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Report into 2003/2004 New South Wales (Australia) hospital safety released
Um, are you aware of the misspelling in the title of this article? - Borofkin 02:59, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Article has been moved, updating links - Amgine 22:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Article names
Actually, Dan100 changed the article name. I was just cleaning up the last of the links to the old article name.

You can put any kind of a "Headline" on an article you would like, and link back to the article. For example, NSW Hospital Saftey Report Released: Bad Marks and Bloated Corpses! is just NSW Hospital Saftey Report Released: Bad Marks and Bloated Corpses! This is called a "piped" (|) title. - Amgine 22:47, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Economy & Business
Thanks for your comments. For the moment i'll try and keep the stats up to date manually - I would'nt be able to create a script or anything as such myself, hopefully someone will eventually. I've several other ideas for the page, including commodity prices, 5 day stock market graphs etc. Hopefully over time the page will become better. CGorman 16:13, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * That would be great, whenever you get the chance, theres no rush. I'm focusing on trying to build up some decent business content at the moment - imagine some of the latest news articles are over 2 months old! CGorman 21:04, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ahem
And how can I properly trout you if you aren't in IRC? Wb! - Amgine 04:43, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Admin nomination
I removed the Q&A Dan100 added to the process as suspected instruction creep. I will replace your answers if you wish. -- Davodd | Talk 06:51, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to fail to respond to the reposted questions - Amgine 02:39, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'Questions for the candidate'
moved from Administrators -- Davodd | Talk 02:57, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What admin chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with?

 * A. RC patrol (which ill be starting again in a couple of days anyway, when i manage to get gaim working so i can lurk on IRC).

2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikinews, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

 * A. Nepal's King names new cabinet, cause it was wikinews' first featured article.
 * I didn't know we had featured articles... Dan100 (Talk) 01:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * well, what ever we want to call the main article on the front page, it was the first (due more to luck than anything else) The bellman 02:45, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

3. Do you have any particular plans if you gain adminship?

 * A. Write a better set of questions for potential admins...?

Mus musculus
There you go. - Amgine 03:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your text preview button (after content analysis) -> preview - Amgine 03:47, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Java IRC
 * CGI IRC

Admin status granted
Congratulations, you have just been made a sysop! You have volunteered for boring housekeeping activities which normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops basically can't do anything: They cannot delete pages arbitarily (only obvious junk like "jklasdfl,öasdf JOSH IS GAY"), they cannot protect pages in an edit war they are involved in, they cannot ban users except in cases of obvious vandalism or excessive edit warring (24-hour "cool down" ban). What they can do is delete junk as it appears, ban vandals, remove pages that have been listed on Deletion requests for more than a week, protect pages when asked to by other members, and help keep the few protected pages there are up to date.

Note that almost everything you can do can be undone, so don't be too worried about making mistakes. You will find more information on Administrators, please take a look before experimenting with your new powers. Drop me a message if there are any questions or if you want to stop being a sysop (could it be?). Have fun!--Eloquence 07:23, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Congratulations! Now, since you have a mouse, and you're at uni, you should locate time to do some more editing! - Amgine 04:18, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, very sorry to hear your Uni is having difficulty with their Internet access! Especially so now that you've gained admin status (read, I have your mop and bucket here, and wish you were ready to clean up! ) Perhaps you can use the enforced break to develop good study habits, which are far more valuable to you at this time. Or you can at least try to be patient... - Amgine 03:48, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Broken internet! Sux0rs! Well, we'll be here when they get it back. I'm sure Amgine will save you some articles. Pingswept 03:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you will not be in IRC, then I must offer duties... - Amgine 02:50, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Let's scrap deletion requests
I'm proposing that we scrap deletion requests, and I'd appreciate your input! Dan100 (Talk) 11:36, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's a quote from Lincoln
In response to your question, "What has that got to do with being from the UK or not?"

The American President Lincoln once said, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."

Some commentators in American politics have taken to labeling it as an old trope that makes the rounds whenever it suits the political agendas of those who would further tighten laws for the "war on terror".

Anyways, the phrase seems apt when someone wants to take an otherwise virtuous concept, in this case NPOV, to its logical extreme, by not deleting any articles at all, which I believe would be suicidal for Wikinews. — DV 12:34, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews writing contest launched
Dear The bellman,

thanks for registering for the Wikinews writing contest! It now begins officially. Every day, I will try to make a tally of who has and who has not managed to fulfill their story/day requirements. If you do, however, believe I am missing something, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best of luck in the contest!--Eloquence 06:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Veja, FARC and PT:the general didn't tell the truth, says former Abin superior
I translated the article about Veja,PT and FARC as you asked. However I need some help in revision. Veja, FARC and PT:the general didn't tell the truth, says former Abin superior. The article needs some help and support, please help.--Carlosar 10:32, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Its
This is no big deal. CC'd from the user talk page for Chess legend avoids 10 year prison term:

The possessive form of "it" is "its":

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=its

The word "it's" is the contraction for "it is".

It's understandable to forget this rule, because the possessive form for other words uses an apostrophe.

Regards,

— DV 12:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * An apostrophe here, and a comma there, and pretty soon you're talkin' some real punctuation. (<-- bad copyediting joke) — DV 13:01, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Welcommittee
Welcome to the Welcommittee! Nice to have another member. CGorman 15:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It scares me how on the ball you are. Anyway thankyou, ive already welcomed quite a few ppl, but didnt realise there was a committee The bellman 15:30, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Im always monitoring the recent changes page! The new front page is great - only thing is maybe a light thin line down the center seperating the lead article and lead 2&3 articles might look more professional. Ignore Paulrevere... he's an extremist - just try and keep him calm, but don't let him bully you. CGorman 15:40, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

custom signatures
To get my signature, I went to preferences. Then, for the signature, I entered:
 * :into the field.

Then I clicked to select the "RAW" signatures box under it before saving ther changes. Presto - custom sig that looks like this --> -- Davodd | Talk 19:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Photo of Bishkek
Hi The Bellman,

I hope you don't mind I added the photo of the Forbidden City for the Beijing-related article that is topmost in Latest news, instead of the Bishkek photo, which is already in the upper-right hand corner as the second lead. (Good article by the way.) — DV 14:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Coolies, its 2moro over here so i was too tired to bother looking for a forbidden city photo. Thanks for doing the foot work for me. ~The bellman | Smile  14:15, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Lowry report
I read the article history of your story and note the problems you appeared to have at the beginning of the story with your browser. I too, am having problems, but ours may be totally unrelated.

I found it extremely frustrating to spend time on an edit, and then when I attempted to save it, my browser locked up and closed down... losing all the work of the edit in the process. I have taken to 'saving' a copy of my "save" before 'saving'! I browse with MSN9 Explorer, not Firefox.

But the real reason I write, I changed your use of the Italic text for a Lowry report title to simple "quotes". I do not profess to be an expert on punctuation. All I know is what looks right. You may find useful the Wikinews:StyleGuide should you wish to take me to task.

Also, I note your use of the word "that" in articles. I doubt the link above, which admittedly I only once scanned, will answer the issue of THAT. But trust me, serious writers will not use the that word lightly since it is so easy to slip into a story unnecessarily. I suggest a book on grammer if you chose to find an authoritative source on the subject.

Glad to read your articles!-edw 03:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * The Bellman: I dwelled a bit on this message I left for you yesterday and return here now to add more so that you may better understand me.

 * Fifteen years ago, I am 45 now, I read the famous book "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by author Ernest Hemmingway. [<- I still think that's a beautiful title] The book had such an impact on me that I read more of his works and articles written about him. When my interest in him finally lapsed, the lasting impression it left on me was a rememberance of reading of him that his total writing output for a day was around 600 words. He was very dedicated to using only words necessary to complete his thought.

 * In reporting on the news, we do not have the luxery of taking too much time to write. It would be old news by the time it got written! But my point is: unnecessary usage of the word "that" places a burden on the reader. The reader must spend time digesting a word that makes no contribution to the idea being conveyed.

 * Best Regards... -edw 14:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback
Thanks for your feedback on my talk page on the article New Zealand praised by NATO Secretary General. I found your remarks concerning "Mr/Mr." conventions to be helpful and informative, and will follow this advice in the future here at Wikinews. Any other feedback you may choose to offer will also be appreciated.

DouglasGreen

That time of the year again
This is a form letter that I am putting on the talk page of every admin: As you may know, we are approaching April 1. In many cultures, this is a time for pranksters to pull April Fools jokes on others. Because of the ease of editing, wiki projects tend to fall prey to these types of pranks rather easily. Let this be a reminder to us all to keep a special lookout for hoaxes, rampant fiction and other random acts of content vandalism between now and April 2. Good luck, and hopefully not too much damage will be done. -- Davodd | Talk 07:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pope
NB: Im giving this message to the 10 or so people I suspect may be on Wikinews when the event occurs.

I've created a story announcing the Popes death - when the Vatican or BBC/Reuters announce he is actually dead please insert the date & time and publish - we will be the 1st news group to break this story (besides our source)! The story is located here User:CGorman/Sandbox. Whilst waiting please improve the story. → CGorman (Talk)  22:48, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation
Seeing how well preparations have gone for the Pope story, i've created Story preparation. Instead of users preparing stories on their own computers and saving them on their own hard drives, they can place them here to allow other writers to add to them before the event. This will help eliminate duel coverage of the same story - Teeks99 had spent some time yesterday evening writing a Pope story - but did'nt load it onto wikinews resulting in his version being made redundent. Hopefully by allowing users to collaborate on a story from an earlier date, our article quality will be dramatically improved. → CGorman (Talk)  15:10, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If I can help you
bellman, don't hesitate to ring my user page. I really enjoy working with images and have every possible image toy on the market. Thank you for the compliment on the old Senate shot. Wasn't that a GAS!! --HiFlyer 16:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Invitation to mediate
I'm inviting you to mediate in the dispute DV has with me. AFAIK I've had very little to do with you on the site, so I imagine you will be quite neutral. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but there you go.

If you are prepared to help, get in contact and we can work out what the next step in such a situation is. Dan100 (Talk) 09:03, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * w:Wikipedia:Mediation will probably be of some use if you do take up my invitation.

 * I should point out that there does not seem to be one single clear dispute (eg over a single article or policy etc), and I have no dispute with David, but I feel that the issues he has with me need working through and bringing to some sort of conclusion so we can both move forwards. Dan100 (Talk) 10:13, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chillis
Ah, perhaps I should have made my submission for your "Rules" section more explicit.

I was referring to the idea that, "carefully looking at one's chili before one eats it is a good rule of thumb", in a perhaps obscure reference to my recent work on the Wendy's chili incident. If you're not familiar with the stories I submitted on that subject, I won't subject you to the painful details.

I kind of regret writing that series of stories as it has rather turned me off from eating out at fast food restaurants.

Sorry I wasn't more clear, but your invitation to "feel free to add more rules" was too good to pass up. — DV 12:13, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
Thank you for your kind offer to mediate the issues Dan100 and I have been working through here on the site.

The core issue I have with Dan100 is his selective use of collaboration, depending upon either the contributor or the subject of a news story.

I am really not blameless, so I should hardly be throwing stones on the subject of collaboration. But my learning experience illustrates the value of collaboration in a way that mere abstractions cannot. I have had issues of my own collaborating with some of the more flamboyant contributors, such as Paulrevere2005, but I quickly mended my ways and have strived to work with them, despite my personal wish for a more careful and deliberate reporting style.

The result has been rewarding.

My new attitude has had such a positive effect that Paulrevere2005 even endorsed your nomination of me for Administrator. Despite some of our initial differences, I've also made the effort to work with Alan J. Franklin on his story submissions, and the result is that we have a cordial working relationship at this point.

In stark contrast, Dan100 seems to selectively have little interest in news which doesn't personally affect him, to the point of wanting to delete a news article submitted by contributor Alan J. Franklin, amazingly on the innocuous subject of daylight savings time. This was really beyond the pale, because he didn't lift a finger to try and improve the article. He simply tagged it with a Deletion request and went on his merry way. He did the same with the Flora article so this is part of a continuing pattern of behavior.

I laid out the other issues I have with Dan100's lack of collaboration on policy and and guideline changes, despite repeated requests to build consensus, and the large number of edits he has made without a comment in the edit summary.

Unfortunately, it appears we really must set up a mediation page where this material can be laid out bare for an objective analysis, because Dan100 has disingenuously insisted that I have not presented any evidence for these issues.

Specifically, it seems that Dan100 would like a section on the mediation page with links to entries in his user history showing the specific edits that illustrate his lack of collaboration. I find it somewhat distasteful to troll through his 2,000+ edit history, but he has basically called me a liar to my face, insisting that I have presented no evidence, so perhaps links to edits in Dan100's history is the only way?

If Dan100 would simply admit that he could do a better job of collaborating with all of his fellow editors, first build a consensus for important policy and guideline changes, and show some signs of improvement, I would happily drop this matter entirely.

To date, Dan100 has rebuffed my constructive suggestions for how to improve, as if it was only my opinion. Dan100 has also rebuffed Davodd's concerns in the past, so it's not just me. Even cool-headed Ilya was moved to withdraw his support of Dan100's administrator nomination after it became clear that there were issues between Dan100 and the community.

I apologize that this mediation is taking time away from writing news, but the "wiki spirit" is just as important.

Please let me know when you have a Mediation page set up, and I will be at your service to begin the mediation process.

I appreciate that you are volunteering to try and help.

Regards,

— DV 12:13, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for setting up the dispute resolution page. I'll start gathering material for the "Statement by DV" section for submission later on today. — DV 13:55, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your thoughtful advice, The bellman. I replied to your comments on the Dispute resolution page. Thanks again for taking time away from the news for this matter. — DV 06:46, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

About Dan100
I have no argument with Dan100 and he owes me nothing. But thank you very much for the inquiry, The bellman. I appreciate any effort at mediation and cooperation and will do my best to offer the same to my associates. --HiFlyer 15:35, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Info for Baxter photos?
Bellman,

Can you provide more info for the Baxter photos you've added into commons? It says 'public domain'. Do we need to attribute someone? There is no other info. eg used as  in Protesters arrive at Baxter detention centre in Australian desert.

I read a note of yours somewhere explaining some images came from indymedia and had been approved by their owners. Are these images from the same batch? To ensure they don't get deleted at some point by vigorous Commons admins, it would be nice to add a little explanatory history note to them.

Simeon 12:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Australian Current Events
I just created a Australian Current Events page and figured I would tell someone from Australia. You were the first on the list. congrats, mate. 132.159.147.99 16:21, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Categories
This message is being given to several people, so please forgive the formality.

I've created a list of categories that must be included in ALL articles to ensure the DPL system works correctly. Adding the revlevent categories from this list will ensure complete site-wide relevent article listing. It is located at User:CGorman/Categories and you can easily cut & paste out of it. I urge frequent writers to bookmark this page to help save themselves time with categorization. Thanks for your attention. → CGorman (Talk)  19:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Do as Jesus would have done ;)
Yes im very trigger happy - i only realised afterwards. You see, when i come to wikinews i start at the bottom of the recent changes page and work upwards. → CGorman (Talk)  11:57, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Country of the Week
Hey, i've changed the format and rules of Country of the Week a little bit to make the whole process more welcoming and indeed simple. Hope you find it so.

Don't forget that Norway is the current country of the week, we've 3 stories so far. → CGorman (Talk)  20:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Simeon's changes
As you have probably noticed, Simeon is intent on competely re-writing almost all the Wikinews namespace articles. I object to this on a number of fronts: there's no consensus for such changes, the pages have existed as they were for a long time which I believe is a sign the community accepts them as they are; the existing pages have all been carefully written and constructed by several editors to be the best they can be; and Simeon's changes are to make them grossly longer and harder to read. And I must be honest - a couple of the pages were written by me. I obviously don't mind people altering them, but I do object to them being destroyed. Dan100 (Talk) 08:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Country of the Week
This weeks country of the week is Bhutan (yes, the one you voted for). As we are in a new week, you are entitled to vote again for another country. → CGorman (Talk)  21:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

oil graphs
Thanks for edits, those are oil graphs showing the oil price problemPaulrevere2005 11:57, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Letter to the editor
Last Fridays edition of The Economist magazine had a major story about the future of journalism, intrigingly it mentioned wikipedia.org in very favourably terms but did not mention us. This provides an excellent chance to write a letter to the editor about Last Fridays edition of The Economist magazine had a major story about the future of journalism, intrigingly it mentioned wikipedia.org in very favourably terms but did not mention us. This provides an excellent chance to write a letter to the editor about Wikinews. I am asking a few people to do this before thursday afternoon (5/6pm) in the belief that if they receive several letters about wikinews, they will publish at least one. I have already sent a letter (email). The Economist sells on average 1 million copies a week - thats a lot of readers, so this is worth our while.

To do:

 * Read the article (or at least the relevent part) at: Click here
 * Write a short email in the form:
 * Sir -
 * (your text),
 * (Your name)
 * (your town and country)
 * (space)
 * (Your postal address)

 * Send it to letters@economist.com
 * Delete this message.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, this is just a request, not a demand, don't feel underpressure. (p.s. don't quote our article count, as i've already done that and it would look suspicious if they received several similier emails on the same day). → CGorman (Talk)  21:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Country of the Week
Hey, I just had a quick question. You changed all the wikilinks on the Bhutan/IT article to links to the categories here. Is that a new convention since I was last really active? I normally use the wikilinks as a way to expand to more information, which is useful to readers, especially when some countries may not have categories yet. Just wondering - I don't particulary care, but I personally think the link to a wikipedia article is a bit more useful. Lyellin 03:31, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Australasia + Melanesia + Micronesia + Polynesia = Oceania
A (very) quick look at Wikipedia indicates that Australasia is a sub region of Oceania (wow an Irish fella given an Aussia a geo lesson on Australia!). When Wikinews was set up, someone (not me!) decided to create categories for virtually all countries, regions and islands by copying Wikipedias geographical cats system. Looking back this seems to have been a mistake as it has resulted in hundreds of empty cats... never the less its probably best to keep Australasia and its like for the time being because as we grow im sure we will find a use for it. (hope you understood all that)

Taking Name2 as the catagory you wish to create you add Catagory:Name2  (without the spaces) to the bottom of the relevent page (i.e. a story relating to Name2), then to make this catagory a sub catagory of an existing catagory you follow the red link to Catagory:Name2 and add  Catagory:Name1  to the page. Might sound confusing, but in practice it is'nt; try it out a couple of times. If you fuck up just delete your mess; your an admin ain't you. → CGorman (Talk)  15:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

You are a gentleman and a scholar
I wasn't sure if it would seem redundant with the link, but I see your point for North Carolina - I couldn't even find a map of the US to show where it was.

However, could we use our judgment for cities which are famous around the world? For example, even on the backroads of China, I have found that everyone knows where Las Vegas is, so I'm comfortable with a guideline of linking the first instance of that location to our Category page, with a link label containing the name of the city. I think this guideline should apply to other first-tier cities such as Beijing, Paris, New York, and London as well. What do you think?

I'll be sure to note the country for all second-tier cities and less notable states in the future, but I don't want to patronize the reader by pointing out the country for locations that almost anyone would recognize.

Looking forward, believe it or not, there is a third finger story brewing - a gentleman in Ohio found a slice of finger in his sandwich, so I'm scanning for tips on three different finger stories at the moment. Perhaps we need a "finger-lickin' good" category? — DV 12:39, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I was in a hurry, and looking for a segué. Will try to recast... (in light of morning and all that) - Amgine/talk 12:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Back?
Is this your triumphant return to Wikinews? We need you! - Borofkin 04:56, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

East Timor
The article is fine exempt for one thing - sources. Both sources are ABC - as a rule o thumb all articles published on the main page most have at least 3 different sources (unless its original reporting). I've added two more, BBC and Reuters, so the article is fine now. I've also created the East Timor Cat and added it to Article distribution. Oh, and welcome back! → CGorman (Talk)  11:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Im quick
The CSO report is the articles first source! → CGorman (Talk)  12:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Can you take a look
at this please, and perhaps make some comments? I appealed for comments on the same issue a few weeks back but only recieved a limited response :-( Dan100 (Talk) 17:38, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RSS and DPL
It's a Blogger blog, and I use their 'BlogThis' bookmarklet. I open the page I want to feed, click BT - which automatically links the title of the page as the content of the post - and then click publish.

My procedure each time I do an update is to look at the feed myself to see where I last got to, then just start opening every story since then and blog it turn (using my own 'main page', basically just the Latest news template with an external refresh link). Due to this, I at least 'see' every story on the site, which why you'll often see me adjusting date formatting etc - I see them all!

I do this at least once a day, but quite often more frequently.

The problem with DPLs is that it scrambles the order of stories. So when I come back, I find it very hard it hard to see what's new as they're all mixed up. It would be hard to even find where I'd last got to, let alone work out which stories are new, and which are already-blogged ones that have been edited since I last checked, and have floated up on the list.

There's two ways this could be side-stepped: I could wait until the next day to do an update, by which point we'd be on a new day and I could do the last day in one go safe in the knowledge nothing new is going to be added. That, of course, would add quite a delay to the RSS feed being updated from the time a story is published, which wouldn't be great as we often quite behind the news of the world anyway.

The second would be to change the colour of the visited links into something I can see. I honestly did not know visited links are a different colour - I'm slightly colourblind, have difficulty distinguishing colours of similar shades. I did try editing my monobook.css to make visited links something easy to see (eg black!), but couldn't get it to work. But even if someone else did manage it, it would be a bit of a bummer for me - I'd have to blog stories the first time I open them, else the effect is lost. I often like to edit stories before I put them on the RSS.

I must say though, I've always held back this argument about the RSS back in discussions about DPLs on the main page on the previous occasions it's been discussed. I honestly believe the bigger problem is that everyone visiting the will experience the same problem. Yes, only about 10% of people are colourblind but we should bot be neglecting them, and even for the ones who can see the visited links it's still not very good - not everyone reads every story, for example, and anyway how many news sites list their latest stories by the colour of the link, instead of their order in the list?! It's just too "non-standard".

Yeah, this issue also applies to our region/topic sub-pages. However the use of DPLs was the result of considering the costs and the benefits. We trialled it for a month or so on South America before I rolled it out across the rest. We came to the conclusion that sub-pages that didn't always list stories in the right order was better than ones that didn't list new stories at all! Only a very few of the sub-pages were being updated manually, and even then it was sporadic. (I'd like to point out though that I did consult with the people who were doing this before DPL'ing the pages they were looking after - I only installed DPLs with their permission.)

I believe the only solution to this problem is to get DPLs to list stories by the time the category was added. We basically need to be very nice to the likes of Ilya, Amgine, and Eloquence, who I'm sure could get it going. Then we'd need to get approval from Brion - he's not going to run anything on the site he doesn't trust, quite rightly!

Phew, sorry for the essay, I hope you find it insightful! Dan100 (Talk) 09:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * PS The RSS has always shown strong growth. It's now up to 1,200 readers - we gain about 100 readers every ten days. I think why the RSS is growing better than our Alexa traffic rank could be connected - people come and sign up to the RSS, then don't return to the site!

However, having written all that, looking at the water cooler the issue seems to have died down for a bit, and I'd rather let sleeping dogs lie for now. I hope it was vaguely interesting anyway! It was good to write down my reasoning in a comprehensive manner, and could be useful for future reference! Dan100 (Talk) 10:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RSS 2
After that, I'm starting a new section! Easier to deal with.

First - Amgine is a bloke :-). Second - the built-in RSS feed. There's two problems with it, one major, the second show-stopper. The first is that it lists articles by time of last edit, like DPLs, so if someone edits an article from three months ago it's suddenly "latest news"... hmmm. (It did sort by time category addition briefly, but then didn't... I mailed the guy who wrote it and apparently that was the 'broken' version - he'd been paid by some company running MediaWiki to write it.) The big problem though is that the extension doesn't work at all with MediaWiki 1.5, which is going to be installed imminently. So unless someone re-writes the whole thing from scratch to work with 1.5, it's going to die. (There's some other small bugs with it too, like the 'author' field.)

If it did work properly, then yeah, I'd let it replace my feed - happily in fact. I'd probably like to see us keep the Feedburner address for it though - it wouldn't be too clever to ask 1,200+ people to change address. Dan100 (Talk) 13:19, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

An invitation
I'm attempting to start up a new edition of Wikinews, one with a simpler user contributions system at Wikinews/Start a new edition. The goals of this project would be to simplify the process of submitting articles such that anyone with no knowledge of the Mediawiki software or the Wikimedia projects culture can easily understand and submit an article, and immediately see it on the main page developing articles section.

If you would be interested in supporting this project I would be pleased if you would sign up at the Meta page.

Future talk 2
Hello, I would like to invite you to attend our second future talk, it will be held on Monday, August 1 at 21:00 UTC. It will be held on the Wikinews IRC channel #wikinews For more information please see the page on meta The main topics will be audio Wikinews, WNN and portals/neighborhoods It would be great if you will be able to attend. --Cspurrier 15:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

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High-speed train derailment in central Queensland (Australia)

128 people have been injured, 5 seriously so, in a high-speed train derailment in central Queensland. Police said the came off the tracks near  (about 400  north of ) at 12.06am.

Queensland Transport Minister visited the site, and reported that the  recording device on board the train would be sent back to Brisbane for analysis, in order to determine the cause of the accident.

and CEO Bob Scheuber said that there were no current plans to halt other tilt train services. "That will depend entirely on the investigators, they've not made any recommendations yet — some of them are still arriving. If they recommend that that is the course of action, then of course it would be suspended," Mr Beattie was quoted as saying.

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 * where to find: Template messages

TODO: http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/kuwait/Viewdet.asp?ID=9548&cat=a Boud 23:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Saddam Hussein profited roughly 1B by taking funds from UN program

Investigators said that Saddam Hussein diverted money from the Oil-for-Food Program to pay millions of dollars to families of suicide bombers from the West Bank and Gaza Strip who carried out attacks on Israeli civilians.

Paul Volcker, a former American official investigating the diverted funds scandal, has taken some heat from advocates demanding that he haul United Nations personnel before the US Congress. His reason for not subjecting them to this degree of open scrutiny is that it would have the perverse effect of pushing them into refusing to cooperate with the investigation at all. He plans to release documentary evidence early next year, when his investigation is complete.


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Latin American Drug dealer Beira-Mar's lawyers arrested

Two lawyers of accused drug dealer Luiz Fernando da Costa (also known as Fernando Beira-Mar) were arrested Sunday November 14 in a restaurant located at Rio de Janeiro city in Brazil. They have been accused of bribing Brazilian federal police officers.

Luiz Fernando da Costa, known as Fernando Beira-Mar or Fernandinho Beira-Mar, is one of the biggest drug dealers of Latin America according to police. Beira-Mar was arrested by the Colombian army at April 20-21, 2001, in a FARC camp located at a forest near Colombia and Venezuela and then transferred to Brazil where he is been in prison until now.

According to officers the lawyers had offered R$200,000 (US$71,658.9) to police officers asking them to release Marcos José Monteiro Carneiro, another man accused of being a drug dealer.


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Wikinews:Digital Divide

Wikinews cannot claim to be a project for the whole world, by the whole world, of the whole world, unless we seriously tackle the digital divide. It is not enough to wait for governments and corporations to make empty promises, nor to make empty promises ourselves!

Local desire
There is no point trying to impose internet access and Wikinews on people in places where these are not present. However, we do know of poor places in the world where local people have started to organise their own wiki-like or Indymedia-like news services. Some examples - please add to this list:

 * http://ambazonia.indymedia.org - Ambazonia in Africa
 * Mailing list (non-public, unfortunately): http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-ambazonia
 * General Indymedia Africa discussions - http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-africa

The above are some points of contact so that you can't say but we don't know anyone in those countries or they don't have internet access, so we have to impose decisions on them without their participation in the decisions, because they cannot, technically speaking, participate

Example project
The project would aim to:
 * Finance 1000 permanent broadband access connections to 1000 villages and city locations in that region, with a public access internet place with at least 3-4 GNU/Linux machines in each place
 * Startup cost: hardware = 4000 * 800 euros (machines which can also function as servers for local wikis, email servers etc) = 3,200,000 euros
 * Typical cost per year assuming prices 5 times higher than in USA/Europe = 1000 * 300 euros/year = 300,000 euros
 * Total Budget Estimate = 3.3 million euros during first year, or else 5 million euros would finance start up and internet access for about 6 years assuming local machines are kept in running condition or else replaced independently of Wikimedia resources.
 * make sure that these 1000 locations are distributed among government controlled areas, opposition controlled areas, and places which are independent from both
 * ensure some process so that people going to these internet places are secure and can contribute anonymously but with "nicknames" (nicks) - how to do this process is not obvious: unless the locals want it and believe it to be secure, it would not work
 * ensure that there are meta-processes, e.g. via wiki discuss pages, so that people from the 1000 places can constructively communicate together (not just with people a long way from the events actually happening), avoid sterile edit wars, etc.
 * Ensure that these places do not end up being dominated by an elite - surely poor people should have the same human rights (e.g. to not be killed) as rich people
 * for example, sociocological barriers would have to be overcome, for example so that dark-skinned people (seen as inferior in many countries around the world) or women or whatever socially disadvantaged group have sufficient access in order to correct what they perceive as false reports on events
 * be willing to support the safety of the local people participating - who will increase their risks of:
 * being imprisoned or killed by local government or opposition groups
 * being killed by USA/UK/France armed forces
 * having their internet connection cut off
 * losing their jobs
 * being labelled as traitors or terrorists
 * possible ways of support include front page stories whenever local wikinews-ists are threatened, proposals of actions at local embassies or against, e.g., the USA/UK/France governments when they are involved in killing locals or repressing local free speech

Strategy
Would it be better to aim at a wide project over many parts of the world or rather start with a small example region in order to have more chance of success and afterwards gain more popular support for a clearly successful project?

Arguments in favour of a small region

 * By having a massive number of Wikinews cafes in a small country or a small region of a large country (like India), there would be more chance of reaching a sufficiently diverse range of the population that they would be forced to compare and contrast their different versions of the news. Experience on wikipedia, where decisions on what is NPOV affect people much less directly than when reporting news events, is that once a sufficient number of people of diverse backgrounds, activities gets involved, the quality of the articles goes up considerably. In debates about which ethnic or demographic group is doing what to what other group, for example, the dominant group will generally say, our point of view is neutral, these others don't know what they're talking about, they can't speak properly, they are ignorant of the facts, they are just saying propaganda, .... And the dominant groups are generally the ones who best speak English or ... other European languages. The most oppressed groups - whose news we should hear a lot of if we really want news from the whole world - often only speak a very local language, and often have high illiteracy rates, let alone internet access.
 * It would be easier to find a group of locals who want to try the project in a small, specific area.
 * It would probably be easier to raise funds from wikireaders for a concrete project where it's known that there's a local group interested in trying it and where it seems feasible.

Arguments against having a single small region

 * If only one small region is chosen, there would be a big risk that this is claimed as either supporting a pro-USA region or an anti-USA region, etc. etc.
 * Choosing 2-3 regions (e.g. one in Central Asia, one in sub-saharan Africa) would minimise this risk.
 * There could be jealousies, political rivalry etc in choosing the region.

Arguments in favour of a big region

 * Well human rights are global, so EVERYONE has rights to them, not just those who happen to be lucky enough to fall in some random area. The bellman 08:55, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Sure, but wikimedia does not have a $500 billion budget. Maybe in five-ten year's time we will (this would require a lot of continued adaptability and self-organising, but exponential growth is exponential growth: it could happen...). But not in 2005. By starting in some small region first, and showing that it's effective, there's more chance that people would donate a lot more and then a global project could become practical. Boud 12:39, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Pope John Paul II meets Iraq's Ambassador

Comprehensiveness
Was there any discussion about copyright status of the source from which this article quotes in bulk? The web page does not bear any copyright notice, and some other pages within the same site do have copyright notice. That could be a sign that the Pope's speech/letter is not under copyright protection? Tomos 22:25, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Pope John Paul II meets Iraq's Ambassador

Pope John Paul II has received Mr. Albert Edward Ismail Yelda, Iraq's ambassador today. During the meeting the Pope has expressed wishes for the reconstruction of Iraq, as a democratic state, with tolerance to minorities:

''"Iraq is currently in the throes of the difficult process of transition from a totalitarian regime to the formation of a democratic State in which the dignity of each person is respected and all citizens enjoy equal rights. Authentic democracy is possible "only in a State ruled by law", and requires that "the necessary conditions be present for the advancement both of the individual through education and formation in true ideals, and ... through the creation of structures of participation and shared responsibility" (...) ''"The struggle to overcome the challenges brought about by poverty, unemployment and violence is also currently faced by Iraq. May your government work untiringly to settle disputes and conflicts through dialogue and negotiation, having recourse to military force only as a last resort. Accordingly, it is essential that the State, with the assistance of the International Community, promote mutual understanding and tolerance among its various ethnic and religious groups. This will enable the people of the region to create an environment that is not only committed to justice and peace but is also capable of sustaining the necessary economic growth and development integral for the well-being of your citizens and the country itself."''


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Wikinews talk:Mission statement

(preliminary exchange of remarks)
Boud wrote:

In the case of news, this problem becomes much worse than for the wikipedia, since the need for many years of studying in a subject becomes greatly reduced: news about human rights violations do not need much level of education - the right to not be imprisoned for one's political opinions, the right to not be tortured nor killed - only need honest witnesses.

But again, even among those people who do have internet access, those who have the best access and who can best argue their point are not always those who suffer most and whose stories need most urgently to be made known to the rest of us.

One possibility for wikinews is to closely cooperate with indymedia - in which local autonomy and local, open public meetings by grassroots groups which have direct access to first-hand information are keys to getting news reports from people with only moderate or indirect internet access.

As of 2004, Indymedia autonomous groups have so far only been very weakly operating in Africa and in most of Asia.

If wikinews is to really have any chance of the whole world being able to write news, then we are going to have to be ambitious and, for example, finance massive programs of hardware + GNU/linux training for people throughout Africa and Asia.

And, for example, also in places like Haiti where a democratically elected president was allegedly removed from the country by US forces|.

If the majority of people in Haiti, not just the richest ones, had access to the internet and used wikinews, then it would be much more likely that the version of news about Haiti represents a consensus mostly (but not completely) decided by the various groups of people who live there, simply because as the people most motivated by the reports on news stories, they would be most motivated to correct errors on reports on the (alleged) continuing massacres of members and supporters of the majority political party by the government, which is supported by the governments of several of two of the countries of people who most contribute to the wikipedia (USA, France).

While wikinews should avoid most of the filters discussed in Herman and Chomsky's propaganda model, i.e. should be more neutral than any mainstream medium, it retains the filter that the people filing reports or correcting news items are still, as of 2004, strictly speaking a minority much less than 10%, and in practice are probably limited to a much smaller minority of those with the best internet access.

Any constructive suggestions for overcoming this are welcome.

This is all interesting, but it is 1) a Wikimedia-wide issue, not just for Wikinews, 2) decidedly POV, 3) turning into a rant. I don't think it belongs into the mission statement proper.--Eloquence

 * 1) True that it's a wikimedia-wide issue, but it's more important for "news" than for encyclopedia articles: many people are directly qualified to report on specific cases of what is important for a specific bunch of a people (themselves) at a specific time in a specific place - but are less qualified to make generalisations and describe patterns, which is the sort of knowledge expected in an encyclopedia.

 * 2) Some people who contribute to wikipedia think very idealistically independently of reality and ignore the fundamental question of where first-hand sources of information come from - if you think the Haiti example is POV, then correct the POV bits of the various Haiti articles; if you think the Herman/Chomsky empirical research behind their propaganda model is wrong, then show alternative research or show why their research was badly done - the intention of wikipedia is, of course, fantastic, and wikinews is also very ambitious, but the fundamental weak point ought to be made much more obvious, IMHO.

 * 3) wikinews is going to look naive and silly if we do not openly and obviously state that the digital divide is a major weakness and we would like to tackle it. You may call it a rant, but i call it being ambitious about our mission (otherwise how can we have a mission statement). Boud 02:57, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * But i think your changes were more or less reasonable :) - i've just put in a few links directly to the digital divide page. Boud 03:03, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(photographers?)
-Will there be any role for photographers in the future of wikinews? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.64.235.252 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 29 November 2004

How much on digital divide to be in mission statement?
As of Revision as of 01:33, 23 Nov 2004, Jimbo Wales removed the section:
 * We realize that the people on this planet who most suffer are, generally, but not always, those who have the poorest access to the Internet. The user base of the Wikipedia, for example, is much wider and more participative than any other encyclopedia, but it is still strongly biased in favour of what is still a small minority: much less than 50% of us have access to the internet. This is an issue, called the digital divide, that we will seek to address within the broader Wikimedia framework.

but he left in place other elements NPOVing on the same issue, so i guess we only differ in the degree to which this needs to be emphasised. It's also true that the feedback structure and NPOV culture and general mechanisms of the wikipedia make the power of the majority much more sensitive to minorities, so that even if minorities (in terms of internet access, but huge majorities in terms of number of people) are really tiny minorities in terms of wikipedia work, they can still have a big corrective effect if their arguments are rational and clear and backed up by credible sources. And that's probably too complicated to sum up neatly in a short paragraph. So, i guess after a bit of reflection, i agree with you, jimbo :). Anyway, let's hope that we can do something real about the digital divide, and not just argue about it... Boud 11:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Simple mission?
It may be helpful to have a single sentence (or phrase) or phrase that reflects the news philopsphy of organization in addition to a more lengthy explainer. Our Mission Statement Should — Inspired by Strategic Communications for Nonprofit Organizations: Seven Steps to Creating a Successful Plan, by Janel M. Radtke.
 * Express Wikinews' purpose in a way that inspires support and ongoing
 * Motivate those who contribute
 * Be articulated in a way that is convincing and easy to grasp
 * Use proactive verbs to describe what we do
 * Be free of jargon
 * Be short enough so that anyone connected to the organization can readily recall its main principles

Examples from other news providers (historic and present):
 * New York TImes: ''All the news that's fit to print'
 * Chicago Times, 1861: It's a newspaper's duty to print the news, and raise hell
 * News Corporation: Just as our assets span the world, our vision spans art and humor, audacity and compassion, information and innovation – whether in an American television series, an Indian game show, an Australian newspaper, an English sports broadcast or an international box-office hit.
 * National News Centre: To enhance the quality of life of the military community and contribute to the operational readiness and effectiveness of the Canadian Forces (CF).
 * WDUN-AM radio: We desire to exceed both the expectations and requirements of our listeners by providing them with the finest in broadcast excellence, regardless of their choice of programming. We want every person who tunes in to one of our stations to hear the finest professional sound backed by our integrity and reliability.
 * WorldTribune.com : This newspaper exists because we believe the world's most influential nation is poorly served by U.S.media outlets that focus on domestic political and cultural issues to the exclusion of relevant news affecting the other five-and-a-half billion people in the world. The Internet is perhaps the most obvious facilitator of an increasingly global economy and culture.

 * Davodd, I think that you make a good point: there is a difference between a Mission and a Mission Statement: the current page is the mission, but we might want a shorter to make our goals more easy to understand. My suggestion is: To present up-to-date, relevant, newsworthy information without bias, and to allow citizen journalists to contibute to the collection and analysis of such information. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:23, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

a (non-trivial) copyedit/rewrite
Follwing Edbrown's lead, i started trying to "trim some fat" on this page, but soon ended up making some non-trivial changes. since this is a mission statement, thought i shld post it here to let others take a dekko first, before making the changes. if people want a diff, then it can be arranged. :]

anyway, here goes... Doldrums 08:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

 * P.S. i think we should plug NPOV a little more. it's a significant attribute, esp. in today's media landscape.

To present up-to-date, relevant, newsworthy and entertaining content without bias
Wikinews promotes the idea of participatory jounalism because of the belief that citizens know what is news like no others. You are invited to join in this effort, and share news that is of interest to you.

The Wikinews project is a free content news source of the Wikimedia where everyone is invited to contribute reports about events large and small, either from direct experience, or compiled from other sources. Wikinews seeks to build a unique news environment to enrich the media landscape.

Wikinews will be useful even if it starts by having few original reports—because it will provide free, neutral, integrated summaries of the news from elsewhere. It is useful even if the range of subjects covered is not complete—because what is coverd, benefit from the collaborative wiki model. Wikinews will grow to become more useful every day.

While Wikinews aims to be a useful resource by itself, it will also serve other independent media outfits by providing a high quality news-feed free of charge, becoming an alternative to proprietary news agencies like the Associated Press or Reuters. Thanks to copyleft, anyone will be able to create their own free news source—even a non-neutral one—on the basis of this work.

Wikinews has adopted the key principles that made Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia websites what they are today: neutral, free content and open decision-making processes.

language of "mission statement"
The following statement is found at the bottom of each Wikinews Print Edition: "About Wkinews We are a group of volunteer journalists whose mission is to create a diverse community where citizens from around the globe (including you) can collaborate to report the news on a wide variety of current events. By making our content perpetually available for free redistribution and use, we hope to contribute to a global digital commons." The wording looks pretty clean. -Edbrown05 03:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

copyleft?
This page describes Wikinews as a "copyleft" project:

"'Thanks to copyleft, anyone can create their own free news source—even a non-neutral one—on the basis of this work.'"

Only it's not, wikinews is a CC-BY project, without the requirement to ShareAlike.

I'm not a contributor so am I missing something here?

If I'm right, please fix, for example replacing the above with:

"Thanks to its content being freely licensed, anyone can use it as a source, or create their own news source - even a non-neutral one - on the basis of this work."

--Solstag (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Shortcut
We might consider making a WN:MS shortcut to this. Thanks. --Gryllida 10:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I see this mission statement, in its current form, as an historical curiosity, a snapshot of early thoughts about where Wikinews might be going in the future. As a description of the living project today, bits of it are very off-key.  I mostly just avoid this page; I've no interest in creating links to it, which is what a shortcut exists to facilitate.

 * If we were going to start aggressively linking to it, I'd want to fix the off-key bits... and who has time to work out which phrasing would want tweaking and how to tweak it, then decide what sort of consensus might be called for and pursue that? --Pi zero (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

copyedit required
I did some routine copyediting of some major problems that nobody will probably object to, but i didn't dare to be bold in fixing the clunky and non sequitur ending:

''There are many challenges. Wikinews adopted the key principles that made Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia websites what they are today: neutral, free content and open decision-making processes.''

Is this perhaps what was meant?:

There are many challenges, but Wikinews is confident it will meet them successfully by adhering to the key principles that made Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia websites what they are today: neutral point of view, free content, and the open decision-making process.

Since experienced Wikipedia editors know about its five pillars and many have heard of Wikimedia's 6 values and even 6 (other) founding priniples, it's not a good idea to imply that there are only "3 key principles" and not even mention that there are others. --Espoo (talk) 09:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Experienced Wikipedia editors who assume they know how Wikinews works often get off on the wrong foot here, because Wikinews is not Wikipedia. Even our NPOV policy is different from Wikipedia's.  See also WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing (there are seven of them).  --Pi zero (talk) 10:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * 1) It's always a good idea to welcome new contributors. I also see you aren't aware that Wikinews:Policies and guidelines even says "please do not bite newbies, and always show respect and kindness". I find it hard to believe you saw no merit in any of my edits. I have the feeling you didn't even bother to check what happened in which edit and instead simply threw the baby out with the bathwater in reverting everything.
 * 2) I didn't assume anything, on the contrary. It's quite hilarious that you claim that of someone who you know spent a lot of time reading and thinking about the mission statement. Not many newbie editors read the policies and mission statements at all. I also took a look at the policies and guideline. I noticed there were grammatical, semantic, and even logical problems and missing important links in the mission statement and i fixed those. The only reason i referred to Wikipedia is because the Wikinews mission statement does so (and does so confusingly and illogically, as explained above).
 * 3) I will proceed to redo in small steps what i as a professional copyeditor would call a routine basic cleanup and will wait for your reaction to each step and its edit explanation to see if you agree. If you find more than one edit when you come back, please judge each edit separately.
 * 4) I'm still waiting for your reaction to my suggestion on how to fix the most embarrassing problem, the clunky and non sequitur ending. --Espoo (talk) 16:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I was polite and reserved in my initial response; you showed evidence of a number of incautious assumptions, and I merely provided you with some information. Your response above is hostile, arrogant, and contains various false assertions/accusations.  News requires caution and precision in such things.  --Pi zero (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I'd like to apologize since you feel what i said was hostile and arrogant. I felt your initial response was cold and rude since it was combined with a revert of all my edits (even those consisting of pure corrections of language errors) and with the claim that i was a confused Wikipedian who hadn't made an effort to understand how Wikinews works, so i may have overreacted, but i was merely trying to defend myself and my edits.
 * I asked you to consider the merits of each edit separately and you instead again undid several at once, including ones that corrected clear grammar and other language errors that you've now put back. Do you really disagree with these purely grammar corrections? Please click on "undo" for individual edits, not several at once, thank you. --Espoo (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * My initial comment was intended to provide information, pointing out a potential trap, without committing on whether or not you'd actually fallen into that trap. I didn't say you had, after all.  Though your edits and comments suggested it was, either way, worthwhile to highlight the existence of the trap.

 * A limitation of the wiki software is that if you make an edit, and then make another edit sufficiently close to it, there's no way to revert the first edit without also reverting the second. This is another form of the same phenomenon that causes "edit conflicts" when you try to submit an edit to something that someone else has changed since you started editing it.  Of the most recent two edits, I didn't really have the option to consider the second independent of the first.  --Pi zero (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I don't understand what you're saying. It seems you were unhappy with the 17:09 edit ("because of the belief that..." would mean this is a generally accepted belief. "based on the belief" would be a bit better but is less clear than "because it believes") but apparently didn't disagree with the 17:28 edit (grammar: commas shouldn't separate subjects from verbs/ "that" produces a restrictive clause, implying that there are other WMF news sources that don't seek etc./ "where" is incorrect). What happened or would have happened when you or if you had clicked on "undo" next to the 17:09 edit?

 * I just noticed that my attempt to fix the error of the restrictive clause ("that" produces a restrictive clause, implying that there are other WMF news sources that don't seek to provide content free of charge) but not change things as much as the first time backfired. It should of course read:

 * The Wikinews project is a  of the Wikimedia Foundation. It seeks to provide content free of charge and is a project to which everyone is invited to contribute reports about events large and small...

 * Using my original suggestion of taking the WMF out of the sentence (and at the end of the preceding paragraph) would of course be better:

 * Wikinews is a project of the Wikimedia Foundation.

 * The Wikinews project is a free content news source that seeks to provide content free of charge and that invites everyone to contribute reports about events large and small...

 * The error message when asking to undo the first edit without the second would have been (it's not hard to produce these)
 * The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits.
 * --Pi zero (talk) 19:49, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

 * "Wikinews' use extends beyond original reports, by providing free, neutral, integrated summaries of the news from elsewhere." is simply repeating what was already said before, and in a less logical way (Wikinews's "use"), and "from elsewhere" is very unclear. --Espoo (talk) 18:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Big Linux Beta 3 released

Big Linux 2.0 Beta 3 has been released. Big Linux is a Live Compact Disc Brazilian Linux distribution, based on Knoppix.

A Linux distribution is a software set with the Linux operating system and GNU software. The source code of Linux and GNU software is freely available and can be legally distributed among users. Big Linux is a Live Compact Disc version of Linux, which means it may run directly from the CD or optionally be installed on the hard disk. According to its developers, Big Linux aims to be easy to use and comes with many programs that are used by home users and offices. Some included programs are: KDE, Java, XMMS, Kaffeine, xine, Kopete, YES, XChat, Fullt, aMSN, the Windows runtime environments Wine and Cedega, the peer-to-peer applications xMule, BitTorrent and Apollon, OpenOffice.org, GIMP and AbiWord, the email clients Kmail and Thunderbird, and the internet browsers Mozilla and the proprietary Opera browser.

Some features of version 2.0 beta 3 are: 3 versions of the Linux kernel -- 2.4.25 (for those who use Winmodems), 2.4.27 (stable) and 2.6.8 (performance) --, automatic detection of printers, higher boot speed, complete system of network and servers and an automatic hardware detection mechanism. The graphical environment (known as X11) can have several configurations separated by kernel. In this way, the user can have an accelerated graphical environment configuration and an unaccelerated graphical environment configuration at the same time. If there is some trouble with the accelerated graphical environment configuration, this allows the user to switch to the unaccelerated one.

Big Linux can be downloaded without charge at Big Linux downloads. This distribution is primarily intended for Brazilian users, although anyone can use it.

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User talk:Carlosar~enwikinews

Hi,

thanks for working on so many articles. Please try to get some of them into the review stage, otherwise they might be lingering in development for too long. One issue with most of the pages you worked on: It would be helpful if you could cite the sources at the bottom more extensively, e.g. for a Reuters story, cite the title of the story and the date along with the link to the online copy. This is important because these websites take down their stories after a while, and without a headline and date, it becomes almost impossible to track them down.--Eloquence 03:14, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I will do that. I have put some empty articles because I wanted to stimulate new users. --carlosar Nov 16 23:16:26 UTC 2004

Topic pages
I created a section for "topic pages" on the main page and added one for MST/Brazil, if you'd like to start collecting all of thosearticles together. 68.85.91.55 01:31, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

finished edits on your article
Hey. I rewrote some more of your article. I hope I could help. I had never heard of the MST before, so was curious. Thanks for taking the time to get me some more information. jkrusky 03:07, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Help on an article
Carlosar, I could use your help on South American Community of Nations announced at Third South American Summit. This could be a long piece, but it begins to lose depth around "SACN is a more ambitious union than the previous Andean Community and Mercosur." 119 20:31, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I will take a look.--Carlosar 02:15, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please explain your comments re Honduran article?--Squeakfox 14:49, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just name your references. That is all. -- Carlosar 03:47, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I stomped on your edits to the FARC article.
I think I might have wiped out some of your references in your FARC article about Granda getting captured. I think I fixed it correctly, but if not, sorry about that. No harm intended. Pingswept 03:02, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok :) -- Carlosar 03:46, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Please do not blank pages
Thanks for taking an active interest in maintianing quality in Wikinews. I have been reverting some of your past edits. You have been blanking pages (erasing all content and saving the no-content page). This is not accepted Wikinews convention. In the future, if you do not like a page and think it should be removed, please list it here: WN:DR. -- Davodd | Talk 05:33, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Carlosar 09:01, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The stories were: Black Box Voting investigates allegations of election fraud in U.S. and Equifax claims '14 percent savings' with Windows Server over Linux. I unblanked them and listed both on WN:DR. -- Davodd | Talk 15:54, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I have deleted those pages because they were at the Deletion Request page. Those pages were voted as deleted(case I did no mistake). The Deletion Request page was abandoned and too heavy at that time, so I cleanned it a little, deleting old articles. Next time I will do as you suggest. Thanks. -- Carlosar 02:57, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I moved a page you were working on
I moved FARC-evidences to your personal notebook at User:Carlosar/FARC-evidences since it was a list of personal notes and wasn't a story unto itself. -- Davodd | Talk 15:54, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe the page should be part of the Talk page. I think it would be more appropriate since I will not be working with this subject forever. -- Carlosar
 * If you want this on a talk page, you can cut and paste the content there. When you want your notebook page deleted, just type on the page to alert an administrator. -- Davodd | Talk 01:37, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Carlosar 02:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * What do we do when a Talk Page becomes big? The browser cannot support a very big page.--Carlosar 02:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reorganized South America and Central America
Hi! Since you frequently write articles about South America and Central America, I wanted to let you know that I've reorganized the way the pages work a bit. Until there are more editors working from those countries, there's only one place for latest news for those countries, in addition to the main homepage latest news — South America/Latest News. By adding news to that page, you get the news listed on all the category pages for all the countries in South America, and the South America page as well (though sometimes the cache needs purging). I've been following the guideline of "7 days or 7 articles, whichever is greater" per category. So "Politics and conflicts" on that page would list either the last seven days worth events, or if there isn't seven days worth of events then the last 7 links. Easy to remember, I hope.

Anyway, please take a look and let me know what you think. I've also added Central America and Central America/Latest News (which gets included in the same way). -- IlyaHaykinson 10:22, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * It is a good idea. I will try to understand how it works.Thanks. -- Carlosar 10:45, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool! For editing the actual news, don't edit the template — edit South America/Latest News instead. -- IlyaHaykinson 10:48, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you please show me how it works with a example? Move some page to there. I have added an article but I am not sure if I did it right. -- Carlosar 10:50, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just look at the contents of the South America/Latest News page. The '|Blah= are sections, and the content underneath is where you'd add stories. -- IlyaHaykinson 11:24, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you are still misunderstanding the correct place to add stories — on the South America page there is an [ edit ] link at the bottom right which should take you to South America/Latest news where you can add the * Jan. 17: link to story . I've just added Colombia releases official notice in response to Venezuela there so you can see what it looks like. Does this make sense? -- IlyaHaykinson 00:48, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was a little confused. I think I know how it works now. Thanks. -- Carlosar 01:02, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lula article from Jan. 20
Re: this article

Hmm, I'd take out the extra information in that graf, since it doesn't have bearing on Lula's relationship with Castro. In fact, it'd probably be a good idea to take it out of this article for now and save it for another article, one more focused on Lula's relationship with the press and/or civil liberties.

BTW, thanks for your continuing coverage of South America. We very rarely get to hear news about your part of the world in the United States.
 * Thank you. I agree with about the article. We could write another more detailed one.
 * What do you think about this article? Is it finished? Does it have some problem? Is the extra information too big? -- Carlosar 01:33, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Changed your POV Headline - "Bush stands against tyranies"
Your move to a new headline was POV since it took a side. I changed it to a neutral headline. -- Davodd | Talk 11:31, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

hey, re: WSF
I have this idea, where by articles from the same event should all be in the same article, and would like to try it out with WSF articles. I'm going to move the main article to 2005 World Social Forum, and then create within that a subsection called 2005 World Social Forum, which i will link to from the main page as The World Social Forum kicks off in Porto Alegre. Then i will write another section below that which is a summary of the first day. If you have strong objections to this experiment please feel free to revert it back into seperate articels; after all we are in beta, so we can still experiment with different ways of doing things. ~
 * You could write a separate article describing the event across the days. This article would not have a specific date. There is a problem when you think changing the original article 2005 World Social Forum in Porto Alegre; the problem is nobody will see it. The most of people read the article once and they don't return to that article again. Also, if we start doing a lot of changes in an article, the people will not have too much trust in that article (that is what I think). So I think we should write a separate article and the people must be warned that the article is going to change and that it is a dynamic coverup of an event. -- Carlosar 23:47, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, i dont think i explained what i was doing very well. Sorry. I'll try again. Ok, under my proposal, the articles would be exactly the same as they are normaly. The text would be exactly the same, and all that would be different would be that they have a different namespace. Instead of [en.wikinews.org/wiki/foobar] it would be [en.wikinews.org/wiki/foo#bar]. It would be linked to from the mainpage in exactly the same way as it is normaly (ie. each new article would get a new link from the mainpage. Unless you click view source, you wouldnt know it was any different. Now i'll explain the advantages.

 * With certain titles of events that regularly reoccur such as American soldiers being killed in Iraq, Palistinian suicide bombings, Israeli incursions into the west bank, Sharks eating people off the south Austrlaian coast, Crocs eating tourists in Kakadu etc. etc. we will quickly run out of Namespace. There can only ever be one article called Croc eats tourist in Kakadu. That means the next time the same thing happens we will have to come up with a different title. Slowly the titles will get longer and longer and less like headlines. In three years from now it will have to be croc eats a bavarian tourist in Kakadu National Park, 250 kms from Darwin. Then in 6 years when a croc eats another german tourist in Kakadu (it happens far more often than you may think) it will have to be Croc eats a bavarian tourist named Jens in Kakadu National Park, in the Northern Teritory of Australia, 250 kms from Darwin. And as time goes on the Headline will get longer and longer and less and less like a headline, simply cause all the good headlines have all ready been taken. Now with my Idea, we seperate the idea of namespace (the actual URL of the story) and the headline. The headline would be the section heading (note: this is an or in wikimarkup thats two equal signs ==foo==, any other heading (like references or whatever) we'd use or three equal signs ===foo=== ). So the headline could still be Croc eats tourist in Kakadu even though the URL was longer.
 * With events like the WSF it will be an awesome tool for researchers (wikipedians included) because it would colate all the articles about one event together, so that one could see the changes over time. Also, as a general rule once a new section (article) is added the articles above would not be allowed to be edited (except for typos and perhaps a special updates subsection).
 * It would make things easier to organise and search through for researchers and wikinews editors.
 * It would be easy for someone who read the 3rd article in a set, to become intersted in the content and go back and look at the previous articles for further background.
 * NB: linking to [en.wikinews.org/wiki/WSF 2005#3rd day of WSF wraps up] will take you to the specific section/article rather than the top of the WSF page.
 * I'm going to leave the WSF articles as they are, but im going to move them all to my user pages to make a mock up of my proposal. paz y amor.

The bellman 11:49, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think we should call "2005 World Social Forum in Porto Alegre" instead of just "2005 World Social Forum" because there is the another Forum in Davos. -- Carlosar 23:49, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The meeting in davos is the World Ecconomic Forum (not social forum).The bellman 11:49, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * So if there is no chance of people getting confused about it, I see no problem just calling of Social Forum. -- Carlosar 20:36, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

good work

For all the good work on Brazillian articles which you have been doing, i here by award you the wikinews lembranca, to bring you good luck on all your future edits. The bellman 04:31, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Great impovements on American Indian Movement protests against Professor Ward Churchill
Just wanted to say - great job on the article! good solution to the problem. - Amgine 19:15, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Zapatero article
Hi. I have just noticed that the Zapatero article here looks quite similar in strucutre and vocaburary to an article here. I am wondering what to do about it.. and thought to ask your opinion first. Tomos
 * They are similar probably because they are a translation of the same source: El Periodico, Barcelona.

Anyway you are right. The article is not so good. I did some changes so the article can be published. What do you think now? However I recognize this article maybe is a small mistake. What I am learning in Wikinews is that the purpose is writing a story based and supported by a lot of sources(with the exception a very few particular cases when you have to use just one source, maybe). -- Carlosar 02:05, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I have to admit that I am no expert on U.S. copyright (which is what we have to consider), but if the article was a verbatim translation of a copyrighted article in another language without permission, I am relatively sure that we should request it for deletion. Exclusive rights of the copyright holder includes creation of derivative work, and the term is defined at the beginning part of the law  and it says translation is among derivative works.

What if there is some modification? I don't know.. Fair use provision of the U.S. copyright law is often interpreted (in court) to mean that more new values you add to the work, and change to purposes of the work, more likely your use is to qualify as a fair use. (The term for this is "transformative use.") So if you change the work enough, then it will become fair use, and if you change further, the work will become an original work. To me, creating an English version of a news story otherwise unavailable for the English-speaking general public sounds like already enough of a transformation. But the text of the copyright law says otherwise. So I feel like I'm not able to make a good judgment. :-(

Tomos 02:42, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you also your quick action to resolve even the potential problem. It looks very different from the initial article. Again, it is my non-professional opinion... If anything, we can delete past revisions only and keep the current one.
 * Yes, keep this one since it has no copyright issues.

Tomos 02:46, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually I think I previously did a mistake when I translated the Spanish article. It will not happen again. I appreciated you warnning about this issue. Thank you. Carlosar 13:19, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I requested deletion of past revisions. Let's see what others would think. Again, thank you for your opinions and information. Besides, like other people above, I as a reader also enjoy your contributions. Thank you for many articles and edits. :) Tomos 21:32, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Guess what? I, too, am trying out a South America template system...
And I'd love to hear feed back from you about it. It is located at South America/Temp, and should be a little easier to edit than the current setup.

Hope you can take a moment to look at it. - talk/Amgine 19:49, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, Carlosar, I will add that to the South America page as soon as I have a moment. - Amgine 16:14, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Have completed updating South America, have added the countries covered to a footer, added a regional navigation bar. Need to update with latest news from the past day... - Amgine 20:19, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Editing question
Could you take a look at American nun murdered in Brazil? I had a question on the third paragraph. Otherwise, it looks good. MikeEdwards 16:48, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I made the necessary changes. Looks good!MikeEdwards 19:39, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Spanish Interwiki
Hi, Carlos. I've checked some news here and some of them are translations of Spanish Wikinews. Good work! Would you please do me a favor: to put the English interwikis on the Spanish articles. Thanks a lot. Julián Ortega 16:13, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bylines/dates
Just a quick note about using bylines (which have both date and location) - the location is actually where the reporter who filed the story is. With big news organisations that's often where the story happened, with reporters writing news first-hand. However, as we're tending to re-write stories from elsewhere, we should use the July 29, 2005 template, if we're not actually located where the story happened. Something like just 'BRAZIL' in the byline is fine though of course when you're doing a Brazil story.

The other thing was just to say keep an eye on the UTC time - we start new days on Latest news at midnight UTC, which is about 9pm your time I guess. So if you're finish writing a story after then, be sure to put it on the new UTC day's article page, or it could be 'lost' on yesterday's news! Dan100 (Talk) 12:02, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I've replied on my talk page Dan100 (Talk) 11:13, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Portuguese Wikinews set up
Hi Carlosar,

the Portuguese Wikinews is now set up at http://pt.wikinews.org. You may want to start by translating some key policies from the English version. Good luck with the project!--Eloquence 02:29, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sgrena story
Thanks for looking at the Sgrena story. I added a section with the military side of the story. — DV 22:20, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Monobook.css on pt.wikinews
You left a message a couple of days ago for me, regarding difficulties on pt. Sorry I wasn't around the past couple days; I was on my boat, and getting online is only occasionally possible. It seems you've resolved the issues, however, as the icon pngs are showing up now on pt.wikinews for me. - Amgine 05:26, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you very much anyway, since you looked for the problem.

Cuban "propaganda"
I'm machine translating that text now. Can you explain what issues you have with the text? - Amgine 05:13, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There is no reference. The text is not signed by anyone known in Spanish Wikinews. Is it vandalism? I am afraid of doing something wrong.
 * I'm looking into it now. - Amgine 05:18, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I am in IRC.--Carlosar 05:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Partido de Lula habría recibido dinero de las FARC
Sir/Madam,

I would like to encourage you to translate such an excellent article into English. No pressure.. and if you don't have time, others can do it (I can help some) but I just thought I'd encourage you to do so, since you've written something so detailed and throrough. Zantastik 04:37, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry! I was too slow there;) Thank you for your wonderful contribution! Zantastik 04:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New new date stamp on Main Page!
It wasn't there moments ago! I forgot how to do it... edw 03:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

FARC money to PT
Would you mind if I proof read this. I think it should go as lead article.

Warning, you may not appreciate some of my grammer revisions. edw 21:46, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I do have to leave for 1 1/2 hours. On return I can get to it, so I am sorry I made the suggestion just before I must depart. I will check it irregardless when I return.
 * edw 21:56, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok --Carlosar 22:00, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure you want my opinion.
I believe both your articles on this topic to be "attack articles", that is they are biased against the PT. For example, although the article is about Abin, you include the logo of the FARC. And in your previous article you used strong declarative sentences (so-and-so did this) in this article you use diffident sentences (so-and-so has stated documents may be incorrect.) In comparing the articles, briefly, I do not feel either is particularly neutral or balanced. I have not done an in-depth fact checking of the article, but am commenting on the over-all article tone or angle.

Also, on my machine the table much too wide, and uses non-relative settings. - Amgine 22:11, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Brazil builds South America-Arab World axis
In much of North America, using the term "Axis" is extremely pejorative, and strongly suggests the organization is evil. Do you think a better choice might be "Brazil builds South America-Arab World relationships" or "Brazil builds South America-Arab World league"? - Amgine 02:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Drafts
Please don't clutter the main article namespace with chaff. You have a user namespace. Please use it. I've moved Draft to User:Carlosar/Sandbox. Uncle G 12:01, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry.

Bin Laden Islam article

 * Good Work on the bin laden islam article Paulrevere2005 02:06, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PT/FARC
I worked on the grammer and punctuation. I made no attempt to change content, only make it more readable for english readers. I apolgize in advance if any chages I made alter your meaning in the article. You present a very balanced piece here!

Were the tables hard? or did they go fairly easy after getting the knack for it.... edw 01:07, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I see you are writing a follow up article to your earlier story. I scanned the first paragraph and note how much well rendered it is from your earlier work. Thanks for keeping us up to date. -edw 22:40, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Categories
This message is being given to several people, so please forgive the formality.

I've created a list of categories that must be included in ALL articles to ensure the DPL system works correctly. Adding the revlevent categories from this list will ensure complete site-wide relevent article listing. It is located at User:CGorman/Categories and you can easily cut & paste out of it. I urge frequent writers to bookmark this page to help save themselves time with categorization. Thanks for your attention. → CGorman (Talk)  19:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

legal issues
Actually, there is a legal problem with your article, if it is in great part a translation of the Oil-for-Food Program article on Wikipedia. Wikinews is public domain, whereas wikipedia is gfdl, and the two aren't compatible. GDFL work can't be turned into public domain material like that.. But then again, it is one wikimedia project going into another... --Zantastik 02:39, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

URGENT! Your attention and input is needed regarding a crucial issue facing wikinews.
Please go to the water cooler policy discussion at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy#creating_.2F_deleting_dispute_flag_templates

Please participate in this discussion,regardless of your opinion. Paulrevere2005 13:05, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

South america/Arab article
Hey, when you're done adding stuff, drop a message on my talk page- i'll go through and copyed it some. :) Nice article! Lyellin 14:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

dateline
where in Brazil, it's an awfully large country? -Edbrown05 11:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Do I need to say that? Other stories dont have the exact location. However if it is necessary, you can say that I am reporting from São Paulo. --Carlosar 11:46, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I think you do need to say it, if the dateline template is to be used at all, since it further identifies the location from where the reporting is being done. -Edbrown05 11:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I am returning to Wikinews after being out a short time. I am asking because I dont know if some rule has changed when I was out.--Carlosar 12:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I am putting the location. See if it is right now. --Carlosar 12:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

translation review
I reviewed and edited New_denunciations_of_Brazilian_deputy_and_evidences_make_things_more_difficult_for_Lula. But some of the information was ambiguous to me, so I may have confused some of the facts. Please look over it and fix any errors I thereby introduced. Kevin Baastalk 3 July 2005 19:35 (UTC)

 * Looks good. i made a few grammar corrections. (one, i think)  the edit you made: " Furnas denied. Its directors resigned due to Jefferson's accusations against the company." is grammatically incorrect, and i dont' know what you meant to do here. "Furnas denied." is not a complete sentence.  what did furnas deny?   This sticks out like a sore thumb for an english reader, but I didn't revert it because I didn't know what you meant to do.  Also, one can't say objectively that that is the reason its directors resigned, this needs to be attributed to a source.  for example, if the directors said that that was their reason, it should say something like "Furnas' directors resigned, stating that their reasons were related to Jefferson's accusations against the company." Kevin Baastalk 4 July 2005 01:28 (UTC)

 * Yes, I understood. It should be good now. Excellent work. Kevin Baastalk 4 July 2005 12:37 (UTC)

BTW, your most common translation mistakes were:
 * use of the word "told". "told" must always be followed by an audience, such as "she told him that '...'", and "said" is more common.  (for what it's worth, "said" is a perfectly neutral word; it has no connotations, which is partly why it's so common.  "told" is more commanding and assertive, but if one truly wants to describe someone's speech as being assertive, one simply says "asserted", and this implies a very percetible difference in the speaker's gestures and tone of voice.)
 * "evidences" should always be "evidence". "evidence" is like "water": it is already plural.  Unlike "water", however, it is treated in a sentence as if it is singular.   This is because it does not refer to specific items as items, but to the fact that such items support the hypothesis that certain events occured.  "evidence" refers primarily to the support of the hypothesis (by material objects), and only secondarily to the material objects themselves as evidence.  Thus, insofar as "support" is always singular, "evidence" is always singular.  The material objects are "evidence", i.e. the material objects are "empirical support for a particular hypothesis". I hope this is clear.  In any case, "evidences" should always be "evidence". Kevin Baastalk 4 July 2005 12:37 (UTC)

Interviews
I am new to the whole concept of interviewing people and reporting on Wikinews and have recently conducted two related interviews with people at the centre of MPAA launches seven lawsuits against torrent, ed2k and usenet sites. I think they will be of value to Wikinews, but am unsure of how to proceed. Any tips would be handy - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Carlosar. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Carlosar~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Florida's Walt Disney World launches revamped attractions

Alien Encounter and The Living Seas at the Walt Disney World Resort are to open today with a makeover.

The Alien Encounter attraction at Tomorrowland in the Magic Kingdom has been revised to include Experiment 626 from the movie Lilo & Stitch. Now called Stitch's Great Escape!, the dog-like blue creature will lash out of its tube and terrorise the audience. The Galactic Federation's Grand Councilwoman, Captain Gantu and Agent Pleakley appear in this show, essentially a prequel to the movie.

At the Living Seas, Crush the sea turtle from the Disney/Pixar movie Finding Nemo will host a new exhibit called Turtle Talk, joining smaller Nemo exhibits, a mainstay at the attraction for several months. Vegetarian shark Bruce will soon become part of a shark education exhibit.

According to publicity, the Turtle Talk show will run every 15 minutes, from 10:00 am to 7:00 pm. A sign language interpreted performance will run on Fridays at 10:30 am.

Disney is holding the [http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/special/stitch/sweepstakes Stitch's Great Escape! Sweepstakes], with prizes including a five-day, four night trip for four to Walt Disney World Resort.


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Talk:Big Linux Beta 3 released

This article has been submitted for review by the Wikinews community. The review period is currently a minimum of 8 hours for regular articles and 4 hours for urgent stories. An article needs to find consensus - no objections - in the following categories in order to be accepted for publication. See also Article stages for information on what constitutes a valid objection.

Is the article neutral?
''All factual claims need to be attributed or sourced. On-topic information which is relevant to the article should be added. Off-topic information should NOT be added to "balance out" an article.''

I think there's no need to add a Linux/Windows background debate here, so given that it just reports the facts on this particular distribution, I believe it is reasonably neutral.--Eloquence 17:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article accurate and have sources been cited?
''All facts should be verifiable. Factual claims which are attributed to a person or group, but considered false by another person or group can remain in the article as long as the controversy is accurately represented.''

I've briefly checked the press release, but someone who speaks the language should look over it again.--Eloquence 17:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I am a Brazilian, Portuguese speaker. Portuguese I can guarantee. It seems ok.--[user:carlosar|carlosar] 21:26, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article legal?
''Does the article violate any laws of the state of Florida in the United States? Specifically, does it violate other people's copyright, in text or images? Please make sure that no images have been directly copied from a non-free source without permission, and that any brief text quoted from a non-free source is attributed accurately. Use Google News and Google Search and pick individual phrases from the article to verify this.''

 * No issues I can see.--Eloquence 17:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Does the article comply with our policies and guidelines?
Aside from the above categories, does the article comply with Content guide and Style guide?'

 * No issues I can see.--Eloquence 17:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is the article comprehensive?
''Relevant information on the topic should be included, while keeping in mind timeliness. Given that an almost infinite amount can be said about any topic, objections in this category carry less weight than those in other categories.''

General comments
I'm not sure what this means: "separate configurations personalized of xfconfig for kernel". I've also taken out the detailed programs list with version numbers, as it is redundant to the intro paragraph. The version numbers could be added there.--Eloquence

Please add a date to the story to comply with the style guide.--Eloquence

I think it is ok now. Maybe check the grammar. --carlosar

A one paragraph summary of what Linux is might be helpful.--Eloquence 17:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I have put one. Also there is a link to Linux in Wikipedia. --carlosar 21:26, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Check English again
Please, someone check the English and if the article is comprehensive.--carlosar 22:00 16 Nov 2004(UTC)

title: Talk:Big Linux Beta 3 released