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User talk:Dendodge

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Please don't do that. — μchip08 00:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Dendodge!
Please please please PLEASE review the 'slavery' article ASAP, it's about to become stale, and the topic is kinda interesting IMO, it purely consists of direct translation of quotes, etc. It might be easy to review using Google Translater Thank you! :| アンパロ Io ti odio! 19:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:N
Are you nutz? How do you expect someone non-tech-literate to use n?

Sure, it'll format per SG - maybe - but, the less markup newbies have to learn, the better. Just look at some of the disasters from Prof. Blackall's final year students. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying people have to use it. I just think it might be useful when dealing with certain large numbers - of course, it's purely voluntary. Besides 1000 is hardly complex. But, yeah, it's mainly for us oldies, if we want to, to help us to differentiate between different kinds of billion. It's far less complex than using the tags raw. DEN  DODGE  17:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll bet it breaks MakeLead. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 18:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I mainly made the template out of boredom. If Bawolff makes it work with MakeLead, that would be nice, if not it doesn't really matter. It was just something to do, and I think it might have some use some day. DEN  DODGE  18:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I would recommend finding a better name for it. It seems neither primordial enough, nor obvious enough in its function, for a one-letter name.  Imho.

 * Cf. km to mi and mi to km. --Pi zero (talk) 18:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just figured it would save typing to give it a one letter name, if it's to be used (eventually) for most of the numbers in our articles. However, I do see your point - feel free to rename it to whatever you like. (I suggest N ON WHEELS!) DEN  DODGE  18:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol.
 * I used the lower-volume n on wheels. I did relativize the documentation, though, so from here on out it should take moves in stride :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's going to need a proper name before it ever gets used, though :P DEN  DODGE  19:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking of writing number to words that converts an integer to verbal form. Using that, number could be made to work when missing its second parameter; actually, I'm not sure the second parameter wouldn't disappear in a puff of logic. --Pi zero (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can make that work, that would be very cool. Alternatively, the two could be merged - there's a lot of overlap there. DEN  DODGE  21:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, although I could make it work, I shouldn't. Brianmc said it earlier: we shouldn't create templates that people will want to use in article text unless MakeLead can be made to not break on them.  MakeLead was taught to handle w by just replacing the template call with its last parameter — but that doesn't always work with number, and would be even worse if we soup up number using number to words.

 * Oh well. --Pi zero (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't people just, I don't know, check the text of the lead before clicking "save"? Personally, I'm not a big fan of using the start of the article as the lead, anyway - where are people's imaginations? DEN  DODGE  22:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

using js
I see you are using UserMessages gadget, I enabled it but don't see any new interface (using Vector theme). Is there a guide or place you can refer me to, other than its source? --Gryllida 05:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I just tried it in Vector, and it doesn't work there for me either.  I use Monobook, and when I look at a user talk page there's a whole extra menu at the bottom of the left column, below "toolbox", called "notify".  But not in Vector  --Pi zero (talk) 06:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I get it in the toolbox in Modern. If I recall correctly, in Vector it adds an additional drop-down next to the tabs at the top of the page. There should be two arrows. DEN  DODGE  16:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Thank you for welcoming me. That was very kind of you. -- Petru Dimitriu (talk) 16:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Section Title
oh dear water cooler. Anyone have a way to WRITE as in pen and paper to both Willie Nelson and BobDylan?? Have message. Could make great story.
 * I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your question. We don't have addresses for either of those people, if that's what you're asking - you would be better off approaching their agents. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  15:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

100,000
Uh, how can i sleep tonight knowing about having made such a mistake! But look that!: So, i maybe sleep well... ^^ --Itu (talk) 21:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * with Comma: 3.690 hits
 * with out space: 3.230 hits
 * I think some news organisations allow the adding of commas and stuff to comply with their own style guides, but I tend towards complete accuracy even about the little things like that. It's hardly a big thing, but it's best to be as true to the original as possible :) DEN  DODGE  George Watson  22:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Update: today i see 10.900 with comma, 3.550 with space, 9.890 close. --Itu (talk) 12:36, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Apology
Your broadcast reporting notes were good. Weirdly, I have this distant memory of having known that earlier, and somehow managed to lose track of it. Maybe I was distracted by worrying about the bad atmosphere created by Mattisse's comments... which would be pretty ironic, since I ended up making it worse. Anyway, whatever the circumstances, I screwed up, and I apologize. --Pi zero (talk) 03:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Apology to you
I deeply apologize for my comment of "piss poor" and sorry that one comment can cause such a commotion on wikinews. It was not meant a personal attack, but as I have had my competencies derided and been called "stupid" etc. on wikinews, I know it feels very bad and I am so very sorry.

As far as Norwegian speakers to over see machine translations, there are plenty on the other sister sites who are willing to oversee a translation. On wikipeida all translations, even those not machine done, must be verified by another speaker. Also, if you go to a Norwegian sister site, there is always someone willing to verify the translation. I have used this method myself.

I am sorry for all the anguished I caused you. I hope my apology helps you understand I regret my actions. I know I would have felt better if I had received an apology for the abusive comments made about me.

Best wishes, Mattisse (talk) 13:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I didn't really take offence to anyone in particular, and probably overreacted to the whole thing. You do raise some valid points. However, the only phrases taken from the source were "Nazi" and "hate ideology", one of which is the same in both languages, and the other of which is both very similar and short enough that a machine translation is not unreliable. Had I been taking an entire sentence, I would, of course, have consulted a native speaker.
 * Anyway, I accept your apology, and did not mean to make you feel responsible for anything. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  13:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your graciousness. I felt horrible because of the "the bad atmosphere created by Mattisse's comments" above. I guess I cracked wikinews! I wish others could be so generous. Regards, Mattisse (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I apologize as well. It seems I was mistaken about what constitutes original reporting.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Statistics
"of whom 220 (0.08%) are active. 60 users are administrators, making up 0.02% of the total user base. There are more reviewers, as these 150 users make up 0.05% of the total number of registered."

I'm not good with math, but doesn't that mean that for every 3.7 active editors there is 1 admin (probably more like for every 2 active editors as some of those admin also presumably are an "active" editor themselves? And for every 1.5 active editors there is 1 reviewer (or more, since some number of reviewers also actively edit? Are my numbers way off? Mattisse (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's pretty much right. There's probably a lot of overlap, but that's a decent high-end estimate. What it says about Wikinews is obviously up to interpretation. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  16:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 * I think it says that there are about one to three of us who write numerous articles and who aren't an admin or a reviewer. No wonder we get no respect, eh?  Mattisse (talk) 18:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You'd probably pass a request for the reviewer right if you ran. Your time here hasn't exactly been free of controversy, and sometimes you come across the wrong way, but neither of those things will necessarily prevent you from passing. If you want it, that is. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  19:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 * It's my understanding there are lots of inactive users with the admin and/or reviewer bit. --Pi zero (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that is apparently Ok here. They can run for Arbcom though. It makes a nice fit since Arbocm apparently doesn't do anything. (I can't find a single arbcom case. I guess they are kept hidden.)

 * {respnse to Dendodge, as I was caught in an edit conflict) I wouldn't dare run. The fact that I used "piss poor" means that people are "worrying about the bad atmosphere created by Mattisse's comments" means otherwise. I think wikinews has lost its one editor that actually produces articles that isn't an admin or reviewer. I really have to reevaluate whether contributing to this site is worth the ugliness. It seems expressing honesty and trying to improve the standards here mark an editor as a trouble maker. I notice most of the editors that have left have tried to improve wikinews. Of course, most reviewers don't review, just as most admins don't seem to write articles. But they are great candidates for Arbcom! I feel like a fool for having hope for so long. Excuse my rant, it's just that there is no way to be honest on this site. And I don't mean hurting others, but any critcism means someone will take it to mean "the bad atmosphere created by Mattisse's comments". Again I apologize for the "piss poor" comment. But since it created such a bad atmosphere on the site, I am not encouraged. Or was it that I had questions about the (apparently nonexistent) OR policy? Another bad on my part. To hell I go!  Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 19:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I overreacted, and contributed to the bad atmosphere as much as - or more than - you did. I don't write or review very often because, between my education and my personal life, I just don't have time. It is something I regret, and over the next month or so I hope to be significantly more active (thanks to the summer). Everyone has their own little excuses, but my point is that there aren't very many of us, and the ones there are aren't very active, so losing another editor isn't what the project needs. And while I may not agree with the way you say it, I do actually agree with you on some things, and certainly agree that the project needs to change dramatically if it is to grow to reach its full potential. Don't let yourself be discouraged. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  19:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My kind of article isn't wanted here. I was told right off the bat that any article that had more than two sources would have a hard time getting reviewed. I'm not interested in going for the headline grabbers. I would rather pull together many sources into a coheret article. That's not what is wanted here, although I am appreciative for the reader comments to the contrary. No one seems to have time here, and I certainly have other things to do than contribute here when my contributions are completely unappreciated and, rather, I am put down for "complicating" things. I would be a fool to continue putting the effort into writing articles when that is not what is wanted. I am not a good fit here. I am a journalist. I want to write substance for greater understanding, pulling together multiple sources, and I have been told that is not wanted here. Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Excess bolding
Thank you for your feedback. I learn everyday and welcome feedback; no body is perfect. When one feels passionate about an issue flow of thoughts need to be shared. Point noted. Thanks
 * The words should stand for themselves. Excess bolding gives undue weight to one person's comments, and looks ugly to boot. It's not something terrible, but it's best to avoid it so people's eyes don't hurt. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  09:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for reviewing David Cameron responds to rioting, promises changes on policing! —Tom Morris (talk) 14:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! That kind of article is one of the reasons we need some kind of inline citation system... DEN  DODGE  George Watson  14:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * On articles with many sources, I think a note from the author on the talk page, explaining broadly which information comes from where, could often be immensely helpful for review. Perhaps we should put that suggestion somewhere, for authors to see; any thoughts on where to put it?  --Pi zero (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yay, jumping onto Den's talkpage. I'm thinking WN:CS is a good place to mention it. Hints, tips and tricks may be worth creating to pile misc. advice into. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Japan to use reusable energy
Apparently we were both working on renaming the article at the same time, but renamed it slightly differently, with the result that the original title was a double redirect without either of us being warned of such; it took me some moments to figure out what had happened.

Are you going to review the article? I was preparing to try to convince myself I'd have time to... --Pi zero (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, I'm just copyediting the review queue. If they haven't been reviewed later, I'll give a couple of them a shot, but that will be in at least a couple of hours, and I won't be able to do them all. So go do it now :P DEN  DODGE  George Watson  12:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the tip, I am sending the email to scoop@wikinewsie.org. --Teemeah (talk) 14:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Cambodia shuts down leading newspapers
I did it again, didn't I — reviewed an article that someone else was copyediting. Sorry about that. --Pi zero (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's fine. I was just about to start the review, and you've saved me a job. I'll move on to the next one in the review queue now. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  13:19, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

HYS question templates
These go pretty much wherever you like.

It's just the standard no-question one goes at the bottom. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. I deleted the standard one, and I don't think I'm supposed to, but it looked ugly and seemed redundant. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  15:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There should be only one. Just that if that one is no-question, it should go at the bottom.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Cookie!!!
Having one right this very second! Thanks!!! Bddpaux (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way....I've requested accreditation as a Wikinews reporter.....would you mind looking at my application over at Accrd. Requests? I'd be highly thankful.Bddpaux (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Crazy Italians
I'm pretty dumbstruck by the itWP thing too. your remarks in IRC were highlighted to me, so maybe get a chance to discuss them sometime.

I think the Foundation's hands are tied; this actually shows that NPOV may be a principle, but without surrendering their "no editorial liability", they can't enforce it on a determined, and united, community. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly, without NPOV, I might as well be a Daily Fail hack. The NPOV policy is what made us different, and the WMF evidently no longer values it. I wonder if they would take the same position if we were to redirect every page here to an editorial on the evils of the Tory government...
 * That isn't to say I won't return - I hope to, preferably soon, but the WMF will have to either admit that it was in error or otherwise prove that it still values NPOV first. I'll still hang around in IRC, though - I have friends there, and I still wish the project all the best - so you can contact me just as easily as before. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  16:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I'll note there's nothing new in Wikinews holding strong values that wmf wouldn't back us on — that's one of the reasons we have trouble getting respect in journalistic circles, that our parent organization has no problem with Wikipedia, which, whatever its merits, simply does not possess the qualities to be taken seriously in those circles.

 * But I take your action to be in part a form of public protest against wmf; perhaps I was reading too much into your actions, but I thought that might be why you requested privs removal at meta rather than here. I likely owe you an apology for this (should have asked your permission first), but, figuring the gesture ought to be given publicity, to maximize whatever good it might do, I took the liberty of dropping a mention of your resignation on the foundation blog.  --Pi zero (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That was part of it, but mainly I didn't want to cause too much disruption here - Wikinews itself has nothing to do with my decision, and I want to try and contain discussion here to my userpage. It was perfectly fine of you to mention me on the Foundation blog, though. I know Wikinews still upholds NPOV itself, but when our parent organisation has forsaken that policy, I wouldn't feel right putting my name to it. I have no problem with them having an official position on the issue, but blocking all useful content on a wiki for political reasons just isn't right, to me. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  17:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh! Good thinking; thanks! :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm reminded of something else ... Fundraising banners. The extent to which we were leant on not to touch them was, shall we say, 'impressive'.
 * In any case, it should be the case that getting mop 'n' bucket (even the extra large one for 'crats with the lever-operated troll squisher) is on the understanding you will uphold NPOV as the core, non-negotiable, Foundation philosophy. The foundation has always claimed to operate "above politics", or at least to keep outside the political sphere. Any credibility should one single future claim be made to such ethical superiority will be dismissed and viewed as fiction.
 * Sue and Jimmy must've been watching some Marx Brothers films: "These are my principles. If you don't like them, well... I have others." --Brian McNeil / talk 18:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Look, the NPOV policy is about making sure statements within articles are neutral. But it is foolish for Wikipedia to not protest against legislation which would directly harm Wikipedia The Italian law would make it much more difficult to operate the Italian Wikipedia It would be one thing if Wikipedia began protesting against polar bears or begged Iran to free hikers But in this case I think it's justified WhisperToMe (talk) 14:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Within articles. Every article on the site was redirected to a decidedly non-neutral page, so - in effect - the content of those articles was non-neutral. Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck how noble the cause is, Wikipedia should be neutral. To invoke Godwin's Law, Adolf Hitler does not begin with "Adolf Hitler was a corrupt leader responsible for the murder of six million innocent Jews"; it begins by saying that he was a German politician, the leader of the Nazi party, and the chancellor of Germany. People are left to make up their own minds based on the neutrally-worded content of the article... when they ask for it.
 * The Italian Wikipedia should, of course, have had an article on the Wiretap Act, but it should have given the facts - and sourced opinions - and left the reader to make up their own mind about it. It should also have let them have access to this article when they asked for it. If I want to know about ponies, I probably won't be too happy about being redirected to a page about how nasty Hitler is, no matter how much I agree.
 * Wikipedia articles should be neutral. The Italian Wikipedia effectively vandalised itself in a major way - it replaced all useful content with political opinion. Telling people who ask for information about ponies what to think about something entirely unrelated is not Wikipedia's mission; nor is it neutral, and it should not occur on a Wikimedia site. It's just wrong, and I will never agree with it.
 * Yes, I understand that the Wiretap Act is an awful thing. I understand that Italian Wikipedians want to do something. I just think they did it in the wrong way, and that the Foundation was wrong to condone this. I would not have opposed Wikimedia IT taking a stance. I would not even have particularly minded the WMF taking a stance on the bill. I wouldn't even have been overly bothered by a small, dismissable, sitenotice. But replacing all useful content on a wiki with political opinions - no matter how valid they may be - is pretty much vandalism, certainly not neutral, and not right by any means, in my opinion. And it is an opinion I stand by. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  18:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Did you read this?
Did you read this?

From October 4 to October 6, 2011 Following a decision Adopted by Volunteers of the Italian Wikipedia community, all of the site's articles Were hidden and the website was blocked by ITS administrators, as a protest Against paragraph 29 of the DDL interception (wiretapping Bill ) [8] Which Was Being debated at the time in the Chamber of Deputies of the Italian parliament. [9] The Proposed Bill Would Empower Themselves to anyone who Believes Have Been offended by the content of a web site, even if the content is true, to enforce publication of a reply in the Same Place and with equal prominence of the related content, Within 48 hours Any and without prior evaluation of the claim by a judge. If after 48 hours hadn't publied Any reply yet, the one who asked for the reply to appeal in May Eventually civil court ASSESS Which Had to request the Disputed Evaluating the content. The sanction Would Be Between 9.500 and 12.000 at the end of euros. Should the bill pass, it is thought to inflict severe Likely limitations on the "horizontal" and freedom of access to common editing That Is Wikimedia projects. This was the first time That HAD to Wikipedia blanked at the ITS content to protest. [10] [11] [12] The Wikimedia Foundation Officially supported the decision of the Italian Wikipedia to statement released by the Same Day. [9] As of 5 the October 2011 manifesto, which effectively Replaced the Italian Wikipedia, Had Been viewed approximately 8 million times. [13] on October 6,  201, the website content was restored, with a banner across the top of page Each Explaining the reason for the protest. [14] --Italo Stefano Moro (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Eww, Google Translate!) Yes, I read it. What about it? DEN  DODGE  George Watson  12:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A "political stunt", if you ask me. It is, quite simply, Campaigning journalism. That very first word clearly indicates it was a breach of neutrality. The Foundation would have been better-off completely blocking access to Wikipedia from the entire country "to protect Italian contributors". Instead, they've stepped into politics. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Your "protest" departure
Hola!

I assume you still check in here periodically, or at least have a talk modification email alert in place. And, I am hoping that you've had time to reflect on your choice to protest against the WMF doing nothing in the face of the itWP community using their language project for political protest.

There's a certain irony to what happened there. If the WMF had stepped in and reverted the changes to direct users to a page detailing the itWP community's ire at the proposed new law, they would've been riding roughshod over consensus, and actively imposing an editorial viewpoint (albeit a 'neutral' viewpoint).

That latter point is rather important, and here on enWN we've seen more than our fair share of pressure on this project's editorial stance that originated with the WMF. However, there is a vast difference between "pressure" and "enforced positioning". On that basis, I would ask you to review what happened on itWP with some hindsight; to look it as an "extreme" use of MediaWiki's sitenotice feature, and contrast the extremity of that action with the very real legal threat that anyone contributing to any WMF project from within Italy faces with the proposed legislation.

I don't want to say you're wrong in moving to TOG, but I will say it is hypocritical to continue contributing to any Wikipedia project if you feel so strongly about what happened on itWP. I do think moving to TOG as a place to contribute news is "cutting your nose off to spite your face". The Open Globe may well never get as trusted a Google News listing as Wikinews has; it will take years, if not decades, before a simple search for "Open Globe" pulls the site up in the first page of results (as-opposed to medical results for ocular trauma).

So, might you reconsider? Or are you perfectly happy that readers and contributors are tracked with Google adverts? That the reasons for the project's founding were far from noble - more petty than principled? That review is more rubber-stamp than rigorous?

They've made a pretty skin for MediaWiki, though! --Brian McNeil / talk 16:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect OG was safer pre-GNews listing. They now have the worrysome combination of low-factchecking with potentially high exposure. The potential implications of a libel case are concerning enough I'd be wary which articles I was involved in. (I must remember to bring this up with the OG communicty at some point...) Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll go through this bit by bit, because there ar various things raised that really ought to be dealt with separately: "There's a certain irony to what happened there. If the WMF had stepped in and reverted the changes to direct users to a page detailing the itWP community's ire at the proposed new law, they would've been riding roughshod over consensus, and actively imposing an editorial viewpoint (albeit a 'neutral' viewpoint)." That is true, and it is something that was raised at the time. In my opinion, the Foundation imposed an editorial viewpoint when it made NPOV a core pillar of their projects in the first place, and community consensus should not be able to override NPOV. If they want to push their opinions, they can go fork and get hosted somewhere else. "That latter point is rather important, and here on enWN we've seen more than our fair share of pressure on this project's editorial stance that originated with the WMF. However, there is a vast difference between 'pressure' and 'enforced positioning'. On that basis, I would ask you to review what happened on itWP with some hindsight; to look it as an 'extreme' use of MediaWiki's sitenotice feature, and contrast the extremity of that action with the very real legal threat that anyone contributing to any WMF project from within Italy faces with the proposed legislation." I agree that the proposed legislation was wrong, but comparing replacing every single article with diatribe to using a sitenotice is complete and utter nonsense. The itWP editors had every right to campaign against the law, but they did it in the wrong way and the WMF was wrong to back them. "I don't want to say you're wrong in moving to TOG, but I will say it is hypocritical to continue contributing to any Wikipedia project if you feel so strongly about what happened on itWP. I do think moving to TOG as a place to contribute news is 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'. The Open Globe may well never get as trusted a Google News listing as Wikinews has; it will take years, if not decades, before a simple search for 'Open Globe' pulls the site up in the first page of results (as-opposed to medical results for ocular trauma)." I haven't edited Wikipedia for a long time, since long before I retired. enWN is the only project I pay any attention to whatsoever now, but I don't contribute here except to reply to things on this page. OpenGlobe has a GNews listing, and it works well and is regularly updated; whether or not the project is trusted remains to be seen. I do agree with you that they picked a pretty crap name, but it's too late to do anything about that. "So, might you reconsider? Or are you perfectly happy that readers and contributors are tracked with Google adverts? That the reasons for the project's founding were far from noble - more petty than principled? That review is more rubber-stamp than rigorous?" What Google adverts? The ones you just made up? The project was founded because Wikinews was, and is, fundamentally flawed, and the "old guard" fails to see that. The review system is enough to weed out the crap, without making every story three days old by the time it is published. News should be new.

And, from BRS: "I suspect OG was safer pre-GNews listing. They now have the worrysome combination of low-factchecking with potentially high exposure. The potential implications of a libel case are concerning enough I'd be wary which articles I was involved in. (I must remember to bring this up with the OG communicty at some point...)" OpenGlobe has more factchecking and less exposure than Wikipedia, yet you do not raise any such concerns there. The system works well enough for Google News to trust us, and a similar system works well enough for one of the top ten websites. What makes you think OG is suddenly going to get sued?

I've tried to address what I can, but I'm somewhat distracted at the moment so I've probably given terrible responses. Sorry! DEN DODGE  George Watson  18:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "...yet you do not raise any such concerns there..." I believe I've raised similar concerns at points, though I accept that they likely were not in public fora. Nevertheless, WP can afford to have individual editors gone after as there as so many of them; and, cases will be selected more carefuly since going after a Wikipedian is bigger news. "What makes you think OG is suddenly going to get sued?" Um... Nothing. I'm confused as to where I said it would be; OG is not a legal entity as far as I am aware, which makes it a troublesome target. Individual editors are more viable. '[S]uddenly' is also problematic, I'd be surprised indeed if it happened within the next year or two (but not surprised enough I would not be being cautious myself). It's a question of considered risk; being an individual is likely enough to save you from action in a lot of cases where traditional media would be hammered.
 * To comment in Brian's direction, although I have seen discussions about generating ad revenue from OG, I do not presently see ads on the site. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The responses weren't as crap as you might think, Dendodge.
 * BRS's remark about TOG having a Google listing was news to me. The review difference, at the moment, is a "weed out the crap" versus "weed out crap, libel and copyright violation"; the fact that "Open Globe" is a registered mark and actively trading company (www.openglobe.co.uk) is seriously, seriously problematic. I've no intent whatsoever to attempt to sabotage TOG, but it would not be difficult to do so by posting obvious copyright violation from a less well-travelled source.And, advertising was present when I first looked at TOG; that it's gone suggests someone has put their hand in their pocket, much as I did for wikinewsie.org, or the administrative costs outweighed the revenue generation.
 * I suspect, in the long-term, you'll see that TOG will either suffer from the same ("I've zero interest in subject <foo> so won't review") or something fatally wrong will be published.
 * Lastly, you mis-characterise people like myself ("old guard"); I am well-aware there are problems with Wikinews' review system; but, the relaxation of that in-place on TOG is too much. You were here for Saqib/Saki, and his nonsense, but not for Neutralizer. There's no dispute the current enWN review process is too strict. What is lacking is consensus on the degree of relaxation that's appropriate.
 * If Wikinews' overly-strict review leaves us as only genuinely appropriate for academic work such as the UoW student submissions experiments, so be it. I don't have the confidence that TOG could survive re-learning some of the most painful lessons Wikinews has gone through that make it a credible source, a source as-credible as many in the mainstream – if not moreso. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OG can take some comfort on the copyright front: recent attempts to turn copyvio into major business in the US have met with massive difficulties in the court system. I suspect there will be another few comapnies come along to have a bash at it, but current models have failed and I would imagine it will be quite a few years before groups like OG's contributors are seriously at-risk on the copyright front. If they were unlucky they could theoretically be caught up in the next round, but the chances are pretty slim. All this buys time in abundance to try out varying solutions on that front... Unless someone strikes it unlucky. How unlucky you'd have to be, I'm not sure. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This all actually makes rather interesting reading, but I'll offer a small meta-comment. One of the mistakes we've made on Wikinews for the years I've been here has been to spend vast effort squabbling about how onerous review is, and what to do about it.  TOG has done one good thing, by basically removing that distraction from here.  In long periods when I was doing about two thirds of the reviews here, and creaking under the weight of the review process, among the things I've concluded is that onerous review is not our biggest, or even our second biggest, problem; it isn't even fundamentally broken, just something that could use improvement (some nice tools to help the reviewer do what's needed would be, well, nice).  We've just spent way too much time obsessing over it, and that's partly because we were being driven to do so by some of the folks who provided major impetus for the fork.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:25, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Please see my heads up at ArbCom talk page
Please see Wikinews_talk:Arbitration_Committee. Just wanted to keep you in the loop, -- Cirt (talk) 19:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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Was just noticing the header on your user page — atm you're not an admin or arb. --Pi zero (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. Yeah, I haven't updated that for a while... (and evidently forgot that I'm supposed to sign, too) den dodge 00:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Okay, now you're a reviewer again. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 12:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikinews Writing contest 2013 is here. :) Please sign up to participate?
We've created the Writing contest 2013, which will start on April 1 and end on June 1. It is modeled on the successful 2010 contest. It would be a really great time for you, as a Wikinews accredited reporter, to do some original reporting and conduct interviews. People should be around to interview to prevent a backlog, and several reviewers have access to scoop to make it easier to review any original reporting you do. If you are interested in signing up, please do so on Writing contest 2013/entrants. There is at least one prize on offer for the winner along with the opportunity to earn some barn stars as a way of thanking you for your participation. :D --LauraHale (talk) 10:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css/User:Dendodge
hi how would I get MediaWiki:Common.css/User:Dendodge this to work because when I tried it on Wikipedia works when I am loged in so I can only see the colour but when I am loged out it doesent show correctly my page is located at 86.168.53.10 (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The page on Wikinews is a subpage of MediaWiki:Common.css; being able to create it was one of the perks of being an admin here. I honestly don't know what Wikipedia's policy is on custom styles for user pages, but if they are allowed you'll need to ask an admin to create it for you. DEN  DODGE  George Watson  18:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * oh ok thanks 86.168.53.10 (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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User talk:Samekh

Welcome
, welcome to Wikinews! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these! Here are some pointers to help you get to know Wikinews: There are always things to do on Wikinews: By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes ( ~~~~ ), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cirt (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
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Welcome
Steve, I suggest looking at other articles on wikinews too :) Make sure if an article needs to be reviewd must be done by Peer Review. Good Luck, -- IDangerMouse (talk) 11:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC) PS. Thats such a cute/adorable pic

I will, but I've got an Excel document, and I wanna finish this up. Heh, thanks re the pic :)   סּ    Talk 11:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Editor
I have granted you Editor status on a provisional basis. Assuming you don't do anything to un-earn the status, it'll likely become permanent. Cheers, --SVTCobra 16:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, this will help :).   סּ    Talk 16:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

US voters go to the polls
You need to wrap up you edits to this article or perhaps even stop now. Wikinews is not Wikipedia. We publish stories for what is known at the time. We do not keep editing for the latest information. If something material changes, then a new article should be written. Cheers, --SVTCobra 04:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, sorry about that. I'll add the info I've got for the rest of the states, then stop.   סּ    Talk 09:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

 * sorry, ive removed the edits as they fall way after the 24hr cutioff for the article and is therefore making it a "work in progress". maybe it would be worth a followup, "US voting results in full" or similar? keep up the good work :)--Mark Talk to me 11:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Great idea. I'll do that :)   סּ    Talk 11:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review
To extend your nomination for Wikinews Editor Class.. I suggest Editing and Reviewing some articles, using peer review for sure. Cheers. -- Danger^Mouse (talk) 04:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That'd be peer review. The process is, go to the article history, take the top revision and copy the version number out the url (this becomes the revid= parameter). Read the article carefully, then check it matches the facts in the sources and does not copy text from them. If it has original reporting do your best to verify the notes on the talk page are detailed enough.
 * You may copyedit an article if there are things like spelling errors or poor grammar. Also, adding wikilinks is another thing that can bring an article up to scratch without getting so involved you're no longer an independent reviewer.
 * When you've checked this and the other items in the template fill it in on the talk page with a review heading, change the review template on the article to publish or develop depending on if it is a pass or fail; if it is a pass, sight this latest version so it appears on the front page.
 * You may want to read WN:ARTICLE for an example of what the wikicode should look like.
 * Oh, and if the article fails on a point the parameter should be the reason why it fails, eg "|npov=this is horribly biased in Party X's favour". --Brian McNeil / talk 09:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Grandmother of Barack Obama dies at 86

WikiVoices
This article was part of a WikiVoices project. --SVTCobra 01:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Points to cover:
 * Death
 * Obama's visit
 * Effect on campaign
 * Type of cancer
 * Deaths of relatives in past campaigns
 * Grandmother in campaign public discussions
 * Racial discussion
 * Speech on race
 * Obama's grandmother assumed an unusually high profile during the campaign. Obama mentioned his grandmother in his A More Perfect Union speech on race.  Obama's Kansas roots were prominent in the campaign.
 * Grandmother in Dreams of My Father
 * general role in life of grandson
 * Life of grandmother
 * Early life and historical context
 * Other grandchildren and descendants

I've started it, you expand it.--Pharos (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


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Several businesses catch fire in Queens, New York

November 3, 2008

🇺🇸Sunday, a fire rushed through seven businesses at the Whitestone Shopping Center in Whitestone, Queens, New York, near the Cross Island Parkway in New York City.

The fire started at around 1:00 AM EST (UTC-5) on November 2, 2008 in a diner known as Lollipops. According to local sources, Lollipops was a popular restaurant in the area. The fire spread through the stores, up an awning and continued all the way to a corner of the shopping center. In the end, seven businesses were destroyed, including two banks, two restaurants and a GNC Nutrition Center. It took dozens of firefighters to put out the large blaze.

According to WCBS-TV, with his diner Lollipops destroyed, the owner was too upset to comment.

Nearby Chinese restaurant, King's Chef, was also damaged. "I cannot open because of whatever rules – tomorrow's Monday, Tuesday is a holiday," the owner, Patrick Chan, told WCBS-TV. "If I cannot get them to come tomorrow, I am going to lose big time."

Nearby residents reacted to the situation. Several residents have reported that it is a major loss to the community as they considered Lollipops to be a landmark. Several residents have reported knowing members of either the victim stores or others in the strip mall.

State Senator Frank Padavan commented on the loss of the shopping center.

"This is a calamity for many of these small businesses to be out of business, particularly in this economy," he said.

The next day, investigators were boarding up the windows of the damaged stores. No one was hurt because all the stores were closed at the time of the blaze.


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User talk:Mitchazenia~enwikinews

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Comments:Grandmother of Barack Obama dies at 86

that must really be hard on him especially at the time of election. best of hopes to barack obama

Grandmother of Barack Obama dies
RE: Editing Comments:Grandmother of Barack Obama dies at 86 (comment) From Wikinews, the free news source you can write! -- "It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Obama said in a joint statement with his half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng."

We must be strong, because You did a great job, PRESIDENT OBAMA !

AS GOD BLESS YOU and BLESS THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !

WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD HAS IT EYES ON YOU. ON YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR FAMILY !

Everyone congratulates You to be democratically elected as Your grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, would like to and see that something happen in America.

In March 1983, one of humanity's most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country - 'Haîti' - and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:

"Something must change here !"

Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.

"Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.' Today more than ever, it is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !"

With this letter, I am communicating with You, SIR, and with the whole people of The United States of America.

You offer this country what it takes to be a 'Wonderfull Land.' Yes, let us say 'with a great people living and working together.'

Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.

With this in mind, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?

That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.

In the Western world, according to Newton's widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or 'visible' decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or 'invisible' composition.

In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, "Black Holes'" - a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or 'Black Suns' - are a source of energy and light. Scientifically, Industrially and Economically speaking, what an asset !

That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of usually called "white light."

Therefore "absolute blackness", the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton's theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or 'absorbed' form of the energy in question.

Allow me, SIR, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:

"What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]"

"Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid."

The cosmic fluid is what, due to an "optical mistake", is called "darkness" or the "blackness of Space". We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus "The Sea of Space."

"What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the "White Sun", a Black Hole or "Black Sun" were injected into that primordial radiation?"

"According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always."

"But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before."

"The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: "Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the "Quantum spirit", affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait." [our translation]

"According to that principle, Black Holes "evaporate". Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes "shine!" Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous "Cosmic Fluid" which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling "Darkness."

Nigra sum "sed" formosa!

Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black "and" comely?

Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the "Mother of the Universe."

Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).

Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics.

It’s like to say that in the exceptional circumstances in which we live today - in the point of view of FINANCE and ENERGY - no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise, of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and economically profitable, should not be ruled out.

That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.

Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the PEOPLE of The United States Of America - for having made it possible for this day of November to come - to mark the beginning of a "New Era of Hope !"

Lucien Bonnet

PLease, SEE : LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II in 'BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT ! http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca

The author of this book entitled "BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !" : —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.173.64 (talk) 04:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit sad that it takes the death of someone close to one of the candidates for them to behave in a civil manner towards eachother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.139.169.189 (talk) 17:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Barack's Grandmother
This story is sad and my prayers go out to him. Thank God that he is not showing it while still in the Presidental race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.11.153.71 (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

President- elect Obama, you are truely an inspiration to all of us. You are the bridge to peace and sovereignty. Thank you for the extraordinary service that lies ahead of you and may all the luck and happiness follow your path. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.8.103 (talk) 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

it must have been hard for obama if his grandma died close to election day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.205.217.157 (talk) 01:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think it's great that Obama's grandmother voted before her death?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.166.87 (talk) 22:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "Sad very sad hentai.ms"
Sad very sad hentai.ms —68.3.98.112 (talk) 07:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments from feedback form - "hi"
hi —108.203.62.139 (talk) 01:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

The Interview?
Several months passed between Obama's nomination and his being voted in as President. I know that his maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham was suffering from cancer during those months, dying just 2 days before Obama's election.

What seem curious to me is as follows. If I had cancer or not, unless I was at deaths door and my grandson, whom I raised, was nominated not just for president, but for the first black president, I would welcome any interviews concerning my thoughts and or feeling about his nomination. I would be nearly bursting with pride.

Over the past 6+ years, I have asked several people if they had heard any interviews with Madelyn Dunham, Obama's grandmother from the time of his nomination until she died, several months later. Everyone who I asked said no. They had never heard her interviewed.

News people were in my brothers hospital room 3 days before his cancer death. I have heard news people interviewing the parents and or family of children just before or just after the child's death. When something news worthy happens, news people are always minutes away, with microphone in hand.

If Madelyn Dunham was interviewed after the nomination of her grandson, I would like to read it, or hear it. If she wasn't interviewed, why not? Just Curious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2601:d:b80:2ce:156:8c27:b98b:9610 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 10 April 2015


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Talk:Several businesses catch fire in Queens, New York

WikiVoices
This article was created as part of the WikiVoices project. --SVTCobra 01:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


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DNA tests confirm bones found are Steve Fossett's

November 4, 2008

According to California's Madera County Sheriff's office, DNA tests performed on bones found at the site of a plane crash in October, are confirmed to be those of adventurer Steve Fossett.

The last known whereabouts of Fossett was on September 3, 2007. He had taken a small plane from a ranch in Minden, Nevada to search for a site to try and break the land-speed record. He had not been seen since and authorities feared his plane had crashed and he had died.

"A California Department of Justice Forensics lab has determined that items containing DNA - discovered last week - match James Stephen Fossett's DNA," said the Sheriff's department in a statement.

Items were found last week at his crash site in the Sierra Nevada Mountains along with his identification card, a one-hundred dollar bill, and a pair of shoes. A few bones believed to be his were found a short distance from the crash. Teeth marks were found in his ID card, leaving authorities to believe his body was moved by animals. Forensic investigators say Fossett would have died immediately on impact.

In September, a hiker found other identification cards and money just under a mile from where authorities later found the wreckage of his plane on October 1.


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Genentech seeks accelerated FDA approval for brain tumor treatment

November 4, 2008 The most common type of brain tumor, glioblastoma, may be getting a new FDA-approved treatment soon. Yesterday the pharmaceutical firm Genentech announced that it is requesting accelerated approval for its drug Avastin (bevacizumab) as a glioblastoma treatment. Avastin is already approved for use on lung, colon and breast cancers. Promising results in Phase II clinical trials led the company to seek early approval before Phase III trials for glioblastoma, a condition that has high mortality rates and few treatment options. The FDA sometimes grants early approval of treatments for life-threatening conditions when early studies show good results.

Dr. Hal Barron, chief medical officer for Genentech, told the press "There has been no substantial improvement in the treatment of glioblastoma in more than 20 years... This is a devastating disease and people with glioblastoma desperately need new treatment options." Glioblastoma is an incurable condition with a median survival time of less than one year. Only about five percent of patients survive for five years. In Phase II clinical trials of Avastin on 167 patients, 43 percent of patients saw no increase in tumor size after six months. Existing tumors decreased in size by at least 50 percent in twenty-eight percent of patients. Phase III clinical trials for Avastin as a brain tumor treatment are scheduled to begin early next year. The trials will evaluate Avastin together with chemotherapy and radiation.

Avastin works by inhibiting angiogenesis: the development of new blood vessels. Fast growing tumors such as glioblastoma need a rapidly growing supply of blood vessels in order to spread. Side effects associated with Avastin include hypertension, convulsion, intestinal perforation, and slow wound healing. There were two patient deaths associated with side effects from the study, yet the study as a whole yielded a significantly longer average life expectancy than glioblastoma patients normally have.

Approximately 19,000 primary brain tumors were diagnosed in the United States last year. 60 percent were gliomas, including glioblastoma. In most of North America and Europe, incidence of glioblastoma each year is 2-3 cases per 100,000 persons.

A single course of Avastin treatment costs approximately US$40,000. News reports gave conflicting information about Avastin sales for the first 9 months of 2008, with figures ranging from US$700 million to US$2 billion. Sales included approved treatments plus off-label use. Genentech shares recently rose 0.8 percent to US$83.64. Relatively few pharmaceutical firms are developing treatments for glioblastoma. Others include Pfizer in collaboration with Avant Immunotherapeudics for vaccine development. Myriad Genetics is developing a drug Azixa for primary and metastatic brain tumors.


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Comments:Kay Hagan sues Elizabeth Dole over "Godless" television advertisement

Looks like Dole is pulling a McCain. The GOP this year is setting the bar for desperation.


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New Mexico-based charismatic leader fails to predict doomsday, again

November 4, 2008 Wayne Bent, leader of a controversial United States religious group based in New Mexico, the Lord Our Righteousness Church, failed again to accurately predict doomsday. Bent had made a prediction that Judgment Day would occur on October 31, 2008. Bent had previously made a prediction reported on in the documentary film End of a World Cult that the world would end on October 31, 2007.

Sarah Montoya, a lawyer representing Bent, said in a statement to the Albuquerque Journal that members of the group were disappointed when Bent's prophecy failed to come true, "but they understand that life goes on".

Members of the Lord Our Righteousness Church, based in Strong City, New Mexico, believed that they were going to go to heaven on Friday night. "We don't anticipate any future beyond Oct. 31.," Bent's son Jeff Bent had told the Albuquerque Journal in a telephone interview last Thursday.

According to The Santa Fe New Mexican, the 45 adult followers of Bent in Strong City recently ended a two-week long fast whose purpose was to protest charges against Bent of child sexual abuse. The Associated Press reported that Bent himself has not eaten food since October 16, and a post on the organization's website stated he began a "no water or food" fast Thursday after he was taken from the group's compound.

Bent was arrested last week on failure to appear at a court hearing. New Mexico State District Judge Gerald E. Baca issued a bench warrant after Bent failed to appear in court, and he was arrested last Thursday by Union County sheriff's deputies.

He stands accused of sex crimes against female members of his group. Bent was arrested in May 2008, and faces indictments on four counts: two of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and two counts of criminal sexual contact of a minor. In an October hearing, Judge Baca ruled against a defense request for an evidentiary hearing where two girls would have described naked encounters with Bent. The judge instead ruled that the girls can tell their story to a jury in the upcoming trial, which is set to begin on November 17.


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Material from secondary sources, no OR, and some material from prior Wikinews articles on the group. Cirt (talk) 07:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Review version 720150
Thank you. Cirt (talk) 21:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Additional sources post publish
Cirt (talk) 11:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Strong City ?
Where is that ? I've never heard of it and Google maps don't show it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.113.105.186 (talk • contribs)
 * Self-appointed name by the movement, for the location of their organization. -- Cirt (talk) 05:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


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User talk:Dialh

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User talk:Boylo

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User talk:Fyfie3011

Welcome template
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US voters go to the polls

November 4, 2008 Republican John McCain has conceded the election to Democrat Barack Obama. After two years of campaigning, today United States citizens went to the polls to vote for the Presidency and for numerous Senate, House, state and local races across the country. The District of Columbia and at least 32 states had early voting before election day. By October 31, over 23 million people had voted by mail or at early voting locations. Of the approximately 6 million people of known party affiliation who voted early, 58% were Democrats and 42% were Republicans.

Record numbers of voters were expected to the polls on election day. There were reports of technical problems and long lines across the country. Heavy turnouts were reported in Indiana, Ohio, and Wyoming, among other states.

By 11:45 A.M. EST Obama is projected to have won 349 electoral votes to McCain's 163 votes. The popular vote at this time was 62,992,553 (52%) for Obama, 55,796,823 (46%) for McCain.

State Results
Note: The results in are only for states that are reporting at least 99% of precincts.

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Talk:US voters go to the polls

This should be upfront on main page and worked on throughout day as news comes in. Would also be great to have reporting from people going to the polls.
 * This needs to be formatted first. Also, first-hand accounts would not fit Wikinews. However, Wikinews reporters may interview people who have voted. --SVTCobra 16:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama wins early votes in small NH town
you know that town in NH that is like the first to close their voting well Obama has won here. --72.73.76.119 16:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

First hand reporting from Wyoming
Reporting from Wyoming is first hand. Leila Monaghan (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Maintaining NPOV
Just as a bit of advice, try not to include speculation as to why this or why that. 'Anticipating problems' is also rather speculative, better to attribute that to a known expert or pundit. --SVTCobra 23:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Example, the article says: "Problems with long lines and other voting issues are anticipated in a number of states including always closely contested Florida and Ohio." Who is saying this? Wikinews cannot say this per WN:NPOV. This must be attributed or removed. --SVTCobra 01:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't know who's been adding that sort of thing. But I've just been putting in the poll results as they get reported.  Specifically I'm avoiding quoting attempts to 'call the horse race'. Durova (talk) 01:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also realize these are projections, not hard facts. I don't want WN to sound like we are announcing a winner until there is a clear one. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Since, this was unattributed and no one spoke up in defense of this claim, I have removed it from the article. --SVTCobra 02:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not trying to go off projections at all. Any projections added were done by other people. All we're working with out of WikiVoices (that I'm aware) has been hard data from precinct reports. BTW having major server problems from my area, so atm reading off precinct reports to Samekh and he's entering them because there's less lag from his location. Durova (talk) 02:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not blaming you, Durova. I have no idea when the statement was added. I was just hoping for two small things: a) to avoid an edit conflict with your WikiVoices crowd, and b) that you'd remove it while telling your audience "why" with an explaination for why it needed to be removed. Part b) is what I would have done if I was part of tonite's chat. Cheers (and thanks for what you are doing), --SVTCobra 02:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Samekh and I are trading off based upon whichever of us has less server lag.  When we're both doing well I read off to him because I can find the states by their abbreviations faster.  Best, Durova (talk) 02:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

timezones
I realise it is an article about American elections but it would be a lot easier for those of us in other parts of the world to follow if the times were given in relation to UTC, otherwise it takes a bit of effort to calculate when exactly the events happened, just a suggestion.
 * Here's a time zone converter. What's a good way to add that to the article? Durova (talk) 03:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Article
Please note the article is currently in-use. If you could refrain from editing the article for a short while, that would be great.   סּ    Talk 04:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Updates
This is now old news...unless the updates are to reflect the polls prior to the projected winner, then no more updates should be made. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We're working on it... it's being converted to table format. --Rschen7754 (talk) 04:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm making a table at the moment, but won't add it to the article until each state has 100% of precincts reporting.   סּ    Talk 05:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Table mostly done, will do the rest in the morning.   סּ    Talk 18:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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One killed, many boats damaged in storms on Spanish island of Majorca

November 4, 2008 One person has been killed and dozens of boats have been severely damaged or sunk by storms on the Spanish island of Majorca. The storms hit the island frequently last week, and the weather finally calmed on Sunday.

In San Telmo, a 62-year-old man died when he tried to save his sinking yacht. Winds of up to 60 mph were reported with gusts reaching 75 mph.

Boats could be seen sinking into the water for several days after the storm, with people unable to rescue them due to the conditions.

Local residents stated that they were the worst to hit the island, which has a large number of ports, in ten years, with the clean up effort continuing into this week.


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All of the article except for the bit about one person dying is based on what I saw during the storms while on holiday in Mallorca. In paticular, the things about boats and similar stuff are based on what I saw in Port D' Andrax. The stuff about the storms time and such is based on what I saw by going outside and looking out the window. Thanks. --Anonymous101talk 16:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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The death is single source info from Yachting Monthly. Can that be improved?--SVTCobra 17:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, give me one min. Anonymous101talk 17:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Anonymous101talk 18:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Review passed

 * If anyone wants to upload any of my photos at this page to commons feel free to do so (they're all in pd). Anonymous101talk 19:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Dead for Trying to Save a Rowing Boat
the Frenchman killed did not own a yacht: He owned a 3.5+ mtrs open two-pointed rowing boat. You can see the boat in the background of this picture (a still from Canal4 footing), I have about the same on my mobile: http://ohlmer.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hobre_muerto_sant_elm.jpg

The real news in this case is the naked man in the photo, a local Police Officer that lives right in front of the coast who jumped into the water at 3 mtr waves w/o thinking twice and risking his life in an attempt to save the Frenchman.

Rattler —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corrupt (talk • contribs) 18:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:Lewis Hamilton wins 2008 British Grand Prix

I see an error but I don't know where it is or how to change it.

On the sports portal page, Hamilton is reported as winning the British F1 Grand Prix (correct) but on 12th October (definitely wrong!) as it also shows Alonso winning the Japanese race.

If I open this page it shows what I assume is the correct July date in the text so it must be wrongly labelled somewhere. Please correct it!

Thanks Elfcurry (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

review?
the article says it was published but where is the review saying this? --72.73.119.153 18:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is from before that review methodology was introduced. You will find thousands of articles like that in our archives. --SVTCobra 18:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:67.168.107.196

You have the wrong project for trying for an Arbitration case. The people you cite as involved are not active on Wikinews. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

--Brian McNeil / talk 18:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

There, you can't edit your talk page now. Anonymous101talk 19:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Cyprus to charge five over 2005 plane crash that killed 121

November 4, 2008 Cypriot prosecutors have announced that they intend to charge five people over the 2005 crash of Helios Airways Flight 522. The loss of the Boeing 737 killed all 121 people on board.

Attorney General Petros Clerides announced the plans today, but did not indicate who was to be charged or exactly what the offenses were.

"We came to the conclusion that, from the evidence gathered, a criminal prosecution is justified against several people whom we consider accountable for the plane crash," he said at a press conference in Nicosia. The unresponsive aircraft, supposed to be flying between Lanarca to Prague, entered Greek airspace where it was intercepted by two F-16 fighter jets on August 14, 2005.

The F-16 pilots reported the airliner's pilots were slumped over the controls. After flying on autopilot for two hours the aircraft crashed near Athens despite the efforts of a flight attendant, who was training to become a pilot, to take control and save the jet.

The subsequent investigation discovered that the pilots failed to adequately monitor the pressurisation system. The plane lost cabin pressure and hypoxia caused the incapacitation of the passengers and flight crew. It is thought that the conscious flight attendant had used multiple crew oxygen cylinders to outlast the others on board. Investigators also believe that the equipment had been left in the wrong setting after testing by maintenance engineers and never checked before flight.

After failing to resuscitate the pilot-in-command, the trainee pilot turned off the autopilot and attempted an emergency landing at Athens International Airport, which the aircraft had been circling in a holding pattern awaiting human input. However, the aircraft ran out of fuel before reaching the runway.


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Yay for science! 167.102.159.2 21:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


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User:Andimahony

I am proud to be a user of WikiNews and try to at least type an article once a day. I get better and better with each article I write.

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Some help
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Template:Prezresult08

This is a tally of all of the polls closed so far.
 * ECV = Electoral College votes
 * Nebraska divides its electoral votes by congressional district. Obama won one electoral vote from Nebraska's 2nd congressional district.
 * Popular vote totals are unofficial.

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Fear and loathing on the campaign trail, October 2008

November 4, 2008 October on the campaign trail presented the last chances for the campaigns to present their messages to the American people. A vice-presidential and two presidential debates were held, one of which added a new political lexicon, perhaps the closest thing to an October surprise. One candidate seemed to pull way ahead as early voting began in many states near the conclusion of the month.

 * Democrats
 * At the beginning of the month, due to the continued economic crisis, Obama took a clear lead over McCain in opinion polling, leading by double-digits in many surveys. Obama maintained his lead throughout the month and mounted leads or stayed within the margin of error in some states won by Bush in 2004 including Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, New Mexico, Missouri, Florida, Iowa and North Dakota.

 * Joe Biden debated Sarah Palin in St. Louis on October 3, in a forum moderated by Gwen Ifill. Biden issued very little criticism of Palin and remained subdued for much of the night, focusing mostly on foreign policy. Ifill became a subject of controversy before the debate, with commentators questioning her impartiality with the upcoming release of her book, The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.

 * On the campaign trail, prior to the third presidential debate, Obama was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio. Joe asked Obama whether his taxes would be raised if he bought a plumbing company as he was planning to do. Obama stated that he didn’t “want to punish [his] success” but that “everyone who is behind him” should be given a “chance at success.” He later stated that he thought “when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

 * Obama defended his tax plan during the third presidential debate with McCain while facing many McCain comments about “Joe the plumber.” He repeatedly stated that his tax plan would lower taxes for households making under US$200,000 a year, which he said made up 95% of Americans.

 * Former secretary of state Colin Powell made an across-party-lines endorsement, when he stated on Meet the Press that he was voting for Senator Barack Obama. Powell became the first former member of the Bush administration to formally endorse Obama and was closely followed by former press secretary Scott McClellan, who also endorsed the candidate.

 * Republicans
 * At the vice-presidential debate, Sarah Palin became the first woman since the 1984 United States presidential election to participate in such an event. It was the most widely watched vice-presidential debate in history with an estimated 70 million viewers. During the debate Palin characterized herself as a “Washington outsider” who “may not answer the questions the way the moderator and you (Senator Biden) want to hear.” She focused mostly on energy policy during the debate.

 * The second presidential debate was held on October 7 and moderated by Tom Brokaw. During the debate McCain announced his support for a spending freeze of programs other than those for defense or veterans. When discussing energy policy, McCain famously referred to Obama as “that one.”

 * The McCain campaign launched a series of ads connecting Obama to former Weather Underground member William Ayers, who served on a board with Obama and held a venue at his home for the Senator when he began his political career. Palin accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists.” Some pundits saw the new strategy as a last ditch effort by the McCain campaign.

 * McCain’s campaign was compared to that of segregationist George Wallace’s by Congressman John Lewis, who commented that the campaign was “sowing the seeds of hatred and division.” Lewis pointed to McCain supporters who shouted obscenities about Barack Obama during a McCain rally, including one who reportedly yelled “kill him” when referring to Obama (a claim later refuted by the Secret Service). McCain discussed this during the third presidential debate, and asked Obama to repudiate the comments.

 * During the third presidential debate, McCain used the earlier discussion between Obama and Joe the Plumber as a tool to attack Obama on his tax policy. He strongly objected to Obama’s support for “spreading the wealth” which he likened to socialism. The debate led to a small comeback for McCain in opinion polling, cutting into Obama’s lead as the month came to a close.

 * Third parties
 * A third party debate scheduled for October 19 was cancelled after the candidates were unable to participate due to scheduling conflicts. Candidates Ralph Nader, Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney and Constitution Party nominee Chuck Baldwin were supposed to debate but it eventually fell through.

 * Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin were able to participate in a third party presidential debate on October 23 in Washington. Each discussed their strong opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as their disapproval of the government’s bailout plan. Baldwin and Nader had some disagreement on abortion, with Nader standing pro-choice and Baldwin standing as pro-life. Nader emphasized the need to control the power of corporations over consumer’s lives and Baldwin stated that his number one priority as president would be to secure the borders.

 * On October 30, Nader and Baldwin participated in another third party debate. Libertarian party nominee Bob Barr joined the candidates for this debate. During the debate, the candidates railed against the two major parties with Ralph Nader complaining that they don't like "competition." Barr conveyed his frustration with the Justice Department for their failure to prosecute Wall Street corporate leaders. Baldwin expressed his fear for America's future.

Editor's note
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail... is a monthly article about the campaign events during the past month. The title is based on the series of articles written by journalist Hunter S. Thompson and compiled into a publication entitled Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72.


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Thankfully its almost over. CBC can go back to playing Canadian news. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, sorry. (US citizen) - Imind (talk) 03:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

obama won! *pops champagne* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.202.49 (talk) 04:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Cyprus to charge five over 2005 plane crash that killed 121

Fuel or Engine?
Im sure it was the engines that blew out not that fuel ran out wasn't it?

-andimahony

 * I think you are confusing the term 'flame out' with blowing out. 'Flaming out' is aviation jargon that simply means 'topped working'; the engines flamed out because they ran out of fuel. An understandable mistake to make from a fairly misleading term. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


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Review
I am having difficulties reviewing this article. The NHK sources are either bad links or already taken off-line. I cannot read the Japanese-language sources. That said, the story does seem to be factually accurate in the major points, even if I couldn't confirm every detail. Can we publish? --SVTCobra 23:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I replaced four sources, and rewrote some expressions, deleting two factors which seemed not most important. Now no parts are depending on the four troublesome sources. It's ready for review, isn't it? Thanks for collaboration. --Dumpty-Humpty (talk) 09:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


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User:Samekh

Hi, I'm, formerly known as Steve Crossin. I've had a patchy past as of recent on the English Wikipedia, and while I started off quite well, where I did a lot of dispute resolution work, and even earned a triple crown, I was banned on the 24th August, 2008, by the Arbitration Committee, as a result of this discussion, and formally banned on the 27th September by arbitrator FloNight. My ban is set to expire on the 29th March, 2009.

I haven't really decided what I'll do on Wikinews. I'm rather interested in the 2008 presidential election, so I'll probably edit in that area for now.

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Comments:Cyprus to charge five over 2005 plane crash that killed 121

Im sure it was the engines that blew out waan't it?

 * I think you are confusing the term 'flame out' with blowing out. 'Flaming out' is aviation jargon that simply means 'topped working'; the engines flamed out because they ran out of fuel. An understandable mistake to make from a fairly misleading term. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 07:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


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/*extern getElementsByClassName addOnloadHook*/ /* Purpose: To add live updatable times to pages.

Note everything is prefixed with Bawolff purely to stop name conflicts with other js things (specificly the original utc clock). In the interest of credit where credit is due, none of this code is really mine, most of it is stolen from other people.

This will find any element with class 'utcautoclock' and go from there. Recomend using wikitext like:

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var hh = now.getUTCHours; var mm = now.getUTCMinutes; var ss = now.getUTCSeconds; var time = ( hh < 10 ? '0' + hh : hh ) + ':' + ( mm < 10 ? '0' + mm : mm ) + ':' + ( ss < 10 ? '0' + ss : ss ); dateNode.replaceChild( document.createTextNode( time ), dateNode.firstChild );

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Bawolff.LiveClock.init = function { var dateList; if (document.getElementsByClassName) { /*HTML5*/ dateList = document.getElementsByClassName("utcautoclock"); }   else { /* inefficient w3c DOM + custom func in wikibits*/ try { dateList = getElementsByClassName(document, '*', 'utcautoclock'); } catch(e) {} }

var cur; for (var i = 0; i < dateList.length;i++) { cur = new Bawolff.LiveClock(dateList[i]); cur.start; }

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User:Bawolff/sandbox/utcclockthingy

 Monday 29 July   UTC

Basically, this makes anything enclosed in a tag with calss  auto update. For example: Note: we need the for non-js users. If there is anything other than it will be replaced.

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User:Fvasconcellos

Hi there. I am an admin over at the English Wikipedia.

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User:Master of Technology

I like to discuss topics about new and interesting technology. Master of Technology (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Master of Technology

I will talk to anyone about new or interesting technology. Master of Technology (talk) 03:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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Comments:New Mexico-based charismatic leader fails to predict doomsday, again

Slow news day? Unfortunately, the world is full of nut cases. I just hope people will stop believing them, the sooner the better. —Aless.mac (talk) 04:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

What a loon. —70.165.36.114 17:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)