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BBC Red Button

BBC Red Button is a brand used for digital interactive television services provided by the BBC, and broadcast in the United Kingdom. The services replaced Ceefax, the BBC's analogue teletext service. BBC Red Button's text services were due to close on 30 January 2020, but the switch off was suspended on 29 January 2020 following protests.

History and branding
The service was launched on 23 September 1999 as BBC Text. It was relaunched in November 2001 under the BBCi brand and operated under this name until late 2008, when it was rebranded as BBC Red Button. The "red button" name refers to the common interface on remote controls for digital televisions and set-top boxes, a red push-button that launches digital teletext services.

Although initially marketed as a spectacular new form of television, by 2008 this had given way to positioning interactive television as 'everyday'. This was due in part to the institutional landscape of television in the UK.

In September 2009, the BBC celebrated 10 years of the digital interactive TV service.

BBC Text (1999–2001)
BBC Text originally launched on digital terrestrial services on 23 September 1999, and was later introduced on satellite and cable platforms. In the first phase, the service was created using content migrated from the existing analogue teletext service, Ceefax. A digital text service had been available since the launch of digital terrestrial television in November 1998, but the BBC Text service was not publicly launched until November 1999, due to a lack of availability of compatible set-top boxes.

BBC Text was considerably more advanced than Ceefax, in that it offered a richer visual interface, with the possibility of photographic images and designed graphics (as opposed to Ceefax graphics which were composed of simple blocks of colour). BBC Text also enabled channel association, the ability for the user to retain their selected television channel visible in one section of the screen whilst viewing the text service, in contrast to Ceefax, which could only be viewed as a full-screen display, or as a semitransparent overlay (i.e. opaque blocks of colour on top of the television channel, with the black background now transparent; not 'translucent blocks of colour with a translucent black background') above the television picture. The original text service had no return path, this being made available in later phases.

BBC Text pioneered an early form of "on-demand" interactive television, called Enhanced TV. During the 1999 Wimbledon Championships, the BBC presented a service that allowed viewers to select a video stream of different matches, and access additional information such as player profiles, scores and interactive quizzes. Although the experimental service was publicly available, there were no digital set-top boxes or receivers available on the market that could decode the signal, and the service was presented to the public only via BBC demonstrations using prototype receivers.

The BBCi brand (2001–2008)
The BBCi brand launched in November 2001 and was conceived as a cohesive multi-platform brand name for all the BBC's digital interactive services, encompassing the corporation's digital teletext, interactive television and website services. According to the BBC, the "i" in BBCi stood for "interactivity" as well as "innovation".

The various services all took on a common interface device, an "i-bar" branded with the BBCi logo, which sought to emphasise the brand across different technologies by providing similar navigation. For example, the BBC website, which had previously been called BBC Online, took on the BBCi brand from 2001, displaying an i-bar across the top of every page, offering a category-based navigation: Categories, TV, Radio, Communicate, Where I Live, A-Z Index, and a search. Similarly, BBC interactive television services all offered a horizontal i-bar along the bottom of television screens, with four colour-coded interactions linked to the four colour buttons on TV remote controls.

After three years of consistent use across different platforms, the BBC began to drop the BBCi brand gradually; on 6 May 2004, the BBC website was renamed bbc.co.uk, after the main URL used to access the site. Interactive TV services continued under the BBCi brand until late 2008.

BBC Red Button HD
In June 2013, a HD version of BBC Red Button was launched for the summertime. It closed on 25 November 2013 after the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who. It returned each year along with the other BBC Red Button channels as a temporary channel for the duration of the Wimbledon tennis tournament. On 26 March 2018, CBBC HD began its downtime and the relaunch of BBC Red Button HD took place to cover the 2018 Commonwealth Games. It was added on Sky on channel 981 and Freeview channel 602 on 3 April 2018 and closed on 16 April 2018 after the Games had concluded. Later in 2021, it was originally supposed to be closed on the end of Wimbledon but was kept on air for the 2020 Olympics.

On 15 February 2023, as part of the BBC's plan to upgrade all of its channels to high-definition as standard, the high-definition video feed of BBC Red Button was made the default on all television platforms, replacing the long-standing "standard definition" feed which was used outside of significant sporting events.

The BBC Red Button brand (2008)
From 2008, the BBC gradually began to drop the BBCi name from its digital interactive TV services also, replacing it with the name BBC Red Button. The BBCi logo continued in on-screen presentation for some time.

BBC Connected Red Button (2012)
BBC Connected Red Button launched in December 2012 on Virgin TiVo and on some Freeview and Freesat 'Smart TVs' in December 2013. The service is a composite IP and broadcast service and may be the future of Red Button on internet connected televisions.

BBC Red Button+ (2015)
The service was renamed BBC Red Button+ in April 2015. It launched with an updated brand.

Partial closure (2020)
After nearly 21 years of service, the BBC announced in 2019 that due to financial cuts, the text services on Red Button on all platforms would be removed from 30 January 2020. The video services, used during events like Wimbledon and the Olympic Games, however, would continue.

On 29 January 2020, the BBC announced their suspension of the switch-off due to protests, one day before the service was due to have started being phased out. This announcement comes following a petition, organised by the National Federation of the Blind of the UK (NFBUK), which was submitted to the BBC and Downing Street. The petition expresses NFBUK's concerns with the switch-off, citing that the service is "vital for visually impaired, deaf, disabled and older people, as well as many other people who want to find out information independently in an easy, convenient and accessible format, who are not online." They're concerned that the withdrawal of the service would leave many already vulnerable people into further isolation and marginalisation from society. NFBUK states they cannot understand how the BBC can meet their obligations set in the Royal Charter following the cut of the Red Button Teletext service.

Availability
BBC Red Button is available on all digital television platforms in the UK, including digital cable through Virgin Media, digital satellite through Sky and Freesat and digital terrestrial television through Freeview. On Freeview interactivity does not permit users to submit data (such as answering questions in a quiz or requesting video on demand), as the platform does not provide a return path.

The BBC currently provides one video stream to all platforms, which can be accessed directly from Freeview channel 601, Freesat channel 980, Sky channel 970 (UK only) and Virgin Media UK channel 991. Until mid-February 2023, the feed provided was only in standard definition, with a high-definition version of RB 1 (the primary feed) used for high-profile sporting events, which included the Olympics and Wimbledon. Since 15 February 2023 the standard definition feed was replaced across all platforms with a high-definition version, as part of the BBC's plan to upgrade its channel offering into high-definition. One advantage of the feed is the DVR ability as the conventional Red Button interaction restricts DVR record / pause / rewind functions, and is a major caveat for many.

Prior to 2023, the BBC had the ability to increase the amount of streams during major events and had done so on numerous occasions, as follows:

 * 2012 Olympics: For the 2012 Summer Olympics and with it being a home games in London for the BBC, the BBC provided 24 live streams in standard and high-definition for the duration of the games. Additional online streams could also be accessed through the internet-connected BBC Red Button+.
 * 2016 Olympics: eight red button video streams were broadcast to all platforms during the 2016 Olympics. This was in addition to BBC Four continually broadcasting Olympic coverage and either BBC One or BBC Two broadcasting main coverage during the course of the each day.
 * The Championships, Wimbledon: six additional channels were provided for a variety of outer courts. Red Button 1 was duplicated in high definition, with RB 2 to RB 6 only in standard definition. The 2022 edition of the tournament was the last to offer this functionality.

As of 2023, the BBC will no longer be providing additional Red Button streams for any events. Instead, it will be directing viewers to watch additional feeds via the BBC iPlayer. 2023 Wimbledon was the first major tournament not to provide any additional feeds on linear television.

BBC Red Button 1 HD (originally launched as SD only) is a channel available on Freeview, Freesat, Sky, and Virgin Media. It showcases many live events, such as live music (especially from BBC Radio live shows) and sports like football and rugby. It also features an extended version of Final Score, offering more in-depth analysis of the matches they cover. When the BBC announced the closure of all their SD channels on satellite, BBC Red Button 1 became permanently HD for the first time in its history (it was occasionally in HD for certain events like Wimbledon). Virgin Media followed suit by adding BBC Red Button 1 HD to their service and removing the SD version.

Content
Generally, BBC Red Button offers text and video based services, as well as enhanced television programmes which offer extra information, video or quizzes.

In September 2005, BBCi launched an update to the interactivity available from the BBC's Radio channels on Freeview. Originally only Radiotext was available. After the update, users could access information about the programme, schedules, news, sport and weather. From 2005, Freeview users could access the CBBC Extra video stream.

The same team behind the BBC's digital text service also launched the early incarnations of the BBC's Interactive Wimbledon and Interactive Open Golf services in 2000, which were awarded an Interactive BAFTA that year.

The News Multiscreen was removed from the digital service in October 2009, to make room for future Freeview HD broadcasts.

As of July 2022, the Question Time page on p155 appears to be outdated since January 2018, as it still states that the show will be returning on January 11 from Islington.

Here is a table of the contents of the BBC Red Button as of March 2023:

Compatibility
The service was initially compatible with ONdigital and ITV Digital boxes, though loading speeds were slower than newer Freeview boxes.

Page numbers were introduced in 2004 to aid navigation, with 3-digit page numbers matching with those of the analogue Ceefax in 2006. Pages exclusive to digital are given a four digit number. An index navigation screen was also introduced, replacing the previous BBCi Menu.

The Teletext service from the UK commercial broadcasters had stopped supporting the old boxes in 2005. As of 2010, the ONdigital boxes only load pages 100 and 199 and some interactive services that use channel 301, if any other page is loaded it exits the service.

Usage of these boxes dwindled further as technology developed. They used "original" technology and as such were not upgradable. Following each regional changeover to full digital TV broadcasting, the remaining units are no longer of use, as they do not support the "8K-mode" for DVB-T introduced across the UK as part of the digital switchover.

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Talk:BBC Radio 1

Question
Was Terry Wogan really on a pirate ship as the text suggests. Doubts about others, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Les woodland (talk • contribs) 16:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem
Radio 1 runs 'One Big Weekend' every year, a free 2 day concert. Radio 1 also sponsors a stage at the reading and leeds festivals each year

Chris Moyles weekly roundup is #1 UK podcast... Radio 1 diversifying by suppling podcasts and such

''So what sort of material do they have on this radio station? Pop music? Golden oldies? Talkback? Sports? This entry is useless for somebody who hasn't already been exposed to the station.'' --Robert Merkel

Check out their website and find out www.bbc.co.uk/radio1

Explicit image size vs thumbnail
Is there any reason to use a constant width of 200px for the logo instead of using individual users' preferences for thumbnails? I use Wikipedia on my PC and on a mobile/PDA. On my PC, both settings look pretty similar. However, on my PDA the logo is way too big at 200px, but looks great if set as a thumbnail because I have set thumbnail display to 120px in Special:Preferences. --Throup (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Schedule
Is this information really enyclopedic? Seems a bit too much like fancruft, or just simply useless information to me. Robdurbar 00:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I came here to say the same. It seems to me that a current schedule is not encyclopedic, and we are not the Radio Times. Why a current schedule and not, say, the schedule from the week of launch? I'm going to remove it. --kingboyk 21:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same. Schedules have been removed from other Wikipedia radio pages so I think it's best if they're gone.-- AntL  talk  14:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Schedule seems to have returned as History/Today. Could it be removed again? Oh, and the programming section.Kaleeyed (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Sirius Satellite Radio
BBC Radio 1 is now carried by Sirius, I see no mention of this in the article. I also see no mention of the fact that it is not a live mirrored stream of Radio 1 (what sirius broadcasts and what BBC Radio 1 webcasts are different). ALKIVAR ™ 10:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

' In July of 2005, Sirius Satellite Radio began simulcasting Radio 1 across the United States on channel 11, and Sirius Canada began simulcasting Radio 1 when they launched on December 1, 2005 (also on channel 11). The simulcast is timeshifted five hours to allow US and Canadian listeners in the Eastern Time Zone to hear Radio 1 at the same time of day as UK listeners.'

- taken from the article Robdurbar 10:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

bobby friction and nihal
needs some more info about bobby and nihal's show on R1 - at the moment they are only mentioned and have no page of their own and the nihal link goes to the wrong page.

any bobby and nihal fans want to help out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.178.179.109 (talk • contribs) 18:02, April 12, 2006 (UTC)

Transmitters
Anyone know about where the transmitters are etc for Radio 1? This could easily be it's own sub-article if someone knows anything...--Gavinio 08:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/transmitters/radio/index.shtml for details of the transmitters, and then use the National Grid References (NGR) and site names at http://www.streetmap.co.uk and http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery respectively for exact locations, etc. Hope this is of help to you. - Sean Cooper 22:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Newsbeat
I've added a short bit about Newsbeat and linked it into the main article. I can't stand Newsbeat do maybe someone else would be better at expanding this section. --MikeNolan 20:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Censorship?
Unfortunately Radio 1 has had a history of musical censorship during its history. During the tenure of Matthew Banister the station refused to play British Hip Hop after the political connotations of the Rodney King beatings. In fact it took years for Radio 1 to recognise Hip Hop especially in the mid Eighties. Another sub Genre was Hi Energy. This sub Culture associated with the Gay nightclub scene in the late 1970's / early 1980's was blacklisted from Radio 1 play lists. And Finally up to date, the station has still refused to come to terms with Gabba , Happy Hardcore and Scouse dance genres.

If you think that is ridiculous during the first Gulf War in !991 they refused to play "Massive Attack" because of their programming rules. Daft.

 * True that Radio 1 has made a few daft censorship decisions in the past. I can't remember any offhand, but there have been one or two that have made me scratch my head and think "Why?!"
 * However, Radio 1, as it's name would suggest, is intended to reach a wide audience. I'm not sure that many people would be keen on Ultraviolence or Aphex Twin in the middle of their drive to work. Remember that Radio 1 was the first legal station in this country to play Jungle and Drum'n'Bass, way before Kiss FM was even begun. They often have themed nights where they will play the more eclectic music, I have been introduced to various electronica through Radio 1. And with regards to the gay music: I was taping Bronski Beat songs off the radio in the early-mid 80s, I don't think you can have more of a gay anthem than Small Town Boy!
 * Just because a radio station isn't playing much of what is actually a very niche genre of music doesn't mean they are censoring music. For instance, a year or two back I saw Ultraviolence in London and there were no more than 200 people in the whole gig, including Johnny himself and the angle-grinder-woman. Radio 1 play a lot of "proper" music, i.e. not bubblegum pop/teeny bop. They can't cater for everything, but I bet if you were to listen 24/7 for a month you would hear some Gabba, Happy Hardcore or Scouse. Probably at 4 am, but that's always been the penalty for liking a minority genre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.86.138.193 (talk) 23:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

I disagree with the comments of the second paragraph. The mandate of Radio 1 is to play new innovative music. Its demographic is 13 to 27 year old listeners. They are expecting cutting edge and what they get is Chris Moyles. Also when John Peel passed away the decision to change the muisc policy on his late slot was very telling. No one can say that they have continued the policy of Peels to play anything. Radio 1 has lost its way. It has put too much focus on Dance music. Look at the weekend shows. Also the station has stifled and obstructed musical innovation and development in the UK by avoiding certain music genres. An example is the continued employment of Pete Tong. His programming choices have destroyed innovation and development in electronic dance music by playing trance and progressive house for the last 10 years. There has to be a big sea change in Radio 1 if it wants to remain relevant to its listeners.

 * Unfortunately I still can't remember my password, but I am the poster of the second paragraph... I maintain what I said before, but I would like to comment on the third paragraph... the fact is, Gabba, Happy Hardcore and Scouse Dance are neither cutting edge nor innovative. From what I've seen at live events and from lifts in a Gabba-loving friend's car, and I realise this is subjective, Gabba is a sub-genre of Techno, devised for people who are excited by large values of bpm. It's like people who buy processors based on GHz alone. More is not necessarily better ;-) Happy Hardcore peaked in 1992. Scouse isn't really a proper genre in itself, more just a subset of House that WAS more popular in Liverpool than anywhere else... In London, the only times I've heard it mentioned is when I'm talking to people who have lived in Liverpool! Perhaps I don't like House well enough to tell the difference, maybe it's my taste. Which brings us back to the original point... there are millions of Radio 1 listeners across the whole world. Even if they just look at the UK listeners, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find enough people who would actually listen to a Gabba set to make it worthwhile. I've definitely heard some Altern-8 in the last few months at about 2am (so that's Happy Hardcore covered). And let's face it: If you're into a genre enough to feel passionately about it's lack of airplay, you're probably deep enough into it that there's nothing new they can show you! I wouldn't expect the licence-payer to fulfill my need for late-60s proto-electronica Kosmische by playing some Organisation or Tangerine Dream... If anyone asks me about the origins of modern electronic music, they can come to my house and listen to the vinyl. If they want to know about the origins of pre-war electronic music, I'll power up my theremin and bore them to death on how it relates to analogue synths they would have heard in 1980s techno. I love the music but I realise it is purely history to most.
 * So to summarise, breaking cutting-edge music to the masses is a wonderful mission. However, music that is now retro (that includes Gabba and Happy Hardcore) cannot be "broken" to the masses, and is unlikely to be nostalgic to those who didn't enjoy it when it was en vogue. As it is an acquired taste, it will not be enjoyed by many: whilst music-lovers such as me and presumably you would press on to the end and enjoy it for its uniqueness, most would turn over or turn off. So, it has no place on prime-time Radio 1. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before their web presence includes a library of eclectica, so we'll all be happy then!!! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.182.109 (talk) 01:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Just thought i would add that the new controller for Radio 1 is pushing "pop" music over alternative, rock, and dance genres in its playlists. So again Radio 1 is out of sync with the audience they are supposed to serve. And why did they not put Basshunter on its playlist, even when it got to number one in the Gallup charts? Nutty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.35.236 (talk) 20:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The is hardcore music on radio1 atm unfortunately it is only on the second week every month but it is on their its on Kutskis In New DJs We Trust show. I think radio one and in particular Pete Tong does a lot for all kinds Dance of music on radio1. He is the one who decides the In New DJs We Trust DJs and not forgetting the essential mix which has probably played nearly every type of electronica music including mid nineties cheesy happy hardcore. --82.37.226.217 (talk) 17:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC) _______________________________ _______________________________

Censorship with a small 'c' from the beginning, a fans eye view: THE MUSIC THEY PLAY CAN INFLUENCE YOU

The government clampdown I’m thinking of goes back further than that to 1967 – the magic year of rock’n’roll. The air was full of wonderous music courtesy of the pirate ship radio stations Radio Carolyn and Radio London. D.J.’s would say things like: “It’s a bitter-cold morning out, why not forget work, stay in bed and listen to the latest from Donovan – Sunshine Superman…..” without pirate radio left-of–field classics like Unit Four Plus Two “Concrete & Clay” would never have come to light.But the idea that a major section of the media could tread anything but the party line rankled the establishment and in late August 1967 “radical”, “left wing” M.P. Tony Benn in his position of Postmaster General banned pirate radio and gave responsibility for purveying rock music back to the BBC. So in August (?) 1967 Radio 1 was ushered in to the ringing tones of The Move’s “Flowers In The Rain”. Nothing had changed – or had it? Rock music which had galvanised a generation together was being murdered. In Britain the BBC decided to divide and rule so you got music that appealed to the over 30’s (Jazz, Gordon Lightfoot etc.) played on Radio 2, and music that appealed to the under 30’s (Glitter bands, Bowie,) played on 1. The Hippies were being strangled with their own head bands – the only ‘classic’ that was played with any regularity on Radio 1 was Jeff Beck’s “Hi Ho Silver Lining” with it’s reactionary and sarcastic “You’re everywhere and nowhere baby…..(in your hippie hat)” We beatniks/hippies were basically being told to forget dreams of revolution, get out of bed and get to work. Get married, have kids and knuckle-under for Thatcher’s sake! We were being shown the evil of our ways.

Mud, Status Quo, and the odd Captain Beefheart track played once a week on the John Peel show might not have been so bad but it was watered down with endless trivial chatter from the D.J.’s and Beatles tunes played by the Northern Dance Orchestra – you’d think the Queen had died! Radio 2 was more Acker Bilk than Charlie Parker, more recipes than Ronettes – Divide, dumb-down, and rule (Britannia). So Rock music in Britain became less the hands-on innovation of the Kinks and more the slightly sickly, overblown, dressed up, camp of Queen. The strength of John Lennon was replaced by the yobbishness of Slade and the youth of Britain followed suite on the streets. Under station master Derek Chinnery there was talk of ex RAF types stalking the corridors of the Radio 1 section of Broadcasting House marshalling the ex-pirate D.J.’s (given jobs by the Beeb to bring the fans over from the ships) to toe the line. Anything political or what they termed ‘morbid’ wasn’t played.

In the fashion of playing soothing music to milking cows Radio 1 & Radio 2 do their bit to keep the birth rate up by pumping out a constant diet of love/sex songs be they rock, pop, acid, or rap; an example would be Marvin Gaye & Tammi Tyrell’s “It Takes Two” which seemed to open every Jimmy Young show,and still to this day gets played about 3 times per week. Talk about ‘mind-control to Major Tom’.Were there any casualties? - the rockdreams of 10 million listeners; and folk rock singer Nick Drake who committed suicide after pestering his producer to know why his works of art weren’t making it, to be told they didn’t fit the optimistic bland-out of the monopolistic Beeb. Heavy 1960’s airplay given to Engelbert’s misogynistic Release Me was replaced by 1980’s repeat playing of The Eagles’ pro settling-down Desperado. The Chi-Lites soul classic on teenage alienation: The Coldest Days of My Life was played once by Tony Blackburn on Radio 1 back in 1970 and never again, whereas their Homely Girl and Have You Seen Her became the stations background melodies of the seventies and eighties.

The Beatles split up and the thrill had gone. Led Zeppelin could have taken up the rock cudgels from them but their 1969 rock anthem Whole Lotta Love was only played the once on Alan Freeman’s Pick Of The Pops, I remember switching on and catching the last ten seconds of it. Dylan, heeding the rulers warning of a (broken neck?) motorbike accident, and not wishing to go the way of John Lennon 20, and Lady Di 30 years later, went into retirement.

Alan Griffey 23rd February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan Griffey (talk • contribs) 21:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

 * A small point, but you're misrepresenting Wedgewood-Benn. For a start, despite being well on the left wing of the party, he in fact prevaricated against outlawing the offshore stations.  In the end Wilson promoted him out of the job and gave the position to Edward Short, who lost no time in pushing the legislation through.

 * Ironically, it was Wilson who lowered the voting age to 18, then he shut down the offshore stations and Labour lost the next election. Dumb, dumb, dumb. :D Deke42 (talk) 22:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on this artical
This artical is good but its its abit wordy and their are no tables to display infomation which helps to digest info

Trivial matter - logo
The Radio 1 logo used on wikipedia is out of date... it has changed slightly. see []

 * The photo was ammended on this article yesterday, and so is correct.  Tiddly Tom  12:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Theme One
I am surprised there is no mention of Theme One in the section of the start of programme on the first day of Radio 1. --jmb 16:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Schedule added
The Radio 1 Schedule will change every month from until the end of the year. There is a major change from September and minor changes every month after until January. I will keep the shedule up to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskart (talk • contribs) 13:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate adding UK radio and TV schedules without paying a royality is a criminal offence. -- [[ axg|undefinedSpecial:Contributions/AxGtalk  |undefined]] 13:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I will do some more reading to clarify, but as it stands to my knowledge, that schedule will have to go ASAP. Regardless, current schedules are a violation of What Wikipedia is not policy. --tgheretford (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... the (now Red Bee) Broadcasting Dataservices page has changed since that discussion that AxG brought up to now say TV listings. Again, I will check the Broadcasting Act 1990 to make sure. My comment on policy violation still stands. --tgheretford (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've checked through Google, the law applies to BBC TV and Radio Schedules, ITV and Channel 4 schedules. Schedules, regardless of how written is copyrighted of the aforementioned company, violating WP:C and has to go. --tgheretford (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Gap in content
There seems to be a major gap in this page; it jumps almost straight from the opening year or so to the mid-1990s, with almost nothing on some of the developments in between such as "Sounds of the Seventies" or the live folk half-hour (which featured live sessions from acts such as Fairport Convention, Pentangle and Shirley Collins.Jon Rob (talk) 09:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

No mention of Mike Read either. --DeeKay (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Recently
Maybe you should right a section on how bad the quality of the music is that is being played nowadays —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestar1991 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction?
''Fearne Cotton will become the first regular female presenter of the UK Top 40. Jo Whiley was the first female presenter of the UK Top 40 on November 24, 2002''

These two statements appear to contradict each other. If JW was the first how can FC also be the first? Unless it means: while JW did present the show she did so only occasionally and as a guest: FC was the first to regularly present it ie as a headline presenter.... Clarification required... Jubilee♫ clipman 17:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Drivetime
I have edited this section as it previously implied that the show had always been 4-7, whereas it used to be different during the Dave Pearce days. Zacitty (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

One Big Weekends
The format of these changed before 2003: I can remember the Dance Day being cancelled in Manchester. If someone could do some research and correct it that would be cool. Zacitty (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic content
"Nowadays Joel Lees (JoelyMusic) of Colchester Essex is the newest up and coming artist on the BBC payroll. The difference is that now its not just DJs, its artists as well. Just shows how things can change with time." has been removed. It's unencyclopedic, citation free and appears to have nothing to do with the origins of radio 1 (being stashed right after the addition of Annie Nightingale)--Shadebug (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Annie Nightingale
I think the claim that Annie was Britain's first female DJ needs some clarification. English transmissions from Radio Luxembourg had occasional female DJs, and a couple of the smaller fort based 60s stations had female presenters. Annie was probably the first who could be clearly heard throughout the nation though. --Deke42 (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the 1980s?
What a strange article! There were various changes to Radio 1 in the 1980s and it had a very large audience - features like "Our Tune" (beginning in 1980) and The Steve Wright In The Afternoon show of the mid-to-late '80s are still widely remembered, but the 1980s are not featured at all - the article flips from an unsubstantiated "70s Peak" to "Changes in the 90s". Highly odd! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.180.211 (talk) 17:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Schedule changes - would a table be better?
They're changing the schedule again: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27718063

Would it be better to represent the schedule as a table? I could probably make a table for it but it would take a while so if anyone thinks it's a really stupid idea tell me here and I won't bother. NemesisAT (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As shown above, a schedule table goes against WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE and without paying royalties is also a criminal offence. So it's probably not the best idea. Also, the changes don't take place until September so I undid your edit, nothing personal :) - BZTMPS ★ ·  (talk?   contribs?)  16:40, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm very glad I checked now - Thanks for the quick response. NemesisAT (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Confusing text in "Analogue Frequencies"
The first two sentences don't make sense:

"Radio 1 originally broadcast on 1214 kHz medium wave (or 247 metres). On 23 November 1978, the latter was moved to 1053/1089 kHz (275/285 m), but did not broadcast nationally on its own FM frequencies until late 1987"

There is no "latter". Was there some info about sharing FM which was moved, leaving this dangling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.85.76 (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Jimmy Savile
Whatever monster Savile became. Should Wikipedia airbrush him out of history, as has happened in this article. I think not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deano1960 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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The current behaviour displayed by editors here could be said to be edit warring. Myself, I think that unfortunatly, one of us is being disruptive, and they are about to be warned. We have repeatedly referred to the policy concerned in edsums, so beware. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 17:58, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Please note that in line with WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE, this article should not contain radio listings. There is no place for TV/radio listings on Wikipedia - it is an encyclopedia, not the Radio Times. Cnbrb (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ironically, the editor that is waging the edit was has just slapped me with an edit warring warning notice!! I am now going to have to take a step back until someone else sorts this nonsense out. Cnbrb (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

RFC on programme listings

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

With the WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE rule in mind, should this article contain lists of programmes and broadcast slots, such as the addition made in this edit, or should they be removed? Cnbrb (talk) 20:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Regardless of NOTRADIOGUIDE, that edit is a mess which I shall revert directly. It looks like copypasted from  without understanding what they were doing. They are not a newbie, and should know better. -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Big weekend 2019
Hello, you have forgot the bog weekend 2019, can you please add it - RobloxFanEditor (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2019 (BST)

Merger discussion
That's What He Said Podcast has absolutely no independent coverage from reliable secondary sources and does not meet WP:GNG. It could be mentioned here at this article using primary sources. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

 * So why is there a big banner suggesting it should be on Radio 1 page?

 * I'm recommending that That's What He Said Podcast be merged with BBC Radio 1 because BBC Radio 1 is the podcast provider and at the time I thought it was the only relevant article that it could be merged with, but now I'm seeing that there are articles for Greg James and Chris Smith (newsreader). I'm going to close this discussion and recommend the article be merged with Greg James instead. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Independence Day UK
Just wondering if it's worth mentioning this in the drama section. It was sort of a parody of the filmm released the same year. KaraLG84 (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Man Ezeke
According to this page on Radio Rewind, Man Ezeke was the first black daytime DJ on Radio 1, which sounds to me to be an important thing to include. However I'm struggling to find a better source for this.

If anyone can help, you know what to do. KaraLG84 (talk) 21:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

 * This article on page 7 of 9 December 1992's Reading Evening Post confirms this. NemesisAT (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Can we use this source even though you have to register to view it? KaraLG84 (talk) 20:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have a subscription to British Newspaper Archive and am happy to start an article on him. I found a couple of online articles covering his death earlier this year. Perhaps I'll be able to find more with a bit of digging. NemesisAT (talk) 21:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be fantastic if you could do that. Can you also add him to the radio 1 article? I don't have a subscription to the archive. KaraLG84 (talk) 08:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started an article at The Man Ezeke NemesisAT (talk) 23:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @NemesisAT Fantastic. It looks good to me. KaraLG84 (talk) 15:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Archives/Deleted transmissions
Where to find BBC Radio 1 archives of deleted transmissions? For example bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000hhr6 on 24 April 2020 hosted by Scott Mills. Eurohunter (talk) 16:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Backplane

A backplane or backplane system is a group of electrical connectors in parallel with each other, so that each pin of each connector is linked to the same relative pin of all the other connectors, forming a computer bus. It is used to connect several printed circuit boards together to make up a complete computer system. Backplanes commonly use a printed circuit board, but wire-wrapped backplanes have also been used in minicomputers and high-reliability applications.

A backplane is generally differentiated from a motherboard by the lack of on-board processing and storage elements. A backplane uses plug-in cards for storage and processing.

Usage
Early microcomputer systems like the Altair 8800 used a backplane for the processor and expansion cards.

Backplanes are normally used in preference to cables because of their greater reliability. In a cabled system, the cables need to be flexed every time that a card is added or removed from the system; this flexing eventually causes mechanical failures. A backplane does not suffer from this problem, so its service life is limited only by the longevity of its connectors. For example, DIN 41612 connectors (used in the VMEbus system) have three durability grades built to withstand (respectively) 50, 400 and 500 insertions and removals, or "mating cycles". To transmit information, Serial Back-Plane technology uses a low-voltage differential signaling transmission method for sending information.

In addition, there are bus expansion cables which will extend a computer bus to an external backplane, usually located in an enclosure, to provide more or different slots than the host computer provides. These cable sets have a transmitter board located in the computer, an expansion board in the remote backplane, and a cable between the two.

Active vis-à-vis passive backplanes
Backplanes have grown in complexity from the simple Industry Standard Architecture (ISA) (used in the original IBM PC) or S-100 style where all the connectors were connected to a common bus. Due to limitations inherent in the Peripheral Component Interconnect (PCI) specification for driving slots, backplanes are now offered as passive and active.

True passive backplanes offer no active bus driving circuitry. Any desired arbitration logic is placed on the daughter cards. Active backplanes include chips which buffer the various signals to the slots.

The distinction between the two isn't always clear, but may become an important issue if a whole system is expected to not have a single point of failure (SPOF). Common myth around passive backplane, even if it is single, is not usually considered a SPOF. Active back-planes are even more complicated and thus have a non-zero risk of malfunction. However one situation that can cause disruption both in the case of Active and Passive Back-planes is while performing maintenance activities i.e. while swapping boards there is always a possibility of damaging the Pins/Connectors on the Back-plane, this may cause full outage for the system as all boards mounted on the back-plane should be removed in order to fix the system. Therefore, we are seeing newer architectures where systems use high speed redundant connectivity to interconnect system boards point to point with No Single Point of Failure anywhere in the system.

Backplanes vis-à-vis motherboards
When a backplane is used with a plug-in single-board computer (SBC) or system host board (SHB), the combination provides the same functionality as a motherboard, providing processing power, memory, I/O and slots for plug-in cards. While there are a few motherboards that offer more than 8 slots, that is the traditional limit. In addition, as technology progresses, the availability and number of a particular slot type may be limited in terms of what is currently offered by motherboard manufacturers.

However, backplane architecture is somewhat unrelated to the SBC technology plugged into it. There are some limitations to what can be constructed, in that the SBC chip set and processor have to provide the capability of supporting the slot types. In addition, virtually an unlimited number of slots can be provided with 20, including the SBC slot, as a practical though not an absolute limit. Thus, a PICMG backplane can provide any number and any mix of ISA, PCI, PCI-X, and PCI-e slots, limited only by the ability of the SBC to interface to and drive those slots. For example, an SBC with the latest i7 processor could interface with a backplane providing up to 19 ISA slots to drive legacy I/O cards.

Midplane
Some backplanes are constructed with slots for connecting to devices on both sides, and are referred to as midplanes. This ability to plug cards into either side of a midplane is often useful in larger systems made up primarily of modules attached to the midplane.

Midplanes are often used in computers, mostly in blade servers, where server blades reside on one side and the peripheral (power, networking, and other I/O) and service modules reside on the other. Midplanes are also popular in networking and telecommunications equipment where one side of the chassis accepts system processing cards and the other side of the chassis accepts network interface cards.

Orthogonal midplanes connect vertical cards on one side to horizontal boards on the other side. One common orthogonal midplane connects many vertical telephone line cards on one side, each one connected to copper telephone wires, to a horizontal communications card on the other side.

A "virtual midplane" is an imaginary plane between vertical cards on one side that directly connect to horizontal boards on the other side; the card-slot aligners of the card cage and self-aligning connectors on the cards hold the cards in position.

Some people use the term "midplane" to describe a board that sits between and connects a hard drive hot-swap backplane and redundant power supplies.

Backplanes in storage
Servers commonly have a backplane to attach hot swappable hard disk drives and solid state drives; backplane pins pass directly into hard drive sockets without cables. They may have single connector to connect one disk array controller or multiple connectors that can be connected to one or more controllers in arbitrary way. Backplanes are commonly found in disk enclosures, disk arrays, and servers.

Backplanes for SAS and SATA HDDs most commonly use the SGPIO protocol as means of communication between the host adapter and the backplane. Alternatively SCSI Enclosure Services can be used. With Parallel SCSI subsystems, SAF-TE is used.

PICMG

A single-board computer meeting the PICMG 1.3 specification and compatible with a PICMG 1.3 backplane is referred to as a System Host Board.

In the Intel Single-Board Computer world, PICMG provides standards for the backplane interface: PICMG 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 provide ISA and PCI support, with 1.2 adding PCIX support. PICMG 1.3 provides PCI-Express support.

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Baldric

A baldric (also baldrick, bawdrick, bauldrick as well as other rare or obsolete variations) is a belt worn over one shoulder that is typically used to carry a weapon (usually a sword) or other implement such as a bugle or drum. The word may also refer to any belt in general, but this usage is poetic or archaic. In modern contexts, military drum majors usually wear a baldric.

Usage
Baldrics have been used since ancient times, usually as part of military dress. The design offers more support for weight than a standard waist belt, without restricting movement of the arms, and while allowing easy access to the object carried. Alternatively, and especially in modern times, the baldric may fill a ceremonial role rather than a practical one. Most Roman tombstones in the third century had depictions of white baldrics.

Design
One end of the baldric was broad and finished in a straight edge, while the other was tapered to a narrow strip. The narrow end was brought through a scabbard runner, it was probably wrapped around the scabbard twice. Circular metal discs called Phalera were attached to the broad end. Four leather baldrics were found in Vimose and Thorsbjerg. One of these measured 118 long and 8 cm wide.

Roman balteus
During ancient Roman times the balteus (plural baltei) was a type of baldric commonly used to suspend a sword. It was a belt generally worn over the shoulder, passing obliquely down to the side, typically made of leather, often ornamented with precious stones, metals or both. There was also a similar belt worn by the Romans, particularly by soldiers, called a cintus (pl. cinti) that fastened around the waist. The word accintus meaning a soldier (literally, "girt" as for battle) attests to this differing usage.

Today
Many non-military or paramilitary organisations include baldrics as part of ceremonial dress. The Knights of Columbus 4th Degree Colour Corps uses a baldric as part of their uniform; it supports a ceremonial sword. The University of Illinois Marching Illini wore two baldrics as a part of their uniform until 2009, with one over each shoulder. They crossed in the front and back and were buttoned onto the jacket beneath a cape and epaulets. Today, the current Marching Illini wear one baldric with two sides, ILLINI on one side and the traditional orange and white baldric from the previous uniform on the other.

A crossed pair of baldrics is often worn as part of the uniform of Morris dancers; different coloured baldrics help to distinguish different sides.

In literature and culture
Baldrics appear in the classical literary canon, and later in fantasy and science fiction genres.
 * The decorated baldric of Pallas plays a key part in the Aeneid, leading Aeneas to kill Turnus. (1st century BC)
 * In Sir Gawain and the Green Knight Gawain returns from his battle with the Green Knight wearing the green girdle "obliquely, like a baldric, bound at his side,/ below his left shoulder, laced in a knot, in betokening the blame he had borne for his fault." (14th century)
 * The yeoman in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales is described as wearing a "baldrick of bright green." (14th century)
 * Benedick, from William Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing, says "But that I will have a recheat winded in my forehead or hang my bugle in an invisible baldric all women shall pardon me." (15th century)
 * Britomart, in Edmund Spenser's Faerie Queene, clothes herself in a borrowed armour "with brave bauldrick garnished" before embarking on her quest (Book III, canto iii,). (16th century)
 * A baldric features prominently in Chapter 4 of Alexandre Dumas' The Three Musketeers. (19th century)
 * Walter Scott in Ivanhoe published in 1819 describes a Yeoman "with a baldric and a badge of silver". (19th century)
 * In The Fellowship of the Ring, Boromir is described: "On a baldric he wore a great horn tipped with silver that now was laid upon his knees." (20th century)
 * A baldrick is also mentioned in the epic poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson; The Lady of Shalott; in the tenth stanza: 'And from his blazon'd baldric slung, A mighty silver bugle hung'. (19th century, from 13th century)
 * Some species and factions such as Klingons wear baldrics in Star Trek, such as Kor, Koloth, Kang or Worf although sometimes they are referred to as a sash. The character Worf does so in almost every one of his appearances through two series and four films.  In The Next Generation episode "Conundrum", Worf, due to amnesia, mistakenly believes that the baldric indicates his rank or authority, so he briefly assumes command of the Enterprise. (20th century)
 * Baldrick is a character played by Tony Robinson in the BBC comedy series Blackadder . (20th century)
 * Pirates of the Caribbean features baldrics worn by many characters including Jack Sparrow, Elizabeth Swann, Will Turner, Hector Barbossa, Davy Jones, Blackbeard, and Angelica.
 * Doctor Who features Silurian warrior Vastra and human maid Jenny Flint use baldrics to carry katana.

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Talk:Byzantium

please fix
Constantinople fell to the Turkish Ottoman Empire in 1453. The name of the city was changed to Istanbul in 1930 following the establishment of modern Turkey.

This is a wrong statement. How is it that the city of Constantinople stayed until 1930? What was it called till 1930 if it fell in 1453? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.17.206 (talk) 15:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Please fix this raised issue of when the name Istanbul was first used (obviously earlier than 1930). Thanks in advance for your prompt consideration. (Who fixes these wrong statements?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omerm (talk • contribs) 12:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

old talk
Well, actually maybe it did take an oracle. Byzantium was an ooooold colony, and had never been of any particular importance. It took bureaucracy to populate it and imperial commands to make aristocrats live there! --MichaelTinkler

Wikipedia and Byzantium
This is a perfectly reasonable 200 word entry and maybe all I should expect from Wikipedia. But Jeez -- the Empire lasted 1100 years! Is it unreasonable to expect a little more depth from this medium??

Er...did you look at the article on the Byzantine Empire? This article is just about the city of Istanbul during the period when it was called Byzantium. At any rate, yes, it is unreasonable to expect that any given Wikipedia article will be particularly good. Those of us who work on wikipedia are working hard to improve it, but it takes a lot of work, and none of us are paid to do this. So while there are some articles that are great, there are others that are quite mediocre. If you think you can make this article better, of course, you should feel free to contribute - we'd love to have the help. john k 16:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks so much John K. Your work and other researchers is truly appreciated. I use Wikipedia everyday to help me get through school, especially my Civilizations class. I had no idea until I read this excerpt you typed that you do not get paid for this. I truly appreciate you, you have been a world of help to me. Thank you so much, Girl in Jersey...Monique 3:51, Nov. 30, 2005

Muslim should be capitalized.
the word Muslim should be capitalized. -- 70.120.221.138 (Talk |Contributions) (previous user forgot to sign so I signed for him. -- SusanLarson (User Talk, New talk, Contribs) 03:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

emperors of the past and the present
Don't you think this should be merged with Constantinople?
 * Not really, becasue Byzantine was a notable Greek city well before becoming part of the Roman Empire, and later capitol of it. The two are best left seperate, with some info in both.  12.220.94.199 19:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The Flag of Byzantium
There seems to be an inconsistency with this one- here the flag is sia dto have incorpoated the star in 330 AD (or thereabouts) and then was adopted by the Ottoman Empire. In the article on the Flag of the Ottoman Empire the star wasn't introduced until the 1844. Anyone who knows which is right should probably address this!{unsigned}

I think worse that this is the very story. It is my understanding that the crescent was a Muslim symbol long before the Turks conquered Constantinople. In fact, I have often heard a story wherein upon the conqering of Constantinople the cross atop the Hagia Sophia was replaced with a crescent (as can still be seen) as part of its conversion from a church to a mosque. Unless I see opposition, I am going to edit the section. Israelite9191 08:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I checked wıth an Orthodox Bıshop and he saıd the entıre entry ıs a fraud. He saıd the flag ıs dıstınctly a hıstorıcal Turkısh Flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.103.80.160 (talk) 04:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, "attributate" isn't a word! -gh

Name trivia
The following was added to Constantinople by an anon user - I moved it here as it seemed like trivia in that article and is more appropriate in this article. I moved it to this talk page as I'm not sure it is accurate, someone else may want to incorporate it into the article who knows more about it. -- Stbalbach 16:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

 * There are also two traditions on the name Byzantium. The first one speaks of the city built between two "byzia" (literally meaning boobs) i.e. "wealty regions" Europe and Asia and it was called Byzantium because it was in the middle of two continents. The second one speaks of a Delphi omen saying to Vyzas "built your city close to the city of the blind". Vyzas searched for the "city of the blind", but there was no such city. When he saw the place where Byzantium was to be built he liked so much, that when he saw a city built in Asia accross the Byzantium location (Scoutari or Chrysoupoli) he said to the colonists that they should built their city there cause the "city of the blind" was in Asia already built by "blind" people unable to see the beauty of Byzantium's location.

Merging
The reason is actually obvious, if you check the Istanbul article, there are sections about Constantinople and Byzantium. The Constantinople and Byzantium articles would fit there quite well. Furthermore, these articles contains material common to Byzantine Empire (even Roman Empire). By merging the articles we would have a chance to avoid to represent the same staff in different places. E104421 17:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Since the character of the city has changed so dramatically over time, I think it would be better to keep individual pages for Byzantium, Constantinople, and Istanbul. Tom Harrison Talk 20:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

 * These articles should not be merged. For one, the article would be too long and would need to be split again on size grounds. For another, when a reader searches on "Byzantium" or "Constantinople" they don't expect to read about Istanbul the modern city - these are distinct phases (Pagan, Christian, Muslim) with distinct histories and context. Lastly, E104421's concern about duplication is actually a feature of Wikipedia. We have Main article tags that direct readers to the main article, with a short summary paragraph. This is commonly done throughout Wikipedia and works well - in best practice the short summary paragraph would be a cut-paste of the main articles Lead section. This is discussed in the Manual of Style. -- Stbalbach 13:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, then, i'm removing the tag. E104421 10:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You only want to merge the articles for your personal reasons; let's say fewer articles indicating the Greek history of Istanbul going back to antiquity. Even if such a ridiculous POV-push did take place, it wouldn't last. The article Constantinople has had enough POV-pushing by Turkish editors already, such as the official usage of the term Constantinople only until 1453 (instead, say, 1930). So let's just leave it at that. Miskin 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey, i already explained my reasons above, do not mix/compare other's edits with mine. I'm only responsible with my own edits. Be civil at first. E104421 15:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Herodotus
According to Herodotus 4.144, it was Megabazus who made the comment that the people of Chalcedon were blind, upon a visit to Byzantion...?

Emblem
Byzantium was the first state to make the crescent moon and star its state symbol and emblem. The day Byzantium fell, those were the flags the turks saw flying above the city before they went inside. There are some Turkic nationals trying to lesser this by attempting to find as many cultures as possible who used any combination of moon/moons - crescent moon/moons ect and 1 -12 stars with Gods on top ect. By doing this they hope to leave open the theory that maybe a turk saw this emblem in some other land on their travels before Byzantium and that is why it is in their flag. IE to negate the Greek origins. Fair enough. But under the British flag article or the french flag article, there is no long-winded explanation on everyone or anyone ever to use lines in a flag or the color blue. That is because it is irrelevant. If another culture ever used the crescent moon and star together as a symbol of state at anytime, we must add it. It must be known. However Byzantium was the only one to use that exact and striking combination. There is no need other than turkish nationalism to list the millions of cultures who may or may not have had stars or moons in a carving on some wall at one time or another. Reaper7 (talk) 01:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone license and use this in the article?

 * coinTHRACE, Byzantion. Autonomous issues. 2nd century AD,Star and Crescent.Megistias (talk) 21:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC

i found this an ancient coin of byzantiun with the crescent and the star i think is useful for the page http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6793/nomi.jpg

Flag references
I've found some sources which indicate that the flag of Byzantium was a crescent: --Hut 8.5 21:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've referenced the first part of the section which says that the crescent and star were the symbol of the ancient Greek pagan city of Byzantium (before it became Constantinople). The claims about the emblem during the Christian era now need sourcing. --Folantin (talk) 09:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I can't say I'm familiar with its use, later on, but are you good folks familiar with the legend(?) that Constantinople was taken when the waning moon and Venus were clearly visible -the Turkish flag symbolism representing the conquest-? Is there any credence to it? (this question might actually be off-topic here and more on-topic at Flag of Turkey but since there seems to be some knowledge of the crescent moon - star symbolism here, I thought I'd ask) 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Byzantium in poetry
I would start off with William Butler Yeats, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.104.193 (talk) 23:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Byzantium & the Athenian Empire
Shouldn't there be some mention of Byzantium's inclusion in the Athenian Empire? It was rather important to its success... Stevenmitchell (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

500+ Year Gap to be Filled
More should be entered between the attack of Phillip of Macedon and sacking by Septimius Severus, at least mention the date of conquest of the city by Rome and to what province it belonged to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joellm47 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

What is this doing in the History section?
The following was a lone paragraph in the middle of the History section:

"Byzantium is also a word that is used by a submissive to her Master when thoughts of protoplasm are released through the cemicial release given to the submissive when the balance of ones willingness is given to her teacher."

I don't know what this is about. There is no reference to this anywhere else in the article. There are no links. There are no citations. It sounds erroneous, perhaps made up.

I have removed it. If there is good reason to keep it in, someone should provide a citation, and put it somewhere else in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.190.254 (talk) 20:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Byzantion?
In the history section Byzantium is referred as Byzantion more than once and with no explaination as to why. If this is a misspelling I think it should be fixed. If it is intentional I think it would be interesting to know why it was called that and then changed into Byzantium.

Edd

 * Did you read the lede? Byzantium is the latinized form of Greek Byzantion. Both names are the same, in different languages. Constantine  ✍  07:45, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Persia, Athens, Sparta - the Temples
The Persian Empire conquered Byzantium (Byzantion). Athens and Sparta also ruled Byzantium. (No mention of them in this article!)
 * In Ancient Byzantium, there were temples of Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, Artemis, Aphrodite, Demeter, Athena, Ge, Hera, Hades, Dionysos and Persophone... source: "Topkapı Sarayı ve çevresinin Bizans Devri Arkeolojisi"( by Hülya Tezcan) = The Archaeology of Topkapı Palace and the Ancient Byzantium Böri (talk) 08:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The Temple of Zeus (in Byzantium) turned into "The Church of Saint Menas". The Temple of Helios (Apollon?) became a courtyard surrounded by houses, The Temple of Artemis became a gaming room, and The Temple of Aphrodite became a carriage-house for the Praetorian Prefect. / The works of Raymond Janin are important for Ancient Byzantium. Böri (talk) 10:52, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The Temple of Hera was destroyed by the Persian army (at the time of Dareios I)... The Temple of Hades was destroyed by Philip II (the father of Alexander the Great)Böri (talk) 12:07, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Ambiguation
The entry badly needs better disambiguation. Byzantium is the obvious and best known natural title of, and obvious natural search term most people would use when looking for the content currently placed under Byzantine Empire. It is quite disconcerting to arrive at this page instead, particularly as there is no disambiguating notice at the top of the page, just a link to the disambiguation page. Ideally, Byzantine Empire would appear here under its most-used, most obvious title and the place (as discussed on this page) appear under something like Byzanyium (place). But if that is thought awkward, then there should certainly be a prominent notice placed at the top of the page, linking obviously and directly to the desired content. Notice that a Google search for "Byzantium" leads directly here, not to Byzantine Empire, which is what (probably) 98% of visitors would be looking for. Tannin (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Byzantium paternal writing
The Slavonic lettering article links to this page under the text "Byzantium paternal writing" (see the "Cyrillic script – uncial (11th century)" section). Nothing in this page currently explains what Byzantium paternal writing might be. I can't find anything about it online except for one page that duplicates much of the text from the Slavonic lettering page (and I can't begin to guess which was borrowing from the other), which doesn't help.

If anyone has an explanation to offer, please add it to the page. Thanks. 71.197.166.72 (talk) 09:47, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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Other places with the same name?
Hello,

on the map in ths article there is, on the Western Indian coast, a pointer named "Bizantion" - does anyone know anything about why a place in India is described with this Greek / Grecized name? Are there other places with this name or a derivative thereof? -- marilyn.hanson (talk) 15:21, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Confusing clause in the opening.
"The Greek term Byzantium (or Byzantion) continued to be used as a name of Constantinople during the Byzantine Empire, even though it only referred to the empire's capital."

I don't understand the clause at the end. Constantinople is a city. Calling Constantinople Byzantion "even though it only referred to the empire's capital" doesn't make any sense; of course the name of the city refers only to the city. Is this maybe trying to say, "The Byzantine Empire was used as a name for the empire a century after it fell, even though Byzantion only ever referred to the empire's capital."? Because that's true. But that doesn't make sense either for the original sentence, because "during the Byzantine Empire" nopony called it the Byzantine Empire. TricksterWolf (talk) 20:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the troublesome and redundant clause and made some other changes. GPinkerton (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Where is it?
It's probably obvious to anyone interested in the subject matter where it is, but you *really* have to search, very carefully in this article to understand that this is in Turkey. Yes, there's a map in the info box, but that picture isn't informative to a person not-well versed in geography, I suspect.139.138.6.121 (talk) 09:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Horns of amun?
You dont mean the head band? 2601:402:C300:E70:5998:8B30:78A2:3BFB (talk) 18:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 27 January 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus Sceptre (talk) 02:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

– The city is not the primary topic of "Byzantium". A majority of results on Google Books and Google Scholar searches for "Byzantium" use the name to refer to the Byzantine Empire as a whole. The Oxford Very Short Introduction on Byzantium is about the empire. There are also other topics listed at Byzantium (disambiguation), although they are much less historically significant than the empire. I would prefer making the dab page primary, but I'm not against a primary redirect to the empire. (t · c)  buidhe  06:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Byzantium → Byzantium (city)
 * Byzantium (disambiguation) → Byzantium
 * Support This is a good distinction and one that will help people who are not familiar with Byzantine history (like myself) understand the difference better. Photonsoup (talk) 22:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the renaming to Byzantion. The term Byzantion is more commonly used for the ancient Greek city than Byzantium which refers mostly to the Byzantine Empire. Othon I (talk) 12:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be confused. That renaming is not being proposed here. If you want to propose it, you need to create a separate move request. (But I predict it won't go far on an English language site.) Eleuther (talk) 11:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Othon I is not confused. Suggesting an alternative title during an RM is perfectly valid and it's in fact quite common for such alternative proposals to be successful. Lennart97 (talk) 09:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is dicing things too finely. It's like saying Rome should become a DAB page, which contemporary Romans would probably object to. Yes, Rome is a common eponym for the Roman Empire, like Byzantium is for the Byzantine Empire, or, for that matter, like London is for the British Empire. But none of these examples justifies mangling the articles about the cities themselves. Eleuther (talk) 11:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Rome still exists under the same name, the city of Byzantium does not. (t · c)  buidhe  20:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Eleuther Ale3353 (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Eleuther and Common Name. It may be that some people encounter the term "Byzantium" in articles dealing about the Byzantine empire, but if they come looking here for the article about the empire, I'm sure they will look under "byzantine empire". For those who don't, the existing disambiguation note at the beginning of this article will resolve any doubt. In fact, "Byzantium", being a synecdoche of "Byzantine Empire" (like "Rome" for the Roman Empire or "Washington" for the U.S.A.) is always used as a synonym alongside the main term, not instead of it. Alex2006 (talk) 21:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Eleuther Dimadick (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support renaming to Byzantion per Othon I. The city in question is much more famous under its later names, and the corresponding articles are much longer. In other words, this is nothing like the case of Rome. Srnec (talk) 18:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear common name and primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Support either Byzantion or Byzantium (city). If anything is primary for Byzantium it's probably the Byzantine Empire, but a disambiguation page at the base title will do just fine. I don't understand why there are three "per Eleuther" oppose votes without any additional rationale, when Eleuther's Rome analogy clearly fails. Lennart97 (talk) 09:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Byzantion clearly fails WP:COMMONNAME. It most certainly is not the city's common name. And the Byzantine Empire is usually referred to as such. Yes, "Byzantium" is sometimes used as shorthand for the empire, but most often it refers to the city. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. The analogy to Rome is flawed since there's only one article (Rome) about both the ancient and the modern city (which thus has a far stronger claim to primary-topic status), while here we have a weaker claim involving only the ancient city. A much more comparable case is Akkad, a disambiguation page listing both the ancient city and the ancient empire, both of which are frequently referred to by that term alone. The reason applies equally well to this case: since searching "Byzantium" in Google Books and Google Scholar yields mostly results about things other than the city, it clearly isn't the primary topic. I don't feel strongly about Byzantium (city) vs. Byzantion, although the latter may be preferable simply on natural disambiguation grounds. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

What’s up with Serbia on the map
The north has an extra like running through it 213.114.108.180 (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

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