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Dubai receives bailout from Abu Dhabi

December 14, 2009

The government of Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates has agreed to give US$10 billion to its neighboring emirate, allowing the state-owned Dubai World conglomerate to repay its immediate debt obligations. Dubai says more than $4 billion of the injection will be given to Dubai World's property firm, Nakheel, to repay its Islamic bond that matures Monday. The remaining funds will go towards additional expenses.

News of the last-minute bailout caused Asian stocks to rebound and pushed European shares up, which saw gains for a third straight session. Markets in the UAE also rose, with Dubai's index moving up by 10 percent and Abu Dhabi's jumping by seven percent. Despite the good news, Algebra Capital Managing Director Dino Kronfol says Dubai is not out of the woods yet. "This is not something that is going to be resolved in a matter of weeks. It's going to take some time," Kronfol said. "It's going to involve restructuring and we'll have to see how that transpires. But nonetheless, this is a positive development today."

The situation is completely different from just a few weeks ago, when Dubai World shook up global markets by asking for a standstill on its $26 billion debt. The government of Dubai made matters worse when it announced it would not guarantee the state-owned company's bills.

Dubai World's creditors still need to approve the standstill and effectively have until December 28 to make a decision. That is when the grace period of Nakheel's bond ends. The government of Dubai has issued a new law allowing the conglomerate to file for bankruptcy if its restructuring is not successful. But Kronfol says, if the process focuses on necessary aspects, it will succeed.

"If the restructuring actually deals with Dubai's contingent liabilities," Kronfol said, "as a long-term solution, this actually really will help put the whole debt situation of Dubai behind us and really allow the markets to look more positively at 2010 and beyond."

Government sources say Dubai World's restructuring process could include asset sales, but they would be limited to the Nakheel and Limitless companies and not include Istithmar World, which owns U.S. Luxury retailer Barneys.

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Wikipedia isn't actually considered a reliable source; no encyclopedia is. I've changed that bit to a footnote (which we've never really done before). Ideally this should be changed over to picking up the sources Wikipedia itself used for the figures you're interested in.

Other than that, this is nice and tidily laid out, looks fairly well-written, but I'm getting on with my own at the moment (as well as cooking) and I've 3 legal briefs to wade through plus chase people to answer searching emails. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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Berlusconi to remain in hospital after assault

December 14, 2009

The Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, is to remain in the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan, following yesterday's assault which left him with facial damage, two broken teeth, a broken nose and cuts to his lips. The assault on the 73-year-old media mogul came at the end of a political rally where Prime Minister Berlusconi had addressed the assembled crowd.

Berlusconi will now stay in hospital until at least Tuesday, and according to a bulletin released to Italian Media, he is able to eat, but only with difficulty.

He was approached and hit in the face by 42-year-old Massimo Tartaglia, who was carrying a replica of Milan's Duomo Cathedral at the time, made out of some form of heavy material according to eyewitnesses. Tartaglia is now in police custody, and has been charged with aggravated assault.

The leader of the Northern League, an Italian Far-Right organisation, Umberto Bossi, said what had happened was an "act of terrorism" and described the attack as a "worrying sign".

In a statement released to the media, Berlusconi's spokesman, Paolo Bonaiuti, said that "we try to keep him at rest. He would like to re-immerse himself into his frantic activity, but doctors say caution is necessary."


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Maori flag to fly along side the New Zealand Flag on Waitangi day

December 15, 2009 New Zealand Prime Minister John Key has announced that Cabinet decided on Monday that the controversial Maori sovereignty flag Tino Rangatiratang from 2010 is to be to be flown on New Zealand’s national day, Waitangi Day on Auckland Harbour Bridge, Premier House, Parliament and other significant sites controlled by the Government.

This follows consultation lead by Maori Affairs Minister Dr Pita Sharples with Maori about what Maori flag should be flown on Waitangi Day. Mr Key says that "More than 1200 submissions were received and 80 per cent favoured the flag commonly referred to as the 'tino rangatiratanga' flag as the preferred Maori flag".

The Prime Minister stressed that "the Maori flag will not replace the New Zealand flag, but fly alongside it, to recognise the partnership the Crown and Maori entered into when signing the Treaty of Waitangi” and that no changes are being made to the status of the New Zealand flag. Furthermore, Dr Sharples added that the New Zealand flag remains the symbol of the nation, and there is no intention to change this.

While the Prime Minister comments that flying the Maori flag is a step towards better race relations, already the choice of flag is proving to be a point of contention. While Dr Sharples has admitted that the choice of flag was not universally supported in Cabinet, with government MPs such as Nationals Tau Henare refusing to comment on whether they personally supported the choice.

Waitangi day is on February 6, each year and celebrates the Waitangi signing of New Zealand's founding document, the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi).


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WHO: Polio reemerging in Africa

December 15, 2009 The World Health Organisation (WHO) said earlier today that polio has reemerged in several countries in Africa. WHO Africa regional director Luis Gomes Sambo made the announcement at the beginning of a Zimbabwe conference regarding child immunisation.

"Several polio-free countries have suffered setback in polio eradication. The number of countries with polio outbreaks following wild poliovirus importations has increased from thirteen to nineteen in 2009," Sambo commented.

He also added that "we need better management of the available resources for immunization, human resources, technologies and we need increased funding to improve the capacity of governments to purchase vaccines and we need also greater mobilization of people. We need to inform people that to bring their people to vaccination campaigns."

The Zimbabwe conference takes place at a time when there has been a considerable decline of under-five mortality in the region. Sambo, however, said that sub-Saharan Africa accounted for 51% of all under-five deaths globally in 2008. At this rate, he noted, Africa cannot achieve the fourth UN Millennium Development Goal to reduce under-five mortality rate by two-thirds between 1990 and 2015.

The countries that have had increases in polio included Angola, Chad, and Democratic Republic of the Congo. The WHO attributed the rise mostly to lack of immunisations. The agency estimates that 75% of children on the continent receive vaccines, and has said it will try to raise the number to 85%.

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Comments:Africa makes first draft version of UNCCC treaty, with harder goals

Fight with climate change, not with terrorism.
In hotter world unrest, terrorism, civil wars will increase.

Money for removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere could be found easily, if spending on army and warfare was annulled. Couldn't it? Wikiwide (02:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Climate change is not new, nor likely to be preventable - help people adjust and survive
Climate change is less likely to lead to a sudden death than terrorists are. Helping people deal with any impacts from Climate Change would be a worthy goal, pretending that chaning human behavior by government mandate will prevent changes in a global system with a history of change much greater than predicted by the models not. 69.57.115.150 (talk) 07:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's simple economics
The reason none of these carbon bans, cap and trade systems, and carbon taxes will work, is simple economics. It has been estimate that climate change will generate 3 billion dolllars in damage per year, while the taxes from the earlier systems will cost upwards of -30- Billion dollars. Investing in renewable energy is the way to go, rather than add 9$ to the price tag of a litre of petrol.164.116.47.179 (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


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At least eight die in Afghan capital suicide bombing

December 15, 2009At least eight people have died in the Afghan capital Kabul after a suicide bombing hit the diplomatic and governmental residential district, according to officials.

The car bomb exploded this morning outside the Heetal Hotel shortly before the start of a three-day conference on corruption in the capital, killing at least eight. President Hamid Karzai said that the dead included two bodyguards of former vice-president. The former vice-president's house was damaged, and police suspect that he may have been the intended target of the attack.

Kabul has suffered many attacks in recent months. Last month, a rocket strike near a hotel in the capital injured four people, and another car bomb attack outside a NATO base injured six.


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At least 22 killed in blast in central Pakistan

December 15, 2009A car bomb has killed at least 22 people and injured 70 injured in Dera Ghazi Khan, Pakistan according to local officials. The bomb exploded in a market in the town in the central Punjab province.

"The whole market has collapsed," said local resident Raza Khan to the Associated Press news agency. "There is smoke and people running here and there."

According to district health officer Dr Pervez Haider Altaf, rescuers were searching for survivors. Officials have declared a state of emergency. "The hospital in the town has been crowded by the people looking for their relatives. Rescue efforts are still going on," he said.

The town commissioner, Hassan Ibqal also spoke of the rescue attempts. "There are many people trapped in the rubble after the powerful blast demolished some 10 shops […] The rescue work is under way and we fear the toll may go up," he said, blaming the attacks on terrorists. "It was a terrorist activity, similar to those being carried out in other parts of the country." he added.

The attack also damaged the house of Zulfiqar Khosa, the Punjabi chief minister's adviser, although he was not hurt. It is unclear whether he was the intended target of the attack. So far no group has claimed responsibility for the bombing.


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Guantanamo inmates to be transferred to Illinois

December 15, 2009

The White House is expected to announce today that some of the inmates from the United States' controversial detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are to be relocated to a prison facility, to be acquired by the Federal Government, on the US mainland.

The Thomson Correctional Center in north-western Illinois is expected to accommodate around 100 prisoners from the Cuba base. The closure of the camp is a key policy for US President Barack Obama and an unnamed White House official is quoted as saying "Closing the detention centre at Guantanamo is essential to protecting our national security and helping our troops by removing a deadly recruiting tool from the hands of al-Qaeda". Thomson prison, in Thomson, Illinois, approximately 150 miles from Chicago, is expected to be sold to the Federal Bureau of Prisons and, in turn, part leased to the Department of Defense will hold both federal prisoners and detainees from Guantanamo in the same facility.

Illinois State Governor Patrick J. Quinn and Richard J. Durbin, the state’s senior senator, are expected to be briefed about the plan at the White House this (Tuesday) afternoon. Both Democrats, the senators have previously campaigned for the prisoners to be located in Thomson in the hope that it would bring jobs to the local economy as well as making use of a near empty prison complex. However, Republican congressmen for Illinois, Representatives Mark Steven Kirk and Donald Manzullo have expressed skepticism, claiming the move could make Illinois a target for terrorism.


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Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" makes maiden flight

December 16, 2009

Boeing's newest commercial aircraft, the 787 "Dreamliner", made its first test flight Tuesday in Everett, Washington at 18:00 UTC. Boeing claims that the new 290+ seat wide-body, twin engine jetliner is more fuel efficient than previous Boeing models.

The release of the "Dreamliner" is almost two and a half years behind schedule. The project has been plagued by various issues, including strike action, parts shortages and design problems. The aircraft is thought to have attracted 840 orders to date, though some have been cancelled due to the delays, making the 787 worth in the region of US$140bn (€96bn, £86bn) for Boeing.

An aerospace analyst, Richard Aboulafia, said that "[The test flight] will provide a badly needed perception that the program is on some kind of schedule again, but it's still a long way from the ultimate result." Boeing's European rival, Airbus, is preparing to release a similar aircraft, the A350, in 2013.


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Italy needs a scapegoat, and it looks like they stuck amanda with it. Ah, such a way to learn the crulety of the world.....


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Yikes!! Polio?!? That's really bad!! There's gotta be a way to stop it! --AquaTeen13 (talk) 17:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


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Cyclone Mick wreaks havoc on Fiji

December 15, 2009

Cyclone Mick, the first storm of the 2009–10 South Pacific cyclone season, has left at least four people dead after battering Fiji on Monday.

The storm inflicted widespread damage throughout the nation, although the island of Viti Levu bore the brunt of the impact. At the height of the storm, wind gusts of 110 km/h (70 mph) blew across the island.

Mick forced thousands into shelters and cut power to a large portion of the country. It triggered severe flooding and uprooted countless trees, and some residents are still without power.

"There's a lot of damage," said Tim Sutton, a spokesman for UNICEF. "Lots of trees down, power lines down everywhere, all the roads around Viti Levu are still closed with flooding and landslides." He described the cyclone as "very vicious".

Although the storm itself has been downgraded and has started to dissipate, officials say that the death toll could increase as contact is established with some of the smaller islands. However, advanced warnings likely reduced the number of fatalities.

On a lighter note, an emergency group of surgeons delivered seven babies during the cyclone's onslaught.

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Frankly, it's about time this happened. The repeated objections about safety are simply irresponsible and cowardly; we house much worse home-grown criminals (Charles Manson, e.g.) in facilities like this already. These prisoners are our fault, our responsibility, and it's our duty to handle them the way our laws dictate. siafu (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


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Only now?
I remember everyone grunting about how the Airbus A380 was sooooo late, and how it was a bad plane, and this and that... Only now, after years, the 787 has a maiden flight?? Airbus isn't really that bad, I guess...


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Yegor Gaidar, Russian economist and politician, dies at 53

December 17, 2009

Russian liberal economist and politician Yegor Gaidar died on Wednesday at the age of 53. He was the son of the famous Russian journalist Timur Gaidar.

Born in Moscow in 1956, he graduated in economics from Moscow State University in 1978. In January 1992 in the position of Russia's first finance minister he dropped state control over prices, making Russia a capitalist country with a market economy. While working as an acting Prime Minister of Russia, Gaidar provided the so-called "shock therapy" treatment of the Russian economy, a set of liberal economic reforms.

His health was declining after he was allegedly poisoned in Ireland in 2006, collapsing soon after eating breakfast. This episode led to comparisons to Alexander Litvenenko, killed with radioactive polonium in November 2006.

Yegor Gaidar died of a blood clot at his home in the Moscow region. He is survived by his wife, three sons and daughter. His funeral is scheduled to take place on Saturday, the burial place is yet to be decided.


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A profoundly interesting article: http://www.poynter.org/uncategorized/69328/the-11-layers-of-citizen-journalism/

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Good bit someone helped me on:The alleged assailant cited dislike and anger with York as motivating the attack. The court appointed two defense attorneys, who requested mental evaluation of the defendant.

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The trust.org URL is broken. This has a lot of single-sentence paragraphs, which is poor writing style. This is very quote-heavy; a lot of it follows the model "According to such-and-such source, so-and-so said, "Something". (BTW, it's usually not called for to specify which source every detail came from, unless there's some reason the source is especially relevant.) Quoting people should not be a substitute for stating facts; in most cases they're best used to augment statements of fact. Don't quote other news sources. Once in several blue moons, when the fact that a news source has said something is itself part of the news event, one might have occasion to quote them

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Just a news clip I found interesting
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/wa-teacher-accused-of-pointing-gun-at/90c9e29404b9473ebc684982660c0fbc

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Something something about synthetic marijuana news

Police south of Dayton,, arrested the owner of a warehouse who was allegedly selling the drug,  yesterday, but he claims that his supply contained none of the ingredients currently banned under Ohio law.

Meanwhile, police in, , closed down four stores yesterday that were selling the drug that is designed to seem like on the basis that businesses were a public nuisance.

Communities in north have been coping with this problem for the past several months and finally cracked down but too late for one teen.

A teenage boy in Georgia was hospitalized Monday as a result of using synthetic marijuana. The incident followed other earlier hospitalizations of teens and a crackdown on designer marijuana in the north Georgia region last week.

The boy was hospitalized for chest pains and admitted to having smoked a brand of synthetic marijuana called "Spice," according to Lt. Wesley Burnett from the Sheriff's Dept.

Sheriff Stacy Jarrad said smoking the substance is legal for anyone 18 and older but he strongly discourages its use. He said it is his understanding that all stores in that county have ceased selling the product.

Three other teens were hospitalized in the area in December after using the "legal marijuana."

In late January, the North Georgia drug task force raided stores that sold a variety known as "Good Times" and took anywhere from 40 to around 100 packets off the shelves and then later focused the operation on warehouses where 18,900 packets were confiscated. The raid occurred because the products, which can be legal, had been sprayed with and  illegal chemicals and shipped into the state. Other brands confiscated included "Pow" and "Serenity Forever."

Larry Black, who commands the drug task force, said, "It was causing overdoses, hallucinations, heart palpitations and lot of problems where they were ending up in the emergency room."

Last summer, authorities in the northern Georgia counties of, and  raided various businesses that were engaged in selling the product, along with synthetic cocaine and methamphetamines.

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Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as “one-party consent” statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. (Nevada also has a one-party consent statute, but the state Supreme Court has interpreted it as an all-party rule.) Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as “two-party consent” laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping. - See more at: http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-recording-guide/introduction#sthash.WRXSdYvh.dpuf --Bddpaux (talk) 16:59, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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EU, Microsoft agree on browser ballot

December 17, 2009

The and Microsoft have finalised the proposal for a 'browser ballot' in  Windows, following the Commission's concern that Microsoft was unfairly using its operating system monopoly to gain control of the browser market.

The browser ballot will give Windows users an option of switching to one of twelve competing browsers when it is made available in an update to the new, as well as  and.

Microsoft said in a statement that "today's resolution follows years of intensive examination by the European Commission of competition in computer software. The measures approved today reflect multiple rounds of input from industry participants relating to competition in Web browser software and interoperability between various Microsoft products and competing products."

The agreement on browser ballot, named the 'choice screen,' is to last five years, and its effectiveness is to be regularly monitored during this time. If successful, it could reduce Internet Explorer's market share.

The complaint regarding the alleged browser monopoly was first brought by in January 2009, and the idea of a browser ballot, and Microsoft first agreed to the idea back in July. Since then, the nature of the ballot has been discussed in detail, and now, finally, a conclusion has been reached.

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The article you tried to post has been flagged as a copyright violation. Most websites, even if you don't realise it, don't have a copyright license that allows you to copy them. There are other restrictions for Wikinews, but it is best to read the above and try writing things in your own words. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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You have been blocked as a single-purpose account. Wikinews is not for promoting your agency, and new hires are certainly not newsworthy.

Try your Search Engine Optimisation foo elsewhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 02:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:EU, Microsoft agree on browser ballot

Immediate reaction upon reading this: Cheers. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The title is confusing if you don't know the context.
 * "The browser ballot will give Windows users an option of switching to one of twelve competing browsers" - the article should perhaps give a list of browsers. I'm familiar with some pretty obscure browsers, but i certainly cannot think of 12 of them (even if you include the non-windows browsers).
 * I agree:
 * Internet Explorer
 * Firefox
 * Safari
 * Opera
 * Chrome
 * Flock
 * are the ones I think of right off the top of my head...but looking at List_of_web_browsers, it's way more than I ever would have wanted to know about. Who's to say, MS should include Flock over OmniWeb (for example). Calebrw (talk) 20:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

According to http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142416/FAQ_How_the_IE_ballot_screen_works?taxonomyId=16, the following browsers were included:
 * Safari, Chrome, IE, Firefox, Opera, AOL, Maxthon, K-Meleon, Flock, Avant Browser, Sleipnir and SlimBrowser.--82.46.12.137 (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


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Volcano eruption in Philippines prompts evacuations

December 16, 2009 Tens of thousands of people were evacuated from areas near Mount Mayon in the Philippines on Tuesday, after the lava started flowing out of the volcano. Local scientists caution that Mayon might be on the verge of a powerful eruption.

"After the series of ash puffs and ash explosions of 1,000 metres, we cannot rule out a major explosion," said Cedric Daep, the head of local disaster relief operations, commenting that officials are intending to eventually evacuate up to 50,000 people.

"We are in the process of evacuating nearly 10,000 families around the 6-8 kilometre danger zone around the volcano. We have enough food for all these people for only a month," Daep added.

An alert for the area surrounding Mayon has been raised, and about 20,000 people were evacuated from the foothills of the volcano. Thousands more people are expected to be moved out of the area later. They are currently living in evacuation centres set up by the Philippine government. Authorities noted that it might be until Christmas before most will be able to return to their homes.

"It's 10 days before Christmas. Most likely people will be in evacuation centres, and if Mayon's activity won't ease down we will not allow them to return to their homes. It's difficult and sad, especially for children." said an emergency management official, Jukes Nunez.

The governor of the province where the Mayon volcano is located, Joey Salceda, commented that, in case of an eruption, the government was trying to have "zero casualties".

Mayon erupted last in 2006; its most deadly eruption was in 1841, when 1,200 people were killed after the village of Cagsawa was buried. The volcano stands over 8,000 feet above sea level and has erupted 49 times since records were started, in 1616. The Philippines are also located along the "Ring of Fire", an area in southeast Asia prone to earthquakes, volcanos, and other seismic activity.


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Comments:Payment pending; Canadian recording industry set for six billion penalties

Should the court use admitted unpaid amounts, or maximum statutory damages – as the record industry normally seeks against filesharers?
So the basic claim of this article is that the recording industry are actually the ones stealing money? Oh my god who would have suspected such a thing? *pinky to corner of mouth*

- It's not stealing if the victim allows it, why do you think it takes a family and estate of a late musician to speak up? Because they no longer need the approval of the music labels for pushing new music to the mass market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.28.24 (talk) 00:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is, the Baker estate suit has drawn others and exposed this. The CRIA (the lobbyist) want to shove it back under the carpet. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


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Suicide bomber kills at least twenty in Pakistan town

December 16, 2009 Local officials in the town of Dera Ghazi Khan in Pakistan said on Tuesday that at least twenty people were killed after a suicide car bomber attacked the house of a provincial governor. The Al Jazeera news agency reports that seventy people were injured from the blast.

According to Siddiq-ul-Farooq, a spokesman for the Pakistan Muslim League, the bomber drove his car into the wall of Dost Muhammad Khosa's home, damaging it. Khosa and his relatives, however, were not at home, Farooq added. The house was reportedly close to a market, which also suffered from the explosion.

A reporter for Al Jazeera, however, noted that it wasn't immediately clear if Khosa was intended as a target in Tuesday's attack.

"There are many people trapped in the rubble after the powerful blast demolished some 10 shops [...] The rescue work is under way and we fear the toll may go up. It was a terrorist activity, similar to those being carried out in other parts of the country," said town commisioner Hasan Iqbal.

A local resident, Raza Khan, was witness to the chaos that resulted after the detonation. "The whole market has collapsed. There is smoke and people running here and there," he said to the Associated Press. A local health official told Agence France-Presse news agency that "the hospital in the town has been crowded by people looking for their relatives. Rescue efforts are still going on."


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Just an interesting tidbit, this was our 16,000th published article according to the {NUMBEROFARTICLES} template. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


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Your recent contributions are considered to be spam and have been reverted or deleted. Should you believe that your contributions are not spam, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further spamming may result in your editing privileges being removed. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Tempodivalse [talk]  00:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

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Comments:EU, Microsoft agree on browser ballot

If only there was an Operating System ballot as well... --76.179.102.203 (talk) 02:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There is. It's called "You want Linux, get Linux". Works well for other OSes, too. The only problem is, the ballot doesn't work if you can't be bothered to cast it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.63.153 (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that if you buy a PC off-the-shelf then you're paying for the Windows license on that machine, whether you wanted it or not. If you want Firefox/Chrome/Opera/other then you can get those, yourself, too; but the average person is unaware of the choices available to them, or that there's even a choice at all (especially regarding operating systems). --67.174.131.145 (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Dur, dont want Windows, dont use it. People complain so much about Windows but I dont see anyone inventing anything better. Linux is just plain user unfriendly and terrible to game on, not to mention coming in more flavors than the average consumer can handle, plus is feature lacking. OS X is cheap, but is a joke and wont run on anything but a Mac, which are the height of proprietary and are very overpriced. Windows is easy to use and just plain works.--68.10.228.187 (talk) 03:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't address that I'm paying for Windows or Mac, regardless of whether or not I wanted it in the first place. And when dealing with low-end machines, there's no cost benefit (but many more risks) involved in assembling it myself. When building a high-end computer, yes, the $500 to $600 I save on parts offsets the $200 cost of the operating system. But a budget system that's just going to be used for office productivity and web-browsing (things that a majority of Linux distros can do well out-of-the-box) is, by definition, chosen because it's cheap. Dell and HP include plenty of junk that can be removed during customization, allowing the customer to lower the cost, and there's no reason Windows can't be one of those options. Sure, leave Windows as the default, but show that you can go with a different (or no) OS for less. Most people would choose Windows; many people will still choose IE for their browser. Many people would still choose IE6, if they could, because that's what they know. But the important thing is to stop making a secret of the fact that consumers have choices, and that these choices aren't as limited as IE v. Netscape or Windows v. Mac. An informed consumer might find something better than your product, but if your product is good and people with the experience and knowledge to make an informed decision choose it then they can defend it with more than fanboyism or the tired familiarity argument. For what it's worth, I use Windows in my daily life. I used to use Macs on a regular basis, and I used various Linux distributions for special projects. I know the pros and cons of each OS. Every time I install Windows I know why I chose it; the same goes for those odd occasions when I install Ubuntu. --67.174.131.145 (talk) 05:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I think this may the right oppurtunity for the people working on the net to know at least the merits of other effective browsers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.61.251 (talk) 08:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Broswer Ballot
When and how will this ballot take place?

Also, has there been any progress made on the issue of net neutrality?

-PiousBias (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Figures.
Figures... That Opera Software would be complaining.


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Bombings in Iraq kill eight; many wounded

December 17, 2009 Iraqi police say three blasts in Baghdad killed four people and wounded fourteen others on Tuesday. Three other blasts also rocked the northern city of Mosul on the same day, killing and wounding several dozen people. The explosions came as politicians continue to debate over who was responsible for the last wave of bombings, which happened exactly one week ago.

The Baghdad explosions struck at the Iraqi government's nerve center, near the heavily fortified Green Zone. Baghdad's security chief, General Qassem Mohammed Atta, reported that three explosive devices hidden in civilian vehicles blew up in parking lots in the Karrada District, close to the Green Zone. He noted that a fourth explosive device, hidden in a parked vehicle near the Iranian Embassy, was found and disabled.

The explosions were in the immediate vicinity of Iraq's Foreign Ministry building, which is covered by a gigantic Iraqi flag on one side, as repairs continue on the structure that was gutted by a massive car-bomb explosion on August 16.

Mortar attacks and assassination attempts against several Iraqi politicians were also reported elsewhere in Baghdad.

Meanwhile, the attacks in Mosul killed four people and wounded a further forty. They seemed to target a mosque and a neighbourhood, according to the Kurdish Globe, according to an unnamed doctor at a Mosul hospital.

No group has yet claimed responsibility for the bombings.


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Irish bishop resigns over child abuse scandal

December 17, 2009

The Irish Roman Catholic bishop Donal Murray has resigned, following a strongly critical report on his handling of child sex abuse cases. It was announced today he would be leaving the position of Bishop of Limerick, and that the Pope had accepted his resignation.

The report into allegations against priests in the Dublin Archdiocese decribed Murray's conduct in one case as "inexcusable". Father Thomas Naughton was sentenced to three years jail in 1998 for abuse, and yesterday was jailed once again for further abuse between 1982 and 1984. Judge Michael O'Shea described the abuse as "appalling, shocking and horrifying", and said it had an "absolutely catastrophic" impact on the victim, a six year old altar boy.

Murray had failed to investigate allegations about Naughton, when he was Auxiliary Bishop in Dublin. Eight other priests from the Dublin Archdiocese have also been convicted of child sex abuse, and four more face charges.

Speaking at St John's Cathedral, Limerick, the bishop confirmed his resignation and apologised to the priests' victims.

"I know full well, that my resignation cannot undo the pain that survivors of abuse have suffered in the past and continue to suffer each day. I humbly apologise once again to all who were abused as little children. To all survivors of abuse I repeat, that my primary concern is to assist in every way that I can, on their journey towards finding closure and serenity."


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Suspected US drone strikes kill twelve in western Pakistan

December 17, 2009 Pakistani intelligence officials said earlier today that two suspected US drone attacks in -dominated tribal areas of the country have killed at least a dozen people, although some reports put the number as high as seventeen.

The first attack targeted a vehicle carrying two suspected militants in the town of Dosali, in the North Waziristan tribal area near the Afghan border.

Hours later elsewhere in North Waziristan, officials reported that several drones fired seven missiles into suspected militant compounds. They added that the death toll could rise. However, it was not immediately clear how many Taliban members were killed in the strikes.

"Seven missiles were fired. They hit a cave complex, a compound and a vehicle," said a Pakistani official, as quoted by the news agency.


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Wikipedia template: Wikinews
Please see my question, here. Cirt (talk) 16:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like Bawolff answered your query. Tempodivalse [talk]  20:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cirt (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Wallmart greeter gadget
Want to greet newbies (if your an editor), go to special:contributions/newbies, look for the dropdown by the search box on vector, click greet newbies, will automatically add howdy to any new user who does not have a talk page, and has edited somewhat recently. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This includes *everyone* with a redlinked talk page, like, I dread to think what repercussions I face for testing another of Bawolff's diabolical creations! :P --Brian McNeil / talk 22:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You needn't worry about that one Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of Wikipedia BUT
Wikipedia is now run by all these moderators who in my own experience and in the experiences of many others, come across as being a pack of cunts running their own pedantic shit head fiefdoms - while we the peasants get our input, corrections and submissions trashed add-nauseum.

So I now tend to regard Wikipedia, as useful - but not the kind of a place or event I want to associate with nor support.

These scribbling pharisees and and their ganging up on people with their rules and banning them and getting their jollies out of fucking with everyone else and their contributions - if you arseholes want Wikipedia all to your very own selves - you can also pay for it.

I like many, many, many other contributors who have left am saying - "You can all go drown, all by yourselves in your own shit - we have better things to do".

 * You're aware that this is Wikinews, not Wikipedia, right? :-P Tempodivalse [talk]  14:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

 * And, because you randomly spam this boilerplate everywhere, you'll end up blocked. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; nor is Wikinews. There is a need for rules to try and make the project content credible by process. You will find more hurdles to that here because we've worked to get the project listed in Google News (alas, somewhat unreliably). There are usually rules for a reason, not all as stupid as my Member of Parliament telling me I could face prosecution for using the word clusterfuck in an email. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Fundraising notice
Whoever wrote the fundraising notice can't seem to realize that this is Wikinews, not Wikipedia. Can we remove or at least change it? Benny the mascot (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a gadget in preferences. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * But readers will still see the error in the message. Benny the mascot (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, I shall whinge appropriately. --Brian McNeil / talk 02:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's correct; Jimmy did found Wikipedia, he did not found Wikinews. The technically correct version would be "Wikimedia Foundation". --Brian McNeil / talk 02:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you "hide" the message, then you see "Wikinews Forever" with the Wikipedia logo in the middle of it. Benny the mascot (talk) 02:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * *sigh * The devs still couldn't fix the logo issue, after all these weeks? Oh well, it least the WP logo isn't too conspicuous now. I'm tempted to make it a bit smaller with .css, but the devs would probably complain ... Tempodivalse [talk]  02:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If you wish to replace with our logo via CSS I'll beat devs with a stick if they hassle you ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 02:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think there is enough consensus to change the logo, so I don't see a problem at all. Benny the mascot (talk) 02:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(Unindent) Fuck, I'll do it if someone shows me what to paste where. Let's kill the thing entirely. There need be no consensus; it's the same as our blocking policy - if it's clearly damaging the project, nuke it. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, to remove the notice entirely you should add

 * 1) centralNotice {display:none !important;}

 * to Mediawiki:Common.css. Expect to be hassled by the devs though. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Maybe if we keep quiet about this, the devs won't notice. Or we could add some wikicode to their personal .css files to make them think the banner is still up even though it'll only be showing for them :-P Tempodivalse [talk]  17:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny, but no. Undone by Bawolff.  Cbrown1023  talk  23:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, that is a good idea. ;) On a serious note, its not a good idea to remove the banner completely. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when did you have the authority to overturn consensus? Benny the mascot (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't particularly have authority to do so. Do you mind if we have this conversation on irc? Bawolff ☺☻ 23:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (e/c) I remember the devs said somewhere that fundraising banners aren't subject to community consensus, and shouldn't to be removed locally. I'm kinda tempted to hide the banner again (it's too Wikipedia-centric), but the folks at the foundation would probably give us a hard time. Open to thoughts as to what we should do. Tempodivalse [talk]  23:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out how to access irc through a smartphone, so no, sorry. Now when exactly did the developers get the authority to override consensus as well? This whole thing just seems totalitarian to me. Benny the mascot (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm on IRC right now, and Brianmc tells me it was a board resolution, not just a decision by the developers. But I don't agree with it either ... Tempodivalse  [talk]  00:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * [edit conflict]Devs don't have authority to override concencuss (Well except in technical situations). does generally. (It should be noted that neither devs, nor wikimedia officials were involved at this time. However at the beginning of the fundraiser we were instructed not to block the banner). In paticular, we are funded by the wmf. without the wmf there would be no computers to run wikinews. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:12, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but whoever makes these fundraising banners should at least get them right. Benny the mascot (talk) 03:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

[unindent]. I agree, this fundraiser had been horrid imo. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Restart - Constructive solutions

 * Okay... I'll try and work up one tomorrow when I get back from my interview. Someone note the code to substitute in our own Wikicode. I will do some graphics to go in it too. Then I can test on main page talk and we okay our own override that favours Wikinews and raises cash. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There are two things to sort. First, the large banner. Then the small one. Now, for the large one I suggest we say damn the professionals and others. So:
 * [Smallish] Wikinews needs your help!
 * [Jimboimg] Read Jimmy Wales' appeal
 * I'm thinking about doing a customised version of one of the Jimbo headshots (no mad eyes, poss B&W) with some sort of Wikinews logo emboss on it. GiMP experiments required.
 * For the small appeal:
 * Wikinews [small WN logo] Forever  Currently needing donations to keep the lights on.
 * Since I'm off to bed shortly, please comment, suggest. --Brian McNeil / talk 04:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good layout. Could we drop the "Wikinews Forever" thing though? IMO it sounds kinda unprofessional. "Wikinews needs your help!" or something along those lines is more suitable. The Jimbo appeal I have no objections to. But, a bigger issue is: would the devs/wmf approve of us using our own banners? They did tell us not to tamper with them. Tempodivalse [talk]  04:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll link to the discussion here. I imagine doing what I want will take a few hours and I need to get some sleep. If I sleep now I'll not get up for my morning appointment. So, sleep for me will be 10am to around 3pm. --Brian McNeil / talk 05:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I recall Bawolff saying some of this might not be substitutable via CSS for Internet Explorer. Well, tough noogies on that; people can easily turn of JavaScript too and I dislike that being relied on to feed to bots. --Brian McNeil / talk 05:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "people can easily turn of JavaScript too" - actually, it's a miracle that some Internet users managed to install it in the first place, and the rest of us consider it more convinient to just leave it be. If it messes with my browser I'll consider it much easier to find a way to suppress the banner on my account than to try and convince my computer to have JavaScript on in one tab and off in another. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note, i was referring to adding text to something in css is very hard (And only works in moz). We can change the images using css (on second thought not easily). We can substitute the banner using js (and the banner requires js in the first place since somehow it puts less stress on the servers to have it loaded from js) However, its still slightly messy. if we wanted to go that route, it'd probably be better just to hide the banner with css, and put the new banner in the sitenotice. The ideal solution would be to convince the people in charge to change the banner to something more appropriate. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:11, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also following js will replace wikipedia img in notice with wikinews logo in the collapsed notice:

addOnloadHook(function { try { // in case no central notice var img = document.getElementById('centralNotice').getElementsByTagName('img') for (var i = 0; i < img.length; i++) { if (img[i].src === 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Wikipedia-logo-small_%28Fundraising_2009%29.png') { img[i].src = 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Wikinews-logo.png/25px-Wikinews-logo.png'; } } }catch (e) {} }); Bawolff ☺☻ 04:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Disabling rollback
Is there a way for me to disable rollback? I don't use it anyway, and I have a tendency to accidentally click the button. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really; but don't worry, most people still manage to accidentally hit it at some point. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rollback is packaged with Editor status. unfortunately, you can't get rid of one without removing the other as well. Maybe you could use .css to hide the rollback button somehow? i dunno. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk]  02:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably yes on the css. I'll look up the class in the moment. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:12, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Add the following to special:mypage/vector.css (if you don't use vector, change to appropriate skin name):

.mw-rollback-link {display:none} Bawolff ☺☻ 00:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Benny the mascot (talk) 02:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

LQT for Comments: Namespace
For anyone living in a deep, dark cave, there is this cool new extension called LiquidThreads (or LQT for short) that gives MediaWiki threaded comments. We all know that our Comments: Namespace for articles could use some help. Most readers (Anonymous, non-Wiki people) either can't figure out how to post comments, or maim the shit out of our pages every time they do. The answer, for lack of a better one, is LQT. I know not everyone is happy with how LQT does things, but it is the best option we have. The reason we've not pushed for it previously, is that it was too buggy. Well now that has changed. Werdna recently posted that LQT was 'almost ready' to go main stream. I also talked to him briefly and he said we could do this as a pilot 'pretty soon'. If we get it on and it doesn't work out, we can always ask them to turn it off again.

The Proposal In Short: LQT, once 'ready', should be turned on for the Comments: namespace (Only).

Comments

 * - Could you please provide an example of what the changes would look like? Benny the mascot (talk) 23:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Village pump for an idea of how LQT looks like. Tempodivalse [talk]  23:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Bug 21956 filled. Vote was 11 support/1 neutral/1 oppose -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 00:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Votes

 * -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 23:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Bawolff ☺☻ 23:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * but only for Comments: namespace, however, for talk and user talk pages. While I personally don't like LiquidThreads very much, I can see how it's more useful/easier to manage for people who aren't familiar with the wiki editing interface - plus we get to look cooler and more like professional news sites. :-) On regular talk pages, however, I feel that our current indenting system is better. Tempodivalse  [talk]  23:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I was fairly clear when I wrote "for the Comments: namespace (Only).", but alas. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 00:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I noticed that comment (and understood it), but thought I'd be completely clear just to be on the safe side. Tempodivalse [talk]  00:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * --I like them a lot. Definitely.     Tris   23:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * on all discussion pages. Our indenting system gets messy sometimes, especially when some use colons while others use bullets. Benny the mascot (talk) 23:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * heh...I didn't see the "comments namespace" part and thought this was a vote on all talk namespaces. Sorry! Benny the mascot (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * - Had a look at the sample on the strategy wiki, which got posted a bit above here, and I have to say it makes the comments look like a flaming vBoard or something like that. Ugly and not particularly great.  Sorry - Iceflow (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I hate trying to manipulate layout/comment nesting with it, but it's easy to use for non-wiki editors. Ideal for Comments: --Brian McNeil / talk 05:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * - I've never been that sure about LiquidThreads, but I guess a trial in the comments namespace couldn't hurt. the wub "?!"  11:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm too used to the tired old system to like it (I could probably adjust) but newcomers should love this. It gives a degree of clarity. Iceflow, however, is right in that it could be improved yet. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I ahve been hoping/pushing for this, since we got Comments NS. I am glad it is getting over its buggs problems Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * a trial on the Comments namespace. The current indenting system with colons and asterisks is far from user friendly; even as a relatively experienced user on Wikimedia projects I manage to mess up frequently. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Computerjoe 's talk 22:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * , especially since it looks good with Vector. (I love this new skin, btw) --Thunderhead 20:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Google news update
[posting this here in case people are curious. those on irc probably know this already]

We discovered today that some of our stories are not getting into google news (originally we thought they stopped indexing us, and panic ensured on irc, but we figured out it was only some articles). This appears to happen when the title (not neccesarily the url) has certain characters in it (double quotes mostly). For example, the following stories were not indexed: We currently don't have a solution to this (And to be honest, don't really understand the problem). Perhaps Amgine's proposed extension will fix it. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Payment pending; Canadian recording industry set for six billion penalties? (this one did not get indexed even when url had no special chars in it)
 * Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" makes maiden flight (this one did not get indexed via its redirect, but instead directly from the DPL (as it had number 787 in it. perhaps google just detected that it was a duplicate or something)
 * Israel "illegally annexing" east Jerusalem, EU reports (this one is not in google news)
 * Hm. This happened at a very inopportune moment, considering that the writing contest is coming up and everything. Has anyone tried contacting Google about this? From what i understand from IRC discussions, the problem is probably on their end and not ours. Hope we can fix this soon, in any case. Tempodivalse [talk]  03:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I expect to be told Google is deprecating page scraping for news. Most sites at least feed out decent RSS or Atom. XML is better yet because you can have GNews categorise articles in lots of interesting ways. Also, user custom feeds. It's time to get this done right, refresh the rotating sitenotice until the one for an entry on Bugzilla comes up and *everyone* register an account and vote for the bug. I intend to blackmail the devs into having a comittment to getting us it at least a week before the competition. Ideally, (this might be where you stick in the or else) WikiVoices can tell the good news about us getting software developed and vetted for our use. --Brian McNeil / talk 05:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just got an email (CC for bug) that Erik has put a new WMF dev on our needed bug. WikiBlackmail at work™ --Brian McNeil / talk 06:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note on the most sites have a decent RSS or ATOM feed - Google news does not accept RSS or ATOM feeds for syndicating, so that wouldn't exactly help the situation [although it'd be cool for other reasons]. (and our feed setup isn't that horrible, could be better, but its not horrid). Bawolff ☺☻ 11:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Further updates: We switched from using ugly hack #1 (JS auto-created redirects in hidden div on main page) to hack#2 (appending ?dpl_id= on to the end of urls) after tim's changes to DPL. Well this is less ugly then the previous hack, it would still be much better if google was fed by a site map, as then we can see why any article might fail to be indexed, as well as just generally seeming more reliable. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've said my piece on the bug. Hacks should be avoided. Google could turn round tomorrow and say "no more scraping, sitemaps mandatory". Then we're screwed again. We, also, still can't have a section for developing stories on the main page. That really hides away the fact that readers can become contributors. I believe the GNSM solution would also allow a plethora of RSS and Atom feeds (per category, per category intersection) that are normal for a news site. With GNSM our resident Javascript hacker, Bawolff, would be able to write a small gadget allowing contributors to custom-build any feed they wanted and there is no reliance on the not-so-reliable Toolserver. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For those interested, 21919. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Google redirects
The peer review gadget isn't creating google redirects. Is there anything wrong with it??? Benny the mascot (talk) 18:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, could use some help please for example at Elvish, Klingon and Na'vi: Constructed languages gain foothold in film. Qapla! Cirt (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll just create it myself with a random number attached: Article/837041/Elvish, Klingon and Na'vi: Constructed languages gain foothold in film. Benny the mascot (talk) 18:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. tlhIngan Hol yIghoj DabommeH!, Cirt (talk) 19:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the google redirects, they are no longer needed. (we switched from ugly hack #2 [google redirects], back to original ugly hack) Bawolff ☺☻ 22:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Next time, let us know whenever you change something so that we don't have to take drastic measures that are completely unnecessary. Please do not keep us uninformed. The following articles should now be deleted by an available admin:
 * Article/837041/Elvish, Klingon and Na'vi: Constructed languages gain foothold in film
 * Article/357985/Thailand begins repatriation of Hmong migrants to Laos
 * Article/062584/Briton faces execution in China
 * Article/346774/Finnish Olympic champion ski jumper arrested for attempted murder
 * Article/646895/Run-off likely in Croatian presidential elections -- Benny the mascot (talk) 23:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I should have publicized that somewhere (where is a good question, maybe wn news ). I vaugely mentioned it in the thread above this one, but it was perhaps not very clear. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


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UK experiences first widespread snow of 2009

December 17, 2009

As of 23:56 GMT, many parts of the United Kingdom are experiencing heavy snowfall, with many other parts bracing themselves for the first widespread cold snap and heavy snow falls of the winter. During the afternoon of the 17th snow had already started to fall across parts of Northern and Eastern England. In London the Met Office issued the warnings, for the following areas. Gale force winds are also predicted areas of heavy snow fall could lead to drifting.

 * North East England 	     Heavy Snow  	1600 Thu 17  	0800 Fri 18
 * Yorkshire & Humber 	    Heavy Snow 	1600 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18 Heavy Snow 	1930 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18
 * East Midlands 	            Heavy Snow 	1930 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18
 * East of England 	    Heavy Snow 	1800 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18 Heavy Snow 	1930 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18
 * London & South East England Heavy Snow 	1800 Thu 17 	0800 Fri 18

Other areas where expect to experience over night lows down as far as -4 c in rural areas. On the coast Liverpool was expecting temperatures of -2, whilst further in land -3 was expected, by Midnight on the 17th Liverpool was experiencing light snow showers.

The weather for Friday is predicted to remain cold possibly allowing any snow that remains at dawn to last throughout the day.

According to National Rail Enquires, some rail services in East Anglia were suspended, noting there was the possibility of disruption to other services.

The proximity of Christmas has caused bookmakers to reassess the odds of a White Christmas. Ladbrokes is giving odds on London at 2/1. While Glasgow is at 2/1, Aberdeen 11/8 and Birmingham, Cardiff, Dublin and Manchester are quoted at 11/4.


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http://www.flickr.com/photos/southpaw2305/4193888076/ Possible image - maybe a bit jokey though ? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Noting that it's quite obviosuly falling outside my window currently (Location: Chilterns, UK) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gresley_Way_looking_north_in_snow.jpg - Another image. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Some stuff from twitter? - http://www.benmarsh.co.uk/snow/ ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

OK Found a relevant Twitter feed - http://twitter.com/search?q=%23uksnow ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Headline misleading/incorrect
It's currently -1C at Edinburgh Airport. Cloud cover makes it unlikely to go below that. We've had -4C some mornings already. So, title is wrong. I also think breaking should be taken off this as it is shamefully short. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

 * The headline's a bit weird as it stands - there was fairly widespread snow in February 2009 as well. Perhaps "...of winter 2009"? Shimgray (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Measurement
I measured about 2 inches of snowfall where I am in the Chilterns ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

review

 * Please not changes made post-publish per WN:SG. Not new additions, hopefully just a rusty reviewer. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


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Cricket: 'Politicians and Pals' defeat Buderim XI in Australia Day Twenty20 match

A Buderim Cricket Club XI played a team of local "Politicians and Pals XII" at the Buderim Mountain State School as part of wider Australia Day celebrations. The Politicians won the match after they won the toss and batted.

The "Politicians and Pals" team had twelve players, rather than the usual eleven, with Buderim's agreement. The club provided two-thirds of the players in the Politicians' team – Queensland State Parliament Member for Buderim Steve Dickson and Sunshine Coast Councillors Ted Hangerford and Chris Thompson were the only politicians in the team.

A four over 'retirement' rule was implemented in this match. This meant that the opening batsman, who had scored 38 to that point, had to allow other team members to bat. This seemingly caused a middle order collapse with five wickets being taken in as many overs. 53 runs were scored in this time. The team managed to stabilise the innings compiling a further 130 to finish with 10 out (of 12 available batsmen) for 220 runs.

Requiring just over eleven runs an over to win, the Cricket Club XI scored 26 off the first over. After ten overs however they were five out for 107, still needing 114 to win - a run rate of 11.4 and over. The Cricket Club XI did not make the required score of 221. After 20 overs, the were nine out for 211.


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Canadian woman gives birth while sitting on toilet

December 18, 2009 International media attention has been a harsh mistress for 32-year-old Heather Richard of Winnipeg, Manitoba, who gave birth on Sunday while sitting on the toilet. Richard, who believed she was barren and thus assumed she could not be pregnant, thought she was suffering from cramps and a bad bowel movement.

"I kept getting the urge to push and just thought it was a real bad bowel movement," Richard told the Winnipeg Sun, whose interview was picked up by the Canadian wire service. "It just fell out. I thought it was my intestines, so I'm freaking out...but then it's a little boy." Richard realized that the product was a baby and not her insides when its leg twitched.

Relatives of Richard's found her hysterically crying and pointing at the toilet. "She was crying and saying, 'Help me, get my baby out of the toilet, he's drowning," Keith Richard, her cousin, told the Sun. While the rest of the family was immobile by the revelation, police officers knocked on her front door; she was to be arrested due to outstanding warrants that Richard says have since been cleared.

One officer performed CPR on the baby and it was rushed to the hospital. The baby, since named Isaiah, weighed five pounds, nine ounces, and suffered a skull fracture, presumably as a result of his head hitting the toilet bowl. The baby is in stable condition and Richard is recovering from her birth at home.

The incident spread like wildfire in the Canadian and international press on Tuesday and Wednesday. When asked about the coverage, Richard told the website canoe.ca that she was embarrassed at all the fuss the story generated.


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Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
impossible !!

Almost to good to be true, otherwise a christmas miracle
Tbh it sounds abit too good to be true. "It just fell out". And police officers just happened to show up to arrest her just as she gave birth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.25.84 (talk) 12:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
If shes fat enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.109.14.129 (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Not the first time it's happened; friend of mine carried a baby to term not knowing she was pregnant and (insert circumstantial evidence about her behaviour that supports that she really didn't know she was pregnant but that I'm not including in this post for privacy's sake but taking my word for it anyway considering that any post on the internet is anecdotal and really you have no less reason to trust my word having been self-censored than you would if I hadn't self-censored it) as well. She's not particularly big, either. Not to mention that TLC actually has a series called "I didn't know I was Pregnant". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.4.166 (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah...
Shit happens... Literally, that is.

Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
It's definately bizaar, but yes, it's possible! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.221.49.15 (talk) 22:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
No. That's ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.101.161 (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.185.28.207 (talk) 11:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you believe it's possible for a woman to not know she is pregnant until her baby's birth?
No. But i know someone who havent realized she's pregnant until 6 months. Fortunately she has given birth to a healthy boy. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.79.210 (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank goodness!
OMG, it's like, so awesome that people like her get to reproduce! 206.74.5.136 (talk) 19:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

"Barren"
What's with the use of the word "Barren" to refer to the woman's self-assumed infertility? I must say, I've been around along time (since 1948) and I've never heard this word used in this way. Was the person who wrote this article born in the 19th century?


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User talk:117.241.212.37

Hello, !

This is Wikinews, a free news source. Wikinews is an experiment in citizen journalism, not an encyclopedia. You may be confusing us with our sister project Wikipedia. Your encyclopedic addition to Wikinews was deleted. Please add it to Wikipedia if it is relevant there. We would be happy to welcome you as a contributor to Wikinews! Bawolff ☺☻ 14:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

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User talk:Chaitanya Bag

Welcome
Tempodivalse [talk]  14:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Jonathan Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov (Wikinewsie)

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User talk:Byrdman777

Welcome
Brian McNeil / talk 16:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

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