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name change to make it more precise? --72.73.67.232 17:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I don;t reckon so. They've never been grounded before so far as I know - certainly not within the last ten years - and the move is permanent unless they do anything. Lets go for concise instead. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 17:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good. ~ Thomas Paine

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I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good. ~ Thomas Paine

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 * This image was released by the Finnish police for the press.

 * Per this it is clear that the images are intended to be as widely used as possible, but due to Commons policies cannot be hosted there.

 * No free image can be created as it is a historic event.

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There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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Poison sue Capitol Records and EMI Music Marketing over royalties

June 21, 2008

United States glam metal band Poison is suing Capitol Records and EMI Music Marketing over an alleged breach of contract. Poison claim the two companies have underpaid them royalties for years.

The band claims Capitol miscategorized various record sales and miscalculated every possible expense since the 1980s. They say when attempting to check company records they received no co-operation and are now asking a judge to order the firms to reveal their records so the band can determine how much they are owed.

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Talk:Poison sue Capitol Records and EMI Music Marketing over royalties

royalties name fix. --72.73.67.232 20:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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Euro 2008: Netherlands vs. Russia

June 21, 2008

The lost to the  in a quarter-final match of UEFA Euro 2008.

opened the scoring in main play, a goal that was matched by after only 30 minutes.

Then it was a hardy play-off for both teams, especially the Dutch, but and  scored goals, effectively put an end to the match. Arshavin was declared the Man of the Match.

Now it will be the first major semi final for Russia since the.

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12 dead following police raid of Mexican night club

June 21, 2008 At least 12 people have died and 32 have been injured because of a human stampede in the night club News Divine in Mexico City, Mexico. About 1,000 people tried to leave the club at the same time through the only accessible door during a police raid. The establishment's owner, Alfredo Maya Ortiz, told those in the club to leave due to the authorities' appearance.

The Secretaría de Seguridad Pública (Public Safety, SSP) police officers arrived at the club at 5pm after being informed of alcohol sales to minors. During the raid, Ortiz used the sound system to make an announcement asking everyone to evacuate. Everyone did so simultaneously.

Three minors are confirmed dead following the incident, as are six teenagers between 18 and 22 years old and three policemen. Some of the victims lost their lives because they were flattened by the doors being opened. Others perished after falling to the floor and getting trampled by the stampede. There were a number of deaths due to cars unintentionally running over people. All bodies were moved to the GAM 5 territorial coordination.

"Everybody began to run to the door desperately, in that moment somebody fell to the floor; others where arrested by the police when they crossed the door. Some of them where hit and moved to some buses. When they [the police] weren't looking at us, I took one of my friends and started to run", said a reserved source. He or she also confirmed that drugs were sold there and the club was only a "small two-story club that was always crowded".

In addition to the owner, club employee Mariana de la Cruz Gayoso and an unidentified person have been arrested. The head of SSP, Joel Ortega Cuevas, confirmed the destitution of the policemen who organized the raid in order to optimize the investigation.

News Divine has been open for three years and in that time has been closed three times by the law. Most recently, it was closed earlier this year. There have been many reports and complaints of drug sales, fights, and aggression around the club.


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Comments:Row over Lech Wałęsa's alleged collaboration with communists escalates

Didn't Walesa and Solidarity also collaborate with other European and U.S. intelligence agencies? Nihil novi (talk) 00:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

By December 2008, Walesa did not sue anyone
Despite vicious attacks on historians who found hard evidence that Walesa collaborated with the communist Secret Service (the Polish KGB) in his young age, way before Solidarity was created, none of the libel law suits Walesa was thretening Historians and Polish TV, materialized. - Historyk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.96.117 (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


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Didn't Walesa and Solidarity also collaborate with other European and U.S. intelligence agencies? Nihil novi (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


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Talk:12 dead following police raid of Mexican night club

I'm afraid "confirmed the destitution" ether doesn't mean what you think it means or is POV. At present the phrase very poetically implies that the police men themselves will be punished for acting irresponsibly, but this requires some consideration to deduce. So questions include : Is Cuevas merely condemning the irresponsibly of the raid? If so he is claiming or asserting, not confirming. Or has he said that charges will be pressed against the officers? If so he is confirming, but not destitution. Well, destitution should be changed regardless. Nyarlathotep (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Location intro
The intro to this implies written by someone in Mexico, if not the case it should be changed. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup needed
I didn't unpublish because it has already been mirrored. I have no time now. --SVTCobra 05:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


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Sweet! Nyarlathotep (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


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Wikinews talk:Arbitration Committee/Elections July 2008

Just to clarify
Just to clarify, I do not intend to run for re-election, as I feel I am no longer active in the wikinews community to the extent an arbcom member should be. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Candidate shortage
To date, we have three candidates. We need at least another three; there are six seats up here, not an optimal situation, but what we have to deal with.

Candidates should be prepared to identify to the Foundation. Access to Oversight and CheckUser require this, and ArbCom cases have the potential to need such tools. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I will identify if vital, but ultimatly I do not feel I need the tools. Is this still required? Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 06:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * If it is considered appropriate to grant these rights to Arbitration Committee members then it must surely put the community at a disadvantage if a member is without these rights. Personally I'd feel unable to support a candidate who chose not to identify themselves to the Foundation and in doing so potentially put themselves at a disadvantage in performing the role to which they are elected to do. Adambro (talk) 06:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The tools are generally, as Adambro says, granted to ArbCom members. Any case has the potential to require use of CheckUser if sockpuppeting or other forms of block evasion are involved. It may be some comfort to know that identifying to the Foundation does not require that you divulge personal details on-wiki. The process involves sending a scan or photocopy of some form of id (preferably photo id) to Cary Bass. Once it is proven you are over 18, you get the extra rights. The age requirement is part of Foundation privacy policy. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think its necessary to require that people identify themselves to the foundation or apply for the extra rights. (I never identified myself, and some of the people who served on the arbcom in the past were minors) We have several people with these rights, the number of active bureaucrats is equal to the number of active check users and oversighters - theres more then enough to go around. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:28, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * That's much my opinion. Anyway, I withdrew for several reasons, not just the whole privacy thing, so it makes little difference to me, although I do wonder if it needs looked at again. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 06:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Staggered elections
I'm not convinced that an entire ArbCom reelection is the best solution for the future. I would prefer to see about half of the arbcom reelected at a time, possibly with elections every six months. I'm not sure how to work out having some of the people who get elected this time round have shorter terms and keep it fair; do we extend the term for those with the most votes, or shorten the term for those with the least? Thoughts? --Brian McNeil / talk 09:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The length of terms was increased to one year as opposed to six months as recently as January this year. Having ArbCom elections twice a year was considered to be too disruptive, I can't see what advantage would be gained by having elections every six months. Adambro (talk) 11:44, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is to ensure there is continuity and not a complete new ArbCom every election. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Does that matter though? It isn't like ArbCom is used much so it can't be said that anyone on the committee has any more experience than anyone else in handling cases. Adambro (talk) 12:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If we wanted to go back to staggered elections, we could do it like we did the first election. However if we do, I think the term length should be 2 years, with half being up for re-election once a year. (but that is an extremly long term in wikitime). However having an election every 6 months is too much imo. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Election extended
I notice that the election period has been extended such that it ends after the previous terms end. I feel that is highly inappropriate. Why was this changed? --SVTCobra 18:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We lost a day, so we added on an extra day. The winners will be announced on August 1 and they will be official immediately. I don't see why this is such a huge issue to you in the first place; as I said before, we've used ArbCom, what, twice in four years? Not having a sitting ArbCom for less than a day will not be something that's pressing. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We lost a mere 15 hours. The voting is going to be open for more than 12 days anyway, isn't that enough? It is important because it is procedure. It makes no sense to let the terms expire before closing the vote. Will it matter? Probably not. But why set a bad precedent for future elections. --SVTCobra 22:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just it, it doesn't have to set a precedent. There will be new election committee members then, they can decide what to do; in fact, they will probably want to revert back to the old model. That's totally fine with me, but it just seems like an argument to start an argument, which isn't very helpful. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think, rather than a new election committee deciding what to do, it will be the community that decides whilst still entrusting a few users to manage the election in accordance with the community consensus as to how it should be run. Adambro (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In the middle of an election? I don't see how this is a good time at all to do that. People could have brought up their hypothetical concerns before the election started and nobody did. Dare I say it, I think it's too late right now. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What gave you the impression that I was referring to this election? Adambro (talk) 22:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I thought you were. Sorry! Mike Halterman (talk) 22:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is this discussion taking place both here and at WN:AAA? Cirt (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I'm guessing SVTCobra, who first brought it up, wanted the largest number of people to know about it, which meant cross-posting. I think we should wrap up at least one of these discussions, if not both, and then outline how next year's election will be improved either now or when this election ends (I vote for the latter). Mike Halterman (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Cirt (talk) 23:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why the hell is a piece of trivia like this getting so much attention when I spent an enormous amount of time and effort at Wikimania networking and trying to get help to move the project forward? I spent hours in a cafe at Cairo airport typing up what I learned and the opportunities open to us as a result, yet a couple of contributors will waste everyone's time on a silly little detail like a minor extension of the voting period? It is argument for argument's sake. I certainly don't want to see anyone who would engage in such behaviour on the Arbitration Committee, and - to be blunt - I don't want people who will nitpick over stuff like this on Wikinews. We can do without importing the dysfunctional aspects of English Wikipedia. Drop this, get on with the project goals, and be constructive. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't vote, but...
I can't vote on this unfortunately, but I'd like to express support for Brianmc and Cspurrier who I am familiar with from other places, and who I think would be particularly good arbitrators. Cheers, Majorly (talk) 16:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"Oppose" voting?
Looking back at: It looks like the last time there was a custom of "Oppose" voting was back in January 2006. As this was not the practice in the last three elections, I do not think it is appropriate in this election. Also, after looking at the previous four elections, all seem to keep votes to very very brief, if any comments, certainly no longer than a few words or one sentence, maximum. Cirt (talk) 22:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Arbitration Committee/Elections July 2007
 * Arbitration Committee/Elections January 2007
 * Arbitration Committee/September Elections 2006
 * Arbitration Committee elections 2006
 * It's clearly labeled in the FAQ (which everyone should have read before voting) that this is a support voting system. The way you oppose candidates in a support voting system is to not vote. I have removed Adambro's vote. Please follow directions, everyone. Mike Halterman (talk) 22:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. Cirt (talk) 02:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reinstated this as a "comment" rather than an "oppose". If the "election committee" still feel this is inappropriate, and I wouldn't say the length of comments previously is a good reason, then I would invite them to assist me in finding a more appropriate venue. I am not aware of anything, beyond Mike Halterman who was being canvassed on IRC by Brianmc to remove the vote, which says we aren't allowed to choose not to support a candidate and comment as to why. As I've said, if we don't have a reasonable opportunity to comment on candidates who are looking to be on the Arbitration Committee and receive oversight and checkuser rights then there is something very wrong with this whole process. Adambro (talk) 05:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You can kindly remove the accusation that Brian McNeil told me to remove your vote. He wasn't even on IRC all day (to my knowledge) and I haven't spoken to him since well before you added your oppose vote. I saw it on recent changes and I removed the vote of my own accord. Take your petty vendetta against Brian McNeil someplace else, and speaking for myself, stop wasting my time with it. Mike Halterman (talk) 05:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've not made any accusations, rather what I've stated is a fact. Brianmc did tell you on IRC to remove the vote, whether this played any part in you doing so is of course impossible to say and I've not suggested it did. Adambro (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, what you suggested is that he told me to jump and I said "how high?" You know quite well what you're doing and I'm really surprised, considering you've been chastised for this behavior against him before, that you're going after him again (especially after the community just voted you back as an administrator last week, with hopes that you would change your judgment calls about nearly everything). I don't want to hear any more about this; if you would like to leave the last word, you're more than welcome to it, but I won't be responding to you. Mike Halterman (talk) 06:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried to ping Mike about this on IRC, there was no response for several hours so it is quite possible he was not aware I had been in IRC last night, or seen the message. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The pointy comments by Adambro
I, too, cannot vote but I feel the need to comment on Adambro's absurd behavior. What is your problem? Each WMF project has a different mission and scope, so trying to enforce philosophies from one project on another is not helpful. Furthermore, Wikinews is entitled to set policy on fair use according to that mission. Anthere, the chairperson of the WMF board, made this abundantly clear. If anyone is to provide guidance on the foundation resolution you kept on bringing up, she is the one to do so. This is not Commons, the collection of free media that anyone can reuse. This is Wikinews, the free news site which anyone can write. The difference is in the audience that Wikinews serves as opposed to that which Commons serves. Where as Commons is concerned with freedom of redistribution and reuse, I believe Wikinews is concerned with providing the freedom of accurate reporting and non-biased presentation. More to the point, the news is a very visual medium, so having visual media, even if non-free or even if non-redistributable (GOL), is absolutely necessary. Current events are time sensitive and the luxury of getting free media is not one that can always be afforded. Even worse, changing stories long after the fact is not helpful, either, as media provide important factual and contextual information. So why do you feel the need to rehash your very disruptive behavior towards non-free media? You exhausted the patience of this community with your flood of bad-faith IfD nominations and your absurd wikilawyering. Brian was quite ticked off as were others. You were asked politely to stop and even heard from the aforementioned WMF board chairperson. In the face of all of that, you continued your disruption. Is it any wonder that Brian was less than polite? Even English Wikipedia arbitrators get frustrated when faced with intransigent, disruptive behavior. They are human beings, after all. Your concerns about Brian's fitness are without merit. I submit to you that it is merely sour grapes which motivates your improperly placed rant. You should withdraw it. --Dragon695 (talk) 14:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe this is an appropriate venue to reopen the free media/fair use debate. --+Deprifry+ 15:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. Dragon695 seems to want to try to defend Brian by attacking me, rather than doing the constructive thing and explaining why the points I have raised shouldn't be taken into consideration. I think it is somewhat odd that someone's first edit here is to make such a comment. I must apologise for doing so but I'm afraid I can't help feeling slightly suspicious about this. Whilst Dragon695 tries to use my background to devalue my comments, perhaps we should question the value of theirs considering their apparent lack of activity here. Maybe you should be explaining what prompted you to suddenly pop up here on Wikinews and make these remarks? Adambro (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Who can vote?
I take it as a given that those on the election committee cannot vote due to the obvious conflict of interest, but what about candidates? I am reluctant to place votes without one or two of the election committee members saying it is acceptable to do so. I am also reluctant to place a vote for myself even though in a conventional election it is a given that candidates will vote for themselves and use this as a publicity opportunity. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Voting for other candidates should be fine, several candidates (myself included) did so in the January 2006 election. As for voting for yourself, I believe it is assumed that you're supporting your own candidacy. --+Deprifry+ 16:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree: voting for other candidates is no problem, voting for yourself is not advised, imho. And obviously, committee members shouldn't vote due to COI. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the responses, and, this was something I had wanted some clarification on as well. Cirt (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Confirmation
If my count is correct, these are the results: I therefore propose that the ArbCom should consist of Brianmc, Cirt, Cspurrier, Skenmy, Nzgabriel and Brian. I'll await confirmation by Thunderhead and Mike Halterman. Others are requested to confirm and comment as well. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7 votes: Brianmc, Cirt, Cspurrier
 * 5 votes: Skenmy
 * 4 votes: Nzgabriel, Brian
 * 3 votes: SVTcobra
 * 2 votes: TUFKAAP
 * 1 vote: Chris Mann
 * Oops, I was an hour early, damn UTC... embargoed until deadline passes...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Already done on the results page, you can second the results there. Mike Halterman (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser / Oversight access
I want to point out that anyone with checkuser access must be appointed with support of 25 members of any community. In order for an arbitration committee to enable checkuser access, the arbitration committee must have been elected by that same margin. I'm unsure of how access was granted the last time, or whether the arbitration committee circumvented the requirements, but that 25 person margin is important because of the sensitivity of private information. As it stands, the members of the current arbitration committee will not be automatically granted checkuser access. Cary Bass (talk) 20:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Do we even need that? Brianmc, Brian and Cspurrier currently have Checkuser... IIRC, not every member had checkuser granted in the previous election. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The point of electing an arbcom here is to circumvent the 25 vote requirement. It seems to have worked 'till now. Maxim (talk)  22:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: Cary Bass removed Checkuser/Oversight access to all those that previously had it locally on this project. See Checkusers and Oversighters. The relevant information as to why is under the "Access" subsection at pages Checkuser/Oversight. Cirt (talk) 22:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * To get CU and Oversight rights, you must have atleast 25 supports and 80% support and to do that you might have to allow more people to vote and the requirement right now for people with 250 edit count halts it, have a re-election probably ...-- Cometstyles 23:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See separate Checkuser request discussions going on now at WN:A. Cirt (talk) 01:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:12 dead following police raid of Mexican night club

This is akin to yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded theater, how stupid can the owner be? Oh right, he doesn't care about human lives, as long as money goes into his pockets and not having to spend time behind the slammers. -99.247.26.43

 * It's a little hard to tell from the article, but an order to evacuate isn't normally an unreasonable request. If there are injuries, then normally it indicates that the building owners violated the law by allowing too many people into the club.  The article strongly suggests that police contributed to the danger by blocking some exists.  Most likely, both the cops and the owner will be punished by the courts.  Nyarlathotep (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


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Comments:'Pregnancy pact' grabs international attention for small Massachusetts town

What I find even more disturbing about this, is the fact that the supposed father or fathers (we don't know for sure yet), is at least 24 years old... That's just awful...
 * And homeless. They're just like whoring themselves out to homeless people. How nasty and contemptible do you have to be? TheCustomOfLife (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

So.....stupid.....
This is so idiotic....Well, at least they actually want the children (hopefully?)? Fephisto (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but for how long? As much as anything this seems like a fashion statement, or fad. Such things list a few months to a year. The rearing of a child is a commitment that lasts at least 16 years. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not disagreeing with you here. Fephisto (talk) 16:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

These chicks are seriously frakked up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.77.132 (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And what about the people over in Beverly Farms and their Horribles parade with a giant squirting penis and people pretending to be pregnant? 204.52.215.107 22:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This is why the IQ of the nation gets lower and lower... dumb people are more likely to reproduce... it's funny how the parents apparently play no role in the moral upbringing of their children. "It's because of the movie Juno!" No it's not. It's because they were raised by incompetent parents... --24.219.218.166 08:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heres some foood for thought... How Can You raise A child when your still a child yourself????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.119.220.162 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

What!!!!!!!!!!
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MDC pulls out of Zimbabwe elections

June 22, 2008 Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the (MDC), Zimbabwe's main opposition party, has said that he will pull out of the race to become the president of Zimbabwe. He said that he is doing this because "the outcome [of the elections] is determined by... Mugabe himself," and is therefore not fair.

"We in the MDC have resolved that we will no longer participate in this violent, illegitimate sham of an election process," said Tsvangirai in a press conference made today. "The courageous people of this country and the people of the MDC have done everything humanly and democratically possible to deliver a new Zimbabwe and a new government."

Tsvangirai also said that governments worldwide should intervene to help improve the situation in the country.

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I am concerned 'Ferry sinks in the Philippines' doesn't quite describe the event in question adequatly; it gives the impression of a nonfatal accident where everyone is accounted for. Perhaps 'Over 700 missing after ferry sinks in the Philippines'? Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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Over 700 feared dead after ferry hit by typhoon

June 22, 2008 It is feared that over 700 people have died after a ferry in the Philippines capsized after being hit by Typhoon Fengshen. So far, 38 people from the ferry have been found alive. Some people were washed onto the shore. One of the survivors, Reynato Lanoria, a janitor on the ferry, said that about 100 people jumped into the ocean.

The ferry left Manila en route to Cebu on Friday, and according to the owners, Sulpicio Lines, contact was lost at about 12:30 local time Saturday.

A rescue ship was sent to rescue the survivors, although this only happened 24 hours after contact was lost with the boat.

One of the survivors described the incident. "There were many of us who jumped overboard, but we were separated because of the big waves," he said.

He continued, "The others were also able to board the life rafts, but it was useless because the strong winds flipped them over."


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Premier League 2008–09: Blackburn Rovers F.C. hire Ince

June 22, 2008

Paul Ince has succeeded Mark Hughes as new Blackburn Rovers Manager after signing a 3-year contract with the club.

He becomes the first black manager to manage in the Premier League and top-flight football. Ince was unveiled at a press conference at Ewood Park on Tuesday 24th of June.

Ince moved into management with Maccesfield Town, keeping them in the Football League in the 2006-07 season. He moved to the MK Dons in June 2007, leading them to the League 2 title and he Johnstone Paint Trophy.


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Felipe Massa wins 2008 French Grand Prix

June 22, 2008

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa won the FIA Formula One 2008 Grand Prix de France at the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours, France.

Though his teammate Kimi Räikkönen started from pole, Massa was able to get closer and overtake after a problem with exhaust lines onboard Räikkönen's car started.

Jarno Trulli did his best to withstand Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren Mercedes, pushing hard on him. Trulli made the first podium finish for Toyota team. This achievement was dedicated to the memory of Ove Andersson, team founder, who died in a rally crash recently.

BMW Sauber driver Robert Kubica, the previous GP winner, finished only 5th this time.

4 Renault-engined cars occupied the placeholders from 6 to 9th of the final protocol. Mark Webber gained 3 points for Red Bull. Fernando Alonso dropped to 8th place from the 3rd upon the start. His teammate Nelson Piquet Jr. passed Alonso on the closing laps of the race after a slight driving error by the Spaniard.

Lewis Hamilton qualified third but was penalized 10 places down the grid after his collision in the previous race. Soon after the start he made an error attacking Sebastian Vettel cutting the Nurburgring chicane and was penalized again by a drive-through penalty. He finished 10th.


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Phoenix lander confirms presence of water ice on Mars

June 23, 2008 For the first time ever, NASA has confirmed the presence of water ice on Mars. The, which landed on Mars on May 25, has confirmed to NASA scientists that the white substance it found while digging a trench on June 15 is water ice. "It is with great pride and a lot of joy that I announce today that we have found proof that this hard bright material is really water ice and not some other substance," said Peter Smith, the primary investigator for Phoenix, at the University of Arizona in Tucson, Arizona.

The chunks were left at the bottom of a trench informally called "Dodo-Goldilocks" when Phoenix's Robotic Arm enlarged that trench on June 15, during the 20th Martian day, or sol, since landing. Several were gone when Phoenix looked at the trench days later. The chunks were visible on June 16, but when Phoenix looked at the trench again on June 19, some of the material had disappeared, implying that it may have evaporated or melted.

"This tells us we've got water ice within reach of the arm, which means we can continue this investigation with the tools we brought with us," said primary investigator for Phoenix's stereo imager, Mark Lemmon.

Scientists are planning to examine the substance and the soil surrounding it more closely. They plan to test it for signs of organic material and minerals, and hope to find out if the ice was ever a liquid which could have supported microbial life.

In December of 2006, scientists announced that the captured images of deposits in gullies on the surface of the planet Mars which have been created since the areas were photographed nine years ago. These deposits were believed to be the residue of liquid water breaking out of cliffs and crater walls, carrying sediment downhill through the gullies, and later evaporating. The gullies are located inside the Terra Sirenum crater and the Centauri Montes regions.

In June 2007 the ESA's spacecraft discovered ice deposits in the South Pole of Mars that are larger than the state of Texas. Scientists say that there is enough water in the deposits to cover the entire planet with up to 36 feet of water if the ice was to melt.


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15 confirmed dead after Iraq bombing

June 22, 2008 A bombing in the Iraqi province of Diyala has killed 15 people, according to local officials. The suicide bomb exploded at the entrance to a local government centre in the city of Baquba, which is one of the most deadly areas in Iraq. 39 people were also wounded by the attack.

An anonymous witness of the blast described the bomber. "I heard some of the injured people saying they saw a woman wearing a black robe blow herself up."

This attack comes after a bombing on Tuesday killed 51 people, according to local police. That bomb exploded near a bus stop in the Hurriya area, which is mainly populated with Shia Muslims. 75 people were also wounded in Tuesday's attack, which was the deadliest in the area for three months.

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UEFA Champions League 2008–09 Qualification: 42 Clubs learn their fate for First and Second Qualifying Rounds

July 1, 2008 The Draw for the 2008-09 UEFA Champions League 1st and 2nd Qualifying Rounds took place today.

The UEFA Champions League draws was done at UEFA headquarters. The 14 clubs entering the 1st Qualifying Round on will play the 1st Leg on either July 15 or July 16 the 2nd Leg being played on July 22 or July 23. The 14 winners from the 1st Qualifying Round will join 14 clubs entering the 2nd Qualifying Round. The 2nd Qualifying Round will be played July 29 and July 30 and August 5 for the 1st and August 6 for the 2nd Leg.

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Great, I guess this means Mugabe will be president until the bastard croaks. TheCustomOfLife (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean dictator. Fephisto (talk) 16:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Idiot, pussy, coward... What else can we call Tsvangirai? --Kitch (talk) 13:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Wow, what an ill-informed comment, Kitch. Tsvangirai has more courage than you'll ever have and has faced the consequences before. Why don't you read a little about what this man has | been through? --SVTCobra 23:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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did i hear 800 at one time? --72.73.67.232 23:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Everybody's to blame.
This tragedy should have been prevented if the Philippine Coast Guard didn't allow the ship to sail. They should have warn all the vessels not to sail since this is a strong typhoon. Sulpicio should have a sort of back-up communication system to use especially in these kind of cases. I personally took one of Sulpicio's trip and I can attest that they have poor security/safety facilities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.65.218.6 (talk) 23:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Storyline about the blameful tragedy
1.It was June 21 2008,when the Supperferry,and Negros Navigation cancelled the trip to Cebu because of typhoon Frank. 2.June 22 2008,when the MV Princess of the Stars left the port.In the afternoon,the tragedy happened. 3.The big waves carried the survivors to the islands near the place where the tragedy happened. Today the rescuers are still finding the survivors and the dead bodies.-Alexis Achacoso 10:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


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Outgoing Australian Democrats leader predicts new party amidst double dissolution

June 23, 2008

In the 2007 Australian Federal election, the Australian Democrats party lost the last of its Senate seats, and as of June 30 will no longer be represented in parliament. However, its leader, Lyn Allison, has confirmed talks with other small political parties such as the Climate Change Coalition with the aim of forming a new political entity.

The Democrats have held seats in the Senate for 31 years, and operated under the mission statement "to keep the bastards honest" as coined by former leader Don Chipp in 1980. Its loss of three Senate seats in 2004 was instrumental in giving the Liberal/National Coalition an absolute Senate majority in addition to their existing majority in the House of Representatives, which allowed them to pass legislation without the need of minority or Independent Senate votes. In the 2007 election, two of the four remaining Democrat senators chose not to stand for re-election, and the other two lost their seat. However, a swing against the Coalition gives the balance of power to minorities - the Greens, Family First, and Independent senator Nick Xenaphon.

Senator Allison predicted that tensions between the Labor Party - who won a majority in the House of Representatives in the election - and the Greens would result in a double dissolution election. Under Section 57 of the Australian Constitution, if the Senate rejects the same legislation passed up from the House of Representatives twice under certain conditions, the Govenor-General may dissolve both Houses, resulting in elections for all seats. There have been six double dissolutions in Australian parliament, with the most recent in 1987.

Senator Allison said "any Bill which the opposition opposes will require the votes of all five Greens, plus the new senator Xenophon and [Family First] Senator Fielding. Now that's quite a disparate bunch." Of the possibility of forming a new minority party, she said that she thinks "there is a place for the Australian Democrats or a party just like it and we want to still be part of that." A double dissolution "would of course be an ideal election to contest as a new entity," she said, but noted that it would probably not retain the Democrats name, since it "has not attracted any votes."

The new party would not include the Greens, but its leader, Bob Brown, was supportive of plans for a new political entity in Federal politics, as more voices in the Senate would be better for democracy. "I think it's a great idea", he said.


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Absolutely amazing I must say. Water on another planet. Wow :). We are slowly finding out more about the Universe.  Knowledge is vast!
 * Cool stuff! Fephisto (talk) 16:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is absolutely amazing. Good job NASA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.15.202.133 (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, good job is wasting public money which has been involuntarily given by the American public. Anonymous101 (talk) 15:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It will be worth it in the long run. Reyk (talk) 23:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

we pay taxes, and it is inevitable that some of those taxes will go towards things we'd rather they didn't. better this than an unnecessary war. -Imind (talk) 17:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Although more tax money goes to wars and useless things. One a small fraction goes to NASA. They aren't even really part of the US government. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As much as I agree with this, it's still a pretty cool development. Fephisto (talk) 20:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Red Shadown
When I look at this picture in high resolution, I notice there is a clear reddish color that follows the contour of the shadow casting into the hole. Is this an optical illusion or is it real? Can anyone explain this?—65.216.251.45 19:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Since when does the apparent disappearance of a white substance imply the evaporation of frozen water? And isn't the term "water ice" redundant or is the term more scientific?

-Sceptic —155.94.62.221 20:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

- The white substance could have been one of two things: water ice or salt. Water ice, when exposed to very low pressures and low temperatures, will gradually sublimate off into vapour and disappear just like in the photos. Salt doesn't do that. As for calling it water ice, there are other substances like methane that can also become liquids and solids if you cool them, so it makes sense to talk of "methane ice" and things like that. Reyk (talk) 22:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

 * The exact temperatures and pressures involved rule out methane completely as it requires a much colder temperature than is currently at that site. Water is the only substance with these properties in these ranges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.168.168 (talk) 19:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just giving an example of another substance that has an ice form, not trying to say there was any of it actually on Mars. Sorry to be so unclear. Reyk (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

From a linguistic point of view, the phrase "water ice" also probably sounds better than just "ice." NASA has been hoping for a long time to find water on Mars or another planet, which would indicate the presence of or capability for life. Therefore, calling the stuff "water ice" solidifies the discovery with the hope of the future discovery of life on Mars. cornman7001 (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.217.220.118 (talk)

I still say send Bush!
NASA... your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to put a man on Mars. And that man should be George W. Bush. There still won't be any intelligent life there, but Earth will be much better off.

Oh, and if he expresses any doubts, tell him he will on arrival be appointed head of "Mars Oil". --Brian McNeil / talk 13:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * Why send a robot probe to dig, if not to look for oil. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 23:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Given the current lack of evidence of life ever existing on Mars, the chance that enough organic material collected and got turned into oil is pretty slim. You'd be better off mining for something to use in a nuclear reactor. Chris Mann (Say hi!|Stalk me!) 00:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


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Comedian George Carlin dead at age 71

June 23, 2008 American comedian George Carlin has died at the age of 71 after suffering heart failure.

Carlin was taken to the Saint John's Health Center located in Santa Monica, California after he experienced chest pains and died in the early evening.

Carlin has made several HBO specials and nearly two dozen comedy albums. He appeared in several movies such as Dogma, and was also the first host for the television show Saturday Night Live which premiered in 1975.

Carlin suffered from a cocaine addiction throughout his life and was self-admitted to a rehab clinic in 2004.

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Marijuana is what?
Since when did marijuana become addictive per the article?

George Carlin did not suffer from an addiction to marijuana. Hooray for wording bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.81.4 (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Strongly agree with the two above. Unless & until we get a source on this "marijuana addiction" the claim should be removed. As for his cocaine problem, I remember hearing about that but we probably ought to have a source for it as well. I'm going to go ahead and remove the marijuana claim for now. --on WP as User:Kasreyn 167.127.107.8 15:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

damn
He was my favorite Comedian. R.I.P. Carlin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.25.248 (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What can you say?
What a genius. He did things his own way and on his own terms. He pointed out the absurdities of our modern life in a way no one else could ('Semi boneless ham.....is it a bone? Then it's a BONE, there ain't no 'Semi Bone')and made a lot of people laugh (it's the hippy dippy weatherman with your hippy dippy weather, man.). He also influenced a whole generation of comics and his effect will be felt for years to come. He will be greatly missed. And that's not 'Near Fetched'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.144 (talk) 19:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just getting into his comedy even though I've known it for so long. You will be missed, Geroge..but you'd probably just tell us to get the fuck over it. Blindeffigy (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


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Air safety group says airport was operating illegally without license when Garuda Indonesia Flight 200 crashed

June 23, 2008

An Australian air safety group claims that Yogyakarta International Airport was opearating illegally with no license when Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737, crashed at the airport, killing 16 Indonesians and five Australians.

Flight Safety Pty Ltd had been asked to carry out an independent investigation by an anonymous client after the March 2007 disaster, which occurred when the aircraft landed at excessive speed and shot off the end of the runway. Flight Safety has now announced that they have found Yogyakarta International had been granted a five year license but this would be withdrawn after twelve months if several conditions were not met. Since these conditions remained unchanged, the license effectively voided six months before the disaster, claim Flight Safety. One of the conditions was extension of the runway and provision of an adequate Runway End Safety Area (RESA).

The group adds that it also conducted checks on Solo International Airport and Semarang International Airport, and that these airports also had invalid Airport Operating Certificates. The final report was not released at the time as the client in question felt it 'too sensitive', and Flight Safety says that it was rapidly covered up three months later when it leaked in Indonesia.

The group says it notified the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), and that they in turn said the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) - who assisted in the crash investigation - was in control of the situation. However, Flight Safety claim that when approached, the ATSB denied knowing about it. Allegedly, the ATSB had missed the licensing discrepancy because they only checked the front page of the airport's license and did not conduct a detailed analysis of the small print.

Flight Safety claim that the Indonesian Director of Aviation Safety told them that the situation had been rectified. However, the group have now conducted a re-audit and say Solo and Yogyakarta airports both remain illegal. They go on to accuse the ICAO, ATSB and Indonesian Director of Aviation Safety of "keeping quiet" and described them as 'compromised'.

Flight Safety go on to claim that the survivors of the crash and relatives of the deceased have not been informed either, and say that this will have a serious effect on the compensation process and on any insurance claims. Crikey, an Australian news service, also suggested that AU$12 million of aid promised by Australia to help Indonesia improve air safety is also being misused. All Indonesia's air carriers are currently on the list of air carriers banned in the EU.

An official statement by Flight Safety head Chris Weir concluded "It [the group's findings] should now be exposed as the safety issues remain unresolved."

Mardjono Siswo Suwarno of the National Transport Safety Committee, the body responsible for investigating the disaster, denied that Yogyakarta Airport was illegal, saying "At that time [the license] was still valid, but the RESA was not long enough... But still in the [Garuda] case, even if the RESA length was adequate, the plane would have still overrun because the speed was 1.8 times normal speed."

The final report found that the pilot-in-command, who has been arrested and charged over the crash, attempted to land after fifteen Ground Proximity Warning System activations to tell him he was landing too fast, and says that although a longer runway and full-sized RESA wouldn't have stopped an airliner traveling at such excessive speed it could have reduced the toll of deaths and injuries.

The directors of Yogyakarta and Solo airports claim that since the re-audit they have taken steps to improve safety and rectify any problems, but have not actually admitted their airports were illegal. Indonesian director general of air transportation Budi Mulyawan Suyitno said that although local budget limitations have prevented some airports from being improved there are no problems currently at Yogyakarta, with improvements including declaration of a RESA for 140 metres of the 2,250 metre runway and stationing Aircraft Rescue and Firefighting trucks at the airport.


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Ban Ki-moon calls for Zimbabwe elections to be postponed

June 23, 2008 Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the United Nations, has said that the elections in Zimbabwe should be postponed due to the fact that Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), Zimbabwe's main opposition party, has said that he will pull out of the race to become the president of Zimbabwe.

Ban released a statement highlighting his concerns. "The Secretary-General deeply regrets that, despite the repeated appeals of the international community, the Government of Zimbabwe has failed to put in place the conditions necessary for free and fair run-off elections," he said.

"The circumstances that led to the withdrawal of opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai today from the presidential elections represents a deeply distressing development that does not bode well for the future of democracy in Zimbabwe. The campaign of violence and intimidation that has marred this election has done a great disservice to the people of the country and must end immediately," continued the Secretary general.

He finished by saying that "the Secretary-General has discussed the situation with various leaders, including those of the African Union and the Southern African Development Community (SADC). He strongly supports the statement of the Chairman of SADC that conditions do not exist for a run-off election to be held at this time and that they should be postponed."

This move by Ban Ki-moon comes after Morgan Tsvangirai called for the international community to intervene to improve the situation in Zimbabwe.


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Wikinews:Briefs/June 23, 2008

Ban Ki-moon calls for Zimbawe elections to be postponed
Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the United Nations, has said that the elections in Zimbabwe should be postponed due to the fact that Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), Zimbabwe's main opposition party, has said that he will pull out of the race to become the president of Zimbabwe.

Ki-moon released a statement highlighting his concerns. "The Secretary-General deeply regrets that, despite the repeated appeals of the international community, the Government of Zimbabwe has failed to put in place the conditions necessary for free and fair run-off elections," he said.

"The circumstances that led to the withdrawal of opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai today from the presidential elections represents a deeply distressing development that does not bode well for the future of democracy in Zimbabwe. The campaign of violence and intimidation that has marred this election has done a great disservice to the people of the country and must end immediately," continued the Secretary general.

He finished by saying that "the Secretary-General has discussed the situation with various leaders, including those of the African Union and the Southern African Development Community (SADC). He strongly supports the statement of the Chairman of SADC that conditions do not exist for a run-off election to be held at this time and that they should be postponed."

This move by Ban Ki-moon comes after Morgan Tsvangirai called for the international community to intervene to improve the situation in Zimbabwe.

Over 700 feared dead after ferry hit by typhoon
It is feared that over 700 people have died after a ferry near the Philippines capsized after being hit by Typhoon Fengshen. So far, 38 people from the ferry have been found alive. Some people were washed onto the shore. One of the survivors, Reynato Lanoria, a janitor on the ferry, said that about 100 people jumped into the ocean.

The ferry left Manila en route to Cebu on Friday, and according to the owners, Sulpicio Lines, contact was lost at about 12:30 local time Saturday.

A rescue ship was sent to rescue the survivors, although this only happened 24 hours after contact was lost with the boat.

One of the survivors described the incident. "There were many of us who jumped overboard, but we were separated because of the big waves," he said.

He continued, "The others were also able to board the life rafts, but it was useless because the strong winds flipped them over."

Phoenix lander confirms presence of water ice on Mars
For the first time ever, NASA has confirmed the presence of water ice on Mars. The Phoenix lander, which landed on Mars on May 25, has confirmed to NASA scientists that the white substance it found while digging a trench on June 15 is water ice.

"It is with great pride and a lot of joy that I announce today that we have found proof that this hard bright material is really water ice and not some other substance," said Peter Smith, the primary investigator for Phoenix, at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

The chunks were left at the bottom of a trench informally called "Dodo-Goldilocks" when Phoenix's Robotic Arm enlarged that trench on June 15, during the 20th Martian day, or sol, since landing. Several were gone when Phoenix looked at the trench days later. The chunks were visible on June 16, but when Phoenix looked at the trench again on June 19, some of the material had disappeared, implying that it may have evaporated or melted.

"This tells us we've got water ice within reach of the arm, which means we can continue this investigation with the tools we brought with us," said primary investigator for Phoenix's stereo imager, Mark Lemmon.

Scientists are planning to examine the substance and the soil surrounding it more closely. They plan to test it for signs of organic material and minerals, and hope to find out if the ice was ever a liquid which could have supported microbial life.

In other news...
American comedian George Carlin has died at the age of 71 after suffering heart failure. Carlin was taken to the Saint John's Health Center located in Santa Monica, California after he experienced chest pains and died in the early evening. Carlin has made several HBO specials and nearly two dozen comedy albums. He appeared in several movies such as Dogma, and was also the first host for the television show Saturday Night Live which premiered in 1975.

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VERY SAD. This obit is as sad as the Luciano Pavarotti one. UnknownMan (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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We'll always have .paris: ICANN votes for top level domain registration in 2009

June 24, 2008

The (ICANN), a non-profit organisation based in California, United States to regulate internet domain names, will vote on Thursday for a proposal to allow the open registration of  (TLDs) for Internet addresses. If the proposal succeeds, then as soon as next year any entity with sufficient funds may be able to apply for ownership of a relevant TLD, so that, for example, web sites could have addresses ending in .paris, .ebay or .love.

The range of TLDs has traditionally been heavily restricted by ICANN, with most being country codes (such as .uk for the United Kingdom, or .jp for Japan) or related to the purpose of a website (like .com for commercial websites, .edu for educational sites, and .org for non-profit organisations).

Some existing owners of TLDs have already set up arrangements that have made use of their flexibility - for example, the countries of and the  have leased many domains on their country code TLDs ( and  respectively) to entertainment websites based on the association with "television" and "FM radio".

Commentators have pointed out that this may open the way for the controversial .xxx domain, proposed for sites with adult content, which ICANN has previously rejected. Its existence will not be guaranteed in the new system, however, as domain registration will be subject to an independent arbitration process, and granted only when the registrant can demonstrate "a business plan and technical capability", and applications may be rejected on "morality or public order" grounds. While the proposal does not include registration fees, the TLDs are predicted to cost several thousand dollars, at least.

ICANN CEO Paul Twomey, speaking with the, compared the opening of domains to the opening of real estate in the United States in the 19th century. "It's a massive increase in the geography of the real estate of the Internet," he said.

The ICANN International Public Meeting, which opened in, France on Monday, includes workshops and public forums as well as the ICANN Board meeting.


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Talk:'Pregnancy pact' grabs international attention for small Massachusetts town

Statistics
One thing the news articles haven't mentioned is the statistics behind this to answer the question How unlikely is it that 17 students would be pregnant by chance?" The news says a quarter as many were pregnant last year. Assuming a Biniomial distribution with n=1162 and assuming last year had 5 pregnancies making p=0.0043, then the chance of 17 pregnancies is 0.00002—two in one hundred thousand. That is a tiny number. Even taking into account that there are on the order of ten thousand high schools in the US (I couldn't find a hard number . But if you apply the Binomial distribution at a school level, assuming 10,000 schools, you would expect to find one school in the country with a pregnancy rate this abnormal every 5.5 years (n=10,000, p=0.00002).

This is a sad story. But, with the caveat that it is probably indicative of problems in Gloucester and that pregnancies in one school in one year are probably not statistically unrelated, this story seems less newsworthy if you consider that you would expect to see a similar story twice a decade. I can't remember a similar story previously.

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Board election 2008
editprotected Could the board election notice either be removed or replaced by a message saying that it is over and that the results will be announced on 26 June please? Thanks! Greeves (talk • contribs) 15:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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HTML fix
editprotected The 'align="CENTER"' tag should be changed to 'align="center"' (so no capitals) to make the page HTML valid. Cheers, Van der Hoorn (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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Request
editprotected Can someone remove this notice now that a request has been filed at bugzilla by Julian. Thanks!   Tris   22:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC){was Dottydotdot)
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2010 competition
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Now that the competition is underway, would someone mind changing "will begin" to something appropriate? Thanks, Bencherlite (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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An interesting tangent here at http://name-space.com/faq/
 * That haven't updated their FAQ since 2000. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


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Mugabe: There will be an election in Zimbabwe

June 24, 2008

Robert Mugabe, the current head of state in Zimbabwe has said that the scheduled elections will take place in Zimbabwe, despite the fact that there have been calls from many influential organisations, including the United Nations, to cancel the elections due to the fact that the opposition candidate has pulled out.

"The election will take place on Friday in accordance with our laws and constitution," said a spokesperson for the Mugabe regime, talking to AFP.

Ban Ki-moon, secretary general of the United Nations yesterday called for the election to be postponed. He said that he "strongly supports the statement of the Chairman of SADC (Southern African Development Community) that conditions do not exist for a run-off election to be held at this time and that they should be postponed." He also said that he was disappointed that a free and fair election could not take place.


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City to sue owner of partially collapsed 19th century livery in Buffalo, New York

Two weeks after a 19th century stable and livery on Jersey Street partially collapsed and caused 15 homes to be evacuated in Buffalo, New York, residents still do not have answers from the city despite a court order to work with them and come to an agreement on a way to save some or all of the building, Wikinews has learned. Despite the frustration from residents, the city is planning on suing the building's owner. A rally was held at the stable's site where residents are hoping to bring more awareness to the situation and gain more support to save the building. On June 11, a significant portion of the stable's right side wall collapsed into the yard of a resident's home. Authorities, including the Buffalo Fire Department were called to the scene to evaluate the collapse and evacuate 15 homes of residents surrounding the stable as a precautionary measure. The following day, the city ordered an emergency demolition on the building, which was stopped by a restraining order residents with Save The Livery (www.savethelivery.com) won on June 14. Two weeks later, five homes are still evacuated and residents don't know when they will be able to return.

On June 19, Judge Justice Christopher Burns of the New York State Supreme Court ordered a halt to the emergency demolition and ordered the city and residents to come to an agreement to save the building, or at least a significant portion of it. Despite a court date today, no agreement has yet been reached between the two parties.

"It is in the interest of the city to have a safe environment--but also important to maintain a sense of historical preservation," stated Burns in his June 19th ruling. The court ruled that a limited demolition could take place and that the city was only allowed to remove material in immediate danger to residents and pedestrians, but stated that the demolition could only be performed with "hand tools." The court also ordered that any rubble which had fallen into neighboring yards when the building collapsed, to be removed. Since then, most of not all the significantly damaged portions of the building or portions in immediate danger of falling have been demolished. The roof has also been removed to put less stress on the stable's walls. "Its been over three years since we have been having problems with part of the livery falling down. There was an implosion two weeks ago and suddenly the city wanted to have an emergency demolition," said Catherine Herrick who lives on Summer Street immediately behind the stable and is the main plaintiff in the lawsuit against the city. Many homes on Summer are small cottages which were used as servants quarters when the stable was in operation, many of which were built in the 1820's. At least seven homes on Summer border the stable's back walls. Residents in those homes have significant gardens which have been planted against the building and growing for decades.

"Both parties are to continue to work together to see how we can meet everybody's needs. This is the third time we have been in that courtroom, and that is what we were basically told to do," added Herrick who said the rally was held today because this "is Buffalo's history. Buffalo is a wonderful place to live because of its history and this is a historical, beautiful building and we need to keep those beautiful buildings."

Herrick states that the city is working with residents, but also believes that its "slow moving" and they are allowing the owner to get away with neglect on the property.

"I believe right now that they are letting the owner get off. The owner was negligent for 20 years, and hasn't done anything to it despite what he has claimed to say. Now that this is an emergency situation, the city has a lot to say about it," added Herrick.

Currently the building is owned by Bob Freudenheim who has several building violations against him because its poor condition. He has received at least five violations in three months and residents who live near the building state that Freudenheim should be "100% responsible" for his actions.

Freudenheim gave the city permission to demolish the building on June 12 during an emergency Preservation Board meeting, because he would not be "rehabilitating the building anytime soon." Freudenheim, along with his wife Nina, were part-owners of the Hotel Lenox at 140 North Street in Buffalo and were advocates to stop the Elmwood Village Hotel from being built on the Southeast corner of Forest and Elmwood Avenues. They also financially supported a lawsuit in an attempt to stop the hotel from being built. Though it is not known exactly how long Freudenheim has owned the stable, Wikinews has learned that he was the owner while fighting to stop the hotel from being built. Residents say that he has been the owner for at least 22 years. Attorneys for Freudenheim confirm that the city is starting proceedings against him for his violations beginning as early as Wednesday June 25. Freudenheim has not released a statement and could not be reached for comment. Many residents want the building preserved and Herrick states that their engineer can have it stable in "four days" as opposed to the 14-30 days it would take to demolish the building and "at a lesser cost than what it costs to demolish it."

It will cost the city nearly US$300,000 to demolish the building which is paid for with tax money collected from residents in the city. The Buffalo News reports that fees are approaching $700,000. Though reports say there is a potential buyer of the stable, Wikinews cannot independently confirm those reports.

Residents say the stable was designed by Richard A. Waite, a 19th century architect, and was first owned by a company called White Bros., used as a stable and housed at least 30 horses at any given time. It also stored "coaches, coupes, broughams, Victorias and everything in the line of light livery," stated an article from the West Side Topics dated 1906. According to the article, The company first opened in 1881 on Thirteenth Street, now Normal Avenue, and later moved into the Jersey building in 1892. The Buffalo Fire Department believes the building was built around 1814, while the city property database states it was built in 1870. It is believed to be only one of three stables of this kind still standing in the country.

At about 1950, the stable was converted into an automobile body shop and gasoline station.A property record search showed that in 1950 at least four fuel storage tanks were installed on the property. Two are listed as 550 square feet while the other two are 2,000 square feet. All of the tanks are designated as a TK4, which New York State says is used for "below ground horizontal bulk fuel storage." The cost of installing a tank of that nature according to the state, at that time, included the tank itself, "excavation and backfill," but did not include "the piping, ballast, or hold-down slab orring." It is not known if the tanks are still on the property, but residents are concerned the city was not taking the precautions to find out.

Wikinews has called the city along with the Mayor's office several times, but both have yet to return our calls. There are conflicting reports as to the date of the next hearing. According to Herrick, the next hearing is July 1, 2008 though the Buffalo News states the next hearing is July 8. The News also states that Burns will make a final ruling on the stable at this time.