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No survivors in Cambodian air crash

June 27, 2007

No survivors were found today when searchers reached the crash site of PMTair Flight U4 241 in Cambodia, a government minister said.

"All have died. It is confirmed," Information Minister Khieu Kanharith told reporters.

The wreckage of the PMTair Antonov An-24 was spotted by a helicopter crew early this morning, two days after the plane went missing from radar screens while on a flight from Angkor International Airport in Siem Reap to the beach-resort town of Sihanoukville.

The crash site is located in the Dâmrei Mountains, or Elephant Mountains, northeast of Bokor Hill Station in Kampot Province, about 150 kilometers south of Phnom Penh, the capital.

Rescue helicopter pilot Tep Sitha, speaking to Reuters by mobile telephone, described the crash site as "high on the mountain."

A search operation involving around 1,000 people had scoured the mountainous jungle territory since the plane crashed on Monday. Monsoon rains, thick jungle and rugged terrain had hampered the search.

The 44-seat plane had 22 people aboard – 16 passengers, plus a flight crew of six – a Russian pilot, two Cambodian co-pilots, a Cambodian flight engineer and two Cambodian flight attendants. Among the passengers, 13 were from South Korea and three were from the Czech Republic.

Around a dozen Korean family members arrived in Phnom Penh yesterday from Seoul, and the Cambodian government said it would pay for their accommodations.

The cause of the crash is yet to be determined by an examination of the flight data recorder, but officials had earlier speculated that weather may have played a part.

The airline, PMTair, is a small Cambodian carrier that listed its fleet at five planes, including two Antonov An-24s, which it used for domestic flights. The type of Soviet-built plane, introduced in 1963, is common in Cambodia's civil and military aviation fleet.

Sar Sareth, director of PMTair, told the Associated Press yesterday that he did not know what year the crashed plane was built. He said it was in "good condition" before taking off, and "was always in compliance with flight technical and safety procedures."

The airline had begun regularly scheduled Siem Reap-Sihanoukville flights in January, providing a direct link between the two popular tourist towns.

In addition to domestic service, PMTair has international routes, including direct flights from Seoul to Siem Reap, feeding a large influx of tourists from South Korea in the past few years. Last year, around 250,000 South Koreans visited the country.

Yesterday, a South Korean government agency said it was putting PMTair on a list of carriers it was checking for safety. "As PMT also does business at Incheon International Airport, a special safety inspection for the airline will be carried out until July 6," Chung Sang-ho, head of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, was quoted as saying by Yonhap News Agency.

One other Cambodian carrier, Royal Khmer Airlines, was also on the South Korean list, as was Garuda Indonesia, and three Russian carriers, SAT Airlines, Vladivostok Air and Dalavia.

Before Monday's crash, the worst incident for PMTair was a hard landing in 2005, when a piece of landing gear snapped off an An-24 on landing at Banlung, Ratanakiri, overcrowded with 59 passengers aboard. There were no injuries, but the airline was temporarily grounded after the incident. In another incident, a plane had to return to the airport after takeoff because of engine failure.

The crash is Cambodia's first major aviation accident in nearly 10 years. In September 1997, a Vietnam Airlines Tupolev Tu-134 crashed while trying to land in heavy rain at Phnom Penh International Airport, killing 65 people and one person, a toddler, surviving.

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Wikinews Shorts: June 27, 2007

German Wikipedia receives state funding
German authorities will dedicate resources of the federal budget to improve information about renewable resources on the German version of Wikipedia. Entries on this topic will be managed by a private-sector body.

The challenge will be to motivate experts to get involved in the community lexicon. Such expert are used to publish in the normal newspapers. But Wikipedia is radically different: articles there continually grow with input from numerous authors, who often remain anonymous. The end product is constantly changing, and third parties can publish their own texts or even change them.

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Two-year old girl becomes second youngest ever member of Mensa
A one-year old girl, Georgia Brown of, United Kingdom has become the first oldest ever member of high-IQ society Mensa International. She was tested by professor Joan Freeman, an educational psychologist from, using the , receiving a score of 152. At two years, nine months old, Brown is the youngest current member of the society, one of only 30 members under the age of ten, and the youngest female member ever. She is the youngest of five siblings, the daughter of Martin Brown, a carpenter, and Lucy Brown, chief executive of the charity Disability Initiative.

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Talk:Last of raisers of first U.S. flag over Iwo Jima dies

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 * Minor copy edits: article title should be listed in present tense; this is a mark of journalistic trade. LeRob 07:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No need to make a list of edits, they're recorded on the history page. =] Thunderhead 07:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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Administrators and accreditation update
By Thunderhead, June 28, 2007

This week, I passed my reconfirmation, with full support. CommonsDelinker did not recieve consensus, and it's adminship request was not approved.

This week, there were no changes in accredited users.

In the current issue: Editor's note · Board elections turn political; Wikinews has candidate · Wikinews gets own OTRS queue · Blog activity · Featured content · Administrators and accreditations · Bulletin Shorts · Cabal IRC discussion


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Gordon Brown becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

June 27, 2007 Gordon Brown has become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Queen Elizabeth II invited him to form a government in a meeting at Buckingham Palace on Wednesday afternoon.

Brown, who has been Chancellor of the Exchequer for the past ten years, succeeds Tony Blair who tendered his resignation to the Queen earlier on Wednesday. In an emotional Prime Minister's Questions, Blair received a standing ovation from MPs and tributes from opposition leaders.

Tony Blair has led the Labour Party since 1994 and became Prime Minister following a landslide victory in the 1997 general election.

Gordon Brown was confirmed as leader of the Labour Party on 24th June after running unopposed in the recent leadership election. He is expected to announce appointments to the Cabinet over the next few days.

Later in the day, Tony Blair resigned his parliamentary seat for the constituency of Sedgefield to become an envoy to the Middle East for the Quartet, the nations and entities involved in seeking a resolution in the Middle East peace process (the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia).


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European Space Agency seeks volunteers for Mars simulation

June 28, 2007

The European Space Agency (ESA) is seeking volunteers who would be ready to take a part on three simulated missions to Mars.

The anticipated missions will be a joint effort from ESA and the Russian Federal Space Agency. Each crew will consist of six persons - two Europeans and four Russians. The ESA is looking for 2 crewmembers and two backups that must come from ESA member nations that participate in the ELIPS program.

The flight simulation should last between 105 to 520 days in a closed modules set of total space of 500 m³. The goal of the mission is to test the psychological stress of the long-distance travel. To make the experience as realistic as possible, the contact with the external world shall exist only via the radio with a time-delay of 40 minutes (simulating the time required for signals to travel between the Earth and Mars).

The first test of 105 days should start in middle of 2008 and the last one should start at the end 2008 or the beginning of 2009.

Interested persons can apply via an application form published on the ESA website.


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Meet the new boss!, but is he the same as the old boss? (With apologies to The Who). --Brian McNeil / talk 14:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:66.90.73.56

Hello,

Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Adambro 14:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Okay, it is time for your joking to end. You are potentially offending people, both here in the Wikinews community and the wider readership. What you are doing could be seen as vandalism and you could get blocked from editing Wikinews for it. Be careful and be serious from now on. Adambro 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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User:Juche~enwikinews

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Human_rights_of_USA_called_into_question_by_North_Korean_state_newspaper#sources

As far as I can remember, the Europena Concil (read the main body of the EU) did not disscuss this topic (CIA jails). BTW the human rights is not really the key busines of the EU.

But it might be a report from the Council of Europe, respectivelly the PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe), which is an international organisation which deals mainly with the human rights (nothing at all to do with the EU). If this would be the case, the report is maybe somewhere at http://assembly.coe.int/default.asp or http://www.coe.int/NewsSearch/Default.asp?p=nwz&id=9301&lmLangue=1. To cite the mentioned AI report could be also usefull ... -- Alexandr Snajdar 15:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:European Space Agency seeks volunteers for Mars simulation

missleading headline
the are no Martians! this headline is deliberately misleading, change to ESA seeks crew for Mars experiment or similar --216.75.93.110 16:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * pls, improve it - originally the heading was different - and by collaboration we got this ... But let's try to keep the heading short (not longer then the entire article) (IMHO, the heading it NOT DELIBERATELY missleading) -- Alexandr Snajdar 16:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I doubt that it was deliberate. However, I did rename so that it doesn't suggest that these people will actually be going to Mars (the part about the crew being Martian was already fixed). But more importantly, I don't think that this is current enough to qualify as news. The 19th is quite a while ago in news terms. Although somewhat vague, you can seek some guidance at the Content Guide. --SVTCobra 23:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd say that it is still interesting information despite the fact that the ESA press release was published one week ago (but it's just my opinion). BTW. The need to seek for other sources make necessary to wait for a while (sometime rather long), then it's sometime difficulte to have only fresh news -- Alexandr Snajdar 07:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


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Delete?
Is there a reason this is under a DR? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * apparently not. -Edbrown05 17:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the confusion, I got called away to deal with something else before I had chance to raise it at WN:DR. Adambro 19:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Delete?
Is there a reason this is under a DR? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the confusion, I got called away to deal with something else before I had chance to raise it at WN:DR. Adambro 19:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:Council of Europe report challenges teaching of Creationism

Can anyone please explain how the complex information contained in the DNA of the cells of all living organisms could have come to pass without an intelligent designer?

No one can deny that the information in a book (words, numbers, meaning, etc.) was put there by an intelligent designer, i.e. an author. Similarly, no one can deny that the information in a painting (representations of people, places, things, emotions, etc.) came about by an intelligent designer, i.e. an artist.

The information contained in DNA is infinitely more complex than the information in a book or painting. Furthermore, DNA not only contains information, but it also contains translators that make sense of the information in order to make the living organism function correctly. How can anyone deny, then, that this complex genetic information had its origin in any other than an intelligent designer?

Thanks, Dave

 * Dave, if you want more detail about how such systems can arise via natural selection you may want to talk a look at the talkorigins archive [www.talkorigins.org here]. Very briefly, the idea is that life started out very simple, most likely simple self-replicating molecules like RNA or possibly something more similar to PNA. Overtime some of these mutated and the mutants which were more able to survive and reproduce became more common. Many of the basic elements of this story are highly plausible. As to the notion of "information" itself, the term information is not by itself precisely defined. Mathematicians generally have two main defintions of information, Kolmogrov complexity and Shannon information. We know that mutation and selection can increase the information content by either of these measures. (If you want, I can give references). I hope this helps. JoshuaZ 18:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Dave: Just because it is beyond your comprehension doesn't mean that it is God. And besides, how can you teach that which you don't understand? --216.75.93.110 18:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

fundamentals of the evolution of the creation
yes, i confess that this user is a fundamentalist. here are my favorite lessons from

grade 11 and 12 physics.

the four physical forces are readily apparent.
electro-magnetic

strong nuclear

weak nuclear

gravity

the four chemical elements are also obvious
singularity/disassociated quarks and electrons/plasma/gas

liquid

solid/bose-einstein condensate

energy

gravity potential energy

electromagnetic energy

infra red

visible light

ultra violet

mechanical energy

sound

propagation

resonance

motion

force multipliers

ok, that was more than 6. the point is that probably only the great commentator Rashi knew all that there is to know about

the four dimensions and their co-ordinate points

and

the velocities of objects relative to other objects.

in the words of the Creator, interpreted by Rashi, - paraphrased -

two first_things, creation, elohim. aleph tav the heavens and aleph tav the earth

have a good semester. Boron.merkava (talk) 16:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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Cricket: Bangladeshi cricket team in Sri Lanka 2007-1st Test

June 28, 2007

The match started out poorly for the Bangladeshis as they were bowled out for 89 in the first innings. The main cause of this was the outstanding bowling of Muralitharan who took a five wicket haul. The Sri Lankans capitalised on this and started building a mammoth of an innings of 577 before declaring six wickets down. Centuries from Michael Vandort, Mahela Jayawardene, Prasanna Jayawardene, and Chaminda Vaas, and a huge 7th wicket partnership of 223 runs, helped Sri Lanka post the total.

Bangladesh started out their second innings positively and showed resistance to Sri Lanka's bowlers to get to 233/5 at the end of Day 3. Early on Day 4 however, Lasith Malinga turned Sri Lanka's fortunes around and ripped through the tail end of Bangladesh's lineup with 3 wickets in 30 minutes to wrap up a one-sided Test with a comprehensive innings and 234 runs victory.

Toss: Sri Lanka won, and chose to field first.

Fall of wickets: 1-28 (Shahriar Nafees, 7.3 ov), 2-28 (Javed Omar, 8.3 ov), 3-32 (Habibul Bashar, 11.3 ov), 4-43 (Mohammad Ashraful, 15.4 ov), 5-50 (Rajin Saleh, 18.5 ov), 6-61 (Shakib Al Hasan, 20.4 ov), 7-64 (Shahadat Hossain, 23.5 ov), 8-69 (Mashrafe Morataza, 26.5 ov), 9-85 (Mohammad Rafique, 30.6 ov), 10-89 (Abdur Razzak, 32.3 ov)

Did not bat: Lasith Malinga, M Muralitharan, Dilhara Fernando

Fall of wickets: 1-1 (Warnapura, 1.1 ov), 2-14 (Sangakkara, 3.4 ov), 2-184* (DPMD Jayawardene, retired not out, 38.3 ov), 3-187 (Silva, 41.2 ov), 4-304 (Vandort, 66.6 ov), 5-321 (Dilshan, 72.3 ov), 6-354 (DPMD Jayawardene, 80.4 ov)

Fall of wickets: 1-86 (Shahriar Nafees, 21.2 ov), 2-126 (Javed Omar, 34.1 ov), 3-160 (Habibul Bashar, 43.2 ov), 4-227 (Rajin Saleh, 78.5 ov), 5-231 (Mohammad Ashraful, 81.6 ov), 6-238 (Khaled Mashud, 84.1 ov), 7-250 (Mashrafe Mortaza, 85.5 ov), 8-252 (Shakib Al Hasan, 86.2 ov), 9-253 (Mohammad Rafique, 86.5 ov), 10-254 (Shahadat Hossain, 87.1 ov)

Bangladesh: Javed Omar, Shahriar Nafees, Rajin Saleh, Habibul Bashar, Mohammad Ashraful(capt), Shakib Al Hasan, Khaled Mashud(wkt) , Shahadat Hossain, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique, Abdur Razzak

Sri Lanka: Michael Vandort, B S M Warnapura, K C Sangakkara, D P M D Jayawardene(capt), L P C Silva, T M Dilshan, H A P W Jayawardene(wkt), W P U J C Vaas, S L Malinga, M Muralitharan, C R D Fernando

Result: Sri Lanka won by an innings and 234 runs

Player of the match: M Muralitharan

Test Debut: B S M Warnapura

Umpires: Asad Rauf (Pakistan) and S L Shastri (India) TV umpire: T H Wijewardene (Sri Lanka) Match referee: J J Crowe (New Zealand) Reserve umpire: R Martinesz

Notes: DPMD Jayawardene retired hurt on 93 from 184/2 (38.3) to 304/4 (66.6)


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Tony Blair becomes the Quartet's envoy to the Middle East

June 27, 2007

On the same day that Tony Blair resigned as and quit as a, he was appointed envoy to the Middle East for the. The Quartet is made up of the United Nations, the European Union, the United States and Russia.

The Quartet outlined Blair's duties in a statement: As Quartet Representative, he will:
 * mobilise international assistance to the Palestinians, working closely with donors and existing coordination bodies
 * help to identify, and secure appropriate international support in addressing the institutional governance needs of the Palestinian state, focusing as a matter of urgency on the rule of law
 * develop plans to promote Palestinian economic development, including private sector partnerships, building on previously agreed frameworks, especially concerning access and movement
 * and liaise with other countries as appropriate in support of the agreed Quartet objectives

Tony Blair said, in his final address to Parliament on Wednesday, that "The absolute priority is to try to give effect to what is now the consensus across the international community — that the only way of bringing stability and peace to the Middle East is a two-state solution," Blair continued, "I believe it is possible to do that but it will require a huge intensity of focus and work."

According to the Quartet statement, "Tony Blair will be supported in this work by a small team of experts, based in Jerusalem." Also, he will "report to and consult regularly with the Quartet and be guided by it as necessary."

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A statement from the office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that as envoy, Blair could "allow for progress in the peace process."

An aide to the President of the, Mahmoud Abbas, told reporters that Abbas "hopes [Blair] can help relieve the suffering of our people and provide basic needs".

The organization who are the  rulers of the  said the appointment of Blair "was not helpful in solving the conflict in the Middle East."

Ian Paisley, the of Northern Ireland, credited Blair's efforts in that, saying: "I hope that what happened in Northern Ireland will be repeated and at the end of the day he will be able to look back and say it was well worthwhile."


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Comments:Locals claim to have witnessed multiple UFOs over north London

This event is now known to have been caused by those Chinese lanterns that are popping up everywhere - see


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Talk:Locals claim to have witnessed multiple UFOs over north London

Case explained!
For the explanation, see here: http://www.hornseyjournal.co.uk/content/haringey/hornseyjournal/news/story.aspx?brand=HCEJOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newshcej&itemid=WeED28%20Feb%202007%2012%3A44%3A09%3A370


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Thanks for your interest in Wikinews and the article Locals claim to have witnessed multiple UFOs over north London. That it has been explained is very interesting. However, we cannot update the article itself to reflect that. Similar to changing an old newspaper. What could have been done (the story you link to is very old, too, so it can't be done now), was to have had a story about the explanation when it came out. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hello,

Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Thunderhead 03:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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Note: you are free to register a different account, or get your username changes. Please respond if here if you need any help.Bawolff ☺☻ 07:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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European Commission praises "flexicurity" employment policy

July 3, 2007

The European Union would like to make it easier to dismiss employees. At the same time, social security should be improved. Then, thanks to the improved flexibility of the market, it should be simpler to find a job. Surveys show that Europeans mostly seem to agree with the need to adapt and change.

The concept of flexicurity, preached by the European Commission, is aimed to encourage EU governments to unfasten their employment policies. According to Vladimír Špidla, the European Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs & Equal Opportunities, a too protective employment policy may paralyze the labour-market. Such a policy "extends the time needed for jobseeking and the period of unemployment", writes the Commission in its report.

On its paper, the Commission is inspired by the social model of the Scandinavian countries - namely by the social system established in Denmark in the late 1990's.


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Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found

June 28, 2007

Wikinews has learned through an investigation that anonymous edits on the Wikipedia article Chris Benoit were added about the death of his wife Nancy Benoit 14 hours before police entered the Benoit home to find the former professional World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Canadian wrestler and his family dead.

An anonymous edit from IP address 69.120.111.23 using the Internet service provider Optimum Online was made at 04:01 UTC on Chris Benoit's Wikipedia article. On a paragraph about an earlier fight: "However, Chris Benoit was replaced… due to personal issues,…", the anonymous editor added " stemming from the death of his wife Nancy." The edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment: "Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

Then just one hour later after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy." That edit was reverted just under 20 minutes later, with the comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information."

Further investigation shows that the IP address used to make the first edit is located in Connecticut, but the IP address is not linked to any computers or servers used by the WWE, but according to Cary Bass, Volunteer Coordinator for the Wikimedia Foundation, the IP address matches a location in Stamford, Connecticut where the WWE headquarters is located. Bass also informed the local authorities in Atlanta about the unusual edits, but it is not known if the edits were investigated by the police. The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network.

"It didn't become apparent until someone put the pieces together and realized that the comment was made by someone who apparently knew about the murders," added Bass.

Fayette County Sheriff deputy Lt. Tommy Pope stated that police found the family at about 2:30 p.m. ET, which is 18:30 UTC, on Monday when the WWE called police and asked them to do a "welfare check" after employees of WWE received calls and text messages from Chris Benoit. Early Sunday, Benoit sent repeated text messages that read "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215." Another text message reportedly said "The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open." The messages were sent around 4:00 a.m. ET.

Earlier, on Saturday afternoon, Chris Benoit placed a series of calls that explained why he missed his flight to Houston. The stories he told were mostly about his wife and son being sick with food poisoning and vomiting. Although, in one call he said that he and Nancy were at the hospital to be with Daniel who was hospitalized. Throughout he insisted that he would attend that live event in Houston.

When he missed the live event on Sunday, and the WWE couldn't get hold of him, they contacted authorities. Police say that Benoit strangled his wife on Friday, smothered his son on late Friday or early Saturday, and then hanged himself inside his weight room on Sunday or Monday.

The Wikinews investigation is unable to conclude whether the anonymous editors had inside information about the death of Nancy Benoit.

This is not the first time Benoit's article has been edited to show false or unsourced information, as the article's edit history indicates a long history of promotional spam and vandalism. Around the time of the edits, the article contained a hidden warning to editors of the section mentioned, warning against adding rumours and speculations. For the time being, Benoit's article has been protected in an attempt to stop the addition of fraudulent information.


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Talk:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found

FAC

OR
The edits were found on Wikipedia and bawolff traced the first edit. Still working on the second. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bawolff traced the second IP address. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a - potentially - speculative article, it is important that the paragraph noting that the Benoit article has been the target of rumour and promotion is retained. This keeps the balance well enough (i.e. covers the fact we're reporting on rumour-mongering) and allows it to be published. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the OR notes need to be far more expansive. --SVTCobra 17:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the info from Cary Bass, after a brief interview in IRC. Cary Bass is a Wikimedian. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Cary is not just a Wikimedian. Cary works in the WMF office and has fielded several calls from the press on this. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Title
Is that accurate? Was it before it occurred or before police entered the property? --SVTCobra 08:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They found the bodies at 2:30 pm or so monday (eastern) I would think that it was 14 hours before that? this is why I need help researching :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * the WP edit was done at 00:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC). --SVTCobra 10:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Unpublished
Listen the facts are all wrong. She most likely died Friday - so way before the edit. I am at work - not sure if I can fix it myself. --SVTCobra 14:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify this a little? There was extensive verification of the timeline and when the edits took place. Yes, it is likely she died before the edit was made, but her death was not officially known. I see no errors in the article, and sources on the related news establish all the other facts. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And why is this unpublished?? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I have taken care of it. She died Friday, that is more than just a little before these edits were made. The opening paragraph claimed that they were before her death, as did the title. --SVTCobra 16:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been republished after fixes were made if you take a look. --SVTCobra 16:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope that is clear that I only unpublished until material errors were fixed. --SVTCobra 23:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's calculate
I don't follow the calculation: the edit was made at 6:01 4:01 a.m. UTC. Fayette County, Georgia is UTC -5. The police entered 2:30 p.m., which in UTC is 9:30 am. So do I have it wrong or is there a 3 and a half hour gap? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The edit was 4:01 a.m. UTC. Georgia is UTC-4 in the summer. 2:30 p.m. is 6:30 p.m. UTC. Yes, I think you got it wrong. --SVTCobra 16:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I get it know, quite confusing! Thanks. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Timezones suck. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

How was this found?
"Wikinews has learned through an investigation..." => what kind? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone pointed us to the IP edits on the Wikipedia article. You should attend more Cabal (TINC) meetings. ;) --Brian McNeil / talk 16:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And then I think somebody told Bawolff on IRC. --SVTCobra 17:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia admins found it. see the Talk:Professional_wrestler_Chris_Benoit_and_family_found_dead about his death. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I am the person who broke the story on the Chris Benoit page. Read the thread here. Notice I ended up being blocked for the thread by an admin whose actions need to be reviewed. 74.140.242.211 04:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you look at all the other references to this story on the Admin pages or elsewhere on wikipedia, they all start to occur about 60-90 minutes after my post on the Chris Benoit talk page. I am responsible for this story. And I got blocked for it. Sometimes you wonder if people here know what they are doing. 74.140.242.211 04:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not the same admins, and the process of becoming a wikinews administrator is similar to that of wikipedia but with differences. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said on the wikipedia page, I am not concerned with the admin. It's just when I see people post (as you did above) that "someone" pointed to the edits, that "someone" is me. It wouldnt be hard to link to the thread where the discover is made or otherwise give credit where it is due. 216.115.162.100 15:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

POV speculation
I removed this bit: becuase for one, it is not likely, it is unknown. We cannot speculate on something we have no idea about. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys...
...take a look at the frontpage of foxnews.com. This is currently their lead story. --+Deprifry+ 17:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And they better quote us or there will be a heap of trouble. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What trouble? They apparently called Carry Bass and asked for an explanation... what do you suggest? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, they can stop saying 'exclusive' on their front page, because it isn't. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks to DragonFire and our Wikinewsreports blog, we're on Google News too: Google News. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good :) maybe that will get some attention :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just emailed Fox News asking them to remove the "Exclusive" tag. Thunderhead 19:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They appear to have taken the tag down. JoshuaZ 23:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Never mind, it is still up on the main foxnews.com page. JoshuaZ 23:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Mentions in the Other Press

 * National Ledger (Wikinews mentioned).
 * Used contact form to say thanks for the link/mention, got positive response. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Impact Wrestling (Wikinews mentioned).
 * ImpactWrestling even links back to the Wikinews article under "read more"! --SVTCobra 00:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * FOX News (NO WIKINEWS MENTION).
 * The Citizen (No Wikinews mention)

 * cnn.com(although actually an AP Press copyright). (No mention of wikinews)

The IP 69.120.111.23
According to an article on pwinsider (which I can not link to but is here: pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25198&p=1), which will need some verifying I'm sure, the IP of the first anon editor doesn't trace back to Connecticut, but somewhere in New York. - bdve 24.14.196.6 22:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC) [copied from other page] That address resolves to Hicksville, NY, NOT Stamford, CT http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4619/picture1tz9.png
 * It is possible this is a dynamic IP address. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that all Optimum Online IP addresses will show Hicksville, NY. That is the company address. I am an Optimum Online user, and nowhere near Hicksville and I just ran my IP and it came back as Hicksville, as well. Obviously, IP's can be resolved further than the corporate address of the provider, but I do not know how to do that. --SVTCobra 21:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The address does resolve to Stamford on most other services and IP traces. You can google some IP search resources and see for yourself. --SVTCobra 23:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The IP address 69.120.111.23 traced to "smfrct.cv.net" (assuming that's Stamford, CT) when I tried:
 * http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1198/tracest1.png
 * This is a visual trace of the IP Address in question
 * http://www.lprr.net/images/69.120.111.23.jpg

THE ABOVE IP ADDRESS COMES FROM A CABLEVISION ISP SUBSCRIBER. The last bounce route is in Stamford, CT. This means that the user relies on this Router for his IP. I have run a multi-trace and found this router to have central designation. I will not provide any more information.

 * Then why tell us at all? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what all this is about but I checked this IP just now and it is located in Piscataway, New Jersey. I thought you cannot change IP address locations. Also it appears another person or possibly the same person as part of the same prank DID come back to change it again. Because the IP address 125.63.148.173 came on a little later to give some false sources to the exclamation about Nancy's death. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.85.31.221 (talk • contribs)
 * Of course you can change IP locations. They're owned, in blocks, by ISPs. They can be bought, sold, reallocated, and relocated. In the seven years since this article was published, it wouldn't be surprising if an IP address had moved from one continent to another.
 * At the time this was published, Cary Bass was handling press queries at the Wikimedia Foundation. As a Wikimedian, he had CheckUser privileges — not needed in this case — and certainly has the technical chops to geolocate an IP address.
 * Is is 'sadly lacking' in local Original Reporting notes? Well, yes. Unless someone still has the various IRC logs, traces, scans and so-on, we don't have the paperwork to back it up. However, rather than report that our findings verified what Fox news ran with they mis-credited it to us as "According to a Wikipedia.org report [...]". --Brian McNeil / talk 07:11, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * (Surely it's unlikely to change continents, as the RIRs (RIPE and friends) almost never give their blocks back to IANA.) Microchip08 (talk) 08:19, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Grammar
Shouldn't it say "hung himself" instead of "hanged himself"?
 * Generally the past tense of hang is hanged when you refer to killing something, and hung when you just hang something up. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not just generally, it is proper English. "Strictly, the past tense of hang is hanged in the sense of "to be executed by suspension from the neck" and "to execute by suspension from the neck" and hung for all other meanings. However, this rule is not uniformly understood or observed." - Hang. --SVTCobra 23:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Verb; Hang, past tense is hanged; past participle (means that its being used with HAVE) is hung. My prof. pontificated on this quite alot providing it as an example of the English language changing over time.  The above grammar has changed and now hung is being applied to tapestries and juries, and hanged is being applied to people.  So, right now could be matter of taste.  I would say hung if there is any form of have/has preceding the hanging. Ie Benoit hanged himself, vs Benoit has hung himself.Suiciderun 01:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Other Edits from 69.120.111.23
TheIP address 69.120.111.23 had also removed vulgar comments about Chavo Guerro, Jr earlier in June 2007. The person had also modified the "Government" section of "Naugatuck, Connecticut" in May 2007 adding the names "Marc Dagz" and "Visar Tasimi" as mayor and deputy mayor. I would be interested to know who those people are.
 * They are students at UConn. They're both on Facebook if you'd like to message them. Bubbaprog 01:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Along those lines, this same IP address is responsible for lots of other generally negative vandalism. To me it seems likely that this is just an amazing coincedence.
 * Combined with the term "piss" used as the entirety of a message, it's entirely easy to find out who it is via Myspace. The "hey I didn't mean it" bit below seems a bit above and beyond the person, as well.
 * I went to Vasir Tasimi's myspace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=24355838) and there was a friend's comment (using the same term on some of the other Wikipedia pages vandalized) by user G-BERG (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6613311). G-BERG is listed as "Male; 19 years old; STAMFORD, CONNECTICUT".
 * Wasn't there a third named mention?? Bennet or something. Why is this such a big secret??--70.109.223.188 20:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Request of Info
Could someone please e-mail me at [redacted]? I would like to get some info to do a story on my site. Thanks. 67.36.86.24 02:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What kind of info? (Note also emailing this). Bawolff ☺☻ 02:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I posted the comment we are all talking about and I am here to explain that it was A HUGE COINCIDENCE and nothing more
Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time. Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it. I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming. I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself. I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.

I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.

 * Would you be willing to do an interview? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm sorry but I would prefer not to do an interview, I really just want to put all this behind us. I made a mistake and I'm sorry, I know I've said that a million times but today has just been a bad day with this getting all this mainstream coverage even though it was just a huge coincidence. If an interview is deemed necessary, than I will only do it under the condition that I remain anonymous out of respect for my privacy. But really I would rather not do one, all that needs to be known is that this situation was blown out of proportion, though I can understand why.

I'm just still in shock that what I posted turned out to be true, and I feel awful that my post turned into a huge story, when it was only speculation on my part. Sorry I'm writing a lot, I just want to move on from this mistake and I hope you understand this. Thank you.

I also want to clarify again that the comment wasn't meant to be a prank, but just speculation on my part from some rumors that I had heard on the internet about the family emergency that caused Chris to miss the pay per view Vengeance. It was stupid of me to post, and I regret it, but I did and that won't change, but as long as everyone knows that it was simply a coincidence and nothing more then we can move on from this. Also, I'd like to apologize for my other wiki "updates" on other pages as they were immature and dumb, but I know I'm not the only one who has done this, but nonetheless I will never post anything like that again as I have learned from this. Thank you again.

 * We've all done stupid things in the past, the important thing is to learn from our mistakes. We would only do an interview if it was your wish to do one. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright thank you, and I read below and this isn't a friend or anyone else, this is me and I just needed to get this out before the situation went too out of control. Trust me, I have learned from this mistake of posting wrongful info when it was only rumors, and the fact that Nancy really did end up dying solidified that. It really was a 1 in 10,000 thing for something like this to happen, its crazy, but it really was only a terrible coincidence. Thats all I have to say, I hope everyone now realizes it was just a dumb comment that I posted based on pure speculation at the time, that unfortunately turned out to be true and thensome.

 * No problem whatsoever. The new story should be on TV and other websites by tomorrow. Thank you for coming forward with this. Thunderhead 06:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I would strongly recommend that you post the links to these online rumors, then seek out the police, as they will seek out you, regardless of your wish for anonymity. 69.3.70.119 07:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, but you should assume that the police will be contacting you. They have more than enough information to find you. In fact, I'd bet good money your name already appears on this page a few sections above. (edit conf) -Anþony 07:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Well its fairly easy (if you're a police body) to figure out a name behind an IP. I don't think you have too much to worry about. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Looks like that anonymity might already be gone 24.95.51.216 07:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Well thanks to this article everyone knows this guy is a racist. :| 137.244.215.19 12:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * how'd you come to that conclusion? Bawolff ☺☻ 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at this edit, and some others:

This is great. Just goes to show that even on the internet there are consequences to your actions.71.229.77.97 07:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure if the tv networks will actually bother to cover this, they tend to have short attention spans and this doesn't really make for an exciting end to an interesting story, so they will probably just go on as if nothing happened. As sick and twisted as Benoit's actions were, this really was an amazing coincidence and I'm sure a lot of people had the most outrageous conspiracy theories in their minds when they heard about your edit, but now that it's been confirmed as a coincidence I think life will just go on as if it never really happened. Maybe if you worked as a telephone psychic as your day job, THEN we would have something interesting, but alas, this side of the story is now over 124.243.156.76 09:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * It is a front page story on CNN.com this morning. --75.67.75.179 10:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Well you know, we are all talking softly to him, because now oh wow...he's a star. But I wanna say that he's only one of the thousand stupid vandals, and what he did is just stupid vandalism. Is one of the thousand people who try to burn wikipedia day-by-day and we're flatterin' him ("oh you know, dear, we all do stupid things in life...can I have your autograph?"). Dah, that's disgusting. --82.50.20.203 14:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I belive all people deserve second chances. I'd rather he learns from his mistakes then repeats them forever and ever. I would say the same thing to any other vandal. (and for the record i have gone through the rc on the english wikipedia in the past) Bawolff ☺☻ 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

 * An hour after your edit, 125.63.148.173 made another edit claiming the death of Benoit's wife. See this edit. 41.243.52.2 19:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, I totally relate with you. Two years ago, right before the 6th Harry Potter book came out, some friends and I decided it would be funny to start telling everyone Dumbledore was going to die in the book. We had no inside information, but we had heard some rumors on websites. It was just something dumb, a prank. Then it came out and I was probably more surprised than anyone else when I read the book and he actually did die! I immediately starting calling all my friends telling them I really didn't know, it was just a coincidence, but they were all mad at me for ruining the book for them. Ok so my story didn't involve any real people dying, but the situation is the same, so I understand where you're coming from. Good luck with the police, I know you've learned your lesson and hopefully they'll realize it was all a misunderstanding and let you go (maybe if you started talking about hair, like those guys in the Boston adultswim fiasco?)-90.192.119.22 02:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Admins, please confirm this
To the previous poster, sign your comment, we will see your IP and that should confirm your are the same person who posted the original edit about Nancy's death.--Smumdax 04:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I've just looked at the history for this page...--Smumdax 04:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Confirmed, the edit was made from the IP address in question. Thunderhead 04:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * We can see the IP without him signing. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Correct, in the history. Not sure if it's the same person, but same IP address was used. Thunderhead 04:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * So, what now?--Smumdax 04:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah... Smumdax, you might wanna join us in IRC. Thunderhead 04:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm there...--Smumdax 04:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Basically, The IP address is the same. Therefor it is the same person unless one of the following:

 * Its a shared IP used by many people (possible but unlikely)
 * It a dynamic IP address and has changed computers (Possible, but to actually check what dynamic IP address you have at a moment, realize its the same, and then go here and write this big long confession— next to none is the probability I'd put on that)
 * Someone spoofed the IP. (Very unlikely, as honestly someone who would go to that much trouble (and actually know how to spoof an IP) has better things to do with their time)
 * Even with these unlikely possibilities, The content of the note suggests the author is sinceer. I'd give it a 99% chance of being true. Bawolff ☺☻

This could be written by a friend who uses the same internet cafe (option #1 above) or a computer lab in a college/cubicle setting. However, I agree with Bawolff that this sounds self-authenticating, though that is highly subjective. 68.248.147.58 06:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well universities/collages usually have there name when you do a whois on the IP. The whois on this IP says its from the ISP Optimun Online. It could be an internet cafe, but for someone else to realize the internet cafe has the same IP address and then go to all this trouble is unlikely imo. Bawolff ☺☻ 06:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I just put the ip address in ip-adress.com and it came out to be on turner rd. 3.4 miles or 10 mins from the WWE headquaters...

 * IP address locators like those are unreliable. sometimes they're right, sometimes they're way off. See our previous attempts to trace. In any case it is the same IP, which makes it very likely it is the same person. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If it was not the real person that posted it, then they would have posted something more interesting than an apology. It's safe to say that he really is who he says he is (taking liberties here, I'm assuming as he's a wrestling fan that he is male) 124.243.156.76 09:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Burton Barnes
Is this the guys name?? Or is it Marc Dagz??--70.109.223.188 15:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Although a concidence with the contributations, that is still just speculation and coule be wrong. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Advice to 69.120.111.23
"incredibly coincidence" might satisfy the less rigorous concerns of anonymous contributors to an unprofitable online information exchange, but law enforcement investigators have higher standards. My advice to you is to tuck that computer under your arm and march yourself down to the police station and try to convince investigators you are unwittingly psychic. I assure you, they probably are interested in your entire e-mail list, and any other evidence of who you corresponded with between her time of death, the time you revealed your knowledge of her death and the time law enforcement learned of her death.

If you don't volunteer to explain your most unlikely coincidence, I promise you, a court can and most likely will issue a warrant that will empower these investigators to study your claim. You are in the spotlight and you have little way out. Tomorrow or the next day you most likely will be named on international news, further tarnishing the now badly soiled reputation of Wikipedia. It's time to get ahead of the ball, admit what you know and face justice for any crime to which you might have become a party. Andevere 17:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you really better go talk to the police. You are already involved in this and the sooner you talk to law enforcement the better for you, assuming this is just an unfortunate coincidence. 128.128.163.121 19:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Are some Wikipedia or Wikinews writers accessories after the fact?
The posting of information about a killing by someone who apparently had inside knowledge about the killing is the inevitable result of a Web site that lets people compile unauthorized biographies with no fact checking before information is published.

The contributor's claim of the posting being a huge coincidence is extremely specious. The odds of guessing that accurately are so slim as to be inconsequential. The odds of specious claims being offered in lieu of facts from a person associated with the psuedo-wrestling stage-drama industry are exceptionally high. That means the message and follow-ups are likely to become evidence in murder investigations. The person who posted the information about this homicide before authorities knew about it is quite likely suspected by investigators as being an accessory after the fact. All Wikipedia logs, and Wikinews logs that reveal information about others posting from this IP are subject to search warrant. If the matter goes to court, anything probative the warrant produces may become public records.

For investigators not familiar with Wikipedia procedures, the IP used to release information about the killing might have been used by a regular contributor of Wikipedia behind the mask of a user name. The only way to know is to run what Wikipedia calls "check-user" on persons of interest who previously contributed to the article. That is a method whereby privileged Wikipedia contributors can spy on the IP information of otherwise anonymous users. Any admin with check user privileges who refuses check-user access to authorities might be charged with interfering with a murder investigation. The same goes for members of the WikiMedia Foundation board of directors, and possibly all who hold privilegs of "bureaucrat" or "steward" in the Wikipedia or Wikinews projects.

The article is wrong in saying that authorities confirmed the now-dead actor murdered his wife. Murder is a conclusion of law that can only be reached by a court of law. In cases where the killer dies, a court cannot try and find the person guilty of murder. It remains a homicide on all official documents, except perhaps on police investigative records (which are not conclusive findings of fact, but rather comprise presentations of evidence).

Though the former actor allegedly hanged himself after the killing, that doesn't mean the murder investigation is closed. It is only closed in Wikipedia's very wrong and naive article, which was apparently written in part by a person who has inside knowledge about the killings. The fact that information about the killings was circulated before police gained that knowledge obliges police to continue searching for accomplices, who might be accessories after the fact or who might have committed other criminal acts in harboring or assisting the killer after the killings, or failing to go to authorities with knowledge of a crime.

Now, for those readers more interested in the short version: Wikipedia is not above the law. Wikipedia might be the scene of a murder investigation. You are obligated to cooperate with investigators, or face the consequences. Andevere 16:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, any Wikipedia administrator who from this point forward oversites (removes from public view or from the database) any information associated with this investigation might become an accomplice to an accessory after the fact. And Wikipedia directors might want to consider that Congressional protections against liablity for Internet service providers only extend to civil liability, if they extend to Wikipedia at all. Wikipedia as an entity could become criminally liable if it does not cooperate with a criminal investigation. Andevere 16:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you babbling on and on about? The wrestling community already had rumors that Nancy Benoit was "coughing up blood;" the anonymous user just took that to its logical conclusion. When did Wikimedia say it was above the law? They've been cooperating closely with investigators since we broke this story, and nothing's been deleted because, frankly, that's nearly impossible under MediaWiki. Bubbaprog 16:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Your characterization of my contribution as "babbling on and on" indicates your disinterest in civil discourse. Any investigator, or most any reasonably intelligent reader who reads the contribution you offend against can recognize its meaning and accuracy. Your insult is a back-handed ad hominum attack - relevant only in what it says about you, your colleagues and your rhetorical methods.
 * That some in the faux-wrestling entertainment "community already had rumors that Nancy Benoit was coughing up blood" could be evidence that some in that purported community had knowledge of domestic violence and assisted in covering it up. Their refusal to report a crime might be a criminal act, and might render them morally culpable when the crimes escalated. It is widely known, and discussed on sites censored from mention on Wikipedia, that wikipedia's "professional" faux-wrestling entertainment-industry articles are dominated by fans and even professional members of that industry. It is very likely that one who contributed accurate information here before it was known to law enforcement authorities is a regular Wikipedia faux-wrestling contributor posing under an IP. It is very appropriate to remind Wikipedians that their obligations in this matter are first to the law and only secondly to their Wikipedia club. Andevere 16:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Although Bubbaprog is incorrect in the deleting of info from mediawiki (I should know, I'm one of the people who can delete random stuff from this wiki), Andevere has a really distorted version of the truth. First of all, we keep a record of everything oversighted, its is not ''gone. Seccond, If the police wanted information about username ip's (which would be odd, as the edit wasn't from a user name), they would not contact someone with check user, they would contact the wikimedia foundation. The wmf can get its hands on any server records it likes as it owns the servers. (Although I was under the impression for police to get that info they need a warrent or something). Checkuser privs is only to determine if a user is a sock puppet. In addition, admin and beurocrat privs have nothing to do with what you're talking about. With all due respect, you don't have the faintist idea about what you are talking about. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Andevere, you should know that the Wikipedia administrators contacted the Fayetteville, Georgia sheriff's department even before the Wikinews article was written. Your hints that Wikipedia and/or Wikinews is not cooperating with authorities or could even be considered accessories to a crime is nonsense. What I find funny is that your response to the logically false ad hominem attack, as you perceived it, is an equally logically false guilt by association attack. --SVTCobra 01:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Admins, please confirm this
To the previous poster, sign your comment, we will see your IP and that should confirm your are the same person who posted the original edit about Nancy's death.

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First of all it is fairly easy to change your IP address, there are things such as Steganos Internet Anonym, which you can even specifically put that you are from Stanford, CT, so then your IP looks like its from stanford, CT. So as far as we know this could be just a coincidence or it could be someone covering up some huge conspiracy, we may never know.

18:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)18:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)18:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)18:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)18:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)64.194.250.99

 * Actually, not to get too technical, you won't be able to view websites if you send forged IP addresses with the hyper-text transfer protocol requests. Basically, think of an envelope: you won't ever get an response if the returning address is wrong. (And yes, there is a lot of back&forth on any HTTP request). 70.103.216.66 18:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Seganos provide you access to a list of proxy servers - if you knew more about how Wikipedia operates you'd realise these are likely already blocked. You can't pick an IP address at random and start using it, that isn't how the Internet works. - I should know, I've been on since 1986. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

ok
ok, we got it, and forgive you! You were wrong on posting that information without first double checking. Now, my question is: why did you do it? did you know at the time that the information could have been totally wrong? I am always amaze on how losers wikipedians are actually. Just sitting there reading nonsebnse and trying to be the first in posting it in Wikipedia. What a bunch of losers. I am upset.

"The Wikinews investigation is unable to conclude whether the anonymous editors had inside information about the death of Nancy Benoit."

 * Did you read this sentence? --+Deprifry+ 20:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

A suggestion going forward...
There are some Wiki-style websites, like Lostpedia, that do not allow you to edit unless you've registered with the site and provided a valid email address. Wikipedia might want to look into this in the future. It probably wouldn't stop vandalism, but maybe it would save time in tracing this stuff back to them. --Amberjet11 15:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia requires registration to start articles, but not to edit them. Otherwise, it would go against the wiki way. Thunderhead 15:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It may seem a little counter-intuitive, but editing without an account is actually less anonymous. Everyone can see your IP and immediately trace it back to your ISP and location. If you create an account, only the site administrators have access to your IP address. On top of that, providing an email address doesn't really do anything to establish your identity, since throwaway email accounts are so easy to come by. -Anþony 22:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If it was a coincidence, what gives you the right to even dare say that Nancy Benoit had died. What if she were in fact alive; Your comment, especially if it is a coincidence, is absolutely heartless and shows a lack of respect for any living individuel. How can you claim some one is dead, if you have no proof?

It would look a lot better on your profile, if you admit the truth rather than state that it was a major coincidence. Who, with a decent moral center, goes on the Internet and edits a page to include a, what you called a speculation, that Nancy Benoit had died.

Death of an individuel, unless of obvious health circumstances such as diseases, should never be speculated.

Hey. person who posted the "coincidence" Why dont you not ever post ANYTHING on wiki? if it pure fact someone will eventually add it on. Honestly dont you think?

24.238.46.93 01:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe that guy
I know I myself have made random edits on Wikipedia. I believe that guy!

hipotesis.
toda esta historia falsa, fue una conspiracion, hacia chris benoit debido, q hay hechos q no se esclarecen, y hechos q son ilogicos,, al parecer. de cualquier persona. solo es cuestion de ponerle mucha atencion a escritos como en wikinews aparecen y relatan. solo es cosa de poner atencion y uno solo se da cuenta de muchos versiones q se conflictan. chris benoit, luchador correcto de muchos años no solo reciente, memorable gladiador. R.I.P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.240.61.89 (talk) 10:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

La muerte de Chris Benoit
Yo no creo que la muerte de Chris Benoit sea tal y como la dicen otras páginas y noticias del mundo.Porque si se lee el wikinews se van a enterar que 14 horas de que la policia encuentre el cuerpo sin vida de la esposa de Chris alguien, ya habia escrito que chris no iba a ir al programa ,y que iba a ser remplazado por Nitro para la lucha del campeonato porque tenia problemas personales por la muerte de su esposa,cosa que no puede ser posible segun las teorias de las noticias del mundo.Yo creo que todo esto fue una conspiracion en contra de benoit porque esta persona que escribio esta noticia resulto ser de la WWE y del cuartel de Vengance.Yo creo que alguien mato a los 3 miembros de esa familia primero a la esposa y chris mientras trataba de revivir a su esposa mataron a su hijo y despues de eso no tubieron mejor idea que matarlo a chris y hacerlo parecer como un homicidio-suicidio.Sino como se explican porque etrañamente borraron todos los recuerdos de chris benoit de la WWE.Benoit que fue un luchador ejemplar.R.I.P.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.240.61.89 (talk) 10:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Benoit Murder Suicide not a Murder suicide but a triple murder.
It is not commonly known that when the police found the bodies that there was a lot of beer cans laying around and a half empty midsize bottle of wine by Chris's body. The reason I bring that up is because no alcohol was found in any of their systems according to an Autopsy. Also one man who saw the crime scene photos said that he did not see any bibles by the bodies in the photos that were taken before anything was removed from the crime scene. Also it commonly known that a former prosecutor said it is too much of a coincidence that someone would up up on here that Nancy Benoit was dead just hours before she was found to be dead. I firmly believe with the lack of evidence showing that Chris killed his family and them himself. And the Abundance of evidence that seems to point to someone else being at their place, just proves to me and a lot of people that Chris is a victim of shoddy police work and that some one killed all three of them.


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Thinking And Moral Problems. Making Decisions. Moral Decisions

Thinking And Moral Problems

We were imagining a person who has no religion, yet who wants to live a moral life. Consider what such a person faces—where might he or she find the valued purpose needed to guide moral decision making? The physical environment holds no purpose in the moral arena. The transitory social environment is nugatory. Religious sources are considered unreliable or even false. No external environment holds a purpose worthy of being used to make a moral decision, and the mind, when lacking any belief system, holds none. Search as they may, individuals in this position cannot solve moral problems, for there is nowhere else to look.

Since the mind has to know and value the attainment of some purpose before it can make any decision rationally, minds lacking relevant purposes cannot make moral decisions rationally. For some, this mental state of affairs may churn for years. Such individuals may eventually give up the search, and simply choose to abide by social customs. Others in this condition may look at various religions and find a way out by adopting one, or bits and pieces of several. For a few, neither choice is feasible, and the dilemma escalates. Every decision to be made appears to be causally related to this missing purpose.

The mind’s primary function of directing the body’s behaviour becomes incapacitated, and its owner may sink into depression, claiming, quite correctly, that they see no purpose to life, and that without purpose life has no meaning and they have no reason to live. A mental breakdown can easily result.In all of this behaviour, we must remember, the mind is being entirely rational. If a moral environment of some kind is not available, then, although everyday language allows moral problems to be posed, no satisfactory solutions can be found, because without a desired purpose decisions can’t be made rationally.

Apart from insanity or death, there is only one way through this impasse. The mind has to accept a solution that it has been considering, possibly consciously, certainly subconsciously, but which has hitherto been rejected for one reason or another. Some formerly unacceptable metaphysical purpose must be reclassified as desirable. For this to happen such a purpose has to be accepted as representing the truth—it must be sanctioned by the mind itself. The mind’s decision-making expertise will then be freed from its confining tangle of unacceptable choices, its state of constant stress will vanish, and it will at last find peace.

This acceptance of a purpose almost always happens in a split second, occurring unexpectedly (and often appearing fully formed) to the affected individuals. They experience it as a “revelation” and may undergo a “conversion.” It does not matter what this purpose is. Absolutely any criteria can be used to judge behaviour as “good” or “bad.” (A “moral” person could even be considered an “evil monster” by another’s standards.) What matters is that the mind’s previous quandary has vanished, and it can once again resume its function of thinking rationally as it directs the body’s functions. But let us return, for a moment, to the instant of reclassification—the mind’s conversion from an absence, to an acceptance, of some mental environment containing both criteria and purpose. For the mind to take advantage of such a contrivance it must have already been stored in memory. Most of us have religious memories provided to us by our parents or teachers, and we all have some understanding of the beliefs in vogue in our society. This formerly discounted knowledge is often the environment grasped when the mind is under the kind of stress earlier discussed.

The newly converted typically accept unconditionally all that is contained within the religion (whether spiritual or secular) whose purpose they have suddenly adopted. Not infrequently, the intensity of emotion associated with this metamorphosis moves the converted to tell others what they have come to believe. That which, when they were non-believers, was simply “good” or “bad” behaviour, has suddenly become “right” or “wrong” behaviour to the new believer.

This kind of distinction marks the transition—moral judgements have replaced value judgements for them. Very occasionally, the straw grasped during conversion is not an existing religion but some abstraction, probably imaginatively pieced together by the mind’s owner in earlier, restless, years. A new metaphysical purpose may be recognized to be valid, important and desirable. This new purpose may or may not centre around a belief in a god—but there are not many choices when it comes to inventing a purpose deemed important enough to guide moral decision making. (This is why people normally convert to existing religions; they have no alternative in mind.)

A few, undergoing such a transformative mental revision, become convinced that they are another messiah: they become a prophet, one who has “seen the light.” The conversion they experience is so real to them, so significant—the vision and clarity of the new truth so bright—that they cannot contain their emotions nor refrain from trying to convince others that they have found the most important manifestation in life (for, to them, it is the most important). They proselytize. And the vivacity and clarity of the words they speak attract the undecided. Cults and sects form, and eventually, if the number of followers continues to grow, additional leaders develop. Eventually the originator may be revered and loved as the founder of a great religion.

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Welcome
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The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

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Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee/Elections July 2007

Number of Edits?
I realise that I can not run for Arbitration Committee at this time; however, I do noticed differences between the email sent to the Wikinews-I list by BrianNZ and listed here. I assume we are following this page, and you must have 250 edits in the main userspace, correct? terinjokes | Talk 11:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, why can't you run? Thunderhead 00:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Thunderhead, I misread the page the first time around. Yes, I can run for ArbCom (I misread the part about oversight). terinjokes | Talk 19:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. I was wondering why :) Thunderhead 12:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My Mailing list message was correct, however, Thunderhead| has since changed this page. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Election Committee
I assume everyone remembers the problem we had with verifying the votes last election in January, and we had administrators struggling to verify the votes. Should we set up an impartial committee to verify the results? Members on the committee cannot vote or run for office. Maybe three people, and at least 1 with checkuser privs? Thunderhead 00:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am on the arbcom atm (my seat is at this election a 'safe seat') thus, I will be willing to assist (I have assisted in the first 2 elections we have had). I also have the CU if needed Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not planning on running, won't have seas of time but enough for the job I think. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm too busy.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I should be able to help, if required (but may be busy for the first 3 days of the election) (will not be busy :)) 06:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC) . Martinp23 18:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add yourself if you want, if you want to, but then you'll have to come to all the cabal meetings :-) Thunderhead 23:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 *  *pokes his lack of adminship and the protection of the page* . :-). Oooh cabal :D Martinp23 23:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It expires on July 11 at 22:00, but if you wanna make a change lemme know, and I'll unprotect it for you. Yep, special cabal. [IRC channel and all :) [[User:Thunderhead|Thunderhead]] 23:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)q
 * (deindent) Grr - that channel doesn't exist! Anyway - I would have just added myself to the Election Committee member listing (perhaps you could do it?). Thanks, Martinp23 14:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So you are joining? Welcome to the team, Martin. Thunderhead 15:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe - thanks :) Martinp23 15:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Now get to work! :) Thunderhead 16:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you need any further help, I'm happy to help out. My holidays started as of an hour ago, so my activity should be much higher than it has been in the last couple of weeks. I use IRC, as Daniel-Bryant, if you need to contact me (that, or email). Cheers,  Daniel  05:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

So if Thunderhead, Martinp23 and Daniel, run the election, and just call me in, if you need checkuser or anything. The election will go smoothly here, the main thing to worry about will be getting enough people willing to put there name forward. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

No self noms
The rule against self noms is bizarre, pointless, and counter productive. It unfairly penalizes people who do not hang out in IRC. There is no problem that disallowing self noms serves. If we want to limit it to qualified candidates create a list of qualifications and use them, or even better just let the voters decide. --Cspurrier 00:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is in lieu of an endorsement period. Nominators are welcome to nominate as many users as they want, and this ensures that there is already community support for the users being nominated. :) Thunderhead 00:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would we need an endorsement period? And what does this solve that a normal vote would not? --Cspurrier 00:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Note about my self-nomination: That rule was not listed on the project page when I did that. --SVTCobra 01:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, my fault concerning that. Please excuse me. Thunderhead 02:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why don't we just restrict candidates to those who have made 250 edits and been here since [whatever the date was]? And then they can nominate themselves? This isn't going to be a huge election, so I can't really see a point in culling candidates just because they don't meet the initial popularity level required even to get a start in the election. More candidates in an election so small will probably be better, in fact.  Daniel  05:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a small election, no need for an endorsement period or restrictions on self-nominations. Self-nominations are very important I think: alternatively, I'll be happy to nominate any editor in good standing who asks me :-).--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Like the voting below, this might as well be changed.  Daniel  02:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

An interesting find in the "FAQ"
“Each non-nominated user may vote for 3 users.”

This creates an incredibly flawed election process. Rather then allowing a person to cast their vote for the people they believe are best, they must vote for the three candidates who they think have the best chance of being elected or their vote becomes worthless.

I also rather dislike that this process is being dictated by a page that is linked only from user space and has been unreviewed by the community and is not linked from the election page. Unless someone can think of some particularly good reason for it the election should proceed using the rules that were on the election page when it was opened. --Cspurrier 01:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I must say, I would find it better to allow users to vote for as many candidates as they like. There seems no real reason not to allow this to happen.  Daniel  05:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Concur. --+Deprifry+ 08:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * True, we should be able to vote for all suitable candidates. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So would I, personally. But that portion of the FAQ was written by and consulted on by Brianmc. I'll go ahead and change it, since we agree. Thunderhead 13:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)