGaNai: for 72 hours
 * (2008-11-20 23:07:10) rschen7754: block indef
 * (2008-11-20 23:07:14) rschen7754: look at the global contribs
 * (2008-11-20 23:07:58) rschen7754: i am seriously calling my local police department on this guy
 * (2008-11-20 23:08:10) rschen7754: so you better be blocking indef if i believe its that serious
 * (2008-11-20 23:10:37) rschen7754: he;s already been indef'ed on 9-10 wikis
 * (2008-11-20 23:12:25) rschen7754: i'm logging off, gonna start the legal process
 * (2008-11-20 23:12:41) ShakataGaNai: Good luck on that...
 * (2008-11-20 23:12:43) rschen7754: gonna get the authorities involved in getting this guy in trouble
 * (2008-11-20 23:12:47) rschen7754: did he get indef'ed?
 * (2008-11-20 23:12:49) ShakataGaNai: No
 * (2008-11-20 23:13:02) rschen7754: why not?
 * (2008-11-20 23:13:11) rschen7754: give me one good reason why he should not be indef'ed
 * (2008-11-20 23:13:58) ShakataGaNai: Because A) You got into it with him - which you should not have done. B) You are being rude too.  C) I don't know who you are - your IRC IP doesn't match the wiki IP.
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:06) ShakataGaNai: D) Making demands
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:15) rschen7754: uh, this guy wants to kill me?
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:23) rschen7754: do i need to get a steward to do it?
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:40) rschen7754: i'm on another computer that doesnt have IRC
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:43) ShakataGaNai: No. The projects are reasonably independent
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:46) ShakataGaNai: You asked for an admin to look
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:47) ShakataGaNai: I did
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:52) ShakataGaNai: If he continues
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:56) ShakataGaNai: I will shut him down
 * (2008-11-20 23:14:59) rschen7754: did you look at the darn global contribs?
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:00) ShakataGaNai: and right now he is shut down
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:02) ShakataGaNai: No, I didn't
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:06) rschen7754: look at them
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:36) ShakataGaNai: Go do your legal thing, and take care of your Wikipedia stuff.
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:45) rschen7754: go look at the global contribs
 * (2008-11-20 23:15:58) NewsWire: Earthquake: EQ 5.9 HONIARA, Solomon Islands - PRELIMINARY REPORT - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/catalogs/cap/at00725113
 * (2008-11-20 23:16:29) ShakataGaNai: Ok. I'm going to repeate myself nicely once more.  Thank you for letting us know.  I will continue to look at the situation, I'm still trying to figure out what's going on.
 * (2008-11-20 23:16:36) ShakataGaNai: The situation will get delt with here
 * (2008-11-20 23:16:42) ShakataGaNai: Have a nice day.
 * (2008-11-20 23:17:49) rschen7754: go look at the global contribs
 * (2008-11-20 23:19:49) DanielB [n=Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel] entered the room.
 * (2008-11-20 23:20:44) rschen7754 left the room (quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client").

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Two veteran actors to depart beleaguered soap 'Days of our Lives'

November 21, 2008

One week after the eleventh-hour renewal of the American soap opera Days of our Lives, NBC, the network airing the series in the United States, has let it known that the renewal has come at a price, namely a lower one. As a result of further cost-cutting measures to keep the show afloat through September 2010, two of the longest-running actors on the serial have had their contracts severed.

Deidre Hall and Drake Hogestyn, who have played the characters of Marlena Evans and John Black for decades, have taped their final episodes and have been officially released from their obligations at Days of our Lives. When contacted by Wikinews, Days publicist Daniela Mancinelli commented "Days of our Lives has decided to rest the characters of 'John Black' and 'Marlena Evans.' After a year of separation, 'John' and 'Marlena' will finally reunite before exiting the canvas in early 2009."

The surprise renewal of the serial and the high-profile terminations come at an awkward time for the show, because, despite improving on ratings numbers this year and being the only soap opera not to lose viewers, it was highly expected that the series would simply end its run once its contract ran out in March of next year. In early 2007, at a fall preview unveiling for reporters, NBC president Jeff Zucker made a statement indicating that the show would not be renewed past 2009.

The renewal was apparently contingent on lowering overall budget numbers, which includes either lowering salaries for actors or terminating them completely. One actor, Jay Kenneth Johnson, who plays the character Philip Kiriakis, left of his own accord earlier this week after being asked to take a voluntary pay cut in exchange for a contract renewal.

Longtime fans of the series are upset at the cast upheaval, with The Tampa Tribune noting loud fan protest on message boards devoted to the drama series. The New York Daily News told readers that next week there will be more news about the current budget situation facing the series, and more potential cast layoffs to be announced. Days publicist Daniela Mancinelli, after being contacted by Wikinews, said that she does not comment on the status of actors' contracts.


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E-mail from Daniela Mancinelli to me will be forwarded to the Wikinewsie accredited reporters list for verification. Mike Halterman (talk) 00:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * The e-mails were already sent to the Wikinewsie list. I don't copy and paste e-mails publicly, but I do send them to the other accredited reporters who can verify that what I did actually happened. Mike Halterman (talk) 20:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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Gas prices in the U.S. fall below $2 a gallon

November 21, 2008

For the first time in nearly four years, the national average for a gallon of gasoline in the United States has fallen below $2. The American Automobile Association (AAA) reports local, state, and national averages daily, and Friday's findings show that the national average for a gallon of unleaded gasoline is now at $1.989 cents, free-falling from the record high of $4.114 a gallon reached on July 17. Friday also marks the 64th straight day in which retail prices for gasoline have fallen.

The sharp drop in prices does not automatically translate into more driving trips for Americans, however. Next week's Thanksgiving holiday, traditionally one of the most traveled holidays of the year, will see a decline in drivers on American roads. 41 million people are expected to drive at least 50 miles for Thanksgiving, a decline of 1.4% from the previous year and the first decline since 2002, while the economy was still shaky after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

The drop in gasoline prices has correlated with the free-fall in the price of crude oil, resting below $50 a barrel from a peak of $147 in July. With the world coming to grips with the beginnings of a recession, low gas prices are not translating to freer spending habits or to discarding ideas for hybrid and electric cars.

Despite falling gas prices, the mood was muted at this week's Los Angeles Auto Show. Ford introduced a modified version of their hybrid Fusion automobile, amid reports from Capitol Hill calling the Big 3 automakers "out of touch" with today's necessities, and BMW unveiled an all-electric car called the Mini E.

Peter Beutel, president of the energy risk management firm Cameron Hanover, believes national gas prices will bottom out around $1.75. "I think in some of these very low-cost areas like New Jersey or Texas, you might even see it come down to $1.65," he said. Currently, unleaded gasoline is below $2 a gallon in 23 different states. Alaska has the highest statewide average, at $3.077 a gallon, and Missouri the lowest, at $1.690.


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Welcome to the Wikinews World News Quiz, giving you a chance to test your knowledge on this week's news.

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Great news. I saw $1.71 in Roseville, Minnesota today. —Calebrw (talk) 07:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Love it!
Was able to top off my tank with $15... with an empty tank, $20! A month ago, that would get me about 3/4. --TUFKAAP (talk) 14:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

This is only..
temporary .I don't want to break the fun of the low gasoline price but this will only last as long as the economy is doing badly. So don't scrap the idea of not buying an electric or hybrid car because prices are going to rise again and higher than ever. --69.157.172.221 16:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

woot
Man, deflation can be kind of cool. Fephisto (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


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Another grenade attack in Thailand injures eight

November 22, 2008 Early this morning, a grenade attack on People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters at Thailand's Government House injured eight, two seriously.

This is the second attack this week, following an earlier grenade attack on Thursday which killed one and injured between 20 and 29. The earlier attack prompted planning for a rally and march on parliament tomorrow where the PAD aims to try and topple the current People's Power Party (PPP) government.

According to Thailand's English-language paper, The Nation, doctors have stated that one of those injured in the blast is brain dead. Anupong Samerphak, one of the PAD security staff, was hit in the body and neck by shrapnel from the grenade and remains on a respirator.

Further details of The Nation's report state that eyewitnesses claim two teenagers made use of a grenade launcher to carry out the attack before making their escape on a motorcycle. In addition to the eight casualties, two pick-up trucks, a car, and a motorcycle were damaged; the blast left a crater near the Fifth gate of the Government House compound.

The anti-government PAD protesters have now been occupying the Government House compound for over three months, demanding the dissolution of the government of Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat. They assert that the PPP is acting on behalf of deposed former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, whose populist Thai Rak Thai (lit. Thais love Thais) government was overthrown by a military coup in 2006 and later outlawed. Both Somchai and his predecessor in the post of PM, Samak Sundaravej, have faced fierce criticism from the yellow-shirted protest movement. Samak was forced out of office in September, with Somchai, Thaksin's brother-in-law, acting as caretaker until officially assuming the office later in September.

The embattled current PM, Somchai, expressed fears to journalists over the planned PAD protest for tomorrow and Monday. Speaking in Peru, where he is attending an APEC summit, he highlighted the possibility of the demonstrations impeding the passage of 24 new laws related to the country's involvement in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). Delegations from other nations attending the APEC summit have expressed surprise that Thailand has not taken action to dislodge the protesters from Government House.


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Comments:US Nazi leader talks about Barack Obama, the economy and more

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Kinda hard to take this guy seriously, his mind is a little unevolved. He uses the term "race" too much, races have already been sorted out, nothin he can do about it, time to move on. The term "race" should rarely ever come up for any reason, period. Especially when we live in countries who are mixes of every race, its just stupid to use the term race in America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.158.69.239 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 22 November 2008

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K if this "leader" has a problem with race, he should time travel back to when the different haplogroups expanded out of Africa and became different races of humans, not in 2009 when hundreds of different races live amongst the same colonies, and families even. He's a little outdated, kind of like a dinosaur. Race means nothing anymore, it is simply a perception another gets of you due to your ancestors choice of where to evolve on the planet, nothing more. He can say it's "in the blood", or some crap like that, but no, no they're still just as human as he. The cultural differences are merely superficial, they can be changed, altered, expanded, and eliminated. I really have absolutely no problem if the president of the United States has a darker tone skin than myself, if that is as deep into another person as someone can see, then what does that say about them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.69.239 (talk) 18:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

K if this "leader" has a problem with race, he should time travel back to when the different haplogroups expanded out of Africa and became different races of humans, not in 2009 when hundreds of different races live amongst the same colonies, and families even. He's a little outdated, kind of like a dinosaur. Race means nothing anymore, it is simply a perception another gets of you due to your ancestors choice of where to evolve on the planet, nothing more. He can say it's "in the blood", or some crap like that, but no, no they're still just as human as he. The cultural differences are merely superficial, they can be changed, altered, expanded, and eliminated. I really have absolutely no problem if the president of the United States has a darker tone skin than myself, it means nothing, it's only what your eyes see, and your brain tells you, it means nothing for any race anywhere. Besides, what is it with white people calling America their home? I'm pretty sure there were millions of other, more...er a hell of alot more civilized than our western society is, who's population declined by 95% once our ancestors arrived, so everything this guy says about his "home" is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.69.239 (talk) 19:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

 * You are aware what Nazism is, right? --128.243.253.114 23:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow! "Commander"...
I don't know what's funnier... A nazi "Commander" with an electric sports car, to "save the environment" or his dimwitted perspective. Well, they didn't think much about the environment when they burned all those people back then... So maybe I'll go for him being an ass... What a dipshit loser... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.241.151.126 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 22 November 2008

 * Yes, it's very strange... I didn't expect to be looking towards the National Socialists for policies on nuclear disarmament, the shutdown of Guantanamo Bay and the popularisation of hybrid cars... are these fascists or pacifists? I can't tell! --128.243.253.114 23:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

 * American Nazis share a lot of ideals in common with libertarians, so it shouldn't surprise you (you may see a few more familiar points on the list, such as "the right to bear guns" - historical true Nazis weren't too keen on that, either!). Also, Nazis tend do be rather environmentalist these days, especially on the intersection of NS and various neo-Pagan religion. Overall, this guy seems to be genuine. But oh, teh grammer! 81.5.104.39 12:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Honestly, the thing I admire about this guy is the cognitive dissonance that must be required to blame everything on the jews in light of the media exposing Muslims as the perpetrators of everything bad in the last 8 years. Good thing they know that the media is complicit in the Zionist conspiracy. --204.81.230.186 14:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this a joke? ~ Benjamin Goodger, UK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.84.254 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 22 November 2008

Why is socialism included in their name?
Why in the world does this group have socialist party in their name, this is like the absolute opposite of socialism in every way imaginable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soapy (talk • contribs) 04:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * This group believes that they espouse the original ideals of "National Socialism" as outlined in the NSDAP programme. If you read the latter, you'll see that it certainly does include quite a few socialist measures (welfare state, guaranteed right to work and pensions, universal healthcare for nationals, and so on). 81.5.104.39 13:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"Zimbabwe"
Interesting he called the country "Zimbabwe" instead of what every other white nationalist (and a few normal conservatives) call it, "Rhodesia". I question his devotion to our white race! 204.116.19.240 05:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Why would you give free publicity and legitimacy to an openly racist, ignorant, and utterly irrelevant fringe political figure? Who cares what this angry, deluded loudmouth with a few thousand followers believes? What's the point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.207.226 (talk) 05:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I enjoy reading about the openly racist, ignorant utterly irrelevant views of the neo-Nazis and their jaded look on life. Racism is not funny, but the racists themselves are because they in the end make themselves are more scum of the earth, then the people they claim are scum. --TUFKAAP (talk) 07:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was actually expecting his responses to be significantly less reasonable than they were—the man may be a racist, but he doesn't come across as an idiot, which is somewhat surprising. Jade Knight (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Idiots breed more idiots
It blows my mind to give this kind of idiotic ignorant person a platform to speak. Is journalism so desparate and ran out of stories? Please it is an offense to breed these idiots in this great nation. Let them rot or EDUCATE THESE IDIOTS! Which century mind set do these idiots have, blaming Israel or Jews for everything! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.68.77.71 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 23 November 2008

 * Why? Let people see them for what they are. If you silence the fanatics, that gives them an area of mysticism and martyrdom. If you let them speak openly, and publish what they say, they are quickly exposed as the clowns that they are. This interview, with "teh evil Zionists" in every second sentence, is a prime example. By all means, spread it wide! Let the idiocy speak for itself! 81.5.104.39 13:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would generally agree. But I would take it a step further: do not give them a platform, and then ignore them. You have to respond to them (in the opinion section, of course). A proper response entails some sort of argument; not simply dismissing them as "idiots". Also, one should be careful not to dismiss all things merely associated with Nazism as "idiocy", simply because it is associated. Although no one has done so here, to my knowledge (although the rampant dismissal of all critique of zionism, simply because it happens to also be associated with Nazis, is kinda lame), I find it necessary to point this out as well. Criticism of the Federal Reserve, which is associated with both Nazism (apparently) and Austro-libertarianism, would be another potential target of those who subscribe to the package-deal fallacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.213.138 (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * I bet that the person who wrote this news item is the so-called commander. Of course Wikinews doesn't necessarily vet these articles, there just isn't enough people writing for Wikinews. However, this article makes me want to avoid Wikinews like the plague. 59.101.186.198 03:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

commander? obongo?
I'm a little bit confused, I really don't get why this guy is on here, and why he gets a public forum to talk about his "views".

To make sth. clear, I'm from Austria, I'm a little concerned when I see all those Flags with Nazi signs on them, here in Austria we are not allowed to promote Nazism.

To get to the Point: Who is this commander? Is he any kind of commander of any army (besides his own, self promoted stuff)? I mean if not, I am available for an Interview, just call me god and I'm good with it.

Secondly, there is this Obongo word. I don't know, maybe the Interviewer can take a look at that, was that what he said or is this a typo??

This is not in any kind news needed to be published, I think that's the wrong kind of sign we send to people about collaboration and wikinews...

so I just went to the wikipedia. this amazing national socialist bla... has only a tiny entry in the wikipedia, and their website looks... well let's say pretty much WW2. This Interview with this guy, and esp. in the tone it's made is at least in my mind simply wrong. It's glorifying and promoting. I would be against it if you'd have an interview with Ronald Mc. Donalds (or insert any other company here), and it's the same here.

This article is neither sourced nor neutral. could please some mod delete this sh..? Or AT LEAST participate in the discussion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatshouldIsay (talk • contribs) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is original reporting, so it doesn't need sources - just OR notes.
 * We irregularly interview fringe politicians, the big guns won't talk to us. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

 * If you want to raise an issue and get the regulars to participate/discuss, then really that is what the talk page is for, whereas here you just post your views. To respond generally, the public needs to have these things presented clearly to them so they can decide for themselves what/who to believe/follow. If you want to contact the Nazi party they will happily confirm the interview as reported; you cannot source something when you are the original source. And, yes, Obongo is not a typo.
 * Laws concerning Nazism and related speech are different in the US. Austria, as you say, outright bans Nazism, as does Germany. I'm not sure if the UK does, but there have other laws in the UK that individually ban most of their views and ideas. Schoep is on the no-entry list for Britain. I'm not sure what the laws are like elsewhere, but certainly the US is lax. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Commander ? ? ?

Of what ? ? ?

Star Trek or a bunch of silly boys playing "Mister Dress-Up". . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.12.161 (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

The guy might appear more credible without the dopey uniform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.12.161 (talk) 01:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

There are at least two other Nazi Parties

 * American Nazi Party www.americannaziparty.com

 * National Socialist American Labor Party www.nsalp.org

The NSALP Party seems to be the most political and is not based on race and has a web site that has a lot of political and economic material. From what I can see there is a differance, some of these groups are really just white sepratists, while others like the nsalp are actually National Socialists in a political sense and has political positions on a large variety of issues.

I also fould a cashed web site of another group called the National Socialist Order, but it seemed to bee a off shoot of Schoeps group who left because they were upset at Schoeps moral failings, apparent he left his wife and children and moved in with another woman leaving the mother of his children. They seemed to think this fell into the catagory of conduct like minorities that Schoep attacks. hardly traditional National Socialist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.221.197 (talk) 18:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Common sense policies for a better America!
I do not know much about American politics. However, I echo the commander’s stance on Israel. Living in Great Britain and running the British First Party, I understand perfectly the need to put our own citizens first. Support for Israel has been the ruination of the United States and Great Britain. Many of the problems that face America and the United Kingdom would evaporate like the dawn mist if our people had the courage to lift there head above the parapet and stand up and be counted like the commander has.

Today our nations face a foe more dangerous because he dwells within, and a situation no less grave because to all it is not yet visible. We have been divided and we have been conquered because by division of the Aryan alone we can be conquered. Class against class, faction against faction, party against party, interest against interest, man against man, and brother against brother has been the tactic of the warfare by which the Aryan in the modern age for the first time in their history have been subdued. We have been defeated, too, at a moment in our history when the world was at our feet, because the heritage won for us by the heroism of our fore fathers in two world wars affords to Aryans the genius of modern science, and the new and unprecedented triumph of the human mind, an opportunity of material achievement leading, through the gift of economic freedom, to a higher spiritual civilisation than mankind in the long story of the human race has yet witnessed. But for the moment the Aryans are defeated and acquiescence in defeat means the end. On the one hand, continued lethargy can lead only to unlimited chaos, ending in ultimate destruction, and, on the other, new effort can open before us a vista of unparalleled and unlimited opportunity. We offer the Aryan people through the British First Party and in America, The National socialist Movement, the opportunity to challenge the verdict of history and once again inscribe our names on all that is great and good about our national psyche. Humanity can never stand still, and at this moment more than any other in our history the alternatives before our great nations are heroism or oblivion. That is the question that must be answered as the noon day clock of this epoch strikes and for which every factor and symptom of the current situation presses decision. Is it now possible by a supreme effort of the Aryan spirit and the human will to arrest what in the light of all past history would appear to be the course of destiny itself? We have reached the period, by every indication available to the intellect, at which each civilisation of the past has begun to traverse that downward path to the dust and ashes from which their glory has never returned.

Every fatal symptom of the past is present in the modern situation, from the uprooting of the people's contact with the soil to the development of usury and the rule of money power, accompanied by social decadence and alien vice that flaunts itself in the face of our youth are all precursors of decline.

I believe Britain and America shall both be great again. Both the commander and I (Kevin Quinn – British First Party) have the desire to arrest our national decline and build societies based on core values and shared beliefs in social justice. It can be achieved but only with the will of the people. For Britain and Americans united are invincible and together we can build a new civilisation that shall be the glory and the travail of the ages to come. We can offer you ittle in exchange other than the deep rooted belief that we are doing something so that two great countries will live again.

Kevin Quinn

British First Party

National Socialist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.235.178 (talk) 00:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

 * You sir, much like the Commander, are an asshat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.12.230.196 (talk) 17:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Do you take mushrooms before you hit the keyboard? --Brian McNeil / talk 23:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Commander *snorts* Schoep, even in his most polished responses, is an illogical ass. In his response to Obama becoming the president he wrote, "We are white, therefore we are the leaders." What kind of person would think that makes sense? It is a completely illogical jump, and shows how dumbfounded he is by the rhetoric of his party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.191.187 (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

"I believe Britain and America shall both be great again." Trump2016: Make America Great Again! Britain too! (Caution, this comment may contain traces of satire.) 69.113.198.73 (talk) 06:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

THIS NAZI PERSON
MAN STOP TRYING TO PUT OBAMA DOWN WE ARWE PROUD THAT A MAN OF OUR RACE IS PRESIDENT THIS IS A HISTORIC MOMMENT YOUR STUPID PEOPLE ARE MESSING EVERYTHING UP NOBODY CARE ABOUT NAZIS ANYMORE HITLER DID ENOUGH DAMAGE PERSONALLY I LOVE ALL RRELIGIONS JEWS AND CRISTIAN DONT MATTER WHAT MATTERS IS THE INSIDE NOT THERE RELIGION AND IM GOING TO TELL YOU NOW MAN GOD DONT LIKE UGLY AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT NAZI'S ARE UGLY.OBAMA IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PRESIDENT THIS NATION HAS EVER HAD HE IS A SMART INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN HE IS A STRONG BLACK MAN SO DONT BE MAD BECAUSE NOW ITS OUR TIME TO SHINE AND HE IS THE ONE THAT GOD HAS CHOSE TO SHINE FOR ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS.

SAME PERSON
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.108.96.18 (talk) 18:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

What I don't get, honestly, is why nearly every single one of you either says he's an idiot for being racist (hint: everyone is a little intolerant of something, I don't like city people for example) and yet ignore his politics. I don't give a shit if he's racist, nor do I care if he's clinging to the nostalgia of the Third Reich and possibly how incredibly kinky Nazi uniforms are in the bedroom. (they are) All I care about, in this case, is his political stances. I probably really do not agree with the socialist part, but the nationalist part I do agree with. I think the "America First" agenda is awesome, as we're really sliding into the same bracket as all those countries we pay money for so they don't devolve into anarchy. Plus, what business do we even have messing with other countries in the first place? So people are starving in Africa, too bad, people starve here too. It's like having a pet; you pamper it and feed it for so long and eventually, if lost or it runs away, your pet will be unable to fend for itself. Your beloved lapdog will not return because it died because you eroded it's ability to be autonomous.

So I fully support his America First policy. Do I give a shit about Israel or Jews in general? No, that's their own thing to worry about. In my opinion, the biggest problem the world has, my country (United States, in case anybody didn't gather that) has, is that everyone's noses is jammed so far up everyone else's noses that it has become uncomfortable and even worse; fashionable. Oh! Save this, do this, care about that, worry about that. I've got my own problems, and they're mine to deal with. I keep to my own business because that's how I was raised and that's how I style myself. I was reluctant to even post this, but I feel it may benefit some. I probably won't get to see any of comments in response as I'm forgetful and I have to leave to find a job in five minutes. I just hope somebody might understand why he has his views, at least politically, and perhaps learn to not be so dismissive of somebody because they don't agree with you. Think now, replace "Jew" with some other demographic, who can't you stand? I assure you if you think hard enough, you will discover you're just as ignorant as he is.

It does matter if it's racism, sexism, or some other ism, we all share a disdain for the different.--64.90.84.103 12:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Commander Schoep is a complete idiot.
I read his article with horror and realised that some fools still believe in Hitler's complete and utter twaddle. You cannot wipe out the Jews just because you don't agree with them. It's like saying let's kill all the Italians because too much pizza makes you fat. There will be no peace in the world until true Christianity is embraced by every living soul, anybody with half an ounce of common sense knows this. Leslie Julian Luker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.249.131 (talk) 12:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

You clearly didn't read the article. The party opposses zionists which are evil people. Both extreme right wing AND High ranking rabiis agree that a zionist is NOT a jew.

Keep fighting the good fight brother know that there are many like you and were just looking for a leader to leads us to RaHoWa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.44.246 (talk) 05:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hail the Feurer
Keep fighting the good fight brother there are many like you waiting for a leader to lead us to RaHoWa WE WIL RISE AGAINDecember 7, 2008

When are you people going to open your eyes
do you see my white people u will keep on trying to oppose the racially aware white citizens you motherfuckers always talking about us descrimating against other races but you descrimate against your own white people just the same way see it seem that we are more alike then you think or you may never realize it until our race is at the brink of extiction just know one day the white race will awaken from it slumber and purify the land from all the darkness that has shadow this land for far to long

Disguise
He has a point on multiple issues, renewable energy, Israel being a destabilising influence on the middle east and the illegality of Guantanamo Bay. If his party was willing to change the name, drop the costume and hide the hatred they could probably appeal to a greater segment of the electorate.

The only thing stopping people like the commander ever getting elected is that their hatred is so all-consuming that they cannot disguise or hide it. At the very least we should applaud him for his honesty, a person with less integrity would try and get elected with false promises, and cheap platitudes and then unleash the bigotry.

 * Trump2016! 69.113.198.73 (talk) 06:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

National Socialism
I hope people recognize the difference between leftist socialism and right-wing National Socialism (ie Nazism). --Poisonous (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Disgusted, Appalled
I am disgusted and appalled that someone has the galls to put this up on Wikipedia. The simple existence of this page is, and forever will be, a stain on the Wikipedia movement. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 06:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I am disgusted and appalled that Arbiteroftruth is not only too stupid to recognise that s/he cannot counter a movement's views if they don't understand them, thus making the interview useful even to an oponent, but has not even worked out that Wikipedia is over there and this is Wikinews. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

He talks a good argument
He may be a "nazi", but in reality you can see he is an intelligent man. His ideas for the economy make sense. Furthermore he talks about the problem of israel, which is very real.

I belive that if anyone read this, and ignored the common "Nazi" stereotypes, they would agree that this is the best thing for america —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.171.245 (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Barack husaine Obama
i think obama is giving the green cards to ilegile aliens because he wants to fight back

Lumpkin County High School student agrees with nsm88 cumander
i agree with the cumander about Obama and i should be president if i was in the NSM88 i would setle things my way

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Schoep seems to be very intelligent and articulate. His policies seem to be very well thought out and surprisingly make perfect sense. If people would just let go of their preconceived notions of "nazis" this country could be a much better place of people leading productive and peaceful lives. —75.203.61.30 (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The real Nazis are dead.
I find it hard to believe that Wikipedia would publish something this ignorant and narrow minded. I find it hard to believe that there are still people supporting the idea of a "National Socialist Party" in America because anyone who lives in American and has an IQ above 30 knows that the extreme majority of Americans despise Nazis and there supporters, and who could blame them. America is a country that's core values are equality, religious freedom, and tolerance from those who are different from us and although our Government and citizens in the past have not have reflected these values i believe that in today's world America does. The NSM will never win an election on any level in America because American's citizens won't allow these ignorant, simple minded Hitler freaks to hold political office. The insane belief that the NSM will somehow mirror the Nazi party of Germany just proves that the people involved and behind the movement are living in some fantasy world. There are no more real Nazis they have all been dead for a while and the sooner these Hitler Wonna-bes realize that, the sooner they can stop wasting there time trying to imitate a group of people who have already been killed off.

 * I find it hard to believe that you are so ignorant you don't know that you aren't even on Wikipedia. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 19:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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The Party is a bunch of frustrated fools full of vanity —204.85.66.81 (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

F***in' nazi. what kind of idiot supports a group of people that killed over 6,000,000 me, women and children because they were either gypsies, hadicapped, black, or Jewish. i can't believe wikinews wanted to interview this b**ch. tell that commander of crackheads to go f**** himself.

Funny
I found this Wikinews article while researching several subjects.

Reading the comments makes me question who harbors the most hate, Commander Schoep, or those of you on here spewing bile. Most of you seem to be so hung up on the word "Nazi" that you have no desire to look any deeper than the tips of your noses. While I am not a National Socialist, I am willing to at least listen.

I imagine many commenting here are the highest form of hypocrites, preaching "tolerance", "tolerance", all of the time, while violently spewing bile at anything that does not fit into your worldview. It's funny, actually, in a way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.67.15.114 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 28 April 2011

NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT CONDEMNS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ABUSE OF EXECUTIVE POWER FOR IMMIGRATION
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On November 20th, 2014, United States President Barack Obama issued a statement trumpeting his executive action aimed at streamlining immigration. The National Socialist Movement (—) believes that, not only are such orders tantamount to 'amnesty' for illegal immigrants (aliens), but such an executive order will be additionally divisive to the already divided American Congress.

This is the truly defining issue of our generation. Such mass amnesty is the key to implementing the entire globalist agenda in the United States as well as around the world. If the legalized attack of nonindigenous peoples is not beaten back, America risks wide-scale bloodshed that will almost certainly cause the situation to degrade into ethnic conflict as it has in other corners of the Earth.

This is not a 'white-only' issue, but of vital interest to various non-white ethnic groups. Inherent prime agendas can be put aside for the time it takes to stop the unseating of the power structure by such an unconscionable action.

Mass amnesty is in fact a declaration of war on White America, and an effrontery by the Obama Administration towards law-abiding citizens in this country. Republicans are caving in to Obama, in the pathetic notion that by catering to Latinos they will somehow hold onto power. Amnesty will not be tolerated by the American people, and those who promote the destruction of our sovereignty must be pursued to the fullest extent of the law until they are caught and punished. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.2.218.5 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 28 November 2014


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November 23, 2008 The online video sharing site YouTube has today hosted the first official "" event, which featured many popular musicians and contributors to the site.

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Militants, pirates may fight over Saudi oil tanker

November 22, 2008 militants have vowed to fight pirates holding the oil tanker  off the Somalian coast. The militants are angered over the seizure of a 'Muslim' ship.

The tanker is anchored near, a town controlled by the Islamists. The Sirius Star, owned by Saudi state firm, has a crew of 25 from , Saudi Arabia, , , and. A ransom of $25 million is being sought, a quarter of the value of the vessel's cargo of oil.

"Hijacking a Muslim ship is a major crime," said militant spokesman Sheikh Abdi Rihin Isse Adow. "We strongly oppose piracy actions in our waters." Spokesman Abdirahim Isse Adow said: "We have arranged our fighters. The first step is to cut off pirates inland from those on the Saudi ship by restricting their supplies and cutting their communications."

They could have a fight on their hands, as the pirates have also been bringing in fighters in preparation for possible military attacks from various foreign navies that have arrived in the area to combat the growing threat from pirates. "I hope the owner of the tanker is wise enough and won’t allow any military option because that would be disastrous for everybody. We are here to defend the tanker if attacked," said pirate Abdiyare Moalim.

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I removed the above link because when I clicked on it, two additional pop-up pages opened, a background download began and my PC was partially infected with the Virtumonde trojan. This despite running Zone Alarm and AVG.

This was the only page I was browsing and the infection was definitely instigated by clicking that link. It's extremely irresponsible to leave it in the article.

My edit was not an attempt at vandalism, nor was it a misguided attempt to help by a panicking amateur - I've been using PCs for well over fiteen years and am well aware of what happened.
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Seems like expected response from a group effectively operating regardless of national borders. Probably a fair match overall. Now if these were militant ninjas then the pirates would need to be very worried ... 68.210.75.53 06:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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A bladder holding 10,000 megalitres of water at the Bedford Weir near Blackwater, Queensland has burst, sending flood waters rushing into the Fitzroy River towards the barrage near Rockhampton. It is believed up to four people who were in the vicinity of the dam before the breach may be missing.

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ABC says one missing and Herald Sun says a child is missing. Bidgee (talk) 12:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This information came to light after the article was written - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 12:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

"Megaliters" ?
Is that a normal unit of measure? Wouldn't something like "10 billion liters" work better? 68.39.174.238 18:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, megalitre would be correct here. Litre.Peachey88 (Contribs) (Wikipedia: Userpage) (Wikipedia: Talkpage) 14:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Deceptive
The title is deceptive and makes it sound like the dam burst when it didn't, the inflatable bladder around the dam did. It should be updated to reflect that, yes there were four people in there at the time, of which three managed to make it out but a young girl was swept away and died. Peachey88 (Contribs) (Wikipedia: Userpage) (Wikipedia: Talkpage) 14:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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This might not be the first time for this but it certainly won't be the last!

again?
This happens all the time. Now that major media has picked up on it its suddenly become an issue. Nothing is going to change really, its not like these cam sites can monitor every broadcast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.228.129.185 (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

So he was a showman. Who cares. Most people lead lives of misery anyway. Shows he had above average intelligence. I say good for him, and hopefully the reporters covering him with their tired old bxllshxt will follow suit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.110.47 (talk) 19:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Terrible!
This is just so disgusting! How can someone go on about making a case about kill yourself and go to the point of posting a suicide note on a forum and have hundreds of people just laugh? I could sort of understand if he had been contemplating this for a long time and people stopped believing him... However, some one should of stould up and took action even if he was just faking it. --Ub3rst4r (talk) 20:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

How can his be happening?
Join the discussion here http://suicide.findfastr.com/suicide/how-can-this-be-happening Further support here http://www.suicidesurvivalguide.com

Kath —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.205.197 (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Many international viewers tried to alert the police but they refused to act. The police need to get shamed here for ignoring multiple calls that warned them of what was going on.

I feel so sorry for his family- my thoughts & prayers go out to them. As for the action of videocamming (or whatever it is called) I see that alot of the shows on tv are doing the same- showing people being murdered, raped etc live. It is no wonder in this crazy world of technology??? that people are getting these ideas. We should have taken control years ago by boycotting what horrific shows are on tv. I hope noone else copies this young mans actions and I hope that his family can find some peace in their lives in this terrible time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.73.86 (talk) 14:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

teen broadcasts suicide
I agree with the sister. Anyone that cheered should be arrested. The sites should be sued to the bare bone to show we won't stand for them selling this kind of garbage. I hope alot of folks go to jail. DavidG--76.75.1.46 15:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you blame the people watching for this? The internet is not responsible for HIS actions. Given the garbage that is spread on the net, like 4chan for example, I don't know how anyone could have believed the kid was actually going to do it. As for the people who watched, how in the hell do you expect them to know where this kid lived to stop his actions? How was anyone to know it was serious (even though he announced it days before)? To blame the site, and the users is ridiculous. Humans are responsible for their own actions. And if you, an adult or young adult, cannot hold responsibility for your actions, then you need some mental health counseling. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll add to DragonFire1024's sentiment by asking a simple question: If someone jumps off a bridge, are the people in the cars driving past responsible? Same situation. Gopher65talk 17:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Public suicides
According to Montana Miller of the Bowling Green State University, cases like this are not rare: "If it's not recorded or documented, then it doesn't even seem worthwhile. For today's generation it might seem, What's the point of doing it if everyone isn't going to see it?"

It's always been like this. Think of Jesus, what if nobody knew of his suicide? --195.49.248.147 17:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

What is wrong with people
I am listening to Glen Beck on KTAR tell this story. What is wrong with people today? Why dont we help each other? WHY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.146.171 (talk) 20:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See above comments...Humans are responsible for their actions, not the internet. It was NO one's responsibility to do anything. Stop blaming the internet and the people who watched. They had nothing to do with his suicide. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. In my opinion, people have a right to their lives and equivalent rights to end said lives. Preferably, there is nothing the police could do. (Excepting, of course, a situation in which his suicide disrupted his parents or other property owners, whereupon it would be proper for the police to evict him from the property. I wouldn't want someone killing themselves in my house either.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.213.138 (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

some people do the craziest things to get attention. :O

people these days...
'''some people these days dont stop to get attention. i cant believe that they even would kill themselves for attention.'''

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Opposing Thai protesters mass, PAD to march on parliament

November 23, 2008

Thailand's ongoing political crisis continues today with pro- and anti-government rallies being held. Meeting outside Bangkok, the pro-government United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) is holding one of their "Truth Today" talkshows at Suan Kaew Temple. In the anti-government camp, supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) are massing at the occupied Government House compound and calling their planned march on parliament their "final battle".

In contrast to a confrontation with authorities which could last days, the pro-government UDD talk show and rally is expected to disperse this evening. Organisers and government party MPs have given assurances there are no plans to confront PAD demonstrators.

Ensconced in the Government House compound since August, the PAD protesters' march on parliament was announced over this weekend following a grenade attack on Thursday that killed one and injured over 20. The yellow-shirted protesters assert that the People's Power Party (PPP) government lead by Somchai Wongsawat is too close to fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra. Protest leaders insist their planned siege of the parliament is intended to prevent discussion of legislation to amend the constitution. The PAD claim the amendments are intended to rehabilitate Thaksin and members of his outlawed Thai Rak Thai party who were banned from holding office. The Prime Minister has denied any plans to review this draft legislation, stating that the agenda is predominantly related to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

With two killed and over 500 injured in the last attempt to disrupt parliament, various hospitals and groups of medical staff are on standby, ready to treat any injured protesters. The October 7 protest at parliament saw police fire explosive tear gas rounds into the PAD crowd, causing death and loss of limbs. Following instructions from the Public Health Minister, Chalerm Yubamrung, eleven hospitals have been told to be on alert.


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