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November 15, 2007

Baseball home-run leader Barry Bonds was indicted today in the United States District Court in San Francisco, California. The charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stem from Bonds's testimony that he did not knowingly take steroids to a grand jury during the BALCO scandal.

Evidence was allegedly obtained during the investigation that included a positive test for performance-enhancing substances. Bonds, currently a free agent, still denies using steroids.

The indictment said: "During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing substances for Bonds and other professional athletes."

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It's about damn time... Spacehusky 23:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Rot in prison you cheating jackass.

20-30 years... c'mon

Barry Bonds dug his own grave. He tried to hide the fact the he didn't do steriods, but that was in his words. He could not back it up with his body size. When Barry Bonds won his first MVP with the Pittsburgh Pirates, he was a skinny player with raw power and incredible fielding ability. He was the modern day Willie Mays. As Bonds aged, he began to get bigger. This isn't uncommon (looking at current players Alex Rodriguez and Ken Griffey, Jr.) The difference between Bonds and the other players was the amount of power Bonds gained, and the amount of speed and vulnerability he lost. Bonds exploded over a season, and put himself on the radar with Major League Baseball. His career was in jeopardy starting here, but ended once he decided to lie the grand jury about his use. Bonds ruined his career. By commiting perjury he went from a All-Star record-breaker to an asterisk to America's pasttime. This should be a reminder to all professional athlete to stay clean and truthful. It is sad to see such an amazing athlete falter at the expense of the law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenwaymemphis (talk • contribs) 22:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Police in Amery, Wisconsin say that they have arrested a 39-year-old former teacher's aide that used to work for Amery School District, charged with having sex with one of her 16-year-old students. Brenda K. Baillargeon, if found guilty, will face more than six years in prison and a possible fine of not more than $10,000.

Brenda K. Baillargeon now faces 3 counts of sexual assault of a student by school staff and 2 counts of child enticement with sexual contact. According to a complaint filed Thursday in Polk County Circuit Court, Baillargeon first had sexual intercourse with the alleged victim sometime between May 19 and May 29 at a lake cabin. They also allegedly had sexual intercourse on August 2 at the teen's home while his mother was away and on or about Sept. 30 at the home of the accused. The alleged victim's mother contacted authorities after her son confessed the activity to her Nov. 13, according to the complaint.

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Now there's a reason NOT to be a teacher. A minor makes one allegation and her name is published worldwide as a sex offender. Her life is over; guilty or not. Shane.Bell 08:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You may have a point, although the way I read the article it is a crazy parent making the problems. This is a female teaching assistant and a 16 year old. In the UK that wouldn't be illegal, just inappropriate. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * True it wouldn't be illegal for an adult woman to have sex with a 16 year old in the UK. However, in Wisconsin the age of consent is 18 so if guilty she is SOL. In some states the Age of Consent can be as low as 14 so she's unlucky.

 * Personally I think 'Age of Consent' is a terrible piece of blanket legislation which doesn't work and needs to be addressed on other grounds on a case by case basis. But I won't go in to that.

 * It also might not be technically accurate to say she wouldn't be breaking the law in the UK either. In the UK we have laws which classify sex (irregardless of age) as Statutory Rape between certain people.

 * For example: a psychiatrist who has sexual relations with a patient (even if the patient was never sanctioned or declared mentally ill; EVEN after the patient is cured and no longer being treated) may be convicted of statutory rape due to abusing his position of authority over that person.

 * It's not a joke, it's a serious dilema; a patient becoming infatuated with their psychiatrist is very common. The law may or may not be the same for teachers. I'm guessing it probably is. Shane.Bell 11:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I pretty much agree with you, a situation like this is never totally black and white. The law is what divides it up into such. The way I read the story there's no serious psychological damage here, the student is "technically" sexually mature, not someone pre-pubescent or just raging with hormones - well, actually I remember when I was sixteen. If my English teacher had propositioned me I would've said yes, so perhaps raging with hormones. She was cute, and I found her brand of intelligence attractive. :) --Brian McNeil / talk 12:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree that these things are never black or white. I think some people are mature enough to make these decisions on their own well before they're legally allowed to. I also think that some people are well over the Age of Consent and still aren't mature enough to engage in a meaningful relationship. To me, Age of Consent is a blunt compromise catering for the right wing sensibilities of parents whilst making as many of the resulting court cases in to open and closed affairs. Its irresponsible and damaging and I've always though that it is one of the areas in many countries legal systems that needs urgent attention.

 * I didn't imply with my example that there's any sort of psychological damage in the Wisconsin case (if that's how you took it; I'm not sure). The reason there are such rules for psychiatrists has nothing to do with the patient being unfit to decide. It's because the psychiatrist has to put himself in an artificial position of power and authority for his job. The patient has to be able to trust the psychiatrist to do this responsibly and professionally. For many people; power and authority are very attractive qualities which could easily be used for seduction in some cases. In that way I think it's the same for teaching.

 * As for the Wisconsin case; I agree with you that there probably is no victim. If it is true that the boy contacted her numerous times and that they both travelled multiple times to meet up then I think it's unlikely that this was anything but a consensual act between two effective 'adults'. As to what will happen now; that has to be decided by the legal system. She knew what she was doing and I suppose she must be dealt with logical consistency by the systems in place. Hopefully one day things like this won't happen and people will realise that sometimes the offence is in the law; not the criminal. Shane.Bell 16:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

This is idiocy. Nobody was raped, if a student makes a choice to have sex nobody should be punished, teacher's aide or not. American laws punish people for making human choices. US fights against terrorism and communism, yet it is a police state. Freedom? Yeah, right.

It's probably worth ading the teacher aid's age. A "teacher's aid" is normally a university student studying to be a teacher. So she's likely between 19 and 22, i.e. not much older than the student.

 * Please sign your comments. They often are... this one was not. According to the first cited source she was 39. I added this to the article. Shane.Bell 11:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Information should no longer be added to this article. --SVTCobra 12:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

 * SVTCobra, without wanting to be argumentative... why not? The article is less than a week old, still on the front page and the unsigned contributor makes a good point that the all important age of the offender is not included.Shane.Bell 12:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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I dont know if that teacher was a licensed aid but she might have been a licensed rapist! --50cent541 21:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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Number of shots
SUpposedly (from a news site, i cant remmeber which one) the police claimed that they only shot 2 times, but some witnesses claimed to have heard 4 shots or something.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.237.153.162 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 16 November 2007

Murder
This man was murdered, just as the Brazillian was in the UK for being mistaken for a terrorist. Cops are usually ill educated to the degree of their weapons and what they can do, especially in this case. In fact modern policing is a joke, period. No doubt in this instance, as in many others, they will 'get away with murder' god bless them! Here in Australia they are no better.

Honestly, you would think a police force, service, more capable of dealing with situations better, they deserve life for this murder. Put a uniform on a man and watch him change......

Didnt some Yankee cops shoot a poor mentally disturbed guy 20 times recently..... Bloody cops...Power to kill without reprehension. I am ashamed to hear of this incident from the Mounted Police in Canada.. whoever did it should rot in hell..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.139.179.130 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 16 November 2007

Why?
I think that the man shouldn't have over reacted about the language barrier problem, but why is it needed to shoot twice when the man is already on the floor? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.26.102.22 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 November 2007

Justice
Four people murdered another person over a misunderstanding, what else if there to say? I hope that justice finds these killers, but I doubt it will come from the RCMP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.104.67.222 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 16 November 2007

"Less than lethal" lie needs to be debunked once and for all
When tasers were introduced, the line of bull pitched at every news outlet on the planet was, "These weapons are alternatives to lethal force, which will be used to save the lives of people against whom the police otherwise would have to use their firearms". In reality, tasers are being used:

 * As preventative measures, just in case somebody believed to be unruly might decide to get physical
 * As punishment for citizens who fail to quickly follow a lawful order
 * As "pain compliance" (i.e. torture) devices to move people around

The next time you see someone repeat that stale Big Lie about avoiding fatalities from lethal force, call them on it! 70.15.116.59 03:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Canada = Brutality???
The brutality of the Canadian "police", in murdering an innocent man, portrays all Canadians as vicious thugs out to wield unauthorised power at a whim.

Shame Canada!

What has your beautiful country become. I visited ten years ago and was impressed by the friendliness and courtesy of the people.

However, over the last four years I have come across disturbing accounts of power gone mad with actions like Monsanto suing a farmer who had not planted their patented seeds but had found his crops infected by the wind-blown pollen from another farm.

Get a grip Canada. I choose not to believe it is the "average" person in Canada. I choose to believe it the people in positions of influence who are abusing their power. Still, when the people do not speak up they are complicit - accessories to the fact - accessories to continued murder and abuse.

You're on the road to becoming like the USA - a Fascist state that is totally out of control.

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Actions of 4 RCMP constables should not decide Canadian reputation
First let me say that I am not defending or condemning the actions of the RCMP in this particular instance, I'll wait until the coroners report and all the other facts are in before forming a concrete opinion. It is really easy to point the finger after the fact and say 'that was unnecessary' or 'you're a murderer', but be rational people, this was an accident, a tragic and fatal mistake. I don't see any of you people strapping on bulletproof vests and directly confronting violent and unruly people on a daily basis. Also, let it be said that there have been far more deaths of RCMP constables in recent years specifically because the INDIVIDUALS involved hesitated to take the action to protect themselves, simply because they felt it was unnecessary. In the incident at YVR on October 14th, the man was frustrated, and acting violent, and I am absolutely certain that the RCMP didn't even consider the possibility that the Taser and resulting struggle would end in his death. Also, keep in mind that when the RCMP came into contact with the man and asked/gestured for him to stand against the wall, he stepped aside to a desk instead, and picked up a stapler. Sure, a stapler isn't a threatening weapon, but the action could most certainly be interpreted as threating behaviour or intention of threatening behaviour.

Second, put yourselves in all the individuals shoes. The RCMP, YVR security, public in the area, and the immigrants. If YOU traveled for the very first time to a foreign country with intentions on living there, without learning a single word of their native tongue, would you get so frustrated when stuck in the airport for several hours as to start throwing chairs and computers around the airport? What do you think some of the possible consequences could be? And when 4 policia came to intervene, would you struggle with them or take any action which could be interpreted as threatening, or would you act as calm as possible and simply try to follow their direction and commands? After they shocked you once with a Taser, would you continue to fight and struggle with them, or would you just kneel down and place your hands behind your back or on your head? And instead of simply condemning the RCMP perhaps you should be asking 'how does an immigrant get misplaced for 8+ hours in an International Airport without anyone directing him to the proper Customs Officer or POLISH interpreter?' Oh and let's also not forget 'why weren't their paramedics at YVR to immediately respond to the man after his heart stopped beating? And then the public, nobody around did anything to help, perhaps because they personally felt threatened. One woman went up to him when he was holding the computer and obviously intending on throwing it at the glass, and when she asked/gestured for him to put it down, he asked/gestured for her to move away from the glass, indicating that he wasn't listening to reason, he HAD become unruly.

Lastly, I have heard a number of comments such as 'shame on you Canada' or 'you are becoming a fascist-Americanized country'. Please people, don't judge our entire country based on the actions of 4 RCMP constables on 1 occasion, even if you still feel it was unnecessary. Keep in mind they are individuals who acted according to their interpretation of the situation. Next, I think our refusal for the invasion of Iraq is a clear enough message that we are not simply some American lackey. Also, it is inevitable that in the fear propagated world we currently live in post 9/11 led by a fascist terror-inducing leader, that their closest neighbor would be influenced into this irrational state of fear and paranoia first. Perhaps this is a sign that some of our RCMP are feeling overly and irrationally threatened, but who is to blame for that? So, let's wait to hear the coroner's report before deciding to condemn the RCMP constables involved. Should they determine that he asphyxiated due to the struggle with the RCMP, then perhaps they did get unnecessarily rough with him. Also, it is protocol that 2 electric shocks are the maximum, and from the video it would appear that statement is accurate, however of course that could be wrong. But wait until all the facts are in, and use some rationality when assessing this situation, also have some empathy for the RCMP constables involved and not simply the poor Polish immigrant who tragically died in the confrontation. They are there for our protection, and despite the fact that sometimes they make mistakes, and because of the responsibility they possess, those mistakes are often very serious. Oh, and to that comment of Monsanto suing a Canadian farmer; Monsanto is an American Corporation! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaynewland (talk • contribs) 19:24, 17 November 2007

Hands at sides?
I've seen it reported several places that Mr. Dziekanski was calm and had his hands at his sides when TASERed. However, I'm not certain this is true. Watching the video it was difficult for me to tell the exact moment that he was TASERed and what his hands were doing at the time (this is because of the glare from the glass wall he was standing behind and the fact that there was an object obstructing view of his body from the approximate waist level downwards) but it seemed to me that he had a black object in his right hand; perhaps this was the stapler that has been referred to in other media reports. In the video I also saw his arms moving about while he was holding this object; although I'm not sure if this movement was before or after the TASER discharge. If the police had been informed that they were dealing with an agitated man who had previously been throwing objects and they then saw him pick up a stapler they may have believed he was about to throw it at them and TASERed him for that reason. Whether using a TASER to prevent an object being thrown at you is justifiable or not is another question. I'm not sure what the RCMP training is on this question: i.e. when is it appropriate to use the TASER? Does the situation need to be life threatening or do you simply need to feel in danger of being assaulted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.179.85 (talk) 21:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Video of man tasered at Vancouver airport released
am shocked that people who pretend to be the "humanists" of the world can do such a thing!where has patience gone?have we all gone ballistic?what was so hard to get the man's passport, call his embassy and get an interpreter?surely, this was uncalled for and Cnadians should make sure justice is served if they don't want the name of their country soiled. Waithera,Kenaya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.206.143.59 (talk) 06:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Watch video on http:\\www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gMPqJmVyoM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.43.225 (talk) 07:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that these RCMP poeple should of used the telephone translation service and they should of at least tried to comunicate with Mr. Dziekanski before he was tased. Also i think that a taser should be the last resort and they should be fined or at least hav thier tasers taken away for a certian period of time. I wonder how the 2010 Olympics will be effected by this and that they should make sure that they have either staff or the telephone that can translate to what the foriegn people are saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.148.173 (talk) 01:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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why nblame the police. the man should have done as asked by the police. in some countries he would have just got shot. angry man armed with a chair. and a greedy man with a crap camera footage. —81.141.188.50 (talk) 19:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Where's the video itself? —178.94.66.233 (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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If 4 or 5 pigs can't arrest 1 person without disabling the person 1st, burger king is looking for patty flippers, you pigs will fit right in, since patties are already dead animals. Pitty on you.. he didn't need a taser, he needed a translator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.250.171.218 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

tazers
U haven‘t seen Charlotte NC or read news2004! Very pre-meditated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.54.86.218 (talk • contribs)

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Cyclone Sidr kills hundreds in Bangladesh

November 16, 2007 Powerful battered Bangladesh, killing hundreds of people, though reports vary. Citing the local United News of Bangladesh, the Associated Press is reporting a death toll of 1,100.

An evacuation of some 3 million was attempted before the storm made landfall. Anjana Pasricha reported from for  that, officials say advance preparation saved many lives, in a country accustomed to natural disasters.

Officials say the cyclone crashed into the country's southern coast Thursday night with winds of up to 240 kilometers an hour, triggering huge waves.

Many villages were devastated as the winds uprooted trees and flattened homes. Torrential rain and waves washed away crops. Officials say many of the victims were killed by falling trees or debris from collapsing homes.

Shail Shrestha, program coordinator for the in Dhaka, said preliminary reports indicate that the devastation is widespread.

"Phone lines are cut and communication system is very much disrupted, said Shrestha. "Agriculture products are badly damaged and livestock are also badly damaged." The worst of the storm was over by early Friday. This made it possible for government and volunteer teams to dispatch relief teams carrying food, water, medicines, and tents for the people in the affected districts.

Although the storm has caused considerable destruction, officials say a mass evacuation ordered in advance helped save many lives.

Hundreds of thousands of coastal villagers were evacuated into government-built cyclone shelters and other buildings as the storm approached.

The shelters were built after the low-lying country suffered massive casualties in previous cyclones. A storm that hit the country in 1970 killed about half a million people. Another cyclone in 1991 killed more than 130,000.

is one of the districts that lay in the path of the storm. A senior district official, Mokhlesur Rahman, says the region was spared large-scale casualties.

"We did evacuate a lot of people into different cyclone shelters, some in educational institutions," said Rahman. "It was of much help, evacuation…. Now they are going back home."

India's east coast was also bracing for the cyclone, but so far it has escaped the storm's fury. Authorities reported that several areas were hit by heavy rain, but there was little damage.


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I reverted your statement on WN:AAA. Please rephrase and explain how this Fire in Tema, Ghana threatening oil refinery article relates to a 419 scam. --SVTCobra 16:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world, isn't it? Talk about a horrible double whammy. Fephisto 16:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly enough, we have a number of contributors from Bangladesh. The Bengali Wikisource, for instance, just opened and already it's almost got 1,000 pages.  My thoughts are going out to those contributors doing this time.  Cary Bass 22:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Already more people have been killed by this Cyclone than by Hurricane Katrina. However the media does not reflect this. If only Bangladeshi lives were deemed as worth as much as American ones.

Unbelievable
I was about three years old when the 1991 Bangladesh Cyclone occured, so I can't recall those memories. But now, I'm horrified to see the effect of Sidr. I live in Dhaka, which is obviously very far from coastal areas and the center of the cyclone didn't even come closer to Dhaka. Yet, many trees are uprooted in Dhaka University, Shangsad Bhaban and in other areas. More than 2000 people are dead and we're still very lucky because the cyclone entered from a place which is protected by Sunderbans and it absorbed most of it's strength. Had the cyclone been came through from places like Chittagong which does not have any protections, it would have been deadlier. We just had to overcome from one of the worst flooding this year and now the cyclone. Please pray for us to overcome this great loss. Regards to all. --Tarif Ezaz 04:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


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Indonesian air industry signs safety deal ahead of EU ban review

November 16, 2007

45 of Indonesia's 51 air carriers as well as some airport management companies signed a safety deal with the Indonesian government yesterday. The deal will be delivered to the European Commission ahead of a November 19 meeting in Brussels to review the placement of all 51 of Indonesia's airlines on the list of air carriers banned in the EU in June after a string of aviation accidents earlier in the year. Indonesia is already planning to give a presentation on air safety improvements at the meeting. Under the deal, the airlines have promised to increase supervision of security and safety issues, while the government pledged to increase numbers and abilities of regulation staff. The deal comes a week after EU inspectors suggested that the airlines would benefit from increased safety standards and larger numbers of more highly trained management staff. Ultimately, the deal is intended to bring Indonesia fully up to the standards set down by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

This is a part of a serious effort by the operators and regulators to improve our aviation safety and meet international standards," Transport Minister Djusman Syafii Djamal told Radio Elshinta of Jakarta after the ceremonial signing of the document, adding hopes that the deal would cause the removal of the EU ban.

The deal was arranged by the National Team for Transportation Safety and Security, which was set up to investigate Indonesia's failing transportation infrastructure, particularly the aviation sector.

The six-man group was chaired by Marshal Chappy Hakim, a retired Air Force chief of staff. He told reporters that he felt "We need to work hard to prove we can meet international standards, and that starts with this declaration,"

The ban was orriginally placed after three accidents involving Indonesian airliners - the New Year's Day crash of Adam Air Flight 574, which killed 102 people, the subsequent accident involving Adam Air Flight 172, which cracked in half on a hard landing but held together, preventing serious injury, and the March crash of state-run Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, which claimed 23 lives. All the accidents involved aging Boeing 737 aircraft.

Indonesia has also since been the subject of regulatory action by the United States Federal Aviation Administration, who warned US citizens wishing to travel to use alternatives to Indonesian air carriers.

Despite originally threatening a retaliatory ban on European airlines in Indonesian airspace, Indonesia quickly admitted to a poor safety record. Indonesia has since been taking steps recently to improve it's air safety, having already started ranking airlines on safety and signing a deal with the ICAO to set up an independent regulatory body and improve Air Traffic Control operations. Earlier this year, Indonesia shut down several airlines that it viewed as not meeting safety standards. A team from the European Aviation Security Agency has inspected Indonesian airports and interviewed the managers of Garuda Indonesia, Mandala Airlines and Air Fast to gauge how far safety has improved.

The ICAO will evaluate Indonesia's progress in late 2008.


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Talk:Video of man tasered at Vancouver airport released

Re: "being tasered to death" in the first sentence. The facts are that he was "tasered" and a short time later he died. The cause of death has not yet been determined by autopsy. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say he was "tasered to death". --Quadrastreet 20:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Although the chances of him having a completely unrelated heart attack right after are so small, I dont think they are going to say it wasnt the tasers that killed him. Matt/TheFearow | userpage|contribs 21:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Put it this way - if I hit someone around the head with a baseball bat and they then die of a brain trauma, saying "they died of brain trauma" is correct but in fact misleading. Likewise, Dziekanski would be alive if he had not been tasered.  He was killed by tasering, just as my example would have died from being hit with a baseball bat.  Toby Douglass 23:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Aside from the media hype surrounding this case and others, there seems to be a scientific consensus that tasers are nasty, painful things... but they don't kill you. Have a look at this CBC article posted today: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/11/16/ot-taser-071116.html?ref=rss --Quadrastreet 00:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have made the edit. If the coroner's report says that the taser caused his death, the article can be changed.  There is nothing at this time to suggest that the taser, as opposed to (for example) positional asphyxia or a hypothetical blow to the head when he fell, caused the death. As an aside, if the death was caused by positional asphyxia, he would NOT necessarily be alive if he hadn't been tasered - he could have been put in the chosen arrest position with the assistance of a chemical spray or just been overpowered into it.  Also, did I miss something about the heart attack?  There doesn't seem to be a mention of it in the article. StockGear 00:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * StockGear, that was a good edit and follows WN:NPOV (and removing that "best airport" reference as it was totally irrelevant was also wise). But, the autopsy might take days and this article should not be updated at that time. When the autopsy comes out a new article should be written. This is not Wikipedia. --SVTCobra 00:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * There is very little said about the actual cause of death in any of the news articles or news commentaries being published in the last couple of days... it's mostly assumed that he was "tasered to death". Very non-NPOV articles in the main stream press.  The initial autopsies seem to be unable to determine the cause of death.  As far as I know, there doesn't seem to be any way to detect if tasering was an actual cause of death in the very few cases.  There have been, from what I've read, 17 "deaths after tasering" in Canada since 2003... which is actually quite a small number (less than 0.1%?)  If tasers were actually causing deaths, wouldn't the death rate be much higher? --Quadrastreet 00:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


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Hello. Please note Wikinews is for news, not for articles on cities. Perhaps you're looking for wikipedia. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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This should probably be updated to play inline. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * done i think --Mark Talk to me 23:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * no probs, glad to do something that works!! ;-) --Mark Talk to me 23:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * Registered account. --Mortal 14:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Oral Roberts calls 'emergency meeting'

November 17, 2007

, founder and former, called an "emergency meeting" to reinstate as president of Oral Roberts University. Richard stepped down last month when he was accused of illegal political contributions, financial wrong-doing, and wrongful firings in a lawsuit.

On Wednesday Oral called an 'emergency meeting' for the faculty following the previous "no confidence" vote. At the recent meeting Oral asked for the faculty who were willing to forgive and start fresh to "stand up." Donald Vance, a professor of Bible studies, said that when no one person at the meeting stood, Oral Roberts asked one of them, "'Are you not ready to start over?'"

Vance reported, "The faculty member said, "I don't know what that means, to start over."

"'I would think that would be obvious,'" Oral Roberts responded.

After that, Vance stated "No, Chancellor Roberts, it's not clear, are you asking us to rescind our three motions?" Then Oral Roberts said that the faculty should drop it.

Following the meeting Provost Mark Lewandoswki wrote a letter to ORU Board of Regents promising to step down if Richard Roberts returns as president. Tulsa World reported that the atompshere at ORU is "divise" noting that when Regent chairman, took his position in May he said in an address to the board: "I am standing here today because the Lord clearly spoke to me and said, ‘Do whatever Richard Roberts asks you to do.'"

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UN's Third Commission passes resolution condemning capital punishment

November 17, 2007 Yesterday, the United Nations 's Third Commission passed resolution L29 against ; the project was presented by New Zealand and Brazil, and was defended vigorously by Italy. With 99 votes in favor, 52 against and 33 abstentions, the necessary majority was met, needed in order to pass the resolution.

Italy had proposed a resolution against capital punishments several times – in 1994, 1999, and in 2003 – but had been denied in all cases. , Italian Minister of State and Vicepresident of the Council, did not hold and expressed his content towards the result:

The Third Commission's vote constitutes a decisive step towards the definitive adoption of the resolution by the Plenary General Assembly, that would have to happen by the month of December. Italy confirms to be at the forefront regarding protection of human rights. The fight against capital punishment at an international level is one of the priorities in foreign policy, that attracts the government, institutions, political-parliamentary forces, and non-governmental organizations in a campaign [...] and we are convinced that it has produced a first relevant result.


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If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cheers, FrankEldonDixon, Kingston, Canada, 17:39 p.m., November 16, 2007, GMT +5 FrankEldonDixon 22:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Brian Mulroney, former Canadian Prime Minister]] 1984-1993, could potentially face criminal charges, resulting from new information in the ongoing Airbus affair and over his dealings with German-Canadian dealmaker Karlheinz Schreiber. Mulroney sued the Canadian government and won a $2.1 million judgment in 1997, but events and revelations since have shown that he was less than truthful dealing with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and with courtroom matters there. Mulroney did not tell the RCMP or the court that he had received $300,000 in cash payments from Schreiber in 1993-1994, shortly after he left office. Had this information been available at the time, it would likely have had a decisive effect on the outcome. So, this is possibly 'obstruction of justice' and 'perjury', both of which are indictable offenses under Canadian law. If this is the case, then the obtained judgment could also be a 'fraud' offense, which is also indictable. He may have to repay that money (plus interest), and also could be on the hook for court costs, which were large, for bringing a fraudulent lawsuit. Not only could he be facing potential jail sentences of several years, but as a practicing Canadian lawyer, being convicted of an indictable offense could mean that he would almost certainly be disbarred from practicing law. This is a new angle on the case, one I have not seen covered in any other media sources.

 * What can I say? That's not the way to post a collaboration? Well, it isn't. I have given you some links that will hopefully answer you questions. Otherwise, you know how to find me. --SVTCobra 04:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Brian Mulroney and the Airbus affair
OK, I have been regularly updating the wiki pages on Karlheinz Schreiber, the Airbus affair, and Brian Mulroney for more than a month, and have also added new pages for authors on these people, such as William Kaplan and L. Ian MacDonald. I also improved pages on people such as Gerald Doucet, Fred Doucet, Frank Moores, Francis Fox, Stevie Cameron, Elmer MacKay, Peter MacKay, Franz Josef Strauss, Joe Clark, David Lloyd Johnston, and others. There is much more work to do on new articles on other figures in the case, such as Michel Cogger and Roger Nantel, for whom there are currently no articles. There has been a public inquiry called by Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and Schreiber has been appearing before the Canadian House of Commons Ethics Committee for the past two weeks, with some pretty incredible testimony, which has been front-page news in Canada and also getting high billing on tv and radio newscasts. The story is already very big, and is about to get enormous, as Brian Mulroney, Canadian Prime Minister from 1984-1993, is set to appear tomorrow in front of the Ethics Committee; this is apparently the first time that a former Canadian PM has been called before Parliament to answer on scandal charges. The case has been in the public forum for 20 years. The accusations against Mulroney are very serious, and there are potential criminal charges against him and others, an overturning of Mulroney's libel judgement, and other unforseen possibilities.

So, I think this is worthy of increased visibility, and yet I don't feel qualified myself to take this on, at least not on my own. The case is extraordinarily complex, not a good omen for a first-time contributor for wikinews.

FrankEldonDixonFrankEldonDixon 1912, 12 December 2007 (UTC) FrankEldonDixon 00:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, I got your message. It does seem that some major testimony will take place tomorrow (well today UTC). I will set up a developing article with a few background sources. I will link it to you here, so you know where to contribute. Be sure to add sources for the information that you add. Cheers, link to follow in a bit. --SVTCobra 01:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Take a look at Brian Mulroney testifies before House of Commons in Canada and see if that is something you can work with. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Comments:UN's "Third Commission" passes resolution condemning capital punishment

It is true, that it is wrong to murder even murderers and rapists in the name of justice. But surely then it is also true that it is wrong to murder the poor and the sick and even the confused, insane, or indolent in the name of economic policy. If society can see a rationale to maintain a murderer and guards for him at the public expense for the rest of his life in the name of mercy, some day we should envision a guarantee of humane conditions even for the most impoverished among us, before they turn to crimes of desperation. 70.15.116.59 02:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Who says it is true? I mean besides the UN and other such organizations? If you want to dig deep it has been part of human nature. Maybe it is just an inflated sense of "being above that" that spurs this type of resolution. --SVTCobra 04:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Who says it's true? Most of the member nations of the UN, apparently, and nearly every "First World" country, the Pope, and most importantly, me. ;)  And if you want to dig deep rape is a part of human nature also but what does that mean?  And even if killing is excusable for human beings, who need to face split second decisions to defend their lives or perhaps encounter passions that no one can be expected to hold up against, that does not mean it is excusable for systems of justice which are supposed to represent fundamental principles of slow and rational deliberation.  I say that in the last ages of the world, one is in all truth entitled to cherries without stones, war without fighting, production without workers, poverty without want, and justice without cruelty. 70.15.116.59 06:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Great Now murders and rapist can sit in jail and use up all our tax payer money.

The third commision isn't the general assembly.

It is stuff like this that makes the UN seem so 'out of touch'. Murder should carry the death penalty (according to fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims), and UN resolutions in conflict with the 'national law' om matters of crime and punishment are likely to be ignored at best, - ridiculed and used to support an 'opt out' plan is more likely.

Note: above comments were moved to an unreferenced page, so I've restored them here. 70.15.116.59 06:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * IMHO If we listened to everything the fundamentalists said, we'd be in a lot of trouble. Personally I don't like Capital punishment, and I'm glad Canada abolished it. However I don't really think this is the UN's place to answer this question, as long as the people being executed got a fair trial and so on. Bawolff ☺☻ 07:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


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Australia defeat Nigeria in international football (soccer) friendly

November 18, 2007 Australia has defeated Nigeria 1-0 in a football (soccer) international friendly yesterday (UTC). The match was played at Craven Cottage in England, home of Fulham Football Club, for logistical reasons as a majority of the players are based in Europe.

The only goal of the match was scored by David Carney in the 52nd minute, playing in left midfield for the Socceroos. He scored the goal from around 30 metres out, curling the ball away from the Nigerian goalkeeper Dele Aiyenuga and into the left hand side of the net.

Carney currently plays for Sheffield United in the Football League Championship. He previously played for Sydney FC in the Australian A-League competition, but transferred to Sheffield United earlier this year.

Both teams had chances throughout the match, mainly in the first half. Nigerian goalkeeper Aiyenuga saved four shots on target in the first half, from Harry Kewell, Nick Carle, Brett Emerton and Scott McDonald.

Nigeria's best chance of the game was also in the first half. Ayo Makinwa's shot from ten metres out deflected off a defender, wrong-footing Australian goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer. However, Schwarzer managed to scramble and adjust his body positioning to parry the ball with one hand onto the crossbar and away from danger. Schwarzer also saved a shot on goal by Osaze Odemwingie, diving down to his left.

The match served as a warm-up for the Australian team before their campaign to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa. This will be the first time the Australian national team has attempted to qualify for the World Cup through the Asian Football Confederation, having moved from the Oceania Football Confederation at the start of 2006 after qualifying for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.


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Jokela High School reopens after deadly multiple shooting

November 17, 2007 Jokela High School in Tuusula, Finland, scene of the Jokela school shooting, has recommenced classes. Earlier this month, student Pekka-Eric Auvinen, 18, fatally wounded eight people with his handgun before turning the weapon on himself in the country's worst ever school shooting. He died later in hospital, having never regained consciousness.

All last week repair teams have been working to eradicate all traces of the event, with large numbers of bullet holes in walls and doors being filled in, broken windows and torn blinds being replaced, and total renovation of one corridor which Auvinen had attempted to set fire to.

Students had previously been permitted into the school last week, in order to collect belongings left behind as they rushed to evacuate the school. On Monday, the school's 450 pupils began to attend temporary facilities set up at nearby Tuusula Primary School as well as the local church. Tuusula spokeswoman Heidi Hagman told reporters yesterday that at first school days would be considerably shortened, adding "Today the students will spend time getting used to the renovated and repaired school area.

"Students and teachers are getting support from Red Cross crisis workers and psychologists during the first days of school."

Esa Ukkola, head of education in Tuusula, spoke to reporters about the fact that students had been shown around the renovated school. "We need to show there is nobody lurking in the cupboards any more. We're trying to have as normal a school day as possible. There are dozens of extra people to ensure we can do everything in small enough groups."

The shooting has prompted public anger in Finland at the media attention directed to it, with a feeling that it undermines the placid reputation of the country. People have questioned the decision of a survey last month to designate Finland as the world's "most livable country". Psycho-social service manager Anna Cantell-Forsbom from nearby Vantaa has spoken out about her view that the shooting was mainly caused by a lack of psychiatric care available to the Finnish youth and therefore did not reflect on Finnish society. The shooting has also prompted a move by the Finnish government to raise the legal age for gun ownership from 15 years to 18 years.

Finland is expected to set up a commission of inquiry this week to investigate the murders. The government will set aside resources for the ministry of social affairs, health and education as well as the local municipality for the investigation. Meanwhile, local authorities have shown a four-year response plan to the government, asking for five million Euro to fund it. Half will go towards therapy and occupational guidance for affected residents, while the other half would go to school guidance counsellors, psychologists, school healthcare personnel and other experts. The ultimate goal of the plan is the complete recovery of those adversely affected by the shooting.


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Comments:Thousands of Monks in Burma to be imprisoned; Thousands more reported dead

It is time for the world to stand together against abuse of power
Pathetic is the word that comes to mind when I think of the world government's response to the ongoing suffering of the Burmese people to the current dictatorship (who the world leaders know are corrupt).

We the world are complicit in the brutality and the murders. Sure, watch your sport and eat your chips and drink your beer and feel comfortable, (add your own addictions here). Sure, be ignorant of what is going on around you. Just remember ignorance is not an excuse / defence against the charges!

If it wasn't for people like the AVAAZ group (do a web search) and existing Burmese support groups very little would be known about the suffering. If it was for the mass media the sufering in Burma doesn't even exist.

We can wake up. We can choose to make a difference - and yes every little bit counts. Be committed. Take action.

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Two airliners come within seconds of collision over Indiana, US

November 17, 2007

A midair collision has been narrowly averted between two commercial airliners over Indiana, United States. A Midwest Airlines plane carrying 24 people and a United Express aircraft carrying 31 people came within 600 vertical feet and 1.3 horizontal miles apart.

The eastbound Midwest Airlines jet was accidentally directed to descend into the direct path of the westbound United Express flight. The mistake was made after an air traffic controller erroneously removed the latter aircraft's identification aircraft tag in preparation to handing off the aircraft to the air traffic control centre for a neighbouring sector of airspace.

The Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) installed in the cockpits of both aircraft sounded emergency warnings advising the pilots to take evasive action. The Midwest Airlines plane promptly pulled up out of danger. Had TCAS not activated, it is believed the jets would have struck each other. "If they didn't suddenly climb, there would have been a convergence," said Midwest spokeswoman Carol Skornicka.

Had the aircraft struck each other, they would have been traveling at a combined speed of about 700 m.p.h. Airspeed would normally be higher, but congestion around O'Hare International Airport had slowed things down. The incident occurred at the end of a rush period, during a change in shift at the control centre.

Jeffrey Richards, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, told reporters that pilots had mentioned three times in the course of the flight how close aircraft were coming, quoting them as saying to air traffic control on one occasion "Center, you really lined us up on that last clearance."

Near air misses are classified on a scale of D to A by the Federal Aviation Authority, A being the most serious. The incident was classed as a B, the third incident of such severity in just six weeks caused by mistakes at Chicago Centre. The minimum permitted distance for aircraft traveling at an altitude of 25,000 feet, as these two were, is five horizontal miles and 1,000 vertical feet.

Richards said that on the night of the incident controllers at Chicago Centre had been working close to the two hour working limit between rest breaks. "These controllers are fatigued from working such long stints and very few breaks compared to just three years ago," said Richards, who added that this was particularly true of the 26-year-old veteran who made the mistake. "Each of his sessions were right up to the two-hour limit," Richards said, adding that he was nearing the end of his shift and had returned from a break just minutes before the near-collision.

Richards said that at the time the building contained a staff of 11 controllers, five trainees and one supervisor, which is one supervisor and one controller lower than usual. He went on to say that before a retirement wave, 17 controllers monitored the airspace. He says this is a part of a larger issue whereby retirements are exhausting the supply of skilled operators, in what he describes as "a systemic problem,".

This latest incident raises important safety issues at Chicago Centre, which is currently undergoing a dispute between the controllers union and management over how many controllers are adequate to run the centre. The site is soon to have to handle large quantities of traffic as an annual holiday season starts. However, the FAA says that it currently has no issues with staffing at the facility, although Richards contends that low levels of staff and increasing workloads have long been a worrying factor at the facility.

Skornicka said of the incident that it was "part of a bigger debate taking place," and that she felt "this is just one situation that highlights the need for modernization and overhaul of the air traffic control system."


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Euro 2008 Qualification: Israel vs. Russia

November 17, 2007

Russia's qualification for Euro 2008 hit a snag after losing 2-1 to Israel today. Russia's loss gives England a chance to qualify for Euro 2008 on Wednesday.

Israel took a lead after 10 minutes. Russia equalized with a half hour left. Israel won the game in stoppage time.

Croatia, England and Russia are set to battle for 2 places for Euro 2008 on Wednesday as qualification for next summer's tournament comes to an end on Wednesday. Croatia and England will battle each other as Russia will face Andorra.


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Comments:American politician Augustus F. Hawkins dies at 100

Six Questions You Would Your Favorite Author
I`m sorry I know good and well,I should be asking this question over at the Wikipedia Reference Desk, But this question has just been biting at my ass [Sorry for my language], If you could ask six questions to your favorite author what would they be.